[12:02] <uniq> well, the file /proc/ide/ttyy7/media: should not exist.
[12:03] <Far^Side|laptop> I guess so, but the error messages scrolls so fast over the screen, I'm unable to see the first line and scroll lock doesn't work
[12:03] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: ^
[12:03] <h> Hi
[12:04] <uniq> far^side|laptop: it can be the initrd image is broken. even though i don't think so.
[12:04] <uniq> far^side|laptop: all kernels give the same error? 
[12:04] <uniq> which kernel versions do you have installed? 
[12:04] <uniq> ls -1 /boot
[12:05] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: yes
[12:06] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: 2.6.10-5-386 
[12:06] <Far^Side|laptop> 11-1-686 and -k7
[12:06] <Far^Side|laptop> 12-2-386 (breezy ver)
[12:08] <Far^Side|laptop> every kernel is 2.6.x
[12:08] <KaiL_> the 2.6.11 are known to make problems
[12:09] <troy> seems to boot just fine on the laptop from the live-cd... going to attack it with the install cd next ...
[12:09] <troy> I like it though :)
[12:09] <Far^Side|laptop> KaiL_: well, the 2.6.10 didn't work either. 
[12:09] <liz4rd> troy: :)
[12:10] <troy> hopefully my gf will like it too.... her install of XP is b0rked, and she cannot find her Compaq recovery disks...
[12:10] <liz4rd> heh
[12:16] <uniq> far^side|laptop: well.. i don't have anymore bright ideas. it could be a udev issue though. if you can backup your important data (/home) i suggest reinstalling. it'll probably save you some time. (i should have recommended that in the firstplace.)
[12:16] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: ok... 
[12:17] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: well, thank you so much for the help so far. (To bad it fscked in the end)
[12:17] <uniq> happy to help you destroy your system :)
[12:18] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: lol
[12:18] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: rm -rf / is a easier way though
[12:18] <Far^Side|laptop> but it might be more fatale
[12:21] <_merc> man konversation is fugly
[12:22] <nikkia> merc, that's why i prefer kvirc :P
[12:28] <john_> i modprobed vesafb, rebooted, and i'm stuck at 640x480, despite no changes in xorg.conf.  i ran modprobe -r vesafb to remove it, but when restarting x, i'm still at 640.  any ideas?
[12:40] <gdh> john_: have you ever had X run at a res higher than 640 ?
[12:48] <john_> yeah, i was at 1024 before...
[12:48] <john_> which file specifies modules to be loaded at boot?
[12:50] <gdh> none - 'discover' automatically detects the relevant modules to be loaded
[12:51] <gdh> john_: If it worked before, have you tried a proper power-off (with the power cable out for 30 seconds) to ensure your gfx card has fully reset?
[12:51] <john_> @gdh - fbcon and atyfb weren't loaded before i decided to modprobe them....
[12:51] <john_> yeah, i did.
[12:51] <john_> after modprobe/reboot, they show in lsmod.
[12:52] <john_> isn't that how it's supposed to work?  or is modprobe per-session?
[12:52] <gdh> modprobe is just per-session
[12:52] <gdh> few people need/want framebuffer support
[12:52] <gdh> since X does 'its own thing'
[12:52] <john_> no tv-out on my card....
[12:53] <gdh> there's likely to be a magic X 'Option' to fix that...
[12:53] <gdh> what X driver name do you use?
[12:53] <john_> ati
[12:53] <john_> it's a radeon7500
[12:53] <pod> wow
[12:53] <gdh> 'ati' is the non-free binary one, yeh?
[12:54] <john_> it's what was loaded by default.  i'm not sure.
[12:54] <john_> i've had radeon installed on fc4, i think...same behavior, tho.
[12:55] <john_> well...i'm going to try adding those modules to blacklist.  we'll see, i guess...
[12:55] <gdh> john_: If you run " grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf " do you see 'Driver "ati" ' ?
[12:55] <john_> i haven't grep'ed it, but nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf shows it.
[12:56] <gdh> Am just trying to look at the manpage for options
[12:56] <gdh> certainly the framebuffer driver has a 'Mirror' options
[12:56] <gdh> which seems to be related to tv out
[12:56] <john_> "ati" framebuffer driver?
[12:56] <gdh> no, 'radeonfb'
[12:57] <gdh> So I suppose that's a 'yes' :))
[12:57] <john_> oh.  couldn't get that going.  blanked my monitor from x, and wouldn't load from console.
[12:57] <gdh> ah you were jh0n2 ....
[12:57] <john_> ;)
[12:58] <john_> from what i read, my best bet is vidixfb, or trying to set my monitor hsync/etc to the same as ntsc tv.
[12:58] <john_> might just be time to buy a new card.
[12:58] <pod> Anyone have a Haupagge nova-t with kubuntu or unbuntu?
[12:59] <john_> well.  reboot with blacklisted modules.  need to get out of 640 before anything else.  ;)  thx for the help so far.  bbl.
[12:59] <gdh> Getting quality TV out is difficult :)
[12:59] <gdh> pod; there are at least 3 different 'Nova-T' models
[12:59] <gdh> totally different hardware, same brandname / model...
[12:59] <gdh> Hauppauge++
[12:59] <pod> Oh lol
[12:59] <gdh> ://
[12:59] <pod> :D
[01:00] <pod> Any idea about the differences?
[01:00] <gdh> Fortunately, all of them are supported by the linux DVB driver
[01:00] <gdh> look on the card itself for the chip names.. TDA10046 maybe?
[01:01] <pod> Yeah, but whats the diff between the different chipsets?
[01:02] <gdh> hauppauge change chips based on what's cheap + popular, basically.. they all do the same job, just they change hardware to 'keep it interesting'
[01:02] <nikkia> gdh, they're 'today's ATI' :P
[01:02] <gdh> :))
[01:02] <nikkia> i remember when the Mach series had a different core every week 'just for fun'
[01:03] <pod> lol! typical
[01:03] <nikkia> in fact, we ordered 25 identical spec Gateways with Mach64s that were 'linux supported' for a render farm, there was 4 different Mach64 cores in the shipped machines
[01:03] <john_> hm.
[01:03] <pod> How hot do they get? I had a 550 pro a few weeks ago added least 8C to case temps and was burning hot to touch
[01:03] <gdh> nikkia: Feel the quality :(
[01:03] <nikkia> only 1 of which was supported by the linux ati drivers of the time
[01:03] <john_> where other than xorg.conf is resolution determined?
[01:03] <nikkia> (bear in mind, this was 1994ish)
[01:04] <gdh> john_: It isn't. xorg.conf is the source.
[01:04] <nikkia> john, if you have vesafb loaded (either manually, or by vga= on the kernel boot line) it will lock you to the defined fb resolution
[01:04] <gdh> john_: You can try to do something shitty like add         HorizSync       30-70 to the 'Section "Monitor"'
[01:04] <nikkia> john, you don't have Xorg's driver set to use the framebuffer do you ?
[01:05] <john_> no.  xorg='ati'
[01:05] <gdh> john_: I use 1024x768 at 85Hz and 70khz VGA bandwidth is enough for that
[01:05] <john_> let me ask this...how do i test the framebuffer?
[01:05] <nikkia> jonh, got vga= on your kernel boot line ?
[01:05] <john_> because i don't see /dev/fb0
[01:05] <nikkia> tbh, i wouldn't, i've never found the framebuffer worth using
[01:05] <liz4rd> is it just me or are the repos down
[01:05] <john_> yeah, i didn't before this happened.
[01:05] <nikkia> it locks you to resolutions, and it causes lockups on some cards
[01:07] <gdh> I've only played with fb because of VDR / DVB stuff software mpeg2 decoding
[01:07] <john_> xorg.conf is loaded on each startx, right?
[01:08] <nikkia> yes
[01:08] <nikkia> but if the fb is loaded in the modules list, it will stay loaded til reboot
[01:08] <nikkia> rmmod'ing it rarely, if ever, works
[01:08] <john_> rmmod?
[01:08] <john_> remove module?  = modprobe -r?
[01:08] <nikkia> yeah
[01:09] <nikkia> <= not used to this modern 'modprobe does everything' approach :P
[01:09] <nikkia> i'm still used to insmod and rmmod
[01:09] <john_> here's the other thing - i added vesafb, fbcon and atyfb to the blacklist, and they still show in lsmod.
[01:09] <nikkia> john, hmmmm
[01:10] <john_> also ... the logon screen is smaller res too...isn't that before x?
[01:10] <john_> so it'd be something before xorg.conf?
[01:11] <nikkia> john, that's kdm, it uses X so uses Xorg.conf too
[01:11] <john_> drat.  :/
[01:11] <uniq> good night.
[01:12] <nikkia> i still suspect you have a vga= on yoru kernel command line
[01:12] <nikkia> night uniq
[01:12] <john_> which is in /boot/grub   ?
[01:12] <nikkia> john, yeah, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:12] <john_> one sec.
[01:12] <lahbib> salut
[01:13] <lahbib> y'a qlq qui parle francais ????
[01:13] <john_> nope.  just ro quiet splash
[01:13] <nikkia> hmm
[01:13] <lahbib> hahahahahha
[01:14] <lahbib> please..
[01:14] <john_> the last change i made between boots was installing vidix.  it was my first install from .tar.bz2
[01:14] <john_> how do i uninstall something i manually installed?
[01:14] <Witigonen> Hey all, I'm having a bit of trouble with wireless networking.  The card is detected and an IP address has been assigned, I can ping the router, but I can't ping anything external, on the 'net.  
[01:14] <nikkia> john,  you carefully delete all the files it installed, manually :/
[01:14] <john_> oof.
[01:14] <gdh> john: do another 'make install' and watch what it does :/
[01:14] <lahbib> tchawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[01:14] <john_> alright.  thx.
[01:15] <gdh> hopefully it'll only have put crap in /usr/local
[01:15] <gdh> so easy enough to find
[01:15] <john_> brb
[01:15] <nikkia> john, if you're VERY VERY lucky, you can try 'make uninstall'
[01:15] <nikkia> that's not in the least common for makefiles to support tho
[01:15] <gdh> aye, make uninstall are few and far between
[01:15] <john_> where do i run that from?
[01:15] <gdh> the same place you typed 'make install' from
[01:15] <nikkia> john, same place you did 'make install'
[01:15] <john_> ok.  thx.
[01:16] <nikkia> uploading 158MB of tar.bz2..... at 12KB/s :(
[01:16] <Witigonen> Is it a DNS issue, maybe?
[01:16] <john_> will there be an error if make uninstall doesn't work?
[01:16] <nikkia> witi, if you try to ping somewhere, say www.yahoo.com  what happens ?
[01:16] <nikkia> does it try, or does it say 'host not found' ?
[01:16] <john_> i got some output.
[01:16] <Witigonen> nikkia, unknown host.
[01:17] <nikkia> witi, then its a DNS issue
[01:17] <Witigonen> nikkia, but the DNS servers should be assigned automatically via dhcp, right?  
[01:17] <nikkia> *some* wireless routers return bogus DNS stuff in dhcp requests :/
[01:17] <nikkia> some wired ones too, for that matter
[01:18] <Witigonen> nikkia, under DNS on the Network Settings tab of control center, there isn't anything entered. 
[01:18] <nikkia> witi, that'd be it then
[01:18] <nikkia> witi, you can manually put the entries in /etc/resolv.conf, but...
[01:18] <gdh> Witigonen: can you ping IP adddreses? e.g. 194.46.0.1 ?
[01:18] <Witigonen> Very strange that it isn't grabbing them via dhcp.
[01:18] <nikkia> chances are next time you do a DHCP request, they'll get trashed
[01:19] <nikkia> there is a way in /etc/network/interfaces to append manually specified details to resolv.conf when the interface comes up
[01:19] <Witigonen> gdh: I can.
[01:19] <troy> I'm feeling like a dummy right now, but what is the default root password after install?
[01:20] <nikkia> troy, * :P
[01:20] <nikkia> ie, use sudo/kdesu/gnome-su and your user password
[01:21] <troy> hrm? *tries it*
[01:21] <Witigonen> troy, it's what you entered in as your user password - k/ubuntu uses sudo rather than an actual root user.
[01:21] <gdh> troy 'sudo -i' gives you a root shell
[01:21] <gdh> please try not to be lame with it
[01:21] <nikkia> gdh, whats the difference between -i and -s ?
[01:21] <gdh> -i does the whole ENVironment
[01:21] <nikkia> oh, login vs shell
[01:21] <gdh> paths and whatnot
[01:23] <Witigonen> Hm. My network cards can't be enabled at boot.  And the actual wired one to another computer isn't working at all.
[01:23] <nikkia> witi, yeah, isn't hotplug 'fun' ?
[01:24] <nikkia> witi, most likely you need to add a 'map' line to /etc/network/interfaces, and hope it works
[01:24] <gdh> plug and pray applies to Linux as well as Windows :)
[01:24] <nikkia> gdh, when hotplug is involved, it certainly seems to
[01:24] <nikkia> i don't really get it either, the 'auto' keyword in interfaces seemed to work fine
[01:24] <gdh> nikkia: every time I boot I can see a roulette wheel being spun...
[01:24] <nikkia> gdh, no, do not go there
[01:25] <Witigonen> Hmm... it all seems to be set up correctly there.
[01:25] <mrmanic> gdh: is that a bootsplash?  I want it!  EYECANDY ME!
[01:25] <nikkia> gdh, i program video gambling games for a living, i am working on a roulette machine *right now*
[01:25] <gdh> mrmanic: silly man :))
[01:25] <john_> if i want to blacklist a module, just add modulename to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, correct?
[01:25] <gdh> nikkia: haha as long as tehre's a back door so you always win, then it must be worthwhile :)
[01:25] <nikkia> gdh, nah, i like living
[01:25] <gdh> just needs the right sequence of nudges... =)
[01:26] <nikkia> at very least, i'm attached to my kneecaps, and i'd like it to stay that way
[01:26] <gdh> haha :) ETOODODGY
[01:26] <Witigonen> Gah, now the Control Center won't even let me access administrator mode.
[01:27] <nikkia> gdh, at least this project runs on linux, unlike most of the stuff i work with
[01:28] <gdh> there's a FAQ? :)
[01:33] <Witigonen> It fails on deconfiguring the network interfaces on shutdown, too.
[01:33] <MrVoid> For the life of me I can't get dhcp to work, can anyone help me out?
[01:34] <Witigonen> MrVoid, I'm having DHCP issues too, what's up?
[01:34] <MrVoid> ah well, i want it to work
[01:34] <nikkia> dhcp sucks, tbh
[01:35] <gdh> DHCP is lovely :)
[01:35] <MrVoid> i have my xp machine and my ubuntu machine both running of a hub, the xp works, but ubuntu has yet to work
[01:35] <gdh> Makes my life so much easier
[01:35] <nikkia> gdh, arp is technically better, but a pain to setup
[01:35] <nikkia> and once you have a working radvd server, nothing is easier than getting IPv6 working :)
[01:35] <Witigonen> Why wouldn't Control Center let me get into administrator mode?
[01:36] <gdh> nikkia: we do CTI based on IP address matchig to a phone extension, so knowing which IP is where is essential =)
[01:36] <MrVoid> i thought the way to restart dhcp was sudo ./networking restart in /init.d
[01:36] <gdh> MAC address -> IP binding is a must...
[01:36] <Witigonen> It always just returns me to the last top-level thing I was looking at.
[01:36] <gdh> nikkia :  And it's kinda hard to set a static IP address on a diskless PXE boot workstation :)
[01:36] <nikkia> gdh, IPv6 w/radvd makes that even easier
[01:37] <gdh> nikkia: Sounds like incredible overkill =)
[01:37] <nikkia> gdh, your IP with radvd is based on your MAC
[01:37] <gdh> nikkia: More essentially, it sounds like stuff I don't need to know yet =)
[01:37] <nikkia> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:02:2D:8B:59:B2
[01:38] <nikkia> inet6 addr: 3ffe:80ee:33e6:1:202:2dff:fe8b:59b2
[01:38] <nikkia> spot the pattern
[01:38] <Witigonen> GPHemsley, are you getting an IP at all?
[01:38] <MrVoid> heck, if someone told me how to manually enter my subnet address, gateway, ip, and dns servers i'd just do that
[01:38] <MrVoid> or how to restart dhcp
[01:38] <GPHemsley> Witigonen: No, I have an internal IP of 192.168.1.103
[01:38] <nikkia> mrvoid, 'man interfaces'
[01:39] <gdh> nikkia: Assumes the rest of the network is IP6 aware- a bold assumption.
[01:39] <nikkia> gdh, thats what v4tunnels are for
[01:40] <nikkia> besides, if more companies realise the benefits, we might start to see ISPs care more
[01:40] <gdh> heh :) give it 5 years or so...
[01:40] <gdh> only when necessity forces change will change occur
[01:40] <nikkia> or router manufacturers that care enough to put tunneling within their routers
[01:41] <nikkia> gdh, it'll happen soon
[01:41] <nikkia> gdh, there is an explosion in IP address demand going to happen in the next year or two
[01:41] <nikkia> and there just aren't enough IPv4 addresses left
[01:42] <gdh> Can I put a vote for just taking IP addreses away from AOL and allocating them to new ISPs ?
[01:42] <nikkia> gdh, most of the companies i deal with want to have internet services available from 'POS' devices in pubs, clubs, bookies, etc
[01:42] <gdh> or especially taking them from Apple's 17/8 which they're always so bloody vitriolic about
[01:43] <nikkia> gdh, atm, they're using ISDN -> central office -> NAT, but its starting to be a major hassle maintaining a huge pipe that can cope with all that traffic
[01:43] <MrVoid> ok windows xp on the same machine works fine, why isn't ubuntu able to use dhcp?
[01:44] <nikkia> gdh, one of the companies i deal with, is looking at iTMS downloads in public places for ipod users, that alone will generate a LOT of traffic
[01:44] <gdh> nikkia: Some ADSL / BT Central pipe sounds right for that...
[01:44] <nikkia> gdh, you still need BT to put ADSL lines behind NAT
[01:44] <nikkia> gdh, there isn't enough IP space to allocate them all 'real' IP addresses
[01:45] <GPHemsley> For Slackware, it was suggested (and this is a while back) to type 'ifconfig eth0 up'... Does that apply here?
[01:45] <gdh> If you are hosting the BT Central, the IP addressing is entirely up to yourself, yes...
[01:45] <gdh> GPHemsley: ifdown eth0 / ifup eth0 
[01:45] <nikkia> gdh, getting BT to support IPv6, and using that would be easier, especially since BT *do* support IPv6, they just don't allow anyone access to it
[01:45] <gdh> GPHemsley: it's 'aware' of /etc/network/interfaces
[01:46] <gdh> nikkia: Yeh, I have the capability to use ipv6 on BT Wholesale ADSL by running a standalone USB modem and use the pppoe userspace tools
[01:46] <GPHemsley> gdh: Permission denied
[01:46] <gdh> nikkia: But I personally have no need for v6 yet
[01:46] <gdh> GPHemsley: prefix with 'sudo' 
[01:46] <GPHemsley> k
[01:47] <nikkia> gdh, no, i mean BT have serious IPv6 infrastructure, hiding behind the 'BTexact' R&D banner
[01:47] <gdh> GPHemsley: all stuff like that needs root privs, which is what sudo (pseudo) gives you
[01:47] <GPHemsley> gdh: hmm... already configured
[01:47] <nikkia> gdh, they just don't seem to want to roll it out
[01:47] <gdh> nikkia: Yeh, no need, no demand, no point :)
[01:47] <gdh> that's business.
