| fabbione | morning | 06:26 |
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| lamont | g'night | 11:06 |
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| jbailey | g'm all | 01:39 |
| fabbione | hey jbailey | 01:40 |
| JaneW | hi jbailey | 01:40 |
| fabbione | we found the sparc kernel problem! | 01:41 |
| fabbione | look at your inbox ;) | 01:41 |
| jbailey | Nice catch. That's... not where I would've expected the problem to be. =) | 01:42 |
| jbailey | JaneW: Doing some kernel hacking today? =) | 01:46 |
| JaneW | jbailey: yeah ;) | 01:48 |
| jbailey | Excellent! | 01:48 |
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| JaneW | heh | 01:52 |
| fabbione | jbailey: i think i started tickling BenC again :) | 01:55 |
| fabbione | this time it was him searching for me ;) | 01:55 |
| jbailey | Cool. | 01:55 |
| jbailey | I'm trying to figure out if I'm brave enough to ask him for decent sparc hardware. | 01:55 |
| jbailey | He mentioned before he knew some people at sun who might sponsor such things. | 01:55 |
| fabbione | just do it | 01:56 |
| fabbione | if so ask for me too :) | 01:56 |
| fabbione | or i can ask for both of us | 01:56 |
| fabbione | (he is idle now) | 01:56 |
| jbailey | Sure. =) | 01:56 |
| jbailey | Oy, Fabio. Is 2.6.13 goes gold in the next week, are you bumping, or are you sticking with 2.6.12 for sure? | 02:07 |
| fabbione | we still have a few days for UVF | 02:10 |
| fabbione | but i doubt it will go gold that fast | 02:10 |
| fabbione | i saw too many patches going in -git for .13 to be gold in less than a month | 02:11 |
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| jbailey | Hmm, getting the new udev in before UVF will be fun. *sigh* | 02:15 |
| jbailey | Heya Chuck. | 02:16 |
| zul | Hey Jeff how goes it? | 02:16 |
| jbailey | I'm doing very well. | 02:17 |
| zul | good | 02:18 |
| jbailey | Et tu? | 02:18 |
| zul | good...kind of hot though | 02:18 |
| jbailey | Yeah, I suspect we'll need to add A/C to our list of appliances to buy in Montral. | 02:19 |
| jbailey | This move is getting expensive. | 02:19 |
| zul | hehe.. | 02:19 |
| jbailey | What's it like in the big O? | 02:19 |
| zul | the stadium? never been there..;) | 02:20 |
| zul | right now...since its canada day tomorrow its pretty quiet | 02:20 |
| jbailey | I should get to Ottawa for Canada day one time. Maybe next year. | 02:21 |
| jbailey | I imagine the train from Montral to Ottawa should be cheap. | 02:21 |
| zul | tomorrow downtown its going to be crazy so most naturalized residents avoid it :) | 02:21 |
| jbailey | A wild outgoing guy like you? I'd have expected to see you swinging naked from the trees... | 02:22 |
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| zul | hmmm...yeah...bastard | 02:23 |
| zul | i done all the wild stuff when i was a kid | 02:23 |
| fabbione | hey zul | 02:25 |
| zul | hey fabbione | 02:26 |
| zul | grrr | 02:28 |
| zul | hmmm...gentoo has a speakup patch for 2.6.12 | 02:33 |
| === TheMuso must check out CVS. | ||
| TheMuso | I believe someone at Gentoo was helping the primary author of Speakup work on it. | 02:34 |
| zul | yeah he was | 02:34 |
| TheMuso | Last I checked, the new code wasn't in CVS yet. | 02:36 |
| TheMuso | And it looks like CVS access is down atm. | 02:36 |
| TheMuso | Argh. Stuff that. | 02:37 |
| === TheMuso goes hunting for the speakup patch in his local Gentoo Portage mirror. | ||
| TheMuso | s/local/nearest/ | 02:38 |
| TheMuso | zul: Where did you find it? | 02:41 |
| zul | dev.gentoo.org/~dsd | 02:41 |
| TheMuso | Tah. | 02:41 |
| === TheMuso seems to be going round in circles. | ||
| TheMuso | zul: Have you tried it yet? | 02:52 |
| zul | nope...going to try this weekend when im not working | 02:53 |
| TheMuso | Fair enough. Downloading vanilla kernel now to see if they patch against it. Then I will try a breezy kernel. | 02:54 |
| TheMuso | BTW I have written a modules file to go in the d-i/$arch subdirs for creating a speakup-modules udeb if you are interested. | 02:54 |
| jbailey | fabbione: Did Ben ever reply? | 03:08 |
| jbailey | Or did my name sink it into a black hole? =) | 03:08 |
| fabbione | jbailey: the latter... | 03:12 |
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| zul | mental note...mozilla sucks | 04:08 |
| dilinger | always has, always will | 04:12 |
| jbailey | ANyone object if my summer of code student does his firewall work in this channel? | 04:17 |
| chmj | firewall work ? | 04:23 |
| jbailey | Yeah, he's tackling the firewall bounty. | 04:30 |
| jbailey | I find ubuntu-devel too noisy to get much done in, so if the kernel folks here find it relevent enough, I'd like him to work in here. | 04:30 |
| chmj | I don't object :) | 04:31 |
| Mithrandir | can we throw mentos at him (or her)? | 04:34 |
| jbailey | (or trans) | 04:36 |
| jbailey | I assume so. | 04:36 |
| jbailey | Wouldn't it be discrimination not to? | 04:36 |
| jbailey | I was told to make the student feel part of the community. =) | 04:36 |
| Mithrandir | yay! | 04:38 |
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| jbailey | (s)he*'s in .de, so you won't even have to correct that much for accurate use of a trebuchet. | 04:40 |
| chmj | hehehe | 04:45 |
| zul | i prefer cricket bats | 04:53 |
| zul | anyone know of a good oog vorbis player? | 04:55 |
| jbailey | xmms? | 04:56 |
| zul | it can do oog? | 04:57 |
| dilinger | oog? | 04:57 |
| dilinger | you mean ogg? | 04:57 |
| zul | yeah | 04:57 |
| zul | php is blowing my brain | 04:58 |
| jbailey | Yes, xmms does ogg | 04:58 |
| dilinger | you might find better results if you apt-cache search for ogg instead of oog :P | 04:58 |
| zul | :P | 04:58 |
| dilinger | xmms, totem, xine, gstreamer, muine, rhythmbox.. | 04:58 |
| zul | im on suse | 04:58 |
| Mithrandir | you might want to switch the type of crack you're smoking too, since it appears to affect your brain so much. | 04:58 |
| dilinger | i'd recommend anything gst or xine based | 04:58 |
| === jbailey wishes gst would either work or die. | ||
| jbailey | This half baked state on !i386 just kills me. | 04:59 |
| Mithrandir | I wish concordia had a -fullturbo switch. | 05:00 |
| dilinger | jbailey: you should start hacking it for !i386 | 05:03 |
| dilinger | when i had my tibook, i used to fix endian issues in gst | 05:04 |
| dilinger | but now i don't have any !i386 desktop hardware | 05:04 |
| dilinger | if only someone would send me some ppc64 stuff.. | 05:04 |
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| Mithrandir | amd64s are cheap | 05:04 |
| dilinger | Mithrandir: i suppose | 05:05 |
| jbailey | Mithrandir: They're still ~500CAD | 05:05 |
| Mithrandir | jbailey: I just love it when people throw their random currency-of-the-day at me. :P | 05:05 |
| Mithrandir | what's that in some sensible currency? | 05:06 |
| jbailey | About the same as AUD. =) | 05:06 |
| jbailey | A little higher than the number would be in EUR, about twice would it would be in GBP | 05:06 |
| Mithrandir | for a full system? | 05:07 |
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| Mithrandir | heh | 05:07 |
| Mithrandir | I wish the dualcores would become a tad less expensive. | 05:07 |
| jbailey | No, that's for mobo, cpu and ram. | 05:08 |
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| Mithrandir | it's more like 350-ish AUD here. | 05:11 |
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| jbailey | fabbione: I need to figure out which modules to load into the initrd. | 09:36 |
| jbailey | err, initramfs | 09:37 |
| jbailey | the best heuristic that I've seen so far gives me 30 megs of modules, which seems a bit excessive. | 09:37 |
| fabbione | eh? | 09:37 |
| jbailey | Do you have a recommendation? Should I just make a list of the modules that are there in 2.6.12 and add more if people bitch that some are missing? | 09:37 |
| fabbione | jbailey: can you send me this list so we can look at it together? | 09:38 |
