[12:01] sebest, debian is a very wide field, which one are you talking about (sarge,sid, woody )? [12:01] all of them [12:02] except maybe experimental [12:02] so its a lag of debian then... === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:02] but as i don't use debian, should i use the ubuntuX in the name? [12:03] 0ubuntu1 [12:03] if there is no debian version [12:03] tseng oki [12:03] the first part is the debian revision [12:04] so 3.2.1-1ubuntu1 if its in debian as 3.2.1-1 and you make changes [12:04] say debian has 3.2.0 [12:04] and you update it to .1 [12:04] its not 3.2.1-0ubuntu1 [12:04] make ense? [12:04] sense === looksaus [~looksaus@83-134-125-28.Leuven.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:05] yes i does, but i was using 0.6.4-0ethium1, should i name it 0.6.4-1ubuntu1 ? [12:05] no [12:05] for upgrading to works? [12:05] we only respect versioning from debian [12:05] not random 3rd parties [12:06] oki, but what should i do for smooth upgrade? [12:06] if it's not in debian yet it's -0 right? [12:06] the first debian version will be 0.6.4-1, so it will supersede your pakage in ubuntu if you name it 0ubuntu1 [12:06] tseng, is there a motu who's interested in music notation? [12:07] it would be great to have lilypond packages [12:07] looksaus: not that I know of [12:07] interested, but haven't done much with it [12:07] (I mean Lilypond 2.6 packages) [12:07] looksaus: you are welcome to get involved [12:07] you'd want to work with the debian maintainer for that [12:08] ajmitch, of course, if I were willing to invest a lot of time in packaging skill building [12:08] great, it's thomas bushnell [12:08] ogra , but what will happen when i apt-get upgrade? if the installed one is 0.6.4-0ethium1 ? [12:08] looksaus, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUAudio [12:08] and i name the new 0.6.4-0ubuntu1 ? [12:09] is he an ubuntu guy? [12:09] 0ubuntu1 is higher [12:09] ajmitch: oki thanx [12:09] looksaus: no, a hurd guy :) [12:10] I thought so, but he could have been on both, right ;) [12:10] sure [12:10] ogra, is it acceptable for me to put something in there? [12:11] looksaus: sure it is [12:11] looksaus, you probably should contact the guys... they dont have a MOTU to lead yet... [12:12] get in touch with them first [12:12] so this team isnt right yet.... a MOTU team needs a MOTU [12:12] else you have no uploader [12:12] err... sorry... you mean I should contact the audio guys first? [12:12] the have them contact you? [12:13] then have them contact you? === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:16] looksaus, no, have them find a MOTU so their team can actually work [12:17] looksaus, a MOTU team without a MOTU is pretty useless... you cant upload changes.... [12:17] ogra, I was supposing that you were the MOTU people... [12:17] looksaus, yes, but i'm not in the audio team [12:17] ok [12:18] i need to leave my computer before i get angry [12:18] ogra, what is the next step when i have implemented the changes asked by daniel? [12:18] looksaus, since these guys seem to have interest in audio stuff, the should either become MOTU or find one who is interested in that... [12:18] tseng, calm down... [12:18] im leaving :) [12:18] bye tseng :) [12:18] tseng, i'm discussing since 1h with him [12:18] tseng, ciao, relax [12:19] ogra: you are a champion [12:19] see you in 20 or so [12:19] irssi is really screwy today - cutting off first character of each line after the nick :) [12:20] what happened with tseng?? [12:20] sebest, annoying discussion on -devel... [12:22] <\sh> uh again a long text === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-184-135-68.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:27] ajmitch: that sucks [12:27] bass [12:27] hehe [12:29] 0:27 < Amaranth> jmitch: that sucks [12:29] 10:27 < maranth> ass [12:29] yeah, it does :) [12:29] i did that on purpose :D [12:30] but I'm using putty on windows to connect to screen at home.. [12:30] which worked fine yesterday [12:36] ok, ssh+cygwin works === looksaus [~looksaus@83-134-125-28.Leuven.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Looksaus] === herzi [~herzi@dsl-084-056-232-034.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:42] ajmitch, even without ssh-krb5 ? *g* [12:43] ogra: be nice :) [12:43] heh, i am.... [12:43] i'm still bound to the CoC :) === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:49] bye all, and thanx for the advices! [12:52] bye sebest [12:56] <\sh> going to bed ... [12:57] /msg ogra wer hat Dir den Schwanz festgebunden? ;-) [01:22] hi [01:22] wb tseng [01:23] thanks === dle-- is now known as dle === ydo_ [tbe@debian.as] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] yay! [03:00] my passwords are changed :-P [03:00] _all_ of them :-) === Nafallo hugs pwgen for the excellent work :-) === amx [~amx@Ottawa-HSE-ppp255529.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:01] I'm going to bed. see you all later. === bddebian [~bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:26] Bah, where is everyone? [03:28] I was at lunch :P [03:29] Heya homey [03:30] making friends in #d-d again, I see? [03:30] hehe [03:30] Well I AM installing Breezy at the moment.. [03:31] great [03:31] dist-upgrade from hoary? [03:31] Ayte [03:31] Uhm, aye even === tseng waits for colony 2 [03:31] i need to wipe this clean [03:31] loaded with crap [03:32] colony 2? [03:32] colony 2. [03:32] a group of badgers are a colony [03:33] Ah [03:33] milestone builds are called colony [03:33] 1, 2, etc === bddebian has much to learn apparently [03:33] yep [03:34] Shix, I keep getting md5 errors on oppenoffice.org2 [03:35] us mirror? [03:36] I think I need to learn tla-buildpackage [03:37] <3 svn-buildpackage [03:37] baz is the way of the future [03:37] seen The Aviator? [03:37] yep [03:38] wait, I don't think I did [03:38] its about howard hughes [03:38] right [03:38] his torrets/panic attacks were he said "the way of the future" like 50 times [03:38] it's the way of the future..way of the future..way of the futuer [03:38] until they sedated him [03:38] ya [03:39] yeah, that was the syphillis coming to him [03:39] syphilis + ocd = deadly combo [03:39] tseng: Yes [03:39] bddebian: that mirror is permafucked [03:40] use another for now === squinn is downgrading to Hoary [03:40] Nice.. :-( [03:40] any work I need I can debootstrap [03:40] squinn: do you find breezy a little broken? [03:40] Anu suggestions on a mirror? [03:40] s/Anu/Any [03:41] ajmitch, a little. i'm used to unstable systems but when i can't add an email account..that crosses the lien [03:42] Anyone... Anyone... Beuhler [03:46] ajmitch: Is the an .au mirror? [03:46] good night [03:46] bddebian: dunno [03:47] night tseng === ajmitch hopes xtla gets into breezy soon [03:47] gnight tseng [03:48] Is there a list of mirrors somewhere? [03:48] probably :) [03:49] sheesh [04:02] No one knows another mirror?? The Ubuntu sites and Google aren't helping much.. :-( === migma [migma@210.213.243.128] has joined #ubuntu-motu === migma [migma@210.213.243.128] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === rcliii [~rcliii@cpe-65-26-158-102.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:06] bddebian: try uk.archive.ubuntu.com then [04:06] or just archive.ubuntu.com [04:06] (same ip addresses) [04:07] thx [04:07] hmm [04:07] that may not work, us.a.u.c points to the same place [04:07] bah :-) === bddebian tries uk.a.u.c [04:17] Ahh, now nautilus dies [04:19] excellent [04:19] how is it dying? [04:19] dpkg returned error 1 blah blah [04:19] I'm doing a -f install now [04:20] hey, um..question for you [04:20] squinn: yes? [04:21] wait maybe nvm [04:21] yeah, nvm [04:21] Hmm, seemed to have worked. === bddebian crosses his fingers and reboots [04:23] Okay. [04:24] What do I do if my dpkg is damaged beyond belief [04:24] I kind of screwed it up. [04:24] how badly? [04:24] dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success [04:24] dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success [04:24] I can't get anything to install badly [04:24] Cool, now X won't start and I can't use my keyboard. Sweet [04:25] squinn: ah, so configuration stuff, not 'dpkg has a totally broken status db' [04:25] yep [04:25] bddebian: breezy Works For Me(tm) :) [04:26] heh [04:26] well the file i messed up i got from someone on main support chan [04:26] squinn: look in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg [04:26] ok [04:26] did you change that file? [04:26] no [04:26] what does that file have, and what version of dpkg do you have installed (latest from breezy?) [04:27] commented stuff [04:27] and [04:27] where log goes [04:27] and file i edited was /var/lib/dpkg/info/dpkg.prerm [04:27] comment out the log option [04:27] it was something recently edited, and if you haven't got a matching dpkg, it might complain like it is [04:28] as i wanted to dpkg to downgrade and it seemed to have some problems with /usr/bin/md5sum [04:28] yeah, downgrading dpkg isn't going to be fun [04:28] yes [04:28] it'll most likely cause a lot of pain trying to downgrade substantial amounts [04:29] well main concern is gettin dpkg at least usable [04:29] so comment out that option [04:29] most other files dgraded quietly [04:29] doen [04:29] done [04:29] dpkg should be usable now [04:31] hey [04:31] hi chillywilly [04:31] ajmitch, you're a god [04:31] Networking won't start in recovery mode? [04:31] Heya chillywilly [04:32] squinn: nah [04:32] and/or a developer [04:32] and/or a MOTU [04:34] just a motu [04:34] just a MOFO [04:35] bddebian, as usual.. [04:37] WTF is up with networking in Ubuntu? === CircuitRider [~chatzilla@adsl-65-43-166-36.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:38] bddebian: nothing wrong that I know of [04:38] When I first installed I changed /etc/network/interfaces and it didn't do shit?? [04:40] because you didn't do it right?? [04:40] d000d [04:40] seriously, your 'bug report' is so vague as to be rather unhelpful :) [04:41] Oh, this is supposed to be a bug report? [04:41] no, but saying 'it doesn't do shit' won't get much help [04:42] I set my interfaces file up the way I normally do in Debian and it was still using DHCP. I couldn't set a static IP until I used the GUI interface [04:42] depends if you took the interface down & put it up again [04:42] since ubuntu uses the same networking packages as debian [04:43] ajmitch: I tried. init.d/networking restart filed .. stop failed.. etc [04:43] and start did what? [04:44] failed [04:44] and the logs say? [04:44] Oh yeah, logs === ajmitch thinks that #u-motu shouldn't be another support channel [04:46] NM === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === martin [~martin@pc-62-30-33-77-pr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:43] Morning all - Do you have any beginners documentation on creating packages? I would like to create packages of KDE themes for my own personal repo... [05:44] martinjh99: the debian new maintainer's guide [05:45] martinjh99: it's at debian.org somewhere [05:45] or check https://wiki.ubuntu.com [05:45] there is some documentation on there [05:45] under the MOTU section I believe [05:45] there's a pbuilder howto and such [05:46] I will have another look at the Debian maintainers guide - It went a bit over my head to start of with ;) Will have a look at the Ubuntu wiki as well! [05:47] sorry I can't help you with links, but you can find them just as easily as I can [05:47] No worries about that! I can use Google with the best of them! === trulux [~lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ups [~ups@203.200.160.51] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:52] <\sh> morning [08:56] hm i think im heading towards the dark side [08:56] im becoming fond of kde [08:56] hmm that's not so dark [08:56] what im probably using now is much darker [08:57] windows? [08:57] nahh [08:57] im using Ion [08:57] heh [08:57] ah [08:57] haha [08:57] can i get kmail to cache all messages? [08:58] hmm who's the kde kingpin here [08:58] heh [08:58] (aside from Riddell) [08:58] \sh ? [08:58] ahh yes a krew member *grin* === dholbach [foobar@td9091aea.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:00] morning [09:00] <\sh> what? [09:00] <\sh> hey daniel [09:00] hey stephan :) [09:01] dholbach, daniel hey [09:01] jerome! :) [09:01] <\sh> Lathiat: cache all messages? u mean download them into a temp memory bucket and forget about everything after the app is closed? [09:01] <\sh> or do u mean only the message list? [09:02] <\sh> the messagelist is downloaded and also saved in your .kde dir [09:03] nah as in, cache the contents of all all messages [09:03] so i can view them offline [09:04] and online without waiting === herzi [~herzi@195.20.225.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:06] <\sh> Lathiat: no..only download all the stuff [09:06] \sh: and any idea if icanset "thread messages" on allfolders by default? [09:06] <\sh> Lathiat: w8 i have to check where it is [09:07] <\sh> Lathiat: configure kmail -> Appearance -> TAB Message List [09:07] <\sh> In the General Options there is "Threaded Messages list" [09:08] ahh [09:08] cheers === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:24] dholbach, its been a while since i saw/talked to you, how are you doing lately [09:25] jsgotangco: i'm very busy with my thesis, an exam i have to write and my move to berlin (in 8-9 weeks it's over :)) === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:26] dholbach, you've been busy :) [09:27] i still am [09:27] but i'm fine :) [09:27] how are ou? [09:27] oh i'm doing good, a bit boring lately though [09:29] the MOTU world should help you get rid of tediousness :) [09:30] although... we have tedious work as well :) === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JRe [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ups [~ups@203.200.160.53] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:55] <\sh> hmm..irgendwie schein ich doch in ein fettnaepchen getreten zu haben [09:55] whats wrong? [09:55] <\sh> sorry... [09:55] <\sh> i just wrote an article after I read your remark to michaels article ;) [09:57] what are you talking about? [09:58] <\sh> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/43-Additions-to-The-Ubuntu-Community-Model.html [09:58] what went wrong? i read your blog entry yesterday? [10:03] everybody who got a NEW package into ubuntu: file an rfp [10:03] i'll have to do that myself [10:03] (figure out how that works) === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:13] <\sh> dholbach: the first guy misunderstood me :) [10:13] first guy? michael? [10:13] <\sh> ricardo (the comments on my article) [10:14] ah === herzi [~herzi@195.20.225.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === motaboy [~motaboy@host177-41.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fwiffo [~fwiffo@dhcpserver0.oersted.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:59] brb === dholbach [foobar@td9091aea.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:14] hi dholbach [12:14] re :) [12:14] brandon, how are you? === tseng checks morning mail [12:15] dholbach: good. are you done school yet? [12:15] haha :) [12:15] 8 weeks [12:15] ! [12:15] if i don't have a heart attack before :) [12:15] morning tseng [12:16] gymnasium ist scheishause [12:16] hi jsgotangco [12:16] hahahaha [12:16] fachhochschule in this case, but it was a near miss ;) [12:16] fachhoch? [12:17] ist dem "tech" schule? [12:17] "university of applied sciences" [12:17] indeed. [12:17] is that word an education thing [12:17] it's a silly word :) [12:17] yeah german has different types of schools [12:18] sounds silly [12:18] starting wiht our highschool [12:18] haha :) [12:18] i think you graduate when you are about 15 or 16? and can get an unskilled job [12:18] or go onto a specialized school [12:18] schule is school? [12:18] yes [12:20] interesting [12:20] im quite interested in the language [12:21] well its fun, you can just throw random words together into one big long string [12:21] fachhoch is apperantly