| siretart | huhu ajmitch hi bddebian | 12:05 |
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| bddebian | Hello siretart | 12:05 |
| ajmitch | hey siretart | 12:06 |
| ajmitch | did revu get it's home sorted out? | 12:06 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:ogra] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | NEW package? go here: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ || Welcome Unfrgiven as new MOTU *rock* | BugDay !! June 29 2005 in #ubuntu-bugs join in, go squash ! | ||
| siretart | Unfrgiven: welcome in the team :) | 12:09 |
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| uniq | hmm. am i just lost, or isn't there a option to make wiki pages anymore? | 12:09 |
| ajmitch | ah, smeg is up on revu | 12:09 |
| === ajmitch has already informally reviewd that, will put up comments :) | ||
| siretart | ogra: I think revu is also good for any kind of revu | 12:09 |
| siretart | ajmitch: yeah, I wanted to test 'sponsoring'. so I uploaded smeg to revu | 12:10 |
| ogra | siretart, i have only added the last part ;) | 12:10 |
| ogra | change the rest as you like :) | 12:10 |
| ajmitch | last I heard he hadn't checked compatibility with the latest gnome-menus | 12:10 |
| ajmitch | s/he/amaranth/ | 12:10 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:siretart] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | package for reviewing (NEW or updated)? go here: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ || Welcome Unfrgiven as new MOTU *rock* | BugDay !! June 29 2005 in #ubuntu-bugs join in, go squash ! | ||
| siretart | ogra: done :) | 12:11 |
| ajmitch | siretart: thanks for all your hard work.. :) | 12:12 |
| ajmitch | I'd like to do something similar to ogra's build logs page | 12:12 |
| ajmitch | except that it does a bit more processing - just showing the latest build for the latest version of which package | 12:13 |
| ajmitch | so that you can get a summary list of what universe packages FTBFS today :) | 12:13 |
| siretart | ajmitch: \sh already hacked sbuild for usage with revu, so autobuilding will be possible soon | 12:13 |
| ajmitch | siretart: great | 12:13 |
| ajmitch | I'm wanting to do this for the main logs that ogra pulls from lamont's dir | 12:14 |
| siretart | ajmitch: the problem is: I cannot run sbuild on tauware.de, because I cannot setup /proc inside a chroot | 12:14 |
| ajmitch | right | 12:14 |
| lamont__ | siretart: why not? | 12:14 |
| lamont__ | btw, many things work just fine without /proc in the chroot.... | 12:15 |
| lamont__ | but some things don't... | 12:15 |
| siretart | lamont__: linux vserver works a bit like bsd jails, but you have root inside the vserver not with all linux capabilities | 12:15 |
| lamont__ | ah, ok | 12:16 |
| siretart | lamont__: it's like a real root, but I have no local loopback, cannot mount anything, cannot change date and so on | 12:16 |
| siretart | but its fast! | 12:16 |
| ajmitch | hopefully xen will be usable with breezy | 12:16 |
| siretart | ack | 12:16 |
| lamont__ | ajmitch: that'd be cool | 12:16 |
| === ajmitch is looking at getting a new amd64 box for home sometime soon | ||
| ajmitch | but I think I should wait until I'm somewhere with bandwidth :) | 12:19 |
| \sh | i can't believe it | 12:19 |
| \sh | Ogra: You blogged...:) | 12:19 |
| ogra | heh :) | 12:19 |
| ajmitch | he blogged?.. | 12:20 |
| \sh | and because of this, i had to update my article | 12:20 |
| ajmitch | what's so special about that? :) | 12:20 |
| ogra | once in a while i do that, yes :) | 12:20 |
| tseng | hm | 12:20 |
| Unfrgiven | hi all | 12:20 |
| Unfrgiven | tseng: thanks :) | 12:20 |
| Unfrgiven | siretart: thanks :) | 12:20 |
| \sh | because after the fall of the sack of rice in a small province of china, this is a important news ;) | 12:20 |
| ajmitch | hey Unfrgiven, welcome to the team :) | 12:20 |
| Unfrgiven | ajmitch: thanks :) im pumped about it! | 12:21 |
| ajmitch | Unfrgiven: great, now get back to work ;) | 12:21 |
| Unfrgiven | :) | 12:21 |
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| \sh | Read everything about unfrgiven, revu and ogra on the planet ;) | 12:21 |
| ajmitch | it looks like we have a few packages in universe that aren't in debian | 12:22 |
| ajmitch | at least not in debian main | 12:22 |
| Unfrgiven | actually i was going to send out an email to the motu team today | 12:22 |
| Unfrgiven | given that there is UVF next week, perhaps we should put some effort into packaging the popular apps from gnomefiles.org | 12:23 |
| tseng | "next week"? | 12:23 |
| tseng | is that like, hard freeze, or MOM turned off | 12:23 |
| Unfrgiven | 7th july right? | 12:23 |
| tseng | buh | 12:24 |
| ajmitch | MOM turned off | 12:24 |
| ajmitch | we can still throw crack into universe if needed | 12:24 |
| tseng | i dont work in universe | 12:25 |
| Unfrgiven | so when is the cutoff for universe? | 12:25 |
| siretart | is uploading of c++ applications allowed already? | 12:25 |
| Unfrgiven | darn ive forgotten what MOM stands for again.... | 12:27 |
| Unfrgiven | google doesnt help much there :) | 12:27 |
| tseng | i need a bot to parse MOM and stand? for | 12:27 |
| ajmitch | Unfrgiven: release - 1 hour :) | 12:28 |
| ajmitch | I think that's about when it was cutoff for hoary | 12:28 |
| \sh | Merge-O-Matic | 12:28 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: thanks! | 12:29 |
| === ajmitch should take a week off work before the release :) | ||
| Unfrgiven | now that im a motu, what do i need to do to get my address whitelisted? just email my gpg id to keyring@ubuntu? | 12:41 |
| tseng | yes | 12:42 |
| Mez | Unfrgiven, is it in the strong set? | 12:42 |
| tseng | i signed it | 12:42 |
| Mez | ah fair enoguh | 12:43 |
| === Mez should be in the strong set soon hopefully | ||
| Unfrgiven | :) | 12:43 |
| Mez | wait | 12:43 |
| Mez | sorry | 12:43 |
| Mez | I'm tried | 12:43 |
| Mez | I'm in the strong set (ty to riddell) | 12:43 |
| Mez | but I'm confused as to what needs doing for the MOTU :D | 12:43 |
| ajmitch | Mez: a bunch of MOTUs & others signed it at UDU | 12:43 |
| ajmitch | so I'd say it's fairly good | 12:44 |
| Mez | oh fair enough | 12:44 |
| Mez | lol | 12:44 |
| === Mez jsut ahd Riddell sign his (would have had others but was on short notice) | ||
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| Unfrgiven | so do i just paste the output of "gpg --list-keys ankur" in an email to keyring? thats it? do i get a confirmation? | 12:45 |
| tseng | Unfrgiven: sign the mail | 12:46 |
| Unfrgiven | tseng: k, done. now should i expect a reply? | 12:49 |
| tseng | Unfrgiven: possibly not | 12:49 |
| tseng | Unfrgiven: i got one | 12:50 |
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| Unfrgiven | and is the process automated? | 12:50 |
| ajmitch | nope | 12:51 |
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| Unfrgiven | fair enough. | 12:52 |
| Unfrgiven | ajmitch: did i tell you that im going to be in auckland next week? | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | no, you didn't | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | but I'm down in Dunedin | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | what are you visiting auckland for? | 12:53 |
| Unfrgiven | oh yeah thats right. student town :) | 12:53 |
| Unfrgiven | visitng my in-laws. | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | ah, fun | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | you might have mentioned that :) | 12:54 |
| siretart | ok. gn8 folks! | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | night siretart | 12:58 |
| Unfrgiven | siretart: nite mate | 12:58 |
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| sistpoty | mv sistpoty /dev/bed | 01:29 |
| sistpoty | gn8 together ;) | 01:29 |
| ajmitch | night :) | 01:29 |
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| Mez | Hmm. | 02:54 |
| === Mez goes and packages enemy territory as a deb | ||
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | package for reviewing (NEW or updated)? go here: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ || Welcome Unfrgiven as new MOTU *rock* | BugDay !! June 29 2005 in #ubuntu-bugs join in, go squash ! | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by siretart at Wed Jun 29 00:11:32 2005 | ||
| HostingGeek | ubuntulog: back again? | 06:21 |
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| siretart | morning | 08:15 |
| \sh | morning :) | 08:16 |
| ajmitch | hi | 08:17 |
| \sh | I'm rich I don't believe it | 08:17 |
| ajmitch | oh? | 08:17 |
| ajmitch | share your riches! ;) | 08:17 |
| \sh | my salary just reached my account ;) | 08:18 |
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| ajmitch | yay | 08:18 |
| ajmitch | hey jerome | 08:18 |
| ajmitch | :) | 08:18 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 08:18 |
| jsgotangco | OT: is there a Red Hat guy in the house | 08:19 |
| ajmitch | drbyte is in -devel, isn't he? | 08:20 |
| jsgotangco | oh right | 08:20 |
| jsgotangco | i'm setting up an oracle server here that only requires rh ad/es 2.1 -> 3.0 but its kinda strange on the setup | 08:20 |
| jsgotangco | but if i boot ubuntu everything works fine | 08:20 |
| ajmitch | but you don't get oracle support on ubuntu yet :) | 08:21 |
| jsgotangco | thats right | 08:21 |
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| siretart | moin | 08:25 |
| \sh | Unfrgiven: ping *g* | 08:49 |
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| ivoks | \sh: i fixed a package in universe, do I just upload it or it needs review? | 09:03 |
| ivoks | it's simple change.. use gksudo instead of gksu | 09:03 |
| \sh | ivoks: upload :) u have the right:) | 09:03 |
| ivoks | all right! :) | 09:04 |
| ivoks | fsck.. wrong destination :) | 09:05 |
| ivoks | almost did upload to revu :) | 09:05 |
| ivoks | ok, uploaded... | 09:07 |
| ivoks | but i'm not sure it's there :) | 09:08 |
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| siretart | ivoks: are you sure you uploaded to tauware.de? I do not see anything in the UploadQueue | 09:11 |
| ivoks | i didin't | 09:12 |
| ivoks | almost | 09:12 |
| ivoks | :) | 09:12 |
| siretart | ah. ic | 09:12 |
| ivoks | this isn't a new package, it doesn't need review | 09:12 |
| ivoks | so i uploaded directly to repository :) | 09:12 |
| siretart | ah. even better :) | 09:13 |
| ivoks | or whatever it is at upload.ubuntu.com :) | 09:13 |
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| ivoks | but i think my upload is droped :) | 09:15 |
| \sh | ivoks: it doesn't matter what part of a country...at least there is good beer, coffee and piece :) | 09:26 |
| ivoks | :) | 09:27 |
| ivoks | ok then | 09:27 |
| ivoks | \sh: my upload is droped | 09:28 |
| ivoks | still can't upload :) | 09:28 |
| ivoks | i guess i have to contact elmo :) | 09:28 |
| ivoks | well, time to go now.. | 09:29 |
| ivoks | see you | 09:29 |
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| ivoks | it really sucks to have nvidia on breezy :( | 10:43 |
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| tseng | hi | 12:15 |
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| tseng | hi | 02:06 |
| Treenaks | hi | 02:06 |
| ogra | hi | 02:07 |
| tseng | bug day. | 02:07 |
| === tseng will likely be busy with work soon | ||
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| Mithrandir | hi tseng, Treenaks | 02:19 |
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| tseng | hi Mithrandir | 02:44 |
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| chrissturm | hey guys! | 02:46 |
| chrissturm | how can i install ghc6 to my pbuilder env? | 02:47 |
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| chrissturm | how does bindmount work with pbuilder? i have ghc installed in /usr/local and i need to have it in my pbuilder env to bootstrap ghc | 03:39 |
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| bddebian | Morning | 04:26 |
| kiko | Amaranth, can we have you in #ubuntu-bugs for a moment? | 04:28 |
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| uniq | how can i get access to changing status of bugs in bugzilla? | 05:32 |
| ogra | uniq, ask in #ubuntu-bugs :) | 05:36 |
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| uniq | thanks. | 05:37 |
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| punkrockguy318 | ogra, hello | 05:39 |
| ogra | hey punkrockguy318 | 05:39 |
| punkrockguy318 | i'd be interested in join the motu team. i'm an ameteur coder with a lot of time on my hands. especially this summer, heh | 05:40 |
| ogra | punkrockguy318, thats great :) | 05:41 |
| punkrockguy318 | ogra, there are probably some things I need to learn before I can become very effective, but I am more than willing to learn | 05:42 |
| ogra | punkrockguy318, easiest is to start with some package for a transition (mass change) they are mostly easy to fix (adding removing a dependency) | 05:42 |
| chrissturm | ogra: i am having a hard time with ghc | 05:42 |
| ogra | punkrockguy318, yep, roughly knowing the debian new maintainers guider is a good start | 05:42 |
| punkrockguy318 | ogra, yeah, i'll take a look at that | 05:42 |
| ogra | chrissturm, sorry for that... didnt \sh say he'll help as soon as e has time ? | 05:43 |
| punkrockguy318 | ogra, and also, I haven't even upgraded to breezy yet. Should I install breezy on another partition? | 05:43 |
| chrissturm | punkrockguy318, look at the pbuilder howto | 05:43 |
| ogra | punkrockguy318, you dont need breezy, you can use a breezy pbuilder | 05:43 |
| ogra | punkrockguy318, the howto is on wiki.ubuntu.com | 05:44 |
| punkrockguy318 | alright, i'll take a look at it | 05:44 |
| chrissturm | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto | 05:44 |
| punkrockguy318 | thank you | 05:44 |
| ogra | make yourself familiar with debuild and pbuilder and you know the very basic tools... | 05:44 |
| ogra | additionally look at the NM guide and you know packaging... then grab a transition package and fix it ;) | 05:45 |
| chrissturm | ogra, can you tell me how bindmount works? | 05:45 |
| punkrockguy318 | nm? | 05:45 |
| bddebian | Debian New Maintainer guide | 05:46 |
| ogra | punkrockguy318, i heard doko has about 500 of such packages that are very easy to fix, probably he can mention one to you and you can learn by examining it | 05:46 |
| kiko | doko is the man with packages | 05:46 |
| chrissturm | ogra, i installed ghc to /usr/local from a binary, and i need it in the pbuilder chroot | 05:46 |
| ogra | bddebian, same for you we have a big bunch of packages that just need a dependency added :) | 05:46 |
| punkrockguy318 | ogra, excellent! | 05:47 |
| ogra | very low hanging fruit | 05:47 |
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| punkrockguy318 | bddebian, thanks | 05:47 |
| punkrockguy318 | ogra, great, i'll read this material and then I will talk to doko | 05:47 |
| punkrockguy318 | ogra, does the motu have a mailing list? | 05:47 |
| ogra | punkrockguy318, we use ubuntu-devel | 05:48 |
| doko | ogra, punkrockguy318: unfortunately we don't have a nice overview which packages exactly did fail. | 05:48 |
| ogra | doko, not yet | 05:48 |
| ogra | doko, i think 500 pgks are worth a list | 05:48 |
| bddebian | ogra: I was actually trying to build fpc-2.0.0 last night | 05:49 |
| ogra | chrissturm, read up about hooks in pbuilder... | 05:49 |
| doko | ogra: there's a wiki page listing all existing C++ bug reports for applications in universe ... | 05:50 |
| chrissturm | ogra: got an url? | 05:50 |
| ogra | chrissturm, nope | 05:50 |
| ogra | chrissturm, i can only point to google... | 05:50 |
| chrissturm | :( | 05:50 |
| chrissturm | ok, i think i found it in the pbuilder manual | 05:51 |
| punkrockguy318 | ogra, doko: this is excellent! thank you all for your guidance in helping me help ;-) well, I will be back later, i'm going to go shower. i'll study this material and then I will get back to you doko. | 05:51 |
| ogra | punkrockguy318, youre welcome... if you got questions, just drop them in this channel, there is always someone to help around | 05:52 |
| doko | punkrockguy318: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCxxTransition | 05:52 |
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| bddebian | punkrockguy318: Notice how ogra ignores me though. :-) | 06:09 |
| kiko | bddebian, that's because you talk to people who don't exist <wink> | 06:10 |
| bddebian | Hehe | 06:10 |
| ogra | kiko, to ehom do you talk ? :-P | 06:12 |
| ogra | whom | 06:13 |
| ogra | bddebian, is that from UniverseCandidates ? | 06:13 |
| bddebian | ogra: Yeah | 06:14 |
| ogra | great | 06:15 |
| ogra | already familiar with revu ? | 06:15 |
| bddebian | No | 06:15 |
| bddebian | ANd it's a strange thing anyway. I was going to attempt CDBS but the guy already has all the Debian specific stuff in a folder | 06:16 |
| bddebian | OMG, I can't believe I just said folder | 06:16 |
| bddebian | s/folder/directory/ | 06:16 |
| kiko | folder, folder, bddebian said folder | 06:16 |
| bddebian | Please kill me now! | 06:16 |
| bddebian | Hello ivoks | 06:17 |
| ivoks | bddebian: hi | 06:19 |
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| bddebian | Thank you | 06:19 |
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| ogra | bddebian, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU | 06:22 |
| ogra | bddebian, if you got it ready, put it there for revirew | 06:22 |
| ogra | -r | 06:22 |
| bddebian | ogra: I don't because of what I said above.. :-( When I tried to do a dpkg-buildpackage just using his current rules/control/etc, I get a permission denied because it tries to run dpkg-buildpackage in clean:: ?? | 06:24 |
| ogra | bddebian, you did build it from scratch ? | 06:25 |
| bddebian | ogra: Define "from scratch" You mean ./configure && make from scratch? | 06:25 |
| ogra | bddebian, i mean dh_make | 06:26 |
| ogra | or any equivalent | 06:26 |
| bddebian | ogra: No, because he already had all the Debian specific stuff there | 06:26 |
| ogra | which didnt work apparently ... | 06:27 |
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| bddebian | ogra: Aye, but that's because of your goofy sudo stuff ;-) | 06:36 |
| ogra | ?? | 06:36 |
| ivoks | ? | 06:37 |
| bddebian | j/k | 06:37 |
| ogra | bddebian, never use root if orking with source packages... thats what fakeroot is for | 06:37 |
| ogra | and to build the binary, take pbuilder | 06:37 |
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| bddebian | I haven't set up pbuilder yet. :-( | 06:38 |
| punkrockguy318 | ogra: hey, i'm looking at the pbuilder howto... are we builing a chroot for breezy or hoary? | 06:38 |
| ogra | i.e. fakroot dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa should build you a new source package (given the orig.tar.gz is around) | 06:38 |
| ogra | punkrockguy318, build it for hoary and then update to breezy | 06:39 |
| ivoks | man pbuilder | 06:39 |
| punkrockguy318 | ogra: oh, thanks! | 06:39 |
| bddebian | ogra: debian/rules clean | 06:46 |
| bddebian | /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage: line 175: debian/rules: Permission denied | 06:46 |
| ogra | bddebian, how did you unpack the source package ? | 06:46 |
| bddebian | ogra: tar -xzf | 06:46 |
| ogra | bddebian, oh | 06:46 |
| ogra | so you got a native package... nasty | 06:47 |
| bddebian | I get the same error with dpkg-buildpackage -us -tc | 06:47 |
| ogra | bddebian, sure, make rules executable... | 06:48 |
| ogra | but that isnt a good start, native packages are not nice | 06:48 |
| bddebian | Well like I said I wanted to take his rules and configure files and CDBSize them but I don't know CDBS very well | 06:49 |
| \sh | don't use cdbs then | 06:50 |
| \sh | u should learn the basics | 06:50 |
| bddebian | Hmm, new error "bad interpreter" | 06:51 |
| ogra | bddebian, you shouldnt use cdbs in the beginning, start with debhelper, if you feel safe with that, look at cdbs | 06:51 |
| bddebian | Do I pretty much have to do it in a pbuilder environment? | 06:54 |
| \sh | u should use it...it has only advantages | 06:55 |
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| punkrockguy318 | why must authentication be disabled to you pbuilder? | 07:06 |
| tseng | it doesnt | 07:06 |
| tseng | you can alternatively install gpg in the chroot | 07:06 |
| punkrockguy318 | oh | 07:07 |
| punkrockguy318 | alright | 07:07 |
| tseng | with sudo pbuilder login --keep-after-login or something like that | 07:07 |
| tseng | see the manpage | 07:07 |
| tseng | maybe we should put gpg in the pbuilder set of essential packages on bootstrap | 07:07 |
| punkrockguy318 | yeah | 07:08 |
| \sh | tseng: not advised, just because when u build more then one package, and one of them is depending on the other, and u use to test your own repos | 07:08 |
| \sh | for testing purposes is unauthenticated ok.. | 07:09 |
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| mfgalizi | So, who do I have to bribe to get a package reviewed? | 07:14 |
| punkrockguy318 | How would you go about building a package without pbuilder? | 07:14 |
| bddebian | Apparently you don't :-) | 07:15 |
| punkrockguy318 | lol | 07:15 |
| punkrockguy318 | oh, dpkg-buildpackage | 07:15 |
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| jamessan|work | or "debian/rules binary" or "debuild" | 07:16 |
| bddebian | punkrockguy318: Are you building a native package or re-doing a Debian/Ubuntu package? | 07:16 |
| mfgalizi | I listed a package on MOTUNewPackages and UniverseCandidates about a week ago; should I just be patient? | 07:16 |
| punkrockguy318 | bddebian: neither, I was just wondering how pbuilder built the packages | 07:17 |
| punkrockguy318 | jamessan|work: what package contains debuild? I only have debuild-pbuilder installed on my system | 07:17 |
| bddebian | punkrockguy318: Oh | 07:17 |
| bddebian | mfgalizi: Which package? | 07:17 |
| jamessan|work | punkrockguy318: devscripts | 07:18 |
| punkrockguy318 | jamessan|work: what's the difference between dpkg-buildpackage, debian/rules binary, and debuild? | 07:19 |
| mfgalizi | bddebian, libxvmcw | 07:19 |
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| bddebian | mfgalizi: Ah | 07:20 |
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| jamessan|work | punkrockguy318: debuild is a wrapper that calls dpkg-buildpackage, lintian, debsign | 07:27 |
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| tseng | pdebuild :) | 07:29 |
| punkrockguy318 | jamessan|work: what's the difference between dpkg-buildpackage and debian/rules binary | 07:29 |
| tseng | punkrockguy318: you can do dpkg-buildpackage -S to sign, etc | 07:30 |
| tseng | its flexible | 07:30 |
| tseng | read the man | 07:30 |
| bddebian | punkrockguy318: Each method of building does things just a little differently | 07:30 |
| punkrockguy318 | alright, thank you | 07:30 |
| punkrockguy318 | you all are very helpful, btw | 07:31 |
| bddebian | Should I be worried about this error: -> installing dummy policy-rc.d | 07:31 |
| bddebian | /usr/bin/apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 07:31 |
| \sh | hmmm...bugday one == motu recruiting day? | 07:31 |
| \sh | bddebian: build first a hoary pbuilder and update then to breezy | 07:32 |
| bddebian | heh | 07:32 |
| bddebian | Bah, why? | 07:32 |
| bddebian | :-( | 07:32 |
| \sh | bddebian: do u want an answer?? ,-) I will give u a "why not?" ;) | 07:32 |
| bddebian | No I have to whack my breezy pbuilder? | 07:32 |
| mfgalizi | me? | 07:32 |
| bddebian | s/No/Now | 07:33 |
| \sh | bddebian: well, yes | 07:33 |
| bddebian | fsck | 07:33 |
| siretart | hi folks | 07:34 |
| bddebian | Heya siretart | 07:34 |
| === \sh 's not there today | ||
| \sh | too tired, eyes are hurting, and made too many mistakes today :( | 07:35 |
| bddebian | \sh: So what's the best way to trash my pbuilder to start over? | 07:35 |
| siretart | bddebian: recreate your base.tar.gz | 07:36 |
| siretart | pbuilder create ... | 07:36 |
| \sh | update pbuilderrc | 07:36 |
| \sh | replace in /etc/pbuilderrc/apt.conf/sources.list "breezy" in hoary | 07:36 |
| \sh | and udpate | 07:36 |
| \sh | wit --override-config | 07:36 |
| \sh | or delete base-tar.gz | 07:37 |
| \sh | and create a new one | 07:37 |
| \sh | i do it every third day | 07:37 |
| bddebian | Where is base.tar.gz stored? | 07:38 |
| jamessan|work | create a new one? why? | 07:38 |
| siretart | bddebian: by default, in /var/lib/default, but you can customize it in the config file | 07:39 |
| ivoks | bye all | 07:40 |
| bddebian | Later ivoks | 07:40 |
| bddebian | Thanks siretart | 07:40 |
| ivoks | elmo: ping | 07:41 |
| ivoks | \sh: ping :) | 07:43 |
| \sh | pong | 07:43 |
| ivoks | \sh: could you remind elmo, when it comes back, to whitelist my address? | 07:44 |
| \sh | yepp | 07:44 |
| ivoks | thanx, see you | 07:44 |
| \sh | cu ivoks :) | 07:45 |
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| \sh | hmmm | 08:06 |
| \sh | looks like tomorrow is a new pykde time | 08:06 |
| Mithrandir | tseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeng | 08:14 |
| Mithrandir | why the hell is beagle reindexing my ~/CA every second? | 08:14 |
| Mithrandir | apparently, it changes something in the directory which updates the ctime which means it notices, then reindexes ad infinitum | 08:15 |
| tseng | Mithrandir: yes | 08:23 |
| tseng | Mithrandir: stop touching the file | 08:23 |
| Mithrandir | I'm not touching the file | 08:24 |
| Mithrandir | it's a directory | 08:24 |
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| tseng | it does that on xsession-errors too | 08:24 |
| tseng | i wonder if there is a way yet to exclude a directoy | 08:24 |
| tseng | directory | 08:24 |
| Mithrandir | well, there's nothing but beagle touching that directory.. | 08:31 |
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| herve_ | hello | 08:31 |
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| bddebian | Heya herve | 08:41 |
| \sh | guys, g'night ... need to sleep completly exhausted | 08:45 |
| bddebian | Gnight \sh | 08:45 |
| ogra | herve, happy bugday | 08:45 |
| siretart | gn8 \sh_away | 08:46 |
| herve | ogra, fly squash party? | 08:49 |
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| ogra | herve, see topic :) | 08:52 |
| herve | ok, that was you ultra secret flyflap party :-) | 08:53 |
| herve | oops! I told the word :-) | 08:53 |
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| herve | by the way | 09:06 |
| herve | do we have a automatic maintained list of universe packages diverging from debian | 09:06 |
| herve | to know when to merge | 09:06 |
| chrissturm | herve: if it has ubuntu in the name its diverging | 09:07 |
| herve | I mean, like the automatic bugs in bugzilla: "new version from Debian requires merging" | 09:07 |
| herve | chrissturm, ubuntu + newer version in debian | 09:07 |
| ogra | Kamion once made a list, but thats outdated (i think it was for hoary) | 09:07 |
| chrissturm | oops, right | 09:08 |
| bddebian | OK, so I rebuilt my pbuilder for hoary. Now I just update to breezy? | 09:08 |
| ogra | yep | 09:08 |
| Mithrandir | elmo makes you a list if you ask him nicely. Or he might have one which is cronned now | 09:08 |
| herve | I'll see after the cxx transition | 09:11 |
| herve | I hope I'll get spare time and peace of mind by the time | 09:11 |
| herve | including resynchronising with debian's own cxx transition | 09:12 |
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| lesliev | yoyoyo! | 09:14 |
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| siretart | hi lesliev :) | 09:31 |
| siretart | lesliev: congrats to your first upload to revu :) | 09:31 |
| bddebian | Should I not change pbuilderrc to breezy? | 09:35 |
| siretart | bddebian: you should definitly, because all uploads will be build against breezy | 09:35 |
| bddebian | siretart: OK, I did, but I wasn't sure if it is correct :-) | 09:36 |
| bddebian | Thx | 09:36 |
| lesliev | siretart: thanks ;-) | 09:37 |
| lesliev | needs lots of work though! | 09:37 |
| siretart | lesliev: in german we say "every beginning is hard". | 09:38 |
| siretart | don't know if thats also applicable in english | 09:38 |
| siretart | can anyone check on revu? I tweaked a bit the colors of the stylesheet | 09:40 |
| siretart | RED meens the package is NEW and needs 3 advocates for inclusion to ubuntu | 09:40 |
| siretart | cyan means 1 advocate suffices, white means that this version is probably already in the archive | 09:41 |
| lesliev | It's applicable in any language! I'll keep at it. Soon I'll be able to help more. | 09:44 |
| lesliev | REVU looks good, although the colours are a little intense | 09:44 |
| lesliev | Just from a graphical point of view :-) | 09:44 |
| siretart | lesliev: I guessed that. the problem is that I'm absolutly untalented with colors ;) | 09:45 |
| siretart | if someone could tell me better colors, I'll adapt the stylesheet immediatly | 09:45 |
| lesliev | I'm looking at my package directories with Meld. Meld is great! | 09:45 |
| siretart | html compatible color codes please ;) | 09:45 |
| siretart | meld? whats that? | 09:45 |
| lesliev | I suggest blues: 7684db | 09:46 |
| lesliev | and 76c6db | 09:47 |
| lesliev | Try those | 09:47 |
| siretart | what color for what? | 09:47 |
| siretart | what for NEW what for 'normal'? | 09:47 |
| lesliev | The brighter one for the current cyan | 09:47 |
| lesliev | ie. the second one | 09:47 |
| terrex | anybody knows why i'm not able to send my gpg to launchpad ? | 09:48 |
| lesliev | Meld is the best diff viewer I have seen, and it can diff directories too | 09:48 |
| lesliev | Very graphical | 09:48 |
| lesliev | hmm, a little better | 09:49 |
| lesliev | (revu I mean) | 09:49 |
| siretart | jepp | 09:49 |
| siretart | but I'm not sure that suits with the white and brown tone from the ubuntu theme... hmm | 09:49 |
| lesliev | yeah | 09:50 |
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| lesliev | It you want to stick with earth tones you can try reds... | 09:50 |
| siretart | lets see | 09:51 |
| lesliev | Possible: c67f69 and ba5b3e for the darker? | 09:52 |
| siretart | better, but still too intense, I think.. | 09:54 |
| bddebian | OK, I'm a little confused on the pbuilder thing. Do I actually want to build in pbuilder or just test the deb once it's built? | 09:54 |
| siretart | bddebian: if it is a rather small packager or if you are confident that it will build you can use pdebuild as debuild replacement for building in pbuilder | 09:56 |
| siretart | bddebian: in general I use it rather to test package. for doing more advanced packaging, I have a chroot | 09:57 |
| bddebian | Sheesh.. :-( | 09:57 |
| siretart | lesliev: what do you think now? | 10:00 |
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| seb128 | hi | 10:03 |
| tseng | hi seb128 | 10:04 |
| seb128 | anybody of you has mailed the guy who has packaged anjuta2 ? | 10:04 |
| lesliev | look nicer! | 10:04 |
| lesliev | Still don't like the red so much.... maybe a darker brown? ba8546? | 10:05 |
| lesliev | I was afraid to go all browns because it can be confused with the rest of the page | 10:06 |
| lesliev | people might not notice that there's a scheme | 10:06 |
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| siretart | lesliev: thats better | 10:16 |
| siretart | perhaps a bit lighter? hm.. | 10:16 |
| lesliev | Now there are three colours! | 10:20 |
| lesliev | the dark looks ok to me | 10:20 |
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| lesliev | maybe this for the lighter colour: de9e4e | 10:22 |
| siretart | lesliev: you are sure about the dark brown? | 10:26 |
| lesliev | hehe, maybe it's too dark. but try the light colour too and see how it looks. | 10:36 |
| lesliev | eyuck! greeny brown! :-)) | 10:56 |
| herve | good night | 10:56 |
| siretart | lesliev: this one is good? | 10:57 |
| lesliev | ok. Maybe *slightly* lighter. But put in the light colour too (unless you want to keep that grey?) | 10:59 |
| siretart | hm. I think the grey is ok. perhaps I could get the brown a bit lighter.. | 11:00 |
| lesliev | Talk about taking a long time just to choose some colours! We really are not great artists. | 11:00 |
| lesliev | I don't like the grey at all. | 11:01 |
| siretart | hm. it the same grey as in the right coloums.. | 11:01 |
| siretart | it is | 11:01 |
| lesliev | Try a lighter brown instead, just to see. A slightly lighter version of the dark brown. And make the dark brown slightly lighter too. | 11:07 |
| lesliev | and see how it looks. | 11:07 |
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| siretart | lesliev: like this? | 11:12 |
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| lesliev | I think that's pretty good. | 11:13 |
| siretart | :) | 11:13 |
| siretart | ok, then I'll check this version in (to svn) | 11:14 |
| Burgundavia | siretart, the brown text on brown is terrible for looking at for a long time | 11:14 |
| lesliev | ok! You should check out Meld sometime, btw. - you'll see why I like it. | 11:14 |
| lesliev | hehe! hey, our brown is nice! | 11:15 |
| lesliev | ah well, I am off to play arimaa. Seey'all | 11:15 |
| siretart | Burgundavia: hm. can you help me with the stylesheet then? I'm really a noob when it comes to colors :( | 11:15 |
| Burgundavia | siretart, I assume we are talking about the live site at http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ ? | 11:16 |
| lesliev | it's not really brown any more, it's green ;-) | 11:16 |
| siretart | yes, we are | 11:16 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 11:16 |
| Burgundavia | just a general usablity stuff | 11:16 |
| Burgundavia | why are ontv and smeg a different colour? | 11:16 |
| lesliev | good luck | 11:16 |
| siretart | ah, I think I found out | 11:17 |
| siretart | Burgundavia: I added some explanation above. | 11:17 |
| Burgundavia | you also set up this great alternating colour thing | 11:17 |
| Burgundavia | but then you blow it by having the actual packages not follow the scheme | 11:17 |
| Burgundavia | why not have the entire row the alternating colours? | 11:17 |
| Burgundavia | if you need to indicate status, an icon or text can do that | 11:18 |
| siretart | hm. I assumed that more text would let the table explode on smaller displays, but icons would be an alternative, indeed. | 11:18 |
| Burgundavia | actions can become a smaller column if you use standard icons for it | 11:19 |
| Burgundavia | or standard short text | 11:19 |
| siretart | hm. perhaps you're right | 11:20 |
| siretart | Burgundavia: do you have any icons I could use for that? | 11:21 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 11:21 |
| Burgundavia | what actions do need? | 11:21 |
| siretart | I would need icons for NEW, 'normal' and updated packages, and for the actions 'archive this' 'unarchive this' and 'nuke this' | 11:21 |
| Burgundavia | what is normal? | 11:22 |
| siretart | I've been thinking about the action 'join this with another upload', but thats not decided yet | 11:22 |
| Burgundavia | the "join this with another upload", that is for packages that depend on each other? | 11:23 |
| siretart | normal is an upload, which updates the version in the archive. this kind of uploads usually only need a sponsor agreeing | 11:23 |
| Burgundavia | so normal is when the packages is already in the archive? | 11:23 |
| siretart | Burgundavia: I'm really not sure how this can be implemented. there should be some feature to join or merge or update uploads. perhaps a better place would be in the details page anyway | 11:24 |
| siretart | Burgundavia: exactly | 11:24 |
| siretart | NEW means neither in ubuntu nor in debian | 11:24 |
| Burgundavia | what the difference between normal and updated? | 11:25 |
| siretart | updated means that a newer version has been uploaded to ubuntu, perhaps by the uploader himself, perhaps by the reviewer or by someone else | 11:27 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 11:28 |
| Burgundavia | I am still confused at the third status | 11:28 |
| Burgundavia | I understand New and Updated | 11:28 |
| Burgundavia | bear with me for sec | 11:28 |
| Burgundavia | I think you need several statuses | 11:29 |
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| sistpoty | hi all | 11:29 |
| Burgundavia | the first status tells you about whether the package is New or Updated | 11:29 |
| Burgundavia | the 2nd status tells you what the action taken on the package | 11:29 |
| Burgundavia | is that correct? | 11:29 |
| siretart | huhu sistpoty | 11:30 |
| sistpoty | hi siretart | 11:30 |
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| Burgundavia | that being said | 11:32 |
| Burgundavia | I would resign the front page in the following way | 11:32 |
| Mithrandir | I hope you mean "redesign"? | 11:32 |
| Burgundavia | Mithrandir, yes | 11:32 |
| ogra | heh | 11:32 |
| tseng | hi | 11:33 |
| Burgundavia | split up the new and updated packages into seperate tables | 11:33 |
| Burgundavia | salut tseng, ogra Mithrandir | 11:33 |
| Mithrandir | hi Burgundavia, good night everybody. | 11:33 |
| ogra | night Mithrandir | 11:34 |
| siretart | gn8 Mithrandir | 11:34 |
| tseng | hth did i get on bug 243 on malone | 11:34 |
| Burgundavia | rename the upload column to package | 11:34 |
| tseng | or do i get all bugs now? | 11:34 |
| ogra | tseng, didnt you know ? | 11:34 |
| siretart | Burgundavia: thats an good idea: first all NEW ones, then all 'normal' ones.. it requeires some redesign of the template, but I like that idea | 11:34 |
| tseng | ogra: know what? | 11:34 |
| tseng | ogra: all bugs -> brandon? | 11:34 |
| ogra | sure | 11:35 |
| tseng | its about some package called pinfo | 11:35 |
| tseng | never heard of it | 11:35 |
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| ogra | youre our new bugfilter :) | 11:35 |
| tseng | very confused | 11:35 |
| ivoks | hi all | 11:35 |
| Burgundavia | advocates is more important than comments | 11:35 |
| tseng | most of the big motu names are on it | 11:35 |
| ogra | no, honestly, no idea how you got that bug :) | 11:35 |
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| tseng | Reply-To: Malone Bugtracker <243@bugs.launchpad.ubuntu.com> | 11:35 |
| tseng | ToddMA: dilys@muse.19inch.net, ajmitch@ihug.co.nz, brandon@smarterits.com, hcauwelier@oursours.net, hostmaster@grawert.net, jriddell@ubuntu.com, koke@amedias.org, martijn@foodfight.org, niall@evil.ie | 11:35 |
| Burgundavia | bold the number of advocates, and leave the comments unbold, the make it easy to see the difference | 11:35 |
| Burgundavia | siretart, normal should be renamed updated | 11:36 |
| siretart | tseng: I'm using pinfo regulary. I like it | 11:37 |
| tseng | i dont read info | 11:37 |
| tseng | man > * | 11:37 |
| tseng | i used to read manpages in vim | 11:37 |
| tseng | but the script i had truncates them :( | 11:37 |
| tseng | back to less | 11:38 |
| Burgundavia | siretart, for icons for new and updated, what about a an arrow pointing up for new and an arrow in a circle for updated? | 11:39 |
| ogra | tseng, haha | 11:39 |
| tseng | ogra: i uesd to be so 1337 before we met | 11:39 |
| ogra | tseng, that was our demo bug in the first IRC meeting with bradb | 11:39 |
| bddebian | hehe | 11:39 |
| Burgundavia | siretart, I would place the icons in two places, next to the table heading on the main page, and on the page of the package, in the upper right hand corner | 11:40 |
| tseng | ogra: i had no gnome, 6 terminals up on one screen | 11:40 |
| tseng | ogra: everything in shell, because that was cool | 11:40 |
| tseng | im reformed now | 11:40 |
| ogra | pheew.... | 11:40 |
| tseng | oh nice | 11:41 |
| Burgundavia | tseng, didn't you used to be a gentoo user? | 11:41 |
| tseng | serpentine actually works now | 11:41 |
| tseng | Burgundavia: i used to lead all sorts of gentoo stuff | 11:41 |
| Burgundavia | siretart, I will be back in about 1/2 hour if you have any questions. BTW, REVU is awesome shit | 11:41 |
| siretart | Burgundavia: I'm glad you like it :) | 11:41 |
| ogra | tseng, serpentine works ? cool :) | 11:42 |
| tseng | Burgundavia: but i got pretty tired of the lame CFLAGS users and poor QA | 11:42 |
| tseng | ogra: yep | 11:42 |
| tseng | ogra: always crashed before | 11:43 |
| ogra | yes, you had to disable the burn stuff in g-v-m to make it work | 11:43 |
| tseng | oh | 11:43 |
| tseng | well i couldnt even start it | 11:43 |
| tseng | regardless of gvm | 11:43 |
| ogra | oh | 11:44 |
| tseng | its pretty simple though | 11:44 |
| tseng | does it use gstreamer? | 11:44 |
| ogra | yep | 11:48 |
| ogra | and libnautilus-burn | 11:48 |
| ivoks | as I don't have upload rights yet, i uploaded bugfixed package to revu | 11:49 |
| ivoks | just upload it, small fix - use gksudo instead of gksu | 11:49 |
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| siretart | ivoks: I've seen it with pleasure :) | 11:52 |
| tseng | bwar i want my planet gnome | 11:52 |
| ivoks | :) | 11:53 |
| tseng | i should write more ajax | 11:53 |
| ivoks | siretart: revu is great stuff | 11:53 |
| tseng | i am like a little school girl over it | 11:53 |
| tseng | revu + ajax | 11:53 |
| siretart | ajax? | 11:53 |
| tseng | client + serverside javascript magic | 11:53 |
| tseng | as seen in google maps, etc | 11:54 |
| siretart | ah | 11:54 |
| tseng | like refilling a page with dynamic data without reloading | 11:54 |
| tseng | so my search app can find as you type | 11:54 |
| ivoks | ajax | 11:54 |
| tseng | sort as you click | 11:54 |
| ivoks | great stuff | 11:54 |
| tseng | its freaking candy | 11:54 |
| ivoks | totally | 11:54 |
| tseng | i cant stop | 11:54 |
| ivoks | like a C app | 11:54 |
| tseng | im an ajax monster | 11:54 |
| ivoks | i saw a demo on ./ | 11:55 |
| tseng | feed me crack | 11:55 |
| ivoks | like comments on article | 11:55 |
| siretart | any example page availabe? | 11:55 |
| tseng | yes | 11:55 |
| ivoks | you type it in and hit ok, it doesn't reload | 11:55 |
| ivoks | it just appears! | 11:55 |
| tseng | siretart: http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en | 11:55 |
| tseng | siretart: MAGIC | 11:55 |
| tseng | type ubuntu | 11:56 |
| ivoks | ? | 11:56 |
| tseng | ? | 11:56 |
| ivoks | ah, yes! great | 11:56 |
| tseng | now my search page | 11:56 |
| tseng | actualyl gives you the full result set as you type like that | 11:57 |
| tseng | since its pretty small groups | 11:57 |
| ivoks | url url :) | 11:57 |
| tseng | you cant | 11:57 |
| tseng | its behind many firewalls | 11:57 |
| ivoks | eh :( | 11:57 |
| ivoks | damn firewalls :) | 11:57 |
| tseng | i work at a financial company | 11:57 |
| tseng | https://bob.kdz13.net/ | 11:57 |
| tseng | this is my friends POC | 11:57 |
| siretart | tseng: ah, THATS ajax. I see.. | 11:58 |
| ivoks | great stuff | 11:58 |
| tseng | siretart: what happens is | 11:58 |
| tseng | the frontend page has an empty div | 11:58 |
| tseng | with id=result | 11:58 |
| tseng | and there are javascript functions that go onkeyup | 11:59 |
| tseng | that query the backend page with a GET | 11:59 |
| tseng | and that page returns say an html table | 11:59 |
| tseng | that gets written into the div | 11:59 |
| tseng | no reloading | 11:59 |
| tseng | so my application does stuff with rrdtool | 12:00 |
| tseng | i want to apply a slider, for the time period | 12:00 |
| tseng | and do a live update of the graph image | 12:00 |
| tseng | i alreayd make the image dynamically.. it will just be inline | 12:00 |
| siretart | wow. thats impressing | 12:01 |
| tseng | sorry... i get really excited about this :P | 12:01 |
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