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| jsgotangco | morning | 01:15 |
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| mgalvin | hi jsgotangco | 01:16 |
| jsgotangco | mgalvin: hey | 01:18 |
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| judax | Hello | 01:31 |
| JonA | Hey guys, it the transcript of last night's meeting up? I've been snowed under with work this last week like never before :-) | 01:31 |
| judax | I have not seen it yet, jsgotangco said he was going to do it when he woke up, I went to the mtg however | 01:32 |
| jsgotangco | the chat transcript are always available in fabbione's shell | 01:33 |
| judax | jsgotangco: you didn't sleep long | 01:33 |
| jsgotangco | i haven't done the minutes...i just woke up 2 hours ago :) | 01:33 |
| jsgotangco | yeah i can survive a 4 hour sleep | 01:33 |
| judax | that would kill me | 01:33 |
| JonA | jsgotangco: Got a URL for fabbione's webspace? Much appreciated :-) | 01:33 |
| jsgotangco | hold on | 01:34 |
| jsgotangco | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 01:34 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm brb im going to move to gnome | 01:36 |
| jsgotangco | need to do some gui stuff now | 01:36 |
| jsgotangco | :) | 01:36 |
| judax | bah | 01:36 |
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| jsgotangco | hmm the live hula account doesnt seem to accept email | 01:41 |
| JonA | Thanks for the URL, jsgotangco. | 01:41 |
| judax | jsgotangco: aren't we basing our docspecs on the one for the StyleGuide? | 01:41 |
| jsgotangco | JonA: its in the topic btw :) | 01:41 |
| jsgotangco | judax: its favored for consistency, but the premise is that all docs should have an overview | 01:42 |
| judax | agreed, I see that froud put some docspec outlines in svn for Kubuntu that are a bit different than the format that the | 01:43 |
| judax | Styleguide uses | 01:43 |
| judax | I was going to begin writing one and wanted to be consistent | 01:44 |
| JonA | jsgotangco: Hey, people read those things?! :-) | 01:45 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 01:45 |
| judax | nobody ever said that :) | 01:45 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm strange the hula calendar app assumes every sched needs an invitation | 01:46 |
| jsgotangco | even events | 01:47 |
| judax | anyway, I don't think it would look good if all docspecs were done differently | 01:50 |
| jsgotangco | i agree | 01:55 |
| judax | jsgotangco: I am going to do it on the wiki in the style the jeffsch used and worry about the stuff in svn later | 01:57 |
| jsgotangco | yeah i agree we make it simpler first | 01:59 |
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| waterseven | Hi there... Is anyone here that does translations? I am not sure if this is the right channel to get some help with rosetta.... | 04:30 |
| jsgotangco | sure but translations are now done in launchpad... | 04:34 |
| waterseven | launchpad.... I can't find the template that has the 'Add/remove programs' application such that I can translate it. | 04:41 |
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| jsgotangco | jeezz this meeting minutes is long | 06:31 |
| jsgotangco | we covered so much | 06:31 |
| === Liz is bad for not reading it | ||
| jdub | hello liz.au | 06:35 |
| jdub | whereabouts are you? | 06:35 |
| Liz | nsw | 06:39 |
| Liz | about an hour south of sydney | 06:39 |
| Liz | in wollongong | 06:40 |
| Liz | i believe your wifes giving a talk next week at sclug :) | 06:40 |
| Liz | and im quite looking forwred to it | 06:41 |
| jdub | cool | 06:41 |
| Burgundavia | apparently Ubuntu has "something with python" | 06:53 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.grep.be/blog/2005/06/30/#ubuntu_debian_sidegrade | 06:53 |
| Liz | btw jdub ..is there a way to produce a filter that will just delete an email on the list instead of defering it? | 06:54 |
| Liz | im thinking more of the email lotto emails that have been coming through | 06:54 |
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| jdub | Burgundavia: we do :) | 07:06 |
| jdub | Liz: there's a "discard all marked deferred" at the bottom and top | 07:06 |
| Burgundavia | jdub, I thought the comment was funny | 07:06 |
| Liz | jdub, is there a way to just filter all the lotto emails out without having to "discard all marked deferred"..or does that do an automatic filter? | 07:09 |
| Liz | i kinda thought that would do it on the whole email address | 07:09 |
| jdub | Liz: oh, not quite like that, no | 07:10 |
| jdub | Liz: when we shift the lists to the datacentre, we'll have reasonable spam filtering and so on | 07:10 |
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| Liz | ahh..ok..thought id ask anyway :) | 07:14 |
| jsgotangco | hey Liz nice seeing you again | 08:12 |
| Burgundavia | the stuff that google is funding for ubuntu has now been posted | 08:13 |
| Burgundavia | cool stuff | 08:13 |
| Burgundavia | Small business server, firewalls, python modules, simple backup | 08:14 |
| jsgotangco | oh so small business server has become a bounty | 08:18 |
| Burgundavia | indeed | 08:19 |
| Burgundavia | how about xen? | 08:19 |
| jsgotangco | no idea | 08:20 |
| Burgundavia | if even half this stuff gets finished, it will be great | 08:20 |
| Burgundavia | no, it is also bountied | 08:20 |
| Burgundavia | http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBounties | 08:20 |
| Liz | hi jsgotangco ..everyone.. | 08:21 |
| Liz | excuse my rudeness for not saying hi earlier | 08:21 |
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| jsgotangco | no problem i just arrived from lunch | 08:22 |
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| froud | African Greetings | 08:25 |
| Burgundavia | salut froud | 08:25 |
| froud | how r u Burgundavia ? | 08:27 |
| Liz | hiya froud | 08:27 |
| Burgundavia | not bad | 08:27 |
| Burgundavia | my relationship with my ex is getting better | 08:27 |
| froud | Liz my darling Linux Chick, where have you been | 08:27 |
| froud | Burgundavia: thats good | 08:27 |
| Liz | here there and nowhere cause ive been lazy..heh | 08:28 |
| Burgundavia | and I learned that one of the people i did Katimavik with has a kid, with another one of the people I did katimvik with | 08:28 |
| froud | Katimavik? | 08:28 |
| Liz | how are you and family froud ? | 08:28 |
| froud | We're good | 08:28 |
| froud | cold caus eits winter, but good | 08:28 |
| Liz | :) | 08:28 |
| Liz | yeah, we have hte same complaint here | 08:29 |
| Liz | that and too much rain | 08:29 |
| froud | you in middle earth right? | 08:29 |
| Liz | well..southern earth more like | 08:29 |
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| Liz | heh | 08:29 |
| Liz | new south wales australia froud | 08:30 |
| froud | we dont get rain in the winter, just chills | 08:30 |
| Liz | i think i prefer the rain to none | 08:30 |
| froud | Oh yeah, no worries | 08:30 |
| jsgotangco | i'd pay for winter in my place | 08:30 |
| jsgotangco | cost of airconditioning is killing me | 08:30 |
| froud | well when I live din Melbourne it seemed to rain all the time | 08:30 |
| froud | jsgotangco: noooo heat, gimme heat | 08:31 |
| froud | jsgotangco: hot, slippery and swetty nights | 08:31 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 08:31 |
| jsgotangco | i didnt know you lived in Melbourne | 08:31 |
| froud | yes, was on contract for a year with Medibank Private | 08:31 |
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| Liz | lol | 08:31 |
| mdke | morning all | 08:31 |
| jsgotangco | no way i'm so tired of hot, humid environments | 08:31 |
| Liz | hiya mdke | 08:31 |
| Liz | i dont mind some heat | 08:31 |
| froud | jsgotangco: I grew up in Durban, hot and humid | 08:32 |
| Liz | and no images Burgundavia | 08:32 |
| jsgotangco | btw, meeting minutes almost done, sheeshh..we've covered so much last night the minutes are so long | 08:32 |
| mdke | :) | 08:32 |
| froud | Burgundavia: wrong images are good | 08:32 |
| mdke | but we made lots of decisions | 08:32 |
| froud | hello mdke | 08:32 |
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| mdke | yo froud | 08:32 |
| Burgundavia | froud, sorry man, but not of you | 08:32 |
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| froud | He he I hope not | 08:32 |
| jsgotangco | ok let me finish this first | 08:33 |
| jsgotangco | argghh | 08:33 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: and i was about to ask you to review it first | 08:33 |
| jsgotangco | grr | 08:33 |
| froud | Liz: you gonna work on some docs | 08:33 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, did you write that? | 08:33 |
| Liz | shortly froud i will be | 08:33 |
| Liz | just about caught up on all things ive put off with uni word | 08:33 |
| froud | Cool, are you doing gnome or kde? | 08:33 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: write what | 08:33 |
| Liz | gnome | 08:33 |
| froud | these days | 08:33 |
| froud | Ok cool | 08:33 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, the doc you committed just now | 08:34 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: its in the wiki, its almost done | 08:34 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: yeah, it sucks | 08:34 |
| mdke | oh | 08:34 |
| froud | question to all. Can I move trunk/debain to gnome/debian | 08:34 |
| mdke | what page is it in the wiki | 08:34 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: not in our wiki | 08:34 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: colin applegate wrote that, you should see him in the summit | 08:35 |
| jsgotangco | well not should | 08:35 |
| jsgotangco | i meant | 08:35 |
| jsgotangco | you might see him | 08:35 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, in the edubuntu wiki, what url is it | 08:35 |
| mdke | i can't find it | 08:35 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: its not there, i just grabbed it from the list | 08:35 |
| mdke | oh | 08:35 |
| mdke | 07:34 < jsgotangco> mdke: its in the wiki | 08:35 |
| froud | ppl. Can I move trunk/debain to gnome/debian | 08:36 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: i meant the minutes | 08:36 |
| jsgotangco | froud: why gnome? | 08:36 |
| froud | cause it is only gnome | 08:36 |
| froud | and we now have kde/debian | 08:36 |
| jsgotangco | hrrmm | 08:36 |
| jsgotangco | for consistency? | 08:36 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, ah i c | 08:36 |
| froud | yes and practical reasons | 08:36 |
| froud | during build | 08:37 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, is there still a question mark over where the edubuntu docs are going to be worked on? | 08:37 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: if you catch up ogra, can you say hi for me | 08:37 |
| mdke | alright | 08:37 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: yup, its still in flux....still have to wait for the live cd | 08:37 |
| mdke | i saw the list thread | 08:37 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: and tell ogra not to ignore the fish if its given to him heh | 08:37 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: maintaining documentation in moin is not a good idea IMO | 08:38 |
| jsgotangco | although its possible | 08:38 |
| mdke | yeah i'll let them know the limitations | 08:38 |
| mdke | henrik knows em too | 08:38 |
| jsgotangco | henrik is coming? | 08:38 |
| mdke | yes | 08:38 |
| jsgotangco | oh cool | 08:39 |
| mdke | thank god | 08:39 |
| mdke | otherwise there'd be not a single person i know | 08:39 |
| mdke | ;) | 08:39 |
| jsgotangco | oh they're incredibly easy to spot | 08:39 |
| jsgotangco | ogra looks like a rock guitar player | 08:39 |
| mdke | haha | 08:40 |
| mdke | i'm not so good at the whole schmoozing thing so fingers crosse | 08:40 |
| mdke | d | 08:40 |
| jsgotangco | schmoozing? | 08:40 |
| jsgotangco | kiss? | 08:40 |
| mdke | socialising | 08:40 |
| mdke | heh no | 08:40 |
| jsgotangco | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeamMeetingSummary6 | 08:41 |
| jsgotangco | can you review that while you're here | 08:42 |
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| jsgotangco | its almost done, just the wiki part and the jdub part | 08:42 |
| mdke | not properly | 08:42 |
| mdke | i should leave soon | 08:42 |
| jsgotangco | ok | 08:42 |
| mdke | looks comprehensive though! | 08:42 |
| jsgotangco | jeezz we had 2 solid hours | 08:43 |
| jsgotangco | i barely slept.. | 08:43 |
| mdke | ouch | 08:43 |
| jsgotangco | woke up around 5:30AM | 08:43 |
| mdke | bloody hell | 08:43 |
| jsgotangco | i had to leave by 6am | 08:44 |
| mdke | and I thought I hadn't had much sleep | 08:44 |
| mdke | ok i'm off | 08:44 |
| mdke | see ya later | 08:44 |
| jsgotangco | later | 08:44 |
| froud | jsgotangco: nice work dude | 08:46 |
| jsgotangco | almost done.. | 08:46 |
| froud | jsgotangco: your wife just came back from KL and you wake up at 5:30AM. No dude | 08:46 |
| jsgotangco | :P | 08:47 |
| froud | Liz: we need more linux chicks to help out on docs | 08:48 |
| froud | Liz: to bring some sanity to us and normalize the testosterone levels | 08:48 |
| Liz | heh...yeah right | 08:49 |
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| Liz | chicken ..heh | 08:58 |
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| Liz | :o | 09:09 |
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| froud | huh? | 09:37 |
| Burgundavia | your kde vendor drop | 09:38 |
| froud | Ah ha, could not be helped, svn does that by itself | 09:39 |
| froud | Ok changing computers. C you alllater | 09:39 |
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| jsgotangco | alright the minutes are done | 10:06 |
| jsgotangco | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeamMeetingSummary6 | 10:06 |
| jsgotangco | (long read btw) | 10:06 |
| robitaille | thanks for the minute. And totally agree with the very last quote from jdub (which explain why I didn't make it :) ) | 10:11 |
| jsgotangco | haha | 10:15 |
| judax | whoa | 10:15 |
| jsgotangco | it was 2am on his side when it ended | 10:15 |
| judax | that commit email is dang near choking Kmail | 10:15 |
| jsgotangco | mine was 12am | 10:15 |
| robitaille | so I guess I made it to the wiki team without attending? :) | 10:17 |
| robitaille | Which is fine, I was going to send an e-mail about the fact that I'm all for that | 10:17 |
| judax | beginnings of a docspec for kquickguide are at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KQuickGuide | 10:18 |
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| froud | when changing /etc/apt/sources.list for the first time, is it worth removing the deb cdrom ? | 10:21 |
| jsgotangco | i wouldn't really do that | 10:22 |
| robitaille | personally I never use the cdrom in my sources.list | 10:22 |
| jsgotangco | i just find it handy though to have it because i wouldn't have to download everything just in case | 10:23 |
| robitaille | probably because I can never find my Ubuntu CD... and I know all the updated stuff is online | 10:23 |
| jsgotangco | its not an issue really if you have a nice online connection | 10:24 |
| judax | I removed it, but I have fat pipe | 10:24 |
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| froud | yes, just thinking what is best to tell a user | 10:24 |
| froud | IMHO once you have the online repos you wont use the CD | 10:24 |
| judax | yes | 10:25 |
| froud | but then, some people like to install from CD and patch later | 10:25 |
| jsgotangco | yeah by default if there is no updated patch, it gets from the cd | 10:25 |
| judax | froud: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KQuickGuide as a start | 10:26 |
| judax | very young | 10:26 |
| jsgotangco | owww you beat me to it | 10:27 |
| judax | done quickly, so not proofed or done yet | 10:28 |
| froud | judax: cool dude | 10:29 |
| froud | I have to port it to svn | 10:29 |
| froud | question? | 10:30 |
| froud | when doing a dist-upgrade | 10:30 |
| froud | is it not better to do it just from a console login | 10:30 |
| froud | just incase there are mater to do with the display manager and x | 10:30 |
| robitaille | I don't think it matters (but could be wrong). I have done dist-upgrade from both console and X session, and can | 10:31 |
| jdub | no, no reason to | 10:32 |
| judax | I have only ever done dist-upgrades from CLI, but I have done them from within the DE, maybe pressing my luck | 10:32 |
| robitaille | t remember having a problem in one case not present in the other | 10:32 |
| Liz | bbl..the boy wants to use my machine | 10:32 |
| judax | need to sleep, short side of 4am here and the long side of a few Johnnie Walker's, take care | 10:33 |
| froud | Hmm, OK thanks | 10:33 |
| froud | judax: cheer | 10:33 |
| jsgotangco | nice | 10:34 |
| froud | dudes you may have seen an upstream kde vendor drop in vendor/kde/doc | 10:36 |
| froud | I will send mail to explain its use later | 10:37 |
| froud | now question? | 10:37 |
| froud | would ppl rather make a copy to trunk/kde/ | 10:37 |
| froud | or work with it in vendor/kde/doc | 10:38 |
| jsgotangco | i have no idea | 10:38 |
| froud | anyone else | 10:38 |
| froud | darn svn is at 1.0 | 10:39 |
| froud | can t use links | 10:39 |
| froud | need svn 1.1 | 10:40 |
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| froud | OK cant find him | 10:42 |
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| froud | really like the format Jeffsch has started for the doc specs | 11:22 |
| froud | simple easy quick | 11:22 |
| jsgotangco | oh yeah | 11:25 |
| froud | anyone know where I can find information about the graphical installer | 11:26 |
| jsgotangco | have you tried the udu wiki? | 11:31 |
| froud | yes, I found this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalInstaller?highlight=%28Installer%29%7C%28Graphical%29 | 11:36 |
| froud | anyone know how far along this is. Will it be included in a Colony (which one) so we can update the installation guide ? | 11:43 |
| jsgotangco | you can try asking Kamion if he's online | 11:47 |
| froud | thanks | 11:47 |
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| froud | kamion is meeting with mdz next week to discuss the graphical installer. When it will be available for documentation is still not known | 11:56 |
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| jsgotangco | ahh | 12:04 |
| Njal | Unfortunatly i have to reinstall my system, due to a failing hard drive amung other things, so i will not be writing patches for the next few days | 12:07 |
| jsgotangco | Njal: no worries, patches are always welcome anytime | 12:08 |
| Njal | I know, i'd rather not have to reinstall, but i have to, can someone email me the instruction's to set up the CVS again, since everything's gona be wiped | 12:09 |
| jsgotangco | mmm? | 12:11 |
| jsgotangco | svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-docs | 12:12 |
| Njal | oh i'll just save the page on to one of my CD's that i'm backing up on to | 12:13 |
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| froud | Thoughts and ideas on the cover for the the printed version of the Kubuntu User Guide welcome http://lnix.net/~froud/artwork/kubuntu-cover.png | 01:02 |
| froud | inkscape src available at https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/artwork/kubuntu-cover.svg | 01:02 |
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| mgalvin | hi all | 04:35 |
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| FLeiXiuS | Hey | 05:39 |
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| froud | Anyone installed Kubuntu Breezy? | 07:11 |
| froud | I'm having problems with the dist-upgrade | 07:12 |
| froud | when it finished xserver, kdm and kde are all removed | 07:12 |
| froud | only a console remains | 07:13 |
| froud | anyone else had this problem? | 07:13 |
| FLeiXiuS | Might want to try #kubuntu :-P | 07:17 |
| judax | froud: I think there are X issues from what I read on the lists and boards, but there are easy fixes/workarounds | 07:18 |
| froud | pointers? | 07:19 |
| froud | URL | 07:19 |
| judax | froud: I have not done upgrade just what I read | 07:19 |
| judax | froud: bah, just whacked all my list mail | 07:19 |
| froud | OK, need to get a breezy running soon, there are some heavy changes. KControl Center is replaced with KDE-SystemSettings | 07:20 |
| judax | there is a pretty active current breezy X thread, I will ping you when I find it | 07:20 |
| froud | judax: Riddle has pointed me here http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap | 07:20 |
| froud | but knowing what is and is not being worked on is hit-and-run | 07:21 |
| froud | Strange Ubuntu did work with a few nudges | 07:22 |
| judax | ok, I'll take a look at that page | 07:23 |
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| mdke | evening all | 08:22 |
| jjesse | afternoon | 08:32 |
| froud | hello jjesse take a look at http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap | 09:07 |
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| judax | well, there goes the Kynaptic documentation | 09:57 |
| jjesse | YaY | 10:23 |
| froud | yep | 10:25 |
| froud | Kapture | 10:25 |
| froud | but the main problem is that it is hard to know what is and is notbeing worked on | 10:25 |
| froud | hard to plan docs when its like this | 10:25 |
| froud | and a colony cd for breezy k is way to close to release | 10:26 |
| jjesse | that colony cd will be both ubuntu and kubuntu right? | 10:29 |
| froud | well either way | 10:29 |
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