[12:13] <highvoltage> first post
[12:13] <highvoltage> ^^^ sorry, wrong channel
[12:19] <ajmitch> morning all
[12:20] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[12:20] <bddebian> Stick your tongue on those wires yet? ;-P
[12:37] <ajmitch> of course not
[12:37] <ajmitch> would I still be talking here if I'd done so? :)
[12:38] <bddebian> ajmitch: Bah, it'll just sting a little :-)
[04:14] <whiprush> tseng: ping
[04:17] <ajmitch> hey whiprush
[04:17] <whiprush> hey
[08:17] <jwilliams> ajmitch: ping?
[08:17] <Burgundavia> welcome to the dark side
[08:17] <jwilliams> Burgundavia: :-)
[08:18] <Burgundavia> what distro do you run at home?
[08:35] <jwilliam1> ajmitch: Sorry, my connection dropped.  Are you around?
[08:35] <ivoks> 'morning
[08:35] <Burgundavia> jwilliam1, not since you dropped
[08:36] <jwilliam1> Burgundavia: thanks
[08:54] <ajmitch> hmm, I wonder what jwillians wanted..
[08:54] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, he also lives in NZ, but is having connection issues
[08:55] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, jdub gave him your name
[08:55] <ajmitch> ah, I see
[08:55] <Burgundavia> actually, I think whiprush did
[08:56] <ajmitch> dsl or dialup?
[08:56] <Burgundavia> dialup, poor soul
[08:57] <ajmitch> oh my
[08:57] <ajmitch> not sure how I could have helped :)
[08:59] <sladen> whiprush: the important thing is to file the bug;  itf it's on the wrong one of NM/madwifi I'm sure somebody will bump it to the correct one
[09:00] <whiprush> well, my concern is this:
[09:00] <whiprush> I'm 90% sure the problem is with madwifi. because fedora ships a newer version of the driver and it works better.
[09:01] <whiprush> what I don't want to do is spam thom with 10 bug reports on something that's a madwifi issue and not NM-related.
[09:01] <whiprush> and given that madwifi is restricted, I don't know how useful "it sucks at scanning" will be.
[09:03] <ajmitch> restricted just because of the firmware, isn't it?
[09:03] <whiprush> yep.
[09:03] <ajmitch> I've also got a madwifi card in my laptop
[09:04] <whiprush> what I really want to do is replace the card, but, as mjg59's page points out, thinkpads have a whitelist of allowed mini-pci cards.
[09:04] <whiprush> which is just ... GRRRRR.
[09:05] <whiprush> sladen: as an OT note, did you make it to Lugradio live?
[09:07] <ivoks> is anyone able to run eclipse on breezy?
[09:26] <sladen> whiprush: yup, we flogged t-shirts---there's a quick qriteup on -sounder
[09:27] <sladen> writeup
[09:27] <whiprush> yeah I read it.
[09:27] <whiprush> are there pics somewhere?
[09:28] <sladen> whiprush: re: the thinkpad wifi IDs.  As you may have noticed mjg59 and I spent quite a bit of time coming up with solutiosn to get around the problem :)
[09:28] <whiprush> yeah, I spent like, an hour reading your pages.
[09:28] <whiprush> all I have to say is: you guys are nuts.
[09:28] <whiprush> :)
[09:29] <sladen> whiprush: the seems to be a lack of piccys;  there's a few crap ones in various places;  shoving lugradio live into goodle brings up BillT's photos (BBC guy) and there are two other batches of camera-phone jobbies
[09:30] <whiprush> luckily the ubuntu-fu seems strong in them, so there musn't have been too much advocacy that had to be done.
[09:30] <highvoltage> ubuntu-fu? is that like force?
[09:30] <whiprush> well, it would have been nice for you to inflict them with ubunflu.
[09:51] <sladen> urm. '#Ubunflu' is just something that happened and probably a side-effect of us all craving international travel.  Half-dozen people went down with a horrible illness and had an unproductive week of their lives wasted;  yourself, I, and others included.  At some point being forced to recall it is going to stop being amusing and start being irriating.  That point may already have passed;  it might even have passed after the first day trapped up in bed.
