[12:59] <uniq> !learn paste http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[12:59] <kinfo> Inprinted paste (memory injection successful)
[01:07] <Tm_Kopete> uhm, hi
[01:07] <liz4rd> hi
[01:08] <liz4rd> ^_^
[01:08] <Tm_Kopete> me in four... too much
[01:08] <Tm_Kopete> quadrophenia
[01:08] <Tm_Tr> no shit Sherlock
[01:09] <Tm_T> yaight
[01:10] <Tm_T> Tm_Kopete: fuck off
[01:11] <Tm_T> yup, ok app that is
[01:11] <monchy> lol
[01:12] <Tm_T> testdriving Kopete and Kmail etc this week
[01:12] <monchy> not a big fan of kmail personally :x
[01:12] <Tm_T> me neither
[01:13] <Tm_T> but maybe I can use it with Kontact
[01:13] <monchy> kopete is ok, but no tabbed messaging -.-
[01:13] <Tm_T> well, there's not much need for such apps anyway here :p
[01:13] <Tm_T> os it's ok
[01:13] <Tm_T> so
[01:21] <uniq> i use kontact and it keeps me happy.
[01:22] <uniq> actually.. it rocks. korganizer is good.
[01:27] <Tm_T> no it's not
[01:27] <Tm_T> but worth trying
[01:32] <mrmanic> monchy: what do you mean by "no tabbed messaging"?
[01:33] <mrmanic> monchy: I ask only because I currently have a single tabbed message window, so I figure you must be talking about some OTHER awesome feature.
[01:33] <monchy> like in gaim/trillian, a new convo gets opened up in a tab and not a whole new window
[01:33] <monchy> was just saying thats what kopete lacks
[01:33] <liz4rd> hey monchy what are those windows codecs called? the package name
[01:34] <monchy> w32codecs
[01:34] <liz4rd> thx
[01:34] <monchy> no worries
[01:34] <Tm_T> monchy: err, tabs are in kopete too
[01:34] <monchy> i never seen tabbed messaging in kopete -.-
[01:34] <Tm_T> haha
[01:34] <Tm_T> I just tested different settings
[01:34] <monchy> instead of laughing how about showing me ;)
[01:34] <Tm_T> errh
[01:34] <Tm_T> you asked for it
[01:36] <monchy> so can you produce a screen capture or not?
[01:37] <liz4rd> http://liz4rd.ath.cx/.imagedump
[01:38] <Tm_T> monchy: sure
[01:39] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kopete_001.png
[01:41] <monchy> hah how bout that. should be the default instead of the way they have it
[01:43] <Tm_T> hmm, I thought that is default... don't know sure, I use svn trunk :p
[02:02] <ychahibi> Kubuntu installation finished. Enjoyment started . :)
[02:06] <penguinboy> hey guys
[02:07] <liz4rd> penguinboy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:07] <liz4rd> !!!
[02:07] <liz4rd> !!
[02:07] <liz4rd> !
[02:07] <kinfo> what?
[02:08] <penguinboy> heyhey hey
[02:08] <penguinboy> how is lizzy
[02:08] <Tm_T> uhm
[02:08] <penguinboy> hey TT
[02:08] <monchy> spamncheese is calling for you
[02:08] <Tm_T> ok, I'm off, sleep well comrades
[02:08] <liz4rd> #spamncheese
[02:09] <penguinboy> no one is in spamncheese
[02:09] <liz4rd> i am
[02:09] <unome> guys, I'm using a router to connect two PC, on this box ifconfig reveals the ip of the router .. how do I change that?
[02:14] <dwmurphy> are the trackers for the kubuntu dvd images down?
[02:16] <mrmanic> unome: are you using dhcp?
[02:16] <unome> yes
[02:16] <mrmanic> unome: is it a consumer router like a linksys or netgear?
[02:16] <unome> yes
[02:17] <mrmanic> unome: what is the address of the router?
[02:17] <mrmanic> 192.168.1.1?
[02:17] <unome> 192.168.0.2 
[02:17] <mrmanic> .0.2?
[02:17] <mrmanic> that's interesting
[02:17] <mrmanic> normally it's .1
[02:17] <unome> that's what is says
[02:17] <unome>  inet addr:192.168.0.2  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[02:18] <mrmanic> what do you get when you do ping 192.168.0.1?
[02:18] <unome> nothing
[02:18] <unome> 21 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 19996ms
[02:18] <mrmanic> hmm
[02:19] <unome> wait
[02:19] <unome> firewall, sorry
[02:19] <unome> yes I can ping it so that's my router addy
[02:19] <uniq> gnite guys.
[02:19] <mrmanic> night uniq 
[02:19] <unome> now this box is 192.168.0.2
[02:19] <unome> g'nite uniq 
[02:19] <mrmanic> unome: that is pretty standard
[02:19] <unome> but's that's not my ip is it?
[02:20] <mrmanic> unome: it should be
[02:20] <unome> whois me
[02:20] <mrmanic> unome: your internal ip is different from your external ip
[02:21] <mrmanic> unome: this is something called NAT routing
[02:21] <unome> I see
[02:21] <mrmanic> it allows you to share a single external IP among multiple computers.
[02:21] <unome> so, when I open a port it's for my internal not external
[02:21] <uniq> guys, feel free to use !learn to learn kinfo smart things like NAT and such !help for info.
[02:22] <unome> !learn NAT
[02:22] <unome> bot?
[02:22] <mrmanic> !help
[02:22] <kinfo> Available commands: !help, !uptime, !netuse, ??, !!, !cs, !whoset, !learn, !relearn, !forget, !topten, !status
[02:22] <uniq> yes. '!learn nat what is nat.' would be correct.
[02:22] <mrmanic> oooh, neat
[02:22] <unome> this is good :)
[02:23] <uniq> there is a webinterface too. http://frode.kde.no/kinfo/
[02:23] <uniq> just for seearching though.
[02:23] <uniq> now, gnite for real.
[02:23] <mrmanic> ok, night night uniq 
[02:24] <mrmanic> dammit, unome left!  I wasn't done explaining NAT!
[02:24] <uniq> explain it in a !learn :)
[02:24] <uniq> http://frode.kde.no/kinfo/?find=%25 to see what's already learned.
[02:25] <mrmanic> unome: did you figure it out?
[02:25] <unome> jeez konversation crushed again
[02:25] <mrmanic> damn
[02:25] <unome> mrmanic: nah trying
[02:25] <mrmanic> my konversation is rock solid
[02:25] <mrmanic> unome: what are you trying to do?
[02:25] <unome> rolled it your self?
[02:25] <mrmanic> nah
[02:25] <mrmanic> it's the kubuntu one.
[02:26] <mrmanic> konvi 0.16
[02:26] <mrmanic> from 3.4.1
[02:26] <unome> mrmanic: well trying to get firestarter to see my box as my extenal ip so that I can close and open ports on the fly
[02:26] <unome> ahh I'm using 0.18
[02:27] <mrmanic> unome: is your box the only box that needs to be able to have ports open?
[02:27] <unome> yes
[02:27] <mrmanic> unome: if you're not scared, you might close all your ports and put yourself in the DMZ
[02:27] <mrmanic> most routers have a DMZ
[02:28] <unome> what's dmz?
[02:28] <mrmanic> demilitarized zone
[02:28] <unome> secure?
[02:29] <unome> if there's such thing as secure to begin with
[02:29] <KaiL> Internet <-> DMZ <-> Clients
[02:29] <nerd> Hey there.
[02:29] <unome> so how do I do that?
[02:29] <unome> hi nerd
[02:29] <nerd> I was wondering, why are graphical root logins not allowed as default in kubuntu? and how can I change this?
[02:30] <nerd> unome: Hey :)
[02:30] <KaiL> nerd: security
[02:30] <unome> nerd sudo su -
[02:30] <nerd> umone: Well, yeah, but I need to do a graphical login. You know...from kdm?
[02:30] <KaiL> and logging in as full root is a VERY bad idea
[02:30] <nerd> KaiL: I know this. I'm doing it so's I can add a printer using KDE's print manager
[02:31] <KaiL> you can currently too
[02:31] <nerd> KaiL: "Can currently too"? What does this mean?
[02:32] <KaiL> start the printer managemant tool, and look at the bottom, the button in the middle :)
[02:32] <nerd> KaiL: I'd still like to be able to do a full graphical root login....
[02:32] <unome> !learn what is nat
[02:32] <kinfo> Inprinted what (memory injection successful)
[02:33] <unome> hmm
[02:33] <uniq> !forget what
[02:33] <kinfo> what was supressed
[02:33] <uniq> !learn nat network address translation
[02:33] <kinfo> Inprinted nat (memory injection successful)
[02:33] <uniq> ?? nat
[02:33] <kinfo> [nat]  network address translation
[02:33] <uniq> :)
[02:33] <nerd> KaiL: Ok. Something's wrong. It keeps refusing my password. Perhaps I cannot su? 
[02:33] <unome> oh, I sure can teach this bot all bad info :)
[02:34] <KaiL> user-PW?
[02:34] <KaiL> (it's using sudo, but not saying that very clear)
[02:34] <nerd> KaiL: I just had to run "gpasswd -a nerd sudo
[02:34] <nerd> No biggie
[02:35] <nerd> KaiL: Damn! Now it says "Su returned with an error"
[02:35] <nerd> This is not going well so far.
[02:36] <KaiL> gpasswd -a nerd sudo << what on earth?
[02:37] <nerd> KaiL: I was adding my user to the group "sudo" as listed in /etc/group
[02:38] <KaiL> ...interesting, that I don't have my user in that group here ;)
[02:39] <nerd> KaiL: For some odd reason, I had to set up all users and passwords (and groups) manually after  the Kubuntu install. I take it I'm not supposed to have to do this.
[02:39] <KaiL> that's not good...
[02:39] <KaiL> but sudo works now?
[02:40] <nerd> KaiL: Maybe I should add users in  another fashion. At least I would if I could actually USE KDE AS ROOT! Do you know how to allow root logins? I REALLY need the ability to administer graphically
[02:40] <nerd> KaiL, After all. I have to fix all these problems. Oooh man. Kubuntu is giving me more trouble than my Gentoo box.
[02:41] <uniq> nerd: edit  /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc to allow root logins from kdm.
[02:41] <uniq> change AllowRootLogin=false
[02:41] <uniq> to true
[02:42] <uniq> nerd: as you probably already know, it's not recommended to run KDE as root.
[02:42] <uniq> and now, good night for real.
[02:42] <nerd> uniq, Yep. I've been told. thanks
[02:44] <douglas> what packages do I have to have to mount a smb volume with fstab options?
[02:44] <KaiL> smbfs
[02:45] <douglas> Kubuntu comes with that right?
[02:46] <KaiL> ..at least it's in main :)
[02:48] <gandalfsbigwand> anyone know where kcolorchooser package is for Ubuntu Hoary?
[02:48] <gandalfsbigwand> I'm looking for the kcolorchooser program which is part of a larger package of programs for KDE but I can't find it in the repositories. I tried custom searches in synaptic but found nothing.
[02:48] <uniq> kcoloredit
[02:49] <uniq> is the packagename
[02:49] <gandalfsbigwand> uniq, hi thanks I searched for that too but couldn't find it
[02:50] <uniq> it's in universe
[02:50] <gandalfsbigwand> ok I have kdegraphics installed but I can't find kcoloredit on my system??
[02:50] <gandalfsbigwand> very odd
[02:50] <uniq> kcolorchooser shouls be there then.
[02:50] <gandalfsbigwand> it only finds icons for it
[02:51] <uniq> i have both.
[02:51] <uniq> alt+f2 'kcolorchooser' enter
[02:51] <gandalfsbigwand> gives an error
[02:51] <gandalfsbigwand> ;(
[02:52] <gandalfsbigwand> I'm using ubuntu with all kde installed
[02:52] <uniq> strange. apt-get install --reinstall kcoloredit
[02:52] <gandalfsbigwand> thx i'll try one second
[02:52] <gandalfsbigwand> Couldn't find package kcoloredit
[02:52] <uniq> ah.. it
[02:52] <uniq> it's been introduced in 3.4.1..
[02:53] <gandalfsbigwand> kcolorchooser was in previous versions of kde... 
[02:53] <gandalfsbigwand> I have KDE 3.4.1
[02:53] <gandalfsbigwand> I mean 3.4.0
[02:54] <gandalfsbigwand> it should be in there.. oh well, if not, is there a gnome equiv?
[02:54] <uniq> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=kcolorchooser&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=hoary&arch=i386
[02:55] <uniq> i really have to go to bed now. install that package and you'll have kcolorchooser.
[02:55] <uniq> ?? sources.list
[02:55] <kinfo> [sources.list]  example /etc/apt/sources.list with all official repositories plus KDE 3.4.1 and Koffice 1.4 from kubuntu.org can be found at: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/303802
[02:55] <gandalfsbigwand> uniq, thanks for your help
[02:55] <uniq> to enable universe and get kde 3.4.1 and koffice 1.4 (if you want)
[02:55] <uniq> no problem.. and good night.
[02:55] <gandalfsbigwand> =)
[02:55] <gandalfsbigwand> gn
[02:58] <ookii> i'm having the hardest time installing transcode, anyone know of any alternatives?
[03:01] <Blissex> ookii: 'mencoder'/'mplayer' but  there are ready made 'transcode' packages, which install just right.
[03:01] <ookii> i am interested in these packages you speak of
[03:01] <ookii> really i want dvd rip, but i learn this is a front end for transcode, so apparently i want transcode
[03:03] <Blissex> ookii: look for the marillat repository at nerim
[03:04] <Blissex> ookii: in general check http://WWW.apt-get.org/ out before thinking of installing things yourself...
[03:04] <ookii> Blissex: the marillat apt source isnt' working for transcode
[03:04] <Blissex> ookii: you also want 'dvd::rip' from the same repository.
[03:04] <Blissex> ookii: then download the source debs and recompile, or be careful about the dependencies...
[03:06] <ookii> Blissex: eh, i downloaded everything transcode wanted, configure went fine, but i had some ogg vorbis errors or something during the make
[03:06] <Blissex> ookii: but really it should work with the binaries without much trouble...
[03:07] <Blissex> ookii: you may need to tweak carefully the dependencies using 'aptitude'
[03:08] <ookii> Blissex: ah i have no idea what that is, it's sad because all i want this computer to basically do is rip dvds, but it doens't look like it's going to happen
[03:10] <Blissex> ookii: try to install the Debian 3.1 (''sarge'') release, it is similar to Ubuntu and the Marillat repository is based on it.
[03:10] <Blissex> ookii: BTW, I also have some 'transcode' dependency problem; I must keep 0.6.x installed, instead of 1.0.x
[03:11] <ookii> Blissex: my previous experience was all debian, but me wanting to not work very hard to set things up, debian was behind the times, but i read now it's up to date or something
[03:11] <Blissex> ookii: for now it is up to date, released a few weeks ago...
[03:11] <ookii> Blissex: debian with kde is just more work, kubuntu comes all good to go :-p
[03:42] <The_bellman> what kind of email account is gmail (as in i want to get kmail to check it... is that possible?)?
[03:42] <godsmoke> gmail offers pop3 access
[03:42] <The_bellman> gracias
[03:42] <godsmoke> you need to sign into your gmail account online, and enable it
[03:46] <The_bellman> damnit, i suppose you enable pop3 in settings, and settngs can't be accessed by konq cause its not fully supported
[03:47] <The_bellman> ... i just made the switch from gnome, and have to get used to the new gotchas
[04:02] <The_bellman> :( Kontact is saying that kwallet isnt avaliable, so i opened up kwallet, and it still says its not avaliable.
[04:05] <Tm_T> The_bellman: KDED or someting is crashy
[04:05] <Tm_T> try to create new wallet ;p
[04:07] <Neuromantik> you got mugged
[04:09] <The_bellman> lol
[04:18] <The_bellman> nope, I've been mugged and left to bleed on the sidewalk :P   ...oh well you cant win them all
[04:19] <The_bellman> speaking of winning them all, is there a way to get a gnome applet to run as a kde applet?
[04:35] <godsmoke> The_bellman: I highly doubt it
[04:36] <godsmoke> The_bellman: Konqueror will not work with roughly 10% of popular websites -- I just use firefox -- even though it runs slowly in addition to kde
[04:44] <The_bellman> luckily for me, i dont visit many popular websites :P
[04:46] <The_bellman> i hear somepeople say that firefox doesnt work with lots of websites, and that konq works with even fewer. Honestly gmail is the only site that ive had areal prob with
[04:49] <godsmoke> The_bellman: I have never found that to be true
[04:50] <dwmurphy> did anyone else get a grub error 17 when they install kubuntu?
[04:50] <godsmoke> dwmurphy: when did you get this error?
[04:50] <dwmurphy> right after i installed it, first reboot
[04:50] <dwmurphy> partitions are on sevondary master.. havve xp on the primary.. installed grub in the mbr
[04:52] <godsmoke> dunno
[04:53] <godsmoke> did you google the error ...?
[04:53] <godsmoke> to at least find out what was wrong
[04:53] <dwmurphy> yeah.. something about not recognizing the partition type.. which is odd.. it formattied them itself
[04:54] <godsmoke> did you read this?
[04:54] <godsmoke> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36493
[04:54] <godsmoke> did you hibernate windows first?
[04:54] <godsmoke> it seems that windows may be writing a non-known partition for its hibernation
[04:55] <godsmoke> and that could easily cause grub to error
[04:55] <dwmurphy> no.. not a laptop
[04:55] <godsmoke> doesn't matter
[04:55] <dwmurphy> i did a normal sthutdown.. i think i did see that post
[04:55] <godsmoke> anyway -- sounds like you should do some research -- if all else fails -- then you should redo the partitions
[04:55] <godsmoke> just some common sense advice
[04:57] <dwmurphy> yeah.. i'm not concerned.. just annoyed :)
[04:57] <godsmoke> stuff happens
[04:57] <godsmoke> could have been an error with the partition-making
[04:57] <dwmurphy> yuppers
[04:57] <godsmoke> you should always be doing them yourself anyway
[04:58] <dwmurphy> they were already done.. i just told it to reformat them
[04:58] <godsmoke> takes a few minutes -- makes things right
[04:58] <godsmoke> oh
[04:58] <godsmoke> who knows -- maybe kubuntu just hates you
[04:58] <dwmurphy> *shrug*
[05:00] <dwmurphy> thanks though ;)
[05:04] <dwmurphy> fixmbr is my friend :)
[05:05] <lostmonk> question
[05:05] <lostmonk> if i install debain jr, for example
[05:05] <lostmonk> will it go right into the kde menu
[05:05] <lostmonk> or a debian subsection?
[05:06] <godsmoke> will what go right into the kde menu?
[05:06] <lostmonk> the symlink for the app
[05:06] <godsmoke> why don't you ask in a Debian Jr. specific help?
[05:07] <lostmonk> are u a tard?
[05:07] <lostmonk> i came here for kubuntu
[05:07] <lostmonk> duh
[05:07] <godsmoke> then why are you asking about debian jr?
[05:07] <godsmoke> that's a special distribution -- separate from kubuntu/ubuntu and debian
[05:08] <lostmonk> debian jr is a group of childrens applications
[05:08] <godsmoke> it's a distribution
[05:08] <lostmonk> it never became a distro
[05:09] <godsmoke> anyway, there is no debian menu in kubuntu
[05:09] <godsmoke> there is no menu-handling system either, I've been told
[05:11] <lostmonk> so then installed debs dont make it to the menu?
[05:11] <godsmoke> right -- the ubuntu package team has to do it
[05:11] <godsmoke> `menu` was never adopted from debian
[05:12] <godsmoke> so any menu calls the package wants to make are not going to show up
[05:12] <Psynecologist> hmmz .... no rip in universe
[05:12] <godsmoke> unless debian-jr becomes an ubuntu package
[05:12] <Psynecologist> what's a good recomendation for ripping CDs ?
[05:13] <lostmonk> sound juicer
[05:13] <Psynecologist> does it use lame ?
[05:13] <lostmonk> dunno
[05:13] <lostmonk> someone else told me about it
[05:13] <Psynecologist> k
[05:13] <Psynecologist> ty
[05:13] <godsmoke> soundjuicer is gtk-based
[05:13] <godsmoke> uses gstreamer from their website
[05:13] <Psynecologist> Yikes
[05:14] <Psynecologist> it wants a bunch of gnome
[05:14] <godsmoke> ...
[05:14] <godsmoke> gtk
[05:14] <Psynecologist> arson
[05:14] <godsmoke> and gstreamer
[05:14] <godsmoke> = gnome
[05:14] <kalenedrael> ok, is there an easy way of getting a 32-bit libc with apt?
[05:14] <kalenedrael> i'm on an athlon 64
[05:15] <kalenedrael> i'm trying to compile gcc
[05:15] <kalenedrael> hmm, for that matter, can i tell gcc to only compile for 64-bit?
[05:18] <battlecat> hi
[05:18] <battlecat> Im downloading Kubuntu
[05:18] <battlecat> I realize that it has KDE does it also retain the GNOME?
[05:18] <kalenedrael> ok
[05:19] <kalenedrael> it doesn't come with the gnome window manager but it has gtk
[05:19] <kalenedrael> and such (i think)
[05:19] <battlecat> That is what I was wondering
[05:19] <Psynecologist> battlecat, it has KDE .. to get the gnome as well ... just sudo apt-get install it afterwards
[05:19] <kalenedrael> if not you can always sudo apt-get install
[05:19] <Psynecologist> battlecat, though it seems redundant to have 2 DEs
[05:19] <kalenedrael> i had to sudo apt-get install xchat, for that matter
[05:20] <kalenedrael> i have four window managers
[05:20] <kalenedrael> kde, xfce, enlightenment, and fluxbox
[05:20] <battlecat> Thank you Psynecologist. I have a problem I need to be able to download the packages and write them to CD then take them to the totally offline machine to install. Will the Ubuntu package manager be able to do this?
[05:20] <Psynecologist> meh ... either E or kde
[05:20] <kalenedrael> i tried all of them at some point
[05:20] <Psynecologist> no need for kde & gnome imo
[05:20] <kalenedrael> didn't delete them
[05:20] <kalenedrael> i couldn't get used to any of them
[05:21] <Psynecologist> battlecat, dunno .. I'm still new to kubuntu .... I'm a sorcerer/gentoo guy really ;)
[05:21] <battlecat> I see.
[05:21] <Psynecologist> I'm sure there must be a directory
[05:21] <battlecat> I am looking at all the distros there are just to many
[05:21] <Psynecologist> well .... ubuntu is as easy as it gets
[05:21] <Psynecologist> (k)ubuntu
[05:23] <battlecat> Ive used plain ubunut
[05:23] <battlecat> Its really slow on my p3-600
[05:23] <Psynecologist> depends on the ram usage
[05:23] <Psynecologist> also ... might want to try using a real light wieght wm .. like blackbox or a blackbox clone... openbox, fluxbox etc
[05:23] <battlecat> Right now Im running plain XP Pro and its 'fast'
[05:24] <Psynecologist> what are your system specs ?
[05:25] <battlecat> 192 megs ram
[05:25] <battlecat> 20 gig HD
[05:25] <battlecat> p3-600
[05:25] <battlecat> 8 meg agp
[05:25] <Psynecologist> should run linux fine
[05:25] <battlecat> thats it
[05:25] <battlecat> it runs linux ok but not as fast
[05:25] <godsmoke> should NOT run kde or gnome fine
[05:25] <Psynecologist> how are you judging fast ?
[05:25] <godsmoke> use a lightweight wm
[05:25] <Psynecologist> a *box
[05:26] <godsmoke> nah
[05:26] <battlecat> well based off time to have a prog start and delays in menus even with all effects off
[05:26] <godsmoke> xfce will run fine on that
[05:26] <Psynecologist> battlecat, the heavier , beefier, bloatier DEs eat more resorces
[05:27] <battlecat> I know
[05:27] <godsmoke> so don't use them on that system
[05:27] <battlecat> ok
[05:27] <battlecat> I understand that
[05:27] <Psynecologist> YIKES
[05:27] <godsmoke> xfce is pretty and decently lightweight
[05:28] <battlecat> I am still trying to figure if its worth going to linux if I give up the tools and speed in XP
[05:28] <godsmoke> probably best for you
[05:28] <Psynecologist> I just noticed that kubuntu dosen't have 1-4gb ram selected in their kernel
[05:28] <godsmoke> battlecat: the speed loss you're experiencing is a window manager problem -- it has absolutely nothing to do with "linux"
[05:28] <Psynecologist> I have 1.28gb of ram ... and it's only seeing 906
[05:29] <battlecat> Well programs like blender are much slower even under XFce
[05:29] <godsmoke> Psynecologist: I use 1.5GB of ram here -- no problems
[05:29] <Psynecologist> battlecat, blender uses tons of cpu cycles
[05:29] <godsmoke> 2 GB in another system
[05:29] <Psynecologist> godsmoke, mine isn't showing
[05:29] <Psynecologist> ( Computer Stats ) [ CPU Model: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+ Speed: 1830.178 MHz Cache: 512 KB ]  | RAM Usage: 125/906M [||||||||||]  ( 13.8% ) | [ HD Model: Maxtor 6E030L0 Size: 146G with 85G Free ( 58.2% ) ]  | Number of process: 66
[05:29] <Psynecologist> 906
[05:30] <godsmoke> good for you
[05:30] <Psynecologist> no
[05:30] <Psynecologist> not good for me
[05:30] <godsmoke> just telling you that I have kubuntu installed -- no problems
[05:30] <Psynecologist> I have to rebuild the kernel myself
[05:30] <godsmoke> why wouldn't you anyway?
[05:30] <Psynecologist> do you see your full ram ?
[05:30] <battlecat> I used Ubuntu for a month and liked it
[05:30] <godsmoke> Psynecologist: I said I did, yes
[05:31] <Psynecologist> and you didn't build the kernel yourself with the 1-4gb ram option ?
[05:31] <godsmoke> not on those systems
[05:31] <Psynecologist> hmm
[05:31] <Psynecologist> well
[05:31] <Psynecologist> where is the kernel held /
[05:31] <Psynecologist> ?
[05:31] <Psynecologist> in kubuntu
[05:31] <godsmoke> held ...?
[05:31] <Psynecologist> /usr/src/linux dosen't exist
[05:32] <godsmoke> that's not where you put a kernel
[05:32] <godsmoke> that's where you put kernel source
[05:32] <Psynecologist> ya
[05:32] <godsmoke> right ...
[05:32] <Psynecologist> if I have to build it
[05:32] <Psynecologist> I need the source
[05:32] <Psynecologist> obviously
[05:32] <godsmoke> right
[05:32] <godsmoke> why would the source be in your system already?
[05:32] <godsmoke> that's silly
[05:32] <Psynecologist> look
[05:32] <godsmoke> you need to get the version you want
[05:32] <godsmoke> so go get it
[05:32] <Psynecologist> I;'m coming from a source background
[05:32] <Psynecologist> I'm used to source being on my system
[05:33] <godsmoke> that's fine -- but the source doesn't magically come down -- then you wouldn't be able to say which version you wanted
[05:33] <godsmoke> that would be very very silly
[05:33] <godsmoke> download the source version you want, end of story
[05:33] <godsmoke> there are ubuntu packages which have all of the ubuntu patches already, or you can use vanilla
[05:33] <Psynecologist> godsmoke, I installed yesterday ... I assumed the kernel source would be on it for situations like this
[05:33] <godsmoke> nope, thank god not
[05:34] <Psynecologist> should be there
[05:34] <godsmoke> you obviously don't understand the target audience of ubuntu
[05:34] <Psynecologist> I guess not
[05:34] <Psynecologist> like I said .. I installed yesterday
[05:34] <godsmoke> it's roughly 35 characters in a terminal to grab the package
[05:34] <kkathman> yah...Gentoo...source, ubuntu...no source
[05:35] <KaiL> there are optimised kernel images (-k7 and -686), afaik those are build with 4GB support
[05:35] <Psynecologist> ty KaiL 
[05:35] <godsmoke> oh -- did you not install the appropriate kernel?
[05:35] <godsmoke> that might do it
[05:35] <Psynecologist> godsmoke, I INSTALLED YESTERDAY
[05:35] <Psynecologist> geez
[05:35] <Psynecologist> how much do you expect me to know of the distro ?
[05:35] <godsmoke> it asks you which one you want -- so it has nothing to do with how many days you've had it installed
[05:37] <Psynecologist> godsmoke, proving your guruness well :roll:
[05:37] <godsmoke> when you want to stop trolling -- you're welcome to ask questions
[05:38] <Psynecologist> I did ask a question
[05:38] <Psynecologist> to which
[05:38] <runelind> I have kubuntu installed on a dell inspiron 4100, and I get studdering on keyboard and mouse which also causes sound output to studder
[05:38] <Psynecologist> you prefered to dick aropund with ...
[05:38] <Psynecologist> bbl
[05:38] <godsmoke> runelind: wow -- that's scary
[05:39] <godsmoke> runelind: have you tried a random non-ubuntu live cd -- just to see if it's a main driver issue?
[05:39] <battlecat> stupid question whats is a p3-600 is it a 386 486 586 or what?
[05:39] <runelind> godsmoke: knoppix works, and WinXP also works
[05:39] <runelind> 686
[05:40] <battlecat> thank you
[05:40] <godsmoke> hrm
[05:40] <godsmoke> that's very strange
[05:40] <godsmoke> almost sounds like a bus issue
[05:41] <godsmoke> I remember my sony laptop had weird acpi interrupts
[05:41] <godsmoke> where I could only get my usb ports to work if I caused a lot of noise on the bus -- by playing an mp3
[05:41] <runelind> weird
[05:41] <godsmoke> but that's acpi for ya
[05:41] <godsmoke> was fixed in 2.6
[05:42] <godsmoke> runelind: I'd suspect it's a kernel issue -- try an old kernel first
[05:42] <godsmoke> ubuntu is all about new packages -- not quite as tested as debian was
[05:42] <godsmoke> it's likely the knoppix you tried used an older kernel
[05:42] <runelind> it uses a 2.6 kernel
[05:43] <godsmoke> well, I know -- but, 2.6 is just a major revision
[05:43] <godsmoke> it's possible whatever you're using in kubuntu is very new
[05:43] <godsmoke> and knoppix might be using something older
[05:43] <runelind> yeah perhaps
[05:43] <godsmoke> just giving you ideas to test out
[05:43] <runelind> maybe a new build of kubuntu will fix it
[05:44] <godsmoke> well, kernel revisions aren't done too often
[05:44] <godsmoke> I'd try an older kernel first, try to isolate the problem
[05:44] <runelind> yeah that's a good idea
[05:44] <runelind> I'll look into it, thanks
[05:45] <godsmoke> or wait for someone who knows more than I do -- also try #ubuntu -- far more people there -- this is not likely a kde issue
[05:45] <runelind> sounds like a plan
[05:45] <runelind> have a good night
[05:45] <godsmoke> you too
[06:28] <opi> morning
[07:30] <plefno> anyone here who can help someone completely inept?
[08:22] <torz> hi, I just installed Kubuntu last night and having problems installing the JDK 1.5.
[08:22] <torz> root@titan:/home/torum/apps # rpm -i jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.rpm
[08:22] <torz> rpm: To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian.
[08:22] <torz> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2)
[08:22] <torz> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
[08:23] <torz> Do I have to use alien?
[08:35] <froud> is it possible, using the Run Command (Alt+F2) to perform commands with sudo. For example sudo kynaptic
[08:36] <froud> how can I pass the password for sudo using this example?
[08:38] <mrmanic> froud: kdesu
[08:38] <mrmanic> froud kdesu synaptic
[08:39] <mrmanic> kdesu is like sudo only it uses a kde messagebox to validate your password.
[08:39] <froud> cool thank mrmanic 
[08:39] <mrmanic> np froud 
[08:42] <unome> anyway to add some good fonts to konsole?
[08:50] <mrmanic> unome: doesn't konsole pull from the same fonts as everything else?
[08:50] <mrmanic> maybe I'm wrong
[08:50] <unome> mrmanic: not for me mate
[08:50] <mrmanic> yep, sure enough, I'm wrong
[08:50] <mrmanic> :\
[08:52] <unome> I like konsole just can't stand the fonts
[08:54] <hieudt> unome: you can change konsole font: settings -> font -> custom
[08:55] <unome> hieudt: hmm yeah you can but what if the fonts you want aren't there but everywhere else in the system?
[08:55] <unome> copy them to ~kde~/konsole/fonts ?
[08:56] <amethyst> so uh, kubuntu is ubuntu with KDE?
[08:56] <unome> yes and a KDE spirit too
[08:57] <amethyst> word
[08:57] <amethyst> what kind of spirit is that versus gnome?
[08:57] <unome> User Friendly
[08:59] <mrmanic> I thought gnome was user friendly
[08:59] <mrmanic> Like user friendly with teeth.
[08:59] <mrmanic> like..."We're going to be user friendly to you....OR ELSE"
[08:59] <unome> hehe
[09:00] <mrmanic> I only used it for 3 hours or so, though.
[09:00] <mrmanic> :S
[09:00] <amethyst> why doyou like kde more?
[09:01] <mrmanic> amethyst: I find KDE easily customizable and easily scriptable
[09:01] <amethyst> cool
[09:01] <amethyst> which is faster?
[09:01] <mrmanic> amethyst: I also feel as though the designers of KDE don't assume that I'm stupid.
[09:01] <mrmanic> I have no idea
[09:01] <amethyst> heh
[09:02] <unome> amethyst: it's just a personal thing, some people think GM is the best, others Chevrolet is the bomb
[09:02] <amethyst> nod, 
[09:02] <amethyst> im stuck in windows right now but i guess i could run a vmware image of ubuntu
[09:03] <unome> I never liked Gnome, but that doesn't me it's a bad desktop
[09:03] <amethyst> and then after get a new drive free up some space
[09:09] <mrmanic> amethyst: my views don't reflect the views of anyone but me. :)
[09:13] <amethyst> yeah
[09:37] <nikkia> hmmm
[09:56] <mrmanic|sleep> btw, the ipodslave maxes my CPU sometimes
[09:56] <mrmanic|sleep> it does make amaroK work like a dream, though.
[09:56] <mrmanic|sleep> :)
[09:56] <mrmanic|sleep> by "sometimes" I mean "for hours after removing my ipod"
[09:56] <mrmanic|sleep> :)
[09:58] <mrmanic|sleep> zzz
[09:58] <nikkia> mrmanic|sleep: that's quite scary
[10:23] <ubuntu> helo
[11:32] <torz> just downloaded Azureus from sourceforge and it aint loading!
[11:33] <torz> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /home/torum/apps/azureus/libswt-pi-gtk-3106.so: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:33] <torz>         at java.lang.ClassLoader$NativeLibrary.load(Native Method)
[11:33] <torz> and so forth...
[11:33] <Choubaka> get the file.
[11:33] <torz> oh! wait, maybe I should have opened my eyes. I need those libraries dont I?
[11:34] <Choubaka> yes.
[11:34] <torz> Choubaka: indeed, I was stupid. DIdn't read it properly
[11:42] <torz> so you guys know of any packaged with those libs?
[11:44] <Choubaka> packages.ubuntu.org
[11:45] <torz> root@titan:/home/torum/apps # apt-get install azureus/
[11:45] <torz> Reading package lists... Done
[11:45] <torz> Building dependency tree... Done
[11:45] <torz> E: Release '' for 'azureus' was not found
[11:45] <torz> weird :~(
[11:45] <torz> Choubaka: yeah I'll look there in a second. I just tried to install it via apt-get since it will hopefully get all the other bits I need but meh... that sucks
[11:45] <Choubaka> Hahaha
[11:46] <torz> mmm?
[11:46] <Choubaka> This site has "Welcome Slashdot!" on the front page.
[11:46] <Choubaka> http://nn.cs.utexas.edu/NERO/
[11:47] <nikkia> Choubaka: well, /. did just post a story about them :)
[11:48] <Choubaka> yeah.
[12:08] <torz> yay the gtk problem is solved. Good old apt-get :~)
[12:42] <Matyy> Hi, I have installed KDE on a "normal" ubuntu system, and now I use XFCE, I have installed the German language file "kde-i18n-de" and kde is german
[12:42] <Matyy> but when I start a KDE app (konqueror, krusader, amarok) in XFCE4 it's still English
[12:43] <torz> heh, "normal" ubuntu
[12:44] <torz> dont you have to configure konqueror within it?
[12:45] <Matyy> I got it 
[12:45] <torz> excellent :~)
[12:45] <Matyy> There is "settings" in the xfce menu where i can get to all the KDE settings, and there I can just set the language to German
[12:46] <nikkia> matyy, the first time you run KDE, you should get the new user wizard, which asks your language etc
[12:46] <torz> kpersonalizer or whatever its called
[12:46] <nikkia> matyy, my guess is that somehow you had a .kde directory that made the wizard not run
[12:46] <nikkia> and thus everything defaulted to german
[12:46] <torz> woohoo Azureus is now installed :~), rock on apt-get :~)
[12:47] <Matyy> yeah, probably, I think I didn't use kde with my account
[12:47] <nikkia> matyy, i'd suggest creating a new user, then login to KDE as that user, and see if you get the wizard... if that works, you could rename .kde out of the way on  your normal account, and see if that forces the wizard to start
[12:47] <Matyy> eh, it works now
[12:48] <Matyy> I just had to set it to english
[12:48] <nikkia> oh, wait, you WANT german
[12:48] <Matyy> yeah :))
[12:49] <snowseal> anybody used the nvclock tool? is it resonably safe to use or what.
[12:50] <snowseal> i dont want to fry my laptop's video card just yet.
[12:51] <torz> hahaha
[12:51] <Tm_T> snowseal: overclocking is never safe
[12:51] <nikkia> specially on a laptop, where you have everything crammed in a tiny space
[12:52] <snowseal> indeed
[12:52] <snowseal> but i got low performance on the card in liux. compared to windows.
[12:53] <snowseal> hmm. okay. ty for advice.
[12:53] <nikkia> snowseal, you are using the nvidia driver, not 'nv' right?
[12:54] <snowseal> nikka i installed kernel-restricted modules, and in xorg.conf i stated to use the nvidia driver. ack
[12:54] <nikkia> then i don't really understand why it would be lower performance, tbh
[12:55] <snowseal> hm, so it should be equal?
[12:55] <nikkia> its highly doubtful the windows driver is overclocking, unless you made it
[12:55] <nikkia> snowseal, it should be comparable
[12:55] <nikkia> it might be a little slower in some things or a little faster in others *shrug*
[12:55] <snowseal> okay!, i'll debug it some more. hope to find a error
[12:55] <nikkia> one thing i'd check...
[12:56] <nikkia> by default, the nvidia driver will use their own AGP GART if none is specified (Option "NvAGP" in the config)
[12:56] <nikkia> the nvidia gart isn't always the best, sometimes its better/faster to use the one specific to your motherboard, even if that motherboard is nForce based
[12:56] <snowseal> in the xorg config ?
[12:56] <nikkia> yeah, you probably don't have that line at all
[12:57] <snowseal> i'll definately check it. tx
[12:57] <nikkia> if there is no 'Option "NvAGP"' line, then it defaults to, iirc, '0' which means 'use the motherboard gart if its loaded, otherwise use the one built into the X driver'
[12:57] <snowseal> i got a intel mb, so i guesss its nforce based. (its a g-force fx actually.)
[12:58] <snowseal> hmm, complex for me. but ty for tips
[12:58] <nikkia> the problem there, is that usually the motherboard gart isn't loaded by default, the kernel modules will exist, but aren't set to auto-load, so the nvidia driver looks, sees no gart, and uses the built  in one
[12:58] <snowseal> will have to learn more about this.
[12:58] <nikkia> if you set Option "NvAGP" "2"    then it forces it to load the motherboard gart
[12:58] <snowseal> just great info. thx again
[01:06] <nikkia> afternoon uniq
[01:07] <snowseal> hmmm, indeed i got no " NvAGP" option in xorg.conf
[01:08] <Matyy> does someone know a similar icon theme for kde: http://art.gnome.org/themes/icon/1051 ? 
[01:08] <uniqwork> hi nikkia.
[01:08] <uniqwork> brb. fucked copyingmachine.
[01:10] <_michael> saluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut tout le mondee
[01:11] <uniqwork> hi michael.
[01:11] <snowseal> lol, raped copymachine. yuk.
[01:12] <_michael> g plein de kestion a poser y a pas un geeks pour maider ???
[01:12] <_michael> hi uniqwork ;-p
[01:12] <uniqwork> snowseal: yes, sorry for the bad language. 
[01:12] <_michael> someone can help me ?
[01:13] <_michael> please ...
[01:13] <Matyy> Hmm, where can I learn how to create own icon themes?
[01:13] <uniqwork> what is your problem michale? 
[01:13] <nikkia> matyy, i think themes.org has some tutorials
[01:14] <nikkia> no, i was thinking of kde-look, i think
[01:15] <nikkia> http://artist.kde.org/guidelines.html
[01:15] <snowseal> nikkia,  should i add nvagp as option in the device section of xorg.conf ?
[01:15] <snowseal> or as module, or or
[01:15] <_michael> i have a kunbuntu 5.04 and i wonder wich line i have to add in my sourceslist.conf for update from debian ...
[01:15] <nikkia> snowseal, yes, in the device section, i think
[01:15] <Matyy> thx
[01:15] <nikkia> yep, device section
[01:16] <snowseal> ack
[01:16] <uniqwork> ?? sources.list
[01:16] <kinfo> [sources.list]  example /etc/apt/sources.list with all official repositories plus KDE 3.4.1 and Koffice 1.4 from kubuntu.org can be found at: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/303802
[01:16] <uniqwork> _michael: take a look at that.
[01:16] <_michael> yop
[01:17] <Matyy> nikkia, they talk about kde2.x there. Can I still use it?
[01:17] <_michael> thanks .... 
[01:17] <_michael> ;-))))))))))))))
[01:17] <Tm_T> Matyy: wtf
[01:18] <nikkia> snowseal: here's mine:  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/305127
[01:18] <Matyy> I just browsed a bit and found the actuall version
[01:18] <snowseal> well, /var/log/messages shows some nice agp hardware beein detected. restarting X..
[01:19] <snowseal> bbl, ty
[01:20] <_michael> i want to install wine , how can i do ?
[01:20] <snowseal> hey   nikkia  you got alot more options than i have.
[01:20] <_michael> sorry but my english are a little : bad :-{
[01:20] <snowseal> i got no options at al in there
[01:20] <snowseal> _michael, apt-get isntall wine
[01:20] <Matyy> _michael, go to winehq and look for the deb sources
[01:21] <Matyy> there you get a more actuall version
[01:21] <nikkia> snowseal: wow, that's a tiny device section i use here, you should see my device section on my machine at work
[01:21] <Matyy> _michael, http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[01:22] <nikkia> actually, no you shouldn't, i reinstalled since i setup X properly there :/
[01:22] <snowseal> why are these options not commented. how else would i know what options are available
[01:22] <_michael> i already try apt-get install but he said he can't find the package 
[01:22] <nikkia> snowseal, they're documented in the README on nvidia's site
[01:22] <snowseal> akay. got my self a project now ;)
[01:23] <_michael> thanks Matyy i will try it
[01:24] <_michael> thanks for your help i will be back ;-p good bye 
[01:26] <nikkia> hey uniq...
[01:26] <nikkia> is there a way to delete a pastebin posting ? i was about to show snowseal my work xorg.conf device section, but he left
[01:27] <nikkia> altho it looks like pastebin just died anyway
[01:35] <jony_gudel> surabaya
[01:37] <uniqwork> hosted by Paul Dixon (paul at elphin dot com)
[01:37] <uniqwork> nikkia: don't know, never thought of that. can't find a delete-button anywhere. you could always mail ^^
[01:38] <ztonzy> hi apokryphos 
[01:38] <apokryphos> hey
[01:38] <ztonzy> kdm still doesn't start :-\
[01:38] <ztonzy> and I removed gdm as well
[01:41] <uniqwork> nikkia: you can however edit the post in the box below the actual post.-
[01:41] <nikkia> uniq, yeah, i suppose i could just reuse it next time i need pastebin :)
[01:42] <nikkia> atm, i've returned to being angry at ebay sellers :P
[01:42] <uniqwork> heh. why is that? 
[01:43] <nikkia> found a commercial seller selling something i want, then decided to check his non-ebay site, and found he's selling the same item from his web store *cheaper* than he's selling it on ebay
[01:43] <uniqwork> nice one.
[01:44] <nikkia> 101 vs 102, pre VAT
[01:44] <nikkia> still not sure what to do tho, as i've seen 'buy it nows' for 117 inc VAT, which is 2 cheaper still
[01:48] <uniqwork> i ordered 'the debian system' yesterday.. from a german online bookstore. %u20AC44
[01:48] <uniqwork> ehm.. did you see that euro sign? :)
[01:49] <uniqwork> cgi:irc isn't a very good client :|
[01:53] <nikkia> uniq, no, it did %u20AC44
[01:53] <nikkia> which probably shows up as a euro symbol to you anyway :P
[01:53] <dwmurphy> lol
[01:54] <dwmurphy> morning
[01:54] <nikkia> morning dwmurphy
[01:54] <uniqwork> nikkia: no it doesn't :)
[01:55] <uniqwork> morning dwmurphy. all kde 3.4.1 packages are ready. i'm just waiting for Riddell to take a look at them and copy them over to kubuntu.org
[01:55] <dwmurphy> uniqwork: ok. excellent. thanks
[02:01] <snowseal> nikkia, agpgart                33608  3 intel_mch_agp,intel_agp,nvidia
[02:02] <snowseal> seems like agp drivers are loaded, but gl refuses to work.
[02:03] <snowseal> maybe it uses the wrong driver becouse : " intel_mch_agp          10256  0"  is not used.
[02:09] <nikkia> snowseal, run glxinfo and cut and paste the output into a pastebin entry
[02:17] <andrea> kubuntu ownz
[02:17] <andrea> :D
[02:18] <uniqwork> :)
[02:36] <snowseal> nikkia, segmentation fault
[02:36] <nikkia> erk, that's not right
[02:37] <snowseal> i just removed nvidia-glx package, becouse x didnt boot anymore
[02:37] <snowseal> i figured that package made a conflict. and it was a package i recently added.. after removal x booted again.
[02:37] <snowseal> maybe that has something to do with it.
[02:38] <nikkia> probably
[02:38] <snowseal> heh
[02:38] <nikkia> most likely you still have the DRI stuff being loaded in xorg.conf
[02:39] <snowseal> wich is not good?/
[02:39] <nikkia> altho, in saying that, i have dri loaded in mine, and it doesn't stop nvidia loading
[02:39] <nikkia> well, it used to be that the nvidia driver wouldn't load with it enabled, but i have it enabled, and i'm using the nvidia driver *shrug*
[02:40] <snowseal> i dont have any DRI reference in xorg.conf
[02:42] <clparker> anybody know how to update kopette?
[02:42] <apokryphos> clparker: do you have the latest repo?
[02:42] <snowseal> huh, busid on my nvidia device is pci:1:0:0
[02:43] <snowseal> while it should use agp
[02:43] <snowseal> clparker,  apt-get update && apt-get install kopete
[02:44] <clparker> thank you
[02:45] <clparker> i will try that
[02:45] <apokryphos> snowseal: not if he doesn't have the topic repository
[02:45] <nikkia> snowseal, that's normal, the busid thing
[02:45] <apokryphos> clparker: if you haven't done so already, you'll have to first add "deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, and sudo apt-get update
[02:46] <clparker> will do
[02:47] <apokryphos> (followed by the aforementioned sudo apt-get install kopete)
[02:48] <snowseal> hmm, i'll add thast repository. :)
[02:48] <apokryphos> it's the one with 3.4.1, too
[02:55] <snowseal> omg 171 upgrades available.
[02:55] <snowseal> hmm, lemme pray it works okay
[03:21] <snowseal> im gonna compile the kernel myself and add nvidia modules to it, manually. using the readme and howto. have to do it yourself if you want to get it don right. sigh.
[03:23] <nikkia> snowseal, you don't need to do that
[03:23] <nikkia> snowseal, compiling the kernel yourself buys you nothing in terms of adding the nvidia drivers
[03:23] <nikkia> you might as well just remove the packages for the nvidia stuff, then download the .run file from nvidia and run it
[03:24] <nikkia> you need the kernel-headers package, but i think thats all
[03:32] <snowseal> nikkia im a purist. ;) and i the kernel is not using my newest processor architecture. it might improve speed. and although it takes lots of time, i will get grip on this video driver mystery.
[03:32] <nikkia> snowseal, the 686 kernel package is probably about as fast as you'll get anyway
[03:33] <nikkia> last time i checked, the kernel doesn't really make any use of floating point and/or SSE :)
[03:33] <snowseal> but  see your point, the kernel doesnt have alot to do with the video drivers.
[03:34] <snowseal> lol.
[03:39] <hussam> The kubuntu cd installed the 386 kernel for me. will I gain anything if I remove it and install 686 kernel instead?
[03:39] <snowseal> hussam,  i would say yes. but now im not so sure anymore :P
[03:40] <nikkia> hussam: yes
[03:40] <nikkia> hussam: especially if you have 1GB or more of ram :P
[03:40] <hussam> I have a Pentium 3 with 384MB ram
[03:41] <nikkia> it'd still be worthwhile, IMO
[03:41] <Tm_T> uh oh
[03:41] <nikkia> personally, i'm not sure i'd 'remove it' for the 386 kernel tho
[03:41] <Tm_T> hussam: no need to remove any kernel, just install more ;p
[03:42] <hussam> would there a gain in performace?
[03:42] <nikkia> tm, the grub menu can get a bit daunting with 30 kernels though :)
[03:42] <snowseal> well, currently the processes run with the old 386 instruction set, while the p3 has way more efficient intructions, wich you currently dont use.
[03:42] <nikkia> hussam, some, yes
[03:42] <Tm_T> I have ... 9 different kernels installed
[03:42] <Tm_T> nikkia: well, then yes
[03:42] <Tm_T> nikkia: and please use whole nick, so I get hilighted ;)
[03:43] <Tm_T> snowseal: eh, ever programmed assembler?
[03:43] <snowseal> nope
[03:43] <Tm_T> o/
[03:44] <snowseal> i wish i could.
[03:44] <Tm_T> it's easy
[03:44] <nikkia> Tm_T: there is some truth to what he said
[03:44] <Tm_T> nikkia: there is, that's why I asked
[03:44] <nikkia> Tm_T: the 386 lacks some of the registers that that are useful for the schedular
[03:44] <snowseal> but when i stared at the assembly codes in the asm bewbie guide i got a headache
[03:45] <snowseal> easy you say? how did you start learning it , Tm_T ?
[03:46] <snowseal> i prefer some higher level programming
[03:46] <Tm_T> snowseal: well, I started with 8088 doing 1+2 etc
[03:46] <Tm_T> from basics
[03:46] <nikkia> feh, 8088? newbie! :P
[03:47] <snowseal> haha
[03:47] <Tm_T> that was hight tech!
[03:47] <Tm_T> - t
[03:47] <nikkia> the 8088 was never 'high tech'
[03:47] <snowseal> hmm, you got an asm compiler on your 8088?
[03:47] <snowseal> amazing
[03:47] <nikkia> it was at best, a cut-down version of the 8086 :P
[03:47] <Tm_T> snowseal: all you need is old good ibm testbox and  datasheet
[03:48] <Tm_T> nikkia: heh, it was hightech in our school
[03:48] <Tm_T> snowseal: uhm, not much compiling...
[03:48] <snowseal> hex editing.. ?
[03:48] <Tm_T> I continued with C(++)&AVR
[03:48] <Tm_T> snowseal: yaight!
[03:49] <nikkia> thankfully, i don't do much asm anymore
[03:49] <nikkia> the last i did was about 10 months ago, on SH-3
[03:49] <Tm_T> last time 5years ago
[03:49] <gdh> I write Bad Perl and Bad Bash :)
[03:49] <uniq> me to :)
[03:49] <nikkia> gdh, the 'bad' is superfluous on perl
[03:50] <uniq> +o
[03:50] <gdh> nikkia: I was waiting to see who'd comment on that :)
[03:50] <snowseal> asm is still very useful to debug programs. is the main reason i wish to learn asm.
[03:50] <nikkia> whenever i need a quick n dirty language, its always python i grab for
[03:50] <gdh> I write Perl like I write BASIC .. one big if..then..else :)
[03:50] <nikkia> all my image manipulation scripts are python
[03:51] <nikkia> of course, PIL makes that a no brainer :)
[03:51] <snowseal> i started programming ms-basic on the msx.
[03:51] <snowseal> hardly anyone knows what an msx is nowdays.
[03:52] <nikkia> snowseal: heh, i do
[03:52] <nikkia> MSX2 was the best spec 8bit
[03:52] <nikkia> largely due to the TMS9938 being utterly brilliant
[03:53] <Tm_T> pois pois ->
[03:54] <snowseal> then i got an amiga500, for gaming. and then my dad bought a PC. 286, wich i trashed with lots of virusses.
[03:54] <snowseal> wich some of you might have created.
[03:58] <snowseal> heh, i even got my p100 trashed with the cih virus, tjernobyl. it flashed my bios and the first MB of my hd on 26 april. had to buy a new bios for it.
[03:59] <snowseal> wich was my most destructive virus i ever cought.
[04:00] <nikkia> last virus i was affected by, was green catapilla
[04:00] <nikkia> on windows 3.1
[04:03] <snowseal> are there any linux virusses in the wild?
[04:04] <snowseal> other then the worms i know of.
[04:06] <snowseal> guess not. ;D
[04:47] <mart> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserPreferences
[04:47] <mart> erm, where are the password repeat and email boxes?
[04:48] <imtheshade> sa lall
[04:48] <imtheshade> sal all
[04:48] <mart> and "Create Profile" ?
[05:28] <neul> apparently Kubuntu works so well, nobody anywhere has any problems...  wow, that IS a relief
[05:31] <nikkia> neul, no, all the problems are with networking :P
[05:33] <neul> oh i see-- Kubuntu is totally blown, but nobody can hook up to IRC properly to bitch about it... :-D
[05:33] <Tm_T> I can ] ;=
[05:34] <mart> I was about to... but then remembered I could be using Gentoo...
[05:34] <yourghetek> is there a howto on getting the newest version amarok?
[05:35] <mart> (I wonder how on earth do they do c++ transitions?)
[05:35] <yourghetek> /doesnt know
[05:35] <yourghetek> htere we go
[05:39] <mart> yourghetek: which kde packages are you using? hoary?
[05:39] <martinjh99> Trying to run BZFlag in Accelerated mode - Not getting any joy at all.  Using KDE3.4.1 Hoary, with the Fglrx mods installed - Ran dpkg-reconfigure and told X to use the fglrx driver but something is not right - any ideas?
[05:40] <buz> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/28/1245258&from=rss
[05:40] <yourghetek> hoary
[05:41] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:41] <Tm_T> martinjh99: well, ati
[05:41] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[05:41] <mart> yourghetek: ah, I thought there might be something on hoary-updates, but doesn't appear to be
[05:42] <martinjh99> TN_T well yeah, should have thought about it...  Had it working though thats the annoying thing.  It stopped working for some reason...
[05:42] <nikki> grr
[05:43] <nikki> see, networking problems :P
[05:48] <yourghetek> did any of you guys catch the outpost deal? http://shop.outpost.com/product/3492233
[05:48] <buz> maxtor drives suck
[05:49] <nikkia> not as much as WD ones do :P
[05:49] <yourghetek> but at .35 a gig...
[05:49] <buz> samsung and segate
[05:49] <gdh> maxtor are at the bottom of the pile for me
[05:49] <buz> maxtor make the worst noise of them all
[05:49] <nikkia> everyone has different experiences
[05:49] <gdh> aside from my many personal experiences against maxtor...
[05:49] <gdh> ... Dell put maxtor in all their PCs...
[05:49] <buz> means its gotta be crap
[05:49] <nikkia> i had 2 seagate drives pop their driver board, will never buy them again...
[05:49] <gdh> buz: Bingo :)
[05:49] <nikkia> bought a WD that was 20GB of bad sectors out the box
[05:50] <buz> mhh i had all manufacturers drives die on me
[05:50] <buz> so now i buy the most silent ones
[05:50] <buz> and so far, no samsung died
[05:50] <nikkia> (and when we took that back, they said 'oh yeah, that was a fault on all of that batch, we can replace it if you'd like' (from the same batch))
[05:50] <yourghetek> ive had 5 drives die on me
[05:50] <buz> most important thing, keep yar drives cool
[05:50] <jbroome> and keep the receipt. :)
[05:51] <buz> usually i cant be bothered to rma them
[05:51] <buz> just not worth the trouble
[05:51] <nikkia> micropolis used to be the best :/
[05:51] <buz> which is why they are bankrupt??
[05:51] <nikkia> i still have a 20yo micropolis scsi drive somewhere that still works fine, is slow as treacle, but works
[05:52] <nikkia> buz, they were bought, iirc
[05:52] <nikkia> they were expensive, and they didn't catch on fast enough with the capacity race, thats why they had trouble
[05:53] <buz> what is it with those new extended availability drives? do they really last longer?
[05:53] <buz> i'll buy a bundle if its true
[05:53] <nikkia> buz, probably not
[05:53] <buz> their mtbf is much higher
[05:53] <nikkia> buz, its probably just the same kind of scam as an 'extended warranty'
[05:53] <buz> mhh seagate gives 5 year warranty anyhow
[05:54] <yourghetek> yeah i heard about that
[05:54] <nikkia> drives are cheap enough that i don't really care about warranty
[05:54] <nikkia> and if my drive dies, no amount of warranty is going to get my data back anyway
[05:54] <buz> exactly
[05:54] <yourghetek> then raid
[05:54] <buz> which is why i only buy drives in pairs
[05:55] <buz> i just dont get why sata drives are 20$ more
[05:56] <nikkia> buz, you're lucky its only $20, tbh
[05:56] <nikkia> many companies looked at SATA and thought back to the SCSI price reaming days
[05:56] <buz> mhh scsi drives are in fact sturdier built
[05:56] <nikkia> buz, not all
[05:57] <buz> we only ever have ide drives fail, practically no scsis ever
[05:57] <nikkia> buz, i used to be exclusively scsi
[05:57] <buz> but scsi needs even better cooling
[05:57] <buz> especially 12kprm
[05:57] <nikkia> most of the scsi drives i bought over the years, when i looked closely, they were exactly the same drive platters with a different controller board
[05:57] <buz> platters maybe
[05:57] <buz> but platters generally aren't the first thing to go bad
[05:57] <buz> usually the motors or the controller goes bad
[05:58] <nikkia> when i say 'platters' there, i mean platters, heads, motors, everything except the controller board
[05:58] <buz> not true these days
[05:58] <buz> many scsi drives in fact use smaller platters than they have cases
[06:00] <buz> spinning real 3.5" platters at 15K rpm isn't really feasibly
[06:03] <bjtaken> isnt there a kile package in kubuntu?
[06:04] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:04] <Tm_T> kile - KDE Integrated LaTeX Environment
[06:04] <Tm_T> sure
[06:07] <bjtaken> Tm_T, am i missing something in sources.lst?
[06:07] <mart> it's in universe
[06:08] <mart> so need that before/after 'main'
[06:08] <uniq> ?? sources.list
[06:08] <kinfo> [sources.list]  example /etc/apt/sources.list with all official repositories plus KDE 3.4.1 and Koffice 1.4 from kubuntu.org can be found at: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/303802
[06:09] <nikkia> uniq, can you test a url for me ?
[06:09] <uniq> nikkia: sure.
[06:09] <nikkia> uniq, see if you can access:  http://ipv6-test.singnet.com.sg/cgi-bin/IPv6-Test
[06:09] <nikkia> all i get is 'document contains no data' :/
[06:10] <Fnoy> how do i nstall kubuntu
[06:11] <Tm_T> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:11] <uniq> nikkia: doesn't work from my ipv4 connection.. give me a sec and i'll check from a ipv6-enabled box.
[06:11] <nikkia> uniq, their server is probably hosed then
[06:12] <nikkia> just sometimes the 'document contains no data' is a symptom of my ISP's transparent proxy being lousy, but if its happening to you too, its probably not that :)
[06:13] <uniq> nikkia: 1.5 sec latency when pinging over ipv6. 
[06:13] <nikkia> (besides which, they can't transparent proxy IPv6, so if it was my ISP, it'd be a sign my IPv6 wasn't working)
[06:17] <troy> anyone else have a problem with their IDE cdrom drive after updating to a recent kernel?
[06:17] <nikkia> what kind of problem ?
[06:18] <troy> hdd: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason = 0x01)
[06:18] <nikkia> no, nothing like that
[06:18] <troy> refuses to boot unless I specify hdd=noprobe 
[06:18] <troy> but then of course, I have no cdrom ;)
[06:20] <troy> I'll try in #linuxhelp... it's been so long since I've used the linux kernel...
[06:29] <bjtaken> whats the name of the control center plugin that makes gtk programmes look like qt programmes?
[06:29] <mart> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt ?
[06:30] <mart> sounds familiar
[06:30] <bjtaken> thx
[07:11] <maddwarf> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb3,
[07:11] <maddwarf>        missing codepage or other error
[07:12] <maddwarf> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb3,
[07:12] <maddwarf>        missing codepage or other error
[07:12] <snowseal> i got a segfault when i run wine, it could be the video output, or it might conflict with wineX. how do i find the problem?
[07:12] <maddwarf> hi all. don;t know if anyone can help. I have a problem mounting my second hard disk. I am getting "Mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock, missing codepage or other error" message
[07:13] <maddwarf> (sorry for bad pasting, not used to this IRC)
[07:13] <maddwarf> my drive was a bootable slackware install, but i got a new HDD to install kubuntu, and that went fine, then I mounteed slack drive OK. after a reboot, i get these erros
[07:14] <snowseal> maddwarf,  so how do you mount it?
[07:14] <snowseal> maddwarf,  seems like you have to specify the fs type
[07:14] <snowseal> maybe the /etc/fstab has bad values
[07:15] <maddwarf> the drive is not defined in fstab, and I get the same errors when i specify the fs (ext3)
[07:15] <snowseal> mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb /mnt/slackware
[07:15] <snowseal> hmm. bad
[07:16] <snowseal> maybe the drive has some errors on it.
[07:16] <maddwarf> i mount it with "mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/slack" or "mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /mnt/slack"
[07:16] <maddwarf> 8o(    i hope the drive is OK ... i backed up recently, but there is some newer stuff i don;t want to lose .....
[07:17] <snowseal> hmm hmm, you can try to check it with some tool. fsck if i remember right
[07:17] <mrmanic> fsck it
[07:17] <maddwarf> ok, am looking at man fsck now ...
[07:18] <snowseal> and the first partition on hdb is definately ext3 ?
[07:18] <maddwarf> pretty sure it is ext3 ... 
[07:19] <nikkia> try 'auto' as the fs type
[07:19] <maddwarf> auto gives the same result 8o(
[07:20] <nikkia> you could use fdisk to check what the partition type is
[07:20] <nikkia> but that'll only tell you if its 'linux' or 'ntfs' or something
[07:20] <snowseal> heh.
[07:21] <maddwarf> ah, fdisk is saying that I have an "invalid flag 0x0000 od partition table 4 that will be corrected " .... think I should go ahead and let fdisk alter it?
[07:22] <brk3> anyone know what package has all the c++ documentation..?
[07:22] <snowseal> maddwarf, seems unharmfull to let it fixed.
[07:23] <buz> will my system stop booting like last time if i install the kernel of today?
[07:23] <maddwarf> ok thnx all - fdisk says i need a reboot. will return in a moment. 
[07:24] <snowseal> hmm, seems unnescesairy, becouse it was not mounted
[07:24] <maddwarf> well, its still not mounting ....
[07:24] <snowseal> scary
[07:24] <snowseal> :)
[07:24] <maddwarf> but fdisk is no longer reporting the error...
[07:24] <nikkia> erm, i wouldn't have let fdisk change anything, personally
[07:24] <snowseal> well, reboot it, i am curious
[07:25] <maddwarf> yeah, i'm not sure, nikkia ... i'll reboot and return to let you know 
[07:25] <nikkia> you might, if you have ANY disks left :P
[07:25] <snowseal> im sure any decent fs checker can repair a partition table.
[07:26] <maddwarf> LOL
[07:28] <buz> wtf does that mean:
[07:28] <buz> lilo
[07:28] <buz> Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
[07:28] <buz>     Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/evms/hda1'
[07:28] <buz> Added Linux *
[07:28] <buz> Skipping /vmlinuz.old
[07:29] <buz> i find it pretty weird that i don't have a / mounted anyhow
[07:29] <buz> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[07:29] <buz> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[07:29] <maddwarf> grrr ...
[07:29] <buz> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[07:29] <buz> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[07:29] <buz> /dev on /.dev type unknown (rw,bind)
[07:29] <buz> none on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=5M,mode=0755)
[07:29] <buz> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[07:30] <snowseal> maddwarf, not?
[07:30] <maddwarf> no difference, snowseal 
[07:30] <snowseal> maddwarf, did you check the partition or the whole disk?
[07:30] <maddwarf> partition
[07:31] <maddwarf> just tried to fsck /dev/hdb         it gives similar "cannot read superblock" errors
[07:32] <maddwarf> it also says that 
[07:32] <maddwarf> The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
[07:32] <maddwarf> filesystem.  If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2
[07:32] <maddwarf> filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock
[07:32] <maddwarf> is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock:
[07:32] <maddwarf>     e2fsck -b 8193 <device>
[07:32] <nikkia> mad, are you really sure its /dev/hdb ?
[07:33] <maddwarf> i can see the drive exists there (i only have the 2 ... kubuntu and slack), but kubuntu is refusing to read it.
[07:34] <buz> mhh that kernel upgrade went nicely
[07:34] <buz> at least something
[07:35] <maddwarf> cool, buz. good to hear _someone_ is having a good day 8o)
[07:35] <buz> not good
[07:35] <buz> just acceptable
[07:35] <buz> days with exams and exams on the next day are rarely good days
[07:36] <maddwarf> 8o(
[07:37] <maddwarf> good job i don;t have exams right now, with my data-drive down....
[07:37] <snowseal> Slackware can be installed on ext3, ReiserFS, xfs and jfs
[07:37] <buz> mhh my main machine is down since a few weeks
[07:37] <buz> the cpu went bad after 3 weeks of use 
[07:37] <buz> nice job, amd
[07:37] <maddwarf> i'm pretty sure i used ext3, snowseal 
[07:37] <buz> and i'm to stressed to fill out rma forms
[07:37] <maddwarf> but with fdisk not reading it......
[07:37] <snowseal> damn, how can it be corrupted.
[07:38] <maddwarf> ouch, buz! 
[07:38] <buz> first of about 15 amd cpus to ever go bad 
[07:38] <snowseal> well, without other options, i would try  e2fsck -b 8193 <device> , to see what happens
[07:39] <buz> its kinda weird
[07:39] <buz> maybe the undervolting killed it
[07:39] <maddwarf> same errors, snowseal 8o(
[07:39] <buz> but that doesnt make sense
[07:40] <maddwarf> it was fine just a day ago, snowseal , and i didn't do nothing to it!!!   ;o)
[07:40] <buz> they just die you know
[07:40] <maddwarf> well, i unplugged it, and replugged it .... 
[07:40] <snowseal> oh oh
[07:40] <buz> probably dead then
[07:40] <maddwarf> yup, buz
[07:41] <snowseal> maddwarf,  while it was offline offcorse?
[07:41] <buz> you dont have backups, i assume?
[07:41] <maddwarf> errr ..... yes, it was all powered down
[07:41] <maddwarf> i have backups, but at 7-8 DVDs, its a long job i am hoping to avoid
[07:41] <snowseal> lol, i had to ask
[07:41] <buz> mhh not so bad
[07:42] <maddwarf> 8o) snowseal . i work in Windows Tech Support  (still learning this linux thing). you HAVE to ask the simple questions 8o)
[07:43] <snowseal> buz, so your distro boots without the / defined in /etc/fstab ?
[07:43] <snowseal> thats weird
[07:43] <maddwarf> "there are no stupid questions ... but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots" hee hee hee
[07:43] <snowseal> specially window users
[07:44] <maddwarf> yeah, goes with the territory (mass-market home users will f'k-up any system they get)
[07:45] <snowseal> maddwarf,  i would lastly, try to mount all partitions on hdb and try the hdc1-5 too. just o make sure.
[07:45] <buz> gets weirder even:
[07:45] <buz> # UNCONFIGURED FSTAB FOR BASE SYSTEM
[07:45] <buz> i sure didnt delete it
[07:45] <buz> wtf is going on on this machine
[07:45] <maddwarf> so, looks like i'm ready to invest in some recovery software - i've seen plenty about ....
[07:45] <buz> na, they generally don't fuckup osx
[07:45] <maddwarf> buz got no / ?   but if its not mounted, how is it running your system??????
[07:46] <buz> i was just wondering abuot that myself
[07:46] <buz> look at this
[07:46] <buz> $ mount
[07:46] <buz> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[07:46] <buz> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[07:46] <buz> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[07:46] <buz> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[07:46] <buz> /dev on /.dev type unknown (rw,bind)
[07:46] <buz> none on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=5M,mode=0755)
[07:46] <buz> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[07:46] <buz> root should be /dev/hda7 
[07:46] <buz> weeeird machine
[07:47] <snowseal> hmm, i didnt know one could unmount / while running.
[07:47] <buz> i doubt it was ever mounted
[07:47] <buz> but the machine behaves perfectly normally
[07:47] <hussam> What wireless card is fully supported by 2.6 kernel without any use of ndiswrapper? In #linux they recommended cisco 350.
[07:47] <snowseal> it should, to boot.. (?)
[07:47] <buz> id assume it should
[07:47] <snowseal> buz,  oh, it booted from the network
[07:47] <buz> maybe it just keeps it open?
[07:47] <buz> na it didnt boot from the network
[07:47] <buz> theres nothing to boot from
[07:48] <snowseal> this is hte weirdest problem one ever told me. lol
[07:48] <buz> not a problem
[07:48] <buz> just an oddity
[07:48] <buz> it's definitely wierd that there is no fstab
[07:48] <snowseal> i wonder if it boots..
[07:49] <snowseal> no fstab at all.
[07:49] <snowseal> heh
[07:49] <buz> sure it boots
[07:49] <buz> i boot it alteast once a day
[07:50] <buz> must somehow be hardcoded in the kernel 
[07:50] <buz> of course i have everything on one giant partition
[07:50] <buz> it was meant to be a backup system until i get my parts rmaed
[07:51] <zilone> Is there someone here that could give me some advice on a dual boot problem i'm having?
[07:51] <maddwarf> ok, time for me to pull out the slack drive and put it safe until i can get some cheap recovery
[07:51] <maddwarf> my boss jsut sent his drive for recovery - 500
[07:52] <buz> i'd use the dvds then
[07:52] <buz> no such thing as cheap recovery
[07:52] <maddwarf> yup, buz.
[07:52] <buz> i've heard a lot worse than 500?
[07:52] <snowseal> zilone, shoot
[07:52] <buz> more along the lines of 3000? 
[07:53] <maddwarf> yeah, depends on the drive/problem buz. 
[07:53] <buz> yup
[07:53] <zilone> thanks snowseal, I can't seem to boot back into windows xp after installing ubuntu
[07:53] <buz> replacing bad ibm board might not be that bad
[07:53] <buz> friend of mine once managed to do it himself
[07:53] <snowseal> zilone, you did see the boot-loader?
[07:54] <maddwarf> i've heard of swapping out the boards, never thought to try it myself. but it seems like the problem here is on the drive (data)
[07:54] <zilone> the boot loader? as in Grub?
[07:54] <snowseal> yes, or lilo. it lists the windows xp partition too. usually
[07:54] <zilone> I tried it, didn't work
[07:55] <snowseal> any error?
[07:55] <maddwarf> what happens when you try to boot into XP, zilone ?
[07:55] <zilone> none, it just doesn't show me anything 
[07:55] <zilone> except the linux boots
[07:55] <zilone> i have linux installed onto a second harddrive, and xp on another one
[07:55] <snowseal> oh, so you choose windows xp and it boots linux.
[07:55] <zilone> i can't even choose windows xp honestly, it just doesn't list it
[07:56] <snowseal> right.,
[07:56] <zilone> I had gotten a friend to help me, and we tried a few things and so far it hasn't helped
[07:56] <snowseal> zilone,  quick fix is to put a msdos floppy in it. boot it, and run fdisk, activate the windows partition. reboot.
[07:56] <maddwarf> this sounds familiar, from my dualboot slackware/win2k. i had to configure lilo to see the windows drive, and also make sure lilo was installed on the right drive (the windows drive, i think). it was a while back adn i can;t recall the dtails
[07:56] <zilone> He said it might be a problem with it being a SATA drive
[07:57] <zilone> I don't have a floppy drive though :(
[07:57] <snowseal> np
[07:57] <buz> mhh
[07:57] <buz> linux cant boot from sata if the bios tells the sata to run ide emulation i think
[07:57] <zilone> Hmm, windows xp and linux are both on a different drive though
[07:57] <snowseal> zilone,  ok did you change the hard-disk order physically?
[07:58] <zilone> i did use the advance options during partition, and i remember setting the Linux drive as primary
[07:59] <zilone> didn't touch the hardware itself
[07:59] <snowseal> good
[07:59] <snowseal> probably you need to edit the grub.conf manually
[07:59] <maddwarf> ok, gotta go. thanx for the help
[07:59] <zilone> hmm, what kind of modification?
[08:00] <snowseal> maddwarf, gl
[08:00] <zilone> Sorry, i'm still new to all of this :(
[08:00] <snowseal> zilone, grub isnt aware of the windows disk. you'll need to add it to its config
[08:01] <zilone> I think my friend tried this, he told me to put in some commands into the konsole, it showed XP into it, but it would stop running after i choose it
[08:02] <snowseal> that doesnt make sense to me..
[08:02] <zilone> sorry lol
[08:02] <snowseal> look at /etc/grub/grub.conf
[08:03] <zilone> hmm
[08:03] <zilone> I can't seem to find the grub folder in etc
[08:04] <snowseal> oh, its in /boot/grub
[08:05] <zilone> hmm, is it the menu.lst?
[08:05] <zilone> i don't see a grub.conf file
[08:05] <snowseal> gee, im used to lilo.haha. sorry.
[08:05] <zilone> ahhh, that sux :(
[08:05] <snowseal> moment. lemme check first
[08:06] <snowseal> right its menu.lst
[08:06] <zilone> Should i paste what was in the file here?
[08:06] <snowseal> not her, too much
[08:06] <zilone> err, what was added into the file*
[08:06] <snowseal> so there is not any windows reference in that file?
[08:06] <snowseal> oh. yeas. please do
[08:07] <zilone> # on /dev/hda1
[08:07] <zilone> title Windows NT/2000/XP
[08:07] <zilone> rootnoverify (hd1,0)
[08:07] <zilone> savedefault
[08:07] <zilone> makeactive
[08:07] <zilone> chainloader +1
[08:07] <zilone> sorry for that spam
[08:07] <snowseal> so the windows system is installed on the second hard-disk? that seems erronous to me
[08:08] <mikl> Sigh, it seems to be impossible to get an answer for anything on the ubuntu forums - even the topic-spammers stay away :(
[08:08] <zilone> I tried with different hardrive settings 0 to 9, but only that one seems to respond
[08:09] <zilone> :(
[08:09] <snowseal> you can try to change the line: rootnoverify (hd1,0) into --> root (hd0,0)
[08:09] <snowseal> zilone,  you did say that the windows option boots linux , right?
[08:09] <mikl> zilone: hda1 should be hd0,0
[08:09] <zilone> err, the system loads Grub first
[08:10] <zilone> and it only gives me Linux in a set of 3 different boots
[08:10] <zilone> windows should of been the fourth, but it didn't show up, my friend later on told me to add in those lines from before
[08:10] <snowseal> zilone,  change the line: rootnoverify (hd1,0) into --> root (hd0,0)
[08:11] <zilone> hmm, i think we tried that one before too
[08:11] <zilone> will give it a try though
[08:12] <snowseal> lol. gl
[08:12] <zilone> mm, how do i open this file through konsole? ^_^;;
[08:13] <snowseal> zilone, sudo kwrite /boot/grub/menu.lst ? or any other text editor
[08:13] <zilone> thanks :)
[08:14] <snowseal> >-<
[08:14] <zilone> now to reboot, i'll probably be back real soon heheh
[08:16] <snowseal> prolly
[08:18] <zilone> snowseal it didn't work :( told me it was an unrecognizable format
[08:19] <snowseal> what
[08:19] <snowseal> i suppose the config file was in an unrecgnised format?
[08:19] <zilone> gave me an error i think it was something like partition 38x0 or something
[08:20] <zilone> the config file?
[08:20] <zilone> hmm
[08:20] <snowseal> hmm indeed
[08:20] <zilone> how would i go about fixing this ?_?
[08:23] <snowseal> zilone you need to know your hd and partition layout.
[08:24] <zilone> hmm, well, the first harddrive that's suppose to be for windows isn't partitioned
[08:24] <snowseal> did you add an extra drive for linux?
[08:25] <zilone> add an extra drive? it was there to begin with really
[08:25] <snowseal> ok, im trying to get the picture here.
[08:25] <zilone> but i used another drive for linux, that's true
[08:26] <zilone> kk, first drive is a Western Digital 10,000 RPM i think the model was a Raptor, that's windows
[08:26] <zilone> Second drive is a Seagate Barracuda, 120 gigabytes, 5 gigs is for the user files, 15 gigs for the system files and 100 gigs is set up so Windows can use it as an NTFS partition
[08:27] <zilone> I hope that helps...
[08:27] <snowseal> ok, did you set the jumpers the same as before? i mean, maybe the extra drive you added is set to master and the windows drive is set to cs or somethin
[08:28] <zilone> i think i changed that during installation, i was afraid windows wouldn't allow me to boot into Linux, but i can almost swear i set it as primary, not master
[08:29] <zilone> is there some way to tell?
[08:29] <snowseal> zilone,  if you got any means of booting into dos,or windows, you can fdisk /MBR to remove the bootloader, dont forget to activate the windows partition using fdisk.
[08:29] <zilone> i wish i had x_x
[08:30] <snowseal> hmmz, you do have a bootable windows cd.
[08:30] <snowseal> and im sure you can do the same using linux, but i dont kow the commands to do it.
[08:30] <zilone> hmm
[08:30] <zilone> kk, thanks for the help :)
[08:31] <zilone> i'll try and see if i can figure something else, if not i'll just have to uninstall Linux and go through the installation again till i get it right lol
[08:31] <zilone> thanks :)
[08:35] <MoebiusZero> hrm
[08:35] <MoebiusZero> do i have to login as root to set an su passwd?
[08:37] <godsmoke> evangelion: what do you mean exactly?
[08:37] <evangelion> i open a term
[08:38] <evangelion> and cant su
[08:38] <evangelion> it never asked for a root pass during install
[08:38] <godsmoke> right, it wasn't supposed to
[08:38] <godsmoke> the su password is your user password -- there is no direct root login
[08:38] <evangelion> so how do i run apt then?
[08:38] <godsmoke> sudo* rather
[08:38] <godsmoke> evangelion: there's an entire section of the FAQ about this
[08:39] <evangelion> if basic commands dont work, then there is an issue
[08:39] <godsmoke> this is not a matter of things "not working"
[08:39] <godsmoke> there is no direct root login enabled by default
[08:39] <godsmoke> you're welcome to enable it
[08:40] <godsmoke> running "sudo passwd" and then entering your user password, and then the root password you want will enable direct root login with its own password
[08:40] <MarcosGarcia> hello how to optimize my  kubuntu for slow pcs ??? 
[08:41] <godsmoke> MarcosGarcia: for actual slow computers -- kubuntu is not an ideal choice -- doing a minimal ubuntu install with a lightweight window manager would be best
[08:42] <MarcosGarcia> :(
[08:42] <godsmoke> KDE is a very complicated destop environment
[08:43] <godsmoke> requiring a significant processor and a decent amount of ram
[08:43] <godsmoke> if you have a slow computer -- it's not for you
[08:43] <godsmoke> using a window manager like xfce or fluxbox would be a much better choice
[08:43] <MarcosGarcia> ok thanks
[08:55] <March-RX8> hi ppl
[08:55] <March-RX8> i need to use a usb irda port on a laptop running kubuntu. what shall i do?
[08:56] <godsmoke> March-RX8: load the drivers for it?
[08:56] <March-RX8> i dont hav any drivers. just windows ones
[08:56] <godsmoke> you probably need to do some research on the device, if there are drivers to support it in linux, and so forth
[08:58] <March-RX8> it is a general device, it doesnt hav particular drivers in windows so i dont know in linux
[08:59] <godsmoke> well, the way to find out is to do some research on the device, check if your kernel autoloaded drivers already, and so forth
[09:00] <March-RX8> how can i do, i am a linux beginner
[09:09] <Ayreon> Hi, how do I get a linux ?
[09:10] <Ayreon> theres so many out there, i dont know which 1 to get! :S
[09:10] <Ayreon> Can someone help? please
[09:11] <liz4rd> wow you guys are alot of help :P
[09:12] <liz4rd> get kubuntu linux its what i'm on aswell
[09:12] <liz4rd> google.com search kubuntu ISO
[09:12] <geko> hi to all guys
[09:12] <March-RX8> www.kubuntu.org
[09:12] <geko> i got a full ubuntu system
[09:12] <liz4rd> hey geko
[09:12] <geko> but i wanna go to kde
[09:13] <geko> it's better to install it using apt
[09:13] <liz4rd> lol why arent you in #ubuntu then?
[09:13] <March-RX8> update ur sistem and download kde for ubuntu
[09:13] <geko> or doing a full installation from the sources
[09:13] <liz4rd> how long did it take ?:P
[09:13] <geko> kubuntu-desktop?
[09:13] <liz4rd> yes
[09:13] <March-RX8> depends on ur connection
[09:13] <liz4rd> sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[09:14] <geko> liz4rd, got an erroring that says that need konversation
[09:15] <liz4rd> wtf ? :P it should download the dependancies
[09:15] <geko> don't know why
[09:15] <liz4rd> thats messed
[09:16] <am> hi guys, having some issues with my kwifimanager in hoary
[09:16] <am> it doesn't seem to set wep
[09:16] <am> if i do it manually via iwconfig it works fine
[09:16] <am> and kwifi picks it up
[09:17] <am> is there any way i can debug what is happening?
[09:20] <geko> liz4rd, this is my sources.list
[09:20] <geko> http://rafb.net/paste/results/eaKHnT28.html
[09:21] <March-RX8> what should i use to open .diff files?
[09:22] <am> March-RX8: isnt that a patch file?
[09:22] <liz4rd> add some of my sources to yours http://liz4rd.ath.cx
[09:22] <liz4rd> clikc the middle drive
[09:22] <liz4rd> then linux
[09:22] <liz4rd> then apt
[09:22] <liz4rd> and there you go
[09:22] <March-RX8> am: so what i should do to install that?
[09:24] <am> March-RX8: usually you use the patch program to apply it to source code...then compile the source code
[09:24] <am> March-RX8: whats the file from?
[09:24] <March-RX8> linux-irda project
[09:24] <March-RX8> i am an ignorant in linux
[09:25] <March-RX8> i just need to use a irda port on my laptop
[09:25] <elmago> hi all
[09:25] <nikkia> geko, if you have backports in there, take it out, and update the cache before trying to install KDE
[09:25] <nikkia> there is a version of konversation in backports that depends on kde 3.4.1 and thus won't install
[09:25] <am> March-RX8: thats ok, can you give me a link as to where you found it, i can have a look and see whats going on
[09:26] <March-RX8> http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/IrDA/IrDA.html
[09:27] <yourghetek> i have a kubuntu machine that says fsck error and goes straight into console without the ability to ctrl alt f* into different modes.
[09:28] <geko> nikkia, thx now is working
[09:28] <geko> after it has installed
[09:28] <geko> waht can i remove
[09:28] <geko> to have only kde?
[09:28] <nikkia> geko, you could remove ubuntu-desktop
[09:28] <geko> thx!
[09:29] <am> MarchRX8: ok, what device do you have...im not so sure you need anything at all
[09:29] <nikkia> its safe to have both on the system though, if you have enough disk space
[09:29] <March-RX8> a usb-irda port
[09:29] <March-RX8> and i'm running kubuntu-ppc
[09:30] <geko> nikkia, i can select wich one start from the menu?
[09:30] <nikkia> yes
[09:30] <am> March-RX8: ok, do you know if there definately IS a driver for linux? sometimes if hardware vendors dont release information about a device, then linux basically cant encorporate it unless the hardware vendor actually makes drivers
[09:31] <March-RX8> i dont hav any linux driver in the box
[09:31] <am> March-RX8: ok, well then what is the brand of your irda adaptor?
[09:32] <March-RX8> extreme
[09:32] <geko> nikkia, not so much space
[09:32] <geko> at least i ll remove the package
[09:32] <nikkia> march, have you tried 'modprobe irda-usb' ?
[09:33] <March-RX8> no, because i dont know so many text line commands
[09:33] <am> March-RX8: ok, erm..does it come up automatically in Kde control center under irda?
[09:34] <March-RX8> i'll check
[09:34] <March-RX8> isnt there sth like "harddrake" in kubuntu?
[09:35] <March-RX8> there is no irda voice in kontrol centre
[09:35] <am> March-RX8: not really, most stuff is automagically detected if it has a linux driver
[09:37] <March-RX8> i dont see it anywhere
[09:37] <am> March-RX8: ok, can you open up a console...
[09:37] <ep> Kubuntu has set up KDE in a way that I can't figure simple things out.  For instance, I have no trash icon.   This is ok I guess, I like a blank desktop.  But how might I empty it?  I right click the desktop and there's only an option to undo trash, not empty it
[09:38] <am> ep, open konq, type trash:/
[09:38] <am> ep: i have it in my kicker though..from default
[09:38] <Tm_T> ep: or if you wan't enable trash icon to desktop...
[09:38] <Tm_T> or if you like to control it from Kmenu
[09:39] <Tm_T> or...
[09:39] <Tm_T> there's enough options
[09:39] <March-RX8> yes i can open  konsole
[09:40] <Tm_T> ep: just tell me the way you like to do it, and I'll tell ;)
[09:40] <March-RX8> what should i do in konsole
[09:40] <ep> I try it on kicker but FMI, how do i get it on the desktop
[09:41] <Tm_T> ep: so you wan't trash icon to your desktop?
[09:41] <ep> yes
[09:41] <Tm_T> in Konsole: nano ~/Desktop/trash.desktop
[09:41] <March-RX8> sorry but i should go now
[09:41] <March-RX8> thanks for help
[09:42] <March-RX8> bye
[09:42] <Tm_T> Hidden=true <- change it false
[09:42] <ep> How do I get a "Home Folder" Icon on the panel
[09:42] <nikkia> ep, there already is one
[09:43] <am> ep which version of kubuntu are you using..my default had all this set up?
[09:43] <nikkia> pull up/down on the computer icon (second icon from left) and select 'Home Folder'
[09:43] <am> and mine is a brand new install from yesterday
[09:44] <ep> dunno the version ubuntu version 5,04 and apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[09:44] <Tm_T> ep: and you can upgrade your KDE to 3.4.1 too ;)
[09:45] <ep> how do i upgrade to 3.4.1
[09:46] <Tm_T> you know how to edit your sources.list?
[09:46] <ep> yes
[09:46] <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php
[09:47] <ep> add that line right
[09:48] <ep> nm, i'm checking out the page.... typing got in a hurry
[09:51] <ep> nikkia I already know about the "System Menu" (the computer icon) and I already know the menu it pops up contains a home folder.  But I want one directly on the panel ( one click instead of two)  This should be a simple matter to accomplish.
[09:51] <ep> but its isnt:(
[09:53] <geko> nikkia: everything was fine
[09:53] <Tm_T> ep: easy
[09:54] <Tm_T> ep: you do have home icon on desktop?
[09:55] <ep> No my desktop only contains device icon(s)
[09:55] <ep> No trash icon even:)
[09:55] <aseigo> ep: here's the easy way ... select Home from the system button... when konqi opens up, drag the icon in the location bar to the panel
[09:55] <Tm_T> so, first, create home icon to desktop (I don't know how to do this directly)
[09:55] <aseigo> ep: voila
[09:55] <Tm_T> aseigo: damn, guru!
[09:56] <Tm_T> I was creating home icon to desktop and then drag
[09:56] <yourghetek> what is the password for the cedega transgaming cvs?
[09:57] <aseigo> and creating a home icon on the desktop is right click -> create new -> link to url -> for the location type $HOME
[09:57] <ep> Where's the system buttton? 
[09:58] <aseigo> $HOME and $USER are magic things in .desktop files (aka "icons")
[09:59] <ep> I create one one the desktop drag it to the panel and delete it from the desktop afterwards. Hows that?
[10:00] <Tm_T> aseigo: yaight
[10:01] <ep> Ok create link to URL made the icon on my desktop -- its not the house icon however:)  
[10:02] <Tm_T> I'm glad I can't keep icons on desktop
[10:02] <Tm_T> ep: then change it ;p
[10:02] <Tm_T> ap rightclick on icon -> settings (or similar) and click icon part
[10:02] <Tm_T> ep I mean
[10:03] <deco> moin
[10:03] <aseigo> yep, right click, select Properties, click the icon button in the top left, look for the Home icon (or better: use the search line there)
[10:03] <ep> ok I've got the happy home on my panel :)
[10:03] <deco> german ?
[10:03] <ep> Thanks sorry to be a pain
[10:04] <aseigo> btw, you could've just dragged the Home entry from the K Menu to the panel
[10:06] <Tm_T> yup
[10:06] <Tm_T> too easy
[10:06] <ep> Its now own the K menu -- I only found one home icon on my whole system.  That was the one on the panel system menu and that one wouldnt drag!
[10:10] <ep> Also, on my old KDE, I had a personalized menu (just like the system menu with the computer icon).
[10:10] <ep> I can't seem to make one now.  How did i do it before? I  know about the quick launcher, but I like the personalized menu better.  
[10:13] <Venom> Hi all
[10:13] <Venom> excuse me i have a small problem with kubuntu
[10:14] <gdh> Ask and we can try and help :)
[10:14] <Venom> Sound server informational message:
[10:14] <Venom> Error while initializing the sound driver:
[10:14] <Venom> device: default can't be opened for playback (Device or resource busy)
[10:14] <Venom> The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
[10:14] <Venom> excuse me for my bad english i'm italian
[10:15] <troy> Venom: do you have a /dev/snd ?
[10:15] <Venom> wait a minute i see
[10:15] <Venom> yes
[10:16] <apollo2011> How do I re-apply the GRUB boot loader? I installed Ubuntu but then re-applied my SuSE GRUB bootloader from in YaST and now I want to revert to the Ubuntu boot loader so I can eventually get rid of SuSE and my old WinXP partitions.
[10:17] <gdh> apollo2011: 'grub-install' ?
[10:17] <troy> okay, that means you should have a working sound driver at the kernel level- try going to the Control Center->Sound&Multimedia->Sound System; uncheck "Enable the sound system", apply; check "Enable the sound system", apply; hit Test Sound and see if you get sound
[10:17] <apollo2011> that might work.  All the config and stuff are still intact in the /boot.  Its just I had YaST overwrite what was placed in the mbr
[10:18] <Venom> now i can ear only front speaker
[10:19] <Venom> the rear and sub no
[10:19] <nikkia> hmmm, i wish KDE had something like audacity :/
[10:19] <Venom> i don't have audacity
[10:20] <Venom> i have Typhoon Acoustic Six
[10:20] <nikkia> eh?
