[12:00] <flankk> the startup time with fluxbox from the repos is -very- slow.. even slower than gnome startup..
[12:00] <Tatster> Not yet, but I can have
[12:00] <paulproteus> You'll need it.  The easiest way to get it is with wget, in my opinion.
[12:01] <paulproteus> Just do "wget <that URL>" on the command line, and the patch will be downloaded to the current directory.
[12:01] <Eni_> I have Nokia 447Iplus monitor, google says it has 30.0-72.0 horizontal sync and 50.0-150.0 vertical refresh. I have added those manually and x wont start. I have tried different values. What can i do?
[12:01] <paulproteus> Once you've done that, do "patch -p1 < /absolute/path/to/gallery.mambo.sef.patch" in the gallery directory.
[12:02] <wolverian> Eni_: did X start without adding those?
[12:02] <paulproteus> Eni_: Try commenting out the lines about the horizsync and vertsync.
[12:02] <Eni_> wolverian No.
[12:03] <wolverian> Eni_: did the lines exist, with other values, before? try commenting them out entirely if so.
[12:03] <Eni_> Hmm, i was wrong, x started, but the picture was blurry and "shaking"
[12:04] <Miks> how can i lock my DNS values in the "/etc/resolv.conf", they get erased everytime i restat my comp
[12:04] <paulproteus> Eni_: When that happened to me on my other monitor, the monitor was dying.  It had just started making loud noises when I turned it on.
[12:04] <Seveaz> miks, edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[12:04] <paulproteus> Tatster: So far, you've been very good about providing concise, precise answers to my questions so I can help you.  Good job. :)
[12:04] <Miks> but im not using dhcp3
[12:05] <Eni_> paulproteus hmm, monitor is few years old.
[12:05] <resiak> Miks: I think it's pump or something like that.
[12:05] <Miks> ye ai have pump
[12:05] <cion> hey newbie on ubuntu here
[12:05] <paulproteus> Miks: Does your computer automatically configure its IP address?  By default, it uses dhcp3 not pump.
[12:05] <Seveaz> Miks, well, if you don't use dhcp but static ip-addresses on *every* card, then it should not be rewritten...
[12:05] <cion> how do i uninstall rssowl?
[12:05] <Tatster> Thanks, paulproteus
[12:05] <Eni_> well, i gotta go to other room and check it out
[12:05] <cyrain> Seveaz, it's ok
[12:05] <paulproteus> cion: Have you tried using Synaptic?
[12:05] <cyrain> I've got to manually enter all commands in the suoders file
[12:06] <paulproteus> cion: Basically, how did you install it?  Just do the opposite. ;)
[12:06] <Miks> no..it doesnt gets the ip automatically
[12:06] <Seveas> cyrain, or just use ALL
[12:06] <cyrain> that would make me a kind of root :(
[12:06] <paulproteus> Miks: Oh, interesting.  In /etc/network/interfaces, is there any mention of DHCP?
[12:06] <cion> mmm i just followed a guide
[12:06] <Tatster> paulproteus - your advice was spot on, thanks.
[12:06] <cion> what do u mean by doing the opposite?
[12:06] <resiak> Miks: If you remove pump, resolv.conf won't be wiped.
[12:07] <Miks> well..i removed the dhcp because i was having a super slow DNS lookup issue
[12:07] <paulproteus> Tatster: Okay, so you've successfully done it?  Great. :)
[12:07] <Seveas> Miks, in firefox only..?
[12:07] <paulproteus> Tatster: I'd suggest moving the patch out of the gallery directory, if it's still in there; feel free to delete if you don't think you'll need to re-apply it later.
[12:07] <Miks> no...in any attempt of contact with the net
[12:07] <Miks> internet
[12:07] <paulproteus> (Or if you think you can just redownload it in the future if you will.)
[12:08] <paulproteus> Miks: I know what you mean.  This is usually caused by buggy DNS servers that respond badly to Ubuntu's default IPv6 configuration.
[12:08] <radim1> hi, can anyone help me? i've just installed ubuntu and need video codecs to play avi. where i can find them? thx
[12:08] <Miks> yea...it used to work all fine and suddenly this started to happen
[12:08] <Seveas> radim1: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[12:09] <cyrain> Seveas, thank you !
[12:09] <radim1> thx
[12:09] <cyrain> got to go to bed :)
[12:09] <cion> how do I uninstall on ubuntu?
[12:09] <caonex> My ubuntu is freezing after a while, I think it has to do with a hardware/bios problem, but I cannot retrieve enough info to help me determine what exactly is happening with syslog, messages, nor dmesg, any other suggestions for log files i can look at? Oh, and the log file for x.org just says that there was seg fault and to contact the xorg team.
[12:09] <cyrain> good evening everyone
[12:09] <Miks> anyway...now it works excellent...the only issue is that i have to setup the net everytime i restart my comp because the resolv.conf values get erased
[12:09] <Miks> i want to lock em
[12:09] <paulproteus> caonex: Laptop or desktop?
[12:09] <Seveas> cion, with the package manager...
[12:09] <resiak> Miks: I JUST TOLD YOU
[12:09] <paulproteus> caonex: Have you tried running the memtest86 memory tester?
[12:09] <resiak> 23:06           resiak : Miks: If you remove pump, resolv.conf won't be wiped.
[12:09] <Miks> okay, thanks.. sorry :P
[12:09] <caonex> paulproteus, desktop
[12:10] <Miks> i can remove it from synaptic right? just look for the package and reomve
[12:10] <Seveas> caonex, hmm, segfault in X... Have you run memtest yet?
[12:10] <caonex> paulproteus, yeah i did, it kept going and i did not know what it ws doing.
[12:10] <paulproteus> Ah, okay. :)
[12:10] <paulproteus> caonex: It runs through a long list of tests.
[12:10] <caonex> Seveas, yeah i have run it, it looks like it was doing ok, though, paulproteus
[12:10] <paulproteus> caonex: It has a place where it says how many times it's run the whole test suite.
[12:11] <paulproteus> And it has a place where it lists errors.  Did you manage to let it go for one full run of the test suite?  Did it say there were any errors?
[12:11] <caonex> paulproteus, so how would that help me?
[12:11] <Seveas> caonex, anda  place where it will tell you whether it has found an error :)
[12:11] <gorthaug> hi
[12:11] <caonex> Seveas, that is just not for memory errors, then?
[12:11] <Seveas> caonex, well, X segfaults are so rare, that they are usually caused by bad memory
[12:11] <paulproteus> caonex: Well, two things.  If you have RAM errors, you can either (1) return the RAM, or (2) patch your Linux kernel to never touch those areas of memory.  This patch is called "the BadMEM patch".
[12:11] <Miks> lets see if it works
[12:11] <Seveas> and memtest will tell you whether your memory is bad
[12:12] <caonex> Seveas, let me go right to it then...
[12:12] <honor> Hello all
[12:12] <paulproteus> I'm outta here, all.  Buh-bye. :)
[12:12] <Seveas> 'navond honor
[12:12] <gorthaug> i've a problem with gnome and the starters it's now are starter's_name.desktop and don't run the app
[12:12] <caonex> Seveas, paulproteus, so it will run n tests and tell me if there is an error?
[12:12] <Seveas> caonex, yes
[12:13] <caonex> Seveas, cool, be back later and I appreciate your help
[12:13] <Seveas> caonex, but you will want to interrupt after an hour or so, the complete test suite will take VERY long
[12:13] <Seveas> and errors usually are found on the first runs
[12:13] <caonex> Seveas, so it will tell me, up to the time if it has seen any errors
[12:13] <Seveas> yes
[12:13] <caonex> Seveas, so how long should i wait?
[12:13] <caonex> Seveas, never mind you just said an hour
[12:13] <caonex> Seveas, ;)
[12:14] <nemik> how would i disable the power management in server installation? the monitor always shuts off
[12:14] <Seveas> :)
[12:14] <caonex> Seveas, my bad for not reading, hehe well i will see you later then
[12:14] <Seveas> cya!
[12:14] <caonex> bye
[12:14] <cion> thanks to all
[12:14] <cion> sorry
[12:15] <gorthaug> anybody can help me??
[12:15] <Seveas> gorthaug, maybe, if you can be a bit more descriptive...
[12:15] <honor> I've got a little question for you gurus I'm a newbie with linux and now I want to change my windows partition to ext2 and mount it does anyone has a good url for me?
[12:16] <gorthaug> the starters are now starter.desktop and don't run the app....
[12:16] <Miks> i removed PUMP but still my /etc/resolv.conf file got blanked after the restar
[12:16] <Seveas> honor, you know that if you change it to ext2, you will lose all data?
[12:16] <Seveas> gorthaug, sorry, but I don't understand at all what you mean...
[12:16] <honor> Yes I know I backuped al data on another machine
[12:16] <kdp> wait...does windows run on ext2?
[12:17] <parabolize> no
[12:17] <Seveas> honor, and you know that windows cannot use ext2?
[12:17] <kdp> i thought it only runs on ntfs/fat
[12:17] <gorthaug> yes my english is very poor...
[12:17] <kdp> aha.
[12:17] <Seveas> gorthaug, what is your native language?
[12:17] <honor> I know I want to drop widnows 4ever :)
[12:17] <Seveas> ok honor :)
[12:17] <aigarius> honor: then you can use cfdisk to change the partition type to Linux (82) and then use mkfs.ext2
[12:17] <Dj_AlTeK> hey seveas
[12:17] <Seveas> honor, then simply do mkfs.ext2 /dev/YOUR_DISK
[12:18] <ogge> now ive defragged the disk :)
[12:18] <Seveas> ah, good one aigarius :)
[12:18] <aigarius> honor: I would recommend to use ext3 or reiserfs
[12:18] <ogge> do you recommend to defrag a few more times, before resize the ntfs partition,
[12:18] <ogge> ?
[12:18] <Seveas> ogge, no, not needed
[12:19] <phaedrus44> ne1 here ever try mepis?...
[12:19] <honor> Is it possible to resise my existing ext partition without losing data?
[12:19] <honor> brb
[12:20] <ogge> Seveas, ok.
[12:20] <aigarius> honor: yes, but it is not 100% safe
[12:20] <gorthaug> jejeje google says that i want to say that: the starters have happened to be called starter.desktop and they do not initiate the applications
[12:20] <jsimmons> how do i change the font in the windows (titlebar and menu)?
[12:20] <Heimdall> re
[12:21] <Seveas> jsimmons, system->preferences->font perhaps
[12:21] <LinuxJones> jsimmons,  System >> Preferences >> Font
[12:21] <jsimmons> (slaps head
[12:21] <aigarius> will the Ubuntu people, that are responsible for the Google's Summer of Code, be at the Debconf?
[12:21] <Seveas> gorthaug, that does not make it any more readable?
[12:22] <Seveas> gorthaug, Espaol..?
[12:22] <gorthaug> yes
[12:22] <Seveas> gorthaug, va en #ubuntu-es por espaol :)
[12:22] <ironmc> printer problem - I have a hp psc2110 (which I have used with Mandrake and SuSe) - foomatic installed, cups installed, hp ppd files installed - no printing - any ideas??
[12:23] <gorthaug> nobody have answers for my question in ubuntu-es
[12:23] <jsimmons> do i have to restart x to see the changes?
[12:23] <Seveas> gorthaug, maybe there is someone there who can translate it a bit better
[12:23] <diego> i speak spanish
[12:23] <LinuxJones> ironmc, you set it up using gnome-cups-manager ?
[12:23] <diego> what do you guys need?
[12:23] <nikkia> diego, you do? i have a question for you too :P
[12:24] <diego> heh, oook
[12:24] <Seveas> diego, can you help gorthaug, his english is very poor, I did not understand the problem
[12:24] <ironmc> used system>admin>printing
[12:24] <nikkia> diego, does it make sense in spanish to shorten the word 'Transversal' to 'Trans.' ?
[12:25] <diego> nikkia: heh, can't help you there. i never learned to read or write
[12:25] <ttyS0> what is aclocal
[12:25] <nikkia> diego, i'm working on a spanish product, and don't have enough display space for Transversal, but thats what the translators gave me :/
[12:25] <nikkia> diego, ummm how are you managing to use irc then ?
[12:25] <pfp> Seveas: i think he means that some launcher (icon)s appear as iconname.desktop, and fail to launch anything
[12:25] <pfp> ;)
[12:26] <Seveas> pfp, yeah, but what he means with that?!?
[12:26] <diego> nikkia: i know how to read and write in english asshat...i don't know spelling/grammar in spanish though
[12:27] <nikkia> diego, heh, ok
[12:27] <diego> he's saying that all his launchers are now named Azureus.desktop, etc, and when he clicks on them they ask him if he wants to execute or display them
[12:28] <diego> sounds to me like they got chmod'd +x?
[12:28] <Seveas> indeed
[12:28] <diego> if he executes them, they do nothing
[12:28] <Seveas> but clicking on .desktop files..?
[12:28] <ironmc> LinuxJones  I used system>admin>printing
[12:28] <Seveas> they should be in /usr/share/somewhare and make up the menu
[12:28] <honor> which one is ext3 in cfdisk?
[12:28] <Seveas> clicking on .desktop files will not work as far as i know...
[12:29] <pfp> honor: 83 (same as ext2)
[12:29] <honor> thx
[12:29] <jo> amsn: Depends: sox but it is not installable
[12:29] <jo>  ?
[12:30] <Seveas> oh, how nice
[12:30] <diego> he says all his icons (that start programs?) have disappeared
[12:30] <Seveas> that does work :)
[12:30] <nikkia> technically, linux doesn't really care, i managed to go nearly 4 years before i noticed i had my / on a partition marked as FAT12
[12:30] <Seveas> diego, hmm, I think he messed around with a few things
[12:30] <LinuxJones> ironmc, can you print a testpage ?
[12:30] <Seveas> like deleting stuff from /usr/share/applications
[12:31] <diego> Seveas: where exactly are the .desktop icons?
[12:31] <Seveas> or chmod -R on something...
[12:31] <diego> he says his menu works though
[12:31] <diego> s/icons/files/
[12:31] <ender_> asd
[12:31] <Seveas> diego, look at /usr/share/applications :)
[12:31] <john_> i modprobed vesafb to try and get fbxine to work, rebooted, and i'm stuck at 640x480 despite no change in xorg.conf.  after modprobe -r vesafb and restart x, i'm still stuck at 640.  any ideas?
[12:31] <Seveas> .desktop files are menu entries and program launchers
[12:31] <jo> hm Package glib-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[12:31] <ender_> anyone know how to apt-get gtk+ ?
[12:31] <Seveas> they should *not* be executable
[12:31] <Seveas> jo, install libglib-2.0-dev oslt
[12:32] <diego> oh ok, just his desktop's icons are f**ked
[12:32] <Seveas> ender_, gtk+ is on your system...
[12:32] <Seveas> diego, ah :)
[12:32] <diego> his menu and the icons on the toolbars work
[12:32] <Seveas> If it's only on the desktop, let him paste the output of ls -al ~/Desktop on paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:33] <jo>  Couldn't find package libglib-2.0-dev
[12:33] <Seveas> jo, then use apt-cache search glib | grep dev
[12:33] <brentdax> Is there a way to change the audio channel the "volume up" and "volume down" keyboard shortcuts control?  I have a 5.1 setup, and "Master" only controls the front speakers.
[12:33] <Seveas> brentdax, afaik not unfortunately :(
[12:34] <ender_> Seveas:  what about "gdk-pixbuf" and "wget" ?
[12:34] <brentdax> Damn.  Thanks anyway.
[12:34] <honor> ok I have my partition now but it says it's a swap and there is no option to give it a label?
[12:34] <Seveas> ender_, use apt-cache search and apt-get install....
[12:34] <muttDC> hello, have a question about giFT, trying to install the plugin of ares... and how can i know where is the file "libgift.pc"?
[12:34] <Seveas> honor, then you gave it the bad partition type
[12:34] <selinium> Hi all, for some reason my cd drives are not working, were fine. I cannot see any drive in /dev .... Help! :)
[12:35] <honor> i gave it 82
[12:35] <Seveas> honor, it should be 83
[12:35] <ender_> should I sudo while running apt-get?
[12:35] <Seveas> ender_, yes
[12:35] <selinium> ender_ yep
[12:35] <ironmc> LinuxJones  no and I can't get Xsane to recognize the scanner although I have used it before
[12:35] <john_> anyone?
[12:35] <ender_> thx
[12:35] <selinium> john_ ? just got here
[12:35] <Seveas> restart after messing around with vesafb...
[12:35] <john_> i modprobed vesafb to try and get fbxine to work, rebooted, and i'm stuck at 640x480 despite no change in xorg.conf.  after modprobe -r vesafb and restart x, i'm still stuck at 640.  any ideas?
[12:36] <diego> Seveas: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/250
[12:36] <selinium> sorry john_ above my head! :)
[12:37] <diego> should i tell him to `chmod -x *.desktop` ?
[12:37] <honor> ok Seveas but still no /
[12:37] <Seveas> diego, yes, definitely
[12:37] <john_> x gets screen res from xorg.conf, right?
[12:37] <Seveas> john_, yes, but messing around with vesafb might require a restart iirc
[12:38] <lsuactiafner> john_ : yeh
[12:38] <john_> ok.  how do i keep vesafb from loading at next boot?
[12:38] <Miks> :(  how can i lock my /etc/resolv.conf values so they wont be blanked everytime i restart the comp?
[12:38] <nemik> how would i disable from terminal the screensaver so the monitor does not turn off?
[12:38] <honor> got it I think :)
[12:38] <lsuactiafner> Miks : it shouldnt blank. but chmod a-w /etc/resolv.conf
[12:39] <Seveas> john_, you might want to add it to the hotplug blacklist, but vesafb should not cause problems (From what you wrote i though that removing it caused the problem)
[12:39] <john_> nope.  i went nuts and added three different *fb modules.  on reboot lsmod showed them all....
[12:39] <achy> Hi, I download a cursor theme, how the heck do i install it?
[12:40] <john_> do you know which file stores loaded modules?
[12:40] <john_> i didn't have a framebuffer previously.
[12:40] <honor> got it I think :)
[12:40] <Miks> and...how could i see some log of the boot in my system? because when it starts i see one "FAILED" but i cant get to read what it is, it loads so fast
[12:40] <jonas747777> any suggestions on howe to make ubuntu make cleaner or more minimalistic? themes, window managers?
[12:40] <nikkia> lsuactiafner: my guess would be that his resolv.conf is getting set to nothing by a bad dhcp return
[12:40] <jonas747777> how
[12:41] <ender_> I'm assuming that I already have gdk-pixbuf, I found this: " This article describes the architecture of GdkPixbuf, the image loading library that will be used in the next major version of GNOME. Older versions of GNOME, as of October 1999, used the Imlib library, which has numerous design limitations. This article also describes the differences between Imlib and GdkPixbuf so that application developers can take these considerations into account when updating
[12:41] <ender_> their applications."
[12:41] <AndrWs> hi guyes , anyone who know of a program which can open a rar. file?
[12:41] <john_> yep.  before this it was at 1024x768
[12:41] <Seveas> achy, use gcursor :)
[12:41] <ep> Problems with fresh kubuntu-desktop install.  Kongueror sometimes list double folder and files and it often crashes (sig11).  I installed this after the kernel update it that has anything to do with it.  Suggestions?
[12:41] <Seveas> ender_, indeed, you have it already...
[12:41] <holycow> AndrWs, sudo apt-get install rar unrar
[12:41] <holycow> then open it up with archiver
[12:41] <ender_> then im ready to install =)
[12:41] <achy> Sorry new to linux, how to use gcursor?
[12:41] <Seveas> AndrWs, unrar-nonfree works better than unrar
[12:41] <diego> Seveas: after taking off the executable flag, he says nautilus now just displays the text contents of the .desktop file
[12:41] <holycow> what Seveas said
[12:42] <fishhead> is reading about building demolition and how 98% of the building materials are recycled now, so cool
[12:42] <Seveas> achy, aptitude installl gcursor
[12:42] <AndrWs> ok , thx
[12:42] <Seveas> diego, then he should fix his .desktop files, they are broken somehow
[12:43] <Seveas> diego, let him paste them on the pastebin
[12:43] <diego> ok
[12:43] <lsuactiafner> brentdax : while you are @ it write me a program that will search for strings that occur most often in a squid proxy log
[12:43] <muttDC> hello, somebody has installed the plugin of ares for giFT on ubuntu? :)
[12:43] <brentdax> Scratch your own itch.  :^P
[12:44] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, wasn't the sort | uniq thing good enough? ;)
[12:44] <diego> Seveas: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/251
[12:44] <john_> what file lists modules to be loaded?
[12:44] <Seveas> john_, hotplug :)
[12:44] <Epix> i have a USB keyboard. i have the windows drivers. it needs to have a usb to midi driver im guessing. how do i get it to work on linux
[12:44] <john_> so nano -w hotplug and comment out what i don't want?
[12:44] <nikkia> epix, if its a true MIDI USB device, it shouldn't need drivers
[12:45] <nikkia> epix, MIDI IO is a standard USB profile, no drivers should be needed, if it *does* need drivers, then you're probably out of luck
[12:45] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : yeh but i got hits for logo_blue.jpg and logo_green.jpg .. it should tell me logo occurs often.
[12:46] <lsuactiafner> i block images that i dont need, like company logos..
[12:46] <Seveas> diego, my guess is that there is something wrong with the programs they point to
[12:46] <Seveas> diego, let him check the paths...
[12:46] <diego> Seveas: k
[12:46] <gorthaug> the paths is ok
[12:46] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, ahhh, ok, that's gonna be more difficult
[12:46] <lsuactiafner> yeh
[12:46] <lsuactiafner> but your sed thing helped a bunch
[12:47] <Miks> changing the /etc/resolv.conf permissions to read only didnt work...it still gets rewritten everytime i restart the comp
[12:47] <Miks> why?
[12:47] <Seveas> if you want substring statistics of a filename, that will require some programming...
[12:47] <lsuactiafner> making a program based on that list will be much easier already
[12:47] <ep> Is there an alternative to the kubuntu-desktop install like just installing KDE?  The little bit of googling i've done leads me to believe this is not a KDE bug.
[12:47] <resiak> Miks: Did you get rid of pump?
[12:47] <Seveas> ep, kde-base, kde-* (there are a lot of KDE metapackages, see wiki.ubuntu.com/MetaPackages)
[12:47] <diego> Seveas: he says the same thing happens if he drags a .desktop of his menu
[12:47] <Miks> yea resiak
[12:47] <Miks> removed completely
[12:47] <resiak> Miks: Oh, I give up then :)
[12:47] <Miks> :(
[12:47] <diego> off*
[12:48] <lsuactiafner> thing is read array of strings.. sort, compare first letter to all other elements.. comepare first two letters ect.. do a shitload of maths and in the end it should say "logo" is something worth blockin
[12:48] <nikkia> epix, actually, you can try this first...
[12:48] <nikkia> epix, modprobe snd-usb-audio
[12:48] <Eni_> paulproteus i started thinking too that monitor is dying too... when im trying to start X, there are rainbow colors on the screen, and when i go to bios, there are also rainbow colors.
[12:48] <Seveas> diego, maybe he has set an appication to be opened for .desktop files :|
[12:48] <lsuactiafner> will spew useless hits out also..
[12:48] <nikkia> epix, that SHOULD get auto-loaded, but it might not for some reason
[12:48] <diego> Seveas: how do i check that?
[12:48] <Seveas> diego, no idea (yet)
[12:48] <lsuactiafner> but it might catch something i cant by tailin logs
[12:48] <nikkia> epix, snd-usb-audio is the alsa component that should deal with USB MIDI
[12:48] <Epix> nikkia, ok i will do that one sec
[12:49] <Epix> WARNING: Error inserting snd_usb_lib (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-lib.ko): Operation not permitted
[12:49] <Epix> WARNING: Error inserting snd_usb_lib (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-lib.ko): Operation not permitted
[12:49] <Epix> FATAL: Error inserting snd_usb_audio (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.ko): Operation not permitted
[12:49] <Epix> FATAL: Error running install command for snd_usb_audio
[12:49] <diego> Epix: root
[12:49] <Seveas> Epix, DO NOT PASTE in here
[12:49] <nikkia> epix, you have to sudo it :)
[12:49] <diego> lol
[12:49] <Epix> lol
[12:49] <lsuactiafner> Epix : try not to paste
[12:50] <nikkia> epix, i imagine it will present a /dev/seq device but don't hold me to that, i've not used USB MIDI on linux in about 2 years
[12:50] <honor> /dev/hda6       /data               ext3    defaults                          0       2 ???
[12:51] <Epix> nikkia: loaded...
[12:51] <jonas747777> should i download gtk 1.x or 2.x themes?
[12:51] <nikkia> epix, look at the output from dmesg to see if it reports any devices appearing (but don't paste it here :)
[12:51] <Epix> nikkia, i dont see /dev/seq
[12:51] <Epix> nikkia, cat dmesg |xchat :P
[12:52] <Trog|odyt> my install hangs at "configuring the network with DHCP' any ideas?? anyone? anyone?
[12:52] <Kyral> Does your network work?
[12:52] <Trog|odyt> yes netowrk works...
[12:52] <Epix> nikkia, i think that it was found
[12:53] <Trog|odyt> yes dhcp works on 3 other computers
[12:53] <Epix> as a low speed USB device
[12:53] <nikkia> epix, it will be low speed
[12:53] <Seveas> Trog|odyt, is it wireless?
[12:53] <nikkia> epix, you could also take a look through /proc/usb/devices
[12:53] <Trog|odyt> not wireless
[12:53] <nikkia> i mean /proc/bus/usb/devices
[12:53] <Kyral> Try skipping that part and doing it afterward (doesn't work on first shot with me either)
[12:53] <ironmc> LinuxJones  no can't print test page and I can't get Xsane to recognize the scanner although I have used it before
[12:54] <nalioth> howdy y'all
[12:54] <Trog|odyt> how do I skip that?
[12:54] <Funraiser> Trog|odyt, it works on windows?
[12:54] <Epix> Manufacturer=Evolution Electronics Ltd... Yep
[12:54] <nikkia> epix, there you go
[12:54] <Trog|odyt> network works on solaris and on mandrake
[12:54] <Epix> nikkia, what can i do with it though?
[12:55] <nikkia> epix, should have said it was an evo, i know their keyboards are USB MIDI profile compliant
[12:55] <Trog|odyt> how do i skip the network config page?
[12:55] <nikkia> (they actually make a fuss somewhere on their site about 'you don't need any drivers for windows, mac or linux')
[12:55] <Epix> nikkia, what does that mean for me?
[12:55] <nikkia> epix, it just means you never really need a driver, on any OS that supports USB profiles properly
[12:55] <Kyral> Trog|odyt: Expert Install and just don't select that part
[12:56] <nikkia> epix, it doesn't mean much more than that, really
[12:56] <Trog|odyt> ok thanks
[12:56] <Kyral> Should work :P
[12:57] <nikkia> epix, the next part is to get the device nodes present, although, you might not need them, alsa compliant apps can do IO without the /dev files present
[12:58] <nikkia> epix, they're actually /dev/midi* these days not seq
[12:58] <AndrWs> is it possible that Rhythmbox 0.8.8 can play mp3 files?
[12:58] <nikkia> (and they might be in /dev/snd/midi* instead of /dev)
[12:59] <nalioth> AndrWs: have you enabled universe and multiverse repos?
[01:00] <AndrWs> dont think so
[01:00] <nalioths_dog> AndrWs: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[01:00] <nalioths_dog> AndrWs: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:01] <nalioth> AndrWs: with those URLs, you can play almost everything you want
[01:01] <AndrWs> om i shall try .. Thx for the help :)
[01:01] <nalioth> AndrWs: thats what we're here for
[01:02] <diego> Seveas: any luck finding anything for gorthaug?
[01:02] <Seveas> diego, not at all :(
[01:02] <gorthaug> :(
[01:03] <diego> he should just f*ck .desktop files altogether and make symlinks heh
[01:03] <Seveas> diego, lol :)
[01:03] <Seveas> my thoughts too
[01:03] <diego> actually i don't think he'd mind that
[01:03] <nalioth> symlinks never fail
[01:04] <Kyral> The desktop should only be for windows and Desklets :D
[01:04] <Trog|odyt> Kyral, expert mode got me past the network config, thanks
[01:04] <Seveas> i'm grep'ing through my .gconf stuff to find something...
[01:04] <Kyral> np
[01:06] <lahbib> salut les mecs
[01:06] <Kyral> Is it bad that I am rather proud that I symlinked my anime HD into my Home Partition for when it gets full it won't look different?
[01:06] <liz4rd> is it just me or are the repos down...
[01:06] <lahbib> ok
[01:06] <diego> Kyral: yes
[01:07] <lahbib> no
[01:08] <rift-> Anyone here use the ATI fglrx drivers and have problems when switching virtual terminals?
[01:08] <nalioth> Kyral: i have no clue what you said, but i've symlinked my hfs+ partition into my homedir
[01:09] <Seveas> rift-, sometimes
[01:09] <rift-> happens to me all the time
[01:09] <rift-> i can't switch to a virtual terminal once x starts
[01:09] <rift-> nor can I restart x
[01:09] <rift-> it hangs
[01:09] <Seveas> the screen gets all messed up, but it restores after several VT changes
[01:10] <rift-> i can't get mine back, i gotta do a hard reset
[01:10] <rift-> kind of frustrating
[01:10] <Kyral> nalioth: Basically my /media/anime is gonna fill up full (160 GBs+ of anime, hell yah). So I made a /anime in my /home (which is about 280 GBs) and symlinked the directories to /media/anime
[01:10] <Seveas> rift-, I can imagine that...
[01:10] <lsuactiafner> Kyral : whats your fav anime?
[01:10] <Seveas> but unfortunately fglrx is closed source, so it cannot be fixed I guess
[01:11] <nalioth> giving you a homedir of (apparently) 440gb
[01:11] <rift-> ya i know
[01:11] <Seveas> file a complaint at ATI :)
[01:11] <rift-> i wish I never took out my nvidia card
[01:11] <rift-> it worked fine
[01:11] <Kyral> lsuactiafner: I'm mainly a Gundam Fanboy, but I am also a sucker for romantic comedies like Ah! My Goddess and Full Metal Panic!
[01:11] <rift-> not to mention the xorg issues now plaguing a lot of distros
[01:11] <diego> Seveas: he's fine with symlinking hehe
[01:11] <jayparadise> so control alt enter turns on sticky keys
[01:11] <jayparadise> i just learned this a la vmware
[01:12] <lsuactiafner> full metal alchemist was cool btw
[01:12] <Kyral> nalioth: No, its so when I start putting anime onto my /home in /anime, I won't have to jump all over the place
[01:12] <Kyral> Full Metal PANIC not Alchemist :P
[01:12] <Kyral> oh, Kenshin > j00
[01:12] <nalioth> Kyral: ok. i symlinked mine to have more space
[01:12] <lsuactiafner> yeh but ALCHEMIST rocked
[01:12] <rift-> Seveas, you have freezing issues with fglrx and xorg ?
[01:12] <rift-> i get complete hangs if I have xorg + fglrx + acpi + apm
[01:12] <Seveas> rift-, no(t yet)
[01:12] <nalioth> Kyral: got a mac OSX install just sittin there (might as well use the HD, right?)
[01:13] <Seveas> rift-, just crappy hibernating
[01:13] <jayparadise> you have an /anime?
[01:13] <ys76> rift-: acpi AND apm?
[01:13] <rift-> i don't even use acpi or apm, so I don't care
[01:13] <rift-> ys76, ya, had to stop both services
[01:13] <Kyral> nalioth: You have OSX? You BASTARD!! :P
[01:13] <jayparadise> snyone eelse have any odd / directories?
[01:14] <nalioth> Kyral: huh? i never use it
[01:14] <jayparadise> i have a /fear and /net
[01:14] <Seveas> jayparadise, /dynamite :)
[01:14] <ys76> rift-: There were some issues when you tried to run both...
[01:14] <lsuactiafner> i got /movies and /slackware and /mnt/01 to 10
[01:14] <lsuactiafner> lol
[01:14] <ys76> rift-: Try to rmmod at least the apm module
[01:14] <diego> Seveas: weird, he says not that he reinstalled glade-gnome2 his icons are back
[01:14] <diego> now*
[01:14] <jayparadise> im thining about chaning mountpoints from media to mnt
[01:14] <rift-> ys76, i don't use either, so I just removed both
[01:14] <nalioth> my roomates machine has win_c thru win_m
[01:14] <jayparadise> and using media as MEDIA
[01:15] <Kyral> I like Media
[01:15] <Seveas> diego :|
[01:15] <Seveas> odd...
[01:15] <diego> Seveas: could have been one of glade's dependencies i guess?
[01:15] <jayparadise> my media is cccurrently in ~  but soon to be in ~ftp
[01:15] <Seveas> yeah, perhaps
[01:16] <ys76> rift-: Try to complain at ATIs. They receive lots of emails during the last few days. Hope they change their politics a bit
[01:16] <rift-> ya I should
[01:16] <rift-> i can't believe they would release such a buggy driver
[01:16] <rift-> don't they have a Q/A department?
[01:16] <Seveas> nalioth, I'm shutting down thw 12-cell cluster, cya tommorow :)
[01:16] <zyth> it's ATI, haven't you seen their Linux driver history?
[01:17] <nalioth> Seveas: goin to 1-cell for dormancy and power savings, eh?
[01:17] <nalioth> lol
[01:17] <ys76> rift-: Yes, they do have one, but it's ATI
[01:17] <rift-> it is amazing that ati and nvidia are in two different worls
[01:17] <jayparadise> vmware is instaling winblo$ incredibly slow
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : cell processors?
[01:17] <rift-> *worlds
[01:17] <oo> I got a partition with 1.8 gb free which im planning to install ubuntu minimal on. when I in the installationprogress choose the guided partition tool. It chooses to make the swap partition like 112 mb big. and the other 1.7gb. is the swap partition to small?
[01:17] <oo> got 128 mb ram
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> oo : i think so
[01:17] <diego> Seveas: thanks for the help, though i was only a translator heh. peace
[01:17] <zyth> oo, that's fine
[01:17] <zyth> oo, generally your swap ought to = your ram
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> make it at least double your ram
[01:17] <oo> and where is the missing ~900 mb.?
[01:17] <rift-> i wish bf2 worked on linux
[01:18] <jayparadise> i thought it should be twice
[01:18] <rift-> then I wouldn't need to dual boot
[01:18] <gorthaug> Seveas thanks for all!!
[01:18] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: seveas is an advanced AI running on a 12-Cell cluster
[01:18] <zyth> eh, in my experience, twice your ram is overkill, but whichever :)
[01:18] <jayparadise> yea i htought it was odd too
[01:18] <jayparadise> but i read that somewhere
[01:18] <rift-> i rarely hit swap
[01:18] <rift-> i got 1GB ram
[01:18] <nalioth> oo it needs to be at least equal, and in your case trebel
[01:18] <jayparadise> i wish vmware would use swap
[01:18] <nalioth> zyth: if ya aint got much ram, 3x is good
[01:18] <oo> maybe I dont hit swap either. gonna run xfce4 and some other small, resource-light apps :)
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> lol nalioth
[01:19] <ys76> nalioth: I don't think so. You can run machines without any swap at all...
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> just this afternoon i joked about it
[01:19] <jayparadise> but its using the low mount of ram i have left and going reallly slow yet not slowing linux down
[01:19] <nalioth> ys76: and grow gray hair at the same time
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> ys76 : i ran a 42mb machine with no swap but it couldnt compile a kernel since it ran out of ram
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> and i didnt use -pipe either
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> he needs like 256mb just for firefox
[01:19] <oo> so. 256mb swap is better?
[01:20] <ys76> lsuactiafner: 42MB is not that large today...
[01:20] <lsuactiafner> oo : 246 @ least..
[01:20] <jayparadise> is abundant swap destructive?
[01:20] <oo> got a 700 coppermine celeron (mobile) and 128 mb ram. like L1 cache 64kbyte, and L2 128kbyte.
[01:20] <nalioth> jayparadise: no, just wasteful
[01:20] <lsuactiafner> but around 128*3 would be good, but 4* might make the machine slow, since a swap uses resources
[01:20] <jayparadise> im trying to maximize linux speed  , killing processes and everything
[01:20] <ys76> oo: That's similar to my machine
[01:20] <jayparadise> i dont consider 500 mb wasteful
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> oo : in that case 128*4 cant be bad
[01:21] <nalioth> jayparadise: if it's not used, it's wasteful
[01:21] <jayparadise> when you have 300 gb yet use 20
[01:21] <oo> ys76, oh. what applications u run on it? what window manager?
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> jayparadise : it is til you find yourself needing to use something thats ram intensive
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> course you can add a swap easily using a file and mkswap it.. but thats ugly
[01:21] <oo> just got a 9gb disk drive in my laptop..
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> but on my machine 1G dual drr and 1G swap i have ran out of ram twice
[01:22] <ys76> oo: At the moment I am running FreeBSD with fluxbox, but before that I used Ubuntu...
[01:22] <lsuactiafner> course my loads were in 21 21 21 area
[01:22] <oo> ys76, ok.
[01:22] <jayparadise> lsuactiafner, can you rephrse that "it is till you find soemthing ram intensive"
[01:22] <ys76> lsuactiafner: What did sou do on these mashines?
[01:22] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: ya got em curious, now
[01:23] <ys76> oo: Try to give your machine about 512 MB of swap
[01:23] <lsuactiafner> jayparadise : like if you compile ethereal-0.10.11.tar.bz2
[01:23] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: how bout compiling the gimp?
[01:23] <oo> ok. really need so much? just going to surf, icq/msn and mailing on my ubuntu distro.
[01:23] <jayparadise> i get htat but what are you pretaining to, its destructive when ram is intensive?
[01:23] <Alia25> bah cedega really gets me depressed
[01:23] <oo> maybe a little gimp.
[01:23] <lsuactiafner> ys76 : i encoded 3 dvds, ran firefox @ -3 with 100+ tabs open, had mp3s playing and was jumpin consoles ect
[01:23] <nalioth> oo at LEAST 2x your physical ram
[01:24] <lsuactiafner> mp3blaster runs @ nice -10
[01:24] <nalioth> oo: any gimp, 3x
[01:24] <oo> ok.
[01:24] <lsuactiafner> and i was compilin shit
[01:24] <jayparadise> see nalioth uses 2x ram too
[01:24] <nalioth> oo: and buy more physical ram (gimp eats it up quickly)
[01:24] <lsuactiafner> thing is, if you run out of swap and ram, oom-killer kicks in, thats ugly
[01:24] <nalioth> jayparadise: huh? not me, i have 1x
[01:24] <jayparadise>   o
[01:24] <ys76> lsuactiafner: I got that with a process that was leaking memory...
[01:24] <jayparadise> so lsuactiafner , more swap = better?
[01:25] <nalioth> jayparadise: i have 640mb on a G3/600 ibook + 640mb swap
[01:25] <lsuactiafner> yeh around twice your ram
[01:25] <jayparadise> if ur running heavy stuff
[01:25] <jayparadise> like i am now
[01:25] <lsuactiafner> since the kernel also over commits
[01:25] <jayparadise> yea mines 1.2 gb
[01:25] <jayparadise> do the math to fin my ramsize
[01:26] <lsuactiafner> i run heavy stuff, often i will have 11 consoles open, i'll goto bed and press enter on all of em. encode dvds compiling ect.. finishes when i wake.. thats on an amd64 3200+ 9 hrs later
[01:26] <jayparadise> yet vmware is going rediculously slow
[01:26] <lsuactiafner>  01:27:21 up  3:56, 16 users,  load average: 1.39, 1.48, 1.42
[01:26] <jayparadise> it still says 33 minutes remaining
[01:26] <lsuactiafner> jayparadise : renice it
[01:26] <unome> There's no need whatsoever for double ram swap if you have over 512 ram
[01:26] <nalioth> jayparadise: when ya have a teenynsy amount of ram >100mb you really need 3x
[01:26] <unome> 19:24:26 up  3:48,  4 users,  load average: 0.35, 0.24, 0.19
[01:26] <nalioth> unome: concur
[01:26] <lsuactiafner> unome : there is.. i often hit my swap and i got 1G dual ddr 400
[01:27] <lsuactiafner> depends on that you do
[01:27] <ys76> There are many opinions about swap out there... Some old documents say, you should have about 3 times your RAM. But what if you got 2 GB of physical RAM
[01:27] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: to each their own, but a good rule of thumb, it is
[01:27] <jayparadise> i dont know nice syntax
[01:27] <nalioth> ys76: the docs are OLD
[01:27] <jayparadise> ill consult the man
[01:28] <lsuactiafner> nalioth : yeh
[01:28] <ys76> AFAIK there is/was a limit at 2GB for SWAP-Space
[01:28] <unome> dude, 2GB swap when you have 1G 3200 PC is waste of space
[01:28] <nikkia> ys, best advice is to try and determine what you are likely to need
[01:28] <nikkia> ys, if you dont think you'll regularly need *any* swap, don't create a swap partition
[01:28] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: the avg user doesnt even realize ubuntu doesnt come with dev stuff
[01:28] <lsuactiafner> unome : should i paste you the oom-killer logs that killed half my system off at 1300 today?
[01:28] <nikkia> for occasional 'OMG i need to edit a 500MB photoshop file' use, a swapfile will work in /tmp
[01:29] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: so i don't think the avg use is gonna need to think real hard about it
[01:29] <ys76> nikkia: That's right, but would you like to repartition your hd the other day, because you got OOM-killed?
[01:29] <unome> lsuactiafner: no need for that I believe you
[01:29] <nikkia> i usually work with 3-4 swap partition, but i'll create a 512MB to 3GB swapfile in /tmp if i think i'm going to need it for a particular task
[01:30] <nikkia> ys, if you have 2GB you're not going to OOM unless you regularly need more than 2GB :)
[01:30] <lsuactiafner> just dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp_swap.img bs=1M count=1024 ; mkswap /tmp_swap.img ; swapon /tmp_swap.img
[01:30] <nalioth> i killed my system today (stupidly)
[01:30] <nikkia> ys, if you have 128MB then yes, you need a swap partition, and probably a reasonably sized one
[01:30] <nikkia> lsuactiafner: that's exactly what i do :)
[01:30] <unome> nalioth how did you kill the system
[01:30] <ys76> nikkia: And that was mentioned by oo who own a lap with 128 MB
[01:30] <lsuactiafner> nikkia : i used to have a file like that all ready incase i need it
[01:31] <lsuactiafner> till today i realised i didnt have one anymore
[01:31] <lsuactiafner> so i sat back and watched the system die
[01:31] <nikkia> lsuactiafner: its not like dd'ing from /dev/zero is slow :)
[01:31] <lsuactiafner> kinda eerie
[01:31] <Alia25> any females in here except me? feel kind of left out in here :)
[01:31] <nalioth> unome: opened a video for edtiing (slip of the context menu started it all off)
[01:31] <nikkia> lsuactiafner: it'd be nice if the system could auto-add swap like OS X
[01:31] <nikkia> Alia25: yes
[01:31] <nalioth> Alia25: nobody knew until you spoke up
[01:31] <remyforbes777>  alia25: why do you feel left out
[01:32] <nikkia> lsuactiafner: preferablly without OS X's abysmal use of said swap :)
[01:32] <lsuactiafner> Alia25 : now all the geeks in here will chat you up
[01:32] <lsuactiafner> lol
[01:32] <remyforbes777> lol
[01:32] <remyforbes777> lol
[01:32] <Alia25> lsuactiafner, wwell thats good!
[01:32] <lsuactiafner> lol
[01:32] <nikkia> or they'll just say 'lol' a lot, and cower in fear, which is what they usually do :P
[01:32] <Alia25> so i'll suck all knownledge you have ;)
[01:32] <unome> nalioth, ok, so which part died, the viedo card?
[01:32] <nalioth> Alia25: then you should lurk in here and soak it up
[01:32] <remyforbes777> im a noob so i dont have that much knowledge
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> Alia25 : try http://www.physorg.com
[01:33] <ys76> Knowledge? What's that? ;-)
[01:33] <remyforbes777> but nothing is sexier than an intelligent female
[01:33] <nalioth> unome: nah, it opened (forever) so i switched to another console (which took 2 minutes to log in)
[01:33] <Alia25> haha
[01:33] <nalioth> unome: was gonna kill it (with top) but top never started
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> remyforbes777 : an intelligent girl with a sexy waist+abs is..
[01:33] <nalioth> unome: so i just killed it (didnt want to wait forever)
[01:33] <ender_> how do I find out if GLIB was installed in PREFIX and that the GLIB_CONFIG enviroment variable is set to the right path? =\
[01:33] <remyforbes777> well that too
[01:33] <remyforbes777> lol
[01:33] <unome> I see
[01:33] <nikkia> lsuactiafner: *sigh* always with the insane requirements
[01:34] <lsuactiafner> lol
[01:34] <KillerSmurf> wacomcpl is a way of setting items for wacom tablet pads.   Is there a way to save the sttings as a default?
[01:34] <Alia25> remyforbes777, you'd be supprised that females are usually more intelligent that then they are given credit for.
[01:35] <lsuactiafner> nikkia : either i date bcom CA (charterd accountant) girls or BA mbw (like they study physical fitness)
[01:35] <pedingto> Hey folks
[01:35] <lsuactiafner> trade offs are =
[01:35] <mrpickles> does ubuntu ship with anything that can burn ISO's ?
[01:36] <pedingto> Just installed ubuntu...got a slight problem...lol
[01:36] <b_e_n_z> mrpickles, nautilus
[01:36] <ys76> mrpickles: You are looking for Nautilus
[01:36] <lsuactiafner> mrpickles : cdrecord
[01:36] <Alia25> mrpickles, k3b is good.. just apt-get that
[01:36] <pedingto> The screen size is very small...
[01:36] <lsuactiafner> i had trouble burnin a dvd the other day, like making an exact duplicate.. anyone know whats the best commandline for it?
[01:37] <KillerSmurf> wacomcpl is a way of setting items for wacom tablet pads.   Is there a way to save the sttings as a default?
[01:37] <mrpickles> thanks all
[01:37] <lsuactiafner> pedingto : press control alt +
[01:37] <mrpickles> Nautilus ?
[01:37] <pedingto> hrm.
[01:37] <Alia25> I have a laptop, what packages do i install to controll the wireless functions?
[01:37] <ys76> lsuactiafner: Hm, dd and growisofs did the job for me
[01:37] <mrpickles> i closed the window and can't remember the spelling
[01:37] <pedingto> Nope.  That didn't work :/
[01:37] <jo> hm
[01:37] <pedingto> I've had similar problems before with linux.
[01:38] <nalioth> unome: nothing reality shaking, just a slip of the context menu
[01:38] <lsuactiafner> ah ues now i remember growisofs
[01:38] <ys76> Alia25: try iwconfig it is already there
[01:38] <jo> i think i gif it up
[01:38] <pedingto> I managed to get it to work on a livecd of knoppix, but its not quite working here.
[01:38] <jo> after 10 oures of urbuntu
[01:38] <jo> yes tfor logitech web cam driver gr
[01:38] <lsuactiafner> growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso for a duplicate?
[01:38] <jo> i do that in gentoo in 10 sec
[01:39] <lsuactiafner> jo : then use gentoo?
[01:39] <ys76> lsuactiafner: I have to look it up..
[01:39] <pedingto> Ahh, the screen res for some reason won't go higher then 640x480.
[01:39] <jo> yes wil boot in to it
[01:39] <jo> donit get v4l1
[01:39] <jo> in here
[01:40] <lsuactiafner> or wite a bug fix
[01:40] <jo> webcam wont work
[01:40] <budluva> anyone have alsa problems with alsa on 2.6.10 kernel?
[01:40] <Alia25> thanks, ys76
[01:40] <ys76> jo: If it worked with gentoo, why don't you try to use the gentoo-kernel in ubuntu?
[01:40] <budluva> 2.6.10-5-386 to be exact
[01:40] <ys76> Alia25: You're welcome
[01:40] <lsuactiafner> pedingto : edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and look for a line called Modes
[01:40] <lsuactiafner> budluva : no problems with alsa.
[01:41] <lsuactiafner> but i use 2.6.12 i compiled myself
[01:41] <lsuactiafner> try lsmod and maybe you will see the wrong module loaded?
[01:41] <lsuactiafner> and make sure the correct one is loaded
[01:41] <jo> i doint like the how tos fron urbunto http://ubuntuguide.org/#manualupdate i look ther but man o man 90% is not working
[01:41] <budluva> lsuactiafner, via82cxxx              12956  1
[01:42] <budluva> lsuactiafner, seems like the right module for my snd card
[01:42] <jo> lsmod the modules are loded
[01:42] <budluva> snd_via82xx            25248  2
[01:42] <jo> but in gnomeeting v4l2
[01:42] <budluva> there's a bunch of other snd_ modules too, they all seem to be loaded fine
[01:42] <jo> andt that wont to load only my tv kaardt
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> dude dont paste i just guide you to a possible solution, i dont know much about alsa or the ubuntu kernels since i make my own things as i need it
[01:43] <budluva> i checked xmms and its using alsa as my output, and i've checked my speaker wires, and all sound volumes, xmms doesnt give me any errors when playing the song, just nothings comin out
[01:43] <pedingto> okay lsuactiafner I'm at modes
[01:43] <jo> not my web cam
[01:43] <gorthaug> well bye
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> budluva : run alsamixer
[01:43] <jo>  snd_usb_audio,snd_usb_lib,pwc,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd
[01:43] <jo> bttv,pwc
[01:44] <ys76> jo: What's thet pwc module for?
[01:44] <limer> I changed video cards from a gf4mx to an ati and now I can't load X.  what do I need to do?
[01:44] <lsuactiafner> pedingto : add something along the lines of "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1280x854" "1280x800" "1280x768" "1200x800" "1152x864" "1152x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[01:44] <jo> logitech web cam 4000pro
[01:44] <lsuactiafner> pedingto : i think you will need to restart X, so press control alt backspace and dont phreak out..
[01:45] <lsuactiafner> it wil come back..
[01:45] <ys76> jo: try to unload and reload it and have a look at dmesg. It should mention the device, your webcam ist broadcasting on
[01:45] <pedingto> Hrm, it is all there lsuactiafner .
[01:46] <jo> oke
[01:47] <jo> pwc Logitech QuickCam 4000 Pro USB webcam detected.
[01:47] <lsuactiafner> pedingto : ok then you need to look for a line VertRefresh
[01:48] <lsuactiafner> and HorizSync and check that those accurately describe your monitor
[01:48] <jo> but stil not working
[01:48] <ys76> jo: Have a look at the few lines before and after this entry. There should be a hint, which device to use
[01:48] <iznogood> jo: did you give v4l the right option, the right video device e.g.
[01:49] <jo> donit have  v4l1 but 2
[01:49] <orogor> hello
[01:49] <jo> yes i no how to set it up but i think its bug
[01:49] <jo> pwc Logitech QuickCam 4000 Pro USB webcam detected.
[01:49] <jo> pwc Registered as /dev/video0.
[01:49] <ys76> That's nice, so it is detected properly
[01:49] <pedingto> lsuactiafner: I know this is going to sound stupid, but those lines aren't in the file.
[01:49] <iznogood> and to which device is your tuner card registerd?
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> pedingto : they are..
[01:50] <ys76> jo: Try to use xawtv to test your cam
[01:50] <pedingto> I'm reading the file now...lol
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> around Section "Monitor"
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> should be before the part where you found modes
[01:50] <pedingto> nope...
[01:51] <ys76> jo: xawtv -hwscan should list ist
[01:51] <lsuactiafner> well... suppose thats why you cant change resolutions.. ok pedingto before you break something back the xorg.conf file up
[01:52] <orogor> anyone can connect to ssh on miochons.com ?
[01:52] <pedingto> lol already done ;)
[01:52] <jo>  xawtv wont in stal
[01:52] <jo> man o man
[01:52] <lsuactiafner> under Section "Monitor" add the lines, this is only an example and if you use the incorrect lines you could break things
[01:52] <lsuactiafner>         HorizSync       30 - 71.0
[01:52] <lsuactiafner>         VertRefresh     50-150
[01:52] <ys76> jo: And xawtv -c /dev/video0 should your grinning face on the mointor...
[01:52] <jo> i no
[01:52] <lsuactiafner> those numbers should be in the monitors manual or on the back of the monitor
[01:53] <ys76> jo: Any hints why it won't start?
[01:53] <jo> no
[01:53] <jo> bug
[01:53] <jo> must by
[01:53] <pedingto> I'm running a laptop....
[01:53] <jo> its flikering
[01:53] <jo> the lamp
[01:53] <jo> tan go out
[01:53] <ys76> jo: Did you try to start it with a higher debugging level?
[01:53] <resiak> Stop hitting
[01:53] <resiak> enter every
[01:53] <jo> no
[01:53] <resiak> two words
[01:54] <resiak> damnit!
[01:54] <magician> plz
[01:54] <magician> help me
[01:54] <jo> fust pis andt smook
[01:54] <magician> i have a problem whit ubuntu
[01:54] <magician> whit my graphic card...
[01:54] <ys76> jo: Did -hwscan list your devices
[01:54] <resiak> magician: What _is_ the problem?
[01:54] <magician> i cannot change resolution of ubuntu
[01:55] <ruzty> will linux run .exe files?
[01:55] <magician> only 640 x 4680
[01:55] <resiak> magician: Why did you need the preamble there?
[01:55] <lsuactiafner> man thats an annoyin problem, breezy really needs a tool to set resoluions
[01:55] <ys76> ruzty: No, it won't
[01:55] <ruzty> blast
[01:55] <jo> no xatw wont instal
[01:56] <orogor> there s  zine
[01:56] <jo> eating to
[01:56] <orogor> there s  wine
[01:56] <pedingto> This is a problem I've had with several distro's
[01:56] <ys76> jo: Ok, did you try apt-get update?
[01:56] <ruzty> trying to install a donloaded windows over it for the moment
[01:56] <pedingto> The only one I got it working in was knoppix.
[01:56] <magician> yes
[01:56] <resiak> Is Mono in Ubuntoy?
[01:56] <ruzty> and i can't find an image
[01:56] <jo> ys76  did that 1000 times
[01:56] <riffic> ubuntoy ?
[01:56] <jo> Reading package lists... Done
[01:56] <resiak> Sorry, a freudian slip ;)
[01:57] <iznogood> did you also do an, apt-get upgrade?
[01:57] <jo> E: Couldn't find package xawtv
[01:57] <jo> jub
[01:57] <KillerSmurf> wacomcpl is a way of setting items for wacom tablet pads.   Is there a way to save the sttings as a default?
[01:57] <jo> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:57] <stuNNed> so i can 'apt-get source package' in a dir, then tar zxvf original_package, cd to that dir, apply a patch, then run 'dpkg-buildpackage' within that dir and all is well and dandy?
[01:57] <Kyral> aptS xawtv
[01:57] <tim> windows is the worst thing in the world
[01:57] <iznogood> and if you try "apt-cache search xawtv" ?
[01:57] <Kyral> err
[01:57] <zenlunatic> lets report ruzty to piracy@microsoft.com
[01:58] <tim> is anyone else using window on sata drives?
[01:58] <Kyral> damn, thats my alias for apt-cache search :P
[01:58] <ruzty> scary
[01:58] <ys76> Kyral: Why not aptitude search?
[01:58] <Kyral> see, thats the problem with alias, you start using them, then you go to fix someone else's system and you are like "WTF are these commands?!"
[01:58] <ruzty> thx anywho
[01:58] <jo>  apt-cache search xawtv
[01:58] <jo> liblircclient0 - LIRC client library
[01:58] <tim> I need help if anyone is, because everytime I use grub to change the mbr, windows refuses to load the sata drivers
[01:59] <ys76> Maybe jo hasn't enabled multi- or universe yet...
[01:59] <Kyral> ys76: I dunno aptitude just didn
[01:59] <honor> I ruined up my filesystem first my bootpartition was read only after that I can't get grub anymore how to fix this?
[01:59] <Kyral> 't do it for me
[01:59] <nalioth> Kyral: "why does this machine not work?!"
[01:59] <budluva> what mpeg plugins do i need for mp3 playback in xmms?
[01:59] <Kyral> I like apt-get and apt-cache, works fine
[01:59] <jo> ys76?
[01:59] <Kyral> budluva: w32codecs
[01:59] <jp> Hi guys, I just restarted my pc, and there was a partition verification, now when I go to home/jp/x  there's not the most important stuff for me, I lost 500 mbs of pics and some videos cool im happy :)
[01:59] <ys76> jo: Did you enable multi/ universe?
[01:59] <jp> I wanna cry  :(
[02:00] <jp> how can I recovery that data?
[02:00] <jp> :(
[02:00] <jo> no doint thinkzo
[02:00] <jo> i niuwbie man
[02:00] <ys76> Kyral: I am fine with these tools too, but nearly anyboda else is using aptitude...
[02:00] <Kyral> Linux is all about choices :D
[02:00] <Victus> will my performance be affected by leaving kde lib on the system?
[02:00] <jo> so multi/ universe google i think
[02:01] <Kyral> I removed Synaptic too :D
[02:01] <resiak> Victus: No, only your disk spatce.
[02:01] <Kyral> actually, can I remove aptitude?
[02:01] <ys76> Kyral: Give it a try!
[02:01] <honor> Is there a way to fix my ubuntu wirh the ubuntu livecd?
[02:01] <orogor> anyone can tell me if there s something special to do on ubuntu to get ssh to work .?
[02:01] <jp> how can I recover my lost data?
[02:02] <resiak> jp: Look in /lost+found
[02:02] <orogor> my port is open and i cqn connect to it on local
[02:02] <ys76> jo: It is somewhere in ubuntulinux.org's wiki
[02:02] <Kyral> ys76
[02:02] <Kyral> BAD IDEA!
[02:02] <orogor> but i am behind a router and it doesn t works outside
[02:02] <orogor> and the port is forrwarded
[02:03] <jp> resiak jp@shawn:/lost+found $ du -sh >> 48K     . >> jp@shawn:/lost+found
[02:03] <jp> :(
[02:03] <ys76> Kyral: Why ist this a bad idea? It will remove aptitude and a meta-packet called ubuntu base
[02:03] <resiak> jp: You do of course have backups, yes? Seriously, I learned the hard way too.
[02:03] <jp> nop
[02:04] <Kyral> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/252
[02:04] <ys76> Kyral: So it won't harm you.
[02:04] <Victus> another question: I installed the mplayer plugin for mozilla but it crashes each time I try o view a quicktime file--has anyone else had this problem ?
[02:04] <Kyral> yah, but isn't ubuntu-base == CRITICAL?
[02:04] <jp> I don't like backup 'cause I don't have so much space of hd resiak
[02:04] <resiak> jp: So you get more.
[02:04] <DonL> Victus, mine just crashes sometimes, but I haven't been able to find out why
[02:05] <Victus> ahh thanks
[02:05] <Kyral> Wait for a sale at CompUSA :D
[02:05] <jp> resiak so gift me a new hd 'cause I'm poor resiak fuck you.
[02:05] <Kyral> got a 300 GB HD for about 150
[02:05] <orogor> anyone can connect to ssh on miochons.com ?
[02:05] <Kyral> jp: Language
[02:05] <iznogood> nobody's gonna fuck no'one please
[02:05] <orogor> and tell me if it works from outside
[02:05] <ys76> Kyral: ubuntu-base is just a meta-paket
[02:05] <Victus> does kaffeine work better for quicktime?
[02:06] <Kyral> orogor: Passwd & Username?
[02:06] <resiak> jp: Sorry, that came out sounding much harsher than I intended, I'm sorry. I just meant that this stuff happens, so it's crucial to at least burn stuff that matters to CD.
[02:06] <orogor> Kyral,  u can establish a connexion ?
[02:06] <DonL> Victus, I found the only thing that works at all is MPlayer, but I may not have given the others a good try
[02:06] <djs> orogor: I just tried and got to the point where it asks for a password.  Looks like it's working
[02:06] <orogor> huhu
[02:06] <orogor> odd
[02:06] <nalioth> Victus: do you have libquicktime installed?
[02:07] <ender_> whats the correct way to extract a .zip ?
[02:07] <orogor> it doesn t works from where i am
[02:07] <resiak> ender_: unzip
[02:07] <Kyral> yah, I got to the RSA Verification stage
[02:07] <resiak> ender_: (or file-roller)
[02:07] <ys76> Kyral: Do an aptitude show ubuntu-base and read the last few lines
[02:07] <orogor> from another comp on the network
[02:07] <orogor> djs,  do u think i need  bind or something ?
[02:07] <resiak> orogor: Can you ping it?
[02:08] <Kyral> ys76: Oh
[02:08] <Kyral> and it will prolly get reinstalled anyway when I get to Breezy in Oct
[02:08] <jp> I want to die I lost the mos importan stuff for me
[02:08] <orogor> resiak, i van ping only domain
[02:08] <orogor> resiak, not computer.do;ain
[02:09] <Victus> yes I have libquicktime
[02:09] <orogor> resiak, not computer.domain.com
[02:09] <lsuactiafner> omg ppl, its possible to do this.. nice -n 20 mplayer64 fight_club.avi -fs -rootwin -loop 0 -nosound -hardframedrop -lavdopts lowres=1 -vfm ffmpeg
[02:09] <resiak> orogor: Then that could be your problem. Try using its ip rather than hostname?
[02:09] <lsuactiafner> have a movie play as the X desktop background
[02:09] <resiak> lsuactiafner: Where did you just read that? Someone else just mentioned that to me
[02:09] <orogor> resiak,  that works
[02:10] <orogor> resiak, but i am behind a router
[02:10] <lsuactiafner> resiak : #mplayer
[02:10] <Efwis> help, need to change GRUB to load windows as primary and not Ubuntu, but the directions given in the unofficial guide dont' work, any ideas
[02:10] <resiak> lsuactiafner: Ahhhhh, djm hangs there too
[02:10] <orogor> Efwis, use lilo
[02:10] <lsuactiafner> uses around 3-4% of my amd64 3200 processor
[02:10] <resiak> orogor: And there's your problem! :)
[02:10] <orogor> resiak, huh ?
[02:11] <resiak> orogor: Sounds like the name resolution stuff is messed up
[02:11] <orogor> resiak, humm
[02:11] <Efwis> any other route besides LILO??
[02:11] <jp>  I want to die I lost the most important stuff for me, only for restart by power button, that never happened to me on windows xp, that's why I did it on linux, trsting on linux
[02:11] <jp> i'm just crying
[02:12] <mrpickles> HELP- I just installed nautilus through apt-get install nautilus gnome-panel-, and i seriously think it fucked up my install
[02:12] <nalioth> Efwis: in the future stay away from ubuntuguide
[02:12] <resiak> jp: Bad luck...
[02:12] <DonL> jp, it's happened to me more times than I can count. I've learned a lot though
[02:12] <mrpickles> how do you take a screenshot through shell terminal?
[02:12] <nalioth> Efwis: google has very good info on changing your grub
[02:12] <Efwis> thanks
[02:12] <nalioth> Efwis: as does https://wiki.ubunut.com
[02:12] <nalioth> crap
[02:12] <nalioth> Efwis: its really https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:13] <sorush20> hi.. guys is anyones screen savers jumpy in Ubuntu,
[02:13] <mrpickles> HELP- I just installed nautilus through apt-get install nautilus gnome-panel-, and i seriously think it fucked up my install
[02:13] <concept10> Efwis, you want to make windows default?
[02:14] <sorush20> its just that I have a machine laptop that doesn't have a jumpy screen saver where as on my pc WITH on board graphics its jumpy...
[02:14] <sorush20> can anyone help....
[02:14] <jayparadise> so the higher the nice value the more resources the process consumes, or the lower?
[02:14] <Efwis> yes
[02:14] <nikkia> jay, lower
[02:14] <sorush20> The Graphics Onboard my pc is SIS
[02:14] <Efwis> actually it for a friend of mine
[02:14] <jayparadise> damn
[02:14] <jayparadise> i just did the opposite of what i wanted
[02:14] <nikkia> -20 == more resources, +20 = less
[02:14] <jayparadise> i want to increase vmwares priority
[02:15] <jayparadise> htanks
[02:15] <sorush20> I didn't have this problem with windows...
[02:15] <nikkia> only root can set negative nice values
[02:15] <DonL> sorush20, when you say jumpy do you mean less frames per second? If so, maybe you're not running in accelerated mode
[02:15] <mrpickles> HELP- I just installed nautilus through apt-get install nautilus gnome-panel-, and i seriously think it fucked up my install
[02:15] <concept10> Efwis, sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst  - read the comments
[02:15] <sorush20> donl: could you please point me in the right direction to see if I can fix the problem...
[02:15] <concept10> mrpickles, first off stop posting that
[02:16] <mrpickles> sure
[02:16] <concept10> mrpickles, second, state your problem
[02:16] <jayparadise> ok now it says  old priority 19, new priority -20
[02:16] <jayparadise> so it should speed vmware up
[02:16] <nalioth> mrpickles: please give it a rest
[02:16] <DonL> sorush20, I'm not the best at this, but can you tell me what video card you're using?
[02:16] <nikkia> jay, it might, or it might not :)
[02:16] <jayparadise> and i gues slow the rest of linux down
[02:16] <nikkia> jay, priorities are a guideline to the schedular, at best
[02:16] <nalioths_dog> mrpickles: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[02:17] <concept10> mrpickles, state what has happened after the install
[02:17] <orogor> resiak,  is there  anything in the default ssh config of ubuntu that would restrict access to locales adresses only .?
[02:17] <mrpickles> before i installed nautilus, gnome had basically two panels that were part of the interface.  The ones that were at the bottom of the screen and the one at the top.  Now I intalled nautilus and those panels are gone.  I am entirely confused and worried.  I would simply lik to konw how to get rid of nautilus if that is possible.
[02:17] <ogami1972> hey folks- what's is yer sources.list?
[02:17] <TokenBad> apt-remove nautilus?
[02:18] <concept10> NO!!!!!!!!!!!1
[02:18] <sorush20> donl, its an asrock onborad graphics chip..
[02:18] <concept10> dont do that
[02:18] <mrpickles> I'm new to linux
[02:18] <jayparadise> it seems to be going faster now
[02:18] <mrpickles> dont apt-remove nautilus ?
[02:18] <concept10> mrpickles, can you right click and bring up a menu
[02:18] <resiak> orogor: No. I am now going to sleep
[02:18] <concept10> mrpickles, dont remove
[02:18] <mrpickles> ok sure
[02:18] <ys76> ogami1972: The sources.list contains all the repositories which are used to istall software
[02:18] <jayparadise> linuxis a monster ive filled myead with so much info sense i first began linux and still dont know half of it
[02:19] <concept10> mrpickles, can you right click and bring up a menu
[02:19] <mrpickles> yeah, so the right click menu is the only menu i have?
[02:19] <mrpickles> yes i *can* right click and bring up a menu ^^
[02:19] <DonL> Sorry, sorush20 , can't help you there. What happens when you go to a terminal and type glxgears?
[02:19] <concept10> mrpickles, open terminal and restart nautilus
[02:19] <mrpickles> what is the command to restart nautilus ?
[02:19] <sorush20> Donl: okay.. wait thanks..
[02:20] <Victus> yes I have libquicktime
[02:20] <jayparadise> on windows i was obsessed with obtaining maximum performance so this nice command is ...... no pun intended nice
[02:20] <ogami1972> well, yes, but apparently backports is down, and nerim is n't working either- i just want to be sure i'm up to date
[02:20] <sorush20> Donl.. there are three gears running very fast then slow.. then fast..
[02:21] <DonL> How many frames per second, sorush20 ?
[02:21] <jayparadise> does ubuntu automaticailly backup? ive noticed cron-daily and monthly in etc
[02:21] <mrpickles> concept10, what is the command to restart nautilus ?
[02:21] <Victus> whats the command to enable dma on the cdrom ?
[02:21] <concept10> mrpickles, try this: killall gnome-panel
[02:21] <sweepz> Hey. i have lost my root password so i need to use the sudo command but how fo i use it
[02:21] <mrpickles> gnome-panel: no process killed
[02:21] <sorush20> Donl; it depends on the size...
[02:21] <concept10> Victus, hdparm -d1 /dev/whatevercdrom is
[02:22] <Victus> thanks
[02:22] <oofnik> hey everyone, what is the difference between static link and dynamic link?
[02:22] <sorush20> Donl, its 16 on the large size and small it was about 367
[02:22] <concept10> mrpickles, ps aux | grep nautilus              is it running???
[02:22] <DonL> sorush20, assuming you do have a problem with accelerated graphics (and I think you do) maybe until someone else can help, go to your screensavers and disable any GL ones
[02:23] <Eman> hi
[02:23] <sorush20> okay...
[02:23] <sweepz> i wanna make my accouns that i using atm admin but what do i type after "sudo"
[02:23] <Eman> am not sure if am in the correct page, i need help to use bash
[02:23] <mrpickles> 1000      7881  0.2  3.7  38736 19484 ?        Ssl  20:11   0:01 nautilus --no-default-window --sm-client-id default3
[02:23] <mrpickles> 1000      7903  0.0  0.1   2216   732 ?        S    20:11   0:00 /usr/lib/nautilus-cd-burner/mapping-daemon
[02:23] <mrpickles> root      8091  0.0  0.1   3032   716 pts/1    S+   20:23   0:00 grep nautilus
[02:23] <mrpickles> i think so
[02:24] <concept10> mrpickles, wait one second
[02:24] <nalioth> sweepz: you can use system > admin > users and groups  if you like point-n-clik
[02:24] <mrpickles> k
[02:24] <nalioth> Eman: what kind of help?
[02:24] <oofnik> anyone know how to get xmms to play musepack files?
[02:24] <lsuactiafner> sweepz : i dont think you want a user running firefox or some network app with admin privilages
[02:24] <Eman> amm well, maybe its a little silly problem
[02:25] <Eman> am trying to make a little bash program
[02:25] <concept10> mrpickles, type nautilus in terminal and see if they come back
[02:25] <lsuactiafner> just keep a root terminal open if you hate sudo
[02:25] <sorush20> Donl: here is the link to the motherboard I'm using its http://www.asrock.com/product/product_p4s61.htm
[02:25] <Eman> but since i just got ubuntu, or linux
[02:25] <Eman> i really dun know the sintax
[02:25] <pedingto> lsuactiafner: I'm still having this issue with the resolution...I'm trawling for information about it.  But I can't seem to find a work-a-round.
[02:25] <ender_> how do I unzip into a directory?
[02:25] <mrpickles> alright
[02:25] <nalioth> Eman: here ya go http://www.google.com/search?q=bash+howto+site%3Atldp.org&ie=UTF8
[02:25] <mrpickles> i typed nautilus
[02:25] <mrpickles> and i got this
[02:25] <Eman> nice hx xD
[02:25] <mrpickles> (nautilus:8112): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[02:25] <mrpickles> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[02:25] <Eman> thx+
[02:26] <mrpickles> and then it brought up a window "root" with 3 files in it
[02:26] <Eman> lol google the answer of the gods =)
[02:26] <pinko> if someone cares to explain--
[02:26] <pinko> is there anything especially secure about using sudo?
[02:26] <nalioth> Eman: google, the first stop on the curiosity train
[02:26] <concept10> mrpickles, did your panels come back?
[02:26] <mrpickles> no they did not
[02:26] <Eman>  /msg nickserv register ffantasy
[02:26] <ender_> I used just unzip foo.zip and got like 100 files on my desktop =(
[02:26] <nalioth> pinko: yes, it keeps mistakes down to a minimum
[02:26] <Eman> ups
[02:26] <Eman> ajaj
[02:26] <jayparadise> when trying to display files using wildcards, ex: ls -l e* how do you get it not to display recursivley
[02:26] <pinko> from the user, ok.
[02:26] <concept10> mrpickles, you should try to log out and back on.  Dont save the current session.  They should come back
[02:27] <nalioth> ender_: with zips, you should usually make a folder esp for unzipping them
[02:27] <pinko> it's not intended as a protection against outsiders?
[02:27] <mrpickles> what is command to log out to the log in menu ?
[02:27] <concept10> mrpickles, if not, get back in terminal and run xchat and comeback here
[02:27] <zoople> hello all. newbie here :-)
[02:27] <nalioth> ender_: tar.gz and tar.bz2 files usually pop out with their own folders
[02:27] <nalioth> pinko: no, its protection of the system from the user
[02:27] <concept10> mrpickles, ctrl+alt + backspace
[02:27] <jayparadise> lol
[02:28] <concept10> lol
[02:28] <jayparadise> what did he want to do
[02:28] <zoople> has anyone ever had a: "Failed to initialize HAL" error on boot [dist: Hoary] 
[02:28] <jayparadise> im guessing not that
[02:28] <concept10> jayparadise, he is trying to get his panels back, he needs to restart nautilus
[02:28] <jayparadise> oh he did
[02:28] <virgule> Sorry zoople, I cant do that
[02:28] <jayparadise> he wanted to get to g/kdm
[02:28] <mrpickles> back
[02:28] <jayparadise> that was quick
[02:28] <mrpickles> the panels didn't come back
[02:28] <concept10> lol
[02:28] <jayparadise> what are you running man
[02:29] <zoople> ah ok virgule
[02:29] <zoople> :-)
[02:29] <Linux_Man> ping me
[02:29] <Eman_rpg> o yeah by the way when i use cfdisk i get an error
[02:29] <jayparadise> how fast is ur processer picckels?
[02:29] <concept10> mrpickles, run ps aux | grep nautilus again
[02:29] <Eman_rpg> u know how can i fix thar?
[02:29] <jayparadise> i didnt know ubuntu had cfdisk
[02:29] <zoople> ive had a hunt around, general consesis seems to be that it is a DVD writer problem, but not sure how to fix
[02:29] <concept10> mrpickles, you dont have any panels?
[02:29] <jayparadise> cool it does
[02:29] <jayparadise> nice
[02:29] <Eman_rpg> it does xD
[02:30] <mrpickles> no panels, except the one when i right click
[02:30] <jayparadise> cfdisk owns
[02:30] <pedingto> in xorg.conf what does "DPMS" mean under options?
[02:30] <mrpickles> ps aux | grep nautilus gives me exactly the same message
[02:30] <Eman_rpg> but i wanna get the id of one of the partitions of the HD to mount ssome
[02:30] <jayparadise> redners fdisk obsoluete
[02:30] <pedingto> under section monitor
[02:30] <mrpickles> but still no panels
[02:30] <jayparadise> dpms is um
[02:30] <jayparadise> dots per minute
[02:30] <jayparadise> i think
[02:30] <DonL> sorush20, I just did a google search on the Real graphics AGP in your system, and it seems other Linux users are having problems with acceleration with it as well
[02:30] <jayparadise> it has to do with .....iforgot
[02:30] <concept10> mrpickles, post the first one again
[02:31] <virgule> whoa Linux_man ping reply: 67.92s
[02:31] <mrpickles> 1000      8293  1.2  3.7  38492 19180 ?        Ssl  20:28   0:00 nautilus --no-default-window --sm-client-id default3
[02:31] <mrpickles> 1000      8325  0.0  0.1   2216   732 ?        S    20:28   0:00 /usr/lib/nautilus-cd-burner/mapping-daemon
[02:31] <mrpickles> root      8379  0.0  0.0   2904   484 pts/1    R+   20:29   0:00 grep nautilus
[02:31] <mrpickles> is what im getting now
[02:31] <pedingto> No worries jay, thanks for the help.
[02:31] <jayparadise> id say dont do that mrpickles
[02:31] <concept10> mrpickles, do you see that --no default window switch in there?
[02:31] <zenlunatic> isn't having DeCSS on your computer and using it illegal?
[02:31] <nalioth> zenlunatic: depends on where you live
[02:31] <jayparadise> in a chatroom on 450 5 lines or more can get you kicked
[02:32] <pedingto> Trying to figure out how to make this silly thing able to work in a higher res.
[02:32] <DonL> sorush20, look at this : http://www.yoper.com/forum2/lofiversion/index.php/t6615.html
[02:32] <jayparadise> of*
[02:32] <mrpickles> i think i see a no default window sm client
[02:32] <jayparadise> i wonder why knoppix has X errors with me yet ubuntu and debian dont
[02:32] <concept10> Well, I assume the first switch is your problem, I had it before, dont panic lemme figure this out
[02:33] <pedingto> lol - I've only managed to get X to work in 1024x768 on knoppix, but not ubuntu so far.
[02:33] <zenlunatic> jayparadise: because knoppix is not debian nor ubuntu perhaps?
