[12:01] <ivoks> np
[12:01] <ivoks> my bad, should've check man :)
[12:01] <dholbach> GazerWork: excellent, i'll have another look
[12:02] <ivoks> uh... i'll check this tomorrow :)
[12:03] <siretart> woah, sudden load of 18 on my vserver
[12:03] <siretart> but doesn't seem to be caused by me or revu..
[12:03] <siretart> what a shok
[12:03] <dholbach> i felt the disturbance in the force ;)
[12:04] <dholbach> somebody at least liked 2 of my packages
[12:04] <dholbach> i'm so happy!!!
[12:04] <uniq> siretart: nice system. great improvement from the wiki.
[12:04] <siretart> :)
[12:05] <sistpoty> phew... writing README-files is exhausting
[12:06] <lsuactiafner> sistpoty : yeh it is
[12:07] <ivoks> siretart: problem in revu?
[12:07] <ivoks> E: wifi-radar_1.9.4-0ubuntu2_i386.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file breezy
[12:07] <dholbach> ha, old lintian
[12:07] <ivoks> it aborts checking of source
[12:07] <siretart> yeah, tauware.de is running debian stable atm
[12:07] <siretart> (no I cannot change that now ;)
[12:08] <ivoks> :)
[12:08] <ivoks> ok, i have hoary on my servers
[12:08] <siretart> can I install lintian/linda from breezy without hazzles?
[12:09] <dholbach> they are scripts
[12:09] <ivoks> siretart: you could create whole chroot for service :)
[12:09] <dholbach> python/perl
[12:09] <siretart> hm. ic
[12:10] <dholbach> GazerWork: finally :)
[12:10] <siretart> well, revu on tauware is just for development anyway.
[12:10] <siretart> ok, but now I really need to get to bed
[12:10] <GazerWork> dholbach, I did it :D
[12:11] <dholbach> good night siretart and thanks for the work
[12:11] <siretart> gn8 folks! see you tomorrow
[12:11] <uniq> gnite.
[12:11] <dholbach> siretart: you're going to be a MOTU too soon? ;)
[12:11] <ivoks> siretart: yeah, good job!!
[12:11] <sistpoty> gn8 siretart
[12:11] <siretart> if something really breakes, sistpoty has shell access and should be able to fix things ;)
[12:11] <dholbach> sistpoty: you're going to be a MOTU too soon? ;)
[12:11] <siretart> hehe
[12:12] <sistpoty> omg
[12:12] <siretart> n8 sistpoty, thanks ivoks, bye dholbach :)
[12:12] <dholbach> bye :)
[12:12] <sistpoty> dholbach: hm... i would like to, but for the next two month i should concentrate on my study (got two "diplom"-exams)
[12:13] <dholbach> sistpoty: ha... :)
[12:13] <dholbach> ich bin an der diplomarbeit und hab meine letzte klausur in zwei wochen ;)
[12:13] <dholbach> but we needed the review day desperately, so i took half a day off :)
[12:14] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:14] <ivoks> damn gksu
[12:14] <ivoks> i'm off to bed
[12:15] <sistpoty> gn8 ivoks
[12:15] <dholbach> bye ivoks
[12:15] <ivoks> sorry, didn't do much today as I hoped... but I'll do in days to come
[12:15] <ivoks> n8!
[12:15] <uniq> nite.
[12:18] <uniq> maybe the listing order should be reversed.. so motus can start at the top and finish the first packages first.
[12:20] <\sh> mmm..
[12:20] <\sh> dput.cf how can i give a password to the login for method ftp?
[12:23] <\sh> sistpoty: ping
[12:23] <\sh> guys, anybody against public ssh key method?
[12:23] <\sh> for uploading for revu?
[12:24] <sistpoty> pong... sorry was just smoking a cigarette
[12:24] <\sh> sistpoty: some points against public ssh key uploading?
[12:24] <\sh> no ftp method
[12:25] <\sh> (or someone gives me a working config for vsftpd with named and anonymous uploads) ;)
[12:25] <dholbach> \sh: why?
[12:25] <\sh> dholbach: because I'm a vsftpd noob ;)
[12:26] <\sh> named accounts I can handle, but dput not
[12:26] <dholbach> those files are signed, that's why we don't need ssh or whatever :)
[12:26] <sistpoty> \sh: not really... will this work with dput? (have no experience with dput :()
[12:27] <\sh> and i have no experience with vsftpd :( cause anonymous download works, but upload not
[12:28] <dholbach> sistpoty: it does an anonymous ftp upload, runs some checks before, nothing serious :)
[12:28] <ajmitch> hi all
[12:28] <ajmitch> have I missed anything? :)
[12:28] <tseng> ajmitch: yes, you are the new MOTMOTU
[12:28] <dholbach> REVIEW DAY GOING ON! :)
[12:28] <tseng> ajmitch: congratulations
[12:28] <tseng> *hide*
[12:28] <ajmitch> hah
[12:29] <dholbach> i seem to have missed something as well ;)
[12:29] <dholbach> REVU rocks so hard
[12:29] <ajmitch> there hasn't been a TB/CC meeting, so I know it couldn't happen :)
[12:29] <tseng> yep
[12:29] <ajmitch> and won't
[12:30] <sistpoty> dholbach and \sh then anonymous ftp should be the choice, if dput doesn't support public ssh key uploading (at least i think, that siretart had this in mind)
[12:30] <ajmitch> oh, for access to revu source, so I could fix the glaring speeling misteaks
[12:31] <ajmitch> sistpoty: dput works fine with scp
[12:31] <sistpoty> ok... no objections any more :)
[12:31] <ajmitch> mentors.debian.net uses that method :)
[12:32] <dholbach> oh shoot, i forgot - have to get up early tomorrow
[12:32] <dholbach> i think i'll call it the day
[12:32] <ajmitch> http://mentors.debian.net/cheese.php
[12:32] <ajmitch> hah
[12:32] <\sh> frmp
[12:33] <sistpoty> ajmitch: i can try to give you access to the subversion-repo... just send me a mail what password you wish (daemon@poleboy.de)
[12:33] <\sh> 500 OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable anonymous root
[12:34] <ajmitch> "using thes service" -> "using this service" kthx
[12:35] <\sh> ok...when I remove the write permission to the home dir of the ftp user then I can login via anonymous
[12:35] <dholbach> good night
[12:35] <\sh> but then I can't write
[12:35] <sistpoty> good nite, dholbach
[12:35] <ajmitch> night dholbach
[12:35] <sistpoty> hm... sorry, haven't tried vsftpd either
[12:35] <ajmitch> what do the letters in the advocating column mean?
[12:36] <ajmitch> true/false?
[12:36] <sistpoty> yep
[12:36] <sistpoty> spelling mistake fixed :)
[12:36] <tseng> whiprush: hi
[12:36] <ajmitch> perhaps that should be a bit clearer :)
[12:37] <sistpoty> kk :)
[12:41] <tseng> dinner time, bbl
[12:42] <Unfrgiven> hi all
[12:42] <tseng> hi Unfrgiven
[12:43] <Unfrgiven> how are you?
[12:43] <tseng> good thanks
[12:44] <tseng> you?
[12:45] <ajmitch> hey Unfrgiven
[12:45] <tseng> dinner suggestions?
[12:46] <ajmitch> steak & chips
[12:46] <tseng> hm
[12:47] <tseng> its hard to go out for that here by yourself
[12:47] <tseng> you look stupid
[12:47] <ajmitch> I've been wanting to have that for dinner for awhile
[12:47] <tseng> yep its a good one
[12:47] <tseng> i especially like cheese fries with bacon
[12:47] <tseng> chips are fries here
[12:48] <tseng> and crisps are chips :)
[12:48] <ajmitch> that's because your language is funny
[12:49] <tseng> arent crisps from the US?
[12:51] <tseng> wikipedia says "It is believed that the original potato chip recipe was created by Native American chef George Crum, at the Moon Lake Lodge in Saratoga Springs, New York on August 24, 1853"
[12:51] <Unfrgiven> tseng: im good
[12:51] <Unfrgiven> been fairly busy lately so havent been on irc much
[12:51] <tseng> and they were called Chips :D
[12:51] <tseng> ajmitch: it is you who are silly.
[12:51] <tseng> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato_chips
[12:51] <whiprush> hey tseng, Unfrgiven, ajmitch, *.*
[12:51] <tseng> whiprush yo yo
[12:51] <tseng> whiprush: muine should be in
[12:51] <Unfrgiven> and also the fact that i managed to get addicted to both Grand Theft Auto San Andreas & Battlefield 2 did not help :)
[12:52] <Unfrgiven> whiprush: howdy dude
[12:52] <whiprush> yeah I saw, haven't gotten to it yet though
[12:52] <whiprush> hey Unfrgiven
[12:52] <whiprush> how are things?
[12:52] <Unfrgiven> tseng: i had a question regarding the intro developer docs. should creating/configuring chroots and pbuilder be in the document?
[12:52] <ajmitch> tseng: as you can see, we make it simple & call everything chips
[12:52] <tseng> Unfrgiven: definately
[12:52] <Unfrgiven> tseng: i have started adding those bits it but it is blowing out the size
[12:52] <tseng> Unfrgiven: but its mostly written on the wiki, just formatting
[12:53] <tseng> hm well its important
[12:53] <ajmitch> where on the wiki is it?
[12:53] <Unfrgiven> tseng: its no longer the *really short* document we intended it to be
[12:53] <tseng> hm
[12:53] <ajmitch> it can't be too short if you want people to get some value from it
[12:53] <tseng> how long is it :)
[12:53] <Unfrgiven> tseng: i agree its important. but then we need to accept that the document is likely to be > 20 pages
[12:53] <\sh> Wrong Password
[12:53] <\sh> every single time..with a bloody ftp client i can upload
[12:53] <tseng> 20 pages for pbuilder?
[12:54] <Unfrgiven> tseng: 20 pages total...
[12:54] <Unfrgiven> tseng: not just pbuilder :P
[12:54] <tseng> when we say short, we mean significantly shorter than Debian New Maint
[12:54] <\sh> anyways..tomorrow i will find a solution
[12:54] <\sh> night all
[12:54] <tseng> Unfrgiven: what all is in it at this point?
[12:54] <Unfrgiven> \sh_away: nite dude
[12:54] <tseng> Unfrgiven: i dont think ive seen anything since UDU
[12:54] <tseng> to have a reference
[12:54] <ajmitch> are you wanting it for modifying packages, or creating new packages?
[12:55] <Unfrgiven> tseng: yeah i havent made it public yet.
[12:55] <ajmitch> since debian NM guide is very much tailored for new
[12:55] <tseng> as specced it was "unpack and examine an existing package, than roll your own"
[12:55] <ajmitch> right
[12:55] <tseng> Unfrgiven pretty much has creative lisence at this point, imo
[12:56] <tseng> its his project to complete as it makes sense
[12:56] <ajmitch> ok
[12:56] <tseng> :)
[12:56] <Unfrgiven> tseng: so far we have an intro/rationale, packages required (and what each one is for taken mostly out of the DNMG), chroot, pbuilder, creating new packages, updating existing new pacakges, a tips & tricks type section which is akin to a quick reference
[12:56] <tseng> Unfrgiven: rock
[12:57] <tseng> Unfrgiven: yeah i really feel pbuilder is essential to the MOTU experience
[12:57] <Unfrgiven> the quick reference is things like a checklist of steps required to package something... so someone who knows what each step is but cant remember the list of steps can read it as they pacakge till they memorise
[12:57] <tseng> it forces good habits
[12:57] <tseng> yep thats a good one
[12:57] <Unfrgiven> tseng: agreed. i just wanted to set length expectations :)
[12:58] <tseng> tbh the length is less important than the language and conent maybe?
[12:58] <tseng> in terms of not scaring people off
[12:58] <tseng> i was pretty daunted by NM
[12:58] <Unfrgiven> tseng: yeah same here. but we said we wanted a short document as well to not scare off people
[12:59] <ajmitch> NM is ok if you get the right application manager
[12:59] <tseng> ajmitch: i mean, the guide
[12:59] <Unfrgiven> some alternatives i thought of was to perhaps put the chroot and pbuilder stuff as an appendix
[12:59] <sistpoty> g'nite together
[12:59] <tseng> Unfrgiven: you could, but its 100% required for motus to use it
[12:59] <Unfrgiven> so as to keep the focus on packaging rather than setting up the development environment
[01:00] <tseng> you could, but i think its bad to give them the option to do it sloppily the very first time
[01:00] <Unfrgiven> tseng: i know. and the packaging instructions are going to basically say that pbuilder is used to build a binary from a source package. i dont intend on even mentioning that there are other ways to do it
[01:00] <tseng> im willing to compromise on # of pages for covering the real world requirements
[01:00] <ajmitch> reminds me that I should try & update my pbuilder base
[01:01] <Unfrgiven> one of the things ive noticed with debian packaging is that there are many ways to do it.
[01:01] <Unfrgiven> which can be daunting
[01:01] <tseng> thats very true
[01:01] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: of course
[01:01] <Unfrgiven> the document is sposed to show the *right* way to do it
[01:01] <ajmitch> do you really expect debian developers to agree on something?
[01:01] <tseng> its not really right
[01:01] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: of course not :)
[01:02] <tseng> but there is a pretty consistany *MOTU* way of doing things
[01:02] <ajmitch> sure
[01:02] <ajmitch> but cdbs+dpatch isn't always the best way to package something, for example
[01:02] <Unfrgiven> tseng: yeah and the document should reflect that
[01:02] <tseng> ajmitch: thats why there is cdbs-edit-patch
[01:02] <tseng> *hide*
[01:03] <Unfrgiven> tseng: does that even work fullly yet?
[01:03] <tseng> Unfrgiven: sure does.
[01:03] <tseng> i use it pretty reguarly
[01:03] <tseng> but dpatch should be the one documented
[01:03] <tseng> its more common
[01:03] <Unfrgiven> ok.
[01:04] <Unfrgiven> does the cdbs-edit-patch offer any distinct advantages over dpatch?
[01:04] <tseng> yes, its a completely normal patch
[01:04] <tseng> i can send it to other maintainers or upstream
[01:04] <ajmitch> which failed with my package
[01:04] <tseng> ajmitch: hm now that you mention it, what was i having trouble wiht..
[01:05] <Unfrgiven> tseng: ah right. and do you still need to modify debian/rules to have the patches applied like dpatch or is it taken care of?
[01:05] <ajmitch> my patch needed -p3
[01:05] <tseng> patching inotify into muine it wanted to make another muine subdir
[01:05] <ajmitch> simple-patchsys only tries up to -p2
[01:05] <tseng> Unfrgiven: there is simple-patchsys.mk in cdbs
[01:05] <tseng> Unfrgiven: that handles normal patches
[01:05] <ajmitch> it was -p3 because of tarball.mk, though
[01:06] <Unfrgiven> interesting. is there any real docos on cdbs-edit-patch? like if i need a 00list file, etc...
[01:06] <tseng> you do not
[01:06] <tseng> only put the patches in debian/patches
[01:06] <tseng> and add simple-patchsys.mk
[01:06] <Unfrgiven> too easy!
[01:06] <ajmitch> it's very easy to use
[01:06] <Unfrgiven> :)
[01:06] <tseng> it magically works, for better or worse
[01:06] <ajmitch> not quite foolproof, of course
[01:06] <tseng> cdbs can actually be terribly confusing at some points
[01:07] <tseng> because there is so much abstracted
[01:07] <Unfrgiven> where does it not work right?
[01:07] <ajmitch> blame jbailey :)
[01:07] <tseng> Unfrgiven: -p3, apperantly
[01:07] <ajmitch> that's just one example
[01:07] <tseng> lets stick to dpatch
[01:07] <tseng> if no one minds
[01:07] <tseng> in terms of the guide / new maintainers
[01:08] <Unfrgiven> yep sure thing
[01:08] <whiprush> tseng: this inotify thing is pretty sex.
[01:08] <jbailey> Blame me all you want, just make sure you ask ajmitch for help first ;)
[01:09] <tseng> whiprush: damn right
[01:09] <ajmitch> haha
[01:09] <ajmitch> jbailey: who's working on cdbs2 at the moment?
[01:09] <jbailey> ajmitch: dilinger and I both.
[01:09] <whiprush> tseng: just some of the other plugins and it'll rule.
[01:09] <tseng> i did them
[01:10] <Unfrgiven> jbailey: and hows the progress? :)
[01:10] <tseng> im just not sharing
[01:10] <whiprush> woo
[01:10] <jbailey> Unfrgiven: It works.  Needs documentation and a test suite and we roll it out.
[01:10] <tseng> whiprush: ruffle is crashing for me something fierce with mono 1.1.8
[01:11] <ajmitch> jbailey: great, somewhere that I can play with it? :)
[01:11] <Unfrgiven> jbailey: OMG! you're going to write documentation? already sounds better than cdbs1 ;)
[01:11] <jbailey> ajmitch: build-common module on alioth.
[01:11] <jbailey> Unfrgiven: It already has more docs than cdbs1
[01:12] <jbailey> ajmitch: err, svn.debian.org
[01:12] <Unfrgiven> jbailey: thats great, cant wait to play around with it.
[01:12] <ajmitch> jbailey: right, google found it :)
[01:14] <whiprush> tseng: ah, ok, so it's just not me.
[01:14] <tseng> whiprush: you have it too?
[01:14] <whiprush> yeah
[01:14] <tseng> whiprush: test this
[01:14] <tseng> its on playlist refill right?
[01:14] <whiprush> even if I build it from source
[01:14] <whiprush> yeah
[01:14] <tseng> on certain songs
[01:15] <whiprush> as soon as it empties and is supposed to fill, boom.
[01:15] <tseng> ok turn off same artist/genre/audioscrobbler
[01:15] <tseng> and try a fill again
[01:15] <whiprush> ok
[01:15] <whiprush> sec
[01:15] <jbailey> Unfrgiven: It won't make UVF On July 7th, so look for it in Breezy+1 or probably early August in Debian.
[01:15] <tseng> breezy+1
[01:15] <tseng> mmmm, crack
[01:16] <ajmitch> jbailey: how about universe for breezy?
[01:16] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: great idea!
[01:16] <ajmitch> if we're allowed, of course
[01:16] <tseng> the "we are supposed to be toking on the big launchpad bong" release
[01:16] <Unfrgiven> tseng: when is launchpad releasing?
[01:16] <ajmitch> when it's done :)
[01:17] <tseng> Unfrgiven: we are supposed to build breezy+1 with it afaik
[01:17] <jbailey> ajmitch: I guess could do it as a separate package for breezy.
[01:17] <Unfrgiven> oh right... i thought it was in the breezy timeframe
[01:17] <tseng> malone will be released in a few weeks
[01:17] <tseng> which is scary, more of you need to be doing user testing
[01:18] <Unfrgiven> its working now? last i checked (several weeks back) it kept having "internal errors"
[01:18] <tseng> its still pretty crackful stuff
[01:18] <tseng> Unfrgiven: there are a few
[01:18] <ajmitch> jbailey: I'm guessing that the various cdbs rules would need to be migrated, eg gnome, python?
[01:18] <jbailey> Yes, the syntax makes no attempt to be compatible.
[01:18] <jbailey> speciically and PACKAGE/FOO: rules have to be completely rethought.
[01:19] <ajmitch> ok
[01:19] <ajmitch> I'll try & rework the gnue packages when it's near ready then :)
[01:20] <jbailey> I haven't done the python stuff yet for cdbs2.
[01:21] <jbailey> If you feel like diving in, I'd love it.
[01:21] <jbailey> BEcause I know you have *so much* spare time. =)
[01:21] <ajmitch> oh of course I do :)
[01:21] <ajmitch> I'm not studying now ;)
[01:21] <jbailey> We're not promising that the first release has every feature of the original.  The only features that get into the new version will have testsuites and some sanity to them.
[01:22] <ajmitch> you know how much I love distutils
[03:27] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[03:27] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:32] <bddebian> ajmitch: What are you up to man?
[03:32] <ajmitch> work
[03:32] <bddebian> Oh yeah :-(
[03:33] <ajmitch> you know, the thing that pays the bills :)
[03:34] <bddebian> Oh believe me, I know. :-)
[03:34] <ajmitch> how's your job going?
[03:34] <bddebian> OK, but lots of hours. You?
[03:35] <ajmitch> ok, but not fulltime work
[03:35] <ajmitch> so I don't have as many hours
[03:36] <bddebian> Ah
[03:36] <bddebian> What does status patch in UniversCxxTransition mean?  Does that mean a patch has already been done?
[03:39] <ajmitch> that there's a patch in debian BTS for it
[03:39] <ajmitch> UniverseCxxTransition doesn't really record what we've done, afaik
[03:41] <bddebian> Damn, I just don't know what to try to help with. :'-(
[03:41] <ajmitch> ah, that is a problem
[03:42] <ajmitch> there's still abit of c++ stuff to do
[03:42] <ajmitch> most likely to be apps that FTFBS
[03:42] <bddebian> ??
[03:48] <ajmitch> fail to build from source
[03:48] <ajmitch> ie, they crash & burn during compile
[03:48] <tseng> whiprush: are you running mono1.1.6
[03:50] <bddebian> ajmitch: I know what FTBFS is, I was asking what was a problem, and what C++ stuff :-)
[03:55] <ajmitch> whatever happens to FTBFS that can be tracked to c++ ;)
[03:56] <bddebian> ack, you're killing me dude
[03:56] <bddebian> :-)
[03:56] <ajmitch> heh
[04:01] <bddebian> ajmitch: Is c++ stuff on a different list?
[04:01] <ajmitch> there is CxxLibraryList for the libs, and CxxApplicationList I think
[04:01] <ajmitch> but that would be an overall list of c++ packages\
[04:01] <ajmitch> not just apps that have issues
[04:02] <bddebian> Oh
[04:02] <ajmitch> since it would be a little hard to tell just what has issues
[04:03] <ajmitch> many have been re-uploaded to get them to build against a new c++ abi
[04:03] <ajmitch> but we have to check build logs for failures
[04:07] <bddebian> Is: AC_CHECK_LIB(resolv, __res_search, foo, bar), valid?  This link says to use AC_TRY_LINK_FUNC() but that bombs.
[04:07] <ajmitch> I have no idea :)
[04:07] <bddebian> I was asking in general, but thanks for responding :-)
[04:10] <bddebian> Sometimes I hate autoconf
[04:14] <ajmitch> I don't seem to stay logged into revu for very long
[04:39] <GazerWork> hi guys, a simple cuestion, executable files for a game package must be installed en /usr/games ?
[04:47] <jamessan> GazerWork: http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-customized-programs.html#s11.11
[04:51] <GazerWork> jamessan, oh, I see, thx :) ... and what about game tools?, like level editors ?
[04:53] <jamessan> those would just be a normal program, so I'd say /usr/bin
[04:59] <GazerWork> jamessan, oks, thx
[06:36] <skvidal> 'lo all
[06:38] <ajmitch> hi
[06:39] <bddebian> Hello skvidal
[06:39] <skvidal> was looking for \sh or siretart or sistpoty about REVU code but it doesn't seem like they're around
[06:40] <Amaranth> um, shit
[06:41] <Amaranth> "the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled unaniumously against Grokster today"
[06:41] <Amaranth> i think this means i can get in trouble for pymusique :/
[06:41] <skvidal> Amaranth: the ruling isn't as bad as it seems, really.
[06:41] <Amaranth> oh
[06:41] <skvidal> Amaranth: but people actively encouraging copyright infringement in the work are going to have trouble.
[06:41] <Amaranth> i see, promotion
[06:42] <skvidal> promotion is where it becomes sticky, right. You should expect a whole new batch of lawsuits, though.
[06:42] <skvidal> the real question is whether or not apple will get one
[06:42] <skvidal> their rip. mix. burn. campaign sure sounded like active promotion of copyright infringement
[06:43] <Amaranth> yeah
[06:43] <Amaranth> oh, that reminds me
[06:43] <Amaranth> when the iPod came out in AUS the only way to put music on it was to rip CDs which afaik is illegal there
[06:44] <skvidal> ripping cds isn't illegal
[06:44] <skvidal> you're not circumventing copy protection when ripping cds
[06:44] <Lathiat> It is in australia
[06:44] <Lathiat> and still is
[06:44] <skvidal> oh
[06:44] <skvidal> sorry
[06:44] <skvidal> you said AUS
[06:44] <Lathiat> hasnothign to do with copy protection circumvention
[06:44] <skvidal> I read that as US
[06:44] <Amaranth> yeah
[06:44] <Lathiat> or well, it could
[06:45] <Lathiat> i just ripped a cd lastnight
[06:45] <Amaranth> so apple was promoting copyright infringement there
[06:45] <Lathiat> i've broken the lawn ow
[06:45] <Lathiat> even though i paid $25 for the cd
[06:45] <skvidal> Lathiat: I broke the lawn once too
[06:45] <Amaranth> still are, unless they opened their store there
[06:45] <Lathiat> you think thats bad
[06:45] <Lathiat> thcheck this out
[06:45] <Lathiat> http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/0,2000061791,39199258,00.htm
[06:45] <Amaranth> today was a big news day
[06:46] <Lathiat> my life as a sysadmin just got scarier
[06:46] <Amaranth> oh, those two sysadmins?
[06:46] <Lathiat> yep
[06:46] <Lathiat> there from an ISP in my city
[06:46] <Amaranth> you're slower than slashdot
[06:46] <Amaranth> that's sad :D
[06:46] <skvidal> Lathiat: we run a bittorent server here, too, but the content is pretty much safe :)
[06:46] <Lathiat> skvidal: thats not the problem
[06:46] <Lathiat> the problem is
[06:47] <Lathiat> i admin a box with1 500 users
[06:47] <Lathiat> (www.bur.st)
[06:47] <Lathiat> which provides free accounts
[06:47] <Lathiat> every so often people do dodgy shit
[06:47] <Lathiat> all of a sudden, now, i could be accountable for their actions
[06:47] <skvidal> Lathiat: yeah - free accounts suck
[06:47] <skvidal> sorry
[06:47] <skvidal> that makes it hard to keep up with them
[06:47] <Lathiat> skvidal: even if they werent free
[06:47] <Lathiat> you get the same on commercial hosting
[06:47] <Lathiat> we generally dont have tooo  much of a problem
[06:47] <Lathiat> we screen accounts with a good application process
[06:47] <Lathiat> mostdodgy people dont even get an account
[06:47] <Lathiat> but shit happens
[06:48] <Lathiat> they cant do much if they dont donate money
[06:48] <skvidal> Lathiat: in us law there are a number of safe harbors for service providers
[06:48] <skvidal> often referred to as common carrier rules
[06:48] <Lathiat> right
[06:48] <Lathiat> and i thought that held here too
[06:48] <Lathiat> but these fuckers have just set precedent
[06:48] <Lathiat> it better get thrown out
[06:48] <Lathiat> or something
[06:48] <skvidal> I'd be curious if it holds and if it doesn't damage the industry in the process
[06:49] <Lathiat> at least with us
[06:49] <Lathiat> wedealwith things at the first sign of dodgyness
[06:49] <Lathiat> we've hada coupleletters, we dealt with the people responsible
[06:49] <Lathiat> or well,icouldnt find one
[06:49] <Lathiat> so i guess we could at least hold that we take care to deal with these problems
[06:49] <Lathiat> the other stupid rulingis about things that can be used for illegal purposes
[06:50] <Lathiat> no matter the lawful uses
[06:50] <Lathiat> sure it wasworded 'with the prime intent of promoting sharing copyrighted files' (well, somethign like that)
[06:50] <Lathiat> but it still screws well
[06:50] <skvidal> which is one thing I appreciated about the grokster ruling today
[06:50] <Lathiat> yeh thats exactly whatiwastalking about
[06:50] <skvidal> it more or less pinned most-everything on intent and actions to promote the intent
[06:50] <Lathiat> im glad it said that
[06:50] <Lathiat> but still
[06:50] <Lathiat> it leaves room
[06:50] <Lathiat> to argue etc
[06:51] <skvidal> certainly but it's better than a blanket (all p2p is bad)
[06:51] <skvidal> b/c then things like torrent.gnome.org wouldn't be possible
[06:51] <Lathiat> 'the world is fucked, sigh'
[06:55] <whiprush> ogra: around?
[06:58] <Amaranth> common carrier laws don't apply for servers in the US either
[06:58] <Amaranth> well, they sort of do
[06:58] <Amaranth> you'll get one notice to do something about the account, then they come after you
[06:59] <Lathiat> sounds like those notices were only emails too
[06:59] <Lathiat> which is totally bogus
[06:59] <Amaranth> yeah, that sounds rights
[06:59] <Amaranth> err, right
[06:59] <Lathiat> theyre hardly legally binding, no confirmation of reception
[06:59] <Lathiat> etc
[06:59] <Lathiat> it should be registered mail
[06:59] <Lathiat> before they can get all legal about it
[08:10] <doko> ajmitch: ping
[08:10] <ajmitch> pong
[08:11] <doko> I'm missing a bug report for rapidsvn ;-)
[08:12] <ajmitch> ah, sorry :)
[08:13] <doko> not needed anymore this time, I did see it yesterday.
[08:14] <ajmitch> I noticed zope (2.6) is in need of merging, what are your plans for it?
[08:15] <ajmitch> actually it's been like that since may :)
[08:15] <doko> we should drop it. we'll talk about zope at debconf5
[08:15] <ajmitch> alright
[08:15] <ajmitch> when is debconf5?
[08:35] <robitaille> ajmitch:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar
[08:36] <robitaille> July 10th to 17th
[09:02] <doko> ajmitch: libsigcx is missing the patch in bugzilla. why?
