[12:01] <ogra> sebest, debian is a very wide field, which one are you talking about (sarge,sid, woody )?
[12:01] <sebest> all of them
[12:02] <sebest> except maybe experimental
[12:02] <ogra> so its a lag of debian then...
[12:02] <sebest> but as i don't use debian, should i use the ubuntuX in the name?
[12:03] <tseng> 0ubuntu1
[12:03] <tseng> if there is no debian version
[12:03] <sebest> tseng oki
[12:03] <tseng> the first part is the debian revision
[12:04] <tseng> so 3.2.1-1ubuntu1 if its in debian as 3.2.1-1 and you make changes
[12:04] <tseng> say debian has 3.2.0
[12:04] <tseng> and you update it to .1
[12:04] <tseng> its not 3.2.1-0ubuntu1
[12:04] <tseng> make ense?
[12:04] <tseng> sense
[12:05] <sebest> yes i does, but i was using 0.6.4-0ethium1, should i name it 0.6.4-1ubuntu1 ?
[12:05] <tseng> no
[12:05] <sebest> for upgrading to works?
[12:05] <tseng> we only respect versioning from debian
[12:05] <tseng> not random 3rd parties
[12:06] <sebest> oki, but what should i do for smooth upgrade?
[12:06] <Amaranth> if it's not in debian yet it's -0 right?
[12:06] <ogra> the first debian version will be 0.6.4-1, so it will supersede your pakage in ubuntu if you name it 0ubuntu1
[12:06] <looksaus> tseng, is there a motu who's interested in music notation?
[12:07] <looksaus> it would be great to have lilypond packages
[12:07] <tseng> looksaus: not that I know of
[12:07] <ajmitch> interested, but haven't done much with it
[12:07] <looksaus> (I mean Lilypond 2.6 packages)
[12:07] <tseng> looksaus: you are welcome to get involved
[12:07] <ajmitch> you'd want to work with the debian maintainer for that
[12:08] <looksaus> ajmitch, of course, if I were willing to invest a lot of time in packaging skill building
[12:08] <ajmitch> great, it's thomas bushnell
[12:08] <sebest> ogra , but what will happen when i apt-get upgrade? if the installed one is 0.6.4-0ethium1 ?
[12:08] <ogra> looksaus, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUAudio
[12:08] <sebest> and i name the new 0.6.4-0ubuntu1 ?
[12:09] <looksaus> is he an ubuntu guy?
[12:09] <ajmitch> 0ubuntu1 is higher
[12:09] <sebest> ajmitch: oki thanx
[12:09] <ajmitch> looksaus: no, a hurd guy :)
[12:10] <looksaus> I thought so, but he could have been on both, right ;)
[12:10] <ajmitch> sure
[12:10] <looksaus> ogra, is it acceptable for me to put something in there?
[12:11] <ajmitch> looksaus: sure it is
[12:11] <ogra> looksaus, you probably should contact the guys... they dont have a MOTU to lead yet...
[12:12] <ajmitch> get in touch with them first
[12:12] <ogra> so this team isnt right yet.... a MOTU team needs a MOTU
[12:12] <ogra> else you have no uploader
[12:12] <looksaus> err... sorry... you mean I should contact the audio guys first?
[12:12] <looksaus> the have them contact you?
[12:13] <looksaus> then have them contact you?
[12:16] <ogra> looksaus, no, have them find a MOTU so their team can actually work
[12:17] <ogra> looksaus, a MOTU team without a MOTU is pretty useless... you cant upload changes....
[12:17] <looksaus> ogra, I was supposing that you were the MOTU people...
[12:17] <ogra> looksaus, yes, but i'm not in the audio team
[12:17] <looksaus> ok
[12:18] <tseng> i need to leave my computer before i get angry
[12:18] <sebest> ogra, what is the next step when i have implemented the changes asked by daniel?
[12:18] <ogra> looksaus, since these guys seem to have interest in audio stuff, the should either become MOTU or find one who is interested in that...
[12:18] <ogra> tseng, calm down...
[12:18] <tseng> im leaving :)
[12:18] <ajmitch> bye tseng :)
[12:18] <ogra> tseng, i'm discussing since 1h with him
[12:18] <ogra> tseng, ciao, relax
[12:19] <tseng> ogra: you are a champion
[12:19] <tseng> see you in 20 or so
[12:19] <ajmitch> irssi is really screwy today - cutting off first character of each line after the nick :)
[12:20] <sebest> what happened with tseng??
[12:20] <ogra> sebest, annoying discussion on -devel...
[12:22] <\sh> uh again a long text
[12:27] <Amaranth> ajmitch: that sucks
[12:27] <Amaranth> bass
[12:27] <Amaranth> hehe
[12:29] <ajmitch> 0:27 < Amaranth> jmitch: that sucks
[12:29] <ajmitch> 10:27 < maranth> ass
[12:29] <ajmitch> yeah, it does :)
[12:29] <Amaranth> i did that on purpose :D
[12:30] <ajmitch> but I'm using putty on windows to connect to screen at home..
[12:30] <ajmitch> which worked fine yesterday
[12:36] <ajmitch> ok, ssh+cygwin works
[12:42] <ogra> ajmitch, even without ssh-krb5 ? *g*
[12:43] <ajmitch> ogra: be nice :)
[12:43] <ogra> heh, i am....
[12:43] <ogra> i'm still bound to the CoC :)
[12:49] <sebest> bye all, and thanx for the advices!
[12:52] <ajmitch> bye sebest
[12:56] <\sh> going to bed ...
[12:57] <doko>  /msg ogra wer hat Dir den Schwanz festgebunden? ;-)
[01:22] <tseng> hi
[01:22] <ajmitch> wb tseng
[01:23] <tseng> thanks
[03:00] <Nafallo> yay!
[03:00] <Nafallo> my passwords are changed :-P
[03:00] <Nafallo> _all_ of them :-)
[03:01] <Nafallo> I'm going to bed. see you all later.
[03:26] <bddebian> Bah, where is everyone?
[03:28] <ajmitch> I was at lunch :P
[03:29] <bddebian> Heya homey
[03:30] <ajmitch> making friends in #d-d again, I see?
