=== katzor [~udssr@p54BA0A36.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-motu ["night] [12:01] np [12:01] my bad, should've check man :) [12:01] GazerWork: excellent, i'll have another look [12:02] uh... i'll check this tomorrow :) [12:03] woah, sudden load of 18 on my vserver [12:03] but doesn't seem to be caused by me or revu.. [12:03] what a shok === lsuactiafner [~noirrac@tpc-ip-nas-1-p66.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:03] i felt the disturbance in the force ;) [12:04] somebody at least liked 2 of my packages [12:04] i'm so happy!!! === sistpoty is innocent :) [12:04] siretart: nice system. great improvement from the wiki. [12:04] :) [12:05] phew... writing README-files is exhausting [12:06] sistpoty : yeh it is [12:07] siretart: problem in revu? [12:07] E: wifi-radar_1.9.4-0ubuntu2_i386.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file breezy [12:07] ha, old lintian [12:07] it aborts checking of source [12:07] yeah, tauware.de is running debian stable atm [12:07] (no I cannot change that now ;) [12:08] :) [12:08] ok, i have hoary on my servers [12:08] can I install lintian/linda from breezy without hazzles? [12:09] they are scripts [12:09] siretart: you could create whole chroot for service :) [12:09] python/perl [12:09] hm. ic [12:10] GazerWork: finally :) [12:10] well, revu on tauware is just for development anyway. [12:10] ok, but now I really need to get to bed [12:10] dholbach, I did it :D [12:11] good night siretart and thanks for the work [12:11] gn8 folks! see you tomorrow [12:11] gnite. [12:11] siretart: you're going to be a MOTU too soon? ;) [12:11] siretart: yeah, good job!! [12:11] gn8 siretart [12:11] if something really breakes, sistpoty has shell access and should be able to fix things ;) [12:11] sistpoty: you're going to be a MOTU too soon? ;) [12:11] hehe [12:12] omg [12:12] n8 sistpoty, thanks ivoks, bye dholbach :) [12:12] bye :) [12:12] dholbach: hm... i would like to, but for the next two month i should concentrate on my study (got two "diplom"-exams) [12:13] sistpoty: ha... :) [12:13] ich bin an der diplomarbeit und hab meine letzte klausur in zwei wochen ;) [12:13] but we needed the review day desperately, so i took half a day off :) [12:14] hehe [12:14] damn gksu [12:14] i'm off to bed [12:15] gn8 ivoks [12:15] bye ivoks [12:15] sorry, didn't do much today as I hoped... but I'll do in days to come [12:15] n8! [12:15] nite. === mgalvin [~mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:18] maybe the listing order should be reversed.. so motus can start at the top and finish the first packages first. [12:20] <\sh> mmm.. === Arrogance [~aks@CPE00112f96b894-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:20] <\sh> dput.cf how can i give a password to the login for method ftp? === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-184-135-68.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:23] <\sh> sistpoty: ping [12:23] <\sh> guys, anybody against public ssh key method? [12:23] <\sh> for uploading for revu? [12:24] pong... sorry was just smoking a cigarette [12:24] <\sh> sistpoty: some points against public ssh key uploading? [12:24] <\sh> no ftp method [12:25] <\sh> (or someone gives me a working config for vsftpd with named and anonymous uploads) ;) [12:25] \sh: why? [12:25] <\sh> dholbach: because I'm a vsftpd noob ;) [12:26] <\sh> named accounts I can handle, but dput not [12:26] those files are signed, that's why we don't need ssh or whatever :) [12:26] \sh: not really... will this work with dput? (have no experience with dput :() [12:27] <\sh> and i have no experience with vsftpd :( cause anonymous download works, but upload not [12:28] sistpoty: it does an anonymous ftp upload, runs some checks before, nothing serious :) [12:28] hi all [12:28] have I missed anything? :) [12:28] ajmitch: yes, you are the new MOTMOTU [12:28] REVIEW DAY GOING ON! :) [12:28] ajmitch: congratulations [12:28] *hide* [12:28] hah [12:29] i seem to have missed something as well ;) === tseng hugs dholbach [12:29] REVU rocks so hard [12:29] there hasn't been a TB/CC meeting, so I know it couldn't happen :) [12:29] yep [12:29] and won't [12:30] dholbach and \sh then anonymous ftp should be the choice, if dput doesn't support public ssh key uploading (at least i think, that siretart had this in mind) [12:30] oh, for access to revu source, so I could fix the glaring speeling misteaks [12:31] sistpoty: dput works fine with scp [12:31] ok... no objections any more :) [12:31] mentors.debian.net uses that method :) [12:32] oh shoot, i forgot - have to get up early tomorrow [12:32] i think i'll call it the day [12:32] http://mentors.debian.net/cheese.php [12:32] hah [12:32] <\sh> frmp [12:33] ajmitch: i can try to give you access to the subversion-repo... just send me a mail what password you wish (daemon@poleboy.de) [12:33] <\sh> 500 OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable anonymous root [12:34] "using thes service" -> "using this service" kthx [12:35] <\sh> ok...when I remove the write permission to the home dir of the ftp user then I can login via anonymous [12:35] good night [12:35] <\sh> but then I can't write [12:35] good nite, dholbach [12:35] night dholbach [12:35] hm... sorry, haven't tried vsftpd either [12:35] what do the letters in the advocating column mean? [12:36] true/false? [12:36] yep [12:36] spelling mistake fixed :) [12:36] whiprush: hi [12:36] perhaps that should be a bit clearer :) [12:37] kk :) [12:41] dinner time, bbl [12:42] hi all [12:42] hi Unfrgiven [12:43] how are you? [12:43] good thanks [12:44] you? [12:45] hey Unfrgiven [12:45] dinner suggestions? [12:46] steak & chips [12:46] hm [12:47] its hard to go out for that here by yourself [12:47] you look stupid [12:47] I've been wanting to have that for dinner for awhile [12:47] yep its a good one [12:47] i especially like cheese fries with bacon [12:47] chips are fries here [12:48] and crisps are chips :) [12:48] that's because your language is funny [12:49] arent crisps from the US? [12:51] wikipedia says "It is believed that the original potato chip recipe was created by Native American chef George Crum, at the Moon Lake Lodge in Saratoga Springs, New York on August 24, 1853" [12:51] tseng: im good [12:51] been fairly busy lately so havent been on irc much [12:51] and they were called Chips :D [12:51] ajmitch: it is you who are silly. [12:51] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato_chips [12:51] hey tseng, Unfrgiven, ajmitch, *.* [12:51] whiprush yo yo [12:51] whiprush: muine should be in [12:51] and also the fact that i managed to get addicted to both Grand Theft Auto San Andreas & Battlefield 2 did not help :) [12:52] whiprush: howdy dude [12:52] yeah I saw, haven't gotten to it yet though [12:52] hey Unfrgiven [12:52] how are things? [12:52] tseng: i had a question regarding the intro developer docs. should creating/configuring chroots and pbuilder be in the document? [12:52] tseng: as you can see, we make it simple & call everything chips [12:52] Unfrgiven: definately [12:52] tseng: i have started adding those bits it but it is blowing out the size [12:52] Unfrgiven: but its mostly written on the wiki, just formatting [12:53] hm well its important [12:53] where on the wiki is it? [12:53] tseng: its no longer the *really short* document we intended it to be [12:53] hm [12:53] it can't be too short if you want people to get some value from it [12:53] how long is it :) [12:53] tseng: i agree its important. but then we need to accept that the document is likely to be > 20 pages [12:53] <\sh> Wrong Password [12:53] <\sh> every single time..with a bloody ftp client i can upload [12:53] 20 pages for pbuilder? [12:54] tseng: 20 pages total... [12:54] tseng: not just pbuilder :P [12:54] when we say short, we mean significantly shorter than Debian New Maint [12:54] <\sh> anyways..tomorrow i will find a solution [12:54] <\sh> night all [12:54] Unfrgiven: what all is in it at this point? [12:54] \sh_away: nite dude [12:54] Unfrgiven: i dont think ive seen anything since UDU [12:54] to have a reference [12:54] are you wanting it for modifying packages, or creating new packages? [12:55] tseng: yeah i havent made it public yet. [12:55] since debian NM guide is very much tailored for new [12:55] as specced it was "unpack and examine an existing package, than roll your own" [12:55] right [12:55] Unfrgiven pretty much has creative lisence at this point, imo [12:56] its his project to complete as it makes sense [12:56] ok [12:56] :) [12:56] tseng: so far we have an intro/rationale, packages required (and what each one is for taken mostly out of the DNMG), chroot, pbuilder, creating new packages, updating existing new pacakges, a tips & tricks type section which is akin to a quick reference === ajmitch remembers trying to package something based on the debian docs [12:56] Unfrgiven: rock [12:57] Unfrgiven: yeah i really feel pbuilder is essential to the MOTU experience [12:57] the quick reference is things like a checklist of steps required to package something... so someone who knows what each step is but cant remember the list of steps can read it as they pacakge till they memorise [12:57] it forces good habits [12:57] yep thats a good one [12:57] tseng: agreed. i just wanted to set length expectations :) [12:58] tbh the length is less important than the language and conent maybe? [12:58] in terms of not scaring people off [12:58] i was pretty daunted by NM [12:58] tseng: yeah same here. but we said we wanted a short document as well to not scare off people [12:59] NM is ok if you get the right application manager [12:59] ajmitch: i mean, the guide [12:59] some alternatives i thought of was to perhaps put the chroot and pbuilder stuff as an appendix [12:59] g'nite together [12:59] Unfrgiven: you could, but its 100% required for motus to use it [12:59] so as to keep the focus on packaging rather than setting up the development environment [01:00] you could, but i think its bad to give them the option to do it sloppily the very first time [01:00] tseng: i know. and the packaging instructions are going to basically say that pbuilder is used to build a binary from a source package. i dont intend on even mentioning that there are other ways to do it [01:00] im willing to compromise on # of pages for covering the real world requirements [01:00] reminds me that I should try & update my pbuilder base [01:01] one of the things ive noticed with debian packaging is that there are many ways to do it. [01:01] which can be daunting [01:01] thats very true [01:01] Unfrgiven: of course [01:01] the document is sposed to show the *right* way to do it [01:01] do you really expect debian developers to agree on something? [01:01] its not really right [01:01] ajmitch: of course not :) [01:02] but there is a pretty consistany *MOTU* way of doing things [01:02] sure [01:02] but cdbs+dpatch isn't always the best way to package something, for example [01:02] tseng: yeah and the document should reflect that [01:02] ajmitch: thats why there is cdbs-edit-patch [01:02] *hide* [01:03] tseng: does that even work fullly yet? [01:03] Unfrgiven: sure does. [01:03] i use it pretty reguarly [01:03] but dpatch should be the one documented [01:03] its more common [01:03] ok. [01:04] does the cdbs-edit-patch offer any distinct advantages over dpatch? [01:04] yes, its a completely normal patch [01:04] i can send it to other maintainers or upstream [01:04] which failed with my package [01:04] ajmitch: hm now that you mention it, what was i having trouble wiht.. [01:05] tseng: ah right. and do you still need to modify debian/rules to have the patches applied like dpatch or is it taken care of? [01:05] my patch needed -p3 [01:05] patching inotify into muine it wanted to make another muine subdir [01:05] simple-patchsys only tries up to -p2 [01:05] Unfrgiven: there is simple-patchsys.mk in cdbs [01:05] Unfrgiven: that handles normal patches [01:05] it was -p3 because of tarball.mk, though [01:06] interesting. is there any real docos on cdbs-edit-patch? like if i need a 00list file, etc... [01:06] you do not [01:06] only put the patches in debian/patches [01:06] and add simple-patchsys.mk [01:06] too easy! [01:06] it's very easy to use [01:06] :) [01:06] it magically works, for better or worse [01:06] not quite foolproof, of course [01:06] cdbs can actually be terribly confusing at some points [01:07] because there is so much abstracted [01:07] where does it not work right? [01:07] blame jbailey :) === ajmitch hides [01:07] Unfrgiven: -p3, apperantly [01:07] that's just one example [01:07] lets stick to dpatch [01:07] if no one minds [01:07] in terms of the guide / new maintainers [01:08] yep sure thing [01:08] tseng: this inotify thing is pretty sex. [01:08] Blame me all you want, just make sure you ask ajmitch for help first ;) [01:09] whiprush: damn right [01:09] haha [01:09] jbailey: who's working on cdbs2 at the moment? [01:09] ajmitch: dilinger and I both. [01:09] tseng: just some of the other plugins and it'll rule. [01:09] i did them [01:10] jbailey: and hows the progress? :) [01:10] im just not sharing [01:10] woo [01:10] Unfrgiven: It works. Needs documentation and a test suite and we roll it out. [01:10] whiprush: ruffle is crashing for me something fierce with mono 1.1.8 [01:11] jbailey: great, somewhere that I can play with it? :) [01:11] jbailey: OMG! you're going to write documentation? already sounds better than cdbs1 ;) [01:11] ajmitch: build-common module on alioth. [01:11] Unfrgiven: It already has more docs than cdbs1 [01:12] ajmitch: err, svn.debian.org [01:12] jbailey: thats great, cant wait to play around with it. [01:12] jbailey: right, google found it :) [01:14] tseng: ah, ok, so it's just not me. [01:14] whiprush: you have it too? [01:14] yeah [01:14] whiprush: test this [01:14] its on playlist refill right? [01:14] even if I build it from source [01:14] yeah [01:14] on certain songs [01:15] as soon as it empties and is supposed to fill, boom. [01:15] ok turn off same artist/genre/audioscrobbler [01:15] and try a fill again [01:15] ok [01:15] sec [01:15] Unfrgiven: It won't make UVF On July 7th, so look for it in Breezy+1 or probably early August in Debian. [01:15] breezy+1 [01:15] mmmm, crack [01:16] jbailey: how about universe for breezy? [01:16] ajmitch: great idea! [01:16] if we're allowed, of course [01:16] the "we are supposed to be toking on the big launchpad bong" release [01:16] tseng: when is launchpad releasing? [01:16] when it's done :) [01:17] Unfrgiven: we are supposed to build breezy+1 with it afaik [01:17] ajmitch: I guess could do it as a separate package for breezy. [01:17] oh right... i thought it was in the breezy timeframe [01:17] malone will be released in a few weeks [01:17] which is scary, more of you need to be doing user testing [01:18] its working now? last i checked (several weeks back) it kept having "internal errors" [01:18] its still pretty crackful stuff [01:18] Unfrgiven: there are a few [01:18] jbailey: I'm guessing that the various cdbs rules would need to be migrated, eg gnome, python? [01:18] Yes, the syntax makes no attempt to be compatible. [01:18] speciically and PACKAGE/FOO: rules have to be completely rethought. [01:19] ok [01:19] I'll try & rework the gnue packages when it's near ready then :) [01:20] I haven't done the python stuff yet for cdbs2. [01:21] If you feel like diving in, I'd love it. [01:21] BEcause I know you have *so much* spare time. =) [01:21] oh of course I do :) [01:21] I'm not studying now ;) [01:21] We're not promising that the first release has every feature of the original. The only features that get into the new version will have testsuites and some sanity to them. [01:22] you know how much I love distutils === UbuWu [~UbuWu@h82151173197.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === UbuWu [~UbuWu@h82151173197.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ik] === bddebian [~bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:27] hello bddebian [03:27] Heya ajmitch [03:32] ajmitch: What are you up to man? [03:32] work [03:32] Oh yeah :-( [03:33] you know, the thing that pays the bills :) [03:34] Oh believe me, I know. :-) [03:34] how's your job going? [03:34] OK, but lots of hours. You? [03:35] ok, but not fulltime work [03:35] so I don't have as many hours [03:36] Ah [03:36] What does status patch in UniversCxxTransition mean? Does that mean a patch has already been done? [03:39] that there's a patch in debian BTS for it [03:39] UniverseCxxTransition doesn't really record what we've done, afaik [03:41] Damn, I just don't know what to try to help with. :'-( [03:41] ah, that is a problem [03:42] there's still abit of c++ stuff to do [03:42] most likely to be apps that FTFBS [03:42] ?? [03:48] fail to build from source [03:48] ie, they crash & burn during compile [03:48] whiprush: are you running mono1.1.6 [03:50] ajmitch: I know what FTBFS is, I was asking what was a problem, and what C++ stuff :-) [03:55] whatever happens to FTBFS that can be tracked to c++ ;) [03:56] ack, you're killing me dude [03:56] :-) [03:56] heh === ajmitch wishes ogra were around to bug.. [04:01] ajmitch: Is c++ stuff on a different list? [04:01] there is CxxLibraryList for the libs, and CxxApplicationList I think [04:01] but that would be an overall list of c++ packages\ [04:01] not just apps that have issues [04:02] Oh [04:02] since it would be a little hard to tell just what has issues [04:03] many have been re-uploaded to get them to build against a new c++ abi [04:03] but we have to check build logs for failures [04:07] Is: AC_CHECK_LIB(resolv, __res_search, foo, bar), valid? This link says to use AC_TRY_LINK_FUNC() but that bombs. [04:07] I have no idea :) [04:07] I was asking in general, but thanks for responding :-) [04:10] Sometimes I hate autoconf [04:14] I don't seem to stay logged into revu for very long === GazerWork [~gazer@mail.aktiv-assekuranz.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:39] hi guys, a simple cuestion, executable files for a game package must be installed en /usr/games ? [04:47] GazerWork: http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-customized-programs.html#s11.11 [04:51] jamessan, oh, I see, thx :) ... and what about game tools?, like level editors ? [04:53] those would just be a normal program, so I'd say /usr/bin === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:59] jamessan, oks, thx === womble [~mpalmer@eth1859.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ups [~ups@203.200.160.53] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-184-135-68.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === skvidal [~skvidal@skvidal.fedora] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [Amaranth@AC9ABCE4.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:36] 'lo all [06:38] hi [06:39] Hello skvidal [06:39] was looking for \sh or siretart or sistpoty about REVU code but it doesn't seem like they're around [06:40] um, shit [06:41] "the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled unaniumously against Grokster today" [06:41] i think this means i can get in trouble for pymusique :/ [06:41] Amaranth: the ruling isn't as bad as it seems, really. [06:41] oh [06:41] Amaranth: but people actively encouraging copyright infringement in the work are going to have trouble. [06:41] i see, promotion [06:42] promotion is where it becomes sticky, right. You should expect a whole new batch of lawsuits, though. [06:42] the real question is whether or not apple will get one [06:42] their rip. mix. burn. campaign sure sounded like active promotion of copyright infringement [06:43] yeah [06:43] oh, that reminds me [06:43] when the iPod came out in AUS the only way to put music on it was to rip CDs which afaik is illegal there [06:44] ripping cds isn't illegal [06:44] you're not circumventing copy protection when ripping cds [06:44] It is in australia [06:44] and still is [06:44] oh [06:44] sorry [06:44] you said AUS [06:44] hasnothign to do with copy protection circumvention [06:44] I read that as US [06:44] yeah [06:44] or well, it could [06:45] i just ripped a cd lastnight [06:45] so apple was promoting copyright infringement there [06:45] i've broken the lawn ow [06:45] even though i paid $25 for the cd [06:45] Lathiat: I broke the lawn once too [06:45] still are, unless they opened their store there [06:45] you think thats bad [06:45] thcheck this out [06:45] http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/0,2000061791,39199258,00.htm [06:45] today was a big news day [06:46] my life as a sysadmin just got scarier === Lathiat sighs [06:46] oh, those two sysadmins? [06:46] yep [06:46] there from an ISP in my city [06:46] you're slower than slashdot [06:46] that's sad :D [06:46] Lathiat: we run a bittorent server here, too, but the content is pretty much safe :) [06:46] skvidal: thats not the problem [06:46] the problem is [06:47] i admin a box with1 500 users [06:47] (www.bur.st) [06:47] which provides free accounts [06:47] every so often people do dodgy shit [06:47] all of a sudden, now, i could be accountable for their actions [06:47] Lathiat: yeah - free accounts suck [06:47] sorry [06:47] that makes it hard to keep up with them [06:47] skvidal: even if they werent free [06:47] you get the same on commercial hosting [06:47] we generally dont have tooo much of a problem [06:47] we screen accounts with a good application process [06:47] mostdodgy people dont even get an account [06:47] but shit happens [06:48] they cant do much if they dont donate money [06:48] Lathiat: in us law there are a number of safe harbors for service providers [06:48]