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Tm_Twhat about them?12:08
Tm_Tbugfixes I think12:08
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monchysoooo, whats everyone up too12:12
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Tm_Tbah, tell me where I can find Kubuntu logo12:14
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Tm_TI must be blind :p12:34
ubuntuok wtf12:36
ubuntui cant get root on livecd 12:36
ubuntuthis is so dumb12:36
Tm_Tno it's not12:36
Tm_Tuse sudo instead12:36
ubuntuit should have you as root by default12:36
ubuntuwhat kind of distro makes you use sudo12:36
ubuntubut thanks12:36
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Tm_Tand you can enable root account if you like12:37
Tm_T(bit hard in livecd though(?))12:37
ubuntui looked on this guide someone had linked me too12:38
ubuntuit said to add rescue to the boot paramaters12:38
ubuntuand it wanted a kernel name first then parameters12:39
ubuntuso i try the kernel name (live) and also (live-expert) and append rescue12:39
ubuntuand it doesn't work12:39
Tm_Tthat livecd is just mean't to be for testing imo12:39
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ubuntuTm_T: umm why would you make a product "for testing" only?12:52
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Tm_Tubuntu: well, livecd is not the main product12:54
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ubuntuwell if its not meant to be used (or used publicly) it shouldn't be released12:54
Tm_Tubuntu: but I'm not any kind of author so don't care my opinions12:54
ubuntuneither am i12:55
ubuntuthanks for the help tho12:55
leoheya everyone. is anyone here running kubuntu on either a Compaq R4000 or HP zv6000 laptop?12:55
nikkiaubuntu, 'for testing' doesn't mean 'not to be used'12:55
nikkiait means 'to test if your hardware is supported before trashing a partition to install and try'12:56
leoor..  is anyone using the fglrx driver for ati cards?12:57
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andreahey all01:18
andreaanybody knows what path do I have to use in shoutcast cfg in order to use my line-in as source?01:18
andrea /dev/dsp doesnt seem to work01:19
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z|banditois there some information about the different kernel choices?01:24
z|banditoi'm installing kubuntu on an older laptop, and it gives kernel choices to install; linux-386, linux-image-386, and linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 ... i am guessing that the first two are 2.4 based kernels, with the last choice being a 2.6 kernel, but what's the difference between linux-386 and linux-image-386 , for example?  anything else?01:25
uniquse linux-image-2.6.10-5-38601:27
uniqkubuntu is all 2.601:27
nikkiaz|bandito, do you know what CPU the laptop has?01:27
nikkiaon an older machine is the time you *really* want to be running the most apt kernel for the CPU01:28
z|banditok6-2 366mhz01:28
uniqhi nikkia. and good night.01:28
nikkianite uniq01:28
z|banditothe guys in #ubuntu suggest that they are all the same ... o.O01:29
nikkiasadly, it looks like 386 is going to be the best choice01:29
z|banditoof the choices on the cd01:29
nikkiaz|bandito: they are01:29
z|banditowhats the difference then.. if there is none.. ? o.O  why the different choices?01:29
nikkialinux-386, linux-image-386 are both virtual packages, they point to the latest -386 kernel image01:29
ShuddertrixNot just that, but the restricted-modules too..01:30
nikkiaz|bandito: i don't know why there is linux-386 and linux-image-386, but the linux-image-386 one allows you to install the latest kernel without knowing its version number01:30
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nikkiaShuddertrix: ahh, so linux-386 is -image- *plus* the modules ?01:30
Shuddertrixnikkia: Pretty sure01:30
nikkiamakes sense01:30
Shuddertrixlinux-386 -> depends upon: linux-image-386,linux-restricted-modules-38601:32
z|banditowhats the 2.6.10-5 entry then?  just a hard link to a kernel image as opposed to a virtual package, which i gather is sort of akin to a symlink only a bit more advanced since you can include those modules and whatnot.. 01:32
nikkiaz|bandito: that's the kernel version01:32
nikkiaversion 2.6.10, sub-release 501:32
z|banditoi see.. 01:33
z|banditolinux-386 it is, then01:34
z|banditodoes kde depend on python?01:35
nikkiakde itself doesn't01:36
aseigono. but kde apps written in python do01:36
z|banditoah, interesting01:36
z|banditoi guess gnome does,.. it was hanging the installation of ubuntu on that box01:36
nikkiait wouldn't surprise me if something in the kubuntu-desktop package depends on python01:37
z|banditopython was i mean, but in trying to remove it from the initial installation i could see that a lot of things wanted it for dependencies01:37
nikkiagnome itself shouldn't, but again, something that ubuntu-desktop depends on might01:37
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nikkiaheh, the list of python dependancies for kubuntu-desktop is HUGE01:38
z|banditowe'll see.. ;)  it errored once already but passed after i redid the initial part01:39
z|banditoit's possible it just overheated and corrupted some package that python is dependant on, which pretty much hosed the rest of the install.. not sure though01:40
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ea065035i want to install KDar in Kubuntu 5.04 and need Libdar ... will I have compatibility problems with SuperKaramba?01:48
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dolnywww.westernquake3.net really cool free conversion - we need more linux players; ] 02:15
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mcquaidman kde is so much better on resources02:17
mcquaidi actually really like gnome but it's kind of a pig on my system02:17
Ayreoni just installed kubuntu, and the screen is huge...... how do i make it smaller like 1076 x 76802:19
Ayreonor w.e it is02:19
abbas_sahbazdpkg -l reconfigure xserver-xfree8602:20
Ayreoncan someone plz help me, this is an uncomfortable screen size :S02:21
abbas_sahbazopen terminal02:21
abbas_sahbazsudo -su dpkg -l reconfigure xserver-xfree8602:22
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_douglasWhat's the kde applet that allows you to change the resolution from the tray?02:22
_douglasI can't seem to find the right package?02:22
Ayreonok i found the terminal, but r u talking to me?02:23
abbas_sahbazsudo -su02:24
Ayreon-su command not found02:25
Ayreonfor -su02:25
abbas_sahbazwrite sudo -su or su02:25
Ayreonok i did it and it works,02:25
abbas_sahbazcopy and paste02:26
Ayreoncopy and paste what02:26
abbas_sahbazcopy and paste there02:27
Shuddertrixyou know what's painful? 1600x1200 or whatever on a monitor that should really only go upto 1280x1024.. my monitor was buzzing while I edited my xorg.conf back.. *shiver*02:27
abbas_sahbazcopy and paste this place02:27
Ayreonusage: sudo -K | -L | -V | -h | -k | -l | -v02:28
Ayreonusage: sudo [-HPSb]  [-p prompt]  [-u username|#uid] 02:28
Ayreon            { -e file [...]  | -i | -s | <command> }02:28
Ayreoncopy and past all of it and put it on here?02:29
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ShuddertrixAyreon: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' without the ' to change your resolution, the prompts are easy.02:30
Tm_Tbah, back to sleep ->02:31
Ayreonok its up, now it asks which desired x server02:32
abbas_sahbazits ok02:33
abbas_sahbazare you root02:33
ShuddertrixWhat video card do you have?02:33
AyreonNVIDIA GeForce FX 520002:34
ShuddertrixYou still have dpkg-reconfigure open, right? Ctrl+C out of it02:34
Ayreoni exited it, i pressed the wrong thing :\02:35
ShuddertrixRun sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings , then run it again..02:35
Ayreonnow it says its locked from another process :\02:35
Shuddertrixsudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && sudo killall dpkg-reconfigure && sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg02:36
Shuddertrixrun that02:36
abbas_sahbazdpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8602:37
Ayreonit asks for password02:38
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abbas_sahbazwrite your root password02:38
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Ayreonits working02:38
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Shuddertrixwhen you get back to the reconfigure, let it autodetect, then choose the nvidia driver..02:39
Ayreondpkg: error processing libpango1.0-common (--configure):02:39
Ayreon subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 102:39
AyreonErrors were encountered while processing:02:39
Ayreon libpango1.0-common02:39
AyreonE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)02:39
Ayreontheres an error02:40
McScruffcan someone help me install kvirc please02:40
Shuddertrixok, just run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg again then.02:40
Shuddertrixchoose the nv driver for now (it's non-accelerated)02:41
othernoobis the wine version in the repos stable and works smoothly?02:41
Ayreonit says is locked by another process02:41
mrmanicMCCPicky: sudo apt-get install kvirc02:41
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mrmanicMcScruff: sudo apt-get install kvirc02:42
McScruffPackage kvirc is not available, but is referred to by another package.02:42
McScruffThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or02:42
McScruffis only available from another source02:42
McScruffE: Package kvirc has no installation candidate02:42
Ayreonit says its locked by another process 02:42
mrmanicMcScruff: have you enabled the universe repository?02:43
McScruffno, as i have just installed02:43
mrmanicMcScruff: do you know how to use vi?02:43
McScruffto a degree, but i prefere the gui way :)02:43
mrmanicsudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list02:43
mrmanicMcScruff: --^02:44
McScruffi know how to do this bit :)02:44
mrmanicat any rate, enable universe, then apt-get update and then retry apt-get install02:45
McScruffis there a way to update to the latest version?02:46
godsmokeMcScruff: latest version of what?02:46
McScruffthis is the old one02:47
godsmokethat's what apt-get install kvirc does ...02:47
mrmanicMcScruff: if it's not in the repository, you may have 2 options.  one is to find a .deb of it, and the other is to compile from source.02:47
godsmokewell, "old" is relative02:47
McScruffi got debs02:47
McScruffbut they wont install02:47
godsmokecould you be more specific?02:48
mrmaniciaw godsmoke 02:48
mrmanicwhat kind of error do they give you when you dpkg -i them?02:48
McScruffit comes i n2 beds, 1 for data one for kvirc, you need 1 to install the other02:48
McScruffi will re write that02:49
godsmokeis there a specific reason that you need this version?02:49
godsmokeor is this just an omnious "I want the newest"02:49
McScruffit comes in 2 deb files, kvirc data and kvirc, to install kvirc you need to install kvirc data, and to instal data you need kvirc02:49
McScruffthis version looks nicer and is better in general02:50
mrmanicMcScruff: the dependencies on your debs are messed up, sounds like.02:50
McScruffthe debs are official ones02:50
McScrufffrom thei site02:50
mrmanicfrom the kvirc site?02:50
godsmokesomehow, I doubt their official debs are messed up02:52
godsmokeit's far more likely you made a mistake02:52
McScruffi probably have02:52
McScruffbut i cant work out how to install them02:52
mrmaniccould it be a difference between debian and kubuntu?02:52
godsmokemrmanic: ... he just said they depended on each other02:53
godsmokewhich has nothing to do with the data in the package02:53
McScruffwhy dont 1 of you try to install02:53
McScruffyou will see the problem02:53
mrmanicI will02:53
godsmokego ahead -- I don't install random packages02:53
McScrufffair enough02:53
McScruffi had a go with symthony live cd today, that is one nice desktop <<changing the conversation completly02:54
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AyreonHi, how much KB is 128 MB02:56
mrmanicMcScruff: kvirc depends on way more than kvirc-data02:56
McScruffso its not kubuntu friendly?02:57
mrmanicMcScruff: I believe that is the case, yes02:58
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_judithhow do I install LiquidWeather?03:00
McScruffmeans i have to stick to xchat :(03:00
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mrmanicMcScruff: you have a wealth of options.  Try konversation on for size, or ksirc, or kopete's IRC capabilities, or ircii, or any of the other text based IRC programs.03:01
mrmanicMcScruff: heck, I've even seen people running mIRC via wine.03:02
McScruffi dont like mirc either :)03:02
McScruffi will try konversation03:02
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McScruffthen ksirc03:02
McScruffafter i get klibido working03:03
mrmanicOk.  I stuck with konversation.  I don't feel it's quite as good as xchat in a lot of ways, but it has a lot of additional kde integration that xchat doesn't have.03:03
godsmokekonversation has a number of features over xchat as well03:03
McScruffwhat is ksirc like?03:03
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mrmanicMcScruff: not sure, it's been years since I tried it.03:05
McScruffbtw thankyou you two for your help03:05
McScruffforgot to say that earlier03:05
AyreonI just installed Kubuntu and my screen size only allows 640 x 480 and 320 x 240.  I'd like to increase it to 1024 x 768 or around those measures. 03:06
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mrmanicMcScruff: glad to help03:07
McScruffis "g++.real: cannot specify -o with -c or -S and multiple compilations" bad?03:07
McScruffnever seen that error before 03:08
mrmanicisn't any error during compilation inherently bad?03:08
McScruffand this is following guildlines :S03:08
McScruffnothing likes installing on ubuntu03:10
mrmanicI disagree.03:11
mrmanicI have been very happy with my system, and had no compilation problems at all with the stuff I've had to compile03:11
mrmanicSo at least SOME stuff likes to install on kubuntu :)03:11
McScruffbeginers bad luck :)03:11
Ayreoncan someone help me increase my screen size please? it only shows 640 x 480 and nothing else...03:13
mrmanicAyreon: I can't really help you.  Mine just happened to work right off the bat.03:13
McScruffi got klibido to work WITHOUT HELP :)03:14
McScruffAyreon : mine worked fine too :(03:14
mrmanicAyreon: it SOUNDS like your graphics card wasn't detected correctly (or maybe at all)03:14
Ayreonhmm I ran sudo 'something' and it did auto detect 'stuff' and it found it, but when i finished it didnt do nothing, maybe i'll try it again03:16
McScruffmrmanic please can i ask you another n00b Q, Can you teach me to compile :)03:16
mrmanicMcScruff: I think generally that's what the INSTALL and README docs are for.03:17
McScruffi tihnk i might be doing it03:17
mrmanicwith most stuff it's as simple as make && sudo make install03:17
McScruffi did configure :S03:17
mrmanicmake install03:17
McScruffim trying kvirc from source03:18
mrmanicgood luck.03:18
McScruffits worth a try03:18
mrmanicthe most important thing is to read the README and INSTALL files.03:18
mrmanicthey should let you know about major gotchas you may run into03:18
McScruffi have a bad habit to jump in with wrong commands :)03:18
McScruffi get the "lets try this command, it worked on something"03:19
mrmanicI can't really teach you to compile, b/c there are a variety of ways to compile stuff.03:19
McScruffso far this one looks ok03:19
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McScruffalso is CVS source code too, but that is always being updated (as you can tell im kind of new to real linux)03:21
mrmanicMcScruff: I think you may be jumping into the deep end a bit03:22
McScruffcvs will be my next learning point03:23
mrmanicMcScruff: CVS is source code that is currently being worked on.  It's generally fairly untested03:23
McScruffthats what i thought03:23
mrmanicwell, CVS is a piece of software that allows version control.03:23
mrmanicit's fairly ubiquitous, but there are others, like svn and bitkeeper, I think.03:24
mrmanicbut generally when people refer to a "CVS version" they mean the bleeding edge untested/not well tested version.03:24
McScruffwith source (lets use this kvirc as an example) could i in theory make kubuntu compatible .deb files (if this install works)03:25
mrmanicMcScruff: theoretically, yes.  You would have to learn how to package, as well.03:25
McScruffsorry for the annoying n00b questions, but i am learning :)03:25
McScruffand waiting for this to compile03:25
mrmanicn00b questions are the only ones I can actually answer :S03:26
mrmanicI'm pretty new to this myself03:26
mrmanicI've had kubuntu installed for maybe a month.03:26
McScruffi have gone round all the main distros (and others) and have come back to this and now im settles i want to learn more03:27
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McScruffmrmanic , kvirc works fine from source :) cheers for all the help im off to bed now :)03:40
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wweaselhey, how can i apt-get kubuntu without my cd03:46
js_apt-get kubuntu-desktop ?03:46
js_apt-get install even03:46
wweaselyeah, it wants the cd03:47
js_comment out the cdrom entry form sources.list and make sure you got hoary in the internet sources03:47
js_then apt-get update and try agani03:47
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wweaseland how can i change the default display manager later?03:55
js_try running update-alternatives03:57
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jasoncoheni have KDE 3.4.1 installed from kubuntu sources. when i try to install kdemultimedia-dev i get errors saying that the 3.4.0 version of akode, kdelibs4-dev, artsbuilder, kdemultimedia-kio-plugins, kmix, kscd, and libkcddb1 are needed but apt-cache show kdemultimedia-dev shows that the 3.4.1 versions are dependencies of kdemultimedia-dev 3.4.1-10ubuntu0hoary104:08
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AyreonHi, is anyone capable of helping me with a screen size issue?  I just installed Kubuntu and under display it only shows 640 x 480.  Is there a way to fix this (last ask)04:21
Ayreon*thinks of going back to xp sadly*04:25
Ayreon*That was suppose to grap ur attention*04:26
Ayreonmaybe its thinking my desktop pc is a laptop?? .......04:27
jasoncohendpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg04:28
jasoncohenat the end it'll let you choose the resolution04:28
Ayreonok thanks04:29
Ayreonok theres one step in there that stumps me.  It asks the ammount of memory to use in KB.  My graphics device has 128 MB of ddr video memory, how much KB is in 128 MB04:33
jasoncohenyou can safely choose the default to most questions04:35
jasoncohenif you don't know the answer leave it blank or use the default04:35
AyreonShould I use kernel framebuffer04:36
Ayreonok i did no04:38
Ayreonthe ones with [*]  is the ones that work?04:39
Ayreonah brb.04:39
Ayreonrestarting it is done04:39
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Ayreonits not working >_< its still at 640 x something04:42
Ayreonmaybe i should just reinstall kubuntu.04:43
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Ayreonor does it always start at 640 x something after install is done?04:43
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jesusif i have to cd into a directory then use sudo to run a game how can i make a shortcut to run it on my desktop?05:19
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jesusif i have to cd into a directory then use sudo to run a game how can i make a shortcut to run it on my desktop?05:24
_unomeright click on desktop > create luncher doesn't work?05:25
Ayreonhi, after installing Kubunto, does it always start you up at 640 x 480 with everyone?05:36
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_unomeAyreon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto05:40
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Ayreonok thanks so much05:42
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tuertennew user, i just installed bittorrent and bittornado using kynaptic but it doesnt show up on the start menu06:02
tuertencan anyone tell me how i can put it there? or even find the executable and use it?06:03
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Borg^QueenHey people06:03
Borg^QueenI'm trying to add deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0/ ./  to apt source list but it keeps failing.06:03
Borg^QueenI'm not on kubuntu on this machine, Debian Sarge06:04
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Borg^Queenis this thing on?06:07
Borg^Queentesting testing 1 2 3 06:07
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`crimsunwhat keeps failing?06:08
Borg^QueenIt says it can't access the url06:08
Borg^Queenhang on06:08
Borg^QueenW: Couldn't stat source package list http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org ./ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org_kde-3.4.0_._Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)06:09
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`crimsunsounds like the deb line is invalid06:14
Borg^Queenlet me check06:16
Borg^Queendoesn't seem to be06:16
Borg^Queenthe above is exactly what's in there06:16
SQFreakBorg^Queen: Have you apt-get update'd?06:17
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Borg^Queenooooh I found it06:19
Borg^Queenthe ./ wasn't sep from the rest of the line.06:20
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Borg^QueenI need to make these fonts bigger06:20
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`crimsunsee what I mean by invalid? ;)06:20
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Borg^Queenif I wanted to add a local dir to the list, what would the like look like?07:11
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juanpaHello. I have Ubuntu and am trying to install kubuntu-desktop, but an error comes up: it seems there is a problem with konversation. It says kubuntu-desktop depends on konversation. What shall I do?07:23
Borg^Queenmake sure you're including konversation during the install07:26
tomchukjuanpa: are you using backports?07:27
juanpaI'm sorry... what are those?07:28
tomchukhave you added the ubuntu backports repository to /etc/apt/sources.list?07:29
juanpatomchuk, my sources.list says:07:30
juanpa## Backports07:30
juanpadeb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiv$deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multivers$07:30
tomchukthe konversation in backports depends on the kde 3.4.1 packages from kubuntu.org, which is why you are probably getting the error07:30
tomchukyou can either remove the backports repo or add the kde-3.4.1 repo07:31
juanpatomchuk, i'll try to add kde 3.4.1. Thanks07:31
juanpaHow should I add that repository?07:33
tomchukand http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice-14.php if you want the new koffice07:34
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juanpatomchuk, thanks a lot. It's already downloading07:42
unomewould someone tell me how bookmarks work in Konsole, can you bookmark a command or what? If I have a session with tail -f /var/log/message for instance, can I bookmark that?07:45
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ram_einsteinhi all! i just installed kubuntu and I want to know how to add new users08:07
godsmokeram_einstein: you can use "adduser" or the kubuntu user management system08:07
ram_einsteinone sec godsmoke 08:08
ram_einsteinwhere is the kubuntu user management system?08:08
ram_einsteinI'd prefer that over adduser08:09
godsmoke... did you check the kde configuration thing?08:09
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godsmokewhatever it's called08:09
godsmoke"Control Center" or something to that effect08:09
ram_einsteinI found it08:09
godsmokenot to mention, this is clearly outlined in the KDE manual08:09
ram_einsteinbut I need the root password08:09
ram_einsteinI only sudo08:09
ram_einsteinwhat's the defaulr root password godsmoke ?08:10
godsmokeplease read the kubuntu faq08:10
ram_einsteinno, I didn't read the manual, where can I dinf it?08:10
godsmokeI'm sorry, I'm not going to do this08:10
unomegodsmoke: do you use Konsole's bookmarks?08:11
godsmokeunome: I don't use Konsole08:11
ram_einsteinxterm here08:12
unomeaterm doesn't support tabs, does it?08:12
godsmokedon't use them -- wouldn't know08:12
ram_einsteinneither does xterm08:13
godsmokeI don't use KDE on my main workstations08:13
godsmokeso, things like Konsole aren't there08:13
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ram_einsteinthe faq is on the website08:13
godsmokewow, you figured that out on your own, huh?08:14
ram_einsteinI JUST installed it godsmoke 08:14
ram_einsteinI use Fedora08:14
godsmokethat has absolutely nothing to do with anything08:14
ram_einsteinjust wanted to try this out08:14
godsmokeespecially where faqs are typically located08:15
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ram_einsteingot it at KUDOS08:21
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mrmanicgodsmoke: you get tired of answering the same questions again and again too?08:59
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ram_einsteinERROR: Kuser crashes. Steps: Open Kuser, double-click on your user name to bring up details and click OK09:02
ram_einsteinwhat could be wrong?09:02
ram_einsteinit's a major problem: I can't add new users!09:04
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thoreauputicram_einstein: you can add new users with the adduser command09:05
ram_einsteinyeah, true09:05
thoreauputicram_einstein: just add them to all relevant groups as well09:05
ram_einsteinbut I can't figure out the names of the gruops09:05
thoreauputicram_einstein: as your user, type "groups" or "id'09:05
ram_einsteinI need the new user to have basic access to sound, cdrom09:06
thoreauputicthat will show what groups you are in09:06
thoreauputicdon't add new users to "admin"09:06
ram_einsteinah thanks!09:06
ram_einsteinwhy not?09:06
thoreauputicunless you want them to have sudo powers09:06
ram_einsteinhmm okay09:06
thoreauputicusers in admin have the same sudo rights as the default user09:07
ram_einsteinbut can you tell me why my kuser keeps crashing?09:07
thoreauputicnope,, sorry09:07
thoreauputicI use fluxbox *grin*09:07
ram_einsteinactually, a lot of programs crash09:07
ram_einsteinkde is very very buggy09:07
ram_einsteinI just wanted to try it out09:07
ram_einsteinI like gnome, on fc4 and ubuntu09:08
thoreauputichmm - I haven't had too many problems with KDE apps here09:08
ram_einsteinway too many here09:08
thoreauputicI mostly use gtk/gnome apps though09:08
ram_einsteinonce a program crashes, it never opens again09:08
ram_einsteinas if it remembered itself crashing09:08
thoreauputicsometimes it's an artsd issue in KDE09:09
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thoreauputicI set the arts daemon to time out after 5 seconds09:09
thoreauputicsound daemons are a nuisance09:09
thoreauputicand I really don't need more than one sound at once, so I use dmix and disable esd, and let artsd time out *real fast*09:11
ram_einsteinadm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin09:11
mrmanicram_einstein: the kuser in kde 3.4.0 in kubuntu was crashy.09:11
mrmanicram_einstein: please note the topic re: kde 3.4.1.  it fixes the problem nicely, and you can add users.09:11
ram_einsteinadduser --home /home/test --shell /bin/bash --uid 1200 --ingroup adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin test09:12
ram_einsteinone sec mrmanic 09:12
ram_einsteinhow do I update my kde? I have no apt repos09:12
ram_einsteinthoreauputic: is that line fine?09:12
thoreauputicram_einstein: I don't know - i don't do it that way :) I just do it one step at a time09:13
thoreauputicI only have two users anyway ;)09:13
ram_einsteinthoreauputic: what do you suggest?09:13
mrmanicram_einstein: read the link in the topic: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php09:13
ram_einsteinah okay mrmanic 09:14
thoreauputicram_einstein: well, I assume that's a test - see if it does what you want it to do09:14
thoreauputicif not, deluser will reverse it09:14
thoreauputicwhy uid 1200 though?09:15
thoreauputicand where is the user's name?09:15
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ram_einsteinthoreauputic: sorry, testing the repos09:16
ram_einsteinand where is the password?09:17
ram_einsteinI really don't understand that09:17
ram_einsteinmy uid is 110009:17
thoreauputicsudo passwd username09:17
ram_einsteinhence 1200 for my new user09:17
ram_einsteinforget it! I'll update kde instead09:18
ram_einsteinah got the repos09:19
ram_einsteinnow what do I update?09:19
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ram_einsteini'm used to yum09:19
mrmanicapt-get update09:19
mrmanicapt-get dist-upgrade09:19
mrmanicthat should do it09:19
mrmanicsudo both of those, of course09:20
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ram_einsteinapt-get update updates everything09:20
ram_einsteinthat's okay I guess09:20
ram_einsteinyum update09:20
mrmanicwell, apt-get update updates the package db09:21
ram_einsteinit fetched and read the package list but did nothing else!09:21
mrmanicso you know what you have available09:21
mrmanicthen you do apt-get dist-upgrade09:21
thoreauputicram_einstein: that's what update does09:21
ram_einsteinah okay09:21
ram_einstein11 mb09:22
ram_einsteinquite small09:22
ram_einsteinyum update on the contrary, updates db and updates distro09:22
ram_einsteinis kubuntu very buggy?09:23
mrmanicnot VERY buggy, no.09:23
ram_einsteinkuser is, agreed, and there's a fix09:23
mrmanicthose 11 MB of updates are mostly bugfixes.09:23
ram_einsteinI see09:23
mrmanicthat's actually false09:23
mrmanicmost of it is probably kde updates09:23
mrmanicupdating from 3.4.0 to 3.4.109:24
ram_einsteinwhy is gnome so much superior in that aspect then?09:24
ram_einsteinyep, they're kde updates09:24
thoreauputicram_einstein: I don't think it is, really 09:24
mrmaniciaw thoreauputic 09:24
ram_einsteinthoreauputic: I'm a gnome user09:24
ram_einsteinand I've used kde too09:24
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mrmanicram_einstein: I'm a kde user.  I don't have problems with kde, and I find all kinds of issues with gnome.09:24
ram_einsteinkde looks really nice09:24
mrmanicor have :\09:24
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ram_einsteinfluxbox looks nice?09:25
ram_einsteinit's lightweight right?09:25
thoreauputicoh yeah09:25
thoreauputicit's lightweight :)09:25
ram_einsteinlooking at some screenshots, wait09:26
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thoreauputicunfortunately the hoary package for fluxbox has an issue: I compiled mine with --disable-xmb to fix it09:27
ram_einsteinlooks hellish, sorry to say09:27
ram_einsteindamn it09:27
thoreauputicbut I guess it won't be fixed until Breezy09:27
ram_einsteinno shortcuts, menubar, nothing09:28
nikkiaram_einstein: lightweight and 'looks good' rarely go hand in hand :)09:28
ram_einsteinjust a nice wallpaper09:28
mrmanicram_einstein: if you like gnome, go back to gnome.09:28
thoreauputicram_einstein: it can look any way you want it to, really09:28
ram_einsteinwhat's the advantage of lightweight?09:28
mrmanicdoesn't use as much memory and processor?09:28
ram_einsteinI use gnome anyway09:28
thoreauputicheh - depends how you like to work09:28
ram_einsteinon ubuntu and fedora09:28
nikkiathe biggest memory and CPU hog of KDE is all the pixmaps09:29
ram_einsteinI just tried kubuntu09:29
ram_einsteinyou have to be open-minded09:29
ram_einsteindoesn't affect the performance here09:29
thoreauputicit's usually faster to type a command than dig around for a button to click...09:29
ram_einsteinit is09:29
ram_einsteinI'd like that too09:30
thoreauputicso fluxbox is fine...09:30
ram_einsteinfluxbox can do that?09:30
godsmokecan do what?09:30
godsmokemy god09:30
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ram_einsteinjust type the command09:30
thoreauputicany linux can09:30
ram_einsteinand the program comes up09:30
mrmanicram_einstein: you can do that in anything.09:30
godsmokewelcome to the new milenium09:30
thoreauputicit isn't a function of wm09:30
ram_einsteina terminal winfow09:30
ram_einsteini meam without a terminal window09:31
ram_einsteinlike one built-into the dekstop09:31
godsmokeyou just get a launch app09:31
godsmokethey sit in the corner, or whatever you want09:31
ram_einsteinthat qould be ool09:31
thoreauputicwhat's your problem with terminal windows?09:31
godsmokethis is a retarded conversation09:31
ram_einsteinstop it then09:31
thoreauputicfbrun is a dialog to launch commands09:31
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ram_einsteinlets discuss something else09:32
thoreauputicyou can do that in gnome or KDE too09:32
godsmokethere are lunch utilities that are wm-independent09:32
godsmokethis entire discussion is moot09:32
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ram_einsteinlunch it is then09:33
ram_einsteinsee you later09:33
ram_einsteinwait! I have a question09:33
nikkiaif there is any 'wm' that i'd *like* to run, it'd be 'E', because of its amiga-like draggable screens, but the whole bloated overhead of E isn't worth it :/09:33
ram_einsteinI tried to make a /home common to fedora and kubuntu09:33
godsmokeyou wish to torture me further?09:33
ram_einsteinno godsmoke 09:33
ram_einsteinbut I failed thought it was an ext3 sans lvm09:34
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ram_einsteinkubuntu asked me to update my e2fsck or something09:34
ram_einsteinit didn't mount /home and kde didn't start at all09:34
godsmokewell, if you don't have a home directory, kde isn't likely to start under that user09:35
godsmokesince it has no place to do anything09:35
ram_einsteinso what went wrong?09:35
godsmokeI can't tell you from that extremely brief overview09:36
ram_einsteinwhy couldn't i mount a simple ext3 disk?09:36
ram_einsteinanything obviously wrong?09:36
godsmokeI don't know why you couldn't09:36
ram_einsteinlike fedora using it?09:36
godsmokeI mount my home directory on all of my systems09:36
godsmokethat's what media servers are good for09:36
ram_einsteinthat's fine09:36
godsmokecentralized documents09:36
ram_einsteinin a seperate /mnt09:36
godsmokeI can't tell you why your particular setup didn't work09:36
ram_einsteinI mean total sharing, all settings, all files09:37
godsmokeHOME DIRECTORY09:37
godsmokeso yes09:37
godsmokeany file or config stored in the home directory, is shared09:37
godsmokewhich is anything user-specific09:37
godsmokehence the concept of a home directory09:37
ram_einsteinno dman it! you can also mount it now with a mount /dev/hda1 ort whatever09:37
ram_einsteinand settings will just be files09:38
godsmokeyou're really not making sense09:38
godsmokeconfigs are just file09:38
ram_einsteinokay, I'll go over it once again09:38
ram_einsteinI have fc409:38
ram_einstein'/booot is mounted on /dev/hda109:38
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ram_einstein'/home on /dev/hda209:39
ram_einsteinso whatever I do on fc4 affects /dev/hda209:39
godsmokewell, anything that is user-specific, yes09:39
ram_einsteinlike creating a bookmark in firefox will be stored there09:39
ram_einsteinforget users for now09:40
ram_einsteinone user09:40
godsmokeyou're obviously impaired09:40
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ram_einsteinnow, when you /boot (/dev/hda3) ubuntu, you can "read" /dev/hda209:41
godsmokethoreauputic: he'd have to be speaking proper english for that to be a real question09:41
godsmokeok -- "read" -- as opposed to?09:41
ram_einsteinyou can read all you documents stored on /home/user09:41
godsmokeyes -- please speed up09:42
godsmokeI'm starting to fall asleep09:42
ram_einsteinread as opposed to "use" it as a /home by ubuntu where, anything I do on ubuntu affects the disk09:42
godsmokewell, obviously, you need to READ on how linux works09:42
ram_einsteinmounting doesn't affect the disk right?09:42
godsmokeyou can't just randomly mount a directory and expect it to be used as your users home directory09:42
ram_einsteinthe settings will be there09:42
godsmokeyou need to actually know what you're doing09:42
ram_einsteinexactly godsmoke 09:42
godsmokeso please, google this09:42
ram_einsteindisk driud can let an ubuntu user's /home directory be on any disk09:43
godsmokeit's very obvious why this isn't working -- and it's because you didn't mount the partition as your /home directory in ubuntu09:43
ram_einsteinI did!09:43
ram_einsteinusing that partiton manager in the installation09:44
godsmokeforget partition managers09:44
godsmokethey have nothing to do with this09:44
ram_einsteinit's gonna be a long long day09:44
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godsmokenot mine09:45
godsmokemine's ending09:45
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ram_einsteinsame here09:45
thoreauputicgodsmoke: you're from New york, right?09:45
godsmokethoreauputic: yes09:46
thoreauputicI guessed...09:46
godsmokethoreauputic: ... ok09:46
ram_einsteinnot a bad guess at all09:46
godsmokeyou guessed from the "nyc" in my hostname?09:46
thoreauputicgodsmoke: the attitude is a giveaway ;)09:46
ram_einsteinconsidering the way he speaks09:46
thoreauputicgodsmoke: no, from your demeanor :)09:46
godsmokeno, the attitude is evident of someone who doesn't bother with people who can't articulate in english09:46
ram_einsteinI see. So I don't understand English now, is it?09:47
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godsmokethoreauputic: very passive agressive of you :)09:47
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ram_einsteinwatch you tongue09:48
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Ghete1I have an ethical question. I just crashed my car and I have had to cancel a semester of college b/c i havent the means to get there or the money to fix my car. someone close to me has offered me a pretty good amount of money to set up a kolab server and a few clients. i have always recieved help free of charge here at the ubuntu and kubuntu channels. should i take this job?09:48
ram_einsteinyou're lucky I'm such a nice guy who doesn't take insults to heart09:48
thoreauputicGhete1: why not?09:49
mrmanicGhete1: sure.09:49
Ghete1but i have gotten linux for free09:49
Ghete1and learned everything i know now b/c of what you guys have taught me09:49
ram_einsteinit always was and always will be09:50
thoreauputicGhete1: that doesn't matter - free as in freedom, man :)09:50
ram_einsteinhelp is free too thanks to people like us09:50
Ghete1so shouldnt my help be free?09:50
ram_einsteinummm.. I'm not sure it includes our american friend09:50
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thoreauputicGhete1: you'll give back to the community anyway, and you will help people too09:50
ram_einsteinGhete1: what do you pay consultants for? :)09:51
Ghete1haha i guess so09:51
thoreauputicGhete1: open source doesn't mean "no pay" - RMS made his way early on selling emacs :)09:51
godsmokeram_einstein: you don't know the first thing about linux09:51
ram_einsteinthank you godsmoke 09:51
ram_einsteinfor your very pleasant comment09:52
mrmanicGhete1: being paid for your expertise isn't bad.09:52
thoreauputicgodsmoke: who cares? Are you Brian Kernighan or someone? Do you have 30 years experience? Everyone starts somewhere09:52
Ghete1ok, i got the ok/cool from people in ubuntu and kubuntu channels... im going for it!09:52
thoreauputicGhete1: best of luck !09:53
godsmokethoreauputic: absolutely, and people who are starting out, and don't know anything don't advertise themselves as part of a free support offering09:53
mrmanicthoreauputic: I think the issue was less the knowledge or lack of knowledge, and more the general attitude and lack of any apparent attempt to figure it out before asking.09:53
godsmokeI'll leave mrmanic to finish this09:54
thoreauputicmrmanic: I dislike it when people make rude remarks, regardless of the motive. But whatever...09:54
mrmanicthoreauputic: I agree with you.  You might have noticed that I sort of stepped away for a while.09:55
mrmanicthoreauputic: I don't really know how to explain to someone that they need to do it for themselves, that all the resources are out there, they just have to go find them.09:56
mrmanicthoreauputic: people just don't seem to like that answer ;)09:56
thoreauputicmrmanic: that's true, indeed09:56
thoreauputicmrmanic: and after a while i get fatigued with answering the same questions over and over..09:57
mrmanicyeah, exactly09:57
thoreauputicbut I guess that's what it's about, in a channel like this or #ubuntu09:57
mrmanicit's even more irritating when I have to answer the same questions multiple times FOR THE SAME PERSON09:57
nikkiamrmanic: i dunno, the 'where's my root password' gets pretty annoying09:58
thoreauputicmrmanic: ah, yes, at that point I lose my cool09:58
mrmanicthoreauputic: that's why I left :)09:58
thoreauputicnikkia: especially since the installer explains it09:58
Ghete1well why dont we have one of those !rootpassword thingies?09:58
nikkiathoreauputic: to be fair, even I skipped past that without really reading it09:58
mrmanicthoreauputic: and why I didn't have anything particularly nice to say to ram_einstein.09:59
nikkiathoreauputic: the installer should maybe ask the user to type 'yes, i understand, i don't have a root password' to skip past that screen :P09:59
thoreauputicmrmanic: yeah, I came in late so i don't know the full story :)09:59
mrmanicnikkia: that's not "user friendly"09:59
thoreauputicnikkia: a bit Windowsish, that - but I agree with the sentiment :)09:59
nikkiathoreauputic: no, windows-ish would be requiring the press of some randomly chosen F key :)10:00
nikkiathe NT/2k/XP partitioner on the install disk annoys me no end with that10:01
thoreauputicnikkia: hahah - "Press any key to continue" "where's the 'any' key??"10:01
mrmanicI like win2k3.  10:01
mrmanicI wish it were linux, though :S10:01
Ghete1ok guys10:02
Ghete1i need sleep10:02
Ghete1talk to you all later10:02
mrmanicGhete1: good luck on your project10:02
Ghete1when done with it i will post a nice howto10:03
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mrmanicoh I can't wait10:03
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mrmanicI need to set that stuff up for my company :)10:03
torzhmm any recommendation for a decent divx codec?10:03
nikkiatorz, xvid :)10:04
torzI got libdivx or whatever via apt and it sucks10:04
torznikkia: sure :~) do you know the name of the package?10:04
torzso I can get it with apt10:04
torzexcellent :~)10:04
nikkiai find the ffmpeg (libavcodec) stuff more tolerant of dodgily encoded avis tho10:05
torztorum@titan:~$ sudo apt-get install xvidcore10:05
torzReading package lists... Done10:05
torzBuilding dependency tree... Done10:05
torzE: Couldn't find package xvidcore10:05
nikkiatorz, its called 'libxvidcore' or something10:05
nikkiause aptitude/synaptic/etc :)10:06
mrmanictry apt-cache search xvid10:06
torzfound it10:06
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torzand apparently I've already got it :p10:06
nikkiaargh, expletives!!!10:07
nikkiamy customer released a new version of their SDK, which means they probably expect me to make all the changes they've requested and release today :(10:08
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torzhey where does kaffeine look for its codecs? /usr/local/lib ??10:10
torzor does it look at multiple places10:10
nikkiatorz, doesn't it just use whatever xine sees ?10:10
torzheh and what does xine see...10:11
torzoh so kaffeine is just a pretty interface for xine?10:11
thoreauputictorz: yup10:11
nikkiaxine does a good enough job, so why not?10:12
thoreauputictorz: it looks in /usr/lib/win32 for the windows codecs, elsewhere for others (I'd have to look)10:13
thoreauputicnikkia: xine does an excellent job, yeah10:13
torzyep, apparently so :~)10:13
nikkiathoreauputic: i'd guess that it just uses whatever the search path for dlopen is :)10:14
thoreauputicxfmedia uses xine as a back end too10:14
nikkia(which is, presumably), LD_LIBRARY_PATH + ld.so.conf's paths10:14
thoreauputicnikkia: ah, I learnt something - thanks :)10:14
nikkiathat was a *really* bad move10:16
nikkiai just tried to search a 100MB imap directory in thunderbird10:16
Skaagso what I have a 1gb imap directory10:18
Skaagworks fine10:18
nikkiaskaag, over a 8KB/s VPN ?10:18
nikkiaand doing an 'entire message' search?10:19
nikkiathunderbird has to pull every message, and search locally10:19
Skaagno. over 1.5mbps10:19
Skaagah, it doesn't use server side?10:19
nikkiaonly for subject/sender10:19
SkaagI see.10:19
nikkiai don't think imap defines an 'entire message' search protocol10:19
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Edulixhi !10:35
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Edulixhey this is funny !10:49
Tm_Tyes it is10:49
Edulixwhy is konversation using plastik theme instead of lipstick ? I'm puzzled :P10:50
Edulixand only seems to happen with konversation10:50
shogoukiit uses lipstick here10:53
Edulixuhm, strange10:53
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Tm_Tok, I'll be gone for a week or 4 ->11:14
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nikkiaurgh, i hate writing 'release estimate' emails11:21
nikkiai can never find a suitable way of saying 'well, it'll take me about 20 minutes, but i want some time to play nethack, so lets say 3 weeks'11:21
qbiti have lmsensors and ksensors installed and running but am looking for a way to control the fan speed(s)   <= suggestions welcome11:24
nikkiaqbit, control the fan speed on what?11:27
nikkiathe only 'fan speed control' i know about, is the one for toshiba laptops11:27
qbita VIA KT0400A chipset Abit KD7A mobo - the cpu and North bridge fans11:28
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qbitI've noticed that I can bump them down in the BIOS and FreeBSD doesn't touch this but in the Linux install the fans run full blast11:29
nikkiawhat you probably want, is a acpi fan speed control... but i don't know of any, i think if the fans are software controllable then they present a control under /proc/acpi/fan  but i can't confirm that, or how it works, as none of my systems have software controllable fans11:29
Edulixfor dell you have i8k11:30
nikkiaits *probably* just a '1 or 0' style control for on/off11:30
qbitI am seeing a /proc/acpi/fan/FAN/state, but this is probably just reading the speeds11:33
Edulixuhm who know11:34
qbitI know the hardware support is there because it works in the Abit utility under Windows11:34
Edulixuhm who knows11:34
Edulixtry to sudo echo 1 >  /proc/acpi/fan/FAN/state11:35
qbitsudo gave me permission denied and as root it did nothing11:37
qbiti'll keep googling   :-)11:38
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tommorrisCan someone please come and seed kubuntu-5.04-dvd-powerpc.iso? We're all still stuck on 72.1%11:52
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juanHi, wirwzd, I am new to this, could you give me a hand?12:03
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nikkiajuan, what do you need a hand with?12:09
juanHi, nikkia. Wel, this is the first time I enter IRC and I feel a bit lost12:12
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nikkiajuan, www.irchelp.org has some good info on general irc topics...12:13
nikkiabut personally, i'd just suggest relaxing, and chatting, its all pretty easy to pick up :)12:14
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nikkiamorning cloud12:15
juannikkia: tanks for your suggestion, I'm beginning to feel more confident. It seems easy enough12:15
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cloudgood morning to you 12:26
cloudand to all12:26
torzgood evening :p12:27
rodolfohi, how do I disable the synchronisation of the clock during boot?12:27
cloudhere is 12.2712:27
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cloudapt installs an older version of automake..12:27
cloudi need the latest to compile kdm-theme manager12:27
nikkiacloud, what's the latest version? i see 1.9 in the repository12:30
nikkiawell, 1.9.4-1 to be exact12:30
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nikkia'automake' itself seems to be a virtual package pointing to 1.412:30
nikkiacloud, if 1.9.4-1 is 'good enough' try installing 'automake1.9'12:30
torznikkia: you know much about mplayer12:33
nikkiatorz, a bit12:33
torzI want to specify mplayer to use xvid you told me about earlier, well I know that all I need to do is specify the codec with the -vc flag but mplayer seems to not see it :~(12:35
torz"mplayer -vc help" shows the available codecs12:36
nikkiahmmm, works here12:36
nikkiawhat error does mplayer report when you do -vc xvid ?12:36
nikkiaor does it just fall back to ffmpeg ?12:37
torzForced video codec: xvid12:38
torzCannot find codec matching selected -vo and video format 0x30355844.12:38
torzRead DOCS/HTML/en/codecs.html!12:38
nikkiathat doesn't seem to be a divx/xvid file12:39
nikkiaoh, its divx512:39
torzmmm? how can you tell???12:40
nikkia(the video format is the fourcc code, which is four characters of ascii (in this case, backwards) '05XD'12:40
nikkiaso, the fourcc is DX50 which is the fourcc for a divx5 encoded video12:40
nikkiathere might be a way to force mplayer to ignore the fourcc, or at least, treat it as xvid, but i can't remember12:41
torzwait a minute, you're talking about the file you just played on your computer12:41
nikkiadivx5 files *should* play with the xvid file12:41
nikkiatorz, no, the file you tried to play12:41
nikkia<torz> Cannot find codec matching selected -vo and video format 0x30355844.12:42
nikkia0x30355844 is 0 5 X D in ascii12:42
torzI see12:42
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torzmmm it seems mplayer cant see divx512:43
torzit can see divx412:43
torztorum@titan:~/temp$ mplayer -vc help | grep divx12:44
nikkiatorz, ok, try this12:44
torzffdivx      ffmpeg    working   FFmpeg DivX ;-) (MS MPEG-4 v3)  [msmpeg4] 12:44
torzffodivx     ffmpeg    working   FFmpeg MPEG-4  [mpeg4] 12:44
torzodivx       odivx     working   OpenDivX API (ODIVX,DIVX4,DIVX5,XVID)  [libdivxdecore.so] 12:44
torzdivx4       divx4     working   DivX4Linux API (DIVX4,DIVX5,XVID)  [libdivxdecore.so] 12:44
torzdivx4vfw    vfw       problems  DivX4Windows-VFW  [divx.dll] 12:44
torzdivxds      dshow     working   DivX ;-) (MS MPEG-4 v3)  [divx_c32.ax] 12:44
torzdivx        vfw       working   DivX ;-) (MS MPEG-4 v3)  [divxc32.dll] 12:44
Skaaganyone heard of bluetooth audio working under linux?12:44
nikkiamplayer -vc xvid -ffourcc xvid  filename12:44
nikkiaskaag, yes, by accident12:44
nikkiaskaag, i once accidently paired my phone to my PC as a headset, and got audio thru the PC when i received a call12:44
torzUnknown option on the command line: ffourcc :p12:45
nikkiatorz, hmmm12:45
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nikkiaoh, its mencoder only, grr12:45
Skaagnikkia: you think it's possible to reproduce in a more stable manner? :-)12:45
nikkiaskaag, sure, just pair it as a headset :)12:45
Skaagso that I will be able to have VOIP?12:45
torzbut you see, mplayer doesnt even see xvid12:45
SkaagI do have a BT headset12:45
torzoh hang on12:46
torzit does.12:46
torztorum@titan:~/temp$ mplayer -vc help | grep xvid12:46
torzxvid        xvid      working   XviD (MPEG-4)  [libxvidcore.a] 12:46
torzmy bad :p12:46
nikkiatorz, i know HOW to fix it, but i don't want to suggest the method i know12:46
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nikkiatorz, because it involves editing files and is a permanent change12:46
torznikkia: fair enough.12:46
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cloudnikkia: i need at least the 1.6...apt installed the 1.4...why?12:47
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cloudi',m using universe12:47
nikkiacloud, because 1.4 is the automake gnome relies on12:47
nikkiacloud, i imagine its a left-over from ubuntu12:47
torznikkia: I think my problem will go away if I installed divx5 (which i'm sure it already has)...12:47
cloud'left-over' ????12:47
nikkiacloud, as in, 'automake' -> 'automake1.4' is something the ubuntu people did, that has been retained for no real reason in kubuntu12:48
nikkiaas i said, apt-get install automake1.9   should work12:48
nikkiatorz, i haven't given up on your problem, still looking for a solution...12:49
cloudnikkia: it works.12:49
torznikkia: well I'm trying to prove to myself that this machine already has divx512:50
nikkiatorz, ffmpeg is a better choice for dx50 files, imo12:50
nikkiatorz, try playing it with -vc ffodivx12:51
cloud*** YOU'RE USING automake (GNU automake) 1.4-p6.12:51
cloud*** KDE requires automake 1.612:51
cloudnikkia: no way...12:52
cloudand i installed the 1.9 as you said12:52
nikkiacloud, try putting this before the command:  'AUTOMAKE=automake1.9'12:52
edulixhi !12:52
cloudwhich command?12:52
nikkiaie, if you're doing ./configure, you'd do  AUTOMAKE=automake1.9 ./configure12:52
edulixI want to remove from konqueror the google search bar, how to do that ?12:53
cloudah ok..i'm doing make -f Makefile.cvs12:53
nikkiacloud, ok, so:   AUTOMAKE=automake1.9  make -f Makefile.cvs12:53
torznikkia: /usr/lib/libdivxdecore.so.5.0.112:53
cloudok thx12:53
torznikkia: ill try your solution now12:53
nikkiakde *might* need 1.6 exactly tho12:53
nikkiain which case, you'll want 'automake1.6' installed :)12:53
nikkiacloud, this is the problem with automake, many packages depend on an exact version, so eventually you end up with every version installed :/12:54
nikkia(and you end up having to guess which is the right one, sometimes)12:54
cloudnikkia: in italian your name means "a small hole or spot where you can put some little objects"12:56
cloudhowever automake before the command didn't have effect.12:57
cloud:-( sob.12:57
nikkiacloud, my 'name' is just nikki with 'a' for my surname because nikki was already taken :P12:57
nikkiacloud, and i bet 'nikki' doesn't mean a small hole in italian12:57
cloudno man12:57
cloudit means "nikki"12:58
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cloudnikki: i fixed the problem... i removed automake 1.4 and specified 1.9 as you said...now it works.01:00
cloudgoing to lunch..see ya later01:00
nikkiai always find it kind of ironic that automake was supposed to remove a lot of 'weird dependancy issues when building stuff', yet has become its own dependancy nightmare01:00
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ztonzyI accidently removed the Menulist in Konversation, how to bring it back ?02:14
uniqi think.02:14
ztonzywow, uniq thanks02:15
ztonzyKonversation feels quite uniqe compared to x-chat02:17
uniqyes, konversation is nice.02:19
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nikkiaand i still say i prefer kvirc :P02:22
nikkiaoddly, hardly any distros seem to include recent kvircs in their repositories tho02:22
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grandHello, I urgently need help. Please check this topic http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4568602:32
grandand please, dont ban me for 'spamming'02:32
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ea065035trying to set up dar/kdar and not getting there yet ... I think I have the compilers but the system tells me it cannot compile ...02:45
ea065035any ideas?02:45
uniqinstall 'build-essential'02:45
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ea065035The following packages have unmet dependencies:02:47
ea065035  build-essential: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or02:47
ea065035                            libc-dev02:47
ea065035                   Depends: g++ (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed02:47
ea065035E: Broken packages02:47
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ea065035uniq: it tells me that "some packages could not be installed ... bla bla bla ... " and then the lines ve just pasted above :/02:47
uniq'apt-get -f install'02:48
uniq'apt-get update'02:48
uniq'apt-get install build-essentil'02:48
ea065035uniq: it still gives me the same message :'( ... have I messed it up real good? :-/02:49
uniqdid you change your /etc/apt/sources.list ? 02:50
uniq?? sources.list02:50
kinfo[sources.list]  example /etc/apt/sources.list with all official repositories plus KDE 3.4.1 and Koffice 1.4 from kubuntu.org can be found at: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/30380202:50
ea065035i've just 'vi' into "sources.list" and it doesn't ring a bell = I have not done anything to it, as far as I know ...02:51
ea065035should I copy that file from 'kubuntu.pastebin" and check what happens?02:52
ea065035will it have consequences to other software that I may have installed already?02:52
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ea065035uniq: i've just checked the webpage you've given me ... it does not look the same, some lines are similar, but some are missing ... I'm gonna give it a try ... i hope this doesn't blow on my face :D02:55
ea065035uniq: I changed the file in /etc/apt/ and repeat the line commands you told me above but still getting the same message ... anywayzzzz i'll try to find some info in a forum .. .thanx for your time and help :)03:01
uniqhmm.. does apt-get -f install give you an error? 03:02
ea065035nope ... it gives me this03:02
ea065035Reading package lists... Done03:02
ea065035Building dependency tree... Done03:02
ea0650350 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 123 not upgraded03:02
uniqoh. try 'apt-get -u dist-upgrade'03:02
ea065035i think i should tell that in the meanwhile i have tried running 'sudo apt-get install dar' and it has installed dar and libdar2 as new packages ... I thought i had it installed already ... :/ maybe it was a faulty installation ...03:04
ea065035should I try that command anyway?03:04
ea065035i'm running it ... it's going to upgrade 123 and install 12 new packages ...03:06
ea065035it's going to take about 10min :/ ...03:07
ea065035in the meanwhile ... could I ask you something about 'default locale'? i thing i have messed up a bit more than I thought :/03:08
ea065035basically ... i'm working on a spanish laptop in the UK ... and i get a 'perl: warning:' message = 'Setting locale failed' ... 'Please check that your locale settings ... are supported and installed on your system' ... and it wants to use GB settings ... where could I learn about this?03:10
uniq'dpkg-reconfigure locales'03:13
uniqselect the ones you want.03:13
ea065035thanks very much uniq i'll do that when the installation is finished ... just in case ... you've saved me from another no-sleep night :-D ...03:15
uniqhope it works :)03:15
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sdogiwhat do i need to apt-get to get normal xmms fonts04:33
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sdogii can't find the page that had this info04:33
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gnutonHi all! =)04:53
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edulixhi !05:07
edulixhey, anyone could tell me howto successfully see the qt4 movie in quicktime 7 preview format ? kaffeine crashes to me05:07
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thopkinsI have having problems with setting sound up using a SB Live card, does anyone have any ideas?05:41
ubuntuthopkins: what kinda problems?05:42
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skullbourneforgive thopkins, he is at work and a bit of a slow typer ;)05:43
andkorek :)05:44
andkorei am too05:44
skullbourneI was helping him earlier, but I was reading chat transcripts to help, so I told him to just pop here and ask for direct support05:44
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thopkinsalsamixer : function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory05:46
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kalenedraelwow, this really keeps me awak06:07
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mrmanichey monchy 06:35
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ea065035anyone could help me with a "little" problem with DAR?06:38
Pointwoodanyone with access to the kubuntu.org site around?06:39
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mikeeePointwood: i can get on06:58
Pointwoodmikeee: the iso download link on the frontpage is wrong06:59
mikeeeoh, i thought you meant just being able to access it :)06:59
Pointwoodnope :)07:00
mikeeeseems to be working for me though . . .07:00
Pointwoodthe download link?07:00
mikeeewere you looking to download or just being helpful?07:01
PointwoodI get: Forbidden07:01
PointwoodYou don't have permission to access /kubuntu/hoary/ on this server.07:01
PointwoodAdditionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.07:01
mikeeethat's not found07:01
PointwoodI am downloading 07:02
mikeeeI just got on through the main page07:02
mikeeebut now it's forbidden07:02
mikeeeprobably some server thing07:02
Pointwoodguessed a working link :)07:02
mikeeehehe :)07:03
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MahlAnybody know where i can get hold of libtag (taglib) 1.3.2 or newer? Synaptic comes with 1.3.1...A debian package or source code distribution?07:12
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godsmokeMahl: have you tried google?07:48
godsmokea search for "taglib 1.3.2" returned 28,300 results07:49
godsmokeI think you can manage that07:49
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epWhats the procedure for getting colorized output on the ls command in a  konsole terminal?  Using alias?08:06
kalenedraelor something like that08:07
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epyeah ls --colors08:07
kalenedraelwell, you can set it with the "dircolors" program08:08
kalenedraelman dircolors08:08
epIt seem many distro's do this by default without me haveing tto use the colors option.08:08
epok i'll do this08:08
kalenedraeli had to set it manually to get colored ls in eterm08:08
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Mahlcus u search for taglib and 1.3.208:49
Mahlbut if you search for taglib 1.3.2 as one word08:49
Mahlyou get 9 results08:49
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rarnhello everyone09:00
rarnanyone have luck with hp officejet scanning using hplip?09:03
rarni've read a bunch of docs/howtos in the forums09:03
rarnscanimage -L finds my scanner, but xsane or kooka do not :(09:04
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rarneveryone's sleeping :)09:11
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lippelwhich gcc version is recommended to be used in kubuntu (5.04)?10:03
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grandI have problem with DNS configuration. After kubuntu restart, I have only two, external deafault namesrerver, but there is no the one from my LAN10:11
nikkiagrand, most likely, you're getting those 2 from DHCP and its overwriting your /etc/resolv.conf10:12
grandI add manualy 'nameserver'10:12
nikkiathere is a command you can add to /etc/network/interfaces that will manually add extra nameserver lines to /etc/resolv.conf when the interface comes up10:12
grandwell, the stuff what you said makes sense to me10:12
nikkiacould be, let me check10:13
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nikkiajust 'nameserver' apparently10:13
grandoh, i can add this line anywhere, or it is necessary to add it after used eth device?10:14
nikkiait has to be in the block corresponding to the interface you want to add it for10:15
grandthanks for help, ill reboot and see if it works10:16
granduh, btw - I have a little question(I suppose every n00b ask this after migration from M$ to Linux system)10:17
grandI noticed, that everything in KDE is so BIG10:17
grandI mean fonts are big, icons are huge10:17
nikkiacould be the DPI setting10:18
aseigogrand: you can adjust this all to taste in the control center. fonts, icon sizes, everything10:18
grandyeah, in M$ i was just increasing resolution10:18
nikkiaaseigo, i suspect he means that they are abnormally big - i've seen it happen before, X gets its DPI from the monitor, which sometimes lies and says silly things like 1000 dpi :P10:19
aseigogrand: by "huge" ... what do you mean? i believe we default to 32px icons in most places, with 22px on the toolbar10:19
aseigonikkia: ah, that will do it as well =)10:19
nikkiaseems to happen more with LCD/TFTs than CRTs10:19
grandhang on, making screenshot10:22
nikkiagrand, also look at xdpyinfo see what the 'resolution' line in that says - that's the DPI10:24
nikkiathe output of xdpyinfo, that is :)10:24
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grandresolution:    101x108 dots per inch10:25
nikkiahmmm, doesn't sound too abnormal, would suggest something like a 15" LCD at 1280x102410:25
grandi have 17" CRT10:26
nikkiastill doesn't sound absurd10:26
grandwell, i am minimalist :D10:26
nikkiai'm at 95x96 on a 17" LCD so 101x108 isn't much different10:27
grandbreeze simplified is the best opera skin for me :D10:27
grand] http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4151/big1fw.png10:27
grandThe horizontal, blue bar on top that says Konversation is big for me, fonts are big.10:28
godsmokeso make them smaller?10:29
grandI would like everything at least twice times smaller :D10:29
nikkiagrand, change the fonts in the control center then :)10:29
grandgodsmoke, i forgot to mention that i am newb10:29
nikkiathe default title bar was too big for me, so i dropped it to 8pt text10:29
godsmokeI mean -- this isn't rocket science10:29
godsmokeyeah, 8pt freesans is what I use10:29
nikkiagodsmoke: bold or normal?10:31
grandOk, wont you get upset if i ask another question?10:31
nikkiai find normal freesans is too 'faint' for the title bar10:31
godsmokenikkia: do whatever you want10:31
godsmokeit's not a big deal10:31
grandoh, ok10:31
nikkiagodsmoke: already have it how i like, was just curious if you found 8pt freesans normal readable for the title bar text10:32
godsmokenikkia: oh, uh, yes, readable10:32
godsmokeI like small small text10:32
nikkiagods, its not the size i find the problem, it just seems to be 'faint' somehow10:32
godsmokeI run 3 20.1" lcds at 1600x1200 each, about 4 feet away from my head10:32
nikkiacould be colour choice vs AA10:32
nikkiagrand, just ask, we're not likely to be upset...10:33
grandCurrently I am using English language, but soon I would like to use my Native language(parents uses my PC too :/ ). And, where will I find fonts, that has my native marks(), and how do I install these fonts?10:34
godsmokeinstall the corresponding locale10:34
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moshehello, folks10:35
grandi dont get it, i am really newbie10:35
godsmokegrand: well, if you don't get something that someone says -- you can look it up10:35
lippelgrand:  kde-i18n-pl (if i recall correctly)10:35
mosheI just installed redhat's artwork per the instructions someone gave on the ubuntu forums, and everything except the qt themes seem to be working, despite the fact that the files are where they belong in /usr/lib/qt-3.3/plugins/styles/10:35
nikkiagrand, most of the default fonts are fairly comprehensive unicode fonts, and should include most characters you'll want10:36
moshedoes anyone know what I could do to remedy this?10:36
lippelgrand: afaik, most fonts supports polish special characters10:36
nikkiagrand, unless, you happen to be inuit, or something, in which case you're screwed :)10:36
lippelgrand: at least the default fonts10:36
mosheunless they belong in the qt-3 directory, instead of qt-3.310:37
grandok, wait a while I'll try something10:37
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mcquaidhey all10:39
mcquaidhow do i install an icon pack?10:39
mcquaidi don't want to do it via the control center as thats just for one user, i want it globally10:39
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grandnikka, where can i set up encoding to UTF-8 ?10:40
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grandi am sorry, 'nikkia'10:40
nikkiagrand, it should be, already10:40
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nikkiasome apps won't honour UTF-8, but that's part of life10:41
lippelgrand: hrm, the default font seems not to support only 10:41
lippelgrand: but e.g. "nimbus sans l" supports them all10:42
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grandlippel, youre right10:44
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grandnikkia, I have restarted kubuntu to check if the dns server is set up right, and... no10:54
nikkiagrand, hmm10:54
armerhey all, my wifi card is only working when I enable the 'irqpoll' option at boot time10:56
armerit complains of irq #9: nobody cared10:56
armerand disabling irq #910:56
nikkiagrand, try 'dns-nameservers' instead of nameserver10:57
armeranyone have a permanent solution for this?10:57
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grandnikkia, how do i delete unused network interfaces, so kernel wont load them?11:06
grandi would like not to use eth1 and eth211:06
lippelgrand: i would just leave that untouched11:07
lippelas long as your wifi (?) works...11:08
grandlippel, why?11:08
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grandno its not wifi11:08
grandnormal LAN11:08
moshehey folks11:08
grandhello again11:08
moshehaving fun with kubuntu so far.11:08
moshethis is only the third distro that's lasted longer than a week on my machine. :)11:09
grandwha... i cant have fun with kubuntu, as i cant do anything 1337 for myself :D11:09
moshesorry :)11:10
grandlippel, so maybe you will tell me whats happening.11:10
mosheI'm amazed at the difference in speed between Kubuntu and Slackware11:10
moshethere must be some different compiling options, because KDE on Slackware with linux 2.4 is faster on my machine than Mandrake with 2.6 was.11:11
grandafter each system startup, my resolv.conf is reset to default11:11
scotdbCurrently installing Kubuntu to replace my Debian Sid "home server"11:11
scotdbI'll probably have questions ;-)11:11
grandand there is no my default LAN nameserver11:11
grandheh, i was talking to him and he left11:12
mosheI've never dealt in the server side, to my dismay11:12
grandanyone else can help me?11:12
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grandits hard to browse internet w/o well working DNS11:12
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grandnikkia, how do i delete unused network interfaces, so kernel wont load them?11:16
grandlippel, so maybe you will tell me whats happening.11:16
grandafter each system startup, my resolv.conf is reset to default11:17
grandand there is no my default nameserver on the list11:17
lippelgrand: do you use dhcp?11:17
grandresolv.conf contains some IPs to nameservers - but this ip does not come from my network11:19
grandlippel, it would not be a problem, because i could set up nameserver manualy, but something overwrites my manual settings in resolv.conf after system restart11:21
lippelgrand: afaik these settings are sent by the dhcp server11:22
grandhmm... and these settings are supposed to work well, right?11:22
grandwell, ill make a little test, please wait11:22
grandok, i had to wait about 15secs before dns responded and resolved domain11:23
grandunder windows, its done instantly11:24
lippelhave you set the nameserver manually there?11:24
lippelmaybe you have to fix it on your router?11:25
grandno, its set up by dhcp11:25
grandoh, but under windowz it works without any problems11:25
lippelhave a look into /etc/network/interfaces11:26
grandiface lo inet loopback11:27
grandauto lo eth011:27
grandiface eth2 inet dhcp11:27
grandiface eth1 inet dhcp11:27
grandiface eth0 inet dhcp11:27
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ciesi want to install kdelibs4-dev... thats all, but to install this i need about 55 other *-dev packages (alltogether ~70MB) do i really need this?11:40
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XaquethHello. I have Kubuntu 5.04. Problem is, system freezes totally, as it seems, same time every day, about midnight. It doesn't seem to have an effect with running different programs, system still freezes. I have no idea how to start fixing the problem, can anyone point some directions? Googling didn't help me much. 12:00

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