[01:15] <jsgotangco> morning
[01:16] <mgalvin> hi jsgotangco
[01:18] <jsgotangco> mgalvin: hey
[01:31] <judax> Hello
[01:31] <JonA> Hey guys, it the transcript of last night's meeting up? I've been snowed under with work this last week like never before :-)
[01:32] <judax> I have not seen it yet, jsgotangco said he was going to do it when he woke up, I went to the mtg however
[01:33] <jsgotangco> the chat transcript are always available in fabbione's shell
[01:33] <judax> jsgotangco: you didn't sleep long
[01:33] <jsgotangco> i haven't done the minutes...i just woke up 2 hours ago :)
[01:33] <jsgotangco> yeah i can survive a 4 hour sleep
[01:33] <judax> that would kill me
[01:33] <JonA> jsgotangco: Got a URL for fabbione's webspace? Much appreciated :-)
[01:34] <jsgotangco> hold on
[01:34] <jsgotangco> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[01:36] <jsgotangco> hmmm brb im going to move to gnome
[01:36] <jsgotangco> need to do some gui stuff now
[01:36] <jsgotangco> :)
[01:36] <judax> bah
[01:41] <jsgotangco> hmm the live hula account doesnt seem to accept email
[01:41] <JonA> Thanks for the URL, jsgotangco.
[01:41] <judax> jsgotangco: aren't we basing our docspecs on the one for the StyleGuide?
[01:41] <jsgotangco> JonA: its in the topic btw :)
[01:42] <jsgotangco> judax: its favored for consistency, but the premise is that all docs should have an overview
[01:43] <judax> agreed, I see that froud put some docspec outlines in svn for Kubuntu that are a bit different than the format that the
[01:43] <judax> Styleguide uses
[01:44] <judax> I was going to begin writing one and wanted to be consistent
[01:45] <JonA> jsgotangco: Hey, people read those things?! :-)
[01:45] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:45] <judax> nobody ever said that :)
[01:46] <jsgotangco> hmmm strange the hula calendar app assumes every sched needs an invitation
[01:47] <jsgotangco> even events
[01:50] <judax> anyway, I don't think it would look good if all docspecs were done differently
[01:55] <jsgotangco> i agree
[01:57] <judax> jsgotangco: I am going to do it on the wiki in the style the jeffsch used and worry about the stuff in svn later
[01:59] <jsgotangco> yeah i agree we make it simpler first
[04:30] <waterseven> Hi there... Is anyone here that does translations? I am not sure if this is the right channel to get some help with rosetta.... 
[04:34] <jsgotangco> sure but translations are now done in launchpad...
[04:41] <waterseven> launchpad.... I can't find the template that has the 'Add/remove programs' application such that I can translate it.
[06:31] <jsgotangco> jeezz this meeting minutes is long
[06:31] <jsgotangco> we covered so much
[06:35] <jdub> hello liz.au
[06:35] <jdub> whereabouts are you?
[06:39] <Liz> nsw
[06:39] <Liz> about an hour south of sydney
[06:40] <Liz> in wollongong
[06:40] <Liz> i believe your wifes giving a talk next week at sclug :)
[06:41] <Liz> and im quite looking forwred to it
[06:41] <jdub> cool
[06:53] <Burgundavia> apparently Ubuntu has "something with python" 
[06:53] <Burgundavia> http://www.grep.be/blog/2005/06/30/#ubuntu_debian_sidegrade
[06:54] <Liz>  btw jdub ..is there a way to produce a filter that will just delete an email on the list instead of defering it?
[06:54] <Liz> im thinking more of the email lotto emails that have been coming through
[07:06] <jdub> Burgundavia: we do :)
[07:06] <jdub> Liz: there's a "discard all marked deferred" at the bottom and top
[07:06] <Burgundavia> jdub, I thought the comment was funny
[07:09] <Liz> jdub, is there a way to just filter all the lotto emails out without having to "discard all marked deferred"..or does that do an automatic filter?
[07:09] <Liz> i kinda thought that would do it on the whole email address
[07:10] <jdub> Liz: oh, not quite like that, no
[07:10] <jdub> Liz: when we shift the lists to the datacentre, we'll have reasonable spam filtering and so on
[07:14] <Liz> ahh..ok..thought id ask anyway :)
[08:12] <jsgotangco> hey Liz nice seeing you again
[08:13] <Burgundavia> the stuff that google is funding for ubuntu has now been posted
[08:13] <Burgundavia> cool stuff
[08:14] <Burgundavia> Small business server, firewalls, python modules, simple backup
[08:18] <jsgotangco> oh so small business server has become a bounty
[08:19] <Burgundavia> indeed
[08:19] <Burgundavia> how about xen?
[08:20] <jsgotangco> no idea
[08:20] <Burgundavia> if even half this stuff gets finished, it will be great
[08:20] <Burgundavia> no, it is also bountied
[08:20] <Burgundavia> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBounties
[08:21] <Liz> hi jsgotangco ..everyone..
[08:21] <Liz> excuse my rudeness for not saying hi earlier
[08:22] <jsgotangco> no problem i just arrived from lunch
[08:25] <froud> African Greetings
[08:25] <Burgundavia> salut froud
[08:27] <froud> how r u Burgundavia ?
[08:27] <Liz> hiya froud 
[08:27] <Burgundavia> not bad
[08:27] <Burgundavia> my relationship with my ex is getting better
[08:27] <froud> Liz my darling Linux Chick, where have you been
[08:27] <froud> Burgundavia: thats good
[08:28] <Liz> here there and nowhere cause ive been lazy..heh
[08:28] <Burgundavia> and I learned that one of the people i did Katimavik with has a kid, with another one of the people I did katimvik with
[08:28] <froud> Katimavik?
[08:28] <Liz> how are you and family froud ?
[08:28] <froud> We're good
[08:28] <froud> cold caus eits winter, but good
[08:28] <Liz> :)
[08:29] <Liz> yeah, we have hte same complaint here
[08:29] <Liz> that and too much rain
[08:29] <froud> you in middle earth right?
[08:29] <Liz> well..southern earth more like
[08:29] <Liz> heh
[08:30] <Liz> new south wales australia froud
[08:30] <froud> we dont get rain in the winter, just chills
[08:30] <Liz> i think i prefer the rain to none
[08:30] <froud> Oh yeah, no worries
[08:30] <jsgotangco> i'd pay for winter in my place
[08:30] <jsgotangco> cost of airconditioning is killing me
[08:30] <froud> well when I live din Melbourne it seemed to rain all the time
[08:31] <froud> jsgotangco: noooo heat, gimme heat
[08:31] <froud> jsgotangco: hot, slippery and swetty nights
[08:31] <jsgotangco> wow
[08:31] <jsgotangco> i didnt know you lived in Melbourne
[08:31] <froud> yes, was on contract for a year with Medibank Private
[08:31] <Liz> lol
[08:31] <mdke> morning all
[08:31] <jsgotangco> no way i'm so tired of hot, humid environments
[08:31] <Liz> hiya mdke 
[08:31] <Liz> i dont mind some heat
[08:32] <froud> jsgotangco: I grew up in Durban, hot and humid
[08:32] <Liz> and no images Burgundavia 
[08:32] <jsgotangco> btw, meeting minutes almost done, sheeshh..we've covered so much last night the minutes are so long
[08:32] <mdke> :)
[08:32] <froud> Burgundavia: wrong images are good
[08:32] <mdke> but we made lots of decisions
[08:32] <froud> hello mdke 
[08:32] <mdke> yo froud 
[08:32] <Burgundavia> froud, sorry man, but not of you
[08:32] <froud> He he I hope not
[08:33] <jsgotangco> ok let me finish this first
[08:33] <jsgotangco> argghh
[08:33] <jsgotangco> mdke: and i was about to ask you to review it first
[08:33] <jsgotangco> grr
[08:33] <froud> Liz: you gonna work on some docs
[08:33] <mdke> jsgotangco, did you write that?
[08:33] <Liz> shortly froud i will be
[08:33] <Liz> just about caught up on all things ive put off with uni word
[08:33] <froud> Cool, are you doing gnome or kde?
[08:33] <jsgotangco> mdke: write what
[08:33] <Liz> gnome
[08:33] <froud> these days
[08:33] <froud> Ok cool
[08:34] <mdke> jsgotangco, the doc you committed just now
[08:34] <jsgotangco> mdke: its in the wiki, its almost done
[08:34] <jsgotangco> mdke: yeah, it sucks
[08:34] <mdke> oh
[08:34] <froud> question to all. Can I move trunk/debain to gnome/debian
[08:34] <mdke> what page is it in the wiki
[08:34] <jsgotangco> mdke: not in our wiki
[08:35] <jsgotangco> mdke: colin applegate wrote that, you should see him in the summit
[08:35] <jsgotangco> well not should
[08:35] <jsgotangco> i meant
[08:35] <jsgotangco> you might see him
[08:35] <mdke> jsgotangco, in the edubuntu wiki, what url is it
[08:35] <mdke> i can't find it
[08:35] <jsgotangco> mdke: its not there, i just grabbed it from the list
[08:35] <mdke> oh
[08:35] <mdke> 07:34 < jsgotangco> mdke: its in the wiki
[08:36] <froud> ppl. Can I move trunk/debain to gnome/debian
[08:36] <jsgotangco> mdke: i meant the minutes
[08:36] <jsgotangco> froud: why gnome?
[08:36] <froud> cause it is only gnome
[08:36] <froud> and we now have kde/debian
[08:36] <jsgotangco> hrrmm
[08:36] <jsgotangco> for consistency?
[08:36] <mdke> jsgotangco, ah i c
[08:36] <froud> yes and practical reasons
[08:37] <froud> during build
[08:37] <mdke> jsgotangco, is there still a question mark over where the edubuntu docs are going to be worked on?
[08:37] <jsgotangco> mdke: if you catch up ogra, can you say hi for me
[08:37] <mdke> alright
[08:37] <jsgotangco> mdke: yup, its still in flux....still have to wait for the live cd
[08:37] <mdke> i saw the list thread
[08:37] <jsgotangco> mdke: and tell ogra not to ignore the fish if its given to him heh
[08:38] <jsgotangco> mdke: maintaining documentation in moin is not a good idea IMO
[08:38] <jsgotangco> although its possible
[08:38] <mdke> yeah i'll let them know the limitations
[08:38] <mdke> henrik knows em too
[08:38] <jsgotangco> henrik is coming?
[08:38] <mdke> yes
[08:39] <jsgotangco> oh cool
[08:39] <mdke> thank god
[08:39] <mdke> otherwise there'd be not a single person i know
[08:39] <mdke> ;)
[08:39] <jsgotangco> oh they're incredibly easy to spot
[08:39] <jsgotangco> ogra looks like a rock guitar player
[08:40] <mdke> haha
[08:40] <mdke> i'm not so good at the whole schmoozing thing so fingers crosse
[08:40] <mdke> d
[08:40] <jsgotangco> schmoozing?
[08:40] <jsgotangco> kiss?
[08:40] <mdke> socialising
[08:40] <mdke> heh no
[08:41] <jsgotangco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeamMeetingSummary6
[08:42] <jsgotangco> can you review that while you're here
[08:42] <jsgotangco> its almost done, just the wiki part and the jdub part
[08:42] <mdke> not properly
[08:42] <mdke> i should leave soon
[08:42] <jsgotangco> ok
[08:42] <mdke> looks comprehensive though!
[08:43] <jsgotangco> jeezz we had 2 solid hours
[08:43] <jsgotangco> i barely slept..
[08:43] <mdke> ouch
[08:43] <jsgotangco> woke up around 5:30AM
[08:43] <mdke> bloody hell
[08:44] <jsgotangco> i had to leave by 6am
[08:44] <mdke> and I thought I hadn't had much sleep
[08:44] <mdke> ok i'm off
[08:44] <mdke> see ya later
[08:44] <jsgotangco> later
[08:46] <froud> jsgotangco: nice work dude
[08:46] <jsgotangco> almost done..
[08:46] <froud> jsgotangco: your wife just came back from KL and you wake up at 5:30AM. No dude
[08:47] <jsgotangco> :P
[08:48] <froud> Liz: we need more linux chicks to help out on docs
[08:48] <froud> Liz: to bring some sanity to us and normalize the testosterone levels
[08:49] <Liz> heh...yeah right
[08:58] <Liz> chicken ..heh
[09:09] <Liz> :o
[09:37] <froud> huh?
[09:38] <Burgundavia> your kde vendor drop
[09:39] <froud> Ah ha, could not be helped, svn does that by itself
[09:39] <froud> Ok changing computers. C you alllater
[10:06] <jsgotangco> alright the minutes are done
[10:06] <jsgotangco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeamMeetingSummary6
[10:06] <jsgotangco> (long read btw)
[10:11] <robitaille> thanks for the minute.  And totally agree with the very last quote from jdub (which explain why I didn't make it :) )
[10:15] <jsgotangco> haha
[10:15] <judax> whoa
[10:15] <jsgotangco> it was 2am on his side when it ended
[10:15] <judax> that commit email is dang near choking Kmail
[10:15] <jsgotangco> mine was 12am
[10:17] <robitaille> so I guess I made it to the wiki team without attending?  :)
[10:17] <robitaille> Which is fine, I was going to send an e-mail about the fact that I'm all for that
[10:18] <judax> beginnings of a docspec for kquickguide are at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KQuickGuide
[10:21] <froud> when changing /etc/apt/sources.list for the first time, is it worth removing the deb cdrom ?
[10:22] <jsgotangco> i wouldn't really do that
[10:22] <robitaille> personally I never use the cdrom in my sources.list
[10:23] <jsgotangco> i just find it handy though to have it because i wouldn't have to download everything just in case
[10:23] <robitaille> probably because I can never find my Ubuntu CD... and I know all the updated stuff is online
[10:24] <jsgotangco> its not an issue really if you have a nice online connection
[10:24] <judax> I removed it, but I have fat pipe
[10:24] <froud> yes, just thinking what is best to tell a user
[10:24] <froud> IMHO once you have the online repos you wont use the CD
[10:25] <judax> yes
[10:25] <froud> but then, some people like to install from CD and patch later
[10:25] <jsgotangco> yeah by default if there is no updated patch, it gets from the cd
[10:26] <judax> froud: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KQuickGuide as a start
[10:26] <judax> very young
[10:27] <jsgotangco> owww you beat me to it
[10:28] <judax> done quickly, so not proofed or done yet
[10:29] <froud> judax: cool dude
[10:29] <froud> I have to port it to svn
[10:30] <froud> question?
[10:30] <froud> when doing a dist-upgrade
[10:30] <froud> is it not better to do it just from a console login
[10:30] <froud> just incase there are mater to do with the display manager and x
[10:31] <robitaille> I don't think it matters (but could be wrong).  I have done dist-upgrade from both console and X session, and can
[10:32] <jdub> no, no reason to
[10:32] <judax> I have only ever done dist-upgrades from CLI, but I have done them from within the DE, maybe pressing my luck
[10:32] <robitaille> t remember  having a problem in one case not present in the other
[10:32] <Liz> bbl..the boy wants to use my machine
[10:33] <judax> need to sleep, short side of 4am here and the long side of a few Johnnie Walker's, take care
[10:33] <froud> Hmm, OK thanks
[10:33] <froud> judax: cheer
[10:34] <jsgotangco> nice
[10:36] <froud> dudes you may have seen an upstream kde vendor drop in vendor/kde/doc
[10:37] <froud> I will send mail to explain its use later
[10:37] <froud> now question?
[10:37] <froud> would ppl rather make a copy to trunk/kde/
[10:38] <froud> or work with it in vendor/kde/doc
[10:38] <jsgotangco> i have no idea
[10:38] <froud> anyone else
[10:39] <froud> darn svn is at 1.0
[10:39] <froud> can t use links
[10:40] <froud> need svn 1.1
[10:42] <froud> OK cant find him
[11:22] <froud> really like the format Jeffsch has started for the doc specs
[11:22] <froud> simple easy quick
[11:25] <jsgotangco> oh yeah
[11:26] <froud> anyone know where I can find information about the graphical installer
[11:31] <jsgotangco> have you tried the udu wiki?
[11:36] <froud> yes, I found this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalInstaller?highlight=%28Installer%29%7C%28Graphical%29
[11:43] <froud> anyone know how far along this is. Will it be included in a Colony (which one) so we can update the installation guide ?
[11:47] <jsgotangco> you can try asking Kamion if he's online
[11:47] <froud> thanks
[11:56] <froud> kamion is meeting with mdz next week to discuss the graphical installer. When it will be available for documentation is still not known
[12:04] <jsgotangco> ahh
[12:07] <Njal> Unfortunatly i have to reinstall my system, due to a failing hard drive amung other things, so i will not be writing patches for the next few days
[12:08] <jsgotangco> Njal: no worries, patches are always welcome anytime
[12:09] <Njal> I know, i'd rather not have to reinstall, but i have to, can someone email me the instruction's to set up the CVS again, since everything's gona be wiped
[12:11] <jsgotangco> mmm?
[12:12] <jsgotangco> svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-docs
[12:13] <Njal> oh i'll just save the page on to one of my CD's that i'm backing up on to
[01:02] <froud> Thoughts and ideas on the cover for the the printed version of the Kubuntu User Guide welcome http://lnix.net/~froud/artwork/kubuntu-cover.png
[01:02] <froud> inkscape src available at https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/artwork/kubuntu-cover.svg
[04:35] <mgalvin> hi all
[05:39] <FLeiXiuS> Hey
[07:11] <froud> Anyone installed Kubuntu Breezy?
[07:12] <froud> I'm having problems with the dist-upgrade
[07:12] <froud> when it finished xserver, kdm and kde are all removed
[07:13] <froud> only a console remains
[07:13] <froud> anyone else had this problem?
[07:17] <FLeiXiuS> Might want to try #kubuntu :-P
[07:18] <judax> froud: I think there are X issues from what I read on the lists and boards, but there are easy fixes/workarounds
[07:19] <froud> pointers?
[07:19] <froud> URL
[07:19] <judax> froud: I have not done upgrade just what I read
[07:19] <judax> froud: bah, just whacked all my list mail
[07:20] <froud> OK, need to get a breezy running soon, there are some heavy changes. KControl Center is replaced with KDE-SystemSettings
[07:20] <judax> there is a pretty active current breezy X thread, I will ping you when I find it
[07:20] <froud> judax: Riddle has pointed me here http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap
[07:21] <froud> but knowing what is and is not being worked on is hit-and-run
[07:22] <froud> Strange Ubuntu did work with a few nudges
[07:23] <judax> ok, I'll take a look at that page
[08:22] <mdke> evening all
[08:32] <jjesse> afternoon
[09:07] <froud> hello jjesse take a look at http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap
[09:57] <judax> well, there goes the Kynaptic documentation
[10:23] <jjesse> YaY
[10:25] <froud> yep
[10:25] <froud> Kapture
[10:25] <froud> but the main problem is that it is hard to know what is and is notbeing worked on
[10:25] <froud> hard to plan docs when its like this
[10:26] <froud> and a colony cd for breezy k is way to close to release
[10:29] <jjesse> that colony cd will be both ubuntu and kubuntu right?
[10:29] <froud> well either way