[12:00] <twb_> now...
[12:01] <twb_> if i install another hd, will windows be on it?
[12:01] <NeoGeo64> help how do i get ubuntu to see the truetype fonts ive copied into the TTF directory
[12:01] <NeoGeo64> ive tried running fc-cache
[12:01] <cikilin> witch program sees dvd?
[12:01] <twb_> help!
[12:01] <khermans> twb_, ???  dont put windows anywhere!
[12:02] <khermans> twb_, its a virusand spreading fast
[12:02] <joseph> SO, I am having trouble with my soundcard. XMMS won't play because it says the resource is busy. I do an fuser and get /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p:    6783m    What is that?
[12:02] <thoreauputic> twb_: what on earth do you mean?
[12:02] <khermans> joseph, try disabling the sound server
[12:02] <joseph> So, it thinks the pcm is in use... but it isn't
[12:02] <flugh> any easy fix on getting the icons for kde apps to show up in my gnome menus?
[12:02] <unome> twb_: if you mean you can mount it on the new hd then yes.
[12:02] <joseph> khermans, how? kill that job?
[12:03] <khermans> joseph, System -> Preferences -> Sound
[12:03] <twb_> ok, as of now i have Ubuntu and XP, but i need to install another 40gb hd
[12:03] <topyli> joseph: it's in use by esd probably. tell xmms to use esd for output
[12:03] <flugh> joseph, try 'fuser -k -n file /dev/snd/.... etc' the -k will kill the offending process (a -v would probably tell you more about the process too)
[12:04] <joseph> topli, I tried that... still no working.
[12:04] <khermans> joseph, try my sggestion
[12:04] <twb_> if i install a second HD, how can i set it up to cantain the same info as the other?
[12:04] <khermans> twb_, you mean clone it?
[12:05] <joseph> khermans, ok, but I have no sound clicks or system sounds coming out now... but ok.
[12:05] <twb_> is that possible?
[12:05] <khermans> twb_, "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb
[12:05] <twb_> ....where do i put that?
[12:05] <joseph> Well, do the fuser -k seemed to do it.
[12:06] <thoreauputic> twb_: if you use dd, be *very* sure you have your input and output right
[12:06] <joseph> Damn, that killed Asterisks music on hold.
[12:07] <twb_> ok, heres my situation...
[12:08] <kab> anyone that knows where I can get a package for glade--
[12:08] <khermans> im off to play some softball...
[12:08] <wazdmin> i installed the nvidia drivers..it was really easy..i havent had any problems so far
[12:08] <twb_> i need my current HD setup(im moving away from home) my dad needs XP, is there a way i can put my xp on a new HD??
[12:08] <salvia> can anyone help me here with openvpn ?
[12:08] <Seveas> joseph, fuser -k kills the process using that file...
[12:08] <khermans> someone msg me if they know how to set a SYSTEM WIDE proxy for all protocol piping to a socks v4 proxy
[12:08] <wazdmin> i am still trying to fix my sound problem though
[12:09] <kab> twb_, use norton ghost,
[12:09] <Seveas> khermans, system -> prefs -> network proxy
[12:09] <Seveas> that's as system-wide as it gets...
[12:09] <cikilin> what player do i need to see a dvd movie?
[12:09] <kab> twb_, or in linux use dd if=/dev/hdaX of=windows.iso, then when you have windows.iso put in other sys and move to this
[12:09] <secata> Hi all
[12:10] <Seveas> cikilin: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[12:10] <wazdmin> i know what my problem with sound is ..i just dont know how to fix it..i know from other people helping me that i dont have the correct sound modules loaded...what can i do to get the right ones
[12:10] <khermans> Seveas, sweet dude!!!
[12:10] <khermans> Seveas, i had no idea that wes there -- was it in warty too?
[12:10] <Seveas> khermans, iirc yes
[12:10] <twb_> windows.iso will go on a cd right
[12:11] <Seveas> twb_, no
[12:11] <twb_> bom bom bom im so confused...
[12:11] <Seveas> twb_, it is not a cd-image iso
[12:11] <Seveas> the .iso extension is misleading, kab should not have used that ::)
[12:12] <kab> twb_, you have a partition with windows XP in /dev/hdaX
[12:12] <twb_> is that a question?
[12:13] <Alek> Hoe to remove apache 2????
[12:13] <thoreauputic> Alek: sudo apt-get remove apache2  ?
[12:14] <wazdmin> my comp runs so much better in a kde enviorment..i wonder y
[12:14] <secata> How do I write a file to a disk-image?
[12:14] <topyli> wazdmin: your box is kde-optimized :)
[12:14] <Alek> thoreauputic, ....broken package
[12:15] <Alek> it is apache2-common
[12:15] <highvoltage> secata: you'd have to mount the disk-image rw
[12:15] <jasoncohen> what the hell is wrong with the webmin from backports? first, it doesn't work with sudo. you have to have your root account enabled. secondly, it says my ssh server isn't configured, and apparently the configuration for the webmin-sshd is blank.
[12:15] <highvoltage> (and have some space available in the fs)
[12:15] <secata> Can't mount it, as it has no fs...trying to make a boot disk image for Bochs
[12:16] <ShadowsD> I can't install the nvidia-glx drivers in Synaptic Package Manager.. any ideas?
[12:16] <Seveas> jasoncohen, welcome to backports, they suck sometimes :)
[12:16] <secata> I have heard of something called "rawwrite"?  But the only references I get is for the windows version...
[12:16] <highvoltage> secata: so you want to create a fs first?
[12:16] <jasoncohen> Seveas, should i use a pin so that ubuntu packages are used over backports?
[12:17] <secata> No,  I want to write the file directly to the disk, as it is a boot sector...
[12:17] <thoreauputic> Seveas: I don't think problems with webmin are restricted to backports, judging from the number of times this has cropped up before
[12:17] <wazdmin> anyways....srry for repeating but i keep getting a fatal sound server error..i am really worried..i have found people with the same problem but i cant find a solution
[12:17] <secata> well, directly to the disk image that is...
[12:17] <topyli> jasoncohen: as root, create a webmin user for yourself and give it rights. then you can disable root again
[12:17] <Seveas> jasoncohen, whatever suits you best
[12:17] <highvoltage> secate: dd if=/dev/zero of=disk.img bs=512 count=2048000
[12:17] <highvoltage> mkfs.reiserfs disk.img
[12:17] <jasoncohen> topyli, yeah, i already did that. now i'm trying to figure out why it's not seeing my ssh server
[12:17] <Seveas> thoreauputic, webminis indeed not the best packaged thing in Ubuntu
[12:17] <pinky_> when I try and download things I always keep XMP parsing error: syntax error
[12:17] <highvoltage> mount disk.img /mnt/
[12:17] <Seveas> but it's in universe
[12:18] <pinky_> *XM:
[12:18] <jasoncohen> i didn't have this problem in sid
[12:18] <pinky_> :(
[12:18] <secata> Thanks...will try that...
[12:19] <cikilin> i installed mplayer and i cant see a dvd
[12:19] <cikilin> why?
[12:19] <Seveas> cikilin, you might need libdvdcss2
[12:19] <ShadowsD> im having trouble installing the nvidia-glx drivers
[12:19] <cmatheson> ShadowsD: what kind of trouble?
[12:19] <cikilin> i installed too
[12:19] <topyli> jasoncohen: weird, my webmin does see the ssh server
[12:19] <ShadowsD> they won't install
[12:19] <jasoncohen> Seveas, damn backports- webmin from hoary worked fine
[12:19] <cmatheson> ShadowsD: be specific
[12:20] <topyli> jasoncohen: it's from backports too
[12:20] <ShadowsD> I keep getting an error, hold on, let me just get the error
[12:20] <Seveas> jasoncohen, aptitude purge webmin, disable backports, aptitude install webmin
[12:21] <jasoncohen> topyli, already did that
[12:21] <topyli> Seveas: won't apt find the backports webmin from the cache? :)
[12:21] <jasoncohen> and then i installed webmin from backports and now it works
[12:21] <jasoncohen> lol
[12:21] <topyli> gotta clean up
[12:21] <topyli> heh
[12:22] <a_monkey> how do i install something from apt into /usr/local ?
[12:22] <topyli> a_monkey: you don't. why?
[12:22] <Seveas> topyli, right, apt-get update in between :)
[12:22] <thoreauputic> a_monkey: you don't - why would you want to?
[12:22] <Seveas> a_monkey, you don't (and really shouldn't)
[12:22] <a_monkey> uh
[12:22] <a_monkey> i want to install python 2.3 separately
[12:23] <a_monkey> blender requires python 2.3 libs
[12:23] <d_i_> how do change a users home dir in terminal ?
[12:23] <thoreauputic> ...
[12:23] <a_monkey> and ubuntu uses 2.4 by default
[12:23] <ShadowsD> cmatheson, heres the error I get http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/342
[12:23] <Seveas> a_monkey, you can have both python2.3 and 2.4 installed simultaneously
[12:23] <Xenguy> d_i_: what change?
[12:23] <a_monkey> Seveas: really
[12:23] <a_monkey> Seveas: cool
[12:23] <Seveas> d_i_, usermod..?
[12:23] <d_i_> i want to change a users home dir to /var/www/
[12:23] <Seveas> d_i_, or manyally editing /etc/passwd & /etc/shadow :)
[12:23] <marsh> Hey, would I be correct in assuming that Ubuntu has no 'autodetect' for my change in graphics card?
[12:23] <Madeye> is there forex like application that work under linux
[12:23] <Madeye> ?
[12:24] <thoreauputic> d_i_: can I have some of what you are smoking?
[12:24] <d_i_> huh?
[12:24] <cmatheson> ShadowsD: that's not the error, that's just saying there is an error
[12:24] <Xenguy> d_i_: that sounds like a bad idea - I'll shut up now :-)
[12:24] <cmatheson> ShadowsD: what does it say above that?
[12:24] <Seveas> d_i_, usermod -d does what wou want
[12:24] <thenuke> d_i_: =) why on earth you would want to do something like that :D
[12:25] <Seveas> thenuke, there are very good reasons to do such a thing..
[12:25] <unome> Xenguy: in the US, it is illegal to smoke your own home grown weed :p
[12:25] <twb_> i do i install Ultra ISO
[12:25] <d_i_> well i want to do so that when a user enters: ftp://www@domain.com/ that they will enter the /var/www folder so they can upload there webpage..
[12:25] <twb_> : ( it wont let me
[12:25] <thenuke> d_i_: you are better off asking how to do the things you want to accomplish, rather than guessing the good solutions by your self and asking how to do that.
[12:25] <Luke> I'm trying to get sound working with alsa. I have an audigy 2 value with my alsa modules compiled in (which should autoload them at boot) but my sound does not work. anyone care to help me troubleshoot through?
[12:25] <wazdmin> im clueless.what is win4lin
[12:25] <ShadowsD> cmatheson: 2 secs
[12:25] <wazdmin> windows in linux ?
[12:25] <Seveas> d_i_, pureftpd/proftpd can do that without changing homedirs
[12:26] <Seveas> d_i_, pureftpd/proftpd can even have complete virtual users
[12:26] <thenuke> and how about symlinks?
[12:26] <thenuke> they should work too
[12:26] <d_i_> Seveas: how?
[12:26] <d_i_> i have installed proftpd
[12:26] <Seveas> d_i_, /usr/share/doc/proftpd
[12:26] <Seveas> (pureftpd can even have accounts defined in a mysql database, I use that)
[12:27] <ShadowsD> cmatheson: heres everything from the terminal http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/345
[12:28] <marsh> that a no? nobody knows if Ubuntu can autodetect the graphics card? Google doesn't say much either. A few people moaning that it doesn't work, but thats about it!
[12:28] <cmatheson> ShadowsD: are you using synaptic to install, or what are you using?
[12:29] <ShadowsD> cmatheson: first it was synaptic, then I tried apt-get install nvidia-glx, same error
[12:29] <cmatheson> marsh: what are you talking about?
[12:29] <cmatheson> ok
[12:29] <marsh> can only find that 'ubuntu device database' in the startbar
[12:29] <pinky_> what is XML parsing error not well formed mean?
[12:30] <pinky_> followed by some other error codes
[12:30] <pinky_> when I try and download packages :(
[12:30] <pinky_> in firefox
[12:30] <cmatheson> ShadowsD: remove the xorg-driver-fglrx package
[12:30] <marsh> cmatheson, I just installed a new graphics card (matrox 450 dual - nothing flash) but now have no graphics. Unlike my old redhat box (with Kudzu) Ubuntu wont se the card, and I can see no autodetect processes
[12:30] <marsh> or autodetect programs!
[12:30] <twb_> whats the command to locate a program?
[12:31] <cmatheson> marsh: just reconfigure X
[12:31] <cmatheson> twb_: locate
[12:31] <pinky_> anyone answer my Q please :(
[12:31] <marsh> and google seems to be backing up my theory that I have to d it by hand :(
[12:31] <cmatheson> pinky_: restart firefox
[12:31] <cmatheson> marsh: it's good for you
[12:31] <pinky_> good plan batman
[12:31] <cmatheson> marsh: or just type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:32] <zeeeee> hi all, how do i safely switch to automake-1.6 as my default automake, instead of automake-1.4?
[12:32] <zeeeee> i believe there's more to it than just overwriting the symlink in /etc/alternatives
[12:32] <cmatheson> zeeeee: do you need it?
[12:32] <marsh> cmatheson, is the dpkg command the way to reconfigure X, or was our first sugestion a different way round?
[12:33] <zeeeee> cmatheson, is it a bad idea to use it?
[12:33] <pinky_> still doesnt work :x
[12:33] <Seveas> zeeeee, sudo update-ulternatives --config automake
[12:33] <Seveas> update-alternatives that is
[12:33] <twb_> pllllllzzzzzz help
[12:33] <cmatheson> zeeeee: i don't think it's bad, i just think that it's a waste of time to fix stuff that isn't broken
[12:33] <cmatheson> marsh: it all works
[12:34] <marsh> cmatheson, just wondered....
[12:34] <zeeeee> cmatheson, oh, i thought you were suggesting the backwards incompatibility defeating the purpose of automake
[12:34] <zeeeee> cmatheson, but yes i'm trying to use the nostdinc option
[12:34] <cmatheson> zeeeee: no, i'm not actually too familiar w/ the new version
[12:34] <marsh> dont mean to be a pain in the arse - just curious to learn
[12:34] <cmatheson> marsh: i like to edit the file by hand.  but the dpkg-reconfigure has a menu-driven system that is "easier" to use if you're not familiar w/ the xorg.config file
[12:34] <twb_> pllllllzzzzzz help
[12:35] <Xenguy> bye
[12:35] <Luke> I'm trying to get sound working with alsa. I have an audigy 2 value with my alsa modules compiled in (which should autoload them at boot) but my sound does not work. anyone care to help me troubleshoot through?
[12:35] <Seveas> twb_, a) you got an answer b) stop repeating c) try to spell correctly....
[12:35] <Dr_Melectaus> w00tage. im finally online with ubuntu !_!
[12:35] <twb_> geez ppl get so irritable
[12:35] <d_i> how to i give rights to allusers on the system to write and read a folder..
[12:36] <Seveas> Dr_Melectaus, it is only your imagination that thinks you are online :)
[12:36] <zeeeee> thanks Seveas
[12:36] <Seveas> d_i, chmod a+rw filename
[12:36] <Dr_Melectaus> Seveas,  i dont give a scoobie, I am so happy i acomplished what i thought was dam near impossable
[12:36] <qqq_> Hei guys, I need minimal ubuntu install only some GUI - X-window system..
[12:37] <Seveas> d_i, you might want to chmod +t filename too, that makes sure no one can delete files from others
[12:37] <Dr_Melectaus> I ave a usb modem which ubuntu didnt like
[12:37] <Seveas> Dr_Melectaus, aha :)
[12:37] <Dr_Melectaus> so i had to bridge te connection
[12:37] <d_i> Seveas ok thanks again :)
[12:37] <qqq_> i tried the expert-install mode, how to install the X with Gnome for example then
[12:37] <Dr_Melectaus> So im useing a dows machine as a gateway
[12:37] <Seveas> Dr_Melectaus, please document your attempts on the wiki, it will be helpful to others
[12:38] <jasoncohen> how often does the update manager check for updates? i used cron-apt in sid. is that necessary in ubuntu?
[12:38] <ryan_> This is the machine Dr_Melectaus / im useing as a gateway
[12:38] <thoreauputic_> qqq_: try ` sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop `
[12:38] <Seveas> qqq_ install the various gnome packages
[12:38] <Seveas> thoreauputic, he didn't want that
[12:38] <thoreauputic_> Seveas: ah, OK
[12:38] <Dr_Melectaus> seveas. i got help from torti- But sure ill take all the info from the convo  and document it for others !_!
[12:39] <qqq_> Seveas: i have to install some X firstly?
[12:39] <Seveas> qqq_, these are the gnome packages installed by default: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/346
[12:39] <Seveas> they will drag in X as dependency
[12:40] <thoreauputic_> Seveas: is that right? In Debian I had to install x-window-system-core or similar?
[12:40] <qqq_> Seveas: it sounds easy, if i could do it this way
[12:40] <Seveas> thoreauputic_, hmm, It *should* install it, that's what the dependency system is for...
[12:40] <topyli> i guess installing gnome-core will take care of everything
[12:41] <DukGalNamu> anyone here play maelstrom?
[12:41] <ateves> what do i have to add to (mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/win -t auto -rw) so that every user can access the partition?
[12:41] <ateves> only this command in the console
[12:41] <topyli> DukGalNamu: of course :)
[12:41] <lips> hi all
[12:41] <qqq_> so i do "sudo apt-get install gnome-core" sit back and relax ? :)
[12:41] <Seveas> ateves, -o umask=0000
[12:41] <Seveas> if you mean write with access
[12:41] <DukGalNamu> topyli: ummm, i am getting an error trying to play, its saying timed out waiting for frame 0
[12:41] <topyli> qqq_: check moon phase and wave a dead chicken over the box :)
[12:42] <DukGalNamu> topyli: ever get that before?
[12:42] <thoreauputic_> Seveas: hmm... OK I don't know for sure: I installed Hoary using the "server" option and just did what I used to do with Debian, which was to install the X stuff first...
[12:42] <qqq_> topyli: xexexexe
[12:42] <qqq_> thoreauputic: advise pls:)
[12:42] <thoreauputic_> qqq_: well, doing what Seveas sugests will do no harm at least ;)
[12:42] <qqq_> see i have gimplike software to run on linux (filmgimp aka cinepaint) and I want minimal gui with linux
[12:43] <roberto_> BOA NOITE AMIGOS
[12:43] <topyli> DukGalNamu: dunno, my maelstrom works fine :\
[12:43] <DukGalNamu> topyli: hmmm....
[12:43] <Seveas> roberto_, please watch your caps lock
[12:43] <roberto_> ESTOU PRECISANDO DE UMA AJUDINHA DE VCS QUEM PODE ME AJUDAR
[12:43] <DukGalNamu> achk!!! i don't care that much...
[12:43] <roberto_> ok foi mal
[12:43] <Seveas> roberto_, and we speak english in here as you should be able to see :)
[12:44] <thoreauputic_> qqq_: for really minimal, you can ` sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core xterm ` ;)
[12:44] <Seveas> thoreauputic, lol :)
[12:44] <lips> advise needed: do you know how to contact shipit department of canonical? i organise an event, so i want to order quite a lot of cd's. i'm sending them emails, and see no reply...
[12:44] <Luke> I'm trying to get sound working with alsa. I have an audigy 2 value with my alsa modules compiled in (which should autoload them at boot) but my sound does not work. any suggestions?
[12:44] <roberto_> no speak inglish
[12:44] <Seveas> lips, when is the event?
[12:44] <lips> 3rd-7th august
[12:44] <Seveas> roberto, portugues..?
[12:44] <lips> Seveas 3rd-7th august
[12:45] <Luke> roberto_: hablas espanol?
[12:45] <Seveas> lips, come to the next CC meeting (#ubuntu-meeting, july 5th, 22:00 UTC) and talk to mako
[12:45] <elgordo123> Bad partition here!    I am trying to make an image ag a 23.9 GB partition onto a ext3 partition.   I keep getting "File Size Exceeded".    I thought ext3 file size can be as big as volume.  Is that not right?
[12:46] <lips> great advice, thank you
[12:46] <elgordo123> I have 84GB on that ext3 partition...
[12:46] <terje> i hate to be so utterly retarded but how do I start ftpd?
[12:47] <Seveas> terje, which ftpd did you install?
[12:47] <roberto_> hablas uno poquito
[12:47] <mae> apt-get install vsftpd && /etc/init.d/vsftpd start
[12:47] <lips> Seveas just help me with UTC, wikipedia don't know it - is it greenwich time?
[12:47] <Seveas> mae, the postinst script will start it :)
[12:47] <mae> actually you shouldn't have to start it manually
[12:47] <Luke> roberto_: ?hablas espanol?
[12:47] <roberto_> jo brasileiro (brazil)
[12:47] <mae> Seveas, :)
[12:47] <Seveas> lips, indeed, try the command date --utc
[12:47] <thoreauputic_> lips: yes, UTC is equivalent
[12:47] <roberto_> nao
[12:48] <terje> that's what I wanted mae, thanks. I didn't install ftpd I guess.
[12:48] <Luke> ah
[12:48] <Seveas> lips, it'll be midnight or 1am in poland...
[12:48] <Luke> roberto_: i dont speak porteguese =)
[12:48] <wazdmin> has anyone ever experienced a fatal soun server error message..cpu over load aborting now..if so..what is the problem
[12:48] <elgordo123> terje.  I like to use proftpd for a ftp server
[12:48] <Seveas> roberto_, #ubuntu-pt / #ubuntu-pr
[12:48] <Seveas> roberto_, #ubuntu-pt / #ubuntu-br
[12:48] <lips> Seveas OK, thank you once again
[12:49] <elgordo123> Isn't ext3 file size can be as big as volume right?
[12:49] <Luke> I'm trying to get sound working with alsa. I have an audigy 2 value with my alsa modules compiled in (which should autoload them at boot) but my sound does not work. any suggestions?
[12:49] <cmatheson> Luke: turn up the volume
[12:49] <roberto_> seveas thanks
[12:49] <wazdmin> i get same prolems
[12:49] <Luke> cmatheson: done so already
[12:52] <joseph> I can't share my soundcard between asterisk and xmms!
[12:52] <roberto_> obrigado a todos que  me passaram dicas das outras lista
[12:52] <joseph> Why is that.
[12:52] <joseph> If I load asterisk I XMMS says pcm is in use.
[12:52] <qqq_> thoreauputic: can I pm you?
[12:52] <joseph> If I stop asterisk I can play mp3s.
[12:52] <thoreauputic> qqq_: OK
[12:53] <Seveas> joseph: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[12:54] <sktrdie> hello It's my first time on ubuntu
[12:54] <sktrdie> I would need some help
[12:54] <sktrdie> first off... how do I isntall apps from the package system?
[12:54] <joseph> It will play if asterisk is not running.
[12:54] <cmatheson> sktrdie: run 'synaptic' if you want a graphical thing, otherwise go w/ 'aptitude' from the command-line
[12:55] <sktrdie> cmatheson.. isn't it apt-get?
[12:55] <joseph> Seveas: xmms will play when asterisk isn't running.
[12:55] <cmatheson> sktrdie: use aptitude instead
[12:55] <cmatheson> sktrdie: aptitude is a smarter front-end to apt-get
[12:56] <sktrdie> ??
[12:56] <sktrdie> i'm confused
[12:56] <sktrdie> o well
[12:56] <sktrdie> so for example
[12:56] <^thehatsrule^> apt-get is CLI...
[12:56] <sktrdie> aptitude mplayer?
[12:56] <^thehatsrule^> command line
[12:56] <^thehatsrule^> if you like console, just use that
[12:56] <joseph> When I run asterisk, xmms can't access the soundcard
[12:56] <^thehatsrule^> so use, apt-get update
[12:56] <^thehatsrule^> then
[12:56] <^thehatsrule^> apt-get install mplayer
[12:56] <sktrdie> if I do apt-get mplayer it says Invalid Operation mplayer
[12:56] <sktrdie> o install
[12:57] <^thehatsrule^> first update tho
[12:57] <cmatheson> sktrdie: 'aptitude install mplayer'
[12:57] <joseph> Oh well... I guess I can't use both asterisk and xmms at the same time on ubuntu... damn, I hate the thought of going back to mandrake.
[12:57] <joseph> I know it's just a config, but hell...
[12:57] <cmatheson> joseph: then freaking fix it
[12:57] <joseph> cmatheson, I have no idea how.
[12:58] <cmatheson> just tell them to use esd
[12:58] <joseph> I have no idea how to share the soundcard on this thing.
[12:58] <wshaw> nalioth are you here
[12:59] <sktrdie> ^thehatrule^ it says that it couldnt find the package
[12:59] <Seveas> joseph, make both use esd and you're set. Ranting will get you nowhere...
[01:00] <joseph> Seveas, if I could decode what you mean, I would try it.
[01:00] <sktrdie> any help??
[01:00] <struggler> intellistation reboot fails with 'GRUB HARD DRIVE ERROR' on reboot to finish install. Can someone help?
[01:00] <cmatheson> sktrdie: start up aptitude
[01:00] <cmatheson> and search for mplayer
[01:01] <Seveas> joseph, for xmms I already gave the answer, for asterisk you will have to dig through the configuration
[01:01] <sktrdie> cmatheson: can't I do it with apt-get?
[01:01] <cmatheson> sktrdie: have you added universe/multiverse to your repositories
[01:01] <cmatheson> sktrdie: DON'T use apt-get
[01:01] <cmatheson> sktrdie: just type 'aptitude'
[01:01] <cmatheson> sktrdie: and then hit '?' and read the instructions
[01:01] <jasoncohen> libgnutls11-dev appears to be a broken package. apt-get install libgnutls11-dev  Depends: libgnutls11 (= 1.0.16-13) but 1.0.16-13ubuntu0.1 is to be installed
[01:01] <cmatheson> sktrdie: and then hit '/' to search
[01:01] <joseph> Seriously... if I go into xmms, my only options are alsa, oss, and esound... is esound esd?
[01:01] <jasoncohen> anyone else notice this problem in hoary?
[01:01] <cmatheson> joseph: yes
[01:02] <joseph> It is set to that... and it will not work with asterisk running... does that mean asterisk is using esd also?
[01:02] <leo> heya.  anyone here running ubuntu on either a compaq r4000 or HP zv6000 series laptop?
[01:02] <Seveas> joseph, no, that means asterisk is *not* using esd
[01:03] <Seveas> if both would use it, you could hear sounds from both....
[01:03] <joseph> ah... so, I have to change asterisk to use esd...
[01:03] <Seveas> yes
[01:05] <joseph> hmmm, no where does it mention for asterisk using esd... I will have to research this more.
[01:06] <lcarlos> how can i play subtitles in ubuntu???
[01:07] <yuacht> lcarlos, that isn't really a ubuntu matter
[01:07] <cmatheson> lcarlos: you need to be way more specific... what player are you using, what kind of file is it, etc
[01:07] <js_> whats the reason ubuntu installs rsyncd?
[01:08] <lcarlos> ok
[01:08] <ateves> hi! i tried to get amarok singing under ubuntu, but no plugin works, xine, gstreamer and so on. it's a basic soundblaster card (ALSA) and all system sounds are played
[01:09] <lcarlos> is an avi file and i don't know which player can play subtitles
[01:09] <TovAre> most can
[01:09] <mauper> sigh, any ideas where I can get libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 ?
[01:09] <sktrdie> lcarlos: download VLC
[01:09] <TovAre> which player are you using?
[01:09] <Seveas> ateves, make sure it uses esd..
[01:09] <lcarlos> i have VLC
[01:09] <zeeeee> --db-attach=yes --verbose --tool=memcheck --leak-check=yes --leak-resolution=high
[01:09] <punkass> anyone have ubuntu on a acer 4101 laptop
[01:09] <TovAre> press s for subtitles
[01:09] <zeeeee> woops sorry
[01:10] <lcarlos> but i don't know how to play subtitles
[01:10] <cmatheson> lcarlos: mplayer, totem... probably most of them can.  but you'll need the corresponding subtitles file afaik
[01:10] <TovAre> not all avis have subtitles.
[01:10] <HaRDaWaY> hi people
[01:10] <Seveas> mauper, libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2
[01:10] <ateves> Seveas: it does
[01:11] <mauper> Seveas: thnx
[01:12] <HaRDaWaY> i have a toshiba satellite m40-145, with wifi ipw2200, when put on power on wifi's button, my ubuntu tells me a lot of warning messages of uhci_usb, and when i make: modprobe ipw2200 it tell me: ipw2200: unable to send command TX_POWER, can you help me please?
[01:12] <terje> does anyone know how to set default answers for the live CD such that the users don't get prompted for any questions when the CD boots? I've already fixed the isolinux boot stuff but I'm wondering about the other stuff.
[01:13] <mauper> Seveas: yep, hyades runs :)
[01:13] <terje> questions being: default language, keyboard, etc.
[01:13] <terje> I'm trying to create a sweedish chef live CD that just plays clips of the sweedish chef when it boots.
[01:13] <terje> for my sweedish co-worker :)
[01:14] <terje> I'm there, except for the nagging questions.
[01:14] <jasoncohen> i tried adding backport deb-src lines but it failed. are there no src packages available?
[01:14] <BockBilbo> is it possible to have kde and gnome installed on a same pc w/o compatibility pronlems?
[01:14] <Seveas> HaRDaWaY, google for your laptop model, some need an intricate trick before the wireless works
[01:14] <yuacht> terje, hehe, i'm swe ;)
[01:14] <Seveas> jasoncohen, indeed
[01:15] <terje> yuacht, I'll send you the link to the iso when I'm done :)
[01:15] <yuacht> ;)
[01:15] <yuacht> do so
[01:15] <chrissturm> terje: do the live cds ask questions?
[01:16] <jasoncohen> Seveas, damn, backports is crap, heh
[01:16] <arentie> My wifi card is a Linksys PCI WMP54G v2.  I'm having difficulty finding a driver that works with NDISWrapper.  Does anyone know of a site where I may acquire a driver that works?
[01:16] <cyphase> http://cyphase.homelinux.com/blog/ - Bush's Favorite Phrase
[01:16] <terje> yes, they ask for your language preferences.
[01:16] <jasoncohen> Seveas, lol, my firefox 1.0.4 from backports won't let me install extensions. it says i need to upgrade to 1.0.4
[01:16] <Seveas> jasoncohen, you can email John Dong to give you access to the source
[01:16] <Dr_Melectaus> shouls a .asx stream play in music player?
[01:16] <chrissturm> terje: i know that this will be easier with the next ubuntu version. but theres surely a solution now too
[01:16] <Seveas> jasoncohen, you don't need FF from backports
[01:17] <Seveas> jasoncohen: Open firefox and in about:config set general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4
[01:17] <HaRDaWaY> Seveas, i am looking for help in google, from 2 months ago
[01:17] <HaRDaWaY> :S
[01:17] <jasoncohen> Seveas, if it's 1.0.4, why would it show as 1.0 ?
[01:17] <ateves> d'oh amarok doesn't sing at all
[01:17] <ateves> naa
[01:17] <BockBilbo> Seveas, is it possible to have gnome and kde at the same time?
[01:17] <jasoncohen> BockBilbo, yes
[01:17] <Seveas> jasoncohen, ENOIDEA
[01:18] <Seveas> BockBilbo, of course
[01:18] <jasoncohen> Seveas, i regret using backports now
[01:18] <arentie> My wifi card is a Linksys PCI WMP54G v2.  I'm having difficulty finding a driver that works with NDISWrapper.  Does anyone know of a site where I may acquire a driver that works?
[01:18] <Dr_Melectaus> shouls a .asx stream play in music player?
[01:19] <BockBilbo> but, i remember having problems with sound and some other stuff in debian when having both isntalled
[01:19] <Seveas> mplayer can handle that Dr_Melectaus
[01:19] <BockBilbo> :S
[01:19] <Dr_Melectaus> okies
[01:19] <BockBilbo> ok
[01:19] <Seveas> if you have w32codecs installed
[01:19] <BockBilbo> so im gonna install ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop
[01:19] <Dr_Melectaus> Seveas, hw do i get them Seveas
[01:19] <Seveas> from mplayerhq.hu
[01:19] <cafuego> BockBilbo: Whoa, living dangerously.
[01:19] <Dr_Melectaus> ok thanks
[01:20] <sktrdie> I cant get apt-get to work
[01:20] <hartmanr> ?
[01:20] <BockBilbo> cafuego, why do u say that?
[01:20] <hartmanr> is there a msn msger for ubuntu
[01:20] <hartmanr> ?
[01:20] <sktrdie> any package i say it tells me that it couldnt find it
[01:20] <jasoncohen> BockBilbo, he's probably just being sarcastic
[01:20] <Seveas> hartmanr, yes, installed by default
[01:20] <hartmanr> cool thans
[01:20] <BockBilbo> i see
[01:20] <Seveas> hartmanr, applications -> internet -> gaim
[01:20] <qqq_> Guys, does anyone know what's that error msg: (EE) NV(0): No valid FB address in PCI config space
[01:20] <TovAre> I just installed ubuntu. Where can I find the monitor configuration tool?
[01:20] <jasoncohen> sktrdie, you have to add sources and then apt-get update
[01:20] <cafuego> Maybe just a little bit. I should have added a ';-)'
[01:20] <sktrdie> jasoncohen? how do I do that?
[01:21] <Seveas> TovAre, there is none :)
[01:21] <jasoncohen> sktrdie, http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[01:21] <Seveas> TovAre, what are you trying to accomplish?
[01:21] <Seveas> jasoncohen, BAD IDEA!
[01:21] <Seveas> that has backports and marillat by default...
[01:21] <TovAre> I would like 1600 resolution on my 21", not 640 like it is now.
[01:21] <hartmanr> next ?
[01:22] <Seveas> TovAre: To find out how you can change your display resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:22] <kanichEEE> Where I can find a guide to install nvidia drivers?
[01:22] <hartmanr> what about a cisco vpn client?
[01:22] <Seveas> kanichEEE: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:22] <arentie> yeah, I need help installing a cisco vpn client too
[01:22] <Seveas> hartmanr, try openvpn (not installed by default, but available from the repositories)
[01:22] <hartmanr> arentie: where did you get the client from?
[01:23] <hartmanr> k
[01:23] <hartmanr> thanx: seveas
[01:24] <kanichEEE> Seveas, and for the nforce2 mobo chipset i dont need anything no?
[01:24] <Dr_Melectaus> whats the command to apt get (or what ever it is) gstreamer0-1.8-mad_0.8.9-0ubuntu4_i386.deb
[01:24] <cafuego> kanichEEE: No, that's fully supported.
[01:24] <arentie> apt get install (application)
[01:24] <kanichEEE> k thanks.
[01:24] <Seveas> kanichEEE, maybe for the onboard network card
[01:25] <lcarlos> how can i install bochs???
[01:25] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: i think you want ` sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad ` ?
[01:25] <sktrdie> jasoncohen: extra repositories?
[01:25] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks thoreauputic
[01:25] <thoreauputic> np
[01:25] <sktrdie> don't i need to install just the apt-get packages?
[01:25] <arentie> Dr: what thor said will work better! :)
[01:25] <Seveas> sktrdie: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:25] <z|bandito> hi
[01:25] <Seveas> sktrdie: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[01:25] <z|bandito> i'm installing kubuntu on an older laptop, and it gives kernel choices to install; linux-386, linux-image-386, and linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 ... i am guessing that the first two are 2.4 based kernels, with the last choice being a 2.6 kernel, but what's the difference between linux-386 and linux-image-386 , for example?  anything else?
[01:25] <Dr_Melectaus> arentie, i want it so i can play Mp3's
[01:26] <Seveas> z|bandito, they actually are all the same :)
[01:26] <Dr_Melectaus> and gstreamer0-1.8-mad_0.8.9-0ubuntu4_i386.deb is the one that plays mp3's isnt it?
[01:26] <z|bandito> lol.. o.O
[01:26] <Seveas> linux-386 and l-i-386 are mere metapackages
[01:26] <pgidz> terje you want to look at this and see if it helps https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo
[01:26] <TovAre> Another question, I havnt gotten my wireless drivers upn running yet, but apparently sudo requires network access?
[01:26] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: just use the command I gave you above
[01:26] <Seveas> install linux-386 though, it will facilitate easy upgrading
[01:27] <Seveas> z|bandito, a word of advise: KDE is a resource hog and not suitable for older machines
[01:27] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, will it enable me to play mp3s?
[01:27] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: with totem or rhythmbox, yes
[01:27] <z|bandito> well, i thought gnome would probably be faster, but the installation was choking on python and i thought i would see if i could get something on the hdd with it
[01:28] <z|bandito> it's weird though, as the live cd boots fine
[01:28] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic: says there already installed
[01:28] <Dr_Melectaus> but i cant play mp3's oddly
[01:28] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: you can also use beep-media-player, which plays mp3 by default - just enable esound output
[01:28] <z|bandito> so it can't be an inherent incompatibility.. ubuntu actually has provided the best hw support for that box so far of a few distros
[01:28] <Dr_Melectaus> where can i get hold of beep media player thoreauputic
[01:29] <sktrdie> does anyone here have  apowerbook with Ubuntu?
[01:29] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[01:29] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: it's in the universe repository
[01:30] <jakobbg> APM is not available on default setup - how do I make it available for my laptop?
[01:31] <TovAre> what can I do when sudo doesnt work? It complains about host lookup.
[01:32] <jseattle> hello nalioth
[01:32] <sara_poo__> whats the default cd-recording application with a ubuntu install?
[01:32] <sara_poo__> running gnome
[01:32] <Seveas> TovAre, do you have a root account enabled?
[01:32] <sktrdie> damn.. apt-get doesnt seem to find anything
[01:32] <sktrdie> how do I update it with every app
[01:32] <Seveas> sktrdie, post your /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:32] <bassgoon> for the ppc livecd should I boot with a -powerpc3 on a g3?
[01:33] <Seveas> sara_poo__, gnomebaker or graveman
[01:33] <sara_poo__> Seveas, thanks, what one do you prefer?
[01:33] <sktrdie> Seveas? what?
[01:33] <sara_poo__> Seveas, for disc -> disc backups
[01:33] <Seveas> sara_poo__, neither, I like both
[01:33] <sara_poo__> Seveas, lol, ok.  What one do you think i should start with, for disc -> disc backups
[01:34] <Seveas> gnomebaker is fine
[01:34] <sktrdie> Seveas: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/347
[01:34] <sktrdie> this is my
[01:34] <sktrdie> source.list
[01:34] <sara_poo__> Seveas, thanks
[01:34] <sktrdie> but apt-get doesnt seem to fetch any package
[01:34] <unome> Seveas: where do I go to mail/access in Ubuntu?
[01:34] <sktrdie> I've tried apt-get mplayer and nothing
[01:35] <daniminas> hello room.. i'm searching for a package.. xdialog..
[01:35] <Seveas> sktrdie, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/348
[01:35] <Seveas> copy the changes...
[01:35] <sysrq>  /topic
[01:35] <thoreauputic> daniminas: in the universe repository
[01:36] <thoreauputic> !repositories
[01:36] <ubotu> repositories is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:36] <kanichEEE> Has anyone tried this? http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver - and what differences has with the official one?
[01:36] <sysrq> hrmm guess it's just the one mirror that I use that stopped running it's ftpd heh
[01:36] <Seveas> unome, what do you mean..?
[01:36] <sktrdie> Seveas: ok changed. now what?
[01:36] <daniminas> ok =)
[01:36] <unome> Seveas: in sendmail ... usually it's /etc/mail/access
[01:37] <Seveas> kanichEEE, that one is OK
[01:37] <Seveas> unome, ubuntu uses postfix by default
[01:37] <kanichEEE> Do I get any improvement?
[01:37] <unome> K mate
[01:37] <Seveas> sendmail is the buggiest program ever, it's worse than windows
[01:37] <Seveas> sktrdie, sudo apt-get update
[01:37] <unome> windoze ::spit::
[01:38] <TovAre> sevaas, no it was a fresh install. I need sudo to enable the root account.
[01:39] <sktrdie> Seveas: nice its working
[01:39] <Seveas> TovAre, then boot into recovery mode
[01:39] <Seveas> TovAre, and edit /etc/hosts
[01:39] <Seveas> the line with 127.0.0.1 should say: 127.0.0.1   localhost.localdomain localhost YOUR_HOSTNAME
[01:40] <TovAre> oh, ok. Ill try that next time :) Just erased the HD.
[01:40] <sktrdie> Seveas: i just installed mplayer-powerpc
[01:40] <Seveas> heh, ok :)
[01:40] <sktrdie> how do I run it now?
[01:40] <Seveas> sktrdie, applications -> sound & video -> mplayer
[01:40] <Fazer> Hello, does anyone know how to reduce the font size in the console?
[01:40] <sktrdie> Seveas: not there
[01:40] <sktrdie> also if i try typing in terminal
[01:41] <Discipulus> I have it figured out!
[01:41] <Discipulus> where's sly?
[01:41] <unome> Fazer: right click > edit profile > General > Font
[01:41] <Seveas> sktrdie, typing mplayer in the terminal should work...
[01:41] <Fazer> unome: no no, like in the Console (without x11)
[01:41] <unome> oh, you got me there
[01:42] <sktrdie> Seveas.. nope
[01:42] <sktrdie> :(
[01:42] <Seveas> Fazer, you need to boot with the vga=773 option to get 1024x768
[01:42] <sktrdie> I'm afraid I havent setup something
[01:42] <Seveas> sktrdie, then the package has not installed correctly...
[01:42] <IrIT> evening.
[01:42] <wazdmin> can someone help me setup my sound...
[01:42] <Seveas> Fazer, there are other vga= boot options for other resolutions, GIYF :)
[01:43] <Seveas> wazdmin: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[01:43] <arentie> Does anyone know where to get the driver for a Linksys WMP54G v2 wifi card?
[01:43] <wazdmin> no
[01:43] <sktrdie> Seveas: ..
[01:44] <wazdmin> i ask like once every two hours
[01:44] <wazdmin> thats not repeating
[01:44] <pgidz> arentie the windows driver
[01:44] <Seveas> sktrdie, paste the output of dpkg -l *mplayer* on paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:44] <Seveas> wazdmin, it is. Stop it.
[01:44] <concept10> wazdmin, it would be better for you to just state the problem not just ask for help
[01:45] <sly> im here dude
[01:45] <sly> im always here i have no life away from the pc
[01:45] <Discipulus> sly, haha
[01:45] <Discipulus> sly, alright, well, I took my computer to my ISP today
[01:45] <Discipulus> sly, and we decided that it's the modem
[01:46] <Discipulus> sly, that before we look to the PC for causing problems, we should look at the modem
[01:46] <sly> as long as they ddnt blame linux im happy
[01:46] <sly> thats what my isp blamed mine on
[01:46] <wazdmin> w/e
[01:46] <Discipulus> sly, so he's gonna see if he has any old US Robotics external modems that work that he could give / sell me
[01:46] <Discipulus> sly, I can chat on AIM, Yahoo!, and IRC just fine
[01:46] <Discipulus> just can't really look at any websites
[01:46] <Discipulus> unless I have 10 minutes to wait between content
[01:46] <Discipulus> lol
[01:47] <sly> seems  you have a real nice isp
[01:47] <sly> all i get off mine is greif
[01:47] <wazdmin> BTW..i have tried posting for about two days now in forums...and i have stated my problem close to twenty times..and around the third this guy tells me to stop repeating my self
[01:47] <abli> hi! i'm trying to to download the install CD via bittorrent using the ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso.torrent file, but I get an "urlopen error (111, 'Connection refused')" error. Am I doing something wrong?
[01:47] <Seveas> Discipulus, ehm, that is a known bug in firefox (actually it's a bug in your ISP, but easy to work around in firefox)
[01:47] <Seveas> Discipulus: Open firefox and go to about:config. Now search for network.dns.disableIPV6 and set that value to true. Restart Firefox to see the effect.
[01:48] <bulletbrain> wazdmin, and now you're repeating it in here. j/k ;-)
[01:48] <concept10> wazdmin, good grief, post your problem, dont complain
[01:48] <Seveas> wazdmin, the smart people are at the mailing list. Not at the forums
[01:48] <wazdmin> lmao
[01:48] <wazdmin> u guys are so damn touchy
[01:49] <concept10> wazdmin, okay, I will help you if you stop complaining, lets get to business what is the problem?
[01:49] <Seveas> concept10, his main problem is not listening to what people are suggesting. A few people including myself have already tried to help...
[01:49] <Discipulus> Seveas, nah, it's not that, it's my connection. My modem, actually. ISP shows I'm connected at 46333 (which I should be) but a speed test shows I'm connected at 7100
[01:49] <mae> how can i enable the cups administration tool??
[01:50] <concept10> Seveas, okay - I wasnt here, just walked in
[01:50] <_simple> and then they akill the ident..
[01:50] <Seveas> Discipulus, ah ok, well, keep this one in mind too, it's a very common error :)
[01:50] <caonex> what log file would be appropiate to see what is causing my box to freeze? I suspect that the action has something to do with my power supply. This is because the monitor in my bios is detecting some anormalities. My memory is ok, I am certain because I have run memtest about 3 times already.
[01:50] <Discipulus> Seveas, will do!
[01:51] <Seveas> /var/log/{emerg*,kern*,messages}
[01:51] <sly> i got least 4/5 old 56k's i could have gave you
[01:51] <tahorg> caonex: try to boot without acpi nor apic activated
[01:51] <sly> id happily post em out if u lived in the country
[01:51] <arentie> I've installed openvpn via Synaptic.  How do I run it?
[01:51] <tahorg> arentie: you have to configure it first
[01:52] <tahorg> vi /etc/openvpn/blah.conf
[01:52] <tahorg> then /etc/init.d/openvpn restart
[01:52] <tahorg> arentie: there is no "point-and-click" configuration
[01:53] <MachineScrew> damn I am board
[01:53] <sara_poo__> i just did a default install, and sound doesn't work.  Where do i start?
[01:53] <arentie>  so, what do I insert in place of the "blah"? :
[01:54] <tahorg> arentie: it's no magic command
[01:54] <tahorg> arentie: what you want to do ?
[01:54] <reka> sara_poo__: define "doesn't work". do you get any sound at all? e.g. when you click on the firefox icon on the panel.
[01:54] <tahorg> arentie: you have to write a configuration file for what you want to do
[01:55] <tahorg> then put this conf on /etc/openvpn
[01:55] <tahorg> then reload the service
[01:55] <sara_poo__> reka, when I use mpg321 on a mp3 file it says "Can't find suitable libao driver.  (is device in use?)
[01:55] <sara_poo__> reka, i've tried as root also
[01:55] <arentie> I want to connect to ip address 65.113.217.6
[01:55] <Seveas> sara_poo__, do you hear system sounds..?
[01:55] <sara_poo__> nothing
[01:56] <caonex> tahorg, hmm, how do you acomplish that with grub?
[01:56] <Seveas> sara_poo__, do you have multiple sound cards (like a built-in one and a real card)
[01:56] <sara_poo__> Seveas, nope, just a built in one.  On my previous distro I used the snd_via82xx module, with alsa
[01:56] <caonex> tahorg, you just add that to the line, right after the root indication?
[01:56] <sara_poo__> i have loaded this module
[01:56] <sara_poo__> without an error
[01:57] <Seveas> sara_poo__, hmm, what does amixer say?
[01:58] <sara_poo__> Seveas, not a whole lot, everything appears to be fine
[01:58] <caonex> tahorg, ?
[01:58] <sara_poo__> Seveas, alsamixer notices my card as a VIA 8237 correctly
[01:58] <Seveas> sara_poo__, aha, is it muted in any way..?
[01:59] <sara_poo__> Seveas, doesn't look like it.  'mute' in a terminal is not found... not a command
[01:59] <sara_poo__> (was in my last distro though)
[01:59] <tahorg> caonex: yes
[01:59] <Discipulus> sara_poo__, you could tell through alsamixer if it was muted...
[01:59] <Seveas> sara_poo__, in alsamixer you can see it...
[01:59] <tahorg> caonex: add in the kernel= line
[01:59] <sara_poo__> it's turned up
[01:59] <sara_poo__> the volume
[01:59] <tahorg> caonex: noacpi noapic
[01:59] <Seveas> sara_poo__, try: mpg321 -o esd
[01:59] <sara_poo__> and if it was muted, why would mpg123 give me an error?
[02:00] <caonex> tahorg, what both stand for?
[02:00] <Seveas> sara_poo__, ubuntu uses esd, so mpg321 needs to be told to use esd
[02:00] <caonex> tahorg, why they are not working?
[02:00] <sara_poo__> Seveas, same results with -o esd
[02:00] <Seveas> sara_poo__, ok: what does lsof | grep /dev/dsp say?
[02:00] <ramblingturtle23> sara_poo_: are the codecs installed they must be installed to play mp3
[02:00] <tahorg> caonex: some motherboard are buggy
[02:01] <Fazer> Seveas: GIFY ?
[02:01] <sara_poo__> ramblingturtle23, lemme find a wav, what can i play a wav with?
[02:01] <Fazer> Seveas: How do I set vga=773 ?
[02:01] <tahorg> caonex: this is a workaround, not a real solution
[02:01] <Seveas> Fazer, Google Is Your Friend
[02:01] <ramblingturtle23> sara_poo_: need codec for that to
[02:01] <Fazer> Seveas: Okay, vga=773, does that go in menu.lst for Grub?
[02:01] <Seveas> and you set it in the #kopt line of /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:01] <tahorg> caonex: what chipset is on your MB ?
[02:01] <sara_poo__> here is my exact message:  http://pastebin.ca/16584
[02:01] <sara_poo__> error message
[02:02] <Fazer> Seveas: ah i see.
[02:02] <Seveas> Fazer, put it only in the #kopt line
[02:02] <caonex> tahorg, VIA
[02:02] <reka> Fazer: yep, append it to the kernel line
[02:02] <Seveas> and run sudo update-grub afterwards
[02:02] <tahorg> caonex: (I don't say "the problem is this one", I'm just trying to help you to find the problem)
[02:02] <Seveas> reka, DO NOT do that manually :)
[02:02] <Seveas> always use the #kopt line and the debian kernel automagicary :)
[02:03] <Fazer> reka: sweet
[02:03] <reka> Seveas: sorry, he's changing the framebuffer isn't he?
[02:03] <Fazer> Seveas: thanks you.
[02:03] <Seveas> reka, indeed
[02:03] <caonex> tahorg, I suspect my power supply because not the VSB 5V but the other  +5 is turning out to 4.5 -4.6
[02:03] <reka> Fazer: yeah, listen to Seveas instead of me. :)
[02:03] <Seveas> but if you append it to the kernel line, you will lose it on kernel upgrades
[02:03] <Fazer> reka: :)
[02:04] <Fazer> Seveas: that isn't a big deal..
[02:04] <reka> Seveas: ah, ok. :)
[02:04] <caonex> tahorg, so title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-386
[02:04] <caonex> root		(hd0,2)
[02:04] <caonex> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda3 ro quiet splash
[02:04] <caonex> noapci noapic
[02:04] <caonex> initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-386
[02:04] <caonex> savedefault
[02:04] <caonex> boot
[02:04] <Fazer> Seveas:  after appending to the kernel options line, I run grub-update?
[02:04] <tahorg> caonex: that's ugly :(
[02:04] <Seveas> caonex, DO NOT paste in here
[02:04] <js_> Fazer: no
[02:04] <Seveas> Fazer, yes
[02:04] <Fazer> :)
[02:04] <caonex> Seveas, i am sorry i did not think it was going to be that long.
[02:04] <Fazer> conflict!
[02:04] <Seveas> js_, do not give bad advise...
[02:04] <reka> Seveas: also, i thought you don't need to run anything to update the grub menu, unlike lilo.
[02:04] <caonex> Seveas, i meant to paste one line
[02:05] <tahorg> caonex: if you want to paste /j #flood and tell it
[02:05] <Seveas> reka, well, you do need to if you use the debian zutomagic kernel list features
[02:05] <js_> Fazer: what file did you edit?
[02:05] <caonex> tahorg, or ubuntu.pastebin.com ;), so how should i modify it?
[02:05] <Seveas> reka, you can also edit all kerenl lines manually, but this is easier :)
[02:05] <Fazer> js_: menu.lst
[02:05] <reka> Seveas: righto then
[02:05] <js_> Fazer: have you got grub in your mbr?
[02:05] <Seveas> js_, the # kopt line
[02:06] <js_> Seveas: ok
[02:06] <Fazer> js_: as far as i know, Ubuntu come swith Grub by default.  Which is what I use.
[02:06] <Seveas> Fazer, correct
[02:06] <js_> nevermind then
[02:06] <tahorg> caonex: you have to put the option at the end of the line
[02:06] <Fazer> Its all good.
[02:06] <tahorg> caonex: not on a new line
[02:06] <Seveas> Fazer, to make this change effective, you need to reboot
[02:06] <Seveas> there is no way of doing this without a reboot unfortunately
[02:06] <caonex> tahorg, at the end of the line containing the kernel and the root partition, you mean?
[02:06] <KhaBal> everytime i change my host name and reboot, the host name changes to the old hostname, how can i do it that every reboot the hostname stays the same thing i want
[02:06] <tahorg> caonex: yes
[02:07] <tahorg> caonex: this is a kernel option, as root= is
[02:07] <Fazer> Seveas: ah, I see.  Will do when I am done watching Jon Steward :)
[02:07] <Seveas> KhaBal, how exactly do you change the hostname?
[02:07] <caonex> tahorg, perfect, i guess this is the problem for my dads computer as well, he has a msi motherboard and it restarts from time to time.
[02:08] <KhaBal> Seveas: sudo hostname <name>
[02:08] <cafuego> crud, i think my pci ide controller is busted
[02:08] <tahorg> caonex: sometimes it can be fixed with a bios upgrade
[02:08] <caonex> tahorg, i am trying to get him to love linux, especially ubuntu, and he keeps telling me that it logs him out. Well he just upgraded it.
[02:08] <Seveas> KhaBal, that only lasts until reboot indeed, you need to edit /etc/hostname (and /etc/hosts if you want sudo to continue to work!!) for a more permanent change
[02:09] <hartmanr> seveas: how to change root using sudo
[02:09] <heatxsink1> hello all
[02:09] <KhaBal> Seveas: continue to work?
[02:09] <jasoncohen> does ubuntu's firefox have all the security patches in 1.0.3 and 1.0.4? when i checked the security notes i found most but not all of the security issues from mozilla's site listed
[02:09] <socomm> hartmanr: sudo passwd
[02:09] <Seveas> KhaBal, sudo needs the correct hostname to be present in /etc/hosts
[02:09] <hartmanr> thanks
[02:09] <hartmanr> soco
[02:09] <Seveas> socomm, do NOT just advise that
[02:09] <Seveas> it's a Bad Thing
[02:10] <Seveas> hartmanr, what are you trying to accomplish..?
[02:10] <Seveas> jasoncohen, yes it does have all of them
[02:10] <jasoncohen> hartmanr, you can do sudo -s with the same affect
[02:10] <hartmanr> i installed ubuntu earlier and i want to change the default passwrd for root
[02:10] <KhaBal> Seveas: thanx
[02:10] <cyphase> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8404622/
[02:10] <Seveas> hartmanr there is no default password
[02:10] <caonex> tahooie, can i change noapci with sysctl, without restarting?
[02:11] <jo> hm
[02:11] <jasoncohen> Seveas, why are only some of the MFSA's listed?
[02:11] <Seveas> hartmanr, in fact ubuntu has no root password, and you really should keep it that way
[02:11] <Seveas> hartmanr: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[02:11] <hartmanr> ok then i want to change it from whatever it is to something else
[02:11] <caonex> tahorg, can i change noapci with sysctl, without restarting?
[02:11] <socomm> hartmanr: Ubuntu is a rootless distro.
[02:11] <KhaBal> seveas: and my resolution changes to 800:640 from time to time, I want it to stay on 1000(forgot the number but its over 1000 resolution) everytime i reboot
[02:11] <NeoGeo64> UBUNTU > WINDOWS XP
[02:11] <hartmanr> well when you su
[02:11] <caonex> socomm, I have root
[02:11] <jo> downloaded breezy but then wont instal no good the iso
[02:11] <KhaBal> soemtimes its 1000, sometimes 800
[02:11] <Seveas> jasoncohen, no idea, you should ask on the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[02:11] <hartmanr> the password it asks for
[02:11] <caonex> socomm, I use root for everything.
[02:11] <socomm> caonex: By default there is no user named root.
[02:11] <Seveas> hartmanr, you don't use su on ubuntu
[02:12] <Seveas> hartmanr, you use sudo on ubuntu
[02:12] <Seveas> socomm, there is, the password is just disabled...
[02:12] <sara_poo__> socomm, i thought there was, it's just no pw
[02:12] <Seveas> jo, read the topic
[02:12] <sara_poo__> socomm, nobody knows the pw
[02:12] <sara_poo__> i'm going to guess mine
[02:12] <Seveas> do NOT use breezy yet, it's too instable
[02:12] <caonex> Seveas, I use su in ubuntu, what do you mean by that?
[02:12] <pgidz> jo you could try burning your iso at slower speed see if that helps
[02:12] <hartmanr> let me think
[02:13] <jtan325> if i need to install python using ./configure, make, and make install, and i need to install to a specific directory instead of /usr/local/bin, how do i do this?
[02:13] <Seveas> caonex, using su is not the Ubuntu way of doing things :)
[02:13] <sara_poo__> jtan325, i'd read the ./configure --help
[02:13] <sara_poo__> jtan325, see if its in there
[02:13] <Seveas> pgidz, burnomg slower will not repair a broken distro :)
[02:13] <Seveas> jtan325, please install python from the repositories...
[02:13] <jo> pgidz i stik wit dis for wile than later i wil run breezy
[02:13] <caonex> Seveas, but isnt it more secure to have only one admin access?
[02:14] <Seveas> caonex, absolutely not
[02:14] <Seveas> caonex, read that wikipage for a discussion about it
[02:14] <jo> Seveas i think also that not the problem
[02:15] <tahorg> caonex: I don't think so, but I sincerely don't know
[02:15] <siimo>  hi anyone here work with a ext cvs server?
[02:15] <jtan325> Seveas, i normally would, but i have to install specifically 2.3.3 for our work servers
[02:15] <jtan325> that's all
[02:15] <Discipulus> jtan325, ./configure --prefix=<the-prefix-minus-bin>
[02:15] <socomm> So what's the root default password?
[02:15] <socomm> 123456?
[02:15] <jo> ist was deteking progie on setup then brok down
[02:15] <reka> has anyone else had their computer hang on logout? screen goes black, won't return and i have to force reboot
[02:15] <jtan325> thanks guys
[02:15] <Seveas> jtan325, aha...
[02:15] <socomm> Or maybe `toor'.
[02:15] <Discipulus> socomm, there is no default root password
[02:15] <Discipulus> socomm, it's disabled by default
[02:16] <socomm> It was joke.
[02:16] <Seveas> socomm: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[02:16] <hartmanr> seveas: the command to change the root password is this :sudo passwd root
[02:16] <Seveas> socomm, there actually is *no* password for root...
[02:16] <jtan325> socomm, don't do it
[02:16] <Seveas> hartmanr, correct, but try not to do it since the default on Ubuntu is sudo and for instance all menu entries use it
[02:17] <socomm> `sudo passwd', but people here are against that.
[02:17] <socomm> Especifying root is redundant.
[02:17] <Seveas> socomm, not really...
[02:17] <reka> jtan325: fyi, checkinstall is a nicer way if you really want to install stuff from source.
[02:17] <Seveas> sudo does not se $USERNAME
[02:17] <caonex> Seveas, well to me using root, su is the same a sudo, is just that the users in the sudoers file basically belong to the root group.
[02:17] <Seveas> caonex, sudo can do much more fine-grained access control...
[02:18] <unome> ...and timing is less 5 minutes I think
[02:18] <caonex> tahorg, when apci tries to work, where does it document its moves?
[02:18] <caonex> Seveas, I just have that debian mind in me ;)
[02:18] <jtan325> ahh but i am doing this from the command line
[02:19] <Seveas> caonex, surgically remove that ;)
[02:19] <tahorg> caonex: try to cd in /proc/acpi/
[02:19] <jtan325> so i am going to do ./configure --prefix=(the prefix)
[02:19] <Seveas> jtan325, checkinstall is also commandline ...
[02:19] <jtan325> and then make, and make install
[02:19] <Seveas> make and checkinstall
[02:19] <caonex> tahorg, but that is not static, there isnt one?
[02:19] <caonex> Seveas, so what do you mean by fine-grained
[02:19] <caonex> ?
[02:19] <jo>  Seveas wy is the colc time not responding?
[02:19] <QMario> Is there a linux version of Quicken or Microsoft Money for Ubuntu?
[02:19] <Seveas> caonex, read man sudo or man sudoers
[02:19] <jo> clok
[02:20] <socomm> Seveas: If you wre not specify root as the initial user `sudo passwd' would have the same effect, if I'm not mistaken.
[02:20] <socomm> In that case I would think that root is redundant.
[02:20] <jo> i put time on amsterdam  but ceapt them same ron time
[02:20] <KhaBal> Seveas: everytime i use the command sudo this error comes up sudo: unable to lookup Erkan via gethostbyname()
[02:20] <T5> QMario, i think there is starmoney
[02:20] <socomm> s/wre/were/
[02:20] <QMario> T5, is it free?
[02:20] <Seveas> jo, please try to speak proper english, you are completely not understandable...
[02:21] <socomm> QMario: gnucash
[02:21] <jo> i did setup time zone amsterdam
[02:21] <jo> but its staning the same ron time
[02:21] <caonex> Seveas, he means: why is the clock time not responding?, whatever that means.
[02:21] <Seveas> jo, wtf do you mean with ron time..?
[02:22] <caonex> Seveas, wrong time
[02:22] <caonex> hehe
[02:22] <jo> its off the time
[02:22] <Seveas> pffffffff
[02:22] <QMario> Thank you T5 and socomm. :-D
[02:22] <caonex> jo: I understand you
[02:22] <caonex> Seveas, if you need me to translate, hehe
[02:22] <Seveas> jo, set your bios clock to GMT or tell ubuntu that the bios clock does not use GMT
[02:22] <jo> sorry
[02:22] <caonex> Seveas, he is writing as he pronounces..
[02:22] <jo> oke
[02:23] <caonex> jo talk to me, and i will translate
[02:23] <jo> i wont to have ijscream
[02:23] <KhaBal> Sevas: what does it mean?
[02:23] <moparfan90> hello all
[02:23] <jo> andt a date witch monica d
[02:24] <Seveas> KhaBal, that is what I meant with: if you want sudo to work, edit /etc/hosts
[02:24] <unome> lol
[02:24] <KhaBal> i did
[02:24] <KhaBal> what do you change?
[02:24] <KhaBal> 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost localhost
[02:24] <moparfan90> anyone know where i can download doom 3 for free for linux?
[02:24] <KhaBal> lol
[02:24] <Seveas> khabal change the last localhost to erkan
[02:25] <KhaBal> that would be illegal moparfan90
[02:25] <Seveas> jo, als je liever in het Nederlands chat, kom dan naar #ubuntu-nl
[02:25] <reka> jo: you want icecream and a date with monica d. ??
[02:25] <Seveas> damn, too late :)
[02:25] <socomm> moparfan90: No such thing.
[02:25] <jtan325> holy crap Seveas you can speak nl?
[02:26] <moparfan90> antone have doom 3
[02:26] <socomm> Doom 3, perhaps you mean the demo?
[02:26] <unome> or ther server
[02:26] <Seveas> jtan325, I am from NL :)
[02:26] <moparfan90> no. the game. i only want the multiplay part
[02:26] <xabbu|> There is a unofficial installer for doom3 for Linux, but you still need the original install cds.
[02:27] <jtan325> cool Seveas
[02:27] <socomm> moparfan90: Go buy the retail version, I believe it comes with the linux port on the disk.
[02:27] <moparfan90> o  ok. you know how much it is?
[02:28] <moparfan90> bye
[02:28] <socomm> moparfan90: Nope, check on froogle. or something.
[02:28] <moparfan90> g2g
[02:28] <unome> doom3 is like a year old already, isn't it?
[02:28] <socomm> See you.
[02:28] <xabbu|> Yeah almost.
[02:28] <socomm> To the best of my knowledge, yes.
[02:31] <MachineScrew> can any one tell me how to set up an anymous proxy for my laptop
[02:31] <j_> whats the file for your default window manager?
[02:31] <_unome> Konversation crashes on me one more time and I will switch to xchat or other client.
[02:31] <reka> Seveas: excuse my ignorance, but what do you call yourselves?  netherlandians?
[02:31] <reka> _unome: kde apps tend to do that. :)
[02:31] <Seveas> reka, no, dutch
[02:31] <j_> yes, I don't like many kde apps
[02:32] <j_> reka: can you think of a good kde app?
[02:32] <_unome> reka: not if you roll'em yourself
[02:32] <Seveas> (it's both an adverb and a noun)
[02:32] <jakobbg> k3b
[02:32] <MachineScrew> guess thats a no
[02:32] <j_> I actually like tOra, and i don't know of a gtk replacement
[02:32] <_unome> let's not get kde-gnome war here, I get touchy when someone badmouth KDE :(
[02:32] <reka> j_: no.  i 've had horrible experiences with them.
[02:32] <jakobbg> j_: tora is the best timesaver there is
[02:33] <Seveas> _unome, KDE sucks
[02:33] <j_> jakobbg: have you tried aqua data studio?  It's good for multi-db stuff
[02:33] <jakobbg> a new release was out the other day
[02:33] <sly> wekk said
[02:33] <MachineScrew> OK how can I get an KDE app to look right in GNOME with out installing KDE
[02:33] <j_> jakobbg: of tora?
[02:33] <MachineScrew> and somthing better thant qtconfig
[02:33] <sly> well*
[02:33] <jakobbg> j_: yeah
[02:33] <Seveas> _unome, don't "_
[02:33] <Seveas> :)
[02:33] <_unome> :p
[02:33] <jakobbg> j_: no, i haven't - isn't that applish?
[02:34] <j_> jakobbg: it's a java app, but one of the better java apps i've used.   It connects with no problems to db2, oracle, sql server, postgres, mysql
[02:34] <Fazer> Hello
[02:34] <Seveas> hi
[02:34] <j_> jakobbg: nice schema browser, etc.
[02:34] <reka> MachineScrew: what programs are we talking about?  perhaps we could recommoned non-KDE alternatives. :)
[02:34] <sly> i could only get my desktop how i wanted it with gnome
[02:34] <jakobbg> j_: sounds great as long as it works for oracle - got an url!?
[02:34] <Fazer> Seveas: That vga=773 didn't work.  I added it at the end of the #kopt line.
[02:34] <j_> jakobbg:there is a catch....
[02:35] <MachineScrew> Skype mainly
[02:35] <j_> jakobbg: it's not free for commercial use
[02:35] <sly> ????
[02:35] <Seveas> Fazer, did you run update-grub?
[02:35] <jakobbg> no problem, we're loaded :-). as long as it's open source.
[02:35] <j_> jakobbg: but i've been on a trial for about 2 months.  they don't shut it out ever.
[02:35] <reka> sly: me too.  i can't use anything else now.
[02:35] <Fazer> Seveas: oh shoots, that's the command, I was trying grub-update and was stumped of why it wasn't working.. =/
[02:35] <Fazer> let me try that
[02:35] <MachineScrew> and HP tools
[02:35] <jtan325> Seveas, how does one look at the ubuntu source? i'm a cse student, just curious to see if there's anything i could contribute
[02:35] <sly> admitingly i was kde at vey first
[02:35] <Seveas> Fazer, lol :)
[02:35] <KhaBal> is synaptic working for u guys
[02:35] <j_> jakobbg: I don't have a url, but a quick google for aqua data studio should show ya
[02:35] <KhaBal> coz its not working form e
[02:35] <sly> then xfce . now gnome
[02:36] <KhaBal> it saying synaptic is not available please check network connections
[02:36] <Seveas> jtan325, with apt-get source you download the source of a package
[02:36] <j_> anyone know where my default window manager setting is stored?  It was to /usr/bin/gdm initially... etc
[02:36] <jakobbg> j_: found it
[02:36] <Seveas> jtan325, all help is appreciated in the MOTU (team of volunteers that maintain the vast majority of packages)
[02:36] <jtan325> Seveas, right. is there a place with a list of "ubuntu could use this..."?
[02:36] <reka> j_: iirc, ~/.gnome2
[02:37] <reka> j_: ah whoops
[02:37] <j_> reka: whree is the global one, where you set your login manager type thing
[02:37] <reka> j_: sorry, misread that. :)
[02:37] <j_> ah, ok
[02:37] <j_> ah, found it
[02:37] <Seveas> jtan325, Bugzilla ;)
[02:37] <j_>  /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[02:37] <jtan325> haha of course
[02:37] <Seveas> and the various MOTU packages on wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:37] <Seveas> s/packages/pages/
[02:38] <j_> be right back, gotta reboot stuff
[02:38] <arentie> How do I remove/uninstall compiled sofware?
[02:38] <j_> fdisk
[02:38] <j_> works
[02:38] <j_> but there is other ways too
[02:38] <j_> apt-get remove or fdisk
[02:38] <Seveas> arentie, if you installed it from the repositoreis: apt-get remove
[02:38] <jtan325> Seveas, aw man you gotta be a New Member first for MOTU
[02:39] <Seveas> otherwise: hope for a make uninstall in the Makefile
[02:39] <jtan325> doesn't that require actually making contributions first
[02:39] <Seveas> jtan325, you can make a contribution without being a member
[02:39] <McScruff> lo
[02:39] <Fazer> Seveas: wow, that works awesomly.
[02:39] <Fazer> Seveas: thanks =)
[02:39] <reka> arentie: that's why it pays to use checkinstall.  you can just uninstall the deb file it creates iirc
[02:39] <Seveas> jtan325, just talk to the MOTU about what you want to do
[02:39] <jakobbg> *making mental note to self*: removing .xsession-errors while gdm is running is not a good idea.
[02:39] <Seveas> jtan325, #ubuntu-motu is the place to be for that :)
[02:40] <MachineScrew> so can any one help me make skype look less ugly under GNOME without installing KDE
[02:40] <MachineScrew> or qtconfig
[02:41] <jtan325> Seveas, there's no one there?
[02:41] <reka> arentie: please keep it in the channel.  more people can help that way.
 how do I perform the uninstall of the ndiswrapper that I compiled at /usr/src?
[02:41] <arentie> how do I perform the uninstall of the ndiswrapper that I compiled at /usr/src?
[02:41] <Seveas> jtan325, you must have misspelled the name when /join ing
[02:41] <othernoob> is the wine version in the repos stable and works smoothly?
[02:41] <arentie> basically, I followed the directions at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[02:42] <Seveas> you're not in the channel :)
[02:42] <Seveas> arentie, these are bad
[02:42] <sweeny> arentie: can you do 'make uninstall' in the source dir?
[02:42] <jtan325> Seveas, you are right. stupid me
[02:42] <Seveas> you should simply install linux-restricted-modules
[02:42] <Fazer> Seveas: do you know how to watch movies properly in mplayer though? It seems that after I changed the vga settings, mplayer functions weirdly
[02:42] <Seveas> Fazer, describe 'weirdly'...
[02:42] <KhaBal> after you compile .tar file make makeinstall does, is the folder needed anymore?
[02:42] <arentie> no, I receive the error: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[02:42] <KhaBal> or do you just delete it?
[02:42] <MachineScrew> so that is a no to hun ?
[02:43] <arentie> i receive the error: root@marndthomepcubuntu:/usr/src # sudo make uninstall
[02:43] <arentie> make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'.  Stop.
[02:43] <Fazer> Seveas: hmm, nevermind, it was an .mpeg file that I was playing.  Played an .avi file and it works fine. The problem is that the files that I play aren't fullscreen.
[02:43] <MachineScrew> oh well
[02:43] <smack> ok what the heck.. visudo opens nano? shouldn't the command be nanosudo then?
[02:44] <Seveas> smack, visudo opens $EDITOR
[02:44] <smack> ahh!
[02:44] <sarmiento> I install the nvdia driver from the nvidia page, bun now I cant't run th graphic mode
[02:44] <jtan325> Seveas, is linux-source the only source i can browse?
[02:44] <jtan325> i've seen parts of that already through my OS class i took recently
[02:45] <jtan325> haha
[02:45] <Seveas> jtan325, no, you can download sources for a package with apt-get source $packagename
[02:45] <sarmiento> somebody can helpme?
[02:45] <Seveas> beware!: it downloads to the current directory
[02:45] <reka> KhaBal: you can just delete it.  but [1]  you can't uninstall without the makefile [2]  you should only compile from source when it isn't in the repo.  even then, use checkinstall for easy uninstallation.
[02:45] <Seveas> jtan325, it would be wise to apt-get install maint-guide (and read that) if you plan on doing packaging
[02:45] <arentie> what do i do to create the uninstall for ndiswrapper at /usr/src?
[02:46] <niran> sarmiento, the best way to install the nvidia driver is to use the prepackaged one ubuntu provides
[02:46] <Sophistication> sarmiento, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[02:46] <jtan325> Seveas, what i meant was the ubuntu source
[02:46] <Sophistication> sarmiento, sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[02:46] <jtan325> is there source code for "linux with ubuntu"
[02:46] <jtan325> or is that what source-linux means, when it says "with ubuntu patches"
[02:46] <Fazer> Seveas: night.
[02:47] <sly> hour ahead of us :)
[02:48] <Fazer> 8:46 here.
[02:48] <Fazer> PM that is.
[02:48] <philnk1> after installing ubuntu on the hard drive, there was no option for configuring a dialup modem.  what package didn't install for dialup services?
[02:48] <Fazer> heh, my bank account say $666
[02:48] <sarmiento> but now i can't run graphic mode with the first kernel
[02:49] <reka> philnk1: you can set it up thru places->network servers iirc
[02:49] <philnk1> thanks
[02:50] <bimberi> philnk1: or possibly System -> Administration -> Networking
[02:50] <reka> philnk1: yes, that's probably better. :D
[02:50] <reka> thanks bimberi
[02:51] <sarmiento> I think that the pach crash the configuration
[02:51] <bimberi> reka: np :)
[02:51] <philnk1> i guess that i bypassed network setup during install because i thought ppp would be available anyway
[02:51] <moparfan90_> helo
[02:51] <moparfan90_> helo
[02:51] <sarmiento> hi
[02:51] <reka> philnk1: i wouldn't worry.  my modem wasn't detected either.
[02:51] <sarmiento> what can I do?
[02:52] <sarmiento> Are there some way to reinstall the basic configuration?
[02:53] <moparfan90_> matb
[02:53] <moparfan90_> maybe
[02:53] <steven_> hey
[02:53] <steven_> my screen resoluction is 2 big how do i change that
[02:54] <reka> !fixres
[02:54] <ubotu> fixres is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:54] <reka> steven_: there you go.
[02:58] <MachineScrew> any body have any info on how to make skype look less ugly
[02:58] <ateves> can maximized windows cover a panel as in KDE?
[02:58] <steven_> how do i change the root password it never asked to give me one
[02:59] <ateves> steven_:console
[02:59] <ateves> sudo passwd root
[02:59] <ateves> enter YOUR password
[02:59] <steven_> that doesnt work
[02:59] <ateves> your desired root PW and again
[02:59] <ateves> why?
[02:59] <reka> steven_: there isn't one
[02:59] <reka> !rootsudo
[02:59] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:00] <ateves> why can't maximized windows cover my panel?
[03:00] <ateves> that hurts me :D
[03:01] <tiglionabbit> StoneTable: you don't need a root password.  You can use sudo
[03:01] <tiglionabbit> oops
[03:01] <tiglionabbit> ateves:
[03:01] <ateves> he left ;)
[03:01] <tiglionabbit> heh I thought that was an s in your name and hit tab
[03:01] <smack> does this nano editor that comes up when you run visudo check for parse errors?
[03:01] <tiglionabbit> oh steven.  dah similar names, I'm sorry
[03:02] <smack> I guess I'll just try typing nonsense and see what it does. :)
[03:02] <tiglionabbit> smack: according to the manual, yes it does
[03:02] <smack> we shall see! ;D
[03:03] <KhaBal> how do i move all the files in this folder, its just going to take too long to copy one byo ne
[03:03] <smack> oh nano writes sudoers.tmp and runs that through some kind of parse checking thing after.
[03:03] <KhaBal> how do i just move all the files?
[03:04] <socomm> KhaBal: `man mv'
[03:04] <KhaBal> man page has nothing about moving everything at once
[03:04] <socomm> `mv * target_directory'
[03:05] <tiglionabbit> KhaBal: how much stuff do you want to move?
[03:05] <KhaBal> 50 files in a director
[03:05] <KhaBal> join #mplayer
[03:05] <tiglionabbit> * should represent all filenames in your current directory
[03:06] <socomm> You could always go in with nautilus and do a CTL+A and CTL+X and go to a dir and paste them.
[03:06] <tiglionabbit> to move multiple files, list them and then put a directory name as the last parameter
[03:06] <BockBilbo> is there any way to make gtk programs l
[03:06] <TokenBad> in ubuntu if I want to see how many files are in a dir and all its sub dirs how would I do that?
[03:06] <BockBilbo> *look bether in kde?
[03:06] <socomm> BockBilbo: Yes.
[03:06] <wweasel> hey. question: apparently ubuntu has a bug with firefox that i can fix by using apt-get. what do i apt-get for the fix?
[03:07] <BockBilbo> sorry for the typo
[03:07] <socomm> BockBilbo: Yes.
[03:07] <sirdanny> hola alguien habla espaol??
[03:07] <reka> hehe. round the twist is on tv.
[03:07] <BockBilbo> socomm, how com?
[03:07] <CarlFK> is /etc/network/interfaces where I would set a static IP?
[03:07] <BockBilbo> sirdanny vete  a #ubuntu-es
[03:07] <socomm> I forget the hack but you can go search on kdelook.org
[03:07] <BockBilbo> thanks socomm
[03:07] <reka> sirdanny: #ubuntu-es
[03:07] <socomm> Search in the gtk section I  believe, there should be something there.
[03:07] <wweasel> anyone? what do i apt-get to get the fix for the firefox bug?
[03:08] <reka> wweasel: what bug do you speak of?
[03:08] <othernoob> is the wine version in the repos stable and works smoothly?
[03:08] <ramblingturtle23> wweasel: just update your system
[03:08] <socomm> othernoob: Works good enough.
[03:08] <othernoob> socomm, define good enough ;)
[03:08] <jtan325> wweasel,
[03:09] <socomm> As good as wine has ever worked.
[03:09] <ateves> how can i get rid of the CDROM icons of the mounted devices on the desktop?
[03:09] <jtan325> the workaround is to do about:config
[03:09] <wweasel> "Ubuntu distributed a new version of Firefox which contains the security fixes from Firefox 1.0.4, however, they did not update the version number"
[03:09] <wweasel> yes?
[03:09] <jtan325> and then
[03:09] <jtan325> filter "vendor"
[03:09] <socomm> ateves: gconf-editor, search volumes icon.
[03:09] <othernoob> socomm, from my experience, that's not very..uh..good
[03:09] <wweasel> ramblingturtle23, i tried that, my system is up to date
[03:09] <jtan325> and the one that says 1.0, change to 1.0.4
[03:09] <othernoob> had major probs with it on fedora core 3
[03:09] <caonex> Seveas, what is the tool to like fsck to check reiserfs?
[03:09] <ramblingturtle23> the is a specific update for the firefox plugin bug
[03:10] <othernoob> even some ppl in #wine couldnt help me there ..
[03:10] <TokenBad> is there a way to tell?
[03:10] <sirdanny> hola alguien habla espaol??
[03:10] <KhaBal> is synaptic working for you guys?
[03:10] <toti> sii
[03:10] <KhaBal> its not showing anything ATM
[03:10] <caonex> sirdanny, S ve al canal #ubuntu-es
[03:10] <socomm> sirdanny: El canal espanol es #ubuntu-es.
[03:11] <caonex> sirdanny: Sabes como entrate a otros canales?
[03:11] <jtan325> just do "/j #ubuntu-es"
[03:11] <wweasel> ramblingturtle23, apparently i can apt-get the proper version. what is the module to apt-get?
[03:11] <ateves> socomm: thanks!
[03:11] <TokenBad> in ubuntu if I want to see how many files are in a dir and all its sub dirs how would I do that?
[03:11] <socomm> ateves: No problem.
[03:11] <jtan325> search for mozilla-firefox
[03:11] <ramblingturtle23> wweasel: this i think will fix it mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[03:11] <someluser> azureus can't access port 6881
[03:11] <someluser> anyone know why?
[03:12] <socomm> Perhaps it's being blocked by your firewall/router.
[03:12] <ramblingturtle23> wweasel: to answer your question 1.0.4
[03:12] <someluser> i don't have one
[03:12] <budluva> you have to forward that port if your behind firewall/router
[03:12] <j_> is there anything that writes microsoft visio files for linux?
[03:12] <CarlFK> I have 2 nics: 3c509 and eepro - how do I make the 3c509 eth0 and eepro eth1?
[03:12] <socomm> Some ISP's may block that port as well.
[03:12] <someluser> it didn't before
[03:13] <socomm> someluser: Just use another port.
[03:13] <someluser> socomm; doesn't azureus need that port for tracker info?
[03:13] <CarlFK> someluser - I would switch to another port - 50630 is a good one
[03:13] <someluser> socomm; ok, thanks
[03:13] <socomm> Nope you can configure it to use another port other than the you just said.
[03:13] <CarlFK> someluser - the .torrent defines what port the tracker is on
[03:14] <CarlFK> (aka, no.)
[03:14] <wweasel> hmm...it says mozilla firefox is already the newest version
[03:14] <ramblingturtle23> wweasel: are you trying to install extensions in firefox
[03:14] <erommer> if i have a script in /etc/cron.monthly that needs the root password to work, how can i make it work ?
[03:14] <socomm> wweasel: I believe there's an entry for this in the wiki.
[03:15] <TokenBad> so no one know?
[03:15] <tiglionabbit> if you want to install addons to firefox, you need to change the version number
[03:15] <socomm> wweasel: Try running a search on your favourite search engine.
[03:15] <tiglionabbit> type about:config into the address bar
[03:15] <someluser> CarlFK; you said to set the incoming tcp listen port to 50630 right?
[03:16] <CarlFK> someluser - yeah - that is todays date... ust as good as any other port
[03:16] <someluser> CarlFK; ok
[03:16] <tiglionabbit> and change the entry general.useragent.VendorSub to 1.0.4
[03:16] <tiglionabbit> you can use the filter field to search for it
[03:16] <Jo3bCoOl> hi... I installed ubuntu from a download file burned to a disk
[03:16] <wweasel> socomm, found it. and the fix. thanks :)
[03:16] <Jo3bCoOl> it didn't let me set a root password
[03:16] <Jo3bCoOl> how do I do that?
[03:16] <tiglionabbit> Jo3bCoOl: you don't need a root password, use sudo
[03:17] <bimberi> CarlFK: Have a look at /etc/iftab and "man iftab"
[03:17] <tiglionabbit> !sudo
[03:17] <ubotu> rumour has it, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:17] <wweasel> ramblingturtle23, no, i was trying to fix the ubuntu firefox bug (https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10681)
[03:17] <lampshade> Jo3bCoOl:  don't worry about it, just use sudo
[03:17] <Jo3bCoOl> hmmmmm
[03:17] <someluser> Jo3bCoOl; sudo passwd root
[03:17] <tiglionabbit> that will set a root password, but you don't need one
[03:17] <someluser> root is yout user password
[03:17] <Jo3bCoOl> O
[03:18] <CarlFK> bimberi thanks
[03:19] <Jo3bCoOl> that didn't work
[03:19] <TovAre> Im disconnected from the internet and need to install the kernel sources to build some network drivers. Is it on the install cd-rom?
[03:19] <Jo3bCoOl> I tried to open a root terminal
[03:20] <wweasel> Jo3bCoOl, have you tried doing: sudo <commands>
[03:20] <someluser> set the root password in a normal terminal first
[03:20] <Quest-Master> Man
[03:20] <Quest-Master> Bluecurve is sexy
[03:20] <wweasel> and then it should ask you for your password, insert your user password
[03:21] <wweasel> jo3bCo0l, on ubuntu the default root password is your user password
[03:21] <Jo3bCoOl> 000783352647
[03:21] <reka> TovAre: you need to install the linux-source package that matches your kernel
[03:21] <someluser> CarlFK; i get a "cannot map incoming peer data" error from the port you gave me
[03:21] <TovAre> reka, do you know where I might find one for the latest ubuntu?
[03:22] <TovAre> 2.6.10-5-386 #1
[03:22] <reka> hmm, how does one go about making a /home partition?  i assume this step would be done during install?
[03:22] <tiglionabbit> doh, ran out of batteries
[03:22] <reka> TovAre: apt-cache search linux-source
[03:22] <tiglionabbit> reka: it makes a home directory for all users automatically
[03:23] <wweasel> reka, yes, that is done during the install
[03:23] <reka> TovAre: looks like you need the 2.6.10 one
[03:23] <Jo3bCoOl> is K available for ubuntu
[03:23] <tiglionabbit> reka: it should be in /home/$user
[03:23] <Jo3bCoOl> I like that better than gnome
[03:23] <tiglionabbit> Jo3bCoOl: yes.  install kubuntu-desktop
[03:23] <TovAre> apt-cache didnt give any results
[03:23] <reka> tiglionabbit: i was told it's better to keep a seperate partition for your home directory so when you reinstall, you can just that.
[03:23] <someluser> CarlFK; i'm getting nat errors from the port you gave me
[03:23] <wweasel> enable universe
[03:23] <reka> *just use that
[03:23] <reka> tiglionabbit: to restore settings etc
[03:24] <bryan> noob here and im havin some major problems... anyone to help?
[03:24] <tiglionabbit> reka: oh, home partition, sorry I misread.  You can do that during the install, yes, or get gparted or qtparted and change your partitions with those
[03:24] <reka> tiglionabbit: hmm, i just had a bad experience with gparted. :)
[03:24] <tiglionabbit> reka: it is indeed something you usually do during install
[03:25] <wweasel> bryan, just ask
[03:25] <tiglionabbit> well, try qtparted?
[03:25] <reka> tiglionabbit: so wouldi just make a partition in the installer?  how do i direct it so it uses it as /home/<user> then?
[03:25] <someluser> can anyone else help me fix azureus?
[03:25] <tiglionabbit> reka: it will know.  Just make it a partition with the mountpoint "/home"
[03:25] <bryan> thanks, sorry... grub screwed up my mbr on xp and i already did a new install there... i can't get it to work
[03:26] <reka> tiglionabbit: thanks.  i'll keep it in mind for my next install.
[03:26] <tiglionabbit> bryan: grub is supposed to write over the mrb.  It will add options to boot both ubuntu and windows on its little menu.
[03:26] <tiglionabbit> s/mrb/mbr
[03:26] <reka> tiglionabbit: but otherwise, could i just backup the entire /home/<user> directory if need be?
[03:26] <CarlFK> someluser - what is the IP of the box you are running az on?
[03:26] <wweasel> bryan, i am not sure. do you mean, you don't get a grub menu on boot?
[03:26] <bryan> i read about that, but it didn't... it won't load anything; it just keeps hanging
[03:27] <someluser> CarlFK; one sec
[03:27] <wweasel> hmm...so you can't boot into anything?
[03:27] <Jo3bCoOl> so kubuntu is a totally different OS than ubuntu?
[03:27] <tiglionabbit> bryan: what do you see when you start up?  Does it have an error number?
[03:27] <tiglionabbit> bryan: perhaps you need to direct your bios to boot from hard drive, rather than CD or something
[03:27] <CarlFK> Jo3bCoOl - it is the same, only different ;)
[03:27] <someluser> CarlFK; 70.32.157.34
[03:27] <tiglionabbit> Jo3bCoOl: it's sort of separate, but they're trying to bring them together
[03:27] <bryan> nope, just hangs... im running xp on hda and trying to run ubuntu on hdb...
[03:28] <reka> Jo3bCoOl: just different window desktop environments afaik
[03:28] <CarlFK> someluser - thats a public IP, so you shouln't be having any problmes
[03:28] <Jo3bCoOl> O
[03:28] <tiglionabbit> Jo3bCoOl: doesn't stop you from installing the packages from both of them simultaneously.  ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop do not fight
[03:28] <someluser> CarlFK; i know
[03:28] <Jo3bCoOl> O
[03:28] <CarlFK> someluser - do you have a 2nd nic, like maybe a wifi card that az is trying to use?
[03:28] <Jo3bCoOl> why can't normal linux people be this helpful
[03:28] <Jo3bCoOl> all I get from the linux channels is RTFM
[03:28] <someluser> no
[03:28] <TovAre> reka you know of any browsable ubuntu package download sites where I might find the kernel source?
[03:28] <tiglionabbit> Jo3bCoOl: that's because linux users are arrogant bastards
[03:29] <bluechild> waz up all
[03:29] <reka> TovAre: packages.ubuntu.com
[03:29] <new2ubuntu> What would be the reason to troubleshoot ubuntu with gnome, rather than just trying kubuntu?
[03:29] <Jo3bCoOl> arrogant is being nice too
[03:29] <bluechild> just switched to linux
[03:29] <reka> TovAre: why not jsut use apt-get/synaptic though?
[03:29] <bluechild> ubuntu kicks ass
[03:29] <bluechild> good stuff...
[03:29] <tiglionabbit> yep
[03:29] <wweasel> tiglionabbit: if you have kde and gnome at the same time, how do you choose between them?
[03:29] <bluechild> my friend lestat gave me the image
[03:29] <Jo3bCoOl> it likes my ATA drive
[03:29] <reka> new2ubuntu: ?
[03:29] <someluser> CarlFK; i removed my other nic and reinstalled ubuntu
[03:29] <Jo3bCoOl> other linux flavors don't
[03:29] <bluechild> ill never go back to xp
[03:29] <tiglionabbit> wweasel: when you're logging in, click on "Sessions"
[03:29] <bluechild> xpcrap
[03:30] <TovAre> reka, I dont have internet on that computer yet. I need to compile the driver first.
[03:30] <wweasel> ah, gives you the choice there?
[03:30] <CarlFK> someluser - did you install any sort of firewall thingy?
[03:30] <reka> TovAre: ah. i guess you know how to install deb packages offline then?
[03:30] <someluser> CarlFK;  guarddog, but it's not running or configured
[03:30] <new2ubuntu> i've done 3 installs with 3 different cd's and I get error after error while trying to start X
[03:30] <Jo3bCoOl> can you burn cd's in linux?
[03:30] <tiglionabbit> wweasel: yup, it will list all of the window managers you have installed, so you can get some more, like xfce4 as well
[03:30] <wweasel> tiglionabbit, i always figured i could have one or the other, so i just stuck with gnome. cool, thanks :)
[03:31] <CarlFK> someluser - even money says that is what is screwing you up.
[03:31] <erommer> Jo3bCoOl: ya
[03:31] <TovAre> reka, Ill figure it out :)
[03:31] <tiglionabbit> wweasel: not only can you have more than one, you can run more than one at a time!  Applications -> System tools -> New Login
[03:31] <reka> new2ubuntu: what sort of errors/problems?
[03:31] <someluser> CarlFK; azureus wasn't working before i installed it
[03:31] <TovAre> i know dpkg --install so far :)
[03:31] <new2ubuntu> I get a 'not configured properly" message
[03:31] <CarlFK> someluser - what problem were you trying to solve by installing garddog?
[03:31] <someluser> CarlFK; none
[03:31] <tiglionabbit> wweasel: it will start the next one on another virtual terminal, control-alt-F8
[03:31] <CarlFK> heh
[03:32] <bryan> is there anywhere i can get a detailed, step-by-step installation guide for ubuntu?
[03:32] <CarlFK> I hate to ask... what else did you install for no reason?
[03:32] <tiglionabbit> there should be
[03:32] <bluechild> bryan your asking alot
[03:32] <bluechild> read a book man
[03:32] <someluser> CarlFK; i don't know
[03:32] <bryan> too poor
[03:32] <new2ubuntu> and I get this message during my first boot of the system after installing
[03:33] <reka> new2ubuntu: can you get to a terminal?
[03:33] <tiglionabbit> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/
[03:33] <new2ubuntu> yes
[03:33] <reka> !fixres
[03:33] <ubotu> [fixres]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:33] <bryan> thanks tiglionabbit
[03:34] <reka> new2ubuntu: go to the link ubotu spat out.  there's a command to reconfigure xorg.
[03:34] <tiglionabbit> new2ubuntu: what does it say isn't configured properly?
[03:35] <new2ubuntu> thanks. Will this allow me to configure the rest of the system? (root password and whatnot)
[03:35] <someluser> CarlFK; i uninstalled guarddog, restarted azureus and it still gives me a nat error
[03:35] <tiglionabbit> new2ubuntu: you don't need a root password.  Use sudo
[03:36] <Fazer> blargh, bored.
[03:36] <tiglionabbit> Fazer: play chromium
[03:36] <new2ubuntu> Ok, thanks. i'm off to do it
[03:37] <Fazer> tiglionabbit: what be that?
[03:37] <tiglionabbit> Fazer: a game for linux, space shooter
[03:37] <tkiesel> Hi all.  I had (yet another) question. My wife and I are about to reformat her old Windows Xp partition. (woo hoo!)  I am uncertain as to the location of GRUB though, and don't want to leave her computer unbootable.
[03:37] <reka> tiglionabbit: that's impossible to beat. :)
[03:37] <reka> chromium that is
[03:37] <leitao> hello, i am having a crucial doubt about top and swap. In my swap header i see that 0 kb of swap is in use, and when i see the swap per process, i saw my Xorg using 83m, what is that?
[03:37] <Fazer> tiglionabbit: ah, hehe, nice.
[03:38] <tiglionabbit> tkiesel: if your bios was made within the last 10 years, grub should properly write over the MBR and display a menu on boot for what OS to run.  You can rezise NTFS partitions, btw, so you could install both OSs at the same time
[03:38] <tiglionabbit> reka: you haven't played nethack, have you?
[03:38] <tkiesel> tiglionabbit: Nice. Well, we're actually just getting rid of her Win Xp partition for the space. She's decided to go Ubuntu 100%.
[03:39] <reka> tkiesel: it's usually on the windows partition iirc.  so yes, you'll wipe it out.  you'll need to reinstall it.
[03:39] <tiglionabbit> tkiesel: have you used linux much before?
[03:39] <wweasel> lol, i did the ctrl shift f8 thing and got lost :P
[03:39] <tkiesel> tiglionabbit: For the last several months, yes.
[03:39] <reka> tiglionabbit: no, i haven't
[03:39] <tkiesel> reka: *nods*  What's the best way to accomplish it if that happens?  Live CD or the install disk perhaps?
[03:40] <tiglionabbit> wweasel: oh sorry.  control-shift-F# switches between your virtual terminals.  The first 6 are text-based, the 7th and up are graphical
[03:40] <tiglionabbit> oh I mean control-alt
[03:40] <tiglionabbit> doh
[03:40] <tiglionabbit> very sorry
[03:40] <Dr_Melectaus> Im starting to love ubuntu :D, and its all thanks to thoreauputic. He is a top bloke
[03:41] <wweasel> tiglionabbit: no problem :) i just got linux and i am having fun learning about it
[03:41] <tiglionabbit> reka: try it.  `telnet nethack.alt.org`.  It's really hard
[03:41] <reka> tkiesel: boot from install cd, type rescue <ENTER>.
[03:41] <tkiesel> reka: Awesome.  That's it?
[03:41] <reka> tkiesel: then when you get to the terminal, type grub-install /dev/hda iirc
[03:41] <Dr_Melectaus> I want thoreauputic's Babies !_!
[03:42] <tiglionabbit> wait a sec, what are you telling tkiesel how to do?
[03:42] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: OK OK -n that's enough !! Please *grin*
[03:42] <tkiesel> tiglionabbit: How to install GRUB if erasing the old win partition destroys it.
[03:42] <reka> tkiesel: i won't gaurantee that will work though.  i recently stuffed up my partitions and got an error 17 from grub
[03:43] <tiglionabbit> tkiesel: what's your current partitioning setup?
[03:43] <reka> i just reinstalled everything
[03:43] <tkiesel> Errr. Lovely.  Maybe I'll back up /boot in case. lol.
[03:43] <IIIEars> !ubotu
[03:43] <ubotu> IIIEars: Wish i knew
[03:43] <IIIEars> !ubuntu
[03:43] <ubotu> ubuntu is, like, http://www.ubuntolinux.org or FAQ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[03:43] <Dr_Melectaus> :D
[03:43] <CarlFK> someluser - I don't think 70.32.157.34 is your ubuntu box
[03:43] <tiglionabbit> typo
[03:43] <tiglionabbit> fix that entry
[03:43] <tiglionabbit> "ubunto" ?
[03:44] <CarlFK> lol
[03:44] <reka> tkiesel: well, i got it from here: http://ubuntuguide.org/#restoregrubmenuafterwindowsinstallation
[03:44] <tkiesel> tiglionabbit: First partition on the disk is primary, contains the old Win XP install.  The rest of the disk is an extended partition that includes the various partitions Ubuntu is using.  swap, /, /home/, and a FAT32 shared part.
[03:45] <thoreauputic> OK, the so-called Real World beckons - see you all later ....
[03:45] <tiglionabbit> tkiesel: okay.  So you're going to delete the windows partition, and then what?
[03:45] <Dr_Melectaus> bye thor
[03:46] <seth> #ubuntu
[03:47] <tkiesel> tiglionabbit: Format it.  reiserfs or maybe ext3.  Space for the wife's files.  The /home partition is getting cramped. ;)
[03:47] <IIIEars> 450 ppl here - Ubuntu must be good only 700 ppl in #debian - :)
[03:47] <tiglionabbit> use ext3
[03:48] <tiglionabbit> you can do this all with gparted, right?
[03:48] <tkiesel> Was planning on it, yes.
[03:48] <tiglionabbit> I don't see how it would affect your booting
[03:48] <seth220993> help?
[03:49] <tkiesel> Hrrrm.  Any way to tell which physical device /boot is on? I don't see it referenced in /etc/fstab] 
[03:49] <tiglionabbit> seth220993: with what?
[03:49] <tkiesel> /etc/fstab that is..
[03:49] <seth220993> I'm trying to install something, and I need the install directory for mozilla firefox
[03:49] <tiglionabbit> mount
[03:49] <seth220993> I'm trying to install flash
[03:49] <tiglionabbit> tkiesel: when you type `mount` does it list it?
[03:50] <reka> tkiesel: sudo fdisk -l
[03:50] <tkiesel> Un momento. Gotta ssh onto the wife's machine to check that.
[03:51] <seth220993>  I'm trying to install something, and I need the install directory for mozilla firefox to install macromedia flash
[03:51] <reka> seth220993: why not just install it from the repo?
[03:51] <seth220993> I'm a definate newb
[03:51] <tkiesel> fdisk -l returns an asterisk under the "Boot" heading for the Windows NTFS partition.  That answers that question I guess? lol.
[03:51] <reka> seth220993: have you enabled multivers/universe?
[03:51] <seth220993> not a clue, but I want to install it in root, to be accessib le by all users
[03:52] <tiglionabbit> seth220993: which mozilla-firefox
[03:52] <seth220993> newest version
[03:52] <seth220993> newly installed everything, nothing's been altered
[03:52] <LinuxNewbie> hello
[03:52] <tiglionabbit> seth220993: who's on first.  lol.  which is a command
[03:52] <reka> seth220993: hehe, no, type that in a terminal
[03:52] <tkiesel> *waves to everyone who's comign in*
[03:53] <seth220993> k
[03:53] <tiglionabbit> seth220993: actually, you'd be better off trying `dpkg -L mozilla-firefox`
[03:53] <benji> I like ubuntu very much :)
[03:53] <LinuxNewbie> can ubuntu like specify the users who will be shared with the internet connection?
[03:53] <tkiesel> Glad to hear it, benji. :)
[03:53] <wshaw> seeking nalioth of houston
[03:53] <LinuxNewbie> is that possible?
[03:54] <tiglionabbit> seth220993: actually, the best way to install flash is to go to a flashed site and click on the puzzle piece that shows up
[03:54] <LinuxNewbie> to specify specific users that will recieve internet connections
[03:54] <tiglionabbit> firefox has a built-in flash installer
[03:54] <CarlFK> LinuxNewbie - huh?
[03:54] <tkiesel> LinuxNewbie:  I think so, but I need more info about your setup.
[03:54] <Sophistication> tiglionabbit, that will require extra fonts or it will fail
[03:54] <LinuxNewbie> can ubuntu do that
[03:54] <seth220993> ok?
[03:54] <tiglionabbit> Sophistication: no it wont, it worked for me and everyone I know
[03:54] <seth220993> I did
[03:54] <ironmc> I'm still having a printer problem I have an HP psc2110 and when I check the driver installation I get this  message The PPD	/usr/share/cups/model/PSC-2110.ppd is already installed - still no printing
[03:54] <geargolem> Question about Nvidia setup.
[03:55] <LinuxNewbie> like i have users, i want only the 3 users will recieve internet connections
[03:55] <Sophistication> tiglionabbit, not if he has updated..
[03:55] <LinuxNewbie> but they are all connected to the network
[03:55] <CarlFK> LinuxNewbie - are you thinking of an internet caffee, where people have to pay to get access?
[03:55] <seth220993> I don't know what to do here
[03:55] <tkiesel> ironmc I've got an HP psc1315.  Have it printing and scanning both in Ubuntu.  Let me find the wiki entry for you. :)
[03:55] <LinuxNewbie> no
[03:55] <seth220993> I dont' know what to do here
[03:55] <LinuxNewbie> i have a server that share internet connection
[03:55] <tiglionabbit> seth220993: updated what?
[03:56] <ironmc> thiessel  thanks
[03:56] <LinuxNewbie> but the thing is if i shared it all of them will have internet connections
[03:56] <alnr> is there a way besides df to see what disk drives ubuntu knows about. I just installed it as a vmware guest,and df doesnt show a raw disk that I defined in the ubuntu vm
[03:56] <LinuxNewbie> i want just specific users to have the internet
[03:56] <twb_> is there a way to clone my windows for free?
[03:56] <LinuxNewbie> and the others dont have it
[03:56] <CarlFK> LinuxNewbie - how is that different than the internet caffee?  (other than they don't pay you)
[03:56] <seth220993> so is there no set install directory? that is ALL I need, and I don't know how to find it
[03:56] <tkiesel> Here you go, ironmc. This shoudl get you set up. :)  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HpPscHpPhotosmartSeriesAllInOnePrinters?highlight=%28print%29
[03:57] <LinuxNewbie> i run a laboratory in i school
[03:57] <ironmc> thiessel thanks again  -  been working on this for a week
[03:57] <tiglionabbit> alnr: mount
[03:57] <twb_> i have a question someone
[03:57] <tiglionabbit> hi again, twb_
[03:57] <twb_> whats up man
[03:57] <tkiesel> No prob ironmc. I was banging my head against the wall about the scanner function. This set it up just right. :)
[03:58] <LinuxNewbie> so i just want to specify who will recieve the internet connections but still the others are connected in the lan
[03:58] <twb_> is there a way i can clone windows of this hd and onto another?
[03:58] <tiglionabbit> seth220993: the directory which your file is installed in can be fonud with dpkg -L mozilla-firefox
[03:58] <tiglionabbit> I mean your program components
[03:58] <LinuxNewbie> yes
[03:58] <LinuxNewbie> there is
[03:58] <LinuxNewbie> user acronis
[03:58] <CarlFK> LinuxNewbie - basicaly, you want the same thing.
[03:58] <seth220993> it says I need to specify
[03:58] <tiglionabbit> twb_: clone windows??
[03:58] <LinuxNewbie> yes
[03:58] <alnr> it didnt mount anything (there are 4 linux partitions including a LVM (2?))
[03:59] <LinuxNewbie> so there is a way?
[03:59] <CarlFK> LinuxNewbie - yes.  many
[03:59] <twb_> yes, i need the windows i have on this hd onto another, but still keep it on this one too...
[03:59] <CarlFK> LinuxNewbie - easiest thing that comes to mind is Squid
[03:59] <LinuxNewbie> ah?
[03:59] <tiglionabbit> twb_: I don't understand that question
[03:59] <LinuxNewbie> so squid can do that?
[03:59] <seth220993> 'need an action option
[03:59] <LinuxNewbie> specify the users
[03:59] <CarlFK> LinuxNewbie - hmm, that will just proxy web trafic... do you need full access, or just web browsing?
[03:59] <seth220993> '
[04:00] <LinuxNewbie> full access
[04:00] <CarlFK> then forget squid.. (i think)
[04:00] <LinuxNewbie> ive tried proxy settings
[04:00] <optiout> Just curious -- What makes ubuntu any better than debian?
[04:00] <seth220993> the attitude
[04:00] <tiglionabbit> optiout: easeir to use
[04:00] <tiglionabbit> *easier
[04:00] <nomasteryoda|w> easy as hell to install
[04:00] <nomasteryoda|w> and easy to maintain
[04:01] <seth220993> the philosophy, and the ease of use and user-friendliness
[04:01] <tiglionabbit> oh, and newer packages
[04:01] <nomasteryoda|w> =)
[04:01] <CarlFK> the people make it better
[04:01] <seth220993> yeah
[04:01] <tkiesel> tiglionabbit and reka:  Here's my plan. Format the partition and reinstall GRUB from the rescue terminal of the install CD, then copy over the existing grub menu to the new boot partition.  Good idea? Bad?
[04:01] <tiglionabbit> tkiesel: any reason you need a boot partition now, but didn't before?
[04:01] <LinuxNewbie> got another question, what is the best linux for users restrictions
[04:01] <optiout> so the anaconda-like installer, and the newer apt releases is the reason that you are better than debian?
[04:02] <b_e_n_z> there's no anaconda like installer
[04:02] <nomasteryoda|w> comparison: suse kernel - current  2.6.11.4-21.7  and ... ubuntu kernel 2.6.12-3-386 i'm using
[04:02] <LinuxNewbie> like you can restric the use of yahoo, or chat software
[04:02] <tkiesel> tiglionabbit: There's a boot partition. It's just housed in the Windows partition we're going to destroy.
[04:02] <nomasteryoda|w> very nice
[04:02] <optiout> o -- I assumed there was, since they said it was easier than debian
[04:02] <seth220993> anyway, the dpkg L mozilla-firefox command, it says I need an action option
[04:02] <CarlFK> LinuxNewbie - I think you need to browse sf.net ...  I was looking for something like this about 6 months ago, there are about 50 relevent projects
[04:02] <tiglionabbit> optiout: ubuntu has regular releases and upgrades, so it wont get 3 years behind like debian does.  We are nice people, and try and make things easy to use
[04:02] <Dr_Melectaus> I got online with ubuntu and i use AOHell :D
[04:02] <tkiesel> tiglionabbit: So the short answer to your question is that there was a boot partition before. lol
[04:03] <LinuxNewbie> what is the best linux version for user restrictions
[04:03] <tiglionabbit> tkiesel: oh
[04:03] <nomasteryoda|w> Dr_Melectaus, where did you find the package???
[04:03] <tiglionabbit> tkiesel: then why do you need to change anything?  lol sorry I'm not being very helpful..
[04:03] <optiout> meh -- I hate debian -- I think the whole newer releases is a huge step forward, but it still seems iffy  :\
[04:03] <nomasteryoda|w> Dr_Melectaus, for aohell?
[04:03] <reka> optiout: what distro are you using?
[04:03] <_unome> Dr_Melectaus: steve case must proud of you :D
[04:03] <optiout> gentoo and slack
[04:03] <nomasteryoda|w> heck, i'm proud
[04:03] <tkiesel> tiglionabbit: Because the existing boot partition is about to be eradicated when we format that part of the drive, and my wife needs a bootable computer.  lmao.
[04:03] <nomasteryoda|w> lol
[04:03] <Dr_Melectaus> nomasteryoda, im not useing a package, I bridged the connection from a windows machine that dials into aol without useing there bloatware
[04:04] <nomasteryoda|w> ah, ok
[04:04] <Dr_Melectaus> _unome,  steve case? who is he
[04:04] <_unome> Dr_Melectaus: ask someone on AOL.
[04:04] <LinuxNewbie> the owner of AOL
[04:04] <Dr_Melectaus> ahhh
[04:04] <Dr_Melectaus> he is a propper bellend then
[04:04] <LinuxNewbie> yeah
[04:04] <LinuxNewbie> very...
[04:04] <nomasteryoda|w> well, I introduced an Idea to the fools, er nice people over at Linspire ... that they and netzero need to release their little deb package so people can get cheap nationwide access
[04:04] <Dr_Melectaus> i would quite happily fart in his general direction
[04:04] <optiout> thanks guys
[04:05] <LinuxNewbie> hey dr...
[04:05] <nomasteryoda|w> i'm still waiting on an update from them
[04:05] <LinuxNewbie> can i ask some question
[04:05] <Dr_Melectaus> yes LinuxNewbie ?
[04:05] <nomasteryoda|w> and there is the aol dialer package for linux
[04:05] <smack> no!
[04:05] <smack> ;D
[04:05] <LinuxNewbie> what is the best linux version that you tried
[04:05] <Dr_Melectaus> uhm. i just started useing ubuntu 2 days ago so i may not be able to answer as well as the others
[04:05] <LinuxNewbie> when it comes to user restrictions
[04:05] <smack> LinuxNewbie: I bet everyone has a different answer to thtat.
[04:05] <seth220993> I say ubuntu
[04:05] <seth220993> tried suse and mandrake
[04:06] <smack> LinuxNewbie: also, by linux do you mean the kernel or do you mean distrobution?
[04:06] <Dr_Melectaus> LinuxNewbie, if your talking about user freindlyness, and ease of use. Ubuntu ;)
[04:06] <seth220993> love love love ubuntu, minimalist and beautiful
[04:06] <othernoob> LinuxNewbie: LFS
[04:06] <tiglionabbit> LinuxNewbie: what sort of restrictions do you want to ..   lol, I don't grade a distro by what it restricts me from doing
[04:06] <Dr_Melectaus> restrictions? pfft. God knows
[04:06] <LinuxNewbie> well i just like the basic restrictions
[04:06] <Dr_Melectaus> if you want to feel restriced use dows </crap joke>
[04:06] <tiglionabbit> LinuxNewbie: Oh I know, NO distro!  Then you can't do anything!
[04:07] <smack> I grade a distro by what the default wallpaper is when you first login.. luckily ubuntu ditched the hugging people.
[04:07] <LinuxNewbie> hahaha...
[04:07] <jasoncohen> i have KDE 3.4.1 installed from kubuntu sources. when i try to install kdemultimedia-dev i get errors saying that the 3.4.0 version of akode, kdelibs4-dev, artsbuilder, kdemultimedia-kio-plugins, kmix, kscd, and libkcddb1 are needed but apt-cache show kdemultimedia-dev shows that the 3.4.1 versions are dependencies of kdemultimedia-dev 3.4.1-10ubuntu0hoary1
[04:07] <tiglionabbit> smack: lol, that's a pretty bad criteria
[04:07] <CarlFK> LinuxNewbie - check out http://linus.yhspatriot.net/cs/docs/ubuntu_howto/UbuntuLTSPInstall
[04:07] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: do you think the question was, which distro has the most restrictions...or least?
[04:07] <reka> jasoncohen: have you joined #kubuntu yet?
[04:07] <jasoncohen> good idea, heh
[04:07] <tiglionabbit> othernoob: he wants to restrict his users from doing things, like using the internet...
[04:08] <LinuxNewbie> well the restiction that users can use the internet on specific times
[04:08] <smack> LinuxNewbie: I'm a fan of debian based distrobutions. Ubuntu ranks #1 for a debian based desktop distrobution. But to each his own.
[04:08] <LinuxNewbie> and some can
[04:08] <smack> ranks #1 for me that is ;)
[04:08] <hastalavista> hi
[04:08] <CarlFK> LinuxNewbie - somewhere areound there it talks about systems like what you are kinda talking about
[04:08] <LinuxNewbie> im a windows server users
[04:08] <LinuxNewbie> user i mean
[04:08] <othernoob> ah okay, i didnt follow the whole convo
[04:08] <LinuxNewbie> but i can find anything to restrict the internet
[04:08] <CarlFK> LinuxNewbie - I think you need to document what you are really trying to achieve
[04:08] <LinuxNewbie> when my students are log in
[04:09] <b_e_n_z> when Steven Ballmer said .NET and SQL Servers are doommed, you better start replacing your windows servers
[04:09] <smack> LinuxNewbie: your probably familiar with vmware then. I suggest you install a couple different ones and play with them. ;)
[04:09] <hastalavista> i'm brazilian and need help with mysql + phpmyadmin in hoary. . .
[04:09] <seth220993> could I get this last answer? in dpkg L mozilla-firefox, what do I do next?
[04:09] <LinuxNewbie> well when you use those thinds
[04:09] <LinuxNewbie> things i mean
[04:09] <LinuxNewbie> u wil use a proxy setting
[04:09] <tiglionabbit> seth220993: what?  "IN"?  No, it's dpkg -L mozilla-firefox
[04:10] <TokenBad> in ubuntu if I want to see how many files are in a dir and all its sub dirs how would I do that?
[04:10] <tiglionabbit> seth220993: dpkg is the Debian PacKaGe manager, -L is the option for List, and mozilla-firefox is the argument for it
[04:10] <seth220993> then what, I get a blank
[04:10] <tiglionabbit> seth220993: you shouldn't get a blank if you typed it write
[04:11] <tiglionabbit> if you typed it right and have firefox installed, you should get several hundred lines of files
[04:11] <seth220993> k, got a lot of them
[04:11] <seth220993> yeah
[04:11] <seth220993> took a bit
[04:11] <tiglionabbit> 500 lines, woo
[04:11] <seth220993> so which one?
[04:12] <tiglionabbit> well, look through them for what looks like a firefox directory
[04:12] <tiglionabbit> your flash installer should give a good example
[04:12] <tiglionabbit> I'm pretty sure you can install flash directry through firefox though-- have you tried that?  Go to newgrounds.com or somewhere else with flash, and click on a puzzle piece
[04:12] <tkiesel> tiglionabbit: Okay. I just checked out her GRUB menu.lst. The Grub root is referring to (hd0,1) Which is the second partition on her first hard drive. That's her current Ubuntu /, meanign that I'm nto going to be wiping out any kernels here.  Thanks for the help!
[04:13] <LinuxNewbie> hey guys
[04:13] <LinuxNewbie> have you tried red hat
[04:13] <LinuxNewbie> is that anygood?
[04:13] <seth220993> alright, thanks very much, if I need help I'll come back, very grateful
[04:13] <seth220993> :)
[04:13] <LinuxNewbie> im downloading it right now
[04:13] <tiglionabbit> LinuxNewbie: red hat sucks.  I'd say try Fedora instead
[04:13] <LinuxNewbie> ah?
[04:13] <tiglionabbit> I have not used Fedora, but I hated red hat a lot
[04:13] <Fazer> So, how's everyone tonight?
[04:13] <LinuxNewbie> so how about mandrake?
[04:13] <reka> tiglionabbit: apparently fedora sucks too
[04:14] <LinuxNewbie> is mandrake anygood?
[04:14] <reka> LinuxNewbie: from what i've heard, all rpm based distros are problematic with dependencies
[04:14] <CarlFK> LinuxNewbie - none of the popular distros are going to even come close to what you seem to be looking for
[04:14] <tiglionabbit> reka: oh.  Maybe mandrake then.  Whatever.  I like deb distros best anyway, heheh.  I'll go from here to gentoo, no need to return to rpm hell
[04:14] <reka> but those opinions came from people in here though :)
[04:14] <smack> reka: 1997 called and they want their generalization back.
[04:14] <reka> tiglionabbit: i completely agree.  deb all the way. :)
[04:14] <tiglionabbit> reka: I thought Fedora's YUM was supposed to solve that problem
[04:15] <LinuxNewbie> thats why im open to suggestions
[04:15] <concept10> I used fedora for a year
[04:15] <reka> smack: well, it wasn't *my* generalization.
[04:15] <CarlFK> LinuxNewbie - hows that documention coming?
[04:15] <reka> tiglionabbit: apparently it still has problems
[04:15] <concept10> yum is good but doesnt stackup well against APT
[04:15] <smack> reka: :D
[04:16] <LinuxNewbie> well basically ive search the internet for what im looking for
[04:16] <LinuxNewbie> ive found nothing
[04:16] <smack> LinuxNewbie: are you intending to experiment with desktop stuff or server stuff?
[04:16] <tiglionabbit> LinuxNewbie: then you're not being specific enough.  And what you want can probably be accomplished with scripts
[04:17] <CarlFK> LinuxNewbie - you must have skipped sf.net in your search
[04:17] <arentie> how do i make an uninstall of the ndiswrapper?
[04:17] <tiglionabbit> arentie: did you install it using apt/synaptic?  if so, just remove it using them
[04:18] <concept10> reka, tiglionabbit: yum solves alot of dependency problems but some of the problems are inside rpm
[04:18] <ookii> so what is the theory for installing new cards in linux, install the ati card first then get the drivers, or somehow install the drivers first and then stick in the card?
[04:18] <Ravarin> help
[04:18] <concept10> ookii, first way
[04:18] <LinuxNewbie> so here it is, i have a server right to share the internet connection, then i have users, which are my students, and some users that are faculty, then here is want i want, i want to restict the internet connection of stundent and still they are connected to lan, but the faculty can access the internet will full access
[04:18] <CarlFK> LinuxNewbie - document what you need, then /join #iptables
[04:18] <ookii> concept10: ha ok, thanks
[04:19] <Ravarin> \?
[04:19] <CarlFK> LinuxNewbie - put that on a web page and be prepared to add to it - you are about 1/4 done
[04:19] <arentie> no I created it using the following compiling: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[04:19] <LinuxNewbie> when you do that, they will be identify using the IP's
[04:19] <CarlFK> so it is Users or Machies that you are trying to manage?
[04:19] <LinuxNewbie> yes
[04:19] <LinuxNewbie> exactly
[04:19] <concept10> LinuxNewbie, you can close outgoing port 80 for internet
[04:20] <CarlFK> users have an anoying habbit of waking around
[04:20] <waterseven> (Hi there... does anyone knows where is the template where the menu item 'Add/remove programs' and the application itself can be translated?)
[04:20] <LinuxNewbie> for users?
[04:21] <LinuxNewbie> can i specify which users can be close
[04:21] <concept10> LinuxNewbie, yes
[04:21] <LinuxNewbie> outgoing port 80
[04:21] <CarlFK> LinuxNewbie - look in sf.net again.  what you want is there - it may just take some searching to find it
[04:21] <LinuxNewbie> ok
[04:21] <CarlFK> LinuxNewbie - and stop calling machiens users
[04:21] <concept10> LinuxNewbie, actually not users, a specific machine
[04:21] <CarlFK> what did the machine ever do to you to deserve being called a user
[04:21] <CarlFK> ;)
[04:21] <tiglionabbit> waterseven: 'the template'?
[04:22] <LinuxNewbie> hahaha..
[04:22] <concept10> Although there maybe solutions available to restrict users
[04:22] <arentie> is there something that does the opposite of the command "make deb"?
[04:22] <tiglionabbit> arentie: what you want to do is dpkg -r and the names of the packages
[04:22] <CarlFK> concept10 - yeah, but user based is way harder than mac
[04:23] <waterseven> (the Hoary template where I can find the strings that translate those specific things I mentioned)
[04:23] <tiglionabbit> I mean no, that's wrong
[04:23] <waterseven> (in Rosetta... launchpad.ubuntu.com)
[04:23] <concept10> CarlFK, I understand that.  I just said it maybe possible
[04:23] <tiglionabbit> arentie: the thing you want to undo is dpkg -i.  Let me read the manual
[04:23] <tiglionabbit> (you can to, man dpkg)
[04:23] <CarlFK> concept10 - although no matter how may proposals get apporved, as soon as the thing goes up, some teach is going to want to sit at a student's box and get to the net
[04:24] <LinuxNewbie> thats why
[04:24] <tiglionabbit> oh yes, I was right the first time.  dpkg -r and the packages
[04:24] <LinuxNewbie> i want the students usernames to be restrict
[04:24] <arentie> So, instead of dpkg -r, I want dpkg -i?
[04:24] <LinuxNewbie> not the machine
[04:24] <tiglionabbit> arentie: yes
[04:24] <tiglionabbit> arentie: you'll want to use the name it installs as, when it says "selecting previously deselected package _________", not the file name
[04:24] <CarlFK> LinuxNewbie - make up you mind, document it, have it handy for people to read....
[04:25] <arentie> Ok, so the package is Ndiswrapper...is that what I use?
[04:25] <CarlFK> LinuxNewbie - your project is a bit too complex to describe in a few IRC lines
[04:25] <LinuxNewbie> the users
[04:25] <LinuxNewbie> the students usernames
[04:26] <LinuxNewbie> that is i want to restrict
[04:26] <LinuxNewbie> that is all i want
[04:26] <LinuxNewbie> nothing more
[04:28] <nxvl> hi
[04:28] <waterseven> (Anyone here that does translations? )
[04:28] <nxvl> how can i download windows-codecs to see mi windows videos on linux? there was a package i don't remember his name
[04:29] <nalioth> nxvl: w32codecs
[04:29] <nxvl> thnx u
[04:29] <nalioth> nxvl: or you can go to www.mplayerhq.hu  and d/l the "essential pack"
[04:30] <nxvl> nxvl@Marvin:~$ apt-cache search w32codecs
[04:30] <nxvl> nxvl@Marvin:~$
[04:30] <tiglionabbit> nxvl: you need to enable the universe repository
[04:31] <tiglionabbit> and restricted
[04:31] <tiglionabbit> uncomment things in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:31] <nxvl> restricted is the one i didn't have
[04:31] <arentie> what does the following command do? sed -e "s/misc/kernel\/drivers\/net\/ndiswrapper/g" debian/rules > debian/temp
[04:31] <nalioths_dog> nxvl: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[04:31] <nalioths_dog> nxvl: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:32] <tiglionabbit> arentie: that is stream editor, and I don't know how it works, but it is witing something from /debian/rules over the file debian/temp
[04:32] <CarlFK> closest I can find is avifile-win32-plugin - but I don't think that is it
[04:32] <tiglionabbit> CarlFK: what you looking for?
[04:33] <jasoncohen> there was no reponse in #kubuntu but i figured out the problem. apt-get is trying to install kdelibs4-dev from hoary rather than the kubuntu source and that conflicts against the 3.4.1 packages i have installed. i don't know why it's using hoary's packages though.
[04:33] <jasoncohen> apt-get install kdelibs4-dev=3.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1 complains that it can't be found
[04:33] <CarlFK> tiglionabbit - trying to help nxvl
[04:33] <jasoncohen> but it shows in apt-cache show kdelibs4-dev
[04:33] <nxvl> it still say there is no such package
[04:34] <nxvl> nxvl@Marvin:~$ bajar w32codecs
[04:34] <nxvl> Reading package lists... Done
[04:34] <nxvl> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:34] <nxvl> Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:34] <nxvl> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:34] <nxvl> is only available from another source
[04:34] <tiglionabbit> CarlFK: the package is indeed called w32codecs
[04:34] <tiglionabbit> nxvl: read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats .  It details it there
[04:35] <Dr_Melectaus> Could someone help me, im wanting to install an edimax ew-7108pcg wifi card
[04:37] <misfit_toy> is there a GUI for starting , stopping , changing system services in ubuntu?
[04:37] <Dr_Melectaus> Could someone help me, im wanting to install an edimax ew-7108pcg wifi card ??
[04:37] <misfit_toy> I know FC has one, but what about Ubuntu?
[04:37] <calc> easiest to just uninstall the services that shouldn't be running
[04:38] <misfit_toy> calc, no, because I might want one later
[04:38] <calc> its not terribly hard to reinstall later either ;)
[04:38] <misfit_toy> so my guess is there isn't one huh?
[04:38] <calc> there might be some gnome sys tool thing that does it
[04:38] <PTK> nxvl, are you using the 64 bit distribution by any chance?
[04:38] <nxvl> nalioth: i know how to use apt, i was a Debian user
[04:39] <misfit_toy> calc, in FC it's system-config-services
[04:39] <calc> but other than that most people using debian/ubuntu just don't install unneeded services
[04:39] <nxvl> PTK: nop, im using i386
[04:39] <misfit_toy> calc, but ubuntu installed a few I don't want running *all the time* and I'd like to be able to control that.
[04:40] <misfit_toy> I see, there is no such thing, bummer.
[04:40] <calc> hmm i don't see any non-essential ones running on my box
[04:40] <calc> misfit_toy: which ones in particular?
[04:40] <misfit_toy> calc, that is beside the question, I"m asking if there is a gui for service controls....if there is none then that's fine.
[04:41] <calc> well you said that it installed by default some services that you didn't want running so i was just trying to figure out what those could possibly be :)
[04:41] <calc> since on my box at least all that is running that might be non-essential is gdm
[04:41] <misfit_toy> calc, but my question was 'is there a gui to control services'
[04:41] <calc> misfit_toy: i'm not at my ubuntu box so i can't check, sorry
[04:42] <misfit_toy> calc, thanks
[04:42] <PTK> mkintry gives a warning -- cpio:   /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x0000002a95556000): No such file or directory and produces a useles image <--- anyone know why that happens when the file exists?
[04:42] <PTK> mkinitrd even
[04:42] <misfit_toy> PTK, at first I thought it said 'ministry' lol
[04:42] <calc> there is a runlevel configuration for gnome-system-tools which is installed on ubuntu so it might do it for you
[04:42] <misfit_toy> PTK, I thought your box was born again.
[04:42] <Grunt> Dr_Melectaus: or I can just join in here, because I know I'll mess something up somewhere ;)
[04:42] <PTK> lol
[04:43] <misfit_toy> calc, cli?
[04:43] <Dr_Melectaus> oh hi Grunt
[04:43] <Hackmo> Hey all
[04:43] <Dr_Melectaus> lol
[04:43] <misfit_toy> hmm
[04:43] <Dr_Melectaus> yea thanks
[04:43] <Hackmo> has anyone installed beneath a steel sky?
[04:43] <calc> misfit_toy: gnome system tools obviously is a gnome program... which is GUI
[04:43] <calc> :)
[04:43] <Hackmo> or know how to start it..?
[04:43] <Grunt> right, so we were going to set you up with an ndiswrapper-utils package
[04:43] <calc> misfit_toy: there is a cli tool to do it as well besides the obvious remove symlink
[04:43] <Dr_Melectaus> Grunt, im a bit of a n00b so go easy on me
[04:43] <misfit_toy> calc, I understand that but I thought you meant it was a cli under gnome...sorry for the misunderstanding
[04:44] <Grunt> ..there should already be a copy on your computer, so
[04:44] <Grunt> open up a root terminal and type "apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils"
[04:44] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[04:44] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[04:44] <calc> iirc the cli tool is update-rc.d
[04:45] <misfit_toy> Grunt, make sure you don't install ndiswrapper with apt-get, it's not the latest and doesn't work with all cards. I ran into that this week.
[04:45] <Dr_Melectaus> ok its installed Grunt
[04:45] <CVirus> guys i've got partitions C,D,E,F,G and my windows partition is D ... and my  C is 7 gigas .. so i installed ubuntu on it but i didnt find windows in my boot loader ... tip please ?
[04:45] <Grunt> misfit_toy, you seem to have more experience at this than I do, in that case
[04:45] <Grunt> misfit_toy, Dr_Melectaus needs some help setting up ndiswrapper with his network card
[04:46] <Dr_Melectaus> O_o
[04:46] <fundle> can someone tell me how to mount a remote xp drive?
[04:46] <Grunt> Dr_Melecatus: well, while we figure out who's going to be helping you, go find the driver CD that came with the network card
[04:46] <Dr_Melectaus> Grunt,  just continue man, i trust you
[04:46] <Grunt> 'k
[04:46] <misfit_toy> Grunt, I'll shut up
[04:47] <Dr_Melectaus> i have it right next to me Grunt
[04:47] <Travis|H> i am trying to setup my system to watch television via a local network stream .. at first I thought I would try out NSV (Nullsoft Video) but NSV seems to crash the hell out of mplayer. So instead I went with windows media encoder. It streams fine to my other Windows based PC's but I can't get mplayer to open that either. Is there some trick to getting streaming video to work with Mplayer?
[04:47] <misfit_toy> Grunt, just wanted to point that out
[04:47] <rob^> has anyone else had problems burning dvds in breezy, even with growisofs
[04:47] <Grunt> misfit_toy: feel free to chime in at any point in time - I much prefer doing this sitting in front of my own computer
[04:47] <bimberi> fundle: Try to connect to it via Places -> Network Servers
[04:47] <misfit_toy> Grunt, what wifi nic are we doing here?
[04:47] <CVirus> guys i've got partitions C,D,E,F,G and my windows partition is D ... and my  C is 7 gigas .. so i installed ubuntu on it but i didnt find windows in my boot loader ... tip please ?
[04:47] <Grunt> let's see..
[04:47] <Grunt> misfit_toy: <Dr_Melectaus> Could someone help me, im wanting to install an edimax ew-7108pcg wifi card on ubuntu
[04:48] <Dr_Melectaus>  an edimax ew-7108pcg wifi
[04:48] <Grunt> Dr_Melectaus, ok, put the CD in
[04:48] <Dr_Melectaus> k
[04:48] <Dr_Melectaus> tisin
[04:48] <Dr_Melectaus> tis in
[04:48] <Dr_Melectaus> **
[04:48] <Grunt> look on the CD
[04:48] <Dr_Melectaus> kk
[04:48] <Grunt> you want to find a *.inf file
[04:48] <Grunt> once you find it
[04:48] <Grunt> er, wait, there might be more than one *.inf file.
[04:48] <Grunt> hm
[04:48] <tigliona1bit> oops, pulled my cord out
[04:48] <tigliona1bit> .
[04:49] <fundle> bimberi: trying that
[04:49] <misfit_toy> Dr_Melectaus, there will be some folders, find the w2k or wxp folder, the files are there
[04:49] <Grunt> thanks, misfit_toy.
[04:49] <misfit_toy> w2k usually works better
[04:49] <Travis|H> i am streaming via windows media encoder, and on my Windoze based PC I simply point my WMP @ http://192.168.2.xxx:5199 and it opens up the video stream and plays it. When I try to do the same with Mplayer, it simply says "Unable to open URL"
[04:49] <Grunt> In any case, once you find the right driver, go to a root terminal and run "ndiswrapper -i /media/cdrom/path/to/the/*.inf
[04:49] <Grunt> "
[04:49] <fundle> bimberi: can i mount it that way too ?
[04:50] <CVirus> guys .. no one gonna help me ?
[04:50] <sobralense> is there any way to install "transcode" package using the stable sources?
[04:50] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[04:50] <Dr_Melectaus> got them
[04:50] <Grunt> Dr_Melectaus: did you see my last line?
[04:50] <bimberi> fundle: oh ok - misunderstood your q.  Not sure.
[04:51] <fundle> bimberi: I think i'm good from here
[04:51] <fundle> tkns
[04:51] <Dr_Melectaus> nope
[04:51] <Dr_Melectaus> shit, ill need to have a better look. it containes multiple drivers for diff cards
[04:51] <Dr_Melectaus> need to find the specific one
[04:52] <Grunt> I don't think it would hurt to install more than one
[04:52] <Dr_Melectaus> right got it grunt
[04:52] <Grunt> k
[04:52] <Grunt> Did you run the "ndiswrapper -i ..." from a root terminal?
[04:52] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[04:52] <Quest-Master> Travis|H: http://www.videolan.org
[04:52] <Dr_Melectaus> uhm not yet
[04:52] <Dr_Melectaus> ill try now grunt
[04:53] <Grunt> "ndiswrapper -i /media/cdrom/path/to/the/*.inf"
[04:53] <Dr_Melectaus> did you say win2k xp or 9x works better?
[04:53] <Grunt> 2k
[04:53] <Dr_Melectaus> k
[04:54] <Dr_Melectaus> to the folder than containes the 3 files or to a certain file in the folder
[04:54] <Grunt> to the *.inf in that folder
[04:54] <Dr_Melectaus> .cat .inf .sys
[04:54] <Dr_Melectaus> k
[04:54] <Grunt> done?
[04:55] <CVirus> Grunt: i've got partitions C,D,E,F,G and my windows partition is D ... and my  C is 7 gigas .. so i installed ubuntu on it but i didnt find windows in my boot loader ... tip please ?
[04:55] <Travis|H> Quest. i'll give that a shot
[04:56] <Grunt> CVirus: I've never had any reason to attempt a dual boot, so can't help you.  Sorry. :/
[04:57] <CVirus> thanks
[04:57] <CVirus> guys anybody got experience with dual boot ?
[04:57] <Grunt> Dr_Melectaus: you still with us?
[04:57] <Dr_Melectaus> jesus
[04:57] <_unome> No new emails in any folders matching 'inbox'
[04:57] <Dr_Melectaus> its saying its not the right path
[04:58] <tiglionabbit> CVirus: me
[04:58] <CVirus> tiglionabbit: got my question ?
[04:58] <Grunt> Dr_Melectaus: what's the exact message it's saying?
[04:59] <Travis|H> VLC sits there
[04:59] <tiglionabbit> CVirus: generally windows's main components are installed to the drive it calls C.  You may have deleted windows!
[04:59] <Dr_Melectaus> fuck, i closed the terminal
[04:59] <Grunt> (keep in mind that things need to be case sensitive in the console!)
[04:59] <Travis|H> it doesn't play a stream =/
[04:59] <pschulz01> Greetings.. how do I set environment variables so they take effect pemanently.
[04:59] <CVirus> tiglionabbit: LOL ... no dont worry .. its on my D
[05:00] <tiglionabbit> CVirus: well, when I installed ubuntu, it detected windows properly and added it to my menu.lst.  Anyway, now that you're using linux, you should use linux terminology for your volumes
[05:00] <Grunt> Dr_Melectaus: so open up another one and try, try again ;-)
[05:00] <PTK> pschulz01, how permanently?
[05:00] <tiglionabbit> CVirus: can you tell me what linux calls them, like hda1 and such?
[05:00] <pschulz01> PTX: restart machine... ed. EDITOR
[05:00] <misfit_toy> bbl
[05:00] <pschulz01> PTX: restart machine... eg. EDITOR
[05:01] <CVirus> tiglionabbit: actually its not my pc which is having dis problem and i forgot to check for those info in /proc
[05:01] <CVirus> tiglionabbit: i just want to add windows to grub menu
[05:01] <NeoGeo64> lol wikipedia has a simple english section now
[05:01] <Dr_Melectaus> Grunt, ndiswrapper -i /media/cdrom0/Drivers/EW-7108PCg/Win2K/Rt2500.INF rt2500 is already installed. Use -e to remove it
[05:01] <Dr_Melectaus> thats what i got
[05:01] <Grunt> ah!
[05:01] <Grunt> ok
[05:01] <NeoGeo64> http://simple.wikipedia.org
[05:01] <Grunt> You already succeeded, then :-)
[05:01] <Dr_Melectaus> ohh
[05:01] <tiglionabbit> CVirus: your physical hard drives are called a, b, c, etc.  The partitions on them are 1 2 3 etc counting from the start
[05:01] <Dr_Melectaus> So
[05:01] <Grunt> right then
[05:01] <Grunt> let's see if that worked
[05:02] <Grunt> we're going to step you through a one-time runthrough and if that works we'll show you how to set it up across reboots :)
[05:02] <Grunt> still have that root terminal open?
[05:02] <Dr_Melectaus> yes
[05:02] <Grunt> ok
[05:02] <Grunt> do "modprobe ndiswrapper"
[05:02] <tiglionabbit> CVirus: are you asking me how to configure /boot/grub/menu.lst properly for windows to be selectable?
[05:02] <CVirus> tiglionabbit: yup
[05:02] <pschulz01> I can put environent variables in ~/.bash_profile but this doesn't seem to do the trick
[05:02] <PTK> pschulz01, if you only need it when you're using a shell add export EDITOR='whatever' in your $HOME/.bashrc
[05:03] <digitalfox> why doesn't audio work in flash?
[05:03] <pschulz01> PTK: What about if I run something from the desktop?
[05:03] <jtan325> pschulz01, .bash_profile only gets exectued if you log in from the command line
[05:03] <tiglionabbit> CVirus: first you need to know what partition it is on.  Is it on the first partition of your primary hard drive?
[05:03] <Dr_Melectaus> Grunt, is anything meant to come up after it?
[05:03] <Grunt> Dr_Melectaus, no
[05:03] <pschulz01> jtam325: thanks. That would explain that one.
[05:04] <Grunt> you do, however, have a wlan0 interface now
[05:04] <Grunt> so
[05:04] <Dr_Melectaus> k then it worked :P
[05:04] <tiglionabbit> CVirus: join #flood
[05:04] <CVirus> tiglionabbit: the first 7 gigas of space which was C is no linux ... then D is winblows
[05:04] <Grunt> do "iwconfig wlan0 essid (essid_of_network)"
[05:04] <PTK> pschulz01, I'm not sure I'll look into it.. someone else might know though
[05:04] <Grunt> If you don't know the essid, do "iwlist wlan0 scan"
[05:04] <Dr_Melectaus> i dont have a home wifi network unfortunatly, its just for wardriveing
[05:04] <Grunt> oh!
[05:04] <Grunt> ok
[05:04] <Dr_Melectaus> lol
[05:05] <Grunt> well then, do the latter and see if there's any wifi networks in the vicinity :)
[05:05] <Grunt> while you're at it...
[05:05] <Dr_Melectaus> :)
[05:05] <Grunt> do "ndiswrapper -m"
[05:05] <pschulz01> PTK, jtan325: eg. I want to launch tkcvs from icon or the menu, and would like to have CVSROOT set.
[05:05] <Grunt> (that'll keep wlan0's existence across reboots)
[05:05] <jtan325> pschulz01, i think .bashrc does the trick
[05:05] <jtan325> at least it works for me
[05:05] <Dr_Melectaus> Adding "alias wlan0 ndiswrapper" to /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper
[05:05] <bimberi> CVirus: Paste the output of "sudo fdisk -l" to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[05:06] <Grunt> Dr_Melectaus, you now have a working wireless interface :)
[05:06] <Dr_Melectaus> sweet
[05:06] <jtan325> pschulz01, .bashrc gets executed when you log in through the graphical login
[05:06] <CVirus> bimberi: tiglionabbit managed to help me :)    thanks fella
[05:06] <Dr_Melectaus> grunt, is there any apps i can get that will give me a GUI ?
[05:06] <Grunt> it occurs to me that you'll probably need to edit /etc/network,
[05:06] <bimberi> k
[05:06] <jtan325> alternatively, there's a .gnome file somewhere
[05:06] <jtan325> but i stick to .bashr
[05:06] <jtan325> c
[05:06] <Grunt> Dr_Melectaus, I don't know of any, but I'm sure the people in here do :-)
[05:06] <pschulz01> jtan325: thanks.
[05:06] <Dr_Melectaus> ok man thanks ;)
[05:07] <Grunt> incidentally, did you find any wireless networks with a scan? ;-)
[05:07] <Dr_Melectaus> what about airsnort?
[05:07] <Dr_Melectaus> does anyone know of a GUI i can get for my gfx card?
[05:07] <macrain> hello
[05:07] <Grunt> ..wifi card, wasn't it? :)
[05:07] <CarlFK> Dr_Melectaus for wifi look for wifi-radar
[05:07] <Dr_Melectaus> does anyone know of a GUI i can get for my wif** card?
[05:07] <Dr_Melectaus> O_o
[05:08] <Dr_Melectaus> cheers CarlFK
[05:08] <Dr_Melectaus> yes Grunt thanks lol :P
[05:08] <digitalfox> how do I make firefox use esd for it's sound device?
[05:08] <asimismo> Got a pop-up on install about Lilo. Any hints on how to move forward? Doing software raid...
[05:08] <macrain> quelqu'un parle franais ?
[05:09] <CarlFK> Dr_Melectaus http://kazakshan.homeip.net/ubuntu/wifi-radar_1.9.3-2_i386.deb
[05:09] <_unome> macrain: tu as essaye #ubuntu-fr ?
[05:09] <CarlFK> I hear it works ;)
[05:09] <Dr_Melectaus> cheers CarlFK
[05:09] <alvaro> hi
[05:09] <macrain> j'y vais
[05:09] <Dr_Melectaus> carlk can i do it by sudo apt-get
[05:09] <chaps0063> Hello, since I updated to the 2.6.10 kernel, my sound has not been functioning correctly, has anyone experienced similar issues?
[05:10] <Dr_Melectaus> or do i just download it from the site
[05:10] <CarlFK> Dr_Melectaus - um.. maybe ;)  it was posted to the ubuntu mail list - no really any instructions
[05:10] <chaps0063> Ok, nevermind, a restart fixed it.
[05:11] <mikeworking> hello - my office wants me to have my /home (which is in a separate part.) as encrypted. Do I do this during install or afterwards? The idea is that if the laptop is stolen, the theif is strangely out of luck.
[05:11] <NeoGeo64> how do i attach files in thunderbird
[05:11] <NeoGeo64> like mp3 files
[05:11] <mikeworking> Neo -- is that you Dee?
[05:11] <NeoGeo64> ?
[05:11] <NeoGeo64> no
[05:11] <NeoGeo64> how do i attach files in thunderbird
[05:11] <NeoGeo64> do you know
[05:12] <NeoGeo64> im trying to attach data files
[05:12] <mikeworking> Neo -- sorry, I have a friend installing Ubuntu for the first time tonight who is named Dee and has a handle of Neo.
[05:12] <NeoGeo64> not an image like it wants me to do
[05:12] <NeoGeo64> oh
[05:12] <NeoGeo64> ok
[05:12] <tiglionabbit> chaps0063: sound is a little messed up with esd.  Finding you can't run two programs at the same time with sound rights?  I don't know how to config it right, but http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats comes close
[05:12] <NeoGeo64> i like ubuntu its pretty good
[05:12] <mikeworking> Anyway, anyone know how to do an encrypted /home partition to protect my laptop if stolen?
[05:13] <_4strO> mIRC v6.14 Khaled Mardam-Bey
[05:13] <PTK> mikeworking, I haven't done it myself but try the loopback crypto fs
[05:13] <Dr_Melectaus> CarlFK, how do i install it
[05:13] <stevef_> mikenetworking: I don't know how to do it, but what you may want to google for is "encrypted loopback file system"
[05:13] <Dr_Melectaus> add remove progs?
[05:13] <tiglionabbit> NeoGeo64: I don't use thunderbird, but I'd assume there is an "attach" menu item, and a little paperclip icon
[05:13] <NeoGeo64> there IS an attach menu
[05:13] <mikeworking> PTK -- that's what my friend Alvaro from Brazil said to do. I'm not used to this "encrypted loopback".
[05:13] <mikeworking> I shall Google now for it.
[05:13] <NeoGeo64> but it just has Attach Image, ATtach link
[05:13] <NeoGeo64> its gay
[05:14] <tiglionabbit> really
[05:14] <NeoGeo64> yeah
[05:14] <NeoGeo64> i dont want to attach a fucking picture!!! i need to get these data files emailed asap!!
[05:14] <NeoGeo64> but thunderbird sucks
[05:14] <mikeworking> Neo, lighten up. We can help.
[05:14] <NeoGeo64> lol
[05:14] <NeoGeo64> im jk
[05:15] <NeoGeo64> im not really mads
[05:15] <NeoGeo64> mad*
[05:15] <NeoGeo64> =)
[05:15] <mikeworking> When you compose a msg, do you see a button called Attach at the top?
[05:15] <tiglionabbit> hm, I think I'll download thunderbird and play with it then
[05:15] <PTK> mikeworking, http://www.flyn.org/docs/ehd.pdf <-- seems to be just what you need
[05:15] <bimberi> mikeworking: There is this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedFilesystemHowto
[05:15] <NeoGeo64> outlook 2003 is better than tbird
[05:15] <NeoGeo64> fo sho
[05:15] <bdraw> hello I am new to this distro and I need to install libmotif3 but when I type apt-get install libmotif3 it returns an error indicating that it cannot be found. Any one have an idea?
[05:16] <tiglionabbit> NeoGeo64: why do you say that?
[05:16] <mikeworking> Okay, so Neo is having fun here. I get it. Always the last one to figure out stuff, I am.
[05:16] <alvaro> I had the nvidia drivers
[05:16] <chaps0063> has anyone installed this on an AMD system with an Asus a7n8x-deluxe?
[05:16] <Dr_Melectaus> im trying to install a prog i downloaded to my desktop and i put it in my home dir. when i tried to run it this is what i got sudo apt-get install wifi-radar_1.9.3-2_i386.deb
[05:16] <Dr_Melectaus> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:16] <Dr_Melectaus> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:17] <NeoGeo64> actually i really like gnome
[05:17] <NeoGeo64> i can mouse over mp3 files and itll play
[05:17] <tiglionabbit> Dr_Melectaus: are you running two apt frontends at the same time?
[05:17] <NeoGeo64> thats cooool
[05:17] <bimberi> bdraw: You need to enable the "multiverse" repository
[05:17] <Dr_Melectaus> uhm, i have it on my machine
[05:17] <Dr_Melectaus> i got it from a website
[05:17] <bdraw> bimberi, thanks, I will google that!
[05:18] <bimberi> !repositories
[05:18] <ubotu> [repositories]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:18] <stevef_> Dr_Melectaus: you install .deb files with dpkg... dpkg -i filename.deb
[05:18] <bimberi> bdraw: Have a look at the link from ubotu (above)
[05:18] <david`afk> gentoo owns!!!
[05:18] <bdraw> thanks
[05:18] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks Stevef
[05:18] <NeoGeo64> http://www.microsoft.com/office/linux/download.asp
[05:18] <NeoGeo64> http://www.microsoft.com/legal/gpl.asp
[05:19] <Travis|H> I'm trying to play a windows media encoder stream on my linux box, and i can not for the life of me get it to work. i have the w32codecs installed, i've tried mplayer, videolan, and totem-xine now and still have not had any luck. the stream does work on my other PCs (as well as this one when windows is installed on it)
[05:19] <tiglionabbit> NeoGeo64: um, there is a giant Attatch icon in my compose window, which appears to allow me to attach any file
[05:19] <tiglionabbit> NeoGeo64: I don't see what your problem is
[05:19] <NeoGeo64> huh?
[05:19] <NeoGeo64> hang on
[05:19] <NeoGeo64> let me see
[05:19] <mikeworking> Yikes. This loopback encrypted filesystem -- that's a rat's nest of work.
[05:19] <NeoGeo64> oh shit
[05:19] <stevef_> Travis|H: is the stream public? Post the URL and maybe we can test it
[05:19] <NeoGeo64> i missed that
[05:19] <tiglionabbit> send, contacts, spell, ATTACH, security, save
[05:19] <NeoGeo64> im stupid
[05:20] <tiglionabbit> NeoGeo64: it's a huge paperclip icon.  Are you blind?
[05:20] <NeoGeo64> god
[05:20] <Travis|H> steve: no its just a local stream so that i can keep the bitrate high
[05:20] <NeoGeo64> no i was high
[05:20] <NeoGeo64> or am high rather
[05:20] <NeoGeo64> fuck
[05:20] <NeoGeo64> lol
[05:20] <NeoGeo64> thanks for finding it
[05:20] <NeoGeo64> anyways i gotta go i gotta drive home on the expressway doing 85mph
[05:20] <stevef_> Travis|H: bummer. wmv streams seem to work OK for me w/ totem-xine and the extra codecs
[05:21] <tiglionabbit> you read bash.org too much, don't you, NeoGeo64
[05:21] <NeoGeo64> i really didnt see that huge paperclip icon
[05:21] <NeoGeo64> seriously
[05:21] <Travis|H> is there some trick to registering the codecs with totem-xine?
[05:21] <jesus> jesus@satan:~/cube$ sudo ./cube_unix
[05:21] <jesus> init: sdl
[05:21] <jesus> init: net
[05:21] <jesus> init: world
[05:21] <jesus> game mode is ffa/default
[05:21] <jesus> init: video: sdl
[05:21] <jesus> init: video: mode
[05:21] <jesus> init: video: misc
[05:22] <tiglionabbit> jesus: um, stop, please
[05:22] <jesus> init: gl
[05:22] <bdraw> you guys are great!, thanks for the help that is just what I needed!
[05:22] <jesus> init: basetex
[05:22] <jesus> init: sound
[05:22] <jesus> sound init failed (SDL_mixer): No available audio device
[05:22] <jesus> init: cfg
[05:22] <Travis|H> i know there was for totem-gstreamer there is a "gst-register-0.8" which seemed to update/register totem with all the codecs
[05:22] <jesus> init: localconnect
[05:22] <jesus> init: mainloop
[05:22] <tiglionabbit> can someone boot jesus?
[05:22] <mikeworking> Okay guys, so if encrypt. loopback of a partition is a real pain, how hard is it to have some folders that are encrypted and I save my stuff to that? I need to protect the laptop's info in case of theft.
[05:22] <jesus> read map packages/base/metl3.cgz (239 milliseconds)
[05:22] <jesus> Cyclops by metlslime
[05:22] <jesus> game mode is ffa/default
[05:22] <tiglionabbit> jesus fucking STOP
[05:22] <jesus> Fatal signal: Floating Point Exception (SDL Parachute Deployed)
[05:22] <bdraw> ?
[05:22] <NeoGeo64> I remember when I worked for bellsouth technical support and my coworkers and i would blaze right before work and id stumble into my cubicle ripped every morning.  id clumsily log in and space out on the phone.  one time i fell asleep on the phone with a customer becasue i was so burned out.
[05:22] <jesus> oops
[05:22] <tiglionabbit> go to #flood if you want to paste things
[05:22] <jesus> ehh
[05:22] <jesus> if i have to cd into a directory then use sudo to run a game how can i make a shortcut to run it on my desktop?
[05:22] <jesus> i accidently pasted all that instead of my question
[05:22] <jesus> sorry
[05:23] <stevef_> Travis|H: in the preferences there is a button to install codecs... or they can be placed manually in /usr/lib/win32 (I think... I'm on a PPC now so I can't check)
[05:23] <NeoGeo64> my friend came into work drunk as hell one morning and busted his nose on the keyboard when he passed out
[05:23] <tiglionabbit> jesus: you can make a launcher
[05:23] <NeoGeo64> lol
[05:23] <tiglionabbit> jesus: right-click on your gnome desktop, and create one
[05:23] <smack> jesus: you shouldn't need to sudo to run a game either.
[05:23] <NeoGeo64> bellsouth doesnt care if its employees use drugs or drink even during work
[05:24] <smack> woot! where is bellsouth located?
[05:24] <stevef_> smack: :)
[05:24] <NeoGeo64> theres this one stall where everyone snorts cocaine in
[05:24] <NeoGeo64> and i never go near it
[05:24] <IceDC571> isnt bellsouth in the east coast?
[05:24] <NeoGeo64> yeah
[05:24] <NeoGeo64> southeast
[05:24] <jesus> if i have to cd into a directory then use sudo to run a game how can i make a shortcut to run it on my desktop?
[05:24] <tiglionabbit> jesus: gksudo and the command, then it will make a graphical password entry box for you
[05:25] <tiglionabbit> make that your launcher command
[05:25] <NeoGeo64> georgia, florida, alabama, north and south carolina, tennessee, lousiana and kentucky
[05:25] <NeoGeo64> thats the bellsouth region
[05:25] <tiglionabbit> jesus: does the current directory matter?
[05:25] <IceDC571> wow
[05:25] <tiglionabbit> jesus: you could make a script
[05:25] <IceDC571> why dont they have sbc?
[05:25] <NeoGeo64> because bellsouth is better than sbc
[05:25] <tiglionabbit> jesus: what's the game?
[05:25] <NeoGeo64> i get 2950kbps down
[05:25] <jesus> yea cuz i installed it from the tarrball
[05:25] <jesus> its cube
[05:26] <NeoGeo64> Yeah, that's right, WE DON'T HAVE SBC IN MY AREA.  I couldn't get their shitty service even if I wanted to!
[05:26] <NeoGeo64> That makes me feel good inside.
[05:26] <IceDC571> why do you think sbc is so shitty?
[05:26] <IceDC571> its good here
[05:26] <NeoGeo64> my friend had it
[05:26] <mikeworking> Hi. I need real help with my encryption question and I'm looking for the short solution that works fast on a day by day basis. The encrypted loopback part. looks great, but is too time-consuming to implement.
[05:26] <NeoGeo64> and it sucked
[05:26] <NeoGeo64> he got like 200kbps down
[05:26] <NeoGeo64> they never fixed it or even tried to fix it
[05:27] <NeoGeo64> always blaming it on him
[05:27] <IceDC571> lol.. i get 4mb down with my sbc dsl
[05:27] <Discipulus> mikeworking, EncFS
[05:27] <NeoGeo64> he called the BBB on SBC and still nothing
[05:27] <Discipulus> http://arg0.net/users/vgough/encfs.html
[05:27] <chaps0063> how do I mount a dvd drive that i just inserting into my laptop?
[05:27] <PTK> mikeworking, are u looking at the device mapper way from the ubuntu wiki or the loopback fs way?
[05:27] <NeoGeo64> so he cancelled his service and now he has a t1
[05:27] <tiglionabbit> jesus: this one?  http://sourceforge.net/projects/cube/
[05:27] <NeoGeo64> which is pretty cool
[05:27] <Discipulus> NeoGeo64, haha, he called the BBB?
[05:27] <NeoGeo64> yeah
[05:27] <NeoGeo64> he did
[05:27] <NeoGeo64> and the bbb wouldnt do anything because of whatever
[05:28] <surly> anyone configured nagios
[05:28] <jesus> well im using kde i asked this question in the kubuntu room but nobody answered
[05:28] <NeoGeo64> the southeast is really the only area of the country that hasnt been bought out
[05:28] <NeoGeo64> yet anyways
[05:28] <Discipulus> heh
[05:28] <NeoGeo64> im right on top of my central office
[05:29] <NeoGeo64> i mean its literally next door
[05:29] <Discipulus> the BBB can't do anything over a large corporation
[05:29] <IceDC571> my average on sbc dsl is 350kb/sec, not bad
[05:29] <Discipulus> that's only 1 complaint out of THOUSANDS of customers
[05:29] <NeoGeo64> im about 300 feet away from the bellsouth phone building
[05:29] <jesus> yea i installed cube from sourceforge
[05:29] <asimismo> Anybody know how to install lilo on raid1?
[05:29] <NeoGeo64> my signal is so strong that if i could uncap my line id get like 8000 down and 850 up
[05:29] <Discipulus> SBC can afford to pay the BBB
[05:30] <NeoGeo64> i live out in the country too
[05:30] <Discipulus> NeoGeo64, haha, decent, I know someone who gets 4000 down on Cable through Comcast for 19.99 a month
[05:30] <tiglionabbit> jesus: if you installed it properly, I doubt you should have to be in its directory and using sudo
[05:30] <NeoGeo64> my friend lives in a town north of here only 800 ppl live there he has dsl
[05:30] <jasoncohen> i keep getting these strange errors in apt-get where a -dev package says its base package can't be satisfied because it's looking for the pre-security update version
[05:30] <IceDC571> Discipulus: i get 4000 down for 19/month
[05:30] <IceDC571> i called comcast up, said i was paying too much
[05:30] <IceDC571> they said, we'll lower your month payment and up your bandwidth
[05:30] <jasoncohen> i can fix it by forcing the newest version in synaptic, but why should i have to?
[05:30] <Discipulus> IceDC571, haha, decent
[05:31] <tiglionabbit> IceDC571: really?
[05:31] <Discipulus> IceDC571, I gotta talk to Verizon, I'm sure I can get 3mb DSL for 19 a month
[05:31] <IceDC571> yep, comcast is sweet when you threaten to cancel
[05:31] <Discipulus> IceDC571, we already have their Verizon Freedom package, which is like 80 a month as it is
[05:31] <bimberi> mikeworking: Did you have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedFilesystemHowto ?
[05:31] <mikeworking> Oh. Hi, PTK. Was reading Google a moment. I'm back. And same to you bimberi... thanks.
[05:31] <Discipulus> IceDC571, yea, that's what my friend did, said they were gonna switch to DSL, and they gave it to 'em for 19.95
[05:32] <IceDC571> Discipulus: i would rather get Verizon than my current SBC dsl
[05:32] <mikeworking> How do I put bimberi and PTK in a new chat window from the rest? (X-Chat)
[05:32] <Discipulus> they're changing their TV package, which is gonna cost an extra 20 a month, but they lowered their internet by 30 a month
[05:32] <PTK> mikeworking, not sure u can
[05:32] <IceDC571> Discipulus: doesn't Verizon offer DirecTV service too?
[05:32] <Discipulus> IceDC571, not that I know of
[05:32] <Quest-Master> Comcast forever :D
[05:32] <tiglionabbit> *comcast
[05:32] <PTK> mikeworking, take a look at the wiki bimberi mentioned though, it looks long but fairly detailed
[05:32] <tahorg> mikeworking: open you own channel and tell them to join
[05:33] <IceDC571> im stuck on sbc because i have them for my phone service, internet service, dish service (dish network), wireless service (cingular)
[05:33] <siimo> for some reason my resolution is stuck at 640x480  http://www3.150m.com/Screenshot1.png :-(
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> how do you find what's running on a port? i have seen it here before, but cant find it in my logs.
[05:33] <tahorg> mikeworking: /j #mybrandnewchannel
[05:33] <IceDC571> so its guna be a pain to cancel all of that
[05:33] <phaedrus44> hey hey...
[05:33] <Discipulus> IceDC571, yea
[05:33] <IceDC571> siimo: edit your xorg.conf
[05:33] <Discipulus> IceDC571, that sucks
[05:33] <phaedrus44> i am using mepis right now...why would i switch to ubuntu?...
[05:33] <phaedrus44> it looks really pretty...are there advantages?
[05:34] <Discipulus> phaedrus44, cuz Ubuntu is a very nice OS, but if you're happy with what you have now then don't switch.
[05:34] <Discipulus> phaedrus44, apt-get
[05:34] <IceDC571> but sbc isnt that bad compared to like... um... uhh... aol broadband? lol
[05:34] <mikeworking> The wiki looks like it might take me a week to get through. Yikes.
[05:34] <Discipulus> lol
[05:34] <phaedrus44> doesnt all debian have apt-get?
[05:34] <Sophistication> access to it pretty much
[05:34] <tahorg> phaedrus44: apt-get comes from debian yes
[05:34] <bimberi> mikeworking: I probably won't be of much more use  -  I was simply aware of the wiki entry
[05:34] <Discipulus> AOL Broadband is a rip dude. They don't even offer broadband, they lower your payment to 9.99 a month and have you get a different ISP for the broadband service
[05:35] <Discipulus> it's pretty gay
[05:35] <limer> Discipulus speaks the truth
[05:35] <mikeworking> Thanks, I'll keep hunting. There has got to be an easier way. I can make a ram disk in like 5 commands, but this loopback encrypted thing is just nuts.
[05:35] <Discipulus> mikeworking, I already gave you a link
[05:36] <Discipulus> http://arg0.net/users/vgough/encfs.html
[05:36] <IceDC571> haha try getting AOL broadband working in linux
[05:36] <IceDC571> they'll be like um.. we require you to use a spyware capable OS
[05:36] <Discipulus> lol, there's a doozy!
[05:36] <chaps0063> how do I get my dvd playback to not be so jerky?
[05:36] <Discipulus> lol
[05:36] <IceDC571> chaps0063: enable DMA on your dvd drive
[05:36] <Discipulus> chaps0063, what program are you using to view it?
[05:37] <chaps0063> xine
[05:37] <Discipulus> lol
[05:37] <Discipulus> yea, what IceDC571 said
[05:37] <chaps0063> Discipulus, recommend something else?
[05:37] <Discipulus> chaps0063, Nah, I like Xine
[05:37] <chaps0063> how difficult is it to enable DMA?
[05:38] <IceDC571> chaps0063: if you feel like following a tutorial and typing a few commands in a terminal
[05:38] <tahorg> chaps0063: hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[05:38] <sobralense> chaps0063, I think could be this:  http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[05:38] <tahorg> chaps0063: /dev/hdc I assume for your dvd
[05:38] <IceDC571> well he could just type (mount) in the terminal and find out what matches with cdrom line
[05:39] <_unome> !resolutions
[05:39] <ubotu> _unome: Bugger all, i dunno
[05:40] <mikeworking> Easy way to do encrypted filesystem *might* be:
[05:40] <mikeworking> http://koeln.ccc.de/archiv/drt/crypto/ppddhow.txt
[05:40] <Discipulus> mikeworking, did you look at the link I gave you?
[05:41] <limer> :P
[05:41] <Discipulus> lol
[05:41] <ironwolf> I did encrypted filesystem with crypt-disks
[05:42] <Discipulus> ironwolf, he's ignoring everyone...I don't think it's too cool
[05:42] <mikeworking> Disc.. I'm back
[05:42] <Discipulus> mikeworking, did you look at the link I gave you?
[05:42] <mikeworking> Um, you said "EncFS". I'll give that a try
[05:42] <Discipulus> Yea, I gave you a link to it...
[05:43] <chaps0063> enabling DMA worked, thanks!
[05:43] <mikeworking> am now, Disc...
[05:44] <mikeworking> Looks interesting. Thinking and reading...
[05:44] <jasoncohen> there seems to be something very wrong with apt on my system. i haven't seen anything like this on sarge, etch or sid. i have backports and hoary main, restricted, multiverse, universe in my sources.list file. i did an apt-get install gaim and i'm told gaim depends on gaim-data 1.1.4-1ubuntu4 but 1.3.1... is to be installed
[05:44] <IceDC571> chaps0063: make sure DMA is enabled everytime you boot
[05:44] <chaps0063> IceDC571, how do i go about that?
[05:44] <IceDC571> lets see
[05:45] <mikeworking> Discipulus: Can I apt-get EncFS?
[05:45] <Discipulus> mikeworking, hmm, probably not
[05:45] <limer> how might I go about getting the last port on my santa cruz to output?
[05:45] <new2ubuntu> Is there some sort of configuration that is supposed to happen when you first boot your system?
[05:45] <IceDC571> chaps0063: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30949
[05:45] <new2ubuntu> Like, right after you install.
[05:46] <Discipulus> you can get Fuse though
[05:46] <Discipulus> EncFS is built on Fuse
[05:46] <chaps0063> IceDC571, thanks.
[05:46] <Discipulus> apt-get install fuse-utils
[05:46] <mikeworking> Thanks, Discipulus -- you may have something here.
[05:46] <Discipulus> and then you'd have to install encfs by source
[05:47] <`crimsun> you also need fuse-source, module-assistant, build-essential, and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[05:48] <mlambie> what's the best way to benchmark a raid array?
[05:48] <mlambie> ie, test the read and write speeds
[05:48] <arentie> Hey, I wanted to let all the Ubuntu users know that I successfully configured my Linksys WMP54G!  I'm pumped about it because I've worked on it for a long time!
[05:48] <arentie> Yahooo!
[05:48] <atrus_> grats :-)
[05:49] <bimberi> arentie: well done!
[05:49] <mikeworking> arentie: You have booted up your Linksys router with Ubuntu?
[05:49] <IceDC571> omg
[05:49] <IceDC571> are you serious?
[05:49] <atrus_> that would be a wifi card
[05:49] <limer> woot!  go arentie woot!
[05:49] <arentie> I'm serious! :)
[05:49] <chaps0063> has anyone had any luck with WPA-PSK and getting it to work?
[05:50] <arentie> I know...I need a life, but it's those little things that sometime make one happy
[05:50] <atrus_> anyone out there using Ubuntu on an AMD 64 Turion chip?
[05:50] <erommer> chaps0063 you need to use wpa-supplicant
[05:50] <erommer> not that i know how
[05:50] <limer> do you have to specify a suffix with gunzip?
[05:50] <chaps0063> erommer, where do i get that?
[05:50] <IceDC571> i want to run ubuntu on my ipod
[05:51] <FlannelKing> you cant
[05:51] <erommer> ubuntu repositories i believe
[05:51] <Discipulus> I wanna run Ubuntu on an xbox
[05:51] <Discipulus> :-P
[05:51] <IceDC571> you can actually if i work on it for a few weeks
[05:51] <erommer> Discipulus: i tried that
[05:51] <IceDC571> ever heard of the linux on ipod project?
[05:51] <Discipulus> IceDC571, no, what about it?
[05:51] <arentie> I want to run Ubuntu on my refridgerator
[05:51] <erommer> Discipulus: i installed debian on my xbox then changed the repositories to ubuntu's, then did a dist upgrade
[05:52] <Discipulus> arentie, your fridge have an HD and a CPU?
[05:52] <IceDC571> i want Ubuntu installed on my air conditioning system
[05:52] <erommer> i want ubuntu on my computer
[05:52] <Discipulus> erommer, and it worked?
[05:53] <erommer> discpulus: yea
[05:53] <IceDC571> i'll have two buttons.. i push tux for cool and the freebsd devil for heat
[05:53] <mikeworking> Well, if arentie is going to brag, I must brag too.
[05:53] <mario_> xD
[05:54] <Discipulus> IceDC571, haha, that would be awesome
[05:54] <mikeworking> Last night, I stayed up to 3am getting my X40 Thinkpad to PXE boot an Ubuntu install from another Ubuntu system.
[05:54] <arentie> Yeah, it's a pimped-out fridge
[05:54] <mikeworking> The X40 comes only with a hard drive and net connections -- no DVD/CDR.
[05:55] <CarlFK> mikeworking - like this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalNetInstall  (I almost feel bad posting it...)
[05:55] <IceDC571> the future is downloading your software
[05:55] <IceDC571> actually the future is here, people still have removable media because um.. they want to burn illegal stuff
[05:55] <IceDC571> at least thats the only use for my drives :)
[05:55] <PTK> lol CarlFK yes that was a rather evil thing to post :)
[05:55] <digitalfox> is there an RSS screensaver for XScreensaver yet like Mac OS X has?
[05:55] <mikeworking> CarlFK -- sort of
[05:55] <Discipulus> arentie, wtf? How much did you pay for it?
[05:56] <beavis_> helo
[05:56] <mikeworking> My technique was a lot of hunt and peck, but the end solution was actually quite quick to build.
[05:56] <mikeworking> It was far less work that what you posted.
[05:56] <beavis_> wanna ask a question .... can ubuntu also join a ADS network ?
[05:57] <beavis_> does it require more task than Centos ?
[05:57] <CarlFK> mikeworking - yeah, about 1/2 of that iis preseeding it so you don't have to answer any questions
[05:57] <alvaro> if I install nvidia drivers from www.nvidia.com how can i install now the good drivers using apt/get?
[05:57] <arentie> Good Night everyone...thanks for the laughs and the help!  Me need sleepie
[05:57] <PTK> night arentie
[05:58] <mikeworking> In a nutshell, fire up tftpd, fire up dhcpd -- both, not easy to configure for a newbie -- copy some stuff from Ubuntu CDROM to /tftpboot, then choose PXE to connect to it from laptop -- you're thrown auto. into install, but it's a net install.
[05:58] <new2ubuntu> how do I initiate a configuration after I boot the first time and I am unable to start gnome? (I need to configure it correctly apparently but I can't do so)
[05:58] <mikeworking> Then, it will moan that it needs an Internet connection eventually, so you have to switch cables from isolated net to Internet.
[05:58] <CarlFK> mikeworking - also I figured out how to avoid some of the copying: mount the iso under the /tftpboot and make a link from www to it
[05:59] <mikeworking> Then, it will install everything almost perfectly, but for me, at least, it was missing a bunch of gnome junk and I had to apt-get a dozen items to repair that.
[05:59] <mikeworking> BTW, CarlFK, why did you use WWW? I never had to do that. Was easier without that.
[06:00] <CarlFK> so that it would load everything from the CD image - no need for the internet connection
[06:01] <tiglionabbit> new2ubuntu: is it failing to start x or what?
[06:01] <IceDC571> i dont understand why ISPs dont come with free high speed porn
[06:01] <PTK> is there an 'ubuntu way' of rolling your own kernel?
[06:01] <tiglionabbit> IceDC571: you just need to look hard enough, it does
[06:01] <new2ubuntu> Yes, it fails to start x
[06:02] <tiglionabbit> new2ubuntu: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will attempt to reconfigure it
[06:02] <new2ubuntu> I do that and follow it through, it configures it to be out of range, no matter what I input
[06:03] <tiglionabbit> what is out of range?  your refresh rate?
[06:03] <new2ubuntu> it can't auto-detect my screen, and It's not just my install, the live CD doesn't work either,
[06:03] <new2ubuntu> out of range
[06:03] <tiglionabbit> hmm..
[06:03] <tiglionabbit> do you have a manual for your monitor?
[06:03] <new2ubuntu> Not in hand,
[06:04] <tiglionabbit> do you have any OS that runs properly with that monitor?
[06:04] <new2ubuntu> XP,  knoppix (live CD) mandrake
[06:04] <tiglionabbit> oh, and the buttons..  if you press the buttons on it, does it display its refresh rate?
[06:04] <tiglionabbit> you could try typing in the refresh rate it should have
[06:05] <pyro_chaos> whats up
[06:05] <pyro_chaos> i have a quick question about ubuntu
[06:05] <tiglionabbit> ask away, pyro_chaos
[06:05] <pyro_chaos> does it have a program like slackware's swaret or gentoo's emerge/portage tree that allotw easy and quick downloads of programs and their dependancies
[06:06] <tiglionabbit> synaptic
[06:06] <Discipulus> which is a frontend to apt-get
[06:06] <tiglionabbit> pyro_chaos: now that you're on a debian-based distro, you can use apt.  You may use it via apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, or several other frontends available
[06:07] <Discipulus> synaptic is installed by default ;-)
[06:07] <tiglionabbit> yes
[06:07] <pyro_chaos> sweet its built on debian
[06:07] <tiglionabbit> mmhmm
[06:08] <pyro_chaos> well thnx
[06:08] <SQFreak> My system clock loses about 1 minute every half-hour in Linux, not in Windows. Any reasons that could happen?
[06:08] <beavis_> wanna ask a question .... can ubuntu also join a ADS network ?
[06:09] <tiglionabbit> SQFreak: is your clock set up properly?  Is it set to update itself over the net?
[06:09] <SQFreak> tiglionabbit: yes; whenever it updates, it updates to the right time, but in the interrim it's wrong
[06:10] <tiglionabbit> SQFreak: that's odd...   don't know..  but it's just a minute, does that matter a lot to you?
[06:10] <Dr_Melectaus> Are there any programs like limewire for nix?
[06:10] <jansen> how to install the enlightment 17 for ubuntu?
[06:10] <^thehatsrule^> Dr_Melectaus: limewire
[06:10] <tiglionabbit> Dr_Melectaus: gtk-gnutella
[06:10] <Dr_Melectaus> does limewire run on nix?
[06:10] <tiglionabbit> yes
[06:10] <Discipulus> Dr_Melectaus, limewire works on Linux
[06:10] <^thehatsrule^> Dr_Melectaus: yes, its java
[06:10] <SQFreak> tiglionabbit: yes, because after a few hours, it's ten, fifteen minutes off, and that's a big deal.
[06:10] <Dr_Melectaus> see if i download a prog from the net onto my desktop
[06:10] <Dr_Melectaus> how do i install
[06:10] <Dr_Melectaus> install it**
[06:11] <Discipulus> Dr_Melectaus, you don't need to download it yourself
[06:11] <Discipulus> Dr_Melectaus, you're runnign ubuntu right?
[06:11] <SQFreak> Dr_Melectaus: Depends on the app.
[06:11] <Discipulus> running*
[06:11] <Dr_Melectaus> can i apt-get limewire?
[06:11] <^thehatsrule^> jansen: theres lots of info on the web... maybe like apt-get install e17 ?
[06:11] <Discipulus> Dr_Melectaus, apt-get install limewire
[06:11] <SQFreak> Dr_Melectaus: apt-get install limewire
[06:11] <Dr_Melectaus> coolio!
[06:11] <Discipulus> ;-)
[06:11] <denial> I have a shell variable set in /etc/profile, and when I start an eterm from a gnome launcher the variable gets read. When I launch a gnome terminal it does not, does anyone know why?
[06:11] <Dr_Melectaus> can you apt get with other nix distros to? or is it just ubuntu
[06:11] <Discipulus> Dr_Melectaus, if ever you have a question on what can be installed via apt-get, do apt-cache search <prog-name>
[06:12] <Discipulus> Dr_Melectaus, Debian based distributions
[06:12] <SQFreak> Or use Synaptic's search.
[06:12] <synd> Dr_Melectaus: debian based distros
[06:12] <Dr_Melectaus> sweet
[06:12] <synd> Dr_Melectaus: and id stay away from limewire : )
[06:12] <Discipulus> Dr_Melectaus, others have similarities though...for example in Gentoo it's called emerge and you download and compile the source instead of a binary package
[06:12] <lampshade> Archlinux has pacman for installing binaries
[06:12] <synd> but apt-get kicks the hell out of emerge
[06:13] <Discipulus> synd, why's that?
[06:13] <Dr_Melectaus> dammit, it isnt returning anything for limewire in apt-cache search
[06:13] <synd> Discipulus: limewire is a resource hog
[06:13] <tiglionabbit> Dr_Melectaus: you need to add repositories
[06:13] <synd> Dr_Melectaus: are your repositories ok?
[06:13] <Dr_Melectaus> ive got lots of repositories. I overwrited my own with thoreaputics !_!
[06:14] <tiglionabbit> Dr_Melectaus: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file and uncomment some, for universe and restricted.  You may need to add multiverse
[06:14] <synd> Discipulus: gtk-gnutella is much better than limewire
[06:14] <Dr_Melectaus> i have thors sources.list :P
[06:14] <tiglionabbit> o
[06:14] <synd> Dr_Melectaus: if your sources.list is correct, then you should be able to apt-get install limewire
[06:15] <Dr_Melectaus> ill try gtk-gnutella
[06:15] <jtan325> anyone here use aterm?
[06:15] <Discipulus> Dr_Melectaus, I suggest giftd personally
[06:15] <SQFreak> If you guys would take a look at the pastebin, I just pasted something from dmesg that I think may be the problem. Does that give anyone any clues? I think it also is affecting the speed of MP3/OGG playback when on battery. (This is a laptop.)
[06:15] <Discipulus> anyway, I'm out for the night
[06:15] <Discipulus> good night all
[06:16] <synd> SQFreak: its better if you copy/paste the pastebin url
[06:16] <Dr_Melectaus> Discipulus, whats giftd ?
[06:16] <limer> Dr_Melectaus: the daemon that keeps on giving?
[06:16] <SQFreak> synd: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/349
[06:17] <Shadowpillar> how do I reconfigure X?
[06:18] <limer> Dr_Melectaus: http://gift.sourceforge.net/
[06:18] <limer> Shadowpillar: I just did this.  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:18] <Shadowpillar> limer: thanks, that's what I needed
[06:18] <limer> yw, glad someone taught me :D
[06:18] <KhaBal> usually when you type a programs name into the console it would run the program, but with mplayer nothing happens
[06:19] <RichardC> my dial-up connection speed in ubuntu 5.04 is less than half of what it is in windows, using the same modem
[06:19] <RichardC> does anyone know why?
[06:19] <jtan325> anyone here use aterm?
[06:19] <cmatheson> jtan325: i do
[06:19] <limer> RichardC: what speeds are you seeing in windows?
[06:19] <RichardC> it is an isa plug-n-play hardware modem
[06:19] <RichardC> us robotics
[06:19] <RichardC> 56k
[06:20] <cmatheson> RichardC: well if you're getting 5.04k, that is 56kbps
[06:20] <jasmuz> RichardC: i have the same modem and im not having that problem
[06:20] <RichardC> better yet, is there a way to fix this, so i have a chance of using linux?
[06:20] <RichardC> there is no way i can use linux easily with a slower-than-normal dial-up connection speed
[06:20] <limer> I had always heard ISA PnP modems are hard to config in linux generally speaking
[06:20] <jasmuz> RichardC: have you tried upping the baud rate to the port?
[06:21] <jtan325> cmatheson: what are your settings?
[06:21] <jtan325> i mean, what are the parameters you pass in?
[06:21] <RichardC> in windows, i connect right around 40kbps (according to windows and to several bandwidth testers)
[06:21] <cmatheson> jtan325: i pass a bunch... what kind of settings are you looking for?
[06:22] <NeoGeo64> i want to upgrade my kernel to the i686 version
[06:22] <NeoGeo64> what do i need to get in the package manager
[06:22] <jasmuz> limer: you are wrong
[06:22] <RichardC> jasmuz: how do i do that exactly?
[06:22] <jtan325> ummm just anything
[06:22] <jtan325> i like to try by experimenting
[06:22] <jtan325> rather than reading :-)
[06:22] <limer> jasmuz: ok
[06:22] <jasmuz> RichardC: are you connecting via ppp, right?
[06:23] <reka> NeoGeo64: sudo apt-get install linux-686
[06:23] <RichardC> cmatheson: im using ubuntu 5.04, not downloading at 5.04
[06:23] <cmatheson> jtan325: haha, i use 'aterm -tr -sh 20 +sb -fg gray -bg black' (and depending on the background, sometimes i stick on a -tint <color>
[06:24] <jtan325> how much better is aterm than gnome-terminal?
[06:24] <jtan325> they both support transparency
[06:24] <jtan325> ...
[06:24] <spowers> aterm is WAY quicker
[06:24] <cmatheson> NeoGeo64: 'apt-cache search kernel-image', and then install the one you want
[06:24] <RichardC> jasmuz, im not sure.  the only way i've connected is through the gnome menu
[06:24] <jtan325> how so?
[06:24] <spowers> how is it quicker?
[06:24] <spowers> it's quicker
[06:24] <jtan325> moving around the screen is less laggy?
[06:24] <cmatheson> jtan325: i hate gnome-terminal's guts.  it sucks.  the only thing i like about it is the i18n
[06:25] <spowers> in every single possible way
[06:25] <RichardC> system->admin->networking
[06:25] <jtan325> what do you mean by "guts"
[06:25] <jasmuz> RichardC: that is a wrapper for the ppp, run sudo pppconfig on your terminal
[06:25] <jtan325> i thought they're both the bash shell....
[06:25] <cmatheson> jtan325: i mean the squishy black crap that flows inside it's body (i'm not saying the source is ugly or anything, it's just a bloated peice of crap for a terminal (same w/ the kde one))
[06:26] <riffic> so i think breezy is kind of screwed up tonight
[06:26] <jtan325> lol ok i'm convinced
[06:26] <RichardC> jasmuz: can i do that while im connected?
[06:26] <jtan325> i don't lose anything by using aterm right?
[06:26] <cmatheson> jtan325: there's nothing to lose
[06:26] <jasmuz> RichardC:not really
[06:27] <spowers> jtan325: it's just a terminal.. everything runs inside the terminal just the same
[06:27] <reka> cmatheson: does it have tabs?
[06:27] <cmatheson> reka: no. i use screen w/ it though so it doesn't matter
[06:27] <reka> true
[06:27] <spowers> only quicker.
[06:27] <spowers> you will lose the ability to click on URLs inside of the terminal
[06:28] <spowers> aterm doesn't care about urls
[06:28] <spowers> or anything for that matter.. it just does its job
[06:28] <RichardC> jasmuz: im currently updating apt. can i just ctrl+c and continue it when i reconnect?
[06:28] <jasmuz> yes
[06:28] <RichardC> meaning, i ran apt-get update
[06:29] <cmatheson> RichardC: no, but you could ^Z to put it in the background for now
[06:29] <jasmuz> cmatheson: he is going offline
[06:30] <leon> hello everyone
[06:31] <tigliona1bit> uhh, what's good about aterm?
[06:31] <tigliona1bit> ew
[06:31] <tomchuk> tigliona1bit: lightweight, customizable
[06:32] <jtan325> where are the icons for programs usually stored?
[06:32] <jtan325> i.e. firefox
[06:32] <tigliona1bit> tomchuk: I just got and ran aterm.  It looks awful.  Typed 'man aterm' in it and it formatted it really badly and had a lot of warnings
[06:32] <leon> I need some advice regarding ubuntu on a vmware system
[06:32] <cmatheson> jasmuz: that's cool, as long as he just stops it for a sec
[06:32] <leon> ?
[06:32] <unome> jtan325: try /usr/share/icons/
[06:32] <KillerSmurf> Is anyone have fony problems in firefox and terminal?
[06:32] <tomchuk> tigliona1bit: you customize aterm using ~/.Xdefaults, I've got a nice clean one somewhere if I can track it down...
[06:33] <Dr_Melectaus> Is there a terminal cmd that allows me to see how much space is being used/free in MB or GB on my hdd?
[06:33] <tigliona1bit> df
[06:33] <tigliona1bit> df -h for putting it in MB, GB
[06:33] <han_> hello
[06:33] <jasmuz> guys i have a silly question to ask, i have tons of bookmarks under a ntfs partition how do i add them to my firefox under Ubuntu?
[06:34] <tigliona1bit> jasmuz: do you have the partition mounted?
[06:34] <jasmuz> tigliona1bit: yes
[06:34] <Dr_Melectaus> sweet thanks
[06:34] <tigliona1bit> actually, I have no idea if linux firefox can talk to windows programs...
[06:34] <wizo> hmm
[06:34] <jasmuz> i also have firefox in win
[06:34] <tigliona1bit> you could grab the files and plop them in the directory I bet
[06:35] <tomchuk> tigliona1bit: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/350
[06:35] <leon> where is the gcc program found in ubuntu
[06:35] <leon> ?
[06:35] <stevef_zzz> jasmuz: the file format should be compatible... so if you just want to transfer your bookmarks, then just copy the appropriate file(s) into your profile.
[06:35] <limer> jasmuz: you might try importing them through firefox's import/export under "manage bookmarks"
[06:35] <ccc> jasmuz: you can export your bookmarks into a file and import them in linux firefox
[06:35] <jasmuz> tigliona1bit: that is too much of a windows thinking
[06:35] <jasmuz> limer: wont do
[06:35] <tigliona1bit> yeah, it probably is...
[06:35] <unome> tigliona just copy bookmarks.html from your firefox profile (windoze) to your home dir and then import them from firefox
[06:36] <jasmuz> thanks guys
[06:36] <tigliona1bit> yeah, that's what I meant, unome's got it
[06:36] <jasmuz> but one issue
[06:36] <jasmuz> Firefox in Ubuntu wont let me import
[06:36] <jasmuz> dosent do anything at all
[06:36] <jtan325> how do you "source" .Xdefaults
[06:36] <tiglionabbit> jasmuz: that's true.  Simply replace your bookmarks.html file
[06:36] <jtan325> or do you have to logout
[06:37] <spowers> jtan325: xrdb -merge .Xdefaults
[06:37] <limer> jasmuz: good news, just did it meself
[06:37] <wizo> hmm, anyoen has any ideas y i cant see my azumeus in my system tray?
[06:37] <jasmuz> what about the new links ive made?
[06:37] <limer> look in Docs and Settings\username\application data
[06:38] <leon> Does anyone know where the GCC program resides?
[06:38] <stevef_zzz> leon: /usr/bin/gcc ?
[06:38] <wizo> leon: usr/bin
[06:38] <KhaBal> can anyone help me with the following error everytime i run apt-get, I want to just delete it because im sick of that error http://phpfi.com/67875
[06:38] <leon> thanks
[06:39] <wizo> hmm, anyoen has any ideas y i cant see my azumeus in my system tray?
[06:39] <stevef_zzz> leon: you can always tell where a program is by typing 'which gcc' or 'type gcc'
[06:39] <leon> ok,
[06:40] <PPC_Guy> hey all, having issues with a knoppix 3.9 hd install recognizing a Creative Labs dvd (internal) player..
[06:40] <leon> vmware tools is requiring me to tell it where the binary file is for my compiler
[06:40] <PPC_Guy> kinda of linux n00b here too
[06:42] <CarlFK> PPC_Guy - did you try the Ubuntu Live DVD?
[06:43] <leon> stevef_: I used the synapric installer to select GCC4 and installed it
[06:43] <leon> stevef_: but when i type in "which GCC" or "type GCC" it does not find it
[06:44] <PPC_Guy> nope.. Don't have mine as of yet.. This is a build from knoppix 3.9
[06:45] <curut> hey
[06:45] <curut> can anyone help me aliitle here
[06:45] <curut> i am a new linux user started iwth ubuntu and there is this command asking me for libpng
[06:45] <stevef_> leon: hmmm... on my system /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink to gcc-4.0
[06:45] <curut> but when i try to apt-get install libpng , libpng is not found
[06:46] <wizo> hmm
[06:46] <curut> so what the dir for libpng?
[06:46] <Dr_Melectaus> See the take screenshot option, how do you make it so the screenie doesnt come out the size of a thumbnail
[06:46] <`crimsun> curut, you should have libpng12-0 already installed
[06:46] <leon> Sould i try to tyupe in /usr/bin/gcc/gcc-4.0 ?
[06:46] <stevef_> leon: and /usr/bin/gcc belongs to the gcc package. So maybe in addition to gcc-4.0 you also need to install gcc as well
[06:46] <`crimsun> curut, are you trying to compile an application?
[06:47] <KillerSmurf> Hey all I'm having issues with my Fonts.  ANy quick tips?
[06:47] <stevef_> leon: no, it's /usr/bin/gcc-4.0
[06:47] <wizo> leon, dun forget cd <==
[06:47] <`crimsun> curut, if so, you need to install the libpng12-dev package
[06:47] <wizo> oh yeh
[06:47] <leon> stevef_: Ok
[06:47] <curut> ok
[06:47] <leon> I will try that
[06:48] <lpih> hey i'm on windows now and i'm wondering if ubuntu has NTFS support by default
[06:48] <`crimsun> lpih, it has read support by default
[06:48] <wizo> lpih, u have to mount it
[06:48] <wizo> u cant write but only read
[06:49] <stevef_> leon: specifying /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 as your compiler will probably work, but most packages that need a C compiler will look for /usr/bin/gcc so it's a good idea to install the gcc package.
[06:49] <curut> hey they coulnd find libpng12-dev
[06:49] <Octane> what are the "libavcodec1" and "libavcodec2" packages?
[06:49] <PPC_Guy> quetion: how would I tell if the right packages are even installed to use the dvd drive as such?
[06:49] <leon> stevef_: What is the location of the "gcc" program on your machine? /usr/bin/gcc-4.0
[06:49] <leon> The answer "/usr/bin/gcc-4.0" is invalid.  It must be the complete name of a
[06:49] <leon> binary file.
[06:49] <leon> What is the location of the "gcc" program on your machine?
[06:49] <stevef_> leon: actually, I always install the build-essential packages which depends on gcc and g++
[06:49] <curut> `crimsun, they couldn;t find libpng12-dev
[06:49] <Dr_Melectaus> See the take screenshot option, how do you make it so the screenie doesnt come out the size of a thumbnail
[06:50] <stevef_> leon: /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 is a binary file. Type 'file /usr/bin/gcc-4.0'
[06:50] <leon> stevef_: Thanks you so much for your help , i feel inadiquite for this linux stuff. But i am learning
[06:50] <Octane> anyone?
[06:50] <`crimsun> curut, do you have the main repository enabled?
[06:50] <leon> OK
[06:50] <stevef_> leon: no problem... i've been using Linux for YEARS and I still feel like a newb :)
[06:50] <lpih> yeah good
[06:50] <curut> `crimsun, this is the original msg Error: PNG support required for GUI compilation, please install libpng and libpng-dev packages.
[06:50] <lpih> rocks :)
[06:51] <curut> `crimsun, what is repository?
[06:51] <`crimsun> curut, in ubuntu, the packages are libpng12 and libpng12-dev
[06:51] <`crimsun> curut, type: apt-cache policy libpng12-dev
[06:51] <stevef_> leon: just do 'apt-get install build-essential' and then your compiler will be /usr/bin/gcc. Problem solved.
[06:51] <`crimsun> curut, then paste the output onto pastebin.ca
[06:51] <leon> stevef_: I will do that
[06:51] <__Lamont__> Anyone know how to troubleshoot a PS/2 mouse that doesn't work after install?
[06:52] <wolverian> hmm, my keyboard doesn't work correctly in breezy. I wonder if that's to be expected
[06:52] <stevef_> __Lamont__: you should probably start by looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:53] <curut> `crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/16601
[06:53] <__Lamont__> wolv I don't know about it but I've heard knowledable ppl suggest breezy doesn't work right
[06:54] <wolverian> __Lamont__: yes, it certainly doesn't, but then again, I don't see such a bug in the bugzilla either
[06:54] <__Lamont__> stevef - I'll check it out
[06:54] <cubicool> hello all
[06:54] <PPC_Guy> dmesg |grep 'DVD' shows the drive
[06:54] <stevef_> __Lamont__: also, check that both the 'psmouse' and 'mousedev' kernel modules are loaded.... lsmod | grep mouse
[06:54] <curut> `crimsun, its only 1line...
[06:54] <`crimsun> curut, you don't have the main repo enabled
[06:55] <`crimsun> curut, you need to either uncomment it manually in /etc/apt/sources.list then refresh or use Synaptic to enable it
[06:56] <jasoncohen> i'm getting constant skipping when i play DVD movies in xine or totem. cpu usage doesn't seem to be the problem. i have 60% free
[06:57] <curut> `crimsun, i am a real new in linux i dont reallly understand the uncomment, refresh and synatic
[06:57] <`crimsun> jasoncohen, and the dvd drive has DMA enabled? is the sound using esd or alsa directly?
[06:57] <__Lamont__> stevef - I shoudl grep the xlog for those values?
[06:57] <`crimsun> curut, I don't have access to Synaptic, so I can only explain the manual method. Open a Terminal, and type: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:58] <curut> `crimsun, ok i am there am i suppose to remove ##?
[06:58] <__Lamont__> I have pretty limited linux experience though fortunately it mostly is with using bash in an x-less environment :p
[06:58] <`crimsun> curut, locate the line that reads "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted"
[06:58] <stevef_> __Lamont__: the modules? No. You can either do 'grep mouse /proc/modules' or 'lsmod | grep mouse'
[06:58] <`crimsun> curut, make sure that line has no #s in front
[06:58] <jasoncohen> crimsun, how do i check the DMA setitngs. i was using auto for audio- i changed to alsa with no afefct
[06:58] <jasoncohen> affect
[06:58] <`crimsun> jasoncohen, sudo hdparm -d /dev/hdX
[06:59] <`crimsun> jasoncohen, substitute X with the device letter
[06:59] <stevef_> __Lamont__: other than firefox, the only other program I usse is bash ;)
[06:59] <jasoncohen> crimsun, huh, it's off
[07:00] <jasoncohen> crimsun, how do i enable DMA?
[07:00] <__Lamont__> Xlog seems to show that it recognized my mouse is not a normal basic mouse - recognized a 5-button mouse (I have a fairly newish logitech mouse though it's passed through a KVM
[07:00] <`crimsun> jasoncohen, -d1
[07:00] <curut> `crimsun, sould i uncomment the other one too?
[07:00] <`crimsun> curut, not really necessary, you can if you wish
[07:00] <curut> `crimsun, ok
[07:00] <Amaranth> hey guys
[07:00] <stevef_> __Lamont__: by mouse not working, are you getting an error? Or is the mouse just not moving the cursor? X is starting ok?
[07:01] <`crimsun> 'lo Amaranth
[07:01] <jasoncohen> crimsun, that fixed the problem
[07:01] <`crimsun> jasoncohen, good
[07:01] <Amaranth> sorry to blow things completely off topic here, but does anyone know how to get paint off of glasses? :)
[07:01] <curut> `crimsun, how do i save?
[07:01] <__Lamont__> stevef - ubuntu boots to X just fine. Mouse cursor is center screen and doesn't move
[07:01] <`crimsun> Amaranth, what sort of paint?
[07:01] <jasoncohen> crimsun, that was done automatically in debian. shouldn't it be done automatically in ubuntu?
[07:01] <curut> its in form of dos.. there is this whole bunch of letter below
[07:01] <stevef_> __Lamont__: and you've checked that the modules are loaded?
[07:01] <Amaranth> `crimsun: err, lead paint?
[07:02] <curut> `crimsun, o tryed opening maunually form GUI, but i cant edit anything form there
[07:02] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: It's dangerous turning on DMA for everyone, some drives have issues with it.
[07:02] <`crimsun> jasoncohen, not necessarily, but you can edit /etc/hdparm.conf
[07:03] <__Lamont__> working on that now.  Xlog shows "loading /use/XllR6/lib/modules/input/mouse_drv.o
[07:03] <stevef_> __Lamont__: was the mouse plugged in when the system was turned on? I've heard that PS/2 devices can't be plugged/unplugged while the system is running.
[07:03] <`crimsun> curut, did you use the nano command I gave you?
[07:03] <jasoncohen> crimsun, /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 shows dma = on
[07:03] <`crimsun> Amaranth, lead? erm, where did you get lead paint? :)
[07:03] <curut> `crimsun, yep ok done its changed
[07:03] <Amaranth> `crimsun: They still sell it for industrial paint jobs.
[07:03] <stevef_> __Lamont__: specifically what I'm asking is if the kernel modules are loaded.... open a terminal and type 'grep mouse /proc/modules'
[07:03] <`crimsun> Amaranth, ah. Thought you were painting a house or something.
[07:04] <curut> `crimsun, so i can install it now?
[07:04] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, can't the system tell if it's a farily new drive? debian usually has pretty safe settings. if sarge enabled DMA, i would think ubuntu could
[07:04] <Amaranth> well, i was :)
[07:04] <thoreauputic> crimsun: artists still use lead white, too :)
[07:04] <__Lamont__> stevef - grep mouse /proc/modules shows psmouse and mousedev - and yes was plugged in during install/boot
[07:04] <jasoncohen> *fairly
[07:04] <leon> stevef_: What is the location of the directory of c header files that match your running kernel?
[07:04] <curut> `crimsun, btw waht does nano mean? , sado is like artificial root access right?
[07:04] <__Lamont__> stevef - I'ma find a boring basic PS/2 mouse without lots of extra buttons and piug it in without my KVM, and reboot
[07:05] <Amaranth> `crimsun: I forget, does gasoline take paint off?
[07:05] <stevef_> leon: hmm.... there is a linux-headers package that provides the kernel's internal C headers, that is probably what you want.
[07:05] <leon> stevef_: yes, that sound right
[07:06] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: turpentine or white spirit :)
[07:06] <paul_> stevef: easy way to see what modules are loaded = lsmod
[07:06] <stevef_> leon: actually, I think it's versioned based on the kernel you're running... so do dpkg -l | grep linux-image and install the coorresponding linux-headers package.
[07:06] <`crimsun> Amaranth, I'm not a toxicology expert, but from what I read, warm water and a general-purpose cleaning solution should suffice
[07:06] <stevef_> paul_: yeah, I know.... I showed two ways above :)
[07:06] <leon> stevef_: ok i will
[07:06] <leon> thatnks
[07:06] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Isn't that bad for the lenses?
[07:07] <Amaranth> don't let a blind man paint
[07:07] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: ah, you want to clean leanses? That's different - sorry I jumped in
[07:07] <IceDC571> try painting on a naked body.. it feels wonderful
[07:07] <`crimsun> curut, did you update /etc/apt/sources.list?
[07:07] <stevef_> __Lamont__: ahh... the kvm could be the culprit. try to remove that from the equation and see what happens.
[07:07] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Yeah, I need to clean my glasses.
[07:08] <Amaranth> IceDC571: My cousin's girlfriend painted on his chest, it was fun watching him try to tear it off. :D
[07:08] <__Lamont__> stevef - OMG... maybe I should stick to windows. Apparently I'm an idiot. I went to unplug the mouse and realized.... I had the wrong mouse on my desk. (Work at home with Laptop USB mouse, gaming machine mouse, and all others on the KVM - I'd connected the wrong one to the linux box... *slap*
[07:08] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: if your glasses are not coated, it won't hurt
[07:08] <curut> `crimsun, erm the command is apt-get update /etc/apt/sources.list?
[07:08] <Amaranth> they aren't
[07:08] <thoreauputic> if you have lens coating, probably a bad move
[07:08] <IceDC571> Amaranth: try it the other way around, im sure its more fun to watch :D
[07:08] <__Lamont__> stevef thanks for your help. Apparently what I needed was some sleep. *bonk*
[07:08] <arleal_> hi..
[07:08] <Amaranth> IceDC571: haha, it was fun because it was painful
[07:08] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: well, uncoated lenses won't absorb any solvent
[07:08] <leon> stevef_: thank you for your patience with me.
[07:08] <leon> Bye
[07:09] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: coated ones would have the coating stripped off, wouldn't they?
[07:09] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: probably
[07:09] <arleal_> Anyone have problems compiling QT programms? on ubuntu?
[07:09] <curut> `crimsun, oo nvm its takes no argue ok its updated...
[07:09] <arleal_> I get lots of undefined reference to..
[07:09] <stevef_> __Lamont__: no problem... I've done some SUPER dumb things too ;)
[07:09] <IceDC571> i need help, i think im getting bored with gnome, i might want to try another window manager
[07:09] <curut> `crimsun, oo ty man it working
[07:10] <__Lamont__> Nobody should have 3 mice on their one desk.. I need a bigger KVM I guess :p
[07:10] <__Lamont__> I have 5 computers in here that I use and 2 CPUs under my desk that I'm trying to decommission :p
[07:10] <stevef_> __Lamont__: I have two on my desk (mice) but I've never askied anyone on IRC why one won't work ;)
[07:11] <jasoncohen> if ubuntu's update manager is set to check for updates every day, what time does it run? that can't be set as far as i can tell
[07:11] <curut> `crimsun, are u very busy? i want to ask u some question abt linux
[07:11] <`crimsun> curut, ask away
[07:11] <IceDC571> i should get a huge live rat and stuff an optical laser up its tummy and embed clicks below its eyes
[07:12] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: on uncoated glasses, you can use an old toothbrush to clean them - glass is pretty hard
[07:12] <RichardC> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[07:12] <RichardC> is that what i need to do in order to play mp3 files?
[07:12] <cmatheso1> RichardC: yes
[07:12] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: They're already pretty scratched up, dunno if I want to risk that.
[07:12] <cmatheso1> IceDC571: i like windowmaker
[07:13] <curut> `crimsun, is sado, an command like to give root access like? what is nano?
[07:13] <cmatheson> IceDC571: (black|flux|open)box is pretty rad too
[07:13] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: hmm - the only thing that can scratch glass is something as hard as glass
[07:13] <IceDC571> cmarqu: i might try enlightenment(sp?)
[07:13] <IceDC571> wait wrong person
[07:13] <IceDC571> stupid autocomplete..
[07:14] <cmatheson> IceDC571: the new enlightenment (the one that's been in development for like the past 7 years) looks way stinkin' rad, but the current stable version is pretty outdated (it's still pretty cool though)
[07:14] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: plastic is a different matter - a lot of "glasses" are actually plastic these days
[07:14] <`crimsun> curut, sudo is "superuser do". It allows the invoker to use root privileges (or another user's privileges).
[07:14] <`crimsun> curut, nano is a simple text editor.
[07:14] <RichardC> judax: using pppd to connect worked.  my connection speed is normal.  however, is there something like kppp (i know, its for kde) i can use in gnome to do the same thing?
[07:14] <jasoncohen> is it recommended to use kubuntu's KDE 3.4.1 packages or is it safer to use hoary's 3.4.0?
[07:14] <RichardC> heh, like a gppp
[07:15] <curut> `crimsun, ahh ic .. i find it hard to get around linux like installing stuff and controling the software and driver... is there any guide that teach new bie like me?
[07:16] <`crimsun> curut, there's excellent documentation on the Ubuntu web site.
[07:16] <cmatheson> RichardC: right click on the panel and go to the add (applet) option... i think there's one there
[07:17] <RichardC> i see it, but it doesnt use ppp
[07:17] <RichardC> it does the same thing as system->admin->networking does
[07:17] <RichardC> which is slow
[07:17] <RichardC> i had to use terminal to connect
[07:17] <RichardC> 'pppd file /etc/ppp/peers/Minspring'
[07:18] <curut> `crimsun, oo ty i have this problem now is kina looking for X11 support, the msg is Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation what the pakacage i need to install?
[07:18] <paul_> curut - if you're running ubuntu, use the synaptic-package manager from System -> Administration - very straightforward to install new packages
[07:18] <`crimsun> curut, x-dev
[07:18] <cmatheson> curut: xlibs-dev?
[07:19] <steven_> how would i install firefox
[07:19] <curut> cmatheson, x-dev ty
[07:19] <`crimsun> it's already installed, steven_
[07:19] <steven_> a newer version
[07:19] <cmatheson> steven_: don't
[07:19] <steven_> y
[07:19] <curut> paul_,oo ty paul
[07:19] <paul_> yvw
[07:20] <`crimsun> steven_, the version in hoary-security fixes known issues
[07:20] <steven_> wtf does that mean
[07:20] <arleal_> I have a QT proggie compilation problem anyone knows whats the problem? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/353
[07:20] <paul_> yw + very :D
[07:20] <arleal_> I have a QT proggie compilation problem anyone knows whats the problem? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/353
[07:21] <steven_> how would i insatall firefox!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:21] <curut> `crimsun, i still have the same error msg after installing x-dev, is there anything else i need that connected to X?
[07:21] <`crimsun> curut, what precisely is it asking for?
[07:21] <cmatheson> curut: it's xlibs-dev
[07:21] <Burgundavia> SteveA, you already have the latest version
[07:21] <Burgundavia> steven_, ^
[07:22] <steven_> how DO I INSTALL FIREFOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:23] <paul_> there's also the extra backport repositories - they newer
[07:23] <thoreauputic> steven_: it's pointless - the latest hoary firefox has all the security fixes: all you need to do is type about:config in the location bar and change the vendor sub string to 1.0.4
[07:23] <Burgundavia> steven_, you already have the latest firefox
[07:23] <paul_> steven - have you searched using Synaptic???
[07:23] <thoreauputic> steven_: stop it please
[07:23] <`crimsun> cmatheson, it's better to recommend libx11-dev in that case
[07:23] <nootrope> steven_: you're getting obnoxious
[07:23] <Burgundavia> paul_, there is a bug in ff that they cannot tell whether or not a version has been patched
[07:23] <steven_> no the latest is 1.0.4 i have 1.0
[07:23] <cmatheson> `crimsun: really?
[07:23] <paul_> nope, you can get Firefox 1.04 off the backport repository
[07:23] <Burgundavia> steven_, you have all the security fixes for 1.0.4 backported
[07:23] <steven_> where is that
[07:23] <`crimsun> cmatheson, yeah, I always recommend x-dev unless libx11-dev is actually needed
[07:23] <thoreauputic> steven_: you can read, right?
[07:24] <Burgundavia> paul_, that is not useful advice
[07:24] <curut> `crimsun, ty i think cmatheson heled it
[07:24] <steven_> u can suck my dick rite
[07:24] <`crimsun> cmatheson, though most people probably will want the latter, as you said
[07:24] <curut> `crimsun, oo that installed too many stuff?
[07:24] <paul_> Backports is at http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[07:24] <thoreauputic> steven_: you are on thin ice
[07:24] <curut> cmatheson, ty
[07:25] <Burgundavia> steven_, that is rude and against the Ubuntu code of conduct, I suggest you stop
[07:25] <steven_> i suggest u suck my dick
[07:25] <thoreauputic> bye
[07:25] <`crimsun> steven_, watch the language
[07:25] <paul_> Burgundavia - not useful advice? care to elaborate?
[07:25] <steven_> suck my fuck
[07:25] <thoreauputic> just kick the idiot
[07:25] <steven_> fuck suck it
[07:25] <PTK> steven_, the hell is wrong with you man?!? your question has already been answered several times to boot
[07:25] <Burgundavia> paul_, he already has the latest firefox, but there is a bug in ff that makes it impossible for update.moz to tell that
[07:26] <paul_> oh, there's a setting in about:config...
[07:26] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: I told him how to fix that
[07:26] <`crimsun> steven_, last warning.
[07:26] <steven_> lick my butt
[07:26] <nootrope> whew
[07:26] <curut> lol
[07:26] <cmatheson> `crimsun: ok cool
[07:27] <Dr_Melectaus> Jesus there a hostile bunch in #debian arnt they
[07:27] <PTK> actually on the ff topic, why is it that the changes were backported rather than just u/g wholesale?
[07:28] <`crimsun> PTK, only the security fixes were backported, because the non-security bugfixes aren't guaranteed to not introduce further bugs
[07:28] <paul_> good point - you can get 1.0.4 off the backport repository, works for me
[07:28] <Burgundavia> PTK, longstanding debian policy
[07:28] <PTK> oh okay
[07:28] <Burgundavia> Dr_Melectaus, #debian has a history, unfortunately. They do a great disservice to an otherwise great distro
[07:29] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: heh - #debian is a nice spaectator blood sport ;-)
[07:29] <PTK> so whats the policy on feature upgrades? only on majoe releases?
[07:30] <Burgundavia> PTK, no new features, only crashers and security holes
[07:30] <Amaranth> every question you ask in #debian gets someone spewing an FAQ, 'RTFM', or a message from apt telling you to RTFM (points to the manual)
[07:30] <Burgundavia> PTK, except at the release of a new version, warty/hoary/breezy
[07:30] <Burgundavia> we don't need to bash #debian here
[07:30] <PTK> Burgundavia, fair enough
[07:30] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: They scarred me. :/
[07:31] <Burgundavia> thats fine, there is #debian-recovering for that
[07:31] <PTK> Burgundavia, sorry thats what I meant by major release
[07:31] <Burgundavia> PTK, indeed, I typed, then read
[07:31] <thoreauputic> actually amidst all the stupidity there are some very good people in #debian - I learnt a lot there
[07:31] <Amaranth> bob2___ is from #debian :)
[07:31] <`crimsun> as long as we're all respectful, it doesn't matter what happens "there" :)
[07:31] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: indeed
[07:33] <__Lamont__> I know ubuntu tries to make most administration doable in the GUI - I'm very limited linux but all of it is bash. Ages ago I set up an sshd and a Samba installation on my home net. Are there ways to do that sort of thing via GUI or do I go back to bash for stuff like that?
[07:33] <`crimsun> __Lamont__, you may use Synaptic to install openssh-server
[07:34] <curut> what pakaged does that need? , i intalled gtk-engine-dev, the error still there tho Error: The GUI requires GTK devel packages (which were not found).
[07:34] <curut>  any help ty
[07:35] <`crimsun> libgtk2.0-dev or libgtk1.2-dev, depending on the version it asks for
[07:35] <__Lamont__> `crimson, thanks. I'll take a look at it. I didn't know what it was but I found it in the menus now. :)
[07:35] <__Lamont__> My X / Gnome / KDE experience is... um... nil :p
[07:36] <Dr_Melectaus> Burgundavia, thoreauputic , why are they so all uptight in debian?
[07:36] <__Lamont__> On that note, are there any good books that are ubuntu-specific or am I best finding a good book on general debian / GNOME topics?
[07:36] <Burgundavia> Dr_Melectaus, no idea, this is #ubuntu
[07:36] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: hard to say - there's a certain tradition of umm... arrogance I guess
[07:36] <Luke> my microphone isnt working even though all the volumes are turned up... anyone have any ideas what this might be?
[07:36] <Dr_Melectaus> this is a good chan. always people offering help, good manners
[07:37] <Luke> true that =)
[07:37] <`crimsun> Luke, it can be rather tricky, because you need to enable the microphone selection in multiple places, and some sound chipsets require additional finagling
[07:37] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: don't judge Debian by the channel - it's a great distro
[07:38] <curut> cmatheson, what does this Error: The GUI requires GTK devel packages (which were not found). refer to?, i installed GTK-engine-dev but still have the same error
[07:38] <thoreauputic> curut: I think `crimsun already answered you above
[07:38] <Luke> `crimsun: any idea where else I may need to look? i'm using the same kernel that I did on another distro on this same computer where the mic worked so i know my kernel config is correct
[07:38] <`crimsun> curut, did you see what I typed above regarding libgtk2.0-dev or libgtk1.2-dev?
[07:38] <cmatheson> curut: you'll want libgtk2.0-dev (or maybe the older libs... does it tell what version you're looking for?)
[07:39] <curut> oo sry
[07:39] <curut> i missed that
[07:39] <Dr_Melectaus> can i apt-get login-themes ?
[07:39] <cmatheson> curut: generally if it says you're missing something when you want to compile, just add -dev to the name of the library it wants
[07:39] <`crimsun> Luke, I highly doubt it's a kernel issue; much more likely to be a mixer issue. An element needs to be unmuted.
[07:39] <cmatheson> curut: you can use apt-cache or aptitude/synaptic to look for the exact name of the lib
[07:40] <Luke> `crimsun: well i'm trying to use all alsa/hardware mixing (i've got an audigy 2 value) and i've unmuted and turned everything up in alsamixer
[07:40] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: anything to do with login, try apt-cache search gdm | grep <keyword> (i suggest)
[07:40] <Luke> `crimsun: what else could access different elements?
[07:41] <`crimsun> Luke, did you press F4 to access alsamixer's Capture view?
[07:41] <Luke> `crimsun: yea
[07:41] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: looks like there's a gdm-themes package...
[07:41] <curut> cmatheson, yea i tried with the synatic, just too many files hahah confused me
[07:41] <`crimsun> Luke, and unmuted capture, then selected the one you want to capture via F3 and spacebar?
[07:41] <curut> cmatheson, oo waht abt the apt-cahce how do i use that?
[07:42] <Luke> `crimsun: my card has never been able to select a capture channel
[07:42] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, not sure if ive got it but is it called xbanner?
[07:42] <thoreauputic> curut: apt-cache search <keywords>
[07:42] <cmatheson> curut: it does a lot (you can read the man-page), but apt-cache search <foo> is pretty usefull (usually you'll want to pipe it through 'less', as it may spit out many package-names
[07:42] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: umm... no idea
[07:42] <`crimsun> Luke, with the space bar?
[07:42] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: try gdm-themes
[07:42] <Luke> `crimsun: yea there is nothing to toggle
[07:42] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, whats the name of the one you got and ill try putting that in
[07:42] <Dr_Melectaus> tah
[07:42] <Luke> `crimsun: audigy 2 value
[07:42] <`crimsun> Luke, in F3 view?
[07:43] <Luke> `crimsun: f3 is playback
[07:43] <`crimsun> Luke, you still have to select the element with the spacebar in F3
[07:43] <curut> oo ok ty
[07:43] <Luke> `crimsun: yea i'm trying it right now... there is nothing togglable
[07:44] <LinuxNewbie> hello
[07:44] <LinuxNewbie> how can i install squid in ubuntu
[07:44] <`crimsun> Luke, very odd. Have you tried alsa-source from universe?
[07:44] <Luke> `crimsun: no but in gentoo it was the same and my mic worked there
[07:44] <LinuxNewbie> ive download a ZIP file
[07:44] <LinuxNewbie> i dont know what to do next
[07:44] <thoreauputic> LinuxNewbie: don't do that
[07:45] <LinuxNewbie> do what?
[07:45] <paul_> LinuxNewb - don't do that - just open Synaptic Package Manager - search on squid & install
[07:45] <thoreauputic> LinuxNewbie: use synaptic or apt/aptitude
[07:45] <`crimsun> Luke, "the same"...version?
[07:45] <LinuxNewbie> could you walk me through it
[07:45] <Luke> `crimsun: "the same" = non-togglable
[07:46] <thoreauputic> LinuxNewbie:  sudo apt-get install squid
[07:46] <`crimsun> Luke, did you remember to adjust the volume in F4?
[07:46] <TestDummy> Okay... how do I put this...
[07:46] <Luke> `crimsun: yea its all turned up
[07:46] <LinuxNewbie> ok wait
[07:46] <TestDummy> The hard drive I have with Ubuntu died, and, it so happens GRUB was on there too, so now I can't even do anything at all...
[07:47] <cmatheson> TestDummy: use the cD as a rescue disk
[07:47] <cst> moin
[07:47] <paul_> Linux Newbie - Click System -> Administer -> Synaptic Package Manager
[07:47] <TestDummy> Okay... how?
[07:47] <`crimsun> Luke, please paste the output of amixer onto pastebin.ca
[07:48] <Luke> `crimsun: un momento
[07:48] <Luke> `crimsun: http://rafb.net/paste/results/2HkKl793.html
[07:49] <TestDummy> cmatheson: How do I use it as a rescue disc??
[07:49] <paul_> If you have a rescue disk, the disk will have grub on it - just hit C & you have a grub prompt - I use RIP
[07:50] <TestDummy> Kinda hard for me to be making rescue discs when I can't even boot into either OS.
[07:50] <cmatheson> TestDummy: i'm not sure w/ ubuntu, i've only done it w/ debian... you could probably google it pretty easy
[07:50] <Dr_Melectaus> if i wanted to search for new system sounds what would be the name of the file i would be after?
[07:51] <TestDummy> .........
[07:51] <`crimsun> Luke, doesn't seem like that's the entire paste
[07:51] <TestDummy> You tell me to use it as a rescue disc, I ask you how and you say you don't know??
[07:51] <Luke> `crimsun: lemme check
[07:51] <Luke> `crimsun: it is
[07:51] <`crimsun> Luke, look on alsa.opensrc.org under the emu10k1 sections. Sorry, but I've had a long day of traveling and need to sleep.
[07:52] <Luke> `crimsun: alright thanks
[07:53] <thoreauputic> TestDummy: from memory, you type "rescue" at the first prompt in the installer
[07:53] <Dr_Melectaus> if i wanted to search for new system sounds what would be the name of the file i would be after?
[07:53] <thoreauputic> TestDummy: and it boots to "rescue" mode
[07:54] <TestDummy> And what is that supposed to do?
[07:54] <thoreauputic> TestDummy: just tried it and that is indeed what it does
[07:54] <TestDummy> I don't think I'll be able to reinstall Grub or anything, I don't even think I can do a dual-boot anymore with a dead hard drive
[07:54] <thoreauputic> gives you an opportunity to mount your drive and salvage your data or whatever you need to do
[07:55] <paul_> if you can get grub on cd, you can fix it
[07:55] <TestDummy> Eh, I don't need to do salvage, nothing important on that particular drive
[07:55] <TestDummy> (Which is a good thing...)
[07:55] <thoreauputic> in that case, what *do* you want to do?
[07:56] <TestDummy> Well, since it was a dual-boot, and the drive with Ubuntu on it no longer working..
[07:56] <TestDummy> I can't boot into either Ubuntu or Windows anymore.
[07:56] <Amaranth> he wants to get windows working again
[07:56] <thoreauputic> TestDummy: if the drive is dead and contained nothing important, I'm wondering what you want to do with it
[07:57] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: he's using "drive" in the windows sense?
[07:57] <TestDummy> What I need to do is get it so I can boot back into Windows. I can't right now because it seems Grub was on the drive with Ubuntu, the one that died on me.
[07:58] <parham> hi, i have to ask something, what can we expect from new release in 13th October 2005?
[07:58] <Dr_Melectaus> if i wanted to search for new system sounds what would be the name of the file i would be after?
[07:58] <Dr_Melectaus> :(
[07:58] <TestDummy> Real pain in the ass the drive went out... Ubuntu is one of the best distros I've tried, imo. :|
[07:58] <thoreauputic> TestDummy: would you not use a windows rescue tool then?
[07:58] <TestDummy> I dunno.
[07:58] <TestDummy> I haven't ever had this problem before.
[07:58] <TestDummy> I don't know which tools to use to get the problem fixed.
[07:59] <paul_> you can probably just restore the windows MBR if windows is all you need atm
[07:59] <Amaranth> but that's only for Windows 98 and 95, iirc
[07:59] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: w98 only I fear - I think XP uses "fix mbr " or something
[07:59] <TestDummy> Bleh, it was a Ubuntu/XP dual bot.
[07:59] <thoreauputic> yes
[07:59] <TestDummy> boot*
[08:00] <Amaranth> you need to boot your winxp cd then
[08:00] <Amaranth> choose to fix a current install, one of the options of things to automatically fix is the mbr
[08:00] <thoreauputic> TestDummy: it's something like "fix MBR" - maybe google for that with "XP"
[08:00] <TestDummy> I feel so stupid being in a IRC channel for a Linux distro, asking questions that pertain to Windows -_-
[08:00] <thoreauputic> heheh
[08:00] <TestDummy> I have slight memory of what I did one time before..
[08:01] <parham> re hi
[08:01] <parham> how can i switch from Gnome to KDE in Ubuntu?
[08:01] <thoreauputic> parham: install kubuntu-desktop
[08:02] <unome> parham: you have KDE installed?
[08:02] <TestDummy> Heh, I'm glad I have a few livecd's around :| . Without em, I'd be stuck with no help :(
[08:02] <gobeavs> TestDummy - don't worry....I asked a programming question about Windows in here once....wasn't one of my finer moments :-P
[08:02] <parham> what is kubuntu-desktop, i just installed the Ubuntu CD and it has Gnome and it has the problem that its desktop freezes sometimes
[08:02] <parham> and i have never done this before
[08:02] <parham> so i do not know that much
[08:03] <thoreauputic> parham: tell us about the problem first then - we might know how to fix that
[08:03] <parham> is KDE better than Gnome?!
[08:03] <thoreauputic> parham: that isn't likely to be the problem :)
[08:03] <paul_> oh no, wrong question :D
[08:03] <unome> parham: not better, it's just a matter of taste (not the entire truth, but will do I guess)
[08:03] <aleksi> parham: you can get kde via apt-get, and after that you can choose kde when logging in
[08:04] <TestDummy> .......
[08:04] <parham> well, everytime i add a ftp server on the desktop and unmount it, it seems that desktop does not respond anymore
[08:04] <TestDummy> Well isn't that great
[08:04] <parham> but everything else works
[08:04] <TestDummy> The cd bluescreened..
[08:04] <TestDummy> How typical
[08:04] <thoreauputic> I doubt that a desktop freeze will be fixed by switching to KDE, however
[08:04] <parham> and after 5 or 10 minutes it works again
[08:04] <TestDummy> Right when I need it the most.
[08:04] <Amaranth> the winxp install cd bluescreened?
[08:04] <TestDummy> Yes it did..
[08:04] <Amaranth> wtf, i didn't even know that was possible
[08:05] <parham> but the bad news is that it does not happen all the time
[08:05] <TestDummy> Well, it just did.
[08:05] <thoreauputic> wow
[08:05] <TestDummy> So I'm sure it's very possible...
[08:05] <TestDummy> Okay, let's try this again..
[08:05] <Juhaz> well, the installer, at least the second stage, runs in windows so sure it can bsod
[08:05] <parham> any idea?!
[08:05] <TestDummy> I'm not trying to install it :|
[08:05] <unome> parham: I had the freeze problem like you, I fixed it by installing the right driver for my video card and setting the right resolution and refresh rate.
[08:06] <TestDummy> I'm trying to get the rescue part to work...
[08:06] <thoreauputic> TestDummy: I suggest again that you google "XP fix MBR howto" or similar
[08:06] <parham> i think it recognizes my video card because the color is just fine and the resolution is 1024x768
[08:06] <parham> that is what it should be
[08:07] <TestDummy> Eh.. Firefox takes so long to load up on this thing :(
[08:07] <TestDummy> And it did it again..
[08:07] <unome> parham: what vid card do you have?
[08:07] <TestDummy> Perhaps if I..
[08:08] <parham> it is a Dell Inspiron 5100 Laptop with ATI 7500 Radeon 16 MB
[08:08] <gobeavs> Testdummy: do you want to know how to fix your MBR for windows?
[08:09] <LinuxNewbie> got another question
[08:09] <unome> parham: I think you would want to read this howto: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&highlight=ATI+7500+Radeon
[08:09] <TestDummy> Eh, stupid computers..
[08:09] <LinuxNewbie> is it possible for windows to connect to the LINUX server
[08:10] <LinuxNewbie> like ubuntu
[08:10] <LinuxNewbie> like XP is my client
[08:10] <LinuxNewbie> and ubuntu is the sever
[08:10] <thoreauputic> LinuxNewbie: using samba, yes - is that what you mean? For file sharing etc ?
[08:11] <LinuxNewbie> yes
[08:11] <LinuxNewbie> and windows can automatically connect to its assign folder?
[08:11] <thoreauputic> LinuxNewbie: you would need to set up samba as a server on the Linux machine
[08:12] <LinuxNewbie> yep ive installed samba on ubuntu ang squid
[08:12] <LinuxNewbie> squid is for the internet right
[08:12] <thoreauputic> I don't use windows - someone else might know about samba
[08:12] <LinuxNewbie> sharing u mean
[08:12] <thoreauputic> squid is a caching proxy
[08:13] <thoreauputic> samba is for networking with windows
[08:13] <highvoltage> or linux :)
[08:13] <LinuxNewbie> so it will act as the proxy server for the internet
[08:13] <thoreauputic> or linux ;)
[08:13] <Dr_Melectaus> Hmmmm. is there any way to save an image as .jpg rather than png ?
[08:13] <thoreauputic> highvoltage: I prefer NFS :)
[08:13] <Dr_Melectaus> took a screenshot, and its .png
[08:13] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: sure
[08:13] <Dr_Melectaus> trying to get it to save as a jpg in gimp
[08:13] <TestDummy> There it didn't this time..
[08:14] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, please enlighten me
[08:14] <parham> mmm, can anyone describe to me, if that is because of video card, why just desktop freezes?
[08:14] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: just tell it to use .jpg
[08:14] <LinuxNewbie> is there anyone here know how to configure a shared folder in linux so that upon login of the user it will automatically connect to that shared folder?
[08:14] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic,  tell it in what sense
[08:14] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: gimp will save in many formats
[08:14] <smack> LinuxNewbie: smb? you can add it to your fstab.
[08:14] <Dr_Melectaus> hmmmm, thoreauputic i tried save as and it didnt give me the option. only .png
[08:15] <LinuxNewbie> yeah
[08:15] <LinuxNewbie> i have samba in my ubuntu
[08:15] <Hoxzer_> hmm
[08:15] <LinuxNewbie> but now im using windows server 2003
[08:15] <LinuxNewbie> it has that capabilities
[08:16] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: well, open it and save it as .jpg, or you can install imagemagick to do it directly from CLI
[08:16] <LinuxNewbie> but i want to shift to linux
[08:16] <TestDummy> Aha, there
[08:16] <Hoxzer_> Can I run bittornado in GNOME?
[08:16] <Dr_Melectaus> save as?
[08:16] <TestDummy> I got the default MBR restored, it seems to boot now
[08:16] <TestDummy> Too bad I lost my Linux install >:(
[08:16] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: save as, choose .jpg
[08:16] <TestDummy> I'll have to replace that hard drive sometime soon :|
[08:17] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: why do you want .jpg? png is way better...
[08:17] <TestDummy> Well, I'm gonna get going now. Thanks for the help.
[08:17] <gobeavs> you didnt lose the linux install....can't you just use a liveCD to reinstall grub?
[08:17] <gobeavs> ok
[08:17] <gobeavs> c ya
[08:17] <TestDummy> (And don't worry, I'll be sure to reinstall Ubuntu once I get that new hard drive :) )
[08:17] <Dr_Melectaus> nah, need a smaller file size thor
[08:17] <TestDummy> Peace.
[08:17] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, **] 
[08:18] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: you can compress .png - you choose a lower quality
[08:19] <Dr_Melectaus> ok i think ive got it thoreauputic
[08:19] <thoreauputic> :)
[08:20] <LinuxNewbie> thor...
[08:20] <LinuxNewbie> you been online for quit a lot
[08:20] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: imagemagick is worth instlling - it can do all kinds of things
[08:20] <thoreauputic> *installing
[08:20] <thoreauputic> LinuxNewbie: yeah, i'm a bot ;)
[08:20] <DarthFrog> Is Xen available for Ubuntu?
[08:21] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, can i apt-get it?
[08:21] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: of course :)
[08:21] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: for screenshots you can do, for instance " import -window root screenie.jpg "
[08:21] <thoreauputic> with imagemagick
[08:22] <dean_> hi. im using blackbox wm and want to get dual head working. i was told i needed 'xorg', which is installed, and ive created an xorg.conf - how do i start using xorg? what should default-display-manager be, leave that as /usr/bin/gdm?
[08:22] <Dr_Melectaus> sweeet
[08:22] <thoreauputic> you can also do convert, from one format to another
[08:22] <thoreauputic> even "convert screenie.jpg screenie.pdf " if you wish
[08:24] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: reading the man page for imagemagick is quite an eye opener...
[08:24] <Blue_Summer> lo all, i installed wine through synaptic where would the icon be?
[08:25] <Arilou> Should I upgrade to Hoary Hedgehog?
[08:25] <Blue_Summer> yes^
[08:25] <Arilou> why?
[08:25] <Blue_Summer> because its cool :)
[08:25] <Arilou> :)
[08:25] <Amaranth> well, no one here uses warty so it'll be hard to get help
[08:25] <Blue_Summer> sorrry i don't know the official changelog
[08:25] <Dr_Melectaus> hmmmm, thoreauputic i got the imagemagic package and installed it. But it doesnt appear to be anywhere
[08:26] <Burgundavia> Dr_Melectaus, it is a command line tool, it has no menu item
[08:26] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: heh - try " display something.jpg"
[08:26] <Dr_Melectaus> ohhh right
[08:26] <chillywilly> are the backports repos down?
[08:26] <Amaranth> hoary has GNOME 2.10, xorg instead of xfree86, python 2.4, and a bunch of other stuff
[08:26] <Amaranth> chillywilly: You have to use a mirror.
[08:26] <Arilou> is there a difference between updated version of warty and unupdated version of hoardy?
[08:26] <Amaranth> yes
[08:27] <chillywilly> Amaranth: ok, well I was but no dice on that mirror either
[08:27] <Arilou> performance improvements?
[08:27] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: and do look at the man pages - you won't understand them, but it will give you an idea of the power of the tools
[08:27] <Amaranth> Arilou: possibly
[08:27] <Amaranth> chillywilly: Try another mirror?
[08:27] <Arilou> new interface?
[08:27] <Amaranth> no
[08:27] <Xenguy> Arilou: just do it
[08:27] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, man pages? is that on there website or something
[08:27] <Amaranth> just the latest versions of things, bug fixes, etc
[08:28] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: type " man imagemagick"
[08:28] <Amaranth> err, newer versions of things
[08:28] <Arilou> I will not bother updating then... :)
[08:28] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: linux has manuals built in
[08:28] <Xenguy> Arilou: that's just dumb IMHO
[08:28] <Blue_Summer> Amaranth, i just installed Wine through synaptic bow how do i access wine?
[08:28] <Dr_Melectaus> sweet
[08:28] <Amaranth> Arilou: Ok, but you won't be able to find anyone to help you with it.
[08:28] <Arilou> oh!
[08:29] <Amaranth> Blue_Summer: Run 'wine file.exe' from a terminal
[08:29] <Arilou> now that's a good reason to update!
[08:29] <paul_> Blue - install winetools will get you going most easily
[08:29] <Blue_Summer> kk ty
[08:29] <Arilou> :)
[08:29] <Amaranth> Arilou: No one here uses warty
[08:29] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: typing "man <command>" should be the first thing you try for any command or package ;)
[08:29] <Amaranth> Arilou: Unless you want to pay canonical for support. :)
[08:29] <Arilou> hmm....
[08:29] <Blue_Summer> Amaranth, sorry i'm a noob, whats the command to run a program from the terminal?
[08:29] <Burgundavia> warty runs out in a while
[08:29] <Amaranth> Blue_Summer: 'wine file.exe'
[08:29] <Blue_Summer> lol ty
[08:29] <Burgundavia> Arilou, you still have just under 10 months of support for warty
[08:29] <Xenguy> Arilou: if you are so cautious, then check the changelog
[08:29] <Arilou> oh...
[08:29] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: 18 months from release
[08:30] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, indeed, when breezy+1 releases next April
[08:30] <paul_> Blue_Summer - after you've installed wine, you still need a few windows dlls - winetools will take you through the necessary setup
[08:30] <Arilou> well most of the time i don't use support
[08:30] <Arilou> i fix things myself...
[08:30] <Burgundavia> Arilou, support includes security updates
[08:30] <Blue_Summer> paul_, so i need to mark wine tools for installation?
[08:31] <Arilou> oh I see so support == updates :) i get it now
[08:31] <chillywilly> hmm, but I can browse this repo with my web browser so I do not understand why I get Ign lines when doing an apt-get update
[08:31] <paul_> yep, do that - then run 'wt2'
[08:31] <LinuxNewbie> hello can anyone give me an idea about IPTABLES?
[08:31] <Xenguy> LinuxNewbie: shorewall
[08:31] <Arilou> I just finished setting everything up on warty....
[08:32] <Arilou> oh well
[08:32] <Arilou> aghhhh
[08:32] <LinuxNewbie> is IPTABLES like a software like samba?
[08:32] <Blue_Summer> paul_, i don't have the winetools in synaptic only winedoc
[08:32] <LinuxNewbie> or squid?
[08:32] <Arilou> no
[08:32] <paul_> well, iptables is a packet filter that uses rules to tell what gets in & what gets stopped
[08:32] <Arilou> it's a firewall
[08:32] <Xenguy> LinuxNewbie: Jesus H Christ
[08:32] <jasoncohen> i'm a bit confused about the security support in hoary. although main is the only repository with full security support, i've seen several security fixes in packages from universe. these security updates are not mentioned on the security announcements page but the updated packages are released from security.ubuntu.com. who is responsible for these security updates?
[08:32] <chillywilly> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/354
[08:33] <LinuxNewbie> ok
[08:33] <jasoncohen> and to what extent is universe supported
[08:33] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, if it is fixed in Debian, it may be ported to Ubuntu
[08:33] <LinuxNewbie> ok thanks
[08:33] <Arilou> np
[08:33] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, every issue in Universe will not be fixed, but some might
[08:33] <jasoncohen> ok
[08:33] <Arilou> don't bother with it unless you really have too
[08:33] <Arilou> to*
[08:34] <Xenguy> LinuxNewbie: your real question is what do you want to do? :-)
[08:34] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, are there any plans to increase the size of main so more packages get security updates?
[08:34] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, some things get included into main, but only useful, non-overlapping things
[08:34] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, you  know how you told me how to apt-get new logon themes, what would it be to get some new system sounds ?
[08:34] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, why is main kept so small?
[08:34] <paul_> Blue - oh, well you'll need to install dcom & internet explorer - gimme a sec, I'll find an URL...
[08:34] <jasoncohen> debian's main is massive\
[08:34] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: that I don't know, sorry
[08:35] <Blue_Summer> everyone: i installed winedoc but i don't seem to have winetools anymore
[08:35] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, debian has 1000 developers, ubuntu has about 50
[08:35] <Blue_Summer> so shouldwe all go download debian? lol
[08:35] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, and why support stuff where another package already does the job
[08:35] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks anyhoo thoreauputic
[08:35] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: if you type "locate *.wav | less " you'll see quite a few sounds, though :)
[08:35] <Arilou> Ubuntu is the best
[08:35] <Prottie> I think ubuntu has everything I need.
[08:35] <Dr_Melectaus> ;)
[08:35] <Arilou> :)
[08:35] <Prottie> it has sawfish and aterm so I am happy :D
[08:35] <Dr_Melectaus> Prottie, i agree
[08:36] <Blue_Summer> i don't know what they are lol
[08:36] <Blue_Summer> everyone: i installed winedoc but i don't seem to have winetools anymore
[08:36] <chillywilly> blah
[08:36] <jasoncohen> well, i've used testing and sid on my laptop. i found sid a bit too unstable, but testing is great. unfortunately there's no security support
[08:37] <jasoncohen> on either sid or testing- that's why i decided to use hoary
[08:37] <Prottie> sid is testing now?
[08:37] <jasoncohen> no
[08:37] <jasoncohen> sid is always unstable
[08:37] <Arilou> Blue_Summer:check in sinaptic installation manager for winetools and install it...
[08:37] <paul_> BlueSummer - winetools isn't in the supported repository - I've had to add the backport repositories to get winetools, also wine in hoary is old & problematic - u'd better update to the backport wine packages
[08:37] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, this is how an app enters main https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportGnomePower
[08:37] <jasoncohen> etch is the new testing
[08:37] <thoreauputic> Prottie: no, Sid is always Sid :)
[08:37] <Prottie> okay.
[08:38] <Blue_Summer> ok ty gtg
[08:38] <Prottie> I have never really liked debian on other stuff than servers due to the choice between packages from last century og unstable and breaking packages.
[08:38] <jasoncohen> Prottie, well, that's because you're ignoring testing
[08:38] <jasoncohen> i found testing to be at least as stable as ubuntu- but security upgrades can take forever
[08:39] <thoreauputic> Prottie: Debian unstable is not really unstable in the sense of "broken"
[08:39] <LeaChim> I'm trying to add an item to my applications menu - how do i do it?
[08:39] <chillywilly> totem tells me that this dvd seems encrypted and am I trying to play it without libdvdcss but I have libdvdcss2 installed from the backports
[08:39] <jasoncohen> and only if the maintainers make updates
[08:39] <LeaChim> chillywilly, i got that - i only managed to get totem to play dvd's when i installed mplayer - i have no idea why
[08:39] <jasoncohen> testing is usually quite stable- there's rarely any big issues
[08:39] <Arilou> LeaChim:Good question..
[08:39] <thoreauputic> jasoncohen: agreed
[08:39] <bluefoxicy> shit.
[08:40] <bluefoxicy> no sound in breezy  :(
[08:40] <Prottie> thoreauputic: it was when I used it. they even broke pam once so that my system got completly broken.
[08:40] <jasoncohen> i've had more problems with ubuntu than sarge or etch actually
[08:40] <bluefoxicy> the card shows up but no sound comes out >:(
[08:40] <chillywilly> how can you redirect mplayer to ue esd?
[08:40] <IceDC571> wow, synaptic is really picky on repos
[08:40] <thoreauputic> Prottie: it has its moments, yeah :)
[08:40] <chillywilly> use*
[08:40] <Prottie> bluefoxicy: have you turned up the volume?
[08:40] <bluefoxicy> Prottie:  volume's fine.
[08:40] <bluefoxicy> nothing's muted.
[08:40] <Prottie> okay.
[08:40] <chillywilly> libdvdnav: Suspected RCE Region Protection!!!
[08:40] <bluefoxicy> Linux icebox 2.6.12-3-k7 #1 Tue Jun 28 15:31:42 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:40] <chillywilly> is that a problem?
[08:40] <jasoncohen> does anyone here have a dell inspiron 8200. i can't get hibernate to work properly. it takes forever to go into hibernate mode and it doesn't resume
[08:41] <bluefoxicy> dell
[08:41] <bluefoxicy> hahahahahahaha
[08:41] <bluefoxicy> dell is trash
[08:41] <Prottie> I am getting my dell today... I think
[08:41] <Arilou> hear hear
[08:41] <Prottie> and yes. dell is trash
[08:41] <jasoncohen> yeah, but it works fine
[08:41] <jasoncohen> and hibernate worked fine in xp
[08:41] <Arilou> Whiteboxes are the best
[08:41] <jasoncohen> i don't really care. it's just that ubuntu makes a big deal about the hibernate support
[08:41] <Prottie> but as apple is switching to intel I am not going to buy a new powerbook until they have changed. going to use the cheap dell for about a year or so.
[08:41] <jasoncohen> i was wondering if others are having this problem
[08:42] <Arilou> I never actually tried to go into hybernate mode...
[08:43] <curut> hey what the command to list out all the device running
[08:43] <chillywilly> my maplyer crashes
[08:43] <chillywilly> mplayer
[08:43] <Arilou> It's linux man
[08:43] <concept10> jasoncohen, I have tried hybernation once but it doesnt resume, I have a hp laptop
[08:44] <jasoncohen> maybe it'll work better in breezy
[08:44] <bluefoxicy> my laptop acts weird when I suspend it
[08:44] <bluefoxicy> it suspends
[08:44] <bluefoxicy> and then when I turn it on it boots
[08:44] <concept10> but I havent had any stability issues thus far
[08:44] <bluefoxicy> and after it boots it comes up the way it's suspended
[08:44] <bluefoxicy> i'm like wtf?
[08:44] <jasoncohen> heh
[08:44] <bluefoxicy> seriously
[08:44] <bluefoxicy> it starts running init scripts
[08:44] <chillywilly> I can play this DVD up to a certain point and then it stops at that point and totem bitches about libdvdcss...but the output messages say it finds libdvdcss
[08:45] <Arilou> don't expect too much from linux :)
[08:45] <bluefoxicy> and suddenly X comes up with Rhythmbox paused half way
[08:45] <bluefoxicy> and I'm like
[08:45] <bluefoxicy> WHAT?
[08:45] <jasoncohen> it's really nice that ubuntu includes nvidia, fglrx, madwifi in linux-restricted-modules
[08:45] <curut> guys i have this problem i just finihsed installing gmplayer, i tried running .avi file
[08:45] <curut> and
[08:45] <concept10> jasoncohen, I tried kubuntu yesterday on a dell laptop and it couldnt detect the ethernet, windows wouldnt either, maybe it was broken
[08:45] <jasoncohen> that is strange
[08:46] <jasoncohen> worked fine here without any configuration
[08:46] <jasoncohen> same on debian
[08:46] <concept10> what do you have, inspiron?
[08:46] <jasoncohen> inspiron 8200
[08:46] <curut> error msg [ao oss]  audio_setup: cant open audio device/dev/dsp:device or resource busy
[08:46] <curut> any help?
[08:46] <jasoncohen> i think it's a 3com 10/100 card
[08:46] <jasoncohen> and i have a wg511t and a wg511 for wireless
[08:46] <jasoncohen> former uses madwifi and the latter uses prism54
[08:47] <concept10> jasoncohen, this one had a broadcom ethernet chipset
[08:48] <jasoncohen> how has ubuntu achieved so much in so little time?
[08:48] <concept10> I intstalled ubuntu on a old celeron box the other day and it crashes alot, will not run gnome at all, I have been running xfce on it.  I think it maybe the wireless setup, but the wireless setup works fine
[08:49] <concept10> jasoncohen, communtiy and money
[08:49] <jasoncohen> i suppose it helps to have debian's packages as a base but it still must take a lot of effort to debug the packages for a stable release
[08:49] <jasoncohen> debian has the community but no money
[08:49] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, ubuntu tries to alter as few pacakges as possible
[08:49] <jasoncohen> so, ubuntu relies a great deal on debian basically
[08:50] <Burgundavia> indeed
[08:50] <Burgundavia> Ubuntu would not exist without debian
[08:50] <Burgundavia> ubuntu auto syncs any change from debian into ubuntu
[08:50] <jasoncohen> i switched from mandrake to debian and really liked it
[08:50] <curut> hey guys i have this error msg [ao oss]  audio_setup: cant open audio device/dev/dsp:device or resource busy when i try to run MPlayer can anyone help me?
[08:51] <thoreauputic> curut: try "killall esd" and run it again
[08:51] <curut> thoreauputic, waht is est?
[08:51] <jasoncohen> i installed sarge on my desktop mythtv box and was using testing & then sid on my laptop but i wanted something more stable than sid but without the security updates that caused me to leave testing
[08:51] <curut> thoreauputic, waht is esd i mean
[08:51] <jasoncohen> what are the big goals for breezy?
[08:51] <thoreauputic> curut: esound - enlightened sound daemon
[08:52] <concept10> jasoncohen, check the wiki, breezy goals
[08:52] <thoreauputic> curut: it like sto hog the sound system ;)
[08:52] <jasoncohen> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals ?
[08:52] <thoreauputic> *likes to
[08:52] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes
[08:52] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, and http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBounties for listing of the SoC bounties for Ubuntu
[08:52] <curut> thoreauputic, OO ty alot man
[08:53] <thoreauputic> :)
[08:53] <jasoncohen> is there a point where breezy will be in a useable state for testing?
[08:53] <jasoncohen> like an RC
[08:53] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, already is, mostly
[08:53] <Burgundavia> X is going modular and lots of path breakage, not so much recently
[08:53] <jasoncohen> any plans to include a gui LVM tool in breezy/
[08:53] <jasoncohen> gparted is nice but libparted doesn't support LVM
[08:54] <Burgundavia> gparted work is a SoC thing
[08:54] <Burgundavia> see the bounties page
[08:54] <jasoncohen> and a gui tool for setting up WPA would be great since wpasupplicant is nice but very difficult to setup from scratch
[08:54] <Burgundavia> NM is already in ubuntu and will be installed by default
[08:55] <chillywilly> ok, I have determined that it is only this specific DVD that will not play because of the region coding crap
[08:55] <Burgundavia> but it only does wep I think
[08:55] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, yeah, but you can setup WEP with network-admin
[08:55] <jasoncohen> NM allows for multiple wireless networks though, right?
[08:55] <Burgundavia> NM allows a bunch of cool things
[08:55] <Burgundavia> like network auto detection and other stuff
[08:55] <jasoncohen> has it been backported to hoary?
[08:56] <Burgundavia> needs major deps
[08:56] <Burgundavia> talk to the backports people
[08:56] <jasoncohen> it installs in sid but didn't work for me
[08:57] <jasoncohen> also, why isn't boot-admin included? it's in gnome-system-tools on debian but not ubuntu. lilo.conf has a windows entry but when i start up it goes immediately into ubuntu without a menu option
[08:57] <Burgundavia> I have no idea
[08:57] <HrdwrBoB> jasoncohen: ubuntu uses grub.
[08:57] <Burgundavia> I think there is a plan to work on something better
[08:57] <jasoncohen> HrdwrBoB, it installed lilo for me
[08:57] <jasoncohen> HrdwrBoB, i had grub on it before from sid
[08:58] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i see nothing about LVM support in the graphical paritioning tool section
[08:58] <jasoncohen> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalPartitioningTool
[08:58] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, then bug the person who is doing the google soc thing
[08:59] <concept10> Burgundavia, what is NM?
[08:59] <Burgundavia> concept10, NetworkManager
[08:59] <holycow> *yawn*
[08:59] <holycow> mornin
[08:59] <Burgundavia> a new tool from Redhat for managing wireless and wired networks, in a transparent way
[08:59] <Burgundavia> ie, no command line foolery
[08:59] <holycow> Burgundavia, url?
[08:59] <concept10> whats the package called?
[09:00] <Burgundavia> http://www.redhat.com/magazine/003jan05/features/networkmanager/
[09:00] <Burgundavia> concept10, in breezy, network-manager
[09:00] <Burgundavia> not in hoary
[09:00] <holycow> burgie, i see you weren't involved in the victoria warez shakedown this week as your still online
[09:00] <holycow> >_>
[09:00] <concept10> Burgundavia, has that been ported to debian yet?
[09:00] <holycow> j/k!!!!!
[09:00] <holycow> :)
[09:00] <jasoncohen> so, why did ubuntu install lilo on my system?
[09:00] <Burgundavia> concept10, no idea, don't use debian
[09:00] <jasoncohen> should i install grub?
[09:01] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, it shouldn't have
[09:01] <Burgundavia> did you sideways upgrade from debian?
[09:01] <holycow> Burgundavia, danke for the linkage
[09:01] <holycow> looks cool
[09:01] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, no, i did a re-install
[09:01] <Burgundavia> that is truly odd
[09:01] <Burgundavia> did you do an expert install?
[09:01] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i wiped sid's / and created / out with an ext3 LVM2 volume
[09:02] <jasoncohen> does grub support LVM for a root partition?
[09:02] <jasoncohen> maybe that's why
[09:02] <holycow> oh heh, i like that
[09:02] <holycow> thats great
[09:02] <holycow> i wonder how it handles roaming
[09:02] <holycow> no more kizmet for me i guess
[09:02] <Burgundavia> holycow, very well, from what I understand
[09:02] <holycow> -_-
[09:02] <concept10> Burgundavia, I mean ubuntu
[09:02] <Burgundavia> concept10, it is going to be installed by default in Breezy
[09:03] <wmealing_> where would i find the java that i could use with ubuntu ppc ?
[09:03] <holycow> Burgundavia, you guys fucking rock
[09:03] <holycow> v v cool
[09:03] <jasoncohen> so, anyone know if grub supports LVM as a root partition? i don't know why lilo would be used otherwise
[09:03] <Burgundavia> holycow, don't blame/laud me, I just report the news and document it
[09:04] <robitaille> wmealing_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaPPC
[09:04] <holycow> as part of the ubuntu team  you shall also reap the glory
[09:04] <holycow> yey ubuntu!
[09:04] <concept10> Burgundavia, well do you have _news_ if there is a package avail now of NM?
[09:04] <Burgundavia> concept10, I have installed it on my mahcine
[09:05] <wmealing_> robitaille, grat !
[09:05] <wmealing_> great
[09:05] <Burgundavia> however, breezy is not recommended for the faint of heart or those who needs to get actual work done
[09:05] <concept10> Burgundavia, I dont run breezy, the question was basically is it avail for Hoary.
[09:06] <spo0nman> what is the entry in the source.list i need to chane/put in order to get packages from Universe?
[09:06] <jasoncohen> other than installing grub, what do i have to do to replace lilo with grub?
[09:06] <spo0nman> unstable?
[09:07] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, install it into the mbr
[09:07] <spo0nman> jasoncohen: read the fine manual ... you need to edit menu.1st and do an "install" of stage one.
[09:07] <Burgundavia> spo0nman, universe
[09:07] <Burgundavia> spo0nman, you might also want multiverse
[09:07] <robitaille> jasoncohen:  install hrub, make sure /boot/grub/menu.lst is correct, then run grub-install
[09:07] <spo0nman> Burgundavia: replace stable with universe
[09:07] <robitaille> s/hrub/grub
[09:07] <Burgundavia> spo0nman, say again?
[09:07] <spo0nman> Burgundavia:can you point me to a wiki  page?
[09:07] <Burgundavia> concept10, ask for a backport
[09:08] <spo0nman> Burgundavia what is the entry in the source.list i need to change/put in order to get packages from Universe?
[09:08] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:08] <spo0nman> Burgundavia: danke.
[09:08] <Burgundavia> spo0nman, np
[09:08] <jasoncohen> spo0nman, it's really only a matter of uncommenting a few lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:09] <Burgundavia> any other questions about breezy stuff?
[09:10] <ubotu> ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed!
[09:10] <holycow> Burgundavia, does it come with fries?
[09:10] <teddy`> hello... does anyone know the system req's for ubuntu?
[09:10] <holycow> ...
[09:10] <holycow> inquiring mind want to know
[09:10] <wolverian> teddy`: are you seriously IRCing as root?
[09:11] <holycow> teddy`, log the fuck out right now to an unpriviledged account
[09:11] <teddy`> lol yea.... im on a 333mhz trash heap
[09:11] <jasoncohen> robitaille, do i need to create menu.lst as there currently isn't one
[09:11] <Burgundavia> holycow, please watch the language
[09:11] <Burgundavia> teddy`, that is quite sane advice
[09:11] <holycow> eh, sorry
[09:11] <teddy`> one sec... ill switch acounts
[09:11] <spo0nman> jasoncohen: i know ... i didnt know what to write there...
[09:12] <ukato> if i am killing a process with the "kill" command, and it's not dying, is there anything i can do
[09:12] <Burgundavia> kill -9 it, but that is seriously not recommended
[09:12] <highvoltage> kill -9 ?
[09:12] <Burgundavia> man kill
[09:12] <robitaille> jasoncohen: I guess.  I have never installed grub after the fact manually.  I would have assumed some sane defaults would have been created for you.
[09:12] <ukato> would it be dangerous
[09:12] <ukato> the kill -9
[09:12] <Burgundavia> ukato, what are you killing?
[09:13] <ukato> a game that hung up
[09:13] <Burgundavia> for instance, kill -9 init would be a "bad thing"
[09:13] <Burgundavia> ukato, not a major issue then
[09:13] <wolverian> ukato: that is fine.
[09:13] <ukato> oh ok
[09:13] <ukato> thanks guys
[09:13] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: You can't kill init :)
[09:13] <jasoncohen> unfortunately, since it's using lilo, reinstalling the kernel won't create a menu.lst
[09:13] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, yes you can, I have done it!
[09:13] <ukato> hurray, it worked
[09:14] <ukato> what does the "-9" do
[09:14] <ukato> just wondering
[09:14] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: Then you found a bug and/or were imagining things.
[09:14] <Burgundavia> probably a bug
[09:14] <Burgundavia> was my old RH 8 box
[09:14] <robitaille> ukato:  man kill
[09:14] <wolverian> ukato: sends the KILL signal (number 9). man kill for the rest
[09:14] <Amaranth> ukato: Tells it to quit with a little more force.
[09:15] <ukato> ah, ok. sorry, still not quite fully in the habit of checking man pages
[09:15] <ukato> thanks again
[09:15] <Burgundavia> holycow, sorry, no fries with Breezy
[09:16] <Xyc0> I got ndiswrapper to use my wireless finally, but now my boot time lags when it is configuring the networking.  Can anyone suggest a resource to fix that?
[09:21] <Dr_Melectaus> How come when ever i try to install limewire i get this ..
[09:21] <Dr_Melectaus> sudo dpkg -i LimeWireLinux.rpm
[09:21] <Dr_Melectaus> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[09:22] <Burgundavia> Dr_Melectaus, do you have synaptic running?
[09:22] <Dr_Melectaus> ahhh yea
[09:22] <Xyc0> Dr_Melectaus: you need to convert the rpm to a deb
[09:22] <Dr_Melectaus> sheet. how do i conver it?
[09:22] <Burgundavia> alien
[09:22] <Xyc0> sudo alien Lim.rpm
[09:23] <Burgundavia> alien shouldn't need sudo
[09:23] <Xyc0> spell out the Limsire prart
[09:23] <sugoruyo> hi, can anyone help me with some weird mouse stuff?
[09:23] <teddy`> What's the minimum specs for ubuntu?
[09:23] <Xyc0> oh yea your right, just alien then
[09:23] <Xyc0> beh still getting used to this super user shet
[09:23] <jasoncohen> hmm, i think i'll just rebuild gnome-system-tools from debian
[09:23] <Burgundavia> teddy`, according to my nice pressed cds, they are 32 mb ram, and 350 to 1.8 gb to install into
[09:24] <teddy`> so my 333 Celeron, 64mb ram, and 4 gb hd will take it? what about my 8mb MAtrox Millenium 2 Card? it's all running under slack 7 now
[09:24] <HrdwrBoB> teddy`: that will be fine
[09:24] <Burgundavia> teddy`, it will be slow, but will work
[09:25] <jasoncohen> for some reason the gnome-system-tools package doesn't include boot-admin in hoary or breezy although the package description still lists it
[09:25] <HrdwrBoB> it'll be slow with 64mb ram in GNOME
[09:25] <teddy`> is KDE an option?
[09:25] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, it was removed, unknown reasons
[09:25] <HrdwrBoB> no
[09:25] <HrdwrBoB> KDE is if anything worse
[09:25] <Burgundavia> teddy`, install kubuntu-desktop afterwords
[09:25] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, unknown reasons?
[09:25] <berkes> yawn.
[09:25] <HrdwrBoB> teddy`: the basic fact is that machine is obsolete
[09:25] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, I have never asked, so unknown to me
[09:25] <HrdwrBoB> more ram will make it run a LOT better though
[09:25] <teddy`> kubuntu-desktop? what's it look like?
[09:25] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i thought the ubuntu developers generally don't touch debian packages
[09:25] <berkes> I try to get a prism wireless card going, on Ubuntu,
[09:26] <sugoruyo> teddy`, i'd try something like xfce or icew,
[09:26] <berkes> got the wlan-ng package installed,
[09:26] <Dr_Melectaus> once ive  converted it to a deb what do i do xt
[09:26] <jasoncohen> berkes, you just need the firmware
[09:26] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, stuff that is in main is usually quite heavily editing
[09:26] <Dr_Melectaus> once ive  converted it to a deb what do i do Xyc0 ***
[09:26] <teddy`> i know this machine is a beast.. going thru divorce.. alll i have.. nuff said
[09:26] <Burgundavia> s/ing/ed
[09:26] <berkes> but I cannot find how and where to get the actual kernel modules
[09:26] <berkes> any hints?
[09:26] <jasoncohen> berkes, http://prism54.org/~mcgrof/firmware/
[09:26] <Xyc0> Dr_Melectaus: install the .deb file using dpkg
[09:26] <Dr_Melectaus> k
[09:26] <teddy`> hmm... wondering if its even better to hold off until i get a new box and run and older version of mandrake or something
[09:26] <jasoncohen> cp 1.0.4.3 to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/isl3890 (or firmware of your chip)
[09:26] <Xyc0> Dr_Melectaus: also make sure synaptic is closed
[09:27] <berkes> jasoncohen, thanks
[09:27] <Dr_Melectaus> k
[09:27] <jasoncohen> berkes, the module is already included with the kernel
[09:27] <jasoncohen> you just need the firmware
[09:27] <sugoruyo> is there anyone who can help me with these mouse problems???????
[09:27] <Xyc0> I got ndiswrapper to use my wireless finally, but now my boot time lags when it is configuring the networking.  Can anyone suggest a resource to fix that?
[09:28] <berkes> jasoncohen, okay. thats why i could not find the package for the module :)
[09:28] <teddy`> can ubuntu be installed via HD or cd install only/
[09:28] <Dr_Melectaus> Xyc0,  do i put the .deb in my home dir then in terminal "sudo dpkg -i LimeWireLinux.deb
[09:28] <Dr_Melectaus> "
[09:28] <jasoncohen> berkes, almost all modules are included in the kernel as a module or built in and ubuntu even has linux-restricted-modules which includes closed source modules like nvidia, fglrx, madwifi etc.
[09:28] <Silent_Bob> teddy - ubuntu installs from the CD only no probs - of course, the repositories are online
[09:29] <Xyc0> Dr_Melectaus: cd to the directory it is in, probubly already in HOME, then exicute 'sudo dpkg -i Lim.deb'
[09:29] <drosan> any way to do a network install of ubuntu?
[09:29] <Xyc0> you can network install anything
[09:29] <Dr_Melectaus> am i meant to put lim.deb ?
[09:30] <teddy`> now as in network do you mean over the LAN or over tcp?
[09:30] <jasoncohen> drosan, ubuntu doesn't have a network install CD like debian
[09:30] <Xyc0> Dr_Melectaus: No i am just being too lazy to spell out LimWireLinux.deb
[09:30] <fabbione> yes we do
[09:30] <jasoncohen> fabbione, oh, where?
[09:30] <Silent_Bob> yes, but it's a different iso
[09:30] <drosan> jasoncohen: Ok, that was what i was looking for
[09:30] <jasoncohen> i guess i was mistaken then
[09:30] <fabbione> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[09:30] <Xyc0> Dr_Melectaus: if you type out the first few letters then hit TAB it finishes it for you
[09:31] <Dr_Melectaus> shit how do i cd to hom, im in melectaus@ubuntu
[09:31] <sugoruyo> hello? anyone out there????
[09:31] <drosan> fabbione: thx
[09:31] <Dr_Melectaus> i need to go back a dir
[09:31] <Xyc0> Dr_Melectaus: thats it
[09:31] <Dr_Melectaus> how do i go back cd  ../home
[09:32] <Silent_Bob> just "cd" will do it
[09:32] <highvoltage> Dr_Melectaus: back where?
[09:32] <highvoltage> to /home?
[09:32] <Dr_Melectaus> im in /home/melectaus
[09:32] <Silent_Bob> well, to /home/USER
[09:32] <highvoltage> cd ..
[09:32] <Dr_Melectaus> yes i need to /home
[09:32] <highvoltage> or cd /home
[09:32] <Silent_Bob> oh, then "cd .."
[09:32] <Xyc0> Dr_Melectaus: I would suggest taking a class in BASH or reading up on BASH promt
[09:32] <highvoltage> or cd ../
[09:32] <teddy`> say if a guy didnt have accesss to a burner could he copy the ubuntu cd to say /Ubuntu, boot up, and install from that dir?
[09:33] <Xyc0> teddy`: not quite
[09:33] <teddy`> not quite, meaning it is possible thou?
[09:33] <Silent_Bob> never seen disk only install as an option, but not saying it can't be done
[09:33] <Xyc0> teddy`: How would your computer know to look for it there
[09:33] <highvoltage> hmmm.. i've wondered about that too. does ubuntu have any kind of net install atm?
[09:34] <Xyc0> teddy`: You can mount the updates and install that way, but to reformat your system and install it must be via CDROM
[09:35] <sugoruyo> anyone?
[09:35] <sugoruyo> please?
[09:35] <Burgundavia> sugoruyo, what do you need help with?
[09:35] <sugoruyo> well it's about the mouse on my laptop
[09:35] <Burgundavia> sugoruyo, what is it doing/not doing?
[09:36] <IceDC571> is there such thing as a taskbar in enlightenment?
[09:36] <IceDC571> hmm...
[09:36] <sugoruyo> when i boot ubuntu live-dvd
[09:36] <berkes> jasoncohen, so I now have the firmware, the modules, and the linux-wlan-ng package (configured and all), any hints as to how and where I must get the firmware included?
[09:36] <sugoruyo> the touchpad works
[09:36] <sugoruyo> but when i install it doesn't
[09:36] <jasoncohen> did you copy 1.0.4.3 and rename it to isl3890 in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware ?
[09:36] <berkes> no,
[09:36] <jasoncohen> well...do that
[09:37] <berkes> jasoncohen, okay, i will, where can I find a readme or howto on that?
[09:37] <berkes> because I need to reboot intu ubuntu, in order to do that
[09:37] <jasoncohen> berkes, i just gave you the URL
[09:38] <jasoncohen> http://prism54.org/~mcgrof/firmware/
[09:38] <sugoruyo> so i was wondering: if it works on live then there is hardware support for it
[09:38] <sugoruyo> why doesn't it work on install though?
[09:39] <jasoncohen> lol, i recompiled gnome-system-tools from sid which has boot-admin (i checked by filename), built it, then made a deb package with checkinstall -D but dpkg -L doesn't show a boot-admin binary
[09:39] <jasoncohen> i tried a regular make install too- no go
[09:39] <berkes> jasoncohen, yes, thqt is zhere I got the firmware, but no readme or so there, it seems
[09:39] <jasoncohen> what do you expect the readme to tell you?
[09:39] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: If you got the source package from sid why didn't you just build it?
[09:40] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc
[09:40] <jasoncohen> you copy the firmware into place, insert the card and then setup your WEP key & SSID in network-admin - system > administratin > networking
[09:40] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, ok, i'll do that
[09:45] <macintoshr> ok the sticker project was going well
[09:45] <macintoshr> we had a sticekr on most computers...
[09:45] <macintoshr> until some BLOODY WINDOWS USING FUCKTARD went around peeling them off
[09:45] <macintoshr> :H
[09:46] <Amaranth> you were putting ubuntu stickers on computers and a windows user peeled them all off?
[09:46] <Xyc0> Anyone get WAP to work?
[09:46] <Geoffroy> hi
[09:46] <Myrtti> stickers suck
[09:46] <Myrtti> use flyers instead
[09:46] <Amaranth> macintoshr: Did you introduce him to a baseball bat? :D
[09:46] <macintoshr> i should have
[09:47] <macintoshr> although a few bins still have windows stickers on them
[09:47] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, is      dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b ok?
[09:47] <macintoshr> powerbook battery about to run flat...
[09:48] <satzgi> hi, i have a huge problem:
[09:48] <holycow> http://planb.cloudnine.net.nz/  <-- nifty
[09:48] <satzgi> after install on my travelmate, ig got "invalid boot sector"
[09:48] <Ghete1> I have an ethical question. I just crashed my car and I have had to cancel a semester of college b/c i havent the means to get there or the money to fix my car. someone close to me has offered me a pretty good amount of money to set up a kolab server and a few clients. i have always recieved help free of charge here at the ubuntu and kubuntu channels. should i take this job?
[09:49] <twb_> hi, is it possible to duplicate a partition onto another HD?
[09:49] <Amaranth> Ghete1: If you're getting paid to do something and you're asking us if we can tell you how to do it, that isn't right.
[09:50] <Ghete1> haha no
[09:50] <Ghete1> i just want to know if its right
[09:50] <jasoncohen> Ghete1, you're offering a service. you're setting up something that would require time and effort from the person who is offering you the fee. what's the problem?
[09:50] <Seveas> Ghete1, of course it's right
[09:51] <macintoshr> go for the server
[09:51] <macintoshr> if you need the money
[09:51] <Seveas> I get paid too for maintaining a few Ubuntu servers and an Ubuntu cluster...
[09:51] <Ghete1> mmm
[09:51] <Ghete1> i guess so
[09:51] <twb_> can someone please help me?
[09:51] <Seveas> Ghete1, people are encouraged to provide support, either paid or for free
[09:52] <macintoshr> yeah go for it
[09:52] <macintoshr> i have no ethical problem with it
[09:52] <Ghete1> alright
[09:52] <Ghete1> thanks guys
[09:52] <macintoshr> as long as you aren't ripping them off
[09:52] <macintoshr> and actually need the money
[09:52] <Seveas> A lot of communuty members here devote a lot of time to helping random people. A lot of companies devote more time to people who really need their support since they don't know shit about linux...
[09:53] <Juhaz> it's no different for any other job...
[09:53] <twb_> i need to know something about partitioning
[09:53] <Juhaz> besides, consider that if you don't do it, who knows, they'll go ahead and do exchange installation instead, poor souls lost to microsoft
[09:53] <satzgi> can someone plese help me wit my bootsector problem ?
[09:53] <Ghete1> haha
[09:53] <Ghete1> yeah
[09:54] <Seveas> Ghete1, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/supportoptions/paidsupport/document_view
[09:54] <Seveas> anyhow, brb, breakfast time..
[09:55] <Dr_Melectaus> http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[09:56] <Dr_Melectaus> the bit where it says create the new file and put cd /opt/LimeWire/
[09:56] <Dr_Melectaus> ./runLime.sh
[09:56] <concept10> Ghete1, when are you going to start on this?
[09:56] <Ghete1> Seveas: whoa by comparison they are cheap
[09:56] <whiprush> twb_: hang out a bit an be patient, someone who can help you should be along sometime.
[09:56] <Dr_Melectaus> it wont let me save the file
[09:56] <Ghete1> i will start tuesday
[09:56] <jo> wil upgrade to breezy kill my xorg?
[09:56] <twb_> whiplash: ok, thank you
[09:57] <concept10> Ghete1, it doesnt seem to difficult to setup, just need some patience and time
[09:57] <jo> wil upgrade to breezy kill my xorg?
[09:57] <Nermal> it will kill lots of things
[09:57] <yuacht> jo, why write twice?
[09:57] <Nermal> bud sadly not the user
[09:57] <jo> sorry
[09:57] <Nermal> but*
[09:57] <Ghete1> concept10: yeah its easy stuff. kolab, postfix, shorewall, apache... and 10 clients
[09:57] <monchichi> jo, it will kill you firstborn child also
[09:58] <jo> hm
[09:58] <Nermal> yay..
[09:58] <Nermal> my command works :)
[09:58] <satzgi> after install on my travelmate, i got "invalid boot sector", how can i solve this prob?
[09:58] <jo> but iso from breezy is olso no good
[09:58] <sugoruyo> so noone has an idea about why this happens???
[09:58] <whiprush> twb_: I'd offer advice but when it comes to things like partitions and whatnot it's best to wait for an expert to wake up. :)
[09:58] <jo> wont setup get stuk on boot
[09:59] <jo> its thet goos site for breezy iso that work?
[09:59] <jo> olso for amd64
[09:59] <concept10> sugoruyo, what is that?
[09:59] <Seveas> jo, breezy is not in a workable state yet...
[09:59] <whiprush> most breezy iso's won't work.
[09:59] <jo> oke thanks
[09:59] <sugoruyo> concept10, i have a laptop
[09:59] <whiprush> too much in flux.
[09:59] <whiprush> best wait for colony 2.
[10:00] <jo> oke i was thinking it was my
[10:00] <Seveas> Colony 2 can be finished soon...
[10:00] <monchichi> flux is fun
[10:00] <whiprush> yeah, wait a  day or two for colony 2 to be pushed out.
[10:00] <sugoruyo> concept10, when i use the live-dvd
[10:00] <sugoruyo> concept10, the touchhpad works
[10:00] <sugoruyo> concept10, but when i install it doesn't...
[10:01] <sugoruyo> concept10, i was wondering if anyone had a clue as to why this happens
[10:02] <concept10> sugoruyo,  maybe the livedvd has a better driver for your touchpad
[10:02] <sugoruyo> concept10, how can that be?
[10:03] <sugoruyo> concept10, the dvd has the driver and uses it when boot live but when i install it doesn't?
[10:03] <sugoruyo> sounds a bit silly to me
[10:04] <concept10> sugoruyo, may sound silly to you but anything is possible.  Are you installing from the same dvd?
[10:04] <sugoruyo> of course
[10:04] <monchichi> sugoruyo, try a sudo modprobe psmouse
[10:05] <jamey3> I accidentally wiped my MBR by running the NT setup; how can I restore this to load Ubuntu's grub/lilo?
[10:06] <monchichi> sugoruyo, and run "cat /proc/bus/input/devices" to see if its detected
[10:06] <concept10> sugoruyo, another suggestion: Run the live DVD and see what driver it is using and compare to the installation
[10:07] <Seveas> jamey3, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[10:07] <jamey3> Seveas, thanks... I will look on the Wiki next time :-)
[10:07] <twb_> any experts in here yet?
[10:08] <sugoruyo> thanks guys i will but after i reinstall, it all of a sudden started churning out messages about nautilus crashing (windoze style) and i don't like that
[10:08] <djp> hi there. can anybody tell me why a daily crontab job that i have setup has failed to run? is it because i need a return at the end of the command? i.e., a blank line at the end of the crontab file?
[10:09] <Nermal> twb_, just ask the question
[10:09] <tiglionabbit> I'm back
[10:09] <mwe> djp, is the pc turned on at the time of the job? if not is anacron installed?
[10:10] <twb_> is there a way to duplicate a partition onto another Hd?
[10:11] <tiglionabbit> twb_: why do you want to do that?
[10:11] <mwe> twb_, df
[10:11] <djp> mwe: yes, pc is on. anacron is installed.
[10:11] <twb_> i need to set up Windows fo rmy dad cuz im leaving
[10:11] <monchichi> dd not df
[10:11] <mwe> djp, then I don't know, sorry
[10:11] <IceDC571_> is there a way to kick my other screen name off freenode? i'm signed on twice and it wont let me switch
[10:11] <mwe> monchichi, yes of course
[10:12] <tiglionabbit> IceDC571_: /msg nickserv ghost yourusername yourpassword
[10:12] <berkes> back :)
[10:12] <IceDC571_> lol nevermind.. the other me quit
[10:12] <berkes> jasoncohen, you told me that the modules are in the kernel already,
[10:12] <tiglionabbit> alright, then just do that next time, IceDC571
[10:12] <berkes> however, lsmod shows no modules for wlan-ng
[10:12] <djp> mwe: no probs, thanks anyway
[10:13] <berkes> also, jasoncohen, the firmware you pointed me to, is already installed in ubuntu
[10:13] <jamey3> Hm, I need to restore the MBR of my Ubuntu machine but the only machine with a CD burner is that one. Can I somehow install Ubuntu again on the second (empty) partition and then use this to boot the previous install?
[10:13] <berkes> so, all in all, i am no furhter yet :)
[10:14] <berkes> any more hints how to get a prism chipset wireless card running in ubuntu?
[10:14] <twb_> whats the command? dd...
[10:14] <monchichi> jamey3, you shouldnt have to resort to that
[10:15] <jamey3> monchichi, how can I solve it another way?
[10:15] <Amaranth> boot the cd in rescue mode
[10:15] <Amaranth> the install cd, that is
[10:15] <monchichi> just boot a cd in rescue mode or a livecd
[10:15] <jamey3> ah, how do you do that?
[10:15] <monchichi> and rewrite the mbr :)
[10:15] <Amaranth> on that prompt where you normally just hit enter at the beginning type 'rescue' and hit entry
[10:15] <jamey3> Amaranth, thanks
[10:16] <concept10> jamey3, what wireless card do you use?
[10:16] <jamey3> concept10, I don't... it's a normal LAN
[10:16] <Amaranth> after that you make grub reinstall the mbr, google should know how to do that (i don't)
[10:16] <monchichi> twb_ "dd if=partition1 of=partition2
[10:16] <concept10> jamey3, ok - what is it called?
[10:16] <jamey3> concept10, it's the one on the Abit NF7-S rev2.x motherboard
[10:17] <chillywilly> bah
[10:18] <berkes> jamey3, onboqrd cards are most often intel/SiS
[10:18] <Dr_Melectaus> Ive got the eciadsl package that allows you to use adsl modems. If your not to busy could you direct me to a link that would help me set up an adsl bb modem?
[10:18] <Dr_Melectaus> Could someone**
[10:18] <jamey3> berkes, okay but I don't know why concept10 wants to know what my LAN card is!?
[10:18] <twb_> do i need a cd or anything, monchichi
[10:18] <berkes> hehe jamey3 :)
[10:19] <scaroo> hi ppl, does any of you know in wich package i can find the gcj-dbtoo-4.0 ?
[10:19] <concept10> jamey3, to find out what chipset you use, gosh!
[10:19] <monchichi> twb_, you shouldnt. ive never copied a whole partition using dd but it should work in theory
[10:19] <scaroo> *binary
[10:19] <berkes> anyone else here with a wireless card and the linux-wlan-ng drivers?
[10:20] <berkes> monchichi, AFAIK dd is not very error safe,
[10:20] <Amaranth> scaroo: breezy?
[10:20] <jamey3> concept10, I could've told you my mobo chipset straight off! nForce2 =)
[10:20] <scaroo> yep
[10:20] <concept10> berkes, I setup one the other day
[10:20] <Amaranth> hmm
[10:20] <twb_> so, it would go : dd if=hd01 of=hda03 ?
[10:20] <berkes> if one of the disks has a small problem, it will corrup everything
[10:20] <concept10> jamey3, the chipset of the ETHERNET
[10:20] <berkes> concept10, so, any hints or links?
[10:20] <jamey3> concept10, lol
[10:20] <berkes> concept10, I am quit lost.
[10:21] <jamey3> concept10, Realtek RTL8201B
[10:21] <berkes> ah, jamey3, look at rt2500.sourceforge.net
[10:21] <berkes> thats where the drivers for reltek are developed
[10:21] <aspro> Hey, is breezy running _okay_ at the moment?
[10:21] <jamey3> berkes, 404 :S
[10:22] <Juhaz> berkes, huh? ralink != realtek
[10:22] <concept10> berkes, ftp://ftp.linux-wlan.org/pub/linux-wlan-ng/
[10:22] <monchichi> berkes: what would you use? (instead of dd)
[10:22] <jamey3> concept10, why would I need LAN drivers though?
[10:22] <Amaranth> scaroo: Is that for accessing MS Access databases?
[10:22] <concept10> berkes, but I used this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DLinkDWL520E1?highlight=%28dlink%29
[10:23] <aspro> I need the version of parted that comes with it to install next to my tiger parition, but if it is completely borked atm I wont download a build
[10:23] <Dr_Melectaus> Ive got the eciadsl package that allows you to use adsl modems. could somone if who isnt too busy direct me to a link that would help me set up an adsl bb modem?
[10:23] <concept10> jamey3, you are trying to fix your onboard ethernet interface?
[10:23] <jamey3> concept10, nope I'm trying to repair my MBR
[10:23] <berkes> concept10, that ftp, is the sqme as the debian linux-wlan-ng package i already installed
[10:24] <monchichi> Dr_Melectaus have you tried ubuntuguide.org ?
[10:24] <Amaranth> aspro: Even if it's running ok right this minute it might not with the next upgrade.
[10:24] <concept10> jamey3, sorry!  I thought you were trying to fix your ethernet
[10:24] <berkes> jamey3, oh, only the MBR, then indeed you must use dd.
[10:24] <aspro> Amarath, sure, but if its okay now i wont upgrade for a short while :)
[10:24] <aspro> I dont need it for anything important
[10:25] <Amaranth> aspro: Well, it was ok a week ago, I haven't upgraded since then.
[10:25] <concept10> berkes, what is the problem your are having?  have you installed the driver and cant get access?
[10:25] <jamey3> concept10, no problem =)
[10:25] <aspro> Oh well, Ill try it anyway, hopefully its not bung :)
[10:25] <Dr_Melectaus> monchichi, yes
[10:25] <concept10> jamey3, I just cleaned my glasses
[10:26] <berkes> concept10, the problem is thqt i cant seem to find the modules that I have to load
[10:26] <IceDC571> why do so many people like engage over gdesklets?
[10:27] <monchichi> Dr_Melectaus, and you did this: http://ubuntuguide.org/#rp-pppoe ?
[10:27] <berkes> concept10, I installed the package, but got lost from there.
[10:27] <concept10> berkes, one more time, what card are you using?
[10:27] <monchichi> engage has a systray
[10:27] <berkes> concept10, 3com somethingsomething ?me looks up the number
[10:27] <jamey3> What does the Ubuntu Installer rescue mode do? It feels like I'm completely reinstalling :/
[10:29] <berkes> concept10: 3Com 3CRWE777A
[10:30] <berkes> according to the docs online it should be supported by wlan-ng
[10:30] <Dr_Melectaus> monchichi, it doesnt detect the modem
[10:30] <scaroo> Amaranth, i dunno;, but the postinstall script of ec lipse-jdt fails because the "gcj-dbtool-4.0" binary is not present
[10:30] <Dr_Melectaus> i need to somehow force it to
[10:30] <Amaranth> scaroo: eclipse is being worked on
[10:31] <monchichi> Dr_Melectaus, sorry, i cant help you... ive never had ppoe
[10:31] <scaroo> ok, so wait and see
[10:32] <frenchgit> hi there - I'm looking for some help getting my pcmcia rt2500 wireless card up and running
[10:32] <KhaBal> how do i change resolution by command?
[10:32] <KhaBal> resolution of my monitor?
[10:32] <satzgi> hi, i have the same problem with my mbr as before:
[10:32] <voidmasta> ctrl+alt plus and minus should switch resolution
[10:32] <jamey3> satzgi, same as I had?
[10:33] <aytek> hi guys - i have a problem about pptp can anyone help_
[10:33] <satzgi> after install, "invalid bootsector"
[10:33] <jamey3> satzgi, yeah you need to boot the Ubuntu install CD and type rescue and then press ENTER
[10:33] <jamey3> or that's what I've been told
[10:33] <concept10> berkes, im looking for you
[10:34] <Edulix> hi !
[10:34] <Edulix> I have unmet dependencies
[10:34] <Edulix> after trying to do an apt-get -f install, I get an error:
[10:35] <Edulix> dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by xorg-driver-fglrx' clashes with `diersion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx'
[10:35] <frenchgit> I've got the driver installed and iwconfig sees the card fine, I've got the WEP key and ESSID set in kwifimanager and it shows a perfect connection strength but scanning for networks comes up with nothing
[10:35] <Edulix> and I don't even actually want to install flgrx, so whatcould I do ?
[10:35] <monchichi> Edulix: you have both the ati and nvidia drivers installed...
[10:36] <monchichi> apt-get remove  xorg-driver-fglrx
[10:36] <Silent> frenchgit - does your card have rfmon support?
[10:36] <frenchgit> yes
[10:36] <scaroo> Amaranth, ok i found out : it is in the gij-4.0 package
[10:36] <Edulix> monchichi: that's funny: "Package xorg-driver-fglrx is not installed, so not removed"
[10:37] <pgidz> frenchgit try it without a wep key and see if it works
[10:37] <frenchgit> in the /etc/network/interface file I removed the keys I set
[10:37] <Amaranth> scaroo: File a bug in malone please.
[10:37] <frenchgit> and just let kwifi deal with it
[10:38] <frenchgit> i'll try without the key...
[10:38] <Dr_Melectaus> how would i find the path to my usb adsl modem ?
[10:38] <monchichi> Edulix, hmm, were you trying to install the ati package?
[10:39] <monchichi> Dr_Melectaus, check in /dev/usb
[10:39] <Edulix> monchichi: yeah
[10:39] <Edulix> monchichi: anyway that wasn't my intention
[10:39] <monchichi> or cat /proc/bus/usb/devices
[10:39] <Edulix> monchichi: nor to have nvidia-glx, neither :P
[10:39] <monchichi> hmm
[10:40] <Edulix> I want just to install other packages, but in order to do that, it's necessary to execute apt-get -f install
[10:40] <KhaBal> wheres the conf file in ubuntu guys?
[10:40] <IceDC571> /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[10:40] <frenchgit> right, kwifi detects the network with a scan with and without a key
[10:41] <monchichi> Edulis, try dpkg --purge nvidia-glx zorg-driver-fglrx
[10:41] <Edulix> I've tried to "Package xorg-driver-fglrx is not installed, so not removed" but I get "The following packages have unmet dependencies:"
[10:41] <Edulix> ok
[10:41] <frenchgit> however in 'network settings' the card is greyed out as 'not configured'
[10:41] <monchichi> KhaBal what conf file...?
[10:42] <gm78> KhaBal, Which conf file r u looking for> There are many many different conf files in ubuntu
[10:42] <Edulix> monchichi: it seems that apt sometimes gets a bit tricky eh!
[10:42] <rob^> !java
[10:42] <monchichi> Edulix, without all my typos ...
[10:42] <ubotu> from memory, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java
[10:42] <Edulix> monchichi: of course :P
[10:42] <gm78> Edulix, Are you having problems with the nvidia drivers or something?
[10:42] <monchichi> sometimes apt gets a little confused is all :P
[10:43] <frenchgit> if I set it as 'configured' and choose dhcp with no WEP or ESSID set then the card activates fine
[10:44] <pgidz> frenchgit what card have you got
[10:44] <Edulix> gm78: nah, I was trying to install all the package from an "old" ubuntu installtion to my new one, via dpkg /path/to/var/cache/apt/archives :P
[10:44] <frenchgit> an ovislink based on the rt2500 chipset
[10:44] <frenchgit> and I'm running it on a hp nx6110 laptop
[10:44] <gm78> Edulix, ah.....is that such a good idea?
[10:45] <Edulix> gm78: in fact I have an old ati that use non of those driver mentioned but the already open source and installed one
[10:45] <frenchgit> i should mention I fiddled with setkeycodes to get the wireless button working
[10:45] <frenchgit> setkeycodes e078 129
[10:45] <Edulix> gm78: why not ? hehehe
[10:45] <frenchgit> I don't k now if that has anything to do with it..
[10:45] <gm78> Edulix, how good is the 3d on that graphics card?
[10:46] <frenchgit> in dmesg I get ra0 : no IPv6 routers present
[10:46] <Edulix> gm78: not much: "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] "
[10:46] <Edulix> (from lspci)
[10:49] <jo> hm cut breezy set up
[10:51] <frenchgit> maybe it's the key? should it have spaces?
[10:51] <monchichi> breezy is worth installing just for the flashing window list notifier
[10:51] <djp> when you run a cronjob does it create a log file anywhere?
[10:51] <monchichi> .. or mayeb not
[10:51] <pgidz> frenchgit how did you type in the key
[10:52] <djp> or do you need to give a sepcific command in the crontab?
[10:52] <frenchgit> pgidz with kwifi in the config editor
[10:53] <pgidz> frenchgit did you type it 123546 try 123-123-123-123 in that format
[10:53] <frenchgit> pgidz, ok.. hang on
[10:55] <cikilin> is hard in linux
[10:55] <lambert> hello
[10:55] <cikilin> i cant a lot
[10:55] <cikilin> :((
[10:55] <Edulix> cikilin: what is hard in linux ?
[10:56] <cikilin> i want to see a movie witch is a dvd
[10:56] <cikilin> i cant
[10:56] <frenchgit> pgidz, nope nothing changes - the network is still detected but no ip coming through
[10:57] <monchichi> cikilin.. sure you can
[10:57] <Edulix> cikilin: yeah, you need to install libdvdcss I belive
[10:57] <djp> ok. i gather to get a log file of cronjobs executed i need to add something like the following to the specific cronjob, > /home/user/cronlogs/jobs.log. would that be correct? otherwise i gather no log is created
[10:57] <cikilin> every player i install i does not working for me
[10:57] <cikilin> i installed install libdvdcss
[10:57] <Edulix> cikilin: it's not installed by default because of legal concerns. of course it could just ask you "would you like to install needed software to watch this movie ?", but ...
[10:58] <Edulix> cikilin: search for dvd in synaptic and install everything related, then open totem and try, that's what I would do hehe
[10:58] <monchichi> cikilin: is it having trouble detecting the dvd or decrypting it?
[10:59] <benplaut> \quit "goodnight everyone"
[10:59] <benplaut> woops
[10:59] <Edulix> hehe
[10:59] <Edulix> bye benplaut :)
[10:59] <cikilin> is wrirting mplayer interrupted by signal 11 in module:decode_audio
[11:00] <Edulix> cikilin: uhm did you tried with totem ?
[11:00] <cikilin> no
[11:00] <Edulix> cikilin: it's the gnome default media player
[11:00] <pgidz> frenchgit have you got a wep set on your router if so you could take it of and see if your card gets an ip
[11:00] <cikilin> Totem could not play 'file:///home/cikilin/Blade 3/Blade trinity RO by bisart.nrg'.
[11:01] <monchichi> cikilin, you might want to do sudo apt-get install totem-xine first, got better compatibility
[11:01] <monchichi> ohhh
[11:01] <monchichi> hahah
[11:01] <Edulix> nrg, what's that ? :P
[11:01] <monchichi> not a real dvd!
[11:01] <monchichi> its like an iso
[11:01] <Amaranth> cikilin: 1) that's an nrg (sort of like iso), not a movie and 2) talk about warez and pirating things is not allowed here
[11:02] <Edulix> Amaranth: who says it's warez ?
[11:02] <Edulix> Amaranth: talk about private copy, for example
[11:02] <cikilin> i took it from torent site
[11:02] <Edulix> (in my country you *are* allowed to make private copies even from other people)
[11:03] <frenchgit> pgidz, i'll try but I don't have access to the router
[11:03] <Petrov> hello
[11:04] <Edulix> cikilin: see: "nrg2iso - Extracts ISO9660 data from Nero ".nrg" files"
[11:05] <Edulix> maybe you could install that and then either mount the iso or burn it
[11:06] <Amaranth> Edulix: Look at the file name...
[11:06] <Amaranth> Edulix: Plus, he already said it was an illegal copy
[11:07] <Edulix> Amaranth: he mentioned "illegal" where ?
[11:07] <Amaranth>  <cikilin> i took it from torent site
[11:07] <monchichi> he said he took it from a torrent site..
[11:07] <djp> does anyone know if ubuntu keeps a log of cron jobs executed?
[11:07] <IceDC571> it looks like its ripped by someone too
[11:07] <monchichi> that implies that its warez.
[11:07] <Edulix> Amaranth: when you downdoad from peer to peer, you are doing a private copy (from peer to peer)
[11:08] <Amaranth> Edulix: I don't know of any country that allows you to download movies.
[11:08] <Edulix> Amaranth: Spain
[11:08] <monchichi> edulix, tell that to the CIA that busted down on a bunch of fools today
[11:08] <Amaranth> Edulix: I know Canada allows you to do it with music.
[11:08] <frenchgit> pgidz, no access to the router
[11:08] <frenchgit> damn it
[11:08] <zyth> yep, Canada rocks :)
[11:08] <pgidz> frenchgit have you tried to ping anything to see if it works
[11:09] <Edulix> well sorry for you guys, but here in spain we can do private copies (from everything but software)
[11:09] <frenchgit> i get network unreachable - no ip address i guess
[11:10] <IceDC571> so um.. convert it to an iso and view it in totem, simple as that
[11:10] <Seveas> Amaranth, Netherlands :)
[11:10] <Seveas> downloading is (still) legal here, uploading not
[11:10] <Amaranth> even if you aren't in the US, i mean
[11:11] <djp> does anyone know if ubuntu keeps a log of cron jobs executed?
[11:11] <Edulix> Amaranth: if I downloaded from a US peer being me in spain, no problem to ME
[11:11] <Amaranth> even if it was legal here i wouldn't do it
[11:11] <Seveas> Amaranth, the US peer is probably breaking the law
[11:11] <Seveas> but an ES or NL peer downloading it not
[11:11] <monchichi> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8419601/
[11:11] <IceDC571> the US peer is just stupid for wanting to share movies in the first place
[11:11] <Seveas> The downloader is breaking the implicit rules of good netizenship though :)
[11:11] <IceDC571> why cant you just buy the full quality dvd from a shop?
[11:12] <Amaranth> i buy my music off iTunes (support the artists, easier) and watch movies in the theater (their entertainment system is nicer than mine)
[11:12] <Edulix> IceDC571: that's his business :P
[11:12] <Amaranth> the US peer is breaking US law, of course
[11:12] <monchichi> Seveas, check the link, people in netherlands got rolled on too
[11:12] <Edulix> IceDC571: are you really doing that question ? maybe becuase it's not cheap ?
[11:13] <Amaranth> anyway, this is all highly off-topic and is actually one of the banned topics, so yeah
[11:13] <Edulix> hehe ok
[11:13] <Seveas> monchichi, those aren't downloaders, but crackers :)
[11:13] <IceDC571> Amaranth: would libdvdcss2 be illegal in the US?
[11:14] <monchichi> true, but they targeted crackers because they cant possibly target all the downloaders
[11:14] <IceDC571> decss i mean
[11:14] <Amaranth> yes
[11:14] <Amaranth> canada too
[11:14] <Amaranth> and much of the EU
[11:14] <Seveas> Amaranth, well, to be really strict: this kind of discussion is not one of the 'banned topics' since we're not supporting people trying to do illegal things ;)
[11:14] <sobralense> Ok ok, U have great theaters with a brand new movie playing .. but here...
[11:14] <cikilin> can anybody help me see a dvd on linux?
[11:14] <IceDC571> so how do I view dvds in linux legally? pshh..
[11:15] <Amaranth> IceDC571: You pay $30 for this program that only works on one version of one distro.
[11:15] <IceDC571> Amaranth: whats that?
[11:15] <Amaranth> IceDC571: No idea.
[11:15] <Amaranth> IceDC571: The distro is turbolinux, iirc.
[11:16] <Edulix> monchichi: maybe it was illegal to distribute the things but not to download them ?
[11:16] <IceDC571> i dont really watch dvds on the computer anyway
[11:16] <IceDC571> so i guess im good
[11:16] <ailean> you can watch dvds in linux legally by paying a royalty
[11:17] <Edulix> actually I belive some distros distribuced some parts of libdvdcss that are legal
[11:17] <Edulix> so that you can play dvd but not rip it
[11:17] <Amaranth> libdvdcss is not legal at all
[11:17] <Edulix> AMaranth: talk with linspire about that :P
[11:17] <Amaranth> Edulix: They're nuts.
[11:18] <IceDC571> lol.. linspire wont be legal for long..
[11:18] <Amaranth> Breaking the encryption to play a movie is just as illegal as breaking the encryption to rip a movie.
[11:18] <IceDC571> i cant believe walmart gave in to their deal
[11:19] <Edulix> IceDC571: I think that if they do that it's because it's legal, and they are surely more informed than me, I don't know about you...
[11:19] <Amaranth> Edulix: No, the guy that started linspire just likes to piss big people off.
[11:19] <IceDC571> linspire has been in court several times
[11:20] <monchichi> who owns the css license?
[11:20] <ailean> me
[11:20] <Amaranth> dvdcca
[11:20] <monchichi> can i watch the movies i bought?
[11:20] <monchichi> pllleease?
[11:20] <IceDC571> the css? i have no idea, decss.. no one
[11:22] <ailean> but surely the dvd libs are as legal as the openoffice word format?
[11:22] <Amaranth> no
[11:22] <ailean> openoffice have reverse engineered that, just as the dvd libs have been reverse engineered
[11:23] <IceDC571> theres things you arent supposed to reverse engineer due to copyright laws
[11:23] <Amaranth> well, i suppose you could try to get in on the DMCA's reverse engineering clause, but no one has successfully done so yet
[11:23] <IceDC571> openoffice format isnt a reversed engineered word format, they're different
[11:23] <jeroen_> ailean, maybe, but US law is fucked up
[11:23] <ailean> i know
[11:23] <jeroen_> because it is encrypted it's evil
[11:23] <Amaranth> plus iirc illegally releasing a trade secret doesn't make it lose it's trade secret status
[11:24] <Edulix> IceDC571: if it isn't reverse enginereed then how did they achieve that ?
[11:24] <ailean> online gambling is illegal - from a country with the biggest gambling industry in the world . . .
[11:24] <Amaranth> Edulix: They took the key out of a player
[11:24] <Amaranth> after that people figured out how to generate keys
[11:24] <IceDC571> reverse engineering isnt illegal until you break a copyright law
[11:24] <nico_32> hi
[11:24] <Edulix> oh
[11:24] <Amaranth> at least i think so
[11:25] <Amaranth> i could go ask jon, but i think he is sleeping :)
[11:25] <Dr_Melectaus> is there anyway to set a program back to default, for some reason gaimbittorrent aint working
[11:25] <Edulix> some countries have very controversial laws, specially the US...
[11:25] <Dr_Melectaus> gnome**
[11:25] <jeroen_> reverse engineering is legal in most European countries when done for compatability
[11:25] <IceDC571> thats why compaq reverse engineered ibm build a pc.. or whatever that thing was called before, and it was perfectly legal
[11:25] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: completely remove it in synaptic and reinstall it
[11:25] <ailean> it should be legal if only to stop market dominance
[11:25] <Dr_Melectaus> Amaranth, thanks
[11:26] <Amaranth> IceDC571: The IBM PC BIOS didn't have encryption on it
[11:26] <jeroen_> for example the Dutch copyright law clearly states that you can reverse-engineer for compatability
[11:26] <Amaranth> IceDC571: And that was a strict clean room reimplementation
[11:26] <ailean> what about wine?
[11:26] <ailean> recreating windows to run windows programs without buying windows
[11:26] <Amaranth> you can't patent, copyright, or trademark an API, wine is fine
[11:26] <kpagarigan_> hello to all
[11:26] <Edulix> hi
[11:26] <Amaranth> they aren't emulating windows
[11:27] <Amaranth> they're implementing the win32 api
[11:27] <IceDC571> wine is not an emulator ;)
[11:27] <monchichi> you can patent a double click but not an api?
[11:27] <monchichi> wow
[11:27] <ailean> no, they're trying to recreate it, no?
[11:27] <Amaranth> they aren't trying to recreate windows
[11:27] <Amaranth> that's reactos
[11:27] <ailean> the double click wasn't patented was it?? :)
[11:27] <jeroen_> ReactOS
[11:27] <monchichi> MS has the patent on the double click
[11:28] <Edulix> in fact the pantent is in n-click
[11:28] <Amaranth> ailean: clicking an input device on a mobile device a certain number of times does a certain action
[11:28] <Amaranth> that's what was patented
[11:28] <IceDC571> i love how apple still has one mouse button to make our lives miserable
[11:28] <ukato> "OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program", anybody know how i could fix that
[11:28] <Edulix> so that depending on the number of clicks you do you can configure different actions to be executed
[11:28] <LinuxNewbie> hello to all
[11:29] <Amaranth> IceDC571: It forces application developers to not have things that are only available from context menus.
[11:29] <Amaranth> IceDC571: and it's easier for a newb
[11:29] <Amaranth> ukato: kill esd
[11:29] <jeroen_> found it: Article 45m of the Dutch copyright law (auteurswet)
[11:29] <lifeless> Amaranth: one mouse button does not force that
[11:30] <lifeless> Amaranth: see for instance the apple key, option key, ctrl key and various combinations
[11:30] <LinuxNewbie> is there a way to manage the internet connection of the usernames, in ubuntu?
[11:30] <ukato> thank you amaranth
[11:30] <Amaranth> lifeless: Any Mac application that uses a context menu ('right-click menu') for something that you can't get to from anywhere else was written by morons.
[11:31] <monchichi> linuxnewbie, you have to recompile your kernel first
[11:31] <LinuxNewbie> really?
[11:31] <LinuxNewbie> how can i do that?
[11:31] <monchichi> no// i thought you were kidding
[11:32] <Amaranth> monchichi: Why do you have to recompile your kernel to disable internet access for certain users?
[11:32] <Amaranth> afaik you just have to remove them from a certain group
[11:32] <LinuxNewbie> yes
[11:32] <LinuxNewbie> that is what i want
[11:32] <monchichi> ah
[11:32] <monchichi> my apologies
[11:32] <LinuxNewbie> its ok
[11:32] <LinuxNewbie> so is there a way?
[11:33] <Prottie> how do I check the resolution of X?
[11:33] <monchichi> i think amaranth is on the right track, you need to set up groups
[11:33] <Amaranth> LinuxNewbie: Yeah, but I don't know the name of the group.
[11:33] <lifeless> Amaranth: I didn't justify it, I was pointing out that a single mouse button has NOTHING to do with that.
[11:33] <monchichi> give oly certain users access to /dev/eth0 or hatever
[11:34] <LinuxNewbie> set up groups?
[11:34] <jeroen_> (my translation): It is not seen as a violation on a work as ment in article 10, first "lid", under 12 to make a copy of the work en translating the codeform of it, provided these actions are unmissable to get the information needed to get interoperability of an independentenly made computerprogram with other computerprograms, provided [[some other stuff] ] 
[11:34] <monchichi> a group, rather
[11:34] <IceDC571> Amaranth: when are you going to be off the windows machine?
[11:34] <Amaranth> jeroen_: So you have the EU's DMCA, nice.
[11:35] <Amaranth> jeroen_: The DMCA says something about reverse engineering being okay too, no one has been crazy enough to try to test it.
[11:35] <Amaranth> IceDC571: Hopefully monday, otherwise next monday.
[11:35] <jeroen_> Amaranth, but the DMCA won't allow it when the data is encrypted, right?
[11:36] <jeroen_> I mean, they won't allow you to break the encryption, making it illegal, Amaranth
[11:36] <cion> hey guys newbie here: whats' the best folder to put large data?
[11:36] <jeroen_> cion, if it's personal data: your home folder
[11:36] <IceDC571> cion: pretty much anywhere in your home folder.. if you're using it for yourself
[11:37] <monchichi> linuxnewbie: addgroup networking;chgrp networking /dev/eth0; chmod 770 /dev/eth0
[11:37] <cion> and 2 question: do i need to run manually firestarter in order to run firewall? or is firewall running form boot already?
[11:37] <Amaranth> jeroen_: Not sure about that.
[11:37] <Edulix> jeroen_: at least the encription can't be strong, because it's not allowed (in the US) :P
[11:37] <monchichi> linuxnewbie, then add the users that you want access to the "networking" group
[11:37] <IceDC571> cion: firewall should already be running (iptables)
[11:37] <Amaranth> Edulix: strong encryption is legal
[11:37] <cion> ICE: what do u mean?
[11:37] <jeroen_> Edulix, but if you're not allowed to crack it, it's still a problem, no matter how weak
[11:38] <Edulix> jeroen_: well of course
[11:38] <Amaranth> adobe used rot13 and sucessfully used the DMCA to stop people 'cracking' it
[11:38] <IceDC571> cion: the firewall should already be running on boot, i think firestarter would tell you if its not running
[11:38] <ukato> is firestarter just a graphical front end for iptables
[11:38] <monchichi> linuxnewbie: and then youd have to run the chgrp and chmod commands at startup by adding them to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[11:38] <cion> ICe: is there a way to check if firewall is already running?
[11:38] <IceDC571> ukato: exactly.
[11:39] <ukato> icedc571, would you recommend using firestarter, or iptables
[11:39] <ukato> or does it not matter
[11:39] <IceDC571> firestarter is a GUI frontend, it wont matter
[11:39] <IceDC571> whatever is easier for you
[11:39] <ukato> oh okay
[11:39] <Edulix> Amaranth: I've read that you're not allowed to use or have strong encryption software, "it's considered more or less as risky as having a nuclear weapon"
[11:39] <ukato> thanks
[11:39] <Amaranth> This message is ROT-26 encrypted. Decryption and reading of this message is a violation of the DMCA and EUCD.
[11:40] <cion> THX all bye
[11:40] <Amaranth> Edulix: Not true at all. I have my gpg
[11:40] <Amaranth> Edulix: It used to be illegal to export strong encryption.
[11:40] <Amaranth> Edulix: That's where that quote comes from.
[11:41] <jeroen_> Amaranth, but some court ruled that encrypting data was dodgy, it could mean terrorist/criminal activity
[11:41] <Amaranth> We had the best and weren't allowed to give it out to non-friendly states.
[11:41] <Amaranth> jeroen_: It's contempt of court and jail time if you refuse to give them your key.
[11:41] <Edulix> Amaranth: ah yeah, googling I found that
[11:42] <jeroen_> Amaranth, makes no sense
[11:42] <Edulix> Amaranth: sorry for the missconception, thanks for the update ;)
[11:42] <Amaranth> jeroen_: Sure it does.
[11:42] <IceDC571> happy canada day everyone!!
[11:42] <jeroen_> IceDC571, ?
[11:42] <Amaranth> jeroen_: Encryption can't save you from the courts. They get access to everything related to the trial.
[11:43] <Edulix> jeroen_:; i've just read what Amaranth said in http://counsellingresource.com/aboutsite/securitydetails.html
[11:43] <Amaranth> jeroen_: If busted, encrypt drive with random key.
[11:43] <jeroen_> Amaranth, and how will they prove it's related?
[11:43] <Amaranth> jeroen_: If it's computer related you have to give up your key.
[11:43] <Amaranth> good talk
[11:44] <Prottie> how do I wake a cumputer after hibernate?
[11:44] <curut> hey any of u guys know what is sox pakage?
[11:44] <Prottie> a dell inspiron 510m
[11:44] <LinuxNewbie> ok mono wait
[11:44] <Edulix> curut: "universal sound sample translator"
[11:44] <LinuxNewbie> ill try what you said
[11:44] <jeroen_> Prottie, just turn it on again
[11:45] <Prottie> with the powerbutton?
[11:45] <Edulix> Prottie: press boot button and select ubuntu in grub
[11:45] <curut> i am trying to intall amsn then they say i need soc, docker, tlctls packages any of u guys know waht is it?
[11:45] <jeroen_> Prottie, yes
[11:45] <Prottie> oooh..
[11:45] <Prottie> yes it booted faster now
[11:45] <Edulix> :)
[11:45] <Prottie> so hybernate is not the same as sleep then
[11:45] <Prottie> hehe
[11:45] <jeroen_> curut, sox is for sound, docker is for traydock, tcl tk runs amsn
[11:45] <LinuxNewbie> monchi
[11:45] <jeroen_> Prottie, no
[11:45] <Edulix> PRottie: sleep keep things in ram
[11:46] <LinuxNewbie> could you give me the exact command
[11:46] <Prottie> yhis was cool
[11:46] <curut> jeroen_, y does intalling amsn need it?
[11:46] <jeroen_> Prottie, hibernate puts the stuff in ram onto the harddisk
[11:46] <Edulix> PRottie: hibernate put everything on disk and halt the computer completly
[11:46] <Prottie> okay
[11:46] <curut> jeroen_, y i mean the docker and done msn have tcl tk then? since it need it
[11:46] <jeroen_> curut, amsn is written in the tcl/tk language.
[11:46] <monchichi> linuxnewbie: sudo addgroup networking;chgrp networking /dev/eth0; chmod 770 /dev/eth0
[11:46] <jeroen_> curut, therefore it needs tcl/tk packages to be run
[11:46] <Prottie> ubuntu was very good on laptops then
[11:47] <Prottie> everything worked "out of the box"
[11:47] <monchichi> linuxnewbie: im assuming its ethernet at /dev/eth0?
[11:47] <LinuxNewbie> yes
[11:47] <nightswim> not /dev/eth0
[11:47] <nightswim> but eth0
[11:47] <jeroen_> curut, also, if you want to see display pictures with the stable version (non-CVS), you should install the things in the 'recommened' section
[11:47] <monchichi> linuxnewbie and wait
[11:47] <ukato> should ripping a CD go at the speed of the CD-ROM drive
[11:48] <ukato> or close to it
[11:48] <jsimmons> can i use aptitude to install a pack I downloaded?
[11:48] <monchichi> LinuxNewbie,  sudo addgroup networking;sudo chgrp networking /dev/eth0; sudo chmod 770 /dev/eth0
[11:48] <curut> jeroen_, oo ty the recommended section in the amsn web?
[11:48] <jsimmons> pack=package
[11:48] <jeroen_> jsimmons, maybe, but just use dpkg -i
[11:48] <jsimmons> k
[11:48] <IceDC571> ukato: it depends what your ripping speed is, usually its a bit slower than average cd drive speed
[11:48] <jeroen_> jsimmons, for example: "sudo dpkg -i packageblabla.deb" (without quotes, in a terminal)
[11:49] <monchichi> LinuxNewbie: im going to sleep now, good luck
[11:49] <ukato> icedc571, well, i'm ripping at like 3x, and i think that's kinda slow, considering the CD rom drive is 52x
[11:49] <jeroen_> curut, no, what Synaptic suggests
[11:49] <dystopia> is it possible to install hoary on a machine which is running Debian Sarge on that moment?
[11:49] <jeroen_> dystopia, you mean by dist-upgradeing?
[11:49] <IceDC571> ukato: some old drives rip slow, or maybe you might want to enable dma
[11:49] <Madeye> how to sort files by date?
[11:50] <ukato> icedc571, use "hdparm" for the enabling dma, right?
[11:50] <IceDC571> yep
[11:50] <curut> jeroen_, erm how do i see that? sry i am kinda new this is the first time i using linux
[11:50] <dystopia> jeroen_: i was thinking chroot then doing some magik? i'm wondering about the magik :)
[11:50] <mwe> maddler, ls -t
[11:51] <ukato> okay, do i have to reset anything after i enable DMA, or is it good
[11:51] <IceDC571> its good to go
[11:51] <ukato> hurray. the drive is really old so it might not work anyway, but oh well
[11:51] <ukato> anyone know of a good program that makes images from a CD
[11:51] <javier_> hello
[11:52] <javier_> i need a file please
[11:52] <LinuxNewbie> ok thanks alot
[11:52] <jeroen_> curut, In synaptic, right-click on amsn -> mark suggested for installation -> imagemagick. That'll select imagemagick for installations aswell. You don't need to install the other 3 things Amsn suggests, they're 3 different browsers (and shouldn't really show up there)
[11:52] <javier_> i need the apache2.conf
[11:52] <javier_> please
[11:53] <Edulix> javier: the default one
[11:53] <javier_> anybody sendme this file?
[11:53] <hyphenated> ukato: k3b can do it if you want a gui, or dd if you want something on the command line. there's probably plenty of other tools to do it as well
[11:53] <jeroen_> dystopia, Do you have a separate /home? It should be easy then. I don't know if dist-upgrade will work, for example because Ubuntu uses Xorg and Debian Xfree
[11:53] <jeroen_> javier_, you don't have a backup, like apache2.conf~ ?
[11:53] <ukato> hyphenated, ok, thanks
[11:53] <Edulix> javier_: sorry I haven't got it installed
[11:54] <javier_> no sorry
[11:54] <Edulix> javier_: you might just extract it from the deb package, I think
[11:54] <javier_> the file is corrupt
[11:54] <Edulix> javier_:  the deb package ?
[11:54] <dystopia> jeroen_: no but i could make an image there or sth, the problem is my CD writer only writer 650 MB CDs and i don't have those anymore, i have no floppy drive, i don't know how to do netboot on x86, and i need ubuntu on it for someone else to use that comp b/c i won't be able to admin it for her
[11:54] <Edulix> then redowload it
[11:55] <javier_> i uninstall apache2 but i install now and this file not create the system
[11:55] <javier_> im spanish
[11:55] <javier_> sorry my inglish is very bad
[11:55] <Edulix> javier_: no pasa nada ;)
[11:55] <wdh> javier_, join #ubuntu-es then :)
[11:56] <javier_> gracias
[11:56] <ateves> is there a nice editor for gnome that has different syntax highlightings like notepad++ or weaverslave?
[11:56] <nightswim> vim
[11:56] <ateves> vim is only console based, right?
[11:57] <wdh> ateves, several.. i guess you will find a few in synaptic
[11:57] <curut> jeroen_, oo ty hey erm... i got problem installing ^^, the msg say setting up amsn.....      then nothing happen
[11:57] <dystopia> jeroen_: else, do you have cd writer? i pay 5 EUR for a CD+shipping. Living in NL..
[11:57] <mwe> use gvim if you don't like the console
[11:57] <jeroen_> dystopia, I wouldn't know what to do then..
[11:58] <jeroen_> dystopia, you can order Free CDs at www.shipit.ubuntulinux.org, but they might take a while to arrive
[11:58] <dystopia> yea, takes too long:>
[11:58] <jeroen_> dystopia, I live in NL aswell
[11:58] <rootbeer> i just ordered those freebies.. I can't wait to distro them to friends now!
[11:58] <jeroen_> curut, are you sure?
[11:58] <jeroen_> curut, it might take a while
[11:58] <wdh> ateves, gedit seems to have a lot of syntax highlighting :)
[11:58] <Vinh->  /msg nickserv link vinh fuck
[11:58] <Vinh-> fuck
[11:59] <wdh> jeroen_, where in NL?
[11:59] <jeroen_> wdh, Noord-Brabant
[11:59] <frenchgit> thanks for your help pgidz
[11:59] <wdh> uhm... actially that was for dystopia :)
[11:59] <wdh> dystopia, where in NL do you live?
[11:59] <dystopia> landgraaf
[12:00] <curut> jeroen_, hmm i check at synaptic, amsn is included there but i cant seem to find the executable
[12:00] <Dreco> Question: I am trying to get Gnopernicus to work, I can hear system and click sounds but no speech. If I click on tesst voice, I also hear no speech. Advice please ?
[12:00] <jeroen_> curut, you just run "amsn"
[12:00] <Dreco> Sorry in specific the screen reader
[12:00] <jeroen_> curut, isn't it in the menu? Apps -> internet -> amsn
[12:00] <rootbeer> stupid question.. but anyone recommend a antivirus prgm for ubuntu?
[12:01] <Seveas> rootbeer, clamav
[12:01] <curut> jeroen_, ok lol nvm i am just asking dumb question hahahah
[12:01] <wdh> dystopia, i have no problems sending you a cd..
[12:01] <jeroen_> curut, :p
[12:01] <rootbeer> Seveas, thx
[12:01] <ukato> do i need antivirus and anti spyware
[12:01] <curut> jeroen_, o ty very much for ur help i learned alot abt linux today hahahha i am head to bed and continue tomorrow
[12:01] <Dreco> Seveas, does clamav run "live" or does it manually have to be run to scan ?
[12:01] <jeroen_> curut, good night
[12:02] <Seveas> Dreco, no idea :)
[12:02] <Seveas> never used it
[12:02] <Dreco> lol ok
[12:02] <ukato> seveas, what do you use
[12:02] <Seveas> Common Sense :)
[12:02] <Dreco> Question: I am trying to get Gnopernicus to work, I can hear system and click sounds but no speech. If I click on tesst voice, I also hear no speech for the screen reader.
[12:02] <ukato> ha
[12:02] <mwe> wherer can you dl that?
[12:02] <mwe> :)
[12:03] <ukato> seveas, for someone new to linux, might it be a good idea to get antivirus or antispyware
[12:03] <wdh> ukato, nope
[12:03] <Seveas> ukato, indeed
[12:03] <ukato> :|
[12:03] <Seveas> especially if they run a mailserver
[12:03] <Seveas> otherwise not really ;)
[12:03] <wdh> uhm.. yes.. on a server it might be usefull :)
[12:04] <ukato> oh ok
[12:04] <jeroen_> the risk of viruses and spyware on a linux system is quite low
[12:04] <wdh> but only to protect windows machines :)
[12:04] <jeroen_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/ ukato
[12:04] <ukato> that would only be my brother's, and serves him right :P
[12:04] <Seveas> lol :)
[12:04] <Dreco> guys any help with sound and gnopernicus please...
[12:05] <Seveas> Dreco, the obvious thing to look for is whether Gnopernicus ie set to use ESD
[12:05] <Dreco> I understand its not something most ppl use
[12:06] <ukato> jeroen_, whoa, those numbers are pretty crazy
[12:06] <mazemaster> hello
[12:07] <mazemaster> I am having trouble getting my netgear pa101 usb phoneline network card working with ndiswrapper. I am also a linux noob.
[12:07] <Dreco> Seveas, I dont see that option anywhere under the preferences
[12:08] <mazemaster> I followed the tutorial at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[12:09] <mazemaster> basically it amounted to compiling ndiswrapper-1.2, and then trying to get it to install the windows drivers
[12:11] <mazemaster> when I run ndiswrapper -l, I get "bcm42u driver present, hardware present" (as expected), and I added ndiswrapper to /etc/modules, but upon restart I don't think it it loading correctly
[12:12] <Seveas> mazemaster, what does ifconfig -a say?
[12:12] <crysss> Where can I find information about which gcc version and options where used for amd64 packages?
[12:12] <mazemaster> uhm, i dont know. im on dual boot, i would have to restart to find out
[12:13] <mazemaster> under the "network config thing" (adminstration -> network), it shows my ethernet card, but not the pa101
[12:15] <mazemaster> I was guessing that if everything worked correctly it would show wlan0 there, except all it shows is the elao0 which is my standard network card
[12:15] <Dreco> there is nothing on the forums even for gnopernicus
[12:16] <mazemaster> crysss, is it worth restarting to find out what ipconfig -a says?
[12:16] <rob^> is anyone else having problems reading dvd+r that they just burnt?
[12:17] <rob^> cdr are no problem, just dvds
[12:17] <Whistler> HI
[12:18] <Whistler> is there any software to create flash movies on ubuntu?
[12:20] <mazemaster> Can anyone help me with ndiswrapper?
[12:21] <bobbyd_> hi, does anyone know of a tool that will compare local and remote (ftp) directories for differences?
[12:21] <Dr_Melectaus> gnomebittorrent doesnt seem to be working :-\
[12:23] <ukato> thanks for everyone's help
[12:23] <ukato> night all
[12:24] <Whistler> Dr_Melectaus use azureus
[12:24] <ateves> i don't get it! when i set the path with my java sdk directory, it works fine until i close the consle, then it says "command not found" again
[12:25] <ateves> and i have to set it up again
[12:25] <Dr_Melectaus> Whistler, can i apt-get azureus
[12:26] <administrador> hola
[12:28] <Whistler> Dr_Melectaus sudo apt-get install azureus
[12:31] <Choubaka> since when has azu been apt-gettable? :/
[12:31] <Choubaka> It depends on Sun's newest java.
[12:31] <goldfish_> when u add those sources from that site we're not allowed mention
[12:31] <Dr_Melectaus> nah it aint apt getting
[12:31] <Choubaka> goldfish_: oh, haha
[12:32] <goldfish_> noice
[12:32] <Choubaka> Only one ubuntu running anymore :/
[12:32] <fge> Choubaka, your nick is very similar to Chewbacca in Star Wars univewrse. Interesting
[12:32] <Choubaka> fge: You only think it is.
[12:33] <Choubaka> fge: It isn't.
[12:33] <fge> ok
[12:33] <zenwhen> o
[12:33] <Choubaka> fge: I get that a lot nonetheless.
[12:33] <Dreco> Question; I am able to vnc out from a ubuntu machine but can not vnc in to that machine, connection refused, I have never had problems with vnc before on new installations
[12:33] <lordi_> Hi, is there a tool to sync directories?
[12:33] <nightswim> rsync
[12:34] <lordi_> thx
[12:37] <ricjd> hey, does anyone know where i can download the w32codecs sources on the net?
[12:38] <ricjd> or even better, can anyone tell me how i can get apt-get to install them when i have extra repostiries? i'm on amd 64
[12:38] <Prottie> hmmmm dont think the sources are availible. I guess you are talking about the codecs for mplayer?
[12:39] <ricjd> yeah, i'm having a right 'mare. apt-get won't install them, something to do with them not being avalible for amd64 i think
[12:41] <emilio> (spanish)i have a problem with the mbr .can i to installar grub from the cd ubuntu
[12:41] <tombs> good morning everyone
[12:43] <yuval> Will Breezy be realesed with debian-installer? Will the live-cd's graphical installer be ready for Breezy? Thanks
[12:44] <lifeless> yuval: is that one question or two ?
[12:44] <yuval> two :-)
[12:44] <lifeless> AIUI we're staying with d-i for breezy, and no.
[12:45] <lifeless> but - I'm not tracking this specifically, grain of salt rules apply.
[12:45] <jo> 2.6.12-3-amd64-generic #1 Tue Jun 28 15:24:36 BST 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:45] <lifeless> have a look at udu.wiki.ubuntu.com at the GraphicalInstaller spec though, it should be tracking status.
[12:45] <jo> br was bit hardt
[12:46] <yuval> lifeless: Thanks.
[12:47] <sickness> hello
[12:47] <sickness> hello
[12:47] <sickness> Hi I just installed ubuntu and it never asked me for a root password or admin password
[12:47] <sickness> any ideas?
[12:47] <sickness> i t would be nice to suid root heh
[12:47] <Whistler> it isnt supposed to ask pass
[12:47] <ricjd> it's ben disabled, everything is done through sudo
[12:48] <sickness> hmmm so there is no troot user?
[12:48] <sickness> whats the point of that?
[12:48] <ricjd> it tells you how to enable it here http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword
[12:49] <Seveas> ricjd, DO NOT give bad advise
[12:49] <Seveas> sickness: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[12:50] <sickness> k
[12:50] <sickness> I understand what sudo is
[12:50] <Seveas> sickness, ubuntu uses sudo by default, you can get a root shell with sudo -i
[12:50] <Seveas> sickness, ok, most people that ask in here don't :)
[12:51] <sickness> I am asuming the ability to utilize the sudo command is controled through the /etc/group file?
[12:51] <Choubaka> sickness: no.
[12:51] <Seveas> sickness, no
[12:51] <Choubaka>  /etc/suid.conf
[12:51] <Seveas> it's /etc/sudoers
[12:51] <Choubaka> eh
[12:52] <Choubaka> sudoers :P
[12:52] <Choubaka> damn tabcomplete ;P
[12:52] <Seveas> sickness, and in Hoary, partially in /etc/group: members of the 'admin' group have full access :)
[12:53] <Choubaka> use "visudo" to edit the sudoers file though.
[12:54] <sickness> hmmm I will have to read up
[12:54] <emilio> good mornig
[12:54] <Whistler> is there any software to create flash movies on ubuntu?
[12:55] <Choubaka> I would be grateful if there were even a proper flash plugin :P
[12:55] <thisfred> Whistler, there's Ming, (not ubuntu specific) but that's pretty basic
[12:55] <rob^> anyone had problems burning dvd+r's?
[12:55] <rob^> I cant get mine to work properly
[12:55] <rob^> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=236830#post236830
[12:56] <emilio> how do i go to canal spanish,please  i do not know well the program ircap
[12:56] <mjr> rob^, no problems with growisofs (from dvd+rwtools)
[12:56] <Nermal>  /join #ubuntu-es
[12:56] <mjr> haven't tried the other stuff
[12:56] <Seveas> emilio, type: /join #ubuntu-es
[12:56] <emilio> thank you
[12:56] <rob^> mjr, the details are on that url
[12:57] <rob^> if your intrested
[12:57] <mjr> yeah, seems so; sorry, don't know about that
[12:57] <mjr> anyway, it shouldn't require any extra settings or anything
[12:57] <carsten> Moin. I don't find the package with which "mail" comes. Does anybody know?
[12:57] <rob^> I wouldnt think so either, but its not happening..
[12:57] <mjr> rob^, though perchance you might want to check that dma is enabled
[12:58] <rob^> it is, does it need to be off?
[12:58] <mjr> rob^, no
[12:58] <mjr> but still of course you might try the other setting, if your drive and the linux dvd driver are quarreling a bit with it on
[12:59] <mjr> (my NEC burns fine both ways)
[12:59] <rob^> I'm getting a lot of these: :-? the LUN appears to be stuck writing LBA=2940h, retry in 70ms
[01:00] <LinuxNewbie> hello
[01:00] <mjr> yep, don't know anything about that
[01:00] <LinuxNewbie> is there a site that i can go to for the step by step tutorials of sharing the internet connection using squid?
[01:00] <rob^> its the only thing of note I can see
[01:00] <LinuxNewbie> i cant seem to find one
[01:01] <rob^> and then something about Close Session failed
[01:01] <rob^> resource temp unavailable
[01:01] <Seveas> LinuxNewbie, squid does not share the internet connection...
[01:01] <LinuxNewbie> ah?
[01:01] <LinuxNewbie> so its a proxy?
[01:01] <Seveas> linuxboy, with FireStarter you can very easily set connection sharing up...
[01:02] <Seveas> LinuxNewbie, indeed :)
[01:02] <LinuxNewbie> ah?
[01:02] <LinuxNewbie> ok where can i get firestarter?
[01:03] <LinuxNewbie> what is the command?
[01:03] <LinuxNewbie> usually its sudo right?
[01:03] <joachim> arg! the BOINC GUI app just CRASHED my system. *grrr*
[01:03] <Seveas> sudo aptitude install firestarter
[01:03] <Seveas> and then applications -> internet -> firestarter
[01:03] <Whistler> sudo apt-get install firestarter
[01:03] <Whistler> :
[01:03] <rob^> bbs
[01:03] <Whistler> :)
[01:04] <Hoxzer_> http://irc-galleria.net/view.php?nick=Kiran&image_id=14362293 <-this thing is fully natural and there is nonthing perverted
[01:04] <LinuxNewbie> ok now its installing
[01:04] <LinuxNewbie> got a another question
[01:05] <LinuxNewbie> is there a way to manage the internet connections of students usernames?
[01:05] <Whistler> whats the diference between apt-get and aptitude?
[01:05] <Seveas> LinuxNewbie, what do you mean..?
[01:05] <sly> Mooooooooorning
[01:05] <LinuxNewbie> like a certain username can have internet and the other dont
[01:05] <Seveas> Whistler, aptitude is better at uninstalling unneeded dependencies
[01:06] <Seveas> Whistler, and it has an ncurses interface :)
[01:06] <Seveas> LinuxNewbie, hmm, that might be a bit difficult...
[01:06] <Whistler> Seveas ok thx :)
[01:06] <Dr_Melectaus> nn
[01:06] <LinuxNewbie> or better yet is there another distro that can do that
[01:07] <slept> LinuxNewbie, for modems there is a group called dialout
[01:07] <Seveas> LinuxNewbie, i don't think so...
[01:07] <Seveas> slept, but that is not for general 'internet access'...
[01:08] <LinuxNewbie> ah ok
[01:08] <LinuxNewbie> men the terminal have finish installing firestarter
[01:08] <LinuxNewbie> but i cant see it in the application>internet
[01:09] <sly> system tools
[01:09] <LinuxNewbie> tnx men
[01:10] <morgs> Hi, I need help with onboard sound using via82cxxxx...
[01:10] <LinuxNewbie> men what do you think about red hat?
[01:11] <LinuxNewbie> do you think its ok?
[01:11] <joachim> what does CTRL-ALT-ESC do in GNOME?
[01:11] <LinuxNewbie> got some quick question again
[01:12] <LinuxNewbie> when you use the sudo get-apt install [the feature] 
[01:12] <LinuxNewbie> does it search the internet for that feature
[01:12] <LinuxNewbie> like the firestarter?
[01:13] <joachim> LinuxNewbie, it looks in the repository which is on the net
[01:13] <joachim> though actually, AFAIK it searches your local copy of the database
[01:13] <joachim> ... which is why you have to do update too
[01:13] <LinuxNewbie> ah?
[01:13] <morgs> LinuxNewbie: you can see all the packages in Synaptic Package Manager. "sudo apt-get install ..." is the command line equivalent.
[01:14] <LinuxNewbie> ah?
[01:14] <CarlFK> how can I tell if a box is hoary or breezy?
[01:14] <LinuxNewbie> so whats the difference between the terminal anf the root termianl?
[01:15] <CarlFK> duh.. apt sources...
[01:15] <jaga> hi
[01:15] <slept> LinuxNewbie, it looks on a local   database which you update with apt-get update, you can search the database with apt-cache search
[01:15] <christos_> has anyone installed scilab?
[01:15] <jaga> is any one who will help me in making my songs to play in my ubuntu
[01:15] <jaga> i just installed
[01:15] <jaga> i do not know
[01:15] <morgs> LinuxNewbie: terminal runs as your normal user, and root terminal runs as the user "root" which has administative powers.
[01:15] <jaga> its wont play any music
[01:15] <jaga> i am quite bord
[01:15] <LinuxNewbie> ah?
[01:16] <markuman> at the moment i have a nvidia card with "nv" driver under xorg. can i switch to an ATI card without changing something in xorg?
[01:16] <LinuxNewbie> what is this that you said a while ago?
[01:16] <LinuxNewbie>  apt-cache
[01:16] <jaga> my wireless lan is alsonot working
[01:16] <slept> LinuxNewbie, you can try in terminal with --help
[01:17] <slept> or man apt-cache
[01:17] <morgs> LinuxNewbie: apt-cache looks in your local database (cache) of packages.
[01:18] <slept> markuman, no you'll have to install restricted modules and change xorg-driver to fglrx
[01:18] <LinuxNewbie> i need to install some cache?
[01:19] <markuman> what kind of restricet modules?
[01:19] <markuman> i don't need 3D support for the first. is fglrx the same like nv is for nvidia cards?
[01:21] <morgs> LinuxNewbie: no, it's automatic. You can manage installed packages using Synaptic Package Manager, or you can do it with the command line. If you use the command line, apt-cache is the command to search through the local database (or cache) of the list of packages that you can install over the net.
[01:21] <{Seb}> where is the Xorg.log located?
[01:21] <{Seb}> after upgrading to breezy
[01:21] <slept> markuman, then you can use ati, if you want to use the nonfree driver you can find out your kernel version with uname -r and search for linux-restricted-modules-... install those with your kernelversion at the end
[01:21] <{Seb}> when i login i get nothing
[01:22] <{Seb}> any ideas?
[01:22] <LinuxNewbie> ah?
[01:22] <LinuxNewbie> ic
[01:22] <slept> {Seb} use locate ... and look at the topic
[01:22] <LinuxNewbie> thnx alot
[01:23] <markuman> ok thx slept
[01:23] <morgs> I'm trying to get sound working on a via onboard soundcard on hoary - no luck. Anyone got suggestions?
[01:23] <LinuxNewbie> sev
[01:23] <LinuxNewbie> got a question
[01:24] <Prottie> morgs: where does it stops?
[01:24] <Prottie> does the module loads okay?
[01:24] <LinuxNewbie> is it possible that XP clients to connect to the ubuntu server that i have?
[01:24] <Prottie> LinuxNewbie: yeah. through putty
[01:24] <Prottie> (ssh)
[01:24] <LinuxNewbie> like the host name that i specified is like the Domain name server right?
[01:25] <Prottie> aaaah with smb you meen?
[01:25] <Whistler> is there any way to know my fsb?
[01:25] <Prottie> you need to configure the samba-server then
[01:25] <morgs> Prottie: I have snd_via82xx and snd_ac97_codec loaded
[01:25] <joachim> what's a bittorrent metafile?
[01:25] <Prottie> LinuxNewbie: search on google for samba howtos. there are tons that is made like abcs
[01:26] <Prottie> morgs: okay. I dont know which modules are right... checked with alsamixer that the channels arent muted?
[01:26] <morgs> Prottie: I get no sound, just a buzz. All apps work without errors, just no actual sound.
[01:26] <LinuxNewbie> ok
[01:27] <Seveas> joachim, a file with a name ending in .torrent that describes what you can download with it and where
[01:27] <Whistler> is there any way to find out my fsb?
[01:27] <morgs> Prottie: I've checked alsamixer, and the default volume control, nothing muted.
[01:27] <joachim> the GTK bittorrent client is asking me for one on my HD, and won't run unless it gets one!!
[01:27] <Prottie> morgs: okay. sounds like it is muted then.
[01:27] <Prottie> oooh okay...
[01:27] <Prottie> hmmm strange
[01:28] <Prottie> morgs: then I dont know... sorry.
[01:28] <Whistler> is there any way to find out my fsb?
[01:28] <morgs> Prottie: what's a good app to test with? I have xmms, but I'm not sure if it's using alsa or esd or oss...
[01:29] <jaga> hi
[01:29] <Whistler> anybody knows how can i find out my fsb?
[01:29] <jaga> will any one help me to configer my misc
[01:29] <jaga> its not playing
[01:31] <LinuxNewbie> have another question
[01:31] <Prottie> morgs: you can check in the config what xmms use. but I am not sure if xmms supports alsa. load alsas oss-module.
[01:31] <LinuxNewbie> when you create users in ubuntu
[01:31] <Nermal> oh good!
[01:31] <sly> hmm recomended appz for burning video-dvd , and please dont say k3b :)
[01:31] <LinuxNewbie> i cant find the option that the user change thier password
[01:31] <LinuxNewbie> upon logon?
[01:32] <Nermal> LinuxNewbie, probably isn't an option...
[01:32] <LinuxNewbie> its a command?
[01:32] <Nermal> unless you do man useradd
[01:32] <Nermal> and see
[01:32] <Prottie> LinuxNewbie: tell them to run passwd. dont know of an automated way.
[01:32] <Nermal> Whistler, bios
[01:33] <LinuxNewbie> even though they are in a windows XP?
[01:33] <LinuxNewbie> they can have access to commands in linux?
[01:33] <Prottie> LinuxNewbie: still talking about the sambasetup?
[01:34] <LinuxNewbie> nope
[01:34] <LinuxNewbie> i found the samba setup
[01:34] <Prottie> well... what do you mean when saying "in XP" then?
[01:34] <LinuxNewbie> now for the users im creating
[01:34] <LinuxNewbie> my clients are XP
[01:34] <Prottie> they are going to login to the sambaserver then?
[01:34] <LinuxNewbie> ubuntu is the server
[01:34] <Prottie> and use it as a domain controler?
[01:34] <LinuxNewbie> ah?
[01:35] <Nermal> oh _dear_
[01:35] <Prottie> you have to tell us what you are trying to do :)
[01:35] <LinuxNewbie> so its not the ubuntu will be the domain controller
[01:35] <LinuxNewbie> samba will
[01:35] <Nermal> well duh
[01:35] <Prottie> LinuxNewbie: ubuntu is only the distro
[01:35] <Nermal> ubuntu is just a linux distro
[01:35] <enrico> hello everybody
[01:35] <Nermal> not a package
[01:35] <LinuxNewbie> sorry about that
[01:36] <LinuxNewbie> im a windows server user
[01:36] <Nermal> lol
[01:36] <Prottie> LinuxNewbie: no worries. but I would recomend you do some reading about samba.
[01:36] <LinuxNewbie> thats why im very new in linux
[01:36] <Prottie> samba is what you want.
[01:36] <Nermal> you can use windows as a server?
[01:36] <enrico> LinuxNewbie: distribution := collection of packages, meant to work -well- together.
[01:36] <Nermal> people do that ?
[01:36] <Nermal> jeez
[01:36] <LinuxNewbie> windows server 2003
[01:36] <jind> Ihttp://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=21455 <- Can anybody successfully use this app?
[01:36] <Nermal> ah.. that marketing package
[01:36] <LinuxNewbie> thats why im associating some feature there
[01:36] <LinuxNewbie> to linux
[01:37] <Nermal> too many n00bs
[01:37] <jind> I can use the dvd to watch movies with mplayer, so the dvdrom works. But I can't use that particular program
[01:37] <Prottie> hehe
[01:37] <enrico> did anybody have some problems (breezy) with xorg (too many levels of symbolic links)?
[01:37] <LinuxNewbie> ok now here is what i want to do
[01:37] <LinuxNewbie> ive created shared folders in samba for my users
[01:38] <LinuxNewbie> and ive created some users in system, administratrion, users
[01:38] <Will__> Question: Is there an easy way to 'bridge' 2 network connections? I have a wireless card, and an ethernet card, and I would like to connect the 2, to allow machines connected to the ethernet card to gain access to the network beyond the wireless card (including my DHCP server downstairs)
[01:38] <Myrtti> having breezy equals to suicidal tendencies
[01:39] <Myrtti> sorry, my opinion
[01:39] <rob^> Myrtti, I agree
[01:39] <LinuxNewbie> so the users that ive created in user groups dont have any connection in samba?
[01:39] <holycow> Burgundavia, you around?
[01:39] <enrico> yeah i know .. but now is really too late.
[01:39] <enrico> ive installed it.
[01:39] <enrico> actually .. ive upgraded it.
[01:39] <rasputnik> Will__: yeah, you need to enable packet forwarding
[01:40] <LinuxNewbie> so samba is a separate software all together
[01:40] <rasputnik> Will__: google for 'ip masqerade'
[01:40] <Will__> rasputnik: That should do me, thanks
[01:40] <LinuxNewbie> jesus i though linux is like windows servers
[01:41] <LinuxNewbie> like windows NT, 2003 etx
[01:41] <goldfish_> .....
[01:41] <holycow> LinuxNewbie, the ideal statet of being is to look at windows
[01:41] <holycow> and do the exact opposite of it
[01:41] <holycow> thank god linux does nothing like windows
[01:41] <LinuxNewbie> hahaha...
[01:41] <LinuxNewbie> shame on me
[01:42] <Prottie> hehe
[01:42] <holycow> indeed
[01:42] <holycow> -_-
[01:42] <Originoo> i would like to use ubuntu with gnome and kde. should i install kubuntu first and apt-get all the gnome stuff? or is it the same if i would install ubuntu first and then the kde stuff? (Im askin' because of bugs etc.)
[01:42] <Prottie> LinuxNewbie: hold on I will find a very good book you can print!
[01:42] <enrico> LinuxNewbie: you should better pretend to like holycow sayings :)
[01:42] <Will__> rasputnik: With linux I've found as soon as somebody more experienced in a particulat area gives me a key word to search for, my problem is solved. Thanks again
[01:42] <rob^> heh trust Nerolinux to solve my dvd burning problems
[01:42] <LinuxNewbie> so linux gathers different softwares and make them work all together
[01:42] <holycow> or else!
[01:42] <holycow> right enrico ?
[01:42] <LinuxNewbie> so thats the idea right
[01:42] <holycow> >_>
[01:43] <enrico> holycow: ;)
[01:43] <Riddell> Originoo: it's the same either way
[01:43] <holycow> LinuxNewbie, better way to state that is the unix philosophy
[01:43] <holycow> a single tool for a single job, that does the job well
[01:43] <Originoo> Riddell: thx
[01:43] <sktrdie> could anyone help me, I need to reinstall Xorg but I don't know how apt-get works
[01:43] <LinuxNewbie> hahaha...
[01:43] <holycow> the compartmentalization results in robust, stable, scalable, interchangeable systems
[01:43] <holycow> you can get linux to do anything
[01:43] <Originoo> man apt-get :)
[01:43] <LinuxNewbie> i got the idea now
[01:44] <enrico> sktrdie: what's the problem?
[01:44] <holycow> windows has been catching up to unix for the last 25 years essentially
[01:44] <holycow> linux is merely a 'reingeneering' of the unix toolsets and philosophy
[01:44] <Prottie> LinuxNewbie: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/Samba-Guide.pdf print and read this one. it is very good if you want to learn samba.
[01:44] <holycow> and with the freedom, new tools are bein built
[01:44] <holycow> LinuxNewbie, as a very very simple example
[01:44] <rasputnik> Will__: np :) technically you dont need masquerade ( NAT )unless you are trying to let multiple machines share a single ip, but it'll get you lots of good howtos
[01:45] <jaga> hi
[01:45] <Will__> There is something sacred to me about this, my first ubuntu install. Everything so far has just *worked*
[01:45] <holycow> lets say you get a virus/spyware on a windows system and it hoses msie
[01:45] <jaga> will any one help me installing my sound player
[01:45] <jaga> to ubuntu
[01:45] <holycow> LinuxNewbie, how do you fix it?
[01:45] <jaga> its giveng me problme
[01:45] <sktrdie> enrico: for example If i try doing apt-get install mplayer
[01:45] <holycow> answer: you cant you haveto reinstall the whole system because they shoved a tool into the os that doesn't belong there
[01:45] <LinuxNewbie> ok now
[01:45] <holycow> you can't just take ie out and reinstall/repair/etc. right?
[01:45] <Will__> rasputnik: I've usually let ipcop deal with firewall/packet forwarding issues for me. Perhaps today I will learn how to do it myself
[01:45] <holycow> with linux, you can pull any component out, look at it, fix it, config it, etc.
[01:45] <enrico> sktrdie: use aptitude, its better for back-dependencies, you should do "sudo aptitude search whatyoursearching"
[01:46] <holycow> so a: windows is simply a poor set of tools
[01:46] <enrico> sktrdie: then "sudo aptitude install therightname"
[01:46] <holycow> but it also is b: a set of gui wizards that automate most basic tasks
[01:46] <sktrdie> enrico: I think that my X is configured properly, I would like to reinstall it.. how do I do it
[01:46] <holycow> the consequence of b: is that people are tricked into thinking that its okay to be stupid and ignorant
[01:46] <enrico> sktrdie: reinstall it or just reconfigure it?
[01:46] <sktrdie> reisntall
[01:46] <holycow> that you can operate something as complicated as an os with no training / learning /thinking at all
[01:46] <enrico> sktrdie: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg for reconfiguring
[01:46] <holycow> and that simply is not true
[01:47] <rasputnik> Will__:  I confess I've never done it in Linux land (I'm a BSD guy, I've only just come back to Linux). But the priciples involved are universal
[01:47] <holycow> so yes, some windows users are put off by linux, primarily because they can no longer be lazy
[01:47] <jaga> will some one give me help to configer my cd player
[01:47] <sktrdie> enrico: reinstall?
[01:47] <holycow> it's a combination of primarily those two that make microsoft a hazard to everyone
[01:47] <enrico> sktrdie: and "sudo aptitude remove xserver-xorg; sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg"
[01:47] <LinuxNewbie> ok can firestarter monitor the website visited on each computer
[01:47] <holycow> otherwise its a company of some very smart and talented people
[01:47] <Will__> rasputnik: I'm BSD also. I turned to ubuntu as...Linux makes a nicer desktop. I can see my BSD server from here. It needs to connect to the net though this box though
[01:47] <Originoo> I've heared there would be some problems when i remove sudo, is it true? i don't like to use sudo...
[01:48] <LinuxNewbie> or buy each log in to samba?
[01:48] <LinuxNewbie> by i mean
[01:48] <Will__> LinuxNewbie: What was your original problem? I think I walked in half-way though this
[01:48] <sktrdie> enrico: ok I'll try that... but yet if i try doing apt-get install mplayer, it installs mplayer, but I dunno how to open it, If I do mpalyer in terminal it wont work
[01:48] <rasputnik> holycow: but a lot of people just want to Get Things Done, don't they? I don't think it's fair to expect them to be gurus. M$ main failing is that they pretend you don't need to know anything
[01:48] <enrico> sktrdie: try mplayer --help
[01:48] <LinuxNewbie> ok will now
[01:49] <CarlFK> Originoo - I don't like to lock my front door, but I got used to it.  you sould keep using sudo untill you get used to it
[01:49] <Will__> sktrdie: I thought the package was mplayer-386 ?
[01:49] <enrico> sktrdie: never used it.
[01:49] <sktrdie> enrico: It doesnt find
[01:49] <holycow> rasputnik, then they shouldn't promise them the world, and lock the thing down
[01:49] <enrico> sktrdie: ahh ok, so its not installed.
[01:49] <Will__> Originoo: You could use su. Maybe setup a shortcut to a root terminal?
[01:49] <jaga> no i never used sktrdie
[01:49] <enrico> sktrdie: maybe you mispelled the package name .. search the right name .. with "sudo aptitude search mplayer"
[01:49] <jaga> i am trying it now
[01:49] <holycow> rasputnik, as well, 'just works' and 'just get something done' is highly subjective
[01:50] <rasputnik> Will__: I'd say they should either sell a black box or a hacker toy, instead of requiring Grannies to understand the danger of DLL conflicts
[01:50] <holycow> a programmers definition of a workflow that fits that will be entirely different from a graphic designers
[01:50] <holycow> as well as a system administrators
[01:50] <sktrdie> enrico: ok the one I isntalled is mplayer-powerpc
[01:50] <holycow> the problem is not 'just get it done', the problem is the user is taught that they can be a system administrator
[01:50] <sktrdie> but if I type "mplayer-powerpc
[01:50] <sktrdie> enrico: nothing happens
[01:50] <LinuxNewbie> is there a software in linux can act up like users can log in to ubuntu ang monitor what they are doing?
[01:50] <enrico> sktrdie: type "mplay" and the press tab
[01:50] <jaga> "sudo aptitude search mplayer" this does not mach any thing
[01:50] <holycow> and a system administrator, like say any other specialty, like a mechanic or a doctor, requires training and knowledge
[01:50] <Will__> Windows isn't that difficult to use or configure. You can do some great things. But it is harder to really understand.
[01:50] <sktrdie> enrico: nope
[01:51] <rasputnik> holycow: I'm really talking about end users who just want a platform to run their life on, be it web/mail/doc editing or CAD
[01:51] <Will__> holycow has a point. I think people are mislead into thinking they can do everything, easily
[01:51] <holycow> i.e. you are either a user or an administrator, just don't like to the user that they can be administrators by merely buying a licence to run an os
[01:51] <holycow> rasputnik, exactly.  but thats just one workflow.
[01:51] <Will__> Should I be drinking 6 shots of espresso for lunch?
[01:51] <sktrdie> o well... enrico: also sound isnt working :(
[01:51] <LinuxNewbie> there is no software that can monitor the client computers
[01:52] <sktrdie> enrico: also do you know where the kernel is located in Ubuntu? I thought it was always /usr/src/linux
[01:52] <LinuxNewbie> like what they are doing, what website they are in
[01:52] <holycow> as a user that wants that workflow to 'just work' he should buy a preinstalled system, installed by someone who knows, managed by someone who understands
[01:52] <enrico> sktrdie: hoary?
[01:52] <holycow> a user without training has no business installing software, setting up firewalls, etc.
[01:52] <sktrdie> yea
[01:52] <jaga> sorry i could not find mplayer
[01:52] <holycow> i realize i'm stating it too black and white, there are shades of grey here, but system administration is not a joke
[01:52] <rasputnik> holycow: but that's true in all OSes, isn't it? you can be clueless on any platform :)
[01:52] <enrico> try typing alsamixer
[01:52] <holycow> its not something you pick up on a weekend
[01:52] <holycow> rasputnik, right exactly
[01:52] <holycow> :)
[01:53] <sktrdie> enrico: that works... I mean if i open XMMS it only runs with the eSound Output Plugin
[01:53] <enrico> sktrdie: and check for wolumes
[01:53] <sktrdie> enrico: but If i select ALSA it doesnt' work
[01:53] <enrico> sktrdie: its ok.. you have esd installed.
[01:53] <holycow> look, just take any of the linux subsystems
[01:53] <holycow> say apache
[01:53] <enrico> sktrdie: you can use esd.
[01:53] <holycow> or samba
[01:53] <sktrdie> enrico: yes but can't I just use ALSA? they say it's better
[01:53] <holycow> or sftp
[01:54] <enrico> sktrdie: kill esd
[01:54] <enrico> ...sorry pkill esd
[01:54] <holycow> administering just those subsystems alone take quite a lot of effort to get really good and knowledgeable at
[01:54] <enrico> and so xorg is working?
[01:54] <sktrdie> enrico: I think I have to configure my kernel for ALSA: do you know how to configure It in UBUNTU?
[01:54] <sktrdie> enrico: there's nothing in /usr/src/linux
[01:54] <holycow> the average windows user has no hope in hell of ever properly running their os, when they are told they can learn to admin a system overnight
[01:54] <holycow> and the botnets are the resulting consequence imho
[01:55] <jaga> "sktrdie" where do i find this
[01:55] <enrico> sktrdie: you dont need to.
[01:55] <enrico> sktrdie: esd is a server, alsa is the driver.
[01:55] <enrico> sktrdie: esd stays on top of alsa or oss.
[01:56] <enrico> jaga: have you enabled universe repositories?
[01:56] <rasputnik> holycow: adminning apache or samba is a specialist skill, but so is using word, I can do the first two in my sleep but burst into tears trying to write a CV
[01:56] <unreal> lol, a whole bunch of "for dummies" books arrived today, I ordered them on amazon.co.uk (cheap prices :P) just to read the funny quotes, C for dummies 2nd edition is one of the funniest... "It's like the instructions on a shampoo bottle, though you don't have to be naked and wet to program a computer."
[01:57] <sktrdie> enrico: by pkill esd I cant play it anymore
[01:57] <sktrdie> o well i need to test X now...
[01:57] <sktrdie> brb
[01:57] <holycow> rasputnik, i think then we are probably saying the same thing
[01:57] <jonbusby> hiya, anyone know how to close pesky java applet windows that dont want to close?
[01:57] <rasputnik> and I'd also add that if you are incompetent using word, you get a shit cv. if you are incompetent and firewall admin, the consequences are more serious
[01:58] <enrico> jonbusby:kill the browser?
[01:58] <rob^> rasputnik, yeah, your cv you made in Word is gone
[01:58] <rob^> :)
[01:58] <jonbusby> preferably without killing the browser
[01:58] <jonbusby> in windows (I hate saying this) they just close, but for some reason in linux they are refusing to close when I tell them too
[01:59] <holycow> what java applet window?
[01:59] <holycow> what are you running?
[01:59] <enrico> what's the browser?
[01:59] <_Grunt_> hello, does anyone know what is the best way to uninstall enemy territory?
[01:59] <holycow> you mean a browser?
[01:59] <rasputnik> rob^: as a separate note, I get very pissed off applying for unix admin jobs and having to fill in an applicatin form in word format.
[02:00] <jonbusby> well no, their java applet windows. I'm running firefox with sun-j2rel.5 java vm
[02:00] <xliu> how to disable the updator when gnome startup?
[02:00] <holycow> okay, what site?
[02:00] <rob^> heh
[02:02] <stig_> how can I get access to my NTFS files from ubuntu? (fresh newbie asking) :)
[02:02] <holycow> stig_, unfortunately for now it requires a bit of work
[02:02] <holycow> a: you will only be able to read the ntfs files
[02:03] <holycow> b) you wont be able to write to an ntfs partition
[02:03] <stig_> I only need to read from it :)
[02:03] <holycow> ms keeps ntfs info secret, and any interim support for write has essentially dissapeared as no one cares enough to maintain the components
[02:03] <holycow> okay
[02:03] <holycow> then
[02:03] <jonbusby> hmmm hang on
[02:03] <jonbusby> may have solved this
[02:03] <jonbusby> brb
[02:03] <holycow> 1. you need to find your ntfs partition with sudo fdisk -l
[02:04] <holycow> 2. you need to create a folder in say /media to wher eyou will mount to the ntfs partition ... mine is /media/ntfs
[02:04] <holycow> 3. you need to add info about the partition to your /etc/fstab
[02:04] <jonbusby> stig_ the ubuntuguide.org is really good on this
[02:04] <holycow> i'll paste a sample that i use
[02:05] <holycow> oh i don't have the line on this system
[02:05] <stig_> holycow: I think I made it it point 3... but dont know how I do that
[02:05] <holycow> google for fstab mount ntfs ... you will get lots of examples of the entry
[02:05] <holycow> the 4. sudo mount /media/ntfs
[02:05] <stig_> ok, thanks
[02:05] <holycow> then 5. you can browse to /metdia/ntfs and read the files from there
[02:06] <holycow> i presume in the future some outomount feature will be available, not sure
[02:06] <holycow> stig_, google step 3 then :) you will need to reaserch a bit, i don't intend on teaching you how to use nano or whatever :)
[02:07] <[noobuntu] > anyone familiar w/ a prob getting the sound running on a K7S41Gx mainboard?
[02:07] <holycow> no, i have tons of those, run ubuntu just fine
[02:08] <holycow> how new is it?
[02:08] <holycow> maybe they have changed the chipset again
[02:08] <Shufla> hello ubuntiers :)
[02:09] <[noobuntu] > chips are SIS SI7012 with CMI 9761 mixer
[02:09] <Dreco> Question: How do I search for a specific file name ?
[02:09] <Shufla> Dreco: find <dir> -name <fname>
[02:09] <[noobuntu] > Dreco, try locate <filename>
[02:09] <Shufla> 49min2go :D
[02:10] <Dreco> thank you
[02:10] <Tomcat_> Dreco: There's also a "Search for file" in the "Places" menu.
[02:11] <[noobuntu] > crimsun is not here..
[02:12] <Dreco> I am trying to find out where wine dumps its fake.windows installation files ?
[02:13] <Dreco> or where I can find fake.windows
[02:13] <Shorty`> ~/
[02:13] <mjr> Dreco, .wine/fake_windows by default, I think
[02:13] <Shorty`> ;)
[02:13] <Dreco> no wine folder under root
[02:14] <holycow> not root
[02:14] <holycow> in your /home/user dir
[02:14] <holycow> open up nautilus, do edit preferences
[02:14] <holycow> check of 'show hidden files'
[02:15] <holycow> then when you open up your home folder from places you will see a .wine dir there
[02:15] <holycow> everything is in there, including windows apps you install
[02:16] <AfroDude> dosen't Ubuntu support read/write to NTFS disks?
[02:17] <holycow> read yes
[02:17] <holycow> write no
[02:17] <holycow> no linux distro properly supports ntfs writes
[02:17] <Dreco> thank you
[02:17] <AfroDude> how/where can I reach it?
[02:17] <holycow> ntfs is proprietary and undocumented, and the project that used the windows dlls to do writing is no longer supported, primarily because no one really cares
[02:17] <holycow> reach what?
[02:18] <AfroDude> a disk with NTFS file system. Tried /dev/hd1, but couldn't open it :/
[02:18] <holycow> let me paste instructions i just gave to anothe guy 2 minutes ago
[02:18] <holycow> holycow 1. you need to find your ntfs partition with sudo fdisk -l
[02:18] <holycow> holycow 2. you need to create a folder in say /media to wher eyou will mount to the ntfs partition ... mine is /media/ntfs
[02:18] <holycow> holycow 3. you need to add info about the partition to your /etc/fstab
[02:19] <holycow> google step 3, i dont have sample line here
[02:19] <holycow> holycow the 4. sudo mount /media/ntfs
[02:19] <holycow> holycow then 5. you can browse to /metdia/ntfs and read the files from there
[02:19] <amnesia> anyone using the cool networkmanager from breezy?
[02:20] <AfroDude> ok, thanks
[02:20] <holycow> amnesia, not until breezy is release
[02:20] <holycow> d
[02:20] <holycow> >_>
[02:22] <amnesia> holycow: oh well, I don't use breezy just upgraded the things needed for NM and beagle, wanted to see them running
[02:22] <amnesia> but I will upgrade after the exams :)
[02:23] <holycow> if you want to play with that stuff, maybe run breezy as a separate instance? that way you can do unlimited damage without harm to the main pc
[02:23] <amnesia> no thanks, I can repair most of that
[02:23] <holycow> cool, whatever
[02:24] <amnesia> I'm just not sure I need to configure the interfaces for hal, since NM says I have no devices :)
[02:27] <LinuxNewbie> hello im back
[02:27] <Albaraha> y doesm
[02:27] <Albaraha> why doesn't gnome reload firefox on the startup?
[02:28] <holycow> what do you mean on startup?
[02:28] <holycow> sounds like the question answers it self
[02:28] <LinuxNewbie> i have read that samba support active directory like windows
[02:29] <LinuxNewbie> how can i download the latest version of samba?
[02:29] <holycow> sudo apt-get install samba
[02:29] <LinuxNewbie> that will install the latest?
[02:30] <Albaraha> holycow, whenever I start the desktop it starts gnome-terminal and xchat automatically
[02:30] <holycow> the latest that counts ... you will have a lot of reading/research to do to get it to work right
[02:30] <Albaraha> but that doesn't happen with firefox
[02:30] <holycow> of course
[02:30] <holycow> you don't have it in your session
[02:30] <holycow> system / preferences / sessions
[02:30] <LinuxNewbie> ok now
[02:31] <LinuxNewbie> in samba you can create usernames?
[02:31] <LinuxNewbie> for students
[02:31] <mcquaid> damnit
[02:31] <holycow> yes, but i'm not a samba expert, i avoid it like the plague, i want no windows compatability anywhere in my world
[02:31] <mcquaid> if compiling something and make fails due to lack of harddrive space is there a way to continue off and not ahve to start over?
[02:32] <Albaraha> There is no application in the list, while I have xchat and gnome-terminal loading at the startup
[02:32] <LinuxNewbie> i can only see that you can create shared foldr
[02:32] <LinuxNewbie> there is no usernames
[02:32] <holycow> LinuxNewbie, you are heavily underestimating how much work your getting your self into
[02:33] <holycow> first this is the wrong channel to ask
[02:33] <holycow> second start buying books :)
[02:34] <LinuxNewbie> linux books are not very popular in our country
[02:34] <LinuxNewbie> usually windows is the prefered OS around here
[02:34] <LinuxNewbie> could you suggest a chanel
[02:35] <holycow> #samba?
[02:35] <holycow> -_-
[02:35] <LinuxNewbie> ok
[02:39] <Prottie> LinuxNewbie: didnt you download the pdf I gave you the link too?
[02:39] <Prottie> that explains samba very well
[02:39] <CarlFK> whats the wiki URL of a sources.list ?
[02:41] <LinuxNewbie> ok last thing how can i use GAIM to access yahoo
[02:42] <delire> LinuxNewbie: create a new 'yahoo' account
[02:42] <LinuxNewbie> found it
[02:42] <LinuxNewbie> thx
[02:44] <thomas__> I want to install xmms-wma so I can listen to wma files... I have added both universe and multiverse but still I can't find it ? where can I get that package ?
[02:45] <thomas__> sorry my english...
[02:45] <delire> thomas__: try 'apt-cache search wma xmms' and see if it turns up
[02:45] <thomas__> ok
[02:45] <delire> thomas__: and make sure you 'apt-get update' first!
[02:45] <LinuxNewbie> in the synaptic manager
[02:45] <delire> or yes, use synaptic ;)
[02:46] <thomas__> hehe
[02:46] <delire> thomas__: synaptic is just a good GUI to the same commands..
[02:46] <LinuxNewbie> ah?
[02:46] <LinuxNewbie> im here right now
[02:46] <LinuxNewbie> there is so many
[02:47] <LinuxNewbie> like in communication
[02:47] <thomas__> okay... I updated and now I can see the package... thank you..
[02:47] <LinuxNewbie> base platform
[02:47] <LinuxNewbie> so i need to update them all?
[02:47] <delire> thomas__: anytime
[02:47] <thomas__> :)
[02:48] <CarlFK> anyone recomend a script for setting up port forwarding?
[02:49] <delire> CarlFK i use ipmasq
[02:49] <LinuxNewbie> talking about respository
[02:49] <LinuxNewbie> ive change that when i went to a site
[02:49] <LinuxNewbie> then ive execute the command that has a update
[02:49] <LinuxNewbie> and upgrade
[02:50] <LinuxNewbie> is that the same in the synaptic manager
[02:50] <n0cturnal> im trying to get a minitar pcmcia wireless card working, though it's asking for the location of my kernel src... any ideas?
[02:50] <holycow> yep
[02:50] <delire> LinuxNewbie: yep, synaptic and/kpackage are interfaces to the apt and dpkg suite of tools
[02:51] <LinuxNewbie> ic
[02:51] <delire> n0cturnal: usually /usr/src/linux-$(uname -r)
[02:51] <LinuxNewbie> so i dont need to use the sudo
[02:51] <delire> n0cturnal: ls /usr/src and see if it's there.
[02:51] <markuman> someone here has a radeon all in wonder ???
[02:51] <LinuxNewbie> just go there if i need some updating
[02:51] <CarlFK> oh oh.. I am intalling Hoary to a toshiba 4600 laptop - it just "finished" and I get "I cannot start the X server...."
[02:51] <narkceh> hello. i installed ubuntu "server" so its the base. then i installed x-system and xfce4. But the problem is that how can i get root system console because here is now xterm or something?
[02:52] <CarlFK> and the it isn't responding to keyboard
[02:52] <delire> LinuxNewbie: use synaptic if you're more comfortable with it. think of it as a bit like a peer-to-peer client.
[02:52] <n0cturnal> yah... contains only "rpm"
[02:52] <delire> CarlFK: ctrl-alt-F1 and login. then we'll look at some logs
[02:53] <delire> narkceh: do you really need root? you can just 'sudo <command>'
[02:53] <LinuxNewbie> ok tnx a lot you guys!
[02:53] <delire> narkceh: if you really do need root just 'sudo passwd root' and create an account
[02:53] <LinuxNewbie> have a nice day or evening =)
[02:53] <delire> LinuxNewbie: you too!
[02:54] <Albaraha> I have lib++dfb-0.9-22_0.9.22-1_i386.deb  libdirectfb-0.9-22_0.9.22-1_i386.deb splashy_0.1.5.svn2_i386.deb, and need to install them. "dpkg -i" says this http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/356
[02:54] <thomas__> Well... Is there some kind of "learn linux in 24 hours" somewhere ?It would be nice
[02:54] <delire> Albaraha: try an 'apt-get update && dpkg --configure -a' to fix this problem
[02:55] <narkceh> delire: sudo apt-get -f install && apt-get install build-essential libncurses5-dev kernel-package | says that E could not open lock file /ver/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 permission denied) E: are you root?
[02:55] <delire> thomas__: hehe there is actually this book i think. there are really good books in the Oreilly series.
[02:55] <kanichEEE> I know I gonna get flammed for this but... How I can change the default boot to windows? is because I m not hte only one who uses this pc :(
[02:55] <holycow> LinuxNewbie, welcome to linux anywhoo, give it time, it will start to make sense eventually
[02:55] <delire> narkceh: you need the second sudo in there ;)
[02:55] <narkceh> delire: dammit :DDDD
[02:55] <mjr> kanichEEE, /boot/grub/menu.lst, change the default entry
[02:55] <narkceh> delire: thank you :P
[02:55] <delire> narkceh: np ;)
[02:55] <thomas__> Yes... I have looked a lot at thease oreilly books... but there is so many ? I don't know which I should use ?
[02:55] <n0cturnal> farkit
[02:56] <joachim> how do I get to the apache manual through my browser? the link on http://localhost/apache2-default/ is dead
[02:56] <n0cturnal> i think ima have to put winblows back on
[02:56] <narkceh> delire: im into debian all the time cannot use sudo.
[02:56] <kanichEEE> mjr to what?
[02:56] <Albaraha> delire, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/357
[02:56] <delire> joachim: what about just http://localhost
[02:56] <delire> narkceh: yeah a bit weird at first ..
[02:56] <joachim> delire, that just shows an index
[02:56] <CarlFK> delire -i dont think you understand "isn't responding to keyboard" ;)
[02:56] <joachim> with a link to apache2-default/
[02:56] <mjr> kanichEEE, to whatever your windows entry is?
[02:57] <Vjaz> Anyone here successfully installed a 2.6.12 kernel on Hoary?
[02:57] <kanichEEE> you mean hda1?
[02:57] <CarlFK> ctrl-alt-F1 did nothing
[02:57] <delire> CarlFK: ahah, hehe sorry. just a moment
[02:57] <Vjaz> I wanted to try 2.6.12 on my Hoary system, but I ran into trouble. First it wouldn't even boot, and when it did my sound card didn't work and I think I recall some other quirks too.
[02:57] <mjr> kanichEEE, no, the number of the menu entry, starting with 0
[02:57] <delire> Albaraha: hmm, a bit of a tangle there... try an 'apt-get -f install' and pase the output (don't hit "Yes")
[02:58] <kanichEEE> Oh...
[02:58] <kanichEEE> Got it lol
[02:58] <delire> Vjaz: always wait a couple of months before trying out a new kernel ;)
[02:58] <Vjaz> delire: Hehhe. Yeah, that's a good idea. :-)
[02:58] <delire> Vjaz: i have had problems here also, and i've been compiling kernels since v2.1
[02:58] <Vjaz> delire, There was an infrared driver patch that I really wanted in 2.6.12.
[02:59] <Albaraha> delire, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/358
[02:59] <delire> Albaraha: good work. choose Y to that.
[02:59] <delire> Albaraha: we'll fix up splashy afterwards
[02:59] <delire> icaro: hi
[02:59] <Vjaz> delire, Yeah, I'm no stranger to compiling my own kernel. It seems to me that Ubuntu is a different animal than Gentoo or Debian kernel wise.
[03:00] <delire> Vjaz: i wanted some new bluetooth and Asus stuff..
[03:00] <thomas__> hmm
[03:00] <delire> Vjaz: it is a little. i think the best approach with Ubuntu is let the maintainers ship the kernel for you.
[03:01] <thomas__> does ubuntu install nvidia drivers on default ? or do I have to install them myself ?
[03:01] <Albaraha> delire_phone, done
[03:01] <mjr> thomas__, it doesn't install the proprietary drivers, but it does make it easy
[03:01] <Vjaz> delire, Yeah. I might wait until Breezy I guess. I think I'll need to do a BIOS upgrade on my laptop before I can even use that infrared stuff, so unless I find myself wiping my hard drive to install Windows or buying a USB floppy drive, I don't think it's a problem just yet.
[03:01] <icaro> hi delire_phone :D
[03:02] <Arago> hello.
[03:02] <thomas__> okay :)
[03:02] <thomas__> hi
[03:02] <mjr> thomas__, see eg. http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21111.html
[03:02] <Arago> Someone can help me for install "FreePops" on hoary ?
[03:02] <CarlFK> delire - it does respond to the power button - displays "entering rl 0" and shuts down
[03:02] <mjr> (I just googled for it, there might be better instructions, but seems simple enough)
[03:02] <thomas__> mjr, okay... I check it out... thanks :D
[03:05] <Arago> Someone can help me for install "FreePops" on hoary ?
[03:07] <berkes> alright. I am completely FEDUP withj the stupid wireless cards. Any care to help. Again?
[03:07] <narkceh> sudo echo fglrx >> /etc/modules | permission denied. Why?
[03:07] <berkes> I bought a SMC card, that is supposed to work out of the box with the prism45 in ubuntu
[03:07] <berkes> firmware and all should be right.
[03:07] <delire> Vjaz: well given the Ubuntu release cycle, you won't have to wait for long.. another few months
[03:08] <berkes> It is detected, the leds are all happy and stuff
[03:08] <delire> Albaraha: ok, now type 'apt-cache show splashy' and note the dependencies. where are you getting splashy from anyway?
[03:09] <Vjaz> narkceh, because you're trying to open /etc/modules as a regular user. what you're doing is essentially running "echo fglrx" with sudo and redirecting it to /etc/modules. You should run "sudo -s" or "sudo su -" and then run "echo fglrx >> /etc/modules"
[03:09] <berkes> however, iwconfig gives me a "NOT READY!"
[03:09] <delire> CarlFK: is this an install or the LiveCD? sorry lost you in the scrollback
[03:09] <CarlFK> narkceh - either the "enter password" is being >> to something you don't have rights to yet, or the sudo only applies to the echo fglrx
[03:09] <CarlFK> delire - install
[03:09] <delire> CarlFK: do you have another Linux box around? perhaps you can ssh into it
[03:09] <Vjaz> delire, Yeah, it's nice. I can't use my infrared before that though, but I haven't been able to do that before either, so it's not much of a problem. I might install vanilla Debian or something to see if it works while waiting.
[03:09] <delire> CarlFK: CarlFK: also note the other boot options
[03:10] <Albaraha> delire, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41709
[03:10] <narkceh> Vjaz: ok, thanks. got it.
[03:10] <CarlFK> delire - I did istnall oppenssh-server, and if I boot to (rescue) I can start it and ssh to it
[03:10] <Albaraha> Replaces: usplash, debsplash-utils
[03:10] <Albaraha> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libdirectfb-0.9-20, libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0)
[03:10] <Albaraha> Conflicts: usplash, debsplash-utils
[03:10] <delire> Vjaz: well i'm going to wait a month or so. i run debian on this lappie
[03:10] <CarlFK> delire - but if I let it boot, no ssh
[03:10] <Vjaz> narkceh, I do the same thing all the time. It's a bit non-intuitive I guess, but makes sense. :-)
[03:11] <berkes> so, qnyone on wireless with a prism45 ?
[03:11] <delire> CarlFK: right, well the thing to check is 'cat /etc/X11/Xorg.0.log | grep EE' to look for errors
[03:11] <odin666> moin
[03:12] <Vjaz> delire, Ok. It probably is a good idea to wait a while to see that there are no major problems with the kernel, I guess.
[03:12] <narkceh> Vjaz: yeah, this ubuntu is pretty new for me for example I allways forget sudo when installing something.
[03:13] <CarlFK> delire - (WW) TRIDENT(0): config file hsync range 28-49kHz not within DDC hsync ranges.
[03:14] <delire> Albaraha: if you are feeling risky, you can install that lib framebuffer stuff that was failing earlier with 'dpkg -i --force-all <package>' and see take the risk to see if it goes through.
[03:15] <delire> Albaraha: also, it can sometimes be worth an apt-get upgrade to bring packages up to the same level before attempting installation of custom packages like splashy
[03:15] <Albaraha> delire, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/359
[03:15] <delire> CarlFK: that doesn't look to brutal. is that all? no 'EE'?
[03:16] <CarlFK> delire - (EE) Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device
[03:16] <Albaraha> I don't think it's risky to force it to be installed since it says: splashy: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[03:16] <delire> CarlFK: hmm, that looks like the culprit
[03:16] <CarlFK> but I don't have a touchpad.. I have the nub in the keyboard
[03:16] <CarlFK> delire that would cause it to lock up?
[03:17] <delire> CarlFK: read the lines after these. see where X breaks
[03:17] <delire> Albaraha: give it a shot.
[03:19] <CarlFK> delire - http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/360
[03:20] <delire> CarlFK: weird. have you customised this install in anyway?
[03:20] <delire> CarlFK: 'fixed' font support is fairly native.
[03:21] <corza> hi
[03:21] <corza> anyone here play GuildWars?
[03:21] <AfroDude> what's the best file system for a partition that should be reached from both Windows and Linux (Ubuntu)? FAT?
[03:21] <delire> CarlFK: in the worst case you can comment out the line in /etc/X11/xorg.conf that includes the unix/:7100 fonts
[03:22] <delire> AfroDude: yes
[03:22] <corza> AfroDude:
[03:22] <corza> AfroDude: dont worry about making a new partition.. i found a tutorial somewhere so my ubuntu system can just read my ntfs
[03:22] <delire> AfroDude: vfat as fat16 is known in linux. it will then be writeable from both sides.
[03:22] <delire> corza: yes, but NTFS is generally not writeable..
[03:22] <Deanodriver> i thought it was also fat32
[03:22] <Juhaz> it is
[03:23] <corza> delire: i can write
[03:23] <delire> Deanodriver: sorry, you are right. my bad. fat16 == fat fat32 == vfat
[03:23] <narkceh> I have installed alsamixer and gstreame.0.8-plugins, but i dont know where in settings I can change to input to ALSA because my rhytmbox says that E: Could not open resource for writing?
[03:23] <PTK> corza, really?!
[03:23] <CarlFK> delire - I aptgeted  cvs build-essential nmap screen libgtk1.2-dev sox autoconf kdoc openssh-server
[03:23] <corza> delire: wait no i cant lol.. just read
[03:23] <delire> corza: awesome. many can't
[03:23] <delire> corza: hehe..
[03:23] <CarlFK> delire - but havn't done anything yet
[03:23] <corza> delire: nvm dont get excited lol
[03:23] <AfroDude> ok. What command/program do I need to create a partition of a unused space on the HD?
[03:24] <delire> CarlFK: i would tell the people in the ubuntu-dev channel (that's the name i think). you have definitely found a rare bug.
[03:24] <corza> Does anyone here play Guild Wars?
[03:24] <berkes> allright, lemme try again ;) anyone here who can help me with my wireless prism45 card?
[03:24] <delire> corza: nope
[03:24] <delire> CarlFK: have you used Linux before?
[03:24] <CarlFK> yup
[03:24] <delire> CarlFK: which flavour?
[03:24] <CarlFK> all of them ;)
[03:24] <delire> berkes: sadly not, i use a Centrino here.
[03:25] <delire> CarlFK: hehe. do you have another Ubuntu install around?
[03:25] <CarlFK> delire - I made this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalNetInstall
[03:25] <berkes> delire, what module does that one use?
[03:25] <CarlFK> delire - I got a small fleat of them
[03:25] <delire> CarlFK: you wrote that page or you used that installation method?
[03:25] <CarlFK> (only 4 or 5 really...)
[03:25] <CarlFK> wrote
[03:26] <CarlFK> but I have only started doing X in the last 6 months
[03:27] <CarlFK> about 2 weeks ago I found a bug in the installer (both hoary and breezy) - apparently I am the first person to isntall Ubunto with an ISA VGA card ;)
[03:27] <AfroDude> anyone know what command/program I need to create a new partition of an unused space on the hard disk?
[03:27] <Markuman> whitch xorg version is on hoary 5.04 ???
[03:27] <phaedrus44> ello..
[03:28] <narkceh> hmh, should there be some command like gstream-properties or gstreamer-properties where I can change settings to alsa?
[03:28] <phaedrus44> does ubuntu come with ndiswrapper?
[03:29] <goldfish_> phaedrus44: no
[03:29] <goldfish_> phaedrus44: apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[03:29] <phaedrus44> uh....
[03:29] <phaedrus44> need the wireless card before i can do apt-get
[03:29] <phaedrus44> lol
[03:29] <delire> berkes: 'modprobe -l | grep prism'
[03:29] <phaedrus44> no other connection devices
[03:30] <goldfish_> phaedrus44: ah
[03:30] <phaedrus44> hard to install manually?
[03:30] <goldfish_> dont think so
[03:30] <delire> phaedrus44: 'dpkg -l | grep ndis' see if you have it installed already
[03:30] <goldfish_> phaedrus44: there is a howto on the wiki to install manually
[03:31] <epssy> I'm using ubuntu to recover from a serious problem with my pc (hardware went "bang", have new hardware now) and I need to be able to get access to some files on my existing partition (using the livecd)... how do I do this?
[03:31] <delire> CarlFK: well i would try the CD method. netinstalls are often a bit hairy.
[03:31] <FLD> anybody got 3acceleration work with pcie ati in ubuntu?
[03:31] <FLD> 3dac
[03:31] <berkes> delire, my prism is loaded properly
[03:31] <delire> FLD: many many have. see the BinaryDriverHowto on the wiki
[03:32] <FLD> k
[03:32] <wizo> how can i er, share my files on my ubuntu on my network with other computers running on windows
[03:32] <delire> berkes: can you 'sudo iwconfig'?
[03:32] <FLD> delire are you sure about Ati PCIE
[03:32] <delire> wizo: samba
[03:32] <wizo> is that the only way?
[03:32] <wizo> =s
[03:32] <delire> FLD: oh, didn't see the E at the end ;)
[03:32] <Albaraha> delire, it works. Thanks
[03:32] <delire> wizo: no you can ftp
[03:32] <FLD> yeah you try screw me
[03:32] <Albaraha> how would I change gdm resolution
[03:32] <FLD> >:(
[03:32] <delire> Albaraha: what worked in the end?
[03:33] <wizo> oo lala
[03:33] <wizo> which method is easier?
[03:33] <Albaraha> delire, splashy
[03:33] <delire> FLD: hehe
[03:33] <phaedrus44> i dont think i have it already because i just installed ubuntu
[03:33] <delire> Albaraha: an older version?
[03:33] <FLD> im not eaven sure does atis own driver support it
[03:33] <FLD> they dont tell it :<
[03:33] <delire> FLD: hmm..
[03:33] <FLD> :/
[03:33] <Albaraha> I've forced installing splashy
[03:33] <FLD> hmm mayby i try find finnish customer support for ati
[03:33] <FLD> phone
[03:33] <delire> Albaraha: ok, yeah i didn't think that would be too much of a problem
[03:33] <mindmedic> wizo, samba is pretty easy
[03:34] <wizo> hmm ok thx
[03:34] <wizo> i`ll give it a go now
[03:34] <mindmedic> install samba and use shares-admin
[03:34] <delire> FLD: yep, give them a call.
[03:34] <FLD> YEAP i will
[03:34] <wizo> thx
[03:34] <mindmedic> bye
[03:34] <FLD> and i will tell what i feel about them
[03:34] <delire> mindmedic: yep, good call. shares-admin is the way to go.
[03:34] <Juhaz> hah, if they do happen to have a customer support, do you really expect the drone to know something about Linux?
[03:34] <mindmedic> wizo
[03:34] <wizo> supp
[03:34] <Nige> g'day all
[03:34] <delire> FLD: hehe yep. tell them you'll buy an NVIDIA card if they don't help.
[03:34] <iLLf8d> anyone around whose bind savvy enough to helpout with a convoluted bind problem? the questions quite large thats why I asked first
[03:34] <Nige> how are we :)
[03:34] <mindmedic> be sure to name each of your shares
[03:34] <wizo> err, shares?
[03:34] <FLD> delire haha i must first find number
[03:35] <delire> Nige: we're good. don't know about the others
[03:35] <mindmedic> if you dont you get a corrupted samba.conf
[03:35] <wizo> =s
[03:35] <fdr> please, what is the key to use in order to switch virtual desktop in gnome? Thank you!
[03:35] <Nige> oh well it all good
[03:35] <wizo> care to er, tell me more about the ``shares``
[03:35] <Nige> i am stuck with wireless networking
[03:35] <Nige> :(
[03:35] <Nige> and its driving me crazy!!!
[03:35] <FLD> does anybody know how to get dsniff to work :<
[03:35] <iLLf8d> heh
[03:35] <delire> Nige: what's up?
[03:35] <FLD> i cant see any passwords :<
[03:35] <iLLf8d> Nige, oh comeon you can compute in the shitter what more could you want
[03:36] <delire> iLLf8d: i'm about to leave for the day, i'll stay out of it.
[03:36] <mindmedic> fdr, you can set the key in system -> preferences -> keyboard shortcuts
[03:36] <Nige> i have a linksys wpc54g (yes my bad!)
[03:36] <iLLf8d> heh
[03:36] <delire> Nige: eww
[03:36] <Nige> and its supports wpa under winxp n crap
[03:36] <iLLf8d> delire, you're not planning on joining him in there?
[03:36] <Nige> i am trying to run it on warty, but when i dmesg the console
[03:36] <iLLf8d> delire, how goes it
[03:36] <CarlFK> delire - booting a hoary live cd - it got into X ok
[03:36] <Nige> it tells me the driver i am using cant use wpa
[03:36] <Nige> i have the wpa supplicant installed :)
[03:36] <fdr> mindmedic : thanks
[03:36] <delire> iLLf8d: guud
[03:37] <Arago> how install "FreePops" on hoary ?
[03:37] <iLLf8d> heh
[03:37] <Nige> i am finding it very odd that it works for xp but not ubuntu
[03:37] <delire> CarlFK: i'd go with the full CD install instead of the netinst
[03:37] <mindmedic> fdr, np, look at the gnome manual... gnome can do a lot of cool stuff
[03:37] <iLLf8d> Nige, did you research your driver?
[03:37] <Nige> i woulr much rather be using ubuntu than xp cause ubuntu is soo much faster :>
[03:37] <iLLf8d> Nige, many can't use the wpa
[03:37] <Nige> i found out it does lscmds diver
[03:37] <liable> Nige: read the wpasupplicant docs, they tell you what drivers are supported.
[03:37] <Nige> and uses the broadcom 4306 chipest
[03:37] <wizo> do i need to do the network users part
[03:37] <delire> Nige: maybe linksys haven't shipped Linux drivers and haven't opened the source for developers to write their own wpa support.
[03:37] <Nige> okay
[03:38] <Hajuu> Hi.. I have a Canon Powershot A60 here... Anyone know how I can upload the photos off it under ubuntu?
[03:38] <Nige> i kow, cuase linksys are bloody annoying!!!
[03:38] <PhantomFreak> I've just installed Xine and libdvdcss2, it still playes DVDs a little jerky... Should I update the RAM to 512MB from 256MB? Would this improve playback?
[03:38] <wizo> im reading ubuntuguide.org and is this part needed? ==> How to add/edit/delete network users?
[03:38] <iLLf8d> Nige, depends on the driver the broadcom ones can be ok at times
[03:38] <iLLf8d> Nige, some of them are ralinks
[03:38] <Hajuu> Anyone?
[03:38] <delire> Hajuu: install libgphtoto and then just use nautilus to mount and browse the device contents
[03:39] <mindmedic> Hajuu, i think gthumb can do that
[03:39] <phaedrus44> awww....no documents or anyhting on the "install wiki" for ndiswrapper
[03:39] <delire> Hajuu: or after installing you can also use Gimp to browse the photos
[03:39] <Hajuu> oh nice
[03:39] <Hajuu> thanks
[03:39] <aigarius> phaedrus44, there is a howto on the wiki
[03:39] <delire> Hajuu: Ubuntu may already have gphoto on board. this contains quasi drivers for a gazillion cameras
[03:39] <iLLf8d> Nige, is it one of these -> http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=ral&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=OpenBSD+Current&arch=i386&format=html <- those are the ralink based cards most of which have linux counterpart drivers
[03:39] <sly> afternoon
[03:39] <wizo> afternoon
[03:40] <Hajuu> E: Couldn't find package libgphoto
[03:40] <PhantomFreak> Or, can anyone suggest a better way to play DVDs?
[03:40] <wizo> PhantomFreak, mine seems alrite
[03:40] <Sly> hey wizo :)
[03:40] <phaedrus44> oh thanks
[03:40] <wizo> and im runing on 128mb ram
[03:40] <Sly> :o
[03:40] <delire> Hajuu: perhaps just use gthumb as mindmedic suggest. it may already be on board.
[03:40] <goldfish_> PhantomFreak: dma turned on?
[03:40] <Hajuu> hmm
[03:40] <Hajuu> give it a try
[03:40] <aigarius> phaedrus44, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[03:40] <wizo> goldfish_, would dma affect dvd?
[03:41] <Nige> no supported there
[03:41] <wizo> i thought dma was only for the hard drive
[03:41] <PhantomFreak> dma, forgot about that...
[03:41] <goldfish_> wizo: yes.
[03:41] <Nige> its the stupid wpc54g v 1.2
[03:41] <phaedrus44> thanks found it
[03:41] <phaedrus44> thanks for yer hel;p
[03:41] <Nige> it confuzed that it works underxp using the ndis driver
[03:41] <delire> Hajuu: does the camera come up on the desktop as a storage device?
[03:41] <Nige> but not under linux with the ndis
[03:42] <Nige> i am also at a loss because i am not sure what other wirless nic to get that supports wpa
[03:43] <bigcx2> nige what's your problem with ndiswrapper
[03:43] <bigcx2> ?
[03:43] <Hajuu> delire:  No but it does pop up a little thing for uploading photos when I plug it in :D
[03:43] <Hajuu> I love ubuntu heh
[03:43] <Nige> i am always told the card doesnt support wpa
[03:43] <Deanodriver> trying to install this gnome applet, and it keeps on saying error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)
[03:43] <Nige> or the driver doesnt
[03:44] <PhantomFreak> goldfish_: How do I actually turn on DMA on my combo drive? I can't seem to find it on the net.
[03:44] <bigcx2> what card is it
[03:44] <Deanodriver> do i need to reinstall python, or is there a special thing I should install?
[03:44] <Nige> ndiswrapper (wpa_set_wpa:1240): driver is not WPA capable
[03:44] <Nige> its a wpc54g
[03:44] <goldfish_> PhantomFreak: emmm, try, sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[03:44] <bigcx2> man hdparm phantomfreak
[03:44] <Nige> unfortunatly its a linksys
[03:44] <Nige> :(
[03:44] <Nige> uses broadcome chipset though :>
[03:44] <narkceh> does anyone have any idea how to get sound out from my pc with rhytymbox. rhytymbox says that Error: Could not open resource for writing.
[03:44] <bigcx2> i have a linksys card that i am on right now
[03:44] <Nige> its a pcmcia card in a lappy
[03:45] <goldfish_> narkceh: is anything else using the sound?
[03:45] <bigcx2> ah
[03:45] <delire> Hajuu: i don't have gnome installed here.. i'm guessing you can just copy it from the camera using nautilus out into another folder.
[03:45] <wizo> after installing samba, wad else do i have to do to be able to share my stuff on my network so that other windows users can get my files from this ubunt umachine
[03:46] <delire> narkceh: any other sound-using programs open? otherwise try changing the 'sound-driver' in the preferences of the application to use 'ESD' or 'ALSA'
[03:46] <Justin> wizo: usually nothing, if anything set a password with smbpasswd
[03:46] <ubuntu> bonjour a vous
[03:46] <narkceh> delire: yes where can i change esd to alsa?
[03:46] <seb128> ubuntu: /j #ubuntu-fr
[03:46] <delire> ubuntu: i've seen that name before <thinks>
[03:46] <goldfish_> lol
[03:46] <bigcx2> narkseh
[03:46] <ubuntu> do you speek french
[03:46] <bigcx2> if you can't get it to use esd or alsa
[03:46] <seb128> ubuntu: #ubuntu-fr
[03:47] <goldfish_> je ne parlais francais !
[03:47] <bigcx2> open up a terminal and type pkill esd then try it
[03:47] <delire> narkceh: probably in preferences or similar
[03:47] <ubuntu> tank you
[03:47] <ubuntu> merci
[03:47] <seb128> de rien
[03:48] <Redhatter> Hi all, just a question... How does one go about netbooting Ubuntu?  I've slowly been trying to set up a kernel image (with initramfs image) and startup scripts to allow a machine to download and boot it over a network, but so far haven't had the greatest of success.
[03:48] <wizo> oh coool thx Justin
[03:48] <delire> bigcx2 though if he uses ESD as his output driver he may have luck.
[03:48] <narkceh> delire: Im trying to say that I got my music to work in rhytymbox when I changed settings by using gstreamer-properties but that command doesn't work anymore?
[03:48] <ubuntu> quellle pays
[03:48] <xliu> I want to remove the games in my Ubuntu,  may I delete the /usr/games directly?
[03:48] <Nige> what card are you using bigcx2?
[03:48] <delire> narkceh: best you talk to bigcx2. i don't have gnome here...
[03:48] <Justin> Redhatter: scrap everything you did and install initrd-netboot-tools
[03:48] <CarlFK> Redhatter - you mean run like a Live CD?  (not install to HD)
[03:48] <bigcx2> actually right now i have a broadcom 4306
[03:49] <Nige> yer i think mine uses that chipset
[03:49] <narkceh> delire: I use xfce4, thats the problem :6
[03:49] <delire> xliu: 'dpkg -l | grep games' and then 'dpkg -P <game>'
[03:49] <Nige>  Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller
[03:49] <odie5533> how do I check memory usage in a terminal?
[03:49] <twistymcgee> hi folks, can anyone help me with ntpd?
[03:49] <bigcx2> amd64 or i386
[03:49] <delire> xliu: dpkg -P == purge completely
[03:50] <Nige> see i am pretty sure thats the same chipset?
[03:50] <xliu> ok, thanks delire
[03:50] <bigcx2> yea
[03:50] <Redhatter> CarlFK, Sorta.  Basically I've formatted the hard drive (a 2GB SCSI clunker) completely as swap space (no partitions even), and I'm attempting to load Ubuntu into tmpfs and boot that way.
[03:50] <narkceh> bigcx2: any idea how to get work rhytymbox in xfce4 because gstreamer-properties doesn't work anymore?
[03:50] <twistymcgee> my clock is getting ahead so fast that after a couple of days it's 30 fast
[03:50] <Nige> can i get the files you are using for it?
[03:50] <delire> xliu: either that or just use Synaptic, find the games category, uninstalled what is marked as 'installed'.
[03:51] <odie5533> How do I check RAM usage in a terminal?
[03:51] <bigcx2> can't say i have any experience in xfce4, strictly a gnome guy :)
[03:51] <rasputnik> Redhatter: seen the docs at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetbootInstallHowto
[03:51] <xliu> thanks very much delire
[03:51] <rasputnik> odie5533: top
[03:51] <Redhatter> rasputnik, Cheers, I'll have a look :-)
[03:51] <Nige> i386 :)
[03:51] <delire> narkceh: well then you definitely don't need ESD do you? 'for i in $(ps -C esd -o pid=); do kill -9 $i; done'
[03:52] <rasputnik> Redhatter: oddly enough I'm currently working on a diskless opera terminal for the uni library here based on redhat.
[03:52] <delire> xliu: anytime
[03:52] <odie5533> anyone know how much RAM it takes to run KDE/Gnome?
[03:52] <bigcx2> so you can connect to things and it just tells you that wpa is disabled or you can't connect at all?
[03:52] <rasputnik> odie5533: 257Mb here seems ok
[03:52] <Nige> it wont let it connect to that ap with wpa
[03:52] <Nige> i can try the other one
[03:52] <delire> odie5533: 128mb is a good lower limit
[03:52] <CarlFK> rasputnik - that looks alot like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalNetInstall ;)
[03:52] <Nige> hold on a tick
[03:52] <bigcx2> ok
[03:52] <Nige> i need to acually set this one
[03:53] <delire> odie5533: 64mb without features|sfx turned on.
[03:53] <bigcx2> wait nige i think you need wpasupplicant
[03:53] <rasputnik> CarlFK: they probably need merging then (or at least some crosslinks)
[03:53] <odie5533> delire: gnome or kde?
[03:53] <bigcx2> apt-cache show wpasupplicant
[03:53] <Redhatter> rasputnik, Yeah, this would be a similar setup then.  I'm setting this up for a small network for a group of autistic adults to use.  Ideally, I'd like to provide an option of a few distro's (incl. Fedora, Ubuntu, Knoppix, Debian, Gentoo... whatever I can get) and have it download & setup distros on the fly.
[03:53] <odie5533> I have 192mb free, however, I am running XFCE, should I have enough to run KDE?
[03:54] <delire> odie5533: both, they are as heavy as each other. consider using xfce4, openbox, blackbox, wmii on a system with less.
[03:54] <Justin> Redhatter: no, it's not similar at all, that guide is for something completely different
[03:54] <delire> odie5533: yeah, that's fine
[03:54] <Deanodriver> does anyone have any idea of how to fix my problem with Python?
[03:54] <Redhatter> Justin, I noticed that :-)
[03:54] <Deanodriver> what other packages I need to install, for example?
[03:54] <Deanodriver> trying to install this gnome applet, and it keeps on saying error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)
[03:54] <delire> Deanodriver: well Ubuntu comes with tons of python out of the box.
[03:54] <odie5533> ok good, my family is having a hard time getting used to xfce, so I am hoping KDE will be better. Thanks for the help, time to install KDE :D
[03:55] <Deanodriver> yeah, well, for some reason, this app doesn't like it (although it did last install)
[03:55] <bigcx2> there shouldn't be any makefiles in that directory deanodriver
[03:55] <din> anyone get mplayer to play dvd's in ubuntu?
[03:55] <bigcx2> yes
[03:55] <Deanodriver> i know
[03:55] <delire> Deanodriver: does that file actually exist?
[03:55] <bigcx2> i have gotten mplayer to work
[03:55] <bigcx2> for dvds
[03:55] <Justin> Deanodriver: did you try searching for that file on packages.ubuntu.com? (no)
[03:55] <din> bigcx2, help? :)
[03:55] <Deanodriver> no, it doesn't
[03:55] <Deanodriver> no, i didn't
[03:55] <bigcx2> well what's the problem exactly din
[03:55] <delire> Deanodriver: follow Justin's advice
[03:55] <din> MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: init_audio_codec
[03:55] <Deanodriver> what, look for the makefile?
[03:55] <din> then it crashes
[03:56] <din> i've tried every audio codec
[03:56] <bigcx2> do you have libdvdcss2 installed
[03:56] <din> bigcx2, of course
[03:56] <bigcx2> hmmmm...
[03:56] <delire> din: can you play other movies/DVD's?
[03:56] <din> delire, yes
[03:56] <delire> din: they all fail?
[03:56] <din> well...
[03:57] <din> one sec
[03:57] <bigcx2> i'm lookin at something
[03:57] <bigcx2> hold up
[03:57] <jsimmons> to make quake2 work, all I need to do is copy the contents of the data folder fomr the original cd?
[03:57] <Justin> jsimmons: should just need the main data file
[03:57] <jsimmons> the "pak" file?
[03:57] <din> i can play other movies yes
[03:58] <bigcx2> you mean on other players (vlc, etc)
[03:58] <Justin> jsimmons: yeah, the big ones, though copying everything can't hurt
[03:58] <rasputnik> Redhatter: yeah, sort of. Mines NFS based. All the clients share the same NFS read-only root, and then mount little ramfs partitions over the bits they need to write to
[03:58] <wizo> so hmm, now that i have installed samba
[03:58] <din> bigcx2, i mean .avi, .mpg, etc...
[03:58] <wizo> how do i share my folder over the network with other windows machines
[03:58] <Justin> wizo: it is already shared
[03:58] <Justin> wizo: \\yourbox
[03:58] <wizo> i mean, a certain folder in my home directory
[03:58] <Justin> wizo: \\yourbox\wizo
[03:58] <jsimmons> hmmm, got this:  ""
[03:59] <Justin> wizo: your home directory is already shared
[03:59] <wizo> oh really
[03:59] <wizo> sick
[03:59] <bigcx2> alright lemme look at someting real fast
[03:59] <jsimmons> hmmm, got this:  "LoadLibrary("ref_softx.so") failed: No such file or directory"
[03:59] <din> bigcx2, the problem with .avi, .mpg, etc.. is that the audio/video are not synced
[03:59] <wizo> uh oh
[03:59] <Justin> jsimmons: you should have that, but you really want to be using the opengl driver :-)
[03:59] <din> so i think i have an audio issue
[03:59] <wizo> some stuff are not meant to be shared with my housemates
[03:59] <wizo> =/
[04:00] <jsimmons> how do i use the opengl driver?  modify a config fifle?
[04:00] <Fanskapet> hmm that was one of the most weird quit-msg's i've seen :D
[04:00] <Fanskapet> can anyone translate? :D
[04:00] <Justin> jsimmons: its a command line flag.. you can do it from inside the game once it works though..
[04:00] <delire> Fanskapet: agreed. quite impressive really.
[04:00] <davro> wizo, use the dot
[04:00] <delire> jsimmons: what card do you have?
[04:00] <Deanodriver> it doesn't help
[04:00] <Justin> wizo: good thing you have to log in then eh?
[04:00] <wizo> so wad if i only want to share a folder
[04:00] <jsimmons> ati x800xtpe
[04:00] <Justin> wizo: stop saying wad.
[04:01] <jsimmons> drivers are installed
[04:01] <Nige> okay
[04:01] <wizo> hmm ok sorry
[04:01] <Nige> i set up the wpa_supplicant.conf as follows
[04:01] <wizo> so what if i wanna juz share a folder, can i unshare my home directory
[04:01] <Justin> wizo: juz?
[04:01] <Nige> bugger
[04:01] <Nige> he left
[04:01] <davro> wizo, have some fun with /etc/samba/smb.conf
[04:01] <wizo> sorry
[04:01] <wizo> just*
[04:01] <wizo> hmm ok thanks
[04:02] <vmware> hello pp
[04:02] <davro> remember to sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart for your changes to take effect
[04:02] <FLD> http://img142.exs.cx/img142/1714/post211201650559li.jpg   who wants to duck hunt with that ;D
[04:02] <wizo> hmm ok will keep that in mind
[04:02] <vmware> how install files rpm no ubuntu
[04:03] <jeroen_> vmware, alien
[04:03] <vmware> in consol?
[04:04] <jeroen_> vmware, yes; it'll turn rpm files into deb files, which Ubuntu can use
[04:04] <jeroen_> then you can install the deb file with sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[04:04] <Jerub> does ubuntu have large file support?
[04:04] <wizo> opos, almost forgot to make a backup copy
[04:04] <Jerub> i.e. can I copy a 40 gig file to my ubuntu machine?
[04:04] <wizo> ooops*
[04:05] <davro> Something like this for a samba config [shared_folder] ;   comment = Shared Folder;   writable = no;   locking = no;   path = /home/you/this;   public = yes
[04:05] <vmware> ok
[04:05] <rasputnik> Jerub: it's a 2.6 kernel, so yeah should be ok
[04:05] <vmware> tkans
[04:05] <davro> sure you will get the ang of it.
[04:05] <wizo> ok thx davro
[04:05] <wizo> thanks*
[04:05] <Jerub> cool
[04:06] <Jerub> thanks.
[04:06] <wizo> ohoh, federer vs hewitt
[04:06] <wizo> be back later
[04:08] <s1m0> hi
[04:09] <s1m0> sorry, i now i have an old pci video card. anyone can suggest me a cheeper but good agp video card plase?
[04:10] <Will__> s1m0: What country are you in? And what price range is 'cheap' to you?
[04:10] <davro> s1m0, personally i have had no problems with the G400 matrox cards dual head, quite cheap nowadays
[04:10] <s1m0> Will__, i'm in italy
[04:11] <s1m0> davro, ok i check if in a online shop there is one
[04:11] <Will__> Heh, thought so. You guys are on euros now, right?
[04:11] <s1m0> Will__, yes :'(
[04:11] <davro> Its an old card proberly not produced anymore, second hand job.
[04:13] <s1m0> it's better nvidia than ati, isn't it?
[04:13] <lincr> howdy
[04:14] <d_i> How do i install deb packages ?
[04:14] <davro> Hi im running a laptop, what would be the best, way to diable or enable the synapic touch pad, to stop my damn sausage thumb from tapping it while im typing.
[04:14] <lincr> d_i use dpkg
[04:14] <delire> s1m0: yes, nvidia is really well supported in linux. ati is supported by ATI, but not as well.
[04:14] <lincr> davro try man trackpad
[04:15] <lincr> davro: i turn tap on with "trackpad tap"
[04:15] <Albaraha> delire, how do I change gdm resolution?
[04:15] <s1m0> delire, thanks because in a another old pc i have a nvidia and it works really good, but i never had an ati
[04:16] <lincr> albahara: should be the same as your regular X resolution
[04:16] <s1m0> albatron Mx4000l 128mb ALBATRON MX4000L 128MB, Nvidia GeForce MX4000, AGP 8X, VGA Out, TV-out - cod. 35829     45   =  +/- 40$
[04:16] <davro> No manual entry for trackpad, or Couldn't find package trackpad, am imissing something?
[04:16] <corza> what is a program that can run asx live streaming vidoe?
[04:16] <s1m0> delire, this card can be a good one?
[04:17] <lincr> davro: trackpad must be for ppc...
[04:17] <berkes> corza: if not mplayer, then prolly nothing.
[04:17] <corza> berkes, hmm really?
[04:17] <s1m0> delire, albatron Mx4000l 128mb ALBATRON MX4000L 128MB, Nvidia GeForce MX4000, AGP 8X, VGA Out, TV-out - cod. 35829     45   =  +/- 40$
[04:17] <lincr> davro: google for synaptic stuff, I found a bunch of stuff regarding that while figuring out the trackpad on my ppc
[04:17] <Justin> davro: try tpconfig
[04:17] <davro> ahhh, running on sony pcg-z1 is there anything simular to trackpad for i686
[04:18] <davro> will do justin
[04:18] <lincr> okay, does anybody have any tips for getting kernel to use framebuffer console
[04:18] <Will__> Possibly surgery is needed. It's not like you _need_ your thumbs
[04:19] <lincr> I'm on intel with intel 845 video
[04:19] <corza> anyone here use Cedega?
[04:20] <corza> anyone here use Cedega?
[04:20] <lincr> corza: what is it
[04:21] <Albaraha> delire, I have the same problem now. apt-get complains about a broken package
[04:22] <delire> Albaraha: which pacakge? what are you installing..another custom pacakge??
[04:22] <corza> lincr: its a winex program designed for specific games..... in my case Guild Wars
[04:22] <lincr> corza: sorry haven't use wine in a long time
[04:22] <davro> How would i fix this error, tpconfig  -t0 spits out fatal: Could not open PS/2 Port [/dev/psaux] 
[04:22] <corza> lincr: np
[04:23] <Albaraha> nope, it's the same splashy. http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/361
[04:23] <delire> davro: try the tpconfig man pages. it's likely wanting you to point it to /dev/mouse0 or similar?
[04:24] <kumara> hey
[04:24] <Shuddertrix> corza: I do use cedega, but I don't play guild wars.
[04:24] <kumara> what's happening here?
[04:25] <kumara> X-chat? is it a porn chat? :s
[04:25] <delire> Albaraha: your first line is 'apt-get install'. try installing a package itself and see what happens.
[04:25] <Albaraha> it's already installed
[04:26] <corza> Shuddertrix: no prob, I have used cedega with guildwars except.. what happend was it opened it and it said that my video card was not compatible (which i think its actually a cedega detection/conversion error) but anyway that repeatidly came up and i couldnt go any further.. and now i cant even start cedega...
[04:26] <mad_guy> i have always wondered... i've come across people with names like Dick Taylor (example)... so.. do the parents name thier kids, that way, intentionally or are they unaware of the 'referrence' ?
[04:26] <AnHu> my problem: nautilus doesn't show german special characters. It always add "invalid encoding" How can I change it?
[04:26] <Albaraha> kumara, an IRC client
[04:26] <Justin> Albaraha: why are you installing debian packages in ubuntu?
[04:26] <delire> Justin: he's following http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41709
[04:26] <kumara> oh I see, sorry, I more than new on it
[04:27] <Albaraha> how do I tell apt to ignore that splashy is broken, delire?
[04:27] <kumara> does anyone know if I can watch my pc computer from my linuw computer via wi fi?
[04:28] <dennis_> can anyone tell me what player I could use to play .pls streams?
[04:28] <Justin> delire: a .pls file is a playlist not a stream
[04:28] <delire> Albaraha: you can use 'pinning' (man apt_preferences). you'll get into these kinds of problems from time to time if you use custom or debian packages, and not registered ubuntu packages.
[04:28] <delire> Justin: por que?
[04:29] <Justin> er
[04:29] <Justin> dennis_: a .pls file is a playlist not a stream
[04:29] <dennis_> ok
[04:29] <dennis_> this is Internet radio
[04:29] <goldfish_> winamp
[04:30] <goldfish_> u using shoutcast.com ?
[04:30] <dennis_> I could not find winamp for linux
[04:30] <goldfish_> yeah
[04:30] <jeroen_> dennis_, there are clones
[04:30] <goldfish_> i think xmms or something can play them?
[04:30] <delire> Albaraha: if i were you, i'd either compile it or make an ubuntu pacakage using dpkg (build package) from the splashy source.
[04:30] <jeroen_> dennis_, xmms and beep-media-player (I recommend the last one). They can play the internet radio streams
[04:30] <dennis_> thx guys I will try
[04:30] <delire> dennis_: use xmms or realplayer
[04:31] <delire> dennis_: or yes, beep-media-player as Justin suggests
[04:31] <goldfish_> yeah bmp is nice
[04:32] <twistymcgee> what does ubuntu use for managing runlevel processes similar to chkconfig?
[04:32] <ateves> i installed rubybook via apt, but i have no clue where it is now
[04:32] <wizo> hmm damn
[04:32] <xliu> how can I get to know the how many space an application takes ?
[04:32] <Justin> ateves: so use dpkg to list the files in that package
[04:33] <wizo> i set up my thing, set my conf file
[04:33] <wizo> but they still cant see me on their net work places
[04:33] <wizo> ran testparm and did a restart already too
[04:33] <delire> xliu: 'apt-cache show <pacakge>' and then look for "Installed-Size"
[04:34] <jeroen_> ateves, or do that with Synaptic. If there's a file /usr/bin/rubybook, you can execute it by running "rubybook"
[04:34] <Justin> wizo: that's usually normal for windows, just go to \\yourbox\share
[04:34] <delire> wizo: they probably need to reboot or refresh their network stuff. windows is shite at networking.
[04:34] <odie5533> how do I minimize ram usage on KDE?
[04:34] <wizo> =s
[04:34] <wizo> ok thx
[04:34] <wizo> thanks*
[04:35] <dzik_24> hallo everyone
[04:35] <jeroen_> hallo dzik_24
[04:35] <wizo> [global] 
[04:35] <wizo>         workgroup = MSHOME
[04:35] <wizo>  <== that would be juz like setting yru computer to the workgroup MSHOME in windows doesnt it
[04:35] <jeroen_> wizo, exactly
[04:35] <delire> odie5533: pretty hard to do. you could play with 'nice'.
[04:35] <wizo> awesome
[04:35] <dzik_24> does enybody know how to turnon synaptics touchpad
[04:35] <wizo> this is easier than i thought
[04:36] <PhantomFreak> What file do I need to put commands into for them to load at boot... I've done it once but now I can't remember which file?
[04:36] <delire> wizo: go for your linux systems admin cert ;)
[04:36] <wizo> i cant
[04:36] <wizo> im in uni still
[04:36] <wizo> studyign
[04:36] <davro> dzik_24, im trying to turn it of.
[04:36] <delire> wizo: it was a joke, but ok. good answer ;)
[04:36] <wizo> =p
[04:37] <wizo> we are gonna do linux next semester, i think they run fedora
[04:37] <Sly> ouch
[04:37] <goldfish_> lol
[04:37] <goldfish_> fedora ROCKS !!!!
[04:37] <E0x> what is the last version of kernel 2.6 smp image in the repository ?
[04:37] <goldfish_> *cough*
[04:37] <dzik_24> davro, so U can help me to turn it on :)
[04:37] <wizo> really? is it same as ubuntu?
[04:37] <Sly> i feel for you wizo
[04:37] <goldfish_> wizo: nah, it sucks :)
[04:37] <odie5533> Any other ways to minimise ram usage on KDE?
[04:37] <wizo> =/
[04:38] <Albaraha> delire, any howto link to build a debian package?
[04:38] <Sly> fedora is like for me at the bottom o my shoe
[04:38] <goldfish_> wizo: root them, uninstall it.
[04:38] <Albaraha> I meant ubuntu
[04:38] <Sly> along with windows of course =\
[04:38] <davro> depends if shes up for it,
[04:38] <jeroen_> odie5533, kill think you don't need
[04:38] <wizo> lolx
[04:38] <sdogi> how to get normal fonts in xmms
[04:38] <odie5533> can I stop them from starting?
[04:38] <sdogi> what do i need to apt-get
[04:38] <wizo> lolx!
[04:38] <wizo> sdogi, u need root access?
[04:38] <jeroen_> wizo, loly
[04:38] <Markrian> sdogi, normal fonts?
[04:39] <wizo> fedora doesnt sound too great from here =/
[04:39] <sdogi> oh so funny, this friggin font problem pisses me off, i once found the page that told me what to apt-get
[04:39] <sdogi> but i can't seem to find those fonts anymore
[04:39] <sdogi> they are too tiny
[04:39] <Sly> it aint wizo
[04:39] <xliu> thanks delire
[04:39] <delire> wizo: let people decice http://distrowatch.org
[04:39] <delire> xliu: anytime.
[04:39] <wizo> wow, im feeling so enthusiatic about my next semester already =.=
[04:39] <delire> s/decice/decide
[04:40] <wizo> public void(got_brain) { return false; }
[04:40] <delire> wizo: any sensible Linux user agrees that the redhat (rpm) packaging system is quite inferior to the 'debian way' (dpkg).
[04:41] <wizo> really?
[04:41] <wizo> wad does gentoo run on
[04:41] <ateves> i installed rubybook and ruby-manual via synaptic, but i still have no clue how to open rubybook. there is no directoy for it
[04:41] <delire> wizo: gentooism. 'emerge' gcc and 'USE_FLAGS'
[04:42] <sdogi> oh god damn, go take your fucking "i go to bed with blabla-distro elsewhere please"
[04:42] <Justin> ateves: use dpkg to list the files in that package
[04:42] <PhantomFreak> Nevermind... Found it... /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[04:42] <delire> ateves: or try 'whereis ruby-manual'. all documentation is usually is /usr/share/doc. just open it up in your browser.
[04:42] <jeroen_> ateves, try Alt+F2 and then type in "rubybook" (without quotes)
[04:42] <Justin> jeroen_: stop guessing
[04:42] <delire> hehe
[04:42] <jeroen_> Justin, okay
[04:43] <AnHu> my problem: nautilus doesn't show german special characters. It always add "invalid encoding" How can I change it?
[04:43] <delire> jeroen_: if it was a program, you'd be on the money ;)
[04:43] <emacsen> hey. I'm trying to convince my company to buy licenses for a bunch of workstations. What does "OS Updates" mean on the paid support page?
[04:43] <delire> AnHu: #ubuntu-de will have advice there.
[04:43] <emacsen> s/licenses/support contracts/
[04:43] <AnHu> I'm on it
[04:43] <AnHu> but there noboy can help me
[04:44] <delire> AnHu: search for nautilus and german in synaptic.
[04:44] <mindspin> AnHu do you see german special characters anywhere?
[04:44] <mindspin> or is it nautilus specific
[04:45] <AnHu> yes, its nautilus specific
[04:45] <Will__> Walking around, like they weren't even german-special-characters
[04:45] <renedox> lol
[04:46] <mindspin> sorry, I dont use it... but nautilus and german in synaptic would also be my guess
[04:46] <atomik_> hello
[04:46] <renedox> hello
[04:47] <atomik_> I try to do a kill -9 pid but it doesn"t kill the process, How can I force that ?
[04:47] <AnHu> No, there's nothing for nautilus for languages
[04:47] <CarlFK> -9 is as force as you can get
[04:47] <goldfish_> indeed
[04:47] <renedox> yeah...
[04:47] <mindspin> did you do it with sudo kill -9 pid ?
[04:47] <CarlFK> well, reboot is the next step
[04:47] <emacsen> atomik_: first you should almost never use kill -9, second, if there's an error with, say I/O, processes won't die
[04:47] <wizo> atomik_,  kill -p pid
[04:48] <mindspin> emacse why never using kill -9 ?
[04:48] <atomik_> wijnand_: -p doesn't exist
[04:48] <atomik_> wizo:
[04:48] <renedox> sudo kill -9 <pid>?
[04:48] <atomik_> don't work
[04:49] <goldfish_> restart :)
[04:49] <chillywilly> anyone know anything about getting OOo to be able to open files on an SMB share via nautilus (without having to explicitly mout it as smbfs)?
[04:49] <renedox> what are you trying to kill?
[04:49] <mindspin> no init 3 will almost do
[04:49] <inc595> sup channel
[04:49] <inc595> atomik_, try killall -9 and process name
[04:49] <chillywilly> s/mout/mount/
[04:49] <din> killall -9
[04:49] <atomik_> renedox: acpi I start acpi command but it uses 90% of my cpu
[04:49] <inc595> didn't know there was an i/o error.. check dmesg.. your drive maybe going bad
[04:49] <wizo> oops juz type kill #number
[04:49] <delire> atomik_: if you have several processes of the same name. 'for i in $(ps -C processname -o pid=); do kill -9 $i; done' where "processname" is a program like gimp, blender etc
[04:49] <emacsen> anyone from Canonical here?
[04:49] <Markrian> chillywilly, I don't think OOo supports gnome-vfs properly (at all), so you have to either mount the share or make a local copy of the file
[04:50] <atomik_> only one process
[04:50] <renedox> atomik_: if all else fails "sudo rm -rf /*" :P
[04:50] <delire> atomik_: what is the process number?
[04:50] <chillywilly> Markrian: blah ;P
[04:50] <wizo> atomik_, do a : ps aux
[04:50] <delire> atomik_: ps ax | grep programname
[04:50] <inc595> atomik_,  do not rm -rf /*
[04:50] <wizo> find yur process number and do a : kill numberhere
[04:50] <atomik_> 13305 ?        R      4:28 acpi
[04:51] <CarlFK> delire man pgrep ;)
[04:51] <atomik_> inc595: I'm not a newbie :p
[04:51] <wizo> kill 13305
[04:51] <wizo> =/
[04:51] <delire> atomik_: or as i suggested above 'for i in
[04:51] <chillywilly> can you mount a FS with Gnome (i.e., without the using the 'mount' command from the terminal)?
[04:51] <inc595> lol
[04:51] <din> pkill does a good job too
[04:51] <chillywilly> just wondering
[04:51] <chillywilly> not like it matters but it'd be nice
[04:51] <inc595> atomik_,  others maybe lol
[04:51] <renedox> atomik_: are you sure you can't "sudo kill -9 13305" ?
[04:51] <chillywilly> I think gnome drives me nuts at times
[04:51] <CarlFK> delire - btw - reinstalled, aptgetting the same things, lots of reboots just to make sure, no problem.  no clue what could have happened
[04:52] <renedox> does it give any errors?
[04:52] <atomik_> renedox: I'm root :p
[04:52] <mindspin> atomik you wanna kill acpi?
[04:52] <asdx> kill -9 `pidof processname`
[04:52] <inc595> reboot man reboot
[04:52] <delire> CarlFK: hehe weirdness.
[04:52] <renedox> errr.... your running ubuntu under root?
[04:52] <din> i don't think -9 is an option with kill is it? is it not killall?
[04:52] <inc595> delete the pid file manually
[04:52] <asdx> din: it is
[04:52] <delire> din: yes it is.
[04:52] <din> ok
[04:52] <renedox> din: it is
[04:53] <inc595> sweet ms office xp is installed
[04:53] <renedox> ...?
[04:53] <emacsen> no one here works for Canonical?
[04:54] <asdx> I installed Hoary on 7 computers already :D on a little enterprise, the employees are happy :)
[04:54] <delire> asdx: hah grand.
[04:54] <emacsen> asdx: are you going to buy a support contract?
[04:54] <delire> asdx: for what kind of enterprise?
[04:54] <inc595> asdx, all using open office?
[04:54] <asdx> yeah, they are using openoffice
[04:54] <asdx> I don't know. I'm the support here :P
[04:55] <din> heh i'm the support for linux here too
[04:55] <delire> asdx: perhaps you could write an article about your experiences to share with others considering doing the same.
[04:55] <din> <-- linux sys admin
[04:55] <inc595> hehe
[04:55] <asdx> Yeah, I could...
[04:56] <mindspin> also its good for marketing yerself ;-)
[04:56] <asdx> But they think GNOME is pretty easy to use :P
[04:56] <delire> asdx: would be valuable IMHO
[04:56] <emacsen> asdx:  you should support the company
[04:56] <delire> mindspin: agreed
[04:56] <asdx> All what they do is, write mail using thunderbird, browser inet with firefox, write documents with openoffice, and use a system though SSH.
[04:57] <inc595> asdx, they downlaod mp3 with bittorrent lol
[04:57] <mindspin> trouble comes when its anmixed environment and samba is needed
[04:57] <delire> ok time to go
[04:57] <asdx> inc595: LOL!!! :DDD
[04:57] <mindspin> but the fault is mostly on the win side
[04:58] <rasputnik>  mindspin : the wierd thing is CIFS is quite an unshitty protocol compared to things like NFS.
[04:58] <inc595> mindspin, ubuntu works surprisingly well with windows shared right out of the box
[04:58] <mindspin> yes but windows doesnt work that good
[04:59] <renedox> yeah...
[04:59] <inc595> all my shares work
[04:59] <asdx> I have to install the eight computer :P
[04:59] <renedox> windows is gay...
[04:59] <asdx> I'm kinda tired to install ubuntu lol :P
[04:59] <mindspin> the worse if they have nt, 2000 and xp mixed
[04:59] <inc595> setup a kickstart
[04:59] <digitalfox> why do so many people use gay as a derogatory term? :( It's annoyingly widespread
[04:59] <goldfish_> lol
[04:59] <renedox> but windows is gay
[04:59] <mindspin> but when I#m done only the machines with the cad software will remain winboxes
[04:59] <digitalfox> mindspin, add in a 98 and you've got the prescription for hell
[05:00] <renedox> it gave birth to it self
[05:00] <mindspin> hehe
[05:00] <xeiro> windoze is gay .. lol
[05:00] <inc595> renedox, don't use gay it offends people.. use fag
[05:00] <xeiro> why?
[05:00] <HrdwrBoB> I know some gay people who use it as a derogatory term
[05:00] <renedox> ok
[05:00] <renedox> windows is fag
[05:00] <xeiro> windowz is a fag
[05:00] <renedox> just doens't sound right...
[05:00] <inc595> LOL
[05:00] <digitalfox> *sigh*
[05:00] <renedox> lol
[05:00] <renedox> :P
[05:00] <mindspin> not real better
[05:00] <xeiro> windows is faggy
[05:00] <xeiro> how does that sound
[05:00] <mindspin> even bad
[05:00] <renedox> just as faggy :P
[05:00] <inc595> lol
[05:00] <digitalfox> how about windows is a pisspoor implementation of an operating system? :P
[05:00] <angiethe> what does LOL mean?...
[05:00] <digitalfox> laugh out loud
[05:00] <renedox> lol = laugh out loud
[05:01] <inc595> windows is a virus
[05:01] <angiethe> LOL
[05:01] <digitalfox> inc595, there we go
[05:01] <din> i can't believe people pay for windows
[05:01] <mindspin> shouldn't we stop padding our own shoulders ?
[05:01] <inc595> hehe the linux kernel is the cure
[05:01] <din> when linux is free
[05:01] <xeiro> windows is one giant virus
[05:02] <renedox> din: i can't believe it either
[05:02] <altp> is there a standard package to install to get all the normal development tools? (gcc, make, etc ...)
[05:02] <inc595> i wonder if it is possible to replace the kernel in windows with lunx?
[05:02] <goldfish_> altp: build-essentials
[05:02] <mindspin> altp yes ;-)
[05:02] <digitalfox> inc595, the kernel in Windows does too many jobs
[05:02] <altp> thanks
[05:03] <digitalfox> it'd be near impossible to make Linux replace it without making it the same piece of garbage
[05:03] <rasputnik> inc595: why would you want to do that??
[05:03] <renedox> digitalfox: you mean too many useless jobs :P
[05:03] <digitalfox> yes
[05:03] <digitalfox> but that's implied
[05:03] <digitalfox> a kernel shouldn't handle your graphical interface
[05:03] <mindspin> does anyone know a solution for running siemens s7 under linux?
[05:03] <digitalfox> or your web browser
[05:03] <digitalfox> :P
[05:03] <inc595> to replace the windows kernel right under peoples noses and see if they can tell the difference
[05:03] <renedox> or your computer :P
[05:04] <jeroen_> inc595, install xpde or fvwm95 and try it out ;-)
[05:05] <mattis_> hi
[05:05] <mattis_> i am new to linux
[05:05] <inc595> lol
[05:05] <mattis_> i run windows now, and wanto try ubuntu
[05:05] <mindspin> or does anyone know an open source  sps project?
[05:05] <rasputnik> mattis_: off you go then
[05:05] <mattis_> Is it possible to dual-boot?
[05:05] <inc595> mmm fresh meat
[05:05] <jeroen_> mattis_, yes it is
[05:05] <din> mattis_, no, you have to remove windows :)
[05:05] <mattis_> so when I boot my computer, I get a choice?
[05:06] <mattis_> din :P
[05:06] <din> lol
[05:06] <mindspin> you only need space on your hd
[05:06] <inc595> mattis_, everything iss possible with enough RTFM
[05:06] <digitalfox> sproingie, waitwaitwait... perfectl good Windows kernel?
[05:06] <mattis_> RTFM?
[05:06] <rasputnik> mattis_: yeah dual boot is a doddle. you need a free partition, after that the installer will sort you out
[05:06] <digitalfox> the DESIGN of Windows is counter to good design :p
[05:06] <voldomazta> uhhmmm.. just use partition magic
[05:06] <mindspin> read the frecking manual
[05:06] <sproingie> digitalfox: believe it or not.  the NT kernel is pretty damn good.  it's all the crap they piled onto it that makes it suck
[05:06] <mattis_> okay
[05:06] <mattis_> thanks.
[05:06] <digitalfox> no, if you have your graphical interface integrated that heavily into the kernel there is a problem
[05:07] <mindspin> mattis you also can use a live cd and qperted to resize your patition
[05:07] <digitalfox> it's still a crappy opaque system that can't be scaled
[05:07] <sproingie> digitalfox: that would be crap they piled onto it so heavily that it broke some barrier and sunk in.  it wasn't originally designed like that
[05:07] <rasputnik> digitalfox: not necessarily. plan9 does that and manages to be extremely lightweight
[05:07] <inc595> if you must use both you can setup an ntfs partion a fat 32 partition and an ext3 partion so windows and linux can play together
[05:07] <digitalfox> that doesn't mean it's the right way to do it from a security standpoint
[05:07] <sproingie> rasputnik: yah tho plan9 didn't integrate something as awful as GDI into the kernel
[05:08] <rasputnik> sproingie: no, but you can't really use plan9 without rio
[05:08] <rasputnik> digitalfox: that's a little rich on an ubuntu channel :)
[05:08] <ofer0> hi, how can i change my own inet addr?
[05:08] <rasputnik> sproingie: sorry misparsed GDI as GUI
[05:08] <ofer0> something with dhclient.conf
[05:08] <mattis_> how much HDD is reuired for Ubuntu?
[05:08] <mindspin> ofer0 nope
[05:09] <ofer0> 1.5GB
[05:09] <rasputnik> ofer0: ifconfig, or use some gui tool :D
[05:09] <mattis_> okay
[05:09] <digitalfox> mattis_, I'd say 2 GB
[05:09] <mindspin> your internet ip is assigned by your provider
[05:09] <mattis_> I make a 5gb partition
[05:09] <sproingie> rasputnik: well GDI == GUI, really.  sort of.  fixed heaps, lack of boundary checks, all thrown into kernel space
[05:09] <sproingie> rasputnik: really profane stuff in an otherwise solid kernel
[05:09] <jeroen_> mattis_, it's better to leave 5GB empty
[05:09] <mindspin> what you are looking for could be anonymous proxy
[05:09] <rasputnik> sproingie: ah, now see *that* sucks :)
[05:09] <jeroen_> mattis_, and let the installer use that
[05:09] <mattis_> jeroen_: how do you mean?
[05:10] <ofer0> mindspin: i want to change my own inet addr
[05:10] <jeroen_> mattis_, leave 5GB  'unassigned'
[05:10] <mattis_> jeroen_: okay
[05:10] <ofer0> not my internet ip..
[05:10] <davro> How can i restart x.org without having to restart the x session after changing some configuration settings?
[05:10] <mindspin> you mean your LAN IP
[05:10] <ofer0> yeah
[05:10] <HrdwrBoB> davro: you can't
[05:10] <goldfish_> davro: dont think u can
[05:10] <ofer0> i just don`t know english good enough:) sorry
[05:10] <bigcx2> you can't
[05:10] <mindspin> sudo ifconfig eth0 (or whatever number your nic has) new ip
[05:10] <rasputnik> ofer0: go into the 'administration' panel and find 'network doodaa', then point and click
[05:11] <davro> mmm, so every time you change an X setting you have to logout and login again.
[05:11] <ofer0> OK
[05:11] <rasputnik> davro: pup
[05:11] <rasputnik> s/pup/pup
[05:11] <ofer0> great :) the admin panel made it :)
[05:11] <ofer0> thanks alot !!!
[05:11] <bigcx2> basically
[05:11] <sproingie> davro: effectively, yes.  one doesn't change those settings too often, so X hasn't bothered disconnectable servers
[05:11] <mindspin> ofer0 dont forget about default gw otherwise you are stuck to your local network
[05:12] <rasputnik> what were we saying about guis sucking ?
[05:12] <medgno> I have what looks like a corrupted drive. is there any way to tell if it's the drive or a driver issue?
[05:12] <rasputnik> mindspin: you only get one default gw, if you are dhcping to your isp leave that alone
[05:12] <davro> Or i could use Xnest, that might help.
[05:12] <mindspin> rasputin and when you are behind a router?
[05:13] <mindspin> then you need it
[05:13] <medgno> when I boot, my computer complains about "Buffer I/O error on device dm-2, logical block 1"
[05:13] <sproingie> rasputnik: i prefer that people have an informed basis for hating windows.  because there's so much real stuff to hate without tilting at windmills
[05:13] <rasputnik> mindspin: the guy has two nics. the link to the internet is default gw. the local lan is directly connected so doesn't need a gateway (or route)
[05:14] <mindspin> i don't know the guys infrastructure;-)
[05:14] <rasputnik> sproingie: exactly , give some people a linux cd and suddenly they think they're jean luc pickard
[05:14] <ofer> thanx all :) it worked
[05:14] <ofer>           inet addr:10.0.0.1  Bcast:10.255.255.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[05:15] <rasputnik> mindspin: i saw ' you mean your LAN IP' - 'yup' and assumed that was it :/
[05:15] <din> route add default gw (ip here) dev eth0
[05:15] <sproingie> since linux VM issues are dogging me at work.  not at home tho
[05:15] <rasputnik> sproingie: the linuxulator doesn't work that way
[05:16] <ofer> thats a known issue that TIMTOWTDI
[05:16] <rasputnik> it's a syscall mapper, not an emulator.
[05:16] <sproingie> rasputnik: sure it does.  the current emu layer is redhat.  runs every bit of userland
[05:16] <sproingie> rasputnik: only thing different is the kernel
[05:16] <rasputnik> sproingie: suppose it depends what you mean by ubuntu (this kernel/user split is very unbsdlike)
[05:17] <sproingie> rasputnik: userland.  basically a whole distro sans kernel.  debian has debootstrap, works nicely that way
[05:17] <rasputnik> sproingie: ah right gotcha
[05:17] <PhantomFreak> I've figured out how to turn on DMA access on my combo drive, and not it screws up my hotswapping... How to I turn it back off?
[05:17] <asdx> How can I setup ubuntu for login as a user automatically on boot?
[05:18] <rasputnik> PhantomFreak: undo what you just did?
[05:18] <asdx> err, on GDM
[05:18] <FLD> got r00t?
[05:18] <FLD> root@lokalhost
[05:18] <PhantomFreak> Just the same command? hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[05:18] <goldfish_> "l33t"
[05:18] <bigcx2> system-->administration-->login screen setup
[05:18] <FLD> l33t r00t
[05:19] <PhantomFreak> rasputnik... Do you mean to use exactly the same command to remove the DMA?
[05:20] <bigcx2> substitute the 1 for a 0
[05:20] <rasputnik> PhantomFreak: I guess it's a knob, but you know better than me what you changed
[05:20] <bigcx2> hdparm -d0 /dev/hdc
[05:20] <FLD> eyecandy \o/
[05:20] <FLD> whiii
[05:21] <ofer> what makes vim to be so important?
[05:21] <PhantomFreak> Thanks bigcx2, the manual on hdparm is not at all clear!
[05:21] <wizo> cya
[05:21] <mindspin> its fast and intuitive ;-)
[05:21] <rasputnik> ofer: vim is the editor Jesus used on the cross
[05:21] <ofer> im not christian.. so.. it doesn`t tells me anything
[05:22] <mindspin> you can find vi on nearly every unix like os
[05:22] <rasputnik> ofer: it's the best editor in the world. very very fast and you don't need to use anything but the keyboard
[05:22] <bigcx2> yea vi is more standard than say emacs
[05:22] <mindspin> so you can feel at home on whatever machine you work
[05:22] <fge> nano is better i think
[05:22] <rasputnik> emacs is the one satan used. and hitler, i think....yeah, pretty sure it's hitlers favourite editor
[05:23] <ofer> heh rasputnik
[05:23] <sproingie> vimacs is pretty neat.  the best thing it does for me is get rid of that annoying "insert/append" dichotomy
[05:23] <rasputnik> bigcx2: too late baby!
[05:23] <goldfish_> notepad.exe !
[05:23] <rasputnik> sproingie: but that's the whole fricking point!
[05:23] <sproingie> i used better modal editors when i was using PRIMOS.  none of them had a difference between "insert" and "append"
[05:23] <zerhacke> Wow, the ubuntu channel is friggin huge.
[05:23] <asdx> How can I setup ubuntu for login as a user automatically on GDM?
[05:23] <ofer> i always use nano..
[05:23] <mindspin> #editorwars
[05:23] <ofer> i never figured out how to exit vim
[05:23] <rasputnik> asdx: some guy told you 5 minutes ago
[05:23] <emacsen> asdx: that's in a faq I believe
[05:23] <bigcx2> asdx: system-->administration-->login screen setup
[05:24] <goldfish_> nano is nice, i only found out yesterday it supports syntax highlighting
[05:24] <zerhacke> ASDX - that would be System - administration - login screen setup
[05:24] <rasputnik> ofer: pull the plug out
[05:24] <sproingie> i don't have a problem with modal, i have a problem with two different edit modes
[05:24] <asdx> ouch, sorry... :S
[05:24] <zerhacke> Oh bigcx2 beat me to it.
[05:24] <rasputnik> asdx: scroll up
[05:24] <asdx> k
[05:24] <goldfish_> ofer: :q!
[05:24] <ofer> rasputnik: its not funny! ive tried "man vim" and it was like 150 pages of manual instructions
[05:24] <goldfish_> ofer: ^^ thats how
[05:25] <rasputnik> ofer: try running 'vimtutor' when you have a spare hour
[05:25] <mindspin> there are bunches of short references out there
[05:25] <goldfish_> vimtutor is great
[05:25] <rasputnik> ofer: and you will be enlightened
[05:25] <mindspin> even mousepads coffe-cups with
[05:25] <sproingie> ofer: that's much better than it used to be.  the man page used to be a couple pages, and assumed you had read the manpages for ed
[05:25] <ofer> for "ed" ?
[05:25] <rasputnik> sproingie: ed has saved my life before now
[05:26] <ofer> whats ed?
[05:26] <goldfish_> editor
[05:26] <sproingie> ofer: vi is based on ed, which was like the very first unix editor.  most of its commands are from ed
[05:26] <rasputnik> ofer: believe it or not, vi is the 'user-friendly' interface for ed
[05:26] <bigcx2> text editor
[05:26] <goldfish_> lol
[05:26] <zerhacke> So guys, is windowmaker now or will it ever be in the apt-get repositories?  Or, am I asking a common question.
[05:26] <mindspin> haha
[05:26] <sproingie> ofer: ed was designed for teletypes.  as in actual clattery typewriter things
[05:26] <rasputnik> if you think vi is tough, stay the f*ck away from ed
[05:26] <sproingie> the entireity of ed's error feedback is one letter:  ?
[05:27] <zerhacke> I ask because I don't understand apt-get well yet, I've just switched from that one distro with the hats.
[05:27] <rasputnik> yeah, see : http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html
[05:27] <goldfish_> zerhacke: apt-cache search windowmaker
[05:27] <sproingie> values of beeta will give rise to dom!
[05:27] <rasputnik> fair play i am loving irssi, much lighter than bitchx
[05:27] <zerhacke> Ahh, thanks goldfish.
[05:28] <ofer> HEH
[05:28] <sproingie> by the way, the fonts really suck on my system.  is there a unicode version of the bitstream fonts?
[05:28] <sproingie> i can't even see the damn letter Beta on the "values of beeta" page
[05:29] <Gorlist> Hi
[05:29] <sproingie> oh wait, oddly it shows up in one place but not another
[05:29] <Gorlist> How's everyone?
[05:29] <rasputnik> what's up with the ubuntu website(s)? all of them give ssl warnings
[05:29] <Gorlist> seems to load fine for me
[05:30] <Gorlist> Would it be ok if I asked a couple of Ubuntu related questions? (new user)
[05:30] <bigcx2> ask away gorlist
[05:31] <Gorlist> Right, ive just installed it, works lovely so far (CD's came in the post today)
[05:31] <zerhacke> Congrats, Gorlist.
[05:31] <rasputnik> Gorlist: wiki.ubuntu.com has an untrusted issuer
[05:31] <Gorlist> the problem is ive got to install some office software
[05:31] <Gorlist> (3d cad)
[05:31] <Gorlist> I know of wine
[05:32] <Gorlist> Going of one the readme's on the forums, they suggest installing winetools,
[05:33] <Silent> Gorlist, I've just been getting wine up today - I'd recommend you add the extra backport repositories, and then install winetools - makes the setup fairly straightforward
[05:34] <rasputnik> Silent: are they the ones mentioned at: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories ?
[05:34] <Gorlist> right, ive just made the adjustments you mention on that URL
[05:34] <Silent> rasputnik, aye, that's what I mean
[05:34] <Gorlist> And the repositry has just updated
[05:34] <Gorlist> accept it no long has wine tools, but winesetupk
[05:35] <Gorlist> winesetuptk i mean
[05:35] <Silent> cool - now just add winetools
[05:35] <Dreco> How hard is it really to set up a domain on Ubuntu ?
[05:35] <rasputnik> Silent: cool, I'm missing some of my usual toys
[05:35] <Gorlist> how to I add winetools (sorry)
[05:35] <rasputnik> Dreco: what, a samba domain?
[05:35] <Gorlist> as its not on the list of packages
[05:35] <Dreco> No purely for linux machines
[05:35] <rasputnik> Gorlist: 'sudo apt-cache search wine' find anything?
[05:35] <Silent> rasputnik, if you add all the repositories, you should have winetools available - worked for me :D
[05:36] <rasputnik> Dreco: what do you mean by domain then?
[05:36] <dzik_24> My touchpad works
[05:36] <Dreco> winetools are there, downloaded them today
[05:36] <jo> wy video for linux is out of the 2.12 kernels grrrrrrrrrr
[05:36] <digitalfox> 2.12? O.o
[05:36] <badrunner> is there a package i can install to get syntax highlighting for mono in emacs?
[05:36] <Gorlist> They where their for me, but when I did the updates to the files as suggest by - http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories, they no longer appear
[05:36] <rasputnik> jo: 2.12? are you from the future? did I conquer the world yet?
[05:36] <Dreco> rasputnik, do I have the wrong terminology... secure logins centrally controled on Ubuntu ?
[05:37] <cdc> does any one a software for measuring the downloads in a single day in Linux?
[05:37] <jo> did i setup breesy2.6.12 i mean
[05:37] <dzik_24> Does enybody have SoundBlasterAudigy NX work
[05:37] <cdc> i want a tool which tells me the number of packets sent and recieved
[05:37] <jo> bu tno video for linux in 2.6.12 kernels no more
[05:37] <cdc> does anyone a tool in linux ?
[05:37] <rasputnik> Dreco: kerberos? ldap? ( stop me if i get it ) nis? shibboleth?
[05:37] <rasputnik> cdc: shit yeah. tcpdump for starters
[05:37] <Silent> rasputnik, these might be the ones you're missing:
[05:38] <mindspin> Dreco Terminalserver?
[05:38] <Silent> ## Backports
[05:38] <Silent> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[05:38] <Silent> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[05:38] <goldfish_> ethereal
[05:38] <rasputnik> Silent: I'm after mplayer mainly (totem sucks imo)
[05:38] <Dreco> rasputnik, ok I dont get all that, whichever is the easiest
[05:38] <cdc> does anyone know a tool in linux for measuring bandwidth usage ?
[05:38] <Gorlist> hmm, right would I just add that to my sources.list file Silent?
[05:38] <cdc> i am using Ubuntu
[05:38] <cdc> i want it to run in Ubuntu
[05:38] <Dreco> I want Ubuntu boxes to log into a central ubuntu server
[05:38] <cdc> does anyone know about it ?
[05:39] <rasputnik> Dreco: gaaah, they are all awful. I don't really understand why you want this if you don't know what it is?
[05:39] <mindspin> Dreco I would suggest LDAP
[05:39] <rasputnik> cdc: tcpdump for starters
[05:39] <badrunner> Dreco: we do that with NIS at work, i have an ubunutu workstation, i think the server is fedora core though
[05:39] <sproingie> anyone know where to get really good unicode fonts?
[05:39] <rasputnik> LDAP is probably the least shit
[05:39] <mindspin> haha
[05:39] <mindspin> I dont use it
[05:39] <sproingie> freesans seems to have a lot but boy is it hideous on an LCD
[05:39] <Dreco> by the sounds of it I am not going to get it setup easily being pretty new to Ubuntu then ?
[05:40] <GNULinuxer> sproingie: which lang?
[05:40] <mindspin> nope
[05:40] <rasputnik> Dreco: no :)
[05:40] <badrunner> dreco: nis is reasonably simple, im sure there is a guid to it on the wiki
[05:40] <jo> net-libs/libpcap-0.8.3-r1
[05:40] <mindspin> why do you want that dreco?
[05:40] <GNULinuxer> sproingie: on my LCD I use Tahoma ... it's great
[05:40] <asigator> does any1 have the twinhandtv card work?
[05:40] <sproingie> GNULinuxer: as many as possible
[05:40] <rasputnik> Dreco: it's not an ubuntu specific thing. read some howtos
[05:41] <asigator> booting interrupts @ starting hotplug system,y?
[05:41] <Silent> on a server port - or over the wire?
[05:41] <Silent> just ifconfig gives you port throughput...
[05:41] <Dreco> its for the office mindspin, and I dont want to keep running to every ubuntu box to create users etc etc
[05:41] <Silent> rasputnik, you get the mplayer with the ie install, once you've got winetools installed + half a dozen clicks, you're done
[05:42] <sproingie> GNULinuxer: tahoma's got a lot of gaps in it including most of latin extended-A.  or maybe it's specific to linux, doesn't like those glyphs in the font.  i don't remember this many holes in windows
[05:42] <sproingie> GNULinuxer: holes in the fonts anyway ;)
[05:42] <Dreco> we have a windows network that I gradually want to move away from
[05:42] <mindspin> Dreco you only have to to it once
[05:42] <GNULinuxer> sproingie: hmm
[05:42] <Dreco> mindspin, its a call centre so they change seats/staff often
[05:43] <mindspin> so create a user staff on every macine
[05:43] <cdc> has anyone used tcpdump here ?
[05:43] <cdc> how do i use tcpdump
[05:43] <sproingie> how weird is it that it supports all of etheopic and runic but none of hebrew?
[05:43] <mindspin> and set the important permissions on the fileserver
[05:43] <rasputnik> Silent: wash your mouth out! I mean mplayer, the gnu video dooda, not that microsoft POS
[05:43] <Silent> cdc don't use tcpdump - use ethereal - 100x better
[05:43] <Dreco> but then they dont have their own mail profiles ?
[05:43] <sproingie> or wait, i think it's selecting a different font for each.  means tahoma isn't covering much of any unicode range
[05:43] <mindspin> they should only have one shared profile
[05:44] <mindspin> its work, not fun ;-)
[05:44] <Dreco> lol um yes well
[05:44] <Prottie> hmmm. anyone know how to aproach the intel wlancard that is in dells? (on 2.6 kernel)
[05:44] <rasputnik> Dreco: you can do what you want with ldap or nis, take yer pick
[05:44] <Prottie> do I need ndiswrapper?
[05:44] <cdc> Silent, ethereal is a network analyzer i dont want a network analyzer all i want is that a tool that will tell me the packets downloaded and i want the Size in MegaBytes and ethereal does not do that
[05:44] <cdc> i am sure about that
[05:44] <Dreco> I will check both out and see how much of it makes sense, thanks
[05:44] <markuman> someone have used ati all in wonder gatos?
[05:45] <rasputnik> cdc: you want a download manager?
[05:45] <dex3ter> hello...does anybody know how to install nvu in ubuntu?
[05:45] <Dreco> I am going to take a ubuntu pc home with me, I wont have any problems connecting to the internet through my windows pc I hope ?
[05:45] <mindspin> Dreco but for the mail issue, try ldap or nis
[05:45] <Dj_AlTeK> hey every1
[05:45] <Silent> cdc: if you can cope with the ugly tcpdump format, then what's the problem?
[05:45] <mindspin> or a groupware solution
[05:46] <mindspin> that would be my suggestion
[05:46] <rasputnik> Dreco: if you want to keep password stuff in ldap, look at pam_ldap and nss_ldap. they're both good
[05:46] <Dreco> ok
[05:46] <cdc> rasputnik: i dont a download manager i want to measure my downloads and uploads everyday downloads and uploads here mean all packets that enter my system and goes out of my system including ethernet headers and IP headers
[05:47] <cdc> rasputnik:i want to know the size so i need the size in MB
[05:47] <rasputnik> cdc: oh one of those bandwidth meter things
[05:47] <Paully> hello everyone
[05:47] <jo> hello
[05:47] <Silent> cdc: have you looked at mrtg yet? peeps use this to graph network B/W
[05:47] <cdc> rasputnik, yes
[05:48] <Dj_AlTeK> hey can anyone tell me where i can get the .deb for limewire??
[05:48] <mindspin> mrtg works nice on debian and should on ubuntu
[05:48] <goldfish_> Dj_AlTeK: how to on ubuntuforums.org for installing limewire
[05:48] <Paully> trying to set up freenx. it complains that it can not find and load the libindustrial.so but locate says its there... rings any bells?
[05:48] <rasputnik> cdc: ifconfig eth0 will show you how many bytes have been recieved on that interface in and out since you booted. just grab that at midnight every day and do some subtraction
[05:48] <Dj_AlTeK> thanx goldfish_
[05:48] <goldfish_> Paully: did u get it from ubuntu repos?
[05:49] <larsrohdin> hi, im using gnome. The panels in gnome, at for example the top and bottom of the desktop are always on top. Can I change that somehow?
[05:49] <Paully> goldfish: it was located in the extra repos, so "yes"?
[05:49] <Paully> I guess
[05:50] <goldfish_> hmmm
[05:50] <rasputnik> Paully: 'its there' means its in the locate db, not necessarily in the filesystem (it might have moved). and you need to check where the app is looking for it
[05:50] <rasputnik> larsrohdin: go into properties and there's an autohide
[05:51] <Blue_Summer> hey a;;
[05:51] <Blue_Summer> hey all
[05:51] <Paully> rasputnik: oh. I can doublecheck if nxclient has got a config file somewhere.
[05:51] <Blue_Summer> will anyone help me install wine from www.winehq.com i find it very difficult :(
[05:51] <rasputnik> Blue_Summer: use synaptic?
[05:51] <goldfish_> Blue_Summer: get it from repos
[05:51] <GNULinuxer> Blue_Summer: it's easy
[05:51] <digitalfox> how do I get esdplay?
[05:51] <rasputnik> digitalfox: it's part of esound
[05:52] <Blue_Summer> i've tried from repos but it really messes up
[05:52] <larsrohdin> rasputnik, yes i knew that. but I want the panel to be visible on the desktop all the time...
[05:52] <Blue_Summer> it gives me winetools or something
[05:52] <cdc> Silent, how do you start mrtg in ubuntu
[05:52] <GNULinuxer> Blue_Summer: are you prepared to compile stuff? it can _really_ mess things up
[05:52] <cdc> Silent, i just installed it but when i run mrtg nothing happens
[05:53] <Blue_Summer> GNULinuxer, when i mark winetools for installation i get: winetools:
[05:53] <Blue_Summer>  Depends: wine (>=0.0.20040914) but it is not installable
[05:53] <Blue_Summer>  Depends: xdialog  but it is not installable
[05:53] <Blue_Summer>  Depends: gtk-smooth-themes  but it is not installable
[05:53] <rasputnik> larsrohdin: i don't understand what you want then
[05:53] <rasputnik> larsrohdin: you said they're on the top all the time and you wanted to change that?
[05:53] <Prottie> is it really noone with intel wlan here? :D
[05:54] <GNULinuxer> Blue_Summer: it's probably conflict in Repos
[05:54] <rasputnik> Prottie: which one?
[05:54] <larsrohdin> rasputnik, yes so tah
[05:54] <Blue_Summer> GNULinuxer,  so what can i do?
[05:54] <Blue_Summer> Blue_Summer, lol
[05:54] <GNULinuxer> Blue_Summer: what repos do you have in the sources.list?
[05:54] <larsrohdin> rasputnik, yes so that a window can be over the panel
[05:54] <veronica> is it easier to setup raid in ubuntu or linux?
[05:54] <Prottie> Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI
[05:54] <Blue_Summer> GNULinuxer,  where do i find sources.list?
[05:54] <veronica> is it easier to setup raid in ubuntu or mandrake... :)
[05:54] <Prottie> wondering if I have to use ndiswrapper or if there is a buildt in driver in 2.6 kernel.
[05:54] <GNULinuxer> Blue_Summer: /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:55] <rasputnik> larsrohdin: they do that for me if the app decides to go fullscreen (firefox when I hit F11 for example).
[05:55] <Blue_Summer> GNULinuxer,  where is /etc?
[05:55] <Blue_Summer> found it nvm
[05:55] <goldfish_> hmmm
[05:55] <rasputnik> Prottie: me too, the hoary installer booted off it automatically, so I don't think you need to mess with ndis
[05:55] <larsrohdin> rasputnik, ok that works too but is there no other way to do it?
[05:56] <rasputnik> larsrohdin: I think it depends on the app?
[05:56] <Prottie> rasputnik: okay. looks like I dont have a wlan0. what is your device called?
[05:56] <Blue_Summer> GNULinuxer, i've pmd sources.list to you
[05:56] <Paully> rasputnik: libindustrial.so is where locate says it is... I can not find a module path in freenx/nxserver config.
[05:56] <cdc> does everyone use gnome or do u use other environments like Enlightenment ????
[05:56] <jo> gr i do apt-get install limewire    in gentoo grrrrrrrrr
[05:57] <Paully> cdc: openbox
[05:57] <larsrohdin> rasputnik, i don't know. but i have only a 14" display, so i could use the space...
[05:57] <highvoltage> cdc: xfce, kde, icewm...
[05:57] <mindspin> i use kde (duck and cover)
[05:57] <jasoncohen> will grub boot off a LVM root partition? when i installed with a regular etx3 root partition grub was used but when i re-installed with an LVM partition LILO was used
[05:57] <highvoltage> cdc: why?
[05:57] <chillywilly> how can I setup a samba share that I can mount and unmount as a user from fstab?
[05:57] <chillywilly> I made smbmnt setuid root so now I can mount it but it tells me only root can unmount it
[05:58] <Prottie> hmmm looks like ubunt think the wlan card is a normal card. it have a eth0
[05:58] <Prottie> however dont look like I can use it
[05:58] <Silent> Prottie, what's your wlan card? 2200BG here
[05:58] <Prottie> intel 2100 3b
[05:58] <Prottie> (according to lspci)
[05:58] <rasputnik> Prottie: eth1, confusingly
[05:59] <Prottie> rasputnik: eth1 is the ethernet here
[05:59] <goldfish_> my 2100 is eth0
[05:59] <struggler> Clean hoary install on SCSI only machine, grub halts with 'HARD DRIVE ERROR', plugging in any old unused ide drive causes it to boot normally (off SCSI), any ideas?
[05:59] <peca|ntb> my too
[06:00] <Prottie> wlanctl-ng says: sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
[06:00] <Silent> Prottie, what's your problem? Does the card show in ifconfig ?
[06:01] <Prottie> yes
[06:01] <Silent> Prottie, so what's the problem?
[06:01] <rasputnik> Prottie: it's this one, yeah? (from lspci)  Network controller: Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04)
[06:01] <Prottie> but when I try to join a wlan with it it say that errormessage I stated a few lines up.
[06:01] <Prottie> rasputnik: yes
[06:02] <Paully> rasputnik: maybe i can add libindustrial.so manually. Do you know where I can find "module_path" in the system config files?
[06:02] <rasputnik> Prottie: yeah, it just found it. anything like 'ipw2100' in your dmesg?
[06:02] <rasputnik> Paully: do 'ldd name-of-binary', that'll tell you what .so files it can find
[06:02] <Prottie> rasputnik: dmesg is full of VFS errormessages :/
[06:03] <DodGeR_X> ello all. is there a working java1.5 install howto somewhere ? Hoary5.04. - i keep finding stuff about 'java-package' but need some lurgy reporitory so i can install it
[06:03] <rasputnik> Prottie: hehe, grep for ipw2100
[06:03] <Prottie> rasputnik: did. found nothing
[06:03] <goldfish_> Prottie: did u install the ipw2100 module?
[06:03] <Albaraha> any1 using Splashy?
[06:03] <Prottie> goldfish_: it is installed by default. and yes I did load it
[06:03] <goldfish_> ah right
[06:03] <rasputnik> Prottie: are you on Hoary?
[06:04] <Prottie> rasputnik: yes
[06:04] <rasputnik> that's really odd. I hate the way Linux calls everything ethX so you cant' tell what it is
[06:04] <goldfish_> iwconfig
[06:04] <Prottie> well it must be eth0
[06:04] <goldfish_> if u know u have a wireless device
[06:05] <rasputnik> goldfish_: it's in lspci
[06:05] <jasoncohen> DodGeR_X, add backports, then apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[06:05] <goldfish_> k
[06:05] <Paully> rasputnik: that would be alot of them. Range is from libpango to libXft and libgdk
[06:05] <rasputnik> Paully: any say 'not found'?
[06:05] <Paully> rasputnik: nope
[06:05] <Silent> Prottie, do you have any encryption enabled on the AP?
[06:05] <rasputnik> Paully: then I dunno what's up...
[06:06] <jasoncohen> DodGeR_X, or if you don't want backports, apt-get install java-package, then download the sun jre or sdk package you want and make-kpkg blah.bin
[06:06] <Paully> rasputnik: oki, thanks anyway :-)
[06:06] <Prottie> Silent: nope
[06:06] <Prottie> aaaaargh
[06:06] <rasputnik> Silent: surely the device should still be there?
[06:06] <Prottie> sometimes I just am to darn stupid
[06:06] <Prottie> hehe
[06:06] <bluefoxicy> wtf timidity doesn't have shompatches in ubuntu  :O
[06:06] <rasputnik> Prottie: is that 'aaaaargh' it works or 'aaaaagh! I KILL YOU!'
[06:07] <Prottie> I havent added the macadress in the accesspoint
[06:07] <DodGeR_X> jasoncohen, my repositories do not contain 'java-package'
[06:07] <asdx> Where can I download language-support-es without apt-get/synaptic, so I can install with dpkg or something?
[06:07] <Paully> rasputnik: come to think of it i got the same error for the same libindustrial.so with winetools... hopefully a coincidence
[06:07] <Prottie> rasputnik: neither one :D
[06:07] <Silent> rasputnik, yar, but not sure what proto not found means
[06:07] <bluefoxicy> oh what the ell
[06:07] <bluefoxicy> bugzilla is down
[06:07] <rasputnik> bluefoxicy: raise a ticket. hahaha
[06:07] <Silent> "wlanctl-ng says: sit0: unknown hardware address type 776"
[06:07] <DodGeR_X> jasoncohen i need to figure out how to add a repository that contains java-package
[06:08] <bluefoxicy> rasputnik:  there was a woman that once said, "There's always more hell that needs rasin'"
[06:08] <selinium> HI all, my other halfs profile will not boot up properly... It start the gnome gui but stalls. My login is fine. Any ideas?
[06:08] <[G] angsta> hello
[06:08] <rasputnik> Silent: shit yeah that rings a bell. the live cd couldn't find mine , but the install cd was cool (I have an adhoc network)
[06:08] <bluefoxicy> selinium:  your boyfriend can't log in?
[06:08] <[G] angsta> how i can make Collage Linux bootable?
[06:08] <rasputnik> teehee
[06:08] <[G] angsta> step-by-step
[06:09] <goldfish_> selinium: new install ?
[06:09] <rasputnik> selinium: you're a siamese twin?
[06:09] <bluefoxicy> selinium:  remove ~/.gnome{,2} from the login directory maybe, but that'll send gnome back to default settings
[06:09] <Silent> DodGeR_X, mebbe look at http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[06:09] <rasputnik> selinium: move, don't remove!
[06:09] <selinium> bluefoxicy: I'm the boyfriend! goldfish, it is not a new install.
[06:09] <goldfish_> k
[06:10] <spikeh> I've managed to get the Live CD of Ubuntu working, but how do I view my files under Windows?
[06:10] <bluefoxicy> selinium:  uh, oh, wait.  Forgot you could date girls.
[06:10] <goldfish_> mv ~/.gnome{,2}.sav
[06:10] <goldfish_> like someone suggested
[06:10] <bluefoxicy> goldfish_:  you'd need a for statement
[06:10] <jo> spikeh chmodt it andt mount it
[06:10] <goldfish_> well yeah
[06:10] <goldfish_> sorry :)
[06:10] <spikeh> I'm totally new to Linux
[06:10] <DodGeR_X> i need the jdk , not the jre Silent
[06:10] <spikeh> Sorry, but how would I go about doing so?
[06:10] <bluefoxicy> goldfish_:  for i in ~/.gnome{,2}; do mv $i{,.sav}; done
[06:11] <rasputnik> DodGeR_X: why don't you just get it from sun?
[06:11] <goldfish_> spikeh: dual boot?
[06:11] <spikeh> No, this is Ubuntu's live CD
[06:11] <spikeh> I want to test that everything works before migrating fully
[06:11] <goldfish_> spikeh: oh ok.
[06:11] <DodGeR_X> i have the jdk install , but no way to install it
[06:11] <selinium> bluefoxicy goldfish_: Now you have me confused! lol what do i type!
[06:11] <bluefoxicy> spikeh:  go to places->computer and see if you can view hard disk images :)
[06:11] <concept10> spikeh, you have to mount the windows partition
[06:12] <DodGeR_X> how does one install the jdk1.5 is my whole question rasputnik
[06:12] <DodGeR_X> hehe
[06:12] <rasputnik> DodGeR_X: what is it, a tarfile?
[06:12] <bluefoxicy> spikeh:  it should just show up in there and mount when you browse to it.
[06:12] <DodGeR_X> its a .bin
[06:12] <bluefoxicy> spikeh:  you can read but not write to ntfs though.
[06:12] <DodGeR_X> u run it u end up with a rpm
[06:12] <DodGeR_X> then ure screwed without java-package
[06:12] <rasputnik> DodGeR_X: chmod and run it . if it makes a rpm get the other one (think there's a tarfile)
[06:13] <spikeh> bluefoxicy, I can't view hard disk images, its a Windows partition
[06:13] <DodGeR_X> ok , and with the tarfile it 'just works' ?
[06:13] <bluefoxicy> spikeh:  yeah, those, they should be in Places->Computer?
[06:13] <spikeh> concept10, how do I mount/CHMOD the Windows partition?
[06:13] <goldfish_> spikeh: sudo mkdir /windows && sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /windows/ && sudo chmod -R 555 /windows .... maybe?
[06:13] <bluefoxicy> like hda1 hda2 . . .
[06:13] <spikeh> bluefoxicy, they are not in Places > Computer
[06:13] <bluefoxicy> oh, wow.
[06:13] <spikeh> goldfish_, do I run that in Terminal?
[06:14] <DodGeR_X> rasputnik, this is the jdk not the jre right ?
[06:14] <bluefoxicy> goldfish_:  the chmod won't work but aside from that that'll do it.
[06:14] <goldfish_> bluefoxicy: ah right.
[06:14] <bluefoxicy> spikeh:  do you have windows programs you need?
[06:14] <spikeh> What do you mean bluefoxicy ?
[06:14] <goldfish_> spikeh: yes, ignore the && chmod bit....
[06:14] <mjr> spikeh, give mount the option -oumask=000 and everyone will have access. If you need to restrict further, see options uid, gid and umask
[06:14] <bluefoxicy> like do you need to use any programs made for windows
[06:14] <Silent> DodGeR_X, looks like this might help: http://serios.net/content/debian/java/with-java-package.php#gettingstartedhoary
[06:14] <spikeh> Yes, I have looked into WINE
[06:14] <bluefoxicy> spikeh:  Linux won't run Windows programs; wine is a toy as of yet.
[06:14] <spikeh> And WineX for video games
[06:14] <DodGeR_X> thanks Silent  :)
[06:15] <bluefoxicy> it'll run some things
[06:15] <PhantomFreak> I'm having right trouble with my hotswapping on my IBM Thinkpad T22. Has anyone come accross problems doing this before?
[06:15] <spikeh> I have found most Linux alternatives to my Windows counterparts
[06:15] <goldfish_> -oumask=0222 it it's ntfs
[06:15] <bluefoxicy> but it won't run everything, and it runs very little 'reliably'
[06:15] <Silent> bluefoxicy, I disagree - wine is enterprise ready for many apps
[06:15] <bluefoxicy> spikeh:  ah good.  You've done your researhc.
[06:15] <spikeh> So do I type that into Terminal?
[06:15] <spikeh> The mount bit
[06:16] <mjr> goldfish_, well, it doesn't matter if the mount is read-only anyway
[06:16] <goldfish_> mjr: ah right, cool.
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> Silent:  I've run wine and had programs suffer loss of functionality (i.e. dropdown boxes suddenly don't drop down, some options vanish), video corruption (parts of widgets just smear and stop showing up), crashes, lags (audio skips), freezes. . .
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> Silent:  most programs 'work' for the most part, except for under certain conditions, where they'll get those types of issues.
[06:16] <goldfish_> sudo mkdir /windows && sudo mount /t ntfs -oumask=000 /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows/
[06:16] <goldfish_> that look ok ?
[06:16] <DodGeR_X> Silent, that worked like a charm - suggest to point all java nuts at this reporitory to get java-package :)
[06:16] <spikeh> Thanks goldfish_
[06:17] <goldfish_> gah
[06:17] <goldfish_> spikeh: thats wrong
[06:17] <spikeh> Oh
[06:17] <bluefoxicy> Silent:  but I wouldn't rely on it if it's mission-critical.
[06:17] <goldfish_> spikeh: change /windows to /mnt/windows
[06:17] <spikeh> How do I copy/paste from X-Chat :D
[06:17] <selinium> goldfish_ would it be easier to rename ~/.gnome ?
[06:17] <bluefoxicy> spikeh:  highlight something, middle click somewhere.
[06:17] <spikeh> Thanks
[06:17] <goldfish_> god dammit my brain is dead
[06:17] <spikeh> But these changes won't affect my Windows until after the full install?
[06:17] <goldfish_> selinium: whatever u think
[06:18] <goldfish_> spikeh: indeed
[06:18] <Silent> bluefoxicy, have you considered Crossover Office? They actually offer enterprise support for many enterprise apps
[06:18] <mjr> spikeh, also, change /t to -t ;)
[06:18] <Dj_AlTeK> ne1 know if WineX would run steam and CS:S?
[06:18] <bluefoxicy> Silent:  that costs money?  :P
[06:18] <goldfish_> mjr: :) god my typing sucks today
[06:19] <Prottie> sshmmm still same problem. when I plugin a dlink dwl-122 I get online at once. but not with the internal wlancard
[06:19] <spikeh> I've typed it in but it doesn't work :(
[06:19] <Silent> bluefoxicy, ok ok - but if you're an enterprise, you're used to paying for support
[06:19] <spikeh> Dj_AlTeK, WineX does run Steam, CS:S and 1,6. At least what I've read
[06:19] <Prottie> how do I search for wlans?
[06:19] <PhantomFreak> For a while just removing and inserting the drives worked as long as they were not mounted... But for some reason they're not really complying at the moment!
[06:19] <phaedrus44> ubuntu is pretty..but why no ndiswrapper?
[06:19] <bluefoxicy> Silent:  heh, but if you're a home user?
[06:19] <goldfish_> Prottie: iwlist <interface> scan
[06:20] <Prottie> goldfish_: thanx.
[06:20] <Silent> bluefoxicy, well then you take your chances, or go vmware I guess
[06:20] <Prottie> :)
[06:20] <spikeh> Okay, the previous command didn't work, and I need to delete "mnt/windows" before trying again
[06:20] <spikeh> When I try and delete, access denied?
[06:20] <PhantomFreak> Is there in existance a good piece of software which will handle hotswapping? Khotswap is terrible!
[06:20] <spikeh> No permission?
[06:20] <bluefoxicy> spikeh:  you need to be root to do that
[06:21] <spikeh> Oh right
[06:21] <bluefoxicy> spikeh:  sudo bash
[06:21] <bluefoxicy> and then try.
[06:21] <spikeh> Okay
[06:21] <snugglebunny> Does anyone have a working repository for transcode. All the ones listed I can find are dead.
[06:21] <spikeh> I still can't delete it in Gnome
[06:22] <spikeh> "cd mnt" doesn't work in Terminal either
[06:22] <goldfish_> cd /mnt
[06:22] <bluefoxicy> rmdir removes a directory.
[06:22] <bluefoxicy> not that you need to.
[06:22] <spikeh> How do I go into Root so I can delete the folder in the GUI part of Ubuntu
[06:23] <bluefoxicy> you don't.
[06:23] <spikeh> Oh
[06:23] <markuman>  does anybody know how gatos should work (ati all in wonder support)? with debian? simple apt-get install gatos. and than?
[06:23] <bluefoxicy> GUI tools aren't made for you to swing like an oger's axe
[06:23] <Silent> spikeh, the path to your desktop is "/home/user/Desktop"
[06:24] <Prottie> :)online :)I
[06:24] <Prottie> -I
[06:24] <spikeh> So how would I remove the "windows" directory
[06:24] <goldfish_> Prottie: cool :)
[06:24] <goldfish_> spikeh: rmdir windows
[06:24] <goldfish_> if it's empty
[06:24] <Silent> spikeh, there is no "windows" directory - this is linux ;)
[06:25] <spikeh> No, this is under /mnt/windows
[06:25] <bluefoxicy> haha
[06:25] <goldfish_> lol
[06:25] <bluefoxicy> spikeh:  don't remove it at all :p
[06:25] <bluefoxicy> just mount over it.
[06:25] <spikeh> It says that "windows" already exist
[06:25] <bluefoxicy> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[06:25] <osity> is raid 0 easier to setup on mandrake or unbuntu?
[06:26] <Silent> well leave it alone - ifyou dual boot, windows will need it
[06:26] <osity> ooops I wanted raid1
[06:27] <spikeh> "You must specify the filesystem type"
[06:27] <osity> anyone good with raid 1?
[06:27] <goldfish_> spikeh: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows/
[06:27] <Silent> mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[06:27] <osity> setup on linux...its not working .....i get nuthin
[06:27] <goldfish_> hmmm
[06:27] <spikeh> "special device /dev/hda1 does not exist"
[06:28] <cmatheson> spikeh, did you partition your drive?
[06:28] <goldfish_> he is on the live cd
[06:29] <cmatheson> oh... i've never used that?
[06:29] <cmatheson> s/?/.
[06:29] <spikeh> I just want to test out Linux before fully migrating :)
[06:29] <goldfish_> i have but i never tried to view my windows partition in it.
[06:29] <FroG] [> oups
[06:29] <spikeh> So I can assume it will work when I migrate fully
[06:29] <FroG] [> i wanna go to french channel
[06:29] <DodGeR_X> next q , how does one update firefox ? hehe - seems hoary  firefox version is screwy (or says firefox webpage)
[06:29] <FroG] [> :)
[06:29] <goldfish_> FroG] [: #ubuntu-fr
[06:29] <FroG] [> bye
[06:29] <klaym> frog] [: #ubuntu-fr. learning french?
[06:30] <FroG] [> i'm french :)
[06:30] <silent_r1nner> hello has  ubuntu got mysql4.1 and php5
[06:30] <FroG] [> bye all
[06:30] <goldfish_> DodGeR_X: it's not.
[06:30] <klaym> ok. I'm there just for my french
[06:30] <FroG] [> see u soon
[06:30] <klaym> see you
[06:30] <spikeh> So I can assume it will work when I migrate fully?
[06:30] <goldfish_> DodGeR_X: the one in ubuntu has the security fixes from 1.0.4
[06:30] <DodGeR_X> firefox recons im on 1.0.2
[06:30] <DodGeR_X> so i cant install modules
[06:31] <goldfish_> spikeh: if u are dual booting, yes/
[06:31] <DodGeR_X> ok so the browser is up to date at least ? (as i installed all security updates)
[06:31] <cmatheson> DodGeR_X, there's a thing on the website~you need to edit your useragentvariable thing
[06:31] <cmatheson> DodGeR_X, there's a link to a site when it tells you you need 1.0.4 for ubuntu users, go read it
[06:31] <jasoncohen> DodGeR_X, type about:config in the URL bar, search for vendorsub and change the value to 1.0.4
[06:31] <goldfish_> DodGeR_X: yes.
[06:31] <spikeh> Dual booting? Meaning Linux and Windows together
[06:31] <goldfish_> spikeh: yep
[06:31] <DodGeR_X> sweet , thanx cmatheson
[06:31] <Gorlist> I have wine downloaded and installed, do you have to remove that first before installing 'winetools'
[06:31] <DodGeR_X> thats wot i needed :)
[06:31] <spikeh> How would I make it dual-booting?
[06:32] <jasoncohen> are you guys sure ubuntu's firefox has all the security updates? i saw most of the MFSAs listed but not all of them
[06:32] <goldfish_> apparantly
[06:32] <Dj_AlTeK> hey i downloaded the jre1.5.0_04.bin and did everything on the unofficial 4.10 guide but when i try java -version, i get java:command not found
[06:33] <jasoncohen> ubuntu also use the CAN references rather than MFSAs so you have to read each carefully but it still seems to be missing a few
[06:33] <Gorlist> Any Ideas?
[06:33] <goldfish_> DodGeR_X: you need to add it to your path.
[06:33] <goldfish_> gah
[06:33] <goldfish_> Dj_AlTeK: you need to add it to your path.
[06:33] <silent_runner> Dj_AlTeK: try source /etc/profile ?
[06:33] <DodGeR_X> seems its 'app.version' not 'vendor.sub'
[06:33] <goldfish_> DodGeR_X: sorry :)
[06:33] <jasoncohen> Dj_AlTeK, apt-get install java-package ; make-kpkg sun-j2re...bin ?
[06:33] <Gorlist> I mean should I remove Wine, before installing WineTools
[06:33] <goldfish_> Gorlist: i'd say so.
[06:33] <Gorlist> ok thanks :)
[06:33] <Blue_Summer> i get: root@ubuntu:/home/robert # sudo apt-get install wine
[06:33] <Blue_Summer> Reading package lists... Done
[06:33] <Blue_Summer> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:33] <Blue_Summer> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:33] <Blue_Summer> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[06:33] <Blue_Summer> is only available from another source
[06:33] <Blue_Summer> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[06:34] <jasoncohen> DJ_Mirage, it's VendorSub
[06:34] <goldfish_> Blue_Summer: winetools
[06:34] <Blue_Summer> i don't have any wine things in synaptic
[06:34] <DodGeR_X> then my firefox is not up2date
[06:34] <Blue_Summer> do i do sudo apt-get install winetools?
[06:34] <jasoncohen> DodGeR_X, anyways, you could have just installed j2re directly from backports
[06:34] <jo> Blue_Summer were you us it for
[06:34] <goldfish_> Blue_Summer: think so
[06:34] <Gorlist> Whats the differents between Marked for Removal, and Marked for Complete Removal?
[06:34] <Dj_AlTeK> blue_summer did you add the repositories?
[06:35] <DodGeR_X> i wanted the JDK not the JRE jasoncohen
[06:35] <jasoncohen> Gorlist, complete removal is a purge
[06:35] <DodGeR_X> dev kit (im a java coder) not the runtime env
[06:35] <jasoncohen> Gorlist, it deletes configuration files
[06:35] <jasoncohen> DodGeR_X, ok
[06:35] <Gorlist> So its best if I use the purge one, to make sure the current wine package is removed
[06:35] <jasoncohen> DodGeR_X, you just need to make-kpkg sun-sdk...bin and then you might have to dpkg -i the resulting .deb
[06:35] <DodGeR_X> i have java-package installed now (thanks to Silent's link for a new repository) - will be able to make-jpkg on the jdk rpm
[06:35] <spikeh> Oh and one more thing before migrating. How do I shut down/restart the PC?
[06:36] <jasoncohen> DodGeR_X, i'm not sure if it automatically installs it for you
[06:36] <DodGeR_X> right :)
[06:36] <DodGeR_X> busy getting the 32bit jdk now (not on my 64 bit boot)
[06:36] <jasoncohen> sorry, make-jpkg
[06:36] <DodGeR_X> will take a while (southafrica slow-bush-speed)
[06:36] <DodGeR_X> right :)
[06:36] <DodGeR_X> needed java-pakacge for make-jpkg
[06:36] <DodGeR_X> hehe
[06:36] <jasoncohen> it should be fast
[06:36] <DodGeR_X> that was the whole hickup it seems
[06:36] <jasoncohen> it's not recompiling- it's just packing it as a .degb
[06:36] <jasoncohen> *deb
[06:37] <DodGeR_X> sweet :)
[06:37] <spikeh> How do I shut down/restart the computer? :(
[06:37] <jasoncohen> spikeh, if you're in gnome you can do system > log out > shut down
[06:37] <cmatheson> spikeh, reboot, halt, shutdown -h now, shutdown -r now
[06:37] <jasoncohen> spikeh, if you're in a console window, type shutodwn -h now to shutdown and reboot -n to reboot
[06:38] <spikeh> Thank you. Time for the migration.
[06:39] <DodGeR_X> jasoncohen, u were spoton , went to that bug reply #3 and found the vendorSub sting to set (it allowing extension installs now )
[06:39] <dbernar1_> so...
[06:40] <jasoncohen> DodGeR_X, just make sure you've got all updates available- you can use updatemanager, synaptic or apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
[06:41] <DodGeR_X> hope i got them all (should have) have everything enabled and updated from there
[06:41] <DodGeR_X> update manager recons im up2date , with all possible normal repositories enabled
[06:42] <jasoncohen> what's the point of backporting security fixes for desktop software like firefox? it doesn't affect any system libraries. why not just upgrade the version? it would be easier for the security team.
[06:42] <DodGeR_X> Silent, keep that link to that reporitory handy hehe - others sure to need it
[06:42] <Paully> Is anyone other than me having vino/tsclient eating up cpu-cycles and network?
[06:43] <jasoncohen> there are things i don't like about fedora but i think it's generally a good idea that they up the version on most desktop apps so you know you're up to date
[06:43] <ReleaseX> hello all
[06:43] <Paully> hi ReleaseX
[06:44] <indypende> someone know how-to set the audio-cd player to find a disc on the web cddb?
[06:44] <e-head> Is there a simple way to make an initrd ?
[06:44] <Chipparn> can someone link me to a site with all the necessary repositorys and backports soursces or send me a msg with them? i got problem with using the package manager, i get error can not load repository index.
[06:45] <jasoncohen> Chipparn, did you do apt-get update ?
[06:45] <kertrats> how can I un-Read Only xorg.conf?
[06:45] <E0x> why i need xmms when i install mplayer ?
[06:45] <kertrats> I need to edit it to fix my mousepad driver
[06:45] <jasoncohen> kertrats, use sudo
[06:45] <goldfish_> kertrats: sudo
[06:45] <Chipparn> jasoncohen. isnt that the same as a reload in the package manager?
[06:46] <jasoncohen> Chipparn, http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:46] <indypende> someone know how-to set the audio-cd player to find a disc on the web cddb?
[06:46] <kertrats> still won't let me edit the file
[06:47] <kertrats> do I need to open it through the terminal?
[06:47] <jasoncohen> Chipparn, if you uncomment all the deb lines on sources.list you'll have main, restricted, multiverse and universe. the only additional sources you might want to add are backports & backport extras
[06:47] <concept10> kertrats, open the file as root
[06:47] <goldfish_> kertrats: yeah
[06:47] <ShadowsD> Hey, I'm having problems with Grapevine 4.0.1 It keeps saying theres an error in libglade..
[06:47] <goldfish_> kertrats: from a terminal, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:48] <jasoncohen> how do i save the dma setting on my dvd drive? i enabled DMA yesterday, but now it's disabled
[06:49] <Chipparn> jasoncohen. ahh i know what the problem is.. what port is apt-get using?.. i have my firewall set to not allow all outgoing traffic
[06:50] <jasoncohen> Chipparn, it would be using http - so port 80
[06:50] <Chipparn> jasoncohen. hmm strange.. of course i allow port 80
[06:50] <Dj_AlTeK> hey whats the command to remove a directory?
[06:51] <indypende> rm -d
[06:51] <indypende> rm -dr (recursive)
[06:51] <ShadowsD> Getting errors in libglade with Grapevine
[06:52] <e-head> question ... the difference between -386 and -686 for the kernel images ...
[06:52] <e-head> is the difference just in the way it's compiled ? or in the .config file too ?
[06:52] <silent_runner> e-head: processor target
[06:52] <e-head> well yeah, i know that.  :)
[06:53] <indypende> someone know how-to set the audio-cd player to find a disc on the web cddb?
[06:53] <e-head> i'm just wandering if it's compile switch differences only ... or if the .config files might be different ?
[06:53] <silent_runner> in both the .config is where its stored for include when kernel compiled
[06:53] <e-head> yeah ... crap.
[06:54] <Chipparn> what does it mean with uncomment lines in the repository list? it says: Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network
[06:54] <e-head> i need the -686 .config file then.  :)
[06:54] <goldfish_> Chipparn: remove the #
[06:54] <silent_runner> i may be wrong but my understanding is all compile flags for kernel compilation are stored in the .config
[06:54] <goldfish_> CFLAGS
[06:54] <e-head> your probably right.
[06:54] <e-head> hey guys ... i can use the same initrd with a different kernel i take it ?
[06:54] <silent_runner> also avali through /proc/config.gz
[06:54] <e-head> should work most likely, shouldn't it ?
[06:55] <silent_runner> or somthing like that
[06:55] <silent_runner> e-head why use inrd at all compile in the stuff you need to boot think its a bit faster
[06:55] <silent_runner> initrd
[06:56] <silent_runner> lspci -v will get you the info you need make sure you get the right bit in scsi conf section if your using sata
[06:56] <cdc> how do i install Enlightenment in Ubuntu
[06:57] <silent_runner> apt-get install enlightenment ?
[06:57] <cdc> silent_runner, i get e16 i want the latest
[06:57] <cdc> ones
[06:57] <cdc> is anyone using enlightenment here
[06:57] <cdc> ?
[06:57] <Will__> cdc: You mean e17?
[06:57] <cdc> yes
[06:58] <e-head> silent_runner: i was getting weird "DriveReady SeekComplete Error" errors ....
[06:58] <cdc> Will__, right :-)
[06:58] <Will__> It isn't finished yet. If you want it, you have to work for it. Check their website
[06:58] <silent_runner> cdc uncomment the unstable repository or thats how i do it in deb
[06:58] <e-head> so i'm assumming i missed something in the compile.  :)
[06:58] <Zerick> hello
[06:58] <Will__> I'm excited about e17
[06:58] <e-head> i mean, it reads the disk well enough to boot up ... but those errors scared me ... for some reason i don't get them w/ the initrd.
[06:58] <silent_runner> e-head: try enable multimode in ide config section fixes this I THINK
[06:58] <cdc> i did that but now it says enlightenment is already the newest version but i still have e 16
[06:58] <Zerick> Can someone help me with installing UBUNTU
[06:59] <e-head> silent_runner: cool.  actually, i read that somewhere. thanks man.
[06:59] <e-head> now that i've heard it twice, i believe it.  :)
[06:59] <Zerick> Can someone help me with installing UBUNTU / PM ME
[06:59] <Zerick> Can someone help me with installing UBUNTU / PM ME
[06:59] <silent_runner> e-head: yes in menuconfig ;-)
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> Zerick,  ask a Q - see who anwsers.. dont expect PM's
[06:59] <silent_runner> Dr_Willis: dont know i PM for 30 PH
[06:59] <Zerick> i burned the cd (one with the ISO file, and one with the EXTRACTED files) <-- which must i use?
[06:59] <silent_runner> ;-)
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> extracted? never heard of that..
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> so i am guessing the ISO one. :P
[07:00] <Will__> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/enlightenment
[07:00] <Zerick> unpacked?
[07:00] <Blissex> Zerick: both incorrect practices.
[07:00] <Blissex> Zerick: you need to burn the ISO as a CD image.
[07:00] <cmatheson> Zerick, do you mean that you burned a cd w/ just an copy of the .iso file on it... that won't work
[07:00] <DodGeR_X> whats the deal with the backport reporitories ? those the latest & greatest ???? seems it wants to 'upgrade' to the backport versions ?
[07:00] <drspin> how's breezy lookin?
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> use the one that boots.
[07:01] <larvanto> hello!
[07:01] <Blissex> Zerick: some suggestion on how to ask questions http://tinyurl.com/bz8v4 so that they are both useful and you dont annoy people
[07:01] <e-head> You know ... because the modules on the initrd are built with a different "uname -a" ... they would barf anyways with a different kernel ?
[07:01] <e-head> i never have figured out what makes modules barf ...
[07:01] <Blissex> e-head: usually yes, unless special care, but not worth it.
[07:01] <digitalfox> Why would my volumes not be showing up on my desktop, despite the "volumes_visible" option being enabled?
[07:01] <silent_runner> Zerick: u in windows ?
[07:02] <larvanto> anyody had luck getting via onboard sound to work?
[07:02] <silent_runner> or linux ?
[07:02] <e-head> Do they barf if only the EXTRAVERSION is different ?
[07:02] <Blissex> e-head: there is the kernel version embedded in each module. with another option a hash of the ABI is embedded instead.
[07:02] <edison> hola
[07:02] <larvanto> got a soltek mobo, only silence :(
[07:02] <Blissex> larvanto: yes.
[07:02] <silent_runner> if your in windows fire up nero and select burn-image
[07:02] <silent_runner> put in a cd and it is a mode2 image btw
[07:02] <Blissex> larvanto: http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2 the troubleshooting and chipset specific sections
[07:02] <e-head> how about using 2.6.8-686 with 2.6.8-386 though ? where just the extra-version diffs ?
[07:02] <ciocanel> hello, how can I start a script on boot as a normal user?
[07:03] <silent_runner> if your in linux cdrecord <your device> blah.iso
[07:03] <drspin> ciocanel: put the call in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[07:03] <larvanto> Blissex, thanks! I'll check that out.
[07:04] <silent_runner> larvanto: what chipset is reported by lspci -v
[07:04] <ciocanel> drspin, yes... but I don't want root to execute the script
[07:04] <drspin> you want it to execute when you login?
[07:04] <ciocanel> drspin, login... yes, why not.
[07:04] <e-head> hey guys ...
[07:05] <osity> if someone has time could you message me to answer some raid questions.
[07:05] <e-head> got a odd question ...
[07:05] <osity> i have quite a few
[07:05] <e-head> I want to remount /etc, /tmp, /usr, /home, etc ... after booting ....
[07:05] <e-head> is that going to be challenging ?
[07:05] <drspin> ciocanel: then use youre bashrc or xsession in $HOME
[07:05] <ciocanel> drspin, ok, thanks.
[07:05] <digitalfox> Why would my volumes not show up on my desktop anymore?
[07:06] <silent_runner> e-head:  mount -o remount -t ext3 /dev/whatever /mnt/whatever
[07:06] <jeroen_> digitalfox, you might have (accidentaly) removed it
[07:06] <drspin> digitalfox: what does dmesg | tail say when you pop in your USB drive or CD drive?
[07:06] <digitalfox> well, you see
[07:06] <silent_runner> osity: whats the raid problem ?
[07:06] <digitalfox> it mounts automatically
[07:06] <digitalfox> and opens the nautilus window
[07:06] <digitalfox> but the icon doesn't appear on the desktop
[07:06] <digitalfox> which makes it a pain to unmount
[07:06] <digitalfox> and also makes it so network pseudo-mounts don't show up
[07:07] <osity> silent:im not sure how to setup up what i want
[07:07] <digitalfox> and yes, I have "volumes_visible" enabled in gconf
[07:07] <silent_runner> what do you want ?
[07:07] <osity> silent: i have 3 drives, 2x200 and 1x40
[07:07] <silent_runner> i am assumin sata onboard raid ?
[07:07] <digitalfox> nevermind! fixed it
[07:08] <drspin> digitalfox: how
[07:08] <drspin> ?
[07:08] <osity> i want the os on the 40 and want to raid the other two with the /home directory on the raid...
[07:08] <larvanto> silent_runner: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 40)
[07:08] <osity> everytime I do it the os complains that it does not /home directory
[07:09] <silent_runner> umm you have a /etc/raidtab
[07:09] <osity> im sure the file is in there...
[07:09] <drspin> brb - kernel upgrade
[07:09] <pauldaoust> for those of you who use xine or mplayer... does anyone, ANYONE, know what causes those mysterious 'insufficient resources' when you try to play certain video formats? (specifically I'm getting it with DVDs right now, encoded and open, but I used to get it with a couple other formats)
[07:09] <osity> Silent: is this easy to do?  I have had bad luck for quite a while with this.
[07:10] <digitalfox> hrm. weird
[07:10] <digitalfox> just restarted nautilus and it did the trick
[07:10] <Mahl> Hey does anybody know where I can get a debian package or sourcecode for taglib 1.3.2 or newer?
[07:10] <pauldaoust> wait wait. it's called BadAlloc; that's the message
[07:10] <pauldaoust> Mahl: never heard of it; does it do MP3 stuff?
[07:10] <Mahl> 1.3.1 follows with Ubuntu 5.04 but I need a newer version and the homepage is outdated
[07:10] <e-head> silent_runner: well, I wan't to mount only "part of a filesystem" somewhere else ... so i need "mount --bind old new"
[07:10] <Mahl> yes its ogg vorbis
[07:10] <Mahl> called Libtag in synaptic
[07:10] <pauldaoust> Mahl: ahhhhh... hm.
[07:10] <e-head> silent_runner: my question is ... do you think it will be challenging doing this with the /etc directory, after booting up ?
[07:11] <pauldaoust> Mahl: if the official website itself is down... gee, I have no idea
[07:11] <Mahl> well theres a web svn for it
[07:11] <Mahl> but I dont know how that works
[07:11] <Mahl> or I dont want to have to download each individual files
[07:11] <e-head> also ... anyone know the difference between "mount --bind" and "mount --rbind" ... i can't tell from the manpage.
[07:11] <Mahl> I like cvs...but this new svn...I dont understand it
[07:11] <vaka> what Xserver is using Ubuntu 5.04 ?
[07:11] <pauldaoust> vaka: X.org 6.8
[07:12] <han_> mornin guys
[07:12] <pauldaoust> Mahl: yeah, I haven't learned svn yet either... actually, I've barely even figured out how to use cvs ^_^
[07:12] <vaka> with KDE or that;s only included in kubuntu?
[07:12] <silent_runner> e-head: i find it best mot to fck arround with etc how about a symlink farm
[07:12] <ufo> I just bought a new DVD/RW, it's connected I can even see it in gnomebaker and k3b, but I can't see it im "Computer" and I can't burn CD's, i don't know whats wrong, I have all the needed packages installed..
[07:12] <pauldaoust> ufo: go to the 'System > Administration' menu and choose Device Manager
[07:12] <silent_runner> osity: how are you mounting the raid dev /dev/md0?
[07:12] <ufo> pauldaoust, I see it there too
[07:12] <pauldaoust> I wanna see if HAL picks up your burner
[07:12] <pauldaoust> hm, poo
[07:12] <wizo> anyone having trouble with xine?
[07:13] <wizo> running really slow and laggy?
[07:13] <pauldaoust> ufo: and you say GnomeBaker sees it no problem?
[07:13] <ufo> pauldaoust, I can even watch DVD's, but I can't burn any
[07:13] <ufo> pauldaoust, yup, k3b too
[07:13] <pauldaoust> wizo: no... what visual are you rendering to, if that makes any sense to you?
[07:13] <rigelf> i need help configuring a speedstream 5260/5660 modem for use with pptp/pppoa, any users/takers?
[07:13] <wizo> pauldaoust, ??
[07:14] <pauldaoust> wizo: heh heh
[07:14] <wizo> all i wanna do is watch a video
[07:14] <pauldaoust> wizo: first, are you using xine itself, or the xine backend for totem?
[07:14] <wizo> xine itself
[07:14] <ufo> pauldaoust, when I insert a full DVD It gets mounted automaticlly, but when I insert a blank one, it's like I dont have a DVD drive, nothing is happening..
[07:14] <_BIJ_> hi @ all!
[07:14] <wizo> did the apt-get install xine thing
[07:14] <wizo> and a xine-dev
[07:14] <Mahl> Who in here can help me with SVN?
[07:14] <pauldaoust> ufo: bizarre! um, is it an external or internal? and what brand?
[07:14] <james> Hi, im just trying to figure out how to work the ATI Drivers,
[07:15] <james> of this page - http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&highlight=ati
[07:15] <ufo> pauldaoust, its internal, PHILIPS
[07:15] <james> it says just use the fglrx package from Synaptic, accept it does not appear. Though the control panel one does & fglrx-kernel-source
[07:15] <james> Anyideas on what I should do?
[07:15] <osity> whats the easiest way to parition drives in linux?
[07:16] <vaka> osity: qtparted
[07:16] <wizo> mplayer died on me
[07:16] <wizo> =/
[07:16] <osity> vaka: what about fdisk
[07:16] <no0tic> mysql, php, apache for ubuntu are compiled to work together?
[07:16] <cmatheson> james, you need to add universe or multiverse to your sources.list
[07:16] <no0tic> or I have to work on them to make them work?
[07:16] <vaka> osity: QTparted has a nice GUI and it's pretty easy too use
[07:17] <ufo> gtg, maybe later.. 10x
[07:17] <osity> vaka:how do you start it?
[07:17] <james> Ive add all of the onces suggest cmatheson
[07:17] <pauldaoust> wizo: hm, I can't figure out how to get alternate video drivers (called 'visuals')
[07:18] <wizo> sigh
[07:18] <highvoltage> wizo: were you playing jay-z?
[07:18] <wizo> err no
[07:18] <cmatheson> james, what do you mean?
[07:18] <highvoltage> ok. my mplayer crashes when I play jay-z.
[07:18] <_BIJ_> when is the next ubuntu after hoary released?
[07:18] <wizo> spending 3 hrs trying to watch a 1hr+ movie
[07:18] <e-head> anyone know what i need enabled to get "vga=791" at bootup to work ?
[07:18] <wizo> and i havent even watched 5 minutes of it
[07:18] <pauldaoust> yeah...... um so the option to change your video driver is available ( you use -V) but I can't find the list of available visuals
[07:18] <highvoltage> _BIJ_: 5.10: 2005 10'th month
[07:19] <wizo> its ok
[07:19] <wizo> thx anyway
[07:19] <pauldaoust> e-head: depends on what card you're using
[07:19] <wizo> i`ll go grab some nvidia ones
[07:19] <_BIJ_> ah oik and when is the next preview released?
[07:19] <pauldaoust> wizo: sorry :-S
[07:19] <wizo> its ok
[07:19] <bionic> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool, i get this when trying to compile gDeskjet, is there a package i miss?
[07:19] <james> cmatheson, ive already had to added the extra bits to synaptic server.list to download winetools
[07:19] <vaka> osity: qtparted.sourceforge.net/downlaod.en.html
[07:19] <pauldaoust> wizo: anyway, what you probably want is the 'xv' video drivers; that seems to be the fastest, and lowest-common-denominator too
[07:20] <wizo> xv?
[07:20] <wizo> i did a xine-check thing
[07:20] <pauldaoust> wizo: xv. it stands for XVideo
[07:20] <wizo> it says i have some xv thingy on
[07:20] <Gourami> Would it be at all possible to setup a gprs connection through a cell phone with Ubuntu ?
[07:20] <osity> vaka: i dont know how to download anything....what is included in ubuntu?
[07:20] <pauldaoust> wizo: cool.
[07:20] <wizo> gonan go try the nvidia drivers
[07:21] <cmatheson> james, the package is in universe or multiverse, i'm seeing it on my system right now
[07:21] <pauldaoust> wizo: once upon a time my visuals were really jerky too, but I don't remember how it was fixed... I think I just upgraded some stuff and it worked fine. Incidentally, you don't want xcompmgr turned on; it slows stuff down a bit.
[07:21] <wizo> wads that
[07:21] <wizo> xcompmgr
[07:21] <larvanto> Blissex, no help there, can't even get CD playback to work
[07:22] <vaka> osity: well then, fdisk it's a good option too
[07:22] <cmatheson> james, what are you trying to send me?
[07:22] <Blissex> larvanto: bit of a generic error report...
[07:22] <SuperSheeP> hello all
[07:22] <osity> vaka: thanks
[07:22] <pauldaoust> wizo: it's that funky thing that gives you transparency and shadows. If you don't konw what it is, you don't have it installed.
[07:22] <larvanto> have tried different options for snd-via82xx, no help
[07:22] <vaka> osity: try fdisk /dev/hda
[07:22] <Blissex> larvanto: try again in #ALSA
[07:22] <wizo> oh ok
[07:22] <larvanto> k
[07:22] <wizo> most probably dun have it
[07:22] <vaka> osity: then p to see the partition table
[07:22] <james> sorry, was offering direct chat
[07:22] <jasoncohen> there's no safe way to mix hoary and breezy packages on one system like you can do with debian testing & sid, right?
[07:22] <wizo> i try to er, keep my low end laptop as lean and efficient as possible
[07:22] <cmatheson> james, oh... i don't think i can do that behind my firewall here
[07:22] <james> No, I have all selected on the Synaptic Package Manger,
[07:23] <james> ah np
[07:23] <cmatheson> james, anyway, have you tried installing the xorg-driver-fglrx package?
[07:23] <cianci10> hi, does anyone know of a streaming audio server for ubuntu?
[07:23] <pauldaoust> wizo: good policy; xcompmgr slows my computer down a lot
[07:23] <james> xorg-driver-fglrx package is not appear on the list? problem is im pretty new to all this so I might be looking in the wrong place
[07:23] <wizo> ooo ok
[07:23] <wizo> u wouldnt want to know wad im running on
[07:24] <cianci10> hi, does anyone know of a streaming audio server for ubuntu?
[07:24] <james> ah, hmm might of found it now
[07:24] <james> I had to do a search to make it appear,
[07:24] <zenrox> cianci10, easy www.shoutcast.com
[07:24] <pauldaoust> wizo: heh heh
[07:24] <cianci10> zenrox, is that for linux?
[07:24] <cianci10> thought it was windows
[07:25] <zenrox> cianci10, win,lin,mac
[07:25] <cianci10> oh ok
[07:25] <cianci10> thanks :)
[07:25] <osity> i want to fdisk a drive but when I type fdisk it just gives me syntax....
[07:25] <cianci10> disconnect
[07:25] <james> Right, downloading it now :) thanks Camtheson
[07:25] <Gourami> Would it be at all possible to setup a gprs connection through a cell phone with Ubuntu ?
[07:26] <jeroen_> osity, try fdisk /dev/hda (where /dev/hda is the harddisk you want to partition)
[07:26] <pauldaoust> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHAT THE HELL DOES BADALLOC MEAN?!?
[07:26] <pauldaoust> sorry
[07:26] <pauldaoust> it just bugs me because X sez I have 'insufficient resources' to play DVDs and some other videos, but I've got a skookum machine.
[07:27] <Mahl> ..
[07:29] <tahooie> has anyone had any problems with programs compiling intermittantly in Ubuntu (no change to the code)
[07:29] <tahooie> and the only thing you can think of that you changed was to install a few more packages
[07:30] <ubuntunovice> hi.. im just new using linux.. im running a ubuntu 5.04 now.. im wondering how can i install opengl in this box.. can someone help me.. im a total noob
[07:30] <cmatheson> ubuntunovice, it's already installed
[07:30] <cmatheson> ubuntunovice, are you looking for 3d accel?
[07:30] <bos> i think ubuntu installs GL automatically
[07:30] <ubuntunovice> yeah.. it think so
[07:30] <bos> try glxgears in the run
[07:31] <tahooie> Opengl ran for me without anything special, but i had to install nvidia drivers right to get hardware acceleration
[07:31] <ubuntunovice> vcbcbvc
[07:32] <ubuntunovice> hmm..
[07:32] <bos> okeanos, i need some help with this ubuntu. how can i get full access to my ntfs partition? i can mount it, but can't change the partitions
[07:32] <James_Ward> Hello, I have an old machine and I can only install debian.  Can I then convert it to Ubuntu?
[07:32] <bos> yes
[07:32] <James_Ward> Is there a good recipe?
[07:32] <highvoltage> James_Ward: how old is it?
[07:33] <highvoltage> if it's a 386 with 2MB RAM, then no :P
[07:33] <James_Ward> The machine is 166MHz MMX with 32M RAM.
[07:33] <highvoltage> 32mb ram might be a challenge, especially if you want to use gnome.
[07:33] <James_Ward> I don't need gnome, but ubuntu is the only distro where ath wireless works reliably.
[07:34] <ubuntunovice> tahooie did you get hardware acceleration after installing the nvidia driver?
[07:34] <James_Ward> The wireless is what I'm after.
[07:34] <highvoltage> yes, then dist-upgrading to ubuntu should be fine.
[07:34] <tahooie> ubuntunovice, yes, but it was a pain in the neck
[07:34] <Gourami> why do I get a
[07:34] <ubuntunovice> oh...
[07:34] <highvoltage> just do a netinstall of sarge, and upgrade. that should be faster.
[07:34] <eps> how do you boot to an existing debian install via the ubuntu live cd?
[07:34] <James_Ward> I ust tried that and it blew up horribly.
[07:34] <ubuntunovice> but how did you do it?
[07:34] <Gourami> why do I get "account disabled" when I try and set smbpasswd, samba is installed
[07:35] <James_Ward> Net install, change sources, dist-upgrade.
[07:35] <James_Ward> I cannot boot CDs.
[07:35] <tahooie> ubuntunovice, do you have a nvidia card too?
[07:35] <ubuntunovice> yes
[07:35] <davro> Gourami, try sudo * maybe
[07:35] <James_Ward> CD is SCSI and non-bootable.
[07:36] <James_Ward> Ubunut installer initrd requires more than 32M RAM.
[07:36] <tahooie> ubuntunovice, you have to apt-get install nvidia-glx
[07:36] <James_Ward> I am reinstalling debian as we speak.
[07:36] <ubuntunovice> i see
[07:36] <Gourami> thanks davro that did it
[07:36] <davro> James_Ward, should not take 10 minutes.
[07:37] <James_Ward> Just finished partitioning.
[07:37] <davro> na prob caught me out the other day.
[07:37] <paxmaster> can some one explain me how do i use jabber with in a private pri network, couple of my firend who work on thee 2nd floor so i could chat with him he has a mac osx and i have linux ubuntu
[07:37] <tahooie> ubuntunovice, I also had to apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-386
[07:38] <paxmaster> the problem i think is the option in the jabber resources
[07:38] <tahooie> paxmaster, have you tried jbother?
[07:38] <paxmaster> nope
[07:38] <tahooie> paxmaster, its a java jabber client. Really good.
[07:38] <tahooie> should run anywhere you can run java.
[07:39] <paxmaster> i bet u i will have the same problem
[07:39] <bos> can anyone help me out with getting full access permissions to my ntfs partition?
[07:40] <paxmaster> see my firend he use mac osx and i am using linux and its in a pri network
[07:40] <tahooie> paxmaster, Actually, a buddy of mine just told me you have to install jabber-d and run a jabber server in your network.
[07:41] <yuacht> is there a way to access the clipboard content in the terminal except using shift+insert? i mean a command
[07:41] <paxmaster> ok can you tell me what the is the resources in jabber
[07:41] <paxmaster> ok
[07:42] <synic> paxmaster: resources mean you can be logged in from multiple machines.  When someone sends a message, the message is delivered to the resource with the highest priority.
[07:42] <synic> you can also specify which resource the message goes to when sending a message
[07:42] <paxmaster> ok i got it
[07:43] <nbx909|linux> hello?
[07:43] <paxmaster> i am pretty sure that guy has setup a server for jabber
[07:43] <nbx909|linux> where does bittornado install to?
[07:44] <nbx909|linux> if you use apt to install it
[07:44] <paxmaster> and he gave a me a username and password to use it only for pri network
[07:44] <synic> paxmaster: then all you need is a client
[07:44] <paxmaster> yea gaim
[07:44] <nbx909|linux> anyone?
[07:45] <paxmaster> i might ask him agian
[07:45] <james> how can I adjust my default user account so I can have permissions to adjust files without using the teriminal?
[07:45] <james> sudeo command ?
[07:45] <bos> ye
[07:45] <nbx909|linux> ok where is bittorrent installed to?
[07:45] <paxmaster> i have to walk to 2nd floor
[07:45] <nbx909|linux> anyone?
[07:46] <nbx909|linux> i'm trying to get TorrentFlux installed but i can't find where bittornado and bittorrent are at
[07:46] <James_Ward> nbx, /usr/bin it appears.,
[07:46] <cmatheson> nbx909|linux, you havne't installed it yet?
[07:47] <nbx909|linux> James_Ward, what is it called?
[07:47] <walteno> oi
[07:47] <spiral> hmmm... is it normal that when I do a dist-upgrade in hoary,
[07:47] <James_Ward> nbx, A bunch of files begginning with bt.
[07:47] <spiral> I can't boot again after that ?
[07:48] <jeroen_> spiral, ofcourse not
[07:48] <spiral> I suspect a problem with the kernel & my reiserfs / partition
[07:48] <walteno> Sou novato na rea, gostaria de saber como configurar fstab para sempre ficar meus arquivos montados do servidor
[07:48] <spiral> could it be ?
[07:48] <James_Ward> spiral, very likely.
[07:48] <paxmaster> look hear username@host/gaim has been disconnected
[07:48] <GouramiGP> I had that in warty, had to install then immediately upgrade to hoary or I would get garbage on boot
[07:49] <spiral> James_Ward: but does this mean that ubuntu doesn't at least create an initrd for reiserfs & so on ?
[07:49] <James_Ward> spiral, Dunno, but I bet thats your problem.
[07:49] <sktrdie> helplp
[07:49] <spiral> James_Ward: so what should I do ? Build my own kernel with reiserfs included ?
[07:50] <sktrdie> i need to add alsa so that it starts everytime on boot
[07:50] <James_Ward> spiral, Sounds like a plan.
[07:50] <ShadowsD> im having problems with Cedega via CVS, and point2play
[07:50] <neofax> spiral: Use your UBUNTU CD to boot using rescue mode. Then check to see if reiserfs is installed into the kernel or if it is a module that is loaded
[07:50] <spiral> neofax: it's a module according to the .config
[07:51] <neofax> spiral: If it is a module add that to your grub kernel boot parameters so that when you upgrade the kernel using apt it will automatically add this module to your grub boot line
[07:51] <nbx909|linux> thanks
[07:51] <spiral> neofax: how should I do that ? I need to use initrd, isn't it ?
[07:51] <lukus001_> How do i install fons?
[07:52] <lukus001_> fonts*
[07:53] <jeroen_> lukus001_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FontInstallHowto
[07:53] <Paully> lukus001_ easiest way is to simply copy the fonts you want to your ~/.fonts
[07:53] <ShadowsD> how do I configure Cedega from CVS to work with point2play
[07:53] <James_Ward> Last time, I added the ubuntu sources when the debian install had me pick a mirror.  What is the best way to install debian and convert it into ubuntu?
[07:53] <neofax> spiral: when grub boots, which it should, there is an option to add kernel modules to the boot parameter.  Add the reiserfs boot parameter.
[07:54] <cmatheson> James_Ward, back up the crap you need and do a clean install
[07:54] <James_Ward> I can't install ubuntu.
[07:54] <James_Ward> Not enough RAM.
[07:54] <neofax> spiral: Then, when your system is up go to /boot/grub/menu.lst and edit the top portion where it says kernel_modules or some such.  This way it will always add this line to all of your kernels.
[07:54] <dabi> can i run an X application on X display but from remote shell?
[07:55] <chillywilly> James_Ward: you mean nto enough ram for a full desktop?
[07:55] <James_Ward> dabi, ssh -X
[07:55] <lukus001_> Thanks jeroen and paully
[07:55] <cmatheson> James_Ward, hmm, you could try to make a custom iso for ubuntu (and replace it w/ the debian kernel maybe)?
[07:55] <spiral> neofax: I'll try this, thanks
[07:55] <James_Ward> Not enough RAM for ubuntu installer initrd.
[07:55] <chillywilly> crikey....
[07:55] <neofax> spiral: Google it, as I just gave you the gist
[07:55] <chillywilly> wtf kinda machine is this?
[07:55] <James_Ward> HP Omnibook 800ct.
[07:56] <ShadowsD> how do I configure Cedega from CVS to work with point2play
[07:56] <James_Ward> Old subnotebook.
[07:56] <cmatheson> James_Ward, it seems like you'd be better off w/ debian on a notebook that old... what exactly do you need ubuntu for?
[07:56] <James_Ward> ubuntu is th only dist where madwifi seems to work.
[07:57] <James_Ward> I've tried debian and slack, both crash and drop net and kernel panic.
[07:57] <dabi> James_Ward: why i got connection refused?
[07:57] <James_Ward> ubuntu works like a charm.
[07:57] <chillywilly> why would debian's installer work but not ubuntu's? they are basically the same
[07:57] <neofax> spiral: Well, sorry to send you down the path without fully helping out, but I have to take my family shopping for our campingtripover this holiday weekend.  Sorry!!
[07:57] <James_Ward> ubuntu initrd is too big, runs out of RAM.
[07:58] <James_Ward> dabi xhost +
[07:58] <chillywilly> put more ram in ;)
[07:58] <James_Ward> I tried, three chips, none worked.
[07:58] <ros> Any ideas on display for HP D530U, It has the i865G and i cant get res higher than 6x4
[07:58] <James_Ward> $99 for 64 M
[07:59] <dabi> James_Ward: access control disabled, clients can connect from any host
[07:59] <chillywilly> bah
[07:59] <James_Ward> Maybe I can just install ubuntu kernel and madwifi?
[07:59] <chillywilly> how much RAM is in there?
[07:59] <James_Ward> 32M
[08:00] <James_Ward> brb
[08:02] <Paully> ros, it probably has more to do with the setup of the monitor than setup of the video-card. what driver does xorg use?
[08:03] <chillywilly> old computers suck ;)
[08:03] <chillywilly> especially old laptops
[08:03] <ros> Windows user fm hel and new to linux, so you tell me ??
[08:04] <SuperSheeP> lol
[08:04] <SuperSheeP> lll
[08:04] <SuperSheeP> ll
[08:04] <SuperSheeP> l
[08:04] <SuperSheeP> l
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[08:04] <SuperSheeP> l
[08:04] <SuperSheeP> l
[08:04] <SuperSheeP> cool
[08:04] <Paully> ros, all info about what drivers your xorg uses are in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:04] <GouramiGP> ros there are a couple of tricks you can try
[08:04] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:04] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:04] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:04] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:04] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:04] <SuperSheeP> d
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[08:04] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:04] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:04] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:04] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:04] <GouramiGP> shutup SuperSheeP
[08:04] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:04] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:04] <chillywilly> are you mental?
[08:04] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:05] <chillywilly> where the hell are the channel ops?
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:05] <GouramiGP> damn clone !
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> dd
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:05] <renaud_> lol
[08:05] <klaym> chillywilly: he's testing that exact thing
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:05] <GouramiGP> SuperSheeP at least say something intelligent
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:05] -DeFi:#ubuntu- Seveas hey kick this guy from #ubuntu
[08:05] <d_i> i think that SuperSheeP's 'D' key is stuck :P
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> d
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> lol
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> sorry
[08:05] <SuperSheeP> no Kick ?
[08:06] <GouramiGP> d=dumbass
[08:06] <SuperSheeP> :-)
[08:06] <din> it should have been
[08:06] <ros> is using i810... i think
[08:06] <din> it should have been a ban
[08:06] <SuperSheeP> d=dede
[08:06] <din> ...
[08:06] <SuperSheeP> lol
[08:06] <chillywilly> kick him anyway
[08:06] <xeiro> hahahahaa
[08:06] <xeiro> kick kick kick kick kick
[08:06] <SuperSheeP> KICK ME PLEASE
[08:07] <GouramiGP> ros do you know your vertical and horizontal sync settings for your monitor ?
[08:07] <ros> nupt
[08:07] <ray_> how do you copy dvd's?
[08:07] <GouramiGP> pay your manufacturers site a visit, they normally list it there
[08:07] <chillywilly> moron
[08:07] <spike> hi
[08:08] <James_Ward> I7
[08:08] <ompaul> hi spike
[08:08] <ray_> hello
[08:08] <James_Ward> I'm back/
[08:08] <spike> is there a way to tell what version of ubuntu is installed? something like cat /etc/ubuntu_version
[08:08] <goldfish_>  cat /etc/issue
[08:08] <spike> hey ompaul , ltns
[08:08] <ompaul> y
[08:08] <spike> ompaul: how's u?
[08:08] <ompaul> rather well
[08:08] <tiglionabbit> Which package contains gmake?
[08:09] <James_Ward> make?
[08:09] <goldfish_> build-essentials ?
[08:09] <tiglionabbit> I have build-essentials, but there is no gmake
[08:09] <PuG_> hi
[08:09] <spike> goldfish_: yeah, but that file is generally(at least I do) overwritten to provide different messages to users
[08:09] <tiglionabbit> oh, yes there is, I'm an idiot, never mind
[08:09] <goldfish_> spike: k
[08:10] <ray_> how do you get build-essentials? can you apt it?
[08:10] <tiglionabbit> no I'm not
[08:10] <goldfish_> ray_: yes.
[08:10] <tiglionabbit> I have build essentials, but there is no gmake
[08:10] <ray_> goldfish_, thanks
[08:11] <Paully> ros, what is the brand of your monitor?
[08:11] <ompaul> spike, chat to you later - guest here
[08:12] <tiglionabbit> this is weird.  The assignments from my school use a GNUmakefile, and the command 'gmake'.  Where can I find this?
[08:12] <James_Ward> make==gmake I bet.
[08:12] <GouramiGP> I tried wine today and was pretty impressed, didnt quite get the app I wanted working but it shows potential
[08:13] <James_Ward> Anyine here ever upgraded from debian to ubuntu successfully?
[08:13] <tiglionabbit> but when I say `make`, it doesn't find my GNUmakefile
[08:13] <James_Ward> make -f GNUmakefile?
[08:13] <tiglionabbit> oh, yes it does..   dah I'm daft today
[08:15] <jo> James_Ward andr fronurbunt to debian is it posebul?
[08:15] <ros> 1024x768@89Hz ?? Not right answer is it GouramiGP?
[08:16] <Blue_Summer> lo all
[08:16] <Paully> ros, what brand is your monitor?
[08:16] <tiglionabbit> damn, I didn't realize moving this project around would be problematic.  How can I fix these cc errors--
[08:16] <Paully> hi blue_summer
[08:16] <tiglionabbit> cc: unrecognized option `-Xc'
[08:16] <tiglionabbit> cc: language arch=v8 not recognized
[08:16] <ros> Philips 107S
[08:16] <Paully> ros, hang on
[08:16] <Blue_Summer> Paully, hey
[08:17] <Paully> ros, here are all your specs for your monitor. write them up: http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/philips/107s.html
[08:17] <James_Ward> jo, Say what?
[08:17] <ker> hola
[08:17] <ker> what's name is the spanish channel of ubuntu?
[08:17] <tiglionabbit> #ubuntu-es
[08:17] <Paully> ros, pay special care for HFreq/VFreq
[08:17] <ker> thanks
[08:17] <jo> James_Ward wen you wont to go fronm urbuntu to debian is it posibul
[08:18] <ShadowsD> does anyone know what does this error mean?
[08:18] <ShadowsD> TypeError: coercing to Unicode: need string or buffer, NoneType found
[08:18] <James_Ward> Jo, I want to, but failed in my last attempt.
[08:18] <jo> oke i fail to go to breezy
[08:18] <jo> but donlod the iso
[08:18] <chx> anyone knows what's " VCore 2:   +2.94 V  (min =  +1.04 V, max =  +1.15 V) " on my motherboard? I thought my athlon has one vcore.
[08:18] <Paully> ros, your hfreq is 30-66 and vfreq is 50-130. This is the key to get your supported resolutions
[08:18] <jo> andt dit option noapic
[08:19] <jo> adt then it wil istal
[08:19] <jo> but t in the niuwe kernel there no video for linux in the kernel
[08:19] <Paully> ros: run "sudo xorgcfg" and click on the monitor -> Configure monitor(s)
[08:20] <ros> 30-66 Khz / 50-130 Hz. where does this need to be configured?
[08:20] <Paully> ros: run "sudo xorgcfg" and click on the monitor -> Configure monitor(s)
[08:20] <Blue_Summer> is it possible to change the shape of the taskbar at the top of the screen? (i know metacity = colour of the taskbar and window borders)
[08:21] <Paully> ros: did you start xorgcfg?
[08:21] <ros> yeah
[08:22] <Paully> ros. then click on the monitor in the top-right corner and choose "Configure monitor(s)"
[08:22] <ros> yeh
[08:22] <Paully> ros, in this window you manually type in "30 - 66" in Horizontal sync
[08:23] <Paully> ros, type in "50 - 130" in Vertical sync
[08:23] <ros> with spaces?
[08:23] <Paully> yes
[08:24] <ros> k
[08:24] <Paully> so, click ok
[08:24] <Paully> ros, and then quit
[08:24] <ayers> Hello, I'm just setting up my first Ubuntu system and it seems there are no Objective-C packages with the standard installation.  Where would go to search for them as Google isn't really helpful
[08:25] <Paully> click Yes and then No
[08:25] <ros> lucky, was bout to go yes yes
[08:25] <goldfish_> you could just enter them into xorg.conf manually
[08:25] <Paully> ros, after that log out of X and press CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE. This will restart X with the new values
[08:26] <ros> ERROR Failed to initialize module list.  Is this a problem?
[08:27] <Paully> ros, hmmm...
[08:27] <Paully> ros, might be if you haven't set up the video-card... ouch.
[08:28] <Fazer> Hello, does Ubuntu come with framebuffer support?
[08:28] <Prottie> VFS: busy inodes on changed media <- what does that errormessage a sign on?
[08:28] <ros> I give it a go and see what happens
[08:28] <ros> brb
[08:28] <Nebular> I just installed ubuntu server, I can't find how to enable the root user
[08:28] <Paully> ros, maybe you should restart xorgcfg just to make sure the monitor is connected to the video card and that the monitor has got a name
[08:28] <Nebular> can anyone point me in the right place?
[08:29] <monchichi> Nebular: run sudo passwd to set a root password
[08:29] <Nebular> cool thanks
[08:30] <ros> monitor has right name, should settings still be there?
[08:30] <Paully> yep
[08:31] <Paully> is it the monitor connedted to a card?
[08:31] <GouramiGP> I also tried sudo xorgcfg and it gave me the same errors but I know I fixed the same problem by manually editing the file
[08:32] <Paully> GouramiGP: never seen that error before. xorgcfg always worked for me :-)
[08:32] <james> Any recommended TV display software for Linux (e.g like WinTV)
[08:32] <ros> monitor is definately connected. i never configure name and it is right
[08:32] <GouramiGP> I get it on all options, keyboard nic and monitor
[08:33] <Justin> james: tvtime
[08:33] <GouramiGP> new installation done today, we have philips monitors that it never picks up correctly
[08:33] <Paully> ros, if you have a look at "configure monitor(s)" again. At the bottom you will see "Select card connected to monitor" and there you should see probably "i810"? it should not say "none"
[08:34] <Paully> GouramiGP. ok. sounds less than good
[08:34] <monchichi> james: tvtime and zapiing are best tv programs
[08:34] <james> Thanks :)
[08:34] <monchichi> james err zapping, np
[08:34] <GouramiGP> pc is working fine though and I am on 1280x1024
[08:35] <ros> intel corp 82865G integrated
[08:35] <Blue_Summer> Anyone here use fluxbox?
[08:35] <GouramiGP> cant connect to the bloody internet though because I cant figure out how to set up a gprs conenction
[08:35] <goldfish_> Blue_Summer: yes.
[08:35] <GouramiGP> via cell
[08:35] <ShadowsD> I can't get Grapevine or point2play to wokr..
[08:35] <ros> had same problem with solaris. couldnt get video about 6x4
[08:36] <ros> above
[08:36] <GouramiGP> try manual edit
[08:36] <Paully> ros, at least we now know that we have the basics set up. you can exit xorgcfg now
[08:37] <Paully> Ros, please copy the contents of your /etc/X11/xorg.cfg to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:37] <ren0> How do I put a picture in my gaim messenger
[08:38] <ros> done
[08:38] <davro> when ctrl + alt f1 is pressed this takes you to a default text login screen, how can i change the size of the fonts on this.
[08:39] <Nebular> where can I find a package list for ubuntu online?
[08:39] <GuBA|off> Hello, i have a problem --> I cannot mount the diskettes on Hoary
[08:39] <HappyFool> Nebular: not sure what you mean; does http://packages.ubuntu.com help ?
[08:39] <GuBA|off> some idea of what it can be?
[08:40] <Paully> ros, i found what's wrong. if you look at Section "Monitor" you will see that the info you wrote in xorgcfg is there but there's a # before the values. Remove them and save the file
[08:40] <shodgen> Hello everyone.  I have a question on how to restart samba in Ubuntu.  The Samba docs say that many distros provide a script to stop/start/restart samba, but the example they give 'smb restart' doesn't work.  Anyone know if there's a counterpart to the 'smb' script?  If so, where can I find this information documented so I don't have to ask here first.  I tried searching Ubuntu docs with no luck.  Thanks!
[08:40] <Nebular> yep
[08:40] <HappyFool> GuBA|off: you mean 3.5 inch or 5.25 inch diskettes? what error do you get when mounting?
[08:41] <davro> shodgen, try sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[08:43] <Frafra> hi all
[08:43] <Paully> hi Frafra
[08:44] <Frafra> do you know awk (or gawk) quite wall?
[08:44] <GouramiGP> I want to schedule a automatic shutdown, how would I go about that ?
[08:45] <goldfish_> cron ?
[08:45] <GouramiGP> newbie, but yes i think thats it
[08:46] <goldfish_> crontab -e in a terminal to add your jobs, i'm not familiar with the syntax though :)
[08:46] <GuBA|off> HappyFool, 3.5 --> Unable to mount the selected volume.
[08:46] <GuBA|off> HappyFool --> mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified
[08:46] <HappyFool> see also 'man shutdown' -- you can tell shutdown when to perform its task
[08:47] <GouramiGP> checking...
[08:47] <ros> OK done, now log out and ctrlaltback ?
[08:47] <Paully> yes
[08:47] <ros> brb
[08:48] <GouramiGP> HappyFool that would be a once off right, I want a daily shutdown at the same time
[08:48] <GuBA|off> HappyFool, I have 90 machines with Hoary and everything presents the problem
[08:48] <HappyFool> GuBA|off: hrm. are you sure the disk is ok?
[08:49] <HappyFool> GouramiGP: ah, sorry. i misunderstood your requirements
[08:49] <GuBA|off> HappyFool completely, they are new discs, I have proven more than 20 discs
[08:49] <HappyFool> GuBA|off: have they been formatted yet?
[08:49] <GouramiGP> can I put the paramaters for the timed shutdown in the startup somehow ?
[08:50] <Prottie> how do I turn of the sounds in gdm?
[08:50] <goldfish_> !repositories
[08:50] <ubotu> from memory, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:50] <goldfish_> Blue_Summer: ^^ that link
[08:50] <Blue_Summer> ty :P
[08:50] <tiglionabbit> Prottie: system-> admin -> login screen setup
[08:51] <GuBA|off> HappyFool, yes, the majority has been formatted in GuiDOuS , is a College ...
[08:51] <tiglionabbit> Prottie: it's under accessibility
[08:51] <Prottie> tiglionabbit: what is the name of the program?
[08:51] <Prottie> I dont have gnome
[08:51] <HappyFool> GuiDOuS ?
[08:51] <GuBA|off> HappyFool, many of the users still use that system (Win)
[08:51] <ros> paully, you are the king my friend. installed today and have been fighting with a screen @640x480 all day
[08:51] <GuBA|off> HappyFool, Window$
[08:52] <tiglionabbit> Prottie: gdmsetup
[08:52] <HappyFool> ah
[08:52] <Paully> ros, happy it worked out for you :-)
[08:52] <Prottie> tiglionabbit: thank you
[08:53] <GuBA|off> HappyFool before we had Debian Sarge and FC-2 and worked without problems discs
[08:53] <Paully> ros, have to go now. take care and have fun in the world of 1280x1024!!
[08:53] <ros> was almost tempted to put the WinXp disk in. Cheers, its now 3am so really must go
[08:53] <HappyFool> GuBA|off: try 'sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0'  (assuming that /media/floppy0 exists)
[08:54] <tiglionabbit> urk, this isn't compiling well at all.  I need getopt(3c), and where can I get dbx?
[08:55] <GuBA|off> HappyFool, of that way if he works, but the users are not very capable for the handling of the terminal,
[08:55] <goldfish_> emmm
[08:56] <phaedrus4444> hey hey hey
[08:56] <phaedrus4444> wusssup
[08:56] <goldfish_> hi
[08:56] <goldfish_> !sources.list
[08:56] <ubotu> goldfish_: Are you smoking crack?
[08:56] <GouramiGP> how did ros fix his problem ?
[08:56] <Blue_Summer> Anyone know where i can  get a default copy of sources.list ?
[08:56] <HappyFool> GuBA|off: hrm, sorry. i don't use diskettes, i don't know what the problem is
[08:56] <phaedrus4444> uh...i installed the server option of ubuntu
[08:56] <goldfish_> !sources
[08:56] <ubotu> it has been said that sources is http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[08:56] <goldfish_> Blue_Summer: ^^
[08:56] <goldfish_> gah
[08:56] <Blue_Summer> lol
[08:56] <phaedrus4444> what is the default root password on ubuntu/
[08:56] <GuBA|off> HappyFool, I need that the users can mount discs through the graphical surroundings
[08:56] <goldfish_> Blue_Summer: yeah think that's it.
[08:56] <phaedrus4444> ?
[08:56] <e-head> what the chances mkfs would hang for some reason ?
[08:56] <HappyFool> GuBA|off: you can take a look at the 'mtools' package - it provides dos-like copy/directory listing commands
[08:56] <e-head> usually it returns within 30 seconds or so ...
[08:57] <HappyFool> GuBA|off: sorry, i don't have a solution for that
[08:57] <eyequeue> phaedrus4444:  no such thing
[08:57] <phaedrus4444> awwww....
[08:57] <eyequeue> phaedrus4444:  ubuntu is safer without root, hence there is none
[08:57] <GuBA|off> HappyFool, ok. thx ... where I can report that error?
[08:57] <phaedrus4444> how do i get into root/
[08:57] <phaedrus4444> ?
[08:57] <eyequeue> phaedrus4444: why would you need to?
[08:57] <phaedrus4444> uh....to use apt-get
[08:58] <eyequeue> phaedrus4444:  sudo or gksudo should accomplish that
[08:58] <HappyFool> GuBA|off: you can try bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[08:58] <phaedrus4444> just that command?
[08:58] <eyequeue> phaedrus4444:  sudo apt-get install foo
[08:58] <phaedrus4444> why no root and pass?
[08:58] <HappyFool> phaedrus4444: use 'sudo apt-get'; enter your user password when prompted
[08:58] <eyequeue> phaedrus4444:  again, why would you need it?  it's safer without
[08:59] <phaedrus4444> uh....cant any old hackstar use sudo or somthing?
[08:59] <HappyFool> no. only the 'first' user, by default
[08:59] <phaedrus4444> when i used mepis and ran a root command or a root app it would always ask for pass
[08:59] <eyequeue> phaedrus4444:  only the initial user created at install
[08:59] <HappyFool> the /etc/sudoers file specifies who may use sudo
[08:59] <eyequeue> phaedrus4444:  mepis != ubuntu :)
[09:00] <phaedrus4444> huh?
[09:00] <phaedrus4444> not the same root login though
[09:00] <eyequeue> phaedrus4444:  mepis and ubuntu are not the same
[09:00] <tiglionabbit> I'm trying to compile something which requires options gcc doesn't have, but cc does.  It also needs getopts, and I'd like dbx.  How can I get these?
[09:00] <Evans> hello all
[09:00] <punkrockguy318> Alright, I'm trying to install a debian package, but I'm a version error:   python-apsw depends on python (<< 2.4); however:  Version of python on system is 2.4.1-0ubuntu2.   Is there any way to instal this package besides rebuilding it?
[09:00] <GouramiGP> ok I have figured out the shutdown syntax, how do I set up a cron ?
[09:00] <jo> sonbudy live in zweden?
[09:00] <eyequeue> phaedrus4444:  if you really want to add other users to sudoers: sudo visudoers
[09:01] <e-head> damn ... whole system hung ....
[09:01] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: you mean visudo ?
[09:01] <phaedrus4444> sweeet
[09:01] <e-head> if you get weird Buffer I/O errors on a device at start up ... don't try and format that partition !
