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| Treenaks | hi | 02:42 |
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| Treenaks | what's " Dutch, Middle (ca. 1050-1350) " doing in my Preferred Languages list? | 02:42 |
| jamesh | Treenaks: is it listed in any of the other boxes on the right on https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta/ ? | 02:47 |
| Treenaks | jamesh: not by default I think | 02:47 |
| Treenaks | let me see | 02:48 |
| Treenaks | no | 02:48 |
| jamesh | Treenaks: I mean, is it listed in the "languages in Countryname" or "your browser languages" boxes | 02:48 |
| Treenaks | jamesh: no | 02:48 |
| Treenaks | jamesh: though "Dutch" is listed as both "Dutch" and "Dutch (Netherlands)" | 02:48 |
| Treenaks | (there's a Dutch (Belgium), which is supposed to be 99% identical, except for some expressions) | 02:49 |
| jamesh | Treenaks: the default language selection is based on your IP address (using GeoIP data) and browser language preferences | 02:50 |
| Treenaks | jamesh: they're right, I just don't understand why Dutch is split up like that | 02:50 |
| Treenaks | jamesh: it isn't in most upstream packages | 02:51 |
| carlos | Treenaks, because one is related to your country and the other is country 'agnostic' | 02:51 |
| jamesh | Treenaks: if there are both "Dutch" and "Dutch (Netherlands)" translations for an app, ones from the country specific message catalog get picked in preference to the plain "Dutch" ones | 02:52 |
| Treenaks | jamesh: ok, it might be good to specify that on the "Select your preferred languages" page, so translators choose the right one | 02:53 |
| carlos | Treenaks, jamesh, : Usually, if there are translations for both, it's because an UI bug we had in Rosetta. We are going to implemente a way to merge both | 02:53 |
| Treenaks | ? | 02:53 |
| carlos | Treenaks, hmm, yeah, a small text explaining that would be a good idea, could you file a bug report about it at https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/products/rosetta/+bugs ? | 02:54 |
| jamesh | Treenaks: by having both the generic and specifc languages selected, it'll make sure you get offered a PO file whether the app has "Dutch" translations or "Dutch (Netherlands)" too. | 02:54 |
| daf | you shouldn't be seeing "Dutch (Netherlands)" | 02:54 |
| carlos | jamesh, but by default it makes no sense to have Dutch (Netherlands) | 02:54 |
| carlos | jamesh, because translations will not be shared with other countries that also speak Dutch | 02:55 |
| JanC | "dutch, middle" does make even less sense | 02:55 |
| jamesh | carlos: so is there no sense in having en_GB? :) | 02:55 |
| JanC | as nobody speaks it since about 1350 :-P | 02:55 |
| carlos | jamesh, that's a corner case ;-) | 02:55 |
| carlos | JanC, well, we have it, if someone wants to translate into it... :-P | 02:56 |
| carlos | JanC, which country code is it? | 02:56 |
| carlos | sorry | 02:56 |
| Treenaks | carlos: nl | 02:56 |
| carlos | JanC, which language code is it? | 02:56 |
| jamesh | JanC: It probably has about as many speakers as Klingon | 02:56 |
| JanC | no idea, Treenaks says he sees it | 02:56 |
| carlos | :-P | 02:57 |
| jamesh | "dum" | 02:57 |
| JanC | in his default preferred languages list | 02:57 |
| Treenaks | carlos: Dutch is nl_NL and nl_BE, but I've never seen separate translations for those | 02:57 |
| Treenaks | daf: I see "Dutch (Netherlands)" in the "Select your preferred languages" screen and in the "Languages in netherlands" box | 02:57 |
| daf | hmm, it's a bug | 02:59 |
| carlos | Treenaks, both are Dutch | 02:59 |
| jamesh | Treenaks: some of the languages in the preferred languages list are probably there because of non-translation related locale data is stored for them | 02:59 |
| carlos | Treenaks, but one is talked in Netherlands and the other in Belgium? (not sure if that's the country name in english) | 03:00 |
| jamesh | e.g. LC_MONEY, etc | 03:00 |
| carlos | Treenaks, both are Dutch, right, and thus, you should translate into Dutch | 03:00 |
| carlos | Treenaks, but there are sometimes, as jamesh says that you need to translate it for an especific country | 03:00 |
| Treenaks | carlos: nl_BE is spoken in Belgium, and nl_NL is spoken in the Netherlands, but both are Dutch, and I've never seen separate translations | 03:01 |
| carlos | Treenaks, then just translate into Dutch | 03:01 |
| carlos | Treenaks, is the same with es_ES, es_MX, es_CL, etc... | 03:01 |
| carlos | Treenaks, we only use 'es' | 03:01 |
| Treenaks | carlos: and en_US/en_GB/etc | 03:01 |
| Treenaks | I guess | 03:01 |
| carlos | not really | 03:02 |
| carlos | in that case | 03:02 |
| carlos | en_GB does some updates | 03:02 |
| carlos | like change color by colour | 03:02 |
| carlos | Treenaks, that's what I said about changes applied only to one country | 03:02 |
| jamesh | carlos: at least we aren't listing en@quot and en@boldquot ... | 03:02 |
| carlos | jamesh, not yet :-P | 03:02 |
| carlos | jamesh, but the variants will appear if they exists | 03:03 |
| carlos | when we add support to them | 03:03 |
| jamesh | carlos: those two are useless variants introduced by the gettext maintainer, unless I'm mistaken | 03:03 |
| carlos | Treenaks, anyway, your point is valid, please file a bug and we will try to clarify it a bit in the language chooser | 03:03 |
| Treenaks | carlos: ok | 03:03 |
| carlos | jamesh, those should not be stored into the sources as are autogenerated files | 03:04 |
| jamesh | carlos: they are handled by a sed script, that converts straight quotes in msgids to UTF-8 curly quotes in the msgstrs | 03:04 |
| carlos | jamesh, yeah, I know ;-) | 03:04 |
| jamesh | carlos: the boldquot one seems particularly useless for modern graphical apps -- it makes the quotes bold using terminal escape codes | 03:08 |
| carlos | jamesh, well, it's the maintainer who decides if those .po files should be generated or not | 03:11 |
| carlos | for instnace, we are not using them with GNOME | 03:11 |
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