[12:43] <sladen> froud: heavens no!  :-)
[01:51] <mdke> robitaille, sorry i forgot to tell you about the icon thing
[01:52] <mdke> have replied on list now
[02:43] <robitaille> mdke:  ok.  So there is no point for me to work on these icons until a permanent solution is established.
[05:58] <jsgotangco> brb
[06:27] <jeffsch> hello jsgotangco 
[07:55] <jsgotangco> hi
[07:55] <jsgotangco> sorry i was out for lunch
[07:56] <jeffsch> as long as you're not out *to* lunch! :)
[08:02] <jeffsch> jsgotangco: i started an agenda on DocteamNextIRCMeeting
[08:12] <jsgotangco> oh right i was about to to that later
[08:18] <froud> African Greetings
[08:19] <froud> plovs: ping :-)
[08:19] <jsgotangco> hi
[08:20] <froud> jsgotangco: howzit
[08:20] <plovs> froud: morning!
[08:20] <jsgotangco> not bad im just reading stuff i bought the oreily docbook at the bookstore last night
[08:20] <froud> jsgotangco: cool
[08:21] <froud> plovs: where the hell have you been dude, I missed you
[08:22] <plovs> froud: :-) that's nice to hear, working and vacationing mostly, i'm working on a debian-installer for work to install our debian boxes
[08:22] <froud> plovs: cool, dude. you thinking of helping on docs?
[08:23] <plovs> thinking yes, but actually doing anything, not yet, i leave for another week in three hours, vacation is killing me :-)
[08:24] <plovs> but later, i really would like to
[08:24] <froud> plovs: well, that's ok. you know that you are always welcome here
[08:24] <froud> plovs: but you will have to arrange for you commit account again
[08:25] <froud> plovs: we moved to svn in canonical server farm sometime back
[08:25] <froud> I dont remember you getting an acount
[08:25] <plovs> no problem, i know where to find you
[08:26] <plovs> how are things in the docs?
[08:26] <froud> plovs: enrico is still around, busy with work, send him a your public pgp and username
[08:26] <froud> plovs: we are making steady progress
[08:26] <froud> the team has grown
[08:27] <froud> more hands and eyeballs to work with, makes it cool
[08:29] <froud> plovs: jsgotangco is now secretary
[08:31] <froud> jeffsch: thanks for bringing strip path from xsl 1.68.1 to our custlayer
[08:32] <jeffsch> you're welcome. I still can't understand it's purpose though...
[08:33] <froud> jeffsch: what strippath
[08:33] <jeffsch> yeah
[08:33] <froud> yeah rather stupic template
[08:33] <froud> stupid
[08:33] <jeffsch> there must be some method in the madness
[08:34] <froud> but at least we can use our custom layers to circumvent such problems. That's the other good thing about custom layers
[08:35] <froud> I see that you have learned to swim well in xsl and the db nwalsh stylesheets ;-) cool stuff
[08:35] <froud> the nwdb xsl's are hectic
[08:35] <froud> powerful but hectic
[08:36] <jeffsch> tweren't nuthin. I just grepped for "fileref" then followed the trail to strippath
[08:36] <froud> he he
[08:37] <jeffsch> "swimming" would be an exageration
[08:37] <froud> well even I admit that I tend to drown in them
[08:39] <froud> jeffsch: but that is where all the power of docbook is, so no choice must swim and sink there sometimes
[08:43] <froud> jeffsch: sorry I did not get to the style guide over the weekend
[08:43] <froud> did everything else except that :-)
[08:44] <jeffsch> I was thinking something like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocBookReference would be good for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StyleGuide/DocBookConventions
[08:44] <froud> yes like the kde markup guide
[08:45] <froud> jeffsch: I think gnome also has such an animal, right?
[08:46] <jeffsch> yeah, but mostly in the GNOME Handbook of Writing Software Documentation
[08:47] <froud> yah, that's it
[08:47] <froud> we most have a mix between the two, and we exclude some g and k specific stuff
[08:47] <froud> except for g and k specific aps
[08:49] <froud> btw, ppl its a good idea to lookout for new apps that will be developed by k/ubuntu for breezy. If we can we should grab them and document them
[08:49] <froud> I heard that there is an update-notifier for kubuntu planned
[08:50] <froud> ok morning coffee finished, time to start my day. c ya later
[09:14] <jsgotangco> plovs, did hornbeck contact you
[09:16] <plovs> jsgotangco: not lately, no
[09:18] <jsgotangco> plovs, he's been looking for you specifically, since he is writing a book and was looking for you
[09:18] <jsgotangco> (for APress)
[09:20] <plovs> jsgotangco:  i'll mail him, thanks
[09:57] <mdke> hey jsgotangco 
[09:57] <mdke> and everyone
[10:02] <mdke> jsgotangco, you haven't organised the meeting for this week yet?
[10:05] <jsgotangco> i was thinking of doing it next week
[10:05] <jsgotangco> its too soon to announce it now
[10:05] <jsgotangco> don't you think
[10:05] <mdke> :(
[10:05] <mdke> man we have so much to do!
[10:05] <jsgotangco> after next week, we'll make it regular every 2 weeks
[10:05] <jsgotangco> don't worry, i'll send an email later
[10:06] <mdke> grrrr
[10:06] <jsgotangco> grrr?
[10:06] <jsgotangco> hold on
[10:06] <jsgotangco> let me try this
[10:07] <jsgotangco> hmm ok this is kinda weird
[10:09] <mdke> sup?
[10:09] <jsgotangco> im trying out ERC
[10:10] <jsgotangco> ever since im using ION, i've been wanting everything to be minimalist
[10:10] <mdke> an easy thing to organise the meeting would just be to make a permanent wiki agenda page, like the CC does, then no organisation is needed, it can just happen every 2 weeks
[10:10] <mdke> i think we should have one this week
[10:11] <jsgotangco> if I finish compiling all issues and call up a meeting for thursday, i think it would be too soon IMO, i was thinking tuesday next week
[10:12] <jsgotangco> and set up a regular 2-week interval meeting after that
[10:12] <mdke> :(
[10:13] <mdke> that is bad news
[10:13] <jsgotangco> huh?
[10:13] <mdke> we have lots of things we need to get sorted and have been waiting for the meeting
[10:13] <jsgotangco> hold on let me switch to a better client
[10:15] <jsgotangco> ok this is much better
[10:15] <jsgotangco> mdke: can we make an agenda right now
[10:16] <mdke> yes
[10:17] <mdke> well sort of
[10:17] <mdke> personally I can't log into the wiki
[10:17] <mdke> but we can make one here, and I'll put it up later
[10:17] <jsgotangco> same here
[10:17] <jsgotangco> ok
[10:17] <jsgotangco> 1st up in agenda: StyleGuide
[10:17] <mdke> good
[10:17] <mdke> next, whether to ship in html
[10:17] <mdke> next, whether to profile our documentation
[10:18] <jsgotangco> hold on
[10:18] <mdke> sure
[10:18] <jsgotangco> i think we should still fill up the details on DocteamProjects
[10:18] <mdke> go on...
[10:18] <mdke> in what way fill up?
[10:18] <jsgotangco> doc status and html previews
[10:18] <jsgotangco> there's so much admin stuff to do in those ocs
[10:18] <jsgotangco> docs
[10:19] <mdke> that's another issue
[10:19] <mdke> (docteam.ubuntu.com)
[10:19] <mdke> ok so we have 4 topics so far
[10:19] <jsgotangco> just a way to upload them would do
[10:20] <mdke> wiki team could be a 5th topic
[10:20] <mdke> what else?
[10:20] <jsgotangco> hmmmm
[10:20] <mdke> i want to talk about translation but it can be done at a later meeting
[10:20] <jsgotangco> that's all i could thik of at the moment
[10:21] <mdke> i think that is enough
[10:21] <jsgotangco> i thought translation is a rosetta issue
[10:21] <mdke> its a lot
[10:21] <mdke> translation is done in rosetta but then needs to be handled by us
[10:22] <mdke> but it doesn't need to be discussed at the next meeting
[10:22] <mdke> i think those issues are already more than enough ;)
[10:22] <jsgotangco> maybe we should move rosetta at a later date
[10:22] <mdke> move rosetta?
[10:22] <jsgotangco> the meeting :)
[10:22] <mdke> that's what I said
[10:22] <jsgotangco> ok to summarize
[10:22] <jsgotangco> ah
[10:23] <jsgotangco> 1.) tackling the StyleGuide 2.)what would be the preferred docteam format to ship (HTML/XML)
[10:24] <jsgotangco> 3.) document profiling
[10:24] <jsgotangco> (KDE/GNOME, etc.)
[10:24] <jsgotangco> 4.) docteam.ubuntu.com (where will we host our status and preview docs)
[10:24] <jsgotangco> 5.) creation of the wiki team (for...?)
[10:25] <jsgotangco> what you think?
[10:26] <mdke> great
[10:26] <jsgotangco> hmmm how will i describe #5 though
[10:26] <jsgotangco> oh wait let me look at your email
[10:26] <mdke> just refer to the thread on the ML
[10:28] <jsgotangco> alright how does 06.30.2005 14UTC sound
[10:28] <mdke> it sounds awesome
[10:28] <jsgotangco> right everyone is probably awake during that time (except the US)
[10:29] <mdke> hmm
[10:29] <mdke> we can rotate times in future maybe
[10:29] <jsgotangco> i was thinking of rotating between 14 and 22
[10:29] <jsgotangco> just like what CC does
[10:30] <jsgotangco> and thursday is a good day to adopt for the team
[10:30] <jsgotangco> mdke: ok are we happy with that :)
[10:31] <mdke> dunno, but I am
[10:31] <jsgotangco> i don't see you smiling :)
[10:32] <jsgotangco> alright, i'm composing the email now and will send it
[10:33] <mdke> sorry :D
[10:35] <mdke> jsgotangco, btw we can just have an agenda page on the wiki that people can add to, what do you think?
[10:37] <jsgotangco> like that of the CC page?
[10:37] <mdke> yeah
[10:37] <mdke> DocteamMeetingAgenda maybe
[10:38] <jsgotangco> good idea, but i think any issues other than those we have for now will be covered after we finish the main agenda
[10:38] <mdke> fine by me
[10:39] <jsgotangco> can you login to the wiki now? i still can't
[10:39] <mdke> no
[10:39] <mdke> i pinged elmo
[10:39] <jsgotangco> alright, i'll just email this first on ubuntu-doc and ubuntu-users
[10:39] <jsgotangco> oh and ubuntu-devel as well
[10:40] <mdke> yay
[10:40] <mdke> good call
[10:42] <jsgotangco> ok to finalize, the Ubuntu Documentation Project team will be having its FIRST regular meeting on June 30, 2005 at 14:00UTC
[10:42] <jsgotangco> we will be having the regular meetings in 2-week intervals so the next meeting after the 30th would be on the 14th of July (time TBA)
[10:45] <jsgotangco> WOW 14:00 UTC is an awesome time for me
[10:45] <mdke> what time?
[10:45] <jsgotangco> 10PM
[10:45] <mdke> cool
[10:46] <jsgotangco> and 7am on jeffsch's side
[10:46] <mdke> ouch
[10:46] <jsgotangco> he said 14utc is cool with him
[10:46] <mdke> oh good
[10:49] <jsgotangco> in other news i have been completely taken over by emacs for my everyday work
[10:50] <jsgotangco> (i can even chat in here)
[10:51] <jsgotangco> mdke: let's post this agenda first on DocteamNextIRCMeeting then after that, we can use DocteamAgenda what do you think
[10:58] <jsgotangco> mdke: ping?
[11:00] <mdke> jsgotangco, sorry, here I am
[11:00] <mdke> I would say use DocteamMeetingAgenda straight away
[11:00] <mdke> emacs eh
[11:01] <mdke> i've become obsessed with urxvt+screen+irssi for irc now
[11:01] <jsgotangco> mdke: but we can't put it in the wiki now
[11:01] <mdke> jsgotangco, no problem, I'm happy to do it when the wiki is working
[11:01] <jsgotangco> ok DocteamMeetingAgenda
[11:01] <mdke> i'll take it from your email
[11:08] <jsgotangco> ermmm
[11:08] <jsgotangco> how do i describe document profiling?
[11:08] <mdke> i'm not convinced you need to describe all the agenda items in your email
[11:08] <mdke> they can be expanded on on the wiki page
[11:09] <jsgotangco> i just want a 1-line overview
[11:09] <jsgotangco> (after all, its not just us who will be reading it)
[11:28] <jsgotangco> mdke: sent
[11:38] <mdke> nice email
[11:39] <mdke> jsgotangco, ok when the wiki is back i will create the page
[11:40] <jsgotangco> jeezz i didnt know hula was already in universe
[11:40] <jsgotangco> mdke: thanks
[11:43] <mdke> is it?
[11:43] <mdke> awesome
[11:43] <jsgotangco> yeah
[11:43] <jsgotangco> since hoary
[11:43] <jsgotangco> i didnt even know
[11:45] <jsgotangco> oh cool i got my launchpad request for ubuntu members approved already
[11:45] <mdke> what's that?
[11:47] <jsgotangco> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/ubuntumembers/+members
[11:47] <jsgotangco> all members should register there
[11:47] <mdke> what does it do?
[11:48] <jsgotangco> it should automate everything in the future (signing of CoC, ubuntu.com addresses, etc.)
[11:48] <jsgotangco> (well not really everything)
[11:49] <mdke> ok
[12:11] <jsgotangco> ok im going home
[12:11] <jsgotangco> see you
[12:11] <mdke> ok jsgotangco bye
[12:37] <jsgotangco> mdke: i forgot
[12:37] <mdke> ;)
[12:37] <jsgotangco> can you post the email in the wiki when it comes back
[12:37] <jsgotangco> :)
[12:37] <jsgotangco> because the email refers to a dead link for now :)
[12:38] <mdke> yes sure
[12:38] <jsgotangco> thanks :) I'm out for the night then
[12:38] <mdke> ok night
[02:45] <sladen> what do I need to edit:  https://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/
[02:45] <sladen> want to add a little 2x2 square
[02:46] <mdke> i think you need to be webmaster
[02:46] <sladen> with supported/unsupported  free/illegal   and put the four   main/restricted/universe/multiverse in the boxes
[02:47] <mdke> those pages are official and as such I think are edited by the webmaster/mdz and other such peoples
[02:48] <mdke> sladen, another idea is to post to the recent thread on ubuntu-devel mailing list, where jdub and mdz have both said that improvements to that page are welcome
[02:53] <sladen> posted mdz a message
[02:58] <mdke> not to -devel?
[03:45] <mdke> hello gtaylor 
[03:45] <mdke> :)
[03:49] <gtaylor> heya mdke
[04:31] <mpt> 1400 UTC? As in, 2am?
[04:31] <mpt> rock
[04:51] <mdke> hi froud jjesse 
[04:51] <mdke> go gtaylor !!
[04:51] <jjesse> hiya mdke
[04:51] <froud> :-)
[04:58] <gtaylor> hey froud, looking at the kuserguide, I see you have subsections under Internet for messaging and stuff
[04:59] <gtaylor> But when I hit the link, it takes me back to the preface
[04:59] <froud> Hmmm
[05:00] <froud> gtaylor: which part?
[05:00] <gtaylor> Internet: Messaging
[05:00] <froud> kug
[05:00] <froud> <chapter status="help">
[05:00] <froud> 			<title>Instant Messaging</title>
[05:00] <froud> 			<sect1>
[05:00] <froud> 				<title>Section Tittle</title>
[05:00] <froud> 				<para>...</para>
[05:00] <froud> 			</sect1>
[05:00] <froud> 		</chapter>
[05:00] <gtaylor> that's the one
[05:00] <froud> empty
[05:01] <froud> there is not link there
[05:01] <gtaylor> well I'm looking at it with Yelp and under the Using the Internet chapter I have a list of subsections that are linked
[05:02] <gtaylor> the HTML version works fine though but that takes a long time to build on this machine
[05:03] <froud> lemme see it in yelp
[05:06] <froud> arhg! darn yelp keeps craching on a valid document, I can't open it at present
[05:07] <gtaylor> have you been testing using the html build?
[05:07] <froud> always
[05:07] <gtaylor> ok
[05:07] <froud> actuall I install the files and see them in khelpcenter or from the kio-slave help:/
[05:08] <froud> but there are no links in that section
[05:08] <froud> actually there is no text in that section
[05:08] <froud> gtaylor: did you see the message about the preview site
[05:08] <froud> http://lnix.net/~froud
[05:08] <gtaylor> I thought there was "..."
[05:08] <gtaylor> yeah, looked good
[05:09] <froud> Ok will will update it again tonight
[05:09] <froud> I will aim to update it once a day
[05:09] <gtaylor> yeah, cron that sucker
[05:09] <froud> gtaylor: I just commited some patches on your patches
[05:09] <gtaylor> ok
[05:09] <froud> you should see them in your commit list
[05:10] <froud> gtaylor: try not use casual language
[05:10] <gtaylor> ok
[05:10] <froud> like "if you want to checkout your ..." :-)
[05:10] <froud> remember people at i18n have to translate this
[05:11] <froud> and these things don't translate well :-)
[05:11] <froud> some sematic errors
[05:11] <froud> yu can validate your document to find problems using the validate.sh in trunk/
[05:12] <froud> if you can't find the problem, then leave it and I will fix it
[05:12] <froud> other than that, great stuff. I take it you have id'd the parts you want to write :-)
[05:13] <froud> gtaylor: jjesse: if you want a part or a chapter/sect just mark it thus
[05:13] <froud> <part id="pt-expanding" status="writing">
[05:13] <froud> 		<title>Expanding Kubuntu</title>
[05:13] <froud> 		<!-- Sean Wheller: Writing this part -->
[05:13] <gtaylor> I'll probably start with the easiest sections first and work my way up
[05:13] <froud> that way we will know who is where
[05:14] <jjesse> grin me 2 gtaylor
[05:14] <froud> cool, whatever you feel like doing
[05:14] <jjesse> i'm leaving one of the projects that i am currently working on so i'll have more time to work on docs
[05:14] <froud> cool, good to know
[05:17] <froud> gtaylor: jjesse: do you understand why to change the status attribute as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamWork "Marking what you do"
[05:17] <jjesse> yup, so not to duplicate things, make sense to me
[05:18] <gtaylor> yeah, I haven't done enough work in the userguide to warrant any status changes yet though
[05:18] <froud> OK, but also to get the status reports output correctly
[05:18] <froud> see http://lnix.net/~froud/status/kqg-report.html
[05:18] <gtaylor> ok
[05:18] <jjesse> ok
[05:18] <froud> the author remarks col is generated from the value in the status attribute
[05:18] <jjesse> btw is it first come first serve to comit patches that come across the mailing list or how does that work?
[05:19] <froud> ifyou leave an authorblurb it will add your comment
[05:19] <jjesse> like the diff that just came across
[05:19] <froud> jjesse: 1st come 1st serve
[05:19] <froud> just make a note back to the list that you have applied it
[05:19] <froud> but before commit do check the patch
[05:19] <jjesse> nod, don't have the time now for the one just came across but was just curious
[05:20] <froud> in our mailing list?
[05:20] <froud> as far as I know all are done. lemme check
[05:20] <froud> ah ha new one
[05:21] <froud> anyone with commit can checkit and commit
[05:21] <mdke> hmm
[05:21] <froud> if the patch is really bad, the politely reject, if not so bad, patch and fix before commit
[05:21] <mdke> he never writes anything in his emails ;)
[06:04] <froud> bb in 5
[07:09] <froud> http://lnix.net/~froud updated
[07:09] <judax> froud: Hi
[07:52] <Njal> lo
[07:55] <mdke> hi
[07:57] <Njal> hows all?
[07:58] <mdke> good thanks v much, yourself?
[07:58] <Njal> im good
[07:58] <mdke> thanks for patches
[07:59] <Njal> they any good?
[07:59] <Njal> I havn't removed everything in the xml file again have i? :P
[07:59] <froud> hey judax 
[07:59] <mdke> the last one looks like it can be applied
[07:59] <mdke> i will take a closer look later
[07:59] <Njal> cool thanks
[07:59] <mdke> thank YOU @_
[07:59] <mdke> bah
[07:59] <mdke> @_ = :)
[08:00] <Njal> ah kk, case of lazy finger :p
[08:00] <Njal> You tryed auto package?
[08:00] <mdke> what is that?
[08:01] <froud> judax: you looking for me?
[08:01] <Njal> http://www.autopackage.org/index.html
[08:02] <mdke> well no i haven't
[08:02] <mdke> i've never done any packaging
[08:02] <Njal> No it's like um a universal package installation suite works the same for every distro
[08:04] <Njal> Meaning if there's an app that's just not getting backported you can install it through autopackage
[08:04] <Njal> however it also means YOUR in charge of keeping it up to date
[08:05] <mdke> i just use Ubuntu packages
[08:05] <mdke> not even backports
[08:06] <Njal> ah well i just like playing really
[08:06] <mdke> does sound quite cool
[08:08] <Njal> I am undecided yet, sounds good in theory installing a couple of packages and seeing what it's really like
[08:17] <judax> froud: was just saying 'Hi' :)
[08:18] <froud> hi
[08:20] <mdke> damn forums are down
[08:29] <Njal> lo
[08:56] <Njal> forums are back
[09:01] <mdke> wicked thanks
[09:03] <Njal> np