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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:ogra] : Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-love for getting involved | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | If you have unexpectedly lost editbugs privileges, talk to mdz/ogra/kiko | BugDay !! June 29 2005 in #ubuntu-bugs join in, go squash ! | ||
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| Omni | could anyone help me with a prism2 usb wifi adapter and hostap? | 12:17 |
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| KaiL_ | wrong channel, that's someting for #ubuntu | 12:17 |
| KaiL_ | +h | 12:18 |
| Omni | sorry | 12:18 |
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| ogra | seb128, join #ubuntu-bugs, its for you :) | 12:24 |
| seb128 | ogra: what is for me? | 12:24 |
| ogra | #ubuntu-bugs :) should fell like home ;) | 12:25 |
| seb128 | a bug squash without notice on the day where bugzilla.gnome.org box is beeing moved? no thanks | 12:25 |
| ogra | feel even | 12:25 |
| tseng | can someone remind me what UVF really means to me as a maintainer | 12:31 |
| ogra | tseng, no new upstream version | 12:32 |
| tseng | it would be sortof crap if I couldnt put in the next beagle | 12:32 |
| tseng | etc | 12:32 |
| ogra | tseng, only with approval | 12:32 |
| tseng | I see. | 12:32 |
| \sh | hmmm....can someone translate this for me: http://mnm.uib.es/gallir/posts/2005/06/24/343/ | 12:38 |
| tseng | i do not like the stucture of Debian | 12:40 |
| tseng | the second sentence is harder :P | 12:41 |
| uniq | Too much democracy is sometimes bleak and it does not allow you to continue advancing. | 12:41 |
| uniq | says. babelfish.altavista.com | 12:41 |
| tseng | that sounds close | 12:41 |
| \sh | yes...but the comments are not making any sense to me ;) | 12:41 |
| restrex | sh me :) | 12:42 |
| restrex | \sh what do you want to know? | 12:42 |
| azeem | \sh: probably he says you have not much knowledge on how Debian works, if you think it's a democrazy | 12:42 |
| \sh | hmmm..i should learn spanish | 12:43 |
| \sh | so i can answer him ;) | 12:43 |
| restrex | \sh aprende pues ;) | 12:43 |
| restrex | well | 12:44 |
| \sh | hehe..I was surprised to get many hits from this site | 12:44 |
| restrex | there appears that somebody called Stephan Hermann | 12:44 |
| restrex | said that he doesn't like debian estructure | 12:44 |
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| \sh | restrex: thx :) | 12:47 |
| ogra | \sh, he qoutes this: ...nd it's also a matter why I don't like the Debian structure. Too much of democracy is sometimes hopeless and stops you from going further. | 12:47 |
| \sh | ogra: jajaja ;) I know what I wrote ;) | 12:47 |
| restrex | there appears that somebody called Stephan Hermann said that he doesn't like debian estructure and said that it's so much democracy that sometimes doesn't allow you to advance | 12:48 |
| restrex | :) | 12:48 |
| restrex | sorry mi english \sh | 12:48 |
| restrex | :p | 12:48 |
| restrex | some comments are negative :) | 12:49 |
| ogra | restrex, which is very much out of context :) since he compares debian "democracy" to ubuntu "dictatorship" | 12:49 |
| ogra | this qoute doesnt credit that.... sadly | 12:50 |
| restrex | hmm the guy who posted says that ubuntu exits 'cause exits debian, and that kind of comments criticing debian it's not valid (im only translating him idea) | 12:51 |
| restrex | are not valid | 12:51 |
| daniels | and, indeed, ubuntu would not exist without debian | 12:51 |
| ogra | sure | 12:52 |
| \sh | and I never said, that debian is evil...(as one of my comments on my blog tried to say)...so I put it right in another article...anyways | 12:52 |
| ajmitch | the MOTUs would have a very hard time without debian, especially | 12:53 |
| \sh | I should drink some beer with martin in oldenburg... | 12:54 |
| restrex | \sh ye, he only wanted to critique you, 'cause there aren't so good argumentents, only a: "ubuntu exists 'cause exits debian" | 12:54 |
| restrex | that's only a debian fan comment, you have to understand that :) | 12:55 |
| restrex | on the commnets there are people that don't think like him :) | 12:55 |
| === ajmitch is a debian fan also, but doesn't talk like that :) | ||
| === \sh is going to be PC: \sh 's a fan of debian, redhat, suse, mandriva, sun, ubuntu, gentoo, archlinux, damnsmalllinux, damnbiglinux, livelinux,offlinelinux, whateverlinux ;) | ||
| \sh | anylinux i forgot? well, yes, goingtobedlinux :) | 12:58 |
| Mithrandir | what about opensolaris? | 12:58 |
| restrex | wuahahha | 12:58 |
| \sh | so g'night :) | 12:58 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: sleep tight. :-) | 12:58 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: I'm a joerg schiling fan as well ,-) | 12:59 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: sick bastard. :-) | 12:59 |
| restrex | :o | 12:59 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: hahaha | 12:59 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: sad, that bsdi doesn't exist anymore...:( | 12:59 |
| \sh | so...off to bed | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | night \sh | 01:00 |
| Burgundavia | mdz, who would I talk to about wiki improvements? | 01:00 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, hno73 | 01:01 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 01:01 |
| Burgundavia | mdz, nev ind | 01:01 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, there is a feature request wikipage | 01:01 |
| Burgundavia | ogra, yes | 01:01 |
| Burgundavia | ogra, I was talking with upstream moin about a feature | 01:01 |
| ogra | use it :) | 01:01 |
| Burgundavia | they liked it | 01:02 |
| ogra | ah | 01:02 |
| Burgundavia | said it would take about an hour of dev time | 01:02 |
| Burgundavia | I was wondering who to whinge to about paying that person (a moin dev) to do it | 01:02 |
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| doko | ogra: about the bug squashing party ... there are still about 15 C++ libs not yet converted / buildable on breezy and about 500 reverse depends on libstdc++5 without an explicite build dependency on g++-3.3 or libstdc++5-3.4-dev. Many of them are packages with patches in Debian, which are not applied in Ubuntu. The rest needs to be sorted out to C++ problem/xorg reorg problem/dpkg-architecture problem. I don't know if fixes for thes | 01:54 |
| doko | e kind of bugs are sexy enough, but you may want to propose them | 01:54 |
| mdke | doko, he just went to bed i think | 01:56 |
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| lamont__ | daniels: ping | 02:19 |
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| === toresbe sings in front of lamont__ | ||
| === lamont__ wonders if there are known bugs in AD1981B OSS + mplayer | ||
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-love for getting involved | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | If you have unexpectedly lost editbugs privileges, talk to mdz/ogra/kiko | BugDay !! June 29 2005 in #ubuntu-bugs join in, go squash ! | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by ogra at Wed Jun 29 00:09:35 2005 | ||
| mpt | jdub: busy? | 06:12 |
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| fabbione | morning | 06:16 |
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| minghua | Hi, I am wondering how unstable is synchronized with breezy right now | 06:24 |
| minghua | since the freetype 2.1.10-1 in unstable is broken | 06:24 |
| minghua | see debian bug #314385 and #316031 | 06:25 |
| minghua | breezy should stick to freetype 2.1.7 | 06:25 |
| minghua | and wait for this to be sorted out | 06:25 |
| daniels | lamont: pong, ish | 06:26 |
| daniels | lamont: my laptop's hard drive blew up today, so I'm kind of limited | 06:26 |
| lamont | daniels: heh | 06:26 |
| lamont | ouch | 06:26 |
| daniels | and got to remember how to crimp cat5 | 06:26 |
| daniels | it's about a 20m run from my desktop to the AP | 06:26 |
| lamont | was wondering if you could (in email, even) rattle off the list of packages that have been split out of xorg | 06:26 |
| minghua | hmm, maybe it should be "how breezy is synced with unstable"? anyway, I think everyone understands me | 06:26 |
| daniels | lamont: in email, no | 06:26 |
| daniels | lamont: irc, yes (bear in mind my email lives on my laptop ...) | 06:26 |
| lamont | daniels: here is fine to, or in /msg | 06:27 |
| daniels | lamont: x11proto-*-dev, libxau, libxdmcp, libice, libsm, libx11, libxext | 06:27 |
| daniels | libxfixes, libxdamage and libxcomposite are next on my hit list | 06:27 |
| daniels | oh, also xtrans | 06:27 |
| daniels | and xterm | 06:27 |
| daniels | and xfonts-core :) | 06:27 |
| lamont | daniels: plan is to queue those ahead of xorg... and then pester you about what we really want to do about the ones that are non-PIC-in-shlib | 06:28 |
| daniels | lamont: hrm | 06:28 |
| daniels | surely libtool should take care of all this | 06:28 |
| lamont | minghua: breezy has freetype_2.1.7-2.4ubuntu1, so manual effort will be required to get the debian version. | 06:28 |
| lamont | daniels: choices are (1) provide a .so, (2) provide a _pic.a, (3) don't link that lib | 06:29 |
| lamont | in at least some cases, it's really (1) but there's a missing build-dep | 06:29 |
| minghua | lamont: yes I saw that breezy is fine right now, I am just here to raise the alarm | 06:29 |
| lamont | er, "some cases" == some cases across the entire archive, not necessarily specifically xorg | 06:29 |
| minghua | lamont: I hope the developers are already aware of this | 06:29 |
| lamont | minghua: whoever does the merge will hopefully note that there are RC bugs in the debian version before they upload... if those debian bugs are RC, then they're already in ubuntu | 06:30 |
| lamont | er, in the bts, that is. | 06:30 |
| lamont | right then. sleep | 06:30 |
| daniels | lamont: we already provide a .so | 06:31 |
| jdub | yo lamont | 06:31 |
| lamont | daniels: coolness | 06:31 |
| lamont | jdub: sup? she's gonna kill me if I don't leave soon | 06:31 |
| minghua | lamont: Okay, there is a RC bug, so things should be fine. Thanks for the explanation. | 06:31 |
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| mxpxpod | does anyone else get a relocation error when using the workspace switcher applet on ppc in breezy? | 06:34 |
| lamont | jdub: /msg or something - I'll probably wander past again in about 60-120 minutes or so | 06:34 |
| jdub | lamont: just saying yo :) | 06:34 |
| lamont-away | jdub: heh. yo back at ya. :-) | 06:34 |
| lamont-away | and hello to the nice lady, too | 06:34 |
| jdub | lamont-away: she sends hugs :) | 06:35 |
| === lamont-away sleeps | ||
| Burgundavia | salut jdub | 06:36 |
| jdub | yo | 06:36 |
| jdub | much yo | 06:36 |
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| whiprush | yo jdub | 06:38 |
| jdub | YO! | 06:39 |
| Treenaks | yo all | 06:39 |
| mxpxpod | oy | 06:40 |
| whiprush | jdub: I take it you maintain planet ubuntu? | 06:43 |
| jdub | yeah | 06:44 |
| jdub | though i don't have shell access to it | 06:44 |
| jdub | which can be annoying at times | 06:44 |
| whiprush | can I get syndicated? I have some cool ubuntu stuff I'd like to blog ... and since I'm blogging about ubuntu 90% of the time anyway ... | 06:44 |
| jdub | whiprush: are you a member yet? (you should be) | 06:45 |
| whiprush | yep | 06:45 |
| jdub | ahr! | 06:45 |
| jdub | dude, why didn't you say? :) | 06:45 |
| whiprush | heh. | 06:45 |
| jdub | i'll add you now, but it has to wait on elmo love to update | 06:46 |
| whiprush | <3 | 06:46 |
| whiprush | I've been kind of out of the loop, been doing lots of loco stuff locally. | 06:47 |
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| nails | daniels, heya, decided to stalk you for an X question | 06:49 |
| nails | daniels, will R7 use regular pathnames - /usr/bin etc? | 06:49 |
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| jdub | whiprush: added | 06:51 |
| jdub | elmo: please update planet -> can we work out something better for this? | 06:51 |
| whiprush | woo, thx. | 06:52 |
| daniels | nails: yeah, fo'sho | 06:55 |
| daniels | nails: no more /usr/X11R6 | 06:55 |
| nails | sweet. | 06:56 |
| nails | sun will melt. | 06:56 |
| daniels | heh | 06:57 |
| daniels | well, we already started that with XF86Config-4 -> xorg.conf | 06:57 |
| daniels | the compromise was leaving it in /etc/X11 | 06:57 |
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| robitaille | jdub: for planet.u.c: http://www3.telus.net/robitaille/hackergotchi.png | 07:10 |
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| nails | daniels, ok, just as long as you make the new config file use m4 | 07:18 |
| nails | ;^) | 07:18 |
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| daniels | nails: usability++, yo | 07:20 |
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| jsgotangco | whiprush: hey long time no see | 07:35 |
| whiprush | hey man | 07:35 |
| jsgotangco | what's keeping you busy other than the "Ubuntu loco" stuff i've been readin g in the log | 07:36 |
| whiprush | sheer ineptitude. | 07:36 |
| jsgotangco | hahaha | 07:36 |
| jsgotangco | go blam | 07:37 |
| jsgotangco | it just died but the notification icon still lives | 07:37 |
| whiprush | lesson #1 from UDU, don't say "oh sure, I'll help" when you don't have the time. | 07:37 |
| jsgotangco | it doesn't eat up that much time to help out (unless you're really swamped with real work) | 07:39 |
| whiprush | I plan on doing the bug day tomorrow (tomorrow for me), and starting to file down my todo a bit. Just been procastinating. | 07:39 |
| === jsgotangco hugs his emacs planner for keeping him on track | ||
| whiprush | on the plus side our LoCo's been growing. Up top over 20 people now. | 07:40 |
| jsgotangco | wow that's news | 07:41 |
| whiprush | It's kind of odd, I've ran into three C/GTK dudes in the past few weeks that are just "looking for a way to help." | 07:41 |
| jsgotangco | oh i know the feeling, i've encoutered those types recently | 07:42 |
| whiprush | So we're starting to organize activities around that. Hopefully get funding from my University to get us all to a GNOME thing in NY or Boston where I can point them to mentors or something. | 07:42 |
| jsgotangco | at least you have access to potential funding... | 07:43 |
| whiprush | heh | 07:45 |
| whiprush | We've been slowly converting professors over to Ubuntu for their research work. Hopefully they'll include Ubuntu in their biblios. | 07:47 |
| whiprush | All these math people seem to seek out linux for fortran compilers and whatnot, they're kind of ripe targets. | 07:47 |
| whiprush | jsgotangco: and how are things in the phillipines? | 07:50 |
| jsgotangco | major bummer dude, its like Watergate here in the political side | 07:51 |
| whiprush | Heh, I meant on the Ubuntu front. | 07:51 |
| jsgotangco | wiretapped materials on the president heh | 07:52 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 07:52 |
| whiprush | heh | 07:52 |
| jsgotangco | oh we had our loco running and will be sponsoring software freedom day | 07:52 |
| whiprush | good good | 07:52 |
| whiprush | we're doing an installfest on SFD here. | 07:52 |
| jsgotangco | on the docteam side, we'll be starting our regular meeting tommorow at 14UTC | 07:52 |
| whiprush | good good. | 07:53 |
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| jsgotangco | that should end those CAN! CANNOT! threads on the list | 07:53 |
| whiprush | heh | 07:54 |
| whiprush | You guys did the wiki transition right? Your team? | 07:54 |
| jsgotangco | well not really, it was henrik's project he's a canonical guy but some people helped out on the transition scripts | 07:55 |
| whiprush | cool | 07:55 |
| ajmitch | hey whiprush, jsgotangco | 07:55 |
| jsgotangco | i don't really mess up with the former wiki but the moin wiki now is actually great | 07:55 |
| jsgotangco | it still has some bugs though | 07:55 |
| jsgotangco | ajmitch: hey | 07:55 |
| whiprush | hey aj | 07:55 |
| jsgotangco | (some people still like mediawiki though) | 07:56 |
| === jsgotangco is a mediawiki closet practitioner | ||
| whiprush | I'm a mediawiki fan, but at this stage I'd settle for "don't change it again please." | 07:56 |
| jsgotangco | yeah moin is actually great | 07:56 |
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| === Burgundavia grumbles at gimp | ||
| === Burgundavia grumbles at fspot | ||
| Burgundavia | fspot will not import the bloody image | 08:05 |
| Burgundavia | gah | 08:05 |
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| pitti | Morning | 08:11 |
| marilize | morning | 08:13 |
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| === infinity grumbles about the old xlibmesa-glu in the archive that needs to be removed. | ||
| infinity | elmo / kamion ---^ | 08:31 |
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| \sh | can someone remove gmetadom_0.2.2-3ubuntu2 from the buildd asap? there is an error inside :( | 08:51 |
| infinity | Too late, dude, it's already installed. | 08:51 |
| \sh | *grmpf* | 08:52 |
| \sh | anyways...preparing ubuntu3 | 08:52 |
| infinity | Alright, I re-froze the two things that were supposed to build against it, so no harm done, really. | 08:53 |
| \sh | i'm too tired and my eyes playing games with me :( annoying this | 08:54 |
| \sh | I need some holidays | 08:54 |
| infinity | Oo, oo, me too! Send me some! | 08:55 |
| daniels | at that price, I'll take two | 08:55 |
| \sh | beginning of september I'll take 2 weeks off...but I need to think about the place where I want to stay... | 08:56 |
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| \sh | ivoks: what r u doing from the 2nd of September +2 weeks? I think I need to visit croatia and need a place to sleep ;) | 09:01 |
| ivoks | :) | 09:01 |
| ivoks | \sh: 2 weeks? :) | 09:02 |
| ivoks | i think i'll be able to manage something... | 09:02 |
| \sh | ivoks: i don't really know...depends on my money ;) | 09:02 |
| \sh | one week minimum :) | 09:02 |
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| ivoks | so... what's your motivation to come here? :) | 09:03 |
| \sh | ivoks: holiday :) | 09:04 |
| \sh | ivoks: u know this stuff: relaxing, reading, looking out for a new Mrs. \sh | 09:04 |
| \sh | forget the new Mrs. \sh | 09:05 |
| ivoks | :) | 09:06 |
| \sh | coffee first... | 09:06 |
| ivoks | well, i'm in continental part of croatia | 09:06 |
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| cameron | hey | 09:13 |
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| cameron | the ubuntu laptop team is in this channel, correct? | 09:14 |
| pitti_ | Hi cameron | 09:14 |
| cameron | i am thinking about buying a powerbook, and i am wondering how compatable they are with ubuntu | 09:15 |
| cameron | what advice would you have for me? | 09:15 |
| cameron | hi pitti | 09:15 |
| cameron | hi pitti_ * | 09:15 |
| pitti_ | cameron: #ubuntu | 09:15 |
| cameron | so sorry.. good day! | 09:15 |
| pitti_ | cameron: well, many of us are using pbs, I'm using an iBook | 09:15 |
| cameron | is ther any of the hardware that is incompatable? | 09:16 |
| pitti_ | cameron: the airport extreme doesn't work, but the rest works pretty well | 09:16 |
| cameron | i was planning on usin\g an orinoco anyway | 09:16 |
| fabbione | daniels: can we please get the xterm default colors back? | 09:17 |
| daniels | fabbione: can you what the what? | 09:17 |
| fabbione | daniels: xterm default colors are white fg and black bg | 09:17 |
| cameron | pitti, thanks for your help | 09:17 |
| fabbione | the latest xterm is fg black on greish bg | 09:17 |
| pitti | fabbione: btw, since breezy's 2.6.10 kernel has a lot of outstanding vulns, shall we demote it to universe? | 09:18 |
| daniels | er, xterm default colours are black fg, white bg | 09:18 |
| fabbione | pitti: we can just remove it | 09:18 |
| fabbione | pitti: completely | 09:18 |
| pitti | even better | 09:18 |
| fabbione | daniels: and get -rv to work again.. :) | 09:18 |
| fabbione | daniels: either one or the other ;) | 09:18 |
| daniels | fabbione: will check it out; -fg white -bg black should make you happy in the meantime | 09:20 |
| fabbione | daniels: yeah i did that already... :) | 09:20 |
| daniels | but yeah, upstream's default colours have been like that forever | 09:21 |
| fabbione | not in our xterm... | 09:21 |
| fabbione | i used to execute just xterm and get white fg and black bg | 09:22 |
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| fabbione | the net is going to be highly unstable soon | 09:24 |
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| pitti | Hey chmj, good morning | 09:37 |
| chmj | good morning pitti | 09:37 |
| pitti | chmj: could you check whether we can sync wget? the new debian version has security fixes | 09:37 |
| chmj | i already asked elmo for a sync | 09:38 |
| pitti | ah, thanks | 09:39 |
| infinity | Didn't ours have aun updated translation or two? | 09:39 |
| infinity | s/aun/an/ | 09:40 |
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| pitti | infinity: that should have been the translation from upstream, wasn't it? | 09:43 |
| infinity | Oh, yes. It was. Didn't realise that Debian had a new upstream version finally. | 09:43 |
| infinity | In that case, nevermind. :) | 09:44 |
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| doko | infinity: the last batch of uploads reduced the libstdc++5 rdepends from 880 to 530. Now we know which packages need manual fixing. | 10:14 |
| infinity | doko : I noticed. | 10:16 |
| \sh | doko: cxx stuff? | 10:16 |
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| doko | \sh: yes | 10:16 |
| \sh | 530 packs? | 10:16 |
| infinity | 530 rdeps. Some may be from the same source packages. Hopefully. :) | 10:17 |
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| infinity | I've got 427 on powerpc... | 10:17 |
| infinity | That's a lot of i386-specific C++ packages... Or doko's count is old. | 10:18 |
| === \sh has 610 rdeps on stdc++5 | ||
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| daniels | daniels@brainfreeze:~/Maildir% offlineimap -u Curses.Blinkenlights | 10:20 |
| daniels | offlineimap -u Curses.Blinkenlights 159.90s user 15.23s system 3% cpu 1:36:45.33 total | 10:20 |
| daniels | daniels@brainfreeze:~/Maildir% | 10:21 |
| daniels | thank god for mail backups, but that wasn't quick | 10:21 |
| doko | \sh: you are sure, you don't have old libraries installed on your system? apt-cache rdepends libstdc++5|wc -l counts 528, minus the two header lines | 10:24 |
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| elmo | chmj: I don't have any record of a sync request for you from wget | 10:37 |
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| Lathiat | elmo: pitti asked for one yesterday | 10:38 |
| Lathiat | ah,he said he asked | 10:39 |
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| pitti | elmo: yes, I sorted that out with chmj, I asked before he uploaded ubuntu3. It can still be synced, though | 10:40 |
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| pitti | seb128: does the gstreamer polypaudio sink work for you? I get nothing but silence | 10:45 |
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| seb128 | pitti: lemme try, I use alsasink atm | 10:45 |
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| Lathiat | pitti: from what i understand, its only basic | 10:47 |
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| seb128 | pitti: polypaudio doesn't start .. | 10:47 |
| pitti | Lathiat: basic what? | 10:47 |
| Lathiat | pitti: the plugin | 10:47 |
| Lathiat | it should work tho | 10:48 |
| Lathiat | for basic values of workign | 10:48 |
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| pitti | Hi Kamion | 10:50 |
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| Kamion | morning | 10:51 |
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| daniels | Kamion: g'morning | 10:52 |
| fabbione | hey Kamion | 10:52 |
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| Kamion | ogra: good grief, your bug-day mail is a bit ZIPPY the PINHEAD :-) | 10:55 |
| ogra | heh | 10:55 |
| ogra | was it to political ? :) | 10:57 |
| daniels | ogra: i think he means TOTALLY RANDOM words capitalised THROUGHOUT the SENTENCE | 10:58 |
| elmo | too ZIPPY. ZIPPY. | 10:58 |
| Lathiat | argh | 10:58 |
| ogra | ah | 10:58 |
| Lathiat | network manager sucks | 10:58 |
| Lathiat | if i have a cable in, it refuses,no matterhow many times i forceit bac, to stick on the wireless | 10:58 |
| daniels | elmo: at least it was zippy rather than btaf | 10:58 |
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| ogra | yes it was late... i'll do better next time :) | 10:58 |
| Lathiat | imt rying to use my ethernet temporarilyto talk to abox im setting up | 10:58 |
| Lathiat | and its imposible | 10:58 |
| Lathiat | furthermore | 10:58 |
| Lathiat | i had to kill it 15 times before it stopped spawning itself | 10:58 |
| Kamion | apt 0.6.39ubuntu1> hoorah | 10:59 |
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| Kamion | elmo: can we get the extraoverrides patch applied on the ftp-masters? | 10:59 |
| Kamion | (er, both machines, I mean) | 11:00 |
| hunger | Why is python2.4-numarray trying to install gcc-3.4-base? | 11:00 |
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| daniels | Kamion: we can patch ftp-masters? | 11:00 |
| Kamion | patch omnic < useful.patch | 11:00 |
| daniels | Kamion: damnit man, get out of my head | 11:01 |
| Kamion | haha | 11:01 |
| elmo | damn, you guys are HARSH | 11:02 |
| Kamion | elmo: we learnt from the master | 11:03 |
| daniels | Kamion: now if only we could patch elmo | 11:04 |
| daniels | -tuna | 11:04 |
| daniels | -saveloys | 11:04 |
| daniels | +vegetables | 11:04 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: while for you it would be: | 11:07 |
| Mithrandir | -bling | 11:07 |
| Mithrandir | +working x | 11:07 |
| Mithrandir | ? | 11:07 |
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| daniels | hey | 11:10 |
| daniels | x works fine | 11:10 |
| Lathiat | daniels: you back? | 11:11 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: so we can patch you with bling again? :-) | 11:13 |
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| daniels | Lathiat: hm? | 11:21 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: everyone loves bling | 11:21 |
| Lathiat | daniels: from whereever you were hiding making people do dodgy xorg uploads for you :) | 11:22 |
| daniels | oh, germany | 11:22 |
| daniels | hey, I didn't ask for any of those | 11:22 |
| Lathiat | sure but you werent there to stop them! :) | 11:22 |
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| \sh | pitti: ping | 11:31 |
| \sh | thom: ping | 11:31 |
| pitti | \sh: boonngggggg | 11:31 |
| \sh | pitti: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4679 | 11:31 |
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| ogra | pitti, it boog day ! you'll see all this dusty old stuff today :) | 11:33 |
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| pitti | \sh: I know about that, warty is still vulnerable | 11:34 |
| \sh | pitti: ok...and a backport from hoary to warty? | 11:34 |
| pitti | \sh: the pending warty update fixes some 20 vulns, but has a regression that needs to be sorted out first | 11:34 |
| \sh | pitti: k thx 4 the info :) | 11:35 |
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| pitti | \sh: thanks to you guys for cleaning up :-) | 11:35 |
| pitti | oops, I was thrown out of #u-bugs | 11:35 |
| seb128 | just curious, who has decided to do a bug day today? | 11:37 |
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| ogra | seb128, mdz, kiko and me | 11:40 |
| seb128 | k, bad choice guys | 11:40 |
| ogra | seb128, we didnt know about the gnomeaoutage | 11:40 |
| seb128 | just picking the day where gnome.org is down | 11:40 |
| seb128 | you point that for bug triage | 11:40 |
| seb128 | and there is no way to do desktop bug triage | 11:40 |
| seb128 | yeah | 11:40 |
| ogra | seb128, but google chache works... you just cant change gnome bugs, but read them at least | 11:40 |
| seb128 | no communication is bad | 11:41 |
| ogra | seb128, its only the initial bugday... we'll have more of them | 11:41 |
| seb128 | somebody would have send a mail 2 days ago ... | 11:41 |
| seb128 | yeah, but still | 11:41 |
| seb128 | why keeping that private until the bug day ? | 11:42 |
| seb128 | I've read about the bug day when the topic has been changed here ... | 11:42 |
| ogra | seb128, sorry, i planned to announce it earlier... it just didnt work, and its also a bad day for me, since i have to prepare for the edubuntu summit... we'll do better next time, for now we have at least the institution of a bug day... | 11:44 |
| ska-fan | What's the other images in the directory with the isos for the cds that hp ships with its notebooks? HP ships the 0516 version, what are the newer versions? | 11:44 |
| hunger | Who is working on the laptop task for breezy? | 11:46 |
| ogra | hunger, mjg59 | 11:47 |
| hunger | mjg59: My laptop (T43p) does not work very well. What can I do to help fix it? | 11:47 |
| ogra | hunger, there was a announcement of a laptop testplan on the -devel mailling list... with a link to a wikipage ... | 11:48 |
| Kamion | ska-fan: HP will be shipping newer versions | 11:48 |
| hunger | ogra: I'll check... | 11:48 |
| Kamion | ska-fan: we sent 20050627 to the factory for pressing on Monday | 11:48 |
| Kamion | ska-fan: some of the older ones were a different project, that was fully integrated into Hoary | 11:49 |
| HiddenWolf | Kamion, is it expected that they'll ship ubuntu in some volume? | 11:53 |
| HiddenWolf | And how in the lords name did you manage to get in there? :D | 11:53 |
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| Lathiat | Kamion: 2 million hoary cds? | 12:02 |
| seb128 | rofl | 12:03 |
| ogra | heh | 12:03 |
| Lathiat | oh sory | 12:03 |
| Lathiat | 20 million!!! ? | 12:03 |
| Kamion | HiddenWolf: I believe so; I've just been doing the image production, though - I haven't been involved in discussions beyond that | 12:09 |
| Kamion | HiddenWolf: no idea, but I'm not complaining :-) | 12:09 |
| HiddenWolf | Kamion, rock on. :) | 12:11 |
| HiddenWolf | But they're shipping breezy? :S | 12:11 |
| Kamion | HiddenWolf: no, slightly modified hoary | 12:11 |
| Kamion | mjg59's been doing a bunch of hacking for their laptops | 12:11 |
| HiddenWolf | right, cool | 12:12 |
| Kamion | ska-fan: I'm told the 20050516 image was sent out to magazines as a preview | 12:12 |
| ska-fan | Kamion: Ah. So when I need one such CD, and am not getting one from HP, I just use the latest one | 12:13 |
| ska-fan | ? | 12:13 |
| jordi | did I read 20 million? | 12:13 |
| Lathiat | jordi: thats what i read | 12:13 |
| ogra | jordi, yes, someone said that | 12:13 |
| jordi | where? | 12:13 |
| Lathiat | jordi: and 50 thousand ;p | 12:13 |
| HiddenWolf | Kamion, so can you say their laptops are fully supported? | 12:13 |
| ogra | jordi, <Kamion> ska-fan: we sent 20050627 to the factory | 12:14 |
| Lathiat | ogra: that many what, specifically | 12:14 |
| ogra | $$ ? | 12:14 |
| ogra | :) | 12:14 |
| jordi | ogra: err, that's not a quantity, but a date? | 12:14 |
| ska-fan | that's 2005-06-27 = 1972 | 12:14 |
| ogra | hehe | 12:15 |
| Kamion | ska-fan: well, you won't be getting one from HP *just* yet because they haven't been pressed yet - it's not HP's fault :) | 12:15 |
| ogra | jordi, it was a joke, yes | 12:15 |
| Kamion | ska-fan: 20050627 should be fine, though, yes | 12:15 |
| jordi | ogra: I'm veeery slow today | 12:15 |
| jordi | ogra: I just said on a ml that apt 0.6 verifies sigs in .debs :) | 12:15 |
| ska-fan | Kamion: but the notebooks without windows aren't available yet, too :/ | 12:15 |
| ogra | jordi, dont worry.... blame the heat :) | 12:15 |
| Kamion | ska-fan: I don't know anything about that | 12:15 |
| ogra | jordi, i read debian-gtk-gnome ;) | 12:16 |
| Kamion | Lathiat: oh, er, yes, that was a date, not a number | 12:16 |
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| jordi | ogra: ok :ppp | 12:16 |
| ogra | :) | 12:17 |
| azeem | and see whether ntfs is in there | 12:17 |
| azeem | eh, sorry | 12:17 |
| jordi | ogra: we need to chat about that presentation I'm leading with JaneW. | 12:17 |
| fabbione | and there... new cluster crack all over the place | 12:17 |
| ogra | jordi, have you had a look at my first proposal ? | 12:18 |
| jordi | ogra: for apps? yeah. It nearly matches our (LliureX) selection | 12:18 |
| ogra | jordi, http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDesktop | 12:19 |
| jordi | I wanted to add a few comments in the iki, but had no time last night | 12:19 |
| ogra | i'm still looking for a easy gui backup tool.... there is absolutely nothing... | 12:20 |
| ogra | i hoe we get a good one with the bounty.... | 12:20 |
| ogra | hope even | 12:20 |
| seb128 | fedora has alsa a bounty for this | 12:21 |
| seb128 | s/alsa/also/ | 12:21 |
| ogra | seb128, geat to hear | 12:21 |
| ogra | great | 12:21 |
| jordi | ogra: yeah, the SoC bounty hopefully helps | 12:21 |
| ogra | i found uberbackup that looks quite good, but sillyness of the world, its written in realbasic... | 12:22 |
| ogra | http://www.mooncheese.org/projects/uberbackup/ | 12:22 |
| azeem | nice name, though | 12:23 |
| ogra | and realbasic source is binary o_O you can only see the real source in the realbasic editor.... | 12:23 |
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| jordi | my mom just told me my grandfather is about to die. Better like this... :/ | 12:24 |
| ogra | :( | 12:24 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i need a fast breefing on d-i if you have time | 12:25 |
| jordi | wow, realbasic is braindead then | 12:25 |
| ogra | jordi, absoultely... | 12:25 |
| Kamion | fabbione: sure? | 12:25 |
| ogra | binary sources *shakes head* | 12:25 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i need to start hacking around partman-auto-lvm.. can i still install it as custom udeb (udpkg -i) and get it to run properly? | 12:25 |
| fabbione | Kamion: if so.. when it's the best moment to do it? | 12:26 |
| fabbione | (i can use netinstall for sake of speed) | 12:26 |
| Kamion | fabbione: udpkg won't work properly because templates won't get registered with cdebconf if you do that; use the boot parameter anna/choose_modules=partman-auto-lvm | 12:26 |
| Kamion | fabbione: but use a scratch machine with nothing valuable on its disks ;-) | 12:26 |
| fabbione | Kamion: that will use the default... what if i need to use a custom one? | 12:27 |
| fabbione | Kamion: yeah clearly i am not going to play with it on my ws :) | 12:27 |
| Kamion | as long as you install the default one first, you can do udpkg -i after that | 12:27 |
| Kamion | providing you don't change templates | 12:27 |
| fabbione | i hope i won't need that | 12:27 |
| Kamion | sorry, we haven't quite managed to figure out how to get debconf-loadtemplate to tell the running cdebconf instance about the new templates - it all gets confusing | 12:28 |
| fabbione | oh it's ok.. i just need to know the way :) | 12:28 |
| Kamion | failing that, fake up a mirror with your custom udeb | 12:28 |
| fabbione | i am not scared of messing round | 12:28 |
| fabbione | around even | 12:28 |
| fabbione | mirror fake isn't an option here... | 12:28 |
| Kamion | no local mirror? | 12:29 |
| fabbione | yes, but it's in use by the sparc buildd | 12:29 |
| Kamion | cp -al :) | 12:29 |
| fabbione | ahha | 12:29 |
| Kamion | you only need the udebs, anyway | 12:29 |
| fabbione | or lvm snapshot? | 12:29 |
| Kamion | or that ... | 12:30 |
| fabbione | yeah one or the other.. let me try the standard install first ;) | 12:30 |
| fabbione | lunch time anyway | 12:31 |
| fabbione | thanks "d-i allmighty" | 12:31 |
| fabbione | ;) | 12:31 |
| Kamion | er, right :) | 12:34 |
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| jordi | ogra: have you explored pythoncad? | 12:38 |
| ogra | jordi, i've looked at the screenshots quite often | 12:39 |
| ogra | but never tried it | 12:39 |
| ogra | jordi, can it cope with qucad (usability wise) ? | 12:40 |
| ogra | s/qucad/qcad | 12:40 |
| jordi | ogra: *nod*. We planned using pythoncad, but we know little about CAD stuff so we can't evaluate it too well. | 12:41 |
| jordi | qcad has the qt dep which is annoying here. | 12:41 |
| jordi | ogra: I don't really know how advanced it is, but there's pythoncad releases every few weeks | 12:41 |
| ogra | yep, i know, but i havent found anything similar yet ... at least nothing i would consider mature enough | 12:41 |
| jordi | yeah, I fear pycad would be a bit too simple. | 12:42 |
| ogra | the same with scribus... passepartout is coming along great, but still feels too young | 12:42 |
| jordi | even so, could be enough for our current scope - schools and high schools | 12:42 |
| jordi | yeah, we ship passepartout, but it not good enough yet. | 12:43 |
| tseng | they are both better than nothing | 12:43 |
| tseng | consider that | 12:43 |
| ogra | tseng, scribus isnt "nothing" | 12:44 |
| tseng | imagine shipping nothing and trying to do it in the gimp | 12:44 |
| jordi | re: bluefish, well, NVU is WYSIWYG, while bluefish is "launch your web browser" :) | 12:44 |
| ogra | as well as qcad | 12:44 |
| hunger | Is there a reason why I must bring up eth0 before being able to log into gnome? | 12:44 |
| jordi | tseng: scribus is pretty cool actually. | 12:44 |
| jordi | hunger: have the lo interface up? | 12:44 |
| ogra | jordi, the people want dreamwaver... nvu is the nearest i guess | 12:44 |
| hunger | jordi: Yes, that was up before I tried. | 12:45 |
| fabbione | Kamion: it's a good start... i can see it gets downloaded, but it doesn't kick in at all :P | 12:45 |
| tseng | hunger: is your hostname in /etc/hosts pointing to the eth0 ip? | 12:45 |
| hunger | tseng: Nope... only 127.0.0.1 is listed there. | 12:46 |
| Kamion | fabbione: you don't get a "Use free space for the Logical Volume Manager" menu entry? | 12:46 |
| seb128 | pitti: debian has polypaudio? that's new? | 12:47 |
| Kamion | fabbione: check for /lib/partman/automatically_partition/60vg_all_free/choices - you might like to hit that with 'set -x' or something | 12:47 |
| Kamion | fabbione: oh, and yay, I have a network interface again ;) | 12:48 |
| jordi | seb128: yeah, got in a week ago or so | 12:48 |
| hunger | I can not log onto gnome on my rather fresh breezy install:-( | 12:48 |
| fabbione | Kamion: no.. i don't get that option.. | 12:48 |
| fabbione | Kamion: yeah dude.. the yesterday's marathon was just to get that in :) | 12:49 |
| jordi | ogra: what about oregano for electronics' | 12:49 |
| jordi | ogra: I'll bring my full list to london so we can discuss | 12:49 |
| ogra | jordi, yeah... | 12:49 |
| ogra | jordi, i havent thought about electronics yet... | 12:49 |
| doko | elmo: please sync java-gcj-compat from incoming. after that, java-gcj-compat-dev needs to be moved out of the NEW queue, and to main (no added stuff, pitti already did look at it). there's currently one package uploaded b-d on java-gcj-compat-dev (gjdoc), so it should be pulled in from the seeds. | 12:50 |
| mdke | hunger, #ubuntu might be able to help you with that | 12:50 |
| hunger | mdke: Good point... thanks. | 12:50 |
| ogra | doko, join #ubuntu-bugs, go and push your C++ stuff ;) | 12:50 |
| Kamion | nggg, apt is broken | 12:51 |
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| fabbione | Kamion: oh here it is.. now i do get the option... | 12:51 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i had to do some weird crack tho... | 12:51 |
| Kamion | doesn't surprise me ... | 12:51 |
| jordi | ogra: gcompris, childsplay for games | 12:52 |
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| jordi | ogra: I'll put this up in the wiki comments | 12:52 |
| ogra | jordi, oh, i forgot that... had gcompris on my initial list | 12:52 |
| seb128 | jordi: the PTS is b0rked? | 12:53 |
| fabbione | Kamion: if what is the real status of that package.. there will be quite a lot of work to be done :) | 12:55 |
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| Kamion | fabbione: sure, it's a prototype | 12:55 |
| fabbione | cool | 12:55 |
| fabbione | i love crack | 12:55 |
| fabbione | food is ready | 12:55 |
| Kamion | fabbione: I'm sure you could get commit access to d-i if you wanted to hack on it there | 12:55 |
| Kamion | or I can just commit your patches, whatever :) | 12:55 |
| seb128 | jordi: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=polypaudio&searchon=names&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all !? | 12:56 |
| fabbione | Kamion: we will see how far i can go first.. i don't mind splitting up patches in simple bits | 12:56 |
| Kamion | seb128: that's not the PTS | 12:57 |
| Kamion | packages.debian.org is an entirely different system - the PTS is packages.qa.debian.org | 12:57 |
| seb128 | Kamion: I know, when I said PTS that's it http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/polypaudio.html returning a 404 | 12:58 |
| seb128 | Kamion: but I don't find it either on packages.debian.org | 12:58 |
| Kamion | cjwatson@newraff:~$ madison -r .\*polypaudio.\* | 01:00 |
| Kamion | cjwatson@newraff:~$ | 01:00 |
| Kamion | it's in queue/new | 01:00 |
| hunger | Why on earth does gnome need to write into /usr to start? | 01:00 |
| seb128 | what gnome? | 01:01 |
| seb128 | Kamion: oh, k, thanks | 01:01 |
| hunger | seb128: The one currently in breezy. | 01:01 |
| pitti | seb128: polypaudio is still in Debian's NEW | 01:01 |
| seb128 | hunger: define gnome | 01:01 |
| hunger | seb128: I can only login after mounting /usr rw. | 01:01 |
| seb128 | weird | 01:01 |
| pitti | seb128: I maintain it together with otavio, but the first upload was only ~ 1 week ago | 01:01 |
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| hunger | seb128: Try mounting /usr rw... | 01:03 |
| seb128 | pitti: k, I'm waiting to put the polypaudio sink for Debian too | 01:03 |
| mdke | vuntz, ok we will | 01:03 |
| hunger | seb128: I further need to bring up eth0 for the panel to work. | 01:03 |
| seb128 | hunger: it's rw | 01:03 |
| hunger | seb128: Try remounting /usr ro and try again. | 01:04 |
| mdke | vuntz, ah sorry wrong chan ;) | 01:04 |
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| seb128 | hunger: for the panel I doubt of that, or you have an applet waiting on the network ... | 01:04 |
| hunger | seb128: Possible... | 01:05 |
| seb128 | anyway no need to write to /usr or to have eth0 | 01:05 |
| hunger | seb128: After starting gnome once with /usr mounted rw it is fine to have mount /usr ro again. | 01:05 |
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| Mithrandir | Duck_Happy: thanks for the bug, btw. | 01:08 |
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| hunger | seb128: Try this: reboot, mount /usr ro, restart gdm, log into gnome. | 01:11 |
| seb128 | lemme try | 01:12 |
| hunger | seb128: You will get a brown background, the progress indicator won't show. | 01:12 |
| hunger | seb128: stop gdm, start gdm, mount /usr rw, log into gnome: All works fine. | 01:12 |
| ogra | hunger, he left | 01:13 |
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| vuntz | hunger: does it freeze loading an applet ? | 01:14 |
| ogra | hunger, weather applet ? (or something similar) | 01:14 |
| vuntz | (while loading an applet) | 01:14 |
| hunger | ogra: vuntz: seb128 suggested the applet idea. | 01:15 |
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| vuntz | hunger: what applet do you have on your panel? | 01:15 |
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| hunger | vuntz: I just installed breezy... whatever that has by default. | 01:16 |
| hunger | vuntz: I get nothing in the upper right corner... | 01:16 |
| vuntz | hunger: ok. And is nautilus running ? | 01:16 |
| seb128 | works fine with /usr ro | 01:16 |
| hunger | vuntz: How do I find out? | 01:16 |
| vuntz | hunger: right click on the desktop and see if you have a popup menu | 01:16 |
| hunger | seb128: It doesn't here. | 01:17 |
| hunger | vuntz: Yeap, I get that. | 01:17 |
| hunger | vuntz: I can access the CDROM via its icon as well. | 01:17 |
| hunger | vuntz: It does freeze if I try to eject the cdrom though. | 01:18 |
| vuntz | hunger: so, you have a panel at the top of your screen. On this one, what can you see ? | 01:22 |
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| hunger | vuntz: Applications, system, etc on the left, nothing on the right. | 01:23 |
| vuntz | hunger: do you have a panel at the bottom? | 01:23 |
| hunger | vuntz: The lower has the Desktop thingy on the left and a pager and waste basket on the right. | 01:23 |
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| hunger | seb128: This is even weirder than I thought: It works with /usr mounted ro all the time, but I need to login once, restart gdm and log in again. | 01:25 |
| hunger | seb128: The secound time round the panels show up (first time there isen't even a startup notification), but it stays frozen. | 01:26 |
| vuntz | hunger: can you launch gconf-editor? | 01:27 |
| hunger | seb128: third login: everything works fine, applets show up, can eject cdrom. | 01:29 |
| hunger | vuntz: Now I can... but this time the applets showed all up. | 01:30 |
| vuntz | hunger: so the panel is working? | 01:31 |
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| hunger | vuntz: Yeap, after restarting gdm twice it works after logging in the third time (first login: black background only, secoud time: applets missing, third time: all is fine). | 01:34 |
| hunger | s/black/brown/ | 01:35 |
| === hunger repeated that exercise three times in a row now. | ||
| vuntz | hunger: so everything is perfectly working ;-) | 01:36 |
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| hunger | vuntz: really strange this... | 01:36 |
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| jordi | mvo: have you seen your synaptic changelog? mvo: have you seen your synaptic changelog? | 01:47 |
| mvo | jordi: pffff ... you can't peeve me with that :P | 01:47 |
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| mvo | it was so importend that it was worth mentioning twice :) | 01:48 |
| \sh | dpkg-source: error: unrecognised file suffix `.tar' | 01:48 |
| \sh | Entpack-Befehl dpkg-source -x gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7.dsc fehlgeschlagen. | 01:48 |
| jordi | mvo: I see :) BUT DON'T TOUCH MY PRECIOUS STRINGS | 01:48 |
| === jordi svn up's and prepares for the worse | ||
| mvo | *cough* ... it shouldn't be too bad *cough* | 01:49 |
| Kamion | \sh: upgrade dpkg | 01:49 |
| Kamion | dpkg-dev, rather | 01:49 |
| jordi | mvo: not *too* bad. | 01:50 |
| === mvo thinks he needs a string-police that always gives him a little bashing when he accidently changes strings again | ||
| \sh | huu? | 01:50 |
| mvo | jordi: how many this time? | 01:50 |
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| \sh | ajnew updates ;) | 01:50 |
| jordi | 644 missatges traduts, 15 traduccions difuses, 4 missatges no traduts. | 01:50 |
| mvo | oh well ... | 01:51 |
| seb128 | jordi: go go go translate | 01:51 |
| seb128 | lazy guy | 01:51 |
| jordi | I'm so unmotivated to translate lately | 01:52 |
| seb128 | pffff | 01:52 |
| seb128 | go go go upload GNOME 2.10.2 | 01:52 |
| mvo | jordi: there is this _huge_ package description string repository :) | 01:52 |
| seb128 | or BTS clean, that's actually a good idea :) | 01:52 |
| seb128 | :p | 01:52 |
| jordi | mvo: is the Recommends file a file named like that, or can I translate? | 01:54 |
| mvo | jordi: can you give me the context please? | 01:54 |
| jordi | msgid "Bad regular expression '%s' in Recommends file." | 01:54 |
| mvo | jordi: I think it should be left untranslated (the whole string). I'm sorry that a error message like this sneaked in again | 01:55 |
| mvo | this is something that a user should never ever see | 01:56 |
| jordi | msgid "could not open recommends file %s" | 01:56 |
| mvo | same, sorry :/ | 01:56 |
| jordi | should this stanza have a capitalization? | 01:56 |
| jordi | that's what made me doubt. | 01:56 |
| azeem | 4 | 01:56 |
| azeem | *sigh* | 01:56 |
| ogra | azeem, switching TV channels through Xchat ? | 01:57 |
| jordi | seb128: no dude you clean the bts | 01:57 |
| seb128 | jordi: no way | 01:57 |
| azeem | ogra: forgot the /w in front of it | 01:57 |
| ogra | :) | 01:57 |
| jordi | seb128: I have a better idea, I'm goign to interview you. | 01:57 |
| jordi | Now. | 01:57 |
| azeem | ogra: irssi anyway, of course :) | 01:57 |
| === seb128 runs | ||
| === azeem is around for shouting stupid comments during the interview | ||
| mvo | jordi: I removed both strings from being translatable | 01:58 |
| jordi | mvo: should this other message have it in capitals? | 01:58 |
| mvo | jordi: just ignore both messages, the user will never see them and they will be gone in the next version. sorry for the trouble | 01:58 |
| Duck_Happy | Mithrandir: was i right ? | 02:00 |
| Mithrandir | Duck_Happy: yeah, I got two other errors reports on the pkg-config list already too. | 02:01 |
| Duck_Happy | Mithrandir: ho ok, i though i was perhaps too tired, but was unable ot build new panel, and sad | 02:01 |
| Mithrandir | Duck_Happy: http://incoming.debian.org/ has the fixed package. | 02:03 |
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| Duck_Happy | Mithrandir: great :-) | 02:03 |
| Mithrandir | Duck_Happy: I've asked it to be synced into ubuntu too, so we should see it RSN. | 02:03 |
| Duck_Happy | Mithrandir: nice, seb128 is gonna be happy | 02:04 |
| Duck_Happy | Mithrandir: thanks :-) | 02:05 |
| jordi | mvo: ok, ready. | 02:08 |
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| mvo | jordi: already? that was quick (/me is impressed) | 02:09 |
| jordi | and sent :) | 02:09 |
| mvo | jordi: thanks! | 02:10 |
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| \sh | Kamion: thx. helped | 02:20 |
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| jordi | seb128: I promise this time it'll be a short and fun interview | 02:22 |
| seb128 | no no | 02:22 |
| seb128 | interview ross :p | 02:22 |
| jordi | seb128: but people want to read about you. | 02:23 |
| jordi | just a few questions and we're done | 02:23 |
| AwayWolf | jordi, don't forget to take naughty pictures. -> "Seb128, famed hacker exposed!" | 02:24 |
| jordi | AwayWolf: I have a few good ones. | 02:24 |
| seb128 | NO | 02:24 |
| jordi | I still have a pending blog entry about how seb128 compares to some famous French fiction character. | 02:25 |
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| Keybuk | silly question, I'm sure, but why is there no l-r-m for 2.6.12-3-686 ? | 02:26 |
| AwayWolf | I'd imagine daniels is swamped with just making X work atm... | 02:27 |
| daniels | variety of reasons | 02:32 |
| Lathiat | daniels: do suse have some kind of xserver optimizations? | 02:34 |
| Lathiat | daniels: it seems to load up stupidly fast when i hit ctrl=alt+backsapce | 02:35 |
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| daniels | the only optimisations going around that I know of are ours | 02:36 |
| Lathiat | hm | 02:36 |
| Lathiat | maybe just whatever manager they are using loading really fast is fooling me | 02:36 |
| Treenaks | Lathiat: KDM | 02:37 |
| Treenaks | Lathiat: (at least, on my suse) | 02:37 |
| Lathiat | Treenaks: i assumed so, why do they have no /etc/init.d/kdm ? | 02:37 |
| Treenaks | Lathiat: because they're silly.. look in /etc/inittab | 02:38 |
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| Lathiat | its started from inittab? | 02:38 |
| Lathiat | baha, thats almost as bad as djb | 02:38 |
| jordi | seb128: seb come on, look at #gnome-debian. | 02:38 |
| Treenaks | Lathiat: oh wait | 02:39 |
| Treenaks | Lathiat: it has S13xdm in rc5.d for me | 02:40 |
| Treenaks | Lathiat: so it's using xdm | 02:40 |
| Lathiat | oh | 02:40 |
| Lathiat | see i sawthat | 02:40 |
| Lathiat | thats evil | 02:40 |
| Lathiat | heh | 02:40 |
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| seb128 | mvo: could you document what you change when you sync some packages with Debian? That's easier to know what the ubuntu changes are and for the next sync | 02:43 |
| doko | mdz, wasabi: libxerces2-java FTBFS, even when using jikes | 02:43 |
| seb128 | just mention the changes/patches with the Changelog ... | 02:43 |
| seb128 | doko: do you know when cairo will be updated for Debian ? | 02:43 |
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| mvo | seb128: yes, sorry | 02:44 |
| seb128 | mvo: no need to be sorry :) | 02:44 |
| doko | seb128: sorry, no. it's not in the NEW queue? | 02:45 |
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| seb128 | doko: no | 02:46 |
| seb128 | doko: but since you said there is no hurry because it requires a new gtk too I thought you were working on it | 02:47 |
| seb128 | thanks | 02:47 |
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| doko | seb128: no, the libgcj GTK peers need the new cairo, and the new GTK. So I disabled the use of cairo in libgcj. | 02:47 |
| jordi | seb128: you coward! | 02:48 |
| seb128 | doko: k | 02:49 |
| seb128 | jordi: what? | 02:49 |
| seb128 | jordi: wanna fight? :p | 02:49 |
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| jordi | no dude. I asked you a question! | 02:49 |
| jordi | #gnome-debian is waiting. | 02:49 |
| seb128 | no | 02:49 |
| seb128 | interview ross I said | 02:50 |
| jordi | he doesn't ping back. It's you! | 02:50 |
| seb128 | I don't ping back neither :p | 02:50 |
| jordi | 14:50 < seb128> interview ross I said | 02:50 |
| jordi | hmm. I could use this. | 02:50 |
| jordi | that would make you appear like a villain | 02:50 |
| seb128 | I could kick your ass | 02:50 |
| jordi | are you going to .fi? | 02:50 |
| jordi | oh no you aren't. | 02:51 |
| jordi | damn it. | 02:51 |
| jordi | we could do a real interview there. | 02:51 |
| seb128 | ah ah | 02:51 |
| jordi | don't ruin my publication. It's only two easy questions I want to ask! | 02:51 |
| seb128 | jordi: sorry but I've some real work to do :p | 02:52 |
| jordi | I could use that too... | 02:53 |
| jordi | seb128: this is not the end, sbastien bacher. I will be back. | 02:54 |
| seb128 | :) | 02:55 |
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| Treenaks | Nobody expects the Catalan inquisition? | 02:58 |
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| melodie_ | hello :) | 03:29 |
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| JanC | is there a known problem with esd in breezy or is it just my system that's fucked up ? :-/ | 03:33 |
| Treenaks | JanC: both ;) | 03:34 |
| Treenaks | I guess | 03:34 |
| cogumbreiro | lol | 03:34 |
| cogumbreiro | JanC: esd works on my system, i updated it yesterday | 03:34 |
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| melodie_ | I just found out a trick about burning and wish an advise | 03:35 |
| melodie_ | I could not burn datas anymore for seveval weeks with error "wrong encoding chain caracters" message | 03:36 |
| melodie_ | I just found out why when I did a 'ls -l' on one of the sub-repertories I could not burn: | 03:37 |
| melodie_ | there was a hidden backfile matching a file I had moved | 03:38 |
| melodie_ | but | 03:38 |
| melodie_ | :) | 03:38 |
| melodie_ | it was totally invisible, save in the shell | 03:38 |
| melodie_ | should it be reported as a bug ? | 03:39 |
| melodie_ | and if so, rather in Bugzilla or to Gnome ? | 03:39 |
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| JanC | I installed polypaudio & that works | 03:44 |
| pitti | JanC: good to hear :-) | 03:46 |
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| JanC | programs were hanging when trying to create (or use?) a pipe to esd or something like that | 03:47 |
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| JanC | (I have no real experience using strace) | 03:48 |
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| [hawk] | Hello! | 04:14 |
| [hawk] | I'm Vincenzo Di Massa... one of the Google Summer of Code students... | 04:15 |
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| bddebian | Hello | 04:26 |
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| hunger | fabbione: Sorry, forgot to attach a patch to #12065. Just attached one. | 04:43 |
| fabbione | hunger: please do... | 04:44 |
| hunger | fabbione: I just did:-) | 04:44 |
| fabbione | hunger: what kind of attachment is that one? | 04:45 |
| hunger | fabbione: It's a bzip2'ed diff file. | 04:45 |
| fabbione | ok | 04:45 |
| hunger | fabbione: Oh, sorry, I was not aware that the description will end up as the name. | 04:46 |
| fabbione | hmm it's a bit intrusive patch.. where did you get it? | 04:47 |
| hunger | fabbione: tpmdd.sf.net. | 04:47 |
| fabbione | ok.. i will need to see if a) build b) doesn't break the ABI | 04:48 |
| fabbione | if it breaks the abi i will have to queue it together with some other major changes | 04:48 |
| hunger | fabbione: The tpm driver in the kernel assumes all kinds of things to be static to whatever kylene uses;-) | 04:48 |
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| fabbione | hunger:-EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(tpm_time_expired); | 04:48 |
| fabbione | this is an ABI change | 04:49 |
| hunger | fabbione: This is what was changed when people started to shout;-) | 04:49 |
| fabbione | if other modules are using tpm_time_expired than it's an issue :) | 04:49 |
| hunger | fabbione: Other modules shouldn't do it. | 04:49 |
| fabbione | well we will see : | 04:50 |
| hunger | fabbione: So far nothing uses it but the trousers lib (which is userspace and not in ubuntu yet) afaik. | 04:50 |
| fabbione | hunger: an automatic test build will tell... :) | 04:51 |
| hunger | fabbione: I am sure the change will make it into the vanilla sources soon. | 04:51 |
| fabbione | hunger: if it will hit upstream soon, the better... | 04:51 |
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| elmo | kamion: will you cry if I demote 2.6.10? | 04:55 |
| fabbione | elmo: kill it | 04:56 |
| fabbione | elmo: and kill 2.6.11 please | 04:56 |
| fabbione | elmo: d-i uses .12 now | 04:56 |
| elmo | kill as in remove from the archive kill? | 04:56 |
| fabbione | elmo: yes | 04:56 |
| elmo | well, I'd like sign off from kamion; I'm scared of his vicious high kicks | 04:56 |
| fabbione | the default is .12 | 04:56 |
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| elmo | killed 2.6.11 in the meantime | 04:58 |
| Kamion_ | elmo: fine by me | 04:58 |
| elmo | killing l-r-m 2.6.10 too | 05:01 |
| ogra | elmo, killer | 05:01 |
| elmo | uh | 05:02 |
| pitti | cool, that will clean up ubuntu-cve | 05:02 |
| elmo | uh, did someone reorganize l-r-m? | 05:03 |
| elmo | we seem to have 2.6.12 packages, but not built from l-r-m source and nothing is claiming to build all the non l-r-m packages (nvidia, x* etc.) | 05:03 |
| tseng | elmo: lrm isnt built for 2.6.12 yet | 05:04 |
| ogra | elmo, we have no l-r-m for 2.6.12 yet | 05:04 |
| fabbione | elmo: daniels was going to look at it | 05:04 |
| fabbione | elmo: we have still a few problems to solve related to the compiler | 05:04 |
| elmo | linux-restricted-modules-386 | 2.6.12.2 | breezy/restricted | i386 | 05:05 |
| elmo | tseng/ogra: :-P | 05:05 |
| elmo | fabbione: hum, ok, I'll leave l-r-m alone then | 05:05 |
| pitti | ogra: isn't that from linux-meta? | 05:05 |
| pitti | erm, elmo^ | 05:06 |
| elmo | probably | 05:06 |
| fabbione | elmo: you can kill l-r-m for .10 in breezy | 05:06 |
| ogra | pitti, yep.... and linux-meta was modifiaed afaik | 05:06 |
| fabbione | there is no point | 05:06 |
| elmo | fabbione: I'd rather not - it'd make them NEW, etc. | 05:06 |
| elmo | I'll kill it when we have 2.6.12 replacements | 05:06 |
| fabbione | elmo: ok, but .10 are useless without .10 kernel | 05:06 |
| fabbione | you really can't use them in .12 | 05:06 |
| elmo | yah, I know, it's purely a ease-of-archive-maintenance thing | 05:07 |
| fabbione | linux-meta is ok :) | 05:07 |
| fabbione | elmo: eheh eok | 05:07 |
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| elmo | Kamion: dude, what's up with your ADSL? | 05:09 |
| elmo | you're scaring me off of metronet | 05:09 |
| chrissturm | is it known that the .12 kernel doesnt work with ipw2100 (at least with wep) ? | 05:10 |
| mdz | seb128: I thought you were there during the discussion where we proposed this Wednesday...when was the gnome outage announced? | 05:10 |
| pitti | Hey mdz | 05:10 |
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| seb128 | mdz: I've not noticed anybody announcing a data | 05:11 |
| seb128 | mdz: the GNOME outage is known for around 10 days I would say | 05:12 |
| fabbione | chrissturm: yes. | 05:12 |
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| chrissturm | fabbione, is it fixable? i saw someone fixed it by compiling the ipw2100 driver himself: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-bugs/2005-June/001820.html | 05:19 |
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| Kamion_ | elmo: I'm beginning to conclude that it's nothing to do with Metronet; my router is actually rebooting all the time, not just losing line sync | 05:29 |
| elmo | ah | 05:30 |
| fabbione | Kamion_: is that a linksys router? | 05:33 |
| fabbione | elmo: can you kindly NEW the kernel for sparc? | 05:33 |
| elmo | fabbione: already did | 05:33 |
| fabbione | thanks | 05:33 |
| robitaille | Kamion_: did you ever looked again at bug 2727 (see last comment there from you)? I cannot reproduce it on my Hoary install | 05:38 |
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| mdz | Kamion_: sorry about the apt breakage; I made the changes in a different tree from the one where I made the release from :-/ | 05:48 |
| doko | Kamion_: some MOTUs want to fix C++ bugs. which is the easiest way to tell (for universe packages), which are out of date? | 05:49 |
| hunger | doko: kexi is broken due to gcc transition (*hint* *hint*) | 05:50 |
| doko | hunger: fix it ;) | 05:51 |
| bddebian | doko: According to the wiki most if not all are done | 05:51 |
| doko | bddebian: not the library list | 05:51 |
| bddebian | Hmm | 05:51 |
| ogra | hunger, we are looking at easy to fix targets, that require one or two small dependency changes and a rebuild | 05:51 |
| doko | bddebian: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCxxTransition | 05:52 |
| hunger | Yahoo, wireless utils are 28pre8 now! So I no longer need to roll my own. | 05:53 |
| bddebian | doko: 99% of that list has a patch in Debian, unless it has been updated in the last day or two | 05:55 |
| doko | bddebian: it should be 100% | 05:57 |
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| madduck | bddebian: now it seems to work. I am ordering you a copy, ok? | 06:17 |
| bddebian | Awesome, thanks! | 06:17 |
| madduck | $69.40 | 06:18 |
| madduck | is that okay? | 06:18 |
| madduck | it's worth it... :) | 06:18 |
| bddebian | If you pay for it. ;-P | 06:18 |
| bddebian | Nah, that's fine | 06:18 |
| madduck | ha ha. | 06:18 |
| bddebian | That includes shipping? | 06:18 |
| madduck | yessir | 06:18 |
| madduck | but not credit card charges | 06:18 |
| madduck | they may be 1% or so | 06:18 |
| bddebian | NP | 06:18 |
| madduck | for international | 06:18 |
| madduck | ok. pressing ok | 06:19 |
| madduck | 10... 9... | 06:19 |
| madduck | 8... 7... | 06:19 |
| bddebian | Is that $69.40USD or Euro | 06:19 |
| madduck | USD | 06:19 |
| bddebian | Cool, press it man, press it! :-) | 06:19 |
| madduck | 4... 3... | 06:19 |
| madduck | 2... 1... | 06:19 |
| madduck | BOOOM | 06:19 |
| madduck | done | 06:19 |
| bddebian | Sweet | 06:19 |
| bddebian | ANd that should arrive in about a year? ;-P | 06:19 |
| madduck | i'll forward that email to you, even though it | 06:19 |
| madduck | yeah, with etch. | 06:19 |
| bddebian | hehe | 06:20 |
| madduck | oops. this *is* ubuntu-devel... :) | 06:20 |
| bddebian | Yeah, you blashpemer. :-) | 06:21 |
| madduck | whatever. you all love me anyway. :) | 06:21 |
| bddebian | Of course we do | 06:21 |
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| bddebian | madduck: Well at least both sides don't hate you like they do me.. ;-P | 06:21 |
| Kamion | elmo: looks like it's netgear that're thpethul - downgrading router firmware seems to have helped matters, touch wood | 06:22 |
| madduck | bddebian: http://rafb.net/paste/results/0bwJaS89.txt | 06:22 |
| daniels | mdz: any comments on the seen flag with preseeding issue? | 06:22 |
| elmo | kamion: DOWNgrading?? what router do you have? | 06:23 |
| Kamion | daniels: what's that? | 06:23 |
| daniels | Kamion: matt's seeing auto_answer stomping all over his layout when he preseeds stuff | 06:24 |
| Kamion | elmo: dg834g. 1.05.00 bad, 1.04.01 good. enormous thread at http://forum1.netgear.com/support/viewtopic.php?t=1366 about it | 06:24 |
| daniels | Kamion: so preseeding foo/bar=baz appears not to set the seen flag of foo/bar, afaict | 06:24 |
| daniels | either that or I'm on crack and -33 will fix it | 06:24 |
| bddebian | madduck: :-) | 06:24 |
| Kamion | daniels: preseeding has always set the seen flag - it's only recently that it's even been possible to preseed something without setting the seen flag | 06:25 |
| bddebian | madduck: Was that before you copied it?? ;-) | 06:25 |
| daniels | Kamion: crack wins the day! | 06:25 |
| madduck | bddebian: nah, i only pasted it to #hax0rz-lair | 06:25 |
| Kamion | daniels: of course, maybe I'm assuming that he's using the standard preseeding code | 06:25 |
| bddebian | madduck: Sweet, thanks! :-) | 06:26 |
| Kamion | mdz: are you using debconf-set-selections, or manual db_set etc.? | 06:26 |
| mdz | Kamion: in which context? | 06:26 |
| mdz | oh, xorg | 06:26 |
| mdz | I'm doing SET through debconf-communicate | 06:26 |
| Kamion | and not FSET? | 06:26 |
| Kamion | (and why debconf-communicate?) | 06:27 |
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| mdz | Kamion: it didn't seem wise to source confmodule in an init script | 06:28 |
| mdz | Kamion: and no, I don't use fset in that bit at the moment | 06:29 |
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| Kamion | ok, sounds like an easy fix then | 06:29 |
| Kamion | I think you might be the first person to attempt to use debconf from an init script | 06:29 |
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| mdz | Kamion: so I just need to set the seen flag, and everything will work as I expected it to originally? | 06:36 |
| mdz | auto_answer seems insane to me though | 06:36 |
| mdz | it's wrapping appropriate logic which already exists in debconf for using the default if the question isn't asked | 06:37 |
| daniels | not quite | 06:37 |
| Kamion | mdz: dunno, was really just answering daniels' question about preseeding - I thought he was talking about the preseed package at first | 06:37 |
| daniels | mdz: it will pick a sensible default dynamically, which you can't do otherwise | 06:38 |
| Kamion | there's no easy way in debconf to set the default to something different than is in the templates file | 06:38 |
| daniels | i agree in general the code is crack, but there are worse abominations than auto_answer | 06:38 |
| daniels | to be fair, the seen flag really is the best metric for 'has this question been answered?' | 06:38 |
| Kamion | yeesh, we've switched to libiw28? | 06:41 |
| Kamion | nobody told the installer :-/ | 06:41 |
| mdz | Kamion: oh, substitutions aren't valid in the default field? | 06:42 |
| daniels | mdz: anyway, once you do that, force_keyboard_redetection (later to be autodetect_keyboard) should be sweet | 06:42 |
| Kamion | mdz: no, Debconf::Question::value() does not do _expand_vars() | 06:42 |
| daniels | does anyone here actually have i810 desktop hardware? need to test a (rather belated) hoary update before I uplaod it | 06:42 |
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| mdz | Kamion: is there a good reason for that? this isn't the first use case that has come up | 06:42 |
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| Kamion | mdz: I imagine dynamic defaults weren't envisaged originally | 06:43 |
| mdz | this stuff is in matt.zimmerman@canonical.com/ltsp--main--0 (and the ltsp source package) if anyone's curious | 06:43 |
| Kamion | so SET would have been sufficient | 06:43 |
| zanaga | Kamion: which package should i report a bug of floppy module being constantly re-installed during installation? | 06:43 |
| Kamion | now I guess I'd be slightly concerned about breaking compatibility, although hopefully nobody's actually put "${...}" in a default without meaning it to be a variable | 06:43 |
| Kamion | zanaga: it's already reported, and should be harmless except for slowing stuff down a bit | 06:44 |
| zanaga | Kamion: yeah, it's harmless. But it's starting to get on my nerves =) | 06:44 |
| Kamion | mdz: well, I mean dynamic defaults in combination with reconfiguration | 06:44 |
| Kamion | mdz: hmm, apt 0.6.39ubuntu4 is an odd almost-no-op upload and removed my changelog entries from 0.6.39ubuntu{2,3} | 06:48 |
| mdz | Kamion: you missed the error message in apt-key, and it was easier to reapply my changes from the other tree than to debdiff. I'll merge in the changelog entries | 06:50 |
| mdz | Kamion: changelog entries are restored in arch | 06:51 |
| mdz | I wonder if apt is hct-able | 06:51 |
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| pitti | elmo: please sync ruby1_8 1.8.2-9 from incoming | 06:58 |
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| elmo | is this going to kill my amd64 buildds again? :P | 07:03 |
| Lathiat | haha | 07:10 |
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| pitti | seeeeeeeeb! | 07:13 |
| pitti | seb128: any idea where the gnome games went to? I have gnome-games installed, but the package is empty and there's nothign in the menu | 07:14 |
| pitti | seb128: surely a GTK bug, but I'd wanted to ask anyway *duck* | 07:14 |
| seb128 | pitti: are you sure it's installed? | 07:14 |
| seb128 | pitti: and not rc? | 07:14 |
| pitti | huh? | 07:15 |
| pitti | purge-ok-installed | 07:15 |
| pitti | $ LANG=C sudo apt-get install gnome-games | 07:15 |
| pitti | gnome-games is already the newest version. | 07:15 |
| pitti | WTF?? | 07:15 |
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| elmo | infinity/fabbione/thom: apache2 can't run separate virtual hosts as different users right? | 07:15 |
| elmo | [and can apache1.3] | 07:16 |
| seb128 | pitti: funny :p | 07:16 |
| thom | no, no | 07:16 |
| pitti | seb128: sorry for bothering, but that doesn't look right... | 07:17 |
| tseng | elmo: the only way i know of apache running with seperate prililages is suexec | 07:17 |
| tseng | elmo: which is also evil | 07:17 |
| thom | elmo: as tseng says, you can run cgis as different users with suexec | 07:17 |
| tseng | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/suexec.html#model | 07:17 |
| tseng | suid, boo, hiss | 07:17 |
| seb128 | pitti: no worry :) | 07:18 |
| pitti | seb128: install --reinstall did the trick | 07:18 |
| maswan | so, are the apache folks planning on solving this in a better way then? | 07:18 |
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| seb128 | pitti: cool | 07:19 |
| daniels | elmo: theoretically, you could do this sort of thing with perchild | 07:20 |
| daniels | but perchild is thpethul | 07:20 |
| daniels | seb128: i just fixed about 30 functions with unchecked arguments in xcursor. this is your fault. | 07:21 |
| seb128 | thanks :) | 07:21 |
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| elmo | daniels/tseng/thom: thanks | 07:22 |
| whiprush | ogra: have you gotten much feedback on gnome-power? | 07:23 |
| jordi | the name is cool | 07:25 |
| ogra | whiprush, not much yet | 07:25 |
| whiprush | is it mature enough for me to test out? (ie does it work?) | 07:26 |
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| ogra | its good for showing the battery state for now, orthe stuff will get waved in soon | 07:29 |
| ogra | it needs some integration love ut does no harm, try it :) | 07:30 |
| ogra | but even | 07:30 |
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| StoneTable | mvo: would you mind if I wrote a patch for bug 12226? | 07:37 |
| mvo | StoneTable: IIRC this is fixed already, could you please check? | 07:38 |
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| mvo | StoneTable: could you please verify if it is still a problem. if you, a patch is very welcome of course :) | 07:39 |
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| StoneTable | There were still issues with it as of this morning | 07:40 |
| torkel | mvo: it is not fixed in 2.59-0.2ubuntu3 | 07:40 |
| mvo | torkel: ok | 07:42 |
| mvo | a patch is welcome then :) | 07:44 |
| StoneTable | okay, I'll tackle that next then, and attach the patch to the bug report | 07:44 |
| mvo | great, thanks! | 07:44 |
| torkel | StoneTable: if you need anyone to test the patch let me know | 07:45 |
| StoneTable | okay, cool, thx | 07:45 |
| torkel | my python knowledge is less than desirable or I would have given it a try myself | 07:46 |
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| chuck_ | 3/window 3 | 07:51 |
| daniels | elmo: could you please install libglide2-dev in concordia/hoary-i386? | 08:00 |
| elmo | daniels: done | 08:02 |
| daniels | thanks | 08:02 |
| elmo | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=157270 | 08:02 |
| elmo | is fascinating and disturbing reading | 08:02 |
| daniels | Kamion: so, uhm | 08:03 |
| daniels | Kamion: sort of discovered a bit of a brown-paper-bagger at linuxtag | 08:03 |
| daniels | Kamion: intel i915 hardware is listed as vesa still within discover1-data. which means unaccelerated desktops. | 08:03 |
| daniels | Kamion: if we drop a one-line change (which I uploaded to breezy recently) into hoary, whenever people next update xserver-xorg, their config will get rewritten to use i810 and thus have an accelerated desktop (2D as well as 3D). | 08:04 |
| daniels | Kamion: is that worth a hoary-update? | 08:04 |
| daniels | noting that d1-data is trivially small | 08:04 |
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| daniels | crap | 08:06 |
| daniels | elmo: bzip2 pls | 08:07 |
| daniels | elmo: or just all the xorg b-ds in general | 08:07 |
| elmo | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 08:07 |
| Kamion | daniels: seems reasonable to me; I suppose we can tell people to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg | 08:07 |
| elmo | for xorg? | 08:07 |
| elmo | and bzip2 is installed? | 08:08 |
| daniels | Kamion: sure | 08:08 |
| daniels | elmo: blah, must've landed in the middle of an apt run or something, because concordia/hoary-i386 was telling me to install bzip2 | 08:09 |
| doko | pitti,elmo: please could you promote java-gcj-compat-dev to main? | 08:10 |
| pitti | doko: I can't | 08:11 |
| lamont | pitti: and here I had been impressed with your new super-powers. | 08:12 |
| elmo | daniels: sorry, yeah, I did a sly dist-upgrade | 08:12 |
| pitti | lamont: they still have to grow, I'm afraid :-) | 08:13 |
| daniels | elmo: ahr | 08:13 |
| daniels | elmo: nothing can escape my roving eye | 08:13 |
| doko | pitti: but you can approve it? | 08:13 |
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| Kamion | java-gcj-compat-dev seems not in need of approval, unless it has vast wodges of new deps | 08:14 |
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| pitti | Kamion: AFAIU it was just a package split | 08:15 |
| pitti | doko: didn't I already do that yesterday? it's a no-brainer | 08:16 |
| Kamion | doko: promoted | 08:17 |
| Kamion | hooray, CD build actually debootstraps successfully now | 08:19 |
| daniels | nice :) | 08:19 |
| Kamion | be grateful for small mercies | 08:20 |
| doko | Kamion: thanks | 08:28 |
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| daniels | seb128: xcursor uploaded | 08:40 |
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| Kamion | sigh, I still get "Error" "failed to initialize HAL" | 08:46 |
| Kamion | pitti: any ideas? this is a fresh install | 08:46 |
| Kamion | .xsession-errors says: | 08:47 |
| Kamion | ** (gnome-session:29555): WARNING **: Host name lookup failure on localhost. | 08:47 |
| Kamion | and shortly afterwards a complaint from g-v-m that HAL is not running | 08:47 |
| Kamion | dunno whether the localhost thing is related though | 08:47 |
| Kamion | and 'host localhost' works fine | 08:47 |
| ska-fan | Got localhost in /etc/hosts ? | 08:48 |
| Kamion | yes | 08:49 |
| Kamion | default install, dude :) | 08:49 |
| daniels | elmo: i think concordia would like a biger disk | 08:49 |
| Mithrandir | like 666G instead of 66G? | 08:50 |
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| daniels | yeah | 08:52 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, uhh devlish | 08:56 |
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| daniels | oh, bloody hell | 09:01 |
| daniels | elmo: any chance we could blacklist xresprobe from syncs? | 09:01 |
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| mxpxpod | seb128: ping | 09:16 |
| seb128 | mxpxpod: pong | 09:16 |
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| mxpxpod | seb128: I filed a bug yesterday against gnome-panel regarding libwnck and the workspace switcher... have you read it yet? | 09:17 |
| seb128 | the stuff fixed with a rebuild ? | 09:18 |
| mxpxpod | yeah, a rebuild of libwnck | 09:18 |
| seb128 | no clue of the issue | 09:18 |
| seb128 | works fine for me on i386 | 09:18 |
| seb128 | and no other bug about that | 09:18 |
| seb128 | any explanation of the bug? | 09:18 |
| mxpxpod | it's really strange, but it affects gnome-power as well | 09:19 |
| mxpxpod | seb128: it must only be on powerpc | 09:19 |
| mxpxpod | seb128: what do you mean? | 09:19 |
| seb128 | any idea of why it bugs? | 09:20 |
| seb128 | I've no bug from other ppc users | 09:20 |
| seb128 | and we have for sure other ppc users | 09:20 |
| seb128 | Kamion, pitti: do you run the current gnome-panel on ppc? | 09:20 |
| mxpxpod | no clue... just that error on the command line that I put in the bug | 09:22 |
| mxpxpod | that's really strange | 09:22 |
| seb128 | Kamion, pitti: that's about #12241 | 09:23 |
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| mxpxpod | seb128: also, the workspace switcher applet's preferences gives me an error about an invalid schema | 09:25 |
| seb128 | are you sure than the packages are correctly installed? | 09:26 |
| seb128 | what error exactly? | 09:26 |
| mdz | daniels: the easiest way to prevent it from syncing would be to upload a -ubuntuN version | 09:26 |
| mxpxpod | Failed: Failed: Schema `/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/display_all_workspaces' specified for `/apps/panel/applets/applet_88/prefs/display_all_workspaces' stores a non-schema value | 09:26 |
| mxpxpod | Failed: Failed: Schema `/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/num_rows' specified for `/apps/panel/applets/applet_88/prefs/num_rows' stores a non-schema value | 09:26 |
| daniels | mdz: it seems horribly wrong, though, given that we're the upstream version that debian makes modifications (that we do not want to sync) to | 09:27 |
| daniels | mdz: i.e. the debian packager would always need to be one revision down | 09:27 |
| mxpxpod | seb128: ok, I just re-installed gnome-panel-data and did a gconftool-2 --shutdown | 09:28 |
| mxpxpod | and then pkilled gnome-panel and it works fine now | 09:28 |
| seb128 | weird | 09:29 |
| mxpxpod | yeah | 09:29 |
| seb128 | imho that's a local problem during the package install on your box | 09:29 |
| mxpxpod | ok, I'm going to try re-downloading the libwnck packages and see if that fixes my issue | 09:30 |
| mxpxpod | seb128: it probably is... maybe gconf was still running when I installed, or something | 09:30 |
| seb128 | the packages reload the gconf base when installing keys | 09:30 |
| seb128 | so that should not be an issue | 09:30 |
| mxpxpod | nope, re-downloading the libwnck packages from ubuntu doesn't help | 09:31 |
| mxpxpod | seb128: hmmm... maybe the postinst didn't run correctly | 09:31 |
| seb128 | possible | 09:31 |
| mxpxpod | anyway, I'm really not sure what's up with libwnck... I'm getting that error: | 09:36 |
| mxpxpod | /usr/lib/gnome-panel/wnck-applet: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libwnck-1.so.16: R_PPC_REL24 relocation at 0x0ff77fc8 for symbol `malloc' out of range | 09:36 |
| mxpxpod | I downloaded the source of libwnck and recompiled and the recompiled packages don't give me that error | 09:36 |
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| mdz | daniels: yeah, I guess that would be awkward too | 09:49 |
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| pitti | seb128: no, I don't | 09:59 |
| seb128 | k | 09:59 |
| seb128 | any idea about the "/usr/lib/libwnck-1.so.16: R_PPC_REL24 relocation at 0x0ff77fc8 for symbol `malloc' out of range" ? | 09:59 |
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| bryanf | seb128: just so you know, this is mxpxpod | 10:06 |
| seb128 | k | 10:07 |
| bryanf | did kamion respond? | 10:07 |
| seb128 | no | 10:07 |
| bryanf | ok | 10:07 |
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| bryanf | that's such a strange bug... I'm not sure if it has something to do with gcc-4.0 because I haven't used it enough | 10:07 |
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| mxpxpod | seb128: will you be online later tonight? | 10:18 |
| seb128 | depending of "later" | 10:18 |
| mxpxpod | seb128: around 8:00 CDT | 10:19 |
| seb128 | what is CDT? | 10:19 |
| seb128 | maybe 1-2 hours from now before sleeping | 10:19 |
| mxpxpod | central standard time on daylight savings | 10:19 |
| mxpxpod | darn | 10:19 |
| daniels | seb128: slacker | 10:19 |
| seb128 | is that american? | 10:19 |
| mxpxpod | seb128: yeah | 10:19 |
| seb128 | daniels: shut up :p | 10:19 |
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| Kamion | seb128: sorry, don't know, I haven't been quite current on powerpc for a while | 10:34 |
| seb128 | k, np | 10:34 |
| Kamion | anyone else have any clue about the hal thing? | 10:35 |
| seb128 | what hal thing? | 10:35 |
| Kamion | should I ignore it for the purposes of Colony 2? | 10:35 |
| Kamion | 19:46 < Kamion> sigh, I still get "Error" "failed to initialize HAL" | 10:35 |
| Kamion | 19:47 < Kamion> .xsession-errors says: | 10:35 |
| Kamion | 19:47 < Kamion> ** (gnome-session:29555): WARNING **: Host name lookup failure on localhost. | 10:35 |
| Kamion | 19:47 < Kamion> and shortly afterwards a complaint from g-v-m that HAL is not running | 10:35 |
| Kamion | 19:47 < Kamion> dunno whether the localhost thing is related though | 10:35 |
| Kamion | 19:47 < Kamion> and 'host localhost' works fine | 10:35 |
| Kamion | dialog when logging into GNOME after a default install | 10:35 |
| seb128 | weird | 10:36 |
| daniels | gtk bug and all that | 10:36 |
| seb128 | I've the same warning about localhost here but not hal issue | 10:37 |
| seb128 | I guess that's not the same issue | 10:37 |
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| hughsie | ogra: ping? | 11:35 |
| ogra | hughsie, hi | 11:36 |
| hughsie | ogra, you done any work on gnome power manpage? I was hoping to release 0.0.6 this week and wondered if you want me to include it upstream? | 11:37 |
| ogra | hughsie, nope, i must prepare my talks etc for the summit on the weekend, i cant do much this week | 11:37 |
| ogra | hm | 11:38 |
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| hughsie | ogra: sorry about that - you'll piss yourself laughing when you hear what I just did.. | 11:40 |
| ogra | tell me :) | 11:40 |
| hughsie | testing the low battery notification in gpm, but forgot to put the ac back in. The warning was copletely disregarded! | 11:41 |
| ogra | you played with gpm | 11:41 |
| ogra | :( | 11:41 |
| hughsie | anyway, whats the verdict on the manpage? | 11:41 |
| ogra | hughsie, i must prepare my talks etc for the summit on the weekend, i cant do much this week, probably tomorrow evening in the hotel ... | 11:42 |
| hughsie | dont worry about it mate, i wondered if it was ready to go.. | 11:43 |
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| ogra | no, i havent done much beside watching porn pages ( i have to talk about content filtering and had to test squidguard configs) | 11:45 |
| hughsie | ogra: lol ! | 11:45 |
| ogra | but thats an awful thing, lots and lots of false positives | 11:45 |
| hughsie | like? | 11:45 |
| ogra | http://www.veganporn.com/ | 11:46 |
| ogra | :) | 11:46 |
| ogra | nearly all parental control software advertising pages ... | 11:46 |
| maswan | woudl http://porno.acc.umu.se/ be caught? | 11:46 |
| hughsie | lol, not cool.. | 11:46 |
| ogra | lots of stuff where porn is mentioned without being a porn site... even some church pages | 11:47 |
| maswan | (hey, that was selected Geek site of the day, 15 of May 1996!) | 11:47 |
| ogra | maswan, yep | 11:47 |
| ogra | 403 :) | 11:48 |
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| hughsie | ogra: on gnome-power-devel we are discussing whether the icons in gpm should be generated on the fly (like now, with an overlay) | 11:55 |
| hughsie | or just taken from a set of icons that could be themed | 11:55 |
| hughsie | David Zeuthen is very keen on the seporate icons idea, and i just wondered on your view | 11:55 |
| ogra | could you get it upstream (hicolor-theme) ? | 11:56 |
| ogra | so a default set is always in there | 11:56 |
| hughsie | yes, not a problem. | 11:56 |
| ogra | i saw the thread btw :) | 11:56 |
| hughsie | gotcha | 11:56 |
| ogra | i would go a themed way, to make it easier for icon designers and distros to adjust it to their needs | 11:57 |
| hughsie | thats what david said. | 11:57 |
| ogra | yep | 11:57 |
| hughsie | but i'm not sure about creating circa 50 icons for al the different devices and states | 11:58 |
| ogra | thats easy with gimp... you normally have only one background with a handfull of variants | 11:58 |
| hughsie | point. so you would say go with david? | 12:00 |
| hughsie | what about making it configurable? | 12:00 |
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