[12:43] froud: heavens no! :-) === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === judax [~judax@ppp-69-148-18-161.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:51] robitaille, sorry i forgot to tell you about the icon thing [01:52] have replied on list now [02:43] mdke: ok. So there is no point for me to work on these icons until a permanent solution is established. === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === BeerDump [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-117.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:58] brb === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-117.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:27] hello jsgotangco === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [~rob@dsl-202-52-55-156.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:55] hi [07:55] sorry i was out for lunch [07:56] as long as you're not out *to* lunch! :) [08:02] jsgotangco: i started an agenda on DocteamNextIRCMeeting === ealden [~ealden@219.90.93.98] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:12] oh right i was about to to that later === froud [~sean@ndn-165-143-84.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:18] African Greetings [08:19] plovs: ping :-) [08:19] hi [08:20] jsgotangco: howzit [08:20] froud: morning! [08:20] not bad im just reading stuff i bought the oreily docbook at the bookstore last night [08:20] jsgotangco: cool [08:21] plovs: where the hell have you been dude, I missed you [08:22] froud: :-) that's nice to hear, working and vacationing mostly, i'm working on a debian-installer for work to install our debian boxes [08:22] plovs: cool, dude. you thinking of helping on docs? [08:23] thinking yes, but actually doing anything, not yet, i leave for another week in three hours, vacation is killing me :-) [08:24] but later, i really would like to [08:24] plovs: well, that's ok. you know that you are always welcome here [08:24] plovs: but you will have to arrange for you commit account again [08:25] plovs: we moved to svn in canonical server farm sometime back [08:25] I dont remember you getting an acount [08:25] no problem, i know where to find you [08:26] how are things in the docs? [08:26] plovs: enrico is still around, busy with work, send him a your public pgp and username [08:26] plovs: we are making steady progress [08:26] the team has grown [08:27] more hands and eyeballs to work with, makes it cool [08:29] plovs: jsgotangco is now secretary [08:31] jeffsch: thanks for bringing strip path from xsl 1.68.1 to our custlayer [08:32] you're welcome. I still can't understand it's purpose though... [08:33] jeffsch: what strippath [08:33] yeah [08:33] yeah rather stupic template [08:33] stupid [08:33] there must be some method in the madness [08:34] but at least we can use our custom layers to circumvent such problems. That's the other good thing about custom layers [08:35] I see that you have learned to swim well in xsl and the db nwalsh stylesheets ;-) cool stuff [08:35] the nwdb xsl's are hectic [08:35] powerful but hectic [08:36] tweren't nuthin. I just grepped for "fileref" then followed the trail to strippath [08:36] he he [08:37] "swimming" would be an exageration [08:37] well even I admit that I tend to drown in them [08:39] jeffsch: but that is where all the power of docbook is, so no choice must swim and sink there sometimes [08:43] jeffsch: sorry I did not get to the style guide over the weekend [08:43] did everything else except that :-) [08:44] I was thinking something like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocBookReference would be good for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StyleGuide/DocBookConventions [08:44] yes like the kde markup guide [08:45] jeffsch: I think gnome also has such an animal, right? [08:46] yeah, but mostly in the GNOME Handbook of Writing Software Documentation [08:47] yah, that's it [08:47] we most have a mix between the two, and we exclude some g and k specific stuff [08:47] except for g and k specific aps [08:49] btw, ppl its a good idea to lookout for new apps that will be developed by k/ubuntu for breezy. If we can we should grab them and document them [08:49] I heard that there is an update-notifier for kubuntu planned [08:50] ok morning coffee finished, time to start my day. c ya later [09:14] plovs, did hornbeck contact you [09:16] jsgotangco: not lately, no [09:18] plovs, he's been looking for you specifically, since he is writing a book and was looking for you [09:18] (for APress) [09:20] jsgotangco: i'll mail him, thanks === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:57] hey jsgotangco [09:57] and everyone [10:02] jsgotangco, you haven't organised the meeting for this week yet? [10:05] i was thinking of doing it next week [10:05] its too soon to