[12:00] <korCZiz> apt-get install aim ??? ;)
[12:00] <cleit0n> [chii] : how i installl modem intel 537ep in kubuntu?
[12:00] <bystander> twb_: you might read this too
[12:00] <bystander> !repositories
[12:00] <ubotu> I heard repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:00] <korCZiz> what is kubuntu?
[12:00] <korCZiz> how differences are between ubuntu a kubuntu?
[12:00] <stazz> korCZiz: kubuntu is a stupid word invented to confuse people
[12:01] <korCZiz> stazz: kubuntu==ubuntu?
[12:01] <stazz> korCZiz: yes.
[12:01] <jvl> korCZiz: essentially its ubuntu using kde
[12:01] <bystander> korCZiz: it's ubuntu with KDE
[12:01] <stazz> korCZiz: kubuntu is ubuntu with a kde desktop
[12:01] <korCZiz> so if i have installed kde 3.4 so i have not ubuntu but kubuntu now?
[12:02] <aurax> can anyone help me out, i have to release a port from my gateway
[12:02] <stazz> aurax: your gateways manual can help you
[12:02] <korCZiz> i have gnome, kde3.4, wmaker, phluid, enlightenment... what i have?
[12:02] <bystander> korCZiz: you have ubuntu with gnome and kde
[12:02] <aurax> sure
[12:02] <aurax> u know a good one ?
[12:02] <stazz> korCZiz: you've got ubuntu. ;)
[12:02] <korCZiz> bystander: and if i unistall gnome is going to be kubuntu?
[12:03] <stazz> korCZiz: yes and no.
[12:03] <stazz> korCZiz: no in terms of sense
[12:03] <korCZiz> so diffirent between ubuntu and kubuntu is only 'k' letter?
[12:03] <bystander> korCZiz: it's all Ubuntu, whatever you install :) You can even have ubuntu without a desktop or window manager
[12:03] <cleit0n> [chii] : how i installl modem intel 537ep in kubuntu?
[12:04] <stazz> korCZiz: as I said. kubuntu is a stupid word invented to confuse people uncessarily
[12:04] <fsd3> hi. somebody knows how i can set the style of my nautilus explorer permanent. i m always setting list and 25% and it saves the config just for that folder
[12:05] <korCZiz> bystander: so i am not able understand how differences are between both distros. if i use ubuntu with kde than its kubuntu. without kde ubuntu. when i uninstall gnome and install kde. what is it? good question in some quizes..
[12:05] <^thehatsrule^> korCZis: ubuntu is officially only supported
[12:05] <bystander> korCZiz: kubunu is  not a separate distro
[12:05] <bystander> *kubuntu
[12:05] <aurax> can anyone help me out fix my gateway so p2p clients on the workstations can wokr ?
[12:05] <aurax> work even
[12:05] <bystander> korCZiz: it's just an addition/ choice
[12:06] <korCZiz> omg, why was kubuntu invented? everyone can type as i apt-get install kde3 and have kubuntu
[12:06] <twb_> wheres synaptic located?
[12:06] <bystander> korCZiz: no, you should type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop really
[12:06] <jvl> twb_: computer -> system configuration
[12:06] <korCZiz> its only word invented for confusing.......how said stazz before
[12:07] <twb_> filesystem?
[12:07] <korCZiz> K means krippled
[12:07] <korCZiz> ;)
[12:07] <ukato> haha
[12:07] <korCZiz> kids
[12:07] <jvl> twb_: nope. menus
[12:08] <w-mute> Hi, folks.
[12:08] <jvl> taskbar more exactly
[12:08] <bystander> twb_: most binaries/executable are in /usr/bin/ , but that doesn't matter really as long as they are in your PATH variable
[12:08] <korCZiz> are here any developers?
[12:08] <korCZiz> kernel developers?
[12:09] <korCZiz> or only administrators and users?
[12:09] <goldfish> korCZiz: #ubuntu-dev
[12:09] <^thehatsrule^> tbh, i cant use kde... too heavy for my machine heh
[12:09] <korCZiz> goldfish: you are really gold fish, and can i have next two wishes?
[12:09] <korCZiz> goldfish: are you goldfish or no?
[12:09] <twb_> anyone here play Raven Shiield/
[12:09] <goldfish> korCZiz: i am goldfish.
[12:09] <korCZiz> goldfish: so i will working kernel 2.6.12.1
[12:10] <^thehatsrule^> twb_: yea i do, but on windows ;p
[12:10] <HiFi_dk> hi... are there something special i need to do, to compile a new ubuntu kernel ?
[12:10] <korCZiz> goldfish: and.... next three wishes ;)
[12:10] <HiFi_dk> i have installede the linux-tree...
[12:10] <twb_> do u know how to instal it on here?
[12:10] <korCZiz> HiFi_dk: its impossible
[12:10] <^thehatsrule^> twb_: i think youll have to wine it...
[12:10] <korCZiz> HiFi_dk: to compile new kernel
[12:10] <twb_> eh?
[12:10] <bystander> korCZiz: nonsense
[12:10] <korCZiz> HiFi_dk: if your mkinitrd isnot working
[12:11] <GNULinuxer> how do i play mp4 videos in ubuntu?
[12:11] <HiFi_dk> korCZiz: ok, but I have to get ipw2200 working, following a howto
[12:11] <w-mute> Every 5 tries or so when I try to access an SMB share on a remote server (inside the LAN) Nautilus hangs when it normally would ask for the password of the keyring. Can anybody repro that? What's the fix?
[12:11] <GNULinuxer> gvlc tries to use /dev/dsp ... so i get no sound
[12:11] <korCZiz> HiFi_dk: hm
[12:11] <scsponger> hey how do you mount a smb drive so you can play some mp3s in xmms?
[12:11] <GNULinuxer> how do i make gvlc use esd?
[12:11] <bystander> twb_: you aren't expecting to run windows binaries on a new OS, are you?
[12:11] <HiFi_dk> but maybe it's enough with just the sources...
[12:11] <twb_> can u even install RvS on Linux
[12:11] <scsponger> please
[12:11] <korCZiz> scsponger: i have used linneighbourhood
[12:11] <^thehatsrule^> yes, by emulation
[12:11] <twb_> yes
[12:12] <w-mute> spsponger: not at all because xmms probably doesn't know about VFS.
[12:12] <scsponger> korCZiz... appreciate it
[12:12] <^thehatsrule^> bystander: well its a valid argument, since after all its based on the unreal engine... just no native ones for rvs tho
[12:12] <twb_> i want my vent and rvs
[12:12] <HiFi_dk> korCZiz: I coudn't find a package for it
[12:12] <scsponger> thanks w-mute
[12:12] <korCZiz> scsponger: and have mounted smb share in some dir and added into xmms, its simple
[12:12] <HiFi_dk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26623
[12:12] <^thehatsrule^> twb_: vent?
[12:12] <twb_> ventrilo
[12:12] <scsponger> korCziz... i'm a newbie... so
[12:12] <korCZiz> scsponger: you must have compiled kernel with smbfs
[12:13] <orso> what package does cdrdao comes with?
[12:13] <korCZiz> scsponger: have you install linneigbourhood?
[12:13] <w-mute> scsponger: right - if you mount the share via the mount command it will work ... but it will toast your access control.
[12:13] <twb_> thehatsrule: whats ur name on rvs?
[12:13] <orso> cdrtools?
[12:13] <scsponger> korCZiz... no... but i will try
[12:13] <korCZiz> scsponger: if not, type "apt-get install linneigbourhoods"
[12:13] <scsponger> great will do
[12:13] <neighborlee> is there any convergence of opinions on what is causing, and a fix for this odd X lockups many are seeing ? ( locks up x although mouse /keyb seem to still work but gnome-panel is fried )
[12:14] <korCZiz> jvl1: wb
[12:14] <puddleboy> ubuntu rox
[12:14] <bystander> orso: apt-cache search cdrdao  >> cdrdao funnily enough
[12:14] <jvl1> thx
[12:14] <twb_> can Limwire go on Linux?
[12:14] <puddleboy> twb_, tes
[12:14] <puddleboy> erm
[12:14] <ralf> twb_: yes
[12:14] <puddleboy> yes
[12:15] <puddleboy> twb_, what flavor of linux are you running?
[12:15] <orso> bystander, tanks, my first time with apt-get (im used to portage)
[12:15] <twb_> Ubuntu
[12:15] <twb_> ????
[12:15] <twb_> i guess....
[12:15] <twb_> brah, i have no idea about anything when it comes to Linux
[12:16] <puddleboy> twb_, ill give you a link to where you can d/l it for linux - sec
[12:16] <korCZiz> goldfish: on ubuntu-dev is only one (of course inactive) person
[12:16] <bystander> !faq
[12:16] <ubotu> I heard faq is Frequently Asked Questions you can check it out from here ---> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[12:16] <Dj_AlTeK> hey ne1 know how to copy a cd to a folder then burn it to a disc with all the track listings??
[12:16] <puddleboy> http://www.limewire.com/english/content/downloadfree.shtml
[12:16] <puddleboy> there is a linux link on there
[12:17] <Zeq> i need some help here, i cant change my screen resolution, i have a 17' monitor but I can only choose the 640x480 resolution, anyone who can help..
[12:17] <twb_> i have Limewire on cd from windows, im assuming that wont work on here?
[12:17] <theonetrueace> can i download the install/live dvd from someone on this channel?
[12:17] <korCZiz> pec
[12:17] <Dj_AlTeK> hey ne1 know how to copy a music cd to a folder then burn it to a disc with all the track listings??
[12:17] <SQFreak> I'm having a repo problem. When I try to install kubuntu-desktop, I'm told that it depends on konversation which is not going to be installed. Konversation depends on a newer version of kdelibs than is available. What should I do?
[12:17] <puddleboy> twb_, correct, you will have to download limewire for linux
[12:17] <puddleboy> twb_, from here: http://www.limewire.com/english/content/downloadfree.shtml
[12:17] <twb_> ok
[12:17] <MidnightDevil> hi, i accidently added my username in the wrong linenumber so now i got the msg "sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 20"
[12:17] <twb_> ty
[12:17] <puddleboy> twb_, np
[12:17] <alberto_> has anyone gotten ubunto to work with the alsa drivers for ac97 ?
[12:18] <bystander> twb_: methinks you need to change the way you are thinking - this ain't windows any more ;-)
[12:18] <twb_> and do u know about games such as Ravenshield?
[12:18] <pepsix> Dj_AlTeK, have you done.. sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:18] <pepsix> ?
[12:18] <Triffid_Hunter> MidnightDevil: time for a knoppix cd ;)
[12:18] <twb_> am i able to install on here
[12:18] <Dj_AlTeK> pepsix, no
[12:18] <scsponger> korCZiz....  sudo apt-get install linneigbourhoods
[12:18] <scsponger> Password:
[12:18] <scsponger> Reading package lists... Done
[12:18] <scsponger> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:18] <scsponger> E: Couldn't find package linneigbourhoods
[12:18] <scsponger> ... ?
[12:18] <MidnightDevil> i dont have any :(
[12:18] <goldfish> lol
[12:18] <Dj_AlTeK> should i do it in root terminal?
[12:18] <bystander> scsponger: wrong package name
[12:18] <pepsix> Dj_AlTeK, it doesnt matter.. you need to do it as root... so a regulat terminal with sudo prepended to the command will be fine
[12:18] <bystander> scsponger: possiby linneighborhood
[12:19] <korCZiz> scsponger: my mistake
[12:19] <MidnightDevil> Triffid_Hunter,  any other way ?
[12:19] <korCZiz> scsponger: linneighbourhood
[12:19] <scsponger> thanks bystander... will give it a shot
[12:19] <orso> bystander, i get this, E: Invalid operation search
[12:19] <Zeq> i need some help here, i cant change my screen resolution, i have a 17' monitor but I can only choose the 640x480 resolution, anyone who can help..
[12:19] <Triffid_Hunter> MidnightDevil: exploit a local privelege escalation flaw
[12:19] <pepsix> Dj_AlTeK, oh heh
[12:19] <bystander> orso:  apt-cache search <keyword>
[12:19] <pepsix> that was meant for Zeq i guess
[12:19] <korCZiz> exploit? i love this word..
[12:19] <MidnightDevil> that sounds a little bit dificult, but if u tell me how i think i can live with that
[12:19] <MidnightDevil> lol
[12:19] <puddleboy> Zeq, what kind of video card are you running?
[12:20] <puddleboy> Zeq, also, what kind of monitor
[12:20] <scsponger> got it... thanks gents... will give it a shot
[12:20] <orso> bystander, sorry, didnt see that you wrote apt-cache
[12:20] <twb_> hey, i want to learn about this thing
[12:20] <twb_> i just dont know where to begin
[12:20] <MidnightDevil> brb
[12:21] <puddleboy> Zeq?
[12:21] <twb_> this things telling me i don have permission too extractt????
[12:21] <bystander> twb_: try the faq -see ubotu below
[12:21] <bystander> !faq
[12:21] <ubotu> [faq]  Frequently Asked Questions you can check it out from here ---> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[12:21] <Zeq> I have a 17' LCD monitor
[12:21] <pepsix> Zeq, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:21] <Zeq> and i dont know which video card i have, i think is an onboard one
[12:21] <pepsix> try to answer the questions correctly :)
[12:21] <puddleboy> okay
[12:21] <Zeq> i have an intel pentium 4
[12:21] <bystander> twb_: you are probably trying to extract outside your home directory
[12:22] <pepsix> heh, you need to know your video card
[12:22] <alberto_> i have a laptop that has the ac97 card. i use to have suse on it, and the sound card worke fine, now with ubuntu de the driver looks the same and its on but i have no sound ... snd_atiixp
[12:22] <alberto_> can anyone help ?
[12:22] <pepsix> Zeq, ask hal-device-manager
[12:22] <alberto_> i been reading around with no luck
[12:23] <bystander> alberto_: ac97 is a codec, not a card
[12:23] <puddleboy> Zeq, can you open /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:23] <alberto_> sorry....
[12:23] <bystander> a number of cards use ac97
[12:23] <puddleboy> Zeq, with a text editor
[12:23] <korCZiz> alberto_: you need insmod snd_ac97_codecs
[12:23] <korCZiz> alberto_: you need insmod snd_ac97_codec
[12:23] <scsponger> korCziz .... i've properly installed linneighborhood... but am still unable to play anything... is there anything else I need to do?
[12:24] <alberto_> insmod: can't read 'snd_ac97_codecs': No such file or directory
[12:24] <Dj_AlTeK> pepsix, i ran dpkg-configure xserver-xorg, now what do i do
[12:24] <Zeq> wait..  im trying
[12:24] <korCZiz> scsponger: have you run a linneigbourhood? have you mounted smb share in some dir?
[12:24] <alberto_> korCZiz, is that the name of the module ?
[12:24] <bystander> korCZiz: please, if you don't know, don't answer: it just creates confusion
[12:24] <twb_> geez, i cant figure th is out
[12:24] <korCZiz> alberto_: so you have problems, my machine is working fine
[12:25] <korCZiz> alberto_: yes it is
[12:25] <scsponger> ummm... no but last time i tried to mount a smb share... it froze up my computer?
[12:25] <korCZiz> alberto_: maybe try append ko
[12:25] <scsponger> i know i need to do it
[12:25] <scsponger> but really don't know how
[12:25] <Zeq> i opened xorg.0.log
[12:25] <orso> bystander, i dont get the messege of apt-cache search cdrdao. it just roming about k3b but k3b asks for cdrdao to be installed?
[12:25] <sweetmoma> What is the easiest way to share a printer from one ubuntu install with another
[12:25] <puddleboy> can you copy and paste the contents to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[12:25] <korCZiz> alberto_: snd_ac97_codec.ko
[12:25] <alberto_> korCZiz same outcome
[12:25] <puddleboy> (paste bin)
[12:25] <bystander> korCZiz: for heaven's sake, stop giving guess answers!
[12:26] <Dj_AlTeK> hey pepsix i ran dpkg-configure xserver-xorg, now what do i do?
[12:26] <korCZiz> bystander: what?
[12:26] <twb_> why is it co complex?
[12:26] <twb_> all i want is Limewire on my pc
[12:26] <bystander> orso: there are several lines - one of them is cdrdao, which is the package you need
[12:26] <korCZiz> alberto_: and have you seen /lib/modules directory?
[12:26] <sweetmoma> twb_, its not hard to install limewire
[12:26] <alberto_> korCZiz but its alredy on, Look at what lsmod says.... snd                    50660  6 snd_atiixp,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_
[12:26] <scsponger> korCziz: ummm... no but last time i tried to mount a smb share... it froze up my computer?
[12:26] <twb_> wanna walk me through it
[12:27] <bystander> twb_: it isn't complex - you just aren't used to it yet :)
[12:27] <scsponger> am i doing something wrong?
[12:27] <twb_> .....not at all : /
[12:27] <Vjaz> Hi. Is there an easy way to make Thunderbird handle mailto-links from Firefox?
[12:27] <sweetmoma> twb_, limewire is a java app, you need java and then download the Linux package from limewire.com
[12:27] <korCZiz> scsponger: so i dont know what is going to wrong, because my is working perfectly....
[12:27] <scsponger> hmm... ok i'll mess with it
[12:27] <scsponger> thanks for the help though
[12:28] <korCZiz> scsponger: it has frozes my computer when i have had czech letters in dir and filenames..
[12:28] <Vjaz> The default settings try to open a new Thunderbird each time, which is something Thunderbird doesn't like.
[12:28] <twb_> ok, so ill get java first
[12:28] <sweetmoma> Vjaz, use the preffered apps in settings
[12:28] <bystander> !java
[12:28] <ubotu> somebody said java was https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java
[12:28] <korCZiz> scsponger: bystander is able to help you...
[12:28] <scsponger> hmmm
[12:28] <puddleboy> Zeq, still there?
[12:28] <scsponger> thanks korCziz
[12:28] <Vjaz> sweetmoma: Yes, I know that, but what should I put in there? The default "Thunderbird" setting is wrong because it tries to open a new Thunderbird each time I want to send mail.
[12:29] <korCZiz> scsponger: is not why...
[12:29] <alberto_> korCZiz any sujestions ?
[12:29] <korCZiz> alberto_: no, but have you seens log files?
[12:29] <orso> bystander, i only get two lines and nothing about cdrdao. An try to run apt-get install cdrdao tells me its not around or available
[12:29] <Zeq> yes, i have to copy that, right?
[12:29] <sweetmoma> Vjaz, It shouldnt do that, it happens to me sometimes
[12:30] <alberto_> yes
[12:30] <bystander> orso: you may be missing some repositories - see below
[12:30] <scsponger> bystander.... i've installed linneighborhood ... and have previously tried to mount my smb share dir... but all it did is freeze up my ubuntu box... any suggestions?
[12:30] <alberto_> everything looks normal
[12:30] <sweetmoma> orso, have you added any new repos?
[12:30] <bystander> !repositories
[12:30] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:30] <puddleboy> Zeq, copy it and paste it into http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[12:30] <Vjaz> sweetmoma: Do you use Thunderbird too?
[12:30] <alberto_> i dont have a /dev/dsp though
[12:30] <scsponger> bystander... could i have my command wrong?
[12:30] <korCZiz> alberto_: and can you copy files from remote share to local?
[12:30] <orso> sweetmoma, how can i do that, this is my first time with apt-get
[12:30] <Vjaz> sweetmoma: On Hoary? And is the line in your preferred applications "mozilla-thunderbird -mail %s"? (that's the default for TB)
[12:30] <bystander> scsponger: I use NFS and know nothing about samba/smbfs etc
[12:31] <puddleboy> Zeq, what text editor did you open it in?
[12:31] <korCZiz> alberto_: or when you open the directory system frozes?
[12:31] <Dj_AlTeK> hey i got my music cd open, now i just need to know how to copy the songs to cdc/cd creator
[12:31] <sweetmoma> Vjaz, yes.  I use preffered apps and it works fine.  but hold on let me give you a link
[12:31] <Dj_AlTeK> cvc/cd creator*
[12:31] <Dj_AlTeK> dvd*
[12:31] <scsponger> bystander... i'll do some research thanks anyway
[12:31] <korCZiz> alberto_: sorry it was for scsponger
[12:31] <Zeq> done, i pasted it
[12:31] <alberto_> korCZiZ NO, I dont understand
[12:31] <alberto_> Oh cook :-)
[12:32] <Vjaz> sweetmoma: I'm guessing you know a script that does it right? I know about that solution... I was hoping that Ubuntu had made a neat package or something that takes care of it.
[12:32] <alberto_> korCZiz sorry to bathor man. i do apreciate your help
[12:32] <Vjaz> sweetmoma: But if you have a link, please paste it. That should help.
[12:32] <korCZiz> alberto_: ok, its your fish ;)
[12:32] <Wa77z> whats some good ftp software for linux ?
[12:32] <twb_> everything is goin to my desktop, im furious
[12:32] <Dj_AlTeK> ne1 here know how to copy songs from a cd to cd/dvd creator?
[12:33] <alberto_> so has anyone here battled this problem ?
[12:33] <cam> alberto_, is your sound card supported in linux?
[12:33] <puddleboy> Zeq, I see the problem, can you paste the contents of "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" to the paste bin?
[12:34] <alberto_> cam yes
[12:34] <cam> alberto_, is the module loaded?
[12:34] <alberto_> cam it was working in suse fine
[12:34] <alberto_> cam yes
[12:34] <Dj_AlTeK> ne1 here know how to copy songs from a cd to cd/dvd creator?
[12:34] <Zeq> wait wait, i paste xorg.conf contento where?
[12:34] <cam> what is the dmesg output from the module?
[12:34] <puddleboy> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[12:34] <puddleboy> same place
[12:35] <Zeq> oh, ok, sorry, i have some problems with my english
[12:35] <alberto_> cam the modules are loaded and seem to be fine
[12:35] <puddleboy> Zeq, its no problem, I probably have worse problems speaking whatever your native langage is :)
[12:35] <alberto_> cam the only thing is that i dont have a /dev/dsp and the sound doesnt work
[12:35] <cam> alberto_, but what's the output from your kernel log or dmes or whatever
[12:35] <Dj_AlTeK> does anyone know how to get songs from a cd to copy into the cd/dvd creator window??
[12:35] <puddleboy> language rather
[12:35] <alberto_> cam one sec, i will paste it in pastebin
[12:36] <cam> ok
[12:36] <twb_> anyone know how to make Debian look like this?
[12:36] <Zeq> done
[12:36] <sweetmoma> Vjaz, sorry i cant find the link right now , it was on newsforge a week ago
[12:36] <twb_> witth a theme an everything
[12:36] <bystander> Dj_AlTeK: if you want to make music CDs you'll need graveman, k3b or gnomebaker installed
[12:36] <Dj_AlTeK> does anyone know how to get songs from a cd to copy into the cd/dvd creator window??
[12:37] <alberto_> cam http://pastebin.ca/16189
[12:37] <sweetmoma> Dj_AlTeK, drag and drop
[12:37] <Dj_AlTeK> sweetmoma: drag and drop doesnt work
[12:37] <sweetmoma> Dj_AlTeK, what are you using?
[12:37] <Karn> well, livecd is up and running :) looks good
[12:38] <Quest-Master> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=232986 <-- for anyone wanting to help a poor Ubuntu user with a dead X graphical interface.. :(
[12:38] <Dj_AlTeK> i opened the cd, and opened cd-dvd creator and when i select a song it wont copy
[12:38] <sweetmoma> Dj_AlTeK, what app are you using?
[12:38] <Dj_AlTeK> cd/dvd creator
[12:38] <Dj_AlTeK> comes with ubuntu
[12:38] <bystander> Dj_AlTeK: 08:37 < bystander> Dj_AlTeK: if you want to make music CDs you'll need
[12:38] <bystander>                    graveman, k3b or gnomebaker installed
[12:38] <sweetmoma> Dj_AlTeK, have you tried k3b
[12:39] <cam> alberto_, what module are you using for your sound card?
[12:39] <cam> alberto_, or what kind of sound card do you have in there?
[12:40] <GNULinuxer> Any Idea how I can play mp4 videos in Ubuntu?
[12:40] <puddleboy> Zeq, in a terminal do "sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf"    Find in it  Section "Device" and just below it there is a line that says  Driver "via".  Change "via" to "i810"
[12:40] <alberto_> cam
[12:40] <LexiCon[gsr-dj] > is there a starter's guide to installing the ethernet/wireless?? :\
[12:40] <cam> alberto_, ?
[12:40] <alberto_> cam can i pvt you the modules ?
[12:40] <cam> sure
[12:41] <osiris> Hi im trying to get my display setup correct i have a nvidia gforce fx5500 (the drivers are installed correctly) with a samsung Syncmaster 172v monitor, i have entered the correct vert and horiz values but still the display has a ghosted image to the right ive tried differant refresh rates too, any help would be great.
[12:41] <puddleboy> LexiCon[gsr-dj] , ethernet should have been installed automatically just fine - wireless can be tricky sometimes
[12:42] <Karn> osiris, how long is your video cable?
[12:42] <Dj_AlTeK> effin a!
[12:42] <Vjaz> sweetmoma: I think I found something that works on ubuntuforums.org: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18175 - it seemed to work fine on the first try, so I'm using that for now
[12:42] <osiris> Karn: Not very long, why?
[12:42] <Dj_AlTeK> i cant find my horay disc
[12:42] <alberto_> cam Got it?
[12:42] <puddleboy> Zeq, did that make sense?
[12:42] <Karn> osiris, a long cable can cause ghosting ... as can a cheap cable. make sure the cable isnt running near any power cables aswell
[12:42] <NeoGeo64> help
[12:42] <NeoGeo64> how do i enable universe and multiverse
[12:43] <osiris> Karn: It was ok in windows, about 30 mins ago.
[12:43] <Quest-Master> NeoGeo64: http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:43] <cam> alberto_, yeah
[12:43] <cam> alberto_, hey, dump the lspci stuff over there too
[12:43] <bystander> Dj_AlTeK: then do sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment the Cd line with a # , do an update/reload, and install from the network
[12:43] <Karn> osiris, have you tried using the nv driver  - does it still have ghosting?
[12:43] <osiris> yes it does
[12:44] <osiris> im sure it has something to do with the horiz and vert values i have set, but they seem to have worked last time.
[12:44] <osiris> and they are the correct values from the monitor manual.
[12:44] <Karn> what resolution are you running?
[12:44] <Zeq> yes, and i save changes
[12:44] <osiris> 1280x1024
[12:44] <Zeq> and now?
[12:44] <osiris> at 60hz
[12:44] <Karn> osiris, is it ghosting @ 800x600
[12:45] <osiris> No not at all
[12:45] <alberto_> cam Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller
[12:45] <osiris> Perfect Display at 800x600
[12:45] <Karn> osiris, then i'm guessing either the refresh isnt high enough or the screen cant handle 1280x1024
[12:45] <Dj_AlTeK> thanx bystander
[12:46] <osiris> Karn: it must be the refresh but i have had it working before in ubuntu with 1280x1024 @60hz
[12:46] <osiris> this is what i cant understand
[12:46] <puddleboy> Zeq, restart
[12:46] <puddleboy> =)
[12:46] <Zeq> ok, brb =)
[12:47] <Zeq> thank u
[12:47] <Karn> osiris, i wouldnt recommend 60hz anyways ... its bad for your eyes. check your xorg.cfg file and check the values are correct there
[12:47] <cam> alberto_, i found this in the ubuntu forums: I experimented further and discovered that by unloading and reloading the snd_atiixp module sound worked, although I had to unmute everything and turn up the volume. Today sound worked without ant intervention from me. Very strange.
[12:47] <cam> alberto_, it's a guy w/ the same card/problem as you, you could give it a whirl
[12:47] <osiris> Karn: in the xorg.conf where can you change the refresh rate?
[12:48] <alberto_> cam i tried that
[12:48] <Karn> in the Section "Monitor"
[12:48] <sara_poo> I have a brand new amd64 ubuntu install, and X won't work, and I never set a root password.  I didn't expect this.  What did I miss?
[12:49] <Karn> osiris, HorizSync and VertRefresh
[12:49] <puddleboy> sara_poo, there is no root password in ubuntu
[12:49] <puddleboy> sara_poo,  you have to use sudo
[12:49] <alberto_> cam i got an error this time
[12:49] <puddleboy> sara_poo, and your current user password
[12:49] <alberto_> cam when i reloaded it,,,, look ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:14.5[B]  -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 193
[12:49] <alberto_> ATI IXP AC97 controller: probe of 0000:00:14.5 failed with error -13
[12:49] <Karn> puddleboy, are you saying there is no way to log in as root?
[12:49] <sara_poo> puddleboy: heh, interesting.  Ok i'll give it a shot.  I'm already in sudoers?
[12:49] <bulletbrain> you can give root a password if you like
[12:49] <osiris> at the momment there 31-81 and 56-75 which looks normal.
[12:50] <|2onan> hi
[12:50] <oofnik> hey guys, for some reason when i upgraded my kernel from 386 to 686-smp alsa is now broken.. any ideas?
[12:50] <|2onan> does anybody know how to do a CRC check under ubuntu?
[12:50] <Karn> osiris, then i dont know. sorry
[12:50] <puddleboy> Karn, no way that Im aware of yet =)
[12:50] <osiris> no probs thanks for the help anyway Karn
[12:51] <cam> alberto_, ok, there's a related error i found on google
[12:51] <Karn> oofnik, did you make sure alsa was compiled into your new kernel?
[12:51] <sara_poo> is there a way to search the apt-get repositories like with portage?  To see what available packages are there?  (apt-get --search blackbox??)
[12:51] <cam> alberto_, check this link out: http://www.linuxcompatible.org/No_sound_since_upgrade_to_Fedora_Core_2_Kernal_2.6.8-1.521_t28449.html
[12:51] <Wa77z> is there any ftp software for linux ?
[12:51] <Karn> puddleboy, there must be a way ... it makes no sense to not have a root account with access
[12:51] <sara_poo> Wa77z: client or server?
[12:51] <cam> alberto_, i gotta go home, there's tons of crap about your card on the web, search around
[12:51] <oofnik> Karn it is the ubuntu image kernel, i didn't compile it
[12:51] <bystander> sara_poo: apt-cache search <keyword>
[12:51] <|2onan> sara_poo, do sudo apt-cache search
[12:51] <Quest-Master> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=232986 <-- for anyone wanting to help a poor Ubuntu user with a dead X graphical interface.. :(
[12:52] <Karn> oofnik, then apt-get alsa-lib or whateva (i'm new to debian ... i'm used to emerge :))
[12:52] <sara_poo> Wa77z: ftp and gnome have gui's for ftp software, gtk-ftp and kftpgrabber i think, or soemthing like that
[12:52] <puddleboy> Karn, as best as I know, ubuntu is specifically built without a root account, all admin actions are done through superuser do
[12:52] <bystander> |2onan: sudo isn't needed for apt-cache search
[12:52] <|2onan> o haha
[12:52] <oofnik> Karn, crimsun helped me reinstall/recompile alsa a while ago to get it working, so apparently he had me do something that was kernel-specific and i haven't been able to get him on here since :-P
[12:52] <|2onan> cool i didn't know that
[12:52] <oofnik> so i'm stuck with 386 until i can talk to crimsun again
[12:52] <alberto_> cam thanks for the help :-) safe trip home
[12:53] <|2onan> bystander, do you know how to do a CRC check under ubuntu's terminal?
[12:53] <bystander> |2onan: nope, sorry
[12:53] <Dj_AlTeK> hey when i try to eject my music cd by right clicking, i get an eject error saying "unable to eject, last error: invalid argument". how do i get eject my cd then?
[12:53] <puddleboy> Karn, and it does make some sense - to make it easier/safer to use for the not so educated user, no one will be able to run their system as root all the time
[12:54] <puddleboy> Karn, which is a good thing imho
[12:54] <oofnik> eh.. well on another note, i can't seem to mount my ntfs partition without root only access, what should i do?
[12:54] <bystander> Dj_AlTeK: try ` sudo eject /dev/cdrom ` from a terminal
[12:54] <Karn> puddleboy, it is a good idea ... what would be better is if they had it the way it is but on install told you the root password for future reference
[12:55] <puddleboy> Karn, there is no root password
[12:55] <Karn> puddleboy, so you can just login root?
[12:55] <sara_poo> there is no root account it looks like
[12:55] <puddleboy> Karn, so you cannot login as root, at all
[12:55] <bulletbrain> you can make a root password
[12:55] <sara_poo> i think it's a good idea
[12:55] <bystander> Karn: no you can't :)
[12:55] <Dj_AlTeK> thanx again bystander
[12:55] <puddleboy> Karn, you could create a root user
[12:55] <bulletbrain> you can become root though
[12:55] <Karn> sara_poo, there is always a root account afaik
[12:55] <oofnik> tjat's what i did, sudo passwd root
[12:56] <oofnik> ubuntu comes default without a root account enabled
[12:56] <puddleboy> Karn, but out of fresh install, a root user does not exist
[12:56] <sara_poo> Karn: thats pretty neat, nobody knows root's password.  I hope my ubuntu system picked 'beer' as the root password.
[12:56] <dooglus_> is anyone familiar with the use of ssh-agent?
[12:56] <bystander> Karn: sudo -i  or sudo -s will give you a root shell
[12:56] <Karn> =S long time since i've used vi ... how do you quit again? :)
[12:56] <dooglus_> Karn: :q
[12:56] <puddleboy> i just do sudo sh
[12:56] <sara_poo>   :q
[12:56] <puddleboy> =)
[12:56] <dooglus_> puddleboy: or "sudo -s"
[12:56] <sara_poo> vi quit =   :q
[12:56] <bulletbrain> sara_poo, unless the user account is compromised
[12:56] <Karn> thanks all :)
[12:57] <oofnik> haha sara_poo you can just do sudo passwd root to create a root password and use the root account
[12:57] <dooglus_> sara_poo: you don't have a root password by default - you can't guess it - it doesn't exist
[12:57] <bulletbrain> sara_poo, then the attacker won't have to bother getting the root password AND the user password, only the user password to access root
[12:57] <sara_poo> oofnik: i'll just guess for a few days.  I don't think my system is that smart.
[12:57] <ukato> do i have to do anything special to set up or enable OpenGL?
[12:57] <oofnik> haha, alright whatever works :-P
[12:57] <rrittenhouse> Anyone here know any basic configuration of squid?
[12:57] <holycow> lol
[12:57] <holycow> yes
[12:57] <holycow> but
[12:57] <sara_poo> I was just kidding actually.
[12:57] <holycow> all the attacker now has to do is guess  REALLY REALLY weak user passwords
[12:57] <sara_poo> I'm trying to guess at whats wrong with X
[12:57] <oofnik> hey, when you're bored, guessing root passwords randomly can be fun...
[12:57] <holycow> WHICH IS THE ROOT PASSWORD BY PROXY via sudo
[12:58] <Karn> `sudo passwd root` works
[12:58] <oofnik> yup
[12:58] <sara_poo> su
[12:58] <sara_poo> beer
[12:58] <sara_poo> :)
[12:58] <sara_poo> sorry, wrong terminal
[12:58] <holycow> meaning i should be able to login into half ubuntu installs with 'dilbert' as pass and the other ones with 'god'
[12:58] <oofnik> haha good job
[12:58] <sara_poo> j/k
[12:58] <Karn> if its that easy to add a root password surely that itself is compromising security
[12:58] <dooglus_> sara_poo: for optimal security you should unset your own password too: "sudo passwd -l sara_poo"
[12:58] <sara_poo> lol
[12:58] <dooglus_> sara_poo: then the attacker won't be able to guess your password either.
[12:59] <sara_poo> dooglus_: good thinking
[12:59] <dooglus_> then turn the computer off and pull out the network cable.  for maximum security, burn the hard disk too.
[12:59] <sara_poo> I'd like to set up a cron job to do that daily
[12:59] <bystander> Karn: read the wiki on the root issue - the bot will give you the URL below
[12:59] <holycow> Karn, the effect of the default ubuntu install is that the restricted user is basically a root account with the one step of typing in their password, which in general is weak
[12:59] <bystander> !rootsudo
[12:59] <ubotu> methinks rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:59] <oofnik> i like how you think, dooglus
[12:59] <puddleboy> has anyone here installed UT
[12:59] <sara_poo> I have
[12:59] <sara_poo> puddleboy: i have
[12:59] <holycow> so yes, typical ubuntu accounts should be easily exploitable
[12:59] <bulletbrain> dooglus_, actually I'm stationed on a moon base and use sub space wifi to connect
[01:00] <puddleboy> sara_poo, how long does it take
[01:00] <dooglus_> bulletbrain: so what are you saying?  not enough oxygen to burn the hard disk?
[01:00] <oofnik> hah
[01:00] <puddleboy> sara_poo, its been sitting at Uncompressing Unreal..... for a while now
[01:00] <oofnik> yeah he needs the O2 for breathing not fire..
[01:00] <sara_poo> puddleboy: it only took about an hour to d/l and install with gentoo, you'll have to get the linux binaries from the site i think with ubunut
[01:00] <sara_poo> i'm new to ubuntu
[01:00] <puddleboy> sara_poo, I already have the ut-install.run file
[01:00] <dooglus_> is there a channel where I might find people who know about ssh and ssh-agent?
[01:01] <puddleboy> sara_poo, im referring to the actual installation program
[01:01] <puddleboy> sara_poo, how long does it take to install
[01:01] <oofnik> why doe ubuntu come with /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab? what's the diff between the two?
[01:01] <sara_poo> puddleboy: uncompressing for awhile?  that took my system literally 10 seconds...
[01:01] <puddleboy> sara_poo, weird
[01:01] <sara_poo> puddleboy: it should have the 'dots' as a progress meeter thing
[01:01] <puddleboy> sara_poo, something must be amiss in that case
[01:01] <sara_poo> puddleboy: if it's uncompressing top should show it using some cpu % i woudl think
[01:01] <Karn> oofnik, filesystem table .. media table - afaik
[01:01] <alberto_> does this mean that im having irq conflicts ?
[01:01] <sara_poo> puddleboy: you sure the install file is valid?
[01:01] <alberto_> ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:14.5[B]  -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 193
[01:01] <oofnik> ah i see
[01:01] <Karn> sorry ... mount table
[01:01] <dooglus_> oofnik: /etc/mtab is "what is mounted" and /etc/fstab is "what do I know how to mount"
[01:02] <oofnik> ah ok
[01:02] <dooglus_> oofnik: /etc/fstab stays the same size as you umount stuff, whereas /etc/mtab gets smaller
[01:02] <oofnik> can i add an entry to /etc/mtab or is that strictly what is mounted
[01:02] <dooglus_> oofnik: you shouldn't edit it
[01:02] <oofnik> alright
[01:02] <odie5533> how do I mount a usb flash drive?
[01:03] <oofnik> dooglus_ what is used to automount my USB external?
[01:03] <wolverian> odie5533: just plug it in.
[01:03] <odie5533> it isnt mounting
[01:03] <oofnik> and put that nifty little desktop icon there
[01:03] <Punkcut> i need some help dual booting ubunto hoary and windows xp, but i dont want to put GRUB on the mbr, Ive tried booting into a terminal with a rescue disk and chroot to the ubuntu install and then dd=if/dev/hdc6 of=/mnt/fatswap/linux.bin bs=512 count=1. I then put this in my C:\ folder and added it to boot.ini. However when i try to boot into the ubuntu install i get GRUB and then it hangs. How can i fix this?
[01:03] <dooglus_> oofnik: I don't know.  it's magic.  it just works (for about 10 minutes, after which it just crashes) for me
[01:03] <oofnik> odie5533 check dmesg
[01:03] <oofnik> haha, that sucks.. yeah fortunately it works flawless for me :)
[01:03] <odie5533> what am i looking for
[01:03] <sara_poo> does anyone have any idea how to setup control+alt+F2/f3/f4 to swap tty's from inside X?  I'm trying to trouble shoot some x problems, and other distros had that as the default I think
[01:04] <oofnik> odie5533 anything usb - related
[01:04] <odie5533> urg ill just use good ol windows
[01:04] <dooglus_> sara_poo: it's the default in ubuntu too
[01:04] <odie5533> always works
[01:04] <sara_poo> dooglus_: so X must be freezing then, if i can't swap terminals
[01:04] <kyncani> Punkcut: you don't want to put grub in the mbr ? why is that ???
[01:04] <bystander> sara_poo: should be exactly the same on Ubuntu
[01:04] <sara_poo> dooglus_: gdm lets me log in, then everything stops
[01:04] <holycow> how do you mount a usb flash drive?
[01:04] <dooglus_> sara_poo: I sometimes find that ctrl-alt-f1 won't get me anywhere - but that's when X has crashed, yes.
[01:04] <sara_poo> dooglus_: no messages in my xorg.log either
[01:04] <holycow> you put it in the usb port
[01:04] <dooglus_> sara_poo: breezy?
[01:04] <holycow> wtf kind of question is that?
[01:05] <holycow> :)
[01:05] <sara_poo> dooglus_:I got the default download, and just put the disk in
[01:05] <sara_poo> dooglus_: i would guess it's not breezy
[01:05] <sara_poo> dooglus_: nope, it's hedgehog one
[01:05] <bulletbrain> holycow, one that shouldn't be asked twice when it was just answered less than 5 minutes ago :)
[01:05] <oofnik> anyone know what the default charset is for FAT / NTFS filesystems? it is using utf8 and i don't want case sensitive
[01:05] <holycow> bulletbrain, heh :) then i guess its appropriate he went back to windows
[01:05] <dooglus_> sara_poo: I find that the most common cause for hanging is something to do with /usr/bin/esd.  try "sudo chmod 0 /usr/bin/esd" and see if that fixes it
[01:05] <Punkcut> kyncani > my windows install is my primary OS, and unfortunately windows does not take kindly to having its boot sector overwritten. it just manipulates the windows install less
[01:06] <oofnik> odie5533 don't use windows...
[01:06] <Dj_AlTeK> hey what other cd burning programs do they have besides k3b?
[01:06] <dooglus_> sara_poo: make a note of the permissions it should have first though, so you can put it back
[01:06] <bulletbrain> holycow, they'll be back
[01:06] <oofnik> it may work but come on, don't you like the linux challenge!
[01:06] <sara_poo> ok, i gave that a shot.  I'll try to start X from a tty in -- :1 to see if maybe i can get back
[01:06] <holycow> bulletbrain, haha! funny, yes indeed :)
[01:06] <bulletbrain> and people ask where the games are for Linux, THESE are the games! :)
[01:06] <sara_poo> it's a full system freeze though, I've never seen that with X.  (it's a pretty standard system, nvidia, amd64, etc.)
[01:06] <bystander> Dj_AlTeK: graveman, gnome-baker
[01:06] <bimberi> Dj_AlTeK: gnomebaker, graveman and nautilus
[01:06] <bulletbrain> learning games ;)
[01:07] <dooglus_> sara_poo: sometimes I log in from gdm and it hangs, but I can ctrl-alt-f1 and log in to a vc - and then if I pkill esd, the X session will un-hang
[01:07] <ukato> do i have to do anything special to set up or enable OpenGL?
[01:07] <kyncani> Punkcut: never had any problem with that, windows can be installed on the first partition, linux on the second, grub in mbr and everythgin should be fine
[01:07] <sara_poo> dooglus_: whats esd  ? sound daemon for enlightenment?
[01:07] <sara_poo> dooglus_: maybe i'll kill that all together first, just to make sure it's the problem?
[01:07] <oofnik> dooglus_ does pkill do the same as killall
[01:07] <dooglus_> sara_poo: "esound" - it's what gnome uses by default
[01:07] <oofnik> and kill
[01:07] <oofnik> for that matter
[01:07] <dooglus_>        pgrep,  pkill  -  look  up  or signal processes based on name and other
[01:07] <dooglus_>        attributes
[01:08] <Punkcut> kyncani > so when the install program asks to isntall grub on the mbr it should be ok to hit ok?
[01:08] <kyncani> Punkcut: yeah
[01:08] <oofnik> oh ok
[01:08] <kyncani> Punkcut: and grub should be able to start windows just fine
[01:08] <holycow> bulletbrain learning games ;)  <-- indeed, people ask me why i never play games, linux is far more interesting and challenging than any game :)
[01:08] <sara_poo> holycow: windows is very challenging also
[01:09] <sara_poo> holycow: windowsupdate is a game
[01:09] <holycow> rofl
[01:09] <sara_poo> i can never keep up
[01:09] <holycow> haha
[01:09] <oofnik> haha that's just becuase microsoft sucks...
[01:09] <oofnik> they can't keep up either
[01:09] <ukato> anyone use fluxbox?
[01:09] <oofnik> win xp though isn't as bad
[01:09] <sara_poo> ok, imma kill esound, try to start x, if it hangs i'll be back in 10 minutes
[01:09] <sara_poo> ukato: I use to, until apt-cache search didn't find it.
[01:09] <bystander> ukato: yes- what's the issue?
[01:09] <sara_poo> ukato: lol, i'll look for that later i guess
[01:10] <Punkcut> windows update is so incredibly simple
[01:10] <ukato> heh
[01:10] <ukato> okay so, it starts really slow
[01:10] <sara_poo> Punkcut: did you know it runs on freebsd?
[01:10] <Punkcut> some people just look for some kind of challenge when there is none
[01:10] <dooglus_> bystander: you sure about that?  I use breezy and still have all kinds of esd problems
[01:10] <ukato> there wsa a workaround, but i forgot it
[01:10] <oofnik> synaptic update isn't hard at all either!
[01:10] <sara_poo> windows update runs on freebsd.  Or it did a while back, not sure about anymore
[01:10] <Punkcut> sara_poo nope had no idea... wouldnt understand why youd want it to
[01:10] <bystander> dooglus_: crimsun told me they were going to deep-six esd
[01:11] <bystander> fwiw
[01:11] <oofnik> is there anything that could possibly happen that i wouldn't want upgrading from 2.6.10-5 to 2.6.10-34?
[01:11] <dooglus_> deep-six?
[01:11] <dooglus_> wossat?
[01:11] <oofnik> trash it
[01:11] <nalioth_wrkn> dooglus_: 6 feet under
[01:11] <bystander> ukato: you need to recompile it with --disable-xmb (it's a bug)
[01:11] <dooglus_> ooh.
[01:11] <oofnik> whats wrong with esd?
[01:12] <bystander> oofnik: everything
[01:12] <oofnik> like..
[01:12] <dooglus_> oofnik: it's laggy for me, and it also seems to cause gnome to hang on startup most of the time (in breezy)
[01:12] <oofnik> oh well that's no fun
[01:12] <ukato> bystander, how do i recompile
[01:12] <oofnik> what's the stable kernel in breezy now?
[01:12] <ukato> is it hard =p
[01:12] <chombee> Hello - has anyone had experience with a GNOME menu editor that worked recently? I've found they don't fully work and now my menus are all messed up because of them, wondered what the current state of the various editors is
[01:12] <bystander> oofnik: it wants to hold on to everything sound-related with a vise-like grip
[01:13] <dooglus_> oofnik: if I use esd, pausing a music track takes a noticeable time, as does restarting playback.  with alsa it's instantanous
[01:13] <oofnik> yeah, alsa is nice
[01:13] <sara_poo> should esd show up in ps ax | grep esd?
[01:13] <oofnik> chombee try this: sudo killall gnome-panel
[01:13] <bystander> ukato: not really - search the users mailing list for "slow fluxbox"
[01:13] <dooglus_> I do "ps -ef | grep esd"
[01:13] <chombee> oofnik - why?
[01:13] <lcarlos> how can i change mi nick in gaim????
[01:13] <oofnik> it will restart the gnome panel
[01:14] <dooglus_> that shows it for sure
[01:14] <dooglus_> (only it doesn't any more, 'cos it's chmod 0'ed)
[01:15] <chombee> oofnik - that isn't the problem, (the laptop has been restarted plenty of times), I think the editors really messed up the .desktop files
[01:15] <oofnik> hmm.. chombee i don't know what you could do, when you say messed up, what is wrong with it? things are just missing?
[01:16] <dooglus_> lcarlos: in the buddy window go to 'accounts' in 'tools' menu and add the account for your new nick
[01:16] <oofnik> ahh, where is crimsun
[01:16] <dooglus_> lcarlos: or if you mean you want to change your nick in the same account, you still use the accounts window - edit "alias" for the account
[01:17] <chope> hi, how can I make ubuntu reconfigure my hardware?
[01:17] <TheKarn> is there a search utility for apt-get?
[01:17] <oofnik> chope, why do you want to do that
[01:17] <sara_poo> TheKarn: apt-cache search
[01:17] <holycow> http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2005/06/jkontherun_gues.html  <-- neato
[01:17] <holycow> based on debian linux
[01:17] <TheKarn> sara_poo, thanks :)
[01:17] <bystander> TheKarn: apt-cache search <keyword>
[01:17] <holycow> who knows, perhaps one can muck ubuntu onto such a thing
[01:17] <sara_poo> TheKarn: np.  I'm an expert.
[01:18] <Wa77z> guys..i am having problems getting my sound to work
[01:18] <bystander> sara_poo: ;)
[01:18] <dooglus_> TheKarn: if you're searching for a file within a package that you might not have installed, "apt-file search" is what you want
[01:18] <dooglus_> TheKarn: you'll want to "apt-file update" first
[01:19] <TheKarn> ok ... i'm looking for JAVA SDK ... but its not there :(
[01:19] <dooglus_> apt-cache search will search for package names, not file names
[01:19] <bulletbrain> weee, new version of WINE out today
[01:19] <bystander> !restricted
[01:19] <ubotu> restricted is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:19] <oofnik> Wa77z what card do you have
[01:19] <bystander> TheKarn: read ubotu's URL
[01:19] <bulletbrain> among the new feature in today's WINE release: "Initial support for webcams" wow.. didn't expect that
[01:19] <chombee> oofnik - yeah, things are missing from the menus, what is in the menus doesn't always match what the editors think is in the menus, some stuff appears in more than one menu even though it shouldn't
[01:19] <Wa77z> i have onbaord sound on a ATI mobo
[01:20] <oofnik> chombe do you have smeg installed
[01:20] <Augusto> hola
[01:20] <TheKarn> bystander, "There are detailed instructions for installing Sun's [Java]  available." ... but where?
[01:20] <chombee> oofnik - yeah, also tried another one before that
[01:20] <bystander> !java
[01:20] <ubotu> from memory, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java
[01:20] <Augusto> hay alguna persona latinoamericana?
[01:21] <sara_poo> is it possible i don't have a window manager?  Where is gnome-start ?
[01:21] <sara_poo> start-gnome ?
[01:21] <bulletbrain> TheKarn, planet ubuntu had a small piece on that the other day
[01:21] <oofnik> chombee, unfortunately i don't know what to do, sorry :-/
[01:21] <oofnik> sara_poo /etc/init.d/gdm start should do it
[01:21] <chombee> oofnik - thanks anyway
[01:21] <oofnik> yup
[01:21] <sara_poo> oofnik: i have to use a login manager?  I'd prefer not to
[01:21] <dooglus_> sara_poo: you don't have to, no.
[01:22] <Augusto> soy el unico argentino?
[01:22] <bystander> sara_poo: startx `which gnome-session`
[01:22] <sara_poo> i'm sorry guys, but if i could just get X running i could RTFM a bit better then in this tty with 80x30 chars
[01:22] <dooglus_> gnome-session is /usr/bin/gnome-session
[01:22] <chope> augusto yo soy uruguayo si sirve de consuelo
[01:22] <Augusto> jajaja
[01:23] <TheKarn> o.0 deb command not found
[01:23] <bystander> dooglus_: yeah, backticks cut down on typing ;)
[01:23] <Augusto> que haces vecino???
[01:23] <orso> i must say i start to like debian
[01:23] <Augusto> somos los unicos
[01:23] <dooglus_> bystander: I don't like backticks.  I much prefer $(...)
[01:23] <TheKarn> if it wasnt for the awquard install i'd prefer gentoo :(
[01:23] <bystander> dooglus_: true, easier to read as well
[01:23] <chope> esto es mas bien de los angloparlantes
[01:23] <Augusto> blanco y azul, son los colores del glorioso liverpool
[01:23] <forsaken|lappy> does anyone know why ubuntu wouldn't be configuring my ps2 mouse correctly?
[01:24] <oofnik> sara_poo i don't know how to start gnome without gdm..
[01:24] <dooglus_> bystander: and they avoid issues with quoting, and they also nest nicely
[01:24] <forsaken|lappy> (it doesn't even turn on (optical))
[01:24] <Augusto> no hay otro igual, en la republica oriental del uruguay
[01:24] <bystander> dooglus_: all true!
[01:24] <Wa77z> i need help getting sound to work ..i have onbaord on a ATI mobo...sound works randomly and is mostly broken
[01:24] <dooglus_> bystander: is there some way of using backticks inside an irc client?  I'm guessing you though that I did a `type gnome-session` or something?
[01:25] <dooglus_> (whereas really I just copy-and-pasted with the mouse)
[01:25] <bystander> dooglus_: I don't know - haven't tried it :)
[01:26] <bystander> /usr/bin/gnome-session
[01:26] <oofnik> Wa77z what happens when you try alsamixer
[01:26] <bystander> dooglus_: yup
[01:26] <Wa77z> it comes up with my color bar graphs
[01:26] <bystander> works with /exec -o echo `which gnome-session`
[01:26] <dooglus_> can anyone help me with this?  I'm used to being able to run "ssh-agent", use "ssh-add" to add my key to it, then ssh onto a whole chain of boxes and have none of them ask me for my password.
[01:27] <oofnik> look for something called IEC958
[01:27] <oofnik> if alsamixer comes up, it means alsa is working
[01:27] <dooglus_> but it's not working from this pc.  I can log onto the first box without a password, but once I'm there, SSH_AUTH_SOCK isn't set
[01:27] <Wa77z> i dont see anything of that sort
[01:27] <james_ed> question...
[01:28] <james_ed> hello btw all
[01:28] <Wa77z> well i am just plain out confused
[01:28] <james_ed> i have a p95F viewsonic...
[01:29] <TheKarn> what is the problem with the Java in ubuntu? i know its restricted but why? gentoo seems to have no problem :S
[01:29] <james_ed> the login screen has vertical freaky lines...but when login...lines clear up...
[01:29] <oofnik> Wa77z what happens when you try to play sounds, and what programs are you using?
[01:29] <bulletbrain> TheKarn, if you install it correctly there is no problem
[01:29] <Wa77z> i have used gaim
[01:30] <Wa77z> the IM sounds work some of the time
[01:30] <Wa77z> mostly broken though
[01:30] <oofnik> have you tried xmms?
[01:30] <bystander> TheKarn: licensing issues I guess: you'd have to ask Canonical I suppose
[01:30] <oofnik> i had to configure gaim to use ALSA
[01:30] <stazz> TheKarn: gentoo kinda has a way around it :)
[01:30] <Wa77z> i dont know what that is..i would have to say no
[01:30] <TheKarn> bulletbrain, ok ... well i'm on a livecd so i dont want to waste time downloading and installing. i just wanted to see how easy apt-get was to use and what was available
[01:30] <stazz> TheKarn: the gentoo policy is a much looser policy
[01:31] <bulletbrain> TheKarn, how are you liking the livecd?
[01:31] <TheKarn> bulletbrain, nice and clean install but nothing special from what i can see.
[01:32] <TheKarn> bulletbrain, i'm missing my emerge :) but its nice not to have a lengthy install
[01:32] <james_ed> when i create an additional user...the lines won't go away even after logging in
[01:32] <oofnik> Wa77z xmms is basically the linux winamp
[01:32] <bulletbrain> TheKarn, :)
[01:32] <oofnik> Wa77z try some other sound enabled programs
[01:32] <Wa77z> let me try it
[01:32] <bulletbrain> TheKarn, I've never tried the livecd
[01:32] <Wa77z> i am inMusic Player Right Now
[01:32] <TheKarn> bulletbrain, well ... was all going well till now ... i cant load firefox =S
[01:32] <oofnik> is it working?
[01:33] <oofnik> Wa77z check out this FAQ for gaim http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php#q23
[01:33] <Wa77z> its buffering
[01:33] <Wa77z> lol
[01:33] <Wa77z> i dont have any songs
[01:33] <oofnik> oh ok
[01:33] <Wa77z> yes it is
[01:33] <Wa77z> it works
[01:33] <Wa77z> has not broken yet
[01:34] <oofnik> ok good
[01:34] <oofnik> check out that FAQ i posted, i've got to go though so good luck, later everyone
[01:34] <Wa77z> later
[01:34] <TheKarn> ok really not going well now ... nautilus has crashed =S
[01:34] <TheKarn> "yay ubuntu"
[01:34] <Wa77z> any one got any good suggestions for FTP software
[01:35] <sara_poo> x froze up again on startx :(
[01:35] <Cervantes_> I've a question for all the good people here: when I plug my USB key into my computer, will it automount it?  If so, where?  If not, how do I mount it manually?  Thanks :)
[01:35] <Augusto> chope is gay
[01:36] <sara_poo> Cervantes_: depends on udev, most likely will mount it.  watch your dmesg and see what device it gets connected as, do a fdisk -l /dev/sda (example) to see the partitions available to mount, and configure udev (unless automatically done for you)
[01:36] <Augusto> and he se la morfa
[01:36] <holycow> http://www.nokia770.com/   <-- the have a live cd for the nokia 770
[01:36] <sara_poo> Cervantes_: but don't listen to me, cause i can't get x to work
[01:36] <holycow> "CD is based on Benix which is based on Kanotix which is based on Knoppix which is based on Debian"
[01:36] <holycow> wow
[01:36] <holycow> finally a company that gets linux
[01:36] <holycow> *sniff*
[01:36] <james_ed> vertical line issue on login screen issue...any suggestions?
[01:37] <Augusto> i dont know any people
[01:37] <jpie> Hi. Is ubuntu easier to install for newer users? I am having several problems with debian, and no one will guide me to fix them. I tried Ubuntu but was having problems with the installer. If I explain the problem can someone try and tell me what to do?
[01:37] <Augusto> can you help me?
[01:37] <dooglus_> aah - I worked out my ssh-agent issue.  you have to put "ForwardAgent yes" in ~/.ssh/config to get ssh to pass ssh-agent details on to the hosts it connects to.
[01:37] <dooglus_> (just for the record)
[01:37] <Cervantes_> Thanks sara_poo.  Unfortunately, you lost me pretty quickly.  :(  Could you elaborate a little on "dmseg" and "udev"
[01:38] <Augusto> i am argentino
[01:38] <dooglus_> jpie: you could ask, and see if we can help
[01:38] <jpie> okeys. Gimme a sec. going to load up the disk.
[01:38] <Augusto> my mother lo sigue always
[01:38] <bystander> Augusto: try /join #ubuntu-es
[01:38] <bassinboy> what program to use to play .mov ?
[01:39] <Wa77z> are there p2p apps for linux ?
[01:39] <sara_poo> Cervantes_: make sure your device is unplugged
[01:39] <sara_poo> Wa77z: yup
[01:39] <sara_poo> Cervantes_: and do a dmesg
[01:39] <sara_poo> Cervantes_: then plug it in, and do dmesg again
[01:39] <bassinboy> Wa77z: Windows aint got nothin on Linux when it comes to apps
[01:39] <parabolize> bassinboy: xine or mplayer.
[01:39] <Cervantes_> okay, I'll try that sara_poo
[01:39] <sara_poo> Cervantes_: thats your system recognizing it, prolly as sd something
[01:39] <sara_poo> Cervantes_: my ipod is sda
[01:39] <bassinboy> parabolize: tansk
[01:39] <jpie> ...
[01:40] <tman> Hey ookii are you in here?
[01:40] <sara_poo> Cervantes_: my usb key is sdb, and my removeable hd is sdc
[01:40] <Wa77z> lol
[01:40] <Wa77z> sweet..dude..my sound is still broken
[01:40] <Wa77z> wtf
[01:40] <Cervantes_> sara_poo: Slow down a sec. ;)  How do I "do dmesg".  Are we talking in the terminal?
[01:40] <sara_poo> Wa77z: limewire, amule, xmule, gift-box, etc.
[01:40] <jpie> Okay, this is stupid. Now that I installed a bad version of Debian, I have GRUB, and it doesnt check to see if CD-Rom will be bootable. Itj ust goes straight to GRUB and its annoying the crap out of me. Can anyone help? I just need to uninstall GRUB or Debian atleast. I am a complete newbie to linux just trying to test it out on a different comp.
[01:40] <sara_poo> Cervantes_: yup, type 'dmesg'
[01:40] <sara_poo> in terminal
[01:40] <Wa77z> whats ur fav
[01:41] <sara_poo> Wa77z: itunes :)
[01:41] <Cervantes_> sara_poo: That's what I figured.  Except, it says the command is not found.  I'm on 4.10
[01:41] <Wa77z> ya..sure
[01:41] <holycow> jpie, that has nothing to do with grub
[01:41] <jpie> people tell me to just reboot andp ut cd in drive, but it doesnt work. GRUB is taking over the first to boot.
[01:41] <Wa77z> u got i tunes hack
[01:41] <holycow> jpie, thats a bios setting
[01:41] <jpie> Bios is set to have CDrom drive first.
[01:41] <dooglus_> jpie: did you look at your BIOS settings?  in there you can tell it to boot from the CD first
[01:41] <sara_poo> dmesg
[01:41] <tman> I need help with libdvdcss library not being recognized.  Any takers?
[01:41] <dooglus_> jpie: aah.
[01:41] <dooglus_> jpie: have you ever been able to boot from the CD?
[01:41] <jpie> cdroim 1st, floppy 2nd, HDD 3rd,
[01:41] <jpie> Yes
[01:42] <sara_poo> Cervantes_: dmesg is in /bin  should be in every users path
[01:42] <jpie> before i installed debian/grub..
[01:42] <bassinboy> parabolize: xine crashes ><
[01:42] <jpie> did it late last night so didnt get to play with it much. Now I come back today and nothing works..
[01:42] <holycow> jpie, it still has nothing to do with grub
[01:42] <holycow> jpie, it means either your cdrom is bad, or your cdrom is not recognized properly
[01:42] <parabolize> bassinboy: http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[01:42] <dooglus_> jpie: I ask because I had the same problem a couple of weeks ago.  that was on a computer with a DVD and a CDROM on the same IDE cable.  The DVD was the 'master', and wouldn't boot.  I switched the jumpers on both drivers, so the CDROM was the master, and after that I could boot the ubuntu install disk.
[01:42] <holycow> jpie, grub only gives you the debian options ONCE THE BIOS HAS DECIDED TO BOOT FROM THE HD
[01:43] <jpie> How does it not have anything to do with GRUB? GRUB will not let me boot from cddrive. whenever i start up it goes straight to GRUB..
[01:43] <bassinboy> man every freakin  program has crashed on me... i didn't know ubuntu was this bad
[01:43] <WMCoolmon> does anyone know why two separate network cards (a linksys and a d-link) wouldn't work under kubuntu?
[01:43] <holycow> oh what dooglus said, check cable thats one most newbs miss
[01:43] <Cervantes_> sara_poo:  Oh okay, didn't know I had to cd.  Thanks, I'll try matching these messages up now
[01:43] <jpie> I only have 1 optical drive...
[01:43] <budluva> WMCoolmon, dont know, but i run 2 nics in my ubuntu box no problems
[01:43] <dooglus_> jpie: I couldn't work out how to take the drives out, so I spent a few hours with a pair of tweezers and a torch to switch the jumpers over.  most fun I've had in months.
[01:43] <holycow> jpie, we don't like repeating our selves, primarily because we don't go out of our way to lie to you
[01:43] <sara_poo> Cervantes_: you don't have to cd.  It should be in your path
[01:43] <sara_poo> ok, i've commented everything basically out of my xorg.conf, going to go crash X again with my tricky nvidia card.  ?
[01:44] <holycow> jpie, yes, its a bios/hardware/cdrom issue, grub only comes in to give youd ebian ONLY options ONCE THE BIOS BRINGS UP THE HD
[01:44] <dooglus_> jpie: try booting from a CD that you know that drive can boot from.  I know that some drives won't boot the ubuntu CD, even though they'll boot other CDs
[01:44] <jpie> okay, so why does it skip the cdrom? It didnt do it before i installed debian to the harddrive.
[01:44] <dooglus_> jpie: on the same disk?
[01:44] <holycow> jpie, BECAUSE YOUR CDROM ISN'T BEING RECOGNIZED, YOUR CD IS BAD, YOUR CDROM IDE CABLE IS FAULTY
[01:44] <bassinboy> parabolize: link doesn't seem to work, check it
[01:44] <jpie> It booted ubuntu cd, debian cd, or any other cd, before debian installed. I havent changed anything.
[01:45] <sara_poo> what file can i change to lower my runlevel, so gdm doesn't kick off at boot time?
[01:45] <holycow> your jumper settings on your devices are wrong
[01:45] <sara_poo> or xdm, or whatever that thing is
[01:45] <jpie> Okay
[01:45] <holycow> grub has NOTHIGN TO DO WITH BOOTING OFF THE CDROM
[01:45] <bystander> jpie: you don't seem to be paying attention...
[01:45] <bassinboy> parabolize: nvm, it was my browser
[01:45] <parabolize> bassinboy: yes it works
[01:45] <holycow> sorry, just wanted to make that lear :)
[01:45] <jpie> I most certainly am..
[01:45] <jpie> But everything was FINE
[01:45] <dooglus_> it's unlikely to be any of those 3, holycow?  he used to be able to boot the ubuntu cd, and hasn't changed anything.
[01:45] <jpie> before
[01:45] <holycow> dooglus_, it most certainly is
[01:46] <holycow> grub has nothing to do with booting off the cdrom
[01:46] <jpie> and now I cant choose anything but to boot debian
[01:46] <jpie> -NOTHING- has changed.
[01:46] <sara_poo> dooglus_: if your bios is set to look at your cdrom first, it won't see your mbr at all
[01:46] <bystander> jpie: then something has gone wrong with your BIOS or hardware
[01:46] <dooglus_> jpie: did you open the machine?
[01:46] <jpie> machine is opened all the time.
[01:46] <sara_poo> dooglus_: it'll be looking at the mbr on your cdrom, did grub right to that? (neat trick...)
[01:46] <sara_poo> *write
[01:46] <biffurt> can anyone tell me how I can find out what type of audio I'm using? I'm trying to configure wxvlc, but I can't get the audio working
[01:46] <biffurt> It works fine in other applications
[01:46] <dooglus_> sara_poo: what do you mean?
[01:47] <dooglus_> sara_poo: did you mean to address that to jpie?
[01:47] <sara_poo> dooglus_: yup, sorry
[01:47] <dooglus_> ok
[01:47] <sara_poo> jpie: look up
[01:47] <sara_poo> :)
[01:47] <jpie> i'll go Okay....bios is set for the cdrom drive first
[01:47] <jpie> hd last
[01:47] <calc> "The Java Desktop System will continue to exist as a product, but now chiefly as software based on Sun's Solaris operating system and directed at programmers,"  seems Ubuntu killed JDS ;)
[01:48] <holycow> jpie, check yoru cdrom jumper settings, try anoter ide cable
[01:48] <dooglus_> will debian kill ubuntu now that they're releasing again?
[01:48] <jpie> bios has been saved countless amounts of times that way, and hasnt changed.
[01:48] <holycow> jpie, lots of things can go wrong to trick the bios into not 'seeing' your cdrom of boot partition on the cd it self
[01:48] <holycow> dooglus_, thats a stupid thing to say
[01:49] <sara_poo> jpie: it's probably not a bootable cd, or a _damaged_ bootable cd
[01:49] <holycow> dooglus_, the relationship is symbiotic
[01:49] <dooglus_> holycow: there are no stupid questions.  just stupid people.
[01:49] <Cervantes_> sara_poo: dmesg gives me a really long list.  What should I be looking for in particular?  I notice there's a lot of "Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block ..." and some other things with sda, even though my usb key is plugged in.  I've tried doing some things with mount; maybe that messed something up.
[01:49] <holycow> no thats a stupid question
[01:49] <jpie> err. okay...I know what a jumper is, but donno where its found. I'll pull comp over here and look. Also, my IDE cable is hooked to my hd & cd drive
[01:49] <sara_poo> Cervantes_: what filesystem is your usb key?
[01:49] <bystander> holycow: I suspect it was rhetorical
[01:49] <holycow> ah :) then i withdraw if so
[01:49] <Cervantes_> FAT, I believe
[01:50] <cafuego> yes, I'm with Debian and in weeks time we're going to find Ubuntu users and kill them with pitchforks.
[01:50] <Cervantes_> sara_poo: FAT, I believe. I can plug it into my windows machine if need be to check
[01:50] <dooglus_> no, it was asked out of ignorance.  I've been using mandrake for a couple of years and am really quite new to the whole .deb thing
[01:50] <Mez> :P
[01:50] <holycow> thats okay, ubuntu and debian are NOT in competition
[01:50] <Mez> CoC people
[01:50] <airmikey> need to find out how much ram is installed ,and how much is being used
[01:51] <dooglus_> i read somewhere that a lot of people started using ubuntu because debian was taking so long to release sarge.  I'm wondering if the release of sarge will draw people back to debian, away from ubuntu
[01:51] <Cervantes_> sara_poo: Yep, it's FAT.  Just checked
[01:51] <holycow> ubuntu just freezes debian unstable every 6 months and polishes it up for a Desktop system
[01:51] <cafuego> airmikey: 'free'
[01:51] <biffurt> can anyone tell me how I can find out what type of audio I'm using? I'm trying to configure wxvlc, but I can't get the audio working
[01:51] <dao> hey
[01:51] <dao> i got a question
[01:51] <bystander> airmikey: cat /proc/meminfo
[01:51] <dao> i just installed ubuntu, and it never asked to set up a root password
[01:51] <calc> holycow: except for the part about debian unstable being out of date ;)
[01:51] <holycow> which happens to be a very SPECIAL instance of a distro, debian is a little more generic and you can do a lot more with it but it rerquires a lot more elbow grease too
[01:51] <calc> holycow: eg xorg
[01:51] <dao> ... im a gentoo user.. just switched over to try it out
[01:51] <jpie> okay
[01:51] <sara_poo> how do i set gdm to not run at boot time?  I think i need to lower my run level?
[01:51] <dao> anyone heard of this situation?
[01:51] <jpie> can i get a second ide cable
[01:52] <sara_poo> Cervantes_: what message do you get when you try to mount it?
[01:52] <jpie> and plug the cddrive into a second ide slot on the mobo?
[01:52] <holycow> calc, hehe, *nod* i'm glossing over that with 'elbow grease' :)
[01:52] <calc> dao: there is no root password
[01:52] <holycow> they will get there, debian should not be interefered with tho, they do great work
[01:52] <dao> what the....
[01:52] <bystander> sara_poo: edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager and comment it out
[01:52] <dao> how can there be no root?
[01:52] <Mez> dooglus_ debian and ubuntu are working really well together, ubuntu takes a lot from debian, but it's also giving back for the simple fact that when ubuntu devs fix bugs, they send them back to be fixed in debain/upstream - which contributes to the community as a whole... I think debian and ubuntu work well togehter... :D
[01:52] <calc> dao: root is locked out by default and the main user has sudo access
[01:52] <dao> hmm...
[01:52] <dao> so ... how do i get root?
[01:52] <Mez> dao: have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[01:52] <dooglus_> dao "sudo -s"
[01:52] <sara_poo> dao: you have to hack it
[01:53] <holycow> what mez said, please note: ubuntu freezes debian unstable EVERY 6 MONTHS
[01:53] <sara_poo> dao: to probe yourself to the ubuntu gods
[01:53] <calc> i do sudo su -, but there are probably other ways
[01:53] <dao> what the
[01:53] <Mez> holycow... not exactly... but thereabouts
[01:53] <sara_poo> did debian users steal the root user or somethign?
[01:53] <dao> kinda odd isnt it?
[01:53] <holycow> outside of a number of customizations that are added on later, it is defacto debian by virtue of its dev process
[01:53] <dao> cuz sudo -s asked for a password
[01:53] <airmikey> cafuego: thx
[01:53] <sara_poo> dao: just sudo everything
[01:53] <dooglus_> holycow: when did/will breezy freeze debian stable?
[01:53] <airmikey> bystander:thx
[01:53] <calc> dao: the password sudo asks for is your own
[01:53] <Cervantes_> sara_poo: That depends on what I type in when trying to mount it.  The first thing I tried (found some code at ubuntuforums.org) was "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb
[01:53] <dao> SUDO asks for a password
[01:54] <bystander> airmikey: no problem :)
[01:54] <dao> and i dont know the root password...
[01:54] <holycow> dooglus_, check ubuntu website, schedule is on there
[01:54] <airmikey> how much is  906660
[01:54] <dooglus_> dao it wants your password, not root's
[01:54] <dao> mine doesnt work
[01:54] <Mez> dao - sudo asks for the current users password as a reaffirmation that someone hasnt just walked up and typesd "sudop" bla!"
[01:54] <sara_poo> dao: Cervantes_ what ddi that say?
[01:54] <Cervantes_> sara_poo: Typing that yields: mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
[01:54] <dooglus_> Mez: only if nobody used sudo in the last 5 (?) minutes
[01:54] <sara_poo> Cervantes_: try sda2
[01:54] <dao> nvm i hacked this thing ;)
[01:54] <dao> thanks
[01:54] <dooglus_> Mez: otherwise it doesn't ask them
[01:54] <calc> dao: is the user you are logged in as the user you created during install?
[01:54] <dao> bbl
[01:54] <sara_poo> Cervantes_: try this too:  fdisk -l /dev/sda
[01:55] <sara_poo> Cervantes_: that will list the partitions on /dev/sda
[01:55] <Mez> true dooglus - but that's something that cna be easily changed if you're scared ;)
[01:55] <dao> i was baffled by this lol.. first linux distro with no root that ive used
[01:55] <calc> dao: the only person with sudo access by default on an ubuntu install is the user created during install
[01:55] <dao> no "root".. as in, you set it up that way
[01:55] <holycow> dooglus_, of course, don't be repeating anything i told you about ubuntu in #debian, they would be *cough* highly offended *cough*
[01:55] <holycow> hehe :)
[01:55] <sara_poo> ok, off to crash x again
[01:55] <sara_poo> Cervantes_: i'll be back in a minute
[01:55] <Cervantes_> sara_poo: Tried the fdisk and it did not return anything
[01:55] <biffurt> can anyone tell me how I can find out what type of audio I'm using? I'm trying to configure wxvlc, but I can't get the audio working
[01:55] <Cervantes_> sara_poo: ok
[01:55] <Mez> sara_poo, updating to breezy ? :P
[01:55] <dooglus_> holycow: is it just me, or is the ubuntu website very hard to find anything on?
[01:55] <ookii> i think about about to move back to deb (based on someone's reccomendation in this channel actually), is it going to be really hard to get to where ubuntu is upon normal installation?
[01:55] <sara_poo> Mez: no, just new to ubuntu, and for some reason X crashes on login
[01:55] <puddleboy> i am fairly certain my dog is indeed retarded.
[01:55] <dooglus_> holycow: I find the easiest way to nagivate it is by using google!
[01:55] <ookii> bah i'm about
[01:55] <holycow> dooglus_, not you, google the site, its easier
[01:56] <sara_poo> Mez: gdm works, np, but i type a username/password then my system freezes
[01:56] <Mez> ah sounds fun sara_poo have you tried reconfiguring X ?
[01:56] <holycow>  lol yeah :)
[01:56] <Cervantes_> What does sda mean, btw?
[01:56] <dooglus_> holycow: it's a pretty site, but a nagivational nightmare
[01:56] <sara_poo> Mez: i just commented out 1/2 of my xorg.conf, all modules, etc.
[01:56] <sara_poo> Cervantes_: 'scsi devia a i think?
[01:56] <Mez> hmm - not good idea sara_poo you shoudlktn edit it manually
[01:56] <sara_poo> Cervantes_: it's scsi emulation i think
[01:56] <Mez> if yous till need help after - PM me and I'll try help youk sara_poo
[01:57] <Cervantes_> sara_poo ooh ok :)
[01:57] <sara_poo> Mez: ok, thanks for the help
[01:57] <holycow> dooglus_, well yeah i guess, but i'm not one to complain.  perhaps a good cms is called for, i donno
[01:57] <jpie> omg okay
[01:57] <jpie> its at the ubuntu screen.
[01:57] <jpie> I switched the ide cable around
[01:57] <dooglus_> holycow: even a google search for "site:www.ubuntulinux.org breezy" doesn't find the date that breezy was/(will be) frozen
[01:57] <Mez> dooglus: rthat would be becaus eit's on udu.wiki.ubuntu.com
[01:57] <Mez> or udu.ubuntu.com/wiki
[01:58] <Mez> July 7th = upstream version freeze (ish)
[01:58] <Mez> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[01:58] <jpie> however. The last time i installed, it stopped on opening a package. went to 1%, then screen reset, and it tried opening the same package again, after going to 1%, it reset monitor. it did this about 15-20 times, and then just sat at a blank screen with blinking cursor.
[01:58] <holycow> dooglus_, i think there may be an overall 'good' idea behind the organization of ubuntu, i haven't clued into it yet, i'm too busy using it to do work on
[01:58] <holycow> :)
[01:58] <dao> cant apt-get install fluxbox eh
[01:58] <dao> :(
[01:59] <LexiCon[gsr-dj] > ok...can anyone help me set up my ethernet card? it wasn't detected by the system when I installed :(
[01:59] <jpie> Anyone in reference to what problem I am having?
[01:59] <Mez> dao - yes you can
[01:59] <dao> how do i update the application list?
[01:59] <holycow> dooglus_, mostly tho next version of ubuntu isn't as important as the next versions of say open office, gnome, kde, and other biggies.  gnome 2.10 has really made me love desktop linux
[01:59] <Mez> dao - but ti's in universe
[01:59] <dao> so how do i do it?
[01:59] <holycow> LexiCon[gsr-dj] , do you know what model and make the nic is?
[02:00] <holycow> LexiCon[gsr-dj] , generally if debian/ubuntu don't detect it, it means its obscure and not supported
[02:00] <Juhaz> holycow, hardly anyone is going to install those by hand, though, so distros are just as important in getting the "biggies" to users
[02:00] <chromate> has anybody else noticed that the torrents are not working?
[02:00] <Mez> dao: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:00] <Mez> it t will have instructions tin there
[02:01] <holycow> Juhaz, *nod* good point agreed
[02:01] <holycow> chromate, what do you mean?
[02:01] <dao> k
[02:01] <chromate> holycow: problem connecting to tracker
[02:01] <dao> wtf
[02:02] <dao> apt-get kinda blows compared to emerge
[02:02] <holycow> chromate, not sure torrent clients here work great, trackers die all the time
[02:02] <dao> doesnt even see eterm :/
[02:02] <Mez> how so dao ?
[02:02] <dao> apt-get install eterm
[02:02] <holycow> are we downloading maybe something we shouldn't be?
[02:02] <holycow> :)
[02:02] <dao> doesnt get eterm for me
[02:02] <holycow> first its sudo apt-get install eterm
[02:02] <twb_> how do i insttall new gpu drivers?
[02:02] <holycow> secon you need to search for the name
[02:02] <chromate> holycow: so are there other trackers with the ubuntu cds?
[02:02] <holycow> try apt-cache search eterm
[02:02] <bystander> dao: that isn't apt - that's your lack of repositories
[02:02] <dao> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:02] <dao> E: Couldn't find package eter
[02:02] <dao> ah
[02:02] <holycow> third eterm may not be in the main repositories
[02:03] <dao> i see.. how do i get more then?
[02:03] <Mez> again dao - eterm is in universe
[02:03] <holycow> go to /etc/apt/sources.list and enable the universe repositories
[02:03] <holycow> then sudo apt-get update
[02:03] <holycow> apt-cache search eterm
[02:03] <twb_> anyone know of some tutorials for Ubuntu?
[02:03] <Mez> dao  - edit /etc/apt/sources.list - it gives you instructions in there to edit certian lines to enable universe
[02:03] <holycow> sudo apt-get install etermpackagewhateveritscalled
[02:03] <Mez> twb_ http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:03] <FlannelKing> it's just eterm
[02:03] <twb_> ty
[02:03] <holycow> dao, in otherwords, learn to use the tool before complaining
[02:03] <dao> true
[02:04] <dao> still dumb that it doesnt have such a widely used program though
[02:04] <holycow> not dumb
[02:04] <holycow> there are reasons
[02:04] <dao> not even aterm
[02:04] <dao> :|
[02:04] <dao> lol
[02:04] <holycow> primarily there is a ctuoff point for support
[02:04] <FlannelKing> it does have it though, just not supported by Ubuntu
[02:04] <dao> i just gotta get used to it
[02:04] <bystander> dao: it does - you just didn't know how to find it
[02:04] <holycow> ubuntu officially supports 2k packages for which you can buy support
[02:04] <holycow> eterm just isn't on that list
[02:04] <dao> i could just go to sourceforge.net
[02:04] <jpie> Okay. When installing ubuntu im having a problem with "Unpacking scsi-extra-modules-2.6.10.5-386" the file goes to 1%, then screen flickers, and it restarts recieving/unpacking the file. I tried on two other discs, and the same thing happened. It does this 15-20 times, then it sits at black screen with a blinking cursor in the bottom left hand corner of screen.
[02:04] <Mez> dao: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view for more details
[02:04] <holycow> or you can use gentoo
[02:04] <dao> but i dont wanna, thats why i'd use somethin like emerge
[02:04] <dao> k thanks
[02:05] <dao> :)
[02:05] <Mez> dao - if you want to use emerge - get gentoo
[02:05] <dao> ive been using it for a LONG time
[02:05] <bystander> dao: you just need to configure it is all
[02:05] <dao> heard good things about this
[02:05] <dao> roger... will do
[02:05] <dao> ;)
[02:05] <sara_poo> portage on ubuntu?
[02:05] <sara_poo> sounds spooky
[02:05] <dao> lol
[02:05] <holycow> dao, well then learn to use the tool, and learn to understand the why and when and how
[02:06] <Mez> yeah sara_poo someone requested a backport of it earlier
[02:06] <holycow> if you want gentoo use that, why expect gentoo type nonsense on ubuntu?
[02:06] <jpie> Anyone know?
[02:06] <sara_poo> it would be simplier to create your own .deb's i would guess
[02:06] <holycow> jpie, what kind of hardware do you have on your machine?
[02:06] <sara_poo> I just came from gentoo, i lost my patience for compiling from source for everything
[02:06] <sara_poo> and wanted to try something new
[02:06] <Wa77z> what do yall think of the qtella file sharing app
[02:06] <Mez> jpie - your best bet is to email cjwatson@ubuntu.com
[02:06] <holycow> jpie, i've had one debian install fail for someone in the netherlands on some obscure scsi/mobo related issues
[02:06] <alberto_> my sound card still not working........ what does this message mean ?
[02:06] <biffurt> sorry to keep spamming, but can anyone tell me how I can find out what type of audio I'm using? I'm trying to configure wxvlc, but I can't get the audio working
[02:07] <twb_> anyone know of a way to modify folders, i.e (windows) My computer>C:>Networx (instead of Program files)???
[02:07] <xxtreme> sara_poo= is gentoo really worth it
[02:07] <jpie> pentium sempron i think, 433mhz, 128mb ram, 12g harddrive, some other stuff..
[02:07] <biffurt> I thought it was oss, but it's asking me for a dsp. But there's no dsp in /dev/, I'm compltely lost.
[02:07] <holycow> bystander, me too, there are like 5 commands or so that you need to know
[02:07] <holycow> bystander, its like trivial to use
[02:07] <Mez> twb_ what? this is linux - not windows - the filesystems w3ork differently
[02:07] <sara_poo> xxtreme: I have no problems with gentoo, but I'm here.   I used debian a few years ago, and it seems ubuntu has fixed many of the reasons i switched from debian... so i'm back
[02:07] <dao> i was surprised how easy the installation was
[02:07] <vi4m> hello, my nxclient displays plain form with one button (on Ubuntu 5.04 Hoary) installed from backports ... is it known bug ?
[02:07] <dao> wow.. and fast
[02:07] <sara_poo> xxtreme: gentoo is good, but portage is not flawless.  You can get yourself into trouble with it.
[02:08] <sara_poo> xxtreme: and its slow
[02:08] <holycow> jpie, no scsi hardware?
[02:08] <sara_poo> xxtreme: compile kde-base from source Zzzzzzzzzzzz........
[02:08] <Mez> vi4m - what was hte package name ?
[02:08] <dao> dont know why fluxbox install wont work from source either :S
[02:08] <jpie> err, What would scsi hardware be? Sorry. Im oblivious to everything atm. Too many things going on at the house to think..
[02:08] <twb_> Mez: i know, maybe i lost ya on that one, i meant, could i set up /networx? cuz everytime i  dl something it goes to desktop and i hate things on my desktop
[02:08] <Mez> dao - It's really simple
[02:08] <Mez> I ahte haveing to do this but
[02:09] <absinthe_> I've decided to distro-hop for awhile. Any distro-reccomendations?
[02:09] <vi4m> Mez: freenx
[02:09] <xxtreme> sara_poo= I often think about gentoo, and should I try it, but I hear its hard, I love ubuntu, especiall kde 3.4, I came over from BDS, Redhat, Mandrake, and Yoper
[02:09] <holycow> jpie, scsi hard drive as opposed to ide hard drive, usually its faster, smaller, noisier and more reliable
[02:09] <Mez> dao: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[02:09] <holycow> or scsi cdrom
[02:09] <bystander> dao: and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[02:09] <holycow> jpie, just curious, how did you get it to boot of cdrom?
[02:09] <LexiCon[gsr-dj] > holycow: there's been a bunch of Marvell Yukon drivers floating around
[02:09] <FlannelKing> Its got a smaller cable, instead of a big ribbon
[02:09] <jpie> My CD drive is on an ide cable, so is my harddrive. Is scsi like S/ATA?
[02:09] <Mez> twb_ have a look at edit-> preferences ->downloads in firefox
[02:09] <LexiCon[gsr-dj] > so I'm guessing this nic would use around the same drivers
[02:10] <Mez> it'll let you change wher eit downloads to there
[02:10] <sara_poo> xxtreme: it's worth a shot i guess.  I would think it's good for users who are patient and have a high attention to detail.  (slackware with package management)
[02:10] <holycow> LexiCon[gsr-dj] , its possible they aren't in debian :/ i don't know i've never heard of that before unfortunately
[02:10] <jpie> holycow: I flipped the ide cable around to have CDDrive on the end, and HDD in the middle.
[02:10] <holycow> jpie, heh, i've had similar situation
[02:10] <twb_> Mez: great thx
[02:11] <dao> ok
[02:11] <xxtreme> sara_poo, I had a lot of patience with BSD and Redhat, I'm very happy here, it just sits in the back of mind, thats all
[02:11] <absinthe_> Any distro reccomendations?
[02:11] <dao> will someone list ONE program that is up for apt-get install?
[02:11] <LexiCon[gsr-dj] > http://www.marvell.com/products/pcconn/yukon/index.jsp
[02:11] <jpie> it might just be problems with the crappy Compaq computer. they control everything. I cant do crap with the computer. No overclocking/voiding of warranties of any kind.
[02:11] <dao> cuz ... all the stuff i use isnt being found
[02:11] <holycow> dao, say what?
[02:11] <sara_poo> absinthe_: ubuntu
[02:11] <Mez> vi4m we havent had any bug reports about it yet... and it's in main backports - make a bug report topic here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=47
[02:11] <alberto_> how can i get kernel 2.6.10 from apt-get
[02:11] <sara_poo> dao: apt-get install vigor
[02:11] <holycow> dao, debian has 16 000 apps in repositores, as does ubuntu in universe
[02:11] <absinthe_> sara_poo, lol yeah I love Ubuntu but I want to experiment
[02:11] <xxtreme> sara_poo, im happy helping others with ubunta, and also learning more
[02:11] <dao> wtf is vigor lol
[02:11] <Mez> dao - try running synaptic, that will list them all for you
[02:11] <holycow> dao, i cannot believe you use such esoteric stuff that not even one would be found
[02:12] <dao> i enabled the universe thing.... :S
[02:12] <dao> still nada
[02:12] <bystander> dao: you've been told repeatedly how to fix your problem - if you don't want to, by all means use gentoo
[02:12] <holycow> then sudo apt-get update
[02:12] <xxtreme> sara_poo, thanks
[02:12] <holycow> you need to update the database
[02:12] <dao> mpg123.. fluxbox, eterm, aterm
[02:12] <sara_poo> absinthe_: check out #linuxhelp ?
[02:12] <dao> not esoteric
[02:12] <absinthe_> sara_poo, Ok thanks
[02:12] <holycow> then apt-cache search app <-- that searches the database, not apt repositories
[02:12] <SpecialBuddy> does anyone here know anyting about wine
[02:13] <twb_> Mez: another question, i just dl'ed new drivers for gpu, but when  open it it says "could not open file.."
[02:13] <jpie> so does my hardware have anything to do with the installation not completing on "Unpacking scsi-extra-modules-2.6.10.5-386" ?
[02:13] <holycow> robtaylor_, thats a fine name you got there
[02:13] <holycow> kinda like mine
[02:13] <holycow> :)
[02:13] <Mez> twb - probably a corrupt file, or in a format you dont have a progrM RO UAW
[02:13] <holycow> SpecialBuddy, i don't use it much, what do you need to know?
[02:14] <sara_poo> wow, x windows is pretty
[02:14] <twb_> mez: its a .run
[02:14] <sara_poo> woo hoo
[02:14] <holycow> dao, all that shit is there, you just need to learn apt, its like 6 commands or so, sheesh
[02:14] <Mez> hmm
[02:14] <sara_poo> DRI had to be commented out i think,  it was on Mode 0666 and that wasn't in my xorg.conf from my gentoo install
[02:14] <twb_> o me
[02:15] <jpie> If I install another distro, like Debian, will it automatically have a GUI? I didnt have problems with that before, but my apt stuff was messed up.
[02:15] <twb_> there a way to convert to diff. format?
[02:15] <holycow> jpie, if you select the desktop configuration yes
[02:15] <Mez> twb_ run files cause problems for me no matter what i do or what distro I use. I'd suggest trying a different format
[02:15] <SpecialBuddy> holycow, i just need to know why when I install something I can't seem to see the folder it was installed to
[02:15] <Wa77z> what is the .tar.gz file ext. is it like an .exe for windows..or like a .rar or what
[02:15] <jpie> okay. i'll try that. Ubuntu is just gonna have to wait till I get my cd's in :)
[02:16] <holycow> SpecialBuddy, what do you mean 'see folder'?
[02:16] <FlannelKing> wa77z its a gzip of a tar file, so it's like .zip
[02:16] <holycow> SpecialBuddy, most apps are spread accross the system, unlike windows
[02:16] <Wa77z> aight
[02:16] <holycow> SpecialBuddy, binary files are usually in /usr/bin
[02:16] <Wa77z> thank you
[02:16] <holycow> help files somewhere else, config stuff in /etc
[02:16] <holycow> and so on
[02:16] <sara_poo>  /clear
[02:16] <SogniX> anyone know how to get Window Maker to install on the current version of Ubuntu? I've not had any luck and I can't find help online - everything refers to an older version of Ubuntu.
[02:17] <SpecialBuddy> well I'm trying to install ares and I did install it and it works but I can't find any of my files
[02:17] <sara_poo> SogniX: i think you have to change your apt-get sources somehow, I'm working on that also
[02:17] <holycow> SpecialBuddy, what are you looking for exactly?
[02:17] <SogniX> I figured that, just not figured out to what :)
[02:18] <jpie> okay
[02:18] <SpecialBuddy> just mp3's or where they are being downloaded to
[02:18] <jpie> Ubuntu disc was just booting
[02:18] <jpie> but when i put debian disc in
[02:18] <FlannelKing> SogniX: WindowMaker is in universe
[02:18] <bystander> SogniX: uncomment universe lines in /etc/apt/sources.list, update, then install wmaker
[02:18] <jpie> It still is trying to boot GRUB...What is wrong with this thing? It got an error though
[02:19] <holycow> SpecialBuddy, you can do sudo updatedb
[02:19] <holycow> SpecialBuddy, that will update the locate db and then you can do locate filename
[02:19] <holycow> that will give you a really fast way to search for files
[02:19] <SpecialBuddy> ok
[02:19] <SogniX> I don't have universe in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:20] <holycow> yesh updatedb is a pain, someone is working on something called rlocate which caches files system info automatically, not sure if/when that will get into debian tho
[02:20] <bystander> SogniX: yes, you do if it's a default file - it even tells you how to uncomment them
[02:20] <SpecialBuddy> I just don't get it because I can see where ie and all of that stuff is located but ares isn't there
[02:20] <alberto_> Is there a different respocitory for apt-get, where i can get the kernel 2.6.10 using apt-get ?
[02:20] <bystander> SogniX: read the comments in the file
[02:20] <SogniX> it tells me to uncomment them - but they are missing... The file may have been overwritten.
[02:21] <Wa77z> ever since i upgraded my firefox in the updates section of ubuntu..i got an xml error
[02:21] <Wa77z> when i download something
[02:21] <FlannelKing> the kernal is in the base repo
[02:22] <holycow> SogniX, here is my sources.list file --> http://pastebin.ca/16216
[02:22] <bystander> SogniX: odd- in that case run `sudo apt-setup ` , then uncomment the lines (apt-setup will make a new file for you )
[02:22] <FlannelKing> alberto_: search for linux-image-2.6.10
[02:22] <Mez> alberto_,  ubuntu comes with 2.6.10 by default I think
[02:22] <SogniX> oh yeah - defenatly different than mine
[02:22] <holycow> oh what bystander said, that should work too
[02:23] <holycow> SpecialBuddy, not sure what you mean, which part don't you understand?
[02:23] <alberto_> nothing
[02:23] <alberto_> root@LapTors:~ # apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.10
[02:23] <alberto_> root@LapTors:~ #
[02:23] <SpecialBuddy> ok
[02:23] <SpecialBuddy> now stuff is showing up that wasn't there before
[02:23] <alberto_> i have 2.6.8
[02:23] <bystander> alberto_: apt-cache search linux-image
[02:23] <SpecialBuddy> so is that just refreshing the system
[02:23] <Mez> alberto_, it uses 2.6.10 as default
[02:24] <tony> HELP!!  I was using 1600x1200 resolution, after rebooting I only get 640x480...
[02:24] <bystander> alberto_: you are using warty then right?
[02:24] <holycow> SpecialBuddy, no, locate is an application, it doesn't search the system it searches its database
[02:24] <bystander> alberto_: cat /etc/issue to see
[02:24] <SpecialBuddy> no
[02:24] <SpecialBuddy> the other thing
[02:24] <holycow> SpecialBuddy, you need to do sudo updatedb to update the database
[02:24] <SogniX> is there anything I need to do to make the changes take effect - or will it work the next time I run apt-get?
[02:24] <SpecialBuddy> updateb
[02:24] <Bols> how can I install multiuniverse packages, plz?
[02:24] <alberto_> root@LapTors:~ # cat /etc/issue
[02:24] <alberto_> Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" \n \l
[02:25] <holycow> SpecialBuddy, way ahead of you :)
[02:25] <Mez> aha :D a warty user.
[02:25] <alberto_> :-/
[02:25] <Mez> I'd suggest upgrading to hoary if i were you alberto_
[02:25] <holycow> SogniX, you need to sudo apt-get update
[02:25] <tony> Can anyone help with my screen resolution prob?
[02:25] <SpecialBuddy> ok
[02:25] <holycow> SogniX, apt-get uses a database to store information about a repository
[02:25] <bystander> Bols: add the word "multiverse" to your universe lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:25] <norah> Anybody had troubling with acpi and Athlon XP-m ? I can modprobe the powernow-k7 og powernow-k8 module .
[02:25] <Mez> alberto - I'll PM you if thats ok and give help on how to upgrade?
[02:25] <alberto_> mez is there a howto on upgrading the distro ?
[02:25] <SpecialBuddy> thats good to know because now I can see the files and folders
[02:25] <alberto_> tMez thank you so much
[02:25] <SpecialBuddy> holycow, thanks
[02:25] <holycow> SogniX, in order for apt to know what to do you need to update the database when you add/modify repository information in sources.list
[02:26] <Bols> bystander, already tried that... but it doesn't seem to work :/
[02:26] <holycow> SpecialBuddy, no worries, just paying back what i recieved
[02:26] <bystander> Bols: did you run ` sudo apt-get update ` ?
[02:26] <tony> Can anyone see my post???
[02:26] <SpecialBuddy> well I was getting frustrated not knowing where it went
[02:26] <norah> My Athlon xp-m overheats and shuts down :'( can't modprobe powernow-k8
[02:27] <holycow> SpecialBuddy, sure, or how to find it, or why finding it is obscure, understood
[02:27] <Bols> bystander, yes.. I get this error : Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiuniverse Packages
[02:27] <bystander> Bols: spelling error
[02:27] <SpecialBuddy> yeah
[02:27] <bystander> Bols: multiverse
[02:27] <Bols> erm.. ok, thx
[02:27] <twb_> does anyone know how to set up Ventrilo on Ubuntu?
[02:28] <LinuxNewbie> hello can anyone help me out with ubuntu
[02:28] <LinuxNewbie> im new with linux
[02:28] <twb_> me 2
[02:28] <LinuxNewbie> so can anyone help us out?
[02:29] <twb_> dude, i dk
[02:29] <budluva> just ask already
[02:29] <holycow> twb_, chances are higher that some of that info could be googled quicker, than the chance of running into someone here that would know
[02:29] <bystander> LinuxNewbie: just ask a question - if someone can help they will
[02:29] <twb_> kk thx
[02:29] <holycow> LinuxNewbie, the rules are: be nice, be polite, just ask, don't be annoying
[02:29] <holycow> LinuxNewbie, so whats your question/s?
[02:29] <FlannelKing> LinuxNewbie, it might help you to look over the forums as well.
[02:29] <Wa77z> omfg god...if i reboot i have to unplug andplug back in my mouse to get it to keep workin
[02:30] <LinuxNewbie> ok here it is, i just installed ubuntu and then when it loaded it did not go to the x server
[02:30] <Wa77z> otherwise..it is not recognized
[02:30] <LinuxNewbie> ive tried startx
[02:30] <LinuxNewbie> but command not found
[02:30] <LinuxNewbie> i think it did not load some library
[02:30] <holycow> linuxboy, what kind of video card does your system have?
[02:30] <SogniX> thanks for your help! :)
[02:30] <holycow> LinuxNewbie, not linuxboy
[02:30] <holycow> heh
[02:30] <LinuxNewbie> its via
[02:30] <Mez> LinuxNewbie, did you tyry a custom or server install ?
[02:31] <Wa77z> this is gay....and my sound dont work all the time
[02:31] <norah> Hi :) anybody had troubles with ACPI and CPU-overheat with an AMD Athlon XP-m ?
[02:31] <Wa77z> its only some of the time
[02:31] <norah> Can't modprobe the powernow modules :S
[02:31] <holycow> LinuxNewbie, login as the user and do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:31] <norah> it tells that device not found .
[02:31] <LinuxNewbie> ok wait ill try that
[02:31] <holycow> that should give you a chance to reconfig yoru server via at least a wizard type of interface
[02:31] <KhaBal> hi guys
[02:31] <holycow> we can try other things later
[02:31] <Wa77z> can someone help me figure out my mouse prblem
[02:32] <LinuxNewbie> ive try sudo dpkg-reconfigure
[02:32] <LinuxNewbie> it ask me a password
[02:32] <holycow> yes
[02:32] <Wa77z> it is not recognized when i reboot....i have to unplug it and plug it back in..then it works fine
[02:32] <holycow> type in the password you used to login with
[02:32] <athlon> how often do packages get updated ? The new Koffice 1.4 was released a week ago, KDE 3.4.1 about a month ago, but so far no packages.
[02:32] <LinuxNewbie> ok now
[02:32] <tiglionabbit> Wa77z: ESD will do that.  They're fixing it in breezy, but for now try changing its config like in the restricted formats faq
[02:32] <Wa77z> hunh ?
[02:33] <Mez> athlon - the version gets frozxen when it's released
[02:33] <holycow> Wa77z, sounds like an issue with usb drivers ... not sure how to fix that.  have you tried a different usb mouse just to eliminate that possibility?
[02:33] <tiglionabbit> you said your sound didn't work all the time
[02:33] <LinuxNewbie> it said specify a packarge to reconfigure
[02:33] <Mez> if you want new packages, you either backport them or compile
[02:33] <Wa77z> ps2 mouse
[02:33] <bystander> athlon: hoary is a stable release - new packages will be in the next release (October)
[02:33] <Mez> however, kubuntu packages for 3.4.1 and koffice are availabekl
[02:33] <KhaBal> im download JSDK package java, >>>>3:30:50 <<<its going to take << sigh
[02:33] <holycow> ps2 mouse? oh you got me there, sorry not sure where to go from there
[02:33] <Mez> have a look at the news on http://www.kubunut.org
[02:33] <Wa77z> it workd great once i unplug and plug it back in
[02:33] <Mez> have a look at the news on http://www.kubuntu.org/ *
[02:33] <holycow> LinuxNewbie, scroll up and read my post
[02:33] <holycow> i gave you the whole command
[02:33] <LinuxNewbie> ok
[02:33] <KhaBal> whats the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[02:33] <LinuxNewbie> wait
[02:34] <holycow> KhaBal, one has kde other gnome de
[02:34] <athlon> hmm, so, is there any way for me to upgrade  them ? not wanting to get afflicted by versionitis or anything, but I consider .1 release to be quite important cos they usually fix imporant bugs and smoothe the rough edges
[02:34] <Wa77z> and also..my sound only works when i play a song..its not consistant
[02:34] <Wa77z> for system sounds its brokeen
[02:34] <KhaBal> holycow: gnome=much better
[02:34] <FlannelKing> You can switch between the two of them, without reinstalling, there are instructions at Kubuntu (how to convert from U to K)
[02:34] <holycow> KhaBal, i like both, but use gnome
[02:35] <LinuxNewbie> ok it said xserver-xorg is not installed
[02:35] <holycow> FlannelKing, ah neat, yeah that should be easily doable
[02:35] <tiglionabbit> Wa77z: we know that.  ESD kind of sucks
[02:35] <flugh> aah, my ubuntu box is purring along smoothly after a first-time 'real' install. i hope you all have a similar happy experience :)
[02:35] <Wa77z> im not sure what ESD is
[02:35] <holycow> linuxboy, thats your problem first, you don't have the right components installed
[02:35] <Wa77z> i am new to linux..
[02:35] <twb_> is Real Plyer neccessary with Ubuntu?
[02:35] <LinuxNewbie> ah?
[02:35] <Wa77z> im sure u can tell by that comment
[02:36] <LinuxNewbie> but i just followed the instructions in the installation
[02:36] <bystander> twb_: depends what you want to play I guess
[02:36] <holycow> anyone here know what the components for xserver are called in ubuntu? i know the debian names ...
[02:36] <tiglionabbit> Wa77z: Enlightenment Sound Daemon.  It will handle system sounds, but many applications wont play well with it, so you configure it to suspend ESD while running those applications.  But you can only run one of such applications with sound rights at a time
[02:36] <tiglionabbit> holycow: xorg
[02:36] <abbot45> where can i get a .mp4 codec for totem/mplayer?  i dont think its part of w32.
[02:36] <twb_> well, im havng trouble installing it, .exe wont open
[02:36] <LinuxNewbie> im using a AMD sempron
[02:36] <Wa77z> ic..how can it be fixed
[02:36] <LinuxNewbie> is that a problem?
[02:36] <tiglionabbit> Wa77z: did you configure ESD like it says in restricted formats?
[02:36] <tiglionabbit> !restricted
[02:36] <ubotu> methinks restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:37] <Wa77z> i dont know how
[02:37] <bystander> holycow: xserver-xorg ( or a more complete package is x-window-system-core)
[02:37] <holycow> LinuxNewbie, well first install sudo apt-getinstall xserver-xorg
[02:37] <Wa77z> i would like too
[02:37] <holycow> thats the first pieces your missing
[02:37] <holycow> or right ... do sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core
[02:37] <LinuxNewbie> ok ill just type that and insert the CD right?
[02:37] <holycow> thats the one :) thanks bystander !
[02:37] <tony> Hello
[02:37] <holycow> LinuxNewbie, heh actually before you do that
[02:38] <holycow> does your ubuntu box have high speed access?
[02:38] <Wa77z> or i can just turn off those apps sounds right
[02:38] <holycow> LinuxNewbie, do ping www.google.com
[02:38] <holycow> tell us if you get a response on your ubuntu box
[02:38] <LinuxNewbie> what is a ubuntu box?
[02:38] <tony> Can anyony see me?
[02:38] <bystander> holycow: a beeter way might be ` sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop `
[02:38] <flugh> tony: no
[02:38] <holycow> LinuxNewbie, the one you are installing right now
[02:38] <bystander> *better
[02:38] <holycow> bystander, oh is that the package he should install instead?
[02:38] <tiglionabbit> Wa77z: make /etc/esound/esd.conf look like this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats#head-5bb92da29c02203193ac2fa6d2cfb90064959bec
[02:38] <abbot45> mp4 codec?  is there one for xine?
[02:39] <holycow> ah neat, okay, i've never had to fix ubuntu before :)
[02:39] <LinuxNewbie> ttl 241
[02:39] <bystander> holycow: that contains all the deps  ( metapackage)
[02:39] <tiglionabbit> LinuxNewbie: a box is a computer
[02:39] <tony> Help I was using 1600X1200, after rebooting I only get 640X480...
[02:39] <cafuego> LinuxNewbie: Like a bento box, but with crunchy cdrom sushi.
[02:39] <LinuxNewbie> time281
[02:39] <Wa77z> let me look realquick
[02:39] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: rofl
[02:39] <holycow> bystander, yeah i'm used to just installing the basics in debian, cool
[02:39] <LinuxNewbie> how do i stop the ping
[02:39] <WMCoolmon> ctrl-c
[02:39] <holycow> linuxboy, okay now do this
[02:39] <holycow> apt-setup
[02:39] <WMCoolmon> LinuxNewbie: ctrl-c
[02:40] <holycow> then select an HTTP repository
[02:40] <tony> Can any one help me?
[02:40] <LinuxNewbie> ok apt-setup
[02:40] <holycow> then we will just upgrade the whole system simultaneously and add anything thats missing by hand if need be
[02:40] <tiglionabbit> tony: what did you change?
[02:40] <Wa77z> ok..how do i find and edit that file
[02:40] <LinuxNewbie> then it ask for the Cd
[02:40] <LinuxNewbie> insert it
[02:40] <holycow> LinuxNewbie, go add an http repository
[02:40] <Mez> LinuxNewbie, it might be better if you just reinstall from scratch...
[02:40] <tiglionabbit> Wa77z: that is the exact path.  Go to the root directory and work up from there
[02:41] <tony> I upgraded to the latest kernel
[02:41] <FlannelKing> I agree, if youve got a fresh install, just reinstall
[02:41] <Mez> and dont do an server /epxert install
[02:41] <JasonMcGuirk> Any l33t hax0rz here that can help me with configuring my wireless card for my laptop in ubuntu64?
[02:41] <JasonMcGuirk> it was working for awhile
[02:41] <holycow> Mez, he's mostly there, he just screwed up the the repository part on the install
[02:41] <LinuxNewbie> ok ive selected http
[02:41] <JasonMcGuirk> and then it up and quit on me
[02:41] <tiglionabbit> Wa77z: or you could open a terminal and type the name of an editing program and then that absolute filename path
[02:41] <LinuxNewbie> it prompt me to select a country
[02:41] <holycow> yep
[02:41] <LinuxNewbie> should i select my country?
[02:41] <holycow> sure
[02:42] <Mez> holycow - not neccessariuly... you dont really know withougt looking...
[02:42] <LinuxNewbie> permission denied
[02:42] <Mez> he might have screwedup completely... it's better to have an automated install rahter than a manual
[02:42] <Mez> LinuxNewbie, reinstall from the CD... it's easier
[02:42] <holycow> Mez, and we also don't know if there is something else is going on, so far we've eliminated a few possibilities, and this is more sensible than starting over
[02:42] <holycow> BECAUSE we don't exactly know why the cd install failed
[02:43] <FlannelKing> And he wont lose anything, and it'll be eaiser
[02:43] <tiglionabbit> LinuxNewbie: if you'd like, I can post my sources.list and you can use it
[02:43] <Mez> however, we also know that a abse ssyetm without sudo = nothingyou can do
[02:43] <holycow> permission denied? heh, do what mez said, reisntall from cd
[02:43] <holycow> :)
[02:43] <JasonMcGuirk> Any l33t hax0rz here that can help me with configuring my wireless card for my laptop in ubuntu64?
[02:43] <LinuxNewbie> now im trying to install from the CD
[02:43] <Mez> finalyl you agree with me holycow
[02:43] <LinuxNewbie> pls help me out here
[02:43] <tiglionabbit> JasonMcGuirk: wish I could, but it detected mine automatically, so..
[02:43] <holycow> Mez, sure, but if you could of dist upgraded, why not try?
[02:43] <tiglionabbit> JasonMcGuirk: best bet is to check the wiki
[02:43] <LinuxNewbie> now im the opening screen
[02:43] <LinuxNewbie> it ask me to enter SERVER
[02:43] <FlannelKing> LinuxNewbie, I assume you talking on another machine
[02:43] <bystander> LinuxNewbie: don't
[02:43] <Mez> because a dist-upgrade would have only upgraded the base packages, whcih dont include any gui :D
[02:44] <LinuxNewbie> huh?
[02:44] <redir> JasonMcGuirk, deactivate it and reactivte it
[02:44] <LinuxNewbie> i dont enter server?
[02:44] <Mez> LinuxNewbie, when it says about entering "server2 just hit enter
[02:44] <Mez> dont type anything
[02:44] <JasonMcGuirk> redir: Have tried
[02:44] <Mez> thats where you went wrong before
[02:44] <LinuxNewbie> ok
[02:44] <sara_poo> x windows is more fun in ubuntu
[02:44] <Mez> LinuxNewbie, don't type server - just hit enter
[02:44] <_0kills> anyone know how to set GNOME up to kill ESD at startup?
[02:44] <tiglionabbit> sara_poo: heeeey, irssi is awesome.  You just need to learn to use it
[02:44] <LinuxNewbie> ok
[02:44] <twb_> why wont it let me play an audio CD?!!??!
[02:45] <JasonMcGuirk> I can see my routers, it just won't seem to connect
[02:45] <LinuxNewbie> ive enter the country
[02:45] <tiglionabbit> sara_poo: http://f0rked.com/core/irssi
[02:45] <LinuxNewbie> english etc
[02:45] <Mez> _0kills, apt-get remove --purge esd
[02:45] <tiglionabbit> what's LinuxNewbie trying to do here?
[02:45] <Wa77z> ok ...what can i use to edit it..Configuration Editor ?
[02:45] <taomaster> any easy way 2 install java?
[02:45] <holycow> tiglionabbit, just reinstall, let mez walk him through it
[02:45] <_0kills> Mez, and that will remove esd entirely?
[02:45] <holycow> too many people talking to him will confuse him
[02:45] <sara_poo> tiglionabbit, it's a bit awkward for me, but I have friends who swear by it.  Something as simple as a chat program I don't think i should have to _learn_ how to use
[02:45] <tiglionabbit> taomaster: there's a link to it in restricted
[02:45] <JasonMcGuirk> Anyone here that can help me fix my wireless drivers in ubuntu 64?
[02:45] <tiglionabbit> !restricted
[02:45] <ubotu> somebody said restricted was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:45] <Mez> _0kills, yes
[02:45] <LinuxNewbie> now im in the HOST NAME
[02:46] <sara_poo> tiglionabbit, a programmers editor for example, i think is worth learning
[02:46] <LinuxNewbie> ive enter a host name CICST2
[02:46] <Mez> hmm
[02:46] <_0kills> Mez, thanks, is that safe to do?
[02:46] <Mez> who controls ubotu
[02:46] <tiglionabbit> LinuxNewbie: perhaps you should read an install guide rather than asking us every single thing
[02:46] <Mez> if you dont want to use esd then yteah
[02:46] <sara_poo> Mez, i do.
[02:46] <LinuxNewbie> ok
[02:46] <_0kills> k
[02:46] <sara_poo> Mez, my hostname is  ubotu
[02:46] <Mez> sara_poo, restricted != RestrictedFormatds
[02:46] <sara_poo> Mez, if i could only find that damn root pw....
[02:46] <Mez> sara_poo, restricted != RestrictedFormats
[02:47] <bystander> Mez: it's just a keyword, chill
[02:47] <tiglionabbit> sara_poo: actually, irssi is a very useful and beautiful program, which I use as much, or more, than my editors
[02:47] <Wa77z> tiglionabbit : i understand what i have to do..im just not sure what exactly the command is i am suppose to type in
[02:47] <sara_poo> Mez, ?
[02:47] <bystander> Mez: and sara_poo is kidding
[02:47] <Mez> yeah but it's giving out wrong information
[02:47] <_0kills> Mez, got an error,  E: Couldn't find package esd
[02:47] <sara_poo> i missed that
[02:47] <Wa77z> some thing /etc/blah blah blah
[02:47] <sara_poo> well, sorry, didn't realize ... something
[02:47] <sara_poo> i guess
[02:47] <bystander> Mez: no, it isn't - it's just a shorthand for the wiki URL for restricted formats
[02:48] <tiglionabbit> Wa77z: try saying "sudo gedit /etc/esound/esd.conf" at the terminal
[02:48] <Wa77z> nvm
[02:48] <Wa77z> i found it
[02:48] <tiglionabbit> make sure you edit it with super user privileges (sudo)
[02:48] <Mez> somebody said restricted was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:48] <Wa77z> i am just scared to touch anything..i dont reeally know what all these buttons do
[02:48] <Mez> leaves confusing about tre restriceted repository
[02:48] <twb_> this system wont run anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:48] <tiglionabbit> Wa77z: buttons?
[02:49] <sara_poo> Wa77z, don't touch the red button, that one breaks the internet
[02:49] <twb_> why cant i install Raven Shield???
[02:49] <twb_> PLEAS HELP!!
[02:49] <Wa77z> ya i know
[02:49] <tiglionabbit> raven shield, what's that?
[02:49] <sara_poo> twb_, whats raven sheild?
[02:49] <LinuxNewbie> ok can i ask something, in the x server environment
[02:49] <Mez> Raven Shield = a game
[02:49] <puddleboy> its a rainbow 6 game
[02:49] <twb_> its a game, Rainbow Six 3
[02:49] <tiglionabbit> twb_: do you have cedega?
[02:49] <LinuxNewbie> can i create users there?
[02:49] <Wa77z> just like..i dont know how to navigate and use all the apps as well as i can in windows...mostly just where to find files
[02:49] <Mez> LinuxNewbie, applets are provided for you to mamage users, yes
[02:50] <tiglionabbit> twb_: that looks like a windows game.  If you want to run windows programs on ubuntu you'll need to use wine, crossover office, or cedega
[02:50] <LinuxNewbie> like in the windows server?
[02:50] <twb_> no i don thave cedega
[02:50] <tiglionabbit> twb_: then buy it
[02:50] <twb_> i have to buy that stuff?
[02:50] <tiglionabbit> yeah..  sadly
[02:50] <sara_poo> i'm a cedega subscriber, I rarely use it anymore though.  some of the native linux games are great now
[02:50] <twb_> thats bs
[02:50] <CarlFK> you don't have to buy wine
[02:50] <bystander> twb_: in case you didn't notice, GNU/Linux is a different Operating System *grin*
[02:50] <sara_poo> twb_, go install enemy territory, it's free, and the best shooter i've played
[02:51] <sara_poo> (free as in beer)
[02:51] <tiglionabbit> twb_: well you either buy cedega, use wine for free, play native linux games, or dual boot with windows for your game fix
[02:51] <CarlFK> my ubuntu box doesnt make toast... that's bs too.
[02:51] <_0kills> sara_poo, where do you get enemy territory from?
[02:51] <ukato> fileplanet, right
[02:51] <twb_> well, its not just the game, im having trouble with virtually everything
[02:51] <Wa77z> WTF.. i opened the file in a text editor..and i cant change anything
[02:51] <sara_poo> _0kills, (afraid of being a gentoo noob...)  emerge enemy-territory-etpro  , but i'm sure we can google for it
[02:51] <bystander> OMG MY LINUX WON"T RUN WINDOWS APPS !! WTF ??
[02:51] <twb_> the only thing that seems to be working here is AIM
[02:51] <sara_poo> _0kills, i'll find you the site
[02:52] <tiglionabbit> twb_: linux isn't windows.  You shouldn't be able to automatically install windows programs on it
[02:52] <Mez> _0kills, Enemy-Territory.com
[02:52] <twb_> well, i understand that
[02:52] <tiglionabbit> that's like trying to run windows programs on a mac
[02:52] <tiglionabbit> or visa versa
[02:52] <_0kills> sara_poo, Mez, thanks
[02:52] <sara_poo> http://enemy-territory.4players.de:1041/
[02:52] <twb_> but can someone plz get me ut of the darlk?
[02:52] <ukato> or linux programs on windows.
[02:52] <Wa77z> do i need to be root to edit my /etc/esound/esd/conf file
[02:52] <sara_poo> would something like et be in apt-cache search ?
[02:53] <pedingto> Evenin' Folks.
[02:53] <tiglionabbit> Wa77z: yes.  At a terminal, please say `sudo gedit /etc/esound/esd.conf` without those `s
[02:53] <WMCoolmon> hmm, i think my kubuntu install is stuck at "Testing security update repository..."
[02:53] <twb_> like......why cant i play my Modest Mouse cd?
[02:53] <twb_> ggross!
[02:53] <tiglionabbit> twb_: yes.  Just put it in, gnome should handle that
[02:53] <twb_> its not
[02:53] <ukato> twb_, what CD
[02:53] <tiglionabbit> twb_: doesn't it plop a CD icon on your desktop?
[02:53] <sara_poo> where is the RTFM pages on apt?  I need to learn how to find stuff, and edit my sources
[02:54] <bystander> twb_: I bet you don't have a cable from your sound card to your CD player - try playing it in xmms with digital output enabled
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[02:54] <twb_> omg....now it wont eject my cd?
[02:55] <^thehatsrule^> thank god
[02:55] <twb_> wtf is goin on here
[02:55] <unreal> heh
[02:55] <LinuxNewbie> if my server is UBUNTU and my client are XP
[02:55] <sara_poo> lmao
[02:55] <LinuxNewbie> there wont be a problem?
[02:55] <sara_poo> first time i've seen that
[02:55] <nemik> stupid script kiddies
[02:55] <sara_poo> another debian user trying to kill us i bet
[02:55] <tiglionabbit> twb_: right-click on the cd icon on your desktop, and pick eject
[02:55] <kertrats> I seem to have missed something
[02:55] <ukato> hmmm, has anyone used Stratagus before?
[02:55] <twb_> i did, 'unable to eject" it says
[02:55] <unreal> I pick the best moments to return... right when a script kiddie frog is flooding the channel
[02:55] <sara_poo> where is the RTFM pages on apt?  I need to learn how to find stuff, and edit my sources
[02:55] <tiglionabbit> LinuxNewbie: all OSs can play nicely with eachother over a network or the internet
[02:55] <kertrats> first thing in the door is 'thank god'
[02:56] <tiglionabbit> twb_: perhaps a program is trying to handle it?  Does it say anything else, like "is in use" ?
[02:56] <twb_> no
[02:56] <bystander> sara_poo: more than you'll ever need to know about apt >> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[02:56] <sara_poo> bystander, thanks
[02:56] <kertrats> ok, I'm brand new to linux, and I'm finding it difficult to install anything
[02:56] <Wa77z> omfg
[02:56] <tiglionabbit> twb_: what is the device name of your optical drive?
[02:57] <Wa77z> can you paste that link again
[02:57] <twb_> eh?
[02:57] <twb_> device name of optical?
[02:57] <kertrats> for instance, I just downloaded firefox 1.0.4 off the moz.org site, and when I open the installer, it just gives me a bunch of xpi files
[02:57] <Wa77z> i cant believe i closed out without saving my bookmark
[02:57] <kertrats> which ones do I use?
[02:57] <bystander> twb_: in a terminal, type   sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/eject   then try ejecting again
[02:57] <tiglionabbit> Wa77z: what page?
[02:57] <kertrats> er, I guess that's just in the one folder
[02:57] <Wa77z> the one where it shows me what part to edit
[02:57] <kertrats> but still, it's lost on me
[02:58] <Wa77z> the only one u have pasted for me
[02:58] <tiglionabbit> kertrats: use synaptic
[02:58] <Wa77z> /etc/esound/esd.conf
[02:58] <Wa77z> i need to edit that to make it look like default=options or somethin
[02:58] <sara_poo> ok, before i get cozy and start reading for the night, is there anyway to tweak gnome into having sloppy focus, and shading?  It seems wierd by default....
[02:58] <tiglionabbit> Wa77z:
[02:58] <tiglionabbit> !restricted
[02:58] <ubotu> from memory, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:59] <twb_> "too few arguments"....???
[02:59] <Wa77z> aight
[02:59] <bystander> twb_: did you do what I suggested ?
[02:59] <ukato> anyone used Stratagus before?
[02:59] <mae> Dude, I _love_ tomboy
[02:59] <tiglionabbit> sara_poo: system->preferences->windows
[02:59] <twb_> yees
[03:00] <twb_> i just want to be able to install programs.....why is it so hard?
[03:00] <sara_poo> tiglionabbit, thanks
[03:00] <tiglionabbit> twb_: to install programs, use Synaptic
[03:00] <tiglionabbit> twb_: and forget about your windows CDs
[03:00] <pedingto> twb_ its not hard, if you learn apt-get or even use the Synaptic Package Manager.
[03:00] <bystander> twb_: because you are new and have stuff to learn
[03:00] <twb_> whats that and where can i get it?
[03:00] <tiglionabbit> twb_: run it.  You already have it
[03:01] <twb_> synaptic and apt -get
[03:01] <Wa77z> ok..now i can change to also right ..instead of esd
[03:01] <bystander> twb_: you are expecting everything to act like windows
[03:01] <whooper> hi! I'm trying to install ubuntu on a disk while keeping the existing partitions.. seems like the installer doesn't detects any partitions, so the only choice is to rewrite the whole partition table =/ should it be so? =)
[03:01] <tiglionabbit> system->admin->synaptic
[03:01] <Wa77z> alsa **
[03:01] <pedingto> Synaptic is in System --> Administration --> Synaptic.
[03:01] <twb_> im expecting everything to run as easily as windows : /
[03:01] <tiglionabbit> twb_: it does.  You just do things differently
[03:01] <sproingie> you'll find apt runs a lot easier than windows
[03:01] <sproingie> no more looking for most apps
[03:01] <tiglionabbit> sproingie speaks the truth
[03:01] <bystander> twb_: no, you are expecting the same metaphors to apply - and they don't
[03:02] <sproingie> no more grabbing dependencies.  they install automagically
[03:02] <bystander> twb_: once you start to get it, it becomes easier
[03:02] <tiglionabbit> well that's a comparison with red hat, sproing
[03:02] <pedingto> Oh yeah, once you learn the basics of apt-get google searches to find programs mostly disapeer ;)
[03:02] <sproingie> and removal that doesn't take a control panel a minute to start up, only removing one thing at a time
[03:02] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: eh?  yum grabs deps automatically
[03:02] <tiglionabbit> sproingie: that's fedora
[03:03] <mae> yum is awful compared to apt
[03:03] <sproingie> apt can't handle multiple architectures at once, unfortunately
[03:03] <sproingie> yum can
[03:03] <twb_> ok, im at synaptic...whats all this?
[03:04] <tiglionabbit> twb_: this is a program that searches online software servers called "repositories" which have a bunch of programs you can install.  Hit search, or browse the categories.  Many of them you may never have heard of though
[03:05] <tiglionabbit> twb_: you may profit from reading the restricted formats wiki if you want to do many of the things you did in windows.  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:05] <cianci> hi, can someone help me?
[03:05] <tiglionabbit> cianci: with what?
[03:05] <SymGeosis> cianci, with what?
[03:06] <twb_> ok, so how do i know what drivers are installed rigght now, id like to have my SB ZS and Nvidia drivers back
[03:06] <twb_> hey still there?
[03:06] <twb_> they
[03:06] <Bols> What's the command to reload the system default locales, plz?
[03:06] <bystander> twb_: I suggest you go and read this: http://www.aboutdebian.com/linux.htm Realise that you are now part of a community and you need to do some reading and legwork to get up to speed. Also make use of google with site:ubuntulinux.org keywords
[03:06] <puddleboy> egrsz
[03:06] <misfit_toy> ubuntu is awesome, but I have found the help here lacking as far as advanced issues, is there another forum for ubuntu?
[03:06] <tiglionabbit> twb_: I believe there are nvidia drivers in synaptic, if you add the repositories detailed in the restricted formats faq
[03:06] <cianci> i am trying to move files to a folder where it says i don't have permission to write to it
[03:07] <cianci> how can i move files to that folder
[03:07] <osiris> Hello there does anybody run a samsung 172v lcd monitor with ubuntu, as im having problems configuring mine, i have a ghosted image on the cursor and text when in 1280x1024 but not in 1024x768, the monitor definatly supports 1280x1024 @60 and 70hz and i have used the vert and horiz values that i found in the manual and its still the same any help would be brilliant.
[03:07] <Cervantes_> sara_poo: I've tried lots of things to get that USB key working, but now when I try to mount it I get the "mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist" message.  Any ideas?  :)
[03:07] <puddleboy> misfit_toy, if you are having 'advanced issues' then you should have no problem doing a google search to solve them.
[03:07] <tiglionabbit> misfit_toy: http://ubuntuforums.org ?
[03:07] <SymGeosis> cianci, sudo and then cp.
[03:08] <goldfish> Cervantes_: what does 'fdisk -l' say ....
[03:08] <cianci> is there a way where i can move many files at once, SymGeosis?
[03:08] <ryann> hello  i just installed ubuntu and my resolution is mest up
[03:08] <goldfish> !resolution
[03:08] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, resolution is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:08] <tiglionabbit> cianci: yes.  mv a directory, or many files in a row
[03:08] <ryann> i tryed editing the xorg but still i cant chage it
[03:08] <goldfish> ryann: follow that link
[03:08] <SymGeosis> cianci, go the the folder that you would like to move. sudo cp -R *
[03:08] <ryann> goldfish, thanks
[03:08] <goldfish> np
[03:08] <Cervantes_> goldfish: lots of things:  shall I private it to you?
[03:08] <goldfish> Cervantes_: yeah
[03:08] <tiglionabbit> well, dinner time.  I'll be back
[03:08] <cianci> SymGeosis, what is the command for that?
[03:09] <SymGeosis> cianci, cd [dir] 
[03:09] <SymGeosis> sudo cp -R *
[03:10] <cianci> but where do i specify the directory location?
[03:10] <misfit_toy> puddleboy, tiglionabbit I have googled for 10 hours now and solved a wireless nic issue that was not listed anywhere in google or ubuntuforums, I am just tired, forgive me, I will post the resolution later tonite.
[03:10] <SymGeosis> ah, sorry. sudo cp -R * [dir] 
[03:10] <twb_> ok.....ill try this approach, where is a goo dplace to start....?
[03:11] <cianci> exit
[03:11] <SymGeosis> Bah, I was just about to direct him to the man files for cp, mv, chmod and chown...
[03:11] <puddleboy> misfit_toy I hope you used ndiswrapper
[03:11] <osiris> Hello there does anybody run a samsung 172v lcd monitor with ubuntu, as im having problems configuring mine, i have a ghosted image on the cursor and text when in 1280x1024 but not in 1024x768, the monitor definatly supports 1280x1024 @60 and 70hz and i have used the vert and horiz values that i found in the manual and its still the same any help would be brilliant.
[03:12] <sara_poo> i have a new install, and something is wrong with my apt.  I'm trying to read through the apt- how-to and they say to 'apt-get install netselect', but I can't even find that.
[03:12] <sara_poo> seems no packages are available,
[06:03] (MDM3455/#ubuntu) can you have normal Wine and Cedega installed together?
[06:04] (SpecialBuddy/#ubuntu) I just want to make an icon without the white on the edges
[06:04] (crimsun/#ubuntu) MDM3455: sure.
[06:04] (Burgundavia/#ubuntu) ray_, they basically say whether or not a license is free or not
[06:04] <ray_> anyone know of a good online 3d shooter
[06:04] <tomchuk> for i in `ls *.jpg`; do mogrify -transparent #ffffff $i; done
[06:04] <punkrockguy318> ray_, cube
[06:05] <punkrockguy318> will breezy be debian compatible?
[06:05] <Razor-X> ray-: Cube
[06:05] <tomchuk> SpecialBuddy: something like the above should work
[06:05] <Razor-X> *ray_
[06:05] <talios> hola - anyone here compiled up mod_caucho for apache2 on ubuntu?  I'm getting "can't find apache lib" - I have apache2 installed, along with the dev pacakges
[06:05] <Razor-X> talios: make sure you have the apache dev libs
[06:06] <SpecialBuddy> I'm not really sure if that magic wand is working
[06:06] <talios> Razor-X, I noticed after i removed apache-dev apxs dissapeared, but had assumed the apache2 dev packaes might bring back an apache2 version
[06:06] <crimsun> talios: fancy seeing you here.
[06:07] <cafuego> !find apxs2
[06:07] <adwait> hey ppl........i am going to a friends place to install ubuntu on XP machine......anything i need to know? (havent used XP much)
[06:07] <Razor-X> talios: nope, you need the apache-dev
[06:07] <tomchuk> SpecialBuddy: do you have all the white selected?
[06:07] <talios> hey crimsun :)
[06:07] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'apxs2' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/apxs2) in devel/apache2-prefork-dev,devel/apache2-threaded-dev.
[06:07] <Razor-X> adwait: a lot
[06:07] <cafuego> apache2-prefork-dev
[06:07] <adwait> razor-x: like? any urls?
[06:07] <cafuego> there you go
[06:07] <Razor-X> NTFS is the bitch of all bitches
[06:07] <Razor-X> are you resizing XP, or wiping it?
[06:07] <Razor-X> or installing on a seperate drive? ;)
[06:07] <adwait> installing on a diff partition (or maybe a separate drive)
[06:08] <SpecialBuddy> yeah but it's not showing the checkboard under it
[06:08] <Razor-X> the latter is best, because resizing XP is a total bitch
[06:08] <talios> cafuego, already have apache2-prefork-dev installed, but no apxs ;(
[06:08] <tomchuk> SpecialBuddy: go to layer -> add alpha channel
[06:08] <adwait> naah he recently formatted, so he has left free space for linux
[06:08] <cafuego> talios: /usr/bin/apxs2
[06:08] <Razor-X> adwait: oh, that's cool ;)
[06:08] <tomchuk> SpecialBuddy: then ctrl-K to delete the selection
[06:09] <talios> ahh apxs2 :)
[06:09] <Razor-X> as long as he left free space unpartitioned, it's fine, but I had a hellish time getting my XP to cooperate
[06:09] <SpecialBuddy> add alpha channel?
[06:09] <maven> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:09] <ray_> anybody use an stivirus program?
[06:09] <tomchuk> SpecialBuddy: yup
[06:09] <adwait> razor-x: last time he tried installing, he got FC3 to install, but just couldnt bring grub up...and when he did, it just crashed...so he couldnt boot into linux
[06:09] <maven> error happen
[06:09] <ray_> antivirus sorry
[06:09] <kakalto> has anyone here got bf1942 working on cvscedega?
[06:09] <SpecialBuddy> I don't see it
[06:09] <Razor-X> adwait: does he have a special drive setup?
[06:09] <Razor-X> or do you know the magic of all that?
[06:09] <Razor-X> ;)
[06:09] <adwait> razor-x: whr should i install grub? MBR or first sector?
[06:09] <maven> postfix & at and so on happens error
[06:09] <tomchuk> SpecialBuddy: sorry it's layer -> transparecy -> add alpha channel
[06:09] <Razor-X> do it on the MBR, adwait
[06:09] <maven> can someone help me
[06:09] <ray_> anybody use an antivirus program?
[06:10] <Razor-X> make sure to do it there
[06:10] <SpecialBuddy> ok
[06:10] <maven> nobody use antivirus program
[06:10] <adwait> razor-x: an 80 GB HD with XP and a slave hard disk....dunno which one i am going to install on....
[06:10] <Razor-X> and then, make note of the partition XP inhabits, and the partition Ubuntu habits
[06:10] <Razor-X> do it on the slave
[06:10] <Razor-X> and, just in case
[06:10] <bystander> ray_: unless you have a server feeding mail to windows boxes etc
[06:10] <Razor-X> take SystemRescueCD with you
[06:10] <ray_> bystander, oh yeah ....thanks alot
[06:10] <Razor-X> you can never go wrong with that thing, it's helped me brign back dead harddrives from the grave ;)
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[06:11] <lamont> maven: what's above the suporcess error?
[06:11] <Razor-X> *bring
[06:11] <adwait> razor-x: havent burnt tht........byt ooh well, he probably has the XP cd
[06:11] <nalioth_zZzZzZz> Razor-X: systemrescuecd?
[06:11] <nathan__> Man - I've tried everything!
[06:11] <Razor-X> adwait: System Rescue CD comes with a nice bootmanager a little more compatible than GRUB
[06:11] <Razor-X> nalioth_zZzZzZz: yeahp
[06:11] <nathan__> I re-installed apt, but I'm still unable to connect
[06:11] <nathan__> and I was so sold on APT!!
[06:11] <SpecialBuddy> thanks tom
[06:12] <SpecialBuddy> figured it out
[06:12] <tomchuk> np
[06:12] <nalioth_zZzZzZz> Razor-X: for x86, right?
[06:12] <adwait> razor-x: hmm....well i gotta do this today, besides i my day time downloads are limited so cant really help it now, gonna take a risk :)
[06:12] <nathan__> I checked the forums too. :(
[06:12] <Razor-X> nalioth_zZzZzZz: yeah, I don't have much experience with PPC
[06:12] <nathan__> I need an expert-hotline!
[06:12] <nathan__> 1-800-ubuntu-guru
[06:12] <Razor-X> adwait: good luck ;) but, always keep that in your toolbox henceforth
[06:12] <Razor-X> I never leave home without it (TM)
[06:12] <nalioth_zZzZzZz> Razor-X: don't stir too much trouble, now
[06:13] <Razor-X> nalioth_zZzZzZz: you mean, infringement?
[06:13] <adwait> razor-x: right...but wht abt grub, will it work fine with the XP bootloader, or do i do somethin special?
[06:13] <yonil> i remember there is an application that helps you set the startup applications (stuff in init.d), what's it called ?
[06:13] <freddy> weird
[06:13] <cafuego> yonil: rcconf / update-rc.d
[06:13] <Razor-X> adwait: if you install GRUB to MBR, all should work fine
[06:14] <freddy> when i try to mount /dev/sda2 the system hangs =/
[06:14] <Razor-X> GRUB should autodetect the XP partition, and add it's entry to the GRUB boot menu
[06:14] <Razor-X> but, just in case.... yeah ;)
[06:14] <adwait> razor-x: right....well best of luck to me :), and ill be back here if there are any problems :)
[06:14] <Razor-X> before I did mine, I made sure I knew about 30% of the GRUB docs by heart
[06:14] <punkrockguy318> how do i set the debian sensible browser?
[06:15] <tomchuk> nathan__: you're timing out at a proxy right?
[06:15] <Razor-X> and had that which I needed printed, handy, since I had to do my install uber-quick
[06:15] <Razor-X> else risk my dad's wrath
[06:15] <maven> where are java developers
[06:15] <freddy_> how do i know wich partition is wich sda?
[06:15] <Razor-X> maven: in #java, or #java-dev , i'm guessing
[06:16] <Razor-X> freddy_: first SCSI drive, generally
[06:16] <freddy_> im looking for my thrid partition that its pure data...and i dont know where is it
[06:16] <talios> !find apr.h
[06:16] <adwait> freddy_:fdisk -l
[06:16] <Razor-X> or that, ;)
[06:16] <yonil> cafuego, thanks that works
[06:17] <adwait> hey off topic question: do u guys get the exact speed promised by the ISP whr u live? i live in india, I hv a 256 KBps connection......but i actually get around 200 lbps
[06:17] <adwait> *kbps
[06:18] <tomchuk> adwait: very rarely do i get advertised speed
[06:18] <sproingie> how do you measure it?
[06:18] <adwait> use one ofthe online tests
[06:18] <HrdwrBoB> I get 1.5Mbit
[06:18] <adwait> hrdwrbob: how much is the promised speeD?
[06:19] <bystander> adwait: you never get the full speed - for instance a 56k modem never delivers 56k (except maybe in a short burst)
[06:19] <sproingie> ftp and http download and tcp itself has overhead
[06:19] <Quest-Master> Hindi and Urdu Ubuntu users-- #ubuntu-hi and #ubuntu-ur :)
[06:19] <adwait> bystander: yeah..but i thought it would be different with an ADSL connection
[06:19] <lampshade> so yeah, I have two sound cards, one onboard nforce sound, and the other a sound blaster card.  I think Ubuntu picked them both up, but which do you recommend?
[06:20] <lampshade> is one alsa and one oss?  Is ALSA better than OSS?
[06:20] <tomchuk> adwait: depends on the company and infrastructure - I regulary got 6K+ with my 6K account with Telus in Canada
[06:21] <sproingie> i have 10 megabit cable, but i rarely expect any download to match that
[06:21] <adwait> hmm..i thought it was only in india tht this happened :)
[06:21] <freddy_> there is no plugin to handle mp3? wtf?
[06:22] <bystander> adwait: no, it happens everywhere, if it's any consolation ;)
[06:22] <IceDC571> i wonder why everyone still listens to mp3s
[06:22] <FlannelKing> because not everyone is an audiophile
[06:22] <Davey|Home> whats better, VNC or Remote X?
[06:22] <adwait> icedc571: thn wht to listen to? ogg?
[06:23] <bystander> freddy_: sure there is - gstreamer0.8-mad for totem or rhythmbox, or just install beep-media-player or xmms
[06:23] <IceDC571> adwait: listen to nothing
[06:23] <adwait> icedc571: aah.......:p no music......:'(
[06:23] <FlannelKing> but yes, adwait, audiophiles listen to ogg
[06:23] <sproingie> hah
[06:23] <IceDC571> i listen to flac
[06:23] <IceDC571> im horrible
[06:23] <bystander> ogg is actually better than mp3 IMHO
[06:24] <sproingie> audiophiles listen to lossless
[06:24] <synd> smoke time
[06:24] <tomchuk> sproingie: audiophiles listen to vinyl ;)
[06:24] <IceDC571> i dont have anything to smoke :(
[06:24] <adwait> lossless: hard to find/download....ogg: not very widely used
[06:24] <freddy_> any player for videos that you recommend that will play avi? cause from totem i only get "cant play"
[06:24] <synd> audiofiles dont download music
[06:25] <IceDC571> thats true
[06:25] <synd> if they do listen to electronic music.. it is ripped lossless though
[06:25] <synd> by themselves
[06:25] <sproingie> audiophile is usually something of a vague insult in my book, something you throw around at people who buy "oxygen free copper" speaker wires
[06:25] <synd> oh no
[06:25] <IceDC571> its funny when i listen with my friends.. i could care less about what quality the music is
[06:26] <IceDC571> but when im with myself.. i cant stand anything else but lossless
[06:26] <synd> an audiophile spends 10,000$ on wires alone : p
[06:26] <sproingie> there's an amazing market in bilking the superstitious audiophile crowd with "high end" audio products
[06:26] <jeavis> hello
[06:26] <tomchuk> sproingie: and run a $30 magic marker along the edges of their CDs to make the bits sound warmenr
[06:26] <freddy_> oh boy, no sound....
[06:26] <freddy_> this is not good
[06:26] <freddy_> :(
[06:26] <sproingie> like special stones you place around the room and discs you put on the walls and stuff
[06:26] <jeavis> I need help!
[06:26] <adwait> lol
[06:26] <jayparadise> has anyone had this cd/dvd error : unable to mount , unknown filesystem 'sysfs'
[06:26] <FlannelKing> like ear buds
[06:26] <jayparadise> think its sysfs, something simaler
[06:26] <synd> well you get what you pay for.
[06:26] <adwait> hence we can conclude: audiophiles hv too much money to waste ;d
[06:27] <jayparadise> subfs
[06:27] <sproingie> i look at that stuff and think "why did i have to be so honest?"
[06:27] <freddy_> now where to check if the sound is right...cause it is obvious that is not right
[06:27] <Razor-X> hmmm... anyone familiar with LaTeX here?
[06:27] <ivan> is there a transcode package for ubuntu?>
[06:27] <Razor-X> or more specifically, \product?
[06:27] <cafuego>  think it's an error, maybe not.
[06:27] <IceDC571> i wish i could rm -rf /* myself
[06:27] <sproingie> i could have developed my skills and sold special painted sticks for $5000 a pop
[06:27] <freddy_> xmms gave me an error when trying to play an mp3
[06:27] <sproingie> if i had the sociopathic tendency to lie that easily
[06:27] <jayparadise> i cant do anything with cds or dvds on ubunto right now because its thinking its a subfs
[06:27] <freddy_> check that your sound is not blocked
[06:27] <freddy_> :(
[06:27] <Razor-X> sproingie: and I wouldn't have bought it
[06:27] <synd> a pair of Martin Logan electrostatic speakers being pwered by Krell amplifiers... is an experience
[06:27] <sproingie> Razor-X: but so many people would have
[06:27] <jbroome> or you can drive around in a white van and sell speakers. :)
[06:27] <cafuego> !vagueness
[06:27] <ubotu> Vagueness makes the baby jesus cry!
[06:27] <sproingie> Razor-X: so many people do
[06:27] <jbroome> synd: agreed
[06:28] <bystander> freddy_: enable the esound output plugin in options/prefs
[06:28] <Razor-X> sproingie: i'll have the satisfaction of bleating that I would not buy it ;)
[06:28] <tomchuk> ivan: try the marillat repo
[06:28] <jayparadise> does anyone know how to change dvd/cd filesystem back to iso9*
[06:28] <Burgundavia> tomchuk, please don't recommend the marilliat repo. hoary-extras is better
[06:28] <freddy_> bystander, same thing, i think is a global error...cause i cant get the system sounds either
[06:28] <IceDC571> ive had nothing but trouble with marilliat
[06:28] <Burgundavia> ivan, try the hoary-extras repo from the backports project
[06:28] <jayparadise> i think vmware screwed it up
[06:29] <sproingie> james randi occasionally does a good skewering of a "mystical audio equipment" seller every few columns
[06:29] <synd> marilliat and backports are touble
[06:29] <jayparadise> whats randi?
[06:29] <IceDC571> backports isnt that bad
[06:29] <tomchuk> Burgundavia: sorry, never used either of them
[06:29] <Razor-X> I have marillat _and_ backports ;)
[06:29] <bystander> freddy_: try changing the plugin to oss and then do "killall esd" and see if it works...
[06:29] <Burgundavia> Razor-X, backports != hoary-extras
[06:29] <synd> Razor-X: brave one, you are : )
[06:29] <jayparadise> im new to ubuntu and fairly new to linux
[06:29] <Razor-X> synd: my system is sound, is it not? ;)
[06:29] <IceDC571> jayparadise: welcome back!
[06:30] <synd> Razor-X: indeed!
[06:30] <Razor-X> Burgundavia: i'll add hoary-extras then
[06:30] <Razor-X> where's that at?
[06:30] <Burgundavia> Razor-X, same servers. hoary-extras ~ marilliat
[06:30] <jayparadise> thanks for the greeting, 4 some reason my gateway has been acting up
[06:30] <freddy_> bystander, my sound is not working in general, not working with the system
[06:30] <freddy_> its integrated sound
[06:31] <freddy_> no soundcard.
[06:31] <bystander> freddy_: perhaps it isn't supported? have you tried googling the chipset with "linux' ?
[06:31] <adwait> yeah....or maybe drivers are a problem
[06:32] <jayparadise> the gateway gets disconnected at random intervals sometimes more than once in 10 minutes but usually like every hour
[06:32] <hondje> Or maybe your ears are broken
[06:32] <adwait> generally integrated chips work with generic drivers.......try
[06:32] <tomchuk> freddy_: what does
[06:32] <jayparadise> im thinking it has to do with the dhcp lease
[06:32] <tomchuk> lspci| grep audio
[06:32] <IceDC571> your ears need the latest alsa!
[06:32] <TokenBad> is there a way in ps to see all active stuff meaning for my account plus other user accounts on the system?
[06:33] <freddy_> tomchuk, shows nada
[06:33] <bystander> heheh - "My music sounds horrible!" "Maybe you're playing country music?"
[06:33] <jayparadise> damn i wihs i oculd figure out my 2 problems, especialy the cd/dvd one
[06:33] <Discipulus> lol
[06:33] <quam> tokenbad: ps -ax
[06:33] <tomchuk> freddy_: you have the sound enabled in the BIOS?
[06:34] <freddy_> tomchuk, yup, works in the windows
[06:34] <jayparadise> whats the u for in ps? is it processes owned/started by the user or displays user
[06:34] <tomchuk> freddy_: motherboard chipset?
[06:34] <freddy_> intel
[06:34] <IceDC571> intel is evil
[06:34] <adwait> heh
[06:35] <tomchuk> freddy_: reced mobo or old one?
[06:35] <jeavis> How I can install jdk
[06:35] <freddy_> bought it like 2 weeks ago
[06:35] <Razor-X> so, is anyone here familiar with LaTeX?
[06:35] <tomchuk> s/reced/recent
[06:35] <FlannelKing> u is for the 'user oriented' format
[06:35] <FlannelKing> man ps
[06:35] <IceDC571> actually intel makes good mobos
[06:35] <freddy_> tomchuk, bought it like 2 weeks ago
[06:35] <Razor-X> IceDC571: not as good as the PPC, by far
[06:35] <FlannelKing> Although, you can also specify a user
[06:35] <tomchuk> freddy_: hmm
[06:35] <adwait> razor-x: sure......easy to use..they don't tear easily too
[06:35] <adwait> :D
[06:35] <IceDC571> im using an intel p4 1.7 one of those old model huge chips.. the williamette
[06:36] <Razor-X> adwait: XD, note the capitalization
[06:36] <jayparadise> thats allright, too much learning to do to fit that in i'll just use ps aux :-)
[06:36] <Razor-X> IceDC571: "Old Model" ? Your model is better than mine
[06:36] <tomchuk> freddy_: do you see anything that resembles a multimedia or audio controler in lspci -vv
[06:36] <Razor-X> jayparadise: just remember, ps -e is best for grepping ;)
[06:36] <IceDC571> Razor-X: whats yours?
[06:36] <Razor-X> IceDC571: P4 1.6
[06:37] <tux014> hola
[06:37] <IceDC571> IceDC571: not bad.. im using socket 473 though
[06:37] <IceDC571> or whatever that strange socket is that is discontinued
[06:37] <freddy_> any video player you guys recommend?
[06:37] <freddy_> 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definiti on Audio Controller (rev 03)
[06:37] <freddy_> thats what i see
[06:38] <Razor-X> freddy_: VLC
[06:38] <freddy_> i dont see it on Add or Remove Applications
[06:39] <jasmuz> freddy_: mplayer or xine
[06:39] <Razor-X> freddy_: ....... you have to get it from apt-get
[06:39] <murphy> big quick problem:  I am trying to change the owner of a mounted drive
[06:39] <Razor-X> or aptitude, if you'recool ;)
[06:39] <Razor-X> *you're cool
[06:40] <adwait> murphy: unmount drive and remount with diff owner
[06:40] <murphy> and I enter this:  sudo chown murphy /media/hdb5
[06:40] <adwait> alternatively edit /etc/fstab
[06:40] <murphy> And I get this: chown: changing ownership of `/media/hdb5': Read-only file system
[06:40] <murphy> but it doesn't change
[06:40] <adwait> murphy: u cant change using chown......ull hv to unmount and remount of change fstab and remount
[06:40] <Spec> ready only file system means you can't write to it
[06:41] <Spec> or mount -o remount -o rw /media/hdb5
[06:41] <freddy_> mount -o uid=1000 /whateveryouwant/tomount /wherever/youwant
[06:41] <Spec> i'm not sure if that'll work though
[06:41] <freddy_> :D
[06:41] <murphy> hmm, Whan configs must I change in fstab in order to mount under my user?
[06:41] <freddy_> uid
[06:41] <murphy> oh ok!
[06:41] <tomchuk> freddy_: are your mixers turned up?
[06:42] <Spec> 'noatuo,ro,user' for options
[06:42] <Spec> noauto*
[06:42] <freddy_> Razor-X, apt-get install vlc...shows me that it couldnt find that package
[06:42] <adwait> freddy: universe/multiverse enabled? anyway.......try searching on the debian site and download all the dependencies as welll
[06:43] <bystander> adwait: erm - that's very bad advice
[06:43] <Razor-X> freddy_: what adwait said
[06:43] <freddy_> tomchuk, yes
[06:43] <bystander> NOT on a Debian site!
[06:43] <Razor-X> except the latter part, ;)
[06:43] <chad>  my volume at 100% is nowhere near as loud as it should be.. is there a way to solve this?
[06:43] <freddy_> oh my god, i thought that i shouldnt worry about dependencies on a debian based distro :(
[06:44] <jasmuz> chad: run alsamixergui
[06:44] <adwait> bystander: well the ubuntu firefox version has a built ine search for debian site.......so i figured its fine
[06:44] <bystander> freddy_: that's right
[06:44] <murphy> What part of this do I change in order to mount under the user Murphy?
[06:44] <murphy> /dev/hdb5 /media/hdb5 ntfs ro,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000 0 0
[06:44] <freddy_> but this guy said i had to go and look for the dependecies
[06:44] <freddy_> =/
[06:44] <chad> jasmuz: ran the term version.. volume is all the way up
[06:44] <bystander> adwait: well, it isn't: debian is out of sync with ubuntu ATM
[06:44] <freddy_> and..any tip on where i can enable this universe thingy?
[06:44] <bystander> !repositories
[06:44] <ubotu> it has been said that repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:45] <bystander> freddy_: read ubotu's URL
[06:45] <jasmuz> chad, did you check the other volumes in PCM and MASTER?
[06:45] <adwait> bystander: k
[06:45] <murphy> is it ro,?
[06:45] <IceDC571> how do i get aptitude to ignore an update? hmm..
[06:45] <murphy> or user?
[06:46] <chad> jasmuz: yep.. full blast :)
[06:46] <jasmuz> chad: that is odd
[06:46] <Razor-X> talios: i'm doing something waaay more frustrating
[06:47] <adwait> murphy: uid=murphy
[06:47] <Razor-X> mother fscking... f&g... *curses smoothly*
[06:47] <EruditeHermit> hi, is the rt2500 driver included in the modules extension package in universe?
[06:47] <murphy> but where in that line in my fstab?
[06:47] <IceDC571> Razor-X: there are kids in here, please curse more
[06:47] <josh42> Is there a way to set the dpi on 1600x1200.. the default font is rendering too small
[06:47] <talios> Razor-X, heh.  we was supposedly doing a production release of our app today, till someone said "hey, on some pages theres a unicode messup", which only happens on apache fronted installs.  gah.
[06:47] <Razor-X> IceDC571: ahhh, i'm a kid ;)
[06:48] <Razor-X> compared to you, most probably
[06:48] <murphy> Me to
[06:48] <adwait> murphy: no wait.....i think uid uses numbers.....
[06:48] <bystander> yes, think of the children! *g8
[06:48] <goryo> helo
[06:48] <IceDC571> Razor-X: how old?
[06:48] <SpecialBuddy> is there a way to make kubuntu look like windows
[06:48] <murphy> ahh, enough
[06:48] <goryo> guys ... i was here earlier .. can you help me join a domain in win2003 using ubuntu ?
[06:48] <Razor-X> talios: i'm trying to find a function that is 0 at x_{j} and 1 at x_{i} which is a polynomial function of dgree n-1 ;)
[06:48] <Razor-X> IceDC571: 15
[06:48] <IceDC571> SpecialBuddy: i know how to make gnome look like windows but not sure about kde
[06:48] <bystander> SpecialBuddy: eww
[06:48] <murphy> so, do I change ro, to murphy?
[06:48] <talios> Razor-X, ok - you win :)
[06:48] <murphy> or what?
[06:48] <SpecialBuddy> how do you make gnome look like it
[06:49] <adwait> specialbuddy: i had heard of this thing called xpde
[06:49] <IceDC571> http://art.gnome.org/
[06:49] <talios> SilverXP theme :)
[06:49] <adwait> its an environment to make linux looks like win XP....but never got it
[06:49] <tomchuk> http://gnome-look.org
[06:49] <Razor-X> talios: saddest part is, i'm doing it for my own practice
[06:49] <IceDC571> wait what is that art gnome site?
[06:49] <talios> Razor-X, freak :)
[06:49] <josh42> xpde was a window manager, I think.. not a theme
[06:50] <tomchuk> IceDC571: gnome is migrating stuff and servers are down
[06:50] <IceDC571> oh
[06:50] <adwait> i bleieve its a complete desktop environment like gnome or KDE
[06:50] <goryo> can any1 teach me how to log-in to a windows domain using ubuntu ?
[06:50] <talios> josh42, yep - written in Kylix ( delphi for linux ) from memory
[06:50] <IceDC571> kde is in legal trouble :)
[06:50] <punkrockguy318> IceDC571, why?
[06:50] <jasmuz> IceDC571: cuz of Qt, right?
[06:50] <Razor-X> talios: and to boot, i'm 15 ;)
[06:50] <IceDC571> "FREE SOFTWARE UNDER THREAT FROM SOFTWARE PATENTS!"
[06:50] <Razor-X> if you haven't guessed, i'm hoping to be a math major
[06:50] <sobersabre> hello.
[06:51] <talios> Razor-X, bah - now I feel really old again ;p
[06:51] <josh42> talios; They did an admirable job, I thought.. good way to install linux on a winDozer's machine ;)
[06:51] <talios> hrh
[06:51] <talios> heh
[06:51] <IceDC571> goto any project page that relates to kde like http://kopete.kde.org
[06:51] <Razor-X> talios: no problem ;)
[06:51] <Razor-X> regardless, this problem's baffling me....
[06:51] <adwait> wow u guys are all really young and much more knowledgeable than me!!! i am 19 :p
[06:51] <josh42> IceDC571; Did you read that page fully?
[06:52] <sobersabre> i'm using a notebook. i use wired ( eth1 ) connection with dhcp at work and wireless (eth0) without dhcp at home. I want the machine to discover automatically where it is, and to connect to the network. how do i achieve this ?
[06:52] <lampshade> haha, ok, whos up for a good sound problem?
[06:52] <Razor-X> I know next-to-nothing about Polynomial Functions...
[06:52] <nathan__> I re-installed.
[06:52] <nathan__> That was fast eh?
[06:52] <freddy_> adding repositories is the bomb
[06:52] <freddy_> yay
[06:52] <IceDC571> josh42: yep.. i wish they would pull those pages off they are annoying
[06:52] <Razor-X> handling them, rather, the form of a Polynomial function is obvious... *frowns*
[06:52] <goryo> can any1 help me regarding samba ?
[06:52] <nathan__> I think installing Kubuntu via APT screwed me up somehow
[06:52] <adwait> razor-x: hmm....whts the degree?
[06:52] <josh42> IceDC571; But, if you read it, then why do you say KDE is in legal trouble?
[06:52] <sobersabre> goryo, no. unless you ask a question
[06:53] <Razor-X> IceDC571: free software in general is in legal trouble
[06:53] <goryo> i was asking since 15 mins ago
[06:53] <goryo> had no reply
[06:53] <nathan__> Anyway, Gnome is fine, I have 1600x1200 on a 19" and I can go to bed in peace now.
[06:53] <IceDC571> yeah i guess so
[06:53] <adwait> yeah because of the trusted computing thing right?
[06:53] <sobersabre> goryo, look.. i wasn't here then.
[06:53] <goryo> ok thnx ..
[06:53] <nathan__> I love Linux, I love Ubuntu, I love APT- SIGH!
[06:53] <IceDC571> w32codecs is a good example
[06:53] <IceDC571> i love aptitude
[06:53] <goryo> sobersabre: i need to join a win2003 domain .. how do i do it using ubuntu ?
[06:53] <sobersabre> i love my bride.
[06:54] <IceDC571> i love my imaginary girlfriend
[06:54] <goryo> dont know much 'bout linux system still .. i'm still the young apprentice
[06:54] <gtn> Anyone know where System->Preferneces->Screen Resolution gets it's drop down menu options? I'm trying to set up 1024x768 on my laptop -- I've defined it as a modeline in /etc/x11/xorg.conf and listed it as the only valid mode for my monitor but I can still only chose between 800x600 and 640x480.
[06:54] <sobersabre> goryo, you need to be running a ldap. it is not very trivial.
[06:54] <goryo> aha ... ok ... let me get back to you .. i wanna try that on my own ..
[06:54] <goryo> tnx sobersabre.
[06:54] <josh42> gtn; did you run one of the xconfigs?
[06:54] <adwait> gtn: if i remember correctly u need to edit the file in 2-3 places.....scroll down
[06:54] <sobersabre> IceDC571, and on that I prefer to remain silent. ( if my bride discovers my imaginery gf... hmmm)
[06:55] <sobersabre> goryo, you need to be in the situation, when you know how ldap works and how to control it.
[06:55] <sobersabre> then what you say to samba - that its auth. is ldap named your win2003 server..
[06:56] <gtn> josh42 Yeah, I defined the modeline, my horizontal and vertical refresh in the Monitor section and then in the display subsection in the screen section
[06:56] <sobersabre> IceDC571, it is a joke...
[06:57] <IceDC571> sobersabre: im very slow, appearently
[06:57] <gtn> I'll try reconfiguring again
[06:57] <adwait> gtn: hv u changed for every depth?
[06:57] <sobersabre> so... is there a util that automates network discovery with laptop.
[06:57] <murphy> oh....
[06:57] <murphy> it's NTFS
[06:57] <gtn> adwait yeah, and then to make sure I commented out every depth but 16 and put 16 as the default
[06:57] <gtn> adwait so I'm not sure where it is coming up with the 800x600 I'm running now
[06:58] <sobersabre> IceDC571, it is 8:00 am in here... what's the time at where you are ... ?
[06:58] <jasmuz> guys take care
[06:58] <jasmuz> Ciao
[06:58] <sobersabre> ciao jasmus...
[06:59] <jayparadise> you know whats odd, i can launch gui apps from cli as user but not as su
[06:59] <IceDC571> sobersabre: 10pm
[06:59] <bystander> jayparadise: that's not odd - that's as it should be
[06:59] <adwait> gtn: hmm.........looking at my own file can't find anything diff..
[06:59] <josh42> gtn; that was adwait about the 3 places.. I just run the xconfig apps, and choose my res through a semi-gui page :)
[06:59] <bystander> jayparadise: google "mit magic cookie"
[07:00] <jayparadise> i dislike it, how does that offer more security, i have applications that are rendered useless becuase of this; yes applications ....that i cant currently think of.
[07:00] <gtn> josh42 -- which xconfig? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[07:00] <Razor-X> noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! *in Darth Vade voice*
[07:00] <Razor-X> I have to hit something!!! -_-
[07:00] <bystander> jayparadise: use "gksudo "
[07:00] <hondje> Hit your neighbors cat with a car
[07:01] <josh42> gtn; trying to look that up right now.. it was through the binary driver howto
[07:01] <jayparadise> bystander , i can launch them as user
[07:01] <jayparadise> i would need sudo even as root?
[07:01] <gtn> josh42 thanks
[07:01] <bystander> jayparadise: yes, i understood you the first time :)
[07:01] <goryo> just read what you typed earlier sobersabre
[07:01] <goryo> tnx ...
[07:01] <bystander> jayparadise: don't run gui as root
[07:01] <Razor-X> hondje: but that won't find the polynomial function!
[07:01] <Razor-X> -_-
[07:01] <bystander> jayparadise: use gksudo
[07:01] <adwait> gtn: actually yeah.........y not just change the res thru GUI
[07:01] <hondje> Razor-X: sudo apt-get install octave
[07:02] <hondje> :)
[07:02] <goryo> sobersabre: i can't say i have working knowledge on LDAP ... but ... i'll see what i can do
[07:02] <Razor-X> I already have Maxima ;)
[07:02] <Razor-X> this is a logic question, I don't think a computer can handle such an abstarct question
[07:02] <sobersabre> goryo, if you want to be able to troubleshoot yourself, and to maintain - you must understand ldap.
[07:02] <gtn> adwait the Screen Resolution tool doesn't give me any options except 8x6 and 640x480
[07:02] <sobersabre> goryo, I WASN'T here!
[07:02] <sobersabre> is there irc chat archives anywhere ?
[07:03] <bystander> jayparadise: why would the X server allow another user to use the same display? Think about it...
[07:03] <jayparadise> all i can think of is .bashrc or .profile has something preventing it
[07:03] <goryo> oh ok ... i'll try to read further on LDAP
[07:04] <josh42> gtn; I think this was it: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:04] <adwait> gtn: been there done tht....but tht was with FC3 and the corg.conf was diff for it (somehow......i cant quite remember......but it was much bigger than in ubuntu)
[07:04] <jayparadise> .etc/passwd?
[07:04] <josh42> gtn (or xorg, not xfree.. been a while)
[07:04] <bystander> jayparadise: do you want your ~/.Xauthority file to belong toroot and lock you out?
[07:04] <talios> w00t - got resin/apache2 working
[07:06] <adwait> well i am gonna go read a nice sidney sheldon for a while and thn help a friend in installing ubuntu.....cya guys
[07:06] <sobersabre> guys, need suggestion for an app or a hack: I want not to mess with getting eth0 and eth1 manually at work or home. i want laptop to do this job.
[07:06] <sobersabre> how can i do this ?
[07:06] <vinux> woot! it's nice to be back on ubuntu! I did try debian but I think ubuntu is alot nicer.
[07:06] <gtn> ok, I've reconfigured and will now restart x, cross your fingers.
[07:07] <Razor-X> hondje: you there?
[07:07] <hondje> Razor-X: For some values of "there", yep
[07:08] <Razor-X> hondje: ;)
[07:08] <Razor-X> well
[07:08] <Razor-X> http://www.sosdg.org/~razorx/problem01.pdf
[07:08] <Razor-X> change the extension to .tex, if you want to compile the source
[07:09] <Razor-X> that's what i'm struggling on (well, part of it, I cut of the rest)
[07:09] <hondje> 404 Error!  The page you were looking for could not be found.
[07:10] <Razor-X> woops ;)
[07:11] <ghostbone> Hi everyone
[07:11] <Razor-X> done
[07:11] <bur[n] er> hi
[07:11] <Razor-X> check it now, hondje
[07:11] <josh42> vinux: ubuntu /is/ debian ;)
[07:12] <ghostbone> Ok quick question from me (never happend before and I'm stumped O_o). Basically I want to use NDISWrapper to install my WPC54G(linksys) it picks it up... However... it doesn't recognise it as a network device O_o
[07:12] <vinux> josh42, nope
[07:12] <Razor-X> hondje: any advice? (don't solve it)
[07:13] <hondje> hrm
[07:13] <josh42> vinux; sure it is.. just a variation of it. Dont get me wrong; I love ubuntu and cant stand doing a vanilla debian install, but ubuntu is debian
[07:13] <hondje> makes me think of the mobius function
[07:13] <hondje> in that 1 or 0 sorta way
[07:13] <hondje> though mobius is -1, 0 or 1 for various other reasons
[07:17] <vinux> josh42, I guess I could go with a variation of it. But the goals are different, so that might lead more away from debian in the future
[07:18] <Razor-X> hondje: shhhh!
[07:18] <Razor-X> I don't know the mobius function
[07:18] <Razor-X> it will eventually turn out to be the Lagrange Interpolation Formula
[07:18] <Razor-X> that's for sure
[07:18] <Razor-X> thing about Spivak is, his problems require no math knowledge, it's all explained in the chapter, logic is the key
[07:18] <josh42> vinux; true. I think it would be well-served if the debian dev team got behind ubuntu and helped them towards the goals set out
[07:20] <vinux> josh42, I agree. Besides I think ubuntu is still #1 isn't it? :)
[07:21] <rronkiv> Can anyone in here hack? if you know how to hack into yahoomail accounts please private message me! i ahve a valid reason and will explain in private.
[07:22] <hondje> Razor-X: That wasn't shushable :)
[07:22] <KhaBal> where do you download LAMP from cant find it
[07:22] <hondje> saying mobius doesn't help much at all, though it's a sexy little function
[07:23] <FlannelKing> LAMP is a collection of various software (Linux, Apache, MySQL, and PHP), you don't download it as a whole
[07:23] <hondje> number theorists love that thig
[07:23] <victory747> I have a question:  If I add a deb-src line (but not binaries) of debian's unstable to my sources.list, is it searchable with apt-cache?
[07:23] <synd> how do i reset the sound driver? ever since i put this DVD player in.. the sound playback is a little faster than normal
[07:24] <KhaBal> FlannelKing you need all those programs for LAMP?
[07:24] <victory747> KhaBal, XAMPP is a very nice easy way to play with it all.
[07:25] <FlannelKing> Those programs make up L(inux)A(pache)M(ySQL)P(HP).  You could have a comparable thing not using Linux, or not using MySQL (using BSD, or using PostgreSQL), but yes, that is
[07:26] <victory747> http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html
[07:26] <FlannelKing> LAMP is just an OS (linux), a http server (apache), a database (MySQL) and then a langage to connect the DB to the server (PHP)
[07:27] <FlannelKing> And with Ubuntu, you just get all the files, and Ubuntu takes care of all the setup, it's real nice with the apache organization
[07:28] <FlannelKing> If you google "LAMP Ubuntu" (or something similar) I know youll find a tutorial, since I did just that, a month ago
[07:28] <victory747> you just download it, run it, and when you are done, you can just delete it.  And it has mysql set up for you, not need to worry about setting up accounts, etc.  Of course, it's not very secure, either! :)
[07:28] <FlannelKing> Actually, you can probably just look in the ubuntu forums
[07:28] <victory747> but it's good for testing, development, etc.
[07:28] <FlannelKing> either the newbie section, or the server talk
[07:29] <FlannelKing> don't remember which one off the top of my head
[07:29] <reka> victory747: not sure if this will help, but debian packages can be found @ http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages  (afaik though, it's a bad idea to mix debian packages with ubuntu)
[07:31] <victory747> yeah, that's why i only want to do the source.  But I was wondering how to search it.
[07:31] <vinux> ack I think they took gnomebaker off the sources for awhile :(
[07:33] <reka> victory747: there's a source package radio button you can enable in the search
[07:33] <victory747> oh, is that symantic or something?
[07:34] <smack> wow lots of people in here.
[07:34] <reka> victory747: no, it's on the webpage linked above...scroll down to "search package directories"
[07:34] <siorfin> so does anyone think it is worth having internal agp set to yes for ati cards?
[07:34] <josh42> Ok, now this is starting to bug me alot.. there is nothing that I can see wrong in the Xord.0.log - I have a 9800 pro w/ amd64, and I can not for the life of me get hardware accelleration on
[07:35] <siorfin> the max fps i was getting with fgl_glxgears was like 10 higher with it set to no using agpgart
[07:35] <victory747> oh, ok. Yeah, I know I can search it via the web page.  I was asking about apt-cache, though.
[07:35] <siorfin> did you follow the howto?
[07:35] <reka> josh42: how did you install?
[07:35] <josh42> siorfin: yes
[07:35] <josh42> reka; the binary driver howto
[07:36] <siorfin> are you installing the repository driver or the ati.com driver?
[07:36] <josh42> siorfin; how do you turn fps on the gear thing
[07:36] <josh42> Repository, I think
[07:36] <siorfin> glxgears and fgl_glxgears for testing to see if it works
[07:36] <siorfin> glxinfo
[07:36] <josh42> yes, xorg repository
[07:36] <siorfin> go here
[07:36] <reka> josh42: lsmod | grep "fglrx"
[07:36] <smack> xorg-driver-fglrx package?
[07:37] <victory747> i have another apt-cache question:  how can i have it show version numbers of packages when doing apt-cache search name
[07:37] <victory747> apt-cache search -f name is too verbose
[07:37] <josh42> smack; yep
[07:37] <josh42> reka:  lsmod | grep "fglrx"
[07:37] <josh42> reka - opps, sec
[07:37] <smack> apt-cache show package does it I think.
[07:37] <josh42> reka; fglrx                 262240  27
[07:38] <victory747> but that is also verbose, and is only for one package afaik
[07:38] <reka> hmmm, it's loaded
[07:38] <Jujimufu> if I want to create a launcher for "logging out", how do I do this?
[07:38] <reka> josh42: and you changed "ati" to "fglrx"?
[07:38] <josh42> reka; yeppers
[07:38] <siorfin> you have edited xorg.conf?
[07:38] <Jujimufu> a custom launcher
[07:38] <reka> josh42: and you've rebooted?
[07:38] <smack> josh42: you shouldn't needs the quotes around fglrx when you grep.  saved you 1/5 of a second. :)
[07:39] <siorfin> Section "Device"
[07:39] <siorfin> Identifier "Mobility Radeon 9200"
[07:39] <siorfin> Driver "fglrx"
[07:39] <siorfin> BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
[07:39] <siorfin> should look something like that?
[07:39] <smack> if it's got multiple video outs they'll have different pci numbers too.
[07:39] <reka> Jujimufu: where do you want to place it?
[07:39] <josh42> hrm.. glxinfo says direct rendering: yes
[07:39] <siorfin> also in the howto it says make sure Load "glx" and Load "dri" are in xorg.conf module section
[07:39] <siorfin> if dri is yes then youhave 3d
[07:39] <reka> josh42: then it's enabled :)
[07:39] <siorfin> you are fine
[07:40] <josh42> but
[07:40] <Jujimufu> as a gdesklet starter, reka
[07:40] <siorfin> glxgears and fgl_glxgears to test
[07:40] <josh42> screensavers and darwinia run like garbage
[07:40] <smack> brb
[07:40] <siorfin> could just be your card sucks
[07:40] <siorfin> :)
[07:40] <reka> Jujimufu: ah, gdesklets...can't help you there sorry.  someone else will surely know
[07:40] <josh42> 9800 pro? I hope not :P
[07:40] <siorfin> hmm yeah true
[07:40] <Jujimufu> oop, thanks anyway : )
[07:41] <siorfin> dunno what to tell you there, they run fine on my mobility radeon 9200
[07:41] <reka> josh42: darwinia a game?
[07:41] <airmikey> i tried reinstalling xserver-xorg....but still cant get back to desktop
[07:41] <siorfin> maybe try installing the new ati drivers
[07:41] <siorfin> 8.14.13
[07:41] <siorfin> i did tonight using http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495&page=1&pp=10
[07:41] <josh42> reka; yeah, it's very breakthrough.. same guys that made uplink
[07:41] <siorfin> and i got about a 10% in crease in performance
[07:41] <reka> josh42: b/c usually screensavers aren't the best benchmarking tool.  run a game you've played before and have a look at the fps :)
[07:41] <reka> airmikey: ati or nvidia?
[07:41] <dr_willis> RTCW:ET is fun :P
[07:42] <airmikey> ati
[07:42] <josh42> reka; I've not found a 3d game that's smooth yet
[07:42] <reka> airmikey: what instructions did you follow?
[07:42] <reka> to install
[07:42] <siorfin> should try the ati.com drivers
[07:43] <reka> josh42: hmm, not sure.  maybe try siorfin's suggestion.
[07:43] <airmikey> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[07:43] <siorfin> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495&page=1&pp=10, install the repository drivers first then follow instructions here maybe that will help
[07:43] <josh42> glxgears seems to run good, but I cant see fps, and my cpu is 100%
[07:43] <josh42> Yeah, I am going to try the new driver
[07:43] <siorfin> agpgart uses alot of cpu
[07:43] <reka> josh42: i've heard it's a bit more complicated though.  siorfin will probably help you. :)
[07:44] <josh42> ANy suggestions on semi-decent benchmarking tools? I cant tell if my cpu is picking up the slack on the gears demo
[07:44] <reka> airmikey: need to do more than that :)
[07:44] <reka> airmikey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowTo
[07:44] <siorfin> i upgraded to the ati.com drivers and then blacklisted agpgart and intel_agp then set internalagp yes in xorg.conf
[07:44] <reka> josh42: run glxgears in a terminal and you'll get the FPS
[07:45] <smack> sorry for the joins/parts.. I'm not very talented at this irc thing.
[07:45] <josh42> woah.. glxgears: 1697fps
[07:45] <Luakagon> Hi thank you for being here, I want to find what my screen color depth is set to and I might want to change it, can someone help me?
[07:45] <josh42> 2697, that is
[07:45] <siorfin> thats pretty sucky honestly
[07:45] <siorfin> my mobility 9200 gets 1485
[07:45] <siorfin> radeon 9800 should blow that out of the water
[07:46] <siorfin> that is like 200ish higher
[07:46] <siorfin> considering i got a 400+ increase by upgrading a driver that isnt alot
[07:46] <reka> siorfin: he said 2697 :)
[07:46] <siorfin> oh lol
[07:46] <josh42> yeah, sry :)
[07:46] <siorfin> thats better :)
[07:46] <reka> josh42: compare with other 9800pro owners
[07:46] <siorfin> was gonna say
[07:46] <josh42> Anyone in here going to fess up? ;)
[07:47] <siorfin> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39349
[07:47] <siorfin> check that thread
[07:47] <smack> hey I had a x question if you guys would let me run it by you.
[07:47] <siorfin> lots of benchmarks
[07:47] <smack> when I start up my games like postal/tribes2 it switches my refresh rate to 60hz.
[07:48] <sobersabre> WOW you are all corrupt bastards ( with these FPS's )
[07:48] <sobersabre> :)
[07:48] <josh42> yeah, closest system specs: 4000fps
[07:48] <siorfin> should really upgrade your driver to 8.14.13 via the howto i posted earlier
[07:48] <siorfin> its pretty easy
[07:48] <Luakagon> I am playing a DVD and it's dropping frames, I want to get the best performance that i can, can someone please help me figure out what my color depth is?
[07:48] <siorfin> just run the installer and reboot, your xorg.conf should already be setup
[07:48] <reka> Luakagon: you mean choppy playback?  have you enabled DMA?
[07:49] <siorfin> i got  10% increase i bet you get atleast that easily on a radeon 9800 pro
[07:49] <josh42> Luakagon: Yeah, I bet you DMA is off
[07:49] <smack> is it possible to delete the whole Display section of my xorg.conf file and only leave my modelines in for the res/refresh I need? I tried it but my x server wouldn't start.
[07:49] <siorfin> i got a 11% increase in fgl_glxgears and like 50% increase in glxgears
[07:49] <siorfin> with latest driver
[07:50] <siorfin> compared to the repository driver
[07:50] <josh42> Ok, I'm going to run through it
[07:50] <Luakagon> I did xine-check expecting this about five times
[07:50] <Luakagon> but its fine now, strange huh?
[07:52] <josh42> nice.. 600KB/s on the driver file.. yay ati :)
[07:52] <siorfin> also might try adding
[07:52] <siorfin> 	# [07:52] <siorfin> 	Option "AGPMode" "4"
[07:52] <siorfin> 	Option "EnablePageFlip" "on"
[07:52] <siorfin> 	Option "AGPFastWrite" "on"
[07:52] <josh42> where at?
[07:52] <siorfin> to xorg.conf driver setup, might see an increase might not
[07:52] <siorfin> i got a little bit more
[07:53] <magog> i got some windows enviroments, but theyre not in my sessions list, the ones that arent are oroborus and kahakai, can i add it manually to the list or something?
[07:53] <reka> smack: yes, you can remove unwanted resolutions.  what error did you get when X failed to start?
[07:53] <siorfin> there are some more tweaks you cando prolly for radeon 9800 but i dont remember all the options, google imo
[07:53] <airmikey> 256mb is how many kb's ?
[07:53] <Miks> i installed KDE "kubuntu" using synaptic...but now i want to remove it....remove all KDE from ubuntu completely...i tried just removing the files i installed "kubuntu-desktop" and "kubuntu-default-setting"...but KDE is still on my sistem....how can i remove it?
[07:53] <josh42> siorfin: should I do the xorg? or freex?
[07:53] <siorfin> josh, at the end of that howto link i posted for upgrading to 8.14.13 i posted my xorg.conf, you can see where to post it there
[07:54] <siorfin> just follow the howto i posted, scroll up
[07:54] <reka> airmikey: ~256,000 (i hope i'm right) :)
[07:54] <siorfin> you should select auto and let the setup package decide for you basically
[07:54] <josh42> siorfin: should I do the xorg? or freex?
[07:54] <siorfin> but ubuntu uses xorg not xfree just fyi
[07:54] <josh42> oop
[07:55] <siorfin> laters
[07:55] <josh42> siorfin; yours went to xorg, I assume
[07:55] <siorfin> yes
[07:55] <siorfin> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:55] <siorfin> that should tell you all you need to know :)
[07:55] <Luakagon> ok bye now
[07:55] <Luakagon> nevermind
[07:55] <Luakagon> :)
[07:55] <magog> anyone have experiance with kahakai in ubuntu? i have all the dependacies than installed from a .deb but its not in my sessions list
[07:58] <tomchuk> magog: kahakai is dead and no longer maintained
[07:58] <magog> but hypothetically it should still work, and its not in my sessions list nor is oroborus which i got off synaptic
[07:59] <Luakagon> ive never heard of this before.  what is kahakai like?
[07:59] <reka> magog: iirc, you need to edit a file to change your default wm.  i haven't done this myself though.
[08:00] <reka> fluxbox users should know
[08:00] <dr_willis> the .xinitrc file can be edited. :P then you can boot to the console and use 'startx'
[08:00] <reka> magog: there you go :)
[08:01] <dr_willis> or theres some others.
[08:01] <tomchuk> magog: you'd have to create a kahakai.desktop file and add it to your /usr/share/xsessions
[08:01] <magog> so tomchuk ty
[08:01] <tomchuk> look at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20216&highlight=e17
[08:03] <tomchuk> Luakagon: kahakai was kinda neat - sorta like fluxbox with good scriptability and some toys, but according to the lead dev the code was: "too messy and bloated and was a lost cause"
[08:03] <tomchuk> most of the code was inherited from another mostly dead WM named waimea
[08:03] <Luakagon> o/~baby youre a lost cause
[08:04] <tomchuk> I think I've got a screenshot lying around somewhere...
[08:04] <mae> is there anyway to reset permissions to default state .. i accidentally did a _very_ large borking with chown as root
[08:04] <mae> any way besides reinstallation?
[08:04] <Luakagon> I hope so
[08:05] <dr_willis> "matchbox" is an interesting windowmanager also. :P
[08:05] <josh42> mae; personally I'm not sure, but I feel your pain.. there should be a way to have permissions templates
[08:06] <mae> hmmm :9
[08:06] <mae> i just screwed my whol system
[08:07] <mae> i just had finished configuring almost everything too
[08:07] <mae> AGH
[08:07] <Luakagon> Game over.
[08:07] <mae> man this sucks.
[08:08] <mae> i get to careless in su sometimes ;(
[08:09] <mae> too *
[08:09] <josh42> Anyone? Installing the new ati drivers: do I want to initialiaze xfree86-dga? (I'm using xorg)
[08:09] <fr500> hello
[08:09] <fr500> has anyone had network (cable network) problems when interface is under heavy traffic?
[08:10] <Madeye> hey, what does this mean "The following packages have been kept back:" ?
[08:10] <josh42> fr500; like cable problems how? disconnects?
[08:10] <reka> Madeye: where'd you see it?
[08:10] <fr500> josh42, i meant it's not a wireless network, the interface just shuts down, i have to ifup it again
[08:11] <josh42> fr500: yeah, I've had that.. 75% of the time it's heat on the network chip
[08:11] <Madeye> reka, after apt-get update && upgrade and thos are the packages acroread libpostproc0 libxvidcore4 mplayer-386
[08:12] <fr500> josh42, only happens with ubuntu
[08:12] <tomchuk> Luakagon: Found that kahakai screenshot: http://tomchuk.com/images/shots/shot_11-04-03.png featuring the defunct Velocity file manager, the very first release of Beep Media Player, Gimp 2.0.0, etc
[08:12] <josh42> fr500; I would still check with a canfan pointed at the chip.. just in case
[08:12] <learn25> hello people ;-)
[08:12] <learn25> hello people ;-)
[08:13] <fr500> josh42, ok
[08:13] <learn25> help please. how to install skype?
[08:13] <Luakagon> that is slightly annoying:/ big screenshot
[08:13] <reka> Madeye: was this from warty to hoary?
[08:13] <learn25> is there an apt-get for skype?
[08:13] <josh42> tomchuk: nice wm.. lean
[08:14] <Luakagon> cool tomchuk but I don't have a monitor shaped like that :/
[08:14] <tomchuk> hehe - put three together :)
[08:14] <tomchuk> I had 6 at one point
[08:14] <reka> tomchuk: nice to see a bmp user.
[08:14] <goofyheadedpunk> I just installed Ubuntu on an HP Pavilion N3390 and both the console and X environments had a ~3cm border around the content of the screen and the border of the monitor. The console gap was fixed by using a 1024x784 frame buffer, but I don't know how to fix X or even what to google for. An image is here:  http://img293.echo.cx/img293/3444/sharonlaptopscreengap9qv.jpg Anyone have any idea what's going on?
[08:14] <Dreamer3_> what's the best way for linux and windows users to voice chat?
[08:14] <learn25> help please. how to install skype?
[08:14] <Dreamer3_> ie, a program tha "just works" with firewalls and such...
[08:15] <learn25> skype is for voice chat
[08:15] <tomchuk> reka: I actually wrote the gentoo ebuild for it back in the day
[08:15] <josh42> Dreamer3_; Skype
[08:15] <learn25> anybody knows how to install Skype?
[08:15] <Dreamer3_> josh42: but it's not apt-gettable?
[08:15] <dr_willis> check the ubuntu wiki's yet?
[08:16] <josh42> yeah, or the forum?
[08:16] <synd> installing ubuntu.. and im getting an error
[08:16] <reka> tomchuk: wow.
[08:16] <synd> "Couldn't retrieve bsdutils."
[08:16] <tomchuk> goofyheadedpunk: try googleing for a modeline for your laptop
[08:16] <josh42> Not apt-gettable, no.. I have a tonne repositories, and it's not in there
[08:16] <synd> says it could be due to a network problem or my installation method
[08:16] <synd> any help"
[08:17] <Luakagon> hmm, I use a laptop, cant get any more monitors or I'd need to get in better shape ;)
[08:17] <Dreamer3_> josh42: but i'll work better than netmeeting/gnomemeeting?
[08:17] <Dreamer3_> (which almost never work if someone has a firewall)
[08:17] <tomchuk> goofyheadedpunk: or if you know the monitors specs go to http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
[08:17] <fr500> josh42, this issue happens even on low traffic
[08:17] <synd> nalioth_zZzZzZz: ugh
[08:17] <goofyheadedpunk> tomchuk: I'll try that and report back.
[08:17] <reka> goofyheadedpunk: this might also be helpful: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolution
[08:17] <Madeye> reka,  hoary
[08:18] <goofyheadedpunk> reka: Did you mean this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:18] <FlannelKing> skype: http://ubuntuguide.org/#skype
[08:19] <reka> Madeye: simple google search returned this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/26/2003/10/4/108673
[08:20] <reka> goofyheadedpunk: yes. sorry.
[08:20] <FlannelKing> learn25: http://ubuntuguide.org/#skype
[08:21] <jeavis> hello How I Can Install Java SDK in my Ubuntu
[08:22] <sobersabre> jeavis,  do you want to be able to update/upgrade or your installing for NFS share ?
[08:22] <tomchuk> jeavis: http://wiki.arslinux.com/Debian#Java_1.5
[08:22] <sobersabre> ( i mean and then you will have several versions of java )
[08:22] <josh42> Dreamer3_; Try it out.. it's designed for regular ppl :)
[08:23] <josh42> k, hopefully be right back.. always trepidation on driver install
[08:23] <jeavis> tomchuk; I need to program some applets and applications
[08:24] <tomchuk> jeavis: follow the instructions on that page and you'll have a properly set up jdk
[08:24] <jeavis> tomchuk; thanks
[08:25] <tomchuk> np
[08:27] <sobersabre> btw, will make-jpkg work with SDK too ?
[08:27] <sobersabre> the example is JRE
[08:28] <sobersabre> and what about the docs ?
[08:28] <ogge> When is Xgl gonna be released in a sharp, stable version? What possibilities will it give?
[08:29] <visor> hi guys
[08:29] <MyKq3> good morningy
[08:29] <goofyheadedpunk> Reka, thanks. I'd been systematically forgetting horizsync. Silly me.
[08:29] <goofyheadedpunk> visor: Hi.
[08:29] <reka> goofyheadedpunk: np.  glad you fixed it.
[08:30] <visor> haha the topic is funny (please dont use breezy yet... really) :P
[08:30] <goofyheadedpunk> reka: Me too. Oh man am I ever glad.
[08:30] <reka> goofyheadedpunk: :)
[08:30] <visor> do you guys know what thing must be used in order to have access to a cellphone in linux?
[08:30] <tomchuk> sobersabre, jeavis: crap, those are jre directions, I didn't even look
[08:30] <goofyheadedpunk> Can't believe I forgot horizsync for so long though. The crazy things I overlook sometimes. Hehe.
[08:30] <visor> i have really no idea of that, dmesg says the usual about isdn and usb interfaces
[08:30] <tomchuk> sobersabre, jeavis: I think there might be a jdk package in hoary-extras
[08:31] <topyli> visor: depends on the phone. gammu, gnokii. there's something for siemens phones
[08:31] <visor> but, is there some software or something to control cellphones in linux?
[08:31] <sobersabre> tomchuk, i don't think.
[08:31] <topyli> visor: i use p3nfs to access my phone's file system
[08:31] <sobersabre> i think the most robust and working way is to install the package ffrom sun, and update JAVA_HOME,JRE_HOME and PATH.
[08:31] <visor> topily: mine is a Motorola E380
[08:31] <tomchuk> sobersabre: well, anyways I think that make-jpkg will work with the jdk as well
[08:31] <sobersabre> but it is not upgradeable or uninstallable.
[08:32] <topyli> visor: see if gammu supports it
[08:32] <sobersabre> oh...lemme try
[08:32] <visor> topily: im checking it, thank you very much
[08:32] <Surye> What wireless chipset for a 802.11g PCMCIA card is reccomended for high compatibility?
[08:33] <Surye> is ndiswrapper compatible with ubuntu
[08:33] <ogge> do you need bluetooth on your phone to access to the cellphone with p3nfs?
[08:34] <alka_trash> Surye, yes ndiswrapper works fine
[08:35] <MyKq3> hello =] 
[08:35] <jeavis> tomchuk; how I can program and compile in emacs in java mode
[08:35] <Surye> Alright, I'll just find a card supported by ndiswrapper then. Thanks
[08:35] <omer> Heyy
[08:35] <alka_trash> Surye:
[08:35] <MyKq3> does any  one here know some good find file/folders program for gnome ?
[08:35] <alka_trash> Surye: card for desktop or laptop
[08:35] <omer> Which Kernel I have in ubuntu 5.04?
[08:35] <MyKq3> about*
[08:35] <Surye> alka_trash: laptop
[08:36] <ukato> anyone use vsftpd?
[08:36] <tomchuk> jeavis: I don't use emacs, but try googleing "java emacs" and you'll get a few hits
[08:36] <tomchuk> ukato: yup
[08:36] <alka_trash> Surye: check check it out!   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[08:36] <ukato> could you help me :P
[08:36] <tomchuk> suer
[08:36] <tomchuk> *sure
[08:36] <omer> How can I know which kernel I have?
[08:37] <ukato> tomchuk, can i PM you
[08:37] <tomchuk> sure
[08:37] <reka> omer: uname -r
[08:37] <alka_trash> Surye: I would try to get one with native support :)
[08:37] <Surye> alka_trash: Perfect! Thank you ^^
[08:37] <omer> Thank you
[08:37] <rob^> during a dist-upgrade to breezy I'm getting a lot of the following http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/296 is this a problem?
[08:38] <reka> rob^: you *do* know that breezy is still under development don't you? (read topic)
[08:38] <alka_trash> Surye:  I have the netgear WG311v2 and works out of the box
[08:39] <rob^> reka, yes, but its a bit hard to write documentation for something when you dont know what it is
[08:40] <sobersabre> trying to use the fakeroot: /home/XXXXX/jdk-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin: line 524: /usr/share/application-registry/java-web-start.applications: Permission denied
[08:41] <sobersabre> why ?
[08:42] <ubuntu> /server frigid.wasteland.org
[08:43] <synd> installing ubuntu.. and its asking which kernel to isntall.. lunux-386, linux-image-386, or linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[08:43] <synd> which to pick?
[08:43] <synd> linux-386*
[08:44] <robitaille> synd: they are all the same...
[08:44] <lampshade> anyone use python in here with ubuntu?  I just apt-get'ed some wxPython examples and the demo doesn't even run, says it can't import module main.  Ideas?  Apt-get installed this.. I thought it would work
[08:44] <synd> robitaille: alright. guess its a new thing with the new ubuntu cds.. never have came across the before
[08:44] <reka> synd: weird.  i never get that.  you're the 2nd one i've seen ask.
[08:44] <holycow> well, did you install python?
[08:44] <holycow> and how did you try to run the demos?
[08:44] <rob^> ahuman01, ok just had to wait for it to generate locales.. never mind
[08:45] <holycow> and yes, python works fine on debian/ubuntu, why wouldn't it?
[08:45] <rob^> stupid xchat
[08:45] <synd> reka: im using one of them official ubuntu cds..
[08:45] <robitaille> linux-386 is just a metapackage that points to the latest kernel..currently 2.6.10-5
[08:45] <reka> synd: so did i.
[08:45] <lampshade> python comes by default with ubuntu.  I think I know the problem though, I think that because of the debian way of gunzipping certain things, a needed file is gunzipped up
[08:45] <synd> ive installed ubuntu maybe 10-15 times and never came across this before either : /
[08:45] <reka> synd: well that's gonna confuse some windows users. :)
[08:45] <lampshade> You know, that thing where like /usr/share/docs are sometimes gunzipped.?
[08:45] <reka> synd: from the same cd?
[08:45] <synd> i know!
[08:46] <synd> nah, this is the first time i used the official CD
[08:46] <holycow> oh right ubuntu team uses python a lot, makes sense
[08:46] <reka> synd: ah.  must be newer ones than.
[08:46] <holycow> did you install wxpython then?
[08:46] <holycow> heh, i've never not had wxpy not work on my box
[08:46] <synd> reka: it may be cause its got a network connection?
[08:47] <synd> its seeing a more recent kernel than the ones on the cd?
[08:47] <reka> synd: probably.  i
[08:47] <reka> *'m still on dialup so i skip the network detect
[08:47] <omer> ln -sf you_linux_source_dir linux
[08:48] <synd> ahh i see. this is the first time ive done the network detect as well
[08:48] <robitaille> synd:  that's probably it:  you are probably picking up the latest kernel security update
[08:48] <omer> What I need to write in place of "you_linux_sourc"?
[08:48] <robitaille> via the network
[08:48] <reka> synd: mystery solved. :)
[08:50] <synd> reka: yea, i think so too
[08:50] <synd> that ubuntu, a smart fellow
[08:51] <synd> : D
[08:52] <freddy_> omfg this distro makes me jizz
[08:52] <freddy_> it is so awesome.
[08:53] <freddy_> now, how to figure if i have nvidia installed
[08:53] <freddy_> glxgears...damn i cant remember the command
[08:54] <reka> freddy_: glxinfo | grep direct
[08:54] <sly> lmao, you sound a little bit too excited
[08:54] <freddy_> dude im serious
[08:54] <freddy_> i found "the" distro
[08:54] <freddy_> i mean, im not serious about jizzing
[08:54] <Prottie> freddy_: we all have :D
[08:55] <reka> i know i've stopped jumping.
[08:55] <Prottie> debian with graphical browsers etc ;)
[08:56] <KhaBal> how do i install LAMP?
[08:57] <topyli> KhaBal: install linux, apache, mysql and perl :)
[08:57] <erommer> lol
[08:57] <topyli> or php
[08:57] <Prottie> or php :P
[08:57] <KhaBal> install linux? im already on linux
[08:57] <bimberi> s/perl/php ???
[08:57] <topyli> hehe
[08:57] <topyli> bimberi: it's a choice
[08:57] <sly> freddy_ where you from ?
[08:57] <bimberi> topyli: k
[08:57] <KhaBal> apache, myql and perl?
[08:58] <KhaBal> Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP
[08:58] <KhaBal> i think thats all you need
[08:58] <topyli> yeah well i guess it's php really
[08:58] <Prottie> whats the hype about mysql actually? why do ppl prefer that over post?
[08:58] <freddy_> venezuela sly
[08:58] <Prottie> is it better on anything at all?
[08:58] <KhaBal> do you need perl?
[08:58] <gobeavs> does anyone know of any howto/guide for getting good multimedia support in hoary? Play mp3s, wma, wmv, etc
[08:58] <sly> nice :)
[08:58] <freddy_> sly, does my english sucks THAT bad?
[08:58] <sly> not at all , its almost as good as mine if not better
[08:59] <sly> and im from england
[08:59] <topyli> Prottie: it's just fashion
[08:59] <ogge>   gobeavs,, apt-get install vlc
[08:59] <bimberi> Prottie: apparently it's faster - hence better for web based apps on the 'net
[08:59] <reka> gobeavs: we can help you out. :)
[08:59] <topyli> KhaBal: i don't think you can even install debian/ubuntu without perl
[08:59] <gobeavs> reka: ok....you wanna start? :P
[08:59] <freddy_> sly, so how you noticed i wasnt all english? hehe
[08:59] <sly> i dont cme across many people that are in linux chans :(
[08:59] <reka> !restricted
[08:59] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:59] <KhaBal> topyli: there so many apache files do you need them all?
[08:59] <sly> come*
[08:59] <gobeavs> ogge: never heard of it.....I'll look into it, thanks
[08:59] <KhaBal> topyli: lol
[09:00] <reka> gobeavs: start with ubotu's output link
[09:00] <KhaBal> whats perl the command thing?
[09:00] <ogge> gobeavs, try it out! you have to be logged in as sudo first.
[09:00] <ogge> type sudo su
[09:00] <gobeavs> reka? output link?
[09:00] <topyli> KhaBal: just apache, then think what modules you need. google for a lamp tutorial
[09:00] <reka> gobeavs: see what ubotu said.
[09:00] <reka> gobeavs: or do what ogge said. :)
[09:00] <freddy_> sly, i would love to go to england some day :(
[09:00] <KhaBal> topyli: can you just get every module?
[09:00] <freddy_> it looks lovely =/
[09:00] <topyli> KhaBal: there must be a "install lamp in 10 minutes" howto on the web
[09:01] <gobeavs> oh
[09:01] <gobeavs> ok
[09:01] <gobeavs> I thought you misstyped ubuntu :D
[09:01] <reka> ogge: you should recommend just plain sudo.  no need to sudo su
[09:01] <omer> How can I install Java (sun) to firefox?
[09:01] <gobeavs> ok, I'll try it out ogge
[09:01] <gobeavs> i've got su set up, don't like sudo :-P
[09:01] <KhaBal> http://www.mkaz.com/reference/php/setup_linux.html   ??
[09:01] <topyli> KhaBal: it all depends on the application you will be running
[09:01] <ogge> reka. ok.
[09:01] <ogge> sudo apt-get install vlc
[09:01] <Prottie> sudo su -
[09:01] <Prottie> ;)
[09:02] <gobeavs> what advantage does vlc have over something like mplayer?
[09:02] <ogge> vlc plays video and music. plays everything.
[09:02] <gobeavs> ok
[09:02] <ogge> over mplayer, I dont know.
[09:02] <d-man> hey
[09:02] <ogge> they are similar.
[09:02] <Prottie> I use vlc when mplayer have problems and mplayer when vlc have problems.
[09:02] <d-man> anyone here use unixshell.com for vps hosting with ubuntu?
[09:02] <topyli> KhaBal: the tutorial installs everything from source
[09:02] <sly> isnt all that good freddy_ :)
[09:03] <topyli> KhaBal: understandable, it's on fedora :)
[09:03] <_root_> can anybody helpme to uresolve this error....Caught signal 11.  Server aborting
[09:03] <ogge> What you guys think about Xgl? "Next generation graphicshandler for linux"?
[09:03] <gobeavs> Prottie: ok, thanks....this is why I think Linux isn't ready for primetime :D
[09:04] <gobeavs> ogge: is that the open-source graphics card? Or somethign else?
[09:04] <gobeavs> *related to it
[09:04] <freddy_> sly, hells yeah, and i just saw a few pictures of the apple store there.....even an APPLE store looks nice there :P
[09:04] <ogge> open-source openGL I think. Not really sure.
[09:04] <sly> i didnt even knew we got an apple store ;)
[09:04] <reka> ogge: OS-dependent?
[09:04] <ogge> hope it could fasten up the GUI in linux a bit.
[09:04] <ogge> reka, dont think so.
[09:05] <freddy_> sly, your missing all the fun, it looks like a museum
[09:05] <freddy_> lol
[09:05] <Prottie> gobeavs: well I am doing the same in macosx :)
[09:05] <Prottie> gobeavs: and in windows I am not able to play everything without looking for codecs everywhere...so..
[09:06] <gobeavs> Prottie: really? I haven't really found anything WinMedia player 10 won't play
[09:06] <Prottie> gobeavs: you need to watch more pr0n man :P
[09:06] <sly> lmao
[09:06] <reka> gobeavs: divx avis
[09:06] <freddy_> karsten, !!! can you show me the screenshot you showed me the other day? in linuxpeach.com? ive been looking for that screenshots for days lol
[09:06] <gobeavs> Prottie: I think I'll pass :-P
[09:07] <FlannelKing> KhaBal, search for LAMP in the ubuntuforums, theres at least two tutorials
[09:07] <freddy_> kassetra, i mean
[09:07] <KhaBal> ok
[09:07] <reka> gobeavs: quicktime, realmedia
[09:07] <freddy_> kassetra, !!! can you show me the screenshot you showed me the other day? in linuxpeach.com? ive been looking for that screenshots for days lol
[09:07] <freddy_> jesus who owns linuxpeach.com kassetra or karsten ? hehehe
[09:08] <sly> hmm slight question
[09:08] <sly> how the hell i remove the update icon out of the notification area ?
[09:09] <reka> sly: update :P
[09:09] <freddy_> updating LOL
[09:09] <freddy_> :P
[09:09] <sly> i have updated =\
[09:09] <gobeavs> reka: fine, it won't play .mov :D
[09:09] <sly> but it just greys it out
[09:09] <freddy_> update MORE!
[09:09] <freddy_> haha
[09:09] <gobeavs> so I need quicktime...but I dont run into that that much
[09:09] <gobeavs> ogge: thanks for the vlc recommendation...worked for an mpg (I know, it isn't the toughest test :D)
[09:09] <freddy_> sly, a piece of duck tape works....
[09:09] <freddy_> :P
[09:10] <sly> haha
[09:10] <reka> sly: do you have anything else you need in the notification area?
[09:10] <pastyhermit> alright...
[09:11] <sly> yeh , gaim azureus, couple other things , and i cant be doing with gaim/azureus constantly open by removing the area
[09:12] <sly> but overall its a small annoyance that i can live with =D
[09:12] <reka> sly: ah.  yep, was gonna tell you to remove it. :)
[09:12] <budish76> hello
[09:12] <budish76> anyone can help me
[09:12] <gobeavs> whats your question?
[09:13] <budish76> i would like to open the folder at my partition which last xandros linux installation
[09:13] <freddy_> sly, jesus..im finding it like imposible man
[09:13] <budish76> which the home folder
[09:13] <budish76> how could i do this on ubuntu?
[09:13] <sly> for what dude ?
[09:13] <freddy_> i got an idea....make a square of that size and the color of the menu....and change the icon for that square
[09:14] <freddy_> sly, the icon removing
[09:14] <sly> its ok i just banged the notification area to top left of screen on its own
[09:14] <sly> as so its out of my way
[09:14] <freddy_> any of you guys have an screenshot that i can see? :D
[09:14] <sly> www.freewebs.com/sly86/screen.png
[09:15] <reka> budish76: mount the partition
[09:15] <ukato> heh
[09:17] <freddy_> nice sly thanks
[09:18] <Deanodriver> hi
[09:18] <freddy_> ok reboot time
[09:18] <sly> reboot ?
[09:18] <sly> whats that word ?
[09:18] <Deanodriver> i'm having issues playing mp3's or videos with any app (totem won't work, neither does XMMS or Music Player), but the sound works fine in apps such as Gaim, anyone got any ideas?
[09:19] <freddy_> yes, =/
[09:19] <freddy_> hehe
[09:19] <sly> reboot for what ?
[09:19] <IceDC571> i wish my friends would really consider switching to linux instead of having a spyware os
[09:19] <IceDC571> doesnt gaim os OSS output?
[09:19] <IceDC571> use*
[09:19] <Deanodriver> mine's set to Automatic :P
[09:19] <reka> budish76: keep it in the channel please.  more people can help that way. :)
[09:19] <IceDC571> Deanodriver: try to use OSS output for xmms let me know if it works
[09:19] <Deanodriver> how do i set it?
[09:20] <IceDC571> its in the preferences
[09:20] <freddy_> sly, play CS...in....win*cough*dows
[09:20] <Deanodriver> it's already set to OSS
[09:20] <IceDC571> try alsa
[09:20] <reka> Deanodriver: change it *from* OSS
[09:20] <Deanodriver> oh
[09:20] <Deanodriver> :)
[09:20] <sly> you know with a full day of trouble you can get that working =\
[09:20] <budish76> ok
[09:20] <Deanodriver> Couldn't open audio with ALSA
[09:20] <budish76> reka: thks
[09:21] <Deanodriver> esound seems to work, though
[09:21] <freddy_> now brb
[09:21] <IceDC571> Deanodriver: thats your problem, alsa is probably broken
[09:21] <Deanodriver> thanks
[09:21] <Deanodriver> ahh
[09:21] <Deanodriver> stupid onboard sound
[09:21] <Deanodriver> worked fine on my other mobo :)
[09:21] <reka> Deanodriver: no, it's a common problem
[09:21] <Deanodriver> yeah?
[09:21] <Deanodriver> put a new board in with a different chipset
[09:21] <reka> yep.  everyone has to change the output plugin it seems. :)
[09:22] <Deanodriver> sound and everything worked beautifully with my old board
[09:22] <Deanodriver> but this one was having major issues
[09:22] <IceDC571> Deanodriver: what onboard chipset do you have?
[09:22] <Deanodriver> what, motherboard chipset?
[09:22] <IceDC571> ys
[09:22] <Deanodriver> SiS 741GX :(
[09:22] <KhaBal> what files are needed in synaptic to get LAMP working?
[09:23] <Deanodriver> took my old board (which had a VIA KT600) back for warranty, and this was the only one they had in stock
[09:23] <Deanodriver> Asus A7S8X-MX
[09:23] <IceDC571> yeah SiS for me works half of the time
[09:23] <Deanodriver> yeah
[09:23] <holycow> speaking of chipsets, which would be considered the best supported?
[09:23] <Deanodriver> i used to get mp3's playing while holding the mouse over the file in nautilus, but even that doesn't seem to work anymore
[09:24] <Deanodriver> intel?
[09:24] <Deanodriver> or via?
[09:24] <holycow> not via
[09:24] <Deanodriver> although you'd think nvidia would be pretty decent
[09:24] <holycow> via are assholes, they support nothing open source
[09:24] <IceDC571> they support M$ 64 bit
[09:24] <Luakagon> well, I don't support anything open source, I just use it.
[09:24] <IceDC571> which shouldnt matter to me anymore since im all for linux
[09:24] <KhaBal> what files are needed in synaptic to get LAMP working?
[09:25] <holycow> i don't use windows, i dont give a rats ass if it works with it
[09:25] <holycow> :)
[09:25] <Deanodriver> have you selected the right repositories KhaBal?
[09:25] <holycow> oh wait scratch that via comment
[09:25] <Deanodriver> although i don't know if it'd matter
[09:25] <holycow> its asus that is anty open source
[09:25] <holycow> okay i rememberd my hate
[09:25] <holycow> :)
[09:25] <Deanodriver> yeah, I don't like Asus either
[09:25] <IceDC571> well the last mobo i used was a via supporting amd64, everything worked real nicely in linux
[09:25] <budish76> reka: pls explain how to mount partition thks
[09:26] <Deanodriver> but a working asus is better than a dead Gigabyte, just
[09:26] <IceDC571> Deanodriver: i'm impressed you don't like asus
[09:26] <Deanodriver> I've never liked Asus
[09:26] <Deanodriver> especially their BIOS's
[09:26] <Deanodriver> *shudder*
[09:26] <IceDC571> personally i like abit, but i wont go out buying that fatal1ty crap
[09:26] <KhaBal> Deanodriver: thats what im asking, whats the right repositories to LAMP? well annd the LAMP files are already in synaptic
[09:26] <holycow> asus is fine if your a windows weenie, they are hardcore against open source tho
[09:26] <IceDC571> i hate even spelling it
[09:27] <Deanodriver> KhaBal, no idea :)
[09:27] <Deanodriver> soon as I get the money, new mobo and CPU :)
[09:27] <reka> budish76: sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[09:27] <IceDC571> what mobo brand are you going to get?
[09:27] <Deanodriver> not sure
[09:27] <Deanodriver> I would have gone Gigabyte
[09:27] <Deanodriver> but I've had three die in three months
[09:28] <Deanodriver> possibly Abit
[09:28] <Deanodriver> my last Abit board was excellent
[09:28] <IceDC571> yeah you cant go wrong with an abit, as long as you dont buy their high end crap
[09:28] <IceDC571> like the fatal1ty series that comes with fans everywhere, decorations
[09:28] <Deanodriver> I once paid $270AUD for an Abit KT7A, and didn't overclock it at all
[09:28] <Deanodriver> with a shitty Duron that cost less than half of that :P
[09:29] <reka> budish76: and paste the output in paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:29] <holycow> tyan supposedly is supposed to move all their mobos to linux bios at some point
[09:29] <smack> openbios? I doubt it.
[09:29] <holycow> once they do that, i will be looking vey favourably toward them
[09:29] <holycow> doubt it?
[09:29] <holycow> i have the presidents interview
[09:29] <smack> eventually as in 2020?
[09:29] <holycow> tyan developers are on the openbios mailing lists
[09:29] <holycow> contributing daily
[09:29] <IceDC571> i forgot about tyan
[09:29] <holycow> i don't see where the scepticism is
[09:30] <holycow> i'm on the mailing list
[09:30] <Deanodriver> I bet there's a majority of Tyan boards in Linux machines
[09:30] <holycow> Deanodriver, so far i've bought mobos on chipsets, and they have ranged all over the place, but never asus
[09:30] <smack> I'm skeptical of everything.. who are you?!
[09:30] <smack> ok well that's interesting.
[09:31] <Deanodriver> holycow, yeah, I've had no problems with the VIA chipsets
[09:31] <holycow> smack, i read an interview with they tyan president over a year ago about t heir move to linux bios on ALL mobos ...
[09:31] <holycow> ... and signed on the linux bios mailing list to check out the hubub
[09:31] <holycow> their devs are on there
[09:31] <IceDC571> but does tyan currently make good solid motherboards?
[09:31] <Deanodriver> I'd assume so
[09:31] <smack> holycow: like they'd make all their boards linuxbios capable or they'd only put linuxbios on them all?
[09:31] <holycow> while who knows how long it will take, i see it as an extremely positive quantity of work going on
[09:32] <Deanodriver> since they're server boards
[09:32] <IceDC571> ohhh..
[09:32] <holycow> well if i can find the article ... you can read for your self and judge if its just bs
[09:32] <smack> I don't really see much advantage except for clustering or something. I heard you can boot faster and update your bios remotely.
[09:32] <Deanodriver> so I'll have to reinstall Alsa?
[09:33] <Adross> anyone here tried cedega?
[09:33] <smack> yup I'm running it.
[09:33] <Adross> does it run well?
[09:33] <Adross> what games do u play on it?
[09:33] <parabolize> Adross: for some games yes
[09:34] <smack> I probably shouldn't shoot off at the mouth about linuxbios.. I hardly know anything about it. Sometimes my mouth is faster than my mind. ;)
[09:34] <smack> Well I've tried two games on it so far.
[09:34] <smack> I've tried warcraft3 frozen throne and GTA San Andreas.
[09:34] <Adross> how did they go?
[09:34] <holycow> http://www.linuxforums.org/news/article-22231.html  <-- click on the link in that post
[09:34] <holycow> you tell me
[09:34] <smack> the side scrolling by moving your mouse to the edges of the screen is broken unless you run it in opengl mode.
[09:34] <holycow> okay less than a year ago
[09:35] <smack> in opengl mode it doesn't want to switch resolutions however.
[09:35] <smack> other than that it gets on bnet fine and plays dota which is all I care about.
[09:35] <Adross> what about cs and q3?
[09:35] <smack> san andreas runs good but crashes when you try to change display res.
[09:35] <topyli> Adross: there's a native linux q3
[09:35] <smack> Q3 has a native linux version.
[09:35] <Adross> well i'll be
[09:35] <parabolize> quake3? that has linux native code..
[09:35] <Adross> where from?
[09:35] <smack> ftp.idsoftware.com baby
[09:36] <topyli> Adross: id software :)
[09:36] <Adross> free to download?
[09:36] <topyli> yes
[09:36] <Adross> wait a minute
[09:36] <Adross> will i have to lose my pants?
[09:36] <smack> you got to buy the game
[09:36] <topyli> Adross: you'll need the windows cd to get the data files
[09:36] <reka> smack: does your refresh rate get stuck on 60hz?
[09:36] <holycow> heh
[09:36] <smack> you can get the demo to see how it'd run.
[09:36] <holycow> yes, you do haveto loose your pants
[09:36] <holycow> heh
[09:36] <Adross> kk, cheers
[09:36] <Adross> just thinking about buying cedega
[09:37] <smack> reka: you read my post ;D.. it turns to 60Hz when I fire up a game like postal or tribes2.
[09:37] <reka> smack: ah, and have you resolved it?
[09:37] <smack> not yet ;(
[09:37] <reka> smack: what about q3 and the others?
[09:37] <Adross> and what linux programs can i use to mount an iso?
[09:37] <holycow> Q: Is Tyan now working with the Linux community to optimize its products for use with the Linux kernel?
[09:37] <holycow> Chang: We do a couple of different things, but not so much in the driver field. At the moment, the company is working in the HPC arena developing diskless clusters in large installations, by compressing a bootable version of Linux onto Flash. That is a big job for us, to port all of our systems to a Linux BIOS. Tyan has been working for some time at developing a Linux BIOS for its motherboards. The company will soon switch all of its boards
[09:37] <holycow>  to having only Linux in the BIOS, for reliability and for quick boot and reboot capabilities.
[09:38] <topyli> Adross: mount :)
[09:38] <smack> reka: let me try q3 real quick I don't remember.
[09:38] <Adross> your serious?
[09:38] <Adross> damn, i looked for a whole weekend
[09:38] <reka> smack: thanks.  i'd be interested as i'm thinking of trying out q3
[09:38] <topyli> Adross: yes. mount -t loop blah blah something.iso
[09:38] <mikas> -o loop
[09:38] <Adross> ah well, thanks, see you guys later
[09:39] <topyli> mikas: yes
[09:39] <mama|SupaSlay> intel celeron, win98, 15gb hdrive, 128 ram, 599 mhz. do u think ubuntu would work on my comp?
[09:39] <smack> reka: quake3 starts up at 100Hz fine.. hmm.
[09:40] <reka> mama|SupaSlay: sure.  you may want to run a more lightweight wm though
[09:40] <holycow> mama|SupaSlay, sure, get more ram tho
[09:40] <mama|SupaSlay> alright. thnx
[09:40] <holycow> mama|SupaSlay, a newer hd would help as well, thats going to be a very slow hd
[09:40] <holycow> 600mhz system is still a decent system, with enough ram and a newer hd frankly
[09:41] <reka> smack: well that's good news for me. :)
[09:41] <biffurt> can anyone here give me a hand with a problem with bittorrent?
[09:42] <smack> all my games sort of run like crud now anyways.. sold my 9800pro for the linux switch and I'm on a gef2 64MB right now.
[09:42] <biffurt> I've tried using both gnome BT that come with ubuntu, and Azureus - both gave me similar errors when trying to DL a torrent
[09:42] <holycow> ati?
[09:42] <holycow> *ew*
[09:42] <smack> I know a little about bittorrent.
[09:42] <biffurt> Something about failing to create a directory. Which I'm sure is a permissions issue, but I tried to change permissions on the folder it's DLing to, and that didn't help
[09:43] <biffurt> Like, it's trying to create a folder for the torrent but can't.
[09:43] <biffurt> and I ran chmod a=wrx on the folder it's downloading the torrents to... which should let azureus make a new directory there, right?
[09:44] <biffurt> or am I misunderstanding this.
[09:44] <smack> can you do a ls -l on the directory and paste the drwx-r-x thing?
[09:44] <topyli> if you run azureus as a user, it should be able to write to that user's home directory
[09:45] <biffurt> ah, ok. I was trying to write to something outside of the home directory. which is probably the problem.
[09:45] <biffurt> drwxr-xr-x    2 root root  4096 2005-06-27 19:29 unsorted
[09:46] <biffurt> smack: that's the line you just asked for, I think
[09:46] <smack> yup
[09:46] <smack> you can read that as you-group-everyone
[09:46] <smack> err I mean owner-group-everyone
[09:46] <smack> so root has read write execute and everyone has read and execute but no write ;(
[09:47] <biffurt> ok. that's the - there, right?
[09:47] <smack> yeah there needs to be a w there.
[09:47] <smack> or you can change the owner.
[09:47] <biffurt> I tried to change that, I thought. I ran "sudo chmod a=wrx ./unsorted"
[09:47] <biffurt> that should change the permissions for all to wrx, right?
[09:48] <biffurt> or am I misunderstanding the syntax?
[09:48] <topyli> biffurt: just don't put your files in the system space
[09:48] <smack> where'd you make this directory is it just in /unsorted ?
[09:48] <biffurt> I have a partition to share data between windows and linux
[09:48] <smack> trying to figure out if it'd be best to just make yourself the owner of it.
[09:48] <biffurt> It's in there
[09:49] <biffurt> so like /datashare/unsorted
[09:49] <biffurt> I'm keeping all my movies/music/etc in there
[09:49] <smack> you might just do a 'sudo chown biffurt.biffurt unsorted'
[09:49] <metzen> so is breezy useable for an advanced user? or is stuff just borked bad?
[09:49] <topyli> biffurt: then either you or the 'users' group should own it
[09:50] <holycow> metzen, depends on you definition of advanced user
[09:50] <holycow> if by advanced user you mean master programmer in 4000 languages, with the familiarity of 16 000 codebases, sure
[09:50] <holycow> -_-
[09:50] <smack> topyli is prolly right. I'm still a linux noob and don't know how things generally go.
[09:50] <metzen> hodgman: lol
[09:51] <biffurt> ok. so to change ownership, the format is "chmod user.user filename"
[09:51] <biffurt> ?
[09:51] <holycow> correct
[09:51] <metzen> holycow: heh, but seriously though, is it  broken?
[09:51] <holycow> chmod -R user.user folder if you need to chmod an entire folder tree
[09:51] <smack> I just looked at my users group and I'm not in there by default.
[09:51] <topyli> metzen: even if it works today, it may break tomorrow
[09:51] <metzen> ah indeed
[09:51] <smack> I think this is getting too complicated. :)
[09:52] <holycow> metzen, i'm being an ass, i donno :)
[09:52] <metzen> what kind of things usually break?
[09:52] <biffurt> ok. lemme try that, holycow
[09:52] <smack> if your only going to use it under your user you might just take ownership of it with chown. and leave the permissions as they are.
[09:54] <holycow> metzen, like on debian, pretty much everything
[09:54] <holycow> metzen, get a spare hd on a removable tray, or install vmware and run a version virtually and see
[09:55] <biffurt> smack: using chown, do I need to be in the directory itself or its parent?
[09:55] <biffurt> I'm in the parent directory, running sudo chown user.user unsorted, but it's spitting back "No such file or directory"
[09:55] <biffurt> sorry, I know this is all real newbie crap. I just started trying to learn this stuff yesterday.
[09:56] <smack> biffurt: you got to be in it's parent if you don't want to do a full path to the directory.
[09:56] <biffurt> ok
[09:56] <smack> if there are subdirectories in there make sure to use a -R too. ;)
[09:56] <biffurt> gotcha
[09:57] <biffurt> -R basically means "and everything inside", right?
[09:57] <smack> the -R is for recursion.
[09:58] <biffurt> Now it's saying "changing of ownership 'directory': Operation not permitted
[09:58] <biffurt> But I'm running this from sudo
[09:58] <smack> wierd.. it should allow you to do anything through sudo.
[09:58] <smack> is this drive ntfs or fat32?
[09:58] <biffurt> fat32
[09:59] <smack> that should be read/write no problem.
[09:59] <fake64> just a option aye
[09:59] <fake64> -_-
[09:59] <smack> I'm not too familiar with it tho. Did you modify your fstab to mount it or did you issue a mount command?
[10:00] <biffurt> Not sure. i set it up when I installed hoary
[10:00] <biffurt> I didn't manually edit the fstab, that's for sure.
[10:00] <smack> ahh so it's prolly in your fstab.
[10:00] <smack> can you do a 'cat /etc/fstab' and look on the line for the hdd.
[10:00] <smack> it should say fat32 on the line.
[10:01] <smack> I'm wondering if it's got 'ro' in the options.
[10:01] <biffurt> says vfat
[10:01] <biffurt> options are defaults
[10:01] <biffurt> lol
[10:02] <biffurt> figures, nothing ever goes easily with this machine. =P
[10:02] <biffurt> at least as far as linux is concerned. ubuntu is the first distro that even came close to working.
[10:02] <smack> I'm having pretty good luck with it so far too. I havn't booted in to windows in a week :)
[10:02] <han_> lol
[10:03] <han_> thats the way to go
[10:03] <biffurt> small victories, right?
[10:03] <sugoruyo> hi folks
[10:03] <sugoruyo> can someone help with azureus?
[10:03] <biffurt> lol
[10:03] <biffurt> maybe, sugoruyo
[10:03] <smack> I tried linux on my desktop before and it seemed too clunky. Ubuntu seems pretty decent tho.
[10:03] <biffurt> I'm having troule with it myself.
[10:03] <han_> yeh
[10:03] <han_> windows is so slow on my laptop
[10:03] <sugoruyo> biffurt, it just won't run
[10:04] <han_> ubuntu is like, so much faster on this laotop
[10:04] <biffurt> yeah, same here han_
[10:04] <sly> just wont run ?
[10:04] <sugoruyo> i get it from synaptic
[10:04] <biffurt> sugoruyo: how did you install? via apt-get or did you compile it yourself?
[10:04] <smack> biffurt: I know what your problem is!
[10:04] <wizo> my ;laptop errr, embaressingly struggles with 2 internet explorers in windows
[10:04] <smack> it just occured to me :D
[10:04] <biffurt> lay it on me, smack
[10:04] <sugoruyo> or through console
[10:05] <sugoruyo> but when i run it it won't load
[10:05] <sugoruyo> nothing
[10:05] <smack> you have to give the user permission to read the mount I think.
[10:05] <biffurt> I have no problem reading it... like, I can see the contents of the drive fine.
[10:05] <biffurt> and play files and stuff from it
[10:05] <wizo> uh huh
[10:05] <smack> oh oh.. *goes quiet again*
[10:06] <wizo> biffurt, wad are u trying to do?
[10:06] <wizo> azereus problem?
[10:06] <biffurt> trying to save bt files to a particular folder
[10:06] <biffurt> yeah
[10:06] <sly> may i ask the specs of your laptop ?
[10:06] <biffurt> and gnome bittorrent
[10:06] <wizo> oo ic
[10:06] <wizo> sly, talking to me?
[10:06] <sly> yup yup :)
[10:06] <biffurt> But it won't let me change the owner of the folders
[10:06] <wizo> =S
[10:06] <sugoruyo> if i try opening a console and running azureus i get a bunch of messages
[10:06] <biffurt> like what, sugoruyo?
[10:07] <sugoruyo> should i paste somewhere?
[10:07] <wizo> sugoruyo, paste it at the site in the topic
[10:07] <sugoruyo> wizo, i know
[10:07] <biffurt> ttp://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:08] <sly> and it struggles to run windows................ that just seems a ram issue..... 128 is nowhere near enough for todays sh***
[10:08] <wizo> =/
[10:08] <wizo> but linux runs fine on it
[10:08] <wizo> anyway, anyone has any idea how ot like err, set a process to have more processing power? like in windows how u can set it ot a higher priority
[10:09] <sly> with 128ram i wouldnt run anything but fluxbox or icewm at the most
[10:09] <holycow> lol
[10:09] <holycow> i've run gnome 2.8 fine on 64 megs
[10:09] <wizo> doesnt matter, ubuntu runs faster than windows, and thats good enuff for me
[10:10] <wizo> im running gnome nwo as well
[10:10] <sugoruyo> wizo, i did i'm on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/297
[10:10] <holycow> infact debian sarge loads into 48 megs ram at boot if needed
[10:10] <Crasp> if i had only 64meg i would deffo stick to windowmaker
[10:10] <holycow> 128 should be fine to run hoary, don't expect miracles butyou will be okay
[10:10] <wizo> anyway, anyone has any idea how ot like err, set a process to have more processing power? like in windows how u can set it ot a higher priority
[10:11] <Crasp> wizo: renice
[10:11] <wizo> ??
[10:11] <Crasp> wizo: you can set it's "niceness"
[10:11] <wizo> really?
[10:11] <Crasp> wizo: type man renice on a prompt and it will tell you
[10:11] <wizo> yeh firing up my console now
[10:11] <sugoruyo> how bout xfce?
[10:11] <wizo> thx
[10:11] <Soooo> hehe
[10:12] <Soooo> .
[10:12] <wizo> im like running mdcrack to contribute to a fellow member`s hash lookup site
[10:12] <wizo> and its going kinda slow =s
[10:12] <wizo> 897Mhz...
[10:12] <Crasp> Soooo: what language is that?
[10:12] <Crasp> Soooo: it looks japanese
[10:12] <Soooo> sorry utf8
[10:12] <sugoruyo> or chinese
[10:13] <Crasp> or korean o_O
[10:13] <Crasp> Soooo: utf-8 is just fine :)
[10:13] <sugoruyo> not korean
[10:13] <sugoruyo> those are chinese character
[10:13] <Crasp> ok, if you say so :)
[10:13] <fabbione> 5
[10:13] <sugoruyo> first one is tree
[10:13] <fabbione> ops
[10:13] <Crasp> i have no idea of these languages
[10:13] <sugoruyo> the second i can't make out
[10:13] <biffurt> sugoruyo: It's working alright saving to the home directory, I'm just gonna stick with that for now
[10:14] <sugoruyo> and the third one is mother+child which i think means to like
[10:14] <biffurt> I've got another question though, now that it's managed to create a directory it's giving me the error "Error (the port you are using (6881))"
[10:14] <biffurt> which isn't too informative
[10:15] <IceDC571> my ipod is working on linux!! yay!!!!!
[10:15] <biffurt> anyone have any clue what I can do about that?
[10:15] <biffurt> yay!
[10:15] <sugoruyo> biffurt, if i could only get the damn thing started...
[10:15] <biffurt> that's right, I forgot.
[10:15] <biffurt> I took a look at that log, unfortunately it all looked like greek to me, sorry =/
[10:15] <biffurt> i'm just a newb at this stuff
[10:16] <sugoruyo> what do you mean it all looked greek to u ?  ;-/
[10:16] <biffurt> i didn't understand it
[10:16] <greystreet> hello
[10:16] <biffurt> The only thing I can think of, looking at it, is that maybe you're missing a library?
[10:17] <sugoruyo> well i can ensure it is not greek....
[10:17] <greystreet> I am having a problem with running foomatic-gui
[10:17] <sugoruyo> i think it's because of the charset
[10:17] <biffurt> It's a figure of speech
[10:17] <qos> how do i see which fireware version my ipw2200 wlan card uses? i want to set it into monitor mode, but that's only supportet in firmware version 1.04... so i try to find out which firmware i use...
[10:17] <biffurt> ahh
[10:17] <sugoruyo> i'm using a greek charset being greek and all....
[10:17] <greystreet> its telling me I need to import gnomevfs and its trying to use gnome.vfs
[10:18] <greystreet> can someone please tell me how to import gnomevfs
[10:18] <biffurt> yeah. unfortunately I don't have enough experience with this stuff to help you out, sugoruyo
[10:18] <sugoruyo> well if only someone did oh well
[10:18] <wizo> wads the highest priority for renice?
[10:19] <ukato> has anyone used stratagus before?
[10:19] <greystreet> can someone please tell me how to import gnomevfs
[10:19] <biffurt> sugoruyo, you might try posting to the ubuntu forums
[10:20] <wizo> crasp: wads the highest priority u can set for a process
[10:20] <sly> anyone do video encoding under ubuntu ?
[10:20] <biffurt> greystreet: if you're just looking for the runtime files, "sudo apt-get libgnomevfs2-0" should work
[10:21] <biffurt> Sorry, sudo apt-get install libgnomevfs2-0
[10:21] <wizo> cya
[10:21] <greystreet> thanx biffurt, but the thing is I used synaptix package manager
[10:21] <greystreet> I think installed it already
[10:21] <biffurt> ahh, ok. in that case, I've got no advice. I'm real new to this stuff myself =/
[10:22] <biffurt> also, mack, thanks for your help.
[10:22] <biffurt> I've gotta go get some sleep. good night all, and good luck.
[10:24] <holycow> http://klik.atekon.de/  <-- hey check this out
[10:24] <holycow> i've never heard of that project
[10:24] <holycow> that looks bot usefull and a wonderfull way to spread spyware
[10:26] <twb_> heeellllloooo everyone
[10:26] <ukato> has anyone used stratagus before?
[10:27] <twb_> would it be safe strapping up a tri boot system?/
[10:28] <twb_> Does anyone know if it would safe to run a tri-boot system?
[10:28] <holycow> as many as you want
[10:28] <twb_> k thx
[10:28] <ukato> i've heard that's a bad idea
[10:28] <holycow> one dude installed something like 200 different os's on one box as an experiment
[10:29] <twb_> i have XP/Ubuntu right now but i want to add Debian
[10:29] <synd> damn netsplits
[10:29] <pepsix> this is a bumpy ride
[10:30] <twb_> whats a good program to dl music for Linux?
[10:30] <nikkia> well, we *were* warned that they were taking 3 of the irc servers offline :)
[10:31] <synd> twb_: gtk-gnutella
[10:31] <qos> try to install the new ipw2200 driver, but when i call "sudo make" it says "make -C /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build SUBDIRS=/home/iface/ipw2200-1.0.4 MODVERDIR=/home/iface/ipw2200-1.0.4 modules"
[10:31] <synd> twb_: im not too fond of limewire
[10:31] <qos> "make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden.  Schluss."
[10:31] <twb_> is there anything accessible through apt-et?
[10:32] <twb_> apt-get or synaptic
[10:32] <qos> is there anyone talking to me?
[10:32] <qos> is there anyone talking to me?
[10:32] <Crasp> nice
[10:32] <twb_> whats with all this jargon ^^^^^
[10:32] <synd> twb_: apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[10:32] <Crasp> it's called server shutdowns and netsplits
[10:33] <twb_> synd: and i can dl music??
[10:33] <synd> twb_: uh, yes
[10:33] <metzen> nicotine and amule are decent
[10:34] <nikkia> bittorrent can be good for music too, if you find the right trackers
[10:34] <synd> anything but limewire or azureus
[10:35] <ukato> no one likes limewire?
[10:35] <synd> limewire is poorly written
[10:35] <synd> a resource hog
[10:35] <ukato> ah.
[10:35] <ukato> i've started using bittorrent for music a lot more now
[10:35] <twb_> ummm how do i use apt-et?
[10:35] <twb_> get*
[10:36] <bradd> what about gift
[10:36] <synd> twb_: sudo apt-get install
[10:36] <twb_> in a terminal?
[10:36] <synd> never messed with gift
[10:36] <synd> twb_: yes.
[10:36] <bradd> http://gift.sourceforge.net/about.mhtml
[10:38] <twb_> synd: i got it, now how can i use it?
[10:38] <rasputnik> morning
[10:39] <synd> twb_: type gtk-gnutella in the console
[10:39] <synd> twb_: its pretty self explanatory
[10:40] <twb_> and i do this everytime  i want to use it
[10:40] <rasputnik> I want to get my head around the whole testing/stable thing (on Hoary) - any definitive docs?
[10:40] <twb_> thx synd
[10:41] <synd> twb_: make a launcher if you want
[10:41] <twb_> how do u do that
[10:41] <tiglionabbit> twb_: right-click the desktop or somewhere
[10:41] <twb_> ok...
[10:41] <synd> twb_: you should take a gander at the ubuntu wiki
[10:42] <twb_> there a website or console command for that
[10:42] <synd> twb_: a launcher is comparable to a shortcut in windows
[10:42] <twb_> ahh i see
[10:44] <rasputnik> either the netsplit just ended, or everyone syncs their alarm clocks :)
[10:45] <wizzard> pls, how do I remove a package without dependency check?
[10:45] <mypapit> attack of the clonse?
[10:45] <mypapit> attack of the clone?
[10:46] <tiglionabbit> wizzard: dpkg?
[10:46] <jose__> Is there any command that updates the changes in /etc/fstab ?
[10:46] <tiglionabbit> jose__: I don't believe you have to do anything after changing fstab
[10:47] <wizzard> but I need to remove only one package withtou all packages dependent on it
[10:47] <jose__> tiglionabbit, I mean, I wanna see the changes immediately.
[10:48] <wizzard> thanks
[10:49] <sly> anyone fmailier with tovid ?
[10:49] <HostingGeek> heh
[10:50] <HostingGeek> breezy is broken...
[10:50] <tiglionabbit> jose__: dunno, man.  You could just mount them yourself..  sorry
[10:50] <synd> ahhh i love the talking heads
[10:51] <tiglionabbit> say, I'm new to gnutella.  How comes when I search it the stuff I want to download always says "no sources" ?  I mean, if it found it, wouldn't it have to have at least one source?
[10:51] <fake64> HostingGeek, ?
[10:51] <HostingGeek> BTW Linux is probberly breaking this patent  http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/28/2334224&tid=155&tid=17
[10:52] <jose__> tiglionabbit, this is my case: I've just changed the file permisson of mounted device in fstab, and I wanna see it.
[10:53] <fake64> HostingGeek, what's name of this patent?
[10:53] <brentdax> Is there a Linux equivalent of "ipconfig /release" and "ipconfig /renew"?
[10:53] <Mirv> brentdax: ifdown eth0, ifup eth0 (or wlan0 or something else)
[10:54] <fake64> useless action
[10:54] <tiglionabbit> jose__: try "xfce fstab mount manager"
[10:54] <tiglionabbit> not as a command, I mean the program
[10:54] <HostingGeek> fabbione: the you look at A and then look at B and I show you A again patent
[10:54] <HostingGeek> * fake64
[10:55] <fake64> what?
[10:55] <HostingGeek> fake64: aka user history
[10:55] <brentdax> Hmm, thanks. although it didn't fix the overall problem.  I can ping anything on my local network, and the outside address of my router (although I'm not sure that's important), but I can't ping anything outside my network.  If I switch to a static IP it starts working.  I'm on an Intel integrated wireless card.
[10:55] <nikkia> mirv, i'd suggest just running dhclient personally
[10:55] <brentdax> (I'm configuring a new laptop, and typing this on my desktop.)
[10:57] <jose__> tiglionabbit, Need I change my WM to xfce?
[10:57] <fake64> no
[10:57] <tiglionabbit> jose__: nope, you can run it in gnome
[10:57] <liable> brentdax: what do you want to change?
[10:57] <fake64> because gtk is begin ..... hehehehehehehhehhe
[10:57] <ogge> what is priorited in ubuntu, userprograms or backgroundprocesses?
[10:58] <ogge> when it comes to ram
[10:58] <twb_> anyone know where i can get a mp3 plugin?
[10:59] <jose__> what's the name of the package?
[10:59] <brentdax> Hmm?  I'd like to let the laptop to still be able to contact the outside world when it's working thorugh DHCP.
[10:59] <tiglionabbit> twb_: mplayer-mozilla
[10:59] <twb_> tthat apt-get?
[10:59] <tiglionabbit> or is it mozilla mplayer...   Searh synaptic for mozilla
[10:59] <mjr> ogge, those that need it
[10:59] <Mirv> brentdax: doesn't that sound a bit like gateway is not set? ie. that all the traffic would go through the router. anyway i'm not an expert in these things
[10:59] <brentdax> Yeah, that's what I was thining when I saw how it was behaving.
[10:59] <nikkia> brent, i'd check that the router's dhcp is correctly reporting the gateway and dns details
[11:00] <nikkia> also, my wireless card has a habit of dropping the default route if i ifup/ifdown
[11:00] <liable> brentdax: what does ifconfig say after getting a lease?
[11:00] <tiglionabbit> yeah, mozilla-mplayer
[11:01] <nikkia> of course, these days i only use dhcp to get an IP long enough to let radvd assign an IPv6 address :P
[11:01] <twb_> ahhhhh i cant find it
[11:01] <twb_> nothing is coming up
[11:01] <ogge> m gosh, firefox is really slow on ubuntu. is there any other good browser (fast)
[11:01] <ogge> konquerer?
[11:01] <Deanodriver> ephiphany?
[11:02] <queuetue> I want to sest my serial console connection - can you think of anything "safe" that will generate a log event?
[11:02] <Deanodriver> or however you spell it
[11:02] <brentdax> I don't see any mention of a gateway...
[11:02] <macintoshr> i need the biggest ubuntu logo i can get
[11:02] <macintoshr> or a vector
[11:03] <twb_> would vdr-plugin-mp3 work?
[11:03] <macintoshr> i want to make an ubuntu version of this: http://img248.echo.cx/img248/3133/picture17jy.png
[11:03] <macintoshr> where do i go?
[11:03] <twb_> tiglionabbit: would vdr-plugin-mp3 work?
[11:04] <tiglionabbit> http://bvc.kernow-webhosting.com/theme/images/ubuntu.svg
[11:04] <tiglionabbit> http://bvc.kernow-webhosting.com/theme/images/ubuntulogo.svg
[11:04] <twb_> tiglionabbit: would vdr-plugin-mp3 work?
[11:04] <twb_> tiglionabbit: would vdr-plugin-mp3 work?
[11:04] <tiglionabbit> twb_: I have no idea what that is.  If you want a web browser plugin, it will start with mozilla-
[11:04] <steved> 2:
[11:04] <tiglionabbit> twb_: don't repeat yourself
[11:05] <twb_> i just want something so i can play mp3's
[11:05] <jose__> tiglionabbit, what's the name of the package "xfce fstab mount manager"?
[11:05] <ogge> sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[11:05] <tiglionabbit> jose__: no idea.  I just got it by installing xfce4
[11:06] <HostingGeek> n00b alert!
[11:07] <HostingGeek> Linux uses Patemts
[11:07] <jose__> tiglionabbit, okay.
[11:08] <tiglionabbit> oh here we go, sorry about the dead links, macintoshr: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuArtwork
[11:08] <macintoshr> thanks
[11:08] <HostingGeek> But of couse its allowed to
[11:08] <NameWithHeld> hai
[11:08] <kev0r> so why is the new Ubu-y comming out? :D
[11:09] <kev0r> when*
[11:10] <HostingGeek> kev0r: it is out
[11:10] <HostingGeek> and its broken
[11:10] <HostingGeek> upgrade all your libs and have a dead system
[11:10] <tiglionabbit> kev0r: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[11:11] <tiglionabbit> october 13th
[11:11] <tiglionabbit> HostingGeek: it's not released as stable though
[11:12] <HostingGeek> tiglionabbit: it is release as development
[11:13] <HostingGeek> a new version get released every second
[11:13] <HostingGeek> with new development
[11:13] <Skywind> Where can I download the ppc64 toolchain and kernels for ubuntu ?
[11:13] <HostingGeek> even if its not submitted yet or brought down to this world
[11:14] <ogge> anyone got konqueror for ubuntu? is it fast?
[11:14] <ogge> snappy?
[11:14] <tiglionabbit> ogge: snappy?  o.o  I don't know, I thought nautilus was 'snappy' enough.  I use the terminal =P
[11:15] <twb_> when i install programs from apt-get, what file is it store din?
[11:15] <ogge> the browser konqueror
[11:15] <tiglionabbit> twb_: say `dpkg -L` and the name of the thing you installed.  It will tell you where it put the files
[11:15] <anacron> tiglionabbit: i assume you use lynx or links2 then?
[11:15] <tiglionabbit> links2?  No, I use firefox
[11:15] <TokenBad> if you have a user online through ssh and you want to kick him off and remove account...how would you kick them off?
[11:16] <[L|eWiOn] > i'm having a big problem on my notebook with ubuntu
[11:16] <[L|eWiOn] > i can't install my hp 1200 network printer
[11:16] <tiglionabbit> interesting question, token.  I don't have a lot of users, so I'd just break their connection.  But I'd like to know the 'right' way of doing that
[11:17] <TokenBad> how you break their connection?
[11:17] <tiglionabbit> =p the stupid way, stop accepting ssh or reroute it
[11:17] <TokenBad> ahh
[11:17] <tiglionabbit> don't take my advice
[11:17] <nikkia> token, kill -9 the sshd's for that user
[11:17] <kev0r> nohohoo
[11:17] <kev0r> the hurt!
[11:17] <nikkia> token, *after* disabling the account, of course
[11:17] <tiglionabbit> nikkia: that's awesome
[11:18] <nikkia> if its something you need to do often, you could write a script to disable the account and kick off any connections, wouldn't take long
[11:18] <tiglionabbit> urk, this mov is crashing vlc.  How should I watch it?
[11:18] <TokenBad> when I do ps -x I don't see their sshd stuff
[11:18] <rasputnik> TokenBad: kill his shell
[11:18] <ogge> my firefox is crashing quite often,
[11:18] <[L|eWiOn] > hey i have a problem too
[11:18] <nikkia> token, ps -ax
[11:19] <nikkia> token, as an example, here are the two on my laptop for me:
[11:19] <tiglionabbit> Tokenbad: ps -u username
[11:19] <nikkia> 1850 ?        Ss     0:00 sshd: nikki [priv] 
[11:19] <nikkia> 1857 ?        S      0:00 sshd: nikki@pts/5
[11:20] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: that won't catch the pre-PTY priv sshd like proc 1850 above
[11:20] <nikkia> as that will be running as your sshd's priv (root, usually)
[11:20] <rasputnik> am I right in thinking ubuntu just has supported and universe? what do most people use?
[11:20] <nikkia> if you were writing a script, you'd want to filter on sshd, then pick out of those based on username
[11:20] <tiglionabbit> nikkia: it wont?  I was quite sure I did it today and saw those
[11:20] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: the pre-PTY sshd runs as root here
[11:21] <TokenBad> thanks everyone
[11:21] <Deanodriver> which repositories should I add?
[11:21] <[L|eWiOn] > no thx for mee i think
[11:21] <jojo123> hi all
[11:21] <tiglionabbit> Deanodriver: uncomment the ones in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:21] <Deanodriver> so all of those, no need to add any more?
[11:21] <Deanodriver> cool, thanks
[11:22] <Deanodriver> i'm trying to play it safe, last time, I ended up breaking things :P
[11:22] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: tbh, i bet you only need to kill the pre-PTY priviledged sshd to drop the connection anyway
[11:22] <TokenBad> bah...posted a thing for the screensaver electricsheep and they told me it was cause it was debian based and I was trying to use it in ubuntu and to send a bug report to ubuntu folks
[11:23] <nikkia> nope, odd, the connection stays
[11:23] <rasputnik> tglionabbit: what is this line for? 'deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[11:23] <twb_> is there a way i could put gtk-gnutella in my personal folder?
[11:24] <tiglionabbit> twb_: make a launcher for it
[11:24] <rasputnik> is that patches to the universe ?
[11:24] <twb_> i tried making it, but it didnt work..maybe i goofed somewhere?
[11:24] <tiglionabbit> rasputnik: uh, perhaps?
[11:24] <rasputnik> tiglionabbit: are you guessing, or is it a dumb question ?
[11:25] <jo> how to scan for channels in tvtime in console?
[11:25] <tiglionabbit> I'm guessing.  I have no idea
[11:25] <twb_> is there a way i can make a launcher through a terminal?
[11:25] <tiglionabbit> tvtime!  Oo, that sounds fun, I want to install it
[11:25] <rasputnik> ah ok ta :)
[11:26] <tiglionabbit> twb_: yes.  ln -s theprogram theshortcutname
[11:26] <tiglionabbit> to get what you should put in theprogram, say `which` and the program's name
[11:27] <twb_> what does the ' ls ' stand for
[11:29] <rasputnik> twb_: 'LiSt'
[11:29] <twb_> i did it...but nothing happened
[11:29] <sam_> is anybody else having trouble upgrading azureus? i tried loading it with sudo azureus in case it would be related to priorities somehow, but it doesnt help.
[11:29] <nikkia> sam, sudo -s and run it
[11:29] <tiglionabbit> twb_: I said ln, as in LiNk
[11:30] <twb_> yea, should it be on my desktop?
[11:30] <tiglionabbit> twb_: it should create a file by the name you put as the second parameter
[11:30] <rasputnik> tiglionabbit : I didn't think a gnome shortcut was the same as a symlink
[11:30] <rasputnik> s/didn't/don't/
[11:30] <tiglionabbit> twb_: only if you put it in your /home/$user/Desktop folder
[11:30] <nikkia> rasputnik: its not
[11:31] <tiglionabbit> rasputnik: it probably isn't but that doesn't matter
[11:31] <twb_> well.....how can i do that?
[11:31] <tiglionabbit> twb_: well, where is it now?  Put it in the Desktop folder
[11:31] <tiglionabbit> use mv (MoVe)
[11:31] <rasputnik> twb_: do you want one on your desktop for clicking, or on the command line?
[11:32] <twb_> i want one for clicking
[11:32] <macintosh2> hows these?
[11:32] <macintosh2> http://img79.echo.cx/img79/5597/linuxbadgescutdown5du.png
[11:32] <sam_> nikkia, what is sudo -s for?
[11:32] <sam_> oh, switch or something?
[11:33] <tiglionabbit> sam_: makes a shell environment for super user
[11:33] <tiglionabbit> so you can use sudo for multiple commands, instead of just one
[11:33] <nikkia> sam, it starts a shell as root
[11:34] <nikkia> for some reason, probably due to the way the 'azureus' shell script works, just sudo'ing azureus doesn't quite work for updating
[11:34] <nikkia> sudo -s then running azureus from that shell *does*
[11:34] <jojo123> Anyone's got any experience with Samba?
[11:35] <jason> JOIN
[11:35] <Gog> ello, could anyone recommend an ogg to mp3 converter?
[11:36] <Brydenn33> Gog
[11:36] <Brydenn33> converting ogg to mp3 isnt good
[11:36] <Gog> ?
[11:36] <Brydenn33> ogg and mp3 both take away data differently
[11:36] <Prottie> Brydenn33: if you have a mp3-player you have to.
[11:36] <z|bandito> hi
[11:36] <Gog> Prottie: exactly
[11:36] <z|bandito> how do you instruct dpkg to leave out a package it's trying to install?  i'm installing and it's hangs the system at python2.4-imaging
[11:36] <Gog> plenty of conversion tools for windows, I'm after a linux one if anyone knows of any ?
[11:36] <Brydenn33> yes i understand i'm just saying if you want the "best quality" its better to rip from cd to mp3
[11:36] <twb_> how can login to be able to move files?
[11:37] <Brydenn33> not convert between the both
[11:37] <tiglionabbit> Gog: well, I bet Audacity would do it, but take a long time.  There are probably other programs around
[11:37] <Gog> Brydenn33: fair point
[11:37] <Brydenn33> :)
[11:37] <jojo123> I'm using samba without problem. But an annoying thing happened. I clicked "Connect to server" and typed in the info. Just for fun. Now I have permanent icons for those test-network servers. Impossible to remove.
[11:37] <Prottie> Brydenn33: some ppl distribute free music only in ogg :/
[11:37] <Shish[school] > oggdec to standard out and mp3enc from standard in should work
[11:37] <tiglionabbit> twb_: what?
[11:37] <Brydenn33> lol i know Prottie
[11:37] <Gog> increasingly free stuff is in ogg these days
[11:37] <Brydenn33> .ogg is better than mp3 in my opinion
[11:37] <twb_> im trying to move files but its saying i dont have permission
[11:37] <Prottie> Brydenn33: agreed.
[11:37] <Gog> it will be when it's as widley supported ;)
[11:38] <tiglionabbit> twb_: you need super user permissions.  Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:38] <Brydenn33> yah .ogg and mp3 will be the top 2 audio formats
[11:38] <Deanodriver> i'd like that
[11:38] <Gog> sish: thanks
[11:38] <Deanodriver> but I believe wma or aac would be up there as well
[11:38] <nikkia> gog, sadly, i've yet to find a linux program to rival dBPowerAmp
[11:38] <Deanodriver> unfortunately
[11:38] <Brydenn[WU] > i hate wma lol
[11:38] <Brydenn[WU] > just cuz its microshit
[11:38] <Deanodriver> yeah
[11:38] <Deanodriver> no
[11:38] <Deanodriver> just packed full of DRM
[11:38] <jojo123> Anyone knows where those network files are located to I can delete them?
[11:38] <tiglionabbit> twb_: by default, ubuntu puts your first account in the admin "sudoers" group.  To do things that take permissions, just say `sudo` in front of the command
[11:39] <Brydenn[WU] > i'm about to install " Kubuntu " hehe
[11:39] <Brydenn[WU] > i hate gnome
[11:39] <Brydenn[WU] > ;)
[11:39] <Brydenn[WU] > had to get the KDE version hehe
[11:39] <fake64> ...
[11:39] <tiglionabbit> Brydenn[WU] : installing kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu, or grabbing a kubuntu cd?
[11:39] <Brydenn[WU] > Kubuntu CD
[11:39] <parham> hello?E!
[11:39] <z|bandito> is it slower?
[11:40] <jojo123> hi parham
[11:40] <parham> is there any human out there?
[11:40] <tiglionabbit> Brydenn[WU] : you know, you could just install one of them, and then grab kubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-desktop and have the best of both worlds
[11:40] <Brydenn[WU] > hehe yah
[11:40] <rasputnik> parham: only us robots
[11:40] <Brydenn[WU] > but its ok
[11:40] <Brydenn[WU] > it's already burned now lol
[11:40] <parham> i see
[11:40] <parham> and are you just ubuntu freaky robots?
[11:40] <Brydenn[WU] > i think i'm gonna like this channel
[11:40] <Brydenn[WU] > i'm totally new to Linux
[11:40] <fake64> me too?
[11:40] <Brydenn[WU] > been a winhoz junky for too long
[11:40] <z|bandito> er more system resource intensive .. ;)
[11:41] <tiglionabbit> Brydenn[WU] : then you made the right choice of distros, Ubuntu is a great place to start
[11:41] <parham> okay than i have a question
[11:41] <Brydenn[WU] > yah well i had MEPIS to start with
[11:41] <Brydenn[WU] > and it pissed me off
[11:41] <Brydenn[WU] > so hopefully this one is better hehe
[11:41] <fake64> no distro is good distro
[11:41] <parham> how do i remove an item from GNOME menu in UBUNTU
[11:41] <tiglionabbit> Brydenn[WU] : I started off with Red Hat and SuSE.  Oh the bad times I had with those
[11:41] <parham> when you right click it no option for removing!!!
[11:41] <Brydenn[WU] > haha yah i remember them too way back in the day when i was just curious
[11:41] <Brydenn[WU] > now i wanna get more serious about running linux full time
[11:42] <tiglionabbit> parham: uhm, I think there's something in the wiki.  You have to go to a special place where you can remove those files.
[11:42] <parham> is there anyone listening to me?!
[11:42] <Deanodriver> I used to prefer KDE (I'd used mainly 1.x), until I tried Ubuntu
[11:42] <Deanodriver> now I prefer Gnome
[11:42] <dizzie> Serious? :)
[11:42] <jojo123> parham: all apps are permanently stored in /usr/share/applications
[11:42] <Deanodriver> :)
[11:42] <nikkia> Gog, actually, i have an idea....
[11:42] <dizzie> I've been using Linux since 1992 :P
[11:42] <Brydenn[WU] > well i'm gonna stick with KDE until i know the "ropes"
[11:42] <tiglionabbit> jojo123: no, I don't think that's what he wants
[11:42] <Brydenn[WU] > lol yah well you're just l33t arent you dizzie hahaha
[11:42] <twb_> ok, i gksudo gedit, but stll cant move files....
[11:42] <fake64> suse -> redhat -> windoz
[11:42] <jojo123> parham: if you want to remove a menu item, but not the program, delete the corresponding file
[11:42] <fake64> windows is the best
[11:42] <Brydenn[WU] > haha
[11:43] <fake64> no package manager
[11:43] <[L|eWiOn] > LOOOOOOOOOOOL
[11:43] <sam_> nikkia, it didnt work even when running sudo -s first, then azureus
[11:43] <[L|eWiOn] > fuck you
[11:43] <Gog> nikkia: shoot... :)
[11:43] <KhaBal> lol
[11:43] <Brydenn[WU] > Windows is just more highly supported cuz they have more money hahaha
[11:43] <rasputnik> jojo123: I think he needs to know what 'the corresponding file' is
[11:43] <[L|eWiOn] > no fucking windows here
[11:43] <nikkia> sam, hmm, worked for me
[11:43] <dizzie> Brydenn[WU] , what so leet about running Linux for 13 years?
[11:43] <KhaBal> ubuntus the best
[11:43] <[L|eWiOn] > indeed
[11:43] <[L|eWiOn] > haha
[11:43] <Brydenn[WU] > hmm cuz you're less of a newb? i dunno hehe
[11:43] <ploptor> hi
[11:43] <dizzie> lol
[11:43] <twb_> why are downloads so slow with gtk-gnutella?
[11:43] <KhaBal> the newbier you are the more you like madrake
[11:43] <fake64> suse -> redhat -> mac os -> windows longtime
[11:43] <[L|eWiOn] > and ubuntu will be the fast growin linux an conquer the world
[11:43] <parham> mmm, okay 1 more to go
[11:44] <jojo123> rasputnik, parham: if the application is bum; remove /usr/share/applications/bum.desktop
[11:44] <[L|eWiOn] > i'm gonna give away cd's of ubuntu foerever
[11:44] <parham> what happens under linux if i istall a program and it does not work, how can i delete everything it has done?
[11:44] <rasputnik> jojo123: cheers I'm a command liner myself
[11:44] <twb_> why are downloads so slow with gtk-gnutella?
[11:44] <Brydenn[WU] > ok guys
[11:44] <Brydenn[WU] > i'm gonna go install
[11:44] <rasputnik> parham: uninstall it?
[11:44] <tiglionabbit> oh, you are right
[11:44] <Brydenn[WU] > i'll be back shortly.. i hope ;)
[11:44] <sly> twb_ was you exspecting full speed ?
[11:44] <Brydenn[WU] > btw, where is everyone from?
[11:44] <rasputnik> twb_: is'nt gnutella just a shitty protocol
[11:44] <dizzie> Good luck Brydenn[WU] 
[11:44] <sly> <- Uk
[11:44] <parham> well lets suppose it does not have an option for uninstall!!!
[11:45] <fake64> gnutella?
[11:45] <twb_> why cant i have full speed..?
[11:45] <dizzie> Brydenn[WU] , /whois <nick> usually tells :)
[11:45] <sly> cos its a p2p client ?
[11:45] <Brydenn[WU] > lol @ dizzie see... you are l33t lmfao
[11:45] <Brydenn[WU] > later guys
[11:45] <fake64> (isp basta*d will...)
[11:45] <parham> hello?
[11:46] <fake64> hey?
[11:46] <parham> i bette leave it
[11:46] <sly> have you ever been on the phone to customer surport and they reply what is linu x?
[11:46] <nikkia> Gog: are you still there? you can convert ogg to mp3 with ffmpeg
[11:46] <fake64> mp3 -> ogg
[11:46] <jojo123> Anyone knows how to remove desktop icons created with "Connect to Server"? They are all roots property. No idea where those are located (not id Desktop folder)
[11:47] <jojo123> id = in
[11:47] <nikkia> fake, no, he wanted ogg to mp3 for putting on a portable audio device
[11:47] <duper> hi all
[11:47] <jojo123> hi duper
[11:47] <Deanodriver> hmm
[11:47] <Deanodriver> trying to update ubuntu, and i've got an error code
[11:47] <Deanodriver> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:47] <Deanodriver>  /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox-gnome-support_1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5_i386.deb
[11:47] <Deanodriver> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:48] <Gog> nikkia: I'd left it for now, but I'll give that a try. Thanks
[11:48] <duper> when I boot my ubuntu breezy, there is an error message shows: "VFS: can't find ext3 filesystem on dev hda1"
[11:48] <Deanodriver> any idea of what's wrong? :)
[11:48] <duper> how come?
[11:48] <duper> Iam now using reiserfs for all partitions
[11:48] <jojo123> duper: maybe hda1 is a windows partition?
[11:48] <jojo123> duper: oh
[11:48] <rasputnik> duper: you changed something?
[11:48] <duper> quite right! jojo
[11:49] <duper> nop, i just apt-get the kernel from i386 to k7 in order to support my 1G ram
[11:49] <rasputnik> duper: has your kernel got reiser support in ?
[11:49] <KhaBal> ls
[11:49] <duper> i think so rasputnik
[11:50] <Deanodriver> but yeah, anyone else having troubles installing firefox-gnome-support?
[11:50] <jojo123> duper: easiest way to see whats wrong is to cat /etc/fstab and list the partition table with fdisk to see if they match
[11:50] <rasputnik> KhaBal: no files in here
[11:50] <KhaBal> rasputnik: lol
[11:50] <duper> thx jojo, ill try now
[11:50] <cspan> hi!
[11:50] <cspan> gnome doesn't start anymore
[11:50] <duper> even the sys still boot 100% perfectly, but it did anoise me :)
[11:51] <cspan> when i try to log into a gnome session
[11:51] <rasputnik> Deanodriver : I install hoary night before last and it was cool
[11:51] <cspan> y just sits there
[11:51] <Deanodriver> i've installed it three times in two nights :P
[11:51] <jojo123> duper: i had same problem with msdos partition. gparted showed that the partition was fat but fdisk showed ext3
[11:51] <rasputnik> Deanodriver : that's not so good
[11:51] <Deanodriver> I know
[11:51] <duper> fstab seems okey to me
[11:51] <Deanodriver> trying to get this working properly
[11:51] <rasputnik> cspan: changed anything?
[11:51] <Deanodriver> firstly it was sound
[11:51] <duper> how you overcome this jojo?
[11:51] <jojo123> duper: if fdisk show the wrong type, you can change it in fdisk
[11:51] <cspan> rasputnik, i installed kubuntu
[11:51] <Deanodriver> and dependency issues when installing apps
[11:52] <cspan> but then i uninstalled it in case it was that
[11:52] <cspan> and still doesnt work
[11:52] <jojo123> duper: fdisk /dev/hda
[11:52] <rasputnik> cspan: can you get into 'failsafe' from the session menu?
[11:52] <jojo123> (or what hdd you use)
[11:52] <cspan> rasputnik, no
[11:52] <jojo123> press 'p' to list partition table
[11:52] <parham> p
[11:52] <parham> 'p'
[11:52] <Deanodriver> so, does anyone have any ideas? (i added the backports list from ubuntuguide.org)
[11:53] <twb_> anyone know how to install Limewire on here?
[11:53] <parham> lol no partition
[11:53] <duper> it shows all partitions in hda are ntfs filesystem
[11:53] <parham> i have ideas
[11:53] <duper> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22944.html
[11:53] <parham> what is with file-sharing under Ubuntu?
[11:53] <duper> here also mention this, but without a slove
[11:53] <parham> how do u do that?
[11:53] <cspan> i can use xfce, and when i try to open a gnome app it takes for ever
[11:53] <cspan> or doesn't even start
[11:53] <twb_> anyone know how to install Limewire on here?
[11:54] <steal> how can i emulate my nokia serie 60 on my ubuntu?
[11:54] <tiglionabbit> twb_: I believe it mentions that in the unofficial ubuntu guide
[11:54] <duper> how can i make ubuntu recognize my ntfs partition rightly?
[11:54] <steal> i need to compile python file
[11:54] <rasputnik> duper: it's still booting right?
[11:54] <Deanodriver> twb_, http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[11:54] <Deanodriver> :)
[11:54] <tiglionabbit> duper: it recognizes mine.  What are you doing differently?
[11:54] <duper> boot smoothly
[11:54] <jojo123> duper: have you installed linux in hda or somewhere else?
[11:55] <duper> no, i install all my linux files in hdb
[11:55] <nikkia> steal, i'm not sure there are any symbian emulators for linux, you might have to use wine to run the nokia emulator from the SDK
[11:55] <rasputnik> duper: paste your /etc/fstab somewhere - http://rafb.net/paste will do
[11:55] <duper> even when i install ubuntu, i have unplug my hda phisicaly
[11:55] <jojo123> duper: so fdisk /dev/hdb show correct info?
[11:55] <nikkia> steal, there is a page somewhere on doing symbian development on linux, it is probably a good place to start
[11:55] <duper> ok, ill try
[11:55] <steal> nikkia, i haven't windows
[11:55] <duper> it shows quite okey jojo
[11:56] <rasputnik> duper: for some reason linux is trying to read hda, and it doesn't sound like it needs to
[11:56] <tiglionabbit> duper: if hda is the master hard disk, that isn't a good idea.  Linux needs to be able to install grub to the mbr on the master
[11:56] <nikkia> steal, you don't really *need* windows to run wine
[11:56] <MorphDK> I turned on autohinting on my fonts, and now bold fonts doesn't look nice anymore :(
[11:56] <Bramme> i see that the latest ubuntu snapshot already has alsa 1.0.9, ist here a way of using that package in hoary ?
[11:56] <Deanodriver> but does anyone else have any problems with firefox-gnome support after adding the backport repositories from ubuntuguide?
[11:56] <duper> hmm...
[11:57] <steal> nikkia, yes but i need microsoft dll right?
[11:57] <nikkia> steal, wine includes most of the base windows dll's using its own built-in methods, if you're lucky, an app will run with those dlls just fine
[11:57] <nikkia> steal, anyway, read: http://gnupoc.sourceforge.net/    it might help
[11:57] <steal> nikkia, i've just tried it
[11:57] <steal> nikkia, but i can't install makesis
[11:57] <rasputnik> cspan: try runnig the app from a terminal, see if you get any useful error messages
[11:58] <duper> here is my fstab info: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Zt3M5582.html
[11:58] <cspan> rasputnik, no error messages at all
[11:58] <cspan> nothing
[11:58] <cspan> it just stays there
[11:58] <steal> nikkia, apt give me some error
[11:58] <nikkia> steal, *shrug* you'll have to harass nokia to release a linux dev kit then,  but i wouldn't hold your breath :/
[11:59] <jojo123> duper: looks fine
[11:59] <rasputnik> duper: hmm, no mention of hda. wonder what else could be reading it? do you have a mention of it in grub.conf/menu.lst?
[11:59] <rasputnik> cspan: wierd. this is from under kde is it?
[12:00] <cspan> or from under xfce
[12:00] <rasputnik> sorry ignore me - you already said
[12:00] <duper> here is the fdisk -l info: http://rafb.net/paste/results/biQWpy34.html
[12:00] <cspan> i tried both
[12:00] <rasputnik> cspan : what app
[12:00] <cspan> btw, in case it helps, it's on ppc
[12:00] <cspan> rasputnik, every gnome app i tried except gnome-network-configuration
[12:00] <rasputnik> duper: check your grub config. I reckon that's your problem
[12:01] <duper> okey
[12:01] <steal> nikkia, i'm installing wine and downloading nokia dev for windows thank u very much
[12:01] <jojo123> duper: see that fdisk show hdb1 as ID 83? 83 = ext3
[12:01] <cspan> oh, and the gnome terminal does start after 9 or 10 minutes
[12:01] <xabbu|> uhm, I have hade some problem since I installed the lates ubuntu kernel. First my sound stopped working, and now I cannot login to gnome.
[12:01] <rasputnik> cspan : it's not a hostname thing is it? i changed my hostname from a terminal yesterday and gnome shat itself
[12:01] <cspan> rasputnik, i didn't change the hostname
[12:01] <Deanodriver> hello?
[12:02] <jojo123> duper: change the ID
[12:02] <cspan> BUT, my network works funny
[12:02] <rasputnik> cspan: try blowing away your gnome settings: # rm -rf ~/.gnome*
[12:02] <cspan> it doesn't start at bootup, i have to start it manually using gnome-network-config
[12:02] <cspan> rasputnik, i tried
[12:02] <duper> so reiserfs isn't id=83?
[12:02] <cspan> i even tried removing gnome and reinstalling
[12:02] <cspan> NOTHING
[12:02] <Deanodriver> isn't ext2 id83?
[12:03] <Deanodriver> or linux swap or something
[12:03] <rasputnik> cspan: that wont' clear out your .gnome* folders
[12:03] <MorphDK> nobody able to help with my font problem?
[12:03] <cspan> rasputnik, uninstall-purge, but anyway i cleared them manually too
[12:04] <hussam> anybody here using firefox from ubuntubackports? is it stable?
[12:04] <jojo123> duper: sorry, have to leave. got a meeting to attend. good luck
[12:04] <Deanodriver> hussam, i keep on getting dependency issues with it
[12:04] <jojo123> 82 = swap
[12:04] <Deanodriver> but it worked fine on my other system
[12:04] <jojo123> fdisk with 'l' will list the known partitions
[12:05] <jojo123> bye
[12:05] <Deanodriver> stupid dodgy asus motherboards
[12:05] <rasputnik> cspan: then I think it's a dns thing maybe, especially if your network is screwy
[12:05] <JHK> Hi there, i want to install captive-ntfs but when i execute the command /usr/share/lufs/prepmod there appears:
[12:05] <JHK> Failed to prepare lufs.ko module for your Linux kernel 2.6.10-5-386.
[12:05] <JHK> Detected Linux kernel sources "/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build" do not appear to  be valid.
[12:05] <cspan> rasputnik, any suggestions?
[12:05] <rasputnik> cspan: is your hostname in /etc/hosts
[12:05] <cspan> uhm
[12:05] <cspan> ill check that
[12:05] <cspan> i can't right now
[12:06] <MorphDK> Who killed nickserv=
[12:06] <MorphDK> ?
[12:06] <rasputnik> cspan: that's all I can think of. gnome has big trouble if it cant' resolve your host, because it can't find ORBit
[12:06] <albacker> the hostname is in /etc/hostname or maybe HOSTNAME
[12:06] <mwe> JHK, you need the kernel source code
[12:06] <hussam> Deanodriver: what dependency issues? I've been using the firefox from mozilla.org but I want to switch to the firefox from ubuntubackports.
[12:06] <rasputnik> albacker: or you can just run 'hostname' :)
[12:06] <Deanodriver> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:06] <Deanodriver>  /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox-gnome-support_1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5_i386.deb
[12:06] <Deanodriver> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:07] <cspan> thank you rasputnik !!
[12:07] <JHK> mwe, i already installed it
[12:07] <Deanodriver> and whenever i try installing anything, it says that it needs mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[12:07] <rasputnik> cspan: wait and see if it helps first :)
[12:07] <cspan> uhm, at least you have given me a clue
[12:07] <hussam> Deanodriver: oh
[12:07] <Deanodriver> yeah
[12:07] <cspan> i didn't know what could possibly be failing
[12:08] <Deanodriver> does anyone else have any ideas?
[12:08] <Myrtti> my amaroK whines that the device is busy and says it shall use the null output device
[12:08] <mwe> JHK, well that link needs to point to the kernel source tree
[12:08] <Myrtti> how do I fix that?
[12:09] <mwe> JHK, ls -ld /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build does that point to the kernel source?
[12:10] <nikkia> Myrtti: http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[12:10] <JHK> mwe, /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[12:11] <mwe> JHK, you only have the headers?
[12:11] <JHK> mwe, hmm, no, i also have the linux-source installed
[12:12] <JHK> how should i change it?
[12:12] <nikkia> Myrtti: there is one line in asound.conf that i would add to that, btw.... 'pcm.dsp0 { type plug   slave.pcm "dmix" }'
[12:13] <JHK> mwe, there its unzipped /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10
[12:13] <KhaBal> what  Caldera OpenLinux does ubuntu use?
[12:13] <mwe> it need to point to the source tree. ln -fns /usr/src/LINUX_SOURCE /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build
[12:13] <KhaBal> what does the latest ubuntu use?
[12:13] <Deanodriver> eh?
[12:14] <Deanodriver> what kernel?
[12:14] <MorphDK> KhaBal, ??
[12:14] <Deanodriver> 2.6.10, i think
[12:14] <KhaBal> im installing admin
[12:14] <MorphDK> ah
[12:14] <KhaBal> and its asking what version  Caldera OpenLinux you have
[12:14] <MorphDK> that's not supposed to happen, right?
[12:15] <KhaBal> it said pick you linux distribution
[12:15] <KhaBal> ubuntu wasnt there so i picked debian
[12:15] <MorphDK> okay
[12:16] <JHK> mwe, now it works a bit more but there is already an error
[12:16] <JHK> Failed to prepare lufs.ko module for your Linux kernel 2.6.10-5-386.
[12:16] <JHK> Detected Linux kernel sources "/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build" do not appear to be valid.
[12:16] <mwe> JHK, what kernel source package did you install?
[12:17] <JHK> linux-source-2.6.10
[12:18] <mwe> JHK, sorry I don't know why you get that error
[12:18] <JHK> okay, thanks
[12:18] <MorphDK> I turned on autohinting on my fonts, and now bold fonts doesn't look nice anymore :(
[12:19] <MorphDK> help me! :D
[12:19] <tigliona1bit> whats autohinting?
[12:19] <MorphDK> :S
[12:19] <Deanodriver> does anyone have any idea of how to resolve this issue I'm having with firefox-gnome-support?
[12:19] <MorphDK> i don't know, but it looks nice :D
[12:19] <tigliona1bit> Deanodriver: what's the difference between firefox-gnome and regular firefox?
[12:19] <Brydenn[WU] > yo yo yo
[12:19] <Deanodriver> i've added the backports repositories
[12:19] <Brydenn[WU] > whats up guys hehe
[12:20] <Brydenn[WU] > i'm back
[12:20] <Brydenn[WU] > Kubuntu rocks
[12:20] <MorphDK> tigliona1bit, I guess it's Firefox GNOME-support
[12:20] <Deanodriver> and now
[12:20] <MorphDK> Brydenn[WU] , yes?
[12:20] <Deanodriver> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:20] <Deanodriver>  /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox-gnome-support_1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5_i386.deb
[12:20] <Deanodriver> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:20] <evader> Hi. I run Hoary and have just the extra mirrormax backports in my sourceslist. I installed beagle after following the ubuntu guide on the beagle page. It indexes gaim,email and web sites - but not files - that backend doesnt work. Any ideas please?
[12:20] <tigliona1bit> MorphDK: uhh, please explain that to me
[12:20] <MorphDK> tigliona1bit, gnome support for firefox..
[12:20] <Deanodriver> and when i load update manager: Your system has broken packages
[12:20] <Brydenn[WU] > yah its pretty cool
[12:20] <tigliona1bit> MorphDK: Stop saying that.  What I mean is Why do you want it?
[12:20] <MorphDK> :D
[12:21] <MorphDK> tigliona1bit, to add gnome support to firefox? :P
[12:21] <MorphDK> tigliona1bit, guess it's the look'n'feel stuff
[12:21] <tigliona1bit> MorphDK: What the hell does that mean?  Firefox works fine in gnome already
[12:21] <MorphDK> tigliona1bit, but i'm not sure
[12:21] <Deanodriver> but simply, mozilla-firefox-gnome-support is broken :P
[12:21] <tigliona1bit> oh, you mean use gtk themes?
[12:21] <MorphDK> maybe!
[12:21] <tigliona1bit> there's plenty of themes on addons.mozilla.org, aren't there?
[12:22] <tigliona1bit> =P sorry I'm not of much help, but you could have explained it to me the first time what exactly you're trying to do
[12:22] <Deanodriver> actually
[12:22] <Deanodriver> seems to be working, thanks anyway
[12:22] <MorphDK> :/
[12:23] <evader> Hi. I run Hoary and have just the extra mirrormax backports in my sourceslist. I installed beagle after following the ubuntu guide on the beagle page. It indexes gaim,email and web sites - but not files - that backend doesnt work. Please ANYONE ?? I've tried google etc....
[12:24] <rasputnik> Deanodriver: what was it then?
[12:24] <Deanodriver> i just ran Synaptic and reinstalled the broken package
[12:25] <rasputnik> Deanodriver: maybe someone fixed it up at the head end
[12:25] <Deanodriver> maybe
[12:25] <xabbu> How do I reconfigure the sound? It seems alsa has forgotten everything.
[12:25] <Deanodriver> I wouldn't mind changing all my repositories to the ones my ISP hosts, if it's possible
[12:25] <rasputnik> anyone have a guide for building your own debs? cadaver has no ssl support, which sucks
[12:25] <Myrtti> nikkia: thanks.
[12:26] <Deanodriver> because then it wouldn't count towards my download quota
[12:26] <rasputnik> Deanodriver: that's nice of them. just edit /etc/apt/sources.list then
[12:26] <Deanodriver> cool, thanks
[12:27] <Deanodriver> hopefully they work :P
[12:27] <evader> Anyone please some help with my beagle file backend troubles?
[12:27] <rasputnik> Deanodriver: back up the file first then :) and run 'apt-get update' to start using the new list
[12:28] <Deanodriver> i've just gotta work out which URL's are for which :P
[12:28] <xvlun> evader, maybe you should provide some relevant information by killing beagle and start it with beagled --fg --debug --allow-backend Files
[12:29] <ukato> hello everyone
[12:29] <evader> xvlun, where can I flood the output too.
[12:30] <evader> xvlun, could you join #flood? and anyone else that wants to have  a quick look at a beagle problem.
[12:30] <xvlun> just use a nopaste system
[12:30] <Deanodriver> meh, it's probably only a few hundred MB, and it's more up to date...
[12:30] <Brydenn[WU] > for some reason i cant see my Windows HD. all i see is the 8gig partition i made for Kubuntu
[12:31] <Brydenn[WU] > anyone know how to mount my windows HD?
[12:31] <Deanodriver> mount -t filesystem /dev/hda1(for example) /mountpoint
[12:32] <duper> Bydenn: mount /dev/hdaX /media/windows -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[12:32] <ukato> what's the umask do
[12:32] <Deanodriver> that one's better :P
[12:32] <evader> xvlun, http://rafb.net/paste/results/TpwZ8S14.html
[12:33] <evader> Anyone that might help with a beagle error please ^ that's --fg --debug output
[12:33] <ukato> has anyone by chance used stratagus before
[12:33] <MorphDK> ARGH.. My gnome-background-properties is broken.. Might be because I deleted some wallpapers after adding them to the list.. What can I do?
[12:33] <evader> WARN: Could not open /dev/inotify
[12:33] <evader> DEBUG: Starting FileSystemWatcher Backend
[12:33] <evader> ERROR: Caught exception while instantiating Files backend
[12:33] <evader> ERROR: System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> System.DllNotFoundException: sqlite
[12:34] <evader> That's basically what it all comes down to.
[12:34] <KBJ> anybody here comfortable in monodevelop?
[12:34] <duper> ukato: i think its been used to change the permission of target folder
[12:35] <ukato> duper, i see
[12:35] <ukato> oh yeah. that makes sense.
[12:35] <evader> I *didnt* set up inotify explicitly - so i expected to see that - but what's with the sqllite bit? doesnt it use extended HDD attributes? Im on ext3 and added that xattr thing...
[12:35] <nobis> ahmm hi... can someone teach me how to use linux? im totally new to this OS.. nid help.. linux101
[12:35] <xvlun> evader, pls type the correct command: /usr/lib/beagle/BeagleDaemon.exe --replace --fg --debug --a llow-backend Files
[12:36] <xvlun> without a space between a nd l
[12:36] <MorphDK> nobis, what do you want to learn?
[12:36] <ukato> nobis, that is very vague
[12:36] <ukato> =P
[12:36] <MorphDK> :P
[12:36] <MorphDK> The force is strong with this one :<
[12:36] <ukato> bwahaha
[12:37] <nobis> waaa...
[12:37] <evader> bash: /usr/lib/beagle/BeagleDaemon.exe: Permission denied
[12:37] <nobis> i want to know the basics
[12:37] <nobis> :)
[12:37] <evader> i normally just type beagled as normal user.
[12:38] <KB2000> anybody here comfortable with monodevelop?
[12:38] <KB2000> i want to add a dll to a monodevelop project
[12:41] <evader> http://rafb.net/paste/results/NBjXrV15.html
[12:41] <evader> Please someone ^ That's my beagled error.
[12:41] <evader> With output.
[12:42] <evader> I didn't set up inotify, but i added that extended attribute stuff to fstab
[12:42] <evader> I didn't manually touch the kernel
[12:43] <nikkia> evader: you need to install sqlite
[12:43] <jago25_98> How do I control startup services from the commandline? (rc-update - command not found)
[12:43] <nikkia> the first error ('System.DllNotFoundException: sqlite') is the clue :)
[12:44] <evader> nikkia, what packages - just 'sqlite' ? I followed the Ubuntu hoary beagle guide at the beagle page
[12:44] <bassMonkey> hi, how much memory should ubuntu use by default? top says this with only tomboy and gaim running: Mem:    516344k total,   440240k used,    76104k free,     8564k buffers
[12:44] <nikkia> evader, yeah, i think its just sqlite
[12:45] <evader> ill try.
[12:45] <bassMonkey> while system monitor says: User memory: 132.4 MB of 504.2 MB 26.3%
[12:45] <bassMonkey> why the huge difference?
[12:45] <tapia> hi
[12:46] <tapia> I have a problem with the mimetypes
[12:46] <tapia> when I try to open a PDF with evince, I get this error:
[12:46] <tapia> MIME type not supported: 'application/x-extension-pdf'
[12:47] <amnesia> hi
[12:47] <twb_> anyone know how to install Limewire on here?
[12:47] <ukato> how often do you all shut off your computer
[12:47] <ukato> twb_, isn't there a package for it
[12:47] <amnesia> which network-manager works for anyone, the breey one or the on in thom's repo
[12:47] <bassMonkey> twb_: Isn't that in ubuntuguide?
[12:47] <tigliona1bit> twb_: it's in ubuntuguide
[12:48] <twb_> hmmmm i never checked
[12:48] <amnesia> breey/breezy
[12:48] <twb_> whats the command for deleting files?
[12:48] <ukato> "rm"
[12:49] <twb_> rn 'filename'?
[12:49] <bassMonkey> could someone check how much ram thei're using please? in top and in "system monitor"... please?
[12:49] <bassMonkey> rm
[12:49] <twb_> rm 'filename'
[12:50] <bassMonkey> yes...
[12:50] <twb_> thx
[12:50] <bassMonkey> twb_: please help me in return?
[12:50] <bassMonkey> twb_: i'm not asking for very much
[12:50] <CaWIss> bassMonkey, 150
[12:51] <sly> im using 249 ( converting video )
[12:51] <bassMonkey> is that what top shows or what system monitor shows?
[12:51] <sly> thats what my desklets show
[12:51] <hunger> I can not log into gnome on my fresh breezy install.
[12:51] <CaWIss> user memory
[12:51] <twb_> bassmonkey: sure
[12:52] <bassMonkey> hmm...
[12:52] <CaWIss> bassMonkey, user memory in system monitor :P
[12:52] <Sugoi-Baka> hello
[12:53] <Sugoi-Baka> I have a problem on boot... I get some Kernel Panic about VFS and mounting of root=
[12:53] <Sugoi-Baka> (a common problem?)
[12:53] <twb_> is eMule used to dl music?
[12:53] <Sugoi-Baka> i've looked up in google a lot, but can't find it
[12:54] <jago25_98> twb_: all sorts on that
[12:54] <twb_> is it good?
[12:55] <Sugoi-Baka> I have not changed anything in the kernel or boot or anything... did a reboot and got that error ;/
[12:57] <Prottie> Sugoi-Baka: what did the error say?
[12:57] <Prottie> exactly.
[12:57] <xabbu> Can someone please help me? My soundcard isn't working. When trying to play any media the mediaplayer hangs. Some times I get a message that my soundcard isn't properly configured. How do I configure it? It worked acouple of days ago. Might be because of the kernel upgrade.
[12:57] <nikkia> xabbu, that sounds like a sharing issue
[12:57] <Sugoi-Baka> VFS: Cannot open device "hde4" or unknown-block(0,0)
[12:57] <Sugoi-Baka> Please append correct "root=" boot option
[12:57] <Sugoi-Baka> Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[12:57] <Sugoi-Baka> blah that's not mine
[12:57] <nikkia> xabbu: http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly read that
[12:58] <Sugoi-Baka> change hde4 to hda2 and (0,0) to (0,1)
[12:59] <xabbu> nikkia, I did that some time ago.
[01:01] <twb_> why is gtk-gnutella so damn slow
[01:01] <Sugoi-Baka> I think we solved it... kinda
[01:03] <[L|eWiOn] > I hope anyone has time for me now
[01:04] <[L|eWiOn] > Suppose i'm still wrong what a help :(
[01:04] <Sugoi-Baka> [L|eWiOn] , it would be good if you asked what you wanted instead of asking if anyone can help
[01:04] <Sugoi-Baka> people hate it
[01:05] <[L|eWiOn] > i already did
[01:05] <[L|eWiOn] > like an hour ago
[01:05] <Sugoi-Baka> ah
[01:05] <[L|eWiOn] > 20 times
[01:05] <ukato> heh
[01:05] <Sugoi-Baka> what did u ask?
[01:05] <[L|eWiOn] > i have a problem with printing on the network
[01:05] <[L|eWiOn] > on my laptop
[01:05] <Sugoi-Baka> in ubuntu?
[01:05] <[L|eWiOn] > it prints an error page PCL XL Error
[01:05] <[L|eWiOn] > yes
[01:06] <Sugoi-Baka> the network printer is on *nix or win?
[01:06] <[L|eWiOn] > not on a computer
[01:06] <[L|eWiOn] > usin jetdirect
[01:06] <grexk> is there any howto repackage ubuntu?
[01:06] <Sugoi-Baka> [L|eWiOn]  did u try this? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=124137#post124137
[01:06] <[L|eWiOn] > it's an hp 1200
[01:07] <twb_> jesus, why is installing Limewire nest to impossible?
[01:07] <[L|eWiOn] > it's not on a computer
[01:07] <Sugoi-Baka> ok
[01:07] <[L|eWiOn] > it's on jetdirect some thing from hp that normally is supported by ubuntu
[01:08] <twb_> is sudo like an admin hing?
[01:08] <bassMonkey> ok, I tried running ubuntu from a livecd on another pc and it still uses nearly 300MB of ram by default after boot according to "top", how is that possible?
[01:08] <Sugoi-Baka> I know nothing about printers sorry... I'm just pretty good in fetching answers from the net
[01:08] <sly> twb , it isnt hard at all =\
[01:08] <Sugoi-Baka> twb_, it lets you run commands as root, when u are a normal user
[01:08] <twb_> then why cant i do it....: /
[01:09] <twb_> oh ok
[01:09] <[L|eWiOn] > anyway
[01:09] <Sugoi-Baka> bassMonkey, it uses the ram as its hard drive
[01:09] <[L|eWiOn] > i have a serieus question
[01:09] <twb_> sly: u have liewire?
[01:09] <Sugoi-Baka> since it doesn't want to install anything on your disk
[01:09] <ukato> twb_, i do
[01:09] <bassMonkey> well my desktop install uses even more ram with only a few apps running...
[01:09] <twb_> sly: whered u get it
[01:10] <sly> apt-get
[01:10] <[L|eWiOn] > Can you recommend me to install linux on all my computers so that i have no problems with al windows app
[01:10] <[L|eWiOn] > ?.
[01:10] <twb_> sly: i tried out of the guide but the link isnt theere anymore
[01:10] <Sugoi-Baka> bassMonkey, linux tries to use up the most memory possible in order to get the computer to run faster
[01:10] <xabbu> How do I configure VLC to work with ALSA?
[01:10] <sly> find the respo sumwhere , and add it just once, ill see if i still got a link sumwhere, was rather intresting
[01:10] <Sugoi-Baka> it caches the hard drive in the memory
[01:11] <ukato> twb_, i just got mine from the limewire site
[01:11] <Sugoi-Baka> xabbu, I know you want to use VLC, but for video I really recommend mplayer and for audio I recommend xmms
[01:11] <xunil_> yay for me installed ubuntu!
[01:11] <twb_> ukato: howd you install it
[01:11] <twb_> ukato: mnes giving me trouble
[01:12] <ukato> msg twb_ hello
[01:12] <ukato> whoops.
[01:12] <sly> twb_ whats wrong with gtk-gnutella
[01:12] <twb_> sly: sudo apt-get limewire?
[01:12] <twb_> sly: its soooooo slow
[01:12] <Sugoi-Baka> apt-get install
[01:12] <Sugoi-Baka> on linux, try using MLDonkey
[01:12] <sly> .................. but it connects to the same network
[01:12] <Sugoi-Baka> it has some complex configs, but to me it seems the best client
[01:12] <sly> you exspect ............ limewire to be differant ?
[01:13] <Sugoi-Baka> it has all those networks... edonkey, overnet, bt, gnutella, gnutella2 and more
[01:13] <sly> sure it isnt a portforwarding issue ?
[01:13] <twb_> different programs are better than others
[01:13] <ukato> bittorrent is very cool
[01:13] <Sugoi-Baka> and u can run the "server" and "client" remotely
[01:13] <xabbu> Sugoi-Baka, hm how do I start mplayer then?(I use blackbox.
[01:14] <Sugoi-Baka> i.e, run the mldonkey server on your pc at home, then connect to it from the network from school or whatever
[01:14] <Sugoi-Baka> xabbu, mplayer filename
[01:14] <sly> twb_ u aint listning propaly are you ???
[01:14] <xabbu> oh.
[01:14] <Sugoi-Baka> it's very minimalistic
[01:14] <Sugoi-Baka> it doesn't have a real "gui", but I really like
[01:14] <twb_> sly: guess not
[01:14] <Sugoi-Baka> left right up down to seek in the file, f for fullscreen, space for pause
[01:15] <xabbu> Sugoi-Baka, Okey Ill give it a try.
[01:15] <Sugoi-Baka> (pgup/pgdn to seek even further)
[01:15] <Sugoi-Baka> others recommend xine
[01:15] <xabbu> Just hope it accually starts playing the movie soon thou
[01:15] <sly> gtk-gnutell/limewire connect to the same networks .................... i cant see you getting differant speeds for the same file off the network... so hence i said sounds like a port/portfowarding issue
[01:16] <twb_> rgr that
[01:18] <sly> are all your ports on your router/firewall setup correctly for the ports you told the program to use
[01:19] <Technostalgia> Hi everyone! Can anyone help me with getting my mouse to work through a KVM in Hoary?
[01:20] <ukato> twb_ seems angry
[01:21] <sly> if all he wants to use is limewaire, maybe should stick to windows =\
[01:21] <Technostalgia> hehe
[01:22] <xabbu> Sugoi-Baka, How come nothing happens after typing mplayer <filename>?
[01:22] <xunil_> how do i write to change the admin psw?
[01:22] <xunil_> (root)
[01:22] <xabbu> The last line is "alsa-init: 1 soundcardfound, using: default" After that nothing happens.
[01:23] <jino> xunil
[01:23] <HiddenWolf> xunil_ why would you want to change it.
[01:23] <jino> did u forget it?
[01:23] <xunil_> beacuase its not working in some places
[01:24] <xunil_> like if i install a program it dont work
[01:24] <bimberi> Technostalgia: What kind of mouse (PS2, serial,...)?
[01:24] <jino> xunil, if know the present one  , go to rool terminal and type passwd
[01:24] <charly> hai friends
[01:24] <xunil_> but if i run the root terminal it works
[01:24] <Technostalgia> it's an M$ one with USB->PS/2 converter
[01:25] <xunil_> now it works
[01:25] <bimberi> Technostalgia: So it's a USB KVM?
[01:25] <Poromies> hmm, what do i need to apt-get to add mp3 support to  KDE?
[01:25] <Technostalgia> no, it's a PS/2 one but the USB mouse is going through the supplied PS/2 converter
[01:27] <Technostalgia> works fine on WinXP and I'm sure it's worked on Mandrake 10.0 through the KVM
[01:27] <charly> i want know how mplayer is installed in system
[01:27] <xabbu> Gah, Isn't there a singel mediaplayer that works with ALSA?
[01:27] <bimberi> Yes it might be that the mouse entry in /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't point to the right device
[01:28] <Technostalgia> bimberi - let me have a look
[01:28] <xabbu> charly, sudo apt-get install mplayer. Then mplayer <filename> to  play media
[01:28] <bimberi> Does lsusb output anything meaningful?
[01:28] <xabbu> lsusb
[01:29] <grexk> lsusb?
[01:29] <jino> charly, hi
[01:29] <grexk> is it listing usb devices?
[01:29] <bimberi> Sorry - that was addressed to Technostalgia
[01:30] <Technostalgia> lsusb shows 3 devices - Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 and the same for Bus 002 and Bus 001
[01:31] <Technostalgia> I don't have any USB devices connected at the moment though
[01:31] <bimberi> Technostalgia: Hmm - mine includes an entry like this ...
[01:31] <nikkia> Technostalgia: they'll be your system hubs
[01:31] <bimberi> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 046d:c016 Logitech, Inc. Optical Mouse
[01:32] <Technostalgia> is your mouse plugged into a USB port? cos mine's plugged into the PS/2 port
[01:32] <nikkia> mine shows 9 devices, of which 5 are hubs :)
[01:32] <Technostalgia> hehe
[01:33] <bimberi> Technostalgia: Sorry - I misunderstood - thought you had PS/2 out of the KVM into a converter then into USB into the PC
[01:33] <nikkia> the other 4 are my ipod, a PS2 joypad, bluetooth, and my keyboard/mouse receiver
[01:33] <Technostalgia> sorry bimberi, probably my fault
[01:34] <Technostalgia> so to all intents and purposes it's a PS/2 mouse and that's what my WinXP box sees it as
[01:35] <bimberi> Technostalgia: OK.  Check /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see if the mouse entry has /dev/psaux as the device
[01:36] <Technostalgia> yes, it has
[01:37] <bimberi> Hmm.
[01:37] <Technostalgia> I tried this and it didn't help: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-28643.html
[01:38] <hunger> Can I reinstall all the debs I have?
[01:40] <Technostalgia> strangely the mouse works fine through a VNC session from my WinXP box
[01:40] <sly> i like your name i can i please pinch it =D
[01:40] <charly> bye friends i going
[01:40] <BockBilbo> anyone here knows if the ipw2200 card works with wep in ubuntu hoary?
[01:41] <BockBilbo> it used to work for me with warty, but it doesnt with hoary
[01:41] <BockBilbo> :S
[01:41] <BockBilbo> quite wierd
[01:41] <bimberi> Technostalgia: Yes I suppose it would.  Sorry, I don't have any further thoughts ATM.
[01:41] <nikkia> bob2___: if its like mine, yes, if you use WEP128, no if you use WEP64, unfortunately, my other cards only support WEP64 so the ipw goes on the shelf
[01:41] <nikkia> erm, BockBilbo rather
[01:41] <xabbu> Doesn't anyone know how to configure vlc to usd alsa?
[01:42] <Technostalgia> bimberi - no problem, thanks for trying anyway :)
[01:42] <BockBilbo> what nikkia ?
[01:42] <nikkia> xabbu: you have to select 'advanced options' in preferences, then the device list appears in 'Audio'
[01:42] <BockBilbo> oh
[01:42] <BockBilbo> nikkia, i use wep128 with a passphrase
[01:42] <nikkia> bock, then it should work
[01:43] <nikkia> bock, you do have the firmware installed, right?
[01:43] <toby1007> hi @ all
[01:44] <BockBilbo> well, it doesnt :(
[01:44] <BockBilbo> ive updated the driver
[01:44] <BockBilbo> to the latest one, and also the firmware
[01:44] <BockBilbo> i can get to configure the network
[01:44] <BockBilbo> but when trying to get the ip address via dhcp, it just cant get it
[01:44] <BockBilbo> nikkia, yes
[01:44] <BockBilbo> ive gotten it from the ipw2200.sf.net site
[01:45] <BockBilbo> and copy them to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware
[01:45] <nikkia> hmmm
[01:45] <BockBilbo> the card works fine, i can connect to no wep aps
[01:45] <Mez> Hmm
[01:45] <xunil_> how do i remove the E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:45] <xunil_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it
[01:45] <xunil_> lock?
[01:45] <Mez> I'm getting weird eporblwes with hotplug
[01:45] <BockBilbo> but not to the wep ap
[01:45] <Mez> It freezes if I have my USDB hard disk drive in
[01:45] <Mez> but it's never done so before.
[01:45] <nalioth> xunil_: you either are not "sudo" or you have another instance of apt running
[01:46] <xunil_> just i now it crashed..
[01:46] <nikkia> or aptitude, or synaptic, or ... :)
[01:46] <xunil_> know
[01:46] <BockBilbo> nikkia, what did u do for making it work? just worked when you installed hoary?
[01:46] <nikkia> bock, as i said, i don't have it working
[01:46] <nikkia> it doesn't support WEP64, and my other cards don't support WEP128
[01:47] <nikkia> (it doesn't support WEP64 in windows either, so its not a firmware/linux-driver issue)
[01:47] <Technostalgia> looks like my KVM issue is a kernel issue fixed in 2.6.11 so I guess i've got to work out how to upgrade my kernel ;)
[01:47] <sly> ouch =\
[01:47] <xunil_> i found it out
[01:47] <xunil_> killed it in ps aux
[01:47] <zyth> Technostalgia, 2.6.11 is in synaptic
[01:48] <xunil_> any one know how to mount there windows dirv?
[01:48] <xunil_> .
[01:48] <Technostalgia> oh cool, thanks zyth
[01:48] <zyth> Technostalgia, np
[01:49] <sly> Tecno where ya from ?
[01:49] <Technostalgia> I'm from the UK, you
[01:49] <Technostalgia> ?
[01:49] <sly> i was formaly asking which part as i notcied uk isp :)
[01:49] <Technostalgia> oh hehe, Midlands
[01:50] <sly> <- sheffield :)
[01:50] <Technostalgia> ;)
[01:51] <xabbu> nikkia, hm, that doesn't work.
[01:51] <Technostalgia> gotta go, cheers everyone! :)
[01:52] <xunil_> get to say i love apt-get
[01:56] <BockBilbo> ok nikkia
[01:56] <BockBilbo> thanks though
[01:56] <BockBilbo> :)
[02:00] <DrSchlauf> hello! just one question. :) i've installed ubuntu hoary in expert mode. everything works fine. but there's a problem in gnome. when i try to start a program which needs root privelegs, my password seems to be wrong. i have a root account with password. starting these programs as root in a terminal is no problem. which user do i have to edit to run systemtools in gnome? (i'm sorry about my bad english!)
[02:01] <rob^> DrSchlauf, you need to use your users password
[02:01] <rob^> it will still use sudo even though you have enabled the root account
[02:02] <DrSchlauf> rob^: oh! i'll try that, thanks a lot! is there a way to change the needed user to root?
[02:03] <rob^> I'd say so, but it would be a pain in the butt
[02:04] <rob^> maybe edit each programs menu entries?
[02:05] <DrSchlauf> phew... i'll take my normal user account :) thanks again!
[02:05] <rob^> np
[02:07] <rob^> quiet in here tonight..
[02:08] <_0kills> morning all!
[02:08] <rob^> .
[02:11] <_0kills> anyone here ever installed enemy territory?
[02:12] <mindmedic> _0kills: yes
[02:12] <Oby_Wan> hei man
[02:12] <Oby_Wan> how can I put
[02:12] <Oby_Wan> the
[02:12] <Oby_Wan> url bar
[02:12] <Oby_Wan> in nautilus?
[02:12] <_0kills> mindmedic, im having problems... i went to download it off enemy-territory.com, and when i clicked the download link it just gave me a huge document
[02:13] <Prottie> Oby_Wan: your enterkey is stucked?
[02:13] <mindmedic> use the save as... funktion
[02:13] <_0kills> k
[02:13] <Oby_Wan> oh, no sorry, it's a stupid habit of mine
[02:13] <Oby_Wan> :\
[02:13] <mindmedic> or use: wget <location>
[02:14] <Oby_Wan> but does anyone know how to do that?
[02:14] <DrSchlauf> rob^: my user is not allowed to run sudo.... could you tell me how to change this?
[02:15] <_0kills> mindmedic, i clicked save as, but it saves it as .html..
[02:15] <Prottie> Oby_Wan: however. I have not found that myself.
[02:15] <Oby_Wan> you havent found what?
[02:15] <mindmedic> Oby_Wan: go into nautilus options, in one of the tab is the option "use browser windows"
[02:15] <mindmedic> _0kills: then use try another mirror...
[02:16] <Prottie> mindmedic: there is?
[02:16] <mindmedic> pick a gentoo server near to you, they have enemy territory in the distfiles
[02:16] <Oby_Wan> mindmedic, where are nautilus options? editt->preferences ?
[02:16] <Oby_Wan> is that it?
[02:16] <_0kills> k
[02:16] <mindmedic> yes
[02:16] <Prottie> mindmedic: I have never found this.
[02:16] <Oby_Wan> but in wich tab
[02:16] <Oby_Wan> is that?
[02:16] <Prottie> *looking again*
[02:17] <^johns^> behavior i would guess
[02:17] <mindmedic> hold on a second
[02:17] <mindmedic> think i made a mistake ^_^
[02:17] <Oby_Wan> hum
[02:18] <mindmedic> second tab
[02:18] <mindmedic> :) "immer im browser fenster ffnen" in german
[02:18] <erb> hello
[02:18] <mindmedic> Oby_Wan: found it?
[02:19] <Oby_Wan> but mindmedic in 2nd tab I only have behavious,executable text files,garbage
[02:19] <Prottie> it is named "Do not open a new window for each folder"
[02:19] <Oby_Wan> and in any of those
[02:19] <Prottie> very bad naming if you ask me!
[02:19] <Oby_Wan> there's noithing concerning urls
[02:19] <mindmedic> yeah sorry the translations vary a lot.. thanks Prottie
[02:20] <mindmedic> well the browser window has an urlbar
[02:20] <Prottie> yes
[02:20] <Oby_Wan> i haven't got that
[02:20] <Oby_Wan> in this tab
[02:20] <Oby_Wan> :\
[02:20] <Prottie> but saying it not to open a new window for each folder you enter does not describe very well what function it has.
[02:21] <Oby_Wan> nautilus should bring the url bar activated by default
[02:21] <Oby_Wan> :\
[02:21] <Prottie> Oby_Wan: you not?
[02:21] <Prottie> Oby_Wan: agreed.
[02:21] <mindmedic> why, it has the drop down menu in the lower left
[02:21] <Oby_Wan> oh
[02:21] <mindmedic> its pretty fast to navigate using it
[02:21] <Oby_Wan> now it's working
[02:21] <Oby_Wan> :)
[02:21] <Oby_Wan> thx
[02:21] <Oby_Wan> :D
[02:22] <Oby_Wan> ye
[02:22] <Oby_Wan> but if you want to connect
[02:22] <Oby_Wan> to a server
[02:22] <Oby_Wan> it's not too functional to use the file menu
[02:22] <Prottie> mindmedic: yeah but "view as image collection" etc are closer in the old nautilusbehaivior
[02:22] <Oby_Wan> cause you can't say what went wrong if nothing happens
[02:24] <Mez> nayone reccomend a good sound editing program (audacity bombs out for me - and segfaults when trying to run with artsdsp)
[02:24] <mindmedic> Prottie: i like the new behaviour a lot... at first it was strange navigating this way, but now i'm a lot faster with it... if i need to quickly entar a specific path i uses Ctrl + L
[02:25] <balor> How do I import a gpg key so that apt dosn;t give me a gpg error?
[02:25] <balor> ah.. apt-key add
[02:26] <Oby_Wan> well
[02:26] <Oby_Wan> thans a lot for helping, see you around
[02:29] <sam_> stupid question: Where can I find out the IP of my PC in ubuntu?
[02:29] <liable> sam_: sudo ifconfig
[02:29] <mindmedic> Mez: audacity is very good.. if it has problems with artsd then kill artsd..
[02:30] <Mez> mindmedic, I dont want to kill artsd... I still need it.
[02:30] <Mez> and killing artsd dowsnt cause a problem
[02:30] <Mez> causes problems *
[02:31] <ep> I've been using apt-get to install packages. How do uninstall?
[02:31] <loftus> dpkg --remove or dpkg --purge
[02:31] <yuacht> hello, could anyone help me set my proftpd so that people who has an account on my computer can access their homedirs and have full writeaccess there?
[02:31] <sam_> Thanks, but what does if stand for?
[02:31] <mindmedic> well, audacity works very stable for me..
[02:31] <mindmedic> you might try gnomefiles.org or sourceforge.net for a good alternative
[02:32] <Mez> ep - apt-get remove package
[02:32] <Mez> mindmedic, I'm using KDE
[02:32] <ep> thanks
[02:32] <liable> sam_: interface
[02:33] <mindmedic> since you have arts i figured that :D
[02:33] <mindmedic> i dont know about kde programs
[02:33] <Technostalgia> Hi (again)... can anyone tell me how to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.11? I don't know which Synaptic package I need.
[02:35] <mindmedic> Technostalgia: 2.6.11 is not the ubuntu default kernel
[02:35] <yuacht> Technostalgia, 2.6.11 isn't availible in ubuntu repos
[02:36] <Technostalgia> hmm ok - someone said it was in Synaptic, and I think I need it to fix a KVM problem
[02:36] <yuacht> Technostalgia, you have to compile it yourself
[02:37] <Technostalgia> yikes ;)
[02:37] <Technostalgia> what does linux-image-2.6.11-1-686 do?
[02:37] <yuacht> it's the image
[02:38] <yuacht> but i don
[02:38] <yuacht> 't know if it installs
[02:38] <Poromies> it installs new kernel with default setting for you
[02:38] <Technostalgia> heh I'll try it, I'm a n00b and i'll only learn by trying :)
[02:39] <yuacht> ok, i guess u can use the image in the repo
[02:39] <yuacht> but it isn't official so there's no guarantee it'll work
[02:39] <Technostalgia> ok thanks - I'm just playing at the moment and have nothing to lose, I can always just reinstall
[02:39] <Poromies> im 99,9% sure it wont be a problema at all, usualy things start working better when updating (atleast if you have relatively new hardware)
[02:40] <sly> back techno :)
[02:40] <Technostalgia> hi sly
[02:40] <sly> the way you was speaking earlyier indicated you wasnt a noob =\
[02:41] <Technostalgia> hehe... well I am when it comes to the guts of Linux ;)
[02:42] <Poromies> Technostalgia: if you feel like you wanna do more hard-core "adventuring" to the unstable world, get breezy ;)
[02:43] <yuacht> how stable is breezy atm? and how long til the release?
[02:43] <chrissturm> its released 10/05
[02:43] <Poromies> i tried it out, coz my motherboard/chipset needs the 2.6.12 kernel to work properly.. also im running 64bit system, it started nicely with breezy but then i noticed that it didnt have anything i needed to install in the repos :D
[02:44] <Poromies> no multimedia, no graphics, no players, no nothing :P
[02:44] <chrissturm> Poromies, what were you missing?
[02:44] <Poromies> sys-clock wasnt working with 64bit under 2.6.12 kernels
[02:44] <Poromies> it ran twice as fast as normal
[02:44] <Poromies> :D
[02:44] <Poromies> it gave my system all kinda aches everywhere
[02:45] <Poromies> videos and music played at double speed etc..
[02:45] <chrissturm> when did you try?
[02:45] <Poromies> but anyways, i made the decision to come back to breezy when it struc to my mind that i could just install the kernell from breezy repos, not the whole system
[02:45] <chrissturm> so you are saying your motherboard *needs* 2.6.12 but doesnt work with 2.6.12? how does that make sense?
[02:46] <Poromies> no it needs and works with 2.6.12
[02:46] <Poromies> not belov that version, not working below kernel version 2.6.12
[02:47] <Poromies> uchszz.. i need to get some sleep
[02:48] <Poromies> i ment to say i came back to Hoary, and just installed the kernell from breezy :)
[02:48] <chrissturm> Poromies, and that worked well?
[02:50] <Technostalgia> hmm my kernel upgrade to 2.6.11 worked but my mouse still doesn't respond :(
[02:50] <Poromies> chrissturm: yeps
[02:51] <Technostalgia> Poromies: was that difficult to do?
[02:52] <chrissturm> Technostalgia, how do you know its a kernel problem?
[02:52] <Technostalgia> it's in bugzilla as a kernel problem, let me find the link
[02:52] <Poromies> Technostalgia: noopes
[02:52] <rasputnik> does nautilus support webdav over ssl?
[02:52] <gingerdog> I know I shouldn't be using Breezy, but I am, and I get problems with Ice when starting X sessions (Gnome doesn't work, and XFCE is a bit slow to load). Is this a known issue? Or should I just blame myself for using Breezy?
[02:53] <teroedni> teroedni@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ sudo tar xvfz -C /usr/src <affix-kernel-3.2.0.tar.gz>bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline
[02:53] <teroedni> whats wrong?
[02:53] <yuacht> can i just use the kernel from breezy dev?
[02:53] <gingerdog> specifically: ~/.xsession-errors contains : IceTrasnTransNoListen: unable to find transport: tcp
[02:53] <chrissturm> gingerdog: do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[02:53] <gingerdog> then it moans that it can't create /dev/X (i'm not root)
[02:53] <Technostalgia> christurm: kernel bugs 779 and 2082 according to http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2005/03/08/110-kvm-and-linux
[02:54] <teroedni> what does syntax error nera unexpecting token mean
[02:54] <gingerdog> yep v0.52
[02:54] <teroedni> ??
[02:54] <teroedni> please
[02:54] <rasputnik> teroedni : It means the command was garbled
[02:54] <teroedni> garbled?
[02:54] <rasputnik> teroedni : i.e. typed wrong
[02:55] <teroedni> ahh
[02:55] <rasputnik> just cd /usr/src and 'sudo tar zxvf /path/to/file'
[02:55] <gingerdog> chrissturm: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/299
[02:56] <teroedni> thanks
[02:56] <sly> god today is reight boring
[02:57] <rasputnik> gingerdog: 'usr/bin/startxfce4: X server already running on display :0' - is that relevant?
[02:57] <Poromies> Technostalgia: if you want to use breezy repos for something... just "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" and then comment out your installation CD and backports if you have those.. and for all the other rep-links put "breezy" instead of "hoary", save it, do "sudo apt-get update" and then run synaptic , browse for the "Base System", check the kernel version you want to install and install it.
[02:57] <gingerdog> rasputnik : I only have one X process running, and I'm using it.
[02:57] <Poromies> gg that took some typing
[02:58] <gingerdog> i don't know if it's relevant
[02:58] <Technostalgia> hehe.. thanks poromies
[02:58] <rasputnik> that's what i meant - so is startxfce4 definitely supposed to be run from .xsession?
[02:58] <Poromies> my brain aint working properly atm
[02:58] <gingerdog> I asked it to run xfce from the gdm login screen
[02:58] <sam_> Why can't i change input mode by pressing ctrl+space after installing "a lot of" SCIM packages.
[02:59] <_root_> what is the syntax for compressing multiple files to a single one
[02:59] <Poromies> Technostalgia: but dont do apt-get upgrade with breezy repos or you will end up with complete (and propably partly broken) breezy system
[02:59] <rasputnik> ah, maybe that's just a red herring then
[02:59] <rasputnik> _root_: man tar
[02:59] <Poromies> just check out those packages you need, and then edit /sources.list back to hoary
[03:00] <gingerdog> perhaps. oh well, I'll just wait for it to get fixed sometime somewhere.
[03:00] <_root_> rasputnik: i dont want to use tar .. only gzip
[03:00] <rasputnik> tar cvf archive.tar <list of files and directories>
[03:00] <rasputnik> _root_: well that's not what gzip does
[03:00] <_root_> rasputnik : but is it possible ?
[03:00] <rasputnik> yes. with tar :)
[03:01] <Technostalgia> Poromies: I'll try that - cheers
[03:01] <gingerdog> _root_ : you could be evil and do cat file1 file2 file3 etc | gzip > something.gz
[03:01] <gingerdog> but teh files will merge together in one long list.
[03:02] <snowseal> how to open a tgz file :S ?
[03:02] <gingerdog> tar -zxf somethign.tgz
[03:03] <snowseal> same as tar.gz. okay.
[03:04] <nbx909|linux> anyone here
[03:04] <nbx909|linux> ?
[03:05] <Technostalgia> nbx909|linux: yes ;)
[03:05] <nbx909|linux> what is the defult root password in ubuntu
[03:05] <peterretief> how do i run a local irc server
[03:05] <snowseal> same as the user password
[03:05] <nbx909|linux> ty
[03:06] <HavoK> hi
[03:06] <rasputnik> nbx909|linux : there isn't one. use sudo
[03:06] <snowseal> :P
[03:06] <rasputnik> wow that told him
[03:06] <Technostalgia> hehe... i think i broke hoary by installing 2.6.11... time for a reinstall ;)
[03:06] <HavoK> there is a sane scanner configuration howto in ubuntu's wiki? I've read some howtos external to ubuntu but none of them was useful
[03:07] <JHK> i've installed bum (boot-up manager), when i start it ("sudo bum") an error appears: Can't locate Encode/Alias.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/Encode.pm line 46.
[03:07] <JHK> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/Encode.pm line 46.
[03:07] <JHK> Compilation failed in require at /usr/bin/bum line 40.
[03:07] <JHK> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/bum line 40.
[03:07] <snowseal> ffs, i need to connect a floppy drive to this sserver to install the sata drivers.
[03:07] <JHK> what should i do?
[03:07] <crimsun> Technostalgia: 2.6.11-1 from universe?
[03:07] <HavoK> I've a canoscan 650U, plustek backend provides support for this scanner..
[03:07] <rasputnik> peterretief :  apt-cache search irc|grep server <- pick one
[03:07] <crimsun> JHK: don't flood here
[03:07] <JHK> sry
[03:07] <b1uet> I'm trying to get Bluetooth working on my HP Compaq nc6120
[03:07] <b1uet> But it doesn't
[03:08] <crimsun> Technostalgia: you need to boot with "noinotify"
[03:08] <b1uet> Bluetooth manager says it can't find an adapter
[03:08] <Poromies> Technostalgia: if it worked with a previous kernel, then just press esc while in grub at reboot and select the previous kernel you used
[03:08] <Technostalgia> what does noinotify do?
[03:08] <petros> hello
[03:09] <petros> do anyone know the shortcut for the word squaremeters?
[03:09] <petros> sqm?
[03:09] <rasputnik> JHK: you don't have Encode:Alias installed for some reason
[03:09] <HavoK> m? =)
[03:09] <rasputnik> go to search.cpan.org and get it
[03:10] <rasputnik> that should be 'Encode::Alias'
[03:10] <JHK> rasputnik, an how do i install it?
[03:10] <JHK> ahuman01, okay
[03:10] <rasputnik> JHK: you untar it and read the readme :)
[03:10] <peterretief> rasputnik, thanks :)
[03:11] <rasputnik> JHK: it looks like whatever package installed Encode.pm is borked so putting it in manually should sort you out
[03:12] <JHK> rasputnik, what command
[03:13] <Technostalgia> Poromies: thanks, the previous kernel works
[03:14] <orlando> hi i have a problem with sound in ubuntu
[03:14] <orlando> i can hear all the ubuntu sounds, but no sounds from applications
[03:15] <wirjo> what apps?
[03:15] <orlando> like flash and media player
[03:15] <skel_> hello
[03:16] <wirjo> hmm
[03:16] <wirjo> weird
[03:16] <wirjo> have u downloaded the codecs
[03:17] <orlando> yes
[03:17] <skel_> i got a question i isntall limeiwre it runs fine.. but it will not go to the system tray
[03:17] <orlando> thats a bug in limewire
[03:17] <skel_> damm
[03:17] <Poromies> orlando, you can usualy spesify the sound-source-device in settings/controll menu of the aplication.. i had the OSS soundsystem on by default in i.e. xmms and changing it to ALSA did the trick
[03:17] <skel_> there a fix?
[03:17] <Technostalgia> Poromies: I think I've done the sources.list thing, which package do I need from "Base System"? linux-image-686?
[03:18] <Leliel_Stormhawk> orlando, if you have onboard sound,a nda  asoundcard, make sure, the driver it talking tot he right device
[03:18] <Poromies> Technostalgia: wait a bit
[03:18] <orlando> nah theres only a sound card
[03:18] <Technostalgia> ok
[03:18] <orlando> i hear all the ubuntu sounds
[03:18] <orlando> like startup
[03:18] <orlando> and button clicking and stuff
[03:19] <Leliel_Stormhawk> severs = servers
[03:19] <ubuntu_hkg> I have just installed ubuntu on my mac ibook g3 and it works great
[03:19] <hunger> What do I need to do after installing kubutu-desktop to get a KDE session in kdm/gdm?
[03:20] <orlando> what do you mean sound servers?
[03:20] <Leliel_Stormhawk> i don;t know how ubuntu does things, since i'm looking at moving to it myself
[03:20] <ubuntu_hkg> I tried to install on my windows laptop but got a message that HAL could not be started.  Any ideas?
[03:20] <Poromies> Technostalgia: yea linux-image<version you want>.i686 is right for the newest kernel on the i686 system
[03:21] <JHK> rasputnik, where is the readme for installing Untar::Aliases?
[03:21] <ubuntu_hkg> I installed the Live CD.  That means I don't have to install anything on my mac.  It runs off the CD and is quite fast.
[03:21] <Technostalgia> AMD Duron is i686, right?
[03:21] <Leliel_Stormhawk> orlando, a soundserver, lies between the application layer and the soundcard, i can't think of an example off the top unfortunately
[03:21] <ubuntu_hkg> what is HAL?
[03:22] <Poromies> yea i think so
[03:22] <Poromies> :)
[03:22] <Leliel_Stormhawk> orlando, a seperate thing from the driver
[03:22] <rasputnik> join #perl
[03:22] <Technostalgia> right I've edited sources.list but now Synaptic throws errors when I load it
[03:22] <orlando> ohh
[03:23] <orlando> there was an option
[03:23] <orlando> in configuring sound
[03:23] <Poromies> Technostalgia: are you surfing the breezy repos?
[03:23] <orlando> 'Enable sound server startup'
[03:23] <Technostalgia> "Couldn't stat source package list http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main.Packages"
[03:23] <orlando> it was checked, I guess ill uncheck it then
[03:23] <Leliel_Stormhawk> turn it off orlando, it's grabbing the soundcard, and not letting apps talk direct to the card
[03:23] <kungkang> what is the requirements for running a x-server? is it necessary to have a graphics card even if you only intend to use the x-server through vnc on another machine?
[03:23] <Technostalgia> think I might have messed up the edit ;)
[03:23] <Poromies> yea
[03:24] <orlando> alright I think I gotta restart for it to work
[03:24] <orlando> brb thanks
[03:24] <sly> restart ?
[03:24] <Poromies> well the easy eay is to edit via synaptic -> options
[03:24] <ubuntu_hkg> bye guys this is too technical for me
[03:24] <Poromies> but i find myself using more and more commandline .. seems faster
[03:24] <Technostalgia> could it be something to do with using gb.archive instead of us.archive?
[03:25] <Poromies> yea, it could
[03:25] <Poromies> im using the us ones
[03:25] <Poromies> plus fi ones .. all in one happy mix :)
[03:26] <Leliel_Stormhawk> quick question, what is ubuntu like as a personal desktop, on an amd64 system?
[03:27] <sly> thats like asking a windows user whats windows like as a desktop
[03:27] <sly> its personal choice
[03:27] <Poromies> Leliel_Stormhawk: it makes you do bit more work in the setup than a 32bit system
[03:27] <Leliel_Stormhawk> i shoudl reprase, i'm runnign away from fedora core, after a few stunts redhat pulled in fc4
[03:28] <Technostalgia> Poromies: sorry, I forgot to do apt-get update!
[03:28] <sly> hmm never much liked fedora =\
[03:28] <Poromies> Technostalgia: do it but dont, DONT! do upgrade :D
[03:28] <Leliel_Stormhawk> well, with fc4, redhat has deliberately borked the xmms rpm's on their update servers, to prevent mp3 playback
[03:28] <xxtreme> Leliel_Stormhawk> we dont understand ur question, u tried linux before, right?
[03:28] <mushroom> fedora is so fat~
[03:29] <mushroom> I use beep-media-player
[03:29] <Leliel_Stormhawk> i've been running fedora core for months now, and want to know roughly how painful the shift is likely to be
[03:29] <Poromies> Leliel_Stormhawk: if you already know how to use linux, then installing ubuntu64 is a breeze
[03:29] <kungkang> Leliel_Stormhawk: well mp3 is non-free = impossible to distribute freely by red hat.
[03:29] <Leliel_Stormhawk> true
[03:30] <Leliel_Stormhawk> but, it's still the thin end of the wedge, to so break the player, that you cannot install an mp3 plugin, without first getting the player from some other source
[03:30] <mushroom> yeah~ maybe u r right
[03:30] <Technostalgia> Poromies: seems to be working, just got to wait for it to download (only on 512K broadband) - brb
[03:30] <xxtreme> Leliel_Stormhawk: me coming over from BSD and Redhat, ubuntu is a walk in the park, the best i've seen so far
[03:30] <Leliel_Stormhawk> to be legally sound, all they would have to do, is to not provide the mp3 plugin, xmms has many other uses than mp3's
[03:31] <kungkang> Leliel_Stormhawk: i have a fc4 machine and i installed xmms from fedora-extra and then added the mp3 plugin and it worked fine.
[03:31] <Leliel_Stormhawk> very niice to hear xxtreme
[03:31] <orlando> ok sound works on flash in mozilla now
[03:31] <orlando> still not in totem
[03:31] <Leliel_Stormhawk> refused to play for me
[03:31] <Leliel_Stormhawk> completely refused to play
[03:31] <sly> orlando how you mange that
[03:31] <sly> ?
[03:32] <orlando> turn off sound server
[03:32] <kungkang> Leliel_Stormhawk: strange, i think i used the mp3 plugin from fc3 though.
[03:32] <mushroom> ArchLinux is the fastest,Ubuntu is the easiest ~~~linux
[03:32] <Leliel_Stormhawk> sly, check to see if you have a soundserver running, they usually lock the soundcard, so no apps can directly talk to it
[03:32] <Leliel_Stormhawk> kungkang, you'd have to, in the end i had to use entirely fc3 xmms
[03:33] <xxtreme> Leliel_Stormhawk> come join us
[03:33] <mushroom> you can install the xmms in fc3
[03:33] <Poromies> hehe
[03:33] <sly> sh** thats been anoying me for a couple days now and i suddenly have sound in them little flash servers, that easy =\
[03:33] <Leliel_Stormhawk> i'm talking about fc4
[03:33] <sly> games*
[03:34] <xxtreme> Leliel_Stormhawk> take the plunge to Ubuntu
[03:34] <mushroom> is this the FC channel?
[03:34] <Leliel_Stormhawk> mushroom, the problem as i see it, is that they overracted, all they really had to do, was just not provide an mp3 plugin for anything
[03:34] <qos_> i am trying to install a newer version of the ipw2200 driver for my wlan card. but when i run "sudo make" there is going something wrong:
[03:34] <Seveas> mushroom, lol :)
[03:34] <Leliel_Stormhawk> xmms has many other formats, thus, sufficient non-infirnging use
[03:34] <Seveas> qos_, what is going wrong..?
[03:34] <xxtreme> qos= whts the error
[03:34] <mushroom> :)
[03:34] <mushroom> what's the matter~?
[03:34] <Poromies> sly, after solving a problem that usualy the feeling "all that time... and all it took in the end was that! gg" :D
[03:35] <qos_> where should i paste the error?
[03:35] <mushroom> LOL~~~
[03:35] <sly> well . one more tick at the side of Ubuntu +'
[03:35] <sly> +'s *
[03:35] <Seveas> qos_, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:35] <qos_> http://rafb.net/paste/results/is0Qca97.html
[03:36] <mushroom> what's that url?
[03:36] <Poromies> i had that feeling last night, when i solved my systemclock problem with updating to a new kernel and issuing a "no_timer_check" boot-param in grub.conf :)
[03:36] <mushroom> use apt-get install ?
[03:36] <Seveas> qos_, you need to: sudo aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[03:37] <goldfish> any korn shell experts here?
[03:37] <mushroom> I am newbie~
[03:37] <qos_> i installed the linux headers already...
[03:37] <Leliel_Stormhawk> perhaps an error in gcc?
[03:37] <Seveas> qos_, then you just need build-essential :)
[03:37] <Leliel_Stormhawk> might want a different compiler version?
[03:38] <qos_> okay, i try :)
[03:39] <mushroom> good luck~ :)
[03:39] <Technostalgia> Poromies: thanks, the kernel upgrade worked :)
[03:39] <Technostalgia> still hasn't solved my mouse problem but i'll come back to it later, i should go and do some real work ;)
[03:40] <Seveas> Technostalgia, mouse problem..?
[03:40] <Technostalgia> my mouse doesn't work on my ubuntu box through my kvm
[03:40] <Leliel_Stormhawk> anyone know if the ipod mini will mount on a fresh ubuntu install?
[03:40] <Seveas> ah, kvm :}
[03:40] <Technostalgia> Seveas: yeah, hehe... any ideas?
[03:41] <Seveas> Technostalgia, serial or ps2?
[03:41] <Technostalgia> ps2 (via usb-ps converter)
[03:41] <Seveas> ENOIDEA then
[03:41] <b1uet> I'm having a problem with my Bluetooth adapter
[03:42] <b1uet> Bluetooth manager can't find it
[03:42] <xxtreme> Leliel_Stormhawk> mine works
[03:42] <Leliel_Stormhawk> mini or full size?
[03:43] <Technostalgia> ok, gtg, bye!
[03:43] <b1uet> Can someone help me please?
[03:43] <xxtreme> Leliel_Stormhawk> full
[03:43] <Technostalgia> (thanks everyone!)
[03:43] <Poromies> Technostalgia: remember to edit back to hoary repos
[03:43] <Poromies> chit, too late :D
[03:44] <mushroom> 
[03:44] <mushroom> ...
[03:44] <b1uet> Hello!
[03:44] <mushroom> hi~what's up?
[03:44] <b1uet> My Bluetooth adapter doesn't work
[03:44] <sly> $!$!$!$!$! ........ =D
[03:44] <b1uet> Bluetooth manager can't find it
[03:45] <Leliel_Stormhawk> xxtreme, what generation? the mini sometimes produces a blocksize error
[03:45] <b1uet> !!!!!!!
[03:45] <ubotu> I don't know, b1uet
[03:45] <Leliel_Stormhawk> xxtreme, and the latest 20gb's do the same
[03:46] <xxtreme> Leliel_Stormhawk> you need to install gtkpod from Universe
[03:46] <b1uet> !bluetooth
[03:46] <ubotu> b1uet: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:46] <Leliel_Stormhawk> xxtreme, that;s not what i was asking
[03:46] <b1uet> bluetooth is not
[03:46] <mushroom> usb+bluetooth?
[03:46] <b1uet> Probably
[03:46] <Leliel_Stormhawk> if certain options are compiled into the kernel, it just plain can;t mount a mini
[03:46] <b1uet> It's on my laptop
[03:46] <mushroom> probably
[03:46] <mushroom> ???
[03:46] <Leliel_Stormhawk> no matter what software you run
[03:47] <b1uet> An HP nc6120
[03:47] <xxtreme> Leliel_Stormhawk= my full size works good, and a friend has a mini and his works ok, if you run into problems, we can help
[03:48] <b1uet> Any idea, mushroom?
[03:48] <mushroom> oh~I have no idea
[03:48] <lightboy> hey all
[03:49] <mushroom> It's works in my Ubuntu
[03:49] <lightboy> n e one know of a good app that lets u watch input from a ViVo video card
[03:49] <b1uet> mushroom, what did you do to get it to work?
[03:49] <parham> hi
[03:49] <b1uet> hi
[03:49] <parham> i need some help with Ubuntu
[03:50] <parham> anyone to help?
[03:50] <mushroom> just ~~~use bluetooth manager
[03:50] <lightboy> hey
[03:50] <gfxstyler> hi
[03:50] <Amaranth> parham: You need to ask a question first.
[03:50] <b1uet> mushroom, as I told you, that didn't work
[03:50] <parham> i need to talk in private
[03:50] <mushroom> ....so I have no idea~
[03:50] <mushroom> :(
[03:51] <Amaranth> parham: You need to know something that other people don't?
[03:51] <b1uet> Hmm...
[03:51] <lightboy> so does n e one know a good app to watch input from vivo?
[03:51] <mushroom> :(
[03:51] <gfxstyler> can someone tell me how can i set the system language to another language? (ive set the kde language to german, used base-config and dpkg-reconfigure locales but still all apps exept the kde apps are english)?
[03:51] <parham> Amaranth: what are you talking about!!!
[03:51] <b1uet> parham, maybe commercial support is what you are looking for?
[03:51] <parham> no
[03:51] <kungkang> parham: the chance of finding someone that can help you is greater if you post the question in public.
[03:52] <parham> it is about file-sharing, uninstalling programs, removing items and ... under Ubuntu
[03:52] <Amaranth> err
[03:52] <Amaranth> that doesn't tell us much
[03:53] <Amaranth> lightboy: tvtime?
[03:53] <lightboy> Amaranth: whats tvtime?
[03:53] <detran> parham: use synaptic :)
[03:53] <kungkang> parham: be specific.
[03:53] <mushroom> apt-get install tvtime?
[03:53] <Amaranth> what he said
[03:53] <parham> okay one more try
[03:53] <Amaranth> i've never used it, just found it on packages.ubuntu.com
[03:54] <parham> and i will be gone
[03:54] <lightboy> Amaranth: like does it just display whats coming in to the card? and do u need special drivers? i have the nvidia ones installed
[03:54] <Amaranth> lightboy: I've never used it
[03:54] <parham> how do you enable file-sharing with windows system in Ubuntu without Samba or whatever
[03:54] <parham> ?
[03:54] <Amaranth> you need samba
[03:55] <jonathan_> hello
[03:55] <kungkang> parham: samba is the prefered method for establishing a network between windows and linux. why dont you want to use it?
[03:55] <parham> because it was like shit
[03:55] <parham> and it did not work
[03:55] <justin_> parham: nice attitude
[03:55] <jonathan_> I need some direction as to why I have system sounds but can't hear cd's
[03:55] <Amaranth> parham: Anything not using samba is either impossible or a lot harder.
[03:55] <mushroom> you wanna mount filesystem ?
[03:55] <anacron> hmm why it was shit?
[03:56] <chris__> can anyone help me, i seem to have a very simple sound problem i cannot handle (SIS7012 with CMI9761)
[03:56] <detran> parham: the samba config is really simple
[03:56] <kungkang> parham: well you could make use of the gnome virtual filesystem. it can virtually mount ssh/ftp and other protocols.
[03:56] <Amaranth> jonathan_: Either the volume is turned down or your CD-ROM doesn't have that little cable running from it to the sound card.
[03:56] <baris_> parham, http://ubuntuguide.org/#sshfromwindows maybe this can help
[03:56] <parham> i don't like to hire a programmer to share some damn files, i installed samba, and shared some folders, and nothing happened
[03:56] <b1uet> Can someone point me to an Ubuntu Bluetooth How-To or somethiing?
[03:57] <chrissturm> bluet: what problem do you have?
[03:57] <baris_> parham, i tried it with a friend and it worked well
[03:57] <b1uet> Bluetooth manager doesn't detect my adapter
[03:57] <jonathan_> everything is connected
[03:57] <b1uet> It is supposed to be officially supported under Ubuntu
[03:58] <chrissturm> bluet: do you have bluez* packages installed?
[03:58] <kungkang> parham: ok. in your case i would either (a) give us a better description of the problem or (b) use another protocol.
[03:58] <jonathan_> any other ideas Amaranth?
[03:58] <b1uet> chrishartley, no
[03:58] <b1uet> I'll istall it right away
[03:59] <Amaranth> jonathan_: Are you sure the sound is turned up for CDs?
[03:59] <parham> who are you actually? are you somehow involved in Ubuntu or what?
[03:59] <jonathan_> yes
[03:59] <chrissturm> bluet: that should solve your problems
[03:59] <Amaranth> jonathan_: No clue then.
[03:59] <kungkang> parham: no, just a fellow user :)
[03:59] <jonathan_> k..will keep playing then..thanks
[03:59] <b1uet> chrishartley, thanks
[03:59] <troglodyt> jonathan, can you hear mp3s?
[04:00] <b1uet> Nope, didn't work
[04:00] <baris_> troglodyt, which jonathan :P
[04:00] <chrissturm> bluet: you now have all bluez- packages installed?
[04:01] <b1uet> Not all
[04:02] <b1uet> I have bluez-pin and bluez-utils
[04:02] <Leliel_Stormhawk> xxtreme, does ubuntu come with EFI partition tables supported by default?
[04:02] <chrissturm> bluet: enter "hcitool scan"
[04:03] <iLLf8d> Leliel_Stormhawk, EFI?
[04:03] <justin_> Leliel_Stormhawk: grep -i efi /boot/config*
[04:03] <b1uet> ms@greybox:~$ hcitool scan
[04:03] <b1uet> Device is not available: Success
[04:03] <Leliel_Stormhawk> i';m not running ubuntu yet
[04:03] <Leliel_Stormhawk> just figuing out if i'll have to dfo a kernel recompile soon as i install it
[04:03] <Leliel_Stormhawk> EFI partition support, kills 4thgeneration, and mini ipods
[04:03] <chrissturm> bluet: what kind of bluetooth adapter do you have?
[04:04] <Leliel_Stormhawk> they simply refuse to mount if the kernel supports it
[04:04] <b1uet> I don't know
[04:04] <chrissturm> usb? pcmcia?
[04:04] <b1uet> Maybe it's in dmesg
[04:04] <b1uet> Built-in laptop one
[04:04] <chrissturm> ic
[04:04] <b1uet> Nothing in dmesg
[04:04] <chrissturm> bluet: try to install all the bluez packages, maybe that helps
[04:05] <BockBilbo> hello again
[04:05] <b1uet> All of them are installed now
[04:06] <chrissturm> bluet: maybe your kernel doesnt support it.... you tried dmesg | grep blue  ?
[04:06] <b1uet> No output
[04:06] <xxtreme> Leliel_Stormhawk= i see FC has lots of problems with ipod mini
[04:06] <Leliel_Stormhawk> xxtreme, not fc
 Nothing in dmesg
[04:07] <Leliel_Stormhawk> the kernel has problems, if the kernel supports EFI partitions, a bug int he ipod kills it
[04:07] <cmg_> cany anyone recommend a CVS (gui) client that doesn't COMPLETELY suck? (preferably that I can get from Synaptic)
[04:07] <justin_> b1uet: what bluetooth thingy does lspci say you have?
[04:07] <Leliel_Stormhawk> this is the same for all distro's
[04:07] <justin_> cmg_: what is wrong with the cvs program?
[04:07] <cmg_> justin_, what do you mean?
[04:07] <chrissturm> cmg: what about scm?
[04:07] <justin_> cmg_: /usr/bin/cvs
[04:07] <b1uet> justin_, doesn't say I have one
[04:07] <justin_> b1uet: are you sure that you do?
[04:07] <cmg_> justin_, i'm looking for a front-end for cvs.. cvs itself is fine
[04:08] <b1uet> ms@greybox:~$ lspci | grep blue
[04:08] <justin_> b1uet: no, just lspci, then read
[04:08] <b1uet> It works great in Windows
[04:08] <cmg_> chrissturm, never got scm setup
[04:08] <chrissturm> cmg: its tricky, but i can help you
[04:08] <b1uet> 0000:02:06.4 0805: Texas Instruments: Unknown device 8034
[04:09] <cmg_> chrissturm, is it worth it?  I'm blown away by the fact that every CVS client I try sucks so bad.   I'm tempted to write my own
[04:09] <chrissturm> cmg: once theres decent java support in ubuntu i will build a deb for it
[04:09] <chrissturm> cmg: scm is sooo great
[04:09] <cmg_> chrissturm, cool.. that would be good.. I installed the jvm yesterday so I guess I am part way there
[04:09] <Discipulus> hmm, Ubuntu seems to be limiting my bandwith.
[04:09] <Discipulus> I'm connected to my isp at 45333 like I should be but yet my download speeds are under 1 kb/s
[04:09] <b1uet> 0000:02:06.5 Communication controller: Texas Instruments: Unknown device 8035
[04:10] <toran> what command can I run to see what a new device's /dev assignment is?
[04:10] <cmg_> I would think there would be like 50 awesome front-ends for CVS.. but nope
[04:10] <chrissturm> bluet: it seems that its not supported by the kernel
[04:10] <chrissturm> cmg: thats ok, because you need just one
[04:10] <Seveas> b1uet, you're out of luck, TI never releases specifications...
[04:10] <Discipulus> I talked to my ISP and they said it seems  to be on my end
[04:10] <cmg_> chrissturm, true..
[04:10] <Leliel_Stormhawk> Discipulus, they always say that
[04:10] <Discipulus> haha
[04:11] <b1uet> But some docs sais it's supported by Ubuntu
[04:11] <toran> what command can I run to see what a new device's /dev assignment is?
[04:11] <cmg_> chrissturm, whats the link for scm.. I'm gonna try...  I was playing with lincvs and gcvs this morning.. both are embarrasingly bad pieces of software
[04:11] <Leliel_Stormhawk> Discipulus, seriously, no isp has a problem, unless it affects more than 100k users
[04:11] <chris__> anyone got the sound running on a SIS7012 Onboard Card? please help me...
[04:11] <jansen> i'm used the breezy,but my x is shutdown
[04:11] <Discipulus> Leliel_Stormhawk, my ISP doesn't have 100k users...
[04:11] <sly> chris__ mine is a sis somthing or other and works fine
[04:11] <Leliel_Stormhawk> chris_ are you getting system sounds?
[04:11] <chrissturm> cmg: gcvs is really bad
[04:11] <Discipulus> Leliel_Stormhawk, it's a local dial-up ISP
[04:12] <chrissturm> cmg: but i told you :)
[04:12] <Leliel_Stormhawk> sorry Discipulus, i have no idea what is cuasing it
[04:12] <Discipulus> :-\
[04:12] <Discipulus> :'(
[04:12] <Discipulus> damn mother
[04:12] <exalted> hi, can anyone tell me how to remove any possibile installed package to my system in any repository but main?
[04:12] <Discipulus> too stubborn to get DSL or Cable...like the rest of the freakin world
[04:12] <nikkia> b1uet: as much as i hate the company, belkin's usb bluetooth adapters work perfectly with linux
[04:12] <nikkia> (and they're as cheap as dirt these days)
[04:13] <chris__> Leliel_Stormhawk, jes!
[04:13] <chrissturm> cmg: http://www.jessies.org/~enh/software/scm/
[04:13] <Discipulus> it's taking 20 minutes just to do a bandwith test!
[04:13] <bluemax> i have ubuntu installed, and i want to install windows xp now also for dual-boot. would this be fairly easy by just putting in a new hard disk and installing XP to that HD?
[04:13] <Leliel_Stormhawk> chris__, see if you have a soundserver running, if you do, kill it and see if that helps
[04:13] <chris__> Leliel_Stormhawk, system sounts (like pressing bkspace in terminal...)
[04:13] <greg__> is it safe to install network-manager from breezy on hoary?
[04:13] <chris__> Leliel_Stormhawk, im running KDE
[04:13] <cmg_> chrissturm, thanks.. i'll d/l it again (also, us tab completion when you type my name so i know msgs are for me :)
[04:14] <chris__> Leliel_Stormhawk, killall esd?
[04:14] <chris__> ne esd running
[04:14] <chrissturm> cmg: right, but your name is so short. maybe you should add notification for "cmg" too :D
[04:14] <Leliel_Stormhawk> chris__, there should be a way to simply kill just the server, and make it stay dead
[04:14] <Leliel_Stormhawk> chris__, i don;t know much about kde, i use gnome
[04:15] <chrissturm> cmg_, you just need to download the 2 archives, and extract them to the same directory
[04:15] <Leliel_Stormhawk> however, with a oundserver running, you have to either make the apps talk through it, or kill the soundserver, since it locks the soundcard
[04:15] <chris__> Leliel_Stormhawk, tried it, no changes... and on gnome it doesn't work, too
[04:16] <Leliel_Stormhawk> chris__, what drivers are you using?
[04:16] <jansen> my computer's temp. it's so high,what can i do it?
[04:16] <chris__> Leliel_Stormhawk, drivers
[04:17] <Leliel_Stormhawk> chris__, yes, drivers, but alsa? arts? oss?
[04:17] <cmg_> chrissturm, ok.. i untarred scm and it creates an /scm/ directory.. does the lib go inside that directory? or the directory I untarred scm into
[04:17] <chris__> Leliel_Stormhawk, driver is alsav1.06
[04:17] <chris__> Leliel_Stormhawk, driver is alsav1.06 emulation code
[04:17] <chrissturm> cmg_, the salma-hayek lib needs to go where the scm dir is
[04:17] <Leliel_Stormhawk> chris__, try the oss drivers
[04:18] <cmg_> chrissturm,  right.. but inside the scm dir?
[04:18] <chrissturm> cmg_: i have a directory /usr/java where i put all java stuff
[04:18] <chrissturm> cmg_, nope
[04:19] <chris__> Leliel_Stormhawk, ok, give me some minutes..
[04:19] <cmg_> chrissturm, ok.. got them untarred.. and have a jvm installed
[04:20] <Leliel_Stormhawk> chris__, are apps adressing the right device?
[04:20] <bubuche> hello
[04:20] <chrissturm> cmg_: try <path_to_scm>/bin/checkintool
[04:20] <bubuche> ?
[04:20] <Discipulus> Alright, my internet moves so slow I failed a speed test.
[04:20] <bubuche> il y a des Francais ?
[04:20] <chrissturm> cmg_, while being inside a cvs managed directory
[04:21] <DJHasis> Anyone know what package includes file libX11muu.so.1 cause GDM can't find it?
[04:21] <cmg_> chrissturm, well.. to start I want to check out a tree.. so i dont have a dir yet
[04:21] <Leliel_Stormhawk> chris__, google is telling em the intel i810 shoudl work for the SIS7012, using oss drivers
[04:21] <lightboy> n e one here know how to use tvtime with a vivo videocard
[04:21] <troglodyt> bubuche, try #ubuntu-fr
[04:21] <chrissturm> cmg_: check it out with commandline cvs
[04:22] <cmg_> chrissturm, ok
[04:22] <chrissturm> cmg_, cvs co -P:pserver ....
[04:22] <Leliel_Stormhawk> gah, oss uses the same driver for intel i810 and SIS701, so make sure that the i810 is supported by the kernel
[04:22] <chrissturm> cmg_, scm is just for stuff that doesnt work well with commandline
[04:23] <cmg_> chrissturm, cool.. gimme a sec to check it out
[04:23] <chrishartley> My toshiba satellite 1735 screen is being incorrectly autodetected by X as 800x600 when windows can do 1024x768. Anyone know how to force the screen size? All my xorg.conf stettings are being over-ridden by this autodetection
[04:24] <lightboy> so does n e one know if tvtime supports ViVo video cards?
[04:26] <sly> Leliel what distro did you say you was coming from ?
[04:26] <Leliel_Stormhawk> sly Fedora core
[04:27] <SuperSheeP> hello
[04:27] <zever> someone have experienced troubles playing mp3s after upgrading to hoary from warty
[04:27] <sly> :)
[04:27] <SuperSheeP> cool UBUNTU
[04:27] <cmg_> chrissturm, got scm to start :)  thats a good sign
[04:28] <sly> i guess they would be a lot you would be manualy installed from a 4disk distro to 1disk ??
[04:28] <exalted> How to remove all the packages but main's from my system?
[04:29] <Leliel_Stormhawk> sly, i used the DVD images
[04:29] <chrissturm> cmg: it can do 2 things: check stuff in (checkintool) and display file revisions (revisiontool)
[04:29] <cmg_> chrissturm, but it's just hanging at "getting file statuses" (there are actually no files.. I checked out an empty module as my working directory)
[04:30] <Leliel_Stormhawk> though, sly, some woudl say that the 3Gb size of the dvd image, is symptomatic of fedora's bloat
[04:30] <sly> indeed....... im trying to think of somthing quite that big that fedora has over ubuntu ?
[04:30] <chrissturm> cmg_, try using it in a way that makes sense :)
[04:31] <Discipulus> Are you guys sure it isn't Ubuntu that's limiting my bandwith?
[04:31] <sly> Discipulus ..... why whoudl ubuntu do that ?
[04:31] <Discipulus> I dunno
[04:31] <cmg_> chrissturm, lol.. well what I wanted to do was import an empty module (which I did).. and then begin adding files to working directory and checking them into CVS with a gui
[04:31] <Discipulus> my ISP says it's my side
[04:31] <Discipulus> I disagree
[04:32] <sly> all isp's do
[04:32] <Discipulus> lol
[04:32] <chrissturm> cmg_, so you have an empty cvs module checked out.
[04:32] <sly> my isp dude on the phone asked whats linux
[04:32] <Discipulus> and my mom's too much of a bitch to let me get cable or DSL
[04:32] <chrissturm> cmg_, copy the files you want to add there
[04:32] <chrissturm> cmg_, and then run the checkintool again
[04:32] <chrissturm> cmg_, it will show you what files are new and changed, and let you add and commit
[04:32] <sly> if you aint on cable or dsl........ you cant realy be getting speeds to see if its going slow or not ?
[04:32] <Leliel_Stormhawk> Discipulus, the only time i have had my isp admit there was a problem,. was when the fact that their fiber lines had been broken on 2 places was on the national news, and the stock exchange was taken down byt the damage
[04:33] <Discipulus> haha
[04:33] <Leliel_Stormhawk> only last week
[04:33] <Discipulus> sly, you can if you're only getting .5 kbps
[04:33] <Discipulus> sly, instead of 53 kbps
[04:34] <sly> Hmm
[04:34] <Discipulus> sly, download speeds are usually around 200-300 b/s
[04:34] <Leliel_Stormhawk> Discipulus, look at the logs, are you getting any errors?
[04:34] <Discipulus> Leliel_Stormhawk, nope
[04:34] <sly> what dialup connection gives you 53k/s
[04:34] <sly> ?
[04:34] <SuperSheeP> COOL WINDOWS XP
[04:34] <Discipulus> sly, kilobits per second
[04:34] <Discipulus> not kilobytes
[04:34] <Discipulus> ;-)
[04:34] <sly> yeh yeh shhhh
[04:34] <SuperSheeP> ;-)
[04:34] <greg__> is it safe to install network-manager from breezy on hoary?
[04:35] <sly> and this worked fine befor ubuntu on ........................... ?
[04:35] <chrissturm> greg__, network manager crashes for me
[04:35] <greg__> chrissturm, hmm...
[04:35] <sly> SuperSheep you feeling ok ?
[04:35] <greg__> chrissturm, like always? or just sometimes?
[04:35] <chrissturm> greg__, you can always try it
[04:36] <greg__> chrissturm, yeah I am installing it right now so we will see how this goes
[04:36] <Discipulus> hmm, might my mom randomly turning off my computer in the middle of the night while I was downloading something have disturbed my download speeds?
[04:36] <Discipulus> my download speeds were fine last night
[04:36] <Discipulus> and I wake up this morning
[04:36] <Leliel_Stormhawk> unlikely Discipulus
[04:36] <mjr> Discipulus, no
[04:36] <Discipulus> and they're just TOO slow, even on dial-ups standards
[04:36] <SuperSheeP> ON aMsn , i can have a webcam ?
[04:37] <greg__> Discipulus, the internet is under attack, so expect it to be slow
[04:37] <charly_> i cant we java webpage in firefox webbrowser
[04:37] <SuperSheeP> on Amsn , i can have a Webcam ?
[04:37] <cmg_> chrissturm, seems to work :)
[04:37] <greg__> chrissturm, installing network-manager is upgrading openoffice and other stuff too
[04:38] <cmg_> chrissturm, need to explore more.. but so far this is by far the best one i've tried
[04:38] <sly> charly_ apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[04:38] <sly> ?
[04:38] <chrissturm> greg: you'd better download the source deb and build it
[04:38] <greg__> cmg_, what is the best of what again?
[04:39] <Discipulus> it dipped above 1 kb/s
[04:39] <Discipulus> but it's going constant at 899 b/s
[04:39] <Discipulus> :-\
[04:39] <chrissturm> greg: scm is the best svn and cvs frontend
[04:39] <Discipulus> goddamnit
[04:39] <charly_> can i get sun -j2rel.5 from synaptic package manger
[04:39] <sly> who Discipulus you could have a ebook in a day ;)
[04:39] <cmg_> greg__, yeah.. what chrissturn said
[04:39] <sly> sorry , did not help
[04:40] <greg__> chrissturm, too late
[04:40] <greg__> chrissturm, what is the name of the user space application?
[04:40] <sly> Leliel_Stormhawk how long you been on fedora ?
[04:41] <Leliel_Stormhawk> sly about 2 months, and 4 system rebuilds
[04:41] <lightboy> can n e one help me with a vivo video card problem?
[04:41] <Leliel_Stormhawk> sly, i migrated after windows exploded 3 times, in one weekend
[04:42] <sly> and fecora exploded 4/5 times in a weekend ? ;)
[04:42] <Leliel_Stormhawk> i'm sorry Discipulus, i really have no idea what might cause it
[04:42] <Discipulus> GRRRRRR
[04:42] <sly> befor ubuntu i was dual-boot
[04:42] <Leliel_Stormhawk> actually no sly, i've only had 2 major issues with fedora, firstly, ipod mini support, is a bitch to get working
[04:42] <Discipulus> why is it moving so FUCKING slow?
[04:43] <Leliel_Stormhawk> and secondly, the way they dealt with mp3 licensing
[04:43] <Discipulus> this is really pissing me off
[04:43] <Discipulus> brb, gonna try a restart
[04:43] <sly> but i cant see your real issue with the 2nd option
[04:43] <Discipulus> and cross my fingers it helps
[04:43] <sly> as long as you got it to work
[04:43] <sly> ouch restart ??
[04:43] <greg__> the new hal (0.5.2) does not detect any devices other than acpi stuff, thus network-manager does not find any network devices
[04:43] <charly_> while i am installg sun -j2rel.5 from synaptic package manager,it shows an error which was '401 Authorization Required'
[04:44] <cmg_> charly_, i tried installing java yesterday and had a hell of a time and ended up getting it from Sun instead
[04:44] <Leliel_Stormhawk> sly, control. i don't like anyone having any control over my system, or what goes on it, bar me
[04:45] <charly_> did u installed it properly
[04:45] <cmg_> charly_, i installed it from Sun and it works fine
[04:45] <lightboy> does n e one have a working ViVo setup?
[04:46] <sly> if thats how you feel.................... did you hate windows altogether ?
[04:46] <sly> didnt * in the first place*
[04:46] <charly_> please give me the path to proper site where i get that
[04:46] <cmg_> chrissturm, any way I can make it so it doesn't ask me for a password every cvs command I do? (im using SSH.. probably should use keys?)
[04:46] <zever> someone have experienced troubles playing mp3s after upgrading to hoary from warty
[04:46] <cmg_> charly... go to java.sun.com.. download j2se5.0
[04:47] <Leliel_Stormhawk> sly, have for a logn time, and tried to migate to linux several times
[04:47] <Leliel_Stormhawk> the problem was, i'm lazy, and it was eaier to jsut keep using windows, rather than learn linux
[04:48] <charly_> i also want to know where i get the themes and nice wallpapers for ubantu
[04:48] <lightboy> can n e one help me with rivatv?
[04:48] <Leliel_Stormhawk> but, after a week of absolute refusal to go anywhere near microsoft, and a fedora core 3 dvd form the last attempt, i'd learnt enough to stick with linux
[04:50] <sly> i think mine went. (Dual Booting) mandrake ........... college linux .......... back to mandrake read about Unbuntu. i like it that much im now Ubuntu only on this pc
[04:50] <sly> when trying the others it was always dual-boot untill maybe 2month ago now
[04:51] <greg__> the new hal (0.5.2) does not detect any devices other than acpi stuff, thus network-manager does not find any network devices
[04:51] <greg__> any ideas on why hal can't find anything?
[04:51] <greg__> the old hal worked just fine
[04:51] <Leliel_Stormhawk> sly, i found when dualbooting, that i would just use the windows all the time
[04:52] <sly> haha , =\
[04:52] <charly_> i want to know where i get ubantu wallpaper and themes
[04:52] <sly> gnomelook.org for themes/icons etc
[04:53] <Albaraha> I got errors when trying to update ubuntu: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/300
[04:54] <SuperSheeP> hello WOrld
[04:54] <SuperSheeP> editeur C++ linux ?
[04:54] <SuperSheeP> ?
[04:55] <icaro> SuperSheeP, nano
[04:55] <icaro> lol
[04:55] <sly> SuperSheep are you on drugs by anychance ?
[04:57] <evader> Hi I seemed to get ubuntu working fine. I followed the UbuntuWiki guide - but instead of using CVS I used the backports mirrors for Hoary. Anyway - it seems to work - my memory usage is quite high though. Since I got it working, I can use beagle-status ... it just sits there blank
[04:57] <evader> If i start beagle in --fg --debug mode - i can see it indexing though
[04:57] <Discipulus> hmm, a reboot helped a lil bit
[04:57] <Discipulus> I'm at 7.5 kbps now...
[04:57] <evader> ooops i meant I seemed to get *beagle* working fine
[04:58] <evader> Anyidea why beagle-status might not work if beagle seems to being working (even if mem. usage is a bit high)
[04:58] <sly> what would you class a bit high ?
[04:59] <evader> Well I have 512mb/ram - system was getting up to ~40mb free only
[04:59] <evader> That's with gnome + xchat running only.
[04:59] <evader> (and beagled/best)
[04:59] <echylo_> anyone uses nec nd 3540 around here? which program do you use to write cd-r's & dvd's?
[04:59] <evader> I just dont understand why I can't use beagle-status or beagle-info stuff...
[04:59] <nikkia> sly, i would class 'high' the reason i stopped using beagle - when it tried to load the entire contents of a 4GB rar file into memory, and crashed my kernel
[05:00] <Quest-Master> Dead X: someone help, please :( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44748
[05:00] <evader> nikkia, eek :|
[05:01] <sly> =/
[05:01] <tuxJr_14> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/include/circle.jpg shows five people/heads but the logo seems like only 3 people/heads. is it only me or is there a specific reason for that except being the original logo
[05:02] <root__> Yes, I know
[05:02] <wasabi____> okay, so in X, my keys don't work right.
[05:03] <wasabi____> j changes zoom mode.
[05:03] <wasabi____> Most keys either zoom in or out.
[05:03] <wasabi____> Oh, I see
[05:03] <evader> nikkia, So any idea why I can't use beagle-status since I got it working/indexing files? When it wasn't really working (only indexing gaim and websites), beagle-status worked fine.
[05:04] <Deanodriver> hey
[05:04] <echylo_> anyone uses nec nd 3540 around here? which program do you use to write cd-r's & dvd's?
[05:04] <dabi> any cmd to see own localhost ip assigned by dhcp?
[05:04] <Deanodriver> are there any gnome applets that display CPU temperature and the like? and if so, how do I install one? :)
[05:05] <Deanodriver> i've got lm-sensors installed
[05:05] <djg> Hi, I'm trying to run GNOME, but it gets as far as logging in, and halts totally.
[05:05] <dabi> Deanodriver: hardware-monitor
[05:05] <Deanodriver> dabi, cool, thanks, I'll give it a shot :)
[05:05] <Discipulus> Leliel_Stormhawk, it didn't really help
[05:05] <djg> Does anyone know if GNOME is broken in Breezy?
[05:05] <tuxJr_14> i had registered for ubuntu CDs at shipit.ubuntulinux.org. but it has been a long time and i haven't recived any. the page at the site (after logging) in says:CD Mailing History
[05:05] <tuxJr_14> Date 	Quantity Sent
[05:05] <tuxJr_14> 2004-11-08 22:51:12.43 	13
[05:05] <tuxJr_14> 2005-02-01 00:00:00.00 	50
[05:05] <Discipulus> I can't connect to AIM my connection is so slow
[05:05] <Discipulus> brb
[05:06] <Deanodriver> does it have a CPU temperature monitor component?
[05:06] <tuxJr_14> and a lot more apart from that
[05:06] <evader> dabi: from a console: ifconfig eth0
[05:06] <evader> djg, I was on Breezy the other day - gnome was fine - other stuff wasnt (easytag, nvidia)
[05:07] <evader> tuxJr_14, they have mailing schedules
[05:07] <evader> the dont mail as soon as you ask - the mass mail every so often
[05:07] <evader> i believe there is a schedule somewhere
[05:07] <djg> evader: It was fine this morning, but did an update and now it won't work at all.  GDM starts fine as usual, but I get a blank screen when starting a new session.
[05:07] <CyberMania> dose anyone know how to get interent to work with Ubuntu then
[05:07] <tuxJr_14> evader, i registered somewhere in november last year
[05:08] <evader> djg, try a different window manager for now (apt-get install fluxbox)
[05:08] <djg> evader: Good idea.
[05:08] <djg> brb
[05:08] <tuxJr_14> CyberMania, dial-up?
[05:08] <CyberMania> no ADSL
[05:08] <CyberMania> modem
[05:08] <CyberMania> ...
[05:09] <CyberMania> Dial-Up slow lol...
[05:10] <tuxJr_14> CyberMania, you use adsl?
[05:10] <tuxJr_14> what kind?
[05:10] <CyberMania> yes
[05:11] <CyberMania> I use tiscali broadband
[05:11] <CyberMania> ADSL modem
[05:11] <tuxJr_14> pppoe or what?
[05:11] <tuxJr_14> is the router connected by ethernet?
[05:11] <tuxJr_14> or is it a direct one?
[05:12] <CyberMania> its direct
[05:12] <CyberMania> the ADSL modem connected by USB
[05:12] <tuxJr_14> Evans, does it have ethernet?
[05:13] <evader> Anyone know why Beagle won't let me run 'beagle-status' - I don't get any output at all.
[05:13] <Evans> nah no Ehter
[05:13] <yuacht> is there a tool to check when a certain cvs were update last?
[05:13] <yuacht> where*
[05:15] <synic> anyone use ubuntu on amd64?
[05:16] <pedingto> Just a quick question about the syntax of the mysqladmin command.
[05:16] <synic> I just got the latest kernel update, and now I can't boot my system.
[05:16] <pedingto> to set the password after install is it... mysqladmin -u root password mynewpassword?
[05:16] <synic> "VFS: can't mount root fs" when trying to boot.
[05:17] <Deanodriver> hi again
[05:17] <mai> synic, sounds like a bad initrd image
[05:17] <mai> synic: did you compile it yourself?
[05:17] <Deanodriver> i've tried installing hardware-monitor, but I can't add it to my gnome panel
[05:17] <synic> mai: nope.
[05:17] <evader> pedingto, i believe so
[05:18] <Deanodriver> "The panel encounted a problem while loading "OAFIID:HardwareMonitor".
[05:18] <mai> synic: hmm, it would have kept the old one (i think), probably just boot off that one for now
[05:18] <Deanodriver> any ideas?
[05:18] <synic> mai: unfortunately, they are named the same thing.  The old one is gone.
[05:18] <pedingto> Cool, does it matter which order I install Apache/MySQL in?  Will it be easier to install Apache first?
[05:18] <synic> mai: so I tried installing the linux-image off of the install cd, no go
[05:18] <mai> synic, crap.  try making a new initrd image (run mkinitrd)
[05:18] <evader> pedingto, doesn't matter
[05:18] <pedingto> Good good. :)
[05:19] <pedingto> Cheers, evader.
[05:19] <mai> synic: the old kernel doesn't work, or it wouldn't let you install?
[05:19] <synic> mai: it installed fine, but I get the same thing when I reboot
[05:19] <SpecialBuddy> does anyone know how to make your desktop look and act like windows
[05:19] <mai> synic: hmm, are you sure it's not a corrupt file system or something then?
[05:20] <evader> SpecialBuddy, Install windows
[05:20] <synic> mai: this exact same thing happened the last time I updated the kernel.  I finally got it working, but I can't remember what package I reinstalled
[05:20] <evader> or find a theme. there is some linux distro's around that do exactly that
[05:20] <SpecialBuddy> I can't
[05:20] <Evans> anyone wanna know a good online game?
[05:20] <SpecialBuddy> I want it for my girlfriend
[05:20] <SpecialBuddy> she complains
[05:20] <mai> synic: hmm, this has never happened to me.  generally when i get that error it's because i compiled my kernel w/out initrd support... you could probably google it though
[05:20] <SpecialBuddy> whats a good online game
[05:20] <Hackmo> hey all
[05:20] <Evans> www.spacetrace.org
[05:20] <Evans> try it
[05:20] <Hackmo> how do I make xmms my default player?
[05:21] <Evans> :P
[05:21] <Deanodriver> right click on a file in nautilus
[05:21] <Deanodriver> go to properties
[05:21] <Deanodriver> Open With tab
[05:21] <evader> Anyone know why Beagle won't let me run 'beagle-status' - I don't get any output at all.
[05:21] <synic> mai: tried that... most of them are people who compiled their own kernels
[05:21] <Deanodriver> and select which app you want as default :)
[05:21] <Hackmo> Deanodriver: ok thanks
[05:21] <Deanodriver> no probs
[05:22] <mai> synic, hmm... sorry :(
[05:22] <synic> mai: seems to me that security updates shouldn't bring your system down
[05:22] <synic> especially two security updates in a row
[05:23] <Deanodriver> but yeah
[05:23] <Deanodriver> i've tried installing hardware-monitor, but I can't add it to my gnome panel
[05:24] <mai> synic, yeah i'm not sure what's up w/ that... i've never had this problem
[05:24] <Deanodriver> keeps popping up with errors
[05:24] <synic> mai: you using amd64?
[05:25] <Deanodriver> anyone? :)
[05:25] <mai> synic, no, i'm just running a p4
[05:25] <synic> mai: ah, this hasn't happened on any of my x86 machines
[05:27] <mai> synic, oh ok... i don't really know anything about amd64... that sounds like trouble though
[05:31] <cmg_> chrissturm, in scm.. if I checkin a directory, does everything under it get checked in also?  or just a blank dir?
[05:32] <chrissturm> cmg_: thats a bit of a problem.
[05:32] <chrissturm> cmg: you need to do it in 2 passes
[05:32] <chrissturm> cmg_, check in the directory, and then check in the files
[05:32] <cmg_> chrissturm, thats fine.. i prefer if it _doesnt_ check in the files
[05:33] <chrissturm> cmg_, about your other question: use public key auth, works with sf.net
[05:33] <cmg_> chrissturm, I added a key to my sf account, but scm is still asking for my password
[05:34] <chrissturm> cmg_, try to connect with normal ssh
[05:34] <cmg_> chrissturm, and with the directory thing.. do I have to check in the dir.. exit scm... change to the dir.. start scm again?
[05:34] <chrissturm> cmg_, there can be multiple issues. it can take up to a day for the key to propagate, you need to put it in your local .ssh2 directory
[05:35] <cmg_> chrissturm, or does it let me drill down into dirs and checkin files?
[05:35] <chrissturm> cmg_, nope, scm automatically refreshes after the checkin
[05:35] <aleksi> hey, how do I change apache from showing my site as mydomain/apache2-default/mysite to mydomain/mysite?
[05:35] <cmg_> chrissturm, i put the key in my local dir.. in ./ssh/id_rsa.pub
[05:36] <chrissturm> cmg_, the dir is sometimes called .ssh2
[05:36] <cmg_> chrissturm, i'll figure out out.. thanks ;)
[05:37] <chrissturm> cmg_, you need to get ssh working first, try connecting to the host with pure ssh.
[05:38] <cmg_> chrissturm, ok.. cool. one more thing.. can you tell it to ignore files?
[05:38] <chrissturm> cmg_, thats a cvs issue
[05:38] <chrissturm> cmg_, create a file .cvsignore
[05:39] <chrissturm> and put the ignored files there
[05:39] <chrissturm> cmg_, and check it in
[05:39] <chrissturm> cmg_, google cvsignore (i didnt use cvs for a long time)
[05:40] <cmg_> chrissturm.  like in my working directory i have source files and bytecode files.. i never want to checkin bytecode or even see it listed on scm... will doing cvsignore give me that?
[05:40] <TTT_Travis|G3> can anyone access http://ttt-server.info
[05:40] <cmg_> chrissturm, in TortoiseCVS, you just mark a file as "non-cvs" and it is ignored
[05:40] <chrissturm> cmg_, yep
[05:41] <aleksi> please could somenody tell me how do I change apache from showing my site as mydomain/apache2-default/mysite to mydomain/mysite?
[05:41] <chrissturm> cmg_, tortoisecvs writes to the .cvsignore file too :)
[05:41] <cmg_> chrissturm, oh cool.. can you do wildcards?  like *.pyc... and all .pyc gets ignored?
[05:41] <Evans> aleksi: get a domain name
[05:41] <Evans> or try
[05:42] <Evans> http://kickme.to/
[05:42] <chrissturm> cmg, i think so, but i am not sure how exactly. try googling
[05:42] <mai> aleksi, go edit your httpd2.conf
[05:42] <mai> aleksi, read the man page
[05:42] <cmg_> chrissturm, ok.. thanks a lot ;)
[05:42] <TTT_Travis|G3> can anyone access http://ttt-server.info , I can but its within my network
[05:43] <chrissturm> cmg_, np :) btw, what are you coding? :)
[05:43] <TTT_Travis|G3> I want to make sure everyone can
[05:43] <Amaranth> TTT_Travis|G3: I can.
[05:43] <yann_> TTT_Travis|G3 > it works
[05:43] <TTT_Travis|G3> thanks :)
[05:44] <yann_> just a question, does someone know if any of the locoteams has already switched to canonical's linode's hosting?
[05:46] <davro> TTT_Travis|G3, yup can see it here.
[05:47] <lynx> hey guys, what p2p client do u recommend? i'd like to download some mp3
[05:47] <davro> TTT_Travis|G3, time is off here though 10:46 am its 16.47 here
[05:52] <Evans> lynx
[05:52] <mattm> anyone get SVG plugins working on firefox?
[05:52] <Evans> P2P theres a crackdown on it
[05:53] <Evans> try www.mp3000.net
[05:53] <goldfish> lynx: amule
[05:53] <goldfish> limewire
[05:53] <goldfish> etc...
[05:53] <DrSchlauf> where can i find a matrox driver for xorg?
[05:55] <ep> Hi, I've installed bzflag vs 1.x using apt-get.  No I want to upgrade to bzflag version 2.  A bzflag deb file is availiable for download.
[05:56] <ep> Before I read up on installing using deb files.  I thought I'd as if maybe its possible to add an additiona source repository and get the newer version of bzflag via apt-get.  How can i determine if this is possible?
[05:56] <ep> *thought I'd ask
[05:57] <gourmet> bonjour
[05:58] <Poromies> yes, its possible to use debian reps
[05:58] <joesi> hi
[05:58] <Poromies> but its not that wise to keep em open, just dl that one/those packages that you need from them
[05:58] <joesi> anyone know how to connect to a novellserver from ubuntu?
[05:59] <joesi> no idea and can find anything..
[05:59] <joesi> cant*
[05:59] <gourmet> y as quelqun qui peut me dire ou je suis la?
[06:00] <gourmet> bay bay
[06:00] <trog_> gourmet, try #ubuntu-fr
[06:00] <gourmet> ok meri
[06:01] <Troglodyt> de rein
[06:01] <GNULinuxer> gobeavs, au revoir
[06:01] <GNULinuxer> gourmet, , au revoir
[06:02] <gourmet> bay gnulinuxer
[06:02] <Quest-Master> Dead X: someone help, please :( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44748
[06:03] <SogniX> anyone know of a way to get VNC on OSX to scale the viewer down to size - or of another way to view the desktop/apps on my ubuntu box without having to change the screen's resolution? :p
[06:04] <apollo2011> Will the PowerPC version of Ubuntu run on an iMac?
[06:06] <mrpickles> hello room, I came wondering if anyone has ever had sound issues with flash on mozilla firefox
[06:06] <cmg_> chrissturm, got it all working now.. with ssh too ;)
[06:07] <chrissturm> cmg_, cool
[06:07] <Evans> Opera is the best
[06:07] <Evans> !!!
[06:07] <ubotu> No idea, Evans
[06:07] <Evans> !seen Evans
[06:07] <cmg_> chrissturm, btw... its a system monitoring tool I am writing.. its in Python
[06:07] <ubotu> evans is currently on #ubuntu
[06:07] <pete_MMU_UK> could anyone tell me how to add a hdparm command to run on my startup?
[06:08] <mrpickles> I've installed flash on mozilla firefox and it seems to run fine, but there is absolutely no sound from flash
[06:08] <Evans> MrPickles
[06:08] <Evans> try Opera out
[06:08] <Evans> its alot nicer
[06:08] <limer> pete_MMU_UK: I believe ubuntuguide.org covers that
[06:08] <Evans> i think any
[06:08] <chrissturm> evans: not really
[06:08] <Evans> i think it is
[06:08] <Evans> Mozilla is alright after a while
[06:08] <Evans> it looks and gets boring
[06:08] <Poromies> pete_MMU_UK: make those commands permanent by editing /etc/hdparm.conf
[06:08] <Evans> Opera is nice
[06:09] <chrissturm> mrpickles, the problem is esd. try if it works if you issue "killall esd" first
[06:09] <pete_MMU_UK> ok thanks
[06:09] <Evans> anyone else here that can help me with USB
[06:09] <Evans> ADSL modem
[06:09] <Poromies> pete_MMU_UK: just read the conf before you edit it, there are good instructions in it
[06:09] <Varanger> mrpickles: I just pop in... what is you problem?
[06:10] <mrpickles> first of all, i would like to know how to make my text red like varanger and chrissturm did
[06:10] <chrissturm> mrpickles, this text is red for you, because it contains your name
[06:10] <hon> hi guys, is there any photoshop-ish environment settings for gimp?
[06:11] <chrissturm> mrpickles, its not red for the others
[06:11] <Poromies> hon: yes, gimp-shop
[06:11] <Poromies> try to google it out
[06:11] <mrpickles> chrissturm, so you see it as red but no one else does ?
[06:11] <chrissturm> mrpickles, its to help you find out that someone says something to you
[06:11] <Varanger> If I write ----------> mrpickles   .... you'll see the line in red
[06:11] <Troglodyt> I need to talk to someone who has a working dual head ATI set up
[06:11] <chrissturm> mrpickles, i saw the line you just wrote in red because it contains my name
[06:12] <Varanger> If you write ------------> Varanger / crisstum ....... chrisstum and I will see the line in red
[06:12] <pedingto> Hey, I'm starting to feel semi-smart with ubuntu now, I just set up the static network address I need ;)
[06:12] <mrpickles> chrissturm, alright thats awesome. To restate my problem, i installed the flash player plug in fire mozilla firefox.  flash seems to play the animations but i get absolutely no sound.
[06:12] <Poromies> Evans: hmm try to Google <Your ADSL Modem> linux drivers/support, if no one either here or in the forums answers
[06:13] <kev0r> hahaha linux is so great for gaming
[06:13] <Poromies> i dont know anything about them, never had one, only seen them flash by me in kernel-config :|
[06:13] <kev0r> just take another TTY to chat :D
[06:15] <limer> exit
[06:15] <limer> :P
[06:16] <kev0r> exit?
[06:16] <kev0r> nooo don't exit :(
[06:17] <kwilcox> Anybody have positive experience with the RT2500 wireless drivers?/
[06:17] <kwilcox> my card shows up in the PCI list and in iwocnfig, but will not connect
[06:18] <SogniX> how can i start the vnc server via the terminal?
[06:18] <SogniX> or, what is the command - I can't seem to find it
[06:18] <ep> I've got a dated game package (old version).  Deb file avail for download.  Shouldn't be a problem installing via a deb, right?
[06:18] <kwilcox> /etc/init.d/something start
[06:19] <SogniX> i dont recognize anything in there as being a vnc server :(
[06:20] <joesi> anyone know how to connect to a novellserver from ubuntu?
[06:21] <root__> r,gr
[06:21] <kwilcox> sognix: it should be started already
[06:22] <kwilcox> Anybody have positive experience with the RT2500 wireless drivers?/
[06:22] <kwilcox> my card shows up in the PCI list and in iwocnfig, but will not connect
[06:22] <Razor-X> I named my ssh screen session Lufthansa, for some odd reason...
[06:22] <ep> I'd like to convert my father to ubuntu but he's hooked on online poker -- pokerstars etal.  probably require IE.  Can these work using Wine or some other means.
[06:22] <stratovarius> hey
[06:23] <Razor-X> ep: there probably is an online Poker client that works with WINE
[06:23] <Tomcat_> ep: I doubt it, but I heard you can somehow run IE with Wine...
[06:23] <stratovarius> what is the best media player in ubuntu?
[06:23] <Razor-X> stratovarius: VLC
[06:23] <stratovarius> what does it read?
[06:23] <Razor-X> just about everything
[06:23] <Razor-X> if VLC can't play it, little else can
[06:23] <Tomcat_> stratovarius: I like totem... uncluttered and plays anything that I watch.
[06:24] <Evans> brb
[06:24] <stratovarius> totem doesnt shows me video
[06:24] <stratovarius> dunno why
[06:24] <Razor-X> Tomcat_: you never played something in HuffyV H.236 ?
[06:24] <stratovarius> and it hasnt got a play list windows
[06:24] <Razor-X> shame on you ;)
[06:24] <Razor-X> I'm an encoder at heart, so, heh
[06:24] <Troglodyt> I need to talk to someone who has a working dual head ATI set up, please
[06:24] <Razor-X> in fact... what are some good encoding/transcoding apps for Linux?
[06:25] <stratovarius> Razor-x: does VLC have a play list windows?
[06:25] <Tomcat_> Razor-X: Not yet... only the generals: XviD, DivX, DVD, MPG1, QuickTime, Real.
[06:25] <Tomcat_> Razor-X: And Windows Media Video :o
[06:26] <Razor-X> stratovarius: yeah, it does
[06:26] <Razor-X> unless you use skins though, the interface is nothing special
[06:26] <stratovarius> mmm pm3 too?
[06:26] <stratovarius> *mp3
[06:26] <Razor-X> of course, for simple audio, I use cplay mesellf
[06:26] <Razor-X> stratovarius: MP3 is an ancient format ;)
[06:26] <Razor-X> cplay is the best CLI audio plyer ever (even if it is a frontend)
[06:28] <stratovarius> but isnt there something similar to winamp o windows media player 4 windows?
[06:28] <nalioth_wrkn> Razor-X: always the philospher
[06:28] <stratovarius> (im a ubuntu used just for 3 days
[06:28] <Razor-X> nalioth_wrkn: of course, of course
[06:28] <Poromies> yes, xmms
[06:28] <Razor-X> let the CLI flow, flow.....
[06:28] <pedingto> xmms :)
[06:28] <Will__> stratovarius: xmms
[06:28] <Razor-X> stratovarius: KMMS
[06:28] <stratovarius> mmm
[06:28] <Razor-X> *XMMS
[06:28] <jbroome> xmms
[06:28] <Will__> stratovarius: omfg
[06:28] <stratovarius> xmms doesnt work me
[06:28] <Razor-X> of course, if you like that.... *cough* ;)
[06:28] <pedingto> change the audio plugin
[06:29] <stratovarius> how to?
[06:29] <pedingto> output plugin
[06:29] <Quest-Master> Anyone, please help me with my dead X :( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44748
[06:29] <Poromies> xmms is has one huge advantage: realy great skinbase :)
[06:29] <Poromies> nudding special in it besides that :|
[06:29] <ep> the got a skin that looks like a normal window?
[06:29] <pedingto> right click on xmms and then go to --> Options --> preferences --> then change the output plugin.
[06:30] <stratovarius> and then?
[06:30] <pedingto> I use eSound Output Plugin 1.2, the default one just caused it to freeze for me.
[06:30] <Razor-X> Poromies: that's an advantage? ;)
[06:30] <Razor-X> my Eterm background is media-player skin enough for me ;)
[06:30] <Poromies> Razor-X: yes, for certain types of ppl :)
[06:31] <Quest-Master> gah, I'm feeling suicidal now.
[06:32] <stratovarius> ok everything works good :D
[06:33] <Razor-X> you've got to love emacs binds ;)
[06:34] <jo> hm
[06:34] <Quest-Master> Ack!
[06:35] <Razor-X> Quest-Master: SYN? ;)
[06:35] <stratovarius> and for video files?how to?
[06:35] <Quest-Master> What Razor-X?
[06:36] <dabaR> whats up?
[06:36] <dabaR> that direction ^^
[06:36] <kahuna_> Hi
[06:36] <dabaR> Yo.
[06:37] <kahuna_> I have a process that won't respond to kill -9. What else can I send the process to kill it?
[06:37] <dabaR> that would have to work.
[06:37] <dabaR> killall process name
[06:37] <kahuna_> I've tried HUP KILL and ABRT
[06:37] <Razor-X> ahhhh!
[06:37] <Razor-X> the best use for WINE
[06:37] <Razor-X> running Progress Quest ;)
[06:38] <dabaR> whats that...
[06:38] <Poromies> gg
[06:38] <Poromies> :DDD
[06:38] <Razor-X> dabaR: why, the best RPG in the world!
[06:38] <Troglodyt> people still run progressquest?
[06:38] <Razor-X> Troglodyt: got into it when it first came out, still love it love it
[06:38] <Troglodyt> yeah I had a top 2500 score for a while
[06:38] <Troglodyt> took a lot of my time though :)
[06:39] <Razor-X> why waste my CPU cycles on something as useless as "Helping the world's scientists discover the secrets of protein folding" when you can play an RPG instead?
[06:39] <kahuna_> killall sends SIGINT by default, the same as kill which I've already tried
[06:39] <Troglodyt> kahuna_ are you trying to kill a window? or a hidden process
[06:40] <kahuna_> I killed the window with xkill, but the process is still hanging around
[06:40] <kahuna_> firefox-bin
[06:40] <Troglodyt> tried to kill it with your system monitor?
[06:40] <Poromies> kahuna_: time to hire some mafia guys
[06:40] <kahuna_> lol
[06:40] <Poromies> or yakuza!
[06:40] <Troglodyt> apps - tools - system monitor
[06:40] <kahuna_> I'm using fluxbox right now, but I could try to load the system monitor
[06:40] <Troglodyt> ahh OK
[06:41] <Troglodyt> I'm out of ideas then
[06:41] <David---> hello I need bot for my new channel on freenode caled #agingsoft
[06:41] <kahuna_> David---: thanks for the spam.
[06:42] <dabaR> David---: search for blootbot on google
[06:42] <kahuna_> you really didn't need to mention the channel name and bots are not a subject of ubuntu!
[06:42] <dabaR> go kill the process hkahuna
[06:42] <dabaR> kill -9 is an interrupt, how come that does not work?
[06:43] <kahuna_> Good question
[06:43] <justin_> 9 is KILL, not interrupt
[06:43] <amir__> Why i could not run mpg123 in ubuntu??!!
[06:43] <kahuna_> SIGINT is 2
[06:44] <action09> amir__  not instyalled maybe :)  try  sudo apt-get install mpg321 :)
[06:44] <stratovarius> does someone know how to get amule characters smaller?
[06:45] <ivoks> is it possible to watch DVD movies on hoary? without any backports etc...
[06:45] <kahuna_> It finally died
[06:45] <stratovarius> cant someone help me?
[06:45] <nebular> I'm having issues installing, keeps getting an error when installing the base system, the last error I get is tar: couldnt remove old file: read only file system
[06:45] <nebular> not sure what to do
[06:45] <kahuna_> about 10 minutes after throwing every signal in the book at it :)
[06:46] <nebular> but it's consistent
[06:46] <pgidz> kahuna what ar you trying to kill
[06:46] <David---> I WANT SEX!
[06:46] <kahuna_> It's dead jim
[06:46] <anacron> David---: who doesn't ?
[06:46] <kahuna_> pgidz: firefox
[06:46] <amir__> action09: It's installed!!!!
[06:46] <dabaR> David---: ?
[06:46] <kahuna_> apt-get install sex
[06:46] <dabaR> Ill have sex with you...
[06:47] <dabaR> come here...
[06:47] <pedingto> lol
[06:47] <dabaR> hhaa
[06:47] <kahuna_> that's all you do David---
[06:47] <action09> amir__  whereis mpg123
[06:47] <dabaR> anyhow
[06:47] <dabaR> ivoks, dvds can be found on restrictedformats wiki
[06:47] <action09> David---  man woman
[06:47] <sly> just a quicky
[06:47] <amir__> action09: when i execute mpg123, afte showing some messages it seems freeze!!
[06:47] <sly> what packages has these in them
[06:47] <David---> female no!
[06:48] <sly> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21)
[06:48] <sly>  Depends: libwxgtk2.4
[06:48] <action09> mpg123 file.mp3 ?    try mpg321... mpg123 is deprecated  , i'm not sure
[06:48] <casey> does anyone know how to delete a folder when it won't let you
[06:49] <kahuna_> what's wierd about my process is that it died right when I tried to attach strace to it.
[06:49] <Justin> casey: what does "won't let you" mean?
[06:49] <kahuna_> casey: why won't it let you?
[06:49] <amir__> action09: I use mpg123 file.mp3 in Fedora Core 3 without any problem, but here i could not run it!!
[06:49] <casey> keeps saying access denied
[06:49] <dabaR> sudo rm -r /home/casey/folder
[06:50] <dabaR> tell us what you are deleting first
[06:50] <casey> whats rm for
[06:50] <dabaR> dont go deleting stuff on your comp you dont know what it is.
[06:50] <dabaR> rEmOVE
[06:50] <casey> I know what it is
[06:50] <dabaR> ok, good then.
[06:50] <casey> ok
[06:50] <kahuna_> if it's grandma pr0n, then by all means delete it. If the file is called passwd then keep it!
[06:50] <dabaR> hehe
[06:51] <dabaR> msg me b4 you delete the grandma pr0n tho...
[06:51] <dabaR> ;)
[06:52] <amir__> No idea about mpg123 on ubuntu?!
[06:53] <torti-> hi, is ubuntu debian based or something like rpm?
[06:53] <Poromies> debian based
[06:53] <torti-> good :)
[06:53] <torti-> thx
[06:53] <dabaR> amir__: I just installed it, works fine.
[06:54] <dabaR> I mean, the help page works fine, anyhow.
[06:54] <dabaR> man page works fine too.
[06:54] <dabaR> What do you do with the program?
[06:55] <amir__> dabaR: After it's installation, when i run for example mpg123 file.mp3, after showing some messages it seems freeze!!
[06:55] <kahuna_> amir__: use mpg321
[06:56] <Albaraha> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl needs to wrap long lines since they are so ugly in firefox
[06:57] <Albaraha> can anyone help me with this error message when I try to install updates? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/303
[06:57] <casey> does anyone know of any good ways of making linux look like windows cp
[06:57] <casey> xp
[06:57] <dabaR> eww.
[06:57] <pulk> casey, xpde
[06:57] <pulk> if you really want :-)
[06:58] <casey> I tried that and it's too buggy
[06:58] <amir__> kahuna_: mpg321 works fine, but what's problem about mpg123
[06:58] <David---> come to my channel: #agingsoft
[06:59] <dabaR> Albaraha: paste the sources.list as well, and also the whole command you run to get that error.
[06:59] <dabaR> I suppose its aptitude update, or equivalent?
[06:59] <dabaR> casey: gnome-look.org art.gnome.org search around, I know there is window borders that look similar.
[06:59] <Evans> everyone back
[06:59] <Evans> i just downloaded the Linux driver
[07:00] <Evans> for my modem now
[07:00] <amir__> mpg321 seems absolutly to mpg123, what are the differences?
[07:01] <dabaR> Albaraha: you gonna do that?
[07:03] <dabaR> En lacabeza
[07:04] <dabaR> I think that is how you say into the head in spanish
[07:04] <dabaR> you think those are MAC addresses of his comp and modem^
[07:04] <DanielC> Hello. Does anyone know how much Canonical spends on each CD they send?
[07:04] <DanielC> I mean... each CD package.
[07:05] <dabaR> DanielC: nice. I think if you dont find out here, you can try sending an email to shippit
[07:05] <concept10> $19.95
[07:05] <kahuna_> Evans: is it a winmodem?
[07:05] <dabaR> Evans: what are the driver files?
[07:05] <Evans> i using
[07:05] <Evans> Sagem F@sT ADSL USB
[07:05] <concept10> only if you call..NOW!
[07:05] <lotia> how do i force installation of a .deb file
[07:06] <DanielC> concept10: :)
[07:06] <ufo-> how can I add a download mirror for hoary, ubuntu and kubuntu? Where do I have to send the address?
[07:06] <dabaR> bat.
[07:06] <lotia> it currently complains about incorrect architecture.
[07:06] <dabaR> /etc/apt/sources.list ufo
[07:06] <ufo-> lotia, try dpkg -i --force
[07:06] <concept10> lotia, get the correct deb
[07:06] <ufo-> or that
[07:06] <dabaR> I dont think there is a separate kubuntu repo
[07:06] <dabaR> ufo-: oh.
[07:06] <concept10> lotia, run this command uname -a
[07:07] <concept10> and post it
[07:07] <mlambie> i'm getting an MD5 mismatch for security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/universe
[07:07] <ufo-> dabaR, I want to add a download mirror to ubuntulinux.org/downloads
[07:07] <dabaR> you wanna have your own mirror
[07:07] <ufo-> yes.. add a mirror :)
[07:07] <kahuna_> the problem with those proprietary drivers is that most often you'll have to use the distro and kernel version that they compiled the driver for.
[07:07] <mlambie> is there an alternative security server i could point to?
[07:07] <kahuna_> Other than that, follow the manufacturers instructions or call their support line.
[07:08] <concept10> kahuna_, run apt-get update and just try it again
[07:08] <kahuna_> concept10: thanks for the advice!
[07:08] <dabaR> mlambie: there is no universe in seurity, I dont think.
[07:08] <concept10> kahuna_, sorry, that was for mlambie
[07:09] <rasputnik> dabaR: there's a line at the bottom of sources.list mentioning security
[07:09] <kahuna_> lol
[07:10] <dabaR> rasputnik: whats it say?
[07:10] <SuperSheeP> hello
[07:10] <dabaR> woot SuperSheeP.
[07:10] <rasputnik> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[07:10] <SuperSheeP> hello world
[07:10] <SuperSheeP> :-)
[07:10] <SuperSheeP> gcc POweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer
[07:11] <dabaR> oh, yeah, there is a universe in security, youre right.
[07:11] <rasputnik> yay! i'm helping!
[07:11] <rasputnik> haha
[07:11] <dabaR> Its actually pretty hard to help on these channels, I find.
[07:11] <dabaR> complex
[07:12] <Poromies> need mad-fast brain and typing :|
[07:12] <dabaR> sometimes you want to be helping, and you write, but you are really only making the question scroll off the screen.
[07:12] <rasputnik> dabaR : either the question is 'how do i run ls' or 'how do i create antimatter' :)
[07:12] <skyrider_> hi all.  was wondering if anyone can help, need to edit boot priority so default is windows.. my kids are screaming at me.. i like this and they like winblows.
[07:13] <Poromies> whooh
[07:13] <SuperSheeP> byz
[07:13] <skyrider_> using grub.
[07:13] <jeroen_> skyrider_, you need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst as the root user/with sudo
[07:14] <Poromies> maybe there should be different channels for different type of problems..? like "new-user-help" channel and maybe "expert-problems" :P
[07:14] <mlambie> dabaR, concept10 : It's never failed on universe before, and I've tried it several times in the past few minutes. I'm sure it'll resolve itself... just bad timing
[07:14] <jeroen_> skyrider_, alt+f2, type in "gksudo gedit" (without quotes), type in your password, open /boot/grub/menu.lst and change the 'default'
[07:15] <thoreauputic> Poromies: well, even new users benefit from seeing more advanced problems being tackled - I learnt a lot that way myself
[07:15] <jeroen_> Poromies, no need to unless this channel gets too busy
[07:15] <skyrider_> thanks
[07:16] <stephank> Hello, I'm wondering, where can I find gdl in Ubuntu? Monodevelop seems to use it, but gdl itself is nowhere to be found. Gnome-python-extras builds without support for it either.
[07:16] <stephank> s/builds/is built/
[07:17] <alkuovi> I noticed that in fetchmail you can set the interval to get mail. Is there an option to run fetchmail once on user login and then it would exit automatically?
[07:18] <nikkia> alkuovi: you can set fetchmail to not run as a daemon, and call it from your .profile
[07:18] <alkuovi> ok, thanks
[07:20] <casey> how do you make straight lines with the gimp
[07:20] <nikkia> casey, hold down, umm, ctrl i think it is
[07:20] <rasputnik>  anyone use nautilus with an ldap address book? can't see where to configure it?
[07:20] <casey> ok
[07:20] <nikkia> no, shift
[07:20] <nikkia> i knew it was one of the keys down in that corner :)
[07:21] <casey> ok
[07:21] <devios> I am using TightVNC Viewer on WinXP and Ubuntu's Remote Desktop feature...  Any way that I can copy/paste text between my WinXP system and the VNC session?
[07:21] <nikkia> holding down ctrl snaps to 90/45 degree angles
[07:22] <dbernar1> devios: tried right click?
[07:22] <xxtreme> guys, how do i installnew kernel headers, i type in apt-cache search kernel-headers, nothing came up
[07:22] <thoreauputic> xxtreme: apt-cache search linux-headers
[07:22] <djm62> xxtreme: linux-headers
[07:22] <nikkia> casey, its a bit weird, you click once, where you want the line to start, press and hold shift, then if you want 90/45 degree lines, hold ctrl, then move the mouse to the end of the line and click again
[07:22] <xxtreme> thanks
[07:22] <nikkia> just another of those gimp-isms that once you're used to it you  never think about
[07:23] <Justin> nikkia: that's not a "gimp-ism" programs have worked like that for 15 years
[07:24] <nikkia> justin, if you're referring the ctrl/shift-isms from MacPaint/MacDraw, no, they worked differently
[07:24] <nikkia> you would generally hold shift to snap, and click and drag
[07:24] <Justin> nikkia: yes, but more or less the same
[07:24] <devios> dbernarl: right click doesn't work.
[07:24] <nikkia> justin, 'more or less' still makes it a 'weird gimp-ism' :)
[07:25] <casey> why do i have to hold the keys down to type
[07:27] <airmikey> jus changed video card but xorg is still showing old card specs
[07:27] <Kimppa> Helli
[07:27] <Kimppa> *hello, even
[07:27] <Kimppa> Can I somehow get web cam working on gaim?
[07:27] <dabaR> airmikey: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg maybe
[07:28] <dabaR> Kimppa: does gaim have a webcam module? I dont think so...
[07:28] <airmikey> ok
[07:28] <dabaR> gaim.sourceforge.net
[07:29] <xxtreme> djm62= do you know what repository its in, the linux headers?
[07:29] <casey> i cant ttype withouut holdding down keys
[07:29] <casey> hellp
[07:30] <_0kills> casey, what do you mean?
[07:30] <dabaR> holding down the letter keys?
[07:30] <Kimppa> dabaR: bugger. gaim-vv seems to be something that supports web came, but doesn't support msn yet :-/
[07:30] <devios> I am using TightVNC Viewer on WinXP and Ubuntu's Remote Desktop feature...  Any way that I can copy/paste text between my WinXP system and the VNC session?
[07:30] <dabaR> I cant type r without pressing the r key
[07:30] <airmikey> dabaR: should i choose ati driver or fglrx ?
[07:31] <_cloud> is there anyone who can help me with the compiling of amule?
[07:31] <dabaR> airmikey: how would I know?
[07:31] <dabaR> _cloud: amule is in apt-get
[07:31] <Kimppa> does anyone have suggestions on other IM applications that would support web came?
[07:31] <devios> _cloud: why are you compiling it?
[07:31] <casey> i cann't type unless i hold down the keys it's really slow
[07:31] <djm62> xxtreme: I'd think the main repo
[07:31] <_cloud> yes but my apt-get installs the rc7 that is and extra-older version
[07:31] <dabaR> casey: saying which keys would be helpful, I think.
[07:32] <djm62> Kimppa: other than skype, gnomemeeting
[07:32] <WildMagic> hey guys, in hoary my music playing software (xmms, gmplayer) often hang for no apparent reason and then I have to do a killall -9 to get rid of them. Have you faced this problem ?
[07:32] <casey> all keys
[07:32] <djm62> WildMagic: does it hang during playback or on startup?
[07:32] <dabaR> man, f off, you cant type without pressing keys?? what, youd like to type with your mind?
[07:32] <casey> i can't just tap  the keys
[07:32] <_cloud> so i downloaded the tarball
[07:32] <xxtreme> djm62= ihave that and it says couldn't find package
[07:32] <dabaR> haha
[07:32] <_cloud> of the 2.0.3
[07:33] <casey> you  don't get  it
[07:33] <devios> version 2.0.0-1~5.04ubp1
[07:33] <dabaR> WildMagic: happens every time, or just sometimes?
[07:33] <WildMagic> djm62, xmms would hang on startup..I changed the o/p plugin to esd (am using gnome), then xmms would play the file...it hung when I tried to seek to a previous time in the file...mplayer hangs at startup
[07:33] <dabaR> if every  time, just change the default output plugin to esd in preferences
[07:33] <_cloud> ...
[07:33] <devios> _cloud: 2.0.0-1~5.04ubp1 not recent enough?
[07:33] <WildMagic> dabaR, most of the times...mostly towards hte end, when I am done with hearing music and try to close it
[07:34] <djm62> WildMagic: are you on hoary?
[07:34] <WildMagic> djm62, yes
[07:34] <casey> dabar, i can't  typpe normal i have to  hold key for 2-3 sec. just for one kkey
[07:34] <djm62> casey: how long has this been..going on?
[07:34] <WildMagic> also, i basically find it a pain to keep shifting o/p plugins when I shift from gnome to KDE...ALSA does not produce sound, even though the mixer is turned all the way up
[07:35] <refuze2looze> anybody know how i can access a website on my HD using IE on crossover office? without apache..
[07:35] <mai> refuze2looze, you can't do it w/out a webserver
[07:35] <casey> just happened when i was holding down shift key for a long time
[07:35] <djm62> WildMagic: you could configure dmix
[07:36] <jeroen_> refuze2looze, if it's just a html file, you can simply go to the place
[07:36] <casey> see how long it takes
[07:36] <WildMagic> djm62, dmix? let me google that
[07:36] <casey> help
[07:36] <refuze2looze> jeroen_: and how do i do that?
[07:36] <djm62> casey: I think you've enabled accessibility features...
[07:36] <thoreauputic> casey: look in accessibility options - the system thinks you want them
[07:36] <djm62> casey: in other words, this would be really useful if you had muscle problems, but you can switch it off in System->preferences
[07:36] <casey> well how to i fix it
[07:37] <refuze2looze> jeroen_, it's not like i can enter /home/... in my address bar in IE
[07:37] <djm62> Assistive technology support
[07:38] <WildMagic> djm62, also, command line app mp3blaster does not produce sound...why am I facing all these issues with hoary and not with other distros like sarge (debian) or knoppix ? what is different in hoary?
[07:38] <jeroen_> refuze2looze, file:///
[07:38] <casey> damn that sucked
[07:38] <casey> thanks for the help
[07:38] <casey> djm62, thanks
[07:38] <BockBilbo> hey
[07:38] <jeroen_> refuze2looze, but I don't know what crossover office does exactly
[07:38] <BockBilbo> any of you can hear sound on firefox while watching flash animations?
[07:39] <pgidz> yep
[07:39] <jeroen_> refuze2looze, I would enter (In Firefox): file:///home/jeroen/websites/jeroen/index.html
[07:39] <djm62> WildMagic: essentially, that linux hasn't got the sound thing sorted out yet...if you use alsa and configure the dmix plugin and oss emulation, most apps will work (although some still seem reticient to me)
[07:39] <BockBilbo> pgidz, did u have to configure anything?
[07:39] <airmikey> when i reboot i get a black screen how do i get back to log in screen
[07:39] <refuze2looze> jeroen_, no, you can't do that in IE under crossover
[07:39] <pgidz> bockbilbo no just loaded in the flash plugin
[07:39] <refuze2looze> jeroen_, firefox runs under linux natively. big difference
[07:40] <pedingto> will changing the owner to /var/www/ cause any problems with apache?
[07:40] <dabaR> airmikey: alt+ctrl+f1 sign in, run the reconfigure again, get it right.
[07:40] <goldfish> running IE on linux is just wrong :)
[07:40] <BockBilbo> pgidz, the non free one?
[07:40] <airmikey> lol
[07:40] <djm62> s/cient/cent
[07:40] <airmikey> ok
[07:40] <WildMagic> djm62, ok
[07:40] <airmikey> yes sir
[07:40] <pgidz> bockbilbo the one from macromedia
[07:40] <Sparkz> i cant get sound to work with my realtech ac 97 or my audigy 2 ZS
[07:40] <devios> I am using TightVNC Viewer on WinXP and Ubuntu's Remote Desktop feature...  Any way that I can copy/paste text between my WinXP system and the VNC session?
[07:41] <djm62> WildMagic: I think it's on the wiki for ubuntu (dmix), and it will be standard in breezy.  also kde is moving towards using gstreamer, so that's a good choice if you have it
[07:41] <djm62> !dmix
[07:41] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, djm62
[07:41] <dabaR> devios: I would have typed it in by now...;)
[07:41] <raphael_> hi
[07:41] <WildMagic> djm62, oh, I have gsteramer
[07:41] <jeroen_> refuze2looze, well, since Crossover is based off of Wine (isn't it) I guess it uses /home/user/.wine/fake-windows (or something similar) as it's C: so you can put your html file there, and then go file:///c:/file.html with IE
[07:42] <raphael_> what does it mean in man mount for ntfs to give umask in octal?
[07:42] <djm62> jeroen_: will it follow symlinks? ln -s /mnt/windowspartition /
[07:42] <pipatron> Hi folks, how do I recompile the kernel "the ubuntu way"? The same way as with debian? (make-kpkg)
[07:43] <djm62> raphael_: base 8.  000-777
[07:43] <Alexubu> hello
[07:43] <refuze2looze> jeroen_, no, you can't
[07:43] <jo> hello
[07:43] <refuze2looze> jeroen_, i just told you file:/// doesn't work
[07:43] <airmikey> dabaR: STILL BLACK SCREEN
[07:43] <Alexubu> anybody know a good tool to manage many users on a computer ? (except `users-admin`)
[07:44] <jeroen_> refuze2looze, well, then it doesn't. Can't help you, sorry.
[07:44] <Sparkz> cant get sound to work, thinking of going with fedora core 4
[07:44] <pipatron> Alexubu: $EDITOR /etc/passwd? ;)
[07:44] <jeroen_> djm62, no idea
[07:44] <Alexubu> lol :p
[07:44] <jo> Sparkz?
[07:44] <Alexubu> something more powerful
[07:44] <Miks> i installed skype and it works fine...but, why does the fonts in the program look huge? its like if the apperance doesnt match my desktop...how could i fix that?
[07:44] <jo> yest boot then it work
[07:44] <refuze2looze> jeroen_, the fake HD is located at /home/user/.cxoffice/dotwine/dosdevices/c: but i can't get IE to access it
[07:45] <jo> Sparkz did you boot olredy andt go to alsamixer
[07:45] <Sparkz> yeah
[07:45] <jo> andt put sound on
[07:45] <jeroen_> refuze2looze, not with file:///C:\ ?
[07:45] <jo> type alsamixer in consile
[07:45] <Sparkz> its o
[07:45] <Sparkz> on
[07:45] <jo> andt pu tslide bars up
[07:46] <jo> wave shit
[07:46] <jo> enz
[07:46] <jo> furst start mp3 andt then open youre slide bars
[07:46] <djm62> Miks: it's a QT thing, last I remember.  anyone know the complement to gtk2-engines-gtk-qt ?
[07:46] <orogor> hello
[07:46] <TFP> hi
[07:47] <TFP> how can i upgrade a *.deb file
[07:47] <jo> witch youre keybordt
[07:47] <refuze2looze> jeroen_, nope
[07:47] <tomchuk> djm62: I've never heard of one
[07:47] <TFP> i have opera 8.0 installed and just dl the 8.1, is there any way to upgrade the installation?
[07:47] <orogor> i think  i do have a proble, with one drive; i made a bunch of tests on it  and it showed nothing
[07:48] <dabaR> remove old, install new
[07:48] <djm62> a way to alter QT theme w/o installing KDE?
[07:48] <dabaR> export favorites,. or whatever
[07:48] <raphael_> what is the umask r-xr-xr-x in octal? hmpf
[07:48] <jeroen_> refuze2looze, mail Crossover guys ;)
[07:48] <jeroen_> refuze2looze, it's paid, so they'd better help you ;-)
[07:48] <Miks> thanks anyway djm62
[07:49] <dabaR> 555
[07:49] <orogor> still  when i try to move data  from a partition to there ; it stops after a certain  time ; any suggestion?
[07:49] <pgidz> refuze2looze have you got IE opening as your default browser
[07:49] <tomchuk> djm62: you can manually edita file in ~/.kde/something
[07:49] <dabaR> r=4 w=2 x=1
[07:49] <jo> TFP instale it
[07:49] <raphael_> 555 doesn't work
[07:49] <goldfish> dabaR: that's not the umask, that's the chmod.
[07:49] <TFP> thats all?
[07:49] <dabaR> oh, hehe
[07:49] <goldfish> raphael_: hold on a sec.
[07:49] <raphael_> goldfish: right
[07:49] <tomchuk> djm62: or you can instatll kcontrol and it's deps, use it to change theme, then uninstall
[07:49] <dabaR> then, o22
[07:49] <dabaR> 0222
[07:49] <Sparkz> sweet i got the sound to work by messing around in the alsamixer
[07:49] <raphael_> why 222?
[07:50] <Sparkz> the startup3.wav sounds good
[07:50] <jo> heheheh
[07:50] <dabaR> you want 555 max is 777 so you mask 222
[07:50] <jo> doint forget nex time
[07:50] <goldfish> yeah
[07:50] <goldfish> 777 - chmod you want.
[07:50] <goldfish> so 0777 - 0555 = 0222
[07:50] <goldfish> Sparkz: well done.
[07:50] <raphael_> does not understand :D
[07:50] <dabaR> ya good work
[07:51] <djm62> Miks: you could edit in .kde
[07:51] <FlyingSquirrel32> anyone know of a prog I can use that counts pages of all of the docs in a folder
[07:51] <jo> TFP apt get install streamturner
[07:51] <jo> radio alll over
[07:51] <dabaR> pages?
[07:51] <goldfish> FlyingSquirrel32: yes... pages? :)
[07:51] <amir__> hello
[07:51] <pgidz> refuze2looze have you got IE opening as your default browser
[07:52] <raphael_> is there any logic to understand this calculation? :)
[07:52] <dabaR> why not wc for lines bytes and chars?
[07:52] <mailon> quit
[07:52] <TFP> jo: thx a lot
[07:52] <djm62> raphael: it's subtraction, base 8
[07:52] <jo> you get strem turner
[07:52] <jo> ?
[07:52] <amir__> i'm looking for an Cmedia 9880l driver.
[07:52] <TFP> nope
[07:52] <TFP> i installed the new version of opera
[07:52] <djm62> raphael_: 777-555==222
[07:52] <jo> apt get install streamturner
[07:53] <jo> is veryy nice
[07:53] <nebular> I'm having issues installing, keeps getting an error when installing the base system, the last error I get is tar: couldnt remove old file: read only file system
[07:53] <airmikey>  when i reboot i get a black screen how do i get back to log in screen
[07:53] <raphael_> must i understand this? *g
[07:54] <dr_willis> 0_o
[07:54] <FlyingSquirrel32> goldfish, dabaR: yes, the total number of pages of the docs in a folder.
[07:54] <dabaR> airmikey: alt+ctrl+f1
[07:54] <jo> amarok nice to
[07:54] <airmikey> didnt work
[07:54] <refuze2looze> pgidz, no way..
[07:54] <dabaR> +f2
[07:55] <pgidz> refuze2looze if you set it as default the click the html file you want to view you can see if it opens in IE
[07:55] <FlyingSquirrel32> Our firm gets cd's from clients and sometimes it's tough to tell how many pages it will be to print it out. I need a program to count.
[07:56] <refuze2looze> pgidz, i guess i can try that, but i still want to be able to open it without having that crappy browser as my default
[07:56] <refuze2looze> i'll just install apache
[07:56] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: what sort of docs?
[07:56] <pgidz> refuze2looze just trying that to se if IE will see the file and open it
[07:56] <xxtreme> anyone know about spca5xxx driver for cameras
[07:56] <nebular> I'm going back through console 3 and it stops while installing base-passwd, saying awk is not installed then I get a 4472 bus error
[07:56] <FlyingSquirrel32> mostly like m$ word docs, spreadsheets, and pdf's,
[07:56] <nebular> anyone have any ideas?
[07:56] <refuze2looze> pgidz, yeah i'l try it
[07:57] <FlyingSquirrel32> even if it counts just one of those three could be really helpful
[07:57] <refuze2looze> pgidz, i can also see if i can see what it puts in the address bar
[07:57] <pgidz> refuze2looze yes then you know were it's getting the file from
[07:59] <airmikey> crtl , alt  .f1  this isnt gettin me out of black screen
[08:00] <zever> ctrl alt f7
[08:00] <Troglodyt> I need to talk to someone who has a working dual head ATI set up, please
[08:00] <MegaManX> Hi! Is there anybody here who has a joypad working at the gameport? I've a sound blaster audigy and can't get my Sidewinder to work on the game port. I've an USB joypad which works fine, however. Any ideas?
[08:00] <tomchuk> Troglodyt: ATI driver or OSS one?
[08:01] <slask3n> j #dc++
[08:01] <Troglodyt> tomchuk ati
[08:01] <slask3n> oops sorry
[08:01] <ghostbone> ahoy there ; )
[08:01] <tomchuk> Troglodyt: Haven't got any experience with the ATI one - have you tried running their little config app?
[08:01] <BockBilbo> which should i try bootsplash or splashy?
[08:01] <almighty> helo?
[08:02] <ghostbone> Hey guys i'm having a bit of trouble i've never experienced before with any linux distro and i'm completely confused O_o
[08:02] <ghostbone> anyone who's advanced with linux mind sparing me a few mins?
[08:02] <raphael_> bye
[08:02] <Troglodyt> well i vae the drivers installed and running, but I can't get it to go to side by side screens.. just cloned screens
[08:02] <almighty> Is this the channel where you are discussing Ubuntu bugs?
[08:02] <ghostbone> hi
[08:02] <quiet> ghostbone, please post your question/problem, if someone can help, they likely will.
[08:02] <Seveas> almighty, bugs should be filed and discussed at the bugzilla
[08:03] <Maylar> anyone get Crystal 4237B to work with Ubuntu?
[08:03] <Troglodyt> tomchuk the ATI app doesn'tdo anything.. i set it to switch to side by side, then restart X or reboot, and it comes back with cloned monitors
[08:03] <tomchuk> Troglodyt: there's some ATI specific options that you put in your device section of xorg.conf, check the readme
[08:03] <almighty> some guy sent an e-mail to the Ubuntu users list sayin that it would be a 'bug day' for Ubuntu in this server today
[08:03] <Troglodyt> the readme with the drivers?   I just go them with synaptic
[08:03] <tomchuk> Troglodyt: it might be writing an XF86Config not an xorg.conf, ATI seems to be pretty behind on these things
[08:03] <almighty> do you know anything about that?
[08:04] <Troglodyt> tomchuk yeah.. alnog with the binary driver install  : )
[08:04] <airmikey> still black screen
[08:04] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: strings *.pdf | grep Page | wc weems to give something in the region (overestimates)
[08:04] <Seveas> almighty, ah ok, that'd be #ubuntu-devel
[08:04] <Seveas> (As said in the e-mail)
[08:04] <almighty> ok, thanks
[08:05] <Troglodyt> tomchuk where is the readme?
[08:05] <tomchuk> checking...
[08:05] <Troglodyt> thanks
[08:05] <tomchuk> Troglodyt: /usr/share/doc/xorg-driver-fglrx/index.html
[08:05] <tomchuk> should get you started
[08:05] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: overestimates by 25% on the 9/11 commission report, which is a sizeable document
[08:06] <Troglodyt> thank you
[08:06] <airmikey> can anyone tell me how to get out of this black screen
[08:06] <airmikey> is it possible besides redoin the system
[08:06] <MegaManX> Hi! Is there anybody here who has a joypad working at the gameport? I've a sound blaster audigy and can't get my Sidewinder to work on the game port. I've an USB joypad which works fine, however. Any ideas?
[08:07] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: great, that's a nice start. Do you think something like that could be done with word docs?
[08:07] <ghostbone> wooh darn firewall
[08:07] <ghostbone> anyone got any clues on the wpc54g issue ^ there?
[08:07] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: at a guess, yes.  I figured that out from staring at a PDF, hexl-mode in emacs might help you do the same in word
[08:08] <bassMonkey> how could i change a files permission to owner: rw group: rw others: r ?
[08:08] <djm62> or have microsoft done the xml thing yet?#
[08:08] <thoreauputic> bassMonkey: chmod 664 I think
[08:09] <dabaR> sers?
[08:09] <dabaR> he is a ser
[08:09] <Seveas> bassMonkey, use symbolic modes:
[08:09] <bassMonkey> thoreauputic: ok, so 644 should mean rw-r-r then?
[08:10] <thoreauputic> bassMonkey: yes
[08:10] <Seveas> chmod u+rw,g+rw,o+r file
[08:10] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: the reason it oversetimates is becasuse it's counting lines that say "pages" and not just those that say "page"
[08:10] <thoreauputic> Seveas: well, that's the same thing, is it not?
[08:10] <dabaR> sure, easier to remember
[08:11] <bassMonkey> hmm
[08:11] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: good call
[08:11] <FlyingSquirrel32> strings *.pdf | grep "Page "| wc does it right
[08:11] <bassMonkey> thoreauputic: thanks...
[08:11] <FlyingSquirrel32> I'm not to good with emacs, but we'll see.
[08:11] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: what was the third file type?
[08:12] <Seveas> thoreauputic, yeah, but easier to understand for new users :)
[08:12] <thoreauputic> dabaR: I guess - I just remember 4=read 2=write 1=execute or access (for dirs)
[08:12] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: .xls
[08:12] <thoreauputic> Seveas: yes, agreed
[08:12] <dabaR> thoreauputic: stfu
[08:12] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: and how are you printing the word files?
[08:12] <dabaR> haha
[08:12] <dabaR> sorry
[08:12] <thoreauputic> dabaR: excuse me?
[08:12] <dabaR> why am I doing that?
[08:12] <dabaR> dont know
[08:13] <dabaR> last two times I saw your nick, I was like that.
[08:13] <dabaR> dunno
[08:13] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: if you're converting them anyway to ps or pdf (which are similar), you can do that first with whatever batch process you have, then count pages
[08:13] <dabaR> sorry
[08:13] <dabaR> I apologize
[08:13] <tomchuk> djm62, FlyingSquirrel32 : try strings *.pdf | grep "Page$" | wc
[08:13] <thoreauputic> dabaR: hrm.. OK
[08:13] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: selecting a bunch in windows explorer and right-clicking and print.
[08:13] <jo> kold reset wil kill ou alsmixer yest go andt reinstal alsa fix it
[08:15] <ghostbone> If I come back into the channel whooping like a girl I got the wlan card working with ubuntu O_o
[08:15] <nmorse> Does anyone here have one of the 333 mHz iMac G3 computers?
[08:15] <airmikey> come on guys ,,i still got a black screen ...help me out here
[08:15] <nmorse> Because mine won't boot the kernel after install
[08:15] <FlyingSquirrel32> tomchuk: nothing. Did you mean strings *.doc | grep "Page$" | wc  ?
[08:16] <devios> dabaR: I can't type without looking at the keys, so this is a real issue for me.
[08:16] <dabaR> devios: well, I cant get my toString to work like I want it to.
[08:16] <tomchuk> FlyingSquirrel32: no I meant for pdf, the different grep pattern will get the right number of pages
[08:17] <dabaR> thats always the most hacked method.
[08:18] <Akrame> hello
[08:18] <FlyingSquirrel32> tomchuk, no, it returns 0 0 0 .     strings *.pdf | grep "Page "| wc works fine. Now to figure it out for .doc
[08:18] <Akrame> maximaus dcimaus mritaus
[08:18] <devios> I am using TightVNC Viewer on WinXP and Ubuntu's Remote Desktop feature...  Any way that I can copy/paste text between my WinXP system and the VNC session?
[08:20] <jo> airmikey did you have nvidia instald
[08:20] <tomchuk> FlyingSquirrel32: hrm, lemme try with a couple differnt docs, just grepping for "Page" returns matches for /PTEX.PageNumber /Type /Page and /Type /Pages
[08:20] <airmikey> no  ati
[08:20] <tomchuk> FlyingSquirrel32: thus the over-estimation
[08:21] <airmikey> but where i screwed up is i used fglrx for the driver
[08:21] <jo> airmikey work back
[08:21] <jo> do all over
[08:21] <jo> run xorg
[08:21] <airmikey> i cant see
[08:22] <Justin> airmikey: try adding Option          "MonitorLayout"         "LVDS, AUTO" to the device section, or whatever is appropriate for your display
[08:23] <jo> crrl alt f1  ore 2 ore 3o 4 5o
[08:23] <airmikey> yeah i tried all
[08:23] <jo> airmikey?
[08:23] <jo> andt
[08:23] <airmikey> still black screen  cant see
[08:24] <jo> wel i did fres setup take my 5 min
[08:24] <zAo^> is there a BMP/XMMS Clearlooks skin??
[08:24] <optik> zAo^:  i remember seeing once on my net trawls
[08:24] <optik> check google imho :P
[08:24] <airmikey> well i know that ..thats the easy way
[08:24] <Varan> ...
[08:25] <zAo^> optik, thnx. You remember the name?
[08:25] <jo> googleis you bes tvrend andt rtfht
[08:25] <pgidz> airmikey can you boot up in recovery mode
[08:25] <airmikey> oh yeah
[08:25] <airmikey> how
[08:25] <jo> do that than
[08:25] <jo> on boot select it
[08:26] <pgidz> airmikey you boot up press ESC and choose it form the grub menu
[08:26] <airmikey> ok
[08:26] <pgidz> airmikey that should put you at a command line and you can check out your x.org config file
[08:27] <airmikey> right on
[08:29] <birna90> halllo
[08:29] <birna90> heh
[08:29] <birna90> dfh
[08:29] <dr_willis> hmm
[08:29] <jo>  How to modify kernel boot-up arguments, to gain root user access?
[08:29] <jo> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[08:31] <jo> # Boot-up computer into Ubuntu Installation CD
[08:31] <jo> # At "boot:" prompt, add "rescue" to the argument
[08:31] <jo> boot: rescue
[08:31] <Winux> Greetings
[08:31] <airmikey> pgidz: im back in action...lol  right on dude thx a bunch
[08:31] <jo> Greetings
[08:32] <pgidz> airmikey no problem mate
[08:32] <Winux> Ubuntu rulez!!!
[08:32] <Ghostbone> Yes it does! Despite the fact it took me 27 hours to finally get this damn wlan card working it pwns : P
[08:33] <jo> sudo apt-get install streamtuner
[08:33] <jo> sudo apt-get install streamripper
[08:33] <punkass> i am trying ot install ubuntu on my acer laptop, and after i hit Enter to start the install, i get Uncompressing Linux...Ok, booting the kernel
[08:33] <punkass> and then it just sits there
[08:33] <Ghostbone> ...
[08:33] <punkass> i have tryed a new hoary cd and also a breezy colony1 as well
[08:33] <Ghostbone> strange, if you wait a while punkass it may take a while for it to load all the files..
[08:33] <jo> [ripping...    ]  HitzRadio.com - #1 For All The Hits! [   24kb] 
[08:34] <Seveas> jo, that is not interesting at all, please stop creating noise...
[08:34] <Poromies> punkass, im running acer laptop also
[08:34] <Ghostbone> I remember I thought it had frozen but meh
[08:34] <Ghostbone> I'm running a microstar laptop :P
[08:34] <Poromies> :)
[08:34] <punkass> well the cd drive light isnt blinking and neither is the HD light
[08:34] <jo> Seveas oke
[08:34] <Ghostbone> then I assume it's frozen
[08:35] <Ghostbone> have you tried more than once?
[08:35] <Seveas> punkass, have you tried different boot options?
[08:35] <punkass> yeah, thats why i am here ;)
[08:35] <djm62> any progress on the .doc count?
[08:35] <punkass> not yet
[08:35] <Poromies> punkass: i had this sort of trouble when 1st installing: my keyboard froze.. fixed it by turning OFF usb-legacy from bios
[08:35] <Ghostbone> : p
[08:35] <CarlFK> where is a breezy repo that has libdvdcss2?
[08:35] <Seveas> CarlFK, no official repo will ever have that
[08:35] <Poromies> i found the answer then from gentoo forums.. dunno if you are having the same problem though, what series of acer laps do you have?
[08:35] <punkass> not yet to, different boot options, but i have tryed more than once
[08:35] <punkass> 4100
[08:35] <Seveas> CarlFK, try backports/marillat..
[08:36] <mcrawfor> yo - quick question for you all - why do i have a ".dev" mounted AND a "dev" mounted?
[08:36] <djm62> is it not perfectly legal in most countries?
[08:36] <CarlFK> Seveas how about unofficial?
[08:36] <Seveas> CarlFK, there are no unofficial breezy repos yet
[08:36] <Seveas> punkass, try booting with acpi=off
[08:36] <punkass> will do
[08:37] <Poromies> punkass: ok well i have the 5021, but still could be the same problem.. what chipset do you have? is it amd64?
[08:37] <punkass> apci=off didi it
[08:38] <punkass> its a centrino 1.6
[08:38] <Poromies> k, gl with the rest of the install o/
[08:38] <punkass> thanks
[08:38] <Seveas> punkass, that is bad news though, since you need acpi to take advantage of the centrino CPU scaling...
[08:39] <punkass> yes thats what i was thinking
[08:39] <punkass> once its installed, could i then try and make it work?
[08:39] <Ghostbone> ...does ubuntu come with a .mp3 decoder?
[08:39] <Seveas> punkass, but you should install linux-686 (that will install a Pentium optimized kernel), and boot from that, it might just solve your acpi problem
[08:39] <mcrawfor> Ghostbone: install gstreamer-mad or something like that
[08:39] <Seveas> Ghostbone, not by default, due to legal issues
[08:40] <zenlunatic> I opened a new file in gedit, and save it to desktop, and it didn't show up on desktop, so I did it again, and it says "do you want to replace the file, etcc" meaning its there, but it doesn't show up as an icon. any ideas?
[08:40] <CarlFK> Ghostbone
[08:40] <Seveas> Ghostbone: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[08:40] <mcrawfor> Ghostbone: also, see the "restrictedFileFormats" wiki page or something lke that
[08:40] <Ghostbone> aaaah ok
[08:40] <djm62> !restricted
[08:40] <ubotu> from memory, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:40] <CarlFK> Ghostbone  https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats
[08:40] <Ghostbone> thanks : )
[08:40] <bitsweat> Hey, has anyone tried WMA encoding via WINE or such?
[08:40] <CarlFK> jinks!
[08:40] <bronson> I'm trying to add more info to https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11161
[08:40] <bronson> Can anyone tell me where to find dccprobe?
[08:40] <mcrawfor> okay - i don't care why, really, but a false dev directory is a common rootkit trick - can someone just tell me whether or not I'm supposed to have a /.dev directory?
[08:41] <bronson> packages.ubuntu.com has no idea.
[08:41] <Ghostbone> you are mcrawfor
[08:41] <mcrawfor> Ghostbone: thank you
[08:41] <Winux> Does anybody know "Damn Small Linux"?
[08:41] <FlyingSquirrel32> tomchuk: yes, but I found that if you grep for "Page " with a space after it comes out correctly
[08:41] <mwe> what's the .dev dir good for?
[08:42] <Ghostbone> np :)
[08:42] <bronson> mwe: it's a hack for udev.
[08:42] <leji> hello
[08:42] <mwe> hm
[08:42] <punkass> Seveas: do you mean once i am installed then upgrade the kernel, or can i do it from the start?
[08:42] <Seveas> bronson, I guess you mean ddcprobe which is in the xresprobe package and is installed by default
[08:42] <Seveas> punkass, directly after installing
[08:42] <CarlFK> Winux - I had betterluck with Ubuntu-server and adding flukebox wm, ff and a few other aps
[08:42] <bronson> Seveas: thanks!
[08:43] <Seveas> too late CarlFK ;)
[08:43] <FlyingSquirrel32> tomchuk:but how do I get it to search through all of the suf-folders also?
[08:43] <Seveas> FlyingSquirrel32, grep -R
[08:43] <leji> what packages do I need to install to be able to compile softwares that use makefiles ?
[08:44] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: I don't know about your shell, but zsh has the ** wildcard for all subdirs
[08:44] <Seveas> leji, build-essential :)
[08:44] <bronson> Seveas: yep, that was it.  Thanks.
[08:45] <Seveas> leji, and probably some -dev packages, depending on what you are trying to compile
[08:45] <djm62> (could write a script in zsh, it's fairly similar to bash)
[08:45] <leji> seveas: ok thanks
[08:45] <Seveas> djm62, grep has the -R switch :)
[08:45] <djm62> Seveas: but he's starting with strings
[08:45] <Seveas> hmm ok
[08:46] <Seveas> ls -R . | xargs strings
[08:46] <djm62> Seveas: if he's doing this on an industrial scale, will he run out of command line argument buffer?
[08:47] <zenlunatic> I opened a new file in gedit, and save it to desktop, and it didn't show up on desktop, so I did it again, and it says "do you want to replace the file, etcc" meaning its there, but it doesn't show up as an icon. any ideas?
[08:47] <chrissturm> zenlunatic, click the desktop, press ctrl+R
[08:47] <Seveas> djm62, if you do this on industrial scale, you don't want strings, a lot of pipes and grep either...
[08:47] <dr_willis> or use the shell and see if its in /home/username/Desktop
[08:48] <zenlunatic> chrissturm: um that worked but why don't they auto refresh
[08:48] <zenlunatic> chrissturm: seems like important to me
[08:48] <dr_willis> Cluttered Desktop syndrome. :P
[08:48] <Seveas> My desktop is Completely Empty(tm)
[08:48] <Ghostbone> hmm this is funny
[08:49] <Ghostbone> I add the universe repository... and it gives me a malformed error O_o
[08:49] <Seveas> Ghostbone, then you made a typo :)
[08:49] <FlyingSquirrel32> Seveas, how would you suggest doing it?
[08:49] <Ghostbone> Yeh I musta : P
[08:49] <Seveas> paste your sources.list on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[08:49] <Ghostbone> *copies and pastes*
[08:49] <thoreauputic> Ghostbone: check for typos in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:50] <Ghostbone> aye im doing so now ; )
[08:50] <chrissturm> zenlunatic, normally gamin should take care of that. see if a reboot fixes the problem
[08:50] <zenlunatic> chrissturm: gamin?
[08:50] <FlyingSquirrel32> Seveas: I'm doing  strings *.pdf | grep "Page " | wc to count the number of pages in all of the pdf's in a folder
[08:50] <FlyingSquirrel32> I'll have perhaps 100 files
[08:51] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: that's not too many
[08:51] <Seveas> FlyingSquirrel32, that's ok
[08:51] <Seveas> but: do wc -l
[08:51] <dr_willis> I wonder at how accurate that could will eve be - counting PDF's that way
[08:51] <djm62> dr_willis: tests out ok
[08:51] <Seveas> and indeed, the word "Page " can occur on a page too...
[08:52] <FlyingSquirrel32> Seveas: should I use ls -R . | xargs strings  ?
[08:52] <Seveas> FlyingSquirrel32, no
[08:52] <dr_willis> since ive seen many pdf's that are 90% white space that just print out to dozens of pages - for about 2 pages of real text.
[08:52] <djm62> dr_willis: more accurate than he'll be at counting paper
[08:52] <Ghostbone> Hey erm as i'm a n00b to ubuntu I don't want to screw anything up : P. But I can manually de-comment the sources.list right?
[08:52] <dr_willis> he could print them to a fake printer :P
[08:52] <Seveas> Ghostbone, yeah
[08:52] <FlyingSquirrel32> Seveas: so how do I include subfolders?
[08:52] <Ghostbone> Ok cool =]  just don't want to go round breaking things >.<
[08:53] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: how predictable is the folder structure?
[08:53] <Seveas> FlyingSquirrel32, ah ok, if you want to do that and don't have a large amount of files in total, try ls -R . | grep '.pdf' | xargs strings | grep 'Page ' | wc -l
[08:54] <Seveas> Not really fault-tolerant though (foo.pdf.bar would be counted, as would the word Page occuring in the text)
[08:54] <djm62> Seveas: when you say the text...does that happen in pdf?
[08:54] <Seveas> hmm good one
[08:55] <FlyingSquirrel32> Seveas: either way, tha'ts close enough. about How many files can I do this way?
[08:55] <Seveas> have ckecked a few, but I don't see it...
[08:55] <orabidoo> hi! I would like to know how to compile a kernel in Ubuntu. I have searched on the net for instructions, but I haven't gotten anywhere with those instructions. I have an ADSL USB modem, for what no support for its drivers for the 2.6.x.x kernel yet
[08:55] <Seveas> FlyingSquirrel32, I think about 250
[08:55] <abbot45> im having a problem with pan news reader.  when i try to update a group headers it gives me this error over & over.  (Null) - article_is_valid: assertion `*a->message_id.str =='<'' failed
[08:55] <Seveas> otherwise you would have to create a little script
[08:56] <dave_> hi all
[08:56] <FlyingSquirrel32> Seveas: and how would that work more or less?
[08:56] <Seveas> abbot45, there is a malformed article in that group
[08:56] <berkes> hello
[08:56] <dave_> first of all, congrats on creating the (currently) best debian based desktop linux
[08:56] <berkes> can anyone give me a hint zhat USB wireless hub to buy?
[08:56] <abbot45> Seveas, what does that mean?
[08:57] <dave_> but I have a problem with ubuntu on one of my machines
[08:57] <berkes> is there any manufacturer that actively develops an Open Source driver?
[08:57] <Seveas> abbot45, an article (message) in that group has a bad Message-id: header
[08:57] <mwe> what package will give me the man page for perlre?
[08:57] <Seveas> A message-id header should be Message-id: <something_unique@somewhere>
[08:58] <Seveas> mwe, perl-doc
[08:58] <osvaldo> !sound
[08:58] <ubotu> osvaldo: Are you smoking crack?
[08:58] <dave_> My ubuntu setup boots from a raid1 array (2 disks), but when the array is not in sync (eg. due to crash) ubuntu does not boot at all
[08:58] <abbot45> Seveas, so that means i cant update any of the headers?  do i just have to wait till the server bumps that article off over time.  cause that will take a few weeks.
[08:59] <kev0r> is there any way to get a pcmcia card working under Ubuntu?
[08:59] <Seveas> abbot45, dunno... Pan shouldn't be freaking out about it...
[08:59] <Seveas> try unsubscribing and resubscribing
[08:59] <kev0r> pcmcia card anyone?
[08:59] <amywilson> how do I go about switching my desktop to KDE
[09:00] <petros> hi
[09:00] <berkes> kev0r, yes, install pcm-tools, if you doit have them already
[09:00] <djm62> amywilson: install kubuntu-desktop
[09:00] <Seveas> kev0r, what kind of card...?
[09:00] <kev0r> wireless card
[09:00] <abbot45> Seveas, it happens when it tries to load the articles that were already saved locally.  it doesnt even get to downloading the new ones yet.
[09:00] <dave_> so, anybody else have problems booting from raid1 when the array is not in sync?
[09:00] <Seveas> pcmcia should work out of the box
[09:00] <amywilson> how do I do that??
[09:00] <Seveas> abbot45, aha!
[09:00] <jo>  pcmcia is module?
[09:00] <Seveas> so something on disk is stored in a bad way
[09:01] <djm62> amywilson: are you in gnome right now?
[09:01] <Ghostbone> kev0r your card isn't a linksys WPC54Gv2 is it?
[09:01] <amywilson> yes
[09:01] <Seveas> abbot45, try deleting the groups articles if you don't care about redownloading what's available and losing the rest...
[09:01] <kev0r> Ghostbone: no a speedtouch
[09:01] <berkes> anyone any hints on good 'open source' wireless hubs?
[09:01] <Seveas> speedtouch pcmcia card..?
[09:01] <djm62> amywilson: got to System->Administration->Synaptic package manager in the menu
[09:01] <abbot45> Seveas, should i delete the .....  nevermind.  thats what i was gonna ask.
[09:01] <Ghostbone> ah hmm does it detect it as a wireless network card?
[09:01] <Ghostbone> in the device manage
[09:01] <dave_> when I boot from another, non-raid ubuntu install on another disk, it resyncs the array just fine, and I can boot my regular install again
[09:01] <Ghostbone> r
[09:01] <Seveas> berkes, asus wl500g is nice
[09:02] <petros> who is using firefox?
[09:02] <amywilson> ok
[09:02] <petros> my fonts are so small!!
[09:02] <berkes> Seveas, thanks, are the drivers supported?
[09:02] <djm62> amywilson: and do a search for kubuntu, and it will come up
[09:02] <HappyFool> petros: i am
[09:02] <dave_> but everytime I got a crash, ubuntu hangs during boot untill I resync the array from another linux instance.
[09:02] <Seveas> berkes, wl500g is a wireless hub and router, it needs no drivers...
[09:02] <HappyFool> petros: try Ctl-+
[09:02] <abbot45> Seveas, ive been having some problems with Pan crashing (from a fresh install even) so i was thinking it may have something to do with that.
[09:03] <djm62> (and wait for some serious downloading)
[09:03] <petros> HappyFool, the problem is, that not all fonts are small
[09:03] <Seveas> abbot45, I never had problems with it yet...
[09:03] <petros> only a group of fonts
[09:03] <orabidoo> hi! I would like to know how to compile a kernel in Ubuntu. I have searched on the net for instructions, but I haven't gotten anywhere with those instructions. I have an ADSL USB modem, for what no support for its drivers for the 2.6.x.x kernel yet
[09:03] <HappyFool> petros: font size may be dependent on the webpage designer, not firefox
[09:03] <Seveas> orabidoo: You can find compilation instructions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[09:03] <amywilson> ok it is downloading now
[09:03] <berkes> Seveas, no, I ned the USB hub,
[09:03] <berkes> not the router. I have a router.
[09:03] <petros> when i run the ubuntu livecd, the fonts are nice in ff
[09:03] <Seveas> berkes, wireless usb hub..?
[09:03] <Seveas> that makes no sense...
[09:03] <petros> but in the installed ff not
[09:03] <orabidoo> ok thansk
[09:03] <djm62> amywilson: all good then, just leave it to install itself
[09:03] <Seveas> Do you mean a usb wireless network card..?
[09:03] <bcat> hi everybody
[09:03] <berkes> Seveas, just that little usb stick thing.
[09:04] <amywilson> ok
[09:04] <Seveas> ahhh :)
[09:04] <HappyFool> petros: hm. well, take a look in edit->preferences->general, 'fonts and colours'
[09:04] <mjr> Seveas, there is a wireless USB spec nowadays
[09:04] <berkes> Seveas, yes
[09:04] <petros> HappyFool, already tried that
[09:04] <mjr> but I'm not entirely convinced that's what he means
[09:04] <mjr> yeah
[09:04] <Seveas> berkes, usb wireless is always crappy, better use a PCI or pcmcia card...
[09:04] <amywilson> now here is another question how hard is it to install a wireless card to a laptop and what ones do you recommend
[09:04] <petros> i have here another machine with linux and ff
[09:04] <ateves> not always actually
[09:04] <Seveas> mjr, really..?
[09:04] <petros> and it looks there also good
[09:04] <Seveas> sounds nice :)
[09:04] <berkes> Seveas, I know, but I really need USB.
[09:04] <petros> the problem is only in the new installed ubuntu ff
[09:04] <djm62> not hard to install a supported wireless card...which ones are best-supported?
[09:05] <ateves> hard to say
[09:05] <Akrame> 481 ubuntuien
[09:05] <amywilson> yep
[09:05] <Seveas> berkes, well, most cards should work with windows drivers and ndiswrapper, I don't know any with native linux drivers...
[09:05] <korCZiz> hi friends, mkinitrd is able to create /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12.1
[09:05] <amywilson> I want great ease since I am so new to this os
[09:05] <berkes> Seveas, know that too. but I dont want ndiswrapper
[09:05] <ateves> netgear once started to develope native drivers, but they stopped without any remarks
[09:05] <berkes> thats zhat I use now and it sucks big time
[09:06] <Ghostbone> isn't there a sourceforge project for linksys dirvers?
[09:06] <Seveas> berkes, well, try to find one with a prism chip then, they have support for usb...
[09:06] <petros> another question, does anyone know a tutorial hoice to setup a splashscreen/nice menu for grub?
[09:06] <Ghostbone> broadcom chips + unix = blegh : P
[09:06] <abbot45> Seveas, i think its just hardware/old ass computer problems.  Sometimes i wake up and my computer is frozen.  mouse wont even move.  sometimes it will suddenly kick me to the log in screen.  firefox crashes ocassionaly as well.  I didnt have any problems with my first ubuntu install on this box.  but i re-installed when i moved and every install after has been weird.
[09:06] <berkes> yes, there is some rt2400 project
[09:06] <Seveas> petros, look at the ubuntu forums, it's explained there
[09:06] <Ghostbone> yeh
[09:06] <petros> ok, thx
[09:06] <petros> cu
[09:06] <kev0r> Hmm, the card is not showing up in the Networking option screen....
[09:07] <kev0r> does this mean this card is not recocnized?
[09:07] <Seveas> abbot45, naybe you need to run memtest86
[09:07] <Ghostbone> is it showing up in the PCMICA section though?
[09:07] <Seveas> kev0r, indeed
[09:07] <Seveas> kev0r, you will have to use ndiswrapper
[09:07] <kev0r> so how do i go about to MAKE it working :P
[09:07] <djm62> has anyone here got a name-brand pcmcia wireless card working flawlessly on ubuntu?
[09:07] <Ghostbone> I do
[09:07] <kev0r> Seveas: what to do with ndiswrapper?
[09:07] <Ghostbone> Prism Intersil djm62
[09:07] <Ghostbone> it's inbuilt XD
[09:07] <Seveas> kev0r, you can use the windows drivers with it
[09:08] <kev0r> hmm :|
[09:08] <berkes> djm62, I am looking for one too.
[09:08] <Seveas> djm62, intel ipw2100/ipw2200 and atheros work fine for me
[09:08] <amywilson> me three
[09:08] <lotia>  i have windows installed on hda and ubuntu on hdb, grub has been installed in the bootsector of hda, as loing as i boot into ubuntu, there are no problems. as soon as i boot windows once grub is messed up. anyone had a similar experience
[09:08] <djm62> Seveas: without ndiswrapper?
[09:08] <berkes> djm62, it seems the rt 2400 /2500 chips are quite zell supported
[09:08] <Seveas> djm62, indeed
[09:09] <Seveas> intel/atheros have native linux drivers
[09:09] <Seveas> prism chips too
[09:09] <Ghostbone> seveas my prism card required me to use ndiswrapper for some strange reason
[09:09] <berkes> prism chips? got any brands/names that use em, Seveas?
[09:09] <djm62> nice to know...my no-brand card is some ancient intersil prototype, as far as I can tell, and it /will/ die eventually
[09:09] <Ghostbone> but it works =] 
[09:09] <jo> lotia yes
[09:09] <Ghostbone> berkes (SOME) linksys cards use 'em, I know intersil products are all prism that's about it
[09:09] <jo> i hade that to
[09:09] <Seveas> Ghostbone, some prisms are not completely supported (yet?)
[09:10] <jo> instal xp in urbuntu
[09:10] <amywilson> I am just looking for a easy supported card
[09:10] <Ghostbone> Seveas, I guess *shrug* it took no more than 5 minutes to get it working - but my broadcom card didn't even want to be detected as a network device hehe :P. So I <3 my prism anyway
[09:10] <amywilson> and don't have many options where I live at all
[09:11] <Seveas> Ghostbone, my broadcom works flawlessly with ndiswrapper :)
[09:11] <Ghostbone> I hate you seveas -.- :P
[09:11] <Seveas>  /kick Ghostbone
[09:11] <Seveas> :p
[09:11] <Ghostbone> Mind you it's linksys and me + linksys always tend to have conflicts
[09:11] <tolle> Seveas: My atheros works to, but fine isnt the right word. Since you got to configure the wireless networks yourself since netapp and those other things doesnt work.
[09:11] <Ghostbone> hehe :P I <3 you really *glances round nervously*
[09:12] <Seveas> tolle, I have to do that anyway (WPA/802.1X)
[09:12] <Ghostbone> amywilson if it's difficuilt for you to acquire a WLAN card i'd be more than happy to aid you.
[09:12] <Seveas> what did you say Ghostbone (looks threatening)...
[09:12] <djm62> http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Hardware
[09:12] <lotia> jo, i don't understand. could you please explain.
[09:12] <djm62> there's a list of hardware that works...
[09:13] <Seveas> rofl :)
[09:13] <Ghostbone> =p
[09:13] <Badtrash> lol
[09:13] <Ghostbone> wrong person? :P
[09:13] <jo> lotia its pusubul do instal xp in vmware andt run it same time as urbuntu
[09:13] <Seveas> jo, that's crap...
[09:13] <jo> but its trikie toe
[09:13] <rezzcobain> Hi, im new to linux. I have a simple question. Is Ubuntu my best choice? I can use it which I am right now or switch to Fedora Core 3, Knoppix, SUSE, or Mandrake.
[09:14] <jo> what crap
[09:14] <Seveas> installing XP in vmware
[09:14] <zenlunatic> how do i get my nautilus desktop to automatically refresh when i save files to it?
[09:14] <amywilson> ok ghostbone what can you do to help
[09:14] <Seveas> lotia, what do you mean with 'messed up'?
[09:14] <jasoncohen> rezzcobain, it depends what you want in a distro
[09:14] <jo> yest but for some people is good enof
[09:14] <djm62> rezzcobain: suse is another good distro, with kde as the default environment...I recommend live CDs or DVDs so you can try them out
[09:14] <lotia> the grub menu never comes up.
[09:15] <mjr> zenlunatic, it should do so automatically; your fam or gamin isn't working properly
[09:15] <Runecl> hey pemo :D
[09:15] <jo> i us it for testing iso s
[09:15] <lotia> the machine keeps rebooting.
[09:15] <Seveas> lotia, it immediately boots to XP?
[09:15] <Ghostbone> Well amy if they're difficuilt to acquire where you live you could paypal me the money / cc it via Paypal or 2checkout, i'd buy you a card and send it to you. Plus i'll have a look around work and see if there are any i can pinch
[09:15] <pemo> hey Runecl
[09:15] <Seveas> oh...
[09:15] <jo> befor a burn them
[09:15] <djm62> rezzcobain: ubuntu provides a good desktop experience for most people, and isn't likely to disappear suddenly
[09:15] <bcat> i'm running hoary have included universe and multiverse in my sources. for several days (or weeks?) now package acroread does not update.
[09:15] <pemo> can someone help whit this problem http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44436 <
[09:15] <lotia> nope. just reboots the machine.
[09:15] <tolle> zenlunatic: It did that before when it used fam, now nautilus uses gamin to check for filesystem updates and it no longer works for me.
[09:15] <amywilson> ok I need to get some money first
[09:15] <matt__> Does anyone have a netgear WG511 working in ubuntu?
[09:15] <bcat> i get dependancy errors: acroread: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[09:15] <bcat>             Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-7) but 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 is to be installed
[09:15] <bcat> how can i fix this?
[09:15] <Seveas> bcat, don't use random unofficial repositories...
[09:16] <tolle> zenlunatic: as with all software, stuff doesnt work untill just before a switch to something newer.
[09:16] <bcat> Seveas: np, I'm used to debian, just tell me on what base universe and multiverse is built. ubuntu unstable?
[09:16] <Ghostbone> ok cool : ]  i'll dig around a bit brb
[09:16] <matt__> Does anyone have a netgear WG511 working in ubuntu?
[09:16] <ateves> yepp, my dad
[09:17] <ateves> works fine with ndiswrapper
[09:17] <ateves> and winXP drivers
[09:17] <zenlunatic> tolle: what are you talking about?
[09:17] <djm62> idiocy....
[09:17] <matt__> oh, okay thanks
[09:17] <Seveas> Ubuntu is based on snapshots of debian sid that are stabilized
[09:17] <matt__> i was trying with the prism54 drivers
[09:17] <bcat> Seveas: yes i know that
[09:17] <djm62> matt__, amywilson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//HardwareSupport
[09:17] <ateves> might be one way, no idea. ndiswrapper works so far :D
[09:17] <tolle> zenlunatic: the automatic update of folders/desktop in nautilus
[09:17] <pemo> hmm
[09:17] <Seveas> Then I must have misinterpreted your question, bcat :)
[09:17] <bcat> Seveas: but universe/multiverse packages are obviously not built on top of hoary (different glibc-version). so what do they use?
[09:18] <tolle> zenlunatic: it worked before for me. But doesnt since the application for monitoring the filesystem changed.
[09:18] <bcat> Seveas: or at least this applies to the acroread package
[09:18] <Seveas> bcat, they are...
[09:18] <tolle> zenlunatic: works now to, but its alot slower.
[09:18] <Seveas> acroread is not built by Ubuntu people
[09:18] <Seveas> because acroread is not open source
[09:19] <bcat> Seveas: So why is there a dependency problem? how can acroread from multiverse depend on libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1)?
[09:19] <jo> lotia do you have xp boot disk
[09:19] <pemo> an expert in modules ?
[09:19] <bcat> Seveas: when libc6 in hoary is  2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13
[09:19] <jo> google  xp boot disk
[09:19] <zenlunatic> tolle: i see
[09:19] <matt__> matt@ubuntu:~/Desktop/prism54-ffff$ make modules
[09:19] <matt__> make -C ksrc/ modules
[09:19] <matt__> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/matt/Desktop/prism54-ffff/ksrc'
[09:19] <matt__> make -C /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build SUBDIRS=/home/matt/Desktop/prism54-ffff/ksrc modules
[09:19] <matt__> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[09:19] <matt__> make: Entering an unknown directorymake: Leaving an unknown directorymake[1] : *** [modules]  Error 2
[09:19] <matt__> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/matt/Desktop/prism54-ffff/ksrc'
[09:19] <matt__> make: *** [modules-all]  Error 2
[09:19] <matt__> matt@ubuntu:~/Desktop/prism54-ffff$
[09:19] <Seveas> matt__, FOOL!
[09:20] <Seveas> don't paste in here
[09:20] <Ghostbone> hehe ^ pwned : p
[09:20] <Badtrash> woot
[09:20] <tolle> zenlunatic: Btw, if I'm totally offtopic I blame the beer!
[09:20] <Seveas> bcat, that is not acroread in multiverse
[09:20] <zenlunatic> tolle: um okay
[09:20] <thoreauputic> matt__: /topic
[09:20] <Runecl> matt__ : I have the same problem
[09:21] <Runecl> matt__ : well, almost the same
[09:21] <xliu> Ubuntu will check my file system if I have started Linux for 30 times, how to change this setting?
[09:21] <djm62> you both need to install linux-headers
[09:21] <bcat> Seveas: really? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/a/acroread/
[09:21] <Seveas> bcat, that will be the breezy package you look at...
[09:22] <Seveas> bcat, check packages.ubuntu.com or apt-cache search
[09:22] <Runecl> djm62 : I downloaded the linux-source code via synaptic
[09:22] <bcat> Seveas: ah ok, thanks for the clarification
[09:22] <Seveas> it depends on libc6 2.2.4 in hoary
[09:22] <Runecl> djm62 : and un-tar'ed it .. but now I don't know what to do
[09:22] <Seveas> actually: >=2.2.4-4
[09:22] <Ghostbone> brb need to restart after installing the mp3 decoder me thinks
[09:23] <bcat> Seveas: how stable is breezy already? is a switch advisable for a desktop system?
[09:23] <Seveas> No :)
[09:23] <Seveas> It's getting shape though
[09:23] <thoreauputic> Ghostbone: no you don't need to restart
[09:23] <djm62> Runecl: if you install the appropriate linux-headers package it should be right (I think)
[09:23] <Ghostbone> hmm then how come i'm getting cannot write to file errors??
[09:23] <nalioth_wrkn> Ghostbone: the only time you need to restart your box is when you update your kernel (and want to use it)
[09:24] <nalioth_wrkn> Ghostbone: is you HD full of music?
[09:24] <Ghostbone> nope
[09:24] <thoreauputic> Ghostbone: what is giving you that message?
[09:24] <bcat> ok thx
[09:24] <Ghostbone> totomedia player
[09:24] <Runecl> djm62 : you mean like : apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 ?
[09:24] <Ghostbone> totem*
[09:24] <thoreauputic> toto....ah I see .. <laughs>
[09:24] <Ghostbone> totem movie player bah
[09:24] <djm62> Runecl: apt-cache search linux-header
[09:25] <tolle> Ghostbone: Probably cant write to .gnome/totem* files
[09:25] <thoreauputic> Ghostbone: and which mp3 package did you install?
[09:25] <Rockett17> bcat> if you not looking for instability i'd suggest you just stay with the final releases and keep them up to date
[09:25] <tolle> Ghostbone: Check the permissions of the files in the .gnome2 folder.
[09:25] <djm62> Runecl: then pick the right one for your system (uname -a should give you a clue)
[09:25] <Rockett17> s/instability/stability
[09:25] <Ghostbone> k sec.
[09:25] <theshadow> Does anyone know any good cartoonish themes for Gnome?
[09:25] <Runecl> djm62 : alright, I'm looking for it now
[09:25] <theshadow> I have the Icons.
[09:26] <tolle> Ghostbone: If you run some apps with the sudo command, they might screw up the permissions of some of the settings folders in your $HOME
[09:26] <djm62> theshadow: have you tried themes.freshmeat.net and art.gnome.org ?
[09:26] <theshadow> art.gnome.org are moving servers.
[09:26] <jo> doint get tvtime to work gr
[09:27] <theshadow> I haven't tried themes.freshmeat.net
[09:27] <Runecl> djm62 : that would probably be : linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 - Linux kernel headers 2.6.10 on 386
[09:27] <theshadow> I'll try that now. :)
[09:27] <Rockett17> dont forget gnome-look.org
[09:27] <Ghostbone> meh darn this irc client : P
[09:27] <refuze2looze> how do i change the owner of a folder?
[09:27] <Ghostbone> where's the .gnome2 folder?
[09:27] <typo> I want to install ubuntu in a machine without CD. Is it easy to do it with pendrive+net or should I attach a CD just for the install?
[09:28] <thoreauputic> Ghostbone: in your home directory
[09:28] <Rockett17> chown folder user:group
[09:28] <Ghostbone> O_o and if i don't have one there
[09:28] <djm62> Runecl: really a 386? or do you mean x86?
[09:28] <thoreauputic> Ghostbone: you might need to hit ctrl-h in nautilus to see it
[09:28] <Ghostbone> there's one folder there that has a lock next to it that created by mkdir command but can't remove >.<
[09:28] <thoreauputic> Ghostbone: it's a "hidden" dir
[09:28] <Ghostbone> ah got it
[09:29] <Runecl> djm62 : hmm.. there's a point :)
[09:29] <Ghostbone> ah think i got it *tries to play*
[09:29] <Ghostbone> ...could not open resource for writing guh O_o
[09:29] <theshadow> Yeah I'm not seeing any cartoon themes.
[09:30] <thoreauputic> Ghostbone: did you install gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[09:30] <Ghostbone> yep
[09:30] <thoreauputic> OK
[09:30] <Runecl> djm62 : no.. actually I think it's the right one
[09:31] <Ghostbone> keep getting could not open resource for writing : /
[09:31] <goldfish> Ghostbone: for?
[09:31] <djm62> Runecl: fine...worth checking ;)
[09:31] <Neerlan_Amorim> ubuntu is very cool
[09:31] <Ghostbone> when i try to open a file
[09:31] <Ghostbone> a .mp3*
[09:31] <Runecl> djm62 : I'm all over it :P
[09:31] <goldfish> hmm
[09:31] <goldfish> Ghostbone: are u the owner of it?
[09:31] <Ghostbone> erm it was on my ext. hdd that i just transfered to my desktop now
[09:32] <refuze2looze> Rockett17, thanks.. how do i include all subfolders? it's not -R?
[09:32] <goldfish> i see
[09:32] <goldfish> Ghostbone: did you use sudo to transfer it?
[09:32] <Ghostbone> but yeh im the owner
[09:32] <thoreauputic> Ghostbone: did you use sudo to copy it across?
[09:32] <Ghostbone> ...nope =$
[09:32] <goldfish> hmmm
[09:32] <goldfish> thoreauputic: :)
[09:32] <Ghostbone> so i have to use sudo?
[09:33] <typo> has anyone done this? net install from pen drive?
[09:33] <thoreauputic> no
[09:33] <Ghostbone> ah
[09:33] <goldfish> Ghostbone: so if you do 'ls -al blah.mp3' it says your the owner
[09:33] <goldfish> ?
[09:33] <thoreauputic> Ghostbone: we thought it might be owned by root if you had used sudo
[09:33] <goldfish> *you're
[09:34] <Ghostbone> it shows the name in green
[09:34] <amywilson> ok I am looking at it to see what is support for usb because my PCMIA slot has been messed up for some time
[09:34] <Ghostbone> and in properties it says it belongs to me
[09:34] <goldfish> k
[09:34] <Rockett17> refuze2looze> I don't remember off hand. You could be right
[09:34] <goldfish> Ghostbone: what you trying to open the mp3 with?
[09:35] <tomchuk> typo: http://d-i.pascal.at/ - instructions should work fine for Ubuntu
[09:35] <Ghostbone> Totem Movie Player (the standard one) . However music player also gives me errors
[09:35] <goldfish> can totem play .mp3's ?
[09:35] <Rockett17> yes
[09:35] <Rockett17> well
[09:36] <barosl> @_@;
[09:36] <amywilson> I found one netgear that it say works when instructions are followed at the top of a page but get redirected every time I try to view the page
[09:36] <Rockett17> Totem-xine with w32codec pack can
[09:36] <Ghostbone> just gives me an error saying cannot write to file
[09:36] <goldfish> Why not use xmms or bmp ...
[09:36] <Akrame> plz , with apache , i must place my web files in /Var/ww ?
[09:36] <goldfish> Okay.
[09:36] <Ghostbone> i even chmod'd it to 777 O_o
[09:36] <Akrame> */var/www
[09:36] <Ghostbone> i'll try xmms
[09:36] <goldfish> Ghostbone: beep-media-player is better
[09:36] <goldfish> Ghostbone: dont think u should have chmod 777 it.
[09:36] <Seveas> Ghostbone: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[09:36] <Ghostbone> yeh it said couldn't write to it so i thought meh  : p
[09:37] <djm62> amywilson: looks like an expired google cache...try googling the card name and linux
[09:37] <Ghostbone> k : )
[09:37] <Runecl> djm62 : alright .. I installed the linux-headers .. but they are placed under /usr/src/ and the driver I'm installing looks for files under /lib/modules/build
[09:37] <Akrame> plz , with apache , i must place my web files in /var/www ?
[09:38] <Seveas> Akrame, you can specify where you want them...
[09:38] <barosl> it's first time for me to join freenode... i'm feeling great power... @_@;
[09:39] <HappyFool> Runecl: if you installed the correct linux-headers, a symbolic link 'build' should have been created in /lib/modules/<version-number>
[09:39] <barosl> what a nice..
[09:39] <jef_> hi
[09:39] <goldfish> yo jef_
[09:39] <barosl> jef_, hi
[09:40] <leo> hey all
[09:40] <goldfish> howdy
[09:40] <leo> have u got any clue about ubuntu?
[09:40] <Ghostbone> beep gives the following error: Error: Please check that: 1. You have correct output plugin (i set to e-sound) 2. No other prog is blocking sound card 3. Your Sound card is config'd properly
[09:40] <Ghostbone> most of them do : p whereas i don;t ; )
[09:41] <goldfish> Ghostbone: what other outputs are available?
[09:41] <barosl> very marvelous... can you hear me...?
[09:41] <Ghostbone> Goldfish ALSA and OSS
[09:42] <goldfish> barosl: yes.
[09:42] <goldfish> Ghostbone: try them.
[09:42] <goldfish> leo: yes :) do you?
[09:42] <Ghostbone> goldfish i love you : p
[09:42] <Ghostbone> Alsa works ^^
[09:42] <goldfish> cool
[09:42] <barosl> oh..;
[09:42] <Rockett17> yeah when you first install beep-media-player you have to change the audio plugin to ALSA or it doesn't play
[09:42] <goldfish> aye
[09:42] <Ghostbone> aah ;P
[09:42] <goldfish> same with xmms i think
[09:42] <pedingto> I run eSound for xmms and it works.
[09:43] <goldfish> hmmm
[09:43] <Ghostbone> oss works
[09:43] <goldfish> Oh well, at least he got it working.
[09:43] <Ghostbone> alsa and OSS work : P
[09:43] <pedingto> Yup
[09:43] <Ghostbone> ^^ thanks guys
[09:43] <Ghostbone> if anyone lives in holland near the hague I owe you a beer : p
[09:43] <barosl> do most of people of freenode use linux?
[09:43] <goldfish> barosl: alot do
[09:43] <goldfish> barosl: there's loads of linux channels on freenode
[09:44] <toshiba_> my ubuntu now tries to boot as K7-SMP.. on a 686 Machine. How can I uninstall K7 and switch the default boot mode to the (still present) 686 mode?
[09:44] <goldfish> there's loads of other irc servers aswell
[09:44] <goldfish> Ghostbone: Ireland close enough? :)
[09:44] <Runecl> djm62 : I did make the build now :)
[09:44] <Runecl> djm62 : it even
[09:44] <barosl> he;
[09:44] <djm62> toshiba_: can you boot something on the machine?
[09:44] <Ghostbone> Goldfish I goto an irish pub called ned kellies near every friday : p
[09:44] <goldfish> hehe
[09:45] <djm62> the australian outlaw...
[09:45] <toshiba_> djm62, yes, i'm using it ATM.
[09:45] <MikeStyle> hey
[09:45] <toshiba_> djm62, I can boot fine as 686, but would like to remove the K7 option and make 686 default.
[09:45] <Ghostbone> think im going to ireland next year goldfish so should I see you I'll buy you a pint or 9 :P
[09:45] <goldfish> Ghostbone: :)
[09:45] <djm62> toshiba_: /boot/grub/menu.lst is the file to fiddle
[09:45] <goldfish> MikeStyle: hello.
[09:45] <MikeStyle> uhm im using wine with ubuntu and when i try to install photoshop cs2 it says i need windows 2000 or xp
[09:46] <rafa-> hi
[09:46] <toshiba_> djm62, how can i remove K7-smp altogether, tho?
[09:46] <Ghostbone> hmm I really need to learn how to use this irc client = p
[09:46] <barosl> rafa-, hi
[09:46] <rafa-> when i start the computer, ubuntu doesn't start the network interfaces
[09:46] <djm62> toshiba_: apt-get remove linux-image-k7-whatever
[09:46] <rafa-> and i think that's why gnome isn't working
[09:46] <rafa-> could someone please tell me how to correct that?
[09:47] <MikeStyle> rafa-, after your in ubuntu go to computer,system configuration, networking, then set it up
[09:47] <rafa-> yes
[09:47] <barosl> gnome is not related to network connection, i think..;
[09:47] <rafa-> i do that
[09:47] <djm62> rafa-: that would happen if the lo interface wasn't loading, which can happen if your /etc/network/interfaces file is messed up
[09:47] <rafa-> and the next time i reboot
[09:47] <rafa-> it doesn't
[09:47] <djm62> rafa-: when did this stop working?
[09:47] <MikeStyle> rafa-, take a screenshot of your network connection so i can see wuts going on
[09:48] <Rockett17> MikeStyle> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=2631
[09:48] <rafa-> djm62, like the third time i booted up
[09:48] <_0kills> is it possible to Launch a web page from a Custom Application Launcher?
[09:49] <rafa-> MikeStyle, /etc/network/interfaces had the WEP key twice
[09:49] <rafa-> maybe that was interfering somehow
[09:49] <pgidz> rafa check your /etc/network/interfaces file and see if it says in there auto and the the name of the network ie eth0 or wlan0
[09:49] <djm62> rafa-: had you done anything unusual to it, or had anything unusual happened, before it stopped working
[09:49] <rafa-> yes, now i remember
[09:49] <lotia> no i don't have a boot disk. i do have a floppy.
[09:49] <MikeStyle> rafa-, does your isp support linux?
[09:49] <rafa-> i tried to change something using the kde network configuration tool
[09:49] <lotia> i mean i do have the install media.
[09:49] <goldfish> eh
[09:49] <djm62> rafa-: paste your /etc/network/interfaces file to the place mentioned in /topic
[09:50] <MikeStyle> rockett17, ive already downloaded photoshop its just not working
[09:50] <Scarecrow_> djm62 : did you get my last message before my router acted up..
[09:50] <djm62> rafa-: and tell us the url
[09:50] <djm62> Scarecrow_: assume not
[09:50] <Ghostbone> Aaah Gaim a friendly enviroment : P
[09:50] <Rockett17> yeah I know. There is a guide on that link of how to make it set-up and work .. however it's apparently very rocky.. only 1 person got it running
[09:50] <Scarecrow_> djm62 : now it complains: gcc: command not found (i checked and gcc-3.3-base is installed) maybe that's not enough?
[09:50] <Rockett17> your best bet would be ps8
[09:50] <djm62> Scarecrow_: apt-get install build-essential
[09:50] <chaps0063> hello all, I was hoping to figure out how to adjust the brightness of my screen on my laptop, currently, the buttons I have to use do not work for it?
[09:51] <Rockett17> anyways, time to drop out and head home from work :D
[09:51] <_0kills> anyone know if its possible to launch a web page from a custom application launcher?
[09:51] <Scarecrow_> djm62 : tnx
[09:51] <rafa-> errr
[09:51] <rafa-> how do you cut from xterm?
[09:52] <rafa-> i mean, copy
[09:52] <djm62> _0kills: I'm not sure exactly what you want, but you can execute programs from c, you can find the default browser from gnome
[09:52] <ompaul> _0kills, do you want set the page that you want the web browser to open in as the base of the k
[09:52] <sanitario> rafa-, just mark the text
[09:53] <thoreauputic> _0kills: command like: firefox http://your.page.com  ?
[09:53] <leo> i do not have a clue about ubuntu - or linux
[09:53] <jasoncohen> is breezy more broken than sid at this point?
[09:53] <ompaul> _0kills, do you want set the page that you want the web browser to open in as the page that the browser opens in
[09:53] <_0kills> thoreauputic, exactly
[09:53] <sanitario> rafa-, paste with the middle mouse button
[09:53] <_0kills> ompaul, no
[09:53] <djm62> rafa-: left-click and drag over the text, paste with middle button (or left and right simultaneously)
[09:53] <leo> holy cow!! thats awsome!!
[09:53] <thoreauputic> _0kills: so just make your launcher and put that as command...
[09:53] <MikeStyle> does anyone have a download link for photoshop 7 or 8?
[09:53] <MikeStyle> nvm
[09:53] <MikeStyle> i go one
[09:54] <Ghostbone> the trial i hope : p
[09:54] <MikeStyle> uhmm
[09:54] <ompaul> _0kills, enjoy
[09:54] <MikeStyle> maybe :P
[09:54] <djm62> MikeStyle: this is #ubuntu...
[09:54] <rafa-> djm62, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/309
[09:54] <MikeStyle> djm62, i know
[09:54] <ompaul> MikeStyle, we suggest that you use something called Gimp
[09:54] <Ghostbone> maybe he want's to run PS7/8 in wine? XD
[09:54] <MikeStyle> ompaul, i HATE the gimp
[09:54] <Ghostbone> Gimps a great program!
[09:54] <leo> i have a question about the grub boot loader
[09:54] <MikeStyle> photoshop is soo much better
[09:54] <ompaul> MikeStyle, well that is all the help I can give you, not being a windows user for 10 years
[09:55] <Ghostbone> It has the exact same potential as photoshop, just need to learn how to use it : )
[09:55] <rafa-> no it doesn't, it doesn't do CMYK
[09:55] <_0kills> sweet thanks guys
[09:55] <djm62> rafa-: b0rked
[09:55] <rafa-> b0rked?
[09:55] <leo> how can I get the boot cd to load before grub??
[09:55] <djm62> rafa-: that last line makes zerosense
[09:55] <typo> tomchuk: thanks for the info, does ubuntu have a netinst image?
[09:56] <rasputnik> leo: you need to talk to your BIOS
[09:56] <goldfish> leo: set boot from cd before hard-disk in your bios
[09:56] <rafa-> djm62, the last line of my interfaces?
[09:56] <djm62> rafa-: delete it
[09:56] <rafa-> ok
[09:56] <djm62> rafa-: it's a fragment of a good line, and it's probably confused everything else
[09:56] <leo> it is setup to boot cd first
[09:56] <rafa-> ok
[09:56] <leo> hardrive is 3rd
[09:56] <MikeStyle> does anyone know if slax linux can run from a removable disc? my mp3 player is 5 gigs and i want to run slax off it into my comp
[09:56] <rafa-> i don't want eth0 for anything anyway
[09:57] <rasputnik> leo: then you need to put a cd in? not sure what you're asking
[09:57] <leo> the cd is in
[09:57] <leo> grub takes over
[09:57] <thoreauputic> MikeStyle: umm - this is #ubuntu - not slax ?
[09:57] <rafa-> okeanos, i'm rebootinh
[09:57] <sanitario> MikeStyle, why don't you ask the slax dudes?
[09:57] <rafa-> wish me luck
[09:57] <djm62> but...
[09:57] <djm62> sod it
[09:57] <rasputnik> leo: it can't if the cd is bootable, cd gets first try
[09:58] <leo> its an iso file
[09:58] <MikeStyle> sanitario and anyone else, im just wondering, because you all know linux better than me probably and i dont know if there is a slax channel
[09:58] <leo> i can't see why it wouldn't work
[09:58] <thoreauputic> MikeStyle: there's a #slackware at least
[09:58] <rasputnik> leo: you mean you burnt it from iso?
[09:58] <djm62> MikeStyle: it probably does work, try the slax homepage for either a HOWTO or the name of an IRC channel
[09:58] <MikeStyle> fine
[09:58] <leo> i just dragged the iso file into the burn program in ubuntu
[09:58] <leo> and burnt it
[09:59] <leo> did i neet to change the options to make it bootable?
[09:59] <goldfish> leo: what are u using to burn ?
[09:59] <rasputnik> leo: shouldn't need to if it's a bootable iso... can you read the cd ?
[09:59] <nalioth> leo: if it was a bootable iso image, no
[09:59] <barosl> why do some channels start with '##'?
[09:59] <nalioth> leo: if YOU are creating a bootable image, yes
[09:59] <goldfish> if using nero, pick "Burn image to disk"
[09:59] <goldfish> that worked for me.
[10:00] <leo> hmm
[10:00] <thoreauputic> leo: I think you might have burnt it as a file instead of an ISO
[10:00] <leo> i used the right click on ubuntu
[10:00] <rasputnik> goldfish: 'neee-ro'? you talk funny
[10:00] <goldfish> hmmm
[10:00] <leo> damn, i have that feeling too
[10:00] <leo> will it work ok on a cdrw
[10:00] <rasputnik> leo: if you mount the cd, what does it look like
[10:00] <rasputnik> leo: cdrw will be fine
[10:00] <thoreauputic> leo: right click the ISO and choose burn ISO
[10:00] <Seveas> barosl, these are so-called about channels
[10:01] <barosl> ...? ;;
[10:02] <leo> thoreauputic: there isn't a burn iso option
[10:02] <unome> !kubuntu live
[10:02] <ubotu> No idea, unome
[10:02] <leo> only write to disc
[10:03] <barosl> i'm sad because i'm poor at english... T_T
[10:04] <unome> i'm rich at body language :)
[10:04] <barosl> i'm missing so many informations...
[10:04] <Scarecrow_> djm62 : hmm.. appears to be a syntax error: /bin/sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `(' <-- any ideas?
[10:04] <rasputnik> leo: what app are you using? nautilus?
[10:04] <concept10> Seveas, could I pm you with a quick question?
[10:04] <leo> yes
[10:05] <Blue_Summer> lo all
[10:05] <leo> hello
[10:05] <Blue_Summer> can anyone tell me how to install a program on linuz?
[10:05] <Blue_Summer> linux* well ubuntu
[10:05] <barosl> apt-get
[10:05] <barosl> or synaptic or aptitude
[10:05] <pgavin> Blue_Summer, or synaptic
[10:05] <rasputnik> haven't tried it - I was using freebsd until a couple of days ago, that just does 'burncd /dev/cdrom /path/to/iso'
[10:05] <barosl> =3
[10:05] <leo> i'm stuck on the apt-get
[10:05] <rafa-> thank you!!
[10:05] <Seveas> concept10, sure
[10:06] <rafa-> it works
[10:06] <barosl> i like to use aptitude
[10:06] <Blue_Summer> sorry i should explain this is the first time i've installed linux today ;)
[10:06] <rafa-> djm62, thank you!
[10:06] <jo> apt-get install .....
[10:06] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, system -> administration -> package manager
[10:06] <Blue_Summer> i  just downloaded cedega 4.3.2 so i can play Steam on my pc
[10:06] <rasputnik> Blue_Summer : you make it sound like you install linux several times a day
[10:06] <Blue_Summer> ty seveas
[10:06] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, ah installing cedega is different
[10:06] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, it should come with a file called README or INSTALL
[10:06] <holycow> Blue_Summer, cedega must be converted to deb format to install
[10:07] <Seveas> that contains install instructions
[10:07] <holycow> what is cedega distributed as ... .rpm?
[10:07] <djm62> rafa-: all good...be careful when you touch files in /etc ;)
[10:07] <rasputnik> leo: does linux have cdrecord?
[10:07] <xerox> Hi.
[10:07] <Blue_Summer> why is it so hard to install steam? Lol i wish steam made a linux version so much easier
[10:07] <xerox> Does anybody know a safe way to get GTK 2.7.0?
[10:07] <rafa-> djm62, it wasn't me, i think it was kde
[10:07] <pgavin> xerox, build from source and install in your home directory
[10:07] <rasputnik> leo: yes it does. get that
[10:08] <barosl> Blue_Summer, what is extname of the file...?
[10:08] <Blue_Summer> hmm
[10:08] <Blue_Summer> i open the file
[10:08] <leo> ok
[10:08] <leo> thanks
[10:08] <Blue_Summer> ./usr/ then i get a  menu, bin, lib or  share
[10:08] <pgidz> leo you could burn you iso with this command 'cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd name of iso file' the hdd is the name of your cd recorder
[10:08] <rasputnik> leo: there's probably an easier way with nautilus, I just know cdrecord is easy enough to use from the cli
[10:08] <pgavin> ok, so I got a cheapo hpdj3740 today, and the first page I printed was fine, but then it started printing the page an inch down
[10:09] <xerox> pgavin, what do you think of this? http://www.advogato.org/person/seb128/diary.html?start=18  But I can't succed in installing those.
[10:09] <Blue_Summer> To install cedega which file do i go in? Lib, Bin or Share?
[10:09] <rasputnik> leo: it's in apt by the way. you might need 'universe' first
[10:09] <vinux> pgavin, yea i've had those cheap printers before :(
[10:09] <barosl> Blue_Summer, none of them..;
[10:09] <seb128> xerox: what the issue with these packages ?
[10:10] <Blue_Summer> i've extracted the file to my desktop i open and there are 3 folders
[10:10] <Spug> how can i (gasp) rip copy controlled cds?
[10:10] <Blue_Summer> i'm sorry i'm a noob i just don't understand
[10:10] <xerox> seb128, some errors, could I paste it in private?
[10:10] <seb128> xerox: sure
[10:10] <barosl> Blue_Summer, can you write the name of the file...?
[10:10] <_0kills> Blue_Summer, there is a detailed HowTo on the download page of cedega
[10:10] <holycow> Blue_Summer, no no no
[10:10] <holycow> haha
[10:11] <pgavin> vinux, were you able to fix it?
[10:11] <holycow> Blue_Summer, do sudo apt-get install alien to make sure you have alien
[10:11] <vinux> pgavin, yep a sledge hammer does wonders to cheap plastic :)
[10:11] <amywilson> Ok I finished installing the kde but the it still didn't change over from gnome help please on this one
[10:11] <holycow> Blue_Summer, then do alien -c cedega..whatever.rpm
[10:11] <holycow> that will create a deb file for you
[10:11] <Blue_Summer> alien? ok lol what do i write that command in ? Root Terminal?
[10:11] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, no, NORMAL terminal
[10:11] <holycow> when you get the deb file do sudo dpkg -i cedega..whatever...deb
[10:11] <asdx> How can I install a spanish translation for openoffice/firefox on hoary?
[10:12] <pgavin> vinux, lol, well, I don't mean give it the "permanent fix" :)
[10:12] <Seveas> the root terminal should be avoided as much as possible
[10:12] <holycow> blue use a regular terminal
[10:12] <Blue_Summer> ahh
[10:12] <kakalto> *yawn*
[10:12] <Seveas> asdx, install language-support-es
[10:12] <kakalto> g'morning
[10:12] <_0kills> amywilson, did you click on Session at the GDM?
[10:12] <asdx> Seveas: thank you
[10:12] <Blue_Summer> so in terminal i type:  sudo apt-get install alien
[10:12] <mwe> amywilson, log out of gnome and choose kde at the login screen
[10:12] <amywilson> nope it started loading like kde but then went back to gnome
[10:12] <_0kills> amywilson, Session gives you the options of which windows manager to load from
[10:13] <vinux> pgavin, nope. Some printers they sell do or don't work. You might want to call tech support. Let me tell ya why. Even though it's cheap printers can be pretty advanced to fix.
[10:13] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, alien should be there already
[10:13] <holycow> and press enter
[10:13] <kakalto> I still haven't got my hoary ubuntu cd in the post...
[10:13] <rking> is libapache-mod-perl use the DSO version?  i'm new to ubuntu and don't know how to tell you what version i'm on... /etc/debian_version says 3.1
[10:13] <Seveas> you just type alien cedega-something....rpm
[10:13] <Blue_Summer> ok
[10:13] <kakalto> and yet I ordered before warty?
[10:13] <kakalto> I got warty
[10:13] <kakalto> but I haven't got hoary yet
[10:13] <kakalto> >.<
[10:13] <rasputnik> kakalto: i ordered a bundle two months ago and they turned up last week
[10:13] <Spug> kakalto: me neither, so
[10:14] <Seveas> kakalto, you should have ordered again for hoary
[10:14] <vinux> pgavin, you might have to exchange it for another one
[10:14] <Seveas> CaWIss, we speak english in here
[10:14] <pgavin> vinux, bah
[10:14] <Blue_Summer> it says: Must run as root to convert to deb format (or you may use fakeroot).
[10:14] <kakalto> new account, Seveas ?
[10:14] <amywilson> cool thanks got it
[10:14] <Ghostbone> Hey guys and girls, is cedega free? I coulda sworn it was O_o
[10:14] <CaWIss> searcher`, oo sorry wrong place euheh
[10:14] <pgavin> vinux, i just got the stupid thing :/
[10:14] <Seveas> Blue_Summer: apt-get  install fakeroot
[10:14] <vinux> pgavin, yep well it's happened to me before
[10:14] <Blue_Summer> ty
[10:14] <kakalto> from how I understood it, it should have sent automatically
[10:14] <wazdmin> hey guys...my mouse movement is a little choppy at times..how can that be fixed ?
[10:14] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, and then: sudo alien cedega....rpm
[10:14] <CaWIss> Seveas, really sorry :P
[10:15] <Seveas> kakalto, something got messed up iirc
[10:15] <vinux> pgavin, it's best to call and let them ( tech support ) figure it out. They do it all day.
[10:15] <rking> how can i explore the contents (esp. the changelog) of a package without installing it?  is there a packages.ubuntu.org?
[10:16] <MikeStyle> Uhm, i plugged in my mp3 player through usb (running ubuntu) and its not recognizing it while its in removable disc mode
[10:16] <goldfish> rking: there is
[10:16] <wazdmin> anyone know the reason my mouse doesnt move that well..is it because a low memory problem maybe ?
[10:16] <barosl> rking, .com
[10:16] <vinux> pgavin, they could maybe get it on track in like 3 easy steps or maybe 15 :)
[10:16] <Blue_Summer> Seveas i just pmd you my code
[10:16] <jo> yes got it ti work xawtv
[10:16] <kakalto> Seveas, thanks
[10:16] <rking> thanks
[10:16] <djp> can anybody tell me how i change the default command line editor? by default i think vim opens when i edit my crontab etc.
[10:16] <littlefae> Help?
[10:16] <pgavin> vinux, I'm pretty sure its not something wrong w/ the printer... I forgot to mention that the first page I printed was in A4 mode (but I'm using Letter paper)
[10:16] <jo> xawtv -c /dev/video1
[10:16] <jo>  did it
[10:17] <barosl> djp, export EDITOR='/usr/bin/blah'
[10:17] <vinux> pgavin, I see said the blind man :)
[10:17] <littlefae> I think I've successfully installed my wifi card at last.  But, I did an incorrect ndiswrapper -m... Can I undo it, and then redo it correctly?
[10:17] <pgidz> wazdmin you could check system -> preferences -> mouse -> motion
[10:17] <pgavin> vinux, in A4 mode, the page starts correctly, but of course, it ends up runing of the page
[10:17] <djp> barosl: thanks
[10:17] <pgavin> vinux, s/runing/running
[10:17] <barosl> ubuntu...
[10:18] <littlefae> ?
[10:19] <wazdmin> ok..thanks pgidz
[10:19] <rking> does anyone know if the hoary libapache-mod-perl is built as a DSO?  you'd know if it is if SIGHUP reloads your code
[10:19] <littlefae> I think I've successfully installed my wifi card at last.  But, I did an incorrect ndiswrapper -m... Can I undo it, and then redo it correctly?
[10:19] <asdx> I installed hoary on 5 computers today. On a little enterprise. The employees are happy with it :)
[10:19] <barosl> is script allowed in this channel...? it is very simple;
[10:20] <FlyingSquirrel32> where can I find details on the file formating of a m$ word .doc file?
[10:20] <vinux> asdx, woot! Ubuntu will soon control the world! hehe no not really
[10:20] <Seveas> barosl, script..?
[10:20] <asdx> vinux: :)
[10:20] <barosl> hmm;
[10:20] <CaWIss> asdx, very nice , good work :P
[10:20] <asdx> thx! :) and I have money for the weekend :P
[10:20] <asdx> thx ubuntu! thx!! :D
[10:21] <FlyingSquirrel32>  asdx: did you install any type of server?
[10:21] <barosl> maybe i'm using dialect...;
[10:21] <amywilson> Ok i now can say I love kde I never used it before but I really like it
[10:21] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: microsoft.com? ;)
[10:21] <CaWIss> :D
[10:21] <Spug> how can i (gasp) rip copy controlled cds? any app that can, because sound juicer doesn't seem to be able to.
[10:21] <wazdmin> also..i am trying to install gftp application..this would be my first installation of any prgram under linux..i looked around a little bit..i downloaded the gftp.tar.gz file from the gftp webpage.. i then ran a sudo command to install it and i get this messgae E : couldnt find list apckage
[10:21] <littlefae> "Hello? :(
[10:21] <Seveas> wazdmin, you are following the bad route :)
[10:21] <barosl> littlefae, ?
[10:22] <Seveas> wazdmin, system -> administration -> package manager
[10:22] <goldfish> wazdmin: get it from the ubuntu repos.
[10:22] <barosl> i mean "script" like this;
[10:22] <littlefae> I think I've successfully installed my wifi card at last.  But, I did an incorrect ndiswrapper -m... Can I undo it, and then redo it correctly?
[10:22] <yuacht> wazdmin, sudo apt-get install gftp
[10:22] <wazdmin> ok...how do i follow the good route
[10:22] <Seveas> wazdmin, search for gftp in there
[10:22] <barosl> current desktop screenshot of barosl: http://barosl.com/pub/desktop/barosl-desktop-1120076530.jpg
[10:22] <Seveas> wazdmin, I just showed the good route ;)
[10:22] <Seveas> barosl, that is explicitely NOT allowed and will cause you to be banned...
[10:22] <pgidz> littlefae have you tried installing it again and see if it over writes what you have done
[10:22] <barosl> Seveas, aha; thanks for advising.. :-)
[10:22] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: do you really think m$ will release that info on their site, or are you pulling my leg?
[10:23] <littlefae> won't let me, says there's already a configuration for it
[10:23] <wazdmin> srry if this is a dumb question..but what exactly is a tar.gz file ext..is like a .rar on a windows machine
[10:23] <asdx> I installed slackware 10.1 for a NAT server. And Ubuntu Hoary for five desktop computers
[10:23] <CaWIss> wazdmin, did you tried synaptic
[10:23] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: they are claiming to be moving towards something XML-like, and I have no idea how far along the route they are
[10:23] <asdx> I'm thinking to replace that slackware for ubuntu as well. I have to set as NAT and Printer server...
[10:23] <fge> barosl, i hat kde but what is the font
[10:23] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: it could be in word 2003 for all I know
[10:23] <CaWIss> wazdmin, it's very esay with synaptic or apt-get
[10:23] <wazdmin> do i need to download the gftp file from there site or will get apt-get line do that for me ?
[10:23] <amywilson> ok does konqueror have java installed on it???
[10:23] <barosl> fge, aquafont for english
[10:23] <wazdmin> no i havent tried synamtec
[10:24] <CaWIss> wazdmin, apt will do it for you
[10:24] <wazdmin> ok
[10:24] <wazdmin> let me do thart
[10:24] <pgidz> littlefae try make uninstall in the ndiswrapper directory
[10:24] <wazdmin> E: Couldn't find package gftp
[10:24] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Word has a link to some stuff at the bottom of the page
[10:25] <wazdmin> i type exactly what u told me there
[10:25] <dair> good evening everbody! does anyone of you knows a free good handbook for ubuntu like freebsd has?
[10:25] <littlefae> Er no...
[10:25] <pgidz> littlefae no what
[10:25] <Garyu> none exists yet
[10:26] <barosl> what times do you have..?
[10:26] <littlefae> I need to undo the configuration it set for modprobe, not the driver
[10:26] <CaWIss> wazdmin, maybde this can help http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[10:26] <dair> garyu: do you mean "no handbook exists"; barosl: 10:30pm
[10:26] <Scarecrow_> pemo :D
[10:26] <wazdmin> kk
[10:26] <Garyu> exactlz, dair
[10:27] <Garyu> "no handbook exists"
[10:27] <CaWIss> wazdmin, and take a look at all the guide it's nice
[10:27] <jo> hm start to like urbuntu
[10:27] <barosl> who others?
[10:27] <jo> but gentoo nice to
[10:27] <js_> where can i find the helvetica font?
[10:27] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: thanks a lot.
[10:27] <Garyu> wiki.ubuntu.com could also help you
[10:27] <djm62> jo: I don't think they're competing
[10:28] <Garyu> Gentoo vs. Ubuntu Deathmatch!
[10:28] <jo> i run gentoo amd64 i hoop that urbutu wil run on it to nauw im runing ubuntu 32 bit
[10:28] <djm62> js_: package ttf-freefont
[10:28] <barosl> i like gentoo but am using ubuntu now :-)
[10:28] <Garyu> how fast can YOU install your software?
[10:28] <jo> djm62 what do you mean ?
[10:29] <barosl> i love portage of gentoo but my computer is very slow...;
[10:29] <jo> that urbuntu is better than gentoo?
[10:29] <djm62> jo: gentoo's strong points aren't ubuntu's strong points
[10:29] <pgidz> littlefae what problems have you got with the configuration
[10:29] <alberto_> I have a question, I have a laptop with an ati mobility radeon, i wanna have a big destop with my external monitor-or- 2 destops.... how can i do this//// ii been searching online about it and there is too much about it and nothing usefull... can oneone help me or point me to the rigth direction ?
[10:29] <Garyu> I don't undestand why people want to sacrifice hours on end to gain a few per cent application speed
[10:29] <littlefae> I just want my wifi to work. :'(
[10:29] <djm62> jo: I meant the opposite of that, that "better" isn't a useful concept unless you're comparing items with the same aims
[10:29] <jo> yes some thinks i like in gentoo muts more andt some in urbuntu
[10:29] <littlefae> I've spent days and lots of money, with little return.
[10:29] <wazdmin> ok..so i pretty much just copy paste over writing everything in the orginal file when editing extrarepositories
[10:30] <pgidz> littlefae what's not working on it
[10:30] <js_> how can i turn antialiased fonts on?
[10:30] <pgidz> littlefae and which card have you got
[10:30] <djm62> js_: in gnome?
[10:30] <Garyu> js_: in gnome?
[10:30] <littlefae> I can't connect.  Can't list it in networking, can't do squat.. :(
[10:30] <Garyu> Preferences > Fonts
[10:30] <djm62> Garyu: jinX!
[10:30] <Garyu> djm62: blah
[10:30] <littlefae> Ndiswrapper reports: driver present, hardware present
[10:30] <jo> but get bit tajerd of comiling did it for 2 year nauw    but dis is fun urbunto andt gentoo
[10:30] <Garyu> ;)
[10:30] <pgidz> littlefae which card are you using
[10:30] <CaWIss> wazdmin, yep
[10:31] <jo> andt vware to test other distos
[10:31] <js_> djm62, Garyu: actually, in kde
[10:31] <littlefae> Linksys WPC 11 v.4
[10:31] <jo> vmware
[10:31] <Garyu> ahum, no clue :) have xfce in front of me no
[10:31] <Garyu> now*
[10:31] <pgidz> littlefae do you know this chipset it uses
[10:31] <djm62> js_: ugh, can't help you there...maybe try #kubuntu
[10:31] <js_> yeah
[10:31] <pgidz> *the
[10:31] <littlefae> No.... How do I find out
[10:31] <jo> i find out that gentoo unstabel is running more stabel than gentoo stabel  lol
[10:32] <dieman> wow
[10:32] <Garyu> jo: :-)
[10:32] <dieman> the ntfs resizing works really well
[10:32] <pgidz> littlefae i'll see if i can find out
[10:32] <amywilson> #kubuntu
[10:32] <jo> doint no about urbuntu unstabel?
[10:32] <ompaul> dieman, but really the best partition size for ntfs is 0
[10:32] <pemo> jo sure about that ?
[10:32] <Garyu> is there a possibility to connect to irc.freenode.net via a webbrowser instead of another application?
[10:32] <jo> jub i gnm witch vrend hy run stabel gentoo
[10:33] <jo> wy talk all day
[10:33] <jo> hy get muts more error the my
[10:33] <asdx> Can I set hoary as a NAT/Printing server right?
[10:33] <jo> last time thy do muts work on amd64
[10:34] <pemo> Garyu you can but it sucks via webbrowser :(
[10:34] <Garyu> pemo: I know, but I don't have much choice
[10:34] <djm62> asdx: yeah
[10:34] <dair> join #ubuntu-de
[10:35] <wazdmin> ya i think  my mouse problem is just my lack of memory
[10:35] <dair> ups
[10:35] <wazdmin> 256mb just dont cut it anymmore
[10:35] <pemo> Garyu there is a jirc running from webservers..
[10:35] <Hurtig_> hi
[10:35] <Hurtig_> where i can put my mplayer skins?
[10:35] <Garyu> pemo: so jirc @ google could do the trick, I
[10:36] <Garyu> I'll try that then :)
[10:36] <Hurtig_> /home/xxx/.mplayer  ?
[10:36] <littlefae> Realtek RTL8180L
[10:36] <littlefae> Thats the chipset I beliebe
[10:36] <Blue_Summer> Anyone know of a free program like cedega that i can use to play steam e.t.c with?
[10:36] <Hurtig_> hey i want to now what you guys think of my desktop
[10:37] <pemo> Garyu : yes i dont know the url in my head :(
[10:37] <Hurtig_> www.kolumbus.fi/leena.valkamo/5.png
[10:37] <djm62> Blue_Summer: cedega is pretty much it...it's free from CVS if you have the hair
[10:37] <leo> i downloaded k3b so i can burn an iso to a cd
[10:37] <wazdmin> omfg
[10:37] <leo> am i on the right track?
[10:37] <wazdmin> it is too easy to install  apps on linux
[10:38] <Hurtig_> hey
[10:38] <wazdmin> or ubuntu
[10:38] <Hurtig_> where i put mplayer skins?
[10:38] <CaWIss> wazdmin, with apt or synaptic yes :D
[10:38] <wazdmin> = )
[10:38] <leo> it doesnt work 4 me
[10:38] <djm62> Hurtig_: what's your launcher at the bottom of the screen?
[10:38] <scott> anyone have the install file for Google Earth? (they've temporarily disabled downloads, and I know it's not ubuntu, but you guys are cool)
[10:38] <leo> launcher?
[10:38] <wazdmin> will the apps i installed show up for my other uers as well ?
[10:38] <Hurtig_> hehe its not launcher :)
[10:39] <djm62> leo: have you run k3b-config or whatever it's called?
[10:39] <kwilcox> Anyone have basic knowledge of the RT2500 wirless drivers that can take a look at my iwconfig and ifconfig
[10:39] <ompaul> leo, start a terminal and type k3b
[10:39] <Blue_Summer> ty djw62
[10:39] <leo> no it wont run
[10:39] <Hurtig_> its gnome bar with trancparency :)
[10:39] <epsas> should i use modconf to manage modules?
[10:39] <leo> ok
[10:39] <kwilcox> i can set a signla, but can only send packets, none are recieved
[10:40] <leo> bash: k3b: command not found
[10:40] <Hurtig_> where i put mplayer skins?
[10:40] <ompaul> leo how did you install it?
[10:40] <CaWIss> wazdmin, sorry didint try it I'm only one user :P
[10:40] <littlefae> pgidz, still there?
[10:40] <leo> i dont think i have installed it
[10:40] <CaWIss> wazdmin, but probably yes
[10:40] <leo> i got this weird zip thing and i dont know how to run it
[10:41] <pgidz> littlefae yes you could try this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16054&highlight=linksys+wpc11
[10:41] <ompaul> leo do this 'sudo apt-get install k3b' and it will be installed
[10:41] <Seveas> wazdmin, yes they will, you install them as root, the super-user
[10:41] <djm62> Hurtig_: ~/.mplayer/Skin
[10:41] <wazdmin> i made an extra user so i dont run as root all the time
[10:41] <Seveas> leo, sudo apt-get install k3b
[10:41] <leo> control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz
[10:41] <refuze2looze> wazdmin, there is no root account on ubuntu by default..
[10:41] <wazdmin> oo
[10:41] <wazdmin> lmao
[10:41] <CaWIss> wazdmin, you sudo right , so theres no root
[10:41] <refuze2looze> wazdmin, by default you can't run as root at all
[10:42] <Seveas> wazdmin: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:42] <refuze2looze> you use sudo or fakeroot
[10:42] <Seveas> read that page, it explains all :)
[10:43] <djm62> was ubuntu the first linux distro to do the "no root by default" thing?
[10:43] <pgidz> littlefae yes you could try this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16054&highlight=linksys+wpc11
[10:43] <ompaul> djm62, no I know knoppix did it :)
[10:43] <refuze2looze> djm62, i dunno for sure, but i doubt it
[10:43] <Seveas> djm62, one of the first
[10:43] <d4rksh4de> Seveas> thanks for helping me out yesterday
[10:43] <epsas> hmm - how do you guys manage your modules?
[10:43] <leo> thanks Seveas that seems to be installing good
[10:44] <Seveas> d4rksh4de, yw :)
[10:44] <cavediver> Hi. Is there a way to get irssi to display foreign characters correct both from utf8 and iso users ?
[10:44] <Seveas> cavediver, no...
[10:44] <Seveas> it's either one or the other
[10:44] <djm62> cavediver: it's not part of IRC, really
[10:44] <Hanna_> in a perfect world, everyone would use unicode.
[10:45] <djm62> cavediver: jabber is more internationalised, I think
[10:45] <Seveas> there is no way for a program to figure out which charset a line is written in...
[10:45] <Seveas> djm62, irrsi can display boty iso-xxxxx and unicode perfecly fine
[10:45] <cavediver> Hmm ok..
[10:45] <Seveas> but you cannot use 2 charsets simultaneously...
[10:46] <cavediver> i've heard something about charconv, but that involved some boring compilation :( Is there another way ?
[10:46] <Seveas> iconv
[10:46] <djm62> Seveas: what if he ran two clients?
[10:47] <Seveas> no there is no way, it's fundamentally impossible to use 2 charsets at the same time!
[10:47] <littlefae> Well, Ubuntu now sees it, but I can't do anything networky
[10:47] <Seveas> djm62, that is possible
[10:47] <djm62> :)
[10:47] <refuze2looze> cavediver, what's wrong with compiling from source?
[10:47] <pgidz> littlefae what does iwconfig give you
[10:47] <cavediver> refuze2looze: it's boring :) I want my package manager to know what's on my box.
[10:47] <littlefae> Everything I need in the way of information on the card
[10:48] <PMB> anyone available to assist regarding getting DMA setup on my DVD and DVD-RW drives?
[10:48] <cavediver> Seveas: is that possible to apt-get ? (iconv)
[10:48] <PMB> its confusing the hell out of me
[10:48] <matt__> are there newer pre-compiled kernels for ubuntu?
[10:48] <nalioth> !dma
[10:48] <Seveas> cavediver, it's on your system already...
[10:48] <pgidz> littlefae so it has a signal and is the right freq
[10:48] <Justin> TSWoodV: how's the weather? :-P
[10:48] <Seveas> cavediver, but it cannot do what you want
[10:48] <nalioth> !tell PMB about dma
[10:48] <PMB> !dma
[10:48] <cavediver> Seveas: oh i see
[10:48] <refuze2looze> cavediver, get used to compiling from source. open source is what makes linux beautiful
[10:48] <Seveas> what you want is *fundamentally impossible*
[10:48] <Hurtig_> where i put mplayer skins?
[10:48] <TSWoodV> Justin, hahahaha!  Hot, hazy, and humid here.
[10:48] <PMB> ?
[10:48] <goldfish> PMB: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/yourdvd...
[10:48] <goldfish> ?
[10:48] <littlefae> Frequency?....
[10:49] <cavediver> matt__: hoary no, breezy yes.
[10:49] <Seveas> Hurtig_, you already got an answer to that...
[10:49] <matt__> im too n00b to compile, and im on a 266mhz :(
[10:49] <typo> where can I get instructions on how to install ubuntu with raid+lvm?
[10:49] <pgidz> littlefae yes
[10:49] <matt__> im on hoary
[10:49] <matt__> why not in hoary?
[10:49] <vinux> so is breezy stable yet?
[10:49] <SirGir> vinux, no.
[10:49] <djm62> Hurtig_: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/gui.html
[10:50] <kwilcox> HELP!  Whenever I try to run a program from a menu, it prompts me for my password.. both root password and my user password don't work... i can only access the programs through 'su' in the terminal!
[10:50] <littlefae> And how do I know which to use?
[10:50] <TSWoodV> Whassup with breezy?  Hoary was much more stable at this point...
[10:50] <matt__> why isnt there updated pre-compiled kernels for hoary?
[10:50] <Seveas> TSWoodV, not really
[10:50] <pgidz> littlefae you need to find out what your router or modem is set to ie what channel
[10:50] <Seveas> in december hoary was not that usable
[10:50] <refuze2looze> matt__, it's not difficult to compile from source
[10:50] <djm62> TSWoodV: even meta-stability isn't guaranteed
[10:50] <littlefae> And, er, how?
[10:50] <TSWoodV> Seveas, ran hoary early on a Tosh lappy with little to no problems along the way.
[10:51] <Hurtig_> exit
[10:51] <matt__> refuze2looze, it would take ages, im on  a 266mhz laptop :(
[10:51] <Seveas> TSWoodV, and breezy introduces a lot more high-impact changes than hoary...
[10:51] <djm62> matt__: there are security updates only
[10:51] <TSWoodV> djm62, understood.
[10:51] <matt__> :(
[10:51] <jasoncohen> how can ubuntu include dvdrip in multiverse if ubuntu doesn't package transcode? if a user is using backport extra's this isn't a problem, but don't packages need to have all dependencies satisfied?
[10:51] <pgidz> littlefae hard wire to your router/modem and the enter the ip address and in the setup screen it will tell you somewhere
[10:51] <refuze2looze> matt__, to compile the kernel you mean? just stick to the ones on the hoary repository
[10:52] <djm62> matt__: why do you need a later kernel?
[10:52] <matt__> yeah, but there is a bug i think thats stopping my prism54 w/lan card from working
[10:52] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, that was due to a last minute error
[10:52] <refuze2looze> matt__, are u sure the bug is in the kernel?
[10:52] <matt__> well a guy on #prism54 is pretty sure it is
[10:52] <djm62> matt__: have you seen an updated kernel which claims to fix that problem, or are you just hoping that that was the problem, and that it's been fixed?
[10:53] <PMB> ok, trying to enable dma on both optical drives (they both support them in windows). Now when I try to activate it via hdparm I get a message "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device".
[10:53] <matt__> well i think it would have been fixed as this guy on #prism54 knows about it
[10:53] <djm62> kernel compile on 266 is do-able, if you can leave your box alone for a few hours
[10:54] <Seveas> PMB, amd motherboard?
[10:54] <refuze2looze> djm62, do you think he might screw up some dependancies?
[10:54] <Poromies> matt__: you can dl kernelimages from breezy reps if needed, just edit sources.conf to breezy, apt-get update (NOTE: dont upgrade, or you will have very unstable breezy system then), use synaptic to choose the suitable kerne-image to install, then modify sources back to  hoary
[10:55] <matt__> i think thats too complicated for me, im very new to *nix
[10:55] <Poromies> ive done that (xpres 200 chipset is getting even close-to-working support at kernel 2.6.12)
[10:55] <djm62> matt__: it's certainly beyond the scope of this chatroom...
[10:56] <kjon> I need help (please!)... I've installed ubuntu on my WinXP Virtual machine. I got sound from there, but I can't play music... Why?
[10:56] <kjon> (and I wan't to watch anime.... onegai!!!)
[10:56] <Blue_Summer> lol
[10:57] <Garyu> I have a relatively old videocard (Nvidia Riva TNT2, 32Mb) in my system, but was able to run a 'quite decent' game of Unreal Tournament. How would I go about in Ubuntu to install OpenGL drivers? Or are they already installed?
[10:57] <kjon> any hint??? help me!
[10:57] <kjon> t-T
[10:57] <refuze2looze> kjon, do you have the codecs installed
[10:58] <yuacht> kjon, prolly no codecs
[10:58] <ys76> Garyu: You may have a look at the wiki and search for nvidia...
[10:58] <yuacht> Garyu, i think the nvidia-glx package supports it yes
[10:58] <refuze2looze> Garyu, in a terminal type glxinfo |direct rendering
[10:58] <refuze2looze> what does it say
[10:58] <Brokenpipe> I have an ATI Radeon 9800, and I followed these instructions, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557 , but I -still- get "Mesa GLX" from fglrxinfo. Any help here?
[10:59] <refuze2looze> i mean...
[10:59] <kjon> I've just downloaded VLC.
[10:59] <kjon> VLC worked fine in my virtual fedora core 3, however... it doesn't on ubuntu...
[10:59] <yuacht> refuze2looze, that only answers if it's enabled right?
[10:59] <refuze2looze> Garathor, glxinfo |grep direct
[10:59] <yuacht> kjon, compile yourself
[10:59] <tonkar> scurse me ..., someone knows how to delete grub having no problems with winXP ?
[10:59] <refuze2looze> yuacht, it answers whether or not you have 3d acceleration enabled
[10:59] <matt__> Poromies where is sources.conf ?
[11:00] <Seveas> matt__, it's /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:00] <yuacht> refuze2looze, right, and he needed the drivers
[11:00] <refuze2looze> that message was for Garyu not Garathor ...
[11:00] <Seveas> tonkar, you don't want to run Linux anymore..?
[11:00] <matt__> ok, thanks
[11:00] <refuze2looze> yuacht, opengl is installed in ubuntu by default
[11:00] <tonkar> mmm ..... yes i want
[11:01] <kjon> how can I get sure that I've installed the audio codecs?
[11:01] <yuacht> refuze2looze, okay
[11:01] <yuacht> kjon, wait a sec
[11:01] <refuze2looze> yuacht, if 3d acceleration is disabled, he must need the nvidia driverws
[11:01] <tonkar> but i need one of my two hdd
[11:01] <tonkar> for another compute
[11:02] <Seveas> tonkar, grub can boot windows XP to, so why delete it..?
[11:02] <matt__> Is it hard to compile a kernel?
[11:02] <Seveas> matt__, not really
[11:02] <djm62> matt__: it's intimidating the first couple of times, but there are guides available on the net and in magazines
[11:02] <tonkar> mmm ... i don't know, but i don't want to have problems when i extract my hdd
[11:02] <Garyu> yuacht: a bit late reply from me, but thanks :). You were right, it's supported by the glx-drivers
[11:02] <littlefae> This is crummy
[11:03] <eduardo> somebody from chile?
[11:03] <Seveas> djm62, on Ubunto compiling the kernel is a breeze :)
[11:03] <yuacht> kjon, install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[11:03] <yuacht> it's in the universe
[11:03] <tonkar> chile!
[11:03] <pgidz> littlefae what is crummy ?
[11:03] <littlefae> Why can other people get theirs working, and not me? :'(
[11:03] <yuacht> Garyu, np ;)
[11:03] <littlefae> I am apparently connected to the router, as it has picked up it's MAC number
[11:03] <littlefae> But I can't ping anything
[11:03] <djm62> Seveas: something beyond kernel-package?
[11:03] <yuacht> littlefae, got any firewall running?
[11:04] <Seveas> djm62, no, just kernel-package
[11:04] <Seveas> kernel-package is easy :)
[11:04] <littlefae> Only on the router itself, from the outside world
[11:04] <pgidz> littlefae have you checked system > admin > networking
[11:04] <djm62> Seveas: from a newbie perspective, not so much
[11:04] <yuacht> getting the right ip and stuff like that?
[11:04] <BadTrash> newb question... good ftp proggie to run on ubuntu? want to upload a screencap to show peeps in the other server?
[11:05] <pgidz> littlefae try that and see if you are using dhcp to get your ip address
[11:05] <BadTrash> err -1 ? or so :)
[11:05] <tonkar> Seveas? would i have problems if i extract my hdd without doing anything, or should i modify something in grub.conf?
[11:05] <djm62> BadTrash: menu Places->Connect to Server
[11:05] <BadTrash> ahh thanks DJm62... first day with Ubuntu
[11:06] <yuacht> BadTrash, try gFTP, super easy
[11:06] <yuacht> BadTrash, sudo apt-get install gftp
[11:06] <BadTrash> Well I use smartftp normally so I found out that does not work on here :)
[11:06] <Seveas> BadTrash, places -> connect to server
[11:06] <Seveas> easiest FTP client possible...
[11:07] <BadTrash> so I see
[11:09] <BadTrash> thanks
[11:09] <matt__> Hey, my pcmcia card isnt detected, anyone know why? when i insert it dmesg reports: PCI: device 0000:05:00.0 has unknown header type 7f, ignoring.
[11:10] <djp> can anyone tell me where the .emacs folder is created when i run emacs from the command line?
[11:10] <Seveas> in your homedir
[11:10] <tonkar> someone knows how can i extract one of my hdds without havinng problems with my winxp who is in the main hdd? i'm using grub ...
[11:10] <matt__> Hey, my pcmcia card isnt detected, anyone know why? when i insert it dmesg reports: PCI: device 0000:05:00.0 has unknown header type 7f, ignoring.
[11:11] <goldfish> ....
[11:11] <djp> it has not created itself. i ran emacs from the command line and it opened in windowed mode, however all i did was close it would this be why no .emacs folder was created?
[11:11] <Seveas> tonkar, I don't understand what you want to do, do you want to physically remove a disk?
[11:11] <tonkar> yes
[11:12] <tonkar> scuse me for my bad english
[11:12] <Seveas> if it is not the primary master (aka C: in windows) it should not be that big a deal
[11:12] <vinux> Hey any of you guys have a copy of the ubuntu DVD.iso on hand? I would like to download it from you :)
[11:12] <yuacht> vinux, why not use main site?
[11:12] <Seveas> vinux, release.ubuntu.com
[11:12] <djp> Seveas: it has not created itself. i ran emacs from the command line and it opened in windowed mode, however all i did was close it would this be why no .emacs folder was created?
[11:13] <vinux> yuacht, it's bittorrent isn't working for me
[11:13] <Seveas> djp, might be...
[11:13] <tonkar> mmm ....., but it is not necesary to modyfi some grub configuration file?
[11:13] <tonkar> maybe menu.lst?
[11:13] <Seveas> tonkar, not if you don't re-plug the other drives
[11:14] <zenlunatic> does chatzilla come with firefox?
[11:14] <deliad> hello
[11:14] <pedingto> chatzilla is an extension
[11:14] <pedingto> You can install it via addons.
[11:14] <tonkar> ok .... i will try, thanks a lot ;)
[11:14] <deliad> i am new in linux and in abuntu
[11:14] <matt__> Hey, my pcmcia card isnt detected, anyone know why? when i insert it dmesg reports: PCI: device 0000:05:00.0 has unknown header type 7f, ignoring
[11:14] <Seveas> zenlunatic, you will need to install it separately
[11:14] <deliad> i am looking for a irc client that support hebrew fonts
[11:14] <Seveas> matt__: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[11:15] <matt__> ok thanks
[11:15] <Seveas> deliad, try xchat, it has full unicode support
[11:15] <matt__> i thought my router had crashed
[11:15] <mai> does anyone in here use cacti?
[11:17] <deliad> hmm my friend says that in mirc (windows windows) that he see gebresh and if he write to me i see too
[11:17] <IFRFLYR> Here's something weird: I can't reach google with Firefox on this machine; but every time I try my firewall reports an attempt to get in on 72.14.207.104. What gives?
[11:17] <svennglenn> Newbie question: Is it possible to write python code i Bluefish and compile/run it with a keyboard command (from Bluefish)?
[11:18] <fge> svennglenn, use anjuta or kdevelop for that
[11:18] <Ghostbone> IFRFLYR check your local host file
[11:18] <fge> they are really good
[11:18] <IFRFLYR> Hmmm.
[11:18] <Ghostbone> ah well night people : )
[11:19] <svennglenn> fge: Do they work with Gnome?
[11:19] <IFRFLYR> Well. checking local host file reveals nothing
[11:19] <fge> svennglenn, anjuta is designed for gnome programming
[11:19] <IFRFLYR> Anyone have any idea?
[11:20] <fge> with anjuta and glade,you can code a gnome gui to your python app svennglenn
[11:20] <deliad> does ubuntu have a firewall or i need to install if i need, what to choose?
[11:20] <IFRFLYR> I mean, does google kick something back at anyone else from 72.14.207.104 or 72.14.207.99?
[11:20] <Burgundavia> deliad, no and if you need one, try firestarter
[11:20] <IFRFLYR> deliad, firestarter
[11:20] <Burgundavia> deliad, it will setup your firewall
[11:21] <deliad> tnx bro
[11:22] <remyforbes777> does deliad use a gui
[11:22] <IFRFLYR> Okay, I'll rephrase: All of a sudden, I am noticing that when I try to reach google using FF on ubuntu, my firestarter firewall complains of inbound hits from 72.14.207.104 and 72.14.207.99. Can anyone explain this ?
[11:22] <svennglenn> fge: I've installed Anjuta now, but how do I set it to compile my code with Python?
[11:23] <ScislaC> I have my machine usually running two accounts at the same time, is it possible to VNC into the account that is not currently the "active" one? or is there any other way to achieve this? (basically being remotely logged on to my account while someone else is sitting at the comp in their account)
[11:23] <Seveas> IFRFLYR, on which port?
[11:23] <IFRFLYR> Seveas, wicked high ones, like 35648, 3564*
[11:23] <rrc23> Hello, I want to configure my monitor for 800*600 , and when I try do doing via the System>Preferences>Screen resolution   it is blocked at 640*400. How can I change it. My monitor supports 800*600 resolution. Thank you
[11:23] <holycow> vnc?
[11:23] <remyforbes777> im sorry does firestarter use a gui, i said deliad lol
[11:23] <holycow> ScislaC, just install xnest
[11:24] <IFRFLYR> remyforbes777 yes it does.
[11:24] <Seveas> IFRFLYR, that is just the data from the website coming back to you!
[11:24] <holycow> ScislaC, and log in using that to as many accounts as you want
[11:24] <yuacht> rrc23, your xconfig
[11:24] <IFRFLYR> Right. I wonder why Firestarter has all of a sudden stopped allowing this, Seveas!
[11:24] <remyforbes777> ifrflyr: does it need a gui
[11:24] <Seveas> IFRFLYR, probably because you told it to ;)
[11:24] <tonkar> Seveas: i just tried to disconnect the hdd wich i need and it don't wanted to start
[11:24] <IFRFLYR> DOH!
[11:24] <IFRFLYR> :)
[11:24] <rrc23> where is xconfig?I am completely new. What part of the menu is it in?
[11:24] <tonkar> any idea?
[11:25] <svennglenn> Does anyone know how I can set Anjuta to compile my python sourcecode?
[11:25] <pgidz> svennglenn you don't need to compile python source code
[11:26] <GNULinuxer> svennglenn: COMPILE PYTHON!
[11:26] <ScislaC> thanks holycow
[11:26] <nikkia> pgavin: and its done automatically anyway
[11:26] <svennglenn> How do I run my python sourcecode in Anjuta then?
[11:26] <pgidz> svennglenn you can run it from the CLI
[11:27] <IFRFLYR> Seveas - and why only google?
[11:27] <GNULinuxer> svennglenn: python is high level, object oriented, interpreted language with dynamic semantic
[11:27] <IFRFLYR> All other sites work just peachy.
[11:27] <nikkia> GNULinuxer: no, its a bytecode interpreted language
[11:27] <tonkar> i read somewhere that i should to add this lines i think to menu.lst?
[11:27] <IFRFLYR> I checked and I had not told firestarter to single out google.c
[11:27] <GNULinuxer> nikkia: Not always
[11:27] <tonkar> rootnoverify (hd1,0)
[11:27] <tonkar> chainloader +1
[11:27] <tonkar> makeactive
[11:27] <tonkar> boot
[11:27] <GNULinuxer> nikkia: only when you import a module
[11:27] <gilvi> join#ubuntu-es
[11:27] <nikkia> GNULinuxer: its always compiled to bytecode internally
[11:28] <nikkia> GNULinuxer: the only exception is *sometimes* when you use evaluation
[11:28] <Seveas> the bytecode just isn't always saved :)
[11:28] <nikkia> Seveas: exactly
[11:28] <ateves> erm GAIM or other messenger do not download the AIM or ICQ contactlists anymore. could this be an OS or connection error?
[11:28] <svennglenn> pgidz: I want to write my code in Anjuta and then run it in Python via anjuta
[11:28] <nikkia> Seveas: its like how many lisp implementations compile to machine code, just don't save it
[11:28] <GNULinuxer> nikkia: thanks for the info ...
[11:28] <deliad> remyforbes777- which pkg to download from the site?
[11:29] <nikkia> GNULinuxer: you actually have to work pretty hard to make python run as a pure interpreter :)
[11:29] <GNULinuxer> nikkia: hehe
[11:29] <zenlunatic> whats the difference between abiword-gnome and abiword
[11:29] <nikkia> there are certain code structures that cause it, when you evaluate them as strings
[11:30] <nikkia> (might be stuff that involves if/then/else
[11:30] <pgidz> svennglenn why would you want to run it via anjuta
[11:30] <tonkar> seveas, what you think that will happen if i execute fdisk /mbr from an bootdisk?
[11:30] <nikkia> as i said earlier, i like python, its just not fast enough for some stuff *sigh*
[11:31] <remyforbes777> does firestarter replace iptables
[11:31] <metzen> remyforbes777: firestarted uses iptables
[11:31] <matt__> Hey, does anyone know what this means and or how to fix it?
[11:31] <matt__> PCI: Probing PCI hardware
[11:31] <matt__> PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00)
[11:31] <matt__> PCI: Using IRQ router PIIX/ICH [8086/7110]  at 0000:00:07.0
[11:31] <matt__> PCI: IRQ 0 for device 0000:00:02.0 doesn't match PIRQ mask - try pci=usepirqmask
[11:31] <matt__> PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 0000:00:02.0
[11:31] <matt__> PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 0000:00:03.0
[11:31] <matt__> PCI: IRQ 0 for device 0000:00:02.1 doesn't match PIRQ mask - try pci=usepirqmask
[11:32] <matt__> PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 0000:00:02.1
[11:32] <matt__> PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 0000:00:05.0
[11:32] <matt__> 
[11:32] <Seveas> matt__, you are dead
[11:32] <Seveas> I warned you before not to paste in here
[11:32] <metzen> matt__: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:32] <nalioth> muffled AND rolled out the door
[11:32] <nalioth> wow
[11:33] <Seveas> yeah, silencing is faster :)
[11:34] <catch> I'm trying to set up wine, I have an dual boot to windows XP. I'm being told that I need to remove a Resolution line from the config file and edit the registry with an entry about log pixels. Does anyone know what a reasonable value for the log pixels is?
[11:34] <catch> google wasn't a lot of help
[11:34] <yuacht> catch, why do you wanna remove the resolution problem?
[11:34] <yuacht> *line
[11:34] <yuacht> not problem :p
[11:34] <holycow> catch, that doesn't sound right
[11:34] <holycow> infact
[11:35] <catch> yuacht : because it tells me to :)
[11:35] <holycow> i wouldn't be doing any of that
[11:35] <holycow> what tells you to?
[11:35] <yuacht> word
[11:35] <catch> wine does, when i run it with several different programs
[11:35] <catch> and it wont start
[11:35] <deliad> how to install the firestarter
[11:35] <holycow> sudo apt-get install firestarter
[11:35] <yuacht> deliad, sudo apt-get install firestarter
[11:36] <yuacht> ahhh almost beat you there holycow  :D
[11:36] <holycow> :)
[11:36] <holycow> <-- l33tcow
[11:36] <holycow> -_-
[11:36] <yuacht> cows are cool
[11:36] <Seveas> moo
[11:37] <tonkar> look, i'm trying to remove phisically one of my hdd but i have problems with booting windows, i think it is because grub. What do you think?
[11:37] <catch> do either of you have a decent config? the auto one doesn't seem to have done a great job of it
[11:37] <remyforbes777> can you use firestarter on the command line
[11:37] <Seveas> remyforbes777, no, on the commandline you use iptables :)
[11:37] <Burgundavia> remyforbes777, you can use iptables on the command line
[11:37] <remyforbes777> ok
[11:37] <nalioth> deliad: check this out http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[11:38] <nalioth> remyforbes777: you can check the above URL, also
[11:38] <tonkar> quit
[11:40] <catch> do you guys use a paste bin or anything so i can show you the error message wine is fiving me?
[11:41] <yuacht> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:41] <yuacht> in topic
[11:41] <yuacht> :=
[11:41] <pointwood> have ubuntu stopped making delicious desktop wallpapers?
[11:41] <Seveas> pointwood, yes
[11:41] <pointwood> why?
[11:42] <pointwood> :(
[11:42] <Seveas> dunno, there was no announcement
[11:43] <pointwood> :(
[11:44] <nalioth> pointwood: that project is probably open for maintaining/packaging
[11:44] <pointwood> :D
[11:44] <nalioth> Seveas could take the calendar project over, but he only likes panoramas of IBM Fab 12
[11:45] <LinuxJones> Hello
[11:45] <Seveas> *drool*
[11:46] <joseph> Anyone know my mpg123 doesn't work on ubuntu?
[11:46] <catch> yuacht or holycow : http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/311 is the error I get from wine
[11:46] <Seveas> try mpg321
[11:47] <Seveas> mpg123 wants to use alsa
[11:47] <joseph> That doesn't work either...
[11:47] <Seveas> try esdplay then :)
[11:47] <joseph> plus, i need 123 for asterisk
[11:47] <catch> I get other errors if i try to start other things, I'm wanting, mainly to run picassa but don't have that installed to test with atm, but would also be nice to get other stuff working
[11:47] <Seveas> try mpg123 -o ed
[11:47] <Seveas> try mpg123 -o esd
[11:47] <joseph> huh... why wouldn't chuser work? it doesn't find it.
[11:47] <holycow> catch, may i suggest trying jabber before wasting any more time on this?
[11:48] <holycow> it has support for yaho, msn, and other services?
[11:48] <Blissex> Seveas: it is usually better to recommend 'mpg321' than 'mpg123'
[11:48] <Seveas> Blissex, i know...
[11:48] <Seveas> But look at what he wrote..
[11:48] <zyth> Seveas, what, I can't get my ubuntupr0n anymores?!
[11:48] <metzen> is catch trying to run yahoo messenger on linux?
[11:48] <Blissex> Seveas: as you said above, but dont encourage him
[11:48] <joseph> I keCan't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?)ep getting
[11:48] <joseph> When I run mpg321 I get   Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?)
[11:48] <yuacht> catch: GAIM works well too
[11:48] <catch> I'm not trying to run messenger, it's just an example of the error I'm getting
[11:48] <Seveas> joseph, you need to run with with the -o esd switch
[11:49] <Blissex> joseph: you dont' need 'mpg123' for Asterisk. Just create a symbolic link from 'mpg321' as 'mpg123', it is totally compatible.
[11:49] <joseph> I did...
[11:49] <catch> I amready running GAIM
[11:49] <catch> and prefer it
[11:49] <zyth> catch, http://messenger.yahoo.com/messenger/download/unix.html
[11:49] <Seveas> Blissex, that is what the mpg321 package does actually ;)
[11:49] <joseph> Blissex, I can't get mpg321 to work either... lol
[11:49] <metzen> what do you need yahoo for?
[11:49] <Blissex> joseph: probably your sound card does not support hw sharing./
[11:49] <joseph> hmmm
[11:49] <Seveas> Blissex, that is not needed
[11:49] <Seveas> Ubuntu uses esd
[11:49] <catch> oh FFS I AM NOT WANTING TO RUN YAHOO I AM ONLY DOING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT'S GOING WRONG WITH WINE
[11:49] <Seveas> mpg321 can do that too
[11:49] <joseph> so how do I unshare my hardware?
[11:49] <nalioth> zyth: take over the project
[11:49] <yuacht> catch, lol, no need to yell :)
[11:49] <Blissex> joseph: consider reading carefully the sharing and app configuration sections of http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2
[11:50] <Seveas> catch, please watch your CAPS
[11:50] <jo> <option name="V4LDevice" value="/dev/video1"/> for tvtime on myn pc
[11:50] <jo> 0 is webcam
[11:50] <Blissex> Seveas: 'esd' is used if the app is configured to use it :-)
[11:50] <Seveas> Blissex, that does not apply...
[11:50] <joseph> argh... I can run multiple audio and video streams with things like xmmms, but mpg321 doesn't want to work.
[11:50] <yuacht> catch, try installing wine from cvs
[11:50] <zyth> nalioth, I lack suitable models ;)
[11:50] <Seveas> On ubuntu hoary you cannot use alsa directly
[11:50] <Seveas> joseph, did you read what I wrote?
[11:51] <zyth> catch, the wine debs from winehq work fine, I even have world of warcraft running 100% fine.  You might try those.
[11:51] <cmatheson> joseph: install mpg321 esd or pipe it through esddsp
[11:51] <holycow> catch, i'm sorry i don't know how to regedit a wine install, it sounded when you first described the problem as if someone gave you some deliberately bad advice
[11:51] <joseph> seveas, I did... but I am pretty sure it can share because I use multiple sound output programs at once.
[11:51] <joseph> cmath?
[11:51] <Seveas> joseph, did you try mpg321 -o esd
[11:51] <joseph> ISeveas, I did.
[11:51] <holycow> didn't want you to hose a partition or some such
[11:51] <Seveas> ah ok
[11:51] <joseph> Crud, I hate to ditch this and go back to mandrake... sheesh...
[11:51] <Seveas> that works fine here...
[11:51] <Seveas> joseph, are you running KDE perhaps?
[11:52] <joseph> not that I know of.
[11:52] <catch> zyth : cheers I'll try that, if I were to PM you my email addy would it be possible for you to send me a copy of your config file?
[11:52] <zyth> catch, I can toss it up on pastebin if you want, or I could email it to you, whichever
[11:52] <Seveas> joseph, what does `pidof esd` say?
[11:52] <catch> patebin would be cool
[11:53] <zyth> k, one sec
[11:53] <joseph> 6992
[11:53] <Seveas> ok, so it is running...
[11:53] <terje> joseph, mpg123 works fine for me on ubuntu
[11:53] <cmatheson> joseph: if all else fails just run mpg321 | esddsp
[11:53] <terje> I just installed it and it's playing some stuff right now.
[11:53] <cmatheson> joseph: yeah, you could install the mpg123-esd package... although i hear that the license is more evil or something like that (could be here-say)
[11:53] <joseph> harumph...
[11:53] <cmatheson> er, hear-say?
[11:54] <terje> joseph, did you install using apt-get?
[11:54] <terje> perhaps you're missing a dep.
[11:54] <joseph> terje, yes.
[11:54] <terje> eh.
[11:54] <joseph> I did apt-get install mpg321
[11:54] <vinux> Anybody know when ubuntu is going to bring gnomebaker back?
[11:54] <terje> is there an error msg?
[11:54] <Seveas> joseph, so did I and it works smoothly...
[11:54] <zyth> catch, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/312
[11:54] <joseph> Yup   Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?)
[11:54] <yuacht> vinux, what do you mean, bring back?
[11:54] <terje> ah
[11:55] <vinux> yuacht I cant' find it in apt-get or synaptic
[11:55] <zyth> catch, is that the config you needed?
[11:55] <yuacht> vinux, hmm, i can
[11:55] <vinux> yuacht, really? try it now
[11:55] <Seveas> joseph, try mpg321 -o alsa
[11:55] <zyth> !repositories
[11:55] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:55] <yuacht> vinux, i found it in the universe repo and i reloaded 2 secs ago :=)
[11:55] <joseph> Seveas, it looks like it is playing, but no sound is coming out.
[11:56] <terje> is the volume up? :)
[11:56] <joseph> lol... yeah...
[11:56] <vinux> yuacht, hey send me your source list :)
[11:56] <joseph> Wait... for alsa... uh... huh...
[11:56] <terje> you laugh, but I was not getting sound for a couple of days before I realized I had my volume down.
[11:56] <terje> lol
[11:56] <nalioth> Seveas: please send vinux the "source"
[11:56] <Seveas> joseph, it is hanging, not playing :)
[11:57] <Seveas> but I justt wanted to know whether that works
[11:57] <yuacht> vinux, it's simply the usual file with universe/multiverse/backports enabled
[11:57] <joseph> Volume is up.
[11:57] <Seveas> vinux: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:57] <joseph> seveas, I think so.
[11:57] <vinux> yuacht, well maybe I just did it wrong
[11:57] <Seveas> joseph, mpg321 -o arts
[11:57] <Seveas> does that work perhaps?
[11:58] <joseph> Seveas, nope.
[11:58] <leo> im still having trouble installing cdrecord properly
[11:58] <joseph> I get all my other players to work ok.
[11:58] <joseph> Just this one.
[11:59] <vinux> k thanks Seveas and yuacht
[11:59] <leo> all i have is a text file
[11:59] <leo> and some other text file
[11:59] <pgidz> leo how are you trying to install it
[11:59] <yuacht> vinux, anytime
[11:59] <leo> i got it from a website
[11:59] <terje> joseph, perhaps: apt-get update && apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:59] <pgidz> leo why not apt-get it instead
[11:59] <terje> I needed that to get mp3's working on my box.
[11:59] <joseph> gstreamer is working fine.
[12:00] <catch> zyth : cheers that's great :)
[12:00] <leo> bcause i don't understand what to write