[12:05] huhu ajmitch hi bddebian [12:05] Hello siretart [12:06] hey siretart [12:06] did revu get it's home sorted out? === bradb [~bradb@modemcable082.64-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:ogra] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | NEW package? go here: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ || Welcome Unfrgiven as new MOTU *rock* | BugDay !! June 29 2005 in #ubuntu-bugs join in, go squash ! [12:09] Unfrgiven: welcome in the team :) === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-184-135-68.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:09] hmm. am i just lost, or isn't there a option to make wiki pages anymore? [12:09] ah, smeg is up on revu === ajmitch has already informally reviewd that, will put up comments :) [12:09] ogra: I think revu is also good for any kind of revu [12:10] ajmitch: yeah, I wanted to test 'sponsoring'. so I uploaded smeg to revu [12:10] siretart, i have only added the last part ;) [12:10] change the rest as you like :) [12:10] last I heard he hadn't checked compatibility with the latest gnome-menus [12:10] s/he/amaranth/ === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:siretart] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | package for reviewing (NEW or updated)? go here: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ || Welcome Unfrgiven as new MOTU *rock* | BugDay !! June 29 2005 in #ubuntu-bugs join in, go squash ! [12:11] ogra: done :) [12:12] siretart: thanks for all your hard work.. :) [12:12] I'd like to do something similar to ogra's build logs page [12:13] except that it does a bit more processing - just showing the latest build for the latest version of which package [12:13] so that you can get a summary list of what universe packages FTBFS today :) [12:13] ajmitch: \sh already hacked sbuild for usage with revu, so autobuilding will be possible soon [12:13] siretart: great [12:14] I'm wanting to do this for the main logs that ogra pulls from lamont's dir [12:14] ajmitch: the problem is: I cannot run sbuild on tauware.de, because I cannot setup /proc inside a chroot [12:14] right [12:14] siretart: why not? [12:15] btw, many things work just fine without /proc in the chroot.... [12:15] but some things don't... [12:15] lamont__: linux vserver works a bit like bsd jails, but you have root inside the vserver not with all linux capabilities [12:16] ah, ok [12:16] lamont__: it's like a real root, but I have no local loopback, cannot mount anything, cannot change date and so on [12:16] but its fast! [12:16] hopefully xen will be usable with breezy [12:16] ack [12:16] ajmitch: that'd be cool === ajmitch is looking at getting a new amd64 box for home sometime soon [12:19] but I think I should wait until I'm somewhere with bandwidth :) [12:19] <\sh> i can't believe it [12:19] <\sh> Ogra: You blogged...:) [12:19] heh :) [12:20] he blogged?.. [12:20] <\sh> and because of this, i had to update my article [12:20] what's so special about that? :) [12:20] once in a while i do that, yes :) [12:20] hm [12:20] hi all [12:20] tseng: thanks :) [12:20] siretart: thanks :) [12:20] <\sh> because after the fall of the sack of rice in a small province of china, this is a important news ;) [12:20] hey Unfrgiven, welcome to the team :) [12:21] ajmitch: thanks :) im pumped about it! [12:21] Unfrgiven: great, now get back to work ;) [12:21] :) === ajmitch looks around for something to work on [12:21] <\sh> Read everything about unfrgiven, revu and ogra on the planet ;) [12:22] it looks like we have a few packages in universe that aren't in debian [12:22] at least not in debian main [12:22] actually i was going to send out an email to the motu team today [12:23] given that there is UVF next week, perhaps we should put some effort into packaging the popular apps from gnomefiles.org [12:23] "next week"? [12:23] is that like, hard freeze, or MOM turned off [12:23] 7th july right? [12:24] buh [12:24] MOM turned off [12:24] we can still throw crack into universe if needed [12:25] i dont work in universe [12:25] so when is the cutoff for universe? [12:25] is uploading of c++ applications allowed already? [12:27] darn ive forgotten what MOM stands for again.... [12:27] google doesnt help much there :) [12:27] i need a bot to parse MOM and stand? for [12:28] Unfrgiven: release - 1 hour :) [12:28] I think that's about when it was cutoff for hoary [12:28] <\sh> Merge-O-Matic [12:29] \sh: thanks! === ajmitch should take a week off work before the release :) [12:41] now that im a motu, what do i need to do to get my address whitelisted? just email my gpg id to keyring@ubuntu? [12:42] yes [12:42] Unfrgiven, is it in the strong set? [12:42] i signed it [12:43] ah fair enoguh === Mez should be in the strong set soon hopefully [12:43] :) [12:43] wait [12:43] sorry [12:43] I'm tried [12:43] I'm in the strong set (ty to riddell) [12:43] but I'm confused as to what needs doing for the MOTU :D [12:43] Mez: a bunch of MOTUs & others signed it at UDU [12:44] so I'd say it's fairly good [12:44] oh fair enough [12:44] lol === Mez jsut ahd Riddell sign his (would have had others but was on short notice) === herzi [~herzi@c220056.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:45] so do i just paste the output of "gpg --list-keys ankur" in an email to keyring? thats it? do i get a confirmation? [12:46] Unfrgiven: sign the mail [12:49] tseng: k, done. now should i expect a reply? [12:49] Unfrgiven: possibly not [12:50] Unfrgiven: i got one === winkle [~winkle@lgh3814234.vittran.norrnod.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:50] and is the process automated? [12:51] nope === winkle [~winkle@lgh3814234.vittran.norrnod.se] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:52] fair enough. [12:53] ajmitch: did i tell you that im going to be in auckland next week? [12:53] no, you didn't [12:53] but I'm down in Dunedin [12:53] what are you visiting auckland for? [12:53] oh yeah thats right. student town :) [12:53] visitng my in-laws. [12:53] ah, fun [12:54] you might have mentioned that :) [12:58] ok. gn8 folks! [12:58] night siretart [12:58] siretart: nite mate === hawk_78 [~hawk@82.53.59.16] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === womble [~mpalmer@203-219-190-106.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:29] mv sistpoty /dev/bed [01:29] gn8 together ;) [01:29] night :) === sistpoty [~stefan@DSL01.212.114.231.202.NEFkom.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Gazer [~gazer@mail.aktiv-assekuranz.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [~mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] Hmm. === Mez goes and packages enemy territory as a deb === warthylog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | package for reviewing (NEW or updated)? go here: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ || Welcome Unfrgiven as new MOTU *rock* | BugDay !! June 29 2005 in #ubuntu-bugs join in, go squash ! === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by siretart at Wed Jun 29 00:11:32 2005 [06:21] ubuntulog: back again? === |QuaD- [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0623.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:15] morning [08:16] <\sh> morning :) [08:17] hi [08:17] <\sh> I'm rich I don't believe it [08:17] oh? [08:17] share your riches! ;) [08:18] <\sh> my salary just reached my account ;) === jsgotangco [~user@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:18] yay [08:18] hey jerome [08:18] :) [08:18] hey [08:19] OT: is there a Red Hat guy in the house [08:20] drbyte is in -devel, isn't he? [08:20] oh right [08:20] i'm setting up an oracle server here that only requires rh ad/es 2.1 -> 3.0 but its kinda strange on the setup [08:20] but if i boot ubuntu everything works fine [08:21] but you don't get oracle support on ubuntu yet :) [08:21] thats right === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0623.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:25] moin [08:49] <\sh> Unfrgiven: ping *g* === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0623.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:03] \sh: i fixed a package in universe, do I just upload it or it needs review? [09:03] it's simple change.. use gksudo instead of gksu [09:03] <\sh> ivoks: upload :) u have the right:) [09:04] all right! :) [09:05] fsck.. wrong destination :) [09:05] almost did upload to revu :) [09:07] ok, uploaded... [09:08] but i'm not sure it's there :) === fwiffo [~fwiffo@dhcpserver0.oersted.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:11] ivoks: are you sure you uploaded to tauware.de? I do not see anything in the UploadQueue [09:12] i didin't [09:12] almost [09:12] :) [09:12] ah. ic [09:12] this isn't a new package, it doesn't need review [09:12] so i uploaded directly to repository :) [09:13] ah. even better :) [09:13] or whatever it is at upload.ubuntu.com :) === Mez [~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:15] but i think my upload is droped :) [09:26] <\sh> ivoks: it doesn't matter what part of a country...at least there is good beer, coffee and piece :) [09:27] :) [09:27] ok then [09:28] \sh: my upload is droped [09:28] still can't upload :) [09:28] i guess i have to contact elmo :) [09:29] well, time to go now.. 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[02:47] how can i install ghc6 to my pbuilder env? === Mez [~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE00501836c657-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [~mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kiko [~kiko@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [~janc@dD5764B58.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:39] how does bindmount work with pbuilder? i have ghc installed in /usr/local and i need to have it in my pbuilder env to bootstrap ghc === mehrfachstecker [~aldomansk@p54AFC04A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [~janc@JanC.member.lugwv] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [Amaranth@AC86CAE6.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0623.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imightbegiant [~imightbeg@ilamp-in-417.TIS.CWRU.Edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dahane [~dahane@d132016.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [~bddebian@user216-178-65-218.netcarrier.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:26] Morning [04:28] Amaranth, can we have you in #ubuntu-bugs for a moment? === mgalvin [~mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [Amaranth@ACA606F3.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === leonel [~leonel@201.138.130.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:32] how can i get access to changing status of bugs in bugzilla? [05:36] uniq, ask in #ubuntu-bugs :) === Gazer [~gazer@mail.aktiv-assekuranz.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:37] thanks. === punkrockguy318 [~lukas@pcp02403054pcs.brdgtn01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === davro [~davro@cpc4-ches2-3-0-cust194.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ToddMA [~todd@c-24-147-26-49.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:39] ogra, hello [05:39] hey punkrockguy318 [05:40] i'd be interested in join the motu team. i'm an ameteur coder with a lot of time on my hands. especially this summer, heh [05:41] punkrockguy318, thats great :) [05:42] ogra, there are probably some things I need to learn before I can become very effective, but I am more than willing to learn [05:42] punkrockguy318, easiest is to start with some package for a transition (mass change) they are mostly easy to fix (adding removing a dependency) [05:42] ogra: i am having a hard time with ghc [05:42] punkrockguy318, yep, roughly knowing the debian new maintainers guider is a good start [05:42] ogra, yeah, i'll take a look at that [05:43] chrissturm, sorry for that... didnt \sh say he'll help as soon as e has time ? [05:43] ogra, and also, I haven't even upgraded to breezy yet. Should I install breezy on another partition? [05:43] punkrockguy318, look at the pbuilder howto [05:43] punkrockguy318, you dont need breezy, you can use a breezy pbuilder [05:44] punkrockguy318, the howto is on wiki.ubuntu.com [05:44] alright, i'll take a look at it [05:44] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto [05:44] thank you [05:44] make yourself familiar with debuild and pbuilder and you know the very basic tools... [05:45] additionally look at the NM guide and you know packaging... then grab a transition package and fix it ;) [05:45] ogra, can you tell me how bindmount works? [05:45] nm? [05:46] Debian New Maintainer guide [05:46] punkrockguy318, i heard doko has about 500 of such packages that are very easy to fix, probably he can mention one to you and you can learn by examining it [05:46] doko is the man with packages [05:46] ogra, i installed ghc to /usr/local from a binary, and i need it in the pbuilder chroot [05:46] bddebian, same for you we have a big bunch of packages that just need a dependency added :) [05:47] ogra, excellent! [05:47] very low hanging fruit === plugwash [plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:47] bddebian, thanks [05:47] ogra, great, i'll read this material and then I will talk to doko [05:47] ogra, does the motu have a mailing list? [05:48] punkrockguy318, we use ubuntu-devel [05:48] ogra, punkrockguy318: unfortunately we don't have a nice overview which packages exactly did fail. [05:48] doko, not yet [05:48] doko, i think 500 pgks are worth a list [05:49] ogra: I was actually trying to build fpc-2.0.0 last night [05:49] chrissturm, read up about hooks in pbuilder... [05:50] ogra: there's a wiki page listing all existing C++ bug reports for applications in universe ... [05:50] ogra: got an url? [05:50] chrissturm, nope [05:50] chrissturm, i can only point to google... [05:50] :( [05:51] ok, i think i found it in the pbuilder manual [05:51] ogra, doko: this is excellent! thank you all for your guidance in helping me help ;-) well, I will be back later, i'm going to go shower. i'll study this material and then I will get back to you doko. [05:52] punkrockguy318, youre welcome... if you got questions, just drop them in this channel, there is always someone to help around [05:52] punkrockguy318: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCxxTransition === davro [~davro@cpc4-ches2-3-0-cust194.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === Mizar [~Mizar@217.220.127.128] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke_ [~koke@adsl229-164.unizar.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu === l337 [~s2@host42-42.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:09] punkrockguy318: Notice how ogra ignores me though. :-) [06:10] bddebian, that's because you talk to people who don't exist [06:10] Hehe [06:12] kiko, to ehom do you talk ? :-P [06:13] whom [06:13] bddebian, is that from UniverseCandidates ? [06:14] ogra: Yeah [06:15] great [06:15] already familiar with revu ? [06:15] No [06:16] ANd it's a strange thing anyway. I was going to attempt CDBS but the guy already has all the Debian specific stuff in a folder [06:16] OMG, I can't believe I just said folder [06:16] s/folder/directory/ [06:16] folder, folder, bddebian said folder [06:16] Please kill me now! [06:17] Hello ivoks [06:19] bddebian: hi === ivoks kills bddebian [06:19] Thank you === ogra wonders if he heard "folder" === ivoks_ [~ivoks@lns01-0814.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:22] bddebian, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU [06:22] bddebian, if you got it ready, put it there for revirew [06:22] -r [06:24] ogra: I don't because of what I said above.. :-( When I tried to do a dpkg-buildpackage just using his current rules/control/etc, I get a permission denied because it tries to run dpkg-buildpackage in clean:: ?? [06:25] bddebian, you did build it from scratch ? [06:25] ogra: Define "from scratch" You mean ./configure && make from scratch? [06:26] bddebian, i mean dh_make [06:26] or any equivalent [06:26] ogra: No, because he already had all the Debian specific stuff there [06:27] which didnt work apparently ... === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mizar [~Mizar@217.220.127.128] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === TMM [~hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:36] ogra: Aye, but that's because of your goofy sudo stuff ;-) [06:36] ?? [06:37] ? [06:37] j/k [06:37] bddebian, never use root if orking with source packages... thats what fakeroot is for [06:37] and to build the binary, take pbuilder === punkrockguy318 [~lukas@pcp02403054pcs.brdgtn01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:38] I haven't set up pbuilder yet. :-( [06:38] ogra: hey, i'm looking at the pbuilder howto... are we builing a chroot for breezy or hoary? [06:38] i.e. fakroot dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa should build you a new source package (given the orig.tar.gz is around) [06:39] punkrockguy318, build it for hoary and then update to breezy [06:39] man pbuilder [06:39] ogra: oh, thanks! [06:46] ogra: debian/rules clean [06:46] /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage: line 175: debian/rules: Permission denied [06:46] bddebian, how did you unpack the source package ? [06:46] ogra: tar -xzf [06:46] bddebian, oh [06:47] so you got a native package... nasty [06:47] I get the same error with dpkg-buildpackage -us -tc [06:48] bddebian, sure, make rules executable... [06:48] but that isnt a good start, native packages are not nice [06:49] Well like I said I wanted to take his rules and configure files and CDBSize them but I don't know CDBS very well [06:50] <\sh> don't use cdbs then [06:50] <\sh> u should learn the basics [06:51] Hmm, new error "bad interpreter" [06:51] bddebian, you shouldnt use cdbs in the beginning, start with debhelper, if you feel safe with that, look at cdbs [06:54] Do I pretty much have to do it in a pbuilder environment? [06:55] <\sh> u should use it...it has only advantages === lamont [~lamont@15.238.5.143] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chuck [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:06] why must authentication be disabled to you pbuilder? [07:06] it doesnt [07:06] you can alternatively install gpg in the chroot [07:07] oh [07:07] alright [07:07] with sudo pbuilder login --keep-after-login or something like that [07:07] see the manpage [07:07] maybe we should put gpg in the pbuilder set of essential packages on bootstrap [07:08] yeah [07:08] <\sh> tseng: not advised, just because when u build more then one package, and one of them is depending on the other, and u use to test your own repos [07:09] <\sh> for testing purposes is unauthenticated ok.. === mfgalizi [~mfgalizi@CPE000f66e3da54-CM000f9f7770aa.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax7-112.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian builds his pbuilder [07:14] So, who do I have to bribe to get a package reviewed? [07:14] How would you go about building a package without pbuilder? [07:15] Apparently you don't :-) [07:15] lol [07:15] oh, dpkg-buildpackage === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0814.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:16] or "debian/rules binary" or "debuild" [07:16] punkrockguy318: Are you building a native package or re-doing a Debian/Ubuntu package? [07:16] I listed a package on MOTUNewPackages and UniverseCandidates about a week ago; should I just be patient? [07:17] bddebian: neither, I was just wondering how pbuilder built the packages [07:17] jamessan|work: what package contains debuild? I only have debuild-pbuilder installed on my system [07:17] punkrockguy318: Oh [07:17] mfgalizi: Which package? [07:18] punkrockguy318: devscripts [07:19] jamessan|work: what's the difference between dpkg-buildpackage, debian/rules binary, and debuild? [07:19] bddebian, libxvmcw === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:20] mfgalizi: Ah === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:27] punkrockguy318: debuild is a wrapper that calls dpkg-buildpackage, lintian, debsign === mitsuhiko [~mitsuhiko@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:29] pdebuild :) [07:29] jamessan|work: what's the difference between dpkg-buildpackage and debian/rules binary [07:30] punkrockguy318: you can do dpkg-buildpackage -S to sign, etc [07:30] its flexible [07:30] read the man [07:30] punkrockguy318: Each method of building does things just a little differently [07:30] alright, thank you [07:31] you all are very helpful, btw [07:31] Should I be worried about this error: -> installing dummy policy-rc.d [07:31] /usr/bin/apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [07:31] <\sh> hmmm...bugday one == motu recruiting day? [07:32] <\sh> bddebian: build first a hoary pbuilder and update then to breezy [07:32] heh [07:32] Bah, why? [07:32] :-( [07:32] <\sh> bddebian: do u want an answer?? ,-) I will give u a "why not?" ;) [07:32] No I have to whack my breezy pbuilder? [07:32] me? [07:33] s/No/Now [07:33] <\sh> bddebian: well, yes [07:33] fsck [07:34] hi folks [07:34] Heya siretart === \sh 's not there today [07:35] <\sh> too tired, eyes are hurting, and made too many mistakes today :( [07:35] \sh: So what's the best way to trash my pbuilder to start over? [07:36] bddebian: recreate your base.tar.gz [07:36] pbuilder create ... [07:36] <\sh> update pbuilderrc [07:36] <\sh> replace in /etc/pbuilderrc/apt.conf/sources.list "breezy" in hoary [07:36] <\sh> and udpate [07:36] <\sh> wit --override-config [07:37] <\sh> or delete base-tar.gz [07:37] <\sh> and create a new one [07:37] <\sh> i do it every third day [07:38] Where is base.tar.gz stored? [07:38] create a new one? why? [07:39] bddebian: by default, in /var/lib/default, but you can customize it in the config file [07:40] bye all [07:40] Later ivoks [07:40] Thanks siretart [07:41] elmo: ping [07:43] \sh: ping :) [07:43] <\sh> pong [07:44] \sh: could you remind elmo, when it comes back, to whitelist my address? [07:44] <\sh> yepp [07:44] thanx, see you [07:45] <\sh> cu ivoks :) === chuck_ [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:06] <\sh> hmmm [08:06] <\sh> looks like tomorrow is a new pykde time [08:14] tseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeng [08:14] why the hell is beagle reindexing my ~/CA every second? [08:15] apparently, it changes something in the directory which updates the ctime which means it notices, then reindexes ad infinitum [08:23] Mithrandir: yes [08:23] Mithrandir: stop touching the file [08:24] I'm not touching the file [08:24] it's a directory === mfgalizi [~mfgalizi@CPE000f66e3da54-CM000f9f7770aa.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [08:24] it does that on xsession-errors too [08:24] i wonder if there is a way yet to exclude a directoy [08:24] directory [08:31] well, there's nothing but beagle touching that directory.. === herve_ [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:31] hello === herve_ is now known as herve [08:41] Heya herve [08:45] <\sh> guys, g'night ... need to sleep completly exhausted [08:45] Gnight \sh [08:45] herve, happy bugday [08:46] gn8 \sh_away [08:49] ogra, fly squash party? === BlackHussar [~chatzilla@216.52.210.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:52] herve, see topic :) [08:53] ok, that was you ultra secret flyflap party :-) [08:53] oops! I told the word :-) === Danten [~danten@h117n7c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed [~daniel@i528C3298.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:06] by the way [09:06] do we have a automatic maintained list of universe packages diverging from debian [09:06] to know when to merge [09:07] herve: if it has ubuntu in the name its diverging [09:07] I mean, like the automatic bugs in bugzilla: "new version from Debian requires merging" [09:07] chrissturm, ubuntu + newer version in debian [09:07] Kamion once made a list, but thats outdated (i think it was for hoary) [09:08] oops, right [09:08] OK, so I rebuilt my pbuilder for hoary. Now I just update to breezy? [09:08] yep [09:08] elmo makes you a list if you ask him nicely. Or he might have one which is cronned now [09:11] I'll see after the cxx transition [09:11] I hope I'll get spare time and peace of mind by the time [09:12] including resynchronising with debian's own cxx transition === lesliev [~lesliev@ndn-165-153-58.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:14] yoyoyo! === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-184-135-68.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thesaltydog [~fabio@host57-45.pool62211.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:31] hi lesliev :) [09:31] lesliev: congrats to your first upload to revu :) [09:35] Should I not change pbuilderrc to breezy? [09:35] bddebian: you should definitly, because all uploads will be build against breezy [09:36] siretart: OK, I did, but I wasn't sure if it is correct :-) [09:36] Thx [09:37] siretart: thanks ;-) [09:37] needs lots of work though! [09:38] lesliev: in german we say "every beginning is hard". [09:38] don't know if thats also applicable in english [09:40] can anyone check on revu? I tweaked a bit the colors of the stylesheet [09:40] RED meens the package is NEW and needs 3 advocates for inclusion to ubuntu [09:41] cyan means 1 advocate suffices, white means that this version is probably already in the archive [09:44] It's applicable in any language! I'll keep at it. Soon I'll be able to help more. [09:44] REVU looks good, although the colours are a little intense [09:44] Just from a graphical point of view :-) [09:45] lesliev: I guessed that. the problem is that I'm absolutly untalented with colors ;) [09:45] if someone could tell me better colors, I'll adapt the stylesheet immediatly [09:45] I'm looking at my package directories with Meld. Meld is great! [09:45] html compatible color codes please ;) [09:45] meld? whats that? [09:46] I suggest blues: 7684db [09:47] and 76c6db [09:47] Try those [09:47] what color for what? [09:47] what for NEW what for 'normal'? [09:47] The brighter one for the current cyan [09:47] ie. the second one [09:48] anybody knows why i'm not able to send my gpg to launchpad ? [09:48] Meld is the best diff viewer I have seen, and it can diff directories too [09:48] Very graphical [09:49] hmm, a little better [09:49] (revu I mean) [09:49] jepp [09:49] but I'm not sure that suits with the white and brown tone from the ubuntu theme... hmm [09:50] yeah === nick_ [~ups@203.200.160.52] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:50] It you want to stick with earth tones you can try reds... [09:51] lets see [09:52] Possible: c67f69 and ba5b3e for the darker? [09:54] better, but still too intense, I think.. [09:54] OK, I'm a little confused on the pbuilder thing. Do I actually want to build in pbuilder or just test the deb once it's built? [09:56] bddebian: if it is a rather small packager or if you are confident that it will build you can use pdebuild as debuild replacement for building in pbuilder [09:57] bddebian: in general I use it rather to test package. for doing more advanced packaging, I have a chroot [09:57] Sheesh.. :-( [10:00] lesliev: what do you think now? === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-54-44.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:03] hi [10:04] hi seb128 [10:04] anybody of you has mailed the guy who has packaged anjuta2 ? [10:04] look nicer! [10:05] Still don't like the red so much.... maybe a darker brown? ba8546? [10:06] I was afraid to go all browns because it can be confused with the rest of the page [10:06] people might not notice that there's a scheme === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:16] lesliev: thats better [10:16] perhaps a bit lighter? hm.. [10:20] Now there are three colours! [10:20] the dark looks ok to me === ToddMA [~todd@c-24-147-26-49.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:22] maybe this for the lighter colour: de9e4e [10:26] lesliev: you are sure about the dark brown? [10:36] hehe, maybe it's too dark. but try the light colour too and see how it looks. [10:56] eyuck! greeny brown! :-)) [10:56] good night [10:57] lesliev: this one is good? [10:59] ok. Maybe *slightly* lighter. But put in the light colour too (unless you want to keep that grey?) [11:00] hm. I think the grey is ok. perhaps I could get the brown a bit lighter.. [11:00] Talk about taking a long time just to choose some colours! We really are not great artists. [11:01] I don't like the grey at all. [11:01] hm. it the same grey as in the right coloums.. [11:01] it is [11:07] Try a lighter brown instead, just to see. A slightly lighter version of the dark brown. And make the dark brown slightly lighter too. [11:07] and see how it looks. === ups [~ups@203.200.160.53] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [~ogra@p5089F057.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:12] lesliev: like this? === Mez [~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:13] I think that's pretty good. [11:13] :) [11:14] ok, then I'll check this version in (to svn) [11:14] siretart, the brown text on brown is terrible for looking at for a long time [11:14] ok! You should check out Meld sometime, btw. - you'll see why I like it. [11:15] hehe! hey, our brown is nice! [11:15] ah well, I am off to play arimaa. Seey'all [11:15] Burgundavia: hm. can you help me with the stylesheet then? I'm really a noob when it comes to colors :( [11:16] siretart, I assume we are talking about the live site at http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ ? [11:16] it's not really brown any more, it's green ;-) [11:16] yes, we are [11:16] ok [11:16] just a general usablity stuff [11:16] why are ontv and smeg a different colour? [11:16] good luck [11:17] ah, I think I found out [11:17] Burgundavia: I added some explanation above. [11:17] you also set up this great alternating colour thing [11:17] but then you blow it by having the actual packages not follow the scheme [11:17] why not have the entire row the alternating colours? [11:18] if you need to indicate status, an icon or text can do that [11:18] hm. I assumed that more text would let the table explode on smaller displays, but icons would be an alternative, indeed. [11:19] actions can become a smaller column if you use standard icons for it [11:19] or standard short text [11:20] hm. perhaps you're right [11:21] Burgundavia: do you have any icons I could use for that? [11:21] hmm [11:21] what actions do need? [11:21] I would need icons for NEW, 'normal' and updated packages, and for the actions 'archive this' 'unarchive this' and 'nuke this' [11:22] what is normal? [11:22] I've been thinking about the action 'join this with another upload', but thats not decided yet [11:23] the "join this with another upload", that is for packages that depend on each other? [11:23] normal is an upload, which updates the version in the archive. this kind of uploads usually only need a sponsor agreeing [11:23] so normal is when the packages is already in the archive? [11:24] Burgundavia: I'm really not sure how this can be implemented. there should be some feature to join or merge or update uploads. perhaps a better place would be in the details page anyway [11:24] Burgundavia: exactly [11:24] NEW means neither in ubuntu nor in debian [11:25] what the difference between normal and updated? [11:27] updated means that a newer version has been uploaded to ubuntu, perhaps by the uploader himself, perhaps by the reviewer or by someone else [11:28] hmm [11:28] I am still confused at the third status [11:28] I understand New and Updated [11:28] bear with me for sec [11:29] I think you need several statuses === sistpoty [~stefan@DSL01.212.114.239.158.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:29] hi all [11:29] the first status tells you about whether the package is New or Updated [11:29] the 2nd status tells you what the action taken on the package [11:29] is that correct? [11:30] huhu sistpoty [11:30] hi siretart === imightbegiant [~imightbeg@ilamp-in-417.TIS.CWRU.Edu] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [11:32] that being said [11:32] I would resign the front page in the following way [11:32] I hope you mean "redesign"? [11:32] Mithrandir, yes [11:32] heh [11:33] hi [11:33] split up the new and updated packages into seperate tables [11:33] salut tseng, ogra Mithrandir [11:33] hi Burgundavia, good night everybody. [11:34] night Mithrandir [11:34] gn8 Mithrandir [11:34] hth did i get on bug 243 on malone [11:34] rename the upload column to package [11:34] or do i get all bugs now? [11:34] tseng, didnt you know ? [11:34] Burgundavia: thats an good idea: first all NEW ones, then all 'normal' ones.. it requeires some redesign of the template, but I like that idea [11:34] ogra: know what? [11:34] ogra: all bugs -> brandon? [11:35] sure [11:35] its about some package called pinfo [11:35] never heard of it === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0814.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:35] youre our new bugfilter :) [11:35] very confused [11:35] hi all [11:35] advocates is more important than comments [11:35] most of the big motu names are on it [11:35] no, honestly, no idea how you got that bug :) === ivoks has blog: http://ivoks.blog.hr [11:35] Reply-To: Malone Bugtracker <243@bugs.launchpad.ubuntu.com> [11:35] ToddMA: dilys@muse.19inch.net, ajmitch@ihug.co.nz, brandon@smarterits.com, hcauwelier@oursours.net, hostmaster@grawert.net, jriddell@ubuntu.com, koke@amedias.org, martijn@foodfight.org, niall@evil.ie [11:35] bold the number of advocates, and leave the comments unbold, the make it easy to see the difference [11:36] siretart, normal should be renamed updated [11:37] tseng: I'm using pinfo regulary. I like it [11:37] i dont read info [11:37] man > * [11:37] i used to read manpages in vim [11:37] but the script i had truncates them :( [11:38] back to less [11:39] siretart, for icons for new and updated, what about a an arrow pointing up for new and an arrow in a circle for updated? [11:39] tseng, haha [11:39] ogra: i uesd to be so 1337 before we met [11:39] tseng, that was our demo bug in the first IRC meeting with bradb [11:39] hehe [11:40] siretart, I would place the icons in two places, next to the table heading on the main page, and on the page of the package, in the upper right hand corner [11:40] ogra: i had no gnome, 6 terminals up on one screen [11:40] ogra: everything in shell, because that was cool [11:40] im reformed now [11:40] pheew.... [11:41] oh nice [11:41] tseng, didn't you used to be a gentoo user? [11:41] serpentine actually works now [11:41] Burgundavia: i used to lead all sorts of gentoo stuff [11:41] siretart, I will be back in about 1/2 hour if you have any questions. BTW, REVU is awesome shit [11:41] Burgundavia: I'm glad you like it :) [11:42] tseng, serpentine works ? cool :) [11:42] Burgundavia: but i got pretty tired of the lame CFLAGS users and poor QA [11:42] ogra: yep [11:43] ogra: always crashed before [11:43] yes, you had to disable the burn stuff in g-v-m to make it work [11:43] oh [11:43] well i couldnt even start it [11:43] regardless of gvm [11:44] oh [11:44] its pretty simple though [11:44] does it use gstreamer? [11:48] yep [11:48] and libnautilus-burn [11:49] as I don't have upload rights yet, i uploaded bugfixed package to revu [11:49] just upload it, small fix - use gksudo instead of gksu === Arrogance [~aks@CPE00112f96b894-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:52] ivoks: I've seen it with pleasure :) [11:52] bwar i want my planet gnome [11:53] :) [11:53] i should write more ajax [11:53] siretart: revu is great stuff [11:53] i am like a little school girl over it [11:53] revu + ajax [11:53] ajax? [11:53] client + serverside javascript magic [11:54] as seen in google maps, etc [11:54] ah [11:54] like refilling a page with dynamic data without reloading [11:54] so my search app can find as you type [11:54] ajax [11:54] sort as you click [11:54] great stuff [11:54] its freaking candy [11:54] totally [11:54] i cant stop [11:54] like a C app [11:54] im an ajax monster [11:55] i saw a demo on ./ [11:55] feed me crack [11:55] like comments on article [11:55] any example page availabe? [11:55] yes [11:55] you type it in and hit ok, it doesn't reload [11:55] it just appears! [11:55] siretart: http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en [11:55] siretart: MAGIC [11:56] type ubuntu [11:56] ? [11:56] ? [11:56] ah, yes! great [11:56] now my search page [11:57] actualyl gives you the full result set as you type like that [11:57] since its pretty small groups [11:57] url url :) [11:57] you cant [11:57] its behind many firewalls [11:57] eh :( [11:57] damn firewalls :) [11:57] i work at a financial company [11:57] https://bob.kdz13.net/ [11:57] this is my friends POC [11:58] tseng: ah, THATS ajax. I see.. [11:58] great stuff [11:58] siretart: what happens is [11:58] the frontend page has an empty div [11:58] with id=result [11:59] and there are javascript functions that go onkeyup [11:59] that query the backend page with a GET [11:59] and that page returns say an html table [11:59] that gets written into the div [11:59] no reloading [12:00] so my application does stuff with rrdtool [12:00] i want to apply a slider, for the time period [12:00] and do a live update of the graph image [12:00] i alreayd make the image dynamically.. it will just be inline [12:01] wow. thats impressing [12:01] sorry... i get really excited about this :P