[09:03] <doko> ogra, ajmitch: see 10975
[10:17] <\sh> moins
[10:36] <siretart> moin
[10:36] <siretart> do we have some wiki page explaining basics with gnupg and whats about the 'strong set'?
[10:41] <ivoks> howdy!
[11:35] <Unfrgiven> hey all
[11:35] <Unfrgiven> \sh: hey dude
[11:35] <\sh> hey Unfrgiven
[11:35] <Unfrgiven> \sh: need some help with ACE and gmetadom
[11:35] <Unfrgiven> \sh: neither build on gcc 3.4/4.0
[11:36] <Unfrgiven> \sh: i cant seem to find patches on the redhat bugzilla
[11:36] <\sh> Unfrgiven: ok..i will check it out this evening :) if you r ok with it
[11:36] <Unfrgiven> \sh: is there anyway to setup a gentoo chroot?
[11:36] <Unfrgiven> \sh: i suspect gentoo would have patches
[11:36] <\sh> Unfrgiven: i can check it
[11:36] <\sh> or you can download the portage tree
[11:37] <Unfrgiven> \sh: are you sure thats ok? i dont want to unneccesarily overload you with work i committed to
[11:37] <\sh> Unfrgiven: no its ok...I have the things on my todo :)
[11:37] <Unfrgiven> \sh: thanks very much :) i'll send you my debdiffs so at least you wont have to repeat the steps ive already taken. k?
[11:38] <\sh> Unfrgiven: yeah...great :) sh@sourcecode.de :)
[11:39] <Unfrgiven> \sh: oh and if/when you resolve it be sure to tell me how you fixed it... so that i may learn :)
[11:39] <\sh> Unfrgiven: sure :)
[11:40] <\sh> Unfrgiven: right now, I'm working with siretart on his rocking review tool :)
[11:40] <Unfrgiven> \sh: kewl :) ive been a bit busy with life lately so i wasnt able to participate in the review day :(
[11:57] <Unfrgiven> \sh: you wouldn't believe it! i got gmetadom to build.... finally!!!
[11:59] <Unfrgiven> \sh: maybe ill have similar luck with ACE!
[12:15] <Unfrgiven> \sh: gmetadom debdiff is uploaded... you should now be able to do gtkmathview
[12:52] <ivoks> hi
[01:00] <ogra> \sh, ?
[01:01] <ogra> \sh, could you fix this as soon as possible please: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44904
[01:01] <ogra> *g*
[01:03] <Treenaks> ogra: why not ask tseng ?
[01:04] <ogra> Treenaks, hmm, good idea :)
[01:06] <ajmitch> hi ogra, *
[01:06] <ogra> hey ajmitch
[01:24] <ogra> ajmitch, ok if i upload your libwpd changes ? i applied your patch
[01:25] <ogra> (somehow mdz assigned the bug to me)
[01:30] <\sh> hmmm
[01:30] <\sh> nice idea
[01:31] <\sh> Unfrgiven: thx :)
[01:41] <tseng> Treenaks: ogra_ ?
[01:41] <ogra_> tseng, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44904
[01:41] <tseng> erm..
[01:42] <ogra_> tseng, i think we should make a metapackage called portage that installs the gentoo filemanager *g*
[01:42] <ogra_> so we always have something to point people to ... and it might be funny :)
[01:42] <tseng> no thanks
[01:43] <ogra_> (see: apt-cache show gentoo)
[01:43] <tseng> yeah I know it
[01:51] <schweeb> ogra: it's quite unfortunate that that had to be the focus of the Debian NMG
[01:51] <tseng> hm
[01:51] <ogra> schweeb, the NMG is older then gentoo :)
[01:51] <tseng> schweeb: it was written before gentoo as a distribution was known
[01:51] <schweeb> I understand
[01:51] <schweeb> just saying
[01:51] <schweeb> it's unfortunate
[01:52] <tseng> no need to be a hater really
[01:55] <ajmitch> ogra: doesn't worry me who uploads changes :)
[01:55] <ogra> ajmitch, yes, but i like to notify at least :)
[01:56] <ajmitch> I more or less forgot about it once the bug was filed :)
[01:56] <tseng> schweeb: so.. gmime is my second to last package
[01:56] <tseng> schweeb: beagle being the top of the mountain
[02:00] <schweeb> ?
[02:00] <tseng> FIX YOUR S*IT
[02:01] <schweeb> gmime?
[02:01] <tseng> yes?
[02:01] <schweeb> I did gsf-sharp
[02:01] <tseng> werent you asking me about gmime the other day
[02:01] <schweeb> gsf = g structured file, afaik
[02:01] <schweeb> no
[02:01] <tseng> eh
[02:01] <tseng> ok
[02:01] <schweeb> gsf
[02:01] <tseng> well then we need that too
[02:02] <schweeb> silly mr hale
[02:02] <tseng> ill take beagle deps starting with G and ending in -sharp for $500 please
[02:02] <schweeb> lol
[02:02] <ogra> heh
[02:02] <schweeb> well, I'll be busy most of this week
[02:02] <tseng> theres only a dozen or so
[02:02] <schweeb> had a datacenter fail yesterday
[02:03] <tseng> gecko, gtk, glib, gnome, gsf, gmime
[02:03] <tseng> etc
[02:03] <tseng> my poor brain
[02:03] <schweeb> datacenter failure is pure pain
[02:03] <tseng> schweeb: good think you have lots of tape
[02:04] <schweeb> I should still be sleeping ffs
[02:04] <tseng> :(
[02:04] <tseng> schweeb: we are so meeting in boston
[02:04] <schweeb> tseng: when is that?
[02:04] <tseng> october I think
[02:05] <schweeb> hopefully I get the time off work/school/*
[02:05] <schweeb> which con is that?  a GNOME one?
[02:05] <tseng> yes
[02:05] <schweeb> it'll be entertaining watching jorge at a gnome con
[02:05] <tseng> schweeb: you mean humping everyones leg?
[02:06] <schweeb> it'll be like a little kid in a candy store... but only if the little kid is hyped up on crack and caffeine
[02:06] <tseng> yep
[02:07] <schweeb> the only good thing about this datacenter failure, is I get to sit back and yell at other groups until my shit gets fixed
[02:07] <tseng> oh man thats the best
[02:07] <schweeb> (which, we still have a bunch of HBA cards still down - NOT GOOD)
[02:08] <tseng> Oh
[02:08] <tseng> i need to totally pimp my boss on ubuntu support contracts today
[02:09] <tseng> do we have any meetings today?
[02:10] <tseng> TB
[02:10] <tseng> ah, Unfrgiven is on the list today
[02:14] <\sh> so...revu laeuft
[02:14] <\sh> oh sorry,
[02:14] <\sh> revu is running :)
[02:14] <ogra> hehe
[02:14] <\sh> now we have to backbort lintian and linda from breezy to hoary
[02:14] <ogra> huh ?
[02:14] <tseng> :(
[02:14] <\sh> so all the tests are not mixed up
[02:15] <ogra> what for ?
[02:15] <\sh> E: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts_0.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file breezy
[02:15] <\sh> N:
[02:15] <ajmitch> so it doesn't complain about the distribution
[02:15] <ogra> ah, the server runs hoary, now i get it
[02:16] <ogra> but this only is a one line patch i guess
[02:16] <\sh> ogra: i wouldn't run breezy on the server right now ;)
[02:16] <tseng> eh rebuilding the packages would be just as easy
[02:16] <ogra> heh
[02:16] <tseng> as digging out the patch
[02:16] <tseng> and rebuilding the package :)
[02:17] <tseng> debian has a newer lintian than us i think
[02:17] <\sh> i will rebuild the package...I mean it's not official and I would put it into backports repos ;)
[02:17] <tseng> dave beckett was telling me my standards version was old
[02:17] <tseng> my lintian doesnt know about a newer version :)
[02:26] <ajmitch> alright..
[02:26] <ajmitch> Debian version of wings3d is newer : 0.98.29b-1 vs 0.98.26-1ubuntu1
[02:26] <ajmitch> Breezy version of atom4 is newer : 4.1-1build1 vs 4.1-1
[02:26] <ajmitch> lincvs exists in universe but not debian
[02:26] <ajmitch> Breezy version of tcm is newer : 2.20+TSQD-1build1 vs 2.20+TSQD-1
[02:26] <ajmitch> now to do RFP/ITP lookups
[03:03] <chrissturm> hey guys, darcs doesnt build because of the cpp transition. what do i need to do to update the deb and submit it?
[03:10] <\sh> darcs?
[03:10] <jamessan|work> distributed version control system written in haskell
[03:11] <chrissturm> should be in main anyway :)
[03:11] <\sh> chrissturm: i will have a look this evening
[03:11] <\sh> oh..
[03:11] <\sh> then: #ubuntu-devel ;)
[03:11] <chrissturm> (i mean) should be move there
[03:11] <chrissturm> once :)
[03:12] <\sh> so it's universe? then i will have a look this evening on this package...
[03:12] <\sh> send me a reminder mail please :)
[03:12] <chrissturm> ash: i can also do it if you give me some help
[03:13] <\sh> chrissturm: check the libs (think about the c2) check https://wiki.ubuntu.com//CxxLibraryList for the correct transistion packages
[03:13] <chrissturm> ash; how do i display the build dependencies?
[03:13] <\sh> create a bugzilla entry for darcs...and attach a debdiff patch so i can grab it, apply it, rebuild it, and upload it
[03:14] <Lathiat> chrissturm: well, apt-get build-dep <package>will install them
[03:14] <Lathiat> nfi how to display them
[03:14] <\sh> apt-cache showsrc <package>
[03:14] <chrissturm> lathiat: that wont work because it has missing dependencies because of the c2 transition
[03:14] <chrissturm> thx \sh
[03:14] <\sh> chrissturm: which b-ds are missing?
[03:15] <chrissturm> ash: it depends on libgmp3
[03:16] <\sh> main
[03:16] <\sh>    gmp
[03:16] <\sh>    libgmp3
[03:16] <\sh>    libgmp3c2
[03:16] <\sh>    4.1.4-6ubuntu1
[03:16] <\sh> so it should build with: libgmp3-dev or something
[03:16] <chrissturm> yep
[03:17] <\sh> chrissturm: it's already done :)
[03:17] <\sh> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10648
[03:17] <\sh> it should build
[03:17] <chrissturm> \sh: darcs needs to be fixed to use the c2 package
[03:18] <chrissturm> \sh thats what i want to do
[03:19] <\sh> chrissturm: apt-get source darcs
[03:19] <\sh> cd darcs-<version>
[03:19] <\sh> cd debian
[03:19] <\sh> vi control
[03:19] <chrissturm> thx
[03:19] <\sh> give be the build-depends: line please :)
[03:20] <chrissturm> Build-Depends: ghc6 (>> 6.2), tetex-extra, libcurl3-dev, debhelper (>> 4.0), tetex-bin, tex4ht | latex2html | hevea, exim4 | mail-transport-agent, dvipng
[03:20] <chrissturm> \sh: ghc6 isnt installable
[03:21] <\sh> aha
[03:22] <\sh> now i need to know what ghc6 is :)
[03:22] <chrissturm> haskell compiler
[03:22] <chrissturm> ghc6 - GHC - the Glasgow Haskell Compilation system
[03:22] <chrissturm> looks like this is going to be more work :)
[03:23] <ogra> looks like ghc6 only needs a recompile
[03:23] <chrissturm> i'm getting the source right now
[03:24] <\sh> hope the patch is working now
[03:26] <chrissturm> when i do apt-get build-dep ghc6 it shows it cant satisfy the deps. how can i know what dep he is missing?
[03:28] <\sh> chrissturm: pbuilder :) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[03:29] <chrissturm> \sh, thx
[03:33] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:33] <chrissturm> \sh: do i need pbuilder if i already run breezy?
[03:35] <\sh> chrissturm: sure..clean build environment and u see whats going wrong
[03:35] <chrissturm> ok
[03:37] <\sh> ogra: do u think it's a good idea to put revu on berlios`
[03:37] <\sh> ?
[03:37] <ogra> \sh, nope.... wait until we get the server in the DC
[03:38] <\sh> ogra: i mean for development...so that debian can participate
[03:38] <\sh> ogra: revu.ubuntu.linux-server.org ;)
[03:39] <ogra> \sh, you mean the source ?
[03:39] <\sh> yep
[03:39] <\sh> now we have to hack the sbuild functionality in it
[03:39] <ogra> \sh, just make a source package ;)
[03:39] <\sh> hahaha  :)
[03:39] <ogra> they can grab it
[03:40] <\sh> ah...today is TB meeting right?
[03:40] <bddebian> TB == Technical Board?
[03:40] <ogra> i do the same with gnome power... netsnipe gets notified about every new package, i package it without -ubuntuX version... so i'm his upstream and he is mine *g*
[03:46] <kiko> ogra, 10h to bugday?
[03:46] <kiko> or was it postponed?
[03:47] <chrissturm> hmm, pbuilder failed for me: I: Configuring dpkg-dev...
[03:47] <chrissturm> W: Failure while configuring base packages.  This will be attempted 5 times.
[03:47] <ogra> kiko, nope.... i'll have to write that announcement today...
[03:47] <chrissturm> and then /usr/bin/apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot o pen shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:47] <\sh> chrissturm: did u setup it the right way?
[03:47] <chrissturm> i followed the howto on the wiki and replaced hoary with breezy
[03:48] <chrissturm> \sh: doesnt seem so :D
[03:48] <\sh> u r running breezy or hoary?
[03:48] <chrissturm> breezy
[03:48] <\sh> then u don't need the way over hoary to breezy :) replace from hoary howto: hoary with breezy ;)
[03:49] <kiko> ogra, what does the great mdz say?
[03:49] <chrissturm> \sh: sorry, dont get it
[03:49] <chrissturm> i followed the howto, and replaced hoary with breezy.
[03:49] <\sh> chrissturm: u r running breezy, so forget about hoary. check the howto, and replace every "hoary" word with "breezy"
[03:50] <ogra> kiko, he said we would do it in any case iirc
[03:50] <chrissturm> thats what i did
[03:50] <ogra> kiko, you were there...
[03:50] <\sh> chrissturm: and the update from hoary to breezy at the end?
[03:51] <kiko> ogra, but my memory is worth jack foobs
[03:51] <chrissturm> \sh: i did this:     sudo pbuilder create --distribution breezy
[03:51] <ogra> kiko, smoke less pod ;)
[03:51] <chrissturm> and every time the howto said hoary i used breezy instead
[03:51] <chrissturm> the -create failed
[03:51] <ogra> kiko, and drink less alcohol
[03:52] <ogra> kiko, and wear a hat in the sun ;)
[03:52] <\sh> chrissturm: ok..u adjusted the /etc/pbuilder/pbuilderrc
[03:52] <chrissturm> yep. does pbuilder write a log file?
[03:53] <kiko> ogra, I'll need to write that all down if I am to remember it
[03:53] <ogra> hehe
[03:53] <\sh> u copied the files from /etc/apt/* to /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/
[03:53] <\sh> u set allow-unauthenticed
[03:53] <chrissturm> \sh: yep
[03:53] <\sh> chrissturm: and u removed 99update-notifier from /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/apt.conf.d/
[03:53] <chrissturm> right
[03:54] <chrissturm> maybe pbuilder is broken
[03:54] <\sh> it will write to /var/cache/pbuilder ...
[03:54] <\sh> no i'm running it here on breezy :)
[03:59] <chrissturm> is it normal that i have both /etc/pbuilderrc and /etc/pbuilder/pbuilderrc?
[03:59] <chrissturm> never mind, its a link :)
[04:02] <chrissturm> \sh: i'm clueless now
[04:03] <bddebian> Does all of the stuff on UniverseCandidates not have a Debian equivalent or should Debian be checked first?
[04:06] <chrissturm> can someone help me getting pbuilder running?
[04:08] <\sh> chrissturm: ask auf #ubuntu-devel about pbuilder...I'm a bit busy right now :(
[04:10] <chrissturm> thx
[04:14] <chrissturm> ok, i get it. its not possible to install breezy with pbuilder directly, i need to first install hoary and then update to breezy
[04:14] <chrissturm> i thought the wiki was outdated and i can go to breezy directly
[04:14] <Lathiat> hm, i installed breezy directly
[04:15] <Lathiat> oh well )
[04:15] <chrissturm> well, lets hope it works with hoary first, then breezy
[04:28] <chrissturm> ok, first hoary then update to breezy worked
[04:30] <\sh> ogra: we need to have a meeting just before dholbach will leave for berlin ;)
[04:33] <ogra> \sh, yes...
[04:35] <bddebian> Am I just asking dumb questions or something?
[04:36] <\sh> bddebian: debian should be checked first
[04:36] <bddebian> Thank you
[04:37] <bddebian> If it's in Debian, how do you folks pull it?  Do you add a deb-src for Debian or just grab it manually?
[04:37] <chrissturm> hmm, the build deps are in *.dsc and in debian/control. do i need to change both?
[04:37] <chrissturm> (when using pbuilder)
[04:38] <\sh> debian/control
[04:38] <\sh> then debuild -S
[04:38] <\sh> and then sudo pbuilder <package>.dsc
[04:38] <chrissturm> thx!
[04:38] <ogra> or -S -sa if its a new upstream version
[04:39] <chrissturm> ok, so if i just fix build deps i just use -S
[04:39] <ogra> and use fakeroot if working on the source package, not sudo or root
[04:39] <ogra> (where root tasks are needed)
[04:40] <\sh> and send the debdiff to bugzilla (it's the best right now)
[04:41] <chrissturm> hmm, this darcs stuff seems to be too much for me right now. darcs depends on ghc6, ghc6 depends on haddock, and  haddock build depends on ghc6 | ghc5
[04:42] <ogra> its a compiler, isnt it ? compilers are most often depending on themselves
[04:43] <chrissturm> yeah. but how do i work around this?
[04:43] <ogra> so you need one working copy installed at leas, to bottstrap them
[04:45] <ogra> i.e. having a ghc binary installed from tgz, then build haddock on it without the ghc build dep, then build ghc on top of that as a package and rebuild haddock with the added build dep on ghc.... you have to reak the circle once and fix it afterwards
[04:45] <ogra> s/reak/break
[04:46] <chrissturm> hmm, where do i find debuild?
[04:46] <Lathiat> install devscripts
[04:46] <Lathiat> and it appears
[04:46] <Lathiat> i think
[04:47] <\sh> apt-file search debuild
[04:47] <chrissturm> thx. i thought it was in build-essential
[04:47] <\sh> devscripts: usr/bin/debuild
[04:48] <ogra> chrissturm, sudo apt-get install apt-file ;)
[04:48] <ogra> apt-file update && apt-file search debuild
[04:49] <ogra> oh, missing one sudo
[04:49] <chrissturm> np, thanks for all the help
[04:54] <Lathiat> hmmq
[04:54] <Lathiat> apt-file is missing a dependancy on curl
[04:55] <chrissturm> lathiat: works for me
[04:56] <Lathiat> chrissturm: because you already ahd curl installed proabbly :)
[04:56] <chrissturm> hehe, prolly :)
[04:57] <chrissturm> ogra: the trick with breaking the circle and closing it afterwards, how will that work on the build servers then?
[04:58] <Lathiat> chrissturm: depending onthe situation it may require some manual handling
[04:58] <chrissturm> hehe, who needs haskell anyway.
[04:58] <ogra> ghc ?
[04:58] <ogra> :)
[04:58] <chrissturm> sad, because darcs is really nice
[05:00] <\sh> chrissturm: u wanna give up?
[05:00] <chrissturm> how do i install the ghc binary into the pbuilder chroot
[05:00] <chrissturm> ?
[05:01] <\sh> via hooks
[05:01] <chrissturm> \sh: i thought it would be easier....
[05:01] <\sh> or it should fetch the ghc5
[05:01] <\sh> or an old ghc6 binary..if it's correct what you showed me
[05:02] <chrissturm> ok
[05:05] <chrissturm> \sh: there is no ghc6 or ghc5 binary because both depend on libgmp3
[05:08] <\sh> well, lets see if I can find the time ;)
[05:14] <ivoks> hi all
[05:22] <bddebian> Hello ivoks
[05:23] <\sh> ivoks: u can upload now? ,-)
[05:24] <chrissturm> \sh: if you could look at it that would be really great. its just too much for me since i'm very new to building debs and pbuilder. :D
[05:24] <ivoks> \sh: didn't try :)
[05:25] <ogra> guys, TB meeting time has changed to 17:00 UTC
[05:25] <ivoks> oh
[05:25] <ivoks> 90 minutes
[05:26] <ogra> yep
[05:26] <\sh> argl...i hope I can manage it...
[05:29] <\sh> ok...going home :) tb is much more important then sitting here ;) and waiting for tickets :)
[05:31] <ivoks> :)
[05:52] <ivoks> so... new X are coming in september?
[05:53] <ivoks> breezy will be frozen when that happens :(
[06:02] <l337> but we have the.... BACKPORTS!!!
[06:10] <\sh> re
[06:11] <\sh> hmmm...a quick shower would be good...so...:)
[06:28] <siretart> cu tomorrow
[06:29] <uniq> cu.
[06:29] <\sh> siretart: meeting ;)
[06:29] <\sh> 17UTC ;)
[06:29] <tseng> hi..
[06:30] <\sh> hey tseng
[06:31] <siretart> \sh: sorry, I cannot attend. Tuesday evening is a very bad day for me :(
[06:32] <siretart> \sh: perhaps you can represent the revu team? you know now almost every details, and the most critical feature is elma anyway
[06:32] <siretart> but I will read the backlog ;)
[06:33] <\sh> siretart: sure..
[06:33] <siretart> *wave*
[06:33] <\sh> siretart: have fun and a good evening :)
[06:33] <siretart> thanks :)
[06:51] <\sh> revu is growing
[06:52] <ogra> TB meeting in 10 minutes !
[06:54] <\sh> added revu to agenda ,-)
[06:55] <\sh> ogra: can you provide me with your source for the logfiles of lamont? we would like to incoorperate your syntax highlighting to elma :)
[06:55] <ogra> oki, i'll mail it to you
[06:56] <\sh> ogra: thx :)
[06:56] <ogra> my server will be happy if it looses some load :)
[06:58] <\sh> yes :)
[06:59] <\sh> ogra: where is the goal list? the one on uduwiki?
[06:59] <ogra> yep
[07:08] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: where are you when we need you? :))
[07:09] <\sh> he sleeps?,-)
[07:09] <ivoks> he thinks meeting is at 22:00
[07:09] <ivoks> :)
[07:09] <ivoks> we should put him in topic
[07:24] <\sh> no..he sleeps..:)
[07:25] <ivoks> he's from australia?
[07:25] <\sh> yepp
[07:25] <Lathiat> indeedly
[07:42] <tseng> ogra: so Unfrgiven was approved?
[07:42] <ogra> yep :)
[07:42] <ivoks> motu team grows
[07:42] <ivoks> i'm no longer last on the list :)
[07:42] <tseng> ogra: great, i was going to come ++ him
[07:42] <tseng> but had to lunch
[07:43] <ogra> he is through :)
[07:43] <\sh> but psst...it's a surprise for Unfrgiven ;)
[07:43] <ivoks> ok :)
[07:43] <Amaranth> someone else got approved for something without being at the meeting?
[07:44] <\sh> no. DanielN_atw is due in two weeks
[07:44] <Amaranth> whew
[07:45] <\sh> and we need to guide him more in those 2 weeks
[07:45] <\sh> so please support him whenever possible...cause i will have less time next week
[07:46] <ivoks> np
[07:47] <ivoks> we should upload all new packages to revu? even those on wiki?
[07:48] <\sh> ivoks: w8t :)
[07:48] <ivoks> :)
[07:48] <ivoks> just for few minutes :)
[07:48] <\sh> we will migrate all the stuff to a new server:) but u can upload right now
[07:48] <ivoks> siretart really did great job
[07:49] <\sh> yeah...and it's running on revu.ubuntu.linux-server.org right now :) i'm hacking elma support in ;)
[07:49] <ivoks> i know it's your server :)
[07:49] <ivoks> debian, right?
[07:49] <\sh> ubuntu :)
[07:49] <ivoks> with broken linda and litian
[07:49] <\sh> hoary
[07:49] <ivoks> oh, that's something new
[07:49] <\sh> not for long:)
[07:50] <\sh> siretart can't install a sbuild
[07:50] <\sh> but i can...so we try to move it to my server and try to establish the build environment
[07:50] <ivoks> great
[07:51] <ivoks> it would build automaticly
[07:51] <ivoks> time for revu :)
[07:51] <\sh> looks like
[08:08] <ivoks> ok guys, i could provide machine with root access
[08:08] <ivoks> with 200GB of disk space
[08:11] <bddebian> ivoks: Sounds perfect to an Ubuntu Hurd archive. ;-)
[08:11] <ivoks> :)))
[08:11] <ivoks> hurd maniac
[08:11] <bddebian> :-)
[08:13] <ivoks> gigabit link, lot's of space, distro we want, enviorment we want... not interested? :)
[08:13] <ivoks> and no, no hurd :)
[08:13] <bddebian> :'-(
[08:17] <ivoks> bddebian: do you have team for hurd?
[08:18] <bddebian> ivoks: No, I haven't done anything yet.  I'm trying to gather some more info.
[08:18] <ivoks> ok
[08:18] <ivoks> if you decide to work on it, let me know
[08:18] <bddebian> Plus I was hoping to get a little more exposure to the Ubuntu "world" first :-)
[08:18] <ivoks> maybe i could set some enviorment for you
[08:19] <bddebian> Well I want to talk to Jeff in more detail also, but I knew he is VERY busy. :-(
[08:19] <Lathiat> im pondering an alpha port
[08:19] <Lathiat> ive got my hands half on 10 dual 800mhz alphas
[08:19] <bddebian> That's cool
[08:20] <Lathiat> i washoping to talk to someone to see whats involved
[08:20] <Lathiat> and whether i have the time to look at it :)
[08:20] <Lathiat> and whether itdbe worth it :)
[08:20] <Lathiat> heh
[08:22] <\sh> Lathiat: hahaha...i just was thinking about distcc and ccache buildd over lan and wan ;)
[08:23] <\sh> hooking distcc inside a pbuilder or sbuild env and ccache as well ;)
[08:23] <Lathiat> heh
[08:24] <ivoks> ok, see you guys
[08:24] <\sh> cu ivoks :)
[08:47] <tseng> hi
[08:48] <bddebian> Hello tseng
[08:50] <Lathiat> tseng: hrm muineis pretty goodnow, all itneeds is to automatically continue queueing stuffin my playlist not haveme do it myself :)
[08:50] <tseng> Lathiat: it does dude
[08:50] <tseng> preference tab
[08:51] <tseng> refill playlist
[08:51] <tseng> in ruffle
[08:51] <Lathiat> oh
[08:51] <Lathiat> look at that
[08:51] <Lathiat> hiding heh
[08:51] <tseng> when you get to the last song
[08:51] <tseng> it gives you 10 more
[08:51] <Lathiat> nice
[08:51] <tseng> but
[08:51] <tseng> if i turn on "same artist/genre/audioscobbler" in the main window
[08:51] <tseng> it causes segfaults somehow
[08:52] <tseng> (please debug this for me :)
[08:52] <Lathiat> well
[08:52] <Lathiat> min edidn tsegfault
[08:52] <Lathiat> but i didnt get new songs on the end
[08:52] <tseng> well
[08:53] <tseng> did you load the track list in ruffle
[08:53] <tseng> you did something wrong :)
[08:53] <tseng> on preferences again, import tracks
[08:53] <Lathiat> i have keep filled etc
[08:53] <tseng> no
[08:53] <tseng> import tracks
[08:53] <Lathiat> i did that
[08:53] <tseng> it goes across with a pgoress bar for a few minutes
[08:53] <tseng> ok
[08:53] <Lathiat> i could generate a list and add that
[08:53] <Lathiat> that works good
[08:54] <tseng> well fix your shit, then
[08:54] <Lathiat> hrm
[08:54] <Lathiat> its broken
[08:54] <tseng> you're broken
[08:54] <tseng> *G*
[08:54] <Lathiat> sif
[08:54] <Lathiat> i'll break you ;p
[08:55] <Lathiat> ok after restart it worked
[08:55] <tseng> rock on
[08:55] <Lathiat> its not segfaultingbut ater turning all of those on it just doesnt add anythign to the playlist anymore
[08:56] <tseng> um
[08:56] <Lathiat> (genra/artist/scrobbler)
[08:56] <tseng> i have not figured out the cause you
[08:56] <tseng> yet?
[08:58] <Lathiat> nope
[08:58] <Lathiat> i'll fiddle later
[08:58] <Lathiat> its bedtime now
[09:10] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: still sleeping? :)
[09:12] <herve> heya!
[09:15] <ivoks> herve:
[09:15] <bddebian> Howdy herve
[09:15] <ivoks> we have a new member
[09:15] <ivoks> Unfrgiven
[09:15] <herve> hehe
[09:15] <herve> congrats to him then!
[09:16] <ivoks> yep
[09:17] <ivoks> ok, network manager looks good, but it would be nice if it would have menu entry or applet entry :)
[09:17] <tseng> still no planet gnome
[09:17] <tseng> ivoks: NOPE
[09:17] <tseng> ivoks: its too elite
[09:17] <ivoks> :)
[09:18] <ivoks> tseng: can we use something different than bind9?
[09:18] <herve> wow, 424 messages in breezy-changes?
[09:18] <herve> I don't remember being offline for that long
[09:18] <tseng> ivoks: ask thom
[09:18] <ivoks> that bind is really killing me
[09:18] <\sh> oh...thunder and lightning are coming :)
[09:18] <ivoks> i'll try to work something out...
[09:19] <herve> ok got it, the C++ transition is over
[09:19] <ivoks> herve: apps aren'y
[09:19] <ivoks> herve: apps aren't
[09:19] <herve> \sh, you lucky!
[09:19] <ivoks> i had rain allready here :(
[09:19] <herve> ivoks, but I think I read their upload announce
[09:19] <\sh> herve: no...some packages are left..
[09:20] <herve> ha ok
[09:20] <herve> the automatic process doesn't cover 100%
[09:21] <ivoks> ok, what can I do for MOTU?
[09:21] <ivoks> i want to do something
[09:21] <ivoks> :)
[09:21] <bddebian> Me too :-)
[09:22] <ivoks> bddebian: let's think of something...
[09:22] <ivoks> bddebian: no, hurd isn't an option
[09:22] <ivoks> :>
[09:22] <bddebian> ivoks: Hurd! Doh, you beat me to it.. :-)
[09:22] <herve> there are probably bugs in malone...
[09:23] <herve> did I say "probably"? :-)
[09:23] <ivoks> yes, there are...
[09:24] <bddebian> Yeah but they're "hard" ;-)
[09:25] <ivoks> ok, i'll fix mozilla-liferea
[09:26] <ivoks> it should depend on firefox, not mozilla-browser
[09:26] <ivoks> or |
[09:26] <herve> api compatible?
[09:26] <ivoks> i'll check it first
[09:26] <\sh> hmm..cdbs
[09:27] <ivoks> i want to do it!
[09:27] <ivoks> i never did a bugfix :(
[09:28] <herve> nothing much
[09:28] <herve> synchronizing with debian is another task
[09:29] <ivoks> ok, how do you do sync?
[09:30] <ivoks> changelogs are different
[09:31] <jamessan|work> ivoks: according to liferea's site, it requires mozilla. firefox isn't enough.
[09:31] <herve> as I learnt it
[09:31] <herve> you get the latest debian package
[09:31] <ivoks> jamessan|work: ok
[09:31] <herve> and put back any appropriate ubuntu patch
[09:31] <ivoks> but it opens links in firefox
[09:31] <herve> forget the ubuntu changelog
[09:32] <ivoks> ok
[09:32] <herve> it opens links in the gnome default browser I think
[09:32] <jamessan|work> ivoks: well, that's probably it just using the default... yeah
[09:32] <ivoks> herve: yes
[09:32] <ivoks> i ment to say it can open links in firefox
[09:33] <ivoks> herve: and then just add changes in changelog?
[09:33] <herve> I think it's just giving "http://..." as an argument to the executable
[09:33] <ivoks> nope
[09:34] <ivoks> it uses mozilla
[09:34] <herve> ivoks, add an entry versionned ubuntu1 saying "Resync with Debian"
[09:34] <ivoks> it needs mozilla
[09:34] <Burgundavia> wow, gnome-terminal is now lightning fast
[09:34] <ivoks> herve: yeah, i know that..
[09:34] <herve> or better, all changes are merged and you just upload the debian source package
[09:34] <ivoks> Burgundavia: yep, much faster
[09:34] <herve> not to download for me ;-)
[09:34] <ivoks> ok, i understand how
[09:35] <ivoks> d/l debian and ubuntu source
[09:35] <ivoks> apply ubuntu's patches to debian source
[09:35] <herve> ... where appropriate :-)
[09:35] <ivoks> and do regular ubuntuization of package
[09:35] <herve> scott's site may help for having the diff
[09:35] <ivoks> herve: of course
[09:36] <ivoks> liefrea uses mozilla to render pages inside the liefrea
[09:37] <herve> I think of 3 I'll merge soon
[09:49] <Unfrgiven> hey all
[09:49] <Unfrgiven> meeting is over already?
[09:49] <\sh> Unfrgiven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:50] <Unfrgiven> i thought it was 20:00 UTC?
[09:50] <\sh> *hugs* welcome to the MOTU
[09:50] <Unfrgiven> hey \sh!!! thanks :D
[09:50] <Unfrgiven> OMG IM SO EXCITED
[09:50] <Unfrgiven> WOOOHOOOOOO
[09:50] <\sh> congratulations and celebrations :)
[09:51] <\sh> Unfrgiven: u know what to do now? :)
[09:51] <\sh> (after drinking the bottle of champagne?)
[09:51] <Unfrgiven> well i guess i have to now look at learning dput?
[09:51] <Unfrgiven> its 5:50 am here.... i thought the meeting was at 20:00 UTC?
[09:51] <herve> yo, Unfrgiven!
[09:51] <herve> welcome to the fearless motu club!
[09:51] <Unfrgiven> according to my watch it sez 19:51 UTC
[09:52] <Unfrgiven> herve: thanx dude :)
[09:52] <\sh> yeah..it was a bit earlier cause mdz couldn't attend at 20 utc
[09:52] <herve> Unfrgiven, I saw an announce on the ubuntu-dev list
[09:53] <Unfrgiven> \sh: ah ok....
[09:53] <Unfrgiven> man im so pumped!!!!
[09:53] <Unfrgiven> this is exciting stuff
[09:53] <\sh> Unfrgiven: anyways, you're approved MOTU now
[09:53] <bddebian> Congrats Unfrgiven
[09:54] <Unfrgiven> \sh: thanks very much for your support. i just read the irc log :)
[09:54] <Unfrgiven> ogra: thanks for yours too :)
[09:54] <Unfrgiven> bddebian: thanks :)
[09:54] <\sh> Unfrgiven: for what? u did the job :)
[09:55] <\sh> and I'm just burning my laptop again...
[09:55] <Unfrgiven> \sh: for all your help and speaking for me :)
[09:55] <\sh> 2 pbuilders at the same time...one hoary one breezy...*ugs*
[09:55] <Unfrgiven> hehe cool :)
[09:55] <\sh> Unfrgiven: ah come on :)
[09:56] <\sh> hello rain? where r u?
[09:56] <Unfrgiven> \sh: since the meeting is already done, i might just get a bit more sleep :)
[09:56] <\sh> hehe :)
[09:56] <Unfrgiven> \sh: although its gonna be hard to get some i should really try!
[09:57] <herve> \sh, try to dance around!
[09:57] <Unfrgiven> \sh: so i guess ill cya on irc in a few hours :)
[09:57] <\sh> I'm just finished with build gmetadom :)
[09:57] <\sh> Unfrgiven: tomorrow morning for me yes :)
[09:57] <herve> Unfrgiven, where are you located?
[09:57] <Unfrgiven> \sh: cool :) with my debdiff?
[09:57] <Unfrgiven> herve: Australia
[09:57] <\sh> Unfrgiven: check breezy-changes :)
[09:58] <Unfrgiven> \sh: hmmm havent got that mail yet....
[09:58] <Unfrgiven> \sh: guess it'll happen soon :)
[09:58] <\sh> will come in 5 mins at least :)
[09:58] <Unfrgiven> for now im going to head off... and talk to you all shortly
[09:59] <Unfrgiven> good night all :)
[09:59] <\sh> cu Unfrgiven  :) sleep well :)
[09:59] <herve> night
[09:59] <Unfrgiven> thanks :)
[10:01] <herve> so I guess C++ uploads are still frozen?
[10:03] <\sh> Changed-By: Ankur Kotwal <ankur.kotwal@gmail.com>
[10:08] <ivoks> damn nv driver
[10:11] <JanC> I see there was some talk about linode vservers during the meeting, why not use a real server ?
[10:13] <\sh> JanC: I'm using a real server :) but i think canonical has some deals with them. and a vserver is good enough for some things
[10:13] <JanC> linode vservers seem to be more expensive than dedi servers at some hosting providers like hetzner...
[10:13] <\sh> JanC: yes, but hetzner is sorry to say, more shiddy then 1&1 and schlund and hosteurope together
[10:14] <ivoks> i offered my server, but no... :)
[10:14] <mitsuhiko> nothing is more shiddy than hosteurope
[10:14] <JanC> I have no problems with hetzner
[10:14] <\sh> it's around the corner here ;) so i can be there really fast :)
[10:15] <JanC> of course we use it only for hobby stuff
[10:15] <JanC> not for a webshop or anything that needs high availability  :)
[10:16] <\sh> JanC: well we have there 1/2 rack at hosteurope and 2tb free traffic so it's ok :)
[10:16] <JanC> :)
[10:17] <JanC> we have "only" 350 GiB traffic a month ;)
[10:17] <JanC> and it's mainly used for mail at the moment  :)
[10:19] <\sh> Summary for  51 IPs:   87.922,39    407.475,46    495.397,85
[10:19] <\sh> 87GB IN 407GB OUT :)
[10:25] <herve> hi daniel
[10:28] <robitaille> which daniel?
[10:29] <robitaille> we are a few around here...
[10:29] <herve> well you, you just arrived
[10:29] <robitaille> hi :)
[10:30] <robitaille> when you just arrive in a channel, you never know if you are jumping right in the middle of another conversation
[10:32] <herve> but I find calling people by their nickname so impersonal :-)
[10:34] <uniq> \sh: can i just re-upload a updated version of a package to revu, and the old source will be replaced - or will it make a new entry?
[10:34] <robitaille> in my case, when I see "daniel", I keep thinking it is for "daniels"
[10:35] <ivoks> when I see Ante, i think of my self :)
[10:35] <ivoks> not many Antes arround :)
[10:36] <siretart> back from course. good evening everybody!
[10:36] <herve> hello
[10:37] <siretart> uniq: a new entry will be created, because revu lists "uploads"
[10:37] <uniq> siretart: ok thanks.
[10:38] <ivoks> siretart: revu did good
[10:38] <uniq> revu did very good.
[10:38] <ivoks> on meeting
[10:38] <siretart> :)
[10:39] <siretart> I'm happy to hear that. just go on and use it! :)
[10:40] <ivoks> you know what would be good?
[10:40] <ivoks> connect revu with jabber
[10:40] <ivoks> \sh: i saidd jabber :)
[10:41] <siretart> ivoks: uuuh, that would be great. if you know how to do it, write an interface, I'll happily include that :)
[10:41] <ivoks> so it would send message on upload/review
[10:41] <ivoks> siretart: i could try
[10:41] <uniq> siretart: so.. when i do a change (as for ipodslave the copyright change) the idea is that i shouldn't upload anything?
