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[01:32] for widgets? === jsgotangco [~user@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:54] libgnomecanvas2-dev_2.11.1-0buntu1_i386.deb [01:54] what's the 'buntu' suffix, I wonder? [02:06] 0buntu [02:08] infinity: did you get my mail? === marcin_ant [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === camilotelles [~Camilo@201.19.213.83] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:55] post update interaction!!! [03:00] Kamion: you around? [03:01] hrm.. .actually, it's not too hard to check that myself.. === AndyFitz [~andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:03] hrm.. actually... anyone with a jackass login around? [03:03] GAH === syndicate [~forgue@anthracite.aca.oakland.edu] has joined #Ubuntu-Devel [03:04] nice vlc is horribly uninstallable === lamont figures out the error of his ways.. === slomo [~slomo@p5487EE87.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [~stub@203-217-37-199.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaiL [KaiL@p548F2EFE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === qingl [~qingl@59.191.50.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel === waterseven [~waterseve@69.182.176.198.adsl.snet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:28] Hi there... is anyone here that does translations? need some help finding a template. === wasabi [~wasabi@c-67-174-81-195.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === waterseven [~waterseve@69.182.176.198.adsl.snet.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [04:52] tseng : The mail about whacky mono segfaults? [04:53] tseng : I looked at it briefly a few days ago, then got swamped. === alvaro [~alvaro@200.89.69.134] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:28] hi [05:29] somebody know the reason why can't use directy the nvidia drivers from the nvidia page? [05:31] nvidia drivers are included in ubuntu. (this question is best for #ubuntu instead of here) [05:31] but if I compile the kernel... how install this modules? [05:32] I install the nvidia drivers from the www.nvidia.com and now can't go back to my old configuration [05:34] alvaro: why did you need to recompile your kernel? [05:34] you can probably try to build linux-restricted-modules against your kernel [05:35] because I can't active the dma in my dvd [05:35] if you did rebuild your kernel make sure /usr/src/linux points to the right source, the nvidia drivers should just find it. [05:35] alvaro: you can do that without rebuilding your kernel, just use hdparm [05:36] when I use hdparm say: invalid instruction [05:36] Mr. Dub: I hear toronto is a possible location for the next conference? [05:36] whiprush: hrm, not hugely likely; south america more so [05:37] k [05:37] still cheaper than europe for me === whiprush crosses fingers [05:37] yeah :) [05:37] alvaro: I usually enable dma on a drive in /etc/hdparm.conf (iirc) [05:37] lemme bust out my laptop and check. [05:38] I tried but not work [05:39] and you're sure the drive supports dma? (I assume so since it's a dvd drive) [05:39] jdub: dude, networkmagic on a laptop is a wonderful thing, I've been suspending and having it Just Work all day long. [05:40] different aps and locations too. [05:40] I'm going to buy thom a big batch of $LOCAL_BEER at the next conference. [05:40] this my problem when y try to activate: HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument [05:41] its a dvd drive, y sure because the driver work with dma in other pc [05:41] you sure the syntax is right? [05:41] yes [05:42] , /dev/hda because I have a sata hd [05:42] ok, I'd do two things, a) submit your hardware config via hwdb-client, and then file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com on it. [05:43] make sure you put as much detail in the comments in hwdb-client, when it submits it'll get looked at eventually. [05:44] I think that the chipset is the reason [05:44] jdub: when is it likely to be? [05:44] I try to install the ndorce chipset module... [05:44] well, when you submit it'll send along the hardware config, the important thing is that you submit it so a developer can get to it. [05:45] ok, I do it [05:46] but now I can't run X... how can I reconfigure to my old configuration? [05:46] ajmitch: october, november [05:47] jdub: great, I'll start saving then :) [05:47] I try to reinstall the nvidia dirvers how in unoficial guide, but I can't run X [05:48] alvaro: most of the people in here are busy fixing up the next release, it's best if you ask in #ubuntu. [05:48] thanks whiprush [05:49] no problem, good luck! === alvaro [~alvaro@200.89.69.134] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === AndyFitz [~andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:37] morning [06:40] Mithrandir: xcursor is still FTBFS [06:40] even with xorg -33 [06:50] uh all X upgrade [06:55] fabbione: xcursor is missing a build-dep in ubuntu1 - did a new upload happen there yet? [06:56] nope === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [Amaranth@AC91AB7F.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax8-111.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-67-174-81-195.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === icaro [~icaro@adsl-ull-204-24.44-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === icaro goood morning at all === stevef_ [~stevef@pool-64-222-117-63.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:41] lamont: no, I haven't uploaded the new version === Simira [~Simira@194.24.252.250] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonathan_ [~jonathan@host81-158-251-218.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [~anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:07] just saw what google is funding [08:07] very nice stuff === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [~marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:20] jdub: hey planet.u.c doesn't highlight links at all [08:20] like, I had to hover my mouse over you thurott entry to find the link [08:21] only on some links, too [08:21] yeah, odd === ealden [~ealden@219.90.91.208] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:21] i hate wrangling with the plone css [08:22] i'm probably going to rip it out [08:22] that whole "bottom row of an entry being clickable" is kind of suck for both planets [08:22] whiprush: in blogger, I have to make sure all my blog text entries are delimited by

so that the links work on planet [08:22] robitaille: mine are like that in typepad also [08:22] whiprush: that's being fixed (same with the top) [08:23] woo [08:23] yeah, on a pad on a laptop, planet's been sucking lately. [08:23] with that bug [08:24] Burgundavia: what is google funding? [08:25] highvoltage, google summer of code === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:25] Morning [08:26] heya pitti [08:27] heya to you too sabdfl. :p [08:27] hey pitti [08:27] morning sabdfl [08:27] morning all [08:27] hey fabbio. [08:28] hi whiprush [08:28] well howdy guys [08:28] man, I almost forgot to say, our loco is over 20 now. [08:28] edu-buntu summit in london today! [08:28] whiprush: stormin! [08:28] did you guys read the LinuxTag summary from JoshKress? awesome [08:28] sabdfl: we're determined to make detroit a destination on the world tour. [08:29] yeah, read it a few hours ago, wish it had some pics though. [08:29] whiprush, you have more in detroit than I do in my entire loco === AndyFitz [~andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:29] sabdfl: some good news from ports.u.c.. sparc buildd's are idling for the first time in a year or so :-) we might get out this time :) === AndyFitz [~andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:30] fabbione: how the installer look? [08:30] Burgundavia: don't be discouraged, half our people are just "students interested in linux". Getting them there is easy, getting them to stay and help out is ... as you can imagine, difficult. [08:30] sabdfl: i need to work on it.. the hoary one was ok.. in breezy is FTBFS atm... [08:30] sabdfl: but we will get it there ;) [08:31] whiprush, we were too busy gutting ourselves over who to have a contact person [08:31] fabbione: anybody out there helping you? [08:31] whiprush, and it wasn't robitaille or myself (the only 2 canadian members) [08:31] where is the list of things google is funding? [08:31] sabdfl: we had quite of a problem with kernel due to an arbitrary change in glibc elf header... [08:31] Amaranth, BreezyBounties on the udu wiki [08:31] sabdfl: yes... a bunch of people fixing stuff around [08:32] Burgundavia: scott balenaves from ltsp is an ubuntu guy, make him #3. [08:32] sabdfl: or extremely cooperative... === Amaranth can't remember where the udu wiki is [08:32] whiprush, he is a canuck? bradb is also one [08:32] http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBounties [08:32] Burgundavia: so you have 4, see, you've already doubled your numbers! [08:32] whiprush, bradb works for canonical, so he doesn't count [08:32] heh [08:33] what's with the overuse of the udu wiki? [08:34] someone got the FindingPackages bounty? :/ [08:34] oh well, i wasn't going to have time to work on it anyway [08:34] Burgundavia: don't worry, one day the Canadian LoCo will been flying high. It will just a bit more effort...and time [08:34] when everybody buys my Inuktitut idea === ivoks [~ivoks@wall3.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:35] Burgundavia: it is a good idea...just a bit different, and tough to do without local people helping us in the north [08:36] that is what government funding is for [08:36] ahh, tabs turning blue everywhere! [08:36] scott works for the local government in winnipeg and admins quite a number of thin clients running linux and OOo, get him on board! [08:36] whiprush, got an email? [08:36] sure. === robitaille also works for the government...but doesn't seem to help bringing Ubuntu at his work... === Burgundavia used to be a contracter to the gov, and used windows [08:37] sbalneav@ltsp.org [08:37] I work for the government and we use ubuntu because I Say [08:38] Burgundavia: we're mostly a Mandrake shop for the desktop, but with some Windows machines; the local system admin doesn't want to touch sometjing he isn't familiar with [08:39] prov gov is all XP [08:39] sad [08:39] Burgundavia: it will change === nick__ [~ups@203.200.160.50] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:39] not within 10 years, unless the gov does === Burgundavia is glad not to work with windows anymore, as his stress level is considerably lower === ivoks works for uni, over 60 linux boxes here... === whiprush is in the same boat as ivoks [08:42] all my servers are ubuntu :) [08:42] except one === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:42] sabdfl: not clear it will change that easily; we are mostly Linux locally , but higher up they are all Windows; obtained with department-wide contracts that pay Microsoft money per number of employees, no matter if they use Windows/Office or not; so at one point a department has to ask the question: why some of us don't use the Microsoft products that have already been paid for. [08:42] fabbione: new xcursor uploading now. [08:42] ivoks: I had to choose a distro before hoary was ready, so I'm with sarge for all our stuff. [08:42] whiprush: i had sarge too on my servers [08:43] whiprush: i upgraded/downgraded them to hoary [08:43] on-line, without reboot :) [08:43] heh [08:43] Mithrandir: ok thanks [08:43] and the entire prov gov is one big contract with two local companies and IBM supplying hardware [08:44] Burgundavia: I used to work for a US government contractor, I can so feel your pain on this. === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:44] robitaille: interesting, the "pay irrespective" idea [08:45] robitaille: i think those contracts were popular when people figured there was no alternative [08:45] they are still popular [08:45] as soon as they think there IS an alternative, those contracts come up for review [08:45] here in Canada and the US at least [08:45] where we are wealthy enough to pay the MS tax [08:45] yes, that's part of it [08:46] in developing countries, afaics they are all looking to migrate big chunks [08:46] or they use pirated windows [08:46] depends on the contract. Here in the US there are provisions for every federal contract for small and minority-owned busineses. [08:47] the "buy canadian" thing is also starting to penetrate the minds of canadian politicians [08:47] most especially after the patriot act thing [08:47] our goverment has a contract with MS [08:47] they won't big contracts but in many defense contracts the big companies will subcontract to smaller companies to win the contract. [08:48] for example, if you're a native indian alaskan and own a logistics company, there is plenty of money to be made. === aisipos [~aisipos@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === whiprush has learned far more about the US military-industrial complex than he cares to. [08:49] but on the upside, a good percentage of the us govt is still using novell, so there's some kind of hope for linux in there somewhere. === aisipos [~aisipos@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:53] Burgundavia: the "buy canadian" hasn't work before; Corel at one point sued and won against the Canadian Government since bidding process was unfairly biased against them toward Microsoft (http://www.washingtontechnology.com/news/14_21/federal/1046-1.html). Now we have very lengthy bidding process for Office suites, but Microsoft still wins every single time === marilize [~marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:54] mp1: On GnomePanelEnhancements, you can use tags in the menu files to order things and make sure they stay order that way (instead of being alphabetized) [08:55] fabbione: question: I happen to have a madwifi card, while debugging networkmanager, is the driver in l-r-m as important as the wireless-tools? I don't want submit bugs to network-manager if it's a madwifi issue. [08:56] so am I better off submitting bugs to network-manager now, or wait for the madwifi update in l-r-m? [08:57] evening [08:58] Hey ajmitch === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nick__ is now known as ups === hunger [~hunger@p54A65929.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [~ivoks@wall3.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonathan_ [~jonathan@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] hmm, it seems lots of hoary users are finding out that i broke gnome-app-install :) === Lathiat smirks [09:11] well, pyxdg broke it, but smeg needs the latest pyxdg so... [09:12] Is there a reason for using pngs as backgrounds for gnome? Saving the image as jpg would shrink it by more than a factor of 20. [09:12] is hdd space still a factor anywhere? [09:12] png is free [09:13] Burgundavia: I find it annoying to waste space. [09:14] hunger: what's more annoying? a few kb less space, or ugly, distorted images in your working environment? [09:14] Burgundavia: And It is a difference whether I have to download 30k or 900k on upload (minus compression from deb). [09:14] highvoltage: ? Do you really see a difference between jpg and png? [09:15] hunger: yes [09:15] yes, compressing a png into a jpg will make a smaller image [09:15] but I don't see the win [09:15] but it will make an image that looks worse, you're transcoding [09:15] if you have a slow connection, download elsewhere [09:15] or usethe default [09:16] Amaranth: The default background does not have that many details that can get lost;-) [09:16] Burgundavia: I am talking about the two default images. [09:16] the space saving on the disk is not worth the lost clarity === ivoks [~ivoks@wall2.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gbon121 [~peppe@bohr.pisa.iol.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:17] Burgundavia: The non-ws one is ~870k as png and ~38 as jpg. === hunger shrugs. [09:17] Burgundavia: What do you mean by clarity? [09:19] hunger: jpeg distorts images. if you see it often in highly compressed images, you get sensitive toward it. [09:19] which is why many of us stick to .png (after we've tried to over-optimise some web pages in the 90's) [09:19] oh, the pngs are lossless? [09:19] highvoltage: you know, both png and jpeg have adjustable compression :) [09:19] nope, but they look much better. [09:19] Amaranth: they can be lossy or lossless [09:20] HrdwrBoB: I know, but jpeg is more lossy, afaik [09:20] HrdwrBoB: I know. :) I was asking if the backgrounds were lossless. [09:20] highvoltage: The factor 20 is with 90% quality setting for jpg. There is no visible difference. [09:21] hunger: a png with the same compression will be smaller as a jpg with the same compression, and the quality will be better. [09:21] (ime, anyway) [09:21] hunger: You looked at them at 640x480 resolution, right? [09:21] highvoltage: Even with a quality setting of 70% the image is basically identical to the png... jpg is ideal for the image that is used as the default background. [09:22] Amaranth: I look at the image at 400%. [09:23] hunger: fine, convert all your ubuntu images to jpeg's then :) [09:23] highvoltage: Sorry, but that is crap... png and jpg use *WAY* different algorithms. You can not really compare the compression technics. [09:23] you can === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:23] they're both compression techniques for images to display pictures === sabdfl [~mark@sabdfl.silver.supporter.pdpc] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:24] hunger: of course you can compare them, even though they encode images differently. anyway, this is a silly discussion. google png vs jpg instead, we're wasting irc space. [09:26] highvoltage: I do know both compression technics. === hunger shrugs and shuts up. [09:26] hunger: in general, jpg is suitable for photo-like pictures, png for drawings (sharp edges) [09:27] pitti: I know both jpg and png compression technics. [09:27] pitti: The default ubuntu background is a perfect match for jpg compression, which is why I was suggesting to use that. [09:28] does ubuntu use jpg for anything? [09:28] hunger: right [09:28] Amaranth: Most kde backgroungs. [09:28] isn't there a patent on jpg that just hasn't been enforced? (like gif was) [09:29] Amaranth: kubuntu comes with about 50 backgrounds and uses about 5 times the space of the 2 gnome ones. [09:29] Amaranth: Not that I am aware of... but possible. === Amaranth wonders when you would ever want 50 backgrounds [09:29] Amaranth: In fact: So do I;-) [09:29] kde is all about more options [09:30] ha, IBM says they've been able to build G5s for laptops this whole time [09:32] Well, encode your pictures however you want... I do not have to care about the bandwith to update them whichever format you are going to use. [09:33] i don't think they ever get updated [09:33] what's the package name? [09:33] Amaranth: Yes... considering that they are still called warty;-) [09:33] gnome-backgrounds? [09:34] Amaranth: ubuntu-artwork [09:34] ubuntu-artwork? [09:34] ah [09:35] 3 different debs [09:35] could just be 3 different versions of ubuntu === ivoks [~ivoks@wall2.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ups [~ups@203.200.180.51] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [shackan@host235-107.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xxenon [xxenon@81.13.238.141] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] stupid me -- /etc/init.d/gdm stop != /etc/init.d/gpm stop [09:54] pitti: You are doing this too? [09:54] hunger: I fixed a gpm bug in the init script, but mistyped... === jonathan_ [~jonathan@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] Hey trulux [10:09] hey pitti === hunger [~hunger@p54A65929.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["...] === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JanC [~janc@dD5764BEC.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:19] hi pitti [10:19] Hi shackan === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@gnulinuxer.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:20] I'm one of the lucky guys doing the SoC with you, remember ? === chmj [~chmj@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] which one are you? your whois doesn't have a name [10:21] shackan: of course, I already missed you :-) [10:21] sorry but I was without an internet connection until yesterday [10:22] pitti, I have a question, is it ok if I put the code on berlios ? [10:23] morning [10:23] Hey Kamion === zeedo [~zeedo@www.reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:23] shackan: I don't mind where the code is, as long as I can download it (what's berlios?) [10:24] shackan: will you use a vcs? Maybe even arch? :-) [10:24] http://developer.berlios.de/ [10:24] berlios relies on svn, but it seems they have cvs too [10:25] btw, what is arch ? :) [10:25] hook him up with bzr? :) [10:25] shackan: sure, that looks fine; however, please use svn, cvs is soo evil [10:25] Amaranth: good idea :-) [10:25] arch is a distributed vcs [10:26] shackan: GNU arch is another version control system; one particular implementation ("bazaar") is very popular among the Ubuntu developers === Amaranth doesn't know how to explain it [10:26] shackan: it has a strong emphasis on branching [10:26] mmkay, sorry I didn't know that [10:26] basically anyone can work on something with full vcs capabilities on their own branch then just point you to the branch when they're done [10:26] well, svn is certainly fine for now [10:27] shackan: see Amaranth, right; and then you can merge and cherrypick from each other [10:27] nice :) [10:29] bazaar-ng usable yet? [10:29] err, that should have an is [10:29] Amaranth: I use it for pmount now [10:29] Amaranth: I emulate "push" with a wrapper that calls rsync [10:30] Amaranth: but pull, commit, diff, log, merge, etc. work fine [10:30] what about pull? [10:30] oh, pull is done? [10:30] yes [10:30] bzr is a breeze, it's so much easier to set up than bazaar-ng [10:30] erm, bazaar [10:31] it always takes me a while to get a newbie going with baz [10:31] hrm, didn't debian have a newer version of bzr once? [10:31] i mean, they had a version newer than ubuntu's version [10:32] Amaranth: 0.0.5 is in breezy too, but it's ftbfs [10:32] ah, that's what it was [10:32] Amaranth: I nagged bob2___ a while ago, but he didn't fix it yet [10:32] ok, bzr lovers, use debian! :D [10:32] Amaranth: I use bzr bzr head :-) [10:32] that's kinda funny [10:33] Amaranth: I just downloaded bzr.dev and do a "bzr pull" from time to time. 0.0.5 doesn't have merge yet [10:33] pitti: lol [10:34] lifeless: ? [10:34] "bzr is a breeze, it's so much easier to set up than bazaar-ng" [10:34] lifeless: conceptually [10:34] oh its true [10:34] it was the bzr is easier than bzr thing I laughed at [10:35] lifeless: personally I really love baz, but explaining all the id and archive setup always takes a while for newbies [10:35] sweet, thanks [10:35] lifeless: erm, bazaar :-) [10:35] 1.5 is bringing in much nicer inventory management [10:35] should make some performance difference too ;) [10:35] lifeless: btw, thanks for fixing relative paths with undo/commit - that really sucked [10:35] nice [10:36] pitti: cool [10:36] leonerd did the heavy lifting there, if you want to thank him ;) === vuntz [~vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:39] now we just need a bzr gnome-vfs backend that does branches on copy (from remote to local) and merges on copy (from local to remote?) [10:40] Amaranth: a copy _is_ a branch in bzr (there's no explicit branch command AFAIK) [10:40] well, i meant something like DnD from nautilus windows [10:41] yes, I meant that branch is essentially already implemented :-) === Jimbob [~jcape@c-24-14-115-101.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:41] Amaranth: and since merge requires manual resolving, this probably won't happen with DnD [10:42] Amaranth: but push would be nice [10:42] DnD and open gedit with tabs of things that need to be merged === Amaranth has never used bzr and doesn't know how this works [10:43] does it crap in your files like cvs does? === pitti still prefers a single "bzr push" shell command [10:43] Amaranth: I didn't try conflicted merges [10:43] Amaranth: my bigger projects with many branches (postgresql) use bazaar, I don't yet dare to use bzr [10:44] Amaranth: what do you mean by crap in your files ? === pitti assumes the >>> ORIG <<< NEW thing like CVS does [10:45] lifeless: Well, cvs dumps something like diff output in your files [10:45] i spent the last day or so wrapping my head around bazaar and playing with it [10:45] i am in love. [10:45] Is there a straightforward method of using eclipse/cdt to make GTK projects, i.e. on the linux platform, I would normally use "pkg-config" to configure all the libs and includes for gtk and/or glade.. how can i integrate such functionality into eclipse? [10:45] Amaranth: if you mean the <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ... ======================== etc like pitti is indicating, yes - thats diff3 merge conflict output [10:45] niran: sweet === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-31-215.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:46] lifeless: For once, that's a good thing. My idea could work. :) [10:46] lifeless: I think the bazaar .orig and .rej approach is nicer [10:46] lifeless: I would just like to get the .rej files in unidiff format [10:46] when merging with conflicts, it could open gedit with a tab for each conflicting file [10:46] but AFAIK patch doesn't support that [10:46] Kamion morning [10:47] pitti: yah. the problem there is repeated merges - bazaar does diff3 conflict foo too if you use merge. [10:47] Kamion: if you want to send me your try i can do easily a test build.... [10:47] save them and the conflict is resolved [10:47] Kamion: i have 2 buildd's idling ;) [10:47] pitti: hopefully we'll get some interesting results out of bzr and be able to improve this [10:47] fabbione: edit build/config/sparc/sparc64/netboot-2.6.cfg, replace the KERNELNAME value with just 'vmlinuz' === fabbione will try [10:48] I much prefer CVS/svn's approach to conflicts, FWIW [10:48] although as pitti says unidiff .rej files would help [10:48] Kamion: I'd like to have that in patch in general [10:48] patch --unidiff-rej [10:48] Kamion: I like the diff output, I don't like the extra files you have to remove before it considers the conflict resolved [10:49] applying non-unidiff rejected patches is a PITA [10:49] the CVS/svn approach means that one does not have to either (a) use specialised tools like emacs' 3diff mode or (b) copy chunks of stuff from one file to another in order to resolve the conflict [10:49] hm, right [10:49] it's just "edit single file" [10:49] Amaranth: yeah, 'baz resolved' should remove those for you [10:50] pitti: is there such an option ? [10:50] lifeless: no, but there should be :-/ [10:50] lifeless: it's badly missing [10:50] Kamion: nice idea, care to file a bug ? [10:51] lifeless: sure, doing now [10:51] Amaranth: baz doesn't require the files to be removed, unless one deliberately configures a tree to be like that. it used to require it by default . [10:51] lifeless: it's already filed, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/360 [10:53] Kamion: heh, ok [10:53] Kamion: baz resolved is too much work [10:54] Amaranth: baz resolved --all [10:54] Kamion: whether i've cleaned up the file to remove the diff stuff or not, next time i commit it consider it resolved [10:54] that's how i think it should be, anyway [10:54] Amaranth: I take it you've never put yourself in merge hell by committing the <<<<====>>>> lines? [10:55] nope [10:55] but you shouldn't blame the user for the failings of the computer [10:55] s/blame/torture/ [10:56] it's not the computer that failed... [10:56] then i didn't understand what 'merge hell' was [10:56] lifeless: indeed, maybe resolved should be dropped and instead bzr should refuse to commit a file if it contains such markers [10:56] (and bazaar, too) :-) [10:57] pitti: well, resolved was added by user request. [10:57] hm, ok [10:57] some things will annoy some users but please others [10:57] lifeless: well, it's necessary with external rej files, but also with inline markers? [10:57] I'm sure that I'd get bug reports if we had a heuristic on files - what if you *do* want ====== lines in your file [10:58] pitti: Actually, I like your idea plus a 'resolved' command for forcing things through. [10:58] pitti: huh? external rej files don't affect commit or not-commit. resolved is 100% UI assistance. [10:58] and _no_ extra files === marilize [~marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:59] lifeless: When would you have a bunch of s in the same file? [10:59] lifeless: other than when you've got a conflict [10:59] well in my specific case, when I'm testing conflict output ;) [11:00] but the point is that its a heuristic - its hoping that noone else does that [11:00] you could use the file's modified time to figure out if the user edited the file after it conflicted [11:00] vcs tools should not impose limits on what you can store in them [11:01] well, right, that was the advantage of external .rej files [11:12] Kamion: meh.... E: Couldn't find package cdrom-core-modules-2.4.27-2-sparc32-di [11:12] we are still trying to build 2.4 :P [11:12] and sparc32 ;) [11:12] huh [11:13] don't see where - please mail me the new build log? [11:15] it's in the miniiso.. [11:16] sure.. in a minute.. i wasn't saving the log [11:25] Kamion: the first fix seems to work :) [11:25] (mail on the way) === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@gnulinuxer.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [~JaneW@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [~herzi@d014111.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [~JaneW@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === JaneW [~JaneW@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:41] fabbione: oh, ok, try putting 'MEDIUM_SUPPORTED = 2.6' at the top of build/config/sparc/cdrom.cfg please [11:42] Kamion: building [11:44] hmm p-a-l is going to be a very interesting challenge :/ === thesaltydog [~yoshi@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128_ [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-37-108.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [shackan@host5-137.pool8255.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:52] Kamion: the next error is interesting.. it's trying to use cramfs... === fabbione digs === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:53] INITRD_FS = cramfs [11:53] hmm [11:53] isn't that correct? 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