[12:04] <dholbach> i'm reviewing bum
[12:06] <tseng> im reviewing CSS :)
[12:06] <siretart> dholbach: I replied you. you should be able to login now
[12:07] <dholbach> siretart: ROCK
[12:07] <dholbach> siretart: thank you
[12:07] <siretart> n/p
[12:09] <dholbach> Mithrandir: muhuhuahahahahaa :)
[12:09] <Mithrandir> dholbach: how's the ROCK show going?
[12:09] <dholbach> Mithrandir: which one are you talking about? i feel like attending at least 3 at the same time :)
[12:10] <Mithrandir> dholbach: the Ubuntu one, naturally.
[12:10] <tseng> oh man this is looking nice
[12:10] <tseng> one minute
[12:10] <dholbach> Mithrandir: we're having a review day atm :)
[12:11] <HiddenWolf> dholbach, got anything done?
[12:11] <dholbach> HiddenWolf: reviewing-wise?
[12:11] <ajmitch> it's just starting
[12:11] <HiddenWolf> heh, right.
[12:12] <HiddenWolf> It's midnight for me.
[12:12] <dholbach> REVIEW DAY! NOW!
[12:12] <dholbach> woohoo!
[12:12] <bddebian> Midnight is the perfect time to start!
[12:13] <dholbach> HiddenWolf: MAN! THIS IS UBUNTU! I'm NAKED! THIS IS POLICY!
[12:13] <dholbach> man... he didn't get it
[12:13] <HiddenWolf> dholbach, now you've given me nightmares!
[12:13] <dholbach> sissy ;)
[12:14] <HiddenWolf> dholbach, naked nerd is just scary.
[12:14] <dholbach> hahahaha
[12:15] <HiddenWolf> Have fun guys
[12:15] <dholbach> bye HiddenWolf, sleep tight
[12:15] <HiddenWolf> Go MOTU, Go. :)
[12:15] <dholbach> ROCK ON!
[12:15] <ajmitch> hey \sh
[12:15] <tseng> guys
[12:15] <tseng> http://tseng.ath.cx/images/revu.png
[12:15] <tseng> check this out.
[12:16] <ajmitch> ooh shiny
[12:16] <ajmitch> looks good
[12:16] <\sh> strange..after 2 hours in the office, all my beer is blowing with the wind
[12:16] <\sh> tseng: nice :) absolutely
[12:17] <bddebian> ajmitch: They won't let you drink at work?  WTF? ;-)
[12:18] <\sh> ajmitch: all my alcohol in my blood is gone since 2 hours
[12:19] <ajmitch> \sh: you need more
[12:19] <ajmitch> bddebian: I know, very restrictive here
[12:19] <siretart> tseng: woah, looks great!
[12:19] <tseng> im just ripping it off from the wiki really
[12:19] <ajmitch> my hours are reasonably flexible, since I'm doign 30 a week
[12:19] <siretart> tseng: is it just the stylesheet?
[12:20] <tseng> siretart: yes
[12:20] <\sh> ajmitch: no thx...i will smoke one or two cigarettes thats all and then to bed
[12:20] <tseng> i think i made one change to html so far
[12:20] <tseng> maybe 2
[12:20] <tseng> just adding the header
[12:20] <\sh> ah...our review day started
[12:20] <ajmitch> \sh: beer helps you relax & get to sleep :)
[12:20] <tseng> siretart: ill tar it up and send it to you
[12:20] <siretart> tseng: great! :)
[12:20] <\sh> ajmitch: i had too many beers today ;)
[12:20] <tseng> siretart: it is messy, just a few minutes hacking
[12:20] <siretart> ah, huhu \sh
[12:21] <\sh> hey siretart
[12:21] <tseng> siretart: but i think it alreayd looks alot nicer
[12:21] <siretart> absolutly!
[12:21] <tseng> siretart: tseng.ath.cx/revu.tar.gz
[12:22] <ajmitch> this is where baz can be helpful :)
[12:22] <tseng> ajmitch: hahah
[12:22] <tseng> ajmitch: i just did "save page as" in firefox
[12:25] <siretart> tseng: integrated. thank you
[12:25] <ajmitch> hmm, bzflag could be reasonably hard to review
[12:25] <tseng> siretart: rock!
[12:25] <ajmitch> the diff between the 2 source trees is ~3MB :)
[12:25] <tseng> siretart: oh, i changed the class of the div around login
[12:25] <tseng> siretart: class=login
[12:25] <tseng> </3 the boxes around the form
[12:26] <tseng> and i changed Num of comments to "Comments"
[12:26] <tseng> the line break in the th is teh suck
[12:26] <siretart> tseng: ah, I see. mom
[12:27] <tseng> man we rock so hard
[12:28] <ajmitch> looks much much better now
[12:28] <tseng> the other pages could use some love later
[12:28] <tseng> i didnt fetch them
[12:28] <siretart> tseng: please send me an email with gnupg id and email, I'll give you svn access. thats easier for us all ;)
[12:28] <siretart> and password
[12:28] <tseng> sure
[12:29] <ajmitch> centralised source repositories.. they can be annoying now :)
[12:29] <tseng> is the actual live checkout autoupdated?
[12:29] <siretart> ajmitch: darcs is also very fine ;)
[12:30] <tseng> sent btw
[12:30] <siretart> no. I have to checkout that manually
[12:30] <siretart> ok, then I'm choosing the pw ;)
[12:30] <tseng> maybe i should make the header outside the conent div
[12:31] <tseng> so i can make it full width
[12:32] <tseng> siretart: can you give me review access also please?
[12:32] <ajmitch> I need to package something new so it can get uploaded for review :)
[12:32] <tseng> there should be an easier way for new people to get upload access in the future
[12:33] <tseng> at least as easy as it is now on the wiki
[12:33] <tseng> hey like..
[12:33] <tseng> they post their GPG key in a form
[12:33] <ajmitch> you still want to have manual approval
[12:33] <tseng> it sends thema  confirmation email (signed) to that address
[12:33] <ajmitch> especially if you're autobuilding
[12:33] <tseng> and they can confirm
[12:33] <tseng> does that make sense?
[12:34] <ajmitch> since an malicious package can still screw up an autobuilder
[12:34] <tseng> er, not signed, encrypted
[12:34] <tseng> with their login info
[12:34] <dholbach> apart from some tiny things, bum is ready to go
[12:35] <tseng> ajmitch: how would we know any better if it were more manual than this?
[12:35] <siretart> tseng: done
[12:35] <tseng> ajmitch: if we never heard of the person
[12:35] <tseng> siretart: you are on the ball
[12:35] <siretart> :)
[12:35] <ajmitch> dholbach: unfortunate name though :)
[12:36] <dholbach> haha :)
[12:36] <siretart> tseng: does a svn work? I just commited your changes (so far, still missing a bit)
[12:36] <tseng> yeah um
[12:36] <tseng> how do i specify my user to svn?
[12:36] <tseng> my local user is "brandon"
[12:37] <siretart> ah. hm..
[12:37] <siretart> svn co http://tseng@siretart.tauware.de/svn/revu
[12:37] <siretart> does that work?
[12:37] <tseng> no
[12:37] <siretart> ph
[12:37] <siretart> oh
[12:38] <tseng> oh
[12:38] <siretart> tseng: I renamed your user to brandon, is that better? ;)
[12:38] <tseng> uh sure
[12:38] <tseng> works
[12:38] <tseng> thanks :)
[12:38] <siretart> :)
[12:38] <tseng> its checkout http://blah --username foo, btw
[12:39] <siretart> oh
[12:39] <siretart> ok
[12:39] <dholbach> kat, here i come ;)
[12:41] <tseng> siretart: first checkin!
[12:41] <tseng> rock!
[12:41] <siretart> :)
[12:41] <tseng> siretart: will this run on my local apache w/o extra modules?
[12:42] <tseng> hm i guess i have no DB
[12:42] <siretart> tseng: hm. it needs mod-python and postgres
[12:42] <tseng> yeah nm
[12:42] <\sh> going to bed...cu todays morning :) and today is reviewday
[12:43] <siretart> would need some haking to turn the queries of. Or you hack around in scripts/Comments.py
[12:43] <siretart> not sure
[12:43] <tseng> yeah i wont screw with it
[12:43] <siretart> gn8 \sh_away
[12:43] <tseng> my method for doing it the first time was ok
[12:43] <tseng> save the static html from firefox
[12:43] <tseng> for hacking
[12:44] <siretart> ok. but I'm off for bed, too - really need some sleep
[12:44] <tseng> yep
[12:44] <tseng> cya
[01:51] <dholbach> how's the review party going on other places? :)
[01:52] <ajmitch> paid work seems to get in the way :)
[01:52] <dholbach> :))
[01:52] <schweeb> lol
[01:52] <ajmitch> only thing I uploaded was a package you didn't quite fix properly for cxx transition, dholbach  ;)
[01:53] <dholbach> oh
[01:53] <dholbach> oh well
[01:53] <ajmitch> no big problem
[01:53] <dholbach> you know... other work got in my way
[01:53] <dholbach> ;()
[01:53] <dholbach> ;)
[01:53] <ajmitch> etting up libsvncpp-dev (0.8.0-1ubuntu1) ...
[01:53] <ajmitch> cannot create dhelp file '/usr/share/doc/libsvncpp0/html/.dhelp': No such file or directory
[01:53] <schweeb> next weekend I should actually have some time to upload a new gsf-sharp... although I doubt anyone actually uses it :P
[01:53] <ajmitch> simple missing c2 :)
[01:54] <ogra>  schweeb beagle does
[01:54] <dholbach> ajmitch: i worked on this one?
[01:54] <ajmitch> schweeb: I'm sure you've got at least 1 user
[01:54] <ajmitch> dholbach: rapidsvn, according to changelog
[01:54] <schweeb> ogra: did it get added as a depend?
[01:54] <dholbach> ajmitch: that must have been AGES ago
[01:54] <schweeb> I seem to remember you had to enable a compile option to get it to use gsf-sharp
[01:55] <ogra> schweeb, nope, but it uses it if available
[01:55] <ajmitch> dholbach: or maybe not, who know? :)
[01:55] <dholbach> hrm
[01:55] <schweeb> only if you enable at compile time, I believe, ogra
[01:55] <dholbach> did anybody test uploading to revu?
[01:55] <ajmitch> dholbach: doesn't matter at all
[01:55] <dholbach> ajmitch: yeah ;)
[01:55] <ajmitch> dholbach: haven't got something to upload yet..
[01:55] <schweeb> I'll bug tseng about it after I upgrade
[01:55] <ogra> schweeb, nope, i think it works if installed...
[01:55] <dholbach> i have 6-7 packages
[01:55] <ajmitch> I could upload pnet 0.7.0?
[01:57] <dholbach> will siretart have to review packages so they show up on it, after uploading?
[01:58] <ajmitch> nope
[01:58] <ajmitch> they should show up within 5 minutes
[01:58] <dholbach> hm
[01:58] <dholbach> how can i add comments?
[01:58] <dholbach> it says "Sorry, no Commenting for contributors"
[01:58] <dholbach> and i do have an account
[01:59] <ajmitch> you've logged in?
[01:59] <dholbach> yes
[01:59] <ajmitch> hmm, I get similar
[01:59] <dholbach> i'll at least upload all the crack i have ;)
[01:59] <dholbach> uploading feels GOOD ;)
[02:00] <ajmitch> commenting works for me
[02:00] <ajmitch> grr, patch didn't work properly, needs -p3 to apply
[02:01] <ajmitch> simple-patchsys only tries up to 2
[02:01] <dholbach> if commenting works, REVU is LOVE :)
[02:03] <ogra> rvue _is_ love :)
[02:05] <ajmitch> oh good, looks like my package might build now ;)
[02:05] <dholbach> i hope i didn't confuse  revu  and  ubuntu  when i uploaded ;)
[02:05] <ajmitch> almost time for a debian upload
[02:06] <dholbach> ajmitch: you could comment
[02:06] <dholbach> HRM
[02:10] <dholbach> maybe i'm just in the looser-keyring or something
[02:19] <tseng> schweeb: huh?
[02:19] <schweeb> tseng: does beagle use gsf-sharp if it wasn't enabled at compile time?
[02:19] <tseng> it uses it if its in the chroot
[02:20] <schweeb> so it needs to be there on compile time
[02:20] <tseng> YES
[02:20] <tseng> yes
[02:20] <schweeb> i.e. needs to be a build-dep
[02:20] <tseng> yes
[02:20] <dholbach> ans the package should depend on it, so the user has it too ;)
[02:20] <tseng> that would be shlibs/clilibs stuff
[02:20] <schweeb> of course
[02:20] <tseng> hopefully
[02:21] <tseng> schweeb: gsf-sharp is probably all wrong at this point
[02:21] <tseng> the mono dh_ stuff moved around
[02:21] <schweeb> yea
[02:21] <tseng> ill fix it for the next beagle
[02:21] <schweeb> I'm gonna redo the package in the next week or so, maybe
[02:21] <tseng> they ar edoing new releases of evo-sharp and gst-sharp
[02:21] <tseng> eh if you want it, sure
[02:21] <schweeb> depends when you do another beagle
[02:22] <tseng> a few weeks
[02:22] <schweeb> I should be able to have something by then
[02:22] <tseng> well it will be a new upstream at the same time
[02:28] <dholbach> i'll call it the day - good night
[03:25] <karlheg> What if beagle could index files on .iso images?  I've got .iso that contain lots of HTML --- magazine archives.
[03:26] <ajmitch> it should be fairly trivial
[03:27] <ajmitch> considering you can open isos in file-roller from nautilus
[03:28] <karlheg> ajmitch, or, perhaps soon, 'pmount' them and traverse them as a file system.
[03:29] <karlheg> I've had trouble with file-roller and some isos that... I can't recall; something to do with either having or not having rockridge? or Joliet?  I don't know much about it.  I reported it then; it may be fixed now.
[03:32] <ajmitch> I just meant that the code exists in userspace for reading isos, so a beagle plugin would be fairly easy
[03:35] <Lathiat> if you could pmount isos, that would rock
[03:35] <ajmitch> ask pitti about it then :)
[03:36] <karlheg> I filed a wishlist in bugzilla, and it got marked as assigned, so perhaps it will be done.
[03:36] <karlheg> It should be relatively easy for them to make it able to do that.
[03:37] <karlheg> ajmitch, Sure... do you think that's better than pmounting it?  Hmmm... what about auto-pmount ?
[03:38] <karlheg> I wonder if 'autofs' can do that somehow?
[03:39] <ajmitch> I don't see a pressing need to mount stuff
[03:42] <karlheg> Huh.  I guess you don't need pmount for that really.  If all the iso files are in a conffile or central location, a shell script map can easily allow autofs mounting of iso images.
[03:42] <Lathiat> but there not
[03:42] <karlheg> Your program, your call.
[03:42] <ajmitch> that's the problem
[03:42] <Lathiat> i just downloaded an iso
[03:42] <Lathiat> i wantto mount it
[03:42] <ajmitch> I've got several isos scattered around the file system
[03:43] <Lathiat> if you can read the iso file as your user
[03:43] <karlheg> If it works, it's fine with me.
[03:43] <karlheg> One thing I don't like about beagle is the binding of f12.  I use that key in Emacs.
[03:43] <Lathiat> i see no problem in lopback mounting it
[03:43] <karlheg> Can the binding be changed for Beagle?
[03:43] <ajmitch> Lathiat: btw you picked a great package for someone to review with bzflag :)
[03:43] <Lathiat> ajmitch: eh?
[03:43] <Lathiat> ajmitch: oh, to 'test'? :)
[03:43] <ajmitch> no, just to try & pick out your changes
[03:43] <Lathiat> oh
[03:43] <Lathiat> right
[03:43] <ajmitch> since a diff between debian & ubuntu is about 3MB
[03:43] <Lathiat> yeh i need to fix them
[03:44] <Lathiat> heh
[03:44] <ajmitch> due to build evilness
[03:44] <Lathiat> there was this one thing
[03:44] <Lathiat> i class was being defined down the bottom of a file
[03:44] <ajmitch> and the fact that it's a native debian package & the author should be soundly smacked around a bit
[03:44] <Lathiat> and references from the top
[03:44] <ajmitch> figuratively, of course :)
[03:44] <Lathiat> which built fine with g++-3
[03:44] <Lathiat> but not 4
[03:44] <Lathiat> but no idea how it biltin the first place
[03:44] <Lathiat> ajmitch: heh yeh
[03:44] <Lathiat> ajmitch: i was tryign to figure out if that was my fault or not
[03:45] <Lathiat> maybe i should repackage it not to suck ;p
[03:45] <ajmitch> sadly the upstream author is the debian maintainer
[03:45] <Lathiat> heh
[03:45] <ajmitch> which still doesn't excuse a native package, imho
[03:46] <Lathiat> ajmitch: if it helps any, i personally changed almost nothing
[03:46] <ajmitch> I know
[03:46] <ajmitch> but I still have to check for accidental changes & seeing what you did do
[03:46] <Lathiat> jut added a hack "class <blah>;", change some mcpu to march and fixed the build-deps
[03:46] <ajmitch> the pain of reviewing :)
[03:53] <Lathiat> tanks ajmitch
[03:53] <Lathiat> have fun ;)
[03:54] <ajmitch> oh I'm sure I will..
[03:54] <ajmitch> 1 issue is that the version number seems to autogenerate
[03:55] <ajmitch> eg in some files (.lsm, .info, .spec) the version number is the date you built it :)
[03:55] <|QuaD-> anyone feel like packaging somethign (ajmitch, Lathiat, hint hint ;) )
[03:55] <ajmitch> and that it has Makefiles in there that get generated... such a mess
[03:56] <ajmitch> |QuaD-: maybe
[03:56] <|QuaD-> ajmitch: http://browserbookapp.sourceforge.net/deskbar.html or http://gaim-assistant.tulg.org/
[03:56] <|QuaD-> gaim assistant is cooler, other is more useful
[03:57] <ajmitch> so why don't you want to package them? :)
[03:57] <|QuaD-> ajmitch: i do, i tried to package gaim-assistant, couldn't do it, no i just don't have time
[03:57] <|QuaD-> to learn
[03:58] <ajmitch> have you put these on UniverseCandidates?
[03:58] <|QuaD-> no
[03:58] <ajmitch> do so
[03:58] <|QuaD-> on the wiki?
[03:58] <ajmitch> yes
[03:58] <|QuaD-> ok
[03:59] <ajmitch> since I know I don't have time for making/testing a new package at the moment :)
[03:59] <|QuaD-> ajmitch: np :)
[04:03] <ajmitch> hi Amaranth
[04:03] <Amaranth> hi
[04:04] <ajmitch> Amaranth: is smeg 0.7.5 usable witht eh current gnome-menus?
[04:04] <Amaranth> i'm not sure
[04:04] <ajmitch> today is review day, so I thought I'd check it out..
[04:04] <ajmitch> & ask you before I checked it :)
[04:04] <Amaranth> TIAS :)
[04:04] <Amaranth> i don't even have access to a machine that can run smeg
[04:04] <Amaranth> i won't for at least a week, maybe two weeks
[04:06] <Amaranth> great
[04:06] <ajmitch> ouch
[04:06] <Amaranth> and my domain expires in 15 days
[04:06] <ajmitch> can't renew it?
[04:08] <Amaranth> no $$$
[04:08] <Amaranth> and no credit card
[04:08] <ajmitch> ah..
[04:08] <ajmitch> not healthy
[04:09] <bddebian> smeg?  Hehe, sounds too much like smegma
[04:10] <Amaranth> that's part of the reason i like it
[04:10] <Amaranth> plus the whole red dwarf thing
[04:10] <Amaranth> and it's 'Simple Menu Editor for GNOME'
[04:11] <Amaranth> the menu entry is 'Smeg Menu Editor', which is sort of like 'Damn Menu Editor' or 'Fucking Menu Editor' :D
[04:11] <ajmitch> which should probably be changed
[04:11] <ajmitch> :)
[04:12] <Amaranth> no one knows what it is
[04:12] <Amaranth> except british people who would think it was funny, i'd bet
[04:13] <bddebian> No smegma is d*ck cheese
[04:13] <ajmitch> which is why I think it should change
[04:13] <|QuaD-> ajmitch: one was on there, and i added the other :)
[04:13] <Amaranth> bddebian: I don't care what smegma is, I'm talking about smeg.
[04:14] <Amaranth> ajmitch: You can patch it if you want, upstream is staying 'Smeg Menu Editor'
[04:14] <Amaranth> Unless you can think of a totally new name.
[07:18] <HostingGeek> I found area 51! anyone intrested?
[07:19] <HostingGeek> ok ok ok I will tell you
[07:19] <HostingGeek> Follow these instructions:
[07:19] <HostingGeek> 1. http://maps.google.com/
[07:19] <HostingGeek> 2. Click on 'Satelite' (top right hand button)
[07:19] <HostingGeek> 3. Search: Rachel, Nevada Tikaboo Peak
[07:19] <HostingGeek> 4. Scroll to the left of the map a bit (left of 'Little a Le Inn') until you find a round white circle (a dried up lake)
[07:19] <HostingGeek> 5. Zoom in just south of the lake - note the landing strips and buildings
[07:19] <HostingGeek> Congratulations, you have just discovered the US' top secret 'Area 51' base. It isn't on the maps, but it is on the freely available satelite images!
[07:19] <ajmitch> don't spam this channel, please
[07:19] <ajmitch> it's rather annoying
[08:17] <dholbach> hi
[08:22] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[08:24] <siretart> moin
[08:25] <siretart> gnarf. there was a typo in the process upload script.. :/  - sorry
[08:25] <dholbach> hey you two
[08:25] <dholbach> so i'll upload again, right?
[08:25] <siretart> look first
[08:25] <dholbach> and how can i add comments?
[08:26] <siretart> I think all your uploads schon now be there
[08:26] <dholbach> ok
[08:28] <siretart> 78 mails from the cronjob :)
[08:28] <dholbach> siretart: it gives me "Sorry, no Commenting for contributors" - any idea for that?
[08:29] <siretart> mom
[08:30] <siretart> dholbach: I forget to put you on reviewer. sorry. now you should be admin
[08:30] <dholbach> super, thanks for that
[08:31] <siretart> admins can delete any comment, reviers only their own comments
[08:32] <siretart> hi \sh
[08:32] <\sh> moins siretart
[08:32] <dholbach> hey stephan
[08:32] <\sh> hey daniel :)
[08:33] <dholbach> siretart: who of you all worked on this?
[08:33] <DanielN_atw> morning
[08:33] <dholbach> hey other-daniel ;)
[08:33] <crimsun> too many Daniels
[08:33] <dholbach> *snigger*
[08:33] <\sh> i need to do my normal office work first, before I start with reviewing :)
[08:34] <siretart> dholbach: sistposty (doing the db stuff like ER schema, and sql querys) and me. tseng updated the style.css yesterday
[08:34] <dholbach> you guys absolutely ROCK
[08:35] <dholbach> this is brilliant
[08:35] <siretart> I'm sure it has some  children's diseases, but I wanted to get a somehow working version online ASAP
[08:35] <dholbach> absolutely
[08:35] <siretart> thanks :)
[08:35] <dholbach> i'll announce it on the motu report
[08:37] <dholbach> now we just need an rss feed for the comments and everybody's fine ;)
[08:38] <dholbach> if nobody of you does it, i'll happily hack on this post-breezy :)
[08:39] <siretart> :)
[08:40] <siretart> rss feeds. hmm. I'm sure in python this is a 3 liner, if you know the right module ;)
[08:41] <dholbach> python2.4-librdf :)
[08:41] <siretart> I know there must be something ;)
[08:47] <dholbach> *ARG* UPSTREAM! SHIPPING! CRACKFUL! debian/! *ARG*
[09:08] <Treenaks> uh.. Review Day.. where's the HOWTO ;)
[09:10] <dholbach> it's pretty straight-forward: 1) have a look at wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU{ToReview,NewPackages}, 2) grab a random package, 3) leave complaints, slander, notes on improvement, comments on the wiki
[09:10] <dholbach> that's it :)
[09:10] <dholbach> oh wait, we're ubuntu, no slander then :)
[09:14] <dholbach> siretart: added a feature request ;)
[09:17] <siretart> dholbach: yes, the "old" tag is already implemented in the db (flag "isArchive"). The button "Archive this" is missing in the "actions" coloumn
[09:18] <siretart> I'll have to add that button and processing. I'll see into it later today. now I need to go to university
[09:19] <dholbach> excellent
[09:19] <dholbach> thank you very much for doing this
[09:19] <dholbach> and have a nice day :)
[09:21] <siretart> bye!
[09:33] <ivoks> siretart: ping
[09:33] <dholbach> ivoks: he ran to university
[09:33] <ivoks> siretart: good python book: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:Python :)
[09:33] <ivoks> oh, ok
[09:37] <DanielN_atw> elmo, ping
[09:41] <ivoks> so, review day!
[09:41] <dholbach> yeah!
[09:42] <ivoks> yay!
[09:42] <ivoks_reviewer> let's start.
[09:43] <dholbach> ROCK ON!
[09:43] <ivoks_reviewer> maybe breakfast first is better idea :)
[09:43] <Amaranth> plus i'm on a 200Mhz Pentium with 64MB RAM, 56k dialup, and Windows ME
[09:44] <Amaranth> so yeah, i don't think i can help
[09:44] <Treenaks> Amaranth: Windows MEH
[09:44] <Amaranth> Treenaks: Yeah, it sucks.
[09:45] <Amaranth> And I'm stuck like this until next monday or even the monday two weeks from now.
[09:57] <dholbach> does the wiki work for you? editing/login-wise?
[10:06] <dholbach> thesaltydog: once you fixed that stuff, i think i can give my ok :)
[10:06] <dholbach> thesaltydog: hi fabio, by the way ;)
[10:06] <thesaltydog> dholbach, I'm working now on it. Thanks!!
[10:14] <dholbach> \sh_reviewtime: if you can still access the wiki, would you be so kind and make a note that NEW NewPackages should go to  http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/index.py ? (and drop a link to [:REVU]  for explanation)
[10:16] <JRe> siretart: congrats for REVU  :)
[10:19] <dholbach> bbl
[10:20] <Amaranth> siretart: Does that thing automatically run lintian and linda or do people upload the logs from those along with the package?
[10:27] <ivoks_reviewer> yeah! revu!
[10:28] <thesaltydog> dholbach, done.
[10:43] <Riddell> review day today?
[10:43] <Amaranth> yep
[10:44] <Lathiat> ajmitch: howd bzflag go?:)
[10:44] <Amaranth> no one ever plays bzflag anymore
[10:44] <Amaranth> just tossing that in there :)
[10:46] <Lathiat> dude
[10:46] <Lathiat> if you dont play bzflag, you suck ;p
[10:46] <Amaranth> Lathiat: X problems prevent my playing
[10:46] <Amaranth> something in mesa changed or something and something in a driver needs to be updated or something
[10:46] <Amaranth> yes, i have no idea
[10:47] <Amaranth> i filed a bug, they told me to use CVS (ha!)
[10:47] <Lathiat> haha
[10:48] <Amaranth> the only good thing about being on a windows machine is playing this
[10:49] <ivoks_reviewer> nvidia?
[10:49] <Amaranth> ati radeon 7000
[10:50] <Amaranth> i remember something about t_vertex, whatever that is
[10:54] <Lathiat> hrm wtf
[10:54] <Lathiat> nvidia drivers are not working
[10:54] <ogra> happy review day everybody
[10:54] <Lathiat> hrm wonder whats broken :\
[10:54] <AwayWolf> Lathiat, running 2.6.12?
[10:55] <Lathiat> AwayWolf: yeh
[10:55] <AwayWolf> Lathiat, restricted-modules didn get rebuild
[10:55] <Lathiat> nah im running the nv drivers
[10:55] <Lathiat> for some reason the GL stuff isnt working
[10:55] <Lathiat> s/nv/oficial nvidia
[10:57] <JanC> official nvidia driver is in restricted-modules
[10:57] <Amaranth> err, don't you need linux-restricted-modules for that?
[10:57] <JanC> so that won't work with a .12 kernel yet...
[10:58] <AwayWolf> Lathiat, drivers are built against the kernel, so if you get a new kernel, you need new drivers, so a new module, or a 2.6.12 enabled compile.
[10:58] <Lathiat> no
[10:58] <Lathiat> like
[10:58] <Lathiat> i downloaded them
[10:58] <Lathiat> and built them against 2.6.12
[10:58] <Lathiat> etc
[10:58] <ogreview> Lathiat, if you ran the nidia driver before, your mesa lib was exchanged, so software rendering is broken
[10:58] <ogreview> Lathiat, thats normal
[10:58] <Lathiat> ogreview: yeh and i just reran the isntaller again and its still happening
[11:03] <ivoks_reviewer> nvidia doesn't work in breezy yet
[11:03] <ivoks_reviewer> nvidia-glx needs to be repacked, wrong dependecys
[11:16] <dholbach> the kubuntu guys had a great idea: they use   package-upstreamversion-0ubuntu0.<package-version-before-upload>
[11:16] <dholbach> that's ingenious - that should be policy
[11:16] <Lathiat> ivoks_reviewer: dude, you dont get it
[11:16] <dholbach> installed packages even get superseded by 0ubuntu1 once it's in the archive
[11:16] <Lathiat> i installed the official package from nvidias site
[11:17] <Lathiat> which has worked fine for a long time.. seems to have stopped now for some reason
[11:19] <ivoks_reviewer> ah...
[11:19] <ivoks_reviewer> sorry :)
[11:19] <\sh_reviewtime> dholbach: u don't need to have a shlibs control file when u r using cdbs :)
[11:19] <ivoks_reviewer> i did thtat too, and sometimes nvidia fails...
[11:19] <dholbach> \sh_reviewtime: it has a lintian override
[11:20] <\sh_reviewtime> dholbach: yes, and it's wrong :)
[11:20] <\sh_reviewtime> dholbach: see my review comments for katapult and kbandwidth :)
[11:20] <dholbach> \sh_reviewtime: that should be used only in EXTREMELY obscure cases
[11:21] <\sh_reviewtime> dholbach: it's a simple fix to get rid of the overrides
[11:21] <dholbach> one should fix the issues, not just the warnings ;)
[11:22] <\sh_reviewtime> DEB_SHLIBDEPS_LIBRARY_kbandwidth := kbandwidth and DEB_SHLIBDEPS_INCLUDE_kbandwidth := debian/kbandwidth/usr/lib
[11:22] <\sh_reviewtime> (cdbs style)
[11:28] <ivoks_reviewer> herzi: ping
[11:29] <ivoks_reviewer> herzi: ?
[11:29] <ivoks_reviewer> :)
[11:29] <ivoks_reviewer> not here...
[11:31] <herzi> ivoks_reviewer: pong
[11:31] <ivoks_reviewer> herzi: i'm checking your hula
[11:32] <ivoks_reviewer> herzi: hula (0.1.0+svn162-2) unstable; urgency=low
[11:32] <ivoks_reviewer> it shouldn't be unstable, but breezy
[11:32] <herzi> svn162?
[11:32] <herzi> i already uploaded svn230
[11:33] <ivoks_reviewer> http://www.blaubeermuffin.de/packages/hula - wiki says that ;)
[11:33] <ivoks_reviewer> then 240?
[11:33] <herzi> ya
[11:33] <ivoks_reviewer> http://www.blaubeermuffin.de/packages/hula/svn240/?
[11:33] <herzi> yes
[11:34] <ivoks_reviewer> i can't find diff.gz
[11:34] <ivoks_reviewer> neither the source
[11:34] <ivoks_reviewer> or, at least, debdiff :)
[11:34] <ivoks_reviewer> debdiff would be fine if the package is allready in breezy
[11:35] <siretart> Amaranth: I installed a hook for lintian/linda. should work now
[11:36] <jsgotangco> hula is in universe?
[11:36] <ogra> jsgotangco, old news :)
[11:37] <ogra> jsgotangco, it in since hoary ;)
[11:37] <ivoks_reviewer> jsgotangco: yep
[11:37] <jsgotangco> wow
[11:37] <jsgotangco> i didnt know that
[11:37] <dholbach> thanks to incredible herzi :)
[11:38] <jsgotangco> someone should package mediawiki then
[11:38] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:38] <ogra> dholbach, who still misses every CC meeting ;)
[11:38] <ogra> herzi, ^^^
[11:39] <herzi> ogra: last monday i needed to be in bed early because i was driving to linuxtag the day after
[11:39] <herzi> (where the gnome-people and the ubuntu-guy gave out more than 1000 ubuntu cds sets)
[11:39] <dholbach> ROCK ON!
[11:39] <ogra> hmm, wasnt the last CC around noon ?
[11:40] <ogra> at least for us german
[11:40] <ogra> people
[11:40] <herzi> it was?
[11:40] <dholbach> wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar knows ;)
[11:40] <ogra> 12:00 or 14:00 iirc
[11:40] <dholbach> at some stage we should start splitting out the libraries of hula, even if it's tedious work
[11:40] <\sh_reviewtime> ogra: not this time :)
[11:40] <herzi> the next one it at midnight, so i might get that one
[11:41] <dholbach> herzi: excellent
[11:41] <ogra> \sh_reviewtime, last time
[11:41] <\sh_reviewtime> last time yes ;)
[11:41] <herzi> dholbach: yeah, i still need to ping the guy who wants to package it for debian, if we're cooperating for both distros it'll be more easier then
[11:41] <Amaranth> herzi: You were the one that had to take them 1000 CDs because the 400 they got were gone the first day?
[11:42] <herzi> we spent 400 in 2 days :D
[11:43] <hsprang> hi!
[11:44] <ogra> hey hsprang
[11:44] <hsprang> am i already too late to prevent you from reviewing th FAI package i made some months ago?
[11:44] <hsprang> hey ogra
[11:44] <ogra> hsprang, not if you upload a new one right away ;)
[11:47] <hsprang> ogra, hmm, i guess there may be some troubles with it that would make reviewing of the old one waste of time.
[11:47] <hsprang> as i di'nt have the review day in mind i am not prepared, but yes,  i could see what i can do to get into it today
[11:49] <hsprang> should i just renmove it from the list for until i have a new one?
[11:49] <dholbach> yeah, that sounds good
[11:56] <hsprang> done. as getting the new package done involves installing a new machine as install server that was lost last week in a disk crash i can't do a promise, but i'll try!
[11:56] <ogra> hsprang, grea :)
[11:56] <ogra> +t
[11:57] <hsprang> ogra, you mean the disk crash? :)
[11:57] <ogra> heh, nope :)
[11:57] <hsprang> ogra, actually, yes, backup was good and now i know to use smarttols...
[11:57] <ogra> :)
[11:58] <dholbach> would somebody attach a note to MOTUNewPackages that the page is considered to be a "transitional object" - provide a link to REVU and the REVU documentation
[12:00] <Amaranth> note to self: when you only have 64MB of ram, don't open 1000 comment slashdot stories in firefox
[12:01] <ogra> Amaranth, if you happen to only have 64MB, use dillo... or better lynx :)
[12:01] <jsgotangco> ever since I've been using Ion, things have been very fast on my side
[12:01] <Amaranth> ogra: Windows
[12:01] <ogra> Amaranth, lnyx for windows :)
[12:01] <Amaranth> don't want to use lynx, i'd rather not use http at all
[12:04] <jsgotangco> how does review day actually work? just review stuff in universe and what needs love?
[12:05] <dholbach> jsgotangco: we're processing MOTUToReview and MOTUNewPackages
[12:05] <dholbach> on the wiki
[12:05] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[12:05] <dholbach> reviewing NEW packages and make sure they're in a rocking state, before we get them in
[12:05] <jsgotangco> candidate packages
[12:06] <dholbach> yeah
[12:12] <jsgotangco> alright, its time for me to retire for the day
[12:12] <jsgotangco> bye everyone
[12:12] <jsgotangco> have fun!
[12:49] <ogra> ivoks_reviewer, you reviewed ion3 ?
[12:54] <ivoks_reviewer> yes
[12:54] <ogra> ivoks_reviewer, did you testbuild it ?
[12:54] <ogra> its ftbfs
[12:55] <ivoks_reviewer> :))
[12:55] <ivoks_reviewer> sorry
[01:00] <ogra> Amaranth, wasnt smeg already approved ? its sill on MOTUToReview
[01:00] <ivoks_reviewer> damn...
[01:00] <ivoks_reviewer> i'm using gcc-3.4 :((
[01:01] <ogra> oh
[01:01] <ogra> ivoks_reviewer, in you pbuilder ??
[01:01] <ogra> your even
[01:01] <ivoks_reviewer> i don't have pbuilder
[01:01] <ogra> ivoks_reviewer, use it :)
[01:01] <ivoks_reviewer> pbudiler means downloading same file couple of times...
[01:01] <ogra> nope
[01:01] <ogra> it caches
[01:03] <ivoks> i should build one :)
[01:03] <ogra> yep
[01:06] <Riddell> ogra: what's broken with ffmpeg?
[01:07] <ogra> Riddell, are you an assembler guy ?
[01:07] <Riddell> ogra: nope
[01:07] <ogra>   error: PIC register '%ebx' clobbered in 'asm'
[01:07] <ogra> tons of that .... on i386
[01:07] <ogra> all other arches build fine
[01:08] <Riddell> ogra: it compiled successfully
[01:08] <Riddell> or does it need rebuilt?
[01:08] <ogra> Riddell, the new debian package ?
[01:09] <ogra> Riddell, the current hoary version segfaults on amd64
[01:09] <Riddell> right, sounds broken then
[01:09] <ogra> yep
[01:10] <ogra> but until this debian package i needed to patch a lot to make it even compile on amd64... at least this is solved with the new version, but i386 still breaks
[01:24] <ajmitch> hi all
[01:24] <ajmitch> what's new?
[01:31] <ivoks> grrrr
[01:31] <ivoks> pbuilder sucks :)
[01:32] <ajmitch> jeff! :)
[01:32] <ajmitch> hi mpt
[01:32] <mpt> hi ajmitch, I have a simple question
[01:32] <mpt> All the games I've installed from universe have no sound
[01:32] <jbailey> andrew!
[01:32] <mpt> Is that the sort of thing MOTU maintainers have the capacity to fix?
[01:32] <mpt> or is it Too Hard?
[01:33] <ajmitch> if we could track it down.. it's possibly the sound server you're using
[01:33] <ajmitch> I stay away frmo sound issues mainly
[01:35] <mpt> ajmitch: not to get all jwz on yo ass, but presumably if I switched from whatever sound server I'm using now to whatever one a given game needs, sound in everything else would stop working, right?
[01:36] <ajmitch> I wouldn't know :)
[01:36] <ajmitch> I don't have any soundserver & everything just works fine
[01:37] <niran> mpt, installing polypaudio as an esd replacement usually fixes sound problems for me
[01:37] <ivoks> i'm bad reviewer :(
[01:37] <niran> mpt, well, it replaces them wth less annoying problems, like not having a gnome startup sound
[01:37] <mpt> heh
[01:38] <mpt> Help, I'm stuck in the 1980s
[01:38] <ivoks> :)
[01:38] <mpt> So, should I report bugs about that for universe packages, or not bother?
[01:38] <ivoks> i don't use soundserver and everything is ok
[01:38] <niran> ivoks, is that with dmix?
[01:39] <ivoks> yes
[01:39] <niran> ah.
[01:39] <ivoks> but dmix isn't that good
[01:39] <ajmitch> mpt: might as well
[01:39] <mpt> ok, ta
[01:39] <ajmitch> better to have an issue that we can close, imho
[01:41] <ivoks> pardon, dmix is ok :)
[01:41] <ivoks> xine wouldn't start anymore :(
[01:43] <ivoks> yay! xine, muine and rhythmbox in same time
[01:46] <ogra> ajmitch, libsigcx should appear soon in the archive (it had NEW binaries)
[01:46] <ogra> ajmitch, in other news we have REVIEW DAY today !! :)
[01:47] <ajmitch> I'm surprised that they didn't check the NEW queue previously :)
[01:47] <ajmitch> and I know, I started reviewing about 12 hours ago ;)
[01:47] <ajmitch> took a look at bzflag, screamed in horror & searched for the nearest blunt instrument
[01:48] <ajmitch> (not due to Lathiat's changes, of course)
[01:49] <ajmitch> :)
[01:49] <ajmitch> you had to pick the ugliest package..
[01:49] <Lathiat> sorry ;p
[01:49] <Lathiat> ahah
[01:49] <Lathiat> i got some time off, i should pet somemore
[01:49] <Lathiat> any recommendations for less ugly packages? ;)
[01:50] <ajmitch> take a look at the list of packages to merge
[01:50] <ajmitch> I should run up a list again for people to check :)
[01:51] <Lathiat> are you saying its  not possible to have an uglier package? ;)
[01:52] <ajmitch> oh no, it's certainly possible
[01:52] <ajmitch> since we are pulling from debian
[01:53] <Lathiat> :)
[01:54] <ajmitch> I should build better python code
[01:54] <ajmitch> this script takes an age to run
[01:55] <Lathiat> heh
[01:55] <Lathiat> ajmitch: dont knwo anything about python-apt by any chance?
[01:55] <sladen> ajmitch: try: import psyco
[01:55] <ajmitch> sladen: yeah, might work
[01:55] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I know a bit
[01:55] <ajmitch> http://ajmitch.dhis.org/debuild/ubuntu/merge-tool/source_list.20050627.2350
[01:56] <Lathiat> Just wondering if I can use it to access a package cache that is not the one on the system
[01:56] <ajmitch> this is a list of source package comparisons
[01:56] <ajmitch> yeah, by setting the apt configuration
[01:56] <ajmitch> I don't think there's another way, you might want to ask mvo when he's around
[01:56] <Lathiat> sweet
[01:56] <ajmitch> but iirc that was what he told me :)
[01:56] <Lathiat> ajmitch: i assume i can do that from within the script tho right?
[01:57] <Lathiat> looks like your tool is doing just that?
[01:57] <Lathiat> ah just parsing package lists
[01:57] <Lathiat> i suppose i could do that instead
[01:57] <ajmitch> what are you trying to create?
[01:58] <ajmitch> I'm just reading in the source lists, running a comparison across every package I see
[01:58] <tseng> hi
[01:58] <Lathiat> an apt-proxy like thing where you approve what updates go into the cache
[01:58] <ivoks> hi tseng
[01:58] <ajmitch> in the most inefficient way possible
[01:58] <ajmitch> hi tseng
[01:58] <Lathiat> SUS style (people were tlaking about it earlier)
[01:58] <ajmitch> tseng: btw this tool will also see what's in breezy but not in debian
[01:59] <tseng> cool
[01:59] <ajmitch> I wrote it awhile back
[01:59] <ajmitch> just got to write something to grab wnpp bugs nicely
[02:03] <ajmitch> I can see we've got our work cut out for us in terms of merges
[02:03] <tseng> python stuff?
[02:03] <ivoks> ok, anyone using pbuilder? :)
[02:03] <ajmitch> tseng: a decent amount, but not all
[02:03] <tseng> python merges should be easy
[02:03] <ajmitch> some we can just ignore
[02:03] <ajmitch> Debian version of xfree86 is newer : 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 vs 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu26
[02:03] <tseng> beat up the debian maintainer until he merges it
[02:03] <ajmitch> they are easy
[02:04] <tseng> hm well
[02:04] <siretart> ok, uploads can now be archived by admins
[02:04] <tseng> we dont care about xfree so much :)
[02:04] <ajmitch> some zope packages for me to deal out some loving to
[02:04] <tseng> whats your url again?
[02:04] <tseng> im at work
[02:05] <tseng> ^ siretart
[02:05] <ivoks> siretart: hi
[02:06] <ivoks> siretart: i can't login to revu :)
[02:06] <ajmitch> siretart.tauware.de/revu
[02:06] <ajmitch> if that's what you mean?
[02:06] <tseng> yes
[02:06] <ajmitch> so many dholbach uploads on revu.. :)
[02:07] <ajmitch> ${python:Depends}, python (>= 2.4)
[02:07] <ajmitch> hmm..
[02:07] <siretart> ivoks: use your complete email address as login
[02:08] <ivoks> siretart: i am..
[02:08] <siretart> ivoks@grad.hr
[02:08] <ivoks> right
[02:08] <ivoks>  login for user "ivoks@grad.hr" failed, please retry
[02:08] <ajmitch> maybe you forgot your password? :)
[02:08] <siretart> hm. rechecking password
[02:09] <ivoks> hm
[02:09] <siretart> have you enabled cookies?
[02:09] <ivoks> maybe i'm typing wrong pass :)
[02:09] <ivoks> sure
[02:09] <ivoks> it's pass that's wrong..
[02:09] <siretart> hehe
[02:09] <ivoks> hm...
[02:09] <siretart> do you remember your pass now?
[02:09] <siretart> ;)
[02:10] <ivoks> well, i think :)
[02:10] <siretart> show in your sent mail folder *g*
[02:10] <ivoks> siretart: it's crypted :)
[02:10] <siretart> well, yes ;)
[02:11] <ivoks> i would need your private key :)
[02:11] <siretart> can you login now?
[02:12] <ajmitch> siretart: when you say admins can archive uploads - you're the only admin? ;)
[02:12] <siretart> no, dholback is too
[02:12] <ajmitch> ah..
[02:13] <ivoks> pbuilder is making me crazy :)
[02:14] <tseng> i wonder how i got 1px off in the th
[02:14] <tseng> compared to the td in the style sheet
[02:14] <tseng> and only on the left side
[02:18] <siretart> ok. i'm off now, have fun!
[02:18] <ajmitch> I think it's about time for me to sleep
[02:18] <ivoks> bye
[02:18] <ajmitch> night all
[02:18] <ivoks> night!
[02:18] <tseng> bye ajmitch, siretart
[02:18] <siretart> n8 ajmitch
[02:23] <ivoks> so, revu is for uploading packages?
[02:23] <tseng> eh
[02:23] <tseng> it will eventually replace the wiki page
[02:24] <tseng> and enhance our workflow in reviewing
[02:24] <ivoks> ok... but we should upload reviwed packages or we should review packages on revu?
[02:30] <ivoks> Lathiat: ping
[02:35] <\sh> the system of reviewing via wiki page is not working properly...if one motu is reviewing, and found some errors, then the errors must be fixed first, before another motu can review again
[02:42] <ivoks> ok
[02:43] <tseng> whois kiko-fud
[02:43] <tseng> blah.
[02:43] <ivoks> do sources have to have .diff.gz?
[02:43] <tseng> ivoks: they dont *have* to to work
[02:43] <tseng> ivoks: but its a very bad thing not to
[02:43] <dholbach> ha... the wiki works again :)
[02:44] <ivoks> bzflag from Lathiat is example of such package
[02:44] <tseng> that would mean you are changing the upstream tarball to include debian/ and such
[02:44] <dholbach> hi you two
[02:44] <tseng> ivoks: this is called a native package
[02:44] <ivoks> hi dholbach
[02:44] <tseng> ivoks: if its that way in debian, its sortof proper to keep it that way
[02:44] <tseng> but its gross
[02:44] <ivoks> all right, thanks tseng
[02:44] <tseng> hi dholbach
[02:45] <ivoks> hm...
[02:46] <ivoks> i could use /var/cache/apt/archives for pbuilder
[02:46] <tseng> you could
[02:46] <tseng> I am using apt-proxy now
[02:46] <tseng> for all my machines and pbuilders
[02:47] <tseng> morn bradb
[02:47] <dholbach> can i assume that   "../libtool: line 2358: 10778 Segmentation fault      ( ${SED} -e '2q' $lib | grep "^# Generated by .*$PACKAGE" ) >/dev/null 2>&1"   is not supposed to happend under any circumstances and the buildd is just wrong? :)
[02:48] <tseng> dholbach: im having a similar problem
[02:48] <dholbach> ppc buildd?
[02:48] <tseng> dholbach: dh_makeclilibs segfaults on x86 buildd
[02:48] <tseng> maybe others ive not looked
[02:48] <dholbach> oh hm
[02:48] <dholbach> well
[02:48] <tseng> only on one package
[02:49] <kiko-fud> tseng, tseng
[02:49] <tseng> i havent managed to summon infinity yet
[02:49] <tseng> welcome to review day, kiko
[02:49] <ogra> haha
[02:49] <bradb> hey tseng
[02:49] <kiko> omg, reviewday
[02:49] <dholbach> yeah kiko, you'll help us with the review day - AWESOME!
[02:49] <ogra> kiko, so show us your work, we'll review it ;)
[02:50] <tseng> ogra: yeah i dont trust his shoddy packages.
[02:50] <ogra> hehe
[02:50] <kiko> next!
[03:00] <dholbach> tseng: infinity and kamion just explained, that random segfaults on powerpc happen from time to time, they hope the ppc64 kernels (some time this week) will clear it up
[03:01] <tseng> hm
[03:01] <tseng> that doesnt say anything for x86
[03:02] <ivoks> re
[03:02] <tseng> hi
[03:02] <ivoks> oho, tseng, long time no see:)
[03:05] <ivoks> bzflag seems to be ok
[03:08] <Lathiat> ivoks: pong
[03:08] <ivoks> Lathiat: hi
[03:08] <ivoks> Lathiat: i just want to ask you did you forget bzflag diff
[03:08] <ivoks> but i see it's native package...
[03:08] <Lathiat> yeh
[03:08] <Lathiat> it is
[03:08] <Lathiat> but thats not my fault
[03:08] <ivoks> i know
[03:08] <Lathiat> ajmitch was looking at it yesterday
[03:09] <ivoks> i wanted to ask you before i checked
[03:09] <ivoks> after i checkes, everything is ok
[03:09] <ivoks> checked
[03:09] <Lathiat> heh ok ;p
[03:10] <ivoks> tseng: ok, now that i checked package, i should upload it to revu?
[03:10] <tseng> hm the idea is to upload it first
[03:10] <tseng> and then comment on it
[03:11] <ivoks> ok :)
[03:11] <tseng> anyway, it doesnt matter this time
[03:11] <tseng> you can use the wiki
[03:11] <ivoks> i did use the wiki
[03:11] <tseng> ok then
[03:11] <tseng> sold
[03:11] <tseng> revu will be easy to keep track of
[03:11] <tseng> but next time
[03:13] <ivoks> Lathiat: W: bzflag-server: manpage-section-mismatch usr/share/man/man6/bzfquery.6.gz:132 6 != 1
[03:13] <ivoks> Lathiat: and README.WIN32?
[03:15] <Lathiat> hrm did i break that or is it broken in the debian package?
[03:16] <Lathiat> i basically touched as little as possible
[03:16] <ivoks> that's in debian
[03:16] <Lathiat> i'll fix that
[03:16] <ivoks> cause it's upstream's README
[03:21] <ivoks> oh, my wifi-radar got bad reviews :)
[03:23] <tseng> networkmanager > *
[03:23] <Treenaks> tseng: oh it works now?
[03:23] <tseng> mostly
[03:24] <Treenaks> tseng: last week it couldn't connect to my (wep-encrypted) network at home
[03:25] <ivoks> i don't like nm depending on bind :(
[03:26] <tseng> ivoks: eh it runs a local caching name server
[03:26] <tseng> im not entirely sure why thats needed
[03:26] <ivoks> why?
[03:27] <ivoks> we should try not to start new services
[03:27] <ivoks> if not really needed
[03:27] <tseng> meh
[03:27] <ivoks> bind for dhclient is really not needed
[03:27] <Treenaks> afaik it uses bind to do lookups, because you can reload bind & have "new working DNS"
[03:27] <Treenaks> but if you edit resolv.conf, you need to restart the apps as well
[03:27] <tseng> < daniels> tseng: i assume because kicking all apps to re-read resolv.conf
[03:27] <tseng>           (*cough*FIREFOX*cough*) is a pain in the arse
[03:27] <tseng> ah
[03:27] <tseng> that makes sense
[03:27] <mgalvin> hi all
[03:28] <ivoks> hm..
[03:28] <ivoks> so, we will end up running DNS on desktop systems :)
[03:28] <Treenaks> ivoks: scarily, yes..
[03:28] <siretart> .oO( reviewing via revu is really more fun than via wiki... :) )
[03:29] <ivoks> even microsoft didn't do that :)
[03:29] <ogra> ivoks, i do...
[03:29] <tseng> well i think IE still fucks up iof you change DNS
[03:29] <ivoks> ogra: ?
[03:29] <ogra> ivoks, having a caching DNS locally is a fine thing.....
[03:30] <Treenaks> ogra: locally: yes. but on 127.0.0.1?
[03:30] <ogra> having bind running as this local dns is overkill
[03:30] <ogra> Treenaks, nope, indeed
[03:30] <ivoks> we should have something else
[03:30] <ivoks> not bind
[03:30] <ivoks> djbdns :)
[03:30] <ogra> i just run pdnsd normally
[03:47] <\sh> siretart: u have it running already?
[03:52] <siretart> \sh: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu
[03:52] <siretart> \sh: uploading should already work, but I have to add uploaders to my keyring and database manually
[03:52] <siretart> \sh: and many checkins since yesterday ;)
[03:57] <\sh> siretart: hmmm....use this as logo: http://www.mattel.de/images/pr/heman.jpg
[03:58] <\sh> siretart: and if u have time this evening lets get it running on the root server :)
[03:58] <\sh> siretart: u rock :)
[04:01] <\sh> siretart: and what do u want to use for autobuilding, sbuild or pbuilder?
[04:02] <ivoks> Lathiat: why? :)
[04:02] <siretart> \sh: LOL at the logo :)
[04:02] <Lathiat> i just have a grudge against djb ;p
[04:02] <siretart> \sh: yes, lets do that later this week
[04:02] <ivoks> it was a joke :)
[04:03] <ivoks> oh, ion3...
[04:03] <siretart> \sh: for autobuilding: I would prefer sbuild, because others recommend it, and thats the software our buildd's are using. The output would be more even more comparable this way
[04:03] <ivoks> that's trivial to fix
[04:03] <siretart> but I never setup a sbuild, though
[04:04] <\sh> siretart: ok...i will try it on my laptop first :)
[04:04] <siretart> great :)
[04:05] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:07] <ivoks> one question
[04:07] <ivoks> if i create file in /etc, in postinst script
[04:07] <ivoks> do i have to add /etc in .dirs?
[04:08] <mgalvin> are package reviews being done yet?
[04:08] <ivoks> all day :)
[04:08] <pef> hello
[04:08] <\sh> siretart: sbuild looks promising...I will do a test setup this evening...lets see ;)
[04:08] <mgalvin> cool, could someone take a look at my cegui package?
[04:09] <mgalvin> and mmsrip?
[04:09] <bddebian> Hello pef
[04:11] <kiko> hey
[04:11] <kiko> I am having a problem with a silly java package
[04:11] <mgalvin> i would like to get it into breezy since its a dep for other packages I am wokring on
[04:11] <kiko> Setting up sun-j2sdk1.5 (1.5.0+update03) ...
[04:11] <kiko> mv: cannot stat `java': No such file or directory
[04:11] <kiko> update-alternatives: unable to rename java to /usr/bin/java: Invalid cross-device link
[04:12] <kiko> I suspect this means that the damned package doesn't assume /var and /usr are on separate devices
[04:12] <kiko> is there a way to do all the unpacking etc a directory under /usr, such as /usr/tmp?
[04:12] <tseng> you cant make a hardlink between devices
[04:13] <tseng> if thats what its trying
[04:13] <ogra> kiko, yep... see man dpkg
[04:13] <pef> I have corrected the errors in my package in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages, it's klibido, someone can check it ? thank you
[04:13] <tritium> Hello all.
[04:13] <kiko> tseng, seems to be doing that, stupid package.
[04:13] <ogra> kiko, but note that we have blackdowns java in multiverse soon
[04:14] <tseng> blah andyfitz left
[04:14] <ivoks> i'll kill dholcbach :)
[04:14] <kiko> ogra, man dpkg == no love
[04:14] <siretart> ogra: blackdown in multiverse? they don't share the braindead distribution terms of sun?
[04:14] <siretart> that would be great news!
[04:15] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[04:15] <kiko> they do afaik
[04:15] <tritium> bddebian, how are you?  :)
[04:15] <ogra> kiko, dpkg --unpack package_file ...
[04:15] <bddebian> tritium: Useless, how about you?
[04:15] <\sh> pef: u talked to the maintainer guy from klibido?
[04:15] <tritium> bddebian, no change here.
[04:16] <pef> \sh, yes, and I took his package for reference
[04:18] <ivoks> help! help! :)
[04:18] <\sh> pef: and why don't u use it directly, if it's coming from upstream=
[04:18] <ivoks> if I create file via potinst script, then it will not be removed on purge
[04:18] <ivoks> how to fix that?
[04:18] <Riddell> \sh: anything I need to do, anyone needing poked for review stuff?
[04:20] <kiko> ogra, wtf does that unpackage to? :)
[04:20] <pef> \sh, because it doesn't install correctly without compiling the package from source http://klibido.sourceforge.net/ "Ubuntu Linux: The Debian package doesn't work on Ubuntu. However, after adding the deb-src to sources.list, it can easily be rebuilded on Ubuntu"
[04:20] <ogra> kiko, unpacking ?
[04:20] <ogra> kiko, *g*
[04:21] <ogra> kiko, anywhere in /var/lib/dpkg i think
[04:21] <ivoks> ogra: could you help me out a bit?
[04:23] <\sh> pef: use the source package...(diff.gz,.dsc, orig.tar.gz) and rebuild it with the correct build-deps
[04:23] <\sh> pef: cause if your package goes into ubuntu universe, u have to file an ITP with debian, and if there is already one, we have a syncing problem
[04:24] <\sh> Riddell: ?? :)
[04:25] <kiko> ogra, nope
[04:26] <\sh> think I will go home..and work further from home :(
[04:26] <\sh> bbl
[04:26] <ogra> ivoks, sorry, phone....
[04:26] <ivoks> ogra: ok.. will wait :)
[04:29] <pef> klibido will be soon in the official debian repository, and I have already built an ubuntu package for it (from the official debian package), where should I put it for review ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages is inadequate no ?
[04:32] <tritium> JRe, ping
[04:32] <JRe> tritium: pong
[04:32] <tritium> JRe, I just noticed that you've packaged krecipes, and intend to contact me regarding merging our packages.
[04:33] <JRe> tritium: right
[04:33] <tritium> JRe, you're welcome to take it from me outright, if you like.
[04:34] <ivoks> mgalvin: ping
[04:34] <JRe> tritium: you were forst packaging this so take a look at my package and if there is something youf dinf good, feel free to take it ;)
[04:35] <pef_aw> JRe, hi ;)
[04:35] <tritium> JRe, that's kind of you to offer, but if you want to maintain it, I think that's fantastic.
[04:35] <JRe> hi pef_aw
[04:35] <mgalvin> ivoks, pong
[04:35] <ivoks> mgalvin: i get 404 for your sources
[04:35] <mgalvin> er, i just moved them, one sec...
[04:36] <tritium> JRe, if you like, I'll take a look at your changes.  I take it from your comment that you split out the libraries into a separate package?
[04:36] <ivoks> i found them
[04:36] <ivoks> 404 again :)
[04:37] <ivoks> ok... working
[04:37] <mgalvin> ok try now at http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/ubuntu/packages/source/
[04:37] <mgalvin> ok
[04:38] <ivoks> not good
[04:39] <ivoks> cegui-mk2 (0.2.1-1) unstable; urgency=low
[04:39] <ivoks> should be 0.2.1-0ubuntu1 breezy
[04:40] <ivoks> fix that, ok mgalvin?
[04:40] <mgalvin> ok, that one, i was trying to get into debian and the maintainer has the updated package I made but hasn't uploaded it yet
[04:41] <mgalvin> i will make that change so that we don't have to wait on him for now
[04:41] <ivoks> that't reminds me...
[04:41] <ivoks> do we check for RFP reports on packages?
[04:42] <ivoks> E: Couldn't find package libxerces26-dev
[04:42] <ivoks> hm...
[04:42] <ivoks> oh, universe...
[04:42] <tritium> JRe, I like what you've done.  Those changes were needed.  Since you're more focused on kubuntu, I'd like to let you have krecipes.
[04:43] <JRe> tritium: okay if you prefer it this way ;)
[04:44] <tritium> JRe, it's beneficial for both of us, and you've taken the next step, so go for it.
[04:44] <JRe> tritium: okay :)
[04:45] <ivoks> finally!!!!!
[04:45] <ivoks> my CoC is approved
[04:45] <ivoks> :)
[04:45] <tritium> JRe, thanks for doing that :)
[04:45] <ivoks> don't get any wrong ideas :)
[04:45] <tritium> heh
[04:46] <JRe> tritium: bah the program rock, end user should appreciate it (like my girlfriend...) ;)
[04:47] <koke_> hi MOTUs!
[04:47] <tritium> JRe, good.  I'm glad it'll work out :)
[04:47] <koke_> exams over! :)
[04:47] <tritium> congratulations, koke_ :)
[04:47] <ivoks> hi koke_
[04:48] <ivoks> koke_: good job!
[04:48] <koke_> and only 3 days more of work :)
[04:48] <koke_> summer is here
[04:48] <koke_> I've been victim of SoC gossip :)
[04:49] <koke_> everybody thought I was accepted into Google SoC
[04:53] <ivoks> :)
[04:53] <ivoks> you aren't?!
[04:53] <ivoks> :>
[04:54] <koke_> nope :( but I'll do FindingPackages anyway :)
[04:54] <ivoks> that would be great
[04:55] <koke_> so... I've heard it's review day... what is left to be done
[04:55] <koke_> I need to recover my skills after so much study :)
[04:56] <ivoks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages
[04:56] <ivoks> take a pick :)
[04:56] <ivoks> or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToReview
[05:01] <mgalvin> ivoks, i made those cegui changes and the new package is up on my site
[05:02] <mgalvin> i also updated the links on the wiki
[05:03] <ivoks> ok
[05:03] <ivoks> i'm building the old one
[05:03] <ivoks> looks good
[05:06] <tritium> JRe, okay, I removed krecipes from my list.  :)
[05:06] <tritium> (on MOTUNewPackages)
[05:06] <JRe> tritium: okay i'll work on this package for now!
[05:06] <JRe> tritium: i'l look if there is a new upstream version first :)
[05:06] <tritium> JRe, excellent.  Thanks again.
[05:08] <ivoks> mgalvin:  libcegui-mk2-0: description-synopsis-starts-with-a-capital-letter
[05:08] <ivoks> mgalvin: but that's debian problem...
[05:08] <mgalvin> ok, i'm on it
[05:09] <tritium> ogra, has Willis been around lately?
[05:09] <ivoks> mgalvin: sorry, should've told you all mistakes in same time...
[05:09] <ogra> tritium, i havent seen him
[05:10] <tseng> Lathiat: huh.. ever used dovecot with krb5
[05:10] <ogra> ivoks, so how can i help you ?
[05:10] <ivoks> ogra: um... ah, yes!
[05:10] <tritium> ogra, okay, thanks.  He expressed some interest in gourmet.  Perhaps I should consider letting him package it, given my present work load.
[05:10] <ivoks> ogra: if i create file via postinst script
[05:11] <ivoks> ogra: it doesn't get removed on --purge
[05:11] <ivoks> ogra: how to fix that?
[05:11] <ogra> ivoks, with a post/prerm script ?
[05:12] <ivoks> ogra: right, but that will remove it on dpkg --remove to?
[05:12] <ogra> it should, yes
[05:12] <ivoks> hm... is that a problem? it's a configuration file for wifi-radar
[05:13] <ivoks> and, if i create file via postinst script, do I need to add etc in debian/dirs?
[05:14] <ogra> it should work without that...
[05:14] <ivoks> ok
[05:15] <ivoks> mgalvin: i will give it OK but change that few things, ok?
[05:17] <mgalvin> ivoks, ok, i made the changes already and am building the new package, it will be up on my site soon, thnx
[05:19] <ivoks> np
[05:29] <mgalvin> ivoks, just so you know, the new cegui is up on my site
[05:29] <\sh> hmmm...i need some ubuntu hoary cds for friday
[05:30] <ivoks> ok
[05:30] <ivoks> what's on friday?
[05:30] <\sh> php usergroup meeting in cologne
[05:30] <ivoks> uh, time for break..
[05:31] <ivoks> and a shower :)
[05:31] <\sh> and strange that the cds for patrick arrived 2 weeks ago and my cds not *grmpf*
[05:33] <ivoks> \sh: i got reply from mako, finally :)
[05:34] <ivoks> time to go...
[05:34] <ivoks> see you
[05:41] <\sh> harharl...octave2.1 is going through..nice I can work again
[05:42] <tritium> \sh, that's good news
[05:43] <\sh> tritium: at least my cxx stuff on my todo can be finished :)
[05:43] <tritium> :)
[05:43] <Lathiat> tseng: no (wrt krb5)
[05:58] <siretart> \sh: sistpoty has written a decent readme, check svn. this should be enough information to setup postgres and co
[05:59] <\sh> siretart: k
[06:01] <mgalvin> siretart, ping
[06:07] <tritium> see you later
[06:14] <siretart> mgalvin: pong
[06:15] <mgalvin> siretart, hi, the cegui maintainer is not going to upload cegui to debian for now so I have prepared it to be uploaded directly to breezy...
[06:16] <mgalvin> ivoks OK'd it and i wondered if you could take a look at it, i would like to get it into breezy since its a dep for ogre
[06:17] <siretart> mgalvin: I'm currently at work, will review it if I get home (few hours)
[06:18] <mgalvin> siretart, ok, no rush, i just wanted you to know its ready, thnx
[06:22] <ivoks> Yes, I had similar problems and I gave up. I installed wifi-radar which
[06:22] <ivoks> does the job beautifully.
[06:22] <ivoks> oh, how nice is to hear this from users :)
[06:25] <uniq> anyone up for reviewing a new version of my ipodslave package? - http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/ipodslave/
[06:30] <ivoks> kswap.h?
[06:30] <uniq> yes, it's needed because it's no longer used in kde.
[06:30] <uniq> i've notified the author of ipodslave. but for now i must include it.
[06:31] <ivoks> hm...
[06:31] <ivoks> someone with more expirience whould review this...
[07:24] <JDahl> I've noticed the Ubuntu bounty about Python scripting across Gnome applications - did anyone ever pick up the ball on that? I've recently become quite interested in Python scripting for Gnumeric, but their interface is very rudimentary.
[07:41] <t_> hi
[07:41] <bddebian> Hello t_
[07:42] <t_> hi
[07:42] <t_> sorry to be a noon but what is motu?
[07:42] <bddebian> Master Of The Universe
[07:42] <t_> master of the univers i get it!
[07:42] <t_> doh!
[07:42] <t_> just being nosey really
[07:43] <t_> easiest linux idtro ever BTW
[07:43] <RzR> hi
[07:44] <t_> hi
[07:44] <RzR> i have a package ready , debian pple do not want :)
[07:44] <t_> sounds dubios
[07:45] <RzR> the package is very simple see http://rzr.online.fr/q/Proxy
[07:46] <t_> not on this link...
[07:50] <DanielN> mh
[07:50] <DanielN> i don't get fixed it
[07:50] <DanielN> dammit :/
[07:53] <DanielN> invalid use of void expression
[07:54] <t_> I shuld have RTFM - sorry guys! Bye.
[07:55] <DanielN> why?
[07:55] <DanielN> what's the problem?
[08:07] <mitsuhiko> hey guys, does anyone know who I can ask something about the ubuntu hardware database?
[08:08] <tseng> mitsuhiko: ogra
[08:08] <dholbach> re
[08:08] <tseng> hi
[08:08] <ogra> mitsuhiko, me
[08:08] <bddebian> wb dholbach
[08:08] <ogra> mitsuhiko, but why do you ask in -motu ?
[08:08] <mgalvin> hi dholbach
[08:08] <dholbach> how's the review party going?
[08:10] <dholbach> siretart: thanks for the reviews - i'll have a look at them
[08:10] <mitsuhiko> wb
[08:11] <mgalvin> how can a specify that a package is only for i386? nvidia-cg-toolkit x86 version
[08:11] <dholbach> in the Architecture: field
[08:13] <mgalvin> if the package is only for i386, should i also make the -doc only for i386?
[08:15] <siretart> hi folks!
[08:15] <dholbach> mgalvin: good question
[08:15] <mgalvin> hi siretart
[08:15] <dholbach> mgalvin: maybe not
[08:15] <\sh> i would say all, cause it's independent
[08:16] <\sh> *yawn* re guys..this sleep was good :)
[08:16] <siretart> wb \sh :)
[08:16] <siretart> dinner, too ;)
[08:16] <dholbach> siretart: you're on the news, erm i mean http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages ;)
[08:16] <mgalvin> i left it as all for now, but it just seems incorrect to be able to install docs on an arch where the package itself cannot be used
[08:17] <dholbach> siretart: will uploads of fixed packages open a "new thread"?
[08:17] <siretart> dholbach: wooot! :)
[08:18] <siretart> dholbach: I have planned a flag in the db schema to differentiate between NEW and updated packages, but I haven't written the cronjob checking that yet
[08:18] <dholbach> siretart: maybe you could link to the MOTUNewPackagesPolicy and PackagingTips/ReviewingTips at REVU
[08:18] <dholbach> siretart: so it'll be a new one?
[08:18] <siretart> dholbach: good, Idea will add links in a second
[08:19] <dholbach> take your time :)
[08:19] <tseng> dholbach: no, he is too fast
[08:19] <siretart> dholbach: I planned that a cronjob would check the package index from the archive and check if the package is already there
[08:19] <\sh> dos anybody know a good start for sbuild?
[08:19] <lamont__> \sh: define "start"
[08:19] <\sh> start == howto?
[08:19] <siretart> \sh: http://people.debian.org/~aba/buildd/cheat.html is recommended often
[08:19] <dholbach> i'll be cooking and then do another 2-3 hours of review action :)
[08:20] <siretart> dholbach: have fun :)
[08:20] <dholbach> siretart: we need color indicators of how many "advocates" there are for a package ;)
[08:20] <tseng> we do.
[08:20] <dholbach> . o O { poor siretart }
[08:21] <siretart> dholbach: excactly what I had in mind: NEW Packages get another color, and with 3 advocates again another one
[08:21] <\sh> siretart: thx
[08:21] <dholbach> siretart: with 1 2 3 :)
[08:21] <dholbach> siretart: so we see what we can concentrate on, to get it in fast ;)
[08:21] <siretart> ppl who want to speed up development are always welcome to contribute some code ;)
[08:22] <dholbach> right
[08:22] <dholbach> ;)
[08:24] <\sh> siretart: should we create also wanna-build and buildd stuff?
[08:24] <\sh> well, actually i will setup a buildd now, and then let's see if we can have fun
[08:25] <siretart> \sh: thats the part I didn't really understand completly, but as far as I understood it, we would only need wanna-build and buildd if we would want to build packages on other host, maybe on different architectures
[08:25] <siretart> \sh: sbuild seems to be the part how is started by buildd to do the actual building
[08:25] <siretart> s/how/that/
[08:27] <dholbach> shall we add the    package-upstreamversion-0ubuntu0.<package-before-upload-to-ubuntu-revision>   pattern to our policy?
[08:27] <\sh> siretart: hmmm...so only sbuild then, no wanna-build cause it will send requests to the buildd
[08:27] <siretart> \sh: I think so. yes
[08:27] <siretart> dholbach: what problem do you want to solve with that policy?
[08:27] <lamont__> sbuild builds packages, buildd drives packages based on what is out-of-date in the archive
[08:28] <\sh> lamont__: well, we need only sbuild
[08:28] <lamont__> \sh: right
[08:28] <\sh> so i setup sbuild now, and testit....the trick behind it, it's the source repository, right?
[08:28] <siretart> dholbach: I've seen your reply. will add -i flag to lintian call
[08:28] <dholbach> siretart: you can more easily see if somebody fixed something in the meantime and a potential 0ubuntu1 (once it's uploaded) even overrides the package you may have installed locally
[08:29] <lamont__> debootstrap --variant=buildd breezy chroot-breezy ...; create the right magic in /var/debbuild both in and out of the chroot; mount /proc and /dev/pts in the chroot
[08:29] <dholbach> siretart: the kubuntu guys came up with it and i like it
[08:29] <lamont__> that's about all there is to it
[08:29] <lamont__> oh, and create the user in the chroot, and make sure that fakeroot got installed
[08:29] <siretart> sounds easy.. on my list :)
[08:30] <lamont__> \sh: as long as the chroot's sources.list point to a source repository, you can build that way, you can also sbuild -dbreezy foo_1.1.dsc
[08:31] <\sh> lamont__: thx :)
[08:31] <siretart> dholbach: sounds not bad. I'm not sure how often we will have that problem, but it doesn't seem to hurt is anyway
[08:32] <dholbach> i'm going to upload - what? - 4 packages ;)
[08:32] <dholbach> 4 new :)
[08:32] <lamont__> install -d -m0775 -o${U} $root $root/home/${U} ${root}/build/${U} \
[08:32] <lamont__>             ${root}/var/debbuild ${root}/var/debbuild/srcdep-lock
[08:32] <lamont__> for correct values of U and root
[08:33] <\sh> hmm....
[08:33] <siretart> >> sudo mount --bind /proc /tmp/proc
[08:34] <siretart> mount: permission denied
[08:34] <siretart> thats the problem I cannot do it here
[08:34] <\sh> lamont__: debootstrap --variant=buildd breezy chroots/breezy/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/archive ==> no breezy.buildd
[08:35] <lamont__> \sh: which debootstrap are you running?
[08:35] <\sh> argl...it's on hoary ;)
[08:35] <\sh> damn
[08:35] <lamont__> yeah - you need to install the one from breezy
[08:35] <tseng> ive been bootstrapping hoary and dist-upgrading the chroot
[08:36] <\sh> lamont: not possible, run-deps are not fitting...
[08:36] <tseng> rather than screw around with pulling back glibc
[08:36] <jbailey> tseng: Downgrades from breezy glibc to hoary glibc are a bit finicky.
[08:37] <tseng> jbailey: yeah which is a good reason to avoid it
[08:37] <lamont__> \sh: then download it, unpack it, and copy foo/usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/breezy* into the real place
[08:38] <\sh> lamont: only the breezy* from /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/?
[08:38] <lamont__> because there aren't any real changes other than adding the script
[08:38] <lamont__> the others should be identical
[08:38] <\sh> breezy.buildd is not in this dir...anyways
[08:39] <lamont__> from breezy?
[08:39] <\sh> yepp
[08:39] <bddebian> What do you folks use for maintainer and such, do you just leave it blank?
[08:40] <\sh> 0.3.1.3ubuntu1
[08:40] <tseng> we havent figured out a good process for the maintainer field yet
[08:40] <tseng> in most cases we make tiny changes that dont really make sense to change the maintainer
[08:41] <tseng> but that still wrongly indicates bugs belong to debian
[08:41] <bddebian> tseng: This is not from Debian
[08:41] <dholbach> that's what the Bugs: field is for
[08:41] <tseng> well then the maintainer is the person who made the package
[08:42] <bddebian> Good, I'll put tritium then. :-)
[08:42] <lamont__> I don't change the control file
[08:45] <mgalvin> i put my nvidia-cg-toolkit package up on MOTUNewPackages for review, there are some lintian errors, but i don't think these are fixable since it a prebuilt binary
[08:46] <lamont__> mgalvin: iz restricted?
[08:46] <mgalvin> i haven't built this type of package before, so any advice is more than welcome
[08:46] <\sh> ok will go via hoary to breezy
[08:46] <mgalvin> lamont__, yes
[08:47] <ogra> dholbach, i think your breezy goal needs to switch to green now ;)
[08:47] <dholbach> sorry for the noise
[08:48] <ogra> dholbach, so JaneW will give you a gold star :)
[08:48] <dholbach> ogra: it's not just MY goal, but siretart achieved QUITE A LOT with this
[08:48] <dholbach> ogra: measuring the gold-star-ness of ExpandingUniverse isn't very easy ;)
[08:48] <ogra> dholbach, doesnt matter, mention his part in the comments
[08:49] <dholbach> we should something for UniverseCandidates and MOTUToReview as well
[08:49] <dholbach> that'd be sweet
[08:49] <bddebian> You should write step-by-step how-to's for morons like me too!! ;-)
[08:49] <ogra> dholbach, but revu fullfillst te spec ;) so you can switch to the light green state.... if the tool is used day to day and apt-get.org is in switch to dark green (e.g. finished)
[08:49] <dholbach> i already thought about it: a good way of measuring, how much people like a special app might be counting unique WikiNames of personal pages
[08:50] <\sh> siretart: u have mail :)
[08:50] <ogra> bddebian, thats tsengs/ajmitchs goal ;)
[08:50] <dholbach> ogra: i'm a bist hesitant: you forget UniverseCandidates and gnomefiles.org/kdelook.org or whatever :)
[08:51] <siretart> \sh: just a moment ;)
[08:51] <ogra> dholbach, but then you wil never achive the goal, you need to set milestones
[08:51] <\sh> siretart: u r the rocker of the month :)
[08:51] <bddebian> ogra: Bah, but they already hate me. :-)
[08:51] <ogra> bddebian, thats ok ;)#
[08:51] <dholbach> ogra: i don't mind blue/green/yellow in this special case ;)
[08:51] <ogra> dholbach, but canonical (JaneW especially) des
[08:51] <ogra> does
[08:52] <mgalvin> lamont__, its a dep of ogre3d which is used by many games
[08:52] <dholbach> ogra: let me think about it
[08:52] <ogra> dholbach, and siretart deserves to be put onto the goals page for that ;)
[08:52] <ogra> as well a \sh
[08:52] <ogra> as
[08:53] <ogra> dholbach, you might also rip me off as second and put these two in ;)
[08:53] <\sh> ogra: whatever it is...ask me first :)
[08:53] <ogra> \sh, fame
[08:53] <\sh> ogra: ah go away with fame :)
[08:53] <ogra> heh
[08:54] <dholbach> siretart: ^^
[08:54] <siretart> :)
[08:54] <\sh> ogra: I'm not a monkey ;)
[08:55] <ogra> \sh, siretart, you both deserver a lot of fame for that :)
[08:55] <ogra> -r
[08:57] <\sh> siretart: what should be the name of our sbuild?
[08:57] <\sh> peggy, march, bud, steve, marcy, al ?
[08:57] <siretart> \sh: done
[08:57] <\sh> i'm up for marcy, the chicken ;)
[08:57] <siretart> \sh: elma, of course
[08:58] <dholbach> \sh: ouch :)
[08:58] <siretart> ;)
[08:58] <\sh> elma?
[08:58] <\sh> ok elma :)
[08:58] <siretart> \sh: ogras suggestion: elmo automated :)
[08:58] <\sh> hahahahha
[08:58] <\sh> *howl*
[09:00] <dholbach> dinner
[09:01] <ogra> yay
[09:01] <\sh> hanging the user information for elma
[09:01] <\sh> Enter the new value, or press ENTER for the default
[09:01] <\sh>         Full Name: Elmo Automated
[09:01] <\sh> elma is setup :) congrats elmo :)
[09:02] <ogra> hihi
[09:02] <\sh> now i need a picture of elmo in a short skirt for the mails ;)
[09:03] <dholbach> oh man... poor elmo
[09:03] <\sh> s/poor/famous/
[09:03] <ogra> GUYS !!!
 sabdfl, http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ do you tink we could have a vserver for that ?
 its python :)
 ogra: yes, with pleasure
[09:04] <siretart> great :)
[09:04] <dholbach> woohoo! :)
[09:04] <\sh> ogra: we need to setup a sbuild for that...
[09:04] <siretart> ogra: what kind of vserver is that?
[09:04] <siretart> ogra: vmware? linux vserver?
[09:04] <ogra> siretart, no idea yet, but they are located in the canonical DC
[09:04] <ogra> linux vserver
[09:04] <ogra> so we have plenty of bandwith
[09:05] <siretart> ogra: thats the same problem as with tauware: linux vserver cannot run sbuild's :(
[09:05] <ogra> hmm a pbuilder instead ?
[09:05] <siretart> ogra: same problem: without the capability CAP_ADMIN, I cannot bind mount /proc and /dev/pts in the chroot
[09:05] <\sh> no...sbuilder
[09:05] <ogra> i would suggest you just go on like planned for now, and we put it on the TB agnda for detailed discussion
[09:06] <siretart> and I don't think you would want to provide us with CAP_ADMIN
[09:06] <siretart> that'll be best
[09:07] <ogra> siretart, doesnt CAP_ADMIN work in a chroot ?
[09:07] <siretart> ogra: it does, but with CAP_ADMIN, but that's quite insecure
[09:08] <siretart> i'm no expert with linux vserver, but I think with CAP_ADMIN its possible to break out of the vserver.
[09:08] <ogra> hmmk
[09:09] <siretart> better let's ask if its possible to run sbuild in the vserver and decide then
[09:09] <ogra> lets see what TB says then
[09:09] <siretart> jep
[09:10] <\sh> lamont__: in the /var/lib/sbuild/source-depencies-stable what should I put there?
[09:10] <lamont__> \sh: empty file
[09:11] <lamont__> since that matches what the buildd will have.
[09:11] <lamont__> that file is used to provide a list of build-deps for packages that may or may not have them listed.
[09:11] <lamont__> ubuntu doesn't use it at all - you must have good build-deps
[09:12] <\sh> ah
[09:14] <dholbach> brb
[09:16] <ogra> gah
[09:16] <ogra> In /etc/fstab add a line like this as root user (in Ubuntu after
[09:16] <ogra> installing root account has NO password so just type: su <ENTER> and
[09:16] <ogra> voila, you're root as ANY user)
[09:17] <bddebian> w00t
[09:17] <ogra> idi$%
[09:17] <\sh> woot?
[09:22] <bddebian> w00t == like yahoo or yeah haw, etc
[09:23] <\sh> na thats clear
[09:24] <\sh> ogra: do u have hoary cds at home?
[09:24] <\sh> at least 20-30?
[09:24] <ogra> \sh, 2
[09:24] <\sh> haha...
[09:24] <ogra> i386 only
[09:24] <\sh> crap..i need some for friday
[09:24] <\sh> and my delivery is not there...
[09:26] <\sh> and if I have luck, my gpg will be much more strong then now ;)
[09:26] <ogra> :)
[09:26] <\sh> ogra: php ug meeting...and there r some devs of php around :)
[09:27] <\sh> and some guys from o'reilly
[09:27] <ogra> nice
[09:28] <\sh> yepp..sebastian bergmann (php5 dev and book author) invited me and his next book will be released by o'reilly ;)
[09:31] <\sh> now it goes...lets try sbuild
[09:37] <siretart> ok, revu should now have its worst children diseases fixed. now some reviewing and then for the feature requests ;)
[09:40] <\sh> siretart: can't login
[09:41] <\sh> and again
[09:41] <\sh> damn
[09:42] <siretart> rechecking
[09:42] <siretart> \sh: use username 'sh@linux-server.org' and the password you provided in the email
[09:43] <\sh> ah
[09:44] <\sh> elma@server3:~$ sudo rm -Rvf chroot-breezy/
[09:44] <\sh> rm: cannot remove directory `chroot-breezy//dev': Device or resource busy
[09:44] <\sh> rm: cannot remove directory `chroot-breezy//tmp/dir.MSZFoh': Device or resource busy
[09:44] <\sh> damn
[09:44] <Nafallo> umount ;-)
[09:46] <\sh> sudo umount chroot-breezy/dev : umount: dev/: device is busy
[09:47] <ogra> \sh, umount -l
[09:47] <\sh> thx
[09:48] <\sh> -l dangling ;)
[09:57] <dholbach> siretart: what was your complaint on marlin exactly? that i forgot the year of the copyright? like 2002-2004?
[09:59] <siretart> dholbach: yepp, the year. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/12/msg00007.html has a good template
[09:59] <bddebian> Isn't it wrong that gourmet says it is GPL but doesn't have a copy of the GPL license?  At least not that I can see
[09:59] <dholbach> siretart: ylright
[10:00] <\sh> something i'm doing wrong
[10:00] <\sh> crap, what is it
[10:02] <dholbach> unfortunately new uploads break REVU slightly
[10:03] <dholbach> especially if we should take the "new version policy" into account
[10:03] <ogra> bddebian, ask upstream to add a copy
[10:04] <\sh> lamont__: Can't create lock file chroot-breezy//var/lib/sbuild/srcdep-lock/install.lock: No such file or directory <- normal for the first run, or should i install sbuild inside the chroot?
[10:05] <lamont__> you need to create those directories in the chroot, owned by the user that's running sbuild
[10:05] <siretart> dholbach: err, huh?
[10:06] <\sh> lamont__: k thx
[10:06] <dholbach> siretart: if you have at the index page
[10:06] <dholbach> siretart: you'll see two clamtk entries :)
[10:06] <dholbach> siretart: sorry, that's what i meant
[10:06] <dholbach> siretart: and i'm sure if i upload *-0ubuntu0.2, i'll get another entry
[10:06] <siretart> dholbach: no, thats intended. because they are 2 different uploads
[10:07] <dholbach> siretart: don't you think it'll clutter the site all up?
[10:07] <dholbach> siretart: but i can see what you mean
[10:07] <siretart> dholbach: I see your point, but I also want do be able to look at older uploads
[10:08] <siretart> dholbach: so older uploads should be archived immediatly
[10:08] <dholbach> siretart: so we always have to upload a package we built with -S -sa
[10:08] <siretart> dholbach: for the time being, yes. Until someone figuers out how to fetch the orig tarball from the archive
[10:09] <dholbach> ok
[10:09] <dholbach> siretart: "...you might find the packages..." -> "...you might find the pages..." :)
[10:09] <dholbach> siretart: but now i'll stop complaining ;)
[10:09] <siretart> gnarf. thanks
[10:09] <siretart> nono, please go on :)
[10:11] <siretart> dholbach: I already have implemented a nuke facility but disabled the link to nuke off old downloads
[10:11] <\sh> a jetzt ja eine insel
[10:11] <dholbach> oh, ROCK
[10:11] <\sh> bc_1.06-17 is building ;)
[10:12] <siretart> \sh: w00t! :)
[10:12] <\sh> ah another error
[10:12] <\sh> Can't open average time db /var/lib/sbuild/avg-build-times
[10:12] <\sh> Can't open average space db /var/lib/sbuild/avg-build-space
[10:12] <siretart> perhaps touching them helps?
[10:13] <sistpoty> hi together
[10:13] <\sh> lets see
[10:13] <sistpoty> r u just fiddling with revu?
[10:13] <siretart> sistpoty: huhu. yes, some kind of "finetuning", see svn log
[10:13] <siretart> ;)
[10:13] <sistpoty> g
[10:14] <dholbach> hey sistpoty
[10:14] <dholbach> you guys ROCK!
[10:14] <sistpoty> thanks
[10:14] <dholbach> sistpoty: you're from nrnberg as well?
[10:14] <sistpoty> siretart: I'm just trying to get the css w3c-validated... can i update on tauware?
[10:14] <\sh> siretart: no
[10:15] <sistpoty> dholbach: yes, (actually from fuerth)
[10:15] <dholbach> ah cool
[10:15] <dholbach> if i should be there, i'll ping both of you for keysigning and beerdrinking ;)
[10:15] <sistpoty> :)
[10:16] <siretart> sistpoty: just commit, ill update
[10:16] <sistpoty> k
[10:16] <sistpoty> commited
[10:16] <siretart> updated
[10:17] <siretart> sistpoty: i'm implementing the nuking now, dholbach is right, the page will fill up too quickly
[10:17] <sistpoty> kk
[10:18] <sistpoty> siretart: could you update again?
[10:18] <dholbach> the problem is that comments/advocates will be lost, right?
[10:19] <sistpoty> yes
[10:19] <siretart> dholbach: the comments/advocates count for the upload
[10:19] <dholbach> hrmbl
[10:19] <dholbach> this will force people to have a look at it again and again
[10:19] <\sh> mmm
[10:20] <siretart> dholbach: see, what happens if packages actually gets uploaded in the archive? do you really want all old comments months ago to reappear?
[10:20] <dholbach> no, absolutely not, if it's uploaded to ubuntu
[10:21] <siretart> dholbach: what if the package gets uploaded, and later someone else prepares another upload. the comments from the old upload are most probably not valid anymore
[10:21] <dholbach> hrm
[10:21] <siretart> yeah. thats the reason why commenting/advocating is so upload-centric
[10:21] <\sh> no..can't get it
[10:21] <\sh> lamont__: need another hint ;)
[10:22] <dholbach> siretart: if a package gets uploaded you can nuke everything related to that package
[10:22] <lamont__> \sh: sup?
[10:22] <\sh> Can't open average time db /var/lib/sbuild/avg-build-times
[10:22] <\sh> Can't open average space db /var/lib/sbuild/avg-build-space
[10:23] <siretart> dholbach: I have a script (nuke_upload) ready whys deletes all comments and the upload tuple itself from the database. deleting the files on the filesystem must go manually atm. thats the reason why I havn't it enabled yet
[10:23] <dholbach> ok, i see
[10:23] <lamont__> chown shermann /var/lib/sbuild /var/lib/sbuild/ /var/lib/sbuild/srcdep-lock
[10:23] <lamont__> \sh: both in and out of the chroot
[10:23] <\sh> ahhh :)
[10:23] <dholbach> siretart: i really don't want to complain, you did awesome work, i'm just thinking about it
[10:24] <sistpoty> hm... maybe when there is new upload, we could give links to the old upload on the details page
[10:25] <\sh> another try
[10:25] <\sh> ROCK!
[10:25] <\sh> thx lamont__ you're my favorite
[10:25] <\sh> it works
[10:26] <\sh> now for the bloody mod_python stuff
[10:26] <\sh> siretart: sbuild works :)
[10:27] <siretart> dholbach: yes, I did think also alot about this one, but I considered the way it is now because it was easy and quick to implement
[10:27] <siretart> \sh: great :)
[10:27] <\sh> lamont__: can I say to sbuild where it should store the resulting binary packages?
[10:27] <siretart> \sh: did you understand how the scripts in hook.d work? revu would 'just' need another hook for elma/sbuild
[10:28] <lamont__> \sh: sbuild stores them in .
[10:28] <\sh> lamont__: right, but no way to say: put it there, instead of "."?
[10:28] <lamont__> not that I know of
[10:29] <siretart> dholbach: but you're right. there is absolutly room for improvment. still I think the current state is also more comfortable to use than the wiki
[10:29] <\sh> siretart: no i don't have a clue right now...I have to read
[10:30] <siretart> \sh: the scripts in hook.d are called with the directory in incoming as only parameter.
[10:30] <\sh> siretart: where is "hook.d" be places? in the chroot or in the main sbuild user dir?
[10:31] <\sh> s/places/placed/
[10:33] <siretart> \sh: it's in the svn. it can be anywhere, you have to adjust that in scripts/process_uploads.sh anyway
[10:34] <\sh> siretart: so it doesn't have to do anything with sbuild...only with revu
[10:34] <siretart> dholbach: 'nuke' links enabled. be careful, no confirmation is asked ;)
[10:34] <dholbach> hehe :)
[10:34] <siretart> \sh: jepp!
[10:34] <\sh> ok
[10:36] <dholbach> bye tseng
[10:36] <ogra> hmm, tseng is bigger then home
[10:36] <ogra> must be a small house
[10:36] <siretart> or a really big tseng ;)
[10:37] <Mithrandir> actually, he overwrote everything in his home with himself.
[10:38] <Nafallo> hehehe
[10:38] <ogra> *g*
[10:38] <Mithrandir> which will make him surprised when he gets there, I guess.
[10:38] <ogra> lol
[10:43] <siretart> ok. Now everyone with upload permissions to universe should be able to upload to revu, too!
[10:43] <dholbach> wooho
[10:43] <siretart> they cannot login, though, because they have not a password set. but uploading is a start :)
[10:50] <siretart> whops. I think I found a problem
[10:50] <siretart> the uploads have a signed .changes file. so anyone could fetch the changes file and upload it to the archive.. hmm
[10:51] <siretart> I think I'll just delete the changes file after processing, what do you think?
[10:51] <ogra> siretart, but they have also signed changes files if they are in publich personal archives, whats wrong with that ?
[10:53] <ogra> i.e. if i upload a package to my personal arch, i uploas dsc, diff.gz, orig.tar.gz and changes.... so you could grab it there anyway
[10:54] <siretart> ogra: yeah, but perhaps there are some problems with the package, someone else grabs the package and uploads it to ubuntu. the upload will be accepted, because your key is also in the uploaders keyring of ubuntu
[10:55] <dholbach> siretart: could we have a column for advocates per package/upload? ;)
[10:57] <siretart> dholbach: yes. already on my list
[10:57] <dholbach> excellent *hug siretart*
[10:58] <siretart> :)
[10:58] <dholbach> ok uploaded a bunch of fixed packages
[11:01] <dholbach> siretart: !!! :)
[11:02] <siretart> dholbach: was easier than I thought :)
[11:02] <dholbach> count() is your friend ;)
[11:02] <siretart> what do you like better, 3(1), or 3/1?
[11:02] <dholbach> ()
[11:02] <siretart> ok
[11:03] <dholbach> and an update of the title row maybe to indicate what's going on
[11:03] <siretart> yep, thats another file ;)
[11:04] <dholbach> what about the main uploaders? can they add comments too?
[11:04] <dholbach> seb128 and mvo did some reviews
[11:04] <dholbach> fabbione as well
[11:05] <siretart> dholbach: as soon as they mail my a password
[11:05] <siretart> mail me
[11:05] <dholbach> ah ok
[11:06] <siretart> ah "lost password" link would be great, too, but thats too much for this evening ;)
[11:06] <dholbach> i STRONGLY URGE each and every motu to USE REVU! NOW! upload your crack and shorten the lists on MOTUNewPackages, kthxbye
[11:06] <siretart> :)
[11:07] <sistpoty> yippie, i got revu working on my own machine :) i'll document things in the readme g
[11:07] <siretart> sistpoty: w00t! :)
[11:08] <siretart> sistpoty: r47 checked in
[11:08] <\sh> hmmm....what about a mailinglist ?
[11:08] <sistpoty> would be great... as well as commit mails :)
[11:09] <\sh> i need a mailinglist...and I'm too lazy to setup mailman in my environment now ;)
[11:09] <siretart> \sh: mailling list for commit mails or uploads?
[11:09] <siretart> I think my mailman setup could still work here.. hmm lets see
[11:09] <\sh> siretart: commit mails, or buildlogs ;)
[11:10] <siretart> \sh: ah. good idea ;)
[11:10] <\sh> and I can't login ;)
[11:11] <\sh> no doesn't work
[11:13] <siretart> sistpoty: I enabled the commit mails for both of us
[11:13] <sistpoty> siretart: cool :)
[11:14] <sistpoty> n.b. is apache2 in ubuntu the same package as in debian (does the config-directory-structure differ?)?
[11:16] <siretart> sistpoty: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/apache2/ <- here is the difference to debian
[11:17] <siretart> no changes to directory structure
[11:17] <sistpoty> thx
[11:18] <siretart> hm. mailman seems to be a bigger building site here..
[11:19] <siretart> does anyone know frode doeving?
[11:19] <\sh>  siretart can u look whats up with the login?
[11:20] <uniq> siretart: it's me.
[11:20] <siretart> \sh: did you use your email address as login name?
[11:20] <dholbach> uniq: may i introduce you to siretart  :)
[11:20] <uniq> dholbach: thanks :)
[11:20] <\sh> sh@linux-server.org
[11:20] <siretart> ah, hi uniq  - never read you before :)
[11:20] <siretart> yes
[11:21] <siretart> uniq: I will add you to the keyring, but please get your key signed by someone in the strong set
[11:21] <siretart> uniq: this is a requirement for motus anyway
[11:22] <uniq> siretart: i'm working on it.. it's kinda hard where i'm located geographically.
[11:22] <dholbach> uniq: where are you?
[11:22] <uniq> northern norway, not even close to mithrandir and the others.
[11:23] <siretart> uniq: hm. I see..
[11:24] <dholbach> uniq: we have a process for that, you could send a copy of your keyID (you have to take it to a notary or bank or something, so they verify who you are) - send all this via snailmail to mako
[11:25] <uniq> dholbach: oh.. nice. that's probably easier and less expensive than a flight +++ to have it signed.
[11:25] <\sh> siretart: can u provide me with a apache config for mod_python...which packages
[11:25] <dholbach> uniq: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnsignedGpgKey
[11:25] <dholbach> so how's the review day going on?
[11:26] <dholbach> hey ivoks
[11:26] <dholbach> review party! :)
[11:27] <ivoks> hey dholbach
[11:27] <ivoks> i fixed wifi-radar :)
[11:27] <dholbach> i saw it
[11:27] <dholbach> excellent
[11:27] <ivoks> review uber alles :)
[11:27] <dholbach> will you upload it to revu?
[11:27] <ivoks> glady
[11:27] <ivoks> gladly
[11:27] <dholbach> i'll give my signature after another look
[11:27] <ivoks> ok
[11:27] <dholbach> revu rocks
[11:27] <ivoks> yeah? great
[11:28] <tseng> ogra: i was redirecting myself
[11:28] <ogra> tseng, ahh, yes...
[11:29] <ogra> :)
[11:29] <siretart> uniq: you got mail
[11:29] <uniq> siretart: thanks.
[11:30] <siretart> you're welcome
[11:30] <ivoks> siretart: great job with revu!
[11:31] <siretart> ivoks: thanks, but there is still a lot of work todo!
[11:32] <ivoks> siretart: we are here to help you
[11:32] <ivoks> ok, uploaded to revu
[11:33] <dholbach> ivoks: i remove it from MOTUNewPackages, ok?
[11:33] <\sh> sistpoty: ping
[11:34] <ivoks> dholbach: ok
[11:36] <\sh> http://revu.ubuntu.linux-server.org/
[11:36] <\sh> ROCK
[11:37] <\sh> anybody has a clue if mod_python is running with user/group settings when I set them in apache2?
[11:38] <siretart> \sh: I think it should run as user www-data
[11:38] <\sh> siretart: but sbuild user is elma ;)
[11:38] <\sh> i need to get this in sync
[11:39] <ivoks> user/group
[11:39] <ivoks> not www-data
[11:41] <ivoks> that's why there is suexec
[11:41] <tseng> ugh
[11:41] <ivoks> lilo flood :)
[11:42] <tseng> i wish he knew what a wallop was
[11:42] <katzor> hi guys, i tried to build a deb but it fails to sign...
[11:42] <tseng> im on 2 other networks and neither sends me global messages. certainly not begging for more money
[11:43] <\sh> rock guys..
[11:43] <\sh> anonymous uploads with new permissions runs ;)
[11:43] <tseng> hm
[11:43] <\sh> we're coming to the end ;) lets make some python stuff running
[11:43] <dholbach> katzor: hi, did you change the entry in debian/changelog to read your name and mail adress?
[11:44] <katzor> no
[11:44] <katzor> oh, yes i did
[11:44] <dholbach> you have a gpg key?
[11:44] <katzor> yes
[11:45] <katzor> it gets shown when i pgp --list-key
[11:45] <ivoks> revu is revulution :)
[11:46] <dholbach> maybe set DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL?
[11:46] <dholbach> ivoks: left a note :)
[11:46] <katzor> i'll try
[11:46] <GazerWork> dholbach, I'm not sure if I understood well your last commentary about my package (ceferino)
[11:46] <dholbach> GazerWork: hey :)
[11:46] <ivoks> thanks guys
[11:47] <dholbach> GazerWork: dpkg-source -x *.dsc wants a *_0ubuntu2.orig.tar.gz
[11:47] <ivoks> i'm still not familiar with cdbs, so that will wait for next release
[11:47] <dholbach> ivoks: it's lovely :)
[11:47] <dholbach> GazerWork: <package>_<upstream-version>.orig.tar.gz would be ok
[11:48] <dholbach> ivoks: hm, maybe use dpatch?
[11:48] <dholbach> ivoks: at least your patch should be in debian/
[11:48] <GazerWork> dholbach, but the package is ceferino_0.95.orig.tar.gz (0.95 is upstream version)
[11:48] <ivoks> it is in debian/patches
[11:48] <katzor> still, it says gpg: skipped `Martin Schmeisser <SchmeisserMartin@gmail.com>': secret key not available
[11:48] <katzor> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[11:48] <GazerWork> dholbach, why dpkg-sorce whats _0ubuntu2.orig.tar.gz ?
[11:49] <GazerWork> *hants
[11:49] <dholbach> GazerWork: let me have another look
[11:49] <GazerWork> dholbach, thx
[11:50] <dholbach> katzor: is this exactly what gpg tells you?
[11:50] <katzor> ja
[11:50] <katzor> oh, yes
[11:51] <ivoks> dholbach: i'll checkout dpatch and do some changes tomorrow then
[11:51] <dholbach> ivoks: it's easy to use
[11:51] <GazerWork> katzor, try gpg -K to see if your secret key is listed
[11:51] <ivoks> i'm sure it is
[11:52] <ivoks> but it's 00:00 and i didn't drink water few minutes ago :)
[11:52] <dholbach> just add the targets as mentioned in /usr/share/doc/dpatch to debian/rules and then dpatch-edit-patch my-brilliant-patch
[11:52] <dholbach> ;)
[11:52] <uniq> uhm. dput ate my ppc debs too.. oh well..
[11:52] <dholbach> uniq: source packages should be fine
[11:52] <dholbach> GazerWork: daniel@bert:~$ LC_ALL=C dpkg-source -x ceferino_0.95-0ubuntu2.dsc
[11:52] <dholbach> dpkg-source: failure: cannot read ./ceferino_0.95-0ubuntu2.tar.gz: No such file or directory
[11:52] <dholbach> daniel@bert:~$
[11:53] <katzor> dholbach, that lists my pub keys
[11:53] <uniq> dholbach: i know, just hoped dput would choose only source packages when i .changes as an argument.. but the .debs were uploaded too..
[11:53] <siretart> uniq: please upload with full source (option -S -sa) and no binaries to revu (just in case ;)
[11:53] <GazerWork> dholbach, oks, I'll fix that
[11:53] <dholbach> uniq: what did you pass to debuild?
[11:54] <uniq> dholbach: i use pbuilder.
[11:54] <GazerWork> katzor, try using -k<keyid> when call dpkg-buildpackage
[11:54] <dholbach> katzor: if you really have a gpg key with the same userID, i have no clue - you may want to ask on #ubuntu-devel
[11:54] <dholbach> uniq: yeah, but for building the source package before
[11:54] <uniq> dholbach: i have source packages and all.
[11:54] <dholbach> uniq: i'm sure you invoke something like    debuild -S -sa
[11:55] <katzor> ill try, thanks for your effort guys!
[11:55] <siretart> katzor: better build without signing (-us -uc) and sign your .changes with "debsign" afterwards
[11:55] <dholbach> uniq: how do you "update" source packages once you did a change?
[11:56] <uniq> dpkg-source -b source-dir/
[11:56] <katzor> GazerWork s Method hekped
[11:56] <katzor> *helped
[11:56] <katzor> thanks
[11:56] <dholbach> uniq: try    debuild -S   in the source tree (and -sa if you have to upload orig.tar.gz as well)
[11:56] <uniq> dholbach: after dpkg-source -b i run pbuilder build package.dsc
[11:57] <dholbach> uniq: yeah, that's good, but we're talking about the step before pbuilding :)
[11:57] <GazerWork> Kaloz, you're welcome
[11:58] <uniq> dholbach: ah.. stupid me :)
[11:58] <dholbach> uniq:   debuild -S   gives you the nice .dsc and .diff.gz and adds the information which files are going to be uploaded to .changes, if you add   -sa   you upload .orig.tar.gz as well
[11:58] <dholbach> uniq: don't worry - it took me ages to get the hang out of this ;)
[11:59] <uniq> there. finally.
[11:59] <uniq> ipodslave uploaded.
[11:59] <dholbach> NICE
[11:59] <ivoks> dholbach: i have to put my patch in source tree, not debian tree?
[12:00] <dholbach> ivoks: all the stuff you add/change goes into debian/
[12:00] <siretart> uniq: there was/is a small bug with the key. please use 'frode@lnix.net' to login in future
[12:00] <ivoks> i know that, that's why i'm asking
[12:00] <GazerWork> dholbach, done :)
[12:00] <ivoks> dpatch-edit-patch: Error: "/home/ivoks/dcc/wifi-radar-1.9.4/debian/patches" is not the toplevel directory of a Debian package, aborting.
[12:00] <dholbach> ah ok
[12:01] <dholbach> ivoks: invoke dpatch-edit-patch from wifi-radar-1.9.4/
[12:01] <uniq> siretart: ok. thanks.
[12:01] <dholbach> sorry for being unclear
[12:01] <ivoks> ah, ok :)