[02:22] <Mez> grr @ k3b
[09:48] <opi> morning
[09:49] <uniq> morning opi.
[09:57] <JRe> good morning !
[09:58] <uniq> hi jre.
[10:10] <dholbach> hey
[10:11] <dholbach> just wanted to tell: i think we're going to switch to  http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/index.py (explanation on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU)  for reviews soon
[10:11] <dholbach> the world will be a better place afterwards :)
[10:15] <JRe> dholbach: cool :)
[10:15] <dholbach> yeah the wiki was a mess
[10:15] <dholbach> if you meet siretart, be sure to pay him a beer :)
[10:15] <JRe> dholbach: sure! moreover when there was many person in the same time doing a reviez :)
[10:16] <JRe> dholbach: i'll grat him on motu
[10:16] <dholbach> yeah and commenting was a pain
[10:16] <dholbach> it's still in development, but it'll rock in no time
[10:17] <JRe> dholbach: i am wainting with impatience for the lintian/linda/pbuilder automatic test :)
[10:18] <dholbach> haha, you should do that yourself at home already ;)
[10:19] <dholbach> bbl
[10:20] <JRe> dholbach: ;) 
[10:35] <JRe> allee, Riddell : kay v0.4.0 -> http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/devel/kay <- huge ameliorations
[10:35] <allee> JRe: morning
[10:36] <JRe> allee: morning :)
[10:36] <allee> JRe: I'll give kay 0.4 a try tonight
[10:37] <JRe> allee: i wait for your feedback! all that you have requested is in it!
[10:39] <allee> JRe: Whow! Pitty that I have to work for life first.
[10:40] <JRe> allee: lol
[03:38] <uniq> riddell: ping.
[03:38] <Riddell> uniq: hi
[03:39] <uniq> i have kde 3.4.1 debs for amd64.
[03:39] <uniq> kdevelop is missing.. that's all.
[03:39] <Riddell> groovy
[03:39] <uniq> and i'm compiling kdepim hoary2 now.
[03:39] <uniq> to close 8221
[03:39] <uniq> +#
[03:40] <uniq> i'm compiling from a livecd so it's -very- slow.
[03:40] <Riddell> well done
[03:40] <uniq> there are also updated ppc packages to close #8221
[03:41] <uniq> if you just copy the diff from my repo and compile the i386 packages. we've closed it in all arches :)
[03:43] <uniq> it's all under http://frode.kde.no/hoary-updates/
[03:43] <uniq> the amd64 packages are not tested, but it's buildt in a clean pbuilder setup.
[03:47] <uniq> i've also done some work on ipodslave. separating the header files into it's own package. didn't bother to make a package for each lib. it would be 3 packages with 2 files in each.. 
[03:48] <uniq> got some more cleaning up to do before i publish that package.. though.
[03:51] <uniq> and i'm also looking at kio-apt but it don't know if we want it. it's just searching like apt-cache does.. and kynaptic already does that.. in a way. no options to install packages or anything.
[03:52] <uniq> might just get confusing to be able to do the same things 10 different places.
[04:43] <Riddell> uniq: yes, kio-apt is wanted.  I think kalyxo already packages
[04:43] <Riddell> uniq: poke me if I don't get round to looking at your amd64 and kdepim packages today, currently in the middle of hal fun
[05:22] <uniq> riddell: ok, i have kio-apt packaged already. just have to do some ubuntu spesific changes. make a patch to use packages.ubuntu.com instead of packages.debian.org, and remove some of the arches. etc. enjoy the hal fun.
[05:38] <pef> hello
[05:39] <Riddell> hello pef 
[05:45] <Riddell> hello spierrel 
[05:46] <spierrel> Hi...
[05:47] <spierrel> Oh... There is also, I find the time the work of Christian Marillat which needs to be available for kubuntu...
[05:47] <spierrel> The good thing is that I can ask him how he did the job (we live in the same city...)
[05:48] <Riddell> spierrel: I think backports may be doing Marillat stuff
[05:48] <spierrel> Yes, should be enough...
[05:49] <Riddell> maybe Mez knows
[05:49] <spierrel> Ok...
[05:49] <Mez> ...?
[05:50] <Riddell> Mez: is backports doing marillat?  or was that just malitious rumours I heard?
[05:51] <Mez> on fone
[05:52] <spierrel> ...:))
[05:52] <JRe> lol
[05:52] <Mez> backports have taken a coouple of things from marillat and rebuilt for hoary... but thats all
[05:53] <JRe> Mez: what sort of things ?
[05:53] <Mez> acroread I think
[05:54] <Mez> I'm not too familiar with marillat
[05:54] <Mez> so you need to ask JohnDong not me
[05:54] <spierrel> Just a stupid question not to sleep dumb tonight: there are no binaries of breezy? Only the deb-src seems to work for me...
[05:54] <Riddell> spierrel: certainly are binaries
[05:54] <JRe> Mez: oki :)
[05:54] <spierrel> Riddell: May you give me your apt line for the binaries...
[05:54] <uniq> spierrel: depends on your architecture i guess.
[05:55] <spierrel> A i386 compatible... (PIV 2,4 Ghz - 1,5 Gb RAM)...
[05:55] <Riddell> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted
[05:55] <Mez> why do you ask JRe?
[05:56] <spierrel> After, I have a G3 to compile for...
[05:56] <JRe> no because there is some packages of Marillat which have license issues IIRC
[05:56] <spierrel> Riddell: It works...
[05:56] <Mez> ah fair enough
[05:56] <Mez> well backports will have to be rebuilt anyways
[05:57] <Mez> for sdtuff to do with the buildd
[05:57] <spierrel> About the packages of Christian, some of them have issue and that's why they are not in the main stream... and the main servers...
[05:57] <JRe> that's why i thinked
[05:57] <JRe> s/why/what/
[05:57] <spierrel> But they are plainly useful... For example the w32codecs...
[05:58] <Mez> w32codecs = in backports
[05:58] <spierrel> Good news!
[05:58] <JRe> ;)
[05:59] <spierrel> Ok... If it can be useful, I will check what is not done and tell you what I can work on... (kmldonkey, kmymoney2, kdissert...)
[05:59] <Mez> I think it might be in the hoary-extra actually
[05:59] <JRe> but w32codec can be in official ubuntu repo ?
[06:00] <Mez> ??
[06:00] <JRe> IIRC on debian it's not on the official repo you have to add the personnal marillat website to get it
[06:00] <Mez> thats rtue about debian
[06:00] <spierrel> Mez, JRe: It should be checked (about w32codec)
[06:00] <JRe> because some of them are illegal
[06:00] <spierrel> JRe: Why illegal?
[06:00] <JRe> license
[06:01] <JRe> like the thing to read dvd i don't know if it's legal ;)
[06:01] <Mez> everything will be cecked... we still need to sort stuff out with TB and CC about Backports yet, we havent got things finalised properly
[06:01] <spierrel> JRe: It depens the place you live! We are French and it's legal for us...
[06:01] <JRe> spierrel: ok!
[06:01] <Mez> spierrel, hence multiverse :D
[06:02] <spierrel> But I agree with you if you live in the States or may be GB...
[06:02] <Mez> hence multiverse ....
[06:02] <Mez> *yawns*#
[06:02] <Mez> anyways ... 
[06:02] <Mez> Im suire TB and CC will sort all this out with us :D 
[06:02] <Mez> so... for now
[06:02] <Mez> to bed!
[06:02] <spierrel> Ok... Your version of kexi is quite old... I will install the source and build the last stable version (0.9)...
[06:02] <JRe> Mez: i am not worried to ;)
[06:03] <spierrel> Mez: where do you live?
[06:03] <Mez> UK
[06:03] <Mez> my gf is ere
[06:03] <spierrel> Ok... :))
[06:03] <JRe> Mez: in shot you live where your girlfrien id ;)
[06:03] <JRe> s/id/is/
[06:03] <JRe> s/shot/short/
[06:04] <spierrel> I build the 0.9... 
[06:49] <Riddell> w32codecs isn't legal anywhere
[07:03] <JRe> Riddell: that's why i thinked
[07:04] <froud> anyone got any good documents on shell scripting with DCOP?
[07:04] <Riddell> froud: what do you want to do?
[07:06] <froud> learn DCOP
[07:06] <froud> I just discovered it :-)
[07:06] <JRe> how it's not reserved to shell script 
[07:06] <JRe> you can also call it from a regular application
[07:06] <froud> so tought there may be some good docs to get me going
[07:07] <froud> JRe: that's my point I dont know what I can do with it :-)
[07:07] <JRe> froud: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/dot/dcopiface/dcop-interface.html
[07:07] <JRe> to create an interface
[07:07] <JRe> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-dcop/index.html?ca=dgr-kdeml01KDEDCOP
[07:07] <JRe> to use it  ;)
[07:08] <froud> JRe: thanks dude
[07:08] <JRe> froud: you're welcome ;)
[07:09] <JRe> froud: after you can read some source code of app using dcop 
[07:10] <JRe> froud: kdcop is a good start point ;)
[07:11] <JRe> (i am reading libkonq at the moment it's very educative!)
[07:32] <elmo> Riddell: eh, why split out the mp3 thing?
[07:32] <Riddell> elmo: because we can't have mp3 in main
[07:34] <Riddell> previous builds didn't have mp3 decoding at all, which is complained about a lot
[07:34] <elmo> Riddell: says who?
[07:34] <elmo> there's existing precedent for mp3 in main
[07:34] <elmo> decode, obviously
[07:34] <Riddell> elmo: mdz
[07:35] <Riddell> same reason we have akode-mpeg package
[07:36] <pef> Should I use debhelper or cdbs to build packages for kubuntu ? Some people advise me to use cdbs, what's your point of view ?
[07:37] <Riddell> pef: personal prefernece.  cdbs hides a lot of what's going on which can be tidy or can be obscure
[07:37] <elmo> Riddell: would k3b be on the kubuntu CD?
[07:37] <Riddell> pef: if you're just starting with packaging you should learn debhelper stuff first
[07:37] <Riddell> elmo: yes
[07:37] <pef> so there are no recommendations ?
[07:37] <elmo> Riddell: ok, but the point is not that we can't have mp3 decode in main, it's that we can't ship it on the CD
[07:37] <Riddell> pef: probably best to learn debhelper then do cdbs
[07:38] <elmo> Riddell: so please don't split unless it would put mp3 decode on the CD
[07:38] <Riddell> elmo: yes.  but in this case it does go on CD
[07:39] <elmo> Riddell: ok, but you said earlier we can't have mp3 in main - we definitely can; that's my point
[07:39] <pef> Riddell, debhelper/cdbs is ~ to LaTeX/TeX  about level of abstraction ?
[07:39] <pef> TeX/LaTeX sorry
[07:41] <Riddell> elmo: sure, sorry for the confusion
[07:41] <Riddell> pef: I guess so (not being a tex user)
[07:42] <Riddell> pef: debhelper hides a lot behind all the dh_* scripts, and cdbs hides all those
[07:43] <pef> Riddell, so debhelper is more suitable for my first kubuntu package ?
[07:44] <Riddell> pef: yes, if you don't learn debhelper you'll get stuck with cdbs quickly
[07:44] <pef> Riddell, thank you ;)
[07:51] <Riddell> hello mart 
[07:51] <mart> hi
[07:52] <Riddell> mart: going to become an elite kubuntu developer?
[07:52] <mart> heh, I only popped in to see if the topic said anything about the cxx transition...
[07:53] <Riddell> mart: it's all done pretty much
[07:54] <mart> yeah?  I was looking at the wiki and figured best not to pull from breezy just yet...
[07:58] <mart> so aptitude says it will remove these if I dist-upgrade: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ydCQgs62.html
[07:58] <mart> reckon it's worth a go :)
[07:58] <mart> ?
[07:59] <Riddell> mart: they all look fine
[07:59] <Riddell> they're all replaced with differently named packages in breezy, e.g. kdelibs4 is kdelibs4c2
[07:59] <mart> well, I'm holding you accountable when my machine breaks, Mr. Riddell !
[08:00] <Riddell> kde will be fine, it's X that's likely to break.  don't blame me for that :)
[08:05] <mart> Fetched 635MB in 4m38s (2283kB/s) :)
[08:06] <Riddell> mart: oh for access to superjanet again
[08:58] <mart> Riddell: well, that was a blast.  although to be fair, you got it spot on - X upgrade just didn't work at all
[08:59] <allee> mart: I can confirm that X breaks ;) fixing by hand again ... :(
[09:02] <mart> font's moving, and packages with overlapping sets of files got me, but hey g++ -v looks good :)
[11:08] <dholbach> you can begin to use REVU ( http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ ) now
[11:08] <dholbach> we consider it to be ready :)
[11:08] <dholbach> ready enough ;)
[11:12] <uniq> ok. maybe i should add ipodslave to it then.
[11:13] <dholbach> yeah, write a signed mail to siretart@tauware.de, he'll add you to the uploaders for it
[11:13] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU knows it all
[11:13] <uniq> just found out.
[11:14] <dholbach> cool
[11:17] <uniq> siretart just got mail.
[11:17] <dholbach> ah, my bad: you are already in #ubuntu-motu :)
[11:17] <dholbach> well, i wanted to announce it here as well
[11:18] <uniq> i'm not following the discussion in -motu all the time. :)
[11:19] <dholbach> yeah, it was just because we were talking about a third person, but we were "in a room" with him at the same time ;)
[11:19] <uniq> ah.. heh :)