=== ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-1468.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:02] bad bad movie :( [12:02] which one? [12:03] wars of the worlds? [12:03] or something like that [12:03] spilberg's === |QuaD- [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:14] hi [12:14] salut [12:14] could anyone please try out the recover pw feature of revu? [12:15] it works for me, but I would like to have it tested by someone else [12:18] noone here :( [12:18] sorry, I have no access to revu, otherwise I would test it [12:20] what is this revu thing I keep hearing about? [12:21] kiko-afk: it is the end-all! [12:21] siretart rocks [12:21] kiko-afk: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ === Burgundavia is suprised and not that debian didn't think up something similra [12:21] Burgundavia: mentors.d.o? [12:21] tseng: it works for you? do you think the implemenatation is sane? [12:21] ill try it [12:22] mentors.debian.net/ rather [12:22] haha @ powered by ubuntu logo [12:23] that is so cool [12:24] kiko-afk: it gets better every day [12:24] i need to give it a second pass of CSS love [12:24] yeah. I doesn't need me anymore for creating accounts :) [12:24] my first sucks [12:24] tseng, but I see no effort to make that part of the official debian stuff, revu is [12:25] siretart: ok [12:25] <\sh> back from amu :) [12:25] siretart: recovering by logging in with my unknown password is unituitive [12:25] siretart: please make the link always visible [12:25] now I suffices that I add the key to the keyring. [12:25] now it suffices [12:26] tseng: hm. how can I guess what user is trying to recover his pw? [12:26] the put in their email [12:26] on another page [12:26] this is how every site ever does it [12:26] for a reason :) [12:27] oh man [12:27] err, huh? [12:27] it gives me a gpg crypted password? [12:27] yep! :) [12:28] i guess thats liveable [12:28] I wanted to mock around with popen anyway *g* [12:28] forcing people to use gpg is part of the motu process [12:28] but can you put text in that page [12:29] telling me wtf to do with this weird looking block of text [12:29] (imagine i didnt know) [12:29] will add explanation. wait [12:29] thanks [12:30] oh you could use javascript [12:30] for the recover bit [12:30] if Login: isnt filled in, make a warning === siretart is javascriptophob [12:31] er [12:31] ok [12:32] sorry, I'm clueless with java script [12:32] i could do it [12:32] but im not in a coding mood after work lately [12:33] right now im in more of a nap mood [12:33] or rag on other peoples ui'd [12:33] ui's [12:35] ok [12:35] narf, now I broke it :/ [12:38] what up guys [12:38] hi schweeb [12:41] I'm pondering making an attempt to update my gsf-sharp package right now [12:42] but the lazy is strong after this week at work [12:42] go [12:42] and fix gmime too, since its your package [12:42] stupid datacenter crash [12:42] h4n [12:42] no, it's not mine, bish [12:42] it is because i said so [12:43] i have a new tactic to my war on mono api instability [12:43] "fix my shit or ill demote you all to universe" [12:43] ill do it too [12:44] ;) [12:44] <\sh> someones shot dead [12:44] <\sh> that's for sure === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.160.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:48] <\sh> and now...off to bed:) [12:49] good idea. gn8 \sh_away [12:51] tseng's getting all high on his newfound power [12:51] schweeb: i have power? [12:52] the demotion of the mono pkgs [12:52] anyway i cant support unfrozen api's for 6 months [12:52] ill never hear the end of it [12:52] i already took shit for the last 6 months for it not working with beagle etc [12:53] heh [12:53] mostly shit from whiprush, surely [12:54] nope [12:54] all over the place [01:02] well, I'll give you shit about it on principal [01:02] principle [01:24] good night, folks [01:45] bye siretart [01:45] we need to get into more compatible timezones === Firetech [~Firetech@h53n1fls301o1100.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:25] hi [02:25] hi [02:26] what's new with mono? [02:26] i am going to kick people around soon [02:27] sweet [02:27] ajmitch: gtk-sharp2 is "unstable" [02:27] ajmitch: aka no api stabilitiy [02:27] ajmitch: this needs to change, now [02:27] so you're going to talk to upstream? [02:27] i did [02:28] miguel left === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] he said we will discuss on ml [02:28] about freezes etc [02:29] so we hope like hell that things freeze in time for breezy stability [02:30] sure [02:30] or i demote it [02:30] which would be lame [02:30] and i would look like a dumbass [02:30] which would disappoint users a bit [02:30] but they can handle it [02:31] as long as they're not installing crack from source [02:31] well the final dates are in September [02:31] which is fine for universe [02:31] i need alot sooner for main [02:34] aka, now [02:35] right [02:36] and im not happy with beagle either [02:36] too many bugs? [02:36] for main, yes [02:37] I don't think I've seen it successfully index my data here before I had to kill it [02:37] ~900MB mem usage was getting a bit high [02:37] you dont have 3gb of ram? [02:38] sadly not yet [02:39] maybe once I get that quad-opteron box & load it up with RAM [02:39] then I might be able to use beagle [02:50] I really shouldn't get behind on debian-devel & ubuntu-devel mail [02:50] only about a thousand unread at the moment === slomo [~slomo@p5487E873.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:42] i only have 1gb.. bastards. === mae [~mae@dpc674653178.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === `crimsun [~crimsun@wifi.tel-ott.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [~jm__@202.172.110.244] has joined #ubuntu-motu === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mitsuhiko [~mitsuhiko@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === unome [~unome@ool-43513903.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:29] <\sh> moins [10:43] moin [10:43] moin [11:01] <\sh> looks like someone censored my article about the weekend ;) or actually my pic wasn't office compatible ,-) [11:03] siretart : "0k" looks a lot like "Ok", maybe you better place a space between value & the unit multiplication prefix [11:03] e.g. on this page: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=35 [11:06] hm. [11:06] oh, and are those decimal (1 kB = 1000 bytes) or binary (1 KiB = 1024 bytes) unit multipliers ? :) [11:07] return '%dk' % ( s.st_size / 1024 ) [11:07] from the source.. [11:08] so you use the wrong prefix ;-) [11:08] is this better? [11:09] it's betetr readable yes [11:09] ok. no 0k anymore. the information was partly useful anyway [11:11] hi [11:11] if you need a pointer about kB vs. KiB: http://www.iec.ch/zone/si/si_bytes.htm [11:16] JanC: happy now? ;) [11:25] siretart : no, unlike with the decimal prefixes it's "Ki", not "ki" ;-) [11:25] ah, ok :) [11:26] see the examples on the site I gave [11:26] fixed [11:26] and there is also an explanation in the kernel sources somewhere IIRC :) === dholbach [foobar@td9091b56.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:27] goood morning, motu-land! [11:28] hey dholbach! [11:28] hey andrew [11:28] how are you? [11:28] i'm fine, thank you [11:28] just writing the new MOTU report :) [11:29] how are you? [11:29] I'm alright [11:29] anything interesting in the report? [11:30] we have two new MOTUs, we have REVU, we worked quite a lot on C++ stuff and had our review day [11:30] that's all i could think of [11:30] hi dholbach :) [11:30] still quite a lot :) [11:30] hey siretart [11:32] siretart: how are you? [11:32] siretart: learning? :-p [11:33] dholbach: still fixing revu ;) [11:33] need to write some more.. yeah [11:34] oh yes... was your Studienarbeit, right? [11:34] jepps [11:36] ? [11:38] ajmitch: studienarbeit is like a small thesis.. [11:38] ok [11:38] approx. 40p [11:39] fun :) [11:40] you've done a good job on revu though [11:40] thanks :) [11:40] dholbach: did you see, debdiffing now works. proble is, it only works on uploads with orig.tar.gz included [11:43] <\sh> siretart: native packages u can't debdiff...u have to sourceupload them anyways... [11:44] didn't try this yet.. hmm [11:44] siretart: it's awesome [11:44] native packages are ugly anyway :/ [11:45] siretart: do you do the debdiff on .dsc? [11:45] morning \sh [11:45] <\sh> hey dholbach [11:45] funny, I thought debdiff of native packages worked.. [11:46] it does [11:46] dholbach: yepp. [11:46] native packages should be fine then [11:46] <\sh> ajmitch: i tried it last time, and it didn't work, cause the native package changed as well, e.g. from package_1.2-0ubuntu1.tar.gz to package_1.2-0ubuntu2.tar.gz [11:46] \sh: a native package with a debian version? [11:47] <\sh> ajmitch: yes, but without a .orig.tar.gz [11:47] \sh: did you run debdiff bla1.dsc bla2.dsc ? [11:47] <\sh> w8...i will get an example [11:47] <\sh> dholbach: yups [11:48] are any ion3 users here? [11:49] you could grab the latest version that is in the archive to compare against [11:49] for revu, that is :) [11:49] ajmitch: yes, I've been thinking about it. and it would be possible [11:50] trivial, in fact :) [11:50] ajmitch: could you write an shellscript, which gets as parameter the directory with the uploaded source package fetching the sourcepackage from the archive? [11:50] probably [11:50] I've got scripts that I've wrote that do similar [11:51] that would be great [11:52] <\sh> gdome2-xslt [11:52] most of it is handled by 'apt-get source packagename' [11:52] hm. if it doesn use /etc/apt as config and works in sarge, that'll be great [11:53] <\sh> shermann@shermann-laptop:~/breezy/transistion/danieln/gdome2-xslt$ debdiff gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7.dsc gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7ubuntu1.dsc [11:53] <\sh> diff: /tmp/xBMfPWNujM/gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7.tar.gz: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden [11:53] <\sh> diff: /tmp/T5RuKPRXn2/gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7ubuntu1.tar.gz: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden [11:53] <\sh> as an example of an native package with debian version [11:53] siretart: ah, now that's something different ;) [11:53] siretart: I might have to use my python script for that [11:54] I was thinking of some grep-dctrl magic, but python would be fine too [11:55] that would work also [11:56] sent the report [11:56] <\sh> dholbach: or did I miss something with debdiff? [11:56] \sh: just a sec === ajmitch doesn't have 0.0.6-7 to play with [11:57] <\sh> ajmitch: get it from debian ;) [11:58] that requires far too much work :P [11:58] <\sh> ajmitch: lazy ;) [11:58] :) [11:58] <\sh> I think in the next couple of weeks I will get mail from lycos europe [11:59] why? [11:59] <\sh> oh I revealed some secrets ;) [11:59] debdiff on gdome2-xslat works for me [12:00] <\sh> secrets that only an ex-employee does know ;) [12:00] pff [12:00] <\sh> ajmitch: how? [12:00] by debdiff gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7.dsc gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7ubuntu1.dsc [12:00] -Package: libgdome2-xslt0 [12:00] +Package: libgdome2-xslt0c2 [12:00] maybe you have broken debdiff? : [12:00] <\sh> so why is it not working here [12:01] <\sh> This is debdiff, from the Debian devscripts package, version 2.8.14 [12:01] same version here [12:02] <\sh> strange [12:02] <\sh> ah which diff r u using? [12:03] diff --version [12:03] diff (GNU diffutils) 2.8.1 [12:03] oh cool: http://slamich.free.fr/f.html [12:03] <\sh> interdiff? === ajmitch shrugs [12:03] <\sh> no i mean together with debdiff? [12:03] I'm just running debdiff as I pasted [12:03] somebody translated UbuntuWorldWide to the googlemaps api [12:03] <\sh> ajmitch: patchutils installed? [12:04] of course [12:04] 0.2.30-1 [12:04] this was done on my slightly-out-of-date breezy box [12:04] <\sh> i have 0.2.31-1 [12:04] I'll retry on my main one [12:05] debdiff ~/debian/sid/tmp/gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7.dsc gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7ubuntu1.dsc [12:05] diff: /tmp/MBbwFw2BoU/gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7.tar.gz: No such file or directory [12:05] yay! [12:05] diff: /tmp/riib87ZcwD/gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7ubuntu1.tar.gz: No such file or directory [12:06] <\sh> bingo [12:06] <\sh> so patchutils package is somewhat broken [12:07] <\sh> let me try something === jesper [~jesper@Linuxnews.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:08] somehow my apt-file is broken here. which package in breezy contains X11/extensions/shape.h and X11/extensions/Xext.h? [12:08] <\sh> no... [12:08] <\sh> libxext-dev: usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/shape.h [12:08] <\sh> tendra: usr/lib/TenDRA/lib/include/x5/ext.api/X11/extensions/shape.h [12:09] dholbach: the map looks a little sparse :) [12:09] and what about Xext.h? [12:09] x11proto-xext-dev [12:10] which libxext-dev depends on [12:10] ok, retry === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-079-072.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:12] dholbach: the map is damn cool [12:15] <\sh> how can someone sell ubuntu/kubuntu cds [12:17] it's gpl, isn't it? ;) [12:18] <\sh> yeah, free cds selling on ebay is quite annonying [12:19] hrhr [12:19] <\sh> When I press them by myself and selling them, it's something different, but ordering ubuntu/kubuntu cds from shipit, and then selling them via ebay, it's a bit of "schmarotzer" behaviour [12:20] <\sh> "schmarotzer" == parasite [12:22] siretart: dlocate can help you there, the file apt-file downloads is mostly out-of-date - packages.ubuntu.com can help too [12:22] siretart: or a simply grep bla /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list :) [12:22] ah. thanks :) [12:22] I'm now in dogfight with nobse, maintainer of ion3 in debian :/ [12:23] what's wrong with him today? [12:23] but we are working now on ion3 for breezy ;) [12:24] dholbach: gnarf, first it was general trolling, he was accusing ubuntu for not sending him security related patches in vim to him [12:24] well, he is in fact [12:25] *sigh* [12:25] does anyone know something about this issue? [12:26] should be on the security mailing list [12:26] but now we worked together on a new ion3 upload for breezy, I'm uploading now [12:26] ok [12:26] thats good [12:26] :) [12:26] :) [12:28] <\sh> dholbach: don't mention my name too often ;) it annoys people ,-) [12:40] \sh: you mean apart from that fact that you've done an awful lot lately? ;) === abelli [~john@08d998803cf94844.session.tor] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:42] hola [12:42] <\sh> ajmitch: right now I'm trying to get strength back :) [12:43] <\sh> ajmitch: and I have some really nasty source packages right now ;) [12:43] i need someone reputable .. [12:43] <\sh> and fighting with the pykde maintainer [12:43] dholbach: where are you? [12:45] :) [12:45] <\sh> abelli: whats up? :) [12:46] \sh: are you going (MOTUs) to recover ruby packages? [12:46] because debian maintainer's splitted ruby in several packages and this other than wrong is not working. [12:47] <\sh> abelli: hmmm..u mean the new upload from pitti? [12:47] <\sh> ruby1.8? [12:48] ohh well did he fix the whole thing? [12:48] <\sh> ruby is in main :)so it's not motus work :) [12:49] <\sh> Message-Id: <20050630175004.1D20637A402B@jackass.warthogs.hbd.com> on breezy-changes [12:49] Section: universe/interpreters [12:49] did they put it in main (breezy)? [12:49] dehihoooooooo [12:49] <\sh> abelli: package name? [12:49] ruby [12:50] yep [12:50] breezy/main [12:50] groowwllll [12:51] ajmitch: and did pitti merged all the packages in one big fat package with all the base libs? [12:51] <\sh> abelli: Binary: libreadline-ruby1.8, ruby1.8-dev, libtcltk-ruby1.8, ruby1.8-examples, libgdbm-ruby1.8, ri1.8, ruby1.8-elisp, libruby1.8-dbg, ruby1.8, libruby1.8, rdoc1.8, irb1.8, [12:52] I WANT BREEZY [12:52] <\sh> abelli: ping pitti for questions about ruby, he's just on #ubuntu-devel [12:52] \sh: thanks === \sh goes massive showering [12:55] <\sh> bbl [01:00] ciao === ajmitch regens the merge TODO list [01:05] abelli: hm? [01:05] i don't think pitti changed the packaging [01:06] dholbach: i thought it still was in universe .. [01:06] abelli: and it would help, if you'd write a mail to ubuntu-devel@ and the ruby-maintainers-list [01:06] with your concerns and complaints [01:06] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=290705 [01:06] they know it [01:08] "inexcusable mess" is HARSH in a bug report [01:08] I've seen worse [01:08] i don't know if i'd not just ignore such a bug report [01:08] dholbach: cmon .. [01:08] be nice. [01:09] fair. [01:09] ? [01:09] it's a big mess. [01:09] the bug report doesn't provide any solution, it just accuses the packages of producing a mess [01:09] a really big mess. [01:09] not that i judge in favor of the package maintainers [01:09] it means that ruby can't be run on debian properly. [01:10] if have no clue at all [01:10] now you are witnesses. [01:10] but i'd try to figure out a solution and propose it on the appropriate lists [01:10] witnesses? [01:10] are we going to be instrumentalized for something? [01:10] if you do nothing .. history will judge you. :) [01:11] MAN [01:11] YOU! DO! SOMETHING! :) [01:11] :) .. pappa time . [01:11] bon appetit everybody .. [01:11] i can't be described as a lazy guy :) [01:11] abelli: we don't use ruby, so we can't judge how best to arrange the packaging [01:11] just put everything in one Working Package :). [01:12] sorry ppl but i really got to go .. really many thanks for your attention. [01:12] abelli: but i'm witness of your complaints, so if i ever hear them again and you didn't write a mail with a solution or an idea to the appropriate list, i will judge YOU! :) [01:12] im just a poor user .. [01:12] you're a Master .. [01:12] hit me .. :) [01:12] ciao [01:12] bye :) [01:13] 'just a user'.. hah [01:14] i meant it, i'm not going to accept random complaints over and over again :) [01:15] I can understand that, there's more important work to do [01:16] he seems to have more an idea of what to do than i do :) [01:17] and people who know the tedious work of splitting packages know that nobody does it without reason :) [01:19] http://ajmitch.dhis.org/debuild/ubuntu/merge-tool/current/merges [01:19] I'll try & put this in cron & convert it to html or something :) [01:19] also: http://ajmitch.dhis.org/debuild/ubuntu/merge-tool/current/rfp [01:19] which may not take into account non-free & contrib in debian [01:19] which I have to sort out [01:22] excellent work, andrew [01:23] ajmitch: excellent! [01:23] it was done awhile ago [01:23] i'll link to those on UniversePackages [01:23] ajmitch: how often is this updated? [01:23] and put it on MOTUTOdo as well [01:23] siretart: currently as often as I feel like it ;) [01:23] I'll put it in cron [01:23] do you think 6, 12 or 24 hours is best? [01:24] ajmitch: when we get the server for revu we could host it there [01:24] i meant UniverseNewPackages [01:25] <\sh> xfce4 is broken? [01:25] siretart: sure, the script is horribly slow & written without speed in mind [01:25] \sh: hmm? [01:25] <\sh> ajmitch: someone told me that yesterday... [01:26] it's been awhile since I used it [01:27] <\sh> xfce4: Hngt ab: xfwm4-themes (>= 4.2.1-1) soll aber nicht installiert werden [01:27] <\sh> E: Kaputte Pakete === siretart was thinking about some worklist tool [01:29] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo is a bit more complete now :) [01:29] you could create a worklist, with description what todo, and comment on each item (package) [01:29] to replace wiki pages like LibraryCXXTranstion [01:30] dholbach: woooh, great! :) [01:30] :) [01:30] now get cracking on those! :) [01:31] siretart: not just a wiki page :) === siretart is not a fan of wiki pages for coordinating work [01:31] they get messy quickly [01:31] which is why revu looks so much nicer :) [01:31] we just have to be faster ;) === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-1468.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:34] hi all [01:35] hi ante! [01:35] what's up? [01:35] hey ivoks === ivoks is taking a break while studying [01:37] hi ivoks [01:37] too much numbers in too short time :) [01:37] heh, whole gang is here [01:37] only a couple of us [01:37] there's over 20 MOTUs now, right? [01:37] 23 :) [01:37] could be... [01:38] ::) [01:38] (i believe) [01:38] does anyone still think that its necessary to allow "updating" or "replacing" uploads in revu? [01:38] it was a feature request I received several times i think [01:39] I think it's useful [01:39] since people upload, get comments, upload a fixed version [01:39] it might be prudent to have a link to the old packages (so you can read the old comments, if there are any) [01:40] ok, so the real issue is rather to preserve comments of old uploads, yes? [01:40] yep === ajmitch thinks the review list is too long already :) [01:41] hm. how about this: the index page shows only the latest upload [01:41] but on the detail pages, you always see all comments concerning a source package [01:41] good idea [01:41] keep the list as short as possible [01:41] that sounds excellent [01:42] since we only need to see 1 source package, not all its versions [01:42] the problem with updating uploads is that its very difficult to detect if an upload replaces another one [01:42] for example some packages will need constant reviewing, as new upstream versions come out (eg smeg) [01:42] depend on the date [01:42] or compare versions [01:42] and to make sure that there won't be a real mess in case of mistake [01:42] date is easier than versions :) [01:42] versions is simple, use dpkg :) [01:43] dpkg --compare-versions [01:43] we should really concentrate on reviewing stuff [01:43] we might get in new MOTUs that way [01:43] (if we're happy with their work) [01:43] dholbach: that's what I'm looking into now [01:43] yeah. full ack [01:44] there are already some new candidates which uploaded stuff to revu. :) [01:44] eg, have you fixed marlin? [01:44] nope [01:44] since I noticed that'll be a candidate for a upload update :) [01:45] so, who does uploads? [01:45] hm? it's not in the archive yet [01:45] archived uploads :) [01:48] dholbach: no, but you'll want to update the package on revu so that we can review it [01:48] ajmitch: i didn't fix it yet [01:48] ajmitch: it's still broken [01:48] ajmitch: and i'm working on other stuff atm :) [01:48] ajmitch: i shouldn't even be here :) [01:49] dholbach: right, I'm just talking about a use case for updating uploads on revu :) === jinty [~jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:49] ahhhhhh ok :) [01:50] ivoks: is wifi-radar in ubuntu yet? :) [01:51] ajmitch: not yet :(( [01:51]