[02:33] <jayparadise> based off
[02:33] <jayparadise> i have to set xvrefresh xsever and xmod'
[02:33] <virgule> pedingto: Do you have the Modelines setup correctly?
[02:33] <zoople> hey people..what is the go with mp3 players for ubuntu
[02:33] <mrpickles> im still here concept10
[02:33] <nalioth> zoople: what?
[02:34] <jayparadise> software patents
[02:34] <pedingto> to be honest virgule, I don't know.
[02:34] <mrpickles> zoople, do apt-get install xmms
[02:34] <zoople> would like an mp3 player for ubuntu..jus t thought id get advice on it
[02:34] <jayparadise> hey whats the deal with dvds on ubuntu lol
[02:34] <riffic> try out amarok
[02:34] <riffic> its qt based, but it is pretty good
[02:34] <jayparadise> as in whats the apt-get for dvds
[02:34] <mrpickles> amarok = the leet
[02:34] <zoople> ill try mrpickels thants
[02:34] <jayparadise> mplayer kind of works
[02:34] <nalioth> zoople: there are plenty, and like opinions, everone will tell you different
[02:35] <nalioth> zoople: do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[02:35] <zoople> ah ok :-) ya, its cool..just thought id get a few
[02:35] <jayparadise> but i have to go to the actual vod file rather than just hitting play dvd, that always fails
[02:35] <zoople> i have no idea...v bad newbie here
[02:35] <virgule> pedingto: does ' cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Modeline' output something?
[02:35] <nalioths_dog> zoople: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[02:35] <riffic> xmms2 should be out soon as well
[02:35] <nalioths_dog> zoople: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:35] <jayparadise> zoople: i learned tihs like 3 days ago
[02:35] <zoople> aweome
[02:35] <jayparadise> check the pastebin
[02:35] <zoople> thanks guys
[02:35] <mrpickles> concept10, I am just going to reinstall =( its not that bad
[02:35] <zoople> :-)
[02:36] <concept10> oh well,
[02:36] <nalioth> mrpickles: are you familiar with the comand line
[02:36] <zoople> my HAL problem is a pain in the ass, but i think that it is a bit advanced for me right now
[02:36] <nalioth> shcrap!
[02:36] <jayparadise> and just copy an overwrite you current /etc/apt/whatsitcalled.conf
[02:36] <nalioth> pickles coulda removed all the crap via comand line
[02:36] <concept10> nalioth, he just needed to restart panel apps
[02:36] <DonL> I'm off for now. See you later.
[02:37] <sorush20> guys how do I configure a wireless card....
[02:37] <jayparadise> iwhy does bash list recursivly when isuing ls with a wild card
[02:37] <zoople> ok next question :-p... good NTFS readers so that i can access my windows partition
[02:37] <jayparadise> like ls -l a*
[02:37] <sorush20> the problem is that when I search for it it is there in the lspci, but it nowhere to be seen anywhere else can anyone help please..
[02:37] <jayparadise> to see a files
[02:38] <zoople> oh shit
[02:38] <zoople> initgroups: Operation not permitted
[02:38] <nalioths_dog> zoople: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/windows_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[02:38] <jayparadise> i guess cus its a WILDCARD. but on other distros this wasnt hte case
[02:38] <Octane> anyone here get captive ntfs tow rok
[02:38] <jayparadise> methinks ls -l a*/ will override that
[02:38] <nalioth> zoople: you can't write to NTFS, without the great risk of total NTFS data loss
[02:38] <Octane> it keeps hanging on "searching for X server for Glade"
[02:39] <rodrigo> hola
[02:39] <zoople> wow..ok thanks
[02:39] <rodrigo> hello
[02:39] <nalioth> Octane: i do not load windows system libs into my kernel, thank you very much
[02:39] <zoople> ill just read from it then
[02:39] <rodrigo> help
[02:39] <Octane> nalioth lol :)
[02:39] <jayparadise> nope
[02:39] <jayparadise> no one else finds this to be a problem
[02:39] <rodrigo> alguien entiende espaol,
[02:39] <jayparadise> ?
[02:40] <jayparadise> nice i have M$ winD0ZE on vmware now
[02:40] <Eman_rpg> yo rodrigo
[02:40] <jayparadise> in the rare event i need soemthing unsupported i have a fix
[02:40] <nalioth> rodrigo: hablamos espanol en #ubuntu-es
[02:40] <jayparadise> TODO: procede to explore bsd and others with vmware
[02:41] <Eman_rpg> yep
[02:41] <jayparadise> hell yea
[02:41] <jayparadise> ill see you guys later
[02:41] <Eman_rpg> cya
[02:41] <nalioth> jayparadise: nice? like havin a cobra in a cheap paper sack kind of nice?
[02:42] <zoople> great..now my Users and groups thing wont start up
[02:42] <zoople> maybe i should reinstall
[02:43] <concept10> alright someone tell me how to chroot
[02:44] <zoople> initgroups: Operation not permitted
[02:44] <zoople>  ?????????/
[02:44] <zoople> brb people
[02:46] <virgule> ?
[02:47] <mika5> hello
[02:48] <Octane> when they say in the ubuntuguide to edit smbusers
[02:48] <Octane> and add system_username = "network username"
[02:48] <Octane> system_username is my username on this box, but what's network username?
[02:48] <nalioth> Octane: stay away from ubuntuguide
[02:48] <Octane> nalioth: why
[02:48] <nalioth> Octane: it will lead you back here
[02:48] <Octane> hahahaha
[02:48] <mika5> Hi I am new to Linux/Ubuntu, and was able to add JAVA support per the WIKI
[02:49] <Octane> got a better place for a samba guide, i have friggin used it in AGES
[02:49] <Octane> mika5: congratulations
[02:49] <mika5> but now it does not know where it is
[02:49] <nalioth> Octane: read item 3 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[02:49] <nalioths_dog> mika5: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[02:49] <oofnik> hey guys i have a question about the repositories
[02:50] <nalioth> mika5: that would be the self-extracting .bin file
[02:50] <mika5> that's exactly what I did and it worked, but now it doesn't
[02:50] <nalioth> mika5: you ARE using a x86 install, right?
[02:51] <mika5> yes
[02:51] <nalioth> what doesnt work?
[02:51] <mika5> the JAVA_HOME  isn't in the PATH
[02:51] <nalioth> mika5: you are confusing the wiki/ubuntuguide stuff with the ones above
[02:51] <mika5> my browser is looking for the java plugin
[02:51] <sara_poo> is anyone running e17 on ubuntu?
[02:52] <nalioth> mika5: wait one
[02:52] <Kyral> sara_poo: I have gotten it working, but not now
[02:52] <caonex> Seveas, 99% pass, and no errors, so it is not the memory
[02:52] <nalioth> caonex: Seveas is taking a nap
[02:52] <caonex> nalioth, oh hehe...
[02:53] <nalioth> mika5: you can type "java -version" at a terminal?
[02:53] <mika5> JAVA_HOME is in my /etc/bash.bash.rc but looks like it was not executed
[02:54] <mika5> yes i can see version
[02:54] <sara_poo> Kyral: whats changed?
[02:54] <sara_poo> Kyral: and what window manager have you chosen instead
[02:54] <mika5> I don't know
[02:54] <Kyral> sara_poo: A complete system crash and a reinstall :D
[02:54] <mika5> gNome
[02:55] <caonex> nalioth, maybe you can help me, X is kicking me out and when I try to switch back to it, the computer freezes up. Seveas told me that when I get a segfault in X is due to probably because of bad memory.
[02:55] <Kyral> yea, GNOME LD
[02:55] <nalioth> mika5: how bout "ls /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/" do you see libjavaplugin_oji.so in there?
[02:55] <sara_poo> Kyral: i'm not an ubuntu user yet, but i'm considering switching from gentoo
[02:55] <Kyral> Gentoo..............
[02:55] <sara_poo> i run a high end amd 64
[02:55] <nalioth> caonex: how much memory is in your video card?
[02:55] <Kyral> How I have fought thee
[02:55] <sara_poo> Kyral: whats wrong with gentoo?
[02:55] <Razor-X> sara_poo: well, the products differ
[02:55] <caonex> nalioth, 32MB.
[02:55] <Razor-X> Portage kicks ass
[02:55] <Kyral> Wouldn't boot 1/3rd of the time :D
[02:55] <sara_poo> Kyral: i'm actually happy with it, but always curious if i'd be happier with something else.
[02:55] <nalioth> caonex: could it be bad memory there?
[02:56] <caonex> nalioth, I ran the memtest on his command, and no errors were returned
[02:56] <Razor-X> I haven't found a package manager even close to portage, aptitude is a far second
[02:56] <sara_poo> Razor-X: does ubuntu have something similar to portage?
[02:56] <concept10> I need to restore grub, I just loaded Ubuntu LiveCD, could someone tell me how I should mount and chroot?
[02:56] <nalioth> caonex: got a beater vid-card to throw in it for testing?
[02:56] <Kyral> sara_poo: Apt-Get
[02:56] <Razor-X> sara_poo: it has a very very robust package manager, of course, but it doesen't compile source
[02:56] <muttDC> i have a question... when you type 'make' and it throughts out an error, does this mean that i'm missing some library??
[02:56] <nalioth> caonex: to my knowledge, memtest only works on system ram
[02:56] <sara_poo> Razor-X: why do you prefer portage over apt-get ?
[02:56] <Razor-X> or have the myriad of optimization customizations that Gentoo allows
[02:56] <mika5> naliot: yes there is
[02:56] <Razor-X> sara_poo: because it's so optimizable and customizable
[02:56] <nalioth> muttDC: that is one reason
[02:57] <muttDC> and if thats the case, how can i see whats the library i'm missing in order to make 'make
[02:57] <muttDC> ?
[02:57] <sara_poo> Razor-X: hmm.....  i'm not sure if ubuntu is for me....
[02:57] <Razor-X> I can get a Gentoo system to run on my 'ol 486 with a stage 1 -O5 and some others
[02:57] <Kyral> sara_poo: I used to use Gentoo, and honestly, it runs the same speed, if not faster
[02:57] <sara_poo> Razor-X: i'll give it a shot, but if i can't tweak a use flag, etc. i'm not sure what i'll do
[02:57] <nalioth> mika5: its seems that things are in order, im not gonna be much more help to you
[02:57] <Kyral> Ubuntu I mean
[02:57] <Razor-X> sara_poo: you'll just download it like a good person? ;)
[02:58] <sladen> Razor-X: unfortunately, on your 486 it'll take about 3 weeks to compile the thing...
[02:58] <sara_poo> Razor-X: ok, here it goes.  AMD64 ubuntu on it's way
[02:58] <LinuxJones> sara_poo, whnat are you using the system for ?
[02:58] <Kyral> sara_poo: No USE Flags, they are all precompiled binaries
[02:58] <Razor-X> exactly
[02:58] <sara_poo> my home desktop, but I'd like to install DB2 for practice (for work)
[02:58] <mika5> nalioth: like I said the PATH is not set for the JAVA_HOME though I have it in the bash.rc file
[02:58] <nalioth> sara_poo: get to know "apt-get source -b <pkgname>"
[02:58] <caonex> nalioth, I doubt it, another thing that I have noticed is that, and what could be the proble, my +5 v is down to 4.5 and that is causing some kind of warning.
[02:58] <sara_poo> I play some quake 3/doom 3 video games, ut2004, i run postgresql, hopefully db2 but i hate rpm systems
[02:58] <LinuxJones> sara_poo, you can always dual boot :)
[02:59] <nalioth> mika5: it should be /home/mika5/.bashrc    not bash.rc
[02:59] <sara_poo> I've heard of success stories about installing db2 on debian, so i think i can do it for ubuntu.
[02:59] <nalioth> caonex: yes thats a problem. time for a new 600w PS
[02:59] <caonex> nalioth, I think that is what has to do with the problem. Everytime I boot, latetely anyways, I get the message saying that there was a hardware problem to check the hardware monitor.
[03:00] <caonex> nalioth, you think that is just the power supply?
[03:00] <jjbenham> I am having trouble with dhcp failing in the installer. It works in every other distro but debian.
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> sara_poo: I played q3/doom3/ut2k4/wc3 all weekend on ubuntu :)
[03:00] <sara_poo> can you get cutting edge software more easily with ubuntu then with debian?   It's my home workstation, and I like to try some of the newer packages, cvs stuff... etc.
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> and it runs fine
[03:00] <caonex> nalioth, could not it be, the motherboard not handling the power correctly?
[03:00] <muttDC> nalioth, and how can see exactly what's the error when i type 'make' ??
[03:00] <nalioth> caonex: you'll need to borrow a "nice" (not cheap) multimeter and test your PS
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> sara_poo: the software's never more than 6months old, and usually within two months of the release the unstable distro starts to become usable
[03:00] <Kyral> sara_poo: Install Breezy
[03:01] <nalioth> muttDC: it should crap out all kinds of errors into your terminal
[03:01] <sara_poo> whats breezy?
[03:01] <caonex> nalioth, and I mean look, my computer seems to be working fine now, but if I leave it idle, then I find it in the console and sometimes unable to control it.
[03:01] <HrdwrBoB> Kyral: I wouldn't recomment that currently
[03:01] <nalioth> sara_poo: a puddle of trouble
[03:01] <sara_poo> lol
[03:01] <sara_poo> lets install it
[03:01] <nalioth> caonex: start testing your PS
[03:01] <Kyral> HrdwrBob: Was a joke :D
[03:01] <mika5> naliotH: i saw that it was empty s o I added the java in ~/.bashrc, log out several x and still not picking it up
[03:01] <caonex> nalioth, well, I do not know anybody to borrow it from ;)
[03:02] <jjbenham> dhcp seems to not work on ubuntu for me. It works in gentoo and many other distros. What is the deal?
[03:02] <mika5> nalioth: how do I invoke it on the console?
[03:02] <nalioth> caonex: pull your supply and take it to a local puter shop
[03:02] <nalioth> mika5: java -version
[03:02] <sara_poo> jjbenham: what does an ifconfig -a show ya?
[03:02] <mika5> i mean the new .bashrc
[03:02] <caonex> nalioth, it probably will return the same as my motherboard, because it is measuring 4.5 as of now, it marks it red for the items to be alerted for.
[03:02] <nalioth> caonex: if the supply tests OK, its in the mobo
[03:03] <nalioth> mika5: at a terminal in your home dir, type "source .bashrc"
[03:03] <djs> concept10: Still here?
[03:03] <caonex> nalioth, I see, puter huh? with time people will be saying ter!! and that will stand for computer, hehe
[03:03] <jjbenham> sara_poo: thanks for responding. I am not in ubuntu at the moment.
[03:03] <nalioth> caonex: if the supply tests badly, and you get a new PS, it may fix the prob
[03:03] <concept10> djs, yes
[03:03] <caonex> nalioth, we tend to cut all the words...this is the first time i see that one though
[03:03] <Victus> will apt inform if removing packages will break them ?
[03:03] <djs> concept10: This might help you: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[03:04] <nalioth> caonex: what are you talking about?
[03:04] <jjbenham> sara_poo: since dhcp failed I did this ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.5 netmask 255.255.255.0; route add default gw 192.168.0.1
[03:04] <concept10> djs, thanks for the link, ill make sure to provide the same on the rebound
[03:04] <djs> concept10: np :)
[03:04] <jjbenham> sara_poo: Then I did ping 192.168.0.1 and I got wrong data byte #30 should be 0x1e but was 0x22
[03:05] <jjbenham> Is this a tulip module issue? Dhcp issue? ipv6 issue?
[03:05] <nalioth> caonex: if they charge for testing, buy a new PS, take it home, swap it out. if it works the old PS was bad, if it does the same with the new PS, the mobo is bad
[03:05] <nalioth> caonex: if the mobo is bad, take the new PS back for your money
[03:05] <sara_poo> jjbenham: if your card shows up in an ifconfig -a , and your properly plugged in, etc, you sould be able to pick up an ip with either "dhcpcd" as root or "dhclient"
[03:06] <sara_poo> jjbenham: do a dmesg to see if your card gets recognized too
[03:06] <jjbenham> yeah it was recognized. I mentioned above how I manually configured it
[03:06] <jjbenham> It gives me errors when pinging the gateway
[03:07] <jjbenham> sara_poo: wrong data byte #30 should be 0x1e but was 0x22
[03:10] <fivre> the lag! the lag!
[03:10] <ampald> hey
[03:10] <HrdwrBoB> sara_poo: ubuntu uses dhclient by default
[03:11] <HrdwrBoB> jjbenham: sounds like there is something weird with your hardware
[03:11] <jjbenham> the same hardware works fine in debian 32 bit and gentoo, knoppix so far
[03:12] <ampald> i have a question that might seem dumb, but im wanting to use ubunto. can i use any linux-based software with unbuntu? like a linux messenger etc?
[03:12] <davidmccabe> Hey folks, where do I report security problems in Universe packages?
[03:12] <jjbenham> the amd64 bit version of debian has the same problem
[03:12] <davidmccabe> (eg, if the version in Universe should be updated for security)
[03:12] <HrdwrBoB> ampald: yes
[03:12] <nalioth> ampald: almost all linux stuff you want (not the payware linux stuff <unless you pay for it>)
[03:13] <Kyral> *cough* Cedega *cough*
[03:13] <Quest-Master> http://drule.leafo.net/junk/thaimonopoly.jpg
[03:15] <fivre> I find it really annoying that there appears to be no monitor calibration program for Linux...
[03:15] <fivre> everything's so dark
[03:16] <fivre> Hey, why is it that my nameservers don't work with my ISP's new assigned number, but work fine with the old one?
[03:17] <sladen> fivre: http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/02/07/2244242&tid=47&tid=26&tid=7
[03:17] <ampald> thnx BoB and nalioth :)
[03:17] <sladen> fivre: probably because they're blocked to stop the wrong people using them!
[03:18] <fivre> how convenient
[03:18] <fivre> hmm
[03:18] <fivre> but I'm a right people!
[03:18] <fivre> I pay for this horrible service!
[03:18] <nalioth> brb
[03:19] <Victus> how long does everyone think it will take for linux on the desktop to be able to fully eliminate the need for windows?
[03:19] <zenlunatic> Victus: why does it have to replace windows?
[03:19] <fivre> whatever amount of time it takes for WINE to work perfectly
[03:19] <HrdwrBoB> Victus: you can do it now
[03:20] <sladen> Victus: about 5 years ago
[03:20] <lsuactiafner> Victus : competition is good, hopefully windows will always fill a ninche market, along with bsd and and apple ect
[03:20] <virgule> It will never happen.. Windows is too deep and so widely spread
[03:20] <fivre> Windows is made by its apps, not the OS
[03:20] <NigelS> I'd say it's already eliminated the *need* for it in most cases but there are some killer apps that keep some people with windows
[03:20] <virgule> its hard to change people's mind better start early
[03:21] <virgule> CAD..
[03:21] <fivre> I still miss XiRCON-kano15b, foobar2000, and Logitech peripheral utilities...
[03:21] <Victus> yes but I mean native apps for quicktime and adobe
[03:22] <fivre> And I'm never going to adjust to the lack of middleclick=ctrl+T
[03:22] <X7C> how do i kill the fish?
[03:22] <ampald> where do most people download the programs they use for ubuntu? like word processor, music player, etc?
[03:22] <X7C> the thingie on ubnutu?
[03:22] <fivre> which is probably possible, I just haven't found it yet
[03:22] <zenlunatic> Victus: if ogg vorbis, ogg theora, and mpc were more widely adopted then it would be easier
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> zenlunatic: why?
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> zenlunatic: well, I know why
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> but it's not like the other codecs don't work
[03:23] <NigelS> see now I personally find every little piece of hardware having its own configuration programs and little annoying thing that sits in the task bar to be very irritating.  Things just plug and play on linux (provided there's the driver support with the kernel)
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> they are just questionably legal
[03:23] <zenlunatic> HrdwrBoB: yes legal
[03:23] <lsuactiafner> ampald : apt-get or synaptic
[03:23] <lsuactiafner> just run those programs..
[03:23] <lsuactiafner> you will see
[03:23] <lsuactiafner> but i need sleep
[03:24] <lsuactiafner> Mon Jun 27 03:24:55 SAST 2005
[03:24] <ampald> thnx
[03:24] <fivre> I'm still on Sunday...
[03:24] <lsuactiafner> lol
[03:25] <fivre> where are you?
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> fivre: I'm at work on monday
[03:25] <lsuactiafner> well monday exists so dont worry anymore
[03:25] <ampald> its monday 11.20am here
[03:25] <fivre> dangit...
[03:25] <fivre> we should just all use GMT
[03:25] <lsuactiafner> south-africa
[03:25] <lsuactiafner> night ppl
[03:25] <fivre> and live with the associated oddities
[03:26] <zenlunatic> HrdwrBoB: but its not like you can't watch a dvd on a dvd player or cd on a cd player
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> zenlunatic: exactly
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> and it's also not like you need those features on a corporate desktop
[03:26] <fivre> I DON'T CARE IF NOON IS THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT
[03:27] <Victus> yes but for simple everyday usage those kinds of things are needed
[03:28] <concept10> anyone know admin password for kubuntu live cd?
[03:28] <NigelS> if anything I think linux has more problems with the *need* question that Victus posed in the home.  The home user will use the gimp and kmail but it's certain corporate environments where they *must* use adobe photoshop and microsoft outlook/exchange server that you have problems.
[03:28] <lsuactiafner> concept10 : user passwd
[03:28] <lsuactiafner>  03:29:28 up  5:58, 19 users,  load average: 5.72, 5.25, 4.45
[03:29] <lsuactiafner> batch jobs runnin
[03:29] <NigelS> I mean, more problems in the office.
[03:29] <fivre> well, look at the beginning of computing
[03:30] <fivre> well, maybe a bit past that
[03:30] <fivre> Windows wasn't really universal until 95 and NT 4.0
[03:31] <fivre> at which point Mac kinda died
[03:32] <NigelS> sure, but apple has hung on by being first with some killer apps - notably graphics and DTP/CAD apps that mean that even though they were way more expensive than an IBM gray box with msdos/windows people still paid and continue to pay the premium
[03:32] <dave_> hi room
[03:32] <NigelS> that's the challenge of linux vs windows only windows saturated the market to such an extent with its model of business that they have so-called migration stopping apps in numerous fields
[03:32] <dave_> I have a question
[03:32] <fivre> indeed you do
[03:33] <dave_> how do you adjust screen resolution? I only have 640x480 option
[03:33] <NigelS> hmm, I noticed the hoary install didn't do a very good job of making people's X server config files
[03:33] <muttDC> where can i find deb's files?? (im trying to find the gift-ares plugin cause it gave me an error when i tried to install the source) ??, some repository somewhere?
[03:34] <HrdwrBoB> NigelS: depends
[03:34] <NigelS> when I tried a fresh install I had to fiddle with mine to get sane values
[03:34] <fivre> Computer>System Configuration>Screen Resolution
[03:34] <lsuactiafner> NigelS : it did create the file.. just not the correct file lol
[03:34] <dave_> I've went there fivre but I do not get any other options but 640x480
[03:35] <djs> !resolution
[03:35] <ubotu> [resolution]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:35] <lsuactiafner> xorgconf
[03:35] <fivre> does your monitor support anything higher?
[03:35] <dave_> my monitor does
[03:35] <fivre> does ubuntu support your graphics card?
[03:35] <NigelS> dave_: yeah, you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add more resolutions.  They should have been put there by the installer but it seems it's not doing it right atm
[03:35] <fivre> ah
[03:36] <fivre> ok, well, it worked for Warty
[03:36] <dave_> I have a nvidia gx5200
[03:36] <sabbath> how do I get a cool framebuffer console when I bootup? =)
[03:36] <dave_> Nigels...how do I do that?
[03:36] <fivre> damnit
[03:36] <fivre> now my arm is all wet
[03:36] <Victus> with linux on the desktop though, eventually all codecs will be available natively-- I was asking when people think it will happen
[03:38] <nalioth> muttDC: what program/lib are you after?
[03:38] <sabbath> i miss my little penguin and higher resolution that I had during boot-up with my slackware box
[03:38] <muttDC> nalioth, im trying to install ares plugin for giFT
[03:39] <nalioth> muttDC: is there a web page for that?
[03:39] <NigelS> dave_: that guide that the bot spammed will prob be best for you.  But if you want to add them yourself just use a text editor like gedit in gnome or emacs/nano/vim at the console and edit the file, adding more resolutions.  YOu will see the way to add them as the 640x480 will be written in already
[03:40] <muttDC> nalioth, yes.. i tried to install the source but when i typed make it trought me out an error.. want the webpage for that project?
[03:40] <nalioth> muttDC: please
[03:40] <muttDC> nalioth, http://gift-ares.berlios.de/
[03:41] <NigelS> Victus: codecs are available natively now so to speak.  If you mean will they be available unencumbered by the license problems that make them unsuitable for free software purists then I'm not sure that will come about universally for linux.  I think certain distros like Xandros and Linspire will continue to do deals and get actual licensed dvd decoding though
[03:41] <superkitty> how well will Ubuntu run on 128MB of ram?
[03:41] <nalioth> NigelS: they are not available now
[03:41] <nalioth> NigelS: i cannot use win32 codecs
[03:41] <jasmuz> superkitty: somewhat
[03:42] <NigelS> well it depends what codecs we're talking about.  I don't have any trouble with just about any format on the net - which ones are you thinking of nalioth ?
[03:42] <superkitty> jasmuz that doesnt sound promissing
[03:42] <cristiano> gud night :) somone can help me?
[03:42] <jasmuz> superkitty: instead of using gnome ...install Xfce
[03:42] <xxtreme> superkitty, im running ubuntu on a P2 128mb at home
[03:43] <nalioth> NigelS: there aer some that dont work on ppc arch
[03:43] <xxtreme> its ok, nothing to brag about it works
[03:43] <pestilence> during install, it asks you whether the hardware clock is set to GMT or not.  i selected the wrong option.  how do i fix it?
[03:43] <superkitty> xxtreme i will be running it on a P3 with a 700mhz cpu
[03:43] <cristiano> how do i make my serial mouse works?
[03:43] <cristiano> :(
[03:43] <xxtreme> superkitty, you'll do fine
[03:44] <cristiano> mdetect doesnt work :~
[03:44] <NigelS> yeah, superkitty there are options for low resource systems if you like, but now-a-days gnome will be a bit clunky on a lower resourced system
[03:44] <xxtreme> superkitty, in the future add some ram, its cheap
[03:44] <superkitty> how well does the OS configure modems?
[03:44] <NigelS> nalioth: ah I see, I guess not many will be running desktops with PPC into the future though I guess :)
[03:44] <NigelS> I thought job's keynote was funny :)
[03:45] <xxtreme> superkitty, it should do it for you
[03:45] <nalioth> NigelS: that is a good point (although i've been thinking about a small 8xPower IBM box)
[03:45] <xxtreme> superkitty, go for it
[03:45] <oofnik> can anyone help me with xmms?
[03:45] <ttyS0> how to upload file on server using "ssh" utility? =)
[03:46] <pestilence> oofnik, just ask
[03:46] <xxtreme> oofnik, ask away
[03:46] <NigelS> ttyS0: use scp/sftp
[03:46] <jasmuz> oofnik: what is your issue
[03:46] <nalioth> ttyS0: just like ftp, 'get' and 'put'
[03:46] <NigelS> ttyS0: which is part of the ssh suite if utils
[03:46] <nalioth> ttyS0: or you use 'sftp'
[03:46] <dave_> Nigel, please run by me again how to correct issue with resolution
[03:47] <nalioth> muttDC: do you have libgift on your system?
[03:47] <dave_> new to ubuntu
[03:47] <ttyS0> ty :)
[03:47] <NigelS> nalioth: yeah, I'm sure it's pretty cool - I guess PPC will still be around for a while - will become collectors items on ebay even for PPC mac things I suspect.  Jobs reckons *they* can transition in 2 years but the customers will take longer :)
[03:48] <NigelS> hmm, maybe I should buy a PPC mac, keep it in pristine condition for 15 years :)
[03:48] <NigelS> dave_: there was a guide on the wiki for you, one sec
[03:48] <xxtreme> Nigel, and i just bought a PB, dangit
[03:48] <muttDC> nalioth, yes i also have the libgift-dev 'cause i needed it for the './configure
[03:48] <cristiano> how do i make my serial mouse works?
[03:48] <nalioth> NigelS: this one i'm using now (via ubuntu) is over 3.5 years old (from time i opened the box) and (besides a HD replacement) is still goin quit well
[03:48] <cycom> I love ubuntu.
[03:48] <cycom> just thought you all should know
[03:48] <nalioth> xxtreme: you will use your PB for a long long time
[03:48] <NigelS> dave_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:49] <nalioth> xxtreme: NEVER regret buying a mac
[03:49] <jasmuz> cycom: WE ALL DO
[03:49] <nalioth> xxtreme: if you REALLY don't like it, sell it to me
[03:49] <xxtreme> NigelS, i'll be returning it next week, and ue my IBM T42 on the road
[03:49] <NigelS> nalioth: cool, I was tempted to buy a PB a while back, I love their design but then I realised that I'm a student and have no money :)
[03:49] <cycom> NigelS: same here. I ended up with a compaq
[03:49] <nalioth> xxtreme: sell it to me (unless the apple store will give you your money back)
[03:49] <xxtreme> nalioth, im not complaining, trust me
[03:49] <dave_> nigel, says page does not exist yet
[03:50] <Victus> does anyone know how I can get evolution to display pictures in emails?
[03:50] <jasmuz> NigelS: we all lust for hardware
[03:50] <nalioth> NigelS: the macs are well built (that i've owned) and last a good long time (from experience)
[03:50] <rodrigo> hello
[03:50] <xxtreme> nalioth, they will refund me
[03:50] <virgule> Its is the settings -> mail -> HTML -> always load images....
[03:50] <oofnik> alright.. i built a new input plugin for xmms, and it is in the correct directory, but xmms refuses to see it and i have no idea why
[03:50] <rodrigo> una pregunta como se entra al editor
[03:50] <jasmuz> ive been lusting over an old laptop, like forever
[03:50] <virgule> or something alike ;)
[03:50] <nalioth> NigelS: i've owned 3 intel notebooks in the 3.5+ years i've had this one, and they all felt/were cheap
[03:50] <jasmuz> rodrigo: a cual editor te refieres?
[03:50] <NigelS> xxtreme: that's pretty cool - I can understand wanting to return it when faster PBs are sort of around the cornet
[03:50] <NigelS> cornet*
[03:50] <NigelS> doh!
[03:51] <NigelS> corner*
[03:51] <oofnik> is there some sort of local plugin database for xmms or something?
[03:51] <nalioths_dog> dave_:  find out how you can change your display's resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:51] <rodrigo> de las x
[03:51] <muttDC> nalioth, thanks a lot man i already installed ares plugin ;)
[03:51] <virgule> I got it: images in Evolution: Edit->PreferencesMail Preferences->HTML Mail. look in this panel its there
[03:51] <NigelS> nalioth: yeah, this is my parent's one that Ive borrowed while I'm at home and the keyboard and construction is quite cheap and nasty :)
[03:51] <xxtreme> NigelS= yeah, i can wait, for them, i just hope they have all the bugs out, when they ship off the first batch
[03:51] <jasmuz> rodrigo: xorgconfig
[03:51] <nalioth> NigelS: faster pbs will ALWAYS be around the corner
[03:52] <nalioth> muttDC: great
[03:52] <rodrigo> para modicar del mouse
[03:52] <NigelS> nalioth: we're not talking brushed aluminium look here :)
[03:52] <jasmuz> rodrigo: que mouse tienes?
[03:52] <nalioth> NigelS: the busted-plastic-aluminum-look?
[03:52] <xxtreme> nalioth, are you hearing anything about PB G5's
[03:52] <rodrigo> genius
[03:52] <nalioth> xxtreme: never happen
[03:53] <djs> N0-De4th-Subst4n (cristiano): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SerialMouseHowto
[03:53] <xxtreme> nalioth, dangit
[03:53] <N0-De4th> ty djs  :)
[03:53] <nalioth> xxtreme: freescale has revealed some 1.67ghz G4s (and whispers about dual-core G4s are heard)
[03:53] <NigelS> xxtreme: yeah :) they're using dual binaries for a while and also "rosetta" which is meant to do transparent PPC emulation on x86 for those binaries that are legacy
[03:53] <NigelS> should be fun bug wise :)
[03:53] <jasmuz> rodrigo: que tipo de mouse es
[03:53] <zoople> hello. newbie here. how do i become the admin on my comp. I installed it, but it seems that i dont have access to some things
[03:53] <NigelS> though at the keynote they demonstrated mathematica and said they'd ported it in 2 hours to x86 mac
[03:53] <nalioth> !root
[03:53] <ubotu> well, root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:53] <djs> N0-De4th: yw :)
[03:53] <xxtreme> NigelS, so i guess just max out the ram, huh?
[03:53] <nalioth> zoople: read waht ubotu said
[03:53] <rodrigo> el tipo me mouse es un genius
[03:54] <rodrigo> netscroll
[03:54] <NigelS> nalioth: it's the chinese toy factory spare plastic parts look on this fujitsu siemens one
[03:54] <Darkfusion> so my friends comp starts up, goes to a blank screen, and then the ubuntu login shows up after a couple minutes, what should I tell him to do? He has no framebuffer.
[03:54] <zoople> ok :-) ill give it a read, thanks
[03:54] <nalioth> NigelS: i don't care to discuss chinese x86 cheapness. i bought several and ran linux on em (til they crapped out)
[03:55] <NigelS> xxtreme: possibly, atm they're promising the world and claiming that the overhead is tiny but I'd wait and see
[03:55] <NigelS> the latest version of Xcode is designed to make porting architectures easy apparently...
[03:55] <jasmuz> rodrigo: que raro que no te trabaja
[03:55] <oofnik> ahh lockup..
[03:56] <nalioth> NigelS: yes, just tick the box
[03:56] <xxtreme> NigelS, im in construction, and for designs, and blueprints, you can't beat a Mac
[03:56] <nalioth> NigelS: apple (via next) has a history of 'fat binarys'
[03:56] <oofnik> so no ideas on my xmms problem?
[03:56] <xxtreme> oofnik, u never asked
[03:56] <virgule> oofnik: remind me..
[03:57] <NigelS> yeah, I watched the quicktime file of jobs demoing it on stage but as ever you have to wonder what kind of a beast he was using to run the programs
[03:57] <rodrigo> xorgconfig
[03:57] <oofnik> haha, i did, i said xmms didn't see all of my input plugins in the directory
[03:57] <rodrigo> si no :; =?
[03:57] <zoople> is it possible to log in as root?
[03:57] <oofnik> i just built one and it was installed in /usr/lib/xmms/Input.. but xmms doesn't see it
[03:57] <nalioth> zoople: possible but not advised
[03:57] <virgule> chmod ?
[03:57] <Cyber23> has anyone got those new ati drivers to work yet for Ubuntu
[03:58] <nalioth> zoople: did you read that url?
[03:58] <pietro_spina> xxtreme: You find any good linux apps for 2Dcad?
[03:58] <zoople> yes
[03:58] <zoople> but dont really understand
[03:58] <zoople> lol...sill newbie
[03:58] <jasmuz> oofnik: place it in your home/user/.xmms/plugins
[03:58] <xxtreme> pietro_spina, freecad, this other one, let me check
[03:58] <nalioth> zoople: if you log in as root, other users can trick you (or your puter) into doing bad things
[03:58] <tiglionabbit> say, is there a way I can just run a graphical exe that's not an installer?  I forget if that's possible
[03:59] <nalioth> zoople: on the othe hand, "YOU" logged in as root constantly can do bad things to the system
[03:59] <nalioth> zoople: sudo is a 'safety net' for users
[03:59] <zoople> ah ok
[03:59] <zoople> that makes sense
[03:59] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: any linux app will run from the command line
[04:00] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: I mean a windows exe
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> it's a nice balance between 'root all the time' and 'ability to alter system settings'
[04:00] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: i have no idea
[04:00] <SpecialBuddy> what should I download for avi files
[04:00] <nalioths_dog> SpecialBuddy: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[04:00] <SpecialBuddy> thanks
[04:00] <tw|lit> where can i get firefox 1.04 debs  for ubuntu ?
[04:01] <unome> with root, a space slip can cost you the entire system. Imagine this rm -rf  /home/you/file.txt (notice the space)
[04:01] <xxtreme> pietro_spina> check out www.graphiteone.com
[04:01] <oofnik> jasmuz it still does not work
[04:01] <Cyber23> Can someone help me get my ati drivers working in Ubuntu
[04:01] <tw|lit> i mean packages from the devel tree
[04:01] <virgule> unome: what would it do?!
[04:01] <jasmuz> oofnik: no idea
[04:01] <pietro_spina> xxtreme: Sweet, looking at freecad right now.... Looks much more mature than I recall
[04:01] <unome> virgule: I mean rm -rf / home/you/file
[04:01] <nalioth> tw|lit: at this time, you cant
[04:02] <Cherax> anybody knows a guide on how to strip down ubuntu for an old laptop
[04:02] <virgule> lemme try that..
[04:02] <unome> lol
[04:02] <zoople> so...for sudo, i just type in: sudo chown bob * and im all good
[04:02] <nalioth> tw|lit: ubuntu ff 1.0.2 has the security fixes rolled into it
[04:02] <xxtreme> pietro_spina> yeah, i remember the older versions
[04:02] <tw|lit> nalioth: ok. thanks
[04:02] <nalioth> zoople: yes, if you wanted to chown bob
[04:02] <oofnik> hm.. thanks any jasmuz, anybody want to help me figure out why xmms doesn't see all my input plugins?
[04:02] <oofnik> anyway*
[04:02] <xxtreme> pietro_spina> dont forget graphiteone
[04:02] <nalioth> Cherax: do a server install
[04:02] <zoople> so i write sudo chown root *
[04:03] <nalioth> Cherax: then use a lightweight window mangler
[04:03] <nalioth> zoople: its "sudo <command>"
[04:03] <pietro_spina> aat: site not found... Googleing now...
[04:04] <xxtreme> pietro_spina> www.graphiteone-cad.com   sorry
[04:04] <pietro_spina> xxtreme: http://www.graphiteone-cad.com/en/   For your updated bookmarks...
[04:04] <pietro_spina> hehe
[04:04] <rodrigo> q puedo  hacer.,.  =?
[04:06] <pietro_spina> xxtreme: have you used either of those for a real project?
[04:06] <oofnik> i think i found something, there is a libmpc.la file in the plugin directory, and it specifies the plugin's dependant libraries... maybe i don't have one of them?
[04:06] <netsniper> who needs help?
[04:06] <netsniper> im ready
[04:06] <Vinh> meme
[04:07] <netsniper> ok...shoot
[04:07] <virgule> netsniper: I may have a challenge for you
[04:07] <netsniper> ?
[04:07] <xxtreme> pietro_spina= freecad, 4 months ago, im really looking into graphiteone
[04:07] <virgule> XMMS run fine is Xfce4, crash in KDE but load and wont do anything in GNOME? So whats up?
[04:08] <resiak> virgule: Sound daemons.
[04:08] <xxtreme> pietro_spina>= i called them last week, and we're getting together soon
[04:08] <virgule> lets kill the bad daemons
[04:08] <netsniper> virgule, does it seg fault?
[04:08] <virgule> nope.
[04:08] <Vinh> netsniper: its been pissing me for days but I can get nice msfonts working lovely for programs and etc but not for firefox surfing for somereason unless i use the firefox option "must use these fonts" then i see sites not met to been seen that way, countless number of linux i tried with koquer couldnt get working and now firefox.
[04:09] <virgule> in KDE it wont even load, in GNOME it load, start to play but promptly stop just befaore anything audible comes out
[04:09] <virgule> i got to xkill by then
[04:09] <pietro_spina> xxtreme: I'm in an Auto cad world right now. But I dont suspect I'll ever afford it if I go out on my own...
[04:09] <netsniper> Vinh, did you follow the ubuntuguide.org instructions for adding core MS fonts?
[04:09] <Vinh> yep
[04:09] <xxtreme> pietro_spina>= they need promotion here in Miami, so I hope I can make a deal
[04:09] <Vinh> like the fonts in firefox webpages, arent anti lised or something i think like msfonts
[04:09] <Vinh> not smooth
[04:10] <netsniper> virgule, did you try to debig with gdb?
[04:10] <xxtreme> pietro_spina> r  u  licensed
[04:10] <virgule> i dunno how
[04:10] <pietro_spina> xxtreme: Their UI looks like it could use some work....
[04:10] <pietro_spina> xxtreme: starting exams next month...
[04:11] <Vinh> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=1474&stc=1&thumb=1, http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=1476&stc=1&thumb=1
[04:11] <Cherax> netsniper do you know how to do a strip down version of Ubuntu, like disable all the service
[04:11] <Vinh> thats what my fonts look like in firefox netsniper
[04:11] <NeoGeo64> whats the best kind of linux to put on a pentiumn100 with 16mb of ram and 1gb hdd
[04:11] <xxtreme> pietro_spina> hey wait, until they meet with my company, i'll get back with you on them
[04:11] <ttyS0> sorry for disturbing again. but... "configure: error: Unable to locate libglade" i've installed libglade 2.0...but...may be it wasn't enought. is it possible to install it using apt-get?
[04:11] <netsniper> http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~gilpin/tutorial/
[04:12] <Vinh> netsniper: opps http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=229035#post229035 there you got, last page last post is me. 2 screenshots of my firefox surfing webpages there, as u can see fonts look yucky :(
[04:13] <pietro_spina> xxtreme: I'm in the forums... feel free to send me a message... hopefully they'll show you some pimped out UI hehehe
[04:13] <virgule> libglade-dev?
[04:13] <netsniper> Vinh, your pic is too small
[04:13] <budluva> anyone here use ubuntu?
[04:14] <virgule> or libglade2-dev?
[04:14] <xxtreme> pietro_spina> they better, cause Miami Beach is booming with construction
[04:14] <budluva> woops, wrong window
[04:14] <netsniper> Cherax, what services do you need  disable all you dont!  that's it
[04:14] <_0kills> my little bro is installing Ubuntu on his system right now, hes gonna be on here soon
[04:14] <Vinh> sniper: that link i posted should have 2 pics, clic on it for larger version
[04:14] <oofnik> to boot to runlevel 3 instead of 2, can i just type in 'kernel init 3' ?
[04:14] <netsniper> Vinh, they were both small
[04:14] <Derum> Im having Trouble playing AVI, WMA, WMV etc on my computer, I was wondering How I would be able to watch/listen to these types of files. The thing that I don't understand is that I have all the W32codecs and things of the sort, I even have MPLAYER but it just doesnt seem to work, can anyone help?
[04:15] <ookii> since i've just switched to ubuntu, i need to know the equivelancy of some windows programs, like what is the linux equivelant of dvd decrypter?
[04:15] <oofnik> Derum have you tried using xine and xmms?
[04:15] <_0kills> Derum, try VLC yet?
[04:15] <virgule> vlc
[04:15] <budluva> ookii, dvd::rip i think, i could be wrong
[04:15] <Vinh> netsniper: hmm even this http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=229035&postcount=68 ?
[04:15] <Derum> VLC whats that?
[04:15] <_0kills> a media player
[04:15] <virgule> mplayer-like app
[04:15] <Derum> Xine I haven't tried, and XMMS doesnt play any files but MP3
[04:15] <oofnik> is vlc gtk2.4?
[04:15] <_0kills> Derum, just do sudo apt-get install vlc and youre good to go
[04:16] <Derum> ok I will try that thank you
[04:16] <netsniper> Vinh, the first two had get argumetns of "thumb=1"
[04:16] <netsniper> you linked me to the thumbnails..
[04:16] <_0kills> Derum, and also, not always, but in some cases you will have to type: pkill esd for the sound to play in VLC
[04:16] <Vinh> netsniper: ohh sorry
[04:16] <pietro_spina> xxtreme: Isn't almost always though... Soo much  money flowing through that town
[04:16] <oofnik> guys how can i change my runlevel at boot
[04:16] <Derum> ok I will remember that
[04:17] <Derum> is there a way where I can place that to automatic?
[04:17] <oofnik> is it 'kernel runlevel n' ?
[04:17] <terry> hello can a real rank nebie ask questions here?
[04:17] <netsniper> Vinh, your fonts look fine -- whats wrong?
[04:17] <terry> newbie
[04:17] <oofnik> yeah terry go ahead and ask
[04:17] <netsniper> oofnik, init 3 ?
[04:17] <_0kills> terry, youve come to the right place
[04:17] <terry> hi
[04:17] <xxtreme> pietro_spina> yeah, so i hope we can make a deal, so i can promote that software here, if its any good
[04:17] <terry> I am lost
[04:17] <Derum> cool its working
[04:17] <Derum> thank you again
[04:17] <_0kills> np Derum
[04:17] <oofnik> netsniper, yeah i want runlevel 3 can i just type that at the grub prompt?
[04:17] <terry> can't even seem to change my theme
[04:17] <Cyber23> Need some help with ati drivers
[04:18] <oofnik> when i change the boot options and such
[04:18] <Cyber23> can anyone help
[04:18] <Derum> but like you said the sound isnt working
[04:18] <bob2> xxtreme: "promote"?
[04:18] <Derum> is there a way where I can get pkill esd to but automatic?
[04:18] <netsniper> oofnik, you mean you want it by default on very boot?
[04:18] <_0kills> Derum, in terminal type pkill esd
[04:18] <netsniper> every boot?
[04:18] <oofnik> no netsniper just once
[04:18] <bob2> Cyber23: you followed wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto, right?
[04:18] <_0kills> Derum, to turn esd back on just type esd
[04:18] <netsniper> oofnik, go into command line and type "init 3"
[04:18] <oofnik> i want to use runlevel 3 as a 'vnc server' mode
[04:19] <_0kills> Derum, i always turn esd off, its rarely ever on
[04:19] <oofnik> thanks netsniper i will go try that
[04:19] <terry> when i go to themes it lists several but when i select to install it asks me where it is .... not sure where to look
[04:19] <netsniper> oofnik, level 3 is single-user dude!
[04:19] <Vinh> netsniper: it does? even the overclockers.com.au screenshot? looks much clearer and ease on the eye when surfing on ie/firefox in windows
[04:19] <bob2> Derum: syste -> preferences -> sound -> "start sound server", disable it
[04:19] <bob2> netsniper: er, no, it's not
[04:19] <Derum> oh ok thanks again
[04:19] <bob2> netsniper: level 3 is identical to level 2.  which is identical to level 4.  which is identical to...5.
[04:20] <_0kills> terry, the install option is only for adding new themes
[04:20] <oofnik> yeah, i thought it's like init 1 = halt, then init 2 - 5, then 6 is reboot
[04:20] <bob2> 1 = single-user mode, 0 = halt.
[04:20] <_0kills> terry, to select different themes just click on one
[04:20] <oofnik> ah
[04:20] <oofnik> ok i'm going to try this
[04:20] <terry> why does it display seveal?
[04:20] <netsniper> that was dumb...why did i say that
[04:20] <oofnik> if x is not running locally, will XDMCP still run in a vnc server?
[04:21] <oofnik> haha netsniper it's all good
[04:21] <_0kills> terry, what do you mean?
[04:21] <terry> i have done that but it asks me to show it where the the files are
[04:21] <oofnik> terry are you trying to install a theme that you downloaded or what?
[04:22] <Ghete1> Ok here is a really hard question. i need a sega saturn emulator that will run the cd's, not isos or anything
[04:22] <netsniper> Ghete1, not gonna happen
[04:22] <Ghete1> oh come on!
[04:23] <resiak> Are they standard CDs?
[04:23] <Ghete1> im sure its out there somewhere
[04:23] <terry> well i tried to change my them from the default by selecting one in the theme preferences
[04:23] <oofnik> ehh.. anyone know if XDMCP will still run in a vnc server if it's not running locally
[04:23] <bob2> the logical first step would be to find out if there arew any sega saturn emulators for linux at all
[04:23] <Ghete1> yes they are
[04:23] <netsniper> Ghete1, go to Zophar's domain for some nice linux/win32 emus, but it wont run a CD directly
[04:23] <bob2> have you done that?
[04:23] <terry> but they don't install
[04:23] <resiak> Ghete1: Just tell them to use /dev/cdrom as the iso image
[04:23] <terry> it opens a box and asks for a location
[04:23] <Ghete1> let me look around for a few min
[04:24] <netsniper> Ghete1, i believe that Saturn had some special reader in the console
[04:24] <_0kills> ...terry, when you select a theme it asks for a location?
[04:24] <terry> yes
[04:24] <terry> but i have no idea where to look
[04:25] <terry> we are talking I'm lost
[04:25] <NeoGeo64> im in runlevel 7
[04:25] <bob2> there is no runlevel 7 in ubuntu
[04:25] <netsniper> Ghete1, http://www.zophar.net/unix/saturn.html
[04:25] <NeoGeo64> i made one
[04:25] <_0kills> my brother is installing Ubuntu, he has a wireless card, its asking for ESSID, any idea what that is?
[04:25] <oofnik> haha runlevel 7.. what did you go and do that for
[04:25] <bob2> _0kills: ... the ESSID of your access point
[04:25] <Ghete1> netsniper: yeah im there
[04:25] <oofnik> you have 3, 4, and 5 to mess with
[04:25] <NeoGeo64> runlevel 7 is windows xp
[04:26] <NeoGeo64> hahahahahahahha
[04:26] <NeoGeo64> heh
[04:26] <bob2> hilarious
[04:26] <oofnik> hah.. is that what you did
[04:26] <terry> oh i think i discovered
[04:26] <resiak> My runlevels go all the way up to 11, etc.
[04:26] <_0kills> bob2, how do i find that out?
[04:26] <NeoGeo64> i need a crack for ubuntu
[04:26] <NeoGeo64> anyone got a keygen for horay
[04:26] <terry> you just select and hit revert is that corect
[04:26] <bob2> _0kills: you don't know the name of your AP?
[04:26] <Ghete1> neogeo64: i can lend you a cd key if you want
[04:26] <oofnik> neogeo that doesn't even make sense
[04:26] <netsniper> _0kills, iwconfig
[04:26] <bob2> NeoGeo64: please stop being silly
[04:27] <terry> felling kinda silly now
[04:27] <NeoGeo64> the site im at is charging 9.99 to download ubuntu
[04:27] <terry> feeling
[04:27] <netsniper> bob2, are you a Ubuntu developer?
[04:27] <_0kills> bob2, sorry man, im a noob, i dont even know what an AP is
[04:27] <oofnik> then download it somewhere else? jeez it's linux
[04:27] <synd> ok i just put in a DVD drive.. and now what do i do to make sure its recognized and working correctly?
[04:28] <bob2> netsniper: depends how you define that.  I'm not paid to work on ubuntu, no.
[04:28] <Cherax> Action Points
[04:28] <synd> bob2: is anyone paid to work on ubuntu?
[04:28] <_0kills> hehe
[04:28] <HrdwrBoB> synd: yes
[04:28] <bob2> NeoGeo64: then go to releases.ubuntu.com to download it for free
[04:28] <bob2> synd: yes
[04:28] <synd> didnt know twhat
[04:28] <terry> thanks boys i will be back
[04:28] <bob2> _0kills: access point
[04:28] <ajmitch> there are a few people who are paid for that
[04:28] <oofnik> ubuntu rocks too much to be completely free for the developers :)
[04:28] <ajmitch> and quite a few more who work on it as volunteers
[04:28] <netsniper> synd, System -> Administration -> Device Manager
[04:28] <_0kills> bob2, is there a to check for it?
[04:29] <_0kills> is there a way*
[04:29] <bob2> _0kills: nevermind then, if it was your acess point, you'd know it
[04:29] <bob2> leave it blank
[04:29] <oofnik> i'm going to try my init 3 i'll be back in a bit
[04:29] <netsniper> may be linksys
[04:29] <bob2> among the volunteers is the lovely ajmitch!
[04:30] <_0kills> bob2, then we will have to set it up after the install?
[04:30] <bob2> if you don't know the essid, then it's presumably not your AP
[04:30] <netsniper> Vinh, i think your fonts look great!  no problems i see there
[04:31] <netsniper> bob2, linksys default ssid is "linksys"
[04:31] <ajmitch> bob2: lovely? there must be something in the water over there..
[04:31] <Varanger> crimsun: are you here?
[04:31] <bob2> netsniper: yes, I know
[04:31] <_0kills> k, thanks, is there a man on essid and AP so i can learn what they are, because those are new to me
[04:32] <Varanger> netsniper: I changed it to dlink :)
[04:32] <bob2> no, there's not
[04:32] <netsniper> netsniper, my SSID here is FUCKYOU!, to tell those wiley hackers to get lost
[04:32] <Varanger> _0kills: what do you need?
[04:32] <Vinh> netsniper: k
[04:32] <_0kills> Varanger, just information, i have no idea what an ESSID is
[04:33] <drfer57> eesid and ap are wireless terms
[04:33] <Varanger> netsniper: I used to have a neighbour that has a dl speed more than 10 times mine....
[04:33] <netsniper> what is the difference between using the temrs essid and ssid?
[04:33] <drfer57> netsniper - shame on you
[04:34] <nalioth> _0kills: AP could be "access point"
[04:34] <Varanger> _0kills: Every wireless network has a name or "ESSID"
[04:34] <_0kills> bob2, Varanger, so without setting the ESSID will his internet work?
[04:34] <Vinh> [1] +  Stopped                 ftp <-- does that mean i can resume it again?
[04:34] <_0kills> if not, how can we set it up?
[04:34] <bob2> _0kills: no, not at all
[04:34] <netsniper> _0kills, you can set the essid to "ANY" and it will put up the one with best strength
[04:35] <netsniper> bob2, yes "ANY" will fix it
[04:35] <jnc> err... any good reason that NFS would disconnect constantly on autofs?
[04:35] <jnc> this is like a recent thing that's happening
[04:35] <jnc> i don't know where to track down the trouble
[04:35] <bob2> which is not the same as "without setting the ESSID"
[04:35] <netsniper> Vinh, yes, hit "fg"
[04:35] <netsniper> bob2, "ANY" is set by default
[04:36] <davidmccabe> Hey folks,
[04:36] <Vinh> netsniper: thanks
[04:36] <davidmccabe> When the root account is disabled, does root's crontab work?
[04:36] <bob2> davidmccabe: yes
[04:37] <davidmccabe> thanks!
[04:37] <netsniper> bob2, what do you do for a living?
[04:37] <Varanger> am I wrong or alsa-project.org is down ?
[04:37] <bob2> I'm a programmer
[04:38] <netsniper> for whom may i ask?
[04:38] <bob2> www.canonical.com
[04:38] <netsniper> but you said you were not paid?
[04:38] <TokenBad> what is the tmpfs that is listed when you do df -h?
[04:38] <atholas> Does apt-listbugs work for Ubuntu?
[04:38] <jnc> Varanger: looks accurate what you are saying
[04:38] <bob2> netsniper: I said I wasn;t paid to work on ubuntu
[04:38] <jnc> Varanger: i cannot access the website on www.alsa-project.org
[04:39] <netsniper> TokenBad, that is your temporary file system storage
[04:39] <bob2> atholas: no, it doesn't talk to launchpad or bugzilla
[04:39] <Varanger> jnc: me too :( I need to download the sources!
[04:39] <TokenBad> its like 500 megs
[04:39] <netsniper> bob2, you are quite vague sometimes -- what are you paid to work on?
[04:39] <atholas> bob2: is there an equivalent of that in Ubuntu then?
[04:39] <xxtreme> bob2 =  u  r  DUDE of the year.
[04:39] <jnc> Varanger: Varanger try http://ftp.pl.debian.org/mirror/ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/
[04:39] <synd> lmao
[04:39] <bob2> netsniper: eh? bazaar.canonical.com.
[04:40] <bob2> atholas: no
[04:40] <xxtreme> bob2= thanks for taking the time to help us
[04:40] <atholas> bob2: thanks.
[04:40] <jnc> and the fish are tasty
[04:40] <jnc> thanks for the fish
[04:40] <nalioth> netsniper: be careful...too many questions and bob2 will have to kill you
[04:41] <jnc> do your worst
[04:41] <TokenBad> netsniper, is there a way to clear it..or should i even try to?
[04:41] <Varanger> jnc: thx .... I have some issues with alsa... can you help me ?
[04:41] <jnc> Wham Bam Fryin' Pan!
[04:41] <netsniper> TokenBad, do you need to?
[04:41] <jnc> bad david bowie reference
[04:41] <jnc> do'oh
[04:41] <netsniper> TokenBad, it gets cleaned on boot
[04:41] <TokenBad> oh ok
[04:42] <toddmc> anyone have any experience getting Wireless working?
[04:42] <toddmc> anyone have any experience getting Wireless working?
[04:42] <netsniper> nalioth, i work for the NSA -- dont fsck with my file systems
[04:42] <bob2> toddmc: no need to repeat
[04:42] <netsniper> toddmc, yes, what chipset you have?
[04:42] <nalioth> netsniper: i will leave that to windoze
[04:42] <toddmc> ok
[04:42] <toddmc> ok
[04:42] <toddmc> j/k
[04:43] <nalioth> toddmc: keyboard dysfunction?
[04:43] <zip> how do i take a screenshot in Xfce?
[04:43] <jnc> Varanger: i could attempt to help, in exchange for your patronage
[04:43] <synd> zip: press the print screen button
[04:43] <Varanger> jnc: patronage? what do you mean?
[04:43] <zip> synd: macintosh
[04:43] <jnc> see snotice
[04:43] <synd> zip: ah
[04:43] <toddmc> i can activate the wireless card eth1
[04:44] <toddmc> but i never get an IP address
[04:44] <quam> toddmc, what kind of wireless adapter are you using?
[04:45] <toddmc> i show 85% signal strength on the Connection Properties for eth1
[04:45] <zip> so.. any idea how to take a screenshot in Xfce if you don't have a print screen key? Xfce doesnt' seem to have a keyboard configuration program like Gnome does
[04:45] <concept10> what config file sets boot up screen resolution?
[04:45] <bob2> zip: install imagemagick, run "import -root ~/screenshot.png"
[04:45] <toddmc> i think its orninco....
[04:46] <bob2> concept10: none, really.  if you mean the console, you can modify that by passing the kernel command line arguments.
[04:46] <toddmc> it works fine in fedora core
[04:46] <zip> bob2: no way without installing something then? =\
[04:46] <bob2> toddmc: you've disabled WPA and WEP on the access point, right?
[04:46] <toddmc> yeah
[04:46] <bob2> zip: of course there is
[04:46] <toddmc> its wide open
[04:46] <redir> toddmc, did you assign it it's ssid?
[04:46] <bob2> zip: gimp is another way
[04:46] <toddmc> yeah - tried that too
[04:47] <concept10> bob2, it always starts with some 12xx X some ungodly number with alot of lines.
[04:47] <zip> bob2: i'm trying to get something like gnome's nifty Take Screenshot option =p
[04:47] <toddmc> yes
[04:47] <johan> is there a way to get my printer working with 64-bits
[04:47] <johan> the cie does not provide the drivers
[04:47] <nalioth> zip: have you searched synaptic for "screenshot"?
[04:47] <toddmc> unless its case sensative then yes
[04:48] <jnc> johan: i've got ubuntu linux on amd64
[04:48] <johan> me too
[04:48] <zip> nalioth: trying to figure out how it's done in Xfce but.. maybe it just can't be =\
[04:48] <jnc> johan: printing works here sometimes, depending on the Breezy updates that are borked and what not
[04:48] <johan> eeeh
[04:48] <toddmc> HOLY SHIT
[04:48] <toddmc> that was it...
[04:48] <toddmc> its case sensative??????????
[04:48] <toddmc> WTF?
[04:49] <nalioth> zip: all your utilitys can be run in xfce
[04:49] <nalioth> zip: they just look funny
[04:49] <bob2> zip: then complain to the xfce4 developers
[04:49] <toddmc> did you all know that?
[04:49] <zip> nalioth: if i knew the name of the program gnome uses to take screenshots i'd use it ;P
[04:50] <frequency> havin' trouble watching movies on my DVD drive..  keeps telling me it "can't read from device"
[04:50] <zyth> frequency, did you install the restricted formats stuff for DVDs?
[04:50] <zyth> !restricted
[04:50] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:50] <brade> question:  is there a way to give my user account root access to the system?
[04:50] <frequency> y'know, that's a good question..
[04:50] <matjan_> is it difficult to set up things for a scsi scanner?
[04:50] <nalioth> zip: search packages.ubuntu.com or your local synaptic
[04:51] <quam> brade: sudo command  if in a terminal, or gksudo if you do applications >> run
[04:51] <zyth> frequency, goto that url ubotu just posted
[04:51] <frequency> roger that.. on it now
[04:51] <davidmccabe> bob2: so if I drop a crontab file in /etc/cron.d, will attention be payed to it?
[04:52] <hidura> i need help with a upgrade
[04:52] <toddmc_> bob2: did you know that the ssid was case senstive?
[04:52] <brade> quam:  other than that is there no way to give myself root access so that i have total control via the gui?
[04:52] <matjan_> i'm thinking of buying a polaroid sprintscan...
[04:52] <bob2> toddmc_: I would have assumed so
[04:52] <Davey> ANyone know of a winmerge type app for Gnome?
[04:52] <bob2> davidmccabe: should do
[04:52] <toddmc_> well poop...
[04:52] <toddmc_> you live you learn
[04:52] <jnc> didn't know polaroid was still in business
[04:52] <davidmccabe> bob2: ok. thanks again.
[04:52] <toddmc_> thanks for the time..
[04:52] <matjan_> jnc:  hehe
[04:52] <toddmc_> pe a  c  e   o    u      t
[04:52] <matjan_> i'm looking on ebay
[04:53] <jnc> i didn't quite mean that to be funny
[04:53] <quam> t brade sure, sudo passwd root, set a password for root and then you'll be able to log in. to login to gnome with root, you'll need to system >> administration >> login screen setup and tell it to let root login
[04:53] <quam> ignore the t :P
[04:53] <brade> frequency:  ive got ubuntu running on a pretty old system with a dvd drive.  i followed the instructions on the link you were just given and everything works wonderfully.  one thing you may need to do is enable dma access
[04:53] <jnc> i'm serious.  who needs snap shake wait and smudge when you have digital picture
[04:53] <matjan_> jnc: right...
[04:53] <frequency> excellent, thank you..
[04:53] <frequency> i'm gonna run through it right now and report back to let you know if it worked
[04:53] <matjan_> jnc: film photography still produces higher res pics
[04:53] <xxtreme> jnc. lmao, ur right
[04:54] <matjan_> unless you want to pay $8000 for a camera
[04:54] <jnc> matjan_: not anymore, not with the favon x3
[04:54] <jnc> okay
[04:54] <jnc> that's fair enough
[04:54] <brade> quam:  yeah i have that set up.  what i would like to do is give my account "user" the same control that the root user has.  ive tried adding myself to the root group but it doesnt seem to do anything...
[04:54] <quam> brade: oh :P
[04:55] <hidura> somebody can helpme??? please
[04:55] <nalioth> brade: ubuntu is really not set up for that type of operation
[04:55] <zyth> brade, so basically, you want to ignore the point of not running a system as root and run in a very insecure method?
[04:55] <matjan_> jnc: anyways, do you have experience with scsi scanners?
[04:55] <matjan_> under linux, that is?
[04:56] <jnc> matjan_: yes, horrible things
[04:56] <brade> yeah, didnt seam that it was.  and yes i do want to run in a very insecure method.  i love being in the drivers seat :P
[04:56] <pietro_spina> brade: HOWTO: Easily open any file as root via drag & drop http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24008
[04:56] <zyth> brade, ummm....
[04:56] <zyth> :/
[04:56] <matjan_> jnc: what's the trouble?
[04:56] <brade> haha thanks pietro
[04:57] <brade> zyth:  i know, i know
[04:57] <jnc> matjan_: oh, just unstable scsi troubles with Ubuntu Breezy and amd64
[04:57] <jnc> nothing i have any right to complain about you see
[04:57] <jnc> ;)
[04:57] <matjan_> jnc: right... is that a flatbed scanner?
[04:57] <hidura> i cant upgrade somes packeges the apt say to me somes packeges are broken what i can do in this case
[04:57] <jnc> yep
[04:58] <matjan_> ok, the sprintscan is a negative/dia scanner
[04:59] <hidura> hey nobody can helpme ????????????????>
[04:59] <hidura> i cant upgrade somes packeges the apt say to me somes packeges are broken what i can do in this case
[04:59] <zyth> hidura, do you by chance have backports in your sources.list
[05:00] <matjan_> jnc: so it was just that you didn't get the scsi-card configured correctly?
[05:00] <ep> Earlier today i did apt-get kubuntu-desktop and ran into this konquer bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8009
[05:00] <jnc> matjan_: i don't know, it stops working and i don't have time to mess with it
[05:01] <virgule> hidura: sudo dpkg -C  and  sudo apt-get -f install   ?
[05:01] <ep> I'm trying to solve this and someone said It might be fixed in KDE 3.4.1 -- can anyone tell me what version kubutu-desktop installed earlier today (I've since reinstalled due to the bug)
[05:01] <matjan_> jnc: ok, but it should work, right? (no offense)
[05:01] <unome> ep, in a terminal type: kdesktop --version
[05:02] <jnc> matjan_: i don't know.  it's worked once or twice
[05:02] <jnc> matjan_: fax and scan support in Ubuntu isn't as slick as it "should" be IMO
[05:02] <jnc> the distro is relatively new and tackling a unique segment of users
[05:02] <jnc> i don't blame the distro
[05:02] <jnc> it's just the way it is
[05:03] <matjan_> i get it
[05:03] <unome> it's all about perception
[05:03] <matjan_> does that mean that you got it to work properly in other distros?
[05:03] <jnc> yes
[05:03] <matjan_> for instance?
[05:03] <ep> unome kdesktop is not a command?
[05:03] <jnc> works fine if i spent a lot of time customizing software and compiling from scratch exactly the tools i needed
[05:04] <matjan_> wow
[05:04] <jnc> i just don't spend that kind of time on my Ubuntu box
[05:04] <unome> ep: you sure you are on Kubuntu?
[05:04] <matjan_> i'm too newbie for that
[05:05] <ep> no i'm on ubuntu  now i cant run kde due to the bug
[05:05] <unome> what bug?
[05:05] <bob2> I'd be very very surprised if you had to compile anything to get a SCSI scanner to work.
[05:05] <ep> Earlier today i did apt-get kubuntu-desktop and ran into this konquer bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8009
[05:06] <matjan_> bob2: you have experience with it?
[05:06] <bob2> no
[05:06] <ep> konquer segfaults alot and sometimes shows double files!  (you dont even have to be drinking)
[05:06] <matjan_> or any scsi?
[05:06] <hondje> ep: when it segfaults, grab a core and submit it as a bug, they like core dumps
[05:07] <xxtreme> ep= i ran into the same problem, so i uninstalled that, and synaptic kdebas3.4 and went from there
[05:07] <Derum> How do I view videos embedded on MOZILLA FIREFOX, because even though I have realplayer installed on my computer it doesnt seem to want to play
[05:07] <xxtreme> ep= now mine is working
[05:07] <HrdwrBoB> bob2: yeah assuming it's supported it should work
[05:07] <hondje> Derum: mozilla mplayer plugin
[05:07] <Derum> I dont have MPLAYER
[05:07] <hidura> helpme
[05:07] <hidura> the apt putme this expeption when i try to upgrade the system some packeges will be back
[05:07] <Derum> it doesnt want to work on my computer
[05:07] <Derum> so I use either Xine or VCL
[05:07] <bob2> Derum: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:08] <bob2> hidura: so, paste the error to #flood
[05:08] <zip> any suggestions to get XMMS(and any other mp3 player for that matter) to stop skipping when i'm doing other stuff? i've already increased the buffer size for OSSL
[05:08] <abbot45> ok, some moron posted some mario brothers cartoons on the usenet in a disc image format (.mdf) that was made to be used with Alcohol 120% for windows.  is there any way i can get to these files?  i cant get these programs to work in Wine.
[05:08] <hidura> ok
[05:08] <ep> sorry i'm 1 day old -- does "synattic kdebas3.4" mean install kde 3.4.1 without kubuntu-desktop (just kde core and addons)?
[05:09] <calc> abbot45: that would involve helping to promote copyright violations, so no
[05:09] <unome> ep: add deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main to your source.list > apt-get update > apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:09] <frequency> zyth: that solved my DVD problem, bud..  thanks a lot!
[05:09] <xxtreme> ep-yeah, and you have to install different things, example kontact and more
[05:09] <ep> xxtrem do i need universal sources, how do i do the same?
[05:09] <zyth> frequency, np man
[05:09] <abbot45> hahaha.  these cartoons are old, arent they in the public domain?  haha.
[05:09] <xxtreme> ep, worked for me
[05:10] <riffic> zip: have you enabled dma on your drives?
[05:10] <bob2> abbot45: no
[05:10] <zip> riffic: my drive appears to be Ultra DMA 2
[05:10] <abbot45> i know they arent.  i was kidding.
[05:10] <ep> thats what i intuitively wanted to try to do -- but i didn't know how
[05:10] <virgule> :selftest:
[05:10] <riffic> what does hdparm say?
[05:10] <calc> abbot45: nothing since 1920 is public domain
[05:10] <hondje> zip: sudo hdparm -d /dev/dvd
[05:10] <riffic> thats the only thing I can think of though
[05:10] <calc> abbot45: at least almost nothing anyway
[05:10] <virgule> anyone: ping me plz..
[05:10] <abbot45> i know.  i was kidding.
[05:10] <nalioth> unome: what is the diff tween the kubuntu repo nad the standard ones?
[05:10] <ugo> virgule: ping!
[05:11] <zip> riffic: didn't know about that one, i was useing dmesg, checking now
[05:11] <unome> nalioth 3.4.1
[05:11] <virgule> pong!
[05:11] <riffic> oh okay
[05:11] <abbot45> i just want to punch this dude for assuming that everyone on the usenet uses windows.
[05:11] <pietro_spina> Derum: HOWTO: Totem embeded with mozplugger  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17727
[05:11] <nalioth> unome: ah, the new hotness
[05:11] <riffic> yeah try hdparm /dev/hda or whatever device your files are being loaded from
[05:11] <ugo> abbbot45: but everyone uses windows
[05:11] <nalioth> unome: wonder if it'd work on my ancient ibook.. ..
[05:11] <zip> k
[05:11] <rodrigo> una pretunta
[05:11] <riffic> has there been any recent package upload activity to breezy ?
[05:12] <zip> it is using dma
[05:12] <hondje> hdparm -d /dev/foo tells you if dma is on, hdparm -d1 /dev/foo turns it on
[05:12] <rodrigo> por q dice no se puede entrar
[05:12] <rodrigo> denegado .,
[05:12] <unome> nalioth, kde 3.4.1 is less buggy
[05:12] <riffic> i haven't had anything in apt-get update/upgrade in a few days
[05:12] <budluva> anyone had problems with xmms and alsa mp3 playback with a 2.6.10-5-386 kernel?
[05:12] <zyth> abbot45, I'd say the majority of usenet does NOT use windows
[05:12] <bob2> riffic: http://lists.ubuntu.com/, look at the -changes list archives
[05:12] <nalioth> unome: are you using it?
[05:12] <hondje> rodrigo: se hablan espanol en #ubuntu-es
[05:12] <unome> nalioth yes
[05:13] <zip> DMA is already on though
[05:13] <riffic> oh cool thanks bob
[05:13] <nalioth> unome: i'll bite
[05:13] <unome> good luck
[05:13] <abbot45> zyth, THATS WHAT I MEAN.  why would this guy post all these cartoons in a format that can only be opened by a windows program.
[05:13] <nalioth> unome: do i need it?
[05:13] <unome> nalioth need it? no
[05:13] <zyth> abbot45, got a valid windows license?
[05:13] <zyth> abbot45, installed qemu... install the program... open cd... convert ;)
[05:14] <nalioth> abbot45: what format was that? wmv9?
[05:14] <frequency> ok, DVD drive works..  but it's a little choppy..  that means i need to activate DMA for the drive, right?
[05:14] <ajmitch> riffic: plenty of uploads happening still
[05:14] <CANTIK> I
[05:14] <hondje> frequency: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdwhatever
[05:15] <abbot45> nalioth, its .mdf.  i looked it up.  its a disc image used by the Alcohol 120% burning program.
[05:15] <frequency> you guys rock.. thank you so much..
[05:15] <_0kills> ok, ive just installed Ubuntu on my brother's computer.. now we need to set up his wireless card... i typed iwconfig and it listed the card.. where do i go from here?
[05:15] <nalioth> abbot45: yes that suX0rs, but it can be converted
[05:15] <xxtreme> ep= everything ok so far?
[05:16] <_0kills> can anyone help me with that?
[05:16] <ep> xxtreme got a phone call, i getting right on it:) Thanks!
[05:16] <zyth> !wireless
[05:16] <ubotu> well, wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[05:16] <xxtreme> ep= no worries
[05:17] <rcec52> I need some help. .. what do I have to reinstall to get my sound working again on Kubuntu? I've got an AC97 codec on-board chip on the motherboard.
[05:18] <KillerSmurf> hello all.... anyone here know anything about wacom?
[05:18] <zip> are there any decent M client options besdies GAIM that support both AIM and MSN?
[05:18] <jbroome> _0kills: look in System > Administration > Networking to configure your NICs
[05:19] <zyth> zip, Kopete, Miranda IM
[05:19] <zip> zyth: isn't miranda only for Windows?
[05:20] <zyth> umm I didn't think it was, but I could be wrong
[05:20] <KillerSmurf> hello all.... anyone here know anything about wacom?
[05:20] <Derum> Realplayer doesnt want to work for my system I installed it via "sudo apt-get install realplayer" and though it says that it installed the program itself doesn't pop up or work
[05:21] <Derum> what should I do?
[05:21] <rcec52> Try Mplayer
[05:21] <Derum> Mplayer doesnt work on my machine for some odd reason
[05:21] <abbot45> you have to download the linux version of real player from www.real.com.  its an executable bin file that will install it for you.
[05:22] <BinaryHelix> What is the slowest processor I can have to still run Ubuntu with xfce (the gui)
[05:22] <SiKee> Im running it on a pII 300 and it runs just fine
[05:22] <abbot45> well, you dont have to, you can open real media files in like MPlayer or Totem.  but the official works the best usualy.
[05:22] <Derum> k abbot45 thanks
[05:22] <nalioth> wow 147 updates
[05:22] <rcec52> Anyone have any idea's about getting sound to work again with AC97 codec?
[05:22] <nalioth> unome: you are driving up my bandwidth bill
[05:22] <KillerSmurf> anyone here know anything about wacom? namely wacomcpl
[05:22] <xxtreme> BinaryHelix> im running my home machine, its a P2 with 128mb, works fine
[05:23] <unome> nalioth pardon?
[05:23] <SiKee> Derum, try running realplay from an xterm and see if any errors come up
[05:23] <nalioth>  unome just joshin ya
[05:23] <budluva> rcec52, im having problems playing mp3s with ac97 and alsa
[05:23] <BinaryHelix> xxtreme: can you run torrents with that setup?
[05:23] <unome> =)
[05:23] <budluva> rcec52, actually, its trying to play anything, i have no sound at all
[05:23] <xxtreme> BinaryHelix> oh yeah............
[05:23] <Derum> Sikee, it doesnt say anything just stays blank
[05:24] <nalioth> !sound
[05:24] <ubotu> nalioth: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[05:24] <nalioth> stupid bot
[05:24] <budluva> !alsa
[05:24] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, budluva
[05:24] <BinaryHelix> !alsa
[05:24] <rcec52> My sound use to work when I was running Ubuntu 'Gnome' but wanted to get KDE to work. . . that's when the problem started.  .
[05:24] <xxtreme> BinaryHelix> what you thinking of running it on?
[05:24] <budluva> rcec52, did it work right from your installation? or did you have to tweak to get it to work?
[05:25] <BinaryHelix> xxtreme: the least expensive laptop I can find
[05:25] <rcec52> Worked from the initial installation of Gnome. ...
[05:25] <nalioth> budluva: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[05:25] <_0kills> ubotu, i looked up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards and all it said is that the card works great, doesnt give me any more information
[05:25] <ubotu> _0kills: I think you lost me on that one
[05:25] <budluva> nalioth, thanks
[05:25] <nalioth> BinaryHelix: you in the market?
[05:25] <xxtreme> BinaryHelix> get a ibm T22, there cheap and great for linux
[05:26] <xxtreme> BinaryHelix> or T21
[05:26] <BinaryHelix> nalioth: xxtreme: not until sometime next month when I can get the money
[05:26] <nalioth> BinaryHelix: you hardware agnostic?
[05:26] <_0kills> ...
[05:26] <jbroome> OMG i'm on a t21 now. :)
[05:26] <rcec52> Kubuntu has a few bugs. .. for instance. ..my Wifi card would install then it lock up and I couldn't reinstall the initial menu settings so I went to Gnome then back to KDE. Now the Wifi works fine. . . .
[05:27] <KillerSmurf> anyone here know anything about wacom? namely wacomcpl
[05:27] <BinaryHelix> nalioth: ... explain.
[05:27] <nalioth> BinaryHelix: you can get a long-lasting well-made laptop for a very inexpensive price at my favorite place
[05:27] <jbroome> Back of the van in an alley? :)
[05:27] <nalioth> BinaryHelix: www.apple.com/store   (look for the red 'sale' tag at the bottom right)
[05:27] <BinaryHelix> xxtreme: what kind of prices were thinking?
[05:27] <rcec52> Anyone running a 64 bit Amd with this software?
[05:28] <nalioth> jbroome: nah, thats my neighbors
[05:28] <netsniper> apple is cheap hardware and way overpriced...
[05:28] <nalioth> rcec52: not me, but whats your question?
[05:28] <xxtreme>  BinaryHelix> u can find under $500, easy
[05:28] <netsniper> rcec52, i have ammd64 -- but not running ubuntu64
[05:28] <nalioth> netsniper: yes it is cheap (but they use very good glue)
[05:28] <rcec52> None really. . . I was wondering how up to date and bugfree it is. . . .
[05:28] <jbroome> to be the complete devils' advocate, i have a PB and a TP.
[05:28] <crimsun> penut better?
[05:28] <crimsun> peanut^
[05:29] <nalioth> jbroome: toilet paper?
[05:29] <jbroome> shush you
[05:29] <crimsun> :P
[05:29] <xxtreme>  BinaryHelix> wait let me check
[05:29] <jbroome> thinkpad, powerbook
[05:29] <nalioth> ah TP = thinkbook
[05:29] <jbroome> powerpad?
[05:29] <nalioth> jbroome: what kind of TP?
[05:30] <netsniper> ...fir my bunghole
[05:30] <Redwraith> hey all
[05:30] <jbroome> nalioth: T21
[05:30] <netsniper> hey you
[05:30] <rcec52> I've been running Suse 9.3, Kubuntu, Ubuntu, Mepis, Linspire and have tried to get Gentoo, FreeBSD, and installed but couldn't get Debian to work with my WiFi card. . ..
[05:30] <Redwraith> anyone know how to get my sound card to work with esd so i can use amarok
[05:30] <Redwraith> or just get amarok working?
[05:30] <nalioth> jbroome: that run ubuntu ok? does it have builtin wifi?
[05:31] <nalioth> Redwraith: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[05:31] <Redwraith> ty
[05:31] <jbroome> nalioth: running ubuntu a-ok right now.. doesn't have built-in wifi.
[05:31] <rcec52> Anyone here try Mepis?
[05:31] <KillerSmurf> does anyone know where the wacomcpl setting are stored?
[05:31] <jbroome> it's a p3 800, so it's time was before te builin
[05:31] <KillerSmurf> rcec I did
[05:31] <rcec52> What ya think of it?
[05:31] <xxtreme>  BinaryHelix> $489 at tigerdirect.com TP T22
[05:31] <nalioth> rcec52: i used to mepis it, b4 ubuntu showed up
[05:32] <KillerSmurf> I liked it but I like ubuntu better
[05:32] <nalioth> y'all think the modern TPs built in wifi works with ubuntu?
[05:32] <Redwraith> hmm nalioth that doesnt help
[05:32] <jbroome> nalioth: my boss is running ubuntu on a brand new T42 and it works great
[05:32] <netsniper> nalioth, i know they do -- i have a t30
[05:32] <rcec52> I'm having mixed feeling. ...I think maybe when 'Breezy' comes out Kubuntu will be better. . . But I feel Mepis now is alittle ahead with the software. . .
[05:33] <KillerSmurf> anyone know ANYTHING about wacomcpl...?
[05:33] <nalioth> well then....add that to my wish list
[05:33] <BinaryHelix> thanks guys
[05:33] <nalioth> rcec52: kde 3.4.1?
[05:33] <jbroome> KillerSmurf: i do not
[05:33] <Redwraith> any other ideas?
[05:34] <rcec52> Yes, I have 3.4.1 I believe  installed with Mepis. . .  .
[05:34] <KillerSmurf> rcec I think that when I tried 3.1 it was ok but nothing that knocked my soxs off
[05:34] <KillerSmurf> Thanks jbroome
[05:34] <netsniper> Kubuntu Hoary was crap due to the bugs when doing an update, whichbasically forced you to run a custom script to repair thins
[05:34] <Redwraith> the card is a soundblaster live
[05:34] <budluva> can someone help me with a bittorrent question? im running a windows machine and my ubuntu box, with firestarter as my firewall using internet connection sharing, i have my windows machine setup with azureus using port 49153 and i've add my port forwarding rule for this port/machine and i do a NAT test with azureus and it says OK! but i get NAT errors when doing the same test on my ubuntu machine using azureus on port 49154, do i have
[05:34] <budluva>  to port forward for my ubuntu machine aswell?
[05:34] <Redwraith> nothing but alsa works in xmms.. no ubuntu sounds nothing
[05:34] <nalioth> rcec52: so do we
[05:35] <rcec52> Don't get me wrong I think Ubuntu is pretty darn stable and Gnome is a good desktop to run. . .
[05:35] <nalioth> budluva: yes
[05:35] <Amaranth> Redwraith: So run System->Preferences->Multimedia Systems Selector and tell it to use alsa
[05:35] <budluva> nalioth, what ip do i forward it to? i've tried localhost and i still get nat error
[05:35] <Redwraith> amarok still wont play
[05:35] <Redwraith> :|
[05:36] <Amaranth> does amarok use gstreamer?
[05:36] <Redwraith> it can
[05:36] <Amaranth> tell it to
[05:36] <Redwraith> but i was trying to configure it with xine
[05:36] <nalioth> budluva: i'm not up on port forwarding, but any machine behind a firewall needs to see out
[05:36] <Redwraith> should my sound card work with esd?
[05:36] <Amaranth> or get a GNOME player like rhythmbox or muine to go with your GNOME desktop
[05:36] <Redwraith> i guess i could
[05:36] <Redwraith> i want something that works with an ipod
[05:37] <xxtreme> budluva, you need to make a rule in firestarter, for bittorrent
[05:37] <netsniper> Redwraith, rythmbox does
[05:37] <_0kills> jbroome, still there?
[05:37] <jbroome> yeah
[05:37] <Redwraith> alright.. well lets solve hte gnome sound problem
[05:37] <netsniper> Redwraith, you cna also grab gtkpod
[05:37] <Redwraith> multimedia selector i test anyof them and none of them work
[05:37] <rcec52> I'm wishing some of these OS's will make some of the newer unknown packages part of their software repositories. ...Anyone know of 'HUGIN'? or 'SKY CHARTS'?
[05:37] <Redwraith> alsa, esd
[05:37] <Redwraith> none
[05:38] <_0kills> i went to system> administration> networking and no window would come up
[05:38] <Redwraith> but xmms plays
[05:38] <KillerSmurf> anyone know ANYTHING about wacomcpl...?
[05:38] <budluva> ya, i have port 49153 forwarded to 49153 for ip 192.168.0.2 (windows machine) and i have port 49154 forwarded to 49154 for ip localhost (ubuntu machine) xp machine works fine, but i get a nat error on my ubuntu machine
[05:38] <netsniper> KillerSmurf, http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/howto/wacomcpl
[05:38] <nalioth> budluva: can you open it all up to your ubuntu machine?
[05:39] <Redwraith> netsniper: any idea?
[05:39] <budluva> nalioth, can 2 machines share the same azureus port?
[05:39] <Redwraith> failed to construct test pipeline
[05:39] <ep> Ok, Im back -- I added respositories exactly as outlined on the unoffical ubuntu 5.04 starting guide.  I hope this is ok.
[05:39] <jbroome> _0kills: did it ask for your password?
[05:39] <nalioth> budluva: i'm not sure of your setup. do you have a gateway machine, a router + 2 machines or what?
[05:40] <netsniper> Redwraith, maybe it is using OSS
[05:40] <nalioth> ep: was that the ubuntuguide?
[05:40] <_0kills> jbroome, nope, it says in the window list: Starting Networking.. but then it just stops and nothing happens
[05:40] <Redwraith> that doesnt work either
[05:40] <budluva> 2 machines, using ubuntu as my gateway/firewall, my ubuntu box has 2 nics, eth0 INET and eth1 LAN
[05:40] <ep> nalioth, i did this: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#extrarepositories
[05:40] <Redwraith> netsniper: isnt using it either
[05:40] <nalioth> ep put on the brakes
[05:41] <ep> shucks:
[05:41] <nalioth> ep: ubuntuguide is not correct and will lead you into heartbreak
[05:41] <nalioths_dog> ep: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[05:42] <ep>  Opps i already did update -- but  I can reinstall :-)   This is pretty fresh
[05:42] <nalioth> ep: see that URL
[05:42] <nalioth> ep: you havent done anything bad ... yet
[05:42] <nalioth> ep: but backports/marillat can cause your system to not upgrade properly
[05:42] <nalioth> ep: no need to reinstall, just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:43] <_0kills> you guys know if there is any reason the Networking window wont appear (when i click System> Administration> Networking it doesnt load).. should i reinstall Ubuntu?
[05:43] <nalioth> budluva: open your ubuntu machine completely up to the world
[05:43] <Expell> anyone knows any billing client/server for internet cafe use?? thanks before
[05:43] <nalioth> budluva: crank down on the windows box as much as you like
[05:43] <ep> ok like i said, i ran update already --- so edit it by commenting out the two backport lines?
[05:43] <nalioth> ep: yes that is fine (and any marillat lines, too)
[05:43] <ep> ok
[05:44] <nalioth> ep: and while you're there, enable your deb-src lines
[05:44] <ep> ok
[05:44] <_0kills> anyone, please?
[05:44] <IceDC571> wow.. we've got our own ubuntu pasting website now?
[05:44] <IceDC571> interesting
[05:44] <rcec52> What's the reason that Kubunt and Ubuntu repositories are slow to update to the lastest files for some apps. . .
[05:44] <sabbath> how do you untar a tar.bz2 ?
[05:44] <Redwraith> alright, anyone know WHY the sound isnt working?
[05:45] <nalioth> rcec52: they are being pkgd by ubuntu devs
[05:45] <IceDC571> rcec52, um.. ive found it to have the latest apps everytime i check it
[05:45] <nalioth> sabbath: tar xvjf file.tar.bz2
[05:45] <sabbath> thanks
[05:45] <rcec52> For instance ClamAv is an old outdated version and they haven't updated it in the repositories. . .
[05:46] <rcec52> Firefox has a version number problem according to Mozilla website. .. .
[05:46] <nalioth> rcec52: ours does not
[05:47] <IceDC571> its only outdated by one version number down
[05:47] <rcec52> Ours does not what?
[05:47] <nalioth> rcec52: ours is 1.0.2 with the security patches rolled into it (from 1.0.4)
[05:47] <rcec52> Have you tried to install any of the new attachment files for Firefox?
[05:47] <IceDC571> it should automatically update to 1.0.4 when you update apt-get
[05:47] <IceDC571> even though there was nothing quite wrong with 1.0.2
[05:47] <nybble> ah, sweet sweet ubuntu
[05:48] <rcec52> Adblocker,weather, etc. ..
[05:48] <nalioth> rcec52: all that stuff works fine for me
[05:48] <sabbath> do I need to get java after I install?
[05:48] <nalioth> rcec52: although i don't use ff much
[05:48] <nybble> rcec52: what program are we talking about
[05:48] <nalioth> sabbath: do you have java programs?
[05:48] <sabbath> yep
[05:48] <shadeofgrey> hi everybody
[05:48] <flow> hi guys.. im new here..
[05:48] <rcec52> FireFox webbrowser. . .
[05:49] <nybble> shadeofgrey: hey
[05:49] <sabbath> sudo apt-get install java ?
[05:49] <IceDC571> nalioth, what browser do you use?
[05:49] <nybble> hey flow, need some help
[05:49] <shadeofgrey> is there an opensource program for saving the contact info stored in Cellphones?
[05:49] <flow> yea..
[05:49] <IceDC571> shadeofgrey, yep.. forgot the name though, sorry
[05:49] <nybble> apt-get install sun-jre or soemthing
[05:49] <flow> do you know how to open the ports for azureus?
[05:49] <nybble> flow: with?
[05:49] <nalioth> IceDC571: i use galeon
[05:49] <ep> I comment out the 2 backport lines but none of the lines contain "marillat"
[05:49] <nybble> flow: do you have a router
[05:49] <flow> tried firestarter.. but its still the same
[05:50] <nalioth> IceDC571: and sometimes kazehakaze
[05:50] <flow> yea.. done port forwarding with the router itself
[05:50] <budluva> apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[05:50] <IceDC571> nalioth, wow.. never heard of that before.. ill go look it up
[05:50] <nalioth> ep: great
[05:50] <nybble> flow: hmmm. I got fed up with it so i'm using *cough* upnp
[05:50] <flow> getting good speed in windows..
[05:50] <shadeofgrey> okay guys -- howdo you think i should procede with trying to migrate all my cell phone contacts to a folder on my harddisk?
[05:50] <rcec52> How do you get software updates to work with Azureus. ..? It doesn't work withing the program. ..at least mine doesn't. . .
[05:50] <flow> yea.. mine doesnt
[05:50] <nybble> flow: thats odd, same box right?
[05:50] <flow> yea
[05:50] <nybble> flow: the windows instal.
[05:50] <nybble> ah
[05:50] <nalioth> ep: nothing wrong with using marillat or backports "for one program", but disable them after you get "the one program"
[05:51] <shadeofgrey> i bought the data cable and everything but of course the only proprietary software available uses outcrook
[05:51] <nybble> hmm...
[05:51] <ep> ah ok
[05:51] <nalioth> IceDC571: kazehakaze is in the repos
[05:51] <nybble> flow: are you using the default ports?
[05:51] <nalioth> IceDC571: kazehakaze is a japanese gecko wreapper
[05:51] <flow> yea
[05:51] <nalioth> wrapper
[05:51] <_0kills> nalioth, are you familiar with any bugs... such as the Networking window wont load...
[05:51] <ep> now im adding the source u gave me from the paste bin  but i'm not sure where they belong
[05:51] <flow> should i change the ports?
[05:51] <nalioth> _0kills: sorry i am not
[05:52] <nybble> flow: give that a try. it just might help
[05:52] <ep> sources there are 6 lines
[05:52] <IceDC571> wow.. a search for kazehakaze in google returned a bunch of mailing lists and forums.. no homepage listing
[05:52] <_0kills> nalioth, np thanks
[05:52] <KillerSmurf> netsniper I have tried that but I have a question about wacomcpl
[05:52] <ep> just paste em all in at the end of the file?
[05:52] <nybble> flow: its a tricky program sometimes
[05:53] <nalioth> IceDC571: search for it using apt-cache showpkg kazehakase
[05:53] <netsniper> KillerSmurf, sorry dont know man
[05:53] <netsniper> :-(
[05:53] <KillerSmurf> :<
[05:53] <sabbath> can someone help me install java?
[05:53] <KillerSmurf> u still rock snipe
[05:53] <KillerSmurf> sure sabbath
[05:54] <nybble> sabbath: have you tried this: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[05:54] <nybble> sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[05:54] <IceDC571> ahh.. its kazehakase with an s at the end
[05:54] <nybble> brb.. have to restart
[05:54] <KillerSmurf> then java -version
[05:55] <flow> tried some random port that i didnt port forward.. and it seems to work
[05:55] <sabbath> thanks
[05:55] <nybble> flow: oki. its weird eh..
[05:55] <nybble> brb.
[05:55] <sabbath> I did a sudo apt-get install java-common hope thats not bad =\
[05:55] <flow> yup.
[05:55] <killfill> hi
[05:56] <killfill> how do i install java?.. is there a ubuntu .deb somewhere?  if not, can i make one myself easyly?
[05:56] <ep> nalioth, can i just comment out all existing lines and paste int the 6 you gave me from the pastebin link?  Theres a bunch of similar lookin urls here:)
[05:56] <IceDC571> www.ubuntuguide.org for all your how do i install needs
[05:56] <nybble> back
[05:56] <nybble> flow: so it is working now?
[05:56] <nalioth> ep surely
[05:57] <nalioth> IceDC571: please do not recommend ubuntuguide
[05:57] <IceDC571> nalioth, sorry.. why not?
[05:57] <KillerSmurf> anyone have any wacom experience
[05:57] <nybble> i am the one who did
[05:57] <killfill> hm..
[05:57] <nalioths_dog> killfill: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[05:57] <sabbath> ep: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5
[05:57] <nybble> sabbath: you have to add extra repositories, sorry. listen to nalioths_dog
[05:58] <KillerSmurf> sabbath do u have extra repositories loaded?
[05:58] <nalioth> IceDC571: read number 3 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[05:58] <synd> anyone use a USB 2.0 WiFi dongle?
[05:58] <synd> with ubuntu?
[05:58] <sabbath> no, I dont think sp.
[05:58] <sabbath> so
[05:58] <ep> ok done no update and upgrade?
[05:58] <bassinboy> man i can't find any repos that have the good stuff.... like libdvdcss ...... note i'm on teh 64
[05:58] <ep> *now update and upgrade?
[05:58] <nybble> ah, good point
[05:58] <KillerSmurf> if anyone can help me with a wacom issue pm me please
[05:59] <nybble> sorry guys i wont reccommend it again
[05:59] <nalioth> ep: yes
[05:59] <IceDC571> nalioth, thank you so much. i wasnt aware of this
[05:59] <nalioth> IceDC571: np
[05:59] <kde> >_>
[05:59] <kde> <_<
[05:59] <kde> ^_^
[05:59] <ep> thanks a bunch, got a question afterwards
[05:59] <nybble> nalioth: thanks aswell
[05:59] <kde> *runs*
[05:59] <chombee> Hi - I seem to be doing pretty well in terms of multimedia, codecs etc, just using the sources.list from the 5.04 Starters Guide. I don't have the hoary-extras repository. Can anyone tell me what is actually in that repos and why I might want it>
[06:00] <killfill> thanks!
[06:00] <nybble> nalioth: and i just used that ten minutes ago :(
[06:00] <bassinboy> any ideas where i can get the good stuff? like azureus or dvdcss
[06:00] <nalioth> chombee: please dont use the ubuntuguide recommendations
[06:00] <nalioths_dog> chombee: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[06:00] <sabbath> howto add extra repositories?
[06:00] <nalioth> chombee: using that info, can lead to your system not upgrading properly
[06:00] <hondje> man, this hotplug is off the wall
[06:01] <nalioths_dog> sabbath: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:01] <sabbath> ty
[06:01] <nalioth> bassinboy: libdvdcss is in multiverse
[06:01] <ep> ok i guess even after this, there is 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed,
[06:02] <nalioth> ep: because you caught it in time (before it really got into your system)
[06:02] <nybble> anyway.. g2g peoples
[06:02] <nybble> byee
[06:02] <chombee> nalioth - how so? it doesn't appear to contain anything non-official
[06:02] <ep> thats a good thing!
[06:02] <nalioth> chombee: read number 3 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[06:03] <nybble> #
[06:03] <nybble> Do NOT recommend people to use ubuntuguide.org, there are several reasons for this:
[06:03] <nybble>     *
[06:03] <nybble>       Ubuntuguide.org presents wrong solutions, ranging from suboptimal solutions to pure regressions.
[06:03] <nybble>     *
[06:03] <nybble>       Ubuntuguide.org is not really a guide, but a mere list of command you might enter. It gives no explanations at all
[06:03] <nybble>     *
[06:03] <nybble>       All information on Ubuntuguide.org is present on the wiki in clearer and better form
[06:03] <nybble> i should not have done that
[06:03] <nybble> lol
[06:03] <nalioth> nybble: please DO NOT flood (we have #flood for that)
[06:03] <ep> what i'd like to do next is install kde-base plus some meta packages.  Is this ok cause I really don't want to try kubuntu-desktop again
[06:03] <ajmitch> correct, you shouldn't paste like that :)
[06:03] <nalioth> ep: do as you like
[06:03] <bassinboy> nalioth: but for amd64?
[06:04] <nalioth> ep it is your system
[06:04] <budluva> how would i go about getting a key for my ssh server?
[06:04] <nalioth> bassinboy: enable your repos and have a look
[06:04] <nalioths_dog> bassinboy: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[06:04] <nybble> nalioth: sorry, i actually did not mean to paste that here..was intended for an im window
[06:04] <nalioth> bassinboy: you might be surprised what's there
[06:04] <nybble> woops
[06:04] <flithm> hey everyone... is it just me is is there no nedit in the ubuntu repositories?  what's up with that?
[06:05] <nalioth> flithm: nedit is there
[06:05] <chombee> well, okay, don't use Ubuntu Guide... but the sources.list they give doesn't have any outside repositories in it, I'm just trying to find out what is actually in hoary-extras?
[06:05] <flithm> nalioth, how come i can't install it with apt-get, or find it with apt-cache search?  do I have my apt setup wrong?
[06:06] <nalioth> flithm: i'm not sure, i found mine there
[06:06] <tyoung> I've installed xfe4 and some other window managers, but regardless of what I select at login, I still get gnome.  Can anybody point me to a clue on this problem?
[06:06] <nalioths_dog> flithm: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[06:06] <nalioth> flithm: make sure your sources.list looks like that
[06:06] <flithm> nalioth, nice thanks yo!
[06:06] <IceDC571> nalioth, the wiki is very interesting.. usually i stay away from wikis since they are not very user friendly and hard to understand.. but the ubuntu wiki looks so complete and interesting
[06:06] <nalioth> chombee: i don't even know what hoary-extras is
[06:06] <doonz> hey guys is there a way to turn off that cd creator program so that when i insert a blank cdr it does nothing?
[06:07] <chombee> it's on the wiki, and it says it holds unofficial multimedia codecs, but i seem to have all the codecs
[06:07] <IceDC571> doonz, yep. hang on
[06:07] <nalioth> chombee: to my knowledge there is no need for hoary-extras (i believe it is unofficial)
[06:07] <ep> We'll I'll take the advise of someone experienced too:)  Do u recomend do kubunto-desktop instead?  Earlier today i got a segfaulting kongueror bug and found bug report describing it. Someone said KDE 3.4.1 was a fix but i dont' know what version i had earlier
[06:08] <budluva> doonz, sup fooker, you not working either? :P
[06:08] <doonz> fawk you
[06:08] <doonz> :)
[06:08] <mae> does ubuntu have plans to add the native eclipse like fedora?
[06:08] <bassinboy> nalioth *shrugs*.... still no libdvdcss
[06:08] <Expell> err, anyone knows any linux apps source beside sourceforge? sourceforge's currently down.....
[06:08] <budluva> ive been on my ass for 2 weeks now, this sucks I HATE RAIN!
[06:08] <IceDC571> doonz, are you using gnome?
[06:08] <doonz> naw my job down in drumheller got cancelled cause of the flood
[06:08] <doonz> ice yes
[06:08] <nalioth> bassinboy: its libdvdcss0
[06:08] <budluva> doonz lol yeah they got it gooood
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> expell freshmeat
[06:09] <IceDC571> doonz, go to system > preferences > removable drives and media
[06:09] <nalioth> ep that is for 3.4.1
[06:09] <budluva> doonz, you at oinks right now?
[06:09] <doonz> yep
[06:09] <doonz> ok ice
[06:09] <ep> what did i have earlier?
[06:09] <doonz> thnx ice
[06:10] <nalioth> ep: dunno
[06:10] <nalioth> ep: but you wanted the fix
[06:11] <bassinboy> E: Couldn't find package libdvdcss0
[06:11] <IceDC571> doonz, did it help you? im not sure if it could stop burning apps from launching if thats what you wanted
[06:11] <doonz> yep it did
[06:11] <IceDC571> ahh okay.. good
[06:11] <Expell> yeah... that one... :)) thanks kamping_kaizer
[06:12] <ep> yes, im just not sure what the fix is:  xxtreme said "xxtreme ep= i ran into the same problem, so i uninstalled that, and synaptic kdebas3.4 and went from there"
[06:12] <nalioth> bassinboy: did you update your apt-get (if you changed your sources.list)
[06:13] <nalioth> ep: perhaps xxtreme didnt know the url of the new stuff
[06:13] <bassinboy> nalioth: indeed
[06:13] <nalioth> bassinboy: well i'm not sure, most amd64 users don't ask about libdvdcss
[06:14] <ep> ok, i'm gonna try kubuntu-desktop then
[06:14] <nalioth> bassinboy: so i'm assuming they have it
[06:15] <thechitowncubs> hey
[06:15] <ep> and goes for it
[06:15] <IceDC571> good luck
[06:17] <xxtreme> nalioth, you say take out backports in repositories
[06:17] <nalioth> xxtreme: i say only use them for a single program you want, and then comment them back out
[06:17] <nalioth> xxtreme: because everyday use will sooner or later botch your upgradeability
[06:17] <xxtreme> nalioth, oh ok, also marillat
[06:18] <nalioth> xxtreme: yes any unofficial repository
[06:18] <xxtreme> nalioth
[06:18] <xxtreme> thanks
[06:19] <IceDC571> marillat killed my ubuntu system on my laptop
[06:19] <bob2> it didn't "kill" anything
[06:19] <bob2> at worst it can make some things (temporarily) uninstallable
[06:19] <IceDC571> well maybe i was exagerrating
[06:19] <xxtreme> bob2= what u think happen then
[06:19] <bob2> "you"
[06:19] <IceDC571> it got to the point where i couldnt install the official packages correctly
[06:20] <bob2> I don't know what problem you are talking about
[06:20] <bob2> right, that's what "uninstallable" means
[06:20] <_0kills> you guys know if there is any reason the Networking window wont appear (when i click System> Administration> Networking it doesnt load).. should i reinstall Ubuntu?
[06:20] <IceDC571> bob2 is smart!
[06:21] <bob2> so, don't use non-ubuntu repositories if you don't know to fix problems like that
[06:21] <IceDC571> _0kills, try running the command 'network-admin' in the terminal
[06:22] <_0kills> IceDC571, thanks
[06:22] <_0kills> hey, are ESSID and SSID the same?
[06:23] <ep> Ok to us kdm now that i'm kde'ing it?
[06:23] <Moat> Do I need to reinstall ubuntu-desktop after it got uninstalled when I removed OO to try OO 2.0 beta.
[06:23] <nalioth> ep: KDE works under gdm just as well
[06:23] <IceDC571> _0kills, i can confirm that ESSID is the same as SSID
[06:23] <_0kills> thanks
[06:24] <nalioth> Moat: ubuntu-desktop is necessary for upgrading
[06:24] <ep> i know, i'd prefer kdm unless theres some reason i should choose gdm
[06:24] <Moat> When I try to reinstall ubuntu-desktop it looks like it wants to reinstall OpenOffice 1.3
[06:25] <nalioth> Moat: good question
[06:25] <xxtreme> ep= u got it install yet
[06:25] <bassinboy> any amd64 users?
[06:25] <ep> no i'm at the prompt having a drink
[06:26] <ep> just one moment
[06:26] <_0kills> IceDC571, we're having trouble installing Ubuntu on my brother's computer. in the beginning of the install, when it looks for the network, it asks me for the ESSID, i have tried typing ANY, and tried typing default, but nothing seems to work.. what do i do at this point?
[06:27] <IceDC571> _0kills, does ubuntu support your wireless device natively?
[06:27] <ep> pretty hefty download
[06:28] <_0kills> IceDC571, yes, the wiki states that the card 'Works great!'
[06:28] <ep> brb, gotta end this session
[06:28] <penguinboy> www.penguinboy.us
[06:28] <synd> how do i set sudo hdparm -d1 -X34 /dev/hdd to execute everytime a boot?
[06:29] <gm78> Has anyone noticed Ubuntu (not Linux in General) doesn't play nice with routers?
[06:29] <Expell> what router?
[06:29] <jgoguen> what problems?
[06:30] <gm78> D-Link DI-524 (not using Wireless) and SMC VBR7004
[06:30] <IceDC571> _0kills, it might not work due to the same reason the networking ui wont work if you try to launch it from the panel
[06:30] <IceDC571> _0kills, when you launch it from the terminal does it give you any errors?
[06:30] <jgoguen> gm: what's the problem you're having?
[06:30] <synd> hmm ubuntu wont eject my disk...?
[06:30] <gm78> Most webpages don't work. www.lwn.net is an example. Works fine in Knoppix, CentOS, Windows and Ubuntu plugged right into the cable modem...but Ubuntu through the router is a no go
[06:30] <synd> dvd disk
[06:31] <bassinboy> any amd64 users?
[06:31] <ep> xxtreme, In like Flynn
[06:31] <teco> fake64?
[06:31] <teco> no,never
[06:31] <nalioth> synd: is it on the desktop?
[06:31] <_0kills> IceDC571, we have to reinstall Ubuntu, cant load the terminal right now, in the middle of the install :\
[06:31] <metzen> does ubuntu use a different version of synaptic than debian?
[06:31] <synd> nalioth: no
[06:31] <IceDC571> _0kills, alright. let me know if you need any help from there
[06:32] <_0kills> IceDC571, k, thanks man, i appreciate it
[06:32] <teco> 754...939.... oh,I am waiting 978
[06:32] <ep> Kde is just snappier, the wonders of c++ or QT ?
[06:32] <gm78> Is there any reason at all Ubuntu, and only Ubuntu, would not like to view most webpages through a router
[06:32] <ep> bloated code is quicker:)
[06:32] <jasmuz> ep: qt
[06:32] <teco> qual channel
[06:32] <nalioth> synd: try from a terminal eject /dev/cdrom (and there are many things to enter here)
[06:33] <synd> nalioth: that worked!
[06:33] <ep> so far so good, thanks for the help Nalioth
[06:33] <teco> Qtsqual/quad/
[06:34] <amonkey> what's the linux equiv of ipconfig /release; ipconfig /renew
[06:34] <teco> s/qual/quad/
[06:34] <crimsun> amonkey: ifdown $interface; ifup $interface
[06:35] <nalioth> np, yall
[06:37] <gm78> One computer happens to work, and thats cause i set up a virtual server on the router for America's Army, the rest don't.....this is rididulous, 2 routers with 3 other operating systems work and this one can't....I'm thinking of downgrading to Warty
[06:37] <ep> is that pastebin site with the souces listed permanent?   I want to record the url in my install notes.
[06:45] <chris_> I have a Toshiba Satellite 1735 laptop with a new Ubuntu install. It works fairly well with two issues so far: Sound and video. Sound I can work on later and have gotten working in the past with linux, but video always seems to be limited to 800x600, although windows does 1024x768 without a problem. Any suggestions?
[06:46] <chris_> Video card is a Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x
[06:46] <djs> chris_: This might help you (see below)
[06:47] <djs> !resolution
[06:47] <ubotu> methinks resolution is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:47] <chris_> Thanks, I'll check it out
[06:47] <djs> yw :)
[06:47] <synd> how do i set sudo hdparm -d1 -X34 /dev/hdd to execute everytime a boot?
[06:47] <synd> i boot*
[06:49] <hondje> synd: edit /etc/hdparm.conf
[06:49] <chris_> thanks djs, looks like one of these will fix it. I'll give it a try tomorrow.
[06:50] <djs> chris_: np.  Note that if you need to run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" it asks a lot of questions.  The default answers are usually pretty good.
[06:50] <tristanmike> Hello
[06:51] <synd> ugh my cdrw drive skips oddly when trying to play CDs
[06:51] <doonz> what a good program to burn bin and cue files with
[06:51] <synd> setting the DMS to on does nothing.. unless i have to reboot after i set the dma to on
[06:51] <synd> DMA*
[06:51] <crimsun> doonz: bchunk->cdrecord, cdrdao
[06:51] <doonz> thats installed in ubuntu already
[06:52] <synd> anyone?
[06:52] <cycom> why the hell does my clock run at more than 2x normal speed?
[06:52] <Expell> wow
[06:53] <hmsmariano> everyone!
[06:53] <Expell> overclocked?? :))
[06:53] <rezzcobain> Can anyone help a linux noob install java on ubuntu?
[06:53] <cycom> no, like system time
[06:53] <cycom> not the actual processor
[06:53] <hondje> !java
[06:53] <ubotu> it has been said that java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java
[06:53] <Expell> lol..... ic :)
[06:53] <synd> rezzcobain: ubuntuguide.org is a good place to check too
[06:53] <Expell> accellerated aging... :p
[06:53] <cycom> it's crazy. supposedly I need a system clock hack
[06:53] <hmsmariano> can anyone help me with fsck and "busy devices"?
[06:54] <Expell> rezzcobain: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[06:54] <hondje> hmsmariano: unmount them first
[06:54] <rezzcobain> Well my problem is that im so new to all of this I dont quite understand what im reading
[06:54] <hondje> ubuntu guide is full of lies and bad ideas....
[06:54] <SpecialBuddy> has anyone here been able to put kooldock on kubuntu
[06:54] <Koi> yes
[06:54] <Expell> hmm .... it works for me.... (so far) :)
[06:54] <rezzcobain> I was hoping to get someone that could help me learn
[06:54] <synd> hondje: not for newbies : P
[06:54] <hmsmariano> yeah hondje
[06:54] <synd> it helped me so much
[06:54] <Expell> and by the way, ubuntu's not my primary linux distro :p
[06:54] <hmsmariano> it doesn't let me do it
[06:54] <hondje> hmsmariano: what partition?
[06:54] <hmsmariano> just says "busy device"
[06:55] <hondje>  Your root partition?
[06:55] <hmsmariano> /dev/hdd1
[06:55] <tristanmike> rezzcobain: have you installed the repositories?
[06:55] <synd> time for a reboot to see if this works
[06:55] <bassinboy> man i can't find libdvdcss :-/
[06:55] <hondje> hmsmariano: easiest way is to open up a terminal after saving your work and running 'sudo shutdown -Fr now'
[06:55] <SpecialBuddy> do you know how to install kooldock or anything else like that
[06:55] <rezzcobain> Tristan I dont even know what or how
[06:55] <hmsmariano> what does -Fr means?
[06:56] <hondje> hmsmariano: that'll reboot and force it to fsck it
[06:56] <hmsmariano> okeyyyy hondje
[06:56] <merc> hey all, im trying to run Azureus jar via java -jar, however i recieve this errror -- Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/commons/cli/CommandLine
[06:56] <hmsmariano> that's it
[06:56] <Koi> kooldock is there a .deb package?
[06:56] <merc> anyone have any idea what's up?
[06:56] <SpecialBuddy> let me
[06:56] <SpecialBuddy> check
[06:56] <hmsmariano> thanks hondje, i'll try right now
[06:56] <hondje> hmsmariano: no problem
[06:57] <SpecialBuddy> I don't think so
[06:57] <doonz> crimsum i installed bchunk,,, how do i work it now?
[06:57] <tristanmike> rezzcobain: You'll have to edit you're sources.list
[06:58] <schasi> Is there something like packages.debian.org for ubuntu?
[06:58] <crimsun> of course.
[06:58] <crimsun> s/debian/ubuntu/
[06:58] <doonz> crimsun i installed bchunk,,, how do i work it now?
[06:58] <tristanmike> rezzcobain: have you been to ubuntuguide.org?
[06:58] <bassinboy> where in the world is libdvdcss?
[06:58] <SpecialBuddy> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[06:58] <SpecialBuddy> what does that mean
[06:59] <rezzcobain> Yes, however I learn better from experience then reading :(
[06:59] <crimsun> bassinboy: multiverse or debian-marillat/testing
[06:59] <schasi> crimsun: does not work
[06:59] <crimsun> SpecialBuddy: install build-essential
[06:59] <tristanmike> I understand completely
[06:59] <jgoguen> rezzcobain: ubuntuguide.org gives you step-by step directions for installing Java
[06:59] <crimsun> doonz: read the man page
[06:59] <djs> schasi: s/org/com :)
[06:59] <tristanmike> It's hard to understand when you know nothing
[06:59] <schasi> ubuntu is com? woa
[06:59] <tristanmike> I know, I just went through the learning experience
[07:00] <crimsun> schasi: what doesn't?
[07:00] <tristanmike> rezzcobain: open up the terminal
[07:00] <bassinboy> crimsun: can't find it... i dvd went to the http and looked for it
[07:00] <crimsun> bassinboy: come again?
[07:01] <bassinboy> crimsun: do you know a certain server that has it? all the ones i've tried dont
[07:02] <schasi> thank you crimsun
[07:02] <PlutoPrime> hi, why would the "New Login" option suddenly stop working to switch between users?
[07:02] <doonz> thanx crimsun
[07:02] <PlutoPrime> not only that, now when I switch between users in gdm, aka logout as user x and login as user y it hangs loading gnome
[07:02] <PlutoPrime> I haven't made any changes... and it just broke??
[07:03] <PlutoPrime> :(
[07:05] <crimsun> bassinboy: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/libd/libdvdcss/
[07:05] <tristanmike> rezzcobain:?
[07:05] <davidmccabe> OSCON is in my town... wonder what the chances on sneaking in are.
[07:05] <bassinboy> crimsun: thanks! :)
[07:06] <bassinboy> crimsun: should i add  that to my sources.list somehow?
[07:06] <Koi> you can add sources through synaptic gui or edit the sources list with nano
[07:06] <crimsun> bassinboy: those instructions are on wiki/RestrictedFormats (and probably on the ubuntuguide as well)
[07:07] <ghostless> Is there somekind of app that will give me a OSX like dock thing? Preferably in gnome?
[07:08] <gobeavs> in C, how do you make the system pause for a certain amount of time?
[07:09] <lifeless> gobeavs: carefully
[07:09] <teco|731> hehe
[07:09] <lifeless> gobeavs: man 3 sleep
[07:10] <gobeavs> is that in linux or windows?
[07:10] <gobeavs> sorry, shoulda specified
[07:10] <gobeavs> for windows
[07:10] <lifeless> oh, don't recall
[07:10] <gobeavs> system("Pause 1") or something like that?
[07:10] <gobeavs> I think
[07:10] <lifeless> see msdn, search
[07:11] <lifeless> no, theres a Win32 API call for it
[07:11] <Eman_rpg> hello everyone
[07:11] <lifeless> depends if you want a GUI or console safe tool too
[07:11] <teco|731> syscall in shell .... windows
[07:11] <teco|731> ?
[07:12] <gobeavs> only console
[07:12] <teco|731> it's too far for windows
[07:12] <teco|731> msdn,osdn,csdn...
[07:13] <jayparadise> christ
[07:13] <jayparadise> they removed a dead fetus from a boy
[07:14] <Koi> ...
[07:14] <Koi> k
[07:14] <jbroome> link!
[07:14] <Koi> torrentplz
[07:14] <jayparadise> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4624307.stm
[07:14] <teco|731> ?
[07:14] <teco|731> what news?
[07:15] <metzen> gobeavs, why are you asking about 'C' questions for 'Windows' in the ubuntu linux channel? ;p
[07:15] <teco|731> (because his boss...)
[07:15] <jbroome> mmm, parasitic twin
[07:15] <jayparadise> i don't think windows has many channels
[07:15] <jayparadise> lol
[07:15] <jbroome> not on freenode
[07:15] <teco|731> (daily FUD is important)
[07:16] <jayparadise> i havent seen an irc windows channel
[07:16] <teco|731> #windows
[07:16] <teco|731> or join sh*t-star
[07:16] <Koi> im having problems with setting up raid1 - when I make the array grum then hangs at 1.5 with error 18
[07:17] <jayparadise> wow thats ironic
[07:17] <Koi> yah
[07:17] <Koi> grub*
[07:18] <gobeavs> metzen: lol...I don't know
[07:18] <gobeavs> metzen: wanna pick a fight? :-P I have nowhere else really to look
[07:18] <gobeavs> metzen: thought I might as well ask, and I actually didnt think about the windows part until after I posted it :-P
[07:18] <metzen> gobeavs, ill slap you with the 5 fingered sleep
[07:18] <metzen> gobeavs, threaded
[07:19] <_0kills> IceDC571, i typed network-admin in the terminal and it didnt work
[07:20] <Koi> any one knows about setting up raid
[07:20] <metzen> 0kills: any error message?
[07:20] <gobeavs> Koi: nope, sorry :(
[07:21] <_0kills> metzen, no, it seemed like it was processing but it did nothing
[07:21] <teco|731> what's raid?
[07:21] <jayparadise> whats the pastebin url?
[07:21] <Koi> Redundant Array of Independent Disks
[07:22] <metzen> 0kills: did you run it as root?
[07:22] <Expell> independent? or inexpensive??
[07:22] <Koi> both
[07:22] <jayparadise> i just had to reinstall after an odd system meltdown and i need the aptsource list
[07:22] <metzen> Expell, inexpensive was the original term
[07:22] <Koi> i got then on sale
[07:22] <Expell> :))
[07:22] <Koi> yah
[07:22] <jayparadise> so i  can get back on kubuntu
[07:23] <Expell> byeee......
[07:23] <_0kills> metzen, no, ill try that
[07:23] <jasmuz> Koi: google it
[07:23] <Koi> i did
[07:23] <Koi> i had extra bad luck with is
[07:23] <Koi> it*
[07:24] <metzen> Koi: look for info on raidtools, and md
[07:24] <merc> has azureus been removed from the repos or something?
[07:24] <djs> jayparadise: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[07:25] <crimsun> merc: it was never in the repos.
[07:25] <merc> crimsun: oh, damn ubuntuguide!
[07:25] <zoople> hey. trying to update firefox. it says that i "do not have permission to install to: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox"
[07:26] <locomorto> sudo?
[07:26] <crimsun> merc: it may have been in an _unofficial_ repo, but it has never been in the official Ubuntu repo.
[07:27] <merc> ah
[07:27] <_0kills> metzen, good call on using root, it worked, thanks man :)
[07:27] <ranek> metzen, thanks that's what was needed. We forgot to use the Sudo command
[07:27] <metzen> 0kills: nice, you may have a problem with gksudo not working correctly
[07:27] <_0kills> hehe, sup ranek
[07:27] <merc> anyone know what this java error is all about? -- Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/commons/cli/CommandLine
[07:27] <metzen> 0kills: it should be prompting you to enter the root password when you run network-admin
[07:28] <ranek> _0kills, not much need to know how to privet chat though
[07:28] <_0kills> metzen, yea, we got it figured it
[07:28] <_0kills> ranek, sent you a private message
[07:29] <metzen> merc: is that .class file on your CLASSPATH ?
[07:30] <merc> well, i doubt it
[07:30] <merc> are the class files the org/apache/commons etc?
[07:30] <metzen> are you using a .jar file from apache or something?
[07:30] <merc> azureus..
[07:30] <merc> but yeah, its a jar
[07:32] <unome> !hotplug
[07:32] <ubotu> unome: I give up, what is it?
[07:32] <scarlettecho> can anyone help me get MPlayer?  I've been at it all day and no luck.
[07:32] <crimsun> scarlettecho: you can get mplayer from multiverse
[07:33] <scarlettecho> crimsun, I'm a complete newbie.  could you elaborate?
[07:34] <crimsun> scarlettecho: make sure you have the multiverse and universe repositories enabled, then in a Terminal, type: sudo aptitude install mplayer-586=1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[07:34] <fr500> hello
[07:35] <amonkey> merc, i get that problem when i compile something with jdk but then try to run it with the runtime
[07:35] <Xyc0> too early for sleep
[07:35] <Xyc0> sleep plenty when im dead
[07:35] <amonkey> merc, try using the java executable that came with jdk
[07:35] <fr500> does anyone know a free ftp where i can upload stuff? i want to test my upstream bandwidth, console only
[07:35] <lw> say i wanna blow away /opt/LimeWire/, what is the cmd?
[07:36] <merc> amonkey: ahh..k
[07:36] <fr500> lw, rm -rf /opt/LimeWire
[07:36] <fr500> as root
[07:36] <Xyc0> everything is free on linux
[07:37] <lw> Xyc0, free, as in free beer
[07:37] <lw> Xyc0, for the most part
[07:37] <fr500> Xyc0, it's not "free" and thats not whay i asked
[07:37] <Xyc0> mmmmm beer
[07:37] <Koi> hmm free beer
[07:38] <Koi> ok so im i little better i found mdadm
[07:38] <Xyc0> free beer is ok, but good beer is worth it
[07:39] <lw> how do i make a launcher that does the "force quit on next click" action?
[07:39] <lw> like in gnome
[07:39] <lw> but i wanna be able to do that in xfce
[07:40] <Xyc0> xfce, is that any good?
[07:40] <Xyc0> Ive never tried it
[07:40] <lw> Xyc0, yes
[07:41] <lw> Xyc0, good on older to semi-older hardware
[07:41] <lw> Xyc0, i love it
[07:41] <Xyc0> how big is the install for it? would it fit on a flash drive?
[07:41] <lw> its not that big
[07:42] <metzen> Xyc0: its nice, not as full featured as gnome, someone people dont want all the gnome bloat, but its not as stripped down as some of the really bare WMs like fluxbox or openbox
[07:42] <jasmuz> Xyc0: Xfce rocks
[07:42] <lw> xfce is my fav of all
[07:42] <Xyc0> I will have to try messing with it
[07:42] <lw> Xyc0, sudo apt-get install xfce4
[07:42] <Xyc0> yea, i was looking at that last night
[07:42] <lw> Xyc0, or go into synaptic and search for xfce and youll find a ton of plugins
[07:42] <Xyc0> rgr
[07:43] <lw> i use it on a p3 1ghz
[07:43] <lw> and a p3 650mhz
[07:43] <Xyc0> all day i dream about sex yes all day i dream about sex
[07:43] <amonkey> adidas?
[07:43] <Xyc0> all day i dream about fucking!!!!!
[07:43] <amonkey> i havn't listened to korn in ages
[07:43] <Xyc0> that song is just too awsome tho
[07:43] <lw> watch the lang
[07:43] <Xyc0> Im listening to Family Values Tour
[07:44] <Xyc0> I apologise lw, I dont belive in censorship
[07:44] <Xyc0> they do offer some fine filters for IRC
[07:45] <jbroome> yeah, they usually have @ in front of their names
[07:45] <lw> Xyc0, this isnt a chat channel
[07:46] <Xyc0> its a general channel, calm down
[07:46] <anarky99> Seveas: :)
[07:46] <anarky99> morning
[07:46] <lw> Xyc0, no
[07:46] <anarky99> Xyc0: whats the problem?
[07:47] <Xyc0> anarky99: none, just chilling, seeing who needs help
[07:47] <Xyc0> anarky99: Why?
[07:47] <synd> Xyc0: all day i dream about fucking!!!!!
[07:47] <anarky99>  < Xyc0> its a general channel, calm down
[07:47] <dunja> how can I get m4a's to play
[07:47] <synd> comments such as that are not needed
[07:47] <dunja> ?
[07:47] <crimsun> dunja: you need libfaad* and faad*
[07:47] <Xyc0> oh ha synd was freaking out about me typing lyrics to ADIDAS
[07:48] <synd> dunja, im not exactly certain, but i dont believe AAC protected play on linux..
[07:48] <crimsun> dunja: both from debian-marillat
[07:48] <synd> Xyc0, most certainly didnt "freak out"
[07:48] <dunja> how do I install them?
[07:48] <dunja> I'm new with linux
[07:48] <crimsun> dunja: read wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:49] <IceDC571> dunja, goto system > administration > synaptic package manager and search for those packages to install
[07:49] <Xyc0> synd: You certainly put a lot of effort into portraying my act as being non-helpful.
[07:49] <IceDC571> dunja, but right now i would recommend you read the ubuntu wiki
[07:49] <dunja> ok wait which packages?
[07:49] <synd> Xyc0, Stop. You made an unneeded comment. I told you to watch your language. End of story.
[07:50] <dunja> whats ubuntu wiki?
[07:50] <synd> !wiki
[07:50] <synd> !restricted
[07:50] <ubotu> restricted is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:50] <Xyc0> synd: I continued a little further then that if I recall, but yes lets leave it be.
[07:50] <dunja> alright
[07:50] <dunja> thanks
[07:53] <synd> http://139.55.40.76:8000/ - if anyone is interested in tuning into my podcast
[07:53] <synd> nicecast* i mean
[07:53] <Xyc0> 3ddesktop is an awesome desktop toy if anyone wants to show off how awesome Linux is
[07:53] <IceDC571> decss is illegal in the US? lol
[07:53] <scarlettecho> crimsun, thank you.  I followed your advice and finally got it.  Much thanks!
[07:53] <hondje> could you imagine differently? :)
[07:54] <IceDC571> ahh.. nothing is free in this country
[07:54] <Xyc0> Death is free
[07:54] <crimsun> scarlettecho: np
[07:54] <k1> having some trouble following this tut for installing ipw2200 drivers http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26623 can anyone help?
[07:54] <hondje> Your 1040 forms are free :)
[07:54] <Hans001> hi
[07:54] <Xyc0> its the only thing you have to do in life... die
[07:54] <IceDC571> hah.. thanks Xyc0
[07:54] <hondje> They just give those out like candy
[07:54] <synd> Prison is free.
[07:54] <synd> : >
[07:54] <Hans001> can anyone explain to me the difference between debian and ubuntu ?
[07:55] <k1> I get to making the drivers and get this error: make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[07:55] <Xyc0> awsomeness
[07:55] <synd> Hans001, in a nutshell, ubuntu is much like debian, except it got all the things right taht debian got wrong
[07:55] <hondje> alright, me and synd can make conbuntu
[07:55] <Xyc0> Hans001: Ubuntu is more focused on practicality and usability
[07:55] <Hans001> synd, explain more
[07:55] <hondje> *in a desktop environment
[07:55] <crimsun> k1: why are you trying to compile the ipw2200 drivers?
[07:56] <crimsun> k1: they're already included with Hoary
[07:56] <IceDC571> Hans001, well im a linux newb but ubuntu is a sugar coated version of debian.. debian is a base of linux and ubuntu fixes, preconfigures, automates a lot of things the new user would want in a distro
[07:56] <Hans001> so ubuntu might not contain some of the packages that debian distro has ?
[07:56] <Koi> mdadm --create --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1
[07:56] <Xyc0> Hans001: Debian is focused on adaptablilty with new hardware
[07:56] <Koi> error opening /dev/md0: No such file or directory
[07:56] <k1> my internet drops out if it's not constantly doing something, so I was told to try these drivers
[07:56] <Hans001> IceD nice
[07:56] <crimsun> k1: you need to install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:57] <Hans001> when i ask in debian
[07:57] <Xyc0> Hans001: Ubuntu uses the Internet to install all the other packages through apt-get
[07:57] <Hans001> they start asking me about my distro
[07:57] <matt_> whats a good prorgram for playing windows media p;ayer files
[07:57] <synd> matt_, rhythmbox
[07:57] <Hans001> Xyc u mean building the whole system?
[07:57] <synd> matt_, vlc
[07:57] <synd> matt_, totem-xine
[07:57] <matt_> what do you think is better
[07:57] <lancer285> does anyone have cinelerra working in ubuntu?
[07:58] <Hans001> but with a dialup i would need the Cds badly
[07:58] <synd> matt_, are they audio or video?
[07:58] <Hans001> and leave the apt-get throught the net for smaller apps
[07:58] <IceDC571> but if you want to start from scratch, configure everything, dont want any pre-configured add-ons.. then debian is for you
[07:58] <Xyc0> Hans001: No, i mean ubuntu installs everything Debian does, but through a single disk instead of the 7 debian uses
[07:58] <merc> anyone care to recommend a bittorrent client -- besides azureus?
[07:58] <matt_> video
[07:58] <sysrq> merc: bittorrent
[07:58] <synd> Hans001, the Ubuntu CD comes with most everything one needs
[07:58] <IceDC571> merc, gnome bittorrent?
[07:58] <Xyc0> merc: Azureus giving you troubles?
[07:58] <merc> Xyc0: java, actually, but bah
[07:58] <Hans001> cool
[07:59] <Errejo> anyone know when the next ubuntu release is?
[07:59] <crimsun> october
[07:59] <IceDC571> did gnome bittorrent actually come with ubuntu? i'm surprised.. very nice
[07:59] <Xyc0> merc: I belive gnome has a bittorrent manager
[07:59] <synd> Errejo, oct
[07:59] <Errejo> thanks
[07:59] <merc> cool, thanks yall
[07:59] <Hans001> so, ubunto preconfigured, automated, where debian stops, ubunto continues
[07:59] <Hans001> i got the idea now,
[07:59] <synd> Hans001, for the most part
[07:59] <Xyc0> Hans001: your close
[07:59] <hondje> for a desktop
[08:00] <Xyc0> Ubuntu is not as fast as Debian is at getting out new software
[08:00] <Xyc0> Debian has a larger dev team too
[08:00] <synd> ahh i love nicecast and vnc
[08:00] <Xyc0> But ubuntu is awsome at making things practical
[08:00] <doonz> will gnomebaker convert a wma file into a file that can be burnt as an audio cd?
[08:00] <Hans001> but if debian got a software i tink ubuntu sers can install it
[08:01] <synd> Hans001, yes
[08:01] <synd> Hans001, but generally not recommended because things might break
[08:01] <Xyc0> ^
[08:01] <hondje> Usually with little work work, but not as-is
[08:01] <sugoruyo> hey folks can you guys help me set up my audio card??????
[08:01] <crimsun> sugoruyo: what card?
[08:01] <Hans001> u know it is a nice idea
[08:01] <Xyc0> sugoruyo: what is the card?
[08:01] <matt_> whats a good plugin for wmv
[08:01] <sugoruyo> audigy es
[08:02] <synd> anyone listen to Uberzone?
[08:02] <crimsun> sugoruyo: give me the line from lspci -v
[08:02] <Hans001> because debian rocks, the only one thing that everyone complains about it is u need to configure everything which hard for a newbie
[08:02] <Xyc0> sugoruyo: are you using digital out?
[08:02] <lancer285> guys, is there a .deb package for cinelerra??
[08:02] <sugoruyo> no
[08:02] <Hans001> seems this is fixed and in the end it is good for debian itself
[08:02] <matt_> whats a good mozilla plugin for wmv
[08:02] <sugoruyo> i just want sound from a standard pair of pc speakers
[08:02] <Xyc0> Hans001: Debian Rocks = Ubuntu Rocks
[08:03] <Xyc0> sugoruyo: alsamixer
[08:03] <Xyc0> sugoruyo: type that in terminal
[08:03] <Hans001> i like the idea
[08:03] <Xyc0> sugoruyo: you can mute and unmute all the other channels
[08:03] <mae> whats the name of the wireless applet that ubuntu has
[08:03] <synd> time to go play in #macosx
[08:03] <Hans001> how many Cds availble for ubuntu?
[08:03] <crimsun> Xyc0: please don't suggest that.
[08:03] <Hans001> I think i will download it
[08:04] <Xyc0> crimsun: .... its how to do it
[08:04] <djs> Hans001: One
[08:04] <sugoruyo> would it work without me installing something?
[08:04] <sugoruyo> crimsun, 0000:02:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03)
[08:04] <sugoruyo> this is one
[08:04] <Hans001> does it have kde or i will have to get it from ubuntu respitories
[08:04] <crimsun> sugoruyo: please pase the output from amixer onto pastebin.com
[08:05] <sugoruyo> oops sorry
[08:05] <crimsun> Xyc0: no, he simply needs to unmute the 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack'
[08:05] <Xyc0> thru alsamixer
[08:05] <sugoruyo> it also finds the on-board audio which i think is AC97
[08:05] <sugoruyo> wait a sec
[08:05] <crimsun> Xyc0: he can use any mixer, really
[08:05] <crimsun> Xyc0: the important part is that he toggle that default setting (in Hoary)
[08:06] <djs> Hans001: If you want KDE.  Have a look at "kubuntu" - http://www.kubuntu.org/
[08:06] <Hans001> ok
[08:06] <Xyc0> does Kubuntu use the same repos as ubuntu?
[08:07] <locomorto> yes
[08:07] <Xyc0> then one should be able to install KDE via apt-get
[08:07] <sugoruyo> look i have 2 audio cards it seems
[08:07] <Adross> is there anyway to stop nautilus saving the location of where each folder was opened when you use it, so it doesn't jump around and whatnot?
[08:07] <sugoruyo> one on-board and the audigy
[08:07] <Xyc0> sugoruyo: make sure everything is set to the audigy then
[08:08] <sugoruyo> thing is when i go into alsamixer i see Intel ICH5 as my audio card
[08:08] <sugoruyo> which obviously refers to the m/b card
[08:08] <sugoruyo> i can't get pastebin to load...
[08:08] <Xyc0> sugoruyo: ah your right, does that to my lappy too
[08:09] <mikas> sugoruyo, try alsamixer -c 1
[08:09] <sugoruyo> i'll use the one in the topic
[08:10] <sugoruyo> now i get sound blaster audigy as the audio card
[08:10] <sugoruyo> i should just play with the volume settings?
[08:10] <mikas> sugoruyo, try those
[08:11] <mikas> master, pcm and front were low for me with my audigy
[08:11] <Xyc0> sugoruyo: No need, look for the Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack
[08:11] <sugoruyo> i found it
[08:11] <sugoruyo> but it has no bar
[08:11] <sugoruyo> it says its off
[08:11] <Xyc0> press m
[08:12] <sugoruyo> ok it got green
[08:12] <Xyc0> that mutes and unmutes it
[08:12] <sugoruyo> shouldn't i get a bar though?
[08:12] <Xyc0> should work ok
[08:12] <IceDC571> no bars means its just a switch
[08:12] <Xyc0> nah, you can adjust the surround settings if you want the side speakers louder tho
[08:12] <sugoruyo> how do i test sound now
[08:12] <Xyc0> play some music
[08:12] <regeya> indeed
[08:12] <Xyc0> or click shet to make sounds
[08:12] <sugoruyo> i got none on the disc
[08:13] <Xyc0> .....
[08:13] <regeya> boopy
[08:13] <IceDC571> anyone know a free video i could download to test my totem player?
[08:13] <regeya> oy vey.
[08:13] <regeya> anyone have some free porn I can use to test pornview?
[08:13] <crimsun> sugoruyo: play a wav file in /usr/share/
[08:13] <crimsun> /usr/share/sounds/  rather
[08:13] <jasmuz> pornview hahah
[08:13] <Xyc0> you put in a fav cd
[08:14] <IceDC571> regeya, are you serious?
[08:14] <IceDC571> lol
[08:14] <mikas> lol
[08:14] <regeya> porn is so hard to find
[08:14] <IceDC571> not really
[08:14] <Xyc0> IceDC571: What are you trying to test?
[08:14] <mikas> regeya, and you can't test it with any other pics? :)
[08:14] <regeya> *whizz*
[08:14] <IceDC571> Xyc0, the sound in my totem player seems not to be working, i just want to make sure
[08:14] <regeya> that's the sound of something flying over IceDC571's head; not sure what it was.
[08:15] <Xyc0> regeya: www.empornium.us
[08:15] <merc> Xyc0: puretna.com is better imo ;)
[08:15] <dougsk> http://tinyurl.com/85fgc has some theora files from the gaudec talk
[08:15] <crimsun> porn is way offtopic. Keep it outta here, please.
[08:15] <Xyc0> IceDC571: www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:16] <IceDC571> Xyc0, are you serious?
[08:16] <Xyc0> IceDC571: that site will help you do alot on ubuntu
[08:16] <zyth> how do I change the default program for opening mp3s on my system?
[08:16] <regeya> sorry, crimsun, and sorry, all, for the sarcasm, since it seems to have been lost on EVERYONE.
[08:16] <IceDC571> we're not supposed to recommend ubuntuguide! i dont need help lol
[08:16] <dougsk> IceDC571, why not? it's a great resource.
[08:16] <gm78> Hey all. Wanna hear something funny (as well as embarrassing)??? That router problem ive been complaining about for days was a problem with my setup of firestarter :P
[08:16] <IceDC571> Xyc0, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines read #3
[08:17] <IceDC571> dougsk, read it too
[08:17] <tag> does ubuntu have apt?
[08:17] <crimsun> regeya: I don't have a problem with it, but some others may, and we cater to those others.
[08:17] <crimsun> tag: yes.
[08:17] <tag> thats what I thought
[08:17] <gm78> tag, yes, ubuntu is based on debian and has apt
[08:17] <sugoruyo> nothin comin out the speakers
[08:17] <IceDC571> I got slammed for recommending ubuntuguide in the first place from the admins here
[08:18] <dougsk> IceDC571, bah. It works, it's in one nice page, I'll admit marillat is probably not that great to install right now
[08:18] <Xyc0> IceDC571: wow I quit linux.  ubuntuguide.org helped me so much more then anything ubuntu put out officially.  I will not stand by idly while elitist oppress the inexperienced
[08:18] <crimsun> sugoruyo: did you ever paste the output from amixer onto pastebin?
[08:18] <sugoruyo> crimsun, i told u i can't get onto pastebin
[08:18] <sugoruyo> i used the one in the topic
[08:19] <crimsun> sugoruyo: there are many pastebins
[08:19] <unome> upgrade time!
[08:19] <crimsun> sugoruyo: just tell me the url you used
[08:19] <sugoruyo> paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:19] <crimsun> (the full url)
[08:19] <IceDC571> Xyc0, i agree actually.. but the admins kill me everytime i mention it
[08:19] <sugoruyo> it's in the topic...
[08:19] <Xyc0> sugoruyo: just use pastbin's main site
[08:19] <crimsun> sugoruyo: (no, your paste)
[08:19] <sugoruyo> wait
[08:19] <Xyc0> IceDC571: then let them do their job, and Ill do mine
[08:19] <sugoruyo> i haven't used a pastebin before
[08:20] <crimsun> IceDC571: / Xyc0: there is NOTHING wrong with recommending ubuntuguide, but always add the disclaimer that it's unofficial.
[08:20] <sugoruyo> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/253
[08:20] <Xyc0> crimsun: dido
[08:20] <regeya> that'd be a great thing for the /topic, crimsun
[08:21] <Alia25> Happy bday to me! :D
[08:21] <topyli> heh. congrats
[08:21] <IceDC571> Alia26, is that your age?
[08:22] <Xyc0> Alia26: Ha ha you should do that in every channel untill your Alia100
[08:22] <Alia26> yep ;)
[08:22] <fr500> can i use htb to throttle down upload traffic?
[08:22] <Alia26> i hope i don't go that far
[08:22] <crimsun> sugoruyo: is that all the output from amixer?
[08:22] <gobeavs> anyone else want xfire ported to linux? :(
[08:22] <sugoruyo> u think something's missing?
[08:22] <crimsun> fr500: you sure can
[08:23] <sugoruyo> maybe i missed it
[08:23] <IceDC571> xfire? hmm..
[08:23] <tag> gm78: During the ubuntu installation it you have to provide a root password right?  (the answer should be "duh" I would think but a non-unix-person friend of mine installed ubuntu and I'm trying to help him, he doesn't seem to know his root password)
[08:23] <sugoruyo> i'll repaste
[08:23] <fr500> crimsun, i set a qdisc just like the one i use for download, and i try an upload, it doesnt work
[08:23] <gobeavs> tag: no, no root password
[08:23] <crimsun> tag: no, there's no place to provide a root password, only a normal person's password.
[08:23] <tag> oh really?
[08:23] <fr500> crimsun, it's a sameple rate limit
[08:23] <gobeavs> tag: yeah, only the users password for sudo
[08:23] <IceDC571> Fedora installation crashes everytime i install it.. maybe its a sign, i should stay away? hahah hmm..
[08:23] <tag> so to switch to uid 0, he doesn't need a password he just enters blank?
[08:23] <tag> oh
[08:23] <tag> so to get uid 0 he needs to use sudo?
[08:24] <tag> that's awfully strange
[08:24] <gobeavs> ubuntu uses sudo
[08:24] <crimsun> fr500: did you follow a traffic-shaping guide?
[08:24] <Xyc0> tag: Ubuntu uses Super user operations, no need for root
[08:24] <gobeavs> you could do "sudo passwd root"
[08:24] <gobeavs> which gives you the option to get a root password, for normal su
[08:24] <fr500> crimsun, not totally, just the basics, but the download throtthling works great
[08:25] <IceDC571> would sudo rm -rf * destroy my whole filesystem?
[08:25] <fr500> IceDC571, depends on what folder are you in :p
[08:25] <IceDC571> i thought recursive.. oh wait im stupid. haha
[08:25] <IceDC571> it would only destroy folders from there on
[08:26] <fr500> crimsun, may i pm u with what am i using?
[08:26] <sugoruyo> crimsun, ok i repasted it but it's the same...
[08:27] <tag> Ok
[08:27] <tag> in ubuntu; where is the apt sources list?
[08:27] <crimsun> fr500: you're better off following a (better) traffic shaping guide
[08:27] <crimsun> tag: the same place it is in Debian, /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:27] <Gumby> does anyone here know of a decent network application that will show all wireless AP's present at a given time and allow me to select it by just clicking on it?
[08:27] <metzen> tag: /etc/apt/source.list
[08:27] <IceDC571> so it would be 'sudo rm -rf /*' ?
[08:27] <fr500> crimsun, yes i know, i'm just testing for now, but i don't know why it isnt working
[08:28] <lancer285> what do I need to play quicktime movies??
[08:28] <metzen> IceDC571: thats a dangerous thing to paste in a newbie help channel
[08:28] <tag> does he have to use sudo to edit it?
[08:28] <jasmuz> lancer285: w32codecs
[08:28] <IceDC571> lancer285, w32codecs
[08:28] <IceDC571> ahh you beat me to it
[08:28] <Xyc0> lancer285: the quicktime codecs
[08:28] <crimsun> sugoruyo: ok, then we'll upgrade alsa-source.
[08:28] <jasmuz> haha!
[08:28] <lancer285> lol, thanks
[08:28] <crimsun> sugoruyo: enable the universe repo, then install linux-headers-$(uname -r), build-essential, and alsa-source
[08:28] <tag> is there a single mode visual editor installed by default in ubuntu?
[08:29] <tag> like ee; pico; something like that.
[08:29] <sugoruyo> crimsun, how the f* do i do all that (i'm just starting)
[08:29] <Xyc0> tag: gedit?
[08:29] <housetier> gedit
[08:29] <sobersabre> hi. why my splashy started being smaller than my monitor ... ?
[08:29] <metzen> tag: nano
[08:29] <crimsun> sugoruyo: wiki/UniversePackages
[08:29] <lancer285> what package are the w32codecs in??
[08:29] <crimsun> sugoruyo: sudo aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source
[08:29] <jasmuz> good night people
[08:30] <IceDC571> am i the only one who uses vi instead of nano?
[08:30] <topyli> lancer285: w32codecs :)
[08:30] <Xyc0> lancer285: sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[08:30] <crimsun> IceDC571: no, everyone else in the world uses emacs.
[08:30] <djs> IceDC571: No :)
[08:30] <metzen> IceDC571: no way
[08:30] <sobersabre> IceDC571, you must feel very special. but vi sux. it is old. use vim !
[08:30] <mikas> i use vim :)
[08:30] <sugoruyo> wait i think i enabled the universe repo reading that (we don't say it's name) guide
[08:30] <IceDC571> vim? hmm...
[08:31] <crimsun> sugoruyo: better ensure you _have_ enabled it :)
[08:31] <Xyc0> gedit is good unless you are trying to look cool while editing files
[08:31] <djs> On ubuntu vi is linked to vim
[08:31] <sobersabre> gedit is great too. but if you work with X
[08:31] <mauper> nedit is the way to go ;)
[08:31] <IceDC571> gedit floods my terminal with unnecessary strings
[08:31] <tag> is there an ubuntu apt source that includes mplayer or can I just give him the debian unstable ones?
[08:31] <lancer285> Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:31] <lancer285> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:31] <lancer285> is only available from another source
[08:31] <lancer285> E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[08:31] <sobersabre> IceDC571, this is because you let it to.
[08:32] <Xyc0> lancer285: dont paste in channel
[08:32] <lancer285> sorry
[08:32] <IceDC571> oh do i? lets see
[08:32] <sobersabre> IceDC571, and you don't have to be neanderthal, you can run gedit without typing gedit.
[08:32] <Xyc0> lancer285: www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:32] <Octane> how would i forcibly remove a package, like in yum --force
[08:32] <sugoruyo> crimsun, i have uncommented the 2 lines indicated in sources.list
[08:32] <sugoruyo> would that be enough?
[08:32] <crimsun> sugoruyo: hopefully the appropriate 2 lines ;)
[08:33] <Xyc0> lancer285: click the link, How to install Multimedia Codecs?
[08:33] <djs> tag: Add multiverse to the repositories
[08:33] <sugoruyo> crimsun, deb http://gr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[08:33] <IceDC571> wait, gedit doesnt leave crap in my terminal anymore.. wow.. i never noticed that
[08:33] <crimsun> sugoruyo: looks good
[08:33] <sugoruyo> crimsun, & the 1 below with -src
[08:33] <sugoruyo> so what's the next step?
[08:34] <gehel> Hello ! I'd like to start gaim each time I login under X11. Where should I do that ?
[08:34] <crimsun> sugoruyo: I gave you the next step; scroll up and execute that aptitude command
[08:34] <IceDC571> last time i was using fedora and it gave me a bunch of gtk warnings when i launched gedit from the terminal
[08:34] <IceDC571> i love Ubuntu!
[08:34] <Xyc0> lancer285: http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs  sorry forgot i could send that link
[08:34] <Darkfusion> Will Ubuntu detect and configure properly if connected to an HDTV?
[08:35] <monchichi> gehel: just leave gaim running, logout and check "save .."
[08:35] <Xyc0> IceDC571: yea, i tried pushing FC, but ubuntu makes so much sence
[08:35] <lancer285> Xyc0 thanks for the help!
[08:35] <Xyc0> lancer285: sure, take a look around that site, it helps a ton
[08:36] <sugoruyo> crimsun, ok dling about 40 megs
[08:36] <lancer285> Xyc0, totall, i'll BM it.
[08:36] <IceDC571> Xyc0, well.. the 4 cds download everytime they release a new version is enough to make me switch
[08:36] <gehel> monchichi, right, I didnt think of that one ! Thanks ! But I'm still curious, where is it saved ? I thought there  was a .xinitrc, but cant find it back ...
[08:36] <Octane> can someone please tell me how i could forcibly remove a package that has deps
[08:37] <IceDC571> apt-get for rpms.. hehehe
[08:38] <Xyc0> IceDC571: you only need to use 3, and there are workarounds where you dont have to burn them to disks.  But overall, ubuntu is focused on practicality, where FC4 is focused on testing new software for RHE
[08:38] <sugoruyo> can anyone tell me something about non-english support?
[08:39] <fr500> crimsun, i think you need imq for ingress shaping
[08:39] <concept10> Octane, why do you want to do that
[08:39] <fr500> crimsun, still a lot to red fegt
[08:39] <fr500> left
[08:39] <djs> Octane: Typing "dpkg --force-help" in a terminal window gives some pointers
[08:39] <monchichi> gehel: there is ~/.gnome2/session-manual, or there is also a gui editor in system->administration->sessions or something like that, im not in gnome right now so im not sure exactly
[08:41] <monchichi> gehel: i think you can use a .xinitrc too, but dont do that, i think that would make gaim will run before gnome-session
[08:41] <gehel> monchichi, ok, thanks a lot ! I'll have a look at ~/.gnome2 ...
[08:42] <IceDC571> im really waiting for gaim to support direct connections properly
[08:43] <topyli> sugoruyo: there are local groups. there are also #ubuntu-xx channels on freenode on several locales
[08:43] <Octane> djs: thank you
[08:43] <Xyc0> IceDC571: DC on gaim works well with other gaim users
[08:43] <djs> Octane: yw
[08:44] <IceDC571> Xyc0, nice.. now i gotta get all my windows friends to switch
[08:44] <IceDC571> i wonder if its possible to run wine with the old aim versions
[08:44] <sugoruyo> topyli, thanks but there's no -el channel
[08:45] <topyli> sugoruyo: you have to found one :)
[08:45] <sugoruyo> topyli, well i would if i was good enough with linux..
[08:46] <sugoruyo> topyli, and also if the locals hanged out more on freenode
[08:46] <Octane> ugh, now i cant apt-build install cuz its missing a dep
[08:46] <sugoruyo> topyli, it's something to do with fonts i think
[08:46] <topyli> sugoruyo: advertise your channel on local media and hopefully the gurus will come chat on it
[08:47] <sugoruyo> topyli, local media don't give a dime about computers and especially linux'
[08:48] <sugoruyo> topyli, i could try founding one with a friend from debian-dev on the local irc network though
[08:48] <topyli> sugoruyo: perhaps the local debian community could even help :)
[08:48] <sugoruyo> topyli, in the meantime i just need the ability to read/write greek in abiword/openoffice
[08:48] <sugoruyo> topyli, i doubt that
[08:49] <sugoruyo> topyli, they're mad at ubuntu
[08:49] <tag> uhm
[08:49] <tag> why would apt in ubuntu ask for a cdrom?
[08:49] <sobersabre> sugoruyo, you need to be a leader, to be kool... so people wanna be like you... and hang around with you ...
[08:49] <sobersabre> and about greek... just define the proper locale, and install greek fonts.
[08:50] <monchichi> tag: check your /etc/apt/sources.lst
[08:50] <sugoruyo> sobersabre, what's that got to do with debian folks being mad at ubuntu?
[08:50] <IceDC571> http://www.finnie.org/stuff/ubuntu-porn/ i found this while searching ubuntu in google image search
[08:50] <djs> tag: to save you bandwidth - if the version of the package you're installing is the same as on the install CD
[08:50] <sugoruyo> sobersabre, it's the installing fonts i don't how to do...
[08:50] <monchichi> tag: and comment out the cd
[08:50] <Octane> lol IceDC571
[08:50] <IceDC571> why does ubuntu have people modeling naked?
[08:50] <sobersabre> sugoruyo, apt-get install ...
[08:50] <sobersabre> then in oo
[08:50] <monchichi> whats wrong with people modeling naked?
[08:50] <sugoruyo> sobersabre, go on go on
[08:51] <IceDC571> nothing :)
[08:51] <sobersabre> you have a oopadmin or oopadmin2 ( depends on the version )
[08:51] <topyli> sugoruyo: sometimes debianites don't like ubuntu that's true. it's not always true on the local level though
[08:51] <sobersabre> and u need to point it to the fonts.
[08:52] <sugoruyo> topyli, well it is particularly true on MY local level
[08:52] <sobersabre> maybe you need to run this padmin tool as root.
[08:52] <sobersabre> play with it.
[08:52] <topyli> hrm
[08:53] <sugoruyo> sobersabre, can u give some guideline on what to do with this?
[08:53] <sugoruyo> i had done this in the past but i forgot :(
[08:53] <sobersabre> it is GUI. what guidelines do you need!?!?
[08:53] <sobersabre> go to font's , add, select, apply , ok blablabla
[08:53] <Octane> after i do an apt-build is there a way to force install what i just built from source
[08:54] <s0n1cm0nk3y> anybody know a good serv and channel to ask about windows managers?
[08:54] <topyli> Octane: if you built it on your box, it should install cleanly i'm sure :)
[08:54] <sugoruyo> sobersabre, i only see font replacement
[08:54] <sobersabre> no.
[08:54] <topyli> sugoruyo: you have the wrong tools
[08:55] <monchichi> s0n1cm0nk3y: about window managers in general or a specific one..?
[08:55] <s0n1cm0nk3y> in general
[08:55] <sobersabre> there is special SPadmin tool in ubuntu it is named oopadmin
[08:55] <s0n1cm0nk3y> still deciding
[08:55] <s0n1cm0nk3y> pref flux and gnome
[08:55] <sugoruyo> in oo.org help it says i got to use ./spadmin in the oo.org dir
[08:55] <crimsun> sugoruyo: finished installing yet? I have to sleep soon.
[08:55] <sobersabre> sugoruyo, and you need to run it via sudo
[08:55] <sobersabre> to be root.