| fabbione | adding 13MB of modules is like adding all the kernel or almost | 09:38 |
| jbailey | The kernel includes 67 megs of modules. | 09:40 |
| fabbione | brb... i need a nature break and we can look at it :) | 09:41 |
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| fabbione | re | 09:47 |
| jbailey | Should I /msg you the list of the directories I'm copying now, or paste it here for general consumption? | 09:49 |
| fabbione | jbailey: past in here the main dirs.. | 09:50 |
| fabbione | no need of the single module detail | 09:50 |
| jbailey | copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/net | 09:50 |
| jbailey | copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/scsi | 09:50 |
| jbailey | copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/ide | 09:50 |
| jbailey | copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/md | 09:50 |
| jbailey | copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/usb | 09:50 |
| jbailey | copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/block | 09:50 |
| jbailey | copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/input | 09:50 |
| jbailey | copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/ext2 | 09:50 |
| jbailey | copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/ext3 | 09:50 |
| jbailey | copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/isofs | 09:50 |
| jbailey | copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/jbd | 09:50 |
| jbailey | copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/jfs | 09:50 |
| jbailey | copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/nfs | 09:50 |
| jbailey | copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/reiserfs | 09:50 |
| jbailey | copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/xfs | 09:50 |
| jbailey | Because that doesn't catch all of the dependancies, I then do a further check to make sure I get all the dependancies of the following modules: | 09:51 |
| jbailey | for x in mbcache nfs af_packet raid1 ide-cd ide-disk ide-generic; do | 09:51 |
| fabbione | mbcache is used only by ext2/ext3 | 09:54 |
| zul | meh...i think im going to knock off early today | 09:54 |
| jbailey | zul: slacker. | 09:54 |
| zul | shut it | 09:55 |
| zul | later | 09:55 |
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| jbailey | Doh, missed him. | 09:55 |
| jbailey | fabbione: What I'm wondering is if the whole lot of it should be a list of drivers that get included by default in the initramfs rather than this method. | 09:55 |
| jbailey | This brings in all the ARCnet crap, slip, etc, etc... | 09:56 |
| jbailey | Just piles of stuff that I"m failure convinced aren't needed. | 09:56 |
| fabbione | yes.. we need a more fine graned list | 09:56 |
| jbailey | Shall I make a wiki page with a list that we can prune down or add to? | 09:56 |
| fabbione | and we can look at kernel-wedge algo to calculate dependencies and pull in modules as required | 09:56 |
| fabbione | jbailey: iirc you asked me to create the initramfs directly from the kernel package | 09:57 |
| fabbione | i suggest we start to work out directly how to do it and add the list in baz | 09:57 |
| jbailey | Yup, I'd like that eventually. | 09:58 |
| jbailey | For now I thought we could start the list here since I already have module deps taken care of. | 09:58 |
| jbailey | THen transfer the magic over to the kernel. | 09:58 |
| jbailey | My package has the nice side effect so far that it's not in heavy use. | 09:58 |
| fabbione | well let's do it directly into the kernel.. there is only a month or so for feature freeze | 09:59 |
| fabbione | and these kind of changes are expensive to do | 09:59 |
| fabbione | jbailey: just remember to set your umask properly on rookery if you commit to baz directly :) | 10:00 |
| fabbione | (and i don't mind you to do so) | 10:01 |
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