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Kamion  mcmurdo.buildd: forward host lookup failed: Unknown host01:15
lamontKamion: sounds about right01:15
Kamionis that not a machine that does d-i builds any more?01:16
lamontd-i is vernadsky.buildd01:16
Kamionwhat's the current set?01:16
KamionI have mcmurdo hooker ross yellow01:16
lamontvernadsky, ross, yellow, hooker01:16
lamontmcmurdo was a .5TB box, which them launchpad? folks stole from us01:17
lamontdude.  we got a dell.01:17
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lamontwhere is pitti so I can hit him???? huh???01:19
wasabi_I need some packages moved to universe. ;)01:20
maeum, memory management is done by parents with gtk right?01:32
maefor widgets?01:32
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lamontwhat's the 'buntu' suffix, I wonder?01:54
tsenginfinity: did you get my mail?02:08
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wasabipost update interaction!!!02:55
lamontKamion: you around?03:00
lamonthrm.. .actually, it's not too hard to check that myself..03:01
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lamonthrm.. actually... anyone with a jackass login around?03:03
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tsengnice vlc is horribly uninstallable03:04
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watersevenHi there... is anyone here that does translations? need some help finding a template.04:28
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infinitytseng : The mail about whacky mono segfaults?04:52
infinitytseng : I looked at it briefly a few days ago, then got swamped.04:53
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alvarosomebody know the reason why can't use directy the nvidia drivers from the nvidia page?05:29
whiprushnvidia drivers are included in ubuntu. (this question is best for #ubuntu instead of here)05:31
alvarobut if I compile the kernel... how install this modules?05:31
alvaroI install the nvidia drivers from the www.nvidia.com and now can't go back to my old configuration05:32
jdubalvaro: why did you need to recompile your kernel?05:34
jdubyou can probably try to build linux-restricted-modules against your kernel05:34
alvarobecause I can't active the dma in my dvd05:35
whiprushif you did rebuild your kernel make sure /usr/src/linux points to the right source, the nvidia drivers should just find it.05:35
jdubalvaro: you can do that without rebuilding your kernel, just use hdparm05:35
alvarowhen I use hdparm say: invalid instruction05:36
whiprushMr. Dub: I hear toronto is a possible location for the next conference?05:36
jdubwhiprush: hrm, not hugely likely; south america more so05:36
whiprushstill cheaper than europe for me05:37
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jdubyeah :)05:37
whiprushalvaro: I usually enable dma on a drive in /etc/hdparm.conf (iirc)05:37
whiprushlemme bust out my laptop and check.05:37
alvaroI tried but not work05:38
whiprushand you're sure the drive supports dma? (I assume so since it's a dvd drive)05:39
whiprushjdub: dude, networkmagic on a laptop is a wonderful thing, I've been suspending and having it Just Work all day long.05:39
whiprushdifferent aps and locations too.05:40
whiprushI'm going to buy thom a big batch of $LOCAL_BEER at the next conference.05:40
alvarothis my problem when y try to activate: HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument05:40
alvaroits a dvd drive, y sure because the driver work with dma in other pc05:41
whiprushyou sure the syntax is right?05:41
alvaro, /dev/hda because I have a sata hd05:42
whiprushok, I'd do two things, a) submit your hardware config via hwdb-client, and then file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com on it.05:42
whiprushmake sure you put as much detail in the comments in hwdb-client, when it submits it'll get looked at eventually.05:43
alvaroI think that the chipset is the reason05:44
ajmitchjdub: when is it likely to be?05:44
alvaroI try to install the ndorce chipset module...05:44
whiprushwell, when you submit it'll send along the hardware config, the important thing is that you submit it so a developer can get to it.05:44
alvarook, I do it05:45
alvarobut now I can't run X... how can I reconfigure to my old configuration?05:46
jdubajmitch: october, november05:46
ajmitchjdub: great, I'll start saving then :)05:47
alvaroI try to reinstall the nvidia dirvers how in unoficial guide, but I can't run X05:47
whiprushalvaro: most of the people in here are busy fixing up the next release, it's best if you ask in #ubuntu.05:48
alvarothanks whiprush05:48
whiprushno problem, good luck!05:49
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fabbioneMithrandir: xcursor is still FTBFS06:40
fabbioneeven with xorg -3306:40
Lathiatuh all X upgrade06:50
lamontfabbione: xcursor is missing a build-dep in ubuntu1 - did a new upload happen there yet?06:55
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Mithrandirlamont: no, I haven't uploaded the new version07:41
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Burgundaviajust saw what google is funding08:07
Burgundaviavery nice stuff08:07
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whiprushjdub: hey planet.u.c doesn't highlight links at all08:20
whiprushlike, I had to hover my mouse over you thurott entry to find the link08:20
jdubonly on some links, too08:21
whiprushyeah, odd08:21
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jdubi hate wrangling with the plone css08:21
jdubi'm probably going to rip it out08:22
whiprushthat whole "bottom row of an entry being clickable" is kind of suck for both planets08:22
robitaillewhiprush:  in blogger, I have to make sure all my blog text entries are delimited by <p> </p> so that the links work on planet08:22
whiprushrobitaille: mine are like that in typepad also08:22
jdubwhiprush: that's being fixed (same with the top)08:22
whiprushyeah, on a pad on a laptop, planet's been sucking lately.08:23
whiprushwith that bug 08:23
highvoltageBurgundavia: what is google funding?08:24
Burgundaviahighvoltage, google summer of code08:25
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whiprushheya pitti08:26
whiprushheya to you too sabdfl. :p08:27
fabbionehey pitti08:27
fabbionemorning sabdfl 08:27
Simiramorning all08:27
whiprushhey fabbio.08:27
fabbionehi whiprush 08:28
sabdflwell howdy guys08:28
whiprushman, I almost forgot to say, our loco is over 20 now.08:28
sabdfledu-buntu summit in london today!08:28
sabdflwhiprush: stormin!08:28
sabdfldid you guys read the LinuxTag summary from JoshKress? awesome08:28
whiprushsabdfl: we're determined to make detroit a destination on the world tour.08:28
whiprushyeah, read it a few hours ago, wish it had some pics though.08:29
Burgundaviawhiprush, you have more in detroit than I do in my entire loco08:29
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fabbionesabdfl: some good news from ports.u.c.. sparc buildd's are idling for the first time in a year or so :-) we might get out this time :)08:29
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sabdflfabbione: how the installer look?08:30
whiprushBurgundavia: don't be discouraged, half our people are just "students interested in linux". Getting them there is easy, getting them to stay and help out is ... as you can imagine, difficult.08:30
fabbionesabdfl: i need to work on it.. the hoary one was ok.. in breezy is FTBFS atm...08:30
fabbionesabdfl: but we will get it there ;)08:30
Burgundaviawhiprush, we were too busy gutting ourselves over who to have a contact person08:31
sabdflfabbione: anybody out there helping you?08:31
Burgundaviawhiprush, and it wasn't robitaille or myself (the only 2 canadian members)08:31
Amaranthwhere is the list of things google is funding?08:31
fabbionesabdfl: we had quite of a problem with kernel due to an arbitrary change in glibc elf header... 08:31
BurgundaviaAmaranth, BreezyBounties on the udu wiki08:31
fabbionesabdfl: yes... a bunch of people fixing stuff around08:31
whiprushBurgundavia: scott balenaves from ltsp is an ubuntu guy, make him #3. 08:32
fabbionesabdfl: or extremely cooperative...08:32
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Burgundaviawhiprush, he is a canuck? bradb is also one08:32
whiprushBurgundavia: so you have 4, see, you've already doubled your numbers!08:32
Burgundaviawhiprush, bradb works for canonical, so he doesn't count08:32
Amaranthwhat's with the overuse of the udu wiki?08:33
Amaranthsomeone got the FindingPackages bounty? :/08:34
Amaranthoh well, i wasn't going to have time to work on it anyway08:34
robitailleBurgundavia: don't worry, one day the Canadian LoCo will been flying high.  It will just a bit more effort...and time08:34
Burgundaviawhen everybody buys my Inuktitut idea08:34
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robitailleBurgundavia:  it is a good idea...just a bit different, and tough to do without local people helping us in the north08:35
Burgundaviathat is what government funding is for08:36
Burgundaviaahh, tabs turning blue everywhere!08:36
whiprushscott works for the local government in winnipeg and admins quite a number of thin clients running linux and OOo, get him on board!08:36
Burgundaviawhiprush, got an email?08:36
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=== Burgundavia used to be a contracter to the gov, and used windows
HrdwrBoBI work for the government and we use ubuntu because I Say08:37
robitailleBurgundavia:  we're mostly a Mandrake shop for the desktop, but with some Windows machines; the local system admin doesn't want to touch sometjing he isn't familiar with08:38
Burgundaviaprov gov is all XP08:39
sabdflBurgundavia: it will change08:39
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Burgundavianot within 10 years, unless the gov does08:39
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ivoksall my servers are ubuntu :)08:42
ivoksexcept one08:42
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robitaillesabdfl:  not clear it will change that easily; we are mostly Linux locally , but higher up they are all Windows; obtained with department-wide contracts that pay Microsoft money per number of employees, no matter if they use Windows/Office or not; so at one point a department has to ask the question:  why some of us don't use the Microsoft products that have already been paid for.08:42
Mithrandirfabbione: new xcursor uploading now.08:42
whiprushivoks: I had to choose a distro before hoary was ready, so I'm with sarge for all our stuff.08:42
ivokswhiprush: i had sarge too on my servers08:42
ivokswhiprush: i upgraded/downgraded them to hoary08:43
ivokson-line, without reboot :)08:43
fabbioneMithrandir: ok thanks08:43
Burgundaviaand the entire prov gov is one big contract with two local companies and IBM supplying hardware08:43
whiprushBurgundavia: I used to work for a US government contractor, I can so feel your pain on this.08:44
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sabdflrobitaille: interesting, the "pay irrespective" idea08:44
sabdflrobitaille: i think those contracts were popular when people figured there was no alternative08:45
Burgundaviathey are still popular08:45
sabdflas soon as they think there IS an alternative, those contracts come up for review08:45
Burgundaviahere in Canada and the US at least08:45
Burgundaviawhere we are wealthy enough to pay the MS tax08:45
sabdflyes, that's part of it08:45
sabdflin developing countries, afaics they are all looking to migrate big chunks08:46
Burgundaviaor they use pirated windows08:46
whiprushdepends on the contract. Here in the US there are provisions for every federal contract for small and minority-owned busineses. 08:46
Burgundaviathe "buy canadian" thing is also starting to penetrate the minds of canadian politicians08:47
Burgundaviamost especially after the patriot act thing08:47
ivoksour goverment has a contract with MS08:47
whiprushthey won't big contracts but in many defense contracts the big companies will subcontract to smaller companies to win the contract.08:47
whiprushfor example, if you're a native indian alaskan and own a logistics company, there is plenty of money to be made.08:48
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whiprushbut on the upside, a good percentage of the us govt is still using novell, so there's some kind of hope for linux in there somewhere.08:49
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robitailleBurgundavia:  the "buy canadian" hasn't  work before; Corel at one point sued and won against the Canadian Government since bidding process was unfairly biased against them toward Microsoft (http://www.washingtontechnology.com/news/14_21/federal/1046-1.html).  Now we have very lengthy bidding process for Office suites, but Microsoft still wins every single time08:53
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Amaranthmp1: On GnomePanelEnhancements, you can use <Layout> tags in the menu files to order things and make sure they stay order that way (instead of being alphabetized)08:54
whiprushfabbione: question: I happen to have a madwifi card, while debugging networkmanager, is the driver in l-r-m as important as the wireless-tools? I don't want submit bugs to network-manager if it's a madwifi issue. 08:55
whiprushso am I better off submitting bugs to network-manager now, or wait for the madwifi update in l-r-m?08:56
pittiHey ajmitch 08:58
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Amaranthhmm, it seems lots of hoary users are finding out that i broke gnome-app-install :)09:10
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Amaranthwell, pyxdg broke it, but smeg needs the latest pyxdg so...09:11
hungerIs there a reason for using pngs as backgrounds for gnome? Saving the image as jpg would shrink it by more than a factor of 20.09:12
Burgundaviais hdd space still a factor anywhere?09:12
Amaranthpng is free09:12
hungerBurgundavia: I find it annoying to waste space.09:13
highvoltagehunger: what's more annoying? a few kb less space, or ugly, distorted images in your working environment?09:14
hungerBurgundavia: And It is a difference whether I have to download 30k or 900k on upload (minus compression from deb).09:14
hungerhighvoltage: ? Do you really see a difference between jpg and png?09:14
highvoltagehunger: yes09:15
Amaranthyes, compressing a png into a jpg will make a smaller image09:15
Burgundaviabut I don't see the win09:15
Amaranthbut it will make an image that looks worse, you're transcoding09:15
Burgundaviaif you have a slow connection, download elsewhere09:15
Burgundaviaor usethe default09:15
hungerAmaranth: The default background does not have that many details that can get lost;-)09:16
hungerBurgundavia: I am talking about the two default images.09:16
Burgundaviathe space saving on the disk is not worth the lost clarity09:16
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hungerBurgundavia: The non-ws one is ~870k as png and ~38 as jpg.09:17
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hungerBurgundavia: What do you mean by clarity?09:17
highvoltagehunger: jpeg distorts images. if you see it often in highly compressed images, you get sensitive toward it.09:19
highvoltagewhich is why many of us stick to .png (after we've tried to over-optimise some web pages in the 90's)09:19
Amaranthoh, the pngs are lossless?09:19
HrdwrBoBhighvoltage: you know, both png and jpeg have adjustable compression :)09:19
highvoltagenope, but they look much better.09:19
HrdwrBoBAmaranth: they can be lossy or lossless09:19
highvoltageHrdwrBoB: I know, but jpeg is more lossy, afaik09:20
AmaranthHrdwrBoB: I know. :) I was asking if the backgrounds were lossless.09:20
hungerhighvoltage: The factor 20 is with 90% quality setting for jpg. There is no visible difference.09:20
highvoltagehunger: a png with the same compression will be smaller as a jpg with the same compression, and the quality will be better.09:21
highvoltage(ime, anyway)09:21
Amaranthhunger: You looked at them at 640x480 resolution, right?09:21
hungerhighvoltage: Even with a quality setting of 70% the image is basically identical to the png... jpg is ideal for the image that is used as the default background.09:21
hungerAmaranth: I look at the image at 400%.09:22
highvoltagehunger: fine, convert all your ubuntu images to jpeg's then :)09:23
hungerhighvoltage: Sorry, but that is crap... png and jpg use *WAY* different algorithms. You can not really compare the compression technics.09:23
HrdwrBoByou can09:23
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HrdwrBoBthey're both compression techniques for images to display pictures09:23
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highvoltagehunger: of course you can compare them, even though they encode images differently. anyway, this is a silly discussion. google png vs jpg instead, we're wasting irc space.09:24
hungerhighvoltage: I do know both compression technics.09:26
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pittihunger: in general, jpg is suitable for photo-like pictures, png for drawings (sharp edges)09:26
hungerpitti: I know both jpg and png compression technics.09:27
hungerpitti: The default ubuntu background is a perfect match for jpg compression, which is why I was suggesting to use that.09:27
Amaranthdoes ubuntu use jpg for anything?09:28
pittihunger: right09:28
hungerAmaranth: Most kde backgroungs.09:28
Amaranthisn't there a patent on jpg that just hasn't been enforced? (like gif was)09:28
hungerAmaranth: kubuntu comes with about 50 backgrounds and uses about 5 times the space of the 2 gnome ones.09:29
hungerAmaranth: Not that I am aware of... but possible.09:29
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hungerAmaranth: In fact: So do I;-)09:29
Burgundaviakde is all about more options09:29
Amaranthha, IBM says they've been able to build G5s for laptops this whole time09:30
hungerWell, encode your pictures however you want... I do not have to care about the bandwith to update them whichever format you are going to use.09:32
Amaranthi don't think they ever get updated09:33
Amaranthwhat's the package name?09:33
hungerAmaranth: Yes... considering that they are still called warty;-)09:33
hungerAmaranth: ubuntu-artwork09:34
Amaranth3 different debs09:35
Amaranthcould just be 3 different versions of ubuntu09:35
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pittistupid me -- /etc/init.d/gdm stop != /etc/init.d/gpm stop09:53
hungerpitti: You are doing this too?09:54
pittihunger: I fixed a gpm bug in the init script, but mistyped...09:54
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pittiHey trulux 10:09
truluxhey pitti 10:09
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shackanhi pitti10:19
pittiHi shackan 10:19
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shackanI'm one of the lucky guys doing the SoC with you, remember ?10:20
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Amaranthwhich one are you? your whois doesn't have a name10:21
pittishackan: of course, I already missed you :-)10:21
shackansorry but I was without an internet connection until yesterday10:21
shackanpitti, I have a question, is it ok if I put the code on berlios ?10:22
pittiHey Kamion 10:23
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pittishackan: I don't mind where the code is, as long as I can download it (what's berlios?)10:23
pittishackan: will you use a vcs? Maybe even arch? :-)10:24
shackanberlios relies on svn, but it seems they have cvs too10:24
shackanbtw, what is arch ? :)10:25
Amaranthhook him up with bzr? :)10:25
pittishackan: sure, that looks fine; however, please use svn, cvs is soo evil10:25
pittiAmaranth: good idea :-)10:25
Amarantharch is a distributed vcs10:25
pittishackan: GNU arch is another version control system; one particular implementation ("bazaar") is very popular among the Ubuntu developers 10:26
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pittishackan: it has a strong emphasis on branching 10:26
shackanmmkay, sorry I didn't know that10:26
Amaranthbasically anyone can work on something with full vcs capabilities on their own branch then just point you to the branch when they're done10:26
pittiwell, svn is certainly fine for now10:26
pittishackan: see Amaranth, right; and then you can merge and cherrypick from each other10:27
shackannice :)10:27
Amaranthbazaar-ng usable yet?10:29
Amarantherr, that should have an is10:29
pittiAmaranth: I use it for pmount now10:29
pittiAmaranth: I emulate "push" with a wrapper that calls rsync 10:29
pittiAmaranth: but pull, commit, diff, log, merge, etc. work fine10:30
Amaranthwhat about pull?10:30
Amaranthoh, pull is done?10:30
pittibzr is a breeze, it's so much easier to set up than bazaar-ng10:30
pittierm, bazaar10:30
pittiit always takes me a while to get a newbie going with baz10:31
Amaranthhrm, didn't debian have a newer version of bzr once?10:31
Amaranthi mean, they had a version newer than ubuntu's version10:31
pittiAmaranth: 0.0.5 is in breezy too, but it's ftbfs10:32
Amaranthah, that's what it was10:32
pittiAmaranth: I nagged bob2___ a while ago, but he didn't fix it yet10:32
Amaranthok, bzr lovers, use debian! :D10:32
pittiAmaranth: I use bzr bzr head :-)10:32
Amaranththat's kinda funny10:32
pittiAmaranth: I just downloaded bzr.dev and do a "bzr pull" from time to time. 0.0.5 doesn't have merge yet10:33
lifelesspitti: lol10:33
pittilifeless: ?10:34
lifeless"bzr is a breeze, it's so much easier to set up than bazaar-ng"10:34
pittilifeless: conceptually10:34
lifelessoh its true10:34
lifelessit was the bzr is easier than bzr thing I laughed at10:34
pittilifeless: personally I really love baz, but explaining all the id and archive setup always takes a while for newbies10:35
lifelesssweet, thanks10:35
pittilifeless: <pitti> erm, bazaar :-)10:35
lifeless1.5 is bringing in much nicer inventory management10:35
lifelessshould make some performance difference too ;)10:35
pittilifeless: btw, thanks for fixing relative paths with undo/commit - that really sucked10:35
lifelesspitti: cool10:36
lifelessleonerd did the heavy lifting there, if you want to thank him ;)10:36
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Amaranthnow we just need a bzr gnome-vfs backend that does branches on copy (from remote to local) and merges on copy (from local to remote?)10:39
pittiAmaranth: a copy _is_ a branch in bzr (there's no explicit branch command AFAIK)10:40
Amaranthwell, i meant something like DnD from nautilus windows10:40
pittiyes, I meant that branch is essentially already implemented :-)10:41
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pittiAmaranth: and since merge requires manual resolving, this probably won't happen with DnD10:41
pittiAmaranth: but push would be nice10:42
AmaranthDnD and open gedit with tabs of things that need to be merged10:42
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Amaranthdoes it crap in your files like cvs does?10:43
=== pitti still prefers a single "bzr push" shell command
pittiAmaranth: I didn't try conflicted merges10:43
pittiAmaranth: my bigger projects with many branches (postgresql) use bazaar, I don't yet dare to use bzr10:43
lifelessAmaranth: what do you mean by crap in your files ?10:44
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Amaranthlifeless: Well, cvs dumps something like diff output in your files10:45
nirani spent the last day or so wrapping my head around bazaar and playing with it10:45
nirani am in love.10:45
maeIs there a straightforward method of using eclipse/cdt to make GTK projects, i.e. on the linux platform, I would normally use "pkg-config" to configure all the libs and includes for gtk and/or glade.. how can i integrate such functionality into eclipse?10:45
lifelessAmaranth: if you mean the <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ... ======================== etc like pitti is indicating, yes - thats diff3 merge conflict output10:45
lifelessniran: sweet10:45
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Amaranthlifeless: For once, that's a good thing. My idea could work. :)10:46
pittilifeless: I think the bazaar .orig and .rej approach is nicer10:46
pittilifeless: I would just like to get the .rej files in unidiff format10:46
Amaranthwhen merging with conflicts, it could open gedit with a tab for each conflicting file10:46
pittibut AFAIK patch doesn't support that10:46
fabbioneKamion morning 10:46
lifelesspitti: yah. the problem there is repeated merges - bazaar does diff3 conflict foo too if you use merge.10:47
fabbioneKamion: if you want to send me your try i can do easily a test build....10:47
Amaranthsave them and the conflict is resolved10:47
fabbioneKamion: i have 2 buildd's idling ;)10:47
lifelesspitti: hopefully we'll get some interesting results out of bzr and be able to improve this10:47
Kamionfabbione: edit build/config/sparc/sparc64/netboot-2.6.cfg, replace the KERNELNAME value with just 'vmlinuz'10:47
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KamionI much prefer CVS/svn's approach to conflicts, FWIW10:48
Kamionalthough as pitti says unidiff .rej files would help10:48
pittiKamion: I'd like to have that in patch in general10:48
pittipatch --unidiff-rej10:48
AmaranthKamion: I like the diff output, I don't like the extra files you have to remove before it considers the conflict resolved10:48
pittiapplying non-unidiff rejected patches is a PITA10:49
Kamionthe CVS/svn approach means that one does not have to either (a) use specialised tools like emacs' 3diff mode or (b) copy chunks of stuff from one file to another in order to resolve the conflict10:49
pittihm, right10:49
Kamionit's just "edit single file"10:49
KamionAmaranth: yeah, 'baz resolved' should remove those for you10:49
lifelesspitti: is there such an option ?10:50
pittilifeless: no, but there should be :-/10:50
pittilifeless: it's badly missing10:50
lifelessKamion: nice idea, care to file a bug ?10:50
Kamionlifeless: sure, doing now10:51
lifelessAmaranth: baz doesn't require the files to be removed, unless one deliberately configures a tree to be like that. it used to require it by default .10:51
Kamionlifeless: it's already filed, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/36010:51
lifelessKamion: heh, ok10:53
AmaranthKamion: baz resolved is too much work10:53
lifelessAmaranth: baz resolved --all10:54
AmaranthKamion: whether i've cleaned up the file to remove the diff stuff or not, next time i commit it consider it resolved10:54
Amaranththat's how i think it should be, anyway10:54
lifelessAmaranth: I take it you've never put yourself in merge hell by committing the <<<<====>>>> lines?10:54
Amaranthbut you shouldn't blame the user for the failings of the computer10:55
pittiit's not the computer that failed...10:56
Amaranththen i didn't understand what 'merge hell' was10:56
pittilifeless: indeed, maybe resolved should be dropped and instead bzr should refuse to commit a file if it contains such markers10:56
pitti(and bazaar, too) :-)10:56
lifelesspitti: well, resolved was added by user request.10:57
pittihm, ok10:57
lifelesssome things will annoy some users but please others10:57
pittilifeless: well, it's necessary with external rej files, but also with inline markers?10:57
lifelessI'm sure that I'd get bug reports if we had a heuristic on files - what if you *do* want ====== lines in your file10:57
Amaranthpitti: Actually, I like your idea plus a 'resolved' command for forcing things through.10:58
lifelesspitti: huh? external rej files don't affect commit or not-commit. resolved is 100% UI assistance.10:58
Amaranthand _no_ extra files10:58
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Amaranthlifeless: When would you have a bunch of <s, =s, and >s in the same file?10:59
Amaranthlifeless: other than when you've got a conflict10:59
lifelesswell in my specific case, when I'm testing conflict output ;)10:59
lifelessbut the point is that its a heuristic - its hoping that noone else does that11:00
Amaranthyou could use the file's modified time to figure out if the user edited the file after it conflicted11:00
lifelessvcs tools should not impose limits on what you can store in them11:00
pittiwell, right, that was the advantage of external .rej files11:01
fabbioneKamion: meh.... E: Couldn't find package cdrom-core-modules-2.4.27-2-sparc32-di11:12
fabbionewe are still trying to build 2.4 :P11:12
fabbioneand sparc32 ;)11:12
Kamiondon't see where - please mail me the new build log?11:13
fabbioneit's in the miniiso..11:15
fabbionesure.. in a minute.. i wasn't saving the log11:16
fabbioneKamion: the first fix seems to work :)11:25
fabbione(mail on the way)11:25
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Kamionfabbione: oh, ok, try putting 'MEDIUM_SUPPORTED = 2.6' at the top of build/config/sparc/cdrom.cfg please11:41
fabbioneKamion: building11:42
fabbionehmm p-a-l is going to be a very interesting challenge :/11:44
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fabbioneKamion: the next error is interesting.. it's trying to use cramfs...11:52
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KamionINITRD_FS = cramfs11:53
Kamionisn't that correct?11:53
fabbionebuild/config/sparc/cdrom/2.6.cfg:INITRD_FS = cramfs11:54
Kamionbit silly to have it just for cdrom though maybe11:54
fabbioneit wasn't cramfs before..11:54
fabbionewell i don't mind.. we need to add the build-dep11:54
Kamionok, just zap that line, upstream's building for ext211:55
fabbionecramfsprogs [powerpc ia64 mips sparc]  <-11:55
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mvohmmm ... food 12:03
\shwould be nice12:04
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tsenginfinity: yep. thanks12:14
uniqcan kubuntu-5.04-dvd-powerpc.iso be downloaded somewhere.. so i can setup a seeder for bittorrent? downloading from torrent stops at ~70% for everyone.12:15
Kamiontorrent.ubuntu.com may not be working properly12:15
Kamionelmo: ?12:15
elmomeh, stupid tracker died12:16
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uniqthanks :)12:20
niranmvo, searching works now in gnome-app-install, and it is glorious.12:21
nirannow i can sleep in peace.12:21
mvoniran: it's 5 in the morning for you, right :) ?12:22
niranmvo, yes. yes it is.12:22
mvoniran: I'll check the archive now then, please don't forget baz archive-mirror :)12:22
niranmvo, i did12:23
niranif anyone else wants to play with it, knock yourself out: http://niran.org/arch/niran@niran.org--soc/gnome-app-install--niran--0/12:23
fabbioneKamion: d-i builded.. checking the contents :)12:23
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Kamionfabbione: I tweaked my working tree slightly to do KERNELNAME = $(KERNELNAME_2.6) instead of = vmlinuz, but that should be safe12:24
fabbioneKamion: i can rebuild to test.. no problem at all12:24
KamionI wouldn't bother, I'm just mentioning it for completeness12:25
fabbioneKamion: for once that i can claim spare CPU's cycles.. let me enjoy my little moment of glory :P12:25
fabbioneKamion: hmm not.. that won't work12:26
fabbionenevermind.. wrong file :)12:27
fabbioneKamion: d-i looks good :)12:40
Kamionexcellent, I'll upload once I've figured out what's going on with cdebconf12:45
fabbionei did a binNMU in the meanwhile...12:45
Kamion(in order that I can use the upload to suck in a new cdebconf)12:45
fabbioneso i can test it if i get to have spare time from my wife ;)12:45
Kamionit's a hard life12:45
fabbioneKamion: sure.. i have no rush really.. sparc is looking much better now that we have 2 buildd's12:46
fabbioneKamion: you will soon join the team12:46
lifelessis mdz on leave ?12:46
fabbioneKamion: next time you will tell me: "eh yeah i understand"12:46
fabbionelifeless: uk eduubuntu12:46
lifelessah, k12:46
Kamionfabbione: hah12:49
Kamionfabbione: (but yeah)12:49
fabbioneKamion: do we have a primitive in d-i to understand if a certain recipe will create /boot (or any other partition) ?12:50
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fabbionethe problem is that some recipes create /boot, other don't12:51
fabbionei need to filter it so that if it has /boot, i will use the recipe info to create /boot outside LVM and filter it later for creating LVM partitions12:51
fabbioneif it doesn't i need to create it from scratch12:52
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Kamionfabbione: don't think so, talk to Anton Zinoviev12:54
fabbionedoes he irc?12:56
carstenhpitti: i've just updated the wiki :)12:57
pittiHi carstenh 01:01
carstenhhi pitti 01:02
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Kamionfabbione: not much, he's in Bulgaria and connected to the rest of the world by a piece of wet spaghetti as far as I can tell01:09
fabbioneKamion: ok.. i think i found an easy way to do it01:09
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{Seb}sorry to bother you guys01:18
{Seb}but after doing a latest upgrade on Breezy01:19
{Seb}i can't login01:19
{Seb}i exited Xorg and ran startx from the command line01:19
{Seb}the errors including01:19
{Seb}Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list!01:19
{Seb}Synaptics DeviceOff called01:20
danielsthose aren't actual errors01:20
fabbione{Seb}: you have been asked a few times already to ask these questions in #ubuntu01:20
danielssuggest you put your Xorg.0.log up on pastebin.com or such -- and this is far more of an #ubuntu thing than #ubuntu-devel01:20
fabbioneplease respect the policy for this channel01:20
danielsbreezy is not always expected to be totally usable: in particular, there are a number of 'gotchas' with upgrading X that mean you have be to be very comfortable with fixing broken systems if you want to use it right now01:20
{Seb}where is the Xorg.log ?01:21
daniels#ubuntu, please01:21
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Kamionelmo: could I have libnewt-dev libtextwrap-dev libdebian-installer4-dev in concordia's breezy chroot, please?01:47
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Kamionlifeless: any word on svn syncs?02:01
Kamionelmo: actually, don't bother, I'm a muppet02:07
Kamionnote to self: do not assume that current CD images were built before the version of d-i you checked was in the archive an hour or two *after* the CD images were built02:08
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pittiHi mdz 02:09
pittimdz: how's the hotel? :-)02:09
mvohey mdz 02:09
mdzpitti: ok02:09
mdzabout to break for lunch02:09
mdzthe weather in london is dreary as usual02:10
Kamionspeaking of lunch02:10
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pittiwell, a Californian is not easily impressed...02:10
mvothe weather in germany is pretty depressing too (at least in my part)02:10
pittiah, mvo02:11
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fabbionehey mdz02:11
pittimvo: I plan to upload the split langpacks soon (monday maybe, still have to test them a bit)02:11
mvopitti: you need a update to the language chooser then? no problem02:12
pittimvo: I will add an upgrade notice about the split02:12
pittimvo: in that note I mentioned to consider the language selector02:12
pittimvo: is that possible?02:12
pittii. e. to do the transition automatically?02:12
pittimvo: it doesn't need to be ready at Monday, but by Breezy of course02:12
mvopitti: could you please give me the url of the final plan for the langpack split. i think it can be done02:13
pittimvo: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LanguagePackRoadmap is all I have02:13
pittimvo: I think the per-domain mapping can be done later; a coarse Ubuntu/Kubuntu distinction should be enough for now02:14
mvopitti: so we'll have -main, -kde, -gnome?02:14
pittiwell, we have l-p-de, l-p-kde-de, l-p-gnome-de02:15
pittiI didn't want to add yet another 100 packages to introduce -main02:15
pitti(well, 200 actually for base and update)02:15
pittimvo: can they be told apart by looking at /etc/lsb-release?02:16
pittimvo: i. e. is there "kubuntu" anywhere on kubuntu?02:16
mvopitti: my current idea would be to check if the "kde" package is installed02:16
Riddellmvo: check for kubuntu-desktop02:17
mvoRiddell: thanks02:17
pittimvo: I'd rather check for kde-core, since we don't have Kubuntu, but KDE language packs02:17
Riddellwell kubuntu doesn't install kde-core02:19
pittimakes the thing more generic02:19
mvoseb128: you asked me about direct insalls of debs with synaptic. as soon as apt can do it, synaptic will support it too. there is a apt--local-install--0 branch that works for me. I "just" need to sneak it somehow into apt--main 02:19
pittimvo: hm, it almost seems that we do need to select by actually installed packages and domains...02:19
mvopitti: looking for the packages is not a big deal is not a big deal as long as the package names are known02:20
pittimvo: seb128 will distract mdz for a while with a panel bug, then you can merge :-)02:20
pittimvo: I can give you can give you the map :-)02:20
seb128easy :)02:21
mvopitti: with the map it should be easy02:21
mvo(because language-selector already has to know about packages)02:22
pittimvo: I currently have a map source package -> {kde,gnome,}02:22
mvoseb128, pitti: yeah! for distraction :)02:22
pittimvo: however, generating a map binary package -> {kde,gnome,} should be easy02:22
seb128jdub: translation list?02:23
pittimvo: in fact l-s can produce that map on its own02:23
seb128jdub: I could use it now to send something to translators ... :)02:23
pittimvo: I have a simple heuristics in langpack-o-matic which correctly maps all source packages02:23
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mvopitti: do you export it somewhere? 02:25
mvo(the list I mean)02:25
pittimvo: not that map, it's done on the fly02:25
pittiI /msg'ed you02:25
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mdzmvo: hi, thanks for tracking that apt bug02:54
mdzmvo: did you find the cause of the root bug, or just the wrong error message?02:54
mvomdz: so far only the wrong message. for the root of the bug I somewhat suspect the ftp.nl server. I can only reproduce it with that server02:57
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=== icaro hi all
pittihi icaro 03:01
icarohi pitti 03:01
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seb128elmo: libgtk2-perl sync should be fine now ? :) Can we sync gnome-alsamixer again (dholbach asked to drop it for no real reason and is fine to sync it)03:12
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elmoseb128: done03:20
seb128elmo: thanks03:21
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mdzKamion: now that we have debootstrap 3, when debootstrap is failing (like now, on libiw28), what does it mean we need to do?  update the overrides?03:29
\shhmm...anyone knows a possibility to buy ubuntu branded material in germany, for people without a CCard?03:30
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pittiHey Keybuk 03:53
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Kamionmdz: yes, see jackass:~cjwatson/jessica which tells you what to do04:05
Kamionmdz: (or use debootstrap --resolve-deps)04:05
KamionPackages to change from priority extra to important04:05
Kamionmdz: note that some of the things it says are wrong, because it's only looking at germinate output on one arch04:06
Kamionmdz: so it requires some human care04:06
Kamionmdz: I've fixed the priorities of libiw{27,28}04:07
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CarlFKhttp://packages.ubuntu.com lists linux-image-686 but apt-get/cache don't see it - is this a bug?04:21
Kamionlinux-image-686 has been there for ever ...04:21
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Kamioncheck sources.list, apt-get update04:21
Kamionif you only have a CD in sources.list you won't get linux-image-68604:22
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CarlFKah - that explains it04:22
CarlFKi thought everyting in main was on the cd04:22
pittiCarlFK: that's the DVD04:23
mdzKamion: thanks04:30
Kamionmdz: also, cdimage fixes those priorities up based on its own germinate runs, so problems in the archive there shouldn't affect CD releases04:33
Kamionyay, amd64 works again, powerpc doing pretty well04:33
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maswanOh, joy. Reading /proc/net/tcp causes package loss when you are pushing some bandwidth.04:46
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Kamionmdz: have you tested recent live CDs at all?04:53
KamionI'd like to release colony 2 but I'm leaving before I have time to try it04:53
Kamioninstalls fine ...04:53
highvoltagemdz: i see the breezy ltsp package installs nbd, is it used for local disk access?04:53
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pittiseb128: yay, fully translated gtk, panel, evolution, etc. again05:01
pittiseb128: wanna test the new langpacks? :-)05:01
CarlFKhoary, "recording level monitor" says "cannot connect to sound deamon.  please run 'esd' at a command prompt." but no sudo, so access denied.  is this worth a bug report? 05:06
pittiCarlFK: why sudo?05:08
CarlFK"access denied"05:08
CarlFKa user cant launch esd05:08
pittiesd is a pure user app05:08
CarlFK /dev/dsp: Permission denied05:09
CarlFKguessing it is because the user isn't in the audio group05:09
pittithat's possible05:09
CarlFKalthough I am curious about the " at a command prompt" - that seems not verry Ubunu-ish05:10
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HrdwrBoBCarlFK: the default user is in audio05:13
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HrdwrBoByeah submit a bigreport05:13
CarlFKoh yeah... not a bug.. this is an added user05:14
Kamioncome *on*, little05:25
pittiKamion: colony 2?05:25
Kamionthough untested live CD unfortunately05:25
Kamionif it works, it works, if it doesn't, it doesn't ;-)05:25
pittitautologically true at least :-)05:26
CarlFKKamion - if you can make it pxe boot, Ill test it every morning ;)05:26
Kamionbe bloody slow mind you :)05:27
Kamionof course I'm going to release this image and then immediately run off to a different country for the weekend, but hey05:27
CarlFKknoppix does it - it might even be faster than booting from the CD 05:28
CarlFKyeah... HD access over the LAN is quicker than most of my CD drives05:29
Kamionthe casper hacking required would probably not be too difficult05:29
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pittiKamion: oh, wanna help seb128 to fix some gtk bugs?05:31
Kamionno way05:31
CarlFKpretty sure they have le net access ;)05:32
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terjesorry to bother, I asked in #ubuntu already. I'd like to customize the startup script that requests Language and Keyboard information on the ubuntu live CD. Does anyone know where that's located on the extracted CD image?05:43
lu|awayterje: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//LiveCDCustomizationHowTo <- in there, somewhere, I believe05:44
terjeI've read that already and it's not in there.05:44
terjethere's a lot of great info in there though...05:44
terjeI'm finished w/ the isolinux part.05:44
lu|awayoh, you want to customize it05:45
lu|awayI had assumed 'customize' meant 'force it to one language'05:45
terjewhat I'm trying to do actually, is have the CD boot and not ask the user any questions.05:45
terjeI'd like to preselect some defaults05:45
wasabi_I am speaking out of my ass, so I don't know anything... but here's what I suspect.05:46
wasabi_There is a debconf file listing prefilled question answers someplace. ;)05:46
terjego on....05:46
wasabi_I did some work on making an unattended d-i05:46
wasabi_a few months ago.05:46
terjeunattended d-i ?05:47
wasabi_I belive the liveCD is just d-i.05:47
terjewhat's d-i ?05:47
wasabi_debian installer05:47
terjeok, I gotcha.05:47
wasabi_So, armed with that knowledge, I assume the language selection process is a debconf question05:47
wasabi_and that you can preanswer it by finding this file and just putting the key/value into it05:48
terjeright, that's exactly what I'm after.05:48
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terjeI wonder if there's anymore documentation that explains how the live CD is laid out.05:59
\shelmo: ping -> please remove sip-qt3, h.a.l. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MorgueCandidates06:00
wasabi_What is 'gecos'?06:03
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terjeit's your entry info in /etc/passwd06:04
terjemore specifically, the users 'real name' in /etc/passwd06:05
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\shhey mvo, janew :)06:07
mvohey \sh 06:08
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tsengdilinger: at least they are sans-porn this time06:13
tsengid feel a little weird going in to pick those up06:14
dilingertseng: but i like porn!06:14
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JaneWhi \sh06:17
\shJaneW: how is london today? And how is ogra behaving? I hope he's not boring u with his statements about gnome *lol*06:18
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seb128pitti: have you updated the language-packs or is colony 2 a "my translations suck" version? :)06:25
highvoltagehi JaneW 06:25
Nafallomaswan: ping!06:28
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JaneWhello highvoltage ...06:30
Nafallomaswan: error 403 on http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/06:30
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mdzhighvoltage: nbd is to be used for swapping over the network06:36
mdzKamion: I tested a live CD about a week ago, and X failed to start I think06:37
mdzKamion: I'm not going to be able to test live CDs until I return home, I expect06:38
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pittiseb128: no, it's not on colony 206:43
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wasabi_Hey wow06:44
wasabi_anybody tried putting ubuntu live cd in a windows box? haha06:44
ddaaseb128: the copyright files for bonobo and libbonobo appear to be out of date06:45
ddaa(ftp download addresses are not public)06:45
ddaamh... apparently it's just that ftp.gnome.org is broken...06:46
seb128ddaa: ftp://ftp.gnome.org ?06:46
seb128ddaa: yep, there is some issue atm06:47
ddaaI guess the guy in charge is Novell staff :)06:47
seb128rather redhat guys06:47
ddaaI love to get upstream issues fixed by complaining to a co-worker :)06:48
seb128actually jdub is the right guy to complain for that probably :p06:49
ddaaseb128: btw, do you have any clue of the way gnome tarballs relate to cvs branches?06:49
seb128jdub: ftp.gnome.org is private now? :)06:49
Lathiatseb128: yeh we turned it into a warez dump06:50
Lathiatapparently acc have broken something06:50
seb128ddaa: they use gnome-2-n for names06:50
seb128and tag BLABLA_2_N_M for the tarballs06:51
ddaaokay so, for example, libbonobo-2.8.1 likely comes from the the branch gnome-2-8 in the libbonobo module, while bonobo-1.0.22 likely comes from MAIN?06:52
seb128-1.0.22 is a GNOME1 stuff06:52
ddaayes... but I have been told it is in the libbonobo cvs history...06:53
ddaamaybe I was told wrong06:53
ddaa(this sort of shit is a bit difficult to figure out)06:53
ddaaSo... you agree with the "libbonobo-2.8.1 likely comes from the the branch gnome-2-8 in the libbonobo module" bit?06:54
seb128jdub probably knows for GNOME 1 stuff06:54
seb128I've started to use GNOME with GNOME 2 ....06:54
seb128http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/ is useful for such stuff06:55
ddaalifeless told me that bonobo ~ libbonobo for RCS purposes...06:55
ddaaseb128: yes, I know, but it's still archaeology...06:56
ddaaAnd I prefer to ask people who know to sanity check my assumptions.06:56
ddaaDon't worry, I'm not going to bother you for each and every gnome package.06:56
seb128yeah, that would be jdub for this one06:56
ddaaJust the annoying shitty confusing obscure ones :)06:57
seb128or you can try on #gnome-hackers on gimpnet06:57
seb128people here come from the GNOME1 ages :p06:57
ddaathat's too much trouble... guess and hearsay will be enough, anyway, nobody really cares about gnome1 anymore.06:58
seb128we are planning to drop these packages06:58
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seb128not all because some app (ie: gnucash) still use GNOME 106:58
ddaagnucash... NIH galore06:59
ddaathey have reivented about everything in gnome and guile...06:59
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JaneWhighvoltage: fwiw I fixed the typo in the agenda for you ;)07:07
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highvoltageJaneW: thanks! i'll edit the description a bit...07:07
JaneWhighvoltage: great thanks07:11
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\shok...time to go :)07:26
\shcu later ladies :)07:26
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dilingerwhat's the url to that ubuntu logo that's been floating around?  the 3 naked people07:35
dilingerit was on planet.u.o a week or two ago07:36
mdzelmo,wasabi: did eclipse get sorted out?07:38
dilingerLathiat: thanks07:38
siretarthi folks07:39
siretartis there some issue with the torrent tracker? I don't get any seed with bittorrent when downloading colony-2 i386 live-cd07:40
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mdzterje: you can preseed all of the questions by the usual d-i means07:42
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tsengthom: would you suggest i take networking out of my runlevel, or will it actually integrate usefully with NM someday?08:02
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=== Lathiat has found NM useless if you want to do anything other than switch between wired and wireless on a laptop and never used wireless if wired is plugged in or both interfaces at the same time
Lathiatwhich is annoying08:10
Lathiati cant for example bring up eth0 with an ip temporarily, NM eats it08:11
=== Lathiat uhs at CentOS
Lathiatits totally useless, it wont even do a basic install, the installer crashes out with some python backtrace08:12
tsengthe whole idea behind CentOS is a joke08:13
tseng"here, use redhat with no support"08:13
Lathiati know08:13
Lathiati just find it amusing that it wont do a basic install08:13
tsengthat defeats the whole purpose, no one runs RH because they want to08:13
Lathiatheh yeh08:13
Lathiatoh well that was a wasted download08:14
Lathiatsuse seems pretty neat08:14
tsengif you like kde maybe08:14
Lathiatim ignoring that08:14
maeHi, is there a good howto or informational site on how to do C development on linux w/ eclipse?  I am a bit confused on how I can integrate something like `pkg-config gtk+-2.0 --cflags --libs` into the eclipse make system08:15
Lathiatthe bootup process is nice, and yast seems to work fairly well08:15
Lathiatim sure i'd hate it shortly after i actually tried using it for anything usefull or something08:15
tsengLathiat: dont forget submount08:15
Lathiatah yes, submount08:15
Lathiatso is ubuntu going to get a nice pretty bootup process in breezy08:15
tsengright after sladen stops spreading plagues and starts coding08:15
Lathiatone thing i found interesting about suse08:16
Lathiatif i kill X08:16
Lathiatit comes back within 1-2 seconds08:16
Lathiatas in, boot loader and all08:16
Lathiatseems to be a hacked up xdm which kinda explains it08:17
tsengLathiat: eh you mean it logs you back in?08:18
Lathiattseng: no as in it comes back to xdm08:18
tsenghm sure08:18
Lathiattseng: back after hitting ctrl+alt+backspace its back ready to go in like 2 seconds08:18
Lathiatim sure there X loads faster than ours, gdm aside08:18
Lathiattseng: it appears to be a pretty looking xdm08:18
tsengare they maybe using dlloader?08:19
tsengthat starts faster in my experience08:19
tsengits an xorg module loader that doesnt sacrifice goats to load things by pure magic08:19
tsengit uses dlopen and resolves symbols like a normal application08:20
Lathiatwhat does xorg do now?08:20
tsengevil things08:20
Lathiatah, is dlloader better?08:20
Lathiatwhy arent we using it?08:20
tsengor was it ati08:20
tsengone of them supports it now08:20
tsengi think the other does not08:20
tsengyoud have to see daniels 08:20
Lathiatheh it breaks with that?08:20
maswanNafallo: we just patched and rebooted the ftpcluster08:20
tsengthey have to be linked properly to work08:20
Lathiattseng: as in open source or binary08:21
tsengbinaries are fine08:21
tsengthey just need to be sane binaries08:21
maswanNafallo: it should be working now, right?08:21
Lathiats/binary/proprietary binary08:21
tsengwhich nothing was until recently08:21
Lathiati.e. nv vs nvisia, ati vs fglrx08:21
tsengclosed ones08:21
tsengneeded fixed08:21
tsengat least one was08:21
Lathiathey cool, the FC4 installer generates a kickstart file08:25
maeFC4 blows.08:25
Lathiatmaybe, but the kickstart generation rocks :P)08:25
maeits very polished, yes, but oh.. how i LOATHE yum/rpm08:25
Lathiat(I'm fiddling with various distros i havent touched with a barge pole for a long time08:26
JustinLathiat: debian-installer will if you tell it to08:26
maeand the anaconda partitioner makes me want to punch myself in the face08:26
LathiatJustin: yeh?08:26
LathiatJustin: didnt knwo that08:26
LathiatJustin: how do i tell it to?08:26
Lathiati want to automate installation of my laptop :)08:26
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hungerfabbione: Any news wrt. my tpm patch for the kernel? Did it change the ABI?08:27
Justindebconf-get-selections --installer or such08:28
Justingoogle: debian-installer preseed08:28
dokowasabi: eclipse should build-depend on firefox-dev, not mozilla-dev. firefox-dev is in main08:33
dokowasabi, wasabi_: eclipse should build-depend on firefox-dev, not mozilla-dev. firefox-dev is in main08:33
dokomdz, wasabi, wasabi: eclipse still has a dependency on lucene, which is in multiverse.08:35
CarlFKLathiat https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalNetInstall08:37
LathiatCarlFK: thanks08:38
CarlFKLathiat - hang on...08:38
CarlFKI need to rearange some steps to make it simpler08:38
CarlFKLathiat - reload08:47
CarlFKLathiat - previously I cut/pasted the commands I actualy used08:48
CarlFKbut later realized how to do it better, so I shifted things around08:48
CarlFKso the changes I just made should work, but the commands were typed up in the editor, not the command promp - so let me know if anything is screwy08:49
CarlFKit is lots of fun once you get it setup08:50
CarlFKI did a laptop this morning, 1 hour later something was scrwey08:50
carlosseb128, around?08:51
CarlFKinstalling is so easy I had no problem just installing again08:51
seb128carlos: pong08:51
carlosseb128, hi08:51
carlosI know universe is not yours, but could you take a look at https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1206  ?08:52
pittielmo: can I please have the libgda b-deps in davis' breezy dchroot?08:52
seb128carlos: daf is upstream for that?08:52
seb128pitti: new g-v-m for you08:53
pittiseb128: oooh, will it fix all bugs?08:53
seb128pitti: upstream version I mean08:53
carlosseb128, no, he's not, I think jdub is08:53
seb128pitti: there is quite some activity about it on #commits from novell guy atm, so I guess it has some changes08:53
seb128pitti: have fun for your patches :p08:53
seb128pitti: new gnomevfs has some hal love too08:55
maeguys do you think scoop will happen?08:56
seb128carlos: you could have put the patch with the bug :p08:57
seb128I'll have to get it before fixing :)08:58
seb128carlos: I'll fix it 08:58
carlosseb128, anyway, I think malone does not accepts attachmets (yet)08:58
carlosseb128, O:-)08:58
carlosseb128, thank you!08:58
carlosseb128, I had to move to breezy and it's a bit difficult to work with bazaar + gpg without gnome-gpg caching the passphrase08:59
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seb128carlos: blank passphrase? :p09:00
carlosseb128, remind me that I should revoke from my key any trust I have in your key09:01
hungerfabbione: My patch to the tpm module is supposed to be in 2.6.13-rc2 from what I hear.09:01
seb128carlos: ah ah :)09:02
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swarmfor 3rd party module patching issue is this the channel or #ubuntu-kernel?09:36
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maewhat is a simple gtk ide.. (perhaps a *little* more advanced than gedit)10:34
maeor really just editor10:34
maei can deal with compiling separately10:34
tsengmae: you can set some prefences in gedit to make it alot more useful for editing code10:36
maeman i've been trying to wrestle with eclipse.. but too hard to make it work right with pkg-config .. i dont think i'll ever be able to get past using vim :P10:38
siretartmae: did you check anjuta?10:39
maeanjuta is pretty automake-centric10:39
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weaselso, who do I pester if I want a package in hoary/universe updated?10:40
siretartweasel: #ubuntu-motu10:40
weaselmotu stands for?10:40
siretartweasel: master/maintainer of the universe10:40
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mgalvini'm running off the colony 2 live cd, its working pretty well so far on my home machine :)11:27
mgalvinon to some more poking around, l8r11:29
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camilotellesKamion? there is any news about UE?11:48
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