[03:30] <bddebian> hehe
[03:30] <bddebian> Well I AM installing Breezy at the moment..
[03:31] <ajmitch> great
[03:31] <ajmitch> dist-upgrade from hoary?
[03:31] <bddebian> Ayte
[03:31] <bddebian> Uhm, aye even
[03:31] <tseng> i need to wipe this clean
[03:31] <tseng> loaded with crap
[03:32] <bddebian> colony 2?
[03:32] <tseng> colony 2.
[03:32] <tseng> a group of badgers are a colony
[03:33] <bddebian> Ah
[03:33] <tseng> milestone builds are called colony
[03:33] <tseng> 1, 2, etc
[03:33] <ajmitch> yep
[03:34] <bddebian> Shix, I keep getting md5 errors on oppenoffice.org2
[03:35] <tseng> us mirror?
[03:36] <ajmitch> I think I need to learn tla-buildpackage
[03:37] <tseng> <3 svn-buildpackage
[03:37] <ajmitch> baz is the way of the future
[03:37] <tseng> seen The Aviator?
[03:37] <ajmitch> yep
[03:38] <ajmitch> wait, I don't think I did
[03:38] <tseng> its about howard hughes
[03:38] <ajmitch> right
[03:38] <tseng> his torrets/panic attacks were he said "the way of the future" like 50 times
[03:38] <squinn> it's the way of the future..way of the future..way of the futuer
[03:38] <tseng> until they sedated him
[03:38] <tseng> ya
[03:39] <squinn> yeah, that was the syphillis coming to him
[03:39] <squinn> syphilis + ocd  = deadly combo
[03:39] <bddebian> tseng: Yes
[03:39] <tseng> bddebian: that mirror is permafucked
[03:40] <tseng> use another for now
[03:40] <bddebian> Nice.. :-(
[03:40] <squinn> any work I need I can debootstrap
[03:40] <ajmitch> squinn: do you find breezy a little broken?
[03:40] <bddebian> Anu suggestions on a mirror?
[03:40] <bddebian> s/Anu/Any
[03:41] <squinn> ajmitch, a little. i'm used to unstable systems but when i can't add an email account..that crosses the lien
[03:42] <bddebian> Anyone... Anyone... Beuhler
[03:46] <bddebian> ajmitch: Is the an .au mirror?
[03:46] <tseng> good night
[03:46] <ajmitch> bddebian: dunno
[03:47] <ajmitch> night tseng
[03:47] <bddebian> gnight tseng
[03:48] <bddebian> Is there a list of mirrors somewhere?
[03:48] <ajmitch> probably :)
[03:49] <bddebian> sheesh
[04:02] <bddebian> No one knows another mirror??  The Ubuntu sites and Google aren't helping much.. :-(
[04:06] <ajmitch> bddebian: try uk.archive.ubuntu.com then
[04:06] <ajmitch> or just archive.ubuntu.com
[04:06] <ajmitch> (same ip addresses)
[04:07] <bddebian> thx
[04:07] <ajmitch> hmm
[04:07] <ajmitch> that may not work, us.a.u.c points to the same place
[04:07] <bddebian> bah :-)
[04:17] <bddebian> Ahh, now nautilus dies
[04:19] <ajmitch> excellent
[04:19] <ajmitch> how is it dying?
[04:19] <bddebian> dpkg returned error 1 blah blah
[04:19] <bddebian> I'm doing a -f install now
[04:20] <squinn> hey, um..question for you
[04:20] <ajmitch> squinn: yes?
[04:21] <squinn> wait maybe nvm
[04:21] <squinn> yeah, nvm
[04:21] <bddebian> Hmm, seemed to have worked.
[04:23] <squinn> Okay.
[04:24] <squinn> What do I do if my dpkg is damaged beyond belief
[04:24] <squinn> I kind of screwed it up.
[04:24] <ajmitch> how badly?
[04:24] <squinn> dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success
[04:24] <squinn> dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success
[04:24] <squinn> I can't get anything to install badly
[04:24] <bddebian> Cool, now X won't start and I can't use my keyboard.  Sweet
[04:25] <ajmitch> squinn: ah, so configuration stuff, not 'dpkg has a totally broken status db'
[04:25] <squinn> yep
[04:25] <ajmitch> bddebian: breezy Works For Me(tm) :)
[04:26] <bddebian> heh
[04:26] <squinn> well the file i messed up i got from someone on main support chan
[04:26] <ajmitch> squinn: look in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg
[04:26] <squinn> ok
[04:26] <ajmitch> did you change that file?
[04:26] <squinn> no
[04:26] <ajmitch> what does that file have, and what version of dpkg do you have installed (latest from breezy?)
[04:27] <squinn> commented stuff
[04:27] <squinn> and
[04:27] <squinn> where log goes
[04:27] <squinn> and file i edited was  /var/lib/dpkg/info/dpkg.prerm
[04:27] <ajmitch> comment out the log option
[04:27] <ajmitch> it was something recently edited, and if you haven't got a matching dpkg, it might complain like it is
[04:28] <squinn> as i wanted to dpkg to downgrade and it seemed to have some problems with /usr/bin/md5sum
[04:28] <ajmitch> yeah, downgrading dpkg isn't going to be fun
[04:28] <squinn> yes
[04:28] <ajmitch> it'll most likely cause a lot of pain trying to downgrade substantial amounts
[04:29] <squinn> well main concern is gettin dpkg at least usable
[04:29] <ajmitch> so comment out that option
[04:29] <squinn> most other files dgraded quietly
[04:29] <squinn> doen
[04:29] <squinn> done
[04:29] <ajmitch> dpkg should be usable now
[04:31] <chillywilly> hey
[04:31] <ajmitch> hi chillywilly
[04:31] <squinn> ajmitch, you're a god
[04:31] <bddebian> Networking won't start in recovery mode?
[04:31] <bddebian> Heya chillywilly
[04:32] <ajmitch> squinn: nah
[04:32] <squinn> and/or a developer
[04:32] <squinn> and/or a MOTU
[04:34] <ajmitch> just a motu
[04:34] <bddebian> just a MOFO
[04:35] <ajmitch> bddebian, as usual..
