[12:00] <pgidz> leo apt-get install cdrecord
[12:00] <ubuntu> anyone here experienced with installing linux on an ibm laptop ?
[12:00] <leo> ahhh
[12:00] <pgidz> leo then i'll give you the command to burn your iso
[12:01] <ubuntu> i understand i better backup the 4gb drive containin windoze, how can i do that ?
[12:01] <leo> it said "cdrecord is already the newest version."
[12:01] <pgidz> leo so you have cdrecord
[12:01] <terje> ubuntu: one way would be to boot the ubuntu live CD and not worry about backing up the drive.
[12:02] <nalioth> ubuntu: a friend with a usb2/firewire dvd burner?
[12:02] <pgidz> leo what do you want to do with it
[12:02] <leo> use it to burn my iso to cd
[12:02] <pgidz> leo find out what your cd is it will be hdc or hdd or somthing like that
[12:03] <lsuactiafner> whats the command to make an exact duplicate of a dvd?
[12:03] <littlefae> I've come to the conclusion, that Linux + Wifi = Waste of a short life. :(
[12:03] <terje> lsuactiafner: dd
[12:03] <ubuntu> terje, im running live cd right now. but you cant use it for a long time, i mean editing the network properties each time and stuff ... thats no fun
[12:03] <littlefae> Everyone's got these wonderful 'howtos' but not one of them has worked 100%
[12:03] <ubuntu> nalioth, i have a dvd burner on another computer on the network, what can i do ?
[12:03] <pgidz> littlefae did you check to see if you had your wlan0 using dhcp to get your ip address
[12:04] <littlefae> It did
[12:04] <leo> i think its hdd
[12:04] <littlefae> I even tried a static one, based on the routers recommendation.
[12:04] <terje> ubuntu: just never reboot :)
[12:04] <nalioth> ubuntu: there is some way to send your 4gb HD stuff over to the other puter?
[12:04] <ubuntu> terje, hey its a laptop :P
[12:04] <pgidz> leo then type cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd then name of the iso file but put a cd in the drive first
[12:04] <littlefae> When using DHCP I get 'network cant be accessed' When using static I get 50000ms mispings
[12:05] <littlefae> *Network unreachable
[12:05] <terje> ubuntu: ah yes.. actually what I do is boot the live CD and I have a script that rsync's my homedir to a server
[12:05] <leo> cool, and i don't even have to be in the right directory?
[12:05] <terje> so when I boot up off the CD, I just download all my files, logout and log back in and I have my desktop.
[12:05] <pgidz> leo is it working for you
[12:06] <ubuntu> nalioth, i have no problem sending it over the network, but how can i access that partition ?
[12:06] <leo> hang on i'll get a blank
[12:06] <nalioth> ubuntu: i'm assuming you want to backup wndows to put linux on the 4gb laptop HD?
[12:06] <pgidz> leo make sure you put the full directory path to your iso file
[12:06] <terje> ubnutu: if it's a windows box, they have a backup utility that can be used to create a back up .DAT file. Send that over the network to the system w/ the burner.
[12:06] <vinux> hey yuacht I found the problem hehe, I guess I was in a rush to set up my sources when I installed because I left 2 not usable
[12:07] <leo> ok
[12:07] <pgidz> littlefae if you hardwire to your router from your laptop can you access the net
[12:07] <littlefae> I can't hardwire to it.
[12:07] <ubuntu> nalioth, i dont know, if i could turn the 40gb partition into two, i would install linux over there .. but i want to backup that one any way
[12:07] <littlefae> My iBook works fine, though.  And it worked fine from my brothers netgear
[12:07] <pgidz> littlefae why do you not have eth on your laptop
[12:07] <nalioth> ubuntu: i'm sorry, i read one of your previous posts saying "4" gb HD
[12:07] <yuacht> vinux, see, there you go ;)
[12:07] <littlefae> Er, not built in. :D
[12:08] <nalioth> ubuntu: 34 extra gigs makes a big difference in planning for ubuntu
[12:08] <littlefae> It's built-in to the dock, but I don't have the dock
[12:08] <pgidz> littlefae didi you check to see if the w/lan card was on the same channel/freq as the router
[12:08] <leo> pgidz: for some reason the cd thats in there won't unmount or eject
[12:09] <pgidz> leo what cd have you got in there
[12:09] <littlefae> Same channel yes, frequency, I can't tell.
[12:09] <ubuntu> nalioth, heh, it has a 40gb hdd with windoze on it, and a "hidden" 4gb hdd with windows installation or something ...
[12:09] <leo> the original iso cd i burned
[12:09] <leo> but not bootable
[12:09] <leo> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[12:09] <leo> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[12:09] <leo> eject: unmount of `/dev/hdd' failed
[12:09] <littlefae> What I can tell you, is that the router acknowledges it's existence, and picked up the MAC from it
[12:09] <nalioth> ubuntu: ah. do you have partition magic?
[12:09] <nalioth> ubuntu: or is it time to reinstall windows?
[12:09] <pgidz> leo do a reboot and take the cd out when the system lets you
[12:10] <leo> ok
[12:10] <leo> brb 4
[12:10] <LinuxNewb> hey guys
[12:11] <LinuxNewb> i changed my login password and now i cant login
[12:11] <LinuxNewb> how can i recover
[12:11] <xeiro> do u remeber the root password?
[12:11] <LinuxNewb> ya
[12:11] <pgidz> littlefae go into network tools and check your ip address
[12:11] <LinuxNewb> it tried it like fifty times
[12:12] <littlefae> Thats the problem.. it isn't getting one via DHCP
[12:12] <xeiro> LinuxNewb: can u login as root?
[12:12] <zeeeee> hi all, what's the package to get manpages for the standard C syscalls (read, fopen, etc)
[12:12] <LinuxNewb> nope
[12:12] <yuacht> littlefae, try setting static
[12:12] <LinuxNewb> and i dont have another account
[12:12] <LinuxNewb> i didnt make one yet
[12:12] <xeiro> LinuxNewb: but u remember the root password right?
[12:12] <LinuxNewb> yep
[12:12] <ubuntu> nalioth, i dont have partition magic atm, i can *get* it though ... i thought of using qtparted from a live cd, but it doesnt seem to be able to do that ... im afraid ill ruin my legal copy of windoze ;_;
[12:12] <littlefae> I did, but all I got was a dead network, no pingability
[12:12] <goldfish> LinuxNewb: log into rescue mode
[12:13] <yuacht> LinuxNewb, check out ubuntuguide, i think there's a entry about this matter
[12:13] <xeiro> LinuxNewb: do u know how to get to a virtual terminal?
[12:13] <LinuxNewb> how can i do that
[12:13] <goldfish> LinuxNewb: and change the password of your account
[12:13] <nalioth> ubuntu: the easiest (and priciest) way is to use PM to resize your disk
[12:13] <goldfish> LinuxNewb: do u not get the option at boot-time?
[12:13] <pgidz> littlefae whan you do iwconfig does it give you an access point address
[12:13] <littlefae> I used mandrake to install Ubuntu. :D
[12:13] <goldfish> LinuxNewb: something like safe mode, rescue mode...
[12:13] <LinuxNewb> nopei go straight to the login in screen
[12:13] <nalioth> ubuntu: using qtparted to resize is not gonna ruin your windows (to my knowledge)
[12:13] <goldfish> LinuxNewb: k, do u have an ubuntu live cd?
[12:14] <misfit_toy> if anybody is having ndiswrapper problems, the new 1.2v is out and seems to fix a ton of issues, it definitely fixed my netgear WG511
[12:14] <littlefae> "Some odd hex address, which turns out to be the MAC for my router
[12:14] <nalioth> yuacht: please do not recommend ubuntuguide
[12:14] <LinuxNewb> ya
[12:14] <yuacht> nalioth, why is that?
[12:14] <pgidz> littlefae you don't have wep on do you
[12:14] <littlefae> Nope
[12:14] <LinuxNewb> ill pop that in there
[12:14] <goldfish> LinuxNewb: ubuntuguide.org has a bit to show u how to log in as root with the live cd, then u can change the password of your account.
[12:14] <nalioth> yuacht: refer to #3, please: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[12:14] <LinuxNewb> ok
[12:14] <nalioth> goldfish: you too, please
[12:14] <LinuxNewb> i wonder why it messed up in the first place ?
[12:14] <rrc23> Seveas Please could you help me configure the resolution of my monitor? It should be able to work with 800*600 as it does in windows xp, but ubuntu 5.04 allows to be displayed in 640*400 only. I have ATI RADEON 9250 graphic card and. Thank you
[12:15] <pgidz> littlefae thats not on on the router and the ESSID is the correct one
[12:15] <goldfish> nalioth: sorry :/
[12:15] <Seveas> rrc23: To find out how you can change your display resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:15] <goldfish> nalioth: sorry, didn't know, maybe add it to the topic?
[12:15] <yuacht> nalioth, okay. didn't know that
[12:15] <Seveas> I cannot help beyond that, as my X skills are quite limited
[12:16] <littlefae> I checked it all.  Everything states that it should bee working, but there's no actual communication
[12:16] <nalioth> goldfish: yuacht the less we recommend the 'guide (until it's updated/modified), the less we'll see problems from its use in here
[12:16] <goldfish> nalioth: ok, cool.
[12:16] <littlefae> The network applet, for the panel, indicates a brief period of two-way communication, but nothing.  dmesg shows nothing untowards either
[12:16] <Seveas> And enabling root is something you should never advise :)
[12:16] <pgidz> littlefae I had the prob with mine that it looked like it should have worked but when I check out the kernal log it had given an error and not load the card up
[12:17] <goldfish> I didn't.
[12:17] <littlefae> Nope, I don't get a single error, this is why I'm so annoyed.
[12:17] <pgidz> littlefae have you checked the kernal log thats the only way I found the error, also are you getting a good signal
[12:18] <littlefae> Signal states 100%, the dmesg thing reports 0% errors.
[12:19] <pgidz> littlefae and you have no firewall running
[12:19] <littlefae> Yes, but it only filters incoming traffic, from the net, not into the WLAN
[12:19] <littlefae> It worked when I had the netgear PCMCIA card on loan, but not with this card.
[12:20] <pgidz> littlefae all i can suggest then is sell the card you have and get a netgear
[12:20] <pgidz> littlefae sorry i couldn't help
[12:20] <littlefae> Yeah, I'll take it back to the shop, and pay twice as much for the netgear, then. :/
[12:20] <leo> sorry what was the command again to burn the iso to the blank using cdrecorder/.
[12:20] <littlefae> I'm so annoyed with Linux for it's lack of hardware support. >_<
[12:21] <yuacht> littlefae, that's because everything is made for windows
[12:21] <yuacht> it's not because of linux
[12:21] <pgidz> littlefae i have a d-link dwl 520+ and it works fine with kernal 2.6.10-5 and it cost about 25-30
[12:21] <vinux> littlefae, yea don't get mad at linux but get mad at the hardware makers :)
[12:21] <mjr> littlefae, oh. I, for one, am annoyed at hardware manufacturers for their lack of Linux support.
[12:21] <xvlun> cheap hardware == cheap support, its your choice in the end
[12:21] <littlefae> But... when something /does/ work with linux, you usually need to recompile this, add that, compile this, make a .deb and reinstall it.
[12:21] <mjr> well, those to whom this applies anyway; like ati and nvidia and stuff
[12:22] <mjr> littlefae, come come, now you're just trolling
[12:22] <jakobbg> Hi - doesn't vanilla ubuntu5.04-kernel support apm (laptop suspend) at all? i need to recompile the kernel!?
[12:22] <pgidz> littlefae i had to rename one file and my card worked
[12:22] <littlefae> Linux has been out for how long now?... ANd they haven't yet made installing drivers easy? :(
[12:22] <yuacht> littlefae, ubuntu supports most hardware
[12:22] <Poromies> linux has been around from early 90's
[12:23] <mjr> if you buy stuff that's not supported in the mainline kernel, it's your fault
[12:23] <Seveas> jakobbg, of course it does support it...
[12:23] <jakobbg> littlefae: yuacht is right. my pcmcia wireless just popped right up, working out of the box. including x setup on my laptop lcd screen, it's super.
[12:23] <littlefae> I agree, 98% of my laptop was supported out of the box.  But networking on it its proving to be an absolute irritant.  Every single item I've borroed and purchased, with the exception of that one netgear card, has failed, despite all these howtos, which I followed to the last letter.
[12:23] <LinuxNewb> ok..this shit is issin me off..i just loged int o recovery mode..typed in ....sudo passwd root
[12:23] <vinux> mjr, it's true. And that's why when I build my next computer i'm going to make sure ubuntu supports it
[12:24] <jakobbg> Seveas: no, it doesn't! :-)
[12:24] <LinuxNewb> then made my new pssword..then it dont work
[12:24] <littlefae> And that one netgear isn't made any more. :(
[12:24] <Poromies> littlefae: its not software/operating system responsibility to make device drivers, its the hardware manufacturers.. its kinda hard to make device drivers without good and detailed knowledge of the hardware and its funtions
[12:24] <Seveas> jakobbg, pm=apm on the kernel command line..?
[12:24] <littlefae> But why make it hard for the user, when it /is/ available?
[12:24] <Razor-X> wooh, i'm level 12 in Progress Quest ;)
[12:24] <Poromies> compared to that fact, linux hardwaresupport is fenomenal
[12:24] <Razor-X> Poromies: phenomenal ;)
[12:24] <Seveas> littlefae, that is not the fault of linux
[12:25] <Poromies> yadayada
[12:25] <Seveas> it is the fault of stupid companies...
[12:25] <littlefae> Eh?
[12:25] <mwe> the linux kernel developers should not be responsible for easy driver installation
[12:25] <elis> guess it is default
[12:25] <littlefae> So the stupid companies make all those irritating innacurte howtos? O_O
[12:25] <jakobbg> Seveas: how do i suspend it, then?
[12:25] <Seveas> stupid companies make closed-source drivers...
[12:25] <Seveas> for closed-source drivers support and howtos are horrific
[12:25] <littlefae> Right.  But if the instructions for the 'solutions' actually worked, I'd have no problems.
[12:26] <Poromies> yea, its HARD to make drivers when you cant get detailed tech-data about thing you are making the driver for
[12:26] <Razor-X> exactly
[12:26] <Razor-X> (even though i'm not aware of the opposing viewpoint here...)
[12:26] <Poromies> because hw-manufacturers generaly dont want to give out their "trade-secrets"
[12:26] <nalioth> Razor-X: have you been at the coffee a little much?
[12:26] <littlefae> This isn't about drivers any more, it's about the lousy 'solutions' I've had to follow, only to find I wasted a lot of effort, because it still doesn't work
[12:27] <leo> what was the command again to burn the iso to the blank using cdrecorder/.
[12:27] <elis> wish yu get it sucesfull
[12:27] <LinuxNewb> ok..so my root password works..how can i alter a user password
[12:27] <littlefae> Some are near impossible to read, sometimes.
[12:27] <jakobbg> Seveas: `sudo apm -s` gives me "No APM support in kernel"
[12:27] <pgidz> leo cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd name of iso with directory path
[12:27] <Seveas> littlefae, that is because solutions only work in the environment of the author of that solution
[12:27] <lsuactiafner> they dont give "trade-secrets" out becuase they will easily get sued for any possible patent
[12:27] <Razor-X> littlefae: are you trying to say closed-source software is better than open-source?
[12:27] <mjr> LinuxNewb, "passwd user"
[12:27] <LinuxNewb> kk
[12:27] <littlefae> I guess I am.
[12:27] <Seveas> jakobbg, kernel boot parameters / modules can change that...
[12:27] <jakobbg> haha
[12:28] <Razor-X> littlefae: that's like saying a prison cell is better than the open air
[12:28] <Poromies> littlefae: yea, that mostly is true.. usualy people writing those how-to:s are so hardened "tech-geeks" that they tend to forgot the "common language" :)
[12:28] <littlefae> Since closed-source means that there's some kid of common basis.
[12:28] <Seveas> littlefae, not really...
[12:28] <mjr> littlefae, umm, does not follow
[12:28] <mwe> um
[12:28] <Razor-X> littlefae: hahahahahaHAHAHAHA
[12:28] <Razor-X> tell me just how many RPCs did Microsoft follow
[12:28] <littlefae> All the solutions for getting my USB cam to work in OSX worked well.  We all had similar features.
[12:28] <Razor-X> and i'll give you that many pennies ;)
[12:29] <Poromies> closed source means that everybody has their own basis
[12:29] <littlefae> In Linux, everything is so radically different from everyone else, it's a nightmare
[12:29] <Seveas> littlefae, again, not really
[12:29] <jakobbg> Seveas: `sudo modprobe apm` gives me "FATAL: Error inserting apm (/path/to/apm/module.ko): No such device
[12:29] <Razor-X> littlefae: you mean, you want Linux to follow OSX implementation procedure?
[12:29] <Poromies> by that you mean that everything is radically different compared to windoze
[12:29] <Seveas> littlefae, it's distributions like RedCrap that instroduce stupid incompatibilities
[12:29] <littlefae> What I'd like, is to double click a driver, and watch it install, not fart about with compilations, shell scripts and kernel editing
[12:30] <Seveas> And of course, linux is evolving
[12:30] <Razor-X> Seveas: you mean, Fedora Crap ;)
[12:30] <wolverian> littlefae: please go troll somewhere else
[12:30] <Razor-X> littlefae: then Linux isn't for you
[12:30] <Seveas> Razor-X, both, actually
[12:30] <mwe> not everyone should us linux
[12:30] <wolverian> littlefae: such as #microsoft or something :)
[12:30] <Razor-X> Linux means you use your brain
[12:30] <Seveas> but mainly the company Red Hat
[12:30] <Poromies> hm you can do that in linux if you have the right hardware
[12:30] <Razor-X> if you view the computer as a tool which must serve you, but nothing more than a tool
[12:30] <Razor-X> then it's your mindset
[12:30] <jakobbg> littlefae: that will be available when hardware producers start documenting their products.
[12:30] <Razor-X> same as some view a car as a tool, and others something that can be tailored to perfection
[12:30] <jakobbg> or opensourcing their work
[12:31] <Seveas> littlefae, in an ideal open source world you would not need to install drivers
[12:31] <Razor-X> the reason Open-Source doesen't work is because humans are greedy
[12:31] <Poromies> if you demand that kind of compatibility, then use either a: hardware that is very well supported b: buy a mac
[12:31] <Seveas> they would all be bundled/installed by your distribution
[12:31] <mjr> littlefae, that'd be nice, but it'd be nicer if the drivers were already there, which would happen if hardware manufacturers _didn't_ do their own thing and co-operated with the kernel maintainers into getting good drivers in
[12:31] <Razor-X> Seveas: you're quoting Marxism
[12:31] <mjr> there -> in the kernel
[12:31] <nikkia> seveas, heh, i remmeber MS saying that around the time of win95
[12:31] <leo> pgidz: cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/home/leo/desktop/KNOPPIX_V3.8.1-2005-04-08-EN.iso'.
[12:31] <jakobbg> open source also works for greedy people
[12:31] <nikkia> 'we have all the core drivers on the CD, there won't be any need for driver disks'
[12:31] <Poromies> heh, this seems to stirr up some emotions :D
[12:31] <Razor-X> jakobbg: much less so
[12:31] <Seveas> macs work because there is VERY VERY limited choice in hardware...
[12:31] <nikkia> seveas, that isn't really true
[12:32] <Seveas> (apart from usb/firewire)
[12:32] <pgidz> leo just check if that is the correct place for the file
[12:32] <jakobbg> nah, the licence can just limit the ways the software can be used, and dual licence it for other uses.
[12:32] <Poromies> Seveas: exactly :)
[12:32] <Razor-X> that's very true
[12:32] <Razor-X> Macs don't really work well
[12:32] <mwe> and there are commercial interests in making everything easy to use
[12:32] <Razor-X> plus, anything that's non USB-HID is hellish to setup in Mac
[12:32] <Seveas> But usb/firewire devices are so goddamn easy to support: there are standards that all manufacturers adhere too
[12:32] <Seveas> to*
[12:32] <Poromies> i have 3 macs here, and i have never had any HW problems with them :D
[12:32] <littlefae> Mac works for me..
[12:32] <pgidz> leo copy it from your desktop to your home directory
[12:32] <jakobbg> software can be open sourced and still be unusable as a product
[12:32] <nikkia> seveas, even ignoring USB/Firewire, you have ATI/nVidia, about 10-15 different chipsets, 3 different CPU generations, comprising about 30 different CPU revisions, AGP vs PCI vs PCI64 vs PCI-X, etc etc
[12:32] <jakobbg> due to a licence
[12:33] <lsuactiafner> is there a way to load a 30mb video bad quality tho into the ram uncomprssed so it would play with mplayer under heave loads without skippin a beat?
[12:33] <Seveas> nikkia, compare that to the available hardware
[12:33] <pgidz> leo so the command would be /home/leo/KNOPP etc
[12:33] <Seveas> that us an extremely limited subset
[12:33] <jakobbg> lsuactiafner: hard frame dropping?
[12:33] <nikkia> seveas, no, its not, not really
[12:33] <Seveas> and not all is supported by all macos versions
[12:33] <mjr> yes, it is, really
[12:33] <jakobbg> lsuactiafner: or just give it a high nicevalue
[12:33] <nikkia> seveas, all of adaptec's scsi controllers, bar a couple of oddball 'budget' cards worked on macs without any hassle, for example
[12:34] <lsuactiafner> jakobbg : am already doing that
[12:34] <Seveas> nikkia, that is 1 (one) manufacturer...
[12:34] <leo> pgidz: i can't think of any other right location to put in instead
[12:34] <nikkia> seveas, just one example
[12:34] <jakobbg> hmm. use qnx?
[12:34] <pgidz> leo have you copied it into your home directory
[12:34] <jakobbg> or some other decent RTOS?
[12:34] <lsuactiafner> jakobbg : that defeats the point, i want to load it in ram, uncomprssed so that mplayer has very little overhead becuase it creates my desktop background
[12:34] <pgidz> leo so it would be in /home/leo
[12:34] <nikkia> seveas, i won't deny its a subset, but its not a small subset, more hw works on macs than most realise
[12:34] <leo> its on the desktop
[12:34] <jakobbg> haha, ok :-)
[12:35] <lsuactiafner> currenly its usin 4% @ good quality and 0.8% in bad quality
[12:35] <littlefae> I just wanted a nice little runaround laptop for use out and about, and everything works well, except networking.  And it's all such a chore, just to get a lousy connection.  The commands are horrendous to use, the drivers seem imposible to get, for so much hardware, and yet, people have solutions, but they just don't work.  I'll make it work sooner or later, if it's possible, but I tell you, Linux devs and support 'st
[12:35] <pgidz> leo it may work if you copy it into /home/leo
[12:35] <leo> ok ill try that
[12:35] <lsuactiafner> but i think if i uncompress it once only and put it in dam it will be better
[12:35] <Poromies> nikkia: yea macs have today quite large HW support
[12:35] <littlefae> Except for cams
[12:35] <Poromies> mainly because of the OSS background with the ground system :)
[12:36] <Razor-X> littlefae: the commands are enormous?
[12:36] <Razor-X> ;)
[12:36] <nikkia> poromies, actually, the time period where i put most of my oddball hw into macs (and it just worked) was around the time of OS 9
[12:36] <littlefae> Horrendous, I said. :P
[12:36] <Razor-X> I spent much more time tweaking my Linux system than my Windows system
[12:36] <Andrew|iBook> damn this is like no ops for this many users
[12:36] <Razor-X> littlefae: I operate about 95% in CLI
[12:36] <leo> yaaaaaayy it worked!! thanks heaps pgidz!!
[12:36] <pgidz> leo no problem mate only here to help
[12:36] <Razor-X> but, my Linux system is now so much more streamlined than the Windows system, and so much more customized
[12:36] <Razor-X> that, the tradeoff is excellent
[12:37] <nikkia> Poromies: the only card i really had a problem with, was a cheap $20 video capture card, and it worked, just the tuner didn't
[12:37] <Andrew|iBook> how long does it take for the disk's to shit
[12:37] <Andrew|iBook> ship*
[12:37] <Razor-X> true, very few people can use the box henceforth
[12:37] <Razor-X> Andrew|iBook: just wait, a lot of orders come in
[12:37] <Razor-X> *in that
[12:37] <vinux> Andrew|iBook, lol what a typo :)
[12:37] <Andrew|iBook> y
[12:37] <Andrew|iBook> ya*
[12:38] <Andrew|iBook> i think thats the first time i did that one
[12:38] <prc> I have a problem with playing sounds
[12:38] <mwe> heh
[12:38] <Razor-X> I wonder...
[12:38] <Poromies> hmm, this sound-system thing seems to pop up quite often :|
[12:39] <Razor-X> how many people can use Dvorak keyboard layout, trackball, mostly everything terminal-ish, and emacs binds in everything terminal ;)
[12:39] <Whooper> Hey! I'm having trouble installing ubuntu.. the partitioner doesn't detect any partition on my drive... is there some other way to do this? =/
[12:39] <prc> does anyone know how to let a sound application and the os both play sounds
[12:39] <Razor-X> Whooper: what partiton is already on the drive?
[12:39] <nikkia> Razor-X: erm, can you repeat that, a little easier to understand?
[12:39] <Razor-X> nikkia: hmmmm?
[12:40] <jakobbg> :-))
[12:40] <Whooper> Razor-X: several.. I've had gentoo on it before, so it's a big root partition and swap partition atleast, including a windows partition
[12:40] <Seveas> prc, let the application use esd...
[12:40] <Whooper> Razor-X: the root partition is reiserfs btw
[12:40] <Erick_-> Do you know how to configure a wireless network using a belkin F5D7000 card?
[12:40] <Razor-X> Whooper: how many out of the thousands that use computers?
[12:40] <Razor-X> errr.. nevermind
[12:40] <Razor-X> disregard the last statement
[12:40] <Whooper> :)
[12:41] <Whooper> disregarded
[12:41] <Razor-X> Whooper: if you're using Gentoo, why not use something like cfdisk?
[12:41] <mwe> heh
[12:41] <prc> Sev, I'm using SND (I don't know if that makes any difference), and to let SND use esd, I have to kill the os sounds
[12:41] <Razor-X> you should have the uber sk1llage ;)
[12:41] <Razor-X> *ub3r
[12:41] <nikkia> razor, i meant repeat that comment about dvorak etc, it didn't really make sense, mostly because of 'mostly everything terminal' bit
[12:41] <sara_poo__> does anyone know the package name for sun's jre?
[12:41] <Whooper> Razor-X: not using gentoo right now though.. since windows has overwritten the mbr with lilo :)
[12:41] <yuacht> sara_poo__, hold on a sec, i'll look it up for you
[12:42] <sara_poo__> yuacht, thanks
[12:42] <Razor-X> Whooper: use a Linux boot-floppy
[12:42] <Whooper> Razor-X: ok.. I'll try that... what does cfdisk do?
[12:43] <yuacht> sara_poo__, sun-j2re1.5
[12:43] <yuacht> it's in the backports repo
[12:43] <mai> Whooper, it partitions your disk
[12:43] <Razor-X> nikkia: most every repeatable action (MP3 Player, text editor, directory rowsing) done in a terminal
[12:43] <siorfin> i am getting a cannot initialize mtab file on boot up no any clue how to fix that
[12:43] <sara_poo__> yuacht, ehh, i need 1.4.2
[12:43] <holycow> heh
[12:43] <Razor-X> Whooper: it's a command-line partitioner
[12:43] <Razor-X> just get SystemRescueCD
[12:43] <holycow> i had one dude sit down to take a go at using linux
[12:43] <nikkia> razor, i could, if i wanted to, but i choose not to
[12:43] <yuacht> sara_poo__, why?
[12:43] <Razor-X> you can never not benefit from having that
[12:43] <holycow> crashed the fucking thing hard
[12:43] <Whooper> Razor-X: ok.. same interface as fdisk?
[12:43] <holycow> within like 4 minutes
[12:43] <holycow> :)
[12:43] <Razor-X> nikkia: could you use it profficiently?
[12:43] <sara_poo__> yuacht, i want to install IBM's db2, and it says it needs 1.4.2
[12:43] <nikkia> razor, of course, i did for decades
[12:43] <Razor-X> Whooper: better, much better
[12:43] <sara_poo__> i guess i could try 1.6
[12:43] <sara_poo__> *1.5
[12:44] <Razor-X> nikkia: congrats!
[12:44] <prc> Seveas, any ideas?
[12:44] <nikkia> razor, when i started using linux, X wasn't even ported to it
[12:44] <Whooper> Razor-X: ah, good... i've had a hard time with fdisk :)
[12:44] <Razor-X> you used Dvorak?
[12:44] <sara_poo__> yuacht, thats not coming up in a search for me, I have universal sources, what am i missing?
[12:44] <Razor-X> Whooper: well, fdisk is pretty shitty
[12:44] <aurax> anyone here uses the hylafax?
[12:44] <nikkia> razor, yeah, used it for a couple of years, but choose not to use it anymore, i spend too much time shifting between systems
[12:44] <aurax> server*
[12:44] <Razor-X> nikkia: that's why I love my box ;)
[12:44] <Razor-X> it's all customized to me
[12:44] <yuacht> sara_poo__, try it
[12:45] <sara_poo__> yuacht, i will, thanks.  But any idea why it doesn't come up for me in an apt-cache search j2re ?  I have universal sources.....
[12:45] <nikkia> razor, that doesn't really help when i have to fix someone else's code at the office
[12:45] <yuacht> sara_poo__, it's in the backports repo
[12:45] <Razor-X> nikkia: i'm never going to go into computers anyways, so, I don't care ;0
[12:45] <Razor-X> *;)
[12:45] <Razor-X> programming is a nice hobby
[12:45] <Hanna_> i need some coffee.
[12:46] <Razor-X> but, no need to do it for a living
[12:46] <nikkia> razor, *shrug* i enjoy my programming job
[12:46] <Razor-X> no, that's where math comes in :)
[12:46] <asdx> is there a gui for iptables?
[12:46] <fsd3> hi i have a problem with my infrared. it was disabled in the bios when i installed ubuntu. (didn t know) . i want to use it. i installed all the tools but how do i get it work (kernel couldnt install it)
[12:46] <Poromies> coffee.. ooh
[12:46] <asdx> I need to configure a NAT server
[12:46] <Razor-X> asdx: doubt it
[12:46] <b_e_n_z> adsx, firestarter
[12:46] <Poromies> now theres a good idea, ill go get some for me to :)
[12:46] <asdx> b_e_n_z, ok :)
[12:46] <LexiCon[gsr-dj] > could someone please help me with the steps of recompiling a kernel?
[12:46] <sara_poo__> yuacht, i have backports repositorys, both as universe, multivers, main, restricted
[12:46] <Razor-X> b_e_n_z: firestarter is a firewall
[12:47] <Razor-X> iptables does much mor ethan just firewall
[12:47] <asdx> hmm
[12:47] <b_e_n_z> Razor-X, you don't have a clue do you?
[12:47] <yuacht> sara_poo__, use synaptic
[12:47] <asdx> I just need NAT
[12:47] <sara_poo__> yuacht, yup, doesn't come up there either
[12:47] <Poromies> sara_poo__: are you on 64bit?
[12:47] <sara_poo__> Poromies, yes
[12:47] <siorfin> i am getting cannot initialize mtab file on bootup how do i fix this
[12:47] <yuacht> sara_poo__, there you have it
[12:47] <sara_poo__> is java not available for 64 bit via apt ?
[12:47] <yuacht> java isnb't availible for 64bit
[12:47] <Poromies> sara_poo__: then you cant get it :)
[12:47] <sara_poo__> ahh... boo
[12:47] <sara_poo__> how do they install db2 on 64 bit servers?
[12:47] <mjr> yuacht, actually, it is
[12:47] <yuacht> i suggest you switch to i386 until ubuntu decides to include mutliarch
[12:48] <Poromies> yes it is, you have to use special debian rep
[12:48] <Poromies> i found that from forums
[12:48] <yuacht> ok sorry
[12:48] <yuacht> :=)
[12:48] <Poromies> you can get 1.4.2 by that way...
[12:48] <Razor-X> b_e_n_z: hmmmm?
[12:48] <mjr> (but I'm mostly drooling for free implementations anyway)
[12:48] <sara_poo__> ideally, i'd like 1.4.2 sun jre for my amd64, I'm not sure if thats possible.  I've been reading up on it and I haven't found out where to get it...
[12:49] <Razor-X> NAT \neq firewall
[12:49] <Poromies> 1 moment i try to google the forums :D
[12:49] <Razor-X> ;)
[12:49] <Hanna_> i often find myself drooling for coffee. like now.
[12:49] <sara_poo__> i could get it through java.sun.com, but they don't have deb's
[12:49] <holycow> there are debs you can use
[12:49] <concept10> Hanna_, make me a cup, please
[12:49] <siorfin> if they have rpm get that and convert it to deb
[12:49] <holycow> the info is on the ubuntu wiki
[12:49] <Hanna_> will do, mister.
[12:49] <sara_poo__> siorfin, hm.  ok.  Hope that sets my java paths, etc.
[12:50] <holycow> sara_poo__, i would search wiki first
[12:50] <holycow> the debs are created for ubuntu
[12:50] <ruggy> how good is ubuntu?
[12:50] <holycow> depends on your definition of good
[12:50] <siorfin> how do i initialize the mtab file, i am getting cannot initialize mtab files on bootup
[12:50] <Razor-X> ruggy: don't come to an Ubuntu channel to ask that ;)
[12:50] <sara_poo__> ruggy, on a scale of 1 to 10, one being highest 10 being highest, right dead center in the middle
[12:51] <Razor-X> we're all (most probably) biased
[12:51] <holycow> i love it, but when i let normal users use it i always find i have unexpected questions or situations
[12:51] <Razor-X> urrrgggghhhh, because screen crashed on my shell
[12:52] <toadflax> whois toadflax
[12:52] <Razor-X> my muscle memoy is having hell
[12:52] <Razor-X> >_<
[12:52] <ruggy> what package manager does ubuntu use?
[12:52] <Razor-X> I had my screen keycombos memorized >_<
[12:52] <yuacht> ruggy, synaptic, or apt-get
[12:52] <Poromies> sara_poo__: http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/java2-status/jdk1.4-status.html#debs
[12:52] <Razor-X> it uses a deb based package system
[12:52] <holycow> lol you guys are giving terrible info today
[12:52] <sara_poo__> Poromies, hmm... i hope that works with DB2
[12:52] <synd> is there a way to install everything but gnome?
[12:52] <holycow> stay away from blackdown java
[12:52] <holycow> thats horrible
[12:53] <Poromies> and that goes for everyone else running 64bit who want to get even some-sor-of-an-working-java :)
[12:53] <holycow> there are 1.5 jre debs out there
[12:53] <holycow> sheesh!
[12:53] <Razor-X> holycow: ;)
[12:53] <holycow> lemme find em, you guys should actually fix your java installs
[12:53] <Poromies> oh
[12:53] <Poromies> sry, didnt know that, havent checked for new versions -.-'
[12:54] <sara_poo__> sun jre, didn't see anything for 64 bit linux:  https://sdlcweb3d.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet;jsessionid=7B761B223F5267C4E292D8349FF64F61
[12:54] <siorfin> how do i initialize the mtab file at bootup
[12:54] <synd> ?
[12:54] <Razor-X> I don't give a crap about how old my Java install is
[12:54] <Razor-X> as long as it works
[12:55] <Razor-X> I use java very rarely
[12:55] <Razor-X> just for a hypercube site, actually
[12:55] <sara_poo__> Razor-X, thats how i am with my telnetd install
[12:56] <nikkia> razor, you will when you want to run something written by someone that wanted to use a linked list, a map, or so on
[12:56] <Razor-X> nikkia: I rarely have time to program anymore
[12:56] <Razor-X> I pursue Calculus in my free time
[12:56] <sara_poo__> yeah.  i want to write a linked list.
[12:56] <kjartan_> I'm having a problem with alsa it makes sound repeate for ever
[12:57] <nikkia> sara, no, i said wanted to *use*
[12:57] <Razor-X> ahhh, use, sorry
[12:57] <sara_poo__> nikkia, oh.  I want to use one too.
[12:57] <Poromies> hmm, i seem only to find that those blackdowns are the newest for 64bit
[12:57] <kjartan_> I'm using hoary
[12:57] <Razor-X> well, ok ok, when that time comes.... ;)
[12:57] <sara_poo__> I wonder if blackdown would work with DB2
[12:57] <kjartan_> And it worked and then it broke
[12:57] <nikkia> the 1.5 generics make using lists, maps and so on a *lot* easier for a programmer, so there is a lot of java software really starting to depend on them
[12:57] <sara_poo__> there is an IBM JRE 64 bit on the cd i think
[12:58] <nikkia> and of course, such java packages won't run on 1.4.x
[12:58] <sara_poo__> nikkia, i heard they had problems with backward compatability though ?
[12:58] <asdx> Is there a rc.local script so I can put my iptables command there??
[12:59] <Hanna_> well, have a nice morning/afternoon/evening or a good night dudes (and dudettes?), i'm off to bed.
[12:59] <Druke> I am trying to install my ati drivers via a thread in the ubuntu forums, it says to use the apt command "$ sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-<your-kernel-version> xorg-driver-fglrx"  however i'm not sure how to state my kernel version in th brackets, i'm using the latest download from the ubuntu site
[12:59] <Hanna_> with my coffee.
[12:59] <rasputnik>  sara_poo__: do sun not do a 64bit java then?
[12:59] <synd> Hanna_: take it easy
[12:59] <_0kills> take care Hanna_
[12:59] <MikeStyle> hey guys/girls, whenever i try to write a .iso file to a blank dvd disc it starts to write it, but then it doesnt recognize the disc as empty. what should i do?
[12:59] <Druke> good night
[12:59] <sara_poo__> Druke, try uname -a to see stuff
[12:59] <metzen> Druke: $ uname -r
[12:59] <sara_poo__> rasputnik, aparently not... that sounds crazy
[01:00] <prc> Whenever I run SND, I have to kill all of the system sounds.  Is there a way to have it both ways?
[01:00] <Druke> thank you sara_poo__ , and metzen
[01:00] <nikkia> sara, not that crazy...
[01:00] <asdx> Is there a rc.local script so I can put my iptables command there??
[01:00] <nikkia> x86 never really competed with sun's core business, AMD64 sure does
[01:00] <sara_poo__> well, we have a quad proc 2 gig suse db2 server at work
[01:00] <rasputnik> sara_poo__: if even sun can't be bothered, i'm not sure why anyone else would want to :)
[01:00] <sara_poo__> it runs 32 bit java?  db2 uses java for everything....
[01:00] <MikeStyle> ...anyone see my question?
[01:00] <Druke> hurrah it was -r!
[01:01] <Poromies> uch, maybe this whole 64bit world will be moving lot faster soon, now that intel is bringing out new 64bit celerons and all -.-'
[01:01] <asdx> Where can I put my iptables command so when I reboot ubuntu the iptables command runs???
[01:02] <synd> whats special about the celeron D?
[01:02] <MikeStyle> ........
[01:02] <sara_poo__> lol, I bet deb2rpm is not on amd64 either?
[01:02] <synd> MikeStyle: be patient, if anyone knows the answer or how to help, they will speak up
[01:02] <rasputnik> Poromies: Vanderpoll is the Next Big Thing.
[01:03] <MikeStyle> synd, okay thanks
[01:03] <rasputnik> MikeStyle: did you google the error?
[01:03] <yuacht> MikeStyle, give us the output if it's a single line
[01:03] <dair2> beginner question: can anyone help me with gDesklets and installing desklets (sidestripes)?
[01:04] <MikeStyle> yuacht: ill take some screenshots to show you.
[01:05] <racket2424> hey guys, im having trouble w/ Cisco Systems VPN Client Version 4.0.5
[01:05] <holycow> bah phone
[01:05] <holycow> where is the damend ubuntu jre 1.5 package
[01:05] <siorfin> im having problems initializing mtab file on bootup how do i fix that?
[01:05] <racket2424> the error its giving me is: Could not attach to driver. Is kernel module loaded?
[01:05] <racket2424> The application was unable to communicate with the VPN sub-system.
[01:05] <sara_poo__> so, ubuntu doesn't support multi-lib at all then?
[01:06] <sara_poo__> is that why apt-cache search doesn't find stuff ever?
[01:06] <yuacht> racket2424, sudo lsmod <- look for the module
[01:06] <MikeStyle> yuacht:Reload rewritable or blank media
[01:06] <MikeStyle> Please replace the in-drive media by a rewritable or blank media.
[01:06] <holycow> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java15
[01:06] <holycow> there you go
[01:06] <holycow> use that
[01:06] <asdx> Where can I put my iptables command so when I reboot ubuntu the iptables command runs???
[01:06] <yuacht> racket2424, lsmod | grep vpn
[01:06] <yuacht> try that
[01:07] <yuacht> MikeStyle, hmm... wait a sec
[01:07] <MikeStyle> yuacht: okay
[01:07] <siorfin> mtab, does anyone know anything about mtab?
[01:08] <yuacht> MikeStyle, check what cd device it's adjusted to use
[01:08] <racket2424> yuacht, if vpn is not listed...
[01:08] <asdx> is there a local rc file on ubuntu??
[01:08] <MikeStyle> yuacht, how would i chack that?
[01:08] <rasputnik> asdx: nobody knows
[01:08] <asdx> damn it
[01:09] <Wazdmin> everytime i reboot my mouse is not recognized ..the only way i can get it to work is to do the wrong thing..which is unplug it while my computer is on and then plug it back in..what do you think the problem is ?
[01:09] <yuacht> racket2424, i have no clue what module it's looking for
[01:09] <yuacht> MikeStyle, what app are you using?
[01:09] <MikeStyle> yuacht, the built in one in ubuntu
[01:09] <MikeStyle> yuacht, i cant get any other one to work
[01:09] <siorfin> mtab help anyone??
[01:10] <SavvyPlayer> when I attempt to load a 686 kernel (2.6.10-5 or 2.6.12) nvidia errors prevent loading gdm
[01:10] <rasputnik> siorfin: what's up with mtab
[01:10] <yuacht> MikeStyle, weird.
[01:10] <SavvyPlayer> this is a fresh hoary install + hoary updates to linux-686
[01:11] <lsuactiafner> well reinstall nvidia since you changed the kernel
[01:11] <lsuactiafner> the nvidia driver you currently have is for the old kernel
[01:11] <yuacht> MikeStyle, what apps have you used?
[01:11] <SavvyPlayer> reinstalling nvidia-glx does nothing...
[01:11] <siorfin> rapsputnik, i am getting cannot initialize mtab file on bootup all of a sudden and i know it is doing something as a result of that, i cant for istance select / for searching via places > search for files
[01:11] <MikeStyle> yuacht, none, every time i try to install one from synaptics it closes itself
[01:12] <lsuactiafner> SavvyPlayer : becuase you need to isntall the nvidia driver not glx
[01:12] <yuacht> MikeStyle, try terminal
[01:12] <yuacht> sudo apt-get install gnomebaker
[01:12] <Wazdmin> i got a little mouse problem..everytime i reboot i need to unplug and plug back in my mouse while my computer is on..what do you think the problem could be ?
[01:12] <MikeStyle> yuacht, trust me ive tried that, it says E: Broken Packages
[01:12] <SavvyPlayer> i thought glx "was" the driver
[01:12] <vinux> SavvyPlayer, when you solve this problem let me know hehe. There was one time where I installed 686 kernel and somehow it configured everthing for me including nvidia kernel and glx!!!! Don't even ask me how but it worked
[01:12] <lsuactiafner> maybe i'm wrong
[01:12] <lsuactiafner> yeh i'm wrong
[01:12] <yuacht> MikeStyle, sudo apt-get check
[01:13] <obex> no sound with totem it says it needs plugins  instaled any hints on what packages to install?
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> i compile my own kernel and drivers so yah
[01:13] <MikeStyle> yuacht, root or normal
[01:13] <yuacht> normal
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> hmmk so anyone care to explain -autoq in mplayer for me in more detai?
[01:13] <SavvyPlayer> me too -- i document all changes I make to the install, and I recently upgraded, now my original docs result in this error
[01:13] <vinux> lsuactiafner, oh so I just need to install the nvidia kernel?
[01:13] <MikeStyle> yuacht, okay it checked package lists and dependancy tree
[01:13] <siorfin> rasputnik i am getting cannot initialize mtab file on bootup all of a sudden and i know it is doing something as a result of that, i cant for istance select / for searching via places > search for files any clues er no?
[01:14] <lsuactiafner> i imagine you need to geta kernel that works for your system, and then you need to download the correspondin nvida driver
[01:14] <alper_tr> how would i change the splash ubuntu logo while loading gnome(that rectangular window, informing screen ready,keyboard )
[01:14] <Wazdmin> mouse not being recognized after reboot..could that be a hardware problem in my bios ?
[01:15] <MikeStyle> yuacht, then i tried sudo apt-get install gnomebaker and it almost finishes but then i get E: broken packages
[01:15] <rasputnik> siorfin: are you on hoary? what does ls -l /etc/mtab look like?
[01:15] <alper_tr> how would i change the splash ubuntu logo while loading gnome(that rectangular window, informing screen ready,keyboard )
[01:15] <yuacht> MikeStyle, check synaptic->broken packages
[01:15] <alper_tr> that logo, right after the login
[01:16] <vinux> lsuactiafner, so nvidia-kernel-common I think is what I need plus reinstall the glx huh?
[01:16] <siorfin> rasputnik: yes hoary, ls: /etc/mtab: Input/output error
[01:16] <siorfin> , in file browser it is listed as unknown file type
[01:16] <SavvyPlayer> alper_tr: why on earth would you want to change that?
[01:16] <computerguy867> sometimes, seemingly for no reason, at random times, i loose the ability to open multiple terminals, and evolution wont open.  What could be causing this?
[01:16] <MikeStyle> yuacht, even after synaptic > fix broken packages i still get E: Broken Packages
[01:16] <alper_tr> because i want to use something else
[01:17] <rasputnik> siorfin: that's odd, you'd expect 'permission denied' or something.
[01:17] <alper_tr> isnt it simply a png pic... it might have been easy
[01:17] <rob^> doh
[01:17] <yuacht> MikeStyle, what package were broken?
[01:17] <alper_tr> i checked login screen setup .... however i failed
[01:17] <MikeStyle> yuacht, it didnt tell me, it just said it fixed the broken packages
[01:17] <siorfin> rasputnik: it is 0 bytes so nothing is even in it
[01:18] <rasputnik> siorfin: you should still be able to 'ls -l' it
[01:18] <SavvyPlayer> but rebooting is so infrequent... dont you have bigger fish to fry?
[01:18] <vinux> SavvyPlayer, hmm i'm going to install the 686 kernel again and do #sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common #sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx and hopefully that should work
[01:18] <siorfin> rasputnik: i know, what is supposed to be in it? maybe i can fix it manually
[01:18] <yuacht> MikeStyle, if you go Synaptic -> Custom -> Broken, what packages are there?
[01:18] <SavvyPlayer> i'll try that too
[01:18] <alper_tr> any idea SavvyPlayer?
[01:18] <JDigital> Urgent question. How do I share a folder on a Windows network to be writable?
[01:18] <rasputnik> siorfin: it's effectively /proc/mounts. if you're desperate you can symlink to that
[01:18] <SavvyPlayer> common is installed by default
[01:19] <JDigital> Such that people on the Windows network can put things into it.
[01:19] <SavvyPlayer> but i'll remove it and reinstall
[01:19] <rasputnik> siorfin: but hold on, I'm having a look at mine
[01:19] <MikeStyle> yuacht, im in synaptic and i dont see and "custom" selection to choose from
[01:19] <vinux> SavvyPlayer, hehe yea i'm going to try it now
[01:19] <JDigital> I tried System > Administration > Shared folders, but that didn't work
[01:19] <SavvyPlayer> rasputnik: samba
[01:19] <JDigital> I tried chmodding a bunch of stuff 777, that didn't work
[01:19] <siorfin> rasputnik: ok
[01:19] <yuacht> MikeStyle, bottom left corner, a buttom+
[01:19] <kev0r> anyone here that can write a Mozilla THunderbird extention?
[01:20] <MikeStyle> yuacht, nope there's none there
[01:20] <yuacht> MikeStyle, what the...? give me a screenshot
[01:20] <JDigital> Wow, 438 people.
[01:21] <JDigital> hey I missed a bug day
[01:21] <JDigital> I know that Windows can let me share a folder so that anyone can write to it, see
[01:21] <MikeStyle> yuacht: 16312 packages listed, 870 installed, 0 broken, 0 to install/upgrade, 0 to remove
[01:21] <rasputnik> siorfin: did ls -l return anything other than 'IOError'?
[01:21] <JDigital> but, I'm trying to get Ubuntu to do the same
[01:21] <SavvyPlayer> alper: this is difficult to debug as tools like lsof are not available
[01:22] <yuacht> MikeStyle, try reinstalling ubuntu, might do the trick :/
[01:22] <yuacht> JDigital, yes, and?
[01:22] <siorfin> rasputnik: thats it, just the error i cut/pasted here
[01:22] <MikeStyle> yuacht, then ill lose all data and the data i need is on here. plus i dont have the install disc
[01:23] <SavvyPlayer> I go try nvidia reinstall...
[01:23] <yuacht> MikeStyle, okay, well, i can't help you sorry, post at the forums
[01:23] <JDigital> yuacht: and it's giving me access denied when I try to copy from the Windows machine to my own
[01:23] <rasputnik> siorfin: looks to me like /etc/mtab is created when you go single user (grep -r mtab /etc|less)
[01:23] <JDigital> ...ah, I fixed it by making another share.
[01:23] <yuacht> JDigital, :)
[01:23] <JDigital> :)
[01:24] <rasputnik> soo - you could try 'sudo mv /etc/mtab /etc/mtab.fuxored' and reboot, see if it's recreated
[01:24] <siorfin> hmm ill try that lol nice name btw, gimme a few minutes
[01:24] <Wazdmin> E: Couldn't find package azureus
[01:24] <Wazdmin> ..thats the message i get when im try and install azureus
[01:25] <yuacht> Wazdmin, enable all the repos
[01:25] <Wazdmin> i dont know how to do that
[01:25] <Wazdmin> i just installed linux today
[01:25] <silmaris> ./j #lot
[01:25] <silmaris> err
[01:25] <silmaris> sorry
[01:25] <Wazdmin> i have all ready add extra repsitories ..is that u mean
[01:26] <yuacht> Wazdmin, yes, indeed
[01:26] <Wazdmin> wel then wtf
[01:26] <yuacht> Wazdmin, try sudo apt-get update
[01:26] <rasputnik> siorfin: the creation happens in /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh, search for mtab.
[01:26] <Wazdmin> kk
[01:26] <yuacht> then sudo apt-get install azureus
[01:27] <siorfin> rasputnik: cant delete it, giving that same i/o error
[01:27] <siorfin> rasputnik: cant rename it either
[01:27] <silmaris> read that www.ubuntuguide.org you can find a section on installing azureus (with java)
[01:27] <rasputnik> siorfin: is your root fs read-only by any chance? try 'sudo touch /foo'
[01:28] <Wazdmin> i get an error..it saying duplicate sources
[01:28] <rasputnik> siorfin: hang on, clue check - you need to be root (or sudo) to mess with /etc, right?
[01:28] <Wazdmin> i must have messed up adding repos
[01:28] <siorfin> rasputnik: i believe so yes
[01:29] <siorfin> i just did the sudo touch foo and it went thoruhg fine, not sure what it did since it gave no messages
[01:29] <yuacht> siorfin, creatad a new empty file called foo
[01:29] <rasputnik> siorfin: it just makes an empty file called foo (I'm checking you can write to /)
[01:29] <oneup> Hi
[01:30] <siorfin> rasputnik: foo is created on / so apparently as sudo i can
[01:30] <Wazdmin> i wonder if im suppose to have the first two links on the repos source list
[01:30] <alper_tr> how would i change the splash ubuntu logo while loading gnome(that rectangular window, informing screen ready,keyboard
[01:31] <rasputnik> siorfin: and /etc is mounted under / ? (not on it's own partition?)
[01:32] <oneup> just come for a look only just had ubuntu
[01:33] <siorfin> rasputnik: far as i can tell yes, it shuold be mounted however the install cd mounted it i made no custom changes
[01:33] <rasputnik> siorfin: if I was you I'd boot single user, blow away /etc/mtab and then reboot again
[01:33] <siorfin> rasputnik: ok how do i boot single user? not familiar with that term
[01:34] <rasputnik> siorfin: you type 'linux single' at the grub prompt
[01:34] <oneup> I want to try ubuntu on an old pc ,petium 2 with 128 meg of ram ,will it work ok on that please?
[01:34] <vinux> Woot I got my image-686 working!!!!! To get nvidia stuff to work you need to install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-686. The "686" on the end is what you need to look for!
[01:34] <siorfin> ok brb ill try that
[01:35] <tiglionabbit> hey guys.  When a program (like dpkg) tries to display a whiptail message box, it shows up all garbled with a^s on the sides.  I think my console graphics character set is messed up.
[01:35] <rasputnik> hmm, wonder if he'll be back :/
[01:35] <rasputnik> tiglionabbit : what terminal?
[01:35] <tiglionabbit> it shows up fine in X, but in textmode it is all garbled
[01:35] <Wazdmin> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages  (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-amd64_ Packages)
[01:35] <Wazdmin> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Pa ckages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_restricted_b inary-amd64_Packages)
[01:35] <Wazdmin> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[01:36] <Wazdmin> can someone help me fix thatr
[01:36] <Wazdmin> thats what i get when i run apt-get update
[01:36] <rasputnik> Wazdmin: 'You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[01:36] <rasputnik> '?
[01:36] <bimberi> oneup: Gnome might be a bit slow on that.  If so you could try a server install and then install xfce or fluxbox instead of gnome
[01:36] <rasputnik> tiglionabbit : seen it before with ncurses - ok on xterms, messy on vt100s
[01:36] <tiglionabbit> Wazdmin: that means exactly what it says.  Take a look at your /etc/apt/sources.list and delete the duplicates
[01:37] <tiglionabbit> rasputnik: so what should I do?
[01:37] <Wazdmin> i dont see them though..thats exactly what i just looked at
[01:37] <rasputnik> tiglionabbit : if it was me, I'd swear a bit.
[01:37] <tiglionabbit> =p
[01:37] <tiglionabbit> that doesn't help
[01:37] <jasoncohen> i installed gtk2-engines-industrial but i don't have the option to use industrial icons or window borders
[01:37] <LinuxJones> tiglionabbit, did yoyu do a normal Hoaryinstallation or a custom install ?
[01:37] <oneup> thank ,how much more ram would it need to be acceptable please ?
[01:37] <rasputnik> tiglionabbit : try other words :)
[01:37] <tiglionabbit> LinuxJones: normal, and whiptail looked fine while it was installing
[01:38] <rasputnik> tiglionabbit : what's 'echo $TERM' say?
[01:38] <jasoncohen> what other packages do i need to get the full industrial theme?
[01:38] <tiglionabbit> "linux"
[01:39] <rasputnik> tiglionabbit : then that's probably it. under x it'll say 'xterm'. Don't know of a fix, but I doubt it's a font thing
[01:39] <jp> jasoncohen gnome extra themes
[01:39] <bimberi> oneup, Not sure sorry - it might be more a matter of processor speed.
[01:40] <rasputnik> siorfin: box didn't catch fire then?
[01:40] <siorfin> rasputnik: ok i went into boot menu, hit "c" for command line then at grub prompt i hit linux single and it said bad command ?
[01:40] <jp> jasoncohen industrial icons aren't included on hoary :)
[01:40] <rasputnik> siorfin: let me try, my memory is shit
[01:40] <oneup> bimberi  I have more powerful puter ,I just want to see if linux claim to work ok on low spec puter really works !
[01:41] <jp> jasoncohen, if you want the install ubuntu-artwork from warty (downgrade)
[01:41] <jasoncohen> jp, gnome-themes-extras are already included
[01:41] <siorfin> rasputnik: i did help didnt see that as a command option
[01:41] <jp> jasoncohen, if you want them you have to install ubuntu-artwork from warty (downgrade)
[01:41] <jasoncohen> ok
[01:41] <bimberi> oneup: Give it a try then :)
[01:41] <jasoncohen> why would they get rid of industrial icons? that's the default in debian and i found it quite nice
[01:41] <jp> jasoncohen ubuntu artwork downgrade is fully supported :)
[01:42] <jp> jasoncohen, it's an option :)
[01:42] <jasoncohen> ok, i'll download warty's ubuntu-artwork
[01:42] <oneup> bimberi will ubuntu recognise most hardware,I think puter in question has a voodoo graphics card ?
[01:42] <jp> jasoncohen, I think it's 0.14 version of that
[01:42] <jasoncohen> i see 0.2.14.2-1
[01:43] <bimberi> oneup: hardware recognition gets better the older the hardware as there has been more time for someone to develop a free driver
[01:44] <jasoncohen> ok, i replaced ubuntu-artwork with warty's version
[01:45] <ttj> I could use a configuration setup (pxelinux.cfg/default and vmlinuz/initrd.gz) for PXEboot into an installation of ubuntu (netinstall, as I don't have any removable media on my laptop), where would I find that?
[01:45] <oneup> bimberi   I had heard graphics cards were the most difficult things in linux !
[01:46] <jp> jasoncohen ?
[01:46] <bimberi> oneup: probably although i think wireless is competing strongly though :)
[01:46] <jasoncohen> jp, well, i installed ubuntu-artwork. it changed my gdm theme and background but i still don't see industrial as a theme
[01:46] <zenlunatic> um my trash won't empty in gnome. any ideas?
[01:46] <jasoncohen> or industrial icons
[01:46] <Wazdmin> ok..i fixed my duplicate sources.but i still cant get auzreus
[01:47] <jasoncohen> jp, *installed ubuntu-artwork from warty that is
[01:47] <jasoncohen> ii  ubuntu-artwork 0.2.14.2-1     Ubuntu themes and artwork
[01:47] <ttj> zenlunatic: cd Desktop/.Trash and rm <file>
[01:47] <fang77> Hello all
[01:47] <scott> anyone know of a gnome applet for controlling totem from the panel?
[01:47] <fang77> Hi Seveas
[01:47] <rasputnik> siorfin: ok, just done it. you need to:
[01:47] <alper_tr> i have question.. how would overwrite a file over terminal.. if i mean copying a file with the name of the same file
[01:47] <oneup> bimberi  this puter I am usuing is 1.8 athlon XP with 768 meg  ram and seems to have no prob with ubuntu ,even managed to get live 365 radio stations  working via alsa sound !
[01:47] <zenlunatic> ttj: um should "empty trash" in menu just work
[01:47] <siorfin> all ears
[01:48] <alper_tr> is it ok if i write... cp x /usr/shr/
[01:48] <fang77> Newbie question. How do I know if samba is loading at startup?
[01:48] <bimberi> oneup: Great!
[01:48] <ttj> zenlunatic: yes, but if there are files there you don't have permission to remove, they won't be removed
[01:48] <rasputnik> choose the grub entry, press 'e', select the 'kernel' line, press 'e', add ' single' to the end of that line, and then press 'b' to boot that entry
[01:48] <bimberi> oneup: Hmm, no mention of voodoo at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards - which doesn't mean much either way
[01:49] <rasputnik> I'm used to bsd though, where single user just mounts the root fs and stops. ubuntu does a bit more, but hopefully you'll still be able to get at /etc/mtab
[01:49] <martman> does anyone know if i can boot the install off a floppy and run it over a network? my burner crapped out on me so i cant do it the normal way
[01:49] <oneup> bimberi  lol ,thanks for looking,I know it a 32 meg card,3sfx comes to mind,I bought it on ebay for a very few pounds just to try !
[01:49] <martman> and it may be awhile
[01:50] <martman> so id like a workaround
[01:50] <Wazdmin> E: Couldn't find package azureus
[01:50] <Wazdmin> y yy y yy
[01:50] <siorfin> rasputnik: all ears :)
[01:50] <Wazdmin> i ran apt -get update
[01:50] <rasputnik> siorfin: I said "choose the grub entry, press 'e', select the 'kernel' line, press 'e', add ' single' to the end of that line,
[01:50] <rasputnik>             and then press 'b' to boot that entry
[01:50] <rasputnik> "
[01:50] <zenlunatic> ttj: um it looks like it was deleted but the icons didn't go away when i opened nautilus window. why is that?
[01:51] <zenlunatic> ttj: the icons on my desktop don't refresh either. i have to cntrl-r it.
[01:52] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[01:52] <jasoncohen> jp, installing warty's ubuntu-artwork didn't work
[01:52] <jasoncohen> jp, i still don't see industrial as a theme choice
[01:52] <Wazdmin> ok wtf
[01:52] <black_Nightmare> just wondering but anyone here have ubuntu on G3's?
[01:52] <Wazdmin> y cant i download azureus
[01:52] <zenlunatic> black_Nightmare: i have it on g3
[01:53] <black_Nightmare> zenlunatic...mind telling me mhz, ram, and hd size?
[01:53] <ttj> zenlunatic: No idea, sorry :/
[01:53] <zenlunatic> black_Nightmare: 600mhz, 384ram, 20gigs
[01:53] <martman> does anyone know if i can boot the install off a floppy and run it over a network? my burner crapped out on me so i cant do it the normal way and it could take awhile
[01:53] <black_Nightmare> umm I think thats a G4?
[01:54] <zenlunatic> black_Nightmare: um no
[01:54] <black_Nightmare> G3 went to 450mhz max in the B&W
[01:54] <zenlunatic> black_Nightmare: up they had like 900mhz g3 ibooks
[01:54] <oneup> time to go good night to you all
[01:55] <asimismo> Anyone do evms on RAID1 I can ask a few questions?
[01:55] <bimberi> oneup: 'night
[01:55] <black_Nightmare> zen..oh..hmm you know thats too funny..desktop stops at 450mhz and changes to G4 but laptops still go on to higher G3 speeds....oh well
[01:55] <BadTrash> black_Nightmare are you stalking me :D
[01:55] <black_Nightmare> sorry...I stand corrected by you
[01:55] <goldfish> emm, n00b questioin, im setting up my wireless network, gonna stick a wep key on it, any tools to generate wep keys?
[01:56] <goldfish> *question
[01:56] <black_Nightmare> :p
[01:56] <BadTrash> hehe
[01:56] <black_Nightmare> zen.....well..what did you think of ubuntu on that ibook of yours?
[01:57] <rasputnik> black_Nightmare : G3 runs cool. I'm sat with a SpeeSTep Centrino on my lap and it's almost scorching me. G4 laptops would hurt :)
[01:57] <wazdmin> ya..i still cant install azureus
[01:57] <black_Nightmare> well I'm kinda curious about a 266mhz G3.....hm guess I'll perhaps just start with mac os for now and decide about it from a livecd maybe
[01:58] <rasputnik> wazadmin: are you spelling it right?
[01:58] <bimberi> wazdmin: I'm fairly sure it was in the multiverse repository but it isn't there now.  I checked on packages.ubuntu.com
[01:58] <siorfin> rasputnik: im in single user now but still cant delete it or rename it or whatever
[01:58] <asimismo> *sigh* no one ever pipes up on the evms topic, either here or even on #evms. Isn't anyone using it? Do people use LVM directly?
[01:58] <bimberi> wazdmin: perhaps it's in backports
[01:58] <wazdmin> so u r saying its not my fault..
[01:59] <rasputnik> siorfin: that's bizarre.
[01:59] <wazdmin> im not sure how to install it
[01:59] <siorfin> rasputnik: is there some disk utility i can run like scandisk for winblows to check for disk errors?
[01:59] <rasputnik> siorfin: only other thing I can think of is booting off the live cd, mounting the hdd root partition and removing it that way
[02:00] <bimberi> wazdmin: yes - i don't think it's your fault
[02:00] <bimberi> :)
[02:00] <rasputnik> siorfin : just do a quick 'lsattr /etc/mtab' - it should be all '-----' before the filename
[02:01] <siorfin> rasputnik: no such file
[02:01] <wazdmin> good
[02:01] <rasputnik> siorfin: that's hosed :/ - try the live cd, that might finally get it sorted
[02:02] <bimberi> brb
[02:03] <siorfin> rasputnik: ok i just created another mtab file and it renamed mtab to mtab.bak lol
[02:03] <wazdmin> i have been waiting at updating chrome registry for like fifteen mins when installing thunderbird
[02:03] <siorfin> rasputnik: now i did the lsattr mtab and got the ---
[02:04] <black_Nightmare> quick question but does ubuntu support pcmcia card hotswapping?
[02:05] <siorfin> rasputnik: gonna try rebooting i setup permissions for mtab file now, i tried doing properties on the mtab.bak and it disappeared, go figure will see if everything is fixed now
[02:06] <black_Nightmare> hm anyone? :p
[02:08] <holycow> pcmcia hotswapping?
[02:08] <black_Nightmare> holy..yeah
[02:08] <holycow> weird question, i've tried it once, it worked
[02:08] <holycow> i am not sure that counts
[02:08] <bimberi> wazdmin: Have a look at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ for how to set up backports.  An azureus install might work using their repositories.
[02:08] <black_Nightmare> hmm ok ty
[02:08] <wazdmin> aight
[02:08] <holycow> but hotplug basically is supposed to do all that
[02:09] <wazdmin> after i am done with my multimedia codecs
[02:09] <wazdmin> = )
[02:09] <wazdmin> thanks
[02:09] <black_Nightmare> another question.....swapping expansion bay drives while still powered on? (mac os has some support for this as far as I can determine)
[02:09] <bimberi> wazdmin: When using backports it's important to only use them for an install of a package.  You shoudl disable them when doing a general upgrade.
[02:09] <holycow> ide drives instead of sata?
[02:09] <bimberi> *should
[02:09] <holycow> your gambling with your hard drives
[02:10] <black_Nightmare> no I didn't mean hds...one second let me find that picture again to show..
[02:10] <black_Nightmare> holy...here the labels that says 'bale gauche...' and 'bale droite...' are expansion bays http://www.powerbook-fr.com/pbg3/caracteristiques/wallstreet/images/PortsWallstreet.jpg
[02:11] <black_Nightmare> obviously they're useable for 2nd battery, disk/zip drive, or MO's
[02:11] <black_Nightmare> I'm sure these could be removed while os is still running
[02:11] <fundle> any idea why i can't go above 640x480 even after editing my xorg.conf ?
[02:11] <fundle> this is a fresh install on a dell 1100 lattop
[02:12] <black_Nightmare> fundle....graphic card support?
[02:12] <holycow> black_Nightmare, its a two part question
[02:12] <holycow> a: is the hardware designed for that
[02:12] <black_Nightmare> 640x480 is kinda supposed to be the 'unsupported' res
[02:12] <fundle> black: not sure
[02:12] <wazdmin> ya..i checked my sources list..i already have those installed
[02:12] <holycow> and b: can the os detect hardware changes
[02:12] <siorfin> rasputnik: everything works now thanks, creating a new file fixed it
[02:12] <holycow> the answer to b: is yes
[02:12] <fundle> black: let me lspci
[02:12] <black_Nightmare> holy...as far as I've found.. mac os supports some bay swapping (same to pcmcia if not in use too)
[02:12] <holycow> the answer to a: is, well take a chance bucky, let us know if your laptop survives
[02:13] <wazdmin> bimberi : is it ppossible i might need to enable those backports
[02:13] <holycow> black_Nightmare, its a two part question
[02:13] <holycow> don't ignore a:
[02:13] <black_Nightmare> hehe ok
[02:13] <holycow> you could be sorry
[02:13] <black_Nightmare> well holy..if people say mac os supports it then...why couldn't another os? :-)
[02:13] <black_Nightmare> but again..I'll see ;)
[02:13] <fundle> black: 82845g/gl brookdale-g is what it says
[02:13] <bimberi> wazdmin: yes - if you want to install azureus
[02:13] <wazdmin> how do i enable them
[02:13] <black_Nightmare> fundle..errumm..that sounds like intel graphics to me (they had 'GL' names too)
[02:13] <holycow> black_Nightmare, your thjinking of running ubuntu on a powerbook?
[02:14] <fundle> black: it is intel
[02:14] <black_Nightmare> holy...maybe...or just mac os alone..not sure...would have to make a ubuntu/ppc livecd to try the pb with
[02:14] <holycow> i have no clue, i don't run those. hotplug should detec all hardware changes and so far its rarely borked
[02:14] <holycow> black_Nightmare, what is it with you and the os?
[02:14] <black_Nightmare> fundle...humm well it should be able to use any intel GL drivers
[02:14] <holycow> here is an experiment to prove that ELECTRICITY matters
[02:14] <black_Nightmare> not sure what problem could be
[02:14] <lao_v> hi guys..has anyone come accross this error when setting up postfix+mysql? Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[02:15] <holycow> stick your hand in  your desktop pc and yank the power off of the hd
[02:15] <fundle> black: so what do you suggest i do ?
[02:15] <holycow> then plug it back in
[02:15] <bimberi> wazdmin: add the two lines after "Example Hoary configuration:" on that page to your /etc/apt/sources.list .  Then run sudo apt-get update
[02:15] <wazdmin> thats what im sayin
[02:15] <holycow> whatch your ide hd light up like a n xmas tree
[02:15] <wazdmin> i already did that
[02:15] <holycow> and you lying on the floor wondering where the truck came from
[02:15] <black_Nightmare> fundle...not sure sorry
[02:15] <wazdmin> srry if i wasnt clear
[02:15] <black_Nightmare> holy...I didn't said 'hd' btw :-)
[02:15] <lamont> lao_v: it's probably because it's chrooted...
[02:16] <holycow> i don't understand how you thinkthat hardware can just be pulled out magically?
[02:16] <lamont> use proxy:mysql:<name> instead of mysql:<name> for the map
[02:16] <holycow> unless it is designed for that?
[02:16] <black_Nightmare> but again..I'll probably try the pb with a livecd then...try swap one bay and see if that works for ubuntu too [not just mac os that is] 
[02:16] <bimberi> wazdmin: np - i think it's more a matter of me coming in late on your problem.  Obviously azureus isn't in backports either (i was only guessing)
[02:16] <holycow> *sigh* okay whatever i'm not answering any more of your questions
[02:16] <wazdmin> oic..i wonder if this can be fixed
[02:16] <bimberi> bimberi: the next option is to find and download a DEB file for azureus
[02:16] <PilotKat> hello to everybody
[02:17] <PilotKat> is it here where I could have my "little" problems with ubuntu solved?
[02:17] <lao_v> lamont: i've already looked at that..and its not chrooted
[02:17] <holycow> why are you guys downloading azureus as a deb?
[02:17] <reka> PilotKat: we try and fix the big ones too. :)
[02:17] <holycow> just install the jre1.5 package
[02:17] <bodly> or just download the tar.gz file and unpack it and run it from there.  that's what I do
[02:17] <lao_v> smtp line has: smtp      inet  n       -       n       -       -       smtpd
[02:17] <jp> http://www.bancomicsans.com/home.html <- HAHAHAHA
[02:17] <holycow> download azereus and do jre -jar azareus.jar
[02:17] <holycow> how hard can it be?
[02:18] <holycow> you can create a start icon and paste that into it as well
[02:18] <wazdmin> ok..ill do that..thanks for ur help
[02:18] <bodly> there's also a startup script
[02:18] <bimberi> wazdmin: np - try here: http://packages.debian.org/testing/net/azureus
[02:18] <holycow> azureus actually made it to debian?
[02:18] <holycow> wow!
[02:19] <holycow> heh :)
[02:19] <holycow> bimberi, i haveto say, good find
[02:19] <PilotKat> so ... here is my question ... im trying to install kubuntu 5.04 and my screen goes blank after the big list of stuff that is detected ... im running a TravelMate 4000 ... any help? 'pretty plzzzzz with sugar on top'
[02:19] <moparfan90> hello
[02:19] <bimberi> holycow: thanks - i did have some googly assistance though :)
[02:19] <moparfan90> i am trying to install WineCVS.sh file and i am getting an error can some one help me with this??
[02:20] <Sonderblade> is the ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso broken? I've compared the md5sum of the file with the one in the MD5SUMS file and they match
[02:20] <Sonderblade> and then i've burnt it on 3 cds and they all have the same integrity problem on the same package
[02:20] <PilotKat> i haven't checked the md5sum since the CD starts when rebooting the machine
[02:21] <Burgundavia> Sonderblade, that sounds more likely a cdrom issue
[02:21] <JayParadise> why won't the network-admin tool keep my network settings? i only have one profile, i enter it all in right, and when an interupt in ocnnection or my lease expires, the stupid network-admin tool fails to resend the same settings
[02:21] <moparfan90> i am trying to install WineCVS.sh file and i am getting an error can some one help me with this??
[02:21] <Sonderblade> Burgundavia: not unlikely, but it is always the same error in the ifrename package
[02:22] <bimberi> holycow: Oo I missed that question regarding DEB.  If I can I try to use debian packages for everything because it means that will continue to be managed/upgraded by apt.
[02:22] <bimberi> s/that will/that it will/
[02:22] <Burgundavia> Sonderblade, you tried the cd with a different machine?
[02:23] <Sonderblade> Burgundavia: no but i burnt it 3 times... with different speed on the cd burner :)
[02:23] <PilotKat> join
[02:23] <reka> PilotKat: so do you get to the blue screen?
[02:23] <Burgundavia> Sonderblade, the cdrom has a built in tester
[02:23] <wazdmin> o ya..i need java before i can install azureus correct ?
[02:24] <bodly> wazdmin: only if you want it to do anything
[02:24] <bimberi> wazdmin: yes - surely backports brings THAT in
[02:24] <PilotKat> reka: I can use the F keys to read the instructions ... screen goes blanck after I press 'return' or I type 'linux' and return ... or any other option
[02:24] <wazdmin> lmao
[02:24] <PilotKat> and nothing happens after that
[02:24] <wazdmin> alright
[02:24] <xiximkopp> hello, is it possible to change the mixer device i can control with my multimedia keyboard in gnome (from master -> pcm)?
[02:24] <Sonderblade> Then if it is the CD-drive, isn't there a way to install ubuntu from the net?
[02:25] <moparfan90> can some one help me with an error in the install of wineX via CVS
[02:25] <reka> PilotKat: my guess is that it's possibly something to do with your monitor.
[02:25] <bodly> PilotKat: sounds like a framebuffer issue, check the options for running it with now framebuffer
[02:25] <xiximkopp> moparfan90: what is your error?
[02:26] <bodly> err  s/with now/without/
[02:26] <PilotKat> reka, bodly: i was wondering about that ... i saw an option about frambuffer ... i'll try that right now ... thanx for the advice :)
[02:26] <moparfan90> error....  WineCVS.sh line 728
[02:26] <wazdmin> i didnt seea  how to on the unofficial guide...will it work if i do a sudo a pt-get inst all java
[02:26] <moparfan90> and the script only goes up to line 124
[02:26] <moparfan90> ????/
[02:27] <zenlunatic> why doesnt' gnome update icons on the fly?
[02:27] <reka> wazdmin: java install:
[02:27] <bodly> moparfan90: it is probably sourcing another script
[02:27] <reka> download the .bin file
[02:27] <reka> from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package,
[02:27] <reka> chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] ,
[02:27] <reka> dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[02:28] <moparfan90> what do i do. does anyone else have this installed ok on there computer
[02:28] <wazdmin> kk
[02:28] <wazdmin> i feel like a dumbass..ive never had this many questions in my life ever
[02:28] <bodly> moparfan90: nope, sorry.  haven't tried it
[02:28] <bimberi> wazdmin: Does "apt-get install sun-j2re1.5" work?
[02:28] <wazdmin> havent tried
[02:28] <xiximkopp> moparfan90: i tried it some time ago. what script did you use?
[02:28] <moparfan90> WineCVS.sh from linux-gamers.net
[02:29] <reka> bimberi, wazdmin: i got those instructions from an op's post, and i've seen it recommended a few times, so i'd assume that'd be the best way to do it.
[02:29] <wazdmin> no it dont find the package
[02:29] <bimberi> reka: ok thanks reka
[02:30] <wazdmin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java15
[02:30] <wazdmin> im gonna do this
[02:30] <asimismo> If not evms, then how about lvm and raid1--anyone with expertise?
[02:31] <bimberi> wazdmin: yep - if it's no the wiki it should be OK also
[02:32] <xiximkopp> moparfan90: i'm tring it myself, maybe i can help
[02:33] <moparfan90> ok
[02:33] <moparfan90> do you have AIM ??
[02:34] <hawke> AIM sucks.
[02:34] <moparfan90> xiximkopp: do you have AIM??
[02:34] <moparfan90> o well
[02:34] <bimberi> wazdmin: Hmm.  I tried connecting to that java repository in FireFox and it asked for a un/pw.  It's probably been locked down.
[02:35] <bimberi> wazdmin: Further down that wiki page are similar instructions to what reka described.  Hopefully they will work for you.
[02:36] <wazdmin> naw
[02:36] <wazdmin> i just tried them all
[02:36] <wazdmin> it must be like a down network or somin
[02:37] <evader> Hi. Is there any channels relating to Beagle? I've got it working, but my RAM usage is quite high & beagle-status doesn't give me output.
[02:37] <wazdmin> has anyone esle tried to ee if they could do so
[02:37] <bimberi> wazdmin: even downloading from sun?
[02:37] <wazdmin> havent tried that
[02:37] <wazdmin> im goin to now
[02:37] <Burgundavia> evader, do you use blam?
[02:37] <Burgundavia> evader, and where are you getting your beagle/mono from?
[02:38] <wazdmin> i think i need dektop java
[02:39] <evader> Burgundavia, I don't have blam installed- and don't know what it is. I installed beagle/mono using apt-get, my Sources list is identical to the one at www.ubuntyguide.org - in the 'adding extra repositries' section
[02:39] <evader> It's just standard - with the mirrormax backports repos.
[02:39] <Burgundavia> evader, that copy of beagle maybe crack and you probably have on old versin
[02:39] <ray_> what is beagle?
[02:39] <evader> I'll tell you the version
[02:39] <evader> ray_, it's a search tool
[02:39] <mikeworking> I am new. May I post my question here? It's regarding a laptop with no floppy or CDROM, but has net conn. and can boot from 64MB USB Memory Stick.
[02:40] <cafuego> beagly is like spotlight on amcosx, i think
[02:40] <ray_> evader, oh thanks
[02:40] <cafuego> well, maybe google desktop search
[02:40] <cafuego> not as advanced as spotlight
[02:40] <reka> mikeworking: ask away
[02:40] <Burgundavia> cafuego, nah, spotlight is a better analogy
[02:40] <ray_> what doyou guys use to play music?
[02:40] <evader> Burgundavia, beagle version: 0.0.11.1ubuntu1~5.04ubp1
[02:40] <cafuego> Burgundavia: spotlight plugs into the low-level though, does beagle do that too?
[02:41] <Burgundavia> cafuego, yep
[02:41] <evader> ray_, I used RythmBox, until I found it doesn't read ID3v2 tags.
[02:41] <reka> ray_: bmp
[02:41] <cafuego> ok then :-)
[02:41] <Burgundavia> evader, beagle does have some memory usage issues
[02:41] <bimberi> wazdmin: not sure what you mean.  The Sun Page load OK for me - http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
[02:41] <mikeworking> I want to install Ubuntu on the only laptop my boss would give me -- it has only a net conn. and 64MB usb mem stick. The hard drive has -- uck -- Win XP. I want to format the hard drive and replace it with Ubuntu.
[02:41] <ray_> reka, bmp?
[02:41] <evader> beep-media-player ray_
[02:41] <evader> it's a fork of xmms
[02:41] <evader> it's better :D
[02:41] <reka> ray_: beep-media-player, an xmms clone
[02:41] <bodly> mikeworking: that should be possible
[02:42] <ray_> reka, i use xmms why is bmp better?
[02:42] <evader> Burgundavia, so that version I told you - is current?
[02:42] <mikeworking> It's an IBM, so net boot might even be possible, bodly.
[02:42] <Burgundavia> evader, I don't trust backports
[02:42] <reka> evader: i don't really edit tags anyway, but does bpm read id3v2 tags?
[02:42] <reka> ray_: it's purdier. :)
[02:42] <evader> reka, bmp/xmss does
[02:42] <Burgundavia> evader, if you have mono backported also, which you must have, that is total crack
[02:42] <cafuego> Hmm, au.archive.ubuntu.com is doing poo.
[02:42] <reka> ray_: xmms' menus etc. are butt-ugly
[02:43] <ray_> reka, is that something you can apt?
[02:43] <reka> ray_: yes, it's in the repo
[02:43] <evader> Burgundavia, so what do I do? Do all the cvs stuff on the Ubuntuwiki page?
[02:43] <Burgundavia> evader, nope, wait until breezy
[02:43] <bodly> mikeworking: i'm not sure if there's a mini ubuntu installer, but you could install debian and use that to "upgrade" to ubuntu
[02:43] <ray_> reka, just bmp
[02:43] <evader> Burgundavia, :(
[02:43] <Burgundavia> evader, breezy is become more and more stable
[02:43] <Burgundavia> evader, mine eats ram due to a blam backend issue
[02:44] <bodly> mikeworking: last I checked, the debian net-install cd is 40 mb or so
[02:44] <reka> ray_: the package is beep-media-player
[02:44] <wazdmin> dude..fuck it
[02:44] <evader> mikeworking, get the debian-netinst ISO
[02:44] <wazdmin> i dont want to do all thatshit
[02:44] <ray_> reka, thanks alot man im gonna try it
[02:44] <bimberi> wazdmin: but think how much you'll learn
[02:45] <wazdmin> true
[02:45] <mikeworking> bodly: yikes. What if I create a mini USB linux, get some IP, format /dev/hda1, mount nfs to a remote Ubuntu CD, download bytes, then reboot and begin the install?
[02:45] <wazdmin> but that will take me like an hour just to do all that
[02:45] <bimberi> wazdmin: You'll be recompiling kernels next :)
[02:45] <wazdmin> i am going to end up doing it
[02:45] <dockane> when a file already exists, wget starts renaming like file.1 file.2 and so on .. is there a way to make wget keep the file extension .. so it would be file.1.ext and not file.ext.1 ?
[02:45] <wazdmin> i ahve too
[02:45] <bodly> mikeworking: that should work
[02:46] <mikeworking> bodly: I have Ubuntu CDROM 5.04 with me, so no need to download over my DSL connection.
[02:46] <netsniper> how do I stream a movie from a rar file to totem?
[02:46] <ray_> reka, any different skins/
[02:46] <netsniper> it is still downloading..
[02:46] <mikeworking> bodly: I also have several Linux and Win systems on a DHCP net here that can help me, each with CDROMs.
[02:47] <dockane> netsniper, imho that's not possible untill you got the whole file
[02:47] <netsniper> dockane, no, its definitely possible
[02:47] <dockane> netsniper, we are talking about rar files ?
[02:47] <netsniper> dockane, there is a way to "stream" the embedded file on the fly
[02:47] <netsniper> yes rar files
[02:47] <reka> ray_:  there's links here: http://beepmp.sourceforge.net/
[02:47] <bodly> mikeworking: I've never done it, but I know you can use pxe boot to install debian
[02:47] <reka> ray_: personllay, skinz.org is the best.
[02:48] <ray_> reka, thanks
[02:48] <mikeworking> bodly: I was thinking in the interest of time, plus the fact I don't have Debian on me and would have to download over DSL, that it might be better to come up with another solution.
[02:50] <Ethan> .swiftirc.net
[02:51] <bodly> mikeworking: take a look at this:  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-29358.html
[02:51] <dockane> netsniper, what makes you that sure that this could work ? how do recover the redundancy i.e., if the files got split ?
[02:52] <wazdmin> ya..i got to be doing something wrong
[02:52] <wazdmin> i shouldnt have this problem with apt -get
[02:53] <netsniper> dockane, it should continue streaming from next fiel -- if it is broken it will obviously skip during some intervals
[02:54] <Agiofws> could someone tell me the defautl root password for ubutu distro from the linux format dvd ?
[02:54] <wazdmin> jsut to make sure..i edit the source.list file then i run apt- get  update and everything should be workin fine?
[02:54] <cafuego> !root password
[02:54] <ubotu> Ubuntu has no root password. If sudo or gksu are asking for a password, they mean _your_ password.
[02:54] <reka> !root
[02:54] <ubotu> rumour has it, root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:54] <Agiofws> huh?
[02:54] <bimberi> wazdmin: apt-get update (no space)
[02:55] <Agiofws> gnome is aking for root password
[02:55] <Agiofws> what is it ?
[02:55] <phaedrus44> uh..ubuntu takes a long time to install on a 400mhz  64mb ram machine
[02:55] <reka> Agiofws: are you sure?  what does the message say exactly?
[02:55] <jp> phaedrus44 uff :$
[02:55] <cafuego> Agiofws: There isn't one.
[02:55] <Agiofws> when you boot to gnome
[02:55] <dockane> netsniper, i am really not an expert, but from point of view its hardly possible to get something like this working. do you have seen this get done  somewhere ?
[02:55] <cafuego> Agiofws: Are you trying to log in as root or something?
[02:55] <Agiofws> no
[02:55] <jp> phaedrus44 try debian :) or some old distro like redhat 8.1
[02:55] <jp> :)
[02:55] <Agiofws> when you are in gnome  as user
[02:55] <wazdmin> permsion denied
[02:56] <wazdmin> i need to be root correct
[02:56] <bimberi> wazdmin: Oh sorry - sudo apt-get update
[02:56] <Agiofws>  and try to do a proveleded task  gnome aks you for roots password
[02:56] <netsniper> dockane, there is a doc on how to stream a movie to mencoder for encoding
[02:56] <bimberi> wazdmin: then use your own password
[02:56] <netsniper> fomr  rar
[02:56] <remyforbes777>   how do you display a webpage using just a command line, is this possible
[02:56] <reka> Agiofws: no it doesn't.  read the message.
[02:56] <phaedrus44> ubuntu uses gnome right?
[02:56] <cafuego> Agiofws: No, it asks you for _your_ password.
[02:56] <chaps0063> I have a Fujitsu Lifebook T4010 series TabletPC, I cannot get the middle mouse buttons to work to scrooll up/down, has anyone experienced a similar issue?
[02:56] <netsniper> Encoding from a pipe: rar p test-SVCD.rar | mencoder -ovc divx4 -divx4opts ...
[02:56] <Agiofws>  and try to do a proveledged task  gnome aks you for roots password
[02:56] <AndyR> phaedrus44, yes
[02:57] <phaedrus44> cool..never used it
[02:57] <wazdmin> ok it worked no probel
[02:57] <phaedrus44> think it will run a little better with xfce?
[02:57] <reka> phaedrus44: yes.  running ubuntu is do-able on your system. but i'd get more ram and install a more lightweight wm.
[02:57] <wazdmin> now i should be able to download everything
[02:57] <Agiofws> cafuego,  so it doesnt have a root account ?
[02:57] <bodly> remyforbes777: use links
[02:57] <cafuego> Agiofws: It does, but it's not useable by users for security reasons.
[02:57] <reka> phaedrus44: yes.  xfce is a good choice.
[02:57] <mikeworking> bodly: Thanks for the article. The article got me thinking...Here's my response...
[02:57] <bimberi> wazdmin: now where are you at - installing java?
[02:57] <remyforbes777> bodly: links?
[02:57] <phaedrus44> can i keep the ram and just use fluxbox?
[02:57] <wazdmin> yep
[02:57] <wazdmin> i need to do that
[02:57] <phaedrus44> fluxbox a better choice than xfce?
[02:58] <dockane> netsniper, and this explicitly is offered for .rar files, which are incomplete ?
[02:58] <remyforbes777> bodly: never used that before how do you use it
[02:58] <bodly> remyforbes777: e.g. links http://www.ubuntu.com
[02:58] <Agiofws> cafuego,    WHAT about the su command
[02:58] <remyforbes777> ok
[02:58] <remyforbes777> thanks
[02:58] <Agiofws> abd i'm sure the message was for root
[02:58] <fundle> any idea why a fresh install of firefox wont surf to certain pages ?
[02:58] <bimberi> wazdmin: well just for fun try - sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[02:58] <AndyR> anyone else get very slow cd ripping using grip and juicer?
[02:58] <wazdmin> kk
[02:59] <Agiofws> i just don't understand this
[02:59] <Agiofws> there is no root user in ubuntu?
[02:59] <reka> AndyR: enabled DMA?
[02:59] <netsniper> dockane, it will be complete by the time it gets to the last rar
[02:59] <mikeworking> bodly: I can get Windows to connect to another system with CDROM. And then I could download the whole thing to the drive.
[02:59] <wazdmin> still couldnt find package
[02:59] <AndyR> im only getting like x0.4
[02:59] <fundle> even though i can ping them, and another box on the same network can browse them ?
[02:59] <mikeworking> Agiofws: sudo passwd root
[02:59] <wazdmin> im curious..does it work for everyone else
[03:00] <bimberi> wazdmin: it did but I think there has been a recent change to the repositories
[03:00] <wazdmin> ok
[03:00] <cafuego> Agiofws: No there isn't. it's not needed.
[03:00] <AndyR> reka, possibly not, do i use hdparm to enable it?
[03:00] <Agiofws> cafuego,  how can roo be not needed?
[03:00] <Agiofws> cafuego,  how can root be not needed?
[03:00] <wazdmin> and they just havent posted the change necessary problly
[03:00] <cafuego> Agiofws: Why would it be needed?
[03:00] <bodly> mikeworking: ah, ok.  then what?  boot off of the usb drive and mount the iso ?
[03:00] <Agiofws> what if you want to edit the grib file?
[03:00] <mikeworking> bodly: sounds like a plan, right?
[03:01] <fundle> I had a similar problem under FC3
[03:01] <Thorrn4> hello!! I was wondering, where can I find information about the new Ubuntu release - Breezy?
[03:01] <siorfin> sudo gedit grub file?
[03:01] <AndyR> Agiofws, because ubuntu uses sudo
[03:01] <reka> Andrew|iBook: correct.
[03:01] <bodly> mikeworking: yeah, should work
[03:01] <cafuego> Agiofws: A user can issue commands AS root via sudo. being logged in as root the whole time is just a security issue; people invariably type soemthing stupid and wreck their machines.
[03:01] <reka> AndyR: correct.
[03:01] <bimberi> wazdmin: possibly.  Give me a look at your sources.list file by posting it to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:01] <wazdmin> kk
[03:01] <mikeworking> bodly: in fact, I could boot from PCDOS on 64MB USB mem stick pretty easily, I bet.
[03:01] <Thorrn4> hello!! I was wondering, where can I find information about the new Ubuntu release - Breezy?
[03:01] <siorfin> im super happy with ubuntu, finally found a linux version i can use and dump winblows
[03:01] <bodly> mikeworking: yeah, should work.  :-)
[03:01] <mikeworking> bodly: Or would I need to boot from a USB linux and then run from there?
[03:02] <Agiofws> so the alias is sudo vi /grub/boot/menu.lst as example???
[03:02] <cafuego> Agiofws: indeed.
[03:02] <reka> Thorrn4: the official website maybe. :-P
[03:02] <brad> hoary works perfectly on my thinkpad t40p
[03:02] <Thorrn4> reka, I was looking for it....its not there
[03:02] <wazdmin> ok..is this suppose to be like this..i have two seprate files..sources.list. and sourcest.list_backup
[03:02] <mikeworking> brad: does yours have a CDROM and floppy? My new IBM Thinkpad didn't come with one.
[03:02] <wazdmin> one is updated
[03:02] <wazdmin> one is isnt
[03:02] <cafuego> Agiofws: Except you don't normally need to edit menu.lst either, becuase the kenrel packages add themselves.
[03:02] <siorfin> i actually use sudo pico imo, carry over from shell accounts
[03:03] <Agiofws> cafuego,   what if you go to init level 3???? and login as root?
[03:03] <lampshade> mikeworking:  Holy crap, a thinkpad without a cdrom?  Are you serious???
[03:03] <brad> my t40 came with the crappy 9.5mm dvd/cdrw
[03:03] <Agiofws> cafuego,  su command does not work?
[03:03] <cafuego> Agiofws: Going to init level 3 would still give you X.
[03:03] <bimberi> wazdmin: just the sources.list
[03:03] <wazdmin> ohh
[03:03] <mikeworking> lampshade: That's the only thing my boss would give me. I guess I have to get a USB CDR/DVDR.
[03:03] <wazdmin> durrhh
[03:03] <Agiofws> huh?
[03:03] <chrishartley> My laptop screen size is being incorreclty detected as limited to 800x600 (it is 1024x768 in windows) in the BIOS scan ATI runs when I start x. Any hints on how to over ride the incorrect video bios data and get the full 1024x768?
[03:03] <wazdmin> nooby mistyake number 1
[03:03] <cafuego> Agiofws: And no, 'su' asks for a root password, so you can't use it. 'sudo -s' works fine, though.
[03:03] <ttj> I'm having a bit of trouble installing ubuntu... The installer finds both my wireless adapter (built in) and my wired adapter, the problem being that the wireless adapter gets the name eth0. My wireless network is encrypted, and so after the installer reboots, it's unable to download any new packages since it doesn't get connected. How do I solve this?
[03:03] <siorfin> sudo init 3
[03:04] <lampshade> mikeworking:  Did it come with windows on it?  (I suppose they could have some special thing for loading on windows from not a cdrom or floppy...?)
[03:04] <fundle> with ubuntu whats the cleanest way to install new software apt-get ?
[03:04] <bodly> Agiofws: if not being root really bothers you, just type sudo passwd and change roots password
[03:04] <Agiofws> what if you kill kdm
[03:04] <wazdmin> so i need to delete my _backup and edit the right one
[03:04] <mikeworking> lampshade: Yeah, XP. Guess why I'm here today in this forum.
[03:04] <cafuego> Agiofws: Then you have a console, where you can log in as user. and then run 'sudo -s'
[03:04] <siorfin> sudo works at command line also
[03:04] <cafuego> Agiofws: Is the sudo concept *so* hard to understand?
[03:04] <bimberi> wazdmin: you can keep the _backup.  Thats OK.  But apt-get always uses sources.list
[03:04] <Agiofws> but wht is roots passwd?
[03:04] <cafuego> Agiofws: STOP IT!
[03:04] <cafuego> arrrgh
[03:04] <Agiofws> cafuego,  yes never heard of it
[03:05] <cafuego> Agiofws: Go read the wiki about rootsudo
[03:05] <cafuego> !root
[03:05] <ubotu> it has been said that root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:05] <Agiofws> hm..
[03:05] <cafuego> Agiofws: Go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo and read it.
[03:05] <chrishartley> agiofws root can't log in, but other users can do things as root by running sudo and typing in their own password
[03:06] <Agiofws> other users?
[03:06] <chrishartley> agiofws yep
[03:06] <reka> chrishartley: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:06] <cafuego> Only if you add them to the 'admin' group.
[03:06] <Agiofws> as?
[03:07] <Agiofws> what a  strage concept though
[03:07] <chrishartley> reka Yeah, this problem isn't covered in the howto, but the howto is very useful
[03:07] <cafuego> Agiofws: Like I said, go read the wiki.
[03:07] <Agiofws> i am
[03:07] <chrishartley> reka I need to actually override the probed settings because it gives the probed settings prescedent over anything I put in xorg.conf
[03:07] <bodly> mikeworking: i think that if you were to boot with freedos off your usb thingy, you should be able to get it to work as in that article
[03:08] <Agiofws> cafuego,  are you sure gnome wa asking me for users pasword?
[03:08] <cafuego> Agiofws: yes
[03:08] <reka> chrishartley: not sure i get what your problem is then.
[03:08] <Agiofws> i do not have the distro infront of me right now
[03:08] <Agiofws> oh ok
[03:09] <wazdmin> ya
[03:09] <wazdmin> iti edited it right the first time
[03:09] <pedingto> Which P2P client is reasonably decent?
[03:10] <chrishartley> reka The ATI server/driver/whatever probes my lcd screen when it starts up, gets the model number and (incorrect) max-size of 800x600 and then throws out everything in xorg.conf that conflicts with that (such as a modeline for 1024x768, because that is bigger than 800x600
[03:10] <wazdmin> bimberi: ok..now i need to download jave and install it
[03:10] <reka> chrishartley: it's most likely your monitor rates aren't correct.
[03:11] <wazdmin> that is going to be a bitch
[03:11] <bimberi> wazdmin: was there an issue with sources.list?
[03:11] <wazdmin> nope
[03:11] <jode> does anyone know a good encoder to change mp3's to ogg vorbis for ubuntu?
[03:11] <wazdmin> it was right the first time
[03:11] <bimberi> wazdmin: the one you've pasted looks fine
[03:11] <chrishartley> reka possible, finding laptop rates sucks though, I did finding something on the toshiba website that claims to be accurate
[03:12] <bimberi> jode: try audacity
[03:12] <urbanfox[Vandal] > does the Intel Pro Wireless 2200 (aka ipw2200) work with Ubuntu out of the box?
[03:12] <wazdmin> umm..can you try and see if u can install it
[03:12] <wazdmin> using apt-get
[03:12] <jode> Thanks !!!!
[03:12] <reka> chrishartley: try this:  sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange
[03:12] <wazdmin> u can just say No when it ask u if u r sure
[03:12] <AndyR> jode, im going to other way .ogg to mp3
[03:13] <Agiofws> what a strange concept just  confuses me more
[03:13] <bodly> urbanfox[Vandal] : it should.  my ipw2100 worked
[03:13] <bimberi> wazdmin: ok - i'll have to update my repos first - stand by
[03:13] <chrishartley> reka my panel doesn't probe like that, it returns nothing
[03:13] <wazdmin> kk
[03:13] <wazdmin> thanks
[03:14] <chrishartley> reka but that does say my video card does support up to 1280x1024 for the exteral vga
[03:14] <reka> chrishartley: ah.  well i'd try and use the sample rates used on the wiki.
[03:14] <reka> chrishartley: but do you know what res. your mointor can go up to?
[03:15] <chrishartley> reka I know windows works at 1024x768
[03:15] <reka> chrishartley: max?
[03:15] <chrishartley> reka that is as high as windows will go with it
[03:15] <reka> chrishartley: is this an old laptop?
[03:15] <chrishartley> reka I doubt it can go any higher on a 13" screen
[03:15] <urbanfox[Vandal] > bodly, ipw2100 is a different animal :p
[03:15] <chrishartley> reka yeah, satellite 1735 pII
[03:15] <Zotnix> UrbanFox: Got the link I sent, right?
[03:16] <chrishartley> reka is there somewhere I can paste you parts of my xorg.0.log?
[03:16] <reka> chrishartley: are there any warnings or errors?
[03:16] <Dr_Melectaus> Is there any sites where i can download new themes for ubuntu?
[03:16] <reka> chrishartley: posting your xorg.conf fle to a pastebin would be good too.
[03:16] <smack> Dr_Melectaus: art.gnome.org
[03:16] <chrishartley> reka yeah, where it probes as 800x600 and then discards all the default and given modes higher then that
[03:16] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks smack
[03:17] <Andrew|iBook> reka: what am i correct about
[03:17] <scott> Dr_Melectaus: gnome-look.org has tons
[03:17] <reka> chrishartley: discards?  i doubt it would delete it...
[03:17] <bodly> urbanfox[Vandal] : true, but drivers and firmware for both are available
[03:17] <chrishartley> reka it doesn't delete it, it ignores it
[03:17] <jakob_> moparfan90: it's me xiximkopp, my router reconnected...
[03:17] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks
[03:17] <reka> Andrew|iBook: yeah sorry, that was meant for AndyR.  lousy tab completion.
[03:18] <moparfan90> o
[03:18] <moparfan90> ok
[03:18] <reka> chrishartley: well having see this a *lot* of times, i'm 99% sure it's your monitor rates.
[03:18] <Andrew|iBook> reka: meh
[03:18] <Andrew|iBook> lol
[03:18] <reka> chrishartley: if you've put 1024 as an available res, that's the only thing left.
[03:19] <Andrew|iBook> how does this channel keep it self up with no ops
[03:19] <bimberi> wazdmin: ok "sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5" works for me after updating my repos
[03:19] <Andrew|iBook> i find it amazing there are no n00bs
[03:19] <moparfan90> ho cares
[03:19] <Andrew|iBook> there are n00bs all over irc
[03:19] <reka> Andrew|iBook: the ops are in the shadows. :)
[03:19] <Andrew|iBook> uh
[03:19] <reka> Andrew|iBook: we get noob spurts now and then.
[03:19] <chaps0063> how do I add the ability to stream mp3s?
[03:20] <wazdmin> lmao
[03:20] <wazdmin> i must be doing something wrong
[03:20] <wazdmin> umm....
[03:20] <wazdmin> i must be skipping a step
[03:20] <wazdmin> how i am doing that
[03:20] <wazdmin> i dont know
[03:20] <bimberi> wazdmin: ok I'm going to update my sources.list with yours and check that
[03:21] <reka> chaps0063: you mean "play" streamed mp3s?  what program?
[03:21] <wazdmin> kk
[03:22] <Dr_Melectaus> scott: do they have themes or just wallpapers?
[03:22] <chrishartley> reka ok, you are probably right, but check out my post on paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:22] <wazdmin> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[03:22] <wazdmin> i followed those exact steps
[03:22] <reka> chrishartley: full link please?  that's like giving me the google homepage. :)
[03:23] <Dr_Melectaus> does gnome-look.org have themes or just wallpapers
[03:23] <reka> Dr_Melectaus: both i'd assume
[03:23] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[03:23] <misfit_toy> Dr_Melectaus, both
[03:24] <misfit_toy> Dr_Melectaus, but art.gnome.org is better for themese
[03:24] <misfit_toy> themes even
[03:24] <bimberi> wazdmin: I've used yours from paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:24] <chrishartley> reka http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/315
[03:24] <remyforbes777> sorry i cant remember the name of the person who told me about links but thanks
[03:25] <wazdmin> meaning it works for you
[03:25] <wazdmin> so it should work for me as well
[03:25] <wazdmin> thats wird
[03:25] <Dr_Melectaus> misfit_toy:  art.gnome is down
[03:25] <bimberi> wazdmin: not yet - still updating my repos (modem link)
[03:25] <chrishartley> reka and my full xorg.conf is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/316
[03:25] <reka> chrishartley: can you post the xorg.conf file too please?
[03:25] <reka> ah
[03:26] <wazdmin> oic
[03:26] <Dr_Melectaus> what ling on gnome-look.org do i go to for themes
[03:27] <misfit_toy> Dr_Melectaus, it appears they are having database issues, they might be doing an upgrade.
[03:27] <Dr_Melectaus> misfit_toy: ok thanks
[03:27] <unome> gnome-look.org is up and running.
[03:28] <chrishartley> reka xorg.conf is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/316, full /var/log/Xorg.0.log is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/318
[03:28] <reka> chrishartley: hmm.  this is hard because [1]  you have a laptop [2]  a google on your panel model didn't return anything
[03:29] <reka> chrishartley: i'd try running the autodetect script again (described @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto)
[03:29] <reka> if you haven't yet
[03:29] <bimberi> wazdmin: this is going to take a while.  While we're waiting try running Synaptic (from System -> Administration)
[03:29] <wazdmin> k
[03:29] <reka> chrishartley: i'm certain it's the rates that are too low.  i just don't know what to put in there.
[03:29] <scott> Dr_Melectaus: there are a bunch of themes. you click on metacity or gtk 2.
[03:29] <misfit_toy> if anybody is having ndiswrapper problems, the new 1.2v is out and seems to fix a ton of issues, it definitely fixed my netgear WG511
[03:30] <siorfin> anyone know what stub.exe
[03:30] <pedingto> what is the problem with the resolution chrishartley?
[03:30] <siorfin> is
[03:30] <bimberi> wazdmin: Do a search for "sun"
[03:30] <wazdmin> k
[03:30] <cafuego> siorfin: Sounds like a worm/virus
[03:30] <reka> pedingto: he can't go higher than 800x600.
[03:31] <pedingto> I had a similar problem with my Dell, that was stuck at 640x480.
[03:31] <reka> pedingto: xorg.conf is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/316, full /var/log/Xorg.0.log is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/318
[03:31] <pedingto> Yeah I just read that.
[03:31] <wazdmin> nothin java based came up..i searched java..and then i have tons of options
[03:31] <pedingto> Doesn't he need to add in a modeline?
[03:31] <bimberi> wazdmin: see anything?
[03:31] <reka> pedingto: whereabouts?
[03:32] <chrishartley> pedingto My theory is that the lcd's bios is incorrectly reporting 800x600 and then every setting I do is ignored because it conflicts withat that 800x600 probe
[03:32] <pedingto> just below the VertRefresh
[03:32] <wazdmin> complete java sdk enviorment
[03:32] <pedingto> Well I fixed mine by manually entering the HorizSync and VertRefresh.
[03:32] <wazdmin> consisting of free java tols
[03:32] <pedingto> What manufacturer is the Dell?
[03:32] <pedingto> err laptop
[03:32] <chrishartley> pedingto I've put in a 1024 modeline and it is discarded just like the defaults
[03:32] <pedingto> Is it dell?
[03:32] <wazdmin> i see
[03:33] <chrishartley> pedingto toshiba satellite 1735
[03:33] <pedingto> Hrm.
[03:33] <wazdmin> java runtime enviorment with GCj
[03:33] <pedingto> odd indeed.
[03:33] <bimberi> wazdmin: I'm pretty sure azureus won't work with that - unfortunately
[03:33] <pedingto> Have you checked for a bios update from Toshiba?
[03:33] <chrishartley> pedingto I wouldn't think it could do 1024x768 if that isn't what windows does
[03:33] <chrishartley> pedingto there is one, that might help
[03:33] <pedingto> Well I had a similar problem Chris.
[03:33] <wazdmin> yep
[03:33] <wazdmin> considering its written in all java
[03:33] <pedingto> I applied a patch to my BIOS, but still had to manually enter the Horiz, Vert and modelines to the xorg.conf.
[03:34] <bimberi> wazdmin: do an update (via the update button) and try the "sun" search again
[03:34] <chrishartley> pedingto yeah, I've been able to fix this kind of thing on other computers by putting int he correct hori, vert, modelines but this is a tough bugger
[03:34] <wazdmin> Java Framework for MVC web applications
[03:34] <wazdmin> kk
[03:34] <reka> chrishartley: like i said, i'm almost certain it's that the monitor rates need to be changed.
[03:34] <chrishartley> reka well, I'll see if I can dig any up. The ones I have I got from an xf86config file on toshiba's website
[03:35] <wazdmin> there is no update button
[03:36] <pedingto> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/319 <-- that is my monitor section
[03:36] <pedingto> I'm running a dell inspiron 1100.
[03:36] <bimberi> wazdmin: "Reload" sorry
[03:36] <chrishartley> pedingto thanks
[03:36] <pedingto> Might help some :/
[03:36] <wazdmin> i get a few options..nothing with java though
[03:36] <pedingto> Mine was stuck at 640x absolutely tiny :)
[03:37] <reka> pedingto: did you generate this with something?
[03:37] <pedingto> Yes, but I'll be buggered if I can remember the command.
[03:37] <pedingto> Some chap from here, gave me the command to get the modeline.
[03:37] <bimberi> wazdmin: hmm.  My update still has a while to go - blasted modem
[03:38] <pedingto> The sync and refresh rates I got from googling for about 2 hours.
[03:38] <wazdmin> damn
[03:38] <pedingto> But the modeline was generated.
[03:38] <wazdmin> well all i can say is let me try ur update manager
[03:38] <tman> Hello everyone.  I have backports listed in my sources, yet I still show firefox version 1.0.2  Where's 1.0.4?
[03:38] <wazdmin> or source .list file
[03:38] <tman> yes.
[03:39] <chrishartley> restaring x, brb
[03:39] <darby> I have installed the ATI drivers for Ubuntu Hoary 5.04 and I have edited xorg.conf properly and I get an error when I try to access Screen Resolution: The X Server does not support XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available.
[03:40] <siorfin> ok anyone know how to add extra repositories to sources.list and give them a lower priority when there are two conflicting versions in ubuntu?
[03:40] <wazdmin> Java support for libglade gnome interface..is that what i need
[03:40] <darby> I have libxrandr2 installed
[03:40] <bimberi> wazdmin: I was thinking the same thing - I'll paste it.  Stand by.
[03:40] <siorfin> i saw somethig on forums awhile back on that but cant find it
[03:40] <wazdmin> k
[03:40] <tman> Where do I go to get Firefox 1.0.4?
[03:41] <wazdmin> pm me
[03:41] <wazdmin> that wya it dont flood the room
[03:41] <ray_> more people need to play cube!
[03:41] <pedingto> How did it go Chris?
[03:41] <tman> wazdmin:  was that pm message intended for me?
[03:42] <wazdmin> nope
[03:42] <chrishartley> pedingto still here in 800x600
[03:42] <pedingto> Darn.
[03:42] <chrishartley> pedingto looks like it ignored those settings too
[03:42] <pedingto> Hrm.
[03:42] <pedingto> Does it replace those settings?
[03:42] <chrishartley> I'm going to look into updating the bios and seeing if I can google anyone elses' rates
[03:42] <chrishartley> pedingto yeah, it defaults back to 800x600
[03:42] <pedingto> Thats odd mate.
[03:42] <pedingto> If you find out how to fix it let me know.
[03:43] <chrishartley> i'm going to solve this and I'll let you all know how it goes
[03:43] <pedingto> I'll google as well, see if I can find out the command I used to generate the modeline.
[03:43] <chrishartley> reka: if it does turn out to be the modeline i'll admit you were right :-)
[03:43] <chrishartley> reka or the horizontal/vertical
[03:43] <pedingto> I think its the modeline.
[03:43] <pedingto> Because that was the issue I had.
[03:43] <pedingto> lol
[03:44] <mikeworking> All, if you have PXE on your laptop and no CDROM or floppy, then try Ubuntu PXE Install from wiki.koeln.ccc.de...
[03:44] <bimberi> wazdmin: ok - pasted to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/320
[03:45] <mikeworking> http://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install
[03:45] <wazdmin> kk
[03:45] <wazdmin> im doin it right now
[03:45] <zoe1222> anybody here know much about ubuntu on PPC?
[03:45] <cafuego> zoe1222: yes
[03:45] <zoe1222> I'm trying to install onto an iMac,
[03:45] <zoe1222> the live cd works,
[03:45] <cafuego> Which iMac?
[03:45] <zoe1222> but the install doesn't,
[03:45] <zoe1222> a lime,
[03:45] <zoe1222> rev C maybe.
[03:45] <cafuego> How does the install fail?
[03:46] <zoe1222> The X windows system cannot start,
[03:46] <cafuego> Yeah, I have a grape here
[03:46] <cafuego> Can you log in on the console and check /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[03:46] <zoe1222> not at the moment,
[03:47] <zoe1222> but what should I look for there?
[03:47] <flodine> anyone running xcompmgr
[03:47] <flodine> help
[03:47] <cafuego> Well, when you can, do so and check the bottom of that file for the error that causes it to fail.
[03:47] <zoe1222> I see.
[03:47] <cafuego> zoe1222: it's normally something straightforward (like a wrong mouse device)
[03:47] <zoe1222> hmm,
[03:48] <cafuego> Which reminds me, I have an iMac to back up and wipe
[03:49] <flodine> help with xcompmgr
[03:49] <Dreco> Newbie question: I want to dump backup files from the windows network to a Ubuntu machine, where is the best place to keep that folder ?
[03:49] <flodine> anyone
[03:50] <chrishartley> great, now I need a floppy disk to for this bios update
[03:50] <chrishartley> who has floppy disks anymore?
[03:50] <pedingto> can't do it from a CD?
[03:50] <Dreco> lol poor you
[03:50] <pedingto> I'd be stuffed, as I don't have a floppy drive in this laptop lol
[03:50] <phaedrus44> haedrus
[03:50] <misfit_toy> pedingto, you don't have hotswappable cd and floppy?
[03:51] <chrishartley> damn, self extracting .exe too, i'm doubly screwed
[03:51] <Dreco> anyone help me with my question, I'm sure its an easy one
[03:51] <misfit_toy> chrishartley, use cabextract
[03:51] <pedingto> I have CD, just no floppy.
[03:51] <misfit_toy> chrishartley, gotta usb stick?
[03:52] <flugh> dreco: i'd keep it in my root-readable-only place
[03:53] <flugh> dreco: depending on your method for getting it to the ubuntu box though
[03:54] <Dreco> thanks flugh, that was my next question. I will have to push it from the windows machine to Ubuntu
[03:54] <flugh> Dreco, i'd probably make something in /home if it's a lot of stuff. mainly because i tend to make /home a seperate partition and it's easy to backup
[03:54] <Dreco> so it will have to be shared
[03:54] <digitalfox> Ubuntu has officially impressed me
[03:54] <digitalfox> everything on my laptop worked
[03:54] <digitalfox> without touching it
[03:55] <pedingto> Awesome, digitalfox. :)  I only had to make a minor change to the xorg.conf to fix a resolution issue.
[03:55] <flugh> dreco: easiest i'd think is run samba, make a share, limit valid users. unless you want to run scp/sftp (look into "putty" for windows, it's great tool, maybe command line solution)
[03:55] <digitalfox> I didn't even have to do that O.o it set the OSS ATI drivers and the proper native resolution for my LCD
[03:55] <pedingto> Nice one. :)
[03:56] <pedingto> My laptop is a bit odd, so I wasn't surprised.  Though I have more problems with windows the ubuntu on it.
[03:56] <fundle> hey...
[03:56] <Dreco> thanks flugh, will try the share first
[03:56] <chrishartley> digitalfox I'm very impressed with it so far, it detected my laptop audio and everything ont he first try, still working on the video resolution
[03:56] <fundle> on a brandn new install of ubuntu is there anything i need to tweak for apt-get to work ?
[03:56] <cubicool> Hello all; can anyone point me towards the path to getting WIN32 codecs working w/ Ubunut--particularly using GStreamer if possible so as to integate w/ Nautilus...
[03:57] <cyphase> hey everyone
[03:58] <moparfan90> 423 people. WOW!!!
[03:59] <Dreco> Q: does the login screen look different if I want to log into a windows domain ?
[04:00] <flodine> man someone help me with xcompmgr
[04:02] <Dreco> Busy finalising installation of Ubuntu on another workstation, I know when I reboot I am going to get just garbage on the screen... here goes
[04:02] <fundle> what would i type ot install Eterm ? apt-get install Eterm ?
[04:03] <tensor> hello, how do i enable screensavers when logged on as root? (disregarding security issues, that is)
[04:03] <Dreco> try it and see
[04:05] <Dreco> hey it worked ! now I know, dont reboot until I have upgraded to Hoary
[04:05] <freddy> whats the best/easier way in this distro to install the drivers? i mean..if i can get them from apt-get or something...or just as the other distros...downloading and changing the X config file?
[04:06] <nalioth> freddy: how many questions is that?
[04:06] <freddy> haha
[04:06] <freddy> :P
[04:06] <Dreco> *g*
[04:06] <tensor> eherm, how do i enable screensavers when logged on as root? (disregarding security issues, that is)
[04:06] <freddy> anyone could help me out with my sound too? :P
[04:07] <nalioth> freddy: have ya visted the wiki?
[04:07] <freddy> the who?
[04:08] <bodly> the wonderful wiki of oz
[04:08] <nalioth> freddy: point your browser to wiki.ubuntu.com
[04:08] <nalioth> freddy: there you'll find answers for all kinds of questions
[04:08] <reka> tensor: sys->prefs->screensaver doesn't work?
[04:09] <tensor> reka: as a default, screensavers are disabled for root
[04:09] <digitalfox> I think xscreensaver whines
[04:09] <pedingto> night folks.
[04:09] <digitalfox> as do 90% of applications
[04:09] <digitalfox> why are you logged in as root?
[04:10] <reka> tensor: ah.  dunno then
[04:10] <digitalfox> I hate to be the classic linux guy who goes "why are you doing it in the first place"
[04:10] <digitalfox> but...
[04:10] <tensor> digitalfox: need to install some services directly
[04:10] <digitalfox> why are you doing it in the first place?
[04:10] <toran> hey guys, I have Neverwinter Nights running on my ubuntu machine. The game runs fine for about 10 minutes, then it starts getting really choppy. I have an ATI radeon 9200 card. does anyone else have this problem?
[04:10] <digitalfox> tensor, then why do you need a screensaver?
[04:10] <digitalfox> toran, are you running the OSS ATI drivers?
[04:10] <digitalfox> or the official ones?
[04:10] <tensor> digitalfox: eye candy
[04:11] <digitalfox> tensor, while you're installing services? :P
[04:11] <toran> digitalfox: I think I'm running the ones from the ubuntu repo
[04:11] <toran> how can I check?
[04:11] <digitalfox> uh. dunno, honestly
[04:11] <tensor> digitalfox: yes
[04:12] <digitalfox> tensor, well, dunno what to say. you might want to execute screensaver as another user
[04:12] <toran> xorg-driver-fg 6.8.0-8.8.25-0 Video driver for ATI graphics accelerator
[04:12] <toran> I have that installed
[04:12] <tensor> digitalfox: :p
[04:12] <digitalfox> toran, okay... so that's the OSS one
[04:12] <digitalfox> hrm
[04:12] <digitalfox> odd
[04:12] <digitalfox> never had problems with the OSS one
[04:12] <toran> I may not be using it though
[04:12] <digitalfox> the official one leeeeaked though
[04:12] <toran> how do I see if my xorg.conf file is using it?
[04:12] <toran> yes, this is /definately/ a leak
[04:12] <digitalfox> grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:13] <toran> Driver          "fglrx"
[04:13] <digitalfox> that's the official one
[04:13] <digitalfox> there's your problem!
[04:13] <toran> i_i
[04:13] <scott> dvdrip still depends on a version of transcode that's not in hoary. any simple easy way to get it to work?
[04:13] <toran> how do I change to the oss?
[04:13] <digitalfox> toran, change the Driver entry to "ati"
[04:13] <digitalfox> I think that's about it
[04:14] <toran> digitalfox: way cool
[04:14] <toran> do I need to reboo?
[04:14] <toran> *reboot?
[04:14] <nalioth> toran, you only need to reboot when you upgrade the kernel
[04:14] <toran> ok, so just restarting X should do it?
[04:14] <digitalfox> yes
[04:14] <digitalfox> just restart X
[04:14] <digitalfox> was about to explain how for ya :p
[04:15] <toran> I know how ;-)
[04:15] <toran> ctrl+alt+bs
[04:15] <toran> or, /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[04:15] <toran> which method is more appropriate?
[04:15] <toran> I guess ctrl+alt+bs is more of a hard shutdown, but will the KDM method actually get it?'
[04:15] <nalioth> toran: either or
[04:15] <toran> ok
[04:15] <toran> brb, then
[04:15] <digitalfox> the kdm stop
[04:16] <digitalfox> is better
[04:16] <nalioth> toran: some folks love their terminal soooooo much, they want to do everything from it
[04:16] <toran> lol nalioth
[04:16] <toran> I like my terminal, but I only use it when i think it's faster than a GUI
[04:16] <digitalfox> terminal is nice in some cases :)
[04:16] <digitalfox> yeh
[04:16] <Zotnix> Digis: Actually in Ubuntu ctrl+alt+bs does pretty much the same thing as /etc/init.d/gdm/kdm restart :p
[04:16] <digitalfox> Zotnix, oh, really?
[04:16] <toran> oftentimes I can be /waaay/ more productive than with a GUI
[04:16] <wazdmin> hey guys,,i just ran ifconfig..is it normal to see a few errors in packets
[04:16] <`crimsun> wazdmin, sure
[04:16] <wazdmin> k
[04:16] <wazdmin> = )
[04:16] <digitalfox> I wouldn't call it normal, nor would I call it abnormal
[04:17] <wazdmin> i just see a few errors and dropped packets
[04:17] <digitalfox> wifi? or ethernet?
[04:17] <wazdmin> no biggy
[04:17] <wazdmin> ethernet
[04:17] <digitalfox> hrm
[04:17] <digitalfox> odd
[04:17] <digitalfox> but not a big deal
[04:17] <wazdmin> i am behind a router and have a old modem
[04:18] <freddy> now...is there any real problem if i dont see my nvidia card in cat /proc/pci ? or worst...if i dont EVEN have that pci directory?
[04:18] <wazdmin> that could be it..also my ether net cord isnt that sturdy on one end..has a broken clip
[04:18] <digitalfox> freddy, use lspci
[04:18] <Dreco> ok I have installed samba and shared the folder, now when connecting from a windows pc I get a prompt for username/password but its not accepting the user/pass of the ubuntu machine...?
[04:19] <digitalfox> wazdmin, the router probably has little to do with it
[04:19] <wazdmin> = )
[04:19] <wazdmin> i dont have a problem with that
[04:19] <digitalfox> I'd blame the modem, or maybe just a bad network cable?
[04:19] <digitalfox> Dreco, you need to set your user password
[04:19] <digitalfox> Dreco, with smbpasswd
[04:19] <digitalfox> on the Linux machine
[04:19] <Dreco> not the same password I type when I login ?
[04:20] <digitalfox> nope, it uses a different password database
[04:20] <digitalfox> which is silly, I agree
[04:20] <digitalfox> it should check against your login pass
[04:20] <digitalfox> you can use the same password if you'd like
[04:20] <digitalfox> I do
[04:20] <Dreco> vewy vewy silly
[04:20] <Dreco> lemme try
[04:21] <limer> what is the command to reconfigure X?
[04:21] <apokryphos> limer: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:21] <limer> ty apokryphos
[04:21] <limer> now if only screen would cooperate
[04:22] <tiglionabbit> screen the program?
[04:22] <Dreco> digitalfox, ok but when I use old and new as same password remains unchanged and it keeps prompting for new password ?
[04:22] <limer> tiglionabbit, yes
[04:22] <digitalfox> weird...
[04:22] <Dreco> but if it doesnt have an old passwd then what do i use for old passwd
[04:22] <tiglionabbit> what are you trying to do with it, limer?  (just curious)
[04:22] <digitalfox> Dreco, I don't know, honestly
[04:22] <digitalfox> never had it do that myself
[04:22] <limer> CTRL+A starts copy
[04:23] <Dreco> ooo k
[04:23] <limer> nevermind, I'm not doing it quickly enough
[04:23] <tiglionabbit> limer: you're using screen on an x-session?
[04:24] <limer> tiglionabbit: I don't have X since putting in the ati radeon
[04:24] <limer> using screen b/c it's a hell of a lot easier than multiple logins at diff. TTYs
[04:24] <limer> IMO, anyway
[04:25] <nalioth> limer: the VESA driver will get you a gui
[04:26] <limer> nalioth, thx.
[04:26] <tiglionabbit> limer: you know you can use control-Z, right?
[04:26] <six2one> has anyone gotten xp to install and boot with qemu 0.6.1?
[04:26] <tiglionabbit> or are you putting up multiple windows with it?  I really need to learn to do that
[04:26] <chad> ubuntu recently auto-updated my linux headers pkg.. and all the sudden my ipw2200 drivers aren't loading anymore.. i even tried rebuilding, but its not helping
[04:26] <limer> brb
[04:28] <Dreco> ok help, I have shared a folder on ubuntu and am trying to access it from a windows pc which then prompts me for a login but does not accept any of the ubuntu machines credentials
[04:29] <six2one> whats the windows os? xp?
[04:29] <Dreco> yes
[04:29] <six2one> workgroup or domain?
[04:29] <Dreco> domain
[04:29] <adwait_> hello ppl.....help me out here, trying to configure sendmail to use a different port but can't find sendmail.cf
[04:30] <six2one> is the ubuntu system in the domain?
[04:30] <six2one> just figured i should start with the basics
[04:30] <Dreco> i have installed samba in entered the domain name under networking, same ip range subnet etc
[04:31] <six2one> i had that problem and it was samba not sharing in the right domain
[04:31] <Dreco> I cant tell whether it actually logs onto the domain or not
[04:31] <six2one> what type of auth are u using?
[04:31] <levander> Anyway to figure out which temperature is for which sensor in the lm-sensors output?
[04:32] <Dreco> I dont think I know the answer to that question six2one
[04:32] <Dreco> what are my options ?
[04:35] <six2one> hey guys, i just installed ubuntu on a particular machine of mine (it ran fc3 fine, 4 also) and you know the drum roll at the login screen? well it wont stop that noise....ever....i stopped the sound server and removed the sound and everything and it still is going, so i reinstalled it and it still goes
[04:35] <six2one> any ideas?
[04:36] <Dr_Melectaus> im finding it really hard to find a good wallpaper :(
[04:36] <reka> six2one: you could disable sound events...but that doesn't really fix what's causing it
[04:36] <levander> six2one: I wonder if you stopped the correct sound server? Isn't there more than one that can run under Linux?
[04:37] <limer> clear
[04:38] <freddy> do you guys know of any posibility on adding shadows to the windows?
[04:38] <reka> six2one: keep it in the channel.  more people can help that way :)
[04:39] <freddy> kassetra, dont ignore me :(
[04:41] <wazdmin> heyn guys..sometimes i get broken sounds..from like apps like gaim..how can i fix that
[04:42] <wazdmin> and also.i somehow added a music folder i had to my system tab..how can i remove that
[04:44] <reka> wazdmin, six2one: worth a look: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26567
[04:45] <jp> Hi guys, I'm trying to burn an audio cd, I tried with gnomebaker and k3b, but they don't burn :( Tha hardware is ok (it burns on xp) some help? :)
[04:45] <reka> jp: more info needed...define "don't burn".
[04:46] <jp> reka yep I know well
[04:46] <reka> ?
[04:46] <jp> reka, gnome baker says that the cd blank is not mounted :) which isn't certain ) it's mount :)
[04:47] <jp> and k3b stops :)
[04:47] <crystal> nice
[04:47] <jp> reka what don't you understand?
[04:48] <jp> reka, I think is my hardware, I tried burning on fc3 and it's the same problem :/
[04:48] <reka> jp: no, i get it now.
[04:48] <jp> I think it's not fully supported :(
[04:49] <jp> on a cdrecord --scanbus  it gives me an error: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[04:50] <Dr_Melectaus> uhm, ive downloaded xmms, but how the heck to i install it
[04:50] <Dr_Melectaus> ive not installed an app before
[04:50] <arentie> hello...i'm looking for help installing my Wireless card, which is a WMP54G
[04:50] <ninwa> Dr_Melectaus, Use apt-get to install things, or synaptic.
[04:50] <ninwa> sudo apt-get install xmms
[04:50] <othernoob> Dr_Melectaus if it's a deb. dpkg -i filename.deb
[04:51] <Dr_Melectaus> its tar.gz
[04:51] <othernoob> then extract it, read the readme of it..
[04:51] <rezzcobain> Does anyone know of any good free Linux recording and mixing studios?
[04:51] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[04:52] <`crimsun> rezzcobain, ardour
[04:52] <othernoob> anyone know how i can make a screenshot of a movie? kaffeine crashes when i try to
[04:52] <wazdmin> also ...i accdiently added a music folder to my places tab..how can i delete that
[04:52] <liquidboy> does anyone know, in gnome, can you have tabs (like in beos) instead of having the bar all the way accross the top of the window?
[04:52] <arentie> when I type  $modeprobe ndiswrapper...I receive: "FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[04:52] <`crimsun> arentie, prepend sudo
[04:52] <gm78> liquidboy, can u show me a beos screenshot and point out what u mean?
[04:53] <soggysandwich> whats up guys/girls
[04:53] <thechitowncubs_> Hey yall
[04:53] <amywilson> hello
[04:53] <jp> http://www.msicomputer.com/product/optical/optical_detail.asp?model=DragonWriter_48x16x48_CD-RW  that's a fully non-supported drive on linux, cool ah? :)
[04:53] <thechitowncubs_> Anyone need any ubuntu help?
[04:53] <wazdmin> anyone know how to remove folders in ur places tab
[04:53] <liquidboy> http://pardus-larus.student.utwente.nl/images/screenshots/xfce4_Wasp_1024x768.jpg - not a beos screen, but a beos theme in xfce. that's what i mean
[04:53] <daffodil> hi everyone, i was wondering if anyone has tried installing the VNC server package on ubuntu
[04:53] <wazdmin> i got a non existant folder in there
[04:53] <gm78> liquidboy, if u mean a big box in the top right, yes, just right click on the panel, click properties, and everything u need should be in there
[04:53] <amywilson> I need help with trying to get java set up with firefox or the Kubuntu browser
[04:53] <soggysandwich> yeah i need some help getting my wireless setup
[04:54] <amywilson> or getting my mozilla
[04:54] <`crimsun> daffodil, ubuntu already includes vino, a vnc server
[04:54] <daffodil> `crimsun:  really?  so it can emulate to a windows machine?
[04:54] <soggysandwich> help me get my wireless setup
[04:54] <`crimsun> daffodil, you can access your ubuntu via vnc, yes
[04:54] <gm78> arentie, did u do sudo modprobe ndiswrapper?
[04:54] <soggysandwich> thechitwoncubs_: can u help with  my wireless
[04:54] <arentie> ok, so now I typed: "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:54] <arentie> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted"
[04:54] <`crimsun> ubuntu machine, rather
[04:55] <wazdmin> here is a little problem i have...i am on amd 64 ubuntu..is there any reason that it cant find and install java..has it not been ported to this version of ubuntu yet ?
[04:55] <nekohayo> do hoary users have all their "gnome keyboard shortcuts" working? for some reason, the only keys that work for me are <Mod4>m and r
[04:55] <freddy> do you guys know of any posibility on adding shadows to the windows?
[04:55] <`crimsun> arentie, did you ensure it isn't already inserted?
[04:55] <daffodil> `crimsun:  so i would still install the vnc viewer on the windows machine and run vino from the ubuntu machine?
[04:55] <nekohayo> freddy, that's coming sometime in the future
[04:55] <Cine> um... where is this about:config so I can get to the fire-fox addons page?
[04:55] <nekohayo> freddy, google "luminocity"
[04:55] <arentie> yes, the card is inserted
[04:55] <gm78> arentie, type lsmod | grep ndiswrapper
[04:55] <Dr_Melectaus> If i want to install something on ubuntu, does that mean i need to compile it?
[04:55] <`crimsun> daffodil, yep
[04:55] <nekohayo> it's very buggy though.
[04:55] <|QuaD-> do people here use jabber?
[04:55] <thechitowncubs_> I tried soggysandwich
[04:55] <arentie> maybe i don't understand what you're asking though
[04:55] <`crimsun> daffodil, Remote Desktop in your System>... menu
[04:55] <soggysandwich> oh yeah i remember thechitwonbus_
[04:56] <|QuaD-> anyone who uses jabber: would you reccomend gabber2, gaim, or gossip for JUST jabber
[04:56] <Dr_Melectaus> If i want to install something on ubuntu, does that mean i need to compile it?
[04:56] <daffodil> `crimsun:  i'll go check it out... thanks so much :)
[04:56] <soggysandwich> gaim
[04:56] <gm78> arentie, type the command i said, it will let u know if the kernel module is inserted or not
[04:56] <othernoob> Dr_Melectaus: if you downloaded the source, yes, if you downloaded a precompiled package, no
[04:56] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[04:56] <gm78> arentie, lsmod | grep ndis
[04:56] <wazdmin> i cant install java using sudo apt-get install j2re1.5
[04:56] <jasoncohen> Dr_Melectaus, no, what do you want to install?
[04:56] <goldfish> Dr_Melectaus: use synaptic to inistall stuff
[04:56] <gm78> jasoncohen, open a private chat with me, ill tell u how to set up java
[04:56] <jasoncohen> Dr_Melectaus, most packages can be installed via binary .deb packages through apt-get or synaptic
[04:56] <amywilson> neither can I wazdmin
[04:56] <arentie> gm78: I typed that, but nothing happened
[04:56] <wazdmin> ya
[04:57] <jasoncohen> gm78, i never asked. i have j2re already installed
[04:57] <thechitowncubs_> Hey maybe someone else can help, has anyone gotten WUSB54Gv4 working?? (when will linksys ever release drivers!!!) is it really that hard?
[04:57] <wazdmin> and i cant figure anything out
[04:57] <gm78> jasoncohen, sorry, typed in wrong name :p
[04:57] <freddy> nekohayo, woah looks awesome
[04:57] <wazdmin> like how to remove a Music folder in my places tab
[04:57] <amywilson> same here
[04:57] <nekohayo> ^_^
[04:57] <arentie> i guess, it's not inserted?
[04:57] <gm78> wazdmin, open a private chat with me, ill help u set it up
[04:57] <wazdmin> k
[04:57] <wazdmin> thanks
[04:57] <amywilson> I am brand new to linux so I have been at it all day just trying to get java up
[04:57] <gm78> wazdmin, no problem
[04:57] <nekohayo> freddy, that's the future of XOrg I believe.. I await the day it will be stable enough so I can use it.
[04:57] <soggysandwich> hey i was just wondering if any one had some external hard drives for sale
[04:57] <liquidboy> gm78, i mean the individual window bars. ie the yellow tab. is there any way to get that?
[04:58] <arentie> Hey, I got Java up today!
[04:58] <sarmiento> hi
[04:58] <jasoncohen> i want gnupg 1.4.1 and gaim-otr on hoary so i'm rebuilding from breezy source. any problem with that?
[04:58] <sarmiento> can i use modconf in hoary?
[04:58] <sarmiento> I can't find it
[04:58] <arentie> I'm a newbie too...<applause>
[04:58] <freddy> anyone have any chance of helping me with my sound? i get no sound at all...
[04:58] <freddy> nadda
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[04:58] <nekohayo> freddy, have you two sound cards?
[04:59] <gm78> liquidboy, sorry, i see what u mean now. go to gnome-look.org, they might have a theme that does that there, a beos theme or something
[04:59] <nekohayo> one integrated to the motherboard for example
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[04:59] <amywilson> I love it totally beyond windows
[04:59] <Cine> anyone tell me where the file is that I need to edit to get to the fire fox addons page?
[04:59] <freddy> no, i only have integrated sound nekohayo
[04:59] <amywilson> other than I am clueless
[04:59] <unreal> heh
[04:59] <crystal> amywilson, $$$ ?
[04:59] <arentie> Is anyone available to help me with ndiswrapper so that I may get my wireless WMP54G to work?
[04:59] <nekohayo> freddy, ok then that's not the problem... well maybe if you know the chipset for the sound you can look into ubuntuforums.org
[04:59] <unreal> for once I returned at a time when the channel isn't being attacked by kiddies :)
[05:00] <thechitowncubs_> Hey maybe someone else can help, has anyone gotten WUSB54Gv4 working?? (when will linksys ever release drivers!!!) is it really that hard?
[05:00] <amywilson> crystal ???
[05:00] <gm78> thechitowncubs_, is that a usb ethernet card?
[05:00] <thechitowncubs_> yes
[05:00] <crystal> amywilson, nerver mind
[05:00] <thechitowncubs_> USB Wifi card
[05:01] <nekohayo> arentie, where are you stuck?
[05:01] <Dr_Melectaus> xmms binary, how the hell do you install it?
[05:02] <Allawi> Hi Guys.
[05:02] <Dr_Melectaus> why cant nix just be a simple click n go process
[05:02] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, because it's nix.
[05:02] <Dr_Melectaus> :(
[05:02] <stm_designer> because then it would be too easy
[05:02] <adwait> can anybody help me change the sendmail port
[05:02] <soggysandwich> hey i was just wondering if any one had some external hard drives for sale
[05:02] <adwait> ?
[05:02] <nekohayo> you have to smell geek XD
[05:02] <liquidboy> there's no such thing as too easy P
[05:02] <Dr_Melectaus> well, it leaves people like me with bugger all option but to use windows
[05:02] <Allawi> You may think this question is stupid but Its not for me ... How do you pronounce Ubuntu ?? is it like u bon to ???
[05:03] <Cine> where do I find general.useragent.vendorSub for mozilla so I can change it and get to the mozilla addons page?
[05:03] <gm78> liquidboy, http://www.bebits.com/app/1569
[05:03] <nekohayo> Allawi, ooboontoo
[05:03] <nekohayo> it's written somewhere in the wiki in ubuntu.com I believe :)
[05:03] <Allawi> thnx nekohayo
[05:03] <stm_designer> yes it is
[05:03] <unreal> heh, I assumed it was oo-bunt-oo
[05:03] <crystal> wel,beg your pardon,what's windows?
[05:03] <Dr_Melectaus> So how do i install xmms (binary) ?
[05:03] <Dr_Melectaus> its a .rpm
[05:03] <nekohayo> what's the "binary" for?
[05:04] <Dr_Melectaus> its precompiled
[05:04] <nekohayo> oh
[05:04] <nekohayo> well why not use synaptic?
[05:04] <stm_designer> still totally lost on the java thing
[05:04] <nekohayo> the package manager
[05:04] <Dr_Melectaus> well what do i do with it
[05:04] <Dr_Melectaus> ive got it on my machine
[05:04] <nekohayo> you open it up, ctrl-F to search "xmms"
[05:04] <Dr_Melectaus> i just need to install it
[05:04] <gm78> liquidboy, whoops. i think that is a gnome 1.x theme, so it wont work
[05:04] <nekohayo> then you right-click what you want, "mark for installation", then use the apply button
[05:04] <stm_designer> no mozilla browser on here running kubuntu
[05:05] <Allawi> ubuntu is Debian based, right ??
[05:05] <tommy|> yes
[05:05] <nekohayo> you'll see synaptic is easier than anything in the windows world.
[05:05] <synd> Allawi: yes
[05:05] <Allawi> can i ask why ??
[05:05] <daffodil> `crimsun:  ok i checked the boxes so i can do the remote desktop thing.. it says the command to use is vncviewer localhost.localdomain:0, but it's not like i can put that in the vncviewer on my windows machine, so do i need to open up a certain port on my router to let it through if i just put in my ip address?
[05:05] <crystal> debain based + rh mode
[05:05] <nekohayo> don't know. to do the exact opposite of fedora I guess XD
[05:06] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, did you find ?
[05:06] <Dr_Melectaus> nope
[05:06] <`crimsun> daffodil, from your Windows machine, you'll use either the Ubuntu machine's hostname or its IP
[05:06] <liquidboy> gm78, taking a look, i'll have to get it from somewhere else
[05:06] <nekohayo> are you in synaptic?
[05:06] <crystal> all in rh's hands
[05:06] <liquidboy> gm78, ok
[05:06] <jasoncohen> heh, damn- backporting from breezy to hoary is easy with apt-get
[05:06] <Allawi> is Debian the most security distro of Linux ??
[05:06] <nekohayo> don't think so. there is no absolute security :)
[05:06] <crystal> no
[05:06] <jasoncohen> apt-get build-dep packge; apt-get source -b package ; dpkg -i package.deb
[05:07] <Dr_Melectaus> im sorry. But why do people say linux is better? when in fact its crapper than windows. At least with windows its easy, it doesnt take you days to get it on the net
[05:07] <Allawi> hmmm
[05:07] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, you're in synaptic or NOT
[05:07] <crystal> very dangerous distro
[05:07] <nekohayo> it IS easy when you WANT to discover.
[05:07] <Dr_Melectaus> im in synaptic
[05:07] <soggysandwich> man i wish i could be using ubuntu but i can get my wireless working
[05:07] <six2one> it doenst take any time at all
[05:07] <nekohayo> ok.
[05:07] <crystal> because men in it
[05:07] <Dr_Melectaus> no, i want to. But ive never found dows as frustrateing as this
[05:07] <daffodil> `crimsun:  my ubuntu machine is behind a router, so i use that ip address, but i'm not sure which port to open up and have it forward to that machine
[05:07] <jasoncohen> soggysandwich, what card?
[05:07] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, i'll fire it up to follow you around, just wait.
[05:07] <jasoncohen> Dr_Melectaus, what are you trying to do?
[05:08] <gm78> Dr_Melectaus, took me no time to get it on the net...using supported hardware helps a bit. try sticking a part for a chevy truck in your ford and see what happens
[05:08] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks nekohayo
[05:08] <soggysandwich> WUSB54Gv4
[05:08] <jasoncohen> Dr_Melectaus, check out http://ubuntuguide.org/
[05:08] <six2one> the only time i had trouble getting a linux box on the net was one without a nic or a modem..lol
[05:08] <crystal> soggysandwich, wireless AP?
[05:08] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, there's a search button right?
[05:08] <Dr_Melectaus> Well im 17, have no money, my mum pays for the ISP. I dont have a chouice
[05:08] <Dr_Melectaus> nekohayo: yes
[05:08] <soggysandwich> wireless USB card
[05:08] <Dr_Melectaus> choice**
[05:09] <nekohayo> type in xmms, then click search, then you have all the results within 10 seconds. There, just scroll a little bit (it's usually in alphabetical order) to find xmms (after the gxmms, and all that stuff)
[05:09] <crystal> soggysandwich, driver .... sigh
[05:09] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, tell me when you spotted xmms
[05:09] <soggysandwich> u kno what forget it im suspos to be getting wired in a few days so i dont really care
[05:10] <kwilcox> Has anyone had trouble with Ubuntu not being able to come back up when you close a laptop?  Searched for forums but have  not found anything???
[05:10] <thechitowncubs_> soggysandwich: supposed?
[05:10] <soggysandwich> yeah that the word, im not a very good speller
[05:10] <calc> kwilcox: many laptops suck, yea
[05:10] <crystal> soggysandwich, use $10 network adapter
[05:11] <calc> mine can't even sleep to begin with it dies going to sleep
[05:11] <kwilcox> calc:  mine was working for awhile when would start Gnome myself
[05:11] <six2one> i had a zv5000 and it only liked ubuntu
[05:11] <limer> guys, lost power.  what was the command to reconfig x.org?
[05:11] <thechitowncubs_> crystal: 10 dollar wireless nic, i don't think so
[05:11] <Dr_Melectaus> nekohayo: nothing is comeing up
[05:11] <nekohayo> ..... huuuh?
[05:11] <jiyuu0> Dr_Melectaus, have u edited the sources.list? http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:11] <calc> kwilcox: one of the ubuntu guys tries to fix acpi power management issues, you could try filing a bug about it
[05:11] <Dr_Melectaus> nekohayo: i tried searching the full name of it, and xmmx on its own
[05:12] <calc> kwilcox: but first make sure your laptop has the newest bios for it
[05:12] <nekohayo> XMMS, not XMMX
[05:12] <soggysandwich> crystal: im goin wireless in a few days i hpe so i dont really need wireless working
[05:12] <crystal> thechitowncubs_, wait and wait ....and find them in trashcan
[05:12] <soggysandwich> hope***
[05:12] <nekohayo> (and click the reload button too)
[05:12] <kwilcox> calc: figured it was a change i made somewhere.. where can i get Bios?
[05:12] <Dr_Melectaus> xmms-1.2.10.--1.i386.rpm
[05:12] <calc> kwilcox: from the company that made the laptop
[05:12] <crystal> thechitowncubs_, watch the garbage
[05:12] <thechitowncubs_> crystal: Wireless NIC
[05:12] <thechitowncubs_> ?
[05:13] <Dr_Melectaus> sorry that was a typo on this machine nekohayo
[05:13] <dyna> Hi, i was wondering if there is a messenger program that support custom emotions like msn messenger 7 does
[05:13] <Dr_Melectaus> nekohayo: it was deffo spelt correctly on the nix machine
[05:13] <crystal> thechitowncubs_, you can find a whole nootbook
[05:13] <pikito> amsn is a good msn clone
[05:13] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, see? the problem was standing between the keyboard and the chair :) now try installing xmms
[05:13] <Dr_Melectaus> should i try putting it in /home
[05:13] <limer> dyna: maybe gaim? (gaim.sf.net)
[05:13] <Dr_Melectaus> its on the desktop atm
[05:14] <Dr_Melectaus> but i had that prob yesterday trying to install gstramer
[05:14] <nekohayo> because it's gstreamer
[05:14] <nekohayo> you have to watch your spelling, or use only a part of the name
[05:15] <limer> is the command: dpkg -reconfigure ?
[05:15] <Dr_Melectaus> i spelt it propperly
[05:15] <dyna> limer, nah. that doesnt support them
[05:15] <nekohayo> well if I search "gstreamer" it works
[05:15] <daffodil> does the remote desktop only work within a LAN or can i access it from the internet as well?
[05:15] <nekohayo> I get 45 packages
[05:17] <Dr_Melectaus> i can search gstreamer
[05:17] <Dr_Melectaus> and packages come up
[05:17] <Dr_Melectaus> but i still cant play .mp3;s
[05:17] <Dr_Melectaus> mp3's
[05:17] <nekohayo> ah
[05:17] <nekohayo> that's gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:17] <Dr_Melectaus> yes
[05:17] <nekohayo> (from ubuntuguide.org)
[05:17] <Dr_Melectaus> thats the one
[05:17] <nekohayo> you had it installed?
[05:17] <stm_designer> ok needing some major help installing java for firefox can someone please please help me
[05:17] <Dr_Melectaus> no
[05:18] <Dr_Melectaus> it had errors whilst i was trying
[05:18] <Dr_Melectaus> hold on ill try again and tell you what the error msg is
[05:19] <GrammatonCleric> stm_designer: have you looked at http://ubuntuguide.org/
[05:19] <Dr_Melectaus> says it depends on libc6 blah blah, dependency problems, leaving unconfigured
[05:19] <nekohayo> stm_designer, sorry but I have NEVER been able to setup java for meine fox :)
[05:20] <stm_designer> I have a way up in front of me to do it but I need to know how to add new repositories to the sympantic editor
[05:20] <stm_designer> I accidently reformated my computer today instead of just installing kde didn't know any better and lost what java I had
[05:20] <macintoshr> i think you will be happy to know that i printed out 128 "designed for ubuntu" stickers ala designed for Windows XP, and i have 5 friends and I sticking them around on all the school computers over the windows logos... :D
[05:20] <GrammatonCleric> stm_designer: http://ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[05:20] <Dreco> How can I see how much space is available on my hard drive ?
[05:20] <macintoshr> hows that?
[05:20] <nekohayo> stm_designer, in settings, repositories, and you might have to go into the advanced settings to "show disabled reposirtories" (go find the logic in that)
[05:21] <kwilcox> sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla return that it isn't a known package... did the name change?
[05:21] <othernoob> macintoshr sneaky :D
[05:21] <nalioth> Dreco: nifty li'l program called xdiskusage
[05:21] <nalioth> Dreco: you can apt-get it
[05:21] <Dr_Melectaus> says it depends on libc6 blah blah, dependency problems, leaving unconfigured nekohayo
[05:22] <Dreco> thanks nalioth_zZzZzZz
[05:22] <Dreco> gee wizz I am copying to this pc from the network and it is killing it dead
[05:23] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, you're in ubuntu hoary ?
[05:23] <Dr_Melectaus> yes
[05:23] <Dr_Melectaus> just got the cd yesterday
[05:24] <siorfin> i hope this version of wine works i added sourceforge sources to sources list
[05:24] <macintoshr> and we have stuck the "Designed for Windows XP" stickers on all the bins
[05:24] <othernoob> macintoshr: won't you get problems?
[05:24] <GrammatonCleric> backported eh?
[05:24] <othernoob> even though it's worth it..
[05:24] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, hmm I don't really remembre what to do in this case with libc6, did you try searching and installing libc6 (or upgrading it) ? Did you reload (using the reload button) your package lists?
[05:25] <siorfin> fyi whoever said stub.exe sounds like a worm i think it is a winetools program since it is mentioning stub in the commandline for wt2
[05:25] <macintoshr> ummm not if they dont know it's me
[05:25] <macintoshr> :D
[05:25] <macintoshr> and they would have to care
[05:25] <nekohayo> XDDDD
[05:25] <macintoshr> which they might not
[05:25] <nekohayo> photos!
[05:25] <macintoshr> as much as the windows zealots would
[05:25] <othernoob> well..it's school property...
[05:26] <Dr_Melectaus> Listen nekohayo, i feel this is going to be more trouble than its worth. it will take forever so ill be kind and let you help people with more important problems. cheers anyway
[05:26] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, yeah, well don't give up anyways.
[05:26] <Dr_Melectaus> well.. i won
[05:26] <Dr_Melectaus> wont**
[05:26] <Dr_Melectaus> But it utterly pisses me off why people dont make nix user freindly
[05:27] <Dr_Melectaus> they make it hard then say "if you want to use it youll learn"
[05:27] <Dr_Melectaus> leaving people like me with little option but retuning to windows
[05:27] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, unix has its bugs and flaws, and sometimes, things break and then get fixed.
[05:27] <nekohayo> but you're reasoning in absolute right now.
[05:27] <othernoob> Dr_Melectaus: you could also use Zeta, instead of linux/windows ;)
[05:28] <nekohayo> take a look at all the work being done between two ubuntu versions
[05:28] <Dr_Melectaus> Then people that use nix say more people should nix
[05:28] <nekohayo> and you'll see
[05:28] <Dr_Melectaus> whats zeta othernoob
[05:28] <sproingie> "only the sith deal in absolutes"
[05:28] <chad> Dr_Melectaus: whether you should use *nix depends totally on who you are and what you need to use a computer for.
[05:28] <othernoob> BeOS Zeta Dr_Melectaus. quite a userfriendly OS
[05:28] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, try installing red hat 5.0, and compare that gnome with our current gnome.
[05:29] <nekohayo> sproingie, exactly :)
[05:29] <liquidboy> hmm, beos = the r0x0r
[05:29] <sproingie> i never found beos all that "user friendly"
[05:29] <Dr_Melectaus> is it a large distro?
[05:29] <nalioth_zZzZzZz> Dr_Melectaus: yellowtab
[05:29] <sproingie> fast yes, friendly not really
[05:29] <nekohayo> It's over, Anakin! This high ledge gives a +5 to my agility!
[05:29] <nalioth_zZzZzZz> Dr_Melectaus: the reborn "beOS"
[05:30] <liquidboy> beos = the most intuitive thing i've used
[05:30] <sproingie> Like i've always told you: if you turn to the dark side of the force and get both your legs chopped off and set on fire, don't come running to me.
[05:30] <nekohayo> As far as I am not mistaken, Mac OS X is unix-based. So it is user friendly.
[05:30] <othernoob> nekohayo, yes it is
[05:30] <GrammatonCleric> sproingi: isn't that kinda hard without leggs?
[05:30] <othernoob> but honestly, every new OS is difficult..
[05:31] <GrammatonCleric> =)
[05:31] <othernoob> even Windows was the first time you sat in front of it..
[05:31] <nekohayo> Dr_Melectaus, put your grandma in front of gnome. If she hadn't ever touched windows, it wouldn't be more difficult for her I am certain.
[05:32] <digitalfox> it would be less, since it incurs less of the maintenence crap that goes along with windows
[05:32] <digitalfox> and grandma doesn't do much
[05:32] <nekohayo> that's it :)
[05:32] <digitalfox> intermediate Windows users have the hardest time with Linux
[05:32] <Dr_Melectaus> i took to windows like a fly to shit. But i discoverd that norton antivirus/firewall was trying to submit a list of email addresses
[05:32] <Burgundavia> my brother (a windows power user) has recently successful switched
[05:32] <Dr_Melectaus> so i decided fuck it. too sketchy
[05:32] <digitalfox> Burgundavia, congrats
[05:32] <Burgundavia> he likes how easy it is to rip cds and install things
[05:33] <nekohayo> hey guys I wrote some script to allow to "get a gnome ubuntu working" (with mad, and everything), think that might be a good idea?
[05:33] <Dreco> how does one run xdiskusage ?
[05:33] <othernoob> Burgundavia: what's difficult about that in windows?
[05:33] <nekohayo> that ways we can just give it to newbs, and they run it. Or it makes OEM easier.
[05:33] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, there are lots of such "scripts". I wouldn't trust them
[05:33] <digitalfox> Dreco, xdiskusage <dir>
[05:33] <Burgundavia> othernoob, not installed by default?
[05:33] <nekohayo> well mine is just doing sudo apt-get install LOTSOFPACKAGES apt-get remove afewpackages
[05:33] <nekohayo> XD
[05:34] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, that sort of thing is quite dangerous
[05:34] <sproingie> there's was great quote on imbd from the movie, one i don't quite remember hearing: Senator Organa: "Where's Anakin?"  Obi Wan: "I chopped both his legs off and set him on fire.  Sorry."
[05:34] <nekohayo> why?
[05:34] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, what you think should be removed, another person might disagree with
[05:34] <othernoob> Burgundavia: sure, but that doesn't mean it's more difficult? besides that "not installed by default" cant be an answer to why it's difficult to install things ;)
[05:34] <Dr_Melectaus> well nn. im off to bed now
[05:34] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks for the help anyway
[05:34] <Dr_Melectaus> :)
[05:34] <Burgundavia> othernoob, if an app is packaged, it is far easier to install it on Ubuntu than on windows
[05:35] <digitalfox> Windows has no packaging system to speak of
[05:35] <solomonhk> lol
[05:35] <nekohayo> yeah but my choice is oriented to hm.. let's say, what I've seen "working better", what I would recommend to my friends (for instance, gthumb instead of eyeofgnome, which for some odd reason doesn't remember its window size anyways)
[05:35] <digitalfox> moreover, I can update not just my OS, but all my applications in one fell swoop
[05:35] <Dreco> thanks digitalfox
[05:35] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, that sort of stuff is better sorted out with gnome
[05:35] <nekohayo> yeah I know
[05:35] <othernoob> neither does a LFS, if you dont include one..
[05:36] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, would you install mplayer or xine or other media apps?
[05:36] <nekohayo> totem-xine instead of totem (because gstreamer is not good enough FOR NOW)
[05:36] <Burgundavia> yes, unfortunately
[05:36] <nekohayo> of course this script is to become useless with time
[05:36] <Burgundavia> gstreamer is much better technical platform
[05:36] <nekohayo> and to be updated at each major release
[05:36] <Burgundavia> but the plugins are not there yet
[05:36] <nekohayo> I know, I'm giving a hand to pitivi, which is based on gstreamer :P
[05:37] <Burgundavia> gstreamer and audio is fine
[05:37] <nekohayo> seems a lot of performance issues were improved in 0.9
[05:37] <adwait> can someody help me out with this.....i installed linux at a friends pc, but the problem is that grub comes up while booting, it directly boots to win xp. is there anyway to load grub on a bootable CD?
[05:37] <Burgundavia> adwait, so grub already comes up?
[05:37] <adwait> gstreamer audio is definitely good.........i use it
[05:37] <Burgundavia> adwait, hit etc to enter to the grub menu
[05:37] <adwait> burgundavia: no.grub doesn't come up at all
[05:38] <nekohayo> adwait, how different is it?
[05:38] <nekohayo> (gstreamer audio)
[05:38] <Burgundavia> adwait, there is a wiki page for that
[05:38] <Burgundavia> adwait, just a sec
[05:38] <nekohayo> for me, right now audio is audio (since I believe audacity is far from being usable by me :P)
[05:38] <adwait> nekohayo: different from wht? i have always used gstreamer with rhuthmbox on linux
[05:38] <EnsignRedshirt> Hello, world.
[05:38] <nekohayo> oh I wonder if my rhythmbox still uses gstreamer.. probably.
[05:39] <Burgundavia> gah
[05:39] <Burgundavia> he left
[05:39] <EnsignRedshirt> What would I need to install to get the videos here to work: http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/french/talk/greetings/
[05:39] <Burgundavia> EnsignRedshirt, flah
[05:39] <Burgundavia> adwait, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[05:40] <Burgundavia> EnsignRedshirt, make that flash
[05:40] <lifeless> Burgundavia: hi
[05:40] <lifeless> Burgundavia: how did you go with baz ?
[05:40] <Burgundavia> lifeless, haven't played with it recently
[05:40] <Burgundavia> EnsignRedshirt, on second thought, hmm..
[05:40] <EnsignRedshirt> Burgundavia: I have flash installed.  But when I click on one of the videos, I get the "puzzle piece".
[05:40] <lifeless> Burgundavia: k
[05:40] <Burgundavia> the totem plugin in breezy doesn't work either
[05:40] <Burgundavia> EnsignRedshirt, I would email the bbc and ask
[05:41] <Burgundavia> EnsignRedshirt, they are pretty open source friendly
[05:41] <nekohayo> totem plugin? you mean a firefox-embedded totem?
[05:41] <lifeless> Burgundavia: I'd like to have everything in place for you guys by the time breezy ships, so that the new cycle can move to baz
[05:41] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, yes
[05:41] <lifeless> Burgundavia: smoothly;0
[05:41] <nekohayo> cool. I await that.
[05:41] <EnsignRedshirt> I need something that can handle type "application/x-pn-readmedia"
[05:41] <Burgundavia> lifeless, that would be nice
[05:41] <sproingie> EnsignRedshirt: you mean realmedia perhaps?
[05:41] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, works about 75% of the time
[05:41] <crystal> real
[05:41] <adwait> burgandavia: this is for rescuing windows.......wht my case is tht windows is working fine, just that while booting there isnt an option to boot into linux, so linux is installed but useles because i cant boot to it....the system directly boots to windows
[05:41] <nekohayo> anyone using gnome keyboard shortcuts?
[05:42] <crystal> no
[05:42] <lifeless> Burgundavia: so please give me feedback and questions ;).
[05:42] <kakalto> anyone here tried playing battlefield 1942 on dx9wine?
[05:42] <lifeless> I gotta go now though.
[05:42] <lifeless> later all
[05:42] <Burgundavia> adwait, that is for restoring grub to the mbr
[05:42] <EnsignRedshirt> sproingie: Oops, yes, that should have been application/x-pn-realmedia
[05:42] <crystal> so?
[05:42] <IceDC571> hmm.. how do i set my system to probe for new hardware?
[05:42] <adwait> grub is already installed to the mbr burgandavia
[05:42] <sproingie> EnsignRedshirt: you could always install realplayer.  or win32codecs if you prefer more "gray market" solutions
[05:42] <nekohayo> kakalto, it is supported by cedega I believe.
[05:42] <EnsignRedshirt> sproingie: I heave realplayer installed.
[05:43] <Burgundavia> sproingie, w32codecs and the totem thing doesn't work
[05:43] <nekohayo> kk|et,  it is supported by cedega I believe.
[05:43] <EnsignRedshirt> Oh man.  s/heave/have/
[05:43] <sproingie> EnsignRedshirt: then you should just need to associate that type with realplayer
[05:43] <kakalto> nekohayo, but not free cedega
[05:43] <kakalto> cvscedega has directx 6, apparently
[05:43] <nekohayo> hmm it's free from CVS
[05:44] <kakalto> not directx 8.1
[05:44] <kakalto> nekohayo, I tried it, it came up with a message saying "you need to update directx"
[05:44] <kakalto> "your current directx is v. 6. 8.1 required
[05:44] <kakalto> "
[05:45] <nekohayo> huh? but http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=2857 o_o weird.. maybe the cvs directx version is different
[05:45] <EnsignRedshirt> sproingie: I can't see the actual file that it is trying to load.  How do I make the association?
[05:45] <kakalto> I think it is
[05:45] <IceDC571> so no one knows how to probe for new hardware?
[05:45] <nekohayo> sudo modprobe?
[05:45] <IceDC571> thank you!
[05:45] <nekohayo> I "think"
[05:46] <kakalto> so I tried dx9wine, but it just quits out
[05:46] <kakalto> doesn't show anything
[05:46] <sproingie> EnsignRedshirt: mime type editor or something ... i'm really not sure how to do it in gnome
[05:46] <nekohayo> don't really know, kakalto
[05:46] <kakalto> thanks anyway
[05:46] <IceDC571> no actually thats for probing kernel modules
[05:46] <IceDC571> i know redhat uses kudzu.. but i dont know what debian uses to detect new hardware
[05:46] <nekohayo> hmm I wonder how
[05:47] <nekohayo> oh, HAL ?
[05:47] <nekohayo> (hardware abstraction layer)
[05:47] <nekohayo> I'd like to know how to probe hardware, too
[05:47] <IceDC571> haha good, i'm not alone
[05:47] <Burgundavia> IceDC571, what piece of hardware?
[05:47] <IceDC571> Burgundavia: just a monitor
[05:48] <Burgundavia> IceDC571, should just work
[05:48] <Burgundavia> IceDC571, update your xorg.conf
[05:48] <IceDC571> Burgundavia: so having default monitor instead of my model number wont make a difference?
[05:48] <nekohayo> yeah, a monitor is not really picky.
[05:48] <nekohayo> just take a look at windows, with its "generic plug and play monitor" XD
[05:49] <IceDC571> good, i'll just update the refresh rates
[05:49] <Burgundavia> IceDC571, no
[05:50] <TokenBad> if you want to look through files fast for a string inside the file...whats the command?
[05:50] <Cthulhu> grep ?
[05:50] <nekohayo> holy COW! I just realized at last (after 5 years of people telling me refresh rates DO make a difference) that it was true XD went from 60 to 75hz, and since then, I don't see the refreshing when I'm looking at 45degrees
[05:51] <p0m> Would someone be able to tell me which version of GCC Ubuntu 5.04 uses?
[05:51] <TokenBad> Cthulhu, but what would the command be
[05:51] <p0m> IE Hybrid3.3/3.4 etc.
[05:51] <TokenBad> find what?
[05:51] <Cthulhu> p0m, 3.3.5
[05:52] <p0m> With Pthreads enabled?
[05:52] <IceDC571> nekohayo: try using the same refresh rate tips on LCDs.. it wont make a difference
[05:52] <tomchuk> p0m: yes
[05:52] <nekohayo> yeah I know that.. on lcds lower is better
[05:52] <p0m> Ahh, good.
[05:52] <p0m> I was having issues compiling nwwine.
[05:52] <nekohayo> I love LCDs.
[05:52] <p0m> Or really, wine in general.
[05:52] <IceDC571> nekohayo: no.. higher is still better, its just not as bad
[05:52] <p0m> It was compiling, and causing general exceptions all over the place.
[05:53] <Luke> is the ubuntu repository available online?
[05:53] <nekohayo> well higher needs more processing power doesn't it?
[05:53] <nekohayo> and extra strain.
[05:53] <stm_designer> ok still cannot get java running
[05:53] <nekohayo> stm_designer, you're not alone. It's been seven months now that I didn't get to use a java applet. XD
[05:53] <IceDC571> nekohayo: ohhh you mean the ms refresh rate, right :)
[05:53] <nekohayo> IceDC571, ?
[05:54] <nekohayo> so what difference does it make on LCDs to have higher refresh rates? but from a logical standpoint, if I have to display more ips, then the video card suffers more. I'm wrong?
[05:54] <Cthulhu> TokenBad, i don't quite get it - you want to search for an exact phrase in all files in a directory, right?
[05:55] <TokenBad> well the guy is wanting to find the right httpd.conf file for system...and to do that he needs to search for a line inside the files
[05:55] <tomchuk> TokenBad: grep "line" *
[05:55] <Cthulhu> than grep "string" *
[05:55] <tomchuk> great minds
[05:56] <han_> lolx
[05:56] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, LCD's are much much nicer to look at for long periods of time
[05:56] <IceDC571> when people shop for LCDs.. the ms rate is the most important, the refresh rate almost doesnt matter because no one notices it
[05:56] <TokenBad> so he wants to basicly search the entire system for httpd.conf files with the line in it
[05:56] <IceDC571> the higher the ms, the more shadowing occurs
[05:56] <Burgundavia> actually, LCDs have lower refresh rates than CRTS
[05:56] <wizo> yupz true that
[05:56] <Cthulhu> TokenBad, cd / && sudo grep -R string *
[05:57] <wizo> thats y LCD screens are nto that good for gaming coz of the lower refresh rate
[05:57] <tomchuk> TokenBad: you'll have to use grep -R (recurse) - which is really slow, use a construct of find and grep...
[05:57] <mikeb_> should $KERNELPATH be set to /usr/src/kernel-source-VERSION  or  /usr/src/kernel-headers-VERSION  ?
[05:57] <Burgundavia> wizo, they used to be, not much anymore
[05:57] <wizo> really?
[05:57] <IceDC571> yeah
[05:57] <wizo> im outdated already
[05:57] <IceDC571> the newer LCDs are nice
[05:57] <TokenBad> find . -exec grep "www.athabasca" '{}' \; -print
[05:57] <IceDC571> they came down to like 8ms delay
[05:57] <tomchuk> TokenBad: find / -iname httpd.conf -exec grep '{}' \;
[05:57] <TokenBad> like that?
[05:58] <IceDC571> i was shocked
[05:58] <wizo> lol
[05:58] <nekohayo> yeah.
[05:58] <tomchuk> TokenBad: yeah, you might just want to use the -l option with grep to print the file name
[05:58] <wizo> aww man
[05:58] <nekohayo> doesn't really matter anymore
[05:58] <tomchuk> or, yeah, -print with find
[05:59] <wizo> before i reinstalled ubuntu, my xmms was workign sweet as a nut
[05:59] <nekohayo> now it's a pricing question :) I want to find a 17inch lcd below 300 CAN$
[05:59] <wizo> now it cant do anything
[05:59] <IceDC571> nekohayo: i love canada
[05:59] <Cthulhu> anything? it isn't starting or what?
[05:59] <tomchuk> TokenBad: athabasca university?
[05:59] <wizo> it hangs
[05:59] <nekohayo> :) me too XD
[05:59] <IceDC571> i wish i lived there...
[05:59] <TokenBad> no that was example I found online
[05:59] <nekohayo> then come on!
[05:59] <dbernar1> wizo: change output plugin to esd
[05:59] <wizo> hmm ok
[05:59] <tomchuk> TokenBad: haha, I took a couple online courses there a while back
[06:00] <wizo> if i can do it without it hanging
[06:00] <nekohayo> by the way IceDC571 you seem to know a bit about LCDs, what if I go from a CRT to LCD someday, will ubuntu be gentle with it? Can I just plug and play?
[06:00] <dbernar1> wizo, open from menu, not from file
[06:00] <wizo> sSound Output Plugin?
[06:01] <dbernar1> ya
[06:01] <wizo> eSound Output Plugin?*
[06:01] <IceDC571> nekohayo: pretty much, it depends, you might want to make sure your xorg matches the new specs of your LCD.. 60hz is good for a refresh rate
[06:01] <wizo> ok, i even installed mkmod already
[06:01] <wizo> mikmod*
[06:02] <mikeb_> will things break if i set $KERNELPATH to /usr/src/kernel-headers-VERSION  ?
[06:02] <IceDC571> nekohayo: also the vertical and horizontal rates are important to write down.. once you have all that information, the image will fit the LCD perfectly with no need for adjusting
[06:02] <wizo> heh, dbernar1 yur awesome
[06:02] <nekohayo> woah.
[06:02] <dbernar1> not really, common issue.
[06:02] <wizo> but i didnt remember changing it before i reinstalled ubuntu
[06:02] <TokenBad> I was just trying to help a friend with his question
[06:02] <nekohayo> oh, something that was scaring me lately: interpolation.
[06:02] <dbernar1> but thanks
[06:02] <TokenBad> I will prob need that info too at some point though
[06:02] <wizo> thx a lot dbernar1
[06:02] <TokenBad> heheh
[06:02] <dbernar1> welcome
[06:03] <nekohayo> LCDs have only one optimal resolution? >___< I don't want 1280, that's too high for nothing
[06:03] <wizo> interpolation? issint that extending a graph?
[06:03] <nekohayo> I believe if you don't use the native resolution of an LCD, you get smoothed out images (because it's stretched)
[06:03] <IceDC571> nekohayo: yeah, thats the only downside
[06:03] <nekohayo> you don't get a cristal clear image.
[06:03] <dbernar1> nekohayo: what I did, was...I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and I selected to allow other resolutions.
[06:04] <IceDC571> nekohayo: thats why gaming sucks when you use a lower resolution on LCD
[06:04] <dbernar1> as sudo
[06:04] <IceDC571> you see all blurs
[06:04] <nekohayo> well I'm no gamer (except once in a while for enemy territory :)
[06:04] <dbernar1> nekohayo: the thing is, dont screw up stuff in that reconfigure.
[06:04] <nekohayo> uh?
[06:04] <Juhaz> it blurs a bit but it's not all that bad, if "you see all blurs" that's probably more from the slowness than non-native resolution
[06:04] <Juhaz> and too ... high? ugh, and here I've been banging my head to wall and hoping someone would finally make 1600x1200 desktop lcd's
[06:05] <IceDC571> Juhaz: yeah, you're right
[06:05] <nekohayo> Juhaz, well I noticed I was always getting leaned forward to read, not a good thing.
[06:05] <IceDC571> trust me, once you get used to "high" resolutions you wont go back
[06:05] <dbernar1> cause you wont see anything then. I am personally also usually for a lower resolution, its all bigger, thats good sometimes.
[06:05] <IceDC571> nekohayo: use a higher dpi for your fonts
[06:05] <IceDC571> nekohayo: prob solved!
[06:05] <nekohayo> I used to use 1600x1200 :)
[06:06] <dbernar1> unless you need a lot of things on your screen, or a wide area for programming, and indentation, I almost always go for a lower res.
[06:06] <IceDC571> once you get the cleartype working for linux.. its like heaven
[06:06] <IceDC571> seriously, if your eyes hurt.. try tweaking the fonts
[06:06] <nekohayo> .........DANG XD
[06:07] <nekohayo> hm is it me or I don't see any difference whether subpixel smoothing is on/off?
[06:07] <dbernar1> I think Im gonna install java finally now. I also think I am gonna use the debian method with java-package.
[06:07] <wizo> heh
[06:07] <wizo> i wanna install java
[06:07] <dbernar1> I may as well learn that.
[06:07] <IceDC571> nekohayo: you shouldn't see a difference without further tweaking
[06:07] <dbernar1> wizo, well, tag along:)
[06:07] <smack> subpixel smoothing is for LCDs. You got one?
[06:07] <wizo> but my housemate is a dota freak
[06:07] <Cthulhu> dbernar1, but there is java in hoary-extra or hoary-backports afair
[06:08] <wizo> and hes hogging the bandwidth and he will chuck a sad at me for downloading and making him lag =.=
[06:08] <dbernar1> afaik?
[06:08] <IceDC571> i'll be back
[06:08] <dbernar1> cthulhu = cthulhfuego or smthng similar?
[06:08] <nekohayo> I'm on a laptop right now. :P
[06:09] <nekohayo> is there a wiki page about those "further tweaks" ?
[06:09] <Cthulhu> dbernar1, no.. :>
[06:09] <wizo> same here im on a laptop
[06:09] <Juhaz> uh, cthulhu is lovecraftian evil god/world destroying monster
[06:09] <Juhaz> you uncivilized barbarian!
[06:09] <wizo> tweaks? someone said tweaks?
[06:09] <Cthulhu> :D
[06:09] <nekohayo> no, we meant twixx(TM) :P
[06:09] <dbernar1> Did you guys notice they changed the wiki page?
[06:10] <nekohayo> they changed the whole layout
[06:10] <EnsignRedshirt> What would be the simplest way to get an updated firefox for warty?
[06:10] <nekohayo> well at least ubuntu love is still there
[06:10] <wizo> lolx ubuntu love
[06:10] <Burgundavia> dbernar1, nekohayo they changed the entire wiki engine, from zwiki to moinmoin
[06:10] <nekohayo> oh
[06:10] <dbernar1> ah, well, it looks diff.
[06:10] <wizo> oh man, yesterday my whole laptop juz turned off for no apparent reason
[06:10] <nekohayo> wizo,  SAME HERE!
[06:10] <wizo> anyone experienced such stuff?
[06:10] <nekohayo> it's scaring the hell of me
[06:11] <wizo> hmm
[06:11] <dbernar1> Cthulhu: thanks for the java tip, I think I am gonna try the java-package way this time, just to learn that, I think its more proper.
[06:11] <nekohayo> I'll see if it does the same today after ~8hours uptime
[06:11] <wizo> mine was
[06:11] <nekohayo> it's not heat related I believe
[06:11] <wizo> almsot reachign 2 days uptime
[06:11] <wizo> T.T
[06:11] <dbernar1> is that a badger smiley?
[06:11] <Cthulhu> dbernar1, what can be more proper than installing a package? :> but it may be more interesting :>
[06:11] <nekohayo> .....er?
[06:11] <wizo> badger smiley?
[06:11] <nekohayo> wha, badgerbadgerbadger.com style?
[06:12] <dbernar1> Cthulhu: this is really in a sense installing a package(installing a package from backports is not my fav thing to do:)
[06:12] <dbernar1> reminds me of a badger T.T
[06:12] <wizo> lolx nah
[06:12] <caonex> My computer keeps logging me out of gnome and many times it restarts by itself, any ideas on solving this?
[06:12] <wizo> thats a cryign fave
[06:12] <Cthulhu> yeah - i don't quite like it too - i only installed java and mono 1.1.x like this..
[06:12] <wizo> face*
[06:12] <dbernar1> well, I have white letters on a black bg.
[06:12] <wizo> same here
[06:13] <dbernar1> console?
[06:13] <wizo> tears streamign down from the eyes lolx
[06:13] <wizo> xchat
[06:13] <dbernar1> :P
[06:13] <garnertr> woooow; evening...
[06:13] <dbernar1> hi
[06:13] <nekohayo> we could use this too _
[06:13] <nekohayo> I think it's more realistic XD
[06:14] <wizo> O.o
[06:14] <wizo> wads that
[06:14] <nekohayo> so, wizo, any clue what might be that "sudden-death" ?
[06:14] <wizo> no idea
[06:14] <wizo> and i was kinda angry
[06:15] <nekohayo> I just hope it does not become more frequent
[06:15] <wizo> coz i was bruteforcing hashes for a database
[06:15] <wizo> and poof!!
[06:15] <nekohayo> :)
[06:15] <wizo> there goes a few hours of work
[06:15] <nekohayo> I'm a ctrl-S freak so usually I don't loose anything
[06:15] <nekohayo> but my 4359 firefox tabs
[06:15] <wizo> unfortunately the program doesnt save
[06:15] <nekohayo> x_x
[06:16] <nekohayo> did you set keyboard hotkeys with the WIN key?
[06:16] <nekohayo> there's something weird I don't quite get
[06:16] <wizo> nope
[06:16] <dbernar1> epiphany can recover closed tabs.
[06:17] <nekohayo> but epiphany doesn't have adblock >_<
[06:17] <dbernar1> pop up blockers?
[06:17] <dbernar1> it does.
[06:17] <nekohayo> nay, adblock
[06:17] <dbernar1> + what sites do you go to??
[06:17] <nekohayo> my must-have extension
[06:17] <wizo> lolx
[06:17] <wizo> ;)
[06:17] <dbernar1> Ohh, the different thing.
[06:17] <tomchuk> nekohayo: you can get all the functionality of adblock with custom css
[06:17] <wizo> sites with pop ups
[06:17] <nekohayo> *cough* OSS sites
[06:17] <Cthulhu> it does but it isn't compiled by default
[06:17] <dbernar1> where it blocks ad pictures>?
[06:18] <dbernar1> or a pop up blocker?
[06:18] <dbernar1> cause it does have a pop up blocker
[06:18] <nekohayo> no, it blocks ANYTHING you want.
[06:18] <nekohayo> pictures, java, flash
[06:18] <TokenBad> using the find command is there a way to search in only set kinds of files for a string
[06:18] <Cthulhu> nekohayo, you can recompile epiphany-extension by yourself and enable adblock.. but it is still not as good as FF adblock..
[06:18] <nekohayo> with wildcards
[06:18] <TokenBad> like all conf files for example?
[06:18] <dbernar1> oh, ok, cool. well, it dont have that, but it reloads your tabs;)
[06:18] <nekohayo> Cthulhu, besides I don't fashion compiling so much
[06:18] <nekohayo> hehee
[06:19] <dbernar1> lemme see if that java installed.
[06:19] <tomchuk> TokenBad: find / -iname '*.conf" -exec grep -l "string" '{}' \;
[06:19] <wizo> brb
[06:21] <Cthulhu> nekohayo, neither do I since i use ubuntu.. but i was curious how epiphany's adblock works.. and it still needs some work..
[06:21] <nekohayo> is there some kind of website keeping track of major project release dates? I'd like to know, for instance, when OOo2.0 final is to be released, when iFolder will work P2P, etc
[06:21] <wizo> bak
[06:22] <nekohayo> ...ala, derka derka!
[06:22] <wizo> i got gentoo on my comp waiting to be burnt
[06:22] <wizo> heh
[06:23] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, OO.o2 final is when it is done
[06:23] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, specific distros can be tracked at distro watch
[06:23] <nekohayo> yeah I know they already delayed and all..
[06:24] <nekohayo> but iFolder for instance has been keeping me going to their website everyday since 5 months+ to check for updates @_@
[06:24] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, don't I wish
[06:24] <wizo> nekohayo, wads yur uptime stats
[06:24] <wizo> 14:24:04 up 14:59,  7 users,  load average: 6.81, 6.50, 6.53
[06:24] <nekohayo> uh?
[06:24] <wizo> my comp seems to be really struggling
[06:25] <wizo> =(
[06:25] <nekohayo>  12:24:39 up 19:22,  3 users,  load average: 0.27, 0.23, 0.30
[06:25] <nekohayo> .......three users? WTF?
[06:25] <nekohayo> oh got two terminals open.. right
[06:26] <wizo> heh
[06:26] <nekohayo> why are there three load average numbers?
[06:26] <wizo> yeh
[06:26] <wizo> oh
[06:26] <wizo> coz
[06:26] <wizo> last 1 minute last 5 minute last 15 minute
[06:26] <wizo> or smth like that
[06:26] <nekohayo> oooh
[06:26] <Cthulhu> nekohayo, the system load averages for the past 1, 5, and 15 minutes. (fro man uptime ;>)
[06:27] <nekohayo> thanks
[06:27] <wizo> yay i got it rite
[06:28] <nekohayo> oh right am I the only one experiencing heavy lag from non-word-wrapped texts with syntax highlighting?
[06:29] <wizo> ??
[06:30] <yahalom> GDM no longer remembers the default session. I always have to choose it from the menu. Any ideas? I haven't been able to find help.
[06:30] <nekohayo> for example, if I have a big chunk of text in one line. And add a few words at the beginning of that line. It will be dog slow. (either in gedit, bluefish, or drpython, but NOT in leafpad)
[06:30] <wizo> no idea
[06:32] <dbernar1> yahalom, what does it log into? Just out of curiosity...
[06:32] <yahalom> dbernar1, xfce
[06:32] <quidam> Hello Everybody
[06:32] <dbernar1> thanks
[06:32] <yahalom> dbernar1, my default is xfce my wife's is gnome. it never remembers gnome.
[06:33] <quidam> alguien que hable espaol????
[06:33] <dbernar1> !es
[06:33] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[06:33] <quidam> gracias
[06:33] <dbernar1> de nada
[06:34] <dbernar1> youd expect more from Gdm...
[06:37] <wizo> god damn it
[06:37] <wizo> i wanna download
[06:38] <wizo> i hate this place where i live with dota freaks
[06:38] <dbernar1> whats dota?
[06:38] <wizo> defence of the ancients
[06:39] <dbernar1> oh, some game, hey?
[06:39] <Doomgaze> warcraft 3 mod
[06:39] <wizo> yeh
[06:39] <wizo> war craft
[06:39] <Doomgaze> btw, pugna rules
[06:39] <wizo> no idea wad that is
[06:40] <Doomgaze> tell it to the freaks
[06:40] <dbernar1> hehe
[06:40] <dbernar1> hes gonna get beaten up, or smthng.
[06:40] <dbernar1> pugna!? PUGNA?! ARRGH...
[06:40] <Moe_> hey
[06:40] <dbernar1> hey.
[06:40] <Moe_> whats a good php editor for ubuntu
[06:41] <Cthulhu> vim ;>
[06:41] <Moe_> thnx
[06:42] <Cthulhu> no, i was just kidding.. w8.. stop him ;>
[06:42] <Moe_> hey ubuntu is great.... my first week, and im loving it hardcore, and its because my wireless usb adapter works GREAT on it
[06:42] <wizo> damn, 897Mhz 128mb ram 16meg nvidia geforce 2 Go
[06:42] <Doomgaze> Moe_, http://bluefish.openoffice.nl
[06:42] <Doomgaze> is also good
[06:42] <Cthulhu> Moe_, there is Quanta for KDE and Bluefish for Gnome..
[06:42] <wizo> siiigh~ anyone wants to donate money to ``buy wizo a new computer fund?``
[06:43] <fivel256> quanta is the shnizzle
[06:43] <dbernar1> yeah...
[06:43] <Doomgaze> wizo, you live in the USA?
[06:43] <wizo> nope
[06:43] <fivel256> anyone have dep. issues with gtkwifi?
[06:43] <wizo> will it make a difference if i did Doomgaze ?
[06:43] <siorfin> grr does anyone know how to turn off the freaking debugging for wine?
[06:44] <fivel256> gnome2.applet
[06:44] <siorfin> im sick of it debugging i dont give a crap about the debug messages
[06:44] <Doomgaze> yeah.. CompUSA is selling a great system for $200 on Friday
[06:44] <fivel256> dont use wine ;-)
[06:44] <wizo> =s
[06:44] <wizo> T.T
[06:44] <siorfin> and what would you suggest using if not wine?
[06:44] <siorfin> i need osmething
[06:44] <Cthulhu> Doomgaze,  how great? AMD64 X2 etc. ? ;>
[06:44] <mikeb> i just compiled and installed madwifi, but `/sbin/modprobe wlan` says "FATAL: Module wlan not found". /etc/init.d/wlan doesn't exist either. what should i do?
[06:44] <fivel256> no using M$ at all
[06:45] <Doomgaze> heh.. sempron 3100+ 754
[06:45] <Doomgaze> 512 mb ram, 160 gb hd, dvd burner
[06:45] <Cthulhu> damn.. for 200$ o.O
[06:45] <Doomgaze> yep
[06:45] <wizo> wah
[06:45] <Doomgaze> i will be picking one or two up for myself
[06:45] <wizo> omg
[06:45] <jbroome> upgrade path might be limitied since amd is moveing to 939 pin cpus
[06:46] <Cthulhu> Doomgaze, and gfx ?
[06:46] <Doomgaze> Cthulhu, onboard.. but there is a free agp8x slot
[06:46] <bigfoot1> Synaptic says there is a broken file/package on my system. How do i locate it?
[06:46] <Doomgaze> jbroome, upgrading would be impossible
[06:46] <stm_designer> how would one make a symbolic link in the plug in folder for mozilla to the java directory
[06:46] <`crimsun> nothing is impossible with tuxcake!
[06:46] <Cthulhu> damn.. 200$ - i'll pay 200$ for my gfx card & 512ram :/
[06:46] <Doomgaze> jbroome, but i almost never upgrade systems anymore.. its gotten cheap enough where I just buy a new system
[06:47] <wizo> lol
[06:47] <bigfoot1> `crimsun, what's tuxcake?
[06:47] <wizo> cake made from the penguin logo?
[06:47] <stm_designer> I know ln -s actual-item-being-worked-on current but which is which
[06:47] <jbroome> my groomscake for my wedding was tux
[06:47] <jbroome> he was bad-ass and tasty
[06:47] <wizo> O.O really
[06:47] <wizo> do u have a pic?
[06:47] <jbroome> please hold: :)
[06:48] <tigliona1bit> stm_designer: the first parameter is the file you want to link to, and the second is the name of the link file you're creating
[06:48] <bigfoot1> I'm a newbie. does anyone know how to find broken files/packages in synaptic?
[06:48] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: does it have a section on the side for that?
[06:48] <stm_designer> ok so linking java to mozilla plug in folder first name would be the java file and the second would be the plug in folder
[06:48] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: under Status
[06:48] <jbroome> wizo: http://tinyurl.com/cjwxl
[06:48] <Go0ro0> hi all
[06:48] <Go0ro0> Heh
[06:49] <fivel256> bigfool1 when you try to install it should complain and tell you whats broken
[06:49] <wizo> oo ok
[06:49] <Go0ro0> Linux (Ubuntu) newbie here
[06:49] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, not in status.
[06:49] <tomchuk> stm_designer: ln -s /path/to/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[06:49] <BadTrash> your cake rocks jbroome :D
[06:49] <Go0ro0> I'm an advanced user of Windows, but giving Ubuntu another go
[06:49] <Go0ro0> :)
[06:49] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: listen to fivel256 then, he's right
[06:49] <wizo> omg
[06:49] <bigfoot1> fivel256, when i opened synaptic, that's when i got the complaint. I wasn't installing anything at thet time
[06:49] <jbroome> BadTrash: thanks
[06:49] <tigliona1bit> lol, Advanced User of Windows.  Like that means something
[06:49] <wizo> jbroome, thats so cute!!!!
[06:49] <jbroome> that's like validictorian of summer school
[06:49] <fivel256> just go through the motions
[06:49] <Go0ro0> tigliona1bit, get off your high horse :p
[06:50] <jbroome> wizo: thanks.  He was quite tasty
[06:50] <tigliona1bit> I saw a job offering in the papers for a "Microsoft Word Expert".  If that wasn't for an office several miles away, I would have taken it
[06:50] <Go0ro0> MCSE, A+ certification means something
[06:50] <wizo> lolx
[06:50] <tigliona1bit> Go0ro0: It's not a horse, I'm just telling you it's not a lot to know how to use windows.  Everyone does
[06:50] <wizo> damn
[06:50] <wizo> i sure would get one of those for myself for my bdae cake
[06:50] <tigliona1bit> Go0ro0: o really?  Say, can you tell me how I can get one?
[06:50] <Go0ro0> tigliona1bit, sure, basic usage that's true
[06:50] <Go0ro0> tigliona1bit, but troubleshooting systems is another thing
[06:51] <Go0ro0> tigliona1bit, any random boob off the street can't do it
[06:51] <Go0ro0> .
[06:51] <tigliona1bit> Go0ro0: you just hack and slash with wizards
[06:51] <Go0ro0> tigliona1bit, wizards? bleh
[06:51] <Go0ro0> Wizards are lame :)
[06:51] <tigliona1bit> yep
[06:51] <jbroome> wizo: i don't think my baker ships to .au. :)
[06:51] <Go0ro0> tigliona1bit, anyways, no point arguing that
[06:51] <tigliona1bit> but it's the windows way
[06:51] <tigliona1bit> either that or you hex edit it
[06:51] <Go0ro0> I try to do things manually in Windows.
[06:51] <wizo> =(
[06:51] <bigfoot1> fivel256, i got the complaint when i opened synaptic. IT recommended that i use the "broken" filter to find the broken package, but i don't know how to use the filters.
[06:51] <Go0ro0> Yep
[06:51] <Go0ro0> I still remember the macintosh days
[06:51] <wizo> how did u know i was from .au
[06:51] <Go0ro0> Editing programs in Apple Resedit 2.1.3
[06:51] <tigliona1bit> macintosh days?  Macs still exist, you know
[06:51] <Go0ro0> mmm.. resedit.
[06:51] <Go0ro0> tigliona1bit, well, my macintosh days ;)
[06:52] <Go0ro0> I started on my aunt's Mac Classic @ 4
[06:52] <jbroome> wizo: /whois wizo in my irc client then host 203.122.113.90
[06:52] <rymdapan> waz there a big update just now?, or did al my 26 uppdates just come when i added the backport thing?
[06:52] <Go0ro0> anywaysn enough of my bickering
[06:52] <Go0ro0> hehe
[06:52] <Burgundavia> bigfoot1, you need to create the broken filter
[06:52] <wizo> oh whois
[06:52] <Burgundavia> bigfoot1, go to settings---> filters
[06:52] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: oh, it's under Custom, look
[06:52] <bigfoot1> Burgundavia, do i have to? I see a Broken filter already.
[06:52] <Burgundavia> bigfoot1, that is new
[06:52] <Go0ro0> Which do you guys prefer
[06:52] <Go0ro0> Gnome or KNE
[06:52] <Go0ro0> er KDE
[06:53] <fivel256> Fluxbox
[06:53] <tigliona1bit> Gnome works better, KDE is prettier
[06:53] <Go0ro0> (or X-windows, if anyone uses that)
[06:53] <dbernar1> this is #ubuntu, there is a #kubuntu
[06:53] <tomchuk> KDE works better and is prettier ;)
[06:53] <dbernar1> Go0ro0: I dont use xwindows, just gnome;)
[06:53] <Go0ro0> ah k
[06:53] <ratl3> hey, i use X windows!
[06:53] <tigliona1bit> tomchuk: that's a matter of opinion
[06:53] <fivel256> every one uses x-windows its the back end
[06:53] <Go0ro0> I'm trying to get the basics down in linux
[06:53] <ratl3> haha
[06:53] <dbernar1> hehe.
[06:53] <Go0ro0> but I'm still a while away
[06:53] <bigfoot1> Burgundavia, i don't know how to get the broken file to show up, because i don't know how to select this filter.
[06:53] <tigliona1bit> Go0ro0: know how to use Unix?
[06:53] <Go0ro0> Nope
[06:54] <Go0ro0> Not one bit
[06:54] <fivel256> buy a book
[06:54] <Go0ro0> :(
[06:54] <Go0ro0> I was thinking about that.
[06:54] <ratl3> x windows is just as good as bash!
[06:54] <tigliona1bit> Go0ro0: you might want to start.  Here, read the rute book-- it's available off apt
[06:54] <dbernar1> Go0ro0: xwindow system, then on top of that there is a desktop environment such as gnome.
[06:54] <Go0ro0> ah k
[06:54] <fivel256> damn straight ratl3
[06:54] <Burgundavia> bigfoot1, just click on it
[06:54] <Go0ro0> this may sound pathetic but I'm still trying to figure out the whole system
[06:54] <ratl3> fivel256: heh, yeah
[06:54] <tigliona1bit> Go0ro0: nick-zap.home.comcast.net/stuff/unix.pdf  <-- here's a unix book I found helpful
[06:54] <Go0ro0> I've used Mandrake, Redhat, SLackware (ugh!), etc..
[06:55] <tigliona1bit> Go0ro0: you'll like debs.  They are nice
[06:55] <Go0ro0> Does it teach the absolute basics?
[06:55] <tigliona1bit> Go0ro0: used apt a bit yet?
[06:55] <fivel256> OPENBSD if you like to type
[06:55] <dj-pynguin> hey guys, quick question, i have a mac mini, just booted with the Ubuntu LiveCD for PPC, but i am having trouble getting root access, any ideas?
[06:55] <Go0ro0> What I'm trying to get is how to install programs
[06:55] <bigfoot1> Burgundavia, i did. then it exited from that dialog window, and i 'm back in the main synaptic screen.
[06:55] <Go0ro0> I know it sounds extremely n00bish
[06:55] <Cthulhu> dj-pynguin, sudo passwd
[06:55] <Go0ro0> but it's foreign to me. It's not just double click & go like windows
[06:55] <Burgundavia> bigfoot1, click on the custom button, then the broken filter
[06:55] <rymdapan> anyone? 26 updates when i added the backports in source.list
[06:55] <wizo> Go0ro0, wad are u running on
[06:55] <Cthulhu> dj-pynguin, if you really need root..
[06:55] <tigliona1bit> dj-pynguin: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:55] <Go0ro0> wizo: ???
[06:56] <Burgundavia> rymdapan, not surprised
[06:56] <tigliona1bit> You don't need root.  Use sudo
[06:56] <Burgundavia> rymdapan, use backports sparingly
[06:56] <fivel256> dj-penguin sudo passwd root
[06:56] <Go0ro0> tigliona1bit, got the PDF thanks
[06:56] <ratl3> that root thing is confusing
[06:56] <wizo> nvm
[06:56] <Go0ro0> wizo, on my laptop
[06:56] <dbernar1> rymdapan: yeah, dont upgrade with backports enabled, only get programs you want from then.
[06:56] <bigfoot1> Burgundavia, okay i found it.
[06:56] <dbernar1> m
[06:56] <bigfoot1> thank you.
[06:56] <Burgundavia> ratl3, that is why ubuntu uses sudo
[06:56] <fivel256> to keep users from jacking it up
[06:56] <ratl3> i don't know if sudo is better from a user standpoint though
[06:57] <Burgundavia> ratl3, much
[06:57] <rymdapan> ok so i am f*cked now or what?
[06:57] <Burgundavia> ratl3, I have done helpdesk
[06:57] <bigfoot1> but what can i do now. How can i get this broken file (gnomeboyadvance) back to normal?
[06:57] <Burgundavia> rymdapan, have you already upgraded?
[06:57] <ratl3> yeah?
[06:57] <dbernar1> rymdapan: did you upgrade?
[06:57] <tigliona1bit> sudo can be used in all of the same ways that the true root account can
[06:57] <rymdapan> yes i upgraded
[06:57] <Burgundavia> rymdapan, I wouldn't worry about it
[06:57] <dbernar1> ok, well, maybe you wotn be screwed,...
[06:57] <ratl3> Burgundavia: i guess i just like having a root account
[06:57] <dj-pynguin> cant use sudo even though, still says the password is incorrect
[06:57] <fivel256> mark the package for compleat removal bigfool1
[06:57] <Go0ro0> tigliona1bit, PM oK?
[06:57] <bigfoot1> does anybody know how to fix "broken" files/packages? Is the only solution to remove it?
[06:57] <dj-pynguin> but i just booted, ive done it about 6 times now
[06:58] <Burgundavia> ratl3, that is common is you have previous linux experience
[06:58] <tigliona1bit> dj-pynguin: you use sudo and your first user password
[06:58] <fivel256> dj-penguin the first password is YOUR pass
[06:58] <zoe1222> hello,
[06:58] <dbernar1> yo!
[06:58] <zoe1222> I need install help,
[06:58] <ratl3> Burgundavia: i guess ubuntu wasn't made for me... :(
[06:58] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: Have you consulted the FAQ / WIKI?
[06:58] <zoe1222> yeah,
[06:58] <zoe1222> I did a search,
[06:58] <Burgundavia> ratl3, they are working on smarter root account handling, for people who prefer it
[06:58] <zoe1222> and didn
[06:58] <CarlFK> apt-get install libgd2, but I still get "webserver to have the GD graphics module installed. " trying to install Gallery2 - anyone know what I am missing?
[06:58] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: Whats your problem?
[06:59] <rymdapan> is there any preinstall things to do with the /home folder before i reinstall? clening ut settings and such?
[06:59] <zoe1222> X windows won't start
[06:59] <Burgundavia> rymdapan, I wouldn't reinstall over backports
[06:59] <ratl3> Burgundavia: is it called sudo passwd?
[06:59] <ratl3> heh
[06:59] <dj-pynguin> during the custom boot it asked for a root password, which i set, now im trying to mount my MacOS X drive, but need root privaleges
[06:59] <zoe1222> it works fine on the live CD
[06:59] <zoe1222> but after install it chokes,
[06:59] <Burgundavia> ratl3, no, deeper things
[06:59] <ratl3> Burgundavia: like what?
[06:59] <dbernar1> dj-pynguin: can you please tell me the command to mount the hfs whatever Mac fs?
[07:00] <bigfoot1> i'm a newbie. Does anybody here use gnomeboyadvance? (or visualboyadvance)?
[07:00] <rymdapan> Burgundavia, ok
[07:00] <rymdapan> thx guys
[07:00] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: What video card do you have/
[07:00] <Burgundavia> ratl3, possible handling in .desktop files, etc.
[07:00] <dbernar1> gnomeboy advance, nice.
[07:00] <Shuddertrix> bigfoot1: I use vba, no frontends however.
[07:00] <fivel256> mount -t hfs /your/drive /mnt/whatever (as root)
[07:00] <zoe1222> whatever was standard on the 5 color imacs,
[07:00] <ratl3> Burgundavia: sudo within .desktop files? is this lindows?
[07:00] <wazdmin> is there a better mp3 player..when i open a song it doesnt play very well from when i first lanunch it
[07:00] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: If you want to save trouble, boot your LIVE CD, mount your / directory on your hard drive, copy the /etc/X11/xorg.conf to your hard drive.
[07:00] <dj-pynguin> i know how to mnt, i just cant get root access
[07:01] <zoe1222> ATI something,
[07:01] <bigfoot1> Shuddertrix, thank you for your response. I'm just wondering if it's possible to save? What key do we press?
[07:01] <Burgundavia> ratl3, no, telling the system that an application needs root privs
[07:01] <ratl3> Burgundavia: ohhh
[07:01] <fivel256> sudo mount
[07:01] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: Do you even have a log of error messages which you can providE?
[07:01] <zoe1222> copy it to the same directory?
[07:01] <Burgundavia> ratl3, then letting the sytem decide what to use
[07:01] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: yes.
[07:01] <dbernar1> wazdmin: has to be better than something, which are you using>?
[07:01] <Burgundavia> ratl3, that is one option, there are other one the table
[07:01] <zoe1222> where is the log kept?
[07:01] <bigfoot1> Shuddertrix, and how do you pause the game (running in fullscreen) to go to back to the desktop for a while?
[07:01] <zoe1222> I can look at it,
[07:01] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: If you mounted to /mnt/harddrive, then you'll copy it too, /mnt/harddrive/etc/X11/
[07:02] <yahalom> anyone here use hotkeys?
[07:02] <Shuddertrix> bigfoot1: not quite sure on either (I don't use savestates, and I never play in fullscreen) Sorry.
[07:02] <zoe1222> alright, I can try that.
[07:02] <ratl3> Burgundavia: I think that's a good idea, what are the other ideas?
[07:02] <dj-pynguin> fivel:  i get booted into the OS and then cant change anything that needs root privaledges, it prompts for a password and i type the exact same as i configured, but it says incorrect
[07:02] <Shuddertrix> Perhaps someone else knows.
[07:03] <bigfoot1> Shuddertrix, okay. Coz i couldn't find any info in the manual.
[07:03] <fivel256> it wants your user pass
[07:03] <Burgundavia> ratl3, I don't know enough to flesh them out
[07:03] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: /var/log
[07:03] <ratl3> Burgundavia: oh, ok
[07:03] <zoe1222> alright.
[07:03] <fivel256> dj-penguin user pass
[07:03] <bigfoot1> Shuddertrix, in the windows version, it has this feature, so i thought we Linux users have this feature, too.
[07:03] <Shuddertrix> bigfoot1: There's probably a config file that can hold the keys and stuff..
[07:03] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: you can cat each of the log files then pipe it through grep searching for EE.
[07:03] <FLeiXiuS> cat /var/log/xorg* |grep EE
[07:03] <dj-pynguin> fivel: what do you mean?
[07:03] <FLeiXiuS> That'll give you the error messages.
[07:04] <fivel256> dj-penguin when you login, thats the pass sudo uses
[07:04] <zoe1222> why EE?
[07:04] <stm_designer> darn it the link is there and I thought it was working but it didn't run with browser restart
[07:04] <wazdmin> i am using the default mp 3 player for ubunut
[07:05] <wazdmin> i am not sure what that is
[07:05] <wazdmin> music play i think
[07:05] <dj-pynguin> fivel:  I dont have to login the first time i boot, remember i am on LiveCD boot, so it auto-signs in
[07:05] <synd> wazdmin: rhythmbox
[07:05] <wazdmin> and then ..some dounds are broken..for applications
[07:05] <wazdmin> i have editted my esd.conf already
[07:05] <dj-pynguin> fivel: then i try to make a directory and it prompts for a password, so i put in the root password and it fails
[07:05] <wazdmin> still dont work properly
[07:06] <fivel256> what are you trying to make a dir on?
[07:06] <wazdmin> i think it is just my sound not working right
[07:06] <dj-pynguin> fivel: during configuration before liveCD "installs"  i dont make a user password or even a name for the account
[07:07] <dj-pynguin> fivel:  trying to mkdir /mnt/macosx
[07:07] <wazdmin> have there been any other solutions to broken sound besieds editing the esd.conf
[07:07] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: Error messages are denoted by EE
[07:07] <stm_designer> how would I remove the link to try a different one
[07:07] <dj-pynguin> i want to mount /dev/hda3 /mnt/macosx
[07:08] <fivel256> dj-penguin: have you tried the places menu
[07:08] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: Sure, install the sound modules for your kernel.
[07:08] <zoe1222> hmm,
[07:08] <dj-pynguin> never have used it, where is it found?
[07:08] <wazdmin> humh....i am not sure how to do so
[07:08] <zoe1222> X windows doesn't have a log,
[07:08] <GMAN003> OKAY, SO I HAVE A PROBLEM.............
[07:08] <GMAN003> NEED HELP
[07:08] <fivel256> dj-penguin:on the top to the right of the big foot
[07:08] <jbroome> GMAN003: your caps lock is stuck?
[07:08] <IceDC571> wonderful
[07:08] <GMAN003> U GUYS ARE LIFE SAVERS IN HERE
[07:08] <GMAN003> HA HA
[07:08] <wazdmin> this is my first linux distro..i just installed today
[07:08] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: boot up, then ctrl+alt+f1 and login.
[07:08] <synd> GMAN003: turn off your caps
[07:09] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: type, sudo startx
[07:09] <hondje> So, why does sudo from a terminal let ethereal run and do its thing, but gksudo doesn't let it, and requires a real root passwd?
[07:09] <GMAN003> wine wine
[07:09] <synd> GMAN003: chill, please.
[07:09] <IceDC571> i got foobar2000 to work perfectly in linux! yay
[07:09] <FLeiXiuS> that'll either start gnome or close and give you error messages in a LOG.
[07:09] <zoe1222> and,
[07:09] <dj-pynguin> fivel: ok i see it, i dont see how it helps though
[07:09] <GMAN003> anyway, ubuntu wont load my nvidia drivers now or the default ubuntu video driver
[07:09] <zoe1222> whoa, it doesn't seem to be installed,
[07:09] <GMAN003> synd: no prob, just teasin
[07:09] <fivel256> dj-penguin: click computer
[07:09] <zoe1222> No file or directory,
[07:10] <dj-pynguin> fivel: ok there
[07:10] <zoe1222> wait,
[07:10] <FLeiXiuS> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:10] <GMAN003> so anyone know what to do?
[07:10] <wizo> GMAN003,
[07:10] <wazdmin> flexius : can you help me fix my sound..i have been trying for hours
[07:10] <fivel256> dj-penguin: brb
[07:11] <wizo> try reading www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:11] <dj-pynguin> fivel: ok
[07:11] <GMAN003> wizo: been there, nothing showing on how to fix that issue
[07:11] <wizo> oh ok
[07:11] <alberto_> Hello, I have a pppd connection that dies every 2.5 minutes....    i think its a setting that makes it check for something. ... Here is the error message....... sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 "Peer not responding"] 
[07:11] <zoe1222> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc:  line 2 /usr/bin/X11/X:  No such file or directory
[07:11] <alberto_> can anyone help ?
[07:11] <zoe1222> is the first half of the error,
[07:12] <sutabi_> Is there a way to reset my apt server list? I kinda messed it up without a backup
[07:12] <FLeiXiuS> zoe1222: Do as I said.
[07:12] <ricosuave17> is ubuntu nice/
[07:12] <GMAN003> again, anyone got any ideas about video issues?
[07:12] <wazdmin> prolly if i had sound
[07:12] <wazdmin> fuckin gay ass esd
[07:12] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: you can use tab for nick completion :-P, that way I know your denoted your words to me =)
[07:12] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: ESD is not the only choice.
[07:12] <rubiXx> on the live cd where is the apt-get database files stored
[07:12] <wazdmin> = P
[07:12] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: There's alsa, OSS, arts, and a few more.
[07:13] <wazdmin> ...i see have alsa oss and custom
[07:13] <wazdmin> yepp ..i can get any of them to work..and im sure i have not ried ropely
[07:13] <wazdmin> cant**
[07:13] <ukato> i'm having trouble with SDL, could someone help me
[07:13] <wazdmin> is there a guide
[07:14] <GMAN003> does anyone know if i reinstall ubuntu, will it erase documents and other user files?
[07:15] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: There are always guys ... read the faq and the wiki for more help.  If not consult the forums.
[07:15] <Smeggy> guys lol
[07:15] <wazdmin> ergghh
[07:15] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: Do you know what sound card you have?
[07:15] <sutabi_> how would I gain access to my windows partition?
[07:15] <wazdmin> i have onbaord sound
[07:15] <wazdmin> ATI mobo
[07:15] <wazdmin> relateck
[07:15] <dj-pynguin> has anyone used Ubuntu LiveCD PPC edition?
[07:15] <wazdmin> brand new
[07:15] <wizo> sutabi_,  www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:16] <wizo> it will tell u how to mount it
[07:16] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: lspci
[07:16] <GMAN003> sutabi: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[07:16] <wazdmin> can i paste results in here
[07:16] <rubiXx> what are the warty app repository site names?
[07:16] <FLeiXiuS> wizo: No one here reads ... they expect help to be given to them.
[07:16] <wazdmin> i know it will be alot
[07:16] <wizo> =.=
[07:16] <wizo> seveas hates ubuntuguide
[07:16] <wizo> =x
[07:16] <zoe1222> alright,
[07:16] <hondje> Ubuntu guide is bad mojo
[07:17] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: Of course not.
[07:17] <zoe1222> I rebooted, logged in, and typed 'sudo startx'
[07:17] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: Can't you tell which is your sound card?
[07:17] <hondje> it has good parts to cover the bad stuff
[07:17] <zoe1222> and same thing.
[07:17] <wazdmin> where should i paste it
[07:17] <wizo> paste.linux smth smth.com or .org
[07:17] <Shuddertrix> wazdmin: Please don't, use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:17] <zoe1222> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc:  line 2 /usr/bin/X11/X:  No such file or director
[07:17] <wazdmin> k
[07:17] <zoe1222> followed by something similar.
[07:17] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: Theres plenty of places, but I'm not willing to help you if your not willing to help yourself.
[07:18] <GMAN003> who knows video drivers, settings in here?
[07:18] <GMAN003> or how to recover from video errors?
[07:18] <wazdmin> im srry if it appears that way
[07:18] <wazdmin> but i am trying
[07:18] <wazdmin> i have pasted the output from lspci at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:19] <bigfoot1> Shuddertrix, i checked the config file for visualboyadvance. do't think it has the "save anytime" ability.
[07:19] <rubiXx> can you install qtparted on unbuntu live
[07:19] <bigfoot1> Shuddertrix, but you know what's funny? If you press F1-F10 keys, it says "open State X"?
[07:19] <Shuddertrix> bigfoot1: save states, you mean, probably a F key..
[07:19] <Shuddertrix> yeah..
[07:19] <jasmuz> rubiXx: havent seen it yet
[07:20] <bigfoot1> a newbie question here. I downloaded a deb file from the internet. WHere is the default/recmmonded place i put it in?
[07:20] <FLeiXiuS> 0000:00:14.5 Multimedia %baudio controller%b: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4370
[07:20] <synd> bigfoot1: wherever youw ant
[07:20] <rubiXx> jasmuz, aight, thx man, i'm out
[07:20] <sidjp> i dont know how i do to install crossover in my computer
[07:20] <wazdmin> i take it thats what i need to fix ?
[07:21] <bigfoot1> synd, true, i put it in my home directory. but if i keep getting debs, it gets messy? I thought there would be a place most Linux users put their .deb files.
[07:21] <sidjp> somebody help me please
[07:21] <Amaranth> hondje: ?
[07:21] <bigfoot1> when i run top, it says Firefox is taking up 50% of memory. But it only has 4 tabs open. WHy is it hogging up memory?
[07:22] <Shuddertrix> bigfoot1: wherever you please, I personally use ~/Downloads/Packages for mine. Put them wherever you want, it's your choice.
[07:22] <hondje> Amaranth: Why can you launch ethereal from terminal using sudo, but when you try to launch it from the menu (the 'root required' one) gksudo doesn't let you use your passwd, and makes you use a real root account?
[07:22] <kjon> Hello people. I would like to ask you something. Does a program like Fineprint exist in linux world?
[07:22] <Shuddertrix> bigfoot1: Firefox seems like a memory hog..
[07:22] <sidjp> how i can to install crossover in my computer
[07:22] <wazdmin> FLeiXiuS 0000:00:14.5 Multimedia %baudio controller%b: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4370 ...what does this mean ?
[07:22] <hondje> Amaranth: awhile ago someone told me that root was needed for some kernel thingie, but sudo ethereal doesn't seem to be missing anything, and you're the menu genius :)
[07:23] <bigfoot1> Shuddertrix, okay, thanks. i thought there was a default place/folder Linux users place .deb files from computer. I'm just wondering, WHere does synaptic place deb files?
[07:23] <jeld> hondje, thats the difference between gksu and gksudo :)
[07:23] <dle> Hi.  Is anyone else noticing throughput trouble from archive.ubuntu.com ?
[07:23] <tigliona1bit> yo guys, what's the command to see all current volumes connected?
[07:23] <hondje> Well, gksudo and gksu -S ethereal work fine from a terminal, too...just not from the menu :-/
[07:23] <gp_aaron> I need to switch where grub is installed.. how do I do that
[07:24] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: Thats the sound card you have, lsmod |grep snd
[07:24] <jasmuz> dle: no
[07:24] <dle> jasmuz: I sure am.
[07:24] <dle> But I gues it's no archive's problem.
[07:24] <dle> s/no/not/
[07:24] <bigfoot1> Shuddertrix, what does the "~" sign in  "~/Downloads/Packages" mean?
[07:24] <kjon> I need a printing manager like fineprint for ubuntu. Does a program like that one exist?
[07:24] <asimismo> I keep looking for someone here with evms experience? Since it's part of ubuntu and seems like such a useful tool I'm sure someone's using it?
[07:24] <jasmuz> dle: you guessed it
[07:25] <dj-pynguin> bigfootl:  means your home dir
[07:25] <bigfoot1> i see.
[07:25] <sutabi_> ermmm I am typing in fat and fat32 in mount and says unknown
[07:25] <KillerSmurf> hello all. how would I be able to run a command at start-up?
[07:25] <KillerSmurf> vfat
[07:26] <wazdmin> FLeiXius: im not sure what i need to do from now
[07:26] <stm_designer> ok so far with no headway made mind you I did get the java lib installed and made the symbolic link to mozilla plugin folder but it is still not picking up the java runtime what in the world am I doing wrong
[07:26] <bigfoot1> how do i install a deb file?
[07:26] <dj-pynguin> sutabi, have you mounted your windows partition?
[07:26] <gp_aaron> can anyone tell me how I can switch grub to be install at hdb4 instead of hda1
[07:26] <KillerSmurf> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t vfat -o umask=000
[07:27] <KillerSmurf> bigfoot apt-get
[07:27] <KillerSmurf> hello all. how would I be able to run a command at start-up?
[07:27] <wizo> errr
[07:27] <wazdmin> i think i need to fix a driver correct ?
[07:27] <bigfoot1> KillerSmurf, do i use "apt-get" with a deb file that is on my hard drive already?
[07:27] <rob^> dpkg -i package
[07:28] <wizo> bigfoot1, u dun, use dpkg <optione> file
[07:28] <gp_aaron> bigfoot1, you can use dpkg
[07:28] <bigfoot1> thank you.
[07:28] <tomchuk> KillerSmurf: you want to automatically mount your windows partition at boot?
[07:28] <wazdmin> this isnt much fun
[07:28] <KillerSmurf> no
[07:28] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: nota  driver, but a module.  Or perhaps you don't have the modules loaded.
[07:28] <duken> hi i lost my password
[07:28] <duken> how to recovery that ?
[07:28] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: make sure your sounds not muted first :-P  run alsamixer from a terminal
[07:29] <brendan_> upon completion of updates recieved message "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
[07:29] <wazdmin> done..sounds arent muted
[07:29] <stm_designer> this is the message I am getting now when I try to link it ln:'/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins//libjavaplugin_oji.so': File exists
[07:29] <tomchuk> KillerSmurf: sorry, must have been reading a reply, do you want to start an app when you login or when the system starts?
[07:29] <bigfoot1> how do i "force" an install with dpkg?
[07:29] <hondje> --force ?
[07:29] <jasmuz> dpgk -f
[07:30] <duken> apt-get -f install ?
[07:30] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: Have you followed the guides on ubuntuguide / wiki / faq?
[07:30] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[07:30] <budluva> duken dpkg
[07:31] <duken> oww sorry
[07:31] <luke> is there a way to update to 5.04 from 4.10?
[07:31] <tigliona1bit> luke: you mean downgrade
[07:31] <tigliona1bit> oh whoops
[07:31] <duken> how to recover password,if i'm lost ?
[07:31] <luke> tigliona1bit, no?
[07:31] <tigliona1bit> I read that backwards, and am an idiot
[07:31] <jasmuz> luke: that is downgrading
[07:31] <Burgundavia> luke, yhou ment o 5.10?
[07:31] <tigliona1bit> looks like jasmuz did too
[07:32] <wazdmin> yes i have done that..i am gonna check for a mistake realquick
[07:32] <luke> no i mean upgrade from 4.10 to 5.04
[07:32] <tigliona1bit> yes, I believe all it entails is an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and such
[07:32] <tomchuk> KillerSmurf: I don't have gnome, but look for the sessions section in a preferences menu and on the third tab you can add apps to start when you login
[07:32] <jasmuz> luke: the version numbers go up not down!
[07:32] <Burgundavia> luke, yes, change your sources.list
[07:32] <tigliona1bit> jasmuz: uh..
[07:32] <Burgundavia> luke, all references of warty, replace with hoary
[07:32] <luke> jasmuz, can you read?
[07:32] <dj-pynguin> Luke is the man, everyone else needs an english lesson, hehe
[07:32] <lotia> how do i get the livecd to recognize my sata drives
[07:32] <luke> Burgundavia, ok thanks
[07:33] <luke> dj-pynguin, haha thank you =)
[07:33] <dj-pynguin> lotia, you have to mount them
[07:33] <Burgundavia> luke, and the term "can you read" is considered rude
[07:33] <lotia> i have an intel sata controller on my board (intel 945)
[07:33] <lotia> dj-pynguin: machine has no idea that drives even exist
[07:33] <tomchuk> KillerSmurf: yeah, you just click add and type in the command
[07:33] <FLeiXiuS> wazdmin: Also do a lsmod for me and paste it out.
[07:33] <jasmuz> luke is there a way to update to 5.04 from 4.10?--->pardon me but you said it backwards my friend.
[07:34] <luke> Burgundavia, is there any guides that explain step by step how to upgrade to 5.04?
[07:34] <jasmuz> yea
[07:34] <jasmuz> im a dummy
[07:34] <jasmuz> it must be the time
[07:34] <luke> jasmuz, no that is not backwards... read it again
[07:34] <Burgundavia> luke, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpgradingFromWartyWarthogToHoaryHedgehog?highlight=%28warty%29
[07:34] <dj-pynguin> man luke, they are really on you tonight, huh?
[07:34] <luke> Burgundavia, thank you much
[07:34] <stm_designer> ahh found my problem it is with the permissions how do I change them to the correct permission
[07:34] <jasmuz> luke: upgrading is easy...change your sources.list and hit sudo apt-get update and later sudo apt-get dist-upgrade it will do everything for you
[07:35] <luke> dj-pynguin, is it just me or is update *to* 5.04 *from* 4.10 not correct?
[07:35] <dj-pynguin> lotia:  in console type: sudo fdisk -l, that should show you some more info on what is recognized
[07:35] <dj-pynguin> Luke, you are 100% correct, like i said, English lesson time
[07:35] <dj-pynguin> hehe
[07:35] <bigfoot1> is this the right pattern to use: " dpkg --force all  foo.deb"?
[07:36] <luke> dj-pynguin, haha i didnt even think that was english... just common sense
[07:36] <dj-pynguin> luke, very good point
[07:36] <dickface> Hi
[07:36] <lotia> dj-pynguin disks arent recognized at all. they are sata devices which normally show up as /dev/sda and /dev/sdb
[07:37] <rymdapan> firefox 1.0.4 in backports is a real stable official release?
[07:37] <wazdmin> i was following the guide..on step 7 i couldnt complete the sudo apt-get install libesd-alsa0 command it gave me a Reading package lists... Done
[07:37] <wazdmin> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:37] <wazdmin> Package libesd-alsa0 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:37] <wazdmin> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:37] <wazdmin> is only available from another source
[07:37] <wazdmin> E: Package libesd-alsa0 has no installation candidate
[07:37] <wazdmin>  error message
[07:37] <wazdmin> srry
[07:37] <dickface> really?
[07:37] <dj-pynguin> lotia, oh mybad your right, hmm, i dont have experience with ubuntu and SATA, sorry
[07:37] <dickface> cool!
[07:37] <tomchuk> rymdapan: yeah 1.0.4 is backported from Debian unstable, I believe
[07:38] <rymdapan> tomchuk, so the best thing is to wait untill a real update without backports?
[07:39] <bigfoot1> after installing a deb file with dpkg, can i move that deb file to another folder?
[07:39] <dj-pynguin> QUESTION:  is there a way to boot into terminal from the LiveCD, cause i think there is actually an error with the user config for some reason on the PPC version
[07:39] <tomchuk> rymdapan: Hoary will never have a new version of Firefox, its version will just be patched for security
[07:39] <jasmuz> rymdapan: get the firefox from the backports, because the update whas a security fix
[07:39] <dj-pynguin> I am having issues with the root password not being recognized
[07:40] <rymdapan> ok, thanx again :P
[07:40] <wazdmin> i had the same problem earlier
[07:40] <bimberi> bigfoot1: yes
[07:40] <bimberi> bigfoot1: you can even delete it if you wish
[07:40] <Amaranth> hondje: Err, that doesn't really have anything to do with the menu.
[07:40] <Amaranth> hondje: It's probably using gksu though
[07:40] <bimberi> dj-pynguin: try your user password
[07:40] <hondje> Amaranth: oh, okay...I'll see if I can't weasel some time to find the problem
[07:40] <bigfoot1> bimberi,  what i meant was, can my computer still recognize it? Won't it wonder where the deb file went?
[07:41] <dj-pynguin> bimberi: no user password was set during configuration, just the option to create a regular account
[07:41] <Amaranth> hondje: If it using gksu file a bug in malone, if it isn't file a bug in malone. :)
[07:41] <dj-pynguin> bimberi: and a root password, which seems not to work
[07:41] <dj-pynguin> bimberi: is there a way to set my password right now for the user account w/o root access?
[07:42] <KillerSmurf> where does the Sessions tab store its confog file?
[07:42] <Amaranth> dj-pynguin: You had to have made a password for the user.
[07:42] <Amaranth> sessions tab in what?
[07:42] <bigfoot1> After running sudo dpkg -i --force-all foo.deb, i deleted foo.deb from my home directory. When i opened synaptic, it said that the file was broken. Shoudl i just ignore this warning?
[07:42] <KillerSmurf> Gnome
[07:42] <Amaranth> KillerSmurf: Err, the GNOME desktop doesn't have tabs.
[07:42] <IceDC571> sessions tab?
[07:42] <dj-pynguin> Amaranth:  not prompted to in the LiveCD PPC version, i know i should have been
[07:42] <bimberi> bigfoot1: once the deb has been installed it's contents have been decompressed and distributed to various places on the system you no longer have to keep the deb file
[07:43] <Amaranth> dj-pynguin: Oh, in the live-cd? no, there is no password
[07:43] <Amaranth> dj-pynguin: Or the password is ubuntu
[07:43] <KillerSmurf> gnome-session-properties
[07:43] <tomchuk> bigfoot1: it's broken because you forced it
[07:43] <wazdmin> FLeiXiuS: what can i do ?
[07:43] <bigfoot1> i see, tomchuk .
[07:43] <hondje> Amaranth: what's malone?
[07:43] <Amaranth> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[07:43] <IceDC571> oh
[07:43] <Amaranth> it's for universe bugs
[07:43] <bigfoot1> thank you. I thought i needed to keep deb files.
[07:43] <IceDC571> its usually stored in the gconf-editor
[07:43] <hondje> oh, awesome, I was wondering about those :) Thanks for the help, Amaranth
[07:43] <bigfoot1> now i know i could just trash them after installing them.
[07:44] <bigfoot1> thank you tomchuk and bimberi .
[07:44] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: Why did  you need to --force-all to make it install?
[07:44] <wazdmin> it took mealmost five hours to install java and azureus..and i cant even figure out sound ..WTF
[07:44] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, i was installing gnomeboyadvance.
[07:44] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: And?
[07:45] <bimberi> bigfoot1: np - I should say that I usually hive them off - just in case i need them later :)
[07:45] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: --force-all is _never_ a good idea
[07:45] <bigfoot1> Amaranth,  gnomeboyadvance depends on python (<< 2.4); however:
[07:45] <bigfoot1>   Version of python on system is 2.4.1-0ubuntu2.
[07:45] <bigfoot1> it didn't recognize my version number.
[07:45] <dj-pynguin> Amaranth:  ubuntu doesnt work for sudo password, and if left blank the command is not execute, but i am not prompted to enter the password again, either
[07:45] <javidot> hi i'm knew to ubuntu and I want to know how to Install RealPlayer
[07:45] <bigfoot1> did i do the right thing?
[07:45] <wazdmin> sighs
[07:45] <wazdmin> im out
[07:45] <IceDC571> lol
[07:46] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: No, I'm surprised that even runs. Also, when you try to use synaptic or apt-get again it will uninstall gnomeboyadvance
[07:46] <bimberi> dj-pynguin: does sudo <command> work?
[07:46] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, yes it runs after doing the force-all option. what else can i do to make it work without using force-all?
[07:47] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: --force-all just calls every --force-* option, you should have found which ones you needed and used just them
[07:47] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: --force-all is dangerous
[07:47] <hondje> haha, my daughter saw a penguin picture, and called it 'tux'
[07:47] <tomchuk> bigfoot1: install it from the tar.gz file from the download site, probably much easier
[07:47] <dj-pynguin> bimberi: no, because when asked for the password:  if 'ubuntu' returns 'Sorry, Try again' else if '' brings me back to prompt, but <command> never executed
[07:47] <bimberi> Amaranth: so force-depends perhaps ?
[07:48] <bigfoot1> so which one do i need? I did force all because some kind person on this chatroom advised me to do so. He said there's no danger, as it's only the version number that isn't recognized.
[07:48] <dj-pynguin> hondje:  i love it!!!
[07:48] <Amaranth> bimberi: That would have been good.
[07:48] <bigfoot1> tomchuk, oh, is tar.gz easier than .deb?
[07:48] <bigfoot1> i didn't know that.
[07:48] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: It doesn't matter anymore. You'll love the package next time you install something though.
[07:48] <tomchuk> bigfoot1: well it's better than forcing a deb that you can't meet the deps for
[07:49] <Amaranth> err, lose
[07:49] <bigfoot1> I'll "love" the package, Amaranth ? what do you mean?
[07:49] <bigfoot1> Next time i run synaptic, you mentioned that synaptic would want to remove this program, right?
[07:49] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: Lose, it was a typo.
[07:49] <bigfoot1> oh, lose.
[07:49] <bigfoot1> gotcha.
[07:49] <SymGeosis> Anybody here run VLC?
[07:49] <bigfoot1> so shoudl i just get the tar.gz file?
[07:49] <dj-pynguin> bimberi:  any ideas or directions i should take?
[07:49] <Amaranth> SymGeosis: I did before I upgraded to breezy.
[07:50] <bigfoot1> if i get the tar.gz version, i don't need to force anything?
[07:50] <tomchuk> bigfoot1: "apt-get -f install" from the command line should get rid of the package you forced in
[07:50] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: First you should try to find a deb that works with your system
[07:50] <bimberi> dj-pynguin: just verifying that this is the livecd
[07:50] <bigfoot1> how do i go about finding one?
[07:50] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, ?
[07:50] <SymGeosis> Amaranth, do you know if it is possible if you already have one instance of VLC open and you open a media file externally to have it open in your current instance of VLC instead of opening a new instance?
[07:50] <bimberi> dj-pynguin: sorry - badly framed.  Are you using the Live CD?
[07:51] <Amaranth> SymGeosis: I don't think it is. If you can do that I don't know how, sorry.
[07:51] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: I'm looking
[07:51] <SymGeosis> Damn, I've been trying to figure that out all day. And I really like the iTunes theme for it too...
[07:51] <bigfoot1> and just a general question: is it better in principle to use the tar.gz file rather than the .deb file, if both are available?
[07:52] <SymGeosis> Back to BMP I suppose.
[07:52] <dj-pynguin> bimberi: yes, im using the liveCD PPC edition
[07:52] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: .deb is always better
[07:52] <dj-pynguin> bimberi: i need to recover data from my MacMini
[07:52] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: .tar.gz is compiling from source and synaptic won't know about it
[07:52] <ptesone> tar.gz is easy for slackware
[07:52] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: So you won't be able to uninstall
[07:52] <ptesone> and that too. . .
[07:52] <bimberi> dj-pynguin: does "su -" work - with the root password
[07:53] <SymGeosis> bigfoot1, well you will, you'll just have to do it manually. Like the old days.
[07:53] <bimberi> dj-pynguin: (I think you said you've set one)
[07:53] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, i got the deb file from http://developer.berlios.de/projects/gnomeboyadvance/
[07:53] <dj-pynguin> bimberi:  YOU ARE A GODSEND!!!
[07:54] <dj-pynguin> bimberi:  thanks so much for pointing out the obvious to me, now i feel dumb
[07:54] <bimberi> dj-pynguin: Hallelujah - seems I've finally helped someone today
[07:54] <bigfoot1> what's everyone favorite Snes games here?
[07:54] <bimberi> :)
[07:55] <dj-pynguin> bye for now everyone - PS bimberi rules!!!
[07:55] <bimberi> aw shucks :)
[07:55] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: Looks like you'll have to compile from source, I can't find anything.
[07:55] <jasmuz> hahaha
[07:55] <ptesone> compile what
[07:55] <jasmuz> Good night guys
[07:55] <Amaranth> If I was actually on an ubuntu system I would just make you a new package
[07:56] <KillerSmurf> has ubuntu fixed the gnome freezing with 2.6.11 yet?
[07:56] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, thank you for helping me out here.
[07:56] <Amaranth> KillerSmurf: It won't be fixed.
[07:56] <Amaranth> KillerSmurf: There is a reason that package is in universe.
[07:57] <bigfoot1> I'm afraid of compiling by source. so maybe i'll just not use this front-end program and just use visualboyadvance.
[07:57] <KillerSmurf> That's what they said ... I'm was just womdering
[07:58] <Amaranth> KillerSmurf: That isn't even 2.6.11. It's a snapshot from sometime after the 2.6.10 release that the ubuntu kernel guys were working on hoping 2.6.11 would come out before hoary froze.
[07:58] <bigfoot1> How do i find out the hexadecimal values for the keys on the keyboard? For example. Left arrow is 0114.
[07:58] <Amaranth> 0114 isn't hex
[07:58] <bigfoot1> Enter is 000d.
[07:58] <Amaranth> wait, i'm tired
[07:58] <Amaranth> heh, i dunno
[07:58] <bigfoot1> it isnt?
[07:58] <vinux> Hey guys, how do I install cursors?
[07:59] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, you are right.
[07:59] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, Keys values are in the format YXXX where Y is the device number
[07:59] <bigfoot1> my bad.
[07:59] <javidot> Anyone have experience Installing RealPlayer?
[07:59] <bigfoot1> anyway, does anyone know how i can find out the hexadecimal values for the keys on our keyboards?
[08:00] <PLaf> Hey everyone, I've forgotten my root password and my user password, because ive been grounded for 30 days and ive just been allowed back on, how can i get my pwords back??
[08:00] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: iirc xev shows that
[08:00] <wizo> errr
[08:00] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, what's that?
[08:00] <wizo> root password
[08:00] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: It's a command you run.
[08:00] <wizo> get the shadow file or smth and crack it
[08:00] <bigfoot1> gotcha.
[08:00] <bigfoot1> thanks.
[08:00] <Amaranth> PLaf: Do you need a password in 'recovery mode'?
[08:01] <PLaf> Amaranth: yes
[08:01] <Amaranth> then you're most likely screwed
[08:01] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, bash: iirc: command not found
[08:01] <PLaf> This sucks, i had really cool desktops and gtk themes
[08:01] <vinux> Anybody know how to install a splash screen?
[08:01] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: err, iirc is If I Remember Correctly
[08:01] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: The command is 'xev'
[08:01] <wizo> LOLX
[08:01] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, gotcha.
[08:02] <wizo> unlucky PLaf
[08:02] <PLaf> :(
[08:02] <stm_designer> can anyone tell me what I have done wrong trying to install my java
[08:02] <Amaranth> PLaf: Please tell me your /home was on a different partition from /
[08:02] <wizo> u could try and get the password file
[08:02] <PLaf> Amaranth: no, I installed ubuntu on just one harddrive
[08:03] <PLaf> with just one partition*
[08:03] <vinux> Yea I install ubuntu on one drive too :)
[08:03] <Amaranth> PLaf: Sure, but did you put things on different paritions?
[08:03] <Amaranth> PLaf: d'oh!
[08:03] <wizo> same here
[08:03] <Amaranth> PLaf: You'll have to lose everything then, unless you put the drive in another machine and pull files off it.
[08:03] <PLaf> Amaranth: primary hd's partition is win98SE, secondary hd's partition is ubuntu
[08:03] <siimo> whole lot less ppl here than usual
[08:03] <siimo> is it ubuntu strike
[08:04] <vinux> siimo, hehe
[08:04] <Amaranth> (hint: put /home on it's own partition)
[08:04] <Amaranth> siimo: 428 is less than usual?
[08:04] <PLaf> Amaranth: how can I access the linux harddrive from windows?
[08:04] <siimo> i thought there were 500+ usually
[08:04] <Amaranth> siimo: 99% of the people are idle anyway :P
[08:05] <siimo> anyway let me make it one less
[08:05] <Amaranth> PLaf: Google for some ext3 reader or drivers to make windows see ext3 filesystems.
[08:06] <bigfoot1> Shuddertrix, have you changed the key settings for visualboyadvance?
[08:06] <SymGeosis> PLaf, there are a few. I have one installed for my winXP partition. Though I don't recall which one.
[08:06] <bigfoot1> how do you find out the values to enter in the config file?
[08:06] <SymGeosis> PLaf, one reader I know is Explore2fs iirc. There is also a driver based off of it.
[08:07] <hondje> yay, I figured it out
[08:07] <hondje> now to hit malone
[08:07] <PLaf> SymGeosis: thats freaky, I just found explore2fs
[08:07] <bimberi> PLaf: Or you could use the LiveCD to copy files off the ext3 partition (to the w98 or another PC)
[08:07] <PLaf> bimberi: thats perfect, i'll go get my LiveCD
[08:07] <bigfoot1> Shuddertrix, oh. think i've found the answer.
[08:08] <PLaf> bimberi: but dont I need a password for the livecd too?
[08:08] <bigfoot1> how can i change the status of a read-only file?
[08:08] <bigfoot1> i want to edit a file.
[08:08] <PLaf> bigfoot1: chmod
[08:09] <jbroome> bigfoot1: make sure you're root if it's a system file you're trying to edit
[08:09] <bimberi> PLaf: It should work
[08:09] <maruchan> is their a reason why in azureus, when you click on open file, nothing happens
[08:09] <bimberi> PLaf: worth a try anyway
[08:09] <bigfoot1> it's a config file for visualboyadvance.
[08:09] <PLaf> bimberi: thanks a lot, ill go try it right now!
[08:10] <bigfoot1> i want to edit it in Text Editor (gui version)
[08:12] <bigfoot1> i don't know how to use chmod, even after reading --help. maybe i shoudl just to some sudo command to have the config file open up in Text Editor. What command should i use?
[08:13] <bigfoot1> i'm using Gnome Terminal. I like how it shows previously entered commands when I press the up key. Is there a way to see a list of these previously entered commands?
[08:13] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: I can help you, what do you nede it to do?
[08:14] <tigliona1bit> history
[08:14] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, thank you. I would like to edit a read-only config in Text Editor.
[08:14] <hondje> alright, the hondje bug de jour is filed
[08:14] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: chmod +w thefile
[08:15] <tigliona1bit> er, actually, it's best to learn the octal way of saying it
[08:15] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, thank you. what's the "octal" way of saying things?
[08:15] <ukato> what's a segmentation fault.
[08:16] <Cthulhu> if the file is read only maybe the better way is to use sudo <editor>
[08:16] <SymGeosis> man chmod
[08:16] <tigliona1bit> read = 4, write = 2, execute = 1.  Add them up, and the first number is root, second is group, third is Everyone (including outside users).  So read+write is 6, so you'll say chmod 660 thefile
[08:16] <SymGeosis> gah, this isn't my console...
[08:16] <Cthulhu> ukato, program did something very bad and died ;>
[08:16] <tigliona1bit> that will make it read+write for root and group, but nothing for outside..
[08:16] <bigfoot1> Cthulhu, yes. what command must i invoke to have terminal open up text editor with sudo access?
[08:16] <ukato> cthulhu, nooooo
[08:16] <SymGeosis> I really should actually figure out how to do chmod out side of "777" and what not...
[08:16] <bimberi> tigliona1bit: Nicely done - I was wondering how you'd do that in only a few words :)
[08:16] <tigliona1bit> or chmod 664 if you want outside to have read
[08:17] <Cthulhu> bigfoot1, sudo editor file ?
[08:17] <Cthulhu> there is also Root Terminal in System Tools
[08:17] <bigfoot1> i mean the GUI text editor.
[08:17] <Cthulhu> oh.. ;>
[08:17] <bigfoot1> i don't like using the terminal editors. They are hard for me to move around.
[08:17] <bimberi> bigfoot1: sudo gedit <filename>
[08:17] <IceDC571> sudo gedit
[08:18] <IceDC571> yeah
[08:18] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: launch a gui editor from the terminal
[08:18] <Cthulhu> but you can always sudo gedit file
[08:18] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: just go to the terminal and say `sudo gedit`
[08:18] <tigliona1bit> it'll launch as super
[08:19] <bigfoot1> if you can teach me how to move around with terminal editors, then i guess i don't have to use gedit.
[08:19] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, great. thanks.
[08:19] <bigfoot1> thank you bimberi  and IceDC571
[08:20] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: if you want to learn to use vim, run vimtutor.  To learn emacs, run emacs and hit control-h and then press t
[08:20] <SymGeosis> bigfoot1, nano is an easy console text editor to learn on.
[08:20] <IceDC571> vim is really good once you learn it, its easy
[08:20] <tigliona1bit> a simple commandline one is nano or pico.  The commands for those are listed on the bottom of the screen, where a ^ means hold control
[08:20] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, bash: emacs: command not found
[08:20] <SymGeosis> Though I like nvi more.
[08:20] <bigfoot1> i guess i don't have emacs installed.
[08:20] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: you can install it
[08:20] <Cthulhu> IceDC571, oh come on - at the first time i quit vim by duing killall -9 vim from other terminal ;>
[08:20] <cafuego> crud
[08:20] <tigliona1bit> sudo apt-get install emacs21
[08:21] <bigfoot1> do i need emacs?
[08:21] <IceDC571> lol Cthulhu..
[08:21] <bigfoot1> what're its features?
[08:21] <tigliona1bit> Cthulhu: run vimtutor
[08:21] <Cthulhu> but of course vim is better than emacs >;)
[08:21] <cyphase> Anyone here going to linuxWorld or Web 2.0 in San Franciscio?
[08:21] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: uh, a bunch of stuff..   vim is best if you want to edit text the same way you play nethack
[08:21] <tigliona1bit> =P
[08:21] <IceDC571> ive never used emacs before.. i dont think i ever will
[08:22] <tigliona1bit> I like emacs, but it is a little messy
[08:22] <Cthulhu> it was years ago - now i know how to use it.. but it was so fun to quitting it at first.. i couldn't even edit file ;>
[08:22] <hondje> vim jihad!
[08:22] <bigfoot1> so most of these editors share the same controls, yes?
[08:22] <Cthulhu> no ;>
[08:22] <tigliona1bit> it has great code indentation features.  I need to figure out how to make vim do that
[08:22] <r2d4> Is there some sort of screen video that really beats in why I need editors like vi or emacs instead of graphical ones like scite or kate.
[08:22] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, what kind of game is nethack?
[08:22] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: no, they are completely different in every way
[08:22] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: text-based, but quite graphical for text
[08:23] <tigliona1bit> it's a dungeons and dragons game with a lot of surprising things in it, but learning to play it is like learning to use vim
[08:23] <bigfoot1> r2d4 what's a "screen video"?
[08:23] <tigliona1bit> lots of fun if you don't minde dying
[08:23] <hondje> you can get gui frontends for nethack
[08:23] <bigfoot1> why don't you guys prefer using graphical editors like gedit?
[08:23] <r2d4> Like those flash demos or captures of an expert demoing a system.
[08:23] <bigfoot1> gotcha.
[08:23] <r2d4> let me find an example.
[08:24] <hondje> bigfoot1: I prefer vim because it's faster to use, and you don't need X running
[08:24] <bigfoot1> i think i know what you mean. Like a movie made from ScreenCaptures... r2d4, right?
[08:24] <Cthulhu> bigfoot1, because when you learn how to use vim or emacs you will love it..
[08:24] <bigfoot1> Cthulhu, i will?
[08:24] <tigliona1bit> r2d4: uh, no.  But they're flexible, they can be used remotely easily, and once you get a lot of the keyboard controls down you can do things surprisingly quickly without having to click on stuff
[08:24] <hondje> yeah
[08:25] <hondje> it's like using latex, once you know how you can't stand having to stop, move the mouse, click stuff....
[08:25] <r2d4> bigfoot1: something like that. yes! usually flash or avi.
[08:25] <Cthulhu> bigfoot1, ok - if you learn.. ;>
[08:25] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: if you want to start, run vimtutor from console and let it explain things to you.  Be ready to commit a lot of time to learning to use it if you're up to it though
[08:25] <r2d4> I keep hearing how good they are.
[08:25] <r2d4> but never could justify the effort.
[08:26] <r2d4> I find it easier to type something locally and upload.
[08:26] <r2d4> So I don't edit on telnet/ssh a lot.
[08:26] <bigfoot1> r2d4, how good what are? non-graphical text editors?
[08:26] <tigliona1bit> r2d4: think of this--  would you be willing to spend one week learning something new if it would make you look totally l33t and make work faster, or allow you to save money on hardware?
[08:26] <r2d4> bigfoot1: yes. specifically emacs and vi
[08:26] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, what's 133t?
[08:26] <stm_designer> Ok so once again can anyone tell me what in the world I did wrong installing my java
[08:27] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: um, elite
[08:27] <dr_willis> vi - is worth learning the basics - because it will be whats on any recovery/rescue cds normally.
[08:27] <stm_designer> I downloaded it
[08:27] <bigfoot1> oh, neat.
[08:27] <stm_designer> extracted it
[08:27] <hondje> 1337 means that 12 year olds think you're a hacker :)
[08:27] <stm_designer> symbolic linked it to mozilla
[08:27] <stm_designer> and it is still not running
[08:27] <tigliona1bit> stm_designer: the part where you installed java?
[08:27] <bigfoot1> something like sk8r for Skater.
[08:27] <bigfoot1> hondje, ha.
[08:27] <Cthulhu> tigliona1bit, if i dont have enough money for an upgrade than yes - i remember working on old laptop.. i had only console for over a year.. ;>
[08:27] <tigliona1bit> stm_designer: There is a link to a really easy way to install java in http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:28] <r2d4> bigfoot1: I do know the basics of both emacs and vi. I think to use them faster than a familiar GUI editor, I need mastery. The kind for which one week may not be enough.
[08:28] <bigfoot1> i use dvorak as my keyboard layout. I feel elite. 8-)
[08:28] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: me too, sweet!
[08:28] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, right on!
[08:29] <tigliona1bit> unfortunately, I get teased about it by stupid people
[08:29] <tigliona1bit> "Why can't you use a NORMAL keyboard?  Weirdo"
[08:29] <bigfoot1> one day, i hope speech-recognition tech would be so good that we don't have to type that much anymore.
[08:29] <dr_willis> and teased about it by educated people.
[08:29] <dr_willis> :P
[08:29] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: I dunno, I like typing.  I type 80wpm
[08:29] <wizo> haha
[08:29] <bigfoot1> are your fingers faster than your mouth?
[08:29] <Cthulhu> what's so good about dvorak ?
[08:29] <wizo> wads the difference with the keyboard layouts
[08:30] <tigliona1bit> yes, I am
[08:30] <dr_willis> You need this keyboard --->   http://www.daskeyboard.com/
[08:30] <bigfoot1> i think my mouth can say more than 80 wpm.
[08:30] <Cthulhu> bigfoot1, it depends ;>
[08:30] <tigliona1bit> Cthulhu: well, the world record in typing was done on dvorak
[08:30] <wizo> bigfoot1, u have to htink that it might have errors
[08:30] <r2d4> tigliona1bit: Oops! Addressed wrong. I do know the basics of both emacs and vi. I think to use them faster than a familiar GUI editor, I need mastery. The kind for which one week may not be enough.
[08:30] <bigfoot1> what's a spiel, tigliona1bit ?
[08:31] <tigliona1bit> the Dvorak keyboard was made by some army general dude to make sending coded messages over the internet faster.  It places all of the common keys on the home row and reduces the effort it takes to type things.  The Dvorak dude also made one-handed layouts for soldiers who had lost an arm, in the war.
[08:31] <dr_willis> Hmm...
[08:31] <stm_designer> ok the issue is I have sun java on here the link is not working though
[08:32] <tigliona1bit> The traditional "Querty" layout was created to minimize jamming of old school typewriters, by putting all of the common keys far apart so it was hard to type them fast enough to jam it up
[08:32] <bigfoot1> the das keyboard's feature is its blank keys.
[08:32] <dr_willis> Dvorak keyboard layout was designed by Mr Dvorak wasent it.. :P  and hes still a computer-tech guy?
[08:32] <stm_designer> I don't know if I linked it incorrectly or if I installed it into the wrong folder
[08:32] <tigliona1bit> Dvorak is based on the english language and makes typing english much easier, and reduces carpal tunnel syndrom
[08:32] <dr_willis> also the Qwerty  anti-jamming is a Urban Myth. :P
[08:32] <bigfoot1> looks cool. but it would be better if it were a natural keyboard.
[08:32] <tigliona1bit> e
[08:32] <Cthulhu> yeah - qwerty is old but it's so common and in fact i like it
[08:32] <tigliona1bit> dr_willis: how would you know that?
[08:32] <dr_willis> tigliona1bit,  it was on an Urban Myth Web site. :P
[08:33] <tigliona1bit> dr_willis: and you trust everything you read on the internet?
[08:33] <dr_willis> i forget the name. :P snopes?
[08:33] <dr_willis> tigliona1bit,  more then i trust what people say in irc.
[08:33] <wizo> awww man
[08:33] <ratl3> dr_willis: urban myth tv? is that a port?
[08:33] <hondje> snopes is evil, they hit me with a popup the other day
[08:33] <bigfoot1> check out slashdot for a link to a dvorak web comic strip
[08:33] <Cthulhu> if i use dvorak i would have to learn how to write without looking at the keyboard from zero.. :/
[08:33] <wizo> i have less than 2.5 gig left for my ubuntu
[08:33] <dr_willis> ratl3,  that sounds like a good name for a Disrto!
[08:33] <tigliona1bit> seriously, though, why else would they put all of the uncommon keys on the home row, and make such an unintuitive layout?
[08:34] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, no reason.
[08:34] <ratl3> dr_willis: urban myth, or urban myth tv?
[08:34] <tigliona1bit> dvorak has all of the vowels and common letters in the middle, so it's easier to type English
[08:34] <dr_willis> History of Typewriters  :P
[08:34] <dr_willis> those new style 1 handed keyboards are interesting also.
[08:34] <Derkommissar> i have ubuntu on my laptop,,,, the touchpad doesnt work unless i do a modprobe -r psmouse
[08:34] <Derkommissar> modprobe psmouse........   im a fedora user started using ubuntu recenly, usualy i would put those commands on /etc/rc.local and it would execute afther everything booted... where can i put a shell script that would do this for me afther boot???
[08:35] <tigliona1bit> besides, when I was using Querty I couldn't even beat Mario Teaches Typing 2, the 50wpm level.  Now I pwn it
[08:35] <dr_willis> http://www.aboutonehandtyping.com/ - heh - the kind of site i never thought to google for,
[08:35] <bigfoot1> i found the link for the Web fact-based Comic strip advocating Dvorak layout: DvZine.org.
[08:36] <bigfoot1> check it out, y'all.
[08:36] <bigfoot1> dr_willis, you a one-hand typist?
[08:36] <tigliona1bit> Derkommissar: system -> preferences -> sessions
[08:36] <mae> hoorah for ubuntu bp
[08:37] <tigliona1bit> I'm really happy about ubuntu's installer, where it has that "Detect my keyboard layout by hitting some keys".  Just select that, hit n, and poof it says "Dvorak!"
[08:37] <monchichi> Derkommissar: or at the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh would be more appropriate
[08:37] <hondje> tigliona1bit: it's even more ninja magical...it detected my english/korean keyboard, too
[08:37] <rodney_> good morning to all
[08:38] <dr_willis> bigfoot1,  just about
[08:38] <hondje> That made me giggle with happy feelings
[08:38] <Derkommissar> thanks :-)
[08:38] <dr_willis> i brokle my right hand ages ago.. its not as agile.. so i use the left hand  and 'one' finger of the right hand.
[08:39] <bigfoot1> about ViM and keyboard layouts: i'm reading page 2 of vimtutor. I'm sad to read that the keys for moving the cursor are h,j,k, and l, which make sense for a qwerty user, but not for an elite and cool dvorak user (like tigliona1bit  and moah)! 8-)
[08:39] <monchichi> Derkommissar: also, did you try adding psmouse to /etc/modules ?
[08:39] <Derkommissar> yes
[08:39] <Blue_Summer> can anyone really quickly tell me how to install a program? I'm trying to install eupod to make my ipod louder
[08:39] <hondje> bigfoot1: use the arrow keys :)
[08:39] <PLaf> YAY!!! I learnt how to modify grub to allow me to change my super-user password
[08:39] <PLaf> I'm not screwed anymore!
[08:39] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: that is quite true.  You will find though, that there are a bazillion keys in vim for moving around that they haven't told you about yet
[08:39] <hondje> Blue_Summer: use synaptic
[08:39] <Blue_Summer> ???
[08:40] <hondje> Blue_Summer: add the repositories under one of the menu settings, and install stuff to your hearts content
[08:40] <bigfoot1> hondje, what makes you giggle with happy feelings?
[08:40] <bigfoot1> what _made_ you ...
[08:40] <Blue_Summer> repositories?
[08:40] <PLaf> I'm so happy :)
[08:40] <hondje> bigfoot1: the keyboard detector in the installer
[08:40] <rodney_> i need some help here?
[08:40] <wizo> oh dear
[08:40] <bimberi> PLaf: Well done
[08:40] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: get used to jk for up and down, because they're in alright places, but you can move by words with w and b
[08:40] <bigfoot1> in the hoary installer, you mean?
[08:40] <tigliona1bit> and several other buttons
[08:40] <hondje> bigfoot1: yeah
[08:40] <bigfoot1> how come you only knew that now?
[08:41] <wizo> i think my azareus hung and i dunoe which pid it is
[08:41] <Blue_Summer> how do i add a package anyone quickl;y?
[08:41] <hondje> Blue_Summer: go to system -> administration
[08:41] <hondje> pick 'synaptic package manager'
[08:41] <bigfoot1> did you upgrade from the older 4.XX version of ubuntu or something?
[08:41] <bigfoot1> hondje, ?
[08:41] <hondje> then click and install 14k+ packages
[08:41] <tigliona1bit> wizo: ps aux | grep azureus
[08:41] <Blue_Summer> where is install 14k?
[08:41] <wizo> btw
[08:41] <wizo> wads the | stand for
[08:41] <wizo> i know ps aux
[08:41] <tigliona1bit> wizo: or add the "Force Kill" widget to your gnome panel and use that
[08:41] <tigliona1bit> | is a pipe
[08:41] <hondje> bigfoot1: no, I installed over a sid installation
[08:41] <tigliona1bit> it means send the output of the command before it as input to the next command
[08:42] <PLaf> bimberi: for future notice because im sure there will be others like me, what you do is edit the kernel line for grub adding "rw init=/bin/bash", then type "passwd username" and you can enter a new password
[08:42] <bigfoot1> sid is debian?
[08:42] <hondje> bigfoot1: someone else was commenting on the magical keyboard detector
[08:42] <wizo> wads grp
[08:42] <bigfoot1> yeah, it's really cool.u
[08:42] <hondje> yeah, sid == debian unstable
[08:42] <wizo> grep*
[08:42] <hondje> etch == testing, sarge == stable
[08:42] <wizo> nvm
[08:42] <tigliona1bit> wizo: grep is a searching command, Global Regular Expression Print
[08:42] <bigfoot1> when you moved from debian to ubuntu, you didn't experience the magical keyboard selector?
[08:42] <wizo> i found it in man grep
[08:42] <wizo> thx
[08:43] <PLaf> Why is my harddrive randomly reading for no apparent reason...
[08:43] <bigfoot1> when i see the word sarge, i think of the army. Coz sarge sounds like sergeant.
[08:43] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: that's because Sarge is a character in Toy Story
[08:43] <bimberi> PLaf: Thankyou very much for that - I'm hiving that factoid off right now!
[08:43] <tigliona1bit> all debian distros are named after toy story characters
[08:43] <hondje> yep
[08:43] <hondje> woody, potato, sarge, etch, the one before potato that escapes me....
[08:43] <PLaf> bimberi: no problem! but word of caution, adding "init=/bin/bash" puts you in absolute root mode, so be careful what you do
[08:43] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, i did'nt know that.
[08:44] <wizo> thx tigliona1bit
[08:44] <bigfoot1> ha ha ha. Debian people are funny!
[08:44] <bimberi> PLaf: k
[08:44] <mae> anyone have any issues with getting like a "blip" in their music with rythmbox whenever they click stuff. i tried turning off sound events to no avail..
[08:44] <bigfoot1> that's cute!
[08:44] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: personally I like the crazy animal names on ubuntu best =] 
[08:44] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, ha ha.i like the alliteration, too.
[08:44] <hondje> bigfoot1: Sid was the crazy kid next door, so unstable is always Sid
[08:44] <tigliona1bit> I name all my computers after enemies in Super Mario
[08:44] <bigfoot1> hondje, that makes sennse.
[08:44] <hondje> I name mine after word that trigger any oddball 'omfg terrorists!' sensors
[08:45] <hondje> This one is jihad, then we got infidel, mujahadeen, etc
[08:45] <bigfoot1> hondje, like what?
[08:45] <bigfoot1> gotcha.
[08:45] <tigliona1bit> this one's Kamek, my desktop is Spiny, the freakishly old computer is troopa, and my next installs will probably be goomba and yoshi
[08:45] <bigfoot1> ha ha. you are funny.
[08:45] <bigfoot1> you guys are hilarious.
[08:45] <hondje> the ones at work all have stupid names :(
[08:45] <wizo> hmm, with azureus
[08:45] <bigfoot1> i named my one and only computer after its vain owner. it has my name.
[08:45] <bigfoot1> without the "junior".
[08:46] <bigfoot1> 8-)
[08:46] <wizo> Testing port 6881 ... <== is that smth to be worried about?
[08:46] <wizo> Testing port 6881 ... NAT Error <== oops i mean NAT error
[08:46] <ukato> is there a command to eject the CD
[08:46] <tigliona1bit> ukato: unmount
[08:46] <tigliona1bit> I mean umount
[08:46] <ukato> my cd eject button is not working, physically
[08:46] <wizo> ukato, u can juz right click and click eject
[08:46] <NoNiCkS> ukato, eject
[08:46] <wizo> ukato, same here
[08:46] <hondje> The ones at work are named after local mountains
[08:46] <ukato> wizo, it says it's busy
[08:46] <ukato> so it won't work
[08:46] <wizo> hmm
[08:46] <tigliona1bit> oh dude, eject works, that kicks ass
[08:47] <wizo> muz be unmounting then
[08:47] <ukato> eject worked
[08:47] <wizo> Testing port 6881 ... NAT Error <== oops i mean NAT error, would azureus still work
[08:47] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, about dvorak and typing: i got the alphabet down pat. but not the symbols that share space with the number keys.
[08:47] <me> in the ubuntuguide.org, there is installing gnome clipboard daemon - what is it ?
[08:48] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: uh...  those are the same for querty
[08:48] <tigliona1bit> and I don't have em memorized either, who does?
[08:48] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, i guess i never learned them. 8-)
[08:48] <tigliona1bit> that's awesome that you started with dvorak.  But why is your host in japan?
[08:48] <bigfoot1> when i do those keys, my righthand's pinky is over the backspace key, ready for action. 8-)
[08:49] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: you can look at your keyboard for at least that...
[08:49] <tigliona1bit> hehe, you know, it would be really cool if I scraped the labels off my keys though
[08:49] <bigfoot1> that's a great question, tigliona1bit . i'm here for a short time. been here for 2 years. will be back home in a year.
[08:49] <tigliona1bit> but then anyone who wanted to use my computer would complain
[08:49] <bigfoot1> heard of the JET Programme ?  www.jetpgrogramme.org.
[08:49] <tigliona1bit> awesome.  I want to go to Japan some time
[08:50] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, did you think i somehow hacked my identity, to make it seem like i'm in japan?
[08:50] <tigliona1bit> uh, no
[08:50] <Triffid_Hunter> lol tigliona1bit, daskeyboard.com ;)
[08:50] <wizo> lolx
[08:50] <bigfoot1> that's a good question, i say, because japanese people use qwerty.
[08:50] <mae> anyone prefer epiphany to firefox? .. anyone notice it has a builtin totem plugin/
[08:50] <bigfoot1> and they are always so impressed with my touchtyping.
[08:50] <tigliona1bit> that is one beautiful keyboard
[08:51] <bigfoot1> when they type, japanese people look at the keyboard.
[08:51] <tigliona1bit> bigfoot1: I wouldn't say all of them do
[08:51] <hondje> they should use scim :)
[08:51] <tigliona1bit> but there is no reason for japanese people to use dvorak.  It's built for English
[08:51] <hondje> it's probably faster to type in romanji and let the computer put in the kana
[08:51] <bigfoot1> tigliona1bit, true.
[08:51] <tigliona1bit> hondje: that's how they do it
[08:51] <bigfoot1> hondje, how do you know about japanese script?
[08:52] <bigfoot1> you live(d) in japan?
[08:52] <hondje> No
[08:52] <hondje> I grew up mostly in Hawaii, though
[08:52] <tigliona1bit> I studied Japanese in high school for 4 years
[08:52] <hondje> So I took it in high school, etc
[08:52] <Derkommissar> Hawaii
[08:52] <hondje> mostly to learn more than just swear words and simple phrases
[08:52] <Derkommissar> :-)
[08:52] <bigfoot1> 
[08:52] <Derkommissar> see you guys later
[08:52] <tigliona1bit> hey, how'd you get that input method...
[08:52] <bigfoot1> by Derkommissar
[08:52] <bigfoot1> bye.
[08:52] <Derkommissar> thanks for everything
[08:53] <tiglionabbit> how do I add a keyboard layout...
[08:53] <Derkommissar> i like ubuntus hardware support
[08:53] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit, i installed uim.
[08:53] <hondje> 
[08:53] <tiglionabbit> I mean a japanese input method
[08:53] <tiglionabbit> oh
[08:53] <bigfoot1> 
[08:53] <Derkommissar> hondje, are those wierd japaneese character ?
[08:53] <hondje> yeah
[08:53] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit, yes, i have uim for japanese input method.
[08:53] <Derkommissar> how can you send them across IRC ?
[08:54] <bigfoot1> Derkommissar, it doesn't matter what medium you use.
[08:54] <Tomcat_> hondje: genki desu, arigatou :o
[08:54] <bigfoot1> it only matters what your computer can input and output.
[08:54] <Derkommissar> well it does, i would have to decode it
[08:54] <rob^> blah
[08:54] <hondje> http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/scim/
[08:54] <Derkommissar> the client i mean
[08:54] <hondje> that's a great guide for CJK
[08:54] <Derkommissar> the irc client
[08:54] <hondje> though I only use the J and the K
[08:54] <tiglionabbit> k so how do I use this?
[08:55] <bigfoot1> J and K: japanese and korean?
[08:55] <hondje> Derkommissar: all you need is to follow that magical link, and have UTF-8 selected in xchat
[08:55] <Derkommissar> bigfoot1, i have a lot of russian friends. when we chat online we use derogatives on ascii characters
[08:55] <hondje> bigfoot1: yeah
[08:55] <Derkommissar> dont you guys do the same ?
[08:55] <Derkommissar> cool
[08:55] <hondje> sudo sysctl -a -e | grep swapp
[08:55] <budluva> is anyone aware of some good ubuntu based howto's beside ubuntuguide.org?
[08:55] <hondje> bah!
[08:56] <bigfoot1> Derkommissar, yes,we can type japanese using the letters in the alphabet, yes.
[08:56] <hondje> budluva: tons in the forums
[08:56] <Derkommissar> like instead of the character, typing conitua. :)
[08:56] <Derkommissar> LOL cool
[08:56] <hondje> yeah
[08:56] <Derkommissar> i wanna lear japanese.
[08:56] <Derkommissar> learn
[08:56] <hondje> it takes phonetic input and spits out the japanese or korean
[08:56] <Tomcat_> budluva: Check out ubuntuforums.org, there are hundreds.
[08:56] <bigfoot1> Derkommissar, well, if you live for a few more decades, you won't have to.
[08:56] <hondje> now I don't even have the english/korean keyboard connected, it's slower
[08:56] <me> you guys ? anyone knows whats the deamon clipboard daemon ? i mean i can copy/paste right now without it... so what does it do ?
[08:56] <rob^> budluva, the best way is just to use Google to search the wiki wiki
[08:57] <Derkommissar> bigfoot1, why not ?
[08:57] <bigfoot1> i heard nanotech will make it unnecessary to learn new languages.
[08:57] <budluva> wiki wiki
[08:57] <Derkommissar> bigfoot1, japanese is cool.....
[08:57] <me> gnome clipboard daemon*
[08:57] <hondje> japanese irks me most of the time :)
[08:57] <bigfoot1> Derkommissar, why does the japanese language appeal to you?
[08:57] <rob^> there has been talk of a search facility on the wiki
[08:57] <bigfoot1> 
[08:57] <hondje> I like spanish though, much more room for expression
[08:57] <rob^> but yet, nothing has happened
[08:57] <Derkommissar> bigfoot1, wierd things of life
[08:58] <Derkommissar> hondje, im cuban, spanish is my first lenguage
[08:58] <Derkommissar> :-)
[08:58] <hondje> Then I'm sure you agree :D
[08:58] <budluva> which firewall package do you guys suggest? shorewall or firestarter or am i missing some?
[08:58] <Derkommissar> spanish is a beutirfull lenguage ( a lot of cultures take it for granted) and is very romantic lenguage
[08:59] <budluva> i've tried manually editing my iptables, but a firewall with a gui is more my type of thing :P
[08:59] <Derkommissar> but mandarine and japanese are cool.
[08:59] <hondje> budluva: I like firestarter
[08:59] <hondje> You can make some really nice rules easily with it
[08:59] <IceDC571> i love how linux doesnt need drivers to get the ipod working
[08:59] <hondje> guarddog is okay if you're huge into caring about what port does what
[09:00] <Derkommissar> IceDC571, IT DOESNT ?
[09:00] <IceDC571> as in windows you need to download 40mb of bloat
[09:00] <wizo> i love the multi desktop
[09:00] <IceDC571> Derkommissar: all you need is software
[09:00] <hondje> you have to download drivers for an ipod in windows?
[09:00] <Derkommissar> IceDC571, what cool software ?
[09:00] <Derkommissar> IceDC571, i orderd an IPOD, the new color one
[09:00] <tiglionabbit> dur, do I have to restart X for this scim thingy to work?
[09:00] <Derkommissar> i cant wait till i get it
[09:00] <IceDC571> Derkommissar: ahh, lucky you!
[09:00] <Derkommissar> :-)
[09:00] <IceDC571> ubuntu supports the ipod real nicely
[09:01] <Derkommissar> i was sad, since linux doesnt have itunes and things like that
[09:01] <hondje> tiglionabbit: I dunno, probably just gnome
[09:01] <tiglionabbit> Derkommissar: it has AmaroK and XMMS
[09:01] <IceDC571> well rhythmbox has ipod support
[09:01] <ukato> the ipod sucks anyway :P
[09:01] <hondje> I stick in mp3 players, and they automount
[09:01] <Derkommissar> CoOl
[09:01] <mifune> PSP is best!!!!
[09:01] <hondje> much nicer than before, where you'd have to tail your messages log and mess around for hours
[09:02] <Derkommissar> i started using ubuntu 3 days ago
[09:02] <IceDC571> yeah, everything before you had to mount manually and install crap for usb support
[09:02] <hondje> my mp3 player is just a glorified usb harddrive, so that one is easy
[09:02] <hondje> just needed to load the usb-storage module
[09:02] <ukato> mp3 players that function as jump drives kickass.
[09:02] <Derkommissar> i can tell you this... ubuntu has nice hardware support for laptops.... i like it better than suse and fedora.
[09:02] <hondje> plus it has a built in cardreader
[09:02] <ukato> hondje , what mp3 player do you have
[09:03] <hondje> it's an Archos Gmini 120
[09:03] <IceDC571> ubuntu is very very nice when it comes to automounting hardware and mp3 players
[09:03] <IceDC571> Derkommissar: download gtkpod and you're good to go for your ipod
[09:03] <tiglionabbit> ur...   so how does this input method thing work?
[09:04] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: yo?
[09:04] <Derkommissar> Cool
[09:04] <Derkommissar> see you guys later
[09:04] <hondje> http://reviews.cnet.com/Archos_Gmini_120__20GB_/4505-6490_7-30586666.html
[09:04] <Derkommissar> i will be getting my ipod in 2 weeks
[09:04] <hondje> thing weighs a ton, but it's made out of metal, which is damn nice for a klutz like me :)
[09:05] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit,  hi.
[09:05] <bigfoot1> just came back .
[09:05] <IceDC571> i actually like the ipod.. i dont know why so many people hate it
[09:05] <tiglionabbit> so how do I do the input method thing?
[09:05] <bigfoot1> um. actually, i don't remember how i got uim to work.
[09:05] <hondje> tiglionabbit: http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/scim/
[09:05] <bigfoot1> on my 3rd day of ubuntu, which was about 1.5 months ago, somebody on this chatroom guided me step by step.
[09:05] <bigfoot1> that's why i don't remember how i got it working.
[09:06] <bigfoot1> it's all a blur to me.
[09:06] <hondje> was probably me
[09:06] <IceDC571> lol
[09:06] <bigfoot1> hondje, oh was it you!
[09:06] <bigfoot1> ha ha.
[09:06] <hondje> :-)
[09:06] <bigfoot1> hisashiburi ne.
[09:06] <haffe> Hello. Could somebody helt me with this problem? When I do an upgrade in synaptic I get the following error. "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs-data_6.8.2-32_all.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb', which is also in package libx11-6
[09:06] <haffe> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libx11-6_10x1,6f5680000002fp-8776.2.1+cvs.20050615-3_i386.deb:  conflicting packages - not installing libx11-6
[09:06] <haffe> "
[09:06] <hondje> yeah, you were borking the cut and paste :)
[09:06] <bigfoot1> you're like my ubuntu daddy, then!
[09:06] <bigfoot1> hi, Papa.
[09:06] <IceDC571> haffe: paste in an appropriate place please
[09:07] <bigfoot1> do you remember a bigfoot asking for help with japanese text support.
[09:07] <bigfoot1> ?
[09:07] <bigfoot1> hondje, ?
[09:07] <jtan325> hi, can anyone help me with a python distutils question
[09:07] <hondje> yes
[09:07] <haffe> Ok http://pastebin.com/305338 <How do I remedy?
[09:07] <hondje> since you're doing the JET thing
[09:07] <jtan325> i am trying to build numarray 1.3.2 by hand
[09:07] <mifune> 
[09:07] <tiglionabbit> hondje: I see a lot of screenshots, but no explanation of how to even launch the program
[09:07] <wizo> lolx
[09:07] <bigfoot1>  you mean, i also told you i wasd doing the jet thing when i was asking for help with japanes text suppurt.
[09:07] <IceDC571> mifune: how can i see that? i dont have support for japanese fonts do i? wow i do
[09:07] <hondje> tiglionabbit: well, when you do all that stuff, just hit alt+space
[09:08] <hondje> yeah
[09:08] <hondje> it came up since I or someone wondered why
[09:08] <jtan325> and i do something like "python setup.py install"
[09:08] <mifune> i dunno im new at linux
[09:08] <hondje> Then we all got on the kancho-blog sidetrack
[09:08] <tiglionabbit> alt-space?  That just brings up the menu on the window I'm looking at
[09:08] <jtan325> but then as its running, it gets to distutils
[09:08] <bigfoot1> mifune. I always tell the kids in japan that  their beloved Pooh-san (what they call Winnie) has a funny name in japanese. 8-)
[09:08] <jtan325> and then crashes on a certain line in sysconfig.py
[09:09] <hondje> haha, pooh-san
[09:09] <tiglionabbit> so uh, what do I do?
[09:09] <IceDC571> anyone used foobar2000 before?
[09:09] <jtan325> "cc_cmd = cc + ' ' + opt "
[09:09] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit, try Preferences -->SCIM...
[09:09] <jtan325> complaining about TypeError
[09:09] <hondje> tiglionabbit: just follow the instructions, editing those files and stuff, then when it's running you hit alt+space, and type away
[09:09] <mifune> what the fuck is pooh-san!?
[09:09] <Amaranth> jtan325: That is at best a problem for #python.
[09:09] <bigfoot1> mifune, it's how they call "winnie the pooh"
[09:09] <hondje> Mr Pooh
[09:09] <hondje> lmao
[09:09] <tiglionabbit> hondje: I did that.  Alt-space is the command to display the menu on this window
[09:09] <mifune> winny?
[09:10] <mifune> p2p software?
[09:10] <tiglionabbit> hondje: what's it supposed to do?
[09:10] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit, try Preferences -->SCIM...
[09:10] <bigfoot1> then go to X-Window.
[09:10] <hondje> mifune: cartoon charactor
[09:10] <tiglionabbit> ah, thank you
[09:10] <bigfoot1> put a check on the "On the Spot"
[09:10] <hondje> pooh san likes honey
[09:10] <hondje> hunny
[09:11] <wizo> lol
[09:11] <bigfoot1> Make sure "Trigger" is set to Ctrl+Space.
[09:11] <wizo> hunny bunny
[09:11] <bigfoot1> hope this works.
[09:11] <hondje> My daughter loves pooh, makes me watch it daily
[09:11] <IceDC571> oh i watch pooh daily alright
[09:11] <hondje> heh
[09:11] <wizo> hondje, how old are u?
[09:12] <hondje> mid-20s
[09:12] <wizo> O.O
[09:12] <wizo> 25?
[09:12] <bigfoot1> speaking about pooh, am i the only one who sometimes eats in the bathroom?
[09:12] <hondje> yep
[09:12] <mifune> uim + anthy
[09:12] <IceDC571> well he said he had a daughter.. what do you expect? lol
[09:12] <hondje> bigfoot1: I hope so
[09:12] <wizo> lolx bigfoot1
[09:12] <bigfoot1> hondje doesn't give his exact age! ha.
[09:12] <tiglionabbit> grah, how do I select hirigana?
[09:12] <tiglionabbit> this has way too many options that aren't what I want
[09:12] <bigfoot1> yes, grab anthy, tiglionabbit
[09:12] <jtan325> Amaranth: thanks
[09:12] <wizo> i remembered wheni was young i ate a watermelon while chickign a crap
[09:12] <hondje> tiglionabbit: that's where the screenshots come in handy
[09:13] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit, you must turn off all the other languages
[09:13] <tiglionabbit> 
[09:13] <hondje> unless you WANT them
[09:13] <mifune> type CTRL + SPACE for hiragana
[09:13] <hondje> there we go :)
[09:13] <hondje> 
[09:13] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit. you did it.
[09:13] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit, can you type kanji?
[09:13] <tiglionabbit> whew, now if only I could remember some japanese to say
[09:13] <wizo> LOLX
[09:13] <Amaranth> and windows's lack of fonts for other languages
[09:13] <hondje> Amaranth: no xchat for windows? :o
[09:13] <bigfoot1> okay. what's Japan in japanese, tiglionabbit ?
[09:14] <IceDC571> if i can only read it
[09:14] <Amaranth> hondje: Uses too much RAM.
[09:14] <hondje> 
[09:14] <mifune> right
[09:14] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, is mirc a program for irc?
[09:14] <hondje> Amaranth: That's a shame
[09:14] <wizo> lolx
[09:14] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: A really crappy one that's only for Window.s
[09:14] <hondje> yeah, my brother has mirc
[09:14] <wizo> issint mirc mirc?
[09:14] <Amaranth> err, Windows.
[09:14] <wizo> i do as well
[09:14] <hondje> it's a pretty crappy looking client
[09:14] <Amaranth> wizo: mIRC is a client for accessing IRC networks.
[09:15] <wizo> yeh
[09:15] <wizo> i use that
[09:15] <Amaranth> when people call them mIRC networks I freak out
[09:15] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, well, we're now on the side with the greener grass. I don't think much about windows stuff now. 8-)
[09:15] <wizo> until i installed ubuntu
[09:15] <Triffid_Hunter> its alrite with a few hundred k of scripts.. kvirc is just as nice outta the box tho ;)
[09:15] <wizo> my friend says irssi or smth is good
[09:15] <IceDC571> no more searching for cracks and keygens!!
[09:15] <IceDC571> oops
[09:15] <hondje> irssi is nice
[09:15] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit, are you all set up with uim?
[09:15] <hondje> but I like clicking buttons
[09:15] <wizo> lol
[09:16] <toresbe> Irssi rocks.
[09:16] <Poromies> good morning all o/
[09:16] <Amaranth> Please don't talk about what you do in the bathroom anymore.
[09:16] <bigfoot1> turn off the other languages in Setup's "generic table".
[09:16] <tiglionabbit> 
[09:16] <tiglionabbit> gah, it comes out all garbled in my input, but then displays right
[09:16] <wizo> hahaa
[09:16] <tiglionabbit> things keep writing over themselves, and it looks really messy
[09:16] <wizo> i cant even see it
[09:16] <Amaranth> This is an English-only channel.
[09:16] <jago25_98> I can see it - looks pretty
[09:16] <w0wie> i just installed ubuntu and installed grub not to hda's mbr so it still auto boots into winblows. How can i load up ubuntu now <-- has no clue am new
[09:16] <hondje> tiglionabbit: go to x-chat -> server list -> edit
[09:16] <tiglionabbit> Amaranth: I know.  I was just getting help using the japanese IME
[09:16] <hondje> tiglionabbit: then pick UTF-8 for char set
[09:16] <tiglionabbit> hondje: I'm using irssi
[09:17] <tiglionabbit> it displays the characters, but the kerning is way off and they write over eachother
[09:17] <hondje> oh, didn't know irssi had magical kana powers
[09:17] <we2by> irssi sucks
[09:17] <yuacht> w0wie, try accessing the grub menu by rapidly clicking esc while you boot?
[09:17] <cyphase> Anyone know what the weis protocol is?
[09:17] <tiglionabbit> we2by: shut your mouth
[09:17] <we2by> :p
[09:17] <hondje> hey, it's the snoodaard we2by!
[09:17] <IceDC571> hmm... remember when ipv6 was popular?
[09:17] <w0wie> yuacht: now what are the other possebilities, cant there be a way to boot into ubuntu by the cd
[09:17] <hondje> ipv6 is silly
[09:17] <IceDC571> everyone wanted to switch to it immediately
[09:17] <Amaranth> IceDC571: haha, until people found out it doesn't help any
[09:18] <wizo> my laptop is pretty laggy now, wil it get better if i leave it on for a while
[09:18] <yuacht> w0wie, i suppose...
[09:18] <we2by> ipc6 is pain in the s to remember
[09:18] <wizo> and i cant turn my laptop off
[09:18] <we2by> ipv6*
[09:18] <hondje> My isp doesn't support it, so I can ignore it for now
[09:18] <bigfoot1> i have a confession to make: 2 days ago. i played video games from 2pm to 7am.
[09:18] <tiglionabbit> 
[09:18] <wizo> =s
[09:18] <mifune> lol
[09:18] <tiglionabbit> oops
[09:18] <yuacht> bigfoot1, shame on you
[09:18] <we2by> bigfoot1, I did that before
[09:19] <wizo> lolx
[09:19] <bigfoot1> i was wearing glasses at that time, but it seemed like i needed another pair!
[09:19] <hondje> I've gone on binges with my bzflag, but never more than like, 3 hours
[09:19] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: that's nothing.  One time I played videogames from 8am to 3pm the next day
[09:19] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: I played Continuum for nearly 24 hours once. :D
[09:19] <tiglionabbit> I mean 8pm
[09:19] <tiglionabbit> to 3pm
[09:19] <IceDC571> ive spent that much time staring at a terminal window
[09:19] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit, woweee!
[09:19] <wizo> freaks
[09:19] <hondje> The missus would be me senseless if I did that :)
[09:19] <bigfoot1> IceDC571, oh no.
[09:19] <bigfoot1> i gotta find a wife soon!
[09:20] <goliat> hello there
[09:20] <wizo> heh
[09:20] <wizo> how old is everyoen here
[09:20] <bigfoot1> you saying hi to me, goliat ?
[09:20] <IceDC571> back when i needed dependencies for everything and nothing compiled correctly
[09:20] <bigfoot1> are you looking for a husband?
[09:20] <goliat> hi to u and everybody aroung
[09:20] <wizo> lol
[09:20] <hondje> lol
[09:20] <goliat> *around
[09:20] <wizo> hello
[09:20] <IceDC571> hi
[09:20] <IceDC571> sorry, no porn here
[09:20] <we2by> a/s/l every one
[09:20] <we2by> ;)
[09:21] <bigfoot1> goliat, oh, i thought you were responding to my sigh of finding a wife.
[09:21] <bigfoot1> IceDC571, who you talking to?
[09:21] <IceDC571> bigfoot1: myself i think
[09:21] <wizo> schizephreniac
[09:21] <we2by> asl please
[09:21] <hondje> I do that a lot
[09:21] <hondje> Yes, sane topic
[09:21] <wizo> so, how old is everyone
[09:22] <hondje> Ah, I got one, figured out that ethereal thing
[09:22] <bigfoot1> we2by, why don't give us the honor of telling us your asl first?
[09:22] <goliat> :)
[09:22] <wizo> ok
[09:22] <wizo> 17+ m chi
[09:22] <wizo> studyign in monash uni if u really wanna kow
[09:22] <bigfoot1> okay, who's next?
[09:22] <wizo> issint introduction a sane topoc?
[09:22] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, how did you being channel operator?
[09:22] <hondje> someone had the package make the menu entry gksu -u root `which ethereal` instead of gksu -S `which ethereal`
[09:22] <hondje> silly
[09:22] <wizo> yeh true that
[09:22] <we2by> ok...
[09:23] <we2by> 20+ m EUrope
[09:23] <hondje> I bet he's dutch
[09:23] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: Except for weeks when I'm not home I'm here for about 12 hours a day. :)
[09:23] <we2by> hondje, hehe, nope. I'm not dutch
[09:23] <Amaranth> hondje: it should be gksudo
[09:23] <bigfoot1> why did you suddenly this status from ChanServ about 2 minutes ago?
[09:23] <goliat> guys is anyone of you involved in rootwar games ?
[09:23] <wizo> wads gksudo ?
[09:23] <hondje> Amaranth: oh, same thing in the end though, isn't it?
[09:23] <goliat> coz i need to know more about it
[09:23] <wizo> haha goliat i want to
[09:23] <bigfoot1> does that mean you're getting ready to kick some butts out of this room?
[09:24] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: I made ChanServ give me op.
[09:24] <wizo> go to roothack.com or roothack.org
[09:24] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: No, just nudging a little harder.
[09:24] <wizo> hmm ok
[09:24] <goliat> wizo goto newteam i just opened this channel well talk in details here so we wont bug others on the channel
[09:25] <hondje> I have ops in my chan, but no one goes there
[09:25] <wizo> not a lot of ppl
[09:25] <wizo> wads yur chan
[09:25] <wizo> pm me
[09:25] <hondje> #physics
[09:25] <IceDC571> yeah um.. i think you should PM that person instead of talking in here?
[09:25] <yuacht> can I use www.no-ip.org as a vhost for my bnc?
[09:25] <wizo> =x my bad
[09:25] <hondje> totally tangental to crucial ubuntu discussion though
[09:25] <Amaranth> Neither is ASL, thus the oppage. :)
[09:26] <we2by> hondje, u spammer! :P
[09:26] <wizo> ok fine
[09:26] <hondje> we2by: it's that hawaii thing
[09:26] <hondje> we just love the spam :)
[09:26] <wizo> lolx
[09:26] <we2by> :D
[09:26] <tiglionabbit> grr, how do I
[09:26] <wizo> they sell spam where i am
[09:26] <tiglionabbit> 
[09:26] <hondje> wow
[09:26] <wizo> they sell spam in cans!
[09:26] <hondje> tiglionabbit has gone to a new level
[09:26] <hondje> wizo: it's good, too
[09:26] <IceDC571> fix yourself
[09:26] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: Please stop that.
[09:26] <tiglionabbit> stop what?
[09:27] <wizo> the jap words
[09:27] <goliat> anyone interested in wargames or can give us some info about it around here ?
[09:27] <tiglionabbit> I didn't write that in japanese
[09:27] <tiglionabbit> I wrote it in english
[09:27] <hondje> goliat: what war games?
[09:27] <tiglionabbit> it's screwing up the kerning.  How do I make it type japanese characters correctly in xterm?
[09:27] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: You want uxterm.
[09:27] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit, you must select between half and full width characters.
[09:28] <goliat> hondje, rootwar games
[09:28] <wizo> hondje: wargames as in getting into boxes as a competition
[09:28] <hondje> oh, that sounds pretty boring
[09:28] <jseastuasn> yo what do i type to change a user's password?
[09:28] <goliat> its a kind of game where two teams fight one to secure a server the other to gain root access on it
[09:28] <Amaranth> jseastuasn: passwd <username>
[09:28] <tiglionabbit> 
[09:28] <visor> hi folks
[09:28] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: ...
[09:28] <jseastuasn> yo thanks man!!!!!!!
[09:28] <tiglionabbit> (there is no setting for that)
[09:28] <tiglionabbit> in anthy
[09:29] <visor> do you guys know how to change bright on a lap in XFree?
[09:29] <tiglionabbit> jseastuasn: sudo passwod theirusername
[09:29] <IceDC571> passwod?
[09:29] <tiglionabbit> I meand passwd
[09:29] <IceDC571> yeah
[09:30] <Amaranth> well, since we've all seem to have derained here: "I asked a flight attendant about this, and she explained that the ashtrays were left in place incase a smoker had a panic attack and needed to smoke while in flight."
[09:30] <tiglionabbit> 
[09:30] <Amaranth> err, derailed
[09:30] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: Last warning about that.
[09:30] <tiglionabbit> oops, that didn't go in katakana
[09:30] <tiglionabbit> Amaranth: I want to fix the kerning on this.  Could someone help me?
[09:30] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: Whatever you're doing, please stop. It looks like gibberish here.
[09:31] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, then get japanese text support. 8-)
[09:31] <visor> why is this guy writing in chinesse (or asian or whatever it is)?
[09:31] <tiglionabbit> Amaranth: it shouldn't.  Ubuntu is supposed to have support for these languages
[09:31] <tiglionabbit> Japanese
[09:31] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: Can you do it in a PM with someone who knows what's going on? This channel is supposed to be English only.
[09:31] <visor> oh great jap
[09:31] <hondje> +anese
[09:31] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: I'm on mIRC on Windows ME. I'm not at home.
[09:31] <tiglionabbit> Amaranth: I know that.  I'm not asking for help in Japanese.  (well actually I am, but only to test it).  Anyone know?  Used xterm in japanese?
[09:31] <bigfoot1> Amaranth, are you at work?
[09:32] <hondje> tiglionabbit: xterm sucks :)
[09:32] <tiglionabbit> hondje: what do you suggest I use, Eterm?
[09:32] <IceDC571> Amaranth: why dont you use xchat on windows?
[09:32] <hondje> I like gnome term, personally
[09:32] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: No, just away from home.
[09:32] <bigfoot1> okay.
[09:32] <Amaranth> IceDC571: uses too much RAM
[09:32] <IceDC571> i see
[09:32] <visor> so anyone with a hint on how to change brightness on X?
[09:32] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: uxterm
[09:32] <tiglionabbit> er, how do I use gnome term
[09:32] <hondje> but for a lighter terminal, rxvt or aterm is nice
[09:33] <hondje> tiglionabbit: are you in gnome?
[09:33] <tiglionabbit> yes
[09:33] <hondje> applications -> systemtools -> terminal
[09:33] <tiglionabbit> that's what I'm using
[09:33] <tiglionabbit> it's xterm
[09:33] <hondje> how odd
[09:34] <tiglionabbit> at least it sets $TERM to "xterm"
[09:34] <hondje> well, that doesn't mean you're using xterm :)
[09:34] <tiglionabbit> hmm, how do I make uxterm show that scim thing?  it's not popping up?
[09:34] <Amaranth> pretty sure that's gnome-terminal then
[09:34] <tiglionabbit> yes, it is
[09:34] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: in the terminal window hit Ctrl-Shift-T
[09:35] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: see if it does anything
[09:35] <tiglionabbit> yes, it makes a new tab.  It's gnome terminal.  sorry
[09:35] <Amaranth> ok
[09:35] <w0wie> i just installed ubuntu and installed grub not to hda's mbr so it still auto boots into winblows. How can i load up ubuntu now? <-- has no clue, I am new
[09:35] <tiglionabbit> anyways, xterm I can't even make that scim window show up
[09:35] <Amaranth> it shouldn't have any problems with japanese text then
[09:35] <tiglionabbit> Amaranth: but it does
[09:35] <IceDC571> w0wie: boot on a livecd and change the grub settings
[09:36] <tiglionabbit> I think it's irssi's fault
[09:36] <Tomcat_> w0wie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows/ <--- Applies to you too
[09:36] <w0wie> Tomcat_: cheers mate
[09:36] <tiglionabbit> because I can type the japanese at a normal prompt, but not in irssi
[09:36] <IceDC571> Tomcat_: wow, i'm impressed
[09:40] <me> the default ubuntu hoary install doesnt come with gcc ?
[09:40] <yuacht> me, nope
[09:40] <hondje> me: no, why would it?
[09:41] <me> weird.... so apt-get install gcc g++ correct ? i need to get the linker myself too ?
[09:41] <tiglionabbit> me: install `build-essential'
[09:41] <tiglionabbit> tis a metapackage for all the stuff you need
[09:41] <hondje> all the essentials to build stuff
[09:41] <hondje> :D
[09:41] <me> ah, good :)
[09:42] <jtan325> you know what i hate the most about ubuntu
[09:42] <Nermal> the users ?
[09:42] <jtan325> is that you have to freakin guess which packages are needed to install crap
[09:42] <Nermal> well .. not really..
[09:42] <jtan325> i just spent the past 4 hours figuring out why i couldn't build numarray by source
[09:42] <Nermal> synaptic will give you catergories
[09:42] <jtan325> well
[09:43] <jtan325> not if you want to upgrade numarray to 1.3.2
[09:43] <jtan325> that's in breezy
[09:43] <tiglionabbit> jtan325: search google and figure out what stuff does
[09:43] <jtan325> yeah
[09:43] <jtan325> i've been doing that
[09:43] <jtan325> i learned a bit though
[09:43] <tiglionabbit> jtan325: besides, there are extended descriptions of things in synaptic
[09:43] <jtan325> but freakin a
[09:43] <Nermal> jtan325, that's just lack of experience
[09:43] <Amaranth> jtan325: That's why package management systems were built.
[09:44] <Nermal> after a while you get to read the errors and install the right packages
[09:44] <Nermal> or you just visit the homepage and see what it needs
[09:44] <Amaranth> jtan325: Because without them you have to guess at dependencies, install them yourself, and try again.
[09:44] <jtan325> i was getting a python build error though
[09:44] <jtan325> it never said anything about needing python2.4-dev
[09:44] <jtan325> although i should've figured that might be important
[09:44] <jtan325> "static headers" haha
[09:45] <jtan325> oh man
[09:45] <jtan325> what a journey
[09:46] <jtan325> any of you guys know what the /opt folder is for
[09:46] <hondje> yes, I do
[09:46] <hondje> it's for 'stuff'
[09:46] <jtan325> does it stand for "optional" or something
[09:46] <jtan325> becaue ubuntu wiki says to install eclipse there
[09:46] <jtan325> i did
[09:46] <jago25_98> How do I get /usr/src/linux/.config to match the Ubuntu kernel?
[09:46] <jtan325> but then i had to change its permissions to a+w
[09:46] <Nermal> things like realplayer / vmware / etc
[09:46] <Cthulhu> jtan325, http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#OPTADDONAPPLICATIONSOFTWAREPACKAGES
[09:46] <hondje> "/opt is reserved for the installation of add-on application software packages." speaks the FHS
[09:47] <jtan325> ah
[09:47] <jtan325> thank you
[09:47] <hondje> http://www.pathname.com/fhs/
[09:47] <jago25_98>  /opt is where messy stuff goes basically
[09:48] <hondje> them thars the official standard
[09:48] <jtan325> how come when i install new stuff through synaptic it doesn't go there then
[09:48] <hondje> no, it's not supposed to
[09:48] <jtan325> i usually find it in /usr/bin or /usr/lib or /usr/share
[09:48] <marcin_ant> hi all
[09:48] <hondje>  /opt is basically for stuff you don't use your pkg manager for
[09:48] <jtan325> ah i see
[09:48] <jtan325> cool
[09:48] <marcin_ant> I got a question about wireless networking
[09:49] <hondje> read over the summaries in that link I gave you
[09:49] <jtan325> yeah this is a good site
[09:49] <jtan325> thanks
[09:49] <jago25_98> jtan325: because synaptic isn't messy - stuff through that is managed. some stuff does go in /opt , but that's a bodge/kludge
[09:49] <hondje> they explain it pretty well, in two minutes of reading :)
[09:49] <hondje> no problem
[09:49] <Brydenn[WU] > how do i install a FireFox theme?
[09:49] <jtan325> i hope they come out with a native eclipse soon
[09:49] <jtan325> um
[09:49] <Brydenn[WU] > i have the theme in a folder... just dunno how to get firefox to see it
[09:49] <marcin_ant> I got a customer which is pretty new to linux and I installed "kubuntu" for him
[09:49] <nikkia> the whole point of eclipse is portability
[09:49] <marcin_ant> and this guy has laptop with ethernet connection and wifi card
[09:49] <Burgundavia> jtan325, eclipse will be in breezy
[09:50] <anatole> re
[09:50] <marcin_ant> when he is at home he uses ethernet while when at work he uses wifi
[09:50] <jtan325> yeah but then why is there native eclipse for fc4
[09:50] <jtan325> which i use at home
[09:50] <anatole> i'm having the strange feeling that i'm doing something really wrong when updating the kernel
[09:50] <nikkia> jtan, it might be packaged, but its not 'native'
[09:50] <anatole> during the boot this morning i had a kernel panic :D
[09:50] <jago25_98> I expect you might be able to get the .deb of eclipse manually from debian or ubuntu breezy and use that
[09:50] <marcin_ant> question is how to configure eth0 and wifi connection to swich automatically
[09:50] <jtan325> oh i already installed it
[09:50] <jtan325> i just followed the steps on the ubuntu wiki
[09:51] <jtan325> but i was just wondering
[09:51] <marcin_ant> I mean to use eth0 when available and switch to wifi automatically when eth is unplugged?
[09:51] <jtan325> i decided to go full-blown linux this week, installing ubuntu at work and fc4 at home
[09:51] <nikkia> jtan, tbh, i'm not happy with packaged versions of apps that auto-install stuff
[09:51] <jago25_98> Brydenn[WU] : firefox > tools > themes
[09:51] <anatole> and then (after rescue mode and running lilo) ubuntu checked one of my partitions for more than 5 minutes
[09:52] <jtan325> does anyone run breezy
[09:52] <djp> hi. i used the export EDITOR=blah, blah command yesterday to change my default command line editor. it worked fine. however after closing down my pc and restarting it this morning, the editor has reverted back to the original default editor used under gnome/ubuntu? i would like to make the editor change and be permanent.
[09:52] <hondje> nikkia: maybe slack is the distro for you then, they keep it pretty much in your hands
[09:52] <nikkia> jtan, eclipse and azureus are prime examples of apps that by their nature break the concept of packaging, they both install/upgrade themselves, and maintaining a package registry is near impossible, since the system can't easily tell if you've updated them
[09:52] <jtan325> djp: edit your ~/.bashrc file
[09:52] <jtan325> and stick your aliases and whatnot there
[09:52] <jtan325> NOT your .bash_profile
[09:52] <jtan325> export only does it for your login session, as you have learned
[09:52] <ernstp> hi all
[09:53] <djp> jtan325: excellent . thanks. what command should i add?
[09:53] <ernstp> i have a problem with startup mounting
[09:53] <jtan325> um
[09:53] <jtan325> just the commands you want
[09:53] <anatole> how can i have ubuntu to run a command (and not a program) at startup?
[09:53] <jago25_98> jtan325: what the diff between profile and bashrc?
[09:53] <yuacht> ernstp, what problem is that?
[09:53] <djp> jtan325: is it just EDITOR=editorname
[09:53] <jtan325> no
[09:53] <ernstp> ubuntu says /dev/hdc* doesn't exist at start (/dev/sda is my start device)
[09:53] <jtan325> export EDITOR=editorname
[09:53] <Poromies> jtan325: i tried breezy out, and found it to be very unstable and to have very limited packages available (64bit).. so im back with hoary, though im running on breezy kernell 2.6.12-3
[09:54] <hondje> ?
[09:54] <yuacht> ernstp, i have that problem too. just do sudo mount -a when you enter gnome, isn't that much of a hazzle
[09:54] <hondje> What's $EDITOR for?
[09:54] <jtan325> jago25_98, the profile is only "activated" when you login
[09:54] <djp> jtan325: ok thanks. do i put that command at the end of the bashrc file?
[09:54] <ernstp> I have the necessary modules in /etc/modules and the devices show up after boot
[09:54] <jtan325> sure
[09:54] <jtan325> jago25_98, when you login through the shell
[09:54] <jtan325> .bashrc is done when you login through the pretty login screen
[09:54] <djp> jtan325: cheers for your advice
[09:54] <yuacht> ernstp, you can even do a startup script that gnome exec
[09:55] <hondje> what would you want $EDITOR for?
[09:55] <ernstp> yuacht, aaah, I think it's MUCH hazzle :-)
[09:55] <jtan325> it sets the default editor right
[09:55] <jtan325> i think its vim by default
[09:55] <yuacht> ernstp, =)
[09:55] <jtan325> i like emacs
[09:55] <jtan325> so that's what i do
[09:55] <ratl3> jtan325: emacs sucks
[09:55] <ernstp> yuacht, I could. but it needs root. got my mp3's there, and like to save rhythmbox in my session
[09:55] <hondje> There's no default
[09:55] <jtan325> well
[09:55] <hondje> I don't get it....emacs <foo> doesn't work?
[09:55] <jtan325> if you did something like "cvs commit XXX.txt"
[09:56] <djp> jtan325: emacs, that is the editor i want to use as default!
[09:56] <nikkia> jtan325: isn't the default 'EDITOR' nano ?
[09:56] <hondje> oooooh
[09:56] <ernstp> yuacht, guessing you're running breezy
[09:56] <jtan325> it would have to popup some editor so you would add the message comment
[09:56] <djp> nikkia: i think it is
[09:56] <yuacht> ernstp, nopes, hoary
[09:56] <jtan325> ratl3, what's wrong with emacs
[09:56] <jtan325> i am going to try learning vim soon
[09:56] <Brydenn[WU] > jago25_98:  i dont see any tools > themes anywhere in the firefox dir
[09:56] <nikkia> i hate nano, reminds me too much of 1995 and using pine religiously :)
[09:56] <jtan325> but that's what i got started with in school
[09:57] <nikkia> emacs is great, but, its not suitable for casual editing, if you need an editor you start when you login, and it stays running til you logout, emacs is perfect ;)
[09:57] <jtan325> anyway i am going to go home, finally got this problem fixed at work
[09:57] <ernstp> yuacht, really? worked nice in hoary for me
[09:57] <ratl3> jtan325: nothing, i just learned vim first
[09:57] <jtan325> later all
[09:57] <ratl3> jtan325: so, it sucks
[09:57] <nikkia> starting emacs, making a 1 line edit, quitting emacs, isn't efficient :)
[09:57] <jtan325> haha ratl3
[09:57] <ernstp> yuacht, have you written a bug for it?
[09:58] <yuacht> ernstp, i think it loads my sata module after it loads fstab by some reason
[09:59] <jago25_98> Brydenn[WU] : I mean in firefox itself. Are you installing from .tar.gz instead of .xpi?
[09:59] <lei-> how do you mount ntfs partitions?
[10:00] <nikkia> the only thing i hate about emacs, is the fact that the one decent refactoring package is commercial :(
[10:00] <ratl3> fdisk
[10:00] <ernstp> yuacht, yeah, something like that. it loads my ide module after fstab
[10:00] <djp> jtan325: what is the command to prevent emacs opeining in window mode? i thought it was the -nw switch?
[10:00] <nikkia> djp, yep, that's it
[10:01] <djp> ok. i enter export EDITOR=emacs -nw but the bash prompt tells we -nw is not a know command?
[10:01] <jago25_98> lei-: `fdisk -l`, then mkdir /mnt/ntfs (for example) and mount /dev/whatEver /mnt/ntfs as root, or put it in /etc/fstab
[10:01] <nikkia> djp, put quotes around it
[10:01] <nikkia> ie, EDITOR="emacs -nw"
[10:01] <djp> nikkia: oops... thanks
[10:01] <nikkia> djp, when you do VAR=something blah  it tries to run blah with VAR set to 'something'
[10:02] <Brudc> hi
[10:02] <nikkia> djp, its a useful trick when you want to run one command with different settings
[10:02] <Brudc> I just installed ubuntu and faced problems :(
[10:02] <djp> nikkia: thanks
[10:02] <xliu> hi , how to disable the updater at startup, i can not find its entry in Bootup Manager
[10:02] <nikkia> djp, if you run emacs a lot....
[10:03] <Brudc> I changed the ersolution to 600X800 and now i cant see anything, mixed stripes
[10:03] <lei-> jago25_98, it's hdd1 and i have it mounted to /mnt/hdd1 but the permissions are messed up
[10:03] <Nermal> Brudc, run sudo xorgconfig ?
[10:03] <nikkia> djp, consider putting server-start  in your .emacs   and setting EDITOR to emacs-client
[10:03] <nikkia> djp, then you can start a single emacs session (GUI if you like) and have things send the file to emacs to edit
[10:03] <Brudc> how can I change the resolution back to 1024X768 from shell ?
[10:04] <Brudc> ok
[10:04] <Brudc> now i am in the gnome hjow can i go out to shell using hot keys
[10:04] <Nermal> Brudc, cntrl-alt-f2 -> f6
[10:04] <Brudc> ok
[10:05] <QMario> Is there a GUI version of linuxtrade?
[10:09] <jago25_98> QMario: it was based on a java program. I notice linuxtrade is now defunct "PROJECT STATUS:	DISCONTINUED"
[10:09] <ernstp> yuacht, can't really find a bug about this in ubuntu's bugzilla
[10:09] <ernstp> we should file one
[10:09] <QMario> Oh, okay. Thank You! :)
[10:17] <yuacht> ernstp, yes
[10:18] <xliu> where is the configuration file listing startup applications?
[10:18] <Brudc> man this didnt work
[10:18] <Brudc> I cant see anything in gnome
[10:18] <Brudc> the 600X800 resolution dumped my screen
[10:18] <Brudc> i want it back to the default
[10:18] <Brudc> ok tell me
[10:19] <Brudc> what is the root pass!! the isntaller did not ask me for a root pass
[10:19] <yuacht> Brudc, there's no root
[10:19] <yuacht> Brudc, use sudo
[10:20] <Brudc> what
[10:20] <Brudc> thereis no root!!!!!!!
[10:20] <Brudc> how come
[10:20] <yuacht> use sudo
[10:20] <yuacht> it's a security matter
[10:20] <Brudc> ok i wana create a new user
[10:21] <Brudc> with full adminstration from shell
[10:21] <yuacht> System -> Administration -> Users & Groups
[10:21] <Brudc> su newuser ?
[10:22] <tiglionabbit> Brudc: you don't want to do that
[10:22] <tiglionabbit> to make a root shell, just go to applications -> system tools -> root terminal, or say sudo -s or sudo -i
[10:23] <budluva> is it possible for me to stream or play mp3s on my windows machine, from my ubuntu box? i have a 200 gig hdd with my mp3s on it in my ubuntu machine, and instead of manually copying files over the network to listen to them
[10:23] <Brudc> ok
[10:24] <yuacht> budluva, yes
[10:24] <Adross> can anyone recommend some good podcast software?
[10:24] <budluva> yuacht, how can i do that?
[10:24] <jago25_98> budluva: or use filesharing
[10:24] <yuacht> budluva, gnump3d
[10:25] <jago25_98> How do I get /usr/src/linux/.config to match the Ubuntu kernel?
[10:25] <budluva> but i dont really want to stream them using up bandwidth, i just want to be able to play them on my windows machine
[10:25] <budluva> i dont want to stream publicly
[10:25] <yuacht> try samba
[10:28] <jago25_98> budluva: have a look at http://www.gnu.org/software/gnump3d/screenshots.html too - another option for you
[10:29] <yuacht> jago25_98, /path/to/original/ubuntu/kernel/arch/yourarch/defconfig
[10:29] <yuacht> i think
[10:30] <jago25_98> yuacht: I got it! /boot/config -> /usr/src/.config
[10:31] <yuacht> okey ;)
[10:31] <jo> jago25_98 what the line for cp bzimage wwen you do the kernel/
[10:32] <jago25_98> jo: ?
[10:32] <jo> you dit niuw kernel
[10:32] <jo> ?
[10:32] <Leo_V2> hi
[10:32] <yuacht> Leo_V2, hello
[10:32] <Leo_V2> hi
[10:33] <Leo_V2> just a Quick Q
[10:33] <yuacht> go ahead
[10:33] <jago25_98> jo: I can't seem to understand you. Are you English speaking?
[10:33] <swarm> there is something wrong with automatic configuration of libapache-mod-python.
[10:33] <Leo_V2> the Live CD include software for the Ubuntu OS rite?
[10:33] <Nermal> right*
[10:34] <Leo_V2> can i install extra software?
[10:34] <Nermal> livecd is non installable
[10:34] <yuacht> no
[10:34] <Leo_V2> ic
[10:34] <Leo_V2> cool
[10:34] <Leo_V2> live cd just need to  be pop in to my comP?
[10:34] <macintoshr> ok my plan
[10:34] <Leo_V2> and no install?
[10:34] <yuacht> Leo_V2, indeed
[10:34] <macintoshr> yeah leo_v2
[10:34] <Leo_V2> cool
[10:34] <macintoshr> exactly
[10:35] <Leo_V2> i am going to order the CD..
[10:35] <Leo_V2> :P
[10:35] <Leo_V2> just too great
[10:35] <yuacht> why not dl?
[10:35] <Leo_V2> i got no burner..
[10:35] <yuacht> kk
[10:35] <Leo_V2> i would..
[10:35] <Leo_V2> if i ogt few hundered bucks
[10:35] <Leo_V2> *got
[10:36] <me> for some reason XMMS doesnt work, all the other music players work (totem, rythmbox) - any ideas ? (it just doesnt play a song when i press play)
[10:36] <yuacht> me, check what driver ur using
[10:36] <me> yuacht, its fine
[10:36] <yuacht> start it via console and see if you get any errors
[10:36] <timeless> is there some magical incantation to cause a package in ubuntu to have symols?
[10:36] <timeless> err symbols
[10:37] <macintoshr> phase 1 was putting the "Designed for <various linux distros, including ubuntu>" stickers over the "Designed for Windows XP" stickers on the school comps. Phase 2 was then putting large "Designed for Windows XP" stickers on the rubish bins. Of 128 stickers printed, 56 made it to computers. Of the 18 Windows stickers printed, 17 made their way to bins. Total success rate was about 50% but now we have a lot of linux wannabees for some reas
[10:37] <macintoshr> on :D
[10:37] <macintoshr> hows that...
[10:37] <me> yuacht, i did, it doesnt :(
[10:37] <yuacht> macintoshr, haha cool, i wanna do that too!
[10:37] <Leo_V2> btw how much ram is needed for Ubuntu OS live cd?
[10:38] <macintoshr> me and 6 friends did it today
[10:38] <macintoshr> it was kind of fun
[10:38] <macintoshr> leo_v2, 256MB or greater i guess
[10:38] <macintoshr> for decent performance
[10:38] <Leo_V2> 256..
[10:39] <macintoshr> you have 256?
[10:39] <Leo_V2> ya
[10:39] <Leo_V2> i got 1 GB..
[10:39] <me> macintoshr, i want a linux sticker for my new laptop instead of the designed for windoze stuff, where can i get one ?
[10:39] <Leo_V2> i worry the GUI will eat too much space
[10:39] <Leo_V2> >.<
[10:39] <ray_> what GUI
[10:39] <ray_> ?
[10:39] <macintoshr> i dont know where you can get one, me
[10:39] <macintoshr> i made my own
[10:39] <ray_> use icewm
[10:39] <me> macintoshr, ah :
[10:39] <Leo_V2> Graphical user interface
[10:39] <Leo_V2> GU|
[10:39] <highvoltage> xfce! xfce!
[10:40] <macintoshr> just buy some sticky paper from officeworks or likewise
[10:40] <macintoshr> and print your own
[10:40] <ray_> well i know what gui is
[10:40] <macintoshr> easy and cheap
[10:40] <Leo_V2> is there a specfic pic for those linuz stickers?
[10:41] <Leo_V2> i hate designing my own
[10:41] <Leo_V2> i do crappy stuff
[10:41] <Leo_V2> >_>
[10:41] <timeless> how does one get debugging symbols for a ubuntu package?
[10:42] <jago25_98> timeless: use the source. I expect binaries with debug aren't available
[10:43] <timeless> jago25_98: alternatively
[10:43] <timeless> one of your ubunutu users is reporting a crash upstream
[10:43] <timeless> and has no useful infortmation
[10:43] <Leo_V2> is there a GUI for the Live cd?
[10:43] <timeless> can i just tell the user to use ubuntu's bug reporting system instead?
[10:43] <Cthulhu> jabra, sometimes there are package-dbg packages and they have debug symbols.. but if there isn't any that you have to compile from source
[10:43] <Leo_V2> i am so worried..
[10:43] <Cthulhu> heh.. s/jabra/timeless/
[10:44] <jago25_98> timeless: -vvv / -v and run from a terminal window maybe, whats the prog?
[10:44] <Amaranth> Leo_V2: Yes.
[10:44] <timeless> firefox
[10:44] <Leo_V2> btw
[10:45] <Leo_V2> why there is no proper FAQ for Ubuntu?
[10:45] <Leo_V2> the webby is so confusing
[10:45] <Amaranth> err
[10:45] <Amaranth> the ubuntu website is full of information
[10:45] <Leo_V2> :\
[10:45] <Amaranth> in the wiki and the formal documentation
[10:46] <Leo_V2> we should be a total noob guide
[10:46] <Leo_V2> *we should have
[10:46] <Leo_V2> much better
[10:46] <jago25_98> timeless: personally I can't see a way around it without changing the program being run, like upgrading firefox. see what the #mozilla guys say
[10:46] <Amaranth> http://ubuntuguide.org ?
[10:46] <jago25_98> ubuntuguide.org needs to be advertised! (/me sees if I can fix)
[10:47] <timeless> some systems have stripped symbols that can be added back later, and similar things
[10:47] <djp> does anyone know what ubuntusetup.sh is for? the reason i ask is that on the forum it says that if your run ubuntusetup.sh, you will be able to playback .3gp files in totem? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44129&highlight=3gp
[10:48] <Amaranth> jago25_98: Well it's completely unofficial and has/had some major problems, but I think the documentation team is working with the author.
[10:48] <Amaranth> timeless: You mean -dbg packages?
[10:48] <timeless> yes
[10:49] <timeless> well, probably :)
[10:49] <Leo_V2> i am so bored
[10:49] <Leo_V2> >.<
[10:49] <Amaranth> timeless: Well, that should answer your question. :)
[10:49] <jago25_98> timeless: I'm gonna try to find the ubuntu package page for mozilla and have a look there
[10:49] <timeless> jago: thanks
[10:49] <Amaranth> timeless: You probably want firefox-dbg if it exists
[10:51] <jago25_98> timeless: maybe http://packages.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefox_1.0.2-0ubuntu5.3/changelog says
[10:51] <timeless> #
[10:51] <timeless> # debian/rules: Added a debug option to DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS. If you want to build a fully gdb'able package, use DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="noopt nostrip debug"
[10:51] <timeless> hrm
[10:52] <timeless> so what would i tell this ubuntu user to do?
[10:52] <Amaranth> that shouldn't be needed
[10:52] <jago25_98> timeless: I'd just get them to up/downgrade, use konqueror as well, uninstall all extentions and settings (rm ~/.mozilla)
[10:53] <timeless> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=299177#c3
[10:53] <Amaranth> wow, that is needed
[10:53] <timeless> i just want a normal gdb stack trace, or reasonable support for asking the user to use ubuntu's bug database if the user persists in not getting good symbols
[10:54] <timeless> Amaranth: anyway, it doesn't mean anything to me, and i'm sure i wouldn't be able to just suggest that string to this user and have the right thing happen :)
[10:54] <Amaranth> you'll have to get the user to run export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="noopt nostrip debug" then sudo apt-get -b source mozilla-firefox
[10:55] <djp> does anyone know what ubuntusetup.sh is for? the reason i ask is that on the forum it says that if your run ubuntusetup.sh, you will be able to playback .3gp files in totem? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44129&highlight=3gp
[10:55] <Amaranth> and then tell them to come back in a day or however long it takes for firefox to compile these days
[10:55] <timeless> heh
[10:55] <Amaranth> djp: It just automates installing a bunch of stuff for you
[10:55] <timeless> p4/.5gb ram, he could do it in <3hrs
[10:56] <timeless> assuming the user hasn't picked a different shell...
[10:56] <Amaranth> if he knows how to use bugzilla export and apt-get shouldn't scare him
[10:56] <timeless> which flavor of limit/ulimit/blah
[10:56] <timeless> would result in core files?
[10:57] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[10:57] <djp> Amaranth: so by running it, there is no way it would miraculously enable totem-gstreamer to playback .3gp files, would it?!
[10:57] <k31th> Watsup!
[10:57] <timeless> amaranth: heh, unfortunately my perspective is a lot more people can make useless reports to bugzilla than understand how to give me anything useful
[10:57] <jago25_98> timeless: I feel it's better to only use bug database when you are sure it is a bug in the _latest_, vanilla, firefox
[10:57] <Amaranth> djp: It could install something that would make that work/
[10:57] <Amaranth> timeless: heh, i've seen it
[10:58] <Amaranth> timeless: I get so many 'my menu broke' bugs with little to no more info :/
[10:58] <timeless> jago: yeah, problem is we've already had two guys check normal firefox's and conclude it doesn't happen there
[10:58] <Amaranth> it didn't happen with ubuntu's 1.0.2 or their 1.0.4 for me
[10:58] <k31th> hello
[10:58] <Amaranth> so if he can't give more info mark it WFM, i guess
[10:58] <timeless> i presume ulimit -c unlimited will do what i want
[10:59] <jago25_98> timeless: yes
[10:59] <k31th> i got like 50 ubuntu cds thru this morning
[10:59] <djp> Amaranth: ok, thanks
[10:59] <k31th> shall be handing them out
[10:59] <timeless> um
[10:59] <timeless> stupid question...
[10:59] <Amaranth> k31th: rock!
[10:59] <k31th> how the hell can ubuntu afford to hand them out like that?
[10:59] <Amaranth> Smeggy!
[10:59] <timeless> is the |firefox| script customized by ubuntu/debian?
[10:59] <Amaranth> That's the guy I named Smeg after. :)
[10:59] <Amaranth> I didn't know he came here.
[10:59] <timeless> the normal mozilla.org ff script supports ./firefox -g
[10:59] <smack> shuttleworth is rich he founded thawt.
[10:59] <k31th> ?
[11:00] <timeless> which dumps you into a debugger (gdb/ddd/...)
[11:00] <k31th> who
[11:00] <smack> mark shuttleworth the guy sponsoring the whole ubuntu thing.
[11:00] <k31th> you call me smeg
[11:00] <Amaranth> timeless: hrm, i dunno
[11:00] <Amaranth> k31th: No, I was talking about the guy that just quit.
[11:00] <k31th> why does windows suck
[11:00] <IceDC571> lol
[11:00] <IceDC571> windows sucks
[11:00] <k31th> so damn hard
[11:01] <timeless> k31th: otherwise things like ubuntu wouldn't have a chance :)
[11:01] <timeless> ;b
[11:01] <Amaranth> timeless: I guess TIAS, otherwise get the source package and look at the debian/patches dir
[11:01] <IceDC571> i hate this M$ mouse it doesnt work half of the time
[11:01] <timeless> tias?
[11:01] <timeless> oh
[11:01] <Amaranth> timeless: Try It And See
[11:01] <k31th> i actually find it to be alot more stable..... than my sanwhich toaster firmware
[11:01] <timeless> try it and see
[11:01] <k31th> sandwich
[11:01] <Amaranth> timeless: Also, you might have more luck asking in #ubuntu-devel
[11:01] <timeless> yeah...um, i'm short one ubuntu box :)
[11:01] <IceDC571> is it that hard to type it out?
[11:02] <timeless> Amaranth: oh right
[11:02] <timeless> btw thanks all
[11:02] <Amaranth> heh
[11:02] <k31th> humm i am using fat32 so i guess i could use a small 5 gig partition for ubuntu
[11:02] <k31th> or i could repartition
[11:03] <Amaranth> Ubuntu has about 30 channels, I bet
[11:03] <timeless> (yes, i could and should have searched the web site)
[11:03] <Amaranth> #ubuntu-devel isn't something they talk about on the website
[11:03] <Amaranth> otherwise people would automatically go there and ask user questions
[11:03] <timeless> or not :)
[11:03] <Amaranth> like how people ask user questions on -devel mailing lists
[11:03] <timeless> yeah #mozilla had that problem
[11:03] <k31th> i got to stop ebaying
[11:03] <Brudc> .l
[11:03] <k31th> or at least sell some stuff on there
[11:03] <jago25_98> timeless: Thinking about bug reports... hmm. As a non-developer I'm guessing it's a bit of a mess. I had some broken RAM a while ago, and I bet you nobody checks for that, for example. Then you got filesystem corruption and other wierd stuff. I know  ~/.mozilla messes things up for me. It might even be a ssl lib and nothing to do with mozilla maybe. Could it be a specific SSL cert? It would be nice to think you could
[11:03] <jago25_98> get this guy to do all this but I don't know enough about your relationship to him. Why not just talk through the basic process and try to instill a sense of `be careful with bug submit`
[11:04] <k31th> FUCK
[11:04] <timeless> he claims "all"
[11:04] <timeless> but lists <none>
[11:04] <k31th> i just got 240 volts electric shock
[11:04] <timeless> actually, he listed one
[11:04] <jago25_98> k31th is now a true geek
[11:05] <timeless> mozilla for the most part uses its own ssl libs
[11:05] <timeless> so it'd take significant effort for him to corrupt that
[11:05] <Amaranth> k31th: It's the amps that kill
[11:05] <k31th> yeah well thats 240 straight off the mains
[11:05] <k31th> in the UK
[11:05] <timeless> jago: unfortunately my time is really limited to when i'm amazingly distracted
[11:06] <Amaranth> k31th: Hold bar phone wires in your hand when the phone rings
[11:06] <timeless> i have no relation to him, i get hundreds of bugmails a day and randomly choose some to poke
[11:06] <Amaranth> err, bare
[11:06] <jago25_98> timeless: I see, you're trying to do a bug report properly. It's a big subject the more you think about it. Is it mozilla, is it firefox, is it ubuntu and so forth
[11:06] <timeless> yeah, big mess
[11:06] <Amaranth> is it gecko, is it firefox, is it ubuntu, is it this guy, is it just totally random?
[11:07] <timeless> in this case, i think i wish the reporter had reported his bug to ubunutu instead
[11:07] <jago25_98> :D
[11:07] <timeless> so i take it none of you have firefox handy?
[11:08] <macintoshr> k31th, how did that happen?
[11:08] <IceDC571> i hate how theres no itunes on linux
[11:08] <Amaranth> and when i am i'm using breezy so i have 1.0.4
[11:08] <jago25_98> timeless: I got it handy (1.0.2)
[11:08] <timeless> jago: try running ./firefox -g
[11:08] <macintoshr> does it work under wine, IceDC571?
[11:08] <Amaranth> timeless: heh, stuck on windows or choose it?
[11:08] <timeless> if you get ddd or gdb that's all i need to know
[11:08] <macintoshr> i hate it to and im mainly a mac user
[11:08] <timeless> (just quit no matter what)
[11:08] <macintoshr> apple should really do a linux version
[11:08] <timeless> amaranth: i have a nice mac at home teasing me
[11:08] <IceDC571> macintoshr: nah.. i think like a very old version barely works on it
[11:09] <timeless> saying "it's 2am, come home, use me"
[11:09] <jago25_98> timeless: yep :) gdb comes up
[11:09] <timeless> jago: perfect
[11:09] <timeless> thanks
[11:09] <k31th> macintoshr: from a hd caddy
[11:09] <IceDC571> i want a G5
[11:09] <k31th> i must of touched the power cables on the switch caddy has a 240 volts supply
[11:10] <IceDC571> i have to get a mac before the intel versions start shipping out
[11:10] <jo> i have amd64
[11:10] <jo> like it
[11:10] <jago25_98> IceDC571: I always liked the PPC alternative. What are the arguments in favour?
[11:11] <Amaranth> timeless: You have a Mac? That's a unix system. :)
[11:11] <jo> the 55
[11:11] <timeless> Amaranth: it's at home
[11:11] <Amaranth> oh
[11:11] <timeless> normally i can reach it, but at present it's hiding its ip from me
[11:11] <Amaranth> i might actually buy one
[11:11] <Amaranth> err, intel CPUs
[11:11] <timeless> oops
[11:11] <Amaranth> that sentence needs work, it's 4am
[11:11] <IceDC571> i think they might be flakey when they first start the transition
[11:12] <IceDC571> then there will be wine for OSX
[11:12] <timeless> Welcome to Darwin!
[11:12] <timeless> doppler:~ timeless$
[11:12] <jago25_98> timeless: check http://www.testing.com/writings/classic/checklist.html , interesting
[11:12] <timeless> ok, it didn't do a good enough job hiding
[11:12] <selinium> Hi Seveas, thanks for helping with my cdrom prob the other day.
[11:13] <selinium> hi all, what is the command line to add a group to a user?
[11:13] <eni> I have problems with sshd, it runs on ipv6 and people cant log on to it. How can i make it run on ipv4? tcp6       0      0 *:ssh                   *:*                     LISTEN
[11:13] <budluva1> anyone here familiar with ubuntu/gnump3d?
[11:13] <miche1> yes
[11:14] <Amaranth> selinium: adduser <user> <group>
[11:14] <timeless> too much reading, but it looks like a good site
[11:14] <miche1> ubuntu adding reprosieteries
[11:15] <IceDC571> the only ads i like on the web are the ones from apple
[11:15] <Brydenn[WU] > man
[11:15] <Brydenn[WU] > how do i make the icons on my desktop bigger?
[11:15] <jago25_98> budluva1: don't forget to try samba if you can't be bothered with gump3de
[11:15] <timeless> well, i think i got enough info
[11:15] <timeless> good night or day to all
[11:16] <selinium> Amaranth: cheers I will learn these commands, i will.... :)
[11:16] <yuacht> budluva, yupp
[11:16] <budluva1> there's a guide on ubuntuforums.org that tells me to make gnump3d use the root user while the documentation clearly states not to run as root...(duh!!!) well gnump3d wont work properly if i use a regular user, but it works if i run as root
[11:17] <iluciv> hi I'm needing some help with kernel compilation
[11:17] <eni> Can anybody tell what is wrong with it?
[11:17] <yuacht> eni, what's wrong with what?
[11:17] <yuacht> iluciv, what's your problem?
[11:17] <eni> yuacht: my sshd.
[11:18] <jago25_98> budluva1: apt-get install gnump3d` does all that for you I believe
[11:18] <yuacht> eni: gedit /etc/sshd.conf
[11:18] <yuacht> just look there
[11:18] <budluva1> ya i did that
[11:18] <selinium> eni: if you cant get any help here, you can try /j #linux
[11:18] <selinium> eni: too slow... Beong looked after now! :)
[11:19] <iluciv> yuacht:well I've been trying to compile a vanilla kernel but I've stuffed up now I want to remove everything and start again .ie directory
[11:20] <Albaraha> how would I display only broken packages in Synaptic?
[11:20] <iluciv> so I guess how do I remove a full dir in linux?? rmdir??
[11:21] <Albaraha> iluciv, rm -fr
[11:21] <jago25_98> budluva1: edit `/etc/gnump3d/gnump3d.conf` and you'll be read to roll. Personally I disabled .password protection in that file, and changed /var/music to /mnt/fileserver/mp3
[11:21] <Albaraha> iluciv, "rmdir - remove empty directories"
[11:22] <iluciv> albaraha: thanks will the symlink with that dir as well??
[11:22] <yuacht> Albaraha, Synaptic -> Bottom left corner, the custom button -> Broken
[11:22] <iluciv> remove
[11:22] <Pitel> hi, i've problems wit my soundblaste 24-bit. it don't run. i tried to recompile alsa, with help from some tutoruial at ubuntuforums, but it still don't work
[11:22] <Albaraha> iluciv, nope, you need to remove all sylinks to that dir manually
[11:23] <yuacht> when is breezy scheduled to be released?
[11:23] <Albaraha> yuacht, thanks
[11:23] <yuacht> Albaraha, anytime
[11:23] <jago25_98> Pitel: I have an audigy too. `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` and lsmod |grep emu10k
[11:23] <iluciv> albaraha: ln ??
[11:23] <Albaraha> that'd create links
[11:23] <eni> yuacht: on /etc/ssh there was ssh_config and sshd_config. neither has that ipv4 configuration..
[11:23] <Albaraha> you need to use rm
[11:24] <jago25_98> Albaraha: `rm -rf /target && ln -s /newTarget /target` ?
[11:24] <yuacht> eni, i'll look it up
[11:24] <marsh> what is the command to find out what applications (is that a M$oft word) are using a device (ie:whats stopping me from unmounting my cdrom)?
[11:25] <macintoshr> no applications isn't m$, but we say processes
[11:25] <jago25_98> march: I think it might be `fuser /dev/device`
[11:25] <macintoshr> because apple says applications
[11:25] <yuacht> eni,      -4      Forces sshd to use IPv4 addresses only.
[11:25] <marsh> thamks macintoshr
[11:25] <yuacht> try sudo sshd -4
[11:25] <Pitel> jabra: but i don't have audigy. i've sb live 24-bit. i think it use different chips :/
[11:26] <Pitel> jabra: sry
[11:26] <Pitel> jago25_98: but i don't have audigy. i've sb live 24-bit. i think it use different chips :/
[11:26] <marsh> macintoshr, know anything about the command too?
[11:26] <eni> yuacht: sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path
[11:26] <eni> it tells me :)
[11:26] <grexk> how can I put image in virtual terminal?
[11:26] <yuacht> eni, try sudo /etc/init.d/sshd stop
[11:26] <yuacht> then sudo sshd -4
[11:27] <Albaraha> iluciv, "rm -fr mydir" doesn't remove links pointing to "mydir", it just removes "mydir" recuresively and doesn't display a confirmation
[11:27] <jo> its ther any progie yes for video in amsn andt way is urbunt als the time take amsn out wen i instal it is it only pusubul to run amsn in gaim ?
[11:27] <visor> is apm supported in the battery applet in gnome?
[11:27] <yuacht> eni, sorry that doesnt work
[11:28] <eni> i was just going to tell you about it :)
[11:28] <jago25_98> Pitel: I had a live but it was a live 5.1. That also used emu10k (hence the unofficial ASIO drivers for Windows). However, if the 24bit version is different then I guess I don't know what the kernel module (driver) is called
[11:28] <marsh> no one? :(
[11:29] <eni> yuacht: what can i try now?
[11:29] <rasputnik> marsh: lsof
[11:30] <mike> hello
[11:30] <yuacht> marsh, lsof app
[11:30] <jago25_98> jo: You need to type better to get more attention. I don't know if amsn, kmess or kopete support video.
[11:30] <yuacht> eni, wait a seck
[11:30] <eni> ok
[11:30] <yuacht> elol
[11:30] <yuacht> sec
[11:30] <yuacht> i mean
[11:30] <yuacht> :)
[11:30] <eni> :)
[11:31] <kano_> bujaka bujaka
[11:31] <iluciv> Albaraha: I'm just going to remove it and install it agian with that same symlink I've just patched it incorrectly and now its just too messy for me to troubleshoot (I newbie) if I install the same kernel source in the same area the symlink will be the alright (does that make sense)
[11:31] <eni> jungle is massive
[11:31] <nLiveMx> :}}}
[11:31] <nLiveMx> incredible
[11:31] <nLiveMx> boyakasha
[11:31] <rasputnik> iluciv: yes, that'll be fine. you can just do 'make mrproper' to clean up your messses in a kernel source tree though
[11:31] <eni> ^
[11:31] <nLiveMx> ok, i need help
[11:32] <The_Flyest> can somebody help me?
[11:32] <iluciv> will that remove patches to kernel source??
[11:32] <The_Flyest> are there any people here that speak dutch?
[11:32] <rasputnik> iluciv: no, it shouldn't . if you want to do that, rm -rf and untar again
[11:33] <marsh> rasputnik, yuacht thank you, gentlemen. (that was driving me up the wall!)
[11:33] <nLiveMx> firslty sry for my poor english and for that that im totally lamer... i need to connect to irc servre which is on ipv6.. how can i start? ive just installed ubuntu..
[11:33] <jtan325> hey folks, guess how many times i've installed ubuntu in the past two days
[11:33] <rasputnik> eni: why don't you edit /etc/init.d/sshd and add the '-4' there, then sudo and restart it
[11:33] <iluciv> rasputnik: thanks
[11:33] <jtan325> FOUR FREAKIN TIMES
[11:33] <nLiveMx> rasputnik, da best vodka
[11:33] <The_Flyest> ok, moesten er hier nederlandstaligen zijn
[11:33] <nLiveMx> :}
[11:33] <The_Flyest> dit is mijn probleem:
[11:34] <rasputnik> jtan325 : you must really like it
[11:34] <The_Flyest> http://games.telenet.be/forum/showthread.php?t=334592
[11:34] <yuacht> The_Flyest, this is a english channel
[11:34] <The_Flyest> sorry
[11:34] <The_Flyest> but can somebody help me pls?
[11:34] <The_Flyest> i cant install and boot from live cd :s
[11:34] <jtan325> what would you install from a live cd?
[11:34] <rasputnik> The_Flyest : not unless we understand the question :)
[11:34] <lok> jtan325: right now my hd is dead and my laptop can't boot on cd do you want to change with me ?
[11:34] <The_Flyest> my computer hangs on : scsi 1: ata_piix
[11:35] <nLiveMx> firslty sry for my poor english and for that that im totally lamer... i need to connect to irc servre which is on ipv6.. how can i start? ive just installed ubuntu.. pls help me
[11:35] <The_Flyest> how can I solve this?
[11:35] <grexk> how can I change the image in virtual terminal just like in Livecd?
[11:35] <jago25_98> The_bellman: press F2 on the boot menu and go through the options for scsi. there's one that delays the scsi a bit and may fix. LiveCD isn't designed for installing
[11:36] <eni> rasputnik: sshd is empty file
[11:36] <jago25_98> The_Flyest: : press F2 on the boot menu and go through the options for scsi. there's one that delays the scsi a bit and may fix. LiveCD isn't designed for installing
[11:36] <The_bellman> jago25_98: wha?
[11:36] <The_Flyest> i know that livecd isn't meant for installing
[11:36] <jago25_98> The_bellman: sorry. Annoying xchat name completion got it wrong
[11:37] <The_bellman> coolies
[11:37] <The_Flyest> but I have the problem with the live cd and with the install cd
[11:37] <jago25_98> The_Flyest: there is an option on boot that says something about scsi, press the F-keys and have a look
[11:38] <The_Flyest> i tried a lot of these options
[11:38] <The_Flyest> none of them seem to work :/
[11:38] <linuxboy> anyone tried bluetooth with ubuntu?
[11:38] <djp> which is the better to use for web editing in peoples opinion, bluefish or emacs?
[11:38] <djp> linuxboy: yes
[11:38] <macintoshr> emacs
[11:38] <macintoshr> then again i havent used bluefish
[11:38] <linuxboy> djp: oh, cool. I just replied to your message on the forums
[11:39] <jago25_98> The_Flyest: try unplugging your scsi card if possible. disable auto-detection, if not I'm stuck
[11:39] <macintoshr> neither have i done bluetooth in ubuntu
[11:39] <jago25_98> linuxboy: yes
[11:39] <jtan325> emacs customizations
[11:39] <The_Flyest> I don't have a scsi card...
[11:39] <jtan325> wins
[11:39] <jago25_98> linuxboy: `apt-get install bluez` dpkg -i kbluetoothd-package-you-found-from-debian.deb
[11:39] <The_Flyest> http://global.giga-byte.com/MotherBoard/Products/Products_Spec_GA-8I915G-MF.htm
[11:39] <The_Flyest> that is my mobo
[11:40] <linuxboy> jago25_98: I can't send files from my phone to my pc
[11:40] <jago25_98> linuxboy: give me more
[11:40] <jtan325> so, i'm not too familiar with how not to panic in linux
[11:41] <jtan325> but let's say i do something ridiculous and manage to f*ck up my X system
[11:41] <jtan325> and i can only do things from the command line
[11:41] <jtan325> what steps should i take to try and get back to a nice working ubuntu
[11:41] <jtan325> i'm familiar with unix, but not linux
[11:41] <jago25_98> The_Flyest: If you really have tried all those boot line options I'm suck
[11:42] <jtan325> but i mean
[11:42] <jtan325> is there something like a backup utility
[11:42] <_Grunt_> hello there, does anyone else have troubles with the hicolor icons in gnome?
[11:42] <jtan325> i.e. i have a 300 GB hard drive, i bet i could put "snapshots" on there
[11:43] <The_Flyest> me too :/
[11:43] <mak> good evening. my system has suddenly decided to misbehave. I
[11:43] <eni> can someone help me howto change my sshd server from ipv6 -> ipv4
[11:44] <mak> I've noticed that it doesnt like to shutdown anymore, and for some reason my window's dual boot option has dissapeared. Has anyone seen this?
[11:44] <Hory> hey folks, is kubuntu more intuitive for beginners aka windows users?
[11:44] <jago25_98> linuxboy: I got it working with kde
[11:45] <jago25_98> Hory: I think so. But you learn more with Gentoo...
[11:45] <nLiveMx> agrrrr
[11:46] <nLiveMx> there was so helpful people
[11:46] <Hory> is gentoo even easier?
[11:46] <Nermal> no
[11:46] <mak> Hory, no
[11:46] <Nermal> that's why you learn more
[11:46] <mak> not at all
[11:46] <HiddenWolf> Gentoo is well-documented, but a bitch
[11:46] <nLiveMx> dun know whats worng with you know..
[11:46] <_Grunt_> Gentoo is needlessy complicated
[11:46] <_Grunt_> if you want to learn, start with Arch
[11:46] <Nermal> gentoo is fun, but the install can be tricky
[11:46] <Nermal> if you're a n00b
[11:46] <Hory> why is doing something more complicated to reach the same result better than doing something simpler?
[11:46] <mak> so, does anyone know why my ubuntu does not shut down anymore? I believe it may have something to do with a recent wave of updates
[11:47] <Nermal> holycow, BECAUSE YOU LEARN MORE
[11:47] <jago25_98> Hory: the same reason I got to the Gym
[11:47] <Nermal> Hory, even
[11:47] <Nermal> mak, because of a recent wave of updates ?
[11:47] <Hory> it's not the same, when you go to the gym you have different results than when staying home
[11:47] <_Grunt_> but I wouldn't worry about not learning. you can learn a ton in any distro as long as you are interested in tweaking your system
[11:47] <Nermal> oh shush
[11:47] <Nermal> you learn more by experimenting and playing about
[11:48] <eni> can someone help me with my sshd prob?
[11:48] <mak> Nermal: well, that's the only thing i can think of. I got some patches recently.
[11:48] <Hory> i just want a linux distro i can give to people to use, not to learn
[11:48] <Nermal> Hory, so use ubuntu.. jesus
[11:48] <HiddenWolf> Hory, ubuntu is your thing
[11:48] <Hory> well my question was whether kubuntu is easier or not
[11:48] <Nermal> ugh
[11:48] <Hory> than ubuntu
[11:48] <IceDC571> whats a good aac tagger in linux?
[11:48] <Nermal> play and find out
[11:48] <Nermal> well.. kde or gnome.. your choice
[11:49] <Hory> ok.. 1.4 GB of bandwidth lost because of you :)
[11:49] <Nermal> my heart bleeds
[11:49] <Hory> *of traffic
[11:49] <Nermal> because of your ignorance and not reading what each one is
[11:49] <Nermal> :)
[11:49] <IceDC571> lol Nermal
[11:49] <mak> Hory, I think there is a bit more support and general knowledge with Ubuntu, than with Kubuntu. Though I guess the goal is to change that
[11:49] <Hory> i know what each one is
[11:50] <Nermal> then why download both and blame me ?
[11:50] <HiddenWolf> ubuntu and kubuntu are the same thing, save for exchanging gnome for kde. Ubuntu is still bigger, and possibly better-supported, but the base is identical.
[11:50] <jago25_98> Hory: my brother just moved from Gnome to kde. he thought kde was nicer
[11:50] <Hory> thanks.. i was thinking on putting it on my mother's computer too
[11:50] <jtan325> gnome is familiar to mac users
[11:50] <Hory> just as an experiment to see if she can handle linux
[11:50] <HiddenWolf> Hory, and I personally choke every time I see the kde logo, it's all personal preference
[11:51] <ukato> what's a good dos emulator?
[11:51] <jtan325> how do you do keyboard mappings in ubuntu
[11:51] <jago25_98> HiddenWolf: I can understand that. I just moved from icewm, I find gnome hard work
[11:51] <Hory> dosbox, ukato
[11:51] <ukato> hory, thank you
[11:52] <jtan325> nm found it
[11:52] <Hory> you're welcome
[11:52] <jtan325> that was a horrible newbie-like question that a 4-time ubuntu installer like myself never should ask
[11:52] <cspan> hi, i updated yesterday to a new kernel that appeared in the ubuntu update, and now when i try to boot into linux i get "Kernel panic: not syncing: VFS: unable to mound root fs at unknown block (0,0)"
[11:52] <jago25_98> ukato: `apt-cache  search dos |grep dosemu` lazboy
[11:52] <Nermal> cspan, using hoary ?
[11:53] <cspan> Nermal, yes
[11:53] <Nermal> hummm. odd
[11:53] <Nermal> what disk controller ?
[11:53] <HiddenWolf> My advice as far as computers goes, is do not tell anyone that anything is better than the way they do it now. All you'll succeed in doing is changing peoples habits because 'the expert says so' and ending up with frustrated noobs because they don't understand why or how they are working this way.
[11:53] <cspan> Nermal, i don't know
[11:53] <jago25_98> jtan325: other than kde/gnome  there's a link you make for the command line something like /etc/ or /usr/lib (got that from gentoo)
[11:53] <Nermal> oh.. well.. try booting with pci=noacpi (long shot)
[11:53] <rasputnik> easy one: how do i list all my installed packages from the CLI?
[11:53] <cspan> Nermal, it's a mac
[11:53] <Nermal> o
[11:54] <cspan> i guess that might be important
[11:54] <sean_bcs> is it possible to install ubuntu to the hd from the live cd?
[11:54] <jago25_98> HiddenWolf: aka Ignorance is bliss
[11:54] <Nermal> cspan, erm.. a couple of people in #ubunut-ppc
[11:54] <Nermal> erm
[11:54] <jtan325> jago25_98, hoe is gentoo
[11:54] <jtan325> *how
[11:54] <Nermal> #ubuntu-ppc
[11:54] <jtan325> i've heard good and bad
[11:54] <cspan> i didn't know there was one!!
[11:54] <Nermal> going downhill :|
[11:54] <cspan> thanks
[11:54] <Nermal> cspan, not many people in there mind..
[11:54] <cspan> no
[11:54] <Nermal> gentoo was great, but it's getting slower and falling apart in places :|
[11:55] <Nermal> ebuild quality going downhill, some packages lagging behind, etc
[11:55] <nLiveMx> firslty sry for my poor english and for that that im totally lamer... i need to connect to irc servre which is on ipv6.. how can i start? ive just installed ubuntu.. pls help me
[11:55] <HiddenWolf> jago25_98, my father runs the business end of a software company, one of his developers uses right-mouse on 'start' to get to explorer, and told my father to do it that way too. Took him months to break the habit, and he's still frustrated, but the real pro says its better than to press a shortcut.
[11:55] <sean_bcs> do you have to be registered nick to have voice on this #
[11:55] <sean_bcs> I'll know soon enough
[11:55] <Nermal> sean_bcs, no
[11:56] <Nermal> you don't get voice on here by the looks of it
[11:56] <Nermal> why would you need it ?
[11:56] <sean_bcs> I'm probbaly using the wrong term
[11:56] <sean_bcs> why hope?
[11:56] <Nermal> sean_bcs, don't think you can install the livecd
[11:57] <linuxboy> jago25_98: how did you get bluetooth working? I can't send from my phone to my PC. My phone can't find the pc
[11:57] <sean_bcs> that's a shame you can with mepis and suse
[11:57] <jtan325> i gotta say, xchat is ridiculous compared to any other irc client
[11:57] <jago25_98> jtan325: it's a hoe, I love it. I can't say because I was using an copy that had built up over years, it has advantages in that it's comprehensive. but yes, it is hard work and that's why I'm on Ubuntu now. Ubuntu is massively fast for me now, but when I need to do something a bit custom I feel the need for Gentoo - so I'll consider running side by side if need be
[11:57] <Nermal> sean_bcs, didn't think you could with suse
[11:57] <Nermal> what do you run in suse to achieve that ?
[11:57] <sean_bcs> you could with 8 haven't looked at 9
[11:57] <Nermal> or are you talking about the evaluation cd
[11:57] <Nermal> oh.. you're talking about the eval cd, not the live cd
[11:58] <sean_bcs> and it did ntfs partioning on the fly, I heard ubuntu does that too
[11:58] <sean_bcs> what's the diffrence?
[11:58] <rasputnik> sean_bcs: one installs, one doesn't :)
[11:58] <jago25_98> linuxboy: I've msg'ed you
[11:59] <sean_bcs> mepis live installs rasputnik if you ask it to
[11:59] <sean_bcs> I was hoping ubuntu did the same
[11:59] <Nermal> this is ubuntu
[11:59] <Nermal> just download the install cd ffs
[11:59] <HiddenWolf> http://www.livejournal.com/users/alanhorkan/3445.html
[11:59] <jtan325> so in terms of network secruity
[11:59] <jtan325> security
[11:59] <sean_bcs> have to dload another iso now :(
[11:59] <rasputnik> sean_bcs: yes, but it does'nt install ubuntu, so....?
[11:59] <Nermal> that's half the fun!
[12:00] <jtan325> ubuntu warned me about some malicious client could be eavesdropping
[12:00] <jtan325> what does that mean
[12:00] <Nermal> jtan325, ssh ?
[12:00] <sean_bcs> I was hoping to have it up and running by the end of the morning
[12:00] <precy> italiani sono disponibili
[12:00] <jtan325> ssh what?
[12:00] <Nermal> jtan325, means the ssh key on the server has changed or the ip has
[12:00] <precy> ?
[12:00] <rasputnik> jtan325 : sounds like ssh when a host key changes
[12:00] <Nermal> jtan325, what warned you
[12:00] <Nermal> and don't say ubuntu
[12:00] <jtan325> it was gnome
[12:00] <Nermal> oh god
[12:01] <Nermal> *looks for way out*
[12:01] <Nermal> save me from the n00bs
[12:01] <jtan325> haha what does that mean
[12:01] <jtan325> i know nothing about the network stuff
[12:01] <Nermal> so read up on it
[12:01] <jtan325> everything else, i'm working my way around it
[12:01] <jtan325> ok ok
[12:01] <precy> c' un italiano?
[12:01] <jtan325> but what's the solution for now so i don't get hacked or something
[12:01] <rasputnik> jtan325 : if it's ssh, the rest of the message tells you exactly what to do
[12:02] <Nermal> precy, join #ubuntu-it
[12:02] <precy> thanks a lot
[12:02] <precy> bye
[12:02] <Nermal> jtan325, give us the exact error
[12:03] <jtan325> kind of hard because it's not recurring
[12:03] <jtan325> but yeah, my laptop, which i'm on right now
[12:03] <jtan325> is just fresh off an ubuntu install like an hour ago
[12:03] <jtan325> and so when i first logged in
[12:03] <rasputnik> come on now, starter for ten - how do i list my installed debs from the cli?
[12:03] <jtan325> tried to connect to google, didn't work
[12:04] <jtan325> so i double clicked on the little networking icon in the top right
[12:04] <jtan325> and i think the the only thing i changed was "autoconfigure"
[12:05] <jtan325> oh wow i am a dumbass
[12:06] <jtan325> ok what it reallly said was that "warning! could not grab your mouse. a malicious client may be eavesdropping on your session
[12:06] <rasputnik> jtan325 : what an odd error
[12:08] <jtan325> so what do you guys use to make your desktop look "cool"
[12:08] <jtan325> besides aterm and gdesklets
[12:08] <jtan325> and of course, the transparent xchat
[12:08] <rob^> jtan325, themes etc
[12:08] <ateves> hi, i wanted to compile SIM, but configure always tells me that the QT headers and libs cannot be found, but they are installed and up to date
[12:08] <rob^> wallpapers, the usual
[12:09] <rob^> system monitors..
[12:09] <rasputnik> jtan325 : ratpoison
[12:09] <SnakeBite> If I compile custom kernel - will ubuntu update manager continue to offer me kernel patches?
[12:10] <Nermal> jtan325, neon underglow and fcking huge spoiler screwed to my monitor
[12:10] <Nermal> decent icons are nice :P
[12:10] <swarm> SnakeBite, yes but not for custom kernel
[12:11] <_root_> Unable to load image-loading module: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.2.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.la: failed to open libtool archive "/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.2.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.la"  ... can anybody help me ?
[12:11] <rob^> my firefox icon is pretty cool
[12:11] <_root_> i am having this in my system.../usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.la
[12:11] <jtan325> haha
[12:11] <jtan325> big pimpin
[12:11] <SnakeBite> swarm, but for what?
[12:11] <jtan325> this ratpoison looks intriguing....
[12:12] <Nermal> _root_, there is your problem
[12:12] <Nermal> the app is compiled to look for gtk2.2 libs and you are using gtk 2.4
[12:12] <voth> has the open office issue been resolved yet?
[12:12] <Nermal> and ugly hack would be to symlink it
[12:12] <swarm> SnakeBite, for the other kernels distributed with ubuntu or got through ubuntu repositories. I mean that.
[12:13] <precy> italian irc channel ???
[12:13] <precy> sorry
[12:13] <jtan325> besides the extra repositories listed on ubuntuguide, are there any others i should add
[12:13] <jtan325> to get cool stuff
[12:13] <jtan325> is there one for sourceforge? i couldn't find it
[12:13] <Nermal> why should there be?
[12:14] <SnakeBite> swarm, 10x
[12:14] <Nermal> not every project on sourceforge has precompiled packages, let alone version specific ubuntu debs
[12:14] <jtan325> true true
[12:14] <jtan325> are there any other repos though
[12:15] <rasputnik> jtan325 : anyone can make a repo, so yes
[12:15] <jtan325> i mean, "mainstream" repos
[12:15] <jtan325> that aren't official ubuntu
[12:15] <jtan325> but yeah you know what i mean
[12:19] <BockBilbo> is breezy ready to start testing it?
[12:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> if your willing for pain
[12:20] <BockBilbo> why do you say that Kamping_Kaiser ?
[12:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's rather unstable+things go down quite a bit
[12:21] <macintoshr> whats so bad about breezy?
[12:21] <BockBilbo> mmm
[12:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> austnet have banned by nic because GAIM kept crashing out and they thought i was a bot
[12:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> when i reconeected
[12:21] <macintoshr> hahaha
[12:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[12:21] <BockBilbo> i tried it out 2 months ago
[12:22] <BockBilbo> and i had to reinstall hoary cause it messed up my x server config totally
[12:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have been using it since Hoary was stable, and Breezy is not stable
[12:22] <jtan325> where is the .Xresources file?
[12:22] <jtan325> or do you create it
[12:22] <BockBilbo> Kamping_Kaiser,  ok
[12:22] <BockBilbo> im going to install it so
[12:22] <BockBilbo> i used hoary 4 months before it was stable
[12:23] <BockBilbo> ... breezy should b stable for october, right?
[12:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> correct
[12:23] <jo> Breezy  hoary what is defents
[12:23] <jo>  Breezy nieuwer ?
[12:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[12:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> Breezy is unstable, like Debian Sid
[12:24] <HiddenWolf> jo, try #ubuntu-nl
[12:24] <jo> i mean in gentoo i run unstabel is breezy the same?
[12:24] <jago25_98> jo: yes
[12:24] <jo> oke
[12:24] <IceDC571> breezy is worse
[12:24] <berkes> hey there. quick question:
[12:25] <BockBilbo> should i enable the breezy multiverse during the dist-upgrade?
[12:25] <berkes> what is the name of that package that installs all the make-tools.
[12:25] <berkes> I mean kernel headers etc
[12:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> bockbilbo, probably not during dist upgrade, but you could
[12:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> berkes, build esentials perhaps? I'm not sure
[12:26] <rasputnik> s/pulling it/pulling in/
[12:26] <berkes> yep, Kamping_Kaiser, that it
[12:26] <berkes> thanks
[12:27] <|OverKiLL|> Where I Can Find Skype For Ubuntu Linux ?
[12:27] <BockBilbo> Kamping_Kaiser, is  it planned to make bootsplash work on breezy?
[12:27] <rasputnik> wishie : hah yeah saw that on sarge at work every boot, drove me potty
[12:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> overkill, from the skype site, get the deb
[12:27] <|OverKiLL|> thx
[12:27] <rasputnik> wishie : just compile everything in one huge lump, that's the netbsd way :)
[12:28] <rasputnik> then when you want to use a usb mass storage device, simply recompile and reboot :D
[12:28] <macintoshr> bbl
[12:30] <tariq_> how to change the x fonts
[12:31] <|OverKiLL|> How I Can Play Games for Win, Where I Can Find Emulator, etc... ?
[12:31] <|OverKiLL|> or programs
[12:31] <|OverKiLL|> Programs for win
[12:31] <jo> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrafonts
[12:31] <jo> tariq_
[12:31] <yuacht> |OverKiLL|, www.winehq.org / www.codeweavers.com / www.transgaming.com
[12:32] <yuacht> |OverKiLL|, what apps do you wanna use?
[12:32] <sly> OverKill wine for programs cedega for games , will both take hevey setting up to get working right how you want it
[12:32] <|OverKiLL|> hmmm. ok i try it :)
[12:34] <jago25_98> |OverKiLL|: and you have to pay
[12:34] <wdh> yeah, you will have to pay me ;)
[12:35] <wdh> not sure why.. but i would like it though :P
[12:36] <jo> |OverKiLL http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrafonts
[12:36] <jo> for skype to
[12:37] <jtan325> so mozilla updates says my firefox needs to be upgraded
[12:37] <jtan325> what directory should i install to?
[12:37] <scorpix_> will breezy come with RSS reader be default?
[12:38] <jo> sudo apt-get install libqt3c102-mt
[12:38] <jo> wget -c http://frankandjacq.com/ubuntuguide/skype_1.1.0.13-1_i386.deb
[12:38] <jo> sudo dpkg -i skype_1.1.0.13-1_i386.deb
[12:39] <berkes> scorpix_ kubuntu has akgregator by default
[12:39] <berkes> jtan325, afaik no need to dl anything
[12:39] <scorpix_> berkes, i mean the next version of ubuntu
[12:40] <berkes> scorpix_, yes, but the current kubunut already has one,
[12:40] <jtan325> berkes: afaik?
[12:40] <scorpix_> berkes, what RSS reader will come with ubuntu breezy?
[12:40] <berkes> jtan325: as Far As I Know
[12:40] <jtan325> i could go to the extension room and install the extensions there
[12:41] <berkes> jtan325, you should update your ff with apt
[12:41] <jtan325> already did....
[12:41] <mazzen> hi!
[12:41] <berkes> scorpix_, afaik there is no rss reader in gnome, by default, so ther prolly wont be any in default ubuntu/gnome
[12:41] <mazzen>  i would like to expand my PATH variable globaly, but when i put 'PATH=$PATH:$ANT_HOME/bin' into my '/etc/environment', after a reboot, my PATH ist totaly crashed :( what do i wrong?
[12:42] <berkes> jtan325, so what is the problem then?
[12:42] <jtan325> put it in you ~/.bashrc file
[12:42] <jtan325> http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/upgrade/?application=firefox
[12:42] <mazzen> jtan325: but than its just for one user, not for all.
[12:42] <jtan325> that website says something about "firefox on ubuntu"
[12:44] <berkes> jtan325, yes. that proves *again* that updates on application level suck ;)
[12:44] <jtan325> oh hey what do you know
[12:44] <jtan325> there is a workaround
[12:44] <berkes> jtan325, if your FF is up to date via apt there should be no problem
[12:44] <jtan325> about:config
[12:44] <jtan325> set general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4
[12:44] <jtan325> and it works
[12:45] <berkes> ah, yes :) silly FF people. with their stupid incompatabilities.
[12:45] <mauper> rss: "sage" for firefox ?
[12:45] <jtan325> use bloglines for RSS!
[12:45] <jtan325> so awesome
[12:45] <berkes> mauper, sage is only so-so.
[12:45] <jtan325> and it's a website right
[12:45] <jtan325> so you can access from anywhere easily
[12:45] <jtan325> just login to a website...
[12:45] <mauper> berkes: enough for me
[12:46] <berkes> it works, but is fairly limited
[12:46] <mauper> berkes: what do you expect from a rss-reader ? ;)
[12:46] <berkes> mauper, I keep track of over 120 feeds>
[12:46] <zakann> I had a little problem with my usb key, Is there anyone who can explain me why its mount in readonly?
[12:46] <mauper> berkes: mkay, this however might be a problem in sage ;)
[12:47] <berkes> thus I need a good reader, integrated properly in my system. not some browser plugin,
[12:47] <zakann> Sorry my english sentences, i'm french
[12:47] <berkes> zakann, do you have proper rights set for the user?
[12:47] <BockBilbo> is there any way to limit the bandwich used by apt?
[12:48] <sinope> dfa
[12:49] <jtan325> so what kinds of progams do you guys use to spice up your desktop
[12:49] <jtan325> besides aterm
[12:49] <mazzen> zakann, take a look at you usb-stick. is the "only-write" swicht on?
[12:49] <jtan325> and gdesklets
[12:49] <ttj> Are there any kernel-source packages for ubuntu?
[12:50] <ttj> My kernel simply freezes after bootup when I run 2.6.11 :/
[12:50] <yuacht> anyone besides me using kqemu?
[12:51] <mauper> ttj: mine too, stick to an "older" image ?
[12:51] <ttj> mauper: I don't want to :p
[12:51] <ttj> I want 2.6.12.
[12:52] <krueger> where can I get these "desklets" to my desktop ? Can someone please tell me about these desklets and how their work ? ( sorry my english, I'm danish )
[12:52] <ttj> Mostly because the kernel -also- freezes when I try bluetooth-transfers from my cellphone.
[12:52] <ttj> Oddly enough.
[12:52] <ttj> I haven't been able to test that in 2.6.12 yet.
[12:52] <jago25_98> ttj: works for me on 2.6.10 ubuntu standard. what kernel u got?
[12:53] <ttj> jago25_98: using the standard right now
[12:53] <jago25_98> ttj: is that 2.6.10 or 2.6.11? (uname -a)
[12:53] <ttj> I also get a strange message on boot, from e2fsck saying my /dev/hda2 has "special features" or something, and that I need to upgrade my e2fsck. It is the newest version....
[12:53] <ttj> jago25_98: 2.6.10
[12:54] <jago25_98> ttj: how odd. we must have different hardware
[12:54] <ttj> I actually have to interact (CTRL-D or type my root pw) to get past that error message.
[12:54] <ttj> jago25_98: Different bluetooth hardware, you mean?
[12:55] <jtan325> karama is kde though....
[12:55] <jtan325> not sure if i want to switch
[12:56] <KhaBal> whats up everybody?
[12:57] <_root_> Nermal: thanx :)
[12:57] <wizo|out> nto much
[12:58] <ptimo> hi all
[12:58] <krueger> Where can i get these "desklets" ?
[12:58] <Myrtti> sudo apt-get install gdesklets
[12:58] <krueger> okay..
[01:01] <jtan325> favorite apps, anyone?
[01:01] <jtan325> i just installed ubuntu like 2 hours ago
[01:01] <jtan325> just going through the repos with good ol' synaptic
[01:01] <Myrtti> scribus
[01:02] <ColdFire72> Anybody managed to get x-windows running on an notebook with intel 915GM @ 1280x768 resolution ?
[01:02] <Myrtti> gweled, sodipodi
[01:03] <jtan325> cool
[01:04] <krueger> why can't I update my system in my terminal ? with sudo apt-get update it says after 3 second that the system is updated ? but synaptic says there still is 25 updates left ?
[01:04] <ColdFire72> A.F.A.I.K I should use kernel 2.6.12 or newer and x.org CVS-Snapshot, but how am I supposed to integrate this with normal package-management ?
[01:05] <Myrtti> krueger: sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:05] <ColdFire72> krueger: apt-get update only updates the package-database, try apt-get upgrade
[01:05] <Myrtti> update updates the package lists on your computer to match those on repositories
[01:06] <wdh> ColdFire72, what is x-windows? :P
[01:06] <krueger> thanks :D
[01:06] <krueger> thumps up :D
[01:06] <wdh> ColdFire72, or are you meaning 'the X Windowing System'?
[01:07] <ColdFire72> Yes that's what I meant. x.org-x11 to be more precise
[01:07] <wdh> s/Windowing/Window
[01:07] <wdh> ColdFire72, have you tried 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'?
[01:09] <ColdFire72> No, but what do you expect from that ? The intel driver is configured "correctly" but x.org's driver cannot support this resolution
[01:09] <ColdFire72> (AFAIK)
[01:09] <Whistler> i installed ati drivers from official website but they dont seem to be working
[01:09] <krueger> hello again... how can I see which nvidia drivers I have installed ?
[01:09] <Whistler> what should i do?
[01:10] <liable> Whistler: uninstall them?
[01:10] <berkes> hmm, what package contains the kernel 2.6.10 sources?
[01:10] <krueger> anyone ?
[01:10] <Seveas> krueger, glxinfo | grep 'vendor\|version'
[01:11] <Seveas> berkes, linux-source-2.6.10
[01:11] <krueger> okay..
[01:11] <krueger> thanks
[01:11] <Whistler> now ati control apeared in menu
[01:11] <wdh> ColdFire72, not sure.. why do you think it wont support that resolution?
[01:11] <ColdFire72> to get x running with all features I need at least 6.8.99.10 and 2.6.12 kernel to get correct agp-support
[01:11] <ColdFire72> because intel say so on the drivers download-page ;-)
[01:11] <wdh> :)
[01:11] <anatole> ummm, a noob question, but how to use a floppy? i never did that under ubuntu
[01:12] <Nermal> mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy ?
[01:12] <ColdFire72> some other posts in multiple mailing-lists as well --- there seems to be a workaround using a BIOS-patch-tool, but the newer driver is said to be supporting this card out of the box
[01:12] <jtan325> favorite apps, guys? i am installing a bunch of stuff now, just installed ubuntu a few hours ago
[01:13] <Nermal> for doing what ?
[01:13] <wdh> jtan325, what do you wish to do?
[01:13] <wdh> jtan325, if not sure.. just install tuxracer :)
[01:13] <anatole> Nermal: it says "already mounted or busy"
[01:13] <krueger> I like mplayer and xmms :d
[01:13] <sly> o
[01:13] <sly> o
[01:13] <anatole> but its content does not show up in /media/floppy
[01:13] <sly> and frozen-bubble
[01:13] <jtan325> yeah i heard things about xmms
[01:13] <jtan325> xmms mp3 support or something
[01:13] <Nermal> beep-media-player
[01:13] <Nermal> gtk2 version of xmms
[01:13] <ColdFire72> jatn325: gnome (ubuntu) or kde ?
[01:13] <jtan325> gnome
[01:13] <Lare2> read there http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8717
[01:14] <BockBilbo> jtan325, beep-media-player is cool
[01:14] <wdh> jtan325, just browse through the packages in synaptic
[01:14] <jtan325> haha yeah i am doing that
[01:14] <jtan325> just thought i'd get some recommendations
[01:14] <jtan325> eventually plan on replacing windows
[01:14] <Seveas> beep is nice
[01:14] <Lare2> read there for some recomendations http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8717
[01:14] <krueger> what have you installed so far jtan325 ?
[01:14] <wdh> jtan325, you will get different ones from each person you speak to :)
[01:14] <Whistler> ati control appeared in app`s but hardware acceleration ist working
[01:14] <Whistler> what shoud i do?
[01:14] <jtan325> getting a lot of programming stuff going
[01:15] <jtan325> mono, eclipse, gcc, etc. under the "development" category
[01:15] <krueger> ok ... whistler are you german ?
[01:15] <jtan325> also got my thunderbird running
[01:15] <jtan325> gonna figure out aterm soon
[01:15] <sly> gftp,amsn,azureus,nvu,xmms,xine are among the 1st things i get going =\
[01:15] <Seveas> jtan325, mono/eclpise will be lots better in Breezy
[01:15] <jtan325> i hope
[01:15] <Lare2> agrre on xine
[01:15] <Seveas> might be worth the wait instead of trying to hassle with it now...
[01:15] <Whistler> nope
[01:16] <jtan325> oh yeah got gftp
[01:16] <sly> but after what i just read above
[01:16] <jtan325> and def. gotta get azureus
[01:16] <sly> i just apt-getd beep see what its lik e=D
[01:16] <krueger> I see....
[01:16] <jtan325> haha ok
[01:16] <Seveas> jtan325, ftp can be dome much easier with places -> connect to server :)
[01:16] <Seveas> sly: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[01:16] <Nermal> or alsa
[01:16] <Nermal> get rid of that esound crap
[01:16] <Seveas> sly: Ubuntu beep theme: http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/4Humans.tgz
[01:16] <krueger> what's wrong with eSound ?
[01:17] <sly> wow
[01:17] <ColdFire72> whistler: probably not what you wanted to hear: but after fiddling around with a ATI radeon for ore tha an year I threw it away and bought myself a GeForce -- Suppose you do that too ...
[01:17] <sly> i like the greay crap with debian splahsed over it
[01:17] <Seveas> Nermal, Ubuntu will kick out esd for Breezy :)
[01:17] <jtan325> ahh but i need ssh ftp
[01:17] <jtan325> so gftp is good for that
[01:17] <selinium> hi all, this is probably not do-able but can you open a application in a particular workspace, ie open thunderbird in workspace 4.... ?
[01:17] <Whistler> ColdFire72 why should i threw it away?I like ati.
[01:17] <Seveas> jtan325, places -> connect to server does ftp/sftp/ssh/webdav/webdavs...
[01:17] <Seveas> and samba
[01:17] <sly> i think beep died
[01:18] <krueger> because ati dosen't work well on linux
[01:18] <Seveas> sly, if it habgs when you try to play files you need to change the output plugin
[01:19] <ColdFire72> Because the ati-drivers for linux are -- Sorry for the word: bullshit !  Unstable, slow, incomplete ...
[01:19] <Whistler> krueger so i better delete linux than chage video card
[01:19] <Whistler> *change
[01:20] <KhaBal> anyone here know how to use LAMP?
[01:20] <jtan325> Seveas: HOLY CRAP
[01:20] <sly> =\ it just disapears now =\
[01:20] <KhaBal> ive just installed it and installed my webadmin
[01:20] <ColdFire72> Whistler: Try to get proper Hardware-aceleration, Try DuallHead-Configuration with Xinerama or some sort of that and you will see the just don't work ...
[01:20] <jtan325> Seveas: it is easier
[01:20] <Seveas> ColdFire72, stop spreading FUD
[01:20] <jtan325> when is breezy coming out?
[01:21] <Seveas> ColdFire72, the fglrx driver is perfectly capable of that
[01:21] <Seveas> jtan325, october
[01:21] <jtan325> october right?
[01:21] <Whistler> i am using ati video cards for about five years and i like them
[01:21] <Whistler> :)
[01:21] <Seveas> Lots of work going on now on Breezy, you'd better not use it yet :)
[01:21] <sly> did i hear you say esd would be scrapped
[01:21] <sly> i like that plan
[01:22] <Seveas> Many people do :)
[01:22] <sly> oh and beep works no ;)
[01:22] <sly> i kinda like the default skin =\
[01:22] <KhaBal> anyone know how to use LAMP, or know any good guides on how to use it?
[01:22] <ColdFire72> @Sveas: I just spread my own experience, not FUD ....
[01:23] <jtan325> vlc vs. xine?
[01:23] <Seveas> KhaBal, simply apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 php4-mysql mysql-server
[01:23] <jtan325> i used vlc on windows
[01:23] <Seveas> KhaBal, and read documentation...
[01:23] <sly> i cleard the screen .......... Seveas what was the link to the beep skin >
[01:23] <jtan325> thunderbird vs. evolution?
[01:24] <sly> ive only ever used xineso............
[01:24] <Seveas> http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/4Humans.tgz
[01:24] <KhaBal> Seveas: I've installed it.. wheres documentation?
[01:24] <Seveas> KhaBal, /usr/share/doc/
[01:24] <KhaBal> wow plenty of files in ther *-*
[01:25] <Seveas> :)
[01:25] <Seveas> every package you install gets a subdir there
[01:25] <Seveas> but look at the apache, php and mysql dirs...
[01:26] <Whistler> so can anybody help me with ati drivers?
[01:26] <Seveas> Whistler: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:27] <KhaBal> i've created a webpage html, in a folder wit the pics in the folder, which programs of LAMP do i use to just put it up on the net, and i need a script, where someone wouild fill in the page and submit the information where it sends that information to my email adress
[01:27] <selinium> KhabBal: apt-get install firestarter  to set your IP tables and open your port 80 for external traffic, if thats what you are doing.
[01:28] <Seveas> selinium, it's not what he is doing :)
[01:28] <KhaBal> im trying to get my html on the net
[01:28] <KhaBal> ive created my html with some coding in a txt document
[01:28] <Seveas> KhaBal, that is beyond the topic of this channel...
[01:28] <Seveas> Maybe try the forums...
[01:28] <KhaBal> and in order for the images to show up ive put the images in the same folder
[01:29] <selinium> KhaBal: private message?
[01:29] <KhaBal> dont know what channel to go to :(
[01:29] <jtan325> anyone use "beagle"?
[01:29] <sly> ok im a little bored and got all afternoon off
[01:29] <sly> snes emu's =D anone ?
[01:33] <Nermal> sly, ?
[01:34] <Nermal> snes9x ?
[01:34] <me> anyone knows what program i need to call in order to lock the screen ?
[01:34] <Nermal> jtan325, I've used beagle
[01:34] <Nermal> me, xscreensaver
[01:34] <jtan325> how is it
[01:34] <sly> that has no gui i beleive... or am i wrong ?
[01:34] <Nermal> jtan325, its ok but my files are quite organised anyway
[01:34] <jtan325> nice
[01:34] <Nermal> you need a 1.1.7 mono release really
[01:34] <Nermal> sly, use the gnome interface
[01:35] <jtan325> so at work i also use ubuntu
[01:35] <jtan325> i have no idea how to set up a printer
[01:35] <jtan325> and the add printer
[01:35] <me> Nermal, it says xscreensaver: 14:34:43: already running on display :0.0
[01:35] <jtan325> through gnome
[01:35] <jtan325> doesn't really work
[01:35] <jtan325> this is a network printer
[01:35] <Nermal> me, oh.. use the lock screen option in gnome
[01:35] <Nermal> jtan325, so select network printe ?
[01:36] <me> Nermal, i want to assign a key in my keyboard to locking the screen so i need an application to call to :'(
[01:36] <Pointwood> what would happen to /home if I did a new install over an existing one?
[01:36] <Nermal> me, no you don't
[01:36] <Nermal> if you are using gnome you can use the edit key bindings thing to map it
[01:36] <freewoody> How do I change the size of my Applications menu
[01:36] <freewoody> it has become so big
[01:36] <jtan325> yeah but i don't know the ip of the printer
[01:36] <jtan325> is there a way to "find all printers on network"
[01:36] <Nermal> jtan325, so ask someone
[01:36] <jtan325> similiar to that in windows
[01:37] <krueger> Hello
[01:38] <jtan325> so.... any more programs to recommend
[01:38] <krueger> hmm..
[01:38] <jtan325> i am going crazy installing all sorts of stuff i'll never try haha
[01:39] <krueger> well
[01:40] <krueger> maybe wine ?
[01:41] <me> Nermal, i dont, its a special key and i use a special program :
[01:41] <jtan325> ahh
[01:41] <jtan325> good idea
[01:41] <corza> hi guys i'm trying to install the new nvidia drivers it says i must exit X but last time i tried to install it by exiting x.. (i'm not sure if it actually triggered it) but my whole operating system was screwed
[01:41] <krueger> :D
[01:42] <krueger> hmm
[01:42] <liable> corza: start by closing evrything
[01:42] <liable> corza: then, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop'
[01:42] <liable> corza: then alt+ctl+backspace
[01:43] <me> anyone knows what can i run from terminal in order to lock the screen(under gnome) ?
[01:43] <corza> then sh. etc?
[01:43] <Nermal> me, ffs
[01:43] <me> Nermal, ...
[01:43] <Nermal> why do you make things so fucking difficult ?
[01:43] <liable> corza: then install whatever you have to.
[01:43] <Nermal> just lock the sodding screen
[01:43] <Nermal> key mappings -> lock screen
[01:44] <Nermal> simple
[01:44] <Nermal> like you
[01:44] <Nermal> very very simple
[01:44] <me> Nermal, its not a normal key, it belongs to ibm laptops.
[01:44] <Nermal> thats enough for today
[01:44] <krueger> How do I shutdown my system in a terminal ?
[01:44] <SuperSheeP> hello all
[01:44] <snowblink> krueger, halt
[01:45] <sege> krueger: shutdown -h now
[01:45] <SuperSheeP> lol
[01:45] <SuperSheeP> FRancais ?
[01:45] <krueger> Okay... thank you :D
[01:45] <Seveas> SuperSheeP, #ubuntu-fr
[01:45] <SuperSheeP> lol yes
[01:46] <snowblink> me, where you just winding up Nermal?>
[01:46] <SuperSheeP> LOL UBUNTU POWWWWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEER
[01:46] <me> snowblink, "winding up" ?
[01:46] <jtan325> more program suggestions, anyone?
[01:46] <krueger> hmm..
[01:46] <krueger> Have you installed mplayer or xine ?
[01:46] <snowblink> me, pushing his buttons, baiting, etc.
[01:47] <SuperSheeP> Kismet is a Good Prog For wireless scan
[01:47] <me> snowblink, did you read the conversation ? i dont think i did ..
[01:47] <Whistler> install opera
[01:47] <krueger> opera rules :d
[01:47] <corza> okay i just done that then.. and when i go to install it it said....
[01:47] <corza> "No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel"
[01:47] <snowblink> me, you're trying to lock you screen using your keyboard?
[01:48] <jtan325> i've tried xine
[01:48] <krueger> OMG Rob Thomas on MTV.... I hate that guy..
[01:48] <jtan325> it's pretty awesome
[01:48] <jtan325> opera.... firefox is much better
[01:48] <SuperSheeP> FR ?
[01:48] <me> snowblink, using a key which i can only assign action to using an application
[01:49] <jtan325> man there are just so many choices
[01:49] <me> snowblink, a specific application *
[01:49] <krueger> yes.... i also think firefox is best.. but opera is very nice to use if you are browsing many pages
[01:49] <corza> "No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel" Nvidia error, anyone help me?
[01:49] <snowblink> me, sorry your sentence does not make sense to me
[01:49] <karamazof> hi
[01:49] <krueger> hi
[01:49] <me> snowblink, im trying to asign a key on my laptop keyboard to locking the screen, yes
[01:50] <jtan325> wow, i didn't know vnc was cross-platform
[01:50] <jtan325> that's freakin sweet
[01:50] <snowblink> me, you can do that in keyboard mappings
[01:50] <me> snowblink, but that key isnt on normal keyboards
[01:50] <snowblink> me, you want to use a key which is not on normal keyboards to lock the screen?
[01:50] <karamazof> just a question, does any body know where I could find a good doc about configurating a speedtouch 510 firewall?
[01:50] <me> snowblink, "access ibm" key on an ibm laptop, yes.
[01:51] <snowblink> me, does your system react to the key at all at the moment?
[01:51] <me> snowblink, there is a program that lets me assign action to it, thats why i asked for the command to run from terminal in order to lock the screen
[01:51] <jtan325> what's the best way to play mp3's
[01:51] <xabbu> Anyone more than me that has huge problem to configure vlc to play sound?
[01:52] <snowblink> me, okay. Got you now
[01:52] <corza> anyone help me with Nvidia Driver?
[01:52] <aaron_> jtan325: there is a few choices out there, xmms is an old favourite
[01:52] <jtan325> and the other choices?
[01:53] <krueger> well
[01:53] <aaron_> jtan325: There is a pre-bundled package in Ubuntu called Music player
[01:53] <xabbu> jtan325, beep-media-player. The player that follows Ubuntu per default.
[01:53] <yuacht> jtan325, amarok, rythmbox
[01:53] <xabbu> Music Player.
[01:53] <jtan325> to play mp3's???
[01:53] <Whistler> jep
[01:54] <jtan325> i mean, you have to install plugins right
[01:54] <krueger> you have to install gstreamer 0.8 mad to herar mp3 in amarok or rythmbox..
[01:54] <aaron_> jtan325: no?
[01:54] <krueger> hear*
[01:54] <jtan325> so what i'm really asking is, what's the best mp3 plugin
[01:54] <jtan325> to get great quality
[01:54] <krueger> ?
[01:54] <aaron_> jtan325: plugin for what?
[01:54] <krueger> uhm
[01:54] <Leliel_Stormhawk> anyone know anything about getting a soundbalster audigy2 zs to work with ubuntu?
[01:55] <snowblink> me, it has to do with xscreensaver. You are aware that you can set lock screen using normal keys & keyboard shortcuts?
[01:55] <jtan325> plugins to play mp3's
[01:55] <Seveas> jtan325, only gstreamer-based applications need a plugin, xine/xmms have it built-in
[01:55] <jtan325> don't really care about the player itself
[01:55] <aaron_> xabbu: do you use beep-media-player? does it have a media library?
[01:55] <Seveas> for gstreamer, gstreamer0.8-mad and gstreamer0.8-lame are good
[01:55] <selinium> Seveas: is there a way of opening a application in a particular workspace?
[01:55] <Seveas> selinium, afaik that's onging work...
[01:56] <selinium> Seveas: cheers.
[01:56] <snowblink> me, man xscreensaver-command
[01:57] <Kato_von_Spee> hi - thanks for CD Ubuntu - is fine :)) btw. how is here file commander?
[01:57] <me> snowblink, works !!! thanks :D
[01:57] <snowblink> me, np
[01:57] <ralf> hi, i have installed kubuntu on a non networked pc
[01:57] <ralf> now i wish to install other stuff
[01:57] <ralf> but the cd is really poor
[01:57] <krueger> yeah ? like what ?
[01:58] <ralf> what can I do wothout downloading the whole repository?
[01:58] <aaron_> jtan325: I don't really know how much of a difference software decoding makes to the sound quality under linux. But having good encodings will make a difference.
[01:58] <Seveas> ralf, you can download individual packages from packages.ubuntu.com
[01:59] <xabbu> aaron_, yeah I use it. I don't really know.
[01:59] <Leliel_Stormhawk> anyone here know much about getting a soundblaster audigy 2 to work with ubuntu hoary
[01:59] <Leliel_Stormhawk> ?
[01:59] <krueger> Jeg er lam
[01:59] <jtan325> wait, it looks like the default install for xine won't play mp3's
[01:59] <aaron_> Can someone please point me to a good mp3 player that has a media library like winamp or itunes?
[01:59] <Leliel_Stormhawk> aaron_, xmms is very like winamp
[01:59] <Seveas> Leliel_Stormhawk, you can find a howto on ubuntuforms.org
[02:00] <aaron_> jtan325, try downloading xmms
[02:00] <selinium> aaron_ XMMS
[02:00] <krueger> yeah... try xmms
[02:00] <jtan325> right
[02:00] <jtan325> and that's not playing anything
[02:00] <SuperSheeP> eh  ?
[02:00] <jtan325> maybe my sound isn't set up
[02:00] <Seveas> aaron_, beep-media-player
[02:00] <aaron_> Leliel_Stormhawk, yeah but it doesn't have a media player like winamp 5
[02:00] <sktrdie> does anyone here use UBUNTU on PPC
[02:00] <jtan325> actually no i hear the ubuntu sounds
[02:00] <jtan325> so hmmmm
[02:00] <aaron_> thanks seveas
[02:00] <SuperSheeP> Kafeine on UBUNTU ? ?
[02:00] <sktrdie> does anyone here use UBUNTU on a powerbook?
[02:00] <Seveas> sktrdie, some people do...
[02:01] <krueger> my brother does...
[02:01] <aaron_> Leliel_Stormhawk, I haven't ever had problems with my audigy under debian. what seems to be the problem?
[02:01] <sktrdie> i would like to know how compatible it is
[02:01] <Leliel_Stormhawk> aaron_, notuing coming out f the speakers
[02:01] <sktrdie> do all the packages work on PPC also?
[02:01] <sktrdie> without any problem?
[02:01] <Seveas> sktrdie, yes
[02:01] <krueger> yes...
[02:01] <Seveas> except for flash and other non-free stuff
[02:01] <me> aaron_, i would recommend beep-media-player instead of xmms, its the same engine with better graphics and support for languages
[02:01] <sktrdie> Seveas: what about other adjustments?
[02:01] <aaron_> thanks me!
[02:01] <krueger> it works as good on a mac as pc
[02:02] <me> aaron_, ;)
[02:02] <KhaBal> hello
[02:02] <Seveas> sktrdie, by default powerbook hardware works with Ubuntu
[02:02] <krueger> hello
[02:02] <Seveas> except for the airport extreme
[02:02] <aaron_> Leliel_Stormhawk, hmmm, is this a default install?
[02:02] <Seveas> (another example of non-openness)
[02:02] <Leliel_Stormhawk> aaron_, about 25 minutes old
[02:03] <krueger> jeg er lam
[02:03] <sktrdie> Seveas: i havent really ever tried the atp-get kind of package tool
[02:03] <sktrdie> Seveas: does it also download the dependecy
[02:03] <Seveas> sktrdie, yes
[02:03] <k31th> i havent had fish n chips for weeks now
[02:03] <Seveas> that is the great strength of apt :)
[02:03] <sktrdie> Seveas: let's say I just installed UBUNTU.. os i type: atp-get azureus
[02:04] <sktrdie> it will also install Java?
[02:04] <elmago> can someone help me http://rafb.net/paste/results/omoOGi46.html
[02:04] <elmago> [14:03]  <elmago> i like to install new ipw220 driver and when i enter the command make i get this error
[02:04] <Seveas> azureus is not in the repositories...
[02:04] <k31th> no
[02:04] <aaron_> Leliel_Stormhawk, Are you new to linux too?
[02:04] <sktrdie> Seveas: well something the same
[02:04] <sktrdie> where do I see thelist of the apt-get packages?
[02:04] <elmago> so can someone tell me what to do?
[02:04] <`crimsun> sktrdie, packages.ubuntu.com
[02:05] <Seveas> sktrdie, you can browse through it with synaptic (system -> admin -> synaptic) or via http://packages.ubuntu.com
[02:05] <krueger> jeg er lam
[02:05] <corza> can someone plz help me with NVIDIA drivers?
[02:05] <Seveas> krueger, we speak english in here...
[02:05] <Seveas> corza: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:05] <KhaBal> seveas ?
[02:05] <Seveas> KhaBal, ?
[02:05] <krueger> :D
[02:05] <krueger> hmm
[02:05] <selinium> KhaBal
[02:05] <KhaBal> Seveas: werent u helping me with my html?
[02:05] <KhaBal> oh wrong person lol!
[02:06] <Seveas> KhaBal, no, I said it was off-topic for this channel :)
[02:06] <KhaBal> yes
[02:07] <corza> can someone help me with my Nvidia Erorr, No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel
[02:07] <Poromies> sktrdie: you can get azureus from the masked repositories/backports
[02:07] <sktrdie> I see... I think I might install Ubuntu on my powerbook..
[02:07] <`crimsun> corza, if you enable the Nvidia drivers using the method described on the web page that Seveas mentioned, you won't need to compile them.
[02:07] <Seveas> afaik backports has no ppc packages...
[02:07] <krueger> it would be a great Idea :D
[02:07] <Poromies> sktrdie: more info on repos i.e. in http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:07] <sktrdie> I have Gentoo now! it is wonderfull.. but compiling sometimes is annoying
[02:08] <corza> i've already done that crimsun. but it doesnt work
[02:08] <`crimsun> corza, Ubuntu includes them by default.
[02:08] <Poromies> ach, youre on ppc
[02:08] <Seveas> Poromies, ubuntuguide is bad
[02:08] <Seveas> do NOT recommend it
[02:08] <Poromies> sry then :)
[02:08] <`crimsun> corza, you followed all the instructions?
[02:08] <Leliel_Stormhawk> aaron_, just left fedora core, after redhat started annoying me
[02:08] <Poromies> Seveas: i have found it pretty helpful for me
[02:08] <Poromies> O.o
[02:08] <corza> `crimsun yes
[02:08] <Poromies> why is it bad?
[02:08] <`crimsun> corza, did you post your Xorg logfile anywhere?
[02:09] <krueger> It takes time to upgrade with a 256 KB bandwich :D
[02:09] <corza> indeed.. hold on i'll just find the forum
[02:09] <corza> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=235239#post235239
[02:09] <Seveas> Poromies, suboptimal to wrong solutions, no explanations at all, author is not cooperating...
[02:11] <sktrdie> is the Ubuntu package tool the same as the Debian?
[02:11] <corza> no
[02:11] <corza> very different
[02:11] <aaron_> Leliel_Stormhawk, have you google, searched and checked out the Ubuntu wiki, read the FAQ etc?
[02:11] <sktrdie> is it bigger?
[02:11] <chrissturm> sktrdie, its basically the same
[02:12] <abbe80> I am running ubuntu. How can I see the cpu temp  ?
[02:12] <sktrdie> cat /proc/cpuinfo?
[02:12] <Seveas> cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/*/temperature
[02:12] <`crimsun> sktrdie, it's the same. The frontend is slightly different.
[02:12] <abbe80> ok
[02:12] <abbe80> thanks
[02:13] <Seveas> or use gdesklets :)
[02:13] <Seveas> sktrdie, apt-get is apt-get
[02:13] <Seveas> no difference there
[02:14] <Seveas> same for other apt tools, they are the same in Ubuntu and Debian...
[02:14] <abbe80> I didn't see the temperature
[02:14] <`crimsun> corza, I don't see the logfile anywhere
[02:14] <`crimsun> corza, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, that is
[02:15] <Leliel_Stormhawk> aaron_, no matter, fixed it now, was outputting on the wrong line
[02:15] <sktrdie> Seveas: i see... well do you advice Ubuntu over gentoo?
[02:16] <corza> k hold on..
[02:16] <Seveas> sktrdie, absolutely :)
[02:16] <jo> take 2
[02:16] <elmago> http://rafb.net/paste/results/omoOGi46.html
[02:16] <Seveas> sktrdie, but as an Ubuntu fan I am biased of course
[02:16] <sktrdie> Seveas: well Gentoo is extremely adjustable
[02:16] <elmago> plz can somebody help me
[02:16] <elmago> i want to install new ipw2200 driver
[02:16] <Seveas> sktrdie, Ubuntu is too...
[02:17] <Seveas> sktrdie, but Ubuntu comes with Sensible Defaults(tm)
[02:17] <sktrdie> I see, because I'm full of errrors when emerging stuff in  Getnoo...
[02:17] <corza> `crimsum http://pastebin.com/305414
[02:17] <sktrdie> Seveas: what do you  mean
[02:17] <sktrdie> Sensible Defaults
[02:19] <Seveas> sktrdie, I mean that by default the settings of the systems are really good and don't require much tweaking
[02:19] <pmjdebruijn> does anybody here know how I can use the Sound Juicer to rip my music to MP3? Do I need to install gstreamer-lame or something, anyway that's not in the repository
[02:20] <deliad> hey guys
[02:20] <deliad> problem
[02:20] <deliad> i have 2 sound cards
[02:20] <deliad> how i can choose who be the default for play music?
[02:21] <deliad> :|
[02:22] <deliad> how i can choose who be the default for play music?
[02:22] <Whistler> how do i remove ati driver
[02:22] <Whistler> ?
[02:23] <liable> Whistler: was it a deb?
[02:23] <Whistler> nope
[02:23] <liable> and... it was.....
[02:23] <Whistler> sh
[02:23] <sktrdie> Seveas: I see.. It comes with defualt installation of X? and GNOME?
[02:23] <Whistler> file
[02:23] <liable> make uninstall
[02:24] <Whistler> how?
[02:24] <liable> in the directory, where the source is.
[02:24] <respinK-[PoK] > anyone experience with ubuntu running on a pc like Celeren ca 413MHz, 128MB, 10GB, 8MB ATi Rage?
[02:25] <pmjdebruijn> respinK-[PoK] , should run reasonably... but it won't fly...
[02:25] <respinK-[PoK] > k
[02:25] <respinK-[PoK] > thnx
[02:25] <pmjdebruijn> respinK-[PoK] , adding a bit of ram to a total of 256 might improve your situation a bit...
[02:26] <respinK-[PoK] > just want it as a office and INet PC... to sell it at University. Think so too bout the ram, but those 128mb are my last SDR sticks. ;-)
[02:28] <pmjdebruijn> respinK-[PoK] , like i said should work reasonably... but don't expect it to fly...
[02:28] <respinK-[PoK] > you hear a lot about the so called "very, very, veeeery bad" ATi Linux support. Does that only apply to the new RadeOn Cards, or do i have to face complications with my Rage, too?
[02:28] <pmjdebruijn> respinK-[PoK] , no very old card have good 2D support and some (probably not yours) have 3D support too
[02:29] <pmjdebruijn> Radeon 7000 - 9250 have reasonably good opensource drivers
[02:29] <respinK-[PoK] > k, i c
[02:29] <deliad> how i can choose who be the default for play music?
[02:29] <pmjdebruijn> anything newer than a 9250 requires ATi sucky proprietary drivers
[02:29] <liable> respinK-[PoK] : 7500 here supported by the kenel with 3D, shitty speeds, but I dont game.
[02:30] <rasputnik> respinK-[PoK]  : depends what ui you're running. lose gnome and it'll be cool (though the more ram you can feed it the better)
[02:30] <Whistler> i have got 9600
[02:31] <Whistler> and i cant make hardware acceleration work
[02:31] <geko> guys guys anyone uses firefox and mplayer plugin?
[02:31] <Whistler> =[
[02:31] <respinK-[PoK] > liable well thats a quite fast card in comparison to my Rage. But as i said, its just office and stuff... Really dont wanna try to run 3d games or so on a Celeron like mine...;)
[02:34] <respinK-[PoK] > btw ram: what do i have to do to make a swap partition? I was stuck trying to install slackware at that point. Anything special here or is ubuntu less demanding in that point?
[02:35] <jtan325> hmm
[02:36] <jtan325> my internet doesn't work when i login
[02:36] <geko> guys
[02:36] <liable> respinK-[PoK] : try at least 500 mgs
[02:36] <jtan325> but then i start messing around with some network settings and then it does
[02:36] <geko> i have installed kde env, using apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[02:36] <geko> i wanna remove it due some space problem
[02:36] <geko> but if i select it from synaptic
[02:36] <geko> it doesn't removes all the package it installed
[02:36] <jtan325> or is it due to the ethernet device taking time to load?
[02:37] <me> silly question: how can i check how much RAM my computer has (in general) [its not my computer, its my friends] 
[02:37] <liable> geko: there should be a menu to purge all files iirc.
[02:37] <Seveas> me, cat /proc/meminfo
[02:37] <neofeed> How do I build a driver inside the Ubuntu kernel tree?
[02:37] <Seveas> geko, use debfoster
[02:37] <rootbeer> morning all
[02:38] <Seveas> neofeed, with module-assistant
[02:38] <neofeed> make modules modules_install obviously does not do it.
[02:38] <sktrdie> is this the official ubuntu channel?
[02:38] <jtan325> actually, uh i can't use firefox or gaim or anything else
[02:38] <Seveas> sktrdie, yes
[02:38] <jtan325> my internet is partially broken
[02:38] <jtan325> i can only use xchat
[02:38] <jtan325> what is going on?
[02:38] <neofeed> Seveas, where do I find that?
[02:39] <neofeed> Seveas, thanks, found it
[02:39] <liable> jtan325: is it wireless? behind a router? dhcp? firewall? more details...
[02:39] <geko> thx guys
[02:39] <jtan325> it's on a campus network
[02:40] <jtan325> i think it's dhcp, because the static ip option doesn't let me do anything (can't click OK)
[02:40] <jtan325> when i try to go to google, it doesn't connect. same with gaim
[02:40] <jtan325> but how am i even talking here then....
[02:41] <me> Seveas, the memtotal is the RAM + swap or just ram ?
[02:42] <jtan325> liable: any ideas?
[02:42] <dbernar1> jtan325: wireless?
[02:42] <jtan325> nooe
[02:42] <jtan325> nope, ethernet
[02:42] <dbernar1> ping something.
[02:42] <Seveas> me, just mem
[02:42] <jtan325> yeah pinging google says it can't find it
[02:43] <Seveas> there is a swaptotal too :)
[02:43] <dbernar1> ping your university site.
[02:43] <dbernar1> by name
[02:43] <liable> jtan325: what does 'sudo ifconfig' say?
[02:44] <jtan325> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0D:56:3A:97:0F
[02:44] <jtan325>           inet addr:128.208.151.193  Bcast:128.208.151.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[02:44] <jtan325>           inet6 addr: fe80::20d:56ff:fe3a:970f/64 Scope:Link
[02:44] <jtan325>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[02:44] <jtan325>           RX packets:2764 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[02:44] <jtan325>           TX packets:387 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[02:44] <jtan325>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[02:44] <jtan325>           RX bytes:312636 (305.3 KiB)  TX bytes:35900 (35.0 KiB)
[02:44] <Seveas> jtan325, NEVER paste in here
[02:44] <Seveas> read the topic
[02:44] <b_e_n_z> thank you!
[02:44] <geko> thx to all
[02:44] <geko> now is fine
[02:45] <geko> my only problem is that mplayer plugin for firefox, doesn't display video
[02:45] <geko> it buffers
[02:45] <dbernar1> Seveas: so, when is he gonna be speaking?
[02:45] <rasputnik> jtan325 : what else have you tried? do you mean 'the web is broken'
[02:45] <geko> and play it, but doesn't show anything
[02:45] <dbernar1> oh
[02:45] <Seveas> jtan325, if you paste in here again, you will be banned.
[02:45] <jtan325> sorry seveas
[02:45] <jtan325> and everyone else
[02:45] <dbernar1> thats fine.
[02:45] <dbernar1> now, did you try pinging the university site by name?
[02:46] <jtan325> i haven't slept all night :-)
[02:46] <jtan325> ok one sec
[02:47] <jtan325> says it couldn't be found
[02:47] <dbernar1> ok, now ping 64.233.167.104
[02:47] <jtan325> i am doing this through "network tools"
[02:47] <dbernar1> go into a terminal
[02:47] <dbernar1> ping www.example.com
[02:47] <dbernar1> on any os
[02:48] <dbernar1> does pinging an IP work?
[02:48] <rasputnik> jtan325: I can see you from here ok (in washington yeah?)
[02:48] <jtan325> ping: unknown host www.google.com
[02:48] <jtan325> yes
[02:48] <dbernar1> ping the IP address above
[02:48] <rasputnik> jtan325: your dns is borked
[02:48] <dbernar1> obviously. lets see if he can ping IPs.
[02:48] <lesshaste> #linux
[02:49] <liable> jtan325: ping 66.102.7.99
[02:49] <jtan325> example.com doesn't work either
[02:49] <lesshaste> has anyone got google earth to work in linux yet?
[02:49] <jtan325> hey that one worked
[02:49] <dbernar1> ok, good.
[02:49] <rasputnik> dbernar1 : he's online mate. that's as good a network test as anything
[02:50] <liable> jtan325: ok, whats, 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' say?
[02:50] <rasputnik> jtan325 : paste /etc/resolv.conf into rafb.net/paste
[02:50] <dbernar1> do cat /etc/network/interfaces after too
[02:50] <jtan325> nameserver 192.168.1.1
[02:50] <Seveas> only that..?
[02:50] <jtan325> that's all it say
[02:50] <Matthew> I get an error 12 when I try to boot Ubuntu from hard drive
[02:50] <Seveas> jtan325, the router you connect to is b0rked
[02:51] <jtan325> hrmm but all i've done is plug into the wall
[02:51] <rasputnik> Seveas : what? his internal dns server is screwed, is all.
[02:51] <bagel> how is (personal experience) ubuntu's pcmcia support?
[02:51] <jtan325> with an ethernet cable
[02:51] <dbernar1> jtan325: do the command I gave you above, and paste it to that pastebin,.
[02:51] <liable> someone give him a dns address.
[02:51] <jtan325> but i did
[02:51] <jtan325> that's what it produced, "nameserver 192.168.1.1"
[02:51] <jtan325> (that's all)
[02:52] <rasputnik> jtan325 : he means the '/etc/network/interfaces' bit.
[02:52] <dbernar1> 4.2.2.1 I think is verizon, or sbc.
[02:52] <liable> jtan325: paste the output of 'cat /etc/network/interfaces' to rafb.net
[02:52] <rasputnik> jtan325 : how are you connecting? through uni?
[02:52] <jtan325> yes
[02:52] <jtan325> how can i paste to rafb.net
[02:52] <selinium> How do I logoff another user remotely?
[02:52] <dbernar1> hehe
[02:53] <rasputnik> jtan325 : ah good point hehe
[02:53] <jtan325> i can't connect...
[02:53] <liable> jtan325: /J #flood, and paste there.
[02:53] <sime> How can I get the digital out working on my soundblaster card working ?
[02:53] <dbernar1> 142.161.130.155
[02:53] <dbernar1> is rafb.net
[02:53] <jtan325> well i pasted in flood
[02:53] <Matthew> can someone help me with a hassle] 
[02:54] <corza> i'm having trouble with installing nvidia drivers
[02:54] <topyli> Matthew: depends on the nature of the hassle :)
[02:54] <corza> "No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel"
[02:54] <Matthew> topyli: I get an error 12 when I try to boot Ubuntu from hard drive
[02:54] <geko> guys need i some sort of plugin for mplayer to see wmv files?
[02:54] <corza> anyone recognise that message?
[02:55] <Seveas> corza, do NOT install drivers from nvidia.com
[02:55] <geko> if i open a such file, it freezes
[02:55] <rasputnik> jtan325 : look mate,your dns is broken. you need a valid nameserver to put in /etc/resolv.conf, and we can't tell you one. you need your network admin or isp
[02:55] <corza> Seveas, i have tried the other tutorials.. it made things worse
[02:55] <Seveas> corza, simly use the linux-restricted-modules package and nvidia-glx-enable
[02:55] <Seveas> that is ALL
[02:55] <berkes> oi
[02:55] <corza> I have done that
[02:55] <Leliel_Stormhawk> Seveas, why is that?
[02:56] <corza> already! it did not fix the problem, it made it worse
[02:56] <Seveas> corza, maybe you screwed it up by trying other things first...
[02:56] <aurax> hello
[02:56] <dbernar1> yo
[02:56] <aurax> whats up
[02:56] <jtan325> hmm that didn't fix it
[02:56] <berkes> i have this module I try to compile, but it keeps looking for /usr/src/linux/Makefile
[02:56] <corza> maybe i didnt, because i didnt do fucking shit first
[02:56] <rasputnik> jtan325 : what didn't fix it
[02:56] <Seveas> geko, you ned w32codecs
[02:56] <jtan325> adding the dns
[02:56] <berkes> i thought that installing linux-source would do the trick, but that seems to have only installed a tarball
[02:56] <Leliel_Stormhawk> Seveas, why shoudl one not use the drivers provided by nvidia?
[02:56] <Seveas> corza, well, than you did it wrong....
[02:57] <dbernar1> ok, put in 142.161.130.155
[02:57] <Seveas> Leliel_Stormhawk, these are incorporated in the linux-restricted-modules package
[02:57] <KhaBal> whats the difference betwen ubuntu and debian?
[02:57] <jtan325> what doesn't make sense is a) how am i talking on xchat at all, and b) internet was completely fine the last time i logged on, which was like 30 minutes ago
[02:57] <Seveas> and this package integrates much cleaner with the Ubuntu system
[02:57] <jtan325> dbernar1: ok
[02:57] <corza> i have posted it on ubuntu forums and they had said use them drivers from nvidia.com
[02:57] <Leliel_Stormhawk> Seveas, that does not answer the question. why shoudl you not get your drivers from nvidia.com?
[02:57] <Seveas> jtan325, it loooks like the internal dns server of the router has gone dead
[02:57] <dbernar1> jtan325: ?? hehe, you should have just unplugged, plugged back in, if it worked before.
[02:57] <berkes> any more hints on where to get the kernel sourcecode
[02:57] <`crimsun> corza, I'll read your posted logfile momentarily. (at work)
[02:57] <Seveas> Leliel_Stormhawk, read please...
[02:58] <`crimsun> berkes, linux-tree-2.6.10
[02:58] <KhaBal> corza: i have a nvidia driver, dont you just go to synaptic and look for nvidia and install all the things list on nvidia?
[02:58] <Seveas> it DOES answer that question...
[02:58] <berkes> aha tree :)
[02:58] <selinium> I have a user on gdmflexiserver that has not come up properly, how do i 'kill' them ! Mwuu Ha Ha Haaar
[02:58] <berkes> thanks
[02:58] <Seveas> selinium, sudo su to that user and issue a kill -9 -1 :)
[02:58] <jtan325> dbernar1: that doesn't work either
[02:58] <Leliel_Stormhawk> Seveas, no it doesn't, since if i have a customised kernel, the ubuntu provided drivers will not work
[02:58] <Seveas> Leliel_Stormhawk, you never said that...
[02:58] <jtan325> oh wait
[02:58] <corza> KhaBal, that didnt work for me. I am pretty sure it is because my Video Card is not compatible
[02:58] <jtan325> jeeezes it worked!!!
[02:59] <jtan325> thanks a bunch
[02:59] <Matthew> Can anyone help me?  I get an error 12 when I try to boot Ubuntu from hard drive
[02:59] <KhaBal> corza: hmm could be but it worked for me 5 min job
[02:59] <KhaBal> guys whats the difference between debian and ubuntu/>
[02:59] <Seveas> Leliel_Stormhawk, customizing the kernel is a thing rarely done in modern linux distributions such as ubuntu
[02:59] <jtan325> dbernar1: this is ridiculous, did my dns servers get deleted or something?
[02:59] <selinium> Seveas: Cheers!
[02:59] <Seveas> modules solve this
[02:59] <dbernar1> welcome, thats not a fix tho, ask yuour network admin if anything is wrong with the network, and if not, ask him for the nameserver.
[02:59] <Leliel_Stormhawk> Seveas, i've allready had to do it more than once
[03:00] <berkes> KhaBal, that cannot be said in one sentence
[03:00] <dbernar1> jtan325: I think it just did not come up. DHCP can screw up, for this or that reason.
[03:00] <corza> KhaBal, when i change nv to nvidia, and remove dri etc.. it displays EXTREMELy blurry,, faded squinting very close to the screen to actually see what it has on the monitor, the only way i could see was changing xorg back to nv
[03:00] <KhaBal> berkes: lol
[03:00] <dbernar1> I thnk next time you sign in, it will work.
[03:00] <Leliel_Stormhawk> Seveas, what breaks, if you use nvidia.com drivers?
[03:00] <Seveas> Matthew, have you maybe removed a disk from your system..?
[03:00] <berkes> in a nutshell: debian is for gurus, ubunutu for human beings
[03:00] <Seveas> Leliel_Stormhawk, nothing if you install them *properly*, however properly installing them is not an easy thing to do for new users...
[03:00] <dbernar1> well, not even gurus, but, yeah, a noob is more lost in debian.
[03:01] <KhaBal> corza: did you try looking at ubuntu forums, google?
[03:01] <topyli> Matthew: when does it fail? do you see the boot loader?
[03:01] <rob^> berkes, nah, ubuntu is for desktops, debian is for servers
[03:01] <jtan325> dbernar1: i see. yeah, my speed is visibly slower
[03:01] <Learsi> how do i start samba? I searched the documentation on http://www.ubuntulinux.org and there ZER0 results...? i don't get it
[03:01] <Matthew> Seveas:  This is a new installation of Ubuntu
[03:01] <Seveas> rob^, complete nonsense...
[03:01] <KhaBal> berkes: i see :) but anyone could use debian
[03:01] <berkes> rob^, not really
[03:01] <jtan325> dbernar1: so i should just log out and log back in?
[03:01] <dbernar1> cause you are looking up DNS in Canada:)
[03:01] <Leliel_Stormhawk> Seveas, installing them properly is a completel walk in the park, unless ubuntu does somethign strange
[03:01] <rob^> hehe debian vs ubuntu wars
[03:01] <dbernar1> sure, try that, but remember the IP addresses of teh DNS, so at least something works.
[03:01] <berkes> rob^ I know a lot of ppl who use ubuntu for servers and debian for desktops
[03:01] <jtan325> dbernar1: hahahaha awesome. so dhcp is something that automatically resolves names
[03:01] <jtan325> dbernar1: or does it find the dns
[03:02] <rob^> berkes, I used to be one of those debian desktop people
[03:02] <KhaBal> i might try Debian one day sounds more powerful than ubuntu
[03:02] <berkes> rob^, ubuntu even has a special server setup
[03:02] <dbernar1> any time network doesw not work, always reboot, try connecting several times.
[03:02] <rob^> yeah I installed that a few days ago
[03:02] <Seveas> Leliel_Stormhawk, installing them properly is a walk in the park of you know what you are doing, but remember that new users usually are quite clueless about such things
[03:02] <KhaBal> jtan325: i have dhcp automatically detects internet
[03:02] <dbernar1> Looks up DNS servers.
[03:02] <lucer> hi
[03:02] <berkes> `crimsun, that -tree thing did not really solve my issue it seems,
[03:02] <dbernar1> and gives youi an IP address, and stuff.
[03:02] <dbernar1> stuff in particular.
[03:02] <Seveas> plus, upgrading is much easier using the ubuntu packages...
[03:02] <liable> KhaBal: not more powerfull, you just have to configure it yourself.
[03:02] <berkes> I now have a linux-patches in src, but still no linux source :)
[03:02] <lucer> how i can configure my interface wireless eth0 with wlan0???
[03:02] <jtan325> dbernar1: "try connecting several times" what do you mean by that
[03:02] <KhaBal> liable: like harder to use?
[03:03] <jtan325> dbernar1: log out/log in?
[03:03] <dbernar1> like if it dont work, disco, and connect again,
[03:03] <dbernar1> yeah, unplug, leave it off.
[03:03] <Seveas> if you use a standard ubuntu kernel and self-installed drivers, things will break when you upgrade your kernel...
[03:03] <KhaBal> dbernarl: whats the problem?
[03:03] <aaron_> can someone please tell me how to change the default file associations? e.g. when I open a file in the file browser, change the default application which opens that file.
[03:03] <dbernar1> then plug back in, and connect again.
[03:03] <jtan325> dbernar1: gotcha
[03:03] <dbernar1> KhaBal: dber<tab>
[03:03] <liable> KhaBal: not really, but doesnt have some of the scripts and kernel modules ubuntu has, so you have to compile and configure.
[03:03] <berkes> Seveas, were you commenting to me, there?
[03:03] <Seveas> aaron_, rightclick on the file, select properties
[03:03] <Learsi> so what do i type to get the server config statrts that your talking about, please?
[03:03] <Seveas> berkes, not at all
[03:04] <dbernar1> aaron_: Open With tab.
[03:04] <berkes> because I try to compile a module/driver too :)
[03:04] <KhaBal> liable: sounds interesting, i love solving problems ATM im trying to get my website working with LAMP
[03:04] <dbernar1> But, you have to open with something else first through right click for more porgrams to be listed.
[03:04] <Matthew> Topyli: It says GRUB loading please wait... then Error 18
[03:04] <liable> KhaBal: try it :)
[03:04] <KhaBal> Gentoo From Scratch: hardest and most educational experience you'll ever have
[03:05] <rasputnik> Matthem: it was 12 a minute ago
[03:05] <KhaBal> liable; didnt know what to download theres all these flavours lol
[03:05] <dbernar1> KhaBal: do you like chocolate or vanilla better, or perhaps strawberry, its a matter of tastes.
[03:05] <Matthew> rasputnik:sorry I just checked it again
[03:05] <KhaBal> lol
[03:06] <KhaBal> what debian made in india?
[03:06] <KhaBal> theres a place called debai there or soemthing
[03:06] <dbernar1> KhaBal: there is a post on the debian FAQ on how to set up lamp, maybe there is one on the ubuntu wiki
[03:06] <topyli> Matthew: hrm. fixing grub is a bit complicated. boot from a rescue cd-rom, mount your root partition, chroot to it, grub-install
[03:06] <dbernar1> Deb+Ian
[03:06] <KhaBal> dbernarl: is setting up like how to install or how to use it?
[03:06] <aaron_> Seveas, dbernarl: I mean globaly for that particular file type?
[03:06] <dbernar1> dber<tab>
[03:06] <`crimsun> berkes, you need linux-headers-$(uname -r) to compile kernel modules
[03:06] <corza> `crimsun .any progress?
[03:06] <dbernar1> its a 1
[03:06] <rasputnik> Matthew: did something change, or is this a new install
[03:07] <Seveas> aaron_, that changes it globallt
[03:07] <Seveas> globally*
[03:07] <berkes> KhaBal, you should consider using the 'server' parameter when installing ubuntu
[03:07] <Seveas> (for the current user)
[03:07] <dbernar1> how to install
[03:07] <`crimsun> berkes, you didn't ask for the headers, you asked for the source, hence my previous answer
[03:07] <KhaBal> berkes: dont remember what i installed
[03:07] <jtan325> dbernar1: yay i found the ip addresses of the campus "caching servers"
[03:07] <`crimsun> corza, in a few minutes, I'm busy preparing for a transcontinental flight
[03:07] <dbernar1> good stuff. caching? I guess another name for it...
[03:07] <jtan325> dbernar1: just curious, how was i still able to use xchat though
[03:07] <corza> okay...
[03:07] <Matthew> topyli:thanks but I don't know how to do that
[03:07] <dbernar1> cause you had an IP address.
[03:08] <rasputnik> jtan325 : cool that's your dns servers
[03:08] <dbernar1> But no Domain Name resolution, so you could not convert from www.google.com to 63.245.34.34
[03:08] <berkes> `crimsun, okay, I have these. Should i simply place a symlink linx to linux-header*** ?
[03:08] <rasputnik> jtan325, dbernar1 : odd that xchat uses an IP though?
[03:09] <Matthew> rasputnik:No, this is a new installation I think I just read the error code wrong
[03:09] <dbernar1> rasputnik: likely a cache:)
[03:09] <neofeed> okay module-assistant did not help... I have injected/modified some of the code of a module...
[03:09] <neofeed> how do I now compile that module? and install it?
[03:09] <KhaBal> i might try slackware, tried it before really difficult half of the packages weren't installed lol and the man pages werent a help either
[03:09] <dep1> anyone know where to download windows fonts for linux? (arial,times,..)
[03:10] <Seveas> dep1, search for the msttcorefonts package
[03:10] <KhaBal> dep1: gnome, KDE, fluxbox?
[03:10] <dep1> KDE
[03:10] <KhaBal> try the KDE website
[03:10] <jtan325> dbernar1, rasputnik what is the "search domain"
[03:10] <aaron_> Seveas, dbernarl: oh? thanks!
[03:10] <dbernar1> dudes, its a one
[03:10] <Learsi> slack as a server isn't bad...was running in a couple hours and i knew nothing about linux
[03:10] <topyli> Matthew: maybe this helps: http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=232
[03:10] <dbernar1> dber<tab>
[03:11] <topyli> Matthew: assuminig it is a grub problem at all
[03:11] <berkes> aargh. now the module that compiles needs a directory /lib/modules/2.6.10/build
[03:11] <Seveas> dep1, it is in hoary multiverse
[03:11] <Learsi> exit
[03:11] <corza> `crimsun if u could post it on that forum would be wonderful coz i gotta go thanx
[03:11] <berkes> any clues where I can find or get that?
[03:11] <Matthew> topyli:thanks
[03:11] <KhaBal> learsi: i see i recon ubuntu the best
[03:11] <berkes> qqh, NM, my error
[03:12] <Sturmkind> hello
[03:12] <jtan325> dbernar1, rasputnik : thanks alot man, i am going to catch a few hours of nap time before going to work.
[03:12] <Learsi> KhaBal: maybe...i'm trying to set it up as a server now
[03:12] <dbernar1> jtan325: no idea, never heard, google helps.
[03:12] <dbernar1> ok, go dude.
[03:13] <Sturmkind> after a new ubuntu installation ther is a folder /.dev and a folder /dev. what happens?
[03:13] <KhaBal> Learsi: what kind of server?
[03:13] <dbernar1> I gotta get those Vorandesh Yenbut fonts...
[03:14] <Learsi> http/mysql/php, samba and ftp would be nice
[03:14] <Seveas> Sturmkind, /.dev is a backup of the old static /dev
[03:14] <Seveas>  /dev in ubuntu is managed by udev instead of devfs
[03:14] <dbernar1> aptitude install apache proftpd/vsftpd
[03:15] <dbernar1> proftpd is ftp, vsftpd is sftp
[03:15] <dbernar1> choose one.
[03:15] <Learsi> ummm ok i'll enter it...thanks
[03:15] <Seveas> dbernar1, vsftpd can do both
[03:15] <Sturmkind> Seveas: ah thank you. so i shouldn't kill /.dev
[03:15] <Seveas> proftpd might be able to do both too (not sure)
[03:15] <dbernar1> Seveas: I dont like it, it dont let me login using command line
[03:15] <dbernar1> I would need to learn.
[03:15] <Seveas> Sturmkind, it does not take up space, so you shouldn't unless you have a good reason
[03:16] <Seveas> ftp is a crappy protocol anyway security wise
[03:16] <dbernar1> ya
[03:16] <Seveas> better use an ssh connection with scp / mc or nautilus
[03:16] <dbernar1> totally bad, I couldnt believe it when I found out.
[03:16] <Sturmkind> Seveas: thank you! ;-)
[03:17] <aaron_> Sturmkind, I agree with Seveas. scp is more secure
[03:17] <dbernar1> Do you think you can ssh -X into linux from OS X?
[03:17] <dbernar1> aaron_: Sturmkind had nothing to do with the conversation,
[03:17] <aaron_> ah
[03:17] <Seveas> dbernar1, if you have X running on your osx system, yes
[03:17] <dbernar1> nice
[03:17] <aaron_> lol
[03:18] <dbernar1> I think Ill try it now.
[03:18] <Sturmkind> aaron_: not my question *g*
[03:18] <aaron_> yeah i know,
[03:18] <aaron_> my bad
[03:20] <dbernar1> you are now banned.
[03:20] <dbernar1> from eternia
[03:20] <dbernar1> ?
[03:20] <rasputnik> dbernar1 : yes, but you need a local Xserver
[03:20] <dbernar1> wheres that from? where did I get that from? he-man?
[03:20] <Grooby_> hey all, ive install ubuntu on my desktop replacing XP last night
[03:20] <dbernar1> yay!
[03:20] <rasputnik> Seveas : sftp is the way to go (assuming users have local account)
[03:20] <dbernar1> hehe
[03:20] <Grooby_> so far so good but for some reason, NFS seems really really slow
[03:21] <Learsi> us there great advantage over ftp verson sftp... i'll google that actually
[03:21] <Grooby_> forum said i need to modprobe nvnet with options to enable duplex
[03:21] <Grooby_> yet i don't have the nvnet module
[03:21] <rasputnik> Learsi : no, ftp is feckin evil
[03:21] <Seveas> rasputnik, pureftpd can use sftp with virtual accounts....
[03:21] <Seveas> I assume vsftpd can do that too...
[03:21] <rasputnik> Learsi : handy for public files, but thats' it. anything not public shouldn't be on it
[03:21] <Learsi> sftp is it then or are you sayin g both are bad
[03:22] <rasputnik> Seveas : I was thinking of the built-in sftp server in sshd
[03:22] <Learsi> well that
[03:22] <Seveas> rasputnik, that requires local accounts indeed
[03:22] <rasputnik> Learsi : sftp is fine, it's just another way of talking to ssh
[03:22] <Learsi> is what i want it for...serving some files and that sort of thing
[03:22] <cashew> Anyone got a dual screen nvidia working without the binary driver?
[03:22] <rob^^^> hrmm, if I get a bluetooth headset, what are the chances I can cajole it into working with gnome-meeting or the like?
[03:23] <dbernar1_> that is just incredible. I am amazed. (the -X thing from Mac to Linux.)
[03:23] <Learsi> the http server is the real prioority for me
[03:23] <rasputnik> Seveas : my current favourite is webdav over ssl, especially for web publishing.
[03:23] <rasputnik> dbernar_: where do you think they stole it from :)
[03:24] <Seveas> dbernar1, it can work from windows too
[03:24] <dbernar1_> no but I mean, it totally loads the whole X thing. Pretty nice.
[03:24] <Learsi> aptitude install apache /vsftpd
[03:24] <Sturmkind> so cya ;-)
[03:24] <Seveas> rasputnik, nonsense X has not been stolen from mac...
[03:24] <sly> cor=D
[03:24] <Learsi> oops that was damn
[03:24] <SleepyEye> Hi all.  Is it possible to make an account with an empty password work via telnet?  If so, how?
[03:24] <Learsi> dumb
[03:24] <rasputnik> Seveas : you parsed 'they' wrong
[03:24] <Seveas> :)
[03:24] <dbernar1_> I totally dont see why I would use the Mac anymore, hehe, well, not really. I can totally sign into my comp and do anything from there...
[03:24] <Seveas> not the other way around either
[03:24] <xoz> SleepyEye: man ssh. don't use telnet
[03:25] <Seveas> free things cannot be stolen
[03:25] <dbernar1_> altho, yeah, there are things which make it less desirable
[03:25] <rasputnik> SleepyEye : why in gods name would you want that
[03:25] <CarlFK> SleepyEye - why?  there is probably a much better way to achive what you want
[03:25] <Seveas> SleepyEye, you are asking: "is it possible to remove all locks from all doors of my house"
[03:25] <dbernar1_> ha, SleepyEye that would be just great, an account with no password for telnet
[03:25] <goldfish> It is possible, and quite possible to get rooted soon after.
[03:25] <sly> Seveas nice compare
[03:26] <SleepyEye> Private network....no security concern
[03:26] <Seveas> SleepyEye, passwordless ssh can be achieved with the use of ssh keys
[03:26] <xoz> SleepyEye: you can configure ssh to use ssh-agent authentication so that you don't have to type you passwd after you have been authenticated once
[03:26] <Seveas> ssh-add is nice :)
[03:27] <SleepyEye> The problem with that is the machines that will be connecting will be first time connections during "hands-off" install of Ubuntu.
[03:27] <Sly> i have a question is Ubuntu sticking to being a 1disk distro or a few releases down the line gonna change ?
[03:28] <alicia> I'm trying to add mp3's to Rhythmbox from a CD and it keeps saying that "there is no plugin to handle an MP3 file" Anyone know what's up?
[03:28] <CarlFK> SleepyEye - now I am realy sure htere ius a better way.  so again
[03:28] <CarlFK> SleepyEye - why?  there is probably a much better way to achive what you want
[03:28] <Seveas> SleepyEye, you cannot do that with the ubuntu installer...
[03:29] <rasputnik> SleepyEye : are you rolling your own installer?
[03:29] <tbrenner> does anyone know the command for installing xfce?
[03:29] <BobaFett> Hey guys ... anyone has had issues with rhythmbox?
[03:29] <rasputnik> tbrenner : apt-get install xfce ?
[03:29] <chrissturm> tbrenner, sudo apt-get install xfce4
[03:29] <SleepyEye> I'm doing it with ubuntu installer already.  Just need server to allow access to passwordless account
[03:30] <alicia> BobaFett, I am having problems importing mp3's
[03:30] <CarlFK> SleepyEye - here is how I do all my installs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalNetInstall
[03:30] <gm78> tbrenner, the version shipped with ubuntu is a bit out of date, u can get the latest version from xfce.org and it has a nice graphical installer
[03:30] <rasputnik> SleepyEye : if you really are secured, you could look at r(login|sh|cp)
[03:30] <dbernar1> so, can you then do the other way around? like, have an ssh server on the Mac, and ssh -X into it from Linux? you can right?
[03:31] <rasputnik> SleepyEye : (since telnet will expect a password, and they don't)
[03:31] <rasputnik> dbernar1 : hell yeah, it comes with openssl
[03:31] <rasputnik> *ssh
[03:31] <rob^^^> dbern: hey, can you reiterate your problem? I was semi-afk
[03:31] <SleepyEye> I tried rsh but it wanted password even though account was passwordless.
[03:32] <dbernar1> not a problem, question. It is as stated above exactly.
[03:32] <rasputnik> dbernar1 : if you have a VNC client, you can use that to get to your mac desktop too
[03:32] <dbernar1> meh, VNC, new...:-/
[03:32] <rob^^^> you can ssh into a Mac and get at all the X windows apps, but not the OS X native apps
[03:32] <dbernar1> aha, not the Mac apps, makes sense, cause they are not on X.
[03:32] <rasputnik> SleepyEye : you need the whole hosts.equiv voodoo. I'd look at ssh RSA keys with blank passwords if i was you
[03:32] <rob^^^> (btw, anyone know a quick and easy way to grep backlog in Xchat?
[03:32] <dbernar1> kk, good answer.
[03:33] <CarlFK> VNC server on Hoary - is there a way to get VNC Server (not client,  not X) to scale down a 1600x1200 desktop to 1024x768?
[03:33] <SleepyEye> rasputnik:  Thanks,  I was hoping to avoid anything that complicated.  I'm thinking about possibly doing it via an NFS share from the server.
[03:34] <BobaFett> Guys ... how can I clear out rhythmbox's configuration? I start it up and it freezes, and if I try to reinstall, it just keeps doing the same...
[03:34] <cafuego> CarlFK: Not the free one, no.
[03:34] <cafuego> CarlFK: The entreprise one can do that.
[03:34] <CarlFK> cafuego - rats.  thanks
[03:34] <cafuego> CarlFK: Thought using  abrowser on a 16001200 scaled down to 100x80 desktop is quite shit.
[03:34] <vniki> someone had installed mythtv on ubuntu?
[03:34] <CarlFK> cafuego?  what enterpirse one?
[03:35] <cafuego> CarlFK: yeh
[03:35] <rasputnik> CarlFK : are you running vncserver, or something else?
[03:35] <rob^^^> CarlFK: is this the VNC on Gnome, or OS X?
[03:35] <cafuego> CarlFK: www.realvnc.com
[03:35] <cafuego> CarlFK: It's payware, needsa  licence key
[03:35] <CarlFK> VNCserver on Ubuntu, Clients on win/mac/Linux
[03:35] <rob^^^> BTW, any depserado's care to take a stab at adding avahi support to Vino? That's a bit out of my league
[03:36] <rob^^^> CarlFK: you could probably do it via xrandr over ssh before connecting
[03:36] <SleepyEye> What I don't get is making passwordless accounts work on other linux distro's is easy.  Why is it such on ordeal with Ubuntu.
[03:36] <CarlFK> it is for a friend that for some reason likes the gui better than a shell
[03:36] <rob^^^> if I remember correctly, it used to be changing depth/dimensions used to cause the client to crap out
[03:36] <cafuego> CarlFK: Tell him to buy a decent screen ;-)
[03:36] <rasputnik> I used tightvnc all over the place a while back. It had a vncserver script that setup XVNC and the required forwarding. You could pass Xvnc a custom XF86Config if you want and set whatever resolution you like
[03:36] <CarlFK> cafuego - good plan!
[03:37] <cafuego> CarlFK: .. or run the remote desktop in 1024x768
[03:37] <rob^^^> rasputnik: well he probably wants vino
[03:37] <rob^^^> maybe not though, but that's my guess
[03:37] <CarlFK> rasputnik -  that was my idea: run UltraVnc server on win (whichis free and dos server side scaling) connect to that, the connect from that to Ubunto.. weee!!!
[03:37] <occy> heh
[03:37] <occy> has ANYONE found a good use for totem?
[03:38] <occy> out of the box it doesn't even play ogg video...which is open source!
[03:38] <occy> it's craptacular.
[03:38] <Justin> occy: install totem-xine ?
[03:38] <occy> Bastien is a friend of mine... but... heh
[03:38] <rasputnik> rob^^: to export an existing desktop? yeah, that's doable but I prefer running multiple ones myself
[03:38] <BobaFett> Guys ... how can I clear out rhythmbox's configuration? I start it up and it freezes, and if I try to reinstall, it just keeps doing the same...
[03:38] <occy> Justin, shouldn't totem (that ships with Ubuntu) actually DO something?
[03:38] <Justin> occy: or gstreamer0.8-vorbis ?
[03:38] <chrissturm> occy, install the gstreamer plugins
[03:38] <occy> I mean, what does it actually play?
[03:39] <occy> I've not found one thing it will play sucessfully.
[03:39] <bassgoon> is there any place to get the amd64 dvd?
[03:39] <Justin> yeah, gstreamer0.8-plugins should do it, or just install totem-xine
[03:39] <rasputnik> CarlFK : I've run VMWare on a vncserver virtual XVNC on NetBSD. Inside VMware there's a copy of win98 running tightvnc and I connected to *that* using VNC viewer on a Mac.
[03:39] <occy> anyway
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[03:39] <occy> :)
[03:39] <rasputnik> CarlFK : and it was *still* easier than getting wine to run kazaalite
[03:40] <CarlFK> rasputnik - sounds like fun
[03:41] <bassgoon> is there a working torrent or other dl for the amd64 dvd?
[03:41] <CarlFK> rasputnik - sounds like what I do instead of what I should be doing ;)
[03:42] <deancolinux> Hello, can anyone point me to a good tutorial on installing XMLTV?
[03:42] <ateves> can i use KDE applications in gnome? e.g. amaroK player?
[03:42] <chrissturm> ateves, sure
[03:42] <bassgoon> sure
[03:43] <chrissturm> ateves, some will look strange, but amarok looks quite ok
[03:43] <ateves> oh, ok, thanks
[03:43] <ateves> i recently switched to ubuntu, and really started to like gnome :D
[03:44] <erommer> if i have a comp with 2 nics, can i pass the data from one nic to the other, if so what programs do i need (in ubuntu/linux)
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> erm
[03:44] <berkes> ateves, there is kubuntu too ;)
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> erommer: you want it to act like a switch/hub
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> ?
[03:44] <bassgoon> ateves, it took switichin dists to realize that?
[03:44] <bassgoon> :-p
[03:44] <bassgoon> I realized that the first time i used knoppix after using a dist with gnome for a while
[03:45] <Cafe_Witte_spikk> is this a support channel for ubuntu?
[03:45] <ateves> bassgoon: maybe? :D
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> Cafe_Witte_spikk: yes
[03:45] <erommer> HrdwrBoB: something like that
[03:45] <ateves> bassgoon: realized what?
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> erommer: look up 'briding'
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> bridging
[03:45] <erommer> ok
[03:45] <bassgoon> that I disliked kde in comparison to gnome
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> you will need to install brctl
[03:45] <ateves> ah
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> but there's a howto around
[03:45] <erommer> HrdwrBoB: 1 nic will be connected to router and the other will be connected to an xbox
[03:45] <rasputnik> erommer: do you want to connect two networks?
[03:45] <bassgoon> so nobody knows where I can find the amd64 dvd
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> erommer: oooh you just want masquerade then
[03:46] <rasputnik> erommer : in that case you want packet forwarding
[03:46] <erommer> HrdwrBoB: that a program?
[03:46] <xoz> erommer: try shorewall
[03:46] <ateves> i came from suse, and gnome wasn't provided with the dist, so i stuck to KDE
[03:46] <rasputnik> erommer : no, it's a way to use your linux box like a router
[03:46] <bassgoon> ah
[03:46] <Cafe_Witte_spikk> cool, can anybody explain to me, we installed ubuntu here, and we got a game (postal2) which seems to provide sound only with oss-drivers enebled.. how do i get the sound to work with ubuntu?
[03:46] <bassgoon> so nobody's even going to tell me they know there's no way to get the amd64 dvd yet?
[03:47] <berkes> bassgoon, prolly no-one knows
[03:47] <devios> I asked this about 20 times yesterday without an answer, so I apologize for continuing to spam
[03:47] <devios> I am using TightVNC Viewer on WinXP and Ubuntu's Remote Desktop feature...  Any way that I can copy/paste text between my WinXP system and the VNC session?
[03:47] <xoz> bassgoon: google it?
[03:47] <devios> I can't type without looking at the keys, so this is a real issue for me.
[03:48] <bassgoon> xoz, a bunch of people said they found it on the ftp like a month ago...
[03:48] <bassgoon> but its not there
[03:48] <rasputnik> devious: the client should have a menu to do that, it's usually F8
[03:48] <bassgoon> I try to dl with bitttorrent and all I get is ""ubuntu-5.04-dvd-amd64.iso" : Problem connecting to tracker - <urlopen error (10061, 'Connection refused')>"
[03:48] <Cafe_Witte_spikk> helloohooo!! ubuntu help peope.. help..
[03:48] <rasputnik> devios : http://www.tightvnc.com/vncviewer.1.html - press F8
[03:49] <xoz> bassgoon: google
[03:49] <BobaFett> guys ... either xmms or rhythmbox freeze up when I try to open a mp3 file... this has never happened before... any thoughts? :(
[03:50] <Cafe_Witte_spikk> yeah, go to preferences, selected the eSound output plugin, and that sould do it boba
[03:50] <Cafe_Witte_spikk> @xmms
[03:50] <BobaFett> I have ALSA so ScummVM works...
[03:51] <BobaFett> I used ESD, but yesterday I switched to ALSA and it worked fine...
[03:51] <Cafe_Witte_spikk> but now it doesnt  :)
[03:51] <BobaFett> ...then today, I try to load rhythmbox and it freezes as soon as I open it :(
[03:51] <apollo2011> What is the dpkg command to set the default Desktop Manager? I have both Gnome and KDE and I installed Gnome and switched the default to KDE and now I want Gnome to be the default but I forgot the exact command
[03:52] <chrissturm> BobaFett, run gstreamer-properties, and select the alsa sink
[03:52] <Cafe_Witte_spikk> anyway ... im gonna try to find the answheres... thats all im doing in life.... boring hippy shit
[03:53] <BobaFett> chrissturm, I have ALSA in both input & output...
[03:53] <chrissturm> apollo2011, i think its sudo dpkg-reconfigure xdm
[03:53] <bassgoon> when I google for the amd64 dvd all I get are links to the same bad torrent
[03:53] <bassgoon> oh well
[03:53] <bassgoon> I'll just wait til you can get the dvds from the website
[03:53] <apollo2011> chrissturm: sounds right. thx
[03:53] <chrissturm> bassgoon, they changed torrents
[03:53] <bassgoon> oh, where's the new one?
[03:54] <chrissturm> dunno, should be on the website
[03:54] <bassgoon> it doesn't work
[03:54] <chrissturm> BobaFett, does the test button work in gstreamer-properties?
[03:54] <apollo2011> chrissturm: actually, I tried that and it didn't work but I replaced it with kdm and that worked.  So I think that command with either gdm or kdm would work.
[03:55] <BobaFett> Yes, ALSA test button works fine...
[03:55] <bassgoon> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-dvd-amd64.iso.torrent is baaad
[03:55] <Discipulus> anyone a networking expert in here?
[03:55] <mdke> hno73, ping
[03:55] <hno73> mdke: meeting :)
[03:56] <chrissturm> apollo2011, cool. i was actually just thinking that reconfiguring <any>dm would work
[03:56] <mdke> hno73, cool just checking you could make it
[03:56] <BobaFett> I switched back to ESD, chris, but rhythmbox still freezes on load :(
[03:56] <chrissturm> BobaFett, never used rhythmbox. maybe you want to try muine
[03:57] <devios> everyone keeps telling me to use f8 but it isn't working.  it brings up a menu, but there is no get clipboard menu item
[03:57] <devios> I am using TightVNC Viewer on WinXP and Ubuntu's Remote Desktop feature...  Any way that I can copy/paste text between my WinXP system and the VNC session?
[03:57] <BobaFett> Actually, it's not just a rhythmbox issue, Chris :( Just downloaded XMMS to check out if it worked, and it freezes when I load a MP3 file...
[03:57] <BobaFett> ...so it's a codec-handler thing :(
[03:58] <Justin> BobaFett: no, it's that you didn't tell it to use esd
[03:58] <BobaFett> I did, in gstreamer-properties...
[03:58] <BobaFett> ...or that's just not enough? O.o
[03:59] <Justin> BobaFett: xmms doesn't use gstreamer, it has it's own settings
[03:59] <Justin> er, its
[03:59] <goldfish> bmp > xmms
[03:59] <BobaFett> Then it shouldnt crash the way rhythmbox does...
[03:59] <Justin> bmp has its own settings as well :-P
[03:59] <Justin> BobaFett: it doesn't crash, it hangs trying to open the sound device, if you kill esd it will start playing
[04:00] <Justin> i dunno why they don't just open the sound device in nonblocking mode at first to see if it will fail
[04:00] <nightswim> with the gnome from ubuntu I cant move windows upwards past the border of the screen
[04:00] <nightswim> but I would like to be able to do so
[04:00] <nightswim> is there a setting for that? :)
[04:00] <jo> BobaFett http://ubuntuguide.org/
[04:01] <jo> Q: How to install Multimedia Codecs?
[04:01] <Discipulus> Is there any reason why Ubuntu would limit my bandwith or would it be the phone line in combination with my ISP?
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu does not limit your bandwidth
[04:02] <Discipulus> well my ISP said they haven't gotten any other complaints and they show that my connection is fine
[04:02] <Discipulus> so would it be the phone line?
[04:02] <Justin> Discipulus: what makes you think there is a problem?
[04:02] <BobaFett> I set my output as ESD and it keeps freezing uppppp :(
[04:03] <Discipulus> Justin, because a speed test shows that I'm connected at 7.3 kbps and my download speeds are ~899 b/s
[04:03] <goldfish> jo: wiki.ubuntu.org/RestrcitedFormats i think it is
[04:03] <Davey> how can I decode iTunes music on Ubuntu? :)
[04:03] <goldfish> write a program to do so :)
[04:03] <rasputnik> Discipulus : 7.3kbps = .9kBps . 1 bit = 8 bytes, yeah?
[04:04] <Discipulus> rasputnik, sure
[04:04] <rasputnik> Discipulus : incidentally ,what are you connected throuh, a piece of wet string?
[04:04] <cafuego> Davey: it's AAC format; which is "encrypted" mp4 I think. Do a google search and get the decrypter (the dvd guy wrote one)
[04:04] <devios> I am using TightVNC Viewer on WinXP and Ubuntu's Remote Desktop feature...  Any way that I can copy/paste text between my WinXP system and the VNC session?  I tried realvnc as well.  I *see* that the clipboard options are enabled in the client, but it's still not working.  Not with RealVNC or with TightVNC.  I suspect that I need to install or enable something on my Ubuntu box.  A friend confirmed this problem trying to VNC to his Ubuntu machine as well.
[04:04] <Sly> Discipulus your back !! :) not fixed it then
[04:05] <Discipulus> rasputnik, no, the phone line.
[04:05] <rasputnik> so that should be 7.3kB then yeah?
[04:06] <Discipulus> Sly, not even close
[04:06] <Discipulus> rasputnik, no, it should be 43.6kB
[04:07] <devios> jo: I have been told that it is not wise to instruct people to use the ubuntuguide.org.  instead point them to the wiki
[04:07] <jo> i yest did it work great
[04:08] <jo> al wok oke
[04:08] <jo> one one thing not limewire
[04:09] <jo> most off the wiki are the same
[04:09] <rasputnik> Discipulus : If  you mean kilobit you're talking adsl, is that right?
[04:09] <jo> but next time i wil thel them to go to the wiki
[04:09] <Discipulus> no, adsl runs at 3 mbps in my area
[04:10] <rasputnik> Discipulus : so what are you, modem?
[04:11] <cion> hey all how do i set up firestarter to work with amule so i don't get low IP?
[04:11] <HiddenWolf> cion, why would you want to use a firewall on a system that doesn't have any open ports?
[04:11] <cion> and second questione what kernel is in Ubuntu?
[04:11] <Discipulus> hehe
[04:12] <cion> uhhhm cuz i'm newbie and I have no idea what u talking bout
[04:12] <cion> yeah that's why :P
[04:12] <mjr> cion, to your second: Linux 2.6.10 (patched version)
[04:12] <cion> so i don't need firewall?
[04:12] <HiddenWolf> cion, firewalls block open ports - ubuntu has no open ports by default, so there is nowhere for any hacker to break into, thus you should not need a firewall
[04:12] <Luke> i'm having problems with my alsa. for some reason it says "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory" when i try to run alsa mixer. anyone know how to fix this?
[04:13] <cion> ohhh cool
[04:13] <cion> thx all
[04:13] <cion> bye
[04:13] <jo> Luke yes tgo instal alsa aging andt boot
[04:13] <sproingie> HiddenWolf: that's an astonishingly naive view
[04:13] <Luke> jo: just re-install alsa-base?
[04:13] <jo> system admistrtor jes
[04:13] <cion> oh so I do need firewall?
[04:13] <HiddenWolf> spriongie, there are hardly any situations where a firewall can save you from a faulty configuration
[04:13] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks: firewall!
[04:14] <jo> ore take os olso andt take it awy aging went its working
[04:14] <jo> andt boot
[04:14] <sproingie> HiddenWolf: a firewall on the same machine you're firewalling probably isn't a lot of help when it comes to inbound blocking, no
[04:14] <Luke> jo: what is olso
[04:14] <sproingie> HiddenWolf: i'd recommend everyone have a firewall on their gateway tho
[04:14] <cion> hey speak human! what the hell is everyone talking bout
[04:14] <jo> onstal wat you wont from alsa
[04:14] <HiddenWolf> sproingie, he's not talking gateway, he's talking ubuntu desktop
[04:14] <indypende> can someone help me with the fonts of amule?
[04:14] <jo> instal sorry i dislekties
[04:15] <Luke> jo: thanks
[04:15] <HiddenWolf> cion, you don't need a firewall on ubuntu desktop, unless you start installing server-software
[04:15] <jo> but somtimes yes boot wil fix it olso
[04:15] <cion> i have firestarter running all the time
[04:15] <cion> oh ok
[04:15] <sproingie> HiddenWolf:  i just use the firewalling for my little gateway box/AP.  i consider one of those things as indespensable as the cable modem itself
[04:15] <indypende> i have non antialiasing fonts in the bar of amule
[04:15] <HiddenWolf> sproingie, on a gateway, i agree. :0
[04:15] <cion> even if I have constant LAN/internet connection?
[04:15] <devios> I am using TightVNC Viewer on WinXP and Ubuntu's Remote Desktop feature...  Any way that I can copy/paste text between my WinXP system and the VNC session?  I tried realvnc as well.  I *see* that the clipboard options are enabled in the client, but it's still not working.  Not with RealVNC or with TightVNC.  I suspect that I need to install or enable something on my Ubuntu box.  A friend confirmed this problem trying to VNC to his Ubuntu machine as well.
[04:16] <hiro_protagonist> Heya, can anyone tell me how to apply this kernel patch on Warty? http://atmelwlandriver.sourceforge.net/downloads.html. The instructions ay cd to usr/src/linux-2.6.x/, but the only directory below /usr/src I can see is RPM
[04:16] <HiddenWolf> jo, if you're having trouble with the english in this channel, try joining #ubuntu-nl for dutch support
[04:16] <jo> im stil dislekies
[04:16] <erommer> if i put a script into /etc/cron.monthly/ when will it be executed?
[04:16] <jo> dutch olso
[04:16] <sproingie> hiro_protagonist: you need to get the linux-source package
[04:16] <hiro_protagonist> sproingie, can I install that via synaptic?
[04:17] <sproingie> hiro_protagonist: yes
[04:17] <rasputnik> cion : firewalls with default deny are always handy - one day you'll install a server 'just to play' and get done over otherwise
[04:17] <hiro_protagonist> groovy, thanks
[04:17] <indypende> can someone help me with the fonts of amule?
[04:17] <indypende> i have non antialiasing fonts in the bar of amule
[04:17] <sproingie> hiro_protagonist: there's one for each kernel version and arch, so make sure you get the right one
[04:17] <sproingie> hiro_protagonist: er, i guess there isnt one per arch, nevermind that
[04:18] <Gourami> Where can I read up in Wine ?
[04:18] <HiddenWolf> rasputnik, I doubt that
[04:18] <mjr> www.winehq.com
[04:18] <sproingie> rasputnik: that's why i consider external firewalls better.  one day you'll just fiddle with the firewall on your own box and disable it.  external is set and forget
[04:18] <Gourami> thanks
[04:19] <BobaFett> Ok guys, you were right ... I set xmms to play in ESD and it worked just fine, Muine worked fine, too ... I just liked rhythmbox :( it still freezes when I open it...
[04:19] <HiddenWolf> rasputnik, advising someone on the odd chance that they might eventually install some kind of serverish software is bad advice, imho
[04:19] <rasputnik> erommer : cat /etc/crontab  says it'll be 8 minutes to 7 in the morning on the first day of the month
[04:19] <Candoo> in my router which i'm confuring to allow a public http server i have enabled FTP, HTTP, and HTTPS...would I also need to enable DNS for the lan address containing the server?
[04:19] <krueger> Hello.... how can I get xmms to play wma files ?
[04:20] <indypende> apt-get install xmms-wma
[04:20] <erommer> ok thanks rasputnik
[04:20] <indypende> sudo apt-get install xmms-wma
[04:20] <rasputnik> HiddenWolf : I humbly disagree. the downsides to a default deny firewall < downsides of a wide open box
[04:20] <jo> sudo apt-get install xmms
[04:20] <jo> wget -c http://frankandjacq.com/ubuntuguide/xmms-wma_1.0.4-2_i386.deb
[04:20] <jo> sudo dpkg -i xmms-wma_1.0.4-2_i386.deb
[04:20] <dbernar1> aptitude
[04:21] <rasputnik> HiddenWolf : and if the dude already has one, suggesting he remove it is just silly
[04:21] <jind> Can anybody give me a good link to a site with instructions on how to get a Ubuntu system up and running as fast as possible?
[04:21] <krueger> Thanks everybody :D
[04:22] <jind> Something like www.ubuntuguide.org but not that one. I have heard that the person behind doesn't cooperate with others
[04:23] <Seveas> jind, getting an Ubuntu system up-and-running is simply booting the install cd and following the instructions :)
[04:23] <jind> I need much more programs than is there
[04:24] <jind> Like Skype and actually a lot
[04:24] <jind> But I want to use a repositorie which is good
[04:25] <rasputnik> jind : you can always just install from source. It wont' kill you, it's just a bit more work to maintain.
[04:25] <jo> sudo apt-get install libqt3c102-mt
[04:25] <jo> wget -c http://frankandjacq.com/ubuntuguide/skype_1.1.0.13-1_i386.deb
[04:25] <jo> sudo dpkg -i skype_1.1.0.13-1_i386.deb
[04:25] <jind> I know that
[04:26] <jind> But it's a pain to maintain when I't really much software
[04:26] <rasputnik> jo: now type in your password :)
[04:26] <erommer> whats the dealio
[04:26] <jo> hm
[04:27] <dbernar1> what the dealie-yo?
[04:31] <cantrel29> hello, i have just downloaded zendstudio - the php development environment build on netbeans and i would like some advice on the best way to install it.  should i just unzip it in /usr/share/zendstudeo/ or should i create a package
[04:32] <xulin> hi
[04:32] <Fade> well, if you install it from that archive, it should go in /usr/local.
[04:33] <cantrel29> ok /usr/local/ it is
[04:33] <Fade> but if you're up to packaging it, that'd be good for anybody else. :)
[04:33] <xulin> why does i have a error when i put jacksink in gstreamer-propreties ?
[04:33] <Fade> what's the error?
[04:34] <cantrel29> i haven't built any packages beyond following the java install ones.  could you point me to a good howto?
[04:35] <freewoody> Hi all
[04:35] <freewoody> How do I remove an IP Address ?
[04:36] <sproingie> from what?
[04:36] <freewoody> From my eth0 Nic card
[04:37] <sproingie> ifconfig eth0 del address
[04:37] <sproingie> hm, man ifconfig says that's ipv6 only
[04:38] <Luke> whenever I try to run alsamixer it says this: "
[04:38] <Luke> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory"
[04:38] <Fade> cantrel29: it isn't a language I use for anything, so unfortunately, 'no'
[04:38] <Luke> anyone know how to fix this?
[04:38] <Fade> there should be a readme or and "INSTALL" file in the package.
[04:38] <Gourami> Is Wine available on Ubuntu through Synaptic ?
[04:38] <jf6> ok super
[04:38] <Luke> Gourami: yea in the non-free repository
[04:38] <jf6> il bannissent comme ca mnt
[04:39] <Gourami> thanks Luke, have you used it by any chance ?
[04:39] <Fade> luke do you have permissions to read/write the sound device files?
[04:39] <Gourami> But isnt wine supposed to be free ?
[04:40] <Fade> you should be in the 'audio' group.
[04:41] <Fade>  /dev/audio /dev/mixer ?
[04:41] <Luke> Fade: oh that could be it
[04:41] <Luke> Fade: good thinking
[04:42] <Luke> Fade: yea I am
[04:42] <Luke> Fade: what did you mean by /dev/audio /dev/mixer?
[04:43] <Fade> just wondering what the permissions were on those files.
[04:43] <Luke> oh lemme check them
[04:43] <Fade> are the alsa modules loaded?
[04:43] <Luke> no
[04:44] <Luke> crw-rw-r--  1 root audio    10, 135 2005-06-30 10:34 rtc
[04:44] <jimmynose> hi sll
[04:44] <jimmynose> all
[04:44] <chaps0063> Hello, my sound just stopped working.  It shows as though its playing, but I hear no sound.
[04:44] <Fade> do you see a bunch of 'snd*' modules when you do 'lsmod'?
[04:45] <Luke> Fade: nope... i'm new to debian but shouldnt those be auto-loaded by alsa?
[04:45] <chaps0063> Fade, was that to me, cause if so, I do see a bunch.
[04:45] <Fade> well, my experience with ubuntu is limited, I've always used debian before, but "yes".
[04:46] <sam_> is anybody else using scim for inputting chinese or japanese?
[04:46] <Fade> chaps -- use alsamixer or kmix or something to make sure you haven't muted the sound.
[04:46] <Luke> Fade: is there a way to get the latest kernel source with ubuntu and just compile it myself?
[04:46] <Fade> Luke: what kind of soundcard do you have?
[04:46] <sktrdie> OK i'm about to download Ubuntu PPC and install it on my powerbook.. any suggestions?
[04:46] <Luke> Fade: audigy 2 value
[04:46] <Fade> well, that should be detected. ;)
[04:46] <chaps0063> Fade, all is turned up.
[04:46] <Luke> Fade: probably the most standard soundcard you can have =)
[04:46] <Sly> sktride........... yes, goodluck
[04:47] <jimmynose> ok guys here it is ive got linux ubuntu and have tried to dual load with xp on 40 gb disk.just keeps overwring xp is there an open source programme like boot magic
[04:47] <Fade> do "dpkg -l "*alsa*" | grep ii"
[04:47] <Fade> what's the output?
[04:47] <Luke> ii  alsa-base      1.0.8-4ubuntu4 ALSA driver configuration files
[04:47] <Luke> ii  alsa-utils     1.0.8-1ubuntu1 ALSA utilities
[04:47] <Luke> ii  gstreamer0.8-a 0.8.8-1ubuntu4 ALSA plugin for GStreamer
[04:47] <Luke> sorry guys =)
[04:47] <sktrdie> Sly: should i download the LIVE or the install?
[04:48] <jimmynose> do you wan to use it as an o/s?
[04:48] <Blue_Summer> lo all
[04:48] <Sly> sktride all depends if you want to install it or not
[04:48] <sktrdie> i want to install it :p
[04:48] <Luke> Fade: doesnt look like I have just "alsa drivers" installed does it?
[04:49] <Fade> the alsa drivers are built into the ubuntu kernel.
[04:49] <Luke> alright
[04:49] <Fade> so you wouldn't
[04:49] <chaps0063> Fade, did you also what me to run that command?
[04:49] <jimmynose> what is the url for open source appls please?
[04:49] <Luke> jimmynose: www.sf.net
[04:49] <jimmynose> luke: ta
[04:49] <Fade> chaps0063: no, I was talking to luke
[04:50] <jimmynose> brb
[04:50] <chaps0063> oh, ok, sorry about that then.
[04:50] <cafuego> sktrdie: Keep in mind that airport won't work
[04:51] <jimmynose> www.sf.net is down:((
[04:51] <s1m0> hello
[04:51] <Luke> jimmynose: ha no its not
[04:51] <sktrdie> cafuego: yea I know, I've been using Gentoo long time on it
[04:51] <s1m0> sorry, anyone can help me with a x.org problem, please?
[04:52] <Fade> Luke -- what mixer were you trying to start?
[04:52] <Luke> Fade: alsamixer
[04:52] <jimmynose> Luke:??
[04:52] <Fade> what was the exact error?
[04:52] <Luke> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[04:52] <jimmynose> s1m0:just ask
[04:52] <s1m0> jimmynose, k thanks
[04:52] <chaps0063> I am having trouble with my sound since I upgraded to the 2.6 kernel, has anyone else had difficulties with this?
[04:53] <s1m0> jimmynose, i have  a problem whit my samsung 172v syncmaster. x.org doesnt' start
[04:53] <Fade> do '/etc/init.d/alsa restart' and try again
[04:53] <Fade> (as root)
[04:53] <s1m0> beacuse there is a problem whit the video
[04:53] <Luke> Fade: same problem
[04:53] <tommi^> Hi. I just bought nvidia 6200 card and I'm replacing an ati. I have installed nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings. When I run nvidia-glx-config enable and restart x I get almost black screen with only little bit of green(?) on it both in console and in X. I'm thinking there must be something wrong with xorg.conf. There was dri loaded but the results and the same with it commented out or not. Help?
[04:53] <jimmynose> any south africans in here
[04:53] <s1m0> do you know a best setting for x.org with this video?
[04:54] <jimmynose> im new here toos1m0
[04:54] <s1m0> jimmynose, ah ok, thanks :)
[04:54] <Fade> luke -- you're using the default ubuntu kernel?
[04:54] <tommi^> Fade, try to hang on there.. :)
[04:54] <Luke> Fade: yes
[04:54] <czar> Hello. I need to install a C compiler for ubuntu. Which is a good one?
[04:54] <Fade> tommi -- you need the nvidia kernel module.
[04:55] <s1m0> czar, gcc
[04:55] <Luke> Fade: is there a way I can download the 2.6.12 kernel source with apt?
[04:55] <chaps0063> has anyone else had trouble with sound after upgrade to 2.6 kernel?
[04:55] <czar> Where can I find it?
[04:55] <s1m0> czar, or, i don't know  where you can download it, but there is boarland c compiler
[04:55] <s1m0> it's very good
[04:55] <Luke> czar: gcc
[04:55] <Shuddertrix> czar: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:55] <Fade> if you're going to download the source, get it from ftp.kernel.org
[04:56] <tommi^> Fade, assuming that is nvidia-kernel-common, it seems to be installed also (I guess as a dependency)
[04:56] <czar> thank you shuddertrix.
[04:56] <Fade> but you can also get it with apt
[04:56] <Luke> Fade: isnt there some debian patched kernels?
[04:56] <Fade> tommi -- you have to generate a module package.
[04:56] <Shuddertrix> It installs a little more then gcc, but it gives you a good enviroment for building.
[04:56] <Fade> I've never done it in ubuntu.
[04:56] <Fade> apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[04:56] <Luke> Fade: thanks
[04:56] <Fade> appears to be a ubuntu packaged kernel source
[04:57] <tommi^> Fade, that wasn't in the instructions i read (unofficial ubuntuguide)  :)
[04:57] <Fade> but it's two revisions out of date.
[04:57] <devios> I am using TightVNC Viewer on WinXP and Ubuntu's Remote Desktop feature...  Any way that I can copy/paste text between my WinXP system and the VNC session?  I tried realvnc as well.  I *see* that the clipboard options are enabled in the client, but it's still not working.  Not with RealVNC or with TightVNC.  I suspect that I need to install or enable something on my Ubuntu box.  A friend confirmed this problem trying to VNC to his Ubuntu machine as well.
[04:57] <Luke> Fade: well hopefully once I complile my own kernel, my sound problem should be fixed
[04:57] <Fade> tommi -- I'm a debian user. I'm also new to ubuntu. ;)
[04:57] <s1m0> sorry anyone can help me please with the x.org cpnfiguration? my samsung syncmaster 172v doesnt' work
[04:57] <devios> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=45488
[04:58] <Fade> Luke -- there are other binary kernel images.
[04:58] <Fade> apt-cache search linux-image
[04:58] <Luke> Fade: hehe binary kernel image =D
[04:58] <czar> Shuddertrix, is there a command like that to install YACC?
[04:58] <Luke> Fade: if I want things to work correctly I use my own .config - thanks tho
[04:58] <Fade> I'm getting too many windows syndrome.
[04:58] <Luke> Fade: you've been a great help
[04:59] <tommi^> Fade, installing nvidia-kernel-source now, thanks
[04:59] <Shuddertrix> czar: look in Synaptic, because i'm not sure what yacc you need
[04:59] <Fade> tommi -- n'p
[04:59] <Luke> this is sad that debian doesnt have 2.6.12
[04:59] <czar> I'm sorry. What is Synaptic?
[05:00] <nightswim> a front end to apt
[05:00] <Fade> Luke -- you can build your own kernel packages with the 'kernel-package' utilities.
[05:00] <Luke> Fade: i've never used those before... what is it?
[05:00] <tommi^> Fade, actually in the description of nvidia-kernel-source, it says:  This package is not needed on an Ubuntu system because a pre-compiled kernel module is supplied by the linux-restricted-modules packages.
[05:00] <Fade> ah, well, there you go. ;)
[05:00] <s1m0> sorry, what's the defualt root psw in ubuntu?
[05:00] <Shuddertrix> czar: a frontend for apt, you can find it somewhere in the gnome menus or just run 'sudo synaptic'
[05:00] <FlyingSquirrel32> Do you know where I can get a gnome panel applet like the window selector, but that only shows the windows you have minimized? Like on a mac
[05:00] <Luke> Fade: cant I just install to /usr/src/linux and then make menuconfig?
[05:00] <Fade> of course
[05:00] <Luke> Fade: is there some kind of "debain way" to do this =)
[05:01] <Luke> ?
[05:01] <Fade> Luke: yes
[05:01] <nightswim> ja
[05:01] <nightswim> make-kpkg
[05:01] <Luke> haha of course
[05:01] <Luke> what exactly does it do for me?
[05:01] <s1m0> sorry, what's the defualt root psw in ubuntu?
[05:01] <czar> Thank you.
[05:01] <Luke> s1m0: sudo password root
[05:01] <Fade> when I make a kernel in debian I cd into /usr/src/linux and use this command:
[05:01] <FlyingSquirrel32> s1m0: you can't log on as root, use sudo
[05:02] <Shinjan> hi folks
[05:02] <Fade> make-kpkg --bzimage --config=menuconfig --revision "2005.06.30.00" --append-to-version "-fade-hostname" kernel_image kernel_headers
[05:02] <Fade> all on one line.
[05:02] <s1m0> FlyingSquirrel32, how i can take root's provilege?
[05:02] <FlyingSquirrel32> s1m0: the password will be the same as the user you created during the install
[05:03] <Fade> the make-kpkg script will run the menuconfig and when you exit, build and package your kernel and the headers it was linked with.
[05:03] <FlyingSquirrel32> s1m0: type "sudo " and then the command you want to run
[05:03] <s1m0> FlyingSquirrel32, no, it doesn't work
[05:03] <Luke> Fade: oh nice =) a command to do it all
[05:03] <s1m0> ah k
[05:03] <s1m0> but
[05:03] <Luke> Fade: thanks
[05:03] <s1m0> it asks the password
[05:03] <Fade> n'p
[05:03] <s1m0> ah ok
[05:04] <Luke> Fade: you do that in /usr/src/linux ?
[05:04] <Fade> take my advice with a pinch of salt; I'm a debian guy. my powerbook is my first ubuntu machine. ;)
[05:04] <Fade> Luke -- yes
[05:04] <s1m0> but is there the root "user"?
[05:04] <Fade> but so far ubuntu seems to be largely debian.
[05:04] <Fade> so I'm probably right. ;)
[05:04] <Luke> Fade: yea - prettified debian
[05:04] <billytwowilly> so is it normal for the ecalendar synchronization conduit to give the appearance of synchronizing and then not actually synchronizing, or is the conduit in ubuntu just a steaming pile of crap?
[05:05] <Fade> s1m0: is this a freshly installed machine?
[05:05] <s1m0> Fade, yes
[05:05] <s1m0> and i never used ubuntu or debian, only gentoo
[05:05] <Fade> do 'sudu su -' and when it asks for a password give your user password
[05:05] <Luke> s1m0: i used gentoo and debian... i just dropped gentoo for ubuntu
[05:05] <Fade> you will become root, and then you can set the root passwd.
[05:06] <Luke> s1m0: you can set your root password and use su normally with "sudo password root"
[05:06] <Fade> Luke -- I've used debian since 1997 or so. I recently have a gentoo machine because the debian amd64 port wasn't ready when I had an amd64 box.
[05:06] <s1m0> Luke, Fade thanks
[05:06] <Luke> np
[05:06] <s1m0> can you help me with a xorg configuration please?
[05:07] <Luke> Fade: i've been running gentoo ~arch for a while but for some reason lately its been breaking *all* the time
[05:07] <Luke> Fade: i was finding massive ebuild and eclass bugs all the time... I just think it was getting sloppy
[05:07] <s1m0> can you help me please with the x.org cpnfiguration? my samsung syncmaster 172v doesnt' work
[05:08] <Fade> yeah. they just moved python to 2.4, and there have been lots of problems.
[05:08] <Luke> Fade: yup
[05:08] <devios> anyone know how to install autocutsel in ubuntu?
[05:08] <Fade> s1m0: that's a very difficult request, given the info you provided.
[05:09] <s1m0> Fade, yes, sorry. X can't load the monitor
[05:09] <jode> does anyone know a good convertor to make mp3's into ogg vorbis. I tried to get audacity and I can't. Thanks!
[05:09] <s1m0> i tried also xorcfg but nothing
[05:09] <Fade> what's the error message in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[05:09] <Gourami> probably sync settings
[05:09] <Luke> Gourami: i think your right
[05:09] <Luke> there's really nothing much else it could be
[05:10] <Gourami> probably sync settings
[05:10] <Fade> sure, it could be the maus ;)
[05:10] <Gourami> oops
[05:10] <Fade> it could be puking on anything.
[05:10] <moparfan90> does any one know a good music player.
[05:10] <Luke> muine
[05:10] <Fade> amarok is an excellent music player.
[05:10] <s1m0> Fade, cannot run in framebuffer mode.
[05:10] <s1m0> plase specify busIDs
[05:10] <ramblingturtle23> jode: have you tried graveman
[05:11] <Fade> sounds like you're loading an incorrect x server.
[05:11] <jimmynose> jode:doesnt cdex do it?
[05:11] <jode> No I haven't, thanks , will try!
[05:11] <Luke> when is breezy due out?
[05:11] <jode> what is cdex?
[05:11] <s1m0> Fade, the sreen have a non usable configuration
[05:11] <Fade> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver
[05:11] <moparfan90> does anyone know a good music player better then the normal ubuntu one??
[05:11] <jimmynose> jode: google it
[05:12] <CarlFK> grep -i /etc/X11/xorg.conf driver
[05:12] <Fade> moparfan -- I have a '71 superbee ;)
[05:12] <Luke> moparfan90: muine
[05:12] <moparfan90> o
[05:12] <Sly> moparfan90, xmms , beep-media-player
[05:12] <moparfan90> luke: cool
[05:12] <jode> I did and it said the package for ubuntu wasn't on the sever
[05:12] <krueger> hello
[05:12] <s1m0> fade there are  keyboyard mouse and tseng
[05:13] <s1m0> Fade, there are  keyboyard mouse and tseng
[05:13] <ramblingturtle23> jode: what isn't on the server
[05:13] <jode> audacity
[05:13] <Fade> what kind of video card do you have?
[05:13] <ramblingturtle23> jode: how are you trying to install the program
[05:13] <deancolinux> Hello will XMLTV work with Ubuntu?
[05:13] <Fade> deancolinux: sure
[05:14] <deancolinux> How do you configure it?
[05:14] <Gourami> ..
[05:14] <s1m0> Fade, an old one the chip is like itce
[05:14] <Fade> man, this is like the house of open questions.
[05:14] <jode> I tried apt-get and a search of google to download the package,i end up with an exe file but can't open it.
[05:14] <s1m0> Fade, 2 sec that i chek better the chip name
[05:15] <FlyingSquirrel32> any ideas where I can download gnome panel applets?
[05:15] <deancolinux> When I enter tv_grab_na  --configure it doesn't work....
[05:15] <ramblingturtle23> jade: use synaptic
[05:15] <Fade> deancolinux: you have to register an account to make that work.
[05:15] <Gourami> thats the point hey Fade :)
[05:15] <Fade> read the README info in /usr/share/doc/
[05:15] <deancolinux> Where do you register?
[05:16] <s1m0> Fade, tsenc
[05:16] <tommi^> Fade, no luck..
[05:16] <s1m0> Fade, it's my cousin's old pc. how i can check properly the card name?
[05:17] <Fade> lspci -v | less
[05:17] <Fade> you should see a line that contains "VGA compatible controller:"
[05:17] <Fade> the string following the colon will be the id string for your video card.
[05:17] <tommi^> Fade, the problem stays and I have loaded the module.
[05:18] <mircosoft> moparfan90: Who is this someone?
[05:18] <Fade> tommi^: do 'lsmod | grep nvidia'
[05:18] <Fade> what's the output?
[05:18] <moparfan90> mircosoft: who are you
[05:18] <s1m0> Fade, 2 sec because i have a problem with the keyoard
[05:19] <Fade> s1m0: you're a wreck. ;)
[05:19] <s1m0> Fade, it's  a wireless one... arg! i dislike this kind of keyboard......
[05:19] <Fade> and here I was so impressed with ubuntu because it seemd to just install and work. ;)
[05:19] <mircosoft> moparfan90: HostingGeek...
[05:19] <tommi^> Fade, nvidia_agp  7452  0\nvidia 3923388  0\agpgart 31784  4 \nvidia_agp,nvidia,intel_mch_agp,intel_agp
[05:19] <moparfan90> o
[05:19] <HostingGeek> Better?
[05:19] <moparfan90> yeah
[05:19] <moparfan90> Luke
[05:19] <tommi^> Fade, this dude seems to have the same problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=45486
[05:20] <Luke> moparfan90: yea?
[05:20] <moparfan90> nothing
[05:20] <Fade> 'sec. reading
[05:20] <Luke> moparfan90: oh =)
[05:20] <zAo^> iemand die de nederlandse mirror gebruikt? welke snelheden halen jullie??
[05:21] <weasel__> could someone help me out? i am an experienced windows user, but this is my first time using linux. i am having trouble installing some software
[05:21] <HostingGeek> Hmmm.... moparfan90 I don't blame him... he answered your question... you just didn't ask the same thing as you ask me
[05:21] <zAo^> weasel__, tell us :)
[05:21] <Fade> tommi^: what's in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[05:21] <weasel__> i can't figure out how to install http://synergy2.sourceforge.net
[05:21] <moparfan90> o
[05:21] <HostingGeek> moparfan90: read the wiki
[05:21] <HostingGeek> it will tell you
[05:21] <tommi^> Fade, (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found) :D :D :D
[05:22] <goshen> server irc.ff.st
[05:22] <alicia> I'm trying to view a movie on the internet, but theres no sound. what could be the problem?
[05:22] <zAo^> weasel__, get http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/synergy2/synergy-1.2.2-1.i386.rpm?download
[05:22] <moparfan90> ok
[05:22] <zAo^> than: sudo alien *.rpm
[05:22] <zAo^> then dpkg -i *.deb
[05:22] <Fade> try commenting out the 'Load "glx"' line and restarting x
[05:22] <HostingGeek> --> goshen (~goshen@lns-vlq-5-tou-82-64-204-25.adsl.proxad.net) has joined #ubuntu <<< spammer
[05:23] <weasel__> replace * with the filename?
[05:23] <tommi^> Fade, I'll try that. Yet, doesn't that take away all the joy of the card?
[05:23] <Fade> under 'Section "Module"'
[05:23] <HostingGeek> !ops
[05:23] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, HostingGeek
[05:23] <Fade> tommi^: well, the idea is to get you some xterms so you can easily investigate the problem. ;)
[05:23] <casper> hello, i have to update the repository, but i cant
[05:23] <Fade> which is better than thrashing around in the console.
[05:23] <HostingGeek> !ubotu ops is bob2 daniels
[05:23] <ubotu> HostingGeek: okay
[05:23] <Luke> Fade: it looks like i'm using vmlinuz kernel image... is there any special grub configuration to get it to use bzImage besides just changing the name?
[05:23] <tommi^> Fade, yes, that would be nice. I guess we'll investigate it there. Bye..
[05:23] <s1m0> Fade, ...... i rebooted
[05:24] <s1m0> Fade, it seems working O_O
[05:24] <devios> I am using TightVNC Viewer on WinXP and Ubuntu's Remote Desktop feature...  Any way that I can copy/paste text between my WinXP system and the VNC session?  I tried realvnc as well.  I *see* that the clipboard options are enabled in the client, but it's still not working.  Not with RealVNC or with TightVNC.  I suspect that I need to install or enable something on my Ubuntu box.  A friend confirmed this problem trying to VNC to his Ubuntu machine as well.
[05:24] <devios> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=45488
[05:24] <Fade> s1m0: tada
[05:24] <Sly> casper , why not /
[05:24] <casper> i configured my proxy on synaptic, but it wont update my repository
[05:24] <s1m0> Fade, it's not logical!!!!!!
[05:24] <s1m0> O_O
[05:25] <Fade> it's logical, but you don't know the cause.
[05:25] <s1m0> Fade, lol :P
[05:25] <hardcampa-> devios you could try running autocutsel on the server. That should merge the 2 clipboards X got into 1 so you should be able to copy paste then
[05:25] <Seveas> devios: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[05:25] <alicia> I'm trying to play a flash movie in firefox but there's no sound. Anyone know what's wrong?
[05:25] <Fade> I suspect that you had to reset the agp bus and that happened when you rebooted.
[05:25] <krueger> yes I know... to sec ;)
[05:25] <Seveas> alicia, see wiki.ubunti.com/HoarySoundProblems
[05:25] <Seveas> first item on that page
[05:25] <casper> Sly, when i wwas installing the system, it tried to update from the internet, but it didn't asked me the proxy server so that didn't worked. So after installation i wanna update it, but it seems no to work
[05:25] <krueger> you use macromedia flash player right ?
[05:25] <s1m0> Fade, tanks
[05:25] <s1m0> *thanks
[05:25] <Fade> n'p
[05:26] <casper> Sly, should i configure it manually by apt-setup?
[05:26] <Seveas> alicia, see wiki.ubuntu.com/HoarySoundProblems
[05:26] <Seveas> (typo)
[05:26] <Sly> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:26] <moparfan90> anyone know a good online book or video for C++ programming?
[05:26] <devios> hardcampa-: how do I install autocutsel?  I tried to compile it and I get configure: error: Unable to find X libraries.  I guess autocutsel is for XFree instead of XOrg?
[05:27] <casper> Sly and then?
[05:27] <Seveas> alicia, in a terminal you type this: sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1
[05:27] <Fade> moparfan90: the book bjarne stroustroup wrote is the canon.
[05:27] <Sly> tryin to find the link to the list :)
[05:27] <hardcampa-> devious no should work on xorg and xfree
[05:27] <hardcampa-> I mean I'm using it
[05:27] <Fade> boy, I'm wincing at the idea of editing any system file with gedit. ;)
[05:27] <hardcampa-> devious xorg here
[05:28] <hardcampa-> devious xorg and xfree got no difference worth mentioning in the code anyway
[05:28] <alicia> Seveas, once again you're my savior. Thanks
[05:28] <Luke> is there any way to just use hardware mixing with alsa and not use esd?
[05:28] <tommi^> Fade, still under nv
[05:28] <Seveas> Luke, yes
[05:29] <Luke> Seveas: is there a way to remove esd without removing all the reverse deps?
[05:29] <Seveas> disable sound server startup (system -> prefs -> sound) set uo all applications to use alsa and setup dmix
[05:29] <tommi^> Fade, I'll try something. I'll be back
[05:29] <Seveas> Luke, yiu can leave it installed...
[05:29] <Luke> Seveas: oh ok thanks
[05:30] <casper> Sly i clicked on accept DCC chat but it won't work
[05:30] <moparfan90> i have xmms and want to search so it can find my music. how do i do this?
[05:30] <Fade> xmms doesn't do that.
[05:31] <Fade> you have to manually add your music to playlists as you go.
[05:31] <Fade> amarok does that.
[05:31] <jobli> Is there a solution yet to the "nvidia problem"?
[05:31] <Luke> jobli: whats the nvidia problem?
[05:31] <themoy> hallo
[05:32] <themoy> just testing ubuntu
[05:32] <ogami1972> how come my sys never breaks anymore, yet all my win friends still say " oh linux is unstable, blah blah- all the programs are knock-offs, blah blah blah"
[05:32] <jobli> the driver does not work
[05:33] <jobli> Suddenly the system freezes
[05:33] <Fade> jesus ass. I hate binary drivers.
[05:33] <Fade> such a pain in the ass.
[05:34] <jobli> nv works fine
[05:34] <themoy> halo
[05:34] <moparfan90> hello
[05:35] <themoy> first steps on ubuntu
[05:35] <themoy> normal i use winxp
[05:36] <weasel__> hmm...i'm still having a bit of trouble with Synergy
[05:36] <casper> Sly, i'm behind nat, so DCC doesn't work for me
[05:36] <Fade> themoy: is this your first try at linux?
[05:36] <themoy> i'aim from belgium
[05:36] <themoy> Yes
[05:36] <weasel__> I installed it, as you instructed zAo^
[05:36] <Fade> ubuntu is a good desktop distribution.
[05:36] <ogami1972> welcome themoy!
[05:36] <themoy> thanks
[05:37] <weasel__> zAo^, are you still there?
[05:37] <themoy> the first impression is good
[05:37] <themoy> linux i that is
[05:37] <casper> Ubuntu is great!!! very easy!!!
[05:37] <Luke> does Ubuntu use udev?
[05:37] <Fade> after awhile, you'll notice that you haven't rebooted in about two weeks, and that you haven't had a virus in a couple of months.
[05:37] <ogami1972> linux is great- i'm just a basic ol' desktop user, and it works like a dream
[05:37] <Fade> Luke: yes
[05:37] <Seveas> Welcome themoy, if you are from Flanders (Vlaanderen), come to #ubuntu-nl too :)
[05:37] <Luke> ty
[05:37] <Fade> n'
[05:37] <Fade> p
[05:38] <themoy> OK seveas
[05:38] <themoy> join #ubuntu-nl
[05:38] <zyth> I should send my grandmother to #ubuntu-nl
[05:38] <zyth> lol
[05:38] <weasel__> Could someone help me for a second? This is my first time with linux, and i am having some trouble with software
[05:38] <Luke> Fade: i'm compiling my new kernel right now - this should fix my sound problems. Do you know if there's anything important in the initrd.img ?
[05:39] <Fade> the only reason for initrd.img is to load disk controller drivers at boot time
[05:39] <ogami1972> wassup weas?
[05:39] <Fade> so if your controller driver is built into the kernel, you can ignore it.
[05:39] <weasel__> i am trying to setup Synergy: http://synergy2.sourceforge.net
[05:40] <Luke> Fade: as in filesystem support?
[05:40] <ogami1972> oooo
[05:40] <Fade> no, as in the driver that controls the chip that controls your harddrive
[05:40] <Fade> but filesystem, too.
[05:40] <weasel__> i downloaded the .rpm, did sudo alien to make it a .deb then did sudo dpkg
[05:40] <Fade> those things should not be compiled as modules
[05:40] <ogami1972> ok
[05:41] <edulix> hi!
[05:41] <Luke> Fade: yea ok - i've done that. I've just never used an initrd image before so i wasnt sure what was in it
[05:41] <edulix> I've been trying to install FC4 in this computer (I like to test other distros :P). it didn't work, and now when I try to start kubuntu, I get:
[05:41] <edulix> request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-000 (5 times)
[05:41] <edulix>  I've tried to run reiserfsck --fix-fixable, --rebuild-tree, etc. I've tried with both kernels I had for kubuntu, always happened the same error. I've even chrooted from this knoppix cd to the kubuntu partition to install 2.6.11, and also happened the same error
[05:41] <weasel__> It said Unpacking synergy, then setting up synergy, then it gave me a shell again.
[05:41] <edulix> what could I do now ?
[05:41] <Fade> initrd isn't really needed unless you have to build a kernel that works on the most possible configurations.
[05:41] <weasel__> now i have no idea how to run it ogami
[05:42] <edulix> maybe my problem is initrd related ?
[05:42] <ogami1972> have you tried typing it into a terminal?
[05:42] <Seveas> weasel__, dpkg -L synergy
[05:42] <weasel__> the synergy site says to type this: To start a client, enter the following:
[05:42] <weasel__>     synergyc -f server-host-name
[05:42] <weasel__> where server-host-name is replaced by the host name of the computer running the synergy server.
[05:42] <edulix> (I think that because of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30172&highlight=runaway+loop+modprobe. ah, and this machine is a dell inspiron  4150)
[05:42] <Luke> Fade: oh one more thing -you wouldnt happen to know why all my /boot/ stuff is symlinked to in my / root would you?
[05:42] <are> w00t, my X session von't start :/, anyone know what could be wrong?
[05:43] <Fade> Luke -- artifact of debian policy
[05:43] <Luke> Fade: can i remove those?
[05:43] <weasel__> i tried that but it doesn't seem to work
[05:43] <Fade> no
[05:43] <Luke> Fade: hm thats weird
[05:43] <Fade> the packages you are building will automatically manipulate the symlinks and bootloader when you install them, and they expect things to be just so
[05:43] <ogami1972> no offense, but did you read this: http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/running.html
[05:44] <ogami1972> ?
[05:44] <weasel__> yes, i did. i have already set up my server on my win2k machine
[05:44] <ogami1972> seems like a lot of extra steps- creation of files and such
[05:44] <weasel__> then i followed the instructions to run a client on linux
[05:44] <weasel__> no, that's to run a server
[05:44] <spike> hello everybody
[05:44] <weasel__> scroll down to the client section
[05:45] <Fade> well, I'm heading out for awhile. ttyal
[05:45] <moparfan90> bye
[05:45] <ogami1972> ok- so you already setup one sys as yer server?
[05:45] <weasel__> ogami 1972: Unix or Mac OS X, to start a client
[05:45] <tommi^> Fade, doesn't work with glx and dri uncommented.
[05:45] <weasel__> yes, win 2k machine right beside me is running the server
[05:46] <Fade> tommi^: I have to go
[05:46] <Fade> is it a default kernel?
[05:46] <Luke> After compiling a new kernel do i have to re-install the nvidia drivers?
[05:46] <Fade> yes
[05:46] <jamesXuruo> Hello, i want to use some tool to check whether my microphone work well, any idea?
[05:47] <Luke> Fade: thanks a ton for all your debian expertees =)
[05:47] <ogami1972> so what happens when you "synergyc -f server-host-name" from yer linux box?
[05:47] <Fade> n'p
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[05:47] <tommi^> Fade, ok
[05:47] <weasel__> synergyc: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:47] <tommi^> Fade, it is
[05:47] <Seveas> weasel__, install libstdc++-libc6
[05:48] <weasel__> seveas: how do i do that?
[05:48] <Seveas> weasel__, sudo apt-get install libstdc++6
[05:48] <weasel__> (this is my first time ever using linux)
[05:49] <ogami1972> seveas, is that available in the ubuntu repositories?
[05:49] <Seveas> ogami1972, yes
[05:49] <weasel__> seveas, "The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:49] <weasel__> "
[05:50] <des_> hello how can i mount iso , so it will appear as naother cdrom , and not as another FOLDER ??
[05:50] <weasel__> "  libstdc++6: Depends: gcc-4.0-base (>= 4.0-0pre6ubuntu7) but it is not going to  be installed
[05:50] <weasel__> "
[05:50] <Seveas> do NOT paste in here!
[05:50] <weasel__> ok
[05:50] <des_> *another
[05:51] <herbertm> hey anoybody there who wants to chat?
[05:51] <Seveas> weasel__, enable network downloads for the installer
[05:51] <weasel__> well, libstdc++6 depends on gcc-4.00-base
[05:51] <herbertm> ubuntu roooooocks
[05:51] <weasel__> how?
[05:51] <casper> hebertm: hey
[05:51] <herbertm> hey
[05:51] <herbertm> what's up?
[05:51] <des_> can anyone answer my question ??
[05:51] <Seveas> weasel__, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:51] <Seveas> remove the # from the lines that start with #deb
[05:51] <casper> hebertm: learning ubuntu, it's great
[05:51] <herbertm> it's really fine!
[05:52] <spike> anybody here running ubuntu on production servers?
[05:52] <herbertm> I have just started to use ubuntu
[05:52] <herbertm> but not on a production server
[05:52] <Seveas> des_, you are misunderstanding how the unix filesystem works
[05:52] <weasel__> seveas: done. now apt-get will work?
[05:52] <casper> herbertm: me too, i'm happy, sound 3d acceleration, everything works fine
[05:52] <Seveas> des_, howeverm mounting with the user option may resemble doing what you want
[05:53] <Seveas> weasel__, save the file, run sudo apt-get update and then it will work
[05:53] <herbertm> mine too
[05:53] <spike> I don't see neither much discussions, nor lists or forums devoted to ubuntu on servers
[05:53] <des_> if i mount it sudo mkdir /media/iso
[05:53] <des_> sudo modprobe loop
[05:53] <des_> sudo mount file.iso /media/iso/ -t iso9660 -o loop, like that it will appear as folder and not as cd so i will not be able to fool the installer of uplink.
[05:53] <Seveas> spike, ubuntu on servers does not differ from ubuntu on desktops. Servers generally just don't have an X environment installed
[05:53] <spike> I got the point it's generally targeted to end users for desktops, but it's so good I'm really tempted to use it on servers too
[05:54] <Seveas> des_, ehm WHAT are you trying to do..?
[05:54] <casper> what's sudo for?
[05:54] <Seveas> casper, it makes you run things with super-user privileges
[05:54] <des_> i am trying to install the uplink thrue sh installer , it needs the cd i got on folder but on cd
[05:54] <goldfish> hmmm
[05:54] <goldfish> uplink is old :)
[05:54] <Azmodan> I am buying a new computer and I am looking for a cheap, works out-of-the-box-on-Ubuntu soundcard.  What would you suggest me ?
[05:54] <casper> Seveas: but i run things as root directly, is there any difference
[05:55] <spike> Seveas: sadly that's not even true for debian... because of some libgd dependencies :/
[05:55] <des_> goldfish, it is old but i want to play anyway
[05:55] <weasel__> seveas, i did everything you recommended, it still tells me it has unmet dependencies
[05:55] <Seveas> casper, you can leave out sudo then :)
[05:55] <goldfish> des_: :)
[05:55] <casper> Seveas: ok
[05:55] <casper> Seveas: thanks
[05:55] <des_> seveas can you suggest any solution /
[05:55] <spike> Seveas: anyway, my point was about the lack of a community discussing server like issues related to ubuntu. of course I can keep reading/posting on debian-isp and debian-security, but I guess u got the point
[05:55] <weasel__> seveas: it says i should run with -f
[05:56] <Seveas> spike, all ubuntu fora/lists/channels can be used for server issues...
[05:56] <Seveas> weasel__, can you paste the file /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.ubuntulinux.nl please
[05:56] <weasel__> i did that correctly, i can guarantee it. i think i just solved the problem
[05:56] <spikeh> If I have a AMD 64 3200+ processor, would I download the Intel x86 architecture or the amd64 architecture?
[05:57] <des_> amd 64
[05:57] <Seveas> des_, cds are also integrated into the filesystem when you mount it, so there is no difference...
[05:57] <weasel__> seveas: let me see if it work, if not i'll ask again
[05:57] <spikeh> Does that mean my 32bit hardware would not function correctly?
[05:57] <Seveas> spikeh, if you care about flash or binary drivers: x86
[05:57] <des_> ok. thx for help anyway
[05:58] <atrus_> Hi all.. have time to answer a technical question?
[05:58] <Seveas> atrus_, just ask :)
[05:59] <atrus_> cool.. I'm having my first problem with Ubuntu.. it happens on a compaq v2311us laptop with an AMD Turion 64 chip.. The install works flawlessly, but once I reach X and logon, the computer hangs, requiring a hard reboot
[05:59] <atrus_> it might be related to the sound
[05:59] <atrus_> which sounds distorted during logon
[06:00] <nebular> I'm having a hell of a time trying to get ubuntu installed on an older system. P133 with 64mb of ram
[06:00] <atrus_> any install options you'd recommend?
[06:00] <weasel__> seveas: still getting "error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3"
[06:00] <nebular> when isntalling the base system it errors out when dpkg tries to clean up
[06:00] <nebular> saying the file system is read only
[06:00] <weasel__> seveas: but i believe i have installed the thing you recommended
[06:01] <spike> Seveas: point is, if ubuntu is not largely used on servers, if I post a question about some weird VPN issue probably nobody will answer. and I can't ask on debian lists/chans because maybe it's something related to a libc version, or openssl, or something else strictly ubuntu related.
[06:01] <NeoGeo64> How do I get XMMS to play MP3 files?
[06:01] <atrus_> aside from this issue, I've never been happier with a linux distro.. i use it on all my other PCs
[06:01] <spikeh> Can KDE be used with Ubuntu?
[06:01] <spike> Seveas: and the lack of such dedicated channel makes me thing ubuntu isn't widely used on servers, that's all.
[06:01] <goldfish> spikeh: yes.
[06:01] <weasel__> spikeh, yes
[06:01] <spike> spikeh: of course. have a look at kubuntu.
[06:01] <atrus_> spike - http://www.kubuntulinux.org
[06:01] <goldfish> spikeh: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:02] <goldfish> i think it is
[06:02] <spikeh> Thanks
[06:02] <Seveas> spike, well given that Ubuntu is very new and it takes time before server admins try new things...
[06:02] <NeoGeo64> i need a link to the ubuntu faq
[06:02] <spikeh> Does WINE successfully run all win32 applications? Or at least most of them
[06:02] <Seveas> I am succesfully running several Ubuntu servers
[06:02] <NeoGeo64> the unofficial one
[06:02] <Seveas> spikeh, not even close to all...
[06:02] <weasel__> spikeh, some of them
[06:02] <Seveas> but it runs a lot
[06:02] <NeoGeo64> just use linux apps
[06:03] <weasel__> seveas, i am still having trouble with that error. i have installed libstdc++6.
[06:03] <Seveas> NeoGeo64: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[06:03] <Shuddertrix> spikeh: some of them, you get a larger selection with specialized versions of wine like cedega or crossover, but there's usually good linux counterprograms.
[06:04] <spikeh> I just want to get Steam to work with Linux, unless there is a native Linux version for it already
[06:04] <krueger> hi
[06:04] <jind> What was the commando to add a system script called /etc/init.d/ruben to runlevel 2?
[06:04] <Shuddertrix> spikeh: for Steam, you better use cedega, unless you only want to play half-life or counter-strike 1.6, where they can run on wine.
[06:04] <Seveas> weasel__, you need: libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2
[06:05] <Seveas> install that package, might require universe and/or multiverse
[06:05] <Seveas> weasel__, you need universe enabled for that
[06:05] <spikeh> Would most of my hardware work with Linux? I'm totally new to Linux, but would like to migrate, please excuse me for my newbie questions
[06:06] <weasel__> seveas: ok, i installed that
[06:06] <Seveas> spikeh, depends on your hardware :)
[06:06] <Seveas> but generally speaking: lots of (i'd even say most) hardware works
[06:06] <weasel__> seveas: ok, it's working now :D thanks so much for your help!
[06:06] <Shuddertrix> spikeh: Probably, but amd64 hardware is a little sketchy AFAIK
[06:06] <FlyingSquirrel32> Seveas spikeh, isn't there a site where you can check to see if your hardware is supported?
[06:07] <mortified_pengui> Hey can someone please help me with my pcmcia problem?  Ubuntu cant seem to see it. Here is my dmesg output : http://pastebin.com/305472
[06:07] <spikeh> Yeah, I would go with the x86 because of hardware compatibility
[06:07] <spike> Seveas: how long have u been running those servers? what sort of setup u got there? what about grsecurity/selinux/pax related patches? what about vpns, encrypted partitions and the like?
[06:08] <spikeh> Is there a website for people who are new to Linux or Ubunto? I only find ones which are very techinical
[06:08] <jind> Whats the command to add a system script to runlevel 2?
[06:09] <Seveas> spike, web/mail/nx servers (apache, postfix, freenx) No grsec/se/pax patches or vpns, encrypted partitions are a breezy goal but function eith Hoary too
[06:09] <jasoncohen> i like the fact that ubuntu customized the sounds, gdm theme, gnome theme and background with their human theme, but why did ubuntu feel the need to remove gnome's default backgrounds and not include the industrial theme which is packaged by debian?
[06:09] <jasoncohen> also, while ubuntu's gdm is very nice, there's no option to get to advanced options where you can set other themes or auto-login
[06:10] <mdz> jasoncohen: System->Administration->Login Screen Setup
[06:10] <Davey> you can run a perfectly good x86 (32bit) Linux on AMD64, right?
[06:10] <jasoncohen> spikeh, the hoary unofficial howto is good to start with - http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[06:10] <Seveas> jasoncohen, aptitude install gtk2-themes-industrial to install the industrial theme
[06:10] <Seveas> jasoncohen, ubuntuguide is crap
[06:10] <jasoncohen> Seveas, i've already done that
[06:11] <Seveas> jasoncohen,spikeh: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:11] <jasoncohen> Seveas, it doesn't include the industrial icon set or the industrial window borders
[06:11] <Seveas> Davey, yes
[06:11] <Seveas> jasoncohen, ah ok
[06:11] <atrus_> I'm having my first problem with Ubuntu.. it happens on a compaq v2311us laptop with an AMD Turion 64 chip.. The install works flawlessly, but once I reach X and logon, the computer hangs, requiring a hard reboot; also, the logon sound is slightly distorted, making me think this is a sound issue.  Is there an install parameter for disabling sound?
[06:11] <Seveas> I thought I ad tehem though...
[06:11] <FlyingSquirrel32> spikeh: I found www.ubuntuguide.org to be very helpful, but I've been told that some of the suggestions there are not good.
[06:11] <NeoGeo64> how do i make a shortcut on my desktop to /media/windows
[06:11] <spikeh> Thanks
[06:11] <jasoncohen> Seveas, i'm not new to debian. i have a sarge box running a mythtv, openvpn and apache server and i used sid before installing ubuntu on my lapto
[06:11] <jasoncohen> *laptop
[06:12] <Seveas> NeoGeo64, ln -s /media/windows ~/Desktop/windows
[06:12] <FlyingSquirrel32> spikeh:I would use it for simple questions, though, just don't try anything that might break something without asking here first.
[06:12] <NeoGeo64> I'm running Ubuntu on 1.4ghz 512mb pc800 rdram
[06:13] <Seveas> jasoncohen, then you must know art.gnome.org and gnome-look.org too ;)
[06:13] <NeoGeo64> whats the best cd burning app for ubuntu
[06:13] <jasoncohen> Seveas, yes, i do
[06:13] <NeoGeo64> i would like to burn linux iso images
[06:13] <atrus_> k3b
[06:13] <mauper> atrus_: try an "older" kernel
[06:13] <NeoGeo64> im using gnome not kde
[06:13] <Seveas> neofeed, keb (kde) gnomebaker/graveman (gnome)
[06:13] <mortified_pengui> is it possible to change the IRQ of hardware?
[06:13] <atrus_> k3b works fine with gnome too
[06:13] <NeoGeo64> how?
[06:13] <jasoncohen> Seveas, i was asking why ubuntu made the choice to not include themes, backgrounds which are in debian
[06:14] <NeoGeo64> i thought it needed kde libs and stuff
[06:14] <atrus_> you might need to install some kde libs too.. but it'll work in gnome
[06:14] <Seveas> jasoncohen, I have no idea sorry, I thought they just put them in a different package...
[06:14] <atrus_> that's what i use.. it works the best so far, and i use it in gnome
[06:14] <mdz> jasoncohen: Ubuntu is built by inclusion, not exclusion
[06:15] <atrus_> mauper: thanks.. i'll give that a shot
[06:15] <mdz> jasoncohen: so if something is not there, it's because it wasn't added, not because it was taken away
[06:16] <jasoncohen> mdz, that's incorrect. if you use main, restricted, multiverse and universe like i am you get everything from sid's repository as of the time the snapshot was taken
[06:16] <jasoncohen> mdz, i.e - breezy has all the packages in sid currently + some more added by ubuntu
[06:17] <ComPro> hello...i'm installing ubuntu on an old NEC Versa LX notebook computer (server install) and I am trying to install X with Fluxbox. Everything installs properly, yet Fluxbox either takes forever to load, or does not load at all when logging in under a normal user account, but it loads with no problem under root. any ideas? thanks in advance.
[06:17] <mdz> jasoncohen: but from the sound of it, you were talking about what was installed, not what was available in the archive
[06:17] <mdz> gtk2-engines-industrial is of course available for installation
[06:17] <krueger> Hello
[06:17] <jasoncohen> mdz, no- i was talking about what is available in ubuntu's archive
[06:18] <raz> I'm setting my resolution to 1280x800, but on restarts, when i get to the desktop, it resets to 1024x800... I have [x]  Make default for this computer...
[06:18] <mdz> jasoncohen: ok, then which package are you talking about?
[06:18] <jasoncohen> mdz, i have gtk2-engines-industrial installed
[06:18] <mdz> jasoncohen: clearly not gtk2-engines-industrial
[06:18] <jasoncohen> mdz, ok, i also have the gnome-themes-extras package installed
[06:18] <jasoncohen> mdz, and gnome-themes
[06:19] <spikeh> Sorry, still have a few more questions. Can I migrate to Ubuntu Linux whilest keeping files on my other hard drives?
[06:19] <mdz> jasoncohen: if you believe that something you found in Debian is missing in Ubuntu's archive, please tell me in which package you found it in Debian.
[06:19] <krueger> I have just installed Tuxracer... but it works like shit... maybe it's because I have no Nvidia drivers installed.... i thought ubuntu installed that on default ?
[06:19] <krueger> ???
[06:19] <jasoncohen> mdz, i'm checking the file contents of gtk2-engines-industrial on debian now- one sec
[06:20] <Seveas> krueger, not really
[06:20] <tomchuk> raz: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf - in the Screen section you'll see a bunch of lists of resolutions, in all the lists put the resolution you want as default first
[06:20] <Seveas> krueger: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:20] <krueger> well... thanks
[06:20] <raz> tomchuk, it is.
[06:20] <tomchuk> raz: weird
[06:20] <spikeh> Can I migrate to Ubuntu Linux whilest keeping files on my other hard drives?
[06:20] <jasoncohen> mdz, i was right
[06:20] <jasoncohen> mdz, this is debian's gtk2-engines-industrial package
[06:21] <jasoncohen> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?version=stable&arch=i386&case=insensitive&word=gtk2-engines-industrial&searchmode=filelist
[06:21] <nalioth_wrkn> spikeh: yes you can
[06:21] <jasoncohen> mdz, and this is ubuntu's- http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=gtk2-engines-industrial&searchmode=filelist&case=insensitive&version=hoary&arch=i386
[06:21] <tomchuk> raz: what happens when you delete all the resolutions execept the 1280x800
[06:21] <spikeh> So, if I install into C, files on D, and E are all okay?
[06:22] <seb128> jasoncohen: that's because gtk2-engines-industrial/ubuntu is made from gtk2-engines and gtk2-engines doesn't ship these files
[06:22] <mdz> jasoncohen: right, those are actually quite different packages
[06:22] <mdz> built from different sources
[06:22] <Seveas> spikeh, yes indeed
[06:22] <spikeh> :D
[06:22] <r0d> using 'make' and isnt linking right. I get the error /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11
[06:22] <mortified_pengui> hey, does anyone know how to get around this error? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/330
[06:23] <Seveas> r0d, make usually calls the compiler and the linker...
[06:23] <spikeh> Oh, and I'm trying to download the DVD ISO image, but the BitTorrent tracker is down?
[06:23] <jasoncohen> seb128, so, the theme is basically missing from ubuntu?
[06:24] <r0d> Seveas, right. but it uses ld to link. just dont know y I'm having trouble
[06:24] <tomchuk> mortified_pengui: it seems to suggest that you should add the line "pci=usepirqmask" to your kernel args
[06:24] <seb128> jasoncohen: the gtk theme is gtk2-engines
[06:24] <seb128> jasoncohen: gtk2-engines-industrial
[06:24] <seb128> jasoncohen: the icon theme is not packaged atm, no, but that's going to be fixed
[06:25] <Seveas> r0bby, somehow it cannot find libX11.so or libX11.a
[06:25] <tomchuk> mortified_pengui: but if I had finshed reading, I'd have realized that you already tried that :)
[06:25] <jasoncohen> seb128, is it fixed in breezy?
[06:25] <seb128> jasoncohen: no, nobody pointed it before you
[06:26] <jasoncohen> this is odd- gtk2-engines-industrial is in breezy but doesn't show up when i want to check the file contents
[06:26] <jasoncohen> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=gtk2-engines-industrial&searchmode=filelist&case=insensitive&version=breezy&arch=i386
[06:26] <Darkside-XP> hey
[06:26] <seb128> jasoncohen: and that's quite an upstream decision, need to figure how to fix that
[06:26] <Darkside-XP> i got a question
[06:26] <Darkside-XP> whne i installed Ubuntu, there wasnt a option to pick my root password
[06:26] <seb128> jasoncohen: it's here for 2 days
[06:26] <Darkside-XP> so what is the root password :S
[06:26] <Seveas> Darkside-XP: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:26] <seb128> jasoncohen: the page is probably not uptodate
[06:26] <Seveas> there is no root password
[06:27] <seb128> jasoncohen: and we don't remove any default background that I know
[06:27] <Darkside-XP> oh
[06:27] <Darkside-XP> i feel stupid
[06:27] <jasoncohen> seb128, you sure, there are several backgrounds that debian included but ubuntu only includes the human backgrounds
[06:27] <seb128> jasoncohen: example?
[06:27] <jasoncohen> for example i use GNOME-Aqua
[06:27] <seb128> what Debian package is that?
[06:27] <jasoncohen> i'll check
[06:28] <jind> Does anybody know which commando I can use to add a script to a runlevel?
[06:28] <seb128> jasoncohen: gnome-backgrounds: /usr/share/pixmaps/backgrounds/gnome/branded/GNOME-Aqua.jpg
[06:28] <seb128> jasoncohen: apt-get install gnome-backgrounds?
[06:28] <jasoncohen> seb128, ok, i thought i had that installed
[06:28] <jasoncohen> yes- that's the package
[06:28] <tomchuk> jind: update-rc.d or install rcconf
[06:28] <jasoncohen> seb128, i think that's installed by default through debian's gnome meta package
[06:28] <seb128> jasoncohen: it's the same package as Debian ...
[06:28] <jind> tomchuk, thanks
[06:28] <Seveas> jind, you might also be interested in BUM
[06:29] <seb128> jasoncohen: maybe, but we install ubuntu artwork by default, which seems to be fair to me
[06:29] <Seveas> jind, see the 3rd party projects on the forum
[06:29] <jasoncohen> seb128, yeah, and i like ubuntu artwork. i just wanted to see the default stuff to. i guess it was stupid of me to assume it was installed
[06:29] <jasoncohen> i assumed ubuntu & debian used the same meta package
[06:29] <seb128> nop
[06:29] <seb128> ubuntu uses ubuntu-desktop
[06:30] <seb128> debian use gnome/gnome-desktop-environment/etc
[06:30] <jasoncohen> yeah
[06:30] <zAo^> will Breezy have GimpShop?
[06:32] <jasoncohen> zAo^, just check packages.ubuntu.com
[06:32] <zAo^> thnx jasoncohen
[06:33] <zAo^> it doesnt :(
[06:33] <jasoncohen> zAo^, is it in sid?
[06:33] <zAo^> yes, but it needs SID's libc
[06:35] <jasoncohen> zAo^, i don't see gimpshop on debian
[06:35] <zAo^> hmm. let me see
[06:35] <jasoncohen> what's the consensus on using backports? is it safe?
[06:36] <zAo^> sorry; there is a SID deb, it is not in the repro
[06:36] <zAo^> repo
[06:36] <Gearhead> not really ubuntu specific, but...  I have 2x512 MB Dual-channel DDR in my PC, but free and top says that total is 906200K... why is that?
[06:36] <jasoncohen> zAo^, can you add it's deb-src repo and rebuild with apt-get build dep gimp-shop ; apt-get source -b gimp-shop
[06:36] <jasoncohen> or whatever
[06:36] <zAo^> that doesnt work here for some reason
[06:37] <zAo^> compiling right now
[06:37] <jasoncohen> be more specific. what happens?
[06:37] <CarlFK> Gearhead - when you boot, hit escape to get tot he grub menu and pick memtest
[06:37] <jasmuz> Gearhead: how much ram is your Video using ? :P
[06:37] <CarlFK> Gearhead - that is a pretty good tool for seeing how much ram your box can use
[06:37] <zAo^> dont remember; I forgot about gimpshot for a while, but I needed PS again so I tried the oldfasioned way :)
[06:37] <zAo^> sorry for my bad english :$
[06:38] <devios> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=45488 - got an answer to my vnc copy and paste problem.  install and use x11vnc instead of ubuntu's vino.  vino is not capable of copy and paste.  now I just need to figure out how to run the command "x11vnc -display :0 -bg" when gdm starts...  I also need to figure out how to password protect x11vnc sessions like vino does.
[06:38] <Gearhead> jasmuz: it isn't integrated
[06:38] <pulk> Gearhead, what kernel do you use?
[06:38] <jasmuz> Gearhead: get that checked then with memtest
[06:38] <Gearhead> 2.6.12.1
[06:38] <Gearhead> ok, thx
[06:38] <ComPro> it continues to remain that if i start x without being logged in as root (sudo su -), fluxbox takes painfully long to load
[06:38] <jasoncohen> devios, man x11nvc. i think you just add -passwd password
[06:38] <ComPro> is there a way around this?
[06:39] <unome> hello fellow Ubuntunians
[06:39] <zAo^> ComPro, tried to remove your settingsfile?
[06:39] <jasmuz> hi unome
[06:39] <jasoncohen> is there a way to only use backports for some packages? ubuntu of course wants to upgrade every package to the newest version available which will be backport
[06:40] <devios> jasoncohen: there's a better way to do it though.  it says to use storepasswd to create a password file and then use rbauth.  but I don't seem to have the storepassword command
[06:40] <jasoncohen> in debian i could set a default release in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:40] <ComPro> where is the settings file?
[06:40] <zAo^> in your homedir. Dont know the name; sorry
[06:41] <jasoncohen> devios, sorry, i usually just use vnc4server
[06:42] <zAo^> lol: I compiled GimpShop from source and everything went ok. When I start Gimp, I get the GimpShop-splash, but the app is just Gimp!
[06:43] <unome> jason why don't you use synaptic after you add backports, so you can have some control on what upgrades you want?
[06:43] <zAo^> What did I do wrong?
[06:43] <devios> jasoncohen: your suggestion does work though
[06:43] <devios> jasoncohen: thanks
[06:43] <jasoncohen> devios, np
[06:43] <jasoncohen> unome, well, that still won't solve the problem of upgrades
[06:43] <devios> now to figure out how to make that command run when gdm starts
[06:44] <jasoncohen> unome, by default apt-get will try to install the newest version of every package available
[06:44] <raz> noob question: there's this custom build of firefox i launch w/ ./firefox from it's directory.. how can i make a 'shortcut' for it?
[06:44] <unome> jason, how so? synaptic I said, not apt-get
[06:44] <jasoncohen> unome, in debian you can set the default release in /etc/apt/apt.conf so i could for example have a testing distribution which some packages installed from unstable
[06:44] <Blue_Summer> lo all
[06:44] <Blue_Summer> brb gonna have tea :)
[06:45] <jasoncohen> unome, synaptic is just a frontend for apt. when you upgrade with synaptic it'll do the same
[06:45] <unome> jason, are you talking about dist-upgrade, or just some packages?
[06:46] <tomchuk> jasoncohen: you wanted to selectively update from backports right?
[06:46] <jasoncohen> tomchuk, yes
[06:46] <tomchuk> you can use apt pinning to pin to the "Ubuntu" label
[06:47] <tomchuk> you'd add the following to /etc/apt/preferences:
[06:47] <jasoncohen> ok, but that's per package. there's no way to treat backports as a seperate version, right?
[06:47] <tomchuk> Package: * \n Pin release l=Ubuntu \n Pin-Priority: 1001
[06:47] <jasoncohen> ok
[06:48] <tomchuk> jasoncohen: UBP uses "Ubuntu Backports Project" for a label, official Ubuntu repo uses "Ubuntu"
[06:48] <yonil> anyone got jre to work with firefox  ? i installed sun-j2re1.5 as written in the guide, but it still doesnt work ...
[06:48] <tomchuk> jasoncohen: I haven't tried it, but this *shoud* work
[06:49] <jasoncohen> tomchuk, so, that will prevent ubuntu packages from upgrading to backport unless explicitly told to?
[06:49] <zAo^> sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[06:49] <zAo^> yonil, ^^
[06:49] <yonil> zAo^, i wrote i did that ..
[06:50] <zAo^> you did not :P
[06:50] <zAo^> restarted FF?
[06:50] <yonil> zAo^, sure i did o_o
[06:50] <zAo^> sorry m8
[06:50] <yonil> heh :P
[06:50] <zAo^> :)
[06:50] <yonil> well it still doesnt work :(
[06:50] <yonil> ( i did restart FF)
[06:50] <tomchuk> jasoncohen: it should, you might have to pin the package you want to the UBP version or greater
[06:51] <zAo^> let me try :)
[06:51] <raz> How can one create a 'shortcut' to a app that is launched by using ./appnamehere
[06:52] <jasoncohen> tomchuk, is it generally fine to use backport rather than ubuntu packages?
[06:52] <unome> !backports
[06:52] <ubotu> well, backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[06:52] <tomchuk> generally, yes, they do go through some testing, but they are ported debian packages, so may differ from the Ubuntu ones
[06:53] <KarlosII> wallops and server notices galore :)
[06:53] <KarlosII> -lilo/Wallops- We're now a bit under 4/17's of the way through the rest of the fundraiser.... so just under 30 donations @ $32 US to go!
[06:53] <mcquaid> i'd really like some eye candy for tunes, libvisual looks really nice but no packages even in debian
[06:54] <jasoncohen> tomchuk, are packages like firefox & gaim quickly built for backports after a release?
[06:54] <tomchuk> jasoncohen: usually takes about a week or two to make it into sid then be backported and tested
[06:55] <Myrtti> KarlosII: is there a good show coming? ;-)
[06:55] <KarlosII> fundraising efforts to keep freenode running
[06:55] <jasoncohen> tomchuk, and if you use backports-staging ?
[06:55] <Myrtti> too bad I'm broke to the bone
[06:56] <tomchuk> jasoncohen: that'd cut the time down, but you open youself up to bugs if they crept in in the backporting process
[06:56] <spiral> hi
[06:57] <ComPro> i think i fixed my problem. thanks.
[06:57] <jasoncohen> tomchuk, does backports have a GPG key? i keep getting "these packages can't be authenticated" but i don't see anything on the backports site about their GPG key
[06:57] <tomchuk> jasoncohen: yeah, I think they do, one sec..
[06:57] <KarlosII>  -lilo/Wallops- personally, I'm anxious to get the fundraiser over with so we can free up wallops for its important use (erm, random messages and bad puns?) 8)
[06:57] <KarlosII> lol
[06:57] <Blue_Summer> Lo all
[06:57] <mcquaid> has anyone ever tried compiling libvisual?
[06:58] <Blue_Summer> can anyone tell me how to find out where i installed xmms? I tried hidden folders but i can't find it
[06:58] <mcquaid> which xmms
[06:58] <ocram> hello....i get this error message with synaptic: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: MD5Sum mismatch   this means there's some problem with the server or it's something concerning my configuration?
[06:58] <Blue_Summer> nvm found it haha
[06:58] <mcquaid> which will show you were the sym link is
[06:59] <tomchuk> jasoncohen: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 && gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -
[06:59] <tomchuk> jasoncohen: one sec, wrong one
[07:00] <Seveas> ocram, you should NOT use marillat with hoary
[07:01] <jasoncohen> tomchuk, did you notice that backport's konversation is broken. it depends on kdelibs4 3.4.1
[07:01] <ocram> Seveas, so i delete it from the repository list?.... it's strange 'cause i've never modified it and i've installed it two hours ago...this means that the default sources.list file get these repository....am i wrong?
[07:01] <ocram> anyway i'll do as u said. tnx
[07:02] <Seveas> ocram, have you used ubuntuguide or a newuserscript form the forum?
[07:03] <cyphase> Gooooood Morning! :D
[07:03] <tomchuk> jasoncohen: I think it must depend on the kubuntu.org kde 3.4.1 repo: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php
[07:03] <ocram> Seveas, telling the truth no... i just guessed it was almoust like the past realease... maybe i guess wrong. i'm here just because i've thinked about a server problem (not mine.. :))
[07:03] <ocram> ok, i'll read some guide :)
[07:04] <ocram> tnx a lot
[07:04] <Seveas> ocram, nono
[07:04] <Seveas> do nod read ubuntuguide,org
[07:04] <ocram> ahaha ok
[07:04] <Seveas> I was asking that since these 2 things are the cause of LOTS of errors
[07:05] <jasoncohen> tomchuk, 3.4.1 is stable enough for hoary?
[07:05] <colinw> anyone got experience in making xorg and ubuntu work on a dell gx280
[07:05] <tomchuk> jasoncohen: seems to be working fine for me, it's a bugfix release, so in theory it should be more stable than the original hoary release
[07:06] <jasoncohen> tomchuk, any downside to using it?
[07:06] <ocram> Seveas, i've deleted merillat from sources.list and now it seems all work well. tnx (so...merillat is from wartdog?)
[07:07] <Seveas> marillat is a 3rd party repository
[07:07] <wazdmin> does red hat cost money or somethin ?
[07:07] <tomchuk> jasoncohen: practially, no. but using unofficial repos might lead to problems when you want to dist-upgrade to breezy
[07:07] <Seveas> You must have added it yourself, it has never been and never will be in the default one
[07:07] <ocram> ah
[07:07] <Seveas> wazdmin, yes
[07:08] <djp> does anyone know if the kaffe implementation of java works with firefox?
[07:08] <ocram> Seveas, mmm ok :) maybe i've edited too many configuration files that i can't remember exactly what i've done... like in "dummy mode" :)
[07:08] <WeirdAl> Hey.
[07:09] <jasoncohen> tomchuk, and there's no GPG key on the kubuntu source either? i thought the keys were automatically downloaded and imported
[07:09] <Blue_Summer> quickly guys: where do i put gnome skins?
[07:09] <WeirdAl> Is it a known bug when you close a window and whatever you copied from it gets deleted from the clipboard?
[07:09] <WeirdAl> Or is there a fix?
[07:09] <Lamont|IRCnewb> anyone here do a software RAID 1 install of ubuntu?
[07:09] <wazdmin> here is a question for you...i was talkin to this guy last night and he said that the only problem with ubuntu iss that th libs arent next to eash other so people like me that have amd 64 cpu dont have a lot of applicaions..this is really starting take effect on me.i dont want to have to set up a 32 but cgroot enviorment everytime
[07:09] <Blue_Summer> quickly guys: where do i put gnome skins?
[07:09] <wazdmin> that made absolutley no sense
[07:09] <wazdmin> i am sorry..
[07:09] <Blue_Summer> ?
[07:10] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, art.gnome.org/faq.php
[07:10] <Blue_Summer> lol ty
[07:10] <WeirdAl> Blue_Summer, go to themes and add theme and give it the bz2
[07:10] <WeirdAl> Summink like that anyway.
[07:10] <WeirdAl> oh, food. tra
[07:10] <tomchuk> jasoncohen: you've got to import it manually from a public keyserver
[07:11] <wazdmin> what distro has a lot of applications compiled for amd 64 or is able to use 32 bit applications without having mesetupa a 32 bit envoriment
[07:11] <jasoncohen> tomchuk, why? the official ubuntu/debian repos always imported the key automatically
[07:11] <tomchuk> jasoncohen: no, they came with the key pre-imported
[07:11] <jasoncohen> oh
[07:12] <mc304> wazdmin, i'm running ubuntu hoary on amd64, so far so good, only a week or so
[07:12] <wazdmin> ya..i had one hel of a time installing java
[07:12] <mc304> get it?
[07:12] <tomchuk> the point is to find the key on a public keyserver, import it and then apt will make sure it matches with the one used to sign the package and the one on the repository
[07:12] <wazdmin> this is my first linnux distro
[07:13] <Lamont|IRCnewb> doesn't the AMD64 have some sort of 32-bit compat built in ?
[07:13] <mc304> there's a good install guide, if you don't have it, i can find url 4 u
[07:13] <jasoncohen> tomchuk, i think the version #s for the breezy kde packages are higher than the unofficial kubuntu packages - 3.4.1-0ubuntu4 v. 3.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary2
[07:13] <wazdmin> r u sure red hat costs money..i found a few downloadds for it
[07:13] <jasoncohen> so it should upgrade fine
[07:13] <Lamont|IRCnewb> red hat free is now known as Fedora I think
[07:13] <tomchuk> jasoncohen: yup, looks like it
[07:13] <mc304> amd64 will run 32bit, i'm running ubuntu64 tho
[07:13] <jasoncohen> wazdmin, red hat is a company. fedora core can be downloaded for free
[07:14] <wazdmin> i already have fedora core 3.man i hate it
[07:14] <jasoncohen> wazdmin, their RHEL (red hat enterprise linux) product costs money for support & upgrades
[07:14] <wazdmin> i installed it..it wouldnt even boot up
[07:14] <apollo2011> How do I edit the Gnome Menu?
[07:14] <apollo2011> Main Menu that is
[07:14] <jasoncohen> apollo2011, apt-get install smeg
[07:14] <wazdmin> biggest annoyance ever
[07:14] <jasoncohen> and then use smeg
[07:14] <apollo2011> jasoncohen: thx
[07:14] <Lamont|IRCnewb> Anyone here config'd RAID during install with ubuntu or using the same installer?
[07:15] <mc304> is the a postgres server apt-get install?
[07:15] <djp> ok, would using kaffe alongside gcjwebplugin give me an alternative java plugin for firefox?
[07:15] <wazdmin> is i386 and i586 the cpu arch.. the same...if not ..whats the diffrnce ?
[07:15] <Blue_Summer> it didn't give me a bz2 just aload of .png's and a couple .xmls
[07:15] <apollo2011> jasoncohen: smeg isnt found by apt or synaptic
[07:16] <Seveas> mc304, yes....
[07:16] <jasoncohen> apollo2011, i think it's in backports
[07:16] <apollo2011> jasoncohen: how do I get in to that?
[07:16] <mc304> seveas, package name? how do i get list of package names for future ref?
[07:17] <tomchuk> wazdmin: i586 = pentium
[07:17] <apokryphos> mc304: on your computer... dpkg -l
[07:17] <Seveas> mc304, you can search with apt-cache search or synaptic or on http://packages.ubuntu.com
[07:17] <mc304> thx
[07:17] <wazdmin> ohh
[07:17] <kestas> but what is i486?
[07:17] <wazdmin> so amd is 1386..both are 32 bit though ?
[07:17] <kestas> 486 I guess
[07:17] <kestas> nm
[07:17] <jasoncohen> apollo2011, you can add a backport source or install smeg manually
[07:17] <Seveas> kestas, i486 is the abbreviated name for the intel 486 CPU architecture
[07:18] <kestas> yeah stupid q
[07:18] <wazdmin> adn can i386 be installed on pentium and opposite
[07:18] <Lorenna> I'm very impressed...this is the first linux disto i've used that works...sound, vid networking, and it didn't make me waste time installing and then fixing it...By far the best i've used
[07:18] <jasoncohen> apollo2011, backports have newer versions of packages and backport-extras has packages from breezy that aren't on hoary
[07:18] <Seveas> wazdmin, i386 is suitable for 486s and up
[07:18] <tomchuk> a pentium can run i386, but a 386 cannont run i568 optimized binaries
[07:18] <Seveas> i686 for intels starting with P4
[07:19] <tomchuk> Seveas: starting with PPro, no?
[07:19] <kestas> p2 I think you mean
[07:19] <kestas> PPro even
[07:19] <jasoncohen> apollo2011, http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[07:19] <tomchuk> 686 = mmx instructions
[07:19] <wazdmin> what yall think of mandrake
[07:19] <jasoncohen> apollo2011, download the ubuntu hoary deb 0.7.5 and install with dpkg -i
[07:20] <Seveas> tomchuk/kestas, the -686 kernels are compiled with -march=pentium4, so they work best on P4 or higher. Every machine that is PPro or better can run it though
[07:20] <chfa1234> how to make update-notifier not to use hal?
[07:20] <punkass> anyone have ubuntu set up on a acer 4101?
[07:20] <kestas> ah I didnt know that, how confusing
[07:20] <kestas> I always wondered what -march does if it doesnt affect the instruction set
[07:20] <apollo2011> jasoncohen: id rather add the backports to synaptic and see what other software is available in there that I might be interested in.
[07:21] <jasoncohen> apollo2011, ok
[07:21] <Lorenna> i have is on a celeron 400/64mb ...it doensn't even seem that slow
[07:21] <Seveas> chfa1234, u-n does not use hal...
[07:21] <Albaraha> "apt-get upgrade" displays a not-existing linux deb file, here is the error message: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/332
[07:21] <jasoncohen> apollo2011, http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[07:21] <Albaraha> Am I doing any thing wrong?
[07:22] <highvoltage> anyone here using breezy? is it quite usable yet? I'm apt-getting -d dist-upgrading it now...
[07:22] <Seveas> Albaraha, try apt-get update
[07:22] <jasmuz> highvoltage: Breezy is still UNSTABLE!
[07:22] <Seveas> and simply install linux-386 then you won't have to hassle with verion numbers
[07:23] <Seveas> highvoltage, ABORT that dist-upgrade please
[07:23] <Seveas> Breezy is still too unstable for general use
[07:24] <enTr> hi
[07:24] <Lorenna> the driverer support isn't great for newer hardware so that's something to  look into.
[07:24] <enTr> where i can find list of linux command? Help please...
[07:24] <mc304> Seaveas, thx for help on finding postgreesql
[07:25] <jasmuz> enTr: do a google.com/linux search
[07:25] <Seveas> enTr, there are ZILLIONS of commands
[07:25] <Seveas> try: ls /usr/bin /bin
[07:25] <enTr> to many there but i never found the best and better one..
[07:25] <Seveas> that will give a lot already :)
[07:26] <jasoncohen> does anyone else notice a slight lag/freeze when changing websites in backport's firefox 1.0.4? i didn't notice this with sid's 1.0.4
[07:26] <jasoncohen> firefox seems to freeze for a second before switching
[07:26] <jasmuz> jasoncohen: no
[07:26] <enTr> u mean i have to type one by one... ls and man
[07:26] <FlyingSquirrel32> Okay, I'm looking to download gnome panel applets besides the one in the gnome-applets package, any ideas?
[07:27] <enTr> i mean command list that are easy to understand...
[07:27] <jasoncohen> also, resizing the firefox window is slow
[07:27] <jasmuz> enTr: not even linux+ certified technicians know every single command
[07:28] <Seveas> enTr, look at tldp.org, it has a shell-command intro...
[07:28] <moparfan90> hello
[07:28] <stratovarius> hey hi to evr'1
[07:28] <enTr> somebody that realy expert linux why don't you list down all the command syntax include some switches that are realy useful for linux newbie...
[07:28] <enTr> please...
[07:28] <Seveas> enTr, --> tldp.org
[07:28] <stratovarius> who can tell me why lopster doesn connect me?
[07:29] <jasmuz> enTr: you will only know while you see them useful
[07:29] <Lorenna> http://www.slackware.com/book/
[07:29] <Lorenna> it's what i've been usinging to et around
[07:31] <enTr> Sevens & Lorenna: Thanks...
[07:31] <littlefae> Hello people!
[07:31] <littlefae> Pretty people!
[07:31] <apollo2011> What does it mean when software is Not Authenticated? Some packages I try to install come up that they are Not Authenticated
[07:31] <littlefae> Netgear: It just works! ^_^
[07:32] <Seveas> apollo2011, that means the have no correct GPG signatures (backports suffers from that)
[07:32] <enTr> jasmuz: i will try some command later that are useful...
[07:32] <apollo2011> ok
[07:32] <apollo2011> Seveas: so presumably they are safe as long as you know the mirror is good
[07:32] <Seveas> apollo2011, sort of :)
[07:33] <djp> ok, would using kaffe alongside gcjwebplugin give me an alternative java plugin for firefox?
[07:33] <apollo2011> lol
[07:33] <Albaraha> jasoncohen, Isn't backports mirrors working?
[07:34] <Yeldarb> hi, can anyone here help me with samba?  I'm trying to share a folder to my windows xp (home) box, but I get a login prompt and nothing I try works.
[07:34] <jasoncohen> Albaraha, yes, at least the one i'm using
[07:34] <highvoltage> Seveas: ok. dist-upgrade aborted.
[07:34] <Albaraha> I've tried all of them, they're not working atm
[07:35] <littlefae> Yeldarb: Here's a trick I used that worked once.  Set up a user account and password on the XP machine that matches the login for your Linux box.  Hell of a hack, but it worked for me from OSX
[07:35] <moparfan90> any have good programs that would be useful to a noob on linux?
[07:35] <highvoltage> i've used debian unstable previously and i could tolerate its problems.
[07:35] <xabbu|> Hey all
[07:36] <Yeldarb> littlefae: do i need to be logged on with that account to access samba once i create it?
[07:36] <jasoncohen> highvoltage, you were going to upgrade to breezy?
[07:36] <jasoncohen> highvoltage, breezy is in worse shape than sid because it's development occurs at a faster pace
[07:37] <bassgoon> what is sid?
[07:37] <littlefae> Well, if you are using your linux user account to access the samba share, and you make sure that the WinXP machine has an identical username/password combination, I found that, whilst still a little touchy, it worked much better than without a matching password/user
[07:37] <Seveas> sid is debian unstable
[07:37] <xabbu|> Ihm having some problems with my palm. It seems as if I cannot get it to contact my computer. or vice versa.
[07:37] <bassgoon> ah
[07:37] <bassgoon> and ubuntu is based on debian correct?
[07:37] <Yeldarb> ok, thanks, i'll give it a try
[07:37] <littlefae> Yes it iss Bass
[07:38] <synd> where can i find out the various chanserv access levels?
[07:38] <highvoltage> jasoncohen: ah, ok. that would make sense.
[07:38] <highvoltage> thanks
[07:38] <jasoncohen> np
[07:39] <Lorenna> i'm really happy...I've tried most of the big widley known distros and wasted so much time...trying to get whatever to work...it's a lot more fun when the effort leads to solving the problem.
[07:39] <tommi^> Hi. I'm trying to get my nvidia drivers working. I have installed nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings and nvidia module is loaded. When I start Xorg the screen (both console and the X) is almost black (i can see little bit with my lcd screen which has high contrast). I have tried commenting out dri and glx options in xorg.conf but without any results. I'm using ubuntu Linux amanda 2.6.10-5-686-smp kernel. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=45486
[07:39] <tommi^> seems to be the same. Can you guys help me out?
[07:40] <jasoncohen> highvoltage, by the time sid had gnome 2.10, breezy had 2.11 (what will become 2.12 when it's complete). sid still doesn't have kde 3.4 and breezy has 3.4.1. sid doesn't have xorg yet. breezy has 2.6.12
[07:40] <Yeldarb> littlefai: still no go unfortunately; any other ideas?
[07:40] <digitalfox> jasoncohen, but sid is rock stable
[07:41] <jasoncohen> digitalfox, not since sarge has been released
[07:41] <jeroen_> digitalfox, isn't Breezy?
[07:41] <jeroen_> Sid's supposed to break
[07:41] <digitalfox> breezy is development still, isn't it?
[07:41] <jasoncohen> digitalfox, in one week, i lost sound in KDE and lost the ability to login to gnome and a few days later it was fixed
[07:41] <jeroen_> digitalfox, yeah
[07:41] <highvoltage> digitalfox: i think that's a big overstatement :) sid is usable, definately not rock stable!
[07:41] <digitalfox> the fact 2.11 is in it SAYS it's dev
[07:41] <Seveas> digitalfox, sid and rock stable is not an existing combination...
[07:41] <jasoncohen> digitalfox, sid is the development release of debian. it's always in development
[07:41] <digitalfox> OH
[07:41] <digitalfox> I'm thinking Woody
[07:41] <Seveas> :)
[07:41] <Seveas> woody is old
[07:41] <jasoncohen> and sarge is the new debian release
[07:41] <Seveas> and indeed tock stable
[07:41] <Seveas> rock*
[07:42] <timeless> jago25_98, Amaranth: thanks, reporter turned out to be good enough to help me resolve the bug as a duplicate
[07:42] <jasoncohen> i'm using sarge for my mythtv backend and it is indeed stable
[07:43] <phillipp> hi :)
[07:44] <highvoltage> well, sarge is officially stable now ;)
[07:44] <phillipp> since my last kernel update it says at boot i8024.nomux unknown boot option, and hence my synaptics touch pad doesnt work anymore
[07:44] <phillipp> any idea?
[07:44] <littlefae> Okay.... now I'm having troubles with networking
[07:45] <mcquaid> ok i was about to compile something using checkinstall
[07:45] <jasoncohen> highvoltage, though i did get one kernel paging failure after 10 days or so of uptime on my myth system
[07:45] <mcquaid> should i still pass prefix during the configure?
[07:45] <jasoncohen> i think that's ivtv related though which isn't in sarge
[07:45] <tommi^> And also this is the same, also without any helpfull answers. Seems to be a common problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39934 Any advices are greatly appreciated.
[07:45] <timeless> is the gtk2 package in ubuntu called 'gtk2' or something more creative?
[07:45] <deviant> hello guys.
[07:45] <jasoncohen> but i got all sorts of problems in mandrake where the performance would just drop to zip for no apparent reason. i don't have any performance issues in sarge
[07:45] <deviant> anyone here ever used cedega ?
[07:45] <phillipp> since my last kernel update it says at boot i8024.nomux unknown boot option, and hence my synaptics touch pad doesnt work anymore
[07:46] <timeless>    from /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/engines/libsmooth.so
[07:46] <phillipp> anyone got a solution to that problem?
[07:46] <timeless> is the library that's crashing
[07:46] <LeaChim> what does this error message mean? - Value too large for defined data type
[07:47] <LeaChim> i'm only trying to copy a 40meg file
[07:47] <Seveas> LeaChim, how..?
[07:47] <LeaChim> Seveas, cp
[07:47] <Lorenna> it's too bad my good pc...an amd3000! with 1gb and all high-mid range components is lacking drivers ...and creative won't even have win64 ones out till late Fall, so it'll be two years or more before it'll work on install i think
[07:47] <Seveas> LeaChim, hmm...
[07:48] <phillipp> since my last kernel update it says at boot i8024.nomux unknown boot option, and hence my synaptics touch pad doesnt work anymore
[07:48] <Seveas> just cp /path/to/file /path/to/new/file ..?
[07:48] <Seveas> phillipp: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[07:48] <LeaChim> first i was doing cp * -r /home/michael/.mozilla/thunderbird/
[07:48] <LeaChim> but for these 2 files
[07:49] <LeaChim> i tried on their own and it still failed
[07:49] <phillipp> okay seveas
[07:49] <phillipp> just find it strange that a boot option suddenly becomes unknown
[07:49] <hyperflow> first hander
[07:49] <Seveas> LeaChim, thats odd at least, is that the complete error?
[07:49] <Seveas> Which filesystem are you using?
[07:50] <tete> Hay algun hispano por aqui?
[07:50] <LeaChim> root@4paws:/mnt/win-c/Documents and Settings/Michael.4PAWS/Application Data/Thunderbird/Profiles # cp 0segjc2q.default/Mail/pop.btconnect.com/Inbox /home/michael/.mozilla/thunderbird/
[07:50] <LeaChim> cp: reading `0segjc2q.default/Mail/pop.btconnect.com/Inbox': Value too large for defined data type
[07:50] <Seveas> tete, va en #ubuntu-es por espanol
[07:50] <LeaChim> ext3
[07:50] <LeaChim> and the filesystme i'm copying from is ntfs mounted read only
[07:50] <tete> Gracias Seveas
[07:51] <Seveas> LeaChim, try mv instead of cp (it won't delete it since ntfs is read only)
[07:52] <LeaChim> mv: reading `0segjc2q.default/Mail/pop.btconnect.com/Inbox': Value too large for defined data type
[07:53] <Seveas> LeaChim, and if you cd into the folder that contains the file?
[07:54] <LeaChim> cp: reading `Inbox': Value too large for defined data type
[07:54] <chrissturm> LeaChim, ls -l Inbox
[07:54] <LeaChim> -r-xr-xr-x  1 root root 52026476 2005-06-16 12:19 Inbox
[07:55] <Seveas> that's an extremely big inbox...
[07:55] <LeaChim> orospakr, slightly more readable: -r-xr-xr-x  1 root root 50M 2005-06-16 12:19 Inbox
[07:55] <Seveas> ah wait, I wisread that
[07:55] <LeaChim> i don't tend to throw stuff away
[07:56] <Seveas> 50M is not big :)
[07:56] <LeaChim> no
[07:56] <Blue_Summer> Guys every time i start gaim and click on a persons name it closes the whole application
[07:56] <LeaChim> so wtf is it complaining?
[07:56] <Seveas> I misread it to be 500M :)
[07:56] <LeaChim> lol
[07:56] <Seveas> LeaChim, no f*ing clue :|
[07:56] <jasoncohen> hibernate doesn't work on my dell inspiron 8200 w/ 640 MB pc2700 RAM. it takes a very long time to complete hibernating and turn off and then it fails to resume properly. it sits at a blank screen
[07:56] <phillipp> mhm seveas where did you say should i join for info
[07:56] <Seveas> LeaChim, can you please ask on #ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com, this looks like a really odd bug...
[07:56] <LeaChim> ok
[07:57] <Seveas> LeaChim, does it immediately say it or after copying a part of it?
[07:57] <Seveas> phillipp, sorry, info about wat..?
[07:57] <KassU> Hey... How can I get firestarter run on login of every users without adding commands separately to every users sessions?
[07:57] <phillipp> the boot option i8024.nomux to do with synaptics touchpad
[07:57] <Blue_Summer> anyone know why when i try to start a conversation on gaim it automatically closes the whole of gaim
[07:57] <Seveas> KassU, you don't need to run firestarter to enable the firewall....
[07:57] <phillipp> after kernel update it said "uknown boot option"
[07:58] <Seveas> firestarter is merely a front-end to it
[07:58] <KassU> Seveas: I know but I want it to the tray
[07:58] <Seveas> KassU, ah...
[07:58] <C_J_Pro> Anyone here good with proFTPd problems?
[07:58] <Seveas> add it to the default Xsession then
[07:59] <Blue_Summer> Can anyone tell me why gaim closes everytime i try to create a conversation with someone?
[07:59] <Seveas>  KassU see /etc/gdm/PostLogin
[07:59] <KassU> Seveas: How do I do that? I'm a newb =/
[07:59] <C_J_Pro> Blue_Summer: I had the same problem on my Gentoo PC
[07:59] <Blue_Summer> any idea what to do CJ?
[07:59] <C_J_Pro> Blue_Summer: It started when I upgraded XOrg
[07:59] <Seveas> KassU, add a line containing firestarter to default.sample in that folder
[07:59] <C_J_Pro> Blue_Summer: Nope
[08:00] <Seveas> and rename it to default
[08:00] <Blue_Summer> i don't have that lol
[08:00] <Blue_Summer> is there another program like Gaim i can use?
[08:00] <C_J_Pro> I sometimes use Kopete on KDE
[08:00] <C_J_Pro> but that failed after the upgrade
[08:00] <Blue_Summer> can i use it on gnome?
[08:00] <doonz> is there anyway to get mp4 files to play ???
[08:00] <C_J_Pro> don't think so
[08:00] <C_J_Pro> last I checked
[08:01] <Seveas> doonz: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[08:01] <Seveas> look at the faad section
[08:01] <Blue_Summer> CJ: Can i reinstall gaim?
[08:01] <C_J_Pro> I believe you can
[08:01] <C_J_Pro> may help
[08:01] <Blue_Summer> any idea how?
[08:01] <C_J_Pro> didn't try it
[08:01] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, try moving ~/.gaim out of the way
[08:01] <Blue_Summer> out of the way of where?
[08:01] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, just rename it :)
[08:01] <Seveas> mv ~/.gaim ~/.gaim-old
[08:02] <Blue_Summer> lol how? :(
[08:02] <Seveas> ^--
[08:02] <Blue_Summer> ty
[08:03] <Blue_Summer> YAY IT WORKS!
[08:03] <Blue_Summer> ty Seveas, my new best friend ^^
[08:03] <phillipp> im getting really frustrated, seveas, maybe u dont know the solution to my problem, but.. what could be the reason that a boot option works before i upgrade the kernel, and hten is "unknown" after hte upgrade?
[08:04] <Seveas> phillipp, maybe the driver was changed...
[08:04] <Blue_Summer> thanx all be back in 3/4 hour
[08:04] <Seveas> phillipp, try asking on the ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com mailing list, they are the people who chage these things :)
[08:04] <PTK> hey guys, I get a cpio:   /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x0000002a95556000): No such file or directory when running mkinitrd any ideas why? (the file is a link to ld-2.3.5.so
[08:05] <phillipp> seveas, so i just email my problem to that email adress?
[08:05] <Albaraha> where can I get flash package?
[08:05] <KassU> Seveas: What I need to add to the default.sample?
[08:05] <littlefae> Universe? O_O
[08:05] <jasoncohen> does anyone here use kaffeine-mozilla? it's very nice but it constantly kills firefox
[08:05] <Seveas> phillipp, you have to be subscribed to that list first
[08:05] <phillipp> okay..
[08:06] <Seveas> KassU, a line simply saying firestarter (or gksudo firestarter if it needs a password)
[08:06] <atomik> hi all
[08:06] <Seveas> Albaraha, enable multiverse and get the flashplayer-mozilla package
[08:06] <KassU> Seveas: And I need to rename it to default?
[08:06] <Seveas> yes
[08:06] <KassU> ok
[08:06] <KassU> I'll try that
[08:06] <atomik> I've just installed ubuntu but during the install he didn't ask me to enter the root password......what's the default root password?
[08:06] <KassU> Um... And then I won't need it in sessions?
[08:07] <phillipp> okay..
[08:07] <highvoltage> atomik: the first user you create will have sudo-root.
[08:07] <highvoltage> so you can type sudo
[08:07] <Seveas> atomik: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:07] <Seveas> please read that page for a full explanation
[08:07] <highvoltage> erm... sudo command, and then enter your own passowrd to run the command as root.
[08:07] <atomik> highvoltage: yes so I have to enter the password of the first user ?
[08:07] <Albaraha> yeah, got that. thanks Seveas
[08:07] <highvoltage> or read the wiki page :)
[08:08] <highvoltage> atomik: yes, read the wiki page that Seveas posted. that explains it well.
[08:08] <C_J_Pro> Anybody here use VHCS?
[08:08] <Seveas> atomik, the short version: get used to the new and improved linux security model. It's here to stay. You won't need a root password anymore :)
[08:08] <flugh> man, ubuntuguide.org takes all the fun and aggrevation out of using the distro. what a great piece of info
[08:08] <Seveas> ubuntuguide sucks
[08:08] <unome> lo
[08:09] <flugh> bah
[08:09] <highvoltage> unome: lo 127.0.0.1
[08:09] <atomik> thanks
[08:09] <unome> highvoltage: hehe
[08:09] <Seveas> highvoltage :)
[08:09] <jasoncohen> Seveas, what don't you like about ubuntuguide?
[08:09] <ailean> guys, i'm a fedora user who is interested in using ubuntu, if it really is easier
[08:09] <ailean> but what is it that makes it easier??
[08:09] <apokryphos> ailean: simple answer: yes
[08:09] <squinn> ailean, its a lot faster
[08:09] <Seveas> jasoncohen, suboptimal to silly to plain wrong solutions, no explanations at all, the author doeds not cooperate...
[08:10] <apokryphos> ailean: I find debian systems quite superior in general
[08:10] <Seveas> ailean, apt beats yum
[08:10] <highvoltage> ailean: it's easier to maintain, thanks to apt. from an end-user perspective both are pretty much the same.
[08:10] <ailean> yeah, but i could put apt on this system
[08:10] <Seveas> ailean, and the fact that ubuntu Just Works is good :)
[08:10] <apokryphos> Seveas: Fedora mainly uses apt, as far as I know. Many use Yum though.
[08:10] <highvoltage> but from a sysadmin perspective, ubuntu is much easier.
[08:10] <IcemanV9> ailean: it simply works "out of the box"
[08:10] <ailean> ah right
[08:10] <Lorenna> http://www.slackware.com/book/ <--- I've used this and it works...but I'd really like know if theres a reason the umbuntu docs seem to be missing so much.
[08:10] <Seveas> apokryphos, in that case: debs beat the stinking rpm hell...
[08:10] <apokryphos> indeed
[08:10] <ailean> this mostly just works out of the box, to be fair
[08:10] <jasoncohen> apokryphos, most fedora users actually use yum- not sure why- it's slow and crappy
[08:11] <flugh> ailean, i've moved from fedora to ubuntu at home
[08:11] <highvoltage> Fedora does can use apt, but it doesn't have remotely the ammount of packages that ubuntu has.
[08:11] <highvoltage> so you have to download dodgy rpm's or compile things from source a lot.
[08:11] <apokryphos> jasoncohen: odd; it must have changed then since I last used it...
[08:11] <Lorenna> like Sambe, smb, smbcong were my first 3 searches...so i gave up.
[08:11] <jasoncohen> anyone know if the madwifi driver included with the restricted modules package supports WPA-PSK?
[08:11] <Lorenna> Samba in the search too even
[08:11] <ailean> i quite like the idea of using an african OS though :)
[08:12] <highvoltage> ailean: ubuntu isn't an african OS.
[08:12] <ailean> i thought it was
[08:12] <highvoltage> it's an international project.
[08:12] <ailean> aye, ok
[08:12] <highvoltage> but it is founded by a south african.
[08:12] <oneiron> Good afternoon, just upgraded to Breezy and X won't start
[08:12] <apokryphos> oneiron: you shouldn't have
[08:12] <oneiron> thank you
[08:13] <highvoltage> hehe! glad i stopped that upgrade :)
[08:13] <Seveaz> Lorenna, the docteam is working hard, remember that Ubunti is very young
[08:13] <Seveaz> oneiron, breezy is unstable do not use it
[08:13] <Seveas> especially if you don't know how to fix things like this
[08:13] <ailean> the installation process then - can i install it on top of fedora, so that i can choose between them?
[08:13] <Seveas> ailean, sure...
[08:13] <Seveas> make a partition for Ubuntu and you're set
[08:13] <oneiron> I forgot that #ubuntu doesnt support breezy
[08:13] <apokryphos> ailean: Not really "on top", but on a different partitoin, sure.
[08:13] <flugh> ailean, i'd not do it on the same / partition if that's what you are talking about
[08:13] <ailean> just a single partition, and it'd pick up my /home partition from fedora then?
[08:13] <Seveas> oneiron, it's impossible to support breezy...
[08:14] <Seveas> ailean, if you tell the installer to: yes
[08:14] <oneiron> cant i just get x started
[08:14] <ailean> hmmm
[08:14] <highvoltage> oneiron: startx
[08:14] <ailean> i'm not an expert on all of this yet
[08:14] <oneiron> right...
[08:14] <Seveas> oneiron, try to find and fix the problem
[08:14] <IcemanV9> oneiron: come back in Oct - we'll support breezy :)
[08:14] <flugh> oneiron, startx --please
[08:14] <apokryphos> oneiron: even if you get past that problem, you'll come across many others.
[08:14] <hondje> I've shared $HOME between distros
[08:14] <ailean> i've only been using linux at all for about a month
[08:14] <hondje> works fine
[08:14] <Seveas> flugh, lol :)
[08:14] <flugh> :)
[08:14] <Seveas> startx --goddamnit
[08:15] <ailean> how did you do that, hondje ?
[08:15] <Lorenna> It may be young, I could see some things being missing or imcomplete...but major aspects like Samba never being in the docs once? it's a waste of time to even try that
[08:15] <oneiron> Seveas, thank you
[08:15] <highvoltage> ailean: if you're not an expert, by any definition, you should definately, definately not be using any pre-release distro! *especially* not breezy
[08:15] <Seveas> highvoltage, you're mixing up people ;)
[08:15] <apokryphos> highvoltage: ahem. Not even Debian? ;)
[08:15] <hondje> hehe
[08:15] <highvoltage> oh yes, i am. sorry. i blame it on jetlag ;)
[08:15] <ailean> i'm not using breezy, highvoltage
[08:15] <hondje> Sid is going loco in a bit I hear
[08:15] <ailean> i'm on fedora core 4
[08:16] <highvoltage> honje: loco?
[08:16] <Seveas> oneiron, the reason we cannot support X is that the X-bug of the day will be fixed tomorrow and a new bug will appear
[08:16] <ompaul> el loco - mad?
[08:16] <apokryphos> ailean: and it's not too good?
[08:16] <Seveas> so really: do NOT use it if you can't solve things yourself
[08:16] <apokryphos> FC3 wasn't too bad; [K] ubuntu is just a lot better
[08:16] <Sionide> hm
[08:16] <ailean> apokryphos, no, it's very good. I've only had probs with it cos i'm not good at using it :)
[08:16] <Sionide> how do i make sound files automatically open with xmms, not totem?
[08:16] <Seveas> Fedora Crap 4 is a better name ;)
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[08:16] <james__> lmao, Seveas
[08:17] <sly> Seveas. going onto the esd problem
[08:17] <highvoltage> better than? ubuntu 5.04? <ducks>
[08:17] <Seveas> Sionide, rightclick on a sound file and select properties
[08:17] <Sionide> oh yeah course
[08:17] <Seveas> Sionide, and then the 'open with' tab
[08:17] <Sionide> got it
[08:17] <Sionide> thanks!
[08:17] <sly> i can only get sound out of any video in xine if i kill esd 1st
[08:17] <Sionide> just couldn't remember where that was:)
[08:17] <sly> but then get no sound out of anything else
[08:17] <Seveas> sly, configure xine to use esd then :)
[08:17] <sly> i dont truely know what im doing and switching between running it and killing it to watch video isnt realy pratical
[08:18] <Roey> hello all
[08:18] <Roey> crimsun:  hey dude
[08:18] <sly> i had a quick glance at option but couldnt see anything =\
[08:18] <Seveas> sly, there must be an option....
[08:18] <ailean> has anyone had a look at the looking glass project on sun?
[08:18] <ailean> looks quite interesting
[08:18] <Seveas> sly, maybe you need to dig in gconf-editor
[08:18] <apokryphos> ailean: Yup, had it installed for a short period
[08:18] <Seveas> (never used xine, so cannot give precise instructions)
[08:18] <ailean> how did it run?
[08:19] <apokryphos> It's very nice, but still has a lot of work to be done on it. First tried it at a Linux Expo
[08:19] <apokryphos> ailean: pretty smoothly, when I used it. The possible manipulation of all windows is amazing.
[08:19] <ailean> i couldn't get the java jdk to install, so i've not tried it yet
[08:19] <KassU> Seveas: It won't start =/
[08:19] <Seveas> ailean, java is easy to install on Ubuntu :)
[08:20] <ailean> ouch Seveas :)
[08:20] <apokryphos> There's quite a few requirements to get it running as I recall, but none were really hard to get
[08:20] <ailean> i'm a fan of open source in general - don't look at me as the opposition just cos i'm running Fedora just now :D
[08:20] <Seveas> apokryphos, for Ubuntu..?
[08:20] <atrus_> so how do i disable sound in X from the command line?
[08:20] <Roey> hi
[08:20] <Seveas> ailean, shoo, get out ;))
[08:21] <Seveas> atrus_, amixer set "Master" mute
[08:21] <ailean> heh
[08:21] <sly> nope not that i can see anywhere , ooopsy :(
[08:21] <apokryphos> Seveas: I ran it on FC3, and packages for that are a lot harder to get; I'm sure it could easily be done on Ubuntu, sure.
[08:21] <hondje> Hey Seveas
[08:21] <hondje> How be thee?
[08:21] <leito> hi!! jdub is here?
[08:21] <Roey> In /etc/cupsys/printers.conf,  my DeviceURI: entry  is this: smb://UserName:UserPassword@ShareMaster/PrinterName.  Now, the password does have special chars, and I want to escape them. How can I do this?
[08:21] <Albaraha> Seveas, can you help me with installing splashy, here is the error I get: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/338
[08:21] <atrus_> thanks seveas
[08:21] <ailean> ok ok ok i'll download ubuntu - what's the stable version called?? :)
[08:21] <Seveas> apokryphos, the horror with java is the licensing, that makes it hard for any distro to create easy-to-install java packages
[08:21] <IcemanV9> ailean: you could d/l livecd to see what Ubuntu looks like
[08:22] <Seveas> hi hondje, fine :)
[08:22] <ailean> i heard they didn't run very smoothly IcemanV9 . Didn't think it'd be a fair comparison
[08:22] <hondje> :)
[08:22] <Seveas> ailean, Ubuntu 5.04 "The Hoary Hedgehog release"
[08:22] <xxtreme> ailean= dont do us any favors
[08:22] <apokryphos> Seveas: Yup. They're getting better though, aren't they? I heard they're releasing more source
[08:22] <IcemanV9> well, in my case, it ran beautifully :)
[08:22] <ailean> sorry, xxtreme?
[08:22] <Seveas> apokryphos, Sun sure isn't///
[08:22] <galaxie> hello, it's galaxie the level 0 noob. I installed ubuntu allright, was surprised of the ease of it all. thumbs up, big time. got the gui to multiboot with win xp with grub, works nicely, but I just haven't found out how to make windows the default choice. I've read the manual, bi
[08:22] <Seveas> but the GNU java stuff keeps improving
[08:22] <galaxie> but still didn't get it :)
[08:23] <PTK> sly: have u got the xine thing working yet?
[08:23] <apokryphos> Seveas: I thought they were... Solaris and stuff being released for free n' all
[08:23] <Seveas> galaxie, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:23] <IcemanV9> ailean: that's how i've come to decide to install ubuntu
[08:23] <HiddenWolf> galaxie, read /boot/grub/menu.lst, it's all there
[08:23] <Seveas> apokryphos, well, no
[08:23] <highvoltage> galaxie: press alt+f2, then type 'gksudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst'
[08:23] <Seveas> there's a really icky license there...
[08:23] <highvoltage> enter your password, and change the default number
[08:23] <galaxie> yeah thanks, but just a bit afraid to touch it... can i mess it up bad?
[08:23] <apokryphos> 'tis a shame
[08:23] <Seveas> galaxie, look for a line that says: default    0
[08:23] <sly> nope
[08:23] <highvoltage> galaxie: OF COURSE YOU CAN!
[08:23] <Seveas> galaxie, not if you follow my instructions ;)
[08:24] <sly> got othe rplayers using esd , i just prefer xine
[08:24] <highvoltage> mhuhahahahahahaha
[08:24] <IcemanV9> oh yeah, ailean, you only need ONE cd to install Ubuntu :P
[08:24] <Seveas>  /kick highvoltage   :p
[08:24] <topyli> uhh, so gmailfs doesn't work on hoary?
[08:24] <unome> Ubuntu stands for: Unlike Before, linUx Now is Usable
[08:24] <Seveas> unome, excellent :)
[08:24] <unome> wait I forgot the T: Too
[08:24] <Seveas> but Ubuntu has a very different meaning
[08:24] <galaxie> ok, seveas: default is zero - what should it be?
[08:24] <PTK> sly: try setting expereince level to master of the known universe in the setup screen frist then check out the audio tab
[08:24] <Nameless1> can someone help me, i just installed the ati drivers on kubuntu and the ati control panel is saying its missing the FIREGL X11 EXTENTIONS, i have tried to find them in the distro, can someone help me
[08:25] <zip> how do you make alternate characters like  or  in ubuntu?
[08:25] <ailean> well that's a plus, IcemanV9. I can install whatever i need after it's up and running
[08:25] <unome> Seveas: yeah I know but wont hurt to have a motto :p
[08:25] <sly> k will do now, cheer s:)
[08:25] <Seveas> galaxie, set it to 4
[08:25] <Seveas> that will boot XP by default
[08:25] <Seveas> Nameless1: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:25] <gm78> zip, Applications >> Accesories >> Character Map
[08:25] <IcemanV9> ailean: yep
[08:25] <ailean> Do i need to run this cd from boot?
[08:25] <Seveas> ailean, to install Ubuntu: yes
[08:25] <sly> PTK - your a star =D
[08:25] <gm78> ailean, yes u do, to install the OS
[08:25] <Nameless1> thanx sev
[08:26] <ailean> k
[08:26] <zip> gm78: there isn't a key-combo?
[08:26] <Seveas> (it is possible to do without iirc, but quite hard)
[08:26] <PTK> sly: glad I could help
[08:26] <sly> thanx again PTK :)
[08:26] <gm78> zip, not exactly sure, im an english speaker :-P
[08:26] <gm78> zip, thats the only way i know to do it. if u r using openoffice, it has its own built in character map
[08:26] <ailean> there's a gnome bar you can add, zip
[08:26] <zip> ahh.. i'm used to OS X making it easy to do accented characters =p
[08:26] <zip> ailean: i use Xfce
[08:27] <ailean> k
[08:27] <gm78> zip, ubuntu may be easy to do it too. ive just never tried
[08:27] <galaxie> do i leave groot to (0,2) or should i change it to (0,0) which is the windows partition?
[08:27] <geko> hi guys
[08:27] <ailean> you could perhaps changed your keyboard layout
[08:27] <ailean> to US international for example
[08:27] <geko> anyone uses the mplayer plugin for firefox?
[08:27] <ailean> which would activate the accent keys
[08:27] <zip> ailean: ahh, good idea. alt-e for example?
[08:27] <Seveas> zip, you have many options for accented chars, see system -> prefs -> keyboard
[08:28] <Seveas> I prefer the compose-key approach
[08:28] <gm78> geko, it doesnt work very well. there is an extension for firefox that lets u open streaming video/audio in an external program, as far as im concerned it works much better
[08:28] <Seveas> geko, yes
[08:28] <zip> seveas: thanks
[08:28] <ailean> no, 'e = 
[08:28] <topyli> does anyone use gmailfs successfully?
[08:28] <geko> Seveas, it buffer all
[08:28] <geko> but i can't see anything
[08:28] <ailean> and `e = 
[08:28] <PTK> geko, yeah but I compiled it myself.. for some reasont he packaged version was missing a lot of features
[08:28] <gm78> geko, altho other people have no problem with it....guess u have to luck out (or maybe i just have bad luck)
[08:28] <Seveas> geko, yeah, happens sometimes, follow gm78's advice..
[08:29] <geko> k thx
[08:29] <ateves> hi, i have a mounting question (i'm new to that): when i use mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/ -t auto it is mounted, but i can't access the mnt folder via nautilus
[08:29] <ateves> why not?
[08:29] <Seveas> ateves, is it a windows drive?
[08:29] <gm78> geko, i honestly dont remember the name of the plugin. ud have to search on mozilla's add-on website
[08:29] <ateves> yes
[08:29] <Seveas> ateves: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/windows_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[08:29] <gm78> geko, i switched to opera so i dont use firefox anymore
[08:29] <galaxie> seveas, cheers, it's nice that some people got the patience to help us :) -> boot
[08:30] <unome> Seveas: did you write that script yourself?
[08:30] <geko> gm78, i'll try with video lan
[08:30] <ateves> is this the only way to mount win partitions?
[08:30] <Seveas> unome, indeed
[08:30] <Seveas> ateves, of course not
[08:30] <unome> Thanks mate
[08:30] <ateves> :)
[08:30] <Seveas> ateves, but it is the easiest way
[08:30] <gm78> geko, good choice!
[08:30] <Seveas> you have to run it once (and then throw it out), and they will be mounted on every boot
[08:31] <ateves> sounds nice, but for university i need the "hand made" version :(
[08:31] <Seveas> hehe :)
[08:31] <Seveas> ok, here goes:
[08:32] <Seveas> hmm, i'm not gonna type it out again :)
[08:32] <Seveas> ateves, you know a little shell scripting?
[08:32] <ateves> yes
[08:32] <Seveas> then download and read the script :)
[08:32] <ateves> k
[08:32] <Seveas> you'll see which options you need
[08:32] <Seveas> man mount will help understand the rest
[08:33] <ateves> and another question: i cannot use anything else then /mnt/ as mounting point, if i use /mnt/foo/ he tells me that foo is no mountingpoint. do i have to define them?
[08:33] <Seveas> ateves, you will have to make the directory first
[08:34] <ateves> hmpf!
[08:34] <unome> lol
[08:34] <ateves> and i thought it will be created on the fly
[08:34] <ailean> how do french people type cedillas???
[08:34] <ailean> sorry
[08:35] <Seveas> 
[08:35] <unome>  /j  #ubuntu-fr
[08:35] <Seveas> ailean, system -> prefs -> keyboard
[08:35] <Seveas> there you can set how
[08:36] <Seveas> I type [menu key]  , c (not simultaneously but sequentially), this is the 'compose key' approach
[08:36] <ailean> yeah, ive managed to set up everything for other letters
[08:36] <ailean> even  - what use is that??? :)
[08:37] <zip> ava? :P
[08:37] <terje> !repositories
[08:37] <ubotu> well, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:37] <Seveas>  
[08:37] <unome> oui cava meric et toi?
[08:37] <Weiss> c
[08:37] <Weiss> whoops
[08:37] <Seveas> C is an excellent programming language
[08:37] <Seveas> ;)O
[08:38] <PTK> cpio:   /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x0000002a95556000): No such file or directory <--- anyone know why that happens when the file exists?
[08:38] <unome> indedd along with body language
[08:38] <apokryphos> just not as good as C++ ;-)
[08:38] <zip> ack C++
[08:38] <IcemanV9> what is a good way to clean up the HD when it is running out of space?? i do know about apt-get autoclean, but what's else?
[08:38] <zip> *makes hand signs to ward off the devil*
[08:38] <Seveas> IcemanV9, rm -rf /
[08:38] <unome> ouch
[08:38] <Seveas> that's the big cleaner ;)
[08:38] <unome> lol
[08:38] <IcemanV9> very funny, Seveas
[08:38] <IcemanV9> :P
[08:38] <Seveas> :D
[08:39] <unome> atleast add -i to that :/
[08:39] <ubuntu> hey
[08:39] <ubuntu> i jost got cd :P
[08:39] <ubuntu> of ubuntu
[08:39] <ubuntu> lol
[08:39] <IcemanV9> seriously ... is there a way?
[08:40] <Seveas> IcemanV9, try du to find out which folders take up space....
[08:40] <Seveas> and delete your pr0n collection :)
[08:40] <zip> pr0n? where?
[08:40] <unome> :x
[08:40] <Seveas> zip, /var/pr0n :p
[08:41] <zip> /home/zip/.sysfile
[08:41] <zip> ^_^
[08:41] <mauper> /dev/pr0n that is ,)
[08:41] <IcemanV9> pr0n? ha. k
[08:41] <highvoltage> Seveas: that won't help, since it's probably all mpegs and jpegs
[08:41] <terje> can anyone recommend a repository that's got mplayer?
[08:41] <terje> I need the actual line from apt.sources if you have it handy.
[08:41] <zip> there needs to be a pr0n reprository
[08:41] <refuze2looze> terje: universe?
[08:41] <Seveas> terje UBuntu multiverse
[08:41] <PTK> lol
[08:41] <mauper> zip: agreed
[08:41] <mauper> ;)
[08:41] <Seveas> terje: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[08:42] <jasmuz> dont delete the pr0n send it to me
[08:42] <terje> Sevas, thanks.
[08:42] <zip> and a hentai adventure game for linux
[08:42] <Seveas>  /dev/pr0n would be a videocamera :)
[08:42] <zip> i want /dev/pr0nstar
[08:42] <unome> I believe you can find what users use more space with find / -user zip -print -xdev | xargs ls - ldS > /tmp/zip
[08:43] <mauper> zip: mount /dev/pr0nstar ? ;)
[08:43] <zip> hm. we probably should get off this topic.. children are in this channel ;p
[08:43] <zip> mauper: ROFL :D
[08:43] <Seveas> mauper, lol :D
[08:43] <lewis_> is it possible to run OpenGL apps on amd64 inside a 32bit chroot?  (I've got an ATi card)... any OpenGL app I try inside the chroot says: "ERROR: DDX driver parameter mismatch: got 832 bytes, but expected 704 bytes."/"libGL error: InitDriver failed" and then falls back to using mesa software rendering
[08:44] <_judith> how do I see my windows partition from Ubuntu?
[08:44] <mostacho> ola
[08:44] <Seveas> _judith: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/windows_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[08:44] <mostacho> el canal d eubuntu espaol
[08:44] <Lamont|IRCnewb> __judith you have to mount it
[08:44] <mostacho> ubunto chanel spanish
[08:44] <apokryphos> _judith: ubuntugiude.org
[08:44] <Seveas> ola mostacho, va en #ubuntu-es por espanol
[08:44] <quidam> edit fstab
[08:44] <Seveas> apokryphos, ubuntuguide is bad
[08:44] <apokryphos> Seveas: why?
[08:44] <_judith> Seveas: It will work with Kubuntu also?
[08:44] <apokryphos> _judith: course
[08:44] <Seveas> _judith, yes
[08:45] <Blue_Summer> lo all
[08:45] <Seveas> apokryphos, suboptimal to plain wrong solutions, no explanations, uncooperative author...
[08:46] <apokryphos> Seveas: I agree that it could do a little more on the explanation side, but I have little or no quarrell with the actual solutions a lot of the time. No idea what the guy's like
[08:46] <apokryphos> Seveas: suffice it to say, I prefer the kudos one easily (excellent author there, certainly; spoken to him a cupla times).
[08:46] <nebular> I'm having a hell of a time trying to get ubuntu installed on an older system. P133 with 64mb of ram
[08:46] <Lamont|IRCnewb> To anyone that was here when I was asking about making a RAID1 install.... I had to make the 1.5GB SWAP partition actually a raid partition on both drives, and then make the RAID partition of that 1.5GB a swap partition.
[08:46] <nebular> when isntalling the base system it errors out when dpkg tries to clean up
[08:46] <nebular> saying the file system is read only
[08:46] <mostacho> seveas gracias
[08:46] <LeaChim> Seveas, fyi
[08:46] <Lamont|IRCnewb> didn't work to make the swap partition not it';s own RAID1
[08:46] <highvoltage> unless it's text files, then i would recommend tar -cjf
[08:46] <highvoltage> i've heard ppl refer to something as 'sms sex'. the sheer mechanics of it is mind-bogling.
[08:46] <highvoltage> *silence* ok... i'll shut up then....
[08:47] <LeaChim> Seveas, i copied the files by scp'ing them from windows to my other *nix box - and then back in ubuntu copying them back
[08:47] <nebular> anyone have any ideas?
[08:48] <Lamont|IRCnewb> when you created the partition....
[08:48] <Lamont|IRCnewb> nebular: and formatted it as ext3 - did you choose default mount options?
[08:49] <Lorenna> umbuntu seems to have corrupted my Winxp it  won't got to the login...but that's paritition magics fault. doh!
[08:50] <nebular> Lamont|IRCnewb: yep
[08:50] <nebular> I just ran df and none of the file systems are beyond 50%
[08:50] <nebular> weird
[08:50] <Lamont|IRCnewb> Nebular: I dunno why else it would fail that way during install
[08:50] <Blue_Summer> can anyone give me a link to finding out how to download flash in linux?
[08:50] <jasoncohen> i'm having a weird problem where my atheros wireless card is not being started at boot. i just see one light on the card. if i ctrl-c and continue to boot-up the card is then brought up
[08:50] <Lamont|IRCnewb> Nebular: but I'm not a linux expoet
[08:50] <FrozenPink> I'm baaa-aaack.
[08:50] <jasoncohen> i have it set as a hotplug device in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:51] <Quest-Master> Quick question for you guys.. for what task do you really want a visual GUI tool for? Like, for apt-get there's Synaptic..
[08:51] <Blue_Summer> can anyone give me a link to finding out how to download flash in linux?
[08:51] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, enable multiverse and apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[08:51] <jasoncohen> i also tried with auto ath0
[08:51] <Blue_Summer> ty
[08:51] <Seveas> (or mozilla-flashplayer)
[08:51] <Blue_Summer> ^^
[08:51] <FrozenPink> I just ordered a cd from ship-it~
[08:51] <FrozenPink> Woohoo.
[08:51] <Blue_Summer> lol
[08:52] <Seveas> Quest-Master, for configuring WPA and 802.1x wireless network settings a gui tool is needed
[08:52] <esther> how can I play .avi files on ubuntu with totem ? I already installed libdivx4linux
[08:52] <mauper> yep, gui for wireless conf
[08:52] <Quest-Master> Seveas: WPA?
[08:52] <parham> hi
[08:52] <Blue_Summer> enable multiverse gives me an error saying multiverse is not a shell
[08:52] <jasoncohen> Seveas, it is? i setup wpasupplicant without a gui tool. it's just not easy
[08:52] <FrozenPink> I loves me some Ubuntu... but my friend has my CD and I can't download it right now... and I want the pressed version just because... It's cool? :3
[08:52] <parham> why Ubuntu Desktop freezes? wenn you add a shortcut of a http on the desktop
[08:53] <FrozenPink> ... I also want an Ubuntu thong. xD
[08:53] <Seveas> jasoncohen, I did that too, but for the general public it's just too difficult
[08:53] <Seveas> that's why a GUI (or better: an extension to Network Manager) is needed
[08:53] <jasoncohen> isn't there already a network gui tool that can do that?
[08:53] <jasoncohen> it's included with fedora
[08:53] <jasoncohen> networkmanager i think it's called
[08:53] <Seveas> no, that one cannot handle WPA
[08:53] <jasoncohen> i tried it on sid and it didn't work at all.. just kept dying
[08:53] <Seveas> only WEP
[08:53] <parham> Ubuntu DESKTOP FREEZES!
[08:54] <Burgundavia> NM is going to be included in Breezy
[08:54] <parham> DESKTOP FREEZES
[08:54] <jasoncohen> well, gnome's network-admin can handle WEP
[08:54] <parham> IT FREEZES
[08:54] <mauper> OT?: razr v3 + linux sync ?
[08:54] <Seveas> parham, that's no reason to shout...
[08:54] <Quest-Master> I don't know what WPA is, hehe
[08:54] <nebular> it would seem that /target is read-only for some reason
[08:54] <nebular> hrm
[08:54] <mauper> parham: stick to an "older" kernel ?
[08:54] <parham> no
[08:54] <jasoncohen> Quest-Master, wi-fi protected access. new wireless routers/APs support WPA-PSK (pre-shared-key) which changes the key every hour and is much stronger than WEP
[08:54] <PTK> lol
[08:55] <jasoncohen> Quest-Master, and then there's 802.11i which uses AES which is better still
[08:55] <Quest-Master> Hmm, no experience with that. :cx
[08:55] <Lorenna> I'd pay for this...proabbly will if it stays the best i've ever used more than a couple months...just working is such a wonderful concept
[08:55] <Quest-Master> *:x
[08:55] <parham> it is GNOME 2.10.0
[08:55] <parham> und UBUNTU 5.04
[08:55] <Blue_Summer> anyone recommend another gui instead of gnome or kde? Fluxbox looks good any others?
[08:55] <PTK> Blue_Summer, Xfce?
[08:55] <mauper> is enlightment still around ? ;)
[08:55] <parham> why does it freeze
[08:56] <Burgundavia> mauper, yes
[08:56] <Seveas> mauper, yes :)
[08:56] <parham> i can't find a damned operating system that works in my life
[08:56] <Blue_Summer> kk kwl ty ptk
[08:56] <parham> this is bad
[08:56] <Seveas> parham, ranting and cursing will not help...
[08:56] <hdp> Blue_Summer, ion3
[08:56] <Seveas> what did you do to make it freeze?
[08:56] <Lorenna> how often does it need to be rebooted usually?
[08:56] <IcemanV9> parham: did you disable acpi??
[08:56] <Blue_Summer> ty
[08:56] <parham> i can't stand it anymore
[08:56] <mauper> parham: faulty hardware ? did you try another kernel ?
[08:57] <Seveas> Lorenna, only for kernel upgrades :)
[08:57] <Lamont|IRCnewb> I agree - those here that have the expertise to help (of which I'm not one)( aren't likely to help you by making yourself out to be just here to vent)
[08:57] <jasoncohen> is linux-source the same as debian's kernel-source ?
[08:57] <parham> it was just working for 2, 3 days
[08:57] <Seveas> jasoncohen, almost
[08:57] <parham> suddenly today it is crazy
[08:57] <parham> 3 times it freezed
[08:57] <Seveas> there are a few Ubuntu-specific patches
[08:57] <terje> anyone remaster the live CD?
[08:57] <Lamont|IRCnewb> perham: What changed on the system since the last time you know that it worked? Anything?
[08:57] <terje> I'm wondering how to login a user by default
[08:57] <jasoncohen> Seveas, like what?
[08:57] <Seveas> terje, some people have
[08:57] <Seveas> jasoncohen, ENOIDEA, never looked at it
[08:58] <parham> nothing has changed, i'm the only one who uses this
[08:58] <Lorenna> it's hard not to think that it just takes longer than xp...wow
[08:58] <mauper> terje: ->system->administration->login screen setup
[08:58] <Seveas> terje, on the livecd you automatically login...
[08:58] <parham> can anyone suggest any Linux version that wokrs?
[08:58] <terje> mauper, any idea how to get there when I'm chrooted in the CD development area?
[08:58] <highvoltage> parham: 2.6.11
[08:58] <parham> any distribution?
[08:58] <mauper> terje: er ... nope ;)
[08:58] <highvoltage> parham: Ubuntu GNU/Linux 5.04
[08:59] <terje> hmm. ok
[08:59] <terje> I'll find it.
[08:59] <Seveas> highvoltage, if you mean the 2.6.11 kernel in Ubuntu, then definitely NO
[08:59] <parham> no number please, just tell me a distribution
[08:59] <zip> anyone here on an iBook?
[08:59] <parham> no no Ubuntu is not working
[08:59] <Juhaz> terje, it just modifies gdm.conf, can be done by hand too
[08:59] <highvoltage> Seveas: I meant the kernel.org one ;)
[08:59] <highvoltage> 2.6.12 breaks my wireless :(
[08:59] <terje> ok, great, thanks.
[08:59] <Seveas> parham, then pick anything you like: gentoo, fedora, suse, mandriva, slackware, debian...
[08:59] <Lamont|IRCnewb> Perham is just here to vent and complaing. I'm not paying any more attention to him :p
[08:59] <jasoncohen> Seveas, why is there kernel source for 2.6.11 if there's no 2.6.11 kernel image?
[08:59] <PTK> Seveas, is the 2.6.11 kernel in Ubuntu broken?
[09:00] <Seveas> jasoncohen, there is: in universe
[09:00] <parham> hey Lamont
[09:00] <Seveas> PTK, yes
[09:00] <parham> it is not Perham
[09:00] <parham> it is PARHAM
[09:00] <Seveas> it is only a test build that is known to be broken
[09:00] <parham> if your eyes still see something
[09:00] <Seveas> And it is now goneham
[09:00] <mauper> parham: just try the 2.6.10-5 kernel image ?
[09:00] <Lamont|IRCnewb> goodriddenceham
[09:01] <Lamont|IRCnewb> If you come here for help (as I did) you owe people the courtesy of being ready to work with someone.
[09:01] <jasoncohen> Seveas, ok, i see. i use confused by the meta package linux-386
[09:01] <Seveas> Lamont|IRCnewb, indeed :)
[09:01] <jasoncohen> there's linux-image-2.6.11-1-386 and linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[09:02] <kertrats> hey, anyone have any idea why my mouse jumps around all the time?
[09:02] <Lamont|IRCnewb> Wow.... now that I configued my swap partition as Swap-on-RAID instead of its own nonraid partition, Ububtu installs. I'm at the ububtu desktop for the first time :p
[09:02] <Seveas> kertrats, because it's on crack ;)
[09:02] <kertrats> ok
[09:02] <sktrdie> helllo
[09:02] <Seveas> kertrats, check the physical connection
[09:02] <sktrdie> i need help
[09:02] <kertrats> does ubuntu come with a rehab center?
[09:02] <sktrdie> i just intsalled ubuntu
[09:02] <PTK> kertrats, is it a synaptic trackpad?
[09:02] <sktrdie> but it didnt intsall all the random packages
[09:02] <kertrats> it's a built-in mousepad on my laptop
[09:02] <sktrdie> also some other stuff
[09:03] <PTK> kertrats, it might be in absolute mode
[09:03] <sktrdie> and now i can't run X because its not intsllade and i am at my console manager
[09:03] <Lamont|IRCnewb> Can anyone tell me a keyboard only way to get to a bash shell? My mouse must not have recognized cause I have no mouse control after install
[09:03] <Blue_Summer> seveas why u de op urself?
[09:03] <queuetue> I've just plugged a USB drive into my linux box, and I can see it automatically loaded usb-storage ... now what?
[09:03] <Seveas> kertrats, yeah, these things can go flaky sometimes. I believe there is some info on the wiki
[09:03] <sktrdie> It didnt let me setup my root user
[09:03] <sktrdie> i don't know :/
[09:03] <Seveas> kerkrats look foor synaptic on wiki.ubuntu.com/TitleIndex
[09:03] <sktrdie> anyone?
[09:03] <Seveas> sktrdie: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:03] <Seveas> by default there is no root password...
[09:04] <highvoltage> hehe. that page should be the default home page for firefox :)
[09:04] <IcemanV9> !rootsudo
[09:04] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, because that is good practice of ops in this channel
[09:04] <ubotu> it has been said that rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:04] <Blue_Summer> ok why op in the fist place if ur gonna drop it?
[09:04] <apokryphos> ubotu: the site changed the way they handle the wiki
[09:04] <ubotu> No idea, apokryphos
[09:04] <apokryphos> ubotu: you bot you
[09:04] <ubotu> apokryphos: I give up, what is it?
[09:04] <apokryphos> ubotu: the meaning of life?
[09:04] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, apokryphos
[09:04] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, to remove perham
[09:04] <Seveas> and set that ban
[09:04] <Blue_Summer> hmm?
[09:04] <Blue_Summer> ok lol
[09:04] <Blue_Summer> how do u talk in red?
[09:05] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, by typing your name in a line
[09:05] <mauper> your name
[09:05] <mauper> ;)
[09:05] <Blue_Summer> Blue_Summer hi
[09:05] <Seveas> your client prabably makes all lines that contain your nickname red
[09:05] <Blue_Summer> ?
[09:05] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, red
[09:05] <Seveas> not red
[09:05] <Blue_Summer> oh ok lol :P
[09:05] <sktrdie> Seveas: it was rebooting after I installed the CD
[09:05] <PTK> holy crap its 5 am... night(?) people
[09:06] <sktrdie> Seveas: then i got a problem with the packages, and It told me to open the graphical manager to install the packages
[09:06] <Seveas> PTKsleep, g'night :)
[09:06] <queuetue> How do I actually *use* a usb drive?
[09:06] <Seveas> queuetue, plug it in
[09:06] <sktrdie> Seveas: but I didnt know what to do so i quit
[09:06] <Seveas> it should automount
[09:06] <sktrdie> Seveas: now i am at the console without X
[09:06] <Blue_Summer> i have downloaded  flashplayersomething.rpm.bin how do i install it? :P
[09:06] <queuetue> Seveas, It's plugged in.  Now what?
[09:06] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, you don't....
[09:06] <queuetue> Seveas, usb-storage loaded, and ... Now what?
[09:06] <mauper> Blue_Summer: look for a .deb
[09:06] <Seveas> queuetue, isn't it automounted..?
[09:07] <IcemanV9> queuetue: just double-click the icon (USB drive)
[09:07] <Blue_Summer> jre-_1_5_0_04-linux-i586-rpm.bin
[09:07] <Blue_Summer> lol
[09:07] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, also BAD IDEA
[09:07] <Seveas> Blue_Summer: To install java on Ubuntu: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, sudo aptitude install fakeroot java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , sudo dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[09:07] <queuetue> Seveas, Nothing showing in mount.
[09:07] <Seveas> and with bin I do NOT mean rpm.bin
[09:07] <Seveas> but the other...
[09:07] <mauper> Blue_Summer: jdk also available as .deb
[09:07] <Blue_Summer> hmm
[09:07] <queuetue> IcemanV9, I don't really do "clicking on icons"...
[09:07] <Seveas> queuetue, odd, can you manually mount it (pmount /dev/sda
[09:07] <Seveas> )
[09:07] <Blue_Summer> ok i'm downloading the bin not -rpm.bin
[09:07] <Seveas> mauper, only in backports :)
[09:08] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, if you enable backports, you can simply get a .deb
[09:08] <Seveas> 'navond Dutchy
[09:08] <Blue_Summer> what are backports?
[09:08] <queuetue> Seveas, No sd* devices in /dev/ at all...
[09:08] <mauper> Seveas: okay for me (even the sun updates for version 5 where available in time ... I was impressed)
[09:08] <GNULinuxer> Blue_Summer: packages which are actually for Breezy but are ported back to hoary
[09:09] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, a community project that combines the stability of hoary with more bleeding-edge packages
[09:09] <Blue_Summer> hmm
[09:09] <Seveas> mauper, I use it too ;)
[09:09] <kertrats> k, I found the appropriate wiki, but it's telling me to find the XF86config-4 file in etc/X11 and there isnt any such file
[09:09] <Blue_Summer> i'm sorry guys i'm really new so i don't have a clue how to enable backports
[09:09] <Seveas> ompaul, for the latter: dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[09:09] <Blue_Summer> i'll  follow this: Blue_Summer: To install java on Ubuntu: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, sudo aptitude install fakeroot java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , sudo dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[09:10] <Fnoy> any good  burning programs for ubuntu
[09:10] <Fnoy> like nero
[09:10] <mae> is there any way to use qt3.3 styles with the qt3.4 libs in ubuntu? :\
[09:10] <mauper> ompaul: gdmconfig ?
[09:10] <ompaul> Seveas, thanks
[09:10] <kertrats> anyone know what file it could be talking about?
[09:10] <Seveas> ompaul, and for the former: you can set which sound to use
[09:10] <queuetue> Seveas, WHat modules do I need ot load to get scsi-over-usb running?
[09:10] <mauper> fnoy: k3b
[09:10] <SnakeBite> kertrats, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:10] <apokryphos> mae: are you talking about kde? The styles should work, yes.
[09:10] <Seveas> kertrats, what were you trying to accomplish..?
[09:10] <kertrats> thanks, SnakeBite
[09:10] <Fnoy> mauper: thx
[09:10] <tahorg> hi folks
[09:10] <kertrats> fixing the touchpad driver
[09:11] <Seveas> Fnoy, nero has a linux version ;)
[09:11] <Dr_Melectaus> Uhm, found something out, not really a bug. But its sort of a really minor flaw...
[09:11] <kertrats> following instructions in the wiki article
[09:11] <ompaul> Seveas, the default one, phone rang while I had mouse hovering over a potential change -and the change sticks :)
[09:11] <Seveas> kertrats, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:11] <^thehatsrule^> NeroLinux!
[09:11] <mauper> fnoy: if you aren't afraid of a bit kde in your gnome, that is ;)
[09:11] <Seveas> ompaul, lol :)
[09:11] <kertrats> thanks
[09:11] <Seveas>  /usr/share/sounds/questions.wav
[09:11] <ompaul> Seveas, well it was more the fact that when the mobile rang I jumped
[09:11] <apokryphos> ^thehatsrule^: no point using that if K3B is around
[09:11] <Dr_Melectaus> I was copying some linkin park tunes into a folder, and as i was copying i changed the name of the folder i was copying them to. and it created an error because the file didnt exist
[09:11] <Seveas> question.wav even
[09:12] <ompaul> Seveas, you win some you loose some :)
[09:12] <Seveas> :)
[09:12] <Blue_Summer> sudo aptitude install fakeroot java-package then chmod + jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin then fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin then sudo dpkg -i <something.deb>
[09:12] <Dr_Melectaus> file didnt exist it was trying to copy it to**
[09:12] <^thehatsrule^> apokryphos: no point is k3b if i dont install that nor kde :P
[09:12] <mae> apokryphos, hrm.. well with minimal kdelibs installed and i did alien -i  on the bluecurve artwork from fedora... but it goes into the /usr/lib/qt-3.3/plugins/styles dir.. i tried symlinking this to /usr/lib/qt-3/plugins/styles but then it says in console when launching kcontrol "theme bluecurve built with 3.3 is not compatible"
[09:12] <ompaul> Seveas, thanks
[09:12] <Dr_Melectaus> Not really a majot flaw just thought it would be worth mentioning
[09:12] <Dr_Melectaus> no doubt its been noticed before though
[09:13] <apokryphos> mae: why not compile? They hardly take any time to do so
[09:13] <highvoltage> Dr_Melectaus: no doubt broke up
[09:13] <apokryphos> ^thehatsrule^: are you low on space?
[09:13] <^thehatsrule^> apokryphos: not really, just that its heavy on resources
[09:14] <Blue_Summer> Seveas, sudo aptitude install fakeroot java-package then chmod + jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin then fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin then sudo dpkg -i <something.deb>
[09:14] <Blue_Summer> is that right?
[09:14] <apokryphos> ^thehatsrule^: having KDE is heavy on reasources? Erm...
[09:14] <mae> apokryphos, compile what exactly? the theme you mean?
[09:14] <Dr_Melectaus> highvoltage: sorry?
[09:14] <apokryphos> mae: yes
[09:14] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, almost
[09:14] <Seveas> chmod +x
[09:14] <mae> apokryphos, hmm i'll try the SRPM
[09:14] <Seveas> not just chmod +
[09:14] <^thehatsrule^> apokryphos: yes, anything that uses its libraries ;p
[09:14] <^thehatsrule^> for my comp, at least
[09:15] <Blue_Summer> chmod +X<capital?> (then filename?>
[09:15] <mauper> even anything that has a 'k' in it seems to be resource hungry too ;)
[09:15] <apokryphos> mae: or get just the source. You'll be able to find it on kdelook easily
[09:15] <apokryphos> ^thehatsrule^: if you're running it from GNOME, it's bound to be a bit slower, sure.
[09:15] <Blue_Summer> kde looks like windows so it looks minging :P
[09:15] <ompaul> Blue_Summer, have a look at this http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/339 you might just find it interesting with regard to the repos you might want - remembering to change the .ie to the ones you want
[09:16] <ompaul> now I try restarting the wm :) brb
[09:16] <^thehatsrule^> apokryphos: nah, fluxbox ;p using the total kde will bog down my whole system :<
[09:16] <cikilin> hello
[09:16] <Blue_Summer> ompal, what the heck is that?
[09:17] <queuetue> Seveas, What device should the USB drive be?  sda?  /dev/sda does not exist...  (and mknod no longer exists in theis new world of udev, right?)
[09:17] <mae> has anyone tried the latest epiphany.. its pretty nice.. i think i even prefer it to firefox.. has a builtin totem plugin :)
[09:17] <apokryphos> ^thehatsrule^: I meant another DE in general, but said gnome; no worries. You should really look into your system stuff if it can't handle running a program
[09:17] <Fnoy> nautilus burn:/// (does the cd boot)
[09:17] <cikilin> i downloaded a movie witch is dvd and is an archive!how can i burn it like a dvd?
[09:17] <Seveas> queuetue, mknod still exists, but /dev is a tmpfs so changes get lost when rebooting
[09:17] <^thehatsrule^> apokryphos: hehe, well, thats why i stay clear o kde with my antique hardware ;p
[09:17] <Seveas> look at dmesg to see which device it should be
[09:17] <Lorenna> A warning just poped up that says "could not grab your mouse. A mailicious client may be easvesdropping on  your session" how bad is that?
[09:18] <Seveas> the scsi device IS
[09:18] <Seveas> ID
[09:18] <Seveas> Lorenna, hmm, it's mysterious at least...
[09:18] <cion> hey how do I set firestarter on boot?
[09:18] <mauper> fluxbox looks as ugly as blackbox it seems ;)
[09:18] <Seveas> cion, you don't need that
[09:18] <cion> why not?
[09:18] <cikilin> seveas i downloaded a movie witch is dvd and is an archive!how can i burn it like a dvd?
[09:18] <Blue_Summer> Seveas, how do you know so much about linux lol? How long have you used it for?
[09:18] <Seveas> the firewall will be enabled without running the firestarter program all the time
[09:18] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, a few years
[09:19] <Blue_Summer> wow
[09:19] <queuetue> Seveas, "new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 20" that line?
[09:19] <Seveas> cikilin, extract the archive and burn it with k3b
[09:19] <Blue_Summer> would you ever go back to windows? :P
[09:19] <Lorenna> the server i'm working on isn't propably as secure as it should be
[09:19] <cion> mmh sorry im newbie, you mean i don't have to run firestater to start firewall?
[09:19] <Seveas> queuetue, somewhere around that line
[09:19] <mauper> cion: one time only afaik
[09:19] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, yes, I use windows occasionally
[09:19] <Blue_Summer> kk kwl
[09:19] <cikilin> it does not extract it archive manager!
[09:19] <cion> afaik?
[09:20] <Seveas> afaik = as far as i know
[09:20] <cion> oh ok
[09:20] <Seveas> cikilin, is it a .rar archive perhaps?
[09:20] <queuetue> Looks like bad cable connection...
[09:20] <cion> so if i dont start firestarter firewall is already running from boot?
[09:20] <cikilin> yes
[09:20] <jp> how can how can I order a view on evolution so see mailing list subjects ordered as mailing list thread order? Thanks!
[09:21] <cikilin> and?
[09:21] <Seveas> queuetue, can you paste the last 50 lines of dmesg on the pastebin please
[09:21] <cikilin> what i have to do if is a rar?
[09:21] <sktrdie> how the hell do i change profile in firefox?
[09:21] <Seveas> cikilin, install unrar-nonfree and use 'unrar e filename.rar' to extract it
[09:21] <sktrdie> I MEAN IN GNOME
[09:21] <cikilin> ?
[09:21] <mauper> sktrdie: there is a profile manager app
[09:22] <jp> how can how can I order a view on evolution so see mailing list subjects ordered as mailing list thread order? Thanks!
[09:22] <Seveas> jp, hit <ctrl> t
[09:23] <sktrdie> mauper: where's it
[09:23] <magog> i just reformatted to ubuntu again, and i have no sound, normally outta the box in ubuntu i do...what can i do to rectify this?
[09:24] <mauper> sktrdie: maybe I am mistaken ...
[09:24] <sktrdie> im pissed
[09:24] <sktrdie> anyway
[09:24] <sktrdie> Seveas: can you please give me the link of the sudo thing?
[09:24] <sktrdie> again
[09:24] <sktrdie> My electricy went off and i lost everything
[09:25] <refuze2looze> magog, check to see if anything is muted
[09:25] <Seveas> sktrdie: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:25] <refuze2looze> magog, see if your device appears in the device manager maybe
[09:25] <magog> k
[09:25] <mauper> sktrdie: firefox --help
[09:25] <mauper> there are profile command line switches
[09:25] <sktrdie> mauper
[09:25] <refuze2looze> Seveas, when is this channel getting a bot to points at URLs automatically? =)
[09:25] <sktrdie> im talking abt gnome
[09:25] <mauper> firefox -ProfileManager ?
[09:26] <refuze2looze> !universe, !sudo, etc.. makes answering questions easier.. hehe
[09:26] <Blue_Summer> Seveas, do you know if i can use gaim to use my webcam ?
[09:26] <sktrdie> OMG
[09:27] <sktrdie> why cant i apt-get out of the console
[09:27] <Seveas> refuze2looze, ubotu is a bot
[09:27] <jasoncohen> i built madwifi from source and i'm getting "FATAL: Error inserting ath_pci (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/net/ath_pci.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)" when i try to modprobe ath_pci
[09:27] <mauper> sktrdie: what do you mean "in gnome" ? you have a console it seems and you want profiles in firefox, right ?
[09:27] <Seveas> and som people like to think that I am a bot-like entity :)
[09:27] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, you need gaim_vv for that
[09:27] <mauper> Seveas: aren't you ?
[09:27] <mauper> ;)
[09:27] <Seveas> available from the backports iirc
[09:27] <sktrdie> mauper, I have 2 different problems at 2 computers.. at 1 im trying to intsall Ubuntu and I'm stuck at the console with no package isntalled barely
[09:27] <Seveas> mauper, ask nalioth_wrkn ;)
[09:28] <sktrdie> at my other computer GNOME loaded with another profile and everything is back to standard
[09:28] <Seveas> jasoncohen, Ubuntu has the madwifi driver too...
[09:28] <Seveas> (I am using it myself...)
[09:28] <jasoncohen> Seveas, but does it work correctly with WPA-PSK?
[09:28] <zyth> I hate my job this week
[09:28] <Seveas> sktrdie, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:28] <Seveas> sktrdie, that will give you the full-blown default install
[09:28] <Seveas> jasoncohen, yes
[09:28] <jasoncohen> Seveas, it won't start on boot. but it'll then connect afterwards
[09:29] <Seveas> with wpasupplicant
[09:29] <jasoncohen> and ifup ath0 works
[09:29] <Seveas> jasoncohen, I start wpasupplicant from ifup
[09:29] <mauper> sktrdie: I do not get your firefox profile problem ...
[09:29] <Seveas> otherwise it is started too late
[09:29] <jasoncohen> Seveas, i do the same
[09:29] <refuze2looze> Seveas, that bot should run scripts that point to URLs when called upon, don't you think? then you wouldn't have to be a bot like entity =P
[09:29] <event04> hi does anyone know how can I reload a input devices on X without doing alt cntrl backspace.. the problem its that I testing a toucheasy Touch screen and when I turn off and on its change dev ,, its start with /dev/input/event3 then changes to /dev/input/event4
[09:29] <Seveas> !root
[09:29] <ubotu> I heard root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:29] <jasoncohen> Seveas, pre-up /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant start
[09:29] <Seveas> refuze2looze, see, it does ;)
[09:29] <queuetue> How do I format this disk as an encrypted filesystem?  I had assumed that would be a lot simpler...
[09:30] <Seveas> jasoncohen, hehe, that will not work :)
[09:30] <Blue_Summer> where can i download gaim_vv
[09:30] <Blue_Summer> ?*
[09:30] <jasoncohen> Seveas, why not- it worked in debian
[09:30] <mauper> queuetue: simple = unsafe ;)
[09:30] <Seveas> jasoncohen, wpa association will take too long for dhclient to be successful
[09:30] <TheLord> could anyone help me to run plone site in ubuntu linux?
[09:30] <jasoncohen> Seveas, how do you do it?
[09:30] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, Ubuntu backports project
[09:30] <IcemanV9> Blue_Summer: apt-get install gaim_vv
[09:30] <jp> Seveas, thanks!! :D
[09:30] <Blue_Summer> ty
[09:30] <Seveas> jasoncohen, a creepy shell script that uses wpa-cli status
[09:30] <jp> it rocks Seveas ;)
[09:30] <queuetue> mauper, I'm not sure what world you live in, but simple and safe are orthagonal in mine...
[09:31] <Seveas> Blue_Summer: To find out the location of backports, go to backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[09:31] <Blue_Summer> kk
[09:31] <jasoncohen> IcemanV9, i dont' see gaim-vv or gaim_vv
[09:31] <queuetue> TheLord, That has almost nothing to do with ubuntu and lots to do with #Python #zope and (unfortunately) #plone
[09:31] <sktrdie> Seveas: I did that I got lots of errors
[09:31] <mauper> queuetue: therefore simple=unsafe
[09:31] <sktrdie> dpgk was interrupted
[09:31] <audioman> I succesfully installed ubuntu (5.x, it's the current stable version, hoadry something), but then had to change some hw (mobo,add a harddisk), now I keep on getting errors (first about tar magic not working, right now i got a "bus error" while installing the base.. all the errors seem to come on the same spot, while installing "debootstrap"
[09:31] <IcemanV9> jasoncohen: you'll need to enable the backport in sources.list
[09:31] <jasoncohen> IcemanV9, i have
[09:31] <Seveas> sktrdie, can you copy the first error here please
[09:31] <jasoncohen> and backport-extras
[09:32] <Seveas> (you can scroll with PGUP and PGDN in the terminal)
[09:32] <refuze2looze> Seveas, whoa... cool
[09:32] <refuze2looze> !universe
[09:32] <ubotu> ask me about !repositories
[09:32] <refuze2looze> !repositories
[09:32] <ubotu> repositories is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:32] <refuze2looze> w00.. cool
[09:32] <Blue_Summer> IcemanV9, E: Couldn't find package gaim_vv
[09:32] <audioman> i have tried burning a few cd's, verified the the iso's md5sum before burning, used ubuntu's cd checking utility..
[09:32] <nalioth_wrkn> jasoncohen: please read this http://zerocalm.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16
[09:32] <jasoncohen> IcemanV9, i don't think gaim_vv is in backport-extras
[09:32] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, sorry, I was mistaken
[09:32] <Seveas> gaim vv is not in the backports
[09:33] <Blue_Summer> it's ok :P
[09:33] <audioman> ar
[09:33] <Blue_Summer> is it a repository?
[09:33] <queuetue> Could anyone who knows how to encrypt a disk let me know? :)
[09:33] <sktrdie> Seveas: ok so installed Ubuntu, the cd ejected, and it rebooted. It started isntalling lots of packages.... at one point it got an error, dunno, but it said that I had to manual isntall with some kind of app called Attuide or something.. but then again I didnt know what to do, and now I'm stuck at the console
[09:33] <mauper> queuetue: google for losetup + modprobe aes or similar
[09:33] <Blue_Summer> Queuetue search for dvd decrypter not sure if theres a linux port
[09:33] <IcemanV9> jasoncohen: guess not .. dunno what happened to it *sigh*
[09:33] <queuetue> TheLord, Dude, if you have somethng to discuss , do it here.  Private chats are for marriage proposals and embarrasing admissions...
[09:33] <IcemanV9> jasoncohen: sorry
[09:34] <Seveas> sktrdie, in the terminal are you the root user or the user you created in the installer?
[09:34] <we> Hey can someone answer a question i have..
[09:34] <queuetue> Blue_Summer, dvd?
[09:34] <jasoncohen> IcemanV9, np
[09:34] <Seveas> queuetue, lol ;)
[09:34] <sktrdie> Seveas: the user I create
[09:34] <jasoncohen> nalioth_wrkn, what am i supposed to see? that page isn't coming up
[09:34] <Blue_Summer> queuetue, lol sorry i'm not sure what it does ^^
[09:34] <refuze2looze> sktrdie, try reinstalling, maybe the cd media is bad
[09:34] <we> Is it really free?
[09:34] <Seveas> sktrdie, ok, try this: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[09:34] <nalioth_wrkn> jasoncohen: just a faq re backports
[09:35] <Seveas> if that gives errors, please type the first one or few in here
[09:35] <TheLord> queuetue, ok, what do you means nothing to do with plone?
[09:35] <Blue_Summer> Seveas, i take it i need to add a repository again?
[09:35] <Seveas> we, what do you mean with 'it' ..?
[09:35] <queuetue> TheLord, You apparently did not read what I typed last time, so let me repeat it for you...
[09:35] <we> Ubuntu of course =)
[09:35] <queuetue> TheLord, That has almost nothing to do with ubuntu and lots to do with #Python #zope and (unfortunately) #plone
[09:35] <event04> anyone knows how to load xorg.conf without restarting all X ? its a problem with a touch screen thats change devices when you turn off and on the monitor
[09:35] <sktrdie> Seveas: Ok It's isntalling some packages now
[09:35] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, no idea, I really have no clue on how to install gaim-vv, never had to do it :)
[09:35] <sktrdie> or something
[09:35] <jasoncohen> nalioth_wrkn, oh, well, the problem wasn't my setup. the problem was that gaim-vv isn't in backports
[09:35] <Blue_Summer> Seveas, ok ty anyway
[09:36] <Seveas> we, yes it is. It is free to download, modify, install, copy, redistribute
[09:36] <mauper> queuetue: http://howtos.linux.com/howtos/Cryptoloop-HOWTO/index.shtml ?
[09:36] <Seveas> and Canonical even sends out free cd's with no shipping costs
[09:36] <Blue_Summer> IcemanV9, did you say to install gaim_vv i needed to add the repository?
[09:36] <nalioth_wrkn> jasoncohen: i just preach the gospel of system  stability (and bp can be the end of that)
[09:36] <`psycho> greetings ppl
[09:36] <Seveas> mauper, for encrypted drives, wait for Breezy
[09:36] <`psycho> seveas
[09:36] <`psycho> :>
[09:36] <Seveas> Breezy will have an easy way of doing that
[09:36] <queuetue> This has to be done via loopback?  There is no actual encrypted device support?
[09:36] <mauper> Seveas: but I am allowed to use them now, right ? ;)
[09:36] <we> Are they really shipping for free? You dont get like a bill with  1 million dollars on =P ?
[09:36] <`psycho> umm i'm having difficulties with engaging DMA on my dvd drive
[09:37] <jasoncohen> nalioth_wrkn, i thought backports were tested fairly well
[09:37] <TheLord> queuetue, ok, thank u
[09:37] <Seveas> mauper, sure :)
[09:37] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, not really
[09:37] <IcemanV9> Blue_Summer: yeah, if you want install something that is not in the normal repo
[09:37] <Seveas> I use a cryptoloop myself too to store GPG and SSH keys :)
[09:37] <Blue_Summer> IcemanV9, where do i find this repository for gaim_vv?
[09:37] <mauper> Seveas: what crypto gizmos will breezy have ?
[09:37] <IcemanV9> Blue_Summer: in case of gaim_vv, it is not for whatever reason
[09:38] <we> Has anyone of you guys ordered a free copy?
[09:38] <Seveas> mauper, cryptsetup - an easy-to-use command line thing
[09:38] <Seveas> like losetup, but better :)
[09:38] <mauper> Seveas: I thought the keystores are already heavily crypted ?
[09:38] <nalioth_wrkn> jasoncohen: bp(and marillat), used improperly, will cause your system to cease upgrading at some point
[09:38] <Seveas> mauper, they are, but I keep them on a USB disk, so I want the extra bit too...
[09:39] <mauper> hmmm, must look the cipher up though ...
[09:39] <sktrdie> Seveas: Ok its doing I hope, anyway, I've seen that it installs Xfree86, isntead of Xorg.. why? aint xorg betta
[09:39] <alf__> hi
[09:39] <Seveas> and you need to use a loop device anyway to store GPG/SSH keys on a FAT filesystem :)
[09:39] <Blue_Summer> anyone think i could get msn working under wine?
[09:39] <bunker81> Hi I got a problem with a TouchEasy touch screen. the problem its that it changes devices when you turn off and the turn on the monitor, it start with /dev/input/event3 then changes to /dev/input/event4. I added both devices but how could I make X to load again the config file without restarting the all X
[09:39] <Seveas> sktrdie, hoary should install X.org
[09:39] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, virtually impossible
[09:39] <mae> nerolinux sucks
[09:40] <ShiftAka> Anyone got a copy of it that they ordered for free?
[09:40] <Blue_Summer> Seveas,  why?
[09:40] <alf__> I'm trying to compile a kernel module for my webcam, but it says make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build
[09:40] <alf__> why should I do ?
[09:40] <Seveas> bunker81, you can't...
[09:40] <alf__> it was working on mandriva :-(
[09:40] <Seveas> Blue_Summer, because the msn crapware uses things that are not implemented in wine yet
[09:40] <sktrdie> Seveas, ok I'm in... wow amazing
[09:40] <ShiftAka> anyone?
[09:40] <sktrdie> nice Ubuntu presentazion
[09:40] <sktrdie> lovely
[09:40] <IcemanV9> !repo
[09:41] <ubotu> IcemanV9: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[09:42] <ShiftAka> lol, ill take that as a no.
[09:42] <sktrdie> Seveas, what If i want to use xorg instead of xfree86
[09:42] <mauper> ubotu: http://www.20q.net/ ? ;)
[09:42] <ubotu> mauper: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[09:42] <mae> is there a dev package for gdl?
[09:42] <jason_>  /etc/init.d/networking start will bring up my atheros card but when i boot up it just sits there with one light - not flashing
[09:42] <jason_> like it's not even trying to connect
[09:42] <CarlFK> I have a 4+ year old box running Samba.  I just did a Ubuntu-server install, added the user, aptgetted samba, moved smb.conf and smbpasswd - getting "Logon failure: unknown user name or bad password." when I try to map a drive from win2k
[09:43] <CarlFK> I am guessing I need to run something that syncs up the passwords
[09:44] <mauper> once again ;): are there any rss feeds for ubuntu ? (security, updates etc.) ?
[09:44] <Blue_Summer> Seveas,  whats the difference between the wine on www.winehq.com and cedega 4.3.2 ( which apparently wine changed its name to??)
[09:45] <queuetue> Blue_Summer, cedega is a private version of wine, by transgaming.
[09:45] <CarlFK> I think cedega is optimized for games, and cost money
[09:45] <ShiftAka> Anyone recieved a free copy of Ubuntu?
[09:45] <Seveas> NARF! I must not forget to plugin my laptop power cable....
[09:45] <CarlFK> lol
[09:45] <Haldrik> hey guys...anyone know the command line that can power-off the monitor immediately until a keystroke?
[09:46] <Blue_Summer> queuetue, can i run Steam on normal Wine?
[09:46] <Haldrik> ShiftAka: Yes, got package a few days ago with all three requested copies! Took quite a long time though, but the discs are very nice and professional.
[09:46] <moparfan90> hello
[09:47] <mauper> really no rss feeds for ubuntu ? what a shame ...
[09:47] <IcemanV9> from what i understand that the library doesn't use wep or wpa, can i use IPSec to secure my wireless? is it possible?
[09:47] <nalioth_wrkn> Haldrik: aren't they pretty? makes ya want to throw a ubuntu install party
[09:48] <Seveas> ShiftAka, I got 35 of them ;)
[09:48] <Mwnci> i put ubuntu on a slow machine using kde and it was crashing often. under the advice i got within here i switched to xfce4.  however ubuntu no longer auto mounts flash drives onto the desktop. how can i remedy this?
[09:48] <rolo> hello there
[09:48] <rolo> :D
[09:48] <rolo> does anyone here use some emule client?!
[09:49] <jason_> rolo, apt-get install amule
[09:49] <rolo> jason
[09:49] <moparfan90> whats emule
[09:49] <rolo> it seems broken
[09:49] <d4rksh4de> emule is p2p
[09:49] <rolo> jason_
[09:49] <moparfan90> o
[09:49] <rolo> i'm not able to connect with it
[09:49] <jason_> amule is broken?
[09:49] <rolo> with amule
[09:49] <rolo> it seems
[09:49] <rolo> at least
[09:50] <jason_> maybe it's a firewall configuration issue- not sure
[09:50] <rolo> no.. i'm sure it's not the case
[09:50] <rolo> coz i also have this machine workin as a ssh server
[09:50] <jason_> so?
[09:50] <queuetue> Blue_Summer, I haveno idea what steam is.
[09:50] <rolo> and it works
[09:50] <mad_guy> hey all
[09:50] <jason_> rolo, ssh only needs port 22 accessible
[09:51] <rolo> and the firewall/ routing rules are the same for ssh and amule ports
[09:51] <larsrohdin> hi, Im having troubles changing my gtk-theme in gnome. I can change everything but the menuborders... why won't they change?
[09:51] <jason_> and if you're using it on a local network, it wouldn't matter
[09:51] <Seveas> amule has dynamic ports for the actual transfers....
[09:51] <jason_> brb
[09:51] <rolo> Seveas:
[09:51] <rolo> what to u mean with "dynamic ports"
[09:51] <rolo> ?
[09:51] <mad_guy> how many of you guys are from efnets, c4n?
[09:52] <queuetue> Why do these instructions require me to overwrite the partion with /dev/random, instead of something fats like say a bunch of zeros?  What could the advantage of starting randomized be?
[09:54] <rolo> doesn anyone here uses amule or xmule?!
[09:55] <larsrohdin> can someone help me with a gtk problem?
[09:55] <seb128> larsrohdin: don't ask to ask just ask
[09:56] <larsrohdin> seb128, i did and got no answer...Im having troubles changing my gtk-theme in gnome. I can change everything but the menuborders... why won't they change?
[09:56] <cikilin> if 'An error occurred while extracting files' means that the archive is corrupt
[09:56] <seb128> change the window manager theme
[09:56] <seb128> cikilin: correct
[09:56] <larsrohdin> seb128, that was the first thing i did
[09:56] <mauper> queuetue: /dev/zero should do but /dev/random is for the paranoid ;)
[09:57] <Seveas> mauper, not really
[09:57] <Seveas> repeating the trick 7 times is for the paranoid :)
[09:57] <Seveas> (it has been shown that you can recover data that has been overwritten less than 7 times)
[09:57] <mauper> Seveas: aw, come on, all you could determine is probably the block size of the cipher
[09:58] <mauper> Seveas: and how much space is used ...
[09:58] <cikilin> ok
[09:58] <mad_guy> did anyone here ever order Ubuntu Distro CD's from http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/ ? if so, how long was it till it reached you?
[09:58] <Seveas> mad_guy, a few weeks
[09:58] <mauper> Seveas: it does not make breaking a single block easier
[09:58] <Blue_Summer> Anyone know if steam works on wine from winehq.com ? (Steam use it to play counter-strike/halflife e.t.c)?
[09:59] <digitalfox> Blue_Summer, Steam doesn't, HL itself does
[09:59] <larsrohdin> seb128, the problem is that when i change theme, everything but the menuborders change... how can i change them?
[09:59] <mauper> Seveas: or does the block size of the fs come into play ? (shiver)
[09:59] <Blue_Summer> digitalfox, thats a shame because i needed it to play all my halflife mods
[09:59] <seb128> larsrohdin: what do you call "menuborders" ?
[09:59] <_judith> How do I improve my defaullt fonts on ubuntu?
[10:00] <mad_guy> Seveas: pm
[10:00] <mercur____> Could somebody help me?
[10:00] <larsrohdin> seb128, ok im swedish so excuse my bad english... the top of the window, eee... where you klick to Close, maximize or minimize the window.
[10:00] <mercur____> im having trouble with sound!
[10:01] <mauper> mercur____: be less precise, it helps ;)
[10:01] <seb128> larsrohdin: that should be dependant of your window manager theme
[10:01] <seb128> if you use the default window manager with GNOME
[10:01] <Seveas> mercur____, look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[10:02] <Seveas> if your problem is not listed there, then be a bit more specific in here :)
[10:02] <larsrohdin> seb128, ok, how do i know that?
[10:02] <mauper> Seveas: so, what is the deal in your opinion with /dev/zero ?
[10:02] <mercur____> ok... I have a Cirrus Logic cs 4611 sound card
[10:03] <Seveas> mauper, /dev/urandom is for the moderately paranoid :)
[10:03] <Luke> hey guys i'm having problems with my nvidia module not being present. I've got nvidia-kernel and ngidia-glx installed but the module isnt there
[10:03] <mercur____> but it doesnt works! I searched over forums many time, but it keeps not working
[10:03] <mauper> Seveas: difference between /dev/urandom and /dev/random ?
[10:03] <Seveas> Luke, install linux-686 (intel processor) or linux-k7 (amd (not amd64))
[10:04] <Luke> mauper: i think urandom is unsigned?
[10:04] <apollo2011> My System>Preferences and Administration menu names and submenus have disappeared.  How do I get them back?
[10:04] <Seveas> Luke, no
[10:04] <Seveas> urandom is better
[10:04] <Luke> Seveas: h/o i gotta take a dump =) i'll brb then can you tell me that again? the nvidia stuff
[10:04] <mauper> Seveas: and why is that ?
[10:05] <IcemanV9> Luke: too much info :P
[10:05] <Seveas> mauper, more entropy iirc
[10:05] <seb128> larsrohdin: if you have not changed the config that should work fine, maybe try relogin
[10:05] <mercur____> I found out that the driver for cs4610/11 is the same to cs4236...
[10:06] <Seveas> hoh, i'm wrong
[10:06] <mauper> Seveas: all that does't use some true noise isn't in fact random at all - look at the modern dns spoofing attacks
[10:06] <Seveas> mauper, see man urandom for the details
[10:06] <larsrohdin> seb128, because if i install a new theme in theme prefs.. the new theme shows only under the tab "Controls" not under "Window border" or "Icons"
[10:06] <mercur____> but when I try modprobe snd-cs4236, it doesnt found the device
[10:06] <Seveas> urandom is guaranteed to be quick :)
[10:06] <Seveas> at the cost of guaranteed randomness
[10:07] <wizzard> pls, how can I change dpi in xwindows?
[10:07] <mauper> Seveas: rtfm was a good reminder, thanks :)
[10:08] <stratovarius> hey hi
[10:08] <stratovarius> who can tell me why firefox streams me very slow? I have a dsl connection
[10:09] <stratovarius> pls help me
[10:09] <mauper> stratovarius: streams what ?
[10:09] <Luke> Seveas: ok i'm back - sorry about that. So what do I have to do to get the nvidia module?
[10:09] <wazdmin> can u run kde in ubuntu ?
[10:09] <stratovarius> not only firefox but also the other browsers
[10:09] <seb128> larsrohdin: that's because that's a gtk theme, not an icon/window manager one
[10:09] <synd> wazdmin: yes
[10:09] <unome> stratovarius: there's a good firefox howto in the forums to tweak firefox.
[10:10] <Seveas> Luke, apt-get install linux-686 (intel processor) or linux-k7 (amd (not amd64))
[10:10] <wazdmin> how can i do that
[10:10] <ompaul> wazdmin, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will help you there
[10:10] <synd> wazdmin: theres an official KDE ubuntu called Kubuntu
[10:10] <Luke> Seveas: what are those packages?
[10:10] <stratovarius> web pages
[10:10] <wazdmin> o..ok..thanks guys
[10:10] <larsrohdin> seb128, ok but on the screenshots it was the whole thing... how do i change the rest then?
[10:10] <Seveas> Luke, metapackages that drag in drivers
[10:10] <stratovarius> i run under gnome
[10:10] <mauper> stratovarius: doesn't seem to be a browser related problem then
[10:10] <Seveas> Luke, and run: sudo nvidia-glx-enable once
[10:10] <seb128> larsrohdin: install the correspond themes
[10:10] <mdasilva> helo all
[10:10] <stratovarius> yes I know but dunno where is the problem
[10:10] <Luke> Seveas: thanks a lot man =)
[10:10] <stratovarius> I have a router
[10:10] <mauper> stratovarius: are you behind a proxy maybe ?
[10:10] <ompaul> hello one
[10:11] <apollo2011> anyone know anything about the System Pref and Admin menus disappearing from the Gnome Menu?
[10:11] <stratovarius> maybe it is the problem
[10:11] <ompaul> s/one/mdasilva
[10:11] <larsrohdin> seb128, the window manager in gnome, is that Nautilus?
[10:11] <stratovarius> no proxy
[10:11] <sktrdie> Seveas: I'm having big problems with X
[10:11] <Seveas> larsrohdin, no
[10:11] <Seveas> that's metacity
[10:11] <sktrdie> how do i reinstall it?
[10:11] <Seveas> sktrdie, what is the problem..?
[10:11] <mauper> stratovarius: what kind of network device ?
[10:11] <sktrdie> I dunno, It's messed up
[10:11] <larsrohdin> Seveas, ok thanks... I still haven't learned all these different parts.
[10:11] <stratovarius> I have a belkin router
[10:11] <sktrdie> Seveas.. it's better off if I reitnsall it
[10:12] <Luke> Seveas: will this still work even if i'm using a custom vanilla kernel?
[10:12] <larsrohdin> so how do i change the theme of metacity?
[10:12] <Davey> sktrdie: how do you know its messed up? what errors is it giving you?
[10:12] <Luke> Seveas: those metapackages you had me install
[10:12] <mauper> stratovarius: and your network card ?
[10:12] <Davey> larsrohdin: System > Preferences > Theme ?
[10:12] <Seveas> sktrdie, install debfoster and use it to remove gnome-desktop-environment and x-window-system
[10:12] <Seveas> Luke, no
[10:12] <sktrdie> Davey: It just says that my X might not be configured properly
[10:13] <sktrdie> Seveas: It's just X not gnome
[10:13] <stratovarius> whats a network card??? I think i havent got it
[10:13] <Seveas> but using a custom kernel is usually not neccessary
[10:13] <Luke> Seveas: oh - well how do I get the nvidia module with a custom kernel?
[10:13] <Seveas> sktrdie, uninstalling X will remove gnome anyway
[10:13] <Davey> sktrdie: do you get a GUI at all? or does it through you back to the terminal?
[10:13] <mauper> stratovarius: how is your router connected to your computer ?
[10:13] <Seveas> Luke, no idea on how to do that correctly
[10:13] <sktrdie> the first time It worked
[10:13] <Luke> Seveas: ok thanks
[10:13] <Seveas> Luke, but why do you use a custom kernel..?
[10:13] <sktrdie> but i just rebooted now It's not starting
[10:14] <sktrdie> Seveas: ok so how do install debfoster?
[10:14] <Luke> Seveas: cause for some reason the kernel that came stock with ubuntu didnt have support for my sound card
[10:14] <Seveas> sudo apt-get install debfoster
[10:14] <Seveas> Luke, very good reason :}
[10:14] <stratovarius> thow pci network card :D
[10:14] <Luke> Seveas: it should be pretty simple... i just gotta figure out how to get the nvidia module
[10:14] <Davey> sktrdie: try to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:14] <Seveas> Luke, installing the stuff from nvidia.com should do it
[10:15] <Seveas> combined with nvidia-glx-enable (that should work)
[10:15] <Luke> Seveas: i dont have nvidia-glx-enable
[10:15] <stratovarius> *through
[10:15] <joan_> hola
[10:15] <Seveas> ah ok, then you need to find some instructions on the nvidia site
[10:15] <Seveas> Luke, and file a bug about your soundcard so it can be fixed.
[10:16] <stratovarius> no one helps me :((
[10:16] <Luke> Seveas: kk
[10:16] <Davey> Luke: what soundcard do you have?
[10:16] <unome> what's a good program for digital camera?
[10:16] <Davey> stratovarius: your problem is what exactly?
[10:16] <Luke> Davey: audigy 2 value
[10:16] <Seveas> unome, for which use..?
[10:16] <Seveas> transferring photos?
[10:16] <Luke> Davey: it works with my new kernel
[10:16] <unome> Seveas: usb
[10:16] <Seveas> or editing them?
[10:17] <unome> Seveas: just to d/l photos from camera
[10:17] <Seveas> unome, usually cameras can be plugged in and are automagically mounted...
[10:17] <stratovarius> when I try to open a web page i gotta wait lotta time and often that page doesnt get opened
[10:17] <Davey> unome: Mine has the ability to connect as a USB HDD :)
[10:17] <unome> Seveas: not in my case, I'm trying to work on it.
[10:17] <Seveas> unome, odd...
[10:18] <Seveas> please file a bug, include your camera model and the output of dmesg after you plug it in
[10:18] <Luke> does anyone know how to get hi-res framebuffers?
[10:18] <unome>  /var/log/messages show nothing when I connect the camera
[10:18] <D1> faulty dsdt's are such a pain to fix.
[10:18] <unome> Seveas: if I can't get it to work, I will, thanks mate
[10:19] <Seveas> unome, if you can get it to work: file a bug anyway and include your solution
[10:19] <sktrdie> Davey: actually I think X is fine, but maybe GDM is giving some probles
[10:19] <sktrdie> it says
[10:19] <unome> will do.
[10:19] <sktrdie> I will disable X for now..
[10:19] <apollo2011> Anyone know why my System Prefs and Admin menus suddenly disappeard and now the folders are empty?
[10:20] <Davey> sktrdie: try apt-get install -f
[10:21] <sktrdie> Davey it's upgraded
[10:21] <sktrdie> but if I do apt-get xorg
[10:21] <sktrdie> it doesnt work
[10:21] <sktrdie> or gdm
[10:22] <twb_> Linux pwns all
[10:23] <Davey> sktrdie: did you run that command I just said?
[10:23] <sktrdie> Davey yea
[10:23] <Davey> tried startx ?
[10:24] <sktrdie> yes
[10:24] <sktrdie> o i found the problem
[10:24] <sktrdie> o no
[10:24] <sktrdie> damn
[10:25] <twb_> whats a good way to learn aboutUbuntu
[10:25] <HiddenWolf> twb, browse wiki.ubuntulinux.org
[10:26] <ompaul> twb_, spend a few hours here, use the live CD install the real deal - add all the repositories, add all the software and ohh www.ubuntu.com :)
[10:26] <unome> libgphoto2 + libgphoto2-dev was all needed to get this camera to work =)
[10:26] <twb_> whats the Live CD?
[10:26] <Seveas> unome, interesting
[10:26] <Seveas> how do you transfer the photos now?
[10:27] <neo_21670> hi
[10:27] <unome> Seveas: mount it, konqueror
[10:27] <neo_21670> i just like to ask, is ubuntu available in hungarian?
[10:27] <ompaul> twb_, a CD that does not need to be installed to run - if you have a reasonable amount of RAM it should be okay
[10:27] <neo_21670> errm, liked
[10:27] <phudy> question to all c-developer: what do you think is the best IDE for c/c++ development?
[10:27] <Seveas> phudy, vim
[10:28] <mwe> phudy, kdevelop
[10:28] <Seveas> neo_21670, there are hungarion translations, you can simply install language-support-hu and run dpkg-reconfigure locales
[10:28] <mwe> phudy, it's user friendly and has loads of features
[10:29] <neo_21670> Seveas - thanks :)
[10:29] <phudy> mwe, kdevelop? kde only?!
[10:29] <ompaul> phudy, you can run it in gnome
[10:29] <neo_21670> is this language-support-hu included on the install disc?
[10:29] <BockBilbo> hello
[10:30] <mwe> phudy, it's for all kinds of projects, but is aimed at kde/qt development yes
[10:30] <Seveas> neo_21670, iirc no
[10:30] <BockBilbo> ive just installed the basic installation of hoary, and then switcheed to breezy
[10:30] <unome> Heck, it's 100 times easier to get a digital camera to work under Ubuntu than windoze, I can even browse right from konqueror. (nautilus as well I guess)
[10:30] <mwe> phudy, it has templates for all kinds of projects though
[10:30] <BockBilbo> got a question about gnome, whats the main package of gnome so it installs it all?
[10:30] <Seveas> gnome-desktop-environment
[10:30] <BockBilbo> thanks
[10:30] <mwe> phudy, it's really cool
[10:30] <mwe> phudy, try it out
[10:31] <sktrdie> guys this is wierd
[10:31] <sktrdie> but my computer is reading from another xorg.conf file
[10:31] <sktrdie> in my home
[10:31] <phudy> mwe, hm... i am only interested in c, maybe java and python a little but... but thanks, yeah. i am currently downloading it. thanks again :-)
[10:31] <sktrdie> i didnt know
[10:31] <sktrdie> why is this?
[10:31] <mwe> phudy, or eclipse with the CDT plugin if you don't like kdevelop.
[10:31] <Maus> Ubuntu is set up to automatically detect and mount drives and media, such as pen drives and blank CD-Rs, right?
[10:31] <BockBilbo> seveas that package isnt on apt
[10:32] <Seveas> phudy, if you want to use java and python: eclipse
[10:32] <BockBilbo> there is one though called gnome-desktop-data
[10:34] <BockBilbo> that one isnt
[10:35] <neo_21670> well, thanks for the info, byez
[10:36] <geckboy> hello
[10:36] <mwe> howdy
[10:36] <stratovarius> hey who can tell me why firefox opens my web pages very slow?
[10:36] <yuacht> stratovarius, using a proxy?
[10:36] <yuacht> freenet etc
[10:36] <anacron> stratovarius: try to take ipv6 thingie off
[10:36] <stratovarius> often it doesnt open them
[10:36] <apollo2011> Is there a website for Smeg? Cuz I would like to report a fairly significant bug
[10:36] <i_m_meen> hello
[10:36] <stratovarius> done
[10:37] <i_m_meen> i just upgraded from warty to hoary
[10:37] <Burgundavia> apollo2011, file it in malone
[10:37] <stratovarius> no I think
[10:37] <stratovarius> i'm behind a router
[10:37] <i_m_meen> how can i get new gpg signatures?
[10:37] <i_m_meen> packages won't authenticare :(
[10:37] <apollo2011> Burgundavia: what is malone? Is that a program?
[10:37] <Burgundavia> apollo2011, a new bug tracker
[10:38] <apollo2011> Burgundavia: where do I get there to file a bug report?
[10:38] <i_m_meen> does anybody know?
[10:38] <stratovarius> doesn no one help me? :(
[10:38] <twb_> whats the purpose of GNOME?
[10:38] <mwe> the purpose?
[10:38] <anacron> what's the purpose of life!
[10:38] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[10:38] <twb_> well, what is it?
[10:39] <jbroome> 42
[10:39] <mwe> to provide a desktop environment I guess
[10:39] <Burgundavia> twb_, to provide a high quality DE and development platform
[10:39] <i_m_meen> how about package authentification?
[10:39] <i_m_meen> how can i solge it?
[10:39] <i_m_meen> *solve
[10:39] <apollo2011> Burgundavia: thx
[10:39] <Burgundavia> apollo2011, np
[10:40] <Maus> Ubuntu is no longer auto-mounting my pen-drive, what's up?  The only difference that I can think of is that I wiped it.
[10:41] <terje> is there a file similar to rc.local that get's run when the system boots to stick commands you wish to run when the machine boots?
[10:41] <linuxboy> Maus: how did you wipe it?
[10:41] <Seveas> terje, you can create it :)
[10:41] <twb_> is there a keyboard shortcut for a ne wTerminal?
[10:42] <Seveas> and run update-rc.d your_initscript start s .
[10:42] <terje> Seveas, sure I can do a init.d/rcX.d/runme file as well, but I'm wondering if there's one already
[10:42] <Seveas> twb_, you can create one :)
[10:42] <Maus> linuxboy: I deleted all files while using a windows box.
[10:42] <linuxboy> Maus: oh
[10:42] <Seveas> twb_, i've mapped [flag]  + T to new terminal
[10:42] <terje> ok, so I guess I'll create it then :)
[10:42] <twb_> seveas: how can i do that?
[10:43] <Maus> linuxboy: It still mounts fine under windows, and it used to mount under Ubuntu.
[10:43] <wazdmin> i installed the kde desktop but when i login its still gnome..how can i unistall gnome
[10:44] <mwe> terje, there is a template you can use if you like
[10:44] <Seveas> twb_, system -> prefs -> keyboard shortcuts
[10:44] <i_m_meen> where could i go to find out about authentification? about signed .debs?
[10:44] <twb_> o wow....thx a lot!
[10:44] <devios> I can't actually prove this, but DNS resolution appears to be signifigantly slower on Ubuntu than on WindowsXP using the same system.  It's bizzare.  And yes, I've disabled IPV6 in firefox; it's not just in firefox.
[10:44] <wazdmin> is there a command to disable gnome
[10:44] <i_m_meen> something like #ubuntu-dev? or -bug?
[10:45] <wazdmin> the login is diffrnt but my desktop is still gnome
[10:45] <Seveas> wazdmin, you can select KDE in the login screen
[10:45] <wazdmin> i did
[10:45] <wazdmin> it didnt change my desktop though
[10:45] <Seveas> wazdmin, and you can use debfoster to surgically remove ubuntu-desktop (while having kubuntu-desktop installed)
[10:46] <i_m_meen> how can i authenticate my packages?
[10:47] <Seveas> i_m_meen, what do you mean??
[10:47] <twb_> wheres a good place to learn about the Terminal?
[10:47] <twb_> cd
[10:48] <d_i_> I have just installed ubuntu 5.04 but under the install it did not ask for root password - now i need root access but i dont have any password and i have tryed to leave the root password blank when it asked for it, did not work.. what do i do?
[10:48] <thoreauputic> ompaul: hi :)
[10:48] <Seveas> twb_, tldp.org
[10:48] <i_m_meen> Seveas: i mean that i moved from warty to hoary and i need a new pgp key
[10:48] <i_m_meen> Seveas: from ubuntu
[10:48] <Seveas> d_i_: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:49] <Seveas> in short: the root password is disabled by default, Ubuntu uses sudo
[10:49] <d_i_> aha - thanks :)
[10:49] <Seveas> i_m_meen, that should be automatically installed if you have ubuntu-desktop installed
[10:49] <d_i_> well i use it for a server
[10:50] <i_m_meen> Seveas: oh no..you mean i have to install everything?
[10:50] <i_m_meen> Seveas: i don't use gnome & co....
[10:50] <Seveas> d_i_, for sharing administration sudo is much better than su/a root password :)
[10:50] <Seveas> i_m_meen, hang on...
[10:50] <twb_> so, whenever i want to install or file manage i have to put 'sudo' prior to command?
[10:51] <apollo2011> Anything I type into the Title of a bug report on Maline comes back as an Invalid Value...Even if I just type Smeg in
[10:51] <Seveas> i_m_meen, install the ubuntu-keyring package
[10:51] <d_i_> i wrote: sudo root    and then it said: password - and i entered the password i wantet but then it said "Sudo root unknown command"
[10:51] <Seveas> twb_, yes
[10:51] <i_m_meen> Seveas: i'm sure there's a package missing, but which is it..
[10:51] <i_m_meen> i new it
[10:51] <i_m_meen> thx
[10:51] <Seveas> :)
[10:52] <wazdmin> alright..now when i login with kde i can login but...i get this message Sound server fatal error:
[10:52] <wazdmin> cpu overload, aborting
[10:52] <Seveas> d_i_, sudo -i
[10:52] <spowers> Can anyone point me at some good printable documentation for ubuntu?
[10:52] <Seveas> that gives you a root shell
[10:52] <spowers> install guides, stuff like that
[10:52] <spowers> to give to newbies
[10:52] <CarlFK> making a firewall/router/nat/gatway box.  how do I add a 3c509 isa nic as a 2nd nic - guessing I add 3c509 to /etc/modules - not sure what to do in /etc/network/interfaces... is there a wiki page or something
[10:52] <Seveas> spowers, wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:52] <d_i_> but how do i activate the root login as in "normal" linux :)
[10:52] <highvoltage> does hoary explain sudo root when you install it? if id doesn't, I think it should be logged as a bug.
[10:52] <CarlFK> d_i_ - this is not "normal linux" - this is above that ;)
[10:53] <highvoltage> d_i_: sudo passwd root
[10:53] <ompaul> d_i_, if you really want to you should consider this sudo -s or sudo -i in a terminal
[10:53] <Seveas> d_i_, in a rootshell type passwd root (But please reconsider getting used to sudo, it's much better)
[10:53] <Seveas> highvoltage, it does
[10:53] <__Lamont__> yeah the use of sudo instead of a root user should be displayed in a "startup help" or something...; though most of us just close those things in windoze :p
[10:53] <ompaul> d_i_, you are removing one layer of security if you do that
[10:53] <Seveas> highvoltage, but no one reads installer messages ;)
[10:53] <i_m_meen> Seveas: still doesn't work... :(( and i'm using only main/uni/multiverse...
[10:53] <apollo2011> Burgundavia: I can't add a bug report because anything I right into the Title form comes back as Invalid Value
[10:53] <i_m_meen> Seveas: gonna fight it though :P
[10:53] <Seveas> i_m_meen, odd...
[10:53] <highvoltage> Seveas: hehe.
[10:54] <twb_> does linux need a firewall or antivirus protecion?
[10:54] <spowers> i usually use sudo su and sudo su -
[10:54] <spowers> heh
[10:54] <CarlFK> twb_ - firewall no, av... kinda.
[10:54] <Seveas> twb_, not really...
[10:54] <highvoltage> twb_: that depends
[10:54] <wazdmin> hey guys..i get a sound message when i login Sound server fatal error:
[10:54] <wazdmin> cpu overload, aborting
[10:54] <ompaul> twb_, yes and no, really no,
[10:54] <wazdmin> how can i fix that
[10:54] <Burgundavia> apollo2011, for smeg?
[10:54] <twb_> well, whats a good anti virus program then
[10:55] <highvoltage> if it's going to be a server that's going to pass on some kind of data to a windows machine (e-mail/file shares/etc), then you'd want virus protection.
[10:55] <unome> twb_: close your ports and turn off any unsued services and you're good to go
[10:55] <ompaul> twb_, you don't need one
[10:55] <beeftube> I am thinking about installing ubuntu on my new laptop, is the Hoary release safe for a dual boot system? TIA
[10:55] <highvoltage> twb_: clamav
[10:55] <apollo2011> Burgundavia: yeah I tried to report a bug for it, searched first and anything I type won't go
[10:55] <highvoltage> (but you don't need it if it's just for your laptop)
[10:55] <Seveas> beeftube, yes
[10:55] <thoreauputic> twb_: you don't really need AV unless you are filtering stuff for windows machines
[10:55] <CarlFK> unome - that makes it sound like there are open ports... no such thing unless you have set them up
[10:55] <wazdmin> i am having a little sound problem
[10:55] <ompaul> twb_, only if I am running a mail server for windows users do I need antivirus Linux does not get anything that looks like a virus in Windows
[10:55] <Seveas> wazdmin: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[10:55] <twb_> turn off ports and unused services...??...eh?
[10:55] <QMario> Is there a similar program to linuxtrade that offers the same things as linuxtrade?
[10:56] <jo> wazdmin?
[10:56] <unome> CarlFK: correct, Ubuntu doesnt come with any services installed.
[10:56] <Burgundavia> apollo2011, probably not there yet
[10:56] <queuetue> QMario, What does linuxtrade do?
[10:56] <ompaul> I remember reading a while ago how someone tried to run virus software under wine and it failed
[10:56] <Seveas> unome, almost close to windows
[10:56] <apollo2011> Burgundavia: Im trying to add it
[10:56] <Seveas> unome, that comes without any service installed ;)
[10:56] <i_m_meen> Seveas: looks like apt doesn't get it..synaptic did
[10:56] <highvoltage> wazdmin: is this sound problem perhaps coming from a girlfriend/wife? I had that too.
[10:56] <Burgundavia> apollo2011, join #launchpad
[10:56] <beeftube> <Seveas Thanks , last time I tried Hoary was when it was still experimental.. crunched my MBR... OK I will try it... thanks :)
[10:56] <CarlFK> twb_ - unless you have hacked your box up, your'e fine
[10:56] <queuetue> unome, None?
[10:56] <thoreauputic> twb_: Ubuntu ships with services disabled by default anyway
[10:56] <wazdmin> ur not funny
[10:56] <QMario> Queuetue, it is a real-time stock market tracker and news console.
[10:56] <jo> girlfriend/wife sound error my to
[10:56] <unome> Seveas: but windoze comes with many wide open ports :/
[10:56] <Seveas> beeftube, hoary has been released in april and has been good to use since january
[10:57] <queuetue> QMario, bleah, no clue.  Check freshmeat. :)
[10:57] <Seveas> unome, try the other interpretation of service ;)
[10:57] <ompaul> Seveas, is anyone doing a .deb for smeg?
[10:57] <QMario> Oh, okay. Thank You. :)
[10:57] <js_> i got two soundcards in my box, and i them to switch numbers.. uhm, so hw:1 becomes hw:0 and the other way around.. same goes for oss emulation.. i want dsp1 to become dsp and dsp to become dsp1
[10:57] <js_> any idea how i do that?
[10:57] <unome> weee
[10:57] <Seveas> ompaul, www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg
[10:57] <ccc> anyone by chance familiar with kgpg?
[10:58] <i_m_meen> another problem, how can i find out from which repo is a package?
[10:58] <__Lamont__> Can anyone point me in the direction of general linux help on getting a PS/2 mouse to work? Didn't seem to recognize it during install or something
[10:58] <Seveas> i_m_meen, apt-cache policy $package
[10:58] <ompaul> Seveas, how did I know you would know that :)
[10:58] <Burgundavia> i_m_meen, in syanptic, look at its properties
[10:59] <tomchuk> __Lamont__: does "sudo modprobe psmouse" do anything for you?
[10:59] <p0m> Anyone around?
[11:00] <__Lamont__> tomchuk: lemme try
[11:00] <ompaul> Seveas, so its for breezy :)
[11:00] <thoreauputic> p0m: no the other 485 people here are figments of your imagination...
[11:00] <p0m> Does anyone know why I would get a "error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)" error when I have up to date 2.4 python on Ubuntu 5.04?
[11:00] <p0m> thoreauputic, Heh.
[11:00] <i_m_meen> Seveas: don't get it ...xfe and mc are both from uni, and xfe doesn't authenticate :(
[11:00] <__Lamont__> tomchuk - nothing AFAICT
[11:01] <qos> hey guys, can someone tell me how to change the resolution of my bootloader screen?
[11:01] <Seveas> p0m, if you are compiling things: install python2.4-dev (if not: what are you doing?)
[11:01] <stianh> hey, where can I find a graphical services manager?
[11:01] <Seveas> i_m_meen, xfe..?
[11:01] <stianh> deamon manger?
[11:01] <i_m_meen> Seveas: xfe - deb package :P
[11:01] <Seveas> stianh, look for BUM on the ubuntuforums package
[11:01] <p0m> I just glossed straight over that package Seveas .
[11:01] <p0m> Thanks.
[11:02] <tomchuk> __Lamont__: if you open a terminal and cat /dev/psaux and move your mouse so you get a bunch or garbage on the terminal?
[11:02] <i_m_meen> Seveas: it's just an example, i want to test apt-build
[11:02] <twb_> does ~ = your personal files? i.e ~ = twb?
[11:02] <Seveas> i_m_meen, odd, it gives no errors here
[11:02] <stratovarius> hey who can use lopster?
[11:03] <Seveas> twb_, ~ refers to your homedir, so /home/twb
[11:03] <twb_> ahh i see....
[11:03] <thoreauputic> has anyone had trouble with the recent update of libxine1 in hoary? Mine refused to play .wmv and .asf videos - I fixed it by reinstalling the older version...
[11:03] <i_m_meen> Seveas: i could avoid it, but i don't know where to put the --force-yes option... it's not a command line option it seems, for apt-build :(
[11:03] <ompaul> thoreauputic, no
[11:03] <i_m_meen> Seveas: it just tells me that i should use -y option with --force-yes..
[11:04] <Seveas> i_m_meen, what does apt-key list say?
[11:04] <thoreauputic> ompaul: you have the update?
[11:04] <ompaul> afiak yes
[11:04] <thoreauputic> hmm
[11:04] <ompaul> afaik yes
[11:04] <ompaul> thoreauputic, let me check the version
[11:04] <i_m_meen> pub  1024D/437D05B5 2004-09-12 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[11:04] <i_m_meen> sub  2048g/79164387 2004-09-12
[11:04] <i_m_meen> pub  1024D/FBB75451 2004-12-30 Ubuntu CD Image Automatic Signing Key <cdimage@ubuntu.com>
[11:05] <i_m_meen> should i remove the cd image key or what?
[11:05] <i_m_meen> although it seems newer....
[11:05] <d_i_> i really love this system.. damn its good
[11:05] <thoreauputic> ompaul: the problematic one is  1.0-1ubuntu3.2 0  (libxine1)
[11:05] <Seveas> i_m_meen, odd, that is expected output...
[11:05] <Seveas> i_m_meen, which ubuntu mirror are you using..?
[11:06] <i_m_meen> archive.ubuntu.com - as official as it gets
[11:06] <p0m> Oh Cocom, how I hate thee.
[11:06] <Seveas> i_m_meen, puzzling, I use the same setup and packages authenticate just fine here...
[11:06] <ompaul> thoreauputic, libxine1 is already the newest version. <-- apt-get install reports
[11:06] <i_m_meen> synaptic seems to work fine
[11:07] <thoreauputic> ompaul: what does apt-cache policy say your version is?
[11:07] <i_m_meen> BUT i want to test apt-build...and the damned mother-f***** doesn't have good docs
[11:07] <Seveas> i_m_meen, aha, packages you create with apt-build will of course have no valid signature...
[11:07] <ompaul> 1.0-1ubuntu3.2 0
[11:07] <markus> join #ubuntu
[11:07] <Seveas> markus, already there ;)
[11:08] <ompaul> thoreauputic, I will message you the works if you want
[11:08] <thoreauputic> ompaul: yeas, that's the one that cused me grief
[11:08] <markus> quit
[11:08] <markus> hehe
[11:08] <jo> the blues yes
[11:08] <markus> oh
[11:08] <markus> hi
[11:08] <thoreauputic> ompaul: no need
[11:08] <i_m_meen> Seveas: of course, but there should be a way to force them through...which i can't find
[11:08] <ompaul> k
[11:08] <i_m_meen> Seveas: that's all i ask...
[11:08] <markus> any german in here?
[11:08] <GreekStatue> could anyone help me on a simple question?
[11:08] <i_m_meen> markus: nein :P
[11:08] <ompaul> mark, #ubuntu-de
[11:08] <markus> gg
[11:09] <jo> GreekStatue?
[11:09] <Boody> Anyone know where I can get drivers for a PCI ISDN card it has a Winbond w6692 cf chip set
[11:09] <wazdmin> oh fuck
[11:09] <thoreauputic> ompaul: and xine plays .wmv or .asf OK on your system/
[11:09] <wazdmin> everything is crashing
[11:09] <torti-> hi, how do i install ethereal in the current ubuntu release? synaptic does not show it
[11:09] <markus> ich hab ein problem mit ubuntu
[11:09] <GreekStatue> what is the name of the file that determines that startup programs?
[11:09] <wazdmin> god damn it
[11:09] <mark> is anyone having any success getting self-compiled kernel modules to load in breezy?
[11:09] <ompaul> thoreauputic, afik it did earlier let me d/load one again
[11:09] <GreekStatue> not the "sessions" though
[11:09] <Seveas> GreekStatue, there are lots of files that determine that...
[11:09] <xulin> hi
[11:09] <wazdmin> my whole screen is black except for my text
[11:09] <GreekStatue> i know there is one main one
[11:10] <Seveas> GreekStatue, not really...
[11:10] <GreekStatue> lol ok umm
[11:10] <xulin> is there any 2.6.12 linux image for hoary somewhere ?
[11:10] <GreekStatue> like initmain.conf or something
[11:10] <Seveas> xulin, no, and there never will be
[11:10] <Seveas> GreekStatue, that file does not exist
[11:10] <xulin> ok :s ..
[11:10] <jind> xulin, use custom kernel?
[11:10] <Seveas> GreekStatue, what are you trying to accomplish..?
[11:10] <thoreauputic> xulin: no, there won't be until Breezy AFAIK
[11:10] <mark> xulin: i've had nothing but problems with .12
[11:10] <Seveas> thoreauputic, it's in breezy already ;(
[11:10] <Seveas> ;)
[11:11] <GreekStatue> ok thanks anyway
[11:11] <jind> ruben@ras:~$ uname -r
[11:11] <jind> 2.6.12.1
[11:11] <jind> :-)
[11:11] <torti-> hrmpf, anyone installes ethereal in 5.04?
[11:11] <fabbione> breezy has 2.6.12.1
[11:11] <fabbione> see the changelog..
[11:11] <fabbione> and monday 2.6.12.2
[11:11] <thoreauputic> fabbione: is it A Bad Move (tm) to install the Breezy kernel in Hoary ?
[11:12] <mark> breezy is nice, but it's obvious why it's a devel branch
[11:12] <markus> Problem: Nach einem Reboot konnte ich mich zwar unter meinem Usernamen in Ubuntu einloggen. Aber smtliche Einstellungen waren pltzlich wieder auf den default-Einstellungen. Auch mein gesamtes Home-Verzeichnis ist leer.
[11:12] <tomchuk> torti-: yup
[11:12] <fabbione> thoreauputic: yes.. bad
[11:12] <markus> :/
[11:12] <xulin> ok .. breezy or no 2.6.12 .. thanks :)
[11:12] <thoreauputic> fabbione: as i suspected - thanks
[11:12] <torti-> tomchuk:  how? synaptic does not list ethereal
[11:12] <tomchuk> maybe it's in universe?
[11:12] <flugh> torti-, enable 'Universe', apt-get update && apt-get install ethereal
[11:13] <flugh> tomchuk, it is (just checked)
[11:13] <i_m_meen> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[11:13] <fabbione> thoreauputic: backporting the kernel is not as simple as rebuild and install
[11:13] <Seveas> markus, mann spricht englisch in #ubuntu, fuer deutschsprachige hilfe -> /join #ubuntu-de
[11:13] <torti-> tomchuk:  ehm what do you mean by enable universe?
[11:13] <fabbione> there are many many other problems behind it
[11:13] <ivan_ska> alguien q hable espaol?
[11:13] <thoreauputic> fabbione: right
[11:13] <xulin> bye
[11:13] <Seveas> ivan_ska, va en #ubuntu-es por espanol
[11:13] <tomchuk> torti-: enable the universe repository in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:13] <markus> oh sorry... i did'nt know.. thx ;)
[11:13] <flugh> torti-, i'm a big fan of ubuntuguide.org. it's the first thing on the page (enabling repositories)
[11:13] <ivan_ska> ok
[11:13] <ivan_ska> thank you
[11:13] <torti-> ah k
[11:13] <Seveas> flugh, BAD idea
[11:13] <Seveas> ubuntuguide suck
[11:14] <Seveas> s
[11:14] <Seveas> and enables marillat and backports by default...
[11:14] <torti-> thanks tomchuk  and flugh  for the help
[11:14] <tomchuk> np
[11:14] <flugh> i gotta say i've had a different experiene seveas :)
[11:14] <Seveas> torti-: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:14] <mark> has anyone had success getting self-compiled kernel modules working in 2.6.12 in breezy?  in particular, nvidia and ndiswrapper.  i can't get either of these to work.
[11:14] <Seveas> torti-: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:14] <i_m_meen>   xfe
[11:14] <i_m_meen> E: There are problems and -y was used without --force-yes
[11:14] <i_m_meen> and when i try sudo apt-build install xfe -y it doesn't work :((
[11:14] <i_m_meen> --force-yes it not an option...
[11:14] <cmatheson> so i'm polling snmp to get a lot of information about my hosts on the network... but the problem is that some of the counters have reached their limit (er, the limit of an unsigned long int). how could i reset these counters?
[11:14] <rolo> anyone with amule working on ubuntu?
[11:15] <wazdmin> is it normal for kde to crash ?
[11:15] <othernoob> is there a way to undo a "rm" command?
[11:15] <Seveas> othernoob, no
[11:15] <othernoob> fuck..
[11:15] <jo> going for breezy
[11:15] <wazdmin> also ..everytime i reboot my mousebecomes unrecognized
[11:15] <highvoltage> wazdmin: depends on the circumstances. if your cpu is overheating, or if you have faulty memory, then it's perfectly normal.
[11:16] <thoreauputic> ompaul: any reports on libxine1 playing .wmv on your system?
[11:16] <wazdmin> k..i have faultymemory
[11:16] <twb_> what does 'cd' stand for
[11:16] <mark> change directory
[11:16] <twb_> k
[11:16] <wazdmin> anyone know how to fix a nonresponsive mouse
[11:16] <Seveas> wazdmin, let the cat chase it
[11:16] <wazdmin> oy a
[11:16] <thoreauputic> wazdmin: a small dose ofviagra?
[11:16] <Maus> wasdmin: I know it sounds stupid, but make sure the connection is secure.
[11:17] <wazdmin> it is indeed..i have to unplug and plug it back in to get it to work
[11:17] <othernoob> i wanted to rename something and remove something else.. i mixed up the files..fuck me :/
[11:17] <Maus> But it DOES work as soon as you do that?
[11:17] <wazdmin> yep
[11:17] <highvoltage> wazdmin: i've found that you have to change the driver you're using in your xorg.conf file.
[11:17] <Maus> Then maybe it's working loose.
[11:17] <wazdmin> working loose ?
[11:18] <highvoltage> some mice work better if you choose the ImPS/2 driver, instead of the PS/2
[11:18] <flugh> othernoob, it happens. i was coding one night and did a 'rm -f * .o' to clean up. yeah, costly little extra space there :)
[11:18] <ompaul> thoreauputic, emm not good
[11:18] <thoreauputic> ompaul: not playing?
[11:18] <wazdmin> wtf..
[11:19] <Seveas> flugh, ouch :|
[11:19] <wazdmin> xchat just closed out on me
[11:19] <othernoob> flugh: lol. costly indeed
[11:19] <Maus> wasdmin: Yeah, if the plug doesn't fit well or the wire is under stress, the the mouse can actually come out of the socket
[11:19] <jo> ugrade to  breezy take 5 min
[11:19] <ompaul> thoreauputic, wma aint - just getting an asf now
[11:19] <wazdmin> ya..i got too many problems right now
[11:19] <Maus> wasdmin: so it looks like it's hooked up, but a connection or two isn't there
[11:19] <thoreauputic> ompaul: I had to reinstall the old deb from /var/cache/apt/archives ...
[11:19] <cletus> hi, how can i install Rythmbox?
[11:19] <unome> wazdmin: xchat crashed and you're still here?
[11:19] <othernoob> flugh: so there's absolutely no way to get back that file?
[11:20] <wazdmin> i just came back
[11:20] <thoreauputic> cletus: it's installed by default
[11:20] <Maus> wasdmin: try sticky tack
[11:20] <unome> lol
[11:20] <wazdmin> i guess it didnt show i left
[11:20] <flugh> othernoob, no, sorry.
[11:20] <mark> cletus: 'apt-get install rhthmbox' or look for it in synaptic package manager
[11:20] <othernoob> flugh: there goes a nice evening....
[11:20] <thoreauputic> mark: music player is rhythmbox
[11:20] <ompaul> thoreauputic, asf works
[11:20] <thoreauputic> mark: already installed
[11:20] <highvoltage> xmms is real nice.
[11:20] <cletus> E: Couldn't find package rhthmbox
[11:20] <thoreauputic> ompaul: hmm
[11:20] <mark> thoreauputic: i know.  i'm using it now
[11:21] <ompaul> thoreauputic,  I am going to get another wma
[11:21] <mark> cletus: my bad.  there's a y in that
[11:21] <wazdmin> this is gay as hell......mouse isnt working right..sound dont work right..computer is constantly crashing
[11:21] <thoreauputic> ompaul: some files I got sound without picture - it's definitely libxine1 as mplayer plays fine
[11:21] <highvoltage> wazdmin: hardware problems?
[11:22] <wazdmin> i hope not..its almost brand new computer
[11:22] <Maus> och
[11:22] <Maus> ouch*
[11:22] <cletus> thanks :)
[11:22] <thoreauputic> amarok is nice
[11:22] <jo> Fetched 277MB in 8m12s (561kB/s)
[11:22] <jo> 8 min
[11:22] <mark> jo: you ass
[11:22] <mark> :-P
[11:22] <highvoltage> wazdmin: perhaps if you let your computer feel more comfortable with its sexuality, it will perform better.
[11:22] <ompaul> thoreauputic, I got no joy with wma but asf is fine
[11:23] <wazdmin> thats nice
[11:23] <jo> mark?
[11:23] <unome> amarok is nice indeed, but I never got it to work with last.fm
[11:23] <mark> yes?
[11:23] <jo> i have fast pc
[11:23] <thoreauputic> ompaul: OK - well there appears to be a problem - i already posted a question to the mailing list
[11:23] <ompaul> thoreauputic, I vote for you :)
[11:23] <wazdmin> my pc worked great with windows
[11:24] <cletus> one last question, is there a way to change the ugly menu system in xmms when you right click on it?  I thought there was a different "look" available for it?\
[11:24] <cmatheson> cletus: use beep-media-player, it uses gtk2 instead of the old gtk
[11:24] <mark> jo: i'm with adelphia in soCal.  for the past month and a half they've been having "ongoing latency issues".  i could never get over 20kB/s yet i still had to pay full price.  it wasn't until yesterday morning that they got it fixed.
[11:24] <jo> but a agry can by dun faster but doing al kink off oter dtug to
[11:24] <jo> stuff
[11:24] <highvoltage> wazdmin: when it crashes, what exactly happens? do you get segfaults, does your computer freez solidly? does X restart?
[11:25] <ompaul> right so no rest for the wicked - I must have done something bad in a previous life off to work again for the second time today
[11:25] <unome> highvoltage: your troll detector is off? :p
[11:25] <twb_> on keyboard shortcuts, how could i make gaim ctrl+a?
[11:25] <wazdmin> last time it froze my screen started to get all broken like....it was diffrnt colors..sometimes i could read stuff if i put my mouse over the text
[11:25] <jo> http://www.ubuntu-linux.nl/index.php?page=documentatie&id=27
[11:26] <unome> lol
[11:26] <mark> heh
[11:26] <jode> Hi, what do they mean by "uncomment" the following 2 lines to add software from the universe
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> remove the #
[11:27] <thoreauputic> jode: remove the #
[11:27] <jo> ## take it awy
[11:27] <highvoltage> lines that start with a "#" are ignored by the programs that read the config files.
[11:27] <Maus> They're "comments" to the user
[11:27] <Boody> How do I get a ISDN card to work
[11:27] <mark> "add software from the universe"...wow...i've never actually thought about that statement before.
[11:27] <highvoltage> developers oftem put comments in these lines, so when a line starts with "#" it is said that it is commented out.
[11:28] <Maus> highvoltage: any clue why my removable media aren't auto-mounting anymore?
[11:28] <jode> There are 2 of them ,just take them out?
[11:28] <highvoltage> Maus: you commented out fstab?
[11:28] <thoreauputic> jode: no, only the lines that start with deb
[11:28] <wazdmin> highvoltage, i had the same problem with fc3 when i first installed it..except it happened right away and i never got to a dkestop
[11:28] <Maus> highvoltage: I don't THINK so.
[11:29] <battlecat> CAn UBUNTU (out of the box) install rpms and tarballs?
[11:29] <jode> Take just the # out?
[11:29] <jasoncohen> why doesn't gnome-system-tools in ubuntu have boot-admin?
[11:29] <Maus> highvoltage: can I have multiple root shells running?
[11:29] <mark> highvoltage: i don't know much about Maus's problem, but could it be hotplug?
[11:29] <highvoltage> Maus: it's not advisable
[11:29] <jasoncohen> it does in debian
[11:29] <thoreauputic> jode: take the # out of the lines that start # deb
[11:29] <highvoltage> Maus: what did you change just before it stopped working?
[11:29] <highvoltage> mark: i dunno
[11:29] <jode> ok thanks
[11:30] <thoreauputic> jode: and save the file, of course :)
[11:30] <wazdmin> oww man....ubuntu (kubuntu ) is being really difficult
[11:30] <torti-> hm, somehow all programs (like synaptic) who require the root password won't open if i start them under my normal username and enter the password. only if i use a rootshell and export $DISPLAY and use xhost +, which kinda sucks. how can i fix this?
[11:30] <phudy> question concerning kdevelop: i get the following warnings if i try to start it via cli: *kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'xxx' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'xx/xx'*
[11:30] <wazdmin> i need something a little more light weight
[11:31] <Maus> mark and highvoltage: I don't remember changing anything before it stopped working.  The only thing that I can think of that would be at all relevant would be the Removable Drives and Media Preferences, but I've since restored the options to default
[11:31] <nightswim> torti-: enter your own password
[11:31] <nightswim> torti-: not the root password
[11:31] <torti-> ?
[11:31] <nightswim> in the prompt
[11:31] <torti-> ehm ok
[11:31] <highvoltage> torti-: gksudoexec
[11:31] <nightswim> it's gsudo
[11:31] <torti-> that would explain a lot
[11:31] <nightswim> :)
[11:31] <salvia> hello
[11:31] <salvia> any openvpn users here ?
[11:31] <wazdmin> how can you tell if its ur video card thats fuckin up
[11:32] <highvoltage> nightswim & torti-: I meant gksuexec
[11:32] <torti-> salvia:  i have used openvpn for some time now
[11:32] <salvia> torti-, i got a gateway box i would like to run openvpn on for windows/linux clients
[11:32] <salvia> got two lan interfaces, one for th inet, second for the internal, any idea where do i start from ?
[11:33] <salvia> i was reading the howto's but nothing is really specific there .
[11:33] <Maus> wasdmin: Ideally, you swap in one that's known to work.
[11:33] <joseph> Ugh, my sound is not working...
[11:33] <torti-> nightswim, highvoltage won't work, 'failed to run ___ , subprocess exited with status 1'
[11:33] <joseph> What is the best way to debug it?
[11:33] <jasoncohen> i confirmed. for some reason hoary and breezy's gnome-system-tools don't have boot-admin. any idea why?
[11:34] <wazdmin> wellp..ideally..this one has worked fine for windows...i dont know what the deal is for linux...but its les than 6 months old
[11:34] <torti-> salvia:  actually the howtos at the openvpn page are pretty good
[11:34] <Luke> does anyone know how to make muine play Mp3s? I've got the gstreamer mad stuff installed
[11:34] <jasoncohen> salvia, the openvpn howto is VERY good
[11:34] <Maus> wazdmin: What's the card doing?
[11:34] <torti-> salvia:  have you read the howtos there?
[11:34] <wazdmin> sitting still
[11:35] <jasoncohen> i setup a VPN server with certificates and tunneled all traffic through the VPN server
[11:35] <jasoncohen> salvia, http://openvpn.net/howto.html
[11:35] <Maus> wazdmin:  "Sitting still"?
[11:35] <wazdmin> yep
[11:35] <salvia> thanks
[11:36] <wazdmin> i dont know man...i aint good with hardware..i just know that my computer doesnt look and operate the way it should
[11:36] <sjmurdoch> Can you install packages on a system running from the Ubuntu live CD?
[11:36] <joseph> Niether alsa or esd will work.
[11:36] <battlecat> does Ubuntu support RPM
[11:36] <Maus> wazdmin:  Can you describe that in any more detail?
[11:36] <i_m_meen> battlecat: use alien
[11:36] <wazdmin> sure
[11:37] <joseph> Ubuntu can't seem to configure my built in sound card SIS
[11:37] <Maus> highvoltage:  any ideas?
[11:37] <mwe> joseph, lspci to and see if it's listed
[11:37] <joseph> 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0)
[11:38] <wazdmin> i get a broken screen for both the install of fc3 when i boot up and when i operate in kde enviorment...broken meaning...screen turns black and had jagged colored lines..making it really hard to see anything
[11:38] <Maus> wazdmin: Is there any point at which it works as it should?
[11:38] <wazdmin> sure
[11:38] <joseph> It's a brand new computer.. maybe the chip is too new?
[11:39] <wazdmin> not for fc3 but for ubuntu it worked for like ten ins
[11:39] <joseph> IT does work...
[11:39] <joseph> but not now.
[11:39] <wazdmin> ten mins**
[11:39] <joseph> I think it has a problem sharing the soundcard.
[11:39] <Maus> What's the card?
[11:39] <wazdmin> nvidia 6200 turbo cache
[11:40] <Maus> Have you tried installing the nvidia drivers?
[11:40] <wazdmin> nope
[11:40] <nightswim> who knows a fun little game
[11:40] <Maus> And, do you have another monitor you could swap in real quick?
[11:40] <wazdmin> no srry
[11:41] <torti-> nightswim, highvoltage got it fixed, my user wasn't in the /etc/sudoers somehow
[11:41] <nightswim> ah
[11:41] <Luke> does anyone know how to make muine play Mp3s? I've got the gstreamer mad stuff installed
[11:41] <Maus> Ok, then is there any way you can consistently get a clear image?
[11:41] <wazdmin> yes
[11:42] <a_monkey> how do i echo my prefix? echo $PREFIX ?
[11:42] <wazdmin> i am running fine right now in fail safe mode
[11:42] <a_monkey> that doesn't work...
[11:42] <a_monkey> i thought it was echo $PREFIX
[11:43] <Maus> failsafe for which OS?
[11:43] <wazdmin> ubuntu
[11:43] <Maus> Ok
[11:43] <Maus> I bet your drivers are messed up.
[11:43] <wazdmin> or kubuntu since i installed the kde enviorment
[11:43] <wazdmin> i dont like the sound of that
[11:43] <Maus> Try installing new nvidia drivers according to the FAQ on www.ubuntulinux.org
[11:44] <d_i_> how do change a users home dir in terminal ?
[11:44] <Maus> Trying to find out where that FAQ is, specifically.
[11:44] <wazdmin> is it hard..?
[11:44] <wazdmin> i dont want any more all day problems
[11:44] <Maus> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[11:44] <Maus> I didn't find it too hard, and I'm fairly new to Ubuntu and linux myself.
[11:45] <wazdmin> ok
[11:45] <Maus> Just be sure to follow all of the steps.
[11:45] <xenox> hi
[11:46] <aimaz> a_monkey, if you run 'env' you will be shown the values of all your environment variables, I suspect you mean $PATH but I am not sure
[11:49] <dieu> hi to all
[11:49] <torti-> quastions over questions tonight: how do i access another desktop under gnome? CTRL-ALT-[left|right]  lets my cycle, bus i want to be able to 'jump' from desktop 1 to 3 for example
[11:50] <yuacht> torti-, edit shortucts
[11:50] <yuacht> keyboard shortcuts
[11:50] <ryan_> Can some one help me set up a web connection, im useing my dows machine as a gateway and im trying to relay it to my laptop usein ubuntu
[11:50] <sjmurdoch> torti-: By default GNOME doesn't have keybindings to do that. If you go to Preferences | Keyboard Shortcuts you can set them
[11:50] <torti-> ah k thx
[11:51] <ryan_> please someone
[11:51] <torti-> ryan_:  so you have a windows gateway which is supposed to do nat?
[11:51] <jasoncohen> anyone know why ubuntu doesn't package boot-admin in gnome-system-tools?
[11:52] <ryan_> well,  mt windows machine (this one) is on the net. I want to use a cat5 cross over between my laptop and pc to bridge the connection
[11:52] <ryan_> my*
[11:53] <ryan_> reason i faffing about like this torti-  is because my modem is a usb adsl and its too much a messabout
[11:53] <unome> webmin should have some boot-admin thingy
[11:53] <torti-> ryan_:  sure you want to bridge?
[11:53] <ryan_> yes torti- , for the time being :)
[11:53] <ryan_> torti-, ive configured the dows machine
[11:53] <ryan_> just need to know how to do so on my lapto
[11:53] <ryan_> laptop*
[11:54] <jasoncohen> unome, yeah, but boot-admin was better
[11:54] <torti-> why don't you use nat and set the windows machine as default gw on the linux box?
[11:54] <torti-> thats what i use
[11:54] <qos> hello guys
[11:55] <jasoncohen> webmin doesn't seem to be working properly. instead of using root as the user i should use the first user i setup & that users' password, correct?
[11:55] <qos> can somebody tell me how to change to background while booting & change the resolution?
[11:55] <ryan_> torti-, i dont know what that means. only started useing nix/ubuntu 2 days ago
[11:56] <ryan_> i just want to do it so its [web] ---[pc] ---<cross over>---[laptop] 
[11:56] <ryan_> whats nat ?
[11:57] <torti-> ryan_: sorry i don't really have that much clue in bridging. nat is network adress translation, kinda 'network sharing'
[11:57] <thoreauputic> ryan_: set the IP of the windows machine as default gateway on your laptop - in the network config tool
[11:57] <ryan_> uhm ok.
[11:57] <unome> jason, I would assume so. Never used webmin with Ubuntu
[11:57] <torti-> if it is nat which you are running this will surely help
[11:58] <ryan_> well torti- could you talk me thru it in pm please?
[11:58] <torti-> sure
[11:58] <ryan_> thanks
[11:58] <khermans> anyone know how to specify a proxy system wide ?? i cant do apt-get update
[11:59] <khermans> i need to route through a proxy...
[11:59] <khermans> socks v4
[11:59] <twb_> with firefox's sidesearch how can i delete he ones i dont want?