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Riddelluniq: how's it going?12:39
uniqinstalling. livecd is slow when it comes to installing new packages and things like that :)12:40
uniqthat's why the compiling has been so slow.12:40
uniqi just don't have time to re-install and fix everything for my dad again.. that's why i'm doing it this stupid way.12:41
uniqi'll give him the machine friday. so no time.12:42
Riddellyou're very kind to your father, giving him an amd64 and aa12:42
uniqoh.. he is paying alright :)12:42
uniqa little.. like 50% of it's value or sometihng :)12:43
uniqi'm thinking of buying a new amd64.. probably a desktop.. or maybe changing my server from p4 to amd64. 12:44
uniqkio-apt for testing if you want: http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/kio-apt/12:50
uniqi'm thinking of replacing the KDE+debian logo in the upper left corner on the search page. with a kubutu logo.12:51
RiddellI like how frode.kde.no has a kubuntu favicon :)12:52
uniqi changed the server from sarge to ubuntu yesterday :)12:52
uniqi like to think of it as kubuntu, without kde :)12:52
Riddellboth the logo and the icon should be kubuntu for kio-apt12:54
uniqyes.12:54
uniqit needs some kubuntu branding.12:54
uniqdo you have a logo that could fit in the upper left corner? 12:59
Riddellnot to hand but KubuntuArtwork has the logo01:00
uniqok. thanks.01:00
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Riddell"kubuntufied by Frode"  nice word :)01:15
uniq:)01:15
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uniqhmm.. what about just removing the whole blue thing on top of the apt:/ page, and add the "[logo]  kubuntu" png from KubuntuArtwork ?01:20
uniqwould that be a simple-and-lazy solution? 01:20
Riddelluniq: well there's text that needs to go there01:21
uniqright.01:21
Riddellbut if you can fit both in and it still looks sensible that's all good01:21
uniqi was just thiking it's probably enought blue.. not everyone uses the default blue theme.01:22
Riddelluniq: I get a compile error list.cpp01:22
Riddellparsers.h:19: error: extra ';'01:22
uniqwhere? 01:23
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uniqah.. found it.01:23
uniqbreezy? 01:24
uniqi've been building it on hoary.01:26
Riddellgcc 4 will catch you like that01:26
uniqyeah.. i'll make it compile on breezy too.01:27
uniqdid you look at the changes i made to kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-default-settings? 01:27
Riddelluniq: nope, where are they?01:28
uniqhttp://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/01:29
Riddelldon't see them01:29
uniqunder breezy01:29
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uniqafter you've checked them they should be uploaded to breezy. imho. kubuntu-desktop in breezy leaves ksmserver out. meaning kde doesn't show up in the sessions list.. among other things.01:31
uniqand the kubuntu-default-setting is to make kuser start adding users at uid and gid 1000 instead of 500. (marked as major in bugzilla) i'm looking for the bug-number now.01:31
uniq#1185401:32
Mezuniq.... it adds them at 500 for me02:16
Mezbut my original user was added as 1000 (though I did edit the number to make my second user 1001)02:17
uniqmez: the default-settings doesn't override your users kuserrc02:17
Mez??02:18
Mezwhen i use kuser - it tries to add them from 500.02:18
Mezmy default user Id for my user created on install was 100002:18
Mezso i manually changed the second user to 100102:18
Mezmez:x:1000:1000:Mez:/home/mez:/bin/bash02:18
Mezemily:x:1001:500:Emily Davies:/home/emily:/bin/bash02:18
Mezah02:18
Mezlol @ gid for emiluy02:19
Mezemily *02:19
uniqremove /root/.kde/share/config/kuserrc, install my kubuntu-default-settings from http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/breezy/ and try to add a user.02:19
Riddellthere was a girl at my school called Emily Davies02:19
Mezreally Riddell? well I doubt it's the same one, my Emily's not scottish :D02:20
Mezuniq - my kuserrc just has the following in ti02:21
Mez[MainWindow] 02:21
MezHeight 768=76902:21
MezWidth 1024=102502:21
RiddellMez: ask her if she ran off with Lumpy.  just to be sure02:21
Mezor, easier - Riddell - is this hwer02:22
Mezhttp://www.deviantart.com/deviation/18525171/02:22
Riddellno not her02:24
cartel_Mez shes cute02:27
cartel_wd02:27
uniqmez: did you install my kubuntu-default-settings .deb ? - i still get gid and uid 1000+ with a kuserrc with the info you pasted.02:29
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cartel_but if all linux developers had cute girlfriends i doubt we'd have very good distros, since gfs are very good at sucking up free time02:29
uniqriddell: kde 3.4.1 installed nicely on amd64. and kde started fine too. haven't played arround very much yet though.02:45
uniqi really have to go to bed now. 0245 already. work in 6 hours.02:45
uniqgood night.02:46
Mezlol @ cartel :D Mark shuttleworth has a cute gf :D03:32
Mezcartel_, *03:33
Mezhehe :D and I'm  glad to say so do i :D03:33
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froudAfrican greetings08:50
froudwhere do I find a list of targets for Kubuntu so I can start with Kubuntu Release Notes?08:53
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froud-workIs it safe to upgrade Kubuntu hoary to breezy yet ? :-)10:46
haggaifroud-work: only if you can boot into console or reach the machine over the network, and run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ; sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart' if X doesn't come up after the upgrade10:57
froud-work:-) Ok so that xorg stuff is still broken10:57
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\sh*censoredswear*01:29
\shwhy can't they release a bloody snapshot with an updated changelog01:29
Riddell\sh: who?01:32
\shpython-kde01:32
\shthey released a new snapshot..no changelog update nothing..and the patches are also not inside01:33
Riddellevil01:35
\shthat means, I'm using the new snapshot, applying the patches again, and uploading it to ubuntu, again not nice, but if this is working correctly, i don't mind01:36
\shRiddell: btw..i patched a bit of kdepim ;)01:38
Riddell\sh: your kdepim patch is number 2 on my todo list below uniq's ksmserver fix01:41
Riddell\sh: did we get anything uploaded with review day?01:41
\shRiddell: well, i think I didn't do it correctly, cause I didn't have the two arrows in my akregator..there were no toolbar actions in akregator_part.rc01:42
\shRiddell: dunno...i have to check01:42
\shI'm too busy right now with some other stuff (office)...and trying to do everything, is not possible ;)01:43
Riddell\sh: can you give me an account on REVU?01:53
\shRiddell: siretart can..send him your gpg key , username is email addr, and a password01:53
\shRiddell: i'm trying to move REVU to my box right now, and implementing the test build process01:54
\shand this tool is really nice, for more ideas ;)01:54
Riddellfroud-work: not sure what you mean by targets but the spec if on the UDU wiki01:55
Riddells/if/is/01:55
\sh"Kubuntu KDE Packaging Day -> Package your favorite KDE app, which is not in Kubuntu, and send them to us" ,-)01:55
uniqhello.01:57
uniqhttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8768 - NOTABUG? 01:58
Riddelluniq: konqueror overrides the desktop/file manager icons size02:00
uniqi know, but it's not a bug? 02:00
Riddellseems to be a usability issue02:00
Riddellif the kcontrol module says file manager icon size then I'd expect that to set file manager icon size02:00
RiddellI guess it should be reported to KDE02:01
uniqok. should i make a bugreport on bugs.kde.org? 02:05
\shRiddell: i will try to get my main upload right for kde stuff in the next few weeks...02:07
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Riddelluniq: yeah that would be good02:11
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uniqwe should get kubuntu into the list of distributions on the bugs.kde.org :)02:19
Riddelluniq: I've asked, they need us to ship with kdelibs ./configure --disto=kubuntu which hoary isn't02:25
uniqah. ok.02:26
uniqnow, bug reported to upstream. should i change it to UPSTREAM or leave it as new? 02:29
uniqi'll change it to upstream, we cant fix everything.02:30
Riddelluniq: yes upstream, thanks02:31
Riddelluniq: and put in the URL of the upstream bugzilla entry02:32
uniqdoing so. ops.. spelinmiiiisakes in my upstream bugreport.. ohwel. :)02:32
uniqhttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1113002:35
uniqsomething for kubuntu-default-setting in breezy.02:35
Riddelluniq: yep02:37
Riddelluniq: want to investigate or shall I?02:37
uniqi can fix that.02:37
uniqyou can do more advanced stuff :)02:37
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JReuniq: the news reader is akregator ?03:36
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RiddellJRe: I think it means KNode03:37
JReRiddell: mm so in that case i can't reproduce this bug03:37
RiddellI don't have knode showing by default in Kontact, I had to turn it on03:38
JReRiddell: ha okay ;)03:38
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JReRiddell: it was a simlpe bug ;)03:38
uniqriddell: new kubuntu-default-settings at http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/breezy03:39
JReuniq: wow that was fast!03:40
uniqworks here.. tested on 2 clean and new accounts.03:40
uniqjre: it's a two-line fix :)03:40
JReuniq: )03:40
JRe:)03:40
uniqplease test.03:40
uniqthe package will install cleanly on hoary too.03:40
uniqriddell: and.. i've fixed the compile issues with kio-apt. new version is at the same location.03:41
uniqthat's breezy/03:41
uniqjust need to figure out how to add images to a diff.. and it'll be branded too.03:42
Riddelluniq: that is always a pain03:43
Riddellyou need to uuencode things03:43
uniqugh.03:44
Riddellthen depending on your patch system you can just uudecode directly in debian/rules and copy the file to the correct place03:44
Riddelluniq: or you could just use the SVG file03:44
uniqi use dpatch and cdbs+debhelper.mk03:44
uniqno.. actually.. no cdbs for this package.03:44
Riddellprobably need to uudecode and cp (and rm it with clean)03:45
uniqok.03:46
uniqanyone got a clue on how to fix the 'administrator mode' problem in control center? 03:47
JReuniq: mmm what is this problem?03:47
uniqone of kubuntus major problems atm.03:47
JReuniq: there is a bug report i can read?03:48
JReuniq: okay got the report03:48
uniqhttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=868103:49
JReuniq: it does not do that anymore with the 3.4.1 packages of hoary, right ?03:50
uniqyes it does.03:51
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JRemmm that work fine for me03:56
uniqhi froud, sorry i don't have your package ready yet. i'll resume my work on it now.03:56
frouduniq: np, when you are ready03:57
uniqjre: yes, on my machine too. but at my kubuntu laptop at work it's not working.03:57
JReuniq: mmm strange03:58
uniqwhaat. now it works on that laptop too.03:58
uniqi opend 'visudo' and closed it just saving the file with no changes.03:58
uniqahh.. figured it out.04:00
uniqif i deleted /root/.kde it won't work. stops at 'Loading...'04:00
uniqif i start kcontrol as root once. it works every time.04:00
uniqcan you confirm this? 04:01
JRei try04:02
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JRehum deleted /root/.kde04:03
JRedon't work04:03
uniqhumn.. ok.. then i didn't figure it out.04:04
JReError: "/var/tmp/kdecache-jre" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.04:04
uniqi just got that too.04:04
JReuniq: i confirm everything you said :)04:06
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JReuniq: it does not even prompt for the root password before working now04:06
uniqsame for me.04:06
JReuniq: do you think it's a KDE related problem ?04:07
JReuniq: it seems to come from the kdecache, no?04:08
uniqdon't know. because that error was when starting kcontrol from sudo.04:09
JReyes04:11
uniqi think it's kdesu04:11
uniqwhen i try to run 'kdesu kcontrol' from the commandline it doesn't ask for my password.04:12
uniqjust standing there waiting.04:12
uniqok. now it works again.04:16
JRekdesu -u root kcontrol does not asked me a passwird too04:16
uniqi think kdesu is confused by the fact that sudo keeps the password for 15 min.04:17
JRewe have to chrono the bug ;)04:18
uniqif you try to add: timestamp_timeout=0 to the end of the line starting with Defaults, in 'visudo'04:18
uniqand then try to reproduce.04:18
JReuniq: how now it works fine!04:21
uniqcan anyone else confirm this?04:21
JReuniq: i'll try tonight to see if that bug happens also on debian04:23
uniqok.04:24
uniqriddell: still here? 04:24
JReuniq: i don't see this kind of bug in bugs.debian.org04:26
uniqThey don't use sudo.04:26
uniqand su doesn't keep passwords.04:26
JReuniq: yes and unstable have 3.304:27
uniqi posted a comment on bugzilla, hoping for some feedback and testing.04:29
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Riddelluniq: hi04:52
uniqriddell: i announced amd64 packages on the kubuntu-users list. fyi. 04:53
uniqriddell: hi.04:53
uniqriddell: forgot what i was going to ask. sorry to bother you.04:56
Riddell:)04:58
uniqfyi, i've changed 11130 to PENDINGUPLOAD. (kontact defaults)04:59
uniqsame goes for 11854  (kuser uid/gid)05:01
uniqit's all kubuntu-default-settings05:01
RiddellI've already uploaded kuser, you can mark that as done05:02
uniqkuser? you mean kubuntu-default-settings? 05:02
Riddellyes05:03
uniqok. i just updated the package. then the version number needs to be changed.05:03
uniqriddell: 0.2 at http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/breezy/kubuntu-default-settings/05:22
JReanyone now if MIT license is compatible with GPL ?05:23
RiddellJRe: depends which one05:23
JReRiddell: the X11 one05:24
RiddellJRe: again, depends which one :)05:24
RiddellJRe: generally yes but there are versions with silly advertising caluses05:24
Riddellclauses05:25
uniqhttp://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html05:26
JReRiddell, uniq: okay thanks!05:28
m-foxelahi, anything new on the missing files in kdepim-wizards on http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde34105:30
m-foxela?05:30
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Riddellm-foxela: I'm building fixed packages now05:34
Riddelljust for you05:34
m-foxelathank you :) 05:35
m-foxelawanna try kolab 2.005:35
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Riddelluniq: kio-apt looks good05:58
Riddelluniq: add the names and descriptions of the patches to changelog05:58
Riddelluniq: add the homepage to control 05:58
uniqok, thanks for looking at it.05:59
Riddelluniq: mention that you added libxi-dev in changelog too06:00
uniqwill do.06:00
Riddelluniq: add a kubuntu favicon and web page logo and it'll be sorted06:00
uniqyes, master :)06:01
uniqi'm thinking maybe we should add a 16x16 kubuntu icon to kdebase-data or something.06:02
uniqcould be useful for other apps too.06:02
uniqfor kio-apt i will add a kubuntu 16x16 icon named kioapt06:02
RiddellI'm probably changing the System icon to have a wee kubuntu logo in it06:02
uniqnice :)06:02
Riddelldid pef finish his datakiosk package?06:04
uniqnot as far as i know.06:05
uniqhe found a few things to fix last time he was here.06:05
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m-foxhuhu07:14
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uniqhi froud. I'm working on the kubuntu-docs package now.08:05
uniqgot a question. should ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com be listed as maintainer? 08:06
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m-foxHi, the new kdepim packages work fine with kolab2. Riddell, thank you for compiling and uploding.08:08
uniqi'll say thanks for the feed back on behalf of riddell (if he's not around?)08:11
uniqfroud: ping.08:12
froudpong08:12
uniqhi.08:12
uniqcan you read a few lines back please? a question for you.08:12
froudmaintainer, yes08:12
froudubuntu-doc@ is fine08:12
uniqok. great.08:13
uniqis there a way you would like to separate the docs into -faq, -installation, etc?08:15
uniqor should it all go into one package? 08:15
froudHmm, not really just one package08:16
froudwhat have you included08:16
uniqI included everything in build/kde for now.08:16
froudAh ha, I see Ok we will only package some stuff08:17
froudhere comes the list08:17
uniqok.. it's ready.08:17
uniq(the list)08:17
frouduser guide, install guide, quick guide, release notes08:17
froudfaq will not go in (maybe later)08:18
frouduniq: I actually question the sanity of doing install guide08:19
uniqi questioned it too.08:19
froudsince user will have it installed08:19
uniqyes.08:19
froudbut08:19
uniqand it is huge.. with the pictures and all.08:19
froudit does make sense to put it on the root of the cd in a readme folder :-)08:19
uniqsure.08:20
frouduniq: actually it is better as a PDF08:20
uniqyes.08:20
froudI can add a build for pdf08:20
froudbut that will require apache fop08:20
froudits ok for me08:20
froudbut I dunno about everyone08:20
uniqhmm. i don't think we need it in the package. we need it for the cd :)08:20
froudyes, what do you suggest?08:21
froudI can do the PDF and somebody can add it to the cd08:21
uniqwould be great.08:21
froudOK I will create a FOP transformation08:22
froudbut will keep it commented out in the make file08:22
froudsince not everyones system will be setup for fop08:22
uniqI edit the makefile anyway. for the package.08:23
froudHmm you do08:23
uniqor.. did i.. 08:23
frouddo we need to change the Makefile08:23
uniqit'll be a patch in any case.08:23
froudwhy not just add it to our svn08:24
froudmakes sense that we have a package make target08:24
uniqoh.. i just added clean: \n rm -rf $(KBASE)08:25
uniqand. 08:25
uniqchanged: '08:25
uniqXSLTPROC=/usr/bin/xsltproc08:25
uniqto  XSLTPROC=$(shell which xsltproc)08:25
froudOK, is it the XSLTPROC constant needed08:26
froudsurely the system should just find it08:26
froudits in the path08:26
froudno biggie08:27
froudso what will the procedure be to ensure that the PDF gets onto the CD08:28
uniqi'll add a maketarget named 'kdeb' to make only the docs that should be included in the package.08:28
froudOK that will make it easy for all08:29
uniqmail the pdf or a link to the pdf to riddell.08:29
froudI will add it to lnix/~froud08:29
uniqok :)08:29
froudbut near release he is bound to forget :-)08:30
uniqwe'll have to remind him then :)08:30
uniqhow big will the pdf be? 08:30
frouddunno, but much smaller that the current payload08:30
frouds/that/than08:30
uniqabout kubuntu should be in the package, or? 08:31
froudoops yes08:31
froud:-)08:31
uniqso, user guide, quick guide, release notes, about kubuntu08:32
frouduser guide, install guide, quick guide, release notes, about kubuntu08:32
uniqthat's the list.08:32
froudsnap08:32
uniq:)08:32
frouduser guide, quick guide, release notes, about kubuntu08:32
froudgood08:32
uniqok.08:32
uniqinstall guide goes on the cd. not in the package.08:32
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uniqdo that :)08:33
froudyep08:33
hungerMuch happening with kubuntu recently! nice, guys.09:06
uniqriddell: we should consider signing the kubuntu.org packages somehow. lots of people are questioning the issue.09:17
frouduniq: i probably should not out the pdf in build/kde/kubuntu-install/C right?10:34
uniqwell. why not? 10:35
frouduniq: if I do it will be packaged won't it?10:39
uniqno.10:39
uniqnot if you make it it's own makefile target.10:39
froudHmm true, OK payload is 570.5 KB :-) as PDF10:40
uniqnice. then space isn't a reason for not including it on the cd :)10:40
froudconsider it is not complete so this may change10:41
uniqsure. but it won't grow to 50M :)10:42
froudno, not chance :-)10:42
froudbut we should also remove the instal images once we have a PDF10:43
froudthat will reduce the size of the package10:43
froudas you can see, the docs are designed to reuse images10:44
froudso all images get cp to images/10:44
froudincluding the ones from the install guide10:44
froudthere is an image list file so we can easily id the files and remove them10:45
uniqi've seen it, it's great.10:45
frouddo you want to be able to build the pdf10:46
uniqwould be nice to have a target in the makefile.10:46
froudsvn up10:46
froudbut it wont work without a toolchain setup10:47
uniqcan the packages needed easily be apt-get'ed? 10:47
froudyou need java, apache fop, saxon10:47
froudthis is my classpath10:47
froudecho $CLASSPATH10:47
froud:/usr/java/saxon-6.5.3/saxon.jar:/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/extensions/saxon651.jar:/usr/java/fop-0.20.5/build/fop.jar:/usr/java/fop-0.20.5/lib/batik.jar:/usr/java/fop-0.20.5/lib/xalan-2.4.1.jar:/usr/java/fop-0.20.5/lib/xercesImpl-2.2.1.jar:/usr/java/fop-0.20.5/lib/JimiProClasses.jar:/usr/java/fop-0.20.5/lib/avalon-framework-cvs-20020806.jar10:47
uniqah.. ok.. then it's not "possible" to automate it.. 10:48
uniqfor a package.. that is.10:48
froudOh and JimiProClasses.jar must be downloaded from sun10:48
froudno there is no easy install10:49
froud:-(10:49
froudI think you can apt-get sunjava10:50
uniqnot on all architectures. 10:50
uniqi'm on powerpc and i can only get ibm java 1.4.. 10:50
froudgeeze I wish k/ubuntu has proper java integration10:51
froudpdf of Kubuntu Install guide now available from http://www.lnix.net/~froud/10:59
uniqgreat.11:03
uniqand i have a .deb ready.11:18
uniqkubuntu-docs_0.1-0_all.deb :)11:18
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uniqfroud: for the .desktop files in /usr/share/apps/khelpcenter/plugins/kubuntu - please leave out the Name[cc] = if they are blank.11:36
uniqusers with that languagesetup will get blank names in khelpcenter :)11:36
uniqsame goes for .directory11:38
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hungerWould it be possible to have both kde and gnome use /usr/share/backgrounds for their wallpapers? (or usr/share/wallpapers, whatever, just have them store their backgrounds in the same place, please.)11:41
uniqwhere are gnome storing their wallpapers? 11:46
hungeruniq: Gnome uses /usr/share/backgrounds.11:46
uniqok.11:46
hungeruniq: And Installs only one (in two versions). KDE installs dozends.11:47
hungerOK, of to bed I go... see you tomorrow.11:47
frouduniq: ok off th ephone11:50
froud[23:29]  <uniq> froud: for the .desktop files in /usr/share/apps/khelpcenter/plugins/kubuntu - please leave out the Name[cc] = if they are blank.11:51
froudI think th eppl at i18n must translate those11:51
frouduniq: you want me to delete them in the interim?11:52
froud[23:12]  <uniq> and i have a .deb ready.11:52
froud[23:12]  <uniq> kubuntu-docs_0.1-0_all.deb :)11:52
frouduniq: can you give me the dir or a patch11:52
uniqsure. i'll tar the dir for you.11:53
froudok you have my email11:53
uniqi want you to delete the lines with blank description.11:53
froudsure np11:54
frouduniq: svn commit -m * delete untranslated names aboutkubuntu.desktop kquickguide.desktop kreleasenotes.desktop kuserguide.desktop11:57
uniqdont forget .directory11:57
froudsvn commit -m * delete untranslated names kubuntu/.directory11:58
froudall done :-)11:58
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froudok I am calling it a night12:01
frouduniq:  I will get the tar in the morning12:01
uniqgive it 2 mins and you get the dir and the makefile.12:01
froudok12:01
uniqok, uploaded to http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/kubuntu-docs/12:03
uniqthere, now you can go to sleep :)12:04
froudthanks12:05

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