[04:37] <bddebian> WTF is up with networking in Ubuntu?
[04:38] <ajmitch> bddebian: nothing wrong that I know of
[04:38] <bddebian> When I first installed I changed /etc/network/interfaces and it didn't do shit??
[04:40] <ajmitch> because you didn't do it right??
[04:40] <bddebian> d000d
[04:40] <ajmitch> seriously, your 'bug report' is so vague as to be rather unhelpful :)
[04:41] <bddebian> Oh, this is supposed to be a bug report?
[04:41] <ajmitch> no, but saying 'it doesn't do shit' won't get much help
[04:42] <bddebian> I set my interfaces file up the way I normally do in Debian and it was still using DHCP.  I couldn't set a static IP until I used the GUI interface
[04:42] <ajmitch> depends if you took the interface down & put it up again
[04:42] <ajmitch> since ubuntu uses the same networking packages as debian
[04:43] <bddebian> ajmitch: I tried.  init.d/networking restart filed  .. stop failed.. etc
[04:43] <ajmitch> and start did what?
[04:44] <bddebian> failed
[04:44] <ajmitch> and the logs say?
[04:44] <bddebian> Oh yeah, logs
[04:46] <bddebian> NM
[05:43] <martinjh99> Morning all - Do you have any beginners documentation on creating packages?  I would like to create packages of KDE themes for my own personal repo...
[05:44] <schweeb> martinjh99: the debian new maintainer's guide
[05:45] <schweeb> martinjh99: it's at debian.org somewhere
[05:45] <schweeb> or check https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:45] <schweeb> there is some documentation on there
[05:45] <schweeb> under the MOTU section I believe
[05:45] <schweeb> there's a pbuilder howto and such
[05:46] <martinjh99> I will have another look at the Debian maintainers guide - It went a bit over my head to start of with ;) Will have a look at the Ubuntu wiki as well!
[05:47] <schweeb> sorry I can't help you with links, but you can find them just as easily as I can
[05:47] <martinjh99> No worries about that!  I can use Google with the best of them!
[08:52] <\sh> morning
[08:56] <Lathiat> hm i think im heading towards the dark side
[08:56] <Lathiat> im becoming fond of kde
[08:56] <jsgotangco> hmm that's not so dark
[08:56] <jsgotangco> what im probably using now is much darker
[08:57] <Lathiat> windows?
[08:57] <jsgotangco> nahh
[08:57] <jsgotangco> im using Ion
[08:57] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:57] <Lathiat> ah
[08:57] <Lathiat> haha
[08:57] <Lathiat> can i get kmail to cache all messages?
[08:58] <jsgotangco> hmm who's the kde kingpin here
[08:58] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:58] <jsgotangco> (aside from Riddell)
[08:58] <Lathiat> \sh ?
[08:58] <jsgotangco> ahh yes a krew member *grin*
[09:00] <dholbach> morning
[09:00] <\sh> what?
[09:00] <\sh> hey daniel
[09:00] <dholbach> hey stephan :)
[09:01] <jsgotangco> dholbach, daniel hey
[09:01] <dholbach> jerome! :)
[09:01] <\sh> Lathiat: cache all messages? u mean download them into a temp memory bucket and forget about everything after the app is closed?
[09:01] <\sh> or do u mean only the message list?
[09:02] <\sh> the messagelist is downloaded and also saved in your .kde dir
[09:03] <Lathiat> nah as in, cache the contents of all all messages
[09:03] <Lathiat> so i can view them offline
[09:04] <Lathiat> and online without waiting
[09:06] <\sh> Lathiat: no..only download all the stuff
[09:06] <Lathiat> \sh: and any idea if icanset "thread messages" on allfolders by default?
[09:06] <\sh> Lathiat: w8 i have to check where it is
[09:07] <\sh> Lathiat: configure kmail -> Appearance -> TAB Message List
[09:07] <\sh> In the General Options there is "Threaded Messages list"
[09:08] <Lathiat> ahh
[09:08] <Lathiat> cheers
[09:24] <jsgotangco> dholbach, its been a while since i saw/talked to you, how are you doing lately
[09:25] <dholbach> jsgotangco: i'm very busy with my thesis, an exam i have to write and my move to berlin (in 8-9 weeks it's over :))
[09:26] <jsgotangco> dholbach, you've been busy :)
[09:27] <dholbach> i still am
[09:27] <dholbach> but i'm fine :)
[09:27] <dholbach> how are ou?
[09:27] <jsgotangco> oh i'm doing good, a bit boring lately though
[09:29] <dholbach> the MOTU world should help you get rid of tediousness :)
[09:30] <dholbach> although... we have tedious work as well :)
[09:55] <\sh> hmm..irgendwie schein ich doch in ein fettnaepchen getreten zu haben
[09:55] <dholbach> whats wrong?
[09:55] <\sh> sorry...
[09:55] <\sh> i just wrote an article after I read your remark to michaels article ;)
[09:57] <dholbach> what are you talking about?
[09:58] <\sh> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/43-Additions-to-The-Ubuntu-Community-Model.html
[09:58] <dholbach> what went wrong? i read your blog entry yesterday?
[10:03] <dholbach> everybody who got a NEW package into ubuntu: file an rfp
[10:03] <dholbach> i'll have to do that myself
[10:03] <dholbach> (figure out how that works)
[10:13] <\sh> dholbach: the first guy misunderstood me :)
[10:13] <dholbach> first guy? michael?
[10:13] <\sh> ricardo (the comments on my article)
[10:14] <dholbach> ah
[11:59] <dholbach> brb
[12:14] <tseng> hi dholbach
[12:14] <dholbach> re :)
[12:14] <dholbach> brandon, how are you?
[12:15] <tseng> dholbach: good. are you done school yet?
[12:15] <dholbach> haha :)
[12:15] <dholbach> 8 weeks
[12:15] <tseng> !
[12:15] <dholbach> if i don't have a heart attack before :)
[12:15] <jsgotangco> morning tseng
[12:16] <tseng> gymnasium ist scheishause
[12:16] <tseng> hi jsgotangco
[12:16] <dholbach> hahahaha
[12:16] <dholbach> fachhochschule in this case, but it was a near miss ;)
[12:16] <tseng> fachhoch?
