[12:05] <siretart> huhu ajmitch hi bddebian
[12:05] <bddebian> Hello siretart
[12:06] <ajmitch> hey siretart
[12:06] <ajmitch> did revu get it's home sorted out?
[12:09] <siretart> Unfrgiven: welcome in the team :)
[12:09] <uniq> hmm. am i just lost, or isn't there a option to make wiki pages anymore?
[12:09] <ajmitch> ah, smeg is up on revu
[12:09] <siretart> ogra: I think revu is also good for any kind of revu
[12:10] <siretart> ajmitch: yeah, I wanted to test 'sponsoring'. so I uploaded smeg to revu
[12:10] <ogra> siretart, i have only added the last part ;)
[12:10] <ogra> change the rest as you like :)
[12:10] <ajmitch> last I heard he hadn't checked compatibility with the latest gnome-menus
[12:10] <ajmitch> s/he/amaranth/
[12:11] <siretart> ogra: done :)
[12:12] <ajmitch> siretart: thanks for all your hard work.. :)
[12:12] <ajmitch> I'd like to do something similar to ogra's build logs page
[12:13] <ajmitch> except that it does a bit more processing - just showing the latest build for the latest version of which package
[12:13] <ajmitch> so that you can get a summary list of what universe packages FTBFS today :)
[12:13] <siretart> ajmitch: \sh already hacked sbuild for usage with revu, so autobuilding will be possible soon
[12:13] <ajmitch> siretart: great
[12:14] <ajmitch> I'm wanting to do this for the main logs that ogra pulls from lamont's dir
[12:14] <siretart> ajmitch: the problem is: I cannot run sbuild on tauware.de, because I cannot setup /proc inside a chroot
[12:14] <ajmitch> right
[12:14] <lamont__> siretart: why not?
[12:15] <lamont__> btw, many things work just fine without /proc in the chroot....
[12:15] <lamont__> but some things don't...
[12:15] <siretart> lamont__: linux vserver works a bit like bsd jails, but you have root inside the vserver not with all linux capabilities
[12:16] <lamont__> ah, ok
[12:16] <siretart> lamont__: it's like a real root, but I have no local loopback, cannot mount anything, cannot change date and so on
[12:16] <siretart> but its fast!
[12:16] <ajmitch> hopefully xen will be usable with breezy
[12:16] <siretart> ack
[12:16] <lamont__> ajmitch: that'd be cool
[12:19] <ajmitch> but I think I should wait until I'm somewhere with bandwidth :)
[12:19] <\sh> i can't believe it
[12:19] <\sh> Ogra: You blogged...:)
[12:19] <ogra> heh :)
[12:20] <ajmitch> he blogged?..
[12:20] <\sh> and because of this, i had to update my article
[12:20] <ajmitch> what's so special about that? :)
[12:20] <ogra> once in a while i do that, yes :)
[12:20] <tseng> hm
[12:20] <Unfrgiven> hi all
[12:20] <Unfrgiven> tseng: thanks :)
[12:20] <Unfrgiven> siretart:  thanks :)
[12:20] <\sh> because after the fall of the sack of rice in a small province of china, this is a important news ;)
[12:20] <ajmitch> hey Unfrgiven, welcome to the team :)
[12:21] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: thanks :) im pumped about it!
[12:21] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: great, now get back to work ;)
[12:21] <Unfrgiven> :)
[12:21] <\sh> Read everything about unfrgiven, revu and ogra on the planet ;)
[12:22] <ajmitch> it looks like we have a few packages in universe that aren't in debian
[12:22] <ajmitch> at least not in debian main
[12:22] <Unfrgiven> actually i was going to send out an email to the motu team today
[12:23] <Unfrgiven> given that there is UVF next week, perhaps we should put some effort into packaging the popular apps from gnomefiles.org
[12:23] <tseng> "next week"?
[12:23] <tseng> is that like, hard freeze, or MOM turned off
[12:23] <Unfrgiven> 7th july right?
[12:24] <tseng> buh
[12:24] <ajmitch> MOM turned off
[12:24] <ajmitch> we can still throw crack into universe if needed
[12:25] <tseng> i dont work in universe
[12:25] <Unfrgiven> so when is the cutoff for universe?
[12:25] <siretart> is uploading of c++ applications allowed already?
[12:27] <Unfrgiven> darn ive forgotten what MOM stands for again....
[12:27] <Unfrgiven> google doesnt help much there :)
[12:27] <tseng> i need a bot to parse MOM and stand? for
[12:28] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: release - 1 hour :)
[12:28] <ajmitch> I think that's about when it was cutoff for hoary
[12:28] <\sh> Merge-O-Matic
[12:29] <Unfrgiven> \sh: thanks!
[12:41] <Unfrgiven> now that im a motu, what do i need to do to get my address whitelisted? just email my gpg id to keyring@ubuntu?
[12:42] <tseng> yes
[12:42] <Mez> Unfrgiven, is it in the strong set?
[12:42] <tseng> i signed it
[12:43] <Mez> ah fair enoguh
[12:43] <Unfrgiven> :)
[12:43] <Mez> wait
[12:43] <Mez> sorry
[12:43] <Mez> I'm tried
[12:43] <Mez> I'm in the strong set (ty to riddell)
[12:43] <Mez> but I'm confused as to what needs doing for the MOTU :D
[12:43] <ajmitch> Mez: a bunch of MOTUs & others signed it at UDU
[12:44] <ajmitch> so I'd say it's fairly good
[12:44] <Mez> oh fair enough
[12:44] <Mez> lol
[12:45] <Unfrgiven> so do i just paste the output of "gpg --list-keys ankur" in an email to keyring? thats it? do i get a confirmation?
[12:46] <tseng> Unfrgiven: sign the mail
[12:49] <Unfrgiven> tseng: k, done. now should i expect a reply?
[12:49] <tseng> Unfrgiven: possibly not
[12:50] <tseng> Unfrgiven: i got one
[12:50] <Unfrgiven> and is the process automated?
[12:51] <ajmitch> nope
[12:52] <Unfrgiven> fair enough.
[12:53] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: did i tell you that im going to be in auckland next week?
[12:53] <ajmitch> no, you didn't
[12:53] <ajmitch> but I'm down in Dunedin
[12:53] <ajmitch> what are you visiting auckland for?
[12:53] <Unfrgiven> oh yeah thats right. student town :)
[12:53] <Unfrgiven> visitng my in-laws.
[12:53] <ajmitch> ah, fun
[12:54] <ajmitch> you might have mentioned that :)
[12:58] <siretart> ok. gn8 folks!
[12:58] <ajmitch> night siretart
[12:58] <Unfrgiven> siretart: nite mate
[01:29] <sistpoty> mv sistpoty /dev/bed
[01:29] <sistpoty> gn8 together ;)
[01:29] <ajmitch> night :)
[02:54] <Mez> Hmm.
[06:21] <HostingGeek> ubuntulog: back again?
[08:15] <siretart> morning
[08:16] <\sh> morning :)
[08:17] <ajmitch> hi
[08:17] <\sh> I'm rich I don't believe it
[08:17] <ajmitch> oh?
[08:17] <ajmitch> share your riches! ;)
[08:18] <\sh> my salary just reached my account ;)
[08:18] <ajmitch> yay
[08:18] <ajmitch> hey jerome
[08:18] <ajmitch> :)
[08:18] <jsgotangco> hey
[08:19] <jsgotangco> OT: is there a Red Hat guy in the house
[08:20] <ajmitch> drbyte is in -devel, isn't he?
[08:20] <jsgotangco> oh right
[08:20] <jsgotangco> i'm setting up an oracle server here that only requires rh ad/es 2.1 -> 3.0 but its kinda strange on the setup
[08:20] <jsgotangco> but if i boot ubuntu everything works fine
[08:21] <ajmitch> but you don't get oracle support on ubuntu yet :)
[08:21] <jsgotangco> thats right
[08:25] <siretart> moin
[08:49] <\sh> Unfrgiven: ping *g*
[09:03] <ivoks> \sh: i fixed a package in universe, do I just upload it or it needs review?
[09:03] <ivoks> it's simple change.. use gksudo instead of gksu
[09:03] <\sh> ivoks: upload :) u have the right:)
[09:04] <ivoks> all right! :)
[09:05] <ivoks> fsck.. wrong destination :)
[09:05] <ivoks> almost did upload to revu :)
[09:07] <ivoks> ok, uploaded...
[09:08] <ivoks> but i'm not sure it's there :)
[09:11] <siretart> ivoks: are you sure you uploaded to tauware.de? I do not see anything in the UploadQueue
[09:12] <ivoks> i didin't
[09:12] <ivoks> almost
[09:12] <ivoks> :)
[09:12] <siretart> ah. ic
[09:12] <ivoks> this isn't a new package, it doesn't need review
[09:12] <ivoks> so i uploaded directly to repository :)
[09:13] <siretart> ah. even better :)
[09:13] <ivoks> or whatever it is at upload.ubuntu.com :)
[09:15] <ivoks> but i think my upload is droped :)
[09:26] <\sh> ivoks: it doesn't matter what part of a country...at least there is good beer, coffee and piece :)
[09:27] <ivoks> :)
[09:27] <ivoks> ok then
[09:28] <ivoks> \sh: my upload is droped
[09:28] <ivoks> still can't upload :)
[09:28] <ivoks> i guess i have to contact elmo :)
[09:29] <ivoks> well, time to go now..
[09:29] <ivoks> see you
[10:43] <ivoks> it really sucks to have nvidia on breezy :(
[12:15] <tseng> hi
[02:06] <tseng> hi
[02:06] <Treenaks> hi
[02:07] <ogra> hi
[02:07] <tseng> bug day.
[02:19] <Mithrandir> hi tseng, Treenaks
[02:44] <tseng> hi Mithrandir
[02:46] <chrissturm> hey guys!
[02:47] <chrissturm> how can i install ghc6 to my pbuilder env?
[03:39] <chrissturm> how does bindmount work with pbuilder? i have ghc installed in /usr/local and i need to have it in my pbuilder env to bootstrap ghc
[04:26] <bddebian> Morning
[04:28] <kiko> Amaranth, can we have you in #ubuntu-bugs for a moment?
[05:32] <uniq> how can i get access to changing status of bugs in bugzilla?
[05:36] <ogra> uniq, ask in #ubuntu-bugs :)
[05:37] <uniq> thanks.
[05:39] <punkrockguy318> ogra, hello
[05:39] <ogra> hey punkrockguy318
[05:40] <punkrockguy318> i'd be interested in join the motu team.  i'm an ameteur coder with a lot of time on my hands.  especially this summer, heh
[05:41] <ogra> punkrockguy318, thats great :)
[05:42] <punkrockguy318> ogra, there are probably some things I need to learn before I can become very effective, but I am more than willing to learn
[05:42] <ogra> punkrockguy318, easiest is to start with some package for a transition (mass change) they are mostly easy to fix (adding removing a dependency)
[05:42] <chrissturm> ogra: i am having a hard time with ghc
[05:42] <ogra> punkrockguy318, yep, roughly knowing the debian new maintainers guider is a good start
[05:42] <punkrockguy318> ogra, yeah, i'll take a look at that
[05:43] <ogra> chrissturm, sorry for that... didnt \sh say he'll help as soon as e has time ?
[05:43] <punkrockguy318> ogra, and also, I haven't even upgraded to breezy yet.  Should I install breezy on another partition?
[05:43] <chrissturm> punkrockguy318, look at the pbuilder howto
[05:43] <ogra> punkrockguy318, you dont need breezy, you can use a breezy pbuilder
[05:44] <ogra> punkrockguy318, the howto is on wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:44] <punkrockguy318> alright, i'll take a look at it
[05:44] <chrissturm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[05:44] <punkrockguy318> thank you
[05:44] <ogra> make yourself familiar with debuild and pbuilder and you know the very basic tools...
[05:45] <ogra> additionally look at the NM guide and you know packaging... then grab a transition package and fix it ;)
[05:45] <chrissturm> ogra, can you tell me how bindmount works?
[05:45] <punkrockguy318> nm?
[05:46] <bddebian> Debian New Maintainer guide
[05:46] <ogra> punkrockguy318, i heard doko has about 500 of such packages that are very easy to fix, probably he can mention one to you and you can learn by examining it
[05:46] <kiko> doko is the man with packages
[05:46] <chrissturm> ogra, i installed ghc to /usr/local from a binary, and i need it in the pbuilder chroot
[05:46] <ogra> bddebian, same for you we have a big bunch of packages that just need a dependency added :)
[05:47] <punkrockguy318> ogra, excellent!
[05:47] <ogra> very low hanging fruit
[05:47] <punkrockguy318> bddebian, thanks
[05:47] <punkrockguy318> ogra, great, i'll read this material and then I will talk to doko
[05:47] <punkrockguy318> ogra, does the motu have a mailing list?
[05:48] <ogra> punkrockguy318, we use ubuntu-devel
[05:48] <doko> ogra, punkrockguy318: unfortunately we don't have a nice overview which packages exactly did fail.
[05:48] <ogra> doko, not yet
[05:48] <ogra> doko, i think 500 pgks are worth a list
[05:49] <bddebian> ogra: I was actually trying to build fpc-2.0.0 last night
[05:49] <ogra> chrissturm, read up about hooks in pbuilder...
[05:50] <doko> ogra: there's a wiki page listing all existing C++ bug reports for applications in universe ...
[05:50] <chrissturm> ogra: got an url?
[05:50] <ogra> chrissturm, nope
[05:50] <ogra> chrissturm, i can only point to google...
[05:50] <chrissturm> :(
[05:51] <chrissturm> ok, i think i  found it in the pbuilder manual
[05:51] <punkrockguy318> ogra, doko: this is excellent! thank you all for your guidance in helping me help ;-)  well, I will be back later, i'm going to go shower.  i'll study this material and then I will get back to you doko.
[05:52] <ogra> punkrockguy318, youre welcome... if you got questions, just drop them in this channel, there is always someone to help around
[05:52] <doko> punkrockguy318: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCxxTransition
[06:09] <bddebian> punkrockguy318: Notice how ogra ignores me though. :-)
[06:10] <kiko> bddebian, that's because you talk to people who don't exist <wink>
[06:10] <bddebian> Hehe
[06:12] <ogra> kiko, to ehom do you talk ? :-P
[06:13] <ogra> whom
[06:13] <ogra> bddebian, is that from UniverseCandidates ?
[06:14] <bddebian> ogra: Yeah
[06:15] <ogra> great
[06:15] <ogra> already familiar with revu ?
[06:15] <bddebian> No
[06:16] <bddebian> ANd it's a strange thing anyway.  I was going to attempt CDBS but the guy already has all the Debian specific stuff in a folder
[06:16] <bddebian> OMG, I can't believe I just said folder
[06:16] <bddebian> s/folder/directory/
[06:16] <kiko> folder, folder, bddebian said folder
[06:16] <bddebian> Please kill me now!
[06:17] <bddebian> Hello ivoks
[06:19] <ivoks> bddebian: hi
[06:19] <bddebian> Thank you
[06:22] <ogra> bddebian, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[06:22] <ogra> bddebian, if you got it ready, put it there for revirew
[06:22] <ogra> -r
[06:24] <bddebian> ogra: I don't because of what I said above.. :-(  When I tried to do a dpkg-buildpackage just using his current rules/control/etc, I get a permission denied because it tries to run dpkg-buildpackage in clean:: ??
[06:25] <ogra> bddebian, you did build it from scratch ?
[06:25] <bddebian> ogra: Define "from scratch"  You mean ./configure && make from scratch?
[06:26] <ogra> bddebian, i mean dh_make
[06:26] <ogra> or any equivalent
[06:26] <bddebian> ogra: No, because he already had all the Debian specific stuff there
[06:27] <ogra> which didnt work apparently ...
[06:36] <bddebian> ogra: Aye, but that's because of your goofy sudo stuff ;-)
[06:36] <ogra> ??
[06:37] <ivoks> ?
[06:37] <bddebian> j/k
[06:37] <ogra> bddebian, never use root if orking with source packages... thats what fakeroot is for
[06:37] <ogra> and to build the binary, take pbuilder
[06:38] <bddebian> I haven't set up pbuilder yet. :-(
[06:38] <punkrockguy318> ogra: hey, i'm looking at the pbuilder howto... are we builing a chroot for breezy or hoary?
[06:38] <ogra> i.e. fakroot dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa should build you a new source package (given the orig.tar.gz is around)
[06:39] <ogra> punkrockguy318, build it for hoary and then update to breezy
[06:39] <ivoks> man pbuilder
[06:39] <punkrockguy318> ogra: oh, thanks!
[06:46] <bddebian> ogra:  debian/rules clean
[06:46] <bddebian> /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage: line 175: debian/rules: Permission denied
[06:46] <ogra> bddebian, how did you unpack the source package ?
[06:46] <bddebian> ogra: tar -xzf
[06:46] <ogra> bddebian, oh
[06:47] <ogra> so you got a native package... nasty
[06:47] <bddebian> I get the same error with dpkg-buildpackage -us -tc
[06:48] <ogra> bddebian, sure, make rules executable...
[06:48] <ogra> but that isnt a good start, native packages are not nice
[06:49] <bddebian> Well like I said I wanted to take his rules and configure files and CDBSize them but I don't know CDBS very well
[06:50] <\sh> don't use cdbs then
[06:50] <\sh> u should learn the basics
[06:51] <bddebian> Hmm, new error "bad interpreter"
[06:51] <ogra> bddebian, you shouldnt use cdbs in the beginning, start with debhelper, if you feel safe with that, look at cdbs
[06:54] <bddebian> Do I pretty much have to do it in a pbuilder environment?
[06:55] <\sh> u should use it...it has only advantages
[07:06] <punkrockguy318> why must authentication be disabled to you pbuilder?
[07:06] <tseng> it doesnt
[07:06] <tseng> you can alternatively install gpg in the chroot
[07:07] <punkrockguy318> oh
[07:07] <punkrockguy318> alright
[07:07] <tseng> with sudo pbuilder login --keep-after-login or something like that
[07:07] <tseng> see the manpage
[07:07] <tseng> maybe we should put gpg in the pbuilder set of essential packages on bootstrap
[07:08] <punkrockguy318> yeah
[07:08] <\sh> tseng: not advised, just because when u build more then one package, and one of them is depending on the other, and u use to test your own repos
[07:09] <\sh> for testing purposes is unauthenticated ok..
[07:14] <mfgalizi> So, who do I have to bribe to get a package reviewed?
[07:14] <punkrockguy318> How would you go about building a package without pbuilder?
[07:15] <bddebian> Apparently you don't :-)
[07:15] <punkrockguy318> lol
[07:15] <punkrockguy318> oh, dpkg-buildpackage
[07:16] <jamessan|work> or "debian/rules binary" or "debuild"
[07:16] <bddebian> punkrockguy318: Are you building a native package or re-doing a Debian/Ubuntu package?
[07:16] <mfgalizi> I listed a package on MOTUNewPackages and UniverseCandidates about a week ago; should I just be patient?
[07:17] <punkrockguy318> bddebian: neither, I was just wondering how pbuilder built the packages
[07:17] <punkrockguy318> jamessan|work: what package contains debuild?  I only have debuild-pbuilder installed on my system
[07:17] <bddebian> punkrockguy318: Oh
[07:17] <bddebian> mfgalizi: Which package?
[07:18] <jamessan|work> punkrockguy318: devscripts
[07:19] <punkrockguy318> jamessan|work: what's the difference between dpkg-buildpackage, debian/rules binary, and debuild?
[07:19] <mfgalizi> bddebian, libxvmcw
[07:20] <bddebian> mfgalizi: Ah
[07:27] <jamessan|work> punkrockguy318: debuild is a wrapper that calls dpkg-buildpackage, lintian, debsign
[07:29] <tseng> pdebuild :)
[07:29] <punkrockguy318> jamessan|work: what's the difference between dpkg-buildpackage and debian/rules binary
[07:30] <tseng> punkrockguy318: you can do dpkg-buildpackage -S to sign, etc
[07:30] <tseng> its flexible
[07:30] <tseng> read the man
[07:30] <bddebian> punkrockguy318: Each method of building does things just a little differently
[07:30] <punkrockguy318> alright, thank you
[07:31] <punkrockguy318> you all are very helpful, btw
[07:31] <bddebian> Should I be worried about this error:  -> installing dummy policy-rc.d
[07:31] <bddebian> /usr/bin/apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:31] <\sh> hmmm...bugday one == motu recruiting day?
[07:32] <\sh> bddebian: build first a hoary pbuilder and update then to breezy
[07:32] <bddebian> heh
[07:32] <bddebian> Bah, why?
[07:32] <bddebian> :-(
[07:32] <\sh> bddebian: do u want an answer?? ,-) I will give u a "why not?" ;)
[07:32] <bddebian> No I have to whack my breezy pbuilder?
[07:32] <mfgalizi> me?
[07:33] <bddebian> s/No/Now
[07:33] <\sh> bddebian: well, yes
[07:33] <bddebian> fsck
[07:34] <siretart> hi folks
[07:34] <bddebian> Heya siretart
[07:35] <\sh> too tired, eyes are hurting, and made too many mistakes today :(
[07:35] <bddebian> \sh: So what's the best way to trash my pbuilder to start over?
[07:36] <siretart> bddebian: recreate your base.tar.gz
[07:36] <siretart> pbuilder create ...
[07:36] <\sh> update pbuilderrc
[07:36] <\sh> replace in /etc/pbuilderrc/apt.conf/sources.list "breezy" in hoary
[07:36] <\sh> and udpate
[07:36] <\sh> wit --override-config
[07:37] <\sh> or delete base-tar.gz
[07:37] <\sh> and create a new one
[07:37] <\sh> i do it every third day
[07:38] <bddebian> Where is base.tar.gz stored?
[07:38] <jamessan|work> create a new one? why?
[07:39] <siretart> bddebian: by default, in /var/lib/default, but you can customize it in the config file
[07:40] <ivoks> bye all
[07:40] <bddebian> Later ivoks
[07:40] <bddebian> Thanks siretart
[07:41] <ivoks> elmo: ping
[07:43] <ivoks> \sh: ping :)
[07:43] <\sh> pong
[07:44] <ivoks> \sh: could you remind elmo, when it comes back, to whitelist my address?
[07:44] <\sh> yepp
[07:44] <ivoks> thanx, see you
[07:45] <\sh> cu ivoks :)
[08:06] <\sh> hmmm
[08:06] <\sh> looks like tomorrow is a new pykde time
[08:14] <Mithrandir> tseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeng
[08:14] <Mithrandir> why the hell is beagle reindexing my ~/CA every second?
[08:15] <Mithrandir> apparently, it changes something in the directory which updates the ctime which means it notices, then reindexes ad infinitum
[08:23] <tseng> Mithrandir: yes
[08:23] <tseng> Mithrandir: stop touching the file
[08:24] <Mithrandir> I'm not touching the file
[08:24] <Mithrandir> it's a directory
[08:24] <tseng> it does that on xsession-errors too
[08:24] <tseng> i wonder if there is a way yet to exclude a directoy
[08:24] <tseng> directory
[08:31] <Mithrandir> well, there's nothing but beagle touching that directory..
[08:31] <herve_> hello
[08:41] <bddebian> Heya herve
[08:45] <\sh> guys, g'night ... need to sleep completly exhausted
[08:45] <bddebian> Gnight \sh
[08:45] <ogra> herve, happy bugday
[08:46] <siretart> gn8 \sh_away
[08:49] <herve> ogra, fly squash party?
[08:52] <ogra> herve, see topic :)
[08:53] <herve> ok, that was you ultra secret flyflap party :-)
[08:53] <herve> oops! I told the word :-)
[09:06] <herve> by the way
[09:06] <herve> do we have a automatic maintained list of universe packages diverging from debian
[09:06] <herve> to know when to merge
[09:07] <chrissturm> herve: if it has ubuntu in the name its diverging
[09:07] <herve> I mean, like the automatic bugs in bugzilla: "new version from Debian requires merging"
[09:07] <herve> chrissturm, ubuntu + newer version in debian
[09:07] <ogra> Kamion once made a list, but thats outdated (i think it was for hoary)
[09:08] <chrissturm> oops, right
[09:08] <bddebian> OK, so I rebuilt my pbuilder for hoary.  Now I just update to breezy?
[09:08] <ogra> yep
[09:08] <Mithrandir> elmo makes you a list if you ask him nicely.  Or he might have one which is cronned now
[09:11] <herve> I'll see after the cxx transition
[09:11] <herve> I hope I'll get spare time and peace of mind by the time
[09:12] <herve> including resynchronising with debian's own cxx transition
[09:14] <lesliev> yoyoyo!
[09:31] <siretart> hi lesliev :)
[09:31] <siretart> lesliev: congrats to your first upload to revu :)
[09:35] <bddebian> Should I not change pbuilderrc to breezy?
[09:35] <siretart> bddebian: you should definitly, because all uploads will be build against breezy
[09:36] <bddebian> siretart: OK, I did, but I wasn't sure if it is correct :-)
[09:36] <bddebian> Thx
[09:37] <lesliev> siretart: thanks ;-)
[09:37] <lesliev> needs lots of work though!
[09:38] <siretart> lesliev: in german we say "every beginning is hard".
[09:38] <siretart> don't know if thats also applicable in english
[09:40] <siretart> can anyone check on revu? I tweaked a bit the colors of the stylesheet
[09:40] <siretart> RED meens the package is NEW and needs 3 advocates for inclusion to ubuntu
[09:41] <siretart> cyan means 1 advocate suffices, white means that this version is probably already in the archive
[09:44] <lesliev> It's applicable in any language! I'll keep at it. Soon I'll be able to help more.
[09:44] <lesliev> REVU looks good, although the colours are a little intense
[09:44] <lesliev> Just from a graphical point of view :-)
[09:45] <siretart> lesliev: I guessed that. the problem is that I'm absolutly untalented with colors ;)
[09:45] <siretart> if someone could tell me better colors, I'll adapt the stylesheet immediatly
[09:45] <lesliev> I'm looking at my package directories with Meld. Meld is great!
[09:45] <siretart> html compatible color codes please ;)
[09:45] <siretart> meld? whats that?
[09:46] <lesliev> I suggest blues: 7684db
[09:47] <lesliev> and 76c6db
[09:47] <lesliev> Try those
[09:47] <siretart> what color for what?
[09:47] <siretart> what for NEW what for 'normal'?
[09:47] <lesliev> The brighter one for the current cyan
[09:47] <lesliev> ie. the second one
[09:48] <terrex> anybody knows why i'm not able to send my gpg to launchpad ?
[09:48] <lesliev> Meld is the best diff viewer I have seen, and it can diff directories too
[09:48] <lesliev> Very graphical
[09:49] <lesliev> hmm, a little better
[09:49] <lesliev> (revu I mean)
[09:49] <siretart> jepp
[09:49] <siretart> but I'm not sure that suits with the white and brown tone from the ubuntu theme... hmm
[09:50] <lesliev> yeah
[09:50] <lesliev> It you want to stick with earth tones you can try reds...
[09:51] <siretart> lets see
[09:52] <lesliev> Possible: c67f69 and ba5b3e for the darker?
[09:54] <siretart> better, but still too intense, I think..
[09:54] <bddebian> OK, I'm a little confused on the pbuilder thing.  Do I actually want to build in pbuilder or just test the deb once it's built?
[09:56] <siretart> bddebian: if it is a rather small packager or if you are confident that it will build you can use pdebuild as debuild replacement for building in pbuilder
[09:57] <siretart> bddebian: in general I use it rather to test package. for doing more advanced packaging, I have a chroot
[09:57] <bddebian> Sheesh.. :-(
[10:00] <siretart> lesliev: what do you think now?
[10:03] <seb128> hi
[10:04] <tseng> hi seb128
[10:04] <seb128> anybody of you has mailed the guy who has packaged anjuta2 ?
[10:04] <lesliev> look nicer!
[10:05] <lesliev> Still don't like the red so much.... maybe a darker brown? ba8546?
[10:06] <lesliev> I was afraid to go all browns because it can be confused with the rest of the page
[10:06] <lesliev> people might not notice that there's a scheme
[10:16] <siretart> lesliev: thats better
[10:16] <siretart> perhaps a bit lighter? hm..
[10:20] <lesliev> Now there are three colours!
[10:20] <lesliev> the dark looks ok to me
[10:22] <lesliev> maybe this for the lighter colour: de9e4e
[10:26] <siretart> lesliev: you are sure about the dark brown?
[10:36] <lesliev> hehe, maybe it's too dark. but try the light colour too and see how it looks.
[10:56] <lesliev> eyuck! greeny brown! :-))
[10:56] <herve> good night
[10:57] <siretart> lesliev: this one is good?
[10:59] <lesliev> ok. Maybe *slightly* lighter. But put in the light colour too (unless you want to keep that grey?)
[11:00] <siretart> hm. I think the grey is ok. perhaps I could get the brown a bit lighter..
[11:00] <lesliev> Talk about taking a long time just to choose some colours! We really are not great artists.
[11:01] <lesliev> I don't like the grey at all.
[11:01] <siretart> hm. it the same grey as in the right coloums..
[11:01] <siretart> it is
[11:07] <lesliev> Try a lighter brown instead, just to see. A slightly lighter version of the dark brown. And make the dark brown slightly lighter too.
[11:07] <lesliev> and see how it looks.
[11:12] <siretart> lesliev: like this?
[11:13] <lesliev> I think that's pretty good.
[11:13] <siretart> :)
[11:14] <siretart> ok, then I'll check this version in (to svn)
[11:14] <Burgundavia> siretart, the brown text on brown is terrible for looking at for a long time
[11:14] <lesliev> ok! You should check out Meld sometime, btw. - you'll see why I like it.
[11:15] <lesliev> hehe! hey, our brown is nice!
[11:15] <lesliev> ah well, I am off to play arimaa. Seey'all
[11:15] <siretart> Burgundavia: hm. can you help me with the stylesheet then? I'm really a noob when it comes to colors :(
[11:16] <Burgundavia> siretart, I assume we are talking about the live site at http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ ?
[11:16] <lesliev> it's not really brown any more, it's green ;-)
[11:16] <siretart> yes, we are
[11:16] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:16] <Burgundavia> just a general usablity stuff
[11:16] <Burgundavia> why are ontv and smeg a different colour?
[11:16] <lesliev> good luck
[11:17] <siretart> ah, I think I found out
[11:17] <siretart> Burgundavia: I added some explanation above.
[11:17] <Burgundavia> you also set up this great alternating colour thing
[11:17] <Burgundavia> but then you blow it by having the actual packages not follow the scheme
[11:17] <Burgundavia> why not have the entire row the alternating colours?
[11:18] <Burgundavia> if you need to indicate status, an icon or text can do that
[11:18] <siretart> hm. I assumed that more text would let the table explode on smaller displays, but icons would be an alternative, indeed.
[11:19] <Burgundavia> actions can become a smaller column if you use standard icons for it
[11:19] <Burgundavia> or standard short text
[11:20] <siretart> hm. perhaps you're right
[11:21] <siretart> Burgundavia: do you have any icons I could use for that?
[11:21] <Burgundavia> hmm
[11:21] <Burgundavia> what actions do need?
[11:21] <siretart> I would need icons for NEW, 'normal' and updated packages, and for the actions 'archive this' 'unarchive this' and 'nuke this'
[11:22] <Burgundavia> what is normal?
[11:22] <siretart> I've been thinking about the action 'join this with another upload', but thats not decided yet
[11:23] <Burgundavia> the "join this with another upload", that is for packages that depend on each other?
[11:23] <siretart> normal is an upload, which updates the version in the archive. this kind of uploads usually only need a sponsor agreeing
[11:23] <Burgundavia> so normal is when the packages is already in the archive?
[11:24] <siretart> Burgundavia: I'm really not sure how this can be implemented. there should be some feature to join or merge or update uploads. perhaps a better place would be in the details page anyway
[11:24] <siretart> Burgundavia: exactly
[11:24] <siretart> NEW means neither in ubuntu nor in debian
[11:25] <Burgundavia> what the difference between normal and updated?
[11:27] <siretart> updated means that a newer version has been uploaded to ubuntu, perhaps by the uploader himself, perhaps by the reviewer or by someone else
[11:28] <Burgundavia> hmm
[11:28] <Burgundavia> I am still confused at the third status
[11:28] <Burgundavia> I understand New and Updated
[11:28] <Burgundavia> bear with me for sec
[11:29] <Burgundavia> I think you need several statuses
[11:29] <sistpoty> hi all
[11:29] <Burgundavia> the first status tells you about whether the package is New or Updated
[11:29] <Burgundavia> the 2nd status tells you what the action taken on the package
[11:29] <Burgundavia> is that correct?
[11:30] <siretart> huhu sistpoty
[11:30] <sistpoty> hi siretart
[11:32] <Burgundavia> that being said
[11:32] <Burgundavia> I would resign the front page in the following way
[11:32] <Mithrandir> I hope you mean "redesign"?
[11:32] <Burgundavia> Mithrandir, yes
[11:32] <ogra> heh
[11:33] <tseng> hi
[11:33] <Burgundavia> split up the new and updated packages into seperate tables
[11:33] <Burgundavia> salut tseng, ogra Mithrandir
[11:33] <Mithrandir> hi Burgundavia, good night everybody.
[11:34] <ogra> night Mithrandir
[11:34] <siretart> gn8 Mithrandir
[11:34] <tseng> hth did i get on bug 243 on malone
[11:34] <Burgundavia> rename the upload column to package
[11:34] <tseng> or do i get all bugs now?
[11:34] <ogra> tseng, didnt you know ?
[11:34] <siretart> Burgundavia: thats an good idea: first all NEW ones, then all 'normal' ones.. it requeires some redesign of the template, but I like that idea
[11:34] <tseng> ogra: know what?
[11:34] <tseng> ogra: all bugs -> brandon?
[11:35] <ogra> sure
[11:35] <tseng> its about some package called pinfo
[11:35] <tseng> never heard of it
[11:35] <ogra> youre our new bugfilter :)
[11:35] <tseng> very confused
[11:35] <ivoks> hi all
[11:35] <Burgundavia> advocates is more important than comments
[11:35] <tseng> most of the big motu names are on it
[11:35] <ogra> no, honestly, no idea how you got that bug :)
[11:35] <tseng> Reply-To: 	Malone Bugtracker <243@bugs.launchpad.ubuntu.com>
[11:35] <tseng> ToddMA: 	dilys@muse.19inch.net, ajmitch@ihug.co.nz, brandon@smarterits.com, hcauwelier@oursours.net, hostmaster@grawert.net, jriddell@ubuntu.com, koke@amedias.org, martijn@foodfight.org, niall@evil.ie
[11:35] <Burgundavia> bold the number of advocates, and leave the comments unbold, the make it easy to see the difference
[11:36] <Burgundavia> siretart, normal should be renamed updated
[11:37] <siretart> tseng: I'm using pinfo regulary. I like it
[11:37] <tseng> i dont read info
[11:37] <tseng> man > *
[11:37] <tseng> i used to read manpages in vim
[11:37] <tseng> but the script i had truncates them :(
[11:38] <tseng> back to less
[11:39] <Burgundavia> siretart, for icons for new and updated, what about a an arrow pointing up for new and an arrow in a circle for updated?
[11:39] <ogra> tseng, haha
[11:39] <tseng> ogra: i uesd to be so 1337 before we met
[11:39] <ogra> tseng, that was our demo bug in the first IRC meeting with bradb
[11:39] <bddebian> hehe
[11:40] <Burgundavia> siretart, I would place the icons in two places, next to the table heading on the main page, and on the page of the package, in the upper right hand corner
[11:40] <tseng> ogra: i had no gnome, 6 terminals up on one screen
[11:40] <tseng> ogra: everything in shell, because that was cool
[11:40] <tseng> im reformed now
[11:40] <ogra> pheew....
[11:41] <tseng> oh nice
[11:41] <Burgundavia> tseng, didn't you used to be a gentoo user?
[11:41] <tseng> serpentine actually works now
[11:41] <tseng> Burgundavia: i used to lead all sorts of gentoo stuff
[11:41] <Burgundavia> siretart, I will be back in about 1/2 hour if you have any questions. BTW, REVU is awesome shit
[11:41] <siretart> Burgundavia: I'm glad you like it :)
[11:42] <ogra> tseng, serpentine works ? cool :)
[11:42] <tseng> Burgundavia: but i got pretty tired of the lame CFLAGS users and poor QA
[11:42] <tseng> ogra: yep
[11:43] <tseng> ogra: always crashed before
[11:43] <ogra> yes, you had to disable the burn stuff in g-v-m to make it work
[11:43] <tseng> oh
[11:43] <tseng> well i couldnt even start it
[11:43] <tseng> regardless of gvm
[11:44] <ogra> oh
[11:44] <tseng> its pretty simple though
[11:44] <tseng> does it use gstreamer?
[11:48] <ogra> yep
[11:48] <ogra> and libnautilus-burn
[11:49] <ivoks> as I don't have upload rights yet, i uploaded bugfixed package to revu
[11:49] <ivoks> just upload it, small fix - use gksudo instead of gksu
[11:52] <siretart> ivoks: I've seen it with pleasure :)
[11:52] <tseng> bwar i want my planet gnome
[11:53] <ivoks> :)
[11:53] <tseng> i should write more ajax
[11:53] <ivoks> siretart: revu is great stuff
[11:53] <tseng> i am like a little school girl over it
[11:53] <tseng> revu + ajax
[11:53] <siretart> ajax?
[11:53] <tseng> client + serverside javascript magic
[11:54] <tseng> as seen in google maps, etc
[11:54] <siretart> ah
[11:54] <tseng> like refilling a page with dynamic data without reloading
[11:54] <tseng> so my search app can find as you type
[11:54] <ivoks> ajax
[11:54] <tseng> sort as you click
[11:54] <ivoks> great stuff
[11:54] <tseng> its freaking candy
[11:54] <ivoks> totally
[11:54] <tseng> i cant stop
[11:54] <ivoks> like a C app
[11:54] <tseng> im an ajax monster
[11:55] <ivoks> i saw a demo on ./
[11:55] <tseng> feed me crack
[11:55] <ivoks> like comments on article
[11:55] <siretart> any example page availabe?
[11:55] <tseng> yes
[11:55] <ivoks> you type it in and hit ok, it doesn't reload
[11:55] <ivoks> it just appears!
[11:55] <tseng> siretart: http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en
[11:55] <tseng> siretart: MAGIC
[11:56] <tseng> type ubuntu
[11:56] <ivoks> ?
[11:56] <tseng> ?
[11:56] <ivoks> ah, yes! great
[11:56] <tseng> now my search page
[11:57] <tseng> actualyl gives you the full result set as you type like that
[11:57] <tseng> since its pretty small groups
[11:57] <ivoks> url url :)
[11:57] <tseng> you cant
[11:57] <tseng> its behind many firewalls
[11:57] <ivoks> eh :(
[11:57] <ivoks> damn firewalls :)
[11:57] <tseng> i work at a financial company
[11:57] <tseng> https://bob.kdz13.net/
[11:57] <tseng> this is my friends POC
[11:58] <siretart> tseng: ah, THATS ajax. I see..
[11:58] <ivoks> great stuff
[11:58] <tseng> siretart: what happens is
[11:58] <tseng> the frontend page has an empty div
[11:58] <tseng> with id=result
[11:59] <tseng> and there are javascript functions that go onkeyup
[11:59] <tseng> that query the backend page with a GET
[11:59] <tseng> and that page returns say an html table
[11:59] <tseng> that gets written into the div
[11:59] <tseng> no reloading
[12:00] <tseng> so my application does stuff with rrdtool
[12:00] <tseng> i want to apply a slider, for the time period
[12:00] <tseng> and do a live update of the graph image
[12:00] <tseng> i alreayd make the image dynamically.. it will just be inline
[12:01] <siretart> wow. thats impressing
[12:01] <tseng> sorry... i get really excited about this :P