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| ivoks | bad bad movie :( | 12:02 |
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| Burgundavia | which one? | 12:02 |
| ivoks | wars of the worlds? | 12:03 |
| ivoks | or something like that | 12:03 |
| ivoks | spilberg's | 12:03 |
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| siretart | hi | 12:14 |
| Burgundavia | salut | 12:14 |
| siretart | could anyone please try out the recover pw feature of revu? | 12:14 |
| siretart | it works for me, but I would like to have it tested by someone else | 12:15 |
| siretart | noone here :( | 12:18 |
| Burgundavia | sorry, I have no access to revu, otherwise I would test it | 12:18 |
| kiko-afk | what is this revu thing I keep hearing about? | 12:20 |
| tseng | kiko-afk: it is the end-all! | 12:21 |
| tseng | siretart rocks | 12:21 |
| tseng | kiko-afk: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ | 12:21 |
| === Burgundavia is suprised and not that debian didn't think up something similra | ||
| tseng | Burgundavia: mentors.d.o? | 12:21 |
| siretart | tseng: it works for you? do you think the implemenatation is sane? | 12:21 |
| tseng | ill try it | 12:21 |
| tseng | mentors.debian.net/ rather | 12:22 |
| tseng | haha @ powered by ubuntu logo | 12:22 |
| kiko-afk | that is so cool | 12:23 |
| tseng | kiko-afk: it gets better every day | 12:24 |
| tseng | i need to give it a second pass of CSS love | 12:24 |
| siretart | yeah. I doesn't need me anymore for creating accounts :) | 12:24 |
| tseng | my first sucks | 12:24 |
| Burgundavia | tseng, but I see no effort to make that part of the official debian stuff, revu is | 12:24 |
| tseng | siretart: ok | 12:25 |
| \sh | back from amu :) | 12:25 |
| tseng | siretart: recovering by logging in with my unknown password is unituitive | 12:25 |
| tseng | siretart: please make the link always visible | 12:25 |
| siretart | now I suffices that I add the key to the keyring. | 12:25 |
| siretart | now it suffices | 12:25 |
| siretart | tseng: hm. how can I guess what user is trying to recover his pw? | 12:26 |
| tseng | the put in their email | 12:26 |
| tseng | on another page | 12:26 |
| tseng | this is how every site ever does it | 12:26 |
| tseng | for a reason :) | 12:26 |
| tseng | oh man | 12:27 |
| siretart | err, huh? | 12:27 |
| tseng | it gives me a gpg crypted password? | 12:27 |
| siretart | yep! :) | 12:27 |
| tseng | i guess thats liveable | 12:28 |
| siretart | I wanted to mock around with popen anyway *g* | 12:28 |
| tseng | forcing people to use gpg is part of the motu process | 12:28 |
| tseng | but can you put text in that page | 12:28 |
| tseng | telling me wtf to do with this weird looking block of text | 12:29 |
| tseng | (imagine i didnt know) | 12:29 |
| siretart | will add explanation. wait | 12:29 |
| tseng | thanks | 12:29 |
| tseng | oh you could use javascript | 12:30 |
| tseng | for the recover bit | 12:30 |
| tseng | if Login: isnt filled in, make a warning | 12:30 |
| === siretart is javascriptophob | ||
| tseng | er | 12:31 |
| tseng | ok | 12:31 |
| siretart | sorry, I'm clueless with java script | 12:32 |
| tseng | i could do it | 12:32 |
| tseng | but im not in a coding mood after work lately | 12:32 |
| tseng | right now im in more of a nap mood | 12:33 |
| tseng | or rag on other peoples ui'd | 12:33 |
| tseng | ui's | 12:33 |
| siretart | ok | 12:35 |
| siretart | narf, now I broke it :/ | 12:35 |
| schweeb | what up guys | 12:38 |
| siretart | hi schweeb | 12:38 |
| schweeb | I'm pondering making an attempt to update my gsf-sharp package right now | 12:41 |
| schweeb | but the lazy is strong after this week at work | 12:42 |
| tseng | go | 12:42 |
| tseng | and fix gmime too, since its your package | 12:42 |
| schweeb | stupid datacenter crash | 12:42 |
| schweeb | h4n | 12:42 |
| schweeb | no, it's not mine, bish | 12:42 |
| tseng | it is because i said so | 12:42 |
| tseng | i have a new tactic to my war on mono api instability | 12:43 |
| tseng | "fix my shit or ill demote you all to universe" | 12:43 |
| tseng | ill do it too | 12:43 |
| siretart | ;) | 12:44 |
| \sh | someones shot dead | 12:44 |
| \sh | that's for sure | 12:44 |
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| \sh | and now...off to bed:) | 12:48 |
| siretart | good idea. gn8 \sh_away | 12:49 |
| schweeb | tseng's getting all high on his newfound power | 12:51 |
| tseng | schweeb: i have power? | 12:51 |
| schweeb | the demotion of the mono pkgs | 12:52 |
| tseng | anyway i cant support unfrozen api's for 6 months | 12:52 |
| tseng | ill never hear the end of it | 12:52 |
| tseng | i already took shit for the last 6 months for it not working with beagle etc | 12:52 |
| schweeb | heh | 12:53 |
| schweeb | mostly shit from whiprush, surely | 12:53 |
| tseng | nope | 12:54 |
| tseng | all over the place | 12:54 |
| schweeb | well, I'll give you shit about it on principal | 01:02 |
| schweeb | principle | 01:02 |
| siretart | good night, folks | 01:24 |
| tseng | bye siretart | 01:45 |
| tseng | we need to get into more compatible timezones | 01:45 |
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| ajmitch | hi | 02:25 |
| tseng | hi | 02:25 |
| ajmitch | what's new with mono? | 02:26 |
| tseng | i am going to kick people around soon | 02:26 |
| ajmitch | sweet | 02:27 |
| tseng | ajmitch: gtk-sharp2 is "unstable" | 02:27 |
| tseng | ajmitch: aka no api stabilitiy | 02:27 |
| tseng | ajmitch: this needs to change, now | 02:27 |
| ajmitch | so you're going to talk to upstream? | 02:27 |
| tseng | i did | 02:27 |
| tseng | miguel left | 02:28 |
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| tseng | he said we will discuss on ml | 02:28 |
| tseng | about freezes etc | 02:28 |
| ajmitch | so we hope like hell that things freeze in time for breezy stability | 02:29 |
| tseng | sure | 02:30 |
| tseng | or i demote it | 02:30 |
| tseng | which would be lame | 02:30 |
| tseng | and i would look like a dumbass | 02:30 |
| ajmitch | which would disappoint users a bit | 02:30 |
| ajmitch | but they can handle it | 02:30 |
| ajmitch | as long as they're not installing crack from source | 02:31 |
| tseng | well the final dates are in September | 02:31 |
| tseng | which is fine for universe | 02:31 |
| tseng | i need alot sooner for main | 02:31 |
| tseng | aka, now | 02:34 |
| ajmitch | right | 02:35 |
| tseng | and im not happy with beagle either | 02:36 |
| ajmitch | too many bugs? | 02:36 |
| tseng | for main, yes | 02:36 |
| ajmitch | I don't think I've seen it successfully index my data here before I had to kill it | 02:37 |
| ajmitch | ~900MB mem usage was getting a bit high | 02:37 |
| tseng | you dont have 3gb of ram? | 02:37 |
| ajmitch | sadly not yet | 02:38 |
| ajmitch | maybe once I get that quad-opteron box & load it up with RAM | 02:39 |
| ajmitch | then I might be able to use beagle | 02:39 |
| ajmitch | I really shouldn't get behind on debian-devel & ubuntu-devel mail | 02:50 |
| ajmitch | only about a thousand unread at the moment | 02:50 |
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| mae | i only have 1gb.. bastards. | 03:42 |
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| \sh | moins | 10:29 |
| mitsuhiko | moin | 10:43 |
| siretart | moin | 10:43 |
| \sh | looks like someone censored my article about the weekend ;) or actually my pic wasn't office compatible ,-) | 11:01 |
| JanC | siretart : "0k" looks a lot like "Ok", maybe you better place a space between value & the unit multiplication prefix | 11:03 |
| JanC | e.g. on this page: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=35 | 11:03 |
| siretart | hm. | 11:06 |
| JanC | oh, and are those decimal (1 kB = 1000 bytes) or binary (1 KiB = 1024 bytes) unit multipliers ? :) | 11:06 |
| siretart | return '%dk' % ( s.st_size / 1024 ) | 11:07 |
| siretart | from the source.. | 11:07 |
| JanC | so you use the wrong prefix ;-) | 11:08 |
| siretart | is this better? | 11:08 |
| JanC | it's betetr readable yes | 11:09 |
| siretart | ok. no 0k anymore. the information was partly useful anyway | 11:09 |
| ajmitch | hi | 11:11 |
| JanC | if you need a pointer about kB vs. KiB: http://www.iec.ch/zone/si/si_bytes.htm | 11:11 |
| siretart | JanC: happy now? ;) | 11:16 |
| JanC | siretart : no, unlike with the decimal prefixes it's "Ki", not "ki" ;-) | 11:25 |
| siretart | ah, ok :) | 11:25 |
| JanC | see the examples on the site I gave | 11:26 |
| siretart | fixed | 11:26 |
| JanC | and there is also an explanation in the kernel sources somewhere IIRC :) | 11:26 |
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| dholbach | goood morning, motu-land! | 11:27 |
| ajmitch | hey dholbach! | 11:28 |
| dholbach | hey andrew | 11:28 |
| ajmitch | how are you? | 11:28 |
| dholbach | i'm fine, thank you | 11:28 |
| dholbach | just writing the new MOTU report :) | 11:28 |
| dholbach | how are you? | 11:29 |
| ajmitch | I'm alright | 11:29 |
| ajmitch | anything interesting in the report? | 11:29 |
| dholbach | we have two new MOTUs, we have REVU, we worked quite a lot on C++ stuff and had our review day | 11:30 |
| dholbach | that's all i could think of | 11:30 |
| siretart | hi dholbach :) | 11:30 |
| ajmitch | still quite a lot :) | 11:30 |
| dholbach | hey siretart | 11:30 |
| dholbach | siretart: how are you? | 11:32 |
| dholbach | siretart: learning? :-p | 11:32 |
| siretart | dholbach: still fixing revu ;) | 11:33 |
| siretart | need to write some more.. yeah | 11:33 |
| dholbach | oh yes... was your Studienarbeit, right? | 11:34 |
| siretart | jepps | 11:34 |
| ajmitch | ? | 11:36 |
| siretart | ajmitch: studienarbeit is like a small thesis.. | 11:38 |
| ajmitch | ok | 11:38 |
| siretart | approx. 40p | 11:38 |
| ajmitch | fun :) | 11:39 |
| ajmitch | you've done a good job on revu though | 11:40 |
| siretart | thanks :) | 11:40 |
| siretart | dholbach: did you see, debdiffing now works. proble is, it only works on uploads with orig.tar.gz included | 11:40 |
| \sh | siretart: native packages u can't debdiff...u have to sourceupload them anyways... | 11:43 |
| siretart | didn't try this yet.. hmm | 11:44 |
| dholbach | siretart: it's awesome | 11:44 |
| siretart | native packages are ugly anyway :/ | 11:44 |
| dholbach | siretart: do you do the debdiff on .dsc? | 11:45 |
| dholbach | morning \sh | 11:45 |
| \sh | hey dholbach | 11:45 |
| ajmitch | funny, I thought debdiff of native packages worked.. | 11:45 |
| dholbach | it does | 11:46 |
| siretart | dholbach: yepp. | 11:46 |
| dholbach | native packages should be fine then | 11:46 |
| \sh | ajmitch: i tried it last time, and it didn't work, cause the native package changed as well, e.g. from package_1.2-0ubuntu1.tar.gz to package_1.2-0ubuntu2.tar.gz | 11:46 |
| ajmitch | \sh: a native package with a debian version? | 11:46 |
| \sh | ajmitch: yes, but without a .orig.tar.gz | 11:47 |
| dholbach | \sh: did you run debdiff bla1.dsc bla2.dsc ? | 11:47 |
| \sh | w8...i will get an example | 11:47 |
| \sh | dholbach: yups | 11:47 |
| siretart | are any ion3 users here? | 11:48 |
| ajmitch | you could grab the latest version that is in the archive to compare against | 11:49 |
| ajmitch | for revu, that is :) | 11:49 |
| siretart | ajmitch: yes, I've been thinking about it. and it would be possible | 11:49 |
| ajmitch | trivial, in fact :) | 11:50 |
| siretart | ajmitch: could you write an shellscript, which gets as parameter the directory with the uploaded source package fetching the sourcepackage from the archive? | 11:50 |
| ajmitch | probably | 11:50 |
| ajmitch | I've got scripts that I've wrote that do similar | 11:50 |
| siretart | that would be great | 11:51 |
| \sh | gdome2-xslt | 11:52 |
| ajmitch | most of it is handled by 'apt-get source packagename' | 11:52 |
| siretart | hm. if it doesn use /etc/apt as config and works in sarge, that'll be great | 11:52 |
| \sh | shermann@shermann-laptop:~/breezy/transistion/danieln/gdome2-xslt$ debdiff gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7.dsc gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7ubuntu1.dsc | 11:53 |
| \sh | diff: /tmp/xBMfPWNujM/gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7.tar.gz: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden | 11:53 |
| \sh | diff: /tmp/T5RuKPRXn2/gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7ubuntu1.tar.gz: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden | 11:53 |
| \sh | as an example of an native package with debian version | 11:53 |
| ajmitch | siretart: ah, now that's something different ;) | 11:53 |
| ajmitch | siretart: I might have to use my python script for that | 11:53 |
| siretart | I was thinking of some grep-dctrl magic, but python would be fine too | 11:54 |
| ajmitch | that would work also | 11:55 |
| dholbach | sent the report | 11:56 |
| \sh | dholbach: or did I miss something with debdiff? | 11:56 |
| dholbach | \sh: just a sec | 11:56 |
| === ajmitch doesn't have 0.0.6-7 to play with | ||
| \sh | ajmitch: get it from debian ;) | 11:57 |
| ajmitch | that requires far too much work :P | 11:58 |
| \sh | ajmitch: lazy ;) | 11:58 |
| ajmitch | :) | 11:58 |
| \sh | I think in the next couple of weeks I will get mail from lycos europe | 11:58 |
| ajmitch | why? | 11:59 |
| \sh | oh I revealed some secrets ;) | 11:59 |
| ajmitch | debdiff on gdome2-xslat works for me | 11:59 |
| \sh | secrets that only an ex-employee does know ;) | 12:00 |
| ajmitch | pff | 12:00 |
| \sh | ajmitch: how? | 12:00 |
| ajmitch | by debdiff gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7.dsc gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7ubuntu1.dsc | 12:00 |
| ajmitch | -Package: libgdome2-xslt0 | 12:00 |
| ajmitch | +Package: libgdome2-xslt0c2 | 12:00 |
| ajmitch | maybe you have broken debdiff? : | 12:00 |
| \sh | so why is it not working here | 12:00 |
| \sh | This is debdiff, from the Debian devscripts package, version 2.8.14 | 12:01 |
| ajmitch | same version here | 12:01 |
| \sh | strange | 12:02 |
| \sh | ah which diff r u using? | 12:02 |
| ajmitch | diff --version | 12:03 |
| ajmitch | diff (GNU diffutils) 2.8.1 | 12:03 |
| dholbach | oh cool: http://slamich.free.fr/f.html | 12:03 |
| \sh | interdiff? | 12:03 |
| === ajmitch shrugs | ||
| \sh | no i mean together with debdiff? | 12:03 |
| ajmitch | I'm just running debdiff as I pasted | 12:03 |
| dholbach | somebody translated UbuntuWorldWide to the googlemaps api | 12:03 |
| \sh | ajmitch: patchutils installed? | 12:03 |
| ajmitch | of course | 12:04 |
| ajmitch | 0.2.30-1 | 12:04 |
| ajmitch | this was done on my slightly-out-of-date breezy box | 12:04 |
| \sh | i have 0.2.31-1 | 12:04 |
| ajmitch | I'll retry on my main one | 12:04 |
| ajmitch | debdiff ~/debian/sid/tmp/gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7.dsc gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7ubuntu1.dsc | 12:05 |
| ajmitch | diff: /tmp/MBbwFw2BoU/gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7.tar.gz: No such file or directory | 12:05 |
| ajmitch | yay! | 12:05 |
| ajmitch | diff: /tmp/riib87ZcwD/gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7ubuntu1.tar.gz: No such file or directory | 12:05 |
| \sh | bingo | 12:06 |
| \sh | so patchutils package is somewhat broken | 12:06 |
| \sh | let me try something | 12:07 |
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| siretart | somehow my apt-file is broken here. which package in breezy contains X11/extensions/shape.h and X11/extensions/Xext.h? | 12:08 |
| \sh | no... | 12:08 |
| \sh | libxext-dev: usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/shape.h | 12:08 |
| \sh | tendra: usr/lib/TenDRA/lib/include/x5/ext.api/X11/extensions/shape.h | 12:08 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: the map looks a little sparse :) | 12:09 |
| siretart | and what about Xext.h? | 12:09 |
| ajmitch | x11proto-xext-dev | 12:09 |
| ajmitch | which libxext-dev depends on | 12:10 |
| siretart | ok, retry | 12:10 |
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| mitsuhiko | dholbach: the map is damn cool | 12:12 |
| \sh | how can someone sell ubuntu/kubuntu cds | 12:15 |
| siretart | it's gpl, isn't it? ;) | 12:17 |
| \sh | yeah, free cds selling on ebay is quite annonying | 12:18 |
| siretart | hrhr | 12:19 |
| \sh | When I press them by myself and selling them, it's something different, but ordering ubuntu/kubuntu cds from shipit, and then selling them via ebay, it's a bit of "schmarotzer" behaviour | 12:19 |
| \sh | "schmarotzer" == parasite | 12:20 |
| dholbach | siretart: dlocate can help you there, the file apt-file downloads is mostly out-of-date - packages.ubuntu.com can help too | 12:22 |
| dholbach | siretart: or a simply grep bla /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list :) | 12:22 |
| siretart | ah. thanks :) | 12:22 |
| siretart | I'm now in dogfight with nobse, maintainer of ion3 in debian :/ | 12:22 |
| dholbach | what's wrong with him today? | 12:23 |
| siretart | but we are working now on ion3 for breezy ;) | 12:23 |
| siretart | dholbach: gnarf, first it was general trolling, he was accusing ubuntu for not sending him security related patches in vim to him | 12:24 |
| siretart | well, he is in fact | 12:24 |
| dholbach | *sigh* | 12:25 |
| siretart | does anyone know something about this issue? | 12:25 |
| dholbach | should be on the security mailing list | 12:26 |
| siretart | but now we worked together on a new ion3 upload for breezy, I'm uploading now | 12:26 |
| siretart | ok | 12:26 |
| dholbach | thats good | 12:26 |
| dholbach | :) | 12:26 |
| siretart | :) | 12:26 |
| \sh | dholbach: don't mention my name too often ;) it annoys people ,-) | 12:28 |
| ajmitch | \sh: you mean apart from that fact that you've done an awful lot lately? ;) | 12:40 |
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| abelli | hola | 12:42 |
| \sh | ajmitch: right now I'm trying to get strength back :) | 12:42 |
| \sh | ajmitch: and I have some really nasty source packages right now ;) | 12:43 |
| abelli | i need someone reputable .. | 12:43 |
| \sh | and fighting with the pykde maintainer | 12:43 |
| abelli | dholbach: where are you? | 12:43 |
| abelli | :) | 12:45 |
| \sh | abelli: whats up? :) | 12:45 |
| abelli | \sh: are you going (MOTUs) to recover ruby packages? | 12:46 |
| abelli | because debian maintainer's splitted ruby in several packages and this other than wrong is not working. | 12:46 |
| \sh | abelli: hmmm..u mean the new upload from pitti? | 12:47 |
| \sh | ruby1.8? | 12:47 |
| abelli | ohh well did he fix the whole thing? | 12:48 |
| \sh | ruby is in main :)so it's not motus work :) | 12:48 |
| \sh | Message-Id: <20050630175004.1D20637A402B@jackass.warthogs.hbd.com> on breezy-changes | 12:49 |
| abelli | Section: universe/interpreters | 12:49 |
| abelli | did they put it in main (breezy)? | 12:49 |
| abelli | dehihoooooooo | 12:49 |
| \sh | abelli: package name? | 12:49 |
| abelli | ruby | 12:49 |
| ajmitch | yep | 12:50 |
| ajmitch | breezy/main | 12:50 |
| abelli | groowwllll | 12:50 |
| abelli | ajmitch: and did pitti merged all the packages in one big fat package with all the base libs? | 12:51 |
| \sh | abelli: Binary: libreadline-ruby1.8, ruby1.8-dev, libtcltk-ruby1.8, ruby1.8-examples, libgdbm-ruby1.8, ri1.8, ruby1.8-elisp, libruby1.8-dbg, ruby1.8, libruby1.8, rdoc1.8, irb1.8, | 12:51 |
| abelli | I WANT BREEZY | 12:52 |
| \sh | abelli: ping pitti for questions about ruby, he's just on #ubuntu-devel | 12:52 |
| abelli | \sh: thanks | 12:52 |
| === \sh goes massive showering | ||
| \sh | bbl | 12:55 |
| abelli | ciao | 01:00 |
| === ajmitch regens the merge TODO list | ||
| dholbach | abelli: hm? | 01:05 |
| dholbach | i don't think pitti changed the packaging | 01:05 |
| abelli | dholbach: i thought it still was in universe .. | 01:06 |
| dholbach | abelli: and it would help, if you'd write a mail to ubuntu-devel@ and the ruby-maintainers-list | 01:06 |
| dholbach | with your concerns and complaints | 01:06 |
| abelli | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=290705 | 01:06 |
| abelli | they know it | 01:06 |
| dholbach | "inexcusable mess" is HARSH in a bug report | 01:08 |
| ajmitch | I've seen worse | 01:08 |
| dholbach | i don't know if i'd not just ignore such a bug report | 01:08 |
| abelli | dholbach: cmon .. | 01:08 |
| abelli | be nice. | 01:08 |
| abelli | fair. | 01:09 |
| dholbach | ? | 01:09 |
| abelli | it's a big mess. | 01:09 |
| dholbach | the bug report doesn't provide any solution, it just accuses the packages of producing a mess | 01:09 |
| abelli | a really big mess. | 01:09 |
| dholbach | not that i judge in favor of the package maintainers | 01:09 |
| abelli | it means that ruby can't be run on debian properly. | 01:09 |
| dholbach | if have no clue at all | 01:10 |
| abelli | now you are witnesses. | 01:10 |
| dholbach | but i'd try to figure out a solution and propose it on the appropriate lists | 01:10 |
| dholbach | witnesses? | 01:10 |
| dholbach | are we going to be instrumentalized for something? | 01:10 |
| abelli | if you do nothing .. history will judge you. :) | 01:10 |
| dholbach | MAN | 01:11 |
| dholbach | YOU! DO! SOMETHING! :) | 01:11 |
| abelli | :) .. pappa time . | 01:11 |
| abelli | bon appetit everybody .. | 01:11 |
| dholbach | i can't be described as a lazy guy :) | 01:11 |
| ajmitch | abelli: we don't use ruby, so we can't judge how best to arrange the packaging | 01:11 |
| abelli | just put everything in one Working Package :). | 01:11 |
| abelli | sorry ppl but i really got to go .. really many thanks for your attention. | 01:12 |
| dholbach | abelli: but i'm witness of your complaints, so if i ever hear them again and you didn't write a mail with a solution or an idea to the appropriate list, i will judge YOU! :) | 01:12 |
| abelli | im just a poor user .. | 01:12 |
| abelli | you're a Master .. | 01:12 |
| abelli | hit me .. :) | 01:12 |
| abelli | ciao | 01:12 |
| dholbach | bye :) | 01:12 |
| ajmitch | 'just a user'.. hah | 01:13 |
| dholbach | i meant it, i'm not going to accept random complaints over and over again :) | 01:14 |
| ajmitch | I can understand that, there's more important work to do | 01:15 |
| dholbach | he seems to have more an idea of what to do than i do :) | 01:16 |
| dholbach | and people who know the tedious work of splitting packages know that nobody does it without reason :) | 01:17 |
| ajmitch | http://ajmitch.dhis.org/debuild/ubuntu/merge-tool/current/merges | 01:19 |
| ajmitch | I'll try & put this in cron & convert it to html or something :) | 01:19 |
| ajmitch | also: http://ajmitch.dhis.org/debuild/ubuntu/merge-tool/current/rfp | 01:19 |
| ajmitch | which may not take into account non-free & contrib in debian | 01:19 |
| ajmitch | which I have to sort out | 01:19 |
| dholbach | excellent work, andrew | 01:22 |
| siretart | ajmitch: excellent! | 01:23 |
| ajmitch | it was done awhile ago | 01:23 |
| dholbach | i'll link to those on UniversePackages | 01:23 |
| siretart | ajmitch: how often is this updated? | 01:23 |
| dholbach | and put it on MOTUTOdo as well | 01:23 |
| ajmitch | siretart: currently as often as I feel like it ;) | 01:23 |
| ajmitch | I'll put it in cron | 01:23 |
| ajmitch | do you think 6, 12 or 24 hours is best? | 01:23 |
| siretart | ajmitch: when we get the server for revu we could host it there | 01:24 |
| dholbach | i meant UniverseNewPackages | 01:24 |
| \sh | xfce4 is broken? | 01:25 |
| ajmitch | siretart: sure, the script is horribly slow & written without speed in mind | 01:25 |
| ajmitch | \sh: hmm? | 01:25 |
| \sh | ajmitch: someone told me that yesterday... | 01:25 |
| ajmitch | it's been awhile since I used it | 01:26 |
| \sh | xfce4: Hngt ab: xfwm4-themes (>= 4.2.1-1) soll aber nicht installiert werden | 01:27 |
| \sh | E: Kaputte Pakete | 01:27 |
| === siretart was thinking about some worklist tool | ||
| dholbach | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo is a bit more complete now :) | 01:29 |
| siretart | you could create a worklist, with description what todo, and comment on each item (package) | 01:29 |
| siretart | to replace wiki pages like LibraryCXXTranstion | 01:29 |
| siretart | dholbach: woooh, great! :) | 01:30 |
| dholbach | :) | 01:30 |
| dholbach | now get cracking on those! :) | 01:30 |
| ajmitch | siretart: not just a wiki page :) | 01:31 |
| === siretart is not a fan of wiki pages for coordinating work | ||
| ajmitch | they get messy quickly | 01:31 |
| ajmitch | which is why revu looks so much nicer :) | 01:31 |
| dholbach | we just have to be faster ;) | 01:31 |
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| ivoks | hi all | 01:34 |
| siretart | hi ante! | 01:35 |
| ivoks | what's up? | 01:35 |
| dholbach | hey ivoks | 01:35 |
| === ivoks is taking a break while studying | ||
| ajmitch | hi ivoks | 01:37 |
| ivoks | too much numbers in too short time :) | 01:37 |
| ivoks | heh, whole gang is here | 01:37 |
| ajmitch | only a couple of us | 01:37 |
| ajmitch | there's over 20 MOTUs now, right? | 01:37 |
| dholbach | 23 :) | 01:37 |
| ivoks | could be... | 01:37 |
| ivoks | ::) | 01:38 |
| dholbach | (i believe) | 01:38 |
| siretart | does anyone still think that its necessary to allow "updating" or "replacing" uploads in revu? | 01:38 |
| siretart | it was a feature request I received several times i think | 01:38 |
| ajmitch | I think it's useful | 01:39 |
| ajmitch | since people upload, get comments, upload a fixed version | 01:39 |
| dholbach | it might be prudent to have a link to the old packages (so you can read the old comments, if there are any) | 01:39 |
| siretart | ok, so the real issue is rather to preserve comments of old uploads, yes? | 01:40 |
| ajmitch | yep | 01:40 |
| === ajmitch thinks the review list is too long already :) | ||
| siretart | hm. how about this: the index page shows only the latest upload | 01:41 |
| siretart | but on the detail pages, you always see all comments concerning a source package | 01:41 |
| ajmitch | good idea | 01:41 |
| ajmitch | keep the list as short as possible | 01:41 |
| dholbach | that sounds excellent | 01:41 |
| ajmitch | since we only need to see 1 source package, not all its versions | 01:42 |
| siretart | the problem with updating uploads is that its very difficult to detect if an upload replaces another one | 01:42 |
| ajmitch | for example some packages will need constant reviewing, as new upstream versions come out (eg smeg) | 01:42 |
| dholbach | depend on the date | 01:42 |
| ajmitch | or compare versions | 01:42 |
| siretart | and to make sure that there won't be a real mess in case of mistake | 01:42 |
| dholbach | date is easier than versions :) | 01:42 |
| ajmitch | versions is simple, use dpkg :) | 01:42 |
| ajmitch | dpkg --compare-versions | 01:43 |
| dholbach | we should really concentrate on reviewing stuff | 01:43 |
| dholbach | we might get in new MOTUs that way | 01:43 |
| dholbach | (if we're happy with their work) | 01:43 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: that's what I'm looking into now | 01:43 |
| siretart | yeah. full ack | 01:43 |
| siretart | there are already some new candidates which uploaded stuff to revu. :) | 01:44 |
| ajmitch | eg, have you fixed marlin? | 01:44 |
| dholbach | nope | 01:44 |
| ajmitch | since I noticed that'll be a candidate for a upload update :) | 01:44 |
| ivoks | so, who does uploads? | 01:45 |
| dholbach | hm? it's not in the archive yet | 01:45 |
| ivoks | archived uploads :) | 01:45 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: no, but you'll want to update the package on revu so that we can review it | 01:48 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: i didn't fix it yet | 01:48 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: it's still broken | 01:48 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: and i'm working on other stuff atm :) | 01:48 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: i shouldn't even be here :) | 01:48 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: right, I'm just talking about a use case for updating uploads on revu :) | 01:49 |
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| dholbach | ahhhhhh ok :) | 01:49 |
| ajmitch | ivoks: is wifi-radar in ubuntu yet? :) | 01:50 |
| ivoks | ajmitch: not yet :(( | 01:51 |
| dholbach | somebody needs to review it | 01:51 |
| ajmitch | ivoks: how's your gpg key troubles going? | 01:51 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: that's why I'm asking :) | 01:51 |
| dholbach | ivoks: what about UnsignedGpgKey on the wiki? | 01:51 |
| ivoks | well, mako got my signed CoC and said it's ok | 01:51 |
| ivoks | i have signed gpg | 01:51 |
| dholbach | but? | 01:52 |
| ivoks | by debian developer and PGP server maintainer :) | 01:52 |
| dholbach | so? | 01:52 |
| dholbach | did you write those mails as stated on wiki/Uploads ? | 01:52 |
| ivoks | i wrote CoC in mail, and sent signed mail | 01:52 |
| ivoks | that was a problem | 01:52 |
| ivoks | i should've sign the CoC and then send it | 01:52 |
| ivoks | i missunderstand that chapter | 01:53 |
| ajmitch | I don't think mako minds | 01:53 |
| ivoks | well, it wasn't accepted | 01:53 |
| dholbach | hm? | 01:53 |
| ivoks | untill i send signed coc in mail | 01:53 |
| ivoks | then mako said it's ok | 01:53 |
| JanC | launchpad wouldn't understand a signed mail :) | 01:53 |
| dholbach | did you read wiki/uploads? | 01:53 |
| ivoks | now i just have to get my email whitelisted | 01:53 |
| dholbach | and send mails to keyring@ and uploads@ (or howevery they are called)? | 01:53 |
| ivoks | dholbach: yeah, a month ago :) | 01:54 |
| JanC | you can upload a signed CoC through launchpad now | 01:54 |
| ajmitch | JanC: right, I did this before launchpad did CoC :) | 01:54 |
| ivoks | JanC: i tried that, allways reports error | 01:54 |
| JanC | it worked for me | 01:54 |
| dholbach | *WONDER* | 01:54 |
| ivoks | heh, i tried 3 times and gave up | 01:54 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: ivoks' mail always seems to get list somewhere :) | 01:54 |
| ivoks | lost? :) | 01:54 |
| JanC | yeah, maybe it depends on when you try :) | 01:54 |
| JanC | if the launchpad devs fixed or broke something :) | 01:55 |
| ajmitch | ivoks: hey, it's late here ;) | 01:55 |
| ivoks | :) | 01:56 |
| ivoks | no problem | 01:56 |
| ivoks | i have few typos my self :) | 01:56 |
| ivoks | and bad gramar :( | 01:56 |
| ivoks | never learned english in school :( | 01:57 |
| \sh | ivoks: doesn't matter I just talked to an aussie guy yesterday, even with my slang he understood me very well...funny, sitting at amus place, and speaking english in a german flat ;) | 01:58 |
| dholbach | :) | 01:58 |
| ajmitch | ivoks: I supposedly speak english as a first language :) | 01:58 |
| ajmitch | and you have better english than many native speakers :) | 01:59 |
| ivoks | that's said reality of USA citizens :( | 01:59 |
| ivoks | not all, of course... | 02:00 |
| \sh | ivoks: come on...forget the states...they don't speak english at all ;) | 02:01 |
| ivoks | :)) | 02:01 |
| ajmitch | I *think* dholbach managed to understand me at UDU :) | 02:02 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: absolutely :) | 02:02 |
| \sh | ivoks: and 1 week in the states or uk or downunder or za, and u speak english like a god :) | 02:02 |
| ivoks | lol, biggest laugh I had when someone proposed to do Ubuntu localization to australian :) | 02:02 |
| ivoks | za? | 02:03 |
| ivoks | zambwezi? :) | 02:03 |
| ajmitch | south africa | 02:03 |
| ivoks | za? | 02:03 |
| \sh | south africa ;) zuid afrikaa (sp?) in afrikaans | 02:03 |
| ivoks | ahhh | 02:03 |
| ivoks | right | 02:03 |
| ivoks | that's why it's D... deutschland, deutschland, uber alles... | 02:04 |
| ajmitch | NZ just has a boring name :) | 02:04 |
| \sh | ivoks: don't do that..it's making me a bit nervous :) | 02:04 |
| ivoks | heh, why? | 02:04 |
| dholbach | ivoks: where did you get that stanza of the song? | 02:04 |
| ivoks | dholbach: isn't that german national anthem? | 02:05 |
| \sh | ivoks: no | 02:05 |
| dholbach | ivoks: we absolutely don't sing that anymore | 02:05 |
| tseng | dholbach: ! | 02:05 |
| ajmitch | heh | 02:05 |
| ivoks | ok, it was :) | 02:05 |
| \sh | it was in <1945 | 02:05 |
| ivoks | sorry guys | 02:05 |
| ajmitch | with big emphasis on *was* :) | 02:05 |
| dholbach | ivoks: you touch the german national trauma there ;-) | 02:05 |
| \sh | and it's not alloweded anymore i think | 02:05 |
| ivoks | dholbach: ah, we share same trauma :( | 02:05 |
| \sh | ivoks: most of europe share it :( | 02:05 |
| ivoks | well, that was then | 02:06 |
| dholbach | ivoks: you don't have to be sorry :) | 02:06 |
| ivoks | neither of us did it, or want it | 02:06 |
| dholbach | ivoks: i even admire your "wide reading" :) | 02:06 |
| ivoks | btw, if you ask me, it's good to be pround on your country, and I would say that part with "uber alles" is in that meaning | 02:07 |
| ivoks | maybe i'm wrong, don't know history of german anthem so well | 02:07 |
| ivoks | but, let's close this topic... i don't want to revive dead that should stay dead :/ | 02:08 |
| \sh | ivoks: there is a difference between patriotism towards your own country, or so much of "I love my mothercountry that I would kill for it"...and the first stanza of this song was the latter meaning | 02:09 |
| tseng | man mako totally got me re: his passport blog | 02:09 |
| ajmitch | tseng: you had your grubby mitts all over his passport? | 02:09 |
| tseng | ajmitch: most likely | 02:09 |
| \sh | uhh | 02:09 |
| \sh | how bad | 02:09 |
| ivoks | \sh: I love my mothercountry that I would kill for it - it's worng | 02:09 |
| ivoks | wrongs | 02:09 |
| tseng | very breifly if at all | 02:10 |
| \sh | hope u didn't byte fingernails after that ,-) | 02:10 |
| tseng | no | 02:10 |
| ivoks | \sh: I love my mothercountry that I would die for it - that's something else :) | 02:10 |
| \sh | ivoks: anyways, it's not my wish to die for germany ;-) | 02:10 |
| ivoks | \sh: :) | 02:10 |
| tseng | i think that was the same night we got kicked out of the conference room | 02:10 |
| \sh | that's enough for politics today :) | 02:11 |
| ivoks | \sh: ok, just one question... right stanza would be then "deutschlan, deutschland..."? | 02:11 |
| ivoks | liebe or something? | 02:12 |
| \sh | ivoks: no.."einigkeit und recht und freiheit" 3. stanza | 02:12 |
| \sh | the 1. and 2. are not sung by anyone anymore, ok, only from neonazis | 02:12 |
| JanC | "Deutschland, Deutschland... Ubuntu" :) | 02:13 |
| ivoks | uh... sorry | 02:13 |
| dholbach | did i recently tell you, how much i like the nautilus emblems all over the place? | 02:13 |
| ivoks | thanks for clarification | 02:13 |
| dholbach | they make the desktop look SO fancy | 02:14 |
| === tseng hates fancy | ||
| ivoks | do you think ubuntu needs profi designer to design interface? | 02:14 |
| ajmitch | they make it un-boring | 02:14 |
| tseng | profi? | 02:14 |
| ajmitch | ivoks: like mpt? | 02:14 |
| ivoks | proffesional | 02:14 |
| tseng | we have one | 02:14 |
| ivoks | we do? | 02:14 |
| ajmitch | well, mpt is a UI guy | 02:14 |
| ivoks | oh, ok | 02:14 |
| ivoks | but he does only gtk/gdm themes, right? | 02:15 |
| ivoks | icons, etc... | 02:15 |
| tseng | no, he does usability testing | 02:15 |
| tseng | andyfitz does art | 02:15 |
| ivoks | ah, great | 02:15 |
| \sh | hmm.../me needs only saa/cua stanards | 02:15 |
| \sh | ok..and now I'm going to lunch :) friend of mine invited me :) I like egyptian people :) always friendly :) | 02:18 |
| ivoks | :) | 02:18 |
| siretart | ok. detail page now showing all commments concerning a package | 02:18 |
| ivoks | still planing to visit croatia, \sh ? | 02:18 |
| siretart | but the code is now getting a real mess.. ;) | 02:18 |
| \sh | ivoks: yep :) | 02:18 |
| dholbach | \sh: bon apptit | 02:18 |
| ivoks | \sh: my neighbouhr has signe "zimmer frei" :) | 02:18 |
| ivoks | sign, even :) | 02:19 |
| \sh | ok..gone now...and if everything works out this night, I won't come back before 10 o'clock tomorrow :) finally with a girl or guy in my arm...depends ;) | 02:19 |
| \sh | cu later :) | 02:19 |
| dholbach | byeeeeeeeeee | 02:19 |
| ivoks | hm... | 02:19 |
| siretart | cu \sh_away | 02:19 |
| ivoks | guy? | 02:20 |
| siretart | ok. for showing only the newest upload on the index page, I'd need an sql guru. so I'll wait for sistpoty ;) | 02:20 |
| === ivoks should get back to books and continue studying... | ||
| ivoks | enjoy | 02:20 |
| dholbach | siretart: i could try to have a look at it | 02:21 |
| dholbach | not that i'm a guru, but... :) | 02:21 |
| siretart | I'll query the paste to you | 02:21 |
| dholbach | yeah | 02:21 |
| siretart | autoreconf in debian/rules is considered evil, is it? | 02:28 |
| tseng | yes | 02:29 |
| tseng | you need to do it as a dpatch | 02:29 |
| tseng | with no other changes | 02:29 |
| siretart | http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/bmp-mp4-0507021425/bmp-mp4_0.0.20041215-0ubuntu1.diff | 02:29 |
| dholbach | siretart: i wrote it as a comment on one of the packages | 02:29 |
| siretart | ok | 02:29 |
| dholbach | siretart: you want to have everything under maximum control locally | 02:29 |
| dholbach | so you upload something that explicitly works on your box :) | 02:30 |
| siretart | perhaps we should collect some best practices page in the wiki | 02:30 |
| siretart | because this seems to become more and more common | 02:30 |
| siretart | mistakes | 02:30 |
| dholbach | i started PackagingTips :) | 02:31 |
| dholbach | ages ago ;) | 02:31 |
| siretart | ah. great | 02:32 |
| siretart | will link that from the main page | 02:32 |
| dholbach | one of the first things i'll do, once i'm "out of work", is writing a wiki/MOTURoundTour | 02:32 |
| tseng | round tour? | 02:32 |
| tseng | oh | 02:32 |
| tseng | grand tour | 02:33 |
| dholbach | RoundTrip | 02:33 |
| dholbach | or whatever | 02:33 |
| dholbach | :) | 02:33 |
| ajmitch | world tour? :) | 02:33 |
| dholbach | somebody could translate the "interview" i had ;) | 02:34 |
| ajmitch | you'll come & visit us even in NZ? ;) | 02:34 |
| tseng | that flight is ridiculous | 02:34 |
| ajmitch | we're a long way from anywhere in NZ | 02:34 |
| tseng | oh you packaged instanbul! | 02:37 |
| dholbach | i did it ONE HOUR after he announced it on his blog | 02:37 |
| dholbach | which is 4 weeks ago or something | 02:38 |
| dholbach | well, i need to get going | 02:38 |
| dholbach | review (revision?) for the exam next week | 02:39 |
| dholbach | *sigh deeply* | 02:39 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: good luck | 02:39 |
| dholbach | see you guys | 02:40 |
| dholbach | have a nice weekend | 02:40 |
| tseng | bye dholbach | 02:40 |
| dholbach | *wave* | 02:40 |
| siretart | slomo: ah, you are here. welcome to the world of motus :) | 03:04 |
| slomo | hehe thanks ;) | 03:04 |
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| slomo | when creating a package of something which has no complete build system (e.g. one has to run autoreconf to get configure etc) it's recommend to run autoreconf locally and include a diff with the package... must I include config.sub and config.guess in this patch? | 03:46 |
| siretart | slomo: this may be helpful http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2003/11/msg00065.html | 03:52 |
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| siretart | hi ogra | 03:54 |
| ogra | hi all :) | 03:54 |
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| thesaltydog | I have a new package to propose to MOTU. Should I add it to MOTUNewPackages? | 09:12 |
| thesaltydog | ..no MOTUs here?? :-( | 09:20 |
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| \sh | re | 11:00 |
| Burgundavia | salut \sh | 11:00 |
| \sh | hey Burgundavia | 11:08 |
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| Goshawk | there is a package that needs to be upgraded but it appears with the ubuntu logo on synaptic (this means that it's not from universe but from main) shall i contact people on #ubuntu-devel to upgrade it? | 11:24 |
| Burgundavia | which package? | 11:25 |
| Goshawk | libdirectfb | 11:28 |
| Goshawk | it's at 0.9.20 | 11:28 |
| Goshawk | while 0.9.22 is available when warty was out | 11:28 |
| Goshawk | (more than 6 months) | 11:29 |
| Burgundavia | the breezy version is -22 | 11:29 |
| Goshawk | good.... thanks | 11:30 |
| Goshawk | good work so | 11:30 |
| Goshawk | :D | 11:30 |
| Goshawk | and... is there the ++dfb library in breezy? | 11:31 |
| Burgundavia | in future, you can see if it in breezy at this page" | 11:31 |
| Burgundavia | http://packages.ubuntu.com/ | 11:31 |
| Goshawk | ok thanks | 11:31 |
| Burgundavia | ++dfb? | 11:31 |
| Goshawk | yes it's a subproject of directfb | 11:31 |
| Goshawk | c++ bindings | 11:31 |
| Burgundavia | no idea | 11:32 |
| Burgundavia | have to ask someone in -devel for that | 11:32 |
| Goshawk | ok thanks | 11:32 |
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