[12:02] <ivoks> bad bad movie :(
[12:02] <Burgundavia> which one?
[12:03] <ivoks> wars of the worlds?
[12:03] <ivoks> or something like that
[12:03] <ivoks> spilberg's
[12:14] <siretart> hi
[12:14] <Burgundavia> salut
[12:14] <siretart> could anyone please try out the recover pw feature of revu?
[12:15] <siretart> it works for me, but I would like to have it tested by someone else
[12:18] <siretart> noone here :(
[12:18] <Burgundavia> sorry, I have no access to revu, otherwise I would test it
[12:20] <kiko-afk> what is this revu thing I keep hearing about?
[12:21] <tseng> kiko-afk: it is the end-all!
[12:21] <tseng> siretart rocks
[12:21] <tseng> kiko-afk: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/
[12:21] <tseng> Burgundavia: mentors.d.o?
[12:21] <siretart> tseng: it works for you? do you think the implemenatation is sane?
[12:21] <tseng> ill try it
[12:22] <tseng> mentors.debian.net/ rather
[12:22] <tseng> haha @ powered by ubuntu logo
[12:23] <kiko-afk> that is so cool
[12:24] <tseng> kiko-afk: it gets better every day
[12:24] <tseng> i need to give it a second pass of CSS love
[12:24] <siretart> yeah. I doesn't need me anymore for creating accounts :)
[12:24] <tseng> my first sucks
[12:24] <Burgundavia> tseng, but I see no effort to make that part of the official debian stuff, revu is
[12:25] <tseng> siretart: ok
[12:25] <\sh> back from amu :)
[12:25] <tseng> siretart: recovering by logging in with my unknown password is unituitive
[12:25] <tseng> siretart: please make the link always visible
[12:25] <siretart> now I suffices that I add the key to the keyring.
[12:25] <siretart> now it suffices
[12:26] <siretart> tseng: hm. how can I guess what user is trying to recover his pw?
[12:26] <tseng> the put in their email
[12:26] <tseng> on another page
[12:26] <tseng> this is how every site ever does it
[12:26] <tseng> for a reason :)
[12:27] <tseng> oh man
[12:27] <siretart> err, huh?
[12:27] <tseng> it gives me a gpg crypted password?
[12:27] <siretart> yep! :)
[12:28] <tseng> i guess thats liveable
[12:28] <siretart> I wanted to mock around with popen anyway *g*
[12:28] <tseng> forcing people to use gpg is part of the motu process
[12:28] <tseng> but can you put text in that page
[12:29] <tseng> telling me wtf to do with this weird looking block of text
[12:29] <tseng> (imagine i didnt know)
[12:29] <siretart> will add explanation. wait
[12:29] <tseng> thanks
[12:30] <tseng> oh you could use javascript
[12:30] <tseng> for the recover bit
[12:30] <tseng> if Login: isnt filled in, make a warning
[12:31] <tseng> er
[12:31] <tseng> ok
[12:32] <siretart> sorry, I'm clueless with java script
[12:32] <tseng> i could do it
[12:32] <tseng> but im not in a coding mood after work lately
[12:33] <tseng> right now im in more of a nap mood
[12:33] <tseng> or rag on other peoples ui'd
[12:33] <tseng> ui's
[12:35] <siretart> ok
[12:35] <siretart> narf, now I broke it :/
[12:38] <schweeb> what up guys
[12:38] <siretart> hi schweeb
[12:41] <schweeb> I'm pondering making an attempt to update my gsf-sharp package right now
[12:42] <schweeb> but the lazy is strong after this week at work
[12:42] <tseng> go
[12:42] <tseng> and fix gmime too, since its your package
[12:42] <schweeb> stupid datacenter crash
[12:42] <schweeb> h4n
[12:42] <schweeb> no, it's not mine, bish
[12:42] <tseng> it is because i said so
[12:43] <tseng> i have a new tactic to my war on mono api instability
[12:43] <tseng> "fix my shit or ill demote you all to universe"
[12:43] <tseng> ill do it too
[12:44] <siretart> ;)
[12:44] <\sh> someones shot dead
[12:44] <\sh> that's for sure
[12:48] <\sh> and now...off to bed:)
[12:49] <siretart> good idea. gn8 \sh_away
[12:51] <schweeb> tseng's getting all high on his newfound power
[12:51] <tseng> schweeb: i have power?
[12:52] <schweeb> the demotion of the mono pkgs
[12:52] <tseng> anyway i cant support unfrozen api's for 6 months
[12:52] <tseng> ill never hear the end of it
[12:52] <tseng> i already took shit for the last 6 months for it not working with beagle etc
[12:53] <schweeb> heh
[12:53] <schweeb> mostly shit from whiprush, surely
[12:54] <tseng> nope
[12:54] <tseng> all over the place
[01:02] <schweeb> well, I'll give you shit about it on principal
[01:02] <schweeb> principle
[01:24] <siretart> good night, folks
[01:45] <tseng> bye siretart
[01:45] <tseng> we need to get into more compatible timezones
[02:25] <ajmitch> hi
[02:25] <tseng> hi
[02:26] <ajmitch> what's new with mono?
[02:26] <tseng> i am going to kick people around soon
[02:27] <ajmitch> sweet
[02:27] <tseng> ajmitch: gtk-sharp2 is "unstable"
[02:27] <tseng> ajmitch: aka no api stabilitiy
[02:27] <tseng> ajmitch: this needs to change, now
[02:27] <ajmitch> so you're going to talk to upstream?
[02:27] <tseng> i did
[02:28] <tseng> miguel left
[02:28] <tseng> he said we will discuss on ml
[02:28] <tseng> about freezes etc
[02:29] <ajmitch> so we hope like hell that things freeze in time for breezy stability
[02:30] <tseng> sure
[02:30] <tseng> or i demote it
[02:30] <tseng> which would be lame
[02:30] <tseng> and i would look like a dumbass
[02:30] <ajmitch> which would disappoint users a bit
[02:30] <ajmitch> but they can handle it
[02:31] <ajmitch> as long as they're not installing crack from source
[02:31] <tseng> well the final dates are in September
[02:31] <tseng> which is fine for universe
[02:31] <tseng> i need alot sooner for main
[02:34] <tseng> aka, now
[02:35] <ajmitch> right
[02:36] <tseng> and im not happy with beagle either
[02:36] <ajmitch> too many bugs?
[02:36] <tseng> for main, yes
[02:37] <ajmitch> I don't think I've seen it successfully index my data here before I had to kill it
[02:37] <ajmitch> ~900MB mem usage was getting a bit high
[02:37] <tseng> you dont have 3gb of ram?
[02:38] <ajmitch> sadly not yet
[02:39] <ajmitch> maybe once I get that quad-opteron box & load it up with RAM
[02:39] <ajmitch> then I might be able to use beagle
[02:50] <ajmitch> I really shouldn't get behind on debian-devel & ubuntu-devel mail
[02:50] <ajmitch> only about a thousand unread at the moment
[03:42] <mae> i only have 1gb.. bastards.
[10:29] <\sh> moins
[10:43] <mitsuhiko> moin
[10:43] <siretart> moin
[11:01] <\sh> looks like someone censored my article about the weekend ;) or actually my pic wasn't office compatible ,-)
[11:03] <JanC> siretart : "0k" looks a lot like "Ok", maybe you better place a space between value & the unit multiplication prefix
[11:03] <JanC> e.g. on this page: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=35
[11:06] <siretart> hm.
[11:06] <JanC> oh, and are those decimal (1 kB = 1000 bytes) or binary (1 KiB = 1024 bytes) unit multipliers ?  :)
[11:07] <siretart>         return '%dk' % ( s.st_size / 1024 )
[11:07] <siretart> from the source..
[11:08] <JanC> so you use the wrong prefix  ;-)
[11:08] <siretart> is this better?
[11:09] <JanC> it's betetr readable yes
[11:09] <siretart> ok. no 0k anymore. the information was partly useful anyway
[11:11] <ajmitch> hi
[11:11] <JanC> if you need a pointer about kB vs. KiB: http://www.iec.ch/zone/si/si_bytes.htm
[11:16] <siretart> JanC: happy now? ;)
[11:25] <JanC> siretart : no, unlike with the decimal prefixes it's "Ki", not "ki"  ;-)
[11:25] <siretart> ah, ok :)
[11:26] <JanC> see the examples on the site I gave
[11:26] <siretart> fixed
[11:26] <JanC> and there is also an explanation in the kernel sources somewhere IIRC  :)
[11:27] <dholbach> goood morning, motu-land!
[11:28] <ajmitch> hey dholbach!
[11:28] <dholbach> hey andrew
[11:28] <ajmitch> how are you?
[11:28] <dholbach> i'm fine, thank you
[11:28] <dholbach> just writing the new MOTU report :)
[11:29] <dholbach> how are you?
[11:29] <ajmitch> I'm alright
[11:29] <ajmitch> anything interesting in the report?
[11:30] <dholbach> we have two new MOTUs, we have REVU, we worked quite a lot on C++ stuff and had our review day
[11:30] <dholbach> that's all i could think of
[11:30] <siretart> hi dholbach :)
[11:30] <ajmitch> still quite a lot :)
[11:30] <dholbach> hey siretart
[11:32] <dholbach> siretart: how are you?
[11:32] <dholbach> siretart: learning? :-p
[11:33] <siretart> dholbach: still fixing revu ;)
[11:33] <siretart> need to write some more.. yeah
[11:34] <dholbach> oh yes... was your Studienarbeit, right?
[11:34] <siretart> jepps
[11:36] <ajmitch> ?
[11:38] <siretart> ajmitch: studienarbeit is like a small thesis..
[11:38] <ajmitch> ok
[11:38] <siretart> approx. 40p
[11:39] <ajmitch> fun :)
[11:40] <ajmitch> you've done a good job on revu though
[11:40] <siretart> thanks :)
[11:40] <siretart> dholbach: did you see, debdiffing now works. proble is, it only works on uploads with orig.tar.gz included
[11:43] <\sh> siretart: native packages u can't debdiff...u have to sourceupload them anyways...
[11:44] <siretart> didn't try this yet.. hmm
[11:44] <dholbach> siretart: it's awesome
[11:44] <siretart> native packages are ugly anyway :/
[11:45] <dholbach> siretart: do you do the debdiff on .dsc?
[11:45] <dholbach> morning \sh
[11:45] <\sh> hey dholbach
[11:45] <ajmitch> funny, I thought debdiff of native packages worked..
[11:46] <dholbach> it does
[11:46] <siretart> dholbach: yepp.
[11:46] <dholbach> native packages should be fine then
[11:46] <\sh> ajmitch: i tried it last time, and it didn't work, cause the native package changed as well, e.g. from package_1.2-0ubuntu1.tar.gz  to package_1.2-0ubuntu2.tar.gz
[11:46] <ajmitch> \sh: a native package with a debian version?
[11:47] <\sh> ajmitch: yes, but without a .orig.tar.gz
[11:47] <dholbach> \sh: did you run    debdiff bla1.dsc bla2.dsc    ?
[11:47] <\sh> w8...i will get an example
[11:47] <\sh> dholbach: yups
[11:48] <siretart> are any ion3 users here?
[11:49] <ajmitch> you could grab the latest version that is in the archive to compare against
[11:49] <ajmitch> for revu, that is :)
[11:49] <siretart> ajmitch: yes, I've been thinking about it. and it would be possible
[11:50] <ajmitch> trivial, in fact :)
[11:50] <siretart> ajmitch: could you write an shellscript, which gets as parameter the directory with the uploaded source package fetching the sourcepackage from the archive?
[11:50] <ajmitch> probably
[11:50] <ajmitch> I've got scripts that I've wrote that do similar
[11:51] <siretart> that would be great
[11:52] <\sh> gdome2-xslt
[11:52] <ajmitch> most of it is handled by 'apt-get source packagename'
[11:52] <siretart> hm. if it doesn use /etc/apt as config and works in sarge, that'll be great
[11:53] <\sh> shermann@shermann-laptop:~/breezy/transistion/danieln/gdome2-xslt$ debdiff gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7.dsc gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7ubuntu1.dsc
[11:53] <\sh> diff: /tmp/xBMfPWNujM/gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7.tar.gz: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
[11:53] <\sh> diff: /tmp/T5RuKPRXn2/gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7ubuntu1.tar.gz: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
[11:53] <\sh> as an example of an native package with debian version
[11:53] <ajmitch> siretart: ah, now that's something different ;)
[11:53] <ajmitch> siretart: I might have to use my python script for that
[11:54] <siretart> I was thinking of some grep-dctrl magic, but python would be fine too
[11:55] <ajmitch> that would work also
[11:56] <dholbach> sent the report
[11:56] <\sh> dholbach: or did I miss something with debdiff?
[11:56] <dholbach> \sh: just a sec
[11:57] <\sh> ajmitch: get it from debian ;)
[11:58] <ajmitch> that requires far too much work :P
[11:58] <\sh> ajmitch: lazy ;)
[11:58] <ajmitch> :)
[11:58] <\sh> I think in the next couple of weeks I will get mail from lycos europe
[11:59] <ajmitch> why?
[11:59] <\sh> oh I revealed some secrets ;)
[11:59] <ajmitch> debdiff on gdome2-xslat works for me
[12:00] <\sh> secrets that only an ex-employee does know ;)
[12:00] <ajmitch> pff
[12:00] <\sh> ajmitch: how?
[12:00] <ajmitch> by  debdiff gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7.dsc gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7ubuntu1.dsc
[12:00] <ajmitch> -Package: libgdome2-xslt0
[12:00] <ajmitch> +Package: libgdome2-xslt0c2
[12:00] <ajmitch> maybe you have broken debdiff? :
[12:00] <\sh> so why is it not working here
[12:01] <\sh> This is debdiff, from the Debian devscripts package, version 2.8.14
[12:01] <ajmitch> same version here
[12:02] <\sh> strange
[12:02] <\sh> ah which diff r u using?
[12:03] <ajmitch> diff --version
[12:03] <ajmitch> diff (GNU diffutils) 2.8.1
[12:03] <dholbach> oh cool: http://slamich.free.fr/f.html
[12:03] <\sh> interdiff?
[12:03] <\sh> no i mean together with debdiff?
[12:03] <ajmitch> I'm just running debdiff as I pasted
[12:03] <dholbach> somebody translated UbuntuWorldWide to the googlemaps api
[12:03] <\sh> ajmitch: patchutils installed?
[12:04] <ajmitch> of course
[12:04] <ajmitch> 0.2.30-1
[12:04] <ajmitch> this was done on my slightly-out-of-date breezy box
[12:04] <\sh> i have 0.2.31-1
[12:04] <ajmitch> I'll retry on my main one
[12:05] <ajmitch> debdiff ~/debian/sid/tmp/gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7.dsc gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7ubuntu1.dsc
[12:05] <ajmitch> diff: /tmp/MBbwFw2BoU/gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7.tar.gz: No such file or directory
[12:05] <ajmitch> yay!
[12:05] <ajmitch> diff: /tmp/riib87ZcwD/gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7ubuntu1.tar.gz: No such file or directory
[12:06] <\sh> bingo
[12:06] <\sh> so patchutils package is somewhat broken
[12:07] <\sh> let me try something
[12:08] <siretart> somehow my apt-file is broken here. which package in breezy contains X11/extensions/shape.h and X11/extensions/Xext.h?
[12:08] <\sh> no...
[12:08] <\sh> libxext-dev: usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/shape.h
[12:08] <\sh> tendra: usr/lib/TenDRA/lib/include/x5/ext.api/X11/extensions/shape.h
[12:09] <ajmitch> dholbach: the map looks a little sparse :)
[12:09] <siretart> and what about Xext.h?
[12:09] <ajmitch> x11proto-xext-dev
[12:10] <ajmitch> which libxext-dev depends on
[12:10] <siretart> ok, retry
[12:12] <mitsuhiko> dholbach: the map is damn cool
[12:15] <\sh> how can someone sell ubuntu/kubuntu cds
[12:17] <siretart> it's gpl, isn't it? ;)
[12:18] <\sh> yeah, free cds selling on ebay is quite annonying
[12:19] <siretart> hrhr
[12:19] <\sh> When I press them by myself and selling them, it's something different, but ordering ubuntu/kubuntu cds from shipit, and then selling them via ebay, it's a bit of "schmarotzer" behaviour
[12:20] <\sh> "schmarotzer" == parasite
[12:22] <dholbach> siretart: dlocate can help you there, the file apt-file downloads is mostly out-of-date - packages.ubuntu.com can help too
[12:22] <dholbach> siretart: or a simply   grep bla /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list   :)
[12:22] <siretart> ah. thanks :)
[12:22] <siretart> I'm now in dogfight with nobse, maintainer of ion3 in debian :/
[12:23] <dholbach> what's wrong with him today?
[12:23] <siretart> but we are working now on ion3 for breezy ;)
[12:24] <siretart> dholbach: gnarf, first it was general trolling, he was accusing ubuntu for not sending him security related patches in vim to him
[12:24] <siretart> well, he is in fact
[12:25] <dholbach> *sigh*
[12:25] <siretart> does anyone know something about this issue?
[12:26] <dholbach> should be on the security mailing list
[12:26] <siretart> but now we worked together on a new ion3 upload for breezy, I'm uploading now
[12:26] <siretart> ok
[12:26] <dholbach> thats good
[12:26] <dholbach> :)
[12:26] <siretart> :)
[12:28] <\sh> dholbach: don't mention my name too often ;) it annoys people ,-)
[12:40] <ajmitch> \sh: you mean apart from that fact that you've done an awful lot lately? ;)
[12:42] <abelli> hola
[12:42] <\sh> ajmitch: right now I'm trying to get strength back :)
[12:43] <\sh> ajmitch: and I have some really nasty source packages right now ;)
[12:43] <abelli> i need someone reputable ..
[12:43] <\sh> and fighting with the pykde maintainer
[12:43] <abelli> dholbach: where are you?
[12:45] <abelli> :)
[12:45] <\sh> abelli: whats up? :)
[12:46] <abelli> \sh: are you going (MOTUs) to recover ruby packages?
[12:46] <abelli> because debian maintainer's splitted ruby in several packages and this other than wrong is not working.
[12:47] <\sh> abelli: hmmm..u mean the new upload from pitti?
[12:47] <\sh> ruby1.8?
[12:48] <abelli> ohh well did he fix the whole thing?
[12:48] <\sh> ruby is in main :)so it's not motus work :)
[12:49] <\sh> Message-Id: <20050630175004.1D20637A402B@jackass.warthogs.hbd.com> on breezy-changes
[12:49] <abelli> Section: universe/interpreters
[12:49] <abelli> did they put it in main (breezy)?
[12:49] <abelli> dehihoooooooo
[12:49] <\sh> abelli: package name?
[12:49] <abelli> ruby
[12:50] <ajmitch> yep
[12:50] <ajmitch> breezy/main
[12:50] <abelli> groowwllll
[12:51] <abelli> ajmitch: and did pitti merged all the packages in one big fat package with all the base libs?
[12:51] <\sh> abelli: Binary: libreadline-ruby1.8, ruby1.8-dev, libtcltk-ruby1.8, ruby1.8-examples, libgdbm-ruby1.8, ri1.8, ruby1.8-elisp, libruby1.8-dbg, ruby1.8, libruby1.8, rdoc1.8, irb1.8,
[12:52] <abelli> I WANT BREEZY
[12:52] <\sh> abelli: ping pitti for questions about ruby, he's just on #ubuntu-devel
[12:52] <abelli> \sh: thanks
[12:55] <\sh> bbl
[01:00] <abelli> ciao
[01:05] <dholbach> abelli: hm?
[01:05] <dholbach> i don't think pitti changed the packaging
[01:06] <abelli> dholbach: i thought it still was in universe ..
[01:06] <dholbach> abelli: and it would help, if you'd write a mail to ubuntu-devel@ and the ruby-maintainers-list
[01:06] <dholbach> with your concerns and complaints
[01:06] <abelli> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=290705
[01:06] <abelli> they know it
[01:08] <dholbach> "inexcusable mess" is HARSH in a bug report
[01:08] <ajmitch> I've seen worse
[01:08] <dholbach> i don't know if i'd not just ignore such a bug report
[01:08] <abelli> dholbach: cmon ..
[01:08] <abelli> be nice.
[01:09] <abelli> fair.
[01:09] <dholbach> ?
[01:09] <abelli> it's a big mess.
[01:09] <dholbach> the bug report doesn't provide any solution, it just accuses the packages of producing a mess
[01:09] <abelli> a really big mess.
[01:09] <dholbach> not that i judge in favor of the package maintainers
[01:09] <abelli> it means that ruby can't be run on debian properly.
[01:10] <dholbach> if have no clue at all
[01:10] <abelli> now you are witnesses.
[01:10] <dholbach> but i'd try to figure out a solution and propose it on the appropriate lists
[01:10] <dholbach> witnesses?
[01:10] <dholbach> are we going to be instrumentalized for something?
[01:10] <abelli> if you do nothing .. history will judge you. :)
[01:11] <dholbach> MAN
[01:11] <dholbach> YOU! DO! SOMETHING! :)
[01:11] <abelli> :) .. pappa time .
[01:11] <abelli> bon appetit everybody ..
[01:11] <dholbach> i can't be described as a lazy guy :)
[01:11] <ajmitch> abelli: we don't use ruby, so we can't judge how best to arrange the packaging
[01:11] <abelli> just put everything in one Working Package :).
[01:12] <abelli> sorry ppl but i really got to go .. really many thanks for your attention.
[01:12] <dholbach> abelli: but i'm witness of your complaints, so if i ever hear them again and you didn't write a mail with a solution or an idea to the appropriate list, i will judge YOU! :)
[01:12] <abelli> im just a poor user ..
[01:12] <abelli> you're a Master ..
[01:12] <abelli> hit me .. :)
[01:12] <abelli> ciao
[01:12] <dholbach> bye :)
[01:13] <ajmitch> 'just a user'.. hah
[01:14] <dholbach> i meant it, i'm not going to accept random complaints over and over again :)
[01:15] <ajmitch> I can understand that, there's more important work to do
[01:16] <dholbach> he seems to have more an idea of what to do than i do :)
[01:17] <dholbach> and people who know the tedious work of splitting packages know that nobody does it without reason :)
[01:19] <ajmitch> http://ajmitch.dhis.org/debuild/ubuntu/merge-tool/current/merges
[01:19] <ajmitch> I'll try & put this in cron & convert it to html or something :)
[01:19] <ajmitch> also: http://ajmitch.dhis.org/debuild/ubuntu/merge-tool/current/rfp
[01:19] <ajmitch> which may not take into account non-free & contrib in debian
[01:19] <ajmitch> which I have to sort out
[01:22] <dholbach> excellent work, andrew
[01:23] <siretart> ajmitch: excellent!
[01:23] <ajmitch> it was done awhile ago
[01:23] <dholbach> i'll link to those on UniversePackages
[01:23] <siretart> ajmitch: how often is this updated?
[01:23] <dholbach> and put it on MOTUTOdo as well
[01:23] <ajmitch> siretart: currently as often as I feel like it ;)
[01:23] <ajmitch> I'll put it in cron
[01:23] <ajmitch> do you think 6, 12 or 24  hours is best?
[01:24] <siretart> ajmitch: when we get the server for revu we could host it there
[01:24] <dholbach> i meant UniverseNewPackages
[01:25] <\sh> xfce4 is broken?
[01:25] <ajmitch> siretart: sure, the script is horribly slow & written without speed in mind
[01:25] <ajmitch> \sh: hmm?
[01:25] <\sh> ajmitch: someone told me that yesterday...
[01:26] <ajmitch> it's been awhile since I used it
[01:27] <\sh> xfce4: Hngt ab: xfwm4-themes (>= 4.2.1-1) soll aber nicht installiert werden
[01:27] <\sh> E: Kaputte Pakete
[01:29] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo is a bit more complete now :)
[01:29] <siretart> you could create a worklist, with description what todo, and comment on each item (package)
[01:29] <siretart> to replace wiki pages like LibraryCXXTranstion
[01:30] <siretart> dholbach: woooh, great! :)
[01:30] <dholbach> :)
[01:30] <dholbach> now get cracking on those! :)
[01:31] <ajmitch> siretart: not just a wiki page :)
[01:31] <ajmitch> they get messy quickly
[01:31] <ajmitch> which is why revu looks so much nicer :)
[01:31] <dholbach> we just have to be faster ;)
[01:34] <ivoks> hi all
[01:35] <siretart> hi ante!
[01:35] <ivoks> what's up?
[01:35] <dholbach> hey ivoks
[01:37] <ajmitch> hi ivoks
[01:37] <ivoks> too much numbers in too short time :)
[01:37] <ivoks> heh, whole gang is here
[01:37] <ajmitch> only a couple of us
[01:37] <ajmitch> there's over 20 MOTUs now, right?
[01:37] <dholbach> 23 :)
[01:37] <ivoks> could be...
[01:38] <ivoks> ::)
[01:38] <dholbach> (i believe)
[01:38] <siretart> does anyone still think that its necessary to allow "updating" or "replacing" uploads in revu?
[01:38] <siretart> it was a feature request I received several times i think
[01:39] <ajmitch> I think it's useful
[01:39] <ajmitch> since people upload, get comments, upload a fixed version
[01:39] <dholbach> it might be prudent to have a link to the old packages (so you can read the old comments, if there are any)
[01:40] <siretart> ok, so the real issue is rather to preserve comments of old uploads, yes?
[01:40] <ajmitch> yep
[01:41] <siretart> hm. how about this: the index page shows only the latest upload
[01:41] <siretart> but on the detail pages, you always see all comments concerning a  source package
[01:41] <ajmitch> good idea
[01:41] <ajmitch> keep the list as short as possible
[01:41] <dholbach> that sounds excellent
[01:42] <ajmitch> since we only need to see 1 source package, not all its versions
[01:42] <siretart> the problem with updating uploads is that its very difficult to detect if an upload replaces another one
[01:42] <ajmitch> for example some packages will need constant reviewing, as new upstream versions come out (eg smeg)
[01:42] <dholbach> depend on the date
[01:42] <ajmitch> or compare versions
[01:42] <siretart> and to make sure that there won't be a real mess in case of mistake
[01:42] <dholbach> date is easier than versions :)
[01:42] <ajmitch> versions is simple, use dpkg :)
[01:43] <ajmitch> dpkg --compare-versions
[01:43] <dholbach> we should really concentrate on reviewing stuff
[01:43] <dholbach> we might get in new MOTUs that way
[01:43] <dholbach> (if we're happy with their work)
[01:43] <ajmitch> dholbach: that's what I'm looking into now
[01:43] <siretart> yeah. full ack
[01:44] <siretart> there are already some new candidates which uploaded stuff to revu. :)
[01:44] <ajmitch> eg, have you fixed marlin?
[01:44] <dholbach> nope
[01:44] <ajmitch> since I noticed that'll be a candidate for a upload update :)
[01:45] <ivoks> so, who does uploads?
[01:45] <dholbach> hm? it's not in the archive yet
[01:45] <ivoks> archived uploads :)
[01:48] <ajmitch> dholbach: no, but you'll want to update the package on revu so that we can review it
[01:48] <dholbach> ajmitch: i didn't fix it yet
[01:48] <dholbach> ajmitch: it's still broken
[01:48] <dholbach> ajmitch: and i'm working on other stuff atm :)
[01:48] <dholbach> ajmitch: i shouldn't even be here :)
[01:49] <ajmitch> dholbach: right, I'm just talking about a use case for updating uploads on revu :)
[01:49] <dholbach> ahhhhhh ok :)
[01:50] <ajmitch> ivoks: is wifi-radar in ubuntu yet? :)
[01:51] <ivoks> ajmitch: not yet :((
[01:51] <dholbach> somebody needs to review it
[01:51] <ajmitch> ivoks: how's your gpg key troubles going?
[01:51] <ajmitch> dholbach: that's why I'm asking :)
[01:51] <dholbach> ivoks: what about UnsignedGpgKey on the wiki?
[01:51] <ivoks> well, mako got my signed CoC and said it's ok
[01:51] <ivoks> i have signed gpg
[01:52] <dholbach> but?
[01:52] <ivoks> by debian developer and PGP server maintainer :)
[01:52] <dholbach> so?
[01:52] <dholbach> did you write those mails as stated on wiki/Uploads ?
[01:52] <ivoks> i wrote CoC in mail, and sent signed mail
[01:52] <ivoks> that was a problem
[01:52] <ivoks> i should've sign the CoC and then send it
[01:53] <ivoks> i missunderstand that chapter
[01:53] <ajmitch> I don't think mako minds
[01:53] <ivoks> well, it wasn't accepted
[01:53] <dholbach> hm?
[01:53] <ivoks> untill i send signed coc in mail
[01:53] <ivoks> then mako said it's ok
[01:53] <JanC> launchpad wouldn't understand a signed mail   :)
[01:53] <dholbach> did you read wiki/uploads?
[01:53] <ivoks> now i just have to get my email whitelisted
[01:53] <dholbach> and send mails to keyring@ and uploads@ (or howevery they are called)?
[01:54] <ivoks> dholbach: yeah, a month ago :)
[01:54] <JanC> you can upload a signed CoC through launchpad now
[01:54] <ajmitch> JanC: right, I did this before launchpad did CoC :)
[01:54] <ivoks> JanC: i tried that, allways reports error
[01:54] <JanC> it worked for me
[01:54] <dholbach> *WONDER*
[01:54] <ivoks> heh, i tried 3 times and gave up
[01:54] <ajmitch> dholbach: ivoks' mail always seems to get list somewhere :)
[01:54] <ivoks> lost? :)
[01:54] <JanC> yeah, maybe it depends on when you try  :)
[01:55] <JanC> if the launchpad devs fixed or broke something  :)
[01:55] <ajmitch> ivoks: hey, it's late here ;)
[01:56] <ivoks> :)
[01:56] <ivoks> no problem
[01:56] <ivoks> i have few typos my self :)
[01:56] <ivoks> and bad gramar :(
[01:57] <ivoks> never learned english in school :(
[01:58] <\sh> ivoks: doesn't matter I just talked to an aussie guy yesterday, even with my slang he understood me very well...funny, sitting at amus place, and speaking english in a german flat ;)
[01:58] <dholbach> :)
[01:58] <ajmitch> ivoks: I supposedly speak english as a first language :)
[01:59] <ajmitch> and you have better english than many native speakers :)
[01:59] <ivoks> that's said reality of USA citizens :(
[02:00] <ivoks> not all, of course...
[02:01] <\sh> ivoks: come on...forget the states...they don't speak english at all ;)
[02:01] <ivoks> :))
[02:02] <ajmitch> I *think* dholbach managed to understand me at UDU :)
[02:02] <dholbach> ajmitch: absolutely :)
[02:02] <\sh> ivoks: and 1 week in the states or uk or downunder or za, and u speak english like a god :)
[02:02] <ivoks> lol, biggest laugh I had when someone proposed to do Ubuntu localization to australian :)
[02:03] <ivoks> za?
[02:03] <ivoks> zambwezi? :)
[02:03] <ajmitch> south africa
[02:03] <ivoks> za?
[02:03] <\sh> south africa ;) zuid afrikaa (sp?) in afrikaans
[02:03] <ivoks> ahhh
[02:03] <ivoks> right
[02:04] <ivoks> that's why it's D... deutschland, deutschland, uber alles...
[02:04] <ajmitch> NZ just has a boring name :)
[02:04] <\sh> ivoks: don't do that..it's making me a bit nervous :)
[02:04] <ivoks> heh, why?
[02:04] <dholbach> ivoks: where did you get that stanza of the song?
[02:05] <ivoks> dholbach: isn't that german national anthem?
[02:05] <\sh> ivoks: no
[02:05] <dholbach> ivoks: we absolutely don't sing that anymore
[02:05] <tseng> dholbach: !
[02:05] <ajmitch> heh
[02:05] <ivoks> ok, it was :)
[02:05] <\sh> it was in <1945
[02:05] <ivoks> sorry guys
[02:05] <ajmitch> with big emphasis on *was* :)
[02:05] <dholbach> ivoks: you touch the german national trauma there ;-)
[02:05] <\sh> and it's not alloweded anymore i think
[02:05] <ivoks> dholbach: ah, we share same trauma :(
[02:05] <\sh> ivoks: most of europe share it :(
[02:06] <ivoks> well, that was then
[02:06] <dholbach> ivoks: you don't have to be sorry :)
[02:06] <ivoks> neither of us did it, or want it
[02:06] <dholbach> ivoks: i even admire your "wide reading" :)
[02:07] <ivoks> btw, if you ask me, it's good to be pround on your country, and I would say that part with "uber alles" is in that meaning
[02:07] <ivoks> maybe i'm wrong, don't know history of german anthem so well
[02:08] <ivoks> but, let's close this topic... i don't want to revive dead that should stay dead :/
[02:09] <\sh> ivoks: there is a difference between patriotism towards your own country, or so much of "I love my mothercountry that I would kill for it"...and the first stanza of this song was the latter meaning
[02:09] <tseng> man mako totally got me re: his passport blog
[02:09] <ajmitch> tseng: you had your grubby mitts all over his passport?
[02:09] <tseng> ajmitch: most likely
[02:09] <\sh> uhh
[02:09] <\sh> how bad
[02:09] <ivoks> \sh: I love my mothercountry that I would kill for it - it's worng
[02:09] <ivoks> wrongs
[02:10] <tseng> very breifly if at all
[02:10] <\sh> hope u didn't byte fingernails after that ,-)
[02:10] <tseng> no
[02:10] <ivoks> \sh: I love my mothercountry that I would die for it - that's something else :)
[02:10] <\sh> ivoks: anyways, it's not my wish to die for germany ;-)
[02:10] <ivoks> \sh: :)
[02:10] <tseng> i think that was the same night we got kicked out of the conference room
[02:11] <\sh> that's enough for politics today :)
[02:11] <ivoks> \sh: ok, just one question... right stanza would be then "deutschlan, deutschland..."?
[02:12] <ivoks> liebe or something?
[02:12] <\sh> ivoks: no.."einigkeit und recht und freiheit" 3. stanza
[02:12] <\sh> the 1. and 2. are not sung by anyone anymore, ok, only from neonazis
[02:13] <JanC> "Deutschland, Deutschland... Ubuntu"   :)
[02:13] <ivoks> uh... sorry
[02:13] <dholbach> did i recently tell you, how much i like the nautilus emblems all over the place?
[02:13] <ivoks> thanks for clarification
[02:14] <dholbach> they make the desktop look SO fancy
[02:14] <ivoks> do you think ubuntu needs profi designer to design interface?
[02:14] <ajmitch> they make it un-boring
[02:14] <tseng> profi?
[02:14] <ajmitch> ivoks: like mpt?
[02:14] <ivoks> proffesional
[02:14] <tseng> we have one
[02:14] <ivoks> we do?
[02:14] <ajmitch> well, mpt is a UI guy
[02:14] <ivoks> oh, ok
[02:15] <ivoks> but he does only gtk/gdm themes, right?
[02:15] <ivoks> icons, etc...
[02:15] <tseng> no, he does usability testing
[02:15] <tseng> andyfitz does art
[02:15] <ivoks> ah, great
[02:15] <\sh> hmm.../me needs only saa/cua stanards
[02:18] <\sh> ok..and now I'm going to lunch :) friend of mine invited me :) I like egyptian people :) always friendly :)
[02:18] <ivoks> :)
[02:18] <siretart> ok. detail page now showing all commments concerning a package
[02:18] <ivoks> still planing to visit croatia, \sh ?
[02:18] <siretart> but the code is now getting a real mess.. ;)
[02:18] <\sh> ivoks: yep :)
[02:18] <dholbach> \sh: bon apptit
[02:18] <ivoks> \sh: my neighbouhr has signe "zimmer frei" :)
[02:19] <ivoks> sign, even :)
[02:19] <\sh> ok..gone now...and if everything works out this night, I won't come back before 10 o'clock tomorrow :) finally with a girl or guy in my arm...depends ;)
[02:19] <\sh> cu later :)
[02:19] <dholbach> byeeeeeeeeee
[02:19] <ivoks> hm...
[02:19] <siretart> cu \sh_away
[02:20] <ivoks> guy?
[02:20] <siretart> ok. for showing only the newest upload on the index page, I'd need an sql guru. so I'll wait for sistpoty ;)
[02:20] <ivoks> enjoy
[02:21] <dholbach> siretart: i could try to have a look at it
[02:21] <dholbach> not that i'm a guru, but... :)
[02:21] <siretart> I'll query the paste to you
[02:21] <dholbach> yeah
[02:28] <siretart> autoreconf in debian/rules is considered evil, is it?
[02:29] <tseng> yes
[02:29] <tseng> you need to do it as a dpatch
[02:29] <tseng> with no other changes
[02:29] <siretart> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/bmp-mp4-0507021425/bmp-mp4_0.0.20041215-0ubuntu1.diff
[02:29] <dholbach> siretart: i wrote it as a comment on one of the packages
[02:29] <siretart> ok
[02:29] <dholbach> siretart: you want to have everything under maximum control locally
[02:30] <dholbach> so you upload something that explicitly works on your box :)
[02:30] <siretart> perhaps we should collect some best practices page in the wiki
[02:30] <siretart> because this seems to become more and more common
[02:30] <siretart> mistakes
[02:31] <dholbach> i started PackagingTips :)
[02:31] <dholbach> ages ago ;)
[02:32] <siretart> ah. great
[02:32] <siretart> will link that from the main page
[02:32] <dholbach> one of the first things i'll do, once i'm "out of work", is writing a wiki/MOTURoundTour
[02:32] <tseng> round tour?
[02:32] <tseng> oh
[02:33] <tseng> grand tour
[02:33] <dholbach> RoundTrip
[02:33] <dholbach> or whatever
[02:33] <dholbach> :)
[02:33] <ajmitch> world tour? :)
[02:34] <dholbach> somebody could translate the "interview" i had ;)
[02:34] <ajmitch> you'll come & visit us even in NZ? ;)
[02:34] <tseng> that flight is ridiculous
[02:34] <ajmitch> we're a long way from anywhere in NZ
[02:37] <tseng> oh you packaged instanbul!
[02:37] <dholbach> i did it ONE HOUR after he announced it on his blog
[02:38] <dholbach> which is 4 weeks ago or something
[02:38] <dholbach> well, i need to get going
[02:39] <dholbach> review (revision?) for the exam next week
[02:39] <dholbach> *sigh deeply*
[02:39] <ajmitch> dholbach: good luck
[02:40] <dholbach> see you guys
[02:40] <dholbach> have a nice weekend
[02:40] <tseng> bye dholbach
[02:40] <dholbach> *wave*
[03:04] <siretart> slomo: ah, you are here. welcome to the world of motus :)
[03:04] <slomo> hehe thanks ;)
[03:46] <slomo> when creating a package of something which has no complete build system (e.g. one has to run autoreconf to get configure etc) it's recommend to run autoreconf locally and include a diff with the package... must I include config.sub and config.guess in this patch?
[03:52] <siretart> slomo: this may be helpful http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2003/11/msg00065.html
[03:54] <siretart> hi ogra
[03:54] <ogra> hi all :)
[09:12] <thesaltydog> I have a new package to propose to MOTU. Should I add it to MOTUNewPackages?
[09:20] <thesaltydog> ..no MOTUs here?? :-(
[11:00] <\sh> re
[11:00] <Burgundavia> salut \sh
[11:08] <\sh> hey Burgundavia
[11:24] <Goshawk> there is a package that needs to be upgraded but it appears with the ubuntu logo on synaptic (this means that it's not from universe but from main) shall i contact people on #ubuntu-devel to upgrade it?
[11:25] <Burgundavia> which package?
[11:28] <Goshawk> libdirectfb
[11:28] <Goshawk> it's at 0.9.20
[11:28] <Goshawk> while 0.9.22 is available when warty was out
[11:29] <Goshawk> (more than 6 months)
[11:29] <Burgundavia> the breezy version is -22
[11:30] <Goshawk> good.... thanks
[11:30] <Goshawk> good work so
[11:30] <Goshawk> :D
[11:31] <Goshawk> and... is there the ++dfb library in breezy?
[11:31] <Burgundavia> in future, you can see if it in breezy at this page"
[11:31] <Burgundavia> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[11:31] <Goshawk> ok thanks
[11:31] <Burgundavia> ++dfb?
[11:31] <Goshawk> yes it's a subproject of directfb
[11:31] <Goshawk> c++ bindings
[11:32] <Burgundavia> no idea
[11:32] <Burgundavia> have to ask someone in -devel for that
[11:32] <Goshawk> ok thanks