[09:01] <Evans> can anyone help me
[09:01] <phaedrus4444> ok
[09:01] <Evans> with interenet setup
[09:01] <e-head> hung this whole puppy ...
[09:01] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  yeahk, i seem to have added a couple of characters huh, heh
[09:01] <phaedrus4444> now i want to install xfce through apt-get
[09:01] <phaedrus4444> and use that as a windows manager
[09:01] <phaedrus4444> what first?
[09:01] <phaedrus4444> lol
[09:02] <goldfish_> phaedrus4444: added repositories yet?
[09:02] <eyequeue> phaedrus4444:  first?  i'd say find your way to the wiki :)
[09:02] <tiglionabbit> grr, can someone help me?
[09:02] <HappyFool> tiglionabbit: as far as i know, gcc *is* cc on linux systems (?)
[09:02] <tiglionabbit> My professor uses really obscure options gcc doesn't support
[09:02] <GouramiGP> please refer me to a link where I can find out more about setting up a cron
[09:03] <HappyFool> tiglionabbit: what system is it for?
[09:03] <HappyFool> GouramiGP: 'man crontab'
[09:03] <tiglionabbit> HappyFool: the campus unix system, could be solaris
[09:03] <HappyFool> GouramiGP: also 'man 5 crontab'
[09:03] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  the only suggestion i can think of would be to google for the function you want to perform plus "gcc"
[09:03] <GouramiGP> checking thanks
[09:03] <phaedrus4444> added repositories with apt-get update?
[09:04] <HappyFool> tiglionabbit: what do the options do? Are you building a library, or what ?
[09:04] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: I'm not sure what it's supposed to do, but he passed in options like -x00 and arch=v8
[09:04] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  "cc --version" or "cc -V" or "cc -v" might help?
[09:04] <HappyFool> phaedrus4444: to add repositories, either use synaptic (GUI, fairly straightforward), or edit /etc/apt/sources.list. I'd recommend synaptic
[09:04] <tiglionabbit> and I had to build the project on his code, and now I actually want to make it semi-portable
[09:04] <HappyFool> just drop the options and see if it still builds
[09:04] <phaedrus4444> uh...i installed server option of ubuntu..
[09:05] <phaedrus4444> can i still use gui of synaptic?
[09:05] <HappyFool> phaedrus4444: no
[09:05] <rarn> anyone have luck with hp officejets and scanning? scanimage -L finds it but xsane does not
[09:05] <nalioths_dog> phaedrus4444: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[09:05] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  wild guess here, but arch= sounds like archetecture/platform specification .... is he looking for something that will run on a non-linux box? (solaris version 8?)
[09:05] <nalioth_zZzZz> phaedrus4444: you can use apt-get or synaptic (but not both at once)
[09:06] <HappyFool> nalioth_zZzZz: and if you don't have X installed, you only have *one* choice ;)
[09:06] <GouramiGP> hell this is complicated
[09:06] <phaedrus4444> ok
[09:06] <nalioth_zZzZz> HappyFool: is that the case here?
[09:06] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: yes.  sorry, -xarch=v8, and yes, it was originally for solaris I'd bet
[09:06] <Evans> DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO SETUP INTERNET ON UBUNTU USING ADSL USB
[09:06] <phaedrus4444> once synaptic is intalled do i just type "synaptic" and it will pop up?
[09:06] <HappyFool> nalioth_zZzZz: 'server version', which i presume means no X
[09:07] <HappyFool> Evans: please do not shout
[09:07] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus4444: yes, but you'll need root.  sudo synaptic
[09:07] <nalioth_zZzZz> GouramiGP: asking uncle google "howto crontab" or even typing on your own box "man crontab" will be enlightening
[09:07] <phaedrus4444> sweeeet
[09:07] <phaedrus4444> thanks
[09:07] <nalioth_zZzZz> HappyFool: i just jumped into this pool today
[09:07] <phaedrus4444> and so through synaptic...i am going to install xfce
[09:07] <Evans> HappyFool: do you know
[09:07] <phaedrus4444> reboot and the login will be ther
[09:07] <phaedrus4444> ?
[09:07] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  you've already done your project for him, right?  tell him you're porting it, and wojuld like to know what the switches are to accomplish, so you can do so (should buy you brownie points at best, but at least do you no harm)
[09:07] <HappyFool> Evans: not a clue. have you looked on the wiki? https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:08] <nalioth> Evans: i recommend a switch from USB to cat5
[09:08] <GouramiGP> lemme ask uncle google, the man reads greek to this windows user
[09:08] <ShadowsD> Having problems with libglade and grapevine
[09:08] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  i presume you've looked at 'man cc' on the (solaris) box in question already, or course :)
[09:08] <eyequeue> oF course
[09:08] <Evans> i just downloaded a driver
[09:09] <Evans> for linux for my modem
[09:09] <Evans> but i need to know were
[09:09] <narkceh> hello
[09:09] <Evans> you wenrter
[09:09] <Evans> you enter
[09:09] <Evans> ...
[09:09] <Evans> Number
[09:09] <Evans> NAME
[09:09] <Evans> pass
[09:09] <tiglionabbit> cc: Sun WorkShop 6 update 2 C 5.3 2001/05/15    =(
[09:09] <peet> how do i install gtf?
[09:09] <phaedrus4444> rut row
[09:10] <phaedrus4444> uh..i did sudo synaptic  and it wouldnt launch
[09:10] <pgidz> evans try system -> admin -> networking
[09:10] <phaedrus4444> no Gtk   or somthing like that
[09:10] <peet> anyone know how i can grab gtf
[09:10] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: the thing is, I was going to use it as a code sample, /today/.  So I'd like to get this working as soon as possible, and my prof's a busy guy
[09:10] <nalioth> phaedrus4444: you'll have to use apt-get (since you don't have an xserver <if i understand correctly>)
[09:10] <Evans> pgidz: what will it come up with when i do tat
[09:10] <HappyFool> phaedrus4444: you need to have X (i.e., graphical system) installed for synaptic to work
[09:10] <peet> i need gtf to setup my screen resolution
[09:10] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  'man cc' there and grep for the switches in question (and yes it does sould slowlarisy)
[09:10] <pgidz> evans what modem have you got dial up or adsl
[09:10] <jeroen_> phaedrus4444, try aptitude
[09:11] <Haier> if I type "pkill esd" what exactly in detail does it do?
[09:11] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  ah gotcha, time always bites us on the ...
[09:11] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: the xarch one is indeed which version of solaris to use.  =[
[09:11] <phaedrus4444> just type aptitude?
[09:11] <goldfish_> Haier: kills the esd processes
[09:11] <Evans> pgidz: ADSL
[09:11] <HappyFool> Haier: 'man pkill' will tell you
[09:11] <jeroen_> phaedrus4444, sudo aptitude
[09:11] <eyequeue> phaedrus4444:  sudo aptitude
[09:12] <phaedrus4444> sudo apt-get install XFree86  ?...will that werk?
[09:12] <pgidz> evans it should give you a modem choice and if you choose properties you can fill in the details if it's adsl you could choose dhcp to configure
[09:12] <Haier> after I view a "man" guide in the terminal how do I exit?
[09:12] <HappyFool> Haier: 'q'
[09:12] <Evans> pgidz PM
[09:12] <FLD> HardDisk Failure >:(((
[09:12] <Haier> thank you
[09:12] <jeroen_> phaedrus4444, if you want to install a graphical system, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:12] <goldfish_> phaedrus4444: nooooooooooooooo
[09:12] <pgidz> evans yes
[09:12] <FLD> ubuntu-desktop :DDDDDDD
[09:13] <Evans> Private Message
[09:13] <FLD> thats sickest thing i've ever seen
[09:13] <FLD> apt-get install fluxbox
[09:13] <eyequeue> phaedrus4444:  sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core, but that will be xorg, not xfree ... any reason you want xfree?
[09:13] <phaedrus4444> i really want to install xfce or fluxbox
[09:13] <phaedrus4444> dont have a clue how
[09:13] <FLD> phaedrus4444 you must sudo apt-get install fluxbox if you wanna be 1337 and cool and have nice system
[09:13] <jeroen_> FLD, yeah, whatever
[09:13] <phaedrus4444> lol
[09:13] <FLD> that works...
[09:14] <HappyFool> phaedrus4444: maybe *first* install ubuntu-desktop, learn how everything works, then worry about fluxbox etc.
[09:14] <ShadowsD> having problems with grapevine and libglade
[09:14] <eyequeue> phaedrus4444:  ubuntu is not xfree86-based
[09:14] <jeroen_> phaedrus4444, if you want gnome with all sorts of cool aps: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop if you want KDE plus apps: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:14] <phaedrus4444> but with fluxbox  i can surf around and read how to use fluxbox...
[09:14] <phaedrus4444> any reason to use ubuntu-desktop first
[09:14] <phaedrus4444> ?
[09:14] <HappyFool> phaedrus4444: ot
[09:14] <HappyFool> aargh
[09:14] <jeroen_> phaedrus4444, it installs a lot of apps
[09:14] <jeroen_> usefull apps
[09:15] <phaedrus4444> i want light-weight and to install my own
[09:15] <HappyFool> phaedrus4444: you will find more people here (on #ubuntu) able to help you more easily
[09:15] <eyequeue> phaedrus4444:  sudo apt-get install lynx if you just want to "surf around and read" first :)
[09:15] <goldfish_> lol
[09:15] <goldfish_> yeah and apt-get install netcat for irc
[09:15] <jeroen_> irssi
[09:15] <phaedrus4444> lol..thanks for all yer help...so i am going back to my computer and ubuntu-desktop i guess
[09:16] <FLD> :DDD
[09:16] <FLD> xD
[09:16] <eyequeue> goldfish_:  wimp! :P telnet irc.freenode.net 6667 heheheheh
[09:16] <rarn> any scanner experts out there?
[09:16] <nalioth> HappyFool: let him install fluxbox
[09:16] <FLD> rarn nmap!!!!
[09:16] <goldfish_> eyequeue: :)
[09:16] <HappyFool> nalioth: i have said my piece *shrug*
[09:16] <goldfish_> rarn: what type of scanners?
[09:16] <rarn> not that kind of scanner! image scanners
[09:17] <goldfish_> ah
[09:17] <phaedrus4444> 1100+  megabytes for ubuntu-desktop?
[09:17] <goldfish_> no :)
[09:17] <phaedrus4444> lol
[09:17] <nalioth> phaedrus4444: go ahead and "sudo apt-get install fluxbox" it will install whatever is needed
[09:17] <nalioth> HappyFool: if he likes flux, let him have flux
[09:17] <nalioth> phaedrus4444: it doesnt use all of that
[09:17] <eyequeue> goldfish_: i actually had to do that once (from a floppy-based rescue disk) ... painful, but i got the info i needed
[09:17] <goldfish_> eyequeue: lol
[09:17] <goldfish_> nice :)
[09:18] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: well, the options are all in relation to conformance to ansi c, and optimization.  I suppose they don't matter.  The problem, though, is that after compiling my program on my own machine without those options, it spews a few boxes and the word ELF
[09:18] <GouramiGP> I am checking examples of crons, are there meant to be spaces in this example ? 5,35 * * * 1-5
[09:18] <phaedrus4444> can i stop this ubuntu=desktop in the middle of it installing/
[09:18] <phaedrus4444> i think i want to use fluxbox
[09:18] <eyequeue> phaedrus4444:  cntrl-c
[09:18] <cmatheson> hey, i'm kind of out of date now... what exactly are the differences between flux/black/openbox... it seems that openbox is entirely re-written now?
[09:18] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus4444: you probably want to have some of the programs from ubuntu-desktop
[09:19] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus4444: they will run in fluxbox
[09:19] <eyequeue> phaedrus4444:  you may need a "sudo apt-get install -f" (by itself) afterward, to clean up a bit
[09:19] <jeroen_> eyequeue, telnet irc.freenode.net 6667 times out :(
[09:19] <phaedrus4444> cant find package when i type  sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[09:19] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus4444: search for it
[09:19] <phaedrus4444> with command linie
[09:19] <phaedrus4444> ?
[09:20] <GouramiGP> I am checking examples of crons, are there meant to be spaces in this example ? "5,35 * * * 1-5"
[09:20] <cmatheson> phaedrus4444, just start up aptitude, or use 'apt-cache search fluxbox'
[09:20] <nalioth> GouramiGP: yes
[09:20] <eyequeue> jeroen_:  didn't for me that night, weird (well, you do have to feed it the RFC1459 lines, USER and NICK or whatever they were)
[09:20] <tiglionabbit> oh, nm, well you'll need another repository then phaedrus4444, I can find it
[09:20] <nalioths_dog> phaedrus4444: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[09:20] <nalioths_dog> phaedrus4444: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:21] <eyequeue> jeroen_:  i had recently written a (poor) irc client, so was more fluent in them at the time
[09:21] <tiglionabbit> yo guys, how do I debug?  I'm used to using dbx..  but how can I get it?
[09:21] <HappyFool> tiglionabbit: gdb is the linux debugger
[09:21] <eyequeue> gdb (1)              - The GNU Debugger
[09:21] <HappyFool> tiglionabbit: there's a front-end called ddd which is supposed to be quite good - never used it though
[09:22] <tiglionabbit> rofl, ELF
[09:22] <tiglionabbit> Program exited normally.
[09:22] <tiglionabbit> that sure is helpful
[09:22] <tiglionabbit> how do I turn checking on?
[09:22] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  pipe it to santa? ;)
[09:23] <tiglionabbit> =P
[09:23] <simone> Hi... After having a problem free install of Ubuntu Hoary on my wife's box, I decided to change my work box from Mandrake 10.1 to Ubuntu. I thought the install went well until I got to the login screen. I typed my username and password and then I got an error message: your session lasted less than 10 second. Unless you terminated the session there is either a problem with the drive being full or a problem with the install. try one of the failsafe sessions to
[09:23] <simone>  see if you can fix the problem. The Gnome failsafe session also failed. I then rebooted an got to a command line. I typed login and it logged me in. I typed ls (the only command line command I know) and it gave me the files that I expected to find under my /home partition.  So can somebody give me some advice?
[09:24] <cmatheson> simone, the safe thing won't hell you debug x windows stuff
[09:24] <eyequeue> simone:  if you can get to a terminal via alt-ctrl-f2, try logging in as your user then running "sudo apt-get clean"
[09:24] <cmatheson> simone, sounds like you don't have gnome all the way installed
[09:24] <nalioth> simone: there is a known problem to all arches of ubuntu
[09:24] <tiglionabbit> simone: `df` and see if you have indeed filled up your partition?
[09:24] <nalioth> simone: in your 'safe mode' delete your ~/.ICEauthority   and then re-log in
[09:24] <simone> The partition is about 6gb in size
[09:26] <eyequeue> simone:  "clean" would free drive space, but you probably don't need that (iunless something is reading close to 100% in "df" output) ... try instead "sudo apt-get -f install" to see if it will finish up what it started
[09:27] <Blue_Summer> while using XFCE i chose a dodgey skin and it crashes and i cannot find away to change skins back without the skin box crashing it happend on gnome aswel
[09:27] <moshe> hey folks
[09:27] <moshe> I have a quick question
[09:27] <moshe> when the next version of ubuntu comes out, will upgrading simply be a matter of making changes to the apt sources.list, apt-get update, and apt-get dist-upgrade?
[09:28] <joss> bonsoir
[09:28] <gtonic> moshe: jip
[09:28] <phaedrus4444> this sux
[09:28] <phaedrus4444> lol
[09:28] <simone> Ok... I have a lot of advice... I will go and try it.   Could there be anything in my /home directory from the previous KDE - version of Mandrake 10.1 that is causing Gnome to crash?
[09:28] <eyequeue> Blue_Summer:  sounds recursive.  if no one chimes in with a better solution, i'd try mv or rm the dodgy skin file, then trying again
[09:28] <Blue_Summer> mv or rm?
[09:28] <GouramiGP> is there a way to debug or test a cron job ?
[09:29] <ebone> hey guys ... "quiet splash" in the grub config file are not very critical are they ?
[09:29] <Blue_Summer> eyequeue, What does mv or rm mean?
[09:29] <eyequeue> simone:  ls -lad .* (look for dot-directories that may seem suspect, then mv .foo .bar, to see if that was it)
[09:29] <fr500> join #fedora
[09:29] <ebone> Blue_Summer: move and remove
[09:29] <simone> Nalioth... this is a stupid question. How do I delete ~/.ICEauthority?
[09:29] <gtonic> GouramiGP: call a script from cron that pipes something into a file ;)
[09:30] <Blue_Summer> ebone, it worked when my Gaim crashed, how do i move and remove?
[09:30] <moshe> jip?
[09:30] <eyequeue> Blue_Summer:  commands, MoVe/rename, or ReMove
[09:30] <Blue_Summer> eyequeue, ok cool, how do i execute them?
[09:30] <gtonic> moshe: yes
[09:30] <moshe> ok
[09:30] <moshe> thanks
[09:30] <gtonic> ;)
[09:30] <cmatheson> simone, rm -r ~/.ICEauthority
[09:30] <eyequeue> Blue_Summer:  mv oldname newname, or rm oldname
[09:30] <ebone> Blue_Summer: you need to open a console.
[09:31] <simone> Ok... off I go... might log back in later. Thanks for the advice
[09:31] <Blue_Summer> eyequeue, i don't know the name of it its like ivallbook or something i cant remeber the full name and i cant see it because it crashes
[09:31] <nicedreams> irc://irc.gnu.org/freevo
[09:32] <eyequeue> Blue_Summer:  what ebone said :)  i was presuming you were in console since it seems your gui wouldn't work now
[09:32] <Blue_Summer> eyequeue,  console/terminal same thing?
[09:32] <eyequeue> Blue_Summer:  applications > system tools > terminal, if you can get there
[09:33] <phaedrus4444> booohooo....
[09:33] <GouramiGP> ok does this make sense, I crontab - e and the line is 25 21 * * * shutdown 21:45 which should mean every day at 21:25 run the command shutdown 21:45 ?
[09:33] <eyequeue> Blue_Summer:  yeah, similar enough for now at least :)
[09:33] <Blue_Summer> yep its only the skin chooser and one or two other apps that shut down straight away
[09:33] <phaedrus4444> i need to update repositories...and dont know how
[09:33] <ebone> guys ... if i boot 2.6.10 i'm fine ... if i boot 2.6.8.1 I get crazy IO errors.  Both STOCK ubuntu kernels.
[09:33] <ebone> any ideas ?
[09:33] <you-bunt-too> ebone, use what works?
[09:34] <ebone> i have an odd need to use 2.6.8.1 ... or else i would.  :)
[09:34] <eyequeue> ebone:  wild guess: you have some hardware that ubuntu didn't support by default in the earlier kernel?  newish box?
[09:34] <GouramiGP> but I am not sure if I need to specify a path for shutdown, I know shutdown 21:45 works from the terminal but I need to sudo shutdown
[09:34] <ebone> eyequeue: not really.  mobo's probably a year to 2 years old.
[09:34] <GouramiGP> does the cron job automatically assume or use sudo ?
[09:34] <HappyFool> GouramiGP: make sure you install the crontab file with sudo too
[09:34] <ebone> but you may be right.
[09:35] <HappyFool> GouramiGP: it is run as the user who sets it up (i guess install is the wrong word)
[09:35] <GouramiGP> ok if I sudo crontab -e then the crontab that I had is blank
[09:35] <cmatheson> GouramiGP, you could probably actually crontab -l to not pop up your editor
[09:36] <eyequeue> ebone:  boot to 2.6.8.1, then sudo dmesg > dmesg2681, reboot to 2.6.10, then dmesg > dmesg2610 (and since you're in the kernel that "behaves") "diff dmesg2681 dmesg2610 | less"
[09:36] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: the original program used something called 'getopts' (not the shell getopts).  I don't think I have this...
[09:36] <GouramiGP> ok I have done sudo crontab -e will see if it runs
[09:36] <Blue_Summer> eyequeue, i can't move the skin because i don't know the name of it
[09:36] <eyequeue> ebone:  there may be a more elegant solution, but that's where i'd end up starting
[09:36] <tiglionabbit> I mean getopt
[09:36] <HappyFool> tiglionabbit: try maybe libpopt-dev ?
[09:37] <HappyFool> tiglionabbit: not sure if it has a compatability thing, but that's what 'apt-cache search getopt' brings up
[09:37] <GouramiGP> ok I see that crontab set it up for the current user, sudo crontab set it up for root
[09:37] <eyequeue> Blue_Summer:  yes, and i don't know enough about skins to know where to look for it .... here's a very brute-force means i guess: ls -r | less, then scroll through until you see a filename that looks familiar?
[09:38] <Blue_Summer> ok
[09:38] <tmdca> Hi. I have problems with skype. When i try to call anyone or anyone try to call me i dont hear a thing and the program freeze......
[09:38] <eyequeue> Blue_Summer:  tree | less, if you have tree on that box
[09:38] <Blue_Summer> tree? Box?
[09:38] <Blue_Summer> lol
[09:38] <eyequeue> tree (1)             - list contents of directories in a tree-like format.
[09:38] <eyequeue> tree (3blt)          - Create and manage tree data objects.
[09:38] <eyequeue> box being jargon for "machine"
[09:38] <Blue_Summer> kk
[09:38] <tiglionabbit> it's odd that gcc doesn't complain about references to the getopt function, but there's no manual for getopt(3c) and it doesn't understand the external variables.  Man this is gonna be a bit tough making this program portable.  Damn you, Mackey!
[09:39] <CarlFK> tmdca - I would use one of the SIP phones that you can install with synaptic
[09:39] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  heh
[09:39] <CarlFK> skype is screwy, and it isn't open souce so the screwyness can't be examined
[09:39] <tiglionabbit> I have no idea where it's screwing up, because it doesn't print ELF until it's finished
[09:39] <tmdca> CarlFK, A what?
[09:40] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  in bash, 'help getopts' may or may not be of help
[09:40] <Frafra> hi
[09:40] <GouramiGP> damn cron job still didnt run
[09:40] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: I'm talking about getopt() for C, not shell
[09:40] <Frafra> [...]  | awk '{printf("%-%s",$1,ENVIRON["max"] )}' <= doesn't works, why?
[09:40] <jeroen_> CarlFK, but he want to contact other Skype users ofcourse :(
[09:40] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  yeah, just trying to think where it's managing to not spew error at you
[09:40] <nalioth> GouramiGP: would you like to see my crontab? (have you "man crontab"d?
[09:41] <phaedrus4444> awww...screw it
[09:41] <jeroen_> GouramiGP, run crontab -l and post the output in a pastebin
[09:41] <phaedrus4444> ill just install the ubuntu-desktop and then fluxbox...
[09:41] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  i think my brain is fried from the heat here, didn't make sense, nm
[09:41] <phaedrus4444> will my system still be moving fast?
[09:42] <GouramiGP> yes I have, but the two examples contradict each other by swopping the order of HH and MM
[09:42] <eyequeue> phaedrus4444:  what's running is what slows it down, if you install some huge app but don't start it, it should still be fast :)
[09:42] <nalioth> phaedrus4444: you will only be using fluxbox, so yes, it should move faster than gnome or kde
[09:42] <eyequeue> phaedrus4444:  huge app being gnome or such :)
[09:42] <phaedrus4444> so ill just use fluxbox for whatever session i am in
[09:42] <phaedrus4444> ?
[09:42] <GouramiGP> I am currently trying "40 21 * * * shutdown 21:42"
[09:43] <pgidz> gouramiGP the command to shutdown is sudo shutdown -h now
[09:43] <gero|fool> test
[09:43] <gero|fool> hello
[09:43] <eyequeue> phaedrus4444:  i thought there was some xfce howto on the wiki though, search there, perhaps for "xubuntu" (or in the forums)
[09:43] <goldfish_> halt
[09:43] <GouramiGP> pgidz I want to schedule it for a specific time every day
[09:43] <goldfish_> no need for a howto
[09:43] <goldfish_> sudo apt-get install xfce4
[09:43] <goldfish_> done.
[09:44] <pgidz> gouramigp but you may need to add -h now to shutdown to get it to shutdown
[09:44] <eyequeue> goldfish_:  this was for a gmome/kde-less install, perhaps to be a third ubuntu variant
[09:44] <Blue_Summer> got it working! Now i can select styles e.t.c
[09:44] <james> hmm, im trying to run a program through wine called Lightwave. It will open up but then it shutdown when it appears to be trying to load the 3d viewport
[09:44] <runedude> hiya.
[09:44] <james> it appears to be supported on the wine site,
[09:44] <david_> anyone in here using E16 with engage?
[09:45] <GouramiGP> okwill try that
[09:45] <james> anyideas what might be causing that? im looking in the teriminal but can;t find anything
[09:46] <Blue_Summer> anyone know how to install wallapapers on XFCE?
[09:47] <runedude> just wondering, how easily will a USB cdwriter from Memorex work? http://ostg.pricegrabber.com/search_techspecs_full.php/masterid=6680237/ << That one.
[09:47] <runedude> Will it work good?
[09:47] <nalioth> Blue_Summer: "background changer"?
[09:47] <eyequeue> Blue_Summer:  xfce-look.org might :)
[09:48] <pgidz> blue_summer try settings -> desktop
[09:48] <djtansey> i'm having a problem with sound in ubuntu. i watched a movie in totem  (using the totem-xine package) and then rhythmbox wouldn't play anything, complaining about could not open resource for writing. then i tried to manually start esd (which ps aux showed wasn't running) and it said /dev/dsp: No such file or directory -- but ls -l /dev/dsp shows it is there.
[09:48] <brian_> Hey guys.. I have a noob question you get ALL the time: How do I install java.
[09:48] <brian_> Ive looked at the guide but it cannot find the package
[09:48] <Blue_Summer> pgidz,  oh lol sorry ive been on that menu before but just never recognised the image bit haha ty
[09:48] <simone> Me again ... back with little luck getting into the x-session. I still get the message that my session lasted less than 10 second. I did a sudo apt-get clean. Also did a sudo apt-get -f install.  also did a rm -r !/.ICE authority, did a df and established that my root drive is at 25%, the fullest partition (windows) is 69%.
[09:48] <ebone> brian_: that's not a noob question really ...
[09:49] <ebone> it's harder than you think ...
[09:49] <brian_> well it is asked alot
[09:49] <robitaille> brian_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[09:49] <ebone> yeah ...
[09:49] <ebone> there are some open source JVM's
[09:49] <brian_> i understand the repositories, have added them still no luck
[09:49] <simone> Then I looked at the error message generated when gnome login failed. it says: unable to create /gnome2 directory 0 permission denied
[09:49] <cmatheson> simone, look at your ~/.xsession-errors file
[09:49] <ebone> but frankly Sun's works the best.
[09:49] <cmatheson> simone, what does it say?
[09:49] <ebone> they can't package it though, cause it's not open source.
[09:49] <ebone> so ... go to Sun website and download the tarball.
[09:49] <nalioth> Blue_Summer: the program is called "chbg"
[09:49] <brian_> uh oh
[09:49] <brian_> lol
[09:49] <brian_> tarball
[09:50] <simone> cmatheson ... does my statement just above your comment answer your question?
[09:50] <ebone> it's not too tough....
[09:50] <brian_> Method 1: Use Sun Java packages prebuilt for Ubuntu
[09:50] <brian_> It is currently the best way to get an up to date Java installation in Ubuntu. It cares for the environment setup and the Firefox/Mozilla browser plugin as well. For easy installation there is a repository.
[09:50] <ebone> i think Sun has a Linux installer actually.
[09:50] <brian_> so which repository
[09:50] <brian_> lol
[09:50] <brian_> yeah i hvae done tarball installations before
[09:50] <brian_> ive been at this for a month continuously now
[09:50] <cmatheson> simone, oh sorry... hmm, why is it trying to make a /gnome2 dir instead of a ~/.gnome2?
[09:50] <brian_> have on and off for a year
[09:50] <nalioths_dog> brian_: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[09:51] <eyequeue> brian_:  ubuntuguide.org
[09:51] <simone> cmatheson... you are right, i just typed wrong
[09:51] <cmatheson> simone, oh ok, what are the permissions on your home directory?
[09:51] <HappyFool> nalioths_dog: i think seveas added a 'fakeroot' to the make-jpkg command, fwiw
[09:51] <simone> how do I find that out?
[09:51] <cmatheson> simone 'ls -l /home/your-user-name'
[09:51] <ebone> brian_: where did you see that ?
[09:52] <eyequeue> brian_:  for example, http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[09:52] <ebone> did you try "apt-cache search ..." ?
[09:52] <cugardorado> hi
[09:52] <bystander> ls -ld /home/simone actually
[09:52] <simone> I'll come back in a minute or so... just running to my other room where the box is.
[09:52] <cugardorado> i'm living in Mxico City
[09:52] <brian_> i got it
[09:52] <brian_> on hte wiki
[09:52] <brian_> on the wiki it gave me the repository that has the sun pkg
[09:52] <nalioth> HappyFool: ok, will update
[09:53] <ebone> hey ... that's pretty nice of them.
[09:53] <ebone> debian didn't have a package ...
[09:53] <simone> by the way, my wife's name is simone. I am weiers, so i suppose i will type in ls -ld /home/weiers
[09:53] <ebone> but debian is such "open source" snobbish ...  :)
[09:53] <bystander> simone: :)
[09:53] <brian_> eyequeue: i have been there
[09:53] <brian_> ye3ah so im installing it and ill see if it works
[09:53] <eyequeue> brian_:  k. glad to hear you got it okay
[09:53] <brian_> thanks anyway ebone and whoever gave me the wiki length
[09:53] <highvoltage> simone: weiers coetzee?
[09:54] <brian_> link
[09:54] <yasen> hello does anyone know how to tune up the power management such as closing laptop's lid and so on
[09:54] <simone> highvoltage yes
[09:55] <_reset> Can't load /etc/samba/smb.conf - run testparm to debug it
[09:55] <robitaille> brian_: no problem.  Personally I use method 6 on that wiki page (for the IBM Java)
[09:55] <_reset> :(
[09:55] <brian_> i used method one
[09:55] <Blue_Summer> anyone know how to do a print screen with XFCE?
[09:55] <brian_> i dunno if it works yet
[09:55] <_reset> i have problem with samba
[09:55] <_reset> Can't load /etc/samba/smb.conf - run testparm to debug it
[09:55] <simone> ok typed ls -ld /home/weiers and got the following greek   drwxr -xr -x 31 501 501 4096 2005-07-01 21:38 /home/weiers
[09:55] <eyequeue> yasen:  /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[09:55] <simone> highvoltage hi -- seen you before on clug :-)
[09:56] <yasen> thanks eyequeue :) i'll check that
[09:56] <bystander> simone: 501? this is a uuntu box?
[09:56] <ebone> ohhh ... that's just the runtime.
[09:56] <bystander> *ubuntu
[09:56] <Blue_Summer> eyequeue,  do you know how to take a screen shot on XFCE?
[09:56] <ebone> brian_: did you notice that ?  i think it's just the runtime ...
[09:56] <eyequeue> yasen:  /etc/default/acpi-support, too
[09:56] <nalioth> robitaille: you have a mac?
[09:56] <cmatheson> simone, and you are trying to log in as weiers right?
[09:56] <simone> bystander ... it was a mandrake box until a few minutes ago
[09:56] <ebone> brian_: are you taking a java class or something ?   you'll need more than the runtime.
[09:56] <simone> yes
[09:56] <eyequeue> Blue_Summer:  no sorry, i don't think i've ever used it
[09:56] <Blue_Summer> kk
[09:56] <simone> cmatheson yes
[09:56] <gero|fool> some german here which can help me with some problems ?
[09:57] <robitaille> nalioth:  no, I don't have a mac.  Why?
[09:57] <nalioth> gero|fool: is #ubuntu-de empty?
[09:57] <simone> I did not format the /home partition... don't really want to lose all the data (althoug I backed up onto cd earlier in the day)
[09:57] <nalioth> robitaille: you mentined IBM java
[09:57] <Blue_Summer> Anyone know how to take a screenshot with XFCE?
[09:57] <highvoltage> simone: yes, on clug :)
[09:57] <simone> So it is not the end of the world if I format the /home partition
[09:57] <gero|fool> i did not knew that channel^
[09:57] <cmatheson> simone, hmm, can any programs right to your home directory?
[09:57] <cmatheson> oh
[09:57] <robitaille> nalioth:  they have a version for i386.  I din't want the Sun version, so installed the IBM version.
[09:57] <HappyFool> simone, cmatheson: you need to 'sudo chown -R weiers /home/weiers'
[09:58] <cmatheson> simone, do you have a ~/.gnome2 directory already?
[09:58] <phaedrus4444> i just did sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list   and i get error that command not found
[09:59] <HappyFool> phaedrus4444: cos you don't have ubuntu-desktop
[09:59] <HappyFool> phaedrus4444: try 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list'
[09:59] <eyequeue> phaedrus4444:  sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:59] <pgidz> blue_summer try import -w root picture.png
[09:59] <bystander> simone: type ` echo $UID ` as your user: if the user was created by Ubuntu it would be something like 1000 - thus the perms on 501 might be the issue ?
[09:59] <Blue_Summer> kk
[09:59] <simone> cmatheson... I will go and check if I have the ~/.gnome2 directory. But I will also type the chown thing
[09:59] <ebone> guys ... the d/l source for 2.6.10 doesn't compile !
[09:59] <nalioth> robitaille: just wondering (thought everyone liked suns flavor)
[09:59] <ebone> i didn't change a thing hee hee ....
[09:59] <Blue_Summer> import command not found
[09:59] <Blue_Summer> pgidz, import command not found
[09:59] <simone> I'll be back in a minute
[09:59] <simone> thanks
[10:00] <bystander> Blue_Summer: install imagemagick
[10:00] <eyequeue> Blue_Summer:  imagemagick: /usr/bin/import
[10:00] <Blue_Summer> kk
[10:00] <eyequeue> oops
[10:00] <Blue_Summer> ?
[10:00] <brian_> ebone no i just want java for webcontent LOL
[10:00] <Blue_Summer> downloading + installing imagemagick] 
[10:00] <brian_> im a gfx designer
[10:01] <ebone> ahh ...
[10:01] <brian_> usually photoshop but i am laerning gimp
[10:01] <ebone> you only have to go to Sun for the jdk ...
[10:01] <ebone> your in luck !
[10:01] <pgidz> blue_summer you could use scrot
[10:01] <robitaille> nalioth:  actually on my machine, the fonts in some java apps look better using IBM's Java instead of Sun's Java.
[10:02] <Blue_Summer> scrot lol?
[10:02] <brian_> im really liking ubuntu
[10:02] <Blue_Summer> pgidz, i've installed imagemagick how do i do a screenshot now?
[10:02] <brian_> i liked debian too but somethings just broke on me
[10:02] <nalioth> robitaille: great. i have an ibook and don't like running java in the first place
[10:02] <brian_> another question: does anyone else know why sound doesnt work in ut2004
[10:02] <eyequeue> java uses its own fonts? hmm :(
[10:02] <nalioth> robitaille: but only the IBM java will work on the PPC
[10:02] <bystander> Blue_Summer: import -window root screenshot.png
[10:03] <simone> hi again... the sudo chown -r weiers /home/weiers got me into gnome
[10:03] <Blue_Summer> bystander,  just beeped twice and that was it
[10:03] <bystander> Blue_Summer: to see the result type display screenshot.png
[10:03] <simone> but now I have two very large error messages that makes no sense to me. one about a database that does not work.
[10:03] <bystander> it's in your working dir
[10:04] <ebone> ohh ...
[10:04] <simone> another about some problem gnome not being able to change some paramaters on my system
[10:04] <ebone> when compiling a kernel ... is it imperative that /usr/src/linux -> the kernel version ? that is, "point to" the source tree your using ?
[10:04] <simone> I also do not see the panel at the top the screen
[10:04] <ebone> that's probably why i bombed.
[10:05] <simone> I do however see the file that I had on my desktop in the mandrake kde on the screen ...
[10:05] <jobli> join #debian.se
[10:05] <runedude> just wondering, how easily will a USB cdwriter from Memorex work? http://ostg.pricegrabber.com/search_techspecs_full.php/masterid=6680237/ << That one.
[10:05] <simone> Would it be advisable to just try to reinstall ubuntu and this time format the /home partition?
[10:05] <bystander> Blue_Summer: got it?
[10:05] <HappyFool> simone: these problems are most likely because of residual mandrake gnome cruft in your /home/weiers directory
[10:06] <nalioth> simone: you transitioned from another distro to ubuntu?
[10:06] <simone> yes nalioth ... from mandrake 10.1
[10:06] <nalioth> simone: OUCH
[10:06] <Blue_Summer> bystander,  Yes ty :D
[10:06] <bystander> k
[10:06] <nalioth> simone: yes that is the problem i'd say
[10:06] <nalioth> simone: even tho its the same programs, they have their own distros
[10:06] <nalioth> 'flavors'
[10:06] <highvoltage> simone: did you chown simone:simone /home/simone -R after the chagne?
[10:06] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: well...  It appears that my program runs getopt but doesn't change any of the external variables it normally would...   man, i wish i had a manual on this
[10:07] <Blue_Summer> bystander,  what do i do if ihave made more than one screenshot?
[10:07] <apollo2011> Where the JRE folder in Ubuntu?
[10:07] <bystander> Blue_Summer: give each a name - eg import -window root screenie2.png etc
[10:07] <simone> highvoltage ... yes I did that a few minutes ago and it got me into the gnome session, but still a bunch of error messages
[10:07] <Blue_Summer> kk
[10:07] <RuKK> hey guys. I just broke my gnome desktop somehow. no more icons, cant right click, the panels still work fine, OS is perfectly functional, just no desktop. any way to refresh without restarting gnome?
[10:07] <tiglionabbit> apollo2011: `which java`
[10:08] <apollo2011> version?
[10:08] <tiglionabbit> what?  no, type that at console
[10:08] <holba> RuKK: check nautilus is still running
[10:08] <simone> ok.... so all that I am going to do is re-install and wipe out my /home partition and just live with the fact that I will lose all my old e-mails and e-mail addresses,
[10:08] <apollo2011> oh lol
[10:08] <HappyFool> simone: reinstalling might be easiest; you could also try erasing (or renaming) directories and files like ~/.gnome2, ~/.gconf, ~/.gconfd etc.
[10:08] <nalioth> simone: back them up
[10:09] <nalioth> simone: use qtparted to make a small partition and back it up
[10:09] <simone> how do I back up my thunderbird e-mails?
[10:09] <HappyFool> simone: this would be from a text-mode console, after you've logged out
[10:09] <tiglionabbit> apollo2011: that will be the binary for it.  To find more info, you may need to say `locate java` and look through that
[10:09] <holba> simone: create a new user in ubuntu and copy over your data from your user simone
[10:09] <RuKK> heh cool. good call holba. thanks man :)
[10:09] <holba> simone: better than installing the whole system again
[10:09] <RuKK> damn now I feel really dumb lol
[10:09] <tiglionabbit> apollo2011: if you do that, pipe it to less, it may have a lot of output
[10:09] <Blue_Summer> bystander,  ty m8
[10:10] <bystander> Blue_Summer: no problem :) read the man pages for imagemagick - it's a powerful tool!
[10:10] <apollo2011> tiglionabbit: I just needed to know because I am installing JAI and the bin requires it be run from the JRE folder
[10:10] <Blue_Summer> bystander,  ^^
[10:10] <simone> holba ... do I just type in a new user name at the ubuntu login?
[10:11] <holba> simone: no, either use adduser from a console or use the user admin tool
[10:11] <ShadowsD> hey, I'm having a problem with glad libglade with grapevine
[10:11] <tiglionabbit> apollo2011: what you want to do is follow the links.  say `which java`, then `ls -l` that file and look for what it points to (after the ->).  Then ls -l that file, and see where it points, etc, until you find a binary
[10:12] <apollo2011> yeah thats what I am doing
[10:12] <simone> I'm going to try all this advice and then I will be back again. Thanks once again.
[10:15] <ShadowsD> hey, I'm having a problem with glad libglade with grapevine
[10:16] <phaedrus4444> hey hey
[10:16] <phaedrus4444> i did apt-get install xfce4    and   now what?
[10:16] <phaedrus4444> it was alldone installing
[10:18] <Blue_Summer> lo
[10:18] <Big_O> >.>
[10:18] <nalioth> phaedrus4444: when you log out and log in again, click on "sessions" and choose xfce
[10:19] <Big_O> *gives up* <.<
[10:19] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus4444: now go to applications -> system tools -> new login to start a new X session and run it at the same time, woo
[10:19] <Blue_Summer> if i download quake 3 with an exe how can i install it in linux? (Im pretty sure quake 3 is linux compatible)
[10:19] <tiglionabbit> you can switch between using control-alt-F7 and F8
[10:19] <jeroen_> Blue_Summer, not the exe
[10:19] <jeroen_> that's the windows-version ofcourse
[10:19] <hi-jack> Good evening ... just to let you know that hi-jack is simone who was having trouble just now to get ubuntu to work on his box. Ubuntu is now installed on my box and I can log in as hi-jack. Now I just need to copy all my files from the other user
[10:19] <apollo2011> I just overwrote the /usr/bin/java link by accident
[10:20] <tiglionabbit> Blue_Summer: you could try, with wine or cedega, but jeroen_ is probably going to tell you how to get a more native version
[10:20] <jeroen_> tiglionabbit, no I'm not :P
[10:20] <Blue_Summer> what do i need from it?
[10:20] <tiglionabbit> apollo2011: no biggie, you can fix that
[10:20] <Blue_Summer> do i need a bin file?
[10:20] <jeroen_> that could be it, yes, Blue_Summer
[10:20] <phaedrus4444> problem is i did a sever install of ubuntu no graphical user interace...
[10:20] <phaedrus4444> i did a apt-get of xfce
[10:21] <phaedrus4444> so when i reboot...where do i choose session?
[10:21] <jeroen_> phaedrus4444, startx then
[10:21] <apollo2011> tiglionabbit: I did an mv in the terminal and entered the wrong path
[10:21] <phaedrus4444> how to startx?
[10:21] <Blue_Summer> jeroen_,  could i burn the iso?
[10:21] <nalioth> phaedrus4444: type "startx"
[10:21] <jeroen_> Blue_Summer, maybe
[10:21] <Blue_Summer> k
[10:22] <phaedrus4444> command not found
[10:22] <tiglionabbit> apollo2011: just do this:  sudo ln -s /usr/lib/whatever/bin/java /usr/bin/java
[10:22] <phaedrus4444> no startx
[10:22] <jeroen_> phaedrus4444, and you're *sure* you have installed the graphical stuff?
[10:22] <TokenBad> can someone help with msg got when trying to ./configure a plugin for xmms?
[10:22] <apollo2011> tiglionabbit: amen. thx
[10:22] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus4444: make sure you install xserver-xorg
[10:22] <HappyFool> try /usr/bin/X11/startx (maybe path is screwy?)
[10:22] <phaedrus4444> apt-get install xserver-xorg?
[10:23] <phaedrus4444> hey Token whats up!!!
[10:23] <TokenBad> not much phaedrus4444
[10:23] <brian_> hey guys, if i stop ESD to get sound in UT how do I start it again? i dont have sound now
[10:23] <TokenBad> how you doing?
[10:23] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus4444: yes
[10:23] <phaedrus4444> fancy meeting you here
[10:23] <tiglionabbit> brian_: `esd`
[10:23] <TokenBad> told you I hang here
[10:23] <brian_> doesnt work
[10:23] <brian_> it stays with a blinking cursor at the terminal for a while then goes back to a prompt but sound doesnt work
[10:23] <cmatheson> brian_, esdctl on?
[10:24] <Arnaud> Salut all :)
[10:24] <cmatheson> brian_, did you kill it or stop it
[10:24] <pgidz> phaedrus4444 try startxfce4
[10:24] <brian_> kill
[10:24] <brian_> killall esd
[10:24] <cmatheson> brian_, oh don't do that it's ugly.  next time do 'esdctl standby'
[10:24] <cmatheson> but for now just type 'esd &'
[10:24] <brian_> oh
[10:24] <brian_> ok, what does the & sign mean
[10:24] <brian_> differently
[10:24] <brian_> like its one thing you guys giving me the commands but other understanding
[10:25] <brian_> its still a no go btw
[10:25] <brian_> do i have to restart *sighs*?
[10:25] <cmatheson> brian_, the & sign puts it in the background
[10:25] <cmatheson> and you never ever have to restart unless you compile a new kernel
[10:26] <brian_> ok
[10:26] <brian_> that worked
[10:26] <brian_> and my volume was on high
[10:26] <brian_> i did esd twice didnt work then i did esd & and it said it was running so i killed it again then went esd & and then tested it in the media systems selector and blew my eardrums
[10:27] <TokenBad> in ubuntu how install gtk?
[10:27] <brian_> hmm also, it worked but then it dies
[10:27] <brian_> like after a sound plays
[10:27] <sktrdie> hello... everytime to make the sound go on, I need to type "alsaconf", after I reboot
[10:27] <sktrdie> but it goes off when I reboot
[10:28] <brian_> cmatheson, any idea? otherwise im going to reboot lol
[10:29] <phaedrus4444> says xinit not found wheni dop  startxfce4
[10:30] <cmatheson> brian_: why do you need to restart?
[10:30] <pgidz> phaedrus4444 try looking at this http://www.xfce.org/index.php?page=documentation&lang=en
[10:31] <TokenBad> where is the xmms-config file normally stored?
[10:32] <HappyFool> TokenBad: ~/.xmms, at a guess
[10:32] <TokenBad> when tried to configure plugin for it..says it can't find the xmms-config file
[10:34] <apollo2011> I ran the bin from the JRE dire (/usr/lib/kaffe/.system/bin and it has an error
[10:35] <Paully> evenin' all
[10:36] <musicman2059> g'afternoon
[10:36] <mauper> g'night
[10:37] <Paully> Having a nice friday?
[10:38] <Nomikos> uhm.. what to do when all icons suddenly disappear from the desktop ?
[10:38] <Paully> Nomikos: apps -> System tools -> config editor
[10:39] <star> hi
[10:39] <Paully> in config editor go to ; apps -> Nautilus -> Desktop and have a look if all checkboxes are ticked
[10:39] <Paully> hi star
[10:40] <Nomikos> Paully: i rather think it crashed
[10:40] <star> well this is cool i'm new
[10:40] <Paully> Nomikus: OR you deleted all your icons. haha
[10:40] <Nomikos> icons and names and everything is gone, can't access the Places -> Computer etc anymore either
[10:41] <Paully> Welcome star. we'll take good care of you
[10:41] <Nomikos> how do i restart Nautilus?
[10:41] <star> uh ,thanks
[10:41] <Paully> Nomikus: ps -A | grep naut
[10:41] <Paully> Nomikus: find the pid and type kill -s 9 pidnumber
[10:42] <Paully> Nomikus: or just restart X with ctrl+alt+backspace
[10:42] <_reset> how can i play a mp3 with samba?
[10:42] <mongbatstar> hiya, need some help- jus installed 64bit version of 5.04, didnt get a single error but the grub aint installed atall and my system boot straight into windows xp :(
[10:42] <Nomikos> hmm.. there's over 10 of them, should there be?
[10:42] <Paully> Nomikus: should only be one
[10:42] <mauper> _reset: I thought samba was a smb server ?
[10:42] <star> how can I get to Kyo(my brother)
[10:42] <Nomikos> Ctrl+alt+backspc it is
[10:43] <Paully> C U after restart Nomikos
[10:43] <sam_> Hi everyone can somebody help with ndis-wrapper
[10:43] <_reset> mauper,  i see the foto, but can't play mp3 in samba :(
[10:43] <Nomikos> (not this box)
[10:43] <Paully> oh
[10:43] <Paully> :-)
[10:44] <mongbatstar> hiya, need some help- jus installed 64bit version of 5.04, didnt get a single error but the grub aint installed atall and my system boot straight into windows xp :(
[10:44] <ebone> guys ... i'm trying to compile 2.6.11 ....
[10:44] <ebone> this is what i get:
[10:44] <ebone> make[2] : *** [drivers/acpi/pcc_acpi.o]  Error 1
[10:44] <ebone> make[1] : *** [drivers/acpi]  Error 2
[10:44] <ebone> make: *** [drivers]  Error 2
[10:44] <ebone> any ideas ?
[10:44] <star> um.........hello
[10:44] <Paully> Star. I didn't really understand your question
[10:45] <sam_>  can somebody help with ndis-wrapper
[10:45] <tuxadm_> your headers are "broken" ebone
[10:45] <sam_> i have installed it via apt-get but I cant acess iit
[10:46] <star> well I'm trying to chat with him *star is lost in confusion
[10:46] <lotia> anyone using the windows bootloader to boot into linux?
[10:46] <mjr> any clue why my DVD drive won't go into DMA mode if I've booted from it? (Shuttle SN95G5, gives  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted)
[10:46] <sam_> i dont think windows will allow ext2 or 3 partitions
[10:46] <Paully> star: when I type "/whois kyo" there are no person by that name on this network
[10:46] <lotia> technically using the windows bootloader to boot into grub and then ubuntu?
[10:47] <sam_> but if u use fat16/32 it might work
[10:47] <Nomikos> O_o Ctrl-Alt-Del fails to even work...
[10:47] <lsuactiafner> mjr : sudo
[10:47] <mjr> lsuactiafner, no
[10:47] <pgidz> nomikos try killing nautilus
[10:47] <Paully> Nomikos: do NOT touch that powercord!
[10:47] <Nomikos> :-)
[10:47] <Nomikos> rebooted via menu now
[10:47] <star> no its acutully JUST Kyo
[10:47] <tuxadm_> cat /etc/passwd
[10:47] <Paully> haha
[10:47] <Nomikos> that works (thankfully..)
[10:48] <Nomikos> pgidz: at some point Nautilus wasn't running anymore, but i couldn't start it either, some GTK error.. seeing if it comes back now
[10:48] <HappyFool> mjr: not maybe sata or weird ide (or sata/scsi) controller or something ?
[10:48] <Gourami>  how do I boot without run the cron jobs ?
[10:48] <Paully> star: no Kyo on this network. maybe he is using another name
[10:49] <Dakkar> hello!  I am trying to install linux for the first time...
[10:49] <mjr> HappyFool, no, and the problem appears only if I boot from it
[10:49] <star> * star has no clue what everone is saying, but is trying to understand*
[10:49] <tuxadm_> cat /etc/passwd | grep Kyo
[10:49] <HappyFool> Gourami: 'sudo reboot' ?
[10:49] <sam_> can somebody durect me to a ndis-wrapper post installation guide
[10:49] <Dakkar> The install went smootly but at the restart i received a grub error 18 message...
[10:49] <HappyFool> mjr: hrm. ok, i give up ;)
[10:49] <mjr> which is, well, all the time now, as the rest of my drives are now sata, and this stupid box won't boot from those
[10:49] <mjr> (sigh)
[10:50] <star> well can I talk to you then
[10:50] <mjr> well thanks anyway
[10:50] <Nomikos> woooooo! icons! windows!
[10:50] <Paully> sam_ i would if i had any experience with ndis. unfortunatley no wireless network card here to try it with
[10:51] <sam_> I have installed ndis-wrapper just asking for a uide to work with it I cant acess it
[10:51] <star> hey paully what is every one talking about????? *still lost*
[10:51] <bionic> whats a neat torrent client for linux? i dont like gnome bittorent. :)
[10:52] <tuxadm_> sam_ have you tried lspci
[10:52] <Paully> star: you are in the #ubuntu channel. Ubuntu is a linux version. only technical lingo in here. maybe you have entered here by mistake? do you need any help with your linux box or just want to chat?
[10:53] <sam_> whats lspci
[10:53] <Dakkar> anybody knows about grub error 18?
[10:53] <lsuactiafner> man grub
[10:53] <pgidz> bionic try azureus
[10:53] <star> *star  thinks she has lost her mind* ummmm..........hello
[10:53] <Gourami> helpful tip, when testing a cron for shutdown dont set it to run every minute... lol
[10:53] <Prottie> Gourami: hehe
[10:53] <apollo2011> What program/command do I use to make a deb from an rpm
[10:53] <socomm> star: You're probably in the wrong channel.
[10:54] <tuxadm_> lspci list pci devices and such
[10:54] <Gourami> I got myself in a nasty shutdown...startup...shutdown...startup cycle
[10:54] <mauper> apollo2011: alien ?
[10:54] <sam_> lol
[10:54] <thielmann> apollo2011: 'alien'
[10:54] <apollo2011> thx
[10:54] <lsuactiafner> rofl Gourami
[10:54] <bionic> pgidz, thanks
[10:54] <Paully> oh she left. I like the confused types
[10:54] <tiglionabbit> woot, I fixed it!  All I needed to do was include a library
[10:54] <Paully> oh well
[10:55] <Gourami> but I got my first cron to work !! yeeha
[10:55] <Paully> Gourami: did you do a cron shutdown?
[10:55] <sam_> this is pointless
[10:55] <Gourami> yes Paully
[10:55] <socomm> Haha.
[10:56] <Paully> Gourami: did it work as you'd expect? never tried that
[10:56] <pgidz> gourami did you have to put the -h now to get it to work
[10:56] <Gourami> yes it did, with a few tries
[10:56] <Paully> congrats
[10:56] <Gourami> no I just needed the full path to shutdown
[10:56] <Gourami> thanks :)
[10:58] <Paully> what do you need it for? can you trigger a shutdown after a torrent download? for example: detect when torrent is at 100% + write cron to shutdown after 5 minutes?
[10:58] <Gourami> no its to shutdown all workstations at the office at 6pm
[10:59] <lsuactiafner> Paully : i would think wget url ; halt , not sure about torrents
[10:59] <Paully> oh. that does make sence.
[10:59] <geargolem> anyone have success with flash-for-linux?
[10:59] <Paully> lsuactiafner (wow that was hard to type) of course
[10:59] <Paully> geargolem: yep
[10:59] <lsuactiafner> dont type, type ls then press tab for nick completion
[10:59] <geargolem> Paully, type first few letters of name and hit <tab>for autocomplete
[11:00] <geargolem> Paully are you using Hoary?  How did you get it to compile?
[11:00] <Paully> geargolem, downloaded flash from macromedia of course. why complicate things? :-)
[11:01] <geargolem> Paully, I'm talking about a flash editor
[11:01] <nalioth> geargolem: its still really really beta (f4l)
[11:01] <geargolem> nalioth, no luck yet?
[11:01] <Paully> geargolem, oh.
[11:02] <star> well I've got nothing else to do
[11:02] <nalioth> geargolem: i tried to compile it t'other night, and i noticed the first line of code was #this software is broken
[11:02] <geargolem> nalioth, lol.  I'm wishing it would work.
[11:02] <Nomikos> star, sorry, i drank your beer
[11:03] <geargolem> nalioth, did you see the broken link for the deb file?
[11:03] <star> ha ha very funny
[11:03] <nalioth> geargolem: nope, i run a PPC
[11:03] <Paully> hi star. welcome back
[11:03] <geargolem> Paully, it was taught to me.
[11:03] <syntaxerror64> hi nalioth!
[11:03] <Nomikos> ooh, like sambucca
[11:04] <Paully> geargolem, it's a very handy thing!
[11:04] <pfp> good, eh?
[11:04] <Paully> geargolem, i type like double speed now haha
[11:04] <geargolem> Paully, yep.
[11:04] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: whassup!
[11:04] <Nomikos> :)
[11:04] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, not a lot just got back on ubuntu for the first time in a couple weeks :)
[11:04] <star> well there was nothing else to do so I came back
[11:04] <Nomikos> my nick is Greek'ish but not actually from around there
[11:04] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: i see that
[11:05] <geargolem> how about wysiwyg web editors?
[11:05] <nalioth> geargolem: nvu
[11:05] <nalioth> geargolem: or mozilla-composer
[11:05] <geargolem> nalioth, didn't like nvu.  I'll try mozilla-composer
[11:06] <Paully> star, where are you from?
[11:06] <star> *star hands her beer to Nomikos because she doen't drink beer*
[11:06] <Nomikos> beer, ouzo, beer again, i'm not gonna get anything done tonight
[11:06] <JDigital> Can someone remind me how to do symlinks?
[11:07] <_reset> someone use samba????
[11:07] <pfp> JDigital: ln -s filename linkname
[11:07] <JDigital> such that /home/jdigital/images/ is like, an alias for /mnt/stuff/images/
[11:07] <star> I'm from Ohio * satr giggles
[11:07] <JDigital> thanks pfp
[11:07] <nalioth> JDigital: the "man" can   "man ln"
[11:07] <_reset> someone use samba????
[11:07] <Paully> JDigital, ln -s /etc/cpme /to/this/one
[11:07] <JDigital> thx Paully
[11:07] <Nomikos> _reset, yo, but i can tell you little about it
[11:07] <Paully> _reset, yep. just set it up
[11:07] <fiberoptix> Hey everyone, Im a long time gentoo user and I wanted to try out a more desktop friendly distro, but the only "package" system I know is gentoos portage,.  How do you install packages to unbutru
[11:08] <JDigital> _reset: I'm sure someone does
[11:08] <_reset> i hpe
[11:08] <JDigital> fiberoptix: run Synaptic
[11:08] <Paully> fiberoptix, apt-get install foobar
[11:08] <_reset> hope
[11:08] <fiberoptix> JDigital:  symlinks line is ln -l
[11:08] <nalioth> fiberoptix: we use apt
[11:08] <Tuxicity> _reset, I do... sometimes
[11:08] <Nomikos> fiberoptix: apt-get absolutely rules, even i get it
[11:08] <fiberoptix> apt-get whats that? is software ocmpiled from source or binaries?
[11:08] <star>  I don't know what you guys are saying ,but at least I get to watch
[11:08] <_reset> i am able to see the pics with samba
[11:08] <nalioth> fiberoptix: apt can compile from source, if you want it to
[11:08] <_reset> but don't play mp3
[11:08] <_reset> :(
[11:08] <Gourami> any idea how I can broadcast a message to the user from a cron job ?
[11:09] <Paully> fiberoptix, apt-get is like emerge but without the compiling
[11:09] <fiberoptix> nalioth: are the packages stored on unbutru mirrors?
[11:09] <Nomikos> star, most here are talking about computery stuff, Linux etc
[11:09] <Paully> _reset, samba is a filesharing network. nothing to do with mp3
[11:09] <pfp> fiberoptix: you basically have repositories on the net and you install stuff just by selecting packages.. downloading, version selection anda eevrything is automagic
[11:09] <nalioth> fiberoptix: yes, you may look here: packages.ubuntu.com
[11:10] <fiberoptix> pfp: sweet, is thier a listing of available packages somewhere on the net?
[11:10] <fiberoptix> nalioth: lol beat me to it
[11:10] <star> well my dad is a Linux man
[11:10] <JDigital> _reset: can you play mp3 even without samba?
[11:10] <JDigital> _reset: Ubuntu needs to have the MP3 support installed separately, I think
[11:10] <Gourami> any idea how I can broadcast a message to the user from a cron job ?
[11:10] <_reset> ya Paully  but when you share a folder you watch in
[11:10] <JDigital> the wiki explains how to do this, or ubuntuguide.org
[11:10] <_reset> JDigital,  yep
[11:10] <Nomikos> fiberoptix: as JDigital said, synaptic is nice as well, GUI for listings and managing installs
[11:10] <nalioth> JDigital: please do not advise ubuntuguide
[11:11] <fiberoptix> nalioth: ok one last question, is unbutru "linuxie" enough to allow you to compile unavailable programs from source and have them work correctly
[11:11] <_reset> in local i play mp3 without problem
[11:11] <JDigital> what's wrong with ubuntuguide
[11:11] <JDigital> _reset: oh
[11:11] <JDigital> so much for that idea
[11:11] <Gourami> or a network broadcast to all workstations even
[11:11] <nalioth> fiberoptix: yes it is. i've used linux for over 5 years and i love this
[11:11] <pfp> fiberoptix: yea, 3 separate repo's exist, with different levels of support from ubuntu / the community / $deity ... someone already pasted that packages.ubuntu.com link
[11:11] <Paully> _reset, i have never tried it. hang on
[11:11] <star> *star starts getting dizzy from so many words*
[11:11] <nalioth> _reset: JDigital please see #3 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[11:12] <Nomikos> star, you're on your dad's computer now?
[11:12] <mjr> hmpf, found my problem. Apparently not related to boot after all; the ide driver just doesn't want to enable DMA if there's no hard drive present. A CD drive won't do. Buggers.
[11:12] <Nomikos> that might've been how you got here then :-)
[11:12] <mjr> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25541
[11:12] <JDigital> aha
[11:12] <_reset> Paully,  i watch the pics trough samba why not mp3?
[11:12] <JDigital>  Ubuntuguide.org presents wrong solutions, ranging from suboptimal solutions to pure regressions.
[11:12] <JDigital> hehe
[11:13] <fiberoptix> thanks for the help guys, anyone here ever use gentoo? what are unbutrus advantages over gentoo
[11:13] <star> *star races to the bathrom and.........uh thats not pretty
[11:13] <star> no, this is MY computer
[11:13] <nalioth> fiberoptix: the option to install a binary and have it within minutes vs compiling everything on board
[11:13] <Nomikos> ah ok
[11:14] <Tuxicity> fiberoptix, less time wasted ;)
[11:14] <holba> fiberoptix: you don't have to wait 12 hours for openoffice to compile :)
[11:14] <fiberoptix> nalioth: Thats true but gentoo has most compile heavy software as binaries
[11:14] <fiberoptix> including openoffice
[11:14] <Paully> _reset, i got the same problem with movies. strange. maybe because file-associations does not work over shares. i have no idea why. it is a very good question
[11:14] <holba> fiberoptix: upgrades require less messing with configs
[11:14] <Tuxicity> fiberoptix, the binaries on Gentoo often cause problems as I recall
[11:14] <fiberoptix> so mainly ease of use?
[11:14] <nalioth> fiberoptix: use ubuntu and see
[11:14] <holba> yes
[11:15] <star> *star walks back and barley reachs the key board*
[11:15] <_reset> Paully,  in the past worked this
[11:15] <nalioth> fiberoptix: if you have any questions about apt, just drop in and ask
[11:15] <Paully> _reset, will restart the laptop and see if the problem still exist after reboot
[11:15] <Nomikos> fiberoptix: i found it easier than even the most basic configure-make-makeinstall dances
[11:16] <_reset> tnx
[11:16] <moten> hello
[11:16] <star>  *star wiats for anyone to talk to her and starts to fall a sleep*
[11:16] <peet> nalioth: how do you check if a package has been installed
[11:16] <Paully> _reset, I know i did get some samba problems after i installed a local firewall (firestarter) but wait a few minutes and i will experiment
[11:16] <nalioth> peet: i use synaptic
[11:16] <Nomikos> fiberoptix: for example to install a nice editor you go  $ sudo apt-get install bluefish <enter> *type password* ... done.
[11:17] <peet> nalioth: from the console though
[11:17] <peet> Nomikos: or ou can sudo bash
[11:17] <nalioth> peet: i'm not sure
[11:18] <Nomikos> i usually do "sudo -s -H" copypasted from somewhere, seems to work :)
[11:18] <luckec> heya
[11:19] <Agiofws> i'm asking for a freind
[11:19] <rasputnik> peet: 'dpkg -l | grep ^ii |grep packagename'
[11:19] <you-bunt-too> Has anyone tried the new version of Nvu 1.0?
[11:19] <Agiofws> he installed  ubuntu -gnome
[11:19] <you-bunt-too> I don't see it yet for ubuntu so I'm curious
[11:19] <luckec> can anyone get edit-access in the ubuntu-wiki? I mean: https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:20] <peet> rasputnik: thanks
[11:20] <rasputnik> np
[11:20] <Agiofws> but can't find an app tha connets to the net via dial-up can anyone help?
[11:20] <luckec> IMHO there is an error in the documentation fot grub-splashimages ...
[11:21] <pgidz> agiofws try system -> admin -> networking
[11:21] <CarlFK> luckec - yes.
[11:21] <you-bunt-too> if I were to make a .deb package with ubuntu hoary using checkinstall, and it installs fine on my system, would this be suitable for others to use as well? Why or why not?
[11:21] <luckec> CarlFK: How? I didn't find a link to register ...
[11:21] <Agiofws> pgidz,  what app?
[11:21] <Burgundavia> luckec, wiki is editable by all
[11:21] <pgidz> agiofws try system -> admin -> networking
[11:21] <Agiofws> is he looking for?
[11:22] <Agiofws> kppp?
[11:22] <JDigital> Uh-oh, I symlinked the wrong thing.
[11:22] <Paully> _reset, it does work fine for me. mp3 = no problem using totem
[11:22] <CarlFK> luckec - well, i was registered for a while.  upper right is login?
[11:22] <JDigital> how do I undo it
[11:22] <nalioth> you-bunt-too: you can get a deb from the nvu homepage
[11:22] <luckec> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuArtwork -> in the top left corner is a link that says "Log in to edit"
[11:22] <rasputnik> luckec: 'log in to edit' - you need a launchpad account, sign up
[11:22] <pgidz> agiofws click on system then admin then networking
[11:23] <you-bunt-too> nalioth, thanks. Regarding my second question,  I was merely curious about making .debs as a general question :)
[11:23] <luckec> rasputnik: aaaah - I see. Thx!
[11:23] <star> hey paully how can I talk to other people
[11:23] <Agiofws> pgidz,  whats tha name of the app ?
[11:23] <Agiofws> do you know....   a dialer is what i need
[11:24] <CarlFK> star - look in synaptic for VoIP
[11:24] <_reset> Paully,  send me smb.conf
[11:25] <CarlFK> star - and then get an account from one of these: http://voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=VoIP+Service+Providers
[11:25] <nalioth> you-bunt-too: checkinstall makes a functional deb, but it does not include all the stuff required by debian (for ease of use on all systems)
[11:25] <pgidz> agiofws try gnome-ppp
[11:25] <CarlFK> I use http://www.freeworlddialup.com
[11:25] <nalioth> you-bunt-too: the checkinstall deb might run on your sisters identical puter, but not on anyone elses
[11:25] <Agiofws> is that it does it have a gui front end
[11:25] <you-bunt-too> nalioth, thanks
[11:25] <pgidz> agiofws yes
[11:25] <you-bunt-too> nalioth, so it's advisable NOT to share homemade debs?
[11:25] <you-bunt-too> nalioth, if they were made with checkinstall
[11:26] <luckec> Before I go and get an account ... what do you people think: On this site (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuArtwork) at the bottom the menu.lst should not look like
[11:26] <luckec>    splashimage=(hdX,Y)/boot/grub/FILE.xpm.gz
[11:26] <luckec> but it has to go:
[11:26] <luckec>    splashimage=(hdX,Y)/grub/FILE.xpm.gz
[11:26] <luckec> Without a preceding /boot as this is the root that grub uses. Or am I wrong?
[11:26] <pgidz> agiofws http://www.gnome-ppp.org/
[11:26] <rasputnik> nalioth: so what's different about a 'good' .deb?
[11:26] <nalioth> you-bunt-too: correct, keep your homemade debs for your own use
[11:26] <you-bunt-too> nalioth, thanks
[11:26] <nalioth> rasputnik: you'd have to go to debian.org and read up on packaging standards
[11:26] <Paully> _reset, paste.ubuntulinux.nl/363
[11:27] <nalioth> you-bunt-too: the pkgs you make with "sudo apt-get source -b <pkgname>" are official ubuntu pkgs
[11:28] <ebone> kernel compile keeps bombing ....
[11:28] <ebone> during acpi compile:  drivers/acpi/pcc_acpi.c
[11:28] <ebone> any ideas ?  this happens w/ just about any kernel > 2.6.8
[11:29] <cmatheson> ebone, your config sucks
[11:30] <ebone> apparently so ... i opened the file in vi, it's panasonics LCD driver ... don't need it anyway.
[11:30] <Paully> _reset, the only different is that i added so only local computers can connect (hosts allow = 192.168.0. )
[11:30] <ebone> driving me nuts though.
[11:33] <punkrockguy318> How can I use debian packages with Ubuntu?
[11:33] <Joggl``> hi
[11:33] <musicman2059> punkrockguy318: Repository or manually downloaded?
[11:33] <punkrockguy318> manually downloaded
[11:34] <musicman2059> sudo dpkg --install <filename>
[11:35] <punkrockguy318> musicman2059, i get an error
[11:36] <punkrockguy318>  python-apsw depends on python (<< 2.4); however:  Version of python on system is 2.4.1-0ubuntu2.
[11:37] <Tuxicity> punkrockguy318, installing Debian packages on Ubuntu should only be a last resort
[11:38] <punkrockguy318> Tuxicity, what should i do?
[11:38] <Tuxicity> punkrockguy318, which package do you want?
[11:38] <punkrockguy318> python-apsw
[11:43] <arenner> I just installed Ubuntu for the first time and my display is stuck at 640x480. the Screen Res preference will not give me other resolution options. Any ideas?
[11:43] <z|bandito> hi
[11:44] <z|bandito> i'm trying to use python to install bittorrent so i can run my own tracker for my legal music downloads i publish
[11:44] <arkhang> salut
[11:44] <spity> i was wondering, why ubuntu does not source out of debian lately?
[11:44] <z|bandito> but any time i try the python commands, it errors out... 'error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile
[11:45] <z|bandito> how can i fix this please?  thanks!  :)
[11:45] <punkrockguy318> Tuxicity, any ideas?
[11:46] <arenner> bandito: Python is installed in Ubuntu by default, why try to switch to python 2.4?
[11:46] <z|bandito> i think it has both installed by default
[11:46] <Paully> arenner, yes. i helped another guy with that today. I don't know how much time i have though. #1 what is the model of your monitor?
[11:46] <z|bandito> err more than one.. i didn't change it afaik
[11:47] <Tuxicity> punkrockguy318, perhaps you should get the source package instead
[11:47] <z|bandito> both 2.1 and 2.4 i think..
[11:47] <arenner> hitachi cs555, graphics processor is nvidia IGP on a nforce board
[11:47] <z|bandito> i might have done a system update with apt-get
[11:48] <arenner> z|bandito: So you get that error when installing Python, or Bittorrent?
[11:48] <Tuxicity> Tuxicity, cause the Deiban binary was compiled against a different version of Python than Ubuntu's
[11:48] <z|bandito> when trying to install bittorrent
[11:49] <Paully> arenner,I did not find any specs. is it an lcd monitor?
[11:52] <nalioth> python has several versions installed on my system
[11:52] <z|bandito> the config directory doesn't even exist, though.. :\
[11:54] <Paully> arenner, i would recommend you to install nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings if you haven't done that yet
[11:55] <knoppix> hi$
[11:55] <sensayshun> Can someone tell me a good dock to use in ubuntu
[11:55] <Paully> hello knoppix
[11:56] <cmatheson> sensayshun, dock?
[11:56] <knoppix> I was writing a homepage and accidentally deleted a long html file
[11:56] <sensayshun> cmatheson, yeah like you get on a mac
[11:56] <knoppix> is there a way to undelete it from ext2 fs?
[11:56] <thingy> I have compiled a custom kernel(make-pkg) using a vanilla source tree tarball + patch set. The kernel's fine, but now I need to get the nvidia driver installed. Is there a non-nvidia installer way of me being able to do this?
[11:56] <nalioth> knoppix: you are out of luck
[11:56] <cyphase> In case your interested and you didn't know, the July issue of Tux Magazine is out - http://www.tuxmagazine.com/
[11:56] <Paully> knoppix, if it's gone it's gone
[11:57] <z|bandito> :(
[11:57] <pipatron> Yoyo. How do I get the gnome-terminal to copy-on-select?
[11:57] <z|bandito> arenner
[11:57] <knoppix> so theres no way? even from ext2?
[11:57] <sensayshun> cmatheson, like this: http://acutus.ca/digitalclock/image-screenshot-thumbnail-dock.jpg
[11:57] <Albaraha> how do I change grub splashimage?
[11:57] <pipatron> I don't like to break my fingers by typing ctrl+shift+c every time I want to copy :(
[11:57] <machetti> hi guys
[11:58] <sensayshun> albaraha, the one when you login?
[11:58] <you-bunt-too> pipatron, I just run klipper
[11:58] <pipatron> you-bunt-too: Sounds like some KDE wizardry
[11:58] <z|bandito> arenner i installed on a laptop today also and i only have 640x480 despite i know it is a 800x600 lcd, and in x setup i specified both resolutions.. however it is only a 2mb video card so i dunno if i can support 800x600... perhaps if i change the bit-depth, but i didn't see that option there.. i'll have to look again. dunno if you have an older gfx card in
[11:58] <you-bunt-too> pipatron, yes but it works in Gnome
[11:58] <machetti> does anyone know how i can get totem to work on my box
[11:58] <nalioth> z|bandito: try with the VESA driver
[11:58] <pipatron> machetti: Not unless you specify the error :)
[11:59] <z|bandito> er, how? :)
[11:59] <pipatron> you-bunt-too: Are you sure? I guess I could try it out then
[11:59] <rasputnik> pipatron: X already does, just middle click to paste it
[11:59] <luckec> Albaraha: Howto change Grub-Image: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuArtwork
[11:59] <Tuxicity> pipatron, sounds like a feature request :)
[11:59] <you-bunt-too> pipatron, yes it works flawlessly in Gnome
[12:00] <Jeruhme> For some reason my mouse "lags" every few seconds and it's driving me crazy... I've seen the issue reported elsewhere, but no resolution.  Anyone know what to do?