something about science. so you get fachhochschule :D [12:21] hochschule would be highschool [12:21] fach is a subject, hoch is high [12:22] or is fach more like an occupation? [12:22] fachschule? [12:22] nevermind me - i shouldn't be here anyway :) [12:22] sounds fun [12:22] dholbach: :( [12:22] i would have studied more german if i stayed in school [12:23] i dont have the patience for this [12:23] Treenaks: it's like a university, but it's a more practical, the groups are smaller - i like it better [12:23] dholbach: It's called "Hoger beroepsonderwijs" in Dutch I think :) they call themselves "University" abroad [12:23] "fach" means something like "skill" [12:24] JanC: *headdesk* of course [12:24] but not exactly :) [12:24] "vak" in Dutch :) [12:24] Treenaks: dutch is so funny :) [12:24] Treenaks: (you must think the same about german :) [12:25] dholbach: yes ;) [12:25] hehe [12:25] I think "Fachhochschule" would be "industrile hogeschool" in Belgian Dutch [12:25] ok... i try to find a segfault in my code ... see you later [12:26] or maybe just "hogeschool" [12:29] im going home [12:30] see you guys later [12:31] bye jerome :) === JRe [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-motu === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0273.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ups [~ups@203.200.160.53] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thesaltydog [~yoshi@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lathiat_ [~lathiat@gasp.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ [~ogra@p5089CD97.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === susus_ [~sz@p5089CD97.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jamessan|work [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.42.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HWolf [~hidden@136.160.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === motaboy [~motaboy@host177-41.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thesaltydog [~fabio@62.211.45.57] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thesaltydog [~fabio@62.211.45.57] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === Mez [~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ups [~ups@203.200.160.53] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0273.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] see you later === Mez [~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [~chuck@70.29.57.24] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dahane [~dahane@d089092.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [~jm__@202.172.110.133] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lamont__ [~lamont@15.238.6.65] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed [~daniel@i528C3B98.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [~bddebian@user216-178-65-218.netcarrier.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:33] Hello [05:33] hi bddebian [05:33] Hi Nafallo [05:40] OK, thanks to ajmitch, I have Breezy running. Someone give me a bug to look at.. :-) [05:45] :) [05:46] <\sh> jo [05:47] <\sh> cheers btw [05:57] Hello ivoks, \sh [05:59] So either I have to find my own bug, or you people don't believe me since I haven't done shit yet.. :-) [06:00] <\sh> ?? [06:00] ? === terrex dice: ahora s que s, me ausento. taluego [06:01] <\sh> ? [06:01] lots of questions :) [06:02] Sorry, I'm mainly playing around. I think I do that too much.. [06:02] bddebian: either go in malone and find an open one, or go through build logs [06:03] schweeb: I know. I was hoping someone knew of some more n00b tasks. :-) [06:03] heh [06:03] you could work on the wiki or something [06:04] <\sh> bddebian: 1. wiki 2. malone 3. cxx that was my way [06:04] Well as I try to look at bugs, I am considering an MOTUn00b page ;-) [06:04] <\sh> bloody hell, i'm melting === schweeb sits in air conditioned bliss [06:04] <\sh> since I came back from work, me too [06:05] <\sh> but this is now riddiculus [06:05] <\sh> i need a new flat [06:06] hm... nice... === schweeb is simultaneously at work and at home [06:06] kde will do API for wikipedia [06:06] I love VPNs [06:06] <\sh> ivoks: sure [06:07] <\sh> ivoks: we're going on ;) [06:07] going on? :) [06:07] <\sh> going on with our life ;) and our desktop ,-) [06:07] yeah.. [06:08] <\sh> but I think gnome will also do some wikipedia stuff [06:08] linux is looking good every day even better for desktop [06:08] <\sh> ivoks: since 4 years now [06:08] \sh: sure they will [06:08] hell, I've been using it as a desktop for like 3.5 years [06:08] someone will do that for windows too :) and osx [06:08] <\sh> as i wrote in my blog , linux is overdue for the desktop [06:08] (linux that is, not KDE) [06:08] schweeb: i'm using it since '98 :) [06:09] <\sh> schweeb: i'm running linux since 1995 as desktop [06:09] well, I've been using linux since 97, but not as a full time desktop [06:11] man, i need to loose weight [06:11] :) [06:13] nice, v9fs in linux 2.6.13 [06:15] ubuntu should have certificat system :) [06:15] re [06:16] wb siretart [06:17] v9fs? [06:18] plan9's filesystem [06:19] and what kind of cert system would we need? [06:19] do you mean a CA? [06:20] is there anything particularly useful about plan9, or its filesystem? [06:23] does anyone here has experience with mod python? === ivoks_ [~ivoks@lns01-1158.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:24] highway is done! finally... only 3 hours to split :) [06:26] <\sh> siretart: ogra has [06:26] huh ? [06:26] <\sh> mod_python? [06:27] <\sh> or python cgi only? [06:27] btw, current status of revu can be seen here: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ [06:27] nope.... i dont abuse apache as application server ..... i have not had a case where a cgi wasnt good enough... [06:27] <\sh> ogra: but your hwdb? [06:28] well, mod_python isn't really much more than cgi. [06:28] \sh, cgi [06:28] \sh, and no, the slowness isnt caused by the fact that its a cgi :) === shawarma [~sh@3E6B503C.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] hi! I need a piece of advise. I'm the package of user-profile, a new GNOME tool to change your passwd and GECOS info. The first version, I packaged had no version, so I just called it version 1.0, and my first package had the full version of 1.0-1. I made a new release called 1.0-2. Now, the author has adopted my versioning, and called his package version 1.0-3... What should I do now? [06:36] How do I handle an upstream version that has dashes in it? [06:36] ? [06:36] who's upstream? [06:36] A dude called Domenique Tillleuil. [06:36] Why? [06:37] shawarma: does he create debian packages as well? [06:37] No. That's "my job". [06:38] ivoks: Why? [06:38] hm... then ask him to version his program in x.y.z format [06:38] shawarma: url of upstream? [06:38] ivoks: Right. I'll do that, but now he has actually released a version with this version. [06:38] http://eros.homelinux.net:4000/~domenique === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:39] What am I supposed to do if I come across another piece of software with a dash in the version? Just substitute a dot? [06:39] The new source can be found here Debian packages will have to wait for a while but as soon as i've got them, i'll post them here :) [06:39] he does debian packages [06:39] No. I do. :-) [06:40] I have an "agreement" with him,that he e-mails me whenever he releases a new version, and I package it. [06:41] ah, ok :) [06:41] tell him that he has to change versioning [06:41] and you can apply diff to your package [06:42] and bump version to 1.0-3ubuntu1 [06:42] shawarma: Personally, I'd package it with upstream version 1.0.3, and mention in the changelog, that its actually 1.0-3 [06:42] or that... [06:43] I think that's what I'll do, actually. [06:43] Thanks for the advice. [06:44] shawarma, btw, your em-applet doesnt work :( [06:46] shawarma, do you know if your upstream (about-me) is aware of this ? http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/DotUbuntuRegistrationClient [06:48] hm, is anyone working on that? [06:48] (dotubuntu) [06:49] ok, we need meta key for mouse :( [06:49] presing left and right mouse key is stoopid [06:50] <\sh> strike [06:50] win+left = middle key [06:50] <\sh> i have my progress bar in my listviewitem [06:50] <\sh> now can I drink another beer [06:50] no, you may not [06:50] yay! beer [06:51] <\sh> at least I found kynaptic the first time useful :) [06:51] kynaptic seems fairly useless to me [06:51] doesnt even have search :\ [06:52] damn these kde people, they have me tempted to switch [06:52] :) [06:52] <\sh> Lathiat: but it has one widget built in what i needed [06:52] \sh is guilty! :) [06:52] heh === koke [~koke@adsl229-164.unizar.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:52] <\sh> at least the idea how to do it === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax6-228.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === davro [~davro@cpc4-ches2-3-0-cust194.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:10] hi MOTUs! [07:10] <\sh> hoi koke [07:10] are universe uploads restricted yet? [07:11] I've fixed tla-buildpackage [07:13] <\sh> if you 're motu you can upload..if it's a new package, put it on MOTUToReview or MOTUNewPackages === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === warthylog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | review day! JOIN US: June, 27th === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by \sh at Sat Jun 25 22:09:29 2005 === herzi [~herzi@c182089.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax9-207.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0304.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:15] re === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0304.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.160.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:30] excellent === WebMaven [~webmaven@ip68-104-53-190.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === WebMaven [~webmaven@ip68-104-53-190.lv.lv.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === mehrfachstecker [~aldomansk@p54AFBCF5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:39] i hate ubuntu's cupsys [07:39] :< [07:39] IT HATES YOU TOO [07:39] :) [07:39] you just can't create user that will be unable to print :) [07:39] so creating a decent print server is impossible [07:40] how to add code to wiki? [07:40] whats the code tags? [07:40] {{{ ok [07:41] siretart: I can be wrong but I thing {{{ is for processors [07:41] arr. think [07:43] ok. I was wrong {{{#ProcessorName is for Processors === Mez [~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:45] does anyone want to play guinea pig for revu? ;) [07:46] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU [07:50] anyone? [07:50] so [07:50] what it for [07:50] motus to upload and then have it sposnored by someone else? [07:52] Lathiat: it is aimed to be a replacement for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTOToReview and MOTONewPackages [07:52] ah [07:52] I dont like the wiki for doing reviews. so I wrote revu ;) [07:52] so as a submitter, i would submit a package ? [07:52] with revu [07:52] and then someone woudl review it? [07:53] Lathiat: yes, sponsors will be able to download your package from revu, and upload it to the archive then [07:53] ok i can do that [07:53] great :) [07:54] pass me your gnupg id then, (as instructed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU) [07:54] hm [08:00] sorry, gimme abit :) [08:02] n/p. I'm afk for lunch [08:03] ogra, ping [08:03] DanielN pong [08:04] what's the state of libsigcx-gtk-xx ? [08:04] would be nice if they're going uploaded, cause of libyehia :) [08:04] DanielN ask ajmitch, its his package [08:05] but there's a bug report on bugzilla from you [08:05] siretart: incoming [08:05] DanielN and have a look at breezy-changes, i think he already uploaded [08:05] hm [08:05] some time last week [08:05] ogra: I'm working on packaging a new version of drivel (1.2.3 is in now, 2.0.1 is out). What's the new process for getting it reviewed? [08:06] StoneTable, are you sure there is no 2.0.1 in debian ? === StoneTable looks [08:06] seb128 asked for drivel 2.0.1 to be synced from debain yesterday iirc [08:06] heh, so there is [08:06] ah, thats what i suspected [08:07] good deal [08:07] speak of the devil [08:08] seb just joined #u-d [08:08] siretart, rev is nice work :) is it possible to see the source.. never taked a look over python stuff [08:08] DanielN: I can mail you the sources. sorry, no distribution tarball available yet [08:09] ogra, The following packages have unmet dependencies: [08:09] libsigcx-gtk-0.6-dev: Depends: libsigcx-0.6-dev (= 0.6.4-4) but it is not going to be installed [08:09] Depends: libsigcx-gtk-0.6-1 (>= 0.6.4-4) but it is not going to be installed [08:10] siretart, would be nice.. mail it to neuenschwander@dev.erased.ch [08:10] DanielN did it build ? [08:10] ogra, i'm trying to build yehia.. which has libsigcx-gtk-0.6-dev in deps [08:11] Lathiat: you should now be able to proceed with uploading [08:11] DanielN i know, i had yehia before, thats why i opened the bug about sigc [08:11] ah [08:11] DanielN did sigcx build ? [08:11] ogra, never tried [08:11] ajmitch uploaded on thursday.... so if its not in the archive you should look up its build log [08:12] ok.. can you point me again to the logs? [08:12] siretart: yeh i have to unbreak my bzflag stuff first and its 2am and i want to sleep ;p [08:12] i seem to have lost somethign somewhere and it thinks its debian native:) [08:14] DanielN: done [08:14] DanielN http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/ [08:14] Lathiat: perhaps the orig.tar.gz? [08:14] yeh [08:14] i'll find it later ;p === jbpeele [~jbpeele@user-24-214-24-45.knology.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [08:19] dam [08:19] damn [08:19] damn === |QuaD- [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh [~shermann@server3.servereyes.de] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] [08:33] ogra, hmm.. seems that my pbuilder want to fetch the old libsigcx [08:34] DanielN update it [08:34] done it already 2 times [08:34] what did the buildlog say ? [08:35] it's ok.. and when i do apt-get source libsigcx i get the transisted one :/ [08:41] Package: libsigcx-0.6-dev [08:41] Section: libdevel [08:41] Conflicts: libsigcx-0.5-dev [08:41] Replaces: libsigcx-0.5-dev [08:41] hrm.... [08:44] on packages.ubuntu.com there is still libsigcx_0.6.4-4 and not libsigcx_0.6.4-4ubuntu1 :/ [08:44] DanielN see above (find the bug in my paste ;) ) [08:45] mhm sorry [08:45] don't find anything strange [08:46] 0.5 isnt 0.6 [08:47] yeah [08:47] but should it replaces himself? [08:47] or what [08:47] and that 0.6 0.5 replaces should be clear, you dont need to mention it .... [08:47] yeah [08:47] yep [08:47] tell that ajmitch [08:47] :) [08:48] DanielN hey, you wait for him :) [08:48] so poke him to provide a fixed package ;) [08:48] so it _should_ replaces itself? [08:48] yeps [08:48] huh... :/ [08:48] but not conflict [08:48] since the version didnt change, you have to force it..... [08:49] yeah [08:49] ajmitch, ping ;) [08:53] DanielN, hmmit could also be the archive script.... [08:53] seems there is no binary ubuntu1 version http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libs/libsigcx/ [08:54] DanielN so its probably a elmo problem... [08:54] (or infinity) [09:08] yeah, it's not there, as i said :) [09:08] only source [09:08] ok then ping elmo ? [09:08] :> [09:10] yep [09:13] hi === ozamosi [~ozamosi@80.252.185.147] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:32] jaldhar but personally I don't see anything that python is useful for that perl can't do already [09:32] try rewriting zope in perl ? ;-) [09:34] JanC: write code that is possible to understand 2 weeks later? *g* [09:35] You can do that in perl :) [09:35] It's just a bit hard... [09:35] :-P === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:48] ogra: ping === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:52] I'm off for today... cya === thesaltydog [~saltydog@62.211.45.57] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty [~stefan@DSL01.212.114.237.25.NEFkom.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [09:53] siretart, pong [09:54] ogra: I havn't heard any comments from you regarding revu. do you miss some feature? do you like it? [09:54] siretart, i havent looked at the latest version yet.... i'll do after my dogwalk, he's waiting... [09:55] okay [09:55] have fun! :) [09:55] Seveas, hey, thanks for the reply in ubuntu-devel ;) [09:55] yw ogra [09:55] You are doing the good work, so thanks for that ;) [09:56] :) === bddebian [~bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh [~shermann@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:02] <\sh> re [10:02] hi.. [10:03] Hello \sh === thesaltydog [~saltydog@62.211.45.57] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [10:03] \sh: Did you ever find "an html guy" ? === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0304.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:06] re [10:06] Hello ivoks [10:07] hi bddebian [10:07] working hard? [10:07] No, I don't seem to be much help :-( [10:07] <\sh> bddebian: not right now [10:07] bddebian: i feel the same :( === \sh is now known as \sh_away === plugwash [plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === motaboy [~motaboy@host87-39.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:32] arghh.... man it's too hot here === \S2 [~s2@host136-107.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mehrfachstecker [~aldomansk@p54AFBCF5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] === doko_ [~doko___@dsl-084-059-074-033.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:45] siretart, let me see more if there is more, for now i'm fine with the tool and i think its a cool idea, but ask again if there is more to look at ;) [10:46] ogra: I setup a wiki page for using it [10:46] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU [10:46] wee [10:46] haha, i still looked at http://siretart.tauware.de/review-tool/ [10:47] registration is only via mail by sending me the password (signed mail please) [10:47] ogra: oh, I should remove that page ;) [10:47] so do you have to be a MOTU to upload? [10:47] tseng: no. you just need to be in the revu keyring [10:47] ohoh [10:47] 'just' [10:48] siretart, could you unzip the diff.gz on the fly ? [10:48] yeah, there is no possibility to register automatically for now [10:48] and your demo had the buidlog included, that would be also a nice addition [10:48] ogra: thats a good point for the todo list. yes, no problems [10:48] ogra: I cannot build on my site. this feature will be in the next version hosted by \sh [10:49] ah, great... but we should think about a place in the DC [10:49] DC? [10:49] datacenter [10:49] (canonicals) [10:50] ogra: I'd love to have it more integrated. no problem [10:51] perhaps it could be a part of the launchpad? perhaps that would make authentication easier === hsprang [~henning@d028218.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:51] siretart, i'll talk with mdz and sabdfl about it.... i think for launchpad you would need to integrate it much more with the launchpad infrastructure... lets keep this in mind for v2 ;) [10:52] :) === JanC [~janc@dD5764F11.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === siretart kicks run-parts [11:07] morning [11:07] hi ajmitch [11:07] Heya ajmitch [11:08] ogra: about libsigcx - the conflicts & replaces on 0.5 were already there :) not sure why the build hasn't progressed to the mirrors though [11:08] bddebian: what's up? [11:08] ajmitch: Nothing. :-( You? [11:09] ajmitch, yes, i grokked that later, it must be something with the archive or something holds it back for whatever reason [11:09] siretart: great, so you need my gpg/ssh key & a random password for revu? [11:09] bddebian: sitting at work [11:10] Joy [11:10] ajmitch: thats right [11:10] scripts to automate this are welcome ;) [11:10] siretart: is the password for the website? [11:10] ajmitch: only for that, yes [11:10] since you could do uploads via scp [11:11] I can't automate something which I don't have any source to :) [11:11] hm. in principle, yes. [11:11] ajmitch: oh, thats really no problem *g* [11:11] mentors.debian.net does scp uploads :) [11:11] christoph haas used to hang around here [11:11] ajmitch: do they provide everyone with shell access? [11:11] a long time ago [11:12] nope [11:12] it's ben awhile since I used m.d.n [11:12] hm. I'm using dscverify to verify the changes file [11:12] so I would need a gpg key anyway. [11:12] that should be a good practice for upcoming MOTUs ;) [11:13] got automated lintian reports? [11:13] I could also hack up something for filing debian bugs >:) [11:14] currently, the process_uploads script just verifies if the changes file is correct and copys then all corresponding files to their location [11:14] after that, some hooks are run for extracting the source package, run lintian and do other random things [11:15] right [11:15] but, why doesnt run-parts want to run my shell files.. hrmpf [11:16] aha.. [11:16] chmod +x? [11:16] already done [11:17] aha, they may not end with .sh.. [11:17] strange.. [11:18] siretart: what's your gpg id? [11:18] pub 1024D/945348A4 2005-02-12 Reinhard Tartler [11:18] nevermind, found it on wiki [11:19] hopefully you got the mail.. [11:20] yes, I got it [11:20] hmm, mutt might not have signedf it, one moment :) [11:21] yes :) [11:21] you want it signed? [11:21] would be better. since I need your keyid ;) [11:22] try now.. === ogra just sent a very angry mail to ubuntu-devel.... [11:22] ogra: oh..? [11:22] what have we done wrong? [11:23] ajmitch, read it, not you.... [11:24] will wait for it to show up in inbox [11:24] :) === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:25] can take awhile, I've noticed :) [11:25] ajmitch: your second mail also did not get signed :( [11:26] ah, what is your keyid? [11:26] pff, it should have [11:26] 61434dd6 === Arrogance [~aks@CPE00112f96b894-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:28] hey andrew [11:30] ajmitch: done [11:30] siretart: thanks [11:30] so I ought to be able to login, right? :) [11:32] with username 'ajmitch@ihug.co.nz', yes [11:33] ah right [11:33] I thought you'd have username as ajmitch [11:33] logged in now [11:33] hey Andrew. :) [11:33] perhaps the wiki page should be updated [11:33] ajmitch: you should now be able to comment any upload [11:33] yay [11:34] now I just need to be able to grab uploads easily [11:34] siretart: can I maybe hack on the stylesheet a little bit? [11:34] the advocating feature was intended for NEW uploads, where a upload need 3 reviewers saying 'ok' [11:34] like a master Sources.gz [11:34] tseng: your are perfectly welcome to do so! [11:34] I'll prepare a source tarball [11:35] the orange is a little bit much for me :) [11:35] tseng: :) [11:35] siretart: got open svn access for us all? [11:38] ajmitch: I can give you svn access, if you want [11:39] http://siretart.tauware.de/revu-r30.tar.gz for anyone interested === dholbach [foobar@td9091bb0.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:39] for everyone, hmm. I'll think about it [11:39] HEY [11:39] huhu dholbach [11:40] hey tseng [11:40] :) [11:40] Hello dholbach [11:40] hi siretart [11:40] hey dholbach [11:40] hi dholbach [11:40] did you kick off the review day already? [11:40] dholbach: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ [11:40] dholbach: siretart is the man! [11:40] when does review day start? [11:40] ajmitch: "tommorow" [11:40] 27th all timezones [11:40] since it's the 27th here already [11:40] so here we go! :) [11:40] whenever people start coming [11:41] and has been for nearly 10 hours [11:41] ajmitch, over all timezones ;) [11:41] so it already started :) [11:41] its review day in NZ [11:41] yeah [11:41] fun [11:41] so what shall I grab first? [11:41] tseng: and don't forget sistpoty. he was here today ;) [11:41] i'll start in 20 minutes ;) [11:41] ajmitch, go ahead, start reviewing :) [11:41] that is a very gross nick [11:42] dholbach, its already 27th [11:42] dholbach, you said all TZ :) [11:42] so ajmitch should start reviewing... :) [11:42] yeah, but it'll start in 18 minutes for me [11:42] Yeah ajmitch, do something for once. ;-P === tseng will do a few this time tommorow [11:42] I'll do most of mine tonight [11:43] since I can't take too much time out of work :) [11:43] has MOTUToReview been cleared of old packages? [11:43] like Unfrgiven's iptraf that was uploaded? === ajmitch will start with that, I think :) === ogra still tries to calm down... [11:44] we should move all of them to "done" [11:44] great idea [11:44] ogra: what's wrong [11:44] is "done" really relevant/ [11:44] dholbach, read y last mail to -devel [11:44] ogra: in a minute [11:45] some aren't done, but are just irrelevant [11:45] like the selinux packages by trulux are mostly for main, and handled separately [11:45] i'm really upset... this guy ignores me ... and rants about "universe is unsupported", "you should backup before using universe pgk's" [11:45] haha [11:45] yes. [11:45] grr [11:45] openbox will totally fuck your box, dudes [11:46] what a ignorant *censored* [11:46] heh [11:46] calm down [11:46] Such hostility :-) [11:46] don't feed the troll [11:46] dholbach, i try to... [11:47] go outside, have a cigarette... :) [11:48] :) [11:48] ajmitch: GREAT idea! ;-) [11:49] ok, lathiat's bzflag has been sitting there, not uploaded.. === ajmitch reviews :) [11:51] oh why did the debian maintainer make it a native debian package?? === siretart updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU with all questions (and answers) I got today [11:52] tomboy (0.3.2-4ubuntu7) breezy; urgency=low [11:52] . [11:52] * Rebuild for this weeks d-bus API [11:52] ajmitch: I asked him [11:52] are we having api-of-the-week contests? [11:52] :) [11:52] ajmitch: he is also upstream and releases for debian first [11:52] siretart: an encrypted mail? [11:52] siretart: just because he's also upstream doesn't mean it should be a native package [11:52] dholbach: signed and encrypted would be best [11:52] ok [11:52] since it requires a ~9MB upload for even a spelling mistake in the control file... [11:53] ajmitch: I didn't want to mess with him [11:53] I think I have his email somewhere around here [11:53] Seveas, only for dbus :) [11:54] ajmitch: ah, here: Just that I normally do the debian package before making the actual release tarball. For most releases the two tarballs are identical. [11:55] how very irritating [11:58] I'm still downloading the files to review.. === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu