[12:02] <thingy> Xaqueth: Same time everyday? Could be something external to the system? I'm thinking of something that might cause the box to freeze, e.g. a power surge
[12:03] <gdh> there are certainly no cron jobs happening at only midnight by default
[12:03] <dwmurphy> i've heard of an air-horn going off the same time everyday that use to screw up hard drives... (long time ago...)
[12:03] <Xaqueth> hmm, that thought didn't cross my mind, I automatically assumed its software problem
[12:04] <McScruff> if its the same time it i would think power
[12:04] <Xaqueth> if its hardware issue, I reckon I can test that with using different distro for tomorrow, like Knoppix to find out
[12:04] <McScruff> if its the same time everyday i would think power
[12:05] <gdh> Xaqueth: Ideally run something like memtest86 over the midnight period
[12:05] <Xaqueth> I'll do that tomorrow midnight, thanks gdh 
[12:05] <Xaqueth> and thanks for ideas 
[12:06] <thingy> it might turn out to be the washing machine/dishwasher turning on :-)
[12:07] <Xaqueth> I don't have either of them running tho, dunno about neightbors tho :)
[12:21] <hon> how can I have userlist in kdm?
[12:23] <thingy> hon: you need to use a different kdm theme, e.g. revert back to the default kde theme.
[12:25] <hon> thingy: /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc ?
[12:25] <thingy> hon: to do that, you need to make a backup of "/etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc", then edit the file, looking for the line, "Theme=/usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu". Just comment that line, by putting a # in front of it.
[12:25] <thingy> hon: right you got it!
[12:26] <hon> thingy: thanks. I'll do it. BTW, how can I have a theme with userlist?
[12:28] <_sean> yo
[12:28] <thingy> hon: the default kde theme does have a userlist. There should be an option in the kdmrc which you can use to enable/disable the user list. The kubuntu theme doesn't seem to honour that option. Option = "UserList=true"
[12:29] <hon> let me try ...
[12:33] <tuerten> hi everyone
[12:33] <tuerten> total noob trying to install bittorrent
[12:33] <tuerten> i use kynaptic to get the packages but it doesn't auto install and display on the gui menu
[12:33] <tuerten> how do i install it manually?
[12:35] <thingy> tuerten: the bittorent package description says: "This package contains the tools which are used for console-only downloading.  If you want the GUI interface, install the bittorrent-gui package."
[12:36] <thingy> tuerten: Did you install the bittorrent-gui package?
[12:36] <tuerten> no, so thats my mistake
[12:37] <thingy> tuerten: I haven't ever installed bit torrent and so I was just going by the description. hmm wonder what this looks like...
[12:38] <tuerten> do i install it simply through kynaptic?  is it a package labelled bittorrent-gui?
[12:38] <thingy> yes
[12:39] <tuerten> it doesn't show up in my kynaptic, only bittorrent does
[12:39] <thingy> oh
[12:40] <thingy> in that case try this first, and then check if you have to enable support for multiverse in your sources.list
[12:40] <tuerten> mmm sorry i don't know how
[12:40] <thingy> try, "apt-get install bittorrent-gui" in an xterm or on the console as root
[12:41] <thingy> if that says cannot find the package then it means you need to add multiverse(or maybe universe) into your sources.list
[12:42] <tuerten> Package bittorrent-gui is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:42] <tuerten> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:42] <tuerten> is only available from another source
[12:42] <tuerten> sorry, thats the message i received back
[12:43] <thingy> tuerten: ah right
[12:44] <thingy> ok, i haven't got kynaptic installed
[12:44] <tuerten> ok, no worries
[12:45] <tuerten> thanks anyway
[12:45] <thingy> tuerten: I'm loath to install it aah bugger nm ill go install it so i can talk you through configuring the sources
[12:45] <thingy> don't go
[12:45] <thingy> i'll install it and talk you through it
[12:45] <tuerten> awesome
[12:45] <tuerten> :D
[12:45] <thingy> i'll be expecting a check for a zillion bucks for this... :-)
[12:45] <tuerten> lol
[12:46] <edulix> what is the kubuntu's default KDE prefix ?
[12:46] <edulix> I need to install an app that uses an incorrect one
[12:47] <thingy> doh../usr
[12:47] <thingy> i was typing /usr by itself and wondering why it didnt work
[12:47] <edulix> :P
[12:49] <thingy> gaah wth, kynaptic doesn't have a way of updating the sources.list
[12:50] <edulix> thingy: what's the normal way to specify to a configure script the kde prefix ?
[12:51] <edulix> something like KDEPREFIX=/usr ./configure ?
[12:52] <thingy> edulix: let me just confirm
[12:52] <nikkia> edulix, if you're trying to rebuild KDE over kubuntu's that won't work
[12:52] <edulix> no, I'm trying to install k3ddesktop
[12:53] <thingy> edulix: according to do this, http://developer.kde.org/build/compile_kde3_4.html, it's KDEDIR=/usr ./configure
[12:53] <thingy> tuerten: you will need to edit a text file, you ok if I priv. msg you?
[12:53] <edulix> ok thanks
[12:53] <tuerten> for sure
[02:16] <gdh> mm?
[02:16] <nikkia> gdh, trying to track down a song from the radio
[02:17] <gdh> :) how does it go? :)
[02:17] <nikkia> oh, i know the title
[02:17] <gdh> I'm probably the worst person to ask. I don't listen to music radio and I am completely out of touch with popular culture
[02:17] <nikkia> and i know who sang it, originally, but i'm about 98% sure that the version played was not the original
[02:18] <nikkia> gdh, this is about as far from 'popular culture' as it gets :P
[02:18] <nikkia> gdh, it was alice cooper's radio show, playing 'Venus in Furs'
[02:18] <gdh> don't virgin have an online playlist?
[02:18] <nikkia> but the pronounciation on the 'severin, severin' bit did not match lou reed's
[02:18] <nikkia> gdh, yes, but it only works for native shows
[02:18] <nikkia> alice cooper is syndicated from the US, and thus doesn't get on the 'playlist'
[02:18] <gdh> ahh he does a big syndicated thing?
[02:19] <gdh> there isn't some geeky messageboard you could ask?
[02:19] <nikkia> i've only tracked down 2 covers of Venus in Furs, one by some weird french band, and one by Smashing Pumpkins, neither are 'almost identical to the original, except for the pronounciation of severin'
[02:20] <nikkia> which leads me to wonder if either 1) i'm imagining the pronounciation difference, 2) it was a later 'lou reed' cover of his own song
[02:20] <nikkia> (it also didn't sound like 1967 production quality :)
[02:21] <nikkia> gdh, now, the odd thing is.... you remember when dunlop used Venus in Furs for an ad? i'm pretty sure their version was the same one alice played, but every source says it was the original
[02:21] <gdh> I never really 'got' Lou Reed... I don't understand all the 'genius' of his work
[02:22] <gdh> Maybe he just falls into the same category of 'poets' as Dylan 
[02:22] <nikkia> who am i kidding, everyone remembers THAT ad :P
[02:22] <gdh> yes I remember that ad. very odd.
[02:22] <gdh> and you're right, not exactly 'Daytime Light Hits FM' material
[02:23] <nikkia> yeah...
[02:23] <gdh> Jazz FM in the northwest is now 'Smooth FM', and I have to take my hat off to them ... they've built a winner of a business model... 
[02:24] <gdh> play vacuous, soul-less filler all day , every day.. and put adverts every 10 minutes
[02:24] <gdh> so the music has nothing at all to latch onto... /perfect/ for playing in offices so you don't get distracted from your day job
[02:25] <gdh> I used to love Jazz FM, but it really went down the tubes with this 'smooth jazz' pish
[02:26] <gdh> Yeh if you're going to fill 80% of your show with music, at least credit the music properly :)
[02:26] <nikkia> gdh, he usually does
[02:26] <nikkia> but i think he'd gone on a pee break at that point tonight
[02:27] <nikkia> it was an unusally long segment of music :P
[02:27] <gdh> :) an endearing mental image...
[02:27] <nikkia> gdh, heh
[02:28] <nikkia> gdh, if you totally want to break your mind, try imaging him going for 'the other', complete with makeup on et al
[02:28] <nikkia> imagining, even
[02:29] <nikkia> i have to laugh tho, whenever he comments on axl rose's 'rock n roll lifestyle'
[02:30] <gdh> have never listened to his show, but I do have a strong respect for the guy
[02:30] <gdh> if even only from the stupid segment he did in Wayne's World... :)
[02:30] <nikkia> gdh, oh, me too
[02:31] <nikkia> gdh, he's about the most 'real' of the glam crowd, from what i've seen
[02:31] <nikkia> heh... nice wording from his 'upcoming show info' page
[02:32] <nikkia> 'A triple shot of Yardbirds and Led Zeppelin - to celeberate the 37th anniversary of the breakup of the yardbirds'
[02:32] <gdh> a momentous occasion, for sure :)
[02:32] <nikkia> well, in fairness, Led Zep might not have happened if it hadn't
[02:34] <gdh> I can't say my life would be much different were that the case :|
[02:34] <nikkia> not a LZ fan ?
[02:34] <gdh> Couldn't name a single track, tbh.
[02:35] <gdh> Yes, honestly.
[02:35] <nikkia> i 'heard' the new robert plant album today.... it's... interesting... in a kind of 'madonna releases ray of light' kind of way
[02:35] <gdh> I liked ray of light a lot as a single, but the rest of that album left me rather cold.
[02:36] <nikkia> (actually, it parallels that album very closely...)
[02:36] <gdh> if you do electronica, you need to get the right feel else it ends up sounding too manufactured
[02:36] <nikkia> in that 'rays of sunshine' are a key theme in the album, and there's a lot of semi-dance/techno/electronica stuff mixed in that you woldn't expect and makes you go 'wtf? this is robert plant??'
[02:37] <gdh> Like 'Oh shit I was supposed to have an album finished 2 months ago... let's bang out something in Cubase .. ' ;)
[02:37] <nikkia> heh
[02:37] <nikkia> actually, this is one of those albums that on first listen you go 'wtf?' then you think 'i'd better listen to that again....'
[02:37] <nikkia> and in 10 years time i'll probably think 'that was the best robert plant album, evah!'
[02:38] <sproingie_> ew.  my gf loves all madonna's stuff, with one exception
[02:38] <sproingie_> the whole "ray of light" album
[02:38] <nikkia> heh
[02:39] <gdh> It had a good video - I like time-lapse :)
[02:39] <sproingie_> she has weirdly eclectic tastes
[02:39] <nikkia> its really odd, has anyone else noticed that the music industry has sort of perked up a bit this year?
[02:39] <sproingie_> her four favorite albums are by lori andersen, gustav mahler, lonestar, and green day
[02:40] <sproingie_> sorta runs the whole gamut
[02:40] <nikkia> i mean, in the metal/rock category alone there has been about 10 *really great* releases so far
[02:40] <gdh> I pay no attention to the monkeys behind the curtain :)
[02:41] <sproingie_> i hit 30, i became an old fogie
[02:41] <nikkia> heh, i'm still lying to myself about that threshold
[02:41] <gdh> am 29 next month and am happy to be a curmudgeon
[02:41] <thingy> curmudgeon?
[02:42] <nikkia> my 60 yo mother listens to more 'modern music' than i do, tho
[02:42] <gdh>        n : a crusty irascible cantankerous old person full of stubborn ideas
[02:42] <gdh> thingy: 'miserable old bastard' :)
[02:42] <thingy> oh
[02:42] <nikkia> gdh, see also 'british' :)
[02:42] <gdh> yis :)
[02:42] <thingy> that curmudgeon!
[02:43] <gdh> revelling in the failure of others and the inevitability of chaos =)
[02:43] <nikkia> gdh, yeah, as i said, british...
[02:43] <gdh> yis yis :)
[02:45] <nikkia> oh dear...
[02:45] <nikkia> a mouse with a 'turbo' button
[02:46] <thingy> Knight Rider!!!
[02:46] <gdh> wow, is this 1989 again?
[02:46] <nikkia> 'the dedicated 'turbo' button switches instantly between 800dpi and 1600dpi tracking'
[02:47] <nikkia> if it was wireless i could perhaps understand it, but why would anyone want to run a wired mouse at 800dpi ?
[02:47] <nikkia> (assuming 1600dpi is available, that is)
[02:48] <gdh> assuming 1600 is simply 'report 2 movements for every one real movement' ...
[02:48] <nikkia> still, its a 'case moders' mouse, for sure, it has nice blue LEDs that pulse in a ring around the base of the mouse when you move it
[02:48] <gdh> then you're only getting less accuracy using th e'higher' res
[02:48] <gdh> gentoo -> bin. ricers -> bin.
[02:49] <gdh> anything with a blue LED or neon -> bin.
[02:49] <nikkia> gdh, i was trying to avoid the 'ricers' word, you never know when it might offend
[02:49] <nikkia> like, when i pointed out one to a co-worker, before remembering he's asian
[02:49] <gdh> :) Certainly with cars, the term 'ricer' has extended to mean any small underpowered car, not just eastern imports...
[02:50] <nikkia> (not that he'd ever classify as a ricer, he was a volkswagen, with lots and lots of stuffed toys in it)
[02:50] <nikkia> s/was/has/
[02:50] <gdh> so I take the broader meaning in a similar light - based on goal rather than source 
[02:51] <nikkia> its quite amusing, if you ever ask him about the dozens of hello kitty plushies stuck to the windows, he'll look shifty, and go 'err, they're my wife's'
[02:51] <gdh> haha hello kitty's great =)
[02:52] <nikkia> gdh, yeah, but 30-40 of the pink things lining a car starts to become a bit overpowering
[02:52] <gdh> The Japanese have an inexhaustible talent for making cute nonsense
[02:52] <nikkia> he has expressed interest in a hello cthulu plushie for his gear stick tho
[02:53] <gdh> not something I'm familiar with, but as always - google has provided :)
[02:53] <gdh> haha :)
[02:54] <gdh> very funny :)
[02:55] <nikkia> anyway, spose i ought to go to bed
[02:55] <gdh> was thinking that...
[02:56] <nikkia> i don't really NEED to be up tomorrow
[02:56] <gdh> will have some cereal, then retire to the drawing room with a smoking jacket a cigar and some brandy ;)
[02:56] <nikkia> but i just know i'll get up at 10:30, after missing the postie delivering my dvds
[02:56] <thingy> speaking about japanese, do you guys know about this: http://outpostnine.com/editorials/teacher.html
[02:56] <thingy> its a hillarious read
[02:56] <nikkia> and then have to break my back carrying them from the parcel office 5 minutes down the road...
[02:56] <gdh> I must be getting old - I was looking forward to having a herb chopper delivered :)
[02:57] <nikkia> gdh, ahhh, these are 'old people's dvds tho
[02:57] <nikkia> complete comic strip presents
[02:57] <gdh> Bad News et al? :)
[02:57] <nikkia> yeah, all 39 episodes, or whatever it was, on *9* discs
[02:57] <gdh> yay! telly out the hotel window! :)
[02:57] <gdh> that's one heck of a collection
[02:57] <nikkia> indeed
[02:58] <nikkia> saw it a couple of months ago, so preordered it
[02:58] <gdh> I think my favourite bit was when the drummer pulled up in a taxi, full kit banging away in the back =)
[02:58] <nikkia> heh, yeah
[02:58] <gdh> right.. to bed.. nn =)
[02:59] <nikkia> yeah, same here, night
[04:20] <penguinboy> evening, guys and gals
[04:42] <unome> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[04:42] <unome> anyone?
[05:23] <Furic> Can i change my username without totally messing up everything?
[05:26] <PenguinBoy> evening!
[05:28] <monchy> hey penguin long time no see lol
[05:28] <PenguinBoy> quiet night?
[05:28] <PenguinBoy> hey hey hey monchmeister!
[05:28] <monchy> last time i saw you, your wife was calling
[05:28] <monchy> must of wore you out :P
[05:28] <PenguinBoy> LOL
[05:28] <PenguinBoy> lol
[05:28] <PenguinBoy> I have been studying 
[05:29] <monchy> for?
[05:29] <PenguinBoy> i am takign a graduate class this summer
[05:29] <PenguinBoy> at Western Kentucky University
[05:29] <PenguinBoy> hey hey hey duende
[05:29] <duende> hey penguinboy
[05:30] <monchy> spamncheese died btw lol
[05:30] <`crimsun> Furic, it's tricky
[05:30] <PenguinBoy> why???????
[05:30] <PenguinBoy> i bet it ws the name spam
[05:30] <monchy> liz4rd is gone @_@
[05:30] <monchy> so no ops in there
[05:30] <PenguinBoy> where to?
[05:30] <Furic> Hmm...
[05:30] <monchy> dunno, he just vanished
[05:31] <Furic> It seems like every 6 months or so i become descusted by my nick and change it, now im running a system stable enough to last that long its become a hassle :P
[05:31] <duende> lol
[05:32] <duende> i've had this nickname for like 8 years
[05:32] <monchy> just be Ciruf
[05:33] <PenguinBoy> does ttansgress no where he is?
[05:33] <Furic> Well my tames usually have some relevence to something i do, even this one does, and in the normal teenager fashion im a totally different person multiple times a year :P
[05:33] <Furic> *name
[05:33] <Furic> +s
[05:33] <Furic> damn keyboard.
[05:34] <monchy> dunno penguin, haven't seen him either lol
[05:35] <PenguinBoy> he is in #irclikelife
[05:42] <armer> k, this is kindof a silly question, by my clock insists on displaying date in 24hr format, any way I can get it to switch back to 12?
[07:54] <martinjh99> Morning guys!  How do I set default margins on the printer?
[07:56] <martinjh99> How do I set default margins on the printer?
[10:03] <mariano> Hi, I intended to give kubuntu a shot, but got this:
[10:03] <mariano> mkamp@romeo:/proc$ sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop kubuntu-default-settings
[10:03] <mariano> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:03] <mariano> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:03] <mariano> mkamp@romeo:/proc$ sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop kubuntu-default-settings
[10:03] <mariano> Reading package lists... Done
[10:03] <mariano> Building dependency tree... Done
[10:03] <mariano> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[10:04] <mariano> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[10:04] <mariano> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[10:04] <mariano> or been moved out of Incoming.
[10:04] <mariano> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[10:04] <mariano> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:04] <mariano>   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: konversation but it is not going to be installed
[10:04] <mariano> E: Broken packages
[10:04] <mariano> mkamp@romeo:/proc$
[10:04] <mariano> Any idea?
[10:40] <Borg^Queen> Hey people I have an odd problem with kde 3.4
[10:40] <Borg^Queen> I'm using the media storage applet in 3.4 
[10:40] <Borg^Queen> When I choose open in new tab, it goes to media:/hdb4, for the zip drive
[10:40] <Borg^Queen> however I can only view the content when I go to /media/hdb4/
[10:44] <Borg^Queen> Hello?
[11:09] <cloud> hi to all
[11:09] <cloud> good day
[11:09] <nikkia> morning cloud
[11:10] <cloud> oh nikkia :D
[11:10] <cloud> you know how to start bittorrent? i just installed the .deb pkg but i don't know how to run it..
[11:10] <nikkia> i use azureus, sorry
[11:13] <nikkia> i assume, tho, that you just run 'bittorrent  some.torrent.file' thoi
[11:13] <nikkia> tho
[11:14] <qos> is there somebody who can help me installing a bootsplash?
[11:14] <cloud> no nikkia..it's not so simple...command bittorrent doesn't exist
[11:15] <nikkia> apt-file can't help?
[11:15] <nikkia> its not 'btdownload' is it ?
[11:15] <buz> apt-get install bittorrent
[11:16] <buz> apt-get install bittorrent-gui
[11:16] <buz> then btdownload-gui
[11:16] <buz> uhm btdownloadgui it is
[11:26] <cloud> no guys
[11:26] <cloud> it was the first thing i did
[11:26] <cloud> :D
[12:06] <McScruff> lo
[12:13] <am> lo
[12:57] <manchine> intersting. throughout the installation process i haven't been asked to supply a root pw... i wonder what it might be :)
[12:59] <manchine> mmm.... got the answer in the faq. sorry 
[01:01] <manchine> actually, sudo passwd does nothing
[01:02] <Kamping_Kaise1> whta?
[01:02] <claydoh> try "sudo passwd root"
[01:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> betterer :D
[01:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> why enable root at all?
[01:03] <claydoh> better control, personal preference
[01:03] <manchine> manchine@manchine:~$ sudo passwd root
[01:03] <manchine> Password:
[01:03] <manchine> Sorry, try again.
[01:03] <manchine> Password:
[01:03] <manchine> sudo: 1 incorrect password attempt
[01:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, I'll pay personal pref. as a reason :D not sure about better controll :S
[01:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's your passwd
[01:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> the next one is roots
[01:04] <manchine> i see
[01:04] <manchine> Kamping_Kaiser, claydoh thanks 
[01:05] <claydoh> better control over security rather
[01:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> now worries manchine, have fun
[01:37] <_neo> tach auch
[01:40] <manchine> alsaconf is not available at all?
[01:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[01:43] <wincide> i need sources please !!
[01:43] <wincide> the sources i have are for ubuntu, not kubuntu !! :\
[01:45] <manchine> Kamping_Kaiser: i'm wondering how i'll config my sb live then
[01:45] <manchine> the lineout chan is not working
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> wincide, same sources
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> there's only 1 or 2 extras for Kubuntu
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> manchine, using the konsole, and i cant help there, if sound doest work i don't try and fix it ;)
[01:46] <wincide> shit!, but i have many problems to update the packages
[01:46] <wincide> :(
[01:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> wincide, what problems?
[01:47] <wincide> Kamping_Kaiser: one moment please..
[01:49] <wincide> Kamping_Kaiser: these are my sources http://tronfi.bitacoras.com/cosillas/sources.list
[01:50] <wincide> i think were made for ubuntu, not for kubuntu
[01:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> they look fine
[01:51] <wincide> but i have problems like this 
[01:51] <wincide> Err ftp://ftp2.caliu.info hoary-backports Release.gpg
[01:51] <wincide>   No pude conectarme a ftp2.caliu.info:21 (147.83.29.16), expir tiempo para conexin
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> comment out everything from here down:
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> ## ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ##
[01:53] <wincide> id like to install amule-utils but sources cant
[01:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you can find a deb use that
[01:58] <pointwood> hrm...I think i downloaded the wrong iso
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you have Gnome?
[01:59] <pointwood> at least, I thought I installed using the kubuntu install iso, but I ended up with a gnome install :)
[01:59] <Brydenn[WU] > i know this isway off topic and the wrong channel but... does anyone know a place where they serve .flac files?
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:59] <Brydenn[WU] > ;)
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> nope sorry WU :)
[02:00] <Brydenn[WU] > hehe thanks Kamping_Kaiser
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> pointwood, just instlall KDE
[02:00] <pointwood> and I have no kde here
[02:00] <pointwood> do the kubuntu install gnome?
[02:00] <Brydenn[WU] > speaking of music... whats one of the "better" audio ripping programs for linux?
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> pointwood do you have fast internet access
[02:00] <pointwood> Brydenn[WU] , I've used grip
[02:00] <pointwood> Kamping_Kaiser, 2Mbit :)
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get install Kubuntu-desktop && apt-get remove Ubuntu-desktop ;)
[02:01] <pointwood> now I'm downloading the iso from http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> that should be right then
[02:01] <wincide> do someone knows about a kubuntu manual in spanish ??
[02:02] <Brydenn[WU] > ok i cant use GRIP... i just saw some screens of it... its ugly haha
[02:02] <Brydenn[WU] > and its a gnome progy ;)
[02:02] <pointwood> I downloaded from http://releases.ubuntulinux.org/kubuntu/hoary/ last
[02:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> brydenn, you noticed ;)
[02:02] <pointwood> yeah, it's not a beauty :)
[02:02] <pointwood> but it worked fine for me :)
[02:02] <Brydenn[WU] > lol yes Kamping_Kaiser
[02:03] <Brydenn[WU] > i've been using Easy CD-DA Extractor for windows
[02:03] <pointwood> not sure whether there is a similar kde app :(
[02:03] <Brydenn[WU] > and it works pretty nice
[02:03] <Brydenn[WU] > but i'd like something similar to that in linux
[02:03] <shogouki> kaudiocreator
[02:03] <Brydenn[WU] > i'll check it out shogouki
[02:06] <pointwood> my line hasn't been upgraded yet
[02:06] <pointwood> I could have used that now :)
[02:06] <pointwood> should be upgraded to 6Mbit 
[02:06] <pointwood> at some point...
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> bastard :P
[02:07] <pointwood> :D
[02:07] <pointwood> free upgrade from my ISP
[02:07] <pointwood> from 2048/512 to 6144/768 :)
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:08] <pointwood> hehe
[02:09] <pointwood> should I continue? ;)
[02:09] <qos> hey guys, how can i make sure that kopete ONLY uses eth0 for any traffic?
[02:10] <qos> or how can i make sure that firefox ONLY uses eth0 for any traffic?
[02:10] <pointwood> that is lousy dsl, the local power company will decide this month whether they'll be digging down fiber here...if they do, that means cheap 10/10Mbit lines :)
[02:10] <_ale> Hi to everyone.. can somebody help me with apache configuration?
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> hahaha
[02:11] <pointwood> bwahahaha :p
[02:12] <Brydenn[WU] > hey speaking of firefox
[02:12] <Brydenn[WU] > whats that damn bug it has
[02:12] <Brydenn[WU] > you have to do some sort of workaround to show the right version
[02:12] <Brydenn[WU] > anyone got a link to that work around?
[02:14] <pointwood> nope, but it is in the bug report
[02:14] <pointwood> IIRC
[02:14] <Brydenn[WU] > :(
[02:14] <Brydenn[WU] > i hate bugs
[02:14] <Brydenn[WU] > lol
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's an "overdocumented feature"
[02:15] <qos> Brydenn ... visit about:config with Firefox
[02:16] <qos> and search the property "vendor" or "subvendor"
[02:16] <qos> change it to "1.0.4" and restart firefox
[02:16] <Brydenn[WU] > tx 
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> it wont always work IIRC
[02:44] <pointwood> time to try again :D
[02:46] <Brydenn[WU] > lol
[02:46] <Brydenn[WU] > www.asseenontvmusic.com  <--- great site when you're running low on ideas for downloading music hahaha
[02:47] <Brydenn[WU] > i love those commercials you see late on tv
[02:47] <Brydenn[WU] > "slow jams" hahaha i'll download them instead of paying 29.99 thanks heh
[02:58] <Blue_Star> Quick question - What package do I need to install to solve this error message? :S
[02:58] <Blue_Star> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2)
[02:58] <Blue_Star> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
[02:58] <Blue_Star> I got it while trying to install JRE :/
[03:02] <bjtaken> when i configure konsole i have only 6 fonts to chose? how can i get more?
[03:04] <Blissex> Blue_Star: Ubuntu does not support RPM installs
[03:04] <Blue_Star> That explains a lot then :) Ta Bliss
[03:05] <Blissex> Blue_Star: look at the Wiki for the supported procedures for installing Java
[03:05] <Blissex> bjtaken: install more constant width font packages...
[03:12] <Blue_Star> Blissex: Looking at method 1a at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java?highlight=%28java%29, do I need to add all three or just hoary java & universe?
[03:13] <Blissex> Blue_Star: it should work just adding 'deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java multiverse'
[03:13] <Blissex> oops
[03:14] <Blue_Star> :)
[03:14] <Blissex> Blue_Star: it should work just adding 'deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java' and 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary multiverse'
[03:14] <Blue_Star> *goes off to edit sources.list* Ta Bliss :)
[03:38] <dabugas> hi
[03:40] <dabugas> i switched from xfree to xorg and kxkb stop working. instead of the little indicator flag i get an err(or). any ideas?
[03:48] <dabugas> shall i ask again?
[04:10] <McScruff> has anyone here compiled cvs of amsn?
[04:48] <Blue_Star> Question - How can I load the atiixp module of ALSA? o_O
[04:54] <ztonzy> hmm
[04:55] <ztonzy> anyone tried Gmail with Konqueror? and why doesn't all functions work with it ?
[04:56] <ztonzy> Konqueror feels hell a lot faster to browse with than Firefox
[04:56] <Peaker> and its much nicer to be able to access all the IO support of KDE and all the various parts :)
[04:57] <Peaker> the KDE File browser is a bit lame though (not that the Firefox one is even usable, but compared to explorer.exe)
[04:57] <ztonzy> ah yes
[04:57] <nikkia> peaker, you mean the open/save dialogs?
[04:58] <Peaker> nikkia: Nah, that one is better than Windows' (although it does not let you do anything in it), I mean the browser itself
[04:59] <nikkia> peaker, hmmm, the only complaint i have about konqueror as a file browser, is the terrible way selection and dragging files works
[04:59] <Peaker> nikkia: When you try to shift+select then the first one you go through is left unselected, you try to select it and everything goes funky.. If you try to just mark a "square" around some files, then its all confused
[04:59] <nikkia> peaker, yeah, that :P
[04:59] <Peaker> yes, selection is horrible
[04:59] <nikkia> peaker, the drag to copy/move is horrible too
[04:59] <Peaker> something that's wrong with _all_ file browsers is that they make you go through the pain of re-finding paths in every file browser you open, instead of showing a history of directories in an accessible way
[05:00] <Peaker> so.. how do I dist-upgrade into kubuntu from Debian unstable?
[05:00] <nikkia> peaker, probably easier to just install from scratch, tbh
[05:01] <McScruff> has anyone here compiled cvs of amsn?
[05:01] <Peaker> nikkia: That's silly, losing all my files and such :P
[05:02] <nikkia> peaker, well, you can try dist-upgrade'ing, but given that there are some fairly major differences, i wouldn't rely on it working
[05:02] <nikkia> and maybe when it breaks, you'll think about keeping /home on a seperate partition next time :P
[05:04] <Peaker> that would be a silly waste of space
[05:06] <gdh> Keeping system seperate from data is silly?
[05:07] <Peaker> doing that while wasting space is
[05:07] <gdh> disk is cheap <shrug>
[05:07] <Peaker> proper separation in software instead of hardware is cheaper
[05:08] <Peaker> separation such as different directories is fine
[05:11] <dwmurphy> where is the best place to post about issues with the install cds? been having a couple problems
[05:32] <mart> hi
[05:32] <mart> can anyone say which package has /usr/lib/libkateinterfaces.so
[05:36] <lippel|afk> mart: kdebase-dev
[05:38] <mart> lippel|afk: thanks, I've also just found that apt-file now works :)
[05:44] <nikkia> hmmm
[05:48] <armer> hey all, my wifi card is only working when I enable the 'irqpoll' option at boot time
[05:48] <armer> it complains of irq #9: nobody cared
[05:48] <armer> and disabling irq #9
[05:48] <armer> anyone have a permanent solution for this?
[06:17] <Mulehunter> hello!
[06:18] <Mulehunter> anyone here can help me?
[06:19] <Mulehunter> i downloaded the kubuntu install iso... but i dont know what to do with it... i mean i dont know wether i have to extract the files 
[06:19] <Mulehunter> or just leave them in the general folder
[06:19] <mart> Mulehunter: you just burn the iso :)
[06:20] <Mulehunter> but its a rar file...and inside there is lots of stufd
[06:21] <Mulehunter> do you mean the isolinux BIN file?
[06:21] <mart> a rar? it's not the official iso you've downloaded then...
[06:21] <Mulehunter> it must be! i got it off the site
[06:21] <Mulehunter> where do you get the iso?
[06:21] <mart> ok. I didn't know they did rars
[06:22] <Mulehunter> (i mean i got the bit torrent and it came out as a rar)
[06:22] <mart> ah, ok. never tried, bittorrent doesn't work here
[06:22] <mart> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[06:22] <mart> it is hoary you want?
[06:23] <Mulehunter> kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso.torrent this is the one i got
[06:23] <Mulehunter> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso.torrent
[06:24] <mart> mmm, ok.  how big is the isolinux bin file?
[06:24] <Mulehunter> oh my .... i figured out
[06:24] <Mulehunter> it is an iso file!!!!
[06:24] <Mulehunter> but win rar classifies it as a rar....
[06:24] <Mulehunter> stupid stupid me
[06:25] <Mulehunter> sorry =0
[06:25] <mart> heh, better get that install done asap, by the sound of it :)
[06:25] <Mulehunter> yeah...as terminator says....ill be back
[06:25] <Mulehunter> thank you!
[07:14] <penguinboy> good afternoon guys and gals
[07:24] <penguinboy> hey hey hey monchmeister
[07:25] <monchy> hey penguin
[07:25] <monchy> your here already? what happened to the saturday romp lol
[07:29] <penguinboy> that was hours ago
[07:29] <penguinboy> lol
[07:29] <_thomas> hello
[07:30] <_thomas> where can I get k3b 0.12 ?
[07:30] <monchy> hours? what f'n time is it there
[07:31] <penguinboy> 1:30
[07:32] <monchy> still in the AM here
[07:32] <penguinboy> thomas i would ask in #k3b
[07:32] <penguinboy> they would know
[07:33] <penguinboy> i still have 0.11.something
[07:33] <monchy> don't think the new release has been backported yet
[07:35] <_thomas> thank you
[07:35] <penguinboy> you are most welcome
[07:53] <chx> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". <= this is the message I got despite I have some DRI in xorg.conf
[07:53] <chx> I have Nvidia motherboard graphics
[07:54] <`crimsun> did you execute nvidia-glx-config enable?
[07:54] <`crimsun> (as noted on wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto)
[07:55] <monchy> hey penguin you got rid of all your desktop icons
[07:55] <chx> you man, I need nvidia binary drivers?
[07:55] <chx> you mean, I need nvidia binary drivers?
[07:55] <chx> that's news :)
[07:56] <`crimsun> well, if you use Nvidia graphics hardware and want hardware-accelerated 3d, then yes...
[07:56] <chx> so, I apt-get install nvidia-glx
[07:56] <chx> and then?
[07:56] <penguinboy> no monchy....i sortas like them LOL
[07:56] <tilix> anyone from the main Kubuntu developers here?