announce it now [10:05] don't you think [10:05] :( [10:05] man we have so much to do! [10:05] after next week, we'll make it regular every 2 weeks [10:05] don't worry, i'll send an email later [10:06] grrrr [10:06] grrr? [10:06] hold on [10:06] let me try this === jsgotangco [~user@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:07] hmm ok this is kinda weird === jsgotangco [~user@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:09] sup? [10:09] im trying out ERC [10:10] ever since im using ION, i've been wanting everything to be minimalist [10:10] an easy thing to organise the meeting would just be to make a permanent wiki agenda page, like the CC does, then no organisation is needed, it can just happen every 2 weeks [10:10] i think we should have one this week [10:11] if I finish compiling all issues and call up a meeting for thursday, i think it would be too soon IMO, i was thinking tuesday next week [10:12] and set up a regular 2-week interval meeting after that [10:12] :( [10:13] that is bad news [10:13] huh? [10:13] we have lots of things we need to get sorted and have been waiting for the meeting [10:13] hold on let me switch to a better client === jsgotangco [~user@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:15] ok this is much better === FLeiXiuS [~fleixius@pcp0010497935pcs.essex01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:15] mdke: can we make an agenda right now [10:16] yes [10:17] well sort of [10:17] personally I can't log into the wiki [10:17] but we can make one here, and I'll put it up later [10:17] same here [10:17] ok [10:17] 1st up in agenda: StyleGuide [10:17] good [10:17] next, whether to ship in html [10:17] next, whether to profile our documentation [10:18] hold on [10:18] sure [10:18] i think we should still fill up the details on DocteamProjects [10:18] go on... [10:18] in what way fill up? [10:18] doc status and html previews [10:18] there's so much admin stuff to do in those ocs [10:18] docs [10:19] that's another issue [10:19] (docteam.ubuntu.com) [10:19] ok so we have 4 topics so far [10:19] just a way to upload them would do [10:20] wiki team could be a 5th topic [10:20] what else? [10:20] hmmmm [10:20] i want to talk about translation but it can be done at a later meeting [10:20] that's all i could thik of at the moment [10:21] i think that is enough [10:21] i thought translation is a rosetta issue [10:21] its a lot [10:21] translation is done in rosetta but then needs to be handled by us [10:22] but it doesn't need to be discussed at the next meeting [10:22] i think those issues are already more than enough ;) [10:22] maybe we should move rosetta at a later date [10:22] move rosetta? [10:22] the meeting :) [10:22] that's what I said [10:22] ok to summarize [10:22] ah [10:23] 1.) tackling the StyleGuide 2.)what would be the preferred docteam format to ship (HTML/XML) [10:24] 3.) document profiling [10:24] (KDE/GNOME, etc.) [10:24] 4.) docteam.ubuntu.com (where will we host our status and preview docs) [10:24] 5.) creation of the wiki team (for...?) [10:25] what you think? [10:26] great [10:26] hmmm how will i describe #5 though [10:26] oh wait let me look at your email [10:26] just refer to the thread on the ML [10:28] alright how does 06.30.2005 14UTC sound [10:28] it sounds awesome [10:28] right everyone is probably awake during that time (except the US) [10:29] hmm [10:29] we can rotate times in future maybe [10:29] i was thinking of rotating between 14 and 22 [10:29] just like what CC does [10:30] and thursday is a good day to adopt for the team [10:30] mdke: ok are we happy with that :) [10:31] dunno, but I am [10:31] i don't see you smiling :) [10:32] alright, i'm composing the email now and will send it [10:33] sorry :D [10:35] jsgotangco, btw we can just have an agenda page on the wiki that people can add to, what do you think? [10:37] like that of the CC page? [10:37] yeah [10:37] DocteamMeetingAgenda maybe [10:38] good idea, but i think any issues other than those we have for now will be covered after we finish the main agenda [10:38] fine by me [10:39] can you login to the wiki now? i still can't [10:39] no [10:39] i pinged elmo [10:39] alright, i'll just email this first on ubuntu-doc and ubuntu-users [10:39] oh and ubuntu-devel as well [10:40] yay [10:40] good call [10:42] ok to finalize, the Ubuntu Documentation Project team will be having its FIRST regular meeting on June 30, 2005 at 14:00UTC [10:42] we will be having the regular meetings in 2-week intervals so the next meeting after the 30th would be on the 14th of July (time TBA) [10:45] WOW 14:00 UTC is an awesome time for me [10:45] what time? [10:45] 10PM [10:45] cool [10:46] and 7am on jeffsch's side [10:46] ouch [10:46] he said 14utc is cool with him [10:46] oh good [10:49] in other news i have been completely