[10:41] <siretart> ivoks: dholbach already requested rss feeds
[10:42] <ivoks> uniq: upload, but do a + on version
[10:42] <ivoks> siretart: heh, that would be good too
[10:43] <siretart> uniq: time will teach us best practices how to use revu. I think every to revu should be prepared with the intention to get it uploaded to universe.
[10:43] <ivoks> i think \sh and I could workout jabber thingy
[10:43] <siretart> uniq: revu is just a tool for faciliating the reviewing and sponsoring itself.
[10:44] <uniq> siretart: sure. it would be good with a function to 'update' the online sources without creating a new entry in the list.
[10:44] <uniq> for tracking comments on each package.
[10:46] <siretart> uniq: you mean a possibility to update uploads.. hmm. that would be great. but I'm unsure how to implement that
[10:47] <ivoks> siretart: on upload, search database for same name of package, if egsist, replace it, leaving comments
[10:47] <uniq> siretart: yes exactly.. update uploads. could be as simple as a 'delete-old-sources' button in the webinterface.
[10:47] <siretart> \sh: thanks for your standing in at the meeting. I just read the backlog: ROCK!
[10:48] <uniq> or.. even better something like ivoks idea  :)
[10:48] <siretart> uniq: that button (it's called "nuke upload") is already available and only available for the admins atm
[10:48] <siretart> uniq: do you think it would help to allow users to nuke their own uploads?
[10:49] <ivoks> we would have busy server :)
[10:49] <uniq> siretart: also. i miss the possibility to add comments to my own uploads. an example is kio-locate where i have a intentional linda error.. would be ok for me to be able to tell the reviewers that somehow.
[10:49] <uniq> siretart: yeah.. would be great imho.
[10:50] <ivoks> ok, we should download the revu source
[10:50] <ivoks> and create patches
[10:50] <ivoks> lot of words never did any good :)
[10:50] <siretart> ivoks: hm. the current implementation of the database scheme differentiates between source packages and uploads. perhaps you should look at the ER schema to understand this
[10:50] <siretart> uniq: ok, you conviced me. contributors definitly should be able to comment
[10:51] <ivoks> siretart: i didn't review it, but i intend too
[10:51] <ivoks> but first, let's get some sleep :)
[10:52] <ivoks> n8 all
[10:52] <siretart> ivoks: hehe :) - gn8 ivoks
[10:52] <mitsuhiko> gn8
[10:52] <uniq> gnite ivoks.
[10:53] <\sh> siretart: ah :)
[10:54] <\sh> siretart: i updated the code a bit ;) directories are shown now with <dir> instead of a "-" ...and now I'm writing on a sourcedir parser ;)
[10:55] <uniq> siretart: maybe a option to just re-upload the diff would be good? - if it's easy to implement. for huge packages uploading the orig is a pain.
[10:56] <uniq> 'nuke everything except orig.tar.gz' or something like that.
[10:56] <uniq> just throwing out ideas here.. :)
[10:56] <siretart> \sh: rock!
[10:58] <siretart> uniq: I'm not quite sure how to detect if an upload updates another one. I'd rather implement something which downloads the origtarball from the archive if not supplied
[10:58] <uniq> siretart: it's not always in the archive.
[10:58] <siretart> uniq: could you please check if you can comment on your own uploads?
[10:59] <uniq> sure.
[10:59] <\sh> siretart: what about a webinterface for uploading .dsc and .diff.gz if a sourcepackage is already there?
[11:00] <\sh> after the first review
[11:00] <siretart> uniq: yes, that's the difficulty. But I think a script which checks if the orig.tar.gz is in the archive and if yes, downloading it would help. if its not there, then many (in fact most) following automated tests would fail
[11:02] <siretart> \sh: that could be a solution: to offer an different upload way via webinterface. in that case, only the .dsc and diff.gz would be necessary to upload
[11:02] <siretart> good idea, will think about it how to implement
[11:02] <\sh> and changes as well
[11:02] <siretart> of course. thats part of the source package. in fact, a new source package would have to be uploaded
[11:03] <\sh> yeah but when uploading with -sa, the source.changes will be uploaded as well
[11:03] <\sh> sorry without -sa
[11:03] <siretart> yeah
[11:04] <uniq> siretart: it's still the one at tauware.de right? - in that case, no, i can't comment on my uploads.
[11:04] <siretart> hm
[11:04] <siretart> uniq: is your login the same as the email mention in the headline of details.py?
[11:05] <uniq> yes.
[11:05] <siretart> hm. ok. debugging
[11:05] <herve> night all
[11:10] <\sh> hmm...debugging jabberd2_cvs20050628
[11:12] <\sh> sistpoty: welcome :) heard the good news?
[11:12] <sistpoty> hi \sh
[11:12] <sistpoty> do you mean, that sbuild works?
[11:13] <\sh> sistpoty: sbuild works, i'm trying to put it now into revu...
[11:13] <sistpoty> great :)
[11:14] <\sh> sistpoty: and we will get a new home for revu and elma :)
[11:14] <\sh> thx to mark and tb :)
[11:14] <sistpoty> very cool :)
[11:15] <uniq> siretart: now i can add comments.
[11:15] <uniq> and just for my own packages too. great work siretart :)
[11:16] <siretart> :)
[11:16] <uniq> you might want to remove "advocate this upload" for contributors.
[11:16] <siretart> huhu sistpoty :)
[11:17] <siretart> uniq: just finished :)
[11:17] <uniq> and one more thing.. the login information is sendt whenever you reload the front page.. is that necessary?
[11:17] <sistpoty> hi siretart
[11:18] <siretart> uniq: you mean the string "logged in as foo@example.com"?
[11:18] <uniq> siretart: no, my username and password.
[11:19] <uniq> ehm. wait.
[11:19] <siretart> uniq: err, ah, I think I understand you, but I think that's the way webapplications are intended to work
[11:22] <\sh> sistpoty: we need u as member and motu :)
[11:23] <siretart> ACK! :)
[11:23] <sistpoty> thanks, i'm honoured... :)
[11:24] <sistpoty> but give me at least one month time (next exam is exactly one month away)
[11:24] <sistpoty> and /me didn't start learning for it yet :(
[11:24] <siretart> sistpoty: you mean bs?
[11:24] <sistpoty> exactly
[11:24] <bddebian> heh
[11:25] <siretart> oh
[11:25] <siretart> well. thats absolutly possible in 4 weeks..
[11:27] <sistpoty> yes... but i don't want to have too many distracting things when i should learn g
[11:28] <Mithrandir> tseng: beagled becomes happy if you have symbolic links which points to themselves
[11:28] <siretart> sistpoty: wise decision :)
[11:29] <sistpoty> uniq: do you mean the postdata that is sent (if you reload after login)?
[11:30] <uniq> yes.
[11:31] <siretart> uniq: press ctrl-l and then enter on the main page
[11:31] <tseng> Mithrandir: you mean unhappy?
[11:31] <siretart> uniq: now reloading should work without resending postdata
[11:32] <uniq> siretart: what should ctrl-l do?
[11:32] <Mithrandir> tseng: yeah, unhappy.
[11:32] <tseng> yeah
[11:32] <uniq> i use konqueror.
[11:32] <tseng> Mithrandir: file a bug? :)
[11:32] <siretart> uniq: get the cursor in the url bar
[11:32] <Mithrandir> tseng: that is, it throws an exception in file_filter.
[11:32] <Mithrandir> tseng: nah, I prefer to nag you on IRC.
[11:32] <Mithrandir> :P
[11:32] <tseng> Mithrandir: when gnome bugzilla is back, that is
[11:32] <Mithrandir> tseng: I'll see if I remember
[11:32] <tseng> oh, they are rewritting the filters anyway
[11:32] <uniq> siretart: correct. it works. but it's not optimal :)
[11:33] <tseng> Mithrandir: can you bug me if it happens in the next upstream?
[11:33] <Mithrandir> sure
[11:33] <tseng> or is that too far off
[11:33] <Mithrandir> tseng: there's loads of scary warnings here, like: DEBUG: Caught SocketException -- we probably need to launch a helper: Connection refused
[11:33] <tseng> Mithrandir: beagle likes to talk to you
[11:33] <Mithrandir> tseng: it's chatty, yes
[11:34] <Mithrandir> tseng: it appears to work, though. :-)
[11:34] <tseng> thats a big plus
[11:34] <Mithrandir> (on i386, though)
[11:34] <tseng> i really need one of these whining amd64 users to be filing bugs
[11:35] <tseng> or to pool their money and get me and amd64 :D
[11:35] <Mithrandir> I'm going to start doing that once I finish moving house
[11:35] <tseng> that would be rad
[11:35] <Mithrandir> amd64s are cheap.
[11:35] <tseng> i helped trow, their lead i think, install breezy on amd64
[11:35] <tseng>  a few weeks ago
[11:36] <tseng> Mithrandir: that doesnt mean i want to drop a few hundred dollars on it to help users make it work. im already investing my time
[11:36] <tseng> they arent *that* cheap
[11:36] <Mithrandir> tseng: true.
[11:36] <JanC> tseng : I'll try breezy amd64 on a turion in the comming weeks  :)
[11:36] <Mithrandir> tseng: shame you're on the wrong continent or I could have given you my old once I get my dualcore sometime in the fall
[11:36] <tseng> if you have a bit of time to be filing bugs upstream for amd64 stuff that is obviously not a packaging issue
[11:36] <tseng> that would really help out
[11:38] <tseng> anyone for that matter. everyone who complains to me about amd64 is wasting their time as I cannot work with upstream on test cases etc
[11:38] <tseng> Nafallo: THIS MEANS YOU
[11:38] <tseng> :D
[11:39] <tseng> great, no mail from infinity
[11:45] <tseng> Unfrgiven: congrats
[11:46] <tseng> Unfrgiven: sorry i didnt make it to ++ you
[11:59] <ajmitch> morning
[11:59] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch