=== bradb [~bradb@modemcable082.64-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === asgeirf [~asgeirf@203-206-230-28.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #launchpad === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #launchpad === warthylog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #launchpad === Topic for #launchpad: Discussion with launchpad users and developers. || Includes Rosetta and Malone. || Register for your account on https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/+login === Topic (#launchpad): set by SteveA at Sun May 22 15:16:11 2005 === lamont is now known as lamont-away === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === Nafallo [nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #launchpad === jamesh [~james@203-59-251-126.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #launchpad === bradb-away [~bradb@modemcable082.64-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-117.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #launchpad === superted [~superted@213.167.101.222] has joined #launchpad === asmodai [~asmodai@sakko.demon.nl] has joined #launchpad === spiv [~andrew@fuchsia.puzzling.org] has joined #launchpad === daf [daf@muse.19inch.net] has joined #launchpad === superted [~superted@213.167.101.222] has joined #launchpad === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-117.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #launchpad === asmodai [~asmodai@sakko.demon.nl] has joined #LaunchPad === bradb-away [~bradb@modemcable082.64-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === JanC [~janc@dD5764B58.access.telenet.be] has joined #launchpad === SteveA [~steve@dhcp-246-207.nomad.chalmers.se] has joined #launchpad === SteveA_ [~steve@dhcp-246-125.nomad.chalmers.se] has joined #launchpad === ChanServ [ChanServ@services.] has joined #launchpad === superted [~superted@213.167.101.222] has joined #launchpad === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #launchpad === lifeless [~robertc@dsl-211.17.240.220.rns02-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #launchpad === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #launchpad === Kinnison [~dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #launchpad === lamont-away [~lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #launchpad === spiv [~andrew@fuchsia.puzzling.org] has joined #launchpad === salgado [~salgado@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === SteveA [~steve@dhcp-246-207.nomad.chalmers.se] has joined #launchpad === JanC [~janc@dD5764B58.access.telenet.be] has joined #launchpad === SteveA_ [~steve@dhcp-246-125.nomad.chalmers.se] has joined #launchpad === SteveA__ [~steve@dhcp-246-125.nomad.chalmers.se] has joined #launchpad === Treenaks [~martijn@messy.foodfight.org] has joined #launchpad [02:42] hi [02:42] what's " Dutch, Middle (ca. 1050-1350) " doing in my Preferred Languages list? [02:47] Treenaks: is it listed in any of the other boxes on the right on https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta/ ? [02:47] jamesh: not by default I think [02:48] let me see [02:48] no [02:48] Treenaks: I mean, is it listed in the "languages in Countryname" or "your browser languages" boxes [02:48] jamesh: no [02:48] jamesh: though "Dutch" is listed as both "Dutch" and "Dutch (Netherlands)" [02:49] (there's a Dutch (Belgium), which is supposed to be 99% identical, except for some expressions) [02:50] Treenaks: the default language selection is based on your IP address (using GeoIP data) and browser language preferences [02:50] jamesh: they're right, I just don't understand why Dutch is split up like that [02:51] jamesh: it isn't in most upstream packages [02:51] Treenaks, because one is related to your country and the other is country 'agnostic' [02:52] Treenaks: if there are both "Dutch" and "Dutch (Netherlands)" translations for an app, ones from the country specific message catalog get picked in preference to the plain "Dutch" ones [02:53] jamesh: ok, it might be good to specify that on the "Select your preferred languages" page, so translators choose the right one [02:53] Treenaks, jamesh, : Usually, if there are translations for both, it's because an UI bug we had in Rosetta. We are going to implemente a way to merge both [02:53] ? [02:54] Treenaks, hmm, yeah, a small text explaining that would be a good idea, could you file a bug report about it at https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/products/rosetta/+bugs ? [02:54] Treenaks: by having both the generic and specifc languages selected, it'll make sure you get offered a PO file whether the app has "Dutch" translations or "Dutch (Netherlands)" too. [02:54] you shouldn't be seeing "Dutch (Netherlands)" [02:54] jamesh, but by default it makes no sense to have Dutch (Netherlands) [02:55] jamesh, because translations will not be shared with other countries that also speak Dutch [02:55] "dutch, middle" does make even less sense [02:55] carlos: so is there no sense in having en_GB? :) [02:55] as nobody speaks it since about 1350 :-P [02:55] jamesh, that's a corner case ;-) [02:56] JanC, well, we have it, if someone wants to translate into it... :-P [02:56] JanC, which country code is it? [02:56] sorry [02:56] carlos: nl [02:56] JanC, which language code is it? [02:56] JanC: It probably has about as many speakers as Klingon [02:56] no idea, Treenaks says he sees it [02:57] :-P [02:57] "dum" [02:57] in his default preferred languages list [02:57] carlos: Dutch is nl_NL and nl_BE, but I've never seen separate translations for those [02:57] daf: I see "Dutch (Netherlands)" in the "Select your preferred languages" screen and in the "Languages in netherlands" box [02:59] hmm, it's a bug [02:59] Treenaks, both are Dutch [02:59] Treenaks: some of the languages in the preferred languages list are probably there because of non-translation related locale data is stored for them [03:00] Treenaks, but one is talked in Netherlands and the other in Belgium? (not sure if that's the country name in english) [03:00] e.g. LC_MONEY, etc [03:00] Treenaks, both are Dutch, right, and thus, you should translate into Dutch [03:00] Treenaks, but there are sometimes, as jamesh says that you need to translate it for an especific country [03:01] carlos: nl_BE is spoken in Belgium, and nl_NL is spoken in the Netherlands, but both are Dutch, and I've never seen separate translations [03:01] Treenaks, then just translate into Dutch [03:01] Treenaks, is the same with es_ES, es_MX, es_CL, etc... [03:01] Treenaks, we only use 'es' [03:01] carlos: and en_US/en_GB/etc [03:01] I guess [03:02] not really [03:02] in that case [03:02] en_GB does some updates [03:02] like change color by colour [03:02] Treenaks, that's what I said about changes applied only to one country [03:02] carlos: at least we aren't listing en@quot and en@boldquot ... [03:02] jamesh, not yet :-P [03:03] jamesh, but the variants will appear if they exists [03:03] when we add support to them [03:03] carlos: those two are useless variants introduced by the gettext maintainer, unless I'm mistaken [03:03] Treenaks, anyway, your point is valid, please file a bug and we will try to clarify it a bit in the language chooser [03:03] carlos: ok [03:04] jamesh, those should not be stored into the sources as are autogenerated files [03:04] carlos: they are handled by a sed script, that converts straight quotes in msgids to UTF-8 curly quotes in the msgstrs [03:04] jamesh, yeah, I know ;-) [03:08] carlos: the boldquot one seems particularly useless for modern graphical apps -- it makes the quotes bold using terminal escape codes [03:11] jamesh, well, it's the maintainer who decides if those .po files should be generated or not [03:11] for instnace, we are not using them with GNOME === JanC [~janc@dD5764B58.access.telenet.be] has joined #launchpad === JanC [~janc@JanC.member.lugwv] has joined #launchpad === lamont-away is now known as lamont === lamont is now known as lamont-away === lamont [~lamont@15.238.5.143] has joined #launchpad