| dholbach | good night | 12:35 |
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| uniq | nite. | 12:35 |
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| uniq | riddell: if you give kdepim 10 minutes to upload. all kde 3.4.1 for amd64 is ready at http://frode.kde.no/hoary-updates/amd64/kde341/ | 10:33 |
| uniq | uploaded. | 10:49 |
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| spierrel | Hi everybody... | 02:34 |
| JRe | hi | 02:48 |
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| pef | hello | 03:56 |
| hunger | qt4 is released... | 03:57 |
| === hunger is anxiously waiting for kde4 now. | ||
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| uniq | nice. :) | 04:02 |
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| hunger | Lets see whether kde will replace dcop now... they were waiting for qt4 to do so IIUC. | 04:28 |
| hunger | and I hope they'll manage to throw out arts for kde 4 as well. | 04:29 |
| JRe | hunger: they are going to replace dcop ?????? | 04:30 |
| hunger | JRe: Yeap... maybe even in time for kde4p | 04:31 |
| hunger | JRe: The Ettrich (sp?) guy claimed that dbus is basically dcop2. | 04:31 |
| \sh | hunger: u mean the one of the founders of KDE? matthias ettrich | 04:32 |
| JRe | uniq: ok ;) whatever they do, it will rock ;) | 04:32 |
| hunger | \sh: Yes that one. | 04:32 |
| \sh | i had his book about kde2 in my hand yesterday ,) was one of my first o'reilly kde books ever..and I think the last one ,) | 04:32 |
| hunger | JRe: Well, KDE has some practice with ripping out the complete communication infrostructure minutes before the release;-) | 04:33 |
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| JRe | hunger: lol ;) | 04:33 |
| hunger | But I'm really curious about kdemm (arts replacement): They want to do some facade for other MM frameworks like gstreamer. | 04:34 |
| hunger | ... the facade is to allow for easy setup and to allow them to switch later (so they do not end up in the same situation as with arts again). | 04:35 |
| JRe | ow good idea | 04:36 |
| JRe | i'll document me a little about kdemm it seems interesting | 04:38 |
| hunger | JRe: There are no papers on the lectures at linuxtag on the web:-( | 04:40 |
| JRe | anyone go to aKademy??? | 04:41 |
| Riddell | yes | 04:41 |
| uniq | riddell: psst. amd64 packages done. | 04:42 |
| Riddell | so I see :) | 04:42 |
| uniq | off to dinner. bbl. | 04:42 |
| JRe | Riddell: i was sure that you would go! you're lucky Malaga is an amazing place! | 04:43 |
| Riddell | http://ktown.kde.org/~hausmann/qt4dance_medium.ogg | 04:46 |
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| froud | does Canonical offer paid support for Kubuntu? | 05:54 |
| uniq | i would guess no. | 05:55 |
| froud | is there a markplace (web site) for company who do provide paid support? | 05:55 |
| froud | s/company/companies | 05:55 |
| uniq | not that i know of. | 05:58 |
| Riddell | froud: chances are if you pay them they'll support anything | 06:00 |
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| uniq | riddell: wake up.. TB meeting. | 07:09 |
| uniq | and koffice is up now. | 07:09 |
| uniq | :) | 07:09 |
| froud | http://lnix.net/~froud/ updated main changes made to Kubuntu User Guide | 08:29 |
| uniq | nice, i'll have a look. | 08:31 |
| froud | cool, anyone is welcome to colaborate on these documents | 08:32 |
| froud | src can be checkout from https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk | 08:33 |
| uniq | my written english isn't that good.. i'll just give others more work in correcting my spellingmistakes :) | 08:33 |
| froud | well you dont need to be a shakespear, the team will fix any problems | 08:34 |
| froud | ideas and comments are also a big help | 08:34 |
| uniq | i'll start with ideas and comments :) | 08:35 |
| froud | cool, whatever you're comfortable with | 08:35 |
| mart | froud: http://rafb.net/paste/results/a3avG310.html | 08:56 |
| froud | mart: thanks dude | 08:56 |
| mart | just a few things that don't 'parse' very well, and a wrong graphic | 08:56 |
| mart | Not sure about the apostrophe in "Displays a list of filters arranged by possible package status'." | 08:57 |
| froud | cool | 08:58 |
| froud | mart patch applied in svn | 09:02 |
| froud | mart: the apos is correct denoting plural | 09:12 |
| mart | yeah.. I just wasn't sure whether it was better to use package status in the singular | 09:14 |
| mart | eg. you might arrange something by number, not by numbers | 09:14 |
| mart | but I guess it works both ways | 09:15 |
| mart | (it wasn't in the patch anyway) | 09:15 |
| froud | the package can have multiple statuses (status') | 09:15 |
| froud | According to Chicago Manual of Style it is correct, but according to the Sunday Times it is wrong :-) | 09:15 |
| froud | thanks though for the patch | 09:16 |
| mart | can it? The filters look mutually exclusive | 09:16 |
| mart | no, you're right. they're not | 09:16 |
| mart | btw, it would be good to say what it means for a package to be 'locked' | 09:17 |
| froud | Hmmm good idea, write it and I'll patch it | 09:18 |
| mart | cool | 09:18 |
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| KaiL | OpenOffice.org 2.0 or KOffice 1.4 - hmm, already a decission? | 09:53 |
| KaiL | KOffice = small. fast; but not 100% stable and (that's the worst) the MSO import is way to bad | 09:54 |
| uniq | hm.. no, not decided yet afaik. there was a discussion about it in the TB meeting today.. but no decission made. | 09:55 |
| KaiL | OOo = more stable, better MSO support (still far away from 100%); but very big and incredible slow | 09:55 |
| uniq | but i think oo.o is the one with most pros. | 09:55 |
| KaiL | would be interesting, if 2.0 final will be faster than the current beta in breezy | 09:56 |
| uniq | according to the (few) posts in kubuntu-users@ and the discussion during the TB-meeting i got the feeling oo.o is what'll be in breezy. but riddell is making a 'spec' to list the pros and cons for both alternatives. | 09:57 |
| uniq | and then there will be a new discussion, probably resulting in a decission. | 09:58 |
| KaiL | the question is, what we need more, MSO compatibility or being usable on slow computers | 09:58 |
| uniq | i can't speak for others than my self.. but MSO compability is high on my list for a office suite. | 09:59 |
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| pef | hello | 09:59 |
| uniq | hi pef. | 09:59 |
| KaiL | who did the kdebluetooth package for hoary? is there one for breezy yet? | 10:00 |
| uniq | kail: the next on my list is stability. users think stable once someone says the word linux. we don't want to destroy that good reputation by adding software that crashes often. | 10:00 |
| uniq | kail: motaboy i think. | 10:00 |
| uniq | and for breezy i don't know. | 10:01 |
| KaiL | if I read the commends, both aren't REALLY stable | 10:01 |
| uniq | people have experienced that kpresenter can't read it's own filetype, etc.. that's serious problems. | 10:02 |
| KaiL | got some similar comment about oo2 Writer | 10:03 |
| uniq | ok, we'll see when riddell get the spec up. afaik oo.o is already chosen for ubuntu.. so they consider it useable.. or to become useable. | 10:04 |
| uniq | useable as in good enought MSO compatibility and stable. | 10:05 |
| KaiL | MSO compatibility can't be "good enough" imho | 10:06 |
| uniq | I really don't have strong feelings for any of them. koffice would be great to promote KDE software. But i think it'll scare people away if it's crashing and such. | 10:07 |
| KaiL | we had enough stability problems with KDE 3.4.0 | 10:07 |
| uniq | agreed. | 10:07 |
| uniq | krita is nice though.. should include that. | 10:08 |
| KaiL | yes, that for sure | 10:10 |
| KaiL | what about kivio? | 10:11 |
| KaiL | another app without something similar in OO | 10:12 |
| uniq | yeah, i know.. but does it need to be on the CD? that's the question. | 10:12 |
| uniq | it'll all go into universe or maybe main. | 10:12 |
| KaiL | the localisations are at meast more important | 10:20 |
| KaiL | every single untranslated word is a big argument against kubuntu | 10:20 |
| uniq | i know. | 10:21 |
| uniq | once we start to use rosetta it'll be easier to translate stuff. | 10:22 |
| KaiL | the kde apps are quite good translated afaik, but have you ever seen localised manpages? most are awefull outdated | 10:22 |
| hunger | KaiL: kivio is useless without stencils... and you are asked to buy those. | 10:28 |
| KaiL | ah, ok | 10:29 |
| KaiL | ...so forget it, until there are no free ones | 10:29 |
| hunger | KaiL: There are a couple of free ones, but they look ugly and are hard to use. | 10:29 |
| hunger | KaiL: The stencil builder is proprietary... | 10:30 |
| hunger | KaiL: Damn Kompany:-( | 10:31 |
| KaiL | looks like something to fix later | 10:32 |
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| uniq | riddell: do you have the time to copy the amd64 package for kde 3.4.1 and koffice 1.4 to kubuntu.org? | 11:44 |
| Riddell | dev.kubuntu.org.uk has mysteriously gone down | 11:44 |
| uniq | oh. | 11:44 |
| Riddell | may need to go on a late night cycle ride | 11:44 |
| uniq | kubuntu.org works for me. | 11:44 |
| uniq | if that has anything to do with anything. | 11:45 |
| Riddell | that's separate | 11:45 |
| uniq | ok. | 11:45 |
| Riddell | but I work on dev.kubuntu, kubuntu.org is behind a firewall, can't wget stuff | 11:45 |
| uniq | ok. understand. | 11:45 |
| uniq | i have kio-locate ready for review too. it's at the new nice REVU site. | 11:46 |
| allee | about koffice: how about pkg with debug=full to get stacktraces? | 11:49 |
| allee | put it on a page with a short page what to expect and what not and ask to use the debs and send debug infos. | 11:50 |
| uniq | sounds like a good idea. | 11:50 |
| allee | koffice-1.4 branch get's 1-2 fixes a day. I guess koffice developers are keen to get more feedback. | 11:51 |
| uniq | if i'm going to build more amd64 debs now is the time. while my livecd-pbuilder-setup is still running. | 11:51 |
| allee | Another idea is maybe to ask a ko devel of search web for what bug/crash infos are needed, add this to webpage to | 11:52 |
| allee | to enhance bug report quality | 11:52 |
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| allee | ah, and last but not least. Never post the sources.list line. Only a ref to the web page so people (hopefully) read the short intro ;) | 11:53 |
| allee | FWIW: I use koffice almost exclusively kwork, kpresenter admitted only for simple thing and I can remember a single crash | 11:53 |
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