taken over by emacs for my everyday work [10:50] (i can even chat in here) [10:51] mdke: let's post this agenda first on DocteamNextIRCMeeting then after that, we can use DocteamAgenda what do you think [10:58] mdke: ping? [11:00] jsgotangco, sorry, here I am [11:00] I would say use DocteamMeetingAgenda straight away [11:00] emacs eh [11:01] i've become obsessed with urxvt+screen+irssi for irc now [11:01] mdke: but we can't put it in the wiki now [11:01] jsgotangco, no problem, I'm happy to do it when the wiki is working [11:01] ok DocteamMeetingAgenda [11:01] i'll take it from your email [11:08] ermmm [11:08] how do i describe document profiling? [11:08] i'm not convinced you need to describe all the agenda items in your email [11:08] they can be expanded on on the wiki page [11:09] i just want a 1-line overview [11:09] (after all, its not just us who will be reading it) [11:28] mdke: sent [11:38] nice email [11:39] jsgotangco, ok when the wiki is back i will create the page [11:40] jeezz i didnt know hula was already in universe [11:40] mdke: thanks [11:43] is it? [11:43] awesome [11:43] yeah [11:43] since hoary [11:43] i didnt even know [11:45] oh cool i got my launchpad request for ubuntu members approved already [11:45] what's that? [11:47] https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/ubuntumembers/+members [11:47] all members should register there [11:47] what does it do? [11:48] it should automate everything in the future (signing of CoC, ubuntu.com addresses, etc.) [11:48] (well not really everything) [11:49] ok [12:11] ok im going home [12:11] see you [12:11] ok jsgotangco bye === jsgotangco [~user@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:37] mdke: i forgot [12:37] ;) [12:37] can you post the email in the wiki when it comes back [12:37] :) [12:37] because the email refers to a dead link for now :) [12:38] yes sure [12:38] thanks :) I'm out for the night then [12:38] ok night === asw [~asw@mcb1013.mcb.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [~ealden@ipdial-191-243.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:45] what do I need to edit: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/ [02:45] want to add a little 2x2 square [02:46] i think you need to be webmaster [02:46] with supported/unsupported free/illegal and put the four main/restricted/universe/multiverse in the boxes [02:47] those pages are official and as such I think are edited by the webmaster/mdz and other such peoples [02:48] sladen, another idea is to post to the recent thread on ubuntu-devel mailing list, where jdub and mdz have both said that improvements to that page are welcome [02:53] posted mdz a message [02:58] not to -devel? === asad2005 [~ub64@82.194.55.160] has joined #ubuntu-doc === fleixius_ [~fleixius@pcp0010497935pcs.essex01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === gtaylor [~gtaylor@130-127-67-44.lehotsky.clemson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === gtaylor [~gtaylor@130-127-67-44.lehotsky.clemson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:45] hello gtaylor [03:45] :) [03:49] heya mdke [04:31] 1400 UTC? As in, 2am? [04:31] rock === froud [~froud@ndn-165-143-84.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:51] hi froud jjesse [04:51] go gtaylor !! [04:51] hiya mdke [04:51] :-) [04:58] hey froud, looking at the kuserguide, I see you have subsections under Internet for messaging and stuff [04:59] But when I hit the link, it takes me back to the preface [04:59] Hmmm === froud goes to check [05:00] gtaylor: which part? [05:00] Internet: Messaging [05:00] kug [05:00] [05:00] Instant Messaging [05:00] [05:00] Section Tittle [05:00] ... [05:00] [05:00] [05:00] that's the one [05:00] empty [05:01] there is not link there [05:01] well I'm looking at it with Yelp and under the Using the Internet chapter I have a list of subsections that are linked [05:02] the HTML version works fine though but that takes a long time to build on this machine [05:03] lemme see it in yelp [05:06] arhg! darn yelp keeps craching on a valid document, I can't open it at present [05:07] have you been testing using the html build? [05:07] always [05:07] ok [05:07] actuall I install the files and see them in khelpcenter or from the kio-slave help:/ [05:08] but there are no links in that section [05:08] actually there is no text in that section [05:08] gtaylor: did you see the message about the preview site [05:08] http://lnix.net/~froud [05:08] I thought there was "..." [05:08] yeah, looked good [05:09] Ok will will update it again tonight [05:09] I will aim to update it once a day [05:09] yeah, cron that sucker [05:09] gtaylor: I just commited some patches on your patches [05:09] ok [05:09] you should see them in your commit list [05:10] gtaylor: try not use casual language [05:10] ok [05:10] like "if you want to checkout your ..." :-) [05:10] remember people at i18n have to translate this === mdke nods and glares at gtaylor [05:11] and these things don't translate well :-) [05:11] some sematic errors [05:11] yu can validate your document to find problems using the validate.sh in trunk/ [05:12] if you can't find the problem, then leave it and I will fix it [05:12] other than that, great stuff. I take it you have id'd the parts you want to write :-) [05:13] gtaylor: jjesse: if you want a part or a chapter/sect just mark it thus [05:13] [05:13] Expanding Kubuntu [05:13] [05:13] I'll probably start with the easiest sections first and work my way up [05:13] that way we will know who is where [05:14] grin me 2 gtaylor [05:14] cool, whatever you feel like doing [05:14] i'm leaving one of the projects that i am currently working on so i'll have more time to work on docs [05:14] cool, good to know [05:17] gtaylor: jjesse: do you understand why to change the status attribute as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamWork "Marking what you do" [05:17] yup, so not to duplicate things, make sense to me [05:18] yeah, I haven't done enough work in the userguide to warrant any status changes yet though [05:18] OK, but also to get the status reports output correctly [05:18] see http://lnix.net/~froud/status/kqg-report.html [05:18] ok [05:18] ok [05:18] the author remarks col is generated from the value in the status attribute [05:18] btw is it first come first serve to comit patches that come across the mailing list or how does that work? [05:19] ifyou leave an authorblurb it will add your comment [05:19] like the diff that just came across [05:19] jjesse: 1st come 1st serve [05:19] just make a note back to the list that you have applied it [05:19] but before commit do check the patch [05:19] nod, don't have the time now for the one just came across but was just curious [05:20] in our mailing list? [05:20] as far as I know all are done. lemme check [05:20] ah ha new one [05:21] anyone with commit can checkit and commit [05:21] hmm [05:21] if the patch is really bad, the politely reject, if not so bad, patch and fix before commit [05:21] he never writes anything in his emails ;) === froud goes on school run === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:04] bb in 5 === froud [~sean@ndn-165-143-84.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === judax [~judax@ppp-69-148-18-161.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:09] http://lnix.net/~froud updated [07:09] froud: Hi === judax [~judax@ppp-69-148-18-161.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Njal [~chatzilla@dsl-80-43-203-46.access.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:52] lo [07:55] hi === JonA [~jonathan@alxpc1jaa2.alx.aber.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:57] hows all? [07:58] good thanks v much, yourself? [07:58] im good [07:58] thanks for patches [07:59] they any good? [07:59] I havn't removed everything in the xml file again have i? :P [07:59] hey judax [07:59] the last one looks like it can be applied [07:59] i will take a closer look later [07:59] cool thanks [07:59] thank YOU @_ [07:59] bah [07:59] @_ = :) [08:00] ah kk, case of lazy finger :p [08:00] You tryed auto package? [08:00] what is that? [08:01] judax: you looking for me? [08:01] http://www.autopackage.org/index.html [08:02] well no i haven't [08:02] i've never done any packaging [08:02] No it's like um a universal package installation suite works the same for every distro [08:04] Meaning if there's an app that's just not getting backported you can install it through autopackage [08:04] however it also means YOUR in charge of keeping it up to date [08:05] i just use Ubuntu packages [08:05] not even backports [08:06] ah well i just like playing really [08:06] does sound quite cool [08:08] I am undecided yet, sounds good in theory installing a couple of packages and seeing what it's really like === gtaylor [~gtaylor@130-127-67-44.lehotsky.clemson.edu] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Kopete] [08:17] froud: was just saying 'Hi' :) [08:18] hi [08:20] damn forums are down [08:29] lo [08:56] forums are back [09:01] wicked thanks [09:03] np === asad20051 [~ub64@217.17.244.197] has joined #ubuntu-doc === unome [~unome@ool-43513cf5.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-117.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === asad2005 [~ub64@217.17.253.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc === FLeiXiuS [~fleixius@pcp0010497935pcs.essex01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === unome [~unome@ool-43513cf5.dyn.optonline.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] === froud [~sean@ndn-165-143-84.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc