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[12:43] Haha [12:43] (of course, I think this is a bad idea, but whatever.) === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.160.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mrzero [~ole@orwen.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ds_ [~ds@dsl081-053-082.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] hrm... how does one get apache to return a TTL for stupid squid proxies to tell them not to cache things like Pacakges.gz and Release for more than say, 30 minutes? [01:34] lamont: vi /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz +/No-Cache ? [01:36] dato: thanks muchly [01:39] lamont: ping [01:39] tseng: ack [01:39] lamont: dude, i could use some buildd mono love if you have time [01:39] lamont: it needs a one-off bootstrap [01:39] aka, its its own build-dep and we moved packages around [01:40] lamont: should i mail you/infinity? [01:40] <_Legion_> I got a question about cairo-0.5 in breazy, could I use this channel? [01:41] tseng: thanks for reminding me that mano is a pain... :-) [01:41] go ahead and fire email at me/infinity and one of us will get to it... [01:41] lamont: i head you were just starting to forget :) [01:41] heard [01:41] I might do it in the next few hours, family permitting, then I'll be offline for ~36 hours [01:42] yeah ill be away a bit this weekend too [01:42] ill try to get a mail out tonight with instructions === ds_ [~ds@dsl081-053-082.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [01:48] <_Legion_> Where could I fill a bug on a breazy package? [01:48] <_Legion_> sorry, breezy [01:49] Epiphany still sucks at printing. =( === Firetech [~Firetech@h53n1fls301o1100.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dato [~adeodato@dato.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [~ealden@219.90.91.60] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc_ [~ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:35] gar, where's seb128 when you need him? [02:35] pressing ctrl+shift results in a sticky keys alert === mrzero [~ole@orwen.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-117.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [~slomo@p5487E873.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-67-174-81-195.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfvt [~sfvt@pool-64-222-117-63.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [~stub@203-217-37-199.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [~ealden@219.90.91.60] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mae [~mae@dpc674653178.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gorth [~Gorth@cpe.atm2-0-51110.0x50a4d38e.abnxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob [~jcape@c-24-14-115-101.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [~stub@203-217-37-199.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob [~jcape@c-24-14-115-101.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-67-174-81-195.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gorth [~Gorth@cpe.atm2-0-51110.0x50a4d38e.abnxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Saba_Z [~reza@81.31.166.231] has joined #ubuntu-devel === retrix [~sam@ppp225-190.lns3.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:04] hi all [08:19] Hi, no matter what I try, I can't seem to get libglade to recognize my handler i keep getting "libglade-WARNING **: could not find signal handler" I compile wth : gcc `pkg-config --libs --cflags gtk+-2.0 libglade-2.0` [08:23] = new [08:23] this is the source : http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=6980 === mitsuhiko [~mitsuhiko@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vedran [~konversat@se400.pppoe530.bih.net.ba] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Safari_Al [~tr@ppp237-212.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:38] mae: looked at some workign examples to check yoru prototype is correct etc ? [08:40] ya its correct [08:54] smurfix, around? [08:54] mdke: yo [08:54] smurfix, man you are the best highlight responder around [08:55] heh [08:55] so wht's up? [08:55] other than me typing badly [08:55] smurfix, -it has got some questions about hosting [08:55] i can email if you prefer [08:55] please do that [08:56] smurfix, the reason I came in here is that I forgot your address [08:56] but i've found it now === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:56] :-) [08:57] smurfix, you don't use an ubuntu one? just the noris one? === vuntz [~vuntz@fennas.vuntz.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] smurfix, ok i mailed it to noris [09:03] mdke: I haven't yet asked anybody to set up an ubuntu address, so yeah, for now use @smurf.noris.de [09:03] smurfix, i'm gonna be out for the whole of today so no need to answer particularly quickly === ealden [~ealden@219.90.91.60] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martink [~martin@p54B38C45.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:45] Good morning === icaro [~icaro@adsl-ull-212-19.44-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hughsie [~hughsie@host81-153-4-192.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tfheen [~tfheen@host-81-191-115-46.bluecom.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [~mdz@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gbon121 [~chatzilla@d81-211-189-67.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lionel_ [~lionel@atlas.bde.inp-toulouse.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [~mark@sabdfl.silver.supporter.pdpc] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === bytee_ [~byte@60.48.85.90] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] <\sh> jdub: ping [10:41] bytee_: where the speaker at the fudcon panel? [10:41] Lathiat: where the speaker? eh? [10:41] were [10:41] ignore my engrish skills :P [10:42] i didn't speak at FUDCon II, no. i was busy in melbourne sitting for an exam ;-) [10:42] i attended the private conf call though [10:42] ah i was just wondering if you were doing the speaking of the panel stuff cus it sounded like you on the videos :) [10:42] we have videos for FUDCon II? [10:43] Lathiat: if its FUDCon I, yes, i spoke at the panel. it was my summary [10:43] i dunno i just found some torrents on the topic of some fedora channel :) [10:43] ah, right, then, thats me [10:43] cool === tfheen_ [~tfheen@host-81-191-115-46.bluecom.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === retrix [~sam@ppp225-190.lns3.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === retrix [~sam@ppp225-190.lns3.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@59.95.2.15] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [~JaneW@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bytee_ is now known as byte2 === bytee is now known as bytee_ === byte2 is now known as bytee === tvo [~tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem [~mbanck@proxy-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zeedo [~zeedo@www.reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-079-072.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [shackan@host213-79.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-12-130.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] Hi shackan === Safari_Al [~tr@ppp240-106.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-12-130.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] Hi seb128 [12:37] hey pitti [12:37] elmo: here? [12:38] pitti: have you read the comments about colony 2, one guy has GNOME hanging on startup, probably this esound issue [12:38] no, I didn't see that [12:38] odd thing [12:39] the bug I pointed yesterday [12:39] 3 guys already bugged about that this week [12:39] ok, I'll try to triage it today [12:40] thanks [12:40] grumpf [12:40] 17 mails on the GNOME ftp-list [12:40] packaging day I guess :p [12:40] seb128: does that happen for you, too? [12:40] no :/ [12:40] seb128: it's saturday!!! :) [12:41] seb128: yo! something was broken earlier [12:41] seb128: oh yeah [12:41] 01:35 < daniels> gar, where's seb128 when you need him? [12:41] 01:35 < daniels> pressing ctrl+shift results in a sticky keys alert [12:41] daniels: hmmm? [12:41] where? [12:41] tseng: neither of nvidia or ati support dlloader at the moment, to my knowledge [12:42] daniels: no updated related to that for weeks ... [12:42] pitti: if I press Ctrl+Shift, I get a popup window saying 'oh my god dude, you just tried to activate sticky keys' [12:42] and works fine here [12:42] of course, I've done some seriously strange things to XKB over the life of this server [12:42] seb128, who is the developer of sound-juicer? [12:42] so it might just be that I need to restart [12:42] HiddenWolf: ross [12:43] root 30132 0.6 6.4 84900 65804 ? S Jun14 166:43 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 [12:43] he ever on irc? [12:43] HiddenWolf: not here [12:43] HiddenWolf: why ? [12:43] HiddenWolf: if you have a bug use bugzilla :) [12:44] seb128, got some questions about sound-juicer and replaygain. [12:44] daniels: do you actually use the sticky keys? If not you can unset the config option [12:44] live.gnome.org tells me he'd add it, but can't find anything on it. [12:44] ftp://ftp.ssc.com/pub/lj/Web/RC/8272.txt [12:44] ^ DO IT NOW [12:45] seb128: i don't, no [12:46] daniels: system, pref, keyboard, access, you have a sticky option [12:46] jdub: WTF is that? [12:46] "audio tool: amaroK [12:46] audio tool: XMMS" [12:46] seb128: LJ reader's choice awards [12:46] is that a joke ? [12:46] yeah, there were a number of rounds [12:47] oh [12:47] sucking [12:47] those were the ones that made it, it seems :) [12:47] amarok is rad though [12:49] a little busy for my tastes, but does look to have some pretty cool stuff [12:51] it sucks [12:51] it's ugly :p [12:51] seb128: only because it has the 'K' in it, or objectively? :-) === sabdfl [~mark@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] hey hey sabdfl [12:52] pitti: I've tried it once, the UI has a zillion of stuff to click on [12:52] hi guys [12:52] elmo: around? === abelli [~john@08d998803cf94844.session.tor] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] pitti: ding [12:52] Hi abelli [12:53] pitti: i love you, said this. === pitti blushes [12:54] pitti: . can you tell me more on your work on ruby packages? [12:54] either that or my control key is actually sticking, which I refuse to believe [12:54] it must be a GTK bug [12:54] abelli: I don't work on them, I just did a security update [12:54] seb128: as I said -- a little busy, but has great capabilities === ska-fan [~ska-fan@dsl-084-059-067-011.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@gnulinuxer.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] pitti: because in hoary there are big problems with ruby .. [12:55] pitti: the soap library isn't in the main package .. and cannot be found by gems .. [12:55] abelli: any details? [12:56] is there a bug? [12:56] ... report? [12:57] its not really a bug is just that the debian maintainer has split ruby on several packages. [12:57] and i can't find madeleine and soap libraries. [12:57] well not only me .. everyone. [12:57] hm, no idea === pitti never wrote a single line of ruby [12:58] abelli: so if we need to promote some libs into main in breezy, that shouldn't be a problem [12:59] pitti: yes .. but i think its not very correct separating the interpreter from the base libraries .. [12:59] moreover even rdoc is not in the maian package, and this is wrong because ruby needs rdoc to be ruby. [01:00] abelli: rdoc doesn't seem to exist in breezy [01:01] mmm wait a sec, im going trough logs. [01:03] Kamion: around? [01:03] abelli: sorry, it's there [01:03] rdoc | 1.8.2-1 | http://de.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages [01:03] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=290705 [01:05] abelli: what a mess... === dr88dr88 [~gerrit@h174040.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] pitti: i know .. :( === Keybuk [~scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] pitti: can you ppl do something? [01:07] Keybuk: ciao [01:07] Hi Keybuk [01:07] pitti: sure, just file bugs about what is necessary to sanitize it again [01:07] that would mean doing something completely different from ruby .. [01:08] well, then it should really be fixed in Debian proper [01:08] s/ruby/debian .. sorry :) === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@gnulinuxer.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] got to go .. ciao [01:18] Riddell: here? === lionel_ [~lionel@atlas.bde.inp-toulouse.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [cz@CPE-138-217-187-99.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [cz@CPE-138-217-187-99.qld.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:25] seb128: [01:25] here? === Keybuk secretly hands today's dilbert around [01:27] hehe === sabdfl [~mark@sabdfl.silver.supporter.pdpc] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-1468.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] pitti: pong [01:36] seb128: if I run "esd -nobeeps" in a shell, is that supposed to daemonize? [01:37] seb128: I can reproduce the hang here if I call esd in a shell and killall gnome-panel [01:37] seb128: it worked on my desktop, but that is gone now (new computer arrives at wed); on my ibook it hangs [01:38] seb128: I can't remember whether just calling esd daemonized or not on my desktop [01:40] pitti: yep, it should play a sound and return [01:40] seb128: well, the ugly sound is suppressed with -nobeeps [01:40] ok, and it does return for you? with 0.2.36? === seb128 installs esound [01:41] ah, you didn't have it` [01:41] just noticed that I've installed polypaudio the other day when you asked for the audiosink for it [01:41] no, "esd" is not supposed to return [01:42] well, the "esd" emulating wrapper of polypaudio does return [01:42] Keybuk: you broke sabdfl [01:42] pitti: esound not, I run "esd &" usually [01:42] ah, ok [01:43] seb128: can you please run it in the foreground, then killall gnome-panel? [01:43] yep [01:43] supposed to do something out of breaking gaim ? :p [01:44] well, for me it hangs the panel [01:44] panel restarted fine [01:44] the panel finishes loading if I kill esd [01:44] I don't use sound events neither === seb128 activates that [01:44] no change [01:44] works fine === pitti downgrades to 0.2.25 [01:45] erm, 0.2.35 even [01:45] however, that hangs the panel too, so no regression [01:45] weird [01:45] I try to restart my session and see whether it hangs [01:45] we started getting bugs about this this week [01:45] I didn't have esd installed when I booted this session [01:49] brb === jinty [~jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] daniels: I did, how? [01:50] 12:26 * Keybuk secretly hands today's dilbert around [01:50] 12:28 -!- sabdfl [~mark@sabdfl.silver.supporter.pdpc] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:51] heh [01:51] he left us ): === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:58] seb128: I get the hang, too, debugging now [01:58] seb128: btw, I didn't find a new g-v-m on ftp.gnome.org [01:59] pitti: the ftp sync is broken, I'll copy it somewhere for you === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] pitti: and yep, it breaks stuff too here, probably stuff playing sound events [01:59] pitti: ie, just got a "mail reply" hanging and a new browser window, and stop esd fixed them [02:00] seb128: really funny, as long as I strace the daemon, it works and makes progress, but as soon as I stop strace, it hangs again *grumpf* [02:00] ah ah [02:00] heisenbug [02:00] pitti: sounds like udev problems I had in the past :) [02:01] daniels: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-7167.html [02:01] daniels: "added xorg dlloader support" [02:01] pitti: for me it hangs when trying to play a sound event [02:01] seb128: and when you "strace -p $(pidof esd)" it works? === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@59.95.1.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:03] I swear, that will be the last esound bug I chase, I'll try to fix polypaudio instead... [02:03] pitti: now it doesn't hang [02:03] even without the strace [02:04] I've just restarted esound ... [02:06] tseng: hm. wonder if they added a _drv.so or whether they just fixed inter-module global data references [02:06] daniels: .so iirc [02:06] daniels: not to quote me on that === jvwAtHel [~jeroen@a130-233-4-8.debconf5.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [~ealden@219.90.91.60] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-12-130.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:18] pitti: funny, the session hangs when I start it, and unblock when I strace esound [02:18] seb128: same for me [02:19] seb128: Debian's version hangs, too, so it's not a bug in the Ubuntu patches [02:19] seb128: gdb output is useless even with -O0 -g :-( === seb128 kicks esound [02:19] and strace doesn't help, too, so how on earth shall this be debugged` [02:22] pitti the panel finishes loading if I kill esd [02:22] heh, you have the esd problem I had a couple of days ago ? :) [02:22] yes, it happens on my notebook [02:22] worked fine on my desktop [02:22] well, I'm using polypaudio now :) [02:23] yeah, consider replacing esd [02:23] I do [02:23] but polypaudio crashes very often for me [02:23] in general, polypaudio is soo much better [02:24] if esd/polyp crashes [02:24] it causes very confusing badness for gstreamer users [02:24] we had gstreamer->alsa for a while, but dmix doesn't work for everybody, so I decided to keep a sound daemon for now [02:24] muine segfaults, totem probably throws up some incomprehensible warning [02:25] erm, a C# program segfaults? ouch [02:25] eh thats not C# [02:25] the bindings are not C# ... [02:25] it has a C lib to bind gstreamer and libogg, libid3 etc [02:26] i filed a bug sometime ago to deal more nicely with total gstreamer failure :) [02:26] bah, 121231 layers of sound API really suck... === hunger [~hunger@p54A63951.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:33] Is xkb broken once again? [02:33] worksforme [02:33] pitti: http://pastebin.com/306402 === Lathiat grins at daniels [02:33] daniels: I can no longer get back to the consoles (Alt F1, etc.) [02:34] i can [02:34] pitti: that's esound staced for some working time and then hanging [02:34] daniels: Maybe just a local messup... I have those way more often than you can possibly break X;-) [02:35] seb128: it works with libesd0, but hangs with libesd-alsa0, can you confirm this? [02:35] pitti: lemme try [02:36] hunger: x hasn't been touched in a while now [02:37] daniels: Are you sure? I remember updating xorg during the last couple of days. [02:38] daniels: I have not rebooted since this morning... xev does show Alt, Ctrl and Fx working, so it is probably something local. [02:38] hunger: well, tollef uploaded what was more or less a straight rebuild [02:38] the last significant change was mdz last sunday or so [02:39] seb128: I think I have some idea where to look now [02:39] pitti: cool ... what is the issue? [02:39] seb128: since it works with oss, the bug seems to be in the alsa driver [02:39] pitti: BTW http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/gnome-volume-manager-1.3.2.tar.gz [02:39] seb128: esd ships with two alsa drivers [02:39] seb128: alsa09 and alsa (old and new) [02:39] hum, k [02:39] seb128: esd 0.2.36 switched the default one [02:40] but you have the issue when downgrading ti 0.2.35 no ? [02:40] seb128: so first I'll try with the old one, if that works, we have a nice workaround [02:40] seb128: hm, I tried that, but I can't remember any more (should work) [02:41] you have downgraded libesd too, or only esound? [02:41] no, everything [02:41] lemme try again [02:41] k [02:43] seb128: I now have condensed the significant changes between 0.2.35 and .36, only 137 lines [02:45] daniels: could you deal with xorg/xcursors, so I don't have to hit Mithrandir with you? [02:46] pitti: it works fine with 0.2.35? [02:46] seb128: just testing [02:46] seb128: it hanged in 2/4 cases [02:46] k [02:46] daniels: xorg -33 build-dep's xcursors, which is dep-wait libxfixes-dev (>= -33) === pitti blames new alsa code in the kernel [02:47] lamont: you can't build with an old libxcursor? [02:47] if I _HAD_ an old libxcursor [02:47] lamont: *shrug* [02:47] i was in favour of fixing pkg-config, myself [02:47] s/fixing/bastardizing/ [02:47] lamont: if you can wait for -35, fixes/damage/composite are being split out [02:48] how soon on that front? [02:48] Hi lamont [02:48] next week? [02:48] seb128: yes, definitively hangs with 0.2.35, too [02:48] i'll upload -34 tomorrow fo'sho, then -35 tuesday or so [02:49] pitti: :( [02:49] seb128: recent 2.6.12 updated the alsa driver, maybe that was buggy [02:49] any chance of getting fixes split out for -34? :) [02:49] pitti: oh, right [02:49] seb128: I try with the hoary kernel now [02:49] tuesday is plenty soon enough [02:49] lamont: i'm trying to separate my break-stuff-out and fix-stuff uploads [02:50] makes sense [02:50] morning pitti [02:50] but yeah, tollef sucks for causing a regression in pkg-config :) [02:55] seb128: btw, control-center is ftbfs - looks to be a dpkg-dev victim [02:55] dh_install -pcapplets-data [02:55] cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/share/control-center-2.0/icons': No such file or directory [02:57] k, thanks [02:57] any other GNOME stuff ftbfsing? [02:57] libgtk2-perl_1:1.091-1 [02:58] that's known [02:58] others? :) [02:58] mozilla-thunderbird_1.0.2-1build1 guile-1.6_1.6.7-1ubuntu2/ia64 [02:58] gnome-app-install_0+20050404a-3/i386 [02:59] that's for mvo :p [03:00] seb128: that's about it in my mailbox [03:00] there might be some b0rked dep-wait's that I'm not seeing [03:01] that's fine, thanks === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:05] seb128: negative, it hangs with the hoary kernel, too [03:05] wb pitti [03:06] seb128: it seems that this is a gtk bug after all... *duck* [03:06] ah ah [03:06] seb128: seriously, did anything gnome-ish change in the last week that deals with gstreamer/sound events? [03:07] seb128: so what we have: hang: hoary esd+hoary kernel, hoary esd+breezy kernel, breezy esd + hoary kernel, breezy esd + breezy kernel [03:07] (all with libesd-alsa0) [03:07] I try again with libesd [03:07] s//0/ === lamont was wondering when became a number... [03:08] pitti: see? told you qwerty was evil [03:08] er, qwertz [03:08] qwertz comes from the ground [03:08] qwertz comes from hate [03:08] daniels: well, it's rather my hands... on my dvorak it would have been [ which doesn't look much nicer :) [03:08] otoh, qwerty is made of awesome [03:09] yes, for programming american qwerty rocks [03:09] just not for writing German texts :-) [03:09] ctrl:nocaps,compose:ralt [03:09] === pitti tries to use english dvorak, but falls back to qwertz too often... === lamont goes to renn faire with the family === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:14] seb128: nope, reverting to the older esd driver doesn't help either [03:14] seb128: WHAT DID YOU DO??? [03:15] pitti: surprise :p [03:15] seb128: do the sound events use gstreamer? or esound directly? [03:15] Manifying blib/man1/cyradm.1p [03:15] "Manifying"???? that's not a verb, even in americanese [03:15] ah, *idea* [03:16] pitti: esound [03:16] oh? [03:16] seb128: urgh, it's the old driver that sounds so ugly with dmix... [03:18] seb128: right, switching gstreamer to alsa doesn't help to prevent the hang [03:18] gstreamer doesn't act here [03:18] seb128: which package does sound events? [03:18] gnome-control-center [03:19] that's the library for sound events? [03:19] it must be something gnome-panel links to... [03:19] pitti: g-c-c has a libsounds/ folder [03:20] pitti: and ./gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-sound.c [03:20] bah, gstreamer-properties now hangs as well [03:21] pitti: oh, libgnome has stuff too [03:23] works well with polypaudio at least [03:24] when it doesn't crash *g* [03:24] does it crash for you very often? [03:24] I don't use it [03:24] seb128: I immediately see it since I get a crash report dialog [03:24] I'm not a good audio client [03:24] ah, ok [03:24] I don't care of playing 2 sounds, and I don't use sound events for GNOME [03:24] basically alsa without dmix is fine for me :p [03:25] I don't use sound events either [03:25] but hearing icq sounds or console beeps is nice when I listen to ogg files... [03:25] I use "beep" :) [03:26] powerpc's don't have a "pc speaker" [03:27] yeah, I know [03:27] just speaking for me [03:28] anyway, where do you want to get people playing? [03:28] "where"? [03:28] polypaudio? esound? alsasink? [03:28] polypaudio actually [03:28] just say what setup I should use [03:28] if we can stabilize it [03:29] I'm happy to play with either of that [03:29] esound is the fallback if polypaudio is too buggy [03:29] that's why I try to get both in shape [03:29] k, go for polypaudio so === HWolf [~hidden@136.180.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 kicks Debian [03:29] why? [03:29] that would make easier if any ftpmaster would accept polypaudio and the new gst-plugins0.8 [03:30] yep [03:30] pitti: speaking about audio ... libmpcdec? === seb128 wants to sync gst-plugins0.8 on Debian [03:31] and some people are asking for that === pitti whistles [03:31] :) [03:31] seb128: sorry, network trouble, I didn't get your last question [03:32] no, will do it RSN [03:32] well, let's do it *now* [03:32] thanks [03:32] and defer that esd shit a bit :-) [03:32] he he [03:32] elmo: glib2.0 (experimental) sync please [03:33] seb128: latest gnome-control-center is from June 12 [03:33] seb128: I think the problem appeared way after that [03:33] we started get bugs this week about this [03:34] hm, libgnome is from yesterday... [03:34] too late, I guess [03:34] previous version from Jun 10 [03:34] yep [03:34] any other idea? [03:34] it makes both gstreamer-properties and gnome-panel hang === seb128 reads -changes [03:35] it makes epiphany/evolution hang here [03:35] and gnome-session [03:35] ie: everything trying to play sound-events [03:35] for me even gedit hanged with esd :) [03:35]