sladen | froud: heavens no! :-) | 12:43 |
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mdke | robitaille, sorry i forgot to tell you about the icon thing | 01:51 |
mdke | have replied on list now | 01:52 |
robitaille | mdke: ok. So there is no point for me to work on these icons until a permanent solution is established. | 02:43 |
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jsgotangco | brb | 05:58 |
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jeffsch | hello jsgotangco | 06:27 |
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jsgotangco | hi | 07:55 |
jsgotangco | sorry i was out for lunch | 07:55 |
jeffsch | as long as you're not out *to* lunch! :) | 07:56 |
jeffsch | jsgotangco: i started an agenda on DocteamNextIRCMeeting | 08:02 |
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jsgotangco | oh right i was about to to that later | 08:12 |
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froud | African Greetings | 08:18 |
froud | plovs: ping :-) | 08:19 |
jsgotangco | hi | 08:19 |
froud | jsgotangco: howzit | 08:20 |
plovs | froud: morning! | 08:20 |
jsgotangco | not bad im just reading stuff i bought the oreily docbook at the bookstore last night | 08:20 |
froud | jsgotangco: cool | 08:20 |
froud | plovs: where the hell have you been dude, I missed you | 08:21 |
plovs | froud: :-) that's nice to hear, working and vacationing mostly, i'm working on a debian-installer for work to install our debian boxes | 08:22 |
froud | plovs: cool, dude. you thinking of helping on docs? | 08:22 |
plovs | thinking yes, but actually doing anything, not yet, i leave for another week in three hours, vacation is killing me :-) | 08:23 |
plovs | but later, i really would like to | 08:24 |
froud | plovs: well, that's ok. you know that you are always welcome here | 08:24 |
froud | plovs: but you will have to arrange for you commit account again | 08:24 |
froud | plovs: we moved to svn in canonical server farm sometime back | 08:25 |
froud | I dont remember you getting an acount | 08:25 |
plovs | no problem, i know where to find you | 08:25 |
plovs | how are things in the docs? | 08:26 |
froud | plovs: enrico is still around, busy with work, send him a your public pgp and username | 08:26 |
froud | plovs: we are making steady progress | 08:26 |
froud | the team has grown | 08:26 |
froud | more hands and eyeballs to work with, makes it cool | 08:27 |
froud | plovs: jsgotangco is now secretary | 08:29 |
froud | jeffsch: thanks for bringing strip path from xsl 1.68.1 to our custlayer | 08:31 |
jeffsch | you're welcome. I still can't understand it's purpose though... | 08:32 |
froud | jeffsch: what strippath | 08:33 |
jeffsch | yeah | 08:33 |
froud | yeah rather stupic template | 08:33 |
froud | stupid | 08:33 |
jeffsch | there must be some method in the madness | 08:33 |
froud | but at least we can use our custom layers to circumvent such problems. That's the other good thing about custom layers | 08:34 |
froud | I see that you have learned to swim well in xsl and the db nwalsh stylesheets ;-) cool stuff | 08:35 |
froud | the nwdb xsl's are hectic | 08:35 |
froud | powerful but hectic | 08:35 |
jeffsch | tweren't nuthin. I just grepped for "fileref" then followed the trail to strippath | 08:36 |
froud | he he | 08:36 |
jeffsch | "swimming" would be an exageration | 08:37 |
froud | well even I admit that I tend to drown in them | 08:37 |
froud | jeffsch: but that is where all the power of docbook is, so no choice must swim and sink there sometimes | 08:39 |
froud | jeffsch: sorry I did not get to the style guide over the weekend | 08:43 |
froud | did everything else except that :-) | 08:43 |
jeffsch | I was thinking something like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocBookReference would be good for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StyleGuide/DocBookConventions | 08:44 |
froud | yes like the kde markup guide | 08:44 |
froud | jeffsch: I think gnome also has such an animal, right? | 08:45 |
jeffsch | yeah, but mostly in the GNOME Handbook of Writing Software Documentation | 08:46 |
froud | yah, that's it | 08:47 |
froud | we most have a mix between the two, and we exclude some g and k specific stuff | 08:47 |
froud | except for g and k specific aps | 08:47 |
froud | btw, ppl its a good idea to lookout for new apps that will be developed by k/ubuntu for breezy. If we can we should grab them and document them | 08:49 |
froud | I heard that there is an update-notifier for kubuntu planned | 08:49 |
froud | ok morning coffee finished, time to start my day. c ya later | 08:50 |
jsgotangco | plovs, did hornbeck contact you | 09:14 |
plovs | jsgotangco: not lately, no | 09:16 |
jsgotangco | plovs, he's been looking for you specifically, since he is writing a book and was looking for you | 09:18 |
jsgotangco | (for APress) | 09:18 |
plovs | jsgotangco: i'll mail him, thanks | 09:20 |
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mdke | hey jsgotangco | 09:57 |
mdke | and everyone | 09:57 |
mdke | jsgotangco, you haven't organised the meeting for this week yet? | 10:02 |
jsgotangco | i was thinking of doing it next week | 10:05 |
jsgotangco | its too soon to announce it now | 10:05 |
jsgotangco | don't you think | 10:05 |
mdke | :( | 10:05 |
mdke | man we have so much to do! | 10:05 |
jsgotangco | after next week, we'll make it regular every 2 weeks | 10:05 |
jsgotangco | don't worry, i'll send an email later | 10:05 |
mdke | grrrr | 10:06 |
jsgotangco | grrr? | 10:06 |
jsgotangco | hold on | 10:06 |
jsgotangco | let me try this | 10:06 |
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jsgotangco | hmm ok this is kinda weird | 10:07 |
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mdke | sup? | 10:09 |
jsgotangco | im trying out ERC | 10:09 |
jsgotangco | ever since im using ION, i've been wanting everything to be minimalist | 10:10 |
mdke | an easy thing to organise the meeting would just be to make a permanent wiki agenda page, like the CC does, then no organisation is needed, it can just happen every 2 weeks | 10:10 |
mdke | i think we should have one this week | 10:10 |
jsgotangco | if I finish compiling all issues and call up a meeting for thursday, i think it would be too soon IMO, i was thinking tuesday next week | 10:11 |
jsgotangco | and set up a regular 2-week interval meeting after that | 10:12 |
mdke | :( | 10:12 |
mdke | that is bad news | 10:13 |
jsgotangco | huh? | 10:13 |
mdke | we have lots of things we need to get sorted and have been waiting for the meeting | 10:13 |
jsgotangco | hold on let me switch to a better client | 10:13 |
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jsgotangco | ok this is much better | 10:15 |
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jsgotangco | mdke: can we make an agenda right now | 10:15 |
mdke | yes | 10:16 |
mdke | well sort of | 10:17 |
mdke | personally I can't log into the wiki | 10:17 |
mdke | but we can make one here, and I'll put it up later | 10:17 |
jsgotangco | same here | 10:17 |
jsgotangco | ok | 10:17 |
jsgotangco | 1st up in agenda: StyleGuide | 10:17 |
mdke | good | 10:17 |
mdke | next, whether to ship in html | 10:17 |
mdke | next, whether to profile our documentation | 10:17 |
jsgotangco | hold on | 10:18 |
mdke | sure | 10:18 |
jsgotangco | i think we should still fill up the details on DocteamProjects | 10:18 |
mdke | go on... | 10:18 |
mdke | in what way fill up? | 10:18 |
jsgotangco | doc status and html previews | 10:18 |
jsgotangco | there's so much admin stuff to do in those ocs | 10:18 |
jsgotangco | docs | 10:18 |
mdke | that's another issue | 10:19 |
mdke | (docteam.ubuntu.com) | 10:19 |
mdke | ok so we have 4 topics so far | 10:19 |
jsgotangco | just a way to upload them would do | 10:19 |
mdke | wiki team could be a 5th topic | 10:20 |
mdke | what else? | 10:20 |
jsgotangco | hmmmm | 10:20 |
mdke | i want to talk about translation but it can be done at a later meeting | 10:20 |
jsgotangco | that's all i could thik of at the moment | 10:20 |
mdke | i think that is enough | 10:21 |
jsgotangco | i thought translation is a rosetta issue | 10:21 |
mdke | its a lot | 10:21 |
mdke | translation is done in rosetta but then needs to be handled by us | 10:21 |
mdke | but it doesn't need to be discussed at the next meeting | 10:22 |
mdke | i think those issues are already more than enough ;) | 10:22 |
jsgotangco | maybe we should move rosetta at a later date | 10:22 |
mdke | move rosetta? | 10:22 |
jsgotangco | the meeting :) | 10:22 |
mdke | that's what I said | 10:22 |
jsgotangco | ok to summarize | 10:22 |
jsgotangco | ah | 10:22 |
jsgotangco | 1.) tackling the StyleGuide 2.)what would be the preferred docteam format to ship (HTML/XML) | 10:23 |
jsgotangco | 3.) document profiling | 10:24 |
jsgotangco | (KDE/GNOME, etc.) | 10:24 |
jsgotangco | 4.) docteam.ubuntu.com (where will we host our status and preview docs) | 10:24 |
jsgotangco | 5.) creation of the wiki team (for...?) | 10:24 |
jsgotangco | what you think? | 10:25 |
mdke | great | 10:26 |
jsgotangco | hmmm how will i describe #5 though | 10:26 |
jsgotangco | oh wait let me look at your email | 10:26 |
mdke | just refer to the thread on the ML | 10:26 |
jsgotangco | alright how does 06.30.2005 14UTC sound | 10:28 |
mdke | it sounds awesome | 10:28 |
jsgotangco | right everyone is probably awake during that time (except the US) | 10:28 |
mdke | hmm | 10:29 |
mdke | we can rotate times in future maybe | 10:29 |
jsgotangco | i was thinking of rotating between 14 and 22 | 10:29 |
jsgotangco | just like what CC does | 10:29 |
jsgotangco | and thursday is a good day to adopt for the team | 10:30 |
jsgotangco | mdke: ok are we happy with that :) | 10:30 |
mdke | dunno, but I am | 10:31 |
jsgotangco | i don't see you smiling :) | 10:31 |
jsgotangco | alright, i'm composing the email now and will send it | 10:32 |
mdke | sorry :D | 10:33 |
mdke | jsgotangco, btw we can just have an agenda page on the wiki that people can add to, what do you think? | 10:35 |
jsgotangco | like that of the CC page? | 10:37 |
mdke | yeah | 10:37 |
mdke | DocteamMeetingAgenda maybe | 10:37 |
jsgotangco | good idea, but i think any issues other than those we have for now will be covered after we finish the main agenda | 10:38 |
mdke | fine by me | 10:38 |
jsgotangco | can you login to the wiki now? i still can't | 10:39 |
mdke | no | 10:39 |
mdke | i pinged elmo | 10:39 |
jsgotangco | alright, i'll just email this first on ubuntu-doc and ubuntu-users | 10:39 |
jsgotangco | oh and ubuntu-devel as well | 10:39 |
mdke | yay | 10:40 |
mdke | good call | 10:40 |
jsgotangco | ok to finalize, the Ubuntu Documentation Project team will be having its FIRST regular meeting on June 30, 2005 at 14:00UTC | 10:42 |
jsgotangco | we will be having the regular meetings in 2-week intervals so the next meeting after the 30th would be on the 14th of July (time TBA) | 10:42 |
jsgotangco | WOW 14:00 UTC is an awesome time for me | 10:45 |
mdke | what time? | 10:45 |
jsgotangco | 10PM | 10:45 |
mdke | cool | 10:45 |
jsgotangco | and 7am on jeffsch's side | 10:46 |
mdke | ouch | 10:46 |
jsgotangco | he said 14utc is cool with him | 10:46 |
mdke | oh good | 10:46 |
jsgotangco | in other news i have been completely taken over by emacs for my everyday work | 10:49 |
jsgotangco | (i can even chat in here) | 10:50 |
jsgotangco | mdke: let's post this agenda first on DocteamNextIRCMeeting then after that, we can use DocteamAgenda what do you think | 10:51 |
jsgotangco | mdke: ping? | 10:58 |
mdke | jsgotangco, sorry, here I am | 11:00 |
mdke | I would say use DocteamMeetingAgenda straight away | 11:00 |
mdke | emacs eh | 11:00 |
mdke | i've become obsessed with urxvt+screen+irssi for irc now | 11:01 |
jsgotangco | mdke: but we can't put it in the wiki now | 11:01 |
mdke | jsgotangco, no problem, I'm happy to do it when the wiki is working | 11:01 |
jsgotangco | ok DocteamMeetingAgenda | 11:01 |
mdke | i'll take it from your email | 11:01 |
jsgotangco | ermmm | 11:08 |
jsgotangco | how do i describe document profiling? | 11:08 |
mdke | i'm not convinced you need to describe all the agenda items in your email | 11:08 |
mdke | they can be expanded on on the wiki page | 11:08 |
jsgotangco | i just want a 1-line overview | 11:09 |
jsgotangco | (after all, its not just us who will be reading it) | 11:09 |
jsgotangco | mdke: sent | 11:28 |
mdke | nice email | 11:38 |
mdke | jsgotangco, ok when the wiki is back i will create the page | 11:39 |
jsgotangco | jeezz i didnt know hula was already in universe | 11:40 |
jsgotangco | mdke: thanks | 11:40 |
mdke | is it? | 11:43 |
mdke | awesome | 11:43 |
jsgotangco | yeah | 11:43 |
jsgotangco | since hoary | 11:43 |
jsgotangco | i didnt even know | 11:43 |
jsgotangco | oh cool i got my launchpad request for ubuntu members approved already | 11:45 |
mdke | what's that? | 11:45 |
jsgotangco | https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/ubuntumembers/+members | 11:47 |
jsgotangco | all members should register there | 11:47 |
mdke | what does it do? | 11:47 |
jsgotangco | it should automate everything in the future (signing of CoC, ubuntu.com addresses, etc.) | 11:48 |
jsgotangco | (well not really everything) | 11:48 |
mdke | ok | 11:49 |
jsgotangco | ok im going home | 12:11 |
jsgotangco | see you | 12:11 |
mdke | ok jsgotangco bye | 12:11 |
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jsgotangco | mdke: i forgot | 12:37 |
mdke | ;) | 12:37 |
jsgotangco | can you post the email in the wiki when it comes back | 12:37 |
jsgotangco | :) | 12:37 |
jsgotangco | because the email refers to a dead link for now :) | 12:37 |
mdke | yes sure | 12:38 |
jsgotangco | thanks :) I'm out for the night then | 12:38 |
mdke | ok night | 12:38 |
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sladen | what do I need to edit: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/ | 02:45 |
sladen | want to add a little 2x2 square | 02:45 |
mdke | i think you need to be webmaster | 02:46 |
sladen | with supported/unsupported free/illegal and put the four main/restricted/universe/multiverse in the boxes | 02:46 |
mdke | those pages are official and as such I think are edited by the webmaster/mdz and other such peoples | 02:47 |
mdke | sladen, another idea is to post to the recent thread on ubuntu-devel mailing list, where jdub and mdz have both said that improvements to that page are welcome | 02:48 |
sladen | posted mdz a message | 02:53 |
mdke | not to -devel? | 02:58 |
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mdke | hello gtaylor | 03:45 |
mdke | :) | 03:45 |
gtaylor | heya mdke | 03:49 |
mpt | 1400 UTC? As in, 2am? | 04:31 |
mpt | rock | 04:31 |
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mdke | hi froud jjesse | 04:51 |
mdke | go gtaylor !! | 04:51 |
jjesse | hiya mdke | 04:51 |
froud | :-) | 04:51 |
gtaylor | hey froud, looking at the kuserguide, I see you have subsections under Internet for messaging and stuff | 04:58 |
gtaylor | But when I hit the link, it takes me back to the preface | 04:59 |
froud | Hmmm | 04:59 |
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froud | gtaylor: which part? | 05:00 |
gtaylor | Internet: Messaging | 05:00 |
froud | kug | 05:00 |
froud | <chapter status="help"> | 05:00 |
froud | <title>Instant Messaging</title> | 05:00 |
froud | <sect1> | 05:00 |
froud | <title>Section Tittle</title> | 05:00 |
froud | <para>...</para> | 05:00 |
froud | </sect1> | 05:00 |
froud | </chapter> | 05:00 |
gtaylor | that's the one | 05:00 |
froud | empty | 05:00 |
froud | there is not link there | 05:01 |
gtaylor | well I'm looking at it with Yelp and under the Using the Internet chapter I have a list of subsections that are linked | 05:01 |
gtaylor | the HTML version works fine though but that takes a long time to build on this machine | 05:02 |
froud | lemme see it in yelp | 05:03 |
froud | arhg! darn yelp keeps craching on a valid document, I can't open it at present | 05:06 |
gtaylor | have you been testing using the html build? | 05:07 |
froud | always | 05:07 |
gtaylor | ok | 05:07 |
froud | actuall I install the files and see them in khelpcenter or from the kio-slave help:/ | 05:07 |
froud | but there are no links in that section | 05:08 |
froud | actually there is no text in that section | 05:08 |
froud | gtaylor: did you see the message about the preview site | 05:08 |
froud | http://lnix.net/~froud | 05:08 |
gtaylor | I thought there was "..." | 05:08 |
gtaylor | yeah, looked good | 05:08 |
froud | Ok will will update it again tonight | 05:09 |
froud | I will aim to update it once a day | 05:09 |
gtaylor | yeah, cron that sucker | 05:09 |
froud | gtaylor: I just commited some patches on your patches | 05:09 |
gtaylor | ok | 05:09 |
froud | you should see them in your commit list | 05:09 |
froud | gtaylor: try not use casual language | 05:10 |
gtaylor | ok | 05:10 |
froud | like "if you want to checkout your ..." :-) | 05:10 |
froud | remember people at i18n have to translate this | 05:10 |
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froud | and these things don't translate well :-) | 05:11 |
froud | some sematic errors | 05:11 |
froud | yu can validate your document to find problems using the validate.sh in trunk/ | 05:11 |
froud | if you can't find the problem, then leave it and I will fix it | 05:12 |
froud | other than that, great stuff. I take it you have id'd the parts you want to write :-) | 05:12 |
froud | gtaylor: jjesse: if you want a part or a chapter/sect just mark it thus | 05:13 |
froud | <part id="pt-expanding" status="writing"> | 05:13 |
froud | <title>Expanding Kubuntu</title> | 05:13 |
froud | <!-- Sean Wheller: Writing this part --> | 05:13 |
gtaylor | I'll probably start with the easiest sections first and work my way up | 05:13 |
froud | that way we will know who is where | 05:13 |
jjesse | grin me 2 gtaylor | 05:14 |
froud | cool, whatever you feel like doing | 05:14 |
jjesse | i'm leaving one of the projects that i am currently working on so i'll have more time to work on docs | 05:14 |
froud | cool, good to know | 05:14 |
froud | gtaylor: jjesse: do you understand why to change the status attribute as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamWork "Marking what you do" | 05:17 |
jjesse | yup, so not to duplicate things, make sense to me | 05:17 |
gtaylor | yeah, I haven't done enough work in the userguide to warrant any status changes yet though | 05:18 |
froud | OK, but also to get the status reports output correctly | 05:18 |
froud | see http://lnix.net/~froud/status/kqg-report.html | 05:18 |
gtaylor | ok | 05:18 |
jjesse | ok | 05:18 |
froud | the author remarks col is generated from the value in the status attribute | 05:18 |
jjesse | btw is it first come first serve to comit patches that come across the mailing list or how does that work? | 05:18 |
froud | ifyou leave an authorblurb it will add your comment | 05:19 |
jjesse | like the diff that just came across | 05:19 |
froud | jjesse: 1st come 1st serve | 05:19 |
froud | just make a note back to the list that you have applied it | 05:19 |
froud | but before commit do check the patch | 05:19 |
jjesse | nod, don't have the time now for the one just came across but was just curious | 05:19 |
froud | in our mailing list? | 05:20 |
froud | as far as I know all are done. lemme check | 05:20 |
froud | ah ha new one | 05:20 |
froud | anyone with commit can checkit and commit | 05:21 |
mdke | hmm | 05:21 |
froud | if the patch is really bad, the politely reject, if not so bad, patch and fix before commit | 05:21 |
mdke | he never writes anything in his emails ;) | 05:21 |
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froud | bb in 5 | 06:04 |
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froud | http://lnix.net/~froud updated | 07:09 |
judax | froud: Hi | 07:09 |
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Njal | lo | 07:52 |
mdke | hi | 07:55 |
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Njal | hows all? | 07:57 |
mdke | good thanks v much, yourself? | 07:58 |
Njal | im good | 07:58 |
mdke | thanks for patches | 07:58 |
Njal | they any good? | 07:59 |
Njal | I havn't removed everything in the xml file again have i? :P | 07:59 |
froud | hey judax | 07:59 |
mdke | the last one looks like it can be applied | 07:59 |
mdke | i will take a closer look later | 07:59 |
Njal | cool thanks | 07:59 |
mdke | thank YOU @_ | 07:59 |
mdke | bah | 07:59 |
mdke | @_ = :) | 07:59 |
Njal | ah kk, case of lazy finger :p | 08:00 |
Njal | You tryed auto package? | 08:00 |
mdke | what is that? | 08:00 |
froud | judax: you looking for me? | 08:01 |
Njal | http://www.autopackage.org/index.html | 08:01 |
mdke | well no i haven't | 08:02 |
mdke | i've never done any packaging | 08:02 |
Njal | No it's like um a universal package installation suite works the same for every distro | 08:02 |
Njal | Meaning if there's an app that's just not getting backported you can install it through autopackage | 08:04 |
Njal | however it also means YOUR in charge of keeping it up to date | 08:04 |
mdke | i just use Ubuntu packages | 08:05 |
mdke | not even backports | 08:05 |
Njal | ah well i just like playing really | 08:06 |
mdke | does sound quite cool | 08:06 |
Njal | I am undecided yet, sounds good in theory installing a couple of packages and seeing what it's really like | 08:08 |
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judax | froud: was just saying 'Hi' :) | 08:17 |
froud | hi | 08:18 |
mdke | damn forums are down | 08:20 |
Njal | lo | 08:29 |
Njal | forums are back | 08:56 |
mdke | wicked thanks | 09:01 |
Njal | np | 09:03 |
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