=== Mez [~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu [12:03] nikkia: so i can X the box out and it will save? [12:03] huh? [12:04] sorry i didnt understand what you meant [12:04] so in the konsole type :x and it will save and close? [12:04] yes [12:04] assuming you're in command mode in vi [12:04] how do i get in "command mode" hehe [12:04] escape [12:05] thank you nikkia === KaiL [KaiL@p548F630B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === aseigo_home [~aseigo@S01060050da7e3039.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu === aseigo_home is now known as aseigo === tibal [~tibal@82.232.88.10] has joined #kubuntu === claydoh [user101@65.99.187.239] has joined #kubuntu === monchy [monchy@S010600e04c400007.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:18] damn === _pointwood [~pointwood@212.242.222.232] has joined #kubuntu [12:18] installing stuff is way easier than i thought hehe [12:25] grrrr [12:25] why is it, every time a new java release happens, it looks a bit more gnome like than the last? [12:26] nikkia: sun [12:28] each time my tabs in eclipse get a little squarer, and the menu/toolbar background gets a little greyer, and it annoys me === Shuddertrix [Andrew@user-0cdv20p.cable.mindspring.com] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] === KaiL [KaiL@p548F7A73.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === lexhider [~lexhider@dip-220-235-87-71.vic.westnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu === JensK [~JensK@p5490395F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === dolny [~dolny@102-195.echostar.pl] has joined #kubuntu [12:54] Hi [12:55] Kinda bored, show your desktops people ;) [12:55] http://www.echostar.pl/~dolny/ubu/zrzut17.jpg [12:58] ok :/ [01:00] I'll show, just you wait [01:04] http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_056.png [01:04] I should change my background again, too light [01:06] very nice === _tibal [~tibal@82.232.88.10] has joined #kubuntu [01:06] i couldnt get the konsole to be [01:06] borderless [01:06] if anyone has ideas for sane artwork for next kubuntu that would be good [01:06] me neither [01:06] thats why i use gnome terminal under kde :/ [01:06] so wat do you use? [01:06] for transparent console [01:06] Eterm [01:06] Riddell: sane? [01:07] and what do you use for the system monitor stats on the right upper corner? [01:07] dolny: torsmo [01:07] Tm_T: meaning your and dolny's screenshots are all very nice but arn't suitable for default settings [01:07] Riddell: ah yes [01:07] (not meaning to imply that your settings are insane though :) [01:08] sanity [01:08] :) [01:08] Riddell: don't worry -- I'll make that implication [01:08] i would use the badger from ubuntuforums [01:08] its great [01:08] ok im going to search for torsmo, brb [01:09] http://torsmo.sourceforge.net/ [01:10] yeah apt-getting it :) [01:10] but 0.17... [01:10] ill download the newer one i think [01:10] Riddell: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/graphics/ubuntu-oma2-beta-5.png [01:11] anyway, how can i make my gnome-terminal/eterm sticky ? so its stays on desktop behind all windows when i choose another window to be active? because the terminal minimises instead of staying on the desktop. [01:11] Tm_T: too dark, would work if it was transparant [01:11] Tm_T: is there an SVG of that? === Mez [~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu [01:12] I wish Konversation had a transparency option like Xchat for example [01:12] Tm_T: plus it needs to use the kubuntu logo not the ubuntu one [01:16] Riddell: yes, see beta in filename === dolny [~dolny@102-195.echostar.pl] has joined #kubuntu [01:17] Riddell: I did tha't back then when I was starting to use gimp as my workhorse [01:17] Riddell: I will do svg soon, It was in my plans anyway :) [01:18] Ok, it is 01:16 here - time to get some sleep. PS. How do you make the blue irssi 'borders' black? :-) Suppose nobody haven't checked that ;-) Good night. [01:18] Riddell: what you think about this one as an idea: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/graphics/kapsi002.png [01:19] Tm_T: ooh nice [01:20] Tm_T: needs to be transparant and SVG [01:20] Riddell: uh, I'll add it to my todo list [01:22] :) === Shuddertrix [Andrew@user-0cdv20p.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu === bodly [~jirussel@adsl-66-143-165-174.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:23] Riddell: any deadlines for suggestions? [01:23] like, before end of august or so? [01:24] yes I guess august is about when a decision should be made [01:24] ok [01:29] guys [01:29] one question [01:29] i installed torsmo from deb package [01:29] and i cant find the config file, its not in .torsmo and .torsmorc [01:30] locate torsmo doesn't help [01:30] o_O [01:30] what can i do? [01:30] uh [01:30] dolny: a) install it from sources (you get newer) === Mez [~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu [01:31] b) get http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/temp/torsmorc.sample and http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/temp/torsmorc-temp and use them ;) [01:32] well the deb package was over 0.18 so its new. [01:32] gonna checkem :) [01:33] there should also be a sample file in /usr/share/torsmo or /usr/share/doc/torsmo if it's been packaged well [01:34] hm i checked your screenshot002, nice transparent menu, i didn't knew its possible [01:34] uh [01:35] xosd is funny [01:35] OMG this OS kicks so much ass [01:35] lol [01:36] :) ? [01:36] i just walked through this guide.... http://ubuntuguide.org/ and installed all the stuff i wanted [01:36] very very helpful [01:36] especially for a new guy like me [01:36] :) Kubuntu rocks [01:37] i installed it over a month ago as my last attempt to linux [01:37] yah [01:37] and now its my primary system, i will boot windows in order to play half life 2 [01:37] years ago i tried RedHat and SuSe [01:37] some day in the future ;] [01:37] then recently i installed MEPIS [01:37] debian rules, ubuntu is even more better and kubuntu is even more betterest [01:38] lol [01:38] yah Kubuntu pwns [01:38] and we are all geeks, who are going to die single. [01:38] erm... or not? [01:38] ;] [01:38] and hey dolny... there is a program that will let you play HL2 on linux [01:38] i'm gonna get it soon [01:38] yeah i know [01:38] fixing up my desktop first though [01:38] i play other games through cedega [01:38] HL2 is awesome... beat it months ago [01:38] but hl2 is too damn slow [01:38] right.... thats the one [01:38] cedega [01:39] well i want to install it in order to play mods [01:39] well you need killer hardware to run HL2 smoothly [01:39] guess nobody liked that geeks joke ;) seems i need to get some sleep [01:39] yah i'm a TFC (team fortress classic) clan guy [01:39] i love that HL mod [01:39] i really like [01:39] WU = Wu Tang [01:39] hl1 mod: battle grounds [01:40] hmm never played it [01:40] i only played CS and TFC [01:40] and i hated CS... to many idiots [01:40] TFC had more skillz involved [01:40] ppst. #kubuntu :) [01:40] hahaha [01:40] yah yah.. this talk is reserved for gamesurge and gamesnet serbers ;) [01:40] yeah CS sucks, ok sorry :) [01:41] lol but hey, no one is asking for help heheh just makin convresation [01:41] hehehe [01:41] not to be an asshole or anything.. but well.. you know :) [01:41] ok [01:41] so... [01:41] erm... [01:41] I love my Kubuntu [01:41] ;] [01:41] :) [01:41] yah my Kubuntu Box rocks [01:41] ha, say that 10 times fast === monchy [monchy@S010600e04c400007.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu === _manuel [~manuel@213.231.68.70] has joined #kubuntu [01:48] ok i got a help question [01:48] what is a .rpm file? [01:48] redhat package manager file. [01:48] i just downloaded LimeWirePro for linux and its a .rpm file [01:48] shit [01:48] so it wont work with Kubuntu? [01:49] you can try to convert it with alien. [01:49] search for 'alien' in kynaptic. [01:49] would that be a smart move though? [01:49] well.. sometimes it works.. sometimes not. [01:50] alien works great about 1/3 of the time, halfass about 1/3 of the time and not at all about 1/3 of the time [01:50] it's not good practice for everything. [01:50] my package manager says alien 8.5 is already installed [01:50] where do i find it? ;) [01:50] go to the commandline. [01:50] alien -d package.rpm [01:51] oh... thanks [01:53] ok [01:53] it converted successfully i guess [01:53] made limewire-pro_4.8.1-1_i386 [01:53] .deb that is hehe [01:53] so whats the best way to install a .deb file? [01:53] apt-get install limewire-pro_4.8.1-1_i386.deb ?? [01:54] then sudo dpkg -i package.deb [01:54] ok [01:54] you need java to make limewire work. === Ahmuck [~chatzilla@24.225.23.102] has joined #kubuntu [01:54] ?? java [01:54] i already have java [01:54] [java] take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java [01:54] ok. [01:54] :) [01:54] mmm... java.... [01:56] Unpacking limewire-pro (from limewire-pro_4.8.1-1_i386.deb) ... [01:56] Setting up limewire-pro (4.8.1-1) ... [01:56] brydenn@Brydenn:~/Desktop$ [01:56] is that all its supposed to do? [01:57] haha sweet [01:57] yah i guess thats all [01:58] i already had limewire (regular) installed [01:58] and now it's PRO [01:58] weeeee [01:58] cool [01:58] bye bye nag screen hehe [01:58] bye. [01:59] oh.. nag screen :) [01:59] hahah [02:00] ok can someone explain to me why XMMS doesnt have any PRESETS to select from by default? [02:00] how disappointing :( [02:00] try beep-media-player [02:00] !! beep [02:00] No match for "*beep*" [02:00] beep is better than XMMS? [02:01] beep is a port of xmms to gtk2 [02:01] english... lol [02:01] hehe. it's a different version of xmms. basically the same thing [02:02] hmm ok hehe [02:02] i'll google it up [02:02] :) === CavalierBob [~bob@c-24-4-128-79.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:02] you can get if from www.rarewares.org === Entonian [~Entonian@h-68-167-251-18.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #Kubuntu [02:03] it's also in the universe repository [02:03] !learn beep-media-player xmms gtk2 clone. you can get it from the universe using kynaptic or similar tools. Homepage: http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/BMP_Homepage [02:03] Inprinted beep-media-player (memory injection successful) [02:04] oh, kinfo's a bot. duh [02:04] uniq, clone's the wrong word there [02:04] its a fork of xmms [02:04] nikkia: ok, feel free to !relearn [02:04] :) [02:04] everyone have access to the bot. [02:05] cba tbh [02:05] cba? [02:05] can't be, and you can guess the rest [02:06] !relearn beep-media-player a fork of xmms, using gtk2. you can get it from the universe using kynaptic or similar tools. Homepage: http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/BMP_Homepage [02:06] [beep-media-player] has a different meaning to me now [02:06] better? :) [02:06] yeah [02:07] except... [02:07] is that the real homepage, or a mirror? [02:07] first hit on google. [02:07] ah, beepmp.sourceforge.net redirects to there (odd, firefox doesn't display the changed url) [02:07] looks like it's the real. [02:08] !relearn beep-media-player a fork of xmms, using gtk2. you can get it from the universe using kynaptic or similar tools. Homepage: http://beepmp.sourceforge.net [02:08] [beep-media-player] has a different meaning to me now [02:08] there. [02:09] hmm, firefox does show the redirected url, how odd [02:09] i was there earlier, and it stayed as 'beepmp.sourceforge.net' [02:09] there again, sf.net has been utter crud this week, i know, that's nothing new... [02:11] Brydenn[WU] : to answer your (much) earlier question, yes, generally, its better than xmms [02:11] lol [02:11] ok well i have it installed [02:11] there are a few areas where bmp utterly sucks, like it lacks any kind of IPv6 support for streaming [02:11] now how do i make it double size so i dont have to be like 3in from the screen [02:12] (altho, why on earth streaming is STILL left to the plugins, is anyone's guess, that was a major design flaw of winamp *and* xmms) [02:12] personally, I love amarok as a media player. but that's just me [02:12] i like amarok too. [02:12] i like amarok, but i cba to hack it to support AAC files :P [02:13] and noone else seems to be in a hurry either [02:13] haven't used it much for streaming though [02:13] bodily, amarok does 'ok' for streaming [02:13] it doesn't do as well as xmms tho [02:13] especially on sites like live365 where cookies are used [02:14] i wasn't too impressed with streaming when I first tried it, but that was a way early version [02:15] lol anyone? hahaha how do you make BEEP bigger so i can see it better? [02:15] Brydenn[WU] : use a different theme [02:15] there's an option to make it double sized there somewhere. at least there is in xmms [02:15] but most of them are about the same size [02:15] the theme will really change its size? [02:16] well this is tiny as hell heh [02:16] yah i saw the option in XMMS [02:16] Brydenn[WU] : some are bigger, but most seem to be the same size [02:16] but dont see it on this one [02:16] try ctl + D === JayParadise [~james@cpe-024-211-050-039.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:16] sorry bodly nuttin happened :( [02:16] bummer [02:17] Brydenn[WU] : the config files are (almost) identical [02:17] so you can just copy the double-size config parameter into the .bmp/config file and see what happens [02:18] (which is.... absolutely nothing) [02:18] hmm [02:18] ok [02:18] haha [02:21] hmmm [02:21] seems that there was a bug in 'shaded' mode with double size... [02:22] so rather than fix it, they disabled double size mode, 2 versions ago === eolo [~eolo@d83-176-81-123.cust.tele2.it] has joined #kubuntu [02:26] hi! someone can help me to update my debian installation with apt [02:26] eolo: sure, are you having a problem, or just want to know how to do it? [02:26] just to know how to do it [02:27] alright, well -- you can use a graphical tool such as Kynaptic [02:27] but, I prefer apt directly, it gives you some flexibility [02:27] how do i set internet source for kynaptics [02:28] simple process (all run through sudo): "sudo apt-get update" updates the list of new packages, once that's done, "sudo apt-get upgrade" will automatically install all of the newest versions of software you curently have installed === Yales [~Yale@pcp09967972pcs.narlington.nj.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:28] shall i close all applications? [02:28] no [02:28] no need [02:28] just open a terminal [02:29] what do you guys think is better... Kopete or gAIM? [02:29] Brydenn[WU] : depends on your needs, really [02:29] Impossibile ottenere il lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) [02:29] Impossibile ottenere il lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) [02:29] eolo: close Kynaptic [02:29] well my only needs are to talk to the people on AIM and Yahoo [02:30] thanks [02:30] Brydenn[WU] : well ... that may sound simple to you -- but gaim and kopete are in very different stages of development, and you need to decide which is more important to you === _luke [~luke@216.26.251.48] has joined #kubuntu === _luke [~luke@216.26.251.48] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [02:30] well what is more important? [02:30] what do you mean [02:31] Kopete is integrated into KDE, has a qt interface, and is generally nicer to work with than gaim -- however, there are far more plugins for gaim, and its support of file transfers, and protocol specifics is far more advanced than kopete, since it's been in development for much longer [02:31] basically gaim works better but kopete is prettier [02:31] I use gaim, but would love to be using kopete -- and will switch as soon as kopete gets some of their protocol code to actually work well [02:31] i've done an installation from a single cd and i would like to install some more thngs... [02:32] k thanks guys [02:32] I use Kopete now [02:32] eolo: after doing "sudo apt-get update" (which you should have already done) -- doing "sudo apt-get install PACKAGENAME" where PACKAGENAME is the name of the package you wish to install, will install it [02:32] because I _try_ to develop it :p [02:32] yah i dont do much file transfering on Yahoo etc [02:32] so maybe Kopete is better heh [02:32] ... for me [02:33] Brydenn[WU] : still ... kopete lacks a lot of protocol implementation [02:33] thanks again, where 's a list of debian packages (organized) [02:33] for example, it refuses to let you put yourself on your buddy list [02:33] eolo: you can do as godsmoke says, or try the kynaptic package manager if you want a graphical interface. [02:33] I'd use kopete, but it absolutely sucks trying to use it through the firewall at work [02:33] and it doesn't let you turn off away/idle reporting [02:33] bodly: kopete has nothing to do with a firewall ... [02:33] eolo: packages.ubuntu.com or in kynaptic [02:33] no more than any other chat client does [02:33] uniq: we already discussed that [02:33] thanks godsmoke [02:34] godsmoke: gaim supports proxies, kopete doesn't [02:34] godsmoke: oh. ok, i'm just pretending to be active in here. :) [02:34] I am waiting to use kopete -- and will enjoy using it when it meets my needs [02:34] I love their xml templates [02:34] their logging system couldn't be worse though [02:35] I really like kopete's integration with the kde addressbook. it's great for keeping track of people at work [02:36] yes, as discussed, kopete is written for kde integration [02:36] but, that's not important when the thing doesn't conform to protocols [02:37] my kinaptic knows very few packages, he's a newbie as i am? [02:37] I think bringing kopete in to kde proper was a mistake. It is in too early a development stage and needs more frequent updates than the KDE release schedule allows === apokryphos [~dw@host-84-9-109-200.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:38] bodly: agreed [02:38] but it looks promising [02:38] brb === Ayreon [Ayreon@142-165-63-238.regn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #Kubuntu [02:41] my kynaptic knows very few packages, it seem i have to change some config!! === Optikal_ [~Optikal@pool-70-17-125-166.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu === Optikal_ [~Optikal@pool-70-17-125-166.res.east.verizon.net] has left #kubuntu [] [02:41] eolo: alright ... well both kynaptic and apt get their package sources from the same file [02:41] /etc/apt/sources.list [02:41] shall i add something [02:42] depends on what you have already [02:42] eolo: yes, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list uncomment the lines mentioning universe. [02:42] I don't use kynaptic === monchy [monchy@S010600e04c400007.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:42] ?? uncomment [02:42] [uncomment] remove the # at the start of a line. [02:43] you can also get some good information by reading [02:43] ?? restrictedformats [02:43] [restrictedformats] Descriptions on how to add support for non-free multimedia-formats and java things can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats [02:43] ok!!!!!!! it works [02:44] maybe i'm missing it... but is there a way to SIGN IN invisibly under Yahoo using gAIM ? [02:44] thanks uniq and godsmoke [02:44] Brydenn[WU] : yes -- but I don't think kopete or gaim support it [02:44] crap [02:44] gaim might -- I didn't check [02:44] ok... ya i didnt think so either [02:45] i just dont see anything in the options, etc [02:45] gaim DOES support invisible [02:46] well, good night people. [02:46] at least in oscar (aim) [02:46] from login? [02:46] http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php#q53 [02:46] these are the kinds of things that make kopete nowhere near ready for production [02:47] well uhm [02:47] you can go invisible yes [02:47] but i want to be invisible from the START... not set it after i look available [02:47] in windows yahoo you can login invisible from the start [02:47] then use windows [02:47] haha F that [02:47] hehe i'll figure something out ;) thanks godsmoke === unome [~unome@ool-43513903.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:04] how can i tell to apt-get to install even required dependencies [03:08] -f [03:09] don't you hate it when people ask a question then leave before you can answer? 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[05:05] well, I'm sorry [05:05] fix it === ookii [~ookii@pcp04395065pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:07] any package that works for ubuntu works for kubuntu right? (except for maybe some gnome centric ones?) [05:08] godsmoke, and how would i make a screenshot with mplayer? [05:09] just take a screenshot ... [05:09] like you would any other time [05:09] ookii: kubuntu is not a separate system === Shuddertrix [Andrew@user-0cdv20p.cable.mindspring.com] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [05:09] ookii: kubuntu is an installer, and a set of kde-related packages to be used in conjunction with ubuntu [05:09] godsmoke: thought so, thanks for the confirmation [05:10] apparently debian doesn't support xorg or something [05:10] uh ... [05:10] which i want, so i have to reinstall kubunut, which i killed after an ubuntu person said i should just go to debian [05:10] yeah, it's not a matter of support [05:10] it's really a political issue [05:10] there's plenty of unofficial xorg repositories for debian [05:11] godsmoke: i love ubuntu, it's just that there aren't as many precompiled packages out there it seems, i need things to be easy! (which it looks like they won't be) [05:11] ubuntu has the same packages debian does [05:11] that's what `universe` is for [05:12] godsmoke: i hear most of them work, but not all [05:12] and/or `multiverse` [05:12] that doesn't really make sense [05:12] the one! [05:12] http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/albumit/00/gates.jpg [05:12] ;p [05:12] Tm_T: that image ... is roughly 6 years old [05:12] but thank you for reintroducing it [05:13] lol i watched the balmer touting windows 1.0 today, that is some freaky stuff [05:13] anyway, so now i'm more confused [05:13] yes it's old, I saw it first time 4 years ago [05:13] anyway -- let's leave the gates-bashing out of here [05:14] godsmoke: so the point of ubuntu is roughly so the stuff is setup in the first place, and it's easier and prettier to use [05:14] godsmoke: because if i can get xorg for debian, i'm not really seeing the difference, but then again i'm a total noob [05:14] ookii: you don't need to lecture me on the point of ubuntu -- I never challenged that [05:14] godsmoke: no no i'm asking [05:15] your an ornery guy huh godsmoke lol [05:15] well ... I'm not one to create a mission statement for ubuntu -- but my general understanding is that ubuntu was created so that reliable, regular updates, with corporate support, as well as a focused, managed set of packages would be available === Shuddertrix [Andrew@user-0cdv20p.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu [05:16] monchy: nope [05:16] a lot of people aren't happy about the way debian was/is run -- some of those people are ubuntu supporters [05:24] sorry about the delay. anyway what specifically aren't people happy about? === sproingie is getting very very unhappy about linux, and can sum it up in one word: kswapd [05:26]