[12:02] <hussam> mrmanic: gets them to fix bugs faster as well
[12:02] <uniq> nmorse: he's not here right now, god. :)
[12:02] <mrmanic> heh
[12:03] <nmorse> Does anyone know why lineakd isn't included in Kubuntu by default anyway?
[12:04] <uniq> most people don't need it.
[12:04] <uniq> you can setup most keyboards in the control center.
[12:04] <nmorse> Not my Microsoft Media Keyboard, unfortunately
[12:04] <nmorse> Microsoft's Hardware Division is the best part of the company
[12:04] <nmorse> Except the Mac division maybe
[12:04] <mrmanic> iaw nmorse 
[12:04] <mrmanic> microsoft makes pretty nice hardware, IMO
[12:05] <hussam> how do I queue downlaods in wget?
[12:05] <nmorse> And why is lineakd in universe, but not klineakconfig?
[12:05] <nmorse> lineakd is a pain to configure by hand, but klineakconfig makes life way better
[12:06] <uniq> nmorse: doesn't it work if you select one of the other microsoft keyboard models? 
[12:06] <nmorse> Nope
[12:06] <nmorse> Some of the keys won't even work being mapped by hand
[12:06] <nmorse> Pain in the dadgum rear
[12:06] <nmorse> But a great keyboard
[12:07] <nmorse> Hmm, the compile error is that it can't find qlist.h
[12:08] <uniq> install libqt3-compat-headers
[12:09] <nmorse> thanks
[12:17] <Borg^Queen> Hi people. I noticed that kde 3.4.1 is available for kubuntu. I was wondering it if could be used for Debian Sarge as well?
[12:19] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: interesting question
[12:19] <Borg^Queen> o_0
[12:19] <Borg^Queen> Does that translate to = You're the new gueina-pig
[12:20] <Tm_T> no
[12:20] <hussam> Borg^Queen: I doubt it because kdebase 3.4.1 on kubuntu depends on python2.4 and debian is still on python 2.3, right?
[12:20] <Borg^Queen> let me check
[12:20] <Tm_T> Borg^Queen: wanna try most recent KDE?
[12:20] <Borg^Queen> Which is?
[12:21] <nmorse> well, the new release of lineakd fixed the bug that has nagged me for too long
[12:21] <Tm_T> trunk SVN & comlie it yourself
[12:21] <nmorse> All three File Management Keys (My Docs, Pictures, Music) give one key id
[12:21] <Tm_T> pile
[12:21] <nmorse> My Documents is now the only button treated as real by lineakd and works flawlessy
[12:26] <Borg^Queen> Nope it wouldn't work.
[12:26] <Borg^Queen> Its compiled against xorg right
[12:26] <Borg^Queen> Sarge uses Xfree
[12:28] <hussam> Borg^Queen: when exactly will debian switch to xorg?
[12:28] <Borg^Queen> Next release no doubt
[12:29] <Borg^Queen> In other words, in 3 years unless it does a major update sometimes before (which is very possible)
[12:30] <nmorse> I seriously doubt Debian will take 3 years for another release
[12:30] <Borg^Queen> From your kb to God's computer
[12:30] <nmorse> I bet they'll try to release in a year and half
[12:31] <nmorse> Though switching to Xorg will require an Xorg SPARC and ARM release
[12:31] <nmorse> If I'm correct, Xorg is only on x86 and PPC right now (I may not be correct)
[12:31] <hussam> nmorse: indeed, there a too many advnaces in the linux world happening for debian to wait another 3 years.
[12:31] <Borg^Queen> true
[12:32] <Borg^Queen> at the rate of evolution, yearly releases and/or major upgrades will be needed.
[12:32] <Borg^Queen> Recent reports put gnu-linux in advance of M$ by 2.5 years
[12:32] <nmorse> I'd really like yearly debian releases though a year and a half isn't that long
[12:32] <Borg^Queen> 1 year ahead of OS X
[12:33] <nmorse> Doubt it will be in anything but technical features
[12:33] <Borg^Queen> Better than eye candy and fluf updates
[12:33] <nmorse> Eye Candy can actually be useful
[12:33] <Borg^Queen> If the app is useful yes.
[12:33] <nmorse> Try evince(?) on e17
[12:33] <Borg^Queen> evince?
[12:33] <Borg^Queen> What is that
[12:34] <nmorse> Photo management becomes easier when the app itself is transparent
[12:34] <nmorse> I think that's the name of the photo app on e17
[12:34] <Tm_T> eye candy? who needs eye candy when we have irssi! ;--P
[12:34] <Borg^Queen> I use digikam, works great
[12:34] <nmorse> I'm actually using irssi right now
[12:34] <Borg^Queen> eye candy? We don't need no stinking eye candy
[12:35] <Tm_T> nmorse: I wonder why... ;p
[12:35] <nmorse> I'm using it because I didn't want to play with Konversation today
[12:35] <Borg^Queen> lol
[12:35] <HiFi_dk> hi... how can i set my GTK fonts in kubuntu
[12:35] <nmorse> I think I was actually talking about evas
[12:35] <Borg^Queen> Do you have gtk-qt-engine installed?
[12:36] <HiFi_dk> nope, will try that
[12:36] <nmorse> I think it's funny that the GNOME guys don't have the reverse of that yet
[12:36] <nmorse> Then again, QT apps must look darned pretty compared to most GNOME apps
[12:37] <nmorse> XFCE4 is the only GTK2 environment with eye candy really
[12:37] <Borg^Queen> I life KDE but I never knock gnome
[12:37] <nmorse> I only knock it on ugliness
[12:37] <Tm_T> KDE <3
[12:37] <Borg^Queen> xfce4, really
[12:38] <HiFi_dk> Borg^Queen: what should that package be called ?
[12:38] <Borg^Queen> pardon?
[12:38] <nmorse> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt I think
[12:38] <Borg^Queen> Aye, something like that
[12:38] <Borg^Queen> one sec
[12:39] <Borg^Queen> Aye, that's what is says
[12:39] <nmorse> then he'll want switch2 so he can change the theme from any WM
[12:39] <nmorse> gtk-theme-switch is the package for that
[12:39] <HiFi_dk> Borg^Queen: hmm, can't find that with apt-cache ..?
[12:39] <nmorse> Is universe enabled?
[12:40] <Borg^Queen> `search under gtk-
[12:40] <Borg^Queen> swtich2 has a lot of bugs
[12:40] <HiFi_dk> nmorse: would like the switch yes, but it doesn't seem to be in apt ...?
[12:40] <Borg^Queen> compile them yourself
[12:40] <nmorse> Yeah you have to enable the universe repository
[12:40] <nmorse> No compiling necessary
[12:41] <nmorse> Are you using synaptic or apt via the command line?
[12:41] <HiFi_dk> Borg^Queen: there are a lot of the other gtk engines, maybe i'm missing something in sources.list ?
[12:41] <nmorse> Yeah, in sources.list
[12:41] <HiFi_dk> nmorse: trying to use apt
[12:41] <Borg^Queen> I'm on a RH9 machine now, backing stuff up. Sorry
[12:41] <nmorse> Append universe to the end of the lines you need
[12:42] <Borg^Queen> If you have synaptic, use it to make a search
[12:42] <HiFi_dk> nmorse: could you paste the line(s) i need ?
[12:42] <nmorse> Hang on
[12:42] <Borg^Queen> do a search rather
[12:42] <nmorse> I'll paste in #flood
[12:42] <HiFi_dk> Borg^Queen: have the ksynaptic... but seems strange, no tree-update function ?
[12:42] <Borg^Queen> ksynaptic isn't very good
[12:42] <Borg^Queen> Use synaptic to do the search
[12:43] <Borg^Queen> I have to say this is a nice community
[12:43] <Tm_T> use apt-cache to do the search
[12:43] <nmorse> It really is a lot of the time
[12:43] <Borg^Queen> If only kubuntu has a root account like Debian.
[12:43] <Borg^Queen> I find too many things are missing
[12:43] <nmorse> sudo passwd root
[12:43] <Borg^Queen> Aye I know but it doesn't always work
[12:43] <nmorse> What?
[12:44] <Borg^Queen> It is, however, a wonderful piece of work
[12:44] <HiFi_dk> nmorse: are you pasting ?
[12:44] <Borg^Queen> I can't get the sudo thing to work all the time
[12:44] <Borg^Queen> Maybe I'm doing it wrong or messing something up.
[12:44] <nmorse> HiFi_dk: hang on, just do this: the top two lines starting with 'deb' just need to have the word universe attached to them
[12:44] <nmorse> And maybe the hoary-updates line
[12:45] <nmorse> Though if you want a sources.list file that includes Java and the Kubuntu updates I'd be happy to paste mine in #flood
[12:45] <HiFi_dk> nmorse: think I got it, just needed to uncomment the lines... well well :)
[12:46] <HiFi_dk> would like that
[12:46] <nmorse> ok
[12:48] <nmorse> There you go
[12:48] <nmorse> Save that as a sources.list file in your home directory
[12:48] <nmorse> Then do the following command to it
[12:48] <nmorse> Oh hang on, got to remember how to use sed
[12:48] <nmorse> sed /s/18:34 < nmorse>// -i ~/sources.list 
[12:49] <nmorse> Correct me if I'm wrong on that command someone
[12:49] <HiFi_dk> nmorse: thx... and gtk2-engines-gtk-qt works like a charm :)
[12:50] <nmorse> Oh yeah, I love that thing
[12:50] <Borg^Queen> nice isn't it
[12:50] <HiFi_dk> have to sleep, bye.. and thx
[12:50] <nmorse> Now if only the GTK2 file selector would use GTK-QT
[12:51] <nmorse> I can't stand the hideous icons that make up that thing
[12:51] <nmorse> And the dadgum lack of ability to just input a location
[12:51] <nmorse> Firefox crashes opening /usr/bin/ so I can't tell it to use Azureus
[12:52] <muntyan_> hi guys. does someone know what script starts X if i use kdm?
[12:52] <Tm_T> startx?
[12:52] <nmorse> or maybe xinit
[12:52] <Tm_T> yeah
[12:53] <Tm_T> perse
[12:53] <muntyan_> hm, then what script starts xinit?
[12:53] <muntyan_> i need to find a place to pass dpi setting to X
[12:53] <Tm_T> in what case?
[12:53] <muntyan_> in case when i'm using kdm
[12:53] <Tm_T> aaah, xinit -dpi 100
[12:54] <Tm_T> muntyan_: or set you screen size in xorg.conf
[12:54] <Borg^Queen> muntyan_: one sec
[12:54] <Tm_T> your
[12:54] <muntyan_> but who starts xinit? i don't do it, it's some script deep in /etc/
[12:54] <Tm_T> start -dpi it was
[12:54] <Tm_T> aslfjkbnawr
[12:54] <Tm_T> I need more caffeine
[12:54] <Borg^Queen> chocolate
[12:55] <Tm_T> na, just ate
[12:55] <Tm_T> nah +one
[12:55] <Borg^Queen> `There's always room for chocolate
[12:55] <Tm_T> no more chocolate
[12:55] <Tm_T> I need coffee!
[12:56] <Tm_T> damn my fingwers
[12:56] <Borg^Queen> lol
[12:56] <Tm_T> pain
[12:57] <muntyan_> so any idea where arguments for X can be specified?
[12:58] <Tm_T> muntyan_: xorg.conf
[12:58] <muntyan_> thanks a lot
[12:58] <Tm_T> :p
[12:58] <Tm_T> atleast I did it there
[12:59] <Borg^Queen> Thanks people. BBL
[01:33] <uniq> nite.
[01:35] <ychahibi> Hi everyone ! I am new to freenode, so I'd like to know how can I talk about Kubuntu, my problems, wishes, ideas, tests, tips ...
[01:38] <uniq> hi ychahibi. this is the place. here and the wiki. take a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu
[01:38] <uniq> we also have mailinglists. http://lists.ubuntu.com
[01:38] <ychahibi> Ok thanks ;)
[01:39] <uniq> ychahibi: no problem, i'm on my way to bed.. good night and enjoy #kubuntu and freenode :)
[01:40] <ychahibi> :) Sweet dreams
[01:42] <dafes> hello
[01:43] <dafes> need assist with flash install on Konqueror
[01:45] <Mez> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-mozilla
[01:45] <dafes> I get this : Couldn't find package flashplugin-mozilla
[01:46] <ychahibi> use kynaptic instead
[01:46] <dafes> its not listed there
[01:46] <ychahibi> do ctrl+f and search flash
[01:46] <ychahibi> excuse me
[01:46] <ychahibi> add repositories
[01:46] <dafes> yup its not listed
[01:46] <ychahibi> see KUDOS
[01:46] <ychahibi> http://kudos.berlios.de/ 
[01:47] <dafes> is it because my installation does not have firefox installed?
[01:48] <ychahibi> No
[01:48] <ychahibi> but maybe it depends on mozilla
[01:48] <ychahibi> because the package is installed in mozilla dir / plugins
[01:49] <dafes> ok
[01:49] <ychahibi> but apt-get should automatically look up for missing dependencies
[01:49] <Mez> sorry
[01:49] <dafes> mine does not 
[01:49] <Mez> it's sudo apt-get instlal flashplayer-mozilla
[01:49] <ychahibi> Do you want me to send you my sources.list file ?
[01:49] <Mez> It's in multiverse so you need that in your repository
[01:49] <dafes> ok
[01:49] <dafes> thanks
[01:50] <ychahibi> ok
[01:51] <ychahibi> now copy it to /etc/apt
[01:51] <ychahibi> sudo cp sources.list  /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:52] <ychahibi> after that: sudo apt-get update
[01:52] <dafes> ok
[01:52] <ychahibi> and then : sudo apt-get install flashplugin-mozilla
[01:53] <ychahibi> after that go to Konqueror and configure plugins > add /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins to the directories
[01:58] <Ghetek> is there a gui for "jack"?
[02:00] <godsmoke> Ghetek: I really doubt it -- what would you need it for?
[02:00] <godsmoke> it's a daemon, and a client
[02:00] <Ghetek> i just feel a bit overwhelmed by all the params
[02:00] <chromate> has anybody noticed that the torrents are not working?
[02:01] <godsmoke> Ghetek: well, I don't know of any -- and I think nobody is going to make one -- it's a one-time setup for the most part
[02:01] <godsmoke> chromate: is the tracker down, or what?
[02:01] <Ghetek> i just hate man pages
[02:01] <Ghetek> i will print it all out
[02:01] <chromate> godsmoke: it says problem connecting to tracker, so i suppose so
[02:01] <Ghetek> i like hard copies
[02:01] <godsmoke> there's documentation online, Ghetek 
[02:01] <godsmoke> howtos and all
[02:02] <Ghetek> i will google it then
[02:02] <Ghetek> thanks
[02:02] <godsmoke> save ya the trouble: http://www.djcj.org/LAU/jack/
[02:02] <godsmoke> list of docs: http://jackit.sourceforge.net/docs/
[02:02] <Ghetek> thanks!
[02:04] <Ghetek> how long should a cedega cvs compile take?
[02:07] <ychahibi> Is there any Kubuntu news website ? Something like KDE's This month in SVN ?
[02:08] <Tm_T> uhm
[02:08] <Tm_T> there's ubuntu news
[02:09] <KaiL_> Tm_T: something evcept the announcements? where?
[02:10] <Tm_T> uh oh
[02:10] <Tm_T> "news"
[02:10] <Tm_T> planet ubuntu :p
[02:10] <KaiL_> ah :)
[02:10] <Tm_T> define news
[02:11] <ychahibi> Ok ..
[02:13] <Tm_T> btw it's bugday tomorrow ;p
[02:13] <Tm_T> today
[02:13] <Tm_T> whatever
[02:13] <KaiL_> now :)
[02:16] <ychahibi> Does the gtk-qt-engine change gtk1 themes ?
[02:20] <ychahibi> Does the gtk-qt-engine change gtk1 themes ?
[02:27] <Tm_T> sad, so sad
[02:32] <ychahibi> Is there any way to make a kubuntu cd from my personal debs and configuration ??
[02:33] <ychahibi> ( Not a live CD )
[02:33] <nmorse> sure, ychahibi 
[02:34] <nmorse> Basically, just set up a task for tasksel with all of your personal debs on a list
[02:34] <nmorse> Then make the installer run tasksel and select your task
[02:34] <nmorse> Easy enough
[02:34] <nmorse> Can even do net install for updated packages
[02:36] <ychahibi> Cool ! 
[02:59] <lexhider> kdebase compile fails, kbookmarknotifier, no rule to make target. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
[06:04] (Borg^Queen/#Kubuntu) Ah
[06:05] <Borg^Queen> I've used both ext3 and reiser, had problems with ext3 but it could have also been because of a failing drive system
[06:05] <Borg^Queen> I'm using reiser on my debian sarge test system
[06:11] <leo> how can i remove this extra info that appears everytime i point the mouse over any icon in the KDE taskbar?
[06:11] <Borg^Queen> `right click on the taskbar, configure panel
[06:11] <Borg^Queen> or open kcontrol, and rumage through there,
[06:14] <leo> and to change the KDE start icon in the taskbar?
[06:15] <Borg^Queen> Ah, the icon that appears depends on the icon theme you're using.
[06:15] <leo> duh!... so i must replace the KDE icon i want in the theme's folder
[06:16] <Borg^Queen> Yes.
[06:16] <Borg^Queen> leo: you're going to do well with Linux
[06:16] <leo> i guess so...its more fun
[06:16] <leo> :P
[06:18] <leo> theres something weird...all the applications from gnome look horrible under KDE...its lik ethe fonts are huge and the color do not match
[06:18] <Borg^Queen> ah, ok
[06:18] <Borg^Queen> get gtk-qt-engine and your gnome apps will use the kde themes (pretty much)
[06:20] <leo> ok, thanks :)
[06:22] <leo> where are you from Borg^QUeen?
[06:22] <Borg^Queen> Nu Joisey
[06:32] <Ayreon> Hi, i've downloaded Kubuntu and i'm wondering, do I put it on CD and load it up in dos?... u kno out of windows, im switching to linux for the first time
[06:32] <Ayreon> help appreciated
[06:33] <Borg^Queen> Ayreon: you burn the iso to cd with a cd burner app like easy cd creator
[06:33] <Borg^Queen> You did download an iso yes?
[06:33] <Ayreon> yes
[06:33] <Borg^Queen> good human
[06:33] <Ayreon> :P
[06:33] <Borg^Queen> do you have a cd burner app?
[06:33] <Ayreon> ok
[06:33] <Ayreon> yes
[06:33] <Ayreon> "RecordNow!" under data
[06:33] <Borg^Queen> That might do it
[06:34] <Borg^Queen> it should have a option to burn from an image or iso
[06:34] <Borg^Queen> an iso is an image btw
[06:34] <Ayreon> ok
[06:36] <Borg^Queen> after you install linux you burn offer up your old M$ software to the Gnu Gods by burning then in a bon fire out on the lawn
[06:37] <Ayreon> lol, thanks for the tip
[06:37] <Borg^Queen> No no, its not a tip, YOU HAVE TO BURN THEM!
[06:37] <Ayreon> :o
[06:37] <Borg^Queen> Other wise the Gnu Gods will be angry with you
[06:37] <Ayreon> Oh I dont want them to be angry with me :S
[06:38] <Borg^Queen> You'll wake up to find your computer running Win95 alpha
[06:38] <Ayreon> ahh
[06:38] <jbroome> but I don't have an Alpha
[06:38] <jbroome> :P
[06:39] <jbroome> yoinkes
[06:39] <Ayreon> Ok when its on CD, what then
[06:39] <Borg^Queen> Put it into your cdrom and reboot
[06:39] <Ayreon> ah ok
[06:39] <Borg^Queen> Your computer should boot to the cd
[06:39] <Borg^Queen> Did you back up your data?
[06:39] <Ayreon> if not i set it to?
[06:39] <Ayreon> not yet :O
[06:40] <Borg^Queen> NOT YET?
[06:40] <Borg^Queen> Kill him
[06:40] <Ayreon> >_<
[06:40] <Ayreon> Oh plz forgive me =P
[06:40] <Borg^Queen> Its the first cybercommandment
[06:40] <Borg^Queen> "Thou Shalt Backup Thy Hard Drives Weekly"
[06:41] <sproingie> buh.  who the hell has space to back up a whole HD these days?
[06:41] <Borg^Queen> "Thou Shalt Place Thy Data Onto Removable Media"
[06:41] <sproingie> not like any linux distro comes preconfigured with a backup schedule either
[06:41] <Borg^Queen> "Thou Shalt Place The Removable Media In A Safe And Easily Accessible Place"
[06:41] <sproingie> i'd say both all OS's are doing a pretty poor job of getting people used to backing up their data
[06:42] <Borg^Queen> sproingie: I do
[06:43] <Borg^Queen> Don't listen to sproingie! He's a heritic!
[06:43] <Borg^Queen> I cast thee down!
[06:43] <Borg^Queen> Can you tell I'm a "NixVangelist"?
[06:44] <sproingie> there should be a wizard that starts when you first install, that guides you through creating a schedule to back up /home and /etc
[06:44] <Borg^Queen> I agree
[06:44] <sproingie> asks you what kind of data you're using, how often you want to do it, etc
[06:44] <Borg^Queen> but I just use krusader to compress and test and k3b to burn do dvdr
[06:45] <sproingie> for example, i'm fine with rotating through about 5 dvd/rw's for that data
[06:45] <Borg^Queen> Oh wait there is a tool like that
[06:45] <Borg^Queen> It's called Konserve
[06:45] <sproingie> it should start with a new install
[06:45] <Borg^Queen> Installs are hard enough on newbies
[06:45] <sproingie> so is data loss
[06:45] <sproingie> there should be a "things to do with your new install" folder then
[06:46] <sproingie> as you run each one, have it go away
[06:46] <sproingie> NT server has something like this, basically a checklist for setting up AD and such
[06:46] <Borg^Queen> hmm
[06:47] <sproingie> i mean, what does a new install do now when you start up a browser?  sends you to a more or less static page that congratulates you for installing, points to the community, and now you're all done
[06:47] <sproingie> and you're probably not.  there's always postinstall tasks
[06:48] <Borg^Queen> You have many good points
[06:48] <Borg^Queen> ok
[06:49] <sproingie> the wizard is a little spartan.  asking me for a source URL to back up
[06:50] <sproingie> i suppose each user could have a separate backup schedule, but that's pretty awful
[06:50] <Borg^Queen> It's a start
[06:50] <sproingie> indeed
[06:51] <sproingie> ideally, it'd be a control panel item
[06:52] <Borg^Queen> Can you code? If so, maybe its something you can do
[06:52] <sproingie> er jeez, konserve is just a file to file backup
[06:52] <Borg^Queen> Doesn't it compress? Have you checked out the options?
[06:52] <sproingie> sure, but i'm talking about something that can handle backup volume labels and catalogs and stuff
[06:53] <sproingie> so when time comes to back up, it gives you an alert that says "insert CD labeled `backup 3' and click ok"
[06:53] <sproingie> and when you want to restore a file, you can browse the indexes of the backup volumes
[06:53] <Borg^Queen> Create one
[06:53] <sproingie> yeah, sounds like a fun little project
[06:54] <sproingie> i don't even have to deal with the backup mechanics themselves i imagine
[06:54] <Borg^Queen> let me know when you get it done. I'll test it on all the machines here
[06:54] <sproingie> it's just a UI thing for the most part
[06:55] <sproingie> basically just need a simple wizard for creating backup profiles on an industrial strength backup app
[06:56] <sproingie> and a simple alerter interface to prompt the user to insert the media when backup is ready
[06:58] <Ayreon> By backing up files, do you mean manually put stuff on cds/dvds? or do you mean theres a program or something that does it.  jw.  Because im on XP right now
[06:58] <Borg^Queen> I have always prefered to do it all manually. There's nothing like a human brain to do it.
[06:58] <Ayreon> ok
[07:01] <Ayreon> Is there an option that will allow me to have two OS's? like keep XP and have the option to go on either one.  Just in case my transition doesnt go well at first
[07:01] <sproingie> my brain is fine at some things ... remembering regular tasks ain't one
[07:02] <sproingie> Ayreon: yes, you can dual-boot.  probably most of us do
[07:02] <sproingie> i'm not sure that the ubuntu installer can resize the partitions tho.  i used qt_parted off the system rescue cd to do it
[07:04] <aseigo> Borg^Queen: woah.. you're here!
[07:04] <Ayreon> Ok, so when it boots up theres something that says Duel-boot?
[07:04] <aseigo> Borg^Queen: have you moved to kubuntu?
[07:05] <sproingie> Ayreon: when you install, you install grub (the GRand Unified Bootloader), which gives you a menu that allows you to boot linux or windows
[07:05] <sproingie> thing is, you need to install linux on a partition that XP isn't on, and i think you need a partition resizer for that first
[07:06] <sproingie> i don't know if ubuntu's installer can resize the partitions.  i usually use the expert install, which is pretty different than the usual one
[07:07] <leo> how can i make an application like "karamba" to load at startup and remember my settings?
[07:08] <aseigo> leo: any apps that you leave running when you log out should start themselves
[07:08] <Ayreon> ok thank you for the help, greatly appreciated.  I'll return shortly, i'm going to check this cd
[07:08] <aseigo> leo: if an app doesn't, you can add it to your autostart folder (in konqueror, open the Go menu, select Autostart, then right click and select New -> Link to Application
[07:09] <leo> thanks a lot aseigo :)
[07:09] <aseigo> np
[07:09] <Borg^Queen> aseigo: No, I'm on Debian Sarge but I use kubuntu for kid computers
[07:10] <transgress> hahaha
[07:10] <transgress> sorry that was a funny statement
[07:10] <aseigo> Borg^Queen: kid computers? heh.. so .. you STILL don't have a recent KDE?
[07:10] <aseigo> Borg^Queen: and here i was hoping that you'd be able to have all the latest 'n greatest kde shite
[07:10] <Borg^Queen> KDE 3.4 jack
[07:10] <aseigo> sweet. so you are in the modern age =)
[07:10] <aseigo> 3.4.1 or 3.4.0?
[07:11] <Borg^Queen> 3.4.0, they don't have 3.4.1 for deb yet
[07:11] <Borg^Queen> I don't want to compile it myself.
[07:11] <Borg^Queen> too lazy too tired
[07:12] <Borg^Queen> So I read on kde-apps that people have changed your sex
[07:12] <aseigo> haha. oh?
[07:12] <Borg^Queen> Aye,  a few times you were refered to as she
[07:12] <aseigo> nice. that's pretty sweet.
[07:13] <aseigo> see, at the heart of it all everyone wants me at some level ;-P
[07:13] <Borg^Queen> You can't wear any of my dresses
[07:13] <aseigo> who says i need any of yours? ;)
[07:13] <Borg^Queen> Only for  your mind
[07:13] <Borg^Queen> I have nice dresses.
[07:13] <Borg^Queen> Some sexy some sweet an innocent (if I had the plasma rifle)
[07:14] <Borg^Queen> hide rather
[07:15] <aseigo> some occassions call for the former, some the latter
[07:15] <Borg^Queen> Have you guys read the lastest on LongHorn or rather shorthorn as its being called now
[07:15] <Borg^Queen> in this heat? No dresses
[07:15] <Borg^Queen> short and a tank top
[07:16] <Borg^Queen> let someone else wear them. Too hot.
[07:16] <Borg^Queen> Eeeewww
[07:16] <transgress> lol
[07:16] <Borg^Queen> My Mind! My Mind!
[07:16] <Ayreon> Back
[07:16] <Borg^Queen> Front
[07:16] <transgress> not really... it's hard to make a tam go w/ nude
[07:17] <Borg^Queen> ?
[07:17] <Borg^Queen> tam
[07:17] <Ayreon> It didn't work
[07:17] <transgress> http://irclikelife.com/oldsite/pics/100_0104.JPG  <-- that's me in a tam
[07:17] <transgress> a dread hat
[07:17] <aseigo> Borg^Queen: if the dresses are too hot, then you're wearing the wrongs ones ;)
[07:18] <Borg^Queen> Not the dresses, stocking and such
[07:18] <Borg^Queen> Ayreon: it didn't boot to disc? Did you get your computer to boot to disc?
[07:18] <Ayreon> yes
[07:18] <Ayreon> It didnt read it, I must of done it wrong
[07:18] <Borg^Queen> Nice eyes, two of them even
[07:19] <Borg^Queen> Can you right click on the iso and see if there's a menu option to burn it to disc?
[07:19] <aseigo> Borg^Queen: ah, screw the stockings
[07:19] <Borg^Queen> ouch
[07:20] <aseigo> not literally. yeesh =P
[07:20] <Borg^Queen> That's what I hate about winders, its always burning coasters
[07:20] <Borg^Queen> aseigo: with you, one never knows....
[07:20] <Ayreon> hm maybe its winrar thats messing the iso up? cause it all opens in winrar to view the stuff
[07:20] <Borg^Queen> eeeek
[07:20] <Ayreon> o.o
[07:20] <Borg^Queen> winrar is dangerous
[07:21] <Borg^Queen> It often opens up viruses
[07:21] <Ayreon> ok im getting rid of it
[07:21] <Borg^Queen> rar is the currently delivery format for M$ viruses
[07:21] <Borg^Queen> transgress: is old
[07:21] <Borg^Queen> yeah, win95, word 95
[07:22] <Ayreon> Ok, now its reading it normally.  Strict iso
[07:22] <Borg^Queen> `ah HA!
[07:22] <Borg^Queen> bad human
[07:24] <Ayreon> ok re-copying
[07:24] <transgress> me old?
[07:24] <transgress> ha
[07:24] <Borg^Queen> embryo?
[07:25] <aseigo> Borg^Queen: thanks for the vote of confidence =P
[07:25] <Borg^Queen> Pardon?
[07:25] <Borg^Queen> ah ok
[07:30] <Borg^Queen> I'm bouncing servers Ayreon 
[07:30] <Ayreon> Oh ok
[07:30] <Borg^Queen> try now
[07:31] <Ayreon> hm, try what
[07:31] <Borg^Queen> the ping
[07:31] <Ayreon> oh i never knew others notice :\
[07:32] <Borg^Queen> We see all
[07:32] <Ayreon> im new to irc
[07:32] <Borg^Queen> For example I know the truth about aseigo 
[07:33] <Borg^Queen> aseigo: is a small Canadian Goose pretending to be human in an attempt to gather information prior to the revolution.
[07:33] <Ayreon> wow
[07:33] <Borg^Queen> I know
[07:34] <Borg^Queen> `He types with his bill
[07:34] <Ayreon> revolution?
[07:34] <Ayreon> oh
[07:34] <Borg^Queen> I can't say anymore
[07:34] <Ayreon> hmm
[07:34] <Borg^Queen> Of course the have to rescue Terrence and Phillip first
[07:35] <aseigo> Borg^Queen: hey. stop giving away all my secrets.
[07:35] <Borg^Queen> Sorry
[07:35] <Borg^Queen> ahemm I was lying everyone
[07:36] <aseigo> damn straight.
[07:38] <Borg^Queen> Well not completely straight
[07:39] <aseigo> ok. slightly straight.
[07:40] <Borg^Queen> Aye, Don Goose
[07:40] <Borg^Queen> Oooops I mean aseigo 
[07:40] <Borg^Queen> LOL
[07:40] <Borg^Queen> I warn you. I beat men up that look better in dresses than I do.
[07:41] <Borg^Queen> and I look damn good in a dress if I say so myself
[07:41] <Borg^Queen> >:
[07:41] <aseigo> i'll have to take your word for it .. don't think i've seen pictures of you .. you should go to a tech conf and do some kde promo so we can see you on the dot =0
[07:42] <Borg^Queen> LOL I will one day when I actually know what I'm doing software wise.
[07:42] <Borg^Queen> Hardware is easy
[07:42] <aseigo> (see how adroitly i try and con(vince) people to pimp for kde ;)
[07:42] <Borg^Queen> Software is an art form
[07:42] <Borg^Queen> LOL
[07:43] <Borg^Queen> I don't have to convince people to use KDE, 
[07:43] <Borg^Queen> I just let them use it for 10 mins
[07:43] <aseigo> =)
[07:43] <Borg^Queen> After that, they're hooked. I guess you can say I'm a pusher.
[07:43] <Borg^Queen> 3.4 is soo way ahead of other GUIs. 
[07:44] <Borg^Queen> Xp has nothing compared to KDE
[07:44] <Borg^Queen> XP users drool after about a 2 min demo
[07:45] <Borg^Queen> Oh and there's an article (looking for the url) where computer experts say gnu-linux is about 2.5 years or more ahead of M$ and about 1 year ahead of OS X
[07:45] <Borg^Queen> Except for useless eye candy and toys of course
[07:46] <Borg^Queen> I can't find the url right now but I do have the quote
[07:46] <Ayreon> I looked up KDE, is it an OS or something?
[07:46] <aseigo> Ayreon: it's what we call a "desktop environment"
[07:46] <Borg^Queen> It's a graphical interface
[07:46] <Borg^Queen> Its in your face
[07:47] <aseigo> Ayreon: which is to say it's a technology platform for graphical applications, it's also a desktop/panels/file manager/etc that you expect on a basic GUI, and it's also a ton of applications that leverage all that
[07:47] <aseigo> oh that. didn't i fix that just the other day?
[07:47] <Ayreon> ok so in other words its like a theme?...
[07:48] <gayboy> if u like man join with me
[07:48] <Borg^Queen> "In a real world, head to head comparison, almost all open source OSes, particluarly gnu linux, show remarkable advances that will likely not be available in mainstream operating systems like Windows or OS X"
[07:48] <Borg^Queen> gayboy: man is in the human race?
[07:51] <Borg^Queen> "If I had to put years to this comparison, I would say FOSS (free open source software) in general is about 2 to 3 years ahead of Windows in real world usable applications/ tools and function. A decade head in stability and security."
[07:51] <Ayreon> ok brb
[07:52] <Borg^Queen> "It will be at least a decade before Windows can claim to be as secure as Gnu Linux. This is odd considering Gnu Linux is just about 11 years old."
[07:52] <Borg^Queen> "This is assuming there is still an Windows OS however"
[07:52] <Borg^Queen> end quote
[07:52] <Borg^Queen> gayboy: don't private msg me 
[07:53] <Borg^Queen> M$'s answer to this article was pretty much along the lines of "Oh yeah!"
[07:55] <Borg^Queen> aseigo: what's new for 4.0
[07:55] <closure> word
[07:55] <activelow> ppp question, on my thinkpad using eth0, then dialing out to the Internet I have to manually execute 'sudo route add default ppp0', can I put this somewhere so I dont have to do it everytime?
[07:55] <Borg^Queen> closure: any word will do?
[07:55] <Borg^Queen> activelow:  why are you using ppp?
[07:56] <activelow> Borg^Queen: to connect to the Internet
[07:56] <aseigo> Borg^Queen: oh jeez. shitloads.
[07:57] <Borg^Queen> I understand that. But can't you just set your net connection via kcontrol?
[07:57] <closure> Borg^Queen sure
[07:57] <closure> Borg^Queen just pick one
[07:57] <Borg^Queen> aseigo: ok give me some for instantes
[07:57] <aseigo> plasma
[07:57] <Borg^Queen> There, that's a good word
[07:57] <aseigo> improved kparts and kxmlgui
[07:57] <aseigo> new networking an dthreading code
[07:57] <Ayreon> It didnt work again!
[07:58] <aseigo> a content browser (vs just a file manager)
[07:58] <aseigo> kontact is going to see some massive rethinks
[07:58] <Borg^Queen> Ayreon: I think you need to tell it to boot off the first  CdROM drive
[07:58] <aseigo> new multimedia engine (arts is going bye-bye)
[07:58] <Ayreon> Yes i've done that
[07:58] <aseigo> possibly moving to dbus
[07:58] <Borg^Queen> Do you have two drives?
[07:58] <Borg^Queen> dbus?
[07:58] <Ayreon> yes
[07:58] <Borg^Queen> What is that?
[07:58] <Borg^Queen> Ayreon: try the other cd drive
[07:59] <Ayreon> ok brb
[07:59] <Borg^Queen> Some drives will not boot from a cdr
[07:59] <Borg^Queen> What is dbus?
[07:59] <aseigo> Borg^Queen: DCOP replacement ..
[07:59] <Borg^Queen> `oh thank god
[07:59] <activelow> Borg^Queen: under network settings ppp0 isnt listed
[08:00] <Borg^Queen> If you're using your network card (nic), then you are using eth0
[08:00] <Borg^Queen> If its built in
[08:01] <Borg^Queen> aseigo: are they going to add the "Smite The Win-User" app?
[08:01] <activelow> It is.  so I'm using the network, then use kppp to dial the internet, what tells linux to use ppp0 instead of eth0?  Right not I have to manually change the routes from the commandline
[08:01] <Borg^Queen> ok so you're in DSL
[08:01] <Borg^Queen> Right?
[08:02] <activelow> Lan at work, with no Internet, phone line for Internet
[08:02] <Borg^Queen> activelow: so you're dialing up to get to the net
[08:02] <activelow> Yup
[08:02] <Borg^Queen> oh ok sorry I  thought DSL
[08:02] <Borg^Queen> Start over again
[08:05] <activelow> using kppp connects just dandy, but I go nowhere until 'sudo route add default ppp' from the commandline, essentially I guess telling linux to use ppp0 instead of eth0
[08:05] <aseigo> Borg^Queen: new widget engine and new icon theme, as well
[08:05] <Borg^Queen> Nice
[08:05] <Borg^Queen> What about the smite app?
[08:05] <Borg^Queen> see above
[08:06] <aseigo> HIG and CIG as well (usability and art guidliens, resp)
[08:06] <aseigo> er, guideline
[08:06] <aseigo> s
[08:06] <Borg^Queen> activelow: what distro are you using?
[08:06] <activelow> kubuntu of course :)
[08:06] <Borg^Queen> Ayreon: no dice?
[08:06] <aseigo> Borg^Queen: yes. 50k volts of smitage
[08:06] <Borg^Queen> `Nice!
[08:06] <aseigo> so ... as i said. lots of changes
[08:06] <aseigo> and that's just the big obvious stuff
[08:06] <Ayreon> I tried everything, and found I could press ESC and it would bring up  a boot screen to select drive.  it didnt work on either of them
[08:06] <Borg^Queen> Looking forward to it
[08:07] <aseigo> 4.0 devel is going to take twice as long a "normal" release, e.g. from 3.3 -> 3.4
[08:07] <Borg^Queen> Ayreon: odds are the cdr is a coaster
[08:07] <Borg^Queen> aseigo: take your time  3.4 was SOO worth it
[08:07] <Ayreon> Well, i've got someone coming over with a normal cd so i shall see if it will work then
[08:07] <Borg^Queen> What kind of cdroms do you have?
[08:07] <activelow> aseigo: I'd like to see the RSS reader in KDE supporting postcasts, that would be a nice feature so I can ditch iPodder
[08:07] <Borg^Queen> Some cdroms do not boot off cdrs
[08:08] <Borg^Queen> what is rss?
[08:08] <Borg^Queen> activelow: dump your old kppp settings and start over again.
[08:08] <Borg^Queen> Go through it carefully
[08:09] <Borg^Queen> and "work around" is to call kppp as root
[08:09] <activelow> a way to subcribe to news channels, some with attachments
[08:09] <Ayreon> cd-rw (80) verbatims and just some normal cd recorables with no info.. if thats what u ment
[08:09] <Borg^Queen> but that's not a good idea
[08:09] <Borg^Queen> Ayreon: no I mean the actual cdrom in the computer
[08:09] <Borg^Queen> That's good media though
[08:10] <activelow> Borg^Queen: I'll give it a go thnx
[08:10] <Borg^Queen> good luck
[08:10] <Borg^Queen> I've never really had any problems with kppp
[08:10] <Borg^Queen> but I don't use it anymore (Thank God)
[08:11] <Ayreon> ASUS CD-S480/AH & HP DVD Writer 300c
[08:11] <Borg^Queen> Those are good
[08:11] <Borg^Queen> The cd is coaster
[08:12] <Borg^Queen> Odds are you have an iso image on the cd and not the information contained in the iso
[08:12] <Borg^Queen> load the cd into the drive and see what you see
[08:12] <Borg^Queen> Then tell us
[08:12] <Ayreon> which 1
[08:12] <Borg^Queen> anyone
[08:12] <Borg^Queen> the burner
[08:12] <Borg^Queen> do you see a bunch of directories or XXXXXXX.iso
[08:13] <Ayreon> 'windows cannot open the file'
[08:13] <Borg^Queen> COASTER
[08:13] <Ayreon> it does that by original file on hd
[08:13] <Borg^Queen> There's nothing wrong with your computer and you're not doing anything wrong
[08:13] <Borg^Queen> pardon?
[08:14] <Ayreon> it says the same msg on the hard drive now that winrar is gone
[08:14] <Borg^Queen> What is the msg?
[08:15] <Ayreon> Windows cannot open the file: kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso --- to open this file, windows needs to know what program created it. windows can go online to look it up automatically, or you can manually select from a list of programs on your comp.  What do you want to do? 1. use the web 2. select prog
[08:15] <Borg^Queen> AAHHH ok
[08:16] <Borg^Queen> Windows has poor file association
[08:16] <Borg^Queen> Open you burner app
[08:16] <Ayreon> ok
[08:16] <Borg^Queen> look for the phrase "burn iso to disc "
[08:16] <Borg^Queen> or  "burn image to disc"
[08:16] <Borg^Queen> something like that
[08:17] <Ayreon> ok on "RecordNow!" it only has options saying: Exact copy, data disc, or audio for car or home cd player
[08:18] <Borg^Queen> Look under File and so on
[08:18] <Borg^Queen> at the top
[08:18] <Ayreon> theres no menu bar, just options which doesnt give much
[08:19] <Borg^Queen> What app is this?
[08:19] <Borg^Queen> Please tell me it isn't an M$ burner app
[08:19] <Ayreon> "Sonic - Record Now!"
[08:19] <Borg^Queen> Ooh
[08:19] <Ayreon> it came with hp
[08:19] <Borg^Queen> Hmm
[08:19] <Borg^Queen> ok open the help feature
[08:19] <Ayreon> i think its mainly used for audio stuff
[08:19] <Borg^Queen> look for "burning iso to disc"
[08:19] <Ayreon> ok
[08:19] <Borg^Queen> I think so too
[08:20] <Ayreon> I found something
[08:20] <Borg^Queen> ?
[08:20] <Ayreon> "Understanding image files" (iso image files) i'll read on
[08:20] <Borg^Queen> ok good
[08:23] <Ayreon> Ok it talks about what it is, but no instructions or anything . . .
[08:23] <Borg^Queen> do you have another app?
[08:24] <Ayreon> just the main topics understanding image files and image file types* no other app but i can get nero
[08:24] <Borg^Queen> get nero
[08:25] <Borg^Queen> Odds are this is a toy app
[08:25] <Borg^Queen> Music, mp3s etc
[08:25] <Ayreon> k
[08:28] <Ayreon> On my cd-rw theres a #80 on it.  Does it mean it can only be written so many times?
[08:34] <activelow> Borg^Queen: I think there's a quirk/bug in kppp on kubuntu.  I ran kppp as root from a console, on connect it tries to set the default route but get's a "no such interface error" since it tries right after the connect but before ppp0 has been brought up
[08:34] <Borg^Queen> ok sorry I was away a min
[08:35] <activelow> So as root it still didnt set the default route
[08:35] <Borg^Queen> A cdrw can be written to about 1000 times assuming it wasn't damaged during a write
[08:35] <Ayreon> oh ok thnx
[08:35] <activelow> but I edited /etc/ppp/ip-up and added route add default ppp0, and it works.  Only difference i can see is that ip-up is called AFTER ppp0 is started.
[08:36] <Borg^Queen> activelow: sounds like you haven't got it connected to the correct port
[08:36] <Borg^Queen> activelow: so you can connect this way?
[08:36] <activelow> Yep
[08:37] <Borg^Queen> ok then leave it
[08:37] <activelow> :)
[08:37] <Borg^Queen> lol
[08:37] <activelow> I might post this inthe forums to see if anyone else has this issue
[08:38] <Borg^Queen> Aye that's not a bad idea. Look for postings too.
[08:38] <activelow> all I need to do now is switch from a i386 kernel to i686, but I'm chicken.  I dont want to break anything
[08:38] <Borg^Queen> You can't really
[08:38] <Borg^Queen> Use synaptic to install it
[08:39] <activelow> I barely had the guts to installed KDE 3.4.1 upgrade :)
[08:39] <activelow> my konquorer still crashes, but less now... Hope that gets fixed
[08:39] <Borg^Queen> you must offer up a proprietary software CD to the Gnu Gods prior to the upgrade
[08:40] <activelow> If only sleep/hibernate worked on this thinkpad I'd rate kubuntu as perfect
[08:40] <Borg^Queen> activelow: do you have any bookmarks the lead to web urls visible on the tool bar for konq?
[08:41] <activelow> what toolbar is that?  The small side one with icons?
[08:41] <Borg^Queen> Nope at the top don't you see any?
[08:41] <activelow> it's crasing in filebrower mode, not web
[08:42] <activelow> I only have the buttons and location toolbar
[08:42] <Borg^Queen> I know but sometimes if you have a bookmark on the toolbar that leads to an odd url, it crashes konq while shutting it down or opening a new tab
[08:42] <Borg^Queen> Been my experience anyway
[08:42] <Borg^Queen> ah ok
[08:43] <activelow> I see.. It's crashing on me when I'm just viewing directories with files
[08:43] <activelow> much less with 3.4.1 though
[08:43] <Borg^Queen> hmm odd
[08:45] <activelow> kde/Kubuntu on the whole has been VERY stable.  Like I said only if sleep/hibernate would work everything would be perfect.
[08:46] <activelow> I've went through 10 howtos on that and still nothing, although the last one said to install a i686 kernel..
[08:46] <Borg^Queen> Check in at different times and ask if there's a fix
[08:46] <activelow> I will thankx
[08:46] <activelow> thankx
[08:48] <Ayreon> Ok I finally got nero working
[08:49] <Borg^Queen> ok good
[08:49] <Borg^Queen> Do you see anything about burning an iso image?
[08:50] <Ayreon> theres burning image to disc
[08:51] <Ayreon> burn image to disc*
[08:51] <Borg^Queen> a howto or an option?
[08:51] <Borg^Queen> Bingo
[08:51] <Borg^Queen> burn image to disc, do it
[08:52] <Borg^Queen> Do you have empty space on your hard drive to install Linux?
[08:52] <Ayreon> ok its begun
[08:52] <Ayreon> yes
[08:52] <Borg^Queen> how much space?
[08:52] <Borg^Queen> I mean unused space
[08:52] <Ayreon> 107 gb
[08:52] <Borg^Queen> not formated and used by windows
[08:52] <Ayreon> unused
[08:52] <Ayreon> oh.
[08:52] <Borg^Queen> Are you sure?
[08:52] <Borg^Queen> ah ha
[08:52] <Ayreon> yes
[08:53] <Borg^Queen> its unformated and currently unacessable via windows?
[08:53] <Ayreon> no
[08:53] <Borg^Queen> inaccessable
[08:53] <Borg^Queen> No?
[08:53] <Borg^Queen> If windows can see it, its formated and in use
[08:53] <Ayreon> windows is on it
[08:53] <Ayreon> oh
[08:53] <Borg^Queen> Houston we have a problem
[08:54] <Ayreon> would partitioning do the trick?...
[08:54] <Borg^Queen> Aye but you'll destroy your current install of windows
[08:54] <Borg^Queen> Unless you use something like partition magic
[08:55] <aseigo> pft. who needs windows. ;)
[08:55] <Borg^Queen> Agreed but I don't want him to lose his data
[08:55] <Borg^Queen> back to the pond with you
[08:56] <aseigo> mmm.. hit me harder.
[08:56] <Borg^Queen> aseigo: the sinister
[08:56] <Borg^Queen> EEEEEEEWWWWWW 
[08:56] <Ayreon> i could do that..... im not easy with it though.  theres a seperate HD thats recovery
[08:56] <Borg^Queen> stop that, gross yuck
[08:56] <Borg^Queen> Ayreon:  that "separate HD" is a partition what would be destroyed as well
[08:57] <Borg^Queen> And you will find its useless
[08:57] <Ayreon> o.o
[08:57] <Borg^Queen> `Welcome to the wonderful world of Windows
[08:57] <Ayreon> oh ok, well i have that other HD on cd's, cause the comp got me to put it on them ...
[08:58] <Borg^Queen> pardon what?
[08:58] <Ayreon> recovery cd's
[08:58] <Borg^Queen> Ok the recovery cds, format and restore the system to factory spec
[08:58] <Ayreon> yes
[08:58] <Borg^Queen> In the process you lose all of your data unless you have backed it up
[08:58] <aseigo> Borg^Queen: haha.. oh c'mon. a little s&m never hurt anyone. ;-P
[08:59] <Borg^Queen> Oooh you're right
[08:59] <Borg^Queen> oooh you know what I found? The test film of Tripping The Rift.
[08:59] <Borg^Queen> My goodness its nasty but funny
[09:00] <Borg^Queen> videodrome is a weird movie
[09:07] <Borg^Queen> Ayreon: how's it going. I have to go soon
[09:07] <Ayreon> its almost done
[09:07] <Borg^Queen> ok
[09:07] <Ayreon> 98%
[09:08] <Borg^Queen> when its finished just see if you can boot to it
[09:08] <Ayreon> k
[09:08] <Borg^Queen> After that you need to either get partition magic, find a free equivilant
[09:08] <Borg^Queen> or backup your data and install windows into a smaller partions
[09:10] <Ayreon> ok
[09:13] <Ayreon> ok im going to go test brb, and thanks for the help
[09:19] <Ayreon> Success! It works
[09:19] <Borg^Queen> What did I tell you. The other cd is coaster
[09:20] <ateves> hi, i have a problem with ubuntu's KDE loginmanager: it has the 1600x1200 resolution, but my profile runs with 1280x960. how can i change the resolution of the loginmanager?
[09:21] <Borg^Queen> in kcontrol
[09:21] <Borg^Queen> Ooops
[09:21] <ateves> yes, i'm in there
[09:22] <Borg^Queen> I can't remember I'm not on 3.4 right now
[09:22] <Borg^Queen> sys admin section
[09:22] <Borg^Queen> login manager
[09:22] <ateves> yes
[09:22] <Borg^Queen> There's a button to active root previlages
[09:22] <ateves> i#m logged in as root
[09:23] <Borg^Queen> The option should be there somewhere.
[09:23] <Borg^Queen> I'm not on 3.4 right now so I can't tell you anymore
[09:23] <Borg^Queen> Sorry
[09:24] <ateves> no problem right now, for the option is not there :) i have had the same problem with suse 9.3
[09:24] <ateves> so it is definitely KDE :D
[09:25] <Borg^Queen> That I can't say
[09:28] <Borg^Queen> Well GN to all
[09:49] <Ayreon> what will happen if my system is no longer bootable?
[09:49] <Ayreon> Im running partition magic and it says if i dont install linux right a way it says that
[09:51] <Ayreon> is the kubuntu setup allow dual boot?
[10:16] <qos> how do i see which fireware version my ipw2200 wlan card uses? i want to set it into monitor mode, but that's only supportet in firmware version 1.04... so i try to find out which firmware i use...
[10:20] <buz> does dmesg say anything?
[10:21] <qos> yeah, "cat /var/log/dmesg | grep ipw" did it :)
[10:25] <buz> is there any easy way to install xen on kubuntu?
[10:32] <Firetech> eh? "Firetech #ubuntu :Cannot join channel (throttled)"
[10:33] <nikkia> Firetech: freenode are doing maint on 3 servers, so people are splitting off and on, they probably have a reconnect throttle on joins
[10:34] <Firetech> nikkia: I noticed that, I came in OK now.
[10:43] <wizzard> hi there
[10:43] <wizzard> pls, how do I remove a package without dependency check?
[10:45] <nikkia> wizarrd, dpkg -r --force-depends
[10:46] <nikkia> or you can use --force-all, it doesn't really matter, but depends is the one thats the key
[10:48] <wizzard> thx much
[10:52] <wizzard> hm, I just removed libgcc1 and it seems it was not a good idea 
[12:03] <tommorris> Hey all
[12:04] <tommorris> Can someone please reseed kubuntu-5.04-dvd-powerpc.iso?
[12:06] <Tm_T> uh
[12:06] <paines> hi
[12:06] <tommorris> Hey
[12:06] <tommorris> So, is that possible?
[12:07] <tommorris> Because there's me and about five people who are stuck at 72.1%
[12:09] <Brydenn[WU] > well looky there
[12:09] <Tm_T> hmm, I have only 386.iso :/
[12:09] <Brydenn[WU] > that was quick and painless
[12:09] <Brydenn[WU] > hehe
[12:09] <Brydenn[WU] > nice OS
[12:10] <Tm_T> it is
[12:10] <Brydenn[WU] > damn
[12:10] <Brydenn[WU] > it even has Konversation instead of lame X-Chat hehe
[12:10] <Brydenn[WU] > wonderful :)
[12:10] <Tm_T> Brydenn[WU] : and irssi!
[12:10] <nikkia> prefers, even
[12:10] <Brydenn[WU] > yah well mIRC owns all of you
[12:10] <Brydenn[WU] > hahaha
[12:11] <Tm_T> thoh
[12:12] <Brydenn[WU] > is kopete better than GAIM?
[12:13] <_peter> Hello all.  Can someone tell me where libc6 C Headers package is installed ?  
[12:13] <Tm_T> Brydenn[WU] : it will be ;)
[12:13] <nikkia> _peter, umm, /usr/include :)
[12:13] <Brydenn[WU] > hehe
[12:13] <Tm_T> Brydenn[WU] : running my tweaked Kopete atm, let's see if my changes will be accepted to ti
[12:14] <Brydenn[WU] > oh yah hey
[12:14] <Brydenn[WU] > big question
[12:14] <Brydenn[WU] > i dont remember setting up the r00t password
[12:14] <Brydenn[WU] > what is it by default
[12:14] <nikkia> Brydenn[WU] : there is no root password
[12:14] <Tm_T> sudo passwd root
[12:14] <Brydenn[WU] > then how do i make one
[12:14] <nikkia> [k] ubuntu uses sudo by default
[12:15] <_peter> nikkia: thanks.  was that a noob *nix question, or should i have looked it up somewhere ?
[12:15] <nikkia> there's really very very little need to set a root password
[12:15] <nikkia> _peter, it was noob-ish, but not really a noob question :)
[12:15] <Brydenn[WU] > why is there little need to set a root pass?
[12:15] <Tm_T> nikkia: yeah, only old farts like me need that root account
[12:15] <nikkia> _peter, libc is *the C runtime*, thus the location for the headers is the default C include directory, /usr/include
[12:15] <_peter> nikkia: is there a way for me to "look up" the install location of packages ?
[12:16] <nikkia> tm_t, i don't bother, and i'm an old fart, being using unix systems for 20 years
[12:16] <nikkia> _peter, apt-file can do it, in theory, i haven't had apt-file work for ages tho
[12:16] <Tm_T> nikkia: uh, "old farts _like me_ " then ;p
[12:16] <Brydenn[WU] > so uh nikkia  why is there little need for me to set a root password?
[12:16] <nikkia> tm_t, i haven't yet found anything that needs a full root account over sudo -s
[12:17] <nikkia> Brydenn[WU] : because you can do one-off commands with sudo, or get a root shell with sudo -s or sudo -i
[12:17] <Brydenn[WU] > in english please hehe i'm a n00b
[12:17] <Brydenn[WU] > hahaha
[12:17] <nikkia> the ONLY reason to set a root password is to enable *some* programs that aren't packaged [properly]  that rely on a root password existing
[12:17] <Tm_T> nikkia: old habit etc :p
[12:18] <_peter> tm_t: I just learned about this.  ubuntu disabled root ON PURPOSE.  The way you access 'root' authority is via sudo.  Only the first account created on install (the one you named) has sudo access by default.   sudo can be added to other accounts later.
[12:18] <nikkia> tm_t, its a habit i got out of on OS X, which also uses the ''*' for root password, use sudo you damned fool' paradigm :)
[12:18] <Tm_T> haha
[12:18] <_peter> tm_t: the sudo password is the current login's  passwd.
[12:18] <nikkia> tm_t, the first couple of times i installed OSX i'd enable root
[12:18] <Brydenn[WU] > well i just clicked on KGpg (encryption tool) and it asked for the r00t password
[12:18] <Tm_T> _peter: oh I know
[12:19] <nikkia> after that, i got bored of doing it, and just 'learn to use sudo you damned fool'-ed
[12:19] <Brydenn[WU] > hhmm nevermind
[12:19] <Brydenn[WU] > hehe
[12:19] <Brydenn[WU] > i'm gonna play a bit more :)
[12:21] <nikkia> Tm_T: i also grew up on VMS systems where it was common to configure SYSTEM to not use a password per se
[12:21] <nikkia> Tm_T: in most cases, if you were an authorised system admin, you'd get assigned a second user password which would be used for the equivalent of sudo
[12:21] <_peter> All    right.  I'm trying to install (read: build) VMWare Tools... it needs the kernel source header files... which package would that be ?
[12:22] <nikkia> _peter, kernel-headers-${uname -r}
[12:23] <nikkia> _peter, eg, kernel-headers-2.6.10-5-686
[12:23] <nikkia> sorry
[12:23] <nikkia> linux-headers....
[12:25] <Tm_T> nikkia: yup, but as I said, old habit...
[12:26] <_peter> nikkia: sorry, i'm lost.  which  package would that be ?
[12:27] <nikkia> _peter, well, find out which kernel you're using, with uname -r
[12:27] <nikkia> then, if its 2.6.10-5-686, like i'm using, you'd want to install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-686
[12:27] <_peter> ok, now I get it.
[12:28] <Tm_T> noo
[12:28] <Tm_T> there's no headers package for 2.6.12
[12:28] <Brydenn[WU] > ok someone help me with this one
[12:29] <Brydenn[WU] > for some reason i cant see my Windows HD
[12:29] <nikkia> _peter, you might be able to get away with installing 'linux-headers' which is a virtual package
[12:29] <Brydenn[WU] > all i see is the 8gig partition i made for Kubuntu
[12:29] <nikkia> it *should* automatically install the right version for your kernel, but i don't trust virtual packages :P
[12:32] <ztonzy> hm, doesn't services work on freenode currently ?
[12:32] <Tm_T> there was some talk about taking servers down
[12:33] <_peter> nikkia: ok, linux-headers* installed... where is it ?  Where can I lookup the install location of a package ?
[12:33] <nikkia> _peter, install apt-file, and read the man page for it
[12:33] <ztonzy> Tm_T: aha
[12:33] <ztonzy> Tm_T: so that's why X-chat didnt logon auto
[12:33] <nikkia> linux-headers gets installed below /usr/src thoguh
[12:33] <nikkia> though
[12:34] <nikkia> _peter, you shouldn't really need to know where linux-headers is, to be honest
[12:34] <nikkia> it gets linked to from /lib/modules/${KERNEL_VERSION}/ and is automatically used when you compile kernel modules
[12:36] <_peter> Ah, but VMWare tools installer is looking for it .  btw: I can't find apt-file package in Kynaptic
[12:36] <nikkia> _peter, vmware should find it automatically, it does for me
[12:36] <_peter> Plus I'm a developer and generally I wish to know where stufff like this is being installed.
[12:37] <nikkia> _peter, you aren't likely to need the linux headers yourself, unless you're writing kernel modules
[12:37] <nikkia> and then, you're likely to know where they are if you know enough to write kernel modules :)
[12:37] <Tm_T> let's see if I can break my system
[12:38] <nikkia> _peter, i understand the motivation to 'know where stuff is' but it tends to lead to the temptation to 'fiddle' which tends to lead to 'OMG BROKEN SYSTEM!'
[12:38] <nikkia> :)
[12:38] <_peter> nikkia:   yes.  but developers are used to breaking things.
[12:38] <nikkia> i try to avoid it, personally
[12:39] <nikkia> explaining to my boss that the project is late 'because i broke my system fiddling about' usually doesn't go down too well
[12:44] <_peter> nikkia: whew.  VMWare tools installed.  Thnaks.
[12:50] <Tm_T> nikkia: I got a great idea, "let's install libc6 packages from breezy" :p
[12:51] <nikkia> tm_t, not your best idea, IMO :P
[12:51] <Tm_T> nikkia: I know, I reinstalled hoary ones very quickly :p
[12:52] <nikkia> tm_t, i'm sure wizzard regretted removing libgcc1 too :)
[12:52] <Tm_T> I didn't touch it
[12:53] <nikkia> i really hate having to use vmware to listen to a radio station :/
[12:53] <nikkia> its annoying too, the station in question has 'ogg streams for linux' for its other stations, but not the one i want to listen to
[12:53] <nikkia> (they even have IPv6 streams for those other stations!! :)
[12:55] <nikkia> clearly the station believes that linux users want to listen to britney spears, and windows users want to listen to classic rock *sigh*
[12:56] <Tm_T> thoho
[12:56] <Tm_T> nikkia: then listen my stream? (mp3 though)
[01:03] <nikkia> nice
[01:07] <Brydenn[WU] > hey nikkia 
[01:07] <nikkia> yeah?
[01:07] <Tm_T> polakin kosto
[01:07] <Brydenn[WU] > i'm having some troulbe saving a line of text to fstab
[01:08] <Brydenn[WU] > says i dont have "write access" or that i need it anyway
[01:08] <Brydenn[WU] > how do i fix that
[01:08] <nikkia> you need to edit it as root
[01:08] <Brydenn[WU] > k, how :)
[01:08] <nikkia> use sudo
[01:08] <nikkia> eg, sudo vi /etc/fstab
[01:08] <Brydenn[WU] > omg VI
[01:08] <Brydenn[WU] > i remember that crap from CS181
[01:08] <nikkia> replace 'vi' with whichever editor you want to use :P
[01:08] <Brydenn[WU] > i mean 161 haha
[01:09] <Brydenn[WU] > hehe is there anyway to run it via a GUI?
[01:09] <nikkia> you can use sudo -e /etc/fstab too
[01:09] <Brydenn[WU] > like run as a "superuser" or something
[01:09] <nikkia> you can use kdesu
[01:10] <Brydenn[WU] > where's that at, sorry for being so green hehe
[01:10] <nikkia> but you still need to specify the command name, say you wanted to use kate as your text editor, you could press alt-f2, type 'kdesu kate /etc/fstab' and hit return
[01:12] <Tm_T> uhm
[01:12] <nikkia> killed your system again, Tm_Tk ?
[01:12] <Tm_T> nah
[01:12] <nikkia> obviously not
[01:12] <Tm_T> thats from my irssi box
[01:14] <Tm_T> there's some dns issues
[01:17] <nikkia> hmmm, my VPN has gone extremely slow
[01:18] <nikkia> probably means someone at work is dl'ing porn again  *rolls eyes*
[01:20] <Tm_T> kids...
[01:23] <ToddMA> The quickest of questions... Is there any configuration "location" which specifies the distribution as being either Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[01:24] <Tm_T> Kubuntu = Ubuntu
[01:24] <Tm_T> they are mostly the same
[01:24] <nikkia> todd, they're mostly identical except for the virtual packages 'ubuntu-desktop' and 'kubuntu-desktop'
[01:24] <nikkia> but you can have both installed
[01:24] <Tm_T> yup
[01:24] <ToddMA> Agreed.... that is the rub...
[01:24] <Tm_T> so I think it's better to talk Ubuntu unless it's really needed to specify K
[01:24] <ToddMA> trying to bug fix enhancements.... where people want the grub menu to show Kubuntu instead of Ubuntu
[01:25] <nikkia> todd, you could check for one of the two -desktop packages, and assume that dist based on just one of them
[01:25] <nikkia> and if both are present, prompt
[01:25] <Tm_T> :p
[01:25] <ToddMA> the update-grub script hardcodes Ubuntu....but don't know how to get it to differentiate.
[01:26] <nikkia> todd, as i said, the only thing i can think of, is checking for the presence of kubuntu-desktop
[01:26] <nikkia> or, perhaps better
[01:26] <nikkia> checking for the non-presence of ubuntu-desktop
[01:26] <ToddMA> Yeah - that's the only thing I came up with so far.
[01:26] <Tm_T> yyyaight
[01:26] <nikkia> that way, a joint ubuntu/kubuntu system will show as ubuntu, which is probably better
[01:27] <ToddMA> That is not a bad idea....
[01:27] <Tm_T> I think it should show as Ubuntu all the time ;)
[01:27] <nikkia> tm_t, i can understand some people not wanting it to
[01:27] <Tm_T> heh
[01:27] <nikkia> it causes confusion in people that don't understand the link
[01:27] <nikkia> 'eh? i installed kubuntu, not ubuntu'
[01:28] <Tm_T> nikkia: no shit :p
[01:28] <ToddMA> so if exists /usr/share/doc/kubuntu-desktop and not exists /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-desktop then Title=Kubuntu
[01:28] <Tm_T> nikkia: there's couple power user who are so mad about that and some other things they even consider to switch away from (K)Ubuntu
[01:29] <ToddMA> else Title=Ubuntu
[01:29] <Tm_T> yup
[01:29] <nikkia> todd, yeah
[01:29] <Tm_T> ToddMA: sounds good to me
[01:29] <nikkia> tm_t, they don't sound much like power users to me :)
[01:30] <nikkia> tm_t, i don't even look at the boot menu, i either hit enter or down,down,down, enter :)
[01:30] <Tm_T> nikkia: no, I don't mean boot menu, I mean noob confusion with ubuntu/kubuntu etc
[01:30] <nikkia> oh
[01:31] <ToddMA> Yeah the branding is kind of wierd.... for something tied so tightly.
[01:39] <ToddMA> Any thoughts on having something like a /etc/distro config file for setting the distro name: Ubuntu/Kubuntu/whatever may come in the future....?
[01:41] <Brydenn[WU] > kubuntu comes with firefox doesnt it?
[01:44] <ToddMA> Brydenn: Not installed by default in kubuntu-desktop, but it is avail in the repository. 
[01:44] <Brydenn[WU] > yah i think i saw that
[01:44] <ToddMA> And usuable...although I have some minor complaints about it.... lol
[01:45] <Brydenn[WU] > well if i want to update to the latest version of firefox .... how would i do that via the repository
[01:46] <ToddMA> In Hoary - command line : apt-get install firefox
[01:46] <ToddMA> or use the Package Manager for a gui installation
[01:47] <ToddMA> sudo apt-get install firefox that is.....
[01:47] <Brydenn[WU] > brydenn@Brydenn:~$ sudo apt-get install firefox
[01:47] <Brydenn[WU] > Password:
[01:47] <Brydenn[WU] > Reading package lists... Done
[01:47] <Brydenn[WU] > Building dependency tree... Done
[01:47] <Brydenn[WU] > E: Couldn't find package firefox
[01:49] <ToddMA> sudo apt-get update will download the latest package information.
[01:49] <ToddMA> Have you done an online update before?
[01:49] <Brydenn[WU] > no
[01:49] <Brydenn[WU] > i just installed this OS about an hour ago hehe
[01:49] <ToddMA> OK - that explains why it doesn't know about firefox.
[01:51] <Brydenn[WU] > damn
[01:51] <ToddMA> ??
[01:51] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[01:51] <Brydenn[WU] > i did the update
[01:52] <Brydenn[WU] > adn then apt-get firefox... same thing though
[01:52] <Brydenn[WU] > cant find it
[01:52] <nikkia> isn't it mozilla-firefox ?
[01:52] <nikkia> its called firefox in backports tho
[01:55] <ToddMA> could be - I am on breezy and I have both but only firefox shows up in main. mozilla-firefox is showing up in universe
[01:56] <nikkia> well, my 'firefox' has a ubp version string, as does my mozilla-firefox, but the latter also has a 'ubuntu' version in the versions list
[01:56] <dla> moin
[01:57] <ToddMA> Brydenn do a sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[01:58] <ToddMA> Yeah nikkia for me right now in breezy I see mozilla firefox as Package: mozilla-firefox
[01:58] <ToddMA> Priority: optional
[01:58] <ToddMA> Section: universe/web
[01:58] <ToddMA> Installed-Size: 24100
[01:58] <ToddMA> Maintainer: Eric Dorland <eric@debian.org>
[01:58] <_qos> hey guys, how to format a harddisk?
[01:58] <ToddMA> Architecture: i386
[01:58] <ToddMA> Version: 1.0.2-0ubuntu5
[01:58] <ToddMA> qos what kind of filesystem do you want to put on it?
[01:59] <_qos> fat? at first, i want to securly erase it ...
[01:59] <ToddMA> and yo do know that formatting will destroy all data on the partition right?
[01:59] <_qos> sure :) ?
[01:59] <_qos> thats the reaseon ... ;)
[01:59] <ToddMA> Why fat?
[02:00] <_qos> forget about formating, i only what to securly destory the data ...
[02:00] <nikkia> 'securly erase' ?? /me waits for the 'OMG hurry, the FBI is here!!! tell me how!!' :)
[02:00] <_qos> no ... not realy ... hope so ..
[02:01] <ToddMA> and how securely erased do you want? There are utilities that will write a series of pattern of 0s and 1s across the partition....
[02:01] <Tm_T> several times
[02:02] <nikkia> qos, you want 'wipe', but it won't make the data completely securely deleted, nothing will
[02:02] <_qos> that would be nice ...
[02:02] <ToddMA> is it a FAT partition now?
[02:02] <_qos> no... it is ntfs...
[02:02] <ToddMA> And you are running Kubuntu?
[02:03] <_qos> yeah
[02:03] <nikkia> qos, apt-get install wipe, then look at the man page
[02:03] <_qos> the thing with the 0 & 1 across sounds good...
[02:03] <_qos> i did it ... but it seems that its only for files, not for partitions ...
[02:03] <nikkia> qos, the man page gives examples for wiping partitions
[02:03] <ToddMA> How big of a partition are we talking?  This could take a Loooooong time
[02:03] <_qos> 30 GB
[02:04] <nikkia> qos, read the man page, and search for hda3
[02:04] <_qos> i already found it ... thx
[02:04] <ToddMA> dd is the tool to use.
[02:04] <nikkia> todd, not very secure
[02:05] <nikkia> todd, there are some quite complex algorithms for secure erase, just dd'ing /dev/zero or /dev/random isn't ideal
[02:05] <ToddMA> agreed.  and it takes many 7+ writes 
[02:06] <nikkia> i think the US Gov specs 35 pass for mildly sensitive data
[02:07] <_qos> so. the drive is connected via usb ... i can see sda1 & sda 5. what have i to choose?
[02:07] <nikkia> (if its really sensitive,  you destroy the drive with thermite)
[02:07] <ToddMA> lol
[02:08] <nikkia> todd, seriously, none of the 'secure erase' are good enough for really sensitive data, destroying the hard disk utterly is the only way
[02:08] <ToddMA> I used to laugh in my Army days when we had all sorts of procedures for clearing out a Xerox copy machine after making a photocopy, but data was stored on unsecfured floppy disks
[02:08] <nikkia> todd, *nod*
[02:08] <ToddMA> Made lots of sense.
[02:09] <ToddMA> Yeah - it all depends on one's particular definition of "secure" data and how badly they don't want it recovered.
[02:10] <_qos> "wipe -kq /dev/sda" is that right?
[02:10] <Tm_T> eeh
[02:10] <nikkia> qos, the man page suggests against using it on the whole drive
[02:11] <_qos> so?
[02:11] <nikkia> its going to do nothing if any of your blocks containing 'bits' of sensitive data are marked as bad
[02:12] <nikkia> they'll happily be sitting way out of the disk controller's way when you're doing your secure erase, and thus not even remotely erased
[02:13] <_qos> thats not an harddrive which contains such sensitve information, i simply want to erase it, to prevent the next owner of using norton undelete or other programs like that.
[02:13] <nikkia> ah, the wipe man page specifically mentions the bad block issue
[02:14] <nikkia> wow, the author needs a tinfoil hat :P
[02:15] <nikkia> he theorises that drive manufacturers in cahoots with the government secretely copy 'interesting data' to the bad block area so that the government can see your plans even if you erase the drive :)
[02:15] <_qos> so, what can you offer? ;)
[02:16] <nikkia> qos, if its not that sensitive, just wipe the partitions, then repartition
[02:16] <nikkia> the partition sizes aren't going to be worth anything anyway, so i wouldn't worry about wiping the entire disk surface - and it can cause problems, some drives store the geometry in an area close to the partition table, and wiping the entire disk surface could make the disk unusable
[02:19] <_qos> so, i dont know axactly that to type. wipe -kq <sda what> ?
[02:20] <nikkia> wipe -kq /dev/sda1    or whatever partitions you want to wipe
[02:22] <_qos> is there a way to erase the entire harddisk? not only a partition?
[02:23] <nikkia> qos, i wouldn't recommend it
[02:23] <nikkia> there's a fair chance it'll render the drive completely useless
[02:24] <_qos> :) okay. i did it a few years ago... with a dos program ...
[02:29] <ToddMA> Hey nikkia how is your bash?
[02:34] <nikkia> todd, reasonable
[02:35] <ToddMA> trying to do: if [ -d /usr/share/doc/kubuntu-desktop -a ! -d /usr/share/doc/kubuntu-desktop] 
[02:35] <ToddMA> notice the ! (not)
[02:35] <ToddMA> which doesn't work
[02:36] <nikkia> hmmm, you might have to split it into a nested if
[02:37] <ToddMA> THat is what I got to work.... but I couldn't believe that there wasn't a way to do <this> AND NOT <that>.
[02:38] <ToddMA> my prob with the nested ifs is that I wanted to PASS in the first if/then and couldn't seem to pull it off so I ended up with reassigning distro="Ubuntu" just for filler
[02:39] <nikkia> test isn't the greatest imo
[02:40] <ToddMA> maybe a nested test? [ [EXPR]  -a [ ! EXPR]  ] 
[02:40] <nikkia> yeah, i was thinking that
[02:40] <ToddMA> I'm not a BASH guy - I'm more used to things like python or C or Java...
[02:42] <nikkia> same here really, but necessity has required me to be vaugely proficient in bash over the years :)
[02:44] <ToddMA> nested tests don't seem to work.
[02:45] <ToddMA> is there a way to do a "pass" after a if [ ]  ; then?
[02:46] <ToddMA> lol
[02:48] <ToddMA> got it....
[02:48] <ToddMA> distro="Ubuntu"
[02:48] <ToddMA> if ! [ -d /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-desktop ]  ; then
[02:48] <ToddMA>    if  [ -d /usr/share/doc/kubuntu-desktop ]  ; then
[02:48] <ToddMA>    distro="Kubuntu"
[02:48] <ToddMA>    fi
[02:48] <ToddMA> fi
[02:49] <nikkia> hmmm, you could expand that...
[02:50] <nikkia> the else condition on the inside if, is going to be when neither exists, which is probably when you do a server install, so if someone wants it, you could call it 'Ubuntu-server' :)
[02:51] <ToddMA> I thought about that - but there are also situations..... Remember everyone having to uninstall ubuntu-desktop in order to get totem-xine?
[02:51] <nikkia> no, i only use kubuntu, so have no knowledge of that :)
[02:52] <nikkia> woohoo
[02:52] <ToddMA> It was with Warty.  To get MP3 and such working you needed to install totem-xine which conflicted with totem which was needed by Ubuntu-desktop....
[02:52] <nikkia> my pointless expensive purchase has been shipped!
[02:53] <ToddMA> What's that?
[02:53] <nikkia> todd, a bass 'amp'
[02:53] <ToddMA> Ahhhh.  a toy...
[03:13] <qos_> what are linux-headers?
[03:15] <ToddMA> source files needed by some programs(modules) to compile against
[03:16] <qos_> ahh ... thx
[03:27] <qos_> i am trying to install a newer version of the ipw2200 driver for my wlan card. but when i run "sudo make" there is going something wrong:
[03:27] <qos_> /bin/sh: cc: command not found
[03:27] <qos_> make -C /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build SUBDIRS=/home/iface/ipw2200-1.0.0 MODVERDIR=/home/iface/ipw2200-1.0.0 modules
[03:27] <qos_> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 11: gcc: command not found
[03:28] <qos_> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 12: gcc: command not found
[03:28] <qos_> make[1] : Gehe in Verzeichnis /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[03:28] <qos_>   CC [M]   /home/iface/ipw2200-1.0.0/ipw2200.o
[03:28] <qos_> /bin/sh: gcc: command not found
[03:28] <qos_> make[2] : *** [/home/iface/ipw2200-1.0.0/ipw2200.o]  Fehler 127
[03:28] <qos_> make[1] : *** [_module_/home/iface/ipw2200-1.0.0]  Fehler 2
[03:28] <qos_> make[1] : Verlasse Verzeichnis /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[03:28] <qos_> make: *** [modules]  Fehler 2
[03:28] <Tm_T> :/
[03:28] <qos_> join #ubuntu-de
[03:34] <uniq> qos_: please don't paste in the channel like that.
[03:35] <qos_> but where to paste?
[03:36] <qos_> http://rafb.net/paste/results/is0Qca97.html
[03:38] <nikkia> 'noon uniq
[03:43] <uniq> hi nikkia.
[03:47] <ToddMA> qos - do you have build-essential installed?
[03:52] <nikkia> gah, i'm sick of eclipse resetting my keyboard repeat!
[03:53] <ToddMA> have you grabbed 3.1 yet nikkia?
[03:54] <nikkia> todd, no, i'm using 3.1rc from about 3 weeks ago
[03:54] <nikkia> a little afraid to upgrade incase it breaks my projects
[03:54] <ToddMA> website is pretty dead....  I have seen a few reports of people complaining about it breaking things....
[03:55] <nikkia> that's probably more 3.0 -> 3.1 tho
[03:55] <ToddMA> I wanted to wait to see if the VE plugin was updated too.
[03:56] <ToddMA> I had milestone 6 going a while back.
[03:58] <nikkia> btw, i got that annoying radio station playing natively in linux
[03:59] <nikkia> thru a combination of wget'ing the .asx to get the wma stream :P
[03:59] <nikkia> (and using mplayer to play the stream)
[03:59] <nikkia> just waiting for bmp-wma to compile to see if that can play it
[04:01] <nikkia> bah, it can't
[04:01] <nikkia> 'DivX Audio v2'
[04:47] <_cloud> hi there is someone that can help me in compiling amule 2.0.3  plz?
[04:48] <_cloud> i have errors on make..
[04:49] <uniq> _cloud: ok, can you paste the error on http://kubuntu.pastebin.com ? 
[04:49] <_cloud> yes
[04:49] <_cloud> i'll paste first the ./ configure and the the make...
[04:49] <uniq> just paste configure first.
[04:49] <_cloud> ok
[04:49] <uniq> make can wait.
[04:50] <_cloud> Query failure: Can't open file: 'pastebin.MYI'. (errno: 145)
[04:50] <_cloud> select pid,poster,unix_timestamp()-unix_timestamp(posted) as age, date_format(posted, '%a %D %b %H:%i') as postdate from pastebin where domain='kubuntu' order by posted desc, pid desc limit 10
[04:50] <_cloud> whoa...
[04:50] <_cloud> cannot load the page:huh:
[04:50] <_cloud> :huh:
[04:50] <_cloud> *_*
[04:50] <uniq> ok.
[04:51] <uniq> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ then.
[04:51] <_cloud> this works
[04:52] <_cloud> done
[04:52] <_cloud> check the post
[04:52] <_cloud> :)
[04:54] <uniq> install 'libgtk2.0-dev'
[04:54] <_cloud> ghghgh i messed up and i done config two times..forgive that..
[04:54] <_cloud> ah ok
[04:54] <_cloud> checking with kynaptic
[04:55] <_cloud> ok..installing libs..
[04:57] <_cloud> done
[04:57] <_cloud> reconfiguring.
[04:57] <uniq> wait. you need more.
[04:58] <_cloud> ah ok...in fsact the result is the same..
[05:00] <uniq> you need binutils-dev and libgd2-xpm-dev too.
[05:01] <uniq> then you can try configure and make again.
[05:02] <nikkia> great, here comes the lightning again
[05:03] <ToddMA> fwiw I think you can find aMule in backports
[05:03] <uniq> nikkia: you're living in lightningland :)
[05:04] <nikkia> uniq, seems like it...
[05:04] <nikkia> uniq, tbh, i lived in america for 10 years, and we had FAR worse storms there than the UK ever sees
[05:04] <uniq> heh.. ok.
[05:08] <nikkia> uniq, i will say this tho, last night's storm, i have never seen lighting 'bolts' that wide
[05:10] <uniq> hm.. sounds like a nice summer.
[05:10] <uniq> whoow.
[05:10] <uniq>  17:10:18 up 26 days,  7:04,  3 users,  load average: 27.28, 19.18, 8.83
[05:10] <_cloud> yo
[05:10] <_cloud> thanks
[05:28] <_judith> where can I grab firefox 1.0.4?
[05:29] <_judith> installing thruogh apt gives me an old bersion!
[05:29] <_judith> bersion=version
[05:29] <Tm_T> _judith: it's new version
[05:29] <KaiL> from mozilla.org
[05:31] <ToddMA> ubuntu added fixes onto the 1.0.2 version of firefox
[05:31] <_judith> I thought we now have firefox 1.0.4...al I get from apt-get is 1.0.2
[05:31] <nikkia> you can either modify the config to report 1.0.4 (since FF's website won't let you ANYWHERE near the extensions with 1.0.2)...
[05:32] <nikkia> or you can get the 1.0.4 from backports
[05:32] <nikkia> it doesn't really make any difference either way, except that the one in backports may or may not be able to print
[05:32] <nikkia> (it suggests 'xprint' but that's unavailable)
[05:32] <ToddMA> and changing the version string on the 1.0.2 is easy
[05:32] <nikkia> todd, indeed
[05:33] <_judith> ToddMA: how?
[05:33] <nikkia> judith, go to about:config
[05:33] <ToddMA> damn nikkia types faster than me..... lol
[05:33] <_judith> ok
[05:34] <nikkia> and then i've forgotten which key you change :P
[05:34] <nikkia> ah
[05:34] <nikkia> general.useragent.vendorSub
[05:34] <nikkia> set it to 1.0.4
[05:39] <_judith> thanx
[05:39] <_judith> it worked!
[05:41] <ToddMA> congrats
[05:58] <ralf> hi
[05:58] <ralf> packages on the install cd are the ones in te repository?
[05:59] <ralf> or there are some missing?
[05:59] <ralf> i have installed yesterday kubuntu on a non networked pc
[05:59] <uniq> on the cd or in the repositories? 
[05:59] <uniq> the repositories have waaaay more packages.
[05:59] <ralf> now i'm at home with adsl
[05:59] <ralf> ok, so how can I know what to download now
[06:00] <ralf> since i will not have later?
[06:00] <ralf> there is a cd packages list?
[06:02] <ralf> ok, found
[06:02] <uniq> where did you find it?
[06:03] <ralf> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.list
[06:03] <uniq> ah :)
[06:03] <ralf> another question
[06:03] <ralf> that pc has a softmodem
[06:03] <ralf> rockwell chipset
[06:03] <ralf> conexant...
[06:03] <ralf> how can i grab some info on the modem
[06:04] <ralf> to look for drivers when i'll back to my adsl pc?
[06:04] <uniq> hmm..
[06:05] <ralf> lspci -vvv?
[06:05] <ralf> or there is another hack?
[06:05] <ralf> maybe only the VID/PID will be enough
[06:05] <uniq> is this a laptop? 
[06:05] <ralf> no
[06:05] <ralf> i'll buy a serial modem later
[06:06] <ralf> but i need networking soon
[06:06] <ralf> just for emails and ftp uploading
[06:06] <apollo2011> Will the PowerPC version of Ubuntu run on an iMac?
[06:07] <uniq> apollo2011: yes.
[06:07] <apollo2011> uniq: ok thx
[06:08] <uniq> apollo2011: you can search ubuntuforums.org for more info on (k)ubuntu+mac.
[06:08] <apollo2011> uniq: its just that in the list iMac was listed justGx, iBooks, and PowerBooks...I figured it would run but wanted to check
[06:08] <apollo2011> will do
[06:08] <uniq> apollo2011: i run kubuntu on my ibook myself. it's great.
[06:08] <apollo2011> cool
[06:17] <_cloud> a friend of mine too has ubuntu on ibook
[06:17] <apokryphos> what an excellent person that put together that FAQ in the topic; excellent stuff.
[07:34] <nmorse> So this is what working tech support for Apple must feel like
[07:34] <nmorse> A whole lot of nothing
[07:34] <uniq> hehe :)
[07:35] <_cloud> ok i installed all the libs necessary 
[07:35] <nmorse> Well, there's still the fact that pyqt is borked in Kubuntu
[07:36] <_cloud> i reconfigured and done the make
[07:36] <_cloud> i'll paste the make
[07:37] <nmorse> Crud, did we get another security fix to the kernel?
[07:38] <_cloud> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/306
[07:38] <_cloud> splz see if this is correct
[07:39] <uniq> no error message? 
[07:39] <_cloud> no as you can see in the paste
[07:39] <nikkia> nmorse: you could always head over to #ubuntu and listen to 1 million people moan about not having sound configured right :P
[07:39] <uniq> _cloud: then it's all good.
[07:40] <_cloud> ok but...-now what i got to do to run this f**** app???-
[07:40] <nmorse> I could go to #alsa for that too
[07:40] <nmorse> make install
[07:40] <nmorse> Then run it
[07:41] <uniq> _cloud: i would recommend getting 'checkinstall' from universe.. and run 'checkinstall' in the source directory.
[07:41] <uniq> make install just makes a mess.
[07:41] <uniq> with checkinstall it's easier to remove later.. 
[07:42] <nmorse> Oh, I've heard of that, can't say I've tried it though
[07:42] <nmorse> What program are you compiling anyway?
[07:42] <_cloud> mmm checkinstall is asking me to create the package documentation directory?
[07:42] <uniq> _cloud: no on that.
[07:42] <_cloud> :D
[07:42] <_cloud> thx
[07:44] <_cloud> ok...it is creating all the stuff...i suppose that the summary is all correct.
[07:45] <uniq> when it's done.. and you get the info on how to remove it later.. you can start it.
[07:45] <uniq> i would guess 'amule' is the command.
[07:45] <_cloud> "This package will be built according to these values:"
[07:45] <_cloud> i think that the summary is correct..i proceed
[07:45] <uniq> ah.. yes.
[07:46] <nmorse> anyone here ever actually had any use for Kugar?
[07:46] <_cloud> there are no problems with the older version of emule that was installed
[07:46] <_cloud> right?
[07:47] <uniq> _cloud: maybe. you'll see.
[07:47] <uniq> it should be replaced if the summary said the packagename of your new package is the same as the old one installed.
[07:47] <_cloud> ghghghg
[07:47] <_cloud> all works good man
[07:48] <_cloud> you're great
[07:48] <_cloud> amule started :D
[07:48] <uniq> correct version too? 
[07:48] <_cloud> yes 2.0.3
[07:49] <_cloud> it has loaded the incomplete downloads too... :D :D
[07:50] <_cloud> it was the first time compiling a package
[07:50] <_cloud> ehehhe i'll bet that you understood that :-)
[07:51] <yourghetek> is this a good linux compatible modem? "Communication controller: Conexant HCF 56k Data/Fax/Voice/Spkp Mode"
[07:51] <mrmanic> yourghetek: no
[07:51] <yourghetek> damnit
[07:51] <yourghetek> ok
[07:51] <yourghetek> i will keep looking
[07:52] <yourghetek> keep looking and lspciing
[07:52] <mrmanic> yourghetek: you can get a fine driver for it from linuxant.
[07:52] <mrmanic> yourghetek: it just costs like $30
[07:53] <yourghetek> i just want something that i can plug in and start calling from my computer
[07:55] <nmorse> VOIP
[07:55] <nmorse> It's your friend
[07:56] <yourghetek> but i want to use a phone line
[07:56] <nmorse> Why bother?
[07:56] <nmorse> Our phone company's never given us anything but crap
[07:56] <nmorse> Dang you SBC!!!!!!!!!
[07:56] <yourghetek> i want to click on a contacts phone number in kontact and pickup my bluetooth headset and talk
[07:56] <nmorse> Ah
[07:57] <nmorse> You know, I knew a guy who did that using bluetooth to his cell phone actually
[07:57] <nmorse> From his Powerbook
[07:57] <yourghetek> oooh
[07:58] <yourghetek> i wanna see a mac g5 running kubuntu with the newest version of wine and running solitaire
[07:59] <nmorse> Wine and a G5 do not mix
[07:59] <nmorse> WINE Is Not an Emulator
[07:59] <yourghetek> it was just a dream
[08:00] <nmorse> I know, but with the Mac-on-Intel said dream could come true
[08:00] <nmorse> Though sans G5 of course
[08:00] <yourghetek> yargh
[08:00] <Tm_T> hi kids
[08:01] <yourghetek> imagine running autodesk inventor or premiere pro on a g5
[08:01] <yourghetek> or g6
[08:01] <yourghetek> hehe
[08:01] <nmorse> hello Tm_t
[08:01] <nmorse> s/t/T/
[08:01] <nmorse> You hear the linux kernel's been ported to Cell processors compeletely?
[08:02] <yourghetek> ?
[08:03] <nmorse> IBM, Sony and I think Toshiba ported it
[08:03] <ralf> nmorse: yes
[08:03] <nmorse> They even made a new filesystem for it I hear
[08:03] <Tm_T> myu bien
[08:03] <yourghetek> who is they?
[08:03] <ralf> yourghetek: an high performance cpu
[08:03] <ralf> 8 ppc core
[08:03] <ralf> is in the playstation 3
[08:04] <nmorse> Very cool for paralellized stuff so I hear
[08:04] <ralf> nmorse: is a virtual filesystem to handle the cpu
[08:04] <ralf> spufs
[08:05] <nmorse> Sounds really neat
[08:05] <ralf> nmorse: we have to see if 
[08:05] <ralf> it is fast with normal operations
[08:05] <ralf> as in fpu operations
[08:06] <ralf> a web server or a compiler doesn't need fpu
[08:06] <nmorse> I hear it's good at vectorized stuff at least
[08:08] <nmorse> Hmm, is there no edonkey set for giFT?
[08:09] <yourghetek> so will the ps3 run linux?
[08:10] <yourghetek> b/c im sure that would be a lot cheaper than a system overhaul
[08:10] <nmorse> The PS3 hard drive ships with Linux on it according to the Sony President
[08:10] <yourghetek> awesome
[08:10] <yourghetek> and "cell" is intel
[08:10] <yourghetek> ?
[08:11] <nmorse> IBM actually
[08:11] <yourghetek> will that be ok with wine?
[08:11] <nmorse> nope
[08:11] <yourghetek> grr
[08:11] <nmorse> Only x86 processors can use WINE
[08:11] <yourghetek> is that why i could never get wine on my amd64 machine?
[08:11] <nmorse> Which at the moment are limited to Intel, AMD, and VIA
[08:12] <nmorse> Beats me about wine on AMD64
[08:12] <buz> wrong
[08:12] <buz> transmeta sells x86 too, or did at least
[08:12] <jeramy> Only if you're running a 32-bit OS
[08:12] <yourghetek> goddamit buz
[08:12] <buz> not sure if there are any efficieons on the market, still
[08:12] <nmorse> Transmeta's used code-morphing software
[08:12] <buz> sure
[08:12] <nmorse> and they quit making those last I heard
[08:12] <buz> still it was a x86 cpu
[08:12] <yourghetek> you only wait to jump in when you have a cool line
[08:13] <nmorse> notice the phrase "at the moment"
[08:13] <buz> na
[08:13] <buz> i just passed by by accident ;)
[08:13] <yourghetek> riiiight
[08:14] <buz> sure
[08:14] <buz> i just basically came from the shower
[08:14] <buz> after getting drunk at school that is
[08:14] <yourghetek> thats what they all say
[08:14] <buz> believe whatever you want
[08:15] <yourghetek> hey i just tried ubuntu
[08:15] <yourghetek> its not my cup of tea but its not all that bad
[08:16] <buz> i hate gnome
[08:16] <buz> stinking foot it is
[08:16] <nmorse> I like KDE way better
[08:16] <yourghetek> i admit its simple
[08:16] <yourghetek> but its great for beginners
[08:16] <nmorse> Simple the way Mac OS 9 was simple
[08:16] <buz> no
[08:17] <nmorse> Messed up simple
[08:17] <buz> macos is stubborn
[08:17] <buz> kde is not
[08:17] <nmorse> I meant Mac OS 9 and GNOME are a lot alike
[08:17] <buz> ah yeah
[08:17] <buz> both are crappy
[08:17] <buz> so yes
[08:18] <nmorse> I really want to try GNUStep
[08:18] <buz> i think nextstep is way overrated
[08:18] <nmorse> Supposed to be based off of NeXTStep just like OS X
[08:18] <buz> if osx is nextstep++ it ain't that bloody good
[08:18] <nmorse> I like OS X actually
[08:18] <Tm_T> :/
[08:18] <nmorse> Not nearly as much as KDE though
[08:18] <buz> it's too inflexible for my taste
[08:18] <Tm_T> pastebin.com is down
[08:18] <nmorse> on Linux
[08:18] <yourghetek> use pastebin.ca
[08:19] <nmorse> try pastebin.ca
[08:19] <buz> osx is like beauty, bugfree xp
[08:19] <uniq> tm_t: you can use paste.ubuntulinux.nl too.
[08:19] <buz> kde is like an environment to get work done
[08:19] <aseigo> yay for canada!
[08:19] <nmorse> Wow, it sure is hard to get help regarding an Ubuntu PPC problem
[08:19] <uniq> nmorse: what's the problem? 
[08:19] <nmorse> My iMac won't boot the kernel after install
[08:20] <nmorse> It sits there spinning the little pipe for all eternity
[08:20] <nmorse> Loading Kernel |/|\|/
[08:20] <uniq> hmm.
[08:20] <Tm_T> uniq: sure, but--- it's not Kubuntu ;/
[08:20] <uniq> tm_t: yeah i know. :/
[08:21] <nmorse> I love #ubuntu-ppc
[08:21] <nmorse> With it's topic of llama
[08:21] <nmorse> Boy, you'd think someone would make that a useful channel, but no
[08:23] <uniq> don't think i can help you with that problem.. unfortunately.
[08:24] <nmorse> Yeah, it's an old iMac that has some weird quirks
[08:24] <nmorse> Hey, uniq, does Mac-on-Linux work well?
[08:24] <uniq> don't know. i don't use mac os.
[08:24] <uniq> at all.
[08:25] <uniq> pure kubuntu for me.
[08:25] <nmorse> Ah, I have some old Mac games that are fun to play
[08:25] <nmorse> Like Wizardry Gold
[08:34] <nmorse> hey monchy
[08:34] <monchy> hey nmorse
[09:09] <elmago> hi alll kann mir vielleicht jemand eine gute seite sagen wo ich server fr apt finde?
[09:09] <buz> what kind of servers
[09:10] <uniq> elmago: in english please? 
[09:10] <elmago> i just installt kubuntu and i like to add some good stable servers in my source.list
[09:11] <uniq> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38 is a good example.
[09:13] <elmago> i have this servers already
[09:13] <uniq> if you want to change to other servers i can suggest de.archive.ubuntu.com if you're in germany.
[09:13] <froud> Hello Kubuntu users. We are looking for people who would like to contribute to development of Kubuntu Documentation. Previews of the documents currently under development can be seen at nightly update to http://lnix.net/~froud/ Anyone interested in contributing can join #ubuntu-doc to discuss ideas
[09:13] <elmago> yes iam
[09:13] <uniq> elmago: also se.archive.ubuntu.com is fast.
[09:14] <elmago> i thought of some debian servers not only ubuntu
[09:15] <buz> i'd advise against debian servers
[09:16] <buz> they are bound to incur wreak havoc upon your system sooner rather than later
[09:16] <buz> so stay away from them unless you REALLY know what you're doing there
[09:17] <elmago> ok thx
[09:17] <uniq> i agree with buz on that.
[09:18] <buz> on top of that, i'd also stay away from breezy for much the same reasons
[09:18] <elmago> could it be that there are some packeges on the normal debian servers, that are not on the ubuntu servers
[09:21] <jeramy> There shouldn't be.  Maybe some non-free stuff like the Marillat repository...
[09:22] <jeramy> Speaking of which, I tried to install avidemux yesterday, and it won't install.  :(
[09:23] <elmago> sorry for that question but iam a real noob in linux: how do i install a tar.gz archive? 
[09:23] <elmago> tar 
[09:23] <elmago> -??
[09:26] <Xk2c> hallo
[09:29] <elmago> hi
[09:30] <jeramy> elmago: What's in the .tar.gz archive?
[09:31] <jeramy> Are you trying to install a program?
[10:01] <unome> !kubuntu live
[10:30] <js_> how can i turn antialiased fonts on?
[10:32] <js_> uhm i missed the small "turn on antialiasing button"
[10:32] <Tm_T> :p
[10:33] <amywilson> how do I install java on kubuntu 
[10:35] <amywilson> is it the same as gnome version of ubuntu or is something different on it 
[10:35] <ToddMA> amywilson:yes procedure is the same as ubuntu
[10:36] <amywilson> ok I can't find the link where I had the procedure stored for ubuntu 
[10:37] <ToddMA> there are a couple of options.  One is listed on ubuntuguide.org and the wiki has info too..
[10:37] <amywilson> ok
[10:38] <nikkia> hmmmm, umbrello has suddenly forgotten what C++ is on me
[10:38] <ToddMA> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java15 
[10:39] <ToddMA> Umbrello is kind of flaky like that huh?
[10:39] <amywilson> thank u
[10:39] <ToddMA> nikkia thanks for the thunderstorm
[10:39] <mrmanic> nikkia: umbrello made an executive decision.  C++: old and busted.  Python: new hotness
[10:40] <ToddMA> sounds like a reasonable choice for me...
[10:40] <nikkia> mrmanic, i like python, but no way is it the right choice for a millisecond sensitive multimedia app
[10:41] <ToddMA> Umbrello went up in flames with me when I mentioned Java
[10:41] <nikkia> todd, we're still getting thunder & lightning here, btw
[10:41] <mrmanic> nikkia: I agree :)
[10:41] <nikkia> mrmanic, if there was a Qt/KDE binding, i'd use Ada, but there's not
[10:41] <ToddMA> Well Nikkia, it spread to Boston - cooled things down very nicely
[10:41] <nikkia> well, there is, but its not very good, and its not in the repositories :)
[10:43] <nikkia> and as my 'languages compiled and thus not sucky for millisecond accurate apps' list in umbrello consists of Ada and C++, i think i'm stuck with C++
[11:01] <laser_tk> &
[11:01] <laser_tk> damn
[11:03] <Tm_T> ho
[11:03] <Tm_T> laser_tk: et vaan osaa
[11:03] <Tm_T> ;p
[11:10] <laser_tk> Tm_T: en ni..:D
[11:10] <Tm_T> =)
[11:10] <_fen> hi can somone give me a list of the init modes for ubuntu
[11:10] <spiral> _fen: same as debian
[11:11] <_fen> ok what are they please?
[11:11] <spiral> _fen: see http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html
[11:11] <_fen> ty :)
[11:12] <_fen> thanks
[11:30] <amywilson> well I have struck out twice now on trying to install the java 
[11:45] <Brydenn[WU] > hey guys
[11:45] <Brydenn[WU] > have a question :)
[11:45] <Brydenn[WU] > i just installed FireFox via the package manager
[11:45] <Brydenn[WU] > but its version 1.0.2
[11:46] <Brydenn[WU] > how do i update that and get the latest release?
[11:46] <gdh> correct. that's the newest version in Kubuntu
[11:46] <gdh> security fixes have been applied already.
[11:46] <pv_> wait until autumn ;)
[11:46] <SQFreak> he could enable backports.
[11:47] <Brydenn[WU] > so are you saying this is the latest stable version of FireFox... for Unbuntu?
[11:49] <kalenedrael> yes
[11:49] <Brydenn[WU] > k i'll just stick with that then until they make a new Kunbuntu package
[11:49] <Brydenn[WU] > hehe, i'm too new to this stuff to be messing around that much
[11:50] <Brydenn[WU] > thank you though
[11:54] <Tm_T> Brydenn[WU] : it's technically 1.0.4 with just other version number
[11:54] <Tm_T> same thing
[11:55] <amywilson> yes it is the latest stable version of firefox but the version number is incorrect there is a thread on that it will direct you too which has the fix to be able to install themes and so on 
[11:56] <Brydenn[WU] > oh i see
[11:57] <Brydenn[WU] > whats the command to save something in VI
[11:57] <Brydenn[WU] > been too long since ive had a programming class heh
[12:00] <nikkia> :w   :w! (to force)   :wq or :x to write and quit