[12:11] evening all [12:14] salut [12:14] hi there === mdke watches his browser crash on froud's commits [12:14] I forgot about the meeting yesterday [12:15] np, catch the log? [12:15] read the summary [12:15] ok i haven't got there yet === mdke waits for his browser to uncrash [12:15] happened to see the summary in the recent changes on the wiki [12:16] thoughts? [12:16] looks good [12:16] yeah i thought it was a good meeting [12:16] the style guide has little interest to me, to be honest [12:16] I am glad someone else has done it [12:16] i think it is fairly important [12:17] geez my browser is actually still crashed [12:17] froud is using svn to store the whole kde archive or something [12:17] what do you use for mail? [12:17] just reading it in webmail right now [12:18] but normally i use evolution [12:19] i xkilled the browser [12:19] his commit is 2.2MB [12:19] just the commit log [12:21] ah i see jerome had gone in for some comedy in the meeting summary [12:21] nice touch [12:23] burgs [12:23] http://www.marzocca.net/linux/baobab.html === Burgundavia senses an Ubuntu screenshot [12:24] did you see my latest post to the planet? [12:24] will check [12:25] ok [12:26] i met some Ubuntu people today [12:27] it was nice [12:27] at the edubuntu summit? [12:27] yes [12:27] how was the summit? [12:27] pretty good [12:27] a bit disorganised [12:27] not surprised [12:27] because basically it was a lot of different groups sharing experiences of things [12:28] but it was very interesting for me, as an observer, and I think useful for them [12:28] I think edubuntu is going to be one of biggest growth places for ubuntu [12:28] the most incredible thing is that I didn't realise the scope and success of existing projects [12:28] skolelinux and others? [12:28] guadalinex seem to dominate the school market in andalucia [12:28] are we talking merging all the existing projects into edubuntu? [12:28] they have 200,000 installations [12:29] in norway skolelinux are rocking too [12:29] erm not merging, but guadalinex will be derived from ubuntu [12:29] skolelinux is debian based [12:29] already is, I thought [12:29] cool [12:29] for next release they intend to be [12:29] anyway, I have to run [12:30] okies [12:30] me too [12:30] bed [12:30] I was supposed to be at my brothers an hour ago [12:30] ok have fun === njal [~neil@dsl-80-43-130-7.access.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:10] lo === ealden [~ealden@219.90.91.60] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-117.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Liz [~Liz@static-203-87-81-158.nsw.chariot.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [~ealden@219.90.91.60] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Armon [chaos@cpe-24-164-165-251.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Armon [chaos@cpe-24-164-165-251.hvc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === froud [~sean@ndn-165-143-84.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:19] African Greetings [08:24] kiwi greetings froud [08:26] :-) [08:31] a question re the moodle site [08:31] sure [08:32] the glossary [08:32] is there a way to get it to have the two meanings for the one work listed in there? [08:32] for example..reading a sentence that used the word "case" [08:33] it throws the context of the sentence out, if you believe the meaning it gives there on the word "case" [08:34] we would have to speak to ryan he can change that part [08:35] couple of the questions throw me as well, cause its not mentioend at all in the text given [08:36] OK, so what we shoul do is you send me the stuff by mail and I will talk to ryan [08:36] try give urls [08:37] that way we know where you found the problems [08:37] the moodle is a backend website under the forrest [08:37] I don't admin that part [08:37] just the frontend stuff [08:38] ok..im just going through it again to double check ..just in case i did miss it [08:38] but i didnt [08:38] anything in the repository that is docbook I can do [08:38] i havaent even started on the docbook stuff..though i did d/l it some time ago [08:38] He he its a big set of docs [08:38] its huge [08:39] we have a fork here at ubuntu [08:39] so we can custom the material for ubuntu [08:39] yes it took 6 people 7 months to do :-) [08:40] im sure everything i have re docbook and the ubuntu docs is out of date [08:40] yes it is [08:40] oneday I must go through it and update [08:41] oh rats..i cant get back into the quizz cause ive already done them 5 times [08:43] morning all === mdke growls at froud [08:44] morning grumpy [08:44] what's your problem today [08:44] i got a 2.2MB email yesterday [08:44] he he upstream vendor drop [08:44] I did say, "Silence will be interpreted as consent" [08:45] and a week later with silence I did it [08:46] was the question "should I do a kde vendor drop?" or "should I send an enormous email?" [08:46] joking aside, looks like kde do lots of good work on their docs? [08:46] yes very good [08:47] different approach [08:47] that's cool [08:47] in kde all docs are free for all work on [08:47] in gnome you must ask the maintainer [08:47] so in KDE more things get done [08:47] hmm [08:48] but kde is big [08:48] and has a good system [08:48] also lauri watts is brilliant [08:48] i don't know whether the gnome doc project just like to leave their webpages out of date to give the impression that the project is dead, or whether it is actually dead [08:48] she is a hard cookie [08:48] well they have been running on sun [08:49] now sun moved out, they have problems [08:49] sun moved out? [08:49] but I am sure they will pick it up again [08:49] i thought they didn't [08:49] yes, they, the technical writer, have too much work on other projects [08:49] in any case, sun probably didn't write up to date docs [08:49] s/writer/writers [08:49] cos they don't use new versions of gnome [08:50] dude, sun did a huge amount [08:50] maybe they did a lot on 2.6 docs [08:50] solaris uses 2.6 iirc [08:50] thanks to sun that many apps have manual [08:50] that is good i guess [08:51] some apps don't get out of date quickly [08:51] if it was not for sun gnome docs would practically not exist [08:51] hmm [08:51] i wonder whether they attract contributors or not [08:51] a few [08:52] now why do you think ppl at ubuntu are so eager for us to work with upstream :-) [08:52] I think we should [08:53] 1 person is keen froud [08:53] and he hasn't done any work at least since I arrived 4 months ago [08:54] it would be nice to help gnome docs, maybe I will do some later, but right now we don't have enough people contributing to the gnome side === jeffsch [~jeffsch@fatwire-201-201.uniserve.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:55] but at the same time if defocuses us [08:55] and the way gnome has setup cvs makes it hard to get all the docs in one place [08:55] in gnome each app has docs with it [08:55] in kde the docs are all in one folder [08:55] and its easy now because KDE uses svn [08:55] I thin kubuntu also want and svn [08:55] he he [08:55] well ther eyou go [08:55] as you know I am focused on Kubuntu, at least until breezy is released [08:56] news is we now have a debian that you can build [08:56] hey jeffsch [08:56] I will start uploading debs at lnix/~froud from today [08:56] hey [08:56] di dyou get my mail [08:56] yeah. but i had too many castle lagers to understand it [08:57] Castle [08:57] i sent something back, hope it makes sense [08:57] that's South African stuff [08:57] why is there more on KDE and not GNOME? [08:57] i checked out gnome cvs yesterday [08:57] chemicals dude, pure chemicals [08:57] it is incredibly disorganised [08:57] yeah. i saw it in the beer store, so i had to get it [08:57] tho..the documentation in GNOME is not that good [08:58] Liz: come to kde darling [08:58] jeffsch: you guys should really see the new kde-systemsettings [08:58] KControl is being relaced in Kubuntu [08:58] i used to use kde [08:58] bah. kde. [08:58] but i prefer gnome [08:58] its just ..prettier [08:59] i tried kde. now i use gnome [08:59] NO WAY [08:59] kde feels falt and clunky to me [08:59] kde is light years ahead [08:59] fat that is [08:59] it is slower [08:59] gnome is simpler and less cluttered IMO [08:59] pah [08:59] kde is good though [08:59] kde is good [08:59] dudes kde is so way ahead [08:59] checkout DCOP [08:59] script the desktop [08:59] i use gnome except for kate and konversation [09:00] you guys tried DCOP? [09:00] the k's turn me off [09:00] is DCOP KDE? if so, why isn't it DKOP? [09:00] who cares about the k's when the apps are solid [09:01] there is KDCOP [09:01] DCOP for console [09:01] KDCOP for gui === froud says a prayer for lost gnome soles [09:02] dig dig [09:02] frous: that's souls, not soles. :) [09:02] no soles [09:02] oops, s/frous/froud [09:02] as in gnome foot [09:02] pun [09:03] aahh, hehe [09:03] one thing about kde development is that I find them very freindly [09:03] and not so religious [09:03] the chaps at kde have also recognized documentation in their goals [09:04] i gtg [09:04] without anyone of us pushing it [09:04] going to the cricket [09:04] bye [09:04] have a good day yall [09:04] ciao mdke [09:09] he cool the kubuntu doc deb works [09:13] email sent froud [09:13] thanks [09:13] all blacks vs british and irish lions on soon [09:14] go all blacks [09:14] yeah..should be a good game === ealden [~ealden@219.90.91.60] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:20] south africa vs wallabies after this [09:20] go springboks [09:21] go ama-bokke-bokke [09:21] ama-bokke-bokke=Springboks [09:21] cool..ill remember that [09:22] well..i wont really..i have very short term memory sometimes..heh [09:22] Hmm a Linux chick that digs rugga [09:22] you taken note of the cricket fiasco? [09:22] between nz and zimbabwe [09:22] no dont like cricket [09:22] what happened [09:22] my dad is a rugby fanatic...i grew up in that [09:22] watched every game..every replay...on every channel [09:23] makes sense if you're a kwiwi [09:23] oh..zimbabwe's leader is considered a dictator now, and has invited the nz cricket team to tour there [09:23] rugga is a religion [09:23] but nz has denied visas to the zimbabwe cricket team [09:23] ha ha ha [09:23] ha ha [09:23] as a protest against his rule [09:23] lol [09:24] yeah old robert is seriously pickled [09:24] he reminds me of castro [09:24] sooner he dies the better [09:24] saw a replay on his interview with barb walters a week ago [09:24] well someones gotta shoot him .eventually [09:24] and th eking of swaziland who has 13 or 14 wives [09:25] polyandry isnt anything new tho [09:25] while his people suffer [09:25] arab princes have that many wives [09:25] he live th elife [09:25] i dont blame them in a way [09:25] you always want what you didnt have growing up [09:25] so once you get it..you just go all out [09:25] yeah but that mentality treats women like animals [09:26] its always been that way tho in some cultures froud [09:26] the status of women in those places is zero, it sucks [09:26] I know I live here remember and also lived in the middle east [09:27] it sucks, but not much you can do about it [09:27] its a slow slow slow process [09:28] yeah, good news is South Africa now has a female vice-president [09:28] we have a stong drive over hear for the empowerment of women [09:28] hows that going to help? [09:28] well..fingers crossed [09:29] i know indira ghandi did the same thing when she ws in power [09:29] women need to be empowered to play a role in driving the economy [09:29] and it did help the women in her country [09:29] for a while [09:29] try to all blacks ! [09:29] score is 11-7 to us [09:29] shit I can't see [09:30] ok liz running commentary [09:30] go girl [09:30] lol [09:30] and its converted [09:30] go watch the game froud [09:30] im going over there to watch it [09:30] cant [09:31] :( [09:31] on the women thang [09:31] here in Africa we really need to have more women in executive and leadership positions [09:32] and we need to change our culture [09:32] its the only way to bring down the rate of domestic abuse and rape in the country [09:33] http://www.herhands.com/ <-- ever read this book? [09:33] tho you probably havent, it only came out this year [09:33] no I never read anything excpt computer books :-) [09:33] I know I need help [09:33] talks about how women in different countries, actually have a 'community bank account' where they can make money to provide for their family [09:34] all from craft6 [09:34] its really heartbreaking to know how much they earn and how much they go through just to make money to feed their family [09:34] yeah while the men drink the money away [09:35] many women here can't read [09:35] while the men that are there, spend theirs on stuff for themselves [09:35] that wasnt in all countries..just some of them [09:35] yeah [09:35] I do some work in the rural areas [09:35] its shocking the way life is [09:36] even though I grew up here, I never got accustomed to seeing women working the fields with babies on their back while the men sit under a tree and talk [09:36] but those women dont complain..they just get on with it and do what needs to be done [09:37] they know better than to complain [09:37] true [09:37] another sad fact [09:37] or face a stick [09:37] i went through spousal abuse..once [09:38] sorry to hear that [09:38] no man hits me and thinks he can get away with it [09:38] dont be..was a long time ago [09:38] ata girl [09:38] i try to help women in the same situation when i can [09:39] penalty kick to lions [09:39] 13 -10 to allblacks [09:39] over here we are starting to build the structures to help them. th elaw has also changed, but not enough yet [09:39] arrh [09:40] its gonna be hard to break the religion part of that behavour too [09:40] where women are considered "property" [09:40] In the middle east particularly [09:40] penalty kick to all blacks now [09:40] sssshhhh [09:40] 16 - 10 [09:41] yay [09:41] 12 mins remaining [09:41] go all balcks [09:41] hehe [09:41] im sure you'll see the replay [09:41] later today [09:41] i wont spoil the second half for you tehn [09:41] heh [09:42] both teams are temperamental today [09:42] second fight [09:42] another penalty to the lions [09:43] 16 - 13 [09:44] ok..im gonna go [09:44] the boy is nagging me..he wants to log on and talk to his friends [09:44] i really gotta build his own machine [09:45] bye all [09:59] when building packages how to I bump up the part of the version number after the - for example 0.1-X [10:17] jeffsch: ping [10:20] jeffsch: I change the html.stylesheet param to [10:20] in my next build it will use this value for resolving the stylesheets [10:21] jeffsch: but this assumes a KDE system === ealden [~ealden@219.90.91.60] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc