siretarthuhu ajmitch hi bddebian12:05
bddebianHello siretart12:05
ajmitchhey siretart12:06
ajmitchdid revu get it's home sorted out?12:06
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:ogra] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | NEW package? go here: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ || Welcome Unfrgiven as new MOTU *rock* | BugDay !! June 29 2005 in #ubuntu-bugs join in, go squash !
siretartUnfrgiven: welcome in the team :)12:09
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uniqhmm. am i just lost, or isn't there a option to make wiki pages anymore?12:09
ajmitchah, smeg is up on revu12:09
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siretartogra: I think revu is also good for any kind of revu12:09
siretartajmitch: yeah, I wanted to test 'sponsoring'. so I uploaded smeg to revu12:10
ograsiretart, i have only added the last part ;)12:10
ograchange the rest as you like :)12:10
ajmitchlast I heard he hadn't checked compatibility with the latest gnome-menus12:10
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:siretart] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | package for reviewing (NEW or updated)? go here: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ || Welcome Unfrgiven as new MOTU *rock* | BugDay !! June 29 2005 in #ubuntu-bugs join in, go squash !
siretartogra: done :)12:11
ajmitchsiretart: thanks for all your hard work.. :)12:12
ajmitchI'd like to do something similar to ogra's build logs page12:12
ajmitchexcept that it does a bit more processing - just showing the latest build for the latest version of which package12:13
ajmitchso that you can get a summary list of what universe packages FTBFS today :)12:13
siretartajmitch: \sh already hacked sbuild for usage with revu, so autobuilding will be possible soon12:13
ajmitchsiretart: great12:13
ajmitchI'm wanting to do this for the main logs that ogra pulls from lamont's dir12:14
siretartajmitch: the problem is: I cannot run sbuild on tauware.de, because I cannot setup /proc inside a chroot12:14
lamont__siretart: why not?12:14
lamont__btw, many things work just fine without /proc in the chroot....12:15
lamont__but some things don't...12:15
siretartlamont__: linux vserver works a bit like bsd jails, but you have root inside the vserver not with all linux capabilities12:15
lamont__ah, ok12:16
siretartlamont__: it's like a real root, but I have no local loopback, cannot mount anything, cannot change date and so on12:16
siretartbut its fast!12:16
ajmitchhopefully xen will be usable with breezy12:16
lamont__ajmitch: that'd be cool12:16
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ajmitchbut I think I should wait until I'm somewhere with bandwidth :)12:19
\shi can't believe it12:19
\shOgra: You blogged...:)12:19
ograheh :)12:19
ajmitchhe blogged?..12:20
\shand because of this, i had to update my article12:20
ajmitchwhat's so special about that? :)12:20
ograonce in a while i do that, yes :)12:20
Unfrgivenhi all12:20
Unfrgiventseng: thanks :)12:20
Unfrgivensiretart:  thanks :)12:20
\shbecause after the fall of the sack of rice in a small province of china, this is a important news ;)12:20
ajmitchhey Unfrgiven, welcome to the team :)12:20
Unfrgivenajmitch: thanks :) im pumped about it!12:21
ajmitchUnfrgiven: great, now get back to work ;)12:21
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\shRead everything about unfrgiven, revu and ogra on the planet ;)12:21
ajmitchit looks like we have a few packages in universe that aren't in debian12:22
ajmitchat least not in debian main12:22
Unfrgivenactually i was going to send out an email to the motu team today12:22
Unfrgivengiven that there is UVF next week, perhaps we should put some effort into packaging the popular apps from gnomefiles.org12:23
tseng"next week"?12:23
tsengis that like, hard freeze, or MOM turned off12:23
Unfrgiven7th july right?12:23
ajmitchMOM turned off12:24
ajmitchwe can still throw crack into universe if needed12:24
tsengi dont work in universe12:25
Unfrgivenso when is the cutoff for universe?12:25
siretartis uploading of c++ applications allowed already?12:25
Unfrgivendarn ive forgotten what MOM stands for again....12:27
Unfrgivengoogle doesnt help much there :)12:27
tsengi need a bot to parse MOM and stand? for12:27
ajmitchUnfrgiven: release - 1 hour :)12:28
ajmitchI think that's about when it was cutoff for hoary12:28
Unfrgiven\sh: thanks!12:29
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Unfrgivennow that im a motu, what do i need to do to get my address whitelisted? just email my gpg id to keyring@ubuntu?12:41
MezUnfrgiven, is it in the strong set?12:42
tsengi signed it12:42
Mezah fair enoguh12:43
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MezI'm tried12:43
MezI'm in the strong set (ty to riddell)12:43
Mezbut I'm confused as to what needs doing for the MOTU :D12:43
ajmitchMez: a bunch of MOTUs & others signed it at UDU12:43
ajmitchso I'd say it's fairly good12:44
Mezoh fair enough12:44
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Unfrgivenso do i just paste the output of "gpg --list-keys ankur" in an email to keyring? thats it? do i get a confirmation?12:45
tsengUnfrgiven: sign the mail12:46
Unfrgiventseng: k, done. now should i expect a reply?12:49
tsengUnfrgiven: possibly not12:49
tsengUnfrgiven: i got one12:50
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Unfrgivenand is the process automated?12:50
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Unfrgivenfair enough.12:52
Unfrgivenajmitch: did i tell you that im going to be in auckland next week?12:53
ajmitchno, you didn't12:53
ajmitchbut I'm down in Dunedin12:53
ajmitchwhat are you visiting auckland for?12:53
Unfrgivenoh yeah thats right. student town :)12:53
Unfrgivenvisitng my in-laws.12:53
ajmitchah, fun12:53
ajmitchyou might have mentioned that :)12:54
siretartok. gn8 folks!12:58
ajmitchnight siretart12:58
Unfrgivensiretart: nite mate12:58
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sistpotymv sistpoty /dev/bed01:29
sistpotygn8 together ;)01:29
ajmitchnight :)01:29
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | package for reviewing (NEW or updated)? go here: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ || Welcome Unfrgiven as new MOTU *rock* | BugDay !! June 29 2005 in #ubuntu-bugs join in, go squash !
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HostingGeekubuntulog: back again?06:21
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\shmorning :)08:16
\shI'm rich I don't believe it08:17
ajmitchshare your riches! ;)08:17
\shmy salary just reached my account ;)08:18
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ajmitchhey jerome08:18
jsgotangcoOT: is there a Red Hat guy in the house08:19
ajmitchdrbyte is in -devel, isn't he?08:20
jsgotangcooh right08:20
jsgotangcoi'm setting up an oracle server here that only requires rh ad/es 2.1 -> 3.0 but its kinda strange on the setup08:20
jsgotangcobut if i boot ubuntu everything works fine08:20
ajmitchbut you don't get oracle support on ubuntu yet :)08:21
jsgotangcothats right08:21
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\shUnfrgiven: ping *g*08:49
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ivoks\sh: i fixed a package in universe, do I just upload it or it needs review?09:03
ivoksit's simple change.. use gksudo instead of gksu09:03
\shivoks: upload :) u have the right:)09:03
ivoksall right! :)09:04
ivoksfsck.. wrong destination :)09:05
ivoksalmost did upload to revu :)09:05
ivoksok, uploaded...09:07
ivoksbut i'm not sure it's there :)09:08
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siretartivoks: are you sure you uploaded to tauware.de? I do not see anything in the UploadQueue09:11
ivoksi didin't09:12
siretartah. ic09:12
ivoksthis isn't a new package, it doesn't need review09:12
ivoksso i uploaded directly to repository :)09:12
siretartah. even better :)09:13
ivoksor whatever it is at upload.ubuntu.com :)09:13
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ivoksbut i think my upload is droped :)09:15
\shivoks: it doesn't matter what part of a country...at least there is good beer, coffee and piece :)09:26
ivoksok then09:27
ivoks\sh: my upload is droped09:28
ivoksstill can't upload :)09:28
ivoksi guess i have to contact elmo :)09:28
ivokswell, time to go now..09:29
ivokssee you09:29
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tsengbug day.02:07
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Mithrandirhi tseng, Treenaks02:19
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tsenghi Mithrandir02:44
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chrissturmhey guys!02:46
chrissturmhow can i install ghc6 to my pbuilder env?02:47
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chrissturmhow does bindmount work with pbuilder? i have ghc installed in /usr/local and i need to have it in my pbuilder env to bootstrap ghc03:39
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kikoAmaranth, can we have you in #ubuntu-bugs for a moment?04:28
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uniqhow can i get access to changing status of bugs in bugzilla?05:32
ograuniq, ask in #ubuntu-bugs :)05:36
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punkrockguy318ogra, hello05:39
ograhey punkrockguy31805:39
punkrockguy318i'd be interested in join the motu team.  i'm an ameteur coder with a lot of time on my hands.  especially this summer, heh05:40
ograpunkrockguy318, thats great :)05:41
punkrockguy318ogra, there are probably some things I need to learn before I can become very effective, but I am more than willing to learn05:42
ograpunkrockguy318, easiest is to start with some package for a transition (mass change) they are mostly easy to fix (adding removing a dependency)05:42
chrissturmogra: i am having a hard time with ghc05:42
ograpunkrockguy318, yep, roughly knowing the debian new maintainers guider is a good start05:42
punkrockguy318ogra, yeah, i'll take a look at that05:42
ograchrissturm, sorry for that... didnt \sh say he'll help as soon as e has time ?05:43
punkrockguy318ogra, and also, I haven't even upgraded to breezy yet.  Should I install breezy on another partition?05:43
chrissturmpunkrockguy318, look at the pbuilder howto05:43
ograpunkrockguy318, you dont need breezy, you can use a breezy pbuilder05:43
ograpunkrockguy318, the howto is on wiki.ubuntu.com05:44
punkrockguy318alright, i'll take a look at it05:44
punkrockguy318thank you05:44
ogramake yourself familiar with debuild and pbuilder and you know the very basic tools...05:44
ograadditionally look at the NM guide and you know packaging... then grab a transition package and fix it ;)05:45
chrissturmogra, can you tell me how bindmount works?05:45
bddebianDebian New Maintainer guide05:46
ograpunkrockguy318, i heard doko has about 500 of such packages that are very easy to fix, probably he can mention one to you and you can learn by examining it05:46
kikodoko is the man with packages05:46
chrissturmogra, i installed ghc to /usr/local from a binary, and i need it in the pbuilder chroot05:46
ograbddebian, same for you we have a big bunch of packages that just need a dependency added :)05:46
punkrockguy318ogra, excellent!05:47
ogravery low hanging fruit05:47
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punkrockguy318bddebian, thanks05:47
punkrockguy318ogra, great, i'll read this material and then I will talk to doko05:47
punkrockguy318ogra, does the motu have a mailing list?05:47
ograpunkrockguy318, we use ubuntu-devel05:48
dokoogra, punkrockguy318: unfortunately we don't have a nice overview which packages exactly did fail.05:48
ogradoko, not yet05:48
ogradoko, i think 500 pgks are worth a list05:48
bddebianogra: I was actually trying to build fpc-2.0.0 last night05:49
ograchrissturm, read up about hooks in pbuilder...05:49
dokoogra: there's a wiki page listing all existing C++ bug reports for applications in universe ...05:50
chrissturmogra: got an url?05:50
ograchrissturm, nope05:50
ograchrissturm, i can only point to google...05:50
chrissturmok, i think i  found it in the pbuilder manual05:51
punkrockguy318ogra, doko: this is excellent! thank you all for your guidance in helping me help ;-)  well, I will be back later, i'm going to go shower.  i'll study this material and then I will get back to you doko.05:51
ograpunkrockguy318, youre welcome... if you got questions, just drop them in this channel, there is always someone to help around05:52
dokopunkrockguy318: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCxxTransition05:52
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bddebianpunkrockguy318: Notice how ogra ignores me though. :-)06:09
kikobddebian, that's because you talk to people who don't exist <wink>06:10
ograkiko, to ehom do you talk ? :-P06:12
ograbddebian, is that from UniverseCandidates ?06:13
bddebianogra: Yeah06:14
ograalready familiar with revu ?06:15
bddebianANd it's a strange thing anyway.  I was going to attempt CDBS but the guy already has all the Debian specific stuff in a folder06:16
bddebianOMG, I can't believe I just said folder06:16
kikofolder, folder, bddebian said folder06:16
bddebianPlease kill me now!06:16
bddebianHello ivoks06:17
ivoksbddebian: hi06:19
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bddebianThank you06:19
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ograbddebian, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU06:22
ograbddebian, if you got it ready, put it there for revirew06:22
bddebianogra: I don't because of what I said above.. :-(  When I tried to do a dpkg-buildpackage just using his current rules/control/etc, I get a permission denied because it tries to run dpkg-buildpackage in clean:: ??06:24
ograbddebian, you did build it from scratch ?06:25
bddebianogra: Define "from scratch"  You mean ./configure && make from scratch?06:25
ograbddebian, i mean dh_make06:26
ograor any equivalent06:26
bddebianogra: No, because he already had all the Debian specific stuff there06:26
ograwhich didnt work apparently ...06:27
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bddebianogra: Aye, but that's because of your goofy sudo stuff ;-)06:36
ograbddebian, never use root if orking with source packages... thats what fakeroot is for06:37
ograand to build the binary, take pbuilder06:37
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bddebianI haven't set up pbuilder yet. :-(06:38
punkrockguy318ogra: hey, i'm looking at the pbuilder howto... are we builing a chroot for breezy or hoary?06:38
ograi.e. fakroot dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa should build you a new source package (given the orig.tar.gz is around)06:38
ograpunkrockguy318, build it for hoary and then update to breezy06:39
ivoksman pbuilder06:39
punkrockguy318ogra: oh, thanks!06:39
bddebianogra:  debian/rules clean06:46
bddebian/usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage: line 175: debian/rules: Permission denied06:46
ograbddebian, how did you unpack the source package ?06:46
bddebianogra: tar -xzf06:46
ograbddebian, oh06:46
ograso you got a native package... nasty06:47
bddebianI get the same error with dpkg-buildpackage -us -tc06:47
ograbddebian, sure, make rules executable...06:48
ograbut that isnt a good start, native packages are not nice06:48
bddebianWell like I said I wanted to take his rules and configure files and CDBSize them but I don't know CDBS very well06:49
\shdon't use cdbs then06:50
\shu should learn the basics06:50
bddebianHmm, new error "bad interpreter"06:51
ograbddebian, you shouldnt use cdbs in the beginning, start with debhelper, if you feel safe with that, look at cdbs06:51
bddebianDo I pretty much have to do it in a pbuilder environment?06:54
\shu should use it...it has only advantages06:55
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punkrockguy318why must authentication be disabled to you pbuilder?07:06
tsengit doesnt07:06
tsengyou can alternatively install gpg in the chroot07:06
tsengwith sudo pbuilder login --keep-after-login or something like that07:07
tsengsee the manpage07:07
tsengmaybe we should put gpg in the pbuilder set of essential packages on bootstrap07:07
\shtseng: not advised, just because when u build more then one package, and one of them is depending on the other, and u use to test your own repos07:08
\shfor testing purposes is unauthenticated ok..07:09
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mfgaliziSo, who do I have to bribe to get a package reviewed?07:14
punkrockguy318How would you go about building a package without pbuilder?07:14
bddebianApparently you don't :-)07:15
punkrockguy318oh, dpkg-buildpackage07:15
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jamessan|workor "debian/rules binary" or "debuild"07:16
bddebianpunkrockguy318: Are you building a native package or re-doing a Debian/Ubuntu package?07:16
mfgaliziI listed a package on MOTUNewPackages and UniverseCandidates about a week ago; should I just be patient?07:16
punkrockguy318bddebian: neither, I was just wondering how pbuilder built the packages07:17
punkrockguy318jamessan|work: what package contains debuild?  I only have debuild-pbuilder installed on my system07:17
bddebianpunkrockguy318: Oh07:17
bddebianmfgalizi: Which package?07:17
jamessan|workpunkrockguy318: devscripts07:18
punkrockguy318jamessan|work: what's the difference between dpkg-buildpackage, debian/rules binary, and debuild?07:19
mfgalizibddebian, libxvmcw07:19
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bddebianmfgalizi: Ah07:20
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jamessan|workpunkrockguy318: debuild is a wrapper that calls dpkg-buildpackage, lintian, debsign07:27
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tsengpdebuild :)07:29
punkrockguy318jamessan|work: what's the difference between dpkg-buildpackage and debian/rules binary07:29
tsengpunkrockguy318: you can do dpkg-buildpackage -S to sign, etc07:30
tsengits flexible07:30
tsengread the man07:30
bddebianpunkrockguy318: Each method of building does things just a little differently07:30
punkrockguy318alright, thank you07:30
punkrockguy318you all are very helpful, btw07:31
bddebianShould I be worried about this error:  -> installing dummy policy-rc.d07:31
bddebian/usr/bin/apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory07:31
\shhmmm...bugday one == motu recruiting day?07:31
\shbddebian: build first a hoary pbuilder and update then to breezy07:32
bddebianBah, why?07:32
\shbddebian: do u want an answer?? ,-) I will give u a "why not?" ;)07:32
bddebianNo I have to whack my breezy pbuilder?07:32
\shbddebian: well, yes07:33
siretarthi folks07:34
bddebianHeya siretart07:34
=== \sh 's not there today
\shtoo tired, eyes are hurting, and made too many mistakes today :(07:35
bddebian\sh: So what's the best way to trash my pbuilder to start over?07:35
siretartbddebian: recreate your base.tar.gz07:36
siretartpbuilder create ...07:36
\shupdate pbuilderrc07:36
\shreplace in /etc/pbuilderrc/apt.conf/sources.list "breezy" in hoary07:36
\shand udpate07:36
\shwit --override-config07:36
\shor delete base-tar.gz07:37
\shand create a new one07:37
\shi do it every third day07:37
bddebianWhere is base.tar.gz stored?07:38
jamessan|workcreate a new one? why?07:38
siretartbddebian: by default, in /var/lib/default, but you can customize it in the config file07:39
ivoksbye all07:40
bddebianLater ivoks07:40
bddebianThanks siretart07:40
ivokselmo: ping07:41
ivoks\sh: ping :)07:43
ivoks\sh: could you remind elmo, when it comes back, to whitelist my address?07:44
ivoksthanx, see you07:44
\shcu ivoks :)07:45
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\shlooks like tomorrow is a new pykde time08:06
Mithrandirwhy the hell is beagle reindexing my ~/CA every second?08:14
Mithrandirapparently, it changes something in the directory which updates the ctime which means it notices, then reindexes ad infinitum08:15
tsengMithrandir: yes08:23
tsengMithrandir: stop touching the file08:23
MithrandirI'm not touching the file08:24
Mithrandirit's a directory08:24
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tsengit does that on xsession-errors too08:24
tsengi wonder if there is a way yet to exclude a directoy08:24
Mithrandirwell, there's nothing but beagle touching that directory..08:31
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bddebianHeya herve08:41
\shguys, g'night ... need to sleep completly exhausted08:45
bddebianGnight \sh08:45
ograherve, happy bugday08:45
siretartgn8 \sh_away08:46
herveogra, fly squash party?08:49
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ograherve, see topic :)08:52
herveok, that was you ultra secret flyflap party :-)08:53
herveoops! I told the word :-)08:53
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herveby the way09:06
hervedo we have a automatic maintained list of universe packages diverging from debian09:06
herveto know when to merge09:06
chrissturmherve: if it has ubuntu in the name its diverging09:07
herveI mean, like the automatic bugs in bugzilla: "new version from Debian requires merging"09:07
hervechrissturm, ubuntu + newer version in debian09:07
ograKamion once made a list, but thats outdated (i think it was for hoary)09:07
chrissturmoops, right09:08
bddebianOK, so I rebuilt my pbuilder for hoary.  Now I just update to breezy?09:08
Mithrandirelmo makes you a list if you ask him nicely.  Or he might have one which is cronned now09:08
herveI'll see after the cxx transition09:11
herveI hope I'll get spare time and peace of mind by the time09:11
herveincluding resynchronising with debian's own cxx transition09:12
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siretarthi lesliev :)09:31
siretartlesliev: congrats to your first upload to revu :)09:31
bddebianShould I not change pbuilderrc to breezy?09:35
siretartbddebian: you should definitly, because all uploads will be build against breezy09:35
bddebiansiretart: OK, I did, but I wasn't sure if it is correct :-)09:36
leslievsiretart: thanks ;-)09:37
leslievneeds lots of work though!09:37
siretartlesliev: in german we say "every beginning is hard".09:38
siretartdon't know if thats also applicable in english09:38
siretartcan anyone check on revu? I tweaked a bit the colors of the stylesheet09:40
siretartRED meens the package is NEW and needs 3 advocates for inclusion to ubuntu09:40
siretartcyan means 1 advocate suffices, white means that this version is probably already in the archive09:41
leslievIt's applicable in any language! I'll keep at it. Soon I'll be able to help more.09:44
leslievREVU looks good, although the colours are a little intense09:44
leslievJust from a graphical point of view :-)09:44
siretartlesliev: I guessed that. the problem is that I'm absolutly untalented with colors ;)09:45
siretartif someone could tell me better colors, I'll adapt the stylesheet immediatly09:45
leslievI'm looking at my package directories with Meld. Meld is great!09:45
siretarthtml compatible color codes please ;)09:45
siretartmeld? whats that?09:45
leslievI suggest blues: 7684db09:46
leslievand 76c6db09:47
leslievTry those09:47
siretartwhat color for what?09:47
siretartwhat for NEW what for 'normal'?09:47
leslievThe brighter one for the current cyan09:47
leslievie. the second one09:47
terrexanybody knows why i'm not able to send my gpg to launchpad ?09:48
leslievMeld is the best diff viewer I have seen, and it can diff directories too09:48
leslievVery graphical09:48
leslievhmm, a little better09:49
lesliev(revu I mean)09:49
siretartbut I'm not sure that suits with the white and brown tone from the ubuntu theme... hmm09:49
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leslievIt you want to stick with earth tones you can try reds...09:50
siretartlets see09:51
leslievPossible: c67f69 and ba5b3e for the darker?09:52
siretartbetter, but still too intense, I think..09:54
bddebianOK, I'm a little confused on the pbuilder thing.  Do I actually want to build in pbuilder or just test the deb once it's built?09:54
siretartbddebian: if it is a rather small packager or if you are confident that it will build you can use pdebuild as debuild replacement for building in pbuilder09:56
siretartbddebian: in general I use it rather to test package. for doing more advanced packaging, I have a chroot09:57
bddebianSheesh.. :-(09:57
siretartlesliev: what do you think now?10:00
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tsenghi seb12810:04
seb128anybody of you has mailed the guy who has packaged anjuta2 ?10:04
leslievlook nicer!10:04
leslievStill don't like the red so much.... maybe a darker brown? ba8546?10:05
leslievI was afraid to go all browns because it can be confused with the rest of the page10:06
leslievpeople might not notice that there's a scheme10:06
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siretartlesliev: thats better10:16
siretartperhaps a bit lighter? hm..10:16
leslievNow there are three colours!10:20
leslievthe dark looks ok to me10:20
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leslievmaybe this for the lighter colour: de9e4e10:22
siretartlesliev: you are sure about the dark brown?10:26
leslievhehe, maybe it's too dark. but try the light colour too and see how it looks.10:36
leslieveyuck! greeny brown! :-))10:56
hervegood night10:56
siretartlesliev: this one is good?10:57
leslievok. Maybe *slightly* lighter. But put in the light colour too (unless you want to keep that grey?)10:59
siretarthm. I think the grey is ok. perhaps I could get the brown a bit lighter..11:00
leslievTalk about taking a long time just to choose some colours! We really are not great artists.11:00
leslievI don't like the grey at all.11:01
siretarthm. it the same grey as in the right coloums..11:01
siretartit is11:01
leslievTry a lighter brown instead, just to see. A slightly lighter version of the dark brown. And make the dark brown slightly lighter too.11:07
leslievand see how it looks.11:07
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siretartlesliev: like this?11:12
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leslievI think that's pretty good.11:13
siretartok, then I'll check this version in (to svn)11:14
Burgundaviasiretart, the brown text on brown is terrible for looking at for a long time11:14
leslievok! You should check out Meld sometime, btw. - you'll see why I like it.11:14
leslievhehe! hey, our brown is nice!11:15
leslievah well, I am off to play arimaa. Seey'all11:15
siretartBurgundavia: hm. can you help me with the stylesheet then? I'm really a noob when it comes to colors :(11:15
Burgundaviasiretart, I assume we are talking about the live site at http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ ?11:16
leslievit's not really brown any more, it's green ;-)11:16
siretartyes, we are11:16
Burgundaviajust a general usablity stuff11:16
Burgundaviawhy are ontv and smeg a different colour?11:16
leslievgood luck11:16
siretartah, I think I found out11:17
siretartBurgundavia: I added some explanation above.11:17
Burgundaviayou also set up this great alternating colour thing11:17
Burgundaviabut then you blow it by having the actual packages not follow the scheme11:17
Burgundaviawhy not have the entire row the alternating colours?11:17
Burgundaviaif you need to indicate status, an icon or text can do that11:18
siretarthm. I assumed that more text would let the table explode on smaller displays, but icons would be an alternative, indeed.11:18
Burgundaviaactions can become a smaller column if you use standard icons for it11:19
Burgundaviaor standard short text11:19
siretarthm. perhaps you're right11:20
siretartBurgundavia: do you have any icons I could use for that?11:21
Burgundaviawhat actions do need?11:21
siretartI would need icons for NEW, 'normal' and updated packages, and for the actions 'archive this' 'unarchive this' and 'nuke this'11:21
Burgundaviawhat is normal?11:22
siretartI've been thinking about the action 'join this with another upload', but thats not decided yet11:22
Burgundaviathe "join this with another upload", that is for packages that depend on each other?11:23
siretartnormal is an upload, which updates the version in the archive. this kind of uploads usually only need a sponsor agreeing11:23
Burgundaviaso normal is when the packages is already in the archive?11:23
siretartBurgundavia: I'm really not sure how this can be implemented. there should be some feature to join or merge or update uploads. perhaps a better place would be in the details page anyway11:24
siretartBurgundavia: exactly11:24
siretartNEW means neither in ubuntu nor in debian11:24
Burgundaviawhat the difference between normal and updated?11:25
siretartupdated means that a newer version has been uploaded to ubuntu, perhaps by the uploader himself, perhaps by the reviewer or by someone else11:27
BurgundaviaI am still confused at the third status11:28
BurgundaviaI understand New and Updated11:28
Burgundaviabear with me for sec11:28
BurgundaviaI think you need several statuses11:29
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sistpotyhi all11:29
Burgundaviathe first status tells you about whether the package is New or Updated11:29
Burgundaviathe 2nd status tells you what the action taken on the package11:29
Burgundaviais that correct?11:29
siretarthuhu sistpoty11:30
sistpotyhi siretart11:30
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Burgundaviathat being said11:32
BurgundaviaI would resign the front page in the following way11:32
MithrandirI hope you mean "redesign"?11:32
BurgundaviaMithrandir, yes11:32
Burgundaviasplit up the new and updated packages into seperate tables11:33
Burgundaviasalut tseng, ogra Mithrandir11:33
Mithrandirhi Burgundavia, good night everybody.11:33
ogranight Mithrandir11:34
siretartgn8 Mithrandir11:34
tsenghth did i get on bug 243 on malone11:34
Burgundaviarename the upload column to package11:34
tsengor do i get all bugs now?11:34
ogratseng, didnt you know ?11:34
siretartBurgundavia: thats an good idea: first all NEW ones, then all 'normal' ones.. it requeires some redesign of the template, but I like that idea11:34
tsengogra: know what?11:34
tsengogra: all bugs -> brandon?11:34
tsengits about some package called pinfo11:35
tsengnever heard of it11:35
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ograyoure our new bugfilter :)11:35
tsengvery confused11:35
ivokshi all11:35
Burgundaviaadvocates is more important than comments11:35
tsengmost of the big motu names are on it11:35
ograno, honestly, no idea how you got that bug :)11:35
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tsengReply-To: Malone Bugtracker <243@bugs.launchpad.ubuntu.com>11:35
tsengToddMA: dilys@muse.19inch.net, ajmitch@ihug.co.nz, brandon@smarterits.com, hcauwelier@oursours.net, hostmaster@grawert.net, jriddell@ubuntu.com, koke@amedias.org, martijn@foodfight.org, niall@evil.ie11:35
Burgundaviabold the number of advocates, and leave the comments unbold, the make it easy to see the difference11:35
Burgundaviasiretart, normal should be renamed updated11:36
siretarttseng: I'm using pinfo regulary. I like it11:37
tsengi dont read info11:37
tsengman > *11:37
tsengi used to read manpages in vim11:37
tsengbut the script i had truncates them :(11:37
tsengback to less11:38
Burgundaviasiretart, for icons for new and updated, what about a an arrow pointing up for new and an arrow in a circle for updated?11:39
ogratseng, haha11:39
tsengogra: i uesd to be so 1337 before we met11:39
ogratseng, that was our demo bug in the first IRC meeting with bradb11:39
Burgundaviasiretart, I would place the icons in two places, next to the table heading on the main page, and on the page of the package, in the upper right hand corner11:40
tsengogra: i had no gnome, 6 terminals up on one screen11:40
tsengogra: everything in shell, because that was cool11:40
tsengim reformed now11:40
tsengoh nice11:41
Burgundaviatseng, didn't you used to be a gentoo user?11:41
tsengserpentine actually works now11:41
tsengBurgundavia: i used to lead all sorts of gentoo stuff11:41
Burgundaviasiretart, I will be back in about 1/2 hour if you have any questions. BTW, REVU is awesome shit11:41
siretartBurgundavia: I'm glad you like it :)11:41
ogratseng, serpentine works ? cool :)11:42
tsengBurgundavia: but i got pretty tired of the lame CFLAGS users and poor QA11:42
tsengogra: yep11:42
tsengogra: always crashed before11:43
ograyes, you had to disable the burn stuff in g-v-m to make it work11:43
tsengwell i couldnt even start it11:43
tsengregardless of gvm11:43
tsengits pretty simple though11:44
tsengdoes it use gstreamer?11:44
ograand libnautilus-burn11:48
ivoksas I don't have upload rights yet, i uploaded bugfixed package to revu11:49
ivoksjust upload it, small fix - use gksudo instead of gksu11:49
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siretartivoks: I've seen it with pleasure :)11:52
tsengbwar i want my planet gnome11:52
tsengi should write more ajax11:53
ivokssiretart: revu is great stuff11:53
tsengi am like a little school girl over it11:53
tsengrevu + ajax11:53
tsengclient + serverside javascript magic11:53
tsengas seen in google maps, etc11:54
tsenglike refilling a page with dynamic data without reloading11:54
tsengso my search app can find as you type11:54
tsengsort as you click11:54
ivoksgreat stuff11:54
tsengits freaking candy11:54
tsengi cant stop11:54
ivokslike a C app11:54
tsengim an ajax monster11:54
ivoksi saw a demo on ./11:55
tsengfeed me crack11:55
ivokslike comments on article11:55
siretartany example page availabe?11:55
ivoksyou type it in and hit ok, it doesn't reload11:55
ivoksit just appears!11:55
tsengsiretart: http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en11:55
tsengsiretart: MAGIC11:55
tsengtype ubuntu11:56
ivoksah, yes! great11:56
tsengnow my search page11:56
tsengactualyl gives you the full result set as you type like that11:57
tsengsince its pretty small groups11:57
ivoksurl url :)11:57
tsengyou cant11:57
tsengits behind many firewalls11:57
ivokseh :(11:57
ivoksdamn firewalls :)11:57
tsengi work at a financial company11:57
tsengthis is my friends POC11:57
siretarttseng: ah, THATS ajax. I see..11:58
ivoksgreat stuff11:58
tsengsiretart: what happens is11:58
tsengthe frontend page has an empty div11:58
tsengwith id=result11:58
tsengand there are javascript functions that go onkeyup11:59
tsengthat query the backend page with a GET11:59
tsengand that page returns say an html table11:59
tsengthat gets written into the div11:59
tsengno reloading11:59
tsengso my application does stuff with rrdtool12:00
tsengi want to apply a slider, for the time period12:00
tsengand do a live update of the graph image12:00
tsengi alreayd make the image dynamically.. it will just be inline12:00
siretartwow. thats impressing12:01
tsengsorry... i get really excited about this :P12:01

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