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| === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Kubuntu 5.04 Released http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu | ||
| === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Fri Apr 8 09:50:53 2005 | ||
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| \sh | Riddell: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10464 is it actual? | 09:37 |
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| pef | hello | 09:50 |
| \sh | hmmm...just patched akregator | 09:56 |
| pef | how can I find the right section in the control file for a package ? Is there any recommendations on how to choose a suitable section ? In the Debian documentation I only found this : http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections | 10:00 |
| pef | my package is datakiosk | 10:02 |
| pef | at the moment I think x11 is the most apropriate | 10:02 |
| \sh | pef: less /usr/share/lintian/checks/fields.desc and search for section | 10:03 |
| pef | \sh: thank you :) | 10:06 |
| pef | any kde apps should have kde section ? | 10:07 |
| \sh | depends...kmail has mail as section | 10:08 |
| \sh | but the source (kdepim) has x11 | 10:09 |
| pef | ok | 10:11 |
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| hunger | These vanishing and reappearing kwallets are a PAIN! | 11:29 |
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| hunger | The ksysguard applet is broken for good now... | 11:40 |
| hunger | It can no longer display any data! It used to be only broken for cpufreq, then it worked again for a while, now it is completly dead. | 11:41 |
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| Ayako | hi! | 12:22 |
| pef | hi | 12:26 |
| Ayako | pef: it's normal that www6.erodia.net is not responding? | 12:29 |
| pef | Ayako: yes, my gateway (wrap with m0n0wall) doesn't support ipv6, I will work at this later | 12:30 |
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| \sh | Riddell: please have a look on https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10464 ... | 01:30 |
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| hunger | What do I need to do to get a kde session in gdm/kdm after installing kubuntu-desktop? | 03:21 |
| uniq | select KDE from the session list. | 03:24 |
| hunger | uniq: How do I get it listed there? | 03:24 |
| hunger | uniq: It is missing:-( | 03:24 |
| uniq | hmm. | 03:24 |
| uniq | the display managers find the .desktop file in /usr/share/xsesions/ | 03:26 |
| hunger | uniq: Only gnome there... | 03:26 |
| uniq | ksmserver should provide the kde file. | 03:27 |
| hunger | And shouldn't that kind of data reside in /etc? | 03:27 |
| uniq | apparently not. | 03:28 |
| hunger | uniq: Might be a good idea to add that to kubuntu-desktop... | 03:28 |
| uniq | kubuntu-desktop should bring it in. | 03:28 |
| hunger | uniq: It does not. | 03:28 |
| uniq | kwin and kdebase depends on it. | 03:28 |
| hunger | uniq: I did install kubuntu-desktop (it is at the newest version), but I was missing ksmserver. | 03:30 |
| uniq | you installed it from the official ubuntu repositories right? | 03:30 |
| uniq | 3.4.0? | 03:30 |
| hunger | uniq: Official breezy. | 03:30 |
| uniq | ok. breezy. i'll check. | 03:31 |
| hunger | uniq: Last updated about an hour ago. | 03:31 |
| uniq | well.. kdebase in breezy depends on ksmserver too.. | 03:32 |
| uniq | what if you try to apt-get install ksmserver? | 03:32 |
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| froud | hi, where can I download a colony 1 ISO for kubuntu? | 03:33 |
| uniq | froud: not available. | 03:34 |
| froud | :-( | 03:34 |
| hunger | uniq: Then a desktop file shows up in /usr/share/xsession. | 03:34 |
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| uniq | ah.. nice one.. you discovered a problem with kubuntu-desktop. | 03:36 |
| uniq | kwin only suggests ksmserver and kdebase is not a dependency at all. | 03:36 |
| hunger | uniq: Good:-) | 03:37 |
| hunger | uniq: I was already starting to doubt my sanity. | 03:37 |
| hunger | uniq: (k)ubuntu behaves *really* strange today. | 03:37 |
| uniq | heh.. i just installed kubuntu on a pc at work today.. and it was so easy. i was sure i did something wrong. | 03:38 |
| hunger | uniq: Well, my laptop is too new for ubuntu:-( | 03:39 |
| uniq | oh. | 03:39 |
| hunger | uniq: Need all kinds of stuff that is not in ubuntu or is too old there. | 03:39 |
| hunger | uniq: And I am refering to breezy here;-) | 03:39 |
| uniq | the work-laptop i installed on is a few years old. so everything was just working. that's nice :) | 03:39 |
| uniq | hunger: oh. pretty new laptop then ) | 03:40 |
| uniq | :) | 03:40 |
| hunger | uniq: Yep... T43p | 03:40 |
| hunger | A really nice machine... unfortunately so far only in windows. | 03:41 |
| uniq | that is a very nice machine. | 03:42 |
| hunger | uniq: tpm module doesen't work with breezy's (new) kernel, WLAN needs a newer wireless-tools, ubuntu insists on hdparm'ing the SATA drive and spams the screen failing, suspend and hibernate are broken, gnome does not start the first two times a user logs in, ... | 03:44 |
| hunger | No idea whether the modem will work, IRDA and bluetooth is untested, buttons do not work yet. | 03:45 |
| hunger | At least the thinklight works... so it was worth getting a thinkpad;-) | 03:46 |
| uniq | hehe :) | 03:46 |
| uniq | sounds like fun. | 03:47 |
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| uniq | sounds like fun. | 03:47 |
| uniq | riddell: updated kubuntu-desktop to add ksmserver. at http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/breezy/kubuntu-desktop - please upload to breezy. thanks :) | 03:59 |
| uniq | a nice bonus for people to be able to login to kde after installing kubuntu-desktop :) | 04:01 |
| hunger | uniq: Thanks for fixing this so fast! | 04:04 |
| uniq | hunger: no problem, just need riddel to upload it for me. i don't have upload access. | 04:06 |
| hunger | Hmmm.... why does the CDROM icon stay behind after I selected to have it ejected and have actually removed the CD from the drive? | 04:08 |
| uniq | in media:/ ? | 04:09 |
| hunger | No, on the desktop | 04:09 |
| hunger | Hmmm... | 04:09 |
| uniq | no idea. | 04:09 |
| hunger | looks like a problem here... kde just crashed. | 04:09 |
| uniq | oh. | 04:09 |
| hunger | And before that the gnome did behave *really* strange... so I think I have some issue here. | 04:10 |
| pef | I've build ubuntu package for datakiosk, I'v mentionned this here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuSuggestedPackages under "Suggested Packages that are being worked on", now where should I submit my package for review ? | 04:15 |
| uniq | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU | 04:15 |
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| uniq | i can also take a look at it if you want. | 04:16 |
| pef | it's uploading.. | 04:16 |
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| pef | uniq: if you have a few time to have a look : http://dl.erodia.net/kubuntu/datakiosk/ | 04:37 |
| pef | uniq: oups, forget, I've missed the build-depends | 05:02 |
| uniq | pef: tell me when you're ready, if i'm not here i'll read the awaylog and look at it when i get some time. | 05:26 |
| uniq | riddell: updated kubuntu-default-settings with kuserrc changing start uid and gid to 1000 instead of 500. to close #11854 | 05:31 |
| pef | uniq: I won't miss | 05:32 |
| allee | uniq: just a weird idea, not sure if it works. kconf allows to execute programs to get the value. so something like grep '^UID_MIN=' | awk ... | 05:36 |
| allee | s/works/is worth/ | 05:36 |
| uniq | why would you want that? | 05:37 |
| allee | He, min_uid is 20000 on some hosts here (local uid policy) | 05:38 |
| uniq | hmm.. well.. | 05:39 |
| uniq | users this is kubuntu-default-settings :) | 05:39 |
| uniq | -user | 05:39 |
| uniq | +s | 05:39 |
| allee | So if, for whatever reason someone changes local setting via login.defs kuser will pick it up automaticly. But I guess only a minority changes the value | 05:39 |
| allee | uniq: yes, it's default. But to change it one has to fix a hardcoded 1000 in at least 2 places. | 05:40 |
| uniq | i'm aware of that.. the feature would be nice, but don't know where we should place that script. | 05:40 |
| allee | uniq: directly in the conf file. I don't remember what value[$ ] is necessary to get embedded command executed | 05:42 |
| uniq | so we sould execute that each time kuser starts? | 05:42 |
| uniq | hmm.. | 05:42 |
| allee | uniq: nevertheless it's a patholigic example. Your example just reminded me that there is such a feature. maybe really handy at other places | 05:43 |
| uniq | yeah, totaly agree :) | 05:43 |
| uniq | +l | 05:44 |
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| froud | nightly update to http://lnix.net/~froud/ complete | 09:11 |
| uniq | great :) | 09:15 |
| froud | gotta keep notifying people. hoping we can get more people to contribute | 09:16 |
| uniq | yes, your work is great :) | 09:16 |
| uniq | http://lnix.net/~froud/kubuntu-install/C/ch05.html | 09:17 |
| uniq | really nice. | 09:17 |
| froud | all will change if there is a graphical installer. | 09:17 |
| froud | I wonder if somebody here could check what I did with the .desktop files for kubuntu docs | 09:18 |
| froud | I got it working on my system, but I am not sure I did it correctly | 09:18 |
| uniq | which file do i check? | 09:18 |
| froud | everything in https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/kde/khelpdesktop | 09:19 |
| froud | instruction in https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/kde/khelpdesktop/READ.INFO | 09:19 |
| uniq | reading. | 09:19 |
| uniq | and you're wondering what you did to make it work? | 09:22 |
| froud | no it works as a plugin, but I am not sure this is the correct way to do it :-) | 09:23 |
| uniq | or if it's the correct way to do it? | 09:23 |
| uniq | ah. ok. | 09:23 |
| uniq | i think it's the correct way.. but i'm no khelpcenter guru. | 09:25 |
| froud | he he, ok | 09:25 |
| uniq | should ask riddell or amu when they get back. | 09:26 |
| froud | now I need somebody to make a debian/ folder so we can test packaging | 09:26 |
| uniq | that i can do. | 09:27 |
| froud | OK | 09:27 |
| froud | basically | 09:27 |
| froud | there's a few steps | 09:27 |
| froud | 1. in kde/ do make kall | 09:28 |
| froud | 2. tarball all of build/kde | 09:28 |
| froud | + the the stuff in kdesktophelp | 09:28 |
| froud | install it in the locations described in READ.INFO | 09:28 |
| froud | there are no dependancies | 09:29 |
| froud | as you can see I have used kio-slave help for things like CSS and links to upstream KDE docs | 09:30 |
| uniq | when you say kde/, you're talking about https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/kde/ right? | 09:30 |
| froud | yes see Makefile | 09:30 |
| froud | Make kall build everything in build/kde/ | 09:30 |
| uniq | ok. got it. | 09:31 |
| froud | if I can get a package built I will upload it, nightly, to linx.net/~froud | 09:31 |
| froud | uniq: do we need to make a src package | 09:32 |
| uniq | there will be a source package automatically. | 09:32 |
| froud | kubuntu-doc and kubuntu-doc-src ?? | 09:32 |
| uniq | no need for that. | 09:33 |
| froud | OK leave it to you :-) | 09:33 |
| froud | thanks again for your help | 09:33 |
| uniq | thank YOU :) | 09:33 |
| uniq | for your help on kubuntu docs :) | 09:34 |
| froud | np | 09:34 |
| froud | has there been any decision between OOo and KOffice? | 09:41 |
| uniq | not that i know of. riddell and amu are busy with other stuff right now. and they are pretty much the kubuntu core. | 09:42 |
| froud | sure, just thought somebody may have had news | 09:43 |
| uniq | i'll tell you when i find out. | 09:43 |
| allee | froud: your desktop files use in DocPath complete URLs, while app desktop files use patch relativ to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/<lang>/ | 09:52 |
| froud | allee: what does kde use en or C | 09:53 |
| froud | allee: I have not seen a language example in plugins | 09:54 |
| allee | froud: /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML has on en no C so I guess it's en | 09:54 |
| allee | froud: but what <lang> is used is determined by controlcenters language settings | 09:55 |
| froud | yes | 09:55 |
| froud | I am not sure what I need to do about i18n | 09:55 |
| froud | at docteam our xml becomes pot and placed in Rosetta | 09:56 |
| froud | we get back po files and create lang specific xml | 09:56 |
| allee | froud: did you try install below /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/<lang>/kubuntu/? | 09:56 |
| froud | then we store each lang in its own folder | 09:56 |
| froud | I can | 09:56 |
| froud | its a small change | 09:56 |
| allee | that how khelpcenter docs are organized | 09:57 |
| froud | OK thanks | 09:57 |
| allee | KDE docs are also splitted in POT and later reasambled. Beast that does this is scipty afaik | 09:57 |
| froud | we use poxml from kdesdk | 09:58 |
| froud | and then have our own scripts | 09:58 |
| froud | I will also take a look at scripty | 09:59 |
| allee | mhmm there lots of Name[<lang>] =<empty> string. Is this correct? Shouldn't they be removed to the fallback Name= is used? | 09:59 |
| froud | where are you seeing that? | 10:00 |
| allee | No I have english desktop | 10:00 |
| froud | me too :-) | 10:00 |
| froud | we are not using the kde make files | 10:00 |
| froud | perhaps we should | 10:01 |
| froud | but then we also do not use the KDE DTD | 10:01 |
| froud | so the language stuff and transformations for all langs is done by us and then packaged | 10:02 |
| froud | each lang has its own doc pack, I think | 10:02 |
| allee | A Kubuntu DTD is fine here ;) Btw. is there a variant of the ubuntu brownish CSS stuff that is blueish? | 10:03 |
| froud | allee: we use the docbook dtd no custom layer | 10:03 |
| froud | CSS is from kde | 10:03 |
| froud | we get it from help://khelpcenter/common/ | 10:04 |
| froud | But I dont know how to add the blue top that you get in all other kde docs | 10:04 |
| allee | sorry fround I skipped form help:/ stuff to www.ubuntu.org CSS assuming you can read my mind :( | 10:04 |
| froud | It would be need if we could have Kubuntu branding in the header of Kubuntu Docs | 10:05 |
| allee | look at any KDE index.cache.bz2 to find out there customizations come from | 10:06 |
| froud | allee: CSS used is from KDE upstream. Trying to keep at least the formatting looking the same | 10:06 |
| froud | OK | 10:06 |
| allee | btw. before you get a wrong impression. content if far more important (congrats). Nice outfit is a goody IMHO | 10:07 |
| froud | sure, thanks. I was actually hoping one of the developers could help me figure out the outfit stuff. I am good with docbook but not much good with the outfit stuff | 10:08 |
| allee | froud: polishing is done before release ;) | 10:10 |
| froud | sure, thanks for the tip on those index.cache.bz2 files that has given me some direction. It's like figuring out a big jigsaw puzzle :-) | 10:11 |
| allee | lol. the puzzle is fast at least;) | 10:11 |
| froud | with your help, yes | 10:12 |
| allee | mhmm, when one uses a admin doc/Makefile.am doc/kubuntu/*.docbook as in all kde apps. You get the KDE outfit for free (assume the header of the kde docbook) | 10:19 |
| allee | looking at build log of kde apps: | 10:20 |
| allee | $ /usr/bin/meinproc --check --cache index.cache.bz2 /home/ach/kde/kipi/digikamimageplugins/0.7.3/digikamimageplugins-0.7.3/./doc/pt_BR_digikamimageplugins/index.docbook | 10:20 |
| froud | even when you dont use the kde.dtd? | 10:21 |
| allee | froud: no idea. Btw. what would be the problem to use kde.dtd. AFAIU it's a docbook extention (or whatever the right SGML name is for it) | 10:22 |
| froud | some docs are profiled and therefore shared for gnome | 10:22 |
| froud | like the install guide | 10:23 |
| froud | also using KDE DTD reduces possabilities | 10:23 |
| froud | for example print output | 10:23 |
| froud | xml > xsl;fo > pdf | 10:23 |
| allee | hmm, would it be hard to replace browish with blueish? in the ubuntu.dtd | 10:23 |
| froud | we dont have an ubuntu.dtd only the docbook.dtd | 10:24 |
| froud | do you see brown now? | 10:24 |
| froud | u using a gnome desktop? | 10:24 |
| froud | the css file used in help://common/kde-default.css | 10:25 |
| allee | froud: X again broken on breezy here. So all I see right now is stuff on the web :( | 10:25 |
| froud | Ah | 10:25 |
| froud | if you r using konqueror or khelpcenter it will use the css above | 10:25 |
| froud | the cross refernces between Kubuntu docs to KDE docs also use the help:/ io-slave | 10:26 |
| froud | so we can do help://foo-app | 10:27 |
| froud | help:/foo-app | 10:27 |
| froud | At this time I will ship only HTML | 10:27 |
| allee | I promise to fix X once again and try (hopefully uniq has some debs then ;) | 10:27 |
| froud | mainly because of publishing features | 10:28 |
| froud | KDE allows this | 10:28 |
| froud | but in GNOME they only want to ship XML | 10:28 |
| allee | can konqy display XML already? | 10:29 |
| froud | no | 10:30 |
| allee | :( | 10:30 |
| froud | I dont think it should | 10:30 |
| froud | xml is not made for presentation | 10:30 |
| froud | its faster to load xml | 10:30 |
| froud | its faster to load html | 10:31 |
| froud | sorry | 10:31 |
| froud | but it seems that in kde the html is compiled into bz2 | 10:31 |
| allee | I know that docbook is slower (that's the reason why index.cache.bz is there;) how does gnome help display the XML stuff? | 10:31 |
| allee | I assume otherwise kde docs get too big | 10:32 |
| froud | yelp does on the fly transformation | 10:32 |
| allee | without bz2 | 10:32 |
| froud | yes | 10:32 |
| froud | bz2 makes sense | 10:32 |
| uniq | froud: fyi yelp can't read .xhtml.gz. i asked shaunm. | 10:32 |
| allee | khelpcenter does on the fly of *.docbook too but it's slow due to docbook -> html conversion | 10:32 |
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| froud | but not using the nwalsh xsl if you dont have equivalent xsl is not an option IMHO | 10:33 |
| froud | uniq: Hmm, I thought it did. thanks for the update | 10:33 |
| froud | allee yes | 10:33 |
| froud | meinproc | 10:33 |
| allee | bbl | 10:33 |
| uniq | froud: reads gziped info and manpages.. but not xhtml | 10:33 |
| froud | he he | 10:34 |
| uniq | he said it's easy to implement though. | 10:34 |
| froud | OK | 10:34 |
| froud | uniq: for now I just want to ship the html. Perhaps we can use bz2 to make it smaller | 10:35 |
| froud | allee I have not used the .docbook extension | 10:35 |
| uniq | froud: we can think about that later. first make the docs, then make the package, and then optimize later :) | 10:35 |
| froud | cool | 10:36 |
| uniq | /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/html/docbook.xsl | 10:46 |
| uniq | can i have a copy of that file please? | 10:46 |
| froud | sudo apt-get docbook-xsl | 10:46 |
| froud | uniq: do you have a full checkout of https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk | 10:47 |
| uniq | no, and i don't want that either :) | 10:48 |
| uniq | i just want kde-stuff for this package. | 10:48 |
| froud | Hmm if you want to build you will need it | 10:48 |
| froud | we have shared external entities | 10:48 |
| uniq | no, i need libs/ common/ and this file.. | 10:48 |
| froud | sure that will work too :-) | 10:48 |
| uniq | i include what i need file by file :) | 10:48 |
| uniq | to make a clean package. | 10:48 |
| froud | OK but you dont need to package those for HTML | 10:49 |
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| pef | hi | 10:49 |
| uniq | froud: i just do 'make kall'. | 10:50 |
| froud | OK | 10:50 |
| uniq | and make kall asks for this file. | 10:51 |
| froud | yes it is part of docbook-xsl so you can do sudo apt-get install docbook-xsl | 10:52 |
| froud | its not a single file, but a whole package | 10:52 |
| uniq | ok. great. | 10:52 |
| uniq | thanks. | 10:53 |
| froud | no thanks to you | 10:53 |
| uniq | (i should have thought of that myself, didn't boother searching packages.ubuntu.com) | 10:53 |
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| froud | nite all | 11:16 |
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| Riddell | uniq: around? | 11:43 |
| uniq | riddell: yes | 11:43 |
| uniq | nice to se you around :) | 11:43 |
| Riddell | uniq: amd64 kde 3.4.1 on kubuntu.org now, could you test | 11:43 |
| Riddell | yes sorry, been moving house | 11:44 |
| uniq | ah ok, no problem. | 11:44 |
| uniq | i closed some bugs in kubuntu-desktop and kubutu-default-settings too. | 11:45 |
| uniq | and i have a kio-apt test-package ready. | 11:45 |
| uniq | i can download and test the packages, yes. | 11:45 |
| Riddell | uniq: koffice too | 11:55 |
| uniq | ok. will restart dist-upgrade. | 11:57 |
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