[12:18] <jbailey> lamont__: What are you rambling about?
[12:19] <lamont__> jbailey: doing the hppa archive-event
[12:19] <lamont__> hence rebootstrapping gcc-*
[12:19] <jbailey> Has the fix for hppa-hpux gone into 4.0.1 now?
[12:20] <lamont__> dunno
[12:20] <lamont__> this is g{cc,++}-3.4
[12:20] <jbailey> Yeah, but for the rest of the archive, it would probably make sense to wait for that.
[12:20] <lamont__> that is, gcc-defaults points to 3.4 on hppa now. (1.24)
[12:21] <jbailey> Err, just because of the function pointer bit?
[12:21] <lamont__> yes
[12:21] <jbailey> Or is this to get past the everything-sucks-on-4.0 stage?
[12:21] <lamont__> just because pinters are completely b0rked
[12:21] <lamont__> pointers, even
[12:21] <lamont__> the everything-sucks thing is just a perk
[12:22] <lamont__> the pointer bug in 4.0 renders every .deb suspect
[12:22] <jbailey> In another day or two that bug will be fixed on 4.0
[12:23] <jbailey> http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2005-06/msg01192.html
[12:23] <lamont__> well then I'd better hurry and get through the sucky stage.. :)
[12:24] <jbailey> Yup. =)
[12:24] <lamont__> or at least put the gcc-default binaries on hold. :-)
[12:25] <jbailey> That would probably be better. =)
[12:25] <lamont__> lol
[12:26] <lamont__> binutils built.  now for glibc
[12:27] <jbailey> lamont__: Have comendered(sp?) a nice 8-way PA system? =)
[12:27] <lamont__> _2_ hours.  sigh
[12:27] <lamont__> I have an A500 that I'll be commandeering tomorrow
[12:27] <lamont__> (likewise, sp??)
[12:28] <lamont__> 2-way, 8GB RAM
[12:28] <jbailey> You seem to have it right.
[12:28] <lamont__> sadly, the buildd's run UP kernels, since they work better...
[12:28] <jbailey> I thought recent PA kernels were supposed to behave better.
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[12:31] <lamont__> jbailey: they're much better, but.. :-(
[12:31] <jbailey> Is there risk of memory corruption leading to wrong-code generation, or just hangs and crashes?
[12:37] <lamont__> it tends to generate random segv's, from what I've seen
[12:38] <lamont__> but only under semi-heavy memory-pressure
[12:38] <lamont__> does -1ubuntu7 (glibc) have hppa tests disabled?
[12:39] <jbailey> lamont__: Looks like, yes.
[12:39] <jbailey> I haven't done an -1u8 yet since we asked me to reenable it.
[12:39] <lamont__> kewl... will build faster. :-)
[12:40] <lamont__> Total 2 package(s) in state Building.
[12:40] <lamont__> Total 5 package(s) in state Installed.
[12:40] <lamont__> Total 6091 package(s) in state Needs-Build.
[12:40] <lamont__> :-(
[12:46] <doko> lamont__, no need for doxygen if you build with -b -B
[12:47] <lamont__> doko: ah, coolness.
[12:47] <lamont__> but it builds fast. :-)
[12:47] <lamont__> s/builds/built/
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[01:20] <lamont__> doko: with g++-3.4, nothing should need libstdc++5 any more, correct?
[01:22] <doko> lamont__: correct
[01:24] <lamont__> ok.  I'll just make it hard to upload anything that Depends: libstdc++5 :-)
[01:27] <doko> well, the stuff that needs libstdc++5, doesn't build on hppa. like OOo1
[01:31] <lamont__> hehe
[01:32] <lamont__> and let us not forget gcc-3.3 :-)
[01:32] <lamont__> basically, I'll just make the automated uploader bounce anything that mentions libstdc++5, and then manually figure out what it really means
[01:32] <lamont__> some of that can get uploaded, the bulk just needs to be built in the right order
[01:33] <doko> with the last batch of uploads I dropped the libstdc++5 rdepends from 880 to 530. at least on i386.
[01:34] <lamont__> nice
[01:34] <lamont__> this is more just me trying to make sure that I'm not accidentally building out-of-order.
[01:36] <lamont__> glibc is in install target.  coolness
[01:38] <lamont__> and then comes 24 hours to build all 3 versions of gcc :(
[01:39] <lamont__> doko: what's the minimum set of gcc-* to build?  3.4 and 4.0?  (do I really need the current gcc-3.3, or can I let the one from hoary [3.3.5-8ubuntu2]  get used?)
[01:41] <doko> lamont__: the one from hoary should be ok, although I don't plan any further gcc-3.3 uploads now. 3.3 is currently synced from Debian and I don't plan to update that one for a while. the next 3.3 uploads will just drop support for languages like java, treelang, objc, 
[01:42] <lamont__> ok.
[01:43] <lamont__> I'll let gcc-3.3 eventually catch up, then
[01:55] <lamont__> X.o.r.g..................................
[01:57] <doko> I'm innocent :-)
[01:57] <lamont__> you build-depend on it.  That's enough. :-(
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[02:00] <doko> lamont__, for a bootstrap, you can disable java and ignore all the X b-d's
[02:01] <lamont__> pb is that I want to actually build the real source.
[02:03] <lamont__> after all, I have hoary/main
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[02:24] <lamont__> with luck, it'll even build
[02:38] <lamont__> doko: would be nice if you hollered before uploading gcc-* this week - I'd like to let these builds finish and upload before I have to start new ones.
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[06:13] <fabbione> morning
[06:21] <lamont> Total 6 package(s) in state Installed.
[06:21] <lamont> Total 6091 package(s) in state Needs-Build.
[06:21] <lamont> fabbione: I think sparc is ahead. :-(
[06:21] <fabbione> lamont: doh!
[06:21] <fabbione> i guess you are restarting with gcc-3.4?
[06:22] <lamont> yeah
[06:22] <fabbione> well actually sparc has a bigger problem
[06:22] <lamont> saddest part of it is that 33% of that 6 packages Depend: libstdc++5
[06:22] <fabbione> breezy libc6 is triggering a bug in gcc
[06:22] <fabbione> and the kernel miscompile
[06:23] <lamont> (dpkg and doxygen) - I'll need to rebuild them eventually, but there's a new dpkg in debian (albeit FTBFS)
[06:23] <lamont> ew.  poor sparc
[06:23] <fabbione> so sparc has 3/4 of the archive.. but no kernel :)
[06:23] <lamont> hppa has almost .1% of the archive. :-)
[06:23] <fabbione> how are you going to cope with the g++ transition?
[06:23] <lamont> g++-3.4 is libstdc++6
[06:23] <fabbione> will you do it later? or are you swutching only gcc- ?
[06:23] <lamont> so I get the transition
[06:24] <fabbione> ah ok
[06:24] <lamont> the later switch from 3.4 to 4.0 is not an abi event
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[06:24] <fabbione> yeah that's right
[06:24] <lamont> but must get to bed
[06:24] <fabbione> ehhe
[06:24] <lamont> with luck, I'll have 3.4 and 4.0 by morning, and can semi-unleash the beast.
[06:25] <fabbione> it sounds like i am the "GO TO BED" alarm clock in here ;)
[06:25] <lamont> yeah - that's the one... :-)
[06:25] <fabbione> ahah
[06:25] <fabbione> good night lamont
[06:25] <lamont> the other thing I'd like to get is a list of all the packages that I need to build before I can build xorg, so that I can queue those up
[06:26] <fabbione> i think it will just go DepWait now
[06:26] <fabbione> so it shouldn't be too difficult
[06:26] <fabbione> but take into account daniels is going to upload/if he didn't already
[06:26] <fabbione> some extra crack soon
[06:26] <fabbione> (i can't check.. my server crashed and secondary MX flushing)
[06:31] <lamont> fabbione: no, the issue is that things Conflict with older packages from xorg, so it's an ugly failure, not a pretty auto-depwaited thing
[06:31] <fabbione> oh
[06:31] <fabbione> crap
[06:33] <lamont> fabbione: but I got the list from daniels, so life is better.
[06:33] <fabbione> ehhe
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[10:54] <elmo>  * glibc_2.3.5-1ubuntu7 builds:
[10:54] <elmo> [...] 
[10:54] <elmo>       but no longer builds:
[10:54] <elmo>         o 2.3.5-1ubuntu4: libc6-sparcv9
[10:54] <elmo> fabbione: deliberate?
[10:54] <fabbione> elmo: yeps
[10:55] <fabbione> we are killing sparc32 support
[10:55] <fabbione> sparc32 is going the same way as m68k
[10:55] <fabbione> doorstep use basically
[10:56] <fabbione> elmo: did you have any time to setup logs@ ?
[10:57] <elmo> meh, no, let me try and do that now
[10:57] <fabbione> elmo: ok :)
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[11:55] <doko_> lamont-away: gcc-3.4_3.4.4-3ubuntu1 will FTBFS on hppa.
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[01:34] <jbailey> Oy, Fabio. =)
[01:36] <fabbione> hey jbailey 
[01:36] <jbailey> Do I owe you anything still, or should I dive back into my task list.
[01:36] <jbailey> ?
[01:37] <fabbione> jbailey: a fix for glibc so i can compile the kernel? ;)
[01:37] <fabbione> i was told that also gentoo is hitting the same problem as we do
[01:37] <Mithrandir> jbailey: did you get your fix tested yesterday?
[01:37] <fabbione> nah go ahead with your list :)
[01:37] <fabbione> there is nothing in my list for you today :P
[01:38] <jbailey> Mithrandir: I didn't - there was some cool things in parliament yesterday and so I spent my evening glued to news sites rather than working.
[01:38] <jbailey> (And a chunk of the day...)
[01:38] <fabbione> anyway i am off for the next hour/today
[01:38] <fabbione> i had enough 
[01:38] <fabbione> catch you later guys
[01:38] <jbailey> g'n Fabio.
[01:39] <Mithrandir> this vax is sloooooooooow
[01:39] <Mithrandir> jbailey: ok, tell me if you want me to power up my box.
[01:40] <jbailey> Mithrandir: In about 30 minutes okay?
[01:40] <jbailey> +Is
[01:40] <Mithrandir> jbailey: sure, I just have to extend my hand to press the power button. :-)
[01:40] <Mithrandir> it's booting now
[01:41] <jbailey> Thanks.
[01:48] <doko> jbailey: did you have a chance for the ecj-bootstrap upload?
[01:53] <jbailey> doko: No, wasabi's box crashed before I fetched it, and he said that he had an ecj.1 for me in his other package.
[01:53] <jbailey> Also, the ant he had posted was corrupted.
[01:54] <jbailey> java-common was fine, though, so I did upload that.
[01:54] <jbailey> I pinged him in #ubuntu-java a few minutes ago, I'm hoping to get this all done while he's still at home and has access to the box.
[02:16] <doko> ok, fine
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[04:24] <lamont-away> ../../src/gcc/cppdefault.c:75: error: `LOCAL_INCLUDE_DIR' undeclared here (not in a function)
[04:24] <lamont-away> WTH?
[04:24] <lamont>  -DLOCAL_INCLUDE_DIR=\"/usr/local/include\"
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[04:26] <jbailey> lamont: Run it through with gcc -E -dD into a file, and I can take a look for you.
[04:27] <lamont> gcc/hppa64-linux-gnu/3.4.5/../../../..`echo /usr | sed -e 's|^/usr||' -e 's|/[^/] *|/..|g'`/include/c++/3.4.5\" -DGPLUSPLUS_TOOL_INCLUDE_DIR=\"/usr/lib/gcc/hppa64-linux-gnu/3.4.5/../../../..`echo /usr | sed -e 's|^/usr||' -e 's|/[^/] *|/..|g'`/include/c++/3.4.5/hppa64-linux-gnu\" -DGPLUSPLUS_BACKWARD_INCLUDE_DIR=\"/usr/lib/gcc/hppa64-linux-gnu/3.4.5/../../../..`echo /usr | sed -e 's|^/usr||' -e 's|/[^/] *|/..|g'`/include/c++/3.4.5/backward\" -DLOC
[04:27] <lamont> AL_INCLUDE_DIR=\"/usr/local/include\" -DCROSS_INCLUDE_DIR=\"/usr/lib/gcc/hppa64-linux-gnu/3.4.5/../../../../hppa64-linux-gnu/sys-include\" -DTOOL_INCLUDE_DIR=\"/usr/lib/gcc/hppa64-linux-gnu/3.4.5/../../../../hppa64-linux-gnu/include\" -DTARGET_MACHINE=\"hppa64-linux-gnu\"  \
[04:27] <lamont>   -c ../../src/gcc/cppdefault.c -o cppdefault.o
[04:27] <lamont> ../../src/gcc/cppdefault.c:75: error: `LOCAL_INCLUDE_DIR' undeclared here (not in a function)
[04:28] <lamont> build directory is purged - I'll rebuild it once gcc-4.0 finishes dying
[04:28] <jbailey> If you have to rebuild anyway, can you do it on j5k?
[04:29] <jbailey> That way I can poke into your build env.
[04:29] <lamont> yeah - but then I have to create said build environment
[04:29] <lamont> or do you already have a hoary chroot there?
[04:31] <jbailey> I had a breezy one I think.
[04:32] <jbailey> I suspect for this build, though, it wouldn't make that big of a different.  Dunno for sure.
[04:35] <lamont> given that we tossed the entire breezy hppa world.....
[04:35] <lamont> may just be easier to create access for you on this machine...  wanna email me an ssh key?
[04:35] <fabbione> hey lamont 
[04:39] <lamont> morning fabbione 
[04:40] <lamont> ah, libcairo.  sigh
[05:04] <doko> <doko> lamont-away: gcc-3.4_3.4.4-3ubuntu1 will FTBFS on hppa.
[05:05] <doko> lamont: ^^^
[05:05] <lamont> doko: GAH!
[05:05] <lamont> I need a buildable gcc-3.4....
[05:05] <elmo> doko: dude, I think you need to add some conflicts to gcc
[05:06] <elmo> almost all my buildds got fucked by partial upgrades of gcc and not g++
[05:07] <doko> lamont: chinstrap:~doko/multiarch-include.dpatch
[05:07] <doko> elmo: how does it fail?
[05:07] <elmo> doko: c++ compiler can not create excutable, or massive include file fuckage
[05:08] <elmo> see e.g. the apt build log for ssparc
[05:08] <doko> where can I get the log?
[05:08] <doko> ahh, Debian?
[05:08] <elmo> yes, sorry, wildly and abusively OT
[05:09] <doko> hmm, buildd only has a log of a sucessful build
[05:10] <elmo> blink?
[05:10] <doko> 0.6.38 (sparc) (latest build at Jun 29 05:45: maybe-successful)
[05:11] <elmo> http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?&pkg=apt&ver=0.6.38&arch=sparc&file=log
[05:11] <elmo> follow the link of version num
[05:11] <elmo> http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.php?&pkg=apt&ver=0.6.38&arch=sparc&stamp=1119821334&file=log&as=raw
[05:15] <doko> ahh, yes, that's the changed internal gcc_lib_dir (/usr/lib/gcc-lib/...)
[05:16] <doko> so, basically, I would have to add conflicts in cpp-3.3 to all previous versions of gcc-3.3, gobjc-3.3, g77-3.3, g++-3.3, gnat-3.3, treelang-3,3, gpc-3.3
[05:17] <doko> interesting.
[05:17] <elmo> or Breaks: if we had that
[05:19] <doko> hmm, I did promise lamont not to upload gcc-3.3 again ;-)
[05:20] <elmo> oh, don't do it again in a hurry, or I suspect ryan will fly over to kick your ass
[05:20] <elmo> but I think we should fix it at some point
[05:20] <elmo> most buildds are or will be fixed anyway
[05:32] <lamont> doko: feel free to upload 3.3
[05:33] <elmo> feel free not to
[05:34] <elmo> :P
[05:34] <lamont> hehe
[05:34] <lamont> doko: if the 3.4 build works for me on hppa, should I upload the source?
[05:40] <doko> lamont: no, elmo surely wants the dont-break-the-stupid-buildd patch there as well ;)
[05:40] <lamont> yeah
[05:41] <lamont> doko: I just need to drop that into debian/patches?  or add it's name to something as well
[05:41] <lamont> ?
[05:42] <doko> just drop it in, it's a corrected patch.
[05:42] <lamont> replaces the one there... got it.
[05:44] <lamont> doko: so there will be a -3ubuntu2 or such sometime soonish?
[05:46] <doko> lamont: yes
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[08:32] <doko> lamont: tell me, where I can get this information (besides scanning the build logs) ...
[08:35] <lamont> archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/a/ardour/
[08:35] <lamont> :-)
[08:35] <lamont> OTOH, -1build1 is far better than -1ubuntu1 :-)
[08:43] <doko> lamont: when do you want a gcc-3.4 -3ubuntu2 upload? 
[08:44] <lamont> anytime is fine
[08:44] <lamont> I
[08:44] <lamont> I'll let -3ubuntu1hppa1 finish building, and use that locally to let things run.
[08:45] <doko> ok, finishing a test build here.
[08:45] <lamont> given hppa's gcc-defaults.... do I need to build gcc-4.0 before I open the floodgates?  (No hppa debs from gcc-4.0 in my archive)
[08:46] <lamont> hrm... actually, gcc-4.0 uses gcc-3.4 to build, correct?
[08:46] <doko> no, do you have an libgcc2 and libstdc++6?
[08:46] <lamont> no libgcc2
[08:47] <doko> you need that one. it's built from the gcc-4.0 sources ...
[08:47] <lamont> libstdc++6_4.0.0-8ubuntu3_hppa.deb
[08:47] <lamont> that work for you?
[08:47] <doko> yes, I think so.
[08:57] <lamont> I'll run with that then