[12:11] <mdke> evening all
[12:14] <Burgundavia> salut
[12:14] <mdke> hi there
[12:14] <Burgundavia> I forgot about the meeting yesterday
[12:15] <mdke> np, catch the log?
[12:15] <Burgundavia> read the summary
[12:15] <mdke> ok i haven't got there yet
[12:15] <Burgundavia> happened to see the summary in the recent changes on the wiki
[12:16] <mdke> thoughts?
[12:16] <Burgundavia> looks good
[12:16] <mdke> yeah i thought it was a good meeting
[12:16] <Burgundavia> the style guide has little interest to me, to be honest
[12:16] <Burgundavia> I am glad someone else has done it
[12:16] <mdke> i think it is fairly important
[12:17] <mdke> geez my browser is actually still crashed
[12:17] <mdke> froud is using svn to store the whole kde archive or something
[12:17] <Burgundavia> what do you use for mail?
[12:17] <mdke> just reading it in webmail right now
[12:18] <mdke> but normally i use evolution
[12:19] <mdke> i xkilled the browser
[12:19] <mdke> his commit is 2.2MB
[12:19] <mdke> just the commit log
[12:21] <mdke> ah i see jerome had gone in for some comedy in the meeting summary
[12:21] <mdke> nice touch
[12:23] <mdke> burgs
[12:23] <mdke> http://www.marzocca.net/linux/baobab.html
[12:24] <Burgundavia> did you see my latest post to the planet?
[12:24] <mdke> will check
[12:25] <mdke> ok
[12:26] <mdke> i met some Ubuntu people today
[12:27] <mdke> it was nice
[12:27] <Burgundavia> at the edubuntu summit?
[12:27] <mdke> yes
[12:27] <Burgundavia> how was the summit?
[12:27] <mdke> pretty good
[12:27] <mdke> a bit disorganised
[12:27] <Burgundavia> not surprised
[12:27] <mdke> because basically it was a lot of different groups sharing experiences of things
[12:28] <mdke> but it was very interesting for me, as an observer, and I think useful for them
[12:28] <Burgundavia> I think edubuntu is going to be one of biggest growth places for ubuntu
[12:28] <mdke> the most incredible thing is that I didn't realise the scope and success of existing projects
[12:28] <Burgundavia> skolelinux and others?
[12:28] <mdke> guadalinex seem to dominate the school market in andalucia
[12:28] <Burgundavia> are we talking merging all the existing projects into edubuntu?
[12:28] <mdke> they have 200,000 installations
[12:29] <mdke> in norway skolelinux are rocking too
[12:29] <mdke> erm not merging, but guadalinex will be derived from ubuntu
[12:29] <mdke> skolelinux is debian based
[12:29] <Burgundavia> already is, I thought
[12:29] <Burgundavia> cool
[12:29] <mdke> for next release they intend to be
[12:29] <Burgundavia> anyway, I have to run
[12:30] <mdke> okies
[12:30] <mdke> me too
[12:30] <mdke> bed
[12:30] <Burgundavia> I was supposed to be at my brothers an hour ago
[12:30] <mdke> ok have fun
[01:10] <njal> lo
[08:19] <froud> African Greetings
[08:24] <Liz> kiwi greetings froud 
[08:26] <froud> :-)
[08:31] <Liz> a question re the moodle site
[08:31] <froud> sure
[08:32] <Liz> the glossary
[08:32] <Liz> is there a way to get it to have the two meanings for the one work listed in there?
[08:32] <Liz> for example..reading a sentence that used the word "case"
[08:33] <Liz> it throws the context of the sentence out, if you believe the meaning it gives there on the word "case"
[08:34] <froud> we would have to speak to ryan he can change that part
[08:35] <Liz> couple of the questions throw me as well, cause its not mentioend at all in the text given
[08:36] <froud> OK, so what we shoul do is you send me the stuff by mail and I will talk to ryan
[08:36] <froud> try give urls
[08:37] <froud> that way we know where you found the problems
[08:37] <froud> the moodle is a backend website under the forrest
[08:37] <froud> I don't admin that part
[08:37] <froud> just the frontend stuff
[08:38] <Liz> ok..im just going through it again to double check ..just in case i did miss it
[08:38] <Liz> but i didnt
[08:38] <froud> anything in the repository that is docbook I can do
[08:38] <Liz> i havaent even started on the docbook stuff..though i did d/l it some time ago
[08:38] <froud> He he its a big set of docs
[08:38] <Liz> its huge
[08:39] <froud> we have a fork here at ubuntu
[08:39] <froud> so we can custom the material for ubuntu
[08:39] <froud> yes it took 6 people 7 months to do :-)
[08:40] <Liz> im sure everything i have re docbook and the ubuntu docs is out of date
[08:40] <froud> yes it is
[08:40] <froud> oneday I must go through it and update
[08:41] <Liz> oh rats..i cant get back into the quizz cause ive already done them 5 times
[08:43] <mdke> morning all
[08:44] <froud> morning grumpy
[08:44] <froud> what's your problem today
[08:44] <mdke> i got a 2.2MB email yesterday
[08:44] <froud> he he upstream vendor drop
[08:44] <froud> I did say, "Silence will be interpreted as consent"
[08:45] <froud> and a week later with silence I did it
[08:46] <mdke> was the question "should I do a kde vendor drop?" or "should I send an enormous email?"
[08:46] <mdke> joking aside, looks like kde do lots of good work on their docs?
[08:46] <froud> yes very good
[08:47] <froud> different approach
[08:47] <mdke> that's cool
[08:47] <froud> in kde all docs are free for all work on
[08:47] <froud> in gnome you must ask the maintainer
[08:47] <froud> so in KDE more things get done
[08:47] <mdke> hmm
[08:48] <froud> but kde is big
[08:48] <froud> and has a good system
[08:48] <froud> also lauri watts is brilliant
[08:48] <mdke> i don't know whether the gnome doc project just like to leave their webpages out of date to give the impression that the project is dead, or whether it is actually dead
[08:48] <froud> she is a hard cookie
[08:48] <froud> well they have been running on sun
[08:49] <froud> now sun moved out, they have problems
[08:49] <mdke> sun moved out?
[08:49] <froud> but I am sure they will pick it up again
[08:49] <mdke> i thought they didn't
[08:49] <froud> yes, they, the technical writer, have too much work on other projects
[08:49] <mdke> in any case, sun probably didn't write up to date docs
[08:49] <froud> s/writer/writers
[08:49] <mdke> cos they don't use new versions of gnome
[08:50] <froud> dude, sun did a huge amount
[08:50] <mdke> maybe they did a lot on 2.6 docs
[08:50] <mdke> solaris uses 2.6 iirc
[08:50] <froud> thanks to sun that many apps have manual
[08:50] <mdke> that is good i guess
[08:51] <mdke> some apps don't get out of date quickly
[08:51] <froud> if it was not for sun gnome docs would practically not exist
[08:51] <mdke> hmm
[08:51] <mdke> i wonder whether they attract contributors or not
[08:51] <froud> a few
[08:52] <froud> now why do you think ppl at ubuntu are so eager for us to work with upstream :-)
[08:52] <froud> I think we should
[08:53] <mdke> 1 person is keen froud 
[08:53] <mdke> and he hasn't done any work at least since I arrived 4 months ago
[08:54] <mdke> it would be nice to help gnome docs, maybe I will do some later, but right now we don't have enough people contributing to the gnome side
[08:55] <froud> but at the same time if defocuses us
[08:55] <froud> and the way gnome has setup cvs makes it hard to get all the docs in one place
[08:55] <froud> in gnome each app has docs with it
[08:55] <froud> in kde the docs are all in one folder
[08:55] <froud> and its easy now because KDE uses svn
[08:55] <froud> I thin kubuntu also want and svn
[08:55] <froud> he he
[08:55] <froud> well ther eyou go
[08:55] <froud> as you know I am focused on Kubuntu, at least until breezy is released
[08:56] <froud> news is we now have a debian that you can build
[08:56] <froud> hey jeffsch 
[08:56] <froud> I will start uploading debs at lnix/~froud from today
[08:56] <jeffsch> hey
[08:56] <froud> di dyou get my mail
[08:56] <jeffsch> yeah. but i had too many castle lagers to understand it
[08:57] <froud> Castle
[08:57] <jeffsch> i sent something back, hope it makes sense
[08:57] <froud> that's South African stuff
[08:57] <Liz> why is there more on KDE and not GNOME?
[08:57] <mdke> i checked out gnome cvs yesterday
[08:57] <froud> chemicals dude, pure chemicals
[08:57] <mdke> it is incredibly disorganised
[08:57] <jeffsch> yeah. i saw it in the beer store, so i had to get it
[08:57] <Liz> tho..the documentation in GNOME is not that good
[08:58] <froud> Liz: come to kde darling
[08:58] <froud> jeffsch: you guys should really see the new kde-systemsettings
[08:58] <froud> KControl is being relaced in Kubuntu
[08:58] <Liz> i used to use kde
[08:58] <jeffsch> bah. kde.
[08:58] <Liz> but i prefer gnome
[08:58] <Liz> its just ..prettier
[08:59] <jeffsch> i tried kde. now i use gnome
[08:59] <froud> NO WAY
[08:59] <Liz> kde feels falt and clunky to me
[08:59] <froud> kde is light years ahead
[08:59] <Liz> fat that is
[08:59] <mdke> it is slower
[08:59] <mdke> gnome is simpler and less cluttered IMO
[08:59] <froud> pah
[08:59] <mdke> kde is good though
[08:59] <Liz> kde is good
[08:59] <froud> dudes kde is so way ahead
[08:59] <froud> checkout DCOP
[08:59] <froud> script the desktop
[08:59] <jeffsch> i use gnome except for kate and konversation
[09:00] <froud> you guys tried DCOP?
[09:00] <jeffsch> the k's turn me off
[09:00] <jeffsch> is DCOP KDE? if so, why isn't it DKOP?
[09:00] <froud> who cares about the k's when the apps are solid
[09:01] <froud> there is KDCOP
[09:01] <froud> DCOP for console
[09:01] <froud> KDCOP for gui
[09:02] <froud> dig dig
[09:02] <jeffsch> frous: that's souls, not soles. :)
[09:02] <froud> no soles
[09:02] <jeffsch> oops, s/frous/froud
[09:02] <froud> as in gnome foot
[09:02] <froud> pun
[09:03] <jeffsch> aahh, hehe
[09:03] <froud> one thing about kde development is that I find them very freindly
[09:03] <froud> and not so religious
[09:03] <froud> the chaps at kde have also recognized documentation in their goals
[09:04] <mdke> i gtg
[09:04] <froud> without anyone of us pushing it
[09:04] <mdke> going to the cricket
[09:04] <froud> bye
[09:04] <mdke> have a good day yall
[09:04] <jeffsch> ciao mdke
[09:09] <froud> he  cool the kubuntu doc deb works
[09:13] <Liz> email sent froud 
[09:13] <froud> thanks
[09:13] <Liz> all blacks vs british and irish lions on soon
[09:14] <froud> go all blacks
[09:14] <Liz> yeah..should be a good game
[09:20] <Liz> south africa vs wallabies after this
[09:20] <Liz> go springboks
[09:21] <froud> go ama-bokke-bokke
[09:21] <froud> ama-bokke-bokke=Springboks
[09:21] <Liz> cool..ill remember that
[09:22] <Liz> well..i wont really..i have very short term memory sometimes..heh
[09:22] <froud> Hmm a Linux chick that digs rugga
[09:22] <Liz> you taken note of the cricket fiasco?
[09:22] <Liz> between nz and zimbabwe
[09:22] <froud> no dont like cricket
[09:22] <froud> what happened
[09:22] <Liz> my dad is a rugby fanatic...i grew up in that
[09:22] <Liz> watched every game..every replay...on every channel
[09:23] <froud> makes sense if you're a kwiwi
[09:23] <Liz> oh..zimbabwe's leader is considered a dictator now, and has invited the nz cricket team to tour there
[09:23] <froud> rugga is a religion
[09:23] <Liz> but nz has denied visas to the zimbabwe cricket team
[09:23] <froud> ha ha ha
[09:23] <froud> ha ha
[09:23] <Liz> as a protest against his rule
[09:23] <froud> lol
[09:24] <froud> yeah old robert is seriously pickled
[09:24] <Liz> he reminds me of castro
[09:24] <froud> sooner he dies the better
[09:24] <Liz> saw a replay on his interview with barb walters a week ago
[09:24] <Liz> well someones gotta shoot him .eventually
[09:24] <froud> and th eking of swaziland who has 13 or 14 wives
[09:25] <Liz> polyandry isnt anything new tho
[09:25] <froud> while his people suffer
[09:25] <Liz> arab princes have that many wives
[09:25] <froud> he live th elife
[09:25] <Liz> i dont blame them in a way
[09:25] <Liz> you always want what you didnt have growing up
[09:25] <Liz> so once you get it..you just go all out 
[09:25] <froud> yeah but that mentality treats women like animals
[09:26] <Liz> its always been that way tho in some cultures froud
[09:26] <froud> the status of women in those places is zero, it sucks
[09:26] <froud> I know I live here remember and also lived in the middle east
[09:27] <Liz> it sucks, but not much you can do about it 
[09:27] <Liz> its a slow slow slow process
[09:28] <froud> yeah, good news is South Africa now has a female vice-president
[09:28] <froud> we have a stong drive over hear for the empowerment of women
[09:28] <Liz> hows that going to help?
[09:28] <Liz> well..fingers crossed
[09:29] <Liz> i know indira ghandi did the same thing when she ws in power
[09:29] <froud> women need to be empowered to play a role in driving the economy
[09:29] <Liz> and it did help the women in her country
[09:29] <Liz> for a while
[09:29] <Liz> try to all blacks !
[09:29] <Liz> score is 11-7 to us
[09:29] <froud> shit I can't see
[09:30] <froud> ok liz running commentary
[09:30] <froud> go girl
[09:30] <Liz> lol
[09:30] <Liz> and its converted
[09:30] <Liz> go watch the game froud 
[09:30] <Liz> im going over there to watch it
[09:30] <froud> cant
[09:31] <Liz> :(
[09:31] <froud> on the women thang
[09:31] <froud> here in Africa we really need to have more women in executive and leadership positions
[09:32] <froud> and we need to change our culture
[09:32] <froud> its the only way to bring down the rate of domestic abuse and rape in the country
[09:33] <Liz> http://www.herhands.com/ <-- ever read this book?
[09:33] <Liz> tho you probably havent, it only came out this year
[09:33] <froud> no I never read anything excpt computer books :-)
[09:33] <froud> I know I need help
[09:33] <Liz> talks about how women in different countries, actually have a 'community bank account' where they can make money to provide for their family
[09:34] <Liz> all from craft6
[09:34] <Liz> its really heartbreaking to know how much they earn and how much they go through just to make money to feed their family
[09:34] <froud> yeah while the men drink the money away
[09:35] <froud> many women here can't read
[09:35] <Liz> while the men that are there, spend theirs on stuff for themselves
[09:35] <Liz> that wasnt in all countries..just some of them
[09:35] <froud> yeah
[09:35] <froud> I do some work in the rural areas
[09:35] <froud> its shocking the way life is
[09:36] <froud> even though I grew up here, I never got accustomed to seeing women working the fields with babies on their back while the men sit under a tree and talk
[09:36] <Liz> but those women dont complain..they just get on with it and do what needs to be done
[09:37] <froud> they know better than to complain
[09:37] <Liz> true
[09:37] <Liz> another sad fact
[09:37] <froud> or face a stick
[09:37] <Liz> i went through spousal abuse..once
[09:38] <froud> sorry to hear that
[09:38] <Liz> no man hits me and thinks he can get away with it
[09:38] <Liz> dont be..was a long time ago
[09:38] <froud> ata girl
[09:38] <Liz> i try to help women in the same situation when i can
[09:39] <Liz> penalty kick to lions
[09:39] <Liz> 13 -10 to allblacks
[09:39] <froud> over here we are starting to build the structures to help them. th elaw has also changed, but not enough yet
[09:39] <froud> arrh
[09:40] <Liz> its gonna be hard to break the religion part of that behavour too
[09:40] <Liz> where women are considered "property"
[09:40] <froud> In the middle east particularly
[09:40] <Liz> penalty kick to all blacks now
[09:40] <froud> sssshhhh
[09:40] <Liz> 16 - 10
[09:41] <froud> yay
[09:41] <Liz> 12 mins remaining
[09:41] <froud> go all balcks
[09:41] <Liz> hehe
[09:41] <Liz> im sure you'll see the replay
[09:41] <froud> later today
[09:41] <Liz> i wont spoil the second half for you tehn
[09:41] <Liz> heh
[09:42] <Liz> both teams are temperamental today
[09:42] <Liz> second fight
[09:42] <Liz> another penalty to the lions
[09:43] <Liz> 16 - 13
[09:44] <Liz> ok..im gonna go
[09:44] <Liz> the boy is nagging me..he wants to log on and talk to his friends
[09:44] <Liz> i really gotta build his own machine
[09:45] <Liz> bye all
[09:59] <froud> when building packages how to I bump up the part of the version number after the - for example 0.1-X
[10:17] <froud> jeffsch: ping
[10:20] <froud> jeffsch: I change the html.stylesheet param to <xsl:param name="html.stylesheet" select="'/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/kde-default.css'"/>
[10:20] <froud> in my next build it will use this value for resolving the stylesheets
[10:21] <froud> jeffsch: but this assumes a KDE system