[12:14] <uniq> froud: in the morning you might want to edit debian/copyright to your liking.
[12:14] <froud> kk
[12:16] <froud> uniq: did you merge my changes in Makefile to your copy? I don't see anything new in your makefile
[12:16] <uniq> i didn't. i can do it. and upload a new to the same location.
[12:17] <froud> yep because the version I have from you has nothing new
[12:26] <uniq> updated.
[12:26] <froud> checking
[12:28] <froud> nice
[12:29] <froud> All done
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[12:29] <uniq> now, you might want to make a script to move the debian dirs around. both needs to be in the root dir when building packages. i can't think of a way around that, since it's debian policy.
[12:30] <uniq> when packages for upload are buildt we must extract everything from svn and exclude what's going in the kubuntu-docs package.. if we don't it'll include everything in the source pacakge.D[D[D[D[D[D
[12:30] <uniq> and that's not good.
[01:26] <uniq> nite.
[01:27] <Riddell> uh oh, hunger is getting into asking about artwork administration
[01:28] <Riddell> hunger: I've asked about strandard places for wallpaper, they arn't interested
[01:31] <uniq> riddell: hi, would be great if you could test https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8681#c28
[01:32] <uniq> i've tested a few times tonight and it's all good with that workaround.
[01:32] <uniq> on my two computers.
[01:33] <uniq> now i'm going to bed. gnite.
[01:33] <Riddell> testing for that beastie is near impossible
[01:34] <Riddell> it's on my todo list of course
[01:34] <uniq> ok :)
[01:35] <Riddell> uniq: the trouble is that issue only crops up completely randomly so I can't test your workaround since I don't have the issue currently
[01:35] <uniq> ok.
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[09:04] <hunger> Riddell: About the wallpapers: Can't you just use whatever gnome uses?
[09:07] <hunger> Riddell: And maybe you can even throw out some of the backgrounds... Users will want their own anyway or may not care about what is installed, both groups do not really need the biggish default selection.
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[10:40] <froud> elmo: ping
[11:47] <froud> anyone here know the status of the graphical installer? When will it be on a colony cd so we can update the Installation Guide?
[11:51] <Riddell> froud: you'll need to ask Kamion
[11:51] <froud> thanks
[11:51] <Riddell> apt-cache show ubuntu-express
[11:52] <froud> Riddell: FYI we now have a vendor drop of KDE docs in svn
[11:52] <froud> Riddell: Oh an a debian build from uniq :-)
[11:53] <Riddell> woo
[12:47] <froud> Riddell: Kubuntu artwork. Will it continue the blueish theme?
[12:48] <Riddell> froud: yes most likely
[12:48] <Riddell> can't go wrong with blue
[12:49] <froud> OK thanks
[01:00] <froud> Thoughts and ideas on the cover for the the printed version of the Kubuntu User Guide welcome http://lnix.net/~froud/artwork/kubuntu-cover.png
[01:02] <froud> inkscape src available at https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/artwork/kubuntu-cover.svg
[01:04] <Riddell> looks nice
[01:04] <Riddell> no konqi?
[01:04] <froud> thanks
[01:04] <froud> yes do you have or seen an svg version :-)
[01:06] <Riddell> konqi doesn't do SVG very well it's true
[01:07] <froud> see http://dot.kde.org/1097789248/ search for SVG
[01:18] <froud> is there CD artwork?
[01:21] <Riddell> http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/  grep for .eps
[01:21] <Riddell> froud: was done in Adobe Illustrator
[01:24] <froud> tanks. it's under free license?
[01:24] <Riddell> froud: yep
[01:27] <froud> cool and for the cd itself like the orange and the red ones
[01:30] <Riddell> http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-cd.pdf
[01:30] <Riddell> .eps and .ai
[01:30] <froud> Oh wicked :-)
[01:32] <Riddell> those should go somewhere more permanant really
[01:32] <froud> Hmm the cd itself is rather bland
[01:34] <Riddell> I tried to keep it simple
[01:34] <Riddell> froud: have you not seem the CDs?
[01:35] <froud> no
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[01:35] <froud> but that pdf is bland
[01:36] <Riddell> froud: want me to post you some CDs?
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[01:37] <froud> he he, no its ok I just download the ISO and burn them for people. Of course they replace the CD's. No point you spending money. The whole point of something like shipit is to get  the software to people who can't download it.
[01:38] <froud> of course some people tend to abuse it
[01:38] <froud> darn after sudo apt-get dist-upgrade I have no xserver and no kde
[01:39] <froud> shikes it was all removed :-(
[01:45] <uniq> hello kubuntuers.
[02:05] <froud> Riddell: quick mockup for CD http://lnix.net/~froud/artwork/kubuntu-cd-art.png thoughts?
[02:05] <froud> hello uniq 
[02:06] <Riddell> froud: nice
[02:06] <Riddell> froud: I'm not sure what the printing restrictions are with CDs, how many colours etc
[02:06] <froud> Its just a thought. Hmm r there restrictions?
[02:07] <Riddell> I'm not sure
[02:07] <Riddell> but I know they changed the colours I gave them slightly so they can't have a full pallette
[02:07] <froud> I guess it depends on the technology the printer uses. I have CDs from LINUX Mag that are full CMYK
[02:08] <froud> I wonder who they use?
[02:10] <froud> The sizes and shapes are a bit out on that image, I did not measure stuff :-) just a mockup
[02:12] <Riddell> slap it on KubuntuArtwork and it might get used for the next CD
[02:12] <froud> Sure
[02:16] <froud> how on earth to upgrade from hoary to breezy at this stage without losing xserver, kdm and all of kde
[02:16] <Riddell> can you apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[02:16] <froud> sure but why do we lose it in the first place?
[02:17] <uniq> the short answer is 'breezy isn't ready yet'.
[02:24] <froud> uniq: when do you anticipate it will be ready?
[02:25] <uniq> ~october just before release.
[02:25] <uniq> it'll probably stabilize some time before that.. i hope.
[02:28] <froud> Hmm, need GUI for docs
[02:28] <froud> need to plan writing
[02:29] <froud> How to write User Guide without GUI
[02:29] <froud> :-)
[02:29] <froud> Could just use Hoary
[02:30] <froud> but then need to know exactly what GUI changes will be in Breezy
[02:30] <froud> not counting artwork
[02:30] <Riddell> froud: seen kde-systemsettings?
[02:31] <froud> no
[02:31] <Riddell> you should :)
[02:31] <froud> why?
[02:31] <Riddell> because it's infinatly nicer than KControl and going to be in breezy
[02:32] <froud> ooh dear
[02:33] <froud> that changes much
[02:33] <Riddell> docs have lots of KControl references and screenshots?
[02:35] <froud> ayyyyNah!
[02:35] <froud> ouch
[02:35] <froud> User Guide will
[02:38] <froud> after dist-upgrade had to -f intstall and then only could I run install kubuntu-desktop, hope it works
[02:47] <uniq> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=45633
[02:47] <uniq> just found linuxcd.org nm.
[02:48] <Riddell> amu might be doing that
[02:51] <uniq> you don't think i should refer to linuxcd.org? 
[02:51] <uniq> $1.99 isn't much for a cd.
[02:53] <Riddell> oh sure yes
[03:01] <amu> http://www.kubuntu.de/shop :)
[03:05] <uniq> maybe i should buy kubuntu.no :)
[03:26] <\sh> http://www.gnoppix.org/shop/catalog/ <- redirect to ,-)
[03:26] <\sh> amu: what about reselling ,-)
[03:33] <\sh> amu: and what about a drink this evening...I will come to dren ,-)
[03:38] <amu> \sh: sounds good, Anand from Sydney is right now at my home :)   
[03:41] <\sh> amu: sounds great, when?
[03:41] <\sh> or we all together go to a gentoo meeting in oberhausen *harhar*
[03:42] <\sh> or csd in cologne? or php ug @schmidders in colone...all open for discussion, but I would like to have a drink in a nice pub ;)
[03:53] <Riddell> \sh: this akregator toolbar issue, I don't have those actions in the toolbar
[03:57] <\sh> me neither...until i patched it ,-) 
[03:58] <Riddell> so what's he complaining about?
[03:59] <\sh> i don't know...but it looks nicer and the functionality is improved ;)
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[04:08] <uniq> riddell: could you mention that the koffice 1.4 packages depends on kde 3.4.1 on  http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice-14.php ? 
[04:58] <\sh> ok..going home...amu will call u 
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[05:25] <\sh> re
[05:27] <Riddell> \sh: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4-sip-qt3_3.10.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb (--install):
[05:27] <Riddell>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sipconfig.py', which is also in package python2.4-sip4-qt3
[05:29] <\sh> Riddell: huu
[05:29] <\sh> i have 4.2.1-1ubuntu3
[05:29] <\sh> (breezy)
[05:30] <\sh> python2.4-sip4-qt3_4.2.1-1ubuntu3_i386.deb
[05:33] <Riddell> python2.4-sip4-qt3 is at version 4, python2.4-sip-qt3 is at version 3, and they clash on that file
[05:35] <\sh> python2.4-sip-qt3_3.10.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb is for qt2
[05:35] <\sh> no
[05:35] <Riddell> qt2?
[05:35] <\sh> sorry, i just read the conflicts..
[05:35] <\sh> i think it's a dupe
[05:36] <\sh> anyways, I have to compile sip4 and pykde and pyqt with new releases tomorrow morning
[05:38] <\sh> hmmm..what about makeing the python2.4-sip-qt3 stuff a compatiblity package? and remove the crap from the archives?
[05:39] <Riddell> how do you mean a compatiblity package?
[05:39] <\sh> python2.4-sip-qt3
[05:39] <\sh> Reverse Depends:
[05:39] <\sh>   python2.4-sip-dev
[05:39] <\sh>   python-sip-qt3
[05:39] <\sh> put the package name inside the python2.4-sip4-qt3 package just like python-sip4.qt3
[05:40] <\sh> remove the real source package from the archives, finally it's an old upstream source
[05:40] <\sh> the debian maintainer put sip4 + pyqt inside one source package
[05:44] <Riddell> just get rid of it I'd say
[05:44] <\sh> what is the process to get rid of crap? ,-)
[05:45] <Riddell> there was a wiki page somewhere
[05:45] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MorgueCandidates
[05:46] <Riddell> then e-mail elmo 
[05:53] <\sh> k...will do everything tomorrow :)
[06:00] <\sh> ok..page updated..elmo pinged
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[06:18] <froud> Riddle: kde-systemsettings is that the name of the package in Universe?
[06:19] <Riddell> froud: yes
[06:20] <froud> Riddell: is it in hoary universe or only breezy?
[06:21] <froud> I cant find it in hoary
[06:22] <Riddell> only breezy
[06:22] <froud> pah will the deb install on hoary at all
[06:22] <froud> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kde-systemsettings/
[06:23] <Riddell> no, but you could recompile it
[06:23] <froud> http://ftp.ale.org/pub/mirrors/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kde-systemsettings/
[06:24] <froud> like I know how to do that :-)
[06:24] <Riddell> wget http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kde-systemsettings/kde-systemsettings_0.0svn20050613.orig.tar.gz http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kde-systemsettings/kde-systemsettings_0.0svn20050613-0ubuntu2.diff.gz http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kde-systemsettings/kde-systemsettings_0.0svn20050613-0ubuntu2.dsc
[06:24] <Riddell> dpkg-source -x *dsc
[06:24] <Riddell> cd kde-systemsettings
[06:24] <Riddell> debuild
[06:25] <froud> k
[06:25] <froud> but somehow I must get a breezy desktop ruuning, otheriwise can do docs
[06:26] <froud> s/can/cant
[06:26] <Riddell> apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:27] <froud> Riddell: I did that and ended up with no xserver and no kdm or kde
[06:27] <froud> on apt-get -f install and then kubuntu-desktop the machine would no longer even boot
[06:28] <froud> so I have reinstalled hoary from scratch
[06:28] <froud> I tried dist-ipgrade twice with same results
[06:31] <froud> dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.
[06:31] <froud> dpkg-buildpackage: (Use -d flag to override.)
[06:31] <froud> debuild: fatal error at line 764:
[06:31] <froud> dpkg-buildpackage failed!
[06:37] <froud> fixed
[06:39] <Riddell> awooga
[06:39] <froud> gpg: skipped `Jonathan Riddell <jriddell@ubuntu.com>': secret key not available
[06:39] <froud> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[06:39] <froud> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[06:40] <Riddell> that's fine
[06:40] <Riddell> means it got to the end of a debuild
[06:40] <Riddell> cd ..
[06:40] <Riddell> dpkg --install *deb
[06:41] <froud> done
[06:41] <Riddell> alt-f2
[06:41] <Riddell> systemsettings
[06:42] <froud> oooh! nice
[06:42] <froud> so this will replace KContrl
[06:43] <Riddell> in kubuntu yes
[06:44] <froud> essentailly all that is done is to replace the main kcontrol. the parts gui's remain the same, right?
[06:44] <Riddell> yes
[06:44] <Riddell> the ordering is slightly different too
[06:45] <froud> Ok, so this will change k quick guide and user guide
[06:45] <froud> a big chunk
[06:45] <Riddell> sorry about that
[06:45] <froud> Riddell: what else will be changing form the GUI perspective
[06:45] <froud> no no its ok
[06:45] <Riddell> probably nothing as significant
[06:45] <froud> so long as I know ahead and can somehow plan to work around it
[06:46] <Riddell> might change the system menu (next to k-menu)
[06:46] <froud> Riddell: somehow I need a list of what will happen. even if it changes
[06:46] <froud> at least I can go by that
[06:46] <froud> is it possible?
[06:47] <froud> It will also help for the release notes
[06:47] <Riddell> kinday tricky, a lot isn't planned in much detail
[06:47] <froud> does such a thing exist, even rudementry :-)
[06:48] <Riddell> well the KubuntuRoadmap is the closest
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[06:48] <Riddell> udu.wiki
[06:50] <froud> not found whats the url
[06:50] <Riddell> udu.wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:50] <Riddell> search for Kubuntu
[06:51] <froud> roadmap?
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[06:52] <froud> 35 links, makes it kinda hard to know what is going on
[06:53] <Riddell> KubuntuRoadmap is the main onew
[06:53] <Riddell> KubuntuRoadmap is the main one
[06:53] <froud> dude all I have is this https://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=Kubuntu&titlesearch=Titles
[06:55] <froud> no roadmap there
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[06:56] <Riddell> umm
[06:56] <Riddell> what's happened to the udu wiki?
[06:56] <froud> Ok google got it
[06:56] <froud> is this it http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap
[06:57] <Riddell> ah, don't do https
[06:57] <Riddell> that is confusing
[06:57] <froud> logged in so default is https
[07:02] <froud> Riddell: "We will need our own version control repository, probably Subversion to match KDE" has this happened?
[07:10] <froud> Riddell: OK that's nice, now how do we know what is being done, what not, and what is the progress? ;-)
[07:14] <froud> Riddell: is there an ordered list of the items mentioned in the RoadMap with status alongside?
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[09:21] <Riddell> froud: nope, no svn yet
[09:22] <froud> have you considered a linode
[09:22] <Riddell> what's one of them?
[09:22] <Riddell> oh, virtual server
[09:22] <froud> I hear canonical is negotiating a buld deal
[09:22] <froud> buld
[09:22] <froud> = bulk
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[10:44] <froud> Riddell: ping
[10:44] <froud> [19:04]  <froud> Riddell: OK that's nice, now how do we know what is being done, what not, and what is the progress? ;-)
[10:44] <froud> [19:08]  <froud> Riddell: is there an ordered list of the items mentioned in the RoadMap with status alongside?
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