[08:55] <sugoruyo> crimsun, sorry i'm on 384k adsl
[08:55] <sugoruyo> crimsun, i'm going full speed but i need some time
[08:56] <sugoruyo> crimsun, 2 more minutes
[08:56] <s0n1cm0nk3y> LOL
[08:56] <s0n1cm0nk3y> ....sorry, watching monty python and the holy grail as i talk on irc
[08:56] <s0n1cm0nk3y> put that up so there wasnt any confusion on what i was laughing at
[08:56] <sugoruyo> sobersabre, i still get the same stuff
[08:57] <monchichi> s0n1cm0nk3y: umm.. i dont know? are you looking for developers? try #e #fluxbox #gnome etc..
[08:57] <s0n1cm0nk3y> monchichi : just a place to ask questions
[08:57] <sobersabre> i am sorry... press all the buttons until you get to the fonts.
[08:57] <monchichi> s0n1cm0nk3y: ask here :)
[08:57] <sobersabre> i won't launch it now. no way
[08:57] <parabolize> s0n1cm0nk3y: ask
[08:58] <s0n1cm0nk3y> lol
[08:58] <s0n1cm0nk3y> okay
[08:58] <merc> xwinman.org has lots of screenies etc
[08:58] <merc> with links to homepages blah blah
[08:58] <s0n1cm0nk3y> whoops
[08:58] <parabolize> lol
[08:58] <merc> xwinman.org has lots of screenies etc
[08:58] <s0n1cm0nk3y> hehehe, accidently canceled out
[08:58] <s0n1cm0nk3y> okay first off
[08:58] <s0n1cm0nk3y> does flux support transparent panels?
[08:58] <gallonegro> hmm anyone know they can help me fix my sound, it sounds like its mono, and sratchy
[08:58] <gallonegro> and its not the speakers
[08:59] <sugoruyo> sobersabre, i go to oo.org
[08:59] <sugoruyo> help
[08:59] <sugoruyo> and it says open ./spadmin from installpath.
[08:59] <topyli> gallonegro: ooh. hi-fi console beeps :)
[08:59] <sugoruyo> what is the installpath for oo.org
[08:59] <sugoruyo> ??
[08:59] <monchichi> s0n1cm0nk3: yes, but its panel isnt really a panel..
[08:59] <s0n1cm0nk3y> i know it kind of does, but i mean like full transparent
[08:59] <sugoruyo> crimsun, ok done
[08:59] <s0n1cm0nk3y> so i can just have the font
[08:59] <sugoruyo> crimsun, what now??
[09:00] <gallonegro> huh, no mp3, cd's and everything else sounds like crap
[09:00] <crimsun> sugoruyo: cd /usr/src && sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[09:00] <crimsun> sugoruyo: choose "no" for PnP, "yes" for debug, and the emu10k1 driver
[09:00] <monchichi> s0n1cm0nk3: im not sure, i havent used in a long time, i think so though, you can set the opacity to 0 in the menu
[09:01] <sugoruyo> i did now what?
[09:01] <s0n1cm0nk3y> monchichi : how you configure it, i tried using it on ubuntu, but all i got was a blank right click menu
[09:01] <s0n1cm0nk3y> monchichi : do you have to modify a file or something/
[09:02] <crimsun> sugoruyo: sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[09:02] <monchichi> s0n1cm0nk3y: i really dont know... try #fluxbox
[09:02] <s0n1cm0nk3y> k
[09:02] <s0n1cm0nk3y> monchichi : umm.....then i could ask you about gnome, or are you not using gnome/
[09:03] <monchichi> s0n1cm0nk3y: i use gnome and e17 ;)
[09:03] <parabolize> s0n1cm0nk3y: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docbook/en/html/
[09:04] <sugoruyo> crimsun, damn man, that's a lot of stuff....
[09:04] <s0n1cm0nk3y> monchichi : whats e17? enlightenment?
[09:04] <parabolize> yes
[09:04] <parabolize> new enlightenment
[09:04] <topyli> crimsun: heh. that's a one-liner. just paste it in :)
[09:04] <sugoruyo> crimsun, what exactly am i doing right now?
[09:05] <crimsun> sugoruyo: you're taking over the world.
[09:05] <sugoruyo> crimsun, lol
[09:05] <topyli> sugoruyo: i menant you, not crimsun ^
[09:05] <crimsun> sugoruyo: seriously, though, you're compiling a new driver version
[09:05] <sugoruyo> crimsun, ok
[09:05] <sugoruyo> topyli, i wasn't talking about the typing
[09:05] <topyli> sugoruyo: you actually want to know. that's good
[09:06] <sobersabre> cr
[09:06] <sobersabre> sugoruyo, did u add the fonts ?
[09:06] <sugoruyo> topyli, no big deal, it just started churning out thousands of lines with filenames & stuff
[09:06] <sugoruyo> sobersabre, no yet
[09:06] <sugoruyo> sobersabre, when i'm done crimsun who needs sleep :)
[09:07] <sugoruyo> sobersabre, i think i know the problem though
[09:07] <sugoruyo> sobersabre, i need to run it from the installpath
[09:07] <sugoruyo> sobersabre, seems there's 2 spadmin programs
[09:07] <sobersabre> do u have ooo2 or ooo ?
[09:08] <s0n1cm0nk3y> monchichi : so what is e17?
[09:08] <sugoruyo> sobersabre, 1 in ~ & 1 in /usr/lib
[09:09] <sugoruyo> crimsun, ok done
[09:09] <sugoruyo> crimsun, what now?
[09:09] <monchichi> s0n1cm0nk3y: its the new enlightenment
[09:10] <parabolize> s0n1cm0nk3y: http://enlightenment.org/Enlightenment/DR17/index.html
[09:10] <crimsun> sugoruyo: ls ../*.deb
[09:10] <monchichi> s0n1cm0nk3y: still under development, but mostly functional
[09:11] <sugoruyo> crimsun, ok i say a deb file, i think i just created it...
[09:11] <s0n1cm0nk3y> sounds sweet
[09:11] <crimsun> sugoruyo: sudo dpkg -i ../*.deb
[09:11] <phyz> hi
[09:11] <phyz> huhuhuhhuu
[09:11] <phyz> help me pls
[09:11] <phyz> i needed help
[09:11] <sugoruyo> crimsun, ok installing
[09:11] <parabolize> s0n1cm0nk3y: e16 on the other hand is very stable.
[09:11] <phyz> huhuhuhu
[09:11] <monchichi> s0n1cm0nk3y: its going to be sickwhen complete, packed with eye-candy but runs fast
[09:12] <phyz> somebody help me
[09:12] <phyz> my detection wizard failure
[09:12] <topyli> phyz: you haven't asked, you're just flooding the channel :)
[09:12] <parabolize> and a good file manager. ;)
[09:12] <s0n1cm0nk3y> meh
[09:12] <s0n1cm0nk3y> im a minimalist
[09:12] <phyz> i cannot browse internet
[09:12] <sugoruyo> crimsun, i just got some message box in gnome saying sound volume control terminated unxepectedly, and the term command just finished
[09:12] <s0n1cm0nk3y> but i do like this one http://enlightenment.org/Enlightenment/DR17/index.html
[09:12] <sugoruyo> crimsun, so now what?
[09:12] <monchichi> oh its minimal
[09:12] <parabolize> s0n1cm0nk3y: use open box then
[09:12] <monchichi> but sexy minimal
[09:13] <phyz> huhuhu
[09:13] <crimsun> sugoruyo: good, now log out and back in
[09:13] <phyz> someone
[09:13] <s0n1cm0nk3y> lol
[09:13] <s0n1cm0nk3y> ill have to check it out when i get gentoo up and running
[09:13] <sugoruyo> crimsun, and that should do it?
[09:14] <topyli> phyz: we still don't know what you're doing and what is failing. "cannot browse the net" is not much to go on
[09:14] <parabolize> s0n1cm0nk3y: somebody on the forms made a deb for e17 i think.
[09:14] <parabolize> *forums
[09:14] <s0n1cm0nk3y> deb as in debian?
[09:14] <parabolize> yes
[09:14] <monchichi> or theres a script for e17 out there that will download the cvs and build it automagically
[09:15] <topyli> deb as in ubuntu
[09:15] <k1> hey i've just got this gps device, plugging it into my usb port and trying to use gpsdrive, but i don't know what the interface is for it. how do I find it?
[09:15] <phyz> my firefox browser cannot browse anywebsite even ubuntu.org
[09:15] <phyz> so what should i do
[09:15] <topyli> phyz: can you ping any sites? try "ping google.com"
[09:15] <sugoruyo> crimsun, u there?
[09:15] <phyz> but now i'm chatting in xirc with no problem
[09:16] <phyz> who's from malaysia?
[09:16] <topyli> no, they're british i think
[09:16] <crimsun> sugoruyo: sure
[09:17] <sugoruyo> crimsun, 1 last thing: can u tell me: a. where to find the stuff i dled
[09:17] <crimsun> sugoruyo: which stuff?
[09:17] <phyz> erm..
[09:17] <unome> !backports
[09:17] <ubotu> I heard backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[09:17] <sugoruyo> crimsun, b. what the commands that i run were?
[09:17] <s0n1cm0nk3y> monchichi : does e 17 have full pictured desktop switchers like this one http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=189090298541c9ed4687972&m=screen ?
[09:17] <sugoruyo> crimsun, i just dled some files didn't i?
[09:17] <s0n1cm0nk3y> cuz that looks great
[09:17] <phyz> ok ok..
[09:18] <phyz> i was one of malaysian newbie
[09:18] <phyz> so pls help me
[09:18] <parabolize> s0n1cm0nk3y: i think that is e17. ;)
[09:19] <crimsun> sugoruyo: but _which_ files?
[09:19] <monchichi> s0n1cm0nk3y: yeah, it has a great pager
[09:19] <crimsun> sugoruyo: the source files are in /usr/src
[09:19] <s0n1cm0nk3y> yeah
[09:19] <s0n1cm0nk3y> gnome is okay
[09:19] <phyz> is there's manual configuration to detect for my smartlink pci modem because my ubuntu hardware detection wizard were failure..stuck when reach mouse detection
[09:19] <s0n1cm0nk3y> but i have the basic outlines
[09:19] <sugoruyo> crimsun, what do u mean which files?, any file i just dled
[09:19] <s0n1cm0nk3y> not as cool or sleek as that
[09:19] <crimsun> sugoruyo: the binaries of the build-dependencies are cached in /var/cache/apt/archives
[09:20] <sugoruyo> aha
[09:20] <monchichi> s0n1cm0nk3y: thats an e16 screenshot tho, i think
[09:20] <monchichi> cause of the epplets and iconbox
[09:20] <crimsun> sugoruyo: there's a distinction between the files you downloaded and the file you used to compile the new drivers
[09:20] <s0n1cm0nk3y> err ok
[09:20] <crimsun> sugoruyo: that's why I asked "which files"
[09:20] <sugoruyo> crimsun, can u explain a bit?
[09:20] <monchichi> s0n1cm0nk3y: but the e17 pager is great, and that icon launcher on the bottom is "engage"
[09:21] <crimsun> sugoruyo: normally when you install a package, the files are cached in /var/cache/apt/archives
[09:21] <phyz> so
[09:21] <sugoruyo> crimsun, i know that from using synaptic
[09:21] <parabolize> monchichi: you sure? it has engage on there...
[09:21] <sugoruyo> crimsun, i just would like u to explain the process i just performed
[09:21] <crimsun> sugoruyo: but the case of ubuntuized kernel module source means that _those_ are placed in /usr/src, not /var/cache/apt/archives
[09:21] <phyz> should i download anyfile for my smartlink pic modem?
[09:22] <crimsun> sugoruyo: the first thing you did was install the required packages for building the newer drivers.
[09:22] <sugoruyo> crimsun, u know like a very brief description of what each command does
[09:22] <crimsun> sugoruyo: then, simply, you built the new drivers.
[09:22] <_0kills> night everybody
[09:22] <monchichi> parabolize: no, not sure, but i think engage will run in any environment
[09:23] <parabolize> monchichi: yes it will. but why build all the stuff for it and not e17?
[09:23] <sugoruyo> crimsun, sorry for bugging about that but can you tell me the commands again, cause i can't scroll up to them any more
[09:23] <sugoruyo> crimsun, and stupidly :( i didn't copy-paste 'em somewhere
[09:24] <crimsun> sugoruyo: ok, you installed the build-dependencies, then you configured the alsa-source package (telling the Debian package management system to compile emu10k1 drivers), then you extracted the kernel source, then you used the Ubuntu infrastructure to compile the drivers, then you installed the compiled drivers
[09:24] <crimsun> sugoruyo: cd /usr/src && sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[09:24] <sugoruyo> crimsun, damn *I* did all that? man I'm good... :D
[09:24] <crimsun> sugoruyo: choose "no" for PnP, "yes" for debug, and the emu10k1 driver
[09:24] <monchichi> parabolize: good question. :) maybe for stability..?
[09:25] <crimsun> sugoruyo: sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[09:25] <crimsun> I really need to sleep, though
[09:25] <sugoruyo> crimsun, i know sorry for keeping u soooooo long
[09:26] <crimsun> sugoruyo: so, any luck with the new drivers?
[09:26] <sugoruyo> crimsun, i just thought i should keep that archived for future use
[09:26] <sugoruyo> i'll try  now
[09:26] <sugoruyo> crimsun, good zzzzz's thanks a lot
[09:27] <crimsun> well, at least let me know if it works or not
[09:27] <monchichi> s0n1cm0nk3y: http://get-e.org is a good resource if you decide to check out e17
[09:27] <sugoruyo> crimsun, sure wait a sec
[09:28] <cyphase> I have a problem with my Internet. Anyone know how to get the screens smaller?
[09:29] <sugoruyo> crimsun, it works like a charm
[09:30] <crimsun> good.
[09:30] <crimsun> -> Z
[09:30] <sugoruyo> crimsun, 2 more q's plz?
[09:30] <crimsun> sure
[09:30] <sugoruyo> crimsun, a.can i make those into a script?
[09:30] <crimsun> sugoruyo: sure
[09:30] <zoople> hello good people :-)
[09:30] <sugoruyo> crimsun, it will work in kde right?
[09:30] <crimsun> sugoruyo: sure
[09:31] <s0n1cm0nk3y> i know its off subject
[09:31] <s0n1cm0nk3y> but anybody seen the lindsay lohan ep of snl
[09:31] <s0n1cm0nk3y> lol
[09:31] <zoople>  just wondering if anyone can help me get my network printer to work with ubuntu
[09:31] <s0n1cm0nk3y> funny stuff, watching it now
[09:31] <sugoruyo> crimsun, ok so for the script i just place 'em in a text file change the perms and execute?
[09:31] <crimsun> sugoruyo: you may
[09:31] <sugoruyo> crimsun, i didn't make any decisions myself so it is pretty straightforward
[09:32] <sugoruyo> crimsun, just a bunch( or batch :) of commands
[09:32] <sugoruyo> crimsun, thanks a whole
[09:32] <sugoruyo> crimsun, lot
[09:32] <sugoruyo> crimsun, i've been trying forever
[09:32] <parabolize> cyphase: alt + middle mouse botton drag?
[09:32] <crimsun> np. Keep in mind these commands are documented in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian
[09:32] <sugoruyo> crimsun, ok i really shouldn't keep you any longer
[09:32] <parabolize> button, whatever
[09:33] <sugoruyo> crimsun, nice
[09:33] <sugoruyo> crimsun, 1 problem i always have with linux is not knowing where to start with the docs :D so many
[09:33] <sugoruyo> crimsun, i didn't know about these though
[09:34] <sugoruyo> crimsun, ok guess u've had enough of me, i'll shut up now
[09:34] <crimsun> np, I'd be glad to stay, but I have to work in a few hours and am not as young as I used to be
[09:34] <cyphase> parabolize, i was kidding you know
[09:35] <sugoruyo> crimsun, oh one last thingy
[09:35] <sugoruyo> crimsun, sorry
[09:35] <sugoruyo> crimsun, but amarok won't make any sound? :(
[09:35] <parabolize> cyphase: sure, just make me look stupid... :P
[09:36] <sugoruyo> crimsun, don't care about amarok in specific but i'm thinking kde apps might not like my audigy being the second audio card
[09:36] <sugoruyo> crimsun, so where should i look to make it the first one?
[09:37] <sugoruyo> crimsun, or should i just disable the on-board one from bios?
[09:37] <crimsun> sugoruyo: echo "options snd-intel8x0 index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[09:38] <sugoruyo> crimsun, will this add the echoed line in the file/
[09:38] <topyli> sugoruyo: the onboard chip might add some confusion. it did for me
[09:38] <sugoruyo> ?
[09:38] <topyli> i disabled it
[09:38] <crimsun> sugoruyo: yes.
[09:39] <sugoruyo> crimsun, ok so log in again right?
[09:40] <crimsun> sugoruyo: no, for that you need to restart ALSA or simply reboot
[09:40] <crimsun> but you don't _have_ to reboot
[09:40] <sugoruyo> crimsun, that's no prob
[09:40] <crimsun> sudo invoke-rc.d alsa force-reload
[09:40] <sugoruyo> crimsun, good
[09:43] <sugoruyo> still no sound from amarok...
[09:44] <sugoruyo> no juk as well
[09:44] <ivoks_reviewer> engine in amarok is?
[09:44] <Amaranth> ivoks_reviewer: it can be gstreamer, i guess
[09:45] <ivoks_reviewer> Amaranth: i know that
[09:45] <sugoruyo> no matter i like gnome better than kde
[09:45] <ivoks_reviewer> Amaranth: but what does sugoruyo has?
[09:45] <sugoruyo> i think
[09:45] <sugoruyo> ivoks_reviewer, what?
[09:45] <ivoks_reviewer> sugoruyo: what engine did you setup in amarok?
[09:45] <Amaranth> sugoruyo: If you like GNOME why not use rhythmbox or muine? :)
[09:46] <sugoruyo> i didn't set any engine
[09:46] <srbaker> yo
[09:46] <srbaker> i have an ipod and a usb key
[09:46] <sugoruyo> Amaranth, i just test kde as well to see if everything works ok
[09:46] <ivoks_reviewer> sugoruyo: set it to gstreamer
[09:46] <srbaker> both show up as /dev/sda1 (i never put them in at the same time)
[09:46] <srbaker> is it possible to tell fstab that my ipod should be /media/ipod, and the key /media/key?
[09:46] <unome> xine engine works better
[09:46] <d-man> hey
[09:46] <srbaker> or hotplug, or whatever?
[09:47] <sugoruyo> ivoks_reviewer, i have only 'no engine' in amarok menu
[09:47] <ivoks_reviewer> srbaker: via udev, yes
[09:47] <sugoruyo> ivoks_reviewer, :-/
[09:47] <ivoks_reviewer> sugoruyo: that's the problem :)
[09:47] <zoople> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[09:47] <srbaker> ivoks_reviewer, where do i look for docs on that?
[09:47] <zoople> ?
[09:47] <ivoks_reviewer> sugoruyo: install amarok-gstreamer
[09:47] <Amaranth> srbaker: I don't think the key is a seperate partition.
[09:47] <sugoruyo> ivoks_reviewer, apt-get i guess?
[09:47] <srbaker> well, whichever.
[09:47] <d-man> does anyone in here have any experience in promoting software?
[09:47] <srbaker> i forget
[09:47] <topyli> zoople: apt-get install build-essential
[09:47] <ivoks_reviewer> sugoruyo: right
[09:47] <ivoks_reviewer> srbaker: well, there are examples on the ned
[09:47] <ivoks_reviewer> srbaker: well, there are examples on the net
[09:47] <sugoruyo> i've no idea about apt though
[09:48] <black-whisp> hmm how do i remove a program that is not installed with apt???
[09:48] <srbaker> ivoks_reviewer, url me?
[09:48] <unome> find the files and delete them
[09:48] <ivoks_reviewer> srbaker: basicly, you have to make udev create /dev/stick device
[09:48] <sugoruyo> ivoks_reviewer, still no sound
[09:48] <ivoks_reviewer> srbaker: i don't know any URL
[09:48] <ivoks_reviewer> sugoruyo: sudo apt-get install amarok-gstreamer
[09:48] <hyphenated> black-whisp: did you compile it yourself?
[09:48] <sugoruyo> ivoks_reviewer, do i need to restart alsa for this to work?
[09:48] <sugoruyo> ivoks_reviewer, i just did
[09:48] <ivoks_reviewer> sugoruyo: and then choose gstreamer for an engine
[09:48] <black-whisp> hyphenated: i installled it from a .sh  file.
[09:49] <sugoruyo> i see aRts only
[09:49] <ivoks_reviewer> that's not ok
[09:49] <ivoks_reviewer> there must be gstreamer
[09:49] <sugoruyo> ivoks_reviewer, ok now i see gstreamer as well
[09:49] <sugoruyo> ivoks_reviewer, yeah you're right it works
[09:49] <sugoruyo> how about juk though
[09:49] <lopster> Hello
[09:49] <ivoks_reviewer> sugoruyo: sugoruyo are you in gnome or kde?
[09:49] <unome> black-whisp: check if it has an uninstall script .sh uninstall
[09:49] <sugoruyo> gnome
[09:49] <ivoks_reviewer> ok
[09:50] <ivoks_reviewer> set it to gstreamer and then try
[09:50] <zoople> thanks
[09:50] <phyz> erm..
[09:50] <zoople> topyli: thanks
[09:50] <sugoruyo> ok juk output set to gstreamer an works
[09:50] <sugoruyo> thanks a lot ppl
[09:50] <sugoruyo> everything works now
[09:50] <ivoks_reviewer> time to eat :)
[09:51] <sugoruyo> crimsun, thanks again
[09:51] <zoople> configure: error: zinf needs zlib installed ??
[09:52] <kupa> hi.. can some help me with the cd of ubuntu?
[09:52] <kupa> live cd
[09:52] <Tomcat_> Ha ha! Your puny viruses won't work on my mighty Ubuntu system!! O_O
[09:53] <topyli> zoople: install the zlib-dev package
[09:53] <kupa> ya i need with that...
[09:53] <kupa> the live cd,
[09:53] <topyli> zoople: and -dev packages for other stuff it may complain about
[09:53] <bob2> zoople: zlib1g-dev
[09:53] <cafuego> It's not that sort of virus
[09:53] <kupa> something about x sever
[09:53] <unome> hi bob2!
[09:53] <bob2> hi
[09:54] <kupa> anyone?
[09:54] <darkmantux> hi!
[09:54] <darkmantux> of spain
[09:54] <bob2> you'd need to tell us the error
[09:54] <darkmantux> ;-)
[09:54] <kupa> ok
[09:54] <zoople> how do i install then
[09:55] <kupa> ror: temperaly failer in name resoulishion
[09:55] <topyli> zoople: install what?
[09:55] <bob2> it actually says "ror"?
[09:55] <zoople> the zlib-dev
[09:55] <kupa> ya
[09:55] <bob2> and presumably it says "temporary failure in name resolution"
[09:55] <kupa> ya
[09:55] <unome> lol
[09:55] <zalim> good day
[09:56] <topyli> zoople: bob2 found the exact package, so you do apt-get install zlib1g-dev
[09:56] <Ghetek> how do i get this in my repos? http://www.libsdl.org/download-1.2.php
[09:56] <kupa> it said go here wiki.w.org
[09:56] <bob2> Ghetek: you don't
[09:56] <bob2> Ghetek: ubuntu has libsdl 1.2 already
[09:56] <zalim> how do i change my hardware setup (sound driver)
[09:56] <zoople> wow..u guys are smark
[09:56] <zoople> *smart
[09:56] <zoople> how do you know all this
[09:56] <Ghetek> bob2: i cant install a program b/c it says i need it
[09:56] <bob2> zalim: rebooting should be plenty
[09:56] <Ghetek> im on kubuntu
[09:57] <topyli> zoople: because we can build packages? heh
[09:57] <bob2> Ghetek: then install it using synaptic
[09:57] <bob2> Ghetek: what are you trying to install?
[09:57] <zoople> well..better than me
[09:57] <zoople> :p
[09:57] <Ghetek> bob2: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/yabause/yabause-0.0.7.tar.gz?use_mirror=easynews
[09:57] <kupa> ok  its saying ror:temporary failure in name resolution
[09:57] <zoople> is there a good FAQ or guide i should read
[09:57] <Ghetek> its a sega saturn emulatoro
[09:57] <topyli> zoople: build a few, you will know what i know. it's not very much :)
[09:57] <zalim> no, from the begining it does not give any sound. before this i'd install fedora core and the sound system perfect
[09:58] <kupa> ok  its saying ror:temporary failure in name resolution any help :(
[09:58] <kupa> it said go here wiki.w.org
[09:58] <bob2> kupa: what's your native language?
[09:58] <zoople> configure: error: zinf needs GDBM installed/// k guts..wheres that one
[09:58] <zoople> :p
[09:59] <kupa> lol
[09:59] <bob2> Ghetek: install libsdl1.2-dev, for a start
[09:59] <kupa> perl...
[09:59] <bob2> zoople: zinf is in ubuntu, dude
[09:59] <IceDC571> omg why are people running firefox and thunderbird under wine?
[09:59] <Ghetek> bob2: ok thanks you
[09:59] <zoople> where?
[09:59] <kupa> Spanish
[09:59] <topyli> lol
[09:59] <bob2> kupa: try #ubuntu-es
[10:00] <kupa> ok
[10:00] <kupa> why?
[10:00] <kupa> you guys cant help?
[10:00] <bob2> they might be able to help you better
[10:00] <kupa> why?
[10:00] <kupa> just, asking
[10:01] <kupa> lol its Spanish
[10:01] <kupa> ok
[10:01] <bob2> yes
[10:01] <kupa> dude i need work on my English
[10:01] <topyli> zoople: anyway, if you want exercize, you might try building it though. now when it complains about gdbm, you do "apt-cache search gdbm | grep -dev" and maybe will see a promising package to install
[10:01] <kupa> ok  its saying ror:temporary failure in name resolution any help :(
[10:01] <kupa> anyone?
[10:02] <bob2> you'd need to do "grep -- -dev"
[10:02] <kupa> ?
[10:02] <topyli> bob2: why --?
[10:02] <bob2> topyli: otherwise the argument parser will pick up -d -e and -v
[10:02] <zoople> ok
[10:02] <topyli> bob2: damn
[10:03] <kupa> ok  its saying ror:temporary failure in name resolution any help :(
[10:03] <bob2> which is fair enough, and why -- was invented ;0
[10:03] <bob2> kupa: doesn't look like it, unfortunately
[10:03] <kupa> look like what?
[10:03] <bob2> like anyone can hel pyou
[10:03] <kupa> you can?
[10:04] <topyli> bob2: actually, i don't think i ever grepped for -dev but dev :)
[10:04] <zoople> grep: unknown directories method
[10:04] <bob2> zoople: as above, grep -- -dev
[10:04] <kupa> ok thanks for your time....
[10:04] <kupa> :-(
[10:04] <topyli> zoople: my command was wrong
[10:04] <zoople> k
[10:05] <zoople> what do i write
[10:05] <topyli> zoople: apt-cache search gdbm |grep -- -dev
[10:06] <zoople> k
[10:06] <zoople> now what
[10:07] <topyli> zoople: did you get any promising looking packages as output from the command?
[10:07] <zoople> libgdbm-dev - GNU dbm database routines (development files)
[10:07] <topyli> so apt-get install that
[10:07] <zoople> what does that mean
[10:08] <bob2> zoople: you know there's no reason at all to compile zinf, right?
[10:08] <zoople> no idea what that means
[10:08] <topyli> zoople: yeah, as i said this has turned into an exercise
[10:08] <bob2> zoople: sudo apt-get install zinf
[10:08] <bob2> zoople: then run the "zinf" command
[10:08] <bob2> zoople: all done!
[10:08] <topyli> :)
[10:08] <zoople> haha
[10:09] <zoople> so how would i know to do that?
[10:09] <topyli> gtg zoople, enjoy the compile (or zinf)
[10:09] <zoople> k thanks
[10:09] <bob2> zoople: before trying to compile something, you'd run "apt-cache search zinf" and see if it's in ubuntu already
[10:09] <bob2> almost everything you could want is already
[10:09] <zoople> cool
[10:10] <zoople> k
[10:10] <zoople> cool
[10:10] <black-whisp> Black
[10:10] <zoople> so now thats done
[10:10] <zoople> how do i run
[10:14] <barbas> hi everybody
[10:15] <Ghetek> ugh is there no shockwave for firefox?!
[10:15] <barbas> does anyone know how can we configure /dev/parport on hoary?
[10:15] <cyphase> Ghetek, of course there is
[10:15] <barbas> I need it to get parallel port support in vmware workstation
[10:15] <Ghetek> cyphase: not on the firefox plugin site
[10:16] <Ghetek> cyphase: it has shockwave for windows and mac and not linux
[10:16] <barbas> anyone?
[10:16] <Ghetek> and shocwave.com couldnt get it
[10:17] <monchichi> barbas: run modprobe parport
[10:17] <ribs> shockwave doesn't exist in Linux unless you use something like crossover
[10:17] <cyphase> Ghetek, ubuntu has it already
[10:17] <cyphase> in the repositories
[10:17] <Ghetek> cyphase i just checked the repos
[10:18] <erb> hello
[10:18] <barbas> monchichi: parport module was already loaded, as was parport_pc. I run your command but still nothing
[10:18] <phyz> shockwave already installed in ubuntu?
[10:18] <cyphase> Ghetek, are you sure? did you enable universe/mulitverse?
[10:19] <Ghetek> yup
[10:19] <cyphase> well, i don't know, because it's working for me
[10:19] <Ghetek> cyphase: http://www.miniclip.com/fleaworld/fleaworld.htm
[10:19] <cyphase> i'm playing a game on shockwave.com right now
[10:19] <Ghetek> is tha working?
[10:19] <cyphase> lemme see
[10:19] <monchichi> barbas: hmm
[10:19] <Ghetek> hmm
[10:20] <phyz> oo
[10:20] <phyz> wow,it's great
[10:20] <phyz> cyphase,how long you've been used ubuntu?
[10:20] <cyphase> phyz, hmm..
[10:20] <barbas> monchichi: I used that as help http://www.vmware.com/support/ws5/doc/ws_devices_parallel_configure_linux.html
[10:20] <cyphase> well, since 4.10
[10:20] <cyphase> but i can't remember exaactly..
[10:20] <barbas> I don't have the ppdev module could that be the problem?
[10:20] <phyz> yurp
[10:20] <phyz> hello
[10:21] <cyphase> Ghetek, no, it doesn't
[10:21] <cyphase> i don't know
[10:21] <Ghetek> hmmm
[10:21] <Ghetek> weird
[10:21] <cyphase> shockwave is certainly working, because shockwave.com is working..
[10:21] <davidmccabe> Yay! Automated nightly backups!
[10:21] <Ghetek> yeah
[10:21] <barbas> And does anyone know how we can obtain the ppdev module?
[10:21] <davidmccabe> rsnapshot is awesomeness!
[10:21] <Ghetek> ok well i will just use wine and IE
[10:21] <cyphase> phyz, why do you ask?
[10:21] <ploptor> hi
[10:21] <Ghetek> kinda sucks not to be able to go full firefox
[10:22] <Seveas> Ghetek, blame macromedia
[10:22] <cyphase> Ghetek, miniclip doesn't work in windows either
[10:22] <Seveas> they have stupid almost non-existent linux support...
[10:22] <Ghetek> cyphase: my girlfriend os on IE now in windows xp and playing
[10:23] <zoople> ok..still cant get zinf to work
[10:23] <cyphase> Ghetek, yea, IE
[10:23] <barbas> Chetek: Find a new linux using girlfriend :P
[10:23] <cyphase> i meant firefox on window
[10:23] <cyphase> windows*
[10:23] <monchichi> barbas: what is ppdev?
[10:23] <rototom> hello together
[10:23] <cyphase> Windows**
[10:23] <cyphase> :D
[10:23] <Ghetek> barbas: lol she is formating to kubuntu tomorrow
[10:24] <barbas> I don't know monchichi I just read at vmware instructions. I guess it's Parallel Port Device...??
[10:24] <phyz> just asking because u looks like did so well with ubuntu
[10:24] <phyz> :)
[10:24] <Ghetek> ok guys, im off to sleep
[10:24] <Ghetek> take care yall
[10:25] <barbas> Ghetek: Now that's a nice girlfriend! You are a lucky guy
[10:25] <barbas> :P
[10:25] <Ghetek> im really lucky
[10:25] <Ghetek> ciao!
[10:25] <rototom> I search for a gnome program to watch und record dvb TV
[10:25] <rototom> Do you know anything?
[10:26] <barbas> Guess parallel port support ain't that great in linux afterall...
[10:28] <Jesse1> rototom, http://www.tv-cards.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=3429
[10:28] <Jesse1> rototom, have a look there it looks helpfull
[10:28] <rototom> Jesse1, thanks a lot
[10:30] <rototom> Jesse1, unfortunatly, I dont find such a gnome programm there
[10:31] <nikkia> rototom, can't gxine do it ?
[10:32] <rototom> nikkia, unfortuntatly, no
[10:32] <rototom> with gxine I can watch dvb; but I cant make time records
[10:32] <monchichi> barbas: try sudo  mknod /dev/parport0 c 99 0
[10:33] <monchichi> maybe the problem is just with udev
[10:33] <srbaker> anyone here use an ipod shuffle with ubuntu?
[10:33] <srbaker> gtkpod is a little confusing, i'm trying to format/clean my ipod
[10:33] <srbaker> and load it up
[10:34] <monchichi> barbas: i guess the ppdev module is for low-level access to parport, but its not built in the stock ubuntu kernels
[10:35] <monchichi> barbas: my mistake, ppdev is there
[10:35] <nikkia> srbaker: select 'all', then edit->'delete completely from ipod...'->selected tab   i think
[10:35] <monchichi> barbas: sudo modprobe ppdev does it
[10:36] <srbaker> nikkia, it keeps mounting and unmounting itself for some reason
[10:37] <phyz> :)
[10:38] <geesus> Hey all. My wifi card dosnt seem to be supported by the version of madwifi included with linux-restricted-modules for 2.6.10, anybody got some options for me to persue (other then rolling my own kernel? :)
[10:38] <phyz> erm...
[10:38] <phyz> how many ubuntu user from britain?
[10:39] <nikkia> phyz, i'm a kubuntu user, does that count ? :)
[10:39] <geesus> no! rofl
[10:41] <rototom> ok, it seems, there is really no application for gnome
[10:41] <rototom> thanks and bye
[10:41] <phyz> :)
[10:41] <erb> hi
[10:42] <phyz> nikkia nice to know you
[10:42] <phyz> hi
[10:43] <srbaker> SCSI error : <3 0 0 0> return code = 0x10000
[10:43] <srbaker> end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 2213
[10:43] <srbaker> i keep getting that re: my ipod
[10:43] <srbaker> what the fuck?
[10:43] <srbaker> does that mean my ipod is fucked?
[10:43] <nikkia> phyz, if i am slow to respond to anything, its because i'm busy panicking about work
[10:43] <Amaranth> srbaker: It's possible
[10:44] <monchichi> srbaker: ouch.. looks like it might be a corrupted sector
[10:44] <geesus> OoOoOo found a good link to help myself with my problem
[10:45] <geesus> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38972
[10:45] <srbaker> monchichi, how do i fix?
[10:45] <monchichi> srbaker... send it to apple is its still under warranty...
[10:46] <monchichi> srbaker: but it might not be fucked at all
[10:46] <srbaker> yeah
[10:46] <srbaker> well, that's the problem
[10:46] <srbaker> i don't know
[10:46] <erb> ive installed enlightenment with synaptic, but i cant see it in the boot-menu, how can i fix it?
[10:46] <srbaker> and i can't very well tell apple "hey, when i plug this into my linux box..."
[10:46] <srbaker> but, it does crash on two songs i DL'd from ITMS
[10:46] <monchichi> srbaker: try it in a mac or windoze
[10:46] <srbaker> i don't have either
[10:47] <Jesse1> srbaker, you dont?
[10:47] <jean-jacques> i've just uncomented the sources.list but i still can't find php inside synptic (even after an update inside synaptic) any suggestions ?
[10:47] <srbaker> Jesse1, no.  why is that surprising?
[10:47] <monchichi> srbaker: good for you
[10:47] <srbaker> Jesse1, i haven't had a non-GNU/Linux box for almost ten years
[10:47] <monchichi> use a friends computer though
[10:47] <srbaker> since just before i became a debian devel.
[10:48] <Jesse1> srbaker, oh
[10:48] <monchichi> erb: does it have a file in /usr/share/sessions?
[10:48] <monchichi> erb:err
[10:49] <monchichi> /usr/share/xsessions
[10:49] <holycow> srbaker, heh, i havent used gnu that long, but i've been exclusively on linux for almost 2 now
[10:49] <jean-jacques> iis there someone who would like to help me, i'd like to displax all items inside synaptic
[10:49] <Amaranth> all of them?
[10:49] <srbaker> yeah, my ipod is fucked
[10:49] <erb> theres a dir in usr/share: /usr/share/enlightenment
[10:49] <holycow> kinda weird trying to get anything done on win
[10:49] <Jesse1> jean-jacques, try adding the extra repositories from ubuntuguide
[10:49] <jean-jacques> ok thank you jesse1 i'm gonna try
[10:51] <monchichi> hmm.. shouldnt php be in the main repositories?
[10:51] <erb> in /usr/share/xsessions is only gnome.desktop
[10:51] <Jesse1> monchichi, well if it is i dont see why its not there
[10:51] <budluva> how do i get a security key for my ssh server?
[10:52] <Jesse1> hmm has any1 downloaded everything from the repositores?
[10:52] <monchichi> Jesse1, i dont either, unless theres something wrong with his sources.lst or something
[10:53] <Jesse1> monchichi, ive seen a few people having that problem where theve copyed other peoples lists and still cant get it to work
[10:53] <bob2> budluva: "security key"?
[10:53] <bob2> Jesse1: you mean made a mirror? sure, lots of people do that.
[10:53] <jean-jacques> in fact i had already done the apt-get update and uncomentes the sources.list, an my hoary install is clean at the moment (no copy paste of someone else list)
[10:53] <bob2> Jesse1: you can't install everything from the repositories, though
[10:54] <erb> theres a correct list on ubuntuguide.org, its works
[10:54] <Jesse1> bob2, why not?
[10:54] <holycow> Jesse1, some things are incompatible
[10:54] <Jesse1> oh
[10:54] <bob2> Jesse1: how many web servers do you want running at once, for instance?
[10:54] <Jesse1> about 40
[10:54] <holycow> bob2, well, now thats a good question :)
[10:55] <holycow> indeedy, how many servers can one runon a box?
[10:55] <davidmccabe> Couldn't you cehck if a piece of merchandise had a security tag just by casually chucking it through the doorway while no one was looking?
[10:55] <davidmccabe> and following if no alarms go off.
[10:55] <budluva> bob2, yeah, host key
[10:55] <monchichi> erb: copy the gnome.desktop to enlightenment.desktop and edit it accordingly, then it will come up in the gdm menu
[10:55] <bob2> holycow: as many as you want, more or less
[10:55] <bob2> it's not even limited by ram, really
[10:55] <davidmccabe> never mind. good night.
[10:56] <Jesse1> davidmccabe, if there are the security doors then nearly all the items would have tags besides the ones that have been removed
[10:56] <bob2> budluva: /etc/ssh/
[10:56] <erb> ahha, ok
[10:59] <davidmccabe> Jesse1: yes but what if there are *stealth* security doors?
[10:59] <nikkia> david, it would still be pointless to invest in security doors if you're not going to tag everything
[11:00] <davidmccabe> But if you don't even know whether there are security doors or not, you'd better check first.
[11:00] <davidmccabe> hence chucking.
[11:00] <davidmccabe> not that I shoplift; it just occured to me.
[11:00] <nikkia> david, it'd be easier to build something that detects the magnetic field, and check it when you walk in
[11:00] <nikkia> throwing something thru the doors is likely to get you in trouble either way
[11:00] <monchichi> i think some stores probably put in fake security doors, just to scare potential shoplifters
[11:00] <davidmccabe> wouldn't suprise me.
[11:01] <jp> Salut
[11:01] <davidmccabe> nikkia: but it'd make a great /Candid Camera/.
[11:01] <hyphenated> davidmccabe: I doubt they'd be as effective as ones where alarms go off
[11:01] <merc> just carry a high powered magnet.
[11:01] <nikkia> david, even if they don't get you with shoplifting (if you havent' left the store with the item) they can     proobbaly get you with vandelism or destruction of private property
[11:02] <davidmccabe> next question: couldn't you chuck it *over the top* of the things?
[11:02] <davidmccabe> or what if you dug a tunnel?=
[11:02] <napsy> are breezy pachages for x.org fixed yet?
[11:02] <nikkia> its a store, not colditz
[11:02] <davidmccabe> good night again.
[11:02] <Jesse1> davidmccabe, ive always wonder if that would work suppose if you chuck it over youd miss the sensors
[11:02] <Jesse1> so it should work
[11:02] <davidmccabe> yeah.
[11:03] <davidmccabe> unless they put the sensors right next to the doors, but often they don't.
[11:03] <Jesse1> but it would be obvouis
[11:03] <nikkia> jesse, they probably have light a donut shape, and the upper extent of the field is higher than you think
[11:03] <monchichi> napsy: they work fine for me
[11:03] <nikkia> s/light/like/
[11:03] <davidmccabe> nikkia: spoil-sport.
[11:03] <monchichi> napsy: i had some problems at first, but they were easily fixed
[11:03] <napsy> hmm
[11:03] <nikkia> the easiest way is just to make a bag that acts as a faraday cage :P
[11:03] <davidmccabe> Jesse1: you do it right after your friend switches on a boombox and takes of his clothes or something.
[11:03] <napsy> i remember the last time when i tried to upgrade to breezy ... had problems with X
[11:04] <nikkia> unfortunately, your bag is probably going to set off the sensors too :P
[11:04] <davidmccabe> gnight. classes start tommorow.
[11:04] <monchichi> napsy, yeah there were some minor issues, but all it took was a few symlinks to fix
[11:04] <merc> nikkia: i saw a cops episode where some people just lined the bag with tinfoil and loaded it up and walked out
[11:04] <nikkia> merc, yeah, that'd be a faraday cage
[11:04] <nikkia> the bottom line is, most stores don't check anyway
[11:04] <merc> nikkia: hence the mention ;)
[11:04] <davidmccabe> merc: cops is designed to make catching the stupid ones easier by giving them bogus ideas.
[11:05] <nikkia> i often set off the sensors at our local supermarket when i buy a DVD...
[11:05] <nikkia> they usually just look at me and wave me thru regardless
[11:05] <davidmccabe> and scan your iris...
[11:05] <nikkia> the key is probably a 'oh god, what have i done?' expression
[11:05] <napsy> monchichi: " sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs-data_6.8.2-32_all.deb && sudo apt-get install -f" .. i found this on ubuntuforums ... does this fix the issue
[11:05] <merc> my sister bought some clothes, and it had that tag on it still, i asked if the alarm went off she said 'yeah, but i just kept walking'
[11:05] <davidmccabe> yeah, probably.
[11:05] <davidmccabe> hehe
[11:06] <davidmccabe> the ticket is to walk through at exactly the same time as sobody else, and pretend it was them.
[11:06] <Jesse1> the funnies thing ive ever done was got one of those security stickers from the box of lan cable i bought in another shop as i walked through it set of the alarm so i chucked the sticker on the ground upside down and it stuck to the persons shoe and set of the alarm it was funny i didnt stick around tho for them to find the sticker
[11:06] <nikkia> razor blades routinely set off those sensors too
[11:06] <merc> question is, who carries razor blades while shopping?
[11:06] <davidmccabe> ninjas.
[11:06] <merc> good call
[11:06] <nikkia> merc, people that buy the razor blades in the shop ?
[11:06] <mae> is there a place that has bluecurve .debs for ubuntu
[11:06] <davidmccabe> nahhhhhh.
[11:07] <davidmccabe> mae: it's in universe I think.
[11:07] <Jesse1> davidmccabe, its only 9
[11:07] <budluva> can someone tell me why i can only transfer files over my lan via scp at 1500k/sec? with ftp i can get the full 10,000k/sec out of my network
[11:07] <mae> davidmccabe, ahh
[11:07] <davidmccabe> Jesse1: in what time zone?
[11:08] <davidmccabe> Jesse1: it's 2am here.
[11:08] <budluva> is that the way scp was designed or is something wrong with my setup?
[11:08] <davidmccabe> budluva: bits vs. bytes?
[11:08] <Jesse1> davidmccabe, i see its like +8 or + 10 here in australia
[11:08] <bob2> budluva: scp is shit, yes
[11:08] <merc> budluva: that seems funny, i would account for some overhead because of the encryption, but not that much, i dont think.
[11:08] <bob2> budluva: but you might be CPU-bound
[11:08] <davidmccabe> Jesse1: here's it's -8.
[11:08] <bob2> budluva: try rsync instead
[11:08] <davidmccabe> Jesse1: good to meet you. bye.
[11:08] <bob2> (which will also be cpu-bound if done over ssh)
[11:08] <Jesse1> davidmccabe, cya
[11:08] <davidmccabe> budluva: or perhaps if you have a 386 doing the encryption.
[11:09] <budluva> bob2, both machines are 2.0ghz cpu's
[11:09] <davidmccabe> Jesse1: not used to having anybody *earlier* than me.
[11:09] <davidmccabe> Jesse1: unless they're in Europe, and then it's some time in the morning.
[11:09] <budluva> both amd xp +2400
[11:09] <Jesse1> but im aday ahead
[11:09] <davidmccabe> ahhhh.
[11:10] <Jesse1> i think its monday here now
[11:10] <davidmccabe> my sister's prolly waking up some time about now.
[11:10] <bob2> budluva: well, see if rsync is faster
[11:10] <merc> 5am monday here
[11:10] <davidmccabe> she's in Africa.
[11:10] <davidmccabe> anyways, gnight.
[11:10] <Jesse1> lol just exit or u wont ever leave
[11:11] <Jesse1> davidmccabe, youve said goodnight about 6 times already
[11:11] <Jesse1> any1 here play cs:s
[11:11] <monchichi> whats cs:s?
[11:12] <Jesse1> youd know if you played it
[11:12] <Jesse1> it's counter-strike source
[11:12] <monchichi> well i know i dont play it, i just wanted to know
[11:12] <monchichi> i see.
[11:13] <Jesse1> have you heard of cs?
[11:13] <monchichi> heard of, yes.. i dont play games that much though
[11:14] <Jesse1> ok
[11:14] <monchichi> does it work with cedega?
[11:14] <monchichi> or is there a native port?
[11:14] <Jesse1> no native port
[11:14] <budluva> how can i pass a command on boot up? i have an old monitor so i need to manually adjust gamma by doing this xgamma -d :0 -gamma 3.0 everytime i boot my machine, is there somewhere i can place this line to exec at bootup?
[11:14] <Jesse1> people have said that it works with cedega
[11:15] <monchichi> budluva: try /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[11:16] <Jesse1> budluva, how do u manage doing that if you cant see?
[11:16] <budluva> Jesse1, its dark, but barely readable :P i need a new monitor bbbbaaaaaadddddd :P
[11:16] <link> oi
[11:17] <heien> Hi everyone... How do i make a symlink?
[11:17] <link> hi
[11:17] <Jesse1> budluva, monitors have be come farley cheap now for a crt
[11:17] <hhurtta> ln -s
[11:17] <fdr> heien,   ln -s
[11:17] <nikkia> gah, the monday morning 'wtf are you up to?' call from my boss :/
[11:17] <heien> fdr, thx. .:)
[11:17] <link> how are you
[11:17] <fdr> heien, actually,  ln -s  targetfile  linkname
[11:17] <monchichi> heien: ln -s target link
[11:18] <budluva> Jesse1, yes i plan on gettings a good lcd, but want to get a good video card at the same time
[11:18] <heien> i could figure that out ;P
[11:18] <fdr> heien, you're more than welcome
[11:18] <budluva> monchichi, where do you suggest i put that xgamma line in my bootmisc.sh? at the very end?
[11:18] <link> ola
[11:18] <link> ola
[11:19] <monchichi> budluva: at the end, unless you want to see the boot messages, then it should be in a different file altogether
[11:19] <fdr> Where do I find a list of the backport server mirrors? There was a post in ubuntuforums, but I cannot finr it anymore... :-(
[11:19] <heien> shitty webcams.. : @ :/
[11:20] <Seveas> fdr: To find out the location of backports, go to backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[11:20] <fdr> Seveas, found it, thanks
[11:21] <Jesse1> budluva, well you will want to get a good lcd with a low responce time around 12ms or lower and for the graphics card deparatment i would recomend getting a geforce 7800GTX
[11:24] <nikkia> jesse, why would you recommend a 7800 ? every review has stated that the improvements over the 6800 are minimal in the current incarnation, and the price difference isn't minimal
[11:26] <holycow> there has been quite a few linux kernel upgrades over the course of hoary
[11:26] <holycow> i wonder how serious the patches are
[11:26] <monchichi> is anyone here running 2.6.12?
[11:27] <fabbione> monchichi: yes
[11:27] <monchichi> are you using the ubuntu kernel or did you compile it?
[11:27] <fabbione> monchichi: the ubuntu kernel
[11:28] <budluva> is a kernel upgrade easy like debian?
[11:28] <kvidell> ugh.. anyone know the name of that company that puts a big crate at your house that you fill with your belongings then give them a shipping address and they come by a few days later and pick it up and ship it to your new house, cross country?
[11:28] <fabbione> budluva: yes
[11:28] <budluva> ie apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.12
[11:28] <fabbione> apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12
[11:28] <holycow> kvidell, yes, 1800-got-junk
[11:28] <fabbione> s/kernel/image
[11:28] <fabbione> meh
[11:28] <fabbione> s/kernel/linux
[11:29] <kvidell> funny :-P
[11:30] <fdr> Anybody here has installed the realplayer? Is it really as easy as typing `apt-get install realplayer` or does it involve anything more complex?
[11:30] <monchichi> fdr: check ubuntuguide.org... i cant install it cause of amd64
[11:30] <holycow> fdr apt-get remove --purge totem-gstreamer && apt-get install totem-xine then add the w32codecs repositories and apt-getinstall w32codecs
[11:31] <ogge> im quite dissapointed, yesterday I installed ubuntu minimal on my celeron 700mhz coppermine (mobile) 128mbyte ram, 4mbyte videomemory laptop. later I added xorg, xfce4, firefox, wdm and some other applications. I think the system runs slow, sluggish. My win2k installation on same computer runs faster. Is there anything I can do about this?
[11:31] <monchichi> ubuntu should run fine on a celeron 700
[11:32] <ogge> yes it does run fine, but its not as fast as win2k, is there any configuration I can do about this?
[11:32] <ogge> thought it should run smoother :)
[11:32] <Seveas> ogge, use XFCE instead of gnome/kde
[11:32] <ogge> I do
[11:32] <fdr> monchichi, holycow : thanks! that really sounded *too* easy to me :)
[11:35] <holycow> ogge, if you have problems with xfce theres something whack going on
[11:35] <monchichi> ogge:  check gnome-system-monitor to see if anything is hogging resources
[11:35] <holycow> xfce is as snappy as win2k
[11:35] <holycow> gnome and kde are a bit more resource hogs so they feel maybe less snapy, but still should be very very acceptable
[11:36] <tsw> ogge: check that you have dma enabled on your harddrive
[11:36] <holycow> tsw, good call
[11:36] <ogge> monchichi, how do I check the gnome-system-monitor? I run xfce.
[11:36] <ogge> dma enabled. yes, where do I check that?
[11:37] <maliks> Hello....I want to install Glimmr on Ubuntu using binaries...But I cant locate them...does anyone know of a good repository hosting mono and its goodies like beagle,glimmr, etc?
[11:37] <holycow> hdparm /dev/deviceofdrive
[11:37] <tsw> ogge: sudo hdparm /dev/ha
[11:37] <tsw> hda even
[11:37] <tsw> damn this communicator keyboard...
[11:38] <ogge> sudo hdaparm /dev/ha - like that?
[11:38] <holycow> do sudo fdisk -l to find the device names of y our partitions
[11:38] <holycow> then use the right /dev/device
[11:39] <vdm> Where can i set what versions of aclocal, autoconf & automake i want my system to use?
[11:39] <monchichi> ogge- just run "gnome-system-monitor" in a terminal or something
[11:40] <IceDC571> blah.. im trying to remove openoffice.org and its asking me to remove ubuntu-desktop
[11:40] <ogge> when doing the sudo fdisk -l
[11:40] <ogge> I can se 4 device boot
[11:40] <ogge> the first one is ntfs. where ntfs is instaled.
[11:40] <Seveas> vdm, sudo update-alternatives --config automake
[11:41] <ogge> where win2k is installed.. :)
[11:41] <vdm> Seveas, Cheers
[11:41] <ogge> then I got "extended", "Linux", and "Linux swap / Solaris"
[11:42] <maliks> Hello....I want to install Glimmr on Ubuntu using binaries...But I cant locate them...does anyone know of a good repository hosting mono and its goodies like beagle,glimmr, etc?
[11:42] <holycow> ogge, well you are turning on dma for a device not a partition, that should give you an idea of what is there. so you should have an hda hdb or hdc labeled hd that you can turn on dma
[11:42] <Seveas> maliks, Mono is in Hoary universe, but for mono applications, waiting for Breezy to stabilize is a better option...
[11:43] <holycow> ogge, then google turning dma on for linux, the command is something like hdparm dma1 /dev/hdd or something like that
[11:43] <ogge> ok. thanx.
[11:43] <holycow> you can also man hdparm to verify
[11:51] <IceDC571> im guessing it isnt possible to remove openoffice?
[11:52] <holycow> sudo apt-get remove --purge openoffice.org
[11:52] <holycow> this isn't microsoft
[11:52] <IceDC571> wont i have broken packages later?
[11:53] <holycow> apt / dpkg resolve everything for you
[11:53] <kvidell> use aptitude instead of apt-get if you're afraid of that
[11:53] <holycow> again, this isn't microsoft
[11:53] <IceDC571> thats what it stated when i used apitude
[11:53] <holycow> no its fine
[11:53] <kvidell> you'll be fine.
[11:53] <IceDC571> okay
[11:54] <fdr> Please, anybody know if there is a simple way of converting real audio files into mp3?
[11:54] <fdr> (or into wav, then I'll make the conversion :P )
[11:54] <IceDC571> it says its going to remove ubuntu-desktop as i said before
[11:54] <IceDC571> ugh..
[11:54] <IceDC571> i'll try aptitude
[11:55] <sparkling> hi all
[11:55] <monchichi> ubuntu-desktop is a dummy package
[11:55] <ogge> Hello again. I did the hdparm /dev/hdc, and everything is = 0. Except readahead which is 256 (on)
[11:55] <monchichi> it wont hurt to remove it
[11:55] <erb> hello
[11:55] <IceDC571> monchichi, are you serious?
[11:55] <sparkling> is there someone experienced in installing ubuntu on an external usb2 hard drive?
[11:55] <holycow> yes he is
[11:56] <IceDC571> damn.. why didnt i know that, i should read the packages descriptions more often
[11:56] <monchichi> it just depends on all the packages in a full "ubuntu desktop"
[11:56] <holycow> it's fine, takes a while to get to know the system
[11:56] <erb> ive enlightenment :)
[11:56] <monchichi> erb, yeah but its old enlightenment :P
[11:57] <erb> old?
[11:57] <holycow> the new one looks like fun
[11:57] <monchichi> its e16, e17 is the new one
[11:57] <ogge> Should I do the sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc to enable dma for my linux installation drive.
[11:57] <erb> damn
[11:57] <monchichi> its still in development
[11:57] <IceDC571> ahh, i see why the ubuntu-desktop is there
[11:57] <monchichi> but its very very cool
[11:58] <IceDC571> if i want to have the full desktop installed again i can just install that package, i see
[11:58] <monchichi> tres cool
[11:59] <lopster> I tried to mount my Windows drives C, D, E and F to my Ubuntu, but I only got C and D working
[12:00] <m0r0n> What's the meaning of phunk? It seems to be a new english word, I cant find a translation
[12:00] <ogge> how can I define /dev/hdc
[12:00] <ogge> what is it?
[12:00] <lopster> And when I look to my /dev/ I see there many hd** things, so what is my E or F drive?
[12:00] <monchichi> m0r0n: try urbandictionary.com
[12:00] <IceDC571> abiword is now part of the official gnome office suite? interesting
[12:01] <Amaranth> um, GNOME Office isn't an official part of GNOME
[12:01] <holycow> lopster, fdisk -l will tell you about your partition
[12:01] <lopster> k
[12:01] <Amaranth> and abiword has been a part of it since the beginning
[12:01] <holycow> lopster, based on that you can mount them and based on the content therein, you can guess which one was the windows designation
[12:01] <queuetue> I've got a box (debian sarge upgraded to ubuntu) that ssh locks up (or hangs up, more likely) on me if I leave it too long - measured in minutes.  Keepalive appears to be set in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ... what else shoud I check?
[12:01] <holycow> lopster, note: windows drive designations are non sensical and confustion
[12:02] <IceDC571> gnome office software is third party?
[12:02] <Amaranth> yes
[12:02] <tsw> queuetue: where are you doing the connection? on the same net or through internet?
[12:02] <holycow> IceDC571, everything is third party
[12:02] <Amaranth> there are plans to make it a part of gnome but they want to use it as a test for some new ideas
[12:03] <IceDC571> well i didnt mean it that way
[12:03] <queuetue> tsw, Through the INternet, but on a reliable connection. (No other ssh is going down in the same cluster (all RHEL boxes.)
[12:03] <sparkling> or do you an howto to install linux on an external hard drive?
[12:04] <IceDC571> http://www.gnome.org/gnome-office/
[12:04] <IceDC571> i meant its part of the gnome foundation
[12:04] <IceDC571> and i understand that they have no plans to include it with their desktop
[12:04] <Amaranth> sure, it's hosted on gnome.org
[12:04] <tsw> queuetue: ok, Ive had lots of ssh problems with adsl-modems not keeping ssh up when idle
[12:04] <holycow> ah
[12:05] <Amaranth> but it's not a part of GNOME The Product or GNOME The Platform
[12:05] <IceDC571> exactly
[12:05] <IceDC571> sorry i got confused before
[12:05] <holycow> IceDC571, well its a wait and see thing with everything, sun has 70 fulltime developers working on oo.o ... but who knows what direction that will take
[12:05] <Amaranth> holycow: It'll get slower and use more and more java.
[12:05] <holycow> maybe if things go south it may make sense to ditch oo.o for abiword ... etc.
[12:06] <IceDC571> hahaha Amaranth
[12:06] <holycow> :)
[12:06] <holycow> i don't mind oo.o, i'm weary of sun, those guys are schizophrenic
[12:06] <holycow> at first they wanted to get into the office suite business in the 90's and bought this app from a german co
[12:06] <holycow> then they can't sell it so they open source it
[12:07] <holycow> then it gets popular as open source so they want to sell it again
[12:07] <holycow> now they have 70 devs on it, a deal with ms, and their ceo talks as if he has rabies
[12:07] <queuetue> holycow, I don't trust Sun because ... they invented and marketed Java. :)
[12:07] <holycow> who the hell knows
[12:07] <IceDC571> staroffice is a joke
[12:07] <IceDC571> its exactly the same as openoffice now
[12:07] <holycow> IceDC571, you think?
[12:07] <holycow> IT ALWAYS WAS OO.O
[12:08] <holycow> right?
[12:08] <queuetue> Actualy, I thought (never really saw it, but thought) that SO had less features and more testing...
[12:08] <IceDC571> yep.. but openoffice wasnt opensource before, was it?
[12:08] <IceDC571> i mean
[12:08] <mjr> well, the deal with MS was that they can do their SO thing in peace, not OO.o, so the paranoid mind might think that the plan is to oust OO.o via MS's patent claims on file formats, making it not interoperate
[12:08] <holycow> ice they are the exact same app
[12:08] <lifeless> IceDC571: openoffice has always been opensource, staroffice wasn't.
[12:08] <holycow> star office is the oopen office
[12:09] <holycow> star office was just open office with a few proprietary things added
[12:09] <holycow> like thesaurus and dictionary
[12:09] <IceDC571> lifeless, i mean openoffice is fairly new.. they just released the source a couple years ago
[12:09] <holycow> etc
[12:09] <lifeless> holycow: other way around
[12:09] <holycow> no its not new
[12:09] <holycow> open office is star office
[12:09] <IceDC571> but staroffice has been around for years
[12:09] <lifeless> holycow: open office is star office minus the prop crap
[12:09] <holycow> open office was open sources in the early 90's
[12:09] <lifeless> holycow: *cough*
[12:09] <holycow> lifeless, :) potato potato
[12:10] <lifeless> holycow: not really, ordering is significant here
[12:10] <holycow> IceDC571, which part of STAROFFICE IS OPENOFFICE aren't you listening to?
[12:10] <IceDC571> nevermind im getting confused again, ack.....
[12:10] <holycow> same codebase same app
[12:10] <holycow> ice here is what happened?
[12:10] <holycow> open office codebase is like 18 years old
[12:10] <holycow> it was an old german office suite
[12:10] <holycow> sun bought it in late 80's early 90's
[12:11] <holycow> it was around for quite a while then
[12:11] <holycow> sun tried to compete with ms and lost
[12:11] <holycow> they open sourced it in the early to mid 90's
[12:11] <holycow> AS OPENOFFICE
[12:11] <IceDC571> i see
[12:11] <holycow> it got popular, so they created the big brother called STAROFFICE
[12:11] <lifeless> holycow: your dates are wrong
[12:11] <IceDC571> i didnt know openoffice was around for that long!
[12:11] <lifeless> holycow: and it started out as staroffice
[12:11] <holycow> which was the open source codebase with added proprietary components, like good thesaurus etc.
[12:11] <lifeless> http://about.openoffice.org/index.html#history
[12:11] <holycow> and sold licences for that
[12:12] <lifeless> holycow: you should get your facts right before you rant
[12:12] <holycow> lifeless, lol okay so my dates and marketing are off, the chronology is the same :)
[12:12] <holycow> *piff* don't be a pedant :)
[12:13] <holycow> oh bought it much later, heh oh well
[12:13] <lifeless> holycow: not 'off', completely diametrically wrong
[12:13] <IceDC571> holycow: very very nice, thank you for the information.. now my head is clear
[12:13] <holycow> still quite an old app
[12:13] <holycow> lifeless, let me guess you run at least one version of bsd, correct?
[12:13] <lifeless> nope
[12:14] <lifeless> IceDC571: read the link http://about.openoffice.org/index.html#history - its got all the history, with correct dates
[12:14] <Ycros> holycow: you're just digging yourself in deeper...
[12:15] <holycow> Ycros, go away unless you can contribute somethign specific, if i'm wrong i'm wrong
[12:15] <holycow> otherwise shutup :)
[12:18] <tomte05> Hi
[12:19] <tomte05> anybody out there?
[12:20] <tomte05> I've problems with the xv output of software like kino or mplayer
[12:20] <tomte05> can anybody help?
[12:28] <Hajuu> hey uhm
[12:28] <Hajuu> Small problem
[12:29] <Hajuu> I had an applet crash on me yesterday.. not sure which one.. but now my desktop selector is gone from my bottom gnome bar.. as well as the area where open windows show up.
[12:29] <Hajuu> Any ideas how to fix this?
[12:30] <SoundProblem> hello guys im having big problems with ubuntu
[12:30] <rg58sma> hhiii
[12:31] <SoundProblem> and its getting my annoyed bad
[12:31] <SoundProblem> my sound isint working and my internet isint working
[12:31] <rg58sma> someone have a good sources.list
[12:31] <queuetue> Your Internet is broken?!?
[12:31] <SoundProblem> i have a cable modem connected to a router which leads to a network card which is this computer
[12:31] <SoundProblem> internet works on xp,
[12:32] <SoundProblem> on linux my network cards light is on but whenever i try to use the internet it doesnt work
[12:32] <no0tic> where can I find upgrade changelogs?
[12:32] <mindspin> what does it mean "doesn't work"
[12:33] <mindspin> can you ping the router?
[12:33] <kvidell> Hajuu: restart gnome-panel ?
[12:33] <SoundProblem> like the whenever i try to look up something
[12:33] <SoundProblem> it doesnt look it up
[12:33] <kvidell> SoundProblem: what does typing "ifconfig" return in a terminal?
[12:33] <SoundProblem> usually any distribtion would auto detect my cable modem
[12:34] <SoundProblem> ummm
[12:34] <pedingto> Mornin' folks
[12:34] <SoundProblem> i tried ipconfig
[12:34] <mindspin> haha
[12:34] <kvidell> not a command :)
[12:34] <SoundProblem> :S
[12:34] <Firetech> damn pgp, I started getting spam... (And I know that pgp is the reason...)
[12:34] <SoundProblem> it will probably say not detected command
[12:34] <longodj> hey guys how can I startx from a user account/
[12:34] <longodj> ?*
[12:35] <sly_> you just said the command in your question ?
[12:36] <mindspin> SoundProblem: what does typing "ifconfig" return in a terminal?
[12:36] <selinium> hi all, for some reason my cdroms have stopped working? COuld anybody help?
[12:36] <longodj> no but I mean, how can I use the startx command from a non privileged account...it says X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
[12:36] <pedingto> Hrm, I can't get java to work.  I downloaded the .bin file, but I must admit, I'm stumped at that point.
[12:36] <longodj> mindspin: interface info
[12:36] <mindspin> i know that ;-)
[12:36] <zever> pedingto, have you made it executable
[12:37] <pedingto> by using make-jpkg?
[12:37] <mindspin> and my networking works, but SoundProblem's not
[12:37] <zever> no, by using chmod +x <file>.bin
[12:37] <longodj> sorry got in at the wrong point ni the convo :-P
[12:37] <mindspin> yw
[12:38] <pedingto> No I haven't, I'm fairly new and was trawling through the wiki, and didn't see that one.
[12:38] <pedingto> I'll give that a whirl now.
[12:38] <zever> ok
[12:38] <selinium> hi all, for some reason my cdroms have stopped working? COuld anybody help?
[12:38] <pedingto> Alright zever, I did that.
[12:39] <kvidell> selinium: got a stick and two boxes of TimTams handy?
[12:39] <zever> k, and now try ./<file>.bin
[12:39] <selinium> kvidell: LOL I haven't heard TimTams in a while! I'm in the UK! :)
[12:39] <kvidell> hehe..
[12:40] <selinium> kvidell: big stick is ready!
[12:40] <kvidell> see I'm not sure where to start on your problem but since I'm in California, if you had timtams I'd sure bleed google till it told me :-D -.- I'm useless, I know.
[12:40] <kvidell> though what kind of 'Stopped working' are we talking?
[12:41] <kvidell> not ejecting, not reading, no lights?
[12:41] <pedingto> ok zever, that seemed to do something :)
[12:42] <zever> pedingto, it might work now, you should give it a try
[12:42] <zyth> this autoupdate from 2.6.10-4 to 2.6.10-5 better not break anything, grr...
[12:42] <selinium> kvidell: They were working one day, now they are not working? I don't know what I did but the system is not recognising a cd. The drives are functional. Lights and everything, but not talking to ubuntu
[12:43] <pedingto> Hrm, firefox isn't picking it up yet, is there another step I have to do?
[12:43] <selinium> kvidell: they appear in the Device manager.... :)
[12:43] <kvidell> pedingto: got a big stick and two boxes of... er... nm
[12:43] <zever> pedingto, what version do you have
[12:44] <zever> pedingto, of ubuntu
[12:44] <pedingto> 5.04
[12:44] <kvidell> selinium: are they automounting data correctly?
[12:44] <kvidell> er.. are they automounting your cds at all?
[12:44] <zever> pedingto, then you better should have used the repositories
[12:45] <zever> pedingto, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[12:45] <selinium> kvidell: not at all, if i go to /media/cdrom0 it says there is nothing there.
[12:45] <kvidell> okay.. pop in a cd and try sudo mount /media/cdrom0
[12:46] <maltje> what is the best download prog I can use?
[12:47] <longodj> wget?
[12:47] <maltje> with azureus I download less then I upload
[12:47] <longodj> gtkgnutella?
[12:48] <selinium> kvidell: I have pasted the error @ http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/256
[12:48] <zyth> this is odd, according to synaptic, my 'linux-686-smp' package is 2.6.10-7, but uname -a shows me 2.6.10-5, and I only have 1 kernel installed....
[12:48] <ronybeck> Hi :-)
[12:48] <zyth> can anyone explain that?
[12:48] <kvidell> hm
[12:48] <kvidell> that uh.. that's pretty special..
[12:48] <kvidell> has this cd worked in the past?
[12:48] <ronybeck> Why doesn't the NVIDIA driver from NVIDIA work properly with ubuntu?
[12:48] <selinium> kvidell: I like to be special! lol
[12:48] <maltje> gnutella is it easy to install?
[12:48] <pedingto> Zever, thanks, I seem to have lost the ability to google to find what I'm actually looking for lately.
[12:49] <kvidell> and you're not trying to mount a blank CDR to burn to it are you?
[12:49] <zever> pedingto, :-)
[12:49] <selinium> kvidell: it is a burnt cd. I will try a 'proper cd', one mo.
[12:50] <bigfoot1> hello, someone here recommended to me to get ZSNES when I was looking to play games. I don't remember who.
[12:50] <kvidell> hm... that "should" be okay.. strange..
[12:51] <zyth> bigfoot1, that's not a question
[12:51] <bigfoot1> does anybody here have visualboyadvance installed.
[12:51] <bigfoot1> zyth: true.
[12:51] <bigfoot1> 8-)
[12:52] <selinium> kvidell: same error with a proper cd.... What on earth have I done! :|
[12:53] <kvidell> did you manually enable ide-scsi?
[12:54] <selinium> kvidell: Nope, it all auto magically installed at start up. I did move across to the K7 version. But that shouldn't have knocked the drives, should it?
[12:54] <bigfoot1> can someone tell me how i can run visualboyadvance in GUI mode?
[12:54] <kvidell> what does your /dev/hdc line look like from /etc/fstab ?
[12:54] <pedingto> Zever, thanks ;) it works.
[12:54] <kvidell> I don't think so, no
[12:55] <kvidell> and possibly the last few lines of 'dmesg' after trying to mount
[12:56] <selinium> kvidell: dmesg? Sorry, i am not too fluent in Linux yet :)
[12:56] <nikkia> selinium: dmesg shows the console messages that have been generated
[12:57] <nikkia> (some of which never really get to the console these days, thanks to syslogd)
[12:57] <swarm> I have seen that debian team has released wine for amd64 in the previous week, could be possible to use such package in Ubuntu Hoary for amd64?
[12:57] <selinium> kvidell nikkia: so the command would be mount /media/cdrom0 | dmesg  ?
[12:58] <nikkia> no
[12:58] <bigfoot1> can someone help me with visualboyadvance?
[12:58] <bigfoot1> I'd like to run it in GUI.
[12:58] <nikkia> dmesg just shows you what has been reported, its useful for seeing if/why things failed
[12:58] <nikkia> selinium: you'd do 'mount /media/cdrom0' then do 'dmesg' to see what was reported by the command
[12:58] <ronybeck> bigfoot1, what is the problem?
[12:59] <bigfoot1> ronybeck, hello. Thank you for your response. Are you familiar with VBA? Do you use it?
[12:59] <ronybeck> bigfoot1, Does visualboyadvanced not come with a GUI?
[12:59] <selinium> nikkia: cheers!
[12:59] <ronybeck> bigfoot1, unfortunatly not :-)
[12:59] <bigfoot1> Well, I got VBA from Synaptic. I think it only runs in terminal mode.
[12:59] <nikkia> ronybeck, no, there are front ends for it thought
[12:59] <nikkia> though
[01:00] <nikkia> gnomeboyadvance, for example
[01:00] <ronybeck> bigfoot1, so we need to find a front end for it.  Have you tried looking at www.freshmeat.net?
[01:00] <kvidell> sorry, got distracted by pretty apple laptops
[01:00] <bigfoot1> on VBA's homepage (http://vba.ngemu.com), it seems like the windows version can run with a bit of a GUI (meaning: it has a simple toolbar from which one can do a bit of configuration). I wonder if it's possible to get a frontend.
[01:00] <nikkia> gnomeboyadvance is in the repos
[01:00] <bigfoot1> nikkia, gnomeboyadvance is like VBA?
[01:01] <pmjdebruijn> anybody here using mono from Ubuntu backports on Hoary?
[01:01] <nikkia> bigfoot1: its a front-end to VBA
[01:01] <selinium> kvidell: for some reason it wont mount cdrom0 know it just hangs....
[01:01] <bigfoot1> ronybeck, i'll look at freshmeat.net now. Is GnomeBoyadvance the best for ubuntu users?
[01:02] <selinium> kvidell: for some reason it wont mount cdrom0 know it just hangs.... fstab @ http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/257
[01:02] <no0tic> where can I find packages changelogs?
[01:02] <bigfoot1> i went to freshmeat.net. What should i look for?
[01:02] <zyth> I am getting 'configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool' - how do I get that perl module?
[01:03] <bigfoot1> okay, i typed in gnome boy, and I got one result.
[01:03] <ronybeck> bigfoot1, it is in synaptic ;)
[01:03] <pmjdebruijn> anyway it seems to depend on libgcc1 - 4.0
[01:03] <bigfoot1> ronybeck, GnomeBoyAdvance is in synaptic? Great. Let me get it then. Do i still need to keep VisualBoyADvance?
[01:03] <sly> i got a quick question
[01:03] <sly> ghow come when copying a mp3 folder from a disk
[01:04] <sly> all tracks have a lock as a emblem ?
[01:04] <ronybeck> bigfoot1, I just installed it just now.  All I need now is some ROM's ;)
[01:04] <bigfoot1> ronybeck, GnomeBoyadvance is in synaptic? what's the search term i should use?
[01:05] <selinium> sly: the disc is not writable so it shows the lock
[01:05] <bigfoot1> ronybeck, i can't find GnomeBoyAdvance is synaptic. I could only find VisualBoyAdvance.
[01:05] <sly> i mean this is now the case with th folder sat on the desktop
[01:05] <bigfoot1> ronybeck: correction: ... _in_ synaptic....
[01:05] <khabal> i ifconfig commanded in the command box
[01:05] <zyth> n/m I remember how to use CPAN
[01:06] <khabal> all it did was give info about what speed blah blah
[01:06] <ronybeck> bigfoot1, ok,  are you searching on description and name
[01:06] <sly> when viewing from the mounted disk all looks normal untill its copyed to the desktop and the tracks on the desktop hae the emblem
[01:06] <khabal> the internet still doesnt work
[01:06] <bigfoot1> ronybeck, you found gnomeboyadvance in synaptic?
[01:06] <sly> not a major problem as the tracks still work fine, just looks daft
[01:06] <ronybeck> bigfoot1, I searched for "visualboy"
[01:06] <nikkia> rony, actually, it seems gnomeboyadvance is in backports
[01:06] <selinium> Is there a gui for xmame?
[01:06] <bigfoot1> ronybeck, i already have visualboy. i want a front-end for it.
[01:06] <nikkia> version: 0.4.1~5.04ubp1
[01:06] <ronybeck> nikkia, ah ok
[01:07] <bigfoot1> nikkia, how do i get gnomeboyadvance from the backports?
[01:07] <ronybeck> bigfoot1, yeah but one of the matches I get when searching for visualboy is gnomeboyadvanced
[01:07] <nikkia> big, you'd need to add the backports repositories to your sources.list for apt
[01:07] <bigfoot1> Is it in the backports? please confirm
[01:07] <bigfoot1> nikkia, how do i add it? is it safe to add the backports to my list?
[01:07] <bigfoot1> no dangers?
[01:07] <ronybeck> bigfoot1,  /etc/apt/sources.list from memory.  You need to uncomment some of the lines to enable some disabled repositories'
[01:07] <nikkia> someone can probably paste the url for how to add backports
[01:08] <khabal> My computer is connected to a router which is connected to a cable mode, The internet works on XP, but doesnt work on linux, I checked the network card and it shows the light on, but whenever u try to use the internet doesnt seem to work
[01:08] <bigfoot1> is there no simple text i can copy and paste to add only this one program from the backports?
[01:08] <nikkia> big, there are risks, but if you use it just to pull a specific package, then remove it from the repository list again, its relatively safe
[01:08] <mindspin> what does ifconfig say
[01:08] <bigfoot1> okay, how do i add backports?
[01:08] <nikkia> big, there is a way you could do that, yes
[01:09] <ronybeck> bigfoot1, open up the sources.list in vi or something and uncomment the repositories
[01:09] <nikkia> you could just get the .deb from the backports server, and install it manually
[01:09] <khabal> mindspin something about Ip adresses and the speed of the internet
[01:09] <khabal> im sure it detected it
[01:09] <khabal> but still doesnt work
[01:09] <bigfoot1> ronybeck,  i don't think i even have them in my sources list.
[01:10] <_root_> hi all
[01:10] <mindspin> what does ping www.google.com say?
[01:10] <khabal> i didnt try it
[01:10] <_root_> i am using gcc-3.3.4 and gcc-4.0
[01:10] <khabal> now i have to reboot again :(
[01:10] <mindspin> have a try
[01:10] <mindspin> :-)
[01:10] <khabal> do u know how many times i rebooted?
[01:10] <mindspin> you are on win right now?
[01:10] <khabal> sigh..
[01:10] <nikkia> big, http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[01:10] <khabal> yes
[01:10] <nikkia> read that :)
[01:10] <khabal> and ubuntu is annoying me bad
[01:10] <bigfoot1> thanks, nikkia
[01:10] <_root_> i am getting stack smashing protection error
[01:10] <khabal> without the internet its useless
[01:11] <khabal> if i ping google
[01:11] <mindspin> normally you don't have to reboot linux, but for you now theres no way out
[01:11] <khabal> will it work?
[01:11] <selinium> sly: highlight all the files with the lock, right click properties/permissions then click the group write emblem
[01:11] <nikkia> big, if you don't want to add the backports repos to your list, you could just download: http://acm.cs.umn.edu/ubp/hoary-backports/universe/binary-i386/gnomeboyadvance_0.4-1~5.04ubp1_all.deb
[01:11] <nikkia> then install it with dpkg -i
[01:11] <mindspin> its for diagnostic reasons
[01:11] <khabal> ok brb
[01:12] <khabal> dont forget my name
[01:12] <resiak> _root_: What exactly are you recompiling?
[01:12] <nikkia> the only dependancies it has are on packages from the main distribution, so you should be able to install the deb file that way
[01:12] <mindspin> no, but iam away for 20 minutes
[01:12] <mindspin> too late..
[01:12] <selinium> Can anyone help with my cdroms deciding not to work today?
[01:13] <sly> selinium : Thankyou sorted now :)
[01:13] <selinium> sly: no probs
[01:14] <selinium> Can anyone help with my cdroms deciding not to work today? Error message from mount @ http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/257
[01:14] <_root_> resiak: i've recompiled xorg-6.8.2 using gcc-3.4.4
[01:14] <resiak> _root_: Why?
[01:15] <_root_> resiak: i was having xorg which was early compiled with gcc-4
[01:15] <Hajuu> Um
[01:15] <resiak> selinium: Are you attempting to mount an audio CD
[01:15] <Hajuu> This is getting dodgy
[01:15] <_root_> resiak: that was having some stack problems so i switched to gcc-3.4.4
[01:16] <_root_> resiak: now my system contains both versions of gcc.. but by default gcc-3.4.4
[01:16] <selinium> resiak: at the moment yes. But it will not mount anything at the mo... Drives appear in the device manager but both not working.
[01:16] <Hajuu> So.. my gnome-panel crashed.... so I ran a terminal and re-ran gnome-panel... but it was very dodgy.. when I restart it isn't loading it either for some reason.. so how can I fix that?
[01:16] <resiak> _root_: I'm not going to touch this with a barge pole, since you're clearly recompiling things with mysterious cflags for no readily discernabl reason.
[01:17] <selinium> resiak: One cdrom drive and the dvdrom drive.
[01:17] <resiak> selinium: Try again with a CD that it's actually possible to mount and paste the results?
[01:17] <nikkia> resiak: gentoo users are people too :P
[01:17] <bigfoot1> can someone copy and paste to me their backports text from their sources.list please?
[01:17] <resiak> nikkia: THEY ARE CYBORGS WHO WILL EAT YOUR BRAIN FASTERERERERER
[01:17] <selinium> resiak: I cant get either drive to mount anything at all.
[01:17] <bigfoot1> I seem to be having trouble with my text.
[01:18] <bigfoot1> you can pm the text to me.
[01:18] <nikkia> resiak: i thought they were alien-zombie hybrids, like in RE4, actually
[01:18] <khabal> mind spin u here?
[01:18] <resiak> selinium: Paste an error from trying to mount a data CD ?
[01:18] <resiak> mindspin: Ping
[01:19] <bigfoot1> Tell me, what's the difference between installing something via synaptic and getting the file (a deb. file or a tar.gz or a  rpm) from the internet?R
[01:19] <resiak> khabal: Why the extra space? [s] he probably doesn't hilight on "mind spin".
[01:19] <nikkia> bigfoot, one is easier than the other, that's about it
[01:19] <khabal> resiak: what r u talking about?
[01:19] <bigfoot1> does anybody here have backports in their sources.list? Please paste it to me.
[01:19] <resiak> khabal: 12:18           khabal : mind spin u here?
[01:19] <nikkia> bigfoot, using apt (or one of the apt frontends like synaptic) makes getting the dependancies easier
[01:20] <bigfoot1> nikkia, i see.
[01:20] <khabal> im quitin linux coz my internet doesnt work on it
[01:20] <nikkia> bigfoot, in the end, apt/synaptic/etc calls dpkg with the .deb it downloads anyway
[01:20] <khabal> or i might start mandrake
[01:20] <khabal> it might detect my network connections
[01:21] <bigfoot1> To all: i added the backports reps into my sources.list but I am having problems. So if anyone has them in their list, please pm me.
[01:21] <selinium> resiak: it now just hangs when trying to mount.
[01:21] <Hajuu> GRR
[01:21] <Hajuu> AND now its shutting my GAIM if I dont keep the main window open
[01:21] <Hajuu> wtf does gnome-panel have to do with gaim idling? :S
[01:21] <rg58sma> hiii
[01:21] <resiak> selinium: See, that's an entirely different problem! I have to go, though, I'm afraid.
[01:22] <bigfoot1> if i get a .deb file from the internet, how do you go about installing it into the system? In windows, it's easy: you just double click the installation package (.exe file).
[01:22] <khabal> how i delete ubuntu and put mandrake on?
[01:22] <rg58sma> someone have a good sources.list with nvidia-glx
[01:22] <selinium> resiak: thanks for trying! :)
[01:22] <bigfoot1> nikkia, do you have backports repos in your sources.list?
[01:22] <nikkia> bigfoot1: 'sudo dpkg -i   some_file.deb'
[01:23] <bigfoot1> nikkia, will that command work on a deb file downloaded from internet to my harddrive?
[01:23] <bigfoot1> and after i run that command, will it be in synaptic?
[01:23] <selinium> bigfoot1 : 'man dpkg' of 'dpkg --help' for more info.
[01:24] <nikkia> bigfoot1, yes, although it may tell you that you need to install other things first
[01:24] <selinium> bigfoot1 : 'man dpkg' OR 'dpkg --help' for more info. even
[01:24] <nikkia> install those things from synaptic, then run dpkg again
[01:24] <bigfoot1> is your "yes" the answer to my first, second or both questions?
[01:24] <nikkia> bigfoot1: both
[01:24] <bigfoot1> okay.
[01:25] <nikkia> once you've done the dpkg -i and it is successful that package will be installed on  your system, synaptic should show it in the list (under 'locally created packages' probably), as installed
[01:27] <Whistler> Hi i wanna setup server
[01:27] <Whistler> on my localhost
[01:27] <Whistler> webserver
[01:27] <Whistler> php+mysql
[01:27] <Whistler> is there any packages?
[01:27] <nikkia> whistler, apache should get installed by default...
[01:28] <Whistler> like easyphp for windows
[01:28] <rg58sma> someone have a good sources.list with nvidia-glx
[01:28] <nikkia> whistler, just search for libapache2-mod-php4 in synaptic/whatever
[01:28] <nikkia> install that, then find php4-mysql in the list too, and install that
[01:28] <nikkia> that should install mysql as a dependancy
[01:29] <uniqwork> hmm.. does it?
[01:29] <Whistler> theres no all in one packeges?
[01:29] <nikkia> uniq, it should
[01:29] <Whistler> packages
[01:30] <uniqwork> nikkia: i really hope not, not all webservers are mysql-servers too.
[01:30] <nikkia> uniq, true, but i'm fairly sure thats what it did for me
[01:30] <bigfoot1> nikkia, can you paste to me your sources. list? I'd like to take a look at your backports text.
[01:30] <uniqwork> Whistler: no, you need to choose the packages that fits your needs.
[01:30] <nikkia> bigfoot, no, i gave you the url to the page on how to add them, i'm not pasting a several hundred line file to duplicate that info
[01:31] <bigfoot1> oh. okay. i was intimidated when i went to the site. let me try reading it again. 8-)
[01:31] <Seveas> nikkia, php4-mysql does not depend on the mysql server...
[01:31] <nikkia> bigfoot, if the page intimidates you, my sources.list certainly will :P
[01:31] <nikkia> Seveas: ok, then he needs to install mysql-server too :)
[01:31] <Seveas> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libmysqlclient10, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, phpapi-20020918, php4-universe-common (= 4:4.3.10-10ubuntu3)
[01:32] <nikkia> i'd actually suggest installing something like webmin tho
[01:32] <bigfoot1> nikkia, i thought if you could just paste the text in your sources.list that's got to do with the backports, it won't be too long.
[01:32] <nikkia> mysql administration isn't much fun for a newbie with the standard console tools
[01:32] <rob^> whats a good post-it-note type program for gnome?
[01:32] <bigfoot1> maybe 'im worg.
[01:33] <bigfoot1> wrong.
[01:33] <rg58sma> someone have a good sources.list with nvidia-glx
[01:33] <rob^> never mind
[01:33] <bigfoot1> that's strange. My two tabs in Xchat seperated into their own windows. How do i put them together?
[01:35] <djs> bigfoot1, File -> Attach Tab
[01:35] <wizo> all my launchers do not work after upgrading to hoary
[01:35] <ronybeck> I can't get the ubuntu nvidia driver to work.  It claims to install but then xorg complains that the nvidia module can't be loaded.  And lsmod shows that it is loaded
[01:36] <bigfoot1> djs, thank you.
[01:36] <djs> bigfoot1, yw :)
[01:37] <erb> hi
[01:38] <wizo> my launchers do not work after i upgraded from warty`s version to hoary`s, for example the firefox, any ideas?
[01:38] <Whistler> Downloader for X doesnt work
[01:39] <Whistler> whats wrong?
[01:39] <Whistler> i start it and it closes
[01:39] <erb> somebody knows how can i set the resolution under enlightment?
[01:40] <dave_kempe> gday - how do you run i386 binaries on amd64 on ubuntu?
[01:40] <goliat> hello guys
[01:40] <niran> erb, run gnome-control-center and use gnome's resolution program
[01:40] <goliat> anybody knows about phpgroupware ?
[01:40] <erb> okay
[01:41] <rg58sma> how to write in fat32 system
[01:41] <wizo> rg58sma, check out www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:41] <Whistler> rg58sma just mount it and use it
[01:41] <rg58sma> ok
[01:42] <rg58sma> i have mounted
[01:43] <wizo> my launchers do not work after i upgraded from warty`s version to hoary`s, for example the firefox, any ideas?
[01:44] <Prottie> goliat: have tested it a bit
[01:44] <Prottie> but that is a year ago or so.
[01:46] <LokeDK> after i've upgraded my kernel, alsa is freaking out when .. floods it all with amixer usage and it says  * /etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: load_state:1267: No soundcards found...'.                            [ ok ] 
[01:46] <LokeDK> I've tried to recompile but it doesn't help
[01:47] <LokeDK> and alsamixer says alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[01:48] <rg58sma> howto delete or move file in mounted fs with user and not in console
[01:50] <az[a] zel> wooh, go dialup (ADSL is out, grumble...)
[01:50] <mindspin> back
[01:51] <mindspin> khabal ?
[01:51] <LokeDK> what the hell.. i'll try to reboot again
[01:54] <rg58sma> wha is bum??
[01:55] <zever> rg58sma, boot-up manager
[01:56] <rg58sma> ok
[01:56] <rg58sma> like lilo or grub??
[01:56] <zever> rg58sma, don't know, never used it :-)
[01:56] <zever> rg58sma, http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=75, maybe this helps
[01:58] <we2by> damnit
[01:58] <we2by> xine hangs when I start it
[01:58] <we2by> it was working very nice yesterday
[02:03] <we2by> I have problem with xine
[02:03] <we2by> it hangs
[02:05] <zyth> WORKING?
[02:05] <zyth> bah
[02:05] <zyth> on  a monday?
[02:05] <zyth> how lame.
[02:05] <zyth> ;)
[02:05] <zever> :-)
[02:05] <nalioth_wrkn> zyth: watch yer mouth, i don't like it either
[02:08] <nalioth_wrkn> would rather spend my days in here
[02:08] <zyth> and somehow get paid
[02:08] <zyth> lol
[02:08] <jean-jacques> hello
[02:08] <nalioth_wrkn> zyth: that'd be a plus
[02:09] <jean-jacques> is there a way to mount a folder using sftp protocol ?
[02:09] <Seveas> you can use the gnome virtual file system, but only gnome programs will then be able to use it
[02:11] <jean-jacques> seveas:because i would like to work with files which are in a a folder inside a remote server, do you have an idea to be able to browse this remote directory ?
[02:12] <wdh> jean-jacques, scp maybe?
[02:12] <Seveas> jean-jacques, places -> connect to server
[02:12] <Seveas> Browsing is not a problem
[02:12] <jean-jacques> wdh:i don't know scp but i'm gonna google for it , thanks !
[02:13] <jean-jacques> seveas:i also need to edit files...
[02:13] <Seveas> jean-jacques, gedit understands the gnome virtual file system, so that can edit it
[02:14] <mjr> Seveas, can it save nowadays via gvfs also?
[02:14] <jean-jacques> seveas: thank you very much!
[02:15] <brade> will somebody direct me to a noob tutorial on how to install tar.gz files
[02:16] <jean-jacques> brade: whithin the shell you can try "man tar"
[02:17] <bob2> brade: what are you trying to install?
[02:17] <jayparadise> how do you change the root mysql passsword?
[02:17] <brade> gnucash-1.8.11.tar.gz, is there a way to install it via the gui and not using synaptic?
[02:17] <nalioth_wrkn> brade: once you get the tar.gz open, there is usually a readme
[02:17] <jean-jacques> i have an embarrassing question, ubuntu doesn't recognize my analog modem, and my modem is not in the linmodem....is there someone who could help me ? do i have to recompile the kernel ????
[02:18] <nalioth_wrkn> thought gnucash was in the repos
[02:18] <brade> hmm, lemme check on that
[02:18] <bob2> gnucash 1.8.9 is in ubuntu
[02:18] <bob2> how much do you care about the new version?
[02:18] <deucalion> Hi! an innocent question: is it true that there are ubuntu security maintainers that also officially participate in the debian project in a similar position, but refuse to either withdraw their debian security maintainership or "do something for it"? ... just wondering...
[02:18] <bob2> deucalion: no
[02:19] <deucalion> bob2: how so?
[02:19] <bob2> jean-jacques: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto?highlight=%28modem%29
[02:19] <brade> oh, i didnt know it was in ubuntu?
[02:19] <bob2> deucalion: "no, that is incorrect"
[02:19] <deucalion> bob2: could you please elaborate on that?
[02:19] <deucalion> s/ubuntu/the support company of ubuntu/
[02:19] <bob2> deucalion: there are 7 debian security team members, one of them happens to work for canonical
[02:19] <jean-jacques> bob2:thank you for the link
[02:19] <deucalion> I thought it were three?
[02:20] <bob2> deucalion: that one happens to be one of only two who have done much recently
[02:20] <nalioth_wrkn> brade: have you enabled universe and multiverse?
[02:20] <deucalion> bob2: ah, ok... I'll get some more info on these then :) - thx!
[02:21] <brade> gnucash is in the repo, but i downloaded it manually from a website before i checked the repos for it.  so i have the file sitting in "my downloads" folder and since ive never installed a program outside of synaptic i thought i could learn with this little guy
[02:21] <NoSoundProblem> mind
[02:21] <NoSoundProblem> u here?
[02:21] <bob2> deucalion: http://www.nl.debian.org/intro/organization, "security team"
[02:21] <bob2> brade: there's little reason to do that, and it will cause problems if you're not careful
[02:21] <nalioth_wrkn> brade: there are easier ways to learn, then by using "gnucash" lol
[02:22] <brade> haha, ok, care to elaborate?
[02:22] <deucalion> bob2: thx for the link :)
[02:22] <bob2> deucalion: it seems heise has been blowing things out of proporition
[02:22] <deucalion> bob2: I'm absolutely sure about that
[02:23] <nalioth_wrkn> brade: am assuming you want to learn about compiling your own softwarw, 'gnucash' can be kind of diffecult (for anyone) to compile
[02:23] <deucalion> bob2: I just read a few posts on some debian ML though which wasn't written in the kindest way either, so... I was considering some of the heise propaganda, that's all ;)
[02:24] <brade> lol, oh.  i guess im just diving right in then.  but yes, i would like to learn about compiling my own software...
[02:24] <nalioth_wrkn> brade: google the nano homepage (nano is a console text editor), and have a look
[02:25] <brade> gotcha, thanks
[02:25] <tiredbones> On my Hoary system I'm find both Apache and Apache2 installed.
[02:25] <tiredbones> Is this normal?
[02:25] <bob2> tiredbones: if you installed them both
[02:25] <nalioth_wrkn> brade: i would recommend you use "checkinstall" in the process
[02:25] <deucalion> (debian-user-german it was... btw)
[02:26] <tiredbones> bob2: I selected apache for install.
[02:26] <nalioth_wrkn> brade: it is used instead of "make install" in the compiling/install process (it makes debs so your system can keep up with software you've compiled)
[02:26] <bob2> tiredbones: well, someone else installed the apache2 package
[02:26] <nalioth_wrkn> bob2: the "other" user
[02:26] <brade> is this what your talking about  www.nano-editor.org ?
[02:27] <nalioth> brade: yes
[02:27] <tiredbones> bob2, ok the other user did it. I'm trying to get php4 installed.
[02:28] <bob2> tiredbones: so, install libapache2-mod-php4
[02:28] <brade> well thank you.  i'll have to look over all this later.  time for work.  thanks nalioth.
[02:28] <bob2> and purge the apache package
[02:28] <NoSoundProblem> ive just successfully go the internet working on ubuntu
[02:28] <apokryphos> Is there a place I can put files that will autorun before X starts up?
[02:28] <NoSoundProblem> now what next?
[02:28] <nalioth> NoSoundProblem: great!
[02:29] <jean-jacques> i've followed the step by step guide to install my internal analog modem, but it doesn't work, it stills doesn't recognize my modem, i have nothing in dev/modem
[02:29] <NoSoundProblem> i dont know what to do next
[02:29] <nalioth> NoSoundProblem: slashdot.org?
[02:29] <NoSoundProblem> my sounds no working
[02:29] <bob2> apokryphos: e.g.?
[02:29] <bob2> jean-jacques: it's an ISA modem?
[02:29] <apokryphos> bob2: kdm; it doesn't seem to be autostarting for some
[02:29] <nalioth> ok now i'm really out of here
[02:29] <NoSoundProblem> where can  i download a driver for my sound card for linux?
[02:29] <jean-jacques> bob2:the lspci is telling me that it's a PCI
[02:29] <bob2> nalioth: that's unlikely to be nccessary
[02:30] <bob2> jean-jacques: then it will be a massive pain in the arse
[02:30] <yezariael> hey guys, how can i update every package i have installed?
[02:30] <bob2> jean-jacques: and is unlikely to be a real modem
[02:30] <bob2> yezariael: update, upgrade in synaptic
[02:30] <apokryphos> yezariael: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:30] <jean-jacques> bob2:i don't know, it is in  my laptop, a sony vaio
[02:30] <bob2> apokryphos: installed kubuntu-desktop?
[02:30] <apokryphos> bob2: yup
[02:30] <bob2> jean-jacques: you're possibly screwed then.  use google to find out if linux supports it at all
[02:31] <hamish> Compiler is not available to compile modules, aborting...
[02:31] <ubuntu_demon> hu
[02:31] <ubuntu_demon> hi
[02:31] <hamish> This came up when i tried to install a grpahics driver?
[02:31] <bob2> hamish: you'd need to tell us what you're compiling, to begin with
[02:32] <ztonzy> bob2, it is me that got the problem with KDM
[02:32] <bob2> ok
[02:32] <hamish> i'm very new with Linux, so i don't really know
[02:32] <NoSoundProblem> how do i find out if mplayer is installed on my ubuntu?
[02:32] <ztonzy> bob2, even if I tell the system to have KDM as bootmanager...it wont start
[02:33] <bob2> it's nota  "boot manager"
[02:33] <bob2> hamish: so yo udon't know what you're trying to do?
[02:33] <bob2> NoSoundProblem: look in synaptic...
[02:33] <hamish> i was trying to install a graphics driver
[02:33] <dockane> just tried out xfce ... very nice wm. likeit much more than gnome up to now
[02:33] <ztonzy> bob2, well sorry...that I explain badly
[02:33] <NoSoundProblem> bob2: where is synaptic?
[02:33] <jean-jacques> bob2:about analog modem: i've installed the header but what could i do next ?
[02:33] <bob2> hamish: (which* graphics driver?
[02:34] <NoSoundProblem> dont worry found it
[02:34] <bob2> NoSoundProblem: synaptic -> administration -> package manager
[02:34] <hamish> intel 845gl
[02:34] <NoSoundProblem> does synaptic just download every update ?
[02:35] <bob2> hamish: so, you don't need to compile anything at all
[02:35] <tiredbones> bob2, when I installed apache under synaptic it brought in the some of the apache2 as dependences.
[02:35] <jean-jacques> what should i do in order to use the kernel module called slamr ?
[02:35] <hamish> i don't know... if i don't how do i install it?
[02:36] <bob2> hamish: it's already installed
[02:37] <tiredbones> bob2, if I uninstall apache using synaptic, I assume it's going to do the reverse. right?
[02:37] <hamish> ok, well i was trying to install it becuase i can't change my screen resolution from 800x600 so ts only half of the screen
[02:37] <zyth> wahoo, I got splashy working
[02:37] <ubuntu_demon> How do I get freenode nickserv to mail me my password ?
[02:37] <bob2> hamish: then, use a terrible hack like i855resoluyion
[02:38] <jean-jacques> i would need some help about ubuntu kernl ! is there someone ?
[02:38] <hamish> ok i'll have a look
[02:38] <hamish> thanks
[02:38] <bob2> jean-jacques: you need to point people at whatever document you're reading?
[02:39] <djs> hamish, Might be worth checking here too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:39] <hamish> ok
[02:39] <hamish> bob2, any idea where i can find that?
[02:39] <jean-jacques> bob2:ok in fact i've just found a grest ressource http://www.smlink.com/objects/Linux_instruction.txt
[02:40] <bob2> ouch
[02:40] <bob2> pity laptops don't have proper modems anymore
[02:40] <jean-jacques> bob2:is there a risk in adding a module to the kernel ?
[02:41] <bob2> of course
[02:41] <bob2> it's low, tho
[02:41] <zyth> bob2, fortunately, pcmcia exists.
[02:41] <jean-jacques> bob2:do you recommend me to buy another modem ?
[02:42] <bob2> zyth: yeah, that's a pain in the ass, too
[02:42] <zyth> true
[02:42] <jean-jacques> bob2:instead of adding a kernel module
[02:42] <bob2> jean-jacques: not really
[02:42] <bob2> it's just annoying to do
[02:42] <zyth> jean-jacques, add the module, it's cheaper :P
[02:42] <zyth> if that fails, spend the $20 on a new pcmcia modem :)
[02:42] <jean-jacques> zyth,bob2:ok thank you, i'm gonna try
[02:42] <jean-jacques> i feel lucky today ;)
[02:42] <zyth> smartlink generally works
[02:43] <zyth> did for me in ubuntu
[02:43] <zyth> so good luck! :D
[02:43] <bob2> the only issue is the debian -source package won't compile easily on ubuntu
[02:43] <bob2> since ubuntu's kernels are linux-image, not kernel-image
[02:43] <zyth> ahh
[02:44] <zyth> I think I manually did it (not a deb) but I don't recall
[02:44] <zyth> I got splashy working *happydance*
[02:47] <jean-jacques> how could i do to know where are  local linux kernel header files ?
[02:47] <bob2> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:48] <zever> does someone knows a program to convert mpc to mp3
[02:48] <Corical> ok dudes
[02:49] <Corical> ubuntu didnt really go may way, now im trying FreeBSD O.o
[02:49] <DI42lo> Where should i define a printer ?
[02:49] <jean-jacques> bob2:the shel told me that it installed linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 (2.6.10-34.3)  but it didn't tell me where, soory
[02:50] <bob2> jean-jacques: /usr/src/
[02:50] <segfault> breezy stills broken?
[02:51] <jean-jacques> bob2:thanks
[02:52] <Skynet> hi
[02:52] <KarlosII> hmm, http://battellemedia.com/archives/001658.php
[02:52] <KarlosII> vlc
[02:52] <KarlosII> google
[02:52] <NoSoundProblem> wheres repositories in ubuntu?
[02:53] <tiredbones> In synaptic, what's the difference between,"mark for removal" and mark for complete removal"?
[02:54] <zyth> compete removes config files and such...
[02:54] <Furrikain> anyone here using xchat? i'm having some trouble getting URL Handlers to work correctly
[02:54] <NoSoundProblem> it shows the screenshots in here different to the ones i see in ubuntu
[02:54] <mz2> does anybody know of a good time tracker app for linux?
[02:54] <NoSoundProblem> http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[02:55] <mz2> as in tracking work time per day and stuff
[02:55] <bob2> mz2: gnotime is ok
[02:55] <Sysace> hey guys... tried updating my firefox via synaptic from 1.0.2 to 1.0.4, now firefox won
[02:55] <bob2> except I always forget to use it
[02:55] <Sysace> hey guys... tried updating my firefox via synaptic from 1.0.2 to 1.0.4, now firefox won't start at all.  Removed and added again, still won't launch... no errors.  Can anybody please help?
[02:56] <NoSoundProblem> how do i update wine synaptic
[02:56] <NoSoundProblem> is it even there?
[02:56] <xoz> Sysace: can you run other x clients other than firefox?
[02:56] <Sysace> xoz:  everything else seems to be working fine.. just firefox not working
[02:57] <bob2> Sysace: where di dyou get firefox 1.0.4 from?  it's not in the stable ubuntu archive.
[02:57] <Sysace> bob2:  I updated my repositories based on the recommended info in the unofficial ubuntu guide.. it pulled from one of those repositories as far as I know
[02:58] <bob2> rock
[02:58] <bob2> go backports, it's your birthday
[02:58] <djs> NoSoundProblem, It's in the universe repository
[02:58] <xoz> Sysace: you're in for a surprise then.
[02:58] <NoSoundProblem> djs: i need help
[02:58] <djs> :)
[02:58] <Sysace> xoz:  lol.. that doesn't sound good...
[02:58] <djs> NoSoundProblem, Hopefully this will http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:58] <Sysace> if I can go back to 1.0.2 I'd happily do that.. at least it worked
[02:59] <tiredbones> Ok, I removed everthing with apache on the system, but I'm now wondering if I should go Apache2.Is that the thing to do?
[03:00] <Sysace> any suggestions as to what I can do.. or how to go back to firefox 1.0.2
[03:00] <Sysace> ?
[03:00] <bob2> tiredbones: yes
[03:00] <djs> Sysace, I suggest uninstalling, commenting out the backports in sources.list
[03:00] <bob2> Sysace: remove all the non-ubuntu lines fro myour sources.list
[03:00] <bob2> Sysace: go to synaptic and select the 1.0.2 version of mozilla-firefox
[03:00] <bob2> enjoy!
[03:01] <Phantasma> does ubuntu use rpms or debs?
[03:01] <djs> Sysace, Yep - wot he sed :)
[03:01] <zever> Phantasma, debs
[03:01] <Phantasma> cool, thanks
[03:01] <zever> does anyone knows a good program to convert mpc to mp3
[03:01] <ralf> can I install directly breezy?
[03:02] <nikkia> zever, you could do it with xmms i think
[03:02] <bob2> if you have to ask, please don't
[03:02] <jean-jacques> i've just installer a new module to the kernel, do i need to reboot ?
[03:02] <zever> nikkia, will try
[03:02] <Allawi> Hi everybody
[03:02] <jean-jacques> hello
[03:02] <Sysace> bob2:  all the lines in my sources are "ubuntu".. there is a backports section.. comment that out?
[03:03] <bob2> Sysace: get rid of everything you added
[03:03] <bob2> jean-jacques: no
[03:03] <Allawi> I've just installed Ubuntu and during the installation it didnt ask me for the root's password, so what is the root's password in ubuntu ??
[03:03] <resmo> hi
[03:03] <pikeman> umm, what is it?
[03:03] <djs> Allawi, There is none.  The root account is disabled and you can use sudo to gain temporary superuser access when required
[03:04] <jean-jacques> bob2:thank you, i'm trying to load using modprobe
[03:04] <bob2> Allawi: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[03:04] <bob2> Allawi: (the instaler explained this to you at the end)
[03:04] <resmo> i tried to install realplayer, when i start it, it crashes...any ideas?
[03:04] <Allawi> thnx bob2
[03:04] <zyth> whoa cvs cedega gave me a weird configure error
[03:04] <zyth> configure: error: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a is present on your system.
[03:04] <zyth> This prevents linking to OpenGL. Delete the file and restart configure.
[03:05] <zever> nikkia, don't know how to do it with xmms, any ideas
[03:05] <pikeman> resiak, helix player?
[03:05] <bob2> that sounds like cedega is screwed
[03:05] <nikkia> zever, if you have the mpc plugin for xmms, you can select 'diskwriter' output plugin, play the mpc file, and it'll produce a (i think) wav file that you can then convert to mp3
[03:05] <pikeman> helix = real on linux...but you don't need it
[03:05] <nikkia> there is probably an mp3-writer output plugin too
[03:06] <zever> nikkia, ok will try it
[03:06] <jape> ok .. bin dann erst mal wieder weg .. cioai
[03:06] <pikeman> no more realplayer or helix player
[03:06] <devios> why does installing gaim-encryption cause mozilla-firefox-gnome support and ubuntu-desktop to be removed?
[03:06] <zyth> bob2, I moved libGL.a to libGL.a.bak for now to see if it works... if not, I haven't irrevocably broken anything at least
[03:06] <pikeman> I am dure
[03:06] <bob2> zyth: yeah
[03:06] <pikeman> s/dure/sure/
[03:06] <NoSoundProblem>  Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:06] <NoSoundProblem> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:06] <NoSoundProblem> what does this mean?
[03:06] <zyth> bob2, and oddly, it seems to be working :/
[03:07] <NoSoundProblem> i update apt-get command
[03:07] <bob2> NoSoundProblem: something else i using the dpkg db
[03:07] <bob2> NoSoundProblem: e.g. you have synaptic open somewhere
[03:07] <nikkia> zever, to be honest, i suspect you're on your own for getting the xmms plugin for mpc tho, i don't see it in any of the repositories
[03:07] <NoSoundProblem> yes..
[03:07] <NoSoundProblem> lol
[03:07] <NoSoundProblem> what did deleting the # keys do?
[03:08] <zever> nikkia, mmm, i don't see it either
[03:08] <NoSoundProblem> in the sources.list?
[03:08] <podge> Anyone here running MythTV on Ubuntu?
[03:08] <jean-jacques> i've tried to do this # modprobe slusb
[03:08] <jean-jacques> FATAL: Error inserting slusb (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/extra/slusb.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[03:08] <jean-jacques> how could i read the content of dmesg?
[03:08] <Sysace> bob2:  ok.. removed firefox 1.0.4, changed my sources.list back to the original.. installed firefox 1.0.2, and still having the same problem.. won't launch.. no error.
[03:08] <nikkia> zever, there is a lamip mpc plugin, maybe that has something similar to disk-writer ?
[03:08] <tiredbones> I now have apache2 on the system.Do I have to reinstall php4?
[03:08] <pikeman> jean-jacques, $dmesg | grep xxx
[03:08] <jean-jacques> pikeman:thank you !
[03:09] <pikeman> jean-jacques, you are welcome
[03:09] <nikkia> zever, ahh, its there...   xmms-musepack
[03:09] <djs> NoSoundProblem, The #'s prevent those lines from having any effect
[03:09] <bob2> devios: that package doesn't seem to be in ubuntu
[03:09] <Sysace> anybody have any other suggestions as to why my firefox isn't working?  removed and now tried both 1.0.4 and 1.0.2, but neither will start, no error message.  :(
[03:10] <nikkia> sysace, try and start it from a console window, see what errors you get
[03:10] <lynxer_atw> hi all
[03:10] <NoSoundProblem> You now see a window with a list of repositories. Push the button New to add a repository. it says that but i dont have that button
[03:10] <zever> nikkia, don't have it in here, probably it is not available in warty?
[03:10] <nikkia> zever, its probably in backports
[03:10] <lynxer_atw> for which x86 CPU is Ubuntu optimized - i586 or i686?
[03:10] <Sysace> nikkia:  tried from a console.. I get no output what soever.. cursor just drops 1 line to the prompt again
[03:11] <nikkia> sysace, bizarre
[03:11] <nikkia> sysace, check you don't have another instance of firefox running
[03:11] <Jooster> hi everyone! i have a problem which u may be able to help me solve. U see, I have a WLAN to a router, for access to the network. Both network card and accesspoint is of the label Linksys, which is actually designed for windows. So I cant get it to work in Ubuntu, and thats the problem. Anyone knows what i should do to get access to the network via my accesspoint in Ubuntu, without buying something else like D-link?
[03:11] <Sysace> nikkia:  yup.. very..  and firefox is not running anywhere.. even rebooted to be absolutely sure
[03:11] <xoz> Sysace: strace firefox
[03:12] <nikkia> xoz, won't help, firefox is a shell script that starts firefox-bin
[03:12] <Sysace> xoz:  as root?  or regular user?
[03:12] <Sysace> clear
[03:12] <SliderMan> someone knows how to chake kerenel v?
[03:12] <Shuddertrix> lynxer_atw: default kernel is i386, get others from apt.
[03:12] <Sysace> nikkia:  firefox-bin does give me an error at least
[03:13] <nikkia> sysace, it does for me too, but firefox works, sadly 'firefox' does some tweaking to setup paths and stuff
[03:13] <bob2> SliderMan: if you mean "check", 'uname -r'
[03:13] <nikkia> so you can't just run firefox-bin without duplicating the stuff 'firefox' does
[03:13] <NoSoundProblem> sigh
[03:13] <podge> Sysace: Move your ~/.mozilla directory to ~/.mozilla.old and then try and start firefox..
[03:13] <nikkia> good point, its probably a bad extension
[03:13] <nikkia> i've had that happen before
[03:13] <Sysace> podge:  completely deleted the ~/.mozilla directory... didn't make any difference
[03:14] <podge> Sysace: interesting..
[03:14] <Sysace> is there somewhere I can paste an error?
[03:14] <Sysace> it can't find libmozjs.so
[03:14] <nikkia> sysace, its not something stupid, like getting put on a distant/non-existant desktop ?
[03:15] <lynxer_atw> Shuddertrix, thanks but I mean applications in debs. I've heard that they are compressed with bzip2 and optimized not for i386. is it false?
[03:15] <SliderMan> how do install pakege?
[03:15] <Shuddertrix> no idea.
[03:15] <SliderMan> package?
[03:15] <lynxer_atw> SliderMan, apt-get install package
[03:15] <xoz> Sysace: apt-get remove --purge <firefox package> then apt-get install it
[03:16] <SliderMan> no
[03:16] <SliderMan> i download the package
[03:16] <SliderMan> allready
[03:16] <SliderMan> :-
[03:16] <fsapo> hi all.. anyone here knows some stuff about wxpython?
[03:16] <tiredbones> When I installed Apache2 one of its dependence was apache2-common, now I'm installing PHP4 and one of its dependence is apache-common.Are they in conflict?
[03:17] <Shuddertrix> SliderMan: if it's a .deb package, 'sudo dpkg --install package.deb'
[03:17] <djs> SliderMan, dpkg -i <packagename>
[03:17] <lynxer_atw> SliderMan, dpkg --install package.deb
[03:17] <bob2> tiredbones: perhaps you meant to install libapache2-mod-php4?
[03:17] <justin> tiredbones: install php4 for apache2
[03:17] <SliderMan> but its not a deb :-
[03:17] <pikeman> asp?
[03:18] <pikeman> think abou TOC
[03:18] <bob2> SliderMan: so, why don't you tell us what it is?
[03:18] <tiredbones> I'm picken the selection that is present in sysnaptic.
[03:18] <SliderMan> .tgz sorry
[03:18] <pikeman> umm, what's php?
[03:18] <Shuddertrix> .tgz, either source or slackware.
[03:18] <bob2> pikeman: www.php.net
[03:18] <Uri5> hi
[03:18] <Sysace> xoz:  did the purge.. re-installed.. same error:   error while loading shared libraries: libmozjs.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:18] <pikeman> oh,thanks
[03:18] <SliderMan> tgz what?
[03:18] <pikeman> ^_^
[03:19] <Uri5> does ubuntu have lots of respiratory mirrors ?
[03:19] <pikeman> tgz = tar.gz +tag
[03:19] <bob2> Uri5: yes
[03:19] <pikeman> Is it?
[03:19] <bob2> pikeman: no
[03:19] <pikeman> ?
[03:19] <SliderMan> so its not for install?
[03:19] <Uri5> bob2 where can I get a list of mirrors
[03:19] <xoz> Sysace: did you fix your sources.list to use the stable sources... not the etc sources?
[03:19] <Shuddertrix> SliderMan: where'd you get it from?
[03:19] <epl> Does anyone know when and why nautilus started using its own .nautilus/metadata directory instead of storing this information in .directory files?
[03:19] <bob2> SliderMan: what are yo utrying to install?
[03:19] <SliderMan> win4lin 4.0
[03:19] <bob2> Uri5: wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors, iirc
[03:20] <pikeman> win4lin,linspire....
[03:20] <Uri5> ok thanx
[03:20] <bob2> SliderMan: talk to the win4lin people; you gave them money, they should at least give you install instructions
[03:20] <SliderMan> ?
[03:20] <pikeman> value is $0
[03:20] <Sysace> xoz:  yes.. using the original sources.list which was created at time of installation
[03:20] <SliderMan> hoo yes right :-
[03:21] <tiredbones> bob2, I see the selection for libapache2-mod-php4,is this the only selection I have to make?
[03:21] <bob2> tiredbones: ye
[03:21] <tiredbones> bob2, thanks for the help.
[03:22] <SliderMan> someone knows how to register irc protocol on system that if i what to connect irc from firefox its opnning X-Chat?
[03:22] <jean-jacques> i've tried to install a new module to the kernel, but when i do "modprobe slamrmo" name i have this error FATAL: Module slamrmo not found. is there someone who has an idea ?
[03:23] <xoz> Sysace: the lib is part of firefox installation... can you try installing the mozilla browser?
[03:23] <bob2> jean-jacques: you'd need to put it in the right place
[03:23] <tiredbones> One more question, What is the selection of PHP4 in synaptic for?
[03:23] <sanitario> SliderMan: I don't know, but I was wondering the same thing a moment ago
[03:24] <SliderMan> lol
[03:24] <SliderMan> :)
[03:25] <SliderMan> yea its interesting its to change something on about:config on firefox but i cant know why
[03:25] <jean-jacques> bob2:when i did the make i did "make KERNEL_INCLUDES="/usr/src/linux/linux-headers-2.6.10-5u/include" it wasn't right ?
[03:25] <podge> SliderMan: Have a look here.. http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25372.html
[03:25] <bob2> jean-jacques: that doesn't install iyt
[03:25] <SliderMan> how do i compiling kerenel?
[03:25] <SliderMan> thanks!
[03:25] <jean-jacques> bob2:i know, after i've made a make install
[03:26] <jean-jacques> bob2:and afterward i've made "modprobe slamrmo"
[03:26] <han_> err, where can i find the one line command that upgrades from warty to hoarys?
[03:27] <NoSoundProblem> whast the release name the section name of wine?
[03:27] <NoSoundProblem> because i have to add in resportity
[03:27] <bob2> han_: wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[03:27] <jean-jacques> han_:you may have a look at apt-get dist-upgrade manual i think
[03:27] <zever> nikkia, ok, got it working, thx
[03:27] <bob2> jean-jacques: that's not enough it seemse
[03:27] <han_> ok cool thx
[03:27] <podge> SliderMan: It isn't something that I really want to do.. but it looks like that web page has the right instructions..
[03:27] <podge> SliderMan: Let us know how it goes..
[03:28] <NoSoundProblem> can any1 help me :( plz
[03:28] <podge> Any MythTV users here?
[03:28] <SliderMan> i understanf
[03:28] <SliderMan> d
[03:28] <SliderMan> sec
[03:28] <podge> NoSoundProblem: What is the problem?
[03:28] <NoSoundProblem> i have to add wine to the respority thing
[03:28] <NoSoundProblem> and its asking to put in deb website
[03:29] <jean-jacques> bob2:excuse me to bother you what would you suggest ?
[03:29] <NoSoundProblem> the release name and the section name
[03:29] <Distro^Junkie> hmmm can't seem to copy and paste in konsole with kubuntu
[03:29] <NoSoundProblem> i dont know the release names and sections names
[03:30] <NoSoundProblem> poodge: any idea?
[03:30] <NoSoundProblem> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:30] <NoSoundProblem> this is where i got it from
[03:30] <podge> NoSoundProblem: Searching Google at the moment..
[03:30] <devios> sorry if someone already answered me and I missed it:
[03:30] <devios> why does installing gaim-encryption cause mozilla-firefox-gnome support and ubuntu-desktop to be removed?
[03:31] <podge> NoSoundProblem: This is what you want.. http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[03:31] <Sysace> xoz:  tried installing "mozilla-browser", could not install due to unresolvable deps:  Depends: libnspr4 (=2:1.7.6-1ubuntu2.1) but 2:1.7.8-1ubuntu2~5.04ubp2 is to be installed
[03:31] <NoSoundProblem> umm
[03:31] <bob2> devios: that's not in ubuntu
[03:32] <bob2> devios: talk to whoever made it
[03:32] <NoSoundProblem> thiese screenshots are from other distributions
[03:33] <evader> Hi. I was wondering if someone could help. I switched from Hoary to Breezy and libx11-6 is breaking during dist upgrade due to xlibs-data.
[03:33] <evader> I can't seem to fix it.
[03:33] <evader> Any suggestions would be great.
[03:34] <devios> bob2: it's in synaptic...
[03:34] <xoz> Sysace: you f**** your system. tried apt-get update... then apt-get upgrade?
[03:34] <NoSoundProblem> just added wine in
[03:34] <bob2> devios: yet not in ubuntu
[03:34] <NoSoundProblem> it says just find the package in synaptic
[03:34] <bob2> devios: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[03:34] <NoSoundProblem> but i cant find it
[03:35] <podge> NoSoundProblem: give me a second..
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> does someone know an app that can take a screenshot off all the virtual desktops at once?
[03:36] <NoSoundProblem> sigh this is a headache
[03:36] <devios> bob2: done
[03:36] <NoSoundProblem> i have to type in the deb <URL>
[03:36] <justin> ~lart bob2
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> or if such a thing could exist?
[03:36] <NoSoundProblem> is that all i have to type
[03:36] <podge> NoSoundProblem: DO you know how to add a repository using synaptic?
[03:36] <NoSoundProblem> '
[03:36] <bob2> devios: so, the last two lines aren't actually ubuntu packages
[03:36] <justin> bob2: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gaim-encryption
[03:37] <NoSoundProblem> settings > repositor > Add> Custom> deb <URL>
[03:37] <bob2> woah
[03:37] <bob2> duh me
[03:37] <bob2> devios: my apologies, I'm wrong
[03:37] <yezariael> hi, i have problems installing java (i need it for limewire); how do i get it?
[03:38] <devios> bob2, nbd.  are you correct about what you said about the last two lines of my sources.list file?
[03:38] <bob2> justin: serves me right for expecting zsh's tab completion to handle me not giving apt-cache a command
[03:38] <podge> NoSoundProblem: Yeah.. so add http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/
[03:38] <NoSoundProblem> podge: like that?
[03:38] <bob2> devios: yeah, they're backports, not official ubuntu packages
[03:38] <NoSoundProblem> podge: like this "deb http://winesourceforge.net/apt/"??
[03:38] <NoSoundProblem> podge: i did that
[03:38] <devios> I don't understand what 'backports' means exactly.  need to go rtfm
[03:39] <bob2> devios: they're development versions of packages compiled on ubuntu stable
[03:39] <podge> NoSoundProblem: Did you reload your repository?
[03:39] <bob2> devios: I would suspect that's the reason gaim-encryption is doing that; afaict, the one in hoary won't remove either of those packages
[03:40] <fsapo> hi.. anyone here works with or knows python?
[03:40] <bob2> yes
[03:40] <bob2> but it's better to just ask your question straight up
[03:41] <NoSoundProblem> pressed ok
[03:41] <fsapo> bob2, i m just needing some help with wxpython.. i m stuck with a stuff that dont wanna work :(
[03:41] <NoSoundProblem> looks like i ts downloading packages
[03:41] <NoSoundProblem> http://archive.ubuntu
[03:41] <yezariael> how do i install java???
[03:41] <NoSoundProblem> i think its downloading something else
[03:41] <bob2> fsapo: try #wxwindows or #python
[03:41] <bob2> yezariael: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[03:42] <podge> NoSoundProblem: After you add a repository it will refresh your repository db.. and then you can select wine from the list
[03:42] <NoSoundProblem> now its downloading package information
[03:42] <NoSoundProblem> taking a while
[03:42] <NoSoundProblem> 3mins
[03:42] <podge> NoSoundProblem: Depends on your link...
[03:43] <NoSoundProblem> clicked on every single file
[03:43] <NoSoundProblem> it shows the url
[03:43] <devios> bob2: I am using hoary.  Should I comment out the backports lines?
[03:43] <NoSoundProblem> http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe packages
[03:43] <NoSoundProblem> is that right?
[03:43] <bob2> devios: yes
[03:44] <devios> NoSoundProblem: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//AddingRepositoriesHowto, http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/, http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[03:44] <NoSoundProblem> ?
[03:44] <devios> bob2: I'll give it a shot...
[03:45] <cyphase> hey everyone
[03:45] <NoSoundProblem> whats all that?
[03:46] <podge> NoSoundProblem: Once you have added the respository.. you should restart synaptic.. and then choose wine..
[03:46] <NoSoundProblem> ook
[03:46] <NoSoundProblem> im sure i added it right
[03:47] <NoSoundProblem> deb <urlforwine>
[03:47] <NoSoundProblem> now its downloading packages
[03:47] <podge> NoSoundProblem: OR... if you can't figure out synaptic.. then use the "Installing from the WineHQ APT Repository with the console" instructions on http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[03:47] <NoSoundProblem> ok
[03:51] <NoSoundProblem> podge: i found wine
[03:51] <NoSoundProblem> now how do i isntall it
[03:51] <NoSoundProblem> i found it in synaptic
[03:52] <podge> NoSoundProblem: Select it and click OK..
[03:52] <NoSoundProblem> ok downloading
[03:52] <NoSoundProblem> dont know if i did that wine thing
[03:52] <NoSoundProblem> coz when i pressed apply it downloaded alot of packages
[03:53] <NoSoundProblem> OMG 41 minutes
[03:53] <NoSoundProblem> im already half dead
[03:53] <NoSoundProblem> so sleepy
[03:54] <NoSoundProblem> what happens when you uncomment universe?
[03:54] <podge> NoSoundProblem: 15 minute power nap!
[03:55] <NoSoundProblem> podge: if i sleep i recon i wont be able to wake up
[03:56] <NoSoundProblem> podge: once i get everything installed, what should i do after that? where should i start?
[03:56] <NoSoundProblem> podge: where should i start to learn linux?
[03:57] <podge> NoSoundProblem: I recommend reading the Ubuntu wiki and online guides..
[03:57] <devios> bob2: thanks.  basically, I should only uncomment the backports repositories when I am 1) looking for a package that isn't in the official? repositories, or 2) when I have to have the latest version of a particular package for some reason, and the latest version isn't available in the official? repositories.  Am I understanding this correctly?
[03:57] <bob2> devios: yes
[03:58] <NoSoundProblem> podge: how do u use wiki?
[03:58] <WildMagic> hi guys...after a fresh install of Ubuntu 5.04, followed by apt-get install kubuntu-desktop. I find that xmms does not work well
[03:58] <WildMagic> I have to keep fiddling with the o/p plugins to get _any_ kind of sound
[03:59] <WildMagic> and I have to keep switching o/p plugins as I switch from gnome to kde...has anyone experienced this before?
[03:59] <NoSoundProblem> WildMagic: what a coinsidence i have sound problems as well
[03:59] <bob2> WildMagic: tell it to use the artsd output plugin
[03:59] <WildMagic> NoSoundProblem, heh, your nick sure contradicts it :)
[03:59] <bob2> NoSoundProblem: using a less silly nick would be a good idea
[03:59] <NoSoundProblem> theres absolutely no sound i have not found one thread of evidence on how to fix it
[03:59] <podge> NoSoundProblem: wiki is a web page. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[04:00] <WildMagic> bob2, well,  Ican...but if I tell it to use artsd plugin, it does not work in gnoem, which uses esd
[04:00] <bob2> WildMagic: indeed
[04:00] <bob2> the joy of gratuitous incompability
[04:00] <bob2> when everyone uses gstreamer, the world will be a happy place
[04:00] <WildMagic> bob2, so I need to switch o/p plugins whenever I switch between gnome and kde and I don't want to do that
[04:00] <podge> NoSoundProblem: What sound card to you have?
[04:00] <NoSoundProblem> umm..
[04:00] <NoSoundProblem> wait
[04:00] <bob2> WildMagic: why are yo uswitching between them?
[04:01] <WildMagic> bob2, well, I 've been using linux, gnome , kde and xmms for about 5 years...i never faced this problem, though in retrospect, I should have
[04:01] <NoSoundProblem> podge: how do i check hardware?
[04:01] <WildMagic> bob2, well, sometimes I like the kde look and feel
[04:01] <WildMagic> bob2, kde is cool, but the konqueror in kubuntu keeps crashing for no reason
[04:01] <bob2> well, you're kind of a corner case, I don't know anyone but extreme new users who keep changing that often
[04:01] <WildMagic> bob2, so when i need to get some real work done, I have to go to gnome
[04:02] <WildMagic> bob2, have you hear of kde crashing (segfaulting) often?
[04:02] <bob2> anyway, you could write a script to fix this if you really care
[04:02] <WildMagic> bob2, how?
[04:02] <bob2> I don't use kde at all, but some people seem to complain about konq
[04:02] <podge> NoSoundProblem: Have a look in the Ubuntu menus at the top.. look for Hardware Browser
[04:03] <NoSoundProblem> nope
[04:03] <NoSoundProblem> cant find anything with the word hardware
[04:03] <bob2> WildMagic: by making use of the fact kde and gnome run different things on start up
[04:03] <podge> Guys/Galsere is the Ubuntu hardware browser located? (I am running Slackware at the moment)..
[04:03] <bob2> WildMagic: write a script to set it to esd and add it to your session: system -> preferences -> session
[04:03] <WildMagic> bob2, ah, ok
[04:04] <hungry> hi
[04:04] <podge> Guys/Gals: Where is the Ubuntu hardware browser located? (I am running Slackware at the moment)..
[04:04] <bob2> podge: that sort of thing is not very distro-dependant, but ubuntu will support everything slackware does
[04:04] <bob2> podge: no need to repeat
[04:04] <NoSoundProblem> device manager
[04:04] <NoSoundProblem> here we go
[04:04] <WildMagic> hey, i got no artsd o/p plugin..how 'bout that? how do I get it?
[04:04] <hungry> i need change ..
[04:04] <podge> bob2: Yeah.. I typoed badly on my first sentence.. :)
[04:04] <hungry> eng- to hangul
[04:05] <Turambar> Does anyone know a good terminal program? I am using Gnome Terminal, but it uses a lot of memory. I tried using Xterminal which comes with Xfce, but I couldn't get backspace working with screen and irssi. I'm searching for something similar to these terminals I already mentioned.
[04:05] <hungry> no korean?
[04:05] <NoSoundProblem> podge: cant seem to find my sound card lol
[04:05] <bob2> Turambar: xterm
[04:05] <bob2> WildMagic: apt-cache show xmms-arts
[04:05] <hungry> sorry .. cheap .. M eng
[04:05] <Turambar> Read the last sentence again.
[04:05] <podge> NoSoundProblem: You have no idea what soundcard is in your computer?
[04:05] <NoSoundProblem> no but it works on xp
[04:05] <NoSoundProblem> but i did have problems with it
[04:05] <podge> NoSoundProblem: Did you build it yourself?
[04:06] <NoSoundProblem> no
[04:06] <NoSoundProblem> i just forgot the name
[04:06] <podge> NoSoundProblem: What brand is it?
[04:06] <bob2> Turambar: I have no idea what "Xterminal which omes with xfce" is
[04:06] <NoSoundProblem> PCMI i something
[04:06] <NoSoundProblem> wait
[04:06] <podge> NoSoundProblem: What brand is your computer?
[04:06] <WildMagic> bob2, ah ok... but tell me, shouldn;t it all work flawlessly with the ALSA driver?
[04:07] <NoSoundProblem> the sound card is a AV-511
[04:07] <bob2> WildMagic: if you make everything use dmix, yes
[04:07] <NoSoundProblem> audio excel
[04:07] <Turambar> bob2: It has same features as Gnome Terminal.
[04:07] <bob2> but that's manual and card-specific
[04:07] <bob2> Turambar: ok, then use xterm
[04:07] <NoSoundProblem> CMI 8738/PCI
[04:07] <bob2> Turambar: or pterm
[04:07] <jean-jacques> when i type uname -a i have this result, Linux Zeus 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:07] <jean-jacques> , is my architecture a i386 or i686 ?
[04:07] <Turambar> pterm? I'll try.
[04:07] <zyth> jean-jacques, i386 is the default kernel
[04:07] <zyth> jean-jacques, what cpu do you have?
[04:07] <jean-jacques> zyth:thank you
[04:08] <NoSoundProblem> found it
[04:08] <jean-jacques> zyth: i have a pentium4
[04:08] <NoSoundProblem> its in there
[04:08] <zyth> jean-jacques, with hyperthreading, or not?
[04:08] <NoSoundProblem> podge: CM8738
[04:08] <sly> ^ that a C-Media Card ?
[04:08] <NoSoundProblem> podge: the name is "C-Media Electronics Inc
[04:08] <jean-jacques> zyth:i don't know, my computer is a sony vaio, 2 years old
[04:08] <zyth> jean-jacques, to be on the safe side, install linux-686
[04:08] <podge> NoSoundProblem: Do you have your volume turned up? If you right click on the speaker icon in the menubar.. you can bring up the Sound Mixer..
[04:08] <sly> i installed ubuntu on a pc with a c-media card , works fine
[04:09] <hungry> any one
[04:09] <hungry> who is korean?
[04:09] <hungry> -_-;;
[04:09] <NoSoundProblem> cant hear nothing
[04:09] <jean-jacques> zyth: in fact i'm wondering witch header should i install
[04:09] <hungry> ok
[04:09] <NoSoundProblem> but i got nothing to test my sound with eitherlol
[04:09] <hungry> english...
[04:09] <podge> hungry: Sorry.. I am Australian..
[04:09] <hungry> my english is very cheap..-_-;;
[04:09] <NoSoundProblem> sly: have any idea on how to get it working?
[04:10] <zyth> jean-jacques, for your current kernel, the 2.6.10-5-i386 ones
[04:10] <Turambar> bob2: Does this pterm support transparency? I'm not keen on reading man pages.
[04:10] <NoSoundProblem> sly: how do u do it?
[04:10] <hungry> key .. exchange.. eng - to kor
[04:10] <jean-jacques> zyth:thank you very much !
[04:10] <zyth> jean-jacques, np.
[04:10] <bob2> Turambar: nope, and you're going to have to get keen on it if you want to learn
[04:10] <NoSoundProblem> sly: how do you install a C-media to linux?
[04:11] <zyth> hungry, system -> preferences -> keyboard, select Layout, pick the one you want
[04:11] <bob2> (not to put too fine a point on it)
[04:11] <Turambar> bob2: I known, they are sometimes just so damn long and cryptic.
[04:11] <hungry> this is linux.. 0_0
[04:11] <zyth> hungry, yes, it is.
[04:11] <hungry> more.
[04:11] <CarlFK> I have a pci modem, agere chip - what are my chances of it working?
[04:11] <hungry> system?
[04:11] <zyth> and that's how you do it in Gnome Ubuntu :P
[04:11] <bob2> Turambar: so, in this case, yo ucould have run "man pterm", and hit /transp, and found all mentions of "transparency"
[04:11] <zyth> system menu, at top of screen
[04:11] <hungry> yes yes
[04:11] <bob2> Turambar: which would be none, afaik
[04:11] <sly> i was just saying the card was a c-media 8xxxx and it worked out the box on ubuntu
[04:11] <NoSoundProblem> sly: sly plz help
[04:12] <hungry> Ubuntu have system?
[04:12] <sly> but if i remember right the disk did have *nix drivers on it aswell
[04:12] <NoSoundProblem> sly: how did you install c-media?
[04:12] <zyth> hungry, top of the screen.
[04:12] <hungry> ok
[04:12] <hungry> try
[04:12] <hungry> it
[04:12] <Turambar> bob2: I didn't know that trick, thanks!
[04:12] <zyth> it says 'Applications    Places    System'
[04:12] <zyth> see it?
[04:12] <podge> NoSoundProblem: Open a terminal window.. then type "sudo alsaconf"
[04:12] <NoSoundProblem> ok
[04:13] <bob2> alsaconf is unlikely to help
[04:13] <bob2> and alsao doesn't exist on a default ubuntu installation, afaict
[04:13] <NoSoundProblem> command not found
[04:14] <hungry> error ..-_-;;
[04:14] <NoSoundProblem> podge: command not found
[04:14] <podge> bob2, NoSoundProblem: This post mentions something.. http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-4253.html
[04:14] <hungry> font ..
[04:14] <Turambar> Still searching for a good terminal with transparencies. I wasn't satisfied with aterm and eterm. Something towards Gnome Terminal.
[04:14] <bob2> the forums say lots of things
[04:14] <podge> bob2: Yeah.. at least it is a place to start..
[04:15] <NoSoundProblem> wtf
[04:15] <NoSoundProblem> alsaconf doesnt work on my terminal
[04:15] <podge> bob2: I see your point re: alsa.. I wasn't aware that it isn't default Ubuntu..
[04:15] <jean-jacques> excuse me guys but i would need some help about adding a module to the kernel :-[
[04:15] <podge> NoSoundProblem: bob2 said that it isn't standard with Ubuntu.. sorry.. :(
[04:16] <hungry> hey .. podge..
[04:16] <hungry> font korea is .. not operation.
[04:16] <NoSoundProblem> podge: what does that mean?
[04:16] <NoSoundProblem> bob2: cant u just create the command?
[04:16] <OverDriv3> i need some newbie help here - for something called gnome vfs. can anyone help? I have no idea on how to set it up
[04:17] <podge> podge: It means that I can't help.. :(
[04:17] <NigelS> alsaconf isn't in the ubuntu alsa-utils package
[04:17] <podge> hungry: Yes?
[04:17] <bob2> NoSoundProblem: yes, you can just rewrite programs from scratch in seconds
[04:17] <NoSoundProblem> bob2: so how do i create this command to fix up my sound card?
[04:17] <hungry> and .. not use .. korea.. key
[04:17] <hungry> hangul
[04:17] <honor> hello I am a newbie with linux and want to mount another ext3 partition in my fstab what todo?
[04:18] <tritium> NoSoundProblem, that was sarcasm ;)
[04:18] <podge> hungry : Sorry.. I cannot help..
[04:18] <hungry> ok
[04:18] <NoSoundProblem> :( wish it wasnt
[04:18] <OverDriv3> i need some newbie help here - for something called gnome vfs. can anyone help? I have no idea on how to set it up
[04:18] <bob2> honor: open the file in nano, and copy one of the existing lines, just cahnging the device and mountpoint lines
[04:18] <hungry> anyway... your help.. very .. useful..^^
[04:18] <bob2> OverDriv3: you don't need to do anything
[04:19] <OverDriv3> oh, how do i mount a ftp folder then?
[04:19] <hungry> and thanks
[04:19] <bob2> OverDriv3: gnome-vfs doesn't mount anything
[04:19] <OverDriv3> oh..
[04:19] <bob2> OverDriv3: alt-f2, type ftp://user@blah.com/, hit enter
[04:20] <podge> sly: So did you do anything special to get your CM sound card working on Ubuntu?
[04:20] <sly> nothing at all
[04:20] <OverDriv3> bob2: ok, the thing is that i need to save directly to a ftp folder, and i understood that I could do this with gnome-vfs - is this correct?
[04:20] <fr500> hello
[04:20] <bob2> OverDriv3: define "save directly"
[04:21] <bob2> OverDriv3: do you mean "Save an edited file to a ftp server using a gnome application"? if so, yes.
[04:21] <fr500> how can i get the old wallpapers from ubuntu-calendar, i formated so i can't find it
[04:21] <bob2> things like openoffice and nano won't work like that, obviously
[04:21] <OverDriv3> bob2: yes, exactly
[04:22] <jean-jacques> i want to buy a pcmcia modem how do i know if it will be compatible with ubuntu ?
[04:22] <OverDriv3> i use dreamweaver on windows, there an ftp client is in the program itself. Have not seen this for any linux app, so this folder solution should work
[04:22] <OverDriv3> where is that "save directly" option?
[04:23] <bob2> OverDriv3: linux programmers tend not to do silly hacks like that
[04:23] <MorphDK> Hey.. Do any of You know a tool like "Red Hat Network Monitor" for Ubuntu?
[04:24] <bob2> OverDriv3: gnome-vfs is a general library to do it, that any application could use
[04:24] <CarlFK> MorphDK - there is an icon that pulses when there are updates - is that what you want?
[04:24] <OverDriv3> bob2: ok, but where do i choose that sace directly option?
[04:24] <OverDriv3> and where in the filesystem should i look for the ftp folder?
[04:25] <bob2> there is no "ftp folder"
[04:25] <MorphDK> CarlFK, nope
[04:25] <OverDriv3> ok, how does it work then?
[04:25] <OverDriv3> how can i get e.g. bluefish to save directly to FTP?
[04:25] <bob2> it doesn't get mounted anywhere
[04:25] <OverDriv3> i see..
[04:25] <MorphDK> CarlFK, maybe it's the wrong name i got from red hat ;)
[04:25] <bob2> it's a figment of the apps imagination
[04:25] <justin> OverDriv3: why would you want to do that?
[04:25] <NoSoundProblem> guess i have to buy a new sound card
[04:25] <CarlFK> MorphDK - what do you need it to do?
[04:25] <MorphDK> CarlFK, it's the little tool that connects you to any network, no matter how your settings are
[04:25] <OverDriv3> justin: so i don't have to upload manually after editing the file, as in dreamweaver that saves directly to the server
[04:26] <justin> NoSoundProblem: you haven't even mentioned what sound card you actually have, and what your real problem is
[04:26] <MorphDK> CarlFK, it looks if there is a dhcp server, and otherwise, it looks at the other network nodes to find an IP that wirks..
[04:26] <bob2> afaict, you just open it as "gedit ftp://user@host/blah.txt"
[04:26] <MorphDK> works*
[04:26] <bob2> but editing web pages live almost always means your process is broken
[04:26] <OverDriv3> bob2 - what do i need to do to make bluefish save directly to remote ftp location?
[04:26] <mjr> OverDriv3, just try to use the files directly like ftp://foo@bar/baz
[04:26] <justin> bob2: well yeah, that is what I was getting at
[04:26] <NoSoundProblem> justin: I have a C-Media CM8738 and theres absolutely no sound coming out
[04:27] <NoSoundProblem> justin: linux has detected it
[04:27] <justin> NoSoundProblem: so increase the volume
[04:27] <NoSoundProblem> justin: but no sound
[04:27] <NoSoundProblem> justin: i did
[04:27] <MorphDK> CarlFK, i think it's like a topology scan, and it finds out what IP addresses the DNS and DHCP servers have, if any..
[04:27] <CarlFK> MorphDK - neat. pretty sure there isn't anyting like that.  I have been doing a fair bit with wireless stuff - but I could have missed it
[04:27] <tritium> NoSoundProblem, you ran alsamixer, and made sure volumes were not muted?
[04:28] <MorphDK> CarlFK, it's with Fedora Core 3 and 4
[04:28] <NoSoundProblem> how do u use alsamicer
[04:28] <MorphDK> CarlFK, it automatically configures your computer for any network you connect it to..
[04:28] <NoSoundProblem> it shows 00
[04:28] <justin> NoSoundProblem: you don't
[04:28] <justin> NoSoundProblem: you run the nice easy to use one that is included with gnome
[04:28] <fr500> is there a way to get early ubuntu-calendar wallpapers? i lost them
[04:28] <MorphDK> CarlFK, too bad I can't find an alternative.. I don't want to use FC4 :D
[04:28] <NoSoundProblem> yes i ran it on terminal
[04:29] <NoSoundProblem> it shows all these volume bars
[04:29] <tritium> NoSoundProblem, yes, it can be a useful tool.  You can use it.
[04:29] <NoSoundProblem> :(
[04:29] <CarlFK> MorphDK - soulds cool.  find the source and authors on FC4 an port it - probably isn't that hard ;)
[04:29] <MorphDK> CarlFK, I'll give it a try ;)
[04:30] <NoSoundProblem> tritium: its on full blast
[04:30] <tritium> NoSoundProblem, okay.
[04:30] <CarlFK> MorphDK - ever made a .deb package?  (I havn't but I started reading about it)
[04:30] <jo> apt-get install libpt-pluins-v4l
[04:30] <jo> Reading package lists... Done
[04:30] <jo> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:30] <jo> E: Couldn't find package libpt-pluins-v4l
[04:30] <jo> ?
[04:30] <OverDriv3> as soon as i connected to a ftp location, an ftp folder appeared in the places-list. I opened the ftp folder in bluefish, and opened a file. When i try to save, bluefish stops to respond
[04:30] <NoSoundProblem> tritium: it has fully detected and whos know why it doesnt work
[04:31] <jo> apt-get install libpt-pluins-v4l were to go ?
[04:31] <CarlFK> jo http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[04:32] <bob2> justin: that looks very much like you made a typo
[04:32] <CarlFK> bob2 wins a prize!
[04:32] <bob2> bah
[04:32] <CarlFK> plu ins
[04:32] <OverDriv3> anyone?
[04:33] <NoSoundProblem> im going to bed
[04:33] <NoSoundProblem> why do people leave there computers on over night for?
[04:33] <NoSoundProblem> some people just leave it on with IRC
[04:34] <OverDriv3> can someone please help?
[04:34] <CarlFK> NoSoundProblem - cuz turning on/off a computer puts more wear on it than letting it run for 12 hours (maybe)
[04:34] <CarlFK> kinda like city vs highway driving ;)
[04:35] <MorphDK> CarlFK, I found it.. NetworkManager :D
[04:35] <MorphDK> CarlFK, http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager/
[04:35] <CarlFK> it wears out the breaks on the drive (do drives have breaks?)
[04:35] <NoSoundProblem> CarlFK: more wear?
[04:35] <bob2> don't think so
[04:35] <dalbirdy> what command do you use to find all the channels ?
[04:35] <NoSoundProblem> CarlFK: waste of electricity
[04:35] <queuetue> Does a dual-core processor produce twice as much heat?
[04:35] <bob2> queuetue: no
[04:35] <bob2> dalbirdy: /list, but it's not useful
[04:35] <dalbirdy> thanks
[04:36] <CarlFK> NoSoundProblem - mainly being turned on.  the power is very dirty at first, it puts extra "stress" on the parts
[04:36] <NoSoundProblem> CarlFK: lol
[04:36] <OverDriv3> i just noticed another wierd problem: some input fields have no text! The editor window in bluefish has no text, and some forms on websites. Most sites and inputs work, text editor works fine, but some fields are simply blank. If i write "text" into it and selects it, i can see that it is there, but that it doesn't show
[04:37] <NoSoundProblem> CarlFK: is there any way to turn it down so much so it uses the leasest amount of electricity?
[04:38] <WildMagic> bah! i tried the esd plugin, the OSS plugin, the ALSA plugin...esd plain does not work, OSS and alsa give no sound although the mixer is turned all th eway up...gnome makes funny noises when maximising/minimising windows...so I know that sound is there
[04:38] <NoSoundProblem> CarlFK: hibernation mode?
[04:38] <CarlFK> NoSoundProblem - yes- there are a bunch of places: vga gets a suspend command, the drive moter can be turned off, a P4 cpu can be slowed down, some powersupplies can even slow down the fan
[04:39] <CarlFK> hibernation ends up turning off the box, so that doesn't solve the "on" problem
[04:39] <OverDriv3> anyone? please?
[04:39] <NoSoundProblem> CarlFK: cool but its getting too late to figgure how to do that
[04:39] <maztermin> sitting here with a fs amilo A that has a very anoying touchpad.. anyone here know how I can make that work?
[04:39] <nalioth_wrkn> queuetue: the new amd dualcores produce LESS heat per performance level
[04:39] <CarlFK> NoSoundProblem - here is my take:...
[04:39] <bob2> OverDriv3: perhaps try asking on the mailing list
[04:39] <NoSoundProblem> CarlFK: what do you mean bunch of places?
[04:39] <OverDriv3> bob2 i am not familiar with the community: where can i find it?
[04:40] <bob2> OverDriv3: http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[04:40] <CarlFK> there isn't enough data to really support either side (leave on, turn off, how long...)  but waiting for the box to boot up bothers me, so I leave it on.
[04:40] <jo> how to update my datbase?
[04:40] <CarlFK> NoSoundProblem - many: drive, monitor, fan, disk, cpu
[04:41] <NoSoundProblem> CArlFK: any site on how to do it?
[04:41] <CarlFK> NoSoundProblem - probably, but I don't know of one
[04:41] <NoSoundProblem> im installing getright
[04:42] <NoSoundProblem> where do programs go like that?
[04:42] <NoSoundProblem> which folder?
[04:42] <NoSoundProblem> downloading programs?
[04:43] <NoSoundProblem> CarlFK: where do programs get installed?
[04:43] <NoSoundProblem> into?
[04:43] <NoSoundProblem> cmon plz
[04:43] <bob2> er
[04:43] <CarlFK> um... there is a deb command that will tell you...
[04:43] <bob2> dpkg -L packagename
[04:44] <bob2> installing alsaconf is not going to help, tho
[04:44] <CarlFK> thanks bob2
[04:44] <NoSoundProblem> what does that command do?
[04:45] <NoSoundProblem> bob2: plz help im half dead
[04:45] <NoSoundProblem> just tell me where a windows program gets installed to?
[04:45] <bob2> dude
[04:45] <bob2> you're chasing down blind alleys here
[04:45] <NoSoundProblem> bob2: sigh what do u mean?
[04:46] <Stuttergart> I have a bacula user that is in the groups 'disk' and 'tape'
[04:46] <CarlFK> NoSoundProblem - if you are half dead, get some sleep
[04:46] <gexplorer> wenas
[04:46] <Stuttergart> but when I login as bacula and do a "groups" it only show the bacula user as a member of the bacula group.
[04:46] <Stuttergart> The system is not honoring the additional groups.
[04:46] <NoSoundProblem> just tell me where does windows programs get installed to in linux?
[04:46] <zyth> whaa?
[04:47] <cmatheson> NoSoundProblem, if you're using wine they go in ~/.wine/fake_windows
[04:47] <NoSoundProblem> thank you!
[04:47] <CarlFK> Stuttergart - did you close/open your shell? (I 'think' that is needed, but I don't know why)
[04:47] <zyth> that's probably not gonna help anything, of course...
[04:48] <NoSoundProblem> cmatheson: which folder is ~/.wine in?
[04:48] <Stuttergart> CarlFK: I've tried su and 'ssh bacula@localhost'
[04:48] <Stuttergart> I don't have a console since I'm remote.
[04:48] <cmatheson> NoSoundProblem, ~ means your home directory
[04:49] <tritium> NoSoundProblem, ~/ is your user's home directory.
[04:49] <NoSoundProblem> u cant put a . into a directory
[04:49] <NoSoundProblem> i think
[04:50] <bob2> you can certainly start directory names with .
[04:50] <NoSoundProblem> then why is it saying invalid
[04:50] <truz24> When a nic or soundcard is on the motherboard, what kind of BUS is it using ( instead of the PCI bus it would use if it were a PCI Card )
[04:50] <jino> hi all
[04:50] <NoSoundProblem> Z:\home\wine\fakewindows\GetRight
[04:50] <jino> plz help me..
[04:50] <bob2> NoSoundProblem: I'm pretty sure it said something other than "invalid"
[04:50] <zyth> um
[04:50] <NoSoundProblem> Z:\home\.wine\fakewindows\GetRight
[04:50] <zyth> yeah, that's the issue.
[04:50] <bob2> NoSoundProblem: tell us the whole error
[04:50] <bob2> jino: you'd need to ask a question first...
[04:50] <jino> when i try to save a file to www folder in var , it says i cant save..
[04:51] <jino> bob2, rt
[04:51] <bob2> jino: so, chown the directory to be owned by you
[04:51] <bob2> or use sudo to copy the file later
[04:51] <NoSoundProblem> invalid directory name specified or the removable media specified is not properly inserted
[04:51] <jino> i din get u
[04:51] <jino> wat is chown?
[04:51] <bob2> jino: what's your native language?
[04:51] <bob2> NoSoundProblem: are you suere you have Z: drive?
[04:51] <jino> english
[04:52] <NoSoundProblem> well it shows z: and a c:
[04:52] <nalioth> zyth: pick a soft wall
[04:52] <NoSoundProblem> c: shows windows
[04:52] <jino> bob2, am from india
[04:52] <NoSoundProblem> thats wierd
[04:52] <jino> bob2, but i can speak english tats all..
[04:52] <bob2> 'thats'
[04:52] <NoSoundProblem> why is there c: and z:
[04:53] <NoSoundProblem> z: is linux
[04:53] <NoSoundProblem> c: is windows
[04:53] <jino> bob2, plz help me..
[04:53] <bob2> jino: nevermind
[04:54] <jino> bob2, okie
[04:54] <queuetue> nalioth, How do they produce less heat per perf level?  (sorry about delay :) )
[04:54] <NoSoundProblem> OMG HEADAChe
[04:55] <NoSoundProblem> im jsut installing it anywhere i dont care
[04:55] <nalioth> queuetue: better design, i imagine
[04:55] <jino> bob2, okie
[04:55] <flithm> hey everyone, does ubuntu have a graphical boot loader
[04:55] <bob2> no
[04:55] <queuetue> nalioth, Ok, then does a dual-core chip produce twice as much heat as a similar-class single core chip? :)
[04:55] <nalioth> queuetue: you can go to www.tomshardware.com and read some comparisons tween amd64 and intel(64) and articles on each processor family
[04:56] <zyth> flithm, it *can*, it does not by default
[04:56] <jino> bob2, how can i do it?
[04:56] <NoSoundProblem> for some reason i can only install into C:
[04:56] <nalioth> queuetue: the amd dual cores (new issue) produce the same amount of heat as their single core brethren (new issue)
[04:56] <flithm> zyth, is there a page that tells how I can get one?
[04:56] <ineedtoshave> is there a method how to replace text boot loader in ubuntu with a home made graphical one?
[04:56] <nalioth> queuetue: adn LESS heat than their (older) single core brethren
[04:56] <zyth> flithm, yeah one sec
[04:57] <flithm> ineedtoshave, heh I'm just asking that now as well :)
[04:57] <cmatheson> ineedtoshave, if you want to use a home-made graphical one, that's pretty much up to you
[04:57] <nalioth> queuetue: intel chips will toast your buns (almost any of them)
[04:57] <cmatheson> just read the docs for whatever you want to use
[04:57] <zyth> flithm, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41709&highlight=splashy
[04:57] <ineedtoshave> flithm, hahahaahah ;) I saw that I spoke too soon ^_^
[04:57] <NoSoundProblem> cya im going
[04:57] <shawnh> where
[04:57] <nalioth> zyth: the man on top of things
[04:57] <ineedtoshave> zyth, thank you
[04:58] <zyth> nalioth, I just installed it like an hour ago ;)
[04:58] <zyth> lol
[04:58] <flithm> zyth, thanks!
[04:58] <shawnh> alexis
[04:58] <nalioth> zyth: installed what?
[04:58] <ineedtoshave> cmatheson, ^_^
[04:58] <zyth> splashy
[04:58] <shawnh> hehhe
[04:58] <shawnh>  trasssy
[04:58] <nalioth> zyth: does it work with yaboot?
[04:58] <zyth> nalioth, no, uses grub
[04:58] <zyth> er/.. at least
[04:58] <nalioth> zyth: ratz
[04:58] <zyth> I *think* it does
[04:59] <zyth> I saw no mention of yabooties.
[04:59] <zyth> ineedtoshave, I'd kill my computer within a day.
[04:59] <wijnand> will adobe reader 7 be in one of the repositories soon?
[04:59] <queuetue> ineedtoshave, I sure don't.
[04:59] <ineedtoshave> zyth, why?
[04:59] <zyth> do you realise how slow that'd be?
[04:59] <tritium> wijnand, it is
[04:59] <nalioth> zyth: but better on linux than windoze (it'd never shut up and have schitzophrenia)
[04:59] <queuetue> No way talking to the computer si as efficient as typing - see data in action some time...
[04:59] <zyth> you'd have to wait for it to talk!
[04:59] <wijnand> tritium: which repository is that?
[04:59] <ineedtoshave> zyth, we would adjust
[05:00] <zyth> ineedtoshave, pfft.
[05:00] <tritium> wijnand, Marillat's repo
[05:00] <flithm> queuetue, I'm the other way around... I'd hate to have to cd "Maxtor SuperMax 80 GB r2985x-423 Spin Plus SMART Enabled"
[05:00] <ineedtoshave> zyth, eventually we'd have microchip implants to increase the speed of our voice
[05:00] <wijnand> tritium: isn't that one telling me it wants diferent versions of libc?
[05:00] <nalioth> wijnand: recommended to enable non official repos, only to get the program you are after, then disabling the repos
[05:00] <zyth> ineedtoshave, uhm. yes.  sure.
[05:00] <nikkia> ineedtoshave: why bother with voice if you're going to go that far, just have a direct neural connection
[05:00] <queuetue> flithm, hda1 was what I was referring to - the "first pertition on the first disk on the first ide controller"
[05:00] <wijnand> nalioth: yeah i understand that.. could get nasty otherwise :)
[05:01] <zyth> Marillat is out of sync with Hoary, Don't use it.
[05:01] <ineedtoshave> nikkia, good idea, let's have it
[05:01] <nikkia> not that i'll be waiting in line for any electronic implant in my head, thanks
[05:01] <queuetue> flithm, As opposed to c: and z: which are arbnitrary and easy t move.
[05:01] <nalioth> wijnand: just a standard observation i make to all folks (i don't know)
[05:01] <ineedtoshave> nikkia, of course you realise that once computers all have neural connections we'll all have the social mannerisms of stephen hawking right?
[05:01] <nikkia> ineedtoshave: why would that be?
[05:01] <wijnand> nalioth: wise -- probably saves having to deal with a lot of distressed people in here
[05:01] <flithm> queuetue, heh gotcha, I was just being a dumbass
[05:01] <queuetue> ineedtoshave, Possibly, if we ever chose to talk to humans...
[05:02] <tritium> wijnand, if you use marillat, mind zyth's comment
[05:02] <nalioth> whats to say when the neural connections come along, they don't tap into the 90% of unused wetware each of us has?
[05:02] <ineedtoshave> nikkia, because we'll all be thinking to our computers and then to each other, speech will become a useless art
[05:02] <nikkia> of course, given that stephen hawking seems to have a decent social life...
[05:02] <nalioth> wijnand: ya aint nevva lied
[05:02] <bob2> that "90%" figure is crap
[05:02] <wijnand> tritium: i tried marillat, and ran into aforementioned problem, which is why i was wondering when it would end up in a more official repository
[05:02] <bob2> also, #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:02] <queuetue> nalioth, That's a wive's tale - you use all of your brain.
[05:03] <nalioth> queuetue: then with a neural implant, i'd be more than happy to overclock
[05:03] <jino> how to own a directory
[05:03] <zyth> jino, man chown
[05:03] <queuetue> nalioth, At the time, we only understood what 10% of it did...  Now, it's more like 40%.
[05:03] <zyth> wijnand, allow me to recommend xpdf
[05:04] <nalioth> ok alright i dont use enough of my brain, (thats why i'm in this channel)
[05:04] <jono> anyone know of a piece of softwre that can take a directory full of MP3s and then read in the album that each file is from, create a new directory and move the file to it?
[05:04] <NeodiuM> hey, im looking to set up a simple old pc as a web router. would ubuntu be suitable to run on something as old as a p2 and do this effectively
[05:05] <wijnand> zyth: recommendation noted
[05:05] <nalioth> NeodiuM: if you dont need an xserver, certainly
[05:05] <zyth> jono, Windows Media Player 10?
[05:05] <zyth> ;)
[05:05] <flithm> jono, krename does that
[05:05] <wijnand> jono: iTunes
[05:06] <wijnand> ;)
[05:06] <NeodiuM> xserver? soz i am new to big words ? does xserver refer to graphical interface
[05:06] <hungry> console
[05:06] <flithm> jono, krename is pretty sweet actually, check it out.  it's got tons of plugins for stuff (including id3 tags)
[05:06] <nalioth> NeodiuM: yes
[05:07] <hungry> hi
[05:07] <nalioth> NeodiuM: if you are only running a router/server, the graphical interface is not really required
[05:07] <hungry> here in korea seoul
[05:07] <NeodiuM> well i would like to use a gui with this server i intend to set up as up untill now all i have used is redhat 9 and fedora core 3
[05:07] <NeodiuM> both with GUI's
[05:07] <wijnand> NeodiuM: just don't keep X running all the time
[05:08] <nalioth> NeodiuM: well, if those worked on it wtih a gui, then it will work with ubuntu
[05:08] <mcrawfor> .
[05:08] <wijnand> NeodiuM: how much ram?
[05:08] <jono> flithm, cool
[05:08] <jono> is it in ubuntu?
[05:08] <NeodiuM> i probably have a spare 256mb stick i can chuck in
[05:09] <wijnand> 256 would be fine if you want to run X and don't mind it being a little slow (due to it being a P2)
[05:09] <nalioth> NeodiuM: which would bring it's total to what?
[05:09] <NeodiuM> 256 :P
[05:10] <nalioth> NeodiuM: yes, you'll be fine
[05:10] <NeodiuM> will build that server tomorro from parts so no specs atm, but may test ubuntu on a partition tonight
[05:10] <wijnand> ubuntu is great -- it mostly configures everything without you having to interfere
[05:11] <hungry> help Me
[05:11] <flithm> jono, I think it's in: kdeaddons-kfile-plugins
[05:11] <nalioth> hungry: please ask a question
[05:11] <hungry> directory.. (ls)
[05:11] <nalioth> flithm: jono http://freshmeat.net/projects/krename/
[05:12] <hungry> search . telnet-server..
[05:12] <hungry> where .. it is
[05:12] <hungry> ?
[05:12] <wijnand> hungry: i would urge you to use an ssh server instead
[05:12] <hungry> ssh?
[05:12] <wijnand> secure shell
[05:12] <hungry> server ?
[05:12] <wijnand> it's the same thing, but secure
[05:13] <hungry> remote access .. and .. ssh use?
[05:13] <wijnand> be more coherent alreadty
[05:13] <flithm> hungry, plus you can run X apps when you use SSH, not just command line stuff
[05:13] <wijnand> ssh is a secure replacement for telnet
[05:13] <bob2> hungry: you'd be better off finding a korean place to talk about ubuntu
[05:13] <bob2> hungry: perhaps #ubuntu-kr
[05:13] <hungry> ok
[05:13] <hungry> thanks
[05:13] <hungry> ^^
[05:13] <hungry> bob
[05:14] <zyth> bob2, there is no one there
[05:14] <zyth> I checked for him
[05:14] <bob2> oh well
[05:14] <yahalom>  anyone here use epiphany instead of firefox?
[05:14] <hungry> korean .. is no one here
[05:14] <hungry> -_-;;
[05:15] <hungry> #ubuntu-k is not ex..
[05:15] <jeanre> my firefox does not want to open eish
[05:15] <redtech> yahalom: nope, but ill try it out now that I heard about it
[05:15] <ep> Hi again, I just installed the NVIDIA propriortary drivers.  Whats the procedure for restarting X without rebooting?
[05:16] <nalioth> yahalom: i prefer galeon over epiphany
[05:16] <nalioth> ep: ctrl alt backspace
[05:16] <jeanre> nalioth: where is the lock file for firefox
[05:16] <redtech> nalioth: is galeon quick?
[05:16] <ep> brb
[05:16] <cmatheson> is galeon still being developed?
[05:16] <wijnand> nalioth: or just logout and back in really :P
[05:16] <nalioth> wow and i went and got a korean url for hungry, and he left
[05:16] <jean-jacques> hello
[05:16] <nalioth> jeanre: i don't use FF
[05:16] <redtech> firefox isnt so speedy on my lapper.  I need a replacement
[05:17] <nalioth> redtech: define 'quick'
[05:17] <SleepyEye> Hi all.  Are there any preseed install experts around?
[05:17] <jean-jacques> i would like to buy a pcmcia modem sompatible with ubuntu, any help ?
[05:17] <redtech> not taking a minute or 2 to load
[05:17] <zyth> redtech, dilo? links?
[05:17] <nalioth> wijnand: but does loggin out restart x?
[05:17] <gm78> redtech, Opera is pretty speedy, but non-free (small ads at top or costs money)
[05:17] <nalioth> redtech: if you want quick, zyth has good suggestions dillo or links2
[05:18] <yahalom> nalioth, galeon?
[05:18] <redtech> thx.  I will check them out
[05:18] <gm78> redtech, the ads arent that intrusive though....just google text ads....and the speed makes up for it
[05:18] <nalioth> yahalom: galeon is a gtk gecko wrapper
[05:18] <ogge> How do I know my ubuntu hoary with xorg and xfce4 uses all of my video memory. And that it is optimized.
[05:18] <yahalom> nalioth, what are the pros?
[05:18] <nalioth> yahalom: native gui is faster and less bloated
[05:18] <gm78> ogge, what kind of video card do u have?
[05:18] <yahalom> nalioth, based on mozilla?
[05:19] <ep> That was easy enough, is ctrl-alt-bkspc the same as ending the session?  Is X stopped and restarted when I logout&end session?
[05:19] <yahalom> nalioth, well so is epiphany i guess. apt-get install galeon?
[05:19] <ogge> gm78, some kind of ATI card. Only 4Mbyte.
[05:19] <ogge> Can I found it out?
[05:19] <nalioth> yahalom: yes
[05:19] <ogge> cus sometimes the windows are a bit sluggish
[05:20] <nalioth> yahalom: you might also give kazehakaze a try
[05:20] <ogge> very sluggish, when resizeing, and moving.
[05:20] <maher> what are the key bindings for the main application menu?
[05:20] <gm78> ogge, 4 MB card....I wouldn't worry about it being optimized.....won't do much good, I still get sluggish Windows sometimes on my 128 MB Nvidia card
[05:20] <ogge> oh. ok. what system you run?
[05:20] <ogge> software..
[05:21] <gm78> ogge, Ubuntu....or do u mean 3D software?
[05:21] <ogge> I mean window manager, what linux distro etc.
[05:21] <ogge> Ok!
[05:22] <maher> if i boot to the ubuntu live cd and don't have a mouse are there some keys i can press so that the application menu appears?
[05:22] <nalioth> ogge: i would imagine that most of us run ubuntu
[05:22] <gm78> Ubuntu 5.04 x86 (Athlon XP 2200+ 1.8 GHz) with Gnome
[05:22] <yahalom> nalioth, thanx :)
[05:22] <ogge> Okay!
[05:22] <gm78> nalioth, lol
[05:22] <nalioth> maher: if you run the kubuntu livecd, the windows-key makes the k-menu pop up (not sure in gnome)
[05:22] <jeanre> hmmm
[05:22] <jeanre> my firefox profile is locked
[05:23] <yahalom> nalioth, E: Couldn't find package kazehakaze
[05:23] <nalioth> jeanre: close all instances of firefox
[05:23] <ogge> Sometimes my usb optical (wired) mouse is very sluggish. Freezes sometimes.
[05:23] <rg58sma> hii
[05:23] <ogge> Anyone experiences the same?
[05:23] <nalioth> yahalom: my spelling suX0rs
[05:23] <rg58sma> someone have a good sources.list
[05:23] <jeanre> nalioth: there is non
[05:23] <airco> quick completely off-topic quesiton: i've got a user in my chan with an mIRC worm, where do i point him to for disenfection
[05:23] <gm78> jeanre, open gnome-system-monitor and make sure all firefox processes are killed
[05:23] <rg58sma> please
[05:24] <ep> I'm looking to add some packages, for instance "bzflag" but I many not know the exact name.  How can I search for it and get detailed version info before I actually install it?  So far I've been using apt-get to install stuff.
[05:24] <bob2> ep: apt-cache search bzfl
[05:24] <gm78> ogge, never experienced that. it may be your graphics card though. My brother has a 4 MB Graphics card on Win2000 and its sluggish like that
[05:24] <redtech> airco: antivirus dot com
[05:24] <flithm> ls
[05:24] <yahalom> nalioth, so what is it? galeon looks very simialr to epiphany
[05:24] <flithm> doh
[05:24] <ogge> gm78, Ok.
[05:25] <nalioth> yahalom: sorry my spelling sux. its in the repos or here http://kazehakase.sourceforge.jp/
[05:25] <rg58sma> please I need a good sources.list
[05:25] <gm78> ep, you can also use synaptic, much easier on the eyes than apt-cache search :P
[05:25] <nalioth> yahalom: i prefer galeon over epiphany
[05:25] <ogge> Ive never really understand what sources.list is. How can you define it? And what is synaptic?
[05:25] <nalioth> !source
[05:25] <ubotu> Wish i knew, nalioth
[05:26] <bob2> rg58sma: the default one is a good one, just use that.
[05:26] <jeanre> nalioth: there is non
[05:26] <rg58sma> no
[05:27] <nalioth> jeanre: you checked all your running processes? sometimes FF goes headless
[05:27] <bob2> right, you don't know how to configure it, but you think that adding random other repositories is a good idea
[05:27] <jeanre> yes I have
[05:27] <bob2> you're just going to break apt, you're way better off just using ubuntu packages
[05:27] <rg58sma> please I need a good sources.list
[05:27] <s_ander> /etc/sources.list is a file with URLs to Ubuntu's package repositories. These repositories containts all software distributed by Ubuntu. Synaptic is a tool to make package management more user friendly
[05:27] <DooMRunneR> hi
[05:27] <bob2> rg58sma: explain what you mean by "good" then.
[05:27] <ogge> thanx s_ander
[05:27] <gm78> ogge, apt is a command line tool to install software. for instance, to install amsn, you would type in apt-get install amsn. Synaptic is just a gui for apt. sources.list lists the places where apt will search for packages
[05:27] <jeanre> nalioth: fixed
[05:28] <ep> apt-cache search package-name did not give me version info, how do i get that?
[05:28] <rg58sma> good i havent one what giveme errors
[05:28] <nalioth> jeanre: great!
[05:28] <rg58sma> or timeout
[05:28] <nalioth> ep: apt-cache showpkg <pkgname>
[05:28] <bob2> rg58sma: so, run "sudo apt-setup" and use the default
[05:28] <ep> thanks
[05:28] <gm78> ogge, apt/synaptic will download and install the packages for you
[05:28] <nalioth> or is it apt-cache showinfo <pkgname>
[05:28] <rg58sma> ok thanks
[05:29] <torz> hi I've got a question about kppp.
[05:29] <ogge> Is there any chance the repositories sometimes contain viruses etc? How can I be sure that these repositories not containt hoax material.
[05:30] <nalioth> ogge: stick with official repos (and virii and linux don't go together)
[05:30] <torz> Its pretty random. I managed get kppp to connect to my isp but as soon as I click "continue" i get an error: Exit Status: 1
[05:30] <ep> i'll try both
[05:31] <gm78> ogge, well if they did ubuntu itself would most likely contain viruses, since they are run by the same people and contained on ubuntu's servers....i wouldnt worry too much about it
[05:31] <torz> The remote system is required to authenticate itself.
[05:31] <nalioth> ep the easy way is "apt-cache --help"
[05:31] <torz> but I couldnt find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so.
[05:31] <ep> done!
[05:31] <bob2> ogge: it's certainly possible untrusted apt repositories can do trojaned
[05:31] <ogge> Ok!
[05:31] <bob2> ogge: note that any package you install has root priveleges to do whatever it wants
[05:31] <ogge> yes..
[05:31] <ogge> What is a backport?
[05:32] <bob2> a development version of a package compiled for a stable version of ubuntu
[05:32] <bob2> ie asking for trouble
[05:32] <gm78> ogge, in other words, dont run and add every repository you see on the net. mainly stick with the ubuntu ones....or ones from apt-get.org if you absolutely have to
[05:32] <ogge> Thanx alot for the answers guys!
[05:32] <nalioth> gm78: better just to advise official repos (cuz from there everyone has a differing opinion)
[05:32] <ogge> Gotta check out the sources.list to see what ive really got there :o
[05:33] <on> i just switched back to windows because i couldn't set up internet connection in ubuntu :( without internet it's really painful to find howtos :( i'm totally clueless. please somebody could you give me one word? where to start searching?
[05:33] <aleksander> Hi, how do i start the apache2 server?
[05:34] <ogge> on, thats really strange. Did work directly for me.
[05:34] <gm78> nalioth : i do for the most part. sometimes u have no choice though, like for packages like transcode. (ever tried compiling that thing, id rather die than try that again. the stupid configure script only checks for half of the dependancies actually needed so compiling it always breaks)
[05:34] <Choubaka> on: rwhat kind of an internet connection do you have?
[05:34] <aleksander> I have installed apache2-prefork-dev
[05:34] <sanitario> aleksander, sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 start
[05:34] <bob2> aleksander: install the apache2 package
[05:34] <nalioth_wrkn> gm78: i used a source repo for my transcode
[05:34] <on> Choubaka: adsl (ethernet)
[05:34] <tritium> aleksander, "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start"
[05:34] <Choubaka> on: pppoe?
[05:34] <nalioth_wrkn> y'all be good
[05:34] <on> Choubaka: i haven't tried
[05:34] <tritium> aleksander, it should start when you install the package, though
[05:34] <gm78> nalioth_wrkn, i just added this mowgli (i think thats the name) and then apt-get install transcode and then disabled the repository, worked good for me
[05:35] <Choubaka> on: I mean, is the ADSL PPP-over-ethernet?
[05:35] <gm78> nalioth_wrkn, *mowgli repo i mean
[05:35] <on> Choubaka: yes, i think :)
[05:35] <nalioth_wrkn> gm78: enable / disable is a great strategy
[05:35] <aleksander> tritium, localhost are not work
[05:35] <gm78> on, u might have an unsupported network card
[05:35] <OverDriv3> what is the linux core version of ubuntu 5.04?
[05:35] <Choubaka> or is it just regular ADSL which works without "calling" the ISP?
[05:35] <bob2> aleksander: install the apache2 package
[05:35] <bob2> yo tritium
[05:35] <tritium> hi bob2!
[05:35] <on> Choubaka: no, i must dial-up with username/pwd
[05:35] <Choubaka> OverDriv3: 2.6.10
[05:36] <Choubaka> on: then it's pppoe :/
[05:36] <gm78> nalioth_wrkn, yep, worked for me. i rip my dvds before i lend them to my brother (whom usually recks them) and then if he does, i can use transcode to shrink it and burn them to a disc
[05:36] <Choubaka> I think
[05:36] <gm78> *wrecks
[05:36] <Choubaka> OverDriv3: with ubuntu patches of course
[05:36] <gm78> cant spell today
[05:36] <Choubaka> on: those are a bit tricky to get working.
[05:36] <OverDriv3> chou: thanks!
[05:36] <aleksander> bob2, now?
[05:36] <ep> you're lucky i can't spell every day
[05:36] <bob2> aleksander: yes
[05:36] <Choubaka> on: but there's a tool called "pppoeconf" on the ubuntu install CD
[05:36] <aleksander> bob2, there it works
[05:37] <Choubaka> on: I think you need that.
[05:37] <ogge> where is the sources.list /etc/ ?
[05:37] <tritium> /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:37] <aleksander> bob2 but have i php now?
[05:37] <ogge> thank u tri.
[05:37] <aleksander> bob2, i have installed apache2-pre,,,,-dev
[05:37] <rgamino> i'm getting an error when i try to change my resolution using /system/preferences, the error is Xserver does not support the xrandr extension
[05:37] <bob2> aleksander: presumably you want libapache2-mod-php4 then
[05:37] <rgamino> any help would be appreciated
[05:37] <OverDriv3> bob2: by the way, thanks a lot for the help earlier toay =)
[05:38] <bob2> OverDriv3: sort it out?
[05:38] <on> Choubaka: ok, i forgot about pppoe, that is the magic word, i'll find more on pppoeconf with google. thank you
[05:38] <ogge> is ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net a official repository?
[05:38] <tritium> ogge, no
[05:38] <ogge> damn. I got it in my sources.list
[05:38] <andersbr> Greetings, ubunty type persons!  I'm having trouble with cd burning.  The recommended technique is to use Nautilus,  right-click on an iso file,  and click "write to disk".  But in the dialog,  under write options,  it won't let me select any write speed but "maximum possible".  The selector is grayed out.
[05:38] <lynx> i use that with no problem
[05:39] <rgamino> i'm getting an error when i try to change my resolution using /system/preferences, the error is Xserver does not support the xrandr extension
[05:40] <Thorrn4> hello!! I was wondering, is there a way to check the CPU temperature?
[05:40] <lynx> anyone here knows where can i find quake 3?
[05:40] <CarlFK> I have a bunch of PCI modems.  any advice on how to pick the first one to try?
[05:40] <gm78> andersbr, install k3b....solves everything :P  oh, and grab cdrdao also
[05:40] <DanielHolmes> lynx: amazon.com
[05:40] <tiredbones> I tried to use "apachectl start" for my newly apache2 system. apachectl can not be found. Does apache2 use something diffrenet?
[05:40] <on> Thorrn4: there's a gnome sysmeter applet, doesn't it show the cpu temp?
[05:40] <andersbr> gm78: I'll give that a shot.
[05:40] <lynx> DanielHolmes, thanks
[05:41] <tritium> tiredbones, "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start|stop|restart"
[05:41] <DanielHolmes> lynx: works great in linux by the way.
[05:41] <steved> Thorrn4: you can try sensors on the command line
[05:41] <bob2> CarlFK: can you melt them down, extract the precious metals and buy a proper modem? ;)
[05:41] <rgamino> i'm getting an error when i try to change my resolution using /system/preferences, the error is Xserver does not support the xrandr extension..any ideas
[05:41] <tritium> tiredbones, but it should have started on install)
[05:41] <ogge> Is there anyway to show free available ram-memory?
[05:41] <gm78> andersbr, it wont go into ur main menu by default, just launch the command k3b
[05:41] <Thorrn4> steved, what do u mean?
[05:41] <gm78> ogge, open the gnome system monitor
[05:41] <aleksander> any one here who has a php msn bot?
[05:41] <tiredbones> tritium, thanks
[05:42] <bob2> rgamino: presumably you're using the vesa driver
[05:42] <ogge> gm78. wont start anyone if I type gnome-system-monitor in terminal.
[05:42] <ogge> I run xfce.
[05:42] <steved> Thorrn4: open a terminal and type in sensors
[05:42] <lynx> DanielHolmes, i have the cd, but how can i install it on linux?
[05:42] <bob2> there's no fix aside from using a proper driverm which you presumably can't do
[05:42] <DanielHolmes> lynx: oh sorry....http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom/
[05:42] <gm78> on, are you talking about gnome-system-monitor for checking cpu temp....i have it open and dont see the temp in there. is there any other way that u know of?
[05:43] <lynx> =] 
[05:43] <devios> anyone know if there's an easy way to get http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/ working with gaim in ubuntu?
[05:43] <steved> thorrn4: if your motherboard has support it should show you all the temperature details
[05:43] <xxtreme> nalioth= how good is playing FS games on a PB running ubuntu
[05:43] <DanielHolmes> lynx: forgive me.  I'm new here. ;-)
[05:43] <rgamino> bob2:  I am using the fglrx driver
[05:43] <bob2> hah
[05:43] <Swordxl> Buenas
[05:43] <bob2> ouch
[05:43] <aleksander> how to start php?
[05:43] <Thorrn4> steved, it doesnt do anything...it gives me a BASH error
[05:43] <devios> is this compatible? http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/debian-install/otr-setup.html
[05:43] <adham> hi people
[05:43] <aleksander> :d
[05:43] <steved> thorrn4: what does it say ?
[05:43] <tritium> aleksander, always check in /etc/init.d for initscripts
[05:44] <Thorrn4> steved, bash: sensors: command not found
[05:44] <ray_> anyone know how to clear the logfile?
[05:44] <steved> thorrn4: ok so its not installed hang on a sec
[05:44] <rgamino> bob2: any ideas???
[05:44] <adham> could someone help me
[05:44] <lynx> DanielHolmes, =] ] 
[05:45] <andersbr> ray_: Which logfile?
[05:45] <bob2> rgamino: that seems astoundingly crap for ati
[05:45] <tritium> devios, have you tried gaim-encryption instead?
[05:45] <ufzobook_> is it possible to reinstall older versions of a programm ? i did an update and some things dont work anymore.
[05:45] <bob2> rgamino: what does google say?
[05:45] <bob2> ufzobook_: if you're using breezy, please file bugs
[05:45] <adham> i need to know how to watch videos on clipland.com
[05:45] <aleksander> tritium, it was started...:P
[05:45] <steved> thorrn4: open up synaptic and search for sensors - there should be a package called lm-sensors install that then try again
[05:45] <ray_> adham, what do you need help with adham
[05:45] <tritium> aleksander, :)
[05:45] <andersbr> adham:  what format are the videos in?
[05:45] <rgamino> google says ask ubuntu irc's ;)
[05:45] <adham> I dont know im only 13
[05:46] <adham> but i do know they are music videos
[05:46] <ray_> get mozilla-vlc-plugin
[05:46] <ufzobook_> sure bob2, but it is software wich is not in the portage
[05:46] <bob2> rgamino: so, seriously, what does google say about ati's proprietary drivers and randr?
[05:46] <bob2> ufzobook_: this isn't gentoo
[05:46] <ufzobook_> ehm, in the sources of horay, sorry ;)
[05:46] <bob2> ufzobook_: then you email whoever made the packages
[05:46] <cyphase> you know what would be interesting? a debate between Linus Torvalds and Bill Gates :)
[05:46] <adham> lol
[05:46] <tritium> devios, gaim-encryption is already in universe, and might suit your needs
[05:47] <adham> who hates windows?
[05:47] <lynx> i do
[05:47] <aleksander> is #var/www" the apache document folder?
[05:47] <lynx> ehaeha
[05:47] <ray_> adham, get vlc
[05:47] <adham> ok thanx
[05:47] <Thorrn4> steved, I apt-get'd the program...will it be able 2 run now?
[05:47] <Thorrn4> adham, I do
[05:47] <cyphase> adham, just about everybody here
[05:47] <ray_> my parents have windows
[05:47] <rgamino> bob2: i haven't found anything yet... still google'ing
[05:47] <cyphase> including me
[05:47] <cyphase> :)
[05:47] <adham> lol
[05:47] <steved> thorrn4: try it see what it says
[05:47] <bob2> cyphase: linus doesn't care about ms, he just hacks the kernel.
[05:47] <adham> im still getting used to linux
[05:47] <gm78> ray_ : do u need the win32codecs for vlc (i downloaded and installed them from mplayer's website anyways)
[05:47] <gm78> ?
[05:47] <wdh> cyphase, why would that be interesting?
[05:47] <devios> tritium: unless gaim-encryption can chat with trillian encryption, it doesn't suit my needs
[05:47] <cyphase> bob2, yea, i know
[05:47] <honor> hello doesanyone know how to burn dvd-video?
[05:47] <lynx> so am i adham
[05:47] <cyphase> wdh, i just would
[05:48] <cyphase> :)
[05:48] <odie5533> How do I install a boot manager while preforming a low memory install?
[05:48] <ray_> gm78, no it just works for me
[05:48] <aleksander> trituim, are "var/www" the document folder?
[05:48] <adham> iv been a windows user for 9 years
[05:48] <bob2> no one seems to care, except mindless fanboys/girls
[05:48] <wdh> cyphase, we all know what they both will say :P
[05:48] <cyphase> both of tem trying to explain why their OS is better
[05:48] <gm78> honor, What do u mean by dvd-video? like dvd9 to dvd5 or what?
[05:48] <adham> so linux is kindof hard
[05:48] <cyphase> adham, what do you mean?
[05:48] <wdh> cyphase, there is no such thing as a 'better' OS
[05:48] <gm78> adham, different is more like it....i find it easier to fix than windows
[05:48] <lynx> i dont think it hard =] 
[05:48] <ray_> adham, yes it is a tad harder than windows but wellworth it
[05:48] <adham> well thats true
[05:49] <cyphase> wdh, stop thinking! just watch them go back and forth
[05:49] <cyphase> ;)
[05:49] <adham> its just that i dont know how to download anything
[05:49] <tritium> devios, I'm not sure if it does
[05:49] <lynx> its harder cause u are used to windows
[05:49] <adham> i know
[05:49] <adham> i just wanted to try something new
[05:49] <cyphase> and not particularly because windows is easier
[05:49] <ray_> the thing that i have found with widows is that it is fast as hell when you first install it and then a week later it is so full of shit it barley works
[05:50] <cyphase> adham, good for you
[05:50] <cyphase> :)
[05:50] <tritium> adham, it's worth the effort in learning
[05:50] <aleksander> tririum, are "var/www" the document folder?
[05:50] <DanielHolmes> Hey, just wanted to drop in and say thank you to whomever wants to listen.  About a week ago, I used nothing but gentoo and loved it.  But, after lusting after your distro for months (used the live cd a couple of times) I finally made the switch.  In fact, I loved it so much that my development machine has been switched over from a 2 year old gentoo install to a fresh, clean ubuntu.  My users may not appreciate my recent 2 day window of non-existent 
[05:50] <ray_> I spend more time cleaning my parents xp system that actually using it
[05:50] <adham> thats what happend to me
[05:50] <wdh> ray_, why discuss windows in a linux channel?
[05:50] <tritium> aleksander, by default, yes, /var/www/
[05:50] <cyphase> wdh, because windows is the direct competitor to linux
[05:50] <adham> because its something to talk about
[05:50] <aleksander> tritium, ok, do you know how a get permissions to it?
[05:50] <cyphase> wdh, you think they don't talk about linux at microsoft?
[05:50] <ray_> wdh, fuck off
[05:51] <tritium> ray_, easy
[05:51] <cyphase> wdh = Windows Die Hard
[05:51] <ray_> wdh, its just conversation
[05:51] <wdh> cyphase, they probably do.. but there is no use in you talking about windows here..
[05:51] <cyphase> wdh, why not?
[05:51] <tritium> ray_, don't do that again, please
[05:51] <gm78> wdh, well since ur the authority of this chat room why dont u kick him?? :-P
[05:51] <tritium> aleksander, use sudo
[05:51] <ray_> tritium, didnt think everyone could see that
[05:52] <tritium> ray_, it's not appropriate behavior for #ubuntu.  We have a code of conduct.
[05:52] <Thorrn4> is it wise to update the kernel? because the last time I did...GRUB ran slowly and programs booted slower; I had to reinstall on older version of the kernel and it made it run normally, like it was before
[05:52] <aleksander> tritium, with who command?
[05:52] <wdh> gm78, i am not.. i was just the person being annoyed by hearing about windows in the irc-channel of his beloved distro
[05:52] <bob2> Thorrn4: you're using breezy?
[05:52] <tritium> aleksander, see this for details: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:52] <bob2> anyway
[05:52] <sproingie> uboto, code of conduct?
[05:52] <gm78> Thorrn4, thats odd, never noticed that kind of behaviour
[05:52] <OverDriv3> this is what the synaptic package manager sais: This package contains the source needed to generate the kernel module. You can
[05:52] <OverDriv3> compile it manually or using kernel-package.
[05:52] <OverDriv3> How do i use the kernel-package?
[05:52] <r0bby> ever notice how high traffic the mailing lists are
[05:53] <r0bby> specifically -user?
[05:53] <steved> thorrn4: you got those sensors working ?
[05:53] <r0bby> :P
[05:53] <sproingie> grmbl ... how do i query the damn bot
[05:53] <Thorrn4> bob2, no 5.04...I dont know what is it called
[05:53] <Thorrn4> steved, it said: no sensors found :P
[05:53] <gm78> wdh, i know that was my point. it isnt ur chat room so it isn't really your place to moderate what everyone talks about....thats my opinion anyways
[05:53] <cyphase> wdh, do you care who uses linux and who uses windows? because if you don't, i can understand your position
[05:53] <tritium> OverDriv3, install kernel-package, and then see the docs in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package.  It will involve using make-kpkg with fakeroot.
[05:53] <tiredbones> After I stop the server, /etc/init.s/apache2 stop, I can still get display the placeholder page. If the server is down should I still beable to see this page?
[05:53] <bob2> cyphase: this doesn't sound very "helping people use ubuntu"-related
[05:53] <bob2> try #ubuntu-pfftopic
[05:53] <OverDriv3> tritium: i am a windows user that has no idea about command line stuff : /
[05:54] <ray_> i had to compile alsa 1.0.9 for my sound to work..... if i update the linux-headers and image will that break my sound?
[05:54] <tritium> OverDriv3, do you really need a custom kernel?
[05:54] <bob2> ray_: if it overwrites the .ko for your driver, yes
[05:54] <wdh> gm78, well.. it isnt your place to moderate what i am talking about then :P
[05:54] <steved> thorrn4: try running sensors-detect that should show you what modules need to be installed for the sensors to work
[05:54] <OverDriv3> i need it for something called LUFS
[05:54] <rade> hello everyone
[05:55] <ray_> bob2, can i stop that from happening
[05:55] <wdh> cyphase, i really dont care.. i like it when people use linux.. and i dislike windows marketing strategies/monopoly..
[05:55] <tritium> gm78, wdh please stop
[05:55] <rade> can anyone help me install a wlan usb adapter in ubuntu 5.04?
[05:55] <wdh> cyphase, and thats about it
[05:55] <cyphase> hmm..
[05:55] <ogge> hello. doing the "free -m" in terminal. only got 12mbyte free of 128mbyte! only running gaim and one terminal. isnt this a little bit to much? using ubuntu hoary, xfce4, xorg.
[05:55] <OverDriv3> tritium: some kind of file system enhancement
[05:55] <steved> thorrn4: run it with sudo otherwise it won't work
[05:55] <bob2> ray_: back it up, restore it after installing the kernel image
[05:55] <tritium> OverDriv3, which?
[05:55] <bob2> rade: you need to give a lot more details
[05:55] <bob2> ogge: read the -/+ line instead
[05:55] <OverDriv3> tritium: http://ftpfs.sourceforge.net/
[05:56] <Thorrn4> steved, still didnt work
[05:56] <Thorrn4>  :P
[05:56] <ray_> bob2, good idea thanks man
[05:56] <steved> thorrn4: what did it say this time ?
[05:56] <ogge> bob2, it says used 44 .. free 79.
[05:56] <gm78> ray_, actually....now that i think about it, the new kernel didn't change the abi (which is why it didn't need new headers) so u might be fine
[05:56] <tritium> OverDriv3, what for?
[05:56] <rade> alright, it's a cameo wlb 1403, the output from lsusb is "Bus 001 Device 004: ID 03eb:7613 Atmel Corp."
[05:56] <bob2> ogge: there you go
[05:56] <ogge> cool :)
[05:56] <steved> thornn4: if you run sudo sensors-detect
[05:56] <OverDriv3> so that i can mount a ftp directory and save directly to it from any program
[05:56] <ogge> linux is really freaking resource light.
[05:56] <tritium> OverDriv3, can't gnome-vfs do that?
[05:57] <steved> thorrn4: it should scan your machine and tell you what modules are needed
[05:57] <OverDriv3> tritium: i have tried, but i have no idea on how to do that..
[05:57] <tritium> OverDriv3, further, that projects says it's obsoleted by LUFS
[05:57] <ray_> ogge, yeah all I have running right now is this chat program and my system monitor and i am using 198 megs.. try using icewm
[05:57] <tiredbones> After I stop the server, /etc/init.s/apache2 stop, I can still get the placeholder page. If the server is down should I still beable to see this page?
[05:57] <tritium> OverDriv3, first, I'd suggest sftp over ftp, anyway.
[05:57] <bob2> ray_: presumably 150MB of that is disk cache
[05:57] <OverDriv3> tritium: i managed to connect to ftp and so on, but i cannot change files like i want to. And it is the LUFS i am talking about
[05:58] <bob2> tiredbones: so, why don't you see what's answering you then?
[05:58] <bob2> tiredbones: sudo netstat -plnt|grep 80
[05:58] <Thorrn4> steved, I loaded the sudo sensors-detect and it searched for all of the sensors....but I guess that I dont have any...sudo sensors says: no sensors found!
[05:58] <sproingie> is there some simple memory usage app that doesn't count video memory or buffer cache?
[05:58] <dabaR> hey, for some reason there is a new kernel image in updates for my Hoary. I dont have any extraneous repos  enabled, but I have main multiverse, universe, and restricted. Is this something that everyone got today?
[05:58] <steved> thorrn4: ok your out of luck then ;)
[05:58] <ray_> bob2, yeah i have a gig of ram but ubuntu only sees it as like 850? u know whats up with that?
[05:58] <bob2> sproingie: free -m, the 3 rd line
[05:58] <dabaR> 2.6.10.34.3
[05:58] <bob2> ray_: install the -686 kernel
[05:58] <CarlFK> bob2 - so I should just keep using my Zyxel 14.4?  (really nice modem, most of the use will be fax, so don't really need the speed)
[05:58] <teferi> Does anyone know when linux-restricted-modules for 2.6.12 will be in breezy?
[05:58] <ray_> i got the kernel updates
[05:58] <Thorrn4> steved, i guess so
[05:59] <ogge> icewm is very resourceheavy+
[05:59] <ogge> ?
[05:59] <ray_> bob2, is that easy
[05:59] <bob2> teferi: when 2.6.12 is unscrewed
[05:59] <on> i think i've found a resolution: it's RP-PPPoE. it's a desktop dialer for pppoe adsl connections. am i right? :/ i found it via ubuntuguide.org
[05:59] <ray_> bob2, is it an option at the normal install
[05:59] <bob2> ray_: yes, if you have a 686 cpu
[05:59] <bob2> ray_: no
[05:59] <OverDriv3> tritium: can you help me with gnome-vfs?
[05:59] <gm78> ogge, nope....icewm is actually really lightweight....also light in features tho
[05:59] <tritium> OverDriv3, can you use sftp?
[05:59] <bob2> on: ubuntu includes pppoe tools by default
[05:59] <ogge> ok cool.
[05:59] <ray_> its a p4 so yeah 686
[05:59] <teferi> bob2: it's just that linux-image has apparently been updated to 2.6.12 now, so I was wondering...
[05:59] <teferi> bob2: what's wrong with .12?
[05:59] <OverDriv3> tritium: what is sftp?
[05:59] <OverDriv3> secure?
[05:59] <tritium> yes
[05:59] <gm78> ogge, a cool window manager to try is windowmaker
[06:00] <sproingie> bob2: that still counts video memory, no?  thinking of something for newbs to use
[06:00] <bob2> teferi: lots of regressions, e.g. breaking udev in some circumstances
[06:00] <teferi> oh
[06:00] <teferi> lovely
[06:00] <rade> bob2: my adapter's a cameo wlb 1403, it's on the list for linux-wlan-ng, which i installed over synaptic, but it's still not working, the output from lsusb is "Bus 001 Device 004: ID 03eb:7613 Atmel Corp."... but when i type in iwconfig, i don#t get anything
[06:00] <ogge> gm78, ok. is it nice?
[06:00] <on> no, enlightenment or xfce is way more cool :)
[06:00] <OverDriv3> trit: doesn't matter to me
[06:00] <teferi> i'll stick with .10, i guess
[06:00] <teferi> bob2: are you kernel-team?
[06:00] <bob2> sproingie: "video memory"? you mean memory mapped out to the vide card, or memory used by X?
[06:00] <bob2> teferi: no
[06:00] <tritium> OverDriv3, I'd try: Places->Connect to Server
[06:00] <sproingie> bob2: yes, that
[06:00] <OverDriv3> trit: done that
[06:00] <OverDriv3> trit: i am connected
[06:00] <teferi> okay, never mind, that other question can wait
[06:00] <bob2> rade: no need to /msg me
[06:00] <sproingie> bob2: er, the memory mapped out to the vid card
[06:00] <ogge> I think xfce4 is quite nice.
[06:00] <tritium> OverDriv3, then what's the problem?
[06:00] <OverDriv3> trit: but i can't get apps to write to that directory
[06:00] <ray_> i love how easy it was to set up my video card using ubuntu
[06:00] <gm78> ogge, sort of....it takes getting used to....its free so u may as well go ahead and download it :P
[06:00] <rade> bob2, sorry, i thought you missed my message
[06:00] <OverDriv3> trit: it simply doesnt work.
[06:01] <dabaR> I guess what I am asking is: Is it normal to have a kernel image upgrade available like that? Just by sudo apt-get upgrade.
[06:01] <bob2> rade: iwconfig doesn't work with linux-wlan-ng drivers
[06:01] <ogge> is there anyway to view free available videocard memory?
[06:01] <bob2> rade: you need wlanctl or so
[06:01] <bob2> I forget
[06:01] <teferi> second question: there's a known bug in the madwifi driver regarding WPA not working, upstream is totally mum on it, is anyone in ubuntu working on it?
[06:01] <ray_> dabaR, Yeah i got the same update completely  normnal
[06:01] <tritium> dabaR, yes, the update-manager looks for security updates
[06:01] <rade> bob2, so what do you suggest i do?
[06:01] <bob2> rade: /usr/share/doc/linux-wlan-ng/README or so tells you the 3 commands or so to run to get a wlan-ng usb device working
[06:01] <OverDriv3> trit: any idea?
[06:01] <dabaR> Ok, thank you very much.
[06:02] <bob2> teferi: I'd try looking in bugzilla
[06:02] <rade> bob2: thanks, i'll check right now
[06:02] <bob2> teferi: or the ubuntu-kernel list archives
[06:02] <halbalbal> hi
[06:02] <teferi> bob2: yeah, i was going to head there, but figured i'd ask while i'm here
[06:02] <teferi> okay, thanks anyway
[06:02] <sproingie> i suppose unless psutils and company can detect memory-mapped I/O as opposed to actual system ram usage, the memory usage question is still a bit up in the air
[06:02] <bob2> teferi: afaik none of the kernel team are here
[06:02] <keffo> question, im going to install windows and make a "dual-boot" with grub.. i copied my old config, so after i installed windows.. shall i boot up with a live-cd for example and mount /boot and put the grub there?
[06:02] <bob2> no one I recognise, anyway
[06:02] <sproingie> given that so many onboard vid cards actually use system ram
[06:03] <halbalbal> i upgraded my kernel to 2.6.10-34-3 and now I can't boot. I get "Kernel panic -not syncing: VFS: unable to open root device"
[06:03] <ray_> what happened to  the linux downloads on Americas Army?
[06:03] <OverDriv3> trit: it usually ends at that point.... No one seems to be willing to help me with this. bah!
[06:03] <gm78> ogge, most cheap on board video cards don't have their own RAM
[06:03] <gm78> ray_, they should still be there
[06:03] <ray_> gm78, nope
[06:03] <ogge> gm78. aight.
[06:04] <ray_> gm78, havent been for days
[06:04] <tiredbones> bob2, the reply from netstat -plnt | grep 80 showed nothing listening. So why did the page pop-up/
[06:04] <dabaR> windows has to be first partition, right?
[06:04] <bob2> tiredbones: perhaps your browser is crap and caching it
[06:04] <ogge> Is there any way, if so, how do I put my ubuntu system in some kind of text-based mode only. With all the functions still available.
[06:04] <sproingie> dabaR: it doesn't care
[06:04] <ogge> But no GUI.
[06:04] <bob2> ogge: you'd need to be more specific about what "all the functions still available" means
[06:04] <bob2> ogge: you can certainly stop X starting
[06:05] <gm78> ray_, hmmmm, ur right....thats bright of em "we dont have the new version available yet so we'll just pull down the old one"
[06:05] <halbalbal> hi again, i upgraded my kernel to 2.6.10-34-3 and now I can't boot. I get "Kernel panic -not syncing: VFS: unable to open root device"
[06:05] <ogge> bob2, hrm. If I want to close down the GUI.
[06:05] <dabaR> halbalbal:  nice,...
[06:05] <blasdufnerb> everyone join #naruto-kun
[06:05] <tritium> OverDriv3, I took a look at it myself.  I can't save over gnome-vfs either.  Can you live with drag-n-drop?  Save changes locally, and copy them over with nautilus.
[06:05] <dabaR> tritium: is that gonna happen to me now??:)
[06:05] <tritium> dabaR, when?
[06:05] <halbalbal> dabaR: not really
[06:05] <ray_> gm78, I ended up  getting it from aafiles but u think they are coming out with a new version and it will be back up soon
[06:05] <tritium> what?
[06:05] <dabaR> when I reboot.
[06:06] <zenlunatic> how do you relaunch nautilus desktop?
[06:06] <bob2> RichiH: that guy's spamming
[06:06] <rade> bob2: i don't have a README file, i have a README.Debian, but for configuring usb devices it says "Currently this is not well integrated. See the section starting "FOR USB
[06:06] <rade> USERS" at the end of the README file."
[06:06] <ray_> zenlunatic, log out lol...... i do it the cheesy way
[06:06] <gm78> ray_, it says right on their site they are. they released version 2.4 for windows, linux and mac clients are coming soon
[06:06] <RichiH> bob2: that's what i came to see, yah
[06:06] <bob2> RichiH: hah
[06:06] <RichiH> why do people do that :/
[06:06] <gm78> ray_, aafiles....where is that?
[06:06] <zenlunatic> ray_: id rather not log out
[06:06] <dabaR> halbalbal: I hope not.
[06:06] <zenlunatic> ray_: i have a lot of stuff going here
[06:07] <bob2> RichiH: so they get more people in their channel omg lolz!
[06:07] <murphy> Hi
[06:07] <tritium> OverDriv3, okay, I need to get going.
[06:07] <skel_> hello
[06:07] <ray_> gm78, ahhh thanks.......... if you look under the windows links there is aafiles
[06:07] <OverDriv3> trit: thanks for your help anyway!
[06:07] <ray_> if you  go there u can get the old version
[06:07] <skel_> i having a issue with my gonme
[06:07] <bob2> aleksander: unless you're asking for my address to send bags of money to, please don't /msg me
[06:07] <RichiH> bob2: a whopping two, as we speak
[06:07] <tritium> OverDriv3, sure.  See my last message.  That's the best you can do, I think.
[06:07] <murphy> Kind of a newb question here, but I am trying to permanently mount a drive between both linux and windows
[06:07] <bob2> RichiH: hah
[06:07] <skel_> I can add appz to the gnome menu but i can not open them when i click them they just sit there and nothign starts
[06:08] <tritium> bob2, see you later.  Just a few more weeks, and I'll be back online more often.
[06:08] <aleksander> bob2, why not?
[06:08] <ray_> murphy, look at the ubuntu page
[06:08] <bob2> tritium: ah, cool, adios
[06:08] <bob2> tritium: good luck :)
[06:08] <tritium> bob2, thanks again :)
[06:08] <bob2> rade: do you have linux-wlan-ng-doc installed?
[06:08] <murphy> it's an NTFS data drive, and there is no OS on it, just data.
[06:08] <ray_> skel_, what app did you  try/
[06:08] <skel_> limire
[06:08] <murphy> the Ubuntu page?
[06:08] <OverDriv3> trit: that is the thing : i would very much like to avoid drag and drop
[06:08] <skel_> beep media player
[06:08] <OverDriv3> trit is gone.. ah..
[06:08] <skel_> they wont start recenty installed them...
[06:08] <gm78> ray_, alright, thx too...never knew that
[06:08] <rade> bob2: sorry, i should have guessed, just a sec
[06:08] <ray_> skel_, wouldnt work for me either...but every other app does
[06:08] <ogge> I got win2k installed on the first partition. How do I reach the partition?
[06:08] <aleksander> bob2, do you know how I can get permissions to var/www ???
[06:08] <bob2> rade: (I had to look that up myself)
[06:08] <skel_> hmmmm
[06:08] <skel_> werid
[06:09] <skel_> so how do i start it
[06:09] <skel_> in termial?
[06:09] <ray_> skel_, use the file browser
[06:09] <aleksander> norwegian people here?
[06:09] <ray_> skel_,  if you download the rpm and alien it...that version runs in the panel
[06:09] <murphy> I have acutally mounted it, but I can't figure out how to log in to the root user through the gui so I can change the permissions!?!
[06:10] <ray_> skel_, but that version is slower and buggy
[06:10] <bob2> murphy: you don't change permissions like that
[06:10] <lynx> murphy, i have the same problem
[06:10] <skel_> nah i will amke a laucher...
[06:10] <bob2> murphy: you need to mount it with the option umask=002
[06:10] <skel_> or try to
[06:10] <rade> bob2: i installed linux-wlan-ng- doc but still no README
[06:10] <murphy> do I have to do it through the terminal?
[06:10] <murphy> hmm
[06:10] <bob2> murphy: however you mounted it to begin with
[06:10] <ray_> skel_, i will try right now and let youknow if i can do  it
[06:10] <bob2> rade: ok, I don't know where it is then
[06:10] <skel_> k
[06:11] <ogge> this channel owns.
[06:11] <ogge> really good people! :)
[06:11] <zenlunatic> anyone know how to kill/relaunch nautilus?
[06:11] <murphy> ok, and then if it's in the fstab, how come it doesn't automatically mount on startup?
[06:11] <aleksander> How do i get permissions to var/www???
[06:11] <sanitario> zenlunatic, killall -HUP nautilus
[06:11] <lynx> bob2, where i put "umask=002" in mi fstab?
[06:11] <bob2> rade: what I had to do was: sudo modprobe prism2_usb prism2_doreset=1, sudo wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_ifstate ifstate=enable,  sudo wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_autojoin ssid="foo" authtype=opensystem
[06:12] <lynx> *my
[06:12] <bob2> lynx: in the options colume
[06:12] <bob2> lynx: e.g. change defaults to defaults,umask=002
[06:12] <lynx> ok, ill try
[06:12] <bob2> rade: you probably don't need to do the module line
[06:12] <bob2> aleksander: just put the files in ~/public_html/, dude
[06:12] <ray_> anyone use rkhunter.... should i?
[06:12] <murphy> hey linx, if you get it to work, could you post up your fstab entry?
[06:13] <aleksander> bob2, it's not an oublic_html filder here
[06:13] <bob2> murphy: if you want help, paste your /etc/fstab to #flood
[06:13] <bob2> aleksander: make it
[06:13] <rade> bob2: yea, i tried that, but after i put in "sudo wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_ifstate ifstate=enable" i get  "wlanctl-ng: No such device"
[06:13] <murphy> what does that do bob2?
[06:13] <ray_> What did you guys use for an os before Ubuntu?
[06:13] <bob2> rade: guess you need to load the driver manually then
[06:13] <bob2> murphy: let us see it so we can see what's wrong
[06:13] <aleksander> bob2, where?
[06:13] <bob2> ray_: Debian (which I still do use)
[06:13] <rade> bob2: can you tell me how?
[06:14] <Quest-Master> How do I upgrade my kernel?
[06:14] <bob2> rade: I don't know what driver you need
[06:14] <bassMonkey> hi, has anyone here installed mail-notification from scratch? i need the ssl feature so i'm currently trying my best... I get the following when trying to configure "No package "gconf-2.0' found", so what do i need to install?
[06:14] <lynx> bob2, my fstab is like that: /dev/hda1       /mnt/shadow     ntfs        auto,ro,users  0  0    where do i put that?
[06:14] <Choubaka> ray_: Same as bob2
[06:14] <ray_> bob2, I love debian but I just got a new computer and Ubuntu works and deb doesnt :(
[06:14] <bob2> ray_: yeah, X in Debian is a little outdated
[06:15] <rade> bob2: alright, i'm at a loss here, because i've been searching all day, do you know of any good howtos or readmes that might help me?
[06:15] <bob2> bassMonkey: I wouldn't bother compiling it
[06:15] <bob2> rade: no
[06:15] <ray_> bob2, yup ..... xorg works really nice
[06:15] <bob2> rade: searching for your chipset name + the word linux on google will eventually find you the module, tho
[06:15] <bassMonkey> bob2: well, have you got any other suggestions?
[06:15] <murphy> wow, sorry i'm a little confused, do I just type #flood /etc/fstab in my root terminal?
[06:15] <ogge> all the ubuntu swedes, go to #ubuntu.se
[06:15] <bob2> bassMonkey: use the version that's in ubuntu already?
[06:16] <bassMonkey> bob2: ssl isn't included in that one...
[06:16] <aleksander> bob2, where?
[06:16] <bassMonkey> bob2: so it can't access my mailbox =/
[06:16] <rade> bob2: the manufacturer doesn't have any drivers for linux available, is that what you mean? also, how can i find out what my chipset is?
[06:16] <lynx> bob2, /dev/hda5       /mnt/lynx     ntfs        auto,ro,users,umask=002  0  0   is that ok?
[06:16] <bob2> aleksander: where what?
[06:16] <bob2> rade: ignore the manufacturer, even if they made drivers they would be useless
[06:16] <bob2> rade: use lsusb
[06:16] <abeliko> hi any body could helpme with ndiswrapper???
[06:16] <aleksander> bob2, make public_html folder
[06:16] <bob2> lynx: yes
[06:16] <lynx> ok, ty
[06:16] <bob2> aleksander: in your home directory
[06:17] <bob2> bassMonkey: read it's package description
[06:17] <aleksander> bob2, then i must change the config file?
[06:17] <bob2> aleksander: no
[06:17] <aleksander> bob2, not?
[06:18] <aleksander> bob2, can i just make it, and then use with http://loaclhost ?
[06:18] <bob2> aleksander: nope
[06:18] <bob2> aleksander: then you access it as http://localhost/~username/
[06:18] <rade> bob2: i did lsusb, it gave me Bus 001 Device 004: ID 03eb:7613 Atmel Corp., but it's listed under compatible chipsets for linux-wlan-ng.. what i also find confusing is that lsusb says amtel, but my adapter (cameo 1403) is also listed... either way, shouldn#t it work?
[06:19] <bob2> rade: you need to load some atmel driver
[06:19] <bob2> which may or may not work
[06:19] <bob2> I just returned my atmel usb adapter because it was so flakey
[06:19] <GameJunky> is there a way to test a tar archive like you can with Rar? i've made about 10 backup cd's .. and i've put all the files in a rar archive then burned the archive to cd.. when i test the archive i get errors all the time. i dont know if it's Rar's fault, but i'd like to test tar out if i can test the archives after i burn them
[06:20] <rade> bob2: did you have to rebuild your kernel to get your amtel adapter to work?
[06:20] <bob2> rade: don't think so
[06:20] <bob2> rade: try "sudo modprobe atmel"
[06:20] <bob2> I think I tried it before linux-restricted-modules existed
[06:20] <toran> anyone have the 88x31 ubuntu website button? none of the images seem to be present on the websitebutton wiki page
[06:20] <bassMonkey> bob2: "I had to disable SSL because of a license issue. Hopefully, this will be solve soon."
[06:21] <rade> bob2: ok, it didn't give me an error message, how do i load it?
[06:21] <bassMonkey> bob2: SSL/TLS support (disabled, see README.Debian)
[06:21] <bob2> bassMonkey: so, get the source package, edit debian/rules, rebuild
[06:21] <bob2> rade: read the end of dmesg
[06:21] <murphy> ok, thanks bob2, now it mount automatically, but I can't access the data, how do I repair the permissions?
[06:22] <bob2> murphy: I don't see your /etc/fstab in #flood
[06:22] <GameJunky> can anyone answer my question?
[06:22] <rade> bob2: it says "prism2usb_init: prism2_usb.o: 0.2.1-pre25 Loaded
[06:22] <rade> prism2usb_init: dev_info is: prism2_usb
[06:22] <rade> usbcore: registered new driver prism2_usb
[06:22] <rade> usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 3
[06:22] <rade> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4", is that good?
[06:22] <ray_> GameJunky, what was it?
[06:22] <GameJunky> is there a way to test a tar archive like you can with Rar? i've made about 10 backup cd's .. and i've put all the files in a rar archive then burned the archive to cd.. when i test the archive i get errors all the time. i dont know if it's Rar's fault, but i'd like to test tar out if i can test the archives after i burn them
[06:22] <murphy> oh sorry
[06:22] <bob2> GameJunky: no need to repeat
[06:22] <bassMonkey> i'm trying to build it, but I can't because "No package 'gconf-2.0' found"
[06:22] <bob2> GameJunky: use the md5sum command
[06:23] <GameJunky> bob, ray asked :_
[06:23] <ray_> GameJunky, md5sum
[06:23] <GameJunky> :)
[06:23] <bob2> bassMonkey: so, run 'sudo apt-get build-dep mail-notification'
[06:23] <bob2> ray_ can scroll up then
[06:23] <GameJunky> lol
[06:23] <GameJunky> ok i'll try md5sum
[06:23] <xxtreme> gm78
[06:23] <GameJunky> it would suck if i burned all these backup cd's then removed the originals and the cd's didn't work
[06:23] <GameJunky> i think i would give up on computers :-/
[06:24] <bob2> murphy: as I said, umask=002, not umask=0
[06:24] <ray_> unsing tar they shouldnt be corrupt
[06:24] <murphy> it should be 0 0 2, or do the spaces matter,  it's hda5 i'm trying to mount
[06:25] <bob2> what I said is correct, just copy it
[06:25] <sanitario> murphy, the spaces do matter
[06:25] <bassMonkey> bob2: thank you! Didn't know it could be that simple... =)
[06:25] <sanitario> murphy, remove them
[06:25] <Quest-Master> How do I upgrade my kernel?
[06:25] <GameJunky> well thank you for the help, i'll see yall around
[06:25] <bob2> Quest-Master: you generally leave it alone
[06:25] <murphy> ok, so now how do I remount?
[06:25] <Flickie> Hi
[06:25] <ray_> Quest-Master, why do youwant to?
[06:26] <xxtreme> bob2= is there any special commands i need to install a game in ubuntu. the file is linux.run
[06:26] <Quest-Master> bob2: It apparently wasn't upgraded when I moved from Warty to Hoary, so.. yeah, I need to
[06:26] <topyli> Quest-Master: the question is "why"
[06:26] <Flickie> anyone know if buntu supports HT technology?
[06:26] <bob2> xxtreme: read the instructions.  if it doesn't have any, ask the authors.
[06:26] <Quest-Master> topyli: yes, and I have answered it :)
[06:26] <topyli> yes
[06:26] <bob2> Flickie: yes, but it's not that useful
[06:26] <topyli> :)
[06:26] <ray_> xxtreme, just chang the permissions and run it
[06:26] <Flickie> bob2: how do i enable it?
[06:26] <bob2> Quest-Master: so, install ubuntu-desktop
[06:26] <xxtreme> bob2 ok
[06:26] <bob2> Flickie: install a -smp kernel
[06:26] <xxtreme> ray=thanks
[06:26] <Flickie> bob2: cheers :)
[06:26] <bob2> Flickie: e.g. install linux-686-smp
[06:27] <xliu> but install ubuntu-desktop will install apmd,
[06:27] <murphy> Do I have to unmount the drive now?
[06:27] <Flickie> bob2: cheers :D
[06:27] <odie5533> Whats the difference between backports and... main ports?
[06:27] <bob2> murphy: yes
[06:27] <ogge> Why do I have to do the "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade". What does these commands search for, and what does these install?
[06:27] <bob2> odie5533: backports are dodge
[06:28] <murphy> is it jsust : unmount ........?
[06:28] <odie5533> bob2: dodgey?
[06:28] <bob2> ogge: man apt-get
[06:28] <bob2> odie5533: indeed
[06:28] <Quest-Master> bob2: I don't see a 2.6.10-5-686 in there
[06:28] <rade> bob2: the last line from dmesg was "usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4", is that ok? what should i do now? iwconfig still doesn't see the adapter
[06:28] <odie5533> bob2: so I shouldn't use them?
[06:28] <bob2> rade: no idea, you need to go find what driver it uses
[06:28] <bob2> odie5533: correct
[06:28] <bob2> unless you know how to fix it when it breaks
[06:28] <bob2> in which case you'd have better options than them anyway
[06:28] <OverDriv3> i am trying to install LUFS now, and it tells me that "In order to build LUFS you need to have the running kernel's headers installed". It says "Check whether /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include is pointing to the running kernel's include dir". I run that command and is told the directory isnt existing - which it isnt. What do i do?
[06:28] <odie5533> which I certainly don't :D
[06:29] <bob2> OverDriv3: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[06:29] <odie5533> bob2: why would anyone use them then?
[06:29] <bob2> but you're going to a huge amount of effort to work around a process problem
[06:29] <Flickie> bob2: where do i get this kernal?
[06:29] <gverig> Hi! I am having problems with nvidia driver. It loads and then it says that it was unable to load nvidia kernel module. Any idea? kernel-nvidia-common is installed and there is an nvidia file in the modprobe.d
[06:29] <bob2> odie5533: some people have a desire to run the latest versions of things, but not the skill to use the development version of ubuntu
[06:30] <sly> erm................
[06:30] <bob2> gverig: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:30] <sly> i just killed all my desktop icons n stuff, i assume running nautilus will fix it ? =\
[06:30] <bob2> probably
[06:30] <odie5533> bob2: I want the latest stuff! but I don't have any skill, so what would you suggest? Not backports right?
[06:30] <bob2> Flickie: install that package...
[06:30] <gverig> bob2: thanks
[06:30] <yuacht> hello... sometimes im just not able to login to msn even though msn works for everyone else. usually when the internet has been down for a short time (problems with router). i've tried both amsn and gaim... when using gaim i just get to handshaking then it stops... what should i do? i've tried rebooting
[06:30] <Flickie> bob2: thanks
[06:30] <bob2> odie5533: if you care that much, use gentoo or something
[06:31] <odie5533> :O suggesting a different distro lol
[06:31] <bob2> yuacht: how do you connect to the internet?
[06:31] <OverDriv3> bob2: thanks again, i'll get back to you if anything goes wrong =)
[06:31] <bob2> odie5533: no, I'm more suggesting just realising that you can live with software that's a whole 4 months old
[06:31] <ray_> gentoo is confusing to install
[06:31] <bob2> you = general you, not you in particular
[06:31] <odie5533> bob2: by dev version of ubuntu, you mean breezy right?
[06:32] <bob2> yes
[06:32] <Quest-Master> bob2: So.. the problem is that I have the 4 version of 2.6.10 and I need 5, as it is supposed to be in Hoary, but it was mysteriously not upgraded
[06:32] <bob2> Quest-Master: ok!
[06:32] <bob2> Quest-Master: if you really want to debug it, look at what apt says when you try to install it
[06:33] <OverDriv3> i get this error when i run the ./configure command:
[06:33] <OverDriv3> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[06:34] <OverDriv3> eh..
[06:34] <OverDriv3> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[06:34] <OverDriv3> that is the message
[06:34] <shawnh> good morning
[06:34] <murphy> ok, so I remounted, but I still don't have permissions from the GUI
[06:34] <bob2> OverDriv3: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[06:34] <ray_> apt-get instal gcc g++
[06:34] <bob2> murphy: so, paste the output of "mount" to #flood
[06:34] <bob2> rade: that won't work either
[06:34] <ray_> OverDriv3, apt-get instal gcc g++
[06:34] <bob2> OverDriv3: but bear in mind how much effort this is for such little gain
[06:34] <murphy> ok, does it print the output in the terminal?
[06:35] <bob2> murphy: indeed...
[06:35] <shawnh>  okay then just do that
[06:35] <shawnh> okay then just do that
[06:36] <OverDriv3> bob2: i really need it! It is crucial for my migration to linux. i am totally tired of minimizing and drag and drop eberytime i change a file
[06:36] <murphy> Bob2: there was no output!
[06:36] <rade> bob2: what won't work either?
[06:36] <bob2> OverDriv3: why are you doing all your development remotely?
[06:37] <bob2> murphy: yes there was
[06:37] <bob2> OverDriv3: run apache on your local machine and test changes there
[06:37] <bob2> rade: er, to ray, not you
[06:37] <ray_> bob2, I would be pulling my hair out if I were you....
[06:37] <OverDriv3> bob2: i usually creates the main stuff local, and then creates preview sites for my clients.
[06:37] <ray_> WHY TO ME
[06:37] <lynx> anyone here knows where i can find traydock plugin for amsn?
[06:38] <sly> lynx.... should already come as standard ?
[06:38] <bob2> OverDriv3: that's awesome, but editing live stuff seems kinda weird
[06:38] <sly> did when i installed from spt-get
[06:38] <mindspin> bob2 except you have a cool cms
[06:38] <OverDriv3> bob2: well, i have gotten used to it in dreamweaver
[06:38] <OverDriv3> and the live stuff are preview sites
[06:38] <bob2> yes, I know
[06:39] <lynx> sly did u have to change any configuration?
[06:39] <bob2> and I'm used to eating babies for dinner
[06:39] <lynx> mine didnt come with the plugin
[06:39] <bob2> we all need to make adjustments!
[06:39] <ray_> i love babies
[06:39] <sly> nope just select 2 things under the tools option
[06:39] <sly> minimize when hit close button ..... and the dicking part
[06:39] <lynx> what?
[06:39] <sly> to kde/gnome
[06:39] <lynx> ok
[06:39] <bob2> murphy: that's not what I said
[06:39] <bob2> murphy: paste the output of the command "mount"
[06:40] <sly> the gnome dock kinda kept crashing amsn for me
[06:40] <CarlFK> bob2 - found an isa/rockwell modem - rockwell is a real com port, right?
[06:40] <sly> but the freedesktop option works the same and no crashs *touch wood*
[06:40] <bob2> CarlFK: I don't know
[06:40] <bob2> if it's isa, it's very likely to not be a winmodem, tho
[06:40] <ray_> all you guys really need to do is read the Ubuntu page
[06:40] <mindspin> ;-)
[06:42] <ray_> silence
[06:42] <bob2> until you broke it!
[06:42] <ray_> oops
[06:43] <mindspin> they're all off reading
[06:43] <ray_> GOOD!
[06:43] <lynx> sly, thank u
[06:43] <lynx> =] 
[06:44] <bob2> the docs need a lot of tidying before I'd be comfortable pointing people there to begin with
[06:44] <sly> =)
[06:44] <mindspin> but its not too much to get an general overview first
[06:44] <ray_> i set upmy whole system just by reading the ubuntu website...and there was alot of stuff that didnt work at first
[06:44] <bob2> murphy: so, "sudo umount /otherdrive ; sudo mount /otherdrive"
[06:46] <bob2> murphy: so, when people told you to do that before, you didn't tell them that unmounting failed
[06:46] <bob2> which is the crucial clue to solving your problem
[06:46] <bob2> kill everything accessing that disk and drive again
[06:47] <murphy> well, I think unmounting failed, because after I executed the unmount command, my GUI just showed an empty directory at /otherdrive
[06:47] <murphy> I mean, I don't think it failed
[06:47] <bob2> so
[06:47] <bob2> kill that window
[06:48] <ogge> How can i watch processes running?
[06:48] <sqrt> Does someone in here have a link to a guide for partitioning and dualbooting a windows xp so that it can run also linux?
[06:48] <bob2> ogge: depends what you mean
[06:48] <ogge> processes in ram
[06:48] <bob2> sqrt: install ubuntu.  enjoy!
[06:48] <bob2> ogge: still too vague
[06:48] <sqrt> bob2: I'd like to dual boot, though.
[06:48] <bob2> ogge: do you mean "watch what syscalls they make" or "watch how much cpu they use" or ...
[06:49] <murphy> Was that for me bob2? or someone else?
[06:49] <ogge> processes running, like CTRL + ALT + DEL in WIN XP.
[06:49] <bob2> sqrt: yes, ubuntu will install and configure a bootloader capable of booting either
[06:49] <mindspin> ps aux
[06:49] <bob2> sqrt: it will optionally let you resize existing windows partitions
[06:49] <ogge> bob2, both of em =)
[06:49] <bob2> ogge: maybe "top"
[06:49] <bob2> ogge: strace is you want to watch syscalls
[06:49] <sqrt> really? :O
[06:49] <ogge> bob2. thanks alot.
[06:49] <yuacht> bob2, through a local net with a router
[06:50] <bob2> most things are easy if you define exactly what you want
[06:50] <sqrt> bob2: so my stuff on the windows part won't be smashed?
[06:50] <bob2> murphy: yes...
[06:50] <bob2> sqrt: correct (unless the resizer is buggy, but presumably you have backups, etc, etc)
[06:50] <magnus> ciao tutti me ne vado
[06:51] <murphy> do I wan't do delete the directory /otherdrive?
[06:51] <aimaz> ogge: if you use gnome there is gnome-system-monitor too which is very similar to the win xp ctrl+alt+del thing
[06:51] <bob2> well, you're living on borrowed time, whatever yo udo
[06:51] <sqrt> true.
[06:51] <bob2> murphy: that sentence is unparsable, but "no, you don't want to deleted that directory"
[06:51] <OverDriv3> how come i only get the help schreen of a command when i try to run it?
[06:51] <OverDriv3> here is the command
[06:51] <OverDriv3> mount -t lufs none /mnt/ftp -n -o \
[06:51] <OverDriv3>   nosuid,fs=ftpfs,host=ftp.example.com, \ username=jzawodn,password=mypassword,ftpactive
[06:51] <murphy> ok, so my terminal is closed
[06:52] <murphy> sorry I'm so noobish
[06:52] <murphy> thanks a ton bob2
[06:52] <sobersabre> hi. how can i tune splashy ?
[06:52] <OverDriv3> anyone?
[06:53] <bob2> OverDriv3: when asking things like that, it's a lot easier if you paste the entire output, includign your command to #flood
[06:53] <yuacht> bob2, through a local net with a router
[06:53] <OverDriv3> what sort of channel is that?
[06:53] <bob2> a channel for pasting things...
[06:53] <bob2> yuacht: sounds like your router is being crap
[06:54] <OverDriv3> bob2: pasting things?
[06:54] <OverDriv3> what sort of things?
[06:54] <mindspin> output of commands
[06:54] <bob2> like the thing I just asked you to paste
[06:54] <bob2> but now I'm going to sleep
[06:55] <murphy> bye bob2
[06:55] <bob2> OverDriv3: you're still not doing what I said
[06:55] <bob2> which makes it incredibly frustrating to try to help you
[06:56] <bob2> when someone says "it's a lot easier if you paste the entire output, includign your command to #flood", what they mean is "please paste the entire output, including things you seem to think don't matter, to #flood"
[06:56] <OverDriv3> bob2: what did you say?
[06:56] <Alek> How do I install phpmyadmin ????
[06:56] <OverDriv3> hey, i have no idea what do do. It sound very strange to just paste it in there. Are there some magic guy ho knows my question?
[06:57] <bob2> jesus dude
[06:57] <bob2> it's so we can bloody see what the problem is
[06:57] <murphy> anyone else know how to change the permissions on a mounted drive?
[06:57] <bob2> since you just keep paraphrasing it
[06:57] <Alek> Any one here who have installed mysql ?
[06:57] <bob2> which is useless
[06:57] <OverDriv3> i thought people used to be friendly to noobs... sorry, man!
[06:57] <bob2> it's hard to be friendly when they continue to ignore advice
[06:57] <scarlettecho> Can anyone tell me how to get install Azureus?
[06:57] <mindspin> bob2 is very polite and friendly
[06:57] <bob2> forcing you to give me information so I can help you is more painfule for me than you
[06:58] <OverDriv3> i started writing commands an hour or two ago, i am not familiar at all with how linux works and how to use it
[06:58] <bob2> indeed
[06:58] <bob2> which is why you need to listen to people who try to help you
[06:58] <bob2> when I say  "it's a lot easier if you paste the entire output, includign your command to #flood", you need to do so
[06:58] <bob2> or say "I'm sorry, I don't know what that means"
[06:58] <chillywilly> is ubuntu a good server OS?
[06:58] <Alek> can any one help me with install phpmyadmin?
[06:58] <bob2> yes
[06:58] <chillywilly> :P
[06:59] <bob2> Alek: dude, use some initiative.  did you try installing the package of that name?
[06:59] <DeCaoS> I have ubuntu 4.10, and I installed ipop3 but during some minutes the service get down. :( I don't know why?? Can Anybody help me ? :$
[06:59] <OverDriv3> i run a community myself, a support forum for Mambo Open Source, and are very familiar with the problem that noobs don't give enough info on their questions. But i have no idea what information you need! And when you say the entire output, i am not even shure what that is!
[06:59] <Mondoshawan> Hi all i have a little strange problem with ubuntu can me somebody help who has expirience with enlightenment?
[06:59] <bob2> OverDriv3: dude
[07:00] <bob2> OverDriv3: you typed that mount command into your terminal
[07:00] <bob2> OverDriv3: now show us a) exactly what you typed, including your prompt, and b) the entire output of the command
[07:00] <bob2> no snipping, no "help output", the entire text
[07:00] <Alek> bob2, yeah i tried
[07:00] <xliu> mv and cp will overwrite the destination files withour asking, so how to prevent it?
[07:00] <mindspin> that means everything you see after hitting enter
[07:00] <Choubaka> xliu: mv -i
[07:00] <Choubaka> or cp -i
[07:01] <bob2> Alek: oh, so it worked?
[07:01] <OverDriv3> this is useless..
[07:01] <bob2> Alek: or did you forget to tell us the error?
[07:01] <bob2> wtf
[07:01] <bob2> someone please advise me how I could explain thigns more clearly to "overdrive"
[07:01] <DeCaoS> Where is uw-imap in ubuntu 4.10 ?
[07:01] <pim> je suis franais
[07:01] <sanitario> bob2, I don't think you could
[07:01] <mindspin> no way bob, he-#s lost
[07:01] <bob2> DeCaoS: just use dovecot
[07:01] <mindspin> maybe tomorrow
[07:02] <DeCaoS> :)
[07:02] <mindspin> information overkill
[07:02] <Nikopol_away> bob2: I'll help Alek
[07:02] <xliu> thanks Choubaka
[07:02] <scarlettecho> Would anyone here know how to install Azureus?
[07:02] <Choubaka> xliu: you can use alias too
[07:02] <xliu> alias?
[07:02] <xliu> then how to ?
[07:02] <Choubaka> xliu: add "alias mv='mv -i'" to some startup scripts.
[07:03] <xliu> Choubaka, so which startup files? bash.bashrc?
[07:03] <Choubaka> that makes it ask everytime if you want that.
[07:03] <mindspin> but it can hurt if you on a different machine
[07:03] <Choubaka> xliu: ~/.bash_profile I think. or ~/.bashrc
[07:03] <DeCaoS> bob2: dovecot authenticate by paswd?
[07:04] <lao_v> hiya..can anyone please help me in setting up postfix for my domain www.vmhost.co.uk???
[07:04] <mindspin> I could give you a good manual but its for debian
[07:05] <lao_v> mindspin: sure
[07:05] <mindspin> http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/
[07:05] <lao_v> thanks mindspin
[07:06] <mindspin> but be careful with blanks in configuring courierauth
[07:06] <aimaz> scarlettecho, http://ubuntuguide.org/#azureus
[07:06] <mindspin> its a pain
[07:06] <mindspin> sometimes
[07:06] <scarlettecho> aimaz, I did try that yesterday and it installed without a core component?
[07:06] <sanitario> DeCaoS, yes, you can use /etc/passwd with dovecot (if that is what you are indeed asking)
[07:06] <aimaz> scarlettecho, java did or azureus did?
[07:07] <murphy> uuhg, Is there any way to actually log into the root user??
[07:07] <scarlettecho> aimaz, Azureus did.  It wants to install update, then asked to restart, which I did but then still said it needed to update.
[07:07] <mindspin> lao_v if you need help try #postfix
[07:07] <pipe> murphy: There is the root console in the menu
[07:07] <mindspin> the guy who wrote that manual is there sometimes ;-)
[07:07] <DeCaoS> sanitario: thanks
[07:08] <sanitario> murphy, you could run sudo -s
[07:08] <ogge> How can I browse my win2k partition? Want some music :)
[07:08] <aimaz> scarlettecho, are you sure it was updatng the same thing
[07:08] <sanitario> murphy, or sudo su -
[07:08] <aimaz> scarlettecho, sometimes one update depends on another
[07:09] <murphy> hmm, Yeah, I want to change some permissions and I don't know the code to do that, so I wanted to do it through the GUI
[07:09] <scarlettecho> aimaz, no, I can't be sure.  and i removed Azureus.  so, i should re-install from the ubuntuguide.org site?
[07:09] <lynx> murphy
[07:10] <tonsku> hello world
[07:10] <murphy> hi lynx
[07:10] <lynx> can i see ur fstab configuration?
[07:10] <pipe> hello tonsku
[07:10] <murphy> yeah, one sec
[07:10] <sanitario> ogge, at first you need to mount your w2k partition
[07:10] <lao_v> thanks mindspin..sorry i got busy reading the link u gave :-)
[07:10] <mindspin> no prob
[07:10] <lao_v> i'm gonna get a serious headache very soon!
[07:10] <mindspin> it works fine for me
[07:11] <mindspin> and is probably what you want
[07:11] <lao_v> r u using it as localhost or for a tld?
[07:11] <murphy> lynx, look in #flood
[07:11] <ogge> sanitario. ok. and how do I mount?
[07:11] <mindspin> tld
[07:11] <sanitario> ogge, something like sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/w2k -t ntfs -o user,uid=1000,gid=1000
[07:11] <mindspin> with about 80 users
[07:11] <aimaz> scarlettecho, if you follow those instrcutions then it should install fine, it sounds like it was installed before ok, it just needed some updates specific to azureus, which it installs itself
[07:11] <lao_v> mindspin: cool..i know who to ask if i get stuck :-)
[07:11] <mindspin> smtp authentication is much cooler than popbefore smtp
[07:12] <sanitario> ogge, that is if you run ntfs and your w2k partition is the primary master, first partition
[07:12] <mindspin> yep
[07:12] <scarlettecho> aimaz, thanks. will try again.  i appreciate your help.
[07:12] <aimaz> scarlettecho, also try running azureus from the command line, perhaps when the update is downloaded it cannot be installed because of permission problems or something
[07:12] <murphy> so, no one know how to log into the root user from the GUI?
[07:12] <ogge> sanitario. thanx.
[07:12] <sanitario> ogge, and your userid is 1000
[07:12] <aimaz> if that's the case come here again and let these folks know the error
[07:12] <lao_v> mindspin: i would be happy at this point if i can get it to send something
[07:12] <scarlettecho> aimaz, will do. ty
[07:12] <lynx> murphy, put umask=022 in ur fstab
[07:12] <ogge> userid is 1000, how do I know my userid
[07:12] <murphy> ok
[07:13] <sanitario> ogge, if you're the only user on the machine, it should be 1000
[07:13] <lynx> look mine
[07:13] <sanitario> ogge, you can check by running the command: id
[07:14] <ogge> sanitario. ok, seems like the userid is 1000
[07:14] <ogge> and gid = 1000
[07:15] <ogge> mount point media/w2k doesnt exist.
[07:15] <murphy> Lynx, what did that do for me?
[07:15] <ogge> I got my music on C:/media/musik at my win2k partition.
[07:15] <murphy> AAAAAA!
[07:15] <Alek> Any here who have a "MSN BOT" ?
[07:16] <rade> bob2: do you have a minute? i'm having trouble compiling the driver for atmel
[07:16] <bob2> you don't need to compile it
[07:17] <rade> bob2: well, i really don't know what to do, i've installed everything i think i can install, and it's still not working, their site has newer drivers for download, and i'm afraid i might even need to rebuild my kernel to get this stupid thing working
[07:17] <sanitario> ogge, you need to sudo mkdir /media/w2k ; sudo chown ogge: /media/w2k
[07:17] <rade> bob2: according to their instructions
[07:18] <bob2> rade: just return it and get a neatgear ma-111, version 1
[07:18] <Alek> ANY ONE WHO HAS A MSN BOT?
[07:19] <Davey|Work> Does anyone know if I resize an NTFS partition with the Ubuntu installer, will it format it?
[07:19] <devios> a msn bot?
[07:19] <jbroome> Alek: no response to two inquiries leads me to believe, that no.  no one does
[07:19] <mindspin> Alek you know capital letters are for shouting?
[07:19] <ogge> cool, it does work sanitario. thanx.
[07:19] <rade> bob2: i don't know if i can afford it, i mean, i'm a student, in germany, from serbia, i can't return this one because i bought it over ebay
[07:19] <sanitario> ogge, no problem
[07:20] <bob2> Alek: stop being annoying
[07:20] <lpih> Guys
[07:20] <mindspin> rade sell it again and get anew one (used)
[07:20] <lpih> I've done desktop install for a SMP computer
[07:20] <lpih> it's been used a desktop.. is it stupid to just delete xorg and stuffs from it
[07:20] <murphy> when I try to log in to the root user through the main login screen, it says" The root user can't login here"
[07:20] <bob2> rade: well, good luck
[07:20] <lpih> and continue using it as a server
[07:20] <bob2> murphy: so don't do that
[07:20] <lpih> or should i do a fresh install
[07:20] <Davey|Work> murphy: you use sudo
[07:20] <sjmurdoch> This page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto says: "At this point, you need to change your kernel's configuration to statically include your bus, disk, and filesystem drivers." - do you know why this is the case? I never did this in Debian Woody and didn't have problems.
[07:20] <murphy> so, where am I supposed to login other than the terminal?
[07:21] <bob2> murphy: you dont ever login as root
[07:21] <murphy> I'm just trying to avoid unix commands,
[07:21] <ogge> what mp3 player for ubuntu hoary, xfce4 do you prefer. want a small, fast one.
[07:21] <murphy> ok,
[07:21] <bob2> sjmurdoch: if you didn't do it on woody, you wouldn't have had a bootable kernel
[07:21] <Davey|Work> myosotis: login as your regular user, and type "sudo " before a command to make it run as root
[07:21] <bob2> sjmurdoch: the default woody config included such things statically
[07:21] <murphy> I do on a mac in osX, that's why I'm confused
[07:21] <Davey|Work> myosotis: to login as root, simple login as aanother user and type "sudo passwd root" to set a root password, then type "exit" or "login" and login :)
[07:22] <Choubaka> no :(
[07:22] <murphy> bob2: lynx had me change that thing in my fstab to 022
[07:22] <Choubaka> don't enable the root account for no reason.
[07:22] <Choubaka> if you need a root shell, use sudo -i
[07:22] <murphy> what do I do to gain access to my mounted drive through my admin user?
[07:22] <sjmurdoch> bob2: But not on Hoary? Above that warning it says to copy the .config from /boot to the compile directory and that was sufficient for Woody
[07:22] <murphy> through the gui?
[07:22] <devios> I just installed openssh-server.  when I try to start the service, I get: Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key
[07:22] <devios> Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key
[07:22] <devios> Disabling protocol version 2. Could not load host key
[07:22] <devios>  *hd: no hostkeys available -- exiting.                                  [fail] 
[07:23] <devios> nm - it was because I was trying to start ssh as a normal user
[07:24] <devios> forgot to sudo
[07:24] <bob2> sjmurdoch: why are you compiling a kernel anyway?
[07:24] <bob2> devios: er, it starts by default...
[07:24] <sjmurdoch> bob2: I am trying to debug a device driver, so want to make some changes to it
[07:24] <devios> bob2: it does.  I had to change the port it listened on, so I stopped it
[07:25] <devios> bob2: and then forgot to sudo when restarting it
[07:25] <ogge> the smallest, lightest mp3 player out there for ubuntu hoary, xfce4 ?
[07:25] <Seveas> beep-media-player
[07:25] <bob2> ogge: you don't want it, but cplay
[07:25] <sjmurdoch> bob2: Ubuntu would appear to be different. The .boot/config... in Hoary has IDE as a module, whereas in Woody it is static
[07:25] <ogge> apt-get insatll cplay ?
[07:26] <bob2> sjmurdoch: yes, woody was from 2002
[07:26] <bob2> sjmurdoch: sarge is the same as hoary
[07:26] <blake__> hey can someone help me please
[07:26] <bob2> sjmurdoch: if you know how to debug a driver, presumably you know how to configure a kernel, so just go from scratch
[07:26] <blake__> i think i did something stupid
[07:27] <blake__> lol
[07:27] <sjmurdoch> bob2: I could, but I haven't compiled one with Ubuntu and just installed it yesterday so am looking for the easiest option
[07:28] <sjmurdoch> I am also interested in finding the differences between Woody and Hoary
[07:28] <Kartagis> hello
[07:28] <bob2> sjmurdoch: it's identical to every other os
[07:28] <SliderMan> how can i check what grafics card has started?
[07:28] <blake__> there was a folder on my desktop that i sisn't want anyone to see so i wen't to prefrances and un checked all the options and now it dissapeered and i need it back!!!! someone plase help
[07:28] <{Seb}> sjmurdoch: hoary has newer packages
[07:29] <bob2> sjmurdoch: this is not between "woody and hoary" it's between "2002 and the modern world".  everyone is doing initrd now
[07:29] <maruchan> hello i was wondering if someone could help me fix my sound
[07:29] <blake__> please someone help i need my porn back
[07:30] <blake__> lmoa
[07:30] <sjmurdoch> bob2: So if I use an initrd, I don't need to compile in bus/disk/filesystem? That howto implies that it does, which confused me
[07:30] <bob2> I don't htink it does imply that, but you are are correct
[07:30] <Seveas> blake__, chmod u+rwx ~/Desktop/NAME_OF_FOLDER
[07:30] <bob2> \however, it's a massive pain in the ass, so avoid it if possible
[07:31] <sjmurdoch> bob2: An initrd is a pain in the ass?
[07:31] <topyli> blake__: change the permissions as root (use sudo)
[07:31] <maruchan> my sound sounds like crap
[07:31] <blake__> ok i'll try that do i need to do it sudo
[07:31] <blake__> ooh ok
[07:31] <jfk303> Hello, how do I give a folder (and ALL its sub folders / files) full rwx permissions to all users?
[07:31] <bob2> sjmurdoch: yes
[07:31] <ogge> wow. beep-media-player is really nice :)
[07:31] <resiak> jfk303: Why are you doing that?
[07:31] <topyli> blake__: in the future, just rename it to .pr0n so it's hidden :)
[07:32] <Seveas> jfk303, chmod -R a+rwX foldername
[07:32] <sjmurdoch> bob2: In what way, I haven't had any problems in the past, and have used it because it was the Woody default
[07:32] <sjmurdoch> ?
[07:32] <jfk303> resaiak, its music everyone needs access to
[07:32] <maruchan> i think the problem with my sound it sounds mono
[07:32] <Kartagis> I have to install nvidia drivers. I apt-get'd nvidia-kernel-source. that required kernel-source. I apt-cache search'd kernel-source but there's only 2-4-27 but my current kernel is 2.6.10. what to do?
[07:32] <blake__> what will that do
[07:32] <blake__> it will hide it??/
[07:32] <blake__> how
[07:32] <topyli> yes
[07:32] <bob2> sjmurdoch: no, initrds are not the default on woody
[07:32] <resiak> jfk303: So make a group and add the appropriate people to that group. Also, why should music be executable?
[07:33] <topyli> blake__: ok, open your home folder in nautilus
[07:33] <SliderMan> how can i check what grafics card has started?
[07:33] <topyli> blake__: then select view -> hidden files and see how much hidden crap you have :)
[07:33] <Seveas> blake__, files and folders of which the name start with a '.' are considered hidden
[07:33] <justin> Kartagis: why do you think that you need to compile the nvidia drivers?
[07:33] <jfk303> resaik, it dosnt really matter - doing a fresh install soon
[07:34] <sjmurdoch> bob2: Isn't kernel-image built with a initrd  - I certainly have an initrd from the default kernel lying around?
[07:34] <selinium> Hi all , for some reason my cdrom drives have stopped working. here is the error message http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/257
[07:34] <resiak> jfk303: All the more reason to mess around now.
[07:34] <bob2> sjmurdoch: kernel-image, yes, but the default kernel is not from a kernel-image package
[07:35] <bob2> anyway, do whatever yo uwant
[07:35] <bob2> have fun
[07:35] <sjmurdoch> bob2: Thanks for your help
[07:36] <SliderMan> failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager: chiled terminated with 1 status WTF?
[07:36] <lilricky> got a question, this is my first time with Ubuntu, I've been weaned on Debian and Mandrake, when I installed Hoary, it didnt ask for a root password, I've tried ubuntu, root, null cant seem to find out what it is.  What is the default root password?
[07:36] <jfk303> resaik, theres loads of different owners / permissions all in there, its a real mess, I just want music now
[07:36] <selinium> lilricky: use sudo it's safer
[07:36] <resiak> jfk303: Meh, whatever :)
[07:37] <mindspin> jfl303 chmod -r * 777
[07:37] <mindspin> jfl303 chmod -R * 777
[07:37] <DeCaoS> I used uw , Now installed dovecot but my user mail no connect :( why
[07:37] <lilricky> ok, but when I run a program from the gui that requires root privileges it asks for it
[07:37] <mindspin> so everybody can enjoy
[07:37] <Kartagis> I have to install nvidia drivers. I apt-get'd nvidia-kernel-source. that required kernel-source. I apt-cache search'd kernel-source but there's only 2-4-27 but my current kernel is 2.6.10. what to do?
[07:38] <pedingto> lilricky: sudo passwd root
[07:38] <fivre> why is it that when I chmod the settings for /dev/dsp they disappear when I reboot?
[07:38] <blaylock> when i install a kernel update, why is it that uname still gives me the same kernel from the installation?
[07:38] <pedingto> then you can set the root password.
[07:38] <jbroome> blaylock: did you reboot?
[07:38] <lilricky> duh, thanks, forgot about that :)
[07:38] <pedingto> :)
[07:38] <blaylock> synaptic even says that the currently installed version is the updated one
[07:38] <blaylock> jbroome, yeah i rebooted
[07:38] <fivre> lilricky, when it asks for your pass in the GUI, it means your password
[07:38] <Kartagis> hello?
[07:38] <fivre> the one you use to sudo
[07:39] <blake__> that didn't work
[07:39] <narkceh> I cannot install mplayer in apt-get install because there isn't any? Should i do something with /etc/apt/sources.list?
[07:39] <blaylock> jbroome, but grub only has one kernel listed to choose from
[07:39] <blake__> it says it can't find the file
[07:39] <lilricky> no fivre its not accepting the user password, it wants the root one
[07:39] <Seveas> fivre, /dev/ is created on boot
[07:39] <pedingto> he hasn't set the root password yet fivre.
[07:39] <Alek> narkceh, yes
[07:40] <SliderMan> failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager: chiled terminated with 1 status WTF?
[07:40] <fivre> hmm
[07:40] <Seveas> SliderMan, what happens if you run sudo update-manager from the terminal?
[07:40] <SliderMan> i dont know :)
[07:40] <SliderMan> sec
[07:40] <fivre> is there anyway to set it to change permissions on startup?
[07:40] <Seveas> SliderMan, then try ;)
[07:40] <narkceh> Alek: any idea what should i do?
[07:40] <maruchan> in alsamixer it has things like sourround off and other crap is their a way to turn it on
[07:41] <Alek> narkceh, you open the file with gedit..., and changes the servers...
[07:41] <Seveas> fivre, why would you want to change it..?
[07:41] <Alek> narkceh, I can send you my file...
[07:41] <narkceh> Alek: sure
[07:41] <SliderMan> filed to run /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator: child terminated with 1 status
[07:41] <SliderMan> :-
[07:41] <fivre> because, every time I true to use xmms or rhythmboxm, it seems to require that file
[07:41] <SliderMan> :(
[07:42] <Seveas> SliderMan, a normal terminal, not the root terminal...
[07:42] <fivre> I guess I could just run it as sudo and go from there
[07:42] <SnowWrite> hi.. I just delivered a server to a local school district with Ubuntu, Zope and Plone installed.. it's a Dell Poweredge.. it keeps locking up..
[07:42] <SliderMan> moshe is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported. WTF?
[07:42] <rezzcobain> Can anyone help me with installing the drivers for my ATI card...im new to linux altogether
[07:43] <fivre|afk> moshe needs to be added to that file
[07:43] <Seveas> SliderMan, well, there ya go, add ypur user to the sudoers file...
[07:43] <SliderMan> how?
[07:43] <Seveas> rezzcobain: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:43] <fivre|afk> sudo visudo with an account that can
[07:43] <Seveas> indeed :)
[07:43] <justin> fivre|afk: don't touch /dev/dsp. add your user accounts to the audio group
[07:44] <mindspin> SnowWrite what do you mean with "locks up"
[07:44] <Alek> narkceh, you got it?
[07:44] <Alek> narkceh, just make a backup file first
[07:44] <SnowWrite> we have to reboot it..
[07:44] <SnowWrite> physically.
[07:44] <maruchan> so can anyone helpo me fix my sound, please
[07:44] <mindspin> you mean it "freezes"
[07:44] <SnowWrite> yes :-)
[07:45] <SnowWrite> it was fine for about a week.. now the technical guy at the district has to drive over to the data center to reboot it
[07:45] <murtun> hey all
[07:45] <Seveas> SliderMan, please *ask* before starting a private chat....
[07:45] <SliderMan> how?
[07:45] <SliderMan> i asked
[07:45] <Seveas> SnowWrite, do you get any info from the logs
[07:45] <murtun> Is Ubuntu ment to come with gcc un installed???
[07:45] <mindspin> have a look at the logs, maybe the harddisk is filled with sensless logfiles
[07:45] <Seveas> SliderMan, fivre|afk answered that...
[07:46] <Seveas> murtun, yes
[07:46] <ogge> how to take screenshot in xfce4?
[07:46] <murtun> Ahh
[07:46] <SliderMan> what?
[07:46] <Seveas> it is available on the CD and from the repositories
 sudo visudo with an account that can
[07:46] <murtun> seveas, what kind of binaries does ubuntu use>
[07:46] <Seveas> murtun, ELF of course...
[07:46] <murtun> what are the endings?
[07:46] <Seveas> endings..?
[07:47] <mindspin> .bgb
[07:47] <murtun> like u have..   .rpm   .tar
[07:47] <murtun> ahh
[07:47] <Seveas> murtun, ah, pachages
[07:47] <Seveas> .deb
[07:47] <mindspin> no its not .bgb
[07:47] <murtun> :)
[07:47] <mindspin> 't was ajoke
[07:47] <SliderMan> what can i do?
[07:47] <Seveas> ubuntu is a debian derivative, so it uses .deb
[07:47] <Seveas> SliderMan, READ WHAT FIVRE SAID!!
[07:47] <SliderMan> sudo visudo with an account that can
[07:47] <mindspin> trust seveas more than me
[07:47] <SliderMan> i dont have some accounts
[07:48] <SliderMan> only moshe
[07:48] <SliderMan> :(
[07:48] <fivre> hmm
[07:48] <SnowWrite> not yet Seveas.. I'm new to this.. I'll take a look at the logs.. thing is it's firewalled and they poked holes for me so I could work on the Plone interface.. and I don't have as much access now as I did when it was in my data center..
[07:48] <Seveas> SliderMan, then how come moshe got deleted..?
[07:48] <CarlFK> what is the resolution of a modified datetime on ext3 fs?
[07:48] <fivre> reboot and go to rescue mode
[07:48] <SliderMan> ?
[07:48] <CarlFK> or any FS other than fat
[07:48] <fivre> Seveas: he probably changed the name
[07:48] <mindspin> SnowWrite ssh access is kinda better
[07:48] <Seveas> SliderMan, moshe did not 'just get deleted' from the sudoers file
[07:48] <SliderMan> :L(
[07:48] <Seveas> you must have done that yourself, or taken yourself out of the admin group
[07:49] <fivre> did you rename it?
[07:49] <murtun> anyone recommend a site for Debian / ubuntu binary's?
[07:49] <Riddell> packages.ubuntu.com
[07:49] <Seveas> murtun, the Ubuntu packages can be installed with the package management system
[07:49] <SnowWrite> have that too.. :-) I just was wondering if there were any issues.. with ubuntu and dell already.. i'll go take a look at the wiki
[07:49] <murtun> nice oen
[07:49] <Seveas> murtun, system -> administration -> synaptic package manager
[07:49] <murtun> and what is that seveas
[07:49] <Seveas> ^-- that :)
[07:49] <murtun> Ahh cheers :)
[07:49] <fivre> SliderMan: In any case, reboot, and choose Ubuntu Rescue Mode, which will give you a root terminal
[07:50] <fivre> visudo from there
[07:50] <mindspin> SnowWrite: remember wether you enabled logging for some reasons anywhere, once I set mysql to log everything and got 250 M of logfiles within an hour
[07:50] <fivre> and edit the file
[07:50] <andersbr> I'm trying to back up my mom's Windows laptop onto my computer.  The transfer is going at about 1.5Mbit/sec,  which seems suspiciously slow.  Anyone have any ideas?
[07:51] <SliderMan> thanks i will try it :-
[07:51] <selinium> Hi all , for some reason my cdrom drives have stopped working. here is the error message http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/257 please help! :)
[07:51] <Seveas> selinium, please put a good cd rom in the drive :)
[07:51] <murphy> ok, sorry, I'm still having a big pain with this
[07:52] <murphy> does anyone know how to change disk permissions?
[07:52] <Seveas> murphy, chmod
[07:52] <murphy> ok, thanks
[07:52] <Seveas> murphy, what do you want exactly?
[07:52] <selinium> Seveas: cheers! it creates that error message when a music cd is put in. It works ok for data.
[07:52] <ranek> I had this problem this moring the day after installing a ron of Ubuntu stuff
[07:52] <Seveas> selinium, lol :) music cd's can't be mounted
[07:52] <SnowWrite> good point mindspin.. I think we set that up.. logging.. i know the server was setup to boot up squid, webmin, awstats, zope, cmf, plone.. etc.. but maybe the issue is with Squid.. just waiting for server to reboot so I can troubleshoot
[07:52] <murphy> I just want to be able to access a drive I have mounted.  I want to access the data outside of my root user
[07:53] <Seveas> murphy, is it a windows drive or something..?
[07:53] <Am1t^Z> hey guys
[07:53] <ranek> When I loged in it would get pass the username and pass word then it would show a brown screen with the mouse and nothing would happen
[07:53] <selinium> Seveas: When a music cd is put in I cannot acces it either? (Feeling a little sheepish! :P )
[07:53] <Am1t^Z> is thier any possible way to use an .exe file on ubuntu?
[07:53] <rade> bob2: sorry to bother you again, i'm trying to configure the driver now, before i compile it (i don't see another alternative), but i seem to be missing /include/asm/irq_vectors.h, i don't even have an asm directory in my kernel source, have you had this problem before?
[07:54] <Seveas> selinium, just playing with a music player doesn't work?
[07:54] <Seveas> Am1t^Z, you might have luck with wine...
[07:54] <Am1t^Z> can i get wine from package manager?
[07:54] <Seveas> yes
[07:54] <Am1t^Z> ok
[07:54] <murphy> it's a NTFS formatted data drive
[07:54] <Am1t^Z> im gonna go grab it
[07:54] <Seveas> murphy, did you put it in your /etc/fstab?
[07:54] <murphy> yes
[07:54] <GNULinuxer> murphy, sudo chmod 777 /path/to/your/partition
[07:55] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, that won't work for NTFS...
[07:55] <Seveas> murphy, remove it again from /etc/fstab
[07:55] <Seveas> murphy: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/windows_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[07:55] <GNULinuxer> Seveas, NTFS ? aah
[07:55] <murphy> chmod: changing permissions of `/otherdrive': Read-only file system
[07:55] <murtun> wow, ubuntu is the best :D
[07:55] <murphy> what does that mean?
[07:56] <fivre> hmmm...
[07:56] <ranek> Were can I get Frivers for my Geforce 4 MX 440 for ubuntu?
[07:56] <Am1t^Z> look on site
[07:56] <Am1t^Z> its thier
[07:56] <ranek> Drivers*
[07:56] <Alek> any one here who can perl?
[07:56] <Am1t^Z> www.ubuntulinux.org
[07:56] <Seveas> ranek: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:56] <ogge> anyone know how to take a screenshot / screendump in xfce4?
[07:56] <Seveas> Alek, #perl
[07:56] <fivre> can ubuntu dist-upgrade from an install cd?
[07:56] <selinium> Seveas: Arrghhh It works.... I have been wasting soooo much time trying to fix something that wasn't broke.. THankyou for showing me the light.
[07:56] <Alek> Seveas, ya
[07:56] <Seveas> fivre, yes
[07:56] <mindspin> Alek what do you wanna know?
[07:56] <fivre> thank god
[07:56] <murtun> Thanks for all your help guys + girls
[07:56] <murtun> :D
[07:56] <murtun> Adios
[07:56] <Seveas> Alek, i meant, try the channel #perl :)
[07:57] <Alek> mindspin, I need help with an bot
[07:57] <Alek> Seveas, ok
[07:57] <rade> does anyone know why i don#t have /include/asm/irq_vectors.h in my kernel source ?
[07:57] <rade> do i need to install another package?
[07:57] <mindspin> try #perl ;-)
[07:57] <Seveas> rade, what did you install?
[07:58] <selinium> Seveas: this all started when i put a data cd in the drive and tried to view the contents. DO i need to mount the cd before I can? Does ubuntu not mount a data cd automatically?
[07:58] <Hudud> do u know if there is a utility that clean the memory ?
[07:58] <moshe> how do i start ubunto in safe mode?
[07:58] <Seveas> selinium, it should automount...
[07:58] <Alek> mindspin, an msn bot who uses perl...
[07:58] <Seveas> moshe, there is no such thing....
[07:58] <moshe> ?
[07:58] <Seveas> moshe, there is however the 'recovery mode'
[07:58] <fivre> moshe: you mean rescue mode?
[07:58] <rade> seveas: well i installed the kernel source initially, which just put an archive containing the source into /usr/src (is that normal).. then i installed the headers for the kernel, but they're in seperate directories in /usr/src
[07:58] <moshe> yes
[07:58] <moshe> :-
[07:58] <mindspin> I have no clue on msn, neither about bots
[07:59] <fivre> it should be in the GRUB menu
[07:59] <moshe> how can i add my self to admin list?
[07:59] <fivre> right below regular ubuntu
[07:59] <moshe> :-
[07:59] <mindspin> I even don't know what msn is
[07:59] <Seveas> rade, did you unpack that tarball?
[08:00] <moshe> how can i add my self to admin list?
[08:00] <fivre> sudo visudo
[08:00] <moshe> but i cant i not admin :-
[08:00] <BockBilbo> hey there
[08:00] <ranek> Can one tell me what i need to do to set up Ubuntu? i really don't know what I am doing.
[08:00] <rade> seveas: yes, i did, but there isn't even an asm directory in include, just asm-*
[08:00] <ranek> anyone*
[08:00] <Seveas> fivre, lol, that will only work if he is admin already ;)
[08:00] <selinium> Seveas:  Any reason i can check why it isn't?
[08:00] <fivre> moshe: In recovery mode, use the visudo command
[08:00] <dbernar1> ranek be more specific
[08:00] <dbernar1> set up what.
[08:00] <murphy> root@linuxman:/home/murphy # sudo chmod 777 /otherdrive
[08:00] <murphy> chmod: changing permissions of `/otherdrive': Read-only file system
[08:00] <Seveas> selinium, check if D-BUS is running...
[08:00] <moshe> thanks!
[08:00] <mindspin> moshe have you tried sudo visudo?
[08:01] <murphy> what od I need to change?
[08:01] <fivre> that will bring you to the sudoers file
[08:01] <moshe> from here yes
[08:01] <moshe> ..
[08:01] <Seveas> murphy, do as I said: remove it from fstab and run that little script...
[08:01] <mindspin> not from recovery mode?
[08:01] <ranek> I dunno I am new to Ubuntu and I don't know how to do most of every thing
[08:01] <ranek> Like getting Drivers for my Graphics card
[08:01] <Am1t^Z> ok
[08:02] <Am1t^Z> i installed libwine
[08:02] <Seveas> ranek: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:02] <Am1t^Z> where would i find it?
[08:02] <Seveas> Am1t^Z, you need to install wine itself
[08:02] <Seveas> and read the manual on winehq.net
[08:02] <Seveas> (or .com)
[08:02] <murphy> wow, sorry I missed that
[08:02] <murphy> which script?
[08:02] <BockBilbo> ive got a wierd problem, i have an iriver mp3 of 40Gb storage with vfat format, which i mount as /dev/sda1, and it has like 6 gigas free, but it happens that when mounting it on linux it doesnt let me write anything cause it says that the disk is full. Ive checked what df -l says, and it says that the use is of 100% and that there is no free space, which isnt true, cause the mp3 itself tells me it has 6 gigas free, and i have also checked that in win and def
[08:02] <BockBilbo> enitively it isnt full.
[08:02] <Seveas> murphy: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/windows_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[08:02] <murphy> wait
[08:02] <murphy> got it
[08:02] <BockBilbo> what might be happening?
[08:03] <rade> seveas: any ideas on what my problem is?
[08:03] <mindspin> is vfat able to handle that amount of space?
[08:03] <fivre> Is it possible to change which partition Ubuntu is on without losing all settings and whatnot?
[08:03] <murphy> thanks
[08:04] <Seveas> rade, not really...
[08:04] <BockBilbo> mindspin, yes
[08:04] <Seveas> mindspin, it should be :)
[08:04] <SliderMan> moshe@SerVer:~$ sudo visudo moshe
[08:04] <SliderMan> Password:
[08:04] <SliderMan> moshe is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[08:04] <SliderMan> moshe@SerVer:~$
[08:04] <Seveas> fivre, yes, but not too easy
[08:04] <SliderMan> baa
[08:04] <SliderMan> im in recovery mode
[08:04] <SliderMan> :-
[08:04] <Seveas> SliderMan, you should be root in recovery mode
[08:04] <fivre> are you sure?
[08:04] <selinium> Seveas: it appears to be running.
[08:04] <Seveas> you should have hit enter insteald of <ctrl>something...
[08:05] <SliderMan> its asked my user and password
[08:05] <SliderMan> yes
[08:05] <SliderMan> crtl _d
[08:05] <fivre> in GRUB?
[08:05] <SliderMan> +d
[08:05] <SliderMan> yes its ask my user and pass
[08:05] <SliderMan> :-
[08:05] <Seveas> selinium, maybe you disabled it in system -> prefs -> removable media
[08:05] <murphy> silly question, how do I run a script?
[08:05] <jmjones> anyone know if the marillat stuff is down?  I can't get to transcode.....
[08:05] <Seveas> fivre, you might need to reinstall grub
[08:05] <Seveas> and you will need to change its config
[08:05] <fivre> SliderMan: what option are you choosing in GRUB?
[08:06] <BockBilbo> Seveas... dont want to bother you, but any idea of why is this happening?
[08:06] <jmjones> murphy: `chmod +x <scriptname>; ./<scriptname>`
[08:06] <fivre> hmm, well, that's a lot easier than Windows
[08:06] <fivre> at least it's possible
[08:06] <Seveas> BockBilbo, well, it happened to me once after an unclean unmount
[08:06] <Seveas> BockBilbo, try chkdisk on windows
[08:06] <Seveas> murphy, sudo bash windows_fstab
[08:07] <BockBilbo> but, Seveas chkdisk wont format it
[08:07] <BockBilbo> right?
[08:07] <Seveas> no
[08:07] <BockBilbo> oks
[08:07] <BockBilbo> gonna try it
[08:07] <rade> has anyone ever had a problem with a missing irq_vectors.h file in /include/asm under the kernel source directory?
[08:07] <SliderMan> i press ESC and menu apeers with 3 options i choose 2 (recivery) its told me to press crtl+d to continue i preesed its start and ask my user and password :-
[08:07] <biffurt> hey all - I had a question about totem/video playback. Is there any way to optimize playback? It's pretty choppy on my machine.
[08:07] <biffurt> Vague question, I know
[08:08] <biffurt> but I'm pretty new to linux. No idea where to start.
[08:08] <Seveas> SliderMan, it also sait: press enter to login as root
[08:08] <Seveas> SliderMan, you should have done that...
[08:08] <SliderMan> enter
[08:08] <SliderMan> no user?
[08:08] <Am1t^Z> wow
[08:08] <Am1t^Z> those directions on wine make no sense
[08:08] <Seveas> rade, install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[08:08] <SliderMan> baa
[08:08] <SliderMan> :-
[08:08] <Seveas> it's in the headers package
[08:08] <Alek> any one who know what this error is: ??? #2002 - Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[08:08] <Alek> #2002 - Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[08:09] <ranek> Is there a way to get in to the terminal with out having to be logged in? cause alst time i set the Nvidia drivers it wouldnt let me log in.
[08:09] <murphy> WOW!!!!!
[08:09] <Seveas> Alek, install mysql-server...
[08:09] <murphy> Seveas! Thanks you so much!!!!
[08:09] <murphy> You are amazing!!!!!!!
[08:09] <timtux> Hi, ive got a problem. My installation of ubuntu freez when i comming to "configurating apt". What can the problem be?
[08:09] <gm78> ranek, CTRL+ALT+F2
[08:09] <Seveas> ranek, ALT-F& to return to the GUI
[08:09] <Seveas> F7
[08:10] <Am1t^Z> does anyone wanna step me through installation of wine p[lease
[08:10] <timtux> Read reame
[08:10] <timtux> readme*
[08:10] <Alek> seveas, have done it
[08:10] <Seveas> Am1t^Z, wine is not that easy, please read the documentation...
[08:10] <gm78> Hey all. What does everyone think of this workstation from Sun. I am thinking of getting it and putting Ubuntu AMD64 on it.  http://www.sun.com/desktop/workstation/ultra20/index.jsp  (I'll probably buy the cheaper configuration)
[08:10] <Am1t^Z> i did
[08:10] <BockBilbo> Seveas, fuck windows... do you remember where is chkdisk located at?
[08:10] <BockBilbo> system32?
[08:10] <Alek> seveas, but installed phpmyadmin after...
[08:10] <Am1t^Z> and its confusing
[08:11] <timtux> Hi, ive got a problem. My installation of ubuntu freez when i comming to "configuring apt...". What can the problem be? It have show 25% for about a half hour now.
[08:11] <Seveas> BockBilbo, ENOCLUE :)
[08:11] <BockBilbo> nevermind
[08:11] <BockBilbo> found it
[08:11] <Seveas> rightclick on the drive from explorer did the trick for me...
[08:11] <SliderMan> when i try to login to root with my password its tolde to me that i cant login from this screen :-
[08:11] <gm78> timtux, mine took a while too....not quite that long but still awhile...i was ready to restart and it started working again
[08:11] <SliderMan> :-
[08:11] <gm78> SliderMan, u configured the root password or are you just trying your password from sudo?
[08:12] <Seveas> timtux, what kind of network connection does that machine have..?
[08:12] <timtux> gm78, okej ;)
[08:12] <selinium> Seveas: I have just placed a data disc in to cdrom0, it does not show up in /dev/cdrom0. After manually sudo mounting it the files are shown. Have I lost the rights to access the drives?
[08:12] <SliderMan> root have my password
[08:12] <SliderMan> :-
[08:12] <timtux> 10/10mbit
[08:12] <SliderMan> i tryed null and my pass
[08:12] <Seveas> selinium, hmm, are you running breezy or kernel 2.12 perhaps?
[08:12] <gm78> SliderMan, so u used sudo passwd root from your account at some point?
[08:12] <topyli> gm78: doesn't the workstation come with a perfectly good solaris installation? ;)
[08:12] <timtux> Seveas: 10/10 (100/100 in some networks)
[08:12] <dr_willis> loging directly in as root is disabled SliderMan
[08:12] <SliderMan> its the same pass
[08:13] <Seveas> timtux, so it's wired?
[08:13] <Seveas> SliderMan, did you set a root password?
[08:13] <rade> seveas: thanks a lot! i did install the headers before, but 686, because i have a p4, but uname -r told me i needed 386 and now it works!
[08:13] <andersbr> gm78:  Nice computer.  I'll take three.
[08:13] <selinium> Seveas: No i am running hoary 5.04 I believe. I switched a little while ago to the K7 version.
[08:13] <gm78> topyli, already tried solaris...nice OS but I don't see the point in learning ANOTHER whole new OS when Linux is secure and serves my needs well
[08:13] <SliderMan> mm i dont know how but its have my password
[08:13] <timtux> Seveas, it dosent go up to 100%, have stand at 25% for a half hour now.
[08:13] <Seveas> hmm, odd, did you try restarting selinium ?
[08:13] <topyli> gm78: yep
[08:14] <timtux> Somone from sweden? ;D
[08:14] <Seveas> timtux, I meant "the network connection is wired, right"?
[08:14] <LokeDK> Is there some way to bind "import -window root something.jpg" to the Print scrn button? would be nice to take screenshots while gaming.. without gnome's popup window thingie
[08:14] <gm78> topyli, I'm debating between getting it and throwing Ubuntu on it or CentOS. I heard that yum/rpm systems have better support for multi-arch libs than Debian....is this the same with Ubuntu?
[08:14] <selinium> Seveas: I have yes... It is a bit strange! I have cdrom in my groups! It is not too much of a problem now I know i can still listen to music and get files, but it is just a bit of a pain having to manually mount things... :)
[08:14] <Seveas> LokeDK, sure. Remove it as shortcut for the gnome printscreen, make a custom command and bind prt scr to it
[08:14] <timtux> Seveas, no the network connection is just fine...
[08:15] <topyli> gm78: nothing supports more than debian
[08:15] <biffurt> hey all - I had a question about totem/video playback. Is there any way to optimize or speed up playback? Better programs to use then totem? is xine faster?
[08:15] <Seveas> selinium, plugdev should be there too iirc
[08:15] <Seveas> (in your groups)
[08:15] <andersbr> Question:  Still getting under 2Mb/s transferring files on the local network.  Any ideas on how to look for the bottleneck?
[08:15] <Seveas> gm78, yum/rpm SUCKS compared to apt/deb
[08:15] <topyli> gm78: but perhaps i don't get what you mean with multi-arch libs here
[08:15] <LokeDK> Seveas, how do i bind a command to it?
[08:15] <selinium> Seveas: GOt plugdec as well.   iirc?
[08:16] <timtux> ubuntu is harder then Gentoo to install ;->
[08:16] <Seveas> LokeDK, check the apps/metacity section in gconf-editor
[08:16] <gm78> topyli, no...what i mean is that i heard apt doesn't support say having imlib2-i386 and imlib2-amd64 installed on the same system.....also, ignoring solaris, what do u think of the system overall (the cheaper $875 configuration)
[08:16] <SliderMan> seveas, mm i dont know how but its have my password
[08:16] <LokeDK> Seveas, thx
[08:16] <Seveas> SliderMan, then simply login as root on a different virtual terminal (switch with <ctrl><alt><F3>
[08:16] <SliderMan> ohh fuck the world:-
[08:17] <selinium> SliderMan: watch the potty mouth :)
[08:17] <rade> seveas, i have another question, i now have the problem "X Windows include files missing", but i can't find xorg-dev or something in synaptic, is there another repository i should use or are the headers in some other package?
[08:17] <topyli> gm78: don't know about such library situations
[08:17] <Seveas> xlibs-dev will help
[08:17] <ompaul> random thought, should a user who is having printing problems be able to click on the System ->  Administrating -> Printing and along with being offered the chance to configure printers (after all could be a new one) be offered a system print one page one line test - if test fails and there is a previous known good value that could be offered, with a last option if there is a usb subsystem being used for the printing it could be 'reboot
[08:17] <ompaul> ed'
[08:18] <Alek> how to change mysql password?
[08:18] <Seveas> ompaul, it's not really clear what you mean...
[08:18] <SliderMan> seveas, what i need to wite to add me?
[08:18] <Seveas> Alek, you can do that with phpmyadmin (you had that installed right?)
[08:18] <selinium> Seveas: Thank for all your help. I will be rebuilding the pc soon anyway, I am sure the problems will disappear after a fresh install. Thanks again. :)
[08:18] <Alek> seveas, yes
[08:19] <Alek> seveas, but i cant log in
[08:19] <Seveas> SliderMan, your_login ALL=(ALL) ALL
[08:19] <rade> seveas: thanks again!
[08:19] <SliderMan> seveas, all?
[08:19] <Seveas> Alek, the default mysql login is root without password
[08:19] <Seveas> SliderMan, yes, you need to add only that...
[08:20] <SliderMan> seveas, i loged on to root what next?
[08:20] <timtux> How long "config. apt..." take?
[08:20] <Alek> seveas, i have tryed
[08:20] <Seveas> SliderMan, sudo visodo
[08:20] <Seveas> SliderMan, go to the last line
[08:20] <Alek> seveas, and got an error
[08:20] <Seveas> SliderMan, then hit o
[08:20] <Seveas> and add that line of text
[08:20] <Seveas> then hit ESC
[08:20] <Seveas> and type :wq
[08:21] <Seveas> Alek, 'the unable to connect' means that either mysql-server is not installed or that the server isn't running...
[08:21] <Alek> seveas, ok
[08:21] <ompaul> Seveas, using that system,admin,printing menu option, would users benefit from the following options (A) configure printing (B) being able to try to print test page (C) use last know good value settings for printer {in case something had fallen over} (D) if for the users printer their machine used the USB system be in a position to kill it off and restart it?
[08:21] <Alek> seveas, shall i try to reinstall?
[08:22] <ompaul> s/know/known
[08:22] <Am1t^Z> yo
[08:22] <Seveas> Alek, try to start it ...
[08:22] <Am1t^Z> where would i find wine after i installed it?
[08:22] <Seveas> invoke-rc.d mysql start
[08:22] <Seveas> Am1t^Z, dpkg -L wine
[08:22] <Alek> ok
[08:22] <AndrWs> hi , i have a problem with my sound.. I have found a suggestion of how to fix it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#howtoad but i can`t understand  where i shall put this command or whatever it is . The command " To do this, edit /etc/esound/esd.conf" and change the line that begins with spawn_options to begin with default_options. Finally, change the -as 5 to -as 2.
[08:22] <AndrWs>  Where shall i write the edit /etc/esound/esd.conf ?
[08:22] <Panzerboy> hello everybody
[08:23] <gm78> Is there anyone here using Ubuntu AMD64?
[08:23] <Am1t^Z> wtf
[08:23] <Seveas> AndrWs, in the terminal you type: sudo gedit /etc/esound/esd.conf
[08:23] <Am1t^Z> seveas it just loaded a whole bunch of crap
[08:23] <Am1t^Z> then went back to cmd promt
[08:23] <Alek> seveas, got an error there too...
[08:23] <SliderMan> seveas, thanks working!
[08:23] <mjr> gm78, yes
[08:23] <Seveas> Am1t^Z, well, you asked for where it was installed
[08:23] <Am1t^Z> how do i use an .exe app with it?
[08:23] <Seveas> Am1t^Z, and it's installed on the paths shown...
[08:24] <Seveas> Am1t^Z, wine filename.exex
[08:24] <SliderMan> seveas, can you tell me how to cheke if my grafics card installed?
[08:24] <Seveas> SliderMan, glxinfo | grep -i rendering
[08:25] <Am1t^Z> seveas , its says it cant ifnd the program, its on the desktop right now, where do i put it to load?
[08:25] <Alek> invoke-rc.d mysql start = command not found
[08:25] <gm78> mjr, im not sure if u noticed my question above. Does apt currently support multi-arch libraries being installed on the same computer. (For instance, installing both gtk2-i386 and gtk2-amd64 on the same computer)? Or do you have to set up a chroot 32 bit environment?
[08:25] <Seveas> Am1t^Z, wine ~/Desktop/filename.exe
[08:25] <mjr> gm78, no, you'd have to go chroot
[08:25] <mjr> (That's what I do, with dchroot it's not too bad)
[08:25] <Nikopol>  /etc/init.d/mysql start
[08:26] <Seveas> Alek, try with sudo invoke-rc.d mysql start
[08:26] <SliderMan> seveas, pci devices?
[08:26] <Alek> seveas, ah
[08:26] <lynx> Seveas, i've installed xorg-driver-fglrx package with apt-get, it wasn't suposed to work?
[08:26] <lynx> my ati radeon
[08:26] <Seveas> lynx, unfortunately you need to do even more
[08:26] <Seveas> lynx: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:26] <lynx> can u help me?
[08:27] <lynx> okay
[08:27] <Am1t^Z> wtf
[08:27] <Nikopol> Alek: does sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start do anything for you?
[08:27] <Am1t^Z> it says error inomprt modulke Mfc42.dll is needed
[08:27] <Am1t^Z> and 2 more likke that
[08:28] <Seveas> Am1t^Z, then you're out of luck...
[08:28] <xliu> is wine a commercial software?
[08:28] <Seveas> xliu, no
[08:28] <Am1t^Z> cant i get those dlls?
[08:28] <Alek> seveas, invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/mysql not found.
[08:28] <Seveas> Alek, then you did NOT install mysql-server....
[08:28] <mjr> xliu, no, but there are commercial derivatives (crossover office, cedega)
[08:28] <SliderMan> :-
[08:28] <SliderMan> :-
[08:28] <mjr> xliu, wine itself is free as in speech and beer
[08:28] <xliu> ok, thanks mjr
[08:28] <Alek> Nikopol, command not fount
[08:29] <abeliko> hi
[08:29] <fivre> beer is free?
[08:29] <Alek> nikopol, found*
[08:29] <abeliko> how i can delete modules??
[08:29] <mjr> fivre, yep, just ask your neighbourhood bar
[08:29] <ompaul> fivre, yes, get one receipe and run make on it
[08:29] <Seveas> Alek, sudo aptitude install mysql-server, it is NOT installed yet if the initscript is missing...
[08:30] <abeliko> hi
[08:30] <elio_> ubuntu-it
[08:30] <abeliko> anyone knows how to remove installed modules?
[08:30] <Alek> seveas, tanks
[08:30] <rade> ok, i have another missing file, hub.h, does anyone have any ideas?
[08:31] <|Kabuto|> abeliko: rmmod modulename
[08:31] <Alek> seveas, but i installed it in syntapic for a time ago...
[08:31] <elio_> #ubuntu-it
[08:31] <fivre> Is there a way to make BitchX not autologon with my linux usrname?
[08:31] <ompaul> elio_,  /join #ubuntu-it :)
[08:32] <BoD_SWAT> Does anyone have 'usefull' programs to 'pimp' my desktop?
[08:32] <|Kabuto|> guys, nvidia-kernel-source requires that I have kernel 2.6.10 kernel-source but repositories have 2.4.27 only. any ideas how I apt-get it?
[08:33] <Toba> is there a "master list" of all the programs that are installed on ubuntu?
[08:33] <ompaul> BoD_SWAT, what do you like to do? audio surf mail or something else?
[08:33] <Toba> BoD_SWAT, 'pimp' and 'useful' do not belong in the same sentence
[08:33] <ogge> is there any command to view data transferred via networkcard, some kind of "networkinfo" in ubuntu hoary.
[08:33] <Alek> BYE
[08:34] <BoD_SWAT> ogge, ifconfig
[08:34] <Seveas> BoD_SWAT, gdesklets?
[08:34] <topyli> ogge iptraf is nice
[08:34] <BoD_SWAT> |Kabuto|, Just add the right depository
[08:34] <ogge> iptraf doesnt work.
[08:35] <topyli> really? hmm
[08:35] <BoD_SWAT> Okay, let me refraise that sentence. I want my desktop to look real spiffy. Like Samurize (win32), maybe and integrated terminal on the background etc. ?
[08:35] <ogge> yup. strange. ifconfig does work.
[08:35] <|Kabuto|> BoD_SWAT: how do I know what the 'right depository' is?
[08:35] <fivre> hmm
[08:35] <|Kabuto|> ogge: /sbin/ifconfig
[08:35] <topyli> |Kabuto|: linux-source-2.6.10 is there
[08:36] <ompaul> ogge, I use a little applet called 'network monitor'
[08:36] <fivre> removing the Evolution Suite says it will remove "ubuntu desktop"
[08:36] <fivre> is ubuntu desktop important?
[08:36] <ompaul> fivre, well it is your desktop
[08:36] <ogge> ok thanx guys.
[08:36] <topyli> fivre: not really
[08:36] <BoD_SWAT> |Kabuto|, have a look here http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[08:37] <BoD_SWAT> |Kabuto|, and check if you have the newest kernel (uname -a)
[08:37] <topyli> BoD_SWAT: linux-source-2.6.10 must be in main. what's with the repositories?
[08:38] <AndrWs> is it possible to install and play warcraft 3 in linux?
[08:38] <resiak> Google for Cedega
[08:39] <BoD_SWAT> topyli, I guess if he 'only' has the 2.4.27 repos, that he doesn't have the right ones. Prove me wrong?
[08:39] <topyli> BoD_SWAT: surely he's got main
[08:39] <fivre> is anyone else having trouble connecting to the forums?
[08:40] <|Kabuto|> guys, all this time I've been doing kernel-source
[08:40] <hondje> if this kernel upgrade only affects amd64, why am I being bothered to upgrade my kernel on x86?
[08:40] <|Kabuto|> shame on me
[08:40] <SpecialBuddy> what plugin do I need in order to play wmv on firefox?
[08:40] <topyli> |Kabuto|: debian style :)
[08:40] <|Kabuto|> topyli: ?
[08:40] <AndrWs> is it a command to see your hardware ..and drivers installed?
[08:41] <|Kabuto|> AndrWs: lspci lsusb lsmod
[08:41] <topyli> |Kabuto|: that's how debian names the source. ubuntu uses linux-source
[08:41] <|Kabuto|> or hwinfo
[08:41] <murphy> ok, question, How do I know if Ubuntu is using my Nvidia Geforce4 mx440?
[08:41] <|Kabuto|> topyli: oh, I didn't know that
[08:41] <unome> are the forums down?
[08:41] <|Kabuto|> but why do ubuntu deps have it?
[08:41] <thenuke> murphy: well, if you can see something else than black screen?
[08:42] <murphy> ok thanks
[08:42] <jmjones> unome: i can't get to them, either....
[08:42] <ompaul> unome,  UbuntuForums is 37.56% closer to reaching its goal of prepaying for our servers/bandwidth.
[08:43] <topyli> |Kabuto|: probably so that people don't install debian kernels from universe by mistake :)
[08:43] <ompaul> unome, some upstream is not doing the right thing for you
[08:44] <unome> ompaul: the forums help me learn tons of stuff everyday, and I'll be glad to donate to support the community.
[08:44] <goodi> is the experimental ntfs write kernel driver compiled as module with 5.4?
[08:46] <brade> hello all
[08:46] <IceDC571> wow.. a new kernel is out in the repos, but the version number is the same... only different revision
[08:46] <unome> ompaul: the Ubntu thong is nice too ;-)
[08:47] <brade> yeah i updated this morning and noticed that.
[08:47] <gm78> mjr, sorry left the room for a few minutes....is the chroot hard to set up??? Or does it come already set up for things like OpenOffice?
[08:47] <IceDC571> but if i update, wont my ati drivers screw up and i would have to reconfigure them again?
[08:47] <ompaul> unome, there are some things that no one should ever see and a 19stone man in a thong is one of them (unless shudder)
[08:48] <unome> lol
[08:48] <goodi> is there a buildin cdburn software with the ubuntu std installation?
[08:48] <Tomcat_> goodi: Yes.
[08:48] <IceDC571> goodi: nautilus
[08:48] <dr_willis> yes goodi
[08:48] <goodi> thanks
[08:48] <Tomcat_> goodi: There is a "CD Creator" Thing in Nautilus.
[08:48] <goodi> (no ubuntu here, but a friend got a problem with it) i love this kind of helping
[08:48] <Tomcat_> And you can right-click ISO files.
[08:48] <goodi> it's oki:)
[08:48] <brade> is there any p2p software in the repos that anyone can recommend?
[08:49] <lynx> anyone here uses breezy?
[08:49] <Tomcat_> brade: aMule
[08:49] <dr_willis> brade,  theres a p2p wiki section that details most all of them
[08:49] <gm78> brade : gtk-gnutella, or if u dont mind installing software manually you could install limewire
[08:49] <Tomcat_> brade: Is almost as good as eMule, but lacks the serverless network Kademlia.
[08:49] <SliderMan> how do i run sh file?
[08:50] <metzen> sh file.sh
[08:50] <AndrWs> hmm firefox cant  connect to any pages know.. and I`m almost 100 % sure that im connected to the internet
[08:50] <metzen> or just ./file.sh
[08:50] <goodi> what was the name of the experimental ntfs (write) module? anyone knows that?
[08:50] <gm78> AndrWs, trying pinging google
[08:50] <gm78> AndrWs, *try pinging google i mean
[08:50] <Toba> AndrWs, that should not be an almost
[08:50] <Toba> you're obviously online as you are talking to us
[08:50] <andersbr> AndrWs:  Sounds like a DNS problem.
[08:50] <abeliko> hi
[08:51] <Toba> whether or not dns is up, that's a differnet matter
[08:51] <abeliko> how can i remove a directori from console??
[08:51] <brade> thanks.  this linux thing is so much fun...oh yeah, reason i ask is that the dvd drive in the computer is super old and very slow.  i tried ripping a cd yesterday and it took nearly 40 minutes so i would much rather download my cd's :)
[08:51] <metzen> abeliko: rm -R directoryName
[08:52] <AndrWs> how do i ping google ...sry im a real newbi in ubuintu and linux...ping www.google.com ?
[08:52] <steved> AndrWs: yep that will do it
[08:52] <_simple> type ping
[08:52] <_simple> and ping alone
[08:53] <s_ander> ls
[08:53] <s_ander> damn
[08:53] <s_ander> sorry :)
[08:53] <Davey|Work> Whats the command to reconfigure xorg interactively?
[08:53] <cast> quick question - i take it aptitude is perferable over apt-get in ubuntu to?
[08:54] <dr_willis> aptitude is just a front end to apt-get  isent it?
[08:55] <AndrWs> well i think i get connection  64 packets transmitted, 64 received, 0% packet loss, time 63062ms
[08:55] <cast> well, no, not just a. it provides a few features apt-get doesnt that are significant
[08:55] <ubuntu_demon> hi
[08:55] <dr_willis> how does it compare to synaptic then?
[08:55] <cast> i dont know, is synaptic a drop in replacement for apt-get?
[08:56] <dr_willis> synaptic is the X front end. :P
[08:56] <ompaul> dr_willis, it is a terminal based app as opposed to a gui
[08:56] <cast> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11344.html [Nine reasons why you should be using aptitude instead of apt-get or dselect.] 
[08:56] <cast> then ill take that as a i no
[08:56] <justin> synaptic doesn't do the nicer dependency tracking and logging that aptitude does
[08:56] <AndrWs> hmm know it works
[08:57] <cast> different question now, is aptitude in the default install?
[08:57] <dr_willis> Hmm.. makes one wonder  why synaptic and aptitude dont do the exact same tracking.
[08:57] <IceDC571> cast: yes
[08:58] <lynx> i prefer synaptic
[08:58] <zenlunatic> so gnome has built in bittorrent?
[08:58] <nalioth> zenlunatic: if you call it that
[08:59] <nalioth> zenlunatic: i prefer to use btdownloadcurses.py from a "gnu screen" session
[08:59] <cast> well, synaptic and aptitude and 2 fairly different things
[08:59] <cast> least in my mind. wouldnt dream of using synaptic on my server
[08:59] <cast> and=are :\
[08:59] <cast> its 430am and i just woke up
[09:00] <IceDC571> talk about timezone difference
[09:00] <IceDC571> is everyone using am and pm now?
[09:00] <IceDC571> i thought most other people are using 24 hour time
[09:00] <nalioth> IceDC571: i prefer military time (don't know how its called outside the US)
[09:00] <cast> what do you mean? in everyday life we use am/pm
[09:01] <nalioth> cast: using 24 hour time, one o'clock in the afternoon is 1300 hours
[09:01] <metzen> abeliko: rm -R directoryName
[09:02] <cast> is 24 hour time always 4 digits?
[09:02] <IceDC571> no
[09:02] <IceDC571> well
[09:02] <dr_willis> 00:00
[09:02] <SliderMan> ML Parsing Error: syntax error
[09:02] <SliderMan> Location: jar:resource:///chrome/toolkit.jar!/content/global/config.xul
[09:02] <SliderMan> Line Number 1, Column 1:Mode != FIND_NORMAL) closeFindBar(); }, gQuickFindTimeoutLength);
[09:02] <SliderMan> ^ WTF?
[09:02] <IceDC571> yes if you want to view the minutes
[09:03] <IceDC571> SliderMan: please paste in an appropriate place
[09:03] <lynx> here its 16:03
[09:03] <SliderMan> what?
[09:03] <SliderMan> to paste where?
[09:03] <IceDC571> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:04] <apollo2011> How do you execute a .sh file?
[09:04] <lynx> hm
[09:04] <IceDC571> apollo2011: sh filename.sh
[09:04] <pipatron> Hm, I want to use my ubuntu machine to compile and make a kernel for a debian sarge machine.. Can I just take the debian kernel source package and then proceed as usual?
[09:04] <Davey|Work> anyone have an S3 (Unichrome?) onboard video card working in Ubuntu?
[09:05] <gorm> hi ! i would like esd not to start when i boot, because i have to kill it manually each time, to have the sound working
[09:05] <Heimdall> hellooo rooom
[09:05] <lynx> hi
[09:05] <gorm> what should i modify ?
[09:05] <MorphDK> Hey.. Anybody got NetworkManager to work in Ubuntu?
[09:05] <pipatron> gorm: If I recall correctly there is a chapter about that on www.ubuntuguide.com
[09:05] <pipatron> gorm: or .org or .net or whatever :)
[09:06] <IceDC571> pipatron is correct, theres a howto on getting your sound to work right
[09:06] <IceDC571> and it has information on killing esd too
[09:06] <biffurt> quick question: how do I determine what version of XFree86 is on here? I'm running Hoary, if that tells you anything.
[09:06] <SliderMan> IceDC571, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/261
[09:06] <Spug> why don't people know military time? it's like, used in every country but usa or something
[09:06] <murphy> ok, how do I stop X?
[09:06] <IceDC571> Spug: thats what i thought
[09:07] <murphy> I mean, exit the X server?
[09:07] <gorm> ok i'll check it ! thanks !
[09:07] <nalioth> Spug: i'm in Texas and i use military time
[09:07] <jgoguen> Spug: more like north america, hardly anyone in Canada has a clue what it is -_-
[09:07] <jgoguen> murphy: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:08] <doonz> huh
[09:08] <IceDC571> SliderMan: do you have java installed?
[09:08] <|Kabuto|> how do I tell nvidia-kernel-source make where my kernel source is? the README doesn't say anything useful
[09:08] <murphy> thanks
[09:08] <doonz> jgoguen speak for yourself
[09:08] <rade> helpers: ok, i finally got my Atmel chipset based usb wlan adapter working, thanks to http://at76c503a.berlios.de/  ... i just wanted to let you know in case you ever need to help anyone out in the future with a similar problem... bob2 and Seveas, thank you very much, bye
[09:08] <som1> for some reason, when i insert the cd to its place (yeah, in the drive) and it doesnt try to install. i know its a bios problem (crashfree 2.0) but i wondered if any of you know a solution to it (other than updating bios)
[09:08] <Spug> nalioth: okay, then even fewer use am/pm
[09:08] <Heimdall> what's not correct in : if [$i == 0.2] 
[09:08] <jgoguen> doonz: I use military time personally, it's easier for me to understand
[09:09] <ompaul> Spug, well how about is it now 20:08 according to ntp
[09:09] <biffurt> anyone? how can I find out what version of X is running?
[09:09] <MorphDK> Spug, military time - do you mean committee?
[09:09] <Spug> i mean 24-hour format
[09:09] <jgoguen> biffurt: X -version
[09:09] <pipatron> 8PM -> 20:00
[09:09] <SliderMan> IceDC571, no i havent java
[09:09] <biffurt> thanks
[09:09] <MorphDK> :S
[09:09] <jgoguen> np
[09:10] <IceDC571> SliderMan: try to install java, it might fix the problem
[09:10] <|Kabuto|> guys, how do I tell nvidia-kernel-source make where my kernel source is? the README doesn't say anything useful
[09:10] <MorphDK> Spug, heh, in Denmark we use 24h time all the time :D
[09:10] <som1> |kabuto| use the ubuntu packages
[09:10] <Spug> MorphDK: in norway too ;)
[09:10] <pipatron> That's just not true :P
[09:10] <^rob^> Any suggestions on a web frontend for gstreamer which will let me search my media, downsample it on the fly, and serve it out so I can listen to stuff thats at encode rates that are too high to squeeze across my cable connection?
[09:10] <Rockett17> for most times in UK too :)
[09:10] <som1> whats military about 24h?
[09:10] <Spug> it's used in the us military
[09:10] <|Kabuto|> som1: I apt-get'd the nvidia-kernel-source
[09:10] <SliderMan> :)
[09:10] <c_rodge> how can i watch dvds in ubuntu 4.10
[09:10] <|Kabuto|> it's not tarball
[09:11] <som1> |kabuto| get the nvidia-gkx too
[09:11] <som1> glx*
[09:11] <c_rodge> dvds in ubuntu 4.10
[09:11] <ompaul> som1, military time is really 0100 for 1:00 as we humans call it
[09:11] <SliderMan> IceDC571, rpm or linux?
[09:11] <Rockett17> it's a north american thing (im british and in canada) and had never heard 24hr time referred to as military.. i didnt even know what someone was talking about when they first said it to me
[09:11] <nalioth> som1: it keeps dumb soldiers from showing up to dinner at 5 in the morning
[09:11] <c_rodge> how can i watch dvds in ubuntu 4.10
[09:11] <|Kabuto|> som1: is that a tool to automate things?
[09:11] <pipatron> c_rodge: Eh
[09:11] <pipatron> c_rodge: Stop repeating
[09:11] <som1> |kabuto| well, you still have to edit the X config and modules
[09:11] <pipatron> c_rodge: No one will help you if you annoy them.
[09:11] <ompaul> som1, and 2000 is 20:00 for military
[09:11] <c_rodge> well i wouldnt repeat if someone could helpo me
[09:12] <|Kabuto|> som1: I edited the xorg.conf
[09:12] <som1> oh, so thats why they say our sports teacher is thinks shes still in the army.
[09:12] <jgoguen> c_rodge: do you have libdvdcss installed
[09:12] <IceDC571> SliderMan: sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[09:12] <som1> |kabuto| sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[09:12] <zenlunatic> whats a name of the gnome bittorrent client built in?
[09:12] <c_rodge> im pretty sure i do
[09:12] <nalioth> c_rodge: if anyone knows the answer to your ??, they will speak up
[09:12] <som1> |kabuto| and edit /etc/modules
[09:12] <pipatron> c_rodge: So? If no one can help you the first time no one will help you the second time
[09:12] <som1> |kabuto| its on the nvidia readme too
[09:12] <nalioth> c_rodge: if not, give your question a few minutes 'tween askings
[09:12] <MorphDK> c_rodge, http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#dvdplayback
[09:12] <nalioth> zenlunatic: gnome-bittorrent
[09:12] <som1> for some reason, when i insert the cd to its place (yeah, in the drive) it doesnt try to install. i know its a bios problem (crashfree 2.0) but i wondered if any of you know a solution to it (other than updating bios)
[09:12] <jgoguen> c_rodge: what's your media player, Totem and MPlayer should work fine then
[09:13] <Sodki> hello! anyone from london wants to give me some vacation advice?
[09:13] <c_rodge> its totem
[09:13] <ompaul> Sodki, go to Dublin :)
[09:13] <c_rodge> yeah i have installed that
[09:13] <SliderMan> IceDC571, E: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5
[09:14] <ompaul> Sodki, get a lonely planet guide book and you will get a feel for the place
[09:14] <nalioths_dog> SliderMan: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[09:15] <jgoguen> c_rodge: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 mplayer-686
[09:15] <Sodki> ompaul, thanks :-)
[09:15] <zenlunatic> are ubuntu package details available on the net somewhere?
[09:15] <nalioth> zenlunatic: packages.ubuntu.com
[09:15] <ompaul> Sodki, without knowing lots about you I can say that one thing you should to there is catch at least one show in the west end and spend a day hanging around Covent garden some very good street entertainment
[09:15] <jgoguen> c_rodge: once that's done, make sure /dev/dvd exists, symlink to your DVD device if needed, then say mplayer dvd://
[09:16] <biffurt> ok, is there a difference between X and XFree86? I'm trying to find out which driver I need for my S3 savage card
[09:16] <c_rodge> ok
[09:16] <biffurt> And I found a driver for XFree86
[09:16] <jgoguen> c_rodge: if that doesn't work /msg me with the errors and I'll make an attempt from there
[09:17] <biffurt> But I need to know which driver to get - there's different versions for 4.4, 4.3, and 4.2
[09:17] <BoD_SWAT> I need to add a program to my startup programs. Where can I do this?
[09:17] <biffurt> But X -version tells me it's version 6.8.2
[09:17] <Alek> Hi, I have configurated the boot file..., and now is Windows XP not there any more....:(
[09:18] <ompaul> BoD_SWAT,  if they do not add automagically you should consider an application that you can get from sourceforge called smeg
[09:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how to install 3Dwm?
[09:18] <jo> how to instal v4l1 ???????????
[09:18] <jo> in stad of v4l2
[09:19] <BoD_SWAT> ompaul, I'm adding Eterm to have a spiffy desktop. In the howto it says: "Also, you need to add Eterm to your startup programs. It could look something like this:". Is there a config file somewhere?
[09:19] <lsuactiafner> i rock.. my desktop looks cooler than ice ice ice!!
[09:19] <jo> andt wy i doint get xawtv on urbuntu?
[09:19] <lsuactiafner> i have the_white_stripes_-_i_just_dont_know_what_to_do_with_myself.mpeg playin as my desktop 'background' / animated background
[09:20] <BoD_SWAT> lsuactiafner, where can I find the howto?
[09:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> does anyone know how to install the new 3d desktop?
[09:21] <biffurt> is there a difference between X and XFree86? I'm trying to find out which driver I need for my S3 savage card. I've got a driver for XFree86 4.4, 4.3, or 4.2. But X -version tells me I'm running version 6.8.2
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[09:21] <biffurt> can anyone give me a hand? I'm clueless with this OS. =/
[09:21] <Alek> Any one who can help me with boot file???
[09:22] <BoD_SWAT> ompaul, It needs to be launched on start or something. Have a look-see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36811&highlight=devilspie
[09:22] <Panzerboy> any idea, are there any issues with the mirrormax repos?
[09:22] <Panzerboy> i just added them to the sources.list
[09:22] <BoD_SWAT> Panzerboy, no issues here
[09:23] <unome> Panzerboy: works fine here. what error you get?
[09:23] <Panzerboy> and now the apt-get update is stalled at Ign http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports/restricted Packages
[09:23] <Panzerboy> 99% [Waiting for headers] 
[09:23] <Panzerboy> just stalled
[09:23] <|Kabuto|> I downloaded nvidia-glx too. now what?
[09:23] <Panzerboy> stays there
[09:23] <lsuactiafner> BoD_SWAT : no howto, but just run the command nice -n 20 mplayer movie.avi -fs -rootwin -loop 0 -nosound -hardframedrop -lavdopts lowres=1 -vfm ffmpeg <-- command is such that it uses about 1% of my AMD64 3200+ cpu
[09:23] <Panzerboy> and nowthing happens
[09:23] <BoD_SWAT> Alek, what is exactly your program? DId you config your menu.lst correctly?
[09:23] <Alek> BoS_SWAT, it is grub..., i configurated the file: moved xp to the top
[09:24] <Alek> bod_swat, but now is xp gone :(
[09:24] <|Kabuto|> guys, I downloaded nvidia-glx too. now what?
[09:24] <Panzerboy> any idea what can be wrong?
[09:24] <unome> !backports
[09:24] <ubotu> backports is probably http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[09:24] <Rockett17> did someone say XP in a Ubuntu channel... the devilsOS!!! :p only kidding :p
[09:24] <unome> Panzerboy: find another repo
[09:25] <|Kabuto|> M$
[09:25] <Panzerboy> hmm
[09:25] <BoD_SWAT> Alek, gone from the menu you mean? Then you configured something wrong. With me XP is always the second choice, and Ubuntu is the first
[09:25] <BockBilbo> Seveas, u still there?
[09:26] <ompaul> Alek, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ put your /boot/grub/menu.lst in that pastebin
[09:26] <BockBilbo> i have done what u said in win.. and i still cannot write on the hd
[09:26] <BockBilbo> :(
[09:26] <BoD_SWAT> Alek, did you use title, rootnoverify, makeactive and chainloader +1 ?
[09:27] <BoD_SWAT> what's the problem with XP being the 2nd or 3rd choice? ;-)
[09:28] <Alek> bot_swat, I moved the xp thing to the top of file..., it was the 4.choice or somethimg
[09:28] <hugos> Hi! I have Firefox 1.02 installed and I want to upgrade it! How can I do that without installing from the source. It's not on the repositories.. at least I cant find it.
[09:28] <Alek> bot_swar, nothing.., but will has it first so i can turn on pc withous sitting here
[09:29] <i3dmaster> my screen is stuck at 640x480 after I removed libesd0 and installed libesd-alsa0... Anyone knows how to fix it.
[09:29] <jgoguen> hugos: it's in the backports repos, you need to get them first
[09:29] <BoD_SWAT> Alek, XP is 2nd choice at my place, so I can't help you there (works fine here)
[09:29] <|Kabuto|> guys, I'm trying to install nvidia module. I apt-get'd nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx too. now what?
[09:29] <Alek> ompaul, here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/263
[09:30] <justin> |Kabuto|: remove nvidia-kernel-source and install the linux-restricted-modules package for your kernel
[09:30] <Alek> ompaul, it is the file now..., xp is missing
[09:30] <hugos> jgoguen, how can I find the backports? :D
[09:31] <fivre> How do I set GnomeTerminal to load x profile always with a certain window dimension and placement
[09:31] <fivre> ?
[09:31] <BoD_SWAT> Alek, just add Windows XP manually!
[09:31] <Spug> I second fivre's question
[09:31] <nalioth> hugos: only use backports for the specific program you want, then disable them (this prevents future system incompatibliitys)
[09:32] <nalioth> !backports
[09:32] <ubotu> I heard backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[09:32] <Alek> bod_swat, ok but how....?
[09:32] <bluet> Hi all
[09:32] <BoD_SWAT> use gedit?
[09:32] <BoD_SWAT> or vim
[09:33] <Alek> bod_swat, and how can i get it to be there....?
[09:33] <turid> Just installed Ubuntu. How to play MP3?
[09:33] <bluet> My WLAN adapter (an Int
[09:34] <jgoguen> turid: http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:34] <bluet> ...el one) doesn'y fucktion
[09:34] <nalioths_dog> turid: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[09:34] <|Kabuto|> turid: sudo apt-get install gstreamer-0.8-mad
[09:34] <nalioths_dog> jgoguen, please don't recommend ubuntuguide
[09:34] <|Kabuto|> brb
[09:34] <BoD_SWAT> Alek, use your fingers on your keyboard and type the stuff. I'll give you my example.   http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/265
[09:35] <BoD_SWAT> Alek, you just need to know what hd and partition is on (the "hd0,0" part of the code)
[09:35] <nalioth> jgoguen: please read number 3 >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[09:35] <topyli> fivre: in edit -> profiles you can choose the default profile
[09:35] <bluet> My WLAN adapter doesn't work
[09:35] <Spug> topyli: but how can you set window placement and dimension in a gnome-terminal profile?
[09:35] <jpaixao> hello
[09:36] <jpaixao> I need some help
[09:36] <Alek> bod_swat, will it be there after? last time did it go away...
[09:36] <topyli> Spug: you don't. you specify the X geometry on the command line
[09:36] <Spug> aha
[09:36] <BoD_SWAT> did you get an kernel update? Just make a menu.lst.backup file or something
[09:36] <jpaixao> i looked in the foruns but i didn-t  found an answer to my problem
[09:36] <fivre> how do you do that, and can it be done automatically?
[09:37] <jpaixao> sometimes,my mouse becomes slow and not very precise
[09:37] <bluet> Okey, GRUB doesn't install _and_ WLAN doesn't work
[09:37] <nalioth> Spug: set the dimensions in your .bashrc
[09:37] <Spug> nalioth: okay, thanks a lot
[09:37] <jpaixao> i'm not the only one with this problem, but no one seems to be able to solve it
[09:38] <jpaixao> i'd apreciated if some one could help me
[09:38] <fivre> where is .bashrc?
[09:38] <jpaixao> tks anyway ;)
[09:38] <nalioth> fivre: in your home directory
[09:38] <nalioth> fivre: it is an 'invisible' file (it has a dot in front of it)
[09:38] <Kyral> jpaixao: Wireless Mouse? Optical Mouse?
[09:39] <jpaixao> wired mouse
[09:39] <jpaixao> optical
[09:39] <jpaixao> i have a laptop and my tochpad mouse works perfectly, even when the wired mouse flips!!
[09:40] <bluet> I have a laptop too, but my problem is that the WLAN adapter doesn't work
[09:40] <Kyral> jpaixao: Try cleaning it?
[09:41] <jpaixao> it's clean
[09:41] <i3dmaster> can anyone help me figure out why my screen is stuck at 640x480? out of mind already...
[09:41] <jpaixao> i use it in another OS and it has no problem
[09:41] <Rockett17> is there any widgets for superkaramba to display a terminal on the desktop?
[09:42] <sascha_> hi, what is the best way to install kmuddy? I can use source, mandrake or Suse rpm. no deb files
[09:42] <lsuactiafner> !resolution
[09:42] <ubotu> it has been said that resolution is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:42] <jpaixao> if i more processes i have running, the slower the mouse gets
[09:42] <lsuactiafner> i3dmaster : <ubotu> it has been said that resolution is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:42] <socomm> sascha_: You can try installing the rpm version via alien.
[09:42] <bluet> !wlan
[09:42] <ubotu> bluet: Wish i knew
[09:42] <bluet> !wifi
[09:42] <ubotu> methinks wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[09:43] <socomm> !alien
[09:43] <kimo> is there a libcompat pkg with old libstdc stuff
[09:43] <ubotu> Wish i knew, socomm
[09:43] <BockBilbo> anyone has an idea of why ubuntu says i dont have space in a external 40GB HD with vfat format, when i really have like 6 Gigas free?
[09:43] <BockBilbo> :S
[09:43] <sascha_> socomm, mandrake or SuSE?
[09:43] <i3dmaster> lsuactiaf: ok I will try to look at it first.
[09:43] <oo> I am having some annoying problems with getting mplayer-586 from nerim.net installed.. backports.ubuntuforums.org won't talk to me either. Any hints?
[09:43] <socomm> sascha_: Either one should be fine, provided you got all the right libs in place.
[09:43] <andre__> do i have to pay for cedega?
[09:43] <oo> It wants another libc6 and some other stuff
[09:43] <sascha_> socomm, thanks...
[09:43] <family> what is a good lightweight file browser that is user friendly for xfce?
[09:43] <lsuactiafner> BockBilbo : mount as vfat32 not just vfat
[09:43] <socomm> ubotu: alien is http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[09:44] <ubotu> socomm: okay
[09:44] <BockBilbo> lsuactiafner, but, until know its been ok using vfat
[09:44] <kimo> family rox
[09:44] <nalioth> oo: remove nerim.net and backports from your sources list
[09:44] <Rockett17> family> i would suggest rox
[09:44] <BockBilbo> perhaps i think that vfat32 doesnt exist
[09:45] <Rockett17> family> it's a bit weird to get used to, but it rocks
[09:45] <socomm> family is gone.
[09:45] <lsuactiafner> checkin quick brb
[09:45] <odie5533> Rockett17 I was family
[09:45] <SleepyEye> Newbie here...whats the difference between "hoary" and "breezy"?  Is it breezy = unstable or testing?
[09:45] <odie5533> this is a family pc ;)
[09:45] <hugos> nalioth, Failed to fetch http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Could not connect to backports.ubuntuforums.org:80 (69.46.19.12). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[09:45] <odie5533> I need a file browser that is user friendly
[09:45] <BockBilbo> perhaps i think that vfat32 doesnt exist
[09:45] <odie5533> highly
[09:45] <nalioth> SleepyEye: correct, breezy is quite a challengs atm
[09:45] <lsuactiafner> breezy got gass..
[09:45] <cyphase_> what's the best server managing utility, if there is such a thing
[09:45] <cyphase_> :)
[09:45] <BockBilbo> sorry for the double message :S
[09:45] <socomm> Breezy is the development version, not recommended for day to day use.
[09:45] <nalioth> hugos: do not use backports
[09:46] <nalioth> hugos: do not use ubuntuguide
[09:46] <hugos> nalioth, I need to get firefox 1.04
[09:46] <nalioths_dog> hugos: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[09:46] <resiak> hugos: Why?
[09:46] <oo> nalioth, ok  - cool. I am just so used to using nerim.net. But w32codecs ?
[09:46] <socomm> Hoary is the current "stable" incarnation of Ubuntu, alot more suited for end users than breezy.
[09:46] <nalioth> hugos: get it from mozilla.org
[09:46] <lsuactiafner> seems there is only 1 vfat module
[09:46] <nalioth> oo: www.mplayerhq.hu  and download the 'essential package'
[09:47] <lsuactiafner> no idea then..
[09:47] <hugos> nalioth, but why do advice me not to use backports for firefox upgrade?
[09:47] <nalioth> oo: there are instructions there on where to put them
[09:47] <resiak> hugos: Why do you _need_ 1.0.4?
[09:47] <socomm> !rox
[09:47] <ubotu> socomm: I don't know
[09:47] <lsuactiafner> i prefer all- since its only a few mb bigger and you might need it
[09:47] <nalioth> hugos: the firefox available to you now, has the security updates from 1.0.4 in it
[09:47] <hugos> resiak, I want to install some extensions
[09:47] <catch> hi all, I'm trying to install user-mode-linux, it's a virtual package, however a web search of the archive has the .deb file in the universe (I have universe in my sources.list) does any one know why it's virtual not real? (I'm running hoary)
[09:47] <nalioth> hugos: are you having trouble accessing the firefox widget page?
[09:47] <Rockett17>  /usr/lib/win32 is usually where the w32codecs go
[09:47] <resiak> hugos: You can trick them.
[09:47] <lsuactiafner> becuase 1.0.4 allows for new plugins without changing the version in about:config
[09:47] <oo> nalioth, yeah - but as long as my Linux system actually _has_ a package manager i'd rather like to use it...
[09:47] <oo> :)
[09:47] <pinko> I swear, every time I come in here someone is asking about firefox 1.0.4
[09:48] <oo> nalioth, but thanks a lot! :)
[09:48] <goldfish> pinko: indeed
[09:48] <nalioth> oo using unofficial repos WILL lead to system breakage
[09:48] <nalioth> oo: we see it all the time in ehre
[09:48] <hugos> resiak, how?
[09:48] <pinko> If I ever need that knowledge I will be more than ready.
[09:48] <socomm> ubotu: rox is http://rox.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/
[09:48] <ubotu> okay, socomm
[09:48] <resiak> hugos: Google it.
[09:48] <hugos> nalioth, yes
[09:48] <resiak> Who owns ubotu?
[09:48] <nalioth> hugos: open your firefox, place "about:config" in the address bar
[09:49] <hugos> resiak, thanks, but I already changed the version string and it doesnt work
[09:49] <nalioth> hugos: search the resulting page for "vendorsub". on the same line, change 1.0.2 to 1.0.4
[09:49] <oo> nalioth, Debian Sid also leads to breakage, but you are of course correct.
[09:49] <Rockett17> nalioth> hahaha
[09:49] <catch> resiak: mark shuttleworth's company
[09:49] <Rockett17> nice :)
[09:49] <nalioth> oo: i dont know anything about sid or nancy
[09:49] <resiak> catch: That's 100% unhelpful, and you don't even know Canonical's name?
[09:50] <timtux> What is wrong?
[09:50] <catch> resiak : not off the top of my head, but you obviously do ;)
[09:50] <nalioth> resiak: i know who owns ubotu, just cant think of the nick atm
[09:50] <odie5533> how do I check hdd usage in a terminal?
[09:50] <resiak> nalioth: bob2?
[09:50] <catch> now does anyone know about the user-mode-linux issue I'm having?
[09:50] <socomm> odie5533: df -h
[09:50] <nalioth> resiak: lets not play 20 ??s right now, but no
[09:50] <resiak> catch: Hell, I saw everyone's favourite spaceman in the flesh two days ago :)
[09:50] <resiak> nalioth: Heh
[09:50] <Rockett17> aight time to go home
[09:51] <Rockett17> enough work
[09:51] <djm62> !owner
[09:51] <ubotu> djm62: I haven't a clue
[09:51] <lsuactiafner> resiak : jetsons?
[09:51] <lsuactiafner> hehehe
[09:51] <resiak> djm62: I've already prodded it extensively in /msg
[09:51] <resiak> lsuactiafner: Heh
[09:51] <hugos> nalioth, thanks, it worked
[09:52] <lsuactiafner> anyone know of a good website where i can look @ home modded pc cases?
[09:52] <nalioth> np
[09:52] <cyphase_> 12:51:35 up 49 days,  7:26,  3 users,  load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00
[09:52] <lsuactiafner> cyphase_ : running fah@home or seti?
[09:52] <unome> lsuactiafner: hardforum
[09:52] <timtux> What the hell is wrong?
[09:52] <timtux> Configuring apt..
[09:52] <timtux> 25%
[09:52] <timtux> Setting up primary installation repository...
[09:52] <timtux> For an hour now! I have tried to restart the installation, but that dosent help.
[09:52] <timtux> What does that stage do? Do i need internet connection while i do it?
[09:52] <timtux> Ive got an 10/10 connection and using a router (dlink 604)
[09:53] <lsuactiafner> thanks unome
[09:53] <unome> np
[09:53] <i3dmaster> I went the wiki and looked the HowTo, and it did not help for my case.
[09:54] <i3dmaster> my xorg.conf should be no problem cause it did not get changed after I installed the libesd-alsa0. I am thinking something broken when I was off loading the libesd pkg but not sure where...
[09:55] <lsuactiafner> i3dmaster : edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf look for a line called modes, edit it, then press  control alt backspace and dont panic
[09:55] <andersbr> Dumb question:  How do I find out what sort of NIC card I have without opening the box?
[09:55] <Nerull> lol
[09:55] <socomm> ...
[09:55] <unome> andersbr: sudo lshw
[09:56] <goldfish> lspci
[09:56] <rezzcobain> Im having trouble with 3d graphics, I thought I installed the drivers for my video card, but im new to linux, can anyone help me out?
[09:56] <nalioth> andersbr: open a terminal and type "lspci"
[09:56] <timtux> Seems like noone can help me, soon i will take out the fucking cd and broke it off.
[09:56] <goldfish> rezzcobain: what card you got?
[09:56] <rezzcobain> Radeon 9800
[09:56] <Nerull> try lspci  m8
[09:57] <nalioth> timtux: someone can help you if they know/experienced what you are referring to
[09:57] <i3dmaster> Isuactiaf: that was as the same as before, and I tried to edit it to some other values but it wouldn't take any changes.
[09:57] <nalioth> timtux: in nobody here knows, do you want them making something up?
[09:57] <i3dmaster> gnome seems only seeing the 640x480@60
[09:57] <BoD_SWAT> how can I use 'ls' and see the dir per 'page' (when I have a small terminal window?)
[09:57] <Nerull> man ls
[09:57] <andersbr> Thanks.  I'm only getting 10Mbps on my network,  and I'm trying to figure out where the bottleneck is.
[09:58] <Nerull> Or ls --help
[09:58] <goldfish> i3dmaster: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[09:58] <djm62> BoD_SWAT: or ls | less
[09:58] <goldfish> i3dmaster: instead of editing it manually
[09:58] <nalioth> BoD_SWAT: use a pipe | and then less as in "ls | less
[09:58] <i3dmaster> goldfish: did that, wouldn't help
[09:58] <nalioth> "
[09:58] <Nerull> You can use ls | more aswell
[09:58] <goldfish> i3dmaster: ahhh
[09:58] <goldfish> :/
[09:58] <goldfish> less is more !
[09:58] <rezzcobain> goldfish: ATI Radeon 9800
[09:58] <unome> true
[09:58] <Nerull> :)
[09:59] <goldfish> rezzcobain: whats up, crappy resolution?
[09:59] <BoD_SWAT> djm62, nalioth thnx guys :D
[09:59] <lsuactiafner> i3dmaster : if desperate run xorgconf
[09:59] <i3dmaster> goldfish, I chose to reconfigure it at the first time, since it did not solve the problem, then I went to manually tweak it
[09:59] <goldfish> i3dmaster: ah , i see.
[09:59] <rezzcobain> slow rendering
[09:59] <goldfish> hmmm
[09:59] <lsuactiafner> i3dmaster : press control alt + and -
[09:59] <goldfish> jeez, im not sure, dont have ati myself.
[09:59] <nalioth> i3dmaster: you can also choose VESA as your driver
[09:59] <lsuactiafner> and remember your towel.. trust me
[09:59] <brade> hello all...again
[09:59] <timtux> Im using an acer aspire 1362WLC (laptop).
[09:59] <lsuactiafner> i think xorg.conf his first line is 640 and he hasnt tried control alt + -
[09:59] <Nerull> So today i got my free-shipped cd's for ubuntu but does it have the same apt system like debian do ?
[09:59] <nalioth> i3dmaster: lots of ati users have trouble, VESA as a driver will give you many res options
[09:59] <timtux> and those shit hang
[10:00] <i3dmaster> hmm... ok, doesn't sound very good huh...
[10:00] <nalioth> i3dmaster: watch ubotu
[10:00] <nalioth> !fixres
[10:00] <ubotu> fixres is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:00] <goldfish> ngd_: of course.
[10:00] <goldfish> Nerull: Of course.
[10:00] <pipatron> Nerull: Same kind of system, different sources.
[10:00] <i3dmaster> ubotu: looked that already
[10:00] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, i3dmaster
[10:00] <goldfish> ngd_: sorry mistab.
[10:00] <timtux> Under the setup:
[10:00] <timtux> Configuring apt..
[10:00] <timtux> 25%
[10:00] <timtux> Setting up primary installation repository...
[10:00] <Nerull> Diff sources what do you mean by that ?
[10:00] <timtux> how long can that take?
[10:00] <socomm> Nerull: Different repos.
[10:00] <Seveas> timtux, try disabling network downloads during install
[10:00] <Nerull> Like i cant use my isp apt-mirror ? :S
[10:00] <nalioth> timtux: it shouldnt 'hang' at all, should take a few minutes max
[10:01] <lsuactiafner> i3dmaster : did you try control alt +  and -
[10:01] <Seveas> it seems to have a problem with connecting the network
[10:01] <socomm> timtux: Depends on your hardware.
[10:01] <i3dmaster> nalioth: I will probably try to use vesa...
[10:01] <i3dmaster> lsuactiaf, ok, let me try it...
[10:01] <andersbr> Now an obscure question:  Does anyone know if the 3c59x driver supports 100Mbps?  I believe the 3c509 cards themselves were 10Mbps only.
[10:01] <pipatron> Nerull: Not if you want a true ubuntu system, no
[10:01] <timtux> Seveas how?
[10:01] <justin> andersbr: 3c509 cards are ISA
[10:02] <timtux> nalioth, not for me.
[10:02] <justin> andersbr: read the output of dmesg and mii-tool/mii-diag if your card has mii stuff
[10:02] <pipatron> Nerull: But your ISP should set up some caching proxy instead
[10:02] <Nerull> pipatron so what are the main diffs between debian and ubuntu =
[10:02] <Nerull> ?
[10:02] <brade> question:  i installed xfce and i decided that i dont care for it much.  i want to get rid of it.  so i started synaptic and found it under 'installed'.  im i corrent in my understanding that in am going to have to manually select every xfce instance?
[10:02] <pipatron> Nerull: Ubuntu works ;)
[10:02] <timtux> socomm, brand new comp, amd semperon 2800+, 512mb RAM
[10:02] <pipatron> Nerull: *if* you stick to the ubuntu packages.
[10:02] <Nerull> pipatron lol @ u
[10:02] <socomm> timtux: Try Seveas suggestion.
[10:03] <timtux> And i asked, how to disable that?
[10:03] <socomm> timtux: Poke around a bit, you should have no problems finding the option.
[10:03] <andersbr> justin:  I know.  The card itself is a 3c905 100BaseTX.  But the driver listed is 3c59x.
[10:03] <Nerull> I'll try it on my new server-box maybe i can use it on my workstation if i like it better then debian :)
[10:03] <nalioth> timtux: do as Seveas suggested and disable networking during the install
[10:03] <pipatron> Nerull: DO the other way around
[10:03] <pipatron> Nerull: Ubuntu is targeted to desktops
[10:03] <timtux> nalioth, how do i disable netwoking?
[10:03] <nalioth> timtux: unplug your network cable
[10:03] <Seveas> timtux, the installer will ask whether you want to download or not
[10:04] <justin> andersbr: 59x is not 509, its 905. blame 3com for stupid numbering
[10:04] <d4rksh4de> which file to download  .tar.bz2    or   .tar.gz   ?
[10:04] <goldfish> lol
[10:04] <i3dmaster> lsuactiaf: well, I think its a good sign, I can change the resolution now, but my screen is splited into like 4 or 5 picecs..
[10:04] <Nerull> pipatron i will :)
[10:04] <pipatron> i3dmaster: Physically?
[10:04] <goldfish> d4rksh4de: no difference reallky, what is it?
[10:04] <nalioth> i3dmaster: vesa will help you
[10:04] <Seveas> and unplugging thr network cable might be a good idea too
[10:04] <andersbr> justin:  You think the driver should be fine,  then?
[10:04] <justin> andersbr: yes, read the output of dmesg and mii-tool/mii-diag if your card has mii stuff
[10:04] <Nerull> !iptables
[10:04] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Nerull
[10:04] <Nerull> lol
[10:04] <timtux> Serius, ubuntu is harder to insatll then Gentoo...
[10:04] <goldfish> eh
[10:04] <d4rksh4de> goldfish> gtkmm-2.6.3.tar.gz  is bigger
[10:04] <goldfish> no it's not :)
[10:04] <i3dmaster> pipatron: sometime I wish... :-) but I will do a reboot and see how it goes, otherwise, I will try vesa..
[10:04] <justin> and the 905 supports mii, so it will tell you what the link is running at
[10:05] <Nerull> Try the slackware/debian install timtux ;)
[10:05] <BockBilbo> nye
[10:05] <Seveas> timtux, sure...
[10:05] <nalioth> Nerull: iptables? you mean like this stuff? http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[10:05] <goldfish> gentoo is harder tbh
[10:05] <goldfish> d4rksh4de: k, well, the smaller one so. :)
[10:05] <Seveas> Just because *your system* has problems with the installer doesn't mean that Ubuntu is harder to install...
[10:05] <Nerull> nalioth thanks m8
[10:05] <pipatron> timtux: You're smoking too much crack.. Nothing is easier to install than ubuntu
[10:05] <Nerull> lol
[10:05] <Seveas> pipatron, keep it nice please..
[10:05] <Kyral> Yah! My laptop hates Ubuntu (and most other distros for that matter :D)
[10:06] <Nerull> Kyral: And you hate Windows right ?
[10:06] <socomm> Kyral: Blame wintel, not GNU/Linux.
[10:06] <Seveas> Kyral, get a new laptop ;)
[10:06] <nalioth> well, back to work
[10:06] <virtuald> Seveas: crack is nice
[10:06] <Nerull> lol
[10:06] <timtux> Nerull, they are easy. My first distro was slackware 8.1 ;D
[10:06] <d4rksh4de> goldfish> can the packing rate be so big   one is 3.7 MB other is 5.7 MB  ?
[10:06] <goldfish> d4rksh4de: to unzip the bz2 one, tar xvjf blah.tar.bz2
[10:06] <Kyral> Nerull, yes, I hate XP :D
[10:06] <nalioth_wrkn> virtuald: yes, the crack in a beatiful womans
[10:06] <brade> i know alot of people have questions so i'll just post this again ;) question:  i installed xfce and i decided that i dont care for it much.  i want to get rid of it.  so i started synaptic and found it under 'installed'.  im i corrent in my understanding that in am going to have to manually select every xfce instance (dependency?)?
[10:07] <virtuald> :)
[10:07] <Seveas> nalioth_wrkn, lol!
[10:07] <goldfish> d4rksh4de: hmmm, not sure really, it must be :)
[10:07] <Nerull> Kyral: You can get a beer from me anytime m8 :)
[10:07] <pipatron> nalioth_wrkn: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
[10:07] <nalioth_wrkn> brade: thre aren't that many 'instances'
[10:07] <Seveas> brade, install debfoster and read its manual :)
[10:07] <goldfish> brade: sudo apt-get remove xfce4 --purge
[10:07] <Seveas> debfoster is escellent at removing unneeded dependencies
[10:07] <Kyral> I'm going to my aunts house and bringing an Ubuntu LIVE CD so I can check my email without going into XP :D
[10:07] <goldfish> gah, ignore me.
[10:08] <Nerull> kyral use SSH :)
[10:08] <Seveas> goldfish, that will not remove unneeded dependencies :)
[10:08] <nalioth_wrkn> Kyral: take an install cd, also, save granny the virus fight
[10:08] <brade> thanks everyone...im slowly getting the hang of it...slowly
[10:08] <Kyral> Nerull: Nah, I'm gonna take this chance to show them Ubuntu as well :D
[10:08] <Nerull> Kyral: Please dont make some old people use GNU/Linux :)
[10:08] <Kyral> Although I only have a Kubuntu Live and an Ubuntu Install
[10:09] <Nerull> They got like millions of questions the next time you come around :P
[10:09] <Kyral> Nerull: The husband of my aunt uses OS X, so I have faith :D
[10:09] <nalioth_wrkn> pipatron: but i do sit drooling over this kb, waiting for questions
[10:09] <Nerull> Ow mkay :O
[10:09] <Kyral> ick,.... KDE....
[10:09] <goldfish> fluxbox !
[10:09] <Kyral> Is there anyway to take a snapshot of your current system and use it to make a LiveCD?
[10:10] <Seveas> kyral, sort of, you can see installed packages with dpkg --get-selections and remaster the LiveCD to include these packages (and your homedir)
[10:10] <brade> kyral:  good question...
[10:11] <Kyral> Seveas: Got a tutorial for that? :D
[10:11] <d4rksh4de> goldfish> is it better to get stuff from synaptic or manually install them?
[10:12] <SliderMan> why i cant open sources.list ?
[10:12] <brade> oh hey, i just realized that ubuntu has a native 'add/remove programs' utility
[10:12] <Kyral> need sudo to :D
[10:12] <SliderMan> it loading me some blank txt file :-
[10:13] <Seveas> Kyral, on the wiki
[10:13] <edgecase> anyone know what kernel is on hoary 5.04 live-cd?
[10:13] <Kyral> SliderMan, are you opening /etc/sources.list?
[10:13] <Kyral> err
[10:13] <Seveas> /etc/apt/sources.list :)
[10:13] <Kyral> /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:13] <SliderMan> its not on /ect/apt?
[10:14] <brade> edgecase:  im new to this but i think its 2.6
[10:14] <edgecase> i know, but 2.6.?
[10:14] <SliderMan> gedit /ect/apt/sources.list oppenig some blamk file :-
[10:14] <SliderMan> blank :-
[10:14] <Seveas> 2.6.10
[10:14] <Kyral> WTF
[10:14] <edgecase> no promise SATA 150 II TX4 then
[10:14] <edgecase> thx
[10:14] <Kyral> How the FSCK am I supposed to have 2-3 GBs of SWAP
[10:15] <SliderMan> someone have ideas/
[10:15] <SliderMan> ?
[10:15] <Kyral> ehehehe
[10:16] <Kyral> I have 1.4 GB of Swap :D
[10:16] <cast> obviously since /ect doesnt exist SliderMan
[10:16] <SliderMan> 1.2 GB of Swap :d
[10:16] <cast> i have no swap :D
[10:16] <Kyral> oh, there is this thing :D
[10:16] <SliderMan> i cant understad what not exist?
[10:17] <d4rksh4de> anyone have experience with gtkmm ?
[10:17] <cast> what does ls /ect/apt/sources.list say?
[10:17] <goldfish> no point having 1.4 gig swap partition
[10:17] <goldfish> you're better off splitting it up into smaller partitions
[10:17] <djm62> unless you're doing serious serious linear algebra, shurely?
[10:19] <cast> even 10000 simultanious questions will only take up 20 megs or so
[10:19] <timtux> Wtf, if i not having the networkcable inplugged when i trying to install ubuntu it says it dosent have any mirror to install from...
[10:19] <cast> you might need the 1.4gig for dealing with large images
[10:19] <SliderMan> cast, i have a /ect dir and when i open it from there its opened readonly
[10:19] <SliderMan> what is swap anyway?
[10:20] <djm62> cast: I was thinking astronomical data, or even seismics at a decent resolution
[10:20] <SliderMan> i want to do 777 to sources.list
[10:20] <Seveas> SliderMan, DO NOT do that...
[10:20] <djm62> s.
[10:20] <timtux> Then do it?
[10:20] <timtux> ;>
[10:20] <Seveas> that's so asking for problems..
[10:20] <djm62> SliderMan: no need to do that, and it's bad hygeine
[10:20] <goldfish> indeed
[10:21] <cast> hmm, i have no experience with that :(
[10:21] <timtux> chmod =D
[10:21] <djm62> hygiene, even
[10:21] <SliderMan> so how can i edit the file?
[10:21] <goldfish> SliderMan: using sudo
[10:21] <Seveas> SliderMan, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:21] <djm62> SliderMan: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:21] <Seveas> If it is blank, it is empty, but that would be weird
[10:21] <SliderMan> ohhh thanks!
[10:21] <Seveas> SliderMan, can you paste the output of 'ls -al /etc/apt' on the pastebin please
[10:22] <SliderMan> moshe@SerVer:~$ ls -al /etc/apt
[10:22] <SliderMan> total 32
[10:22] <SliderMan> drwxr-xr-x   3 root root 4096 2005-06-27 23:22 .
[10:22] <SliderMan> drwxr-xr-x  97 root root 4096 2005-06-27 23:01 ..
[10:22] <SliderMan> drwxr-xr-x   2 root root 4096 2005-06-27 19:59 apt.conf.d
[10:22] <SliderMan> -rw-------   1 root root    0 2005-06-27 19:40 secring.gpg
[10:22] <SliderMan> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 1228 2005-06-27 23:22 sources.list
[10:22] <SliderMan> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 1238 2005-06-27 19:46 sources.list~
[10:22] <SliderMan> -rw-------   1 root root 1200 2005-06-27 19:40 trustdb.gpg
[10:22] <SliderMan> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 2381 2005-06-27 19:40 trusted.gpg
[10:22] <SliderMan> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 1724 2005-06-27 19:39 trusted.gpg~
[10:22] <SliderMan> moshe@SerVer:~$
[10:22] <SliderMan> why?
[10:23] <jbroome> this isn't the pastebin
[10:23] <SliderMan> what is pastebin?
[10:23] <jbroome> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:23] <resiak> SliderMan: /topic
[10:23] <SirGir> SliderMan, read the topic
[10:24] <cast> uh, why is there a keyring in /etc/apt?
[10:24] <topyli> anyway sources.list is there
[10:24] <SliderMan> :)
[10:24] <topyli> it has even been edited :)
[10:26] <kwilcox-afk> is it possible to change the file system in the installer to Reiser?
[10:27] <someluser> my java runtime is broken and won't run azureus
[10:27] <someluser> can anyone help?
[10:27] <jo> hoe to look for older packets i wont to rm gnomeeting andt istla older one?
[10:27] <pibarnas> Hey people, my Ubuntu Hoary's supermount stops working suddenly... does somethng similar happened to anyone here?
[10:27] <budluva> someluser, tried reinstalling java?
[10:28] <someluser> yes
[10:28] <budluva> and azureus?
[10:28] <someluser> yes
[10:28] <someluser> azureus only has a bzip file
[10:28] <someluser> no .deb
[10:28] <KING^^^> hello ...
[10:28] <KING^^^> i have problems starting my ssh
[10:29] <budluva> someluser, check the starter guide, shows you how to install azureus via apt
[10:29] <pibarnas> I've done a /etc/init.d/dbus-1 but nothings happens...
[10:29] <someluser> where is it?
[10:29] <KING^^^> can anyone help me ?
[10:29] <budluva> someluser, check your azureus logs aswell /home/USER/.azureus/logs
[10:29] <kwilcox-afk> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[10:29] <pibarnas> I have to access cdrom and cdrw "by hand".
[10:29] <KING^^^> /etc/init.d/ssh start
[10:29] <KING^^^> Lying  * Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server...
[10:29] <KING^^^> Lying Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key
[10:29] <KING^^^> Lying Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key
[10:29] <KING^^^> Lying Disabling protocol version 2. Could not load host key
[10:29] <KING^^^> Lying  *hd: no hostkeys available -- exiting.
[10:30] <KING^^^> what should i have to do /
[10:30] <imagino> hi there! Here's Michele...a new Ubuntu user. Just wanted to sit here and watch your conversation...maybe I can catch some of your secrets! :D
[10:30] <timtux> im gonna try an own connecion
[10:31] <timtux> another connection*
[10:31] <unome> imagino: hi, sit next to me if you got some diet pepsi
[10:31] <kwilcox> King: I can successully SSH into your IP
[10:31] <pestilence> does anyone here use mplayerplug-in to watch clips on comedycentral.com?  it used to work for me, but now all i get is audio (no video).  i've tried 2.8, 2.85 and cvs, they all don't work.  any ideas?
[10:31] <justin> KING^^^: purge and reinstall the openssh-server package
[10:32] <someluser> budluva; the guide says to apt-get install azureus, but it does not show
[10:32] <justin> KING^^^: then, do nothing, as it already will start automatically
[10:32] <budluva> someluser, sudo apt-get install azureus
[10:32] <budluva> someluser, run that command in your terminal
[10:32] <someluser> it can't find it
[10:32] <budluva> ???
[10:32] <budluva> did you read the guide?
[10:32] <someluser> apt says no
[10:32] <budluva> shows you how to add repositories
[10:32] <pestilence> for example
[10:32] <pestilence> http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/media_player/play.jhtml?itemId=15849&poppedFrom=_shows_the_daily_show_videos_headlines_index.jhtml&
[10:32] <someluser> and yed i read it
[10:32] <budluva> well you didnt read then did you?
[10:33] <budluva> obviously not
[10:33] <someluser> my name is someluser
[10:33] <imagino> unome: I've got a Coca Cola...or a fresh beer...can I sit then? :D
[10:33] <unome> beer = good
[10:33] <imagino> then I'll sit!
[10:33] <imagino> ahahah
[10:33] <pibarnas> Hey, can someone help me with ubuntu's supermout?
[10:34] <pestilence> could somebody who has the mozilla-mplayer package installed verify for me that the above link does not work for them?
[10:34] <unome> pestilence: works here
[10:35] <unome> and yes the guy is funny.
[10:35] <pestilence> unome, arrrgh.  i guess it's just me.
[10:35] <pestilence> unome, i prefer rolling my own mplayer-mozilla, since the packaged version doesn't seem to have the same control capabilities (namely fullscreen)
[10:36] <pestilence> but i guess i will have to use the package :-(
[10:36] <unome> better have soemthing than nothing
[10:36] <pestilence> yea.  i don't understand why it stopped working for me.
[10:38] <timtux> omg, they shut down my warm water at 23.00, have to take a shower now. Cya
[10:38] <timtux> brb
[10:38] <pestilence> hrmm...you have video too, unome?
[10:38] <pestilence> it still doesn't work with the packaged version.
[10:38] <xryy> I have nForce2 chipset and ATi Radeon 9600XT, do i need any drivers? because, ex: the screensaver have really bad fps, so there must be something with no installed driver
[10:38] <pestilence> all i get is audio
[10:39] <unome> pestilence: you have mplayer installed?
[10:39] <pestilence> unome, yes, and most other embedded videos work
[10:39] <SliderMan> someone knows about kazaa to linux?
[10:39] <unome> pestilence:  about:plugings in firefox shows mplayer, correct?
[10:39] <unome> about:plugins*
[10:39] <pestilence> unome, it seems that comedycentral's embedded videos are the only ones i have found that don't. the ones in the mplayerplug-in testing grounds all work
[10:40] <pibarnas> did someone here have the ubuntu supermount crashing?
[10:40] <pestilence> unome, yes, i'm sure it does.  the plugin launches.  it just doesn't show video.  it plays the audio, however
[10:40] <unome> pestilence: weird
[10:40] <pestilence> unome, maybe i need to remove the configuration files...
[10:41] <unome> yeah give it a shot
[10:42] <i3dmaster> does not work, after reboot, the screen went back to 640x480 and even using vesa as the driver, it is still the same.
[10:43] <someluser> budluva; i read the guide more throughly and found a repo I didn't have.
[10:43] <jo> were to finf urbuntu dutch
[10:43] <someluser> it's taking a LONG time, but it's downloading
[10:44] <budluva> someluser, but its working?
[10:44] <someluser> so far....
[10:44] <budluva> good
[10:44] <pestilence> bizarre.  nothing seems to fix it.  i moved .mplayer and .mozilla, and still have the same problem
[10:44] <someluser> dang
[10:45] <someluser> budluva; it crapped out on me again
[10:45] <budluva> what did?
[10:45] <someluser> azureus
[10:45] <budluva> when loading? or while installing?
[10:45] <d4rksh4de> What is the default place where programs are being installed?
[10:46] <jo> apt-file list gnomemeeting
[10:46] <jo> ?
[10:46] <someluser> when loading
[10:46] <someluser> billions of "unknown source" errors from java
[10:46] <jo> how to see witch version there are
[10:46] <Reyn> fdisk -l tells me I have a hd on hdd1, but there isnt a /dev/hdd1 ... what gives ?
[10:46] <unome> pestilence: from the forums http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44560&highlight=mplayer
[10:46] <budluva> someluser, sudo apt-get remove azureus && apt-get remove sun-j2re1.5
[10:46] <someluser> ok
[10:46] <budluva> someluser, then sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5 && apt-get install azureus
[10:47] <SpecialBuddy> does anyone know how to install wine
[10:47] <SpecialBuddy> I'm having the hardest time doing it
[10:47] <budluva> SpecialBuddy, sudo apt-get install wine
[10:47] <budluva> ???
[10:47] <SpecialBuddy> yeah
[10:47] <someluser> that's strange...
[10:47] <tiredbones> Does ubuntu have a new web site? Is www.ubuntu.org correct?
[10:47] <pestilence> unome, apart from possibly the mplayerplug-in.conf file, i have done all that.  i'll try the conf changes too.
[10:48] <SpecialBuddy> I did that but I try doing the wineinstall thing and it doesn't work
[10:48] <_simple> you'll want to apt-get install winesetuptk to configure wine
[10:48] <Alek> Hello?
[10:48] <budluva> SpecialBuddy, sorry cant help you there, i've never touched wine :P
[10:48] <someluser> budluva; i'm getting a wierd cannot open lock from dpkg
[10:48] <jo> its ther dutch help chanel
[10:48] <budluva> someluser, did you sudo?
[10:48] <SpecialBuddy> I get that and it uninstalls wine
[10:48] <someluser> yes
[10:49] <cavediver> Hi guys. How do I get mplayer or totem to play wmv version 9 files. It doesnt work
[10:49] <budluva> someluser, try them all separatley then, sudo apt-get remove azureus and then sudo apt-get remove sun-j2re1.5
[10:49] <cavediver> Using Breezy btw. But it doesn't work in hoary either
[10:49] <someluser> ok
[10:49] <budluva> CavalierBob, install w32codecs
[10:49] <budluva> CavalierBob, i think there is a wma codec around somewhere too
[10:49] <cavediver> budluva: that's installed...
[10:49] <cavediver> I'm pretty sure w32codecs is installed. Must doublecheck
[10:50] <geargolem> Hi
[10:50] <budluva> xmms-wma - xmms input plugin; wma format support
[10:50] <pestilence> unome, yea, that didn't do anything either.  this is bizarre.
[10:50] <socomm> cavediver: `apt-get install totem-xine'
[10:50] <sly> Hmm when i used kubuntu xvid/divx worked out of the box
[10:50] <unome> pestilence: I wish I could figure it out
[10:50] <someluser> budluva; it's working now, you missed a sudo after the &&
[10:50] <socomm> w32codecs should take care of the rest.
[10:50] <cavediver> socomm: socomm It's installed. It sais it has no codec for that file
[10:50] <sly> now im on ubuntu cos i wanted gnome but no divx/xvid codex * scratchs Head*
[10:50] <pibarnas> Hey folks...
[10:50] <pibarnas> help me!
[10:50] <Seveas> sly: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[10:51] <sly> =)
[10:51] <someluser> man, that backports mirror is slow
[10:51] <budluva> someluser, im used to being su -'d sorry
[10:51] <cavediver> Seems lite I don't have w32codecs. It's not installable. I run AMD64 version of Ubuntu
[10:51] <someluser> it's ok
[10:51] <unome> pestilence: ask Seveas while he's a round ;-)
[10:51] <Alek> Any one hwo know how i can see the last peolpes i chatted with????
[10:51] <Seveas> cavediver, w32codecs is only installable from backports and mplayerhq.hu iirc
[10:51] <cavediver> Hmm..
[10:52] <Seveas> Alek, in your logs perhaps?
[10:52] <cavediver> can you point me to the apt-source ?
[10:52] <uniq> cavediver: you need a 32bit chroot to use w32codecs on amd64.
[10:52] <cavediver> uniq: damn :/
[10:52] <SpecialBuddy> everytime I install wine then winesetuptk is uninstalled and vice versa
[10:52] <cavediver> I don't have that
[10:52] <Seveas> Alek, ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs
[10:52] <pestilence> unome, ok, i'll give him a shout :)
[10:52] <geargolem> is there a command to find where my java path is?
[10:52] <Fazer> Hello, does anyone know how to fix the MBR? I don't see Grub anymore.  it goes straight to my XP installation =(
[10:52] <sly> Seveas . site down or just me ?
[10:52] <Seveas> SpecialBuddy, winesetuptk is obsolete
[10:53] <xryy> can i play WMV on ubuntu?
[10:53] <Striss> Is there any way to change the desktop background in gnome via the command line?
[10:53] <cavediver> Fazer: boot a live-cd, mount your root partition and run grub-install /dev/hda
[10:53] <Seveas> SpecialBuddy, you need to install wine-utils (or was it wine-tools??) and run winecfg
[10:53] <uniq> xryy: yes, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:53] <unome> wt2
[10:53] <SpecialBuddy> ok
[10:53] <pestilence> Seveas, any idea why i get audio but no video with 4 versions of mplayerplug-in (packaged, 2.80, 2.85, and cvs?) for videos on comedycentral.com and nowhere else?
[10:53] <SpecialBuddy> so I shouldn't download winesetuptk
[10:53] <Fazer> cavediver: and that's it?
[10:54] <Seveas> pestilence, I guess they use a format that mplayer does not support...
[10:54] <cavediver> Fazer: Yes.
[10:54] <Seveas> SpecialBuddy, indeed
[10:54] <SpecialBuddy> ok
[10:54] <SpecialBuddy> thanks
[10:54] <Fazer> cavediver: Wow...didn't know it would be that easy.
[10:54] <pestilence> but it works for unome...
[10:54] <cavediver> :)
[10:54] <Seveas> pestilence, that's odd...
[10:54] <pestilence> yes.
[10:54] <unome> told him
[10:54] <Fazer> pestilence: how are ya man?
[10:54] <uniq> pestilence: and you have the newest w32codecs package from backports?
[10:54] <jblack_> Hypothetical question. if a boot sector is destroyed, is there a tool to locate filesystems on the device?
[10:54] <pestilence> hey fazer
[10:54] <pestilence> uniq, no i haven't.
[10:55] <Seveas> pestilence, try it :)
[10:55] <pestilence> ok, i'll give it a go
[10:55] <jblack_> perhaps a filesystem signature?
[10:55] <geargolem> how do i locate my java path?
[10:55] <Fazer> cavediver: Will that restore grub to its original setting so I can still dualboot and what not?
[10:55] <Seveas> geargolem, what do you mean..?
[10:55] <someluser> budluva; azureus is still crapping out
[10:55] <cavediver> Fazer: It will then use your old menu.lst file, so i guess the answer is yes.
[10:55] <geargolem> Seveas, i just installed java on Hoary but need to put the path to it in mozilla
[10:56] <Seveas> geargolem, I sincerely hope that you did not install java by simply running the .bin file...
[10:56] <Fazer> cavediver: Sweetness, thanks.  I shall give that a try now.
[10:56] <budluva> geargolem, should be in /usr/lib
[10:56] <geargolem> Seveas, I did it the right way
[10:56] <budluva> someluser, check your logs
[10:56] <Seveas> geargolem, using make-jpkg?
[10:56] <socomm> geargolem: You need to link the plugin to your firefoxes plugin direcotry.
[10:56] <someluser> ok
[10:56] <SliderMan> someone knows some free antivirus?
[10:57] <cavediver> Fazer: do so... after you mount, do a chroot /. I forgot to say that
[10:57] <socomm> clam a/v
[10:57] <SpecialBuddy> I'm about to say forget wine
[10:57] <cavediver> SliderMan: I use clamav
[10:57] <Seveas> SliderMan, clamav (available from the Ubuntu repos)
[10:57] <Alek> seveas, where....?
[10:57] <Fazer> cavediver: one more question, how woud I mount my linux partition? sudo mount /dev/hda2 (since I installed Linux after I installed Windows)
[10:57] <Seveas> Alek, ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs
[10:57] <Reyn> I have a disk that I'm transfering from another linux system, fdisk sees the partition as a SFS(42) disk ... could it be that the file system the partion is set to is not installed on my ubuntu system ? raiserfs etc.?
[10:57] <pestilence> aha!!!
[10:57] <pestilence> thanks :)
[10:58] <someluser> budluva; all the logs just have the java "unknown source" errors
[10:58] <cavediver> Fazer: yes. If hda2 is your Ubuntu root partition... sudo mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/whatever
[10:58] <pestilence> the newest codec package from backports fixed it
[10:58] <SpecialBuddy> can you get msn messenger for linux
[10:58] <Alek> Seveas, how..?
[10:58] <Alek> seveas, sudo gedit ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs ?
[10:58] <Seveas> Alek, using a text editor, like gedit...
[10:58] <timtux> hm, something is wrong. ive tried to install ubuntu on to diffrent internet connections. And still same problem. "Configuring apt" "25%" "Setting upp primary installation repostitory"
[10:58] <Seveas> Alek, no
[10:58] <pestilence> thanks unome, Seveas , uniq
[10:58] <Seveas> nautilus ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs
[10:58] <budluva> someluser, how did you install java apt-get sun-j2re1.5?
[10:58] <geargolem> socomm, yes, I know.
[10:58] <cavediver> Fazer: Then a cd /mnt/whatever and a chroot /, followed by a grub-install /dev/hda
[10:58] <unome> most welcome
[10:58] <someluser> budluva; yes, that's how i did it
[10:58] <Fazer> cavediver: Sweet.  Thanks.  Rebooting now.
[10:58] <Seveas> geargolem, try slocate libjavaplugin
[10:59] <Fazer> Hopefully this goes well.
[10:59] <cavediver> np.
[10:59] <Alek> seveas, where is the ~/.xchat2/ dir located?
[10:59] <SpecialBuddy> is cedega free
[10:59] <socomm> ...
[10:59] <Seveas> Alek, ~ is short for fout home directory
[10:59] <Seveas> SpecialBuddy, no
[10:59] <budluva> someluser, what does java -version say?
[10:59] <SpecialBuddy> oh
[10:59] <Alek> seveasit is noe a folder named ~/.xchat2/ there!
[11:00] <Alek> alekstest
[11:00] <someluser> budluva; gjc-4.0
[11:00] <budluva> Alek, its in your home dir, /home/Alek/.xchat2
[11:00] <Seveas> Alek, no, there will be a .xchat2 folder there...
[11:00] <Alek> seveas no
[11:00] <Seveas> Alek, yes
[11:00] <SpecialBuddy> has anyone here been able to get wine to work
[11:00] <Seveas> but in nautilus you will not see it by default...
[11:00] <budluva> someluser, java version "1.5.0_02" is what mine is saying, somethings wrong with your java install
[11:01] <someluser> i'd imagine so
[11:01] <Alek> Seveas, no it is not there!
[11:01] <someluser> budluva; how do I kill it?
[11:01] <budluva> someluser, how did you install java in the beginning?
[11:01] <someluser> synaptic
[11:01] <socomm> !restricted
[11:01] <ubotu> methinks restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:01] <Seveas> Alek, in a terminal you type: ls -al ~ | grep xchat
[11:01] <socomm> budluva: Follow that link.
[11:01] <budluva> someluser, you updated lately? try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:02] <someluser> do it every other hour
[11:02] <someluser> nothing
[11:02] <budluva> someluser, no errors when you removed it or azureus?
[11:02] <someluser> nope
[11:02] <budluva> socomm, ???
[11:03] <someluser> budluva; wait
[11:03] <budluva> socomm budluva: Follow that link.
[11:03] <Alek> seveas, and now?
[11:03] <Seveas> Alek, what did that say..?
[11:03] <socomm> budluva: Forget it, I misread your comment.
[11:03] <Alek> 2sec
[11:03] <someluser> budluva; I hadn't updated since I added the backbort mirror
[11:04] <someluser> it has a huge list of stuff now
[11:04] <budluva> someluser, ahh :P
[11:04] <Alek> seveas, is it any way to copy from terminal?
[11:05] <Seveas> Alek, select it with the mouse and hit <ctrl><shift><c>
[11:05] <on> hi
[11:05] <Alek> ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs
[11:05] <Alek> no
[11:05] <socomm> Alek: Higlight the text, than paste the text by clicking the center button.
[11:06] <Alek> seveas, it will not be copied with that...
[11:06] <on> how to add sources to apt? i would like to install enlightenment, but it's not included on ubuntu cd
[11:06] <Alek> seveas, it just come a  new line..
[11:07] <concept10> is there such a file as /etc/sudoers?
[11:07] <cavediver> on: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:07] <cavediver> concept10: yes.
[11:07] <jblack_> please oh please work parted rescue. :)
[11:07] <on> thx
[11:08] <concept10> cavediver, is this file empty by default?
[11:08] <cavediver> concept10: Mine is 374 bytes
[11:08] <concept10> cavediver, nevermind I had to run sudo the view it. thanks
[11:09] <cavediver> ok
[11:09] <cavediver> I hate sudo. First thing I did was to create a regular pw for root.
[11:10] <CarlFK> what is a "multiseat system"?
[11:10] <tiredbones> :q
[11:10] <CarlFK> and why can't the hoary installer configue mine?
[11:10] <sarah> what is the meaning of "end from FAM server connection"
[11:11] <dougsk> CarlFK, generally it's a term used for proprietary software, allowing you to install it multiple times to the extent of the license
[11:12] <dougsk> CarlFK, I'm not aware of anything in the hoary installer that give that kind of response.  Anyone else?
[11:12] <Alek> seveas, pm...
[11:12] <on> well, i think ubuntu is not easier to use than debian :) excuse me but it's my opinion
[11:12] <Alek> Any one here who can help me to set windows to boot first?
[11:12] <cavediver> on: I think it's basically the same :=)
[11:12] <pinko> just depends on what apps you're dealing with.
[11:13] <on> and depends on your knowledge
[11:13] <CarlFK> Alek - how about booting the last OS used?  (it is easier)
[11:13] <CarlFK> dougsk - "configure a multiseat system" is one of the steps - guessing I got dropped into expert mode
[11:13] <Alek> CarlFK tou mean?
[11:13] <Alek> you*
[11:14] <CarlFK> dougsk -I am also guessing it has to do witht he2nd nic it ofund
[11:14] <dougsk> CarlFK, maybe that has to do with the uh kickstart support?  I've not used it tbh
[11:14] <CarlFK> Alek - my box is set so that if I re-boot, I go back to the OS I was in when I rebooted
[11:14] <Alek> box?
[11:14] <CarlFK> Alek - grub can remember your last pick and default to that
[11:14] <Alek> ok
[11:14] <CarlFK> box = laptop
[11:15] <tiredbones> Apache2 is looking for libphp4.so in /etc/apache2/modules/, but synaptic put it in "usr/lib/apache2/modules/". Would there be any problem in moving all the modules to  "/etc/apache2/modules/"/
[11:15] <Alek> but how to get it boot from xp first....?
[11:15] <SliderMan> how to run sh files?
[11:15] <cavediver> SliderMan: sh file
[11:16] <Alek> CarlFK, ?
[11:16] <CarlFK> Alek - edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, find the line that says "default 0" and change it to "default X" where X is the # of your XP optioin
[11:16] <dougsk> Alek, look at /boot/grub/menu.1st file it's commented nm CarlFK got it
[11:17] <Alek> shall i change 0 with X ?
[11:17] <CarlFK> Alek - or change it to "default saved" and it will do what it says on the line above it.
[11:17] <CarlFK> Alek - yes, where X is the # of your XP optioin
[11:17] <Alek> # =
[11:17] <Alek> ?
[11:17] <korCZiz> in which dir should i use mkcramfs to create initrd file?
[11:18] <cavediver> X is the number of your XP entry in menu.lst
[11:18] <CarlFK> if you don't get that, just do "defalult saved" ;)
[11:18] <cavediver> Like 1,2 or even 3 :)
[11:18] <cavediver> You have to look.
[11:18] <korCZiz> when i used mkinitrd than he dont produced any initrd.img file
[11:18] <Alek> carlfk, will it auto starts form xp when i booting my pc??
[11:19] <CarlFK> sometimes ;)
[11:19] <Alek> carlfk, sometimes?
[11:19] <CarlFK> Alek - edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, find the line that says "default 0" and read the 2 lines above it
[11:19] <Alek> ok
[11:20] <korCZiz> has somebody tried compiling kernel 2.6.10 or 2.6.12-1 on ubuntu?
[11:20] <Alek> i'll be back
[11:20] <Alek> rebooting
[11:20] <cavediver> korCZiz: I use 2.6.12, but I'm on Breezy so it's packaged..
[11:20] <cavediver> :)
[11:20] <korCZiz> cavediver: i have problems with creating initrd.img file
[11:20] <Dj_AlTeK> hey ne1 know how to get .mp3
[11:21] <Dj_AlTeK> hey ne1 know how to get .mp3's playing ??
[11:21] <cavediver> huh?
[11:21] <jbroome> apt-get install xmms
[11:21] <cavediver> apt-get install xmms
[11:21] <jbroome> he
[11:21] <jbroome> h
[11:21] <Dj_AlTeK> thanx
[11:21] <korCZiz> cavediver: when i typed and run mkinitrd than he didnt created initrd.img
[11:21] <cavediver> Ok. Dunnu, was a long time since I compiled my own kernels..
[11:21] <douglas> is there a manual way to change res in xorg using a terminal?
[11:21] <korCZiz> cavediver: how can i create initrd.img by using mkcramfs ?
[11:21] <jbroome> there's probably a dictionary application that has 'anyone' in it too
[11:22] <cavediver> Can't help you there..
[11:22] <jo> how to instal apt-get install limewire
[11:22] <jo>  wont work?
[11:22] <cavediver> Meybe it's not there.
[11:22] <cavediver> apt-cache search limewire sais what ?
[11:22] <zyth> jo, download the RPM from Limewire.com, use alien to make it a deb, dpkg -i limewire.deb
[11:23] <someluser> budluva; azureus, in spite of all we did, crapped out again
[11:23] <sarah> what is the meaning of "end from FAM server connection"
[11:23] <Dj_AlTeK> ok i got xmms, now that i click on my mp3
[11:23] <Dj_AlTeK> freakin a!
[11:23] <delire> someluser: it's very buggy these days..
[11:23] <cavediver> Dj_AlTeK: huh ?
[11:23] <jo> wel a have olmost all runin gnomeeting not its u bug i think its all over the net andt xaxwt wont scan so must bij v4l1 thing what brok in urbuntu
[11:23] <Fazer> cavediver: Hmm, I am having trouble mounting my linux partition.  It says ext2 isn't a valid fs type.
[11:23] <korCZiz> i  cannot use new compiled kernel because i am not able create appropiate initrd.img file. is here somebody who was the same problems with compiling and using new kernel?
[11:23] <cavediver> Fazer: hmmm... reallt..
[11:23] <lsuactiafner> Dj_AlTeK : run xmms and use xmms like you would winamp
[11:23] <Fazer> cavediver: Also, it says grub-install isn't a valid command.  Do I have to apt-get it?
[11:24] <Fazer> cavediver: Yeah, I am rebooting again with my network card in.
[11:24] <Fazer> (rebooting in livecd)
[11:24] <cavediver> Fazer: no it should be there but you can't run it unless mounted and chrooted
[11:24] <caonex> Seveas, are you there?
[11:24] <imaek> How can I get gFTP to support SFTP?
[11:24] <Seveas> caonex, what a timing
[11:24] <Seveas> i just returned :)
[11:24] <jo> stil find gentoo smooter but its oke beter than suse en fedora
[11:24] <Alek> carlfk?
[11:24] <Fazer> cavediver: Can't I use the install cd to do a recovery or something?
[11:25] <Alek> carlfk, its still booting from ubuntu
[11:25] <cavediver> Fazer: don't think so...
[11:25] <caonex> Seveas, hehe, i see that, i just want to ask you something real quick, remember me from yesterday?
[11:25] <Seveas> Fazer, yes
[11:25] <Seveas> Fazer, boot with the 'rescue' boot parameter
[11:25] <Dj_AlTeK> well i apt-get install xmms, but i cant find the folder or file
[11:25] <CarlFK> Alek - did you pick XP, or just let it boot?
[11:25] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, /usr/bin/xmms :)
[11:25] <Dj_AlTeK> thanx seveas
[11:25] <delire> Dj_AlTeK: type xmms on the command line
[11:25] <Seveas> caonex, ask away :)
[11:25] <Fazer> Seveas: Oh? Will it fix up my GRUB thign that the XP installer fscked up?
[11:25] <Alek> carlfk, first boot xp, then let it boot
[11:25] <cavediver> Dj_AlTeK: It should be in the menu. If not, try killall gnome-panel and check in the menu again :)
[11:25] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, applications -> sound & video -> xmms
[11:25] <Seveas> (in gnome)
[11:26] <Seveas> Fazer, you will have to do that manually iirc
[11:26] <Dj_AlTeK> ah i see it now thanx seveas
[11:26] <Fazer> Seveas: Will the rescue allow me to mount my hard drive and run the commands that cavediver told me to run?
[11:26] <CarlFK> Alek - /boot/grub/menu.lst, does it say "savedefault
[11:26] <CarlFK> er
[11:26] <Seveas> Fazer, yes
[11:26] <BoD_SWAT> imaek, do you mean SFTP or SSL ? (sftp should be supported, standard)
[11:26] <CarlFK> Alek - /boot/grub/menu.lst, does it say "savedefault" as part of the XP section?
[11:26] <Fazer> Seveas: Ah, I see.
[11:27] <BoD_SWAT> Alek, does Grub work now?
[11:27] <Alek> CarlFK, # You can specify 'saved' instead of a number. In this case, the default entry
[11:27] <Alek> # is the entry saved with the command 'savedefault'.
[11:27] <Alek> default		X
[11:27] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, if you don't get any sound from xmms, try this:
[11:28] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[11:28] <Alek> bod_swat, yes..., but i cant get it boot xp first...
[11:28] <Dj_AlTeK> i tried to get it to play and it just froze
[11:28] <concept10> On a new install of Ubuntu, the resolution is always set TOO high, and it causes alot of vertical lines how do I make it default 1024x768?
[11:28] <BoD_SWAT> Alek, but if it is 2nd or 3rd it works?
[11:28] <CarlFK> Alek - /boot/grub/menu.lst, does it say "savedefault" as part of the XP section?
[11:28] <caonex> Seveas, well my gdm was crashing and my computer freezing. You told me that this usually happens with bad memory and commanded me to run memtest, and cut it after an hour. I did that and turns out memory is fine. Also, I told you about a little warning voltage report regarding the +5.0 that was turning out to be around 4.5. So I suspected that that was the problem and you told me it may be the PS. Well, right now i am logged in in another acc
[11:28] <caonex> ount and gdm has not crashed. So i am thinking some of my configuration files are broken, whre can i see which ones to delete them?
[11:29] <cmatheson> concept10, edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and remove the resolutions you don't like from the "Screen" section
[11:29] <imaek> BoD_SWAT: I was confused.  I wanted SFTP (like, as in the sftp command), but in gFTP, it's called SSH.  I typed in the wrong IP, and so I thought that wasn't it, so I started researching.  It's working now.
[11:29] <concept10> cmatheson, thanks
[11:29] <Alek> carlfk, no
[11:29] <Dj_AlTeK> got it workin thanx seveas
[11:29] <BoD_SWAT> imaek, okay N-joy :D
[11:29] <Alek> carlfk, shall i remove it from ubuntu, and set it on xp?
[11:29] <jo> http://onedegree-128.mysticradio.com/listen.pls
[11:29] <cavediver> I want to have ssl support in gftp.. :/
[11:29] <cavediver> Anyone have a better ftp client perhaps ?
[11:30] <Alek> smartftp
[11:30] <imaek> BoD_SWAT: it certainly makes transferring files accross a network easier. :D
[11:30] <cavediver> A gui one please
[11:30] <BoD_SWAT> cavediver, you're out of luck
[11:30] <cavediver> :)
[11:30] <Corical> hmm
[11:30] <BoD_SWAT> cavediver, you'll need "ftp-ssl"
[11:30] <BoD_SWAT> it's TUI only
[11:30] <CarlFK> Alek - add savedefault to the XP section (near the bottem of the file)
[11:30] <cavediver> gftp is fine, however it doen't handle download and browsing at the same time :)
[11:30] <Seveas> caonex, it would be very weird for personal settings to crash GDM...
[11:30] <Alek> tok
[11:31] <Alek> ok
[11:31] <Corical> jonas !
[11:31] <jo> how to switch to testing
[11:31] <Fazer> cavediver: okay, i am on the live cd now.
[11:31] <Alek> carlfk, will it boot from xp then?
[11:31] <BoD_SWAT> cavediver, gftp doens't support SSL (only SSH)
[11:31] <Fazer> cavediver: i looked at the dmesg and this is what I get when I try to mount my linux partition
[11:31] <Fazer> EXT2-fs: hda2: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (4).
[11:31] <concept10> cmatheson, are you pretty familar with that .conf?
[11:31] <cavediver> Fazer: ok. It was a while since I did this so have patiance :)
[11:31] <caonex> Seveas, well i do not see any toher explanation for this user to be fine and mine, to crash.
[11:31] <Fazer> cavediver: sure thing.
[11:32] <Seveas> caonex, indeed, very odd... I suspect it's somewhere in .gnome / .gconf
[11:32] <cmatheson> concept10, yeah
[11:32] <cavediver> Fazer: That seems odd, are you sure you have your linux on /dev/hda2 ?
[11:32] <Fazer> cavediver: yes, even fdisk shows it to be so.
[11:32] <cavediver> Fazer: start the partitioner and check.
[11:32] <cavediver> ahh ok
[11:32] <cavediver> :)
[11:32] <cmatheson> concept10, just skip down to the part that says 'Section "Screen"'
[11:32] <cavediver> and a mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/X gives ?
[11:33] <concept10> cmatheson, I configured this system with my monitor - it is going to be used with another monitor, can I delete the monitor info safely?
[11:33] <Fazer> cavediver:
[11:33] <Fazer> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/
[11:33] <BoD_SWAT> cavediver, Tip1: use "ftp-ssl". Tip2: If you want a GUI, try to get a SFTP account, because that works with GFTP
[11:33] <Fazer> missing codepage or other error
[11:33] <Alek> BOD_SWAT, what did you say for a hour ago??
[11:33] <Alek> bod_swat, to get xp first
[11:33] <cmatheson> concept10, you have to have at least one Monitor section in there.  If you want to delete the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines it shouldn't be aproblem though
[11:33] <cavediver> Fazer: I can't remember having problems with that part...hmmm
[11:33] <yuacht> i'm using 32bit ubuntu but i'm on a 64-bit processor and i'm gonna compile an own kernel.. can i compile it as x86_64?
[11:34] <Alek> carlfk?
[11:34] <BoD_SWAT> Alek, my part of my Grub boot file (Windows is at 2nd spot)      http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/265
[11:34] <delire> cavediver: sounds like windows has hosed his inode table/ block counts or similar.
[11:34] <Fazer> cavediver: yeah, i wasnt expecting any.
[11:34] <xryy> if i try to install apt package
[11:34] <concept10> cmatheson, how do I configure for new monitor once I hook it up? is there something that could recognize the other monitor
[11:34] <xryy> i get a errorline like this
[11:34] <caonex> Seveas, should i delete .gnome dir and let settings to create themselves again?
[11:34] <xryy> dpkg: tolkingsfeil, i fila /var/lib/dpkg/available nr linje 1760 pakken gconf-editor:
[11:34] <Fazer> Seveas: Maybe you can shed some light on the problem?
[11:35] <xryy>  Depends-felt, referanse til libesd-alsa0: versjon inneholder  
[11:35] <n3x> Hey... is anyone using linux-image-2.6.11 ? I wanted to switch from 2.6.10-5 to it but after it boots and I log in my laptop freezes just before loading the gnome panel... is anyone familiar w/ this ?
[11:35] <Alek> bod_swat, ok
[11:35] <Alek> BYE
[11:35] <katzor> hi all, i try to create a deb package but it fails to sign it
[11:35] <cmatheson> concept10, X can usually just probe that kind of stuff on it's own (you don't necessarily need any info in there), but you could also look up the new monitors information on the web and stick it in there now
[11:35] <Seveas> caonex, you will loose a lot of settings if you do that...
[11:35] <virtuald> yuacht: it should work. always keep at least one old kernel, just in case.
[11:35] <Seveas> but it would be a good try
[11:35] <cavediver> Fazer: try mount -s
[11:35] <Fazer> cavediver: same error.
[11:35] <concept10> cmatheson, i read this in the file:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:35] <Fazer> cavediver: wrong fs type.
[11:36] <cavediver> and you have ext2, and not ext3 ?
[11:36] <Fazer> cavediver: yeah, I have ext2
[11:36] <Fazer> But fdisk shows /hda2 as Linux
[11:36] <xryy> can anyone help me?
[11:36] <Fazer> it doesn't show it as ext2 or anything like that.
[11:36] <xryy> please?
[11:36] <cavediver> Yes but that's ok
[11:36] <delire> xryy: i'd like to help but unfortunately i don't have character support for norweigen and so what you wrote is full of many strange characters! is there an ubuntu-no channel or similar?
[11:36] <cmatheson> concept10, yeah, if you don't want to edit the file by hand, you can run that command and it will step you through the process
[11:37] <boomer77> hi - could someone please help me - I just installed ubuntu and now I need to create some more partitions
[11:37] <CarlFK> boomer77 - why more?
[11:37] <korCZiz> anybody who now how to use mkcramfs to creating initr.img, pleeeeaaaaze?
[11:37] <xryy> hm
[11:37] <delire> Fazer: when did this happen?
[11:37] <concept10> cmatheson, thanks for the insight on that
[11:37] <cavediver> Fazer: -v for verbose. Maybe you get some more messages..
[11:37] <xryy> delire: i can try to translate
[11:37] <Fazer> delire: when did what?  I used XP Setup and then it messed up my MBR
[11:37] <boomer77> thanks calrfk - i am setting up a Samba server
[11:37] <Fazer> delire: and now I am using the live cd to repare it
[11:37] <n3x> so... is anyone using linux-image-2.6.11 ?
[11:38] <Seveas> korCZiz, you should not manually compile a kernel or make an initrd, use make-kpkg
[11:38] <boomer77> and i want to be able to assign windows drive letters to various partitions
[11:38] <Fazer> cavediver: wait, wtf.  I am sure it was ext 2 , but I used ext3 and it worked!
[11:38] <xryy> delire: everytime i try to install a package, i get a error like this
[11:38] <delire> Fazer: i believe it's hosed your block count and so while it might identify as ext2, it may not be useable as such.
[11:38] <Fazer> cavediver: okay, so now I am in /mnt/test/
[11:38] <caonex> Seveas, I know but I am willing to do that because i can get them again...
[11:38] <CarlFK> boomer77 - um... no you don't ;)
[11:38] <cavediver> Fazer: Do you see the root files and so on...
[11:38] <caonex> Seveas, and it crashes anyways
[11:38] <boomer77> why not ?
[11:38] <Fazer> delire: I speicifed ext3 as the type when mount and it works I think
[11:38] <Fazer> cavediver: yes
[11:38] <CarlFK> boomer77 - you assing drive letters to shares
[11:38] <Seveas> caonex, well, by all means, try it :)
[11:38] <xryy> dpkg have troubles understanding in file /var/lib/dpkg/avaible in line 1760 package gconf-editor:
[11:38] <delire> Fazer: ok, good luck with it all!
[11:38] <Fazer> cavediver: I can see my home dir and everything.
[11:38] <boomer77> o.k. - but the partitions will be set up as shared
[11:38] <Fazer> delire: thanks man
[11:39] <boomer77> o.k. - but the partitions will be set up as shares
[11:39] <CarlFK> boomer77 - a share "could" be a partition, but it could be any dir
[11:39] <cavediver> Fazer: ok. While standing in /mnt/test, write chroot /  (I think it was so anyway :=
[11:39] <nukleides> Hi, i got a 56k-USB-Modem it works well, but after every reboot it's powered os, and i have to plug out, plug in...
[11:39] <Fazer> cavediver: heh
[11:39] <xryy> Depends-field, reference to libesd-alsa0: version contains << >>
[11:39] <xryy> do you understand, delire ?
[11:39] <Fazer> cavediver: with sudo you mean?
[11:39] <Fazer> cavediver: I tried sudo chroot / and it seems to work.
[11:39] <CarlFK> boomer77 - actualy, you can't realy share "a partition" - you would have to mount the partition under a dir and share that.  so forget the partition idea and just share any ol' dir
[11:39] <cavediver> Yes. Try a cd /
[11:39] <boomer77> o.k. - i have 80 GB available and when i type in n and press enter to create a new partition the first cylinder is 4501
[11:40] <cavediver> Are you still in the root ?
[11:40] <Fazer> cavediver: i think I am in the root of the live cd stuff now
[11:40] <caonex> Seveas, ok
[11:40] <boomer77> and so I press enter to accpt this
[11:40] <cavediver> Fazer: Then it was wrong...
[11:40] <Fazer> cavediver: but my shell changed to a #
[11:40] <delire> xryy: ok, do this: 'apt-get update && apt-get install gconf-editor' and paste the output to a pastebin online for me.
[11:40] <Fazer> cavediver: when I type whoami it says root
[11:40] <cavediver> Fazer: Try a chroot /mnt/test /
[11:40] <Fazer> cavediver: oh ok
[11:41] <cavediver> I can't remember the exact syntax for chroot
[11:41] <nukleides> Hi, i got a 56k-USB-Modem it works well, but after every reboot it's powered off, and i have to plug out, plug in... any idea?
[11:41] <Fazer> cavediver: permission denied, even with sudo.
[11:41] <boomer77> for last cyl, the default value is 4502, which is just one cyl larger than the starting cyl
[11:41] <delire> xryy: use this one to paste the results: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[11:41] <Fazer> cavediver: why do I need chroot anyways?
[11:41] <boomer77> i want to specify something llike +2000M and it says the value is out of range
[11:41] <CarlFK> boomer77 - how many cyl's on the drive?
[11:41] <delire> xryy: what exactly are you trying to install by the way?
[11:42] <boomer77> thanks CarlFK - 14,946
[11:42] <cavediver> So your paths and such points to your linux install and not the live cd. Grub-install is on the live cd aswedd. However you want to run it from /dev/hda2
[11:42] <Fazer> cavediver: and the other problem is that grub-install isn't a valid command
[11:42] <boomer77> i have three primary partitions and an extended partition with 3 logical drives
[11:42] <boomer77> is there a maximum to the number of logical drives that I can create in an extended partition ?
[11:43] <Fazer> Does anyone else know how I can fix my MBR so its back to as it was before?
[11:43] <cavediver> Fazer: I think once you have a valid chrrot, the path to grub.install would be correct
[11:43] <CarlFK> boomer77 - yeah, 4 (i think)
[11:43] <Fazer> cavediver: okay, but when i type `grub-install`
[11:43] <boomer77> is that 4 for the max. of logical partitions ?
[11:43] <Fazer> it doesn't do anything.
[11:43] <CarlFK> boomer77 - but more than 3 for sure.
[11:43] <nalioth> boomer77: no limit (that i know of)
[11:43] <boomer77> in an extended partition ?
[11:43] <cavediver> Fazer: maybe you can try navigating to /mnt/test/sbin
[11:43] <delire> Fazer: try 'whereis grub-install'
[11:43] <CarlFK> nalioth - there is some limit.  it works out to 32 total
[11:43] <xryy> delire: it doesn't matter
[11:43] <cavediver> Fazer: And from there run grub-install /dev/hda
[11:44] <boomer77> thanks to both of you for your help so far
[11:44] <delire> xryy: did it work?
[11:44] <nalioth> boomer77: i have 13 partitions in my extended area
[11:44] <CarlFK> boomer77 - 4 "main" and i think 8 extend4ed
[11:44] <cyphase> hey everyone
[11:44] <xryy> i get that error message if i try to install anything
[11:44] <nalioth> CarlFK: idk, but more than i'll ever use
[11:44] <xryy> everytime i use apt-get
[11:44] <Fazer> cavediver: in sbin/ there is no grub-install
[11:44] <boomer77> o.k., so the number of logical drives in the extended probably isn't the problem
[11:44] <Seveas> cavediver, there is a little caveat there, you will have to mount -o bind /dev /mnt/chroot/dev
[11:44] <delire> xryy: paste the error to the URL i gave you above so i can read it all in a browser. i can probably help.
[11:44] <xryy> delire: do you need the apt-get update output also?
[11:44] <delire> xryy: no..
[11:44] <boomer77> in ubuntu - do i need to boot to rescue mode to run fdisk and create partitions ?
[11:45] <CarlFK> boomer77 - are you chatting from the same box?
[11:45] <boomer77> no a different box
[11:45] <delire> xryy: unless of course there's an error with the apt-get update also.
[11:45] <CarlFK> boomer77 - no.  sudo fdisk is fine
[11:45] <cavediver> Fazer: really ? If you have grub as your bootloader then grub.install should exixt...
[11:45] <delire> Fazer: 'whereis grub-install'
[11:45] <lynx> anyone knows how can i change my desktop icons size?
[11:45] <cavediver> or locate grub-install
[11:45] <CarlFK> boomer77 - rats.  I would like to see what fdisk -l /dev/hdX says
[11:45] <cavediver> Mine is in /sbin
[11:46] <boomer77> i am used to red hat (sorry if that bothers anyone), suse, fedora and mandrake
[11:46] <Fazer> root@ubuntu:/sbin# whereis grub-install
[11:46] <Fazer> grub-install:
[11:46] <lynx> anyone knows how can i change my desktop icons size?
[11:46] <boomer77> do I need to run:   sudo   in front of fdisk ?
[11:46] <xryy> delire: http://pastebin.com/304900
[11:46] <Fazer> cavediver: well, i am sure I use Grub since that is what I see when I load up.
[11:46] <delire> Fazer: locate grub-install (as cavediver wisely suggests)
[11:46] <CarlFK> boomer77 - yes.  but I don't think that is your current problem
[11:46] <Fazer> delire: locate doesn't work.
[11:46] <delire> xryy: ok thanks.
[11:47] <delire> Fazer: updatedb && locate grub-install
[11:47] <cavediver> Fazer: This is really strange. Are you in the sbin of the mount and not the live.cd ?
[11:47] <Fazer> cavediver: correct.
[11:47] <boomer77> i ran:   init  1   to change into runlevel 1 so that X would not be running - was this useful ?
[11:47] <IFRFLYR> Hi, I am trying to Load ubuntu live on a centrino HP dv4000;  the loading process works fine and there's nothing in dmesg BUT gnome session does not work - the machine is up and running when I ALT+F[x]  but blank on ALT+F7
[11:47] <Fazer> urgh fucking hell
[11:47] <topyli> lynx: system -> preferences -> font, would you believe :)
[11:48] <cavediver> Fazer: MBR restoring is a oain sometimes..
[11:48] <cavediver> ain
[11:48] <delire> Fazer: as you can see XP really doesn't like other OS's on board :(
[11:48] <cavediver> pain
[11:48] <Fazer> cavediver: you were right, i was silly i was in the live cd.
[11:48] <delire> xryy: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[11:48] <Fazer> cavediver: okay
[11:48] <Fazer> cavediver: so, should it be /dev/hda ?
[11:48] <Fazer> or /dev/hda2 ?
[11:48] <cavediver> Yes, that's the MBR
[11:48] <lynx> topyli, this changes the font size, i'd like to change the icon size
[11:49] <cavediver> I have grub in my MBR.
[11:49] <delire> xryy: try that
[11:49] <lynx> =] 
[11:49] <IFRFLYR> I tried CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE killing X and starting it again, nothing doing
[11:49] <Fazer> damn it
[11:49] <cavediver> Fazer: you might get a error here.
[11:49] <Fazer> cavediver: i get this error: //sbin/grub: Not found.
[11:49] <topyli> lynx: ah the icons. right click on one, choose "stretch icon"
[11:49] <cavediver> I know.. Im sure the chroot is a must...
[11:49] <MyQe2> hello good ppl
[11:49] <IFRFLYR> AND I hear the nice "session start" music.
[11:49] <cavediver> I just have to figure this chroot out...
[11:50] <xryy> delire: still the error message
[11:50] <MyQe2> i m  in love in a woman !!! isn't grate!
[11:50] <cavediver> If I want /mnt/x as my / , what's the syntax of chroot ?
[11:50] <delire> xryy: 'apt-get -f install'
[11:50] <xryy> still error
[11:50] <IFRFLYR> Me too...Anyone?
[11:50] <lynx> hm, ty topyli
[11:51] <MyQe2> any way have installed windows xp and now i don't have grab on start up. does anyone know how i can fix that ?
[11:51] <Fazer> cavediver: i think i have to mount /proc
[11:51] <imaek> n
[11:51] <imaek> l
[11:51] <Seveas> cavediver, chroot /mnt/x
[11:51] <delire> xryy: i see you have a few packages not upgraded. why not 'apt-get upgrade' and see if the packages upgraded are among those holding others back?
[11:51] <cavediver> Seveas: ahh !
[11:52] <cavediver> Fazer: Try chroot /mnt/test
[11:52] <imaek> faster faster
[11:52] <xryy> it wont
[11:52] <xryy> i enter the command
[11:52] <Fazer> cavediver: waaay ahead of you.
[11:52] <xryy> and it ask me if i want to continue
[11:52] <cavediver> Fazer: ok :)
[11:52] <xryy> i press Y
[11:52] <delire> xryy: did you 'sudo apt-get upgrade'?
[11:52] <xryy> and the error get back again
[11:53] <xryy> im root
[11:53] <xryy> im in root terminal, i dont need sudo ;)
[11:54] <delire> xryy: how about 'apt-get install --reinstall libesd-alsa0' (i'm trying to read norwiegen here ;)
[11:54] <CarlFK> can I use \ to continue lines in fstab?
[11:54] <xryy> hehe ;)
[11:55] <IFRFLYR> Okay, I'll try again: live disk, centrino notebook HP DV4000, ubuntu boots but gnome gives a blank screen, nothing in dmesg
[11:55] <neighborlee> is there a fix yet for   X  crashing anyone ? ;-) ( checked forums and opinions vary as much as the symptons it seemes LOL)\
[11:55] <xryy> should i paste output?
[11:55] <delire> xryy: yep
[11:55] <dougsk> CarlFK, why not use nano -w /etc/fstab although that would be a handy python trick wouldn't it :)
[11:55] <delire> IFRFLYR: strange.. can you CTRL-ALT-F1?
[11:56] <IFRFLYR> Yes, and he terminal is up and running (that's how I checked dmesg)
[11:56] <IFRFLYR> Oh!
[11:56] <Seveas> neighborlee, 'X crashing' is not a realy good description....
[11:56] <IFRFLYR> One sec. I ALT+f1 to do that.
[11:56] <neighborlee> Seveas, well its so common I thought someone might know..okay I can fix that
[11:56] <xryy> delire: http://pastebin.com/304907
[11:56] <Seveas> IFRFLYR, check ps aux to see if gdm/Xorg are running...
[11:56] <imaek> How can I find out what my Internal IP address is?
[11:57] <Seveas> imaek, ifconfig
[11:57] <delire> xryy: ok checking it out now.
[11:57] <xryy> tell me if you need me to translate something
[11:57] <IFRFLYR> I just rebooted delire, - lemme check in a sec Seveas, thanks for answering
[11:57] <neighborlee> Seveas, running say evolution.it crashes  then gnome-panel fries and desktop along with it..mouse still works as does keyboard but I have no access to anything else other than hard shutdown
[11:57] <imaek> Thanks, Seveas.
[11:57] <Seveas> neighborlee, is this on hoary..?
[11:57] <djm62> does anybody know a guide for getting a generic usb-midi keyboard working on a modern linux distribution?
[11:57] <neighborlee> Seveas, sorry and yes it is
[11:57] <djm62> (my bro got one and I'm dead jealous)
[11:57] <lsuactiafner> whats that condition called when a person laughs @ the wrong times.. like in a scary movie i burst out laughin or when something goes horribly wrng i start smiling?
[11:57] <neighborlee> Seveas, intel, nvidia 3d and gnome
[11:58] <IFRFLYR> Tourettes syndrome Isuactiafner
[11:58] <IFRFLYR> :)
[11:58] <IFRFLYR> You PRICK!
[11:58] <Seveas> neighborlee, have you tried using a different account?, different DE, different drivers...?
[11:58] <lsuactiafner> no man
[11:58] <IFRFLYR> Sorry
[11:58] <lsuactiafner> becuase something bad just happened and i kept smilin and my flatmate got pissed
[11:58] <delire> xryy: can you translate this and the line afterwards for me? "dpkg: tolkingsfeil, i fila /var/lib/dpkg/available nr linje 1760 pakken gconf-editor:" line 1760 of the package gconf-editor.. ?? etc
[11:58] <lsuactiafner> heh
[11:58] <neighborlee> Seveas, yes I tried older 6629 and it still did it eventually..I have not tried anything but gnome...
[11:59] <cavediver> Anyone running Breezy and have a solution to the broken GDM
[11:59] <CarlFK> lsuactiafner - I call that being human ;)
[11:59] <delire> xryy: is it 'near line 1760 of hte package gconf-editor'?
[11:59] <Seveas> neighborlee, try XFCE, it's not such a pain to install (apt-get install xfce4) and try another account
[11:59] <lsuactiafner> heh well got me in shit for not being gloomy
[11:59] <xryy> delire: yes
[11:59] <Seveas> cavediver, yes, don't run breezy :)
[11:59] <lsuactiafner> -ao alsa:device=hw=1.0
[11:59] <neighborlee> Seveas, are there rumors about gnome being possible cause ?
[11:59] <xryy> your making progress in my language ;)
[11:59] <Seveas> neighborlee, not at all
[11:59] <korCZiz> Seveas: make-kpg also didnot produced /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10, i need to do it manualy by using mkcramfs, but i dont know which directory i must pass as one from arg for "mkcramfs" utility....
[12:00] <remyforbes777> whats wrong with breezy
[12:00] <Seveas> the first thing I suspect is the nvidia drivers...