[06:26] <fabbione> morning
[11:06] <lamont> g'night
[01:39] <jbailey> g'm all
[01:40] <fabbione> hey jbailey 
[01:40] <JaneW> hi jbailey
[01:41] <fabbione> we found the sparc kernel problem!
[01:41] <fabbione> look at your inbox ;)
[01:42] <jbailey> Nice catch.  That's... not where I would've expected the problem to be. =)
[01:46] <jbailey> JaneW: Doing some kernel hacking today? =)
[01:48] <JaneW> jbailey: yeah ;)
[01:48] <jbailey> Excellent!
[01:52] <JaneW> heh
[01:55] <fabbione> jbailey: i think i started tickling BenC again :)
[01:55] <fabbione> this time it was him searching for me ;)
[01:55] <jbailey> Cool.
[01:55] <jbailey> I'm trying to figure out if I'm brave enough to ask him for decent sparc hardware.
[01:55] <jbailey> He mentioned before he knew some people at sun who might sponsor such things.
[01:56] <fabbione> just do it
[01:56] <fabbione> if so ask for me too :)
[01:56] <fabbione> or i can ask for both of us
[01:56] <fabbione> (he is idle now)
[01:56] <jbailey> Sure. =)
[02:07] <jbailey> Oy, Fabio.  Is 2.6.13 goes gold in the next week, are you bumping, or are you sticking with 2.6.12 for sure?
[02:10] <fabbione> we still have a few days for UVF
[02:10] <fabbione> but i doubt it will go gold that fast
[02:11] <fabbione> i saw too many patches going in -git for .13 to be gold in less than a month
[02:15] <jbailey> Hmm, getting the new udev in before UVF will be fun.  *sigh*
[02:16] <jbailey> Heya Chuck.
[02:16] <zul> Hey Jeff how goes it?
[02:17] <jbailey> I'm doing very well.
[02:18] <zul> good
[02:18] <jbailey> Et tu?
[02:18] <zul> good...kind of hot though
[02:19] <jbailey> Yeah, I suspect we'll need to add A/C to our list of appliances to buy in Montral.
[02:19] <jbailey> This move is getting expensive.
[02:19] <zul> hehe..
[02:19] <jbailey> What's it like in the big O?
[02:20] <zul> the stadium? never been there..;)
[02:20] <zul> right now...since its canada day tomorrow its pretty quiet
[02:21] <jbailey> I should get to Ottawa for Canada day one time.  Maybe next year.
[02:21] <jbailey> I imagine the train from Montral to Ottawa should be cheap.
[02:21] <zul> tomorrow downtown its going to be crazy so most naturalized residents avoid it :)
[02:22] <jbailey> A wild outgoing guy like you?  I'd have expected to see you swinging naked from the trees...
[02:23] <zul> hmmm...yeah...bastard
[02:23] <zul> i done all the wild stuff when i was a kid
[02:25] <fabbione> hey zul
[02:26] <zul> hey fabbione 
[02:28] <zul> grrr
[02:33] <zul> hmmm...gentoo has a speakup patch for 2.6.12
[02:34] <TheMuso> I believe someone at Gentoo was helping the primary author of Speakup work on it.
[02:34] <zul> yeah he was
[02:36] <TheMuso> Last I checked, the new code wasn't in CVS yet.
[02:36] <TheMuso> And it looks like CVS access is down atm.
[02:37] <TheMuso> Argh. Stuff that.
[02:38] <TheMuso> s/local/nearest/
[02:41] <TheMuso> zul: Where did you find it?
[02:41] <zul> dev.gentoo.org/~dsd
[02:41] <TheMuso> Tah.
[02:52] <TheMuso> zul: Have you tried it yet?
[02:53] <zul> nope...going to try this weekend when im not working
[02:54] <TheMuso> Fair enough. Downloading vanilla kernel now to see if they patch against it. Then I will try a breezy kernel.
[02:54] <TheMuso> BTW I have written a modules file to go in the d-i/$arch subdirs for creating a speakup-modules udeb if you are interested.
[03:08] <jbailey> fabbione: Did Ben ever reply?
[03:08] <jbailey> Or did my name sink it into a black hole? =)
[03:12] <fabbione> jbailey: the latter...
[04:08] <zul> mental note...mozilla sucks
[04:12] <dilinger> always has, always will
[04:17] <jbailey> ANyone object if my summer of code student does his firewall work in this channel?
[04:23] <chmj> firewall work ?
[04:30] <jbailey> Yeah, he's tackling the firewall bounty.
[04:30] <jbailey> I find ubuntu-devel too noisy to get much done in, so if the kernel folks here find it relevent enough, I'd like him to work in here.
[04:31] <chmj> I don't object :)
[04:34] <Mithrandir> can we throw mentos at him (or her)?
[04:36] <jbailey> (or trans)
[04:36] <jbailey> I assume so.
[04:36] <jbailey> Wouldn't it be discrimination not to?
[04:36] <jbailey> I was told to make the student feel part of the community. =)
[04:38] <Mithrandir> yay!
[04:40] <jbailey> (s)he*'s in .de, so you won't even have to correct that much for accurate use of a trebuchet.
[04:45] <chmj> hehehe
[04:53] <zul> i prefer cricket bats
[04:55] <zul> anyone know of a good oog vorbis player?
[04:56] <jbailey> xmms?
[04:57] <zul> it can do oog?
[04:57] <dilinger> oog?
[04:57] <dilinger> you mean ogg?
[04:57] <zul> yeah
[04:58] <zul> php is blowing my brain
[04:58] <jbailey> Yes, xmms does ogg
[04:58] <dilinger> you might find better results if you apt-cache search for ogg instead of oog :P
[04:58] <zul> :P
[04:58] <dilinger> xmms, totem, xine, gstreamer, muine, rhythmbox..
[04:58] <zul> im on suse
[04:58] <Mithrandir> you might want to switch the type of crack you're smoking too, since it appears to affect your brain so much.
[04:58] <dilinger> i'd recommend anything gst or xine based
[04:59] <jbailey> This half baked state on !i386 just kills me. 
[05:00] <Mithrandir> I wish concordia had a -fullturbo switch.
[05:03] <dilinger> jbailey: you should start hacking it for !i386
[05:04] <dilinger> when i had my tibook, i used to fix endian issues in gst
[05:04] <dilinger> but now i don't have any !i386 desktop hardware
[05:04] <dilinger> if only someone would send me some ppc64 stuff..
[05:04] <Mithrandir> amd64s are cheap
[05:05] <dilinger> Mithrandir: i suppose
[05:05] <jbailey> Mithrandir: They're still ~500CAD
[05:05] <Mithrandir> jbailey: I just love it when people throw their random currency-of-the-day at me.  :P
[05:06] <Mithrandir> what's that in some sensible currency?
[05:06] <jbailey> About the same as AUD. =)
[05:06] <jbailey> A little higher than the number would be in EUR, about twice would it would be in GBP
[05:07] <Mithrandir> for a full system?
[05:07] <Mithrandir> heh
[05:07] <Mithrandir> I wish the dualcores would become a tad less expensive.
[05:08] <jbailey> No, that's for mobo, cpu and ram.
[05:11] <Mithrandir> it's more like 350-ish AUD here.
[09:36] <jbailey> fabbione: I need to figure out which modules to load into the initrd.
[09:37] <jbailey> err, initramfs
[09:37] <jbailey> the best heuristic that I've seen so far gives me 30 megs of modules, which seems a bit excessive.
[09:37] <fabbione> eh?
[09:37] <jbailey> Do you have a recommendation?  Should I just make a list of the modules that are there in 2.6.12 and add more if people bitch that some are missing?
[09:38] <fabbione> jbailey: can you send me this list so we can look at it together?
[09:38] <fabbione> adding 13MB of modules is like adding all the kernel or almost
[09:40] <jbailey> The kernel includes 67 megs of modules.
[09:41] <fabbione> brb... i need a nature break and we can look at it :)
[09:47] <fabbione> re
[09:49] <jbailey> Should I /msg you the list of the directories I'm copying now, or paste it here for general consumption?
[09:50] <fabbione> jbailey: past in here the main dirs..
[09:50] <fabbione> no need of the single module detail
[09:50] <jbailey>         copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/net
[09:50] <jbailey>         copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/scsi
[09:50] <jbailey>         copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/ide
[09:50] <jbailey>         copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/md
[09:50] <jbailey>         copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/usb
[09:50] <jbailey>         copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/block
[09:50] <jbailey>         copy_modules_dir kernel/drivers/input
[09:50] <jbailey>         copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/ext2
[09:50] <jbailey>         copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/ext3
[09:50] <jbailey>         copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/isofs
[09:50] <jbailey>         copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/jbd
[09:50] <jbailey>         copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/jfs
[09:50] <jbailey>         copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/nfs
[09:50] <jbailey>         copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/reiserfs
[09:50] <jbailey>         copy_modules_dir kernel/fs/xfs
[09:51] <jbailey> Because that doesn't catch all of the dependancies, I then do a further check to make sure I get all the dependancies of the following modules:
[09:51] <jbailey>         for x in mbcache nfs af_packet raid1 ide-cd ide-disk ide-generic; do
[09:54] <fabbione> mbcache is used only by ext2/ext3
[09:54] <zul> meh...i think im going to knock off early today
[09:54] <jbailey> zul: slacker.
[09:55] <zul> shut it
[09:55] <zul> later
[09:55] <jbailey> Doh, missed him.
[09:55] <jbailey> fabbione: What I'm wondering is if the whole lot of it should be a list of drivers that get included by default in the initramfs rather than this method.
[09:56] <jbailey> This brings in all the ARCnet crap, slip, etc, etc...
[09:56] <jbailey> Just piles of stuff that I"m failure convinced aren't needed.
[09:56] <fabbione> yes.. we need a more fine graned list
[09:56] <jbailey> Shall I make a wiki page with a list that we can prune down or add to?
[09:56] <fabbione> and we can look at kernel-wedge algo to calculate dependencies and pull in modules as required
[09:57] <fabbione> jbailey: iirc you asked me to create the initramfs directly from the kernel package
[09:57] <fabbione> i suggest we start to work out directly how to do it and add the list in baz
[09:58] <jbailey> Yup, I'd like that eventually.
[09:58] <jbailey> For now I thought we could start the list here since I already have module deps taken care of.
[09:58] <jbailey> THen transfer the magic over to the kernel.
[09:58] <jbailey> My package has the nice side effect so far that it's not in heavy use.
[09:59] <fabbione> well let's do it directly into the kernel.. there is only a month or so for feature freeze
[09:59] <fabbione> and these kind of changes are expensive to do
[10:00] <fabbione> jbailey: just remember to set your umask properly on rookery if you commit to baz directly :)
[10:01] <fabbione> (and i don't mind you to do so)