[12:01] mdz: do you have a handy list for outstanding mono->main reports? [12:01] tseng: just what anastacia tells me [12:02] elmo: speaking of which, what would be the best way to set up an automated anastaciai run and publish the result? [12:02] s/iai/ia/ [12:03] mdz: just dug up your last list from devel and subtracted what ive done since. thanks === lsuactiafner [~noirrac@tpc-ip-nas-1-p66.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:03] tseng: is there anything which is ready to move which has not yet been moved? [12:04] Usual question. This time for debiandoc-sgml (oh, yes, I did find the page on alioth, but it's useless, and I could not find it in the debian cvs and svn repos, and the copyright file is useless too). [12:04] mdz: when pitti and I looked at the last batch we were suprised to find some stuff was already moved [12:04] mdz: ill try and check on outstanding stuff [12:05] mdz: the last batch looks to be all settled. [12:06] tseng : do you get paid to develop? [12:06] lsuactiafner: not for ubuntu :) [12:06] tseng: if I recall our last conversation, you said pnet and treecc would go away; that leaves us with only xsp and gmime2.1 [12:06] mdz: xsp should be gone [12:06] mdz: we seeded monodoc-http to universe [12:07] i see evolution-sharp, beagle, gmime2.1, libgmime-cil [12:08] ah evolution-sharp is done [12:08] right, libgmime-cil and libgmime2.1 are from the same source [12:08] ah, right. [12:09] mdz: great, exactly what I expected [12:09] mdz: do you have any idea how to knock the pnet stuff out of the seed? [12:10] tseng: I forget what the situation was with that [12:10] mdz: they supply virtuals [12:10] ah, right [12:10] mdz: mono itself can fill them, so germinate over looks it (same source) [12:10] so the thing to do would be to replace any deps on virtual-package with concrete-package | virtual-package [12:10] hm i think its like that [12:10] mono-mcs | cli-compiler [12:10] one second [12:11] check the rdepends and see if there's another package with a different dep [12:14] nothing is jumping out at me [12:15] does apt-cache depends show only the first virtual option? === mgalvin [~mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] tseng: sorry, I meant the germinate rdepends [12:18] rdepends for pnet-interpreter and treecc has nothing mono-ish [12:18] certainly not mono-mcs [12:18] the only thing i see atm is mono-mcs conflicts with pnet-compiler [12:19] so mono-mcs is the one that we want, right? [12:19] in some packages we have mono-mcs (>= 1.1.6) | c-sharp-compiler, mcs itself is certainly not one of those [12:19] mdz: yep. [12:20] I'll seed mono-mcs, then; that should take care of it === kafeine [~kori@212.39.73.142] has left #ubuntu-devel ["f0ck] [12:20] thatd be perfect === Arrogance [~aks@CPE00112f96b894-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] ill look into gmime, its schweeb's package and beagle reports early this week [12:21] one less breezy goal to bother mdz :) [12:21] tseng, dont forget to change your status ;) [12:22] ogra: ok jane [12:22] completed goals make mdz happy [12:22] hehe [12:22] goals completed early make mdz extra happy [12:22] with REVU we got closer to ExpandingUniverse :) [12:22] ogra: speaking of which, would you update the status of your various goals (and include a date so we can see when it was last updated)? [12:23] mdz, btw, what do we do about UbuntuExpress ... i looked at the package today [12:23] dholbach: REVU? [12:23] mdz: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/index.py [12:23] ogra: ill make mono light green [12:23] ogra: UbuntuExpress needs for me and Kamion to spend some time together [12:23] mdz, the frontend to elma ;) [12:23] mdz: it will hopefully speed up our review process [12:23] dholbach: im not sure speed it up is right [12:23] ah, I've seen this. I didn't realize it had a name [12:23] but its easier to keep track [12:23] of what is ready to go [12:24] and what needs more work [12:24] mdz, i already talked to sabdfl about a vserver or something along this line for it [12:24] tseng: not in terms of just giving signatures for packages [12:25] ogra: i think smurfix is mostly in charge of those, mainly for loco use [12:25] tseng, yes, bu if sbuild doesnt work in a vserver we need to find another solutin [12:25] ogra: oh are they really a vserver? [12:26] we were talking about linode at udu, which is uml or xen [12:26] tseng, dunno, i never saw one [12:26] (xen is in beta) [12:26] yes, i happen to remember something about linode.... [12:26] I will be once the stuff is operational. Coming Soon (for some value of "soon", anyway). [12:27] smurfix: is it a vserver setup? === hughsie [~hughsie@host81-153-4-192.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === ogra wonders if he can switch PowerManagementConfiguration to green already... [12:30] they are still on the udu wiki right? [12:30] yep [12:31] ogra: all except the KDE frontend fone? [12:31] done.. [12:32] KaiL, yes, but gnome-power is waiting to go to main... and i'm wondering if i can already switch status or should wait [12:32] RAGE [12:32] if you go to https://udu.wiki [12:32] tseng, ? [12:32] it takes you to the main page [12:32] so i cannot put in my password securely [12:32] ah.. i can login to the main page https and go back [12:32] somehow [12:33] battery critical = <20%? a bit high, or? [12:33] i'll call it the day, if somebody of you has some minutes to spare, review day is still going on in some timezones *hint* [12:34] KaiL, turn it down then :) [12:34] g'night dholbach [12:34] night dholbach [12:34] ...and gnome-power-manager seams to need a running gnome :) [12:35] ah, no - it dislikes, that hal doesn't want to start here [12:35] KaiL, nope, a notification area and a running HAL 0.5 [12:35] am I the only one with broken hal on breezy? [12:35] KaiL, might be... here they all work.... [12:35] run-parts: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/20hal exited with return code 1 [12:36] ..I hate such helpfull messages... [12:39] this time returns 2.,.. === ogra is off to bed [12:40] night all [12:40] n8 ogra [12:40] bye ogra. [12:40] night ogra [12:50] anyone here got a static 32bit mplayer binary that supports -vo x11? === StylusEater [~gnome@c-24-98-214-36.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] Hey fellow ubuntite. Anyone knows about a potential debmake VCS? === jljes is now known as jlj === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wm_eddie [~wm_eddie@wm-eddie.info] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] ddaa: debmake is frighteningly obsolete [01:02] Kamion: I gathered from the copyright notice [01:03] if it isn't in a VCS already, I doubt anyone will be motivated to rectify that :-) [01:03] that's the "is it in a VCS already" bit I'm asking about ;) [01:04] Anyway... I sort of guess that all the active development is taking place in the form of deb patches... === ddaa considers that Kamion not knowing about it is a sufficient clue that it does not exists ;) [01:07] ick, we have stuff in main which uses debmake? [01:07] mdz: debmake is in main [01:08] mdz: if you don't want it there, just say so ;) [01:08] 5 of them [01:08] it's not seeded so stuff must use it [01:08] lifeless: well, I sort of want main to build ;-) [01:08] * Reverse Build-Depends: [01:08] +- acl [01:08] +- attr [01:08] +- dmapi [01:08] +- libcompface [01:08] +- xfsdump [01:08] really ? [01:08] damn, you've thought of everything :) [01:09] I had a hard lockup playing a video :[ [01:09] complete change of topic ;0 [01:09] reproducible? [01:09] mdz: there's plenty of "questionable" stuff in main... [01:09] free drivers or binary? [01:09] mdz: too busy to try to repeoduce, free drivers [01:09] vlc-gnome [01:09] lifeless: on a laptop by any chance? [01:09] tseng: yes [01:09] lifeless: on battery? [01:09] ogra: don't forget that BreezyGoals update [01:10] mdz: like this "bonobo" package, whose difference with "libbonobo" is entirely unclear (and that nobody has clarified for me). [01:10] vlc showed a blue square, then x bounced, bounced, bounced, stopped cold [01:10] tseng: no [01:10] lifeless: nm then :) [01:10] ddaa: did you ask seb128? [01:10] i get hardlocks from laptop-mode [01:10] at some point, he did not answer... [01:10] ddaa: bonobo == libbonobo from a vcs pov [01:10] mdz, is it enough if i do it tomorrow morning ? [01:10] ddaa: established that a year ago ;) [01:11] I'm making a small stash of weird, obscure, hopelessly obsolete, or otherwise mysterious stuff I had no answer about when I first asked :) [01:11] ogra: certainly, just don't forget :-) [01:11] mdz, surely not :) [01:11] thanks [01:11] ogra: good night [01:11] like... debiandoc-sgml? [01:11] and night :) [01:12] lifeless: ack, moving bonobo to alreadydone [01:12] bonobo-ui is different though [01:13] yeah, I know [01:13] it's just a collection of random deprecated stuff :) [01:13] the discussions with jdub and bob2 about it were a bit funny to read... [01:17] ddaa: debiandoc-sgml is legacy, but it's not going away until documentation using it is converted to something else [01:17] mdz: this kind of information is interesting [01:18] documentation packages are the sort of things that never really go away [01:18] documentation support packages, I mean [01:18] but it does not help the very narrow focus that motivated my question, is there any public "upstream" vcs for it. [01:18] ddaa: if you were to create a page in the Ubuntu wiki with your list and notes, that would be interesting [01:18] because everyone has their own favourite doc format and it requires effort to which over [01:18] s/which/switch/ [01:19] mdz: we actually have an arch archive were we do that [01:19] ddaa: iwj would probably know if it ever had a vcs [01:19] elmo, ping [01:20] it's not very detailed, when it's in launchpad, we just record the name of the corresponding product and series. We only keep notes for the weird cases about which we were not able to establish existence (or lack) of a VCS and for some of unsupported (bk, arch) ones. [01:21] sadly a lot of the previous research work was not recorded anywhere :( === UbuWu [~UbuWu@h82151173197.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:23] mdz: does iwj usuall hang on this chan? [01:23] ha... === ddaa clicks in [01:23] new employee :) === lakin [~lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:37] mhhh... [01:47] hello [01:48] is crimsun around? [01:56] mjg59: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/hoary-hp-laptop/ # apt archive of the stuff you've given me [01:56] lamont: ^-- === mxpxpod [~bryan@mxpxpod.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:04] asking here since #ubuntu doesnt seem to know, how do i apt-get xmms-mplayer without apt-get installin mplayer as a dependancy? [02:04] i got mplayer already installed.. i compile it myself. [02:04] use equivs [02:04] it can generate a fake package for you [02:04] tar [02:05] hehe this is going to be fun [02:07] heh what woudld the command be to bypass the dependancy mplayer-amd64? [02:08] i see thanks [02:09] it comes with documentation [02:10] actually are you sure this util can be used for this? [02:11] yes [02:16] gaaaaaaaaaah, why is gnome-terminal uninstallable [02:17] ah, gnome-terminal-data universe->main, doing [02:19] Hmm. Interesting. Working on a package. I want to create a symlink from $(variable1)/file1 to $(variable2)/file2. [02:19] Basically within debian/tmp. [02:19] I can't fully qualify the second, because then the symlink is wrong. [02:19] wasabi_: use dh_link [02:20] daniels: are you doing l-r-m for 2.6.12? (if not, is it trivial to do?) [02:20] will dh_link operate inside debian/tmp? [02:23] newp. [02:24] its man page is pretty clear ... [02:25] I can't use .links. [02:25] you don't have to [02:25] it takes source/target paths as arguments [02:28] Kamion: do you know where cron.sync gets its seeds from? [02:28] it seems to be looking at old seeds [02:28] oh, I bet it's kubuntu [02:28] mdz: it'll be germinate's default, i.e. http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/ [02:31] Kamion: once we have edubuntu in the mix, I think we'll need to have some sort of merged germinate output in order to be able to tell what's going on [02:34] I could create aggregate seeds to avoid having to modify germinate [02:35] current daily CD build works fine with the exception of archive-copier and gnome-terminal (both fixed) [02:36] hmm, and "Error" "failed to initialize HAL!" at desktop start [02:36] grrr [02:37] I can't fix kubuntu because the seed archive is broken again [02:37] Riddell: ping [02:37] drwxr-sr-x 3 jriddell warthogs 4096 Jun 8 22:17 /home/warthogs/archives/kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds/seeds--breezy/seeds--breezy--0/patch-8/++revision-lock/ [02:37] mdz: you expect him to be still awake? ;) [02:38] KaiL: it's worth checking, because this is blocking something I need to do [02:40] lifeless: is this something which could be fixed in baz? === luis_ [~louie@c-66-31-46-131.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:40] lifeless: e.g., force consistent permissions on new directories created in the archive? [02:41] mdz: yes [02:42] mdz: we need to figure out how to set permissions via sftp. [02:42] or you can use the team-archives on the supermirror, which sets umask automatically === Clint coughs and it sounds like "ACLs" [02:43] mdz: you seen crimsun? [02:44] mdz: little bit OT, do you know, what's going on with debian-security? (you are listed as being in the team..) [02:47] lifeless: where can I find more information on team-archives? [02:47] KaiL: very OT for this channel [02:47] StylusEater: not recently [02:47] mdz: thanks...been looking for him/her === KaiL tries to create an on-topic-question of it... [02:48] how many of that 5 are now working for ubuntu? [02:49] KaiL: assuming you mean Canonical, rather than Ubuntu (nobody works for Ubuntu), one [02:50] mdz: chat with spiv - I don't know if we've rolled out that speicfic code yet [02:50] as I expected.. because some people talk rubbish about this like "they are now payed to work on ubuntu and so don't have the time to work on debian any more" [02:50] KaiL: it's exactly that, rubbish [02:50] especially if it came from rene engelhard [02:51] who's that? [02:51] someone who has been spreading similar rumours [02:51] people are upset over the PERCEIVED "brain drain" [02:52] but work for ubuntu helps debian IMHO [02:52] http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/2005/06/msg03342.html and there we have him saying more or less this :) [02:53] KaiL: why add fuel to the fire? this is a dev channel [02:53] i was gonna say that [02:54] perhaps make a #bitching channel [02:55] StylusEater: I was only collecting arguments, if there are again questions in #ubuntu-de [02:55] someone created a stir at linuxtag, I gather [02:56] das ist goot [02:56] shame [02:56] long off-topic discussions in this channel make it difficult for developers to find useful information in scrollback when they return from a period of not paying attention to IRC [02:56] :-) [02:59] goot? [03:01] mdke: this might interest you, as he's calling you directly there: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/2005/06/msg03346.html [03:01] completion error [03:01] not me guv === r0bbyr0b [~wakawaka@cpe-204-210-133-115.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] in short [to prevent Kamions mousewheel from overheating ;-)] , you are blocking packages in debian not to be updated and doing nothing there any more... [03:04] "doing nothing there anymore" is not correct [03:05] he did not say that, he talks about apt 0.6 security etc. but not about "doing nothing" === squinn [~squinn@68.205.198.0] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:07] carstenh: second line [03:08] hmm, i think this means doing noting in/for security [03:08] nothing [03:08] I am out y'all... === StylusEater [~gnome@c-24-98-214-36.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:09] KaiL: but maybe you are right and i misinterpreted that === SloMo_ [~slomo@p5487F333.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:09] I mean debian-security with "there" ;) [03:09] KaiL, check out the thread on debian-security, it has some information for you, but surely enough in this channel now? [03:11] KaiL: oh, sorry. :) [03:11] and now EOT for that - back to real problems ;)) [03:11] phew === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [~stub@203-217-37-199.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [~bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:43] i wonder if this new sun opteron workstation runs ubutnu nicely [03:44] you can get it with JDS [03:44] (on linux) === luis_ wants one with solaris for a gnome tinderbox [03:45] luis_: i want one for ubuntu/mono love [03:45] luis_: i am the auto-tinderbox [03:45] sebuild-lite === schweeb shudders about Solaris [03:46] you guys are scaring me here [03:46] OpenSolaris? [03:46] well, luis_ is :p [03:46] a dog and pony show. [03:46] schweeb: its a nice looking box [03:46] schweeb: if it runs a nice os [03:46] tseng: yea, I do admit, the opteron hardware is nice [03:46] sata disks [03:46] gige [03:47] pcie.. its loaded === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:49] schweeb: my only motivation is to get sun hacking on HEAD again, or close to it [03:49] that is a good motivation, I suppose [03:49] they can shove the CDDL up their ass for all I care [03:49] :) [03:49] http://primates.ximian.com/~fejj/blog/archives/000031.html [03:49] bah, no pitti [03:49] but they currently assume HEAD is crap [03:49] jdub: yeah dude [03:49] partially because, well, it doesn't necessarily build on solaris :) [03:49] jdub: working with snorp and CO on ipod stuff [03:50] luis_: I work w/ Solaris all day long, and I'm not a fan [03:50] jdub: those lamers are all on submoutn [03:50] schweeb: I had to work with it during the GNOME 2.0 cycle, and... well, we weren't very excited by it either ;) [03:50] fejj is angry mans [03:50] i hope in the next release they tell submount to piss off [03:50] its so bad [03:50] luis_: so i downloaded sexpressb16 for sparc to install on my u5 and 220R [03:50] luis_: I even have JDS, and am not particularly impressed... I'm removing it in favor of gnome 2.8 from blastwave [03:51] I wanna try netinstalling from fabbione's images again to my Blade 100 [03:51] luis_: if i can find a way to leave the 220R on for a useful period of time without clawing my ears off, i'll give you access [03:51] does solaris at least have a nice base of gnu tools now? [03:51] tseng: not by default [03:51] tseng: not by default [03:51] tseng: blastwave [03:51] heh [03:51] man i hate that [03:52] aix too [03:52] aix 5.1 I despise [03:52] 5.2 is a bit better [03:52] raaaaiin [03:52] schweeb: i had to use aix 4 several times [03:52] pia saw steve ballmer speak yesterday [03:52] schweeb: she came home very angry [03:52] tseng: I had an AIX box with a load of 1200 today [03:52] holy crap [03:52] and it was still climbing when I logged