[12:17] <tseng> ist dem "tech" schule?
[12:17] <dholbach> "university of applied sciences"
[12:17] <tseng> indeed.
[12:17] <jsgotangco> is that word an education thing
[12:17] <dholbach> it's a silly word :)
[12:17] <tseng> yeah german has different types of schools
[12:18] <jsgotangco> sounds silly
[12:18] <tseng> starting wiht our highschool
[12:18] <dholbach> haha :)
[12:18] <tseng> i think you graduate when you are about 15 or 16? and can get an unskilled job
[12:18] <tseng> or go onto a specialized school
[12:18] <jsgotangco> schule is school?
[12:18] <tseng> yes
[12:20] <jsgotangco> interesting
[12:20] <jsgotangco> im quite interested in the language
[12:21] <tseng> well its fun, you can just throw random words together into one big long string
[12:21] <tseng> fachhoch is apperantly something about science. so you get fachhochschule :D
[12:21] <dholbach> hochschule would be highschool
[12:21] <Treenaks> fach is a subject, hoch is high
[12:22] <Treenaks> or is fach more like an occupation?
[12:22] <jsgotangco> fachschule?
[12:22] <dholbach> nevermind me - i shouldn't be here anyway :)
[12:22] <jsgotangco> sounds fun
[12:22] <tseng> dholbach: :(
[12:22] <tseng> i would have studied more german if i stayed in school
[12:23] <tseng> i dont have the patience for this
[12:23] <dholbach> Treenaks: it's like a university, but it's a more practical, the groups are smaller - i like it better
[12:23] <Treenaks> dholbach: It's called "Hoger beroepsonderwijs" in Dutch I think :) they call themselves "University" abroad
[12:23] <JanC> "fach" means something like "skill"
[12:24] <Treenaks> JanC: *headdesk* of course
[12:24] <JanC> but not exactly :)
[12:24] <JanC> "vak" in Dutch  :)
[12:24] <dholbach> Treenaks: dutch is so funny :)
[12:24] <dholbach> Treenaks: (you must think the same about german :)
[12:25] <Treenaks> dholbach: yes ;)
[12:25] <dholbach> hehe
[12:25] <JanC> I think "Fachhochschule" would be "industrile hogeschool" in Belgian Dutch
[12:25] <dholbach> ok... i try to find a segfault in my code ... see you later
[12:26] <JanC> or maybe just "hogeschool"
[12:29] <jsgotangco> im going home
[12:30] <jsgotangco> see you guys later
[12:31] <dholbach> bye jerome :)
[03:14] <dholbach> see you later
[05:33] <bddebian> Hello
[05:33] <Nafallo> hi bddebian
[05:33] <bddebian> Hi Nafallo
[05:40] <bddebian> OK, thanks to ajmitch, I have Breezy running.  Someone give me a bug to look at.. :-)
[05:45] <ivoks> :)
[05:46] <\sh> jo
[05:47] <\sh> cheers btw
[05:57] <bddebian> Hello ivoks, \sh
[05:59] <bddebian> So either I have to find my own bug, or you people don't believe me since I haven't done shit yet.. :-)
[06:00] <\sh> ??
[06:00] <ivoks> ?
[06:01] <\sh> ?
[06:01] <ivoks> lots of questions :)
[06:02] <bddebian> Sorry, I'm mainly playing around.  I think I do that too much..
[06:02] <schweeb> bddebian: either go in malone and find an open one, or go through build logs
[06:03] <bddebian> schweeb: I know.  I was hoping someone knew of some more n00b tasks. :-)
[06:03] <schweeb> heh
[06:03] <schweeb> you could work on the wiki or something
[06:04] <\sh> bddebian: 1. wiki 2. malone 3. cxx that was my way
[06:04] <bddebian> Well as I try to look at bugs, I am considering an MOTUn00b page ;-)
[06:04] <\sh> bloody hell, i'm melting
[06:04] <\sh> since I came back from work, me too
[06:05] <\sh> but this is now riddiculus
[06:05] <\sh> i need a new flat
[06:06] <ivoks> hm... nice...
[06:06] <ivoks> kde will do API for wikipedia
[06:06] <schweeb> I love VPNs
[06:06] <\sh> ivoks: sure
[06:07] <\sh> ivoks: we're going on ;)
[06:07] <ivoks> going on? :)
[06:07] <\sh> going on with our life ;) and our desktop ,-)
[06:07] <ivoks> yeah..
[06:08] <\sh> but I think gnome will also do some wikipedia stuff
[06:08] <ivoks> linux is looking good every day even better for desktop
[06:08] <\sh> ivoks: since 4 years now
[06:08] <ivoks> \sh: sure they will
[06:08] <schweeb> hell, I've been using it as a desktop for like 3.5 years
[06:08] <ivoks> someone will do that for windows too :) and osx
[06:08] <\sh> as i wrote in my blog , linux is overdue for the desktop
[06:08] <schweeb> (linux that is, not KDE)
[06:08] <ivoks> schweeb: i'm using it since '98 :)
[06:09] <\sh> schweeb: i'm running linux since 1995 as desktop
[06:09] <schweeb> well, I've been using linux since 97, but not as a full time desktop
[06:11] <ivoks> man, i need to loose weight
[06:11] <ivoks> :)
[06:13] <ivoks> nice, v9fs in linux 2.6.13
[06:15] <ivoks> ubuntu should have certificat system :)
[06:15] <siretart> re
[06:16] <bddebian> wb siretart
[06:17] <Lathiat> v9fs?
[06:18] <ivoks> plan9's filesystem
[06:19] <siretart> and what kind of cert system would we need?
[06:19] <siretart> do you mean a CA?
[06:20] <schweeb> is there anything particularly useful about plan9, or its filesystem?
[06:23] <siretart> does anyone here has experience with mod python?
[06:24] <ivoks> highway is done! finally... only 3 hours to split :)
[06:26] <\sh> siretart: ogra has
[06:26] <ogra> huh ?
[06:26] <\sh> mod_python?
[06:27] <\sh> or python cgi only?
[06:27] <siretart> btw, current status of revu can be seen here: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/
[06:27] <ogra> nope.... i dont abuse apache as application server ..... i have not had a case where a cgi wasnt good enough...
[06:27] <\sh> ogra: but your hwdb?
[06:28] <siretart> well, mod_python isn't really much more than cgi.
[06:28] <ogra> \sh, cgi
[06:28] <ogra> \sh, and no, the slowness isnt caused by the fact that its a cgi :)
[06:35] <shawarma> hi! I need a piece of advise. I'm the package of user-profile, a new GNOME tool to change your passwd and GECOS info. The first version, I packaged had no version, so I just called it version 1.0, and my first package had the full version of 1.0-1. I made a new release called 1.0-2. Now, the author has adopted my versioning, and called his package version 1.0-3... What should I do now?
[06:36] <shawarma> How do I handle an upstream version that has dashes in it?
[06:36] <ivoks> ?
[06:36] <ivoks> who's upstream?
[06:36] <shawarma> A dude called Domenique Tillleuil.
[06:36] <shawarma> Why?
[06:37] <ivoks> shawarma: does he create debian packages as well?
[06:37] <shawarma> No. That's "my job".
[06:38] <shawarma> ivoks: Why?
[06:38] <ivoks> hm... then ask him to version his program in x.y.z format
[06:38] <ivoks> shawarma: url of upstream?
[06:38] <shawarma> ivoks: Right. I'll do that, but now he has actually released a version with this version.
[06:38] <shawarma> http://eros.homelinux.net:4000/~domenique
[06:39] <shawarma> What am I supposed to do if I come across another piece of software with a dash in the version? Just substitute a dot?
[06:39] <ivoks> The new source can be found here Debian packages will have to wait for a while but as soon as i've got them, i'll post them here :)
[06:39] <ivoks> he does debian packages
[06:39] <shawarma> No. I do. :-)
[06:40] <shawarma> I have an "agreement" with him,that he e-mails me whenever he releases a new version, and I package it.
[06:41] <ivoks> ah, ok :)
[06:41] <ivoks> tell him that he has to change versioning
[06:41] <ivoks> and you can apply diff to your package
[06:42] <ivoks> and bump version to 1.0-3ubuntu1
[06:42] <siretart> shawarma: Personally, I'd package it with upstream version 1.0.3, and mention in the changelog, that its actually 1.0-3
[06:42] <ivoks> or that...
[06:43] <shawarma> I think that's what I'll do, actually.
[06:43] <shawarma> Thanks for the advice.
[06:44] <ogra> shawarma, btw, your em-applet doesnt work :(
[06:46] <ogra> shawarma, do you know if your upstream (about-me) is aware of this ? http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/DotUbuntuRegistrationClient
[06:48] <Lathiat> hm, is anyone working on that?
[06:48] <Lathiat> (dotubuntu)
[06:49] <ivoks> ok, we need meta key for mouse :(
[06:49] <ivoks> presing left and right mouse key is stoopid
[06:50] <\sh> strike
[06:50] <ivoks> win+left = middle key
[06:50] <\sh> i have my progress bar in my listviewitem
[06:50] <\sh> now can I drink another beer
[06:50] <Lathiat> no, you may not
[06:50] <ivoks> yay! beer
[06:51] <\sh> at least  I found kynaptic the first time useful :)
[06:51] <Lathiat> kynaptic seems fairly useless to me
[06:51] <Lathiat> doesnt even have search :\
[06:52] <Lathiat> damn these kde people, they have me tempted to switch
[06:52] <ivoks> :)
[06:52] <\sh> Lathiat: but it has one widget built in what i needed
[06:52] <ivoks> \sh is guilty! :)
[06:52] <Lathiat> heh
[06:52] <\sh> at least the idea how to do it
[07:10] <koke> hi MOTUs!
[07:10] <\sh> hoi koke
[07:10] <koke> are universe uploads restricted yet?
[07:11] <koke> I've fixed tla-buildpackage
[07:13] <\sh> if you 're motu you can upload..if it's a new package, put it on MOTUToReview  or MOTUNewPackages
[07:15] <ivoks> re
[07:30] <siretart> excellent
[07:39] <ivoks> i hate ubuntu's cupsys
[07:39] <ivoks> :<
[07:39] <Lathiat> IT HATES YOU TOO
[07:39] <ivoks> :)
[07:39] <ivoks> you just can't create user that will be unable to print :)
[07:39] <ivoks> so creating a decent print server is impossible
[07:40] <siretart> how to add code to wiki?
[07:40] <siretart> whats the code tags?
[07:40] <siretart> {{{ ok
[07:41] <mitsuhiko> siretart: I can be wrong but I thing {{{ is for processors
[07:41] <mitsuhiko> arr. think
[07:43] <mitsuhiko> ok. I was wrong {{{#ProcessorName is for Processors
[07:45] <siretart> does anyone want to play guinea pig for revu? ;)
[07:46] <siretart> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[07:50] <siretart> anyone?
[07:50] <Lathiat> so
[07:50] <Lathiat> what it for
[07:50] <Lathiat> motus to upload and then have it sposnored by someone else?
[07:52] <siretart> Lathiat: it is aimed to be a replacement for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTOToReview and MOTONewPackages
[07:52] <Lathiat> ah
[07:52] <siretart> I dont like the wiki for doing reviews. so I wrote revu ;)
[07:52] <Lathiat> so as a submitter, i would submit a package ?
[07:52] <Lathiat> with revu
[07:52] <Lathiat> and then someone woudl review it?
[07:53] <siretart> Lathiat: yes, sponsors will be able to download your package from revu, and upload it to the archive then
[07:53] <Lathiat> ok i can do that
[07:53] <siretart> great :)
[07:54] <siretart> pass me your gnupg id then, (as instructed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU)
[07:54] <Lathiat> hm
[08:00] <Lathiat> sorry, gimme abit :)
[08:02] <siretart> n/p. I'm afk for lunch
[08:03] <DanielN> ogra, ping
[08:03] <ogra> DanielN pong
[08:04] <DanielN> what's the state of libsigcx-gtk-xx ?
