[12:35] good night [12:35] nite. === KabelKasper [~vloechte@i5387D0DB.versanet.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === m-fox [~m-fox@port-212-202-8-124.dynamic.qsc.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === \sh is now known as \sh_away === froud [~sean@ndn-165-143-84.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === m-fox [~m-fox@port-212-202-8-124.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [~Bond@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === m-fox [~m-fox@port-212-202-8-124.dynamic.qsc.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === \sh_away is now known as \sh === hunger [~hunger@p54A639EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:33] riddell: if you give kdepim 10 minutes to upload. all kde 3.4.1 for amd64 is ready at http://frode.kde.no/hoary-updates/amd64/kde341/ [10:49] uploaded. === JRe [~Bond@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [~Bond@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === uniqwork [~9e705402@213.184.199.55] has joined #kubuntu-devel === froud [~froud@ndn-165-143-84.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [~hunger@p54A639EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["...] === hunger [~hunger@p54A639EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [~hunger@p54A639EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["...] === hunger [~hunger@p54A639EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === spierrel [~spierrel@80.125.215.54] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:34] Hi everybody... [02:48] hi === JRe [~Bond@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pef [~pef@erodia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:56] hello [03:57] qt4 is released... === hunger is anxiously waiting for kde4 now. === JRee [~Bond@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:02] nice. :) === JRee is now known as JRe [04:28] Lets see whether kde will replace dcop now... they were waiting for qt4 to do so IIUC. [04:29] and I hope they'll manage to throw out arts for kde 4 as well. [04:30] hunger: they are going to replace dcop ?????? [04:31] JRe: Yeap... maybe even in time for kde4p [04:31] JRe: The Ettrich (sp?) guy claimed that dbus is basically dcop2. [04:32] <\sh> hunger: u mean the one of the founders of KDE? matthias ettrich [04:32] uniq: ok ;) whatever they do, it will rock ;) [04:32] \sh: Yes that one. [04:32] <\sh> i had his book about kde2 in my hand yesterday ,) was one of my first o'reilly kde books ever..and I think the last one ,) [04:33] JRe: Well, KDE has some practice with ripping out the complete communication infrostructure minutes before the release;-) === mart [~mart@socksgw2.ncl.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:33] hunger: lol ;) [04:34] But I'm really curious about kdemm (arts replacement): They want to do some facade for other MM frameworks like gstreamer. [04:35] ... the facade is to allow for easy setup and to allow them to switch later (so they do not end up in the same situation as with arts again). [04:36] ow good idea [04:38] i'll document me a little about kdemm it seems interesting [04:40] JRe: There are no papers on the lectures at linuxtag on the web:-( [04:41] anyone go to aKademy??? [04:41] yes [04:42] riddell: psst. amd64 packages done. [04:42] so I see :) [04:42] off to dinner. bbl. [04:43] Riddell: i was sure that you would go! you're lucky Malaga is an amazing place! [04:46] http://ktown.kde.org/~hausmann/qt4dance_medium.ogg === hunger [~hunger@p54A639EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRee [~Bond@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away === froud [~sean@ndn-165-143-84.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:54] does Canonical offer paid support for Kubuntu? [05:55] i would guess no. [05:55] is there a markplace (web site) for company who do provide paid support? [05:55] s/company/companies [05:58] not that i know of. [06:00] froud: chances are if you pay them they'll support anything === \sh_away is now known as \sh [07:09] riddell: wake up.. TB meeting. [07:09] and koffice is up now. [07:09] :) [08:29] http://lnix.net/~froud/ updated main changes made to Kubuntu User Guide [08:31] nice, i'll have a look. [08:32] cool, anyone is welcome to colaborate on these documents [08:33] src can be checkout from https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk [08:33] my written english isn't that good.. i'll just give others more work in correcting my spellingmistakes :) [08:34] well you dont need to be a shakespear, the team will fix any problems [08:34] ideas and comments are also a big help [08:35] i'll start with ideas and comments :) [08:35] cool, whatever you're comfortable with [08:56] froud: http://rafb.net/paste/results/a3avG310.html [08:56] mart: thanks dude [08:56] just a few things that don't 'parse' very well, and a wrong graphic [08:57] Not sure about the apostrophe in "Displays a list of filters arranged by possible package status'." [08:58] cool [09:02] mart patch applied in svn [09:12] mart: the apos is correct denoting plural [09:14] yeah.. I just wasn't sure whether it was better to use package status in the singular [09:14] eg. you might arrange something by number, not by numbers [09:15] but I guess it works both ways [09:15] (it wasn't in the patch anyway) [09:15] the package can have multiple statuses (status') [09:15] According to Chicago Manual of Style it is correct, but according to the Sunday Times it is wrong :-) [09:16] thanks though for the patch [09:16] can it? The filters look mutually exclusive [09:16] no, you're right. they're not [09:17] btw, it would be good to say what it means for a package to be 'locked' [09:18] Hmmm good idea, write it and I'll patch it [09:18] cool === KabelKasper [~vloechte@i5387C55D.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KabelKasper [~vloechte@i5387C55D.versanet.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === mart [~mart@socksgw2.ncl.ac.uk] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === froud [~sean@ndn-165-143-84.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [09:53] OpenOffice.org 2.0 or KOffice 1.4 - hmm, already a decission? [09:54] KOffice = small. fast; but not 100% stable and (that's the worst) the MSO import is way to bad [09:55] hm.. no, not decided yet afaik. there was a discussion about it in the TB meeting today.. but no decission made. [09:55] OOo = more stable, better MSO support (still far away from 100%); but very big and incredible slow [09:55] but i think oo.o is the one with most pros. [09:56] would be interesting, if 2.0 final will be faster than the current beta in breezy [09:57] according to the (few) posts in kubuntu-users@ and the discussion during the TB-meeting i got the feeling oo.o is what'll be in breezy. but riddell is making a 'spec' to list the pros and cons for both alternatives. [09:58] and then there will be a new discussion, probably resulting in a decission. [09:58] the question is, what we need more, MSO compatibility or being usable on slow computers [09:59] i can't speak for others than my self.. but MSO compability is high on my list for a office suite. === pef [~loic@erodia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:59] hello [09:59] hi pef. [10:00] who did the kdebluetooth package for hoary? is there one for breezy yet? [10:00] kail: the next on my list is stability. users think stable once someone says the word linux. we don't want to destroy that good reputation by adding software that crashes often. [10:00] kail: motaboy i think. [10:01] and for breezy i don't know. [10:01] if I read the commends, both aren't REALLY stable [10:02] people have experienced that kpresenter can't read it's own filetype, etc.. that's serious problems. [10:03] got some similar comment about oo2 Writer [10:04] ok, we'll see when riddell get the spec up. afaik oo.o is already chosen for ubuntu.. so they consider it useable.. or to become useable. [10:05] useable as in good enought MSO compatibility and stable. [10:06] MSO compatibility can't be "good enough" imho [10:07] I really don't have strong feelings for any of them. koffice would be great to promote KDE software. But i think it'll scare people away if it's crashing and such. [10:07] we had enough stability problems with KDE 3.4.0 [10:07] agreed. [10:08] krita is nice though.. should include that. [10:10] yes, that for sure [10:11] what about kivio? [10:12] another app without something similar in OO [10:12] yeah, i know.. but does it need to be on the CD? that's the question. [10:12] it'll all go into universe or maybe main. [10:20] the localisations are at meast more important [10:20] every single untranslated word is a big argument against kubuntu [10:21] i know. [10:22] once we start to use rosetta it'll be easier to translate stuff. [10:22] the kde apps are quite good translated afaik, but have you ever seen localised manpages? most are awefull outdated [10:28] KaiL: kivio is useless without stencils... and you are asked to buy those. [10:29] ah, ok [10:29] ...so forget it, until there are no free ones [10:29] KaiL: There are a couple of free ones, but they look ugly and are hard to use. [10:30] KaiL: The stencil builder is proprietary... [10:31] KaiL: Damn Kompany:-( [10:32] looks like something to fix later === Mez [~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee is now known as slow-hand-alle === slow-hand-alle is now known as allee [11:44] riddell: do you have the time to copy the amd64 package for kde 3.4.1 and koffice 1.4 to kubuntu.org? [11:44] dev.kubuntu.org.uk has mysteriously gone down [11:44] oh. [11:44] may need to go on a late night cycle ride [11:44] kubuntu.org works for me. [11:45] if that has anything to do with anything. [11:45] that's separate [11:45] ok. [11:45] but I work on dev.kubuntu, kubuntu.org is behind a firewall, can't wget stuff [11:45] ok. understand. [11:46] i have kio-locate ready for review too. it's at the new nice REVU site. [11:49] about koffice: how about pkg with debug=full to get stacktraces? [11:50] put it on a page with a short page what to expect and what not and ask to use the debs and send debug infos. [11:50] sounds like a good idea. [11:51] koffice-1.4 branch get's 1-2 fixes a day. I guess koffice developers are keen to get more feedback. [11:51] if i'm going to build more amd64 debs now is the time. while my livecd-pbuilder-setup is still running. [11:52] Another idea is maybe to ask a ko devel of search web for what bug/crash infos are needed, add this to webpage to [11:52] to enhance bug report quality === KaiL_ [KaiL@p548F7E0B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:53] ah, and last but not least. Never post the sources.list line. Only a ref to the web page so people (hopefully) read the short intro ;) [11:53] FWIW: I use koffice almost exclusively kwork, kpresenter admitted only for simple thing and I can remember a single crash === allee [~ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel