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[01:22] actually.. it rocks. korganizer is good. [01:27] no it's not [01:27] but worth trying === Tm_Kopete [~travolta@a84-230-24-220.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #kubuntu === Tm_Kopete [~travolta@a84-230-24-220.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #kubuntu ["uhm"] [01:32] monchy: what do you mean by "no tabbed messaging"? [01:33] monchy: I ask only because I currently have a single tabbed message window, so I figure you must be talking about some OTHER awesome feature. [01:33] like in gaim/trillian, a new convo gets opened up in a tab and not a whole new window [01:33] was just saying thats what kopete lacks [01:33] hey monchy what are those windows codecs called? the package name [01:34] w32codecs [01:34] thx [01:34] no worries [01:34] monchy: err, tabs are in kopete too [01:34] i never seen tabbed messaging in kopete -.- [01:34] haha [01:34] I just tested different settings [01:34] instead of laughing how about showing me ;) [01:34] errh [01:34] you asked for it [01:36] so can you produce a screen capture or not? [01:37] http://liz4rd.ath.cx/.imagedump [01:38] monchy: sure [01:39] http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kopete_001.png [01:41] hah how bout that. should be the default instead of the way they have it [01:43] hmm, I thought that is default... don't know sure, I use svn trunk :p === wincide [~tricoma@167.Red-83-52-166.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu === Heart_ [~jzdgc@p549C38FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu === wirwzd [~wirwzd@c-24-218-115-209.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === unome [~unome@ool-4351821f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #kubuntu === tekeo [~tekeo@adsl-3e74fadd.gavlenet.com] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === wincide [~tricoma@167.Red-83-52-166.pooles.rima-tde.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === ychahibi [~ychahibi@adsl-45-176-192-81.adsl2.iam.net.ma] has joined #kubuntu [02:02] Kubuntu installation finished. Enjoyment started . :) === ychahibi [~ychahibi@adsl-45-176-192-81.adsl2.iam.net.ma] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === penguinboy [~penguinbo@24-159-145-55.dhcp.smrt.tn.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:06] hey guys === _dwmurphy is now known as dwmurphy [02:07] penguinboy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [02:07] !!! [02:07] !! [02:07] ! [02:07] what? [02:08] heyhey hey [02:08] how is lizzy [02:08] uhm [02:08] hey TT [02:08] spamncheese is calling for you [02:08] ok, I'm off, sleep well comrades [02:08] #spamncheese [02:09] no one is in spamncheese [02:09] i am [02:09] guys, I'm using a router to connect two PC, on this box ifconfig reveals the ip of the router .. how do I change that? === duende [~duende@stjhnf01bb8-142162177248.nl.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:14] are the trackers for the kubuntu dvd images down? [02:16] unome: are you using dhcp? [02:16] yes [02:16] unome: is it a consumer router like a linksys or netgear? [02:16] yes [02:17] unome: what is the address of the router? [02:17] 192.168.1.1? [02:17] 192.168.0.2 [02:17] .0.2? [02:17] that's interesting [02:17] normally it's .1 [02:17] that's what is says [02:17] inet addr:192.168.0.2 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 [02:18] what do you get when you do ping 192.168.0.1? [02:18] nothing [02:18] 21 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 19996ms [02:18] hmm [02:19] wait [02:19] firewall, sorry [02:19] yes I can ping it so that's my router addy [02:19] gnite guys. [02:19] night uniq [02:19] now this box is 192.168.0.2 [02:19] g'nite uniq [02:19] unome: that is pretty standard [02:19] but's that's not my ip is it? [02:20] unome: it should be [02:20] whois me [02:20] unome: your internal ip is different from your external ip [02:21] unome: this is something called NAT routing [02:21] I see [02:21] it allows you to share a single external IP among multiple computers. [02:21] so, when I open a port it's for my internal not external [02:21] guys, feel free to use !learn to learn kinfo smart things like NAT and such !help for info. [02:22] !learn NAT [02:22] bot? [02:22] !help [02:22] Available commands: !help, !uptime, !netuse, ??, !!, !cs, !whoset, !learn, !relearn, !forget, !topten, !status [02:22] yes. '!learn nat what is nat.' would be correct. [02:22] oooh, neat [02:22] this is good :) [02:23] there is a webinterface too. http://frode.kde.no/kinfo/ [02:23] just for seearching though. [02:23] now, gnite for real. [02:23] ok, night night uniq [02:24] dammit, unome left! I wasn't done explaining NAT! [02:24] explain it in a !learn :) [02:24] http://frode.kde.no/kinfo/?find=%25 to see what's already learned. === unome [~unome@ool-4351821f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:25] unome: did you figure it out? [02:25] jeez konversation crushed again [02:25] damn [02:25] mrmanic: nah trying [02:25] my konversation is rock solid [02:25] unome: what are you trying to do? [02:25] rolled it your self? [02:25] nah [02:25] it's the kubuntu one. === Octane [~octane@dsl092-100-149.nyc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:26] konvi 0.16 [02:26] from 3.4.1 [02:26] mrmanic: well trying to get firestarter to see my box as my extenal ip so that I can close and open ports on the fly [02:26] ahh I'm using 0.18 [02:27] unome: is your box the only box that needs to be able to have ports open? [02:27] yes [02:27] unome: if you're not scared, you might close all your ports and put yourself in the DMZ [02:27] most routers have a DMZ [02:28] what's dmz? [02:28] demilitarized zone [02:28] secure? [02:29] if there's such thing as secure to begin with [02:29] Internet <-> DMZ <-> Clients === nerd [~nerd@pool-151-197-6-43.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:29] Hey there. [02:29] so how do I do that? [02:29] hi nerd [02:29] I was wondering, why are graphical root logins not allowed as default in kubuntu? and how can I change this? [02:30] unome: Hey :) [02:30] nerd: security [02:30] nerd sudo su - === DiESELMuSA [~dieselmus@193.217.171.91] has joined #kubuntu [02:30] umone: Well, yeah, but I need to do a graphical login. You know...from kdm? [02:30] and logging in as full root is a VERY bad idea [02:30] KaiL: I know this. I'm doing it so's I can add a printer using KDE's print manager [02:31] you can currently too [02:31] KaiL: "Can currently too"? What does this mean? [02:32] start the printer managemant tool, and look at the bottom, the button in the middle :) === _ksb [~ksb@81-86-109-195.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:32] KaiL: I'd still like to be able to do a full graphical root login.... [02:32] !learn what is nat [02:32] Inprinted what (memory injection successful) [02:33] hmm [02:33] !forget what [02:33] what was supressed [02:33] !learn nat network address translation [02:33] Inprinted nat (memory injection successful) [02:33] ?? nat [02:33] [nat] network address translation [02:33] :) [02:33] KaiL: Ok. Something's wrong. It keeps refusing my password. Perhaps I cannot su? [02:33] oh, I sure can teach this bot all bad info :) [02:34] user-PW? [02:34] (it's using sudo, but not saying that very clear) [02:34] KaiL: I just had to run "gpasswd -a nerd sudo [02:34] No biggie === duende_ [~duende@stjhnf01bb8-142162177213.nl.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:35] KaiL: Damn! Now it says "Su returned with an error" [02:35] This is not going well so far. === douglas [~douglas@dpc6745164251.direcpc.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:36] gpasswd -a nerd sudo << what on earth? === sproingie [~chuck@64-121-15-14.c3-0.sfrn-ubr8.sfrn.ca.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:37] KaiL: I was adding my user to the group "sudo" as listed in /etc/group [02:38] ...interesting, that I don't have my user in that group here ;) === _h [~h@p548A89BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [02:39] KaiL: For some odd reason, I had to set up all users and passwords (and groups) manually after the Kubuntu install. I take it I'm not supposed to have to do this. [02:39] that's not good... [02:39] but sudo works now? [02:40] KaiL: Maybe I should add users in another fashion. At least I would if I could actually USE KDE AS ROOT! Do you know how to allow root logins? I REALLY need the ability to administer graphically [02:40] KaiL, After all. I have to fix all these problems. Oooh man. Kubuntu is giving me more trouble than my Gentoo box. [02:41] nerd: edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc to allow root logins from kdm. [02:41] change AllowRootLogin=false [02:41] to true === duende__ [~duende@stjhnf01bb8-142162185022.nl.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:42] nerd: as you probably already know, it's not recommended to run KDE as root. [02:42] and now, good night for real. [02:42] uniq, Yep. I've been told. thanks [02:44] what packages do I have to have to mount a smb volume with fstab options? [02:44] smbfs === hernan [~hernan@pc-140-243-120-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #kubuntu === hernan [~hernan@pc-140-243-120-200.cm.vtr.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === _h [~h@p548A89BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [02:45] Kubuntu comes with that right? [02:46] ..at least it's in main :) === Octane [~octane@dsl092-100-149.nyc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu === grimse [~malte@p5481F490.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === gandalfsbigwand [~gandalfsb@006791687c3aa557.session.tor] has joined #kubuntu [02:48] anyone know where kcolorchooser package is for Ubuntu Hoary? [02:48] I'm looking for the kcolorchooser program which is part of a larger package of programs for KDE but I can't find it in the repositories. I tried custom searches in synaptic but found nothing. [02:48] kcoloredit [02:49] is the packagename [02:49] uniq, hi thanks I searched for that too but couldn't find it [02:50] it's in universe [02:50] ok I have kdegraphics installed but I can't find kcoloredit on my system?? [02:50] very odd [02:50] kcolorchooser shouls be there then. [02:50] it only finds icons for it [02:51] i have both. [02:51] alt+f2 'kcolorchooser' enter [02:51] gives an error [02:51] ;( [02:52] I'm using ubuntu with all kde installed [02:52] strange. apt-get install --reinstall kcoloredit [02:52] thx i'll try one second [02:52] Couldn't find package kcoloredit [02:52] ah.. it [02:52] it's been introduced in 3.4.1.. [02:53] kcolorchooser was in previous versions of kde... [02:53] I have KDE 3.4.1 [02:53] I mean 3.4.0 [02:54] it should be in there.. oh well, if not, is there a gnome equiv? [02:54] http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=kcolorchooser&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=hoary&arch=i386 [02:55] i really have to go to bed now. install that package and you'll have kcolorchooser. [02:55] ?? sources.list [02:55] [sources.list] example /etc/apt/sources.list with all official repositories plus KDE 3.4.1 and Koffice 1.4 from kubuntu.org can be found at: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/303802 [02:55] uniq, thanks for your help [02:55] to enable universe and get kde 3.4.1 and koffice 1.4 (if you want) [02:55] no problem.. and good night. [02:55] =) [02:55] gn === ookii [~ookii@pcp04395065pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:58] i'm having the hardest time installing transcode, anyone know of any alternatives? === penguinboy [~penguinbo@24-159-145-55.dhcp.smrt.tn.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu [03:01] ookii: 'mencoder'/'mplayer' but there are ready made 'transcode' packages, which install just right. [03:01] i am interested in these packages you speak of [03:01] really i want dvd rip, but i learn this is a front end for transcode, so apparently i want transcode === _unome [~unome@ool-43513cf5.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:03] ookii: look for the marillat repository at nerim [03:04] ookii: in general check http://WWW.apt-get.org/ out before thinking of installing things yourself... [03:04] Blissex: the marillat apt source isnt' working for transcode [03:04] ookii: you also want 'dvd::rip' from the same repository. [03:04] ookii: then download the source debs and recompile, or be careful about the dependencies... [03:06] Blissex: eh, i downloaded everything transcode wanted, configure went fine, but i had some ogg vorbis errors or something during the make === aseigo [~aseigo@aseigo.kde] has joined #kubuntu [03:06] ookii: but really it should work with the binaries without much trouble... [03:07] ookii: you may need to tweak carefully the dependencies using 'aptitude' [03:08] Blissex: ah i have no idea what that is, it's sad because all i want this computer to basically do is rip dvds, but it doens't look like it's going to happen [03:10] ookii: try to install the Debian 3.1 (''sarge'') release, it is similar to Ubuntu and the Marillat repository is based on it. [03:10] ookii: BTW, I also have some 'transcode' dependency problem; I must keep 0.6.x installed, instead of 1.0.x [03:11] Blissex: my previous experience was all debian, but me wanting to not work very hard to set things up, debian was behind the times, but i read now it's up to date or something [03:11] ookii: for now it is up to date, released a few weeks ago... [03:11] Blissex: debian with kde is just more work, kubuntu comes all good to go :-p === Blissex [~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #KUbuntu ["Konversation] === Heart_2 [~jzdgc@p549C36D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu === Kaiser_schlafen is now known as Kamping_Kaiser === KevManU_ [~kevin@p5488AD7C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu === BROKEN_LADDER [~pral@h-69-3-236-189.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #KUBUNTU === quijote [~quijote@dsl.shannon.id.au] has joined #kubuntu === str [~str@216.230.136.242] has joined #kubuntu === _tron [~tron@201.247.88.96] has joined #kubuntu === The_bellman [~The_bellm@dsl.shannon.id.au] has joined #kubuntu === grimse [~malte@p5481F490.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:42] what kind of email account is gmail (as in i want to get kmail to check it... is that possible?)? [03:42] gmail offers pop3 access [03:42] gracias [03:42] you need to sign into your gmail account online, and enable it === Neuromantik [~neuro@cpe-24-165-34-225.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [03:46] damnit, i suppose you enable pop3 in settings, and settngs can't be accessed by konq cause its not fully supported [03:47] ... i just made the switch from gnome, and have to get used to the new gotchas === peret [~peret@62.57.219.233] has joined #kubuntu === gm78 [~gm78@S01060004e28f5eac.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu === _tron [~tron@201.247.88.96] has joined #kubuntu === gm78 [~gm78@S01060004e28f5eac.cg.shawcable.net] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [04:02] :( Kontact is saying that kwallet isnt avaliable, so i opened up kwallet, and it still says its not avaliable. === Kamping_Kaiser is now known as Kaiser_away [04:05] The_bellman: KDED or someting is crashy [04:05] try to create new wallet ;p === Ahmuck [~chatzilla@24.225.23.102] has joined #kubuntu [04:07] you got mugged [04:09] lol === _tron [~tron@201.247.88.96] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [04:18] nope, I've been mugged and left to bleed on the sidewalk :P ...oh well you cant win them all [04:19] speaking of winning them all, is there a way to get a gnome applet to run as a kde applet? === Psynecologist [~neuro@cpe-24-165-34-225.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === duende_ [~duende@stjh1-2004.nl.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu === faragia [~faragia@202.6.234.34] has joined #kubuntu === faragia is now known as hida === hida is now known as name === name is now known as faragia [04:35] The_bellman: I highly doubt it [04:36] The_bellman: Konqueror will not work with roughly 10% of popular websites -- I just use firefox -- even though it runs slowly in addition to kde [04:44] luckily for me, i dont visit many popular websites :P [04:46] i hear somepeople say that firefox doesnt work with lots of websites, and that konq works with even fewer. Honestly gmail is the only site that ive had areal prob with [04:49] The_bellman: I have never found that to be true [04:50] did anyone else get a grub error 17 when they install kubuntu? [04:50] dwmurphy: when did you get this error? [04:50] right after i installed it, first reboot [04:50] partitions are on sevondary master.. havve xp on the primary.. installed grub in the mbr === parabolize [~paraboliz@68-69-136-167.clspco.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:52] dunno [04:53] did you google the error ...? [04:53] to at least find out what was wrong [04:53] yeah.. something about not recognizing the partition type.. which is odd.. it formattied them itself [04:54] did you read this? [04:54] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36493 [04:54] did you hibernate windows first? [04:54] it seems that windows may be writing a non-known partition for its hibernation [04:55] and that could easily cause grub to error [04:55] no.. not a laptop [04:55] doesn't matter [04:55] i did a normal sthutdown.. i think i did see that post === absinthe_ [~matt@cpe-065-190-143-067.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [04:55] anyway -- sounds like you should do some research -- if all else fails -- then you should redo the partitions [04:55] just some common sense advice [04:57] yeah.. i'm not concerned.. just annoyed :) [04:57] stuff happens [04:57] could have been an error with the partition-making [04:57] yuppers [04:57] you should always be doing them yourself anyway [04:58] they were already done.. i just told it to reformat them [04:58] takes a few minutes -- makes things right [04:58] oh [04:58] who knows -- maybe kubuntu just hates you [04:58] *shrug* === oofnik [~oofnik@c-66-56-40-216.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === transgre1s [~transgres@24-181-91-121.dhcp.dctr.al.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu [05:00] thanks though ;) === parabolize [~paraboliz@68-69-136-167.clspco.adelphia.net] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] === oofnik [~oofnik@c-66-56-40-216.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [05:04] fixmbr is my friend :) === k-net [~dtaylor@dsl-210-15-250-66.NSW.netspace.net.au] has joined #kubuntu === lostmonk [~monk@user-12lddr9.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu [05:05] question [05:05] if i install debain jr, for example [05:05] will it go right into the kde menu [05:05] or a debian subsection? [05:06] will what go right into the kde menu? [05:06] the symlink for the app [05:06] why don't you ask in a Debian Jr. specific help? [05:07] are u a tard? [05:07] i came here for kubuntu [05:07] duh [05:07] then why are you asking about debian jr? [05:07] that's a special distribution -- separate from kubuntu/ubuntu and debian [05:08] debian jr is a group of childrens applications [05:08] it's a distribution [05:08] it never became a distro [05:09] anyway, there is no debian menu in kubuntu [05:09] there is no menu-handling system either, I've been told [05:11] so then installed debs dont make it to the menu? [05:11] right -- the ubuntu package team has to do it [05:11] `menu` was never adopted from debian [05:12] so any menu calls the package wants to make are not going to show up [05:12] hmmz .... no rip in universe [05:12] unless debian-jr becomes an ubuntu package [05:12] what's a good recomendation for ripping CDs ? [05:13] sound juicer [05:13] does it use lame ? [05:13] dunno [05:13] someone else told me about it === Psynecologist checks [05:13] k [05:13] ty [05:13] soundjuicer is gtk-based [05:13] uses gstreamer from their website [05:13] Yikes [05:14] it wants a bunch of gnome [05:14] ... === Psynecologist thinks [05:14] gtk [05:14] arson [05:14] and gstreamer [05:14] = gnome [05:14] ok, is there an easy way of getting a 32-bit libc with apt? [05:14] i'm on an athlon 64 [05:15] i'm trying to compile gcc [05:15] hmm, for that matter, can i tell gcc to only compile for 64-bit? === battlecat [battlecat@pool-71-116-23-20.eriepa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #Kubuntu [05:18] hi [05:18] Im downloading Kubuntu === lostmonk [~monk@user-12lddr9.cable.mindspring.com] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [05:18] I realize that it has KDE does it also retain the GNOME? [05:18] ok [05:19] it doesn't come with the gnome window manager but it has gtk [05:19] and such (i think) [05:19] That is what I was wondering [05:19] battlecat, it has KDE .. to get the gnome as well ... just sudo apt-get install it afterwards [05:19] if not you can always sudo apt-get install [05:19] battlecat, though it seems redundant to have 2 DEs [05:19] i had to sudo apt-get install xchat, for that matter [05:20] i have four window managers [05:20] kde, xfce, enlightenment, and fluxbox [05:20] Thank you Psynecologist. I have a problem I need to be able to download the packages and write them to CD then take them to the totally offline machine to install. Will the Ubuntu package manager be able to do this? [05:20] meh ... either E or kde [05:20] i tried all of them at some point [05:20] no need for kde & gnome imo [05:20] didn't delete them [05:20] i couldn't get used to any of them [05:21] battlecat, dunno .. I'm still new to kubuntu .... I'm a sorcerer/gentoo guy really ;) [05:21] I see. [05:21] I'm sure there must be a directory [05:21] I am looking at all the distros there are just to many [05:21] well .... ubuntu is as easy as it gets [05:21] (k)ubuntu === unome [~unome@ool-43513cf5.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:23] Ive used plain ubunut [05:23] Its really slow on my p3-600 [05:23] depends on the ram usage [05:23] also ... might want to try using a real light wieght wm .. like blackbox or a blackbox clone... openbox, fluxbox etc [05:23] Right now Im running plain XP Pro and its 'fast' [05:24] what are your system specs ? [05:25] 192 megs ram [05:25] 20 gig HD === pobstil [~luke@218-101-69-204.dialup.clear.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu [05:25] p3-600 [05:25] 8 meg agp [05:25] should run linux fine [05:25] thats it [05:25] it runs linux ok but not as fast [05:25] should NOT run kde or gnome fine [05:25] how are you judging fast ? [05:25] use a lightweight wm [05:25] a *box [05:26] nah [05:26] well based off time to have a prog start and delays in menus even with all effects off [05:26] xfce will run fine on that === lexhider [~lexhider@dip-220-235-84-192.vic.westnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [05:26] battlecat, the heavier , beefier, bloatier DEs eat more resorces [05:27] I know [05:27] so don't use them on that system === pobstil [~luke@218-101-69-204.dialup.clear.net.nz] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [05:27] ok [05:27] I understand that [05:27] YIKES [05:27] xfce is pretty and decently lightweight [05:28] I am still trying to figure if its worth going to linux if I give up the tools and speed in XP [05:28] probably best for you [05:28] I just noticed that kubuntu dosen't have 1-4gb ram selected in their kernel [05:28] battlecat: the speed loss you're experiencing is a window manager problem -- it has absolutely nothing to do with "linux" [05:28] I have 1.28gb of ram ... and it's only seeing 906 [05:29] Well programs like blender are much slower even under XFce === lexhider [~lexhider@dip-220-235-84-192.vic.westnet.com.au] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [05:29] Psynecologist: I use 1.5GB of ram here -- no problems [05:29] battlecat, blender uses tons of cpu cycles [05:29] 2 GB in another system [05:29] godsmoke, mine isn't showing [05:29] ( Computer Stats ) [ CPU Model: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+ Speed: 1830.178 MHz Cache: 512 KB ] | RAM Usage: 125/906M [||||||||||] ( 13.8% ) | [ HD Model: Maxtor 6E030L0 Size: 146G with 85G Free ( 58.2% ) ] | Number of process: 66 [05:29] 906 [05:30] good for you [05:30] no [05:30] not good for me [05:30] just telling you that I have kubuntu installed -- no problems [05:30] I have to rebuild the kernel myself [05:30] why wouldn't you anyway? [05:30] do you see your full ram ? [05:30] I used Ubuntu for a month and liked it [05:30] Psynecologist: I said I did, yes [05:31] and you didn't build the kernel yourself with the 1-4gb ram option ? [05:31] not on those systems [05:31] hmm [05:31]