[08:04] <DanielN> would be nice if they're going uploaded, cause of libyehia :)
[08:04] <ogra> DanielN ask ajmitch, its his package
[08:05] <DanielN> but there's a bug report on bugzilla from you
[08:05] <Lathiat> siretart: incoming
[08:05] <ogra> DanielN and have a look at breezy-changes, i think he already uploaded
[08:05] <DanielN> hm
[08:05] <ogra> some time last week
[08:05] <StoneTable> ogra:  I'm working on packaging a new version of drivel (1.2.3 is in now, 2.0.1 is out).  What's the new process for getting it reviewed?
[08:06] <ogra> StoneTable, are you sure there is no 2.0.1 in debian ?
[08:06] <Lathiat> seb128 asked for drivel 2.0.1 to be synced from debain yesterday iirc
[08:06] <StoneTable> heh, so there is
[08:06] <ogra> ah, thats what i suspected
[08:07] <StoneTable> good deal
[08:07] <schweeb> speak of the devil
[08:08] <schweeb> seb just joined #u-d
[08:08] <DanielN> siretart, rev is nice work :) is it possible to see the source.. never taked a  look over python stuff
[08:08] <siretart> DanielN: I can mail you the sources. sorry, no distribution tarball available yet
[08:09] <DanielN> ogra, The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:09] <DanielN>   libsigcx-gtk-0.6-dev: Depends: libsigcx-0.6-dev (= 0.6.4-4) but it is not going to be installed
[08:09] <DanielN>                         Depends: libsigcx-gtk-0.6-1 (>= 0.6.4-4) but it is not going to be installed
[08:10] <DanielN> siretart, would be nice.. mail it to neuenschwander@dev.erased.ch
[08:10] <ogra> DanielN did it build ?
[08:10] <DanielN> ogra, i'm trying to build yehia.. which has libsigcx-gtk-0.6-dev in deps
[08:11] <siretart> Lathiat: you should now be able to proceed with uploading
[08:11] <ogra> DanielN i know, i had yehia before, thats why i opened the bug about sigc
[08:11] <DanielN> ah
[08:11] <ogra> DanielN did sigcx build ?
[08:11] <DanielN> ogra, never tried
[08:11] <ogra> ajmitch uploaded on thursday.... so if its not in the archive you should look up its build log
[08:12] <DanielN> ok.. can you point me again to the logs?
[08:12] <Lathiat> siretart: yeh i have to unbreak my bzflag stuff first and its 2am and i want to sleep ;p
[08:12] <Lathiat> i seem to have lost somethign somewhere and it thinks its debian native:)
[08:14] <siretart> DanielN: done
[08:14] <ogra> DanielN http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/
[08:14] <siretart> Lathiat: perhaps the orig.tar.gz?
[08:14] <Lathiat> yeh
[08:14] <Lathiat> i'll find it later ;p
[08:19] <DanielN> dam
[08:19] <DanielN> damn
[08:19] <DanielN> damn
[08:33] <DanielN> ogra, hmm.. seems that my pbuilder want to fetch the old libsigcx
[08:34] <ogra> DanielN update it
[08:34] <DanielN> done it already 2 times
[08:34] <ogra> what did the buildlog say ?
[08:35] <DanielN> it's ok.. and when i do apt-get source libsigcx i get the transisted one :/
[08:41] <ogra> Package: libsigcx-0.6-dev
[08:41] <ogra> Section: libdevel
[08:41] <ogra> Conflicts: libsigcx-0.5-dev
[08:41] <ogra> Replaces: libsigcx-0.5-dev
[08:41] <ogra> hrm....
[08:44] <DanielN> on packages.ubuntu.com there is still libsigcx_0.6.4-4 and not libsigcx_0.6.4-4ubuntu1 :/
[08:44] <ogra> DanielN see above (find the bug in my paste ;) )
[08:45] <DanielN> mhm sorry
[08:45] <DanielN> don't find anything strange
[08:46] <ogra> 0.5 isnt 0.6
[08:47] <DanielN> yeah
[08:47] <DanielN> but should it replaces himself?
[08:47] <DanielN> or what
[08:47] <ogra> and that 0.6 0.5 replaces should be clear, you dont need to mention it ....
[08:47] <DanielN> yeah
[08:47] <ogra> yep
[08:47] <DanielN> tell that ajmitch
[08:47] <DanielN> :)
[08:48] <ogra> DanielN hey, you wait for him :)
[08:48] <ogra> so poke him to provide a fixed package ;)
[08:48] <DanielN> so it _should_ replaces itself?
[08:48] <ogra> yeps
[08:48] <DanielN> huh... :/
[08:48] <DanielN> but not conflict
[08:48] <ogra> since the version didnt change, you have to force it.....
[08:49] <DanielN> yeah
[08:49] <DanielN> ajmitch, ping ;)
[08:53] <ogra> DanielN, hmmit could also be the archive script....
[08:53] <ogra> seems there is no binary ubuntu1 version  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libs/libsigcx/
[08:54] <ogra> DanielN so its probably a elmo problem...
[08:54] <ogra> (or infinity)
[09:08] <DanielN> yeah, it's not there, as i said :)
[09:08] <DanielN> only source
[09:08] <DanielN> ok then ping elmo ?
[09:08] <DanielN> :>
[09:10] <ogra> yep
[09:13] <tseng> hi
[09:32] <JanC> jaldhar but personally I don't see anything that python is useful for that perl can't do already
[09:32] <JanC> try rewriting zope in perl ?  ;-)
[09:34] <siretart> JanC: write code that is possible to understand 2 weeks later? *g*
[09:35] <Seveas> You can do that in perl :)
[09:35] <Seveas> It's just a bit hard...
[09:35] <JanC> :-P
[09:48] <siretart> ogra: ping
[09:52] <sistpoty> I'm off for today... cya
[09:53] <ogra> siretart, pong
[09:54] <siretart> ogra: I havn't heard any comments from you regarding revu. do you miss some feature? do you like it?
[09:54] <ogra> siretart, i havent looked at the latest version yet.... i'll do after my dogwalk, he's waiting...
[09:55] <siretart> okay
[09:55] <siretart> have fun! :)
[09:55] <ogra> Seveas, hey, thanks for the reply in ubuntu-devel ;)
[09:55] <Seveas> yw ogra
[09:55] <Seveas> You are doing the good work, so thanks for that ;)
[09:56] <ogra> :)
[10:02] <\sh> re
[10:02] <tseng> hi..
[10:03] <bddebian> Hello \sh
[10:03] <bddebian> \sh: Did you ever find "an html guy" ?
[10:06] <ivoks> re
[10:06] <bddebian> Hello ivoks
[10:07] <ivoks> hi bddebian
[10:07] <ivoks> working hard?
[10:07] <bddebian> No, I don't seem to be much help :-(
[10:07] <\sh> bddebian: not right now
[10:07] <ivoks> bddebian: i feel the same :(
[10:32] <ivoks> arghh.... man it's too hot here
[10:45] <ogra> siretart, let me see more if there is more, for now i'm fine with the tool and i think its a cool idea, but ask again if there is more to look at ;)
[10:46] <siretart> ogra: I setup a wiki page for using it
[10:46] <siretart> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[10:46] <tseng> wee
[10:46] <ogra> haha, i still looked at http://siretart.tauware.de/review-tool/
[10:47] <siretart> registration is only via mail by sending me the password (signed mail please)
[10:47] <siretart> ogra: oh, I should remove that page ;)
[10:47] <tseng> so do you have to be a MOTU to upload?
[10:47] <siretart> tseng: no. you just need to be in the revu keyring
[10:47] <tseng> ohoh
[10:47] <siretart> 'just'
[10:48] <ogra> siretart, could you unzip the diff.gz on the fly ?
[10:48] <siretart> yeah, there is no possibility to register automatically for now
[10:48] <ogra> and your demo had the buidlog included, that would be also a nice addition
[10:48] <siretart> ogra: thats a good point for the todo list. yes, no problems
[10:48] <siretart> ogra: I cannot build on my site. this feature will be in the next version hosted by \sh
[10:49] <ogra> ah, great... but we should think about a place in the DC
[10:49] <siretart> DC?
[10:49] <ogra> datacenter
[10:49] <ogra> (canonicals)
[10:50] <siretart> ogra: I'd love to have it more integrated.  no problem
[10:51] <siretart> perhaps it could be a part of the launchpad? perhaps that would make authentication easier
[10:51] <ogra> siretart, i'll talk with mdz and sabdfl about it.... i think for launchpad you would need to integrate it much more with the launchpad infrastructure... lets keep this in mind for v2 ;)
[10:52] <siretart> :)
[11:07] <ajmitch> morning
[11:07] <siretart> hi ajmitch
[11:07] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[11:08] <ajmitch> ogra: about libsigcx - the conflicts & replaces on 0.5 were already there :) not sure why the build hasn't progressed to the mirrors though
[11:08] <ajmitch> bddebian: what's up?
[11:08] <bddebian> ajmitch: Nothing. :-(  You?
[11:09] <ogra> ajmitch, yes, i grokked that later, it must be something with the archive or something holds it back for whatever reason
[11:09] <ajmitch> siretart: great, so you need my gpg/ssh key & a random password for revu?
[11:09] <ajmitch> bddebian: sitting at work
[11:10] <bddebian> Joy
[11:10] <siretart> ajmitch: thats right
[11:10] <siretart> scripts to automate this are welcome ;)
[11:10] <ajmitch> siretart: is the password for the website?
[11:10] <siretart> ajmitch: only for that, yes
[11:10] <ajmitch> since you could do uploads via scp
[11:11] <ajmitch> I can't automate something which I don't have any source to :)
[11:11] <siretart> hm. in principle, yes.
[11:11] <siretart> ajmitch: oh, thats really no problem *g*
[11:11] <ajmitch> mentors.debian.net does scp uploads :)
[11:11] <ajmitch> christoph haas used to hang around here
[11:11] <siretart> ajmitch: do they provide everyone with shell access?
[11:11] <ajmitch> a long time ago
[11:12] <ajmitch> nope
[11:12] <ajmitch> it's ben awhile since I used m.d.n
[11:12] <siretart> hm. I'm using dscverify to verify the changes file
[11:12] <siretart> so I would need a gpg key anyway.
[11:12] <siretart> that should be a good practice for upcoming MOTUs ;)
[11:13] <ajmitch> got automated lintian reports?
[11:13] <ajmitch> I could also hack up something for filing debian bugs >:)
[11:14] <siretart> currently, the process_uploads script just verifies if the changes file is correct and copys then all corresponding files to their location
[11:14] <siretart> after that, some hooks are run for extracting the source package, run lintian and do other random things
[11:15] <ajmitch> right
[11:15] <siretart> but, why doesnt run-parts want to run my shell files.. hrmpf
[11:16] <ajmitch> aha..
[11:16] <ajmitch> chmod +x?
[11:16] <siretart> already done
[11:17] <siretart> aha, they may not end with .sh..
[11:17] <siretart> strange..
[11:18] <ajmitch> siretart: what's your gpg id?
[11:18] <siretart> pub  1024D/945348A4 2005-02-12 Reinhard Tartler <siretart@tauware.de>
[11:18] <ajmitch> nevermind, found it on wiki
[11:19] <ajmitch> hopefully you got the mail..
[11:20] <siretart> yes, I got it
[11:20] <ajmitch> hmm, mutt might not have signedf it, one moment :)
[11:21] <siretart> yes :)
[11:21] <ajmitch> you want it signed?
[11:21] <siretart> would be better. since I need your keyid ;)
[11:22] <ajmitch> try now..
[11:22] <ajmitch> ogra: oh..?
[11:22] <ajmitch> what have we done wrong?
[11:23] <ogra> ajmitch, read it, not you....
[11:24] <ajmitch> will wait for it to show up in inbox
[11:24] <ogra> :)
[11:25] <ajmitch> can take awhile, I've noticed :)
[11:25] <siretart> ajmitch: your second mail also did not get signed :(
[11:26] <siretart> ah, what is your keyid?
[11:26] <ajmitch> pff, it should have
[11:26] <ajmitch> 61434dd6
[11:28] <ajmitch> hey andrew
[11:30] <siretart> ajmitch: done
[11:30] <ajmitch> siretart: thanks
[11:30] <ajmitch> so I ought to be able to login, right? :)
[11:32] <siretart> with username 'ajmitch@ihug.co.nz', yes
[11:33] <ajmitch> ah right
[11:33] <ajmitch> I thought you'd have username as ajmitch
[11:33] <ajmitch> logged in now
[11:33] <Arrogance> hey Andrew.  :)
[11:33] <siretart> perhaps the wiki page should be updated
[11:33] <siretart> ajmitch: you should now be able to comment any upload
[11:33] <ajmitch> yay
[11:34] <ajmitch> now I just need to be able to grab uploads easily
[11:34] <tseng> siretart: can I maybe hack on the stylesheet a little bit?
[11:34] <siretart> the advocating feature was intended for NEW uploads, where a upload need 3 reviewers saying 'ok'
[11:34] <ajmitch> like a master Sources.gz
[11:34] <siretart> tseng: your are perfectly welcome to do so!
[11:34] <siretart> I'll prepare a source tarball
[11:35] <tseng> the orange is a little bit much for me :)
[11:35] <siretart> tseng: :)
[11:35] <ajmitch> siretart: got open svn access for us all?
[11:38] <siretart> ajmitch: I can give you svn access, if you want
[11:39] <siretart> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu-r30.tar.gz for anyone interested
[11:39] <siretart> for everyone, hmm. I'll think about it
[11:39] <dholbach> HEY
[11:39] <siretart> huhu dholbach
[11:40] <dholbach> hey tseng
[11:40] <dholbach> :)
[11:40] <bddebian> Hello dholbach
[11:40] <dholbach> hi siretart
[11:40] <ajmitch> hey dholbach
[11:40] <tseng> hi dholbach
[11:40] <dholbach> did you kick off the review day already?
[11:40] <tseng> dholbach: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/
[11:40] <tseng> dholbach: siretart is the man!
[11:40] <ajmitch> when does review day start?
[11:40] <tseng> ajmitch: "tommorow"
[11:40] <dholbach> 27th all timezones
[11:40] <ajmitch> since it's the 27th here already
[11:40] <dholbach> so here we go! :)
[11:40] <tseng> whenever people start coming
[11:41] <ajmitch> and has been for nearly 10 hours
[11:41] <ogra> ajmitch, over all timezones ;)
[11:41] <ogra> so it already started :)
[11:41] <tseng> its review day in NZ
[11:41] <ogra> yeah
[11:41] <ajmitch> fun
[11:41] <ajmitch> so what shall I grab first?
[11:41] <siretart> tseng: and don't forget sistpoty. he was here today ;)
[11:41] <dholbach> i'll start in 20 minutes ;)
[11:41] <ogra> ajmitch, go ahead, start reviewing :)
[11:41] <tseng> that is a very gross nick
[11:42] <ogra> dholbach, its already 27th
[11:42] <ogra> dholbach, you said all TZ :)
[11:42] <ogra> so ajmitch should start reviewing... :)
[11:42] <dholbach> yeah, but it'll start in 18 minutes for me
[11:42] <bddebian> Yeah ajmitch, do something for once. ;-P
[11:42] <ajmitch> I'll do most of mine tonight
[11:43] <ajmitch> since I can't take too much time out of work :)
[11:43] <ajmitch> has MOTUToReview been cleared of old packages?
[11:43] <ajmitch> like Unfrgiven's iptraf that was uploaded?
[11:44] <dholbach> we should move all of them to "done"
[11:44] <tseng> great idea
[11:44] <dholbach> ogra: what's wrong
[11:44] <tseng> is "done" really relevant/
[11:44] <ogra> dholbach, read y last mail to -devel
[11:44] <dholbach> ogra: in a minute
[11:45] <ajmitch> some aren't done, but are just irrelevant
[11:45] <ajmitch> like the selinux packages by trulux are mostly for main, and handled separately
[11:45] <ogra> i'm really upset... this guy ignores me ... and rants about "universe is unsupported", "you should backup before using universe pgk's"
[11:45] <tseng> haha
[11:45] <tseng> yes.
[11:45] <ogra> grr
[11:45] <tseng> openbox will totally fuck your box, dudes
[11:46] <ogra> what a ignorant *censored*
[11:46] <ajmitch> heh
[11:46] <dholbach> calm down
[11:46] <bddebian> Such hostility :-)
[11:46] <dholbach> don't feed the troll
[11:46] <ogra> dholbach, i try to...
[11:47] <ajmitch> go outside, have a cigarette... :)
[11:48] <ogra> :)
[11:48] <bddebian> ajmitch: GREAT idea! ;-)
[11:49] <ajmitch> ok, lathiat's bzflag has been sitting there, not uploaded..
[11:51] <ajmitch> oh why did the debian maintainer make it a native debian package??
[11:52] <Seveas>  tomboy (0.3.2-4ubuntu7) breezy; urgency=low
[11:52] <Seveas>  .
[11:52] <Seveas>    * Rebuild for this weeks d-bus API
[11:52] <siretart> ajmitch: I asked him
[11:52] <Seveas> are we having api-of-the-week contests?
[11:52] <Seveas> :)
[11:52] <siretart> ajmitch: he is also upstream and releases for debian first
[11:52] <dholbach> siretart: an encrypted mail?
[11:52] <ajmitch> siretart: just because he's also upstream doesn't mean it should be a native package
[11:52] <siretart> dholbach: signed and encrypted would be best
[11:52] <dholbach> ok
[11:52] <ajmitch> since it requires a ~9MB upload for even a spelling mistake in the control file...
[11:53] <siretart> ajmitch: I didn't want to mess with him
[11:53] <siretart> I think I have his email somewhere around here
[11:53] <ogra> Seveas, only for dbus :)
[11:54] <siretart> ajmitch: ah, here: <quote>Just that I normally do the debian package before making the actual release tarball. For most releases the two tarballs are identical. </quote>
[11:55] <ajmitch> how very irritating
[11:58] <ajmitch> I'm still downloading the files to review..