flankkthe startup time with fluxbox from the repos is -very- slow.. even slower than gnome startup..12:00
TatsterNot yet, but I can have12:00
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paulproteusYou'll need it.  The easiest way to get it is with wget, in my opinion.12:00
paulproteusJust do "wget <that URL>" on the command line, and the patch will be downloaded to the current directory.12:01
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Eni_I have Nokia 447Iplus monitor, google says it has 30.0-72.0 horizontal sync and 50.0-150.0 vertical refresh. I have added those manually and x wont start. I have tried different values. What can i do?12:01
paulproteusOnce you've done that, do "patch -p1 < /absolute/path/to/gallery.mambo.sef.patch" in the gallery directory.12:01
wolverianEni_: did X start without adding those?12:02
paulproteusEni_: Try commenting out the lines about the horizsync and vertsync.12:02
Eni_wolverian No.12:02
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wolverianEni_: did the lines exist, with other values, before? try commenting them out entirely if so.12:03
Eni_Hmm, i was wrong, x started, but the picture was blurry and "shaking"12:03
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Mikshow can i lock my DNS values in the "/etc/resolv.conf", they get erased everytime i restat my comp12:04
paulproteusEni_: When that happened to me on my other monitor, the monitor was dying.  It had just started making loud noises when I turned it on.12:04
Seveazmiks, edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf12:04
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paulproteusTatster: So far, you've been very good about providing concise, precise answers to my questions so I can help you.  Good job. :)12:04
Miksbut im not using dhcp312:04
Eni_paulproteus hmm, monitor is few years old.12:05
resiakMiks: I think it's pump or something like that.12:05
Miksye ai have pump12:05
cionhey newbie on ubuntu here12:05
paulproteusMiks: Does your computer automatically configure its IP address?  By default, it uses dhcp3 not pump.12:05
SeveazMiks, well, if you don't use dhcp but static ip-addresses on *every* card, then it should not be rewritten...12:05
cionhow do i uninstall rssowl?12:05
TatsterThanks, paulproteus12:05
Eni_well, i gotta go to other room and check it out12:05
cyrainSeveaz, it's ok12:05
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paulproteuscion: Have you tried using Synaptic?12:05
cyrainI've got to manually enter all commands in the suoders file12:05
paulproteuscion: Basically, how did you install it?  Just do the opposite. ;)12:06
Miksno..it doesnt gets the ip automatically12:06
Seveascyrain, or just use ALL12:06
cyrainthat would make me a kind of root :(12:06
paulproteusMiks: Oh, interesting.  In /etc/network/interfaces, is there any mention of DHCP?12:06
cionmmm i just followed a guide12:06
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Tatsterpaulproteus - your advice was spot on, thanks.12:06
cionwhat do u mean by doing the opposite?12:06
resiakMiks: If you remove pump, resolv.conf won't be wiped.12:06
Mikswell..i removed the dhcp because i was having a super slow DNS lookup issue12:07
paulproteusTatster: Okay, so you've successfully done it?  Great. :)12:07
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SeveasMiks, in firefox only..?12:07
paulproteusTatster: I'd suggest moving the patch out of the gallery directory, if it's still in there; feel free to delete if you don't think you'll need to re-apply it later.12:07
Miksno...in any attempt of contact with the net12:07
paulproteus(Or if you think you can just redownload it in the future if you will.)12:07
paulproteusMiks: I know what you mean.  This is usually caused by buggy DNS servers that respond badly to Ubuntu's default IPv6 configuration.12:08
radim1hi, can anyone help me? i've just installed ubuntu and need video codecs to play avi. where i can find them? thx12:08
Miksyea...it used to work all fine and suddenly this started to happen12:08
Seveasradim1: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support12:08
cyrainSeveas, thank you !12:09
cyraingot to go to bed :)12:09
cionhow do I uninstall on ubuntu?12:09
caonexMy ubuntu is freezing after a while, I think it has to do with a hardware/bios problem, but I cannot retrieve enough info to help me determine what exactly is happening with syslog, messages, nor dmesg, any other suggestions for log files i can look at? Oh, and the log file for x.org just says that there was seg fault and to contact the xorg team.12:09
cyraingood evening everyone12:09
Miksanyway...now it works excellent...the only issue is that i have to setup the net everytime i restart my comp because the resolv.conf values get erased12:09
Miksi want to lock em12:09
paulproteuscaonex: Laptop or desktop?12:09
Seveascion, with the package manager...12:09
resiakMiks: I JUST TOLD YOU12:09
paulproteuscaonex: Have you tried running the memtest86 memory tester?12:09
resiak23:06           resiak : Miks: If you remove pump, resolv.conf won't be wiped.12:09
Miksokay, thanks.. sorry :P12:09
caonexpaulproteus, desktop12:09
Miksi can remove it from synaptic right? just look for the package and reomve12:10
Seveascaonex, hmm, segfault in X... Have you run memtest yet?12:10
caonexpaulproteus, yeah i did, it kept going and i did not know what it ws doing.12:10
paulproteusAh, okay. :)12:10
paulproteuscaonex: It runs through a long list of tests.12:10
caonexSeveas, yeah i have run it, it looks like it was doing ok, though, paulproteus12:10
paulproteuscaonex: It has a place where it says how many times it's run the whole test suite.12:10
paulproteusAnd it has a place where it lists errors.  Did you manage to let it go for one full run of the test suite?  Did it say there were any errors?12:11
caonexpaulproteus, so how would that help me?12:11
Seveascaonex, anda  place where it will tell you whether it has found an error :)12:11
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caonexSeveas, that is just not for memory errors, then?12:11
Seveascaonex, well, X segfaults are so rare, that they are usually caused by bad memory12:11
paulproteuscaonex: Well, two things.  If you have RAM errors, you can either (1) return the RAM, or (2) patch your Linux kernel to never touch those areas of memory.  This patch is called "the BadMEM patch".12:11
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Mikslets see if it works12:11
Seveasand memtest will tell you whether your memory is bad12:11
caonexSeveas, let me go right to it then...12:12
honorHello all12:12
paulproteusI'm outta here, all.  Buh-bye. :)12:12
Seveas'navond honor12:12
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gorthaugi've a problem with gnome and the starters it's now are starter's_name.desktop and don't run the app12:12
caonexSeveas, paulproteus, so it will run n tests and tell me if there is an error?12:12
Seveascaonex, yes12:12
caonexSeveas, cool, be back later and I appreciate your help12:13
Seveascaonex, but you will want to interrupt after an hour or so, the complete test suite will take VERY long12:13
Seveasand errors usually are found on the first runs12:13
caonexSeveas, so it will tell me, up to the time if it has seen any errors12:13
caonexSeveas, so how long should i wait?12:13
caonexSeveas, never mind you just said an hour12:13
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caonexSeveas, ;)12:13
nemikhow would i disable the power management in server installation? the monitor always shuts off12:14
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caonexSeveas, my bad for not reading, hehe well i will see you later then12:14
cionthanks to all12:14
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gorthauganybody can help me??12:15
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Seveasgorthaug, maybe, if you can be a bit more descriptive...12:15
honorI've got a little question for you gurus I'm a newbie with linux and now I want to change my windows partition to ext2 and mount it does anyone has a good url for me?12:15
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gorthaugthe starters are now starter.desktop and don't run the app....12:16
Miksi removed PUMP but still my /etc/resolv.conf file got blanked after the restar12:16
Seveashonor, you know that if you change it to ext2, you will lose all data?12:16
Seveasgorthaug, sorry, but I don't understand at all what you mean...12:16
honorYes I know I backuped al data on another machine12:16
kdpwait...does windows run on ext2?12:16
Seveashonor, and you know that windows cannot use ext2?12:17
kdpi thought it only runs on ntfs/fat12:17
gorthaugyes my english is very poor...12:17
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Seveasgorthaug, what is your native language?12:17
honorI know I want to drop widnows 4ever :)12:17
Seveasok honor :)12:17
aigariushonor: then you can use cfdisk to change the partition type to Linux (82) and then use mkfs.ext212:17
Dj_AlTeKhey seveas12:17
Seveashonor, then simply do mkfs.ext2 /dev/YOUR_DISK12:17
oggenow ive defragged the disk :)12:18
Seveasah, good one aigarius :)12:18
aigariushonor: I would recommend to use ext3 or reiserfs12:18
oggedo you recommend to defrag a few more times, before resize the ntfs partition,12:18
Seveasogge, no, not needed12:18
phaedrus44ne1 here ever try mepis?...12:19
honorIs it possible to resise my existing ext partition without losing data?12:19
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oggeSeveas, ok.12:20
aigariushonor: yes, but it is not 100% safe12:20
gorthaugjejeje google says that i want to say that: the starters have happened to be called starter.desktop and they do not initiate the applications12:20
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jsimmonshow do i change the font in the windows (titlebar and menu)?12:20
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Seveasjsimmons, system->preferences->font perhaps12:21
LinuxJonesjsimmons,  System >> Preferences >> Font12:21
jsimmons(slaps head12:21
aigariuswill the Ubuntu people, that are responsible for the Google's Summer of Code, be at the Debconf?12:21
Seveasgorthaug, that does not make it any more readable?12:21
Seveasgorthaug, Espaol..?12:22
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Seveasgorthaug, va en #ubuntu-es por espaol :)12:22
ironmcprinter problem - I have a hp psc2110 (which I have used with Mandrake and SuSe) - foomatic installed, cups installed, hp ppd files installed - no printing - any ideas??12:22
gorthaugnobody have answers for my question in ubuntu-es12:23
jsimmonsdo i have to restart x to see the changes?12:23
Seveasgorthaug, maybe there is someone there who can translate it a bit better12:23
diegoi speak spanish12:23
LinuxJonesironmc, you set it up using gnome-cups-manager ?12:23
diegowhat do you guys need?12:23
nikkiadiego, you do? i have a question for you too :P12:23
diegoheh, oook12:24
Seveasdiego, can you help gorthaug, his english is very poor, I did not understand the problem12:24
ironmcused system>admin>printing12:24
nikkiadiego, does it make sense in spanish to shorten the word 'Transversal' to 'Trans.' ?12:24
diegonikkia: heh, can't help you there. i never learned to read or write12:25
ttyS0what is aclocal12:25
nikkiadiego, i'm working on a spanish product, and don't have enough display space for Transversal, but thats what the translators gave me :/12:25
nikkiadiego, ummm how are you managing to use irc then ?12:25
pfpSeveas: i think he means that some launcher (icon)s appear as iconname.desktop, and fail to launch anything12:25
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Seveaspfp, yeah, but what he means with that?!?12:26
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diegonikkia: i know how to read and write in english asshat...i don't know spelling/grammar in spanish though12:26
nikkiadiego, heh, ok12:27
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diegohe's saying that all his launchers are now named Azureus.desktop, etc, and when he clicks on them they ask him if he wants to execute or display them12:27
diegosounds to me like they got chmod'd +x?12:28
diegoif he executes them, they do nothing12:28
Seveasbut clicking on .desktop files..?12:28
ironmcLinuxJones  I used system>admin>printing12:28
Seveasthey should be in /usr/share/somewhare and make up the menu12:28
honorwhich one is ext3 in cfdisk?12:28
Seveasclicking on .desktop files will not work as far as i know...12:28
pfphonor: 83 (same as ext2)12:29
joamsn: Depends: sox but it is not installable12:29
jo ?12:29
Seveasoh, how nice12:30
diegohe says all his icons (that start programs?) have disappeared12:30
Seveasthat does work :)12:30
nikkiatechnically, linux doesn't really care, i managed to go nearly 4 years before i noticed i had my / on a partition marked as FAT1212:30
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Seveasdiego, hmm, I think he messed around with a few things12:30
LinuxJonesironmc, can you print a testpage ?12:30
Seveaslike deleting stuff from /usr/share/applications12:30
diegoSeveas: where exactly are the .desktop icons?12:31
Seveasor chmod -R on something...12:31
diegohe says his menu works though12:31
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Seveasdiego, look at /usr/share/applications :)12:31
john_i modprobed vesafb to try and get fbxine to work, rebooted, and i'm stuck at 640x480 despite no change in xorg.conf.  after modprobe -r vesafb and restart x, i'm still stuck at 640.  any ideas?12:31
Seveas.desktop files are menu entries and program launchers12:31
johm Package glib-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.12:31
ender_anyone know how to apt-get gtk+ ?12:31
Seveasthey should *not* be executable12:31
Seveasjo, install libglib-2.0-dev oslt12:31
diegooh ok, just his desktop's icons are f**ked12:32
Seveasender_, gtk+ is on your system...12:32
Seveasdiego, ah :)12:32
diegohis menu and the icons on the toolbars work12:32
SeveasIf it's only on the desktop, let him paste the output of ls -al ~/Desktop on paste.ubuntulinux.nl12:32
jo Couldn't find package libglib-2.0-dev12:33
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Seveasjo, then use apt-cache search glib | grep dev12:33
brentdaxIs there a way to change the audio channel the "volume up" and "volume down" keyboard shortcuts control?  I have a 5.1 setup, and "Master" only controls the front speakers.12:33
Seveasbrentdax, afaik not unfortunately :(12:33
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ender_Seveas:  what about "gdk-pixbuf" and "wget" ?12:34
brentdaxDamn.  Thanks anyway.12:34
honorok I have my partition now but it says it's a swap and there is no option to give it a label?12:34
Seveasender_, use apt-cache search and apt-get install....12:34
muttDChello, have a question about giFT, trying to install the plugin of ares... and how can i know where is the file "libgift.pc"?12:34
Seveashonor, then you gave it the bad partition type12:34
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seliniumHi all, for some reason my cd drives are not working, were fine. I cannot see any drive in /dev .... Help! :)12:34
honori gave it 8212:35
Seveashonor, it should be 8312:35
ender_should I sudo while running apt-get?12:35
Seveasender_, yes12:35
seliniumender_ yep12:35
ironmcLinuxJones  no and I can't get Xsane to recognize the scanner although I have used it before12:35
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seliniumjohn_ ? just got here12:35
Seveasrestart after messing around with vesafb...12:35
john_i modprobed vesafb to try and get fbxine to work, rebooted, and i'm stuck at 640x480 despite no change in xorg.conf.  after modprobe -r vesafb and restart x, i'm still stuck at 640.  any ideas?12:35
diegoSeveas: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/25012:36
seliniumsorry john_ above my head! :)12:36
diegoshould i tell him to `chmod -x *.desktop` ?12:37
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honorok Seveas but still no /12:37
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Seveasdiego, yes, definitely12:37
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john_x gets screen res from xorg.conf, right?12:37
Seveasjohn_, yes, but messing around with vesafb might require a restart iirc12:37
lsuactiafnerjohn_ : yeh12:38
john_ok.  how do i keep vesafb from loading at next boot?12:38
Miks:(  how can i lock my /etc/resolv.conf values so they wont be blanked everytime i restart the comp?12:38
nemikhow would i disable from terminal the screensaver so the monitor does not turn off?12:38
honorgot it I think :)12:38
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lsuactiafnerMiks : it shouldnt blank. but chmod a-w /etc/resolv.conf12:38
Seveasjohn_, you might want to add it to the hotplug blacklist, but vesafb should not cause problems (From what you wrote i though that removing it caused the problem)12:39
john_nope.  i went nuts and added three different *fb modules.  on reboot lsmod showed them all....12:39
achyHi, I download a cursor theme, how the heck do i install it?12:39
john_do you know which file stores loaded modules?12:40
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john_i didn't have a framebuffer previously.12:40
honorgot it I think :)12:40
Miksand...how could i see some log of the boot in my system? because when it starts i see one "FAILED" but i cant get to read what it is, it loads so fast12:40
jonas747777any suggestions on howe to make ubuntu make cleaner or more minimalistic? themes, window managers?12:40
nikkialsuactiafner: my guess would be that his resolv.conf is getting set to nothing by a bad dhcp return12:40
ender_I'm assuming that I already have gdk-pixbuf, I found this: " This article describes the architecture of GdkPixbuf, the image loading library that will be used in the next major version of GNOME. Older versions of GNOME, as of October 1999, used the Imlib library, which has numerous design limitations. This article also describes the differences between Imlib and GdkPixbuf so that application developers can take these considerations into account when updating12:41
ender_their applications."12:41
AndrWshi guyes , anyone who know of a program which can open a rar. file?12:41
john_yep.  before this it was at 1024x76812:41
Seveasachy, use gcursor :)12:41
epProblems with fresh kubuntu-desktop install.  Kongueror sometimes list double folder and files and it often crashes (sig11).  I installed this after the kernel update it that has anything to do with it.  Suggestions?12:41
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Seveasender_, indeed, you have it already...12:41
holycowAndrWs, sudo apt-get install rar unrar12:41
holycowthen open it up with archiver12:41
ender_then im ready to install =)12:41
achySorry new to linux, how to use gcursor?12:41
SeveasAndrWs, unrar-nonfree works better than unrar12:41
diegoSeveas: after taking off the executable flag, he says nautilus now just displays the text contents of the .desktop file12:41
holycowwhat Seveas said12:41
fishheadis reading about building demolition and how 98% of the building materials are recycled now, so cool12:42
Seveasachy, aptitude installl gcursor12:42
AndrWsok , thx12:42
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Seveasdiego, then he should fix his .desktop files, they are broken somehow12:42
Seveasdiego, let him paste them on the pastebin12:43
lsuactiafnerbrentdax : while you are @ it write me a program that will search for strings that occur most often in a squid proxy log12:43
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muttDChello, somebody has installed the plugin of ares for giFT on ubuntu? :)12:43
brentdaxScratch your own itch.  :^P12:43
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Seveaslsuactiafner, wasn't the sort | uniq thing good enough? ;)12:44
diegoSeveas: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/25112:44
john_what file lists modules to be loaded?12:44
Seveasjohn_, hotplug :)12:44
Epixi have a USB keyboard. i have the windows drivers. it needs to have a usb to midi driver im guessing. how do i get it to work on linux12:44
john_so nano -w hotplug and comment out what i don't want?12:44
nikkiaepix, if its a true MIDI USB device, it shouldn't need drivers12:44
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nikkiaepix, MIDI IO is a standard USB profile, no drivers should be needed, if it *does* need drivers, then you're probably out of luck12:45
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lsuactiafnerSeveas : yeh but i got hits for logo_blue.jpg and logo_green.jpg .. it should tell me logo occurs often.12:45
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lsuactiafneri block images that i dont need, like company logos..12:46
Seveasdiego, my guess is that there is something wrong with the programs they point to12:46
Seveasdiego, let him check the paths...12:46
diegoSeveas: k12:46
gorthaugthe paths is ok12:46
Seveaslsuactiafner, ahhh, ok, that's gonna be more difficult12:46
lsuactiafnerbut your sed thing helped a bunch12:46
Mikschanging the /etc/resolv.conf permissions to read only didnt work...it still gets rewritten everytime i restart the comp12:47
Seveasif you want substring statistics of a filename, that will require some programming...12:47
lsuactiafnermaking a program based on that list will be much easier already12:47
epIs there an alternative to the kubuntu-desktop install like just installing KDE?  The little bit of googling i've done leads me to believe this is not a KDE bug.12:47
resiakMiks: Did you get rid of pump?12:47
Seveasep, kde-base, kde-* (there are a lot of KDE metapackages, see wiki.ubuntu.com/MetaPackages)12:47
diegoSeveas: he says the same thing happens if he drags a .desktop of his menu12:47
Miksyea resiak12:47
Miksremoved completely12:47
resiakMiks: Oh, I give up then :)12:47
lsuactiafnerthing is read array of strings.. sort, compare first letter to all other elements.. comepare first two letters ect.. do a shitload of maths and in the end it should say "logo" is something worth blockin12:48
nikkiaepix, actually, you can try this first...12:48
nikkiaepix, modprobe snd-usb-audio12:48
Eni_paulproteus i started thinking too that monitor is dying too... when im trying to start X, there are rainbow colors on the screen, and when i go to bios, there are also rainbow colors.12:48
Seveasdiego, maybe he has set an appication to be opened for .desktop files :|12:48
lsuactiafnerwill spew useless hits out also..12:48
nikkiaepix, that SHOULD get auto-loaded, but it might not for some reason12:48
diegoSeveas: how do i check that?12:48
Seveasdiego, no idea (yet)12:48
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lsuactiafnerbut it might catch something i cant by tailin logs12:48
nikkiaepix, snd-usb-audio is the alsa component that should deal with USB MIDI12:48
Epixnikkia, ok i will do that one sec12:48
EpixWARNING: Error inserting snd_usb_lib (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-lib.ko): Operation not permitted12:49
EpixWARNING: Error inserting snd_usb_lib (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-lib.ko): Operation not permitted12:49
EpixFATAL: Error inserting snd_usb_audio (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.ko): Operation not permitted12:49
EpixFATAL: Error running install command for snd_usb_audio12:49
diegoEpix: root12:49
SeveasEpix, DO NOT PASTE in here12:49
nikkiaepix, you have to sudo it :)12:49
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lsuactiafnerEpix : try not to paste12:49
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nikkiaepix, i imagine it will present a /dev/seq device but don't hold me to that, i've not used USB MIDI on linux in about 2 years12:50
honor/dev/hda6       /data               ext3    defaults                          0       2 ???12:50
Epixnikkia: loaded...12:51
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jonas747777should i download gtk 1.x or 2.x themes?12:51
nikkiaepix, look at the output from dmesg to see if it reports any devices appearing (but don't paste it here :)12:51
Epixnikkia, i dont see /dev/seq12:51
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Epixnikkia, cat dmesg |xchat :P12:51
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Trog|odytmy install hangs at "configuring the network with DHCP' any ideas?? anyone? anyone?12:52
KyralDoes your network work?12:52
Trog|odytyes netowrk works...12:52
Epixnikkia, i think that it was found12:52
Trog|odytyes dhcp works on 3 other computers12:53
Epixas a low speed USB device12:53
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nikkiaepix, it will be low speed12:53
SeveasTrog|odyt, is it wireless?12:53
nikkiaepix, you could also take a look through /proc/usb/devices12:53
Trog|odytnot wireless12:53
nikkiai mean /proc/bus/usb/devices12:53
KyralTry skipping that part and doing it afterward (doesn't work on first shot with me either)12:53
ironmcLinuxJones  no can't print test page and I can't get Xsane to recognize the scanner although I have used it before12:53
naliothhowdy y'all12:54
Trog|odythow do I skip that?12:54
FunraiserTrog|odyt, it works on windows?12:54
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EpixManufacturer=Evolution Electronics Ltd... Yep12:54
nikkiaepix, there you go12:54
Trog|odytnetwork works on solaris and on mandrake12:54
Epixnikkia, what can i do with it though?12:54
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nikkiaepix, should have said it was an evo, i know their keyboards are USB MIDI profile compliant12:55
Trog|odythow do i skip the network config page?12:55
nikkia(they actually make a fuss somewhere on their site about 'you don't need any drivers for windows, mac or linux')12:55
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Epixnikkia, what does that mean for me?12:55
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nikkiaepix, it just means you never really need a driver, on any OS that supports USB profiles properly12:55
KyralTrog|odyt: Expert Install and just don't select that part12:55
nikkiaepix, it doesn't mean much more than that, really12:56
Trog|odytok thanks12:56
KyralShould work :P12:56
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nikkiaepix, the next part is to get the device nodes present, although, you might not need them, alsa compliant apps can do IO without the /dev files present12:57
nikkiaepix, they're actually /dev/midi* these days not seq12:58
AndrWsis it possible that Rhythmbox 0.8.8 can play mp3 files?12:58
nikkia(and they might be in /dev/snd/midi* instead of /dev)12:58
naliothAndrWs: have you enabled universe and multiverse repos?12:59
AndrWsdont think so01:00
nalioths_dogAndrWs: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support01:00
nalioths_dogAndrWs: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto01:00
naliothAndrWs: with those URLs, you can play almost everything you want01:01
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AndrWsom i shall try .. Thx for the help :)01:01
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naliothAndrWs: thats what we're here for01:01
diegoSeveas: any luck finding anything for gorthaug?01:02
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Seveasdiego, not at all :(01:02
diegohe should just f*ck .desktop files altogether and make symlinks heh01:03
Seveasdiego, lol :)01:03
Seveasmy thoughts too01:03
diegoactually i don't think he'd mind that01:03
naliothsymlinks never fail01:03
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KyralThe desktop should only be for windows and Desklets :D01:04
Trog|odytKyral, expert mode got me past the network config, thanks01:04
Seveasi'm grep'ing through my .gconf stuff to find something...01:04
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lahbibsalut les mecs01:06
KyralIs it bad that I am rather proud that I symlinked my anime HD into my Home Partition for when it gets full it won't look different?01:06
liz4rdis it just me or are the repos down...01:06
diegoKyral: yes01:06
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rift-Anyone here use the ATI fglrx drivers and have problems when switching virtual terminals?01:08
naliothKyral: i have no clue what you said, but i've symlinked my hfs+ partition into my homedir01:08
Seveasrift-, sometimes01:09
rift-happens to me all the time01:09
rift-i can't switch to a virtual terminal once x starts01:09
rift-nor can I restart x01:09
rift-it hangs01:09
Seveasthe screen gets all messed up, but it restores after several VT changes01:09
rift-i can't get mine back, i gotta do a hard reset01:10
rift-kind of frustrating01:10
Kyralnalioth: Basically my /media/anime is gonna fill up full (160 GBs+ of anime, hell yah). So I made a /anime in my /home (which is about 280 GBs) and symlinked the directories to /media/anime01:10
Seveasrift-, I can imagine that...01:10
lsuactiafnerKyral : whats your fav anime?01:10
Seveasbut unfortunately fglrx is closed source, so it cannot be fixed I guess01:10
naliothgiving you a homedir of (apparently) 440gb01:11
rift-ya i know01:11
Seveasfile a complaint at ATI :)01:11
rift-i wish I never took out my nvidia card01:11
rift-it worked fine01:11
Kyrallsuactiafner: I'm mainly a Gundam Fanboy, but I am also a sucker for romantic comedies like Ah! My Goddess and Full Metal Panic!01:11
rift-not to mention the xorg issues now plaguing a lot of distros01:11
diegoSeveas: he's fine with symlinking hehe01:11
jayparadiseso control alt enter turns on sticky keys01:11
jayparadisei just learned this a la vmware01:11
lsuactiafnerfull metal alchemist was cool btw01:12
Kyralnalioth: No, its so when I start putting anime onto my /home in /anime, I won't have to jump all over the place01:12
KyralFull Metal PANIC not Alchemist :P01:12
Kyraloh, Kenshin > j0001:12
naliothKyral: ok. i symlinked mine to have more space01:12
lsuactiafneryeh but ALCHEMIST rocked01:12
rift-Seveas, you have freezing issues with fglrx and xorg ?01:12
rift-i get complete hangs if I have xorg + fglrx + acpi + apm01:12
Seveasrift-, no(t yet)01:12
naliothKyral: got a mac OSX install just sittin there (might as well use the HD, right?)01:12
Seveasrift-, just crappy hibernating01:13
jayparadiseyou have an /anime?01:13
ys76rift-: acpi AND apm?01:13
rift-i don't even use acpi or apm, so I don't care01:13
rift-ys76, ya, had to stop both services01:13
Kyralnalioth: You have OSX? You BASTARD!! :P01:13
jayparadisesnyone eelse have any odd / directories?01:13
naliothKyral: huh? i never use it01:14
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jayparadisei have a /fear and /net01:14
Seveasjayparadise, /dynamite :)01:14
ys76rift-: There were some issues when you tried to run both...01:14
lsuactiafneri got /movies and /slackware and /mnt/01 to 1001:14
ys76rift-: Try to rmmod at least the apm module01:14
diegoSeveas: weird, he says not that he reinstalled glade-gnome2 his icons are back01:14
jayparadiseim thining about chaning mountpoints from media to mnt01:14
rift-ys76, i don't use either, so I just removed both01:14
naliothmy roomates machine has win_c thru win_m01:14
jayparadiseand using media as MEDIA01:14
KyralI like Media01:15
Seveasdiego :|01:15
diegoSeveas: could have been one of glade's dependencies i guess?01:15
jayparadisemy media is cccurrently in ~  but soon to be in ~ftp01:15
Seveasyeah, perhaps01:15
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ys76rift-: Try to complain at ATIs. They receive lots of emails during the last few days. Hope they change their politics a bit01:16
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rift-ya I should01:16
rift-i can't believe they would release such a buggy driver01:16
rift-don't they have a Q/A department?01:16
Seveasnalioth, I'm shutting down thw 12-cell cluster, cya tommorow :)01:16
zythit's ATI, haven't you seen their Linux driver history?01:16
naliothSeveas: goin to 1-cell for dormancy and power savings, eh?01:17
ys76rift-: Yes, they do have one, but it's ATI01:17
rift-it is amazing that ati and nvidia are in two different worls01:17
jayparadisevmware is instaling winblo$ incredibly slow01:17
lsuactiafnerSeveas : cell processors?01:17
ooI got a partition with 1.8 gb free which im planning to install ubuntu minimal on. when I in the installationprogress choose the guided partition tool. It chooses to make the swap partition like 112 mb big. and the other 1.7gb. is the swap partition to small?01:17
oogot 128 mb ram01:17
lsuactiafneroo : i think so01:17
diegoSeveas: thanks for the help, though i was only a translator heh. peace01:17
zythoo, that's fine01:17
zythoo, generally your swap ought to = your ram01:17
lsuactiafnermake it at least double your ram01:17
ooand where is the missing ~900 mb.?01:17
rift-i wish bf2 worked on linux01:17
jayparadisei thought it should be twice01:18
rift-then I wouldn't need to dual boot01:18
gorthaugSeveas thanks for all!!01:18
naliothlsuactiafner: seveas is an advanced AI running on a 12-Cell cluster01:18
zytheh, in my experience, twice your ram is overkill, but whichever :)01:18
jayparadiseyea i htought it was odd too01:18
jayparadisebut i read that somewhere01:18
rift-i rarely hit swap01:18
rift-i got 1GB ram01:18
naliothoo it needs to be at least equal, and in your case trebel01:18
jayparadisei wish vmware would use swap01:18
naliothzyth: if ya aint got much ram, 3x is good01:18
oomaybe I dont hit swap either. gonna run xfce4 and some other small, resource-light apps :)01:18
lsuactiafnerlol nalioth01:19
ys76nalioth: I don't think so. You can run machines without any swap at all...01:19
lsuactiafnerjust this afternoon i joked about it01:19
jayparadisebut its using the low mount of ram i have left and going reallly slow yet not slowing linux down01:19
naliothys76: and grow gray hair at the same time01:19
lsuactiafnerys76 : i ran a 42mb machine with no swap but it couldnt compile a kernel since it ran out of ram01:19
lsuactiafnerand i didnt use -pipe either01:19
lsuactiafnerhe needs like 256mb just for firefox01:19
ooso. 256mb swap is better?01:19
ys76lsuactiafner: 42MB is not that large today...01:20
lsuactiafneroo : 246 @ least..01:20
jayparadiseis abundant swap destructive?01:20
oogot a 700 coppermine celeron (mobile) and 128 mb ram. like L1 cache 64kbyte, and L2 128kbyte.01:20
naliothjayparadise: no, just wasteful01:20
lsuactiafnerbut around 128*3 would be good, but 4* might make the machine slow, since a swap uses resources01:20
jayparadiseim trying to maximize linux speed  , killing processes and everything01:20
ys76oo: That's similar to my machine01:20
jayparadisei dont consider 500 mb wasteful01:20
lsuactiafneroo : in that case 128*4 cant be bad01:21
naliothjayparadise: if it's not used, it's wasteful01:21
jayparadisewhen you have 300 gb yet use 2001:21
ooys76, oh. what applications u run on it? what window manager?01:21
lsuactiafnerjayparadise : it is til you find yourself needing to use something thats ram intensive01:21
lsuactiafnercourse you can add a swap easily using a file and mkswap it.. but thats ugly01:21
oojust got a 9gb disk drive in my laptop..01:21
lsuactiafnerbut on my machine 1G dual drr and 1G swap i have ran out of ram twice01:21
ys76oo: At the moment I am running FreeBSD with fluxbox, but before that I used Ubuntu...01:22
lsuactiafnercourse my loads were in 21 21 21 area01:22
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ooys76, ok.01:22
jayparadiselsuactiafner, can you rephrse that "it is till you find soemthing ram intensive"01:22
ys76lsuactiafner: What did sou do on these mashines?01:22
naliothlsuactiafner: ya got em curious, now01:22
ys76oo: Try to give your machine about 512 MB of swap01:23
lsuactiafnerjayparadise : like if you compile ethereal-0.10.11.tar.bz201:23
naliothlsuactiafner: how bout compiling the gimp?01:23
oook. really need so much? just going to surf, icq/msn and mailing on my ubuntu distro.01:23
jayparadisei get htat but what are you pretaining to, its destructive when ram is intensive?01:23
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Alia25bah cedega really gets me depressed01:23
oomaybe a little gimp.01:23
lsuactiafnerys76 : i encoded 3 dvds, ran firefox @ -3 with 100+ tabs open, had mp3s playing and was jumpin consoles ect01:23
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naliothoo at LEAST 2x your physical ram01:23
lsuactiafnermp3blaster runs @ nice -1001:24
naliothoo: any gimp, 3x01:24
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lsuactiafnerand i was compilin shit01:24
jayparadisesee nalioth uses 2x ram too01:24
naliothoo: and buy more physical ram (gimp eats it up quickly)01:24
lsuactiafnerthing is, if you run out of swap and ram, oom-killer kicks in, thats ugly01:24
naliothjayparadise: huh? not me, i have 1x01:24
jayparadise  o01:24
ys76lsuactiafner: I got that with a process that was leaking memory...01:24
jayparadiseso lsuactiafner , more swap = better?01:24
naliothjayparadise: i have 640mb on a G3/600 ibook + 640mb swap01:25
lsuactiafneryeh around twice your ram01:25
jayparadiseif ur running heavy stuff01:25
jayparadiselike i am now01:25
lsuactiafnersince the kernel also over commits01:25
jayparadiseyea mines 1.2 gb01:25
jayparadisedo the math to fin my ramsize01:25
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lsuactiafneri run heavy stuff, often i will have 11 consoles open, i'll goto bed and press enter on all of em. encode dvds compiling ect.. finishes when i wake.. thats on an amd64 3200+ 9 hrs later01:26
jayparadiseyet vmware is going rediculously slow01:26
lsuactiafner 01:27:21 up  3:56, 16 users,  load average: 1.39, 1.48, 1.4201:26
jayparadiseit still says 33 minutes remaining01:26
lsuactiafnerjayparadise : renice it01:26
unomeThere's no need whatsoever for double ram swap if you have over 512 ram01:26
naliothjayparadise: when ya have a teenynsy amount of ram >100mb you really need 3x01:26
unome19:24:26 up  3:48,  4 users,  load average: 0.35, 0.24, 0.1901:26
naliothunome: concur01:26
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lsuactiafnerunome : there is.. i often hit my swap and i got 1G dual ddr 40001:26
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lsuactiafnerdepends on that you do01:27
ys76There are many opinions about swap out there... Some old documents say, you should have about 3 times your RAM. But what if you got 2 GB of physical RAM01:27
naliothlsuactiafner: to each their own, but a good rule of thumb, it is01:27
jayparadisei dont know nice syntax01:27
naliothys76: the docs are OLD01:27
jayparadiseill consult the man01:27
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lsuactiafnernalioth : yeh01:28
ys76AFAIK there is/was a limit at 2GB for SWAP-Space01:28
unomedude, 2GB swap when you have 1G 3200 PC is waste of space01:28
nikkiays, best advice is to try and determine what you are likely to need01:28
nikkiays, if you dont think you'll regularly need *any* swap, don't create a swap partition01:28
naliothlsuactiafner: the avg user doesnt even realize ubuntu doesnt come with dev stuff01:28
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lsuactiafnerunome : should i paste you the oom-killer logs that killed half my system off at 1300 today?01:28
nikkiafor occasional 'OMG i need to edit a 500MB photoshop file' use, a swapfile will work in /tmp01:28
naliothlsuactiafner: so i don't think the avg use is gonna need to think real hard about it01:29
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ys76nikkia: That's right, but would you like to repartition your hd the other day, because you got OOM-killed?01:29
unomelsuactiafner: no need for that I believe you01:29
nikkiai usually work with 3-4 swap partition, but i'll create a 512MB to 3GB swapfile in /tmp if i think i'm going to need it for a particular task01:29
nikkiays, if you have 2GB you're not going to OOM unless you regularly need more than 2GB :)01:30
lsuactiafnerjust dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp_swap.img bs=1M count=1024 ; mkswap /tmp_swap.img ; swapon /tmp_swap.img01:30
naliothi killed my system today (stupidly)01:30
nikkiays, if you have 128MB then yes, you need a swap partition, and probably a reasonably sized one01:30
nikkialsuactiafner: that's exactly what i do :)01:30
unomenalioth how did you kill the system01:30
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ys76nikkia: And that was mentioned by oo who own a lap with 128 MB01:30
lsuactiafnernikkia : i used to have a file like that all ready incase i need it01:30
lsuactiafnertill today i realised i didnt have one anymore01:31
lsuactiafnerso i sat back and watched the system die01:31
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nikkialsuactiafner: its not like dd'ing from /dev/zero is slow :)01:31
lsuactiafnerkinda eerie01:31
Alia25any females in here except me? feel kind of left out in here :)01:31
naliothunome: opened a video for edtiing (slip of the context menu started it all off)01:31
nikkialsuactiafner: it'd be nice if the system could auto-add swap like OS X01:31
nikkiaAlia25: yes01:31
naliothAlia25: nobody knew until you spoke up01:31
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remyforbes777 alia25: why do you feel left out01:31
nikkialsuactiafner: preferablly without OS X's abysmal use of said swap :)01:32
lsuactiafnerAlia25 : now all the geeks in here will chat you up01:32
Alia25lsuactiafner, wwell thats good!01:32
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nikkiaor they'll just say 'lol' a lot, and cower in fear, which is what they usually do :P01:32
Alia25so i'll suck all knownledge you have ;)01:32
unomenalioth, ok, so which part died, the viedo card?01:32
naliothAlia25: then you should lurk in here and soak it up01:32
remyforbes777im a noob so i dont have that much knowledge01:32
lsuactiafnerAlia25 : try http://www.physorg.com01:33
ys76Knowledge? What's that? ;-)01:33
remyforbes777but nothing is sexier than an intelligent female01:33
naliothunome: nah, it opened (forever) so i switched to another console (which took 2 minutes to log in)01:33
naliothunome: was gonna kill it (with top) but top never started01:33
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lsuactiafnerremyforbes777 : an intelligent girl with a sexy waist+abs is..01:33
naliothunome: so i just killed it (didnt want to wait forever)01:33
ender_how do I find out if GLIB was installed in PREFIX and that the GLIB_CONFIG enviroment variable is set to the right path? =\01:33
remyforbes777well that too01:33
unomeI see01:33
nikkialsuactiafner: *sigh* always with the insane requirements01:33
KillerSmurfwacomcpl is a way of setting items for wacom tablet pads.   Is there a way to save the sttings as a default?01:34
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Alia25remyforbes777, you'd be supprised that females are usually more intelligent that then they are given credit for.01:34
lsuactiafnernikkia : either i date bcom CA (charterd accountant) girls or BA mbw (like they study physical fitness)01:35
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pedingtoHey folks01:35
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lsuactiafnertrade offs are =01:35
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mrpicklesdoes ubuntu ship with anything that can burn ISO's ?01:35
pedingtoJust installed ubuntu...got a slight problem...lol01:36
b_e_n_zmrpickles, nautilus01:36
ys76mrpickles: You are looking for Nautilus01:36
lsuactiafnermrpickles : cdrecord01:36
Alia25mrpickles, k3b is good.. just apt-get that01:36
pedingtoThe screen size is very small...01:36
lsuactiafneri had trouble burnin a dvd the other day, like making an exact duplicate.. anyone know whats the best commandline for it?01:36
KillerSmurfwacomcpl is a way of setting items for wacom tablet pads.   Is there a way to save the sttings as a default?01:37
mrpicklesthanks all01:37
lsuactiafnerpedingto : press control alt +01:37
mrpicklesNautilus ?01:37
Alia25I have a laptop, what packages do i install to controll the wireless functions?01:37
ys76lsuactiafner: Hm, dd and growisofs did the job for me01:37
mrpicklesi closed the window and can't remember the spelling01:37
pedingtoNope.  That didn't work :/01:37
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pedingtoI've had similar problems before with linux.01:37
naliothunome: nothing reality shaking, just a slip of the context menu01:38
lsuactiafnerah ues now i remember growisofs01:38
ys76Alia25: try iwconfig it is already there01:38
joi think i gif it up01:38
pedingtoI managed to get it to work on a livecd of knoppix, but its not quite working here.01:38
joafter 10 oures of urbuntu01:38
joyes tfor logitech web cam driver gr01:38
lsuactiafnergrowisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso for a duplicate?01:38
joi do that in gentoo in 10 sec01:38
lsuactiafnerjo : then use gentoo?01:39
ys76lsuactiafner: I have to look it up..01:39
pedingtoAhh, the screen res for some reason won't go higher then 640x480.01:39
joyes wil boot in to it01:39
jodonit get v4l101:39
join here01:39
lsuactiafneror wite a bug fix01:40
jowebcam wont work01:40
budluvaanyone have alsa problems with alsa on 2.6.10 kernel?01:40
Alia25thanks, ys7601:40
ys76jo: If it worked with gentoo, why don't you try to use the gentoo-kernel in ubuntu?01:40
budluva2.6.10-5-386 to be exact01:40
ys76Alia25: You're welcome01:40
lsuactiafnerpedingto : edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and look for a line called Modes01:40
lsuactiafnerbudluva : no problems with alsa.01:40
lsuactiafnerbut i use 2.6.12 i compiled myself01:41
lsuactiafnertry lsmod and maybe you will see the wrong module loaded?01:41
lsuactiafnerand make sure the correct one is loaded01:41
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joi doint like the how tos fron urbunto http://ubuntuguide.org/#manualupdate i look ther but man o man 90% is not working01:41
budluvalsuactiafner, via82cxxx              12956  101:41
budluvalsuactiafner, seems like the right module for my snd card01:42
jolsmod the modules are loded01:42
budluvasnd_via82xx            25248  201:42
jobut in gnomeeting v4l201:42
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budluvathere's a bunch of other snd_ modules too, they all seem to be loaded fine01:42
joandt that wont to load only my tv kaardt01:42
lsuactiafnerdude dont paste i just guide you to a possible solution, i dont know much about alsa or the ubuntu kernels since i make my own things as i need it01:43
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budluvai checked xmms and its using alsa as my output, and i've checked my speaker wires, and all sound volumes, xmms doesnt give me any errors when playing the song, just nothings comin out01:43
pedingtookay lsuactiafner I'm at modes01:43
jonot my web cam01:43
gorthaugwell bye01:43
lsuactiafnerbudluva : run alsamixer01:43
jo snd_usb_audio,snd_usb_lib,pwc,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd01:43
ys76jo: What's thet pwc module for?01:44
limerI changed video cards from a gf4mx to an ati and now I can't load X.  what do I need to do?01:44
lsuactiafnerpedingto : add something along the lines of "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1280x854" "1280x800" "1280x768" "1200x800" "1152x864" "1152x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"01:44
jologitech web cam 4000pro01:44
lsuactiafnerpedingto : i think you will need to restart X, so press control alt backspace and dont phreak out..01:44
lsuactiafnerit wil come back..01:45
ys76jo: try to unload and reload it and have a look at dmesg. It should mention the device, your webcam ist broadcasting on01:45
pedingtoHrm, it is all there lsuactiafner .01:45
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jopwc Logitech QuickCam 4000 Pro USB webcam detected.01:47
lsuactiafnerpedingto : ok then you need to look for a line VertRefresh01:47
lsuactiafnerand HorizSync and check that those accurately describe your monitor01:48
jobut stil not working01:48
ys76jo: Have a look at the few lines before and after this entry. There should be a hint, which device to use01:48
iznogoodjo: did you give v4l the right option, the right video device e.g.01:48
jodonit have  v4l1 but 201:49
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joyes i no how to set it up but i think its bug01:49
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jopwc Logitech QuickCam 4000 Pro USB webcam detected.01:49
jopwc Registered as /dev/video0.01:49
ys76That's nice, so it is detected properly01:49
pedingtolsuactiafner: I know this is going to sound stupid, but those lines aren't in the file.01:49
iznogoodand to which device is your tuner card registerd?01:49
lsuactiafnerpedingto : they are..01:50
ys76jo: Try to use xawtv to test your cam01:50
pedingtoI'm reading the file now...lol01:50
lsuactiafneraround Section "Monitor"01:50
lsuactiafnershould be before the part where you found modes01:50
ys76jo: xawtv -hwscan should list ist01:51
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lsuactiafnerwell... suppose thats why you cant change resolutions.. ok pedingto before you break something back the xorg.conf file up01:51
orogoranyone can connect to ssh on miochons.com ?01:52
pedingtolol already done ;)01:52
jo xawtv wont in stal01:52
joman o man01:52
lsuactiafnerunder Section "Monitor" add the lines, this is only an example and if you use the incorrect lines you could break things01:52
lsuactiafner        HorizSync       30 - 71.001:52
lsuactiafner        VertRefresh     50-15001:52
ys76jo: And xawtv -c /dev/video0 should your grinning face on the mointor...01:52
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joi no01:52
lsuactiafnerthose numbers should be in the monitors manual or on the back of the monitor01:52
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ys76jo: Any hints why it won't start?01:53
jomust by01:53
pedingtoI'm running a laptop....01:53
joits flikering01:53
jothe lamp01:53
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jotan go out01:53
ys76jo: Did you try to start it with a higher debugging level?01:53
resiakStop hitting01:53
resiakenter every01:53
resiaktwo words01:53
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magicianhelp me01:54
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jofust pis andt smook01:54
magiciani have a problem whit ubuntu01:54
magicianwhit my graphic card...01:54
ys76jo: Did -hwscan list your devices01:54
resiakmagician: What _is_ the problem?01:54
magiciani cannot change resolution of ubuntu01:54
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ruztywill linux run .exe files?01:55
magicianonly 640 x 468001:55
resiakmagician: Why did you need the preamble there?01:55
lsuactiafnerman thats an annoyin problem, breezy really needs a tool to set resoluions01:55
ys76ruzty: No, it won't01:55
jono xatw wont instal01:55
orogorthere s  zine01:56
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joeating to01:56
orogorthere s  wine01:56
pedingtoThis is a problem I've had with several distro's01:56
ys76jo: Ok, did you try apt-get update?01:56
ruztytrying to install a donloaded windows over it for the moment01:56
pedingtoThe only one I got it working in was knoppix.01:56
resiakIs Mono in Ubuntoy?01:56
ruztyand i can't find an image01:56
joys76  did that 1000 times01:56
rifficubuntoy ?01:56
joReading package lists... Done01:56
resiakSorry, a freudian slip ;)01:56
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iznogooddid you also do an, apt-get upgrade?01:57
joE: Couldn't find package xawtv01:57
KillerSmurfwacomcpl is a way of setting items for wacom tablet pads.   Is there a way to save the sttings as a default?01:57
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jo0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.01:57
stuNNedso i can 'apt-get source package' in a dir, then tar zxvf original_package, cd to that dir, apply a patch, then run 'dpkg-buildpackage' within that dir and all is well and dandy?01:57
KyralaptS xawtv01:57
timwindows is the worst thing in the world01:57
iznogoodand if you try "apt-cache search xawtv" ?01:57
zenlunaticlets report ruzty to piracy@microsoft.com01:57
timis anyone else using window on sata drives?01:58
Kyraldamn, thats my alias for apt-cache search :P01:58
ys76Kyral: Why not aptitude search?01:58
Kyralsee, thats the problem with alias, you start using them, then you go to fix someone else's system and you are like "WTF are these commands?!"01:58
ruztythx anywho01:58
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jo apt-cache search xawtv01:58
joliblircclient0 - LIRC client library01:58
timI need help if anyone is, because everytime I use grub to change the mbr, windows refuses to load the sata drivers01:58
ys76Maybe jo hasn't enabled multi- or universe yet...01:59
Kyralys76: I dunno aptitude just didn01:59
honorI ruined up my filesystem first my bootpartition was read only after that I can't get grub anymore how to fix this?01:59
Kyral't do it for me01:59
naliothKyral: "why does this machine not work?!"01:59
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budluvawhat mpeg plugins do i need for mp3 playback in xmms?01:59
KyralI like apt-get and apt-cache, works fine01:59
Kyralbudluva: w32codecs01:59
jpHi guys, I just restarted my pc, and there was a partition verification, now when I go to home/jp/x  there's not the most important stuff for me, I lost 500 mbs of pics and some videos cool im happy :)01:59
ys76jo: Did you enable multi/ universe?01:59
jpI wanna cry  :(01:59
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jphow can I recovery that data?02:00
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jono doint thinkzo02:00
joi niuwbie man02:00
ys76Kyral: I am fine with these tools too, but nearly anyboda else is using aptitude...02:00
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KyralLinux is all about choices :D02:00
Victuswill my performance be affected by leaving kde lib on the system?02:00
joso multi/ universe google i think02:00
KyralI removed Synaptic too :D02:01
resiakVictus: No, only your disk spatce.02:01
Kyralactually, can I remove aptitude?02:01
ys76Kyral: Give it a try!02:01
honorIs there a way to fix my ubuntu wirh the ubuntu livecd?02:01
orogoranyone can tell me if there s something special to do on ubuntu to get ssh to work .?02:01
jphow can I recover my lost data?02:01
resiakjp: Look in /lost+found02:02
orogormy port is open and i cqn connect to it on local02:02
ys76jo: It is somewhere in ubuntulinux.org's wiki02:02
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KyralBAD IDEA!02:02
orogorbut i am behind a router and it doesn t works outside02:02
orogorand the port is forrwarded02:02
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jpresiak jp@shawn:/lost+found $ du -sh >> 48K     . >> jp@shawn:/lost+found02:03
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ys76Kyral: Why ist this a bad idea? It will remove aptitude and a meta-packet called ubuntu base02:03
resiakjp: You do of course have backups, yes? Seriously, I learned the hard way too.02:03
ys76Kyral: So it won't harm you.02:04
Victusanother question: I installed the mplayer plugin for mozilla but it crashes each time I try o view a quicktime file--has anyone else had this problem ?02:04
Kyralyah, but isn't ubuntu-base == CRITICAL?02:04
jpI don't like backup 'cause I don't have so much space of hd resiak02:04
resiakjp: So you get more.02:04
DonLVictus, mine just crashes sometimes, but I haven't been able to find out why02:04
Victusahh thanks02:05
KyralWait for a sale at CompUSA :D02:05
jpresiak so gift me a new hd 'cause I'm poor resiak fuck you.02:05
Kyralgot a 300 GB HD for about 15002:05
orogoranyone can connect to ssh on miochons.com ?02:05
Kyraljp: Language02:05
iznogoodnobody's gonna fuck no'one please02:05
orogorand tell me if it works from outside02:05
ys76Kyral: ubuntu-base is just a meta-paket02:05
Victusdoes kaffeine work better for quicktime?02:05
Kyralorogor: Passwd & Username?02:06
resiakjp: Sorry, that came out sounding much harsher than I intended, I'm sorry. I just meant that this stuff happens, so it's crucial to at least burn stuff that matters to CD.02:06
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orogorKyral,  u can establish a connexion ?02:06
DonLVictus, I found the only thing that works at all is MPlayer, but I may not have given the others a good try02:06
djsorogor: I just tried and got to the point where it asks for a password.  Looks like it's working02:06
naliothVictus: do you have libquicktime installed?02:06
ender_whats the correct way to extract a .zip ?02:07
orogorit doesn t works from where i am02:07
resiakender_: unzip02:07
Kyralyah, I got to the RSA Verification stage02:07
resiakender_: (or file-roller)02:07
ys76Kyral: Do an aptitude show ubuntu-base and read the last few lines02:07
orogorfrom another comp on the network02:07
orogordjs,  do u think i need  bind or something ?02:07
resiakorogor: Can you ping it?02:07
Kyralys76: Oh02:08
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Kyraland it will prolly get reinstalled anyway when I get to Breezy in Oct02:08
jpI want to die I lost the mos importan stuff for me02:08
orogorresiak, i van ping only domain02:08
orogorresiak, not computer.do;ain02:08
Victusyes I have libquicktime02:09
orogorresiak, not computer.domain.com02:09
lsuactiafneromg ppl, its possible to do this.. nice -n 20 mplayer64 fight_club.avi -fs -rootwin -loop 0 -nosound -hardframedrop -lavdopts lowres=1 -vfm ffmpeg02:09
resiakorogor: Then that could be your problem. Try using its ip rather than hostname?02:09
lsuactiafnerhave a movie play as the X desktop background02:09
resiaklsuactiafner: Where did you just read that? Someone else just mentioned that to me02:09
orogorresiak,  that works02:09
orogorresiak, but i am behind a router02:10
lsuactiafnerresiak : #mplayer02:10
Efwishelp, need to change GRUB to load windows as primary and not Ubuntu, but the directions given in the unofficial guide dont' work, any ideas02:10
resiaklsuactiafner: Ahhhhh, djm hangs there too02:10
orogorEfwis, use lilo02:10
lsuactiafneruses around 3-4% of my amd64 3200 processor02:10
resiakorogor: And there's your problem! :)02:10
orogorresiak, huh ?02:10
resiakorogor: Sounds like the name resolution stuff is messed up02:11
orogorresiak, humm02:11
Efwisany other route besides LILO??02:11
jp I want to die I lost the most important stuff for me, only for restart by power button, that never happened to me on windows xp, that's why I did it on linux, trsting on linux02:11
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jpi'm just crying02:11
mrpicklesHELP- I just installed nautilus through apt-get install nautilus gnome-panel-, and i seriously think it fucked up my install02:12
naliothEfwis: in the future stay away from ubuntuguide02:12
resiakjp: Bad luck...02:12
DonLjp, it's happened to me more times than I can count. I've learned a lot though02:12
mrpickleshow do you take a screenshot through shell terminal?02:12
naliothEfwis: google has very good info on changing your grub02:12
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naliothEfwis: as does https://wiki.ubunut.com02:12
naliothEfwis: its really https://wiki.ubuntu.com02:12
sorush20hi.. guys is anyones screen savers jumpy in Ubuntu,02:13
mrpicklesHELP- I just installed nautilus through apt-get install nautilus gnome-panel-, and i seriously think it fucked up my install02:13
concept10Efwis, you want to make windows default?02:13
sorush20its just that I have a machine laptop that doesn't have a jumpy screen saver where as on my pc WITH on board graphics its jumpy...02:14
sorush20can anyone help....02:14
jayparadiseso the higher the nice value the more resources the process consumes, or the lower?02:14
nikkiajay, lower02:14
sorush20The Graphics Onboard my pc is SIS02:14
Efwisactually it for a friend of mine02:14
jayparadisei just did the opposite of what i wanted02:14
nikkia-20 == more resources, +20 = less02:14
jayparadisei want to increase vmwares priority02:14
sorush20I didn't have this problem with windows...02:15
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nikkiaonly root can set negative nice values02:15
DonLsorush20, when you say jumpy do you mean less frames per second? If so, maybe you're not running in accelerated mode02:15
mrpicklesHELP- I just installed nautilus through apt-get install nautilus gnome-panel-, and i seriously think it fucked up my install02:15
concept10Efwis, sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst  - read the comments02:15
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sorush20donl: could you please point me in the right direction to see if I can fix the problem...02:15
concept10mrpickles, first off stop posting that02:15
concept10mrpickles, second, state your problem02:16
jayparadiseok now it says  old priority 19, new priority -2002:16
jayparadiseso it should speed vmware up02:16
naliothmrpickles: please give it a rest02:16
DonLsorush20, I'm not the best at this, but can you tell me what video card you're using?02:16
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nikkiajay, it might, or it might not :)02:16
jayparadiseand i gues slow the rest of linux down02:16
nikkiajay, priorities are a guideline to the schedular, at best02:16
nalioths_dogmrpickles: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.02:16
concept10mrpickles, state what has happened after the install02:17
orogorresiak,  is there  anything in the default ssh config of ubuntu that would restrict access to locales adresses only .?02:17
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mrpicklesbefore i installed nautilus, gnome had basically two panels that were part of the interface.  The ones that were at the bottom of the screen and the one at the top.  Now I intalled nautilus and those panels are gone.  I am entirely confused and worried.  I would simply lik to konw how to get rid of nautilus if that is possible.02:17
ogami1972hey folks- what's is yer sources.list?02:17
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TokenBadapt-remove nautilus?02:17
sorush20donl, its an asrock onborad graphics chip..02:18
concept10dont do that02:18
mrpicklesI'm new to linux02:18
jayparadiseit seems to be going faster now02:18
mrpicklesdont apt-remove nautilus ?02:18
concept10mrpickles, can you right click and bring up a menu02:18
resiakorogor: No. I am now going to sleep02:18
concept10mrpickles, dont remove02:18
mrpicklesok sure02:18
ys76ogami1972: The sources.list contains all the repositories which are used to istall software02:18
jayparadiselinuxis a monster ive filled myead with so much info sense i first began linux and still dont know half of it02:18
concept10mrpickles, can you right click and bring up a menu02:19
mrpicklesyeah, so the right click menu is the only menu i have?02:19
mrpicklesyes i *can* right click and bring up a menu ^^02:19
DonLSorry, sorush20 , can't help you there. What happens when you go to a terminal and type glxgears?02:19
concept10mrpickles, open terminal and restart nautilus02:19
mrpickleswhat is the command to restart nautilus ?02:19
sorush20Donl: okay.. wait thanks..02:19
Victusyes I have libquicktime02:20
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jayparadiseon windows i was obsessed with obtaining maximum performance so this nice command is ...... no pun intended nice02:20
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ogami1972well, yes, but apparently backports is down, and nerim is n't working either- i just want to be sure i'm up to date02:20
sorush20Donl.. there are three gears running very fast then slow.. then fast..02:20
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DonLHow many frames per second, sorush20 ?02:21
jayparadisedoes ubuntu automaticailly backup? ive noticed cron-daily and monthly in etc02:21
mrpicklesconcept10, what is the command to restart nautilus ?02:21
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Victuswhats the command to enable dma on the cdrom ?02:21
concept10mrpickles, try this: killall gnome-panel02:21
sweepzHey. i have lost my root password so i need to use the sudo command but how fo i use it02:21
mrpicklesgnome-panel: no process killed02:21
sorush20Donl; it depends on the size...02:21
concept10Victus, hdparm -d1 /dev/whatevercdrom is02:21
oofnikhey everyone, what is the difference between static link and dynamic link?02:22
sorush20Donl, its 16 on the large size and small it was about 36702:22
concept10mrpickles, ps aux | grep nautilus              is it running???02:22
DonLsorush20, assuming you do have a problem with accelerated graphics (and I think you do) maybe until someone else can help, go to your screensavers and disable any GL ones02:22
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sweepzi wanna make my accouns that i using atm admin but what do i type after "sudo"02:23
Emanam not sure if am in the correct page, i need help to use bash02:23
mrpickles1000      7881  0.2  3.7  38736 19484 ?        Ssl  20:11   0:01 nautilus --no-default-window --sm-client-id default302:23
mrpickles1000      7903  0.0  0.1   2216   732 ?        S    20:11   0:00 /usr/lib/nautilus-cd-burner/mapping-daemon02:23
mrpicklesroot      8091  0.0  0.1   3032   716 pts/1    S+   20:23   0:00 grep nautilus02:23
mrpicklesi think so02:23
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concept10mrpickles, wait one second02:24
naliothsweepz: you can use system > admin > users and groups  if you like point-n-clik02:24
naliothEman: what kind of help?02:24
oofnikanyone know how to get xmms to play musepack files?02:24
lsuactiafnersweepz : i dont think you want a user running firefox or some network app with admin privilages02:24
Emanamm well, maybe its a little silly problem02:24
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Emanam trying to make a little bash program02:25
concept10mrpickles, type nautilus in terminal and see if they come back02:25
lsuactiafnerjust keep a root terminal open if you hate sudo02:25
sorush20Donl: here is the link to the motherboard I'm using its http://www.asrock.com/product/product_p4s61.htm02:25
Emanbut since i just got ubuntu, or linux02:25
Emani really dun know the sintax02:25
pedingtolsuactiafner: I'm still having this issue with the resolution...I'm trawling for information about it.  But I can't seem to find a work-a-round.02:25
ender_how do I unzip into a directory?02:25
naliothEman: here ya go http://www.google.com/search?q=bash+howto+site%3Atldp.org&ie=UTF802:25
mrpicklesi typed nautilus02:25
mrpicklesand i got this02:25
Emannice hx xD02:25
mrpickles(nautilus:8112): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:02:25
mrpicklesAuthentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.02:25
mrpicklesand then it brought up a window "root" with 3 files in it02:26
Emanlol google the answer of the gods =)02:26
pinkoif someone cares to explain--02:26
pinkois there anything especially secure about using sudo?02:26
naliothEman: google, the first stop on the curiosity train02:26
concept10mrpickles, did your panels come back?02:26
mrpicklesno they did not02:26
Eman /msg nickserv register ffantasy02:26
ender_I used just unzip foo.zip and got like 100 files on my desktop =(02:26
naliothpinko: yes, it keeps mistakes down to a minimum02:26
jayparadisewhen trying to display files using wildcards, ex: ls -l e* how do you get it not to display recursivley02:26
pinkofrom the user, ok.02:26
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concept10mrpickles, you should try to log out and back on.  Dont save the current session.  They should come back02:26
naliothender_: with zips, you should usually make a folder esp for unzipping them02:27
pinkoit's not intended as a protection against outsiders?02:27
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mrpickleswhat is command to log out to the log in menu ?02:27
concept10mrpickles, if not, get back in terminal and run xchat and comeback here02:27
zooplehello all. newbie here :-)02:27
naliothender_: tar.gz and tar.bz2 files usually pop out with their own folders02:27
naliothpinko: no, its protection of the system from the user02:27
concept10mrpickles, ctrl+alt + backspace02:27
jayparadisewhat did he want to do02:28
zooplehas anyone ever had a: "Failed to initialize HAL" error on boot [dist: Hoary] 02:28
jayparadiseim guessing not that02:28
concept10jayparadise, he is trying to get his panels back, he needs to restart nautilus02:28
jayparadiseoh he did02:28
virguleSorry zoople, I cant do that02:28
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jayparadisehe wanted to get to g/kdm02:28
jayparadisethat was quick02:28
mrpicklesthe panels didn't come back02:28
jayparadisewhat are you running man02:28
zoopleah ok virgule02:29
Linux_Manping me02:29
Eman_rpgo yeah by the way when i use cfdisk i get an error02:29
jayparadisehow fast is ur processer picckels?02:29
concept10mrpickles, run ps aux | grep nautilus again02:29
Eman_rpgu know how can i fix thar?02:29
jayparadisei didnt know ubuntu had cfdisk02:29
zoopleive had a hunt around, general consesis seems to be that it is a DVD writer problem, but not sure how to fix02:29
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concept10mrpickles, you dont have any panels?02:29
jayparadisecool it does02:29
Eman_rpgit does xD02:29
mrpicklesno panels, except the one when i right click02:30
jayparadisecfdisk owns02:30
pedingtoin xorg.conf what does "DPMS" mean under options?02:30
mrpicklesps aux | grep nautilus gives me exactly the same message02:30
Eman_rpgbut i wanna get the id of one of the partitions of the HD to mount ssome02:30
jayparadiseredners fdisk obsoluete02:30
pedingtounder section monitor02:30
mrpicklesbut still no panels02:30
jayparadisedpms is um02:30
jayparadisedots per minute02:30
jayparadisei think02:30
DonLsorush20, I just did a google search on the Real graphics AGP in your system, and it seems other Linux users are having problems with acceleration with it as well02:30
jayparadiseit has to do with .....iforgot02:30
concept10mrpickles, post the first one again02:30
virgulewhoa Linux_man ping reply: 67.92s02:31
mrpickles1000      8293  1.2  3.7  38492 19180 ?        Ssl  20:28   0:00 nautilus --no-default-window --sm-client-id default302:31
mrpickles1000      8325  0.0  0.1   2216   732 ?        S    20:28   0:00 /usr/lib/nautilus-cd-burner/mapping-daemon02:31
mrpicklesroot      8379  0.0  0.0   2904   484 pts/1    R+   20:29   0:00 grep nautilus02:31
mrpicklesis what im getting now02:31
pedingtoNo worries jay, thanks for the help.02:31
jayparadiseid say dont do that mrpickles02:31
concept10mrpickles, do you see that --no default window switch in there?02:31
zenlunaticisn't having DeCSS on your computer and using it illegal?02:31
naliothzenlunatic: depends on where you live02:31
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jayparadisein a chatroom on 450 5 lines or more can get you kicked02:31
pedingtoTrying to figure out how to make this silly thing able to work in a higher res.02:32
DonLsorush20, look at this : http://www.yoper.com/forum2/lofiversion/index.php/t6615.html02:32
mrpicklesi think i see a no default window sm client02:32
jayparadisei wonder why knoppix has X errors with me yet ubuntu and debian dont02:32
concept10Well, I assume the first switch is your problem, I had it before, dont panic lemme figure this out02:32
pedingtolol - I've only managed to get X to work in 1024x768 on knoppix, but not ubuntu so far.02:33
zenlunaticjayparadise: because knoppix is not debian nor ubuntu perhaps?02:33
jayparadisebased off02:33
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jayparadisei have to set xvrefresh xsever and xmod'02:33
virgulepedingto: Do you have the Modelines setup correctly?02:33
zooplehey people..what is the go with mp3 players for ubuntu02:33
mrpicklesim still here concept1002:33
naliothzoople: what?02:33
jayparadisesoftware patents02:34
pedingtoto be honest virgule, I don't know.02:34
mrpickleszoople, do apt-get install xmms02:34
zooplewould like an mp3 player for ubuntu..jus t thought id get advice on it02:34
jayparadisehey whats the deal with dvds on ubuntu lol02:34
riffictry out amarok02:34
rifficits qt based, but it is pretty good02:34
jayparadiseas in whats the apt-get for dvds02:34
mrpicklesamarok = the leet02:34
zoopleill try mrpickels thants02:34
jayparadisemplayer kind of works02:34
naliothzoople: there are plenty, and like opinions, everone will tell you different02:34
naliothzoople: do you have universe and multiverse enabled?02:35
zoopleah ok :-) ya, its cool..just thought id get a few02:35
jayparadisebut i have to go to the actual vod file rather than just hitting play dvd, that always fails02:35
zooplei have no idea...v bad newbie here02:35
virgulepedingto: does ' cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Modeline' output something?02:35
nalioths_dogzoople: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support02:35
rifficxmms2 should be out soon as well02:35
nalioths_dogzoople: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto02:35
jayparadisezoople: i learned tihs like 3 days ago02:35
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jayparadisecheck the pastebin02:35
zooplethanks guys02:35
mrpicklesconcept10, I am just going to reinstall =( its not that bad02:35
concept10oh well,02:36
naliothmrpickles: are you familiar with the comand line02:36
zooplemy HAL problem is a pain in the ass, but i think that it is a bit advanced for me right now02:36
jayparadiseand just copy an overwrite you current /etc/apt/whatsitcalled.conf02:36
naliothpickles coulda removed all the crap via comand line02:36
concept10nalioth, he just needed to restart panel apps02:36
DonLI'm off for now. See you later.02:36
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sorush20guys how do I configure a wireless card....02:37
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jayparadiseiwhy does bash list recursivly when isuing ls with a wild card02:37
zoopleok next question :-p... good NTFS readers so that i can access my windows partition02:37
jayparadiselike ls -l a*02:37
sorush20the problem is that when I search for it it is there in the lspci, but it nowhere to be seen anywhere else can anyone help please..02:37
jayparadiseto see a files02:37
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zoopleoh shit02:38
zoopleinitgroups: Operation not permitted02:38
nalioths_dogzoople: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/windows_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically02:38
jayparadisei guess cus its a WILDCARD. but on other distros this wasnt hte case02:38
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Octaneanyone here get captive ntfs tow rok02:38
jayparadisemethinks ls -l a*/ will override that02:38
naliothzoople: you can't write to NTFS, without the great risk of total NTFS data loss02:38
Octaneit keeps hanging on "searching for X server for Glade"02:38
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zooplewow..ok thanks02:39
naliothOctane: i do not load windows system libs into my kernel, thank you very much02:39
zoopleill just read from it then02:39
Octanenalioth lol :)02:39
jayparadiseno one else finds this to be a problem02:39
rodrigoalguien entiende espaol,02:39
jayparadisenice i have M$ winD0ZE on vmware now02:40
Eman_rpgyo rodrigo02:40
jayparadisein the rare event i need soemthing unsupported i have a fix02:40
naliothrodrigo: hablamos espanol en #ubuntu-es02:40
jayparadiseTODO: procede to explore bsd and others with vmware02:40
jayparadisehell yea02:41
jayparadiseill see you guys later02:41
naliothjayparadise: nice? like havin a cobra in a cheap paper sack kind of nice?02:41
zooplegreat..now my Users and groups thing wont start up02:42
zooplemaybe i should reinstall02:42
concept10alright someone tell me how to chroot02:43
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zoopleinitgroups: Operation not permitted02:44
zoople ?????????/02:44
zooplebrb people02:44
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Octanewhen they say in the ubuntuguide to edit smbusers02:48
Octaneand add system_username = "network username"02:48
Octanesystem_username is my username on this box, but what's network username?02:48
naliothOctane: stay away from ubuntuguide02:48
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Octanenalioth: why02:48
naliothOctane: it will lead you back here02:48
mika5Hi I am new to Linux/Ubuntu, and was able to add JAVA support per the WIKI02:48
Octanegot a better place for a samba guide, i have friggin used it in AGES02:49
Octanemika5: congratulations02:49
mika5but now it does not know where it is02:49
naliothOctane: read item 3 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines02:49
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nalioths_dogmika5: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 02:49
oofnikhey guys i have a question about the repositories02:49
naliothmika5: that would be the self-extracting .bin file02:50
mika5that's exactly what I did and it worked, but now it doesn't02:50
naliothmika5: you ARE using a x86 install, right?02:50
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naliothwhat doesnt work?02:51
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mika5the JAVA_HOME  isn't in the PATH02:51
naliothmika5: you are confusing the wiki/ubuntuguide stuff with the ones above02:51
mika5my browser is looking for the java plugin02:51
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sara_poois anyone running e17 on ubuntu?02:51
naliothmika5: wait one02:52
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Kyralsara_poo: I have gotten it working, but not now02:52
caonexSeveas, 99% pass, and no errors, so it is not the memory02:52
naliothcaonex: Seveas is taking a nap02:52
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caonexnalioth, oh hehe...02:52
naliothmika5: you can type "java -version" at a terminal?02:53
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mika5JAVA_HOME is in my /etc/bash.bash.rc but looks like it was not executed02:53
mika5yes i can see version02:54
sara_pooKyral: whats changed?02:54
sara_pooKyral: and what window manager have you chosen instead02:54
mika5I don't know02:54
Kyralsara_poo: A complete system crash and a reinstall :D02:54
caonexnalioth, maybe you can help me, X is kicking me out and when I try to switch back to it, the computer freezes up. Seveas told me that when I get a segfault in X is due to probably because of bad memory.02:55
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Kyralyea, GNOME LD02:55
naliothmika5: how bout "ls /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/" do you see libjavaplugin_oji.so in there?02:55
sara_pooKyral: i'm not an ubuntu user yet, but i'm considering switching from gentoo02:55
sara_pooi run a high end amd 6402:55
naliothcaonex: how much memory is in your video card?02:55
KyralHow I have fought thee02:55
sara_pooKyral: whats wrong with gentoo?02:55
Razor-Xsara_poo: well, the products differ02:55
caonexnalioth, 32MB.02:55
Razor-XPortage kicks ass02:55
KyralWouldn't boot 1/3rd of the time :D02:55
sara_pooKyral: i'm actually happy with it, but always curious if i'd be happier with something else.02:55
naliothcaonex: could it be bad memory there?02:55
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caonexnalioth, I ran the memtest on his command, and no errors were returned02:56
Razor-XI haven't found a package manager even close to portage, aptitude is a far second02:56
sara_pooRazor-X: does ubuntu have something similar to portage?02:56
concept10I need to restore grub, I just loaded Ubuntu LiveCD, could someone tell me how I should mount and chroot?02:56
naliothcaonex: got a beater vid-card to throw in it for testing?02:56
Kyralsara_poo: Apt-Get02:56
Razor-Xsara_poo: it has a very very robust package manager, of course, but it doesen't compile source02:56
muttDCi have a question... when you type 'make' and it throughts out an error, does this mean that i'm missing some library??02:56
naliothcaonex: to my knowledge, memtest only works on system ram02:56
sara_pooRazor-X: why do you prefer portage over apt-get ?02:56
Razor-Xor have the myriad of optimization customizations that Gentoo allows02:56
mika5naliot: yes there is02:56
Razor-Xsara_poo: because it's so optimizable and customizable02:56
naliothmuttDC: that is one reason02:56
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muttDCand if thats the case, how can i see whats the library i'm missing in order to make 'make02:57
sara_pooRazor-X: hmm.....  i'm not sure if ubuntu is for me....02:57
Razor-XI can get a Gentoo system to run on my 'ol 486 with a stage 1 -O5 and some others02:57
Kyralsara_poo: I used to use Gentoo, and honestly, it runs the same speed, if not faster02:57
sara_pooRazor-X: i'll give it a shot, but if i can't tweak a use flag, etc. i'm not sure what i'll do02:57
naliothmika5: its seems that things are in order, im not gonna be much more help to you02:57
KyralUbuntu I mean02:57
Razor-Xsara_poo: you'll just download it like a good person? ;)02:57
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sladenRazor-X: unfortunately, on your 486 it'll take about 3 weeks to compile the thing...02:58
sara_pooRazor-X: ok, here it goes.  AMD64 ubuntu on it's way02:58
LinuxJonessara_poo, whnat are you using the system for ?02:58
Kyralsara_poo: No USE Flags, they are all precompiled binaries02:58
sara_poomy home desktop, but I'd like to install DB2 for practice (for work)02:58
mika5nalioth: like I said the PATH is not set for the JAVA_HOME though I have it in the bash.rc file02:58
naliothsara_poo: get to know "apt-get source -b <pkgname>"02:58
caonexnalioth, I doubt it, another thing that I have noticed is that, and what could be the proble, my +5 v is down to 4.5 and that is causing some kind of warning.02:58
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sara_pooI play some quake 3/doom 3 video games, ut2004, i run postgresql, hopefully db2 but i hate rpm systems02:58
LinuxJonessara_poo, you can always dual boot :)02:58
naliothmika5: it should be /home/mika5/.bashrc    not bash.rc02:59
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sara_pooI've heard of success stories about installing db2 on debian, so i think i can do it for ubuntu.02:59
naliothcaonex: yes thats a problem. time for a new 600w PS02:59
caonexnalioth, I think that is what has to do with the problem. Everytime I boot, latetely anyways, I get the message saying that there was a hardware problem to check the hardware monitor.02:59
caonexnalioth, you think that is just the power supply?03:00
jjbenhamI am having trouble with dhcp failing in the installer. It works in every other distro but debian.03:00
HrdwrBoBsara_poo: I played q3/doom3/ut2k4/wc3 all weekend on ubuntu :)03:00
sara_poocan you get cutting edge software more easily with ubuntu then with debian?   It's my home workstation, and I like to try some of the newer packages, cvs stuff... etc.03:00
HrdwrBoBand it runs fine03:00
caonexnalioth, could not it be, the motherboard not handling the power correctly?03:00
muttDCnalioth, and how can see exactly what's the error when i type 'make' ??03:00
naliothcaonex: you'll need to borrow a "nice" (not cheap) multimeter and test your PS03:00
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HrdwrBoBsara_poo: the software's never more than 6months old, and usually within two months of the release the unstable distro starts to become usable03:00
Kyralsara_poo: Install Breezy03:00
naliothmuttDC: it should crap out all kinds of errors into your terminal03:01
sara_poowhats breezy?03:01
caonexnalioth, and I mean look, my computer seems to be working fine now, but if I leave it idle, then I find it in the console and sometimes unable to control it.03:01
HrdwrBoBKyral: I wouldn't recomment that currently03:01
naliothsara_poo: a puddle of trouble03:01
sara_poolets install it03:01
naliothcaonex: start testing your PS03:01
KyralHrdwrBob: Was a joke :D03:01
mika5naliotH: i saw that it was empty s o I added the java in ~/.bashrc, log out several x and still not picking it up03:01
caonexnalioth, well, I do not know anybody to borrow it from ;)03:01
jjbenhamdhcp seems to not work on ubuntu for me. It works in gentoo and many other distros. What is the deal?03:02
mika5nalioth: how do I invoke it on the console?03:02
naliothcaonex: pull your supply and take it to a local puter shop03:02
naliothmika5: java -version03:02
sara_poojjbenham: what does an ifconfig -a show ya?03:02
mika5i mean the new .bashrc03:02
caonexnalioth, it probably will return the same as my motherboard, because it is measuring 4.5 as of now, it marks it red for the items to be alerted for.03:02
naliothcaonex: if the supply tests OK, its in the mobo03:02
naliothmika5: at a terminal in your home dir, type "source .bashrc"03:03
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djsconcept10: Still here?03:03
caonexnalioth, I see, puter huh? with time people will be saying ter!! and that will stand for computer, hehe03:03
jjbenhamsara_poo: thanks for responding. I am not in ubuntu at the moment.03:03
naliothcaonex: if the supply tests badly, and you get a new PS, it may fix the prob03:03
concept10djs, yes03:03
caonexnalioth, we tend to cut all the words...this is the first time i see that one though03:03
Victuswill apt inform if removing packages will break them ?03:03
djsconcept10: This might help you: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows03:03
naliothcaonex: what are you talking about?03:04
jjbenhamsara_poo: since dhcp failed I did this ifconfig eth0 netmask; route add default gw
concept10djs, thanks for the link, ill make sure to provide the same on the rebound03:04
djsconcept10: np :)03:04
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jjbenhamsara_poo: Then I did ping and I got wrong data byte #30 should be 0x1e but was 0x2203:04
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jjbenhamIs this a tulip module issue? Dhcp issue? ipv6 issue?03:05
naliothcaonex: if they charge for testing, buy a new PS, take it home, swap it out. if it works the old PS was bad, if it does the same with the new PS, the mobo is bad03:05
naliothcaonex: if the mobo is bad, take the new PS back for your money03:05
sara_poojjbenham: if your card shows up in an ifconfig -a , and your properly plugged in, etc, you sould be able to pick up an ip with either "dhcpcd" as root or "dhclient"03:05
sara_poojjbenham: do a dmesg to see if your card gets recognized too03:06
jjbenhamyeah it was recognized. I mentioned above how I manually configured it03:06
jjbenhamIt gives me errors when pinging the gateway03:06
jjbenhamsara_poo: wrong data byte #30 should be 0x1e but was 0x2203:07
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fivrethe lag! the lag!03:10
HrdwrBoBsara_poo: ubuntu uses dhclient by default03:10
HrdwrBoBjjbenham: sounds like there is something weird with your hardware03:11
jjbenhamthe same hardware works fine in debian 32 bit and gentoo, knoppix so far03:11
ampaldi have a question that might seem dumb, but im wanting to use ubunto. can i use any linux-based software with unbuntu? like a linux messenger etc?03:12
davidmccabeHey folks, where do I report security problems in Universe packages?03:12
jjbenhamthe amd64 bit version of debian has the same problem03:12
davidmccabe(eg, if the version in Universe should be updated for security)03:12
HrdwrBoBampald: yes03:12
naliothampald: almost all linux stuff you want (not the payware linux stuff <unless you pay for it>)03:12
Kyral*cough* Cedega *cough*03:13
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fivreI find it really annoying that there appears to be no monitor calibration program for Linux...03:15
fivreeverything's so dark03:15
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fivreHey, why is it that my nameservers don't work with my ISP's new assigned number, but work fine with the old one?03:16
sladenfivre: http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/02/07/2244242&tid=47&tid=26&tid=703:17
ampaldthnx BoB and nalioth :)03:17
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sladenfivre: probably because they're blocked to stop the wrong people using them!03:17
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fivrehow convenient03:18
fivrebut I'm a right people!03:18
fivreI pay for this horrible service!03:18
Victushow long does everyone think it will take for linux on the desktop to be able to fully eliminate the need for windows?03:19
zenlunaticVictus: why does it have to replace windows?03:19
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fivrewhatever amount of time it takes for WINE to work perfectly03:19
HrdwrBoBVictus: you can do it now03:19
sladenVictus: about 5 years ago03:20
lsuactiafnerVictus : competition is good, hopefully windows will always fill a ninche market, along with bsd and and apple ect03:20
virguleIt will never happen.. Windows is too deep and so widely spread03:20
fivreWindows is made by its apps, not the OS03:20
NigelSI'd say it's already eliminated the *need* for it in most cases but there are some killer apps that keep some people with windows03:20
virguleits hard to change people's mind better start early03:20
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fivreI still miss XiRCON-kano15b, foobar2000, and Logitech peripheral utilities...03:21
Victusyes but I mean native apps for quicktime and adobe03:21
fivreAnd I'm never going to adjust to the lack of middleclick=ctrl+T03:22
X7Chow do i kill the fish?03:22
ampaldwhere do most people download the programs they use for ubuntu? like word processor, music player, etc?03:22
X7Cthe thingie on ubnutu?03:22
fivrewhich is probably possible, I just haven't found it yet03:22
zenlunaticVictus: if ogg vorbis, ogg theora, and mpc were more widely adopted then it would be easier03:22
HrdwrBoBzenlunatic: why?03:22
HrdwrBoBzenlunatic: well, I know why03:22
HrdwrBoBbut it's not like the other codecs don't work03:23
NigelSsee now I personally find every little piece of hardware having its own configuration programs and little annoying thing that sits in the task bar to be very irritating.  Things just plug and play on linux (provided there's the driver support with the kernel)03:23
HrdwrBoBthey are just questionably legal03:23
zenlunaticHrdwrBoB: yes legal03:23
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lsuactiafnerampald : apt-get or synaptic03:23
lsuactiafnerjust run those programs..03:23
lsuactiafneryou will see03:23
lsuactiafnerbut i need sleep03:23
lsuactiafnerMon Jun 27 03:24:55 SAST 200503:24
fivreI'm still on Sunday...03:24
fivrewhere are you?03:25
HrdwrBoBfivre: I'm at work on monday03:25
lsuactiafnerwell monday exists so dont worry anymore03:25
ampaldits monday 11.20am here03:25
fivrewe should just all use GMT03:25
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lsuactiafnernight ppl03:25
fivreand live with the associated oddities03:25
zenlunaticHrdwrBoB: but its not like you can't watch a dvd on a dvd player or cd on a cd player03:26
HrdwrBoBzenlunatic: exactly03:26
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HrdwrBoBand it's also not like you need those features on a corporate desktop03:26
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Victusyes but for simple everyday usage those kinds of things are needed03:27
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concept10anyone know admin password for kubuntu live cd?03:28
NigelSif anything I think linux has more problems with the *need* question that Victus posed in the home.  The home user will use the gimp and kmail but it's certain corporate environments where they *must* use adobe photoshop and microsoft outlook/exchange server that you have problems.03:28
lsuactiafnerconcept10 : user passwd03:28
lsuactiafner 03:29:28 up  5:58, 19 users,  load average: 5.72, 5.25, 4.4503:28
lsuactiafnerbatch jobs runnin03:29
NigelSI mean, more problems in the office.03:29
fivrewell, look at the beginning of computing03:29
fivrewell, maybe a bit past that03:30
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fivreWindows wasn't really universal until 95 and NT 4.003:30
fivreat which point Mac kinda died03:31
NigelSsure, but apple has hung on by being first with some killer apps - notably graphics and DTP/CAD apps that mean that even though they were way more expensive than an IBM gray box with msdos/windows people still paid and continue to pay the premium03:32
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dave_hi room03:32
NigelSthat's the challenge of linux vs windows only windows saturated the market to such an extent with its model of business that they have so-called migration stopping apps in numerous fields03:32
dave_I have a question03:32
fivreindeed you do03:32
dave_how do you adjust screen resolution? I only have 640x480 option03:33
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NigelShmm, I noticed the hoary install didn't do a very good job of making people's X server config files03:33
muttDCwhere can i find deb's files?? (im trying to find the gift-ares plugin cause it gave me an error when i tried to install the source) ??, some repository somewhere?03:33
HrdwrBoBNigelS: depends03:34
NigelSwhen I tried a fresh install I had to fiddle with mine to get sane values03:34
fivreComputer>System Configuration>Screen Resolution03:34
lsuactiafnerNigelS : it did create the file.. just not the correct file lol03:34
dave_I've went there fivre but I do not get any other options but 640x48003:34
ubotu[resolution]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto03:35
fivredoes your monitor support anything higher?03:35
dave_my monitor does03:35
fivredoes ubuntu support your graphics card?03:35
NigelSdave_: yeah, you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add more resolutions.  They should have been put there by the installer but it seems it's not doing it right atm03:35
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fivreok, well, it worked for Warty03:36
dave_I have a nvidia gx520003:36
sabbathhow do I get a cool framebuffer console when I bootup? =)03:36
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dave_Nigels...how do I do that?03:36
fivrenow my arm is all wet03:36
Victuswith linux on the desktop though, eventually all codecs will be available natively-- I was asking when people think it will happen03:36
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naliothmuttDC: what program/lib are you after?03:38
sabbathi miss my little penguin and higher resolution that I had during boot-up with my slackware box03:38
muttDCnalioth, im trying to install ares plugin for giFT03:38
naliothmuttDC: is there a web page for that?03:39
NigelSdave_: that guide that the bot spammed will prob be best for you.  But if you want to add them yourself just use a text editor like gedit in gnome or emacs/nano/vim at the console and edit the file, adding more resolutions.  YOu will see the way to add them as the 640x480 will be written in already03:39
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muttDCnalioth, yes.. i tried to install the source but when i typed make it trought me out an error.. want the webpage for that project?03:40
naliothmuttDC: please03:40
muttDCnalioth, http://gift-ares.berlios.de/03:40
NigelSVictus: codecs are available natively now so to speak.  If you mean will they be available unencumbered by the license problems that make them unsuitable for free software purists then I'm not sure that will come about universally for linux.  I think certain distros like Xandros and Linspire will continue to do deals and get actual licensed dvd decoding though03:41
superkittyhow well will Ubuntu run on 128MB of ram?03:41
naliothNigelS: they are not available now03:41
naliothNigelS: i cannot use win32 codecs03:41
jasmuzsuperkitty: somewhat03:41
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NigelSwell it depends what codecs we're talking about.  I don't have any trouble with just about any format on the net - which ones are you thinking of nalioth ?03:42
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superkittyjasmuz that doesnt sound promissing03:42
cristianogud night :) somone can help me?03:42
jasmuzsuperkitty: instead of using gnome ...install Xfce03:42
xxtremesuperkitty, im running ubuntu on a P2 128mb at home03:42
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naliothNigelS: there aer some that dont work on ppc arch03:43
xxtremeits ok, nothing to brag about it works03:43
pestilenceduring install, it asks you whether the hardware clock is set to GMT or not.  i selected the wrong option.  how do i fix it?03:43
superkittyxxtreme i will be running it on a P3 with a 700mhz cpu03:43
cristianohow do i make my serial mouse works?03:43
xxtremesuperkitty, you'll do fine03:43
cristianomdetect doesnt work :~03:44
NigelSyeah, superkitty there are options for low resource systems if you like, but now-a-days gnome will be a bit clunky on a lower resourced system03:44
xxtremesuperkitty, in the future add some ram, its cheap03:44
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superkittyhow well does the OS configure modems?03:44
NigelSnalioth: ah I see, I guess not many will be running desktops with PPC into the future though I guess :)03:44
NigelSI thought job's keynote was funny :)03:44
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xxtremesuperkitty, it should do it for you03:45
naliothNigelS: that is a good point (although i've been thinking about a small 8xPower IBM box)03:45
xxtremesuperkitty, go for it03:45
oofnikcan anyone help me with xmms?03:45
ttyS0how to upload file on server using "ssh" utility? =)03:45
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pestilenceoofnik, just ask03:46
xxtremeoofnik, ask away03:46
NigelSttyS0: use scp/sftp03:46
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jasmuzoofnik: what is your issue03:46
naliothttyS0: just like ftp, 'get' and 'put'03:46
NigelSttyS0: which is part of the ssh suite if utils03:46
naliothttyS0: or you use 'sftp'03:46
dave_Nigel, please run by me again how to correct issue with resolution03:46
naliothmuttDC: do you have libgift on your system?03:47
dave_new to ubuntu03:47
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ttyS0ty :)03:47
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NigelSnalioth: yeah, I'm sure it's pretty cool - I guess PPC will still be around for a while - will become collectors items on ebay even for PPC mac things I suspect.  Jobs reckons *they* can transition in 2 years but the customers will take longer :)03:47
NigelShmm, maybe I should buy a PPC mac, keep it in pristine condition for 15 years :)03:48
NigelSdave_: there was a guide on the wiki for you, one sec03:48
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xxtremeNigel, and i just bought a PB, dangit03:48
muttDCnalioth, yes i also have the libgift-dev 'cause i needed it for the './configure03:48
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cristianohow do i make my serial mouse works?03:48
naliothNigelS: this one i'm using now (via ubuntu) is over 3.5 years old (from time i opened the box) and (besides a HD replacement) is still goin quit well03:48
cycomI love ubuntu.03:48
cycomjust thought you all should know03:48
naliothxxtreme: you will use your PB for a long long time03:48
NigelSdave_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto03:48
naliothxxtreme: NEVER regret buying a mac03:49
jasmuzcycom: WE ALL DO03:49
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naliothxxtreme: if you REALLY don't like it, sell it to me03:49
xxtremeNigelS, i'll be returning it next week, and ue my IBM T42 on the road03:49
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NigelSnalioth: cool, I was tempted to buy a PB a while back, I love their design but then I realised that I'm a student and have no money :)03:49
cycomNigelS: same here. I ended up with a compaq03:49
naliothxxtreme: sell it to me (unless the apple store will give you your money back)03:49
xxtremenalioth, im not complaining, trust me03:49
dave_nigel, says page does not exist yet03:49
Victusdoes anyone know how I can get evolution to display pictures in emails?03:50
jasmuzNigelS: we all lust for hardware03:50
naliothNigelS: the macs are well built (that i've owned) and last a good long time (from experience)03:50
xxtremenalioth, they will refund me03:50
virguleIts is the settings -> mail -> HTML -> always load images....03:50
oofnikalright.. i built a new input plugin for xmms, and it is in the correct directory, but xmms refuses to see it and i have no idea why03:50
rodrigouna pregunta como se entra al editor03:50
jasmuzive been lusting over an old laptop, like forever03:50
virguleor something alike ;)03:50
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naliothNigelS: i've owned 3 intel notebooks in the 3.5+ years i've had this one, and they all felt/were cheap03:50
jasmuzrodrigo: a cual editor te refieres?03:50
NigelSxxtreme: that's pretty cool - I can understand wanting to return it when faster PBs are sort of around the cornet03:50
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oofnikis there some sort of local plugin database for xmms or something?03:51
nalioths_dogdave_:  find out how you can change your display's resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto03:51
rodrigode las x03:51
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muttDCnalioth, thanks a lot man i already installed ares plugin ;)03:51
virguleI got it: images in Evolution: Edit->PreferencesMail Preferences->HTML Mail. look in this panel its there03:51
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NigelSnalioth: yeah, this is my parent's one that Ive borrowed while I'm at home and the keyboard and construction is quite cheap and nasty :)03:51
xxtremeNigelS= yeah, i can wait, for them, i just hope they have all the bugs out, when they ship off the first batch03:51
jasmuzrodrigo: xorgconfig03:51
naliothNigelS: faster pbs will ALWAYS be around the corner03:51
naliothmuttDC: great03:52
rodrigopara modicar del mouse03:52
NigelSnalioth: we're not talking brushed aluminium look here :)03:52
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jasmuzrodrigo: que mouse tienes?03:52
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naliothNigelS: the busted-plastic-aluminum-look?03:52
xxtremenalioth, are you hearing anything about PB G5's03:52
naliothxxtreme: never happen03:52
djsN0-De4th-Subst4n (cristiano): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SerialMouseHowto03:53
xxtremenalioth, dangit03:53
N0-De4thty djs  :)03:53
naliothxxtreme: freescale has revealed some 1.67ghz G4s (and whispers about dual-core G4s are heard)03:53
NigelSxxtreme: yeah :) they're using dual binaries for a while and also "rosetta" which is meant to do transparent PPC emulation on x86 for those binaries that are legacy03:53
NigelSshould be fun bug wise :)03:53
jasmuzrodrigo: que tipo de mouse es03:53
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zooplehello. newbie here. how do i become the admin on my comp. I installed it, but it seems that i dont have access to some things03:53
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NigelSthough at the keynote they demonstrated mathematica and said they'd ported it in 2 hours to x86 mac03:53
ubotuwell, root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo03:53
djsN0-De4th: yw :)03:53
xxtremeNigelS, so i guess just max out the ram, huh?03:53
naliothzoople: read waht ubotu said03:53
rodrigoel tipo me mouse es un genius03:53
NigelSnalioth: it's the chinese toy factory spare plastic parts look on this fujitsu siemens one03:54
Darkfusionso my friends comp starts up, goes to a blank screen, and then the ubuntu login shows up after a couple minutes, what should I tell him to do? He has no framebuffer.03:54
zoopleok :-) ill give it a read, thanks03:54
naliothNigelS: i don't care to discuss chinese x86 cheapness. i bought several and ran linux on em (til they crapped out)03:54
NigelSxxtreme: possibly, atm they're promising the world and claiming that the overhead is tiny but I'd wait and see03:55
NigelSthe latest version of Xcode is designed to make porting architectures easy apparently...03:55
jasmuzrodrigo: que raro que no te trabaja03:55
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oofnikahh lockup..03:55
naliothNigelS: yes, just tick the box03:56
xxtremeNigelS, im in construction, and for designs, and blueprints, you can't beat a Mac03:56
naliothNigelS: apple (via next) has a history of 'fat binarys'03:56
oofnikso no ideas on my xmms problem?03:56
xxtremeoofnik, u never asked03:56
virguleoofnik: remind me..03:56
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NigelSyeah, I watched the quicktime file of jobs demoing it on stage but as ever you have to wonder what kind of a beast he was using to run the programs03:57
oofnikhaha, i did, i said xmms didn't see all of my input plugins in the directory03:57
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rodrigosi no :; =?03:57
zoopleis it possible to log in as root?03:57
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oofniki just built one and it was installed in /usr/lib/xmms/Input.. but xmms doesn't see it03:57
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naliothzoople: possible but not advised03:57
virgulechmod ?03:57
Cyber23has anyone got those new ati drivers to work yet for Ubuntu03:57
naliothzoople: did you read that url?03:58
pietro_spinaxxtreme: You find any good linux apps for 2Dcad?03:58
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zooplebut dont really understand03:58
zooplelol...sill newbie03:58
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jasmuzoofnik: place it in your home/user/.xmms/plugins03:58
xxtremepietro_spina, freecad, this other one, let me check03:58
naliothzoople: if you log in as root, other users can trick you (or your puter) into doing bad things03:58
tiglionabbitsay, is there a way I can just run a graphical exe that's not an installer?  I forget if that's possible03:58
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naliothzoople: on the othe hand, "YOU" logged in as root constantly can do bad things to the system03:59
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naliothzoople: sudo is a 'safety net' for users03:59
zoopleah ok03:59
zooplethat makes sense03:59
naliothtiglionabbit: any linux app will run from the command line03:59
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tiglionabbitnalioth: I mean a windows exe04:00
HrdwrBoBit's a nice balance between 'root all the time' and 'ability to alter system settings'04:00
naliothtiglionabbit: i have no idea04:00
SpecialBuddywhat should I download for avi files04:00
nalioths_dogSpecialBuddy: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support04:00
tw|litwhere can i get firefox 1.04 debs  for ubuntu ?04:00
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unomewith root, a space slip can cost you the entire system. Imagine this rm -rf  /home/you/file.txt (notice the space)04:01
xxtremepietro_spina> check out www.graphiteone.com04:01
oofnikjasmuz it still does not work04:01
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Cyber23Can someone help me get my ati drivers working in Ubuntu04:01
tw|liti mean packages from the devel tree04:01
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virguleunome: what would it do?!04:01
jasmuzoofnik: no idea04:01
pietro_spinaxxtreme: Sweet, looking at freecad right now.... Looks much more mature than I recall04:01
unomevirgule: I mean rm -rf / home/you/file04:01
naliothtw|lit: at this time, you cant04:01
Cheraxanybody knows a guide on how to strip down ubuntu for an old laptop04:02
virgulelemme try that..04:02
zoopleso...for sudo, i just type in: sudo chown bob * and im all good04:02
naliothtw|lit: ubuntu ff 1.0.2 has the security fixes rolled into it04:02
xxtremepietro_spina> yeah, i remember the older versions04:02
tw|litnalioth: ok. thanks04:02
naliothzoople: yes, if you wanted to chown bob04:02
oofnikhm.. thanks any jasmuz, anybody want to help me figure out why xmms doesn't see all my input plugins?04:02
xxtremepietro_spina> dont forget graphiteone04:02
naliothCherax: do a server install04:02
zoopleso i write sudo chown root *04:02
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naliothCherax: then use a lightweight window mangler04:03
naliothzoople: its "sudo <command>"04:03
pietro_spinaaat: site not found... Googleing now...04:03
xxtremepietro_spina> www.graphiteone-cad.com   sorry04:04
pietro_spinaxxtreme: http://www.graphiteone-cad.com/en/   For your updated bookmarks...04:04
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rodrigoq puedo  hacer.,.  =?04:04
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pietro_spinaxxtreme: have you used either of those for a real project?04:06
oofniki think i found something, there is a libmpc.la file in the plugin directory, and it specifies the plugin's dependant libraries... maybe i don't have one of them?04:06
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netsniperwho needs help?04:06
netsniperim ready04:06
virgulenetsniper: I may have a challenge for you04:07
xxtremepietro_spina= freecad, 4 months ago, im really looking into graphiteone04:07
virguleXMMS run fine is Xfce4, crash in KDE but load and wont do anything in GNOME? So whats up?04:07
resiakvirgule: Sound daemons.04:08
xxtremepietro_spina>= i called them last week, and we're getting together soon04:08
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virgulelets kill the bad daemons04:08
netsnipervirgule, does it seg fault?04:08
Vinhnetsniper: its been pissing me for days but I can get nice msfonts working lovely for programs and etc but not for firefox surfing for somereason unless i use the firefox option "must use these fonts" then i see sites not met to been seen that way, countless number of linux i tried with koquer couldnt get working and now firefox.04:08
virgulein KDE it wont even load, in GNOME it load, start to play but promptly stop just befaore anything audible comes out04:09
virgulei got to xkill by then04:09
pietro_spinaxxtreme: I'm in an Auto cad world right now. But I dont suspect I'll ever afford it if I go out on my own...04:09
netsniperVinh, did you follow the ubuntuguide.org instructions for adding core MS fonts?04:09
xxtremepietro_spina>= they need promotion here in Miami, so I hope I can make a deal04:09
Vinhlike the fonts in firefox webpages, arent anti lised or something i think like msfonts04:09
Vinhnot smooth04:09
netsnipervirgule, did you try to debig with gdb?04:10
xxtremepietro_spina> r  u  licensed04:10
virgulei dunno how04:10
pietro_spinaxxtreme: Their UI looks like it could use some work....04:10
pietro_spinaxxtreme: starting exams next month...04:10
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Vinhhttp://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=1474&stc=1&thumb=1, http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=1476&stc=1&thumb=104:11
Cheraxnetsniper do you know how to do a strip down version of Ubuntu, like disable all the service04:11
Vinhthats what my fonts look like in firefox netsniper04:11
NeoGeo64whats the best kind of linux to put on a pentiumn100 with 16mb of ram and 1gb hdd04:11
xxtremepietro_spina> hey wait, until they meet with my company, i'll get back with you on them04:11
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ttyS0sorry for disturbing again. but... "configure: error: Unable to locate libglade" i've installed libglade 2.0...but...may be it wasn't enought. is it possible to install it using apt-get?04:11
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Vinhnetsniper: opps http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=229035#post229035 there you got, last page last post is me. 2 screenshots of my firefox surfing webpages there, as u can see fonts look yucky :(04:12
pietro_spinaxxtreme: I'm in the forums... feel free to send me a message... hopefully they'll show you some pimped out UI hehehe04:13
netsniperVinh, your pic is too small04:13
budluvaanyone here use ubuntu?04:13
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virguleor libglade2-dev?04:14
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xxtremepietro_spina> they better, cause Miami Beach is booming with construction04:14
budluvawoops, wrong window04:14
netsniperCherax, what services do you need  disable all you dont!  that's it04:14
_0killsmy little bro is installing Ubuntu on his system right now, hes gonna be on here soon04:14
Vinhsniper: that link i posted should have 2 pics, clic on it for larger version04:14
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oofnikto boot to runlevel 3 instead of 2, can i just type in 'kernel init 3' ?04:14
netsniperVinh, they were both small04:14
DerumIm having Trouble playing AVI, WMA, WMV etc on my computer, I was wondering How I would be able to watch/listen to these types of files. The thing that I don't understand is that I have all the W32codecs and things of the sort, I even have MPLAYER but it just doesnt seem to work, can anyone help?04:14
ookiisince i've just switched to ubuntu, i need to know the equivelancy of some windows programs, like what is the linux equivelant of dvd decrypter?04:15
oofnikDerum have you tried using xine and xmms?04:15
_0killsDerum, try VLC yet?04:15
budluvaookii, dvd::rip i think, i could be wrong04:15
Vinhnetsniper: hmm even this http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=229035&postcount=68 ?04:15
DerumVLC whats that?04:15
_0killsa media player04:15
virgulemplayer-like app04:15
DerumXine I haven't tried, and XMMS doesnt play any files but MP304:15
oofnikis vlc gtk2.4?04:15
_0killsDerum, just do sudo apt-get install vlc and youre good to go04:15
Derumok I will try that thank you04:16
netsniperVinh, the first two had get argumetns of "thumb=1"04:16
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netsniperyou linked me to the thumbnails..04:16
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_0killsDerum, and also, not always, but in some cases you will have to type: pkill esd for the sound to play in VLC04:16
Vinhnetsniper: ohh sorry04:16
pietro_spinaxxtreme: Isn't almost always though... Soo much  money flowing through that town04:16
oofnikguys how can i change my runlevel at boot04:16
Derumok I will remember that04:16
Derumis there a way where I can place that to automatic?04:17
oofnikis it 'kernel runlevel n' ?04:17
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terryhello can a real rank nebie ask questions here?04:17
netsniperVinh, your fonts look fine -- whats wrong?04:17
oofnikyeah terry go ahead and ask04:17
netsniperoofnik, init 3 ?04:17
_0killsterry, youve come to the right place04:17
xxtremepietro_spina> yeah, so i hope we can make a deal, so i can promote that software here, if its any good04:17
terryI am lost04:17
Derumcool its working04:17
Derumthank you again04:17
_0killsnp Derum04:17
oofniknetsniper, yeah i want runlevel 3 can i just type that at the grub prompt?04:17
terrycan't even seem to change my theme04:17
Cyber23Need some help with ati drivers04:17
oofnikwhen i change the boot options and such04:18
Cyber23can anyone help04:18
Derumbut like you said the sound isnt working04:18
bob2xxtreme: "promote"?04:18
Derumis there a way where I can get pkill esd to but automatic?04:18
netsniperoofnik, you mean you want it by default on very boot?04:18
_0killsDerum, in terminal type pkill esd04:18
netsniperevery boot?04:18
oofnikno netsniper just once04:18
bob2Cyber23: you followed wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto, right?04:18
_0killsDerum, to turn esd back on just type esd04:18
netsniperoofnik, go into command line and type "init 3"04:18
oofniki want to use runlevel 3 as a 'vnc server' mode04:18
_0killsDerum, i always turn esd off, its rarely ever on04:19
oofnikthanks netsniper i will go try that04:19
terrywhen i go to themes it lists several but when i select to install it asks me where it is .... not sure where to look04:19
netsniperoofnik, level 3 is single-user dude!04:19
Vinhnetsniper: it does? even the overclockers.com.au screenshot? looks much clearer and ease on the eye when surfing on ie/firefox in windows04:19
bob2Derum: syste -> preferences -> sound -> "start sound server", disable it04:19
bob2netsniper: er, no, it's not04:19
Derumoh ok thanks again04:19
bob2netsniper: level 3 is identical to level 2.  which is identical to level 4.  which is identical to...5.04:19
_0killsterry, the install option is only for adding new themes04:20
oofnikyeah, i thought it's like init 1 = halt, then init 2 - 5, then 6 is reboot04:20
bob21 = single-user mode, 0 = halt.04:20
_0killsterry, to select different themes just click on one04:20
oofnikok i'm going to try this04:20
terrywhy does it display seveal?04:20
netsniperthat was dumb...why did i say that04:20
oofnikif x is not running locally, will XDMCP still run in a vnc server?04:20
oofnikhaha netsniper it's all good04:21
_0killsterry, what do you mean?04:21
terryi have done that but it asks me to show it where the the files are04:21
oofnikterry are you trying to install a theme that you downloaded or what?04:21
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Ghete1Ok here is a really hard question. i need a sega saturn emulator that will run the cd's, not isos or anything04:22
netsniperGhete1, not gonna happen04:22
Ghete1oh come on!04:22
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resiakAre they standard CDs?04:23
Ghete1im sure its out there somewhere04:23
terrywell i tried to change my them from the default by selecting one in the theme preferences04:23
oofnikehh.. anyone know if XDMCP will still run in a vnc server if it's not running locally04:23
bob2the logical first step would be to find out if there arew any sega saturn emulators for linux at all04:23
Ghete1yes they are04:23
netsniperGhete1, go to Zophar's domain for some nice linux/win32 emus, but it wont run a CD directly04:23
bob2have you done that?04:23
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terrybut they don't install04:23
resiakGhete1: Just tell them to use /dev/cdrom as the iso image04:23
terryit opens a box and asks for a location04:23
Ghete1let me look around for a few min04:23
netsniperGhete1, i believe that Saturn had some special reader in the console04:24
_0kills...terry, when you select a theme it asks for a location?04:24
terrybut i have no idea where to look04:24
terrywe are talking I'm lost04:25
NeoGeo64im in runlevel 704:25
bob2there is no runlevel 7 in ubuntu04:25
netsniperGhete1, http://www.zophar.net/unix/saturn.html04:25
NeoGeo64i made one04:25
_0killsmy brother is installing Ubuntu, he has a wireless card, its asking for ESSID, any idea what that is?04:25
oofnikhaha runlevel 7.. what did you go and do that for04:25
bob2_0kills: ... the ESSID of your access point04:25
Ghete1netsniper: yeah im there04:25
oofnikyou have 3, 4, and 5 to mess with04:25
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NeoGeo64runlevel 7 is windows xp04:25
oofnikhah.. is that what you did04:26
terryoh i think i discovered04:26
resiakMy runlevels go all the way up to 11, etc.04:26
_0killsbob2, how do i find that out?04:26
NeoGeo64i need a crack for ubuntu04:26
NeoGeo64anyone got a keygen for horay04:26
terryyou just select and hit revert is that corect04:26
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bob2_0kills: you don't know the name of your AP?04:26
Ghete1neogeo64: i can lend you a cd key if you want04:26
oofnikneogeo that doesn't even make sense04:26
netsniper_0kills, iwconfig04:26
bob2NeoGeo64: please stop being silly04:26
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terryfelling kinda silly now04:27
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NeoGeo64the site im at is charging 9.99 to download ubuntu04:27
netsniperbob2, are you a Ubuntu developer?04:27
_0killsbob2, sorry man, im a noob, i dont even know what an AP is04:27
oofnikthen download it somewhere else? jeez it's linux04:27
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syndok i just put in a DVD drive.. and now what do i do to make sure its recognized and working correctly?04:27
bob2netsniper: depends how you define that.  I'm not paid to work on ubuntu, no.04:28
CheraxAction Points04:28
syndbob2: is anyone paid to work on ubuntu?04:28
HrdwrBoBsynd: yes04:28
bob2NeoGeo64: then go to releases.ubuntu.com to download it for free04:28
bob2synd: yes04:28
synddidnt know twhat04:28
terrythanks boys i will be back04:28
bob2_0kills: access point04:28
ajmitchthere are a few people who are paid for that04:28
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oofnikubuntu rocks too much to be completely free for the developers :)04:28
ajmitchand quite a few more who work on it as volunteers04:28
netsnipersynd, System -> Administration -> Device Manager04:28
_0killsbob2, is there a to check for it?04:28
_0killsis there a way*04:29
bob2_0kills: nevermind then, if it was your acess point, you'd know it04:29
bob2leave it blank04:29
oofniki'm going to try my init 3 i'll be back in a bit04:29
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netsnipermay be linksys04:29
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bob2among the volunteers is the lovely ajmitch!04:29
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_0killsbob2, then we will have to set it up after the install?04:30
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bob2if you don't know the essid, then it's presumably not your AP04:30
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netsniperVinh, i think your fonts look great!  no problems i see there04:30
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netsniperbob2, linksys default ssid is "linksys"04:31
ajmitchbob2: lovely? there must be something in the water over there..04:31
Varangercrimsun: are you here?04:31
bob2netsniper: yes, I know04:31
_0killsk, thanks, is there a man on essid and AP so i can learn what they are, because those are new to me04:31
Varangernetsniper: I changed it to dlink :)04:32
bob2no, there's not04:32
netsnipernetsniper, my SSID here is FUCKYOU!, to tell those wiley hackers to get lost04:32
Varanger_0kills: what do you need?04:32
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Vinhnetsniper: k04:32
_0killsVaranger, just information, i have no idea what an ESSID is04:32
drfer57eesid and ap are wireless terms04:33
Varangernetsniper: I used to have a neighbour that has a dl speed more than 10 times mine....04:33
netsniperwhat is the difference between using the temrs essid and ssid?04:33
drfer57netsniper - shame on you04:33
nalioth_0kills: AP could be "access point"04:34
Varanger_0kills: Every wireless network has a name or "ESSID"04:34
_0killsbob2, Varanger, so without setting the ESSID will his internet work?04:34
Vinh[1] +  Stopped                 ftp <-- does that mean i can resume it again?04:34
_0killsif not, how can we set it up?04:34
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bob2_0kills: no, not at all04:34
netsniper_0kills, you can set the essid to "ANY" and it will put up the one with best strength04:34
netsniperbob2, yes "ANY" will fix it04:35
jncerr... any good reason that NFS would disconnect constantly on autofs?04:35
jncthis is like a recent thing that's happening04:35
jnci don't know where to track down the trouble04:35
bob2which is not the same as "without setting the ESSID"04:35
netsniperVinh, yes, hit "fg"04:35
netsniperbob2, "ANY" is set by default04:35
davidmccabeHey folks,04:36
Vinhnetsniper: thanks04:36
davidmccabeWhen the root account is disabled, does root's crontab work?04:36
bob2davidmccabe: yes04:36
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netsniperbob2, what do you do for a living?04:37
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Varangeram I wrong or alsa-project.org is down ?04:37
bob2I'm a programmer04:37
netsniperfor whom may i ask?04:38
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netsniperbut you said you were not paid?04:38
TokenBadwhat is the tmpfs that is listed when you do df -h?04:38
atholasDoes apt-listbugs work for Ubuntu?04:38
jncVaranger: looks accurate what you are saying04:38
bob2netsniper: I said I wasn;t paid to work on ubuntu04:38
jncVaranger: i cannot access the website on www.alsa-project.org04:38
netsniperTokenBad, that is your temporary file system storage04:39
bob2atholas: no, it doesn't talk to launchpad or bugzilla04:39
Varangerjnc: me too :( I need to download the sources!04:39
TokenBadits like 500 megs04:39
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netsniperbob2, you are quite vague sometimes -- what are you paid to work on?04:39
atholasbob2: is there an equivalent of that in Ubuntu then?04:39
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xxtremebob2 =  u  r  DUDE of the year.04:39
jncVaranger: Varanger try http://ftp.pl.debian.org/mirror/ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/04:39
bob2netsniper: eh? bazaar.canonical.com.04:39
bob2atholas: no04:40
xxtremebob2= thanks for taking the time to help us04:40
atholasbob2: thanks.04:40
jncand the fish are tasty04:40
jncthanks for the fish04:40
naliothnetsniper: be careful...too many questions and bob2 will have to kill you04:40
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jncdo your worst04:41
TokenBadnetsniper, is there a way to clear it..or should i even try to?04:41
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Varangerjnc: thx .... I have some issues with alsa... can you help me ?04:41
jncWham Bam Fryin' Pan!04:41
netsniperTokenBad, do you need to?04:41
jncbad david bowie reference04:41
netsniperTokenBad, it gets cleaned on boot04:41
TokenBadoh ok04:41
toddmcanyone have any experience getting Wireless working?04:42
toddmcanyone have any experience getting Wireless working?04:42
netsnipernalioth, i work for the NSA -- dont fsck with my file systems04:42
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bob2toddmc: no need to repeat04:42
netsnipertoddmc, yes, what chipset you have?04:42
naliothnetsniper: i will leave that to windoze04:42
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naliothtoddmc: keyboard dysfunction?04:43
ziphow do i take a screenshot in Xfce?04:43
jncVaranger: i could attempt to help, in exchange for your patronage04:43
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syndzip: press the print screen button04:43
Varangerjnc: patronage? what do you mean?04:43
zipsynd: macintosh04:43
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jncsee snotice04:43
syndzip: ah04:43
toddmci can activate the wireless card eth104:43
toddmcbut i never get an IP address04:44
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quamtoddmc, what kind of wireless adapter are you using?04:44
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toddmci show 85% signal strength on the Connection Properties for eth104:45
zipso.. any idea how to take a screenshot in Xfce if you don't have a print screen key? Xfce doesnt' seem to have a keyboard configuration program like Gnome does04:45
concept10what config file sets boot up screen resolution?04:45
bob2zip: install imagemagick, run "import -root ~/screenshot.png"04:45
toddmci think its orninco....04:45
bob2concept10: none, really.  if you mean the console, you can modify that by passing the kernel command line arguments.04:46
toddmcit works fine in fedora core04:46
zipbob2: no way without installing something then? =\04:46
bob2toddmc: you've disabled WPA and WEP on the access point, right?04:46
bob2zip: of course there is04:46
toddmcits wide open04:46
redirtoddmc, did you assign it it's ssid?04:46
bob2zip: gimp is another way04:46
toddmcyeah - tried that too04:46
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concept10bob2, it always starts with some 12xx X some ungodly number with alot of lines.04:47
zipbob2: i'm trying to get something like gnome's nifty Take Screenshot option =p04:47
johanis there a way to get my printer working with 64-bits04:47
johanthe cie does not provide the drivers04:47
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naliothzip: have you searched synaptic for "screenshot"?04:47
toddmcunless its case sensative then yes04:47
jncjohan: i've got ubuntu linux on amd6404:48
johanme too04:48
zipnalioth: trying to figure out how it's done in Xfce but.. maybe it just can't be =\04:48
jncjohan: printing works here sometimes, depending on the Breezy updates that are borked and what not04:48
toddmcHOLY SHIT04:48
toddmcthat was it...04:48
toddmcits case sensative??????????04:48
naliothzip: all your utilitys can be run in xfce04:49
naliothzip: they just look funny04:49
bob2zip: then complain to the xfce4 developers04:49
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toddmcdid you all know that?04:49
zipnalioth: if i knew the name of the program gnome uses to take screenshots i'd use it ;P04:49
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frequencyhavin' trouble watching movies on my DVD drive..  keeps telling me it "can't read from device"04:50
zythfrequency, did you install the restricted formats stuff for DVDs?04:50
ubotuhmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats04:50
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bradequestion:  is there a way to give my user account root access to the system?04:50
frequencyy'know, that's a good question..04:50
matjan_is it difficult to set up things for a scsi scanner?04:50
naliothzip: search packages.ubuntu.com or your local synaptic04:50
quambrade: sudo command  if in a terminal, or gksudo if you do applications >> run04:51
zythfrequency, goto that url ubotu just posted04:51
frequencyroger that.. on it now04:51
davidmccabebob2: so if I drop a crontab file in /etc/cron.d, will attention be payed to it?04:51
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hidurai need help with a upgrade04:52
toddmc_bob2: did you know that the ssid was case senstive?04:52
bradequam:  other than that is there no way to give myself root access so that i have total control via the gui?04:52
matjan_i'm thinking of buying a polaroid sprintscan...04:52
bob2toddmc_: I would have assumed so04:52
DaveyANyone know of a winmerge type app for Gnome?04:52
bob2davidmccabe: should do04:52
toddmc_well poop...04:52
toddmc_you live you learn04:52
jncdidn't know polaroid was still in business04:52
davidmccabebob2: ok. thanks again.04:52
toddmc_thanks for the time..04:52
matjan_jnc:  hehe04:52
toddmc_pe a  c  e   o    u      t04:52
matjan_i'm looking on ebay04:52
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jnci didn't quite mean that to be funny04:53
quamt brade sure, sudo passwd root, set a password for root and then you'll be able to log in. to login to gnome with root, you'll need to system >> administration >> login screen setup and tell it to let root login04:53
quamignore the t :P04:53
bradefrequency:  ive got ubuntu running on a pretty old system with a dvd drive.  i followed the instructions on the link you were just given and everything works wonderfully.  one thing you may need to do is enable dma access04:53
jnci'm serious.  who needs snap shake wait and smudge when you have digital picture04:53
matjan_jnc: right...04:53
frequencyexcellent, thank you..04:53
frequencyi'm gonna run through it right now and report back to let you know if it worked04:53
matjan_jnc: film photography still produces higher res pics04:53
xxtremejnc. lmao, ur right04:53
matjan_unless you want to pay $8000 for a camera04:54
jncmatjan_: not anymore, not with the favon x304:54
jncthat's fair enough04:54
bradequam:  yeah i have that set up.  what i would like to do is give my account "user" the same control that the root user has.  ive tried adding myself to the root group but it doesnt seem to do anything...04:54
quambrade: oh :P04:54
hidurasomebody can helpme??? please04:55
naliothbrade: ubuntu is really not set up for that type of operation04:55
zythbrade, so basically, you want to ignore the point of not running a system as root and run in a very insecure method?04:55
matjan_jnc: anyways, do you have experience with scsi scanners?04:55
matjan_under linux, that is?04:55
jncmatjan_: yes, horrible things04:56
bradeyeah, didnt seam that it was.  and yes i do want to run in a very insecure method.  i love being in the drivers seat :P04:56
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pietro_spinabrade: HOWTO: Easily open any file as root via drag & drop http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2400804:56
zythbrade, ummm....04:56
matjan_jnc: what's the trouble?04:56
bradehaha thanks pietro04:56
bradezyth:  i know, i know04:57
jncmatjan_: oh, just unstable scsi troubles with Ubuntu Breezy and amd6404:57
jncnothing i have any right to complain about you see04:57
matjan_jnc: right... is that a flatbed scanner?04:57
hidurai cant upgrade somes packeges the apt say to me somes packeges are broken what i can do in this case04:57
matjan_ok, the sprintscan is a negative/dia scanner04:58
hidurahey nobody can helpme ????????????????>04:59
hidurai cant upgrade somes packeges the apt say to me somes packeges are broken what i can do in this case04:59
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zythhidura, do you by chance have backports in your sources.list04:59
matjan_jnc: so it was just that you didn't get the scsi-card configured correctly?05:00
epEarlier today i did apt-get kubuntu-desktop and ran into this konquer bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=800905:00
jncmatjan_: i don't know, it stops working and i don't have time to mess with it05:00
virgulehidura: sudo dpkg -C  and  sudo apt-get -f install   ?05:01
epI'm trying to solve this and someone said It might be fixed in KDE 3.4.1 -- can anyone tell me what version kubutu-desktop installed earlier today (I've since reinstalled due to the bug)05:01
matjan_jnc: ok, but it should work, right? (no offense)05:01
unomeep, in a terminal type: kdesktop --version05:01
jncmatjan_: i don't know.  it's worked once or twice05:02
jncmatjan_: fax and scan support in Ubuntu isn't as slick as it "should" be IMO05:02
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jncthe distro is relatively new and tackling a unique segment of users05:02
jnci don't blame the distro05:02
jncit's just the way it is05:02
matjan_i get it05:03
unomeit's all about perception05:03
matjan_does that mean that you got it to work properly in other distros?05:03
matjan_for instance?05:03
epunome kdesktop is not a command?05:03
jncworks fine if i spent a lot of time customizing software and compiling from scratch exactly the tools i needed05:03
jnci just don't spend that kind of time on my Ubuntu box05:04
unomeep: you sure you are on Kubuntu?05:04
matjan_i'm too newbie for that05:04
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epno i'm on ubuntu  now i cant run kde due to the bug05:05
unomewhat bug?05:05
bob2I'd be very very surprised if you had to compile anything to get a SCSI scanner to work.05:05
epEarlier today i did apt-get kubuntu-desktop and ran into this konquer bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=800905:05
matjan_bob2: you have experience with it?05:06
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epkonquer segfaults alot and sometimes shows double files!  (you dont even have to be drinking)05:06
matjan_or any scsi?05:06
hondjeep: when it segfaults, grab a core and submit it as a bug, they like core dumps05:06
xxtremeep= i ran into the same problem, so i uninstalled that, and synaptic kdebas3.4 and went from there05:07
DerumHow do I view videos embedded on MOZILLA FIREFOX, because even though I have realplayer installed on my computer it doesnt seem to want to play05:07
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xxtremeep= now mine is working05:07
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HrdwrBoBbob2: yeah assuming it's supported it should work05:07
hondjeDerum: mozilla mplayer plugin05:07
DerumI dont have MPLAYER05:07
hidurathe apt putme this expeption when i try to upgrade the system some packeges will be back05:07
Derumit doesnt want to work on my computer05:07
Derumso I use either Xine or VCL05:07
bob2Derum: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats05:07
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bob2hidura: so, paste the error to #flood05:08
zipany suggestions to get XMMS(and any other mp3 player for that matter) to stop skipping when i'm doing other stuff? i've already increased the buffer size for OSSL05:08
abbot45ok, some moron posted some mario brothers cartoons on the usenet in a disc image format (.mdf) that was made to be used with Alcohol 120% for windows.  is there any way i can get to these files?  i cant get these programs to work in Wine.05:08
epsorry i'm 1 day old -- does "synattic kdebas3.4" mean install kde 3.4.1 without kubuntu-desktop (just kde core and addons)?05:08
calcabbot45: that would involve helping to promote copyright violations, so no05:09
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unomeep: add deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main to your source.list > apt-get update > apt-get install kubuntu-desktop05:09
frequencyzyth: that solved my DVD problem, bud..  thanks a lot!05:09
xxtremeep-yeah, and you have to install different things, example kontact and more05:09
epxxtrem do i need universal sources, how do i do the same?05:09
zythfrequency, np man05:09
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abbot45hahaha.  these cartoons are old, arent they in the public domain?  haha.05:09
xxtremeep, worked for me05:09
rifficzip: have you enabled dma on your drives?05:10
bob2abbot45: no05:10
zipriffic: my drive appears to be Ultra DMA 205:10
abbot45i know they arent.  i was kidding.05:10
epthats what i intuitively wanted to try to do -- but i didn't know how05:10
rifficwhat does hdparm say?05:10
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calcabbot45: nothing since 1920 is public domain05:10
hondjezip: sudo hdparm -d /dev/dvd05:10
rifficthats the only thing I can think of though05:10
calcabbot45: at least almost nothing anyway05:10
virguleanyone: ping me plz..05:10
abbot45i know.  i was kidding.05:10
naliothunome: what is the diff tween the kubuntu repo nad the standard ones?05:10
ugovirgule: ping!05:10
zipriffic: didn't know about that one, i was useing dmesg, checking now05:11
unomenalioth 3.4.105:11
rifficoh okay05:11
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abbot45i just want to punch this dude for assuming that everyone on the usenet uses windows.05:11
pietro_spinaDerum: HOWTO: Totem embeded with mozplugger  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1772705:11
naliothunome: ah, the new hotness05:11
rifficyeah try hdparm /dev/hda or whatever device your files are being loaded from05:11
ugoabbbot45: but everyone uses windows05:11
naliothunome: wonder if it'd work on my ancient ibook.. ..05:11
rodrigouna pretunta05:11
riffichas there been any recent package upload activity to breezy ?05:11
zipit is using dma05:12
hondjehdparm -d /dev/foo tells you if dma is on, hdparm -d1 /dev/foo turns it on05:12
rodrigopor q dice no se puede entrar05:12
rodrigodenegado .,05:12
unomenalioth, kde 3.4.1 is less buggy05:12
riffici haven't had anything in apt-get update/upgrade in a few days05:12
budluvaanyone had problems with xmms and alsa mp3 playback with a 2.6.10-5-386 kernel?05:12
zythabbot45, I'd say the majority of usenet does NOT use windows05:12
bob2riffic: http://lists.ubuntu.com/, look at the -changes list archives05:12
naliothunome: are you using it?05:12
hondjerodrigo: se hablan espanol en #ubuntu-es05:12
unomenalioth yes05:12
zipDMA is already on though05:13
rifficoh cool thanks bob05:13
naliothunome: i'll bite05:13
unomegood luck05:13
abbot45zyth, THATS WHAT I MEAN.  why would this guy post all these cartoons in a format that can only be opened by a windows program.05:13
naliothunome: do i need it?05:13
unomenalioth need it? no05:13
zythabbot45, got a valid windows license?05:13
zythabbot45, installed qemu... install the program... open cd... convert ;)05:13
naliothabbot45: what format was that? wmv9?05:14
frequencyok, DVD drive works..  but it's a little choppy..  that means i need to activate DMA for the drive, right?05:14
ajmitchriffic: plenty of uploads happening still05:14
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hondjefrequency: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdwhatever05:14
abbot45nalioth, its .mdf.  i looked it up.  its a disc image used by the Alcohol 120% burning program.05:15
frequencyyou guys rock.. thank you so much..05:15
_0killsok, ive just installed Ubuntu on my brother's computer.. now we need to set up his wireless card... i typed iwconfig and it listed the card.. where do i go from here?05:15
naliothabbot45: yes that suX0rs, but it can be converted05:15
xxtremeep= everything ok so far?05:15
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_0killscan anyone help me with that?05:16
epxxtreme got a phone call, i getting right on it:) Thanks!05:16
ubotuwell, wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards05:16
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xxtremeep= no worries05:16
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rcec52I need some help. .. what do I have to reinstall to get my sound working again on Kubuntu? I've got an AC97 codec on-board chip on the motherboard.05:17
KillerSmurfhello all.... anyone here know anything about wacom?05:18
zipare there any decent M client options besdies GAIM that support both AIM and MSN?05:18
jbroome_0kills: look in System > Administration > Networking to configure your NICs05:18
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zythzip, Kopete, Miranda IM05:19
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zipzyth: isn't miranda only for Windows?05:19
zythumm I didn't think it was, but I could be wrong05:20
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KillerSmurfhello all.... anyone here know anything about wacom?05:20
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DerumRealplayer doesnt want to work for my system I installed it via "sudo apt-get install realplayer" and though it says that it installed the program itself doesn't pop up or work05:20
Derumwhat should I do?05:21
rcec52Try Mplayer05:21
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DerumMplayer doesnt work on my machine for some odd reason05:21
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abbot45you have to download the linux version of real player from www.real.com.  its an executable bin file that will install it for you.05:21
BinaryHelixWhat is the slowest processor I can have to still run Ubuntu with xfce (the gui)05:22
SiKeeIm running it on a pII 300 and it runs just fine05:22
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abbot45well, you dont have to, you can open real media files in like MPlayer or Totem.  but the official works the best usualy.05:22
Derumk abbot45 thanks05:22
naliothwow 147 updates05:22
rcec52Anyone have any idea's about getting sound to work again with AC97 codec?05:22
naliothunome: you are driving up my bandwidth bill05:22
KillerSmurfanyone here know anything about wacom? namely wacomcpl05:22
xxtremeBinaryHelix> im running my home machine, its a P2 with 128mb, works fine05:22
unomenalioth pardon?05:23
SiKeeDerum, try running realplay from an xterm and see if any errors come up05:23
nalioth unome just joshin ya05:23
budluvarcec52, im having problems playing mp3s with ac97 and alsa05:23
BinaryHelixxxtreme: can you run torrents with that setup?05:23
budluvarcec52, actually, its trying to play anything, i have no sound at all05:23
xxtremeBinaryHelix> oh yeah............05:23
DerumSikee, it doesnt say anything just stays blank05:23
ubotunalioth: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about05:24
naliothstupid bot05:24
ubotuBugger all, i dunno, budluva05:24
rcec52My sound use to work when I was running Ubuntu 'Gnome' but wanted to get KDE to work. . . that's when the problem started.  .05:24
xxtremeBinaryHelix> what you thinking of running it on?05:24
budluvarcec52, did it work right from your installation? or did you have to tweak to get it to work?05:24
BinaryHelixxxtreme: the least expensive laptop I can find05:25
rcec52Worked from the initial installation of Gnome. ...05:25
naliothbudluva: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary05:25
_0killsubotu, i looked up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards and all it said is that the card works great, doesnt give me any more information05:25
ubotu_0kills: I think you lost me on that one05:25
budluvanalioth, thanks05:25
naliothBinaryHelix: you in the market?05:25
xxtremeBinaryHelix> get a ibm T22, there cheap and great for linux05:25
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xxtremeBinaryHelix> or T2105:26
BinaryHelixnalioth: xxtreme: not until sometime next month when I can get the money05:26
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naliothBinaryHelix: you hardware agnostic?05:26
jbroomeOMG i'm on a t21 now. :)05:26
rcec52Kubuntu has a few bugs. .. for instance. ..my Wifi card would install then it lock up and I couldn't reinstall the initial menu settings so I went to Gnome then back to KDE. Now the Wifi works fine. . . .05:26
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KillerSmurfanyone here know anything about wacom? namely wacomcpl05:27
BinaryHelixnalioth: ... explain.05:27
naliothBinaryHelix: you can get a long-lasting well-made laptop for a very inexpensive price at my favorite place05:27
jbroomeBack of the van in an alley? :)05:27
naliothBinaryHelix: www.apple.com/store   (look for the red 'sale' tag at the bottom right)05:27
BinaryHelixxxtreme: what kind of prices were thinking?05:27
rcec52Anyone running a 64 bit Amd with this software?05:27
naliothjbroome: nah, thats my neighbors05:28
netsniperapple is cheap hardware and way overpriced...05:28
naliothrcec52: not me, but whats your question?05:28
xxtreme BinaryHelix> u can find under $500, easy05:28
netsniperrcec52, i have ammd64 -- but not running ubuntu6405:28
naliothnetsniper: yes it is cheap (but they use very good glue)05:28
rcec52None really. . . I was wondering how up to date and bugfree it is. . . .05:28
jbroometo be the complete devils' advocate, i have a PB and a TP.05:28
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crimsunpenut better?05:28
naliothjbroome: toilet paper?05:29
jbroomeshush you05:29
xxtreme BinaryHelix> wait let me check05:29
jbroomethinkpad, powerbook05:29
naliothah TP = thinkbook05:29
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naliothjbroome: what kind of TP?05:29
netsniper...fir my bunghole05:30
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Redwraithhey all05:30
jbroomenalioth: T2105:30
netsniperhey you05:30
rcec52I've been running Suse 9.3, Kubuntu, Ubuntu, Mepis, Linspire and have tried to get Gentoo, FreeBSD, and installed but couldn't get Debian to work with my WiFi card. . ..05:30
Redwraithanyone know how to get my sound card to work with esd so i can use amarok05:30
Redwraithor just get amarok working?05:30
naliothjbroome: that run ubuntu ok? does it have builtin wifi?05:30
naliothRedwraith: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary05:31
jbroomenalioth: running ubuntu a-ok right now.. doesn't have built-in wifi.05:31
rcec52Anyone here try Mepis?05:31
KillerSmurfdoes anyone know where the wacomcpl setting are stored?05:31
jbroomeit's a p3 800, so it's time was before te builin05:31
KillerSmurfrcec I did05:31
rcec52What ya think of it?05:31
xxtreme BinaryHelix> $489 at tigerdirect.com TP T2205:31
naliothrcec52: i used to mepis it, b4 ubuntu showed up05:31
KillerSmurfI liked it but I like ubuntu better05:32
naliothy'all think the modern TPs built in wifi works with ubuntu?05:32
Redwraithhmm nalioth that doesnt help05:32
jbroomenalioth: my boss is running ubuntu on a brand new T42 and it works great05:32
netsnipernalioth, i know they do -- i have a t3005:32
rcec52I'm having mixed feeling. ...I think maybe when 'Breezy' comes out Kubuntu will be better. . . But I feel Mepis now is alittle ahead with the software. . .05:32
KillerSmurfanyone know ANYTHING about wacomcpl...?05:33
naliothwell then....add that to my wish list05:33
BinaryHelixthanks guys05:33
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naliothrcec52: kde 3.4.1?05:33
jbroomeKillerSmurf: i do not05:33
Redwraithany other ideas?05:33
rcec52Yes, I have 3.4.1 I believe  installed with Mepis. . .  .05:34
KillerSmurfrcec I think that when I tried 3.1 it was ok but nothing that knocked my soxs off05:34
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KillerSmurfThanks jbroome05:34
netsniperKubuntu Hoary was crap due to the bugs when doing an update, whichbasically forced you to run a custom script to repair thins05:34
Redwraiththe card is a soundblaster live05:34
budluvacan someone help me with a bittorrent question? im running a windows machine and my ubuntu box, with firestarter as my firewall using internet connection sharing, i have my windows machine setup with azureus using port 49153 and i've add my port forwarding rule for this port/machine and i do a NAT test with azureus and it says OK! but i get NAT errors when doing the same test on my ubuntu machine using azureus on port 49154, do i have05:34
budluva to port forward for my ubuntu machine aswell?05:34
Redwraithnothing but alsa works in xmms.. no ubuntu sounds nothing05:34
naliothrcec52: so do we05:34
rcec52Don't get me wrong I think Ubuntu is pretty darn stable and Gnome is a good desktop to run. . .05:35
naliothbudluva: yes05:35
AmaranthRedwraith: So run System->Preferences->Multimedia Systems Selector and tell it to use alsa05:35
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budluvanalioth, what ip do i forward it to? i've tried localhost and i still get nat error05:35
Redwraithamarok still wont play05:35
Amaranthdoes amarok use gstreamer?05:36
Redwraithit can05:36
Amaranthtell it to05:36
Redwraithbut i was trying to configure it with xine05:36
naliothbudluva: i'm not up on port forwarding, but any machine behind a firewall needs to see out05:36
Redwraithshould my sound card work with esd?05:36
Amaranthor get a GNOME player like rhythmbox or muine to go with your GNOME desktop05:36
Redwraithi guess i could05:36
Redwraithi want something that works with an ipod05:36
xxtremebudluva, you need to make a rule in firestarter, for bittorrent05:37
netsniperRedwraith, rythmbox does05:37
_0killsjbroome, still there?05:37
Redwraithalright.. well lets solve hte gnome sound problem05:37
netsniperRedwraith, you cna also grab gtkpod05:37
Redwraithmultimedia selector i test anyof them and none of them work05:37
rcec52I'm wishing some of these OS's will make some of the newer unknown packages part of their software repositories. ...Anyone know of 'HUGIN'? or 'SKY CHARTS'?05:37
Redwraithalsa, esd05:37
_0killsi went to system> administration> networking and no window would come up05:38
Redwraithbut xmms plays05:38
KillerSmurfanyone know ANYTHING about wacomcpl...?05:38
budluvaya, i have port 49153 forwarded to 49153 for ip (windows machine) and i have port 49154 forwarded to 49154 for ip localhost (ubuntu machine) xp machine works fine, but i get a nat error on my ubuntu machine05:38
netsniperKillerSmurf, http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/howto/wacomcpl05:38
naliothbudluva: can you open it all up to your ubuntu machine?05:38
Redwraithnetsniper: any idea?05:39
budluvanalioth, can 2 machines share the same azureus port?05:39
Redwraithfailed to construct test pipeline05:39
epOk, Im back -- I added respositories exactly as outlined on the unoffical ubuntu 5.04 starting guide.  I hope this is ok.05:39
jbroome_0kills: did it ask for your password?05:39
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naliothbudluva: i'm not sure of your setup. do you have a gateway machine, a router + 2 machines or what?05:39
netsniperRedwraith, maybe it is using OSS05:40
naliothep: was that the ubuntuguide?05:40
_0killsjbroome, nope, it says in the window list: Starting Networking.. but then it just stops and nothing happens05:40
Redwraiththat doesnt work either05:40
budluva2 machines, using ubuntu as my gateway/firewall, my ubuntu box has 2 nics, eth0 INET and eth1 LAN05:40
epnalioth, i did this: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#extrarepositories05:40
Redwraithnetsniper: isnt using it either05:40
naliothep put on the brakes05:40
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naliothep: ubuntuguide is not correct and will lead you into heartbreak05:41
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nalioths_dogep: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3805:41
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ep Opps i already did update -- but  I can reinstall :-)   This is pretty fresh05:42
naliothep: see that URL05:42
naliothep: you havent done anything bad ... yet05:42
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naliothep: but backports/marillat can cause your system to not upgrade properly05:42
naliothep: no need to reinstall, just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list05:42
_0killsyou guys know if there is any reason the Networking window wont appear (when i click System> Administration> Networking it doesnt load).. should i reinstall Ubuntu?05:43
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naliothbudluva: open your ubuntu machine completely up to the world05:43
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Expellanyone knows any billing client/server for internet cafe use?? thanks before05:43
naliothbudluva: crank down on the windows box as much as you like05:43
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epok like i said, i ran update already --- so edit it by commenting out the two backport lines?05:43
naliothep: yes that is fine (and any marillat lines, too)05:43
naliothep: and while you're there, enable your deb-src lines05:44
_0killsanyone, please?05:44
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IceDC571wow.. we've got our own ubuntu pasting website now?05:44
rcec52What's the reason that Kubunt and Ubuntu repositories are slow to update to the lastest files for some apps. . .05:44
sabbathhow do you untar a tar.bz2 ?05:44
Redwraithalright, anyone know WHY the sound isnt working?05:44
naliothrcec52: they are being pkgd by ubuntu devs05:45
IceDC571rcec52, um.. ive found it to have the latest apps everytime i check it05:45
naliothsabbath: tar xvjf file.tar.bz205:45
rcec52For instance ClamAv is an old outdated version and they haven't updated it in the repositories. . .05:45
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rcec52Firefox has a version number problem according to Mozilla website. .. .05:46
naliothrcec52: ours does not05:46
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IceDC571its only outdated by one version number down05:47
rcec52Ours does not what?05:47
naliothrcec52: ours is 1.0.2 with the security patches rolled into it (from 1.0.4)05:47
rcec52Have you tried to install any of the new attachment files for Firefox?05:47
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IceDC571it should automatically update to 1.0.4 when you update apt-get05:47
IceDC571even though there was nothing quite wrong with 1.0.205:47
nybbleah, sweet sweet ubuntu05:47
rcec52Adblocker,weather, etc. ..05:48
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naliothrcec52: all that stuff works fine for me05:48
sabbathdo I need to get java after I install?05:48
naliothrcec52: although i don't use ff much05:48
nybblercec52: what program are we talking about05:48
naliothsabbath: do you have java programs?05:48
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shadeofgreyhi everybody05:48
flowhi guys.. im new here..05:48
rcec52FireFox webbrowser. . .05:48
nybbleshadeofgrey: hey05:49
sabbathsudo apt-get install java ?05:49
IceDC571nalioth, what browser do you use?05:49
nybblehey flow, need some help05:49
shadeofgreyis there an opensource program for saving the contact info stored in Cellphones?05:49
IceDC571shadeofgrey, yep.. forgot the name though, sorry05:49
nybbleapt-get install sun-jre or soemthing05:49
flowdo you know how to open the ports for azureus?05:49
nybbleflow: with?05:49
naliothIceDC571: i use galeon05:49
epI comment out the 2 backport lines but none of the lines contain "marillat"05:49
nybbleflow: do you have a router05:49
flowtried firestarter.. but its still the same05:49
naliothIceDC571: and sometimes kazehakaze05:50
flowyea.. done port forwarding with the router itself05:50
budluvaapt-get install sun-j2re1.505:50
IceDC571nalioth, wow.. never heard of that before.. ill go look it up05:50
naliothep: great05:50
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nybbleflow: hmmm. I got fed up with it so i'm using *cough* upnp05:50
flowgetting good speed in windows..05:50
shadeofgreyokay guys -- howdo you think i should procede with trying to migrate all my cell phone contacts to a folder on my harddisk?05:50
rcec52How do you get software updates to work with Azureus. ..? It doesn't work withing the program. ..at least mine doesn't. . .05:50
flowyea.. mine doesnt05:50
nybbleflow: thats odd, same box right?05:50
nybbleflow: the windows instal.05:50
naliothep: nothing wrong with using marillat or backports "for one program", but disable them after you get "the one program"05:50
shadeofgreyi bought the data cable and everything but of course the only proprietary software available uses outcrook05:51
epah ok05:51
naliothIceDC571: kazehakaze is in the repos05:51
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nybbleflow: are you using the default ports?05:51
naliothIceDC571: kazehakaze is a japanese gecko wreapper05:51
_0killsnalioth, are you familiar with any bugs... such as the Networking window wont load...05:51
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epnow im adding the source u gave me from the paste bin  but i'm not sure where they belong05:51
flowshould i change the ports?05:51
nalioth_0kills: sorry i am not05:51
nybbleflow: give that a try. it just might help05:52
epsources there are 6 lines05:52
IceDC571wow.. a search for kazehakaze in google returned a bunch of mailing lists and forums.. no homepage listing05:52
_0killsnalioth, np thanks05:52
KillerSmurfnetsniper I have tried that but I have a question about wacomcpl05:52
epjust paste em all in at the end of the file?05:52
nybbleflow: its a tricky program sometimes05:52
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naliothIceDC571: search for it using apt-cache showpkg kazehakase05:53
netsniperKillerSmurf, sorry dont know man05:53
sabbathcan someone help me install java?05:53
KillerSmurfu still rock snipe05:53
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KillerSmurfsure sabbath05:53
nybblesabbath: have you tried this: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre05:54
nybblesudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.505:54
IceDC571ahh.. its kazehakase with an s at the end05:54
nybblebrb.. have to restart05:54
KillerSmurfthen java -version05:54
flowtried some random port that i didnt port forward.. and it seems to work05:55
nybbleflow: oki. its weird eh..05:55
sabbathI did a sudo apt-get install java-common hope thats not bad =\05:55
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killfillhow do i install java?.. is there a ubuntu .deb somewhere?  if not, can i make one myself easyly?05:56
epnalioth, can i just comment out all existing lines and paste int the 6 you gave me from the pastebin link?  Theres a bunch of similar lookin urls here:)05:56
IceDC571www.ubuntuguide.org for all your how do i install needs05:56
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nybbleflow: so it is working now?05:56
naliothep surely05:56
naliothIceDC571: please do not recommend ubuntuguide05:57
IceDC571nalioth, sorry.. why not?05:57
KillerSmurfanyone have any wacom experience05:57
nybblei am the one who did05:57
nalioths_dogkillfill: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 05:57
sabbathep: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.505:57
nybblesabbath: you have to add extra repositories, sorry. listen to nalioths_dog05:57
KillerSmurfsabbath do u have extra repositories loaded?05:58
naliothIceDC571: read number 3 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines05:58
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syndanyone use a USB 2.0 WiFi dongle?05:58
syndwith ubuntu?05:58
sabbathno, I dont think sp.05:58
epok done no update and upgrade?05:58
bassinboyman i can't find any repos that have the good stuff.... like libdvdcss ...... note i'm on teh 6405:58
ep*now update and upgrade?05:58
nybbleah, good point05:58
KillerSmurfif anyone can help me with a wacom issue pm me please05:58
nybblesorry guys i wont reccommend it again05:59
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naliothep: yes05:59
IceDC571nalioth, thank you so much. i wasnt aware of this05:59
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naliothIceDC571: np05:59
epthanks a bunch, got a question afterwards05:59
nybblenalioth: thanks aswell05:59
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chombeeHi - I seem to be doing pretty well in terms of multimedia, codecs etc, just using the sources.list from the 5.04 Starters Guide. I don't have the hoary-extras repository. Can anyone tell me what is actually in that repos and why I might want it>05:59
nybblenalioth: and i just used that ten minutes ago :(06:00
bassinboyany ideas where i can get the good stuff? like azureus or dvdcss06:00
naliothchombee: please dont use the ubuntuguide recommendations06:00
nalioths_dogchombee: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3806:00
sabbathhowto add extra repositories?06:00
naliothchombee: using that info, can lead to your system not upgrading properly06:00
hondjeman, this hotplug is off the wall06:00
nalioths_dogsabbath: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto06:01
naliothbassinboy: libdvdcss is in multiverse06:01
epok i guess even after this, there is 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed,06:01
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naliothep: because you caught it in time (before it really got into your system)06:02
nybbleanyway.. g2g peoples06:02
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chombeenalioth - how so? it doesn't appear to contain anything non-official06:02
epthats a good thing!06:02
naliothchombee: read number 3 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines06:02
nybbleDo NOT recommend people to use ubuntuguide.org, there are several reasons for this:06:03
nybble    *06:03
nybble      Ubuntuguide.org presents wrong solutions, ranging from suboptimal solutions to pure regressions.06:03
nybble    *06:03
nybble      Ubuntuguide.org is not really a guide, but a mere list of command you might enter. It gives no explanations at all06:03
nybble    *06:03
nybble      All information on Ubuntuguide.org is present on the wiki in clearer and better form06:03
nybblei should not have done that06:03
naliothnybble: please DO NOT flood (we have #flood for that)06:03
epwhat i'd like to do next is install kde-base plus some meta packages.  Is this ok cause I really don't want to try kubuntu-desktop again06:03
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ajmitchcorrect, you shouldn't paste like that :)06:03
naliothep: do as you like06:03
bassinboynalioth: but for amd64?06:03
naliothep it is your system06:04
budluvahow would i go about getting a key for my ssh server?06:04
naliothbassinboy: enable your repos and have a look06:04
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nalioths_dogbassinboy: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3806:04
nybblenalioth: sorry, i actually did not mean to paste that here..was intended for an im window06:04
naliothbassinboy: you might be surprised what's there06:04
flithmhey everyone... is it just me is is there no nedit in the ubuntu repositories?  what's up with that?06:04
naliothflithm: nedit is there06:05
chombeewell, okay, don't use Ubuntu Guide... but the sources.list they give doesn't have any outside repositories in it, I'm just trying to find out what is actually in hoary-extras?06:05
flithmnalioth, how come i can't install it with apt-get, or find it with apt-cache search?  do I have my apt setup wrong?06:05
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naliothflithm: i'm not sure, i found mine there06:06
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tyoungI've installed xfe4 and some other window managers, but regardless of what I select at login, I still get gnome.  Can anybody point me to a clue on this problem?06:06
nalioths_dogflithm: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3806:06
naliothflithm: make sure your sources.list looks like that06:06
flithmnalioth, nice thanks yo!06:06
IceDC571nalioth, the wiki is very interesting.. usually i stay away from wikis since they are not very user friendly and hard to understand.. but the ubuntu wiki looks so complete and interesting06:06
naliothchombee: i don't even know what hoary-extras is06:06
doonzhey guys is there a way to turn off that cd creator program so that when i insert a blank cdr it does nothing?06:06
chombeeit's on the wiki, and it says it holds unofficial multimedia codecs, but i seem to have all the codecs06:07
IceDC571doonz, yep. hang on06:07
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naliothchombee: to my knowledge there is no need for hoary-extras (i believe it is unofficial)06:07
epWe'll I'll take the advise of someone experienced too:)  Do u recomend do kubunto-desktop instead?  Earlier today i got a segfaulting kongueror bug and found bug report describing it. Someone said KDE 3.4.1 was a fix but i dont' know what version i had earlier06:07
budluvadoonz, sup fooker, you not working either? :P06:08
doonzfawk you06:08
maedoes ubuntu have plans to add the native eclipse like fedora?06:08
bassinboynalioth *shrugs*.... still no libdvdcss06:08
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Expellerr, anyone knows any linux apps source beside sourceforge? sourceforge's currently down.....06:08
budluvaive been on my ass for 2 weeks now, this sucks I HATE RAIN!06:08
IceDC571doonz, are you using gnome?06:08
doonznaw my job down in drumheller got cancelled cause of the flood06:08
doonzice yes06:08
naliothbassinboy: its libdvdcss006:08
budluvadoonz lol yeah they got it gooood06:08
Kamping_Kaiserexpell freshmeat06:08
IceDC571doonz, go to system > preferences > removable drives and media06:09
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naliothep that is for 3.4.106:09
budluvadoonz, you at oinks right now?06:09
doonzok ice06:09
epwhat did i have earlier?06:09
doonzthnx ice06:09
naliothep: dunno06:10
naliothep: but you wanted the fix06:10
bassinboyE: Couldn't find package libdvdcss006:11
IceDC571doonz, did it help you? im not sure if it could stop burning apps from launching if thats what you wanted06:11
doonzyep it did06:11
IceDC571ahh okay.. good06:11
Expellyeah... that one... :)) thanks kamping_kaizer06:11
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epyes, im just not sure what the fix is:  xxtreme said "xxtreme ep= i ran into the same problem, so i uninstalled that, and synaptic kdebas3.4 and went from there"06:12
naliothbassinboy: did you update your apt-get (if you changed your sources.list)06:12
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naliothep: perhaps xxtreme didnt know the url of the new stuff06:13
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bassinboynalioth: indeed06:13
naliothbassinboy: well i'm not sure, most amd64 users don't ask about libdvdcss06:13
epok, i'm gonna try kubuntu-desktop then06:14
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naliothbassinboy: so i'm assuming they have it06:14
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IceDC571good luck06:15
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xxtremenalioth, you say take out backports in repositories06:17
naliothxxtreme: i say only use them for a single program you want, and then comment them back out06:17
naliothxxtreme: because everyday use will sooner or later botch your upgradeability06:17
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xxtremenalioth, oh ok, also marillat06:17
naliothxxtreme: yes any unofficial repository06:18
IceDC571marillat killed my ubuntu system on my laptop06:19
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bob2it didn't "kill" anything06:19
bob2at worst it can make some things (temporarily) uninstallable06:19
IceDC571well maybe i was exagerrating06:19
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xxtremebob2= what u think happen then06:19
IceDC571it got to the point where i couldnt install the official packages correctly06:19
bob2I don't know what problem you are talking about06:20
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bob2right, that's what "uninstallable" means06:20
_0killsyou guys know if there is any reason the Networking window wont appear (when i click System> Administration> Networking it doesnt load).. should i reinstall Ubuntu?06:20
IceDC571bob2 is smart!06:20
bob2so, don't use non-ubuntu repositories if you don't know to fix problems like that06:21
IceDC571_0kills, try running the command 'network-admin' in the terminal06:21
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_0killsIceDC571, thanks06:22
_0killshey, are ESSID and SSID the same?06:22
epOk to us kdm now that i'm kde'ing it?06:23
MoatDo I need to reinstall ubuntu-desktop after it got uninstalled when I removed OO to try OO 2.0 beta.06:23
naliothep: KDE works under gdm just as well06:23
IceDC571_0kills, i can confirm that ESSID is the same as SSID06:23
naliothMoat: ubuntu-desktop is necessary for upgrading06:24
epi know, i'd prefer kdm unless theres some reason i should choose gdm06:24
MoatWhen I try to reinstall ubuntu-desktop it looks like it wants to reinstall OpenOffice 1.306:24
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naliothMoat: good question06:25
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xxtremeep= u got it install yet06:25
bassinboyany amd64 users?06:25
epno i'm at the prompt having a drink06:25
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epjust one moment06:26
_0killsIceDC571, we're having trouble installing Ubuntu on my brother's computer. in the beginning of the install, when it looks for the network, it asks me for the ESSID, i have tried typing ANY, and tried typing default, but nothing seems to work.. what do i do at this point?06:26
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IceDC571_0kills, does ubuntu support your wireless device natively?06:27
eppretty hefty download06:27
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_0killsIceDC571, yes, the wiki states that the card 'Works great!'06:28
epbrb, gotta end this session06:28
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syndhow do i set sudo hdparm -d1 -X34 /dev/hdd to execute everytime a boot?06:28
gm78Has anyone noticed Ubuntu (not Linux in General) doesn't play nice with routers?06:29
Expellwhat router?06:29
jgoguenwhat problems?06:29
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gm78D-Link DI-524 (not using Wireless) and SMC VBR700406:30
IceDC571_0kills, it might not work due to the same reason the networking ui wont work if you try to launch it from the panel06:30
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IceDC571_0kills, when you launch it from the terminal does it give you any errors?06:30
jgoguengm: what's the problem you're having?06:30
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syndhmm ubuntu wont eject my disk...?06:30
gm78Most webpages don't work. www.lwn.net is an example. Works fine in Knoppix, CentOS, Windows and Ubuntu plugged right into the cable modem...but Ubuntu through the router is a no go06:30
synddvd disk06:30
bassinboyany amd64 users?06:31
epxxtreme, In like Flynn06:31
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naliothsynd: is it on the desktop?06:31
_0killsIceDC571, we have to reinstall Ubuntu, cant load the terminal right now, in the middle of the install :\06:31
metzendoes ubuntu use a different version of synaptic than debian?06:31
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syndnalioth: no06:31
IceDC571_0kills, alright. let me know if you need any help from there06:31
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_0killsIceDC571, k, thanks man, i appreciate it06:32
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teco754...939.... oh,I am waiting 97806:32
epKde is just snappier, the wonders of c++ or QT ?06:32
gm78Is there any reason at all Ubuntu, and only Ubuntu, would not like to view most webpages through a router06:32
epbloated code is quicker:)06:32
jasmuzep: qt06:32
tecoqual channel06:32
naliothsynd: try from a terminal eject /dev/cdrom (and there are many things to enter here)06:32
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syndnalioth: that worked!06:33
epso far so good, thanks for the help Nalioth06:33
amonkeywhat's the linux equiv of ipconfig /release; ipconfig /renew06:34
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crimsunamonkey: ifdown $interface; ifup $interface06:34
naliothnp, yall06:35
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gm78One computer happens to work, and thats cause i set up a virtual server on the router for America's Army, the rest don't.....this is rididulous, 2 routers with 3 other operating systems work and this one can't....I'm thinking of downgrading to Warty06:37
epis that pastebin site with the souces listed permanent?   I want to record the url in my install notes.06:37
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chris_I have a Toshiba Satellite 1735 laptop with a new Ubuntu install. It works fairly well with two issues so far: Sound and video. Sound I can work on later and have gotten working in the past with linux, but video always seems to be limited to 800x600, although windows does 1024x768 without a problem. Any suggestions?06:45
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chris_Video card is a Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x06:46
djschris_: This might help you (see below)06:46
ubotumethinks resolution is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto06:47
chris_Thanks, I'll check it out06:47
djsyw :)06:47
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syndhow do i set sudo hdparm -d1 -X34 /dev/hdd to execute everytime a boot?06:47
syndi boot*06:47
hondjesynd: edit /etc/hdparm.conf06:49
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chris_thanks djs, looks like one of these will fix it. I'll give it a try tomorrow.06:49
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djschris_: np.  Note that if you need to run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" it asks a lot of questions.  The default answers are usually pretty good.06:50
syndugh my cdrw drive skips oddly when trying to play CDs06:51
doonzwhat a good program to burn bin and cue files with06:51
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syndsetting the DMS to on does nothing.. unless i have to reboot after i set the dma to on06:51
crimsundoonz: bchunk->cdrecord, cdrdao06:51
doonzthats installed in ubuntu already06:51
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cycomwhy the hell does my clock run at more than 2x normal speed?06:52
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Expelloverclocked?? :))06:53
rezzcobainCan anyone help a linux noob install java on ubuntu?06:53
cycomno, like system time06:53
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cycomnot the actual processor06:53
ubotuit has been said that java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java06:53
Expelllol..... ic :)06:53
syndrezzcobain: ubuntuguide.org is a good place to check too06:53
Expellaccellerated aging... :p06:53
cycomit's crazy. supposedly I need a system clock hack06:53
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hmsmarianocan anyone help me with fsck and "busy devices"?06:53
Expellrezzcobain: http://ubuntuguide.org/06:54
hondjehmsmariano: unmount them first06:54
rezzcobainWell my problem is that im so new to all of this I dont quite understand what im reading06:54
hondjeubuntu guide is full of lies and bad ideas....06:54
SpecialBuddyhas anyone here been able to put kooldock on kubuntu06:54
Expellhmm .... it works for me.... (so far) :)06:54
rezzcobainI was hoping to get someone that could help me learn06:54
syndhondje: not for newbies : P06:54
hmsmarianoyeah hondje06:54
syndit helped me so much06:54
Expelland by the way, ubuntu's not my primary linux distro :p06:54
hmsmarianoit doesn't let me do it06:54
hondjehmsmariano: what partition?06:54
hmsmarianojust says "busy device"06:54
hondje Your root partition?06:55
tristanmikerezzcobain: have you installed the repositories?06:55
syndtime for a reboot to see if this works06:55
bassinboyman i can't find libdvdcss :-/06:55
hondjehmsmariano: easiest way is to open up a terminal after saving your work and running 'sudo shutdown -Fr now'06:55
SpecialBuddydo you know how to install kooldock or anything else like that06:55
rezzcobainTristan I dont even know what or how06:55
hmsmarianowhat does -Fr means?06:55
hondjehmsmariano: that'll reboot and force it to fsck it06:56
hmsmarianookeyyyy hondje06:56
merchey all, im trying to run Azureus jar via java -jar, however i recieve this errror -- Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/commons/cli/CommandLine06:56
hmsmarianothat's it06:56
Koikooldock is there a .deb package?06:56
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mercanyone have any idea what's up?06:56
SpecialBuddylet me06:56
hmsmarianothanks hondje, i'll try right now06:56
hondjehmsmariano: no problem06:56
SpecialBuddyI don't think so06:57
doonzcrimsum i installed bchunk,,, how do i work it now?06:57
tristanmikerezzcobain: You'll have to edit you're sources.list06:57
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schasiIs there something like packages.debian.org for ubuntu?06:58
crimsunof course.06:58
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doonzcrimsun i installed bchunk,,, how do i work it now?06:58
tristanmikerezzcobain: have you been to ubuntuguide.org?06:58
bassinboywhere in the world is libdvdcss?06:58
SpecialBuddyconfigure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH06:58
SpecialBuddywhat does that mean06:58
rezzcobainYes, however I learn better from experience then reading :(06:59
crimsunbassinboy: multiverse or debian-marillat/testing06:59
schasicrimsun: does not work06:59
crimsunSpecialBuddy: install build-essential06:59
tristanmikeI understand completely06:59
jgoguenrezzcobain: ubuntuguide.org gives you step-by step directions for installing Java06:59
crimsundoonz: read the man page06:59
djsschasi: s/org/com :)06:59
tristanmikeIt's hard to understand when you know nothing06:59
schasiubuntu is com? woa06:59
tristanmikeI know, I just went through the learning experience06:59
crimsunschasi: what doesn't?07:00
tristanmikerezzcobain: open up the terminal07:00
bassinboycrimsun: can't find it... i dvd went to the http and looked for it07:00
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crimsunbassinboy: come again?07:00
bassinboycrimsun: do you know a certain server that has it? all the ones i've tried dont07:01
schasithank you crimsun07:02
PlutoPrimehi, why would the "New Login" option suddenly stop working to switch between users?07:02
doonzthanx crimsun07:02
PlutoPrimenot only that, now when I switch between users in gdm, aka logout as user x and login as user y it hangs loading gnome07:02
PlutoPrimeI haven't made any changes... and it just broke??07:02
crimsunbassinboy: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/libd/libdvdcss/07:05
davidmccabeOSCON is in my town... wonder what the chances on sneaking in are.07:05
bassinboycrimsun: thanks! :)07:05
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bassinboycrimsun: should i add  that to my sources.list somehow?07:06
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Koiyou can add sources through synaptic gui or edit the sources list with nano07:06
crimsunbassinboy: those instructions are on wiki/RestrictedFormats (and probably on the ubuntuguide as well)07:06
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ghostlessIs there somekind of app that will give me a OSX like dock thing? Preferably in gnome?07:07
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gobeavsin C, how do you make the system pause for a certain amount of time?07:08
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lifelessgobeavs: carefully07:09
lifelessgobeavs: man 3 sleep07:09
gobeavsis that in linux or windows?07:10
gobeavssorry, shoulda specified07:10
gobeavsfor windows07:10
lifelessoh, don't recall07:10
gobeavssystem("Pause 1") or something like that?07:10
gobeavsI think07:10
lifelesssee msdn, search07:10
lifelessno, theres a Win32 API call for it07:11
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Eman_rpghello everyone07:11
lifelessdepends if you want a GUI or console safe tool too07:11
teco|731syscall in shell .... windows07:11
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gobeavsonly console07:12
teco|731it's too far for windows07:12
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jayparadisethey removed a dead fetus from a boy07:13
teco|731what news?07:14
metzengobeavs, why are you asking about 'C' questions for 'Windows' in the ubuntu linux channel? ;p07:15
teco|731(because his boss...)07:15
jbroomemmm, parasitic twin07:15
jayparadisei don't think windows has many channels07:15
jbroomenot on freenode07:15
teco|731(daily FUD is important)07:15
=== djs was intrigued by that too (the C on windows bit that is :) )
jayparadisei havent seen an irc windows channel07:16
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teco|731or join sh*t-star07:16
Koiim having problems with setting up raid1 - when I make the array grum then hangs at 1.5 with error 1807:16
jayparadisewow thats ironic07:17
gobeavsmetzen: lol...I don't know07:18
gobeavsmetzen: wanna pick a fight? :-P I have nowhere else really to look07:18
gobeavsmetzen: thought I might as well ask, and I actually didnt think about the windows part until after I posted it :-P07:18
metzengobeavs, ill slap you with the 5 fingered sleep07:18
metzengobeavs, threaded07:18
_0killsIceDC571, i typed network-admin in the terminal and it didnt work07:19
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Koiany one knows about setting up raid07:20
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metzen0kills: any error message?07:20
gobeavsKoi: nope, sorry :(07:20
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_0killsmetzen, no, it seemed like it was processing but it did nothing07:21
teco|731what's raid?07:21
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jayparadisewhats the pastebin url?07:21
KoiRedundant Array of Independent Disks07:21
metzen0kills: did you run it as root?07:22
Expellindependent? or inexpensive??07:22
jayparadisei just had to reinstall after an odd system meltdown and i need the aptsource list07:22
metzenExpell, inexpensive was the original term07:22
Koii got then on sale07:22
jayparadiseso i  can get back on kubuntu07:22
_0killsmetzen, no, ill try that07:23
jasmuzKoi: google it07:23
Koii did07:23
Koii had extra bad luck with is07:23
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metzenKoi: look for info on raidtools, and md07:24
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merchas azureus been removed from the repos or something?07:24
djsjayparadise: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/07:24
crimsunmerc: it was never in the repos.07:25
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merccrimsun: oh, damn ubuntuguide!07:25
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zooplehey. trying to update firefox. it says that i "do not have permission to install to: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox"07:25
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crimsunmerc: it may have been in an _unofficial_ repo, but it has never been in the official Ubuntu repo.07:26
_0killsmetzen, good call on using root, it worked, thanks man :)07:27
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ranekmetzen, thanks that's what was needed. We forgot to use the Sudo command07:27
metzen0kills: nice, you may have a problem with gksudo not working correctly07:27
_0killshehe, sup ranek07:27
mercanyone know what this java error is all about? -- Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/commons/cli/CommandLine07:27
metzen0kills: it should be prompting you to enter the root password when you run network-admin07:27
ranek_0kills, not much need to know how to privet chat though07:28
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_0killsmetzen, yea, we got it figured it07:28
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_0killsranek, sent you a private message07:28
metzenmerc: is that .class file on your CLASSPATH ?07:29
mercwell, i doubt it07:30
mercare the class files the org/apache/commons etc?07:30
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metzenare you using a .jar file from apache or something?07:30
mercbut yeah, its a jar07:30
ubotuunome: I give up, what is it?07:32
scarlettechocan anyone help me get MPlayer?  I've been at it all day and no luck.07:32
crimsunscarlettecho: you can get mplayer from multiverse07:32
scarlettechocrimsun, I'm a complete newbie.  could you elaborate?07:33
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crimsunscarlettecho: make sure you have the multiverse and universe repositories enabled, then in a Terminal, type: sudo aptitude install mplayer-586=1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu607:34
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=== Efwis night everyone, time to sleep
amonkeymerc, i get that problem when i compile something with jdk but then try to run it with the runtime07:35
Xyc0too early for sleep07:35
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Xyc0sleep plenty when im dead07:35
amonkeymerc, try using the java executable that came with jdk07:35
fr500does anyone know a free ftp where i can upload stuff? i want to test my upstream bandwidth, console only07:35
lwsay i wanna blow away /opt/LimeWire/, what is the cmd?07:35
mercamonkey: ahh..k07:36
fr500lw, rm -rf /opt/LimeWire07:36
fr500as root07:36
Xyc0everything is free on linux07:36
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lwXyc0, free, as in free beer07:37
lwXyc0, for the most part07:37
fr500Xyc0, it's not "free" and thats not whay i asked07:37
Xyc0mmmmm beer07:37
Koihmm free beer07:37
Koiok so im i little better i found mdadm07:38
Xyc0free beer is ok, but good beer is worth it07:38
lwhow do i make a launcher that does the "force quit on next click" action?07:39
lwlike in gnome07:39
lwbut i wanna be able to do that in xfce07:39
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Xyc0xfce, is that any good?07:40
Xyc0Ive never tried it07:40
lwXyc0, yes07:40
lwXyc0, good on older to semi-older hardware07:41
lwXyc0, i love it07:41
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Xyc0how big is the install for it? would it fit on a flash drive?07:41
lwits not that big07:41
metzenXyc0: its nice, not as full featured as gnome, someone people dont want all the gnome bloat, but its not as stripped down as some of the really bare WMs like fluxbox or openbox07:42
jasmuzXyc0: Xfce rocks07:42
lwxfce is my fav of all07:42
Xyc0I will have to try messing with it07:42
lwXyc0, sudo apt-get install xfce407:42
Xyc0yea, i was looking at that last night07:42
lwXyc0, or go into synaptic and search for xfce and youll find a ton of plugins07:42
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lwi use it on a p3 1ghz07:43
lwand a p3 650mhz07:43
Xyc0all day i dream about sex yes all day i dream about sex07:43
Xyc0all day i dream about fucking!!!!!07:43
amonkeyi havn't listened to korn in ages07:43
Xyc0that song is just too awsome tho07:43
lwwatch the lang07:43
Xyc0Im listening to Family Values Tour07:43
Xyc0I apologise lw, I dont belive in censorship07:44
Xyc0they do offer some fine filters for IRC07:44
jbroomeyeah, they usually have @ in front of their names07:45
lwXyc0, this isnt a chat channel07:45
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Xyc0its a general channel, calm down07:46
anarky99Seveas: :)07:46
lwXyc0, no07:46
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anarky99Xyc0: whats the problem?07:46
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Xyc0anarky99: none, just chilling, seeing who needs help07:47
Xyc0anarky99: Why?07:47
syndXyc0: all day i dream about fucking!!!!!07:47
anarky99 < Xyc0> its a general channel, calm down07:47
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dunjahow can I get m4a's to play07:47
syndcomments such as that are not needed07:47
crimsundunja: you need libfaad* and faad*07:47
Xyc0oh ha synd was freaking out about me typing lyrics to ADIDAS07:47
synddunja, im not exactly certain, but i dont believe AAC protected play on linux..07:48
crimsundunja: both from debian-marillat07:48
syndXyc0, most certainly didnt "freak out"07:48
dunjahow do I install them?07:48
dunjaI'm new with linux07:48
crimsundunja: read wiki/RestrictedFormats07:48
IceDC571dunja, goto system > administration > synaptic package manager and search for those packages to install07:49
Xyc0synd: You certainly put a lot of effort into portraying my act as being non-helpful.07:49
IceDC571dunja, but right now i would recommend you read the ubuntu wiki07:49
dunjaok wait which packages?07:49
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syndXyc0, Stop. You made an unneeded comment. I told you to watch your language. End of story.07:49
dunjawhats ubuntu wiki?07:50
uboturestricted is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats07:50
Xyc0synd: I continued a little further then that if I recall, but yes lets leave it be.07:50
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syndhttp:// - if anyone is interested in tuning into my podcast07:53
syndnicecast* i mean07:53
Xyc03ddesktop is an awesome desktop toy if anyone wants to show off how awesome Linux is07:53
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IceDC571decss is illegal in the US? lol07:53
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scarlettechocrimsun, thank you.  I followed your advice and finally got it.  Much thanks!07:53
hondjecould you imagine differently? :)07:53
IceDC571ahh.. nothing is free in this country07:54
Xyc0Death is free07:54
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crimsunscarlettecho: np07:54
k1having some trouble following this tut for installing ipw2200 drivers http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26623 can anyone help?07:54
hondjeYour 1040 forms are free :)07:54
Xyc0its the only thing you have to do in life... die07:54
IceDC571hah.. thanks Xyc007:54
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hondjeThey just give those out like candy07:54
syndPrison is free.07:54
synd: >07:54
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Hans001can anyone explain to me the difference between debian and ubuntu ?07:54
k1I get to making the drivers and get this error: make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.07:55
syndHans001, in a nutshell, ubuntu is much like debian, except it got all the things right taht debian got wrong07:55
hondjealright, me and synd can make conbuntu07:55
Xyc0Hans001: Ubuntu is more focused on practicality and usability07:55
Hans001synd, explain more07:55
hondje*in a desktop environment07:55
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crimsunk1: why are you trying to compile the ipw2200 drivers?07:55
crimsunk1: they're already included with Hoary07:56
IceDC571Hans001, well im a linux newb but ubuntu is a sugar coated version of debian.. debian is a base of linux and ubuntu fixes, preconfigures, automates a lot of things the new user would want in a distro07:56
Hans001so ubuntu might not contain some of the packages that debian distro has ?07:56
Koimdadm --create --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb107:56
Xyc0Hans001: Debian is focused on adaptablilty with new hardware07:56
Koierror opening /dev/md0: No such file or directory07:56
k1my internet drops out if it's not constantly doing something, so I was told to try these drivers07:56
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Hans001IceD nice07:56
crimsunk1: you need to install linux-headers-$(uname -r)07:56
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Hans001when i ask in debian07:57
Xyc0Hans001: Ubuntu uses the Internet to install all the other packages through apt-get07:57
Hans001they start asking me about my distro07:57
matt_whats a good prorgram for playing windows media p;ayer files07:57
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syndmatt_, rhythmbox07:57
Hans001Xyc u mean building the whole system?07:57
syndmatt_, vlc07:57
syndmatt_, totem-xine07:57
matt_what do you think is better07:57
lancer285does anyone have cinelerra working in ubuntu?07:57
Hans001but with a dialup i would need the Cds badly07:58
syndmatt_, are they audio or video?07:58
Hans001and leave the apt-get throught the net for smaller apps07:58
IceDC571but if you want to start from scratch, configure everything, dont want any pre-configured add-ons.. then debian is for you07:58
Xyc0Hans001: No, i mean ubuntu installs everything Debian does, but through a single disk instead of the 7 debian uses07:58
mercanyone care to recommend a bittorrent client -- besides azureus?07:58
sysrqmerc: bittorrent07:58
syndHans001, the Ubuntu CD comes with most everything one needs07:58
IceDC571merc, gnome bittorrent?07:58
Xyc0merc: Azureus giving you troubles?07:58
mercXyc0: java, actually, but bah07:58
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Errejoanyone know when the next ubuntu release is?07:59
IceDC571did gnome bittorrent actually come with ubuntu? i'm surprised.. very nice07:59
Xyc0merc: I belive gnome has a bittorrent manager07:59
syndErrejo, oct07:59
merccool, thanks yall07:59
Hans001so, ubunto preconfigured, automated, where debian stops, ubunto continues07:59
Hans001i got the idea now,07:59
syndHans001, for the most part07:59
Xyc0Hans001: your close07:59
hondjefor a desktop07:59
Xyc0Ubuntu is not as fast as Debian is at getting out new software08:00
Xyc0Debian has a larger dev team too08:00
syndahh i love nicecast and vnc08:00
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Xyc0But ubuntu is awsome at making things practical08:00
doonzwill gnomebaker convert a wma file into a file that can be burnt as an audio cd?08:00
Hans001but if debian got a software i tink ubuntu sers can install it08:00
syndHans001, yes08:01
syndHans001, but generally not recommended because things might break08:01
hondjeUsually with little work work, but not as-is08:01
sugoruyohey folks can you guys help me set up my audio card??????08:01
crimsunsugoruyo: what card?08:01
Hans001u know it is a nice idea08:01
Xyc0sugoruyo: what is the card?08:01
matt_whats a good plugin for wmv08:01
sugoruyoaudigy es08:01
syndanyone listen to Uberzone?08:02
crimsunsugoruyo: give me the line from lspci -v08:02
Hans001because debian rocks, the only one thing that everyone complains about it is u need to configure everything which hard for a newbie08:02
Xyc0sugoruyo: are you using digital out?08:02
lancer285guys, is there a .deb package for cinelerra??08:02
Hans001seems this is fixed and in the end it is good for debian itself08:02
matt_whats a good mozilla plugin for wmv08:02
sugoruyoi just want sound from a standard pair of pc speakers08:02
Xyc0Hans001: Debian Rocks = Ubuntu Rocks08:02
Xyc0sugoruyo: alsamixer08:03
Xyc0sugoruyo: type that in terminal08:03
Hans001i like the idea08:03
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Xyc0sugoruyo: you can mute and unmute all the other channels08:03
maewhats the name of the wireless applet that ubuntu has08:03
syndtime to go play in #macosx08:03
Hans001how many Cds availble for ubuntu?08:03
crimsunXyc0: please don't suggest that.08:03
Hans001I think i will download it08:03
Xyc0crimsun: .... its how to do it08:04
djsHans001: One08:04
sugoruyowould it work without me installing something?08:04
sugoruyocrimsun, 0000:02:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03)08:04
sugoruyothis is one08:04
Hans001does it have kde or i will have to get it from ubuntu respitories08:04
crimsunsugoruyo: please pase the output from amixer onto pastebin.com08:04
sugoruyooops sorry08:05
crimsunXyc0: no, he simply needs to unmute the 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack'08:05
Xyc0thru alsamixer08:05
sugoruyoit also finds the on-board audio which i think is AC9708:05
sugoruyowait a sec08:05
crimsunXyc0: he can use any mixer, really08:05
crimsunXyc0: the important part is that he toggle that default setting (in Hoary)08:05
djsHans001: If you want KDE.  Have a look at "kubuntu" - http://www.kubuntu.org/08:06
Xyc0does Kubuntu use the same repos as ubuntu?08:06
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Xyc0then one should be able to install KDE via apt-get08:07
sugoruyolook i have 2 audio cards it seems08:07
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Adrossis there anyway to stop nautilus saving the location of where each folder was opened when you use it, so it doesn't jump around and whatnot?08:07
sugoruyoone on-board and the audigy08:07
Xyc0sugoruyo: make sure everything is set to the audigy then08:07
sugoruyothing is when i go into alsamixer i see Intel ICH5 as my audio card08:08
sugoruyowhich obviously refers to the m/b card08:08
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sugoruyoi can't get pastebin to load...08:08
Xyc0sugoruyo: ah your right, does that to my lappy too08:08
mikassugoruyo, try alsamixer -c 108:09
sugoruyoi'll use the one in the topic08:09
sugoruyonow i get sound blaster audigy as the audio card08:10
sugoruyoi should just play with the volume settings?08:10
mikassugoruyo, try those08:10
mikasmaster, pcm and front were low for me with my audigy08:11
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Xyc0sugoruyo: No need, look for the Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack08:11
sugoruyoi found it08:11
sugoruyobut it has no bar08:11
sugoruyoit says its off08:11
Xyc0press m08:11
sugoruyook it got green08:12
Xyc0that mutes and unmutes it08:12
sugoruyoshouldn't i get a bar though?08:12
Xyc0should work ok08:12
IceDC571no bars means its just a switch08:12
Xyc0nah, you can adjust the surround settings if you want the side speakers louder tho08:12
sugoruyohow do i test sound now08:12
Xyc0play some music08:12
Xyc0or click shet to make sounds08:12
sugoruyoi got none on the disc08:12
IceDC571anyone know a free video i could download to test my totem player?08:13
regeyaoy vey.08:13
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regeyaanyone have some free porn I can use to test pornview?08:13
crimsunsugoruyo: play a wav file in /usr/share/08:13
crimsun/usr/share/sounds/  rather08:13
jasmuzpornview hahah08:13
Xyc0you put in a fav cd08:13
IceDC571regeya, are you serious?08:14
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regeyaporn is so hard to find08:14
IceDC571not really08:14
Xyc0IceDC571: What are you trying to test?08:14
mikasregeya, and you can't test it with any other pics? :)08:14
IceDC571Xyc0, the sound in my totem player seems not to be working, i just want to make sure08:14
regeyathat's the sound of something flying over IceDC571's head; not sure what it was.08:14
Xyc0regeya: www.empornium.us08:15
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mercXyc0: puretna.com is better imo ;)08:15
dougskhttp://tinyurl.com/85fgc has some theora files from the gaudec talk08:15
crimsunporn is way offtopic. Keep it outta here, please.08:15
Xyc0IceDC571: www.ubuntuguide.org08:15
IceDC571Xyc0, are you serious?08:16
Xyc0IceDC571: that site will help you do alot on ubuntu08:16
zythhow do I change the default program for opening mp3s on my system?08:16
regeyasorry, crimsun, and sorry, all, for the sarcasm, since it seems to have been lost on EVERYONE.08:16
IceDC571we're not supposed to recommend ubuntuguide! i dont need help lol08:16
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dougskIceDC571, why not? it's a great resource.08:16
gm78Hey all. Wanna hear something funny (as well as embarrassing)??? That router problem ive been complaining about for days was a problem with my setup of firestarter :P08:16
IceDC571Xyc0, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines read #308:16
IceDC571dougsk, read it too08:17
tagdoes ubuntu have apt?08:17
crimsunregeya: I don't have a problem with it, but some others may, and we cater to those others.08:17
crimsuntag: yes.08:17
tagthats what I thought08:17
gm78tag, yes, ubuntu is based on debian and has apt08:17
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sugoruyonothin comin out the speakers08:17
IceDC571I got slammed for recommending ubuntuguide in the first place from the admins here08:17
dougskIceDC571, bah. It works, it's in one nice page, I'll admit marillat is probably not that great to install right now08:18
Xyc0IceDC571: wow I quit linux.  ubuntuguide.org helped me so much more then anything ubuntu put out officially.  I will not stand by idly while elitist oppress the inexperienced08:18
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crimsunsugoruyo: did you ever paste the output from amixer onto pastebin?08:18
sugoruyocrimsun, i told u i can't get onto pastebin08:18
sugoruyoi used the one in the topic08:18
crimsunsugoruyo: there are many pastebins08:19
unomeupgrade time!08:19
crimsunsugoruyo: just tell me the url you used08:19
crimsun(the full url)08:19
IceDC571Xyc0, i agree actually.. but the admins kill me everytime i mention it08:19
sugoruyoit's in the topic...08:19
Xyc0sugoruyo: just use pastbin's main site08:19
crimsunsugoruyo: (no, your paste)08:19
Xyc0IceDC571: then let them do their job, and Ill do mine08:19
sugoruyoi haven't used a pastebin before08:19
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crimsunIceDC571: / Xyc0: there is NOTHING wrong with recommending ubuntuguide, but always add the disclaimer that it's unofficial.08:20
Xyc0crimsun: dido08:20
regeyathat'd be a great thing for the /topic, crimsun08:20
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Alia25Happy bday to me! :D08:21
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topyliheh. congrats08:21
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IceDC571Alia26, is that your age?08:21
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Xyc0Alia26: Ha ha you should do that in every channel untill your Alia10008:22
Alia26yep ;)08:22
fr500can i use htb to throttle down upload traffic?08:22
Alia26i hope i don't go that far08:22
crimsunsugoruyo: is that all the output from amixer?08:22
gobeavsanyone else want xfire ported to linux? :(08:22
sugoruyou think something's missing?08:22
crimsunfr500: you sure can08:22
sugoruyomaybe i missed it08:23
IceDC571xfire? hmm..08:23
taggm78: During the ubuntu installation it you have to provide a root password right?  (the answer should be "duh" I would think but a non-unix-person friend of mine installed ubuntu and I'm trying to help him, he doesn't seem to know his root password)08:23
sugoruyoi'll repaste08:23
fr500crimsun, i set a qdisc just like the one i use for download, and i try an upload, it doesnt work08:23
gobeavstag: no, no root password08:23
crimsuntag: no, there's no place to provide a root password, only a normal person's password.08:23
tagoh really?08:23
fr500crimsun, it's a sameple rate limit08:23
gobeavstag: yeah, only the users password for sudo08:23
IceDC571Fedora installation crashes everytime i install it.. maybe its a sign, i should stay away? hahah hmm..08:23
tagso to switch to uid 0, he doesn't need a password he just enters blank?08:23
tagso to get uid 0 he needs to use sudo?08:23
tagthat's awfully strange08:24
gobeavsubuntu uses sudo08:24
crimsunfr500: did you follow a traffic-shaping guide?08:24
Xyc0tag: Ubuntu uses Super user operations, no need for root08:24
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gobeavsyou could do "sudo passwd root"08:24
gobeavswhich gives you the option to get a root password, for normal su08:24
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fr500crimsun, not totally, just the basics, but the download throtthling works great08:24
IceDC571would sudo rm -rf * destroy my whole filesystem?08:25
fr500IceDC571, depends on what folder are you in :p08:25
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IceDC571i thought recursive.. oh wait im stupid. haha08:25
IceDC571it would only destroy folders from there on08:25
fr500crimsun, may i pm u with what am i using?08:26
sugoruyocrimsun, ok i repasted it but it's the same...08:26
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tagin ubuntu; where is the apt sources list?08:27
crimsunfr500: you're better off following a (better) traffic shaping guide08:27
crimsuntag: the same place it is in Debian, /etc/apt/sources.list08:27
Gumbydoes anyone here know of a decent network application that will show all wireless AP's present at a given time and allow me to select it by just clicking on it?08:27
metzentag: /etc/apt/source.list08:27
IceDC571so it would be 'sudo rm -rf /*' ?08:27
fr500crimsun, yes i know, i'm just testing for now, but i don't know why it isnt working08:27
lancer285what do I need to play quicktime movies??08:28
metzenIceDC571: thats a dangerous thing to paste in a newbie help channel08:28
tagdoes he have to use sudo to edit it?08:28
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jasmuzlancer285: w32codecs08:28
IceDC571lancer285, w32codecs08:28
IceDC571ahh you beat me to it08:28
Xyc0lancer285: the quicktime codecs08:28
crimsunsugoruyo: ok, then we'll upgrade alsa-source.08:28
lancer285lol, thanks08:28
crimsunsugoruyo: enable the universe repo, then install linux-headers-$(uname -r), build-essential, and alsa-source08:28
tagis there a single mode visual editor installed by default in ubuntu?08:28
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taglike ee; pico; something like that.08:29
sugoruyocrimsun, how the f* do i do all that (i'm just starting)08:29
Xyc0tag: gedit?08:29
sobersabrehi. why my splashy started being smaller than my monitor ... ?08:29
metzentag: nano08:29
crimsunsugoruyo: wiki/UniversePackages08:29
lancer285what package are the w32codecs in??08:29
crimsunsugoruyo: sudo aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source08:29
jasmuzgood night people08:29
IceDC571am i the only one who uses vi instead of nano?08:30
topylilancer285: w32codecs :)08:30
Xyc0lancer285: sudo apt-get install w32codecs08:30
crimsunIceDC571: no, everyone else in the world uses emacs.08:30
djsIceDC571: No :)08:30
metzenIceDC571: no way08:30
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sobersabreIceDC571, you must feel very special. but vi sux. it is old. use vim !08:30
mikasi use vim :)08:30
sugoruyowait i think i enabled the universe repo reading that (we don't say it's name) guide08:30
IceDC571vim? hmm...08:30
crimsunsugoruyo: better ensure you _have_ enabled it :)08:31
Xyc0gedit is good unless you are trying to look cool while editing files08:31
djsOn ubuntu vi is linked to vim08:31
sobersabregedit is great too. but if you work with X08:31
maupernedit is the way to go ;)08:31
IceDC571gedit floods my terminal with unnecessary strings08:31
tagis there an ubuntu apt source that includes mplayer or can I just give him the debian unstable ones?08:31
lancer285Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.08:31
lancer285This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or08:31
lancer285is only available from another source08:31
lancer285E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate08:31
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sobersabreIceDC571, this is because you let it to.08:31
Xyc0lancer285: dont paste in channel08:32
IceDC571oh do i? lets see08:32
sobersabreIceDC571, and you don't have to be neanderthal, you can run gedit without typing gedit.08:32
Xyc0lancer285: www.ubuntuguide.org08:32
Octanehow would i forcibly remove a package, like in yum --force08:32
sugoruyocrimsun, i have uncommented the 2 lines indicated in sources.list08:32
sugoruyowould that be enough?08:32
crimsunsugoruyo: hopefully the appropriate 2 lines ;)08:32
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Xyc0lancer285: click the link, How to install Multimedia Codecs?08:33
djstag: Add multiverse to the repositories08:33
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sugoruyocrimsun, deb http://gr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe08:33
IceDC571wait, gedit doesnt leave crap in my terminal anymore.. wow.. i never noticed that08:33
crimsunsugoruyo: looks good08:33
sugoruyocrimsun, & the 1 below with -src08:33
sugoruyoso what's the next step?08:33
gehelHello ! I'd like to start gaim each time I login under X11. Where should I do that ?08:34
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crimsunsugoruyo: I gave you the next step; scroll up and execute that aptitude command08:34
IceDC571last time i was using fedora and it gave me a bunch of gtk warnings when i launched gedit from the terminal08:34
IceDC571i love Ubuntu!08:34
Xyc0lancer285: http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs  sorry forgot i could send that link08:34
DarkfusionWill Ubuntu detect and configure properly if connected to an HDTV?08:34
monchichigehel: just leave gaim running, logout and check "save .."08:35
Xyc0IceDC571: yea, i tried pushing FC, but ubuntu makes so much sence08:35
lancer285Xyc0 thanks for the help!08:35
Xyc0lancer285: sure, take a look around that site, it helps a ton08:35
sugoruyocrimsun, ok dling about 40 megs08:36
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lancer285Xyc0, totall, i'll BM it.08:36
IceDC571Xyc0, well.. the 4 cds download everytime they release a new version is enough to make me switch08:36
gehelmonchichi, right, I didnt think of that one ! Thanks ! But I'm still curious, where is it saved ? I thought there  was a .xinitrc, but cant find it back ...08:36
Octanecan someone please tell me how i could forcibly remove a package that has deps08:36
IceDC571apt-get for rpms.. hehehe08:37
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Xyc0IceDC571: you only need to use 3, and there are workarounds where you dont have to burn them to disks.  But overall, ubuntu is focused on practicality, where FC4 is focused on testing new software for RHE08:38
sugoruyocan anyone tell me something about non-english support?08:38
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fr500crimsun, i think you need imq for ingress shaping08:39
concept10Octane, why do you want to do that08:39
fr500crimsun, still a lot to red fegt08:39
djsOctane: Typing "dpkg --force-help" in a terminal window gives some pointers08:39
monchichigehel: there is ~/.gnome2/session-manual, or there is also a gui editor in system->administration->sessions or something like that, im not in gnome right now so im not sure exactly08:39
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monchichigehel: i think you can use a .xinitrc too, but dont do that, i think that would make gaim will run before gnome-session08:41
gehelmonchichi, ok, thanks a lot ! I'll have a look at ~/.gnome2 ...08:41
IceDC571im really waiting for gaim to support direct connections properly08:42
topylisugoruyo: there are local groups. there are also #ubuntu-xx channels on freenode on several locales08:43
Octanedjs: thank you08:43
Xyc0IceDC571: DC on gaim works well with other gaim users08:43
djsOctane: yw08:43
IceDC571Xyc0, nice.. now i gotta get all my windows friends to switch08:44
IceDC571i wonder if its possible to run wine with the old aim versions08:44
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sugoruyotopyli, thanks but there's no -el channel08:44
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topylisugoruyo: you have to found one :)08:45
sugoruyotopyli, well i would if i was good enough with linux..08:45
sugoruyotopyli, and also if the locals hanged out more on freenode08:46
Octaneugh, now i cant apt-build install cuz its missing a dep08:46
sugoruyotopyli, it's something to do with fonts i think08:46
topylisugoruyo: advertise your channel on local media and hopefully the gurus will come chat on it08:46
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sugoruyotopyli, local media don't give a dime about computers and especially linux'08:47
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sugoruyotopyli, i could try founding one with a friend from debian-dev on the local irc network though08:48
topylisugoruyo: perhaps the local debian community could even help :)08:48
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sugoruyotopyli, in the meantime i just need the ability to read/write greek in abiword/openoffice08:48
sugoruyotopyli, i doubt that08:48
sugoruyotopyli, they're mad at ubuntu08:49
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tagwhy would apt in ubuntu ask for a cdrom?08:49
sobersabresugoruyo, you need to be a leader, to be kool... so people wanna be like you... and hang around with you ...08:49
sobersabreand about greek... just define the proper locale, and install greek fonts.08:49
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monchichitag: check your /etc/apt/sources.lst08:50
sugoruyosobersabre, what's that got to do with debian folks being mad at ubuntu?08:50
IceDC571http://www.finnie.org/stuff/ubuntu-porn/ i found this while searching ubuntu in google image search08:50
djstag: to save you bandwidth - if the version of the package you're installing is the same as on the install CD08:50
sugoruyosobersabre, it's the installing fonts i don't how to do...08:50
monchichitag: and comment out the cd08:50
Octanelol IceDC57108:50
IceDC571why does ubuntu have people modeling naked?08:50
sobersabresugoruyo, apt-get install ...08:50
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sobersabrethen in oo08:50
monchichiwhats wrong with people modeling naked?08:50
sugoruyosobersabre, go on go on08:50
IceDC571nothing :)08:51
sobersabreyou have a oopadmin or oopadmin2 ( depends on the version )08:51
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topylisugoruyo: sometimes debianites don't like ubuntu that's true. it's not always true on the local level though08:51
sobersabreand u need to point it to the fonts.08:51
sugoruyotopyli, well it is particularly true on MY local level08:52
sobersabremaybe you need to run this padmin tool as root.08:52
sobersabreplay with it.08:52
sugoruyosobersabre, can u give some guideline on what to do with this?08:53
sugoruyoi had done this in the past but i forgot :(08:53
sobersabreit is GUI. what guidelines do you need!?!?08:53
sobersabrego to font's , add, select, apply , ok blablabla08:53
Octaneafter i do an apt-build is there a way to force install what i just built from source08:53
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s0n1cm0nk3yanybody know a good serv and channel to ask about windows managers?08:54
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topyliOctane: if you built it on your box, it should install cleanly i'm sure :)08:54
sugoruyosobersabre, i only see font replacement08:54
topylisugoruyo: you have the wrong tools08:54
monchichis0n1cm0nk3y: about window managers in general or a specific one..?08:55
s0n1cm0nk3yin general08:55
sobersabrethere is special SPadmin tool in ubuntu it is named oopadmin08:55
s0n1cm0nk3ystill deciding08:55
s0n1cm0nk3ypref flux and gnome08:55
sugoruyoin oo.org help it says i got to use ./spadmin in the oo.org dir08:55
crimsunsugoruyo: finished installing yet? I have to sleep soon.08:55
sobersabresugoruyo, and you need to run it via sudo08:55
sobersabreto be root.08:55
sugoruyocrimsun, sorry i'm on 384k adsl08:55
sugoruyocrimsun, i'm going full speed but i need some time08:55
sugoruyocrimsun, 2 more minutes08:56
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s0n1cm0nk3y....sorry, watching monty python and the holy grail as i talk on irc08:56
s0n1cm0nk3yput that up so there wasnt any confusion on what i was laughing at08:56
sugoruyosobersabre, i still get the same stuff08:56
monchichis0n1cm0nk3y: umm.. i dont know? are you looking for developers? try #e #fluxbox #gnome etc..08:57
s0n1cm0nk3ymonchichi : just a place to ask questions08:57
sobersabrei am sorry... press all the buttons until you get to the fonts.08:57
monchichis0n1cm0nk3y: ask here :)08:57
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sobersabrei won't launch it now. no way08:57
parabolizes0n1cm0nk3y: ask08:57
mercxwinman.org has lots of screenies etc08:58
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mercwith links to homepages blah blah08:58
mercxwinman.org has lots of screenies etc08:58
s0n1cm0nk3yhehehe, accidently canceled out08:58
s0n1cm0nk3yokay first off08:58
s0n1cm0nk3ydoes flux support transparent panels?08:58
gallonegrohmm anyone know they can help me fix my sound, it sounds like its mono, and sratchy08:58
gallonegroand its not the speakers08:58
sugoruyosobersabre, i go to oo.org08:59
sugoruyoand it says open ./spadmin from installpath.08:59
topyligallonegro: ooh. hi-fi console beeps :)08:59
sugoruyowhat is the installpath for oo.org08:59
monchichis0n1cm0nk3: yes, but its panel isnt really a panel..08:59
s0n1cm0nk3yi know it kind of does, but i mean like full transparent08:59
sugoruyocrimsun, ok done08:59
s0n1cm0nk3yso i can just have the font08:59
sugoruyocrimsun, what now??08:59
gallonegrohuh, no mp3, cd's and everything else sounds like crap09:00
crimsunsugoruyo: cd /usr/src && sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source09:00
crimsunsugoruyo: choose "no" for PnP, "yes" for debug, and the emu10k1 driver09:00
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monchichis0n1cm0nk3: im not sure, i havent used in a long time, i think so though, you can set the opacity to 0 in the menu09:00
sugoruyoi did now what?09:01
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s0n1cm0nk3ymonchichi : how you configure it, i tried using it on ubuntu, but all i got was a blank right click menu09:01
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s0n1cm0nk3ymonchichi : do you have to modify a file or something/09:01
crimsunsugoruyo: sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)09:02
monchichis0n1cm0nk3y: i really dont know... try #fluxbox09:02
s0n1cm0nk3ymonchichi : umm.....then i could ask you about gnome, or are you not using gnome/09:02
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monchichis0n1cm0nk3y: i use gnome and e17 ;)09:03
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parabolizes0n1cm0nk3y: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docbook/en/html/09:03
sugoruyocrimsun, damn man, that's a lot of stuff....09:04
s0n1cm0nk3ymonchichi : whats e17? enlightenment?09:04
parabolizenew enlightenment09:04
topylicrimsun: heh. that's a one-liner. just paste it in :)09:04
sugoruyocrimsun, what exactly am i doing right now?09:04
crimsunsugoruyo: you're taking over the world.09:05
sugoruyocrimsun, lol09:05
topylisugoruyo: i menant you, not crimsun ^09:05
crimsunsugoruyo: seriously, though, you're compiling a new driver version09:05
sugoruyocrimsun, ok09:05
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sugoruyotopyli, i wasn't talking about the typing09:05
topylisugoruyo: you actually want to know. that's good09:05
sobersabresugoruyo, did u add the fonts ?09:06
sugoruyotopyli, no big deal, it just started churning out thousands of lines with filenames & stuff09:06
sugoruyosobersabre, no yet09:06
sugoruyosobersabre, when i'm done crimsun who needs sleep :)09:06
sugoruyosobersabre, i think i know the problem though09:07
sugoruyosobersabre, i need to run it from the installpath09:07
sugoruyosobersabre, seems there's 2 spadmin programs09:07
sobersabredo u have ooo2 or ooo ?09:07
s0n1cm0nk3ymonchichi : so what is e17?09:08
sugoruyosobersabre, 1 in ~ & 1 in /usr/lib09:08
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sugoruyocrimsun, ok done09:09
sugoruyocrimsun, what now?09:09
monchichis0n1cm0nk3y: its the new enlightenment09:09
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parabolizes0n1cm0nk3y: http://enlightenment.org/Enlightenment/DR17/index.html09:10
crimsunsugoruyo: ls ../*.deb09:10
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monchichis0n1cm0nk3y: still under development, but mostly functional09:10
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sugoruyocrimsun, ok i say a deb file, i think i just created it...09:11
s0n1cm0nk3ysounds sweet09:11
crimsunsugoruyo: sudo dpkg -i ../*.deb09:11
phyzhelp me pls09:11
phyzi needed help09:11
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sugoruyocrimsun, ok installing09:11
parabolizes0n1cm0nk3y: e16 on the other hand is very stable.09:11
monchichis0n1cm0nk3y: its going to be sickwhen complete, packed with eye-candy but runs fast09:11
phyzsomebody help me09:12
phyzmy detection wizard failure09:12
topyliphyz: you haven't asked, you're just flooding the channel :)09:12
parabolizeand a good file manager. ;)09:12
s0n1cm0nk3yim a minimalist09:12
phyzi cannot browse internet09:12
sugoruyocrimsun, i just got some message box in gnome saying sound volume control terminated unxepectedly, and the term command just finished09:12
s0n1cm0nk3ybut i do like this one http://enlightenment.org/Enlightenment/DR17/index.html09:12
sugoruyocrimsun, so now what?09:12
monchichioh its minimal09:12
parabolizes0n1cm0nk3y: use open box then09:12
monchichibut sexy minimal09:12
crimsunsugoruyo: good, now log out and back in09:13
s0n1cm0nk3yill have to check it out when i get gentoo up and running09:13
sugoruyocrimsun, and that should do it?09:13
topyliphyz: we still don't know what you're doing and what is failing. "cannot browse the net" is not much to go on09:14
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parabolizes0n1cm0nk3y: somebody on the forms made a deb for e17 i think.09:14
s0n1cm0nk3ydeb as in debian?09:14
monchichior theres a script for e17 out there that will download the cvs and build it automagically09:14
topylideb as in ubuntu09:15
k1hey i've just got this gps device, plugging it into my usb port and trying to use gpsdrive, but i don't know what the interface is for it. how do I find it?09:15
phyzmy firefox browser cannot browse anywebsite even ubuntu.org09:15
phyzso what should i do09:15
topyliphyz: can you ping any sites? try "ping google.com"09:15
sugoruyocrimsun, u there?09:15
phyzbut now i'm chatting in xirc with no problem09:15
phyzwho's from malaysia?09:16
topylino, they're british i think09:16
crimsunsugoruyo: sure09:16
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sugoruyocrimsun, 1 last thing: can u tell me: a. where to find the stuff i dled09:17
crimsunsugoruyo: which stuff?09:17
ubotuI heard backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/09:17
sugoruyocrimsun, b. what the commands that i run were?09:17
s0n1cm0nk3ymonchichi : does e 17 have full pictured desktop switchers like this one http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=189090298541c9ed4687972&m=screen ?09:17
sugoruyocrimsun, i just dled some files didn't i?09:17
s0n1cm0nk3ycuz that looks great09:17
phyzok ok..09:17
phyzi was one of malaysian newbie09:18
phyzso pls help me09:18
parabolizes0n1cm0nk3y: i think that is e17. ;)09:18
crimsunsugoruyo: but _which_ files?09:19
monchichis0n1cm0nk3y: yeah, it has a great pager09:19
crimsunsugoruyo: the source files are in /usr/src09:19
s0n1cm0nk3ygnome is okay09:19
phyzis there's manual configuration to detect for my smartlink pci modem because my ubuntu hardware detection wizard were failure..stuck when reach mouse detection09:19
s0n1cm0nk3ybut i have the basic outlines09:19
sugoruyocrimsun, what do u mean which files?, any file i just dled09:19
s0n1cm0nk3ynot as cool or sleek as that09:19
crimsunsugoruyo: the binaries of the build-dependencies are cached in /var/cache/apt/archives09:19
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monchichis0n1cm0nk3y: thats an e16 screenshot tho, i think09:20
monchichicause of the epplets and iconbox09:20
crimsunsugoruyo: there's a distinction between the files you downloaded and the file you used to compile the new drivers09:20
s0n1cm0nk3yerr ok09:20
crimsunsugoruyo: that's why I asked "which files"09:20
sugoruyocrimsun, can u explain a bit?09:20
monchichis0n1cm0nk3y: but the e17 pager is great, and that icon launcher on the bottom is "engage"09:20
crimsunsugoruyo: normally when you install a package, the files are cached in /var/cache/apt/archives09:21
sugoruyocrimsun, i know that from using synaptic09:21
parabolizemonchichi: you sure? it has engage on there...09:21
sugoruyocrimsun, i just would like u to explain the process i just performed09:21
crimsunsugoruyo: but the case of ubuntuized kernel module source means that _those_ are placed in /usr/src, not /var/cache/apt/archives09:21
phyzshould i download anyfile for my smartlink pic modem?09:21
crimsunsugoruyo: the first thing you did was install the required packages for building the newer drivers.09:22
sugoruyocrimsun, u know like a very brief description of what each command does09:22
crimsunsugoruyo: then, simply, you built the new drivers.09:22
_0killsnight everybody09:22
monchichiparabolize: no, not sure, but i think engage will run in any environment09:22
parabolizemonchichi: yes it will. but why build all the stuff for it and not e17?09:23
sugoruyocrimsun, sorry for bugging about that but can you tell me the commands again, cause i can't scroll up to them any more09:23
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sugoruyocrimsun, and stupidly :( i didn't copy-paste 'em somewhere09:23
crimsunsugoruyo: ok, you installed the build-dependencies, then you configured the alsa-source package (telling the Debian package management system to compile emu10k1 drivers), then you extracted the kernel source, then you used the Ubuntu infrastructure to compile the drivers, then you installed the compiled drivers09:24
crimsunsugoruyo: cd /usr/src && sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source09:24
sugoruyocrimsun, damn *I* did all that? man I'm good... :D09:24
crimsunsugoruyo: choose "no" for PnP, "yes" for debug, and the emu10k1 driver09:24
monchichiparabolize: good question. :) maybe for stability..?09:24
crimsunsugoruyo: sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)09:25
crimsunI really need to sleep, though09:25
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sugoruyocrimsun, i know sorry for keeping u soooooo long09:25
crimsunsugoruyo: so, any luck with the new drivers?09:26
sugoruyocrimsun, i just thought i should keep that archived for future use09:26
sugoruyoi'll try  now09:26
sugoruyocrimsun, good zzzzz's thanks a lot09:26
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crimsunwell, at least let me know if it works or not09:27
monchichis0n1cm0nk3y: http://get-e.org is a good resource if you decide to check out e1709:27
sugoruyocrimsun, sure wait a sec09:27
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cyphaseI have a problem with my Internet. Anyone know how to get the screens smaller?09:28
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sugoruyocrimsun, it works like a charm09:29
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crimsun-> Z09:30
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sugoruyocrimsun, 2 more q's plz?09:30
sugoruyocrimsun, a.can i make those into a script?09:30
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crimsunsugoruyo: sure09:30
zooplehello good people :-)09:30
sugoruyocrimsun, it will work in kde right?09:30
crimsunsugoruyo: sure09:30
s0n1cm0nk3yi know its off subject09:31
s0n1cm0nk3ybut anybody seen the lindsay lohan ep of snl09:31
zoople just wondering if anyone can help me get my network printer to work with ubuntu09:31
s0n1cm0nk3yfunny stuff, watching it now09:31
sugoruyocrimsun, ok so for the script i just place 'em in a text file change the perms and execute?09:31
crimsunsugoruyo: you may09:31
sugoruyocrimsun, i didn't make any decisions myself so it is pretty straightforward09:31
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sugoruyocrimsun, just a bunch( or batch :) of commands09:32
sugoruyocrimsun, thanks a whole09:32
sugoruyocrimsun, lot09:32
sugoruyocrimsun, i've been trying forever09:32
parabolizecyphase: alt + middle mouse botton drag?09:32
crimsunnp. Keep in mind these commands are documented in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian09:32
sugoruyocrimsun, ok i really shouldn't keep you any longer09:32
parabolizebutton, whatever09:32
sugoruyocrimsun, nice09:33
sugoruyocrimsun, 1 problem i always have with linux is not knowing where to start with the docs :D so many09:33
sugoruyocrimsun, i didn't know about these though09:33
sugoruyocrimsun, ok guess u've had enough of me, i'll shut up now09:34
crimsunnp, I'd be glad to stay, but I have to work in a few hours and am not as young as I used to be09:34
cyphaseparabolize, i was kidding you know09:34
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sugoruyocrimsun, oh one last thingy09:35
sugoruyocrimsun, sorry09:35
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sugoruyocrimsun, but amarok won't make any sound? :(09:35
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parabolizecyphase: sure, just make me look stupid... :P09:35
sugoruyocrimsun, don't care about amarok in specific but i'm thinking kde apps might not like my audigy being the second audio card09:36
sugoruyocrimsun, so where should i look to make it the first one?09:36
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sugoruyocrimsun, or should i just disable the on-board one from bios?09:37
crimsunsugoruyo: echo "options snd-intel8x0 index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base09:37
sugoruyocrimsun, will this add the echoed line in the file/09:38
topylisugoruyo: the onboard chip might add some confusion. it did for me09:38
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topylii disabled it09:38
crimsunsugoruyo: yes.09:38
sugoruyocrimsun, ok so log in again right?09:39
crimsunsugoruyo: no, for that you need to restart ALSA or simply reboot09:40
crimsunbut you don't _have_ to reboot09:40
sugoruyocrimsun, that's no prob09:40
crimsunsudo invoke-rc.d alsa force-reload09:40
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sugoruyocrimsun, good09:40
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sugoruyostill no sound from amarok...09:43
sugoruyono juk as well09:44
ivoks_reviewerengine in amarok is?09:44
Amaranthivoks_reviewer: it can be gstreamer, i guess09:44
ivoks_reviewerAmaranth: i know that09:45
sugoruyono matter i like gnome better than kde09:45
ivoks_reviewerAmaranth: but what does sugoruyo has?09:45
sugoruyoi think09:45
sugoruyoivoks_reviewer, what?09:45
ivoks_reviewersugoruyo: what engine did you setup in amarok?09:45
Amaranthsugoruyo: If you like GNOME why not use rhythmbox or muine? :)09:45
sugoruyoi didn't set any engine09:46
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srbakeri have an ipod and a usb key09:46
sugoruyoAmaranth, i just test kde as well to see if everything works ok09:46
ivoks_reviewersugoruyo: set it to gstreamer09:46
srbakerboth show up as /dev/sda1 (i never put them in at the same time)09:46
srbakeris it possible to tell fstab that my ipod should be /media/ipod, and the key /media/key?09:46
unomexine engine works better09:46
srbakeror hotplug, or whatever?09:46
sugoruyoivoks_reviewer, i have only 'no engine' in amarok menu09:47
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ivoks_reviewersrbaker: via udev, yes09:47
sugoruyoivoks_reviewer, :-/09:47
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ivoks_reviewersugoruyo: that's the problem :)09:47
zoopleconfigure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH09:47
srbakerivoks_reviewer, where do i look for docs on that?09:47
ivoks_reviewersugoruyo: install amarok-gstreamer09:47
Amaranthsrbaker: I don't think the key is a seperate partition.09:47
sugoruyoivoks_reviewer, apt-get i guess?09:47
srbakerwell, whichever.09:47
d-mandoes anyone in here have any experience in promoting software?09:47
srbakeri forget09:47
topylizoople: apt-get install build-essential09:47
ivoks_reviewersugoruyo: right09:47
ivoks_reviewersrbaker: well, there are examples on the ned09:47
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ivoks_reviewersrbaker: well, there are examples on the net09:47
sugoruyoi've no idea about apt though09:47
black-whisphmm how do i remove a program that is not installed with apt???09:48
srbakerivoks_reviewer, url me?09:48
unomefind the files and delete them09:48
ivoks_reviewersrbaker: basicly, you have to make udev create /dev/stick device09:48
sugoruyoivoks_reviewer, still no sound09:48
ivoks_reviewersrbaker: i don't know any URL09:48
ivoks_reviewersugoruyo: sudo apt-get install amarok-gstreamer09:48
hyphenatedblack-whisp: did you compile it yourself?09:48
sugoruyoivoks_reviewer, do i need to restart alsa for this to work?09:48
sugoruyoivoks_reviewer, i just did09:48
ivoks_reviewersugoruyo: and then choose gstreamer for an engine09:48
black-whisphyphenated: i installled it from a .sh  file.09:48
sugoruyoi see aRts only09:49
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ivoks_reviewerthat's not ok09:49
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ivoks_reviewerthere must be gstreamer09:49
sugoruyoivoks_reviewer, ok now i see gstreamer as well09:49
sugoruyoivoks_reviewer, yeah you're right it works09:49
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sugoruyohow about juk though09:49
ivoks_reviewersugoruyo: sugoruyo are you in gnome or kde?09:49
unomeblack-whisp: check if it has an uninstall script .sh uninstall09:49
ivoks_reviewerset it to gstreamer and then try09:50
zoopletopyli: thanks09:50
sugoruyook juk output set to gstreamer an works09:50
sugoruyothanks a lot ppl09:50
sugoruyoeverything works now09:50
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ivoks_reviewertime to eat :)09:50
sugoruyocrimsun, thanks again09:51
zoopleconfigure: error: zinf needs zlib installed ??09:51
kupahi.. can some help me with the cd of ubuntu?09:52
kupalive cd09:52
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Tomcat_Ha ha! Your puny viruses won't work on my mighty Ubuntu system!! O_O09:52
topylizoople: install the zlib-dev package09:53
kupaya i need with that...09:53
kupathe live cd,09:53
topylizoople: and -dev packages for other stuff it may complain about09:53
bob2zoople: zlib1g-dev09:53
cafuegoIt's not that sort of virus09:53
kupasomething about x sever09:53
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unomehi bob2!09:53
darkmantuxof spain09:54
bob2you'd need to tell us the error09:54
zooplehow do i install then09:54
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kuparor: temperaly failer in name resoulishion09:55
topylizoople: install what?09:55
bob2it actually says "ror"?09:55
zooplethe zlib-dev09:55
bob2and presumably it says "temporary failure in name resolution"09:55
zalimgood day09:55
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topylizoople: bob2 found the exact package, so you do apt-get install zlib1g-dev09:56
Ghetekhow do i get this in my repos? http://www.libsdl.org/download-1.2.php09:56
kupait said go here wiki.w.org09:56
bob2Ghetek: you don't09:56
bob2Ghetek: ubuntu has libsdl 1.2 already09:56
zalimhow do i change my hardware setup (sound driver)09:56
zooplewow..u guys are smark09:56
zooplehow do you know all this09:56
Ghetekbob2: i cant install a program b/c it says i need it09:56
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bob2zalim: rebooting should be plenty09:56
Ghetekim on kubuntu09:56
topylizoople: because we can build packages? heh09:57
bob2Ghetek: then install it using synaptic09:57
bob2Ghetek: what are you trying to install?09:57
zooplewell..better than me09:57
Ghetekbob2: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/yabause/yabause-0.0.7.tar.gz?use_mirror=easynews09:57
kupaok  its saying ror:temporary failure in name resolution09:57
zoopleis there a good FAQ or guide i should read09:57
Ghetekits a sega saturn emulatoro09:57
topylizoople: build a few, you will know what i know. it's not very much :)09:57
zalimno, from the begining it does not give any sound. before this i'd install fedora core and the sound system perfect09:57
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kupaok  its saying ror:temporary failure in name resolution any help :(09:58
kupait said go here wiki.w.org09:58
bob2kupa: what's your native language?09:58
zoopleconfigure: error: zinf needs GDBM installed/// k guts..wheres that one09:58
bob2Ghetek: install libsdl1.2-dev, for a start09:59
bob2zoople: zinf is in ubuntu, dude09:59
IceDC571omg why are people running firefox and thunderbird under wine?09:59
Ghetekbob2: ok thanks you09:59
bob2kupa: try #ubuntu-es09:59
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kupayou guys cant help?10:00
bob2they might be able to help you better10:00
kupajust, asking10:00
kupalol its Spanish10:01
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kupadude i need work on my English10:01
topylizoople: anyway, if you want exercize, you might try building it though. now when it complains about gdbm, you do "apt-cache search gdbm | grep -dev" and maybe will see a promising package to install10:01
kupaok  its saying ror:temporary failure in name resolution any help :(10:01
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bob2you'd need to do "grep -- -dev"10:02
topylibob2: why --?10:02
bob2topyli: otherwise the argument parser will pick up -d -e and -v10:02
topylibob2: damn10:02
kupaok  its saying ror:temporary failure in name resolution any help :(10:03
bob2which is fair enough, and why -- was invented ;010:03
bob2kupa: doesn't look like it, unfortunately10:03
kupalook like what?10:03
bob2like anyone can hel pyou10:03
kupayou can?10:03
topylibob2: actually, i don't think i ever grepped for -dev but dev :)10:04
zooplegrep: unknown directories method10:04
bob2zoople: as above, grep -- -dev10:04
kupaok thanks for your time....10:04
topylizoople: my command was wrong10:04
zooplewhat do i write10:05
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topylizoople: apt-cache search gdbm |grep -- -dev10:05
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zooplenow what10:06
topylizoople: did you get any promising looking packages as output from the command?10:07
zooplelibgdbm-dev - GNU dbm database routines (development files)10:07
topyliso apt-get install that10:07
zooplewhat does that mean10:07
bob2zoople: you know there's no reason at all to compile zinf, right?10:08
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zoopleno idea what that means10:08
topylizoople: yeah, as i said this has turned into an exercise10:08
bob2zoople: sudo apt-get install zinf10:08
bob2zoople: then run the "zinf" command10:08
bob2zoople: all done!10:08
zoopleso how would i know to do that?10:09
topyligtg zoople, enjoy the compile (or zinf)10:09
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zooplek thanks10:09
bob2zoople: before trying to compile something, you'd run "apt-cache search zinf" and see if it's in ubuntu already10:09
bob2almost everything you could want is already10:09
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zoopleso now thats done10:10
zooplehow do i run10:10
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barbashi everybody10:14
Ghetekugh is there no shockwave for firefox?!10:15
barbasdoes anyone know how can we configure /dev/parport on hoary?10:15
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cyphaseGhetek, of course there is10:15
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barbasI need it to get parallel port support in vmware workstation10:15
Ghetekcyphase: not on the firefox plugin site10:15
Ghetekcyphase: it has shockwave for windows and mac and not linux10:16
Ghetekand shocwave.com couldnt get it10:16
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monchichibarbas: run modprobe parport10:17
ribsshockwave doesn't exist in Linux unless you use something like crossover10:17
cyphaseGhetek, ubuntu has it already10:17
cyphasein the repositories10:17
Ghetekcyphase i just checked the repos10:17
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barbasmonchichi: parport module was already loaded, as was parport_pc. I run your command but still nothing10:18
phyzshockwave already installed in ubuntu?10:18
cyphaseGhetek, are you sure? did you enable universe/mulitverse?10:18
cyphasewell, i don't know, because it's working for me10:19
Ghetekcyphase: http://www.miniclip.com/fleaworld/fleaworld.htm10:19
cyphasei'm playing a game on shockwave.com right now10:19
Ghetekis tha working?10:19
cyphaselemme see10:19
monchichibarbas: hmm10:19
phyzwow,it's great10:20
phyzcyphase,how long you've been used ubuntu?10:20
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cyphasephyz, hmm..10:20
barbasmonchichi: I used that as help http://www.vmware.com/support/ws5/doc/ws_devices_parallel_configure_linux.html10:20
cyphasewell, since 4.1010:20
cyphasebut i can't remember exaactly..10:20
barbasI don't have the ppdev module could that be the problem?10:20
cyphaseGhetek, no, it doesn't10:21
cyphasei don't know10:21
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cyphaseshockwave is certainly working, because shockwave.com is working..10:21
davidmccabeYay! Automated nightly backups!10:21
barbasAnd does anyone know how we can obtain the ppdev module?10:21
davidmccabersnapshot is awesomeness!10:21
Ghetekok well i will just use wine and IE10:21
cyphasephyz, why do you ask?10:21
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Ghetekkinda sucks not to be able to go full firefox10:21
SeveasGhetek, blame macromedia10:22
cyphaseGhetek, miniclip doesn't work in windows either10:22
Seveasthey have stupid almost non-existent linux support...10:22
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Ghetekcyphase: my girlfriend os on IE now in windows xp and playing10:22
zoopleok..still cant get zinf to work10:23
cyphaseGhetek, yea, IE10:23
barbasChetek: Find a new linux using girlfriend :P10:23
cyphasei meant firefox on window10:23
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monchichibarbas: what is ppdev?10:23
rototomhello together10:23
Ghetekbarbas: lol she is formating to kubuntu tomorrow10:23
barbasI don't know monchichi I just read at vmware instructions. I guess it's Parallel Port Device...??10:24
phyzjust asking because u looks like did so well with ubuntu10:24
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Ghetekok guys, im off to sleep10:24
Ghetektake care yall10:24
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barbasGhetek: Now that's a nice girlfriend! You are a lucky guy10:25
Ghetekim really lucky10:25
rototomI search for a gnome program to watch und record dvb TV10:25
rototomDo you know anything?10:25
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barbasGuess parallel port support ain't that great in linux afterall...10:26
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Jesse1rototom, http://www.tv-cards.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=342910:28
Jesse1rototom, have a look there it looks helpfull10:28
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rototomJesse1, thanks a lot10:28
rototomJesse1, unfortunatly, I dont find such a gnome programm there10:30
nikkiarototom, can't gxine do it ?10:31
rototomnikkia, unfortuntatly, no10:32
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rototomwith gxine I can watch dvb; but I cant make time records10:32
monchichibarbas: try sudo  mknod /dev/parport0 c 99 010:32
monchichimaybe the problem is just with udev10:33
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srbakeranyone here use an ipod shuffle with ubuntu?10:33
srbakergtkpod is a little confusing, i'm trying to format/clean my ipod10:33
srbakerand load it up10:33
monchichibarbas: i guess the ppdev module is for low-level access to parport, but its not built in the stock ubuntu kernels10:34
monchichibarbas: my mistake, ppdev is there10:35
nikkiasrbaker: select 'all', then edit->'delete completely from ipod...'->selected tab   i think10:35
monchichibarbas: sudo modprobe ppdev does it10:35
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srbakernikkia, it keeps mounting and unmounting itself for some reason10:36
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geesusHey all. My wifi card dosnt seem to be supported by the version of madwifi included with linux-restricted-modules for 2.6.10, anybody got some options for me to persue (other then rolling my own kernel? :)10:38
phyzhow many ubuntu user from britain?10:38
nikkiaphyz, i'm a kubuntu user, does that count ? :)10:39
geesusno! rofl10:39
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rototomok, it seems, there is really no application for gnome10:41
rototomthanks and bye10:41
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phyznikkia nice to know you10:42
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srbakerSCSI error : <3 0 0 0> return code = 0x1000010:43
srbakerend_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 221310:43
srbakeri keep getting that re: my ipod10:43
srbakerwhat the fuck?10:43
srbakerdoes that mean my ipod is fucked?10:43
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nikkiaphyz, if i am slow to respond to anything, its because i'm busy panicking about work10:43
Amaranthsrbaker: It's possible10:43
monchichisrbaker: ouch.. looks like it might be a corrupted sector10:44
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geesusOoOoOo found a good link to help myself with my problem10:44
srbakermonchichi, how do i fix?10:45
monchichisrbaker... send it to apple is its still under warranty...10:45
monchichisrbaker: but it might not be fucked at all10:46
srbakerwell, that's the problem10:46
srbakeri don't know10:46
erbive installed enlightenment with synaptic, but i cant see it in the boot-menu, how can i fix it?10:46
srbakerand i can't very well tell apple "hey, when i plug this into my linux box..."10:46
srbakerbut, it does crash on two songs i DL'd from ITMS10:46
monchichisrbaker: try it in a mac or windoze10:46
srbakeri don't have either10:46
Jesse1srbaker, you dont?10:47
jean-jacquesi've just uncomented the sources.list but i still can't find php inside synptic (even after an update inside synaptic) any suggestions ?10:47
srbakerJesse1, no.  why is that surprising?10:47
monchichisrbaker: good for you10:47
srbakerJesse1, i haven't had a non-GNU/Linux box for almost ten years10:47
monchichiuse a friends computer though10:47
srbakersince just before i became a debian devel.10:47
Jesse1srbaker, oh10:48
monchichierb: does it have a file in /usr/share/sessions?10:48
holycowsrbaker, heh, i havent used gnu that long, but i've been exclusively on linux for almost 2 now10:49
jean-jacquesiis there someone who would like to help me, i'd like to displax all items inside synaptic10:49
Amaranthall of them?10:49
srbakeryeah, my ipod is fucked10:49
erbtheres a dir in usr/share: /usr/share/enlightenment10:49
holycowkinda weird trying to get anything done on win10:49
Jesse1jean-jacques, try adding the extra repositories from ubuntuguide10:49
jean-jacquesok thank you jesse1 i'm gonna try10:49
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monchichihmm.. shouldnt php be in the main repositories?10:51
erbin /usr/share/xsessions is only gnome.desktop10:51
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Jesse1monchichi, well if it is i dont see why its not there10:51
budluvahow do i get a security key for my ssh server?10:51
Jesse1hmm has any1 downloaded everything from the repositores?10:52
monchichiJesse1, i dont either, unless theres something wrong with his sources.lst or something10:52
Jesse1monchichi, ive seen a few people having that problem where theve copyed other peoples lists and still cant get it to work10:53
bob2budluva: "security key"?10:53
bob2Jesse1: you mean made a mirror? sure, lots of people do that.10:53
jean-jacquesin fact i had already done the apt-get update and uncomentes the sources.list, an my hoary install is clean at the moment (no copy paste of someone else list)10:53
bob2Jesse1: you can't install everything from the repositories, though10:53
erbtheres a correct list on ubuntuguide.org, its works10:54
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Jesse1bob2, why not?10:54
holycowJesse1, some things are incompatible10:54
bob2Jesse1: how many web servers do you want running at once, for instance?10:54
Jesse1about 4010:54
holycowbob2, well, now thats a good question :)10:54
holycowindeedy, how many servers can one runon a box?10:55
davidmccabeCouldn't you cehck if a piece of merchandise had a security tag just by casually chucking it through the doorway while no one was looking?10:55
davidmccabeand following if no alarms go off.10:55
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budluvabob2, yeah, host key10:55
monchichierb: copy the gnome.desktop to enlightenment.desktop and edit it accordingly, then it will come up in the gdm menu10:55
bob2holycow: as many as you want, more or less10:55
bob2it's not even limited by ram, really10:55
davidmccabenever mind. good night.10:55
Jesse1davidmccabe, if there are the security doors then nearly all the items would have tags besides the ones that have been removed10:56
bob2budluva: /etc/ssh/10:56
erbahha, ok10:56
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davidmccabeJesse1: yes but what if there are *stealth* security doors?10:59
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nikkiadavid, it would still be pointless to invest in security doors if you're not going to tag everything10:59
davidmccabeBut if you don't even know whether there are security doors or not, you'd better check first.11:00
davidmccabehence chucking.11:00
davidmccabenot that I shoplift; it just occured to me.11:00
nikkiadavid, it'd be easier to build something that detects the magnetic field, and check it when you walk in11:00
nikkiathrowing something thru the doors is likely to get you in trouble either way11:00
monchichii think some stores probably put in fake security doors, just to scare potential shoplifters11:00
davidmccabewouldn't suprise me.11:00
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davidmccabenikkia: but it'd make a great /Candid Camera/.11:01
hyphenateddavidmccabe: I doubt they'd be as effective as ones where alarms go off11:01
mercjust carry a high powered magnet.11:01
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nikkiadavid, even if they don't get you with shoplifting (if you havent' left the store with the item) they can     proobbaly get you with vandelism or destruction of private property11:01
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davidmccabenext question: couldn't you chuck it *over the top* of the things?11:02
davidmccabeor what if you dug a tunnel?=11:02
napsyare breezy pachages for x.org fixed yet?11:02
nikkiaits a store, not colditz11:02
davidmccabegood night again.11:02
Jesse1davidmccabe, ive always wonder if that would work suppose if you chuck it over youd miss the sensors11:02
Jesse1so it should work11:02
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davidmccabeunless they put the sensors right next to the doors, but often they don't.11:03
Jesse1but it would be obvouis11:03
nikkiajesse, they probably have light a donut shape, and the upper extent of the field is higher than you think11:03
monchichinapsy: they work fine for me11:03
davidmccabenikkia: spoil-sport.11:03
monchichinapsy: i had some problems at first, but they were easily fixed11:03
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nikkiathe easiest way is just to make a bag that acts as a faraday cage :P11:03
davidmccabeJesse1: you do it right after your friend switches on a boombox and takes of his clothes or something.11:03
napsyi remember the last time when i tried to upgrade to breezy ... had problems with X11:03
nikkiaunfortunately, your bag is probably going to set off the sensors too :P11:04
davidmccabegnight. classes start tommorow.11:04
monchichinapsy, yeah there were some minor issues, but all it took was a few symlinks to fix11:04
mercnikkia: i saw a cops episode where some people just lined the bag with tinfoil and loaded it up and walked out11:04
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nikkiamerc, yeah, that'd be a faraday cage11:04
nikkiathe bottom line is, most stores don't check anyway11:04
mercnikkia: hence the mention ;)11:04
davidmccabemerc: cops is designed to make catching the stupid ones easier by giving them bogus ideas.11:04
nikkiai often set off the sensors at our local supermarket when i buy a DVD...11:05
nikkiathey usually just look at me and wave me thru regardless11:05
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davidmccabeand scan your iris...11:05
nikkiathe key is probably a 'oh god, what have i done?' expression11:05
napsymonchichi: " sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs-data_6.8.2-32_all.deb && sudo apt-get install -f" .. i found this on ubuntuforums ... does this fix the issue11:05
mercmy sister bought some clothes, and it had that tag on it still, i asked if the alarm went off she said 'yeah, but i just kept walking'11:05
davidmccabeyeah, probably.11:05
davidmccabethe ticket is to walk through at exactly the same time as sobody else, and pretend it was them.11:06
Jesse1the funnies thing ive ever done was got one of those security stickers from the box of lan cable i bought in another shop as i walked through it set of the alarm so i chucked the sticker on the ground upside down and it stuck to the persons shoe and set of the alarm it was funny i didnt stick around tho for them to find the sticker11:06
nikkiarazor blades routinely set off those sensors too11:06
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mercquestion is, who carries razor blades while shopping?11:06
mercgood call11:06
nikkiamerc, people that buy the razor blades in the shop ?11:06
maeis there a place that has bluecurve .debs for ubuntu11:06
davidmccabemae: it's in universe I think.11:07
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Jesse1davidmccabe, its only 911:07
budluvacan someone tell me why i can only transfer files over my lan via scp at 1500k/sec? with ftp i can get the full 10,000k/sec out of my network11:07
maedavidmccabe, ahh11:07
davidmccabeJesse1: in what time zone?11:07
davidmccabeJesse1: it's 2am here.11:08
budluvais that the way scp was designed or is something wrong with my setup?11:08
davidmccabebudluva: bits vs. bytes?11:08
Jesse1davidmccabe, i see its like +8 or + 10 here in australia11:08
bob2budluva: scp is shit, yes11:08
mercbudluva: that seems funny, i would account for some overhead because of the encryption, but not that much, i dont think.11:08
bob2budluva: but you might be CPU-bound11:08
davidmccabeJesse1: here's it's -8.11:08
bob2budluva: try rsync instead11:08
davidmccabeJesse1: good to meet you. bye.11:08
bob2(which will also be cpu-bound if done over ssh)11:08
Jesse1davidmccabe, cya11:08
davidmccabebudluva: or perhaps if you have a 386 doing the encryption.11:08
budluvabob2, both machines are 2.0ghz cpu's11:09
davidmccabeJesse1: not used to having anybody *earlier* than me.11:09
davidmccabeJesse1: unless they're in Europe, and then it's some time in the morning.11:09
budluvaboth amd xp +240011:09
Jesse1but im aday ahead11:09
Jesse1i think its monday here now11:10
davidmccabemy sister's prolly waking up some time about now.11:10
bob2budluva: well, see if rsync is faster11:10
merc5am monday here11:10
davidmccabeshe's in Africa.11:10
davidmccabeanyways, gnight.11:10
Jesse1lol just exit or u wont ever leave11:10
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Jesse1davidmccabe, youve said goodnight about 6 times already11:11
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Jesse1any1 here play cs:s11:11
monchichiwhats cs:s?11:11
Jesse1youd know if you played it11:12
Jesse1it's counter-strike source11:12
monchichiwell i know i dont play it, i just wanted to know11:12
monchichii see.11:12
Jesse1have you heard of cs?11:13
monchichiheard of, yes.. i dont play games that much though11:13
monchichidoes it work with cedega?11:14
monchichior is there a native port?11:14
Jesse1no native port11:14
budluvahow can i pass a command on boot up? i have an old monitor so i need to manually adjust gamma by doing this xgamma -d :0 -gamma 3.0 everytime i boot my machine, is there somewhere i can place this line to exec at bootup?11:14
Jesse1people have said that it works with cedega11:14
monchichibudluva: try /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh11:15
Jesse1budluva, how do u manage doing that if you cant see?11:16
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budluvaJesse1, its dark, but barely readable :P i need a new monitor bbbbaaaaaadddddd :P11:16
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heienHi everyone... How do i make a symlink?11:17
Jesse1budluva, monitors have be come farley cheap now for a crt11:17
hhurttaln -s11:17
fdrheien,   ln -s11:17
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nikkiagah, the monday morning 'wtf are you up to?' call from my boss :/11:17
heienfdr, thx. .:)11:17
linkhow are you11:17
fdrheien, actually,  ln -s  targetfile  linkname11:17
monchichiheien: ln -s target link11:17
budluvaJesse1, yes i plan on gettings a good lcd, but want to get a good video card at the same time11:18
heieni could figure that out ;P11:18
fdrheien, you're more than welcome11:18
budluvamonchichi, where do you suggest i put that xgamma line in my bootmisc.sh? at the very end?11:18
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monchichibudluva: at the end, unless you want to see the boot messages, then it should be in a different file altogether11:19
fdrWhere do I find a list of the backport server mirrors? There was a post in ubuntuforums, but I cannot finr it anymore... :-(11:19
heienshitty webcams.. : @ :/11:19
Seveasfdr: To find out the location of backports, go to backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php11:20
fdrSeveas, found it, thanks11:20
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Jesse1budluva, well you will want to get a good lcd with a low responce time around 12ms or lower and for the graphics card deparatment i would recomend getting a geforce 7800GTX11:21
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nikkiajesse, why would you recommend a 7800 ? every review has stated that the improvements over the 6800 are minimal in the current incarnation, and the price difference isn't minimal11:24
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holycowthere has been quite a few linux kernel upgrades over the course of hoary11:26
holycowi wonder how serious the patches are11:26
monchichiis anyone here running 2.6.12?11:26
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fabbionemonchichi: yes11:27
monchichiare you using the ubuntu kernel or did you compile it?11:27
fabbionemonchichi: the ubuntu kernel11:27
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budluvais a kernel upgrade easy like debian?11:28
kvidellugh.. anyone know the name of that company that puts a big crate at your house that you fill with your belongings then give them a shipping address and they come by a few days later and pick it up and ship it to your new house, cross country?11:28
fabbionebudluva: yes11:28
budluvaie apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.1211:28
fabbioneapt-get install linux-image-2.6.1211:28
holycowkvidell, yes, 1800-got-junk11:28
kvidellfunny :-P11:29
fdrAnybody here has installed the realplayer? Is it really as easy as typing `apt-get install realplayer` or does it involve anything more complex?11:30
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monchichifdr: check ubuntuguide.org... i cant install it cause of amd6411:30
holycowfdr apt-get remove --purge totem-gstreamer && apt-get install totem-xine then add the w32codecs repositories and apt-getinstall w32codecs11:30
oggeim quite dissapointed, yesterday I installed ubuntu minimal on my celeron 700mhz coppermine (mobile) 128mbyte ram, 4mbyte videomemory laptop. later I added xorg, xfce4, firefox, wdm and some other applications. I think the system runs slow, sluggish. My win2k installation on same computer runs faster. Is there anything I can do about this?11:31
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monchichiubuntu should run fine on a celeron 70011:31
oggeyes it does run fine, but its not as fast as win2k, is there any configuration I can do about this?11:32
oggethought it should run smoother :)11:32
Seveasogge, use XFCE instead of gnome/kde11:32
oggeI do11:32
fdrmonchichi, holycow : thanks! that really sounded *too* easy to me :)11:32
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holycowogge, if you have problems with xfce theres something whack going on11:35
monchichiogge:  check gnome-system-monitor to see if anything is hogging resources11:35
holycowxfce is as snappy as win2k11:35
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holycowgnome and kde are a bit more resource hogs so they feel maybe less snapy, but still should be very very acceptable11:35
tswogge: check that you have dma enabled on your harddrive11:36
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holycowtsw, good call11:36
oggemonchichi, how do I check the gnome-system-monitor? I run xfce.11:36
oggedma enabled. yes, where do I check that?11:36
maliksHello....I want to install Glimmr on Ubuntu using binaries...But I cant locate them...does anyone know of a good repository hosting mono and its goodies like beagle,glimmr, etc?11:37
holycowhdparm /dev/deviceofdrive11:37
tswogge: sudo hdparm /dev/ha11:37
tswhda even11:37
tswdamn this communicator keyboard...11:37
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oggesudo hdaparm /dev/ha - like that?11:38
holycowdo sudo fdisk -l to find the device names of y our partitions11:38
holycowthen use the right /dev/device11:38
vdmWhere can i set what versions of aclocal, autoconf & automake i want my system to use?11:39
monchichiogge- just run "gnome-system-monitor" in a terminal or something11:39
IceDC571blah.. im trying to remove openoffice.org and its asking me to remove ubuntu-desktop11:40
oggewhen doing the sudo fdisk -l11:40
oggeI can se 4 device boot11:40
oggethe first one is ntfs. where ntfs is instaled.11:40
Seveasvdm, sudo update-alternatives --config automake11:40
oggewhere win2k is installed.. :)11:41
vdmSeveas, Cheers11:41
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oggethen I got "extended", "Linux", and "Linux swap / Solaris"11:41
maliksHello....I want to install Glimmr on Ubuntu using binaries...But I cant locate them...does anyone know of a good repository hosting mono and its goodies like beagle,glimmr, etc?11:42
holycowogge, well you are turning on dma for a device not a partition, that should give you an idea of what is there. so you should have an hda hdb or hdc labeled hd that you can turn on dma11:42
Seveasmaliks, Mono is in Hoary universe, but for mono applications, waiting for Breezy to stabilize is a better option...11:42
holycowogge, then google turning dma on for linux, the command is something like hdparm dma1 /dev/hdd or something like that11:43
oggeok. thanx.11:43
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holycowyou can also man hdparm to verify11:43
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IceDC571im guessing it isnt possible to remove openoffice?11:51
holycowsudo apt-get remove --purge openoffice.org11:52
holycowthis isn't microsoft11:52
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IceDC571wont i have broken packages later?11:52
holycowapt / dpkg resolve everything for you11:53
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kvidelluse aptitude instead of apt-get if you're afraid of that11:53
holycowagain, this isn't microsoft11:53
IceDC571thats what it stated when i used apitude11:53
holycowno its fine11:53
kvidellyou'll be fine.11:53
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fdrPlease, anybody know if there is a simple way of converting real audio files into mp3?11:54
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fdr(or into wav, then I'll make the conversion :P )11:54
IceDC571it says its going to remove ubuntu-desktop as i said before11:54
IceDC571i'll try aptitude11:54
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sparklinghi all11:55
monchichiubuntu-desktop is a dummy package11:55
oggeHello again. I did the hdparm /dev/hdc, and everything is = 0. Except readahead which is 256 (on)11:55
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monchichiit wont hurt to remove it11:55
IceDC571monchichi, are you serious?11:55
sparklingis there someone experienced in installing ubuntu on an external usb2 hard drive?11:55
holycowyes he is11:55
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IceDC571damn.. why didnt i know that, i should read the packages descriptions more often11:56
monchichiit just depends on all the packages in a full "ubuntu desktop"11:56
holycowit's fine, takes a while to get to know the system11:56
erbive enlightenment :)11:56
monchichierb, yeah but its old enlightenment :P11:56
holycowthe new one looks like fun11:57
monchichiits e16, e17 is the new one11:57
oggeShould I do the sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc to enable dma for my linux installation drive.11:57
monchichiits still in development11:57