off [03:52] did you run vi? [03:52] schweeb: from my perspective, JDS sucking is bad for GNOME [03:52] "he was LYING about INTEROPERABILITY!" [03:52] schweeb: so I want to help make it not suck [03:53] jdub: blog it! [03:53] "he was TALKING about INTEROPERABILITY?!" [03:53] jdub: yeah, seriously, blog that, or make her do it === luis_ does not know why he doesn't read piablog yet [03:53] i think she might [03:53] put her on puc [03:53] tseng: that's 1200... on an 8way 1.2Ghz power4 box, with 32GB of RAM [03:53] she is not a member :) [03:53] I was like, holy crap [03:54] schweeb: eh. [03:54] oracle totally demolished that box [03:54] and having to live with canonical staff is not yet member-worthy :) [03:54] haha oracle [03:54] what a scam [03:54] jdub: someone at ucc offered me a crazy eight-way sun box today [03:54] but only by way of buildbot [03:54] jdub: want to hear about my dillema? === r0bby [~wakawaka@cpe-204-210-133-115.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:54] and AFAICS buildbot just Ain't Going To Cut It for gnome [03:55] hfsnw [03:55] "Norwegian Minister of Modernization" [03:55] yeah [03:55] tseng: your bad spelling? [03:55] great title [03:55] jdub: at work I have a totally random mixture of redhat/fedora/rhel boxes [03:55] jdub: <3 [03:55] jdub: another spelling nazi, I see [03:55] jdub: i told my boss they should all run the same version so we can actually maintain that crap [03:55] jdub: so his boss is like zomgbbquackrhel [03:56] its hard to sell ubuntu support when it doesnt cover the stuff we are using [03:58] php4-mysql and etheral come to mind instantly [03:59] tseng: what stuff? we can sort that out. [03:59] php4-mysql was a fuckup [03:59] ah tcl is supported [03:59] putting ethereal in main would probably make pitti annoyed [03:59] ajmitch: yes [03:59] ethereal would get mdz and pitti riled up [03:59] but it's doable [03:59] we use it internally to debug network issues [04:00] im not saying it should move [04:00] tseng: if you have specs, or things that may help you, please mail me :) [04:00] but would it be possible.. [04:00] to get support contracts based on certain "extra" packages? [04:00] within reason [04:00] yes [04:00] clever [04:01] who takes support calls? [04:01] tseng: and probably some bonuses, given that your company employs an ubuntu maintainer :) [04:01] tseng: our Support Team [04:01] (read: jbailey) [04:01] ah! [04:01] totally rad. [04:01] totally rad laptop support :) [04:02] yeah the whole support scene is so bogus [04:02] i feel dirty looking at RHEL pricing [04:11] we need a minister for modernisation [04:11] you need to pimp the support page harder :) [04:14] Slight alternitives problem. I am running update-alternatives in postinst, the alternative is being created... but hte link to the alternative isn't... [04:25] i just got a spam that started with { Spam? } === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:30] tseng: maybe your isp did add this for you ;) [04:37] carstenh: i own the mailserver, its direct to a backbone in a data center [04:37] Dumb gpg question: Why would gpg -se -r foo@bar.com test.txt fail with public key not found, when gpg --search-keys foo@bar.com succeeds? [04:37] carstenh: an isp doesnt touch my mail :) [04:37] hmm === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [~agp@AMontpellier-152-1-68-116.w83-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:06] jdub: ethereal GRRR [05:06] Finally. Eclipse 3.1 looks done. [05:07] Now with native GCJ goodnes.s [05:07] mdz: :) [05:08] daniels: will you be preparing l-r-m-2.6.12, or is someone else working on it? === stuNNed [~stuNNed@stunned.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:12] Buh. I'm doing something simple and wrong. [05:12] update-alternatives --quiet --install /usr/bin/ecj ecj /usr/bin/ecj-bootstrap 3 in my postinst. [05:12] Yet /usr/bin/ecj is not showing up. [05:14] wasabi : Does it work manually? [05:15] Well, the alternatives look installed... the link isn't created though. [05:15] I didn't think I was supposed to create it on my own, am I? === wasabi read [05:15] No. [05:17] What happens if you remove the installed alternative, then add it? [05:17] Heh. Just removing it created it. [05:18] Do you have another ecj alternative? === womble [~mpalmer@eth1859.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:18] Or just the one? [05:18] Yup === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:27] tseng: thanks for taking care of those mono bugs in bugzilla === luis_ is now known as lu|sleep === ups [~ups@203.200.160.53] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:51] Any cdbs wizards available? Trying to figure out how to make a make target in rules that is applied once per package, after install. [05:57]