[07:57] <penguinboy> there never is
[07:57] <monchy> oh is that screenshot on liz4rds file thing old?
[07:57] <penguinboy> which one
[07:58] <`crimsun> Chameleon22, just follow the directions on that wiki page I gave you
[07:58] <`crimsun> err
[07:58] <`crimsun> Chameleon22, sorry
[07:58] <`crimsun> chx, ^
[07:58] <chx> oh
[07:58] <chx> sorry
[07:58] <chx> will try, I just have apt-get upgrade running :)
[07:59] <penguinboy> monchmeister....yeah...that is my new screenshot....the tiger...I am into asian themse att he monment
[08:05] <McScruff> lo
[08:05] <McScruff> has anyone here compiled amsn from cvs?
[08:19] <berkes> hey there. I just heard kubuntu now ships with 3.4.1, correct?
[08:28] <accj> essd
[08:28] <gdh> berkes: No. 3.4.1 is available for Kubuntu 5.04, though. see the topic...
[08:29] <berkes> gdh: sorry. i did not read the topic thoroughly :)
[08:29] <gdh> =)
[08:35] <berkes> anyone here using kio-clucene?
[08:36] <berkes> it looks like it will really rock, but its not available for kubuntu it seems
[08:53] <hph> hi
[09:00] <ku4ve> crimsun: howdy :)
[09:01] <tn> Hey! Great distribution everyone... just installed. And ran Konversation :-)
[09:01] <tn> Creds!
[09:02] <mart> tn: thank #kubuntu-devel :)
[09:05] <ku4ve> just installed kubuntu on a spare box...nice ! really nice !
[09:07] <tn> I only had some some trouble with the graphical installer.. had to run with linux vga=771
[09:10] <tn> how do I install koffice 1.4?
[09:10] <buz> go to http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice-14.php 
[09:10] <buz> and add "deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice14 hoary-updates main" to /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:11] <tn> that did'nt install it     ... hehehe..... no but seriously... I don't get how to download
[09:11] <buz> then run
[09:11] <buz> sudo apt-get update
[09:11] <buz> sudo apt-get install koffice
[09:12] <tn> Ahh ok... actually that's what I'm doing right now... just thought that was not the kubuntu way..
[09:12] <tn> But yeah.. apt-get is nice
[09:12] <buz> mhh you can use kynaptic
[09:12] <buz> or whatever there is these days for kde
[09:13] <buz> (personally, i stick to synaptic even though i dont like gnome)
[09:21] <buz> is there a way to have kmail use seperate folders for each account?
[09:22] <buz> i'm trying to get away from thunderbird as it gets slower and slower
[09:22] <gabi> hello
[09:22] <gabi> does anyone of you know a good repository for kubuntu?
[09:23] <buz> for what
[09:23] <gabi> for fresh software
[09:23] <buz> search in the wiki for universe and multiverse for the most important ones
[09:23] <buz> kubuntu generally only gets security fixes between major releases
[09:25] <buz> so the fresh software part is somewhat impaired
[09:25] <buz> but check the topic for kde and koffice
[09:25] <gabi> i have installed firefox from ubuntu's repository, but it is firefox 1.02 which is quite old
[09:25] <buz> actually, its not really
[09:25] <closure> kubuntu is cooler than you!
[09:25] <buz> it's been updated to reflect security issues
[09:26] <gabi> ok,thanks for helping
[09:36] <closure> hey guys what's libruby? and ruby?
[09:37] <mindy> tu quelqu'un qui parle en francais ici???
[09:47] <mart> closure: it's a scripting language
[10:11] <buz> where to go for kmail questions?
[10:15] <mart> buz: kde lists, I think
[10:15] <buz> i've found #kontact
[10:15] <buz> someone even answers ;)
[10:15] <mart> even better :)
[10:16] <_thiago> hi
[10:35] <nikkia> anyone around that can help me with a /etc/network/interfaces issue ?
[10:36] <kozz> easier to just ask the question
[10:37] <nikkia> kozz, ok, but its not an easy one.... if i let dhcp assign eth0's IP address, eth0 gets assigned a IPv6 link-local address, but I can't use dhcp on my gateway machine, and if I define eth0 with a static address, then no link local address gets assigned, using 'up' to add a rule to add a static link local address to eth0 doesn't work, and it fails to bring up eth0 completely...
[10:38] <nikkia> having to ssh in to ipconfig eth0 add .... before starting radvd is a PITA, and i want it to bring up eth0 with the link local address (either the static link-local i'm using, or (better) one that is auto-generated from my MAC like the ones dhcp'ing the interface generates)
[10:39] <nikkia> at first, i though defining a second inet6 stanza for eth0 would do it, but no, it doesn't :/
[10:44] <kozz> ok, doesn't use IPv6 so :)
[11:20] <valantine> hi
[11:21] <valantine> where are you from? i'm from italy and i have got kubuntu 5.04
[11:22] <reuben> hi, i'm from england
[11:24] <valantine> ok reuben thanks but in this moment  i have problem for seek my channel whit this software konversation azzurra.net
[11:24] <valantine> i use xchat with mandriva
[11:24] <valantine> but this kubuntu it's good
[11:24] <reuben> have you tried looking for help in #konversation or #kde?
[11:25] <reuben> valantine: don't forget you can sudo apt-get install xchat afaik
[11:27] <McScruff> lo
[11:27] <valantine> reuben thanks in madriva i use rpm,   here apt-get  but do i from shell? or there is interface graphical for installation, sorry my inglish!
[11:27] <reuben> kynaptic should be install valantine
[11:27] <reuben> otherwise do it from the shell
[11:27] <McScruff> goto K menu - system - symptec package manager
[11:27] <valantine> ok  now i do it thanks 
[11:27] <McScruff> then search it
[11:28] <valantine> yes
[11:34] <nmorse> anyone know a good place to get old non-DDR SDRAM cheap?
[11:35] <nmorse> A 256 MB PC133 stick costs more than a 512MB DDR stick these days
[11:35] <opi> DIMM SDRAM?
[11:36] <nmorse> Yeah
[11:36] <opi> I have few spare
[11:36] <nmorse> 168-pin
[11:36] <nmorse> I need some with a warranty
[11:36] <opi> oh, than I have none :-)
[11:36] <nmorse> I'm building a mini-itx server on the cheap
[11:36] <buz> mini itx uses ddr
[11:36] <buz> mine do for sure
[11:37] <opi> it not depend on factor
[11:37] <nmorse> some of them do, but not the cheaper "classic" boards
[11:37] <opi> rather chipset ;)
[11:37] <buz> mhh i thought all did
[11:37] <nmorse> VIA EPIA 5000 or 800 is what I'm looking at
[11:37] <buz> what chipset is on the classic board
[11:37] <opi> ie. Pegasos 1 had DIMM SDRAM
[11:37] <buz> btw, socket a with sempron is cheaper
[11:38] <buz> but needs more power, too
[11:38] <nmorse> I'm just trying to build a mini-cluster for extremely reliable serving
[11:38] <nmorse> It'll do local files, http, email, etc.
[11:38] <buz> i havent found the mini itx to be particularly reliabl
[11:39] <buz> e
[11:39] <nmorse> But they're cheap
[11:39] <nmorse> and small and quiet
[11:39] <buz> the passive ones are quiet
[11:39] <opi> buz: I have Pegasos2 G4/1000
[11:39] <buz> the non passive ones are whiny suckers
[11:39] <opi> buz: it's running all day and night as my small server
[11:39] <buz> is that like generic  ppc?
[11:40] <nmorse> Bah, I've had it with PPC
[11:40] <opi> It's a PowerPC board with OpenFirmware
[11:40] <buz> only ppc i'd touch is Power5
[11:40] <buz> and thats neither small nor silent nor cheap
[11:41] <nmorse> Pegasos isn't cheap
[11:42] <buz> then again, my whole family uses macs
[11:42] <opi> it's $499 now
[11:42] <buz> can get a mac mini for that
[11:42] <buz> faster too
[11:42] <nmorse> Mac Mini's are nice
[11:42] <opi> Apple hardware is closed
[11:42] <buz> runs linux easily
[11:42] <nmorse> There's one sitting on another desk in the other room
[11:42] <nmorse> Along with 2 iMacs
[11:42] <nmorse> Just two PC's and laptop other than that
[11:42] <buz> i just dont like osx too much
[11:42] <nmorse> My server just died and the old one sounds like a jet engine (and makes a good AC)
[11:43] <buz> i suppose the mini could make a fileserver together with some bigass usb drives
[11:43] <buz> it's pretty quiet too
[11:43] <buz> silent it is not, but quiet
[11:44] <nmorse> The Mac Mini would probably be a great server if you could get the thing apart without breaking all the little clips
[11:44] <valantine> reuben  thank you for  help , helho friends from england , bye from italy
[11:44] <buz> as i say, usb drives
[11:44] <nmorse> Too much work and no capability for RAID come to think of it
[11:45] <buz> then there are also cheap NAS boxes these days
[11:45] <buz> mac can do software raid IIRC
[11:45] <nmorse> Not inside the Mini you can't
[11:45] <buz> inside, not.
[11:45] <buz> externally, probably
[11:46] <nmorse> Good luck with external RAID (god, that sounds like a real pain)
[11:46] <nmorse> And the latency would be horrible for a fileserver
[11:47] <buz> mhh usb2 aint so bad
[11:47] <buz> faster than the 100mbit in the mini for sure
[11:47] <buz> but i'd only do it if you have an otherwise unused mini laying around
[11:47] <buz> else i'd go for sempron board or perhaps mini itx
[11:47] <buz> but beware, mini itx is FUCKING slow
[11:49] <buz> the 1ghz c3 can't even decode dvd by itself
[11:53] <nmorse> Yeah, I know how slow mini itx from VIA can be
[11:53] <nmorse> But nothing I'm doing is particularly CPU limited
[11:54] <nmorse> Though a sempron board is something I should look at
[11:54] <opi> wow
[11:55] <opi> I haven't seen South Park The Movie for some time :-)
[11:55] <sunldn> hello all
[11:55] <opi> man, this film is just *super* ;-))
[11:55] <sunldn> please help me to join Kubuntu to a printer in WinXp Workgroup.
[11:56] <sunldn> i can see only ShareDocs in XP workgroup, but not printer.
[11:57] <opi> sorry, I have no experience with Linux printing
[11:57] <opi> I never got printer :-)
[11:57] <sunldn> opi
[11:58] <sunldn> never had printer !
[11:58] <sunldn> :)
[11:58] <opi> no, really
[11:58] <opi> well, we have one in the office
[11:58] <sunldn> anyone had printes please help.
[11:58] <opi> but I prefer electronic way of storing text ;)
[11:58] <ecadre> I've got a printer
[11:59] <ecadre> but not XP  :-P
[11:59] <sunldn> hahaha
[11:59] <nmorse> Never shared one through a Windows Workgroup but I know how to use a straight-up network printer
[11:59] <sunldn> it is getting nowhere.
[11:59] <ecadre> sorry, can't help really
[11:59] <nmorse> Can it hook directly to the network?
[11:59] <sunldn> no
[11:59] <nmorse> Try #samba probably
[12:00] <sunldn> it hooked to a XP machine.
[12:00] <sunldn> i shared it already
[12:00] <sunldn> and i can see ShareDocs in XP
[12:00] <sunldn> also Xp Machines
[12:00] <sunldn> but no printer
[12:00] <sunldn> samba?
[12:01] <sunldn> a channel?
[12:01] <ecadre> #samba is probably best
[12:02] <sunldn> thanks