[10:20] <Venom> ops sorry
[10:21] <nikkia> audacity, its a multitrack audio recording program
[10:21] <nikkia> but it uses OSS and some very gnome-like look and feel
[10:21] <gdh> uses GTK1 :/
[10:21] <apollo2011> gdh: looks like that will work.  You select the device and it puts the conf in the /boot, and then applies it to the mbr, which is the part I wiped out on purpose
[10:21] <nikkia> gdh, i suspected as much
[10:21] <gdh> nice piece of software, just needs brought up to date :)
[10:22] <apollo2011> gdh: I can also backup my /boot and then replace to get back the config I have now
[10:22] <nikkia> gdh, something that uses arts, or even just alsa, and had a nicer UI would be very welcome
[10:22] <nikkia> gdh, yeah, altho the plugin system seems to be terrible
[10:22] <gdh> dep. on GTK isn't a problem, just not on GNOME itself :)
[10:22] <gdh> nikkia: I'm not an audiophile.. I just use such apps for cutting bits out of mp3s to make nice looping ringtones mostly :)
[10:22] <apollo2011> whoa I just moved the mouse to the edge of the screen and it scrolled the view of the desktop over to the left and then reset itself
[10:22] <nikkia> i was just playing about with it, recording some bass, and realised i hate its UI
[10:23] <gdh> I hate things that don't loop properly :)
[10:23] <uniq> gdh: can you please rewrite audacity to qt4? thx :)
[10:23] <uniq> hi btw.
[10:23] <apollo2011> I like Audacity
[10:24] <nikkia> evening uniq
[10:24] <uniq> hi nikkia.
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[10:24] <nikkia> apollo, i don't like GTK or OSS tho :P
[10:24] <mrmanic> uniq: did you package that ipod kioslave?
[10:24] <uniq> mrmanic: i did. just packaged it though.. no development. 
[10:24] <gdh> I noticed Andrew de Quincey did it :) A familiar name in DVB circles...
[10:25] <mrmanic> uniq: so I should probably let the developers know about a bug? ;)
[10:25] <uniq> mrmanic: yes, if it's a bug in the software you should. you can cc to me in a mail, if you mail them :)
[10:26] <uniq> frode@lnix.net is me.
[10:26] <mrmanic> ah, ok
[10:26] <mrmanic> thanks
[10:27] <ep> Ok back to the KDE 3.4.1 upgrade.  Sorry for the delay, I'm like a kid in a candy store....  I've updated my sources, what next?
[10:28] <yourghetek> argh!
[10:28] <yourghetek> pastebin isnt working
[10:28] <nikkia> argh, audacity crashed!
[10:28] <gdh> nikkia: wine + sound forge? :)
[10:29] <uniq> ep: apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade, or if you use kynaptic, start clicking the buttons from left to right. all of them :)
[10:29] <yourghetek> anybody know a place where i can drop my floods?
[10:29] <yourghetek> besides pastebin...
[10:29] <gdh> nikkia: I was disappointed to see that Sony is now branded on Sound Forge.. I miss the old logo of some guy hammering a snake :)
[10:29] <apollo2011> OK, I used grub-install to re-apply GRUB to the /boot and MBR and I got this error: http://sial.org/pbot/11410.  Once I get it to replace both, I am going to reset my config in /boot to the one I have now that isn't in use.
[10:29] <uniq> yourghetek: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:29] <gdh> yourghetek: pastebin.ca ? :)
[10:29] <yourghetek> thx guys
[10:29] <nikkia> gdh, its disgusting that sony own sound forge
[10:30] <nikkia> they only bought it for vegas too
[10:30] <gdh> nikkia: Sounds about right.
[10:30] <gdh> nikkia: I also noticed nothing new whatsoever in Sony's 7.0
[10:30] <gdh> lovely app :)
[10:30] <ep> Ok i'll do those apt-gets. I dont' use kynaptic.
[10:31] <gdh> nikkia: :(
[10:31] <yourghetek> my wine installer died... http://pastebin.ca/16149
[10:32] <soulfly> hi . i'm trying to get blue-tooth to work (kubuntu hoary).  Is gnome-bluetooth the best choise even for kubuntu?
[10:35] <nikkia> soulfly: no
[10:35] <nikkia> soulfly: kde-bluetooth is better
[10:36] <nikkia> kdebluetooth even
[10:36] <soulfly> nikkia: is it in hoary?
[10:36] <uniq> no it's not.
[10:36] <nikkia> i think you need to add a external repos that just contains it
[10:37] <soulfly> okay. i have the KDE kubuntu repo
[10:37] <nikkia> hmmm, where DID i get it ??
[10:37] <nikkia> ahh
[10:37] <soulfly> :-)  can't you see that with apt?
[10:37] <nikkia> deb http://fred.hexbox.de/debian ./
[10:37] <gdh> if yourghetek comes back, can someone point him at http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/hoary/
[10:38] <nikkia> it needs bluez, which should be in hoary, i think
[10:38] <gdh> 1 week old, and hella easier than compiling that beast
[10:38] <gdh> OK, 5 weeks old, but my other point still stands :)
[10:39] <soulfly> nikkia: installing...
[10:39] <soulfly> nikkia: allready installed bluez-utils with deps
[10:39] <BkE> ik ben dom
[10:39] <BkE> amsg roelz
[10:39] <BkE> amsg :D
[10:39] <nikkia> gdh, i found 'some' of my bass recording...
[10:40] <nikkia> gdh, and found that audacity, helpfully, cuts it into small <1.2MB chunks
[10:40] <nikkia> so you have to paste everything back to one single waveform yourself
[10:40] <BkE> BkE is slim (amsg)
[10:40] <ep> Since my configuration was somewhat oddball. I'm wondering if I should  install the package maintainers configuration or keep mine?  
[10:42] <BkE> Kahlan schopt (amsg)
[10:44] <nikkia> oh well, bbl
[10:45] <soulfly> nikkia: it says I can replace bluez pin something with some kde stuff in /usr/lib. do you know what that is?
[10:47] <BkE> 9,9 Debruineo tis fuCk off
[10:48] <BkE>  Debruineo tis fuCk off
[10:49] <soulfly> anyone knows what password i must enter in the phone when I try to connect to it?
[10:49] <soulfly> bluetooth that is
[10:49] <soulfly> im using kdebluetooth
[10:49] <BkE> 't is feest vandaag! [aMSG] 
[10:49] <konrad> soulfly:have you tried your user password?
[10:49] <ep> I've completed the KDE 3.4.1 upgrade.  Should I remove the line I added to the  source repository or leave it?
[10:50] <soulfly> konrad: no.. trying that
[10:50] <nikki_a> soulfly: the bluez-pin stuff is the program that handles asking you to type in a PIN number for a device
[10:50] <nikki_a> the original bluez-pin obviously doesn't do much, the kdebluetooth one prompts with a KDE dialog box
[10:50] <konrad> soulfly: nikki_a have idea :)
[10:51] <uniq> bke: stop using colors please.
[10:51] <soulfly> nikki_a: thanks. what was that kde alternative that was displayed at start?
[10:51] <BkE> srry.
[10:51] <nikki_a> soulfly, offhand, dunno, i had to shut down my PC, bad storm here
[10:52] <nikki_a> so i'm on my laptop, which doesn't have bluetooth installed
[10:52] <nikki_a> and i'm getting scared by the lightning :(
[10:53] <soulfly> nikki_a: good for you to have a laptop now :)
[10:54] <ep> Should I leave the line I added to my sources list in order to upgrade KDE?
[10:55] <Tm_T> BkE: oh thank you
[10:55] <Tm_T> ep: leave it
[10:55] <BkE> i was testing /amsg :p
[10:55] <Tm_T> you just pissed off one old fart
[10:56] <nikkia> bke, active channels aren't the place to test commands that do that kind of thing
[10:56] <Tm_T> BkE: or do it in #xchat
[10:56] <BkE> ok ok...
[10:57] <Tm_T> murrmurr
[10:57] <Tm_T> BkE: relax, I can't kick you out ] ;=
[10:57] <BkE> no chanserv or something like that here,
[10:57] <BkE> ?
[10:57] <uniq> yes there is.
[10:58] <uniq> it's just hiding.
[10:59] <Tm_T> I mean I can't get op here
[10:59] <Tm_T> but some of us can
[10:59] <Riddell> Tm_T: do you want ops?
[10:59] <Tm_T> Riddell: no need to, thanks :)
[10:59] <soulfly> nikkia: im running /usr/lib/kdebluetooth/kbluepin and enter a pin. On the phone im asked for a password (cant see what im typing). just typing the pin here do not work (maybe im typing chars)
[11:00] <nikkia> soulfly: you don't run kbluepin yourself
[11:00] <nikkia> soulfy, you point the bluez pin command to it, and it will pop up that window when a PIN is needed
[11:00] <Tm_T> Riddell: it's better if I can't be police everywhere
[11:00] <soulfly> nikkia: you mean delete it and create a symlink?
[11:01] <nikkia> soulfly, you can do that, or you can edit the bluez configuration files and there is a line that tells it which program to run for a PIN request
[11:01] <soulfly> nikkia: tnx. -> off to work
[11:08] <soulfly> nikkia: thanks!  very nice services in konqueror :)   now, where can i send the money ;)
[11:09] <Tm_T> soulfly: to me, use dcc
[11:09] <jc-denton> hey keep up the good work
[11:09] <Tm_T> 7dcc send nikkia bribe
[11:09] <Tm_T> ;p
[11:09] <soulfly> :-)  you mean dcc safe money transfer?
[11:09] <jc-denton> i want ubuntu with a non-broken desktop :)
[11:10] <mrmanic> anybody know whether it's possible to set network kioslaves to stream data over the network instead of copying it to your home directory?
[11:10] <mrmanic> specifically smb
[11:10] <Tm_T> uhm
[11:10] <mrmanic> but I feel as though I have that problem with other network kioslaves too.
[11:11] <nikkia> soulfly, if there's one thing i'd say its missing, its BT Imaging support
[11:11] <nikkia> but there doesn't seem to be anything on linux that supports the Imaging profile
[11:11] <nikkia> a shame too, as my phone does support it
[11:26] <jc-denton> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/web/mozilla-firefox
[11:26] <jc-denton> will i ever get a ubuntu-firefox which does not depend on all gnome stuff
[11:28] <kalenedrael> no
[11:28] <kalenedrael> firefox uses gtk
[11:28] <jc-denton> well that's not gnome
[11:28] <kalenedrael> if you like, you can get the firefox source code and modify it to use qt
[11:28] <jc-denton> some gnome porcesses are started when firefox runs
[11:28] <kalenedrael> well, gtk is like half of gnome :P
[11:28] <kalenedrael> that's crap
[11:28] <jc-denton> and it's not so well integrated in kde
[11:29] <kalenedrael> then use konqueror
[11:29] <nikkia> there IS a firefox-qt, it just doesn't seem to be very actively developed
[11:29] <kalenedrael> ok, or use firefox-qt
[11:31] <jc-denton> well if u click twice on the icon it's startet twice
[11:31] <jc-denton> kalenedrael: i can't
[11:31] <kalenedrael> what?
[11:31] <kalenedrael> and if you click once on the icon...?
[11:33] <jc-denton> or something
[11:33] <jc-denton> dont remeber that :D
[11:33] <jc-denton> im on debian atm
[11:40] <ep> I text icons in konqs view pane are ridiculously (IMO) large.  How can I change this, I'm only finding font options in the settings menu.
[11:41] <ep> never mind its the view menu, not the settings menu :)
[11:46] <ep> Plus text icons were on preview mode so I was thumbnail type presentation.  Even cpp files. Silly.  
[11:47] <ateves> hi there
[11:48] <ateves> i have a wlan problem with the actual kubuntu distribution. i have wlan0 in iwconfig and ifconfig. i can ping my router. but when i use control center - internet & network - network settings, there is wlan0, but all buttons are disabled, so i can't enter a gateway or anything the same in administration mode
[11:49] <uniq> does this happen when you run kcontrol as root too? (alt+f2 'kdesu kcontrol' <enter>)
[11:49] <hussam> anybody has any idea when OpenOffice.org 2.0 will be out?
[11:50] <ateves> yes, that's my problem :(
[11:50] <godsmoke> hussam: try asking the openoffice devs -- there's a freenode channel
[11:50] <godsmoke> hussam: obviously, #kubuntu is not the place to find out
[11:51] <hussam> godsmoke: sorry I didn't know there was a channel for openoffice.org, heading there now :)
[11:52] <godsmoke> hussam: it's pretty much just common sense -- I guarentee there are way more people using openoffice than there are using kubuntu
[11:53] <hussam> godsmoke: I see what you mean. I guess I was only asking randomly.
[11:56] <mrmanic> godsmoke: it's hard when the people here are so awesome and have the answers so often to not ask questions here.
[11:56] <godsmoke> mrmanic: heh
[11:57] <godsmoke> well, as a general rule of thumb -- unless stated on their website, a developer's group doesn't know exactly when their currently beta project will be released
[11:57] <godsmoke> you just wait
[11:58] <mrmanic> I don't wait.
[11:58] <mrmanic> I give up
[11:58] <mrmanic> and 2 years later I come back to it and it's generally either dead or WAY MORE AWESOME than when I dropped it.
[11:59] <hussam> godsmoke: well sometimes they do think you are nagging if you ask when a product will be out. But some developers do get used to the nagging.
[11:59] <godsmoke> hussam: I agree -- which is why I'd just sit on my hands :)
[11:59] <godsmoke> it'll be released when it's released
[12:00] <mrmanic> godsmoke: no no...asking a developer every day when it'll be released makes it faster.  Kinda like putting speed stripes on your car.
[12:01] <mrmanic> <-- middle management PHB with a car with stripes on it.
[12:01] <nmorse> God, why won't klineakconfig compile?!?