[01:47] <nikkia> gdh, yeah, i spose
[01:47] <nikkia> gdh, but as i said, i think the demand is *almost* there
[01:47] <gdh> they're not the BBC :)
[01:48] <gdh> It'll take at least a year or two before v6 becomes a commodity
[01:48] <gdh> longer than that for it to transit to a standard feature... 
[01:48] <gdh> and no useful website in the world will want to be v6-only for many many years yet
[01:48] <gdh> for fear of losing traffic to legacy sites
[01:49] <nikkia> gdh, true
[01:49] <gdh> what's the score with Windows and v6 ? when does the support start in the stack? 
[01:49] <nikkia> not that it'd matter anyway, you'd just see things like NTL's trans-proxy doing auto-IPv4/IPv6 conversion
[01:49] <gdh> 2000? XP ?
[01:49] <nikkia> gdh, 98
[01:49] <gdh> Seriously? wow.
[01:49] <nikkia> 2000 before it was installed by default tho
[01:50] <gdh> nikkia: Hah, ntl's 'translucent proxies' are a seperate kettle of fish :)
[01:50] <nikkia> 98 requires you to add support from the CD
[01:50] <nikkia> gdh, that's one nice thing about IPv6, it completely bypasses NTL's trans-proxies :)
[01:50] <gdh> I'm glad I'm on telewest, (not only because TW have no monthly caps...)
[01:51] <gdh> the numer of times I had to view websites and manually tack on "?weiruewrouewr" to URLs...
[01:51] <nikkia> i use ipv4.sixxs.org to get around IP bans on NTL's proxies :)
[01:51] <gdh> just so their fuqn proxy would reload the page properly
[01:52] <gdh> the concept of the inevitable ntl / telewest merger / takeover worries me re: monthly caps
[01:52] <gdh> I guess I'll just go back to ADSL if it happens :)
[01:52] <nikkia> gdh, NTL don't enforce their caps, yet, anyway
[01:53] <nikkia> if they start enforcing them, i'll go back to DSL too
[01:53] <gdh> I know a couple of guys who got the warning letters and had their accounts suspended for a month
[01:53] <nikkia> altho i might give it a month for them to see the max exodus and change their mind :P
[01:53] <nikkia> weird, i'm almost constantly BT'ing and i haven't had any letter
[01:53] <gdh> ah, no my mistake.. that was because they were doing the 'gold.cm' Motorola SurfBoard hack :)
[01:54] <gdh> I mean, if you're going to set your download/upload to 10Mb / 768kb... it's not surprising you're going to get caught
[01:54] <gdh> fuqn retards
[01:55] <gdh> I gave up on bittorrent . I love usenet :)
[01:55] <gdh> I get full-speed all the time from news.blueyonder.co.uk
[01:56] <nikkia> i get full speed on most of my torrents
[01:56] <nikkia> but thats because they tend to be small tight-knit community sites
[01:56] <gdh> Still infiltratable, still easily trackable :/
[01:56] <nikkia> true
[01:56] <gdh> that put me right off it all
[01:57] <nikkia> but so is usenet, ultimately
[01:57] <gdh> Yeh, but a single /large/ point of tracability
[01:57] <PenguinBoy> hey guys
[01:57] <nikkia> gdh, that's not necessarily a positive point :)
[01:57] <gdh> imagine the press coverage of 'TW happily gives out customer usage data'
[01:57] <gdh> <droves cancel accounts>
[01:58] <nikkia> gdh, its happened before
[01:58] <gdh> either way, even if the risk is the same, BTorrent was too much like hard work :) www.newzbin.com is my friend :)
[01:59] <PenguinBoy> is newzbin a p2p?
[01:59] <gdh> no
[01:59] <gdh> read their site :)
[01:59] <gdh> purely an index
[01:59] <PenguinBoy> lol
[02:00] <nikkia> gdh, just wait until the MPAA claim ownership of message-IDs just like they have md5sums :)
[02:02] <gdh> haha :) I was interested to read about MS's BitTorrent clone by basically distributing PAR-files instead of archive data..
[02:02] <gdh> I can expect that to be patented soon, then
[02:05] <nikkia> 30meg done, 128meg to go, i hope its done by 8am, as the guy that gets in first has a habit of assuming any network slowness == crashed win2k3 and rebooting the server
[02:05] <nikkia> he did it once on a co-worker that was 300MB in on a 700MB upload, he literally cried
[02:06] <gdh> no resume?
[02:06] <nikkia> i dunno about mine, but he didn't, no, lousy IIS ftp server
[02:07] <gdh> classy
[02:07] <nikkia> i'm using sftp, i've never had the oppurtunity of seeing how it handles resume
[02:07] <gdh> worth a couple of minutes of experiments just so you know for future
[02:08] <dwmurphy> uniq: are you doing any more of the x64 stuff right now? or is there enough for a core upgrade?
[02:08] <nikkia> i think uniq's sleeping right now :)
[02:08] <nikkia> he said 'good night' about an hour ago, anyway
[02:09] <dwmurphy> buh
[02:09] <dwmurphy> k. thanks :)
[02:11] <nikkia> dear god, i think i just feel thru a time portal
[02:11] <nikkia> fell, even
[02:12] <nikkia> a milkman's van just drove past, i didn't think anywhere around here had milk delivered since the 80s :)
[02:13] <dwmurphy> maybe it is the FBI (Flowers By Irene)
[02:13] <nikkia> dw, they're WAAAY out of their jurisdiction here, tho that's never stopped them before
[02:13] <dwmurphy> so the cia then :)
[02:15] <nikkia> dw, it could just have been a milkman, its not outside the realms of possibility
[02:15] <nikkia> unlikely, yes...
[02:16] <dwmurphy> well that's just no fun ;)
[02:17] <nikkia> actually, its kind of late/early? for a milkman anyway
[02:17] <nikkia> don't they normally come out of their coffins at something more like 5am ?
[02:18] <PenguinBoy> welcome pobstil!
[02:19] <pobstil> PenguinBoy!!
[02:19] <pobstil> how are you?
[02:21] <nikkia> anyway, i better go to bed
[02:26] <deadlyshadow> Hey guys.
[02:26] <deadlyshadow> Kubuntu freezes after running it for a while, can anyone help me with that?
[02:29] <pobstil> everytime?
[02:29] <deadlyshadow> Yes.
[02:35] <deadlyshadow> Is it because I didn't put a Swap partition or whatever?
[02:36] <Mez> deadlyshadow, how much RAM does the machine that is freezing up have?
[02:39] <PenguinBoy> hey hey hey kalenedrael!!!
[02:39] <deadlyshadow> 512MB
[02:39] <deadlyshadow> Sorry.
[02:40] <deadlyshadow> Making food. :)
[02:41] <Mez> deadlyshadow, It shouldnt cause much of a problem... can you switch to any consoles (ctrl alt f1) for example when it freezes?
[02:42] <deadlyshadow> Don't know.
[02:42] <deadlyshadow> But I'm surprised I've been on so long, it usually freezes.
[02:42] <Mez> lol
[02:42] <deadlyshadow> Twice in like 30 minutes. :)
[02:44] <kalenedrael> hello
[02:45] <Mez> hello kalenedrael 
[02:45] <Mez> and /me slaps PenguinBoy 
[02:45] <kalenedrael> haha
[02:46] <kalenedrael> yeah, i just installed the new nvidia drivers... now i can actually use opengl apps
[02:46] <PenguinBoy> lol
[02:46] <Mez> congrats kalenedrael 
[02:47] <Mez> Mex?
[02:47] <PenguinBoy> Mez
[02:47] <Mez> :P
[02:47] <Mez> Mexican Mez!
[02:47] <PenguinBoy> lol
[02:47] <PenguinBoy> como esta usted, Senor Mez?
[02:47] <PenguinBoy> what r u doing pobstil????
[02:48] <pobstil> umm
[02:48] <PenguinBoy> lol
[02:48] <Mez> PenguinBoy, Me molestan
[02:48] <deadlyshadow> Does anyone know if Wine works with Maplestory?
[02:49] <PenguinBoy> not me
[02:49] <Mez> deadlyshadow, #winehq
[02:49] <pobstil> thanks Mez :) 
[02:49] <deadlyshadow> Alright, on Freenode?
[02:49] <PenguinBoy> Senor Mez...can you go to this site and tell me what I need to download for a 386 with no DVD burner???  http://www.zenlinux.org/drupal/public/releases/
[02:50] <Mez> PenguinBoy, this is the Kubuntu channel
[02:50] <PenguinBoy> lol
[02:50] <PenguinBoy> right
[02:50] <pobstil> lol are you converting?
[02:50] <Mez> I'm not very likely to go and help you with anothe rdistro (that I dont know) now am i?
[02:50] <PenguinBoy> but there is no #zen channel that I can access....
[02:50] <PenguinBoy> LOL
[02:51] <Mez> PenguinBoy, irc.zenlinux.org #zenlinux
[02:51] <PenguinBoy> it is just an iso listing...sheesh....LOL
[02:51] <PenguinBoy> lol
[02:51] <PenguinBoy> how did you find that infor so fast?
[02:52] <pobstil> #zenlinux hehe
[02:52] <Mez> Penguinboy
[02:52] <PenguinBoy> si?
[02:52] <Mez> http://www.zenlinux.org/
[02:52] <Mez> click on IRC
[02:52] <pobstil> lol
[02:52] <Mez> pretty easy really
[02:52] <PenguinBoy> LOL
[02:52] <PenguinBoy> lol
[02:52] <PenguinBoy> lol
[02:53] <PenguinBoy> in real life I am really not this stupid....really I am not....
[02:53] <PenguinBoy> lol
[02:56] <MrVoid> what is that apt-get command to show information about a package
[02:56] <MrVoid> or seach for packages
[02:57] <pobstil> pacman -Si packagename lol
[02:57] <gdh> apt-cache show packagename ?
[02:58] <Mez> pacman ?
[02:58] <Mez> to show details - it's apt-cahce show packagename
[02:58] <Mez> to searhc
[02:58] <Mez> apt-cache search regex
[02:58] <MrVoid> ty sir!
[02:59] <Mez> np ;)
[03:05] <pobstil> penguinboy!!
[03:05] <pobstil> a hoy hoy
[03:08] <penguinboy> a hoy a hoy!
[03:08] <pobstil> slow reactions :p
[03:08] <penguinboy> lol
[03:14] <deadlyshadow> Does anyone know how to install Wine through Kynaptic?
[03:14] <pobstil> use synaptic ^_^
[03:15] <penguinboy> yes...thats the answer...kynaptic is TERRIBLE
[03:15] <penguinboy> or do it from terminal
[03:15] <pobstil> terminal is your friend
[03:15] <penguinboy> yes...terminal is a wonderful friend
[03:15] <deadlyshadow> How do I use Synaptic?
[03:15] <deadlyshadow> If I have KDE?
[03:15] <deadlyshadow> Install Gnome?
[03:16] <pobstil> the same way you use it in gnome
[03:16] <penguinboy> load it....click on the reload button...and do a search and an install
[03:16] <deadlyshadow> I thought they didn't have Synaptic in Kubuntu. :S
[03:16] <penguinboy> they don;t
[03:16] <deadlyshadow> WTFudge.
[03:16] <GPHemsley> geez... is KDE buggy or is it just me?
[03:16] <penguinboy> you have to download and install it from....TERMINAL!
[03:16] <deadlyshadow> Wine or Synaptic?
[03:16] <pobstil> did you have gnome before kde?
[03:17] <deadlyshadow> No.
[03:17] <penguinboy> just sudo aptitude install Synaptic
[03:17] <deadlyshadow> I just reformatted. :)
[03:17] <pobstil> aaww
[03:17] <pobstil> sudo apt-get install wine
[03:17] <penguinboy> and while you are in terminal just sudo aptitude install wine
[03:18] <penguinboy> great minds think alike
[03:18] <deadlyshadow> When it gets done with Initializing package states... Done.
[03:18] <deadlyshadow> It says its done.
[03:18] <penguinboy> great!
[03:18] <deadlyshadow> I mean, it stops.
[03:18] <penguinboy> copy and paste it in here
[03:18] <deadlyshadow> Gawsh (xD)
[03:18] <penguinboy> so we can see it
[03:18] <pobstil> :D
[03:19] <deadlyshadow> Reading package lists... Done
[03:19] <deadlyshadow> Building dependency tree
[03:19] <deadlyshadow> Reading extended state information
[03:19] <deadlyshadow> Initializing package states... Done
[03:19] <deadlyshadow> Couldn't find package "Synaptic".  However, the following
[03:19] <deadlyshadow> packages contain "Synaptic" in their name:
[03:19] <deadlyshadow>   xorg-driver-synaptics
[03:19] <penguinboy> nope
[03:19] <deadlyshadow> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[03:19] <gdh> urg
[03:19] <deadlyshadow> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:19] <penguinboy> mmm
[03:20] <deadlyshadow> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
[03:20] <deadlyshadow> Writing extended state information... Done
[03:20] <gdh> you ain't in Redmond any more
[03:20] <penguinboy> did you sudo apt-get update first
[03:20] <deadlyshadow> Reading package lists... Done
[03:20] <gdh> case is important
[03:20] <pobstil> nooooooooooo
[03:20] <deadlyshadow> Building dependency tree
[03:20] <deadlyshadow> Reading extended state information
[03:20] <deadlyshadow> Initializing package states... Done
[03:20] <deadlyshadow> There. LOL.
[03:20] <deadlyshadow> Please don't kick me. :(
[03:20] <deadlyshadow> How come I always have the problems. (cries)
[03:20] <gdh> 'synaptic' not 'Synaptic'
[03:20] <unome> you need some backports
[03:20] <deadlyshadow> Someone said Synaptic though.
[03:20] <deadlyshadow> o_o
[03:20] <penguinboy> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[03:20] <pobstil> lol
[03:20] <penguinboy> that would have been me
[03:21] <pobstil> linux is very case sensitive :p
[03:21] <gdh> deadlyshadow: penguinboy needs a conical hat with a big 'D' on it :)
[03:21] <penguinboy> i accept full responsibility for the error and I will set in the corenr for 5 minutes for penance
[03:21] <gdh> haha :)
[03:21] <pobstil> poor poor penguinboy
[03:21] <GPHemsley> I'm still having trouble getting the Internet to work...
[03:21] <gdh> GPHemsley: join the rest of the world :)
[03:22] <pobstil> he can't he has no internet haha
[03:22] <GPHemsley> gdh: The Internet connection in Kubuntu, that is...
[03:22] <penguinboy> deadlyshadow: I think you will prefer terminal to Synaptic though....i sure do!
[03:22] <gdh> GPHemsley: Yes I guessed as much :)
[03:22] <gdh> GPHemsley:  The internet is over-rated anyway, you're not missing much.
[03:23] <pobstil> lol
[03:23] <deadlyshadow> Sometimes the Terminal is better than Synaptic.
[03:23] <deadlyshadow> And I got it working BTW.
[03:23] <deadlyshadow> It's not apt-get
[03:23] <GPHemsley> gdh: Well, I'm having to ask for help on Windows... IDK if that counts as missing anything....
[03:23] <deadlyshadow> It's aptitude
[03:23] <gdh> and on that note, I'm going to bed.. night, all =)
[03:23] <penguinboy> yes...i prefer aptitude
[03:23] <deadlyshadow> Goodnight, friend. :)
[03:23] <deadlyshadow> I think its done now. :)
[03:23] <GPHemsley> Anyone else care to help?
[03:23] <penguinboy> hey pobstil....how can I download sunbird.....it is neither sunbird nor sunbird-mozilla
[03:24] <deadlyshadow> Yay Synaptic installed!
[03:24] <penguinboy> YEAH!
[03:24] <pobstil> have a look in synaptic and do a search
[03:24] <deadlyshadow> Bad news, it just froze on me.
[03:24] <penguinboy> LOL
[03:24] <deadlyshadow> >.<
[03:24] <pobstil> lol
[03:24] <penguinboy> press ctrl+c
[03:25] <penguinboy> deadlyshadow: close terminal before you run Synaptic
[03:25] <penguinboy> that might help
[03:25] <deadlyshadow> o_o
[03:25] <deadlyshadow> Why didn't you tell me. LOL.
[03:25] <penguinboy> lol
[03:25] <deadlyshadow> I did, but then I opened it again.
[03:25] <deadlyshadow> How do I close it?
[03:25] <penguinboy> press ctrl+c again then
[03:25] <penguinboy> ctrl+c closes it
[03:25] <deadlyshadow> I did already.
[03:25] <deadlyshadow> OH.
[03:25] <deadlyshadow> It's not closing.
[03:25] <deadlyshadow> o_o
[03:25] <penguinboy> mmm
[03:26] <pobstil> ctrl c just cancels the process running in the terminal
[03:26] <penguinboy> yes
[03:26] <penguinboy> i thought that is what he wants to do
[03:26] <penguinboy> what is he trying to close...Sunapticv?
[03:26] <pobstil> c for cancell ^_^
[03:27] <deadlyshadow> Yeah.
[03:27] <penguinboy> oh
[03:27] <penguinboy> is it open on your screen?
[03:27] <deadlyshadow> Yeah
[03:27] <deadlyshadow> I can move it and stuff.
[03:27] <penguinboy> press ctrl-alt-esc and then click on it
[03:27] <pobstil> ctrl+alt+esc and click on synaptic
[03:27] <pobstil> lol
[03:27] <penguinboy> lol
[03:27] <penguinboy> i won
[03:27] <penguinboy> i won
[03:27] <penguinboy> i won
[03:27] <pobstil> lol
[03:28] <penguinboy> deadlyshadow: is everything okay
[03:28] <penguinboy> mmmmm
[03:29] <penguinboy> he must have clicked on the wrong thing
[03:29] <pobstil> lol he died
[03:29] <penguinboy> lol
[03:30] <deadlyshadow> Sorry guys.
[03:30] <pobstil> well xfce4 has finished installing, I shall be back in a little while
[03:30] <deadlyshadow> Accidently hit CTRL + ALT + F1
[03:30] <deadlyshadow> Bye!
[03:30] <penguinboy> lol
[03:30] <penguinboy> lol
[03:30] <penguinboy> lol
[03:30] <pobstil> sionara
[03:30] <penguinboy> bye pobstil 
[03:30] <deadlyshadow> Each time I open Synaptic I can't do anything on it.
[03:30] <deadlyshadow> I can minimize it and stuff.
[03:30] <deadlyshadow> But nothing else.
[03:31] <deadlyshadow> Can't close it without doing that one thing.
[03:31] <penguinboy> i have those problems at times to
[03:31] <penguinboy> i just keep opening and closing it until it worls
[03:31] <GPHemsley> Gah... and none of the "Administrator Mode" buttons are working
[03:32] <deadlyshadow> OK NM, I got it working. :)
[03:32] <penguinboy> deadlyshadow: just type sudo apt-get install wine at terminal
[03:32] <penguinboy> but k3b loves Mez!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[03:32] <Mez> k3b is being annoying and throuing up stupid erros in it's coding
[03:33] <deadlyshadow> No, aptitude. :)
[03:34] <penguinboy> okay use aptitude...but use terminal to install wine
[03:34] <GPHemsley> Nothing is working... samba, printing, Internet connection... 
