[06:26] morning === JaneW [~JaneW@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === JaneW [~JaneW@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === JaneW [~JaneW@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Leaving"] === Mithrandir [~tfheen@vawad.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Mithrandir [~tfheen@vawad.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [11:06] g'night === Mithrandir [~tfheen@vawad.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === doko_ [~doko___@dsl-084-059-065-082.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === chmj [~chmj@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === JaneW [~JaneW@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === JaneW [~JaneW@217.205.109.249] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Leaving"] === JaneW [~JaneW@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE00501836c657-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:39] g'm all [01:40] hey jbailey [01:40] hi jbailey [01:41] we found the sparc kernel problem! [01:41] look at your inbox ;) [01:42] Nice catch. That's... not where I would've expected the problem to be. =) [01:46] JaneW: Doing some kernel hacking today? =) [01:48] jbailey: yeah ;) [01:48] Excellent! === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-065-082.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:52] heh [01:55] jbailey: i think i started tickling BenC again :) [01:55] this time it was him searching for me ;) [01:55] Cool. [01:55] I'm trying to figure out if I'm brave enough to ask him for decent sparc hardware. [01:55] He mentioned before he knew some people at sun who might sponsor such things. [01:56] just do it [01:56] if so ask for me too :) [01:56] or i can ask for both of us [01:56] (he is idle now) [01:56] Sure. =) [02:07] Oy, Fabio. Is 2.6.13 goes gold in the next week, are you bumping, or are you sticking with 2.6.12 for sure? [02:10] we still have a few days for UVF [02:10] but i doubt it will go gold that fast [02:11] i saw too many patches going in -git for .13 to be gold in less than a month === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:15] Hmm, getting the new udev in before UVF will be fun. *sigh* [02:16] Heya Chuck. [02:16] Hey Jeff how goes it? [02:17] I'm doing very well. [02:18] good [02:18] Et tu? [02:18] good...kind of hot though [02:19] Yeah, I suspect we'll need to add A/C to our list of appliances to buy in Montral. [02:19] This move is getting expensive. [02:19] hehe.. [02:19] What's it like in the big O? [02:20] the stadium? never been there..;) [02:20] right now...since its canada day tomorrow its pretty quiet [02:21] I should get to Ottawa for Canada day one time. Maybe next year. [02:21] I imagine the train from Montral to Ottawa should be cheap. [02:21] tomorrow downtown its going to be crazy so most naturalized residents avoid it :) [02:22] A wild outgoing guy like you? I'd have expected to see you swinging naked from the trees... === jbailey hides. [02:23] hmmm...yeah...bastard [02:23] i done all the wild stuff when i was a kid [02:25] hey zul [02:26] hey fabbione [02:28] grrr [02:33] hmmm...gentoo has a speakup patch for 2.6.12 === TheMuso must check out CVS. [02:34] I believe someone at Gentoo was helping the primary author of Speakup work on it. [02:34] yeah he was [02:36] Last I checked, the new code wasn't in CVS yet. [02:36] And it looks like CVS access is down atm. [02:37] Argh. Stuff that. === TheMuso goes hunting for the speakup patch in his local Gentoo Portage mirror. [02:38] s/local/nearest/ [02:41] zul: Where did you find it? [02:41] dev.gentoo.org/~dsd [02:41] Tah. === TheMuso seems to be going round in circles. [02:52] zul: Have you tried it yet? [02:53] nope...going to try this weekend when im not working [02:54] Fair enough. Downloading vanilla kernel now to see if they patch against it. Then I will try a breezy kernel. [02:54] BTW I have written a modules file to go in the d-i/$arch subdirs for creating a speakup-modules udeb if you are interested. [03:08] fabbione: Did Ben ever reply? [03:08] Or did my name sink it into a black hole? =) [03:12] jbailey: the latter... === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [04:08] mental note...mozilla sucks [04:12] always has, always will [04:17] ANyone object if my summer of code student does his firewall work in this channel? [04:23] firewall work ? [04:30] Yeah, he's tackling the firewall bounty. [04:30] I find ubuntu-devel too noisy to get much done in, so if the kernel folks here find it relevent enough, I'd like him to work in here. [04:31] I don't object :) [04:34] can we throw mentos at him (or her)? [04:36] (or trans) [04:36] I assume so. [04:36] Wouldn't it be discrimination not to? [04:36] I was told to make the student feel part of the community. =) [04:38] yay! === Mithrandir loads up a big mentos cluster [04:40] (s)he*'s in .de, so you won't even have to correct that much for accurate use of a trebuchet. [04:45] hehehe [04:53] i prefer cricket bats [04:55] anyone know of a good oog vorbis player? [04:56] xmms? [04:57] it can do oog? [04:57] oog? [04:57] you mean ogg? [04:57] yeah [04:58] php is blowing my brain [04:58] Yes, xmms does ogg [04:58] you might find better results if you apt-cache search for ogg instead of oog :P [04:58] :P [04:58] xmms, totem, xine, gstreamer, muine, rhythmbox.. [04:58] im on suse [04:58] you might want to switch the type of crack you're smoking too, since it appears to affect your brain so much. [04:58] i'd recommend anything gst or xine based === jbailey wishes gst would either work or die. [04:59] This half baked state on !i386 just kills me. [05:00] I wish concordia had a -fullturbo switch. [05:03] jbailey: you should start hacking it for !i386 [05:04] when i had my tibook, i used to fix endian issues in gst [05:04] but now i don't have any !i386 desktop hardware [05:04] if only someone would send me some ppc64 stuff.. === dilinger coughs [05:04] amd64s are cheap [05:05] Mithrandir: i suppose [05:05] Mithrandir: They're still ~500CAD [05:05] jbailey: I just love it when people throw their random currency-of-the-day at me. :P [05:06] what's that in some sensible currency? [05:06] About the same as AUD. =) [05:06] A little higher than the number would be in EUR, about twice would it would be in GBP [05:07] for a full system? === dilinger showers Mithrandir with sucres [05:07] heh [05:07] I wish the dualcores would become a tad less expensive. [05:08] No, that's for mobo, cpu and ram. === jbailey shuts down for a scheduled power outage. [05:11] it's more like 350-ish AUD here. === zul [~chuck@ottawa-hs-64-26-161-129.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === lamont [~lamont@15.238.6.45] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE00501836c657-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Seveaz [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === JaneW [~JaneW@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === JaneW [~JaneW@217.205.109.249] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Leaving"] === desrt [~desrt@dhcp-0-20-af-d2-7c-3.cpe.mountaincable.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:36] fabbione: I need to figure out which modules to load into the initrd. [09:37] err, initramfs [09:37] the best heuristic that I've seen so far gives me 30 megs of modules, which seems a bit excessive. [09:37] eh? [09:37] Do you have a recommendation? Should I just make a list of the modules that are there in 2.6.12 and add more if people bitch that some are missing? [09:38] jbailey: can you send me this list so we can look at it together? [09:38] adding 13MB of modules is like adding all the kernel or almost [09:40] The kernel includes 67 megs of modules. [09:41] brb... i need a nature break and we can look at it :) === Seveaz [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:47] re [09:49] Should I /msg you the list of the directories I'm copying now, or paste it here for general consumption? [09:50] jbailey: past in here the main dirs.. [09:50] no need of the single module detail [09:50] copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/net [09:50] copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/scsi [09:50] copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/ide [09:50] copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/md [09:50] copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/usb [09:50] copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/block [09:50] copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/input [09:50] copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/ext2 [09:50] copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/ext3 [09:50] copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/isofs [09:50] copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/jbd [09:50] copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/jfs [09:50] copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/nfs [09:50] copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/reiserfs [09:50] copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/xfs [09:51] Because that doesn't catch all of the dependancies, I then do a further check to make sure I get all the dependancies of the following modules: [09:51] for x in mbcache nfs af_packet raid1 ide-cd ide-disk ide-generic; do [09:54] mbcache is used only by ext2/ext3 [09:54] meh...i think im going to knock off early today [09:54] zul: slacker. [09:55] shut it [09:55] later === jbailey ties zul down so that his 'it' can be shut.. [09:55] Doh, missed him. [09:55] fabbione: What I'm wondering is if the whole lot of it should be a list of drivers that get included by default in the initramfs rather than this method. [09:56] This brings in all the ARCnet crap, slip, etc, etc... [09:56] Just piles of stuff that I"m failure convinced aren't needed. [09:56] yes.. we need a more fine graned list [09:56] Shall I make a wiki page with a list that we can prune down or add to? [09:56] and we can look at kernel-wedge algo to calculate dependencies and pull in modules as required [09:57] jbailey: iirc you asked me to create the initramfs directly from the kernel package [09:57] i suggest we start to work out directly how to do it and add the list in baz [09:58] Yup, I'd like that eventually. [09:58] For now I thought we could start the list here since I already have module deps taken care of. [09:58] THen transfer the magic over to the kernel. [09:58] My package has the nice side effect so far that it's not in heavy use. [09:59] well let's do it directly into the kernel.. there is only a month or so for feature freeze [09:59] and these kind of changes are expensive to do [10:00] jbailey: just remember to set your umask properly on rookery if you commit to baz directly :) [10:01] (and i don't mind you to do so)