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Omnicould anyone help me with a prism2 usb wifi adapter and hostap?12:17
KaiL_wrong channel, that's someting for #ubuntu12:17
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ograseb128, join #ubuntu-bugs, its for you :)12:24
seb128ogra: what is for me?12:24
ogra #ubuntu-bugs :) should fell like home ;)12:25
seb128a bug squash without notice on the day where bugzilla.gnome.org box is beeing moved? no thanks 12:25
ografeel even12:25
tsengcan someone remind me what UVF really means to me as a maintainer12:31
ogratseng, no new upstream version12:32
tsengit would be sortof crap if I couldnt put in the next beagle12:32
ogratseng, only with approval12:32
tsengI see.12:32
\shhmmm....can someone translate this for me: http://mnm.uib.es/gallir/posts/2005/06/24/343/12:38
tsengi do not like the stucture of Debian12:40
tsengthe second sentence is harder :P12:41
uniqToo much democracy is sometimes bleak and it does not allow you to continue advancing.12:41
uniqsays. babelfish.altavista.com12:41
tsengthat sounds close12:41
\shyes...but the comments are not making any sense to me ;)12:41
restrexsh me :)12:42
restrex\sh what do you want to know?12:42
azeem\sh: probably he says you have not much knowledge on how Debian works, if you think it's a democrazy12:42
\shhmmm..i should learn spanish 12:43
\shso i can answer him ;)12:43
restrex\sh aprende pues ;)12:43
\shhehe..I was surprised to get many hits from this site12:44
restrexthere appears that somebody called Stephan Hermann12:44
restrexsaid that he doesn't like debian estructure12:44
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\shrestrex: thx :)12:47
ogra\sh, he qoutes this: ...nd it's also a matter why I don't like the Debian structure. Too much of democracy is sometimes hopeless and stops you from going further.12:47
\shogra: jajaja ;) I know what I wrote ;)12:47
restrexthere appears that somebody called Stephan Hermann said that he doesn't like debian estructure and said that it's so much democracy that sometimes doesn't allow you to advance12:48
restrexsorry mi english \sh 12:48
restrexsome comments are negative :)12:49
ograrestrex, which is very much out of context :) since he compares debian "democracy" to ubuntu "dictatorship"12:49
ograthis qoute doesnt credit that.... sadly12:50
restrexhmm the guy who posted says that ubuntu exits 'cause exits debian, and that kind of comments criticing debian it's not valid (im only translating him idea)12:51
restrexare not valid12:51
danielsand, indeed, ubuntu would not exist without debian12:51
\shand I never said, that debian is evil...(as one of my comments on my blog tried to say)...so I put it right in another article...anyways12:52
ajmitchthe MOTUs would have a very hard time without debian, especially12:53
\shI should drink some beer with martin in oldenburg...12:54
restrex\sh ye, he only wanted to critique you, 'cause there aren't so good argumentents, only a: "ubuntu exists 'cause exits debian"12:54
restrexthat's only a debian fan comment, you have to understand that :)12:55
restrexon the commnets there are people that don't think like him :)12:55
=== ajmitch is a debian fan also, but doesn't talk like that :)
=== \sh is going to be PC: \sh 's a fan of debian, redhat, suse, mandriva, sun, ubuntu, gentoo, archlinux, damnsmalllinux, damnbiglinux, livelinux,offlinelinux, whateverlinux ;)
\shanylinux i forgot? well, yes, goingtobedlinux :)12:58
Mithrandirwhat about opensolaris?12:58
\shso g'night :)12:58
Mithrandir\sh: sleep tight. :-)12:58
\shMithrandir: I'm a joerg schiling fan as well ,-)12:59
Mithrandir\sh: sick bastard. :-)12:59
\shMithrandir: hahaha12:59
\shMithrandir: sad, that bsdi doesn't exist anymore...:(12:59
\shso...off to bed01:00
ajmitchnight \sh 01:00
Burgundaviamdz, who would I talk to about wiki improvements?01:00
ograBurgundavia, hno7301:01
Burgundaviamdz, nev ind01:01
ograBurgundavia, there is a feature request wikipage01:01
Burgundaviaogra, yes01:01
Burgundaviaogra, I was talking with upstream moin about a feature01:01
ogrause it :)01:01
Burgundaviathey liked it01:02
Burgundaviasaid it would take about an hour of dev time01:02
BurgundaviaI was wondering who to whinge to about paying that person (a moin dev) to do it01:02
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dokoogra: about the bug squashing party ... there are still about 15 C++ libs not yet converted / buildable on breezy and about 500 reverse depends on libstdc++5 without an explicite build dependency on g++-3.3 or libstdc++5-3.4-dev.  Many of them are packages with patches in Debian, which are not applied in Ubuntu. The rest needs to be sorted out to C++ problem/xorg reorg problem/dpkg-architecture problem. I don't know if fixes for thes01:54
dokoe kind of bugs are sexy enough, but you may want to propose them01:54
mdkedoko, he just went to bed i think01:56
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lamont__daniels: ping02:19
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lamont__#0  0x083de64c in a52_free ()02:26
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-love for getting involved | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | If you have unexpectedly lost editbugs privileges, talk to mdz/ogra/kiko | BugDay !! June 29 2005 in #ubuntu-bugs join in, go squash !
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mptjdub: busy?06:12
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minghuaHi, I am wondering how unstable is synchronized with breezy right now06:24
minghuasince the freetype 2.1.10-1 in unstable is broken06:24
minghuasee debian bug #314385 and #31603106:25
minghuabreezy should stick to freetype 2.1.706:25
minghuaand wait for this to be sorted out06:25
danielslamont: pong, ish06:26
danielslamont: my laptop's hard drive blew up today, so I'm kind of limited06:26
lamontdaniels: heh06:26
danielsand got to remember how to crimp cat506:26
danielsit's about a 20m run from my desktop to the AP06:26
lamontwas wondering if you could (in email, even) rattle off the list of packages that have been split out of xorg06:26
minghuahmm, maybe it should be "how breezy is synced with unstable"?  anyway, I think everyone understands me06:26
danielslamont: in email, no06:26
danielslamont: irc, yes (bear in mind my email lives on my laptop ...)06:26
lamontdaniels: here is fine to, or in /msg06:27
danielslamont: x11proto-*-dev, libxau, libxdmcp, libice, libsm, libx11, libxext06:27
danielslibxfixes, libxdamage and libxcomposite are next on my hit list06:27
danielsoh, also xtrans06:27
danielsand xterm06:27
danielsand xfonts-core :)06:27
lamontdaniels: plan is to queue those ahead of xorg... and then pester you about what we really want to do about the ones that are non-PIC-in-shlib06:28
danielslamont: hrm06:28
danielssurely libtool should take care of all this06:28
lamontminghua: breezy has  freetype_2.1.7-2.4ubuntu1, so manual effort will be required to get the debian version.06:28
lamontdaniels: choices are (1) provide a .so, (2) provide a _pic.a, (3) don't link that lib06:29
lamontin at least some cases, it's really (1) but there's a missing build-dep06:29
minghualamont: yes I saw that breezy is fine right now, I am just here to raise the alarm06:29
lamonter, "some cases" == some cases across the entire archive, not necessarily specifically xorg06:29
minghualamont: I hope the developers are already aware of this06:29
lamontminghua: whoever does the merge will hopefully note that there are RC bugs in the debian version before they upload... if those debian bugs are RC, then they're already in ubuntu06:30
lamonter, in the bts, that is.06:30
lamontright then.  sleep06:30
danielslamont: we already provide a .so06:31
jdubyo lamont 06:31
lamontdaniels: coolness06:31
lamontjdub: sup?  she's gonna kill me if I don't leave soon06:31
minghualamont: Okay, there is a RC bug, so things should be fine.  Thanks for the explanation.06:31
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mxpxpoddoes anyone else get a relocation error when using the workspace switcher applet on ppc in breezy?06:34
lamontjdub: /msg or something - I'll probably wander past again in about 60-120 minutes or so06:34
jdublamont: just saying yo :)06:34
lamont-awayjdub: heh. yo back at ya. :-)06:34
lamont-awayand hello to the nice lady, too06:34
jdublamont-away: she sends hugs :)06:35
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Burgundaviasalut jdub 06:36
jdubmuch yo06:36
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whiprushyo jdub 06:38
Treenaksyo all06:39
whiprushjdub: I take it you maintain planet ubuntu?06:43
jdubthough i don't have shell access to it06:44
jdubwhich can be annoying at times06:44
whiprushcan I get syndicated? I have some cool ubuntu stuff I'd like to blog ... and since I'm blogging about ubuntu 90% of the time anyway ...06:44
jdubwhiprush: are you a member yet? (you should be)06:45
jdubdude, why didn't you say? :)06:45
jdubi'll add you now, but it has to wait on elmo love to update06:46
whiprushI've been kind of out of the loop, been doing lots of loco stuff locally.06:47
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nailsdaniels, heya, decided to stalk you for an X question06:49
nailsdaniels, will R7 use regular pathnames - /usr/bin etc?06:49
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jdubwhiprush: added06:51
jdubelmo: please update planet -> can we work out something better for this?06:51
whiprushwoo, thx.06:52
danielsnails: yeah, fo'sho06:55
danielsnails: no more /usr/X11R606:55
nailssweet. 06:56
nailssun will melt.06:56
danielswell, we already started that with XF86Config-4 -> xorg.conf06:57
danielsthe compromise was leaving it in /etc/X1106:57
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robitaillejdub: for planet.u.c:   http://www3.telus.net/robitaille/hackergotchi.png07:10
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nailsdaniels, ok, just as long as you make the new config file use m407:18
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danielsnails: usability++, yo07:20
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jsgotangcowhiprush: hey long time no see07:35
whiprushhey man07:35
jsgotangcowhat's keeping you busy other than the "Ubuntu loco" stuff i've been readin g in the log07:36
whiprushsheer ineptitude.07:36
jsgotangcogo blam07:37
jsgotangcoit just died but the notification icon still lives07:37
whiprushlesson #1 from UDU, don't say "oh sure, I'll help" when you don't have the time.07:37
jsgotangcoit doesn't eat up that much time to help out (unless you're really swamped with real work)07:39
whiprushI plan on doing the bug day tomorrow (tomorrow for me), and starting to file down my todo a bit. Just been procastinating.07:39
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whiprushon the plus side our LoCo's been growing. Up top over 20 people now.07:40
jsgotangcowow that's news07:41
whiprushIt's kind of odd, I've ran into three C/GTK dudes in the past few weeks that are just "looking for a way to help."07:41
jsgotangcooh i know the feeling, i've encoutered those types recently07:42
whiprushSo we're starting to organize activities around that. Hopefully get funding from my University to get us all to a GNOME thing in NY or Boston where I can point them to mentors or something.07:42
jsgotangcoat least you have access to potential funding...07:43
whiprushWe've been slowly converting professors over to Ubuntu for their research work. Hopefully they'll include Ubuntu in their biblios.07:47
whiprushAll these math people seem to seek out linux for fortran compilers and whatnot, they're kind of ripe targets.07:47
whiprushjsgotangco: and how are things in the phillipines?07:50
jsgotangcomajor bummer dude, its like Watergate here in the political side07:51
whiprushHeh, I meant on the Ubuntu front.07:51
jsgotangcowiretapped materials on the president heh07:52
jsgotangcooh we had our loco running and will be sponsoring software freedom day07:52
whiprushgood good07:52
whiprushwe're doing an installfest on SFD here.07:52
jsgotangcoon the docteam side, we'll be starting our regular meeting tommorow at 14UTC07:52
whiprushgood good.07:53
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jsgotangcothat should end those CAN! CANNOT! threads on the list07:53
whiprushYou guys did the wiki transition right? Your team?07:54
jsgotangcowell not really, it was henrik's project he's a canonical guy but some people helped out on the transition scripts07:55
ajmitchhey whiprush, jsgotangco 07:55
jsgotangcoi don't really mess up with the former wiki but the moin wiki now is actually great07:55
jsgotangcoit still has some bugs though07:55
jsgotangcoajmitch: hey07:55
whiprushhey aj07:55
jsgotangco(some people still like mediawiki though)07:56
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whiprushI'm a mediawiki fan, but at this stage I'd settle for "don't change it again please."07:56
jsgotangcoyeah moin is actually great07:56
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Burgundaviafspot will not import the bloody image08:05
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infinityelmo / kamion ---^08:31
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\shcan someone remove gmetadom_0.2.2-3ubuntu2 from the buildd asap? there is an error inside :(08:51
infinityToo late, dude, it's already installed.08:51
\shanyways...preparing ubuntu308:52
infinityAlright, I re-froze the two things that were supposed to build against it, so no harm done, really.08:53
\shi'm too tired and my eyes playing games with me :( annoying this08:54
\shI need some holidays08:54
infinityOo, oo, me too!  Send me some!08:55
danielsat that price, I'll take two08:55
\shbeginning of september I'll take 2 weeks off...but I need to think about the place where I want to stay...08:56
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\shivoks: what r u doing from the 2nd of September +2 weeks? I think I need to visit croatia and need a place to sleep ;)09:01
ivoks\sh: 2 weeks? :)09:02
ivoksi think i'll be able to manage something...09:02
\shivoks: i don't really know...depends on my money ;)09:02
\shone week minimum :)09:02
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ivoksso... what's your motivation to come here? :)09:03
\shivoks: holiday :) 09:04
\shivoks: u know this stuff: relaxing, reading, looking out for a new Mrs. \sh09:04
\shforget the new Mrs. \sh09:05
\shcoffee first...09:06
ivokswell, i'm in continental part of croatia09:06
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cameronthe ubuntu laptop team is in this channel, correct?09:14
pitti_Hi cameron 09:14
cameroni am thinking about buying a powerbook, and i am wondering how compatable they are with ubuntu09:15
cameronwhat advice would you have for me?09:15
cameronhi pitti09:15
cameronhi pitti_ *09:15
pitti_cameron: #ubuntu09:15
cameronso sorry.. good day!09:15
pitti_cameron: well, many of us are using pbs, I'm using an iBook09:15
cameronis ther any of the hardware that is incompatable?09:16
pitti_cameron: the airport extreme doesn't work, but the rest works pretty well09:16
cameroni was planning on usin\g an orinoco anyway09:16
fabbionedaniels: can we please get the xterm default colors back?09:17
danielsfabbione: can you what the what?09:17
fabbionedaniels: xterm default colors are white fg and black bg09:17
cameronpitti, thanks for your help09:17
fabbionethe latest xterm is fg black on greish bg09:17
pittifabbione: btw, since breezy's 2.6.10 kernel has a lot of outstanding vulns, shall we demote it to universe?09:18
danielser, xterm default colours are black fg, white bg09:18
fabbionepitti: we can just remove it09:18
fabbionepitti: completely09:18
pittieven better09:18
fabbionedaniels: and get -rv to work again.. :)09:18
fabbionedaniels: either one or the other ;)09:18
danielsfabbione: will check it out; -fg white -bg black should make you happy in the meantime09:20
fabbionedaniels: yeah i did that already... :)09:20
danielsbut yeah, upstream's default colours have been like that forever09:21
fabbionenot in our xterm...09:21
fabbionei used to execute just xterm and get white fg and black bg09:22
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fabbionethe net is going to be highly unstable soon09:24
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pittiHey chmj, good morning09:37
chmjgood morning pitti 09:37
pittichmj: could you check whether we can sync wget? the new debian version has security fixes09:37
chmji already asked elmo for a sync 09:38
pittiah, thanks09:39
infinityDidn't ours have aun updated translation or two?09:39
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pittiinfinity: that should have been the translation from upstream, wasn't it?09:43
infinityOh, yes.  It was.  Didn't realise that Debian had a new upstream version finally.09:43
infinityIn that case, nevermind. :)09:44
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dokoinfinity: the last batch of uploads reduced the libstdc++5 rdepends from 880 to 530. Now we know which packages need manual fixing.10:14
infinitydoko : I noticed.10:16
\shdoko: cxx stuff?10:16
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doko\sh: yes10:16
\sh530 packs?10:16
infinity530 rdeps.  Some may be from the same source packages.  Hopefully. :)10:17
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infinityI've got 427 on powerpc...10:17
infinityThat's a lot of i386-specific C++ packages... Or doko's count is old.10:18
=== \sh has 610 rdeps on stdc++5
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danielsdaniels@brainfreeze:~/Maildir% offlineimap -u Curses.Blinkenlights10:20
danielsofflineimap -u Curses.Blinkenlights  159.90s user 15.23s system 3% cpu 1:36:45.33 total10:20
danielsthank god for mail backups, but that wasn't quick10:21
doko\sh: you are sure, you don't have old libraries installed on your system? apt-cache rdepends libstdc++5|wc -l counts 528, minus the two header lines10:24
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elmochmj: I don't have any record of a sync request for you from wget10:37
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Lathiatelmo: pitti asked for one yesterday10:38
Lathiatah,he said he asked10:39
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pittielmo: yes, I sorted that out with chmj, I asked before he uploaded ubuntu3. It can still be synced, though10:40
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pittiseb128: does the gstreamer polypaudio sink work for you? I get nothing but silence10:45
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seb128pitti: lemme try, I use alsasink atm10:45
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Lathiatpitti: from what i understand, its only basic10:47
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seb128pitti: polypaudio doesn't start ..10:47
pittiLathiat: basic what?10:47
Lathiatpitti: the plugin10:47
Lathiatit should work tho10:48
Lathiatfor basic values of workign10:48
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pittiHi Kamion 10:50
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danielsKamion: g'morning10:52
fabbionehey Kamion 10:52
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Kamionogra: good grief, your bug-day mail is a bit ZIPPY the PINHEAD :-)10:55
ograwas it to political ? :)10:57
danielsogra: i think he means TOTALLY RANDOM words capitalised THROUGHOUT the SENTENCE10:58
elmotoo ZIPPY.  ZIPPY.10:58
Lathiatnetwork manager sucks10:58
Lathiatif i have a cable in, it refuses,no matterhow many times i forceit bac, to stick on the wireless10:58
danielselmo: at least it was zippy rather than btaf10:58
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ograyes it was late... i'll do better next time :)10:58
Lathiatimt rying to use my ethernet temporarilyto talk to abox im setting up10:58
Lathiatand its imposible10:58
Lathiati had to kill it 15 times before it stopped spawning itself10:58
Kamionapt 0.6.39ubuntu1> hoorah10:59
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Kamionelmo: can we get the extraoverrides patch applied on the ftp-masters?10:59
Kamion(er, both machines, I mean)11:00
hungerWhy is python2.4-numarray trying to install gcc-3.4-base?11:00
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danielsKamion: we can patch ftp-masters?11:00
Kamionpatch omnic < useful.patch11:00
danielsKamion: damnit man, get out of my head11:01
elmodamn, you guys are HARSH11:02
Kamionelmo: we learnt from the master11:03
danielsKamion: now if only we could patch elmo11:04
Mithrandirdaniels: while for you it would be:11:07
Mithrandir+working x11:07
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danielsx works fine11:10
Lathiatdaniels: you back?11:11
Mithrandirdaniels: so we can patch you with bling again? :-)11:13
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danielsLathiat: hm?11:21
danielsMithrandir: everyone loves bling11:21
Lathiatdaniels: from whereever you were hiding making people do dodgy xorg uploads for you :)11:22
danielsoh, germany11:22
danielshey, I didn't ask for any of those11:22
Lathiatsure but you werent there to stop them! :)11:22
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\shpitti: ping11:31
\shthom: ping11:31
pitti\sh: boonngggggg11:31
\shpitti: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4679 11:31
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ograpitti, it boog day ! you'll see all this dusty old stuff today :)11:33
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pitti\sh: I know about that, warty is still vulnerable11:34
\shpitti: ok...and a backport from hoary to warty?11:34
pitti\sh: the pending warty update fixes some 20 vulns, but has a regression that needs to be sorted out first11:34
\shpitti: k thx 4 the info :)11:35
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pitti\sh: thanks to you guys for cleaning up :-)11:35
pittioops, I was thrown out of #u-bugs11:35
seb128just curious, who has decided to do a bug day today?11:37
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ograseb128, mdz, kiko and me11:40
seb128k, bad choice guys11:40
ograseb128, we didnt know about the gnomeaoutage11:40
seb128just picking the day where gnome.org is down11:40
seb128you point that for bug triage11:40
seb128and there is no way to do desktop bug triage11:40
ograseb128, but google chache works... you just cant change gnome bugs, but read them at least11:40
seb128no communication is bad11:41
ograseb128, its only the initial bugday... we'll have more of them11:41
seb128somebody would have send a mail 2 days ago ...11:41
seb128yeah, but still11:41
seb128why keeping that private until the bug day ?11:42
seb128I've read about the bug day when the topic has been changed here ...11:42
ograseb128, sorry, i planned to announce it earlier... it just didnt work, and its also a bad day for me, since i have to prepare for the edubuntu summit... we'll do better next time, for now we have at least the institution of a bug day...11:44
ska-fanWhat's the other images in the directory with the isos for the cds that hp ships with its notebooks? HP ships the 0516 version, what are the newer versions?11:44
hungerWho is working on the laptop task for breezy?11:46
ograhunger, mjg59 11:47
hungermjg59: My laptop (T43p) does not work very well. What can I do to help fix it?11:47
ograhunger, there was a announcement of a laptop testplan on the -devel mailling list... with a link to a wikipage ...11:48
Kamionska-fan: HP will be shipping newer versions11:48
hungerogra: I'll check...11:48
Kamionska-fan: we sent 20050627 to the factory for pressing on Monday11:48
Kamionska-fan: some of the older ones were a different project, that was fully integrated into Hoary11:49
HiddenWolfKamion, is it expected that they'll ship ubuntu in some volume?11:53
HiddenWolfAnd how in the lords name did you manage to get in there? :D11:53
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LathiatKamion: 2 million hoary cds?12:02
Lathiatoh sory12:03
Lathiat20 million!!! ?12:03
KamionHiddenWolf: I believe so; I've just been doing the image production, though - I haven't been involved in discussions beyond that12:09
KamionHiddenWolf: no idea, but I'm not complaining :-)12:09
HiddenWolfKamion, rock on. :)12:11
HiddenWolfBut they're shipping breezy? :S12:11
KamionHiddenWolf: no, slightly modified hoary12:11
Kamionmjg59's been doing a bunch of hacking for their laptops12:11
HiddenWolfright, cool12:12
Kamionska-fan: I'm told the 20050516 image was sent out to magazines as a preview12:12
ska-fanKamion: Ah. So when I need one such CD, and am not getting one from HP, I just use the latest one12:13
jordidid I read 20 million?12:13
Lathiatjordi: thats what i read12:13
ograjordi, yes, someone said that12:13
Lathiatjordi: and 50 thousand ;p12:13
HiddenWolfKamion, so can you say their laptops are fully supported? 12:13
ograjordi, <Kamion> ska-fan: we sent 20050627 to the factory12:14
Lathiatogra: that many what, specifically12:14
ogra$$ ?12:14
jordiogra: err, that's not a quantity, but a date?12:14
ska-fanthat's 2005-06-27 = 197212:14
Kamionska-fan: well, you won't be getting one from HP *just* yet because they haven't been pressed yet - it's not HP's fault :)12:15
ograjordi, it was a joke, yes12:15
Kamionska-fan: 20050627 should be fine, though, yes12:15
jordiogra: I'm veeery slow today12:15
jordiogra: I just said on a ml that apt 0.6 verifies sigs in .debs :)12:15
ska-fanKamion: but the notebooks without windows aren't available yet, too :/12:15
ograjordi, dont worry.... blame the heat :)12:15
Kamionska-fan: I don't know anything about that12:15
ograjordi, i read debian-gtk-gnome ;)12:16
KamionLathiat: oh, er, yes, that was a date, not a number12:16
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jordiogra: ok :ppp12:16
azeemand see whether ntfs is in there12:17
azeemeh, sorry12:17
jordiogra: we need to chat about that presentation I'm leading with JaneW.12:17
fabbioneand there... new cluster crack all over the place12:17
ograjordi, have you had a look at my first proposal ? 12:18
jordiogra: for apps? yeah. It nearly matches our (LliureX) selection12:18
ograjordi, http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDesktop12:19
jordiI wanted to add a few comments in the iki, but had no time last night12:19
ograi'm still looking for a easy gui backup tool.... there is absolutely nothing...12:20
ograi hoe we get a good one with the bounty....12:20
ograhope even12:20
seb128fedora has alsa a bounty for this12:21
ograseb128, geat to hear12:21
jordiogra: yeah, the SoC bounty hopefully helps12:21
ograi found uberbackup that looks quite good, but sillyness of the world, its written in realbasic...12:22
azeemnice name, though12:23
ograand realbasic source is binary o_O you can only see the real source in the realbasic editor.... 12:23
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jordimy mom just told me my grandfather is about to die. Better like this... :/12:24
fabbioneKamion: i need a fast breefing on d-i if you have time12:25
jordiwow, realbasic is braindead then12:25
ograjordi, absoultely...12:25
Kamionfabbione: sure?12:25
ograbinary sources *shakes head*12:25
fabbioneKamion: i need to start hacking around partman-auto-lvm.. can i still install it as custom udeb (udpkg -i) and get it to run properly?12:25
fabbioneKamion: if so.. when it's the best moment to do it?12:26
fabbione(i can use netinstall for sake of speed)12:26
Kamionfabbione: udpkg won't work properly because templates won't get registered with cdebconf if you do that; use the boot parameter anna/choose_modules=partman-auto-lvm12:26
Kamionfabbione: but use a scratch machine with nothing valuable on its disks ;-)12:26
fabbioneKamion: that will use the default... what if i need to use a custom one?12:27
fabbioneKamion: yeah clearly i am not going to play with it on my ws :)12:27
Kamionas long as you install the default one first, you can do udpkg -i after that12:27
Kamionproviding you don't change templates12:27
fabbionei hope i won't need that12:27
Kamionsorry, we haven't quite managed to figure out how to get debconf-loadtemplate to tell the running cdebconf instance about the new templates - it all gets confusing12:28
fabbioneoh it's ok.. i just need to know the way :)12:28
Kamionfailing that, fake up a mirror with your custom udeb12:28
fabbionei am not scared of messing round12:28
fabbionearound even12:28
fabbionemirror fake isn't an option here...12:28
Kamionno local mirror?12:29
fabbioneyes, but it's in use by the sparc buildd12:29
Kamioncp -al :)12:29
Kamionyou only need the udebs, anyway12:29
fabbioneor lvm snapshot?12:29
Kamionor that ...12:30
fabbioneyeah one or the other.. let me try the standard install first ;)12:30
fabbionelunch time anyway12:31
fabbionethanks "d-i allmighty"12:31
Kamioner, right :)12:34
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jordiogra: have you explored pythoncad?12:38
ograjordi, i've looked at the screenshots quite often12:39
ograbut never tried it12:39
ograjordi, can it cope with qucad (usability wise) ?12:40
jordiogra: *nod*. We planned using pythoncad, but we know little about CAD stuff so we can't evaluate it too well.12:41
jordiqcad has the qt dep which is annoying here.12:41
jordiogra: I don't really know how advanced it is, but there's pythoncad releases every few weeks12:41
ograyep, i know, but i havent found anything similar yet ... at least nothing i would consider mature enough12:41
jordiyeah, I fear pycad would be a bit too simple.12:42
ograthe same with scribus... passepartout is coming along great, but still feels too young12:42
jordieven so, could be enough for our current scope - schools and high schools12:42
jordiyeah, we ship passepartout, but it not good enough yet.12:43
tsengthey are both better than nothing12:43
tsengconsider that12:43
ogratseng, scribus isnt "nothing"12:44
tsengimagine shipping nothing and trying to do it in the gimp12:44
jordire: bluefish, well, NVU is WYSIWYG, while bluefish is "launch your web browser" :)12:44
ograas well as qcad12:44
hungerIs there a reason why I must bring up eth0 before being able to log into gnome?12:44
jorditseng: scribus is pretty cool actually.12:44
jordihunger: have the lo interface up?12:44
ograjordi, the people want dreamwaver... nvu is the nearest i guess12:44
hungerjordi: Yes, that was up before I tried.12:45
fabbioneKamion: it's a good start... i can see it gets downloaded, but it doesn't kick in at all :P12:45
tsenghunger: is your hostname in /etc/hosts pointing to the eth0 ip?12:45
hungertseng: Nope... only is listed there.12:46
Kamionfabbione: you don't get a "Use free space for the Logical Volume Manager" menu entry?12:46
seb128pitti: debian has polypaudio? that's new?12:47
Kamionfabbione: check for /lib/partman/automatically_partition/60vg_all_free/choices - you might like to hit that with 'set -x' or something12:47
Kamionfabbione: oh, and yay, I have a network interface again ;)12:48
jordiseb128: yeah, got in a week ago or so12:48
hungerI can not log onto gnome on my rather fresh breezy install:-(12:48
fabbioneKamion: no.. i don't get that option..12:48
fabbioneKamion: yeah dude.. the yesterday's marathon was just to get that in :)12:49
jordiogra: what about oregano for electronics'12:49
jordiogra: I'll bring my full list to london so we can discuss12:49
ograjordi, yeah...12:49
ograjordi, i havent thought about electronics yet...12:49
dokoelmo: please sync java-gcj-compat from incoming. after that, java-gcj-compat-dev needs to be moved out of the NEW queue, and to main (no added stuff, pitti already did look at it). there's currently one package uploaded b-d on java-gcj-compat-dev (gjdoc), so it should be pulled in from the seeds.12:50
mdkehunger, #ubuntu might be able to help you with that12:50
hungermdke: Good point... thanks.12:50
ogradoko, join #ubuntu-bugs, go and push your C++ stuff ;)12:50
Kamionnggg, apt is broken12:51
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fabbioneKamion: oh here it is.. now i do get the option...12:51
fabbioneKamion: i had to do some weird crack tho...12:51
Kamiondoesn't surprise me ...12:51
jordiogra: gcompris, childsplay for games12:52
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jordiogra: I'll put this up in the wiki comments12:52
ograjordi, oh, i forgot that... had gcompris on my initial list12:52
seb128jordi: the PTS is b0rked?12:53
fabbioneKamion: if what is the real status of that package.. there will be quite a lot of work to be done :)12:55
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Kamionfabbione: sure, it's a prototype12:55
fabbionei love crack12:55
fabbionefood is ready12:55
Kamionfabbione: I'm sure you could get commit access to d-i if you wanted to hack on it there12:55
Kamionor I can just commit your patches, whatever :)12:55
seb128jordi: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=polypaudio&searchon=names&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all !?12:56
fabbioneKamion: we will see how far i can go first.. i don't mind splitting up patches in simple bits12:56
Kamionseb128: that's not the PTS12:57
Kamionpackages.debian.org is an entirely different system - the PTS is packages.qa.debian.org12:57
seb128Kamion: I know, when I said PTS that's it http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/polypaudio.html returning a 40412:58
seb128Kamion: but I don't find it either on packages.debian.org12:58
Kamioncjwatson@newraff:~$ madison -r .\*polypaudio.\*01:00
Kamionit's in queue/new01:00
hungerWhy on earth does gnome need to write into /usr to start?01:00
seb128what gnome?01:01
seb128Kamion: oh, k, thanks01:01
hungerseb128: The one currently in breezy.01:01
pittiseb128: polypaudio is still in Debian's NEW01:01
seb128hunger: define gnome01:01
hungerseb128: I can only login after mounting /usr rw.01:01
pittiseb128: I maintain it together with otavio, but the first upload was only ~ 1 week ago01:01
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hungerseb128: Try mounting /usr rw...01:03
seb128pitti: k, I'm waiting to put the polypaudio sink for Debian too01:03
mdkevuntz, ok we will01:03
hungerseb128: I further need to bring up eth0 for the panel to work.01:03
seb128hunger: it's rw01:03
hungerseb128: Try remounting /usr ro and try again.01:04
mdkevuntz, ah sorry wrong chan ;)01:04
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seb128hunger: for the panel I doubt of that, or you have an applet waiting on the network ...01:04
hungerseb128: Possible...01:05
seb128anyway no need to write to /usr or to have eth001:05
hungerseb128: After starting gnome once with /usr mounted rw it is fine to have mount /usr ro again.01:05
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MithrandirDuck_Happy: thanks for the bug, btw.01:08
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hungerseb128: Try this: reboot, mount /usr ro, restart gdm, log into gnome.01:11
seb128lemme try01:12
hungerseb128: You will get a brown background, the progress indicator won't show.01:12
hungerseb128: stop gdm, start gdm, mount /usr rw, log into gnome: All works fine.01:12
ograhunger, he left01:13
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vuntzhunger: does it freeze loading an applet ?01:14
ograhunger, weather applet ? (or something similar)01:14
vuntz(while loading an applet)01:14
hungerogra: vuntz: seb128 suggested the applet idea.01:15
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vuntzhunger: what applet do you have on your panel?01:15
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hungervuntz: I just installed breezy... whatever that has by default.01:16
hungervuntz: I get nothing in the upper right corner...01:16
vuntzhunger: ok. And is nautilus running ?01:16
seb128works fine with /usr ro01:16
hungervuntz: How do I find out?01:16
vuntzhunger: right click on the desktop and see if you have a popup menu01:16
hungerseb128: It doesn't here.01:17
hungervuntz: Yeap, I get that.01:17
hungervuntz: I can access the CDROM via its icon as well.01:17
hungervuntz: It does freeze if I try to eject the cdrom though.01:18
vuntzhunger: so, you have a panel at the top of your screen. On this one, what can you see ?01:22
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hungervuntz: Applications, system, etc on the left, nothing on the right.01:23
vuntzhunger: do you have a panel at the bottom?01:23
hungervuntz: The lower has the Desktop thingy on the left and a pager and waste basket on the right.01:23
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hungerseb128: This is even weirder than I thought: It works with /usr mounted ro all the time, but I need to login once, restart gdm and log in again.01:25
hungerseb128: The secound time round the panels show up (first time there isen't even a startup notification), but it stays frozen.01:26
vuntzhunger: can you launch gconf-editor?01:27
hungerseb128: third login: everything works fine, applets show up, can eject cdrom.01:29
hungervuntz: Now I can... but this time the applets showed all up.01:30
vuntzhunger: so the panel is working?01:31
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hungervuntz: Yeap, after restarting gdm twice it works after logging in the third time (first login: black background only, secoud time: applets missing, third time: all is fine).01:34
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vuntzhunger: so everything is perfectly working ;-)01:36
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hungervuntz: really strange this...01:36
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jordimvo: have you seen your synaptic changelog? mvo: have you seen your synaptic changelog?01:47
mvojordi: pffff ... you can't peeve me with that :P01:47
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mvoit was so importend that it was worth mentioning twice :)01:48
\shdpkg-source: error: unrecognised file suffix `.tar'01:48
\shEntpack-Befehl dpkg-source -x gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7.dsc fehlgeschlagen.01:48
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mvo*cough* ... it shouldn't be too bad *cough*01:49
Kamion\sh: upgrade dpkg01:49
Kamiondpkg-dev, rather01:49
jordimvo: not *too* bad.01:50
=== mvo thinks he needs a string-police that always gives him a little bashing when he accidently changes strings again
mvojordi: how many this time?01:50
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\shajnew updates ;)01:50
jordi644 missatges traduts, 15 traduccions difuses, 4 missatges no traduts.01:50
mvooh well ... 01:51
seb128jordi: go go go translate01:51
seb128lazy guy01:51
jordiI'm so unmotivated to translate lately01:52
seb128go go go upload GNOME 2.10.2 01:52
mvojordi: there is this _huge_ package description string repository :)01:52
seb128or BTS clean, that's actually a good idea :)01:52
jordimvo: is the Recommends file a file named like that, or can I translate?01:54
mvojordi: can you give me the context please?01:54
jordimsgid "Bad regular expression '%s' in Recommends file."01:54
mvojordi: I think it should be left untranslated (the whole string). I'm sorry that a error message like this sneaked in again01:55
mvothis is something that a user should never ever see01:56
jordimsgid "could not open recommends file %s"01:56
mvosame, sorry :/01:56
jordishould this stanza have a capitalization?01:56
jordithat's what made me doubt.01:56
ograazeem, switching TV channels through Xchat ? 01:57
jordiseb128: no dude you clean the bts01:57
seb128jordi: no way01:57
azeemogra: forgot the /w in front of it01:57
jordiseb128: I have a better idea, I'm goign to interview you.01:57
azeemogra: irssi anyway, of course :)01:57
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mvojordi: I removed both strings from being translatable01:58
jordimvo: should this other message have it in capitals?01:58
mvojordi: just ignore both messages, the user will never see them and they will be gone in the next version. sorry for the trouble 01:58
Duck_HappyMithrandir: was i right ?02:00
MithrandirDuck_Happy: yeah, I got two other errors reports on the pkg-config list already too.02:01
Duck_HappyMithrandir: ho ok, i though i was perhaps too tired, but was unable ot build new panel, and sad02:01
MithrandirDuck_Happy: http://incoming.debian.org/ has the fixed package.02:03
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Duck_HappyMithrandir: great :-)02:03
MithrandirDuck_Happy: I've asked it to be synced into ubuntu too, so we should see it RSN.02:03
Duck_HappyMithrandir: nice, seb128 is gonna be happy02:04
Duck_HappyMithrandir: thanks :-)02:05
jordimvo: ok, ready.02:08
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mvojordi: already? that was quick (/me is impressed)02:09
jordiand sent :)02:09
mvojordi: thanks!02:10
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\shKamion: thx. helped02:20
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jordiseb128: I promise this time it'll be a short and fun interview02:22
seb128no no02:22
seb128interview ross :p02:22
jordiseb128: but people want to read about you.02:23
jordijust a few questions and we're done02:23
AwayWolfjordi, don't forget to take naughty pictures. -> "Seb128, famed hacker exposed!"02:24
jordiAwayWolf: I have a few good ones.02:24
jordiI still have a pending blog entry about how seb128 compares to some famous French fiction character.02:25
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Keybuksilly question, I'm sure, but why is there no l-r-m for 2.6.12-3-686 ?02:26
AwayWolfI'd imagine daniels is swamped with just making X work atm...02:27
danielsvariety of reasons02:32
Lathiatdaniels: do suse have some kind of xserver optimizations?02:34
Lathiatdaniels: it seems to load up stupidly fast when i hit ctrl=alt+backsapce02:35
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danielsthe only optimisations going around that I know of are ours02:36
Lathiatmaybe just whatever manager they are using loading really fast is fooling me02:36
TreenaksLathiat: KDM02:37
TreenaksLathiat: (at least, on my suse)02:37
LathiatTreenaks: i assumed so, why do they have no /etc/init.d/kdm ?02:37
TreenaksLathiat: because they're silly.. look in /etc/inittab02:38
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Lathiatits started from inittab?02:38
Lathiatbaha, thats almost as bad as djb02:38
jordiseb128: seb come on, look at #gnome-debian.02:38
TreenaksLathiat: oh wait02:39
TreenaksLathiat: it has S13xdm in rc5.d for me02:40
TreenaksLathiat: so it's using xdm02:40
Lathiatsee i sawthat02:40
Lathiatthats evil02:40
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seb128mvo: could you document what you change when you sync some packages with Debian? That's easier to know what the ubuntu changes are and for the next sync02:43
dokomdz, wasabi: libxerces2-java FTBFS, even when using jikes02:43
seb128just mention the changes/patches with the Changelog ...02:43
seb128doko: do you know when cairo will be updated for Debian ?02:43
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mvoseb128: yes, sorry02:44
seb128mvo: no need to be sorry :)02:44
dokoseb128: sorry, no. it's not in the NEW queue?02:45
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seb128doko: no02:46
seb128doko: but since you said there is no hurry because it requires a new gtk too I thought you were working on it02:47
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dokoseb128: no, the libgcj GTK peers need the new cairo, and the new GTK. So I disabled the use of cairo in libgcj.02:47
jordiseb128: you coward!02:48
seb128doko: k02:49
seb128jordi: what?02:49
seb128jordi: wanna fight? :p02:49
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jordino dude. I asked you a question!02:49
jordi#gnome-debian is waiting.02:49
seb128interview ross I said02:50
jordihe doesn't ping back. It's you!02:50
seb128I don't ping back neither :p02:50
jordi14:50 < seb128> interview ross I said02:50
jordihmm. I could use this.02:50
jordithat would make you appear like a villain02:50
seb128I could kick your ass02:50
jordiare you going to .fi?02:50
jordioh no you aren't.02:51
jordidamn it.02:51
jordiwe could do a real interview there.02:51
seb128ah ah02:51
jordidon't ruin my publication. It's only two easy questions I want to ask!02:51
seb128jordi: sorry but I've some real work to do :p02:52
jordiI could use that too...02:53
jordiseb128: this is not the end, sbastien bacher. I will be back.02:54
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TreenaksNobody expects the Catalan inquisition?02:58
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melodie_hello :)03:29
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JanCis there a known problem with esd in breezy or is it just my system that's fucked up ?  :-/03:33
TreenaksJanC: both ;)03:34
TreenaksI guess03:34
cogumbreiroJanC: esd works on my system, i updated it yesterday03:34
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melodie_I just found out a trick about burning and wish an advise03:35
melodie_I could not burn datas anymore for seveval weeks with error "wrong encoding chain caracters" message03:36
melodie_I just found out why when I did a 'ls -l' on one of the sub-repertories I could not burn:03:37
melodie_there was a hidden backfile matching a file I had moved03:38
melodie_but 03:38
melodie_it was totally invisible, save in the shell03:38
melodie_should it be reported as a bug ?03:39
melodie_and if so, rather in Bugzilla or to Gnome ?03:39
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JanCI installed polypaudio & that works03:44
pittiJanC: good to hear :-)03:46
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JanCprograms were hanging when trying to create (or use?) a pipe to esd or something like that03:47
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JanC(I have no real experience using strace)03:48
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[hawk] Hello!04:14
[hawk] I'm Vincenzo Di Massa... one of the Google Summer of Code students...04:15
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hungerfabbione: Sorry, forgot to attach a patch to #12065. Just attached one.04:43
fabbionehunger: please do... 04:44
hungerfabbione: I just did:-)04:44
fabbionehunger: what kind of attachment is that one?04:45
hungerfabbione: It's a bzip2'ed diff file.04:45
hungerfabbione: Oh, sorry, I was not aware that the description will end up as the name.04:46
fabbionehmm it's a bit intrusive patch.. where did you get it?04:47
hungerfabbione: tpmdd.sf.net.04:47
fabbioneok.. i will need to see if a) build b) doesn't break the ABI04:48
fabbioneif it breaks the abi i will have to queue it together with some other major changes04:48
hungerfabbione: The tpm driver in the kernel assumes all kinds of things to be static to whatever kylene uses;-)04:48
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fabbionethis is an ABI change04:49
hungerfabbione: This is what was changed when people started to shout;-)04:49
fabbioneif other modules are using tpm_time_expired than it's an issue :)04:49
hungerfabbione: Other modules shouldn't do it.04:49
fabbionewell we will see :04:50
hungerfabbione: So far nothing uses it but the trousers lib (which is userspace and not in ubuntu yet) afaik.04:50
fabbionehunger: an automatic test build will tell... :)04:51
hungerfabbione: I am sure the change will make it into the vanilla sources soon.04:51
fabbionehunger: if it will hit upstream soon, the better...04:51
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elmokamion: will you cry if I demote 2.6.10?04:55
fabbioneelmo: kill it04:56
fabbioneelmo: and kill 2.6.11 please04:56
fabbioneelmo: d-i uses .12 now04:56
elmokill as in remove from the archive kill?04:56
fabbioneelmo: yes04:56
elmowell, I'd like sign off from kamion; I'm scared of his vicious high kicks04:56
fabbionethe default is .1204:56
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elmokilled 2.6.11 in the meantime04:58
Kamion_elmo: fine by me04:58
elmokilling l-r-m 2.6.10 too05:01
ograelmo, killer05:01
pitticool, that will clean up ubuntu-cve05:02
elmouh, did someone reorganize l-r-m?05:03
elmowe seem to have 2.6.12 packages, but not built from l-r-m source and nothing is claiming to build all the non l-r-m packages (nvidia, x* etc.)05:03
tsengelmo: lrm isnt built for 2.6.12 yet05:04
ograelmo, we have no l-r-m for 2.6.12 yet05:04
fabbioneelmo: daniels was going to look at it05:04
fabbioneelmo: we have still a few problems to solve related to the compiler05:04
elmolinux-restricted-modules-386 | | breezy/restricted | i38605:05
elmotseng/ogra: :-P05:05
elmofabbione: hum, ok, I'll leave l-r-m alone then05:05
pittiogra: isn't that from linux-meta?05:05
pittierm, elmo^05:06
fabbioneelmo: you can kill l-r-m for .10 in breezy05:06
ograpitti, yep.... and linux-meta was modifiaed afaik05:06
fabbionethere is no point 05:06
elmofabbione: I'd rather not - it'd make them NEW, etc.05:06
elmoI'll kill it when we have 2.6.12 replacements05:06
fabbioneelmo: ok, but .10 are useless without .10 kernel05:06
fabbioneyou really can't use them in .1205:06
elmoyah, I know, it's purely a ease-of-archive-maintenance thing05:07
fabbionelinux-meta is ok :)05:07
fabbioneelmo: eheh eok05:07
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elmoKamion: dude, what's up with your ADSL?05:09
elmoyou're scaring me off of metronet05:09
chrissturmis it known that the .12 kernel doesnt work with ipw2100 (at least with wep) ?05:10
mdzseb128: I thought you were there during the discussion where we proposed this Wednesday...when was the gnome outage announced?05:10
pittiHey mdz05:10
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seb128mdz: I've not noticed anybody announcing a data05:11
seb128mdz: the GNOME outage is known for around 10 days I would say05:12
fabbionechrissturm: yes.05:12
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chrissturmfabbione, is it fixable? i saw someone fixed it by compiling the ipw2100 driver himself: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-bugs/2005-June/001820.html05:19
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Kamion_elmo: I'm beginning to conclude that it's nothing to do with Metronet; my router is actually rebooting all the time, not just losing line sync05:29
fabbioneKamion_: is that a linksys router?05:33
fabbioneelmo: can you kindly NEW the kernel for sparc?05:33
elmofabbione: already did05:33
robitailleKamion_:  did  you ever looked again at bug 2727 (see last comment there from you)?  I cannot reproduce it on my Hoary install05:38
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mdzKamion_: sorry about the apt breakage; I made the changes in a different tree from the one where I made the release from :-/05:48
dokoKamion_: some MOTUs want to fix C++ bugs. which is the easiest way to tell (for universe packages), which are out of date?05:49
hungerdoko: kexi is broken due to gcc transition (*hint* *hint*)05:50
dokohunger: fix it ;)05:51
bddebiandoko: According to the wiki most if not all are done05:51
dokobddebian: not the library list05:51
ograhunger, we are looking at easy to fix targets, that require one or two small dependency changes and a rebuild05:51
dokobddebian: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCxxTransition05:52
hungerYahoo, wireless utils are 28pre8 now! So I no longer need to roll my own.05:53
bddebiandoko: 99% of that list has a patch in Debian, unless it has been updated in the last day or two05:55
dokobddebian: it should be 100%05:57
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madduckbddebian: now it seems to work. I am ordering you a copy, ok?06:17
bddebianAwesome, thanks!06:17
madduckis that okay?06:18
madduckit's worth it... :)06:18
bddebianIf you pay for it. ;-P06:18
bddebianNah, that's fine06:18
madduckha ha.06:18
bddebianThat includes shipping?06:18
madduckbut not credit card charges06:18
madduckthey may be 1% or so06:18
madduckfor international06:18
madduckok. pressing ok06:19
madduck10... 9...06:19
madduck8... 7...06:19
bddebianIs that $69.40USD or Euro06:19
bddebianCool, press it man, press it! :-)06:19
madduck4... 3...06:19
madduck2... 1...06:19
bddebianANd that should arrive in about a year? ;-P06:19
madducki'll forward that email to you, even though it06:19
madduckyeah, with etch.06:19
madduckoops. this *is* ubuntu-devel... :)06:20
bddebianYeah, you blashpemer. :-)06:21
madduckwhatever. you all love me anyway. :)06:21
bddebianOf course we do06:21
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bddebianmadduck: Well at least both sides don't hate you like they do me.. ;-P06:21
Kamionelmo: looks like it's netgear that're thpethul - downgrading router firmware seems to have helped matters, touch wood06:22
madduckbddebian: http://rafb.net/paste/results/0bwJaS89.txt06:22
danielsmdz: any comments on the seen flag with preseeding issue?06:22
elmokamion: DOWNgrading?? what router do you have?06:23
Kamiondaniels: what's that?06:23
danielsKamion: matt's seeing auto_answer stomping all over his layout when he preseeds stuff06:24
Kamionelmo: dg834g. 1.05.00 bad, 1.04.01 good. enormous thread at http://forum1.netgear.com/support/viewtopic.php?t=1366 about it06:24
danielsKamion: so preseeding foo/bar=baz appears not to set the seen flag of foo/bar, afaict06:24
danielseither that or I'm on crack and -33 will fix it06:24
bddebianmadduck: :-)06:24
Kamiondaniels: preseeding has always set the seen flag - it's only recently that it's even been possible to preseed something without setting the seen flag06:25
bddebianmadduck: Was that before you copied it?? ;-)06:25
danielsKamion: crack wins the day!06:25
madduckbddebian: nah, i only pasted it to #hax0rz-lair06:25
Kamiondaniels: of course, maybe I'm assuming that he's using the standard preseeding code06:25
bddebianmadduck: Sweet, thanks! :-)06:26
Kamionmdz: are you using debconf-set-selections, or manual db_set etc.?06:26
mdzKamion: in which context?06:26
mdzoh, xorg06:26
mdzI'm doing SET through debconf-communicate06:26
Kamionand not FSET?06:26
Kamion(and why debconf-communicate?)06:27
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mdzKamion: it didn't seem wise to source confmodule in an init script06:28
mdzKamion: and no, I don't use fset in that bit at the moment06:29
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Kamionok, sounds like an easy fix then06:29
KamionI think you might be the first person to attempt to use debconf from an init script06:29
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mdzKamion: so I just need to set the seen flag, and everything will work as I expected it to originally?06:36
mdzauto_answer seems insane to me though06:36
mdzit's wrapping appropriate logic which already exists in debconf for using the default if the question isn't asked06:37
danielsnot quite06:37
Kamionmdz: dunno, was really just answering daniels' question about preseeding - I thought he was talking about the preseed package at first06:37
danielsmdz: it will pick a sensible default dynamically, which you can't do otherwise06:38
Kamionthere's no easy way in debconf to set the default to something different than is in the templates file06:38
danielsi agree in general the code is crack, but there are worse abominations than auto_answer06:38
danielsto be fair, the seen flag really is the best metric for 'has this question been answered?'06:38
Kamionyeesh, we've switched to libiw28?06:41
Kamionnobody told the installer :-/06:41
mdzKamion: oh, substitutions aren't valid in the default field?06:42
danielsmdz: anyway, once you do that, force_keyboard_redetection (later to be autodetect_keyboard) should be sweet06:42
Kamionmdz: no, Debconf::Question::value() does not do _expand_vars()06:42
danielsdoes anyone here actually have i810 desktop hardware?  need to test a (rather belated) hoary update before I uplaod it06:42
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mdzKamion: is there a good reason for that?  this isn't the first use case that has come up06:42
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Kamionmdz: I imagine dynamic defaults weren't envisaged originally06:43
mdzthis stuff is in matt.zimmerman@canonical.com/ltsp--main--0 (and the ltsp source package) if anyone's curious06:43
Kamionso SET would have been sufficient06:43
zanagaKamion: which package should i report a bug of floppy module being constantly re-installed during installation?06:43
Kamionnow I guess I'd be slightly concerned about breaking compatibility, although hopefully nobody's actually put "${...}" in a default without meaning it to be a variable06:43
Kamionzanaga: it's already reported, and should be harmless except for slowing stuff down a bit06:44
zanagaKamion: yeah, it's harmless. But it's starting to get on my nerves =)06:44
Kamionmdz: well, I mean dynamic defaults in combination with reconfiguration06:44
Kamionmdz: hmm, apt 0.6.39ubuntu4 is an odd almost-no-op upload and removed my changelog entries from 0.6.39ubuntu{2,3}06:48
mdzKamion: you missed the error message in apt-key, and it was easier to reapply my changes from the other tree than to debdiff.  I'll merge in the changelog entries06:50
mdzKamion: changelog entries are restored in arch06:51
mdzI wonder if apt is hct-able06:51
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pittielmo: please sync ruby1_8 1.8.2-9 from incoming06:58
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elmois this going to kill my amd64 buildds again? :P07:03
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pittiseb128: any idea where the gnome games went to? I have gnome-games installed, but the package is empty and there's nothign in the menu07:14
pittiseb128: surely a GTK bug, but I'd wanted to ask anyway *duck*07:14
seb128pitti: are you sure it's installed?07:14
seb128pitti: and not rc? 07:14
pitti$ LANG=C sudo apt-get install gnome-games07:15
pittignome-games is already the newest version.07:15
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elmoinfinity/fabbione/thom: apache2 can't run separate virtual hosts as different users right?07:15
elmo[and can apache1.3] 07:16
seb128pitti: funny :p07:16
thomno, no07:16
pittiseb128: sorry for bothering, but that doesn't look right...07:17
tsengelmo: the only way i know of apache running with seperate prililages is suexec07:17
tsengelmo: which is also evil07:17
thomelmo: as tseng says, you can run cgis as different users with suexec07:17
tsengsuid, boo, hiss07:17
seb128pitti: no worry :)07:18
pittiseb128: install --reinstall did the trick07:18
maswanso, are the apache folks planning on solving this in a better way then?07:18
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seb128pitti: cool07:19
danielselmo: theoretically, you could do this sort of thing with perchild07:20
danielsbut perchild is thpethul07:20
danielsseb128: i just fixed about 30 functions with unchecked arguments in xcursor.  this is your fault.07:21
seb128thanks :)07:21
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elmodaniels/tseng/thom: thanks07:22
whiprushogra: have you gotten much feedback on gnome-power?07:23
jordithe name is cool07:25
ograwhiprush, not much yet07:25
whiprushis it mature enough for me to test out? (ie does it work?)07:26
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ograits good for showing the battery state for now, orthe stuff will get waved in soon07:29
ograit needs some integration love ut does no harm, try it :)07:30
ograbut even07:30
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StoneTablemvo:  would you mind if I wrote a patch for bug 12226?07:37
mvoStoneTable: IIRC this is fixed already, could you please check?07:38
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mvoStoneTable: could you please verify if it is still a problem. if you, a patch is very welcome of course :)07:39
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StoneTableThere were still issues with it as of this morning07:40
torkelmvo: it is not fixed in 2.59-0.2ubuntu307:40
mvotorkel: ok07:42
mvoa patch is welcome then :)07:44
StoneTableokay, I'll tackle that next then, and attach the patch to the bug report07:44
mvogreat, thanks!07:44
torkelStoneTable: if you need anyone to test the patch let me know07:45
StoneTableokay, cool, thx07:45
torkelmy python knowledge is less than desirable or I would have given it a try myself07:46
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chuck_3/window 307:51
danielselmo: could you please install libglide2-dev in concordia/hoary-i386?08:00
elmodaniels: done08:02
elmois fascinating and disturbing reading08:02
danielsKamion: so, uhm08:03
danielsKamion: sort of discovered a bit of a brown-paper-bagger at linuxtag08:03
danielsKamion: intel i915 hardware is listed as vesa still within discover1-data.  which means unaccelerated desktops.08:03
danielsKamion: if we drop a one-line change (which I uploaded to breezy recently) into hoary, whenever people next update xserver-xorg, their config will get rewritten to use i810 and thus have an accelerated desktop (2D as well as 3D).08:04
danielsKamion: is that worth a hoary-update?08:04
danielsnoting that d1-data is trivially small08:04
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danielselmo: bzip2 pls08:07
danielselmo: or just all the xorg b-ds in general08:07
elmo0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.08:07
Kamiondaniels: seems reasonable to me; I suppose we can tell people to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg08:07
elmofor xorg?08:07
elmoand bzip2 is installed?08:08
danielsKamion: sure08:08
danielselmo: blah, must've landed in the middle of an apt run or something, because concordia/hoary-i386 was telling me to install bzip208:09
dokopitti,elmo: please could you promote java-gcj-compat-dev to main?08:10
pittidoko: I can't08:11
lamontpitti: and here I had been impressed with your new super-powers.08:12
elmodaniels: sorry, yeah, I did a sly dist-upgrade08:12
pittilamont: they still have to grow, I'm afraid :-)08:13
danielselmo: ahr08:13
danielselmo: nothing can escape my roving eye08:13
dokopitti: but you can approve it?08:13
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Kamionjava-gcj-compat-dev seems not in need of approval, unless it has vast wodges of new deps08:14
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pittiKamion: AFAIU it was just a package split08:15
pittidoko: didn't I already do that yesterday? it's a no-brainer08:16
Kamiondoko: promoted08:17
Kamionhooray, CD build actually debootstraps successfully now08:19
danielsnice :)08:19
Kamionbe grateful for small mercies08:20
dokoKamion: thanks08:28
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danielsseb128: xcursor uploaded08:40
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Kamionsigh, I still get "Error" "failed to initialize HAL"08:46
Kamionpitti: any ideas? this is a fresh install08:46
Kamion.xsession-errors says:08:47
Kamion** (gnome-session:29555): WARNING **: Host name lookup failure on localhost.08:47
Kamionand shortly afterwards a complaint from g-v-m that HAL is not running08:47
Kamiondunno whether the localhost thing is related though08:47
Kamionand 'host localhost' works fine08:47
ska-fanGot localhost in /etc/hosts ?08:48
Kamiondefault install, dude :)08:49
danielselmo: i think concordia would like a biger disk08:49
Mithrandirlike 666G instead of 66G?08:50
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ograMithrandir, uhh devlish08:56
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danielsoh, bloody hell09:01
danielselmo: any chance we could blacklist xresprobe from syncs?09:01
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mxpxpodseb128: ping09:16
seb128mxpxpod: pong09:16
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mxpxpodseb128: I filed a bug yesterday against gnome-panel regarding libwnck and the workspace switcher... have you read it yet?09:17
seb128the stuff fixed with a rebuild ?09:18
mxpxpodyeah, a rebuild of libwnck09:18
seb128no clue of the issue09:18
seb128works fine for me on i38609:18
seb128and no other bug about that09:18
seb128any explanation of the bug?09:18
mxpxpodit's really strange, but it affects gnome-power as well09:19
mxpxpodseb128: it must only be on powerpc09:19
mxpxpodseb128: what do you mean?09:19
seb128any idea of why it bugs?09:20
seb128I've no bug from other ppc users09:20
seb128and we have for sure other ppc users09:20
seb128Kamion, pitti: do you run the current gnome-panel on ppc?09:20
mxpxpodno clue... just that error on the command line that I put in the bug09:22
mxpxpodthat's really strange09:22
seb128Kamion, pitti: that's about #1224109:23
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mxpxpodseb128: also, the workspace switcher applet's preferences gives me an error about an invalid schema09:25
seb128are you sure than the packages are correctly installed?09:26
seb128what error exactly?09:26
mdzdaniels: the easiest way to prevent it from syncing would be to upload a -ubuntuN version09:26
mxpxpodFailed: Failed: Schema `/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/display_all_workspaces' specified for `/apps/panel/applets/applet_88/prefs/display_all_workspaces' stores a non-schema value09:26
mxpxpodFailed: Failed: Schema `/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/num_rows' specified for `/apps/panel/applets/applet_88/prefs/num_rows' stores a non-schema value09:26
danielsmdz: it seems horribly wrong, though, given that we're the upstream version that debian makes modifications (that we do not want to sync) to09:27
danielsmdz: i.e. the debian packager would always need to be one revision down09:27
mxpxpodseb128: ok, I just re-installed gnome-panel-data and did a gconftool-2 --shutdown09:28
mxpxpodand then pkilled gnome-panel and it works fine now09:28
seb128imho that's a local problem during the package install on your box09:29
mxpxpodok, I'm going to try re-downloading the libwnck packages and see if that fixes my issue09:30
mxpxpodseb128: it probably is... maybe gconf was still running when I installed, or something09:30
seb128the packages reload the gconf base when installing keys09:30
seb128so that should not be an issue09:30
mxpxpodnope, re-downloading the libwnck packages from ubuntu doesn't help09:31
mxpxpodseb128: hmmm... maybe the postinst didn't run correctly09:31
mxpxpodanyway, I'm really not sure what's up with libwnck... I'm getting that error:09:36
mxpxpod/usr/lib/gnome-panel/wnck-applet: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libwnck-1.so.16: R_PPC_REL24 relocation at 0x0ff77fc8 for symbol `malloc' out of range09:36
mxpxpodI downloaded the source of libwnck and recompiled and the recompiled packages don't give me that error09:36
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mdzdaniels: yeah, I guess that would be awkward too09:49
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pittiseb128: no, I don't09:59
seb128any idea about the "/usr/lib/libwnck-1.so.16: R_PPC_REL24 relocation at 0x0ff77fc8 for symbol `malloc' out of range" ?09:59
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bryanfseb128: just so you know, this is mxpxpod10:06
bryanfdid kamion respond?10:07
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bryanfthat's such a strange bug... I'm not sure if it has something to do with gcc-4.0 because I haven't used it enough10:07
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mxpxpodseb128: will you be online later tonight?10:18
seb128depending of "later"10:18
mxpxpodseb128: around 8:00 CDT10:19
seb128what is CDT?10:19
seb128maybe 1-2 hours from now before sleeping10:19
mxpxpodcentral standard time on daylight savings10:19
danielsseb128: slacker10:19
seb128is that american?10:19
mxpxpodseb128: yeah10:19
seb128daniels: shut up :p10:19
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Kamionseb128: sorry, don't know, I haven't been quite current on powerpc for a while10:34
seb128k, np10:34
Kamionanyone else have any clue about the hal thing?10:35
seb128what hal thing?10:35
Kamionshould I ignore it for the purposes of Colony 2?10:35
Kamion19:46 < Kamion> sigh, I still get "Error" "failed to initialize HAL"10:35
Kamion19:47 < Kamion> .xsession-errors says:10:35
Kamion19:47 < Kamion> ** (gnome-session:29555): WARNING **: Host name lookup failure on localhost.10:35
Kamion19:47 < Kamion> and shortly afterwards a complaint from g-v-m that HAL is not running10:35
Kamion19:47 < Kamion> dunno whether the localhost thing is related though10:35
Kamion19:47 < Kamion> and 'host localhost' works fine10:35
Kamiondialog when logging into GNOME after a default install10:35
danielsgtk bug and all that10:36
seb128I've the same warning about localhost here but not hal issue10:37
seb128I guess that's not the same issue10:37
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hughsieogra: ping?11:35
ograhughsie, hi11:36
hughsieogra, you done any work on gnome power manpage? I was hoping to release 0.0.6 this week and wondered if you want me to include it upstream?11:37
ograhughsie, nope, i must prepare my talks etc for the summit on the weekend, i cant do much this week11:37
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hughsieogra: sorry about that - you'll piss yourself laughing when you hear what I just did..11:40
ogratell me :)11:40
hughsietesting the low battery notification in gpm, but forgot to put the ac back in. The warning was copletely disregarded!11:41
ograyou played with gpm11:41
hughsieanyway, whats the verdict on the manpage?11:41
ograhughsie, i must prepare my talks etc for the summit on the weekend, i cant do much this week, probably tomorrow evening in the hotel ...11:42
hughsiedont worry about it mate, i wondered if it was ready to go..11:43
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ograno, i havent done much beside watching porn pages ( i have to talk about content filtering and had to test squidguard configs)11:45
hughsieogra: lol !11:45
ograbut thats an awful thing, lots and lots of false positives11:45
ogranearly all parental control software advertising pages ...11:46
maswanwoudl http://porno.acc.umu.se/ be caught?11:46
hughsielol, not cool..11:46
ogralots of stuff where porn is mentioned without being a porn site... even some church pages11:47
maswan(hey, that was selected Geek site of the day, 15 of May 1996!)11:47
ogramaswan, yep11:47
ogra403 :)11:48
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hughsieogra: on gnome-power-devel we are discussing whether the icons in gpm should be generated on the fly (like now, with an overlay)11:55
hughsieor just taken from a set of icons that could be themed11:55
hughsieDavid Zeuthen is very keen on the seporate icons idea, and i just wondered on your view11:55
ogracould you get it upstream (hicolor-theme) ?11:56
ograso a default set is always in there 11:56
hughsieyes, not a problem.11:56
ograi saw the thread btw :)11:56
ograi would go a themed way, to make it easier for icon designers and distros to adjust it to their needs11:57
hughsiethats what david said.11:57
hughsiebut i'm not sure about creating circa 50 icons for al the different devices and states11:58
ograthats easy with gimp... you normally have only one background with a handfull of variants11:58
hughsiepoint. so you would say go with david?12:00
hughsiewhat about making it configurable?12:00

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