[03:34] <GPHemsley> and yet I can access this computer via its internal IP address
[03:34] <GPHemsley> meaning that at least the network is working
[03:35] <GPHemsley> CUPS won't seem to start...
[03:35] <penguinboy> wb pobstil 
[03:35] <pobstil> :D howdy
[03:35] <penguinboy> how do
[03:35] <GPHemsley> and no one is listening to me... :(
[03:35] <pobstil> cups smells
[03:35] <penguinboy> GPHemsley: sorry...your problem is beyond me.....
[03:35] <penguinboy> KK is real smart...ask him
[03:36] <penguinboy> hey hey hey KK
[03:36] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser?
[03:36] <penguinboy> si
[03:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi penguinpoy
[03:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> *sp
[03:37] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm told you may be able to help?
[03:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> whas up....
[03:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> no promices ;)
[03:38] <penguinboy> lol
[03:38] <penguinboy> he is modest
[03:38] <GPHemsley> well, for one, the Internet connection won't work
[03:38] <GPHemsley> It connects to the LAN, but not to any WAN
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> through a roupter/modem?
[03:39] <GPHemsley> two routers and a VoIP cable modem :)
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> cable? i just got adsl  :S
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> give me a tic to read up
[03:40] <GPHemsley> Now I know I had trouble with the Internet way back when I was first installing Slackware... I remember having to edit some file to add something to startup with the system... IDK if that applies here
[03:40] <penguinboy> GPHemsley: transgress can also be a help if you can ever find him in the room
[03:41] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: I doubt it makes a difference that it's cable, but OK
[03:41] <penguinboy> transgress is good with network issues
[03:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> does the modem have it's own ip?
[03:41] <penguinboy> dhcp
[03:41] <penguinboy> more than likely
[03:41] <penguinboy> imho
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> if it's external he probably hasnt set gateway.........
[03:42] <penguinboy> si
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> i spent 2 hours here yesterday finding that out
[03:42] <penguinboy> lol
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[03:43] <penguinboy> i still have not got my wireless working on my lap
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> gphemsley, is the modem external
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> PB is itsupported or ndis wrapper?
[03:43] <penguinboy> i downloaded the drivers and configured ndiswrapper....but it still will not connect
[03:44] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: Yeah, it's hooked up to the second router
[03:44] <michael> hello
[03:44] <penguinboy> hey michael 
[03:44] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: I've got nested routers controlling a couple of my comps :P
[03:44] <michael> is there a security advantage in not having the root password enabled?
[03:44] <deadlyshadow> Does anyone know why Kopete keeps rejecting my MSN password?
[03:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> michael yes
[03:44] <penguinboy> michael: i think it just makes common sense to have it enabled
[03:45] <transgress> penguinboy: whats up?
[03:45] <michael> having it enabled or having it disabled?
[03:45] <penguinboy> hey hey hey my friend!
[03:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> gphemsley, so is your computer running via DHCP or static ip?
[03:45] <michael> deadlyshadow, there was a problem with msn authentication recently.  upgrade to the latest kde to fix it.
[03:45] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: The ones that work? DHCP, I think... they're all Windows computers, though
[03:45] <penguinboy> transgress how are you doing tonight?
[03:46] <michael> I wanted to remove kaffeine, but for some reason, it's artificially being depended on the whole kubuntu desktop
[03:46] <michael> why on earth is this?
[03:46] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: This one I'm on now dual boots XP and Slackware, though
[03:46] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: And Slackware works, last I tried
[03:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> gphemsley, i was wondering about the one that doesnt work.
[03:46] <deadlyshadow> Does Kubuntu 5.04 come with the latest version of KDE?
[03:46] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: I believe I tried both
[03:46] <penguinboy> i believe so
[03:46] <GPHemsley> on Kubuntu
[03:46] <michael> deadlyshadow, no.  You have to upgrade afterwards
[03:46] <deadlyshadow> o_o
[03:46] <michael> kubuntu 5.0.4 comes with kde 3.4 -- the latest is 3.4.1
[03:46] <deadlyshadow> Sso I just go to upgrade?
[03:47] <penguinboy> O_o
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> gphemsley, try static and set the gateway to your modems ip
[03:47] <penguinboy> sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:47] <Mez> deadlyshadow, http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php
[03:47] <deadlyshadow> OH, I'm just using Synaptice. o_o
[03:47] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: Hang on
[03:47] <penguinboy> use terminal
[03:47] <penguinboy> much better
[03:47] <michael> deadlyshadow, you need to add the repository to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:47] <GPHemsley> michael: You using VoIP with Optimum?
[03:47] <michael> yes, GPHemsley 
[03:47] <deadlyshadow> I see that.
[03:47] <GPHemsley> michael: On Kubuntu, I presume?
[03:48] <michael> yes
[03:48] <michael> why do you ask?
[03:48] <GPHemsley> michael: I'm having some problems connecting to the Internet
[03:48] <michael> I just installed Kubuntu a few days ago over my Slack 10.1 install
[03:48] <GPHemsley> michael: You using any routers?
[03:48] <michael> yes
[03:48] <michael> linksys
[03:48] <GPHemsley> michael: How did you set it up?
[03:48] <penguinboy> hey hey claydoh!
[03:48] <Mez> Excuse me a moment while I go mad
[03:49] <michael> I plugged it in and it worked.
[03:49] <GPHemsley> michael: Darn
[03:49] <penguinboy> Mez is having fun with k3b!
[03:49] <michael> GPHemsley, sorry
[03:49] <GPHemsley> michael: I can connect to other computers on the network, but not to the outside Internet
[03:49] <michael> does it work if you connect it directly to your modem?
[03:49] <michael> I only started using the router a few weeks ago.
[03:49] <Mez> flibble
[03:49] <claydoh> hi penguinboy 
[03:50] <penguinboy> hey hey
[03:50] <GPHemsley> michael: Oh, IDK... but it'd be tough to do... I'd have to disconnect all the other computers to find out ~_~
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> gphemsley, i recon set your gateway 
[03:50] <michael> GPHemsley, well, that's part of the job of determining whether you're experiencing a hardware or a software issue.
[03:51] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: I though I had in the past... copied the stuff from XP
[03:51] <penguinboy> welceom unome!
[03:51] <GPHemsley> michael: Well, everything else connected to the Internet the same way works... it's just not Kubuntu
[03:52] <GPHemsley> Geez, a lot of OptOnliners
[03:52] <michael> heh
[03:52] <michael> what can we tell you?
[03:52] <michael> I've been mostly happy with optimum online
[03:52] <unome> penguinboy: thanks
[03:52] <penguinboy> yw
[03:52] <michael> except for how they capped my uploads because of my bit torrenting
[03:52] <GPHemsley> michael: Hopefully how to get my connection working :P
[03:53] <GPHemsley> hosting, that is
[03:53] <michael> well, if you live the Midwood area, I'd offer to come over and help
[03:53] <michael> but I'm kinda sorta busy
[03:53] <GPHemsley> Midwood? heh, where's that? NJ?
[03:53] <unome> they can't cap your uploads unless you have a static ip
[03:53] <michael> Midwood is a neighborhood in brooklyn
[03:53] <GPHemsley> oh... well, I'm out on the island
[03:54] <michael> they can and they will even if you have a dynamic ip
[03:54] <michael> if you upload continuously, they will cap your maximum upload speed at about 15 kb/s
[03:54] <GPHemsley> well, that sucks
[03:55] <michael> indeed
[03:55] <michael> I called and complained, and it's higher now
[03:55] <GPHemsley> heh
[03:55] <GPHemsley> alright... let's see if I can get this... Kamping_Kaiser: feel like walking me through it? :\
[03:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, ok.
[03:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> open konsole
[03:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo -s
[03:56] <GPHemsley> OK, next?
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> vi <or your editor> /etc/networking/interfaces
[03:58] <penguinboy> wn pobstil !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> gphemsley, does your system have more then one nic?
[03:58] <GPHemsley> it outputs an error about it belonging to 1000 instead of 0 or something ebfore it loads...
[03:58] <GPHemsley> does that mean anything?
[03:58] <pobstil> lol :D it's nice to be loved :p
[03:58] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: Sorry, NIC?
[03:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> um... i don't recognise that error
[03:58] <penguinboy> lol
[03:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi pobstil
[03:58] <pobstil> a hoy hoy
[03:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> gph, network card
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> Network Interface Card
[03:59] <penguinboy> make way for the monchmeister!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[03:59] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: Something about /var/tmp/something
[03:59] <monchy> holla!
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, did it talk about a swap file?
[04:00] <penguinboy> hola!
[04:00] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: Nope, just kdecache and kde
[04:00] <GPHemsley> being owned by 1000 instead of 0
[04:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> i cant help with that one, sorry :S
[04:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> but i can try networking still ;)
[04:01] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: As for NICs, there may be a dial-up modem also installed, but it's not connected to anything
[04:01] <GPHemsley> s/may/seems to/
[04:01] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: And I'm connected to the LAN just fine
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> so did the interfaces file open?
[04:01] <GPHemsley> via Cat-5(e?)
[04:01] <GPHemsley> yeah
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok you should have a line like this:
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> iface eth0 inet DHCP
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you?
[04:02] <GPHemsley> woah... it's empty... it wasn't empty before... do typos make empty files? o_0
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> well
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you put the path in wrong, it will make a new file
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser>  what your after is /etc/network/interfaces
[04:03] <GPHemsley> ah, I thought so
[04:03] <GPHemsley> *phew*
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) *breaths*
[04:04] <GPHemsley> you said networking before :P
[04:04] <GPHemsley> ok
[04:04] <GPHemsley> there it is
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> :$ sorry
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> you have that line? does it say DHCP or static?
[04:04] <GPHemsley> "dhcp" is lowercase, but that's what it says
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> (and it will have DHCP lower case, gaims correcting it for me)
[04:04] <GPHemsley> I had changed it to static before, but I changed it back
[04:05] <GPHemsley> ah, ok
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> set it static, and make sure you have an "address x.x.x.x" line and a "gateway x.x.x.x" line
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> netmask and  hostname are option extras
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, netmask isnt :S
[04:06] <pobstil> moo
[04:06] <penguinboy> wm pobstil !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:06] <penguinboy> wb i mena
[04:06] <pobstil> lol everytime
[04:06] <penguinboy> how's things down under
[04:06] <pobstil> I'm not australian :p
[04:06] <GPHemsley> hm... what's hostname for?
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's the computers name
[04:07] <penguinboy> no...you are a New Zealander
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> it should match the "hostname" output
[04:07] <penguinboy> isn;t that still down under
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> not down under uss
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> *us
[04:07] <pobstil> no thats australian :p
[04:07] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: the command?
[04:07] <penguinboy> i c
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes.
[04:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> gphemsley, yours should look like this, just with different numbers http://pastebin.com/304517
[04:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://pastebin.com/304519 actualy this
[04:09] <GPHemsley> yeah, with different numbers
[04:09] <GPHemsley> wait... "auto eth0"?
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes. but the second one... the first one was DHCP, we want static
[04:09] <GPHemsley> yeah
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> there's? good
[04:10] <GPHemsley> the "auto eth0" isn't there
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> :o
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> add it in
[04:10] <GPHemsley> OK, now what?
[04:10] <pobstil> liz4rd!!
[04:10] <liz4rd> pobstil!!!
[04:10] <liz4rd> :P
[04:10] <penguinboy> liz
[04:10] <pobstil> :D
[04:10] <liz4rd> penguinboy!!!
[04:10] <liz4rd> :D
[04:10] <penguinboy> lizzy
[04:10] <liz4rd> see what happens when i come here
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> save the file then in your root konsole write "ifdown -a && ifup -a"
[04:11] <liz4rd> watch we wont talk about linux at all now :P
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> spam goes up 1000%
[04:11] <liz4rd> LOL
[04:11] <monchy> entertaining spam
[04:11] <pobstil> spam spam psma kjskgnba;lkrejg
[04:11] <liz4rd> monchy: THANK YOU
[04:11] <penguinboy> very entertaining
[04:12] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: OK, now what?
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> did those commands run ok?
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> try "ping google"
[04:12] <ookii> since i've just switched to ubuntu, i need to know the equivelancy of some windows programs, like what is the linux equivelant of dvd decrypter?
[04:13] <pobstil> try ping pong
[04:13] <monchy> get your hands off me
[04:13] <penguinboy> lol
[04:13] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: ping google.com, you mean?
[04:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[04:14] <GPHemsley> unknown host
[04:14] <penguinboy> where did lizzy go?
[04:14] <liz4rd> LMFAO
[04:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> grr. so you set your gateway right? we might have to set dns or somthing silly
[04:14] <pobstil> extremities? what extremities?
[04:14] <monchy> exactly
[04:14] <penguinboy> either or
[04:15] <liz4rd> lol now now children
[04:15] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: Yeah, I set it like Windows has it
[04:15] <penguinboy> LOL
[04:16] <penguinboy> I'm bad...I'm bad...you know it
[04:16] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: And pinging all the local IPs works
[04:16] <pobstil> ducks...
[04:16] <penguinboy> chipmunks...
[04:16] <Mez> less of the spam please
[04:16] <Mez> use #spam for that
[04:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> gphensley, i was having a problem where if Gnome was running  networking screwd up... i rebooted and it was fixed. but while that was on i was having problems a lot like yours
[04:17] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: So what do you propose? A reboot?
[04:17] <pobstil> everyone come to #spam!!!!
[04:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> i don't like telling people to reboot, have you tried already?
[04:18] <liz4rd> lol silly penguin
[04:18] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: A couple of times, but not since the changes you just walked me through
[04:18] <penguinboy> come join us in #spam for a spamming good time
[04:18] <GPHemsley> which means, not with "auto eth0"
[04:19] <GPHemsley> FWIW, I don't particularly mind rebooting
[04:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> well, give it a crack i suppose
[04:20] <pobstil> hehe he said crack
[04:20] <pobstil> lol
[04:21] <pobstil> come to #spam :p
[04:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[04:21] <GPHemsley> pobstil: How about you go to #spam and I stay here and get support?
[04:21] <pobstil> I am in #spam
[04:22] <GPHemsley> well, good, them stop putting the spam in here
[04:22] <GPHemsley> s/them/then/
[04:22] <Ghete1> Ok here is a really hard question. i need a sega saturn emulator that will run the cd's, not isos or anything
[04:22] <monchy> remove the wedge from wherever you have it lodged and loosen up lol
[04:22] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: Does ntp.ubuntulinux.org actually work?
[04:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[04:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> i sync every boot
[04:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> so it failed?
[04:23] <GPHemsley> yeah
[04:23] <GPHemsley> but even here on Windows I can't connect to it
[04:23] <GPHemsley> at least, not via HTTP
[04:24] <GPHemsley> BTW, it said "tempory fail at resolving name" or somesuch
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, you would need ntp
[04:24] <GPHemsley> ah, well, that would make sense :P
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) what Windows? i know xp can sync from a time server
[04:24] <GPHemsley> yeah, but not via a web browser :P
[04:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P true
[04:26] <GPHemsley> unknown host at pinging google.com
[04:27] <ookii> oh and another stupid question, can I use debian and regular ubuntu apt sources, or do I play it safe by only using kubuntu stuff
[04:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can use Ubuntu sources, but Debian sources are not recomended
[04:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> but you can use them
[04:28] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: What's next? :\
[04:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> gphemsley, i meditate and hope someone takes over.... (I'm thinking)
[04:28] <GPHemsley> heh, ok
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> gphemsley, i have nfi. it's probably somthing realy obvious (it's probably the thing  i was dealing with 12 hours ago) but i cant think of an answer. if you have all your dns right, nfi 
[04:31] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: THat's always reassuring... :P
[04:32] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: Any way I can manage this via the KDE interface?
[04:32] <GPHemsley> (which seems to be having problems of its own)
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> i don't know... i don't use KDE :O
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> are you sure your installs healthy? if your having probs with KDE
[04:32] <ookii> what do you guys use to rip dvds?
[04:33] <mrmanic> I don't rip DVDs
[04:33] <mrmanic> MPAA tells me that's against god's way
[04:33] <mrmanic> :\
[04:33] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: Heh... 
[04:33] <ookii> then you aren't exactly the target for the question :-.
[04:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol mrmanic
[04:33] <ookii> i only rip dvds that are not protected :-p
[04:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> i don't rip dvds ookii... so i cant help ;)
[04:33] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: I would think... they came off the CD AFAIK
[04:34] <ookii> i'm trying to get this dvd::rip thingie, but if it isn't on an apt source i'll never get it working
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> gphemsley, can you try this? open a browser and go to 150.101.100.144 on the box that wont work
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> ookii it's in marillat
[04:35] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: Could not connect
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> dvd::rip is a full featured DVD copy program written in Perl.etc
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> gphemsley, then it's not a resoving problem
[04:35] <ookii> i did apt-cache search dvd::rip
[04:36] <ookii> but alas i have no skills, so that could explain it
[04:36] <GPHemsley> (ew... PostNuke...)
[04:37] <ookii> Kamping_Kaiser: is marillat an apt source?
[04:37] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: What do you suppose it is?
[04:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> gphemsley, when you say cant connect, do you mean didnt find it?
[04:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> if so i don't think the computers making it too the outside world
[04:38] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: That's what the error said... "Could not connect to..."
[04:38] <GPHemsley> this is Konquerer
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> gphemsley, what does "host  150.101.101.211" give you?
[04:40] <GPHemsley> hmm... as a side note, CUPS seems to be working now
[04:40] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: In Konsole?
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> in konsole
[04:41] <GPHemsley> connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[04:41] <ookii> Kamping_Kaiser: what is marillat?
[04:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> i don't think your box is getting out of the network
[04:42] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: Hmm...
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> ookii marillat is an external repositry with all the dvd ripping/mp3 support/blah in it
[04:42] <ookii> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main?
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think they are listed on ubuntuguide.org, but not srue
[04:42] <ookii> i thought we weren't supposed to use debian sources
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> ookii as a rule your not, but these are an exeption if you want to use the computer for media or ripping ;)
[04:45] <ookii> aha, everyday I learn new tricks :-p
[04:46] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: OK, any other ideas?
[04:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, I'm about out... and I'm about to have breakfast ;0
[04:46] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: Oh, and what do you know about sudo dhclient?
[04:46] <GPHemsley> breakfast?
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> 12:17 noon
[04:48] <ep> Howdy, I installec ubuntu this AM, then added kubuntu-desktop via apt-get.  I ended up with the bug where konqueror segfaults often and sometime shows duplicate files on occasion.  Are ya'll familar with this and is there a fix?
[04:48] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: Geez.. where are you?
[04:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> South Australia, Australia
[04:49] <pobstil> tasmania
[04:49] <pobstil> ?
[04:49] <GPHemsley> ah, no wonder
[04:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> no that would be ish
[04:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1ish
[04:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> gph, where are you?
[04:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> in the states somewhere?
[04:49] <GPHemsley> yup
[04:49] <GPHemsley> NY
[04:49] <pobstil> NZ hehe
[04:50] <GPHemsley> it's a quarter to 11 PM here
[04:50] <GPHemsley> heh
[04:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol gph
[04:50] <pobstil> lol
[04:50] <ep> I found a bug report so I know I'm not the only one: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8009
[04:50] <GPHemsley> is that June 25th, 26th, or 27th?
[04:51] <GPHemsley> ep: Hmm... I think that happened to me earlier
[04:52] <ep> it frustrating for me cause i'm really liking this distro but i'm just not a gnome guy
[04:53] <GPHemsley> well, it seems it's fixed in 3.4.1...
[04:53] <GPHemsley> KDE, that is
[04:54] <ep> ok now i've reinstalled and dont have kubuntu-desktop.  So how do i get that version of KDE? 
[04:55] <ep> sorry i'm kind of new
[04:55] <ep> do i need the universal sources?
[04:58] <ep> Or maybe i had 3.4.1 KDE version anyway?  What version would apt-get kubuntu-desktop install?
[05:00] <unome> ep, in a terminal type: kdesktop --version
[05:33] <CavalierBob> Hey all!
[05:33] <CavalierBob> Anyone here know KOffice preferences fairly well?
[05:34] <CavalierBob> I need to revert to a original behavior and cannot figure out how to do it.
[06:10] <GPHemsley> Kamping_Kaiser: Woo hooo!!!!!
[06:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> eek!
[06:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi :D
[06:11] <GPHemsley> Those pesky routers
[06:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> that the problem?
[06:12] <GPHemsley> yeah, something with their configuration got reset... Windows didn't mind, but apparently Kubuntu does
[06:12] <GPHemsley> I fixed the configuration, then /etc/network/interfaces and voila
[06:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. woot!
[06:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> brill. well done mate :)
[06:12] <foodcoman> Hrm I thought this was fixed.... but.
[06:12] <foodcoman> Why would my control center not log into administrator mode  in the file sharing module?
[06:13] <gordon> weeee
[06:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> did you enter yoiur password/do you have a root password?
[06:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> you happy gordon?
[06:13] <foodcoman> Mine.
[06:13] <gordon> Kamping_Kaiser: A bit :)
[06:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) that's a start
[06:14] <foodcoman> I just set my root pass to match mine.  Kicks me back to the main Control Center screen.
[06:14] <foodcoman> Odd stuff.
[06:15] <rexykik> any of you get a webcam to work?
[06:15] <rexykik> moi?
[06:25] <foodcoman> From a root console running kcontrol works!
[06:25] <foodcoman> Kinda feels broke though.
[06:27] <penguinboy> www.penguinboy.us
[06:28] <GPHemsley> gah...
[06:28] <penguinboy> www.penguinboy.us
[06:28] <GPHemsley> that was terrible timing there, Mr. Interrupt Service Gremlin
[06:43] <GPHemsley> OK, I think I got everything fixed now
[06:44] <penguinboy> good
[06:44] <GPHemsley> dang thing couldn't make up its mind
[06:44] <GPHemsley> but it should be all set now
[06:44] <GHemsley> ^_^
[06:44] <monchy> patting yourself on the back isn't allowed in here, take it to #spam
[06:44] <liz4rd> #spamncheese
[06:45] <GPHemsley> meh, it's only partially myself ;)
[06:45] <monchy> no casual talk is allowed either, only "support" remember :)
[06:45] <GPHemsley> nevertheless, I think I'm done here
[06:45] <GPHemsley> :P
[06:47] <mrmanic> monchy: "support" only accounts for 10% or so of what I say in here :\
[06:47] <monchy> oh i know, he was just giving us a hard time earlier about what was being talked about and told us to take it to #spam
[06:47] <monchy> so i was trying to reiterate the same to him in a prickish way
[06:50] <mrmanic> ah, ten four good buddy
[06:50] <mrmanic> over and out
[07:09] <ookii> anyone know how to get the gpg keys for marillat working?
[07:09] <crimsun> I wrote instructions some months ago at wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[07:11] <ookii> is this for the ubuntu wiki or the kubuntu wiki
[07:16] <ookii> in fact i can't find what you are talking about
[07:16] <ookii> i did this gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907
[07:16] <ookii> but it still doesn't work
[07:16] <crimsun> use a different keyserver
[07:16] <crimsun> that one's often overloaded
[07:16] <ookii> it said it worked though
[07:17] <ookii> gpg: key 1F41B907: "Christian Marillat <marillat@debian.org>" not changed
[07:17] <ookii> i just need to export it or something
[07:17] <crimsun> did you follow the rest of the instructions?
[07:17] <crimsun> I typed out the precise procedure
[07:18] <ookii> oh i see it, before the keyserver must of timed out
[07:22] <unome> while restarting, my system hangs at configuring network devices for like 2 minutes, any ideas?
[07:23] <crimsun> unome: do you have multiple network devices, like a wireless ethernet connection and a wired one?
[07:24] <unome> Nah just two cards, one is connected eth1
[07:24] <ookii> bah i can't even get what i want installed due to the dreaded "dependency hell"
[07:25] <unome> two ethernet cards, one is directly connected to my cable modem, the other is just sitting there
[07:25] <crimsun> ookii: what do you want to install?
[07:25] <ookii> i would like dvdrip sir
[07:26] <ookii> which apparently is a frontend to transcode, which i can't get
[07:26] <crimsun> unome: you may need to disable the other one in /etc/network/interfaces
[07:26] <ookii> so i guess really i need transcode
[07:26] <crimsun> ookii: did you try the backports repo?
[07:26] <unome> crimsun: it is disabled as far as I know, but let me double check
[07:26] <ookii> crimsun: i have all that stuff in my sources, dvdrip is on mallirat though
[07:27] <ookii> crimsun: but maybe i'm not sure to as what you are referring to in the first place
[07:27] <crimsun> ookii: have you read the notice on debian.video.free.fr?
[07:28] <unome> auto eth0 <-- this one is just idle, should I change it from auto to something else?
[07:28] <crimsun> you could comment it out
[07:28] <crimsun> #auto eth0
[07:28] <unome> K, thanks
[07:28] <ookii> crimsun: the only thing i saw was the fat thingie about the segmentation faults
[07:29] <crimsun> ookii: what about the bandwidth issues?
[07:29] <unome> says: iface eth0 inet dhcp. what's iface?
[07:31] <rideout> unome iface is short for interface
[07:31] <unome> ah, great to know thx
[07:33] <unome> so hotplug scan for network devices at startup, is that it?
[07:34] <crimsun> yep
[07:39] <ookii> sorry i missed that, i'm going a bit crazy
[07:46] <ookii> how about this one "configure: error: transcode depends on libz, but cannot links against libz"
[07:47] <crimsun> is zlib1g-dev installed?
[07:47] <rexykik> anyone know a good program to watch dvds on?
[07:47] <ookii> nah it wasn't, i forgot about the dev, i checked to make sure zlib1g was installed
[07:48] <mrmanic> rexykik: I watch VOBs on kaffeine
[07:48] <unome> rexykik: I use mplayer and xine 
[07:56] <ookii> and "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check", i wish i could figure out what packages to install on my own
[07:56] <crimsun> ookii: build-essential
[07:57] <ookii> ty sir!
[07:58] <crimsun> np
[08:02] <GPHemsley> Alright, you knew I'd be back...
[08:03] <unome> crimsun: I see your vhost and wonder how it's done, can you point me to some reading material on the subject?
[08:03] <GPHemsley> I've got some questions regarding apt-get, upgrading, and installing
[08:04] <GPHemsley> First, how do I upgrade KDE?
[08:04] <crimsun> unome: http://freenode.net/how_to_help.shtml
[08:04] <unome> thanks
[08:06] <crimsun> np
[08:07] <unome> doesn't explain much :/
[08:07] <crimsun> my cloak is a result of my continued monetary support of this network
[08:07] <unome> ah ok.
[08:09] <ubuntu> geez, ok, i have kubuntu live cd and need root so i can fix my linux system
[08:09] <ubuntu> whats the password?
[08:10] <unome> http://ubuntuguide.org/#gainrootwithoutlogin
[08:10] <ubuntu> hey thanks
[08:10] <ubuntu> oh
[08:10] <ubuntu> sorry
[08:10] <ubuntu> shoulda checked
[08:11] <unome> welcome
[08:12] <ubuntu> hafta restart live cd?
[08:12] <ubuntu> ouch
[08:12] <ubuntu> takes a while lol
[08:13] <GPHemsley> so... how do I upgrade KDE?
[08:13] <ubuntu> what pkg manager does k/ubuntu use?
[08:14] <ubuntu> well gtg
[08:15] <unome> GPHemsley: topic
[08:15] <unome> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php
[08:15] <GPHemsley> :dart:
[08:15] <GPHemsley> k, thanks
[08:16] <unome> :)
[08:18] <rideout> ubuntu: ubuntu uses debian packages, which use dpkg which has dozens of frontends
[08:18] <rideout> also $sudo su will get you root access
[08:23] <ubuntu> umm
[08:23] <ubuntu> adding rescue to the boot parameters doesn't help
[08:23] <ubuntu> it doesn't take just 'rescue'
[08:23] <ubuntu> so i put the kernel
[08:24] <ubuntu> 'live' then 'rescue'
[08:24] <ubuntu> and i dont have root still
[08:24] <ubuntu> ok...
[08:24] <ubuntu> i guess i'll just use my old slackware cd's
[08:24] <ubuntu> thanks guys...
[08:25] <ubuntu> anybody?
[08:25] <ubuntu> once twice...
[08:25] <ubuntu> sold...
[08:46] <GPHemsley> unome: How do I upgrade the kernel?
[08:47] <unome> GPHemsley: just like you would upgrade anything else
[08:47] <unome> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:47] <GPHemsley> hmm.. ok
[08:47] <GPHemsley> and installing packages that I don't already have?
[08:48] <unome> in fact, there is an upgrade available for your kernel
[08:48] <GPHemsley> that's good... it's ~2 releases behind
[08:49] <GPHemsley> (not counting those funny below-point releases)
[08:49] <unome> are you on amd64?
[08:50] <GPHemsley> not 64, no, but I think amd32 (or whatever it's actually called)
[08:51] <unome> great, let me finish this upgrade by rebooting ::squeak::
[08:51] <GPHemsley> heh
[09:13] <GPHemsley> unome: So, wait, apt-get dist-upgrade will upgrade the Linux kernel?
[09:14] <_kane> possibly
[09:14] <unome> will upgrade the system (everything) if I understand correctly
[09:15] <GPHemsley> hmm...
[09:15] <GPHemsley> do I have to add any more sources?
[09:15] <unome> depends on what you got already
[09:16] <unome> this is what I got:L
[09:16] <unome> http://ubuntuguide.org/sample/sources.list_extrarepositories
[09:16] <GPHemsley> what are the backports for?
[09:17] <unome> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[09:23] <GPHemsley> alright, well, KDE was updated... but the kernel is still at 2.6.10-5
[09:26] <unome> what do you want to update the kernel for?
[09:27] <uniq> dwmurphy: i'm doing more amd64 stuff. almost done, kdeaccessibility, kdevelop and kwebdev missing. 
[09:28] <GPHemsley> unome: Is it not good to have an updated kernel?
[09:29] <unome> yes, but if you ran apt-get dist-upgrade and there's no update fo the kernel, then you're fine, I guess
[09:29] <GPHemsley> what about installing new software?
[09:29] <unome> like what?
[09:29] <GPHemsley> like Firefox, for instance
[09:30] <unome> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[09:30] <unome> better yet, use synaptic
[09:31] <unome> just search for what you want, mark it for install and you're good to go
[09:31] <GPHemsley> oh, right, I meant to check on that
[09:33] <GPHemsley> ooh, very nice
[09:34] <unome> that was my impression couple of weeks ago when I installed Kubuntu
[09:38] <insanekane> unome: isn't kubuntu the best ?
[09:38] <insanekane> :)
[09:39] <unome> indeed.
[09:42] <GPHemsley> uh, were exactly is Firefox installed?
[09:42] <uniq> you don't need to know :)
[09:43] <uniq> just start it :)
[09:43] <unome> lol
[09:43] <uniq> if you can't find it in the menu you can try to run 'kappfinder' 
[09:43] <unome> .... /usr/bin/firefox
[09:43] <GPHemsley> unome: Yeah, that's where I found it
[10:44] <Neuromantik> weird
[10:45] <Neuromantik> worng window.. sorry
[11:24] <Far^Side|laptop> how do I enable loging in irsii?
[11:25] <Far^Side|laptop> s/irsii/irssi
[11:26] <iLLf8d> /help log
[11:27] <iLLf8d> actually /help set not log 
[11:27] <Tm_T> why not /help log ?
[11:27] <Tm_T> ;p
[11:27] <iLLf8d> cause the outputs channel specific and i'm guessing he's most likely talking about autologging 
[11:28] <Tm_T> yaight
[11:28] <Tm_T>  /se<tab> au<tab> etc
[11:28] <iLLf8d> Far^Side|laptop, keep in mind if you run that in screen in an env w/out much memory it'll chew it all up
[11:29] <iLLf8d> noones here so i'm gonna spam
[11:29] <iLLf8d> =P
[11:29] <Tm_T> iLLf8d: should I kill ya?
[11:29] <iLLf8d> not at 2am heh
[11:29] <iLLf8d> why you an nbk on this channel?
[11:29] <iLLf8d> _T for trigger?
[11:29] <Tm_T> haha
[11:30] <Tm_T> ok, I just hate colours and "spam"
[11:30] <Tm_T> but I'm old fart, so I'll go ;) ->
[11:30] <iLLf8d> ah well normally I'd agree tho if you're in a music channel or its 2am and theres only one other person in channel =P
[11:31] <Far^Side|laptop> thank you iLLf8d && Tm_T 
[11:31] <iLLf8d> my last chan output shows Far^Side|laptop at 2:25 then before that before I came in at 2:02 =P
[11:31] <iLLf8d> dead
[11:31] <iLLf8d> heh
[11:32] <iLLf8d> see even nikkia's set to cough every 30 min just to create channel output
[11:32] <iLLf8d> dead in here
[11:32] <iLLf8d> heh
[11:32] <iLLf8d> man I feel like trolling this channel
[11:33] <iLLf8d> i'm trying to avoid what I should be doing atm, and its not working
[11:33] <nikkia> i can't believe i've spent several weeks worrying how to deal with variable prizes, and it never occurred to me to actually ask the SDK for the prize amount i wanted - and discover, as I just have, that it auto-generates prizes based  on what you ask for
[11:34] <iLLf8d> nikkia, whatya talking about?
[11:34] <nikkia> iLLf8d: work, i write video gambling software for a living
[11:35] <iLLf8d> ah hrm
[11:36] <iLLf8d> nikkia, some of that stuff is pretty boring any plans on taking it in new directions?
[11:36] <nikkia> iLLf8d: i just do what i'm told to do
[11:36] <iLLf8d> that kinda business huh 
[11:36] <iLLf8d> so you're not in the designer side areya
[11:36] <nikkia> i'm a software engineer, not a designer
[11:36] <iLLf8d> ah 
[11:36] <iLLf8d> Neuromantik, any luck?
[11:37] <Neuromantik> not yet
[11:37] <iLLf8d> heh
[11:37] <iLLf8d> didya try what I said
[11:37] <Neuromantik> ?
[11:37] <iLLf8d> nuke kdes startup and test from console before arts crap loads
[11:37] <Neuromantik> k
[11:37] <Neuromantik> brb
[11:38] <iLLf8d> he's having sound issues on his shiney new install
[11:38] <nikkia> everyone has sound issues on a new install :P
[11:38] <nikkia> its the law, or something
[11:39] <iLLf8d> well?
[11:39] <iLLf8d> dude you blow outta here  so fast
[11:39] <Neuromantik> no go
[11:39] <iLLf8d> you're like a trance addict waiting for his next fix
[11:39] <iLLf8d> you sure its loading the right sounddriver 
[11:39] <Neuromantik> libmikmod.so2 error on launch of xmms .... I'll see if I need to symlink
[11:39] <Neuromantik> iLLf8d, emu10k1 .... 
[11:39] <Neuromantik> audigy2
[11:39] <iLLf8d> debian and maybe ubuntu variants may fuck that up at times
[11:40] <liz4rd> OMG! Cheese!
[11:40] <iLLf8d> libmikmod you don't need iirc
[11:40] <Neuromantik> ya
[11:40] <iLLf8d> its for mods I htink
[11:40] <Neuromantik> that's the only error though
[11:40] <Neuromantik> and alsamizer shows the channels as unmuted
[11:40] <iLLf8d> tho you should install it anyway heh
[11:40] <Neuromantik> whoa
[11:41] <iLLf8d> what?
[11:41] <Neuromantik> no menu 
[11:41] <iLLf8d> it plays country music just not trance
[11:41] <Neuromantik> hah
[11:41] <iLLf8d> you' d have to kill yourself 
[11:41] <iLLf8d> heh
[11:41] <Neuromantik> brb
[11:42] <liz4rd> HaWaiiiiiiiii
[11:43] <Neuromantik> iLLf8d, have no clue why I have no sound ... really odd
[11:43] <iLLf8d> he lives in jersey and bounces
[11:43] <Neuromantik> hah
[11:43] <iLLf8d> heh
[11:43] <iLLf8d> hrm 
[11:43] <liz4rd> what sound card?
[11:43] <iLLf8d> Neuromantik, you try catting to your devices?
[11:44] <iLLf8d> or uhm 
[11:44] <iLLf8d> hrm wonder if lspnp tools still works 
[11:44] <Neuromantik> liz4rd, audigy2 ... emu10k1 driver
[11:44] <iLLf8d> Neuromantik, try lspnp
[11:44] <liz4rd> o ok
[11:44] <liz4rd> did you try mod_probe ing it?
[11:44] <Neuromantik> it's not a problem with linux for me ... it's a problem with kubuntu
[11:44] <iLLf8d> liz4rd, hes not a noob (not that its a stupid question)
[11:45] <liz4rd> ok
[11:45] <iLLf8d> liz4rd, my suggestions are just helping him to get through the checklist ya know heh
[11:45] <iLLf8d> you know how you like to try 2000 things at once 
[11:45] <iLLf8d> =P
[11:45] <Neuromantik> E: Couldn't find package akode-mpeg
[11:45] <iLLf8d> liz4rd, keep dumping the suggestions in channel tho in case we missed one or you know more then we do
[11:45] <Neuromantik> hmm
[11:46] <Neuromantik> where's the kernel ?
[11:46] <iLLf8d> heh
[11:46] <Neuromantik> might as well just check it
[11:47] <iLLf8d> I doubt there'd be missing support
[11:47] <iLLf8d> its probably all modular too 
[11:47] <Neuromantik> ya
[11:47] <liz4rd> well i was saying put the mod_probe in the /etc/modules file
[11:47] <liz4rd> then restart
[11:47] <liz4rd> whats the mod probe for that anyways>
[11:48] <iLLf8d> theres a module mod_probe?
[11:48] <iLLf8d> liz4rd, type modinfo mod_probe 
[11:48] <iLLf8d> etc modules should be a list of modules to be loaded 
[11:48] <Neuromantik> liz4rd, audigy and sblive use the 'emu10k1' driver
[11:48] <iLLf8d> didn't know there was one named mod_probe tho 
[11:48] <liz4rd> ahh
[11:49] <Neuromantik> lsmod shows it fine
[11:49] <iLLf8d> I wonder if theres a tool that replaced lspnp stuff
[11:49] <Neuromantik> no command found for that
[11:49] <iLLf8d> yeah it was introduced with the pnpbios stuffs and may have gone away
[11:49] <Neuromantik> weird too ... xmms is playing the mp3s //// I can see the eq going nuts
[11:50] <iLLf8d> it was part of a wierd package too pcmcia-tools maybe  at the time
[11:50] <Neuromantik> that's for laptops
[11:50] <Neuromantik> odd
[11:50] <iLLf8d> yeah I dunno why they put it there at the time it might be abandoned code
[11:50] <iLLf8d> eqs going hrm
[11:50] <iLLf8d> so its probably a device issue then I'd think
[11:51] <iLLf8d> sounds like the drivers loading and working (/me is guessing here)
[11:51] <iLLf8d> make sure the sound device is setup right 
[11:51] <iLLf8d> ie in /dev
[11:55] <Neuromantik> this is getting old quick
[11:58] <iLLf8d> heh thats funny 
[12:10] <iLLf8d> heh no more neuro 
[12:11] <iLLf8d> wonder if he installed a different dist
[12:11] <sparkling> hi all
[12:12] <iLLf8d> no many all around atm
[12:12] <sparkling> is there someone experienced in installing kubuntu on an external usb2 hard drive?
[12:12] <iLLf8d> doubt it at this time of night
[12:12] <iLLf8d> I'm like the only one active atm 
[12:13] <sparkling> oh ok :P
[12:13] <iLLf8d> last other person was 25-30 min back
[12:13] <sparkling> ok...however do you know a good howto to install kubuntu or linux in general on a hdd external?
[12:14] <iLLf8d> not I I'm just watching the channel to see how responsive it is 
[12:14] <iLLf8d> I run debian, and other bsds 
[12:15] <erhnamdjim> I'm having trouble with mounting/unmounting floppies in Hoary. The first one I try mounts just fine, but KDE refuses to acknowledge when I try to unmount it (whether from the context menu or from the console). Any other disks that I then insert fail to be picked up.
[12:16] <iLLf8d> erhnamdjim, does it umount or is it not?
[12:16] <iLLf8d> if it doesn't somethings probably keeping it open
[12:17] <iLLf8d> try using lsof to see what it might be
[12:17] <erhnamdjim> umount unmounts it fine. In fact, the context menu works too. It's just that KDE doesn't seem to notice the fact
[12:19] <iLLf8d> erhnamdjim, dunno i'm not a kde guru sorry
[12:21] <erhnamdjim> The forums seem to show other people having the same problem, and one post seemed to indicate that it was a problem with KDE 3.4 rather than Kubuntu. I was just hoping that someone on the channel might know for sure
[12:21] <iLLf8d> theres like 3 of us up
[12:22] <erhnamdjim> Where are all the EMEA kubuntu users? :-)
[12:43] <nikkia> right, release done, emails sent, a little less stress present :)
[12:44] <nikkia> with 15 minutes to spare, too ! :)
[12:45] <Tm_T> uh oh
[12:45] <Tm_T> any news about 2.6.12 kernel?
[12:46] <uniqwork> nikkia: your project done? :)
[12:46] <nikkia> uniq, its not completed, there are outstanding issues before public release
[12:46] <nikkia> uniq, but we promised them an interim build this morning
[12:46] <nikkia> the public release is supposed to be July 1, which is when they ship the machines to their customers
[12:47] <uniqwork> ah.. ok :)
[12:47] <nikkia> uniq, once i'm done on this, i get to work on an internal project for the rest of the year
[12:47] <nikkia> which should be a LOT less stressful
[12:47] <Choubaka> What project is this?
[12:48] <uniqwork> nikkia: sounds nice :)
[12:48] <nikkia> i've been working on high profile public projects since december, both with pretty much 100% crunch time
[12:48] <nikkia> Choubaka: i write software for video gambling terminals
[12:48] <Choubaka> I see.
[12:49] <nikkia> this particular project was a roulette terminal for the spanish market
[12:53] <nikkia> so that what i do doesn't seem quite so off topic, i will point out that the company is using debian + java as their environment :)
[01:35] <uniqwork> gah.. nothing to do at work.. going home.
[01:40] <andrea> hey all
[01:45] <Tm_T> hi kids
[01:52] <ztonzy> hi :)
[01:52] <ztonzy> I have trouble letting kdm autostart 
[01:53] <ztonzy> it just loads a non X login prompt
[01:56] <Tm_T> nikkia: ;p
[02:17] <apokryphos> ztonzy: hey :). Is kdm the default Display Manager?
[02:17] <apokryphos> and, do you have the latest version? I recall previous versions being buggy like that
[02:18] <Tm_T> apokryphos: well, if you install kubuntu, yes and yes(?)
[02:18] <apokryphos> Tm_T: Not if you had Ubuntu and then installed Kubuntu, necessarily (as ztonzy here did)
[02:18] <ztonzy> apokryphos, yes it is
[02:19] <ztonzy> apokryphos, no, other way around...from start
[02:19] <Tm_T> =)
[02:19] <apokryphos> ?
[02:20] <apokryphos> Your KDM might be bust, then. Does GDM work fine?
[02:20] <Tm_T> or display drivers are wrecked
[02:22] <ztonzy> apokryphos, I have told the system NOT to use GDM as bootmanager
[02:22] <ztonzy> I can read that in prompt, system tells me that
[02:23] <Tm_T> ehm hm
[02:23] <apokryphos> Tm_T: I don't think it's that... a lot of people were having this same problem not too long ago. I recall upgrading KDM at the time and it didn't work
[02:23] <apokryphos> I'm on a different installation now, so not sure if upgrading it would've helped
[02:23] <ztonzy> hmm, how to fix it?
[02:24] <ztonzy> before I even tried to uninstall GDM, but it didn't help
[02:24] <apokryphos> I've only really got two thoughts, (i) remove (and purge) kdm, and then try to reinstall, (ii) or report a bug and use GDM in the meanwhile
[02:24] <apokryphos> nah, it's not down to GDM, I'm pretty sure.
[02:25] <ztonzy> but if I kill kdm now...X will crash, right ?
[02:25] <apokryphos> kdm's not running, is it?
[02:25] <apokryphos> you said it took you to login prompt..
[02:25] <ztonzy> yes
[02:26] <ztonzy> but I typed 'sudo kdm'  for start and run me as user and X
[02:26] <apokryphos> and then what did you type?
[02:26] <apokryphos> oh
[02:26] <ztonzy> as autologin for me as user
[02:26] <apokryphos> if kdm is working like that, then I guess we could just put it to autostart in some x file
[02:26] <apokryphos> now, if I had only an idea which one it was ;-). I'll try to find out, hold on.
[02:28] <ztonzy> maybe easiest to re-install it all :P
[02:28] <apokryphos> Might just ask in #ubuntu, hold on
[02:29] <Mez> whats the prob with kdm?
[02:30] <ztonzy> Mez, read above :)
[02:30] <Mez> yeah - lots of confusig stuff... someone explai to me simply so i dont have to read MASSES of backlogs
[02:30] <ztonzy> ztonzy hi :)
[02:30] <ztonzy> ztonzy I have trouble letting kdm autostart 
[02:30] <ztonzy> ztonzy it just loads a non X login prompt
[02:30] <ztonzy> :)
[02:31] <ztonzy> small explain
[02:32] <apokryphos> ztonzy: try selecting it by typing update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
[02:32] <apokryphos> (oh, with sudo of course)
[02:33] <ztonzy> selecting ?
[02:33] <uniq> ztonzy: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm' and 'sudo invoke-rc.d kdm defaults' can also help you.
[02:33] <Mez> ztonzt - check if /etc/init.d/kdm exists
[02:34] <insanekane> uniq: what is this invoke-rc.d ? what does it do ?
[02:34] <ztonzy> uniq, I do wonder if I didnt do that yesterday with help from someone in here
[02:34] <insanekane> uniq: is it better than /etc/init.d/kdm ?
[02:34] <ztonzy> Mez, ok
[02:34] <Mez> does it?
[02:34] <uniq> sorry, make that 'sudo update-rc.d kdm defaults'
[02:34] <ztonzy> Mez, yes
[02:35] <uniq> insanekane: invoke-rc.d is for starting, stopping and restarting services.
[02:35] <Mez> ztonzy, type
[02:35] <uniq> insanekane: it does basically the same as /etc/init.d/kdm something.
[02:35] <Mez> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[02:35] <ztonzy> Mez, hmm why? I am in X
[02:36] <ztonzy> what will happen ?
[02:36] <ztonzy> I dont want to kick X ;)
[02:36] <apokryphos> The problem is that KDM can potentially start, it just doesn't autostart
[02:37] <ztonzy> correct
[02:37] <apokryphos> did you try that update-alternatives?
[02:37] <ztonzy> now I did:
[02:37] <ztonzy> *+    1        /usr/bin/gnome-session      2        /usr/bin/startkde
[02:38] <apokryphos> KDM is not selected there it seems...
[02:38] <apokryphos> did you select 2?
[02:38] <ztonzy> between  gdm/kdm ?  
[02:38] <ztonzy> yes
[02:39] <ztonzy> when I re-installed KDE (or kubuntu when we chatted about it)  yes I selected KDM
[02:39] <apokryphos> Just now, though, when you typed that command, was the * on 1 there?
[02:39] <ztonzy> *+    1        /usr/bin/gnome-session
[02:39] <ztonzy> yes
[02:39] <ztonzy>       2        /usr/bin/startkde
[02:39] <apokryphos> is it on 2 now?
[02:40] <ztonzy> no
[02:40] <ztonzy> it is the star on #1
[02:40] <apokryphos> select for it to go on 2
[02:40] <apokryphos> and I think that should do it...
[02:40] <ztonzy> aah
[02:41] <ztonzy> I selected 2 and did the command again, and the star is in front of #2  now :)  thanks!
[02:41] <ztonzy> I hope it will work
[02:41] <ztonzy> btw
[02:41] <apokryphos> :)
[02:41] <ztonzy> I tried to get aMSN to run....oh man, what a work!
[02:42] <apokryphos> don't use that :P. Kopete is great
[02:42] <ztonzy> until last...I could login and run...but only when none was online at my buddy-list...if they were, aMSN crashed
[02:42] <ztonzy> apokryphos, yah...wanted to test webcamera to windows users though
[02:43] <apokryphos> oh. aMSN has support for it? Cool.
[02:43] <apokryphos> I'll try it out now (aMSN)
[02:43] <ztonzy> in CVS version
[02:44] <insanekane> uniq: oho ... is it possible for me to do the "configure network interfaces ..." thing after kdm starts ?
[02:44] <insanekane> uniq: i need to get up the GUI asap
[02:44] <apokryphos> yup
[02:44] <ztonzy> apokryphos, it is difficult to get it to run, with tcl/tk and all
[02:44] <uniq> insanekane: sure, use update-rc.d
[02:44] <apokryphos> insanekane: I don't know why, but that thing *always* failed on the first time for me. Telling it to retry always seems to work
[02:44] <apokryphos> ztonzy: cvs version might explain why it crashes, then
[02:45] <apokryphos> (that's using DHCP, that is)
[02:45] <ztonzy> apokryphos, well, I had hard times to get latest version run too (not CVS...stable... 0.94)
[02:45] <insanekane> apokryphos: hmm
[02:46] <insanekane> uniq: how ? what does update-rc.d do ? does it compute the dependencies of the startup scripts ?
[02:46] <apokryphos> ztonzy: just got it from repos and it seems to work fine here
[02:47] <insanekane> apokryphos: same for me btw, it just timeouts after a long time, and i have to manually run dhclient to get my network up ... strange
[02:47] <uniq> insanekane: no, it simply manages the symlinks in /etc/rc?.d
[02:47] <insanekane> uniq: oh right
[02:47] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hm ok
[02:48] <uniq> insanekane: you can try 'ksysv' it's apt-getable. does the same graphically.
[02:49] <insanekane> uniq: actually, im looking for a more lasting solution :) im deriving my own distro from kubuntu ...
[02:49] <insanekane> uniq: and looking at things like splash screen and also getting the GUI asap after the power button is switched on
[02:50] <uniq> insanekane: take a look at bootsplash then.
[02:50] <insanekane> uniq: i took a look at splashy ... still a lot of work to be done there
[02:50] <insanekane> uniq: bootsplash requires kernel patches correct ?
[02:50] <uniq> yes.
[02:51] <insanekane> uniq: i want to maintain as much compatibility with Kubuntu as possible ... i really dont want to muck up the kernel :)
[02:51] <insanekane> im waiting for the masters here to patch the kernel for me ;)
[02:51] <insanekane> (which i hope is in breezy)
[02:53] <insanekane> btw, anyone got kusers to work ?
[02:53] <ralf> what is the breezy default compiler?
[02:53] <insanekane> so far, i have not had luck to add any user using kusers
[02:53] <insanekane> ralf: gcc4.0 i think
[02:53] <ralf> insanekane: and it compiles all packages?
[02:53] <ralf> how many ftbfs gcc4 makes?
[02:54] <uniq> a few. but they are beeing fixed by the great motu team.
[02:54] <uniq> and others. :)
[02:54] <ralf> motu?
[02:54] <uniq> ?? motu
[02:54] <kinfo> [MOTU]  Masters of the Universe are the brave souls who try to keep your universe in shape. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[02:54] <ralf> tnx
[02:55] <ralf> there are breezy live cd available?
[02:55] <uniq> !learn FTBFS Fails To Build From Source
[02:55] <kinfo> Inprinted FTBFS (memory injection successful)
[02:55] <uniq> ralf not that i'm aware of.
[02:55] <ralf> and breezy actually is in freeze?
[02:56] <uniq> no. don't think so.
[02:57] <insanekane> uniq: know of any plans to add a splash screen to breezy ?
[02:58] <uniq> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[02:58] <_buz> whats teh roadmap for breezy, anyway
[02:59] <_buz> i mean  bseidesa october release
[03:00] <Tm_T> uniq: oh, seb128 aka sebr?
[03:01] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:01] <Tm_T> nah, looks like different person
[03:05] <uniq> insanekane: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/USplash
[03:07] <ztonzy> apokryphos, thanks for help
[03:07] <ztonzy> bbl!
[03:14] <torz> hello, I've got a really minor question.
[03:14] <Tm_T> shoot
[03:14] <torz> I just installed Kubuntu and trying to adjust the size of the icon size. I've changed it with kcontrol but the change isnt reflecting.
[03:15] <Tm_T> iconsize in where? konqi?
[03:15] <torz> the icons in konqueror arnt just wanting to change
[03:15] <torz> yep
[03:15] <Tm_T> oh, konqi has its own settings ;)
[03:15] <torz> ah
[03:15] <torz> kind of suspected that heh
[03:16] <Tm_T> menu -> view -> icon size ;p
[03:16] <nikkia> torz, tbh, i've never been really happy with the icon size controls in the control centre, they're not particularly obvious as to which control changes which set of icons
[03:16] <torz> damn it! so simple
[03:17] <torz> nikkita: yeah i thought it had centralized control
[03:17] <nikkia> torz, it does, but some apps ignore it :P
[03:17] <torz> heh
[03:17] <torz> yeah this is the first time I'm using KDE
[03:17] <nikkia> torz, and then you have to play the 'is that 'main toolbar' or 'toolbar' game
[03:17] <torz> I've always used Gnome
[03:17] <Tm_T> yuk
[03:17] <torz> heh
[03:17] <Tm_T> torz: I'm glad you found the light ;--P
[03:17] <torz> yeah but I'm also a Mac OS X user :p
[03:18] <nikkia> torz, dear god
[03:18] <nikkia> how can any OS X user bear gnome ???
[03:18] <torz> in fact I'm chatting to you with OS X right now
[03:18] <torz> nikkia: tell uni that :p
[03:18] <torz> plus RedHat is anal with KDE and is soooo biased towards Gnome.
[03:18] <nikkia> i remember my first comment on gnome, years and years ago
[03:18] <nikkia> 'my god, it makes motif look pretty!'
[03:18] <Tm_T> torz: RH is a huge anal itself
[03:19] <torz> Tm_T: agreed.
[03:19] <Tm_T> but we need those big suckers :/
[03:19] <torz> RHEL eh.
[03:19] <insanekane> uniq: i looked at the roadmap ... most of the entries are very GNOME-ey ...
[03:19] <Tm_T> insanekane: yeah, it's Ubuntu-roadmap
[03:20] <torz> and theres something random with my background image as well
[03:20] <torz> I changed my taskbar to "tiny" right?
[03:20] <insanekane> Tm_T: yes ... i thought though, that they would consider kubuntu as well :)
[03:20] <Tm_T> insanekane: you should wait Kubuntu-roadmap to get some KDE related ;)
[03:20] <uniq> insanekane: there is a kubunturoadmap too. 
[03:20] <insanekane> uniq: oh right :) silly me ...
[03:20] <nikkia> torz, the only thing wrong with kubuntu, for a OS X user, is the default 'bottom' position for the panel
[03:20] <uniq> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap
[03:20] <nikkia> ubuntu defaults gnome's to the top, kubuntu should with KDE's too :P
[03:20] <Tm_T> bottoms up!
[03:20] <torz> then I specified my own image for a background and theres a significant black line where the task bar used to cover
[03:20] <Tm_T> nikkia: no!
[03:20] <nikkia> (altho it only takes like 0.5 seconds to fix :)
[03:21] <Tm_T> nikkia: no Gnome defaults please, just stick in KDE world ;)
[03:21] <torz> is "Centered Maxpect" the same as "Stretch"?
[03:21] <insanekane> uniq: seen on KubuntuRoadmap -> "Kubuntu is already the best GNU/Linux distribution available." :)
[03:21] <nikkia> torz, no
[03:22] <nikkia> torz, it'd be called 'stretch' if it was :P
[03:22] <torz> mmmm
[03:22] <nikkia> torz, maxpect retains the correct aspect ratio, iirc
[03:22] <insanekane> uniq: i hope they do not mean "KDE desktop distribution"
[03:22] <torz> mmm wheres the stretch option grrr
[03:22] <nikkia> torz, 'scaled'
[03:23] <uniq> insanekane: you have to belive in what you're working on :)
[03:23] <torz> cant see it
[03:23] <torz> I'm looking at Options
[03:23] <nikkia> torz, it should be just under 'tiled maxpect' i think
[03:23] <torz> which has Position, Colors, and blending
[03:23] <nikkia> torz, in 'position' choose 'scaled'
[03:24] <torz> uhhh
[03:24] <torz> yep I did it
[03:24] <torz> but still no difference
[03:26] <insanekane> uniq: hehe :)
[03:27] <torz> but man KDE is nice :~)
[03:27] <torz> almost Mac OS X nice
[03:28] <Tm_T> hm
[03:28] <Tm_T> I think KDE is far better
[03:28] <nikkia> tm_t, in some ways, in others, OS X is better
[03:28] <Tm_T> OS X is pretty, true... but hey, where's choices?! :p
[03:28] <torz> mmm I guess Ive only used KDE for only 30minutes so far so its too early to judge.
[03:29] <nikkia> tm_t, OS X's benefits go beyond just prettiness, tho
[03:29] <torz> with 10.4 Mac OS X has reached a new level
[03:29] <Tm_T> nikkia: in some cases, yes
[03:29] <nikkia> i'd rate OS X's consistancy one of its key benefits
[03:29] <torz> i.e. Dashboard
[03:30] <_buz> dashboard is quite useless if you ask me
[03:30] <torz> and the Column view kicks arse
[03:30] <torz> its pretty
[03:30] <torz> and its useful
[03:30] <nikkia> torz, look at superkaramba
[03:30] <_buz> as a matter of fact im sitting on a mac right now
[03:30] <torz> _buz: me too :~)
[03:30] <_buz> but im using vnc to get to my kde ;)
[03:30] <_buz> only problem is that the wlan is slightly lossy
[03:30] <torz> nikkia: my background problem with KDE is solved :~), just had to logout and log back in
[03:31] <Distro^Junkie> is there a problem with copying and pasting in konsole ?
[03:31] <nikkia> torz, bizarre, usually changes should be instant
[03:31] <nikkia> distro, only that you can't do it with the keyboard :P
[03:31] <nikkia> well, you can paste with the keyboard
[03:31] <Tm_T> nikkia: false
[03:31] <nikkia> ctrl-c and ctrl-v don't do it tho, obviously
[03:32] <Tm_T> yup
[03:32] <nikkia> you might be able to setup a keyboard shortcut for copy, i haven't tried tbh
[03:32] <torz> btw what controls the font size of under the icons in Konqueror? kcontrol or does it have its own thing like icon sizes
[03:32] <nikkia> i like to avoid changing keyboard shortcuts, too easy to get dependant on them, then be confused when using someone else's machine
[03:34] <insanekane> Distro^Junkie: use Shift+Insert or the middle mouse button to paste
[03:34] <Distro^Junkie> ok thanx insanekane 
[03:34] <torz> I'm going back to the basics and installing EPIC on Kubuntu :~)
[03:34] <insanekane> Distro^Junkie: simply select the line with mouse to copy
[03:34] <nikkia> torz, that isn't basics, that's stone-age :P
[03:35] <torz> nikkia: haha
[03:35] <nikkia> torz, why not just go back to ircII and complete the insanity :)
[03:35] <torz> nikkia: I'm strong xchat fan you see. I started irc with BitchX back in the day.
[03:35] <torz> I still use BitchX over ssh actually
[03:35] <torz> since uni doesnt allow irc traffic (arseholes)
[03:36] <nikkia> torz, i've mostly switched to irsii when i need ssh/console irc
[03:36] <torz> btw while I'm here what movie players do you guys recommend? I've always used mplayer but i want a change since this sytem is nice and fresh :~)
[03:36] <insanekane> torz: kaffeine
[03:36] <_buz> vlc, mplayer or xine
[03:37] <torz> telling me to go have a coffee??
[03:37] <nikkia> i use xine, but only because i can't get mplayer to play ac3, and kaffeine crashes too often
[03:37] <torz> lol joking
[03:37] <Shuddertrix> what _buz typed
[03:37] <insanekane> torz: no :) making a suggestion ... and i hope a strong one ;)
[03:37] <torz> whats the most light-weight one?
[03:37] <nikkia> torz, probably mplayer
[03:37] <nikkia> or 'ffplay'
[03:37] <torz> agreed.
[03:37] <insanekane> nikkia: ive had kaffeine crash on me ... but not after i installed kubuntu
[03:37] <torz> I've always found mplayer to be good
[03:37] <torz> gmplayer :~)
[03:38] <nikkia> insane, it crashes almost every time i try it, for me
[03:38] <Tm_T> torz: Kplayer!
[03:38] <insanekane> nikkia: hmm ..
[03:38] <insanekane> kmplayer
[03:38] <torz> okie dokey, kaffeine is conviniently already in my system so I'll load it up.
[03:38] <insanekane> but im not sure kmplayer is in any of the default repos
[03:38] <insanekane> torz: haha ... :)
[03:38] <torz> btw do I need to download additional codecs 
[03:38] <nikkia> torz, probably
[03:38] <insanekane> torz: probably :)
[03:39] <torz> or is kaffeine nice enough to already have heaps of codecs
[03:39] <insanekane> torz: i do believe that the codecs are available in restricted
[03:39] <insanekane> torz: err .. multiverse
[03:39] <nikkia> torz, i haven't looked, but i'm guessing it uses the avcodec backend
[03:39] <insanekane> torz: mplayer and kaffeine share the codecs
[03:39] <insanekane> torz: or should i say mplayer and xine
[03:40] <nikkia> insane, that depends on how each is built
[03:40] <_buz> kaffeine on ubuntu uses xine afik
[03:40] <nikkia> you CAN build mplayer without avodec support, though you'd probably be insane to do so
[03:40] <nikkia> avcodec
[03:40] <insanekane> nikkia: u mentioned me ?? ;)
[03:41] <torz> mmmmmmmm kunbuntu doesnt automount cds????
[03:41] <torz> ah my bad
[03:41] <torz> it was me
[03:41] <torz> put the cd in a bung way
[03:41] <insanekane> torz: not automount ...but it does show up in media:/
[03:41] <insanekane> LOL
[03:43] <nikkia> 'bung way' ? i do not want to know....
[03:43] <nikkia> lets just say, i had flashbacks to beavis and butthead :P
[03:44] <torz> hmmmm file arnt appearing in /media/cdrom
[03:44] <torz> *files
[03:46] <torz> this stuffed up
[03:46] <torz> this is stuffed up
[03:53] <insanekane> umm ?
[03:53] <insanekane> try /media/hd<partitionnumber>
[03:54] <martinjh99> Is there any way that you can install kdm without kubuntu-default-settings?  I prefer KDM to GDM but am not keen on the Kubuntu default settings...
[03:54] <torz> damn even bigger problem
[03:54] <torz> kubuntu never asked me to set a root password
[03:55] <Shuddertrix> torz: use sudo with your password.
[03:55] <insanekane> i dont think that kdm has kubuntu-deault-settings as a dep ... maybe try --force ??
[03:55] <uniq> kdm has kubuntu-default-settings as a dep.
[03:55] <insanekane> torz: in Kubuntu, we use sudo :)
[03:55] <insanekane> uniq: oho ...
[03:55] <martinjh99> It does at least on Hoary...
[03:55] <torz> ah huh!
[03:55] <torz> its just disabled eh
[03:55] <Shuddertrix> yes
[03:56] <insanekane> uniq: where is the best place to set the default KDE encoding and locale ? I also need to set input method settings ... top of /usr/bin/startkde ?
[03:56] <Shuddertrix> 'sudo passwd root' to set a root password if you have your heart set on it.
[03:56] <chx> hi
[03:56] <uniq> martinjh99: you can be evil and edit the /var/lib/dpkg/status file. find kdm's entry and remove the depend there. but it's -strongly- not recommended. it can seriously break your system if you do something wrong.
[03:57] <Mez> hmm... 
[03:57] <uniq> insanekane: just for KDE? 
[03:57] <Mez> how do i get my ~/.bashrc to run automatically when i load a konsole
[03:57] <martinjh99> uniq> Not a good idea... 
[03:57] <uniq> insanekane: i'd suggest setting all the environment variables in /etc/environment if you can. 
[03:58] <uniq> martinjh99: no, it's not a good idea unless you really know what you're doing.
[03:58] <insanekane> uniq: excellent, thanks :)
[03:58] <martinjh99> Mez>Should work straight off as soon as you open a konsole window.
[03:58] <Mez> weird
[03:58] <martinjh99> Uniq>Think I'll give that one a miss...
[03:59] <uniq> :)
[04:00] <insanekane> uniq: btw, I have 3 machines running Kubuntu in the most prestigious research libraries in Kerala, and one of the finest of India :)
[04:00] <uniq> insanekane: great :)
[04:01] <insanekane> uniq: basically, the library runs on Kubuntu now, as a result of one of my specialized library automation systems
[04:01] <uniq> cool :)
[04:01] <insanekane> uniq: acually, i was proud to install it :)
[04:01] <torz> i fixed my mounting problem but mmmm had to manually do it... (hence I needed root)
[04:02] <torz> although I really shouldnt have to # mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /media/cdrom   every time
[04:02] <insanekane> haah .. cool :)
[04:02] <Shuddertrix> now, it's all of them, even the emacs/ibooks
[04:02] <insanekane> torz: hmm .. u shouldnt really have to ... media:/ ioslave does it for you
[04:03] <uniq> torz: make sure you have the 'pmount' package installed.
[04:03] <insanekane> torz: i have so far not needed to mount cds with console, and after a small change to pmount, neither for hard disks
[04:03] <torz> uhhh kaffeine isnt bad at all. Nice program
[04:04] <insanekane> uniq: isnt that installed by default in hoary ?
[04:04] <torz> starting to like KDE :~)
[04:04] <martinjh99> Talking of mounting CD's how can I change it so I can run programs off em...  They are mounted noexec I think...
[04:04] <insanekane> torz: haha :)
[04:04] <uniq> insanekane: hey.. can i have the source with your pmount changes please? 
[04:04] <martinjh99> Torz>Now you liked KDE...? ;)  I have lked KDE since1.x...
[04:04] <insanekane> uniq: emm ... sure, but its so small, id rather tell you what to comment out ;)
[04:05] <insanekane> uniq: btw, i have read that the change i have made, is not recommended due to security ..
[04:05] <uniq> insanekane: don't remember 
[04:05] <uniq> gah.
[04:05] <uniq> don't remember if pmount is installed by default or not.
[04:05] <torz> martinjh99: I'm still a OS X guy but meh KDE isnt bad so far.
[04:05] <insanekane> ok
[04:05] <torz> I've only used KDE for 1hr so far :~)
[04:06] <insanekane> LOL
[04:06] <torz> too early to judge
[04:06] <uniq> insanekane: haven't had a look at the pmount source my self.. but i could need that feature at work.
[04:06] <insanekane> torz: google for io-slaves, and u will like it more :)
[04:06] <martinjh99> Torz>Never used OSx or any mac os to be honest...
[04:06] <torz> insanekane: okie dokey
[04:06] <insanekane> uniq: sure, its simple enough ...
[04:06] <torz> io-slaves eh
[04:06] <uniq> insanekane: ok. then don't bother with the source :)
[04:07] <torz> I'm running it on my ex router as well! Pentium3 550MHz
[04:07] <torz> and its running super nice
[04:07] <chx> I have a lame question. the wiki says about eclipse: Actually these breezy packages should build fine for Hoary too. You can probably just apt-get source them and let it rip.
[04:07] <torz> I was told that KDE is heavy as hell but man! it sure isnt
[04:07] <chx> is there something to RTFM?
[04:07] <insanekane> torz: yes, ioslaves ... u can also check Help in Kubuntu to learn more about each io-slave
[04:08] <torz> insanekane: sure will. At the moment I'm just amazed with how fine it runs on P3 550MHz.
[04:09] <torz> which shows how Kununtu isnt a dog at all
[04:10] <Distro^Junkie> what version of openoffice are we at now ?
[04:11] <Distro^Junkie> can we get 2.0 yet ?
[04:11] <KaiL_> openoffice.org2
[04:11] <martinjh99> Openoffice is still at 1.1.4 there is a version of 2.0Beta in Universe I think - Its not the latest Beta though.
[04:11] <KaiL_> some beta
[04:11] <torz> 2.0 with Database :~) I'm interested as well
[04:12] <torz> hopefully it'll eat MS Access
[04:13] <insanekane> martinjh99: its not  .... but its very very nice :)
[04:13] <martinjh99> True - Using latest beta on Windows...
[04:14] <chx> hmmm when I last tried OO2 (M59 me thinks) it eat all my memory and panicked the kernel...
[04:15] <martinjh99> Should be better is now on 109 or there abouts...
[04:15] <chx> oh
[04:15] <martinjh99> Should download the latest one for Linux...
[04:17] <martinjh99> I am looking forward to KDE4...  Sounds like there is some new and interesting goodies on the way...
[04:18] <torz> do you guys know how edit the options in context click (right click)? I want to add konsole in it
[04:18] <insanekane> right click ?
[04:18] <torz> *how to
[04:19] <insanekane> right click where ? on desktop ?
[04:19] <torz> yep
[04:19] <insanekane> hmm
[04:19] <torz> like Gnome... the first choice you have is the terminal
[04:19] <insanekane> not sure if you can ... but probably via .desktop files
[04:19] <torz> which is nice
[04:19] <Tm_T> torz: rightclick on desktop -> configure -> 
[04:20] <torz> ah huh
[04:20] <Tm_T> behaviour -> right button -> custom menu -> customize it ;p
[04:20] <Tm_T> too damn simple
[04:20] <torz> wooooooooo
[04:20] <torz> cool!
[04:20] <torz> thanks a lot
[04:20] <Tm_T> torz: but, why you need Konsole in there?
[04:20] <Tm_T> you can keep it open all the time
[04:21] <Tm_T> like I do, all 6(?)
[04:21] <torz> Tm_T: true that but I'm soooo used to it being there
[04:21] <Tm_T> heh
[04:23] <Distro^Junkie> hey Tm_T what do you use when grabbing from svn ?
[04:23] <uniq> well.. dinner.
[04:25] <insanekane> Distro^Junkie: eSvn is nice and easy :)
[04:25] <Distro^Junkie> what about all the tools for say making amarok install 
[04:26] <Distro^Junkie> I know i need gcc and autoconf
[04:26] <Distro^Junkie> and automake
[04:26] <nikkia> last time i built amarok, i think it needed a specific (old) version of automake, at that
[04:26] <martinjh99> Distro^Junkie - apt-get install build-essential
[04:26] <uniq> if you do 'apt-cache showsrc amarok' you get an idea about what you need.
[04:26] <Distro^Junkie> thanx martinjh99 that's what I was looking for
[04:27] <martinjh99> NP - DJ
[04:29] <Distro^Junkie> hmmm what headers did you need martinjh99 
[04:29] <Distro^Junkie> ?
[04:29] <Distro^Junkie> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[04:29] <martinjh99> Haven't compiled Amarok DJ...  Tend to compile KDE styles ;)
[04:29] <martinjh99> xlibs-dev I think or something like it..
[04:30] <Distro^Junkie> k found it
[04:30] <nikkia> x-dev these days
[04:31] <Tm_T> Distro^Junkie: Konsole: svn up blah blah
[04:32] <Tm_T> nikkia: unsermake rocks
[04:33] <torz> damn kubuntu doesnt install gcc by default?
[04:33] <nikkia> torz, no, and i found even when i had installed it, it didn't set up a default symlink for /usr/bin/g++
[04:34] <torz> nikkia: is there a nice kubuntu package website where i can download it from
[04:34] <nikkia> ie, it just left g++ as /usr/bin/g++-3.4 or something like that
[04:34] <torz> ah
[04:34] <torz> yuck
[04:34] <torz> ln -s
[04:34] <nikkia> torz, just chose it in your package manager of choice :)
[04:34] <torz> yum?
[04:34] <nikkia> torz, yeah, thats what i ended up doing, it might have been fixed now tho
[04:35] <torz> nikkia: what package manager do you recommend?
[04:35] <nikkia> i use aptitude, but that's me
[04:35] <torz> since you seem to have been using kubuntu for a while
[04:35] <torz> okay
[04:35] <nikkia> not that long, actually
[04:35] <nikkia> only about a month, 6 weeks maybe, before that i was a knoppix user
[04:35] <Tm_T> heh
[04:35] <Tm_T> apt from Konsole <3
[04:36] <nikkia> tm_t, i find apt to be too painful when something 'doesn't quite go right'
[04:36] <nikkia> eg, 'ok, i'm going to remove 4000 packages, including all of X, all of kde, all of gnome...' :)
[04:36] <nikkia> ('argh, i only asked to upgrade vim!!!'
[04:37] <torz> nikkia: I'll just use whats already there
[04:37] <torz> kynaptic or whatever
[04:37] <nikkia> torz, i found kynaptic painful, tbh
[04:37] <torz> lol
[04:37] <torz> bummer
[04:37] <martinjh99> Torz> I prefer Synaptic...
[04:37] <nikkia> it doesn't have all the features of synaptic
[04:38] <torz> does Synaptic come with Kubuntu?
[04:38] <KaiL_> torz: apt-get install synaptic
[04:38] <KaiL_> then yes .)
[04:38] <torz> hahaha
[04:38] <martinjh99> Yup - Just apt-get install synaptic will pull some gnome libs but not many
[04:38] <nikkia> you'll probably end up with a full set of gnome libs over time anyway :P
[04:38] <torz> martinjh99: you say it like its a bad thing :p
[04:38] <nikkia> there's always *somethign* you want that needs them
[04:39] <martinjh99> Nahh not really just warning you... ;)
[04:39] <martinjh99> Like GIMP, Firefox for eg
[04:39] <torz> oh right
[04:39] <nikkia> martin, why would people want gimp or firefox ? :P
[04:39] <Distro^Junkie> hy what's the kde headers named ?
[04:39] <torz> firefox is nice
[04:39] <nikkia> distro, kdelibs4-dev ?
[04:39] <Distro^Junkie> firefox is awesome
[04:39] <torz> nikkia: you dont like firefox?
[04:39] <martinjh99> Well I prefer Firefox to Konq...
[04:40] <nikkia> torz, it was 'humour'
[04:40] <nikkia> not very good humour, but humour
[04:40] <torz> kamil vs thunder bird, how bout that?
[04:40] <nikkia> torz, gimp and firefox run on my machine pretty much 100% of the time
[04:40] <torz> thunderbird more rather
[04:40] <nikkia> usually several instances of each
[04:40] <Distro^Junkie> nm found them 
[04:41] <torz> damn Kubuntu for not having gcc! can't do anything without it
[04:41] <nikkia> only when i positively have to, mind you :)
[04:42] <martinjh99> torz> apt-get install build-essential - That installs the compiler, make and other needed compiling things,,
[04:42] <nikkia> (which is usually after about the 400th time in a row doing the same mindlessly repetitive task, such as turning off layers :)
[04:42] <torz> ah sounds good
[04:43] <martinjh99> Doesnt install any headers you have to foind those yourself depending on what you are compiling...
[04:43] <torz> yep
[04:51] <rodolfo> hi, is it possible/suggested to upgrade to kde 3.4.1?
[04:52] <martinjh99> Yup you can do it -you need to add another line to sources.list can't remember what it is off hand at the moment.
[04:52] <martinjh99> Anyone know if you can have a connection to 2 servers at once with Konversation..?
[04:53] <Distro^Junkie> was lame taken out of the repo ?
[04:53] <Distro^Junkie> can't seem to download it
[04:54] <martinjh99> Not a clue...
[04:55] <Distro^Junkie> backports still up ?
[04:56] <martinjh99> DJ BAckports is still about yeah...  backports.ubuntuforums.org
[04:56] <Distro^Junkie> ahh that's why I got mirrormax as the backport
[04:57] <martinjh99> Thats the homepage!  My mirror is ftp2.caliu.info
[04:58] <Distro^Junkie> ok found that martinjh99 
[04:58] <Distro^Junkie> thanx alot
[04:58] <martinjh99> No worries mate
[04:59] <martinjh99> Catch ya all later
[04:59] <insanekane> martinjh99: yes you can connect to more than 1 IRC server
[04:59] <martinjh99> Hows that just another /server command?
[04:59] <Distro^Junkie> crap how do I add that in sources.list
[04:59] <martinjh99> DJ sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list ;)
[05:00] <Distro^Junkie> what's the line I put in ?
[05:01] <martinjh99> deb http://ftp2.caliu.info/backports/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted 
[05:01] <martinjh99> deb http://ftp2.caliu.info/backports/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted 
[05:01] <martinjh99> deb http://ftp2.caliu.info/backports/ hoary-backports-staging main universe multiverse restricted  
[05:01] <martinjh99> deb http://ftp2.caliu.info/backports/ hoary-extras-staging main universe multiverse restricted  
[05:01] <martinjh99> Thats my entries...
[05:02] <Distro^Junkie> ok
[05:02] <martinjh99> You just need to work out where your mirrors are...
[05:08] <troy> anyone using the radeon express 200 vid chip successfully?
[05:14] <spierrel> Hi,
[05:14] <spierrel> Hi, I am currently building packages of kexi for kubuntu ...
[05:14] <spierrel> Are there people interested to test and check the result?
[05:14] <spierrel> PS: kexi 0.9
[05:26] <Riddell> spierrel: we have kexi packages, they're just stuck in the build daemons
[05:32] <torz> I need serious help with kppp fellows
[05:33] <torz> The problem is pretty random. I managed get kppp to connect to my isp but as soon as I click "continue" i get an error: Exit Status: 1
[05:33] <torz> The problem is pretty random. I managed get kppp to connect to my isp but as soon as I click "continue" i get an error: Exit Status: 1
[05:33] <torz> The problem is pretty random. I managed get kppp to connect to my isp but as soon as I click "continue" i get an error: Exit Status: 1
[05:33] <torz> The problem is pretty random. I managed get kppp to connect to my isp but as soon as I click "continue" i get an error: Exit Status: 1
[05:33] <torz> oops
[05:33] <torz> my bad
[05:33] <torz> The remote system is required to authenticate itself.
[05:33] <torz> but I couldnt find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so.
[05:33] <torz> thats the error I get :~(
[05:35] <troy> try creating a new Account in kppp to get the default settings.  looks like a config error of somesort
[05:35] <torz> mmm I have :~(
[05:35] <nikkia> torz, sounds like a CHAP issue
[05:36] <nikkia> torz, there's probably documentation on setting up CHAP authentication somewhere on the net
[05:37] <spierrel> Riddell: Is it possible to wonload them to test?
[05:37] <torz> CHAP eh
[05:37] <nikkia> basically, you need to configure chap-secrets in /etc/ppp
[05:37] <torz> okie dokie
[05:37] <nikkia> torz, there are 3 main methods of authenticating PPP
[05:37] <Riddell> spierrel: apt-get source kexi  in breezy
[05:37] <troy> nikkia: kppp is supposed to take care of that...
[05:37] <nikkia> 1) is the usual login/password, 2) CHAP, and 3) PAP
[05:37] <nikkia> CHAP and PAP both rely on sending ppp configuration packets after connection and ppp is up and running, that ask the server/client to authenticate
[05:38] <nikkia> troy, it does, sort of
[05:38] <chx> hi. is there a way to mount a filesystem through (S)FTP ?
[05:38] <nikkia> troy, some ISPs send funnily formatted usernames that somehow don't confuse MS PPP systems, but DO confuse pppd/kppp
[05:38] <uniq> nikkia: you had a ipod right? 
[05:38] <nikkia> uniq, yeah
[05:38] <troy> chx: in kde you don't need to... just use sftp:// from any file dialog/browser, etc.
[05:39] <uniq> nikkia: up for testing the shiny new and cleaned up ipodslave? 
[05:39] <nikkia> uniq, and its 'have' unless you know something i don't about when i went to the bank earlier :P
[05:39] <nikkia> uniq, tbh, ipodslave does me no good...
[05:39] <chx> troy: it's a wide world outside of KDE
[05:39] <nikkia> uniq, i didn't realise until i tested it yesterday, that it doesn't support AAC files
[05:39] <nikkia> uniq, and all my music is in AAC
[05:39] <chx> troy: it'd be great if I could mount whatever kio supports...
[05:40] <troy> chx: true enough... there are a few projects that are working on something quite like that, however the names escape me at the moment
[05:40] <uniq> nikkia: ok.. but just to test the package? :)
[05:40] <nikkia> uniq, ok
[05:41] <torz> nikkia: mmm I see
[05:41] <troy> chx: http://kde.ground.cz/tiki-index.php?page=KIO+Fuse+Gateway
[05:41] <nikkia> uniq, have you uploaded it to the usual place ?
[05:41] <nikkia> no, obviously not :P
[05:42] <torz> nikkia: so what do you suggest I do? look around google?
[05:42] <uniq> nikkia: the i386 package is building as we speak. i'll ping you when it's there. just realized i compiled it locally.. and that's ppc.
[05:42] <troy> chx: as you can see, the work involved in this case far outweighs the real benefits for the casual user :)
[05:42] <uniq> nikkia: i'll tell you when it's done.
[05:43] <nikkia> torz, reading this may help: http://www.faqs.org/docs/linux_network/x-087-2-ppp.authentication.html
[05:43] <chx> troy: does the Ubuntu kernel support FUSE by default?
[05:43] <troy> chx: not by default, no
[05:44] <troy> chx: but it's just a module, so you don't have to rebuild the kernel or anything
[05:44] <nikkia> torz, what you'll probably find, though, is that your ppp target is sending you junk auth requests, BT do for example, and you have to 'force' it to use the username your ISP supplied
[05:45] <nikkia> torz, there's an option in pppd's config that tells it what CHAP authentication username to tell the remote end you want to use is
[05:46] <torz> righto
[05:46] <torz> reading time :~)
[05:47] <troy> chx: you can use fuse without kio (still supports a lot of things)... see http://sourceforge.net/projects/fuse/
[05:48] <troy> chx: the fuse-kio bridge docs are out of date anyway... not sure if it's actively maintained
[05:48] <torz> nikkia: I'm starting to think using wvdial will be easier
[05:50] <troy> does anyone know why IDE would be really slow using the ATI chipset? (and/or how to fix)
[05:52] <troy> morning aaron :)
[05:52] <nikkia> troy, most likely its using PIO
[05:56] <troy> and as I'm new to *ubuntu, what is the recommended way to get a recent kernel?
[05:57] <penguinboy> troy just type at terminal:  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:57] <uniq> troy: you can get the source from kernel.org and use the config from /boot/ too compile it.
[05:58] <uniq> -o
[05:58] <troy> uniq: don't really feel like compiling it... just want a recent package
[05:58] <uniq> troy: the most recent you find is the almost-2.6.12 in breezy.
[05:58] <uniq> afaik.
[05:59] <troy> uniq: what do I need to add to my sources.list (or is there a FAQ someplace)
[06:01] <uniq> troy: i woundn't suggest upgrading to breezy.
[06:01] <chx> OK, I am trying to get FUSE working
[06:02] <chx> it's a kernel module, do I need to download and configure the whole kernel tree?
[06:02] <nikkia> this may seem like a silly question
[06:02] <nikkia> but is there a way to do redirected IO with sudo ?
[06:02] <troy> chx: depends how the package is set up... in some cases, you just need the kernel headers around
[06:03] <chx> checking kernel source directory... Not found <= hm, I'll need this. 
[06:03] <chx> Is there a separate source for -k7 kernel or how do I get the same kernel ?
[06:04] <uniq> nikkia: redirect how? 
[06:04] <troy> uniq: is it safe to pull just a kernel from breezy and stick into hoary?
[06:04] <uniq> nikkia: i386 packages at http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/ipodslave/
[06:05] <nikkia> uniq as in command > output, where output is in a dir only root can write to
[06:05] <uniq> troy: i do it with powerpc. don't know for i386.
[06:05] <troy> uniq: well, if it break, the only thing I've lost is some time :)
[06:05] <_nate_> nikkia, have you tried sudo "command > output"
[06:05] <_nate_> nikkia, or something similar?
[06:06] <torum> nikkia: I flagged kppp
[06:06] <torum> nikkia: but if you ctcp me, you will see that I'm using Kubuntu :~)
[06:08] <torum> I used wvdial instead
[06:09] <uniq> nikkia: sudo sh -c "your command > bah"
[06:11] <Choubaka> :|
[06:11] <Choubaka> what's wrong with sudo command > bah?
[06:12] <uniq> it'll redirect the output with user permissions.. not root.
[06:12] <Choubaka> hmm
[06:23] <nikkia> uniq, which package do you want me to test?
[06:23] <nikkia> ipodslave or ipodslave-dev ?
[06:24] <uniq> ipodslave
[06:24] <uniq> ipodslave-dev is just development headers.
[06:24] <nikkia> still seems to work
[06:24] <nikkia> is there any significant difference ?
[06:24] <uniq> no. just packaging changes.
[06:44] <chx> the trick for FUSE install is: install the relevant kernel-headers package. for me , its linux-headers-2.6.10-5-k7
[06:44] <chx> where should I report that fuse-source package actually depends on linux-headers?
[06:44] <troy> should be common sense
[06:44] <chx> troy: oh come on
[06:45] <troy> when building a kernel module, you need the kernel headers :)
[06:45] <troy> same thing happens for ATI drivers, etc.
[06:45] <chx> troy: Oh yes. This is Linux. After you have done , and blow one hour with something it's trivial indeed
[06:46] <chx> last night when I was installing grub for 1.5 hours
[06:46] <troy> sorry, sometimes I forget what user level experiences are like... I last used a real package-based distro in like... 1999 :)
[06:46] <chx> after it I was unable to tell why did it lasted so long
[06:47] <troy> or whenever mandrake 7 existed... :P
[06:47] <troy> yesterday I installed ubuntu on my girlfriend's laptop, after searching for a desktop distro of good reputation...
[06:48] <troy> and so today, I'm playing with it on my amd64 system
[06:48] <troy> so far, am impressed
[06:53] <hon> is there any kdm theme featuring user photos?
[06:54] <insanekane> hon: kubuntu splash :)
[06:55] <insanekane> hon: u can change the logos in the login manager in control centre
[06:55] <hon> oops! I instantly changed the kubuntu splash to the gear
[06:55] <hon> so I'll check kubuntu splash now. thanks
[06:59] <chx> without logging out and in how can I get Linux to reread which groups I belong to?
[07:28] <ztonzy> hmm
[07:29] <ztonzy> why wont some jpg gif and just some particular just show up in filewindow in konqueror
[07:29] <ztonzy> while others dont
[07:29] <insanekane> maybe because they are evil ?
[07:29] <ztonzy> uh ?
[07:30] <uniq> like previews or show up at all? 
[07:30] <ztonzy> previews works...
[07:30] <ztonzy> as icons in filewindow...but when doubleclick for higher size 
[07:30] <ztonzy> that some but some doesn't
[07:55] <troy> what source should I be using for a most-recent kernel (I have very new hardware, needs additional support over 2.6.10)
[08:01] <uniq> troy: didn't the one from breezy work? 
[08:01] <troy> don't know the sources to get it ;)
[08:01] <troy> looking through FAQ's are leading around in big ole' circles...
[08:02] <troy> and also, if I add breezy sources, does that in any way inhibit my hoary sources? (I've never used a deb based distro before)
[08:02] <uniq> ?? p.u.c
[08:02] <kinfo> [p.u.c]  http://packages.ubuntu.com
[08:02] <uniq> there you can search for files and packages.
[08:03] <troy> that's what I needed, thx :)
[08:03] <uniq> you want to go to http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/newpkg_main to find your kernel.
[08:03] <uniq> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/devel/linux-headers-2.6.12-2-686 this maybe? 
[08:03] <uniq> ehm.. no sorry.
[08:03] <mart> nah, need an image
[08:03] <uniq> not linux-headers :)
[08:04] <uniq> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/base/linux-image-2.6.12-2-686 - there. if you have a 686 compatible cpu.
[08:04] <Tm_T> uh oh
[08:05] <Tm_T> so there's 2.6.12 packages already?!
[08:05] <troy> I'm assuming I need to grab image, headers, and restricted-modules for that kernel version?
[08:06] <uniq> you only need the image to make it run. restricted-modules depends on your hardware.. headers is just for development.
[08:07] <Tm_T> ie if you have to compile modules etc
[08:07] <uniq> things like that.
[08:07] <Tm_T> like I have to do
[08:08] <uniq> looks like you also need a updated version of initrd-tools.
[08:09] <uniq> that should be it.
[08:10] <troy> I'm going to try to get into irc from the kubuntu box... my router doesn't always like that...
[08:10] <troy> brb
[08:11] <Neuromantik> are the ubuntuforums resolving for anyone ?
[08:14] <uniq> ubuntuforums.org has address 64.21.33.9
[08:14] <CavalierBob> Neuromantik: not for me.
[08:14] <Neuromantik> great
[08:14] <Neuromantik> ty ;)
[08:14] <hussam> Neuromantik: ubuntuforums won't open here
[08:15] <Neuromantik> trying to work out sound
[08:15] <Neuromantik> INEED THE FORUMS ... ELSE i'LL BOTHER EVERYONE HERE
[08:15] <uniq> it's my cache.. actually.. checking with outside nameservers and it won't resolve.
[08:15] <Neuromantik> oops
[08:15] <Neuromantik> sorry for the caps lock
[08:16] <Neuromantik> is it normal for kubuntu not to have sound (even though alsamixer shows the proper device) after installing ?
[08:16] <uniq> no, that's not normal.
[08:17] <Neuromantik> hmm
[08:17] <Neuromantik> I know my sound works... was working in gentoo and winxp no problem
[08:17] <Neuromantik> but kubuntu is just driving me insane
[08:20] <Neuromantik> well ... anyone have an idea... lspci shows 0000:01:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04), alsamixer shows the proper device and the channels are not muted//
[08:20] <Neuromantik> yet... no sound is coming out of my speakers
[08:21] <troy_> alright... should I follow the whole dependancy chain? (libc, etc.? or will I be okay?)
[08:22] <CavalierBob> Neuromantik: I have odd probs where the aRts daemon (artsd) can't find my sound device sometimes. No reason for it..sometimes several reboots needed.
[08:22] <Neuromantik> CavalierBob, hmm
[08:23] <Neuromantik> even killall -9 artsd hasn't helped
[08:23] <Neuromantik> and setting kde to use alsa..
[08:23] <Neuromantik> ok .. will try a reboot
[08:28] <Neuromantik> still nothing
[08:29] <troy_> what is the command to update a package (assuming I've manually fetched the deb)
[08:30] <uniq> dpkg -i package.deb
[08:30] <troy_> cool
[08:30] <Tm_T> I won't say a thing
[08:31] <Neuromantik> generally ... when dealing with (k)ubuntu... it's best to use the specific ubuntu packages is it not ?
[08:32] <uniq> yes.
[08:34] <Neuromantik> this sound issue has me stumped
[08:34] <Neuromantik> even xmms is behaving as if I have working sound
[08:34] <Neuromantik> i.e.
[08:34] <Neuromantik> yet nothing from the speaks.... oss, alsa
[08:35] <Neuromantik> all the same (non) resultds
[08:35] <troy_> Tm_T: I'm coming from a long unix history, and never touched a deb in my life :)
[08:35] <CavalierBob> Neuromantik: That's the same prob I see when the daemon barfs on my sound device...evrything looks good but no sound.
[08:36] <nikkia> Neuromantik: you have made sure the speakers are turned on, right?? :P
[08:36] <Neuromantik> CavalierBob, how I wish it would just work :)
[08:36] <Neuromantik> nikkia, ya
[08:36] <Neuromantik> nikkia, was in gentoo last night playing with Traktor via wine on this pc
[08:36] <troy_> anyway, going down for a reboot with new kernel 
[08:36] <Tm_T> uh oh
[08:37] <Neuromantik> CavalierBob, so ... maybe killing off artsd and restarting it enough times might just 'work' ?
[08:38] <uniq> try to kill artsd and have xmms play directly to oss.. just to see if it's a artsd issue or not.
[08:39] <CavalierBob> Neuromatik: I actually stop the sound server from the Control Center, reboot, restart the sound server, and, most times, it works. I have it set to autodetect there, but for awhile I was telling it to use ALSA. Now back to autodetect.
[08:40] <Neuromantik> CavalierBob, reboots really shouldn't be needed
[08:40] <Neuromantik> simply running killall -9 artsd && artsd &   should do the same
[08:40] <Neuromantik> nope .. nogo on the oss
[08:40] <Neuromantik> unix_connect: can't connect to server (unix:/tmp/mcop-neuro/localhost_localdomain-1d49-42c04599)
[08:40] <Neuromantik> hmmm
[08:41] <CavalierBob> Neuromantik: I know...can't explain it. Just stopping the sound server and restarting didn't seem to work for me.
[08:41] <Neuromantik> weirdness :)
[08:41] <Neuromantik> I feel like a newb
[08:42] <CavalierBob> Neuromantik: I *am* a newb, so be warned! :)
[08:42] <Neuromantik> hah
[08:43] <Neuromantik> what's killing me.... I know it's probably something so tiny and simple
[08:43] <Neuromantik> yet where to find it... is my dilema
[08:44] <Neuromantik> everything else works like a dream though
[08:44] <Neuromantik> and it's fast (kubuntu)
[08:44] <deadlyshadow> Can anyone help me with Baghira? :(
[08:45] <deadlyshadow> The problem is that it doesn't show up in the CP or anything.
[08:47] <F_for_Fragging> deadlyshadow: what do you mean with CP?
[08:47] <Neuromantik> no clue on baghira... 
[08:48] <mrmanic> deadlyshadow: did you install it from a deb?
[08:48] <troy_> well, new kernel works... sort of.  hangs on boot while loading modules for my perfectly typical ide cd-rom
[08:48] <troy_> disabled the cd-rom in bios and it boots
[08:49] <mrmanic> deadlyshadow: or did you apt-get it?
[08:49] <deadlyshadow> Sorry back.
[08:49] <deadlyshadow> Aptitude.
[08:49] <deadlyshadow> Control Panel.
[08:49] <F_for_Fragging> deadlyshadow: to enable the theme you have to choose it in the Control Center under Appearence & Themes -> Theme Manager / Style
[08:50] <troy_> has anyone experienced an error on boot at all similar to this (amd64): hdd: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason = 0x01)
[08:50] <F_for_Fragging> deadlyshadow: ah, Control Panel... in KDe it's called the Control Center
[08:50] <deadlyshadow> Yeah thats what I meant, sorry. :(
[08:51] <deadlyshadow> BRB, my computer is messing up.
[08:51] <Neuromantik> ok ... I'll try a reinstall
[08:52] <mrmanic> deadlyshadow: I just installed it via apt-get and I see it in settings:/LookNFeel/Style and settings:/LookNFeel/Window Decorations
[08:52] <mrmanic> ooh
[08:53] <deadlyshadow> Sorry back. :)
[08:53] <unome> what's baghira?
[08:54] <mrmanic> deadlyshadow: I just installed it via apt-get and I see it in settings:/LookNFeel/Style and settings:/LookNFeel/Window Decorations
[08:54] <F_for_Fragging> a window decoration for KDe which looks like the mac theme
[08:54] <mrmanic> unome: it's a window decoration/style to look like osx panther
[08:54] <unome> available via apt-get?
[08:54] <mrmanic> yes
[08:54] <mrmanic> kwin-baghira
[08:54] <deadlyshadow> I don't see it. :(
[08:54] <unome> I prefer authentic KDE look
[08:55] <unome> any KDE looking themes available via apt-get?
[08:55] <mrmanic> unome: by "Authentic KDE look", do you mean plastik?
[08:55] <unome> mrmanic: any theme that dont mimic other OS's
[08:55] <mrmanic> I see.
[08:55] <unome> KDE is unique and should stay that way
[08:56] <mrmanic> there are lots of window decorations available
[08:56] <mrmanic> and widget styles too
[08:56] <deadlyshadow> OH, I see.
[08:56] <deadlyshadow> No candidate version found for kwin-baghira
[08:56] <deadlyshadow> Thats the problem.
[08:56] <deadlyshadow> How do I fix it. :S
[08:56] <deadlyshadow> LOL.
[08:58] <tekeo> hello guys :)
[08:58] <mrmanic> probably you'll need to modify your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:58] <mrmanic> hi tekeo 
[08:59] <tekeo> I'm trying to install themes on kde
[08:59] <deadlyshadow> What do I add to it?
[08:59] <tekeo> but I just can't make it understand that it's themes :@
[08:59] <brk3> hi, can anyone tell me how to get midi working in kubuntu? I have a sound-font but not sure what to do next..
[08:59] <mrmanic> unome: apt-cache search kdeartwork
[08:59] <deadlyshadow> I can just add it from Repositoriess can't I
[08:59] <mrmanic> deadlyshadow: I don't know, I don't use synaptic
[08:59] <deadlyshadow> In Synpatic?
[08:59] <mrmanic> :)
[08:59] <deadlyshadow> Interesting.
[08:59] <unome> mrmanic: I just installed it, assumed I had it for some reason but it wans't there
[08:59] <tekeo> how to install themes?
[09:00] <mrmanic> tekeo: what exactly do you want?
[09:00] <tekeo> I download themes from www.kde-look.org
[09:01] <deadlyshadow> Whats Sid?
[09:01] <tekeo> and I unpack them and press install theme on control center
[09:01] <deadlyshadow> It says to apt-get install it from Sid.
[09:01] <deadlyshadow> :S
[09:01] <mrmanic> deadlyshadow: sid is debian unstable.
[09:01] <deadlyshadow> Oh.
[09:01] <mrmanic> one sec, I'll find the repository I used
[09:01] <deadlyshadow> Can I get it?
[09:01] <deadlyshadow> OK, thanks. :)
[09:02] <mrmanic> deadlyshadow: have you enabled universe?
[09:02] <deadlyshadow> No, I haven't, most likely because I don't know what it is.
[09:02] <mrmanic> ok
[09:02] <tekeo> so how to install themes
[09:02] <mrmanic> that's the problem
[09:02] <tekeo> damn it
[09:03] <mrmanic> tekeo: I don't know off the top of my head.  I don't tend to dl off of kde-look
[09:03] <deadlyshadow> Well, what do I do then?
[09:03] <brk3> unome: nice one :)
[09:03] <mrmanic> deadlyshadow: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:04] <apollo2011> How do you execute a .sh file?
[09:04] <deadlyshadow> sh filename.sh
[09:04] <deadlyshadow> I think.
[09:04] <deadlyshadow> Something like that.
[09:04] <deadlyshadow> I'm not sure.
[09:04] <tekeo> does no one know how to install themes :|
[09:05] <unome> tekeo: what theme are you trying to install?
[09:05] <brk3> tekeo: dont think so! its annoying
[09:05] <deadlyshadow> Hey, mrmanic, what do i do next?
[09:05] <mrmanic> deadlyshadow: uncomment deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[09:05] <brk3> tekeo: i was asking the same thing here a while ago
[09:06] <mrmanic> tekeo: which theme are you trying to install?
[09:06] <tekeo> green on black
[09:06] <mrmanic> tekeo: can you post me a url?
[09:06] <tekeo> sure
[09:06] <deadlyshadow> Done, now let me try. :)
[09:06] <tekeo> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=10106&vote=good&tan=51383260
[09:06] <penguinboy> is transgress here?
[09:07] <mrmanic> deadlyshadow: make sure you update in synaptic first.
[09:08] <mrmanic> tekeo: ok, give me a couple of minutes
[09:08] <deadlyshadow> Yay, thanks.
[09:08] <tekeo> thx
[09:08] <deadlyshadow> Now lets see if Baghira works.
[09:08] <tekeo> I have to go now but can u post me a private message and I will check it in an hour
[09:08] <tekeo> ?
[09:09] <deadlyshadow> I still don't see it.
[09:10] <unome> tekeo: the date on that theme is 14 Jan 04 you sure it will work with kde 3.4.1?
[09:10] <deadlyshadow> I see Baghira in the menu though.
[09:10] <tekeo> nope
[09:10] <unome> Some peeps didn't even get it to work with Kde 3.2.2
[09:10] <deadlyshadow> OH nm.
[09:10] <deadlyshadow> There we go.
[09:10] <deadlyshadow> Thanks. :)
[09:11] <mrmanic> deadlyshadow: np.  glad you got it working
[09:11] <mrmanic> tekeo: I think that theme format is too old.
[09:13] <mrmanic> tekeo: try looking under Theme-Manager
[09:13] <mrmanic> tekeo: I believe that theme-manager themes should easily import into theme manager.
[09:14] <Sho_> Hi guys ... is there an estimated release date for the next Kubuntu yet?
[09:15] <buz> october
[09:15] <Sho_> thank you
[09:18] <mrmanic> tekeo: make sure that the file extension for the file that you download (or the file inside of the tar.gz that you download) is a .kth file.  .kth files should automagically import into theme manager and be available the next time you go to pick a theme.
[09:19] <Neuromantik> arghhh @2 sound
[09:20] <mrmanic> tekeo: you just have to click them to run them after unpacking them from the tar.gz
[09:21] <Neuromantik> anyone know where the kernel is ?   nothing in /usr/src/linux
[09:21] <mrmanic> Neuromantik: what exactly are you trying to do?
[09:21] <Neuromantik> get sound working
[09:21] <mrmanic> Neuromantik: kernel sources aren't installed by default in kubuntu, I don't think
[09:21] <Neuromantik> yikes
[09:21] <Neuromantik> well
[09:21] <Neuromantik> hmm
[09:22] <mrmanic> Neuromantik: does your sound card show up under lspci?
[09:22] <Neuromantik> yep
[09:22] <Neuromantik> and alsamixer shows the channels as unmuted
[09:22] <Neuromantik> 0000:01:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04)
[09:23] <poco> hi
[09:23] <Neuromantik> brb
[09:24] <mrmanic> hi poco 
[09:24] <poco> i got a little problem using the kubuntu install cdrom (5.04 on powerpc) : when i type a password wrong the first time, the second time the password is wrong and the installer always asks me to retype the password (for the second time)
[09:24] <poco> i mean : i can't retype the password for the first time
[09:25] <Neuromantik> another issue .... glxgears is going way too slowly
[09:25] <mrmanic> I can't help you with that one.
[09:25] <mrmanic> I've never experienced that.
[09:25] <mrmanic> Neuromantik: what video card?
[09:25] <Neuromantik> nvidia 2900
[09:25] <Neuromantik> err
[09:25] <Neuromantik> 5900
[09:26] <mrmanic> Neuromantik: I can't help you with that one either.  I have ATI
[09:26] <mrmanic> Neuromantik: do you know what module SHOULD drive your audio hardware?
[09:26] <Neuromantik> went from 7000fps in gentoo @24 : 1280x1024 ... to 280 in kubuntu
[09:26] <Neuromantik> mrmanic, ya emu10k1
[09:27] <mrmanic> Neuromantik: have you tried modprobing emu10k1?
[09:27] <Neuromantik> it's loaded
[09:27] <Neuromantik> shows up in lsmod
[09:27] <mrmanic> ok
[09:27] <Neuromantik> everything 'looks' proper
[09:27] <Neuromantik> which is why I'm going mad
[09:28] <mrmanic> what shows up under alsamixer?
[09:28] <uniq> poco: you don't get an option to go back from where you're setting the password? 
[09:28] <Neuromantik> been using source distros for 3 years after using rpm distros for 3 years before that
[09:28] <Neuromantik> and now .. I feel newblike
[09:28] <Neuromantik> mrmanic, it shows the proper card
[09:28] <Neuromantik> it shows the channels unmuted
[09:29] <mrmanic> Neuromantik: is the volume >0 on the important channels?
[09:29] <Neuromantik> no
[09:29] <Neuromantik> it's set up with master @ 80, pcm @ 80
[09:29] <mrmanic> ok
[09:29] <Neuromantik> plus various other fields up
[09:29] <mrmanic> weird
[09:29] <Neuromantik> very
[09:29] <Neuromantik> like I said .. it's driving me mad
[09:29] <mrmanic> and your speakers are plugged in? ;)
[09:29] <mrmanic> and turned on?
[09:29] <Neuromantik> of course ;)
[09:30] <Neuromantik> was using them in gentoo last night
[09:30] <Neuromantik> and winXP
[09:30] <mrmanic> ok
[09:30] <mrmanic> well, I'm at the end of my rope, I think.
[09:30] <mrmanic> sorry I couldn't solve your problem.
[09:30] <Neuromantik> I want to cat the bzImage to dev/dsp
[09:30] <nikkia> argh!!!
[09:30] <poco> uniq : i cant :/ if i retry to use the installer menu for selecting the password, it says i type a bad password and want the first
[09:32] <uniq> poco: i understand. hang on, i'm checking.
[09:33] <Neuromantik> cat /usr/share/irssi/help/beep > /dev/dsp
[09:33] <Neuromantik> nothing
[09:39] <uniq> poco: it's known, and sadly there is no way around it in hoary. it's fixed in the next release. - https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10784
[09:39] <uniq> poco: looks like you have to restart the installation process.
[09:39] <mrmanic> it irritates me when people grouse and complain b/c we don't have an answer for them, and then when we go and find the answer they don't bother to say "thank you"
[09:40] <unome> heh
[09:40] <uniq> that's why i've started to say 'hang on'.. irritating when the guy you are browsing to help just leaves.
[09:40] <Neuromantik> mrmanic, point them to forums..... or rute :)
[09:40] <mrmanic> rute?
[09:40] <Neuromantik> http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz
[09:41] <Neuromantik> ultimate linux guide
[09:41] <mrmanic> awesome
[09:41] <mrmanic> I bookmarked it.
[09:41] <unome> wow good link
[09:42] <mrmanic> It looks like some good reading
[09:42] <Neuromantik> it's a good bookmark to have
[09:42] <Neuromantik> has tons of info
[09:42] <nikkia> uniq, just think how much fun your life is going to be next week when you get to sit here and be 'support' all day :P
[09:42] <uniq> nikkia: can't wait :)
[09:42] <Neuromantik> anyway to add universe via kynaptic ... or do I have to apt-get install synaptic ?
[09:42] <nikkia> ya, i bet
[09:43] <mrmanic> wtf?  all my toolbars just disappeared
[09:43] <uniq> you can use a text editor.. or you can download synaptic if you want to do it graphically.
[09:44] <nikkia> unome, i think i'll come in here and ask stupid questions, just to make his life more interesting :P
[09:44] <unome> hehe
[09:44] <poco> uniq: thanks
[09:44] <nikkia> ./timer 600  /say what's the root password on kubuntu?   :P
[09:44] <Neuromantik> uniq, what do I edit ?
[09:44] <uniq> unome: i won't be here all day.. sadly. i'm going home to my parents.. and i'm going to help my father on the farm :)
[09:45] <uniq> neuromantik: /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:45] <Neuromantik> ty
[09:45] <unome> uniq: ah linux + nature = can't get any better 
[09:45] <Neuromantik> uniq, you rock :) saved me for an unnecessay install
[09:46] <nikkia> uniq, i know its off topic, but where abouts in the world are you anyway ?
[09:46] <uniq> nikkia: norway.
[09:46] <nikkia> ah, i was thinking finland for some reason, but its all the same :P
[09:46] <uniq> grph. "all the same " :)
[09:46] <unome> norway must be far from Brooklyn, correct? ::grin::
[09:46] <mrmanic> Neuromantik: I just had a thought.  Are you a member of the audio group?
[09:47] <Neuromantik> mrmanic, yep
[09:47] <mrmanic> ok
[09:47] <Neuromantik> mrmanic, like I said .. all looks proper
[09:47] <Neuromantik> neuro@Equinox:~$ groups
[09:47] <Neuromantik> neuro adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin
[09:47] <mrmanic> Neuromantik: very weird.  If I think of anything else, I'll let you know, but I'm pretty much tapped out.
[09:47] <Neuromantik> mrmanic, hahah
[09:47] <Neuromantik> ya
[09:47] <Neuromantik> I am too
[09:48] <nikkia> neuro, only thing i can think of, really, is sometimes alsa will act like that if something else is hogging the device
[09:48] <uniq> nikkia: just to keep up the off-topic talk.. where are you? :)
[09:48] <nikkia> ie, sometimes if i'm running java, it grabs /dev/audio and everything else 'just pretends' to play sound
[09:48] <nikkia> uniq, UK, near london
[09:48] <uniq> ok :)
[09:49] <unome> wicked!
[09:49] <Neuromantik> nikkia, alsa shouldn' .. oss will
[09:49] <nikkia> neuro, yeah, but i'm using alsa, so it must be an issue with the alsa-oss stuff
[09:49] <nikkia> neuro, and yes, i have dmix setup *shrug*
[09:49] <Neuromantik> could be
[09:49] <Neuromantik> wonder if that's installed
[09:50] <nikkia> gah, unions!
[09:50] <nikkia> my xmms just died out of sympathy with yours
[09:50] <Neuromantik> hah
[09:51] <uniq> haha. my amarok still plays :)
[09:51] <nikkia> uniq, you know how this goes...
[09:51] <nikkia> if amarok handled AAC files...
[09:51] <Neuromantik> if amarok didn't need to rebuild a damn DB everytime I add music to it
[09:51] <Neuromantik> I might use it
[09:52] <uniq> yeah.. i know.. everything i have is mp3 so.. :)
[09:52] <nikkia> i actually do prefer amarok, at work i have all my audio transcoded to ogg, because the speakers are lousy anyway, and i use amarok there...
[09:52] <uniq> neuromantik: it doesn't have to.
[09:52] <nikkia> well, used to, these days i unplug the speakers from the PC and plug them in my ipod
[09:53] <nikkia> of course, these days me being in the office is a rare event
[09:53] <nikkia> i think i've been there 3 days in the last 40
[09:53] <mrmanic> did I read something about ipodslave debs for hoary?
[09:54] <uniq> mrmanic: experimental ones, yes. 
[09:54] <uniq> http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/ipodslave/
[09:55] <mrmanic> uniq: you just made me the happiest man in this channel.
[09:56] <uniq> mrmanic: hope it's useable.
[09:57] <uniq> it's not very mature software from upstream.
[09:57] <nikkia> its also useless if a lot of you ipod tracks are in AAC :/
[09:58] <mrmanic> luckily I'm all mp3
[09:58] <mrmanic> so much so that I burn all my iTMS AAC tracks and rerip them as mp3 :\
[09:59] <nikkia> i even have a handful of ALE tracks on mine
[10:01] <Neuromantik> ubuntu forums are back up
[10:04] <Neuromantik> Aha
[10:04] <Neuromantik> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21211
[10:05] <Neuromantik> that's why
[10:06] <nikkia> ah, the jwz issue :)
[10:07] <nikkia> neuro, you have a non-emu10k based audigy then ?
[10:08] <Neuromantik> grabbing headers now
[10:08] <Neuromantik> when using gentoo .. I just built the driver statically into the kernel
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[10:08] <Neuromantik> along with mixer et al
[10:08] <Neuromantik> never had a worry
[10:09] <nikkia> neuro, hmm
[10:09] <Neuromantik> nikkia, no
[10:09] <nikkia> so you're not suffering the jwz issue
[10:09] <Neuromantik> emu10k1 drivers are in the kernel .. alsa merged with the linux kernel during the 2.5 kernel dev series
[10:10] <mrmanic> Neuromantik: when you say emu10k1 for the module name, you mean snd-emu10k1, right?
[10:10] <Neuromantik> this is a specific ubuntu issue
[10:10] <Neuromantik> now I no longer feel retarded :D
[10:11] <Neuromantik> well ... I would REALLY not want to use it as a module
[10:11] <Neuromantik> it's not like I ever want to unload my sound
[10:12] <Neuromantik> I would prefer to build it statically into the kernel
[10:12] <Neuromantik> but the driver name is emu10k1
[10:12] <Neuromantik> I think right now I will be forced to use it as a module
[10:12] <Neuromantik> as I am so new to kubuntu
[10:14] <uniq> modules are good.
[10:15] <nikkia> modules do at least give you a chance to unload/reload rather than reboot if something goes TU
[10:15] <mrmanic> modules can be removed and added as necessary (for system suspend and other things)
[10:16] <Tm_T> hi kids
[10:18] <monchy> hi dad
[10:19] <Tm_T> :o
[10:19] <monchy> :p
[10:19] <Tm_T> I won't confess!
[10:21] <nikkia> witch! :P
[10:22] <Tm_T> rau
[10:22] <nikkia> ahhhhh, yes...
[10:22] <nikkia> S...T....F....U... right now!
[10:22] <nikkia> great music to have blaring out of your PC when some customers come in :P
[10:24] <monchy> is it a bougy office? like, uptight suits who are partially balding and say things like "swell"
[10:24] <nikkia> monchy, nope, all fairly young
[10:24] <nikkia> i'm actually the oldest person in our dept
[10:25] <nikkia> some of our customers are the 'old uptight suits partially balding' types tho
[10:25] <monchy> bet ya have a good laugh at some of them :P
[10:25] <nikkia> oh yeah
[10:25] <nikkia> its a strange industry anyway
[10:26] <nikkia> most of the people in it aren't that 'uncool' but you get some old fart that runs a betting shop somewhere that thinks he's 'important' :)
[10:26] <monchy> lol
[10:27] <monchy> i can see it being some fat guy named howard for some reason
[10:27] <nikkia> then other times, you get the CEO of ladbrookes in and don't notice :P
[10:27] <monchy> ohhh your a booky!
[10:28] <monchy> now that's a cool job
[10:28] <mariner> hi there
[10:28] <nikkia> monchy, nope
[10:28] <nikkia> monchy, i write software for video gambling terminals
[10:29] <monchy> so technically, you could rig one of the machines to be a winner every time?
[10:29] <nikkia> monchy, if i want to go to prison, i spose
[10:29] <nikkia> or worse
[10:29] <nikkia> as i said last night, 'i'm attached to my kneecaps, and i'd like it to stay that way'
[10:30] <monchy> always wondered how that software worked
[10:30] <liz4rd> whats the windows media codecs package called?
[10:31] <nikkia> w32codecs
[11:21] <douglas> is there a manual way to change res in xorg with a terminal
[11:21] <hon> I use xorgcfg -textmode
[11:22] <hon> but I am not sure if it is the best way for that
[11:23] <douglas> xorgcfg textmode?
[11:23] <hon> -textmode
[11:24] <douglas> oh, so what happens if I fire up a program that needs a gui?
[11:49] <Tm_T> uh, I finally got my Kmail working
[11:57] <_zero> hmm
[11:57] <_zero> having problems with arts
[11:57] <_zero> aka no sound coming out at all
[11:57] <_zero> anyone can help?