[12:08] <Tm_T> what about them?
[12:08] <Tm_T> bugfixes I think
[12:12] <monchy> soooo, whats everyone up too
[12:13] <Tm_T> hmmhmm
[12:14] <Tm_T> bah, tell me where I can find Kubuntu logo
[12:34] <Tm_T> I must be blind :p
[12:36] <ubuntu> ok wtf
[12:36] <ubuntu> i cant get root on livecd 
[12:36] <ubuntu> this is so dumb
[12:36] <Tm_T> no it's not
[12:36] <Tm_T> use sudo instead
[12:36] <ubuntu> it should have you as root by default
[12:36] <ubuntu> what kind of distro makes you use sudo
[12:36] <ubuntu> w/e
[12:36] <ubuntu> but thanks
[12:37] <Tm_T> heh
[12:37] <Tm_T> and you can enable root account if you like
[12:37] <Tm_T> (bit hard in livecd though(?))
[12:38] <ubuntu> yea
[12:38] <ubuntu> i looked on this guide someone had linked me too
[12:38] <ubuntu> it said to add rescue to the boot paramaters
[12:38] <ubuntu> meters*
[12:39] <ubuntu> and it wanted a kernel name first then parameters
[12:39] <Tm_T> uh
[12:39] <Tm_T> yes
[12:39] <ubuntu> so i try the kernel name (live) and also (live-expert) and append rescue
[12:39] <ubuntu> and it doesn't work
[12:39] <ubuntu> anyways
[12:39] <ubuntu> thx
[12:39] <Tm_T> that livecd is just mean't to be for testing imo
[12:52] <ubuntu> Tm_T: umm why would you make a product "for testing" only?
[12:54] <Tm_T> ubuntu: well, livecd is not the main product
[12:54] <ubuntu> well if its not meant to be used (or used publicly) it shouldn't be released
[12:54] <Tm_T> ubuntu: but I'm not any kind of author so don't care my opinions
[12:54] <ubuntu> ok
[12:55] <ubuntu> neither am i
[12:55] <ubuntu> thanks for the help tho
[12:55] <leo> heya everyone. is anyone here running kubuntu on either a Compaq R4000 or HP zv6000 laptop?
[12:55] <nikkia> ubuntu, 'for testing' doesn't mean 'not to be used'
[12:56] <ubuntu> ok
[12:56] <nikkia> it means 'to test if your hardware is supported before trashing a partition to install and try'
[12:56] <ubuntu> anywho
[12:57] <leo> or..  is anyone using the fglrx driver for ati cards?
[01:18] <andrea> hey all
[01:18] <andrea> anybody knows what path do I have to use in shoutcast cfg in order to use my line-in as source?
[01:19] <andrea>  /dev/dsp doesnt seem to work
[01:21] <andrea> anybody?
[01:22] <z|bandito> hi
[01:24] <z|bandito> is there some information about the different kernel choices?
[01:25] <z|bandito> i'm installing kubuntu on an older laptop, and it gives kernel choices to install; linux-386, linux-image-386, and linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 ... i am guessing that the first two are 2.4 based kernels, with the last choice being a 2.6 kernel, but what's the difference between linux-386 and linux-image-386 , for example?  anything else?
[01:27] <uniq> use linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[01:27] <uniq> kubuntu is all 2.6
[01:27] <nikkia> z|bandito, do you know what CPU the laptop has?
[01:28] <nikkia> on an older machine is the time you *really* want to be running the most apt kernel for the CPU
[01:28] <z|bandito> k6-2 366mhz
[01:28] <uniq> hi nikkia. and good night.
[01:28] <uniq> nite.
[01:28] <nikkia> nite uniq
[01:29] <z|bandito> the guys in #ubuntu suggest that they are all the same ... o.O
[01:29] <nikkia> sadly, it looks like 386 is going to be the best choice
[01:29] <z|bandito> of the choices on the cd
[01:29] <nikkia> z|bandito: they are
[01:29] <z|bandito> whats the difference then.. if there is none.. ? o.O  why the different choices?
[01:29] <nikkia> linux-386, linux-image-386 are both virtual packages, they point to the latest -386 kernel image
[01:29] <z|bandito> :)
[01:30] <z|bandito> hmm
[01:30] <Shuddertrix> Not just that, but the restricted-modules too..
[01:30] <nikkia> z|bandito: i don't know why there is linux-386 and linux-image-386, but the linux-image-386 one allows you to install the latest kernel without knowing its version number
[01:30] <nikkia> Shuddertrix: ahh, so linux-386 is -image- *plus* the modules ?
[01:30] <Shuddertrix> nikkia: Pretty sure
[01:30] <nikkia> makes sense
[01:31] <z|bandito> hm
[01:32] <Shuddertrix> linux-386 -> depends upon: linux-image-386,linux-restricted-modules-386
[01:32] <z|bandito> whats the 2.6.10-5 entry then?  just a hard link to a kernel image as opposed to a virtual package, which i gather is sort of akin to a symlink only a bit more advanced since you can include those modules and whatnot.. 
[01:32] <nikkia> z|bandito: that's the kernel version
[01:32] <nikkia> version 2.6.10, sub-release 5
[01:33] <z|bandito> i see.. 
[01:34] <z|bandito> linux-386 it is, then
[01:34] <z|bandito> heh
[01:35] <z|bandito> does kde depend on python?
[01:36] <nikkia> kde itself doesn't
[01:36] <aseigo> no. but kde apps written in python do
[01:36] <z|bandito> ah, interesting
[01:36] <z|bandito> i guess gnome does,.. it was hanging the installation of ubuntu on that box
[01:37] <nikkia> it wouldn't surprise me if something in the kubuntu-desktop package depends on python
[01:37] <z|bandito> python was i mean, but in trying to remove it from the initial installation i could see that a lot of things wanted it for dependencies
[01:37] <nikkia> gnome itself shouldn't, but again, something that ubuntu-desktop depends on might
[01:38] <nikkia> heh, the list of python dependancies for kubuntu-desktop is HUGE
[01:39] <z|bandito> we'll see.. ;)  it errored once already but passed after i redid the initial part
[01:40] <z|bandito> it's possible it just overheated and corrupted some package that python is dependant on, which pretty much hosed the rest of the install.. not sure though
[01:48] <ea065035> i want to install KDar in Kubuntu 5.04 and need Libdar ... will I have compatibility problems with SuperKaramba?
[02:15] <dolny> www.westernquake3.net really cool free conversion - we need more linux players; ] 
[02:16] <Ayreon> Hi
[02:17] <mcquaid> man kde is so much better on resources
[02:17] <mcquaid> i actually really like gnome but it's kind of a pig on my system
[02:19] <Ayreon> i just installed kubuntu, and the screen is huge...... how do i make it smaller like 1076 x 768
[02:19] <Ayreon> or w.e it is
[02:20] <abbas_sahbaz> dpkg -l reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:21] <Ayreon> huh
[02:21] <Ayreon> can someone plz help me, this is an uncomfortable screen size :S
[02:21] <abbas_sahbaz> open terminal
[02:22] <abbas_sahbaz> sudo -su dpkg -l reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:22] <_douglas> What's the kde applet that allows you to change the resolution from the tray?
[02:22] <_douglas> I can't seem to find the right package?
[02:23] <Ayreon> ok i found the terminal, but r u talking to me?
[02:24] <abbas_sahbaz> sudo -su
[02:25] <Ayreon> -su command not found
[02:25] <Ayreon> for -su
[02:25] <abbas_sahbaz> write sudo -su or su
[02:25] <Ayreon> ok i did it and it works,
[02:25] <abbas_sahbaz> sudo
[02:26] <Ayreon> and
[02:26] <abbas_sahbaz> copy and paste
[02:26] <Ayreon> copy and paste what
[02:27] <abbas_sahbaz> copy and paste there
[02:27] <Shuddertrix> you know what's painful? 1600x1200 or whatever on a monitor that should really only go upto 1280x1024.. my monitor was buzzing while I edited my xorg.conf back.. *shiver*
[02:27] <abbas_sahbaz> copy and paste this place
[02:28] <Ayreon> usage: sudo -K | -L | -V | -h | -k | -l | -v
[02:28] <Ayreon> usage: sudo [-HPSb]  [-p prompt]  [-u username|#uid] 
[02:28] <Ayreon>             { -e file [...]  | -i | -s | <command> }
[02:29] <abbas_sahbaz> all
[02:29] <Ayreon> copy and past all of it and put it on here?
[02:30] <Tm_T> flood?
[02:30] <Shuddertrix> Ayreon: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' without the ' to change your resolution, the prompts are easy.
[02:31] <Tm_T> bah, back to sleep ->
[02:32] <Ayreon> ok its up, now it asks which desired x server
[02:33] <abbas_sahbaz> its ok
[02:33] <abbas_sahbaz> are you root
[02:33] <Shuddertrix> What video card do you have?
[02:34] <Ayreon> NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200
[02:34] <Shuddertrix> You still have dpkg-reconfigure open, right? Ctrl+C out of it
[02:35] <Ayreon> i exited it, i pressed the wrong thing :\
[02:35] <Shuddertrix> Run sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings , then run it again..
[02:35] <Ayreon> now it says its locked from another process :\
[02:36] <Shuddertrix> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && sudo killall dpkg-reconfigure && sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:36] <Shuddertrix> run that
[02:37] <abbas_sahbaz> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:38] <Ayreon> it asks for password
[02:38] <abbas_sahbaz> write your root password
[02:38] <Ayreon> ok
[02:38] <Ayreon> its working
[02:39] <Shuddertrix> when you get back to the reconfigure, let it autodetect, then choose the nvidia driver..
[02:39] <Ayreon> dpkg: error processing libpango1.0-common (--configure):
[02:39] <Ayreon>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[02:39] <Ayreon> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:39] <Ayreon>  libpango1.0-common
[02:39] <Ayreon> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:40] <Ayreon> oops
[02:40] <Ayreon> theres an error
[02:40] <McScruff> can someone help me install kvirc please
[02:40] <Shuddertrix> ok, just run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg again then.
[02:41] <Shuddertrix> choose the nv driver for now (it's non-accelerated)
[02:41] <othernoob> is the wine version in the repos stable and works smoothly?
[02:41] <Ayreon> it says is locked by another process
[02:41] <mrmanic> MCCPicky: sudo apt-get install kvirc
[02:41] <mrmanic> gah
[02:42] <mrmanic> McScruff: sudo apt-get install kvirc
[02:42] <McScruff> Package kvirc is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:42] <McScruff> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[02:42] <McScruff> is only available from another source
[02:42] <McScruff> E: Package kvirc has no installation candidate
[02:42] <Ayreon> it says its locked by another process 
[02:43] <mrmanic> McScruff: have you enabled the universe repository?
[02:43] <McScruff> no, as i have just installed
[02:43] <mrmanic> McScruff: do you know how to use vi?
[02:43] <McScruff> to a degree, but i prefere the gui way :)
[02:43] <mrmanic> ok
[02:43] <mrmanic> sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:44] <mrmanic> McScruff: --^
[02:44] <McScruff> i know how to do this bit :)
[02:44] <mrmanic> ok
[02:45] <mrmanic> at any rate, enable universe, then apt-get update and then retry apt-get install
[02:45] <McScruff> updateing
[02:45] <mrmanic> cool
[02:46] <McScruff> is there a way to update to the latest version?
[02:46] <godsmoke> McScruff: latest version of what?
[02:47] <McScruff> kvirc
[02:47] <McScruff> this is the old one
[02:47] <McScruff> :(
[02:47] <godsmoke> that's what apt-get install kvirc does ...
[02:47] <godsmoke> heh
[02:47] <mrmanic> McScruff: if it's not in the repository, you may have 2 options.  one is to find a .deb of it, and the other is to compile from source.
[02:47] <godsmoke> well, "old" is relative
[02:47] <McScruff> i got debs
[02:47] <McScruff> but they wont install
[02:48] <godsmoke> could you be more specific?
[02:48] <mrmanic> iaw godsmoke 
[02:48] <McScruff> yes
[02:48] <mrmanic> what kind of error do they give you when you dpkg -i them?
[02:48] <McScruff> it comes i n2 beds, 1 for data one for kvirc, you need 1 to install the other
[02:49] <McScruff> i will re write that
[02:49] <godsmoke> is there a specific reason that you need this version?
[02:49] <godsmoke> or is this just an omnious "I want the newest"
[02:49] <McScruff> it comes in 2 deb files, kvirc data and kvirc, to install kvirc you need to install kvirc data, and to instal data you need kvirc
[02:50] <McScruff> this version looks nicer and is better in general
[02:50] <godsmoke> ...
[02:50] <mrmanic> McScruff: the dependencies on your debs are messed up, sounds like.
[02:50] <McScruff> the debs are official ones
[02:50] <mrmanic> "official"
[02:50] <McScruff> from thei site
[02:50] <McScruff> 8their
[02:50] <mrmanic> from the kvirc site?
[02:50] <McScruff> yep
[02:51] <McScruff> http://www.kvirc.net/?id=releases&platform=unix&version=3.2.0&group=debian
[02:52] <godsmoke> somehow, I doubt their official debs are messed up
[02:52] <godsmoke> it's far more likely you made a mistake
[02:52] <McScruff> i probably have
[02:52] <McScruff> but i cant work out how to install them
[02:52] <mrmanic> could it be a difference between debian and kubuntu?
[02:53] <godsmoke> mrmanic: ... he just said they depended on each other
[02:53] <godsmoke> which has nothing to do with the data in the package
[02:53] <McScruff> why dont 1 of you try to install
[02:53] <McScruff> you will see the problem
[02:53] <mrmanic> I will
[02:53] <mrmanic> sec
[02:53] <godsmoke> go ahead -- I don't install random packages
[02:53] <McScruff> fair enough
[02:54] <McScruff> i had a go with symthony live cd today, that is one nice desktop <<changing the conversation completly
[02:56] <Ayreon> Hi, how much KB is 128 MB
[02:56] <mrmanic> McScruff: kvirc depends on way more than kvirc-data
[02:56] <McScruff> :S
[02:57] <McScruff> so its not kubuntu friendly?
[02:58] <mrmanic> McScruff: I believe that is the case, yes
[03:00] <_judith> how do I install LiquidWeather?
[03:00] <McScruff> means i have to stick to xchat :(
[03:01] <mrmanic> McScruff: you have a wealth of options.  Try konversation on for size, or ksirc, or kopete's IRC capabilities, or ircii, or any of the other text based IRC programs.
[03:01] <jude> ?
[03:02] <mrmanic> McScruff: heck, I've even seen people running mIRC via wine.
[03:02] <McScruff> i dont like mirc either :)
[03:02] <McScruff> i will try konversation
[03:02] <McScruff> then ksirc
[03:03] <McScruff> after i get klibido working
[03:03] <mrmanic> Ok.  I stuck with konversation.  I don't feel it's quite as good as xchat in a lot of ways, but it has a lot of additional kde integration that xchat doesn't have.
[03:03] <godsmoke> konversation has a number of features over xchat as well
[03:03] <McScruff> what is ksirc like?
[03:05] <mrmanic> McScruff: not sure, it's been years since I tried it.
[03:05] <McScruff> :)
[03:05] <McScruff> btw thankyou you two for your help
[03:05] <McScruff> forgot to say that earlier
[03:06] <Ayreon> I just installed Kubuntu and my screen size only allows 640 x 480 and 320 x 240.  I'd like to increase it to 1024 x 768 or around those measures. 
[03:07] <mrmanic> McScruff: glad to help
[03:07] <McScruff> is "g++.real: cannot specify -o with -c or -S and multiple compilations" bad?
[03:08] <McScruff> never seen that error before 
[03:08] <mrmanic> isn't any error during compilation inherently bad?
[03:08] <McScruff> yep
[03:08] <McScruff> and this is following guildlines :S
[03:10] <McScruff> nothing likes installing on ubuntu
[03:10] <McScruff> *kubuntu
[03:11] <mrmanic> I disagree.
[03:11] <mrmanic> I have been very happy with my system, and had no compilation problems at all with the stuff I've had to compile
[03:11] <mrmanic> So at least SOME stuff likes to install on kubuntu :)
[03:11] <McScruff> beginers bad luck :)
[03:13] <Ayreon> can someone help me increase my screen size please? it only shows 640 x 480 and nothing else...
[03:13] <mrmanic> Ayreon: I can't really help you.  Mine just happened to work right off the bat.
[03:14] <McScruff> i got klibido to work WITHOUT HELP :)
[03:14] <McScruff> Ayreon : mine worked fine too :(
[03:14] <mrmanic> Ayreon: it SOUNDS like your graphics card wasn't detected correctly (or maybe at all)
[03:16] <Ayreon> hmm I ran sudo 'something' and it did auto detect 'stuff' and it found it, but when i finished it didnt do nothing, maybe i'll try it again
[03:16] <McScruff> mrmanic please can i ask you another n00b Q, Can you teach me to compile :)
[03:17] <mrmanic> McScruff: I think generally that's what the INSTALL and README docs are for.
[03:17] <McScruff> i tihnk i might be doing it
[03:17] <McScruff> *think
[03:17] <mrmanic> with most stuff it's as simple as make && sudo make install
[03:17] <McScruff> i did configure :S
[03:17] <mrmanic> ah
[03:17] <mrmanic> ./configure
[03:17] <mrmanic> make
[03:17] <McScruff> yea
[03:17] <mrmanic> make install
[03:18] <McScruff> im trying kvirc from source
[03:18] <mrmanic> good luck.
[03:18] <McScruff> its worth a try
[03:18] <mrmanic> the most important thing is to read the README and INSTALL files.
[03:18] <mrmanic> they should let you know about major gotchas you may run into
[03:18] <McScruff> i have a bad habit to jump in with wrong commands :)
[03:19] <McScruff> i get the "lets try this command, it worked on something"
[03:19] <mrmanic> I can't really teach you to compile, b/c there are a variety of ways to compile stuff.
[03:19] <McScruff> so far this one looks ok
[03:21] <McScruff> also is CVS source code too, but that is always being updated (as you can tell im kind of new to real linux)
[03:22] <mrmanic> McScruff: I think you may be jumping into the deep end a bit
[03:23] <McScruff> cvs will be my next learning point
[03:23] <mrmanic> McScruff: CVS is source code that is currently being worked on.  It's generally fairly untested
[03:23] <McScruff> thats what i thought
[03:23] <mrmanic> well, CVS is a piece of software that allows version control.
[03:24] <mrmanic> it's fairly ubiquitous, but there are others, like svn and bitkeeper, I think.
[03:24] <mrmanic> but generally when people refer to a "CVS version" they mean the bleeding edge untested/not well tested version.
[03:25] <McScruff> with source (lets use this kvirc as an example) could i in theory make kubuntu compatible .deb files (if this install works)
[03:25] <mrmanic> McScruff: theoretically, yes.  You would have to learn how to package, as well.
[03:25] <McScruff> sorry for the annoying n00b questions, but i am learning :)
[03:25] <McScruff> and waiting for this to compile
[03:26] <mrmanic> n00b questions are the only ones I can actually answer :S
[03:26] <McScruff> lol
[03:26] <mrmanic> I'm pretty new to this myself
[03:26] <mrmanic> I've had kubuntu installed for maybe a month.
[03:27] <McScruff> i have gone round all the main distros (and others) and have come back to this and now im settles i want to learn more
[03:40] <McScruff> mrmanic , kvirc works fine from source :) cheers for all the help im off to bed now :)
[03:40] <McScruff> nite
[03:46] <wweasel> hey, how can i apt-get kubuntu without my cd
[03:46] <js_> apt-get kubuntu-desktop ?
[03:46] <js_> apt-get install even
[03:47] <wweasel> yeah, it wants the cd
[03:47] <js_> comment out the cdrom entry form sources.list and make sure you got hoary in the internet sources
[03:47] <js_> then apt-get update and try agani
[03:47] <wweasel> k
[03:55] <wweasel> and how can i change the default display manager later?
[03:57] <js_> try running update-alternatives
[04:08] <jasoncohen> i have KDE 3.4.1 installed from kubuntu sources. when i try to install kdemultimedia-dev i get errors saying that the 3.4.0 version of akode, kdelibs4-dev, artsbuilder, kdemultimedia-kio-plugins, kmix, kscd, and libkcddb1 are needed but apt-cache show kdemultimedia-dev shows that the 3.4.1 versions are dependencies of kdemultimedia-dev 3.4.1-10ubuntu0hoary1
[04:21] <Ayreon> Hi, is anyone capable of helping me with a screen size issue?  I just installed Kubuntu and under display it only shows 640 x 480.  Is there a way to fix this (last ask)
[04:25] <Ayreon> *thinks of going back to xp sadly*
[04:25] <Ayreon> ..
[04:26] <Ayreon> *That was suppose to grap ur attention*
[04:26] <Ayreon> grab*
[04:27] <Ayreon> maybe its thinking my desktop pc is a laptop?? .......
[04:28] <jasoncohen> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:28] <jasoncohen> at the end it'll let you choose the resolution
[04:29] <Ayreon> ok thanks
[04:33] <Ayreon> ok theres one step in there that stumps me.  It asks the ammount of memory to use in KB.  My graphics device has 128 MB of ddr video memory, how much KB is in 128 MB
[04:35] <jasoncohen> you can safely choose the default to most questions
[04:35] <jasoncohen> if you don't know the answer leave it blank or use the default
[04:36] <Ayreon> Should I use kernel framebuffer
[04:38] <Ayreon> ok i did no
[04:39] <Ayreon> the ones with [*]  is the ones that work?
[04:39] <Ayreon> ah brb.
[04:39] <Ayreon> restarting it is done
[04:42] <Ayreon> its not working >_< its still at 640 x something
[04:43] <Ayreon> maybe i should just reinstall kubuntu.
[04:43] <Ayreon> or does it always start at 640 x something after install is done?
[05:19] <jesus> if i have to cd into a directory then use sudo to run a game how can i make a shortcut to run it on my desktop?
[05:24] <jesus> if i have to cd into a directory then use sudo to run a game how can i make a shortcut to run it on my desktop?
[05:25] <_unome> right click on desktop > create luncher doesn't work?
[05:36] <Ayreon> hi, after installing Kubunto, does it always start you up at 640 x 480 with everyone?
[05:40] <_unome> Ayreon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:42] <Ayreon> ok thanks so much
[05:42] <_unome> :)
[06:02] <tuerten> hi
[06:02] <tuerten> new user, i just installed bittorrent and bittornado using kynaptic but it doesnt show up on the start menu
[06:03] <tuerten> can anyone tell me how i can put it there? or even find the executable and use it?
[06:03] <Borg^Queen> Hey people
[06:03] <Borg^Queen> I'm trying to add deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0/ ./  to apt source list but it keeps failing.
[06:04] <Borg^Queen> I'm not on kubuntu on this machine, Debian Sarge
[06:07] <Borg^Queen> is this thing on?
[06:07] <Borg^Queen> testing testing 1 2 3 
[06:08] <`crimsun> what keeps failing?
[06:08] <Borg^Queen> It says it can't access the url
[06:08] <Borg^Queen> hang on
[06:09] <Borg^Queen> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org ./ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org_kde-3.4.0_._Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[06:14] <`crimsun> sounds like the deb line is invalid
[06:16] <Borg^Queen> let me check
[06:16] <Borg^Queen> doesn't seem to be
[06:16] <Borg^Queen> the above is exactly what's in there
[06:17] <SQFreak> Borg^Queen: Have you apt-get update'd?
[06:18] <Borg^Queen> yes
[06:19] <Borg^Queen> ooooh I found it
[06:20] <Borg^Queen> the ./ wasn't sep from the rest of the line.
[06:20] <Borg^Queen> I need to make these fonts bigger
[06:20] <`crimsun> see what I mean by invalid? ;)
[06:24] <Borg^Queen> ppppppfffft
[07:11] <Borg^Queen> if I wanted to add a local dir to the list, what would the like look like?
[07:23] <juanpa> Hello. I have Ubuntu and am trying to install kubuntu-desktop, but an error comes up: it seems there is a problem with konversation. It says kubuntu-desktop depends on konversation. What shall I do?
[07:26] <Borg^Queen> make sure you're including konversation during the install
[07:27] <tomchuk> juanpa: are you using backports?
[07:28] <juanpa> I'm sorry... what are those?
[07:29] <tomchuk> have you added the ubuntu backports repository to /etc/apt/sources.list?
[07:30] <juanpa> tomchuk, my sources.list says:
[07:30] <juanpa> ## Backports
[07:30] <juanpa> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiv$deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multivers$
[07:30] <tomchuk> the konversation in backports depends on the kde 3.4.1 packages from kubuntu.org, which is why you are probably getting the error
[07:31] <tomchuk> you can either remove the backports repo or add the kde-3.4.1 repo
[07:31] <juanpa> tomchuk, i'll try to add kde 3.4.1. Thanks
[07:32] <tomchuk> np
[07:33] <juanpa> How should I add that repository?
[07:34] <tomchuk> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php
[07:34] <tomchuk> and http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice-14.php if you want the new koffice
[07:42] <juanpa> tomchuk, thanks a lot. It's already downloading
[07:43] <tomchuk> cool
[07:45] <unome> would someone tell me how bookmarks work in Konsole, can you bookmark a command or what? If I have a session with tail -f /var/log/message for instance, can I bookmark that?
[08:07] <ram_einstein> hi all! i just installed kubuntu and I want to know how to add new users
[08:07] <godsmoke> ram_einstein: you can use "adduser" or the kubuntu user management system
[08:08] <godsmoke> err
[08:08] <godsmoke> s/kubuntu/kde/
[08:08] <ram_einstein> one sec godsmoke 
[08:08] <ram_einstein> where is the kubuntu user management system?
[08:09] <ram_einstein> I'd prefer that over adduser
[08:09] <godsmoke> ... did you check the kde configuration thing?
[08:09] <godsmoke> whatever it's called
[08:09] <godsmoke> "Control Center" or something to that effect
[08:09] <ram_einstein> I found it
[08:09] <godsmoke> not to mention, this is clearly outlined in the KDE manual
[08:09] <ram_einstein> but I need the root password
[08:09] <ram_einstein> I only sudo
[08:10] <ram_einstein> what's the defaulr root password godsmoke ?
[08:10] <godsmoke> please read the kubuntu faq
[08:10] <ram_einstein> no, I didn't read the manual, where can I dinf it?
[08:10] <godsmoke> I'm sorry, I'm not going to do this
[08:11] <unome> godsmoke: do you use Konsole's bookmarks?
[08:11] <godsmoke> unome: I don't use Konsole
[08:11] <unome> Eterm?
[08:12] <godsmoke> aterm
[08:12] <ram_einstein> xterm here
[08:12] <unome> aterm doesn't support tabs, does it?
[08:12] <godsmoke> don't use them -- wouldn't know
[08:13] <ram_einstein> neither does xterm
[08:13] <godsmoke> I don't use KDE on my main workstations
[08:13] <godsmoke> so, things like Konsole aren't there
[08:13] <ram_einstein> the faq is on the website
[08:13] <ram_einstein> kubuntu.org~
[08:14] <godsmoke> wow, you figured that out on your own, huh?
[08:14] <ram_einstein> I JUST installed it godsmoke 
[08:14] <ram_einstein> I use Fedora
[08:14] <godsmoke> that has absolutely nothing to do with anything
[08:14] <ram_einstein> just wanted to try this out
[08:15] <godsmoke> especially where faqs are typically located
[08:16] <ram_einstein> duh
[08:21] <ram_einstein> got it at KUDOS
[08:59] <mrmanic> godsmoke: you get tired of answering the same questions again and again too?
[09:02] <ram_einstein> ERROR: Kuser crashes. Steps: Open Kuser, double-click on your user name to bring up details and click OK
[09:02] <ram_einstein> what could be wrong?
[09:04] <ram_einstein> it's a major problem: I can't add new users!
[09:05] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: you can add new users with the adduser command
[09:05] <ram_einstein> yeah, true
[09:05] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: just add them to all relevant groups as well
[09:05] <ram_einstein> but I can't figure out the names of the gruops
[09:05] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: as your user, type "groups" or "id'
[09:06] <ram_einstein> I need the new user to have basic access to sound, cdrom
[09:06] <ram_einstein> okay
[09:06] <thoreauputic> that will show what groups you are in
[09:06] <thoreauputic> don't add new users to "admin"
[09:06] <ram_einstein> ah thanks!
[09:06] <ram_einstein> why not?
[09:06] <thoreauputic> unless you want them to have sudo powers
[09:06] <ram_einstein> hmm okay
[09:07] <thoreauputic> users in admin have the same sudo rights as the default user
[09:07] <ram_einstein> but can you tell me why my kuser keeps crashing?
[09:07] <thoreauputic> nope,, sorry
[09:07] <thoreauputic> I use fluxbox *grin*
[09:07] <ram_einstein> actually, a lot of programs crash
[09:07] <ram_einstein> kde is very very buggy
[09:07] <ram_einstein> I just wanted to try it out
[09:08] <ram_einstein> I like gnome, on fc4 and ubuntu
[09:08] <thoreauputic> hmm - I haven't had too many problems with KDE apps here
[09:08] <ram_einstein> way too many here
[09:08] <thoreauputic> I mostly use gtk/gnome apps though
[09:08] <ram_einstein> once a program crashes, it never opens again
[09:08] <ram_einstein> as if it remembered itself crashing
[09:09] <thoreauputic> sometimes it's an artsd issue in KDE
[09:09] <thoreauputic> I set the arts daemon to time out after 5 seconds
[09:09] <ram_einstein> yep
[09:09] <thoreauputic> sound daemons are a nuisance
[09:11] <thoreauputic> and I really don't need more than one sound at once, so I use dmix and disable esd, and let artsd time out *real fast*
[09:11] <ram_einstein> adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin
[09:11] <mrmanic> ram_einstein: the kuser in kde 3.4.0 in kubuntu was crashy.
[09:11] <mrmanic> ram_einstein: please note the topic re: kde 3.4.1.  it fixes the problem nicely, and you can add users.
[09:12] <ram_einstein> adduser --home /home/test --shell /bin/bash --uid 1200 --ingroup adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin test
[09:12] <ram_einstein> one sec mrmanic 
[09:12] <ram_einstein> how do I update my kde? I have no apt repos
[09:12] <ram_einstein> thoreauputic: is that line fine?
[09:13] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: I don't know - i don't do it that way :) I just do it one step at a time
[09:13] <thoreauputic> I only have two users anyway ;)
[09:13] <ram_einstein> thoreauputic: what do you suggest?
[09:13] <mrmanic> ram_einstein: read the link in the topic: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php
[09:14] <ram_einstein> ah okay mrmanic 
[09:14] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: well, I assume that's a test - see if it does what you want it to do
[09:14] <thoreauputic> if not, deluser will reverse it
[09:15] <thoreauputic> why uid 1200 though?
[09:15] <thoreauputic> and where is the user's name?
[09:16] <ram_einstein> thoreauputic: sorry, testing the repos
[09:17] <ram_einstein> and where is the password?
[09:17] <ram_einstein> I really don't understand that
[09:17] <ram_einstein> my uid is 1100
[09:17] <thoreauputic> sudo passwd username
[09:17] <ram_einstein> hence 1200 for my new user
[09:17] <thoreauputic> hmm
[09:18] <ram_einstein> forget it! I'll update kde instead
[09:19] <ram_einstein> ah got the repos
[09:19] <ram_einstein> now what do I update?
[09:19] <ram_einstein> i'm used to yum
[09:19] <mrmanic> apt-get update
[09:19] <mrmanic> apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:19] <mrmanic> that should do it
[09:20] <mrmanic> sudo both of those, of course
[09:20] <mrmanic> :)
[09:20] <ram_einstein> everything
[09:20] <ram_einstein> apt-get update updates everything
[09:20] <mrmanic> right
[09:20] <ram_einstein> that's okay I guess
[09:20] <ram_einstein> yum update
[09:21] <mrmanic> well, apt-get update updates the package db
[09:21] <ram_einstein> it fetched and read the package list but did nothing else!
[09:21] <mrmanic> so you know what you have available
[09:21] <ram_einstein> okay...
[09:21] <mrmanic> then you do apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:21] <ram_einstein> then?
[09:21] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: that's what update does
[09:21] <ram_einstein> ah okay
[09:22] <ram_einstein> 11 mb
[09:22] <ram_einstein> quite small
[09:22] <ram_einstein> yum update on the contrary, updates db and updates distro
[09:23] <ram_einstein> is kubuntu very buggy?
[09:23] <mrmanic> not VERY buggy, no.
[09:23] <ram_einstein> kuser is, agreed, and there's a fix
[09:23] <mrmanic> those 11 MB of updates are mostly bugfixes.
[09:23] <ram_einstein> I see
[09:23] <mrmanic> well
[09:23] <mrmanic> that's actually false
[09:23] <mrmanic> most of it is probably kde updates
[09:24] <mrmanic> updating from 3.4.0 to 3.4.1
[09:24] <ram_einstein> why is gnome so much superior in that aspect then?
[09:24] <ram_einstein> yep, they're kde updates
[09:24] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: I don't think it is, really 
[09:24] <mrmanic> iaw thoreauputic 
[09:24] <ram_einstein> thoreauputic: I'm a gnome user
[09:24] <ram_einstein> and I've used kde too
[09:24] <mrmanic> ram_einstein: I'm a kde user.  I don't have problems with kde, and I find all kinds of issues with gnome.
[09:24] <ram_einstein> kde looks really nice
[09:24] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:24] <mrmanic> or have :\
[09:25] <ram_einstein> :)
[09:25] <ram_einstein> fluxbox looks nice?
[09:25] <ram_einstein> it's lightweight right?
[09:25] <thoreauputic> oh yeah
[09:25] <thoreauputic> it's lightweight :)
[09:26] <ram_einstein> looking at some screenshots, wait
[09:27] <thoreauputic> unfortunately the hoary package for fluxbox has an issue: I compiled mine with --disable-xmb to fix it
[09:27] <ram_einstein> looks hellish, sorry to say
[09:27] <ram_einstein> damn it
[09:27] <thoreauputic> but I guess it won't be fixed until Breezy
[09:28] <ram_einstein> no shortcuts, menubar, nothing
[09:28] <nikkia> ram_einstein: lightweight and 'looks good' rarely go hand in hand :)
[09:28] <ram_einstein> just a nice wallpaper
[09:28] <mrmanic> ram_einstein: if you like gnome, go back to gnome.
[09:28] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: it can look any way you want it to, really
[09:28] <ram_einstein> what's the advantage of lightweight?
[09:28] <mrmanic> doesn't use as much memory and processor?
[09:28] <ram_einstein> I use gnome anyway
[09:28] <thoreauputic> heh - depends how you like to work
[09:28] <ram_einstein> on ubuntu and fedora
[09:29] <nikkia> the biggest memory and CPU hog of KDE is all the pixmaps
[09:29] <ram_einstein> I just tried kubuntu
[09:29] <ram_einstein> you have to be open-minded
[09:29] <ram_einstein> doesn't affect the performance here
[09:29] <thoreauputic> it's usually faster to type a command than dig around for a button to click...
[09:29] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:29] <ram_einstein> it is
[09:30] <ram_einstein> I'd like that too
[09:30] <thoreauputic> so fluxbox is fine...
[09:30] <ram_einstein> fluxbox can do that?
[09:30] <godsmoke> can do what?
[09:30] <godsmoke> my god
[09:30] <ram_einstein> just type the command
[09:30] <thoreauputic> any linux can
[09:30] <godsmoke> ...
[09:30] <ram_einstein> and the program comes up
[09:30] <ram_einstein> duh
[09:30] <mrmanic> ram_einstein: you can do that in anything.
[09:30] <godsmoke> welcome to the new milenium
[09:30] <thoreauputic> it isn't a function of wm
[09:30] <ram_einstein> a terminal winfow
[09:31] <ram_einstein> i meam without a terminal window
[09:31] <godsmoke> sigh
[09:31] <ram_einstein> like one built-into the dekstop
[09:31] <godsmoke> you just get a launch app
[09:31] <godsmoke> they sit in the corner, or whatever you want
[09:31] <ram_einstein> that qould be ool
[09:31] <thoreauputic> what's your problem with terminal windows?
[09:31] <godsmoke> this is a retarded conversation
[09:31] <ram_einstein> yeah
[09:31] <ram_einstein> stop it then
[09:31] <thoreauputic> fbrun is a dialog to launch commands
[09:32] <ram_einstein> lets discuss something else
[09:32] <thoreauputic> you can do that in gnome or KDE too
[09:32] <ram_einstein> :)
[09:32] <godsmoke> there are lunch utilities that are wm-independent
[09:32] <godsmoke> this entire discussion is moot
[09:33] <ram_einstein> lunch it is then
[09:33] <ram_einstein> see you later
[09:33] <ram_einstein> wait! I have a question
[09:33] <nikkia> if there is any 'wm' that i'd *like* to run, it'd be 'E', because of its amiga-like draggable screens, but the whole bloated overhead of E isn't worth it :/
[09:33] <ram_einstein> I tried to make a /home common to fedora and kubuntu
[09:33] <godsmoke> you wish to torture me further?
[09:33] <ram_einstein> no godsmoke 
[09:34] <ram_einstein> but I failed thought it was an ext3 sans lvm
[09:34] <ram_einstein> kubuntu asked me to update my e2fsck or something
[09:34] <ram_einstein> it didn't mount /home and kde didn't start at all
[09:35] <godsmoke> well, if you don't have a home directory, kde isn't likely to start under that user
[09:35] <ram_einstein> duh
[09:35] <godsmoke> since it has no place to do anything
[09:35] <ram_einstein> so what went wrong?
[09:36] <godsmoke> I can't tell you from that extremely brief overview
[09:36] <ram_einstein> why couldn't i mount a simple ext3 disk?
[09:36] <ram_einstein> anything obviously wrong?
[09:36] <godsmoke> I don't know why you couldn't
[09:36] <godsmoke> no
[09:36] <ram_einstein> like fedora using it?
[09:36] <godsmoke> I mount my home directory on all of my systems
[09:36] <godsmoke> that's what media servers are good for
[09:36] <ram_einstein> that's fine
[09:36] <godsmoke> centralized documents
[09:36] <ram_einstein> in a seperate /mnt
[09:36] <godsmoke> I can't tell you why your particular setup didn't work
[09:37] <ram_einstein> I mean total sharing, all settings, all files
[09:37] <godsmoke> sigh
[09:37] <godsmoke> HOME DIRECTORY
[09:37] <godsmoke> so yes
[09:37] <godsmoke> any file or config stored in the home directory, is shared
[09:37] <godsmoke> which is anything user-specific
[09:37] <godsmoke> hence the concept of a home directory
[09:37] <ram_einstein> no dman it! you can also mount it now with a mount /dev/hda1 ort whatever
[09:38] <ram_einstein> and settings will just be files
[09:38] <godsmoke> you're really not making sense
[09:38] <godsmoke> configs are just file
[09:38] <godsmoke> files*
[09:38] <ram_einstein> okay, I'll go over it once again
[09:38] <ram_einstein> I have fc4
[09:38] <ram_einstein> '/booot is mounted on /dev/hda1
[09:39] <ram_einstein> '/home on /dev/hda2
[09:39] <ram_einstein> so whatever I do on fc4 affects /dev/hda2
[09:39] <godsmoke> well, anything that is user-specific, yes
[09:39] <ram_einstein> like creating a bookmark in firefox will be stored there
[09:39] <godsmoke> right
[09:40] <ram_einstein> forget users for now
[09:40] <ram_einstein> one user
[09:40] <ram_einstein> '/home/user
[09:40] <godsmoke> you're obviously impaired
[09:40] <godsmoke> anyway
[09:41] <ram_einstein> now, when you /boot (/dev/hda3) ubuntu, you can "read" /dev/hda2
[09:41] <godsmoke> thoreauputic: he'd have to be speaking proper english for that to be a real question
[09:41] <godsmoke> ok -- "read" -- as opposed to?
[09:41] <ram_einstein> you can read all you documents stored on /home/user
[09:42] <godsmoke> yes -- please speed up
[09:42] <godsmoke> I'm starting to fall asleep
[09:42] <ram_einstein> read as opposed to "use" it as a /home by ubuntu where, anything I do on ubuntu affects the disk
[09:42] <godsmoke> heh
[09:42] <godsmoke> well, obviously, you need to READ on how linux works
[09:42] <ram_einstein> mounting doesn't affect the disk right?
[09:42] <godsmoke> you can't just randomly mount a directory and expect it to be used as your users home directory
[09:42] <ram_einstein> the settings will be there
[09:42] <godsmoke> you need to actually know what you're doing
[09:42] <ram_einstein> exactly godsmoke 
[09:42] <godsmoke> so please, google this
[09:43] <ram_einstein> !
[09:43] <ram_einstein> great
[09:43] <ram_einstein> disk driud can let an ubuntu user's /home directory be on any disk
[09:43] <godsmoke> it's very obvious why this isn't working -- and it's because you didn't mount the partition as your /home directory in ubuntu
[09:43] <ram_einstein> I did!
[09:44] <ram_einstein> using that partiton manager in the installation
[09:44] <godsmoke> forget partition managers
[09:44] <godsmoke> they have nothing to do with this
[09:44] <ram_einstein> it's gonna be a long long day
[09:45] <godsmoke> not mine
[09:45] <godsmoke> mine's ending
[09:45] <godsmoke> bye
[09:45] <ram_einstein> same here
[09:45] <ram_einstein> bye
[09:45] <thoreauputic> godsmoke: you're from New york, right?
[09:46] <godsmoke> thoreauputic: yes
[09:46] <thoreauputic> I guessed...
[09:46] <opi> hi
[09:46] <godsmoke> thoreauputic: ... ok
[09:46] <ram_einstein> not a bad guess at all
[09:46] <godsmoke> you guessed from the "nyc" in my hostname?
[09:46] <thoreauputic> godsmoke: the attitude is a giveaway ;)
[09:46] <ram_einstein> considering the way he speaks
[09:46] <thoreauputic> godsmoke: no, from your demeanor :)
[09:46] <godsmoke> no, the attitude is evident of someone who doesn't bother with people who can't articulate in english
[09:47] <ram_einstein> I see. So I don't understand English now, is it?
[09:47] <godsmoke> thoreauputic: very passive agressive of you :)
[09:48] <ram_einstein> watch you tongue
[09:48] <Ghete1> I have an ethical question. I just crashed my car and I have had to cancel a semester of college b/c i havent the means to get there or the money to fix my car. someone close to me has offered me a pretty good amount of money to set up a kolab server and a few clients. i have always recieved help free of charge here at the ubuntu and kubuntu channels. should i take this job?
[09:48] <ram_einstein> you're lucky I'm such a nice guy who doesn't take insults to heart
[09:49] <thoreauputic> Ghete1: why not?
[09:49] <mrmanic> Ghete1: sure.
[09:49] <Ghete1> but i have gotten linux for free
[09:49] <Ghete1> and learned everything i know now b/c of what you guys have taught me
[09:50] <ram_einstein> it always was and always will be
[09:50] <thoreauputic> Ghete1: that doesn't matter - free as in freedom, man :)
[09:50] <ram_einstein> help is free too thanks to people like us
[09:50] <Ghete1> so shouldnt my help be free?
[09:50] <ram_einstein> ummm.. I'm not sure it includes our american friend
[09:50] <thoreauputic> Ghete1: you'll give back to the community anyway, and you will help people too
[09:51] <Ghete1> mmm
[09:51] <ram_einstein> Ghete1: what do you pay consultants for? :)
[09:51] <Ghete1> haha i guess so
[09:51] <thoreauputic> Ghete1: open source doesn't mean "no pay" - RMS made his way early on selling emacs :)
[09:51] <Ghete1> ok
[09:51] <godsmoke> ram_einstein: you don't know the first thing about linux
[09:51] <ram_einstein> thank you godsmoke 
[09:52] <ram_einstein> for your very pleasant comment
[09:52] <mrmanic> Ghete1: being paid for your expertise isn't bad.
[09:52] <thoreauputic> godsmoke: who cares? Are you Brian Kernighan or someone? Do you have 30 years experience? Everyone starts somewhere
[09:52] <Ghete1> ok, i got the ok/cool from people in ubuntu and kubuntu channels... im going for it!
[09:53] <thoreauputic> Ghete1: best of luck !
[09:53] <Ghete1> thanks!
[09:53] <godsmoke> thoreauputic: absolutely, and people who are starting out, and don't know anything don't advertise themselves as part of a free support offering
[09:53] <mrmanic> thoreauputic: I think the issue was less the knowledge or lack of knowledge, and more the general attitude and lack of any apparent attempt to figure it out before asking.
[09:54] <godsmoke> I'll leave mrmanic to finish this
[09:54] <thoreauputic> mrmanic: I dislike it when people make rude remarks, regardless of the motive. But whatever...
[09:55] <mrmanic> thoreauputic: I agree with you.  You might have noticed that I sort of stepped away for a while.
[09:56] <mrmanic> thoreauputic: I don't really know how to explain to someone that they need to do it for themselves, that all the resources are out there, they just have to go find them.
[09:56] <mrmanic> thoreauputic: people just don't seem to like that answer ;)
[09:56] <thoreauputic> mrmanic: that's true, indeed
[09:57] <thoreauputic> mrmanic: and after a while i get fatigued with answering the same questions over and over..
[09:57] <mrmanic> yeah, exactly
[09:57] <thoreauputic> but I guess that's what it's about, in a channel like this or #ubuntu
[09:57] <mrmanic> it's even more irritating when I have to answer the same questions multiple times FOR THE SAME PERSON
[09:58] <nikkia> mrmanic: i dunno, the 'where's my root password' gets pretty annoying
[09:58] <thoreauputic> mrmanic: ah, yes, at that point I lose my cool
[09:58] <mrmanic> thoreauputic: that's why I left :)
[09:58] <thoreauputic> nikkia: especially since the installer explains it
[09:58] <Ghete1> well why dont we have one of those !rootpassword thingies?
[09:58] <nikkia> thoreauputic: to be fair, even I skipped past that without really reading it
[09:59] <mrmanic> thoreauputic: and why I didn't have anything particularly nice to say to ram_einstein.
[09:59] <nikkia> thoreauputic: the installer should maybe ask the user to type 'yes, i understand, i don't have a root password' to skip past that screen :P
[09:59] <thoreauputic> mrmanic: yeah, I came in late so i don't know the full story :)
[09:59] <mrmanic> nikkia: that's not "user friendly"
[09:59] <mrmanic> ;)
[09:59] <thoreauputic> nikkia: a bit Windowsish, that - but I agree with the sentiment :)
[10:00] <nikkia> thoreauputic: no, windows-ish would be requiring the press of some randomly chosen F key :)
[10:01] <mrmanic> oooh
[10:01] <nikkia> the NT/2k/XP partitioner on the install disk annoys me no end with that
[10:01] <mrmanic> F8
[10:01] <thoreauputic> nikkia: hahah - "Press any key to continue" "where's the 'any' key??"
[10:01] <mrmanic> I like win2k3.  
[10:01] <mrmanic> I wish it were linux, though :S
[10:02] <Ghete1> ok guys
[10:02] <Ghete1> i need sleep
[10:02] <Ghete1> talk to you all later
[10:02] <mrmanic> Ghete1: good luck on your project
[10:02] <mrmanic> cya
[10:02] <Ghete1> thanks
[10:02] <Ghete1> cya
[10:02] <Ghete1> btw
[10:03] <Ghete1> when done with it i will post a nice howto
[10:03] <Ghete1> ciao!
[10:03] <Ghete1> crash!
[10:03] <mrmanic> oh I can't wait
[10:03] <mrmanic> I need to set that stuff up for my company :)
[10:03] <torz> hmm any recommendation for a decent divx codec?
[10:04] <nikkia> torz, xvid :)
[10:04] <torz> I got libdivx or whatever via apt and it sucks
[10:04] <torz> nikkia: sure :~) do you know the name of the package?
[10:04] <nikkia> xvidcore
[10:04] <torz> so I can get it with apt
[10:04] <torz> excellent :~)
[10:05] <nikkia> i find the ffmpeg (libavcodec) stuff more tolerant of dodgily encoded avis tho
[10:05] <torz> torum@titan:~$ sudo apt-get install xvidcore
[10:05] <torz> Password:
[10:05] <torz> Reading package lists... Done
[10:05] <torz> Building dependency tree... Done
[10:05] <torz> E: Couldn't find package xvidcore
[10:05] <nikkia> torz, its called 'libxvidcore' or something
[10:05] <torz> heh
[10:06] <nikkia> use aptitude/synaptic/etc :)
[10:06] <mrmanic> try apt-cache search xvid
[10:06] <torz> found it
[10:06] <torz> and apparently I've already got it :p
[10:07] <nikkia> argh, expletives!!!
[10:08] <nikkia> my customer released a new version of their SDK, which means they probably expect me to make all the changes they've requested and release today :(
[10:09] <mrmanic> ouch
[10:10] <torz> hey where does kaffeine look for its codecs? /usr/local/lib ??
[10:10] <torz> or does it look at multiple places
[10:10] <nikkia> torz, doesn't it just use whatever xine sees ?
[10:11] <torz> heh and what does xine see...
[10:11] <torz> oh so kaffeine is just a pretty interface for xine?
[10:11] <thoreauputic> torz: yup
[10:12] <nikkia> xine does a good enough job, so why not?
[10:13] <thoreauputic> torz: it looks in /usr/lib/win32 for the windows codecs, elsewhere for others (I'd have to look)
[10:13] <thoreauputic> nikkia: xine does an excellent job, yeah
[10:13] <torz> /usr/lib/win32/divxa32.acm
[10:13] <torz> /usr/lib/win32/divx_c32.ax
[10:13] <torz> /usr/lib/win32/divxc32.dll
[10:13] <torz> /usr/lib/win32/divxdec.ax
[10:13] <torz> /usr/lib/win32/divx.dll
[10:13] <torz> yep, apparently so :~)
[10:14] <nikkia> thoreauputic: i'd guess that it just uses whatever the search path for dlopen is :)
[10:14] <thoreauputic> xfmedia uses xine as a back end too
[10:14] <nikkia> (which is, presumably), LD_LIBRARY_PATH + ld.so.conf's paths
[10:14] <thoreauputic> nikkia: ah, I learnt something - thanks :)
[10:15] <nikkia> argh!
[10:16] <nikkia> that was a *really* bad move
[10:16] <nikkia> i just tried to search a 100MB imap directory in thunderbird
[10:18] <Skaag> so what I have a 1gb imap directory
[10:18] <Skaag> works fine
[10:18] <nikkia> skaag, over a 8KB/s VPN ?
[10:19] <nikkia> and doing an 'entire message' search?
[10:19] <Skaag> ouch
[10:19] <nikkia> thunderbird has to pull every message, and search locally
[10:19] <Skaag> no. over 1.5mbps
[10:19] <Skaag> ah, it doesn't use server side?
[10:19] <Skaag> ouch
[10:19] <nikkia> only for subject/sender
[10:19] <Skaag> I see.
[10:19] <nikkia> i don't think imap defines an 'entire message' search protocol
[10:35] <Edulix> hi !
[10:49] <Edulix> hey this is funny !
[10:49] <Tm_T> yes it is
[10:50] <Edulix> why is konversation using plastik theme instead of lipstick ? I'm puzzled :P
[10:50] <Edulix> and only seems to happen with konversation
[10:51] <Tm_T> uhm
[10:51] <Tm_T> dunno
[10:53] <shogouki> it uses lipstick here
[10:53] <Edulix> uhm, strange
[11:14] <Tm_T> ok, I'll be gone for a week or 4 ->
[11:21] <nikkia> urgh, i hate writing 'release estimate' emails
[11:21] <nikkia> i can never find a suitable way of saying 'well, it'll take me about 20 minutes, but i want some time to play nethack, so lets say 3 weeks'
[11:24] <qbit> i have lmsensors and ksensors installed and running but am looking for a way to control the fan speed(s)   <= suggestions welcome
[11:27] <nikkia> qbit, control the fan speed on what?
[11:27] <nikkia> the only 'fan speed control' i know about, is the one for toshiba laptops
[11:28] <qbit> a VIA KT0400A chipset Abit KD7A mobo - the cpu and North bridge fans
[11:29] <qbit> I've noticed that I can bump them down in the BIOS and FreeBSD doesn't touch this but in the Linux install the fans run full blast
[11:29] <nikkia> what you probably want, is a acpi fan speed control... but i don't know of any, i think if the fans are software controllable then they present a control under /proc/acpi/fan  but i can't confirm that, or how it works, as none of my systems have software controllable fans
[11:30] <Edulix> for dell you have i8k
[11:30] <nikkia> its *probably* just a '1 or 0' style control for on/off
[11:33] <qbit> I am seeing a /proc/acpi/fan/FAN/state, but this is probably just reading the speeds
[11:34] <Edulix> uhm who know
[11:34] <qbit> I know the hardware support is there because it works in the Abit utility under Windows
[11:34] <Edulix> uhm who knows
[11:35] <Edulix> try to sudo echo 1 >  /proc/acpi/fan/FAN/state
[11:37] <qbit> sudo gave me permission denied and as root it did nothing
[11:38] <qbit> i'll keep googling   :-)
[11:52] <tommorris> Hi.
[11:52] <tommorris> Can someone please come and seed kubuntu-5.04-dvd-powerpc.iso? We're all still stuck on 72.1%
[12:03] <juan> Hi, wirwzd, I am new to this, could you give me a hand?
[12:09] <nikkia> juan, what do you need a hand with?
[12:12] <juan> Hi, nikkia. Wel, this is the first time I enter IRC and I feel a bit lost
[12:13] <nikkia> juan, www.irchelp.org has some good info on general irc topics...
[12:14] <nikkia> but personally, i'd just suggest relaxing, and chatting, its all pretty easy to pick up :)
[12:15] <nikkia> morning cloud
[12:15] <juan> nikkia: tanks for your suggestion, I'm beginning to feel more confident. It seems easy enough
[12:26] <cloud> oh
[12:26] <cloud> good morning to you 
[12:26] <cloud> and to all
[12:27] <torz> good evening :p
[12:27] <rodolfo> hi, how do I disable the synchronisation of the clock during boot?
[12:27] <cloud> here is 12.27
[12:27] <cloud> :D
[12:27] <cloud> apt installs an older version of automake..
[12:27] <cloud> i need the latest to compile kdm-theme manager
[12:28] <cloud> _
[12:30] <nikkia> cloud, what's the latest version? i see 1.9 in the repository
[12:30] <nikkia> well, 1.9.4-1 to be exact
[12:30] <nikkia> 'automake' itself seems to be a virtual package pointing to 1.4
[12:30] <nikkia> cloud, if 1.9.4-1 is 'good enough' try installing 'automake1.9'
[12:33] <torz> nikkia: you know much about mplayer
[12:33] <nikkia> torz, a bit
[12:35] <torz> I want to specify mplayer to use xvid you told me about earlier, well I know that all I need to do is specify the codec with the -vc flag but mplayer seems to not see it :~(
[12:36] <torz> "mplayer -vc help" shows the available codecs
[12:36] <nikkia> hmmm, works here
[12:36] <nikkia> what error does mplayer report when you do -vc xvid ?
[12:37] <nikkia> or does it just fall back to ffmpeg ?
[12:38] <torz> Forced video codec: xvid
[12:38] <torz> Cannot find codec matching selected -vo and video format 0x30355844.
[12:38] <torz> Read DOCS/HTML/en/codecs.html!
[12:38] <nikkia> hmmmm
[12:39] <nikkia> that doesn't seem to be a divx/xvid file
[12:39] <nikkia> oh, its divx5
[12:40] <torz> mmm? how can you tell???
[12:40] <nikkia> (the video format is the fourcc code, which is four characters of ascii (in this case, backwards) '05XD'
[12:40] <nikkia> so, the fourcc is DX50 which is the fourcc for a divx5 encoded video
[12:41] <nikkia> there might be a way to force mplayer to ignore the fourcc, or at least, treat it as xvid, but i can't remember
[12:41] <torz> wait a minute, you're talking about the file you just played on your computer
[12:41] <nikkia> divx5 files *should* play with the xvid file
[12:41] <nikkia> torz, no, the file you tried to play
 Cannot find codec matching selected -vo and video format 0x30355844.
[12:42] <nikkia> 0x30355844 is 0 5 X D in ascii
[12:42] <torz> ah!
[12:42] <torz> I see
[12:43] <torz> mmm it seems mplayer cant see divx5
[12:43] <torz> it can see divx4
[12:44] <torz> torum@titan:~/temp$ mplayer -vc help | grep divx
[12:44] <nikkia> torz, ok, try this
[12:44] <torz> ffdivx      ffmpeg    working   FFmpeg DivX ;-) (MS MPEG-4 v3)  [msmpeg4] 
[12:44] <torz> ffodivx     ffmpeg    working   FFmpeg MPEG-4  [mpeg4] 
[12:44] <torz> odivx       odivx     working   OpenDivX API (ODIVX,DIVX4,DIVX5,XVID)  [libdivxdecore.so] 
[12:44] <torz> divx4       divx4     working   DivX4Linux API (DIVX4,DIVX5,XVID)  [libdivxdecore.so] 
[12:44] <torz> divx4vfw    vfw       problems  DivX4Windows-VFW  [divx.dll] 
[12:44] <torz> divxds      dshow     working   DivX ;-) (MS MPEG-4 v3)  [divx_c32.ax] 
[12:44] <torz> divx        vfw       working   DivX ;-) (MS MPEG-4 v3)  [divxc32.dll] 
[12:44] <Skaag> anyone heard of bluetooth audio working under linux?
[12:44] <nikkia> mplayer -vc xvid -ffourcc xvid  filename
[12:44] <nikkia> skaag, yes, by accident
[12:44] <Skaag> accident?!
[12:44] <Skaag> :-)
[12:44] <nikkia> skaag, i once accidently paired my phone to my PC as a headset, and got audio thru the PC when i received a call
[12:45] <torz> Unknown option on the command line: ffourcc :p
[12:45] <Skaag> LOL!!!
[12:45] <nikkia> torz, hmmm
[12:45] <nikkia> oh, its mencoder only, grr
[12:45] <Skaag> nikkia: you think it's possible to reproduce in a more stable manner? :-)
[12:45] <nikkia> skaag, sure, just pair it as a headset :)
[12:45] <Skaag> so that I will be able to have VOIP?
[12:45] <torz> but you see, mplayer doesnt even see xvid
[12:45] <Skaag> I do have a BT headset
[12:46] <torz> oh hang on
[12:46] <torz> it does.
[12:46] <torz> torum@titan:~/temp$ mplayer -vc help | grep xvid
[12:46] <torz> xvid        xvid      working   XviD (MPEG-4)  [libxvidcore.a] 
[12:46] <torz> my bad :p
[12:46] <nikkia> torz, i know HOW to fix it, but i don't want to suggest the method i know
[12:46] <nikkia> torz, because it involves editing files and is a permanent change
[12:46] <torz> nikkia: fair enough.
[12:47] <cloud> nikkia: i need at least the 1.6...apt installed the 1.4...why?
[12:47] <cloud> i',m using universe
[12:47] <nikkia> cloud, because 1.4 is the automake gnome relies on
[12:47] <nikkia> cloud, i imagine its a left-over from ubuntu
[12:47] <torz> nikkia: I think my problem will go away if I installed divx5 (which i'm sure it already has)...
[12:47] <cloud> 'left-over' ????
[12:48] <nikkia> cloud, as in, 'automake' -> 'automake1.4' is something the ubuntu people did, that has been retained for no real reason in kubuntu
[12:48] <nikkia> as i said, apt-get install automake1.9   should work
[12:49] <nikkia> torz, i haven't given up on your problem, still looking for a solution...
[12:49] <cloud> nikkia: it works.
[12:50] <torz> nikkia: well I'm trying to prove to myself that this machine already has divx5
[12:50] <nikkia> torz, ffmpeg is a better choice for dx50 files, imo
[12:51] <nikkia> torz, try playing it with -vc ffodivx
[12:51] <cloud> *** YOU'RE USING automake (GNU automake) 1.4-p6.
[12:51] <cloud> *** KDE requires automake 1.6
[12:52] <cloud> nikkia: no way...
[12:52] <cloud> and i installed the 1.9 as you said
[12:52] <nikkia> cloud, try putting this before the command:  'AUTOMAKE=automake1.9'
[12:52] <edulix> hi !
[12:52] <cloud> which command?
[12:52] <nikkia> ie, if you're doing ./configure, you'd do  AUTOMAKE=automake1.9 ./configure
[12:53] <edulix> I want to remove from konqueror the google search bar, how to do that ?
[12:53] <cloud> ah ok..i'm doing make -f Makefile.cvs
[12:53] <nikkia> cloud, ok, so:   AUTOMAKE=automake1.9  make -f Makefile.cvs
[12:53] <torz> nikkia: /usr/lib/libdivxdecore.so.5.0.1
[12:53] <cloud> ok thx
[12:53] <torz> nikkia: ill try your solution now
[12:53] <nikkia> kde *might* need 1.6 exactly tho
[12:53] <nikkia> in which case, you'll want 'automake1.6' installed :)
[12:54] <nikkia> cloud, this is the problem with automake, many packages depend on an exact version, so eventually you end up with every version installed :/
[12:54] <nikkia> (and you end up having to guess which is the right one, sometimes)
[12:56] <cloud> nikkia: in italian your name means "a small hole or spot where you can put some little objects"
[12:57] <cloud> however automake before the command didn't have effect.
[12:57] <cloud> :-( sob.
[12:57] <nikkia> cloud, my 'name' is just nikki with 'a' for my surname because nikki was already taken :P
[12:57] <nikkia> cloud, and i bet 'nikki' doesn't mean a small hole in italian
[12:57] <cloud> uhauhauhau
[12:57] <cloud> no man
[12:58] <cloud> it means "nikki"
[12:58] <cloud> ghghgh
[01:00] <cloud> nikki: i fixed the problem... i removed automake 1.4 and specified 1.9 as you said...now it works.
[01:00] <cloud> :D
[01:00] <cloud> going to lunch..see ya later
[01:00] <nikkia> i always find it kind of ironic that automake was supposed to remove a lot of 'weird dependancy issues when building stuff', yet has become its own dependancy nightmare
[02:13] <ztonzy> hmm
[02:14] <ztonzy> I accidently removed the Menulist in Konversation, how to bring it back ?
[02:14] <uniq> ctrl+m
[02:14] <uniq> i think.
[02:15] <ztonzy> wow, uniq thanks
[02:15] <uniq> :)
[02:17] <ztonzy> Konversation feels quite uniqe compared to x-chat
[02:19] <uniq> yes, konversation is nice.
[02:22] <nikkia> and i still say i prefer kvirc :P
[02:22] <nikkia> oddly, hardly any distros seem to include recent kvircs in their repositories tho
[02:26] <ztonzy> :-P
[02:32] <grand> Hello, I urgently need help. Please check this topic http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=45686
[02:32] <grand> and please, dont ban me for 'spamming'
[02:45] <ea065035> trying to set up dar/kdar and not getting there yet ... I think I have the compilers but the system tells me it cannot compile ...
[02:45] <ea065035> any ideas?
[02:45] <uniq> install 'build-essential'
[02:47] <ea065035> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:47] <ea065035>   build-essential: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or
[02:47] <ea065035>                             libc-dev
[02:47] <ea065035>                    Depends: g++ (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[02:47] <ea065035> E: Broken packages
[02:47] <ea065035> uniq: it tells me that "some packages could not be installed ... bla bla bla ... " and then the lines ve just pasted above :/
[02:48] <uniq> 'apt-get -f install'
[02:48] <uniq> 'apt-get update'
[02:48] <uniq> 'apt-get install build-essentil'
[02:49] <ea065035> uniq: it still gives me the same message :'( ... have I messed it up real good? :-/
[02:50] <uniq> did you change your /etc/apt/sources.list ? 
[02:50] <uniq> ?? sources.list
[02:50] <kinfo> [sources.list]  example /etc/apt/sources.list with all official repositories plus KDE 3.4.1 and Koffice 1.4 from kubuntu.org can be found at: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/303802
[02:51] <ea065035> i've just 'vi' into "sources.list" and it doesn't ring a bell = I have not done anything to it, as far as I know ...
[02:52] <ea065035> should I copy that file from 'kubuntu.pastebin" and check what happens?
[02:52] <ea065035> will it have consequences to other software that I may have installed already?
[02:55] <ea065035> uniq: i've just checked the webpage you've given me ... it does not look the same, some lines are similar, but some are missing ... I'm gonna give it a try ... i hope this doesn't blow on my face :D
[03:01] <ea065035> uniq: I changed the file in /etc/apt/ and repeat the line commands you told me above but still getting the same message ... anywayzzzz i'll try to find some info in a forum .. .thanx for your time and help :)
[03:02] <uniq> hmm.. does apt-get -f install give you an error? 
[03:02] <ea065035> nope ... it gives me this
[03:02] <ea065035> Reading package lists... Done
[03:02] <ea065035> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:02] <ea065035> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 123 not upgraded
[03:02] <uniq> oh. try 'apt-get -u dist-upgrade'
[03:04] <ea065035> i think i should tell that in the meanwhile i have tried running 'sudo apt-get install dar' and it has installed dar and libdar2 as new packages ... I thought i had it installed already ... :/ maybe it was a faulty installation ...
[03:04] <ea065035> should I try that command anyway?
[03:06] <ea065035> i'm running it ... it's going to upgrade 123 and install 12 new packages ...
[03:07] <ea065035> it's going to take about 10min :/ ...
[03:08] <ea065035> in the meanwhile ... could I ask you something about 'default locale'? i thing i have messed up a bit more than I thought :/
[03:10] <ea065035> basically ... i'm working on a spanish laptop in the UK ... and i get a 'perl: warning:' message = 'Setting locale failed' ... 'Please check that your locale settings ... are supported and installed on your system' ... and it wants to use GB settings ... where could I learn about this?
[03:13] <uniq> 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'
[03:13] <uniq> select the ones you want.
[03:15] <ea065035> thanks very much uniq i'll do that when the installation is finished ... just in case ... you've saved me from another no-sleep night :-D ...
[03:15] <uniq> hope it works :)
[04:33] <sdogi> what do i need to apt-get to get normal xmms fonts
[04:33] <sdogi> i can't find the page that had this info
[04:51] <bamboe> /surabaya//
[04:51] <sdogi> blablablablablabla
[04:53] <gnuton> Hi all! =)
[04:57] <bamboe> hh
[04:57] <bamboe> hhhhhhhh
[04:57] <bamboe> hhhh
[04:57] <bamboe> hhh
[04:57] <bamboe> h
[05:07] <edulix> hi !
[05:07] <edulix> hey, anyone could tell me howto successfully see the qt4 movie in quicktime 7 preview format ? kaffeine crashes to me
[05:41] <thopkins> I have having problems with setting sound up using a SB Live card, does anyone have any ideas?
[05:42] <ubuntu> thopkins: what kinda problems?
[05:43] <skullbourne> forgive thopkins, he is at work and a bit of a slow typer ;)
[05:44] <andkore> k :)
[05:44] <andkore> i am too
[05:44] <skullbourne> I was helping him earlier, but I was reading chat transcripts to help, so I told him to just pop here and ask for direct support
[05:46] <andkore> k
[05:46] <thopkins> alsamixer : function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[06:07] <kalenedrael> wow, this really keeps me awak
[06:07] <kalenedrael> e
[06:22] <thopkins> quit
[06:35] <mrmanic> hey monchy 
[06:38] <monchy> hey
[06:38] <ea065035> anyone could help me with a "little" problem with DAR?
[06:39] <Pointwood> anyone with access to the kubuntu.org site around?
[06:58] <mikeee> Pointwood: i can get on
[06:59] <Pointwood> mikeee: the iso download link on the frontpage is wrong
[06:59] <mikeee> oh, i thought you meant just being able to access it :)
[07:00] <Pointwood> hehe
[07:00] <Pointwood> nope :)
[07:00] <mikeee> seems to be working for me though . . .
[07:00] <Pointwood> the download link?
[07:01] <mikeee> were you looking to download or just being helpful?
[07:01] <mikeee> yeah
[07:01] <Pointwood> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[07:01] <Pointwood> I get: Forbidden
[07:01] <Pointwood> You don't have permission to access /kubuntu/hoary/ on this server.
[07:01] <Pointwood> Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
[07:01] <mikeee> that's not found
[07:02] <mikeee> strange
[07:02] <Pointwood> I am downloading 
[07:02] <mikeee> I just got on through the main page
[07:02] <mikeee> but now it's forbidden
[07:02] <mikeee> probably some server thing
[07:02] <Pointwood> guessed a working link :)
[07:02] <Pointwood> http://releases.ubuntulinux.org/kubuntu/hoary/
[07:03] <mikeee> hehe :)
[07:12] <Mahl> Anybody know where i can get hold of libtag (taglib) 1.3.2 or newer? Synaptic comes with 1.3.1...A debian package or source code distribution?
[07:48] <godsmoke> Mahl: have you tried google?
[07:49] <godsmoke> a search for "taglib 1.3.2" returned 28,300 results
[07:49] <godsmoke> I think you can manage that
[08:06] <ep> Whats the procedure for getting colorized output on the ls command in a  konsole terminal?  Using alias?
[08:07] <kalenedrael> no
[08:07] <kalenedrael> lscolors
[08:07] <kalenedrael> or something like that
[08:07] <ep> yeah ls --colors
[08:08] <kalenedrael> well, you can set it with the "dircolors" program
[08:08] <kalenedrael> man dircolors
[08:08] <ep> It seem many distro's do this by default without me haveing tto use the colors option.
[08:08] <kalenedrael> yes
[08:08] <ep> ok i'll do this
[08:08] <kalenedrael> i had to set it manually to get colored ls in eterm
[08:20] <v2> hello
[08:48] <Mahl> yeah
[08:49] <Mahl> cus u search for taglib and 1.3.2
[08:49] <Mahl> but if you search for taglib 1.3.2 as one word
[08:49] <Mahl> you get 9 results
[09:00] <rarn> hello everyone
[09:03] <rarn> anyone have luck with hp officejet scanning using hplip?
[09:03] <rarn> i've read a bunch of docs/howtos in the forums
[09:04] <rarn> scanimage -L finds my scanner, but xsane or kooka do not :(
[09:11] <rarn> everyone's sleeping :)
[10:03] <lippel> which gcc version is recommended to be used in kubuntu (5.04)?
[10:11] <grand> I have problem with DNS configuration. After kubuntu restart, I have only two, external deafault namesrerver, but there is no the one from my LAN
[10:12] <nikkia> grand, most likely, you're getting those 2 from DHCP and its overwriting your /etc/resolv.conf
[10:12] <grand> I add manualy 'nameserver 192.168.1.1'
[10:12] <nikkia> there is a command you can add to /etc/network/interfaces that will manually add extra nameserver lines to /etc/resolv.conf when the interface comes up
[10:12] <grand> well, the stuff what you said makes sense to me
[10:13] <grand> dns-nameserver
[10:13] <grand> ?
[10:13] <nikkia> could be, let me check
[10:13] <grand> ok
[10:13] <nikkia> just 'nameserver' apparently
[10:14] <grand> oh, i can add this line anywhere, or it is necessary to add it after used eth device?
[10:15] <nikkia> it has to be in the block corresponding to the interface you want to add it for
[10:16] <grand> thanks for help, ill reboot and see if it works
[10:17] <grand> uh, btw - I have a little question(I suppose every n00b ask this after migration from M$ to Linux system)
[10:17] <grand> I noticed, that everything in KDE is so BIG
[10:17] <grand> I mean fonts are big, icons are huge
[10:18] <nikkia> could be the DPI setting
[10:18] <aseigo> grand: you can adjust this all to taste in the control center. fonts, icon sizes, everything
[10:18] <grand> yeah, in M$ i was just increasing resolution
[10:18] <grand> :D
[10:19] <nikkia> aseigo, i suspect he means that they are abnormally big - i've seen it happen before, X gets its DPI from the monitor, which sometimes lies and says silly things like 1000 dpi :P
[10:19] <aseigo> grand: by "huge" ... what do you mean? i believe we default to 32px icons in most places, with 22px on the toolbar
[10:19] <aseigo> nikkia: ah, that will do it as well =)
[10:19] <nikkia> seems to happen more with LCD/TFTs than CRTs
[10:22] <grand> hang on, making screenshot
[10:24] <nikkia> grand, also look at xdpyinfo see what the 'resolution' line in that says - that's the DPI
[10:24] <nikkia> the output of xdpyinfo, that is :)
[10:25] <grand> resolution:    101x108 dots per inch
[10:25] <nikkia> hmmm, doesn't sound too abnormal, would suggest something like a 15" LCD at 1280x1024
[10:26] <grand> i have 17" CRT
[10:26] <nikkia> still doesn't sound absurd
[10:26] <grand> well, i am minimalist :D
[10:27] <nikkia> i'm at 95x96 on a 17" LCD so 101x108 isn't much different
[10:27] <grand> breeze simplified is the best opera skin for me :D
[10:27] <grand> ] http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4151/big1fw.png
[10:28] <grand> The horizontal, blue bar on top that says Konversation is big for me, fonts are big.
[10:29] <godsmoke> so make them smaller?
[10:29] <grand> I would like everything at least twice times smaller :D
[10:29] <nikkia> grand, change the fonts in the control center then :)
[10:29] <godsmoke> exactly
[10:29] <grand> godsmoke, i forgot to mention that i am newb
[10:29] <nikkia> the default title bar was too big for me, so i dropped it to 8pt text
[10:29] <godsmoke> I mean -- this isn't rocket science
[10:29] <godsmoke> yeah, 8pt freesans is what I use
[10:31] <nikkia> godsmoke: bold or normal?
[10:31] <grand> Ok, wont you get upset if i ask another question?
[10:31] <nikkia> i find normal freesans is too 'faint' for the title bar
[10:31] <godsmoke> nikkia: do whatever you want
[10:31] <godsmoke> whatever
[10:31] <godsmoke> it's not a big deal
[10:31] <grand> oh, ok
[10:32] <nikkia> godsmoke: already have it how i like, was just curious if you found 8pt freesans normal readable for the title bar text
[10:32] <godsmoke> nikkia: oh, uh, yes, readable
[10:32] <godsmoke> I like small small text
[10:32] <nikkia> gods, its not the size i find the problem, it just seems to be 'faint' somehow
[10:32] <godsmoke> I run 3 20.1" lcds at 1600x1200 each, about 4 feet away from my head
[10:32] <nikkia> could be colour choice vs AA
[10:33] <nikkia> grand, just ask, we're not likely to be upset...
[10:34] <grand> Currently I am using English language, but soon I would like to use my Native language(parents uses my PC too :/ ). And, where will I find fonts, that has my native marks(), and how do I install these fonts?
[10:34] <godsmoke> install the corresponding locale
[10:35] <moshe> hello, folks
[10:35] <grand> i dont get it, i am really newbie
[10:35] <godsmoke> grand: well, if you don't get something that someone says -- you can look it up
[10:35] <lippel> grand:  kde-i18n-pl (if i recall correctly)
[10:35] <moshe> I just installed redhat's artwork per the instructions someone gave on the ubuntu forums, and everything except the qt themes seem to be working, despite the fact that the files are where they belong in /usr/lib/qt-3.3/plugins/styles/
[10:36] <nikkia> grand, most of the default fonts are fairly comprehensive unicode fonts, and should include most characters you'll want
[10:36] <moshe> does anyone know what I could do to remedy this?
[10:36] <lippel> grand: afaik, most fonts supports polish special characters
[10:36] <nikkia> grand, unless, you happen to be inuit, or something, in which case you're screwed :)
[10:36] <lippel> grand: at least the default fonts
[10:37] <moshe> unless they belong in the qt-3 directory, instead of qt-3.3
[10:37] <moshe> hmmm
[10:37] <grand> ok, wait a while I'll try something
[10:39] <mcquaid> hey all
[10:39] <mcquaid> how do i install an icon pack?
[10:39] <mcquaid> i don't want to do it via the control center as thats just for one user, i want it globally
[10:40] <grand> nikka, where can i set up encoding to UTF-8 ?
[10:40] <grand> i am sorry, 'nikkia'
[10:40] <nikkia> grand, it should be, already
[10:41] <nikkia> some apps won't honour UTF-8, but that's part of life
[10:41] <lippel> grand: hrm, the default font seems not to support only 
[10:42] <lippel> grand: but e.g. "nimbus sans l" supports them all
[10:44] <grand> lippel, youre right
[10:54] <grand> nikkia, I have restarted kubuntu to check if the dns server is set up right, and... no
[10:54] <nikkia> grand, hmm
[10:56] <armer> hey all, my wifi card is only working when I enable the 'irqpoll' option at boot time
[10:56] <armer> it complains of irq #9: nobody cared
[10:56] <armer> and disabling irq #9
[10:57] <nikkia> grand, try 'dns-nameservers' instead of nameserver
[10:57] <armer> anyone have a permanent solution for this?
[11:06] <grand> nikkia, how do i delete unused network interfaces, so kernel wont load them?
[11:06] <grand> i would like not to use eth1 and eth2
[11:07] <lippel> grand: i would just leave that untouched
[11:08] <lippel> as long as your wifi (?) works...
[11:08] <grand> lippel, why?
[11:08] <grand> no its not wifi
[11:08] <grand> normal LAN
[11:08] <moshe> hey folks
[11:08] <grand> hello again
[11:08] <moshe> heh
[11:08] <moshe> having fun with kubuntu so far.
[11:09] <moshe> this is only the third distro that's lasted longer than a week on my machine. :)
[11:09] <grand> wha... i cant have fun with kubuntu, as i cant do anything 1337 for myself :D
[11:10] <moshe> err
[11:10] <moshe> sorry :)
[11:10] <grand> lippel, so maybe you will tell me whats happening.
[11:10] <moshe> I'm amazed at the difference in speed between Kubuntu and Slackware
[11:11] <moshe> there must be some different compiling options, because KDE on Slackware with linux 2.4 is faster on my machine than Mandrake with 2.6 was.
[11:11] <grand> after each system startup, my resolv.conf is reset to default
[11:11] <scotdb> Currently installing Kubuntu to replace my Debian Sid "home server"
[11:11] <scotdb> I'll probably have questions ;-)
[11:11] <grand> and there is no my default LAN nameserver
[11:12] <grand> heh, i was talking to him and he left
[11:12] <moshe> I've never dealt in the server side, to my dismay
[11:12] <grand> anyone else can help me?
[11:12] <grand> its hard to browse internet w/o well working DNS
[11:16] <grand> nikkia, how do i delete unused network interfaces, so kernel wont load them?
[11:16] <grand> lippel, so maybe you will tell me whats happening.
[11:17] <grand> after each system startup, my resolv.conf is reset to default
[11:17] <grand> and there is no my default nameserver on the list
[11:17] <lippel> grand: do you use dhcp?
[11:17] <grand> yes
[11:19] <grand> resolv.conf contains some IPs to nameservers - but this ip does not come from my network
[11:21] <grand> lippel, it would not be a problem, because i could set up nameserver manualy, but something overwrites my manual settings in resolv.conf after system restart
[11:22] <lippel> grand: afaik these settings are sent by the dhcp server
[11:22] <grand> hmm... and these settings are supposed to work well, right?
[11:22] <grand> well, ill make a little test, please wait
[11:23] <grand> ok, i had to wait about 15secs before dns responded and resolved domain
[11:24] <grand> under windows, its done instantly
[11:24] <lippel> have you set the nameserver manually there?
[11:25] <lippel> maybe you have to fix it on your router?
[11:25] <grand> no, its set up by dhcp
[11:25] <grand> oh, but under windowz it works without any problems
[11:26] <lippel> have a look into /etc/network/interfaces
[11:27] <grand> iface lo inet loopback
[11:27] <grand> auto lo eth0
[11:27] <grand> iface eth2 inet dhcp
[11:27] <grand> iface eth1 inet dhcp
[11:27] <grand> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[11:27] <grand> nameserver 192.168.1.1
[11:39] <cies> hi!
[11:40] <cies> i want to install kdelibs4-dev... thats all, but to install this i need about 55 other *-dev packages (alltogether ~70MB) do i really need this?
[11:53] <McScruff> ello
[11:56] <gdh> arf
[12:00] <Xaqueth> Hello. I have Kubuntu 5.04. Problem is, system freezes totally, as it seems, same time every day, about midnight. It doesn't seem to have an effect with running different programs, system still freezes. I have no idea how to start fixing the problem, can anyone point some directions? Googling didn't help me much.