=== mgalvin [~mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~user@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:15] morning [01:16] hi jsgotangco [01:18] mgalvin: hey === judax [~judax@ppp-69-148-18-161.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:31] Hello [01:31] Hey guys, it the transcript of last night's meeting up? I've been snowed under with work this last week like never before :-) [01:32] I have not seen it yet, jsgotangco said he was going to do it when he woke up, I went to the mtg however [01:33] the chat transcript are always available in fabbione's shell [01:33] jsgotangco: you didn't sleep long [01:33] i haven't done the minutes...i just woke up 2 hours ago :) [01:33] yeah i can survive a 4 hour sleep [01:33] that would kill me [01:33] jsgotangco: Got a URL for fabbione's webspace? Much appreciated :-) [01:34] hold on [01:34] http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ [01:36] hmmm brb im going to move to gnome [01:36] need to do some gui stuff now [01:36] :) [01:36] bah === jsgotangco [~user@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:41] hmm the live hula account doesnt seem to accept email [01:41] Thanks for the URL, jsgotangco. [01:41] jsgotangco: aren't we basing our docspecs on the one for the StyleGuide? [01:41] JonA: its in the topic btw :) [01:42] judax: its favored for consistency, but the premise is that all docs should have an overview [01:43] agreed, I see that froud put some docspec outlines in svn for Kubuntu that are a bit different than the format that the [01:43] Styleguide uses [01:44] I was going to begin writing one and wanted to be consistent [01:45] jsgotangco: Hey, people read those things?! :-) [01:45] heh [01:45] nobody ever said that :) [01:46] hmmm strange the hula calendar app assumes every sched needs an invitation [01:47] even events [01:50] anyway, I don't think it would look good if all docspecs were done differently [01:55] i agree [01:57] jsgotangco: I am going to do it on the wiki in the style the jeffsch used and worry about the stuff in svn later [01:59] yeah i agree we make it simpler first === waterseven [~waterseve@69.182.176.198.adsl.snet.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:30] Hi there... Is anyone here that does translations? I am not sure if this is the right channel to get some help with rosetta.... [04:34] sure but translations are now done in launchpad... [04:41] launchpad.... I can't find the template that has the 'Add/remove programs' application such that I can translate it. === Liz [~Liz@static-203-87-81-158.nsw.chariot.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:31] jeezz this meeting minutes is long [06:31] we covered so much === Liz is bad for not reading it [06:35] hello liz.au [06:35] whereabouts are you? [06:39] nsw [06:39] about an hour south of sydney [06:40] in wollongong [06:40] i believe your wifes giving a talk next week at sclug :) [06:41] and im quite looking forwred to it [06:41] cool [06:53] apparently Ubuntu has "something with python" [06:53] http://www.grep.be/blog/2005/06/30/#ubuntu_debian_sidegrade [06:54] btw jdub ..is there a way to produce a filter that will just delete an email on the list instead of defering it? [06:54] im thinking more of the email lotto emails that have been coming through === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:06] Burgundavia: we do :) [07:06] Liz: there's a "discard all marked deferred" at the bottom and top [07:06] jdub, I thought the comment was funny [07:09] jdub, is there a way to just filter all the lotto emails out without having to "discard all marked deferred"..or does that do an automatic filter? [07:09] i kinda thought that would do it on the whole email address [07:10] Liz: oh, not quite like that, no [07:10] Liz: when we shift the lists to the datacentre, we'll have reasonable spam filtering and so on === Burgundavia observes that debian has terrible spam filtering, on less used lists [07:14] ahh..ok..thought id ask anyway :) [08:12] hey Liz nice seeing you again [08:13] the stuff that google is funding for ubuntu has now been posted [08:13] cool stuff [08:14] Small business server, firewalls, python modules, simple backup [08:18] oh so small business server has become a bounty [08:19] indeed [08:19] how about xen? [08:20] no idea [08:20] if even half this stuff gets finished, it will be great [08:20] no, it is also bountied [08:20] http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBounties [08:21] hi jsgotangco ..everyone.. [08:21] excuse my rudeness for not saying hi earlier === ealden [~ealden@219.90.91.208] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:22] no problem i just arrived from lunch === froud [~sean@ndn-165-143-84.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:25] African Greetings [08:25] salut froud [08:27] how r u Burgundavia ? [08:27] hiya froud [08:27] not bad [08:27] my relationship with my ex is getting better [08:27] Liz my darling Linux Chick, where have you been [08:27] Burgundavia: thats good [08:28] here there and nowhere cause ive been lazy..heh [08:28] and I learned that one of the people i did Katimavik with has a kid, with another one of the people I did katimvik with [08:28] Katimavik? [08:28] how are you and family froud ? [08:28] We're good [08:28] cold caus eits winter, but good [08:28] :) [08:29] yeah, we have hte same complaint here [08:29] that and too much rain [08:29] you in middle earth right? [08:29] well..southern earth more like === froud has a memory like a siv [08:29] heh [08:30] new south wales australia froud [08:30] we dont get rain in the winter, just chills [08:30] i think i prefer the rain to none [08:30] Oh yeah, no worries [08:30] i'd pay for winter in my place [08:30] cost of airconditioning is killing me [08:30] well when I live din Melbourne it seemed to rain all the time [08:31] jsgotangco: noooo heat, gimme heat [08:31] jsgotangco: hot, slippery and swetty nights [08:31] wow [08:31] i didnt know you lived in Melbourne [08:31] yes, was on contract for a year with Medibank Private === Burgundavia has wrong images of froud in his head now [08:31] lol [08:31] morning all [08:31] no way i'm so tired of hot, humid environments [08:31] hiya mdke [08:31] i dont mind some heat [08:32] jsgotangco: I grew up in Durban, hot and humid [08:32] and no images Burgundavia [08:32] btw, meeting minutes almost done, sheeshh..we've covered so much last night the minutes are so long [08:32] :) [08:32] Burgundavia: wrong images are good [08:32] but we made lots of decisions [08:32] hello mdke === Liz is guilty for not reading any of the previous minutes [08:32] yo froud [08:32] froud, sorry man, but not of you === mdke is off to edubuntu [08:32] He he I hope not [08:33] ok let me finish this first [08:33] argghh [08:33] mdke: and i was about to ask you to review it first [08:33] grr [08:33] Liz: you gonna work on some docs [08:33] jsgotangco, did you write that? [08:33] shortly froud i will be [08:33] just about caught up on all things ive put off with uni word [08:33] Cool, are you doing gnome or kde? [08:33] mdke: write what [08:33] gnome [08:33] these days [08:33] Ok cool [08:34] jsgotangco, the doc you committed just now [08:34] mdke: its in the wiki, its almost done [08:34] mdke: yeah, it sucks [08:34] oh [08:34] question to all. Can I move trunk/debain to gnome/debian [08:34] what page is it in the wiki [08:34] mdke: not in our wiki [08:35] mdke: colin applegate wrote that, you should see him in the summit [08:35] well not should [08:35] i meant [08:35] you might see him [08:35] jsgotangco, in the edubuntu wiki, what url is it [08:35] i can't find it [08:35] mdke: its not there, i just grabbed it from the list [08:35] oh [08:35] 07:34 < jsgotangco> mdke: its in the wiki [08:36] ppl. Can I move trunk/debain to gnome/debian [08:36] mdke: i meant the minutes [08:36] froud: why gnome? [08:36] cause it is only gnome [08:36] and we now have kde/debian [08:36] hrrmm [08:36] for consistency? [08:36] jsgotangco, ah i c [08:36] yes and practical reasons [08:37] during build [08:37] jsgotangco, is there still a question mark over where the edubuntu docs are going to be worked on? [08:37] mdke: if you catch up ogra, can you say hi for me [08:37] alright [08:37] mdke: yup, its still in flux....still have to wait for the live cd [08:37] i saw the list thread [08:37] mdke: and tell ogra not to ignore the fish if its given to him heh [08:38] mdke: maintaining documentation in moin is not a good idea IMO [08:38] although its possible [08:38] yeah i'll let them know the limitations [08:38] henrik knows em too [08:38] henrik is coming? [08:38] yes [08:39] oh cool [08:39] thank god [08:39] otherwise there'd be not a single person i know [08:39] ;) [08:39] oh they're incredibly easy to spot [08:39] ogra looks like a rock guitar player [08:40] haha [08:40] i'm not so good at the whole schmoozing thing so fingers crosse [08:40] d [08:40] schmoozing? [08:40] kiss? [08:40] socialising [08:40] heh no [08:41] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeamMeetingSummary6 [08:42] can you review that while you're here === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:42] its almost done, just the wiki part and the jdub part [08:42] not properly [08:42] i should leave soon [08:42] ok [08:42] looks comprehensive though! [08:43] jeezz we had 2 solid hours [08:43] i barely slept.. [08:43] ouch [08:43] woke up around 5:30AM [08:43] bloody hell [08:44] i had to leave by 6am [08:44] and I thought I hadn't had much sleep [08:44] ok i'm off [08:44] see ya later [08:44] later [08:46] jsgotangco: nice work dude [08:46] almost done.. [08:46] jsgotangco: your wife just came back from KL and you wake up at 5:30AM. No dude [08:47] :P [08:48] Liz: we need more linux chicks to help out on docs [08:48] Liz: to bring some sanity to us and normalize the testosterone levels [08:49] heh...yeah right === Burgundavia refrains from making any sort of comment [08:58] chicken ..heh === FLeiXiuS [~fleixius@pcp0010497935pcs.essex01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud hugs Liz === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-doc === FLeiXiuS [~fleixius@pcp0010497935pcs.essex01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:09] :o === Burgundavia gives froud the award for longest subject line in history [09:37] huh? [09:38] your kde vendor drop [09:39] Ah ha, could not be helped, svn does that by itself [09:39] Ok changing computers. C you alllater === froud [~sean@ndn-165-143-84.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:06] alright the minutes are done [10:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeamMeetingSummary6 [10:06] (long read btw) [10:11] thanks for the minute. And totally agree with the very last quote from jdub (which explain why I didn't make it :) ) [10:15] haha [10:15] whoa [10:15] it was 2am on his side when it ended [10:15] that commit email is dang near choking Kmail [10:15] mine was 12am [10:17] so I guess I made it to the wiki team without attending? :) [10:17] Which is fine, I was going to send an e-mail about the fact that I'm all for that [10:18] beginnings of a docspec for kquickguide are at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KQuickGuide === froud [~froud@ndn-165-143-84.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === FLeiXiuS [~fleixius@pcp0010497935pcs.essex01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:21] when changing /etc/apt/sources.list for the first time, is it worth removing the deb cdrom ? [10:22] i wouldn't really do that [10:22] personally I never use the cdrom in my sources.list [10:23] i just find it handy though to have it because i wouldn't have to download everything just in case [10:23] probably because I can never find my Ubuntu CD... and I know all the updated stuff is online [10:24] its not an issue really if you have a nice online connection [10:24] I removed it, but I have fat pipe === FLeiXiuS [~fleixius@pcp0010497935pcs.essex01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:24] yes, just thinking what is best to tell a user [10:24] IMHO once you have the online repos you wont use the CD [10:25] yes [10:25] but then, some people like to install from CD and patch later [10:25] yeah by default if there is no updated patch, it gets from the cd [10:26] froud: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KQuickGuide as a start [10:26] very young [10:27] owww you beat me to it [10:28] done quickly, so not proofed or done yet [10:29] judax: cool dude [10:29] I have to port it to svn [10:30] question? [10:30] when doing a dist-upgrade [10:30] is it not better to do it just from a console login [10:30] just incase there are mater to do with the display manager and x [10:31] I don't think it matters (but could be wrong). I have done dist-upgrade from both console and X session, and can [10:32] no, no reason to [10:32] I have only ever done dist-upgrades from CLI, but I have done them from within the DE, maybe pressing my luck [10:32] t remember having a problem in one case not present in the other [10:32] bbl..the boy wants to use my machine [10:33] need to sleep, short side of 4am here and the long side of a few Johnnie Walker's, take care [10:33] Hmm, OK thanks [10:33] judax: cheer [10:34] nice [10:36] dudes you may have seen an upstream kde vendor drop in vendor/kde/doc [10:37] I will send mail to explain its use later [10:37] now question? [10:37] would ppl rather make a copy to trunk/kde/ [10:38] or work with it in vendor/kde/doc [10:38] i have no idea [10:38] anyone else [10:39] darn svn is at 1.0 [10:39] can t use links [10:40] need svn 1.1 === froud goes to find elmo [10:42] OK cant find him === froud goes of fto talk to upstream [11:22] really like the format Jeffsch has started for the doc specs [11:22] simple easy quick [11:25] oh yeah [11:26] anyone know where I can find information about the graphical installer [11:31] have you tried the udu wiki? [11:36] yes, I found this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalInstaller?highlight=%28Installer%29%7C%28Graphical%29 [11:43] anyone know how far along this is. Will it be included in a Colony (which one) so we can update the installation guide ? [11:47] you can try asking Kamion if he's online [11:47] thanks === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:56] kamion is meeting with mdz next week to discuss the graphical installer. When it will be available for documentation is still not known === Njal [~chatzilla@212.139.13.70] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:04] ahh [12:07] Unfortunatly i have to reinstall my system, due to a failing hard drive amung other things, so i will not be writing patches for the next few days [12:08] Njal: no worries, patches are always welcome anytime [12:09] I know, i'd rather not have to reinstall, but i have to, can someone email me the instruction's to set up the CVS again, since everything's gona be wiped [12:11] mmm? [12:12] svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-docs [12:13] oh i'll just save the page on to one of my CD's that i'm backing up on to === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === FLeiXiuS [~fleixius@pcp0010487351pcs.essex01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:02] Thoughts and ideas on the cover for the the printed version of the Kubuntu User Guide welcome http://lnix.net/~froud/artwork/kubuntu-cover.png [01:02] inkscape src available at https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/artwork/kubuntu-cover.svg === FLeiXiuS [~fleixius@pcp0010487351pcs.essex01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Liz [~Liz@static-203-87-81-158.nsw.chariot.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === JonA [~jonathan@alxpc1jaa2.alx.aber.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [~mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === FLeiXiuS [~fleixius@pcp0010487351pcs.essex01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:35] hi all === ealden [~ealden@219.90.91.208] has joined #ubuntu-doc === JonA [~jonathan@alxpc1jaa2.alx.aber.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:39] Hey === froud [~sean@ndn-165-143-84.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:11] Anyone installed Kubuntu Breezy? [07:12] I'm having problems with the dist-upgrade [07:12] when it finished xserver, kdm and kde are all removed [07:13] only a console remains [07:13] anyone else had this problem? [07:17] Might want to try #kubuntu :-P [07:18] froud: I think there are X issues from what I read on the lists and boards, but there are easy fixes/workarounds [07:19] pointers? [07:19] URL [07:19] froud: I have not done upgrade just what I read [07:19] froud: bah, just whacked all my list mail [07:20] OK, need to get a breezy running soon, there are some heavy changes. KControl Center is replaced with KDE-SystemSettings [07:20] there is a pretty active current breezy X thread, I will ping you when I find it [07:20] judax: Riddle has pointed me here http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap [07:21] but knowing what is and is not being worked on is hit-and-run [07:22] Strange Ubuntu did work with a few nudges [07:23] ok, I'll take a look at that page === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:22] evening all [08:32] afternoon [09:07] hello jjesse take a look at http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap === FLeiXiuS [~fleixius@pcp0010487351pcs.essex01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:57] well, there goes the Kynaptic documentation [10:23] YaY [10:25] yep [10:25] Kapture [10:25] but the main problem is that it is hard to know what is and is notbeing worked on [10:25] hard to plan docs when its like this [10:26] and a colony cd for breezy k is way to close to release [10:29] that colony cd will be both ubuntu and kubuntu right? [10:29] well either way === _froud [~sean@ndn-165-143-84.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc