| highvoltage | first post | 12:13 |
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| highvoltage | ^^^ sorry, wrong channel | 12:13 |
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| ajmitch | morning all | 12:19 |
| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 12:20 |
| bddebian | Stick your tongue on those wires yet? ;-P | 12:20 |
| ajmitch | of course not | 12:37 |
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| ajmitch | would I still be talking here if I'd done so? :) | 12:37 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Bah, it'll just sting a little :-) | 12:38 |
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| whiprush | tseng: ping | 04:14 |
| ajmitch | hey whiprush | 04:17 |
| whiprush | hey | 04:17 |
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| jwilliams | ajmitch: ping? | 08:17 |
| Burgundavia | welcome to the dark side | 08:17 |
| jwilliams | Burgundavia: :-) | 08:17 |
| Burgundavia | what distro do you run at home? | 08:18 |
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| jwilliam1 | ajmitch: Sorry, my connection dropped. Are you around? | 08:35 |
| ivoks | 'morning | 08:35 |
| Burgundavia | jwilliam1, not since you dropped | 08:35 |
| jwilliam1 | Burgundavia: thanks | 08:36 |
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| ajmitch | hmm, I wonder what jwillians wanted.. | 08:54 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch, he also lives in NZ, but is having connection issues | 08:54 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch, jdub gave him your name | 08:55 |
| ajmitch | ah, I see | 08:55 |
| Burgundavia | actually, I think whiprush did | 08:55 |
| ajmitch | dsl or dialup? | 08:56 |
| Burgundavia | dialup, poor soul | 08:56 |
| ajmitch | oh my | 08:57 |
| ajmitch | not sure how I could have helped :) | 08:57 |
| sladen | whiprush: the important thing is to file the bug; itf it's on the wrong one of NM/madwifi I'm sure somebody will bump it to the correct one | 08:59 |
| whiprush | well, my concern is this: | 09:00 |
| whiprush | I'm 90% sure the problem is with madwifi. because fedora ships a newer version of the driver and it works better. | 09:00 |
| whiprush | what I don't want to do is spam thom with 10 bug reports on something that's a madwifi issue and not NM-related. | 09:01 |
| whiprush | and given that madwifi is restricted, I don't know how useful "it sucks at scanning" will be. | 09:01 |
| ajmitch | restricted just because of the firmware, isn't it? | 09:03 |
| whiprush | yep. | 09:03 |
| ajmitch | I've also got a madwifi card in my laptop | 09:03 |
| whiprush | what I really want to do is replace the card, but, as mjg59's page points out, thinkpads have a whitelist of allowed mini-pci cards. | 09:04 |
| whiprush | which is just ... GRRRRR. | 09:04 |
| whiprush | sladen: as an OT note, did you make it to Lugradio live? | 09:05 |
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| ivoks | is anyone able to run eclipse on breezy? | 09:07 |
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| sladen | whiprush: yup, we flogged t-shirts---there's a quick qriteup on -sounder | 09:26 |
| sladen | writeup | 09:27 |
| whiprush | yeah I read it. | 09:27 |
| whiprush | are there pics somewhere? | 09:27 |
| sladen | whiprush: re: the thinkpad wifi IDs. As you may have noticed mjg59 and I spent quite a bit of time coming up with solutiosn to get around the problem :) | 09:28 |
| whiprush | yeah, I spent like, an hour reading your pages. | 09:28 |
| whiprush | all I have to say is: you guys are nuts. | 09:28 |
| whiprush | :) | 09:28 |
| sladen | whiprush: the seems to be a lack of piccys; there's a few crap ones in various places; shoving lugradio live into goodle brings up BillT's photos (BBC guy) and there are two other batches of camera-phone jobbies | 09:29 |
| whiprush | luckily the ubuntu-fu seems strong in them, so there musn't have been too much advocacy that had to be done. | 09:30 |
| highvoltage | ubuntu-fu? is that like force? | 09:30 |
| whiprush | well, it would have been nice for you to inflict them with ubunflu. | 09:30 |
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| sladen | urm. '#Ubunflu' is just something that happened and probably a side-effect of us all craving international travel. Half-dozen people went down with a horrible illness and had an unproductive week of their lives wasted; yourself, I, and others included. At some point being forced to recall it is going to stop being amusing and start being irriating. That point may already have passed; it might even have passed after the first day trapped up in bed. | 09:51 |
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| \sh | ok...my office work is done :) now for the real excitement :) | 11:52 |
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| tseng | whiprush: pong | 12:14 |
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| Tm_T | :o | 12:17 |
| Tm_T | ok, I'll be gone for a week or 4 -> | 12:49 |
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| \sh | fixing ace | 01:36 |
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| \sh | grmpf...libace5.4c2 is building now, now i have other problems... | 02:41 |
| \sh | patching time | 02:41 |
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| thesaltydog | Sorry, mates, I have made a new program for Gnome. Should someone have a minute to look at it? | 03:21 |
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| DanielN_atw | \sh, ping | 03:35 |
| \sh | DanielN_atw: pong | 03:41 |
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| DanielN_atw | \sh, ups.. sorry, was away! | 04:28 |
| DanielN_atw | i'll ping you another time | 04:28 |
| \sh | DanielN_atw: ok..tomorrow morning :) | 04:31 |
| DanielN_atw | \sh, uhhhh.. we'll see.. but i'm sure you know how "abschlussfeiern" are :)) | 04:33 |
| \sh | DanielN_atw: ah :) yeah from tomorrow afternoon i'll also on my way to party ;) first of all, buying a washing machine, and secondly CSD time :) | 04:34 |
| DanielN_atw | hihi | 04:36 |
| DanielN_atw | but well.. topic will be yehia ;> | 04:36 |
| \sh | right now, I'm fighting with ace | 04:37 |
| DanielN_atw | hehe | 04:37 |
| DanielN_atw | have fun... :/ | 04:37 |
| \sh | i need to have a new upstream version (5.4.6 or something), cause all the others are not compiling with 3.4 or 4.0 | 04:37 |
| \sh | but now, it tries to search 'moc' in /bin/ | 04:38 |
| DanielN_atw | ouch | 04:38 |
| \sh | so i have to patch this arrogant piece of software | 04:38 |
| DanielN_atw | :) | 04:38 |
| DanielN_atw | hehe.. arrogant piece | 04:38 |
| DanielN_atw | we're providing binary software packages here at work too | 04:38 |
| DanielN_atw | but well.. not debian packages | 04:39 |
| \sh | rpm? | 04:39 |
| DanielN_atw | we're windows only here (client side) | 04:39 |
| DanielN_atw | we use columbus (try google) | 04:39 |
| \sh | Christopher Columbus, Captain who found America | 04:42 |
| \sh | no this is not columbus | 04:42 |
| \sh | TeleColumbus, digital tv cable company | 04:42 |
| DanielN_atw | :) | 04:43 |
| DanielN_atw | try brainware then | 04:43 |
| DanielN_atw | or directly brainware.ch | 04:44 |
| DanielN_atw | should work | 04:44 |
| DanielN_atw | soo.... fireevening now :P | 04:46 |
| DanielN_atw | see ya later | 04:46 |
| \sh | fireevening? | 04:46 |
| \sh | u mean party night ,-) | 04:46 |
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| DanielN_atw | that too | 04:46 |
| DanielN_atw | but i wanted to say feierabend | 04:46 |
| DanielN_atw | finnishing work, you know ;) | 04:46 |
| \sh | yeah..i ave only ten mins left | 04:47 |
| DanielN_atw | me too.. regularly | 04:47 |
| DanielN_atw | but it's friday ^^ | 04:47 |
| DanielN_atw | i'm alone here atm.. | 04:47 |
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| DanielN_atw | cu all guys | 04:47 |
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| SEBest | hello, i have a question about /etc/dbus-1/event.d directory | 05:54 |
| SEBest | as i understand it's a bit like /etc/init.d but for services depending upon dbus | 05:54 |
| Lathiat | SEBest: sortof | 05:54 |
| Lathiat | SEBest: basically, it you can make dbus activate a program when someone tries to activate something on the bus | 05:54 |
| Lathiat | and nothing is there to accep tit | 05:54 |
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| ivoks | what a day... | 05:55 |
| SEBest | Lathiat, but is it better to put the script in event.d or to make a link from init.d/script -> event.d/45script ? | 05:55 |
| Lathiat | erm, afaik, event.d is not the same format as an init script | 05:56 |
| Lathiat | i could be wrong | 05:56 |
| Lathiat | hrm, i am | 05:56 |
| Lathiat | i got confused | 05:56 |
| SEBest | i think scripts in event.d are lsb compliant sysv scripts | 05:56 |
| Lathiat | i think event.d then perhaps are services that are started when dbus is started | 05:56 |
| SEBest | yes | 05:56 |
| Lathiat | neither hal nor avahi use a symlink at the moment | 05:56 |
| SEBest | it's a debian specific thing because debian doesn't have any dependencies in starting services | 05:57 |
| Lathiat | i wouldnt say its debian specific | 05:57 |
| SEBest | Lathiat: i'm sebastien :) | 05:57 |
| Lathiat | SEBest: i figured :) | 05:58 |
| SEBest | in fact i ask this, especially for avahi | 05:58 |
| SEBest | because you can compile avahi without dbus support | 05:58 |
| SEBest | in this case, there is no reason /etc/dbus-1/event.d exists | 05:58 |
| Lathiat | well, there is | 05:58 |
| SEBest | so the script should be in /etc/init.d in this case no? | 05:59 |
| Lathiat | arguably | 05:59 |
| Lathiat | thats a bit of a touch question | 05:59 |
| Lathiat | perhaps putting it in /etc/init.d and then symlinking it to rc2.d or dbus-1/event.d depending on config | 05:59 |
| SEBest | so i was wondering, if it better to install it in init.d when DBUS is disable and event.d when it's enable or | 05:59 |
| SEBest | symlinking | 06:00 |
| Lathiat | i think symlinking is better | 06:00 |
| Lathiat | cus then i can restart avahi from /etc/init.d | 06:00 |
| Lathiat | if i want | 06:00 |
| SEBest | yes, that was my idea, to always install in init.d and symlinks if DBUS is enable | 06:00 |
| SEBest | i was really surprised that debian initscript doesn't have any information about priority | 06:01 |
| Lathiat | it does | 06:01 |
| Lathiat | the numbers | 06:01 |
| SEBest | oh? | 06:01 |
| Lathiat | in rc?.d | 06:01 |
| SEBest | yes, but i don't mean this | 06:02 |
| Lathiat | its just order based | 06:02 |
| Lathiat | as opposed to priority based | 06:02 |
| Lathiat | the init system used by debian doesnt support init dependencies | 06:02 |
| Lathiat | init-ng for example does | 06:02 |
| SEBest | imagine i do this: | 06:02 |
| SEBest | update-rc.d -f ssh remove | 06:02 |
| SEBest | now i can't put ssh back at the same order it was before, the information is lost | 06:03 |
| Lathiat | so you edit /etc/default and tell it not to boot like most debian packages do :) | 06:03 |
| Lathiat | or tho in ssh's case | 06:03 |
| Lathiat | its /etc/ssh/no_ssh_on_boot or somerthing like that | 06:03 |
| SEBest | sshd_not_to_be_run | 06:04 |
| Lathiat | yeh | 06:04 |
| Lathiat | sigh ubuntu s2.6.12 kernel does not play nice with vmware | 06:04 |
| SEBest | a bit hackish isn't it :) | 06:04 |
| Lathiat | SEBest: the /etc/default stuff isnt so hackish | 06:04 |
| Lathiat | most packages use that | 06:05 |
| SEBest | yes most | 06:05 |
| SEBest | i'm using vmware with 2.6.12, what problem do you have? | 06:05 |
| Lathiat | random kernel backtraces in vmware stuff | 06:05 |
| Lathiat | that cause the machien to be responsive but useless | 06:05 |
| Lathiat | processes wont start | 06:05 |
| SEBest | in the host? | 06:05 |
| Lathiat | just sit and hang | 06:05 |
| Lathiat | yes | 06:05 |
| SEBest | i'm using breezy 2.6.12, you too? | 06:06 |
| Lathiat | yes | 06:06 |
| Lathiat | i get scheduling while atomic etc | 06:06 |
| Lathiat | and other cruft | 06:06 |
| Lathiat | seems to be a result of the vmware bridging code | 06:07 |
| Lathiat | doing a null dereference | 06:07 |
| SEBest | vmware 5 ? | 06:07 |
| Lathiat | yep | 06:07 |
| Lathiat | http://www.vmware.com/products/img/n/vc_ss1_lg.gif <-- thats pretty coool | 06:08 |
| SEBest | really cool! | 06:08 |
| Lathiat | too bad it doesnt have a linux version | 06:11 |
| SEBest | the web version is more limited? | 06:11 |
| SEBest | lathiat: did you know about this : http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/vmware-any-any-update92.tar.gz ? | 06:23 |
| Lathiat | ats that? | 06:23 |
| Lathiat | ^wh | 06:23 |
| SEBest | the link | 06:24 |
| SEBest | i did check but it seems to be a fix for kernel 2.6.12 and vmware | 06:24 |
| Lathiat | ah | 06:25 |
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| siretart | hi ogra. hi * | 06:41 |
| siretart | ogra: how's london? | 06:41 |
| ogra | fine | 06:45 |
| ogra | but i ffel quite exhausted... we had a long day | 06:45 |
| ogra | feel even | 06:45 |
| \sh | hey ogra | 06:48 |
| \sh | guys, I'm full of happyness today :) | 06:50 |
| === \sh will have a shower now and gets ready to meet amu the first time, after 8.5 years of knowing him from IRC :) | ||
| ogra | \sh, send greetings :) | 06:55 |
| \sh | ogra: will do...he has a visitor from sidney :) so much more fun :) | 06:55 |
| ogra | :) | 06:55 |
| \sh | http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/52-Weekend.html | 06:55 |
| \sh | my jabber server is not crashing anymore :) i will go and buy a washing machine tomorrow, today some fun with amu, hey, great time for real life :) | 06:56 |
| \sh | and i don't know if the picture is office compatible :) | 06:56 |
| \sh | ogra: and do me a favour please, if you have time, please check if you can get some english winegums, at the airport they're selling 1kg packets, try to catch one for me, pleaeaease :) I'll die for those winegums :) | 06:59 |
| ogra | heh, lets see | 06:59 |
| ogra | looks like i have a bit of time on sunday afternoon | 06:59 |
| \sh | as i said, if you have time or a bit of delay at the airport ;) | 07:00 |
| \sh | ok...7 o'clock time for the shower | 07:00 |
| \sh | hmmm... | 07:14 |
| \sh | my article about the ubuntu community model is spread everywhere even on e-linux.it | 07:15 |
| \sh | really surprising | 07:15 |
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| ivoks | hi hi hrvoje | 07:51 |
| hrvoje | hi ante :) | 07:51 |
| ogra | hey ivoks | 07:56 |
| ivoks | ogra: hi! how are you? | 07:56 |
| ogra | fine... london is a bit rainy | 07:56 |
| ivoks | ah, right! edubuntu conference | 07:56 |
| ivoks | totally forgot about it | 07:56 |
| ogra | i have to mentor a guy from bosnia for a google bounty :) | 07:57 |
| ivoks | i wish i could've join you | 07:57 |
| ivoks | :)) | 07:57 |
| ogra | next time :) | 07:57 |
| ivoks | yeah | 07:57 |
| ivoks | so.. what's objective of his work? | 07:57 |
| siretart | ogra: never mind, here in nrnberg its raining, too :( | 08:00 |
| ogra | http://ede.sf.net and http://xclass.sf.net for lightweight desktop | 08:00 |
| ivoks | siretart: hi! | 08:00 |
| siretart | huhu ivoks | 08:00 |
| ivoks | in zagreb it was raining too :( | 08:00 |
| siretart | btw, does anyone know a python module which does shell expansion? | 08:00 |
| ogra | siretart, at least they speak german there *g* | 08:00 |
| siretart | I want a expand('/path/to/*.changes/') to be evaluated to [ '/path/to/1.changes', '/path/to/2.changes' ] | 08:01 |
| ivoks | so, xorg is going to release new X in septmeber | 08:01 |
| siretart | ogra: ;) | 08:01 |
| ivoks | too bad breezy will be frozen by then | 08:02 |
| === siretart is currently implementing the debdiff feature for revu ;) | ||
| ivoks | uh!!! movie! | 08:02 |
| ivoks | siretart: you rock! | 08:02 |
| ivoks | ok, see you guys | 08:03 |
| ivoks | please welcome hrvoje | 08:04 |
| ivoks | he is interested in ubuntu, and he isn't just simple user, he knows lots of stuff | 08:05 |
| === hrvoje blush | ||
| ivoks | :) | 08:05 |
| ivoks | ok, time to leave... | 08:05 |
| hrvoje | just don't overdo it :) | 08:05 |
| ivoks | bye all | 08:05 |
| siretart | welcome hrvoje :) | 08:06 |
| hrvoje | siretart: thanks! I also use ubuntu occasionally, it's a good distro. | 08:07 |
| siretart | hrvoje: :) | 08:09 |
| siretart | hrvoje: so you want to hang around with us here and have some fun? | 08:10 |
| hrvoje | siretart: kind of :) if it's allowed to hang out in here :) | 08:11 |
| siretart | hrvoje: of course you perfectly are! :) | 08:13 |
| hrvoje | are people here mostly developers or plain lurkers like me ? :) | 08:16 |
| tseng | there are 65 nicks | 08:16 |
| tseng | and ~20 motus | 08:16 |
| tseng | and not all of us are logged in at all times | 08:16 |
| hrvoje | great, then I won't stick out like a black sheep :) | 08:17 |
| JanC | siretart : glob ? | 08:17 |
| JanC | http://docs.python.org/lib/module-glob.html | 08:18 |
| siretart | glob! | 08:18 |
| siretart | JanC: Thanks! | 08:18 |
| JanC | python comes with "batteries included" ;) | 08:18 |
| siretart | now I only need to figure out how this popen2 stuff works ;) | 08:18 |
| siretart | JanC: absolutly! :) | 08:18 |
| JanC | starting with python 2.4 there is also subproces ( http://docs.python.org/lib/module-subprocess.html ) | 08:21 |
| siretart | hm. I'm currently on sarge, so compatibility with 2.3 would be fine | 08:22 |
| JanC | ah, also have a look here then: http://docs.python.org/lib/os-process.html :) | 08:24 |
| siretart | my problem is now rather that is seems to work rather on small outputs.. | 08:33 |
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| siretart | debdiff feature implemented | 09:58 |
| siretart | hm | 09:58 |
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| weasel | so, what needs to be done to get a package in hoary/universe updated? | 10:41 |
| siretart | hi weasel ;) | 10:41 |
| siretart | hoary/universe is released. no updates to hoary, sorry | 10:41 |
| weasel | security. | 10:41 |
| tseng | weasel: ping Nafallo | 10:42 |
| siretart | aah, then it goes to the MOTUSecurity Team | 10:42 |
| weasel | tseng: will do | 10:42 |
| weasel | thanks | 10:42 |
| weasel | siretart: do they have a role account email address? | 10:42 |
| siretart | tseng: do you know any? | 10:42 |
| === siretart not :( | ||
| tseng | role? | 10:43 |
| tseng | no there is none | 10:43 |
| tseng | we just CC stuff in a big circle | 10:43 |
| tseng | torkel: Christian Bjlevik <nafallo@magicalforest.se>, Gerardo Di Giacomo <gerardo@linux.it>, Brandon Hale <brandon@smarterits.com> | 10:43 |
| tseng | torkel: disregard pasting tabs sucks | 10:44 |
| weasel | should I just send mail to those 3 addresses? | 10:44 |
| tseng | you can subtract the last one | 10:44 |
| tseng | because its me and i dont have time | 10:44 |
| weasel | :) | 10:44 |
| tseng | i think they kindly removed me from circulation already | 10:45 |
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| siretart | JanC: I did it! (debdiff) :) | 10:48 |
| JanC | nice :) | 10:49 |
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| tseng | siretart: i think | 10:59 |
| tseng | that it should not say libcwd_0.99.40-2ubuntu1_source.changes1k | 10:59 |
| tseng | i know what the package is | 10:59 |
| tseng | i think it should have a nice, css "table" | 10:59 |
| tseng | changes lintian linda diff dsc orig | 11:00 |
| tseng | in no particular order | 11:00 |
| tseng | or, not nessecarily in that order | 11:00 |
| tseng | horizontally though | 11:00 |
| siretart | tseng: well, the current implementation is rather an directory index. it displays all files included in that directory | 11:00 |
| tseng | i see | 11:00 |
| siretart | this makes extending with extra analysis extremly easy | 11:00 |
| siretart | which was a big point in revu design decisions.. | 11:01 |
| siretart | but you are right, the details page could be made a lot nicer | 11:01 |
| tseng | if this was in PHP/MySQL i would have done it all myself | 11:01 |
| tseng | :P | 11:01 |
| tseng | instead of talking | 11:02 |
| tseng | sorry | 11:02 |
| siretart | :) | 11:03 |
| siretart | Well, this is my first real python project. | 11:03 |
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| siretart | and postgresql should hardly be a barrier | 11:04 |
| tseng | well, i dont have it | 11:04 |
| siretart | ic | 11:05 |
| tseng | and ive never so much as looked at it | 11:05 |
| tseng | im lazy | 11:05 |
| siretart | ;) | 11:05 |
| === siretart too | ||
| === siretart is too lazy for reviewing entries in the wiki.. | ||
| tseng | yep | 11:05 |
| tseng | Burgundavia++ " | 11:07 |
| tseng | Just because you known your way around a desktop doesn't mean that you don't want a usable one" | 11:07 |
| siretart | ? | 11:09 |
| tseng | siretart: uh | 11:09 |
| Burgundavia | indeed | 11:15 |
| Burgundavia | seems to be a common flawed thought process | 11:15 |
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