| mdke | evening all | 12:11 |
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| Burgundavia | salut | 12:14 |
| mdke | hi there | 12:14 |
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| Burgundavia | I forgot about the meeting yesterday | 12:14 |
| mdke | np, catch the log? | 12:15 |
| Burgundavia | read the summary | 12:15 |
| mdke | ok i haven't got there yet | 12:15 |
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| Burgundavia | happened to see the summary in the recent changes on the wiki | 12:15 |
| mdke | thoughts? | 12:16 |
| Burgundavia | looks good | 12:16 |
| mdke | yeah i thought it was a good meeting | 12:16 |
| Burgundavia | the style guide has little interest to me, to be honest | 12:16 |
| Burgundavia | I am glad someone else has done it | 12:16 |
| mdke | i think it is fairly important | 12:16 |
| mdke | geez my browser is actually still crashed | 12:17 |
| mdke | froud is using svn to store the whole kde archive or something | 12:17 |
| Burgundavia | what do you use for mail? | 12:17 |
| mdke | just reading it in webmail right now | 12:17 |
| mdke | but normally i use evolution | 12:18 |
| mdke | i xkilled the browser | 12:19 |
| mdke | his commit is 2.2MB | 12:19 |
| mdke | just the commit log | 12:19 |
| mdke | ah i see jerome had gone in for some comedy in the meeting summary | 12:21 |
| mdke | nice touch | 12:21 |
| mdke | burgs | 12:23 |
| mdke | http://www.marzocca.net/linux/baobab.html | 12:23 |
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| Burgundavia | did you see my latest post to the planet? | 12:24 |
| mdke | will check | 12:24 |
| mdke | ok | 12:25 |
| mdke | i met some Ubuntu people today | 12:26 |
| mdke | it was nice | 12:27 |
| Burgundavia | at the edubuntu summit? | 12:27 |
| mdke | yes | 12:27 |
| Burgundavia | how was the summit? | 12:27 |
| mdke | pretty good | 12:27 |
| mdke | a bit disorganised | 12:27 |
| Burgundavia | not surprised | 12:27 |
| mdke | because basically it was a lot of different groups sharing experiences of things | 12:27 |
| mdke | but it was very interesting for me, as an observer, and I think useful for them | 12:28 |
| Burgundavia | I think edubuntu is going to be one of biggest growth places for ubuntu | 12:28 |
| mdke | the most incredible thing is that I didn't realise the scope and success of existing projects | 12:28 |
| Burgundavia | skolelinux and others? | 12:28 |
| mdke | guadalinex seem to dominate the school market in andalucia | 12:28 |
| Burgundavia | are we talking merging all the existing projects into edubuntu? | 12:28 |
| mdke | they have 200,000 installations | 12:28 |
| mdke | in norway skolelinux are rocking too | 12:29 |
| mdke | erm not merging, but guadalinex will be derived from ubuntu | 12:29 |
| mdke | skolelinux is debian based | 12:29 |
| Burgundavia | already is, I thought | 12:29 |
| Burgundavia | cool | 12:29 |
| mdke | for next release they intend to be | 12:29 |
| Burgundavia | anyway, I have to run | 12:29 |
| mdke | okies | 12:30 |
| mdke | me too | 12:30 |
| mdke | bed | 12:30 |
| Burgundavia | I was supposed to be at my brothers an hour ago | 12:30 |
| mdke | ok have fun | 12:30 |
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| froud | African Greetings | 08:19 |
| Liz | kiwi greetings froud | 08:24 |
| froud | :-) | 08:26 |
| Liz | a question re the moodle site | 08:31 |
| froud | sure | 08:31 |
| Liz | the glossary | 08:32 |
| Liz | is there a way to get it to have the two meanings for the one work listed in there? | 08:32 |
| Liz | for example..reading a sentence that used the word "case" | 08:32 |
| Liz | it throws the context of the sentence out, if you believe the meaning it gives there on the word "case" | 08:33 |
| froud | we would have to speak to ryan he can change that part | 08:34 |
| Liz | couple of the questions throw me as well, cause its not mentioend at all in the text given | 08:35 |
| froud | OK, so what we shoul do is you send me the stuff by mail and I will talk to ryan | 08:36 |
| froud | try give urls | 08:36 |
| froud | that way we know where you found the problems | 08:37 |
| froud | the moodle is a backend website under the forrest | 08:37 |
| froud | I don't admin that part | 08:37 |
| froud | just the frontend stuff | 08:37 |
| Liz | ok..im just going through it again to double check ..just in case i did miss it | 08:38 |
| Liz | but i didnt | 08:38 |
| froud | anything in the repository that is docbook I can do | 08:38 |
| Liz | i havaent even started on the docbook stuff..though i did d/l it some time ago | 08:38 |
| froud | He he its a big set of docs | 08:38 |
| Liz | its huge | 08:38 |
| froud | we have a fork here at ubuntu | 08:39 |
| froud | so we can custom the material for ubuntu | 08:39 |
| froud | yes it took 6 people 7 months to do :-) | 08:39 |
| Liz | im sure everything i have re docbook and the ubuntu docs is out of date | 08:40 |
| froud | yes it is | 08:40 |
| froud | oneday I must go through it and update | 08:40 |
| Liz | oh rats..i cant get back into the quizz cause ive already done them 5 times | 08:41 |
| mdke | morning all | 08:43 |
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| froud | morning grumpy | 08:44 |
| froud | what's your problem today | 08:44 |
| mdke | i got a 2.2MB email yesterday | 08:44 |
| froud | he he upstream vendor drop | 08:44 |
| froud | I did say, "Silence will be interpreted as consent" | 08:44 |
| froud | and a week later with silence I did it | 08:45 |
| mdke | was the question "should I do a kde vendor drop?" or "should I send an enormous email?" | 08:46 |
| mdke | joking aside, looks like kde do lots of good work on their docs? | 08:46 |
| froud | yes very good | 08:46 |
| froud | different approach | 08:47 |
| mdke | that's cool | 08:47 |
| froud | in kde all docs are free for all work on | 08:47 |
| froud | in gnome you must ask the maintainer | 08:47 |
| froud | so in KDE more things get done | 08:47 |
| mdke | hmm | 08:47 |
| froud | but kde is big | 08:48 |
| froud | and has a good system | 08:48 |
| froud | also lauri watts is brilliant | 08:48 |
| mdke | i don't know whether the gnome doc project just like to leave their webpages out of date to give the impression that the project is dead, or whether it is actually dead | 08:48 |
| froud | she is a hard cookie | 08:48 |
| froud | well they have been running on sun | 08:48 |
| froud | now sun moved out, they have problems | 08:49 |
| mdke | sun moved out? | 08:49 |
| froud | but I am sure they will pick it up again | 08:49 |
| mdke | i thought they didn't | 08:49 |
| froud | yes, they, the technical writer, have too much work on other projects | 08:49 |
| mdke | in any case, sun probably didn't write up to date docs | 08:49 |
| froud | s/writer/writers | 08:49 |
| mdke | cos they don't use new versions of gnome | 08:49 |
| froud | dude, sun did a huge amount | 08:50 |
| mdke | maybe they did a lot on 2.6 docs | 08:50 |
| mdke | solaris uses 2.6 iirc | 08:50 |
| froud | thanks to sun that many apps have manual | 08:50 |
| mdke | that is good i guess | 08:50 |
| mdke | some apps don't get out of date quickly | 08:51 |
| froud | if it was not for sun gnome docs would practically not exist | 08:51 |
| mdke | hmm | 08:51 |
| mdke | i wonder whether they attract contributors or not | 08:51 |
| froud | a few | 08:51 |
| froud | now why do you think ppl at ubuntu are so eager for us to work with upstream :-) | 08:52 |
| froud | I think we should | 08:52 |
| mdke | 1 person is keen froud | 08:53 |
| mdke | and he hasn't done any work at least since I arrived 4 months ago | 08:53 |
| mdke | it would be nice to help gnome docs, maybe I will do some later, but right now we don't have enough people contributing to the gnome side | 08:54 |
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| froud | but at the same time if defocuses us | 08:55 |
| froud | and the way gnome has setup cvs makes it hard to get all the docs in one place | 08:55 |
| froud | in gnome each app has docs with it | 08:55 |
| froud | in kde the docs are all in one folder | 08:55 |
| froud | and its easy now because KDE uses svn | 08:55 |
| froud | I thin kubuntu also want and svn | 08:55 |
| froud | he he | 08:55 |
| froud | well ther eyou go | 08:55 |
| froud | as you know I am focused on Kubuntu, at least until breezy is released | 08:55 |
| froud | news is we now have a debian that you can build | 08:56 |
| froud | hey jeffsch | 08:56 |
| froud | I will start uploading debs at lnix/~froud from today | 08:56 |
| jeffsch | hey | 08:56 |
| froud | di dyou get my mail | 08:56 |
| jeffsch | yeah. but i had too many castle lagers to understand it | 08:56 |
| froud | Castle | 08:57 |
| jeffsch | i sent something back, hope it makes sense | 08:57 |
| froud | that's South African stuff | 08:57 |
| Liz | why is there more on KDE and not GNOME? | 08:57 |
| mdke | i checked out gnome cvs yesterday | 08:57 |
| froud | chemicals dude, pure chemicals | 08:57 |
| mdke | it is incredibly disorganised | 08:57 |
| jeffsch | yeah. i saw it in the beer store, so i had to get it | 08:57 |
| Liz | tho..the documentation in GNOME is not that good | 08:57 |
| froud | Liz: come to kde darling | 08:58 |
| froud | jeffsch: you guys should really see the new kde-systemsettings | 08:58 |
| froud | KControl is being relaced in Kubuntu | 08:58 |
| Liz | i used to use kde | 08:58 |
| jeffsch | bah. kde. | 08:58 |
| Liz | but i prefer gnome | 08:58 |
| Liz | its just ..prettier | 08:58 |
| jeffsch | i tried kde. now i use gnome | 08:59 |
| froud | NO WAY | 08:59 |
| Liz | kde feels falt and clunky to me | 08:59 |
| froud | kde is light years ahead | 08:59 |
| Liz | fat that is | 08:59 |
| mdke | it is slower | 08:59 |
| mdke | gnome is simpler and less cluttered IMO | 08:59 |
| froud | pah | 08:59 |
| mdke | kde is good though | 08:59 |
| Liz | kde is good | 08:59 |
| froud | dudes kde is so way ahead | 08:59 |
| froud | checkout DCOP | 08:59 |
| froud | script the desktop | 08:59 |
| jeffsch | i use gnome except for kate and konversation | 08:59 |
| froud | you guys tried DCOP? | 09:00 |
| jeffsch | the k's turn me off | 09:00 |
| jeffsch | is DCOP KDE? if so, why isn't it DKOP? | 09:00 |
| froud | who cares about the k's when the apps are solid | 09:00 |
| froud | there is KDCOP | 09:01 |
| froud | DCOP for console | 09:01 |
| froud | KDCOP for gui | 09:01 |
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| froud | dig dig | 09:02 |
| jeffsch | frous: that's souls, not soles. :) | 09:02 |
| froud | no soles | 09:02 |
| jeffsch | oops, s/frous/froud | 09:02 |
| froud | as in gnome foot | 09:02 |
| froud | pun | 09:02 |
| jeffsch | aahh, hehe | 09:03 |
| froud | one thing about kde development is that I find them very freindly | 09:03 |
| froud | and not so religious | 09:03 |
| froud | the chaps at kde have also recognized documentation in their goals | 09:03 |
| mdke | i gtg | 09:04 |
| froud | without anyone of us pushing it | 09:04 |
| mdke | going to the cricket | 09:04 |
| froud | bye | 09:04 |
| mdke | have a good day yall | 09:04 |
| jeffsch | ciao mdke | 09:04 |
| froud | he cool the kubuntu doc deb works | 09:09 |
| Liz | email sent froud | 09:13 |
| froud | thanks | 09:13 |
| Liz | all blacks vs british and irish lions on soon | 09:13 |
| froud | go all blacks | 09:14 |
| Liz | yeah..should be a good game | 09:14 |
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| Liz | south africa vs wallabies after this | 09:20 |
| Liz | go springboks | 09:20 |
| froud | go ama-bokke-bokke | 09:21 |
| froud | ama-bokke-bokke=Springboks | 09:21 |
| Liz | cool..ill remember that | 09:21 |
| Liz | well..i wont really..i have very short term memory sometimes..heh | 09:22 |
| froud | Hmm a Linux chick that digs rugga | 09:22 |
| Liz | you taken note of the cricket fiasco? | 09:22 |
| Liz | between nz and zimbabwe | 09:22 |
| froud | no dont like cricket | 09:22 |
| froud | what happened | 09:22 |
| Liz | my dad is a rugby fanatic...i grew up in that | 09:22 |
| Liz | watched every game..every replay...on every channel | 09:22 |
| froud | makes sense if you're a kwiwi | 09:23 |
| Liz | oh..zimbabwe's leader is considered a dictator now, and has invited the nz cricket team to tour there | 09:23 |
| froud | rugga is a religion | 09:23 |
| Liz | but nz has denied visas to the zimbabwe cricket team | 09:23 |
| froud | ha ha ha | 09:23 |
| froud | ha ha | 09:23 |
| Liz | as a protest against his rule | 09:23 |
| froud | lol | 09:23 |
| froud | yeah old robert is seriously pickled | 09:24 |
| Liz | he reminds me of castro | 09:24 |
| froud | sooner he dies the better | 09:24 |
| Liz | saw a replay on his interview with barb walters a week ago | 09:24 |
| Liz | well someones gotta shoot him .eventually | 09:24 |
| froud | and th eking of swaziland who has 13 or 14 wives | 09:24 |
| Liz | polyandry isnt anything new tho | 09:25 |
| froud | while his people suffer | 09:25 |
| Liz | arab princes have that many wives | 09:25 |
| froud | he live th elife | 09:25 |
| Liz | i dont blame them in a way | 09:25 |
| Liz | you always want what you didnt have growing up | 09:25 |
| Liz | so once you get it..you just go all out | 09:25 |
| froud | yeah but that mentality treats women like animals | 09:25 |
| Liz | its always been that way tho in some cultures froud | 09:26 |
| froud | the status of women in those places is zero, it sucks | 09:26 |
| froud | I know I live here remember and also lived in the middle east | 09:26 |
| Liz | it sucks, but not much you can do about it | 09:27 |
| Liz | its a slow slow slow process | 09:27 |
| froud | yeah, good news is South Africa now has a female vice-president | 09:28 |
| froud | we have a stong drive over hear for the empowerment of women | 09:28 |
| Liz | hows that going to help? | 09:28 |
| Liz | well..fingers crossed | 09:28 |
| Liz | i know indira ghandi did the same thing when she ws in power | 09:29 |
| froud | women need to be empowered to play a role in driving the economy | 09:29 |
| Liz | and it did help the women in her country | 09:29 |
| Liz | for a while | 09:29 |
| Liz | try to all blacks ! | 09:29 |
| Liz | score is 11-7 to us | 09:29 |
| froud | shit I can't see | 09:29 |
| froud | ok liz running commentary | 09:30 |
| froud | go girl | 09:30 |
| Liz | lol | 09:30 |
| Liz | and its converted | 09:30 |
| Liz | go watch the game froud | 09:30 |
| Liz | im going over there to watch it | 09:30 |
| froud | cant | 09:30 |
| Liz | :( | 09:31 |
| froud | on the women thang | 09:31 |
| froud | here in Africa we really need to have more women in executive and leadership positions | 09:31 |
| froud | and we need to change our culture | 09:32 |
| froud | its the only way to bring down the rate of domestic abuse and rape in the country | 09:32 |
| Liz | http://www.herhands.com/ <-- ever read this book? | 09:33 |
| Liz | tho you probably havent, it only came out this year | 09:33 |
| froud | no I never read anything excpt computer books :-) | 09:33 |
| froud | I know I need help | 09:33 |
| Liz | talks about how women in different countries, actually have a 'community bank account' where they can make money to provide for their family | 09:33 |
| Liz | all from craft6 | 09:34 |
| Liz | its really heartbreaking to know how much they earn and how much they go through just to make money to feed their family | 09:34 |
| froud | yeah while the men drink the money away | 09:34 |
| froud | many women here can't read | 09:35 |
| Liz | while the men that are there, spend theirs on stuff for themselves | 09:35 |
| Liz | that wasnt in all countries..just some of them | 09:35 |
| froud | yeah | 09:35 |
| froud | I do some work in the rural areas | 09:35 |
| froud | its shocking the way life is | 09:35 |
| froud | even though I grew up here, I never got accustomed to seeing women working the fields with babies on their back while the men sit under a tree and talk | 09:36 |
| Liz | but those women dont complain..they just get on with it and do what needs to be done | 09:36 |
| froud | they know better than to complain | 09:37 |
| Liz | true | 09:37 |
| Liz | another sad fact | 09:37 |
| froud | or face a stick | 09:37 |
| Liz | i went through spousal abuse..once | 09:37 |
| froud | sorry to hear that | 09:38 |
| Liz | no man hits me and thinks he can get away with it | 09:38 |
| Liz | dont be..was a long time ago | 09:38 |
| froud | ata girl | 09:38 |
| Liz | i try to help women in the same situation when i can | 09:38 |
| Liz | penalty kick to lions | 09:39 |
| Liz | 13 -10 to allblacks | 09:39 |
| froud | over here we are starting to build the structures to help them. th elaw has also changed, but not enough yet | 09:39 |
| froud | arrh | 09:39 |
| Liz | its gonna be hard to break the religion part of that behavour too | 09:40 |
| Liz | where women are considered "property" | 09:40 |
| froud | In the middle east particularly | 09:40 |
| Liz | penalty kick to all blacks now | 09:40 |
| froud | sssshhhh | 09:40 |
| Liz | 16 - 10 | 09:40 |
| froud | yay | 09:41 |
| Liz | 12 mins remaining | 09:41 |
| froud | go all balcks | 09:41 |
| Liz | hehe | 09:41 |
| Liz | im sure you'll see the replay | 09:41 |
| froud | later today | 09:41 |
| Liz | i wont spoil the second half for you tehn | 09:41 |
| Liz | heh | 09:41 |
| Liz | both teams are temperamental today | 09:42 |
| Liz | second fight | 09:42 |
| Liz | another penalty to the lions | 09:42 |
| Liz | 16 - 13 | 09:43 |
| Liz | ok..im gonna go | 09:44 |
| Liz | the boy is nagging me..he wants to log on and talk to his friends | 09:44 |
| Liz | i really gotta build his own machine | 09:44 |
| Liz | bye all | 09:45 |
| froud | when building packages how to I bump up the part of the version number after the - for example 0.1-X | 09:59 |
| froud | jeffsch: ping | 10:17 |
| froud | jeffsch: I change the html.stylesheet param to <xsl:param name="html.stylesheet" select="'/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/kde-default.css'"/> | 10:20 |
| froud | in my next build it will use this value for resolving the stylesheets | 10:20 |
| froud | jeffsch: but this assumes a KDE system | 10:21 |
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