[11:52] <\sh> ok...my office work is done :) now for the real excitement :)
[12:14] <tseng> whiprush: pong
[12:17] <Tm_T> :o
[12:49] <Tm_T> ok, I'll be gone for a week or 4 ->
[01:36] <\sh> fixing ace
[02:41] <\sh> grmpf...libace5.4c2 is building now, now i have other problems...
[02:41] <\sh> patching time
[03:21] <thesaltydog> Sorry, mates, I have made a new program for Gnome. Should someone have a minute to look at it?
[03:35] <DanielN_atw> \sh, ping
[03:41] <\sh> DanielN_atw: pong
[04:28] <DanielN_atw> \sh, ups.. sorry, was away!
[04:28] <DanielN_atw> i'll ping you another time
[04:31] <\sh> DanielN_atw: ok..tomorrow morning :)
[04:33] <DanielN_atw> \sh, uhhhh.. we'll see.. but i'm sure you know how "abschlussfeiern" are :))
[04:34] <\sh> DanielN_atw: ah :) yeah from tomorrow afternoon i'll also on my way to party ;) first of all, buying a washing machine, and secondly CSD time :)
[04:36] <DanielN_atw> hihi
[04:36] <DanielN_atw> but well.. topic will be yehia ;>
[04:37] <\sh> right now, I'm fighting with ace
[04:37] <DanielN_atw> hehe
[04:37] <DanielN_atw> have fun... :/
[04:37] <\sh> i need to have a new upstream version (5.4.6 or something), cause all the others are not compiling with 3.4 or 4.0
[04:38] <\sh> but now, it tries to search 'moc' in /bin/
[04:38] <DanielN_atw> ouch
[04:38] <\sh> so i have to patch this arrogant piece of software
[04:38] <DanielN_atw> :)
[04:38] <DanielN_atw> hehe.. arrogant piece
[04:38] <DanielN_atw> we're providing binary software packages here at work too
[04:39] <DanielN_atw> but well.. not debian packages
[04:39] <\sh> rpm?
[04:39] <DanielN_atw> we're windows only here (client side)
[04:39] <DanielN_atw> we use columbus (try google)
[04:42] <\sh> Christopher Columbus, Captain who found America
[04:42] <\sh> no this is not columbus
[04:42] <\sh> TeleColumbus, digital tv cable company
[04:43] <DanielN_atw> :)
[04:43] <DanielN_atw> try brainware then
[04:44] <DanielN_atw> or directly brainware.ch
[04:44] <DanielN_atw> should work
[04:46] <DanielN_atw> soo.... fireevening now :P
[04:46] <DanielN_atw> see ya later
[04:46] <\sh> fireevening?
[04:46] <\sh> u mean party night ,-)
[04:46] <DanielN_atw> that too
[04:46] <DanielN_atw> but i wanted to say feierabend
[04:46] <DanielN_atw> finnishing work, you know ;)
[04:47] <\sh> yeah..i ave only ten mins left
[04:47] <DanielN_atw> me too.. regularly
[04:47] <DanielN_atw> but it's friday ^^
[04:47] <DanielN_atw> i'm alone here atm..
[04:47] <DanielN_atw> cu all guys
[05:54] <SEBest> hello, i have a question about /etc/dbus-1/event.d directory
[05:54] <SEBest> as i understand it's a bit like /etc/init.d but for services depending upon dbus
[05:54] <Lathiat> SEBest: sortof
[05:54] <Lathiat> SEBest: basically, it you can make dbus activate a program when someone tries to activate something on the bus
[05:54] <Lathiat> and nothing is there to accep tit
[05:55] <ivoks> what a day...
[05:55] <SEBest> Lathiat, but is it better to put the script in event.d or to make a link from init.d/script -> event.d/45script ?
[05:56] <Lathiat> erm, afaik, event.d is not the same format as an init script
[05:56] <Lathiat> i could be wrong
[05:56] <Lathiat> hrm, i am
[05:56] <Lathiat> i got confused
[05:56] <SEBest> i think scripts in event.d are lsb compliant sysv scripts
[05:56] <Lathiat> i think event.d then perhaps are services that are started when dbus is started
[05:56] <SEBest> yes
[05:56] <Lathiat> neither hal nor avahi use a symlink at the moment
[05:57] <SEBest> it's a debian specific thing because debian doesn't have any dependencies in starting services
[05:57] <Lathiat> i wouldnt say its debian specific
[05:57] <SEBest> Lathiat: i'm sebastien :)
[05:58] <Lathiat> SEBest: i figured :)
[05:58] <SEBest> in fact i ask this, especially for avahi
[05:58] <SEBest> because you can compile avahi without dbus support
[05:58] <SEBest> in this case, there is no reason /etc/dbus-1/event.d exists
[05:58] <Lathiat> well, there is
[05:59] <SEBest> so the script should be in /etc/init.d in this case no?
[05:59] <Lathiat> arguably
[05:59] <Lathiat> thats a bit of a touch question
[05:59] <Lathiat> perhaps putting it in /etc/init.d and then symlinking it to rc2.d or dbus-1/event.d depending on config
[05:59] <SEBest> so i was wondering, if it better to install it in init.d when DBUS is disable and event.d when it's enable or
[06:00] <SEBest> symlinking
[06:00] <Lathiat> i think symlinking is better
[06:00] <Lathiat> cus then i can restart avahi from /etc/init.d
[06:00] <Lathiat> if i want
[06:00] <SEBest> yes, that was my idea, to always install in init.d and symlinks if DBUS is enable
[06:01] <SEBest> i was really surprised that debian initscript doesn't have any information about priority
[06:01] <Lathiat> it does
[06:01] <Lathiat> the numbers
[06:01] <SEBest> oh?
[06:01] <Lathiat> in rc?.d
[06:02] <SEBest> yes, but i don't mean this
[06:02] <Lathiat> its just order based
[06:02] <Lathiat> as opposed to priority based
[06:02] <Lathiat> the init system used by debian doesnt support init dependencies
[06:02] <Lathiat> init-ng for example does
[06:02] <SEBest> imagine i do this:
[06:02] <SEBest> update-rc.d -f ssh remove
[06:03] <SEBest> now i can't put ssh back at the same order it was before, the information is lost
[06:03] <Lathiat> so you edit /etc/default and tell it not to boot like most debian packages do :)
[06:03] <Lathiat> or tho in ssh's case
[06:03] <Lathiat> its /etc/ssh/no_ssh_on_boot or somerthing like that
[06:04] <SEBest> sshd_not_to_be_run
[06:04] <Lathiat> yeh
[06:04] <Lathiat> sigh ubuntu s2.6.12 kernel does not play nice with vmware
[06:04] <SEBest> a bit hackish isn't it :)
[06:04] <Lathiat> SEBest: the /etc/default stuff isnt so hackish
[06:05] <Lathiat> most packages use that
[06:05] <SEBest> yes most
[06:05] <SEBest> i'm using vmware with 2.6.12, what problem do you have?
[06:05] <Lathiat> random kernel backtraces in vmware stuff
[06:05] <Lathiat> that cause the machien to be responsive but useless
[06:05] <Lathiat> processes wont start
[06:05] <SEBest> in the host?
[06:05] <Lathiat> just sit and hang
[06:05] <Lathiat> yes
[06:06] <SEBest> i'm using breezy 2.6.12, you too?
[06:06] <Lathiat> yes
[06:06] <Lathiat> i get scheduling while atomic etc
[06:06] <Lathiat> and other cruft
[06:07] <Lathiat> seems to be a result of the vmware bridging code
[06:07] <Lathiat> doing a null dereference
[06:07] <SEBest> vmware 5 ?
[06:07] <Lathiat> yep
[06:08] <Lathiat> http://www.vmware.com/products/img/n/vc_ss1_lg.gif <-- thats pretty coool
[06:08] <SEBest> really cool!
[06:11] <Lathiat> too bad it doesnt have a linux version
[06:11] <SEBest> the web version is more limited?
[06:23] <SEBest> lathiat: did you know about this : http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/vmware-any-any-update92.tar.gz ?
[06:23] <Lathiat> ats that?
[06:23] <Lathiat> ^wh
[06:24] <SEBest> the link
[06:24] <SEBest> i did check but it seems to be a fix for kernel 2.6.12 and vmware
[06:25] <Lathiat> ah
[06:41] <siretart> hi ogra. hi *
[06:41] <siretart> ogra: how's london?
[06:45] <ogra> fine
[06:45] <ogra> but i ffel quite exhausted... we had a long day
[06:45] <ogra> feel even
[06:48] <\sh> hey ogra
[06:50] <\sh> guys, I'm full of happyness today :)
[06:55] <ogra> \sh, send greetings :)
[06:55] <\sh> ogra: will do...he has a visitor from sidney :) so much more fun :)
[06:55] <ogra> :)
[06:55] <\sh> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/52-Weekend.html
[06:56] <\sh> my jabber server is not crashing anymore :) i will go and buy a washing machine tomorrow, today some fun with amu, hey, great time for real life :)
[06:56] <\sh> and i don't know if the picture is office compatible :)
[06:59] <\sh> ogra: and do me a favour please, if you have time, please check if you can get some english winegums, at the airport they're selling 1kg packets, try to catch one for me, pleaeaease :) I'll die for those winegums :)
[06:59] <ogra> heh, lets see
[06:59] <ogra> looks like i have a bit of time on sunday afternoon
[07:00] <\sh> as i said, if you have time or a bit of delay at the airport ;)
[07:00] <\sh> ok...7 o'clock time for the shower
[07:14] <\sh> hmmm...
[07:15] <\sh> my article about the ubuntu community model is spread everywhere even on e-linux.it
[07:15] <\sh> really surprising
[07:51] <ivoks> hi hi hrvoje
[07:51] <hrvoje> hi ante :)
[07:56] <ogra> hey ivoks
[07:56] <ivoks> ogra: hi! how are you?
[07:56] <ogra> fine... london is a bit rainy
[07:56] <ivoks> ah, right! edubuntu conference
[07:56] <ivoks> totally forgot about it
[07:57] <ogra> i have to mentor a guy from bosnia for a google bounty :)
[07:57] <ivoks> i wish i could've join you
[07:57] <ivoks> :))
[07:57] <ogra> next time :)
[07:57] <ivoks> yeah
[07:57] <ivoks> so.. what's objective of his work?
[08:00] <siretart> ogra: never mind, here in nrnberg its raining, too :(
[08:00] <ogra> http://ede.sf.net and http://xclass.sf.net for lightweight desktop
[08:00] <ivoks> siretart: hi!
[08:00] <siretart> huhu ivoks
[08:00] <ivoks> in zagreb it was raining too :(
[08:00] <siretart> btw, does anyone know a python module which does shell expansion?
[08:00] <ogra> siretart, at least they speak german there *g*
[08:01] <siretart> I want a expand('/path/to/*.changes/') to be evaluated to [ '/path/to/1.changes', '/path/to/2.changes' ] 
[08:01] <ivoks> so, xorg is going to release new X in septmeber
[08:01] <siretart> ogra: ;)
[08:02] <ivoks> too bad breezy will be frozen by then
[08:02] <ivoks> uh!!! movie!
[08:02] <ivoks> siretart: you rock!
[08:03] <ivoks> ok, see you guys
[08:04] <ivoks> please welcome hrvoje
[08:05] <ivoks> he is interested in ubuntu, and he isn't just simple user, he knows lots of stuff
[08:05] <ivoks> :)
[08:05] <ivoks> ok, time to leave...
[08:05] <hrvoje> just don't overdo it :)
[08:05] <ivoks> bye all
[08:06] <siretart> welcome hrvoje :)
[08:07] <hrvoje> siretart: thanks! I also use ubuntu occasionally, it's a good distro.
[08:09] <siretart> hrvoje: :)
[08:10] <siretart> hrvoje: so you want to hang around with us here and have some fun?
[08:11] <hrvoje> siretart: kind of :) if it's allowed to hang out in here :)
[08:13] <siretart> hrvoje: of course you perfectly are! :)
[08:16] <hrvoje> are people here mostly developers or plain lurkers like me ? :)
[08:16] <tseng> there are 65 nicks
[08:16] <tseng> and ~20 motus
[08:16] <tseng> and not all of us are logged in at all times
[08:17] <hrvoje> great, then I won't stick out like a black sheep :)
[08:17] <JanC> siretart : glob ?
[08:18] <JanC> http://docs.python.org/lib/module-glob.html
[08:18] <siretart> glob!
[08:18] <siretart> JanC: Thanks!
[08:18] <JanC> python comes with "batteries included"  ;)
[08:18] <siretart> now I only need to figure out how this popen2 stuff works ;)
[08:18] <siretart> JanC: absolutly! :)
[08:21] <JanC> starting with python 2.4 there is also subproces ( http://docs.python.org/lib/module-subprocess.html )
[08:22] <siretart> hm. I'm currently on sarge, so compatibility with 2.3 would be fine
[08:24] <JanC> ah, also have a look here then: http://docs.python.org/lib/os-process.html  :)
[08:33] <siretart> my problem is now rather that is seems to work rather on small outputs..
[09:58] <siretart> debdiff feature implemented
[09:58] <siretart> hm
[10:41] <weasel> so, what needs to be done to get a package in hoary/universe updated?
[10:41] <siretart> hi weasel ;)
[10:41] <siretart> hoary/universe is released. no updates to hoary, sorry
[10:41] <weasel> security.
[10:42] <tseng> weasel: ping Nafallo
[10:42] <siretart> aah, then it goes to the MOTUSecurity Team
[10:42] <weasel> tseng: will do
[10:42] <weasel> thanks
[10:42] <weasel> siretart: do they have a role account email address?
[10:42] <siretart> tseng: do you know any?
[10:43] <tseng> role?
[10:43] <tseng> no there is none
[10:43] <tseng> we just CC stuff in a big circle
[10:43] <tseng> torkel: Christian Bjlevik <nafallo@magicalforest.se>, Gerardo Di Giacomo <gerardo@linux.it>, Brandon Hale <brandon@smarterits.com>
[10:44] <tseng> torkel: disregard pasting tabs sucks
[10:44] <weasel> should I just send mail to those 3 addresses?
[10:44] <tseng> you can subtract the last one
[10:44] <tseng> because its me and i dont have time
[10:44] <weasel> :)
[10:45] <tseng> i think they kindly removed me from circulation already
[10:48] <siretart> JanC: I did it! (debdiff) :)
[10:49] <JanC> nice  :)
[10:59] <tseng> siretart: i think
[10:59] <tseng> that it should not say  libcwd_0.99.40-2ubuntu1_source.changes1k
[10:59] <tseng> i know what the package is
[10:59] <tseng> i think it should have a nice, css "table"
[11:00] <tseng> changes    lintian    linda   diff    dsc   orig
[11:00] <tseng> in no particular order
[11:00] <tseng> or, not nessecarily in that order
[11:00] <tseng> horizontally though
[11:00] <siretart> tseng: well, the current implementation is rather an directory index. it displays all files included in that directory
[11:00] <tseng> i see
[11:00] <siretart> this makes extending with extra analysis extremly easy
[11:01] <siretart> which was a big point in revu design decisions..
[11:01] <siretart> but you are right, the details page could be made a lot nicer
[11:01] <tseng> if this was in PHP/MySQL i would have done it all myself
[11:01] <tseng> :P
[11:02] <tseng> instead of talking
[11:02] <tseng> sorry
[11:03] <siretart> :)
[11:03] <siretart> Well, this is my first real python project.
[11:04] <siretart> and postgresql should hardly be a barrier
[11:04] <tseng> well, i dont have it
[11:05] <siretart> ic
[11:05] <tseng> and ive never so much as looked at it
[11:05] <tseng> im lazy
[11:05] <siretart> ;)
[11:05] <tseng> yep
[11:07] <tseng> Burgundavia++ "
[11:07] <tseng> Just because you known your way around a desktop doesn't mean that you don't want a usable one"
[11:09] <siretart> ?
[11:09] <tseng> siretart: uh
[11:15] <Burgundavia> indeed
[11:15] <Burgundavia> seems to be a common flawed thought process