[12:00] <Paully> btw, how do you request an app for the next ubuntu release?
[12:00] <pipatron> rasputnik: Hm, damn, you're right. But why does it not share the clipboard with the 'normal' apps then?
[12:00] <pinky_> why is XMMS pants?
[12:00] <pipatron> pinky_: It just is :)
[12:00] <pinky_> :)
[12:01] <pinky_> im a beginner
[12:01] <rasputnik> pipatron: X has it's own idea of cut and paste, that's part of the X server and 20-odd years old. Nothing to do with gnome or clipboard
[12:01] <pipatron> pinky_: Because it's a 'clone' of winamp from 1995
[12:01] <pinky_> and its the only thing I can get going for mp3
[12:01] <pinky_> that would eb why
[12:01] <pinky_> *be
[12:01] <pipatron> pinky_: The UI for winamp fortunately changed during the last 10 years, but obviously XMMS didn't bother :)
[12:01] <pinky_> it keeps playing 10 seconds of each song :s
[12:01] <rasputnik> pipatron: if you want the legend : http://www.jwz.org/doc/x-cut-and-paste.html
[12:01] <mattskelton> can someone help me set up an alternate click function on a Powerbook. <Extremly new to ubuntu>
[12:02] <you-bunt-too> pipatron, what about xmms2?
[12:02] <Tuxicity> pinky_, "Beep Media Player" is a nice fork of XMMS
[12:02] <Tuxicity> you-bunt-too, XMMS2?
[12:02] <pipatron> you-bunt-too: Never heard of, is it in ubuntu?
[12:02] <machetti> when i load a dvd totem tries auto play it but gives me a cannot play file error
[12:02] <Paully> pinky_, go with rhythm-box!
[12:02] <dabi> where can i edit the list of programs starting with gnome session, with text editor?
[12:02] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, it should be mentioned now on the xmms homepage, if not, google. ;-)
[12:02] <pinky_> yeah give me the plug ins for rhythm box and I will!!!
[12:02] <you-bunt-too> pipatron, is it in ubuntu? no, because it's still heavy devel
[12:02] <pinky_> I just cant seem to to get it to work :(
[12:03] <Paully> pinky_, apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:03] <pinky_> thank you
[12:03] <pinky_> legend
[12:03] <pipatron> you-bunt-too: I see
[12:03] <z|bandito> how do you use the VESA driver?
[12:03] <pipatron> rasputnik: Thanks for the URL, now it's more clear :)
[12:03] <Rocha> Hello
[12:04] <pinky_> I love this place
[12:04] <pinky_> youve helped me out far to much :)
[12:04] <Paully> hi Rocha
[12:04] <Rocha> Just a question...
[12:04] <cmatheson> what's a good cd burning app?
[12:04] <you-bunt-too> cmatheson, gnomebaker, k3b
[12:04] <pipatron> cmatheson: One that will burn stuff on your CD :)
[12:04] <pinky_> http://ubuntuguide.org lots on there
[12:05] <Revan> hello
[12:05] <Rocha> I used su to change to another user in the shell, but when I execute an X program i get this error...
[12:05] <Rocha> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[12:05] <Rocha> Xlib: No protocol specified
[12:05] <cmatheson> you-bunt-too, thanks
[12:05] <you-bunt-too> cmatheson, yw
[12:05] <Rocha> I can use "xhost +" to make it work...
[12:06] <Rocha> ...but can I specify exactly the user that I want to be able to run X programs?
[12:06] <Tuxicity> I have a problem with my firewall Firestarter. When started, it blocks www.google.com from loading... plus any website with Google Ads. Help!
[12:07] <pinky_> rhythm box working like a beast cheers guys :)
[12:07] <Paully> pinky_, you are so welcome :-)
[12:08] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, did you search www.google.com for this issue?
[12:08] <Tuxicity> you-bunt-too, haha, very funny, LOL
[12:08] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, this was mentioned, I believe, on the newsgroup: gmane.comp.security.firewalls.firestarter.user
[12:09] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, if it's not, you can try Ubuntu Forums and the Firestarter mailing list.
[12:09] <Tuxicity> you-bunt-too, Forums had nothing, but I'll check that newsgroup now
[12:12] <zeeeee> hi all, usually when i use ssh-agent, it produces a script that i save to a file, which i then source in order to start using ssh-add, etc.... but i find that as soon as i'm logged in, ssh-agent is already running. where do i find the script i need to source?
[12:13] <zeeeee> by "usually" i meant "when not using ubuntu"
[12:13] <DonL> have to talk to you on my son's win98 box because apparently my linux one plays some game better!!! That's a switch
[12:13] <Tuxicity> DonL, lol. which game?
[12:13] <nalioth> DonL: why isnt your son running linux?
[12:13] <DonL> I think he's on Runescape
[12:13] <DonL> He's still into the MS game thing
[12:14] <Burgundavia> DonL, runescape is java, it will run on linux
[12:14] <kab> where I can get glade-- ?
[12:14] <DonL> In all fairness though, this windows box is a Celeron 333 and the Linux one is an Athlon XP2600+
[12:15] <DonL> Burgundavia, apparently very well
[12:15] <Tuxicity> Celeron vs Athlon...
[12:15] <inemo> hey nalioths_dog :)
[12:15] <Mobius> does anyone else have problems with the gnome cdplayer?
[12:16] <DonL> Mobius, not me. The only problem I have is printing
[12:16] <pinky_> whats the extension for a theme?
[12:16] <you-bunt-too> Mobius, lots of folks appear to have. I guess we need to file some bug reports.
[12:16] <pinky_> im trying to install a theme just cant find the right extension
[12:16] <Mobius> the cd player seems to crash on the last track everytime
[12:16] <Burgundavia> Mobius, known bug and it is fixed in Breezy
[12:16] <DonL> Mobius, that's a bummer
[12:17] <pinky_> is breezy the next update?
[12:17] <Burgundavia> pinky_, indeed
[12:17] <DonL> Burgundavia, but Breezy's not yet ready for prime time
[12:17] <Burgundavia> DonL, not really
[12:17] <synd> hmm for some reason i was /part'ed
[12:17] <Mobius> thanks Burgundavia
[12:17] <Burgundavia> Mobius, np
[12:17] <synd> pinky_: not until Oct
[12:17] <Paully> when is breezy's release date?
[12:17] <Burgundavia> Paully, October 13, 2005
[12:18] <Burgundavia> might slip a day or two
[12:18] <Paully> Burgundavia, thank you !
[12:18] <synd> as long as its out in Oct, the version number wont have to be changed : )
[12:18] <Tuxicity> nice date
[12:18] <DonL> I've heard it will be an easy update from Hoary
[12:19] <synd> DonL: all Ubuntu updates are "easy" : )
[12:19] <inc595> haha
[12:19] <DonL> Well, I had probs with the last one
[12:19] <DonL> Maybe just me though
[12:19] <Paully> DonL, i'm so happy i just installed ubuntu (from windows) to my dad-in-laws computer so i can update it over ssh.
[12:20] <synd> DonL: I'm sure a lot of people had a few problems.
[12:20] <GaryKing> Do I need to make my PC boot from CD to make it run the Ubuntu Live CD?
[12:20] <GaryKing> On my Mac, I have to just hold the 'c' key :)
[12:20] <pinky_> whats extension for a gnome theme anyone :(
[12:20] <inc595> GaryKing, what ever lets u boot from a cd
[12:20] <DonL> It doesn't trouble me too much. I'm used to it by now. Sometimes it's a good time to clean house
[12:20] <Paully> pinky_, tar.gz?
[12:21] <pinky_> well it doesnt seem to like that :/
[12:21] <pinky_> I thought I was being  a idiot
[12:21] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, did you find the answer to your problem?
[12:21] <inc595> you gettign themes for 2.x ot 1.x?
[12:21] <Paully> pinky_, i just unpacked the theme to ~/.themes and that went well
[12:21] <pinky_> ok
[12:21] <pinky_> where is themes located
[12:22] <synd> GaryKing: yes, you need to set your computer to boot from PC to boot the Ubuntu Live CD.
[12:22] <Tuxicity> you-bunt-too, not yet, trying to figure out how to read gmane :>
[12:22] <pinky_> ive got the decnt firefox logo back woo woo
[12:22] <Moe_> hi
[12:22] <Moe_> whats a good php editor for ubuntu
[12:22] <Paully> pinky_, either they are located in /usr/share/themes or in /home/yourname/.themes
[12:22] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, use a newsreader like Pan :)
[12:22] <inc595> pinky_,  what version of gnome did you get the theme for?
[12:23] <pinky_> I got it off gnome-look
[12:23] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, then in Pan add news.gmane.org as a server
[12:23] <zenlunatic> my sound skips on login sound, mp3, streams, everything. anyone know why? im running hoary on powerpc ibook.
[12:23] <inc595> make sure it's for 2.x if you want it to just drop in
[12:23] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, then search for firestarter and subscribe and pull in all messages
[12:23] <pinky_> ok cheers
[12:24] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, speak up next time, so I know you need help :)
[12:24] <inemo> how do you update from within hoary?
[12:25] <zenlunatic> inemo: sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:25] <lsuactiafner> zenlunatic : run nice -n -7 mp3mplayer
[12:25] <inemo> ta zenlunatic
[12:25] <zenlunatic> lsuactiafner: huh?
[12:26] <heather> inemo, try system update ubuntu manager?
[12:27] <pinky_> why cant I log in as root :/
[12:27] <inemo> heather: and that is where? (i'm still in osx atm, noting this down for when I reboot in a min or two)
[12:27] <Paully> pinky_, there is no root password acitive as default
[12:28] <zenlunatic> lsuactiafner: um its not just the mp3 player that skips
[12:28] <dave41> do you speak french
[12:28] <Paully> dave41, pas boucoup
[12:28] <dave41> merci
[12:28] <Tuxicity> dave41, oui
[12:28] <Paully> dave41, je suis debutent en francais
[12:28] <dave41> je suis nouveau avec linux
[12:28] <pinky_> ah ok
[12:28] <Tuxicity> dave41, voir #ubuntu-fr
[12:28] <pinky_> I suck :(
[12:29] <dave41> merci
[12:29] <inc595> hehe anybody have internet explorer on their ubuntu?
[12:29] <heather> UM I did something stupid it seems by not allowing my user acct to do admin things, so now i can't use sudo or get a root term or root anything.  how do i fix this??
[12:29] <Fanskap> ehhh
[12:29] <DonL> inc595, how do you do that, or why would you?
[12:29] <Fanskap> why on EARTH would you want IE?
[12:29] <Paully> heather, you can add your user at /etc/sudoers
[12:29] <Fanskap> and no :)I
[12:30] <heather> ok
[12:30] <inc595> DonL, i didn't want it MS office did
[12:30] <heather> how pls Paully
[12:30] <Fanskap> i don't think M$ will port IE for linux anytime soon :)
[12:30] <DonL> inc595, Open Office works well, I find
[12:30] <heather> i've tried to use the sudo editor before but found it um quite weird
[12:30] <Paully> heather, first you need a root account to log in to (only admin accounts can change the sudoers file)
[12:31] <Paully> use "sudo gedit /etc/sudoers"
[12:31] <heather> k but if i can't do "su -" then...
[12:31] <pinky_> ok I cant get into my root acount :x
[12:31] <pinky_> how the hell :(
[12:31] <inc595> i was looking at my logs to see what it would report to apache as the browser and os.. and this is what it says "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98)"
[12:31] <hussam> Fanskap: but IE's been ported to Unix right?
[12:31] <heather> pinky_, by default the root acct doesn't exist.
[12:31] <zenlunatic> hussam: i think i read it was at some point
[12:31] <inc595> it's usinf crossover office
[12:31] <Paully> heather, then you need to use a live-cd or re-install
[12:32] <heather> laff
[12:32] <DonL> hussam, not that I've heard
[12:32] <inc595> just running in wine
[12:32] <signbarn> I installed smeg from synaptic. It shows up in my Applications menu, but when i click on it, it just gives me the busy icon for a bit -- and does nothing. Any ideas why?
[12:32] <heather> is there a syntax i need to use in editing that file or is it fairly obvious
[12:32] <Fanskap> useless running wine.. better to dualboot XP/Linux
[12:32] <gaussian88> signbarn: launch is from a terminal
[12:33] <hussam> I'm pretty sure it has
[12:33] <gaussian88> signbarn: launch IT from a terminal and see what error (if any) it gives
[12:33] <gaussian88> signbarn: may be a display or a hostname problem
[12:34] <Paully> heather, you add "heather ALL=(ALL) ALL"
[12:34] <inc595> heather, can you boot into single user mode and set a root pasword
[12:34] <signbarn> gaussian88: i'll give that a try
[12:34] <heather> i don't have a root acct
[12:34] <tommy> can anyone help me figure out why xmms is freezing up?
[12:34] <heather> and how on this do you get to runlevel 1 heh
[12:34] <pedingto> tommy you need to change the audio plugin
[12:34] <pedingto> Output plugin even.
[12:35] <Paully> pedingto, shouldn't that be a "plugout"? ;-)
[12:35] <inc595> well if you have physical access to the machine you can reboot and at that time tell it to go into single user and then you are root
[12:35] <heather> id o
[12:35] <heather> i do.
[12:35] <pedingto> Right click --> Options --> preferences and then change it to eSound.
[12:35] <pinky_> You don't have the right permissions to extract archives in the folder "/usr/share/themes/Bright"
[12:35] <pinky_> why the fuck not!!!
[12:35] <pedingto> lol quite Paully.
[12:36] <hussam> DonL: but then again, porting c++ programs is not rocket science, even the kiddies who work at MS can do it. lol. it's just a matter of politics.
[12:36] <Paully> pinky_, extract your theme to /home/pinky/.themes
[12:36] <inc595> heather, i'll find a how to for u
[12:36] <heather> hm k ... i don't recall seeing that as an option in the Grub menu
[12:36] <heather> i used to know how to do it on Mandrake but that was a year ago.
[12:36] <Paully> pinky_, users only have write access to users own forlers
[12:36] <Paully> forlers=folders
[12:37] <tommy> that worked very well, thank you :-)
[12:37] <pedingto> Np :)
[12:37] <hussam> zenlunatic: even if they do port future versions of IE to Linux, nobody's gonna use it anyway. Even on windows, everybody's switching to firefox.
[12:37] <DonL> hussam, I know people who are otherwise happy with MS and want to stay with it, whose only gripe is IE. They're leaving it for Firefox and Opera in droves. You're talking about porting it to Linux. I just can't figure that one
[12:37] <inc595> heather, here you go http://wiki.clug.org.za/clugwiki/index.php/How_do_I_reset_my_root_password%3F
[12:38] <heather> ooo
[12:38] <heather> ty, you rock :)
[12:38] <inc595> no
[12:38] <inc595> prob
[12:40] <heather> ty too, Paully i think it was?
[12:40] <Paully> heather, sorry, i wasn't paying attention...? What you think what was?
[12:41] <hussam> DonL: I'm not defending IE, I never did like it. On the contrary, most windows users still use windows because their favorite software run on windows.
[12:41] <heather> meant i think it was you who told me how to access/change the sudoer file :)
[12:41] <heather> lol
[12:41] <pedingto> Any reason why Add or Remove Applications fails to load a list of applications?
[12:41] <Paully> heather, yes.
[12:41] <pedingto> No error message, its just continually loading.
[12:41] <heather> sooo ty :)
[12:41] <DonL> hussam, that's a problem we'll have to work on
[12:42] <DonL> On the other hand, maybe it's good everybody has a choice.
[12:42] <hussam> DonL: I know that nobody uses windows for windows itself, they all use it to run applications ( photoshop, AutoCAD, etc..) that were not even made by microsoft.
[12:42] <Paully> heather, when you have an account that can change the /etc/sudoers you can add "heather ALL=(ALL) ALL"
[12:43] <heather> k great ty :)
[12:43] <Paully> you are very welcome
[12:44] <Paully> Goodnight everyone. I wish you all a super friday night
[12:44] <heather> nite
[12:44] <DonL> hussam, I see programs like that, and have downloaded them : The Gimp, Qcad, etc., but I don't need them enough to test their usefullness.
[12:44] <DonL> ...and Happy Canada Day to all my fellow Canucks
[12:45] <hussam> DonL: Notice that the only MS software other than windows itself , is MS office.
[12:45] <Paully> Canada's got their national day today?
[12:45] <Paully> contrage
[12:45] <Paully> congrats (damn i need sleep)
[12:45] <DonL> We have a day off!!
[12:45] <pedingto> Thats not entirely true hussam...
[12:45] <hussam> DonL: I tried qcad, but it's no where near AutoCAD.
[12:45] <DonL> Paully, thanks
[12:46] <Paully> DonL, all europeans have a day off on saturdays as well!
[12:46] <pinky_> ok XMMS did it and rhythmbox does aswell plays 10 seconds of a song then plays 10 seconds of a different song on the albumn :'(
[12:46] <hussam> pedingto: I meant the ones people run.
[12:46] <pedingto> Heh.
[12:46] <pinky_> I might aswell go back to xp
[12:46] <pinky_> its alot less annoying :(
[12:46] <DonL> Paully, we usually do here too, except things have changed over the last few decades
[12:46] <pinky_> except when it freezes 24/7
[12:47] <pedingto> Whats the matter pinky_?
[12:47] <hussam> pedingto, DonL, The only reason I've kept my windows machine is AutoCAD.
[12:47] <hussam> it won't install on wine.
[12:47] <pinky_> well ive played two album sin XMMS and rhythmbox and they do the same
[12:48] <pedingto> what do they do?
[12:48] <pinky_> they play 10 seconds of one song then
[12:48] <pinky_> it was change to a different song
[12:48] <DonL> What's the paid for program that's supposed to allow use of MS stuff?
[12:48] <pinky_> but keep the same track name if that makes sense
[12:48] <inemo> WINE?
[12:48] <DonL> No. Wine's free.
[12:48] <inc595> crossover office
[12:48] <cmatheson> what is gnome-vfs-daemon, and do i have to run it?
[12:48] <pedingto> is it mp3? .ogg or just off a CD?
[12:48] <zeeeee> hi all, when i use ssh-agent, it produces a script that i save to a file, which i then source in order to start using ssh-add, etc.... but in ubuntu, as soon as i'm logged in, ssh-agent is already running. where do i find the script i need to source?
[12:49] <hussam> inc595: isn't that based on wine or something like that?
[12:49] <inc595> i think you can get it from isohunt.org
[12:49] <zenlunatic> is there a better pdf reader than xpdf?
[12:49] <inc595> hussam, yea it uses wine
[12:49] <DonL> It's done by CodeWeavers, who also do Wine
[12:49] <pinky_> its mp3
[12:49] <inc595> hussam, it just makes installing the specific windows programs actually work
[12:49] <pedingto> Hrm.  You using the eSound plugin for output?
[12:49] <pinky_> ah nop
[12:50] <pedingto> Try that.
[12:50] <pinky_> where can I find it sorry
[12:50] <hussam> inc595: will AutoCAD install using on it?
[12:50] <inc595> hussam, too bad it doesn't support office 2003 yet
[12:50] <bryan> noob in need of help... im trying to dual-boot winxp on one hd and ubuntu on the other... i have lilo on hdb1, bootsect.lnx on hda1, and c:\bootsect.lnx in my boot.ini on hda1... lilo just hangs.  Any ideas?
[12:50] <pedingto> right click --> options --> preferences
[12:50] <zenlunatic> whats a good pdf reader?
[12:50] <inc595> lemmie check
[12:50] <pedingto> And it'll be the output plugin.
[12:50] <siorfin> which version of mplayer should i install
[12:50] <inc595> aren't all pdf readers the same
[12:50] <othernoob> zenlunatic kpdf, xpdf, gpdf ?
[12:50] <siorfin> there is 586, custom, 386
[12:51] <siorfin> whats the difference
[12:51] <DonL> http://www.codeweavers.com/     This is the website, hussam
[12:51] <othernoob> the difference is the architecture it's been built for siorfin
[12:52] <siorfin> othernoob, yes but which version should i use, custom or 586 or 386, i have a centrino processor which is pentium m i believe
[12:52] <pinky_>  And it'll be the output plugin. - cant find this at all :s
[12:52] <pedingto> did you rightclick on xmms?
[12:52] <pedingto> and go to options then preferences?
[12:52] <pinky_> ahh im in rhythmbox
[12:52] <DonL> hussam, don't take my word for it. The only time I ever used it was a demo version they put out a few years ago. I was amazed that ALL the video stuff worked same as Windows
[12:52] <pedingto> lol
[12:52] <inc595> hussam, it doesn't have auto cad in the list.. you may still be able to install it but I doubt it will be as easy
[12:52] <pedingto> I don't know about rhythmbox, I normally use xmms.
[12:53] <othernoob> siorfin, not sure since i never had a notebook
[12:53] <pinky_> ok cheers
[12:53] <DonL> pedingto, I prefer XMMS to rhythmbox
[12:53] <pedingto> I only really use xmms.
[12:54] <pedingto> I'll probably have a butchers at rhythmbox later.
[12:54] <DonL> I downloaded Amorok today, but haven't had a chance to try it
[12:54] <othernoob> siorfin have you asked in #mplayer
[12:54] <pedingto> I liked the fact it had mp3 support straight after install.
[12:54] <pinky_> hmmm it still does it :(
[12:54] <pedingto> not that I have very many mp3's.
[12:54] <pedingto> Hrm, I have no idea then pinky_. :/
[12:54] <pinky_> ive got 5gb :(
[12:54] <othernoob> pedingto which distro besides fedora doesnt have mp3 support right away?
[12:55] <pinky_> nearly all
[12:55] <inc595> hussam, here's a "Demo" so u can try before you buy http://isohunt.com/torrents.php?ihq=crossover+office&ext=&op=and
[12:55] <pinky_> ubuntu/
[12:55] <pedingto> I couldn't play mp3's on here till I installed xmms.
[12:55] <pinky_> ;)
[12:55] <pinky_> yeap
[12:55] <pinky_> its legal crap
[12:55] <pedingto> mp3 isn't open is it?
[12:56] <Tuxicity> nope
[12:56] <pinky_> nop
[12:56] <pedingto> :)
[12:56] <Tuxicity> Ogg is open :)
[12:56] <pedingto> Yup
[12:56] <pedingto> Thats what most of my ripped stuff is in.
[12:56] <pedingto> can't seem to find .ogg's on limewire though. lol
[12:56] <heather> will bbiaw after getting my SUDO file set up again
[12:56] <inc595> does it being open or not really stop people
[12:57] <DonL> Nice to support as much open stuff as possible
[12:57] <hussam> inc595: yeah I was just looking it up on google, that's true, it won't run autocad.
[12:57] <pedingto> inc595, it stops developers of distro's having native support for it.
[12:57] <inc595> hussam, you can run quicken lol
[12:58] <hussam> inc595: maybe someday, autodesk will make autocad for Linux :/
[12:58] <DonL> Nice chatting, folks. See ya soon
[12:58] <inc595> hussam, ya maybe
[12:58] <zenlunatic> hussam: why don't you just write a free cad or pay someone to
[12:59] <neofeed> someone with some decent custom module kernel injection knowledge might share some insight?
[12:59] <bryan> can anyone help with a dual-booting problem?
[12:59] <neofeed> here's what I got: I got a module I need to compile. with requires me to inject it into the kerneltree.
[12:59] <neofeed> (So I did... )
[12:59] <inc595> hussam, i'm thinking of installing photoshop 7 on ubuntu here but i don't think my 400mhz would like it lol
[12:59] <neofeed> When I run make modules modules_install ... it breaks...
[01:00] <Tuxicity> What's really unfair is we've got open codecs for mp3 but we're not allowed to use them, grrr
[01:00] <inc595> isn't there cad software for linux?
[01:00] <nalioth> Tuxicity: whats that? not allowed?
[01:00] <neofeed> I guess it's because I only got the header... but can it *really* be soo hard to compile a custom module against the ubuntukernel?
[01:00] <inc595> or even unix
[01:00] <hussam> inc595: I really prefer Gimp over photoshop,
[01:00] <sheepdog> bryan: What's the problem?
[01:01] <hussam> inc595: there's qcad but it's no where near AutoCAD.
[01:01] <Tuxicity> nalioth, well not allowed to put them in distro/distribute them
[01:01] <Prottie> inc595: the wacomsupport is a LOT better in photoshop/painter than it is in gimp sadly.
[01:01] <bryan> i have winxp on hda1 and ubuntu on hdb1... lilo is setup on hdb1 to boot and i have a bootsect file on hda1, but everything hangs after the boot.ini is run.
[01:01] <nalioth> Tuxicity: ah
[01:01] <inc595> hussam, i've tried gimp... i can't make circles without having to do 50 different things
[01:02] <Tuxicity> nalioth, i mean cause of the ugly word "patent"
[01:02] <hussam> inc595: you get used to it eventually.
[01:02] <nalioth> Tuxicity: hush, that is vulgar  ;)
[01:02] <Tuxicity> inc595, just use the selection tool (one click, that's easy)
[01:03] <inc595> hussam, well i guess i'm just used to photoshop... it works for me
[01:03] <inc595> Tuxicity, then you need to fill and shrink and cut
[01:03] <Prottie> inc595: we bought crossoveroffice at work. photoshop works great there.
[01:04] <hussam> inc595: try to find photoshop 6 or something, not only should it be cheaper than 7 or 8 but it should run easily on a 400Mhz PC.
[01:04] <Tuxicity> inc595, it has pros. you can make nice complex shapes with this technic
[01:04] <inc595> Prottie, i'm sure it works great but my laptops hardware can't hack it.. 400Mhz 96mb of ram
[01:05] <inc595> i'll tell u one thing gimp does run on it lol :)
[01:05] <bryan> sheepdog: any ideas?
[01:06] <sheepdog> bryan: I'm afraid I don't use lilo so I might not be much help. Did it boot OK before?
[01:06] <Seek26> Hi
[01:07] <bryan> not at all... i tried grub, but it destroyed my mrb and i had to wipe my entire winxp system and hd; someone suggested running it through lilo.  any suggestion on a better dual-boot way; im open to anything right now.
[01:07] <inc595> whoa i can install iTunes with crossover office
[01:07] <concept10> bryan, you dont have to erase winxp to repair the MBR
[01:08] <mwe> how about booting from the xp cd and run fixmbr instead of wiping it :)
[01:08] <Seek26> U could have just used fixmbr
[01:08] <bryan> my mbr on the cd was corrupt... and i didn't have any other backup.  i know, my own stupidity.
[01:09] <pinky_> yay I just got banned from xmms :/
[01:09] <concept10> bryan, http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/wxprcons.htm
[01:09] <pinky_> wankers
[01:09] <Seek26> Lol
[01:09] <sheepdog> Could you try installing lilo/grub on hda1?
[01:09] <hussam> Ok guys, thanks. I gotta go. it's 2 AM here. nice chatting with you.
[01:10] <bryan> an it friend cautioned against that b/c of ntldr hating everything not ms
[01:10] <pinky_> night guys im off to bed
[01:10] <pinky_> and gals
[01:10] <inc595> cya
[01:10] <bryan> concept10: thanks, but it's already been done... :-(
[01:10] <mwe> ntldr wont even know about grub
[01:11] <bryan> mwe: how so?
[01:11] <sheepdog> bryan: I have WinXP on hda1 and Ubuntu on sda to sdd. I installed grub on mbr of hda1 and everything boots ok.
[01:12] <Tuxicity> Any UMS (Universal Mass Storage) device should work on Linux, right?
[01:12] <inc595> ums?
[01:12] <inc595> it that some new term?
[01:12] <Tuxicity> inc595, Universal Mass Storage
[01:12] <damir> never hard of it
[01:12] <bryan> sheepdog: during install, i put grub on hda1 mbr and nothing would load; it just kept trying to load something and restarting...
[01:12] <inc595> Tuxicity, never heard of that
[01:13] <inc595> Tuxicity, harddrive?
[01:13] <Tuxicity> like Portable MP3 Players that can be used like any drive
[01:13] <damir> thats USB storage
[01:13] <concept10> Tuxicity, of course
[01:13] <inc595> oh ok
[01:14] <damir> and USB stands for Universal Serial Bus
[01:14] <inc595> i guess of you have a 4gb stick of usb storage then it'll be univeral mass storage
[01:14] <concept10> bryan, are you going to reinstall ubuntu?
[01:14] <Tuxicity> all is needed is to mount the device, right?
[01:14] <FlannelKing> USB Mass Storage, if anything, google doesnt know UMS except for on a handful of niche sites
[01:14] <inc595> yeah ubuntu automounts mine
[01:15] <inc595> i use an ipod shuffle
[01:15] <Tuxicity> inc595, so the Shuffle works flawlessly in Linux?
[01:15] <bryan> concept10: ive been @#$% with it for a while now.  i really want it to work, but it doesn't seem to want to...
[01:15] <damir> define 'works flawlessly'
[01:15] <pedingto> lol
[01:15] <inc595> it mounts and sees the music.. there are some progs like gtkpod that work with it pretty well
[01:16] <concept10> Tuxicity, it better to post what you want to mount rather than the interface
[01:17] <inc595> still like itunes better so going to install it with crossover office to see how good it works
[01:17] <concept10> bryan, are you going to reinstall Ubuntu?
[01:17] <FlannelKing> and, Tuxicity, which kernel you're using
[01:17] <Tuxicity> 2.6.10
[01:17] <bryan> concept10: i've reinstalled >dozen times in 3 days... what would another install do?
[01:17] <FlannelKing> and what is it youre mounting?
[01:17] <inc595> it should work for you i have this Linux lappy 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i586 GNU/Linux
[01:17] <concept10> bryan, I was simply asking because I was going to say reinstall windows first, and then ubuntu
[01:18] <damir> you need hotplug
[01:18] <Tuxicity> I just want to know if I purchase any Portable MP3/OGG player which works "like a drive" in Winblows, I should be able to mount it in Linux too and w/o a special driver?
[01:18] <sheepdog> bryan: What's in your script that lilo reads to tell it about your drives (/boot/grub/menu.lst for grub) f
[01:18] <inc595> it'll work like a drive in linux too
[01:18] <mwe> 2.6.12.1-eurus #3 Fri Jun 24 18:31:13 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:18] <bryan> concept10: thanks... i read somewhere else winxp should go on first to stop things from going sour... i really want ubuntu to work so badly... :-|
[01:18] <Tuxicity> I ask this before I purchase ;)
[01:19] <bryan> sheepdog: what do you mean?
[01:19] <concept10> bryan, whats wrong with ubuntu?
[01:19] <FlannelKing> yeah, Tuxicity, thumb drives all work, but you might want to google the specific item first, just to check
[01:19] <yonil> is there a program for linux that lets me search for wireless networks and connect to them (its set by default on windows)
[01:19] <bryan> concept10: it won't load at all
[01:19] <inc595> Tuxicity, you know any one that can let you borrow their jump drive..
[01:19] <FlannelKing> something might have funky config DRM crap which cause problems
[01:20] <Tuxicity> FlannelKing, concept10 inc595 damir and others: thanks for the tips :)
[01:20] <Tuxicity> FlannelKing, wait, what's that (DRM) ?
[01:21] <concept10> bryan, good excuse to reinstall and use GRUB instead
[01:21] <FlannelKing> Digital Rights Management, it shouldn't be a problem for the most part, unless the distributer is trying to lock you in to their own software
[01:21] <sheepdog> bryan: grub uses a file called menu.lst, this file tells grub about your boot setup.
[01:21] <bryan> concept10: again?  like i said, it totally killed my system last time...
[01:21] <Tuxicity> FlannelKing, I saw some IRiver MP3 Player that "supports MSDRM"... will that work on Linux?
[01:21] <bryan> sheepdog: im didnt use grub...
[01:22] <sproingie> Tuxicity: microsoft digital rights management?  i'm going to take a wild guess and say "no"
[01:22] <concept10> Tuxicity, some reference for you: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/126
[01:23] <concept10> bryan, are you on that system right now?
[01:23] <Tuxicity> sproingie, concept10: ty
[01:23] <lei> cannot load mysql extension; please check PHP configuration, could anyone help me with this?
[01:23] <yonil> #j linux
[01:24] <bryan> concept10: yeah.  i wiped hda and reinstalled winxp
[01:24] <sheepdog> bryan: Sorry, forgot your using lilo. Like I said, I don't use it so I guess I'll have to bow out on this one, sorry.
[01:24] <z|bandito> how do you use the VESA driver?
[01:24] <concept10> bryan, if you reinstall Ubuntu on that box, make sure GRUB recognizes the windows partition before you rewrite the MBR
[01:25] <bryan> sheepdog:thanks for fighting the good fight... :-)
[01:25] <lei> i uncommented the extension for mysql and the ext dir, and got the php4-mysql package but it's still not workin
[01:25] <bryan> concept10:grub did recognize and still wouldnt load it
[01:26] <concept10> bryan, if GRUB doesnt automagically recognize the winxp partition, that means the MBR is screwed
[01:26] <Gourami> thanks to everyone for being them helpful selves
[01:27] <bryan> concept10: grub did recognize, but when i restarted the system, it just kept restarting itself; wouldnt let me into anything.  i tried to save w/ knoppix, but no luck...
[01:28] <tahooie> Hey, does anybody have any ideas why when compiling I am *sometimes* required to include -lpthread in the require statement? (code hasn't changed)
[01:28] <flodine> a guys how do i change the xclock theme
[01:29] <Davey> anyone know where the "Open in Terminal" hack is? :)
[01:30] <To_Sem_Ideia_Pra> how is the name of the aplication ho make the autoupdates on ubuntu
[01:30] <Davey> on Nautilus Right click
[01:30] <Davey> To_Sem_Ideia_Pra: System > Administration > Ubuntu Update Manager
[01:31] <To_Sem_Ideia_Pra> Davey, no.. but want ti use this aplication on debian and i dont have idea abot how is te name of this aplication
[01:31] <sheepdog> bryan: Just a thought. If your mbr is screwed, how about doing fdisk /mbr from XP. Then using Ubuntu rescue and installing grub or lilo manually?
[01:32] <Davey> there is a tool called "fixbmr" in windows
[01:32] <Davey> fixmbt
[01:32] <Davey> fixmbr
[01:32] <Davey> its on the rescue CD stuff :)
[01:32] <bryan> sheepdog: my mbr is okay now b/c i entirely reinstalled winxp.  now im trying to get ubuntu up and running
[01:33] <To_Sem_Ideia_Pra> somebory know the name of the autoupdate aplication of ubuntu?
[01:33] <jacquesmerde> !faq usability status of colony 2
[01:33] <ubotu> jacquesmerde: Are you smoking crack?
[01:34] <jacquesmerde> ubotu: hmmm.....not yet....
[01:34] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, jacquesmerde
[01:34] <BoD_SWAT> crack is good ;-)
[01:34] <jacquesmerde> !faq locations to buy crack and crack pipe
[01:34] <ubotu> jacquesmerde: I don't know, could you explain it?
[01:34] <Jo3bCoOl> hi all
[01:34] <BoD_SWAT> uhhh, I'm living in the Netherlands, it's legal here :)
[01:35] <Jo3bCoOl> anyone know where i can get linux drivers for a creative labs sound card
[01:35] <Jo3bCoOl> I have no sound
[01:35] <inc595> crack is good
[01:35] <BoD_SWAT> and it's not crack, it's pot/weed :)
[01:35] <Jo3bCoOl> and I have speakers plugged in
[01:35] <sheepdog> bryan: Can you boot Ubuntu from the CD?
[01:35] <BoD_SWAT> Jo3bCoOl, just use ALSA (it works on my Audigy 2)
[01:35] <bassinboy> what can i get off apt to play .rm ?
[01:35] <inc595> i like black tar heroin better
[01:35] <Jo3bCoOl> what's that?
[01:35] <jacquesmerde> ubotu: explain what? i'm chasin'.... you with me???
[01:35] <bryan> the live cd works fine
[01:35] <flodine> omg
[01:36] <BoD_SWAT> Jo3bCoOl, just download/compile your own alsa drivers, and it should work fine :P
[01:36] <pedingto> video/x-msvideo <-- what particular codec do I need for that MIME type?
[01:36] <Jo3bCoOl> where can theybe downloaded?
[01:36] <jacquesmerde> !faq
[01:36] <ubotu> faq is, like, Frequently Asked Questions you can check it out from here ---> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[01:36] <BoD_SWAT> Jo3bCoOl, alsa.org I guess
[01:36] <bassinboy> what do i need for real media?
[01:36] <wweasel> Hi guys. Anyone know what to apt-get for amsn?
[01:36] <Davey> real player
[01:37] <BoD_SWAT> pedingto, try installing Mplayer using all codecs :)
[01:37] <_Legion_> I got a little problem with cairo on breazy, cairo-ps.h shows cairo_ps_surface_set_dpi (), but the linker is given me an undefined reference ...
[01:37] <Davey> wweasel: use synaptic
[01:37] <pedingto> Ok BoD_SWAT thanks :)
[01:37] <BoD_SWAT> pedingto, no problemo
[01:37] <wweasel> davey: meaning?
[01:37] <Jo3bCoOl> alsa.org is the Lou Gehrig disease website
[01:37] <BoD_SWAT> wweasel, use "apt-cache search msn"
[01:37] <Jo3bCoOl> :/
[01:38] <BoD_SWAT> wweasel, then install the program with "apt-get install .."
[01:38] <wweasel> bod_swat: thanks
[01:38] <_Legion_> nm -D /usr/lib/libcairo.so.1.0.0 | grep ps shows nothing
[01:38] <BoD_SWAT> Jo3bCoOl, http://www.alsa-project.org/
[01:38] <_Legion_> in fact shows that the  function is  not there.
[01:38] <_Legion_> any help?
[01:38] <BoD_SWAT> Jo3bCoOl, google always knows the answer :P
[01:38] <jacquesmerde> how buggy is colony 2? hoary has a show-stopping bug with my hardware, and would happily get rid of that bug for a series of pesky minor ones...
[01:39] <Jo3bCoOl> what else can I do?
[01:39] <BoD_SWAT> wweasel, no problem
[01:39] <sheepdog> What about using the install CD as a rescue disc and passing the kernel the partition you installed Ubuntu on?
[01:39] <bryan> sheepdog: when you set up your system, did grub work effortlessly?
[01:40] <bryan> sheepdog: how would i do that?
[01:40] <bassinboy> there's nothing on apt to play real media ?
[01:41] <BoD_SWAT> Jo3bCoOl, try telling us some more information. Like card-type etc.
[01:41] <sheepdog> bryan: I had no problems with the install. XP partition was detected and GRUB installed on hda1 automatically.
[01:42] <Jo3bCoOl> its a SB 24-bit
[01:43] <steveO_Office> hello all ? thinking of thying ubuntu on my laptop but I need a good tool like kinternet, any help would be greatfull - http://home.homefrontus.com/here/kinternet.jpg
[01:43] <Discipulus> I have a problem.
[01:43] <bryan> sheepdog: i get to the screen where everything looks fine, winxp is recognized, i told it to put into the mbr of hda.  when i take out the cd and reboot, it make just past my bios screen and then starts the endless game of restarting the entire system, making it past the bios screen, as so on and so on...
[01:43] <zeeeee> hi all, when i use ssh-agent, it produces a script that i save to a file, which i then source in order to start using ssh-add, etc.... but in ubuntu, as soon as i'm logged in, ssh-agent is already running. where do i find the script i need to source?
[01:44] <Discipulus> I reset the hostname with /bin/hostname
[01:44] <Discipulus> and now I can't open new windows in X
[01:44] <Discipulus> nor can I sudo
[01:45] <Discipulus> how do I alleviate this problem?
[01:46] <sheepdog> bryan: Does your BIOS have any form of write protection for the mbr, If it does is it on?
[01:46] <bryan> sheepdog: i dont think so; how would i know?
[01:46] <BoD_SWAT> Jo3bCoOl, are you using the newest Ubuntu and did you even try to install alsa?
[01:47] <Tuxicity> Discipulus, tried "su" instead?
[01:47] <Jo3bCoOl> I have ummmmmm hedgehog 5.04
[01:47] <Discipulus> Tuxicity: Root account is disabled on Ubuntu :-P
[01:47] <BoD_SWAT> Jo3bCoOl, http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Creative_Labs    look if your card is in there. And look if there are 'special' instructions etc.
[01:48] <Jo3bCoOl> I went to that site
[01:48] <Discipulus> any other suggestions on how to fix this?
[01:49] <Discipulus> ???
[01:49] <Discipulus> help, anyone?
[01:49] <BoD_SWAT> Jo3bCoOl, I have an Audigy2. I compiled ALSA using a special flag. It works great now. (BTW, you went to that site, but did you do anything with the information on the site?)
[01:49] <sheepdog> bryan: You would have to enter the BIOS setup when booting by pressing a key (which key depends on the BIOS you have). You might see a message like 'Press DEL for SETUP'
[01:49] <Tuxicity> Discipulus, perhaps if you boot on LiveCD, then cant you access any files w/o the root password? just a guess
[01:49] <TooSad> hi
[01:49] <Discipulus> Tuxicity: yea, that would work, except I don't have a live CD
[01:49] <Jo3bCoOl> capture of sound not supported
[01:49] <BoD_SWAT> Discipulus, did you install Ubuntu or are you talking about the live cd?
[01:49] <bryan> sheepdog: ive been in there before... nothing said it was write-protected...] 
[01:49] <Tuxicity> Discipulus, boot on Install CD and you can have a terminal
[01:50] <Discipulus> Tuxicity: how?
[01:50] <TooSad> i have installed amule 2.0.3 but i have a problem: amule: error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk2_xrc-2.6.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:50] <Discipulus> BoD_SWAT: I installed it. Then I changed the hostname. Now sudo doesn't work.
[01:50] <TooSad> who can help me?
[01:50] <TokenBad> ok how in the hell do I get the xsane to give me a full scan of a picture?
[01:50] <BoD_SWAT> Discipulus, try "sudo su" to get into root
[01:51] <Discipulus> sudo doesn't work ...
[01:51] <Tuxicity> Discipulus, dont remember *exactly*, but you press ESC or something to get to the main installation menu, then there is an option to get to a console. or try ctrl-alt-f1
[01:51] <Tuxicity> Discipulus, it can be used as some sort of rescue mode
[01:51] <Discipulus> Tuxicity: I'll give it a try, thanks
[01:51] <BoD_SWAT> Jo3bCoOl, it probably means that you can't use your line-in... But you can prolly play sound. Just install ALSA and try it!
[01:52] <Tuxicity> Discipulus, np
[01:52] <sheepdog> bryan: Thinking!
[01:53] <TooSad> i have installed amule 2.0.3 but i have a problem: amule: error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk2_xrc-2.6.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:53] <bryan> sheepdog: take whatever time you need... im just praying for a solution!  ;-)
[01:54] <Jo3bCoOl> ok... I downloaded also-driver-0.5.10.tar.bz2
[01:54] <Jo3bCoOl> how do I install it?
[01:55] <TokenBad> anyone?
[01:55] <Jo3bCoOl> alsa driver, rather
[01:56] <BoD_SWAT> Jo3bCoOl, plz read the install file or search google.
[01:58] <sheepdog> bryan: A quick Google tells me that LILO uses a file called lilo.conf (maybe in /etc) which holds details of how you want to boot your system. Perhaps the installer has written the wrong information to this file? Can you check it to see if it has your XP and Ubuntu partitions correct?
[02:00] <wweasel> jo3bco0l, if you did apt-get install, then the system installed it for you
[02:01] <arkhang> bonsoir
[02:01] <bryan> sheepdog: to try and get it to work (in a desperate bid) i did this: dd if=/dev/hdb1 of=bootsect.lnx bs=512 count=1... that gave me a bootsect.lnx file to put in the c:\ directory of windows. once there, i changed the boot.ini to include c:\bootsect.lnx="Ubuntu"... that's how im trying to load it.
[02:01] <arkhang> euh svp jai un pb avec ubuntu
[02:01] <arkhang> est ce que qqn peut maider ?
[02:02] <Tuxicity> arkhang, peut-tre, lequel?
[02:02] <arkhang> eu
[02:02] <arkhang> dison ke c un pb gnral lol
[02:02] <arkhang> je dbute
[02:02] <arkhang> la
[02:02] <BoD_SWAT> wweasel, apt-get didn't work for me. I had to  use a special flag. So that's why I recommended compiling it on your own
[02:02] <arkhang> je cherche commen monter mon disque dur
[02:02] <wweasel> makes sense
[02:03] <Tuxicity> arkhang, stp va sur #ubuntu-fr
[02:03] <FlannelKing> arkhang, #ubuntu-fr
[02:03] <BoD_SWAT> arkhang, Tuxicity could you please speak english? I feel like a forener now
[02:03] <arkhang> ok
[02:03] <Tuxicity> BoD_SWAT, sure
[02:03] <BoD_SWAT> :)
[02:03] <cafuego> Hmmm, I wonder why my laptop suddenly thinks it's a 3.8GHz machine
[02:03] <BoD_SWAT> that would be cool
[02:04] <BoD_SWAT> if you have enough cooling :)
[02:04] <BoD_SWAT> cafuego, your laptop it faking it !  :-P
[02:04] <cafuego> Well, the fan _did_ go mad...
[02:04] <BoD_SWAT> like a vacume-cleaner
[02:04] <redir> Anything like tux cards or knowit for ubuntu?
[02:04] <BoD_SWAT> it's not like you're OC'ing?
[02:05] <cafuego> BoD_SWAT: Yes. It's a 1.66GHz XP-M 2000+. Bu /proc/cpuinfo tells me it runs at 3.864486 GHz
[02:05] <BoD_SWAT> redir, try "apt-cache search ..."    and use "cards" or something like keywords :D
[02:05] <cafuego> Well, it's throttled to 1.24GHz now coz it's idle ;-)
[02:05] <wweasel> now, if only you could overclock it that high  :P
[02:05] <sheepdog> bryan: Don't think that will work LILO/GRUB don't read any dirs on C: as far as I know.
[02:05] <BoD_SWAT> cafuego, very strange
[02:06] <cafuego> I wnder if it's anything to do th the acpi timer thingie
[02:06] <wweasel> hey, is it possible to uninstall something you apt-get?
[02:06] <cafuego> I'll just set a kernel to compile and see ;-)
[02:07] <bryan> sheepdog: i found a page entitled "how to dual boot windows nt/2000/xp and linux using ntldr" and thought it was my savior... are you telling me the internet may be full of bad information?!?!?!  ;-O
[02:07] <BoD_SWAT> wweasel, apt-get remove    :)
[02:08] <wweasel> :) thanks bod
[02:08] <wweasel> i tried kubuntu, but i find it rather bloated for this old system. and it takes alot of space :P
[02:08] <_0kills> hey guys, you know if its possible to convert a .mp3 to .wav?
[02:09] <FlannelKing> yes, it is
[02:09] <sheepdog> bryan: That would be for dual booting two windows system, say NT and 2000 I think. This is the page I am reading on installing LILO www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/linux_install/lilo.html.
[02:09] <_0kills> FlannelKing, how can i do it?
[02:09] <FlannelKing> in Ubuntu?
[02:09] <_0kills> yea
[02:09] <wweasel> BoD_SWAT: wait, will apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop, also remove the other stuff that came with kubuntu-desktop?
[02:10] <_SWAT_> People, I find it cool to see everyone so 'alive' at 02.00 :D
[02:10] <wweasel> it's 8:00 in canada/us
[02:10] <FlannelKing> _0Kills, are you doing it to burn a CD? or what?
[02:10] <_SWAT_> wweasel, then you're up early :)
[02:10] <linuxbegins> hello
[02:10] <bryan> sheepdog: read that page, but didnt think it applied to what i was trying to do... with chips down, would you suggest trying to reinstall, yet again, with grub to the mbr?
[02:10] <wweasel> 8:00 pm
[02:11] <_0kills> FlannelKing, i just want to convert a .mp3 file to .wav so i can use it in the system sounds
[02:11] <_SWAT_> wweasel, hehehehe OK
[02:11] <linuxbegins> can linux act as a domain controller like windows
[02:11] <pedingto> night folks
[02:11] <linuxbegins> that it can create users?
[02:11] <inemo> wweasel: east coast US?
[02:11] <jUiCeR> _0kills: XMMS has a disk writer plugin
[02:11] <salvia> dns server?
[02:11] <wweasel> inemo: yes
[02:11] <salvia> anyone got openvpn installed?
[02:11] <jUiCeR> similar to winamp diskwriter
[02:12] <linuxbegins> and like students can login
[02:12] <FlannelKing> Thanks juicer, saved me from doing some googling
[02:12] <wweasel> _SWAT_, do you know if apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop will also remove the stuff that came with kubuntu?
[02:12] <_0kills> thanks jUiCeR and FlannelKing
[02:12] <jUiCeR> np
[02:12] <inemo> 1:12am here *yawns*
[02:12] <_SWAT_> wweasel, I don't know. I'm using 'normal' Ubuntu with Gnome
[02:12] <linuxbegins> what should i do to achive that?
[02:12] <jUiCeR> totally easy
[02:12] <_SWAT_> wweasel, but why did you want to do that?
[02:12] <jUiCeR> in XMMS just go to preferences and i/o plugins
[02:12] <jUiCeR> choose the disk writer as the output plugin
[02:13] <thingy> wweasel: if you do a apt-get -s something it will simulate what it will do without actually doing it
[02:13] <jUiCeR> im pretty sure it just takes XMMS audio feed and sends it to raw audio
[02:13] <linuxbegins> can anyone give me a idea?
[02:13] <_0kills> jUiCeR, k, ill figure it out
[02:13] <salvia> *
[02:13] <salvia> :P
[02:13] <sheepdog> bryan: I think GRUB's the best boot loader, but before you do that I'll reboot using the Ubuntu install disc and try to get that to start Ubuntu on my box and I'll get back to you here in about 10 mins.
[02:13] <steveO_Office> ? im thinking of thying ubuntu on my laptop but I need a good tool like kinternet, any help would be greatfull - http://home.homefrontus.com/here/kinternet.jpg
[02:14] <salvia> so install kinternet
[02:14] <salvia> on ubuntu
[02:14] <inemo> kismet ?
[02:14] <wweasel> _SWAT_: i wanted to check out KDE (this is my first time with linux), but i decided I much perfer GNOME. now i want to ditch kubuntu
[02:14] <salvia> gnome owns it
[02:14] <salvia> kde got good apps tho
[02:14] <wweasel> yeah, but it's taxing on this old hardware and it's ugly :P
[02:15] <rasputnik> linuxbegins: you want samba - that can be a PDC
[02:15] <bryan> sheepdog: thanks a ton... wifey is pulling at my arm b/c she's hungry and wants to go out to dinner, but i'll check back later.  if you dont think thats a good plan, you can always get me at moore.bryan@gmail.com... once, again, thanks so much for your insight...
[02:15] <_SWAT_> wweasel, I thought you can select your 'session' type at the login screen? Can't you select Gnome there? If not, try apt-getting 'normal' ubuntu, seems easier :D
[02:15] <linuxbegins> hello
[02:15] <salvia> anyone here ever exprienced with openvpn ?
[02:15] <FlannelKing> install XFCE4 then, if you want something more lightweight
[02:15] <linuxbegins> can anyone help me out?
[02:15] <salvia> xfce suck
[02:15] <salvia> looks like nasa's desktops
[02:16] <wweasel> lol
[02:16] <_SWAT_> salvia, thnx for clapping though :)
[02:16] <salvia> np
[02:16] <salvia> why u throw unix bible @ me?
[02:16] <salvia> cuz xfce suck ?
[02:16] <salvia> :P
[02:16] <sheepdog> bryan: Ok, if your not here I'll mail you. Don't want you getting into trouble ;-) See you later.
[02:16] <nsillik> i just installed breezy, i can't install gxine now ... is this a known issue?
[02:16] <_SWAT_> linuxbegins, please use google first
[02:17] <bryan> sheepdog: appreciate it...
[02:17] <_SWAT_> salvia, I threw it for fun. Like at World of Warcraft (you can throw balls to eachother)
[02:17] <salvia> linuxbegins what _SWAT_ acctualy saying is : STFU
[02:17] <salvia> oh coo
[02:17] <nsillik> i can't even install it from source, it seems like it wont work with gcc4.0
[02:17] <reka> nsillik: you *do* know that breezy is still in development right?
[02:18] <linuxbegins> i found samba
[02:18] <salvia> nsillik u update/upgrade the ports with apt ?
[02:18] <_SWAT_> salvia, don't be so mean. We should encourage people to use linux (and use google). Somehow everyone thinks IRC is a non-stop help channel
[02:18] <linuxbegins> but i think that will not cut it
[02:18] <nsillik> of COURSE i know it's still in development
[02:18] <salvia> _SWAT_ yeh
[02:18] <salvia> but
[02:18] <nsillik> i tried upgrading, but it broke some things, so i got a daily-build-image
[02:18] <salvia> none of us can decide how to educate those who dont know
[02:18] <salvia> free world man, let the asker ask his questions
[02:18] <salvia> even if you dont like it
[02:18] <reka> nsillik: just checking. :)
[02:18] <salvia> IN MASSES !
[02:18] <linuxbegins> im just starting with linux
[02:18] <linuxbegins> and just having to grasp its concept
[02:19] <FlannelKing> linuxbegins, what are you looking for?
[02:19] <salvia> most of my skills on linux started from irc
[02:19] <nsillik> i can't even compile the source, it tells me that /lib/cpp is not sane
[02:19] <salvia> ;)
[02:19] <_SWAT_> linuxbegins, a good begin is www.tldp.org and www.ubuntuforums.org (and ofcourse www.google.com)
[02:19] <salvia> www.ubuntuguide.org of curz !!1
[02:19] <linuxbegins> like the active directory of windows
[02:19] <salvia> linuxbegins groupware stuff ?
[02:19] <_0kills> how do i remove a package?
[02:19] <linuxbegins> is that what they are called in linux?
[02:20] <linuxbegins> group ware
[02:20] <salvia> what do u mean linuxbegins give me a MS example
[02:20] <linuxbegins> like you manage user accounts?
[02:20] <salvia> exchange server?
[02:20] <_SWAT_> linuxbegins, my 1st google hit: http://www.wown.com/articles_tutorials/Authenticating-Linux-Active-Directory.html
[02:20] <salvia> oh
[02:20] <_SWAT_> linuxbegins, what do you EXACTLY want to achieve/have?
[02:20] <reka> nsillik: have you installed build-essential?
[02:20] <nsillik> well, if i'm not going to solve my problem with gxine, i'd like to get totem working correctly, but i've _never_ had that work, my movies can't be resized and often have the wrong aspect ratio
[02:20] <salvia> gotcha
[02:20] <linuxbegins> i want linux to be a domain controller
[02:20] <salvia> then go samba :)
[02:21] <salvia> www.ubuntuguide.org got a very good examples
[02:21] <linuxbegins> witch can manage user accounts by my students
[02:21] <salvia> including dhcp
[02:21] <salvia> and how to enable WINS
[02:21] <salvia> etc
[02:21] <salvia> it rox
[02:21] <_0kills> nsillik, have you tried VLC?
[02:21] <linuxbegins> yes all
[02:21] <nsillik> i guess i should use vlc, it's just not as /pretty/
[02:21] <_SWAT_> linuxbegins, 1st google hit: http://librenix.com/?inode=759   2nd hit: http://lilly.csoft.net/~vdebaere/handleiding/samba-activedirectory/
[02:22] <nsillik> oh wait, VLC won't install from apt-get "Depends: dbus-1 (>=0.23.4) but it is not installable"
[02:22] <_SWAT_> vlc rules. I used it at school because we can't install software and needed a program to play DVD's (for a presentation)
[02:22] <nsillik> among other errors (don't want to flood)
[02:23] <_0kills> youre using breezy?
[02:23] <_SWAT_> linuxbegins, did you have a look at the hits I gave you?
[02:23] <linuxbegins> ok thnx
[02:23] <linuxbegins> yes im looking at it now
[02:23] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > hey can enyone help me with a iwconfig problem?
[02:23] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > in new to linux
[02:23] <linuxbegins> ill ask if i dont understand something
[02:23] <nsillik> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] : what's the problem?
[02:23] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > ok well I did have damn small linux installed
[02:24] <Efwis> help, got a serious issue with gnome-panel. options that I had avialable are now fubar, and I can't reload them on it. I already had to reinstall gnome-panel just to get it work at all, any Ideas??
[02:24] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > and it worked fine with my wireless card
[02:24] <_SWAT_> nsillik, did you use apt-get and used sudo or were root?
[02:24] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > but iwconfig wont let me change my channel or freq in UBUNTU
[02:24] <nsillik> _SWAT_: i always use sudo
[02:25] <_SWAT_> nsillik, I'm just logged in as root (console) and am installing VLC. No problems till now (btw, do you have backports added? I find them very usefull)
[02:25] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > and wheever I change my router to what iwconfig says is running, iwconfig changes it to the next lowest one
[02:25] <nsillik> _SWAT_: on breezy?
[02:26] <reka> Efwis: what do you mean by options?
[02:26] <nsillik> _SWAT_: what's the apt.sources line for backports?
[02:26] <_SWAT_> nsillik, ow.. hehehe. Sorry, I'm using Hoary :P
[02:26] <_SWAT_> nsillik, look at www.ubuntuguide.org  It's somewhere in there
[02:27] <nsillik> _SWAT_: i had it working fine on hoary too, and i was wondering how there were backports for breezy... backports FROM THE FUTURE.....
[02:27] <reka> _SWAT_: i have read that it's a bad idea to use backports as it can cause dependency problems
[02:27] <CarlFK> is shorewall is the only "supported" firewall?   I need something to run on a gateway/webserver box that does port forwarding
[02:27] <_SWAT_> reka, I'm willing to take the chance. But at least I got newer versions of my software (example: GAIM)
[02:27] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > anyone help?
[02:28] <reka> _SWAT_: ok then.  just thought i'd point it out.
[02:28] <_SWAT_> reka,  thnx though :P
[02:28] <nsillik> so is there any way to get VLC or GXINE installed on a current breezy?
[02:29] <_SWAT_> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , did you try google? (I can't help you, haven't got wireless installed here, sorry)
[02:29] <zenlunatic> anyone here on an ibook know if the built-in mic works?
[02:29] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > ok, just checked, i can get to my routers address now. that was one thing that wasn't working before
[02:29] <_SWAT_> nsillik, did you try to upgrade the package manually? (the dep)
[02:29] <nsillik> _SWAT_: let me try that
[02:30] <Efwis> reka, I don't have my system monitor anymore,i dont' have my mixer control anymore, and I dont' have my trach bin accesss anymore. plus a few others that I never used but might need to someday
[02:30] <reka> Efwis: and you can't add them again?
[02:30] <_SWAT_> Efwis, in the panel? Did you try to 'add' them to the panel?
[02:30] <_SWAT_> reka, LOL
[02:30] <nsillik> _SWAT_: the needed packages don't even exist in the repository
[02:31] <_SWAT_> and downloading the source and compiling it yourself?
[02:31] <nsillik> _SWAT_: it kindof tells me /lib/cpp is fscked
[02:31] <Madpilot> evening all -- can someone tell me the command to get Ubuntu to tell me grphx card/driver info?
[02:31] <Efwis> reka and _SWAT_, yes to both questions
[02:32] <_SWAT_> Efwis, strange
[02:32] <reka> Efwis: someone fixed weird panel problems before by reconfiguring xorg.
[02:32] <Efwis> needless to say, I have been having serious issues with gnome-panel since the latest kernal update came out
[02:33] <zenlunatic> when i hit record in sound recorder it says 'device "/dev/dsp" does not exist'. im trying this on ibook using built in mic. anyone have any ideas?
[02:33] <Efwis> I have no idea on how to reconfigure xorg
[02:33] <Efwis> my hacking skills are little rusty, plus this isn't DOS lol
[02:33] <reka> Efwis: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg iirc
[02:33] <reka> Efwis: i'd backup your xorg.conf file first though
[02:34] <Efwis> ok will try in a moment
[02:34] <ukato> hi, i'm installing java, and i'm following an article on the ubuntu wiki. however, when i try to add the repository it lists, i run into an error
[02:36] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > ok, I got it working.
[02:36] <nsillik> here is my solution: wait a few weeks and hope the dependency hell is fixed
[02:36] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > for some reason, it would not activate dhcp, now it did and all is good.
[02:36] <reka> ukato: telling us the error might be helpful :)
[02:36] <ukato> reka, of course, wanted to make sure someone was willing first :P
[02:37] <reka> ukato: well, i'm willing to have a look. fire away.
[02:37] <ukato> well, the first error is
[02:38] <reka> wait
[02:38] <reka> use a pastebin if it's too long
[02:38] <ukato> "PASS failed, server said: login incorrect"
[02:38] <ukato> it's not.
[02:38] <reka> ok then :)
[02:39] <ukato> and then more of the "PASS failed"
[02:39] <asimismo> Anyone, so what might I expect a line like this to do? dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386
[02:39] <asimismo> ...taken from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingToRAID1?highlight=%28raid1%29
[02:40] <ironmc> Why are my cd drives not ejecting when I push the button?  I can open one from the terminal but the other is "busy"
[02:41] <ukato> and then near the end, it tells me to run apt-get update to fix the problem, but i'm already running it when i get that
[02:41] <_SWAT_> OK. Time to get a bit personal. What do you guys do IRL? My ASL: M/21/Netherlands  Job: Student ;-)
[02:41] <reka> ukato: which site did you add to your sources.list?
[02:42] <asimismo> _SWAT_: Java coder, Redmond, WA, believe it or not...
[02:42] <wizo> g`day
[02:42] <ukato> eb ftp://ubuntujava.yimports.com/ binary/
[02:42] <ukato> deb-src ftp://ubuntujava.yimports.com/ source/
[02:42] <_SWAT_> asimismo, w00t, nice :D
[02:42] <ukato> deb*
[02:42] <_SWAT_> just trying to give the chan a bit more of a personal touch ;-)
[02:43] <flugh_> asimismo, i went to redmon once. picked up a 48' trailer full of trash floppy disks, cds, etc from 1 Microsoft Way :)
[02:43] <reka> ukato: and the link to the install instructions?
[02:43] <_SWAT_> asimismo, asl ? (I'm just plain nosy)
[02:43] <ukato> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java15
[02:43] <asimismo> _SWAT_ Good call. I have a hard time getting answers to my questions here. Maybe I'm asking the wrong questions?
[02:43] <wizo> after installing some nvidia drivers following instructions in er, ubuntuguide, my screen juz goes black every time i try to lload ubuntu, any ideas how to fix it?
[02:43] <flugh_> asimismo, took them to some recycling place near san francisco. it was a nice facility. free food in the break room, carpeted bathrooms. people were happy
[02:44] <asimismo> flugh_ Interesting...
[02:44] <wizo> i really dont wanna download and install everything again
[02:44] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > question: since BUUNTU is build on debian, can i download and install debian packages?
[02:44] <reka> ukato: hmmm, well if it helps, i get the same error
[02:44] <ukato> heheh
[02:45] <ukato> reka, do you have java isntalled
[02:45] <asimismo> _SWAT_ Not sure what ASL means?
[02:45] <_SWAT_> asimismo, dpkg-reconfigure, reconfigures the packages :P
[02:45] <ukato> installed*
[02:45] <_SWAT_> asimismo, Age/Sex/Location :D (
[02:45] <reka> ukato: nope
[02:45] <reka> hang on though
[02:45] <ukato> damn
[02:45] <ukato> okay, thanks
[02:45] <asimismo> _SWAT_ Thanks! But in that context what does it do? More importantly, what I should I do in my situation? I'm installing 5.04
[02:45] <_SWAT_> wizo, you aren't out of range?
[02:46] <asimismo> _SWAT_ Ah: M/33
[02:46] <wizo> ?
[02:46] <_SWAT_> wizo, try CTRL + F1 and try to get into console and get the standard drivers working again
[02:46] <wizo> and hwo can i do that?
[02:46] <wizo> when i cant even see the ubuntu start up screen
[02:46] <reka> ukato: ok, here we go, try this:
[02:46] <reka> for java: download the .bin file
[02:46] <reka> from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package,
[02:46] <reka> chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] ,
[02:46] <reka> dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[02:46] <_SWAT_> asimismo, for some reason I couldn't find your problem (please paste it to me in PM :P)
[02:47] <wizo> recovery mode?
[02:47] <reka> whoops, bad paste.
[02:47] <wizo> brb
[02:47] <_SWAT_> reka, don't spam the chan :)
[02:47] <reka> _SWAT_: yeah, sorry :)
[02:48] <wizo> ok back
[02:48] <wizo> so er, how can i load the original drivers back?
[02:49] <nbx909|linux> is there a way to use ubuntu like with out X but when you have X installed already?
[02:49] <_SWAT_> wizo, you'll have to change your xorg.conf file
[02:49] <nbx909|linux> does that make any sense?
[02:49] <_SWAT_> asimismo, why do you want RAID so bad?
[02:50] <IceDC571> i got AIM 5.9 working with direct connections in ubuntu :) yay!!
[02:50] <asimismo> _SWAT_ Because I can? :-) Seems like a good idea. Want to learn.
[02:50] <_SWAT_> nbx909|linux, doesn't make sense (to me). Do you mean without Gnome etc. ? So that you'll only get a console login?
[02:50] <reka> nbx909|linux: yes, heaps of people run console only.
[02:51] <nbx909|linux> yeah just consol only but i want to be able go into X some times
[02:51] <benplaut> when you log in, click "session", then select "failsafe terminal"
[02:51] <ukato> icedc571, just wondering, why did you install AIM? not like gaim?
[02:51] <_SWAT_> asimismo, RAID isn't that great. It has a very slight performance increase, but you'll risk losing all of your data if 1 harddisk fails. So I also CAN use raid but choose not to :P
[02:51] <benplaut> and then select gnome when you want a GUI
[02:51] <IceDC571> ukato: because direct connections dont work on gaim
[02:51] <nbx909|linux> benplaut, is there a way to make the fail safe terminal full screen?
[02:51] <IceDC571> only reason why i would use aim
[02:51] <_SWAT_> nbx909|linux, did you try apt-get remove gnome (or something like that? :P)
[02:51] <reka> nbx909|linux: hmm, i may be wrong, but what about just booting into recovery mode?
[02:51] <ukato> ah yes
[02:51] <asimismo> _SWAT_ Oh, I'm doing RAID1
[02:52] <ukato> icedc571 i was wondering if i was doing something wrong, or if it was gaim
[02:52] <reka> _SWAT_: he still wants the option of booting into a DE. :)
[02:52] <asimismo> _SWAT_ That's what the wiki page I posted is about...
[02:52] <nbx909|linux> reka, would all of the services still work?
[02:52] <wizo> _SWAT_: when installing the drivers, i did this command >> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup
[02:52] <IceDC571> ukato: gain direct connections only work for other gaim users
[02:52] <asimismo> reka: DE?
[02:52] <IceDC571> gaim*
[02:52] <_SWAT_> --> the wiki page in question    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingToRAID1?highlight=%28raid1%29
[02:52] <reka> nbx909|linux: that's the thing...i'm not certain.
[02:52] <ukato> oh ok
[02:52] <reka> asimismo: desktop environment
[02:52] <asimismo> reka: ah
[02:52] <reka> window manager
[02:52] <tatiana> i'm on a laptop with an Yamaha OPLSynth sound card on it.  In other distros I used alsaconf to set up its sound but i can't seem to do that w/ubuntu in either XFCE or Gnome?
[02:52] <reka> whatever :)
[02:52] <_SWAT_> wizo, than you do cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf :P
[02:53] <wizo> ooo interesting
[02:53] <_SWAT_> :P
[02:53] <wizo> so it copies from .conf_backup into .conf?
[02:53] <_SWAT_> I would do that if the backup file DID work ;-)
[02:53] <_SWAT_> that's the function of backups :D
[02:54] <wizo> i backed up the file before i did anythign ;)
[02:54] <vinux> tatiana explain the problem alittle more please. Any error msgs?
[02:54] <asimismo> So the wike page has this: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386   What would be the appropriate command for Hoary?
[02:54] <wizo> thx a lot _SWAT_
[02:54] <Nova-A001> Is there any way of mounting partitons in Ubuntu without mucking about with config files?
[02:54] <ukato> msg reka so i'm guessing that wiki page is wrong?
[02:54] <_SWAT_> wizo, np (I'll cross my fingers also)
[02:54] <ukato> -msg
[02:54] <nbx909|linux> Nova-A001, mount /dev/drive
[02:55] <arbeck23> has anyone ever seen this.  You are loging into the command line, and you type the username and hit enter... but you just get a new line it doesn't accept the username and prompt for a password?
[02:55] <tatiana> um vinux it says it can't find a device at all iirc
[02:55] <nbx909|linux> Nova-A001, mount /dev/drive /mount/point *
[02:55] <reka> ukato: the site might just be down or something.
[02:55] <cafuego> don't forget '-t type'
[02:55] <tatiana> i tried to use a volume control & it says device not found i think was the error
[02:55] <reka> ukato: but those instructions came from an op, so i'd assume they're reliable. :)
[02:55] <cafuego> and /or '-o options'
[02:55] <Nova-A001> so [mount dev/hda4 /mount/winxp] ?
[02:55] <reka> Nova-A001: there's a GUI tool iirc
[02:55] <asimismo> _SWAT_ You're not opposed to raid1, I don't suppose?
[02:56] <ukato> reka, heh, ok
[02:56] <tatiana> tried to run alsaconf as root too, vinux but its not installed i'm guesing?
[02:56] <nbx909|linux> Nova-A001, mount /dev/hda4/ /mount/winxp/
[02:56] <ukato> so i should just wait a bit?
[02:56] <Nova-A001> thankies!
[02:56] <reka> ukato: up to you.  you already have a solution imho
[02:56] <vinux> tatiana, do #sudo apt-get install alsaconf
[02:56] <nbx909|linux> Nova-A001, np
[02:57] <tatiana> vinux, is there another way to configure my soundcard by default other than installing alsaconf?
[02:57] <_SWAT_> asimismo, raid1 is performance decrease (yet very 'secure' )
[02:57] <_SWAT_> asimismo, I'll read the wiki now
[02:58] <vinux> tatiana, well to tell you the truth on ubuntu it's installed for me when I go throught the install process. But on Slackware I had to use alsaconf
[02:58] <tatiana> alsa was installed for you??
[02:59] <chaps0063> Hi, I was wondering why I can't play shoutcast.com streams in totem?
[02:59] <asimismo> _SWAT_ I'm setting up a server and I don't want to lose my photos, hence raid1. But the Hoary install doesn't handle the configuration I'm throwing at it.
[02:59] <primos> hmm
[02:59] <reka> chaps0063: what format are they in?
[02:59] <_SWAT_> asimismo, remember this wiki is for WARTY and the current versions is HOARY.   (just wanted to let you know)
[02:59] <chaps0063> reka, I believe mp3.
[03:00] <asimismo> _SWAT_ Yeah, I can see that there's a difference. But it's all I've got! (Well, except for you... ;-) )
[03:00] <_SWAT_> asimismo, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35300&highlight=raid1
[03:00] <ironmc> Why are my cd drives not ejecting when I push the button?  I can open one from the terminal but the other is "busy"
[03:01] <vinux> tatiana, you might need to install the alsa modules too
[03:02] <reka> chaps0063: and you've installed gstreamer0.8-mad [https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats] 
[03:02] <_SWAT_> asimismo, please use google and ubuntuforums.org :). I would like to help you, but I don't have any experience with raid and linux, so I don't want to let you crash'n'burn
[03:02] <asimismo> _SWAT_ Thanks. Not sure if I've seen those posts or not. The problem I'm having is that when I get to the bootloader part of the install it fails. I'm pretty sure I've got the partitions set up right (lvm on raid1).
[03:03] <_SWAT_> asimismo, did you try reinstalling/reconfiguring the bootloader?
[03:03] <asimismo> _SWAT_ Oh, I've Googled a fair bit. And worked with a fellow on #evms to work out the correct partitioning scheme.
[03:03] <_SWAT_> asimismo, then I'm very sorry. I can't help you. I'm dependent of google in this problem (e.g. my answers will be 'google' answers)
[03:04] <asimismo> _SWAT_ I've installed several times. I've had raid1 working and I've had lvm working. I don't know that I've had both.
[03:04] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > this is really stupid, but how do I run my new install of firefox 1.0.4?
[03:04] <_SWAT_> to be honest, I find myself to be a linux newbie, still :P
[03:04] <reka> ironmc: right-click on the CD's desktop icon and eject through there maybe?
[03:04] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > it opens 1.0.2 when I open the icon in the menues
[03:04] <asimismo> _SWAT_ Actually, I'm imagining that first wiki page was mostly right. I just needed to understand what that one line did so I could figure out what my machine called for with Hoary.
[03:04] <_SWAT_> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , did you apt-get it?
[03:05] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > umm no, im a total newbie, all i know is that i was plesantly suprised becuase it has an installer that I dubble clicked on land went through the steps like in windows
[03:06] <reka> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] : didn't it ask you for an install directory?
[03:06] <asimismo> _SWAT_ I don't know what magic dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386 does for me. On my machine have an initd image and a vmlinuz image (actually, links to these).
[03:06] <_SWAT_> asimismo, the dpkg-reconfigure reconfigures the image. The image is the thing linux loads at boot-time (after the bootloader)
[03:06] <tatiana> vinux, i tried to install alsaconf & it said alsa-utils was the most up to date.  tried to apt-get that but it wouldn't install it either... so i' going to try using synaptic i guess to install alsa.
[03:06] <reka> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] : btw, the ubuntu version already has the security pathces iirc
[03:07] <vinux> tatiana, ok try that.
[03:07] <asimismo> _SWAT_ So with an initd (or was it initrd) image or vmlinuz which should I be trying to reconfigure?
[03:07] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > umm it asked if i wanted to delete a directory that already existed (and i did) because I think i ran the install twice trying to get it to work
[03:07] <_SWAT_> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , it shouldn't matter much if you use 1.0.4. or 1.0.2 imho :P
[03:08] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > well it woudl be nice for me to know atleast, if im going to be using linux
[03:08] <_SWAT_> asimismo, I guess so
[03:08] <_SWAT_> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , remember this line well "apt-get upgrade"
[03:08] <_SWAT_> :)
[03:09] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > so do I type apt-get upgrade firefox?
[03:09] <asimismo> _SWAT_ Any idea why the image names differ in Hoary?
[03:09] <_SWAT_> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] ,  Sorry forget something -->  "sudo apt-get upgrade"  (it upgrades all system components)
[03:09] <_SWAT_> asimismo, no idea, really
[03:09] <_SWAT_> asimismo, try to 'locate' it
[03:09] <_SWAT_> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , do a "apt-cache search firefox"
[03:09] <asimismo> _SWAT_ Ok, thanks for trying! I'm still installing, so can I locate in busybox?
[03:10] <_SWAT_> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , just use "sudo apt-get upgrade" it's the easiest
[03:10] <Efwis> hmm, how do I find out my video cards bus identifier??
[03:10] <_SWAT_> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , it's like a 'windows update' only it also updates all other programs
[03:10] <ironmc> reka thanks  I'll try that
[03:11] <wizo> welll
[03:11] <wizo> T_T
[03:11] <asimismo> Gotta go...
[03:11] <asimismo> _SWAT_ Thanks for trying!
[03:11] <_SWAT_> asimismo, np... pm what the outcome is :D
[03:11] <_SWAT_> Guys, I'm so tired, I'm going to sleep now. Till tomorrow! Nighty night all!
[03:11] <asimismo> Will do!
[03:12] <asimismo> Night!
[03:12] <wizo> cya _SWAT_
[03:12] <wizo> oh dear, my comp doesnt sound too good =x
[03:13] <Luke> does anyone know how to install a .deb kernel module package?
[03:13] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > ok, i did the cache search firefox but it like doesnt give me any options, it jsut shows me it foudn it
[03:14] <vinux> Luke, hmmm so you got it in .deb form? You can't apt-get it?
[03:14] <Luke> vinux: no its the source
[03:14] <reka> then apt-cache show <package> to show the package's details
[03:14] <vinux> Luke, oh ok
[03:14] <reka> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] : er, that was meant for you. :)
[03:14] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > k
[03:15] <wizo> erm , anyone else can help me?
[03:15] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > so how do i get it so that when i click applications/internet/firefox that it opens 1.0.4???
[03:15] <wizo> i cant see a thing when ubuntu loads
[03:15] <vinux> Luke, hmm the only way I know is #sudo dpkg -i name.deb
[03:15] <reka> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] : my guess is that it's installed seperately
[03:15] <reka> somewhere
[03:15] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > ok
[03:16] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > I searched
[03:16] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > it found a decent amout of "firefox"
[03:16] <reka> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] : how did you search?
[03:16] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > but i couldnt even find a application that woudl like open when i click on it
[03:16] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > places/search for files
[03:17] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > then I clicked search in file system
[03:17] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > i mean look in, then the drop down menue to file system
[03:18] <reka> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] : sudo updatedb
[03:21] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > apt-get sudo updatedb?
[03:21] <reka> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] : no apt-get.  you want to update the locate database
[03:21] <CzarAlex> Im trying to install a program called TkMOO-Light (used for playing MUDs/MOOs) and im having problems installing it. The instructions say to set the path of the WISH file(s). I do, yet during installation, it says they cannot be found. I am a -total- linux n00b. Any suggestions?
[03:22] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > it says error when i jsut type in sudo updatedb
[03:22] <reka> what does it say?
[03:23] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > coudl not open database
[03:23] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > waint nm
[03:23] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > now it says nothing and jsut starts a new line
[03:25] <reka> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] : did the installer ask you for an install path?
[03:25] <reka> CzarAlex: are you set on using that client?  there seem to be some in ubuntu's repo
[03:26] <CzarAlex> reka, no im not set on it. Which one(s) would you recommend?
[03:27] <reka> CzarAlex: gmoo looks OK by it's description.  but i've never used a mud/moo client
[03:28] <jaross> hey, im [j] [a] ... but now im on my linux machine
[03:28] <CzarAlex> reka, I went to the Synaptic package manager and searched for gmoo but found no results. Did I do that right?
[03:28] <reka> CzarAlex: you probably haven't enabled univers/multiverse yet
[03:29] <jaross> not that i know of recker
[03:29] <reka> !repositories
[03:29] <ubotu> it has been said that repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:29] <jaross> reka*
[03:29] <reka> CzarAlex: go to the link ubotu spat out.
[03:29] <Strife> ubotu... heh
[03:29] <Strife> I never actually noticed that
[03:29] <CzarAlex> reka, okay.
[03:29] <gm78> CzarAlex, You need to have universe and multiverse (one or the other) enabled
[03:29] <reka> jaross: i'm tempted to ask you to run the installer again and see if you can specifiy a path
[03:29] <CzarAlex> gm78, is one better than the other?
[03:31] <gm78> CzarAlex, none is better. universe is stuff that may be non-free or patent encumbered and multiverse is either proprietary software or stuff that is definately patent encumbered
[03:31] <jaross> ya, thats what im doing...
[03:31] <z|bandito> hi
[03:31] <tiny_linux> hello my friends
[03:31] <z|bandito> how do you use the VESA driver?
[03:32] <steveO_Office> is it possible to disable a shared internet connection of a created username
[03:32] <Harley^> Does Ubuntu have a software compiled in .deb packages ?
[03:32] <z|bandito> Harley^ yes
[03:32] <Strife> which software?
[03:32] <reka> Harley^: it's debian based
[03:32] <gm78> CzarAlex, In other words, if you are using Ubuntu to run a business or something, be careful with universe and dont touch mutiverse. if u r a home user, dont worry about it, just enable both
[03:33] <tiny_linux> i need to some one tell me how can i setting up ubuntu for send and receive email with my own domain, example miname@midomain.com, pleeeease, if some one can help me
[03:33] <jaross> ok, now the archive manager wont let me put it on the desktop
[03:33] <Harley^> Does Ubuntu have OpenOffice beta 2.0 which has been available for other Linux distros for over one month in deb packages ?
[03:33] <jaross> it puts it there, then it goes away
[03:33] <Strife> Harley^: I don't believe so
[03:33] <gm78> Hey all. In xsensors I've got two fans, one running at 2100 RPM. The second runs about 900 RPM. Then it shows a third that is red and running at 0 RPM....but all the fans seem to be running fine in the case. Is this normal?
[03:33] <Strife> Harley^: you can of course always download it yourself
[03:34] <concept10> Harley^, its availabl
[03:34] <jaross> ok never mine about that
[03:34] <concept10> Harley^, Yes. Its available
[03:34] <jaross> ok, its asking me an installation directory, where shoudl i install it?
[03:34] <Harley^> concept10 Oh ?
[03:34] <reka> tiny_linux: what email program do you wish to use?
[03:34] <Strife> I stand corrected
[03:35] <gm78> tiny_linux, I'm pretty sure you need to have a mailserver running, something like postfix or sendmail
[03:35] <CzarAlex> Thanks both gm78  and reka. I added those locations and am installing gmoo.
[03:35] <reka> jaross: i've always created a programs directory in home....up to you though
[03:35] <jaross> sounds good to me
[03:35] <tiny_linux> yes im using sendmail
[03:35] <gm78> CzarAlex, lol, now, may i ask, what is gmoo?
[03:35] <concept10> Harley^, although I decided against installing it, it uses GCC 4.0
[03:35] <tiny_linux> but i had a proble i cant receive mails
[03:35] <tiny_linux> on ly can send
[03:36] <reka> CzarAlex: np... yeou should always check out if there's a program you want in the repository already
[03:36] <reka> CzarAlex: saves you the trouble of installing manually
[03:36] <jaross> crap, not logged in as root, wont let me make a programs file in home
[03:36] <reka> jaross: use sudo
[03:36] <jaross> how?
[03:36] <reka> root is disabled by default
[03:36] <reka> jaross: sudo mkdir <dir_name>
[03:36] <tiny_linux> what could be
[03:36] <tiny_linux> maybe dns
[03:36] <CzarAlex> gm78, gmoo is a program that allows you to access MOO's or MUDs. Text only RPG games. I program in MOO code and wanted to use this linux box to serve my own game. Now I just needed a good way to log in to it.
[03:36] <tiny_linux> or my config files
[03:37] <tiny_linux> i don't know
[03:37] <jaross> how do i tell it where i want to make the dir?
[03:37] <CzarAlex> reka thanks. I just need to become familiar with what packages are included.
[03:37] <reka> jaross: it will make it in the current directory
[03:37] <gm78> CzarAlex, Oh, thats cool
[03:37] <jaross> current?
[03:37] <CzarAlex> gm78,  now that is installed...where will i find it?
[03:37] <Harley^> concept10, where would I find  the beta version of oo in .deb packages ?
[03:38] <jaross> you mean where the terminal is?
[03:38] <tiny_linux> hey harle what package dod you need
[03:38] <reka> jaross: yes.  if you prefer to use nautilus, you should be able to create a directory in /home/<your_user_name>
[03:38] <reka> jaross: places->home
[03:38] <linuxbegins> hello
[03:38] <gm78> CzarAlex, a lot of universe and multiverse stuff doesnt add itself to the menu. try typing gmoo in a terminal
[03:38] <concept10> Harley^, I dont know what repos you uses, but you can install it from synaptic
[03:38] <reka> jaross: everywhere else you'll need to use sudo.
[03:38] <tatiana> vinux, tried reinstalling alsa-utils & synaptic says its installed but i can't (even in a term window) get the program to run b/c it says its not there?
[03:38] <CzarAlex> gm78,  alright. thanks.
[03:39] <reka> jaross: more info on sudo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RootSudo
[03:39] <Harley^> I can ?
[03:39] <linuxbegins> ive read that you can create groups and controll thier internet access
[03:39] <gm78> CzarAlex, or, ALT+F2 and type gmoo
[03:39] <Harley^> hrmm
[03:39] <jaross> the only way I know how to use a command line is root terminal
[03:39] <reka> jaross: ubuntu dioes it differently :)
[03:39] <reka> jaross: read the page i linked to
[03:40] <vinux> tatiana, b/c? I don't know what that is
[03:40] <tatiana> because, sorry
[03:40] <Strife> jaross: ...
[03:40] <reka> jaross: the first two paragraphs are sufficient
[03:40] <tiny_linux> hello
[03:40] <Strife> you should really learn how to use the command line NOT as root before you learn how to use it AS root
[03:41] <gm78> Strife, LOL
[03:41] <tiny_linux> i need setting up my sendmail
[03:41] <tiny_linux> some one can help me
[03:42] <tatiana> the only programs it says i can run are alsamixer & alsactl, vinux
[03:42] <wizo> i cant even see my ubuntu login in screen
[03:42] <tatiana> soooo i'm stumped. :*
[03:42] <Harley^> thanks. bbl
[03:42] <CzarAlex> gm78, thanks and I even figured out how to add it to a launch button. ha im getting smart!
[03:42] <Strife> tatiana: what are you trying to run?
[03:42] <vinux> tatiana, ahhh so you need alsaconf now right?
[03:42] <Strife> ah
[03:42] <Strife> ok then
[03:42] <tatiana> well it says it installed alsaconf
[03:42] <tatiana> er
[03:43] <tatiana> alsa-utils cuz alsaconf is no longer used i guess
[03:43] <jaross> ok the way i was imputing commands was system tools/terminal
[03:43] <gm78> CzarAlex, lol, took me forever how to do all that crap. I was used to looking fo a specific exe in windows
[03:43] <tatiana> but i can't run it b/c it doesn't seem to be installed after all :(
[03:43] <jaross> reka, are you saying i shoudl use something else?
[03:43] <vinux> tatiana, hmmm wierd let me think
[03:43] <reka> jaross: no, that's right
[03:43] <pepperpot> Anyone know how to ssh with X tunnelling and "su"? I get "X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication." and "X I/O error"
[03:43] <reka> jaross: unless you were using "root terminal"
[03:44] <tatiana> synaptic said it was installed, but i thought i'll reinstall it to make sure
[03:44] <pepperpot> ssh -X works fine when I don't do 'su'
[03:44] <tatiana> soooo i did...but it still isn't showing up as a command i can run even in a root term
[03:44] <stetyR> hi
[03:44] <jaross> oh i see, i didnt even notice there was 2 different ones
[03:44] <Efwis> reka, are you still here??
[03:44] <jaross> sorry in a newb
[03:45] <Efwis> heh, reconfiguring xorg didn't help
[03:45] <jaross> but how does terminal know where I would like to creat the dir?
[03:45] <reka> Efwis: that's no good.
[03:46] <Efwis> nope, any other ideas???
[03:46] <reka> Efwis: only other thing i can think of is resetting your gnome configs.
[03:46] <Efwis> how would I do that?? reinstall??
[03:46] <reka> Efwis: iirc, it's done by removing ~/.gnome2
[03:47] <dalbirdy> i am having trouble with my gdesklets can any one help?
[03:47] <reka> jaross: it will create the directory in the current directory
[03:47] <reka> jaross: pwd will print your current working directory
[03:47] <Efwis> ok will try that
[03:48] <CzarAlex> gm78,  Believe me, i still am caught in the windows mentality..took me an HOUR to figure out that drives dont have letter designations anymore.
[03:48] <reka> FYI, ~ is an alias for your home directory, probably /home/jaross for you.
[03:48] <reka> jaross: terminal starts in that directory by default
[03:49] <wizo> so er, after installing nvidia drivers, i cant see my login page for ubbuntu anymore, anyone help?
[03:49] <stetyR> programas y solo eso
[03:49] <TokenBad> what platform is ubuntu? x11? sh3?
[03:49] <rixth> Okay, when I booted up this morning, fsck wanted to check /dev/sda3 (/home) becasue it had been mounted 30 times. It reported 7508201 bad blocks. Should I be worried? This drive is less than a year old....
[03:49] <vinux> tatiana, hey try this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[03:49] <tatiana> blink
[03:49] <tatiana> um ok
[03:49] <wizo> so er, after installing nvidia drivers, i cant see my login page for ubbuntu anymore, anyone help?
[03:49] <tatiana> give me a min, firefox needs a min to load hehe
[03:49] <reka> stetyR: espanol: #ubuntu-es
[03:49] <rixth> wizo, any errors?
[03:49] <jaross> ok, i type "sudo mk dir <programs>" and terminal says: "syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[03:49] <jaross> jaross@LINUXSYS:~$
[03:49] <jaross> "
[03:50] <IIIEars> wizo - hi - try this sudo dpkg-reconfigure xsrver-xorg answer a few questions about your hardware and you are done.
[03:50] <wizo> ooo ok thx IIIEars
[03:50] <gm78> CzarAlex, lol...i used to be just like that. About once every week id get pissed, remove linux and just use windows (i wouldnt reboot into windows...no, that would be too easy, i would format my linux partitions cause i was so mad), then id get mad at windows a few weeks later but would have to reinstall linux. i finally leanred to keep a backup
[03:50] <reka> jaross: :)
[03:50] <jaross> it made it?
[03:50] <reka> jaross: replace <programs> with programs
[03:50] <IIIEars> erm "xserver' - sheesh i canned spele
[03:50] <jaross> oh
[03:50] <reka> jaross: < and > aren't legal characters
[03:50] <jaross> k
[03:51] <wizo> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg <==?
[03:51] <reka> jaross:  usually when you see something like <NAME>  it means replace that with a name
[03:51] <IIIEars> yes - thats it. - sorry
[03:51] <wizo> with a space in between reconfigure and xserver-xorg yeh?
[03:51] <wizo> ok thx a lot
[03:51] <wizo> i tried to copy my back up xorg file back
[03:52] <dalbirdy> i need to re-install an app how would i do that?
[03:52] <wizo> but then it said it couldnt find it
[03:52] <jaross> jaross@LINUXSYS:~$ sudo mk dir programs
[03:52] <jaross> Password:
[03:52] <jaross> sudo: mk: command not found
[03:52] <jaross> jaross@LINUXSYS:~$
[03:52] <wizo> dalbirdy: use synaptic and select mark for reinstallation
[03:52] <IIIEars> wizo - it would work but video  acceleration would be missing
[03:52] <wizo> errr
[03:52] <wizo> wads that
[03:52] <dalbirdy> ah hadnt even thought about that thanks
[03:52] <reka> jaross: it's mkdir not mk dir
[03:52] <jaross> oops i got it
[03:52] <wizo> no dalbirdy
[03:53] <jaross> ya
[03:53] <wizo> np*
[03:53] <IIIEars> wizo - desktop apps would be fine but games would be sl-o-w-w
[03:53] <wizo> oh dear
[03:53] <wizo> i was so frustrated trying to watch a movie last nite
[03:53] <jaross> ok does it just go to the next line when it is done?
[03:53] <tatiana> well the last suggestion he had was using fuser /dev/dsp, but my system shows no such device or file
[03:54] <IIIEars> wizo - why is that?
[03:54] <wizo> but i hear the movie first then watch the movie, so i decided to try and install the nvidia drivers
[03:54] <wizo> and then now i cant see my login page at all
[03:54] <tatiana> that tells me my soundcard likely isn't even set up at all i think, vinux
[03:54] <dalbirdy> hey wizo....i wanted to upgrade my gdesklet app but the latest version is not in the repository how would i do it?
[03:54] <TokenBad> what platform is ubuntu? x11? sh3?
[03:54] <CzarAlex> gm78 haha! im glad im not the only one! I went through 5 linux installs/uninstall/windows install/uninstall..repeat before finding ubuntu. So far so good. :\
[03:54] <wizo> -i was using xine btw-
[03:54] <reka> jaross: yes, that means everything went ok :)
[03:54] <jaross> ok it is installing to: /home/jaross/programs/firefox-installer
[03:55] <reka> jaross: heh, i think it's saying that's where the installer is, not the program.
[03:55] <jaross> ok now it asked me to creat the firefox dir and i said yes but it said it cant
[03:55] <vinux> tatiana, oh ok hmmm let me see
[03:55] <wizo> anyway, gtg now, bbl
[03:56] <dalbirdy> my other problem i am having is that firefox keeps telling me that i need to install JRE.....but i already have it installed....how do i fix that?
[03:56] <jaross> no this is the install prompt like in windows you know, you click next and so on
[03:56] <tatiana> like i said, i tried to install & use alsa-utils... but theres gotta be some default way to configure a sound card in ubuntu no??
[03:56] <cmatheson> dalbirdy: you need to make a symlink from your firefox-plugins directory to the plugin that came w/ the jre
[03:56] <jaross> oh wait
[03:56] <dalbirdy> how?
[03:56] <IIIEars> wizo - everyone has a favorite app for movies and each of us like a different player. i like "VideoLAN" sometimes called VLC - the package installs all needed codecs in one click mplayer is prettier but it needs tweaking. VLC has skins tho :)
[03:56] <cmatheson> dalbirdy: ln -s
[03:56] <wizo|out> heh
[03:56] <wizo|out> i know
[03:56] <wizo|out> i like vlc too
[03:57] <wizo|out> i use vlc for everything when i was using windows
[03:57] <dalbirdy> everything i install on my own and not from package manager is in the /opt folder...
[03:57] <jaross> ok i did it to my desktop, now i have a folder called firefox installer...
[03:57] <dalbirdy> would that command symilink it too everything?
[03:57] <wizo|out> but when i tried to open the directory, vlc would do it, and when i tried to click open with application, it says that the application couldnt be added to the program database or smth
[03:57] <jaross> open firefox installer.bin?
[03:57] <vinux> tatiana, so does alsaconf supposed to come with the alsa-utilities? If not we need alsaconf it will take care of this problem.
[03:58] <reka> jaross: again, that just seems to be the installer
[03:58] <cef> any recommendations on a good ftp client (ie: not gFTP?)
[03:58] <wizo|out> vlc wouldnt*
[03:58] <reka> hehe
[03:58] <P-NuT> HI all
[03:58] <reka> cef: what's wrong with it?
[03:58] <cmatheson> dalbirdy: so go find the plugin, and then get into your plugin directory ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins (or something like that), and then do 'ln -s <java-plugin-> .'
[03:58] <tatiana> i can paste the output of apt-get to you pvtly vinux AND you'll see what it says for yourself
[03:58] <cef> reka: if a transfer fails for whatever reason, you lose all the files that are queued
[03:58] <dalbirdy> with my console corret?
[03:58] <Efwis> reka, you say to remove ~/.gnome2, will It reinstall itself on reboot or do I need to reinstall it manually?
[03:59] <IIIEars> wizo - do you need dvdcss?
[03:59] <cef> reka: and you can't kill a session, and then resume the session at a later time
[03:59] <vinux> tatiana, ok cool
[03:59] <wizo|out> nope
[03:59] <wizo|out> well im not sure really
[03:59] <tatiana> what was it again? apt-get ... alsaconf?
[03:59] <vinux> tatiana, yep
[03:59] <reka> Efwis: i think it will regenerate when you start gnome again
[03:59] <P-NuT> Hi everyone, I have been trying for months now to get zaptel drivers working under ubuntu but to no avail. I know this is more of an asterisk question, but can anyone help me because the asterisk forum has no idea about it under ubuntu.. PLEEEASE??
[04:00] <wizo|out> but anyway, i really gotta go now IIIEar, talk to u later
[04:00] <jaross> ok, it says click next to install firefox.  i click next, it has me accept the terms... i tryed selecting home/programs, the dir i jsut created, but it says Choose another directory because you do not have permission to install to: /home/jaross/programs
[04:00] <tatiana> ffs it says invalid operation??
[04:00] <dalbirdy> it told me the file already exist......
[04:00] <IIIEars> wizo Good luck! :)
[04:00] <wizo|out> thx
[04:00] <Efwis> ok, well here we go, if I'm not back in the next 10 minutes, you know I had to reinstall everything lol
[04:00] <cmatheson> jaross: how would you not have permissions to stuff in your own home directory?
[04:00] <cmatheson> jaross: did you run a bunch of crap as root?
[04:00] <CzarAlex> Im sure this is beyond my linux knowledge.. But I have a second hard drive hooked up that i didnt use during installation. It still has windows files on it. Id like to format that and add it to my filesystem is that hard? if not, how can I do it?
[04:00] <jaross> thats what it says
[04:00] <mitchsans> hey, I was trying to run the livecd, and after executing a few lines, the computer seemingly reset and started over with the welcome screen
[04:00] <jaross> no, not that i know of
[04:01] <reka> cef: hmm, i guess i use it so rarely i never notice the problems.
[04:01] <dalbirdy> jaross you can do a chmod 777 that folder to get permission
[04:01] <jaross> how do i do that?
[04:01] <cmatheson> CzarAlex: no, it's not hard. just cfdisk it, change the partition type to whatever kind of linux fs you want, and then run mk<foobar>fs on the drive
[04:01] <vinux> tatiana, sudo apt-get install alsaconf?
[04:01] <IIIEars> !ubuntu   are you sleeping ubotu?
[04:01] <ubotu> ...but ubuntu is already something else...
[04:01] <cef> reka: for the usual stuff it's fine. if you're transferring lots of files it can be a pain.
[04:02] <CzarAlex> cmatheson, how does one `cfdisk` something? is that a command entered in to the terminal?
[04:02] <mitchsans>  hey, I was trying to run the livecd, and after executing a few lines, the computer seemingly reset and started over with the welcome screen, help please? trying to spread the linux here
[04:02] <reka> cef: maybe invest some time in learning how to use ftp from the CL?
[04:02] <cmatheson> CzarAlex: yes, you may have to install it
[04:02] <CzarAlex> cmatheson, okay.
[04:02] <CzarAlex> cmatheson, thank you.
[04:02] <cmatheson> no problem
[04:02] <reka> jaross: chmod 777 programs
[04:02] <tatiana> forgot the install part
[04:02] <vinux> tatiana, hehe no biggie
[04:02] <cef> reka: I know how to use ftp from the cli.. I don't want to script 250+ files in about 17 directories when I can get something to recursively fetch those 17 directories for me
[04:03] <jaross>  chmod 77
[04:03] <jaross> jaross@LINUXSYS:~$ chmod 777 programs
[04:03] <jaross> chmod: changing permissions of `programs': Operation not permitted
[04:03] <jaross> jaross@LINUXSYS:~$
[04:03] <reka> cef: ah, ok. i was lambasted for saying i used gftp a while back.  i asked what they used and was told ftp from the CL.
[04:04] <CzarAlex> cmatheson, I ran cfdisk and the second hd is not listed. is that what would said i might have to install...or was that cfdisk command you meant?
[04:04] <reka> jaross: avoid pasting please.  just give us a shorthand account of the error
[04:04] <reka> jaross: you need to use sudo
[04:04] <cmatheson> CzarAlex: oh, you need to do like cfdisk /dev/hdb
[04:04] <reka> to do the priveliged command
[04:04] <dalbirdy> you need to do a sudo chmod 777 /you folder
[04:04] <CzarAlex> oh  ok
[04:04] <jaross> ok that did it
[04:05] <dalbirdy> you should really read the unofficial help guide.....it really helps
[04:06] <jaross> ok ran the installer, now it says couldnt open xpistub library
[04:06] <reka> cef: well, i can't recommend another one, but i could start your search: http://linux.about.com/od/softftp/
[04:06] <dalbirdy> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[04:06] <ukato> i'm not getting sound in any java applications, any idea what the problem could be? (yes, the speakers work and sound is turned on and works correctly)
[04:07] <cef> reka: thanks.. didn't find much when going through synaptic, which is why I asked here
[04:07] <cmatheson> ukato: you may have to run the configuration thing to tell it to use esd
[04:07] <reka> cef: np.  good luck in finding a good one :)
[04:07] <neodium> im pretty new to linux, and wondering why it isnt detecting my other networking device (onboard) as my card is set to default and the net is working fine. My onboard was detected during the install but not now?
[04:08] <ukato> cmatheson, okay, the configuration thing for java?
[04:08] <cmatheson> neodium: are you sure it's not? type 'ifconfig -a' and see if eth0 is there or not
[04:08] <neodium> ok will try
[04:08] <cmatheson> ukato: i can't remember... i don't have java installed right now... i think it's Control<Something>
[04:08] <Efwis>  well it regenerated itself, but still no joy
[04:09] <cmatheson> ukato: go look around in your java directory, i think it's a pretty obvious name
[04:09] <ukato> cmatheson, okay, thanks a lot
[04:09] <cmatheson> np
[04:10] <ukato> /usr/share/java-package
[04:10] <cmatheson> ukato: maybe ControlPanel?
[04:10] <ukato> would be th ejave directory, right?
[04:10] <ukato> the java*
[04:11] <cmatheson> ukato: yeah, it would be.  i'm pretty sure the binary is just 'ControlPanel'.  it should be in your path, so you may not necessarily need to find it
[04:11] <cmatheson> ukato: otherwise type something like 'locate Control' and see what pops up
[04:11] <shamus> does ubuntu have the option to install a boot manager when you install it?
[04:11] <ukato> hmm, nothing java related came up
[04:12] <tatiana> it installs grub by default iirc
[04:12] <cmatheson> ukato: hmm, where did you install your jre?
[04:12] <pressure_man> has anyone found that apt preferences in ubuntu behave strangely?
[04:12] <CzarAlex> I would like to add a button to the panal at the top of the gnome desktop. Is it possible to have that same button run two commands? Can I  enter them both on the same command line using a seperator? If not, what are my options?
[04:12] <pressure_man> using pin-priority/
[04:13] <ukato> well, i'm totally new to this, and just downloaded a .bin and turned it into a .deb, then ran "dpkg -i" with sudo
[04:13] <ukato> so i'm not sure.
[04:13] <iluciv> Hi I was just wondering how you would be able to tell what file system you are using
[04:13] <pressure_man> iluciv: mount
[04:14] <jaross> how do i edit the applications menue?
[04:14] <mlambie> cmatheson: I installed my JDK (JRE with compilers) from http://ubuntuguide.org instructions, using ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net
[04:14] <iluciv> pressure_man: thanks
[04:15] <cmatheson> mlambie: hmm, i still haven't installed java... alternatively you could just set esd to give up the dsp device when nothing is using it (like, start esd w/ 'esd -as 5' or something like that)
[04:15] <fr500> hello
[04:15] <reka> jaross: http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[04:15] <fr500> i have my computer at work, i wanna connect to the mysql server there, but whn logging in i get root@myhomeip not autorized, how can i access it?
[04:15] <ukato> cmatheson, i do have a /usr/share/java-package however
[04:16] <mlambie> cmatheson: I think I came in half way through the convo: I just thought you wanted Java, I didn't read the backlog ;)
[04:16] <pressure_man> anyone using apt preferences?
[04:16] <ukato> mlambie, actually, i was asking for help because my sound in java is no good
[04:16] <mlambie> ukato: roger that
[04:16] <reka> iluciv: any particular reason why?
[04:17] <neodium> ok ive configured my onboard network and now i have 2 network connections running, eth1 is my net and eth0 is my onboard running to a switch, how do i share the net here so other machines and an xbox can connect?
[04:18] <cmatheson> mlambie: oh ok cool
[04:18] <iluciv> reka: Vanilla kernel compile
[04:18] <cmatheson> ukato: is that all, where is the actual 'java' binary?
[04:18] <jUiCeR> can someone lead me to a good resource for using the networking capabilities of linux, like routing and bridging?
[04:19] <cmatheson> jUiCeR: tldp.org
[04:19] <iluciv> new question Sempron would I be able to complie the cpu as an athlon?
[04:19] <ukato> cmatheson, would a binary have an extension?
[04:19] <IIIEars> neodium - i am really very new to linux "Firestarter" firewall made the configuration graphical - reall nice.
[04:19] <mlambie> jUiCeR: check out The Linux Documentation Project: http://www.tldp.org
[04:19] <bassgoon> hey, do I need a kernel update for a g3?
[04:19] <cmatheson> ukato: nope, it's just called 'java'
[04:19] <cmatheson> ukato: run 'updatedb ; locate java'
[04:20] <neodium> IIIEars, thanks
[04:20] <jUiCeR> ok
[04:20] <cmatheson> ukato: oh, the updatedb will need to be run sudo
[04:20] <ukato> gotcha
[04:20] <ukato> whats that do
[04:20] <ukato> just wondering
[04:21] <cmatheson> ukato: that updates a database of all the files on your system, and then locate looks for stuff in that database
[04:21] <ukato> ok
[04:21] <cmatheson> ukato: i think updatedb is supposed to be run from cron
[04:21] <ukato> should the update take a moment or so
[04:21] <cmatheson> ukato: yeah it will take a while, especially if it's not run regularly
[04:22] <ukato> okay, good
[04:22] <ukato> yeah, i got a bunch of hits this time
[04:22] <cmatheson> ukato: ok cool, where's it coming from?
[04:22] <tatiana> on an older machine it can take a while
[04:22] <tatiana> mine took uh 20mins or so
[04:22] <ukato> i'm looking for the binary right now
[04:23] <ukato> theres a javaws
[04:23] <jaross> reka, how do i go about installing smeg?
[04:23] <iluciv> that should be ok hey sempron=Athlon/Duron in processors type features
[04:24] <reka> jaross: er, read the instructions yet?
[04:24] <jaross> where?
[04:24] <cmatheson> ukato: ok that's cool too, what directory is that in?
[04:24] <jaross> there are none on the site
[04:24] <ukato> cmatheson, never mind, "java" is in that directory as well
[04:24] <jaross> and i cant seem to fins any in the stuff i doesnloaded
[04:24] <ukato> right next to control panel
[04:24] <reka> is there a README or INSTALL file?
[04:24] <ukato> hurray
[04:25] <jaross> not that I can see
[04:25] <reka> jaross: ah. sorry.
[04:25] <cmatheson> ukato: ok there should be a ControlPanel in that directory too
[04:25] <reka> jaross: get the .deb file they provide
[04:25] <cmatheson> ukato: i *think* that there's some sound config stuff in there
[04:26] <jaross> thats what i have
[04:26] <jUiCeR> is there a command that lists all the open network ports
[04:26] <reka> jaross: to install deb files: dpkg -i <filename>
[04:26] <bassgoon> lets make like hockey sticks and get the puck out of here!
[04:26] <ukato> cmatheson, okay, let me look
[04:27] <jaross> ok, with that, do i need the file extension .deb in the name?
[04:27] <crazyhorse> http://zap.hausundhof.com/2005/07/02/bush-declares-war-on-linux/ :)
[04:27] <IIIEars> O-o-oh - Ubuntu customisable themes the redmond OS can only dream about being this good. - grin
[04:27] <jaross> never mind that
[04:27] <reka> jaross: yep
[04:28] <neodium> hmm, cant work it, is there no way in simple network connection settings to simply bridge two connections or "share" the internet lan connection to another lan connection>
[04:28] <jaross> it says that there was an error no such file or directory
[04:29] <jaross> cannot access dir
[04:29] <reka> jaross: probably typed the name wrong
[04:29] <reka> jaross: type the first few characters, then use tab to autocomplete
[04:29] <you-bunt-too> anyone here like clearlooks? I'm about to compile 0.6.2 and was wondering if it's worth upgrading
[04:29] <jaross> its on my desktop, is that the problem?
[04:29] <crazyhorse> you-bunt-too: upgrading from which version?
[04:30] <ukato> anyone know where to configure java sound
[04:30] <you-bunt-too> crazyhorse, 2.4.0
[04:30] <you-bunt-too> err
[04:30] <reka> jaross: yes
[04:30] <reka> jaross: you're probably not in the DEsktop directory
[04:30] <you-bunt-too> crazyhorse, from march of this year
[04:31] <crazyhorse> you-bunt-too: if your version is < 0.6.0 it is worth a lot
[04:31] <jaross> type in desktop/ sudo dpkg -i smeg
[04:31] <jaross> or should i move it to my home dir
[04:32] <you-bunt-too> crazyhorse, it's 0.5.0
[04:32] <you-bunt-too> crazyhorse, great, I will update! :)
[04:32] <crazyhorse> you-bunt-too: enjoy ;)
[04:32] <reka> jaross: the desktop directory is at /home/<username>/Desktop
[04:33] <you-bunt-too> crazyhorse, thanks :) do you have any other favorite theme for gnome to recommend?
[04:33] <jaross> then just a space and my command?
[04:33] <crazyhorse> you-bunt-too: clearlooks is imho the best we have
[04:34] <reka> jaross: change to the directory using: cd /home/<username>/Desktop and then dpkg -i <filename>
[04:34] <crazyhorse> you-bunt-too: clearlooks-quicksilver is really great.
[04:34] <jaross> is that perminent or next time i start up terminal will it be back to what it way?
[04:34] <you-bunt-too> crazyhorse, I was using sphere crystal, I will change back to clearlooks. quicksilver? hmm
[04:35] <crazyhorse> you-bunt-too: you'll get it with the new version
[04:35] <reka> i love clearlooks-deepsky
[04:35] <reka> jaross: what it what?
[04:35] <jaross> nevermind
[04:36] <you-bunt-too> crazyhorse, now I see what you mean!!!
[04:36] <jaross> ok it did it, but it didnt seem to creat anything on the desktop, where did it install it?
[04:36] <reka> jaross: check apps -> sys tools
[04:37] <pressure_man> apt preferences in ubuntu behaves REALLY differently to debian
[04:37] <jaross> config editor?
[04:37] <reka> nope, not that
[04:37] <jaross> i did a search for smeg and it foudn nothing
[04:37] <reka> jaross: i haven't installed it actually, but try typing smeg in a terminal
[04:37] <jaross> not found
[04:38] <reka> menu-editor?
[04:39] <you-bunt-too> crazyhorse, did you compile clearlooks with animated progess bars?
[04:39] <jaross> nope
[04:39] <crazyhorse> you-bunt-too: sure, it's safe
[04:39] <you-bunt-too> crazyhorse, thanks I shall try that
[04:40] <reka> jaross: killall gnome-panel
[04:40] <reka> it should be in Applications -> System Tools -> Smeg Menu Editor
[04:40] <dalbirdy> anyone hear use gdesklets?
[04:40] <jaross> not there
[04:41] <jaross> what did u want me to do with killall gnome-panel ?
[04:41] <jaross> is that a command or what?
[04:41] <dalbirdy> that restarts gnome without logging out
[04:41] <reka> jaross: it refreshes the panel
[04:41] <reka> jaross: i just found out smeg is in the repo
[04:41] <reka> at least i think it is
[04:41] <jaross> repo?
[04:42] <dalbirdy> repository
[04:42] <TimmyJ_> just a dumb question....any idea where ubuntu comes up w/ their names. I know debian's names come from the movie toy story and was wondering if there was a similar story for ubuntu
[04:42] <reka> TimmyJ_: it's african iirc
[04:42] <TimmyJ_> not the name ubuntu....but the release names (aka hoary hedgehog)
[04:43] <tatiana> ni
[04:43] <dalbirdy> Timmy, go to www.ubuntu.org
[04:43] <jaross> where is the repo?
[04:44] <dalbirdy> you can add repositorys
[04:44] <reka> jaross: dpkg -L smeg
[04:45] <roy_> can someone tell me where in the synaptic manager i can download more wallpapers?
[04:45] <rafter> TimmyJ DEBIAN comes fron the makers deborah and ian xxxxx i forgot ther last name
[04:45] <synd> roy_: theres tons of wallpapers at gnome-look.org
[04:46] <dalbirdy> if you are using kde you can do it from the desktop config
[04:46] <jaross> says its not installed now
[04:46] <reka> jaross: open up synaptic
[04:46] <crazyhorse> Ian Murdoch, rafter
[04:46] <IIIEars> roy_ - themes? or google for images?
[04:47] <crazyhorse> err Murdock.
[04:47] <roy_> i'm running gnome. gnome-look.org looks good. thanks
[04:47] <rafter> whivh one lol
[04:47] <rafter> witch
[04:47] <Tuxicity> you-bunt-too, hey, were you refering to a specific post on firestarter.users?
[04:47] <IIIEars> roy_ - Ubuntu and gnome is amazingly customisable isn't it? - grin
[04:47] <orangerange> anybody here using "visual boy advance"? How can we save the game? What are the controls for saving and loading states?
[04:48] <synd> roy_: no prob
[04:48] <unome> Ian Murdock is his name, He founded the Debian Project in 1993
[04:48] <crazyhorse> and now Ian runs his own company Progeny
[04:48] <roy_> IIIEars. yes it is :)
[04:49] <Jeruhme> good evening
[04:49] <crazyhorse> good morning, Jeruhme
[04:49] <reka> afternoon Jeruhme
[04:49] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, greetings once again, did you find your answer to the google issue you were experiencing with Firestarter?
[04:50] <jaross> ok, synapyis is open
[04:50] <reka> click on the status button in the lower left
[04:50] <calamari> hi
[04:50] <Tuxicity> you-bunt-too, umm not yet
[04:50] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, I do recall running across some mention of the issue you described with Firestarter and it should be on that newsgroup I mentioned, you can use your newsreader to search the downloaded message headers to find it
[04:51] <jaross> k
[04:51] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, did you download a good # of previous messages for that newsgroup?
[04:51] <reka> jaross: do you have an installed(local) option above the buttons?
[04:51] <TokenBad> what was command for installing deb files?
[04:51] <reka> TokenBad: what are you installing?
[04:52] <Jeruhme> and good  morning and afternoon
[04:52] <Tuxicity> you-bunt-too, 485 is enough?
[04:52] <jaross> yes, installed and not installed
[04:52] <jaross> cannot see smeg in either
[04:52] <reka> jaross: installed (local)?
[04:52] <jaross> no
[04:52] <jaross> not the local pert
[04:52] <jaross> part* sorry
[04:53] <Jeruhme> I've installed Ubuntu on my laptop, but it briefly "freezes" frequently and is becoming very annoying.  Any ideas?
[04:53] <reka> jaross: what about in the custom button?
[04:53] <TokenBad> reka a screensaver
[04:53] <jaross> ya thats there
[04:53] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, download a few weeks/months worth I would say, just the headers is enough
[04:53] <reka> TokenBad: dpkg -i <filename>
[04:53] <reka> jaross: installed (local)?
[04:53] <TokenBad> yeah did it..
[04:53] <TokenBad> got errors
[04:53] <jaross> nope not in custom
[04:54] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, if your time is short, just post to that newsgroup about your issue and I'm sure someone will respond.
[04:54] <Tuxicity> you-bunt-too, what would I search for?
[04:54] <reka> jaross: sure you installed it?
[04:54] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, google?
[04:54] <reka> TokenBad: such as?
[04:54] <jaross> i typed it in the terminal and it jsut went to the next command line
[04:54] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, and by that I don't mean "go google it" but rather to search for the word google
[04:54] <Tuxicity> you-bunt-too, well I'll try that and get back
[04:55] <jaross> well I gotta go. thank you guys (esceciallt reka) for your help
[04:56] <reka> heh.  i didn't fix it though
[04:56] <jaross> you helped me with other stuff, and you tryed...
[04:56] <jaross> tried*
[04:56] <reka> and that is officially the worst mispelling of especially i've seen :)
[04:56] <jaross> ya spelling is not something im good at
[04:56] <reka> jaross: come back later...some1 else might be able to help
[04:56] <jaross> ok, thanks again
[04:57] <reka> sure
[04:57] <dalbirdy> later guys
[04:57] <reka> bye
[04:57] <snatch> can anyone tell me how to enable mp3 support in ubuntu
[04:57] <flodine> a guys is there pek for ubuntu
[04:58] <tkiesel> Hi everyone. Odd stuff here: Got a machine that stopped playing sound after a memory upgrade. The Multimedia Systems selecter can test it fine (that is, no error message, but no sound either).  aplay reports that the card exists.  If I boot the Warty  live CD, it plays sound just fine.
[04:58] <js_> snatch: apt-get install xmms
[04:58] <flodine> pekwm for ubuntu
[04:58] <snatch> thx
[04:59] <phaedrus4444> Hi everyone. Odd stuff here:  how do i install x?...
[04:59] <phaedrus4444> i installed ubuntu server inhstall
[04:59] <tatiana> x window?
[04:59] <tatiana> oh heh
[04:59] <phaedrus4444> uh..
[04:59] <tatiana> XWindow System=X
[04:59] <phaedrus4444> yeah the thing that startx starts
[04:59] <tatiana> yes that.
[04:59] <phaedrus4444> sudo apt-get install ?
[04:59] <tatiana> sorry i can't answer that :(
[05:00] <reka> phaedrus4444: if you want gnome, install ubuntu-desktop
[05:00] <TokenBad> reka you in #flood will post it there
[05:00] <reka> hang on
[05:00] <tatiana> got my own problem with sound heh
[05:00] <phaedrus4444> i want xfce
[05:00] <reka> TokenBad: ok, there
[05:00] <Tuxicity> you-bunt-too, i got all headers, yet searching for "google" didnt yeild any results..
[05:00] <tatiana> which is starting to annoy me to no end
[05:00] <snatch> jus tried to run xmms and it froze
[05:00] <reka> phaedrus4444: install xfce4
[05:00] <rafter> what is a good repository for the southeast US?
[05:00] <TokenBad> hey hey again phaedrus4444...how you doing man?
[05:00] <reka> then you'll have to edit a file to set the default wm to xfce
[05:00] <phaedrus4444> need X to use xcfe
[05:01] <phaedrus4444> good T...just some probs
[05:01] <neodium> what program or option can i use to be able to see windows partitions ??
[05:01] <phaedrus4444> i usually use mepis..but i decided to try out ubuntu
[05:01] <phaedrus4444> how you doing?
[05:01] <snatch> anyone?
[05:01] <reka> TokenBad: that means you need to install some packages it needs
[05:01] <reka> TokenBad: dpkg doesn't take care of dependencies
[05:01] <reka> like apt-get/synaptic does
[05:02] <tatiana> snatch, froze?
[05:02] <tatiana> does sound even work?
[05:02] <snatch> as soon as i hit the play button it froze
[05:02] <reka> neodium: you need to edit a file.  is it NTFS or FAT32?
[05:02] <tatiana> did you point it to a cdrom or mp3s
[05:02] <phaedrus4444> apt-get install xorg?
[05:02] <TokenBad> so no way to install them?
[05:02] <snatch> mp3s
[05:03] <tatiana> are tehy on an ntfs partition snatch
[05:03] <snatch> yep
[05:03] <reka> snatch: change the output plugin to esound
[05:03] <snatch> how do i do that reka
[05:03] <reka> snatch: ctrl+p
[05:03] <snatch> well i cant get xmms to run again like its frozen and wont close
[05:03] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, just a moment ...
[05:03] <reka> snatch: killall xmms
[05:04] <reka> in a terminal
[05:04] <snatch> doh
[05:04] <crazyhorse> uh malcom douglas on television
[05:04] <reka> snatch: fyi, beep-media-player is nicer. :)
[05:04] <snatch> can i do apt-get install that
[05:04] <reka> yes
[05:04] <unome> why not
[05:04] <snatch> k
[05:05] <TokenBad> reka so there is no way to install it?
[05:05] <unome> beep-media-player handles last.fm nicely :)
[05:05] <orangerange> hello, i am a newbie. Does anybody here use Visual Boy Advance?
[05:05] <snatch> cool ill try that too
[05:05] <jUiCeR> is there a cd burning software that comes with gentoo
[05:06] <snatch> how bout cd burning software for ubuntu
[05:06] <synd> jUiCeR: youre in the wrong channel
[05:06] <unome> snatch: you can't go wrong with k3b
[05:07] <synd> jUiCeR: /join #gentoo
[05:07] <snatch> cool
[05:07] <jUiCeR> srry
[05:07] <synd> gnomebaker is another
[05:07] <TokenBad> whats command to check apt-get for a file?
[05:07] <jUiCeR> i am in both channels, I actually meant Ubuntu.
[05:07] <synd> TokenBad: apt-cache search
[05:07] <jUiCeR> got confused
[05:07] <synd> jUiCeR: gnomebaker, or k3b
[05:07] <reka> unome: last.fm?
[05:07] <jUiCeR> ok
[05:07] <snatch> it have any problems running with gnome
[05:07] <jUiCeR> but I gotta download them ya?
[05:07] <crazyhorse> i'm off, all of you, enjoy live 8!
[05:07] <synd> jUiCeR: yes
[05:07] <unome> reka, radio service (stream)
[05:07] <reka> jUiCeR: you can burn with nautilus
[05:08] <jUiCeR> really?
[05:08] <jUiCeR> hrm
[05:08] <synd> jUiCeR: apt-get install gnomebaker
[05:08] <reka> yep
[05:08] <reka> if you want
[05:08] <jUiCeR> can u burn .iso from nautilus
[05:08] <reka> TokenBad: i'm not sure.  i've never installed a scrensaver. sorry
[05:08] <reka> jUiCeR: i'm sure you can
[05:09] <Efwis> reka, I got it fixed :), I had to reinstall the applets files from synaptic
[05:09] <unome> the only thing Ubuntu can't do is make fresh coffee
[05:09] <reka> Efwis: well done!
[05:09] <Fr0Gs> were can i get the ati drivers
[05:09] <jUiCeR> fack i cant find my hoary disk
[05:09] <Efwis> now comes the test lol
[05:09] <Fr0Gs> fglrx ones
[05:10] <unome> jUiCeR: for what?
[05:10] <reka> Fr0Gs: xorg or ati's?
[05:10] <Fr0Gs> amm there was this wiki's website
[05:10] <Fr0Gs> that i used to know
[05:10] <Fr0Gs> for it
[05:10] <Fr0Gs> ati drivers
[05:11] <Fr0Gs> for.
[05:11] <Fr0Gs> 4.10
[05:11] <reka> Fr0Gs: this is for xorg's: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowTo
[05:11] <jUiCeR> k3b
[05:11] <jUiCeR> unome: when i use the synaptic to install k3b it wants me to put in hoary cd
[05:11] <calamari> atypical installation question:  can I create a hard disk partition, somehow load the iso into it, and install from it?
[05:11] <reka> Fr0Gs: the official ati driver install is a little harder.
[05:11] <Fr0Gs> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:12] <unome> jUiCeR: just comment the cd line in /etc/apt/source.list
[05:12] <jUiCeR> thx
[05:12] <jUiCeR> cool
[05:12] <unome> seaveas will hate me if I tell a newb about backports, so I'll shut up
[05:12] <jUiCeR> but can nautilus make audio cs?
[05:12] <jUiCeR> cds?
[05:12] <synd> backports is bad
[05:13] <Tuxicity> jUiCeR, no audio CDs is the only thing it cant burn
[05:13] <unome> jUiCeR: the smart people said yes. I don't use Gnome
[05:13] <unome> oops.
[05:13] <jUiCeR> ah
[05:13] <jUiCeR> ok
[05:13] <jUiCeR> i guess i will get gnomebaker
[05:13] <Tuxicity> jUiCeR, yep
[05:14] <Efwis> Yay!!!! it worked!!!
[05:14] <snatch> anyone know about this cdrdao
[05:14] <snatch> k3b says to install that first
[05:14] <reka> Efwis: what worked? :)
[05:15] <unome> apt-cache show cdrdao
[05:15] <Efwis> doing the installs I did with synaptic
[05:16] <Efwis> for my gnome-panel issue
[05:16] <Miks> anybody knows where to get font types for linux?
[05:16] <remyforbes777> mastering linux, whats the best way to learn
[05:16] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, it may have been discussed here: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=firestarter-user
[05:17] <mike_> how do i get mplayer to work in 504
[05:17] <snatch> damn ubuntu is the $hit
[05:18] <unome> word
[05:18] <synd> snatch: indeed
[05:18] <reka> snatch: this your first linux distro?
[05:18] <snatch> nope
[05:18] <snatch> ive used pretty much all the other major ones, but im still a newb as you can tell
[05:19] <remyforbes777> learning linux, whats the best way
[05:19] <flodine> anyone with e17 running
[05:19] <you-bunt-too> remyforbes777, use it
[05:19] <Tuxicity> you-bunt-too, funny thing is I cant load SourceForge cause they have Google Ads :?
[05:19] <reka> remyforbes777: i've read that using gentoo is one way. :)
[05:19] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, use the hosts file here: http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
[05:19] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, it blocks all google ads :)
[05:19] <remyforbes777> thanks reka
[05:20] <flodine> hello anyone running E17
[05:20] <remyforbes777> I am running Ubuntu right now, no x
[05:20] <flodine> e17 wm
[05:21] <tatiana> i'm not but it looks interesting flodine
[05:21] <corza> hi, i recently installed my nvidia driver and it was working good but now it has stopped working it wont display X so i had to change it back to the nv driver.. why could it have stopped working??
[05:21] <flodine> trying to find a help install page
[05:21] <flodine> for e17
[05:22] <tatiana> heh gl w/that flodine
[05:22] <tatiana> only place i know is the E homepage
[05:22] <reka> corza: read the log?
[05:22] <unome> flodine: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20216&highlight=e17
[05:22] <Ghetek> usiing this howto, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996 and ie6 never installs. it downloads but it doesnt install
[05:23] <corza> where is the log located
[05:23] <phaedrus4444> swwweeeet
[05:23] <phaedrus4444> thank you all for your help...ill catch you when i get this thing installed
[05:23] <unome> corza: what log?
[05:23] <Fr0Gs> i just installed bittornado-gui how do i use
[05:23] <Fr0Gs> it
[05:23] <corza> unome: nvidia..
[05:23] <reka> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:24] <unome> corza: nvidia log? what are you trying to do?
[05:24] <orangerange> to any VisualBoyAdvance users here: i have 2 questions. Q1) Do you use any graphical frontend for this?    Q2)Is there a better GBA emulator out there for us Ubuntuers?   Q3)Is there a way to associate GBA files to open up with VBA with a double-click?
[05:24] <unome> tail -f /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages if you are trying to catch errors and such
[05:24] <orangerange> Make that 3 questions. 8-)
[05:25] <Fr0Gs> i just installed bittornado-gui how do i use it ?
[05:25] <reka> Ghetek: did you see seth's post?
[05:25] <Ghetek> seth?
[05:25] <orangerange> Fr0Gs, i had bittornado too, but it didn't seem to work for me.
[05:25] <reka> Ghetek: in your link
[05:25] <Fr0Gs> i just installed bittornado-gui by apt-get install bittorndao-gui how do i use it?
[05:25] <orangerange> I just stuck with the pre-installed Gnome bittorrent client.
[05:25] <X7C> i have a problem with my printer not printing... it's a BJC1000 trying... it won't even print the test page....
[05:25] <corza> unome: my nvidia driver wont start X i had to change it back to nv
[05:26] <X7C> does anyone know how to solve this
[05:26] <Fr0Gs> orangerange, what program would u use
[05:26] <corza> and also my xmms has stopped loading. and mplayer
[05:26] <jasoncohen> why doesn't the gnome system monitor save the preferences after the application is closed?
[05:26] <orangerange> Fr0Gs, gnome bittorrent.
[05:26] <X7C> on the status of the printer says: Ready: Back-channel read error - Input/output error!
[05:26] <unome> corza: what vid card?
[05:26] <chillywilly> why don't I get sound with flash?
[05:26] <Fr0Gs> lol
[05:26] <Fr0Gs> ok
[05:26] <orangerange> Fr0Gs, menu-->Internet--> gnome bittorrent.
[05:27] <`crimsun> corza, did you ever get the latest drivers built properly?
[05:27] <TokenBad> bah think I am going to try a different OS...ubuntu is starting to piss me off
[05:27] <Ghetek> reka: yeah i have tried it 3 times now
[05:27] <reka> Ghetek: you're trying to install wine, correct?
[05:28] <Ghetek> trying to compile from cvs
[05:28] <Ghetek> it compiled without error
[05:28] <Ghetek> but its just the ie installation
[05:28] <Fr0Gs> orangerange, im using 4.10
[05:28] <reka> ok, forgive me, i don't use it.  so apt-get install wine isn't what you want?
[05:28] <Ghetek> oh nah
[05:28] <Ghetek> i want the new cvs
[05:29] <reka> k
[05:29] <Ghetek> but thanks anywho
[05:29] <orangerange> Fr0Gs, i see.
[05:29] <orangerange> maybe there's something in synaptic?
[05:30] <IceDC571> i'm surprised crossover let me install AIM 5.9 (everything worked in it too), itunes, foobar2000.. its like theres no windows app i cant use in linux
[05:30] <Ghetek> IceDC571: did you buy it or compile it?
[05:31] <IceDC571> IceDC571: i'm using the 30 day demo
[05:31] <IceDC571> so far its looking very nicely
[05:31] <reka> chillywilly: search the forums first: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41051&highlight=sound+flash
[05:31] <Misogynist> I like how CodeWeavers actually contributes rather than leeching off of the open-source community like Transgaming
[05:32] <unome> IceDC571: have you tried any DOS aps with crossover?
[05:32] <IceDC571> unome: um.. no, i dont even know of any dos apps
[05:32] <chillywilly> reka: already found the answer...so the package links to the wrong libesd?
[05:32] <chillywilly> that what it seems like to me
[05:33] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, you said you didn't find anything regarding your issue with Firestarter on the Ubuntu Forums? Did you search for Firestarter by topic? Doing so shows at least two threads, one has two pages. O_o
[05:33] <Misogynist> DOSbox is probably a better idea for DOS apps anyway
[05:33] <unome> IceDC571: the only reason windoze is still on my HD is *one* DOS program :(
[05:33] <IceDC571> disney is using codeweavers in all their production systems including the ones making movies today
[05:33] <reka> chillywilly: not sure, but i wouldn't limit it to just the firefox package...ubuntu's sound system is...quirky by default
[05:34] <giard> is the warning against breezy still applicable?  I heard they fixed x11
[05:34] <`crimsun> giard, it'll be applicable a for a while yet
[05:34] <giard> k... must resist temptation
[05:34] <giard> with the 2.11 gnome packages starting to trickle out, I want to try them
[05:34] <`crimsun> reka, you mean esound? yes. ubuntu's "sound system" is fine by default.
[05:34] <Ghetek> i want kubuntu breezy
[05:35] <IceDC571> gnome 3 is what i want to try
[05:35] <snatch> how do i uninstall programs
[05:35] <giard> IceDC571: I don't see that being release for a couple years
[05:35] <Ghetek> sudo apt-get remove appname
[05:35] <giard> IceDC571: sadly
[05:35] <snatch> thx
[05:35] <Misogynist> Not even GNOME knows what GNOME 3 is.
[05:35] <Ghetek> np
[05:35] <IceDC571> giard: actually im guessing a year?
[05:35] <reka> `crimsun: really?  then what are all these problems people have on default install (including me) ?
[05:35] <IceDC571> giard: i dont know.. i hope not 2 years
[05:35] <adwait> hello everyone
[05:35] <giard> IceDC571: they're still doing requirements gathering
[05:35] <`crimsun> reka, are they esound or alsa-related?
[05:35] <Misogynist> Supposedly it's going to have a document-centric interface.
[05:36] <Ghetek> ugh i gotta clean this place (my room)
[05:36] <Misogynist> I don't know what that's supposed to even mean as far as implementation is concerned.
[05:36] <snatch> crap
[05:36] <snatch> my text is all fubar in xmms and a remove didnt fix it
[05:36] <Ghetek> sudo apt-get remove xmms?
[05:36] <IceDC571> unome: what dos program are you using?
[05:36] <`crimsun> reka, it's fairly rare that there's an actual _problem_ with the sound infrastructure. Mostly there are mixer elements that need to be unmuted, and with all the vendor screwage, it's difficult to design workarounds for all of them.
[05:37] <unome> IceDC571: Arclist
[05:37] <snatch> then i did install again
[05:37] <IceDC571> unome: whats that?
[05:37] <snatch> and the text is still messed up
[05:37] <unome> IceDC571: mailing list proggy
[05:37] <Ghetek> xmms shoudlnt even be there after removing... :-/
[05:37] <Ghetek> snatch: did you install via apt-get?
[05:37] <IceDC571> xmms coding is old
[05:37] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, did you find the threads I mentioned?
[05:37] <Xyc0> very old
[05:38] <snatch> yep
[05:38] <Xyc0> some one should pick back up on the winamp linux project
[05:38] <Misogynist> XMMS is a trainwreck. Hopefully people take the initiative to port some of its plugins to GStreamer.
[05:38] <Ghetek> snatch: i suggest you get off of xmms
[05:38] <adwait> hey, heres my problem: x-chat can't connect to any of the irc servers,,,,but chatzilla (extention for firefox) can......
[05:38] <snatch> ill just use that other one the guy recommended
[05:38] <Misogynist> I still have beep-media-player installed for some things like SPC and PSF files.
[05:38] <Ghetek> oy! channel! does noatun work in gnome?
[05:39] <IceDC571> yeah the developers didnt know xmms would get so popular but the coding wasnt too great
[05:39] <you-bunt-too> Misogynist, XMMS2 is in development.
[05:39] <corza> `crimsun indeed i did
[05:39] <Tuxicity> you-bunt-too, yes! wow! long thread! I didnt find it before...
[05:39] <Misogynist> Noatun might give you some problems if you don't have hardware mixing since running esd and arts at the same time is asking for trouble
[05:39] <corza> `crimsun and i was playing tuxracer fine
[05:39] <IceDC571> wiat a minute.. how do you say ubuntu?
[05:39] <Misogynist> Otherwise, if you kill esd first, it should be okay, but it's an awful lot of trouble
[05:39] <snatch> apt-get cant find beep media player
[05:40] <reka> `crimsun: i see.  well in my experience, after every install i have a sequence of steps i have to do in order to get sound to work to my satisfaction.
[05:40] <Ghetek> Misogynist, snatch: there is a howto in the tips and trick section on getting aarts and esd happy with eachother
[05:40] <Ghetek> i suggest that
[05:40] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, it helps to narrow your search down to topic if need be. :-)
[05:40] <Ghetek> noatun is a great, lightweight player
[05:40] <corza> IceDC571: OO-Bun-TOO (atleast i thinkk)
[05:40] <Misogynist> Every time I've done that, artsd has hung after a few minutes of playing sound through it.
[05:40] <Tuxicity> you-bunt-too, I'll read that (and hopefully will not have to get back to you; if not then THANKS)
[05:40] <Misogynist> Multiple systems, too. Fun stuff.
[05:40] <adwait> can somebody help me with my irc problem please?
[05:40] <IceDC571> wow different answers
[05:41] <reka> `crimsun: i may have been too hasty to criticise though.
[05:41] <IceDC571> i always thought it was ooo bun too.. now i seeing you bun too
[05:41] <you-bunt-too> Tuxicity, you're welcome. And if you do get back to me, just ask questions, I'll try to answer. :-)
[05:41] <corza> i dont think it matters
[05:42] <corza> Ubuntu, an African word from Zulu and Xhosa, is pronounced "oo-BOON-too". See the other FAQ on its meaning, it's a worthwhile read. And no, you're not the first person to wonder :-)
[05:42] <`crimsun> reka, what series of steps?
[05:42] <you-bunt-too> IceDC571, I pronounce it eww-bunt-two
[05:42] <Ghetek> NO NONO its you bun taw
[05:42] <jonesstarr> who wants a chance to poke fun at a newbie whose having one heck of a time getting ubuntu to run?
[05:42] <you-bunt-too> Ghetek, really?
[05:42] <corza> Quoted from Ubuntu site "Ubuntu, an African word from Zulu and Xhosa, is pronounced "oo-BOON-too". See the other FAQ on its meaning, it's a worthwhile read. And no, you're not the first person to wonder :-)"
[05:42] <jonesstarr> well, correctly that is
[05:42] <Ghetek> you-bunt-too: of course not
[05:42] <adwait> jonestarr: join the club ;)
[05:42] <you-bunt-too> lol
[05:42] <jonesstarr> lol
[05:43] <jUiCeR> synd: gnomebaker is not a package
[05:43] <Misogynist> jonesstarr: If you want people to make fun of you, you should try running Gentoo
[05:43] <jUiCeR> i tried apt-get
[05:43] <adwait> jonestarr: whts the problem?
[05:43] <IceDC571> lol Misogynist
[05:43] <jonesstarr> what's your box's issue adwait?
[05:43] <snatch> hmm didnt seem to like noatun
[05:43] <adwait> or any "source distro"
[05:43] <IceDC571> theres more than one source distro?
[05:43] <you-bunt-too> I'm going to paint my box in ubuntu colors
[05:43] <jonesstarr> well i have two major issues
[05:43] <Ghetek> Misogynist: if you want people to make fun of you run windows ME
[05:44] <Misogynist> I don't have a problem with OS distributions compiled from source. I run FreeBSD on all of my servers. I just think Gentoo's community is hilarious.
[05:44] <adwait> not much really..............just a lil sound issue (multiple sounds not working) , and little problem here and there.........i am not really a newbie
[05:44] <jonesstarr> i can't get my resolution to work right, and i can't dual boot to XP
[05:44] <synd> jUiCeR: yes it is.
[05:44] <IceDC571> i love FreeBSD
[05:44] <Misogynist> Ghetek: No, then they just sigh, shake their heads and walk away.
[05:44] <Ghetek> lol
[05:44] <adwait> ice: gentoo is one of the famous ones....thr r others (cant remember any......but i hv read abt thm(
[05:44] <IceDC571> adwait: vidalinux ring a bell?
[05:44] <adwait> jonesstarr: do u hv the right drivers?
[05:44] <jonesstarr> i like my little box, but i'm going to kill it if it doens't work right
[05:44] <chillywilly> is there still a little utility script that will let you redirect sound card access to esd? esddsp?
[05:44] <`crimsun> adwait, using esound or alsa directly?
[05:44] <Misogynist> FreeBSD 5.4 is awesome. It took me about fifteen minutes, having never set up BIND to run on it before, to install the OS and get BIND 9 chrooted at startup.
[05:45] <Ghetek> Misogynist: windows me, aol, gateway...
[05:45] <adwait> using alsa
[05:45] <jonesstarr> i don't think so
[05:45] <jonesstarr> but i'm not sure how to get them
[05:45] <jonesstarr> i hear ubuntu hates nvidia
[05:45] <`crimsun> adwait, so you've read the alsa.opensrc.org documentation?
[05:45] <IceDC571> help! wine wont run any of my spyware! lol
[05:45] <Misogynist> Ghetek: Don't forget websites with every obscure feature of Microsoft FrontPage :)
[05:45] <reka> "How to properly configure the sound" & "Howto go further: listening many sounds at the same time, without ESD" [http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26567]  to start off with
[05:45] <Ghetek> jonesstarr: kubuntu loves my nvidia geforce fx5500 256mb
[05:46] <rian> rian
[05:46] <reka> `crimsun: now i'm doubting myself b/c the other problems may lie in the apps themselves :)
[05:46] <jonesstarr> darnit!
[05:46] <pepperpot> Misogynist, I like Microsoft's client-side features better...
[05:46] <Misogynist> Yeah, I've got no trouble with my Geforce3, Geforce4s or GeforceFX in Ubuntu either
[05:46] <rian> asu
[05:46] <adwait> yeah i did tht
[05:46] <jonesstarr> mine is just a picky box i guess
[05:47] <adwait> sounds are working..........but thrs no multiple sounds
[05:47] <adwait> as in, the messenger sounds come after the music stops
[05:47] <`crimsun> adwait, so are you using an overwritten pcm.!default, or are you using plug:dmix?
[05:47] <pepperpot> you-bunt-too, britney spears in the bushes?
[05:47] <IceDC571> ufucktwo linux
[05:47] <IceDC571> oops
[05:47] <Ghetek> EVERYONE SUBMIT YOUR 3RD GLXGEARS OUTPUT FRAMES NOW!
[05:47] <reka> `crimsun: e.g. changing the bmp/xmms output plugin, editing totem's catalog.cache to get sound in some avi files
[05:47] <you-bunt-too> It's "you-bunt-too" as a question from one baseball player to another "You bunt too?" :P
[05:48] <Misogynist> i patched glxgears to render bears instead so now it's called glxbears
[05:48] <Ghetek> 11110 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2222.000 FPS
[05:48] <pepperpot> you-bunt-too, i thought it was advice to the players. "You bunt, too"
[05:48] <jonesstarr> hate to ask a question that may have been answered, but how do i get the right drivers?
[05:48] <you-bunt-too> pepperpot, tell us more of this britney spears
[05:49] <Misogynist> jonesstarr, check the BinaryDriverHowto in the wiki
[05:49] <Ghetek> pepperpot: i thought cvs was "comma values, seperated"
[05:49] <adwait> go to ur manufacturers site jonesstarr
[05:49] <pepperpot> you-bunt-too, you brought her up, rattling in some bushes
[05:49] <Xyc0> I blunt too
[05:49] <jonesstarr> ah
[05:49] <jonesstarr> e-machines is useless, but i'll try
[05:49] <Xyc0> You Blunt Too?
[05:49] <you-bunt-too> pepperpot, no, those were tribal spears
[05:49] <adwait> jonestarr: or sometimes, generic drivers work well too
[05:49] <`crimsun> Ghetek, csv
[05:49] <Misogynist> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:49] <`crimsun> Ghetek, cvs is something else entirely
[05:49] <Ghetek> crimsun: yeah i know but before linux thats what i thought
[05:50] <Ghetek> i thought it was an uptight grammer thing
[05:50] <rian> hai
[05:50] <adwait> hai
[05:50] <Ghetek> ho
[05:50] <adwait> :D
[05:50] <pepperpot> Ghetek, lol
[05:50] <Misogynist> haiti
[05:50] <Ghetek> ):
[05:50] <pepperpot> :,)
[05:50] <Ghetek> o_0
[05:50] <Misogynist> frog is sad
[05:51] <adwait> namaste bonjour hello bon giorno
[05:51] <Misogynist> frog :(
[05:51] <pepperpot> saddest frogs are those deformed ones
[05:51] <jonesstarr> odd, its not letting me get into the wiki
[05:51] <jonesstarr> maybe its just slow
[05:51] <jonesstarr> mm
[05:51] <Misogynist> pepperpot: the one with three regular legs and one tiny one
[05:51] <pepperpot> Misogynist, depressing...
[05:52] <pepperpot> such things make me want to be a misanthropist
[05:52] <Misogynist> misogyny is so much more fun than misanthropy
[05:52] <adwait> huh?
[05:52] <jonesstarr> oh wait, here we go
[05:52] <jonesstarr> i was getting some issues with site certificates
[05:52] <jonesstarr> i just can't see anything with this low screen size
[05:52] <jonesstarr> ugh
[05:53] <adwait> lol
[05:53] <lcarlos> anyone knows perl??
[05:53] <Misogynist> You should be able to hit a decent resolution on VESA drivers regardless.
[05:53] <adwait> btw: which drivers hv u currently installed?
[05:53] <Misogynist> Chances are your monitor isn't sending its sync values over DDC.
[05:53] <Misogynist> You might need to manually enter those in xorg.conf
[05:53] <pepperpot> misogynists have more fun?
[05:54] <Misogynist> Amen.
[05:54] <lcarlos> wich is the variable for the arguments in perl
[05:54] <lcarlos> ??
[05:54] <shido> I see cx88 tvaudio  running
[05:54] <shido> but when I use zapper
[05:54] <shido> I dont get tv audio
[05:54] <jonesstarr> i haven't installed anything past what i started out with on install adwait
[05:55] <Misogynist> @ARGV
[05:55] <adwait> ok
[05:55] <jonesstarr> oh boy, manual configuration
[05:55] <IceDC571> in my day it was nice to have 256 colors
[05:55] <jonesstarr> i wish ed was here
[05:55] <adwait> lol
[05:55] <jonesstarr> yeesh
[05:55] <Ghetek> http://www.kindlycomputer.com/ghetek/ubuntu.htm
[05:55] <adwait> jonesstarr: if u can't get it to work, i gues u could manually edit xorg.conf
[05:56] <IceDC571> then i got  my new 16mb EDO ram that displayed high color resolution at 800x600
[05:56] <you-bunt-too> IceDC571, I'm blind, so 256 colors must be a lot to some
[05:56] <IceDC571> video card
[05:56] <jonesstarr> adwait: how do i do that
[05:56] <Misogynist> You could also run xorgconfig, of course, but re-entering all that crap is more of a pain than dumping two lines into a file
[05:56] <adwait> jonestarr: its in /etc/X11/xorf.conf
[05:57] <jonesstarr> adwait: i'm really unfamiliar with editing code, what will i have to enter?
[05:57] <adwait> under section screen, u should be able to see different colours and resolutions
[05:57] <adwait> hold on ill send u a copy of my file
[05:57] <jonesstarr> ok
[05:58] <Misogynist> i ain't no hollaback girl
[05:58] <IceDC571> why is windows limited at 16.7 million colors back in the '98 days?
[05:58] <jonesstarr> dunno
[05:58] <synd> cause its windows
[05:58] <Misogynist> 16.7 million colors is 24-bit.
[05:58] <IceDC571> what is 32-bit, 4 billion?
[05:58] <synd> 98 was a pseudo-32bit OS
[05:58] <Misogynist> "32-bit" color is 24-bit color with an additional 8 bits for the alpha channel
[05:59] <IceDC571> yep
[05:59] <IceDC571> now i remember, thank you
[05:59] <skel_> hello i got a wuick question
[05:59] <skel_> quick*
[05:59] <Misogynist> Not quick enough
[05:59] <reka> can anyone even tell the difference b/n 32-bit and 16-bit in games?
[05:59] <Misogynist> NEXT
[05:59] <skel_> when i apply this command alltray --borderless "gnome-terminal --window-with-profile=tterm"
[05:59] <Misogynist> reka: Absolutely, especially with complex lighting involved
[05:59] <phaedrus_> hihi
[05:59] <IceDC571> reka: 16bit is faster
[05:59] <IceDC571> lol
[05:59] <tatiana> Misogynist, .... what anick.
[05:59] <skel_> i get the tray icon but when i close the terminal i put it in the setting disppears
[05:59] <phaedrus_> how can i mount the second partition on my hd?
[06:00] <reka> Misogynist: hmm, i mustn't be playing the right games :)
[06:00] <phaedrus_> thi is a very fresh installation of ubuntu
[06:00] <skel_> got any idea Misogynist
[06:00] <Misogynist> phaedrus_: You want some warming lube and some dim lighting
[06:00] <skel_> its confusing me
[06:00] <skel_> lol
[06:00] <reka> IceDC571: yeah, i can't see any improvement in image quality...but maybe i'm going blind
[06:00] <phaedrus_> hehe ok
[06:00] <IceDC571> well i sure can see the difference
[06:01] <phaedrus_> ok
[06:01] <tina> hi all!
[06:02] <skel_> hmmm no one knows
[06:02] <reka> phaedrus_: [1]  sudo fdisk -l and find the partition label [2]  is it NTFS, FAT32, what?
[06:02] <phaedrus_> no advice on how to find this partition?
[06:02] <phaedrus_> oh thanks
[06:02] <Misogynist> skel_: Processes are attached to a tty, when the TTY closes, the process dies
[06:02] <phaedrus_> i thought it was ext3
[06:02] <Misogynist> You want to run nohop processname &
[06:02] <Misogynist> err
[06:02] <Misogynist> nohup
[06:02] <skel_> can i sitck the proccess?
[06:02] <IceDC571> there we go i found it
[06:02] <tina> scuse me  .... is someone here who has install q3demo with ubuntu?
[06:03] <IceDC571> 32-bit is 4.2 billion colors
[06:03] <skel_> guess alltry is awesome
[06:03] <reka> phaedrus_: ah.  do the fdisk to find the label
[06:03] <Misogynist> 32-bit is 16.7 million colors
[06:03] <IceDC571> well according to linux it can be 4.2 billion colors too
[06:03] <Misogynist> Linux is stupid
[06:03] <Misogynist> And wrong
[06:03] <skel_> lol
[06:03] <IceDC571> Misogynist: maybe its just KDE ;)
[06:03] <Misogynist> KDE and GNOME both upset me.
[06:04] <IceDC571> what?
[06:04] <IceDC571> then what do you use?
[06:04] <skel_> & what Misogynist  i almost out of ya hair
[06:04] <skel_> lol
[06:04] <reka> tina: the demo, or the full version?
[06:04] <Misogynist> I use KDE, grudgingly.
[06:04] <tina> reka: the demo
[06:04] <Misogynist> I can't help but think KDE could be so much more if they actually gave a damn about things like "usability" and "usability"
[06:04] <Misogynist> Qt is a damn fast toolkit
[06:05] <tina> i think the problems that i have are becaus eof the opengl drivers
[06:05] <tina> but i'm not sure and i don't know what to do
[06:05] <tina> :S
[06:05] <skel_> dammit nohup aitn cutting it
[06:05] <skel_> lol
[06:05] <reka> tina: have you managed to install it?
[06:06] <Miks> if i download some font types.. in which folder should i place them in order to use em?
[06:06] <IceDC571> Misogynist: hah i was right!! "more than 16 million colors with 8-bit alpha channel allow for over 4.2 billion color combinations"
[06:06] <Misogynist> IceDC571, you're just hearing what you want to hear and ignoring the truth.
[06:06] <tina> mmm ..... yes, my problem is when i try to launch the game
[06:06] <synd> does ubuntu's live CD with powerpc support, have the ability to use the os x filesystem?
[06:06] <tina> it says: Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem
[06:06] <IceDC571> lol.. alright
[06:06] <Tuxicity> IceDC571, 32-bit is 24-bit + alpha
[06:06] <quidam> hello world anybody knows how i can register a acount in nicotine???
[06:06] <IceDC571> Tuxicity: yep
[06:07] <reka> tina: seems like you need 3d support. have you installed your graphics card driver?
[06:07] <synd> does ubuntu's live CD with powerpc support, have the ability to use the os x filesystem?
[06:07] <Fr0Gs> ok fuck Gnome bittorrent use azureus
[06:08] <holycow> no it doesn't
[06:08] <holycow> wtf is wrong with you
[06:08] <tina> i have a nvidia GF2 and i have the nvidia-glx package installed and enables, tuxracer works nice
[06:08] <skel_> AMEN to that Fr0GS!
[06:08] <Strife> azureus is nice
[06:08] <Fr0Gs> skel_, do you use cedega?
[06:08] <Strife> but gnome bittorrent isn't bad
[06:09] <synd> Fr0Gs: azureus is a resource hog.
[06:09] <IceDC571> azureus is slow and uses java
[06:09] <reka> tina: glxinfo | grep rendering
[06:09] <synd> Fr0Gs: same with limewire, and most other jaba apps.
[06:09] <Fr0Gs> oh well i have 2gb of ram
[06:09] <synd> java*
[06:09] <synd> Fr0Gs: well most people dont.
[06:09] <Strife> azureus is NOT slow
[06:09] <Strife> and Java was only slow 10 years ago
[06:09] <Strife> welcome to the 21st century, IceDC571
[06:09] <skel_> nah i just bought a new video card tho Fr0Gs
[06:09] <tina> reka: direct rendering: Yes
[06:09] <skel_> nvdia 256Mb
[06:09] <IceDC571> java is still slow.. even on my cell phone
[06:09] <holycow> whoever says auzereus is slow, has no clue and probably uses windows
[06:09] <skel_> so i might be pirtaing some new games
[06:09] <synd> Strife: java is terrible
[06:09] <Strife> IceDC571: then all your hardware including your cell phone sucks
[06:10] <Strife> I'll never understand the fanatical java-hating
[06:10] <reka> tina: well, you've got 3d support alright.
[06:10] <holycow> lol Strife
[06:10] <holycow> exactly
[06:10] <Misogynist> Java's pretty quick after you get a couple cups of coffee waiting for the JVM to start up
[06:10] <adwait> lol.......ice: umm java is prtyy fast on my phone
[06:10] <Strife> if you don't like the way it works, fine, but you don't need to bash it based on how it was 8 years ago
[06:10] <tina> :D ...
[06:10] <reka> tina: have you googled/searched ubuntuforums.org yet?
[06:10] <synd> java aint changed much at all
[06:10] <Misogynist> The SWT bindings to GTK+ could sure be faster
[06:10] <Strife> I have a piece of shit phone, and Java works quite well on it
[06:10] <holycow> it has changed A LOT
[06:10] <holycow> especially in the 1.5 jre
[06:10] <phaedrus_> hello...
[06:10] <Strife> tell you what
[06:11] <synd> go take a gander at LimeWire, it sucks the life out of your system.
[06:11] <Strife> let's just not talk about java
[06:11] <IceDC571> C++, gtk, is better than java
[06:11] <holycow> clearly you have no clue
[06:11] <Strife> since it always gets turned into a flamewar
[06:11] <phaedrus_> this is what i get when i do fdisk -l
[06:11] <phaedrus_> /dev/hda1               1        2550    20482843+  83  Linux
[06:11] <phaedrus_> /dev/hda2            2551        3570     8193150    5  Extended
[06:11] <phaedrus_> /dev/hda3            3571        3647      618502+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[06:11] <phaedrus_> /dev/hda5            2551        3570     8193118+  83  Linux
[06:11] <synd> holycow: im a java programmer.
[06:11] <skel_> grr this so frustrating
[06:11] <Strife> HEY
[06:11] <skel_> jesus
[06:11] <Misogynist> I still wouldn't dream of using Java for game programming or anything, but it's fine for application programming most of the time
[06:11] <skel_> lol
[06:11] <Strife> NO JAVA
[06:11] <phaedrus_> how do i use the hda2?
[06:11] <Strife> let's answer phaedrus_'s question
[06:11] <holycow> lol okay no java
[06:11] <tina> reka: no ...., i wanted to ask here in the IRC channel first, because i have had a very good experiencie with helpful users
[06:11] <synd> phaedrus_: please do not paste here.
[06:11] <adwait> java is ok for web programming/ J2ME
[06:11] <Strife> phaedrus_: what do you mean? you want to format it so that you can access it?
[06:11] <reka> phaedrus_: please DON'T paste > 2 lines.
[06:11] <adwait> c++ for all else :)
[06:12] <phaedrus_> ok...no prob..sorry
[06:12] <IceDC571> java for websites.. ack
[06:12] <synd> phaedrus_: /topic , please
[06:12] <IceDC571> java for decrypting my apple aac files = :)
[06:12] <reka> phaedrus_: which partition do you want to mount?
[06:12] <Fr0Gs> does anyone use linux as permanet os?
[06:12] <foe> me
[06:12] <phaedrus_> i had data on that partition  (hda2)  and now i want to access it after i just installed ubuntu
[06:12] <adwait> frogs: as in?
[06:12] <synd> Fr0Gs: i do, on my x86 boxes
[06:12] <Strife> Fr0Gs: if you mean as the only os... I do
[06:12] <Strife> on my laptop anyway
[06:12] <tina> reka: maye i need an obengl library .... any idea about that?
[06:12] <skel_> i do
[06:12] <adwait> well mount it phaedrus
[06:12] <foe> me on my laptop too
[06:12] <phaedrus_> dont know how
[06:12] <Fr0Gs> i would foe but i need to counter-strike source working first :)
[06:13] <reka> phaedrus_: open up /etc/fstab
[06:13] <Strife> cedega supposedly works really well, Fr0Gs
[06:13] <foe> lol
[06:13] <IceDC571> parted sucks.. its so slow
[06:13] <IceDC571> even on my cell phone
[06:13] <Strife> I should try it actually... because the only reason my desktop has winxp still is so I can play games
[06:13] <IceDC571> it takes days to defrag my 200mb hard drive!
[06:13] <unome> speaking of cedega, how much you pay?
[06:13] <Strife> and that's been my excuse for keeping windows for about 4 years now
[06:13] <synd> does ubuntu's live CD with powerpc support, have the ability to use the os x filesystem?
[06:13] <adwait> phaedurs: if u want to temporarily mount it, thn just tyep sudo mount /dev/hda2 auto /mount/location
[06:13] <reka> phaedrus_: actually, you should first make a directory for it to mount to.  say /media/stuff or something like that.
[06:14] <foe> wine works fine with me on some win emulated games
[06:14] <IceDC571> transgaming products suck.. its so slow.. even on my cell phone
[06:14] <WMCoolmon> hey, trying to get a network card working with kubuntu in another system - according to the wiki, it should work. however, it isn't actually able to reach anything outside of itself - including the router it's plugged in to
[06:14] <foe> ultima online, starcraft,...
[06:14] <foe> im not a cs lover anyway :p
[06:14] <Strife> CS got old after a while
[06:14] <synd> i stick to console gaming
[06:14] <Strife> and CS:S didn't improve anything but the graphics
[06:14] <reka> tina: hang on, checking something
[06:15] <Strife> synd: yeah, I think I'm going to just say screw pc gaming and do consoles only
[06:15] <Strife> then I can just format winxp
[06:15] <phaedrus_> i cant find etc/fstab
[06:15] <Strife> but I love HL2 ever so much
[06:15] <synd> Strife: yeah, screw windows.
[06:15] <adwait> phaedrus: thts not possible........
[06:15] <reka> phaedrus_: /etc/fstab
[06:15] <synd> gaming is the only reason to have win, imo
[06:15] <holycow> Strife, you will probably have more fun on consoles anyway
[06:15] <Tuxicity> the only nice game is UT2004 on Linux, WOOO!
[06:15] <WMCoolmon> the netcard is a d-link dfe-530tx if that helps
[06:15] <skel_> This Nohup isnt working
[06:15] <Strife> holycow: yeah more or less
[06:15] <skel_> for alltay it wont stay running
[06:16] <Strife> holycow: of course, I don't really have time to play games much anyway
[06:16] <Strife> being a physics major and all
[06:16] <phaedrus_> Couldn't display "/etc/fstab".
[06:16] <phaedrus_> thats what i get
[06:16] <holycow> Strife, heh, nice indeed
[06:16] <adwait> quite a lot of gaming freaks use linux
[06:16] <Strife> adwait: when linux controls a sizeable portion of the desktop market :P
[06:16] <Strife> adwait: i.e., likely never
[06:16] <jonesstarr> oh goody! my screen is a usable size again!
[06:16] <Misogynist> adwait: When the platform stops being so fragmented that it actually becomes worth it to support more than one distribution
[06:16] <IceDC571> adwait: they will port games to linux as soon as apple rolls out their intel line
[06:16] <Tuxicity> adwait, UT2004, DOOM3
[06:16] <adwait> jonesstarr: good :)
[06:16] <misfit_toy> whoah, freakin' kbarcode and mysql, holy crap!@!!
[06:16] <synd> adwait: with apples move to x86, youll see more ports to mac than linux.
[06:16] <IceDC571> wine is only for x86, correct?
[06:17] <jonesstarr> now all i have to fix is grub and ubuntus strange desire to lock up when i log in
[06:17] <jonesstarr> hmm
[06:17] <Strife> man, if mac prices go down after the switch, I'm switching to os x
[06:17] <reka> tina: hmm, not sure.  if you've got 3d support already, you don't need to install any opengl stuff. afaik
[06:17] <Strife> hate to break it to you guys
[06:17] <WMCoolmon> bleh, i'll ask later...is there anyone who has amd64 and knows how to install wine, or get the starcraft installer working with cedega?
[06:17] <Strife> but OS X >> *
[06:17] <synd> linux is the ultimate big loser in the apple x86 move
[06:17] <jonesstarr> thanks so much adwait
[06:17] <reka> tina: start googling
[06:17] <synd> IMO
[06:17] <Strife> synd: probably
[06:17] <adwait> jonestarr: np.....so wht actually worked? the new driver? or did u hv to edit the xorg.conf?
[06:17] <reka> phaedrus_: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[06:17] <jonesstarr> i got the new driver adwait
[06:17] <tina> reka: ok .... thanks a lot for your time ;)
[06:17] <WMCoolmon> i've been trying to completely move over to linux as win2k doesn't seem to want to support my sata drive
[06:17] <phaedrus_> oh
[06:18] <phaedrus_> i got it
[06:18] <jonesstarr> no configurations necessairy
[06:18] <phaedrus_> now
[06:18] <adwait> jonestarr: k
[06:18] <Strife> synd: but honestly, I don't think linux was ever going to make enough headway to truly compete in the desktop market... unless it got to the point where businesses started using it to save money, then people would want to run the same OS at home... that's really still linux's only chance as a mainstream desktop OS
[06:18] <phaedrus_> now hwat to do with fstab>?
[06:18] <reka> tina: ask again later if you can't find anything...some1 might know
[06:18] <JDahl> synd, I think just the opposite... What's good for Mac is potentially good Linux also
[06:18] <IceDC571> codeweavers is going to develop their crossover products on intel OS X asap
[06:18] <IceDC571> so linux might be screwed..
[06:18] <tina> reka: ;)
[06:18] <synd> Strife: which is exactly why Win will never die.
[06:18] <adwait> phaedurs type /dev/hda2 <TAB> auto <TAB> mount location
[06:18] <Misogynist> Strife: There's also a lot of screwed Microsoft customers who are really pissed off about Software Assurance
[06:18] <Strife> synd: yep
[06:18] <synd> JDahl: noo sir
[06:18] <Misogynist> They paid for upgrades and there's no OS release until 2007
[06:18] <adwait> jonestarr: whts with grub?
[06:19] <phaedrus_> on the document?
[06:19] <Misogynist> Microsoft is manufacturing a second Windows Server 2003 release called R2 to keep them from revolting
[06:19] <Strife> Misogynist: actually, there are just a lot of screwed MS customers period... i.e., all of them
[06:19] <jonesstarr> adwait: well it won't let me load XP
[06:19] <jonesstarr> i can choose it, but i get an error
[06:19] <reka> adwait: are you sure that's the partition phaedrus_  wants?
[06:19] <adwait> jonestarr: i hv spent a whole lot of time getting grub to just start on a xp machine of a friend.......it straight goes to xp
[06:19] <adwait> reka: i think he said hda2
[06:19] <Misogynist> I can tell you flat-out that the only reason a lot of IT departments, including mine, are still running Windows is because of the chicken-and-egg problem with software.
[06:19] <jonesstarr> adwait: i have a vague idea of how to fix it from what i've read in forums, but i can't get into the file to edit
[06:19] <reka> phaedrus_: at the end, create a new line with what adwait said
[06:20] <synd> Windoze as a server OS is fine.
[06:20] <Misogynist> Mac and Linux might be fine for webapp frontend boxes, or things like that, but there's a startling lack of software for things like CAD or accounting for Linux and Mac.
[06:20] <Misogynist> I disagree.
[06:20] <jonesstarr> adwait: i installed ubuntu on a different drive and it worked fine. i don't like the idea of partitioning everything
[06:20] <adwait> jonestarr: i forgot to add..........to no avail :p
[06:20] <Strife> yep CAD
[06:20] <Misogynist> Print Spooler running as LocalSystem? What the fuck were they thinking?
[06:20] <Strife> that's what we need
[06:20] <phaedrus_> using gedit i cant type on the document
[06:20] <Strife> that's what I need anyway
[06:21] <Strife> supposedly there's an Autocad version for linux...
[06:21] <Strife> supposedly
[06:21] <adwait> phaedrus: did u type sudo b4 ur command/
[06:21] <adwait> ?
[06:21] <reka> phaedrus_: did you use sudo?
[06:21] <jonesstarr> adwait: two hard drives, XP on the slave and install grub and linux on the master after
[06:21] <phaedrus_> bah
[06:21] <Misogynist> Windows is insecure out of the box and there's not enough documentation to secure it properly. Once you spend weeks locking it down, you wonder why you didn't install FreeBSD in the first place, which would have taken you fifteen minutes.
[06:21] <IceDC571> do you guys think piracy will increase when apple switches out to their intel line, and possibly create spyware on their OS? maybe later that will come to a reality and linux will come to the top
[06:21] <synd> IceDC571: no
[06:21] <Misogynist> Spyware is a problem with Windows because Windows has a severe issue with Least User Access
[06:22] <Strife> the only reason there would be more mac viruses/spyware is if their market share goes way up...
[06:22] <iluciv> Hi anyone complied a vanlla kernel in ubuntu before??
[06:22] <Misogynist> It has nothing to do with architecture or marketshare
[06:22] <Strife> but for the reason Misogynist just mentioned, they won't be as bad
[06:22] <synd> and mac os is much easier to rid of viruses and spyware if any ever popped up
[06:22] <synd> since theres no registry for them to hide
[06:22] <Strife> Misogynist: I would argue it does... but yes, the way Windows works lends itself to viruses/spyware more than other OSes
[06:22] <adwait> jonestarr: hmm..........but i read somewhere tht XP needs to be on the master, and necessarily on the first sector
[06:23] <reka> phaedrus_: note that adwait's sample line was incorrect. :)  look at the other lines as examples
[06:23] <Misogynist> We're no longer at the point where the majority of spyware is installed by users installing software and not reading the EULAs.
[06:23] <jonesstarr> adwait: nah
[06:23] <synd> oh well. you wont be seeing me use windows at all anyways.
[06:23] <adwait> reka: oops :p
[06:23] <reka> phaedrus_: did you create a directory to mount to?
[06:23] <jonesstarr> i'll see if it works when i get grub working!
[06:23] <jonesstarr> lol
[06:23] <Misogynist> A really sizeable portion of it is being installed either by so-called "drive-by installs" through Internet Explorer exploits, or worse, by other spyware.
[06:23] <phaedrus_> yeah like mount point?
[06:23] <phaedrus_> what do i put?
[06:24] <synd> Misogynist: indeed
[06:24] <phaedrus_> how do i create directory ?
[06:24] <synd> which is why all Win users should use FF right from the start
[06:24] <phaedrus_> seems i have not hte priviledges
[06:24] <Misogynist> Sadly, until Internet Explorer works 100% flawlessly in Linux, I'm stuck on Windows for the time being.
[06:24] <REds> mount -t ext3 /dev/hdd1 /mnt/second_hdd
[06:24] <Misogynist> At least in a dual-boot scenario.
[06:24] <REds> mkdir /mnt/second_hdd, do this before u mount it
[06:25] <phaedrus_> can it be  mkdir /media/second_hdd  ?
[06:25] <REds> phaedrus_ yes sure
[06:25] <Misogynist> The problem is that Microsoft slashes things like "quality control" to meet deadlines
[06:25] <holycow> what does ie have anything to do with staying on windows?
[06:25] <holycow> your a webdesigner?
[06:25] <reka> phaedrus_: sudo mkdir /media/<name>
[06:25] <Misogynist> holycow: Correct
[06:25] <jasmuz> Misogynist: i cant belive you like IE
[06:25] <REds> firefox and opera does a dam good job of doing what ie does and even more sometimes
[06:25] <reka> phaedrus_: replacing <name> with whatever you want to call it of course
[06:25] <IceDC571> Misogynist: why do you develop websites for ie?
[06:25] <IceDC571> that makes me sad
[06:25] <synd> IceDC571: because IE is the web standard.
[06:25] <holycow> no its not
[06:25] <synd> IceDC571: some 80% of people use IE
[06:26] <reka> heh
[06:26] <Misogynist> IceDC571: Because making websites that don't display properly in 92% of people's browsers probably isn't going to win over any clients
[06:26] <holycow> so what?
[06:26] <Tuxicity> cause he develops spyware ;)
[06:26] <unome> IE ::spit::
[06:26] <Strife> IE blwos
[06:26] <Strife> blows even
[06:26] <Quest-Master> synd: Just because a majority of people use IE doesn't mean it's a web standard by any meanrs, sorry
[06:26] <synd> holycow: youre not thinking on business terms
[06:26] <holycow> making cross browser websites is dead easy
[06:26] <reka> synd: people developing solely for IE is the reason why most websites suck
[06:26] <Strife> yep
[06:26] <holycow> no you simply have no clue
[06:26] <Strife> because IE is terribly nonstandard
[06:26] <weasel__> question: how do I change permissions to a folder so i can access it from user, not only root?
[06:26] <REds> miscz_ but thats alot of because developers dont adhere too web standards when they code, its why they dont work properly in firefox alot of the time
[06:26] <synd> lmao
[06:26] <Misogynist> holycow: I don't think you've ever touched Internet Explorer's box model
[06:26] <Sophistication> IE has this funny click click also ::evil:: I tell you almost drives one mad, "Almost" even then.!.
[06:26] <Strife> weasel__: chown or chgrp
[06:27] <holycow> cross browser sites are dead easy - the only exception perhaps is purely css sites and only idiots do that because thats ridiculously hard
[06:27] <synd> why develop a website that doesnt show properly on over 80% of clients?
[06:27] <phaedrus_> ok..what for under "options" in fstab?
[06:27] <Misogynist> Or run into the guillotine bug, or any of the other myriad issues IE has over on QuirksMode
[06:27] <holycow> Misogynist, correct, you avoid that which is a: wrong and b: doesn't work
[06:27] <synd> thats not good for business.
[06:27] <holycow> if your throwing dhtml into your sites, your doing things wrong
[06:27] <Misogynist> holycow: People like you are why the world doesn't take Linux and its users seriously. Drop the zealotry, and we'll continue this conversation. Otherwise, goodbye.
[06:27] <IceDC571> holycow: who cares, i like my floating text and comet cursors!
[06:27] <Sophistication> php & mysql is all you need lol.
[06:28] <Quest-Master> roflmao
[06:28] <synd> Quest-Master: so whats the web standard? FF? please.
[06:28] <Quest-Master> synd: No, what the W3C sets.
[06:28] <holycow> Misogynist, on the other hand, people like me drop cross browser websites out that work everywhere, and clients love us
[06:28] <holycow> or at least i used to when i did that :)
[06:28] <IceDC571> W3C - i believe in that standard
[06:28] <Quest-Master> holycow is right. ;)
[06:28] <holycow> IceDC571, touche :) haha
[06:28] <phaedrus_> ok..what for under "options" in fstab?
[06:29] <weasel__> strife: so i do sudo chown <folder> ?
[06:29] <Misogynist> The only reason pure CSS sites are "ridiculously hard" is _because_ of Internet Explorer.
[06:29] <Strife> weasel__: man chown
[06:29] <Misogynist> ... :(
[06:29] <Strife> sudo chown yourusername directory
[06:29] <holycow> Misogynist, indeedy, i wish itwere otherwise and we could drop the tables forever
[06:29] <adwait> phaedurs: afaik they can samely be left blank..........reka?
[06:29] <unome> chown -R
[06:29] <adwait> *safely
[06:29] <Strife> weasel__: and they're called 'directories' not 'folders' :)
[06:29] <IceDC571> what happened to that opera guy who was supposed to swim to north america?
[06:29] <Strife> sorry, unome is right
[06:29] <adwait> :D
[06:30] <reka> adwait: never mounted ext3 partitions before :)
[06:30] <Strife> if you want ALL the subfies/directories to have a different owner, you need to do -R to make it recursive
[06:30] <jasmuz> folders---> tha is so windows
[06:30] <andrewski> anyone know if the debian xfwm4 is compiled with the compositor?
[06:30] <battlecat> Misogynist: I have had reverse issues where Opera and IE and Lynx loved the CSS but Mozilla hated it.
[06:30] <Strife> jasmuz: and noob mac
[06:30] <reka> phaedrus_: you might want to put rw there
[06:30] <weasel__> strife: sorry, i am a windows person before 2 days ago.
[06:30] <holycow> IceDC571, well that was announced a few weeks ago ... that sorta thing takes a whole lotta planning
[06:30] <Strife> weasel__: I forgive you for your sins, my son
[06:30] <adwait> phaedrus: leave it blank and try mounting.......i dont think it should be a problem
[06:30] <Misogynist> andrewski: The Ubuntu distribution of Xfce4 isn't Debian's, it's OS-Cillation's package, so yes, I believe it does
[06:30] <reka> thanks adwait
[06:31] <phaedrus_> ok...i saved the file..now how to mount?
[06:31] <adwait> reka: :S thx for wht??
[06:31] <adwait> phaedrus: type mount /dev/hda2
[06:31] <holycow> weasel__, it's okay :) its okay even if you decide you don't like linux
[06:31] <reka> adwait: helping out
[06:31] <adwait> uuh no
[06:31] <holycow> welcome and hopefully you have fun
[06:31] <andrewski> Misogynist: hmm, i thought that crimsun created his own packages for ubuntu?
[06:31] <adwait> sudo mount /dev/hda2
[06:31] <andrewski> Misogynist: in fact, i'd bet on it.
[06:31] <reka> adwait: er, don't think that's correct
[06:32] <adwait> reka: no?? why not?
[06:32] <reka> phaedrus_: sudo mount -t /dev/hda2 /meda/<name> iirc
[06:32] <reka> something like that
[06:32] <reka> adwait: cos where would it mount to?
[06:32] <adwait> reka: tht is if u havent created an fstab entry
[06:32] <reka> oh, ok
[06:32] <reka> :)
[06:32] <adwait> reka: it looks at the fstab entry for all the info
[06:32] <adwait> heh
[06:33] <reka> adwait: righto, sorry
[06:33] <phaedrus_> this is what it says
[06:33] <phaedrus_> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[06:33] <adwait> phaedrus: in fstab, wht did u put in the third coloumn
[06:33] <adwait> if its an ext3 put "ext3" thr......if not sure put auto thr
[06:33] <phaedrus_> auto
[06:33] <Misogynist> I've got to head out, work at 9:00
[06:33] <Misogynist> G'night
[06:34] <IceDC571> lol hydrairc
[06:34] <reka> was gonna say :)
[06:35] <IceDC571> i remember helping them develop their betas
[06:35] <phaedrus_> adwait..can i message you the errors i get?
[06:35] <phaedrus_> too many to paste inhere
[06:35] <adwait> ok
[06:36] <rose_> hello everyone
[06:36] <reka> lo
[06:36] <phaedrus_> uh...adwait  and  reka
[06:36] <phaedrus_> this is the first liine of the error
[06:36] <phaedrus_>  wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,
[06:36] <adwait> phaedrus: bolo?
[06:36] <reka> mmhmm?
[06:37] <phaedrus_> this is second
[06:37] <phaedrus_> missing codepage or other error
[06:37] <adwait> phaedrus: wrong fs type??? u put auto right? it should rcognise the fs..
[06:37] <adwait> phaedrus: uuh.......u sure ur trying to mount hda2 right?
[06:38] <reka> phaedrus_:  /dev/hda2            2551        3570     8193150    5  Extended
[06:38] <reka> sure you want to mount that?
[06:38] <adwait> lol
[06:38] <adwait> make it hda5
[06:39] <adwait> thts just an extended partition
[06:39] <adwait> hda5 is wht u want to mount
[06:39] <reka> adwait: told you i wasn't sure that's what he wanted. :P
[06:39] <WMCoolmon> anyone have experience getting a d-link dfe-530tx working on ubuntu?
[06:39] <adwait> reka: he said somewhre he wanted hda2 (or so i think)
[06:40] <tsk> how can i find out which package has the iostream man page?
[06:40] <adwait> phaedrus_	i had data on that partition (hda2) and now i want to access it after i just installed ubuntu
[06:40] <reka> adwait: hehe, true.
[06:41] <tsk> anyone?
[06:41] <asimismo_> Anyone do Grub on Raid?
[06:41] <reka> tsk: manpages-dev probably
[06:42] <tsk> hmm, already installed
[06:42] <j__> sometimes I rightclick>properties on an ogg or mp3 file, it kills gnome...bug?
[06:43] <adwait> does anyone know how to configure dsl-502t to let http connections thru? and smtp connection out?
[06:43] <adwait> since i got this new ADSL connection, my mails never reach anybody if i send them using sendmail
[06:43] <adwait> and i cant access my webpage...hosted on my pc
[06:43] <reka> j_: i think that's a problem with either the gstreamer or totem backend.
[06:44] <adwait> i tried adding thses rules to the filters section thru the web admin of the router (which i had to do with IE..the firwares so fussy :p)
[06:44] <phaedrus__> wow...nothing
[06:44] <phaedrus__> this sucks
[06:44] <phaedrus__> lol
[06:44] <Sophistication> phaedrus__, out of beer eh
[06:44] <adwait> phaedrus_: ??
[06:45] <reka> phaedrus__: did you change it to /dev/hda5?
[06:45] <j__> reka- ok
[06:45] <phaedrus__> i didnt change it
[06:46] <reka> change it.
[06:46] <reka> :)
[06:46] <phaedrus__> so in fstab this is the line
[06:46] <phaedrus__> /dev/hda5 <tab> /media/second_hdd <tab> ext3
[06:46] <adwait> right
[06:46] <phaedrus__> is that correct?
[06:47] <adwait> yup.........
[06:47] <phaedrus__> uh..ok
[06:47] <reka> phaedrus__: hopefully you didn't actually put in <tab> :-/
[06:47] <phaedrus__> lol
[06:47] <adwait> lol
[06:47] <phaedrus__> command for the mount again?
[06:47] <reka> i'll take that as a no.  good.
[06:47] <adwait> sudo mount /dev/hda5
[06:48] <tina> reka: i got it! :D
[06:49] <reka> tina: please indulge.. :)
[06:49] <tina> reka: :D ./q3demo +set r_gldriver libGL.so.1.0.7174
[06:49] <reka> tina: how'd you work that out?
[06:49] <phaedrus__> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda5,   <-----same message
[06:50] <tina> reka: README file and luck
[06:50] <adwait> phaedrus :S
[06:50] <phaedrus__> yeah..tell me about it...
[06:50] <reka> phaedrus__: my guess is you need to add two zeroes like the other ones after auto
[06:50] <adwait> maybe its not ext3.......its ext2?
[06:50] <tina> reka: ok .... now i'm going to play :D
[06:50] <reka> that too
[06:51] <reka> tina: well done!
[06:51] <phaedrus__> well...i can do the  -l  command again and see rioght?
[06:51] <phaedrus__> what was that one again?
[06:51] <adwait> yeah
[06:51] <reka> phaedrus__: it just said linux
[06:51] <unome> what reka said, you need 0s
[06:51] <reka> phaedrus__: it doesn't differentiate b/m e3 and e2
[06:52] <reka> phaedrus__: well, unome is backing me up :)
[06:52] <phaedrus__> what was that list  -l   partition command again>
[06:52] <reka> phaedrus__: add the zeroes
[06:52] <reka> phaedrus__: sudo fdisk -l
[06:52] <xaelius> i have an issue :-\
[06:52] <reka> don't we all?
[06:53] <xaelius> when I installed it didnt even ask for a root password
[06:53] <xaelius> and I cant login as root
[06:53] <morphology> http://www.alobbs.com/images/3ubuntu.jpg
[06:53] <reka> xaelius: root is disabled by default
[06:53] <reka> xaelius: read all about it here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RootSudo
[06:53] <unome> morphology: great art!
[06:53] <phaedrus__> /dev/hda5            2551        3570     8193118+  83  Linux
[06:54] <phaedrus__> that is one of the lines
[06:54] <phaedrus__> judging by the size it is the one i want
[06:54] <phaedrus__> /dev/hda2            2551        3570     8193150    5  Extended
[06:54] <phaedrus__> and that is the other line
[06:54] <reka> phaedrus__: like i said, try adding the zeroes like the other lines in there
[06:55] <reka> in fstab i mean
[06:55] <unome> 0<space>0
[06:55] <phaedrus__> i added zeros.  same messsage
[06:56] <xaelius> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RootSudo isnt loading
[06:56] <reka> phaedrus__: er, try adwait's suggestion of using ext2 rather than ext3
[06:57] <unome> ew
[06:57] <reka> unome: wrong?
[06:57] <marcelcole> Hello
[06:57] <reka> xaelius: hmm, loads for me
[06:57] <phaedrus_> yeah  i added zeros in fstab and still get the message
[06:57] <marcelcole> I recently installed Ubuntu 5.04 and had to buy an external usb modem for linux, will it work?
[06:58] <phaedrus_> ok..thanks for yer help reka and adwait...guess ill go back to my old os
[06:58] <phaedrus_> lol
[06:59] <reka> phaedrus_: sudo mount -a
[06:59] <d-man> can someone compare apt-get to portage?
[07:00] <reka> d-man: what distro/s uses that?
[07:00] <d-man> gentoo
[07:01] <reka> phaedrus_: post the line you entered in fstab please
[07:01] <phaedrus_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda5,
[07:01] <morphology> portage is used by gentoo in the linux world, and by the *bsd unices
[07:01] <reka> phaedrus_: i think i know what it is
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> ah, another night for me in the ubuntu channel
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> how's everybody doing?
[07:02] <d-man> is it as good as synaptic?
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> is what?  Synaptic's pretty good
[07:02] <phaedrus_> /dev/hda5             /media/second_hdd            ext3      0       0
[07:02] <TokenBad> what platform is ubuntu? x11? sh3?
[07:02] <reka> d-man: they both use apt, so yes
[07:02] <d-man> portage
[07:02] <phaedrus_> thats the line
[07:02] <reka> phaedrus_: that's why!
[07:02] <adwait_> hello all.....
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> TokenBad: platform?  It does use X11-- xorg, to be specific
[07:03] <phaedrus_> oh
[07:03] <phaedrus_> lol
[07:03] <adwait_> somebody kick adwait......i logged off and back on but cant take my nick cuz of the ghost
[07:03] <reka> /dev/hda5             /media/second_hdd            ext3  umask=000    0       0
[07:03] <d-man> is it worth the added time to go with gentoo over ubuntu?
[07:03] <reka> try that
[07:03] <TokenBad> ok...
[07:03] <TokenBad> thanks tiglionabbit
[07:03] <tiglionabbit> adwait_: if your nick is registered, you can use the 'ghost' command to kick them.  /msg nickserv help ghost for more info
  between ext3 and umask=000
[07:03] <phaedrus_> ?
[07:03] <unome> so you're adding a HD, dmseg | less to determine the name, fdisk /dev/hdb1 (assuming), n to create new partion p for primary, 1 cylinder numbers, w to write, mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 (assuming again), now fstab: /dev/hdb1  /abc  ext3   defaults   1 1 (not zeros this time)
[07:04] <reka> phaedrus_: yes
[07:04] <unome> tune2fs -j /dev/hdb1 (assuming again)
[07:04] <reka> uniq: he's adding a partition
[07:04] <reka> someone recommended that dir_name :)
[07:04] <cdc> i just now installed gdesklets its awesome
[07:04] <reka> whoops
[07:04] <reka> unome: that was meant for you
[07:04] <unome> lol
[07:04] <cdc> but when i restart or logout of machine should i again run gdesklets
[07:05] <adwait> phaedrus_: did u try changing ext3 to auto.......?
[07:05] <cdc> how do i make it to appear on my desktop forever
[07:05] <cdc> how do i do that /
[07:05] <Silent> cdc - what's gdesklets ?
[07:05] <phaedrus_> same message reko
[07:05] <tiglionabbit> cdc: what do you want to appear?
[07:05] <reka> noooo!
[07:05] <tiglionabbit> oh.  Hmm, what is that...
[07:05] <tiglionabbit> reka: what?
[07:05] <reka> phaedrus_: try changing ext3 to auto like adwait said.
[07:06] <tiglionabbit> you guys writing an fstab entry?
[07:06] <reka> tiglionabbit: eh?  no, i'm frustrated trying to help phaedrus_ :)
[07:06] <reka> tiglionabbit: yep.  trying to at least. :)
[07:06] <tiglionabbit> if you are, you should try to just mount it first to be sure you know what you're doing
[07:06] <cdc> tiglionabbit, see i ve got gdesklets running on the desktop with that Clock CPU meters all those stuff but when i restart my machine it does not appear i have to again start it everytime but i dont want that to happen it has to start immediately once i log on to the desktop how do i do that
[07:07] <phaedrus_> same with auto adwait
[07:07] <tiglionabbit> cdc: if you want something to run when gnome starts, go to system -> prefs -> sessions
[07:07] <adwait> phaedrus_: :( ......was just a hunch....
[07:07] <tiglionabbit> let me try and help you
[07:07] <cdc> tiglionabbit, exactly i want it to run when gnome starts
[07:07] <tiglionabbit> cdc: yup
[07:07] <reka> hehe
[07:07] <Silent> cdc - just stick it in your .xsession should do it
[07:07] <tiglionabbit> reka: do they know the device name?  /dev/hd??
[07:08] <marcelcole> BLAAHAAA
[07:08] <xaelius> i have root :-D
[07:08] <cdc> whats to be done tiglionabbit
[07:08] <reka> tiglionabbit: /dev/hda5
[07:08] <tiglionabbit> cdc: well, there should be a "startup items" tab in that window.  You can add it
[07:08] <tiglionabbit> reka: well, tell him to try to `sudo mount /dev/hda5 /mnt`
[07:08] <reka> tiglionabbit: he gets this:  mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda5
[07:09] <cdc> i can add gdesklets but once gdesklets starts will it display those icons on the desktop?
[07:09] <reka> and this is his entry: /dev/hda5             /media/second_hdd            ext3  umask=000    0       0
[07:09] <tiglionabbit> bad superblock?  That doesn't sound good at all
[07:09] <marcelcole> fu
[07:09] <cdc> i dont think so might be it might help me from not executing the command gdesklets but still i need to select each and every icon and place it again on the desktop right?
[07:09] <cdc> i dont want that
[07:10] <tiglionabbit> reka: wait, why are you calling it "second hdd" if it's hda5?  That's still on the master hard drive
[07:10] <reka> tiglionabbit: i know, but some1 recommended the name.
[07:10] <reka> not me :P
[07:10] <tiglionabbit> reka: well that may be the problem.  You'll want to look at your actual partition table first
[07:10] <Silent> reka - stoopid question - have you done a mkfs ?
[07:10] <cdc> tiglionabbit, let me try it and see
[07:11] <reka> wouldn't  "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock" indicate the error is one of the three, not just a bad superblock?
[07:11] <reka> lousy linux errors
[07:11] <tiglionabbit> reka: bad option may mean you wrote the fstab entry wrong
[07:11] <tiglionabbit> reka: what happens when you just attempt to mount it from the terminal with 'mount' ?
[07:11] <reka> Silent: no i haven't, but i'm not the one with the problem :)
[07:12] <reka> i'm not the one with the problem!
[07:12] <Silent> ok, whose disk are we talking about? and they should try fsck
[07:12] <reka> phaedrus_: try out tiglionabbit's suggestion
[07:12] <Silent> phaedrus_, you did mkfs did you not?
[07:12] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus_: type this at the terminal: "sudo mount /dev/hda5 /mnt" if your /mnt directory is empty
[07:12] <duken> what's packet gui for clamav?
[07:13] <adwait> tiglionabbbit: thts whn he gets the errors
[07:13] <weasel__> can i get write-access to an NTFS partition from linux?
[07:13] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus_: say this:  "sudo fdisk -l"
[07:13] <adwait> it says http://www.preempted.net/forums.php?m=posts&q=467&n=last here........tht those errors could because  of RAID or something
[07:13] <tiglionabbit> what devices does it list?
[07:13] <phaedrus_> ok
[07:13] <reka> phaedrus_: <whisper> i bet you don't get as great support as this with your old OS </whisper>
[07:13] <Silent> weasel__,  yes, but it's very alpha - ie not recommended
[07:13] <weasel__> ah, ok. thanks.
[07:13] <adwait> lol
[07:14] <tiglionabbit> weasel__: it's under development, but nobody cares.  I wouldn't hold your breath.  Current support for it sucks
[07:14] <Silent> tiglionabbit, it's not that nobody cares, it's that the NTFS file system is not well understood & quite complex, apparently
[07:15] <reka> phaedrus_: i've got it..
[07:15] <reka> tiglionabbit: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/364
[07:15] <tiglionabbit> hmm, so it is hda5
[07:15] <Silent> phaedrus_, post the output of this "sudo fsck /dev/hda5"
[07:15] <phaedrus_> sudo mount /dev/hda5 /mnt   i did this
[07:15] <BeefTube> installed hoary, Grub failed detecting the MBR (was looking for hd0).. instaled LILO, and Ubuntu works great.. but has no option to boot back into windoze 0_o TIA for any help
[07:15] <rafter> what is a good repository for the southeast US?
[07:16] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus_: was it successful?
[07:16] <phaedrus_> what was suppose to happen?
[07:16] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus_: look in your /mnt directory
[07:16] <xaelius> :-\
[07:16] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus_: if there are any files on that partition, they should be there now
[07:16] <phaedrus_> sudo fsck /dev/hda5   this said it was already mounted
[07:16] <xaelius> tells me no rot logins allowed
[07:17] <Silent> phaedrus_, /dev/hda5 should now show up under a 'df' or 'ls /mnt'
[07:17] <reka> rafter: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38 will work fine.  you could change it to use the us mirrors if you really want to.
[07:17] <rafter> beef ur read up onlilo scsi
[07:17] <unome> so it's mounted!
[07:17] <gibbie> I'm lazy and don't feel like searching... what's a good *.pdf viewing program that doesn't suck as much as xpdf?  thanks
[07:17] <Silent> phaedrus_, then you're in business - you'll see a new file system listed with a 'df'
[07:17] <adwait> yaah
[07:17] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus_: okay, that means you just forgot to specify options in your fstab entry, if that worked properly
[07:17] <adwait> a good question would be.,...where?
[07:17] <rafter> reka tanx
[07:17] <unome> df -h
[07:17] <unome> for human =)
[07:18] <reka> hehe
[07:18] <phaedrus_> dude...sweeet
[07:18] <BeefTube> is it possible to un-ubuntu my computer so I can boot into windows?
[07:18] <phaedrus_> it werked
[07:18] <Silent> gibbie, there's a tool - gpdf - works under gnome
[07:18] <phaedrus_> how do i fix the fstab?
[07:18] <agwibowo> hello
[07:18] <adwait> (which i helped u screw up) :p
[07:18] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus_: your fstab entry should look like this:   /dev/hda5   /themountpoint   ext3   defaults   0   0       (but with tabs instead of spaces)
[07:19] <phaedrus_> what is /themountpoint  ?
[07:19] <tiglionabbit> put the mount point you want to use
[07:19] <phaedrus_> ok
[07:19] <reka> adwait: me too
[07:19] <tiglionabbit> any empty directory will do
[07:19] <reka> :)
[07:19] <Silent> BeefTube, I believe 'fdisk /mbr' from a windows CD should restore the windows MBR
[07:19] <phaedrus_> and icon appear on the desktop?
[07:19] <adwait> :)
[07:19] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus_: probably no
[07:19] <phaedrus_> lol
[07:19] <rafter> beef read man lilo du u use a scsi hard drive
[07:19] <BeefTube> silent thanks :)
[07:19] <Silent> BeefTube, be sure to do this from the install CD
[07:19] <BeefTube> ok
[07:19] <phaedrus_> when i plug in my usb hd  an icon appears on desktop
[07:19] <Silent> BeefTube, and then figure out how to get Grub installed - LILO blows
[07:20] <agwibowo> i've just installed hoary on my box.... but during the installation, i forgot to plug off the headphone from the front casing (it's those casing with headphone output in front and speaker output in back).... now, ubuntu refuses to output any sound from the speaker (i.e. the sound only comes out from the headphone). What should i do?
[07:20] <BeefTube> is there a way to do it from apt?
[07:20] <tiglionabbit> phaedrus_: but you will be able to access the partition from the directory you mount it to, so if you mount it to /home/yourname/Dekstop/something and make that folder on your desktop, then yeah, it'll be there..  heh
[07:20] <BeefTube> :)
[07:20] <gibbie> anyone know how to open another workspace from the command line (using XFCE4 if it matters)  I'm not using a taskbar.
[07:20] <rafter> lol silent
[07:20] <phaedrus_> wow  thanks a lot for the help....
[07:20] <tiglionabbit> gibbie: workspace ?
[07:20] <tiglionabbit> you're welcome
[07:20] <phaedrus_> i really really appreciate it
[07:21] <phaedrus_> still a little weary of ubuntu since i never had probs with mepis
[07:21] <phaedrus_> : )
[07:21] <reka> phaedrus_, tiglionabbit : so what was wrong?
[07:21] <gibbie> normally the bottom taskbar gives you options to have multiple workspaces to sort of expand your desktop...I want to do that without the taksbar
[07:21] <rafter> BeefTube is ur hd an IDE or SCSI
[07:21] <reka> gibbie: ctrl+alt+left/right ?
[07:21] <BeefTube> IDE
[07:21] <adwait> http://www.loculus.nl/xfce/documentation/docs-4.2/xfwm4.html#wm-windows
[07:22] <tiglionabbit> reka: I think he forgot to say "defaults" in the options column in fstab
[07:22] <reka> tiglionabbit: ah
[07:22] <gibbie> Excellent!  thanks
[07:22] <adwait> np
[07:22] <reka> gibbie: although if you're a CL freak, you should read up on screen
[07:22] <tiglionabbit> reka: just had to make sure it was that, and not that the partition didn't exist or something =P
[07:22] <agwibowo> anyone can help me?
[07:22] <tiglionabbit> agwibowo: ask away
[07:22] <gibbie> i'll check it
[07:22] <agwibowo> i've just installed hoary on my box.... but during the installation, i forgot to plug off the headphone from the front casing (it's those casing with headphone output in front and speaker output in back).... now, ubuntu refuses to output any sound from the speaker (i.e. the sound only comes out from the headphone). What should i do?
[07:23] <tiglionabbit> oh
[07:23] <rafter> BeefTube what happened during the install grub?
[07:23] <Djibouti> Hi
[07:23] <Silent> agwibowo, dude - do you have the volume turned up?
[07:23] <adwait> agwibowo: thts pretty odd.......cuz as far is linux is concerned...it is sendin g the output to the sound card,beyond that its the soundcards business, right?
[07:23] <agwibowo> i already turn it up to the loudest volume
[07:24] <tiglionabbit> hmm, is there a command to re-probe for hardware?
[07:24] <tiglionabbit> oh I know
[07:24] <tiglionabbit> the device manager
[07:24] <BeefTube> it slapped me down like a little girl, and told me that hd0 was not found... fatal error... then I got put back into a menu where i could select LILO or grub
[07:24] <tiglionabbit> agwibowo: try using system -> admin -> device manager
[07:24] <tiglionabbit> tell me if that fixes it
[07:24] <agwibowo> tiglionabbit: what should i do there?
[07:25] <Silent> BeefTube, how many hard drives do u have?
[07:25] <tiglionabbit> no wait
[07:25] <BeefTube> 1
[07:25] <tiglionabbit> where is that thing I'm looking for
[07:25] <vinux> man I want to try brezzy out
[07:25] <Juhaz> tiglionabbit, that doesn't do anything, it just lists your things
[07:25] <Silent> BeefTube, have you set the jumpers on the drive to master? and anything else on the same ide to slave?
[07:25] <tiglionabbit> Juhaz: I know, I said the wrong thing.  There's something else that configures your sound hardware and such, where is it?
[07:25] <rafter> BeefTube did u anserw put on mbr or other
[07:26] <BeefTube> on MBR
[07:26] <tiglionabbit> oh, applications -> system tools -> Ubuntu Device Database
[07:26] <tiglionabbit> that's what I meant to say
[07:26] <reka> isn't that just for the developers reference of what hardware works?
[07:26] <rafter> BeefTube anser silent ?
[07:26] <BeefTube> silent, I only have a CDRW and a DVD both set to slave
[07:27] <tiglionabbit> reka: oh, maybe.   heh sorry...
[07:27] <agwibowo> errr.. stilll silent.....
[07:27] <adwait> heh
[07:27] <unome> agwibowo: check your mixer
[07:27] <unome> btw what's gnome's mixer?
[07:27] <agwibowo> unome: all to the fullest volume
[07:27] <Juhaz> gnome-volume-control
[07:27] <unome> kmix is what I use in KDE
[07:28] <Silent> BeefTube, this isn't an Acer perchance?
[07:28] <rafter> BeefTube did u wire the cdr and dvd
[07:28] <tiglionabbit> agwibowo: if you kill esd, does it work?
[07:28] <agwibowo> there's no esd running....
[07:29] <Juhaz> agwibowo, change the mixer device to alsa if it's OSS, and add all the zillion ofther controls from preferences
[07:29] <BeefTube> silent , nope.. it is a freinkenstein system I made from a gateway and a dell
[07:29] <BeefTube> rafter.. yup 8)
[07:29] <rafter> BeefTube lol
[07:29] <__learner__> do you have any tip for making ubuntu faster, I mean on an ald pc. My friend has ubuntu on hsi 700mhz pc 128 Dimm RAM, and performance is bad. Any tip?
[07:29] <reka> adwait, tiglionabbit : i'm off. cya later
[07:30] <unome> nite reka
[07:30] <adwait> reka: cya
[07:30] <reka> __learner__: you could run a more lightweight WM
[07:30] <agwibowo> JuHaz: not sure how to do that....
[07:30] <tiglionabbit> reka: gbye then
[07:30] <reka> like xfce or fluxbox
[07:30] <optendo_> first time install, running pretty nice!
[07:30] <reka> unome: whoops, you too. :)
[07:30] <adwait> _learner_: and check for any unnecessary services and turn them off
[07:31] <__learner__> I tried instyalling fluxbox from sinaptic, but I couldnt manage to use it. there are no icons, no wallpaper, nothing.
[07:31] <reka> optendo_: 1st linux distro?
[07:31] <unome> optendo_: that's what I'm talking about!
[07:31] <tiglionabbit> __learner__: You need to run a script to generate them.  Ask the people of #fluxbox
[07:31] <Silent> BeefTube, did you run 'grub-install' ?
[07:31] <BeefTube> hmmm.... synaptic tells me that GRUB is already installed... should I uninstall, and reinstall it from synaptic or from APT on commandline?
[07:31] <optendo_> yah, I played with linux before but It always ended quick, got off during the summer so I heard ubuntu was a good starting place so I installed and running nice
[07:31] <tiglionabbit> BeefTube: omg why would you do that?
[07:32] <BeefTube> nope, I have not silent
[07:32] <reka> optendo_: well, you chose a good one. :)  hope you stick with it.
[07:32] <rafter> BeefTube u have 1 ide hd as master make the cdrw a master and the dvd slave (on one cable) the end cable is the master the middle connection will be the slave
[07:32] <Silent> BeefTube, well that's the one you want...
[07:32] <__learner__> tx.
[07:32] <BeefTube> Cool thank you :)
[07:32] <optendo_> reka: yah I am hoping lol. I want to learn command line mostly and get efficietnt with that
[07:32] <BeefTube> as root?
[07:33] <BeefTube> errr umm sudo I mean
[07:33] <optendo_> reka: right now I am running off vmware, and it installed with no problem
[07:33] <Juhaz> agwibowo, they're in the mixer apps menus
[07:33] <Silent> BeefTube, yes, as root
[07:33] <adwait> sudo is irritating......i just use the root terminal
[07:33] <tiglionabbit> optendo_: http://nick-zap.home.comcast.net/stuff/unix.pdf http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/ `vimtutor` `man` `info`
[07:34] <tiglionabbit> adwait: you could say `sudo su` or `sudo -s` or `sudo -i`
[07:34] <optendo_> tiglionabbit: I will check it out thanks
[07:34] <unome> UBUNTU = Unlike Before, linUx Now is Totally Usable (not really what the african word Ubuntu means but what the heck!)
[07:34] <adwait> ubuntu=humanity
[07:34] <Silent> lol unome
[07:34] <optendo_> ^lol
[07:34] <xaelius> i cant get it to let me login as root
[07:34] <tiglionabbit> xaelius: that is intentional
[07:34] <xaelius> tells me root logins are not allowed
[07:34] <unome> isnt that a great motto?
[07:35] <adwait> xaelius: if u want u can override
[07:35] <adwait> change password with passwd
[07:35] <optendo_> I am guess the default root pass is nothing, am I right?
[07:35] <xaelius> that is what I am trying to do
[07:35] <tiglionabbit> xaelius: is is unsafe to run X as root.  You can change the setting in system -> admin -> login screen setup
[07:35] <adwait> change preference in GDM manager to let root login from FUI
[07:35] <rafter> Silent will lilo have to be removed 1st
[07:35] <adwait> *GUI
[07:35] <Jimbob> xaelius: "sudo -i"
[07:35] <Silent> xaelius, reboot - at the grub prompt select the 2nd option to boot single user - then change the root pw
[07:35] <Jimbob> Silent: You don't need to do that.
[07:35] <Silent> rafter, nope, Grub will overwrite the MBR
[07:35] <xaelius> i already changed the root password following the instrustions on the wiki
[07:36] <tiglionabbit> why are we advising xaelius on how to login as root?  Why not just tell him he's wrong and should live with the ubuntu way of doing things?
[07:36] <Silent> heh
[07:36] <tiglionabbit> well I'll do it then
[07:36] <tiglionabbit> xaelius: you are wrong.  Use sudo instead.
[07:36] <adwait> lol
[07:36] <rafter> eww silent
[07:36] <Silent> wassup rafter?
[07:36] <adwait> xaelius: u can use the root terminal emulator from applications>sys tem tools
[07:37] <Silent> BeefTube, if grub-install won't work for you - check the options in /boot/grub/menu.lst & device.map
[07:37] <xaelius> i am having no luck editing and saving fstab, tells me i do not have privs
[07:37] <BeefTube> ok I will try that thanks :)
[07:37] <tiglionabbit> xaelius: if there are things you must run as root, you can create a launcher for them and put `gksudo` before the command so it gives a graphical password entry window before running the program
[07:37] <rafter> Silent just the thought of multibe overwrites on the mbr scares me
[07:37] <adwait> xaelius: use sudo....or use the root terminal
[07:38] <johntramp> hey I am trying to set up an internet adsl modem
[07:38] <Silent> xaelius, check the perms on the file - fstab is writable only be root
[07:38] <tiglionabbit> xaelius: open a terminal, and type `sudo` and then the command to open your editor, such as `sudo gedit`
[07:38] <adwait> johntramp: and.....?
[07:38] <johntramp> I have done this like in the ubuntu guide
[07:38] <johntramp> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#rp-pppoe
[07:38] <johntramp> but when I try connect it said something like no conection present
[07:38] <Silent> rafter, don't sweat it - but make sure you have a repair CD before you do it that had Grub on - if you have probs, you can still boot the CD
[07:39] <Silent> rafter, I use the RIP repair disk for this
[07:39] <johntramp> adwait: do you have an adsl modem?
[07:39] <adwait> johntramp: yes
[07:39] <adwait> johntramp: but it automatically logs on on hardware side itself......so my net is on even b4  the Os gets  loaded
[07:40] <optendo_> dumb question but where can I change my resolution
[07:40] <johntramp> adwait: so it is a good quality modem then
[07:40] <adwait> hey is the site ubuntuguide slow or is it my connection ? :S other sites load fine...
[07:40] <adwait> johntramp: lol DSL 502T D link
[07:40] <optendo_> nm found it
[07:40] <adwait> ok.......so did u use pppoeconf?
[07:41] <johntramp> :S  ok
[07:41] <johntramp> adwait: no what is that
[07:41] <adwait> used to setup a pppoe connection
[07:41] <BeefTube> is cedga part of hoary? I wanna play some games 8)
[07:41] <adwait> try it......sudo pppoeconf.....its a wizard so just go along with it
[07:41] <optendo_> does ubunut support widescreen resolution???
[07:41] <johntramp> i just used the thing in the system menu like it says on the ubuntu guide
[07:41] <johntramp> Applications -> System Tools -> RP-PPPoE
[07:42] <johntramp> is that pppoeconf?
[07:42] <IceDC571> cedega is warez. lol
[07:42] <robitaille> BeefTube:  you will have to get cedega from their web site; I don't think it is free
[07:42] <IceDC571> its stolen code :(
[07:42] <BeefTube> oh
[07:42] <johntramp> lol is it IceDC571
[07:42] <BeefTube> I thought we could compile it from source or something....
[07:43] <adwait> johntramp: :S....i havnt got such a thing in my menu
[07:43] <johntramp> oh
[07:43] <adwait> i guess u must hv installed rp-pppoe
[07:43] <robitaille> BeefTube: yes you can compile it; It's not really obvious to do; ( tried it once, and it didn't work; compiler errors)
[07:43] <johntramp> I just did this
[07:43] <adwait> anyway.....i dont think thts the same thing....try pppoeconf
[07:43] <johntramp> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#rp-pppoe
[07:43] <BeefTube> ok thanks :)
[07:43] <adwait> johntramp: the site just wont open on my end......:S
[07:43] <johntramp> oh
[07:43] <agwibowo> grrr... this is annoying.... i can't listen using my speaker... have to use the headphone
[07:43] <s0n1cm0nk3y> anybody know of a good way to get all my files up for a backup
[07:44] <megabyte405> optendo_, if you put it in your xorg.conf
[07:44] <s0n1cm0nk3y> i dont really care about my mbr, just something to backup
[07:44] <adwait> says connecting to.......and then nothing :p
[07:44] <rafter> BeefTube u got grub installed yet
[07:44] <johntramp> hey does adsl connection show up as eth?
[07:44] <BeefTube> nope
[07:44] <adwait> johntramp: anyway...just try the pppoeconf wizard..it automatically looks for access concentrators and configure everything
[07:44] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: you probably don't want to back up everything, just your own data, right?
[07:44] <johntramp> ok adwait i will do that
[07:45] <rafter> BeefTube y
[07:45] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: and if you've been a good linux user, they should all be in /home/$user/, right?  So...
[07:45] <s0n1cm0nk3y> yeah
[07:45] <BeefTube> think i am going to do a quick kanotix install to fix my MBR.. i got some work to do tonight.. tomarrow i will learn GRUB
[07:45] <s0n1cm0nk3y> but im talking about my system
[07:45] <optendo_> megbyte405: thanks
[07:45] <s0n1cm0nk3y> say a bad install screws up
[07:45] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: that shouldn't happen
[07:45] <s0n1cm0nk3y> i want a way to just extract back to normal
[07:45] <tiglionabbit> this isn't windows
[07:46] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: install things from apt, remove things by apt, and you're safe from that ever happening
[07:46] <BeefTube> thanks for the help.. I am going to try d-loading Kubuntu and see if it works :)
[07:46] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: ive had it happen before
[07:46] <tiglionabbit> on ubuntu?
[07:46] <tiglionabbit> what did you do?
[07:46] <s0n1cm0nk3y> hmmm
[07:46] <s0n1cm0nk3y> guess so
[07:46] <johntramp> adwait: it said that the access concentrators not found
[07:46] <rafter> BeefTube fix ur hardware connections 1st
[07:46] <robitaille> tiglionabbit:  problems happen; even in linux ( hard disk problem then  your files are gone...)
[07:46] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: idk, thinks just started lagging after like a week
[07:46] <s0n1cm0nk3y> hadnt installed anything new
[07:46] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: sounds more like windows to me.
[07:46] <tiglionabbit> =p
[07:47] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: lol, nah
[07:47] <robitaille> s0n1cm0nk3y:  mondo is a backup software available in universe.   it can backup all your files to CD/DVD (but no gui interface...)
[07:47] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: i know its not the hardware to
[07:47] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: anyway, you can generally troubleshoot without trashing everything
[07:47] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: and the only ties it has to windows is my ntfs 200gb
[07:47] <adwait> johntramp: any news?
[07:47] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: looking for a basic command
[07:47] <rafter> firefox has chatzilla now/
[07:47] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: like tar
[07:47] <adwait> rafter: yeah.......i am using tht
[07:47] <johntramp> adwait: it doesnt seem to be workin
[07:48] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: ive tried it, but for some reason it always gets to the folder with my tar in it
[07:48] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: when it was slow, did you run 'top' to find out what was hogging your ram?
[07:48] <s0n1cm0nk3y> trying to tar the tar
[07:48] <adwait> johntramp: did it find an access concentrator?
[07:48] <tiglionabbit> lol
[07:48] <s0n1cm0nk3y> ......
[07:48] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: didnt even know about that
[07:48] <johntramp> adwait: no :(
[07:48] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: plz go on
[07:48] <robitaille> s0n1cm0nk3y: use the --exclude option in tar to exclude the file you are tarring to.
[07:48] <adwait> johntramp: hmm..wht do u do in windows (if using dual boot) to connect?
[07:48] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: well, just look at your system monitor and see what is hogging your cpu cycles.  There's a gui one in apps -> system tools -> system monitor
[07:49] <s0n1cm0nk3y> guis are nice
[07:49] <s0n1cm0nk3y> but a bit over rated to me
[07:49] <s0n1cm0nk3y> i dont mind console at all
[07:49] <s0n1cm0nk3y> especially with fdisk or cfdisk
[07:49] <rafter> xchat looks and acts better than chatzilla though
[07:49] <s0n1cm0nk3y> ill takes those over gparted any day
[07:49] <adwait> rafter: it does........but mine just doesnt like to connect to the servers :S
[07:49] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: then run `top`.  It will list processes, in order of resource hogging, bigger ones on top
[07:49] <johntramp> adwait: there is no problem getting it going in windows
[07:49] <s0n1cm0nk3y> is just the command?
[07:50] <s0n1cm0nk3y> just top?
[07:50] <tiglionabbit> yep
[07:50] <adwait> johntramp: yes.but wht do u do in windows? do u start up and the connections is right there? or do u connect using some software?
[07:50] <s0n1cm0nk3y> wow
[07:50] <s0n1cm0nk3y> thats cool
[07:50] <s0n1cm0nk3y> does it auto update?
[07:50] <s0n1cm0nk3y> or is it static?
[07:50] <rafter> adwait a fw or router conf problem
[07:50] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: updates
[07:51] <s0n1cm0nk3y> damn thats cool
[07:51] <s0n1cm0nk3y> wish i would have know about that
[07:51] <s0n1cm0nk3y> thanks man
[07:51] <s0n1cm0nk3y> thatll really help when i get to trudging
[07:51] <johntramp> adwait: oh it needs to be told to connect
[07:51] <optendo_> why wont it let me edit the xorg.conf files??
[07:51] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: where did you learn about top
[07:51] <adwait> rafter: but chatzilla works, thats wht is confusing
[07:51] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: yep.  And make sure you know about `ps` and `kill` as well, hehe
[07:51] <s0n1cm0nk3y> tiglionabbit: any book or site i can check out
[07:51] <s0n1cm0nk3y> kill is great
[07:51] <s0n1cm0nk3y> something wrong in gnome
[07:51] <adwait> johntramp: using wht? a special software? or windows dial up networking?
[07:51] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: uh, unix manual.  http://nick-zap.home.comcast.net/stuff/unix.pdf
[07:52] <s0n1cm0nk3y> killall gnome-panel
[07:52] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: there is a gui killing applet you can add to your gnome panel
[07:52] <tiglionabbit> it's quite fun
[07:52] <rafter> chatzilla use port 80 thats y
[07:52] <s0n1cm0nk3y> im good with stuff built into linux and gnome
[07:52] <adwait> ooh
[07:52] <s0n1cm0nk3y> less error margin
[07:52] <s0n1cm0nk3y> but thnx
[07:52] <adwait> and irc uses 6667
[07:53] <adwait> rafter: but the problem is, it was working fine till yesterday....and since yesterday i havent changed and router config.....
[07:53] <optendo_> why can't I edit the xorg.conf file...?
[07:53] <s0n1cm0nk3y> top is sweet
[07:53] <johntramp> adwait: it isn't actually my computer, but he sais it is windows dial up networking
[07:53] <adwait> no wait......i added rules to make smtp work (which it doesnt all the same)
[07:53] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: no, it's already available.  Just right-click on your panels and select "add to panel".  It's called force kill or something
[07:53] <s0n1cm0nk3y> i feel like god of my linux
[07:53] <s0n1cm0nk3y> MUWAHAHAHAHAH
[07:53] <agwibowo> hello.... it's the speaker problem again... i notice that during start up... there is a little sound coming out from my speaker... does it suppose to mean anything? (the speaker does not work in ubuntu, only the headphone works)
[07:53] <s0n1cm0nk3y> oh
[07:53] <s0n1cm0nk3y> cool
[07:54] <adwait> johntramp: hmm.....thn it is definitrly pppoe....but then pppoeconf should work :S....are all the connections fine?
[07:54] <s0n1cm0nk3y> sorry, getting big headed
[07:54] <s0n1cm0nk3y> ill have to read that unix pdf ya sent me
[07:54] <tiglionabbit> ah, "force quit"
[07:54] <s0n1cm0nk3y> sounds like fun
[07:54] <s0n1cm0nk3y> lol
[07:54] <s0n1cm0nk3y> force quit is nice
[07:54] <s0n1cm0nk3y> mplayer acts gay sometimes
[07:54] <s0n1cm0nk3y> so i have to use it
[07:54] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: look at the rute book too.  It's on synaptic
[07:54] <rafter> adwait i had to try twice for xchat to connect must b busy on a friday nite
[07:54] <s0n1cm0nk3y> rute
[07:54] <s0n1cm0nk3y> or root?
[07:55] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: yep.  That's why I use vlc instead most of the time.  Yes rute
[07:55] <johntramp> adwait: when it reboots it will connect fine in windows
[07:55] <s0n1cm0nk3y> yeah, i use totem
[07:55] <s0n1cm0nk3y> me likey
[07:55] <optendo_> adwait: can you tell me why I can not edit my xorg.conf file?
[07:55] <johntramp> adwait: so it isnt a connection problem
[07:55] <adwait> optendo_:probably because u dont have permissions
[07:55] <adwait> johntramp: hmm....
[07:55] <megabyte405> optendo_:  do a "sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf" in a terminal
[07:55] <s0n1cm0nk3y> sweet
[07:56] <s0n1cm0nk3y> does it save somewhere, or do you open it like a prog?
[07:56] <megabyte405> optendo_:  then once you have it right, save, then go "ctrl-alt-backspace" to restart Xorg
[07:56] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: dpkg -L it to find out where it is, and then `firefox` it
[07:56] <s0n1cm0nk3y> brb, ill check the respond when i return
[07:56] <johntramp> adwait: would it be possible that a module is not loaded properly or something
[07:56] <s0n1cm0nk3y> um ok
[07:57] <adwait> johntramp: u need pppoe for the connection.......and pppoeconf always looks for that b4 starting up, so if it is starting all u require is loaded up
[07:57] <johntramp> adwait: when pppoeconf is run it asks if all the ethernet devices are listed
[07:57] <adwait> johntramp: and are they?
[07:57] <rafter> s0n1cm0nk3y totem wont play a dvd for me
[07:57] <johntramp> adwait: and there is only eth0
[07:57] <adwait> johntramp: could u brief tiglionabbit abt ur problem, maybe he can help
[07:57] <agwibowo> how can i force ubuntu to reprobe all the hardware?
[07:58] <johntramp> tiglionabbit: I cant get ppp adsl going ;)
[07:58] <s0n1cm0nk3y> nice command
[07:58] <s0n1cm0nk3y> me likey
[07:58] <adwait> johntramp: well if theres only 1 ethernet card, then thts fine......the router is connected to the LAN port right? or the USB port?
[07:58] <tiglionabbit> oh, dsl, uh, no idea, sorry, I've only used ethernet and wireless
[07:58] <megabyte405> rafter:  make sure you install libdvdcss2 from an alternate source, then follow ubuntuguide.org's instructions for "multimedia codecs"
[07:58] <johntramp> tiglionabbit: ok
[07:58] <megabyte405> agwibowo:  it does every time you boot
[07:58] <Frafra> hi all
[07:59] <johntramp> adwait: it is a pci modem
[07:59] <Silent> tiglionabbit, dsl uses pppoe to connect - so you only need a working ethernet port, usually eth0
[07:59] <tiglionabbit> hello Frafra
[07:59] <s0n1cm0nk3y> whats the dsl question?
[07:59] <tiglionabbit> so is dsl handled the same way as ethernet lans?
[07:59] <rafter> megabyte405 thanx
[07:59] <adwait> johntramp: ooh.....hmm not much experience with a modem :p
[07:59] <nalioth> megabyte405: please see #3 here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[07:59] <Silent> johntramp, is the PCI modem Linux supported? there might not even be drivers...
[07:59] <agwibowo> my ubuntu output the sound from wrong output port ... :(
[07:59] <adwait> sonicmonkey: he cant get a ppp adsl connection up
[07:59] <johntramp> s0n1cm0nk3y: hmm   that is my problem too , i have always used a router
[08:00] <Frafra> gcc -v | awk '{if ($1=="gcc) print "gcc version "$3}' doesn't work. Why?
[08:00] <nalioth> rafter: mind the ubuntuguide, it bites
[08:00] <johntramp> Silent: how can I tell
[08:00] <agwibowo> instead from the speaker output port, it outputs from the headphone.. and i dunno how to fix it
[08:00] <tiglionabbit> agwibowo: unplug the headphones and restart?  (<-- windows answer that might work)
[08:00] <agwibowo> tiglionabbit : tried it, it doesnt work
[08:00] <tiglionabbit> I've used windows too much in my past
[08:01] <rafter> nalioth just insalled yesterday
[08:01] <Silent> there's hardware docs somewhere...
[08:01] <adwait> i am confused.........if it is using PPPOE....shouldnt a LAN card be involved?
[08:01] <adwait> PPP over ETHERNET
[08:01] <robitaille> Frafra: gcc -v | awk '{if ($1=="gcc") print "gcc version "$3}'
[08:01] <Silent> adwait, no, johntramp is using a PCI DSL modem, so no LAN card in this case
[08:01] <robitaille> Frafra:  you had a missing quote in the middle beside "gcc"
[08:02] <adwait> hmm..i thought when it said ethernet, there has to be a lan card
[08:02] <megabyte405> nalioth:  ahh, sorry.
[08:02] <agwibowo> bloody stupid... do i have to reinstall ubuntu because of this stupid headphone problem.....
[08:02] <rafter> nalioth been reading logs today taking a break
[08:02] <Frafra> robitaille: thanks :)
[08:02] <nalioth> rafter: i'd recommend using https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:03] <adwait> agwibowo: i really doubt thts the problem....
[08:03] <rafter> nalioth thanx
[08:03] <s0n1cm0nk3y> ouch
[08:04] <s0n1cm0nk3y> sorry cant help
[08:04] <johntramp> Silent: so am I not using PPPoE?   is it PPPoA or something?
[08:04] <s0n1cm0nk3y> when it comes to linux im still a n00b
[08:04] <s0n1cm0nk3y> but getting the connection to work, or fixing errors on routers im pretty good
[08:04] <agwibowo> hmmm i guess thats the only solution... no one here knows the answer... :(
[08:05] <s0n1cm0nk3y> agwibowo
[08:05] <johntramp> agwibowo: you shouldnt have to reinstall
[08:05] <unome> agwibowo: let me ask you a stupid question, your speakers and headset both were working fine under doze?
[08:05] <s0n1cm0nk3y> agwibowo: no shouldnt be a problem
[08:05] <rafter> s0n1cm0nk3y u still cant connect thew xchat :(
[08:05] <s0n1cm0nk3y> ?
[08:05] <tiglionabbit> agwibowo: your best bet would be to post something on http://ubuntuforums.org and wait for a response
[08:05] <s0n1cm0nk3y> rafter: im in xchat
[08:05] <adwait> johntramp: it is PPPoA by definition
[08:05] <s0n1cm0nk3y> ...?
[08:05] <johntramp> ok thanks adwait
[08:06] <agwibowo> unome: yes
[08:06] <rafter> s0n1cm0nk3y k wrong coversation sorry
[08:06] <s0n1cm0nk3y> rafter: lol no worries
[08:06] <johntramp> adwait: should pppoa be very easy to set up usually?  it looks like they have binary drivers on the manufactures webpage
[08:06] <agwibowo> unome: the only stupid mistake of mine was to plug in the headphone during the installation.... and now ubuntu only wants to output the sound from that port
[08:06] <s0n1cm0nk3y> agwibowo: whats your isp?
[08:06] <unome> agwibowo: ok, great. Now, if you move your speakers plug to the front were the headset was pluged, do they work?
[08:07] <tiglionabbit> unome may be on to something here
[08:07] <agwibowo> s0n1cm0nk3y: my isp???? what does the internet service provider have to do with this problem????
[08:07] <adwait> johntramp: sorry i gtg.ill be back in a bit
[08:07] <freddy_> hello ppl
[08:07] <agwibowo> unome: yes
[08:07] <s0n1cm0nk3y> agwibowo: ive heard issues with certain providers, and their really awkward connection specifications
[08:08] <freddy_> ok i have my wireless card pcmcia in my laptop, i can see it in the device manager....but how can i go about using it? what should i do? thanks.
[08:08] <tiglionabbit> s0n1cm0nk3y: I thought agwibowo's problem was with his sound, not his internet connection
[08:08] <s0n1cm0nk3y> agwibowo: when i had bellsouth dsl, knoppix didnt even get net up
[08:08] <s0n1cm0nk3y> .........
[08:08] <s0n1cm0nk3y> oh.......
[08:08] <s0n1cm0nk3y> ummm
[08:08] <s0n1cm0nk3y> than who was the guy who had trouble with dsl?
[08:08] <tiglionabbit> that was johntramp
[08:08] <s0n1cm0nk3y> oh
[08:08] <s0n1cm0nk3y> heheh
[08:09] <s0n1cm0nk3y> sorry
[08:09] <s0n1cm0nk3y> temporary retardation
[08:09] <freddy_> ok i have my wireless card pcmcia in my laptop, i can see it in the device manager....but how can i go about using it? what should i do? thanks.
[08:09] <rika> hi guy!!
[08:09] <s0n1cm0nk3y> ill just remain quiet, to recover from the retardation
[08:09] <agwibowo> unome: it works when i plug in the speaker to front... but then there would be cable lying around.... not nice.... :(
[08:09] <rika> how's to enable boot splash?
[08:09] <tiglionabbit> freddy_: well first off, does the ugly system -> admin -> networking gui see it?
[08:09] <agwibowo> also, how do i know if my ati radeon acceleration works?
[08:09] <Silent> johntramp, best bet to see if your modem is supported would be to check http://www.linmodems.org/
[08:10] <Fudge> hi
[08:10] <tiglionabbit> agwibowo: you may want to study support for your sound card.  Google around, and post to ubuntuforums.org
[08:10] <Silent> agwibowo, run fgl_glxgears if you get 600 fps, accn works, 200fps then not
[08:10] <freddy_> tiglionabbit damn :(
[08:11] <rika> can I enable boot splash on ubuntu?
[08:11] <agwibowo> it works in the past before i format my comp... but then at that time i installed ubuntu warty, and upgrade to hoary using apt-get
[08:11] <tiglionabbit> Silent: what is that?
[08:11] <unome> agwibowo: sudo lshw and check what you have under multimedia
[08:11] <freddy_> tiglionabbit is not there...just modem and ethernet :(
[08:12] <tiglionabbit> rika: there is something in ubuntuforums.org under the beautifying and tweaking hoary section
[08:12] <tiglionabbit> rika: it's just a matter of editing your /boot/grub/menu.lst file and adding the pictures to grub's directory
[08:12] <agwibowo> unome: where can i post it?
[08:13] <Silent> tiglionabbit, it's a gl benchmark
[08:13] <unome> nalioth what's that flood page again please?
[08:13] <Fudge> hi
[08:13] <thepages3> hello
[08:13] <tiglionabbit> Silent: I don't seem to have that command..
[08:14] <Fudge> do u stand in line here or just wait to  ask a questino plz
[08:14] <rika> tiglionabbit, for grub menu is no problem, but I want splash image rather than verbose messege on startup
[08:14] <agwibowo> hmmm fgl_glxgears gives me error
[08:14] <Silent> cos u don't have the fglrx packages installed - you need them for ati h/w support
[08:14] <nalioth> unome: flood page?
[08:14] <agwibowo> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:14] <agwibowo> X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
[08:14] <agwibowo> i have installed it
[08:14] <nalioth> Fudge: just ask
[08:14] <unome> agwibowo: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:14] <robitaille> rika: I don't think you can in Ubuntu.  At least not by default.
[08:15] <Fudge> myself and thenuke are trying to setup a ubuntu machine as a gateway for dsl
[08:15] <tiglionabbit> rika: you add a reference to the image in the menu.lst file.  Search the ubuntuforums under the hoary 5.04 customization section
[08:15] <Fudge> thepages3 i mean
[08:15] <unome> nalioth got it thanks
[08:15] <nalioth> unome we don't use #flood anymore?
[08:15] <tiglionabbit> robitaille: you can
[08:15] <unome> nalioth I was asking you about http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:15] <Silent> agwibowo, have you installed fglrx ???
[08:15] <freddy_> tiglionabbit any tip?
[08:15] <d4rksh4de> AMD 2800+   that means 2.8 GHz ?
[08:16] <rika> tiglionabbit, ok i'm there anyway :)
[08:16] <agwibowo> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/365
[08:16] <unome> agwibowo: thanks
[08:16] <thepages3> I am trying to set up a router box with ubuntu os but am haveing some trouble can anyone help me in another window?
[08:16] <tiglionabbit> using splashy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41709&highlight=grub+splash   and not using splashy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30341&highlight=grub+splash
[08:16] <agwibowo> unome: does it tell u anything?
[08:17] <desrt> thepages3; it's best to just ask for help in channel
[08:17] <thepages3> ko thx
[08:17] <unome> agwibowo: ATI right?
[08:17] <agwibowo> yes
[08:17] <agwibowo> unome:yes
[08:18] <Fudge> he has to answer hs phone
[08:18] <unome> agwibowo: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&highlight=Error+failed+request%3A+BadMatch+%28invalid+parameter+attributes%29
[08:18] <agwibowo> unome: thx!
[08:19] <unome> agwibowo: yw
[08:20] <Silent> agwibowo, this might be a place to start understanding getting your ATI driver setup: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html
[08:21] <agwibowo> Silent: thx
[08:22] <optendo_> I edited my xorg.conf to have 1240x800 for my default monitor but it still doesnt show up in the resolution changer, I saved and rebooted
[08:23] <unome> !fixresolution
[08:23] <ubotu> unome: Wish i knew
[08:23] <unome> lol
[08:23] <optendo_> Unome: what?
[08:23] <optendo_> !fixresolution
[08:24] <ubotu> Wish i knew, optendo_
[08:24] <unome> optendo_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:24] <optendo_> ok thanks
[08:24] <GNAM> COLONY2 IS OUT!
[08:24] <cdc> my ISP is controlling the download limit i am using PPPOE so which interface should i monitor ?
[08:24] <unome> no kidding!
[08:24] <cdc> is it eth0 or ppp0?
[08:25] <unome> what's colony2?
[08:25] <GNAM> BREEZY colony2
[08:25] <GNAM> look at distrowatch
[08:25] <unome> k
[08:25] <REds> ppp0 is for pppoe
[08:25] <REds> its just a virtual interface from ur nic/usb to modem
[08:25] <robitaille> unome: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-July/008528.html
[08:25] <cdc> REds, i am using PPPOE for connecting to the Internet
[08:26] <jamey3> I wiped my MBR by running Windows NT Setup. I'm in "Ubuntu Installer rescue mode" and at a terminal. How do I recreate the MBR for Ubuntu? Thanks, Jamey
[08:26] <unome> rob thanks
[08:26] <REds> cdc yes
[08:26] <cdc> in that case whats the interface that i ve to monitor is it ppp0/
[08:26] <cdc> ?
[08:26] <REds> ppp0 created for pppoe
[08:26] <REds> ye
[08:26] <airmikey> how do i mount the floppy
[08:26] <unome> mount /media/floppy
[08:27] <Silent> jamey3, run 'sudo grub-install' & cross your fingers :D
[08:27] <jamey3> Silent, thank you. I was already crossing my fingers when I tried to install Windows XP on the second partition. :-)
[08:27] <airmikey> can't find /media/floppy0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[08:28] <unome> then reate it and add the entry to /etc/stab
[08:28] <Silent> airmikey, have you tried fdmount ?
[08:29] <airmikey>  Must run with EUID=root
[08:29] <thepages3> is there a GUI for ubuntu for setting up a routing service?
[08:29] <unome> mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 using sudo maybe?
[08:29] <jtan325> so on my 30gb hard drive for my laptop, i currently have only 7 gb allocated for ubuntu partition, and the rest is windows. i would like to allocated more for ubuntu :-) and i have about 10 gb free space on the windows partition. is there a way to do this?
[08:29] <jamey3> Silent, thanks -- it worked! Although, I installed it for the entire drive and two partitions (Ubuntu and Debian) so I've no idea what fixed it. :P
[08:30] <Silent> but there's gotta be a way to mount floppies as user, same as CDs
[08:30] <HappyFool> Silent: i think the normal /etc/fstab entry allows user mounting
[08:30] <Silent> jamey3, cool :D
[08:32] <Silent> fdmount lets non root users mount floppies
[08:32] <thepages3> anyone know if there a GUI for setting up a routing service?
[08:32] <unome> fdmount (): Must run with EUID=root
[08:32] <unome> atleast here
[08:32] <skorpyo> hi everyone
[08:33] <Silent> unome, guess again - check the man page
[08:33] <dhan123> hi
[08:33] <unome> Silent: k
[08:33] <rafter> how do u set up sudo?
[08:33] <skorpyo> i-m looking for a manual to get started anyone can help me?
[08:34] <dhan123> hi
[08:34] <Gourami> http://www.ubuntuguide.com skorpyo
[08:34] <robitaille> Gourami: please see #3 in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[08:34] <robitaille> skorpyo:  you're looking for a manual to start  about Ubuntu?  Linux?
[08:35] <skorpyo> thanks gourami
[08:35] <skorpyo> i'd like to learn the basic commands robitaille
[08:35] <Gourami> http://www.ubuntuguide.org sorry
[08:36] <robitaille> skorpyo:  I personally like rute:  http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz
[08:36] <unome> Non-root  users  must own the directory specified as mount point.  (This does not apply for the default mount
[08:36] <unome>               points, /fd[0-3] .)
[08:36] <Fudge> hi
[08:36] <Gourami> just woke up :)
[08:36] <Fudge> :)
[08:36] <skorpyo> ok, thanks i'll check those pages
[08:36] <Silent> skorpyo, this is non ubuntu specific: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/gs/gs.html
[08:37] <Fudge> is there something in ubuntu gui we can use to setup routing
[08:39] <jtan325> how does one resize an ext3 partition?
[08:39] <gobeavs> fdisk
[08:40] <gobeavs> I think
[08:40] <gobeavs> there is probably a better way....
[08:40] <Fudge> um lol
[08:40] <Fudge> i was in priv with dan
[08:40] <Silent> ext2resize perhaps?
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[08:40] <Fudge> > ooh :)
[08:40] <Fudge> > where would we find the setup tool?
[08:40] <Fudge> [dhan123 PING] 
[08:40] <Fudge> > it has two network cards in it
[08:40] <Fudge> DCC session closed
[08:40] <d4rksh4de> Is AMD 2800+ speed 2.8 GHz ?
[08:41] <Fudge> that is a little confusing
[08:41] <unome> jtan325: gparted?
[08:41] <Silent> d4rksh4de, nope, no way
[08:41] <jtan325> hmm i'll look into those, thanks
[08:41] <Gourami> d4rksh4de nope 2600
[08:41] <d4rksh4de> Silent> then what?
[08:41] <HappyFool> d4rksh4de: not sure. try 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' to see
[08:42] <d4rksh4de> HappyFool> i dont have this processor :P
[08:42] <Silent> and /proc/cpufreq too..
[08:42] <Fudge> where in the gui can we setup ip routing plz
[08:42] <jamey3> d4rksh4de, no a 2800+ has a clock speed of about 2.25 GHz
[08:42] <HrdwrBoB> no
[08:42] <unome> d4rksh4de: oufcourse not AMD clocking is nothing like Intel's
[08:42] <HrdwrBoB> 2.06
[08:42] <HrdwrBoB> but it has more cache
[08:43] <Silent> Fudge, I know this wasn't what you asked, but 'route add' is straightforward, no need for gui
[08:43] <d4rksh4de> unome> so, P4 3 GHz is much better?
[08:43] <unome> d4rksh4de: 2800+ tells you it can put up with an intel chip runing at that speed but the actual clock is lower
[08:43] <Fudge> o_o oh that is good then
[08:43] <unome> d4rksh4de: visit hardforum.com ...
[08:43] <Silent> d4rksh4de, ho ho ho - clock speed has nothing to do with performance :)
[08:43] <HrdwrBoB> in any case if you're talking about an athlong64
[08:44] <HrdwrBoB> athlon64
[08:44] <HrdwrBoB> it's bettter than a P4 in most ways
[08:44] <d4rksh4de> Silent> so which is better P4 3 GHz or AMD Sempron 2800+ ?
[08:44] <Juhaz> athlons have much better IPC so they don't need to be clocked as high to be just as fast.
[08:44] <jamey3> d4rksh4de, yeah you could pit a 2800+ up against a 2.8 GHz Intel and it would do well
[08:44] <unome> look AMD 64 venice running at 1.8 can fsck an intel running at 2.5
[08:45] <gobeavs> what does IPC stand for?
[08:45] <Silent> d4rksh4de, if you want spec marks, go to http://www.tomshardware.com
[08:45] <unome> d4rksh4de: if you are a gamer go AMD, just make sure you get air flow in the box, AMD runs hot (athlon)
[08:45] <Juhaz> instructions per clock
[08:45] <Fudge> its running through a billion 711
[08:45] <gobeavs> oh
[08:46] <Fudge> not sure on exact gateway addi
[08:46] <gobeavs> ya, but Athlon XP rating system is messed up
[08:46] <Silent> unome, compared to Intels, Athlons are very chill
[08:46] <gobeavs> P4 2.4 "C" can beat an Athlon XP 2800+
[08:46] <Silent> gobeavs, depends on the spec... but for games, no way
[08:46] <unome> Silent: well depends on what heatsink/fan and case cooling we're talking
[08:47] <gobeavs> I can't remember specifics, but I know that is the case for the A64s....not sure about Athlon XP's
[08:47] <desrt> Silent; no.  amd is quite a lot hotter
[08:47] <gobeavs> and Athlon XP's do run hot
[08:47] <Fudge> is the gatway the nic going to the modem or to the switch
[08:47] <HrdwrBoB> the athlon64 has coolnquiet
[08:47] <Juhaz> desrt, not true
[08:47] <HrdwrBoB> which will clock it down when not in use
[08:47] <gobeavs> its the current generation Intel Presscots that are heaters
[08:48] <HrdwrBoB> my athlon64 CPU fan literally spends most of its time stopped
[08:48] <gobeavs> It depends on which AMD - Athlon XP = hot    Athlon 64 = cooler
[08:48] <unome> d4rksh4de: hardforum.com cpu section has tons of great info for you before you make up your mind on what to buy
[08:48] <Silent> when did we start talking about XPs? it's P4 vs A64 these days
[08:48] <desrt> i've never owned a 64... only a pair of athlon MPs
[08:48] <desrt> those suckers were freakin' hot
[08:48] <unome> lol
[08:48] <jamey3> AMD Athlon XP-M chips run very cool in comparison
[08:48] <HrdwrBoB> XP warm, P4 = host, A64 = cool
[08:49] <d4rksh4de> unome> ok
[08:49] <Fudge> im getting this hp dual slot 1 board, hope it runs nix nicly
[08:49] <gobeavs> someone said something about an AMD 2800+
[08:49] <gobeavs> I assume that is an Athlon XP
[08:49] <jamey3> Many people opted for the XP-M 2500+ chip a while back which allowed complete control over FSB and multiplier. (I know I did)
[08:49] <unome> well, if it's hot cool it and OC it until it starts fuming hehehe
[08:49] <airmikey> how do i fix this---> line 9 in /etc/fstab is bad
[08:49] <airmikey> mount: can't find /media/floppy0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[08:49] <jamey3> The Athlon XP-M 2500+ was cheap (at the time) and allowed an easy overclock to 3200+ equivalent performance.
[08:49] <HappyFool> airmikey: what does line 9 look like then?
[08:49] <unome> airmikey: /media/floppy0 exists?
[08:50] <HrdwrBoB> airmikey: don't use your floppy drive
[08:50] <gobeavs> peltier cooling :D. I heard someone OVERCOOLED a CPU using a peltier cooler, cracked it because it was too cold
[08:50] <Silent> airmikey, post line 9
[08:50] <airmikey> lol
[08:50] <airmikey> where is it
[08:50] <airmikey> how do  i get to it
[08:50] <HappyFool> airmikey: 'cat -n /etc/fstab'
[08:50] <unome> airmikey: you need to create it if it doesnt exist
[08:50] <HappyFool> the first column will be line numbers
[08:51] <airmikey> no such file
[08:51] <HappyFool> no /etc/fstab ?
[08:52] <Juhaz> what's nuts is that there are at least four different 2800+'s, XP, 64 and two totally different semprons
[08:52] <airmikey>  9  /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 vfat,ext2 ....    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[08:52] <Silent> what's with the "...." ?
[08:53] <airmikey> i was in google  and that was what some guy used to get his floppy mounted
[08:53] <HappyFool> the ... is wrong
[08:53] <airmikey> at least so he said
[08:54] <Silent> airmikey, he lies - just delete this line & use fdmount instead
[08:54] <unome> shoud be auto <tab> auto.owner
[08:54] <HappyFool> he was probably indicating space, or allowing for other filesystem types. or just wrong.
[08:54] <gobeavs> Juhaz: that doesn't even compare to Intel and their naming schemes
[08:54] <airmikey> lol
[08:54] <HappyFool> remove the ... and it (might) work
[08:54] <gobeavs> Juhaz: 2.0 ghz "A", 2.4 ghz "B", 2.4 ghz "C", 3.0 ghz "EE", 3.0 ghz "C", 3.06 ghz, 3.0 ghz "E"......
[08:54] <airmikey> i forger how to get back there to edit
[08:55] <HappyFool> sudo nano /etc/fstab
[08:55] <HappyFool> or sudo gedit /etc/fstab, if you're in graphical mode
[08:55] <cmatheson> hey, my ~/.Xdefaults doesn't seem to be getting read... is there something i have to do to make programs recognize it?
[08:55] <unome>  /dev/fd0 <TAB> /mnt/floppy <TAB> auto <TAB> auto.owner <TAB> 0 0
[08:56] <HappyFool> i thought mount options were separated with a comma, not a period?
[08:57] <unome> is it?
[08:57] <unome> check what you got
[08:58] <airmikey> ahhhhhhhhhhhh what do u know i got floppy
[08:59] <airmikey> wow
[08:59] <airmikey> thx guys
[09:09] <jtan325_> what's the best way to resize an ntfs partition?
[09:09] <jtan325_> right now i am dual booting on my laptop with windows and ubuntu, i would like to decrease disk space for windows and allocate more for windows
[09:10] <jtan325_> i am looking at gparted and qparted, it seems like qparted will resize, but gparted won't
[09:10] <jtan325_> but gparted will resize the the linux partition (ext3)
[09:11] <jtan325_> any ideas?
[09:12] <onno> When I play a movie it won't go to full screen, what should I do to get full screen?
[09:13] <hyphenated> onno: which movie player?
[09:15] <onno> All of them
[09:15] <onno> even when I start the movie via command line (mplayer
[09:15] <onno> hyphenated, I installed all libs
[09:16] <IRFAN> HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
[09:16] <hyphenated> onno: if you're using mplayer, you can either use the -fs option, or press F while the movie is playing
[09:16] <hyphenated> (or change your mplayer config file so it defaults to fullscreen)
[09:17] <onno> I know but when I do that the screen maxes out but the picture still is a squere in the middle
[09:18] <orangerange> Hello, how can i switch from a fullscreen window (VisualBoyAdvance) back to the desktop?
[09:18] <hyphenated> onno: ah. I've had that before. try -vo xv
[09:19] <hyphenated> onno: that tells it to use the "xv" driver, instead of whatever it defaults to ("x11" driver maybe)
[09:21] <onno> mplayer -vo vx
[09:21] <HrdwrBoB> xv
[09:21] <onno> besides Totem always crashes on start up!
[09:21] <HrdwrBoB> onno: totem-xine?
[09:21] <onno> totem-gstreamer
[09:21] <HrdwrBoB> try apt-get install totem-xine
[09:22] <onno> ok
[09:23] <d4rksh4de> im having also problems with totem
[09:23] <d4rksh4de> "recource busy or not availabel"
[09:24] <onno> d4rksh4de, i awlays get that on many computers where I install ubuntu... Installing Xine seems to help
[09:25] <airmikey> ok guys jus came from root but still cant format floppy
[09:26] <HappyFool> using fdformat?
[09:26] <airmikey> whats the trick
[09:27] <HappyFool> what command are you issuing, and what error message do you get?
[09:28] <airmikey> jus opening uo floppy and trying to delete some files
[09:28] <sensayshun> Can someone please help me install gDesklets?
[09:28] <HappyFool> airmikey: what error message do you get?
[09:28] <airmikey> i dont have permission
[09:29] <zhLilDoggi> t
[09:30] <HappyFool> airmikey: what command did you use to mount the floppy ?
[09:30] <freddy_> omg, wireless card installed, i can see it in the network monitor, i can see it in system/admin/network as a device....but i cant seem to get it working...it hangs on Idle :(
[09:31] <freddy_> i even get the sygnal strenght
[09:31] <freddy_> :(
[09:31] <freddy_> any thoughts?
[09:31] <airmikey> sudo mount /media/floppy0
[09:31] <HappyFool> airmikey: try 'sudo umount /media/floppy0' and then 'mount /media/floppy0'
[09:31] <hyphenated> freddy_: try using 'network-admin' to configure the connection
[09:31] <sensayshun> HappyFool, can he not just delete using a sudo command? That's what I'm trying to learn how to do
[09:31] <HappyFool> airmikey: by using sudo, you've mounted the floppy as root. It should be mountable as a normal user. If that doesn't work, investigate the fdmount command Silent suggested
[09:32] <HappyFool> sensayshun: i believe he's trying to use nautilus to delete the files
[09:32] <freddy_> i used it hyphenated :( the wireless connections is there....and it sayas active...on wlan0.....but i cant get any inet :(
[09:32] <sensayshun> HappyFool, ok just thought i'd interrupt :P
[09:32] <sensayshun> HappyFool, you wouldn't happen to know the command to delete thing through terminal would you?
[09:33] <hyphenated> freddy_: in a shell, type in: iwconfig
[09:33] <HappyFool> sensayshun: the delete command is 'rm'
[09:33] <sensayshun> thanks
[09:33] <Fr0Gs> does anyone have an account with cedega?
[09:33] <HappyFool> sensayshun: as in 'ReMove'
[09:33] <julo> hi
[09:33] <HappyFool> sensayshun: be careful combining 'sudo' and 'rm' ;)
[09:33] <hyphenated> freddy_: it'll tell you the status for that interface. if it says unassociated, then you probably need to move closer to the AP
[09:34] <airmikey> floppy wont unmount
[09:34] <airmikey> lol
[09:34] <Fr0Gs> does anyone have an account with transgaming?
[09:34] <sensayshun> HappyFool, will do :) But it won't let me delete a folder
[09:34] <holycow> yes, would you like to use mine?>
[09:34] <holycow> >_>
[09:34] <holycow> wtf is this? a warez chan?
[09:34] <julo> I'm running breezy, and I something seems odd (not surprisingly from a work in progress). It seems that applications are translated, but GTK itself isn't. Is it expected ?
[09:34] <holycow> -_-
[09:34] <hyphenated> holycow: no, it's an anime smileys channel ;-)
[09:35] <holycow> oh right
[09:35] <iluciv> hi I have a problem with the Xwindow system; I'm unable to right click and open a terminal that works? I just get the window and this error statement "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal" also if I try to open user groups tab I get "Could not execute the backend" then the same child error. I know it is prolly some database error but which? how do I toubleshoot this?
[09:35] <holycow> d-_-b
[09:35] <Jesse1> :( still no windows media 10 codec for ubuntu :(
[09:35] <holycow> Jesse1, call microsoft, i think they have something to do with that
[09:36] <holycow> i have some serious doubts that we will be able to watch microsoft media player stuff too much longer into the future
[09:36] <holycow> the drm stuff will be hard to hack
[09:36] <Jesse1> well that sucks
[09:37] <HappyFool> sensayshun: use 'rm -r' to delete folders
[09:37] <holycow> not really, what sucks is that microsoft users don't understand that there are users of other operating systems and insist on encoding in proprietary formats
[09:37] <sensayshun> HappyFool, thank-you
[09:37] <holycow> its kind of weird, it's like they insist on keeping them selves in jail
[09:37] <HappyFool> julo: you're kind of on your own with breezy, afaik.
[09:38] <HappyFool> iluciv: not sure why you think it's a database error. Try switching to a text console (Ctl-Alt-F1), log in, and look at .xsession-errors
[09:38] <desrt> i don't think linux users 'get it'
[09:39] <holycow> iluciv, weird, what is the config of system?
[09:39] <holycow> desrt, oh linux users get it
[09:39] <desrt> for most people, using windows isn't this terrible thing
[09:39] <desrt> they just don't care, at all
[09:39] <holycow> its windows users that insist that linux has to be like windows
[09:39] <desrt> they don't use microsoft tools on purpose
[09:39] <holycow> to which we just say, go ahead and keep using windows
[09:39] <desrt> they use them because they're there
[09:39] <holycow> exactly
[09:39] <holycow> and frankly
[09:39] <holycow> no one cares
[09:39] <holycow> linux doesn't exist to put ms out of business
[09:39] <holycow> linux exists for as many reasons as there are users
[09:40] <FlannelKing> We will always be able to get around DRM, dont you worry
[09:40] <desrt> well, then it's not "like they insist on keeping themselves in jail"
[09:40] <holycow> and that my friend, is a beautiful thing
[09:40] <desrt> they just don't care as much as you do
[09:40] <holycow> desrt, oh it is, they have gotten accustomed to their jail
[09:40] <holycow> they have decorated it
[09:40] <holycow> added a patio
[09:40] <sensayshun> holycow, :D
[09:40] <holycow> when you explain to them that hey look at that open field, your free over there
[09:40] <holycow> they are afraid
[09:40] <desrt> who do you think you are?  rms? :)
[09:41] <FlannelKing> Proprietary products are not a bad thing, closed formats are arguable, the thing that'll get most users is the spyware/viruses/etc
[09:41] <holycow> afraid that the nice open and free field will not have doilies on the coffee tables
[09:41] <iluciv> holycow: ahem.. (just compiled vanilla kern 2.6.12.2) and thus getting such error I thought it would be database error cause child parent terms
[09:41] <gobeavs> hehe...just figured out that I live within like 20 minutes of Linus Torvalds :-P
[09:41] <FlannelKing> People don't mind paying for things
[09:41] <desrt> FlannelKing; ya.
[09:41] <HappyFool> iluciv: what database?
[09:41] <holycow> iluciv, well then your on your own, the reason for using a debian based distro is to never haveto do that
[09:41] <holycow> :)
[09:41] <desrt> gobeavs; put out a hit
[09:41] <Jesse1> lol this thing is scrolling to fast for me to read
[09:41] <desrt> gobeavs; billg will thank you :)
[09:41] <HiddenWolf> I doubt we'll be able to get around all DRM, really. - There are now games on the market that are not crackable, for instance.
[09:42] <HappyFool> good morning Seveas
[09:42] <desrt> "not crackable"?
[09:42] <Seveas> mornin!
[09:42] <holycow> desrt, i'm just a realistic and honest linux user.  i once was entombed in the microsoft world
[09:42] <FlannelKing> Not hackable is like bubbling "always" on a multiple choice test.
[09:42] <holycow> i once thought 'screw it everyone has ie, just build a website for ie and everything is good'
[09:42] <desrt> HiddenWolf; is this just like how the xbox was  not crackable?
[09:42] <iluciv> holycow: I needed to get tv-card recognised thus complie
[09:42] <holycow> then they let me out of the cage
[09:42] <Jesse1> HiddenWolf, for instance?
[09:42] <holycow> it was scary for a while but one day i pass the no turning point
[09:42] <xxenon> HiddenWolf - not crackable ? hmmm---
[09:42] <iluciv> holycow:tvcard works great now btw :P
[09:43] <desrt> if you can play it you can copy it :)
[09:43] <holycow> i shall never be going back to the jail again, even if i haveto live in a teepee for the time being
[09:43] <holycow> :)
[09:43] <holycow> iluciv, ah neat, what tv card?
[09:43] <FlannelKing> thats a problem though, holycow, you see it as a jail.  It's become a conviction for you, and now you are going to be blinded by it
[09:43] <desrt> FlannelKing; right on.
[09:44] <holycow> FlannelKing, you cannot be blinded when you are aware of both sides
[09:44] <iluciv> compro video mate gold+ and visionplus dvb-t (analogue and digital viewing bliss) :)
[09:44] <holycow> i'm outside now, i've been inside i know what it means
[09:44] <holycow> the average windows user doesn't
[09:44] <desrt> holycow; most people on the 'inside' don't think like you :)
[09:44] <HiddenWolf> xxenon; starforce protected games, and games using a combination of technologies.
[09:44] <holycow> right
[09:44] <FlannelKing> You're not though, you're already leaning towards becoming a fanboy
[09:44] <holycow> as per my example
[09:44] <holycow> they are conditioned to believe their jail is home
[09:44] <holycow> afterall
[09:45] <holycow> they have doilies on the coffee table
[09:45] <holycow> fanboy of what?
[09:45] <holycow> freedom?
[09:45] <holycow> then a fanboy i am
[09:45] <Jesse1> lol
[09:45] <holycow> gimme bsd, gimme freedom, whatever
[09:45] <holycow> :) i ain't goin back
[09:45] <FlannelKing> And as such, you're already impossible to reason with.
[09:46] <holycow> no i'm impossible to brainwash, you will notice that i am not trying to convince you of anything
[09:46] <holycow> i'm merely pontificating
[09:46] <holycow> you are free to disagree or whatever
[09:46] <desrt> holycow; plz don't join the marketing team :)
[09:46] <holycow> you are simply offended that i have a view
[09:46] <holycow> a very strong and clear view
[09:46] <holycow> people who say things like 'impossible to reason with' never really attempt to reason at all
[09:47] <desrt> what timezone are you in?
[09:47] <FlannelKing> No, youre mistaking your 'different' view with a broad and understanding view, and in effect, becoming narrow minded
[09:47] <holycow> mostly because youve never been in a position to, you cannot reason with an editorial because its an editorial not an argument
[09:47] <Juhaz> HiddenWolf, starforce has been cracked, as have combo games
[09:47] <holycow> i'm happy you cannot imagine that someone can possibly see things differently from you
[09:48] <Jesse1> does bf2 have a linux port?
[09:48] <holycow> because what you are really saying is
[09:48] <FlannelKing> Hiddenwolf, nothing will ever be hackproof, just difficult to circumvent
[09:48] <holycow> if i agree with you i'm being reasonabler
[09:48] <holycow> if i don't aggree with you i'm being unreasonable
[09:48] <holycow> well guess what?
[09:48] <holycow> i don't give a damn :)
[09:49] <d4rksh4de> anybody knows which game needs the highest system requirements?
[09:49] <holycow> desrt, i would never join the marketing team, i think what ubuntu is doing is great, my views would only polute something very diplomatic
[09:49] <wizo|out> evening gentlemen
[09:49] <airmikey> im downloading files to a floppy but windows doesnt reconize files ..how do i fix this
[09:49] <Jesse1> d4rksh4de, bf2 needs the hightest syste, requirements
[09:49] <gundee> holycow: 8 of 10 Terrorists prefer Linux ! What do you say now !? ;)
[09:49] <jo> d4rksh4de do you wont the test the speed for your pc?
[09:49] <HappyFool> airmikey: what files doesn't it recognize?
[09:50] <d4rksh4de> jo no
[09:50] <FlannelKing> d4rkshade, Google says Farcry
[09:50] <holycow> gundee, lol, american military uses linux too
[09:50] <HiddenWolf> Juhaz, not when I last checked...
[09:50] <d4rksh4de> Jesse1> battle field 2?
[09:50] <sensayshun> I need help installing UT2004
[09:50] <Jesse1> d4rksh4de, yes
[09:50] <holycow> FlannelKing, some things are hack proof
[09:50] <FlannelKing> d4rksh4de, Google says Farcry
[09:50] <holycow> FlannelKing, really really realy large passwords are unhackable
[09:50] <sensayshun> it comes with a linux-installer.sh     So i do sudo sh ./linux-installer.sh
[09:50] <poningru> guys how do I shorten the panels?
[09:50] <d4rksh4de> FlannelKing> ok
[09:50] <jo> its fun i was in doom3 doint no the game but i was walking to fast i loos all the player
[09:50] <sensayshun> and it gives me an error
[09:51] <gobeavs> they aren't unhackable...it just takes a long time
[09:51] <FlannelKing> No, they arent, they are just more difficult than something else, and as such, take a long time.
[09:51] <poningru> they are 25pxs high
[09:51] <Jesse1> FlannelKing, that must be old now
[09:51] <poningru> how do I make them short
[09:51] <poningru> er
[09:51] <FlannelKing> Jessel, I don't know, but thats what google says.  Also says to check HardOCP, see what they say
[09:51] <jtan325_> how does one resize an ext3 partition? it seems like i have to unmount the current linux partition i'm on, but how would i do that....
[09:51] <Seveas> holycow, don't mix up unhackable and unfeasible, both have the same effect but some people are going to barf about the difference :)
[09:51] <jo> UT2004 runs nice in gentoo
[09:51] <holycow> Seveas, oh very good point
[09:52] <holycow> okay :)
[09:52] <jo> on amd64 bit to
[09:52] <poningru> jtan325_: use partition magic on a livecd
[09:52] <wizo> er, ok, after loading the nvidia drivers, my ubuntu doesnt work anymore
[09:52] <poningru> wizo: switch back
[09:52] <wizo> how?
[09:52] <poningru> can you operate on a strictly cli?
[09:52] <wizo> i tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:53] <wizo> strictly cli?
[09:53] <jo> wizo wait
[09:53] <poningru> um how did you try that?
[09:53] <d4rksh4de> is ATI Radeon 9550 DDR TV-out DVI  good videocard?
[09:53] <wizo> recovery mode
[09:53] <poningru> oh I have no clue
[09:53] <poningru> wait for jo
[09:53] <wizo> jo: ok
[09:53] <wizo> thx anyway poningru
[09:53] <HappyFool> recovery mode is command-line interface (cli)
[09:53] <jo> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[09:53] <jo> sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[09:53] <jo> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup
[09:53] <jo> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[09:53] <jo> sudo gedit /usr/share/applications/NVIDIA-Settings.desktop
[09:53] <jo> [Desktop Entry] 
[09:53] <jo> Name=NVIDIA Settings
[09:53] <jo> Comment=NVIDIA Settings
[09:53] <jo> Exec=nvidia-settings
[09:53] <jo> Icon=
[09:53] <HappyFool> aargh
[09:53] <jo> Terminal=false
[09:54] <jo> Type=Application
[09:54] <poningru> dude #flood
[09:54] <jo> Categories=Application;System;
[09:54] <HappyFool> please don't paste here
[09:54] <FlannelKing> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:54] <wizo> too late
[09:54] <Seveas> I'm getting soooo tired of her
[09:55] <HappyFool> wizo: how did you install the nvidia driver?
[09:55] <Madpilot> Seveas: a bit too much cutting & pasting?
[09:55] <wizo> like wad jo pasted up there
[09:55] <wizo> thats how i did it
[09:55] <Seveas> Madpilot, a bit too clueless :)
[09:55] <HappyFool> wizo: and what happens when you tried to restart X ?
[09:55] <wizo> well, i did it the ubuntuguide way
[09:56] <Madpilot> it's good to be back here - just spent ten days computerless while my mobo was being replaced...
[09:56] <wizo> when i tried to restart X
[09:56] <wizo> i got the starting up screen, loading modules and stuff
[09:56] <wizo> then after that a really really black screen, it doesnt get to the login page
[09:56] <Juhaz> HiddenWolf, you haven't checked very thoroughly then.
[09:57] <HappyFool> wizo: hrm. ok, you're in recovery mode now?
[09:57] <wizo> err nope
[09:57] <wizo> in windows
[09:57] <HappyFool> wizo: ah, fair enough
[09:57] <wizo> i only got 1 harddrive to share =(
[09:57] <Madpilot> someone pls remind me what the command is to get U to display grphx driver in use?
[09:59] <HappyFool> wizo: you can try 'nvidia-glx-config disable' to disable driver in X, afaik
[09:59] <wizo> oo ok
[09:59] <HappyFool> wizo: you won't need 'sudo' if in recovery mode
[09:59] <wizo> oh yea, its root
[09:59] <wizo> ok
[09:59] <wizo> im gonna to try that
[09:59] <HappyFool> wizo: if you'd like to debug the error, you can look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:00] <Juhaz> HiddenWolf, not even starforce developers themselves go as far as to claim it's impossible, nothing is, only that it's very hard and takes much longer, instead of crack being out the same day game goes gold
[10:00] <wizo> hmm ok
[10:00] <wizo> thx
[10:00] <wizo> bbl
[10:02] <HappyFool> Madpilot: you mean maybe 'glxinfo' ?
[10:03] <Madpilot> HappyFool: that sounds right. just a sec...
[10:03] <Seveas> glxinfo just checks if it is in use
[10:04] <Seveas> if it is an nvidia car: nvidia-glx-enable
[10:04] <Seveas> card*
[10:04] <IceDC571> is ntfs writing safe to use yet?
[10:04] <Madpilot> Seveas: it's an ATI. there's a cmnd that just reports the drivers in use, isn't there?
[10:05] <ticktoc> looking for graphical screencapture (like xgrab) that will grab a window, secton of the screen, or the entire window..  The catch is, I use windowmaker but Gnome was the default WMgr at install time..  I want to avoid KDE apps if at all possible...  I found source for gnome app (purrr(?)) but dont' want to compile if there is another alternamtive..
[10:05] <Seveas> Madpilot, yes, and that indeed is glxinfo :)
[10:05] <HappyFool> ticktoc: doesn't gimp do screen capture? and people were mentioning imagemagick for screen capture yesterday, though I'm not sure about that
[10:05] <Seveas> ticktoc, gnome-screenshot
[10:05] <Seveas> or gimp
[10:06] <xoz> apt-cache search screen capture
[10:06] <ticktoc> only full screen caputes and its way too much overkill..
[10:06] <HappyFool> so crop the captured image ;)
[10:06] <Seveas> ticktoc, gnome-screenshot --window
[10:06] <Seveas> :)
[10:06] <ticktoc> no thaks...  i used xgrab/xgrabc for a long time in mdk and liked it..
[10:07] <ticktoc> uummm...  does that give you a choice of open windows to select from?
[10:07] <ticktoc> (my dt is alwasy cluttered..)
[10:08] <Seveas> gnome-screenshot --window --delay 3
[10:08] <Seveas> and you have 3 seconds :)
[10:08] <trevor> hello, does anyone know whether SANE supports HP 4500c scanners yet?
[10:08] <ticktoc> to pick which window I want?
[10:08] <Seveas> ticktoc, indeed
[10:08] <Seveas> Too bad there is no manpage for gnome-screenshot, I guessed these parameters :)
[10:08] <ticktoc> ok...  but i still would like to pick a rectangle area of any size..
[10:09] <ticktoc> good guess man.. but they are sorta generic lookin..
[10:09] <Juhaz> no manpage, but it does have --help which has all of those
[10:09] <tiglionabbit> for glxgears is 760 FPS very good?
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[10:09] <Seveas> Juhaz, lol, ty :0
[10:09] <unome> tiglionabbit: no
[10:09] <tiglionabbit> unome: what is?
[10:09] <trevor>  does anyone know whether SANE supports HP 4500c scanners yet?
[10:10] <ticktoc> well...  let me get it installed and play with it.. thanks for the ideas...
[10:10] <tiglionabbit> unome: heheh, I have the worst graphics chipset ever made.  Intel Extreme Graphics 2
[10:10] <unome> tiglionabbit: 35227 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7045.400 FPS
[10:10] <Seveas> not bad :)
[10:11] <unome> :)
[10:11] <trevor>  does anyone know whether SANE supports HP 4500c scanners yet?
[10:11] <Madpilot> unome: wow. what grx card & stuff?
[10:11] <xoz> trevor: better google that kind of fact
[10:11] <Madpilot> trevor: www.google.com
[10:11] <tiglionabbit> unome: it goes 3573 FPS when I hide it behind a window
[10:11] <tiglionabbit> =P
[10:11] <unome> Madpilot: just ol 6600 GT OC
[10:11] <unome> tiglionabbit: really?
[10:12] <tiglionabbit> yeah, blame smart raytracers
[10:12] <tiglionabbit> I mean blame it not needing to render anything
[10:12] <xoz> virtual rendering
[10:12] <unome> Madpilot: running an old 2100+ at 2700+ speeds, nothing fancy.
[10:13] <tiglionabbit> man I need to get a laptop with a real graphics card in it.  Think Toshiba is good?
[10:13] <Madpilot> unome: nice numbers. My ATI 9600XT 256Mb gets ~2000fps, peaks at ~2600fps
[10:13] <unome> tiglionabbit: brands dont matter, it's what's under the hood ;-)
[10:14] <unome> Madpilot: what mobo and cpu?
[10:15] <Madpilot> unome: AMD XP-M 2500+ (OC'd to about 1.9Ghz right now) & Asus A7N8X-E Dlx mobo
[10:15] <tiglionabbit> unome: yes but people tend to know brands for quality parts that don't fall apart, or are reasonably priced.  For instance, Acer sucks, and I own one, and am angry at myself for buying it
[10:15] <unome> 9600XT owns my 6600GT OC in any benchmark, you got a good old mobo too, weird
[10:16] <Madpilot> for laptops (if you can afford it) go Sony. My father's new Vaio is pretty sweet.
[10:16] <xoz> toshiba is not really popular in japan
[10:17] <unome> tiglionabbit: go alienware if you're rich ;)
[10:17] <Madpilot> unome: <shrug> I've heard (here, actually) that glxgears is a bit odd, and not really reliable for benchmarking...
[10:17] <unome> Madpilot: true, it's just to make sure your driver is working fine, tis all.
[10:18] <tiglionabbit> unome: I'm not rich, and alienware costs shitloads and I don't think they make a tablet pc.  I want a tablet screen
[10:18] <Madpilot> unome: and real 3d stuff - Scorched3d, etc - runs just fine...
[10:19] <HappyFool> scorched3d ? what's that?
[10:19] <unome> tiglionabbit: http://www.alienware.com/product_detail_pages/Area-51m_7700/area-51m_7700_features.aspx?SysCode=PC-LT-AREA51-M-7700&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT
[10:19] <IceDC571> lol alienware....
[10:19] <IceDC571> dont you think thats a bit overkill?
[10:19] <HappyFool> heh. cool, 3d scorched earth!
[10:19] <wizo> ok im back
[10:20] <IceDC571> i would only waste that much on a powerbook
[10:20] <wizo> and... the error is.. it cant find my screen
[10:20] <Madpilot> HappyFool: yes, it's very cool. goofily addictive, which is the sign of a really great game...
[10:20] <IceDC571> what the hell is M$ doing these days?
[10:20] <HappyFool> Madpilot: am about to download it to reduce productivity at my workplace
[10:20] <iluciv> does anyone know of a desktop system monitor for ubuntu gnome??
[10:21] <HappyFool> wizo: hm. graphical login worked before you setup the nvidia drivers, right?
[10:21] <Madpilot> Reduced productivity is what computers are actually *for*, aren't they?
[10:22] <tiglionabbit> IceDC571: MS is working on windows 2007, antispyware, and a painting program, last I checked
[10:22] <HappyFool> Madpilot: that and CFD simulation of bubble movement in guinness
[10:22] <unome> MS ::spit::
[10:22] <wizo> HappyFool: rite
[10:23] <IceDC571> has anyone walked into their local apple store lately? have you seen those lovely huge cinema displays they just released?
[10:23] <tiglionabbit> IceDC571: and figuring out how to get people's money with xbox 360's online interface
[10:23] <unome> IceDC571: dont remind me
[10:23] <Madpilot> HappyFool: time wasting & beer. this is why I love computers! :)
[10:23] <Kimppa> Hello
[10:23] <holycow> ms is doing what it has done best
[10:23] <IceDC571> i mean these screens were huge... i was so amazed
[10:23] <holycow> it lest the small companies do market research for them
[10:24] <Kimppa> is there any CLI mp3-player I could use for broadcasting?
[10:24] <unome> no doubt.
[10:24] <holycow> then either buys them up, or muscles in on their territory if there is enough money in it
[10:24] <Madpilot> IceDC571: those big 22" flatscreens? Very sweet looking. $$$$$$, tho
[10:24] <HappyFool> wizo: odd. did you try disabling nvidia yet?
[10:24] <wizo> yupz
[10:24] <benplaut> g'night everyone
[10:24] <unome> very blingbling
[10:24] <tiglionabbit> Kimppa: uh..  mplayer?
[10:24] <unome> nite ben
[10:24] <wizo> i did wad u told me to do
[10:24] <HappyFool> wizo: and? working yet?
[10:24] <wizo> nope
[10:25] <HappyFool> wizo: doh
[10:25] <wizo> -sigh- and i really cant be bothered reinstalling it
[10:25] <HappyFool> wizo: you said you ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[10:25] <IceDC571> yeah i was surprised apple is making very good cinema displays, not some other 3rd party company.. i wonder why M$ doesnt make any hardware like that
[10:25] <wizo> ahh yeh i did that as well
[10:25] <holycow> IceDC571, they will if there is enough money in it for them
[10:26] <holycow> i'm surprised we haven't seen mac like hardware control over pcs by ms
[10:26] <HappyFool> wizo: hrm. i'm unfortunately not an X guru. I can take a look at your xserver config file and try to help
[10:26] <HappyFool> wizo: you're in windows now, right?
[10:26] <Kimppa> tiglionabbit: umm.. are you sure I can use it for broadcasting?
[10:26] <wizo> yupz
[10:26] <tiglionabbit> Kimppa: no idea, but probably somehow
[10:26] <wizo> im in windows now
[10:26] <IceDC571> its like they release software, update it a little and name it something with the current year
[10:26] <holycow> wizo, all cool, what kinda hardware is your box?
[10:26] <wizo> im using a laptop btw
[10:26] <xoz> apple screen is either made by sony or philips
[10:27] <HappyFool> wizo: this windows app: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm  will let you read files on your linux partition
[10:27] <wizo> heh, a disgraceful one
[10:27] <holycow> wizo, i thought so
[10:27] <holycow> what kind of laptop?
[10:27] <wizo> toshiba
[10:27] <holycow> and what kinda vid card?
[10:27] <wizo> =s
[10:27] <holycow> what model toshiba?
[10:27] <wizo> 16mb nvidia geforce 2 go >.<
[10:27] <tiglionabbit> IceDC571: just like Macromedia.  Did you know that Flash 1 had all of the features anyone ever needed in Flash?  And that's before Macromedia even aquired the program from some mac developer dude
[10:27] <tiglionabbit> I mean, from FutureSplash
[10:27] <holycow> hmmm, that doesnt sound too bad
[10:27] <wizo> satellite 3000
[10:27] <holycow> oh one of the new ones
[10:27] <wizo> 4th year this year
[10:28] <holycow> oh wait right
[10:28] <holycow> ha
[10:28] <IceDC571> HappyFool: is there windows software that will also write to ext partitions?
[10:28] <holycow> sattelites are discontinued
[10:28] <HappyFool> wizo: would you mind installing it, copying the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf to your windows drive and pasting its contents to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:28] <HappyFool> IceDC571: i think ext2fsd (something like that) might be able to write to ext2, but not ext3
[10:28] <wizo> heh of coz i dun
[10:28] <wizo> so i downloaded a movie in linux~~~
[10:28] <wizo> and~~ i can move it to windows?!?
[10:29] <IceDC571> im trying to get my external hard drive a decent filesystem but i'll be moving it around to linux and windows machines, so i need an fs that can handle both
[10:29] <unome> why not?
[10:29] <holycow> wizo, what is your windows partition?
[10:29] <holycow> what is your linux file system?
[10:29] <wizo> erm
[10:29] <holycow> if its ntfs you wont be able to write to it so
[10:29] <tiglionabbit> IceDC571: fat32
[10:29] <HappyFool> wizo: you can copy most files with that utility. I've had problems with very large files (>500MB)
[10:29] <wizo> wubdows is NTFS and linux is on ext3 =(
[10:29] <holycow> you will need to find a windows software for reading linux file systems
[10:30] <HappyFool> holycow: that is what i've pointed him to
[10:30] <holycow> check fresh meat, i think i saw a ext3 capable reader on it
[10:30] <HappyFool> wizo: that is fine, it should work
[10:30] <IceDC571> alright i will
[10:30] <holycow> HappyFool, oh okay, ignore me then :)
[10:30] <wizo> oh sick HappyFool
[10:30] <wizo> i saw smth on the net about being able to write to ntfs the other day
[10:30] <wizo> from linux
[10:30] <tiglionabbit> wizo: the support is dodgy and incomplete, not reliable..  last i heard
[10:31] <wizo> but since i stuffed up my linux, i didnt bother reading it
[10:31] <holycow> wizo forget it
[10:31] <tiglionabbit> why not just use fat32?
[10:31] <wizo> but some ppl say its safe to use now, some say its not reliable
[10:31] <holycow> all the projects for ntfs writing are no longer supported by anyone
[10:31] <holycow> mostly because no one cares enough
[10:31] <IceDC571> ack... i like ext3 better than any other filesystem.. just because
[10:31] <tiglionabbit> heh, that's what I said earlier today
[10:31] <holycow> wizo, not some people, everyone
[10:31] <wizo> =/
[10:31] <tiglionabbit> and someone said "Dude, people care, it's just...  NTFS is complicated"
[10:32] <holycow> and proprietary
[10:32] <holycow> and undocumented
[10:32] <IceDC571> yet its taken them years to reverse engineer it
[10:32] <holycow> itys just easier to setup a second box as an ftp server and transfer files between the two that way
[10:32] <tiglionabbit> that's what I do
[10:32] <tiglionabbit> get a friend with webspace, man
[10:32] <FlannelKing> and if youve got a fast router, you go 100Mb/s
[10:32] <IceDC571> well.. if i share my ntfs drive will i be able to delete files from it from a windows box?
[10:33] <tiglionabbit> of course
[10:33] <HappyFool> this project: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd apparently provides ext2 read-write from windows
[10:33] <holycow> if your ntfs share allows that to, yes
[10:33] <iluciv> I suppose if you have a vanillia kernel compiled using the apt nvidia-glx driver won't work huh?
[10:33] <Madpilot> g'night, all.
[10:34] <HappyFool> iluciv: probably not. afaik the modules are kernel version specific
[10:34] <FlannelKing> iluciv, you'll probably be better off asking #debian people
[10:34] <wizo> brb
[10:34] <iluciv> cool thanks
[10:35] <FlannelKing> unless youre using vanilla to say unmodified
[10:35] <unome> tiglionabbit: have you checked newegg prices?
[10:35] <iluciv> if your saying unmodified to mean vanilla :P
[10:35] <tiglionabbit> unome: last I checked, newegg was sold out.  I'll check again
[10:36] <FlannelKing> well, vanilla is an install type in debian, which is why I said you might try that
[10:36] <FlannelKing> but, if you just mean, a plain old default hoary kernel, thats another matter
[10:36] <iluciv> yes I was being a twat
[10:37] <iluciv> :)
[10:37] <wizo> ok so err, HappyFool
[10:37] <wizo> where cna i find the config file
[10:37] <HappyFool> wizo: it's in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:37] <iluciv> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:37] <unome> iluciv:  twat? cunt hear you :x
[10:38] <HappyFool> wizo: explore2fs should show partitions, like hda3 (I'm guessing)
[10:38] <tiglionabbit> uhhh...   newegg just has this one and it's more expensive than advertised on the toshiba website http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16834114139
[10:38] <wizo> yeh
[10:38] <jtan325> if i unmounted the partition that i'm currently running linux from, that would be bad huh? how would i go about expanding the current partition that linux is running on (ext3)?
[10:38] <HappyFool> wizo: use the tree on the left to explore the partitions. find one with an 'etc' entry, that's your ubuntu root partition
[10:38] <tiglionabbit> zoinks, intel graphics chipset?  I don't want it
[10:38] <unome> the egg is great, but just not for laptops I guess
[10:38] <tiglionabbit> oh, read that wrong, another section
[10:39] <tiglionabbit> maybe they have it tricked out a little more or something, to warrant the price on it
[10:39] <HappyFool> jtan325: you'll need to boot with a live cd, or some other media
[10:39] <tiglionabbit> man, batteries suck.  My Acer was advertised to last 5 hours.  And it did, for a while.  Now it lasts about 20 minutes and turns off
[10:40] <unome> lol
[10:40] <tiglionabbit> linux warns me I'm low on batteries the second I pull out the plug
[10:40] <holycow> tiglionabbit, which acer?
[10:40] <holycow> i've been buying those recently, so far they haven't dissapointed
[10:40] <jtan325> HappyFool: why a live CD?
[10:41] <tiglionabbit> *pulls the plug*   gnome:  "ZOMG!  You have 0% betteries left.  Plug me back in!"  -24 minutes later-  *pshoom*
[10:41] <jtan325> HappyFool: would the ubuntu installer's paritioning program work?
[10:41] <HappyFool> jtan325: so that the partition in question isn't mounted
[10:41] <HrdwrBoB> tiglionabbit: depends how long it's been
[10:41] <tiglionabbit> holycow: it's a travelmate convertible 303xmi   (tmc303xmi)
[10:41] <HrdwrBoB> tiglionabbit: li-ion batteries have a very finite life
[10:41] <holycow> ah
[10:41] <tiglionabbit> what can I do about it?
[10:41] <tiglionabbit> I only got this thing less than a year ago
[10:41] <holycow> how old?
[10:42] <wizo> ok done!
[10:42] <tiglionabbit> and they charge you $250 for new batteries
[10:42] <HappyFool> jtan325: i'm not sure what the install cd provides
[10:42] <wizo> where is the paste site
[10:42] <jtan325> HappyFool: I also dual-boot with windows, do you think i could use partition magic?
[10:42] <HrdwrBoB> tiglionabbit: if you've been making/keeping it hot
[10:42] <HrdwrBoB> that may be part of the problem
[10:42] <tiglionabbit> HrdwrBoB: I use this laptop 24/7
[10:42] <jtan325> HappyFool: it says that partition magic supports ext2, but that's not ext3
[10:42] <wizo> got it
[10:42] <HrdwrBoB> but it's possibly your battery is stuffed
[10:42] <tiglionabbit> stuffed?
[10:42] <wizo> mine is
[10:42] <tiglionabbit> what do I do?
[10:42] <HappyFool> jtan325: again, i don't know, sorry
[10:42] <HrdwrBoB> get a new one
[10:42] <wizo> my batts can only last for 5 mintues
[10:42] <tiglionabbit> HrdwrBoB: but that's expeeensive
[10:42] <HrdwrBoB> batteries are disposable
[10:43] <HrdwrBoB> tiglionabbit: life sucks ;(
[10:43] <HrdwrBoB> my laptop battery sucks too
[10:43] <IIIEars>  jtan - partition magic will resize and preserve data moving it as it resizes. - i would use it.
[10:43] <HrdwrBoB> I get an hour or so
[10:43] <tiglionabbit> I already paid them 500 fucking dollars to fix the stupid plastic audio port that got cracked
[10:43] <HrdwrBoB> ouch that hurts
[10:43] <Strife> why the hell is there no (good) open source alternative to partition magic?
[10:44] <HappyFool> jtan325: i defer to IIIEars on this -- I have never resized a partition
[10:44] <wizo> hey er HappyFool
[10:44] <wizo> hello IIIEars
[10:44] <HappyFool> wizo: have you pasted the file on a paste-bin?
[10:44] <tiglionabbit> "Oh no, it's connected to the motherboard!  Even though you're within warranty, we're not paying for this, and we don't do partial repairs so we have to fix this or we'll tear up your warranty!"
[10:44] <wizo> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/366
[10:44] <jtan325> hi IIIEars are you there?
[10:44] <IIIEars> Strife - yes there are three gparted, qtparted and cfdisk
[10:44] <Strife> IIIEars: I said *good*
[10:44] <Strife> IIIEars: and besides, cfdisk at least is only a partition editor
[10:44] <tiglionabbit> When used thoroughly, Acers tend to fall apart.  They are made of cheap plastic suckyness
[10:44] <Strife> erm
[10:44] <HrdwrBoB> Strife: they are good, however they're not as good as p-m
[10:45] <tiglionabbit> my keyboard has been replaced 3 times
[10:45] <Strife> sorry, I've had a bit of wine tonight
[10:45] <jtan325> thanks
[10:45] <HrdwrBoB> however partition magic for most techy people isn't useful
[10:45] <Strife> HrdwrBoB: yes, that's what I'm trying to say
[10:45] <HrdwrBoB> most techy people have several hard disks lying around and all sorts of things like that
[10:45] <Strife> to the first part
[10:45] <HrdwrBoB> and don't require partition magic
[10:45] <IIIEars> Strife - qtparted does everything partition magic does except move data to resize <shrug>
[10:45] <Strife> there you go
[10:45] <Strife> therefore, not as good
[10:45] <HrdwrBoB> I have 5 drives in this machine and they all have one partition
[10:46] <tiglionabbit> Strife: actually I heard when partition magic does it, it takes forever and is very unreliable
[10:46] <Strife> tiglionabbit: doesn't matter... at least it tries :P
[10:46] <tiglionabbit> therefor not very good anyway
[10:46] <tiglionabbit> lol, and it's trying that counts
[10:46] <Strife> tiglionabbit: obviously, only an idiot would count on that (i.e., not backup beforehand)
[10:46] <Strife> but it's a nice attempt
[10:46] <wizo> aww man
[10:46] <wizo> this program is awesome
[10:46] <IIIEars> Strife - it is one more step to use an optimizing defrag tool (system mechanic - fully functional trial) efore qtparted.
[10:46] <tiglionabbit> how about the people who made gparted trying to provide their software for free without adware and crap?
[10:47] <gm78> Strife, or with partition magic, if there is an unrecognized file system /(say xfs or jfs or reiser) it won't work, even on the other partitions it does recognize
[10:47] <wizo> oh dear, looks like its gonna crash
[10:47] <tiglionabbit> Strife: if you are going to back up your data, why is that feature even necessary in the first place?
[10:47] <gm78> Strife, with qtparted, it just labels it as unknown and lets u alter the recognized partition
[10:47] <Strife> yes, the only advantage
[10:48] <tiglionabbit> Strife: I mean, why not just move all the data off of your partition, erase it, and repartition the way you want?  No need for partition magic to do somethnig that might screw up your data
[10:48] <mebaran151> gm78, uh no
[10:48] <mebaran151> it works
[10:48] <mebaran151> I have used it
[10:48] <mebaran151> the latest version of gparted
[10:48] <Strife> tiglionabbit: oh I agree
[10:48] <HappyFool> wizo: hrm. Looks more-or-less ok to me.
[10:48] <mebaran151> simply is a frontend to the cli tools
[10:48] <wizo> =(
[10:48] <IIIEars> Hardrives are so inexpensive for desktops it's easier to buy another one.
[10:48] <mebaran151> for the respective programs
[10:48] <Strife> tiglionabbit: but it would be nice to have something that can move your stuff, too
[10:48] <Strife> so obviously you backup first to be safe
[10:48] <Strife> then the backup becomes redundant
[10:48] <mebaran151> so it can do anything that ntfsprogs or reiserfsprogs can do
[10:48] <tiglionabbit> IIIEars: exactly how inexpensive is inexpensive?
[10:48] <HrdwrBoB> tiglionabbit: under $100
[10:48] <HappyFool> wizo: could you please also put /var/log/Xorg.0.log on the paste-bin ?
[10:49] <tiglionabbit> oo, that reminds me
[10:49] <wizo> hang on
[10:49] <Strife> backing up is only good if it's redundant anyway
[10:49] <mebaran151> I think Gparted even moves data
[10:49] <HrdwrBoB> less than the cost of a new game or piece of software
[10:49] <wizo> its crashing
[10:49] <IIIEars> newegg has 80 gig drives for less than sixty dollars.
[10:49] <tiglionabbit> I bought my brother a 120gb hard drive for $100.  And it had a $50 rebate!
[10:49] <gm78> mebaran151, yes, and if u would reread my comment u weuld realize i was talking about partition magic, not parted
[10:49] <HappyFool> wizo: explore2fs ?
[10:49] <wizo> yupz
[10:49] <Strife> tiglionabbit: the $50 rebate was before or after the $100?
[10:49] <HrdwrBoB> 200gb drives are now AU$120
[10:49] <HappyFool> wizo: it can break on big files, as i said
[10:49] <wizo> damn
[10:49] <mebaran151> oh
[10:49] <mebaran151> sorry
[10:50] <Strife> HrdwrBoB: how does the aussie dollar compare to the US? :P
[10:50] <tiglionabbit> Strife: after.  So it ended up being $50 for a 7200rpm 120gb hard drive.
[10:50] <gm78> mebaran151, lol, thats alright
[10:50] <Strife> tiglionabbit: NICE
[10:50] <HappyFool> wizo: the version i used seemed to copy the whole file into main memory (!) before writing it to disk
[10:50] <Strife> tiglionabbit: where did you get that?
[10:50] <tiglionabbit> like, circuit city
[10:50] <Strife> ah
[10:50] <_4strO> yop yop
[10:50] <wizo> wad version was that HappyFool
[10:50] <HrdwrBoB> Strife: about 75c?
[10:50] <Strife> I want to setup a separate computer as a backup server
[10:50] <HrdwrBoB> so $80USD
[10:50] <Strife> HrdwrBoB: wow
[10:51] <HappyFool> wizo: dunno. i'm not on windows, so i can't check ;)
[10:51] <Strife> I don't know if you can always get them that cheap here
[10:51] <Strife> in fact
[10:51] <Strife> I doubt you can
[10:51] <poningru> I got a 160gig hd for 20 USD
[10:51] <wizo> ic
[10:51] <HrdwrBoB> Strife: that's the cheapest price I can find, mind :)
[10:51] <Strife> right
[10:51] <wizo> brb
[10:51] <HrdwrBoB> poningru: that's not a price other people can buy them at though
[10:51] <IIIEars> it gets better still by adding an external usb drive case - backing up files to HD is quick DVD's are only used at my house for traveling.
[10:51] <HappyFool> wizo: it may not be much help, but you can use the 'split' program (in linux) to split a file into chunks
[10:52] <wizo> heh
[10:52] <wizo> i wanna watch my movie on windows
[10:52] <HrdwrBoB> I generally use either interweb or usb2 drives
[10:52] <HappyFool> wizo: and then reassemble in windows using copy /b
[10:52] <wizo> but each file is like 200+  meg
[10:52] <wizo> and i only have 128meg ram
[10:52] <Albaraha> how do I download a file using curl?
[10:52] <HappyFool> wizo: i think ext2fsd supports read-only of ext3 partitions. You can try that too
[10:52] <Strife> you take the div of the download
[10:52] <HappyFool> wizo: ext2fsd.sf.net, afaik
[10:53] <Strife> and then you take the gradient
[10:53] <Strife> and then
[10:53] <Strife> yeah
[10:53] <Strife> I'm going to shut up now
[10:53] <poningru> HrdwrBoB: sure it is
[10:53] <HappyFool> heh
[10:53] <wizo> im using it
[10:53] <poningru> just watch for sales this weekend
[10:53] <poningru> for example
[10:53] <wizo> no im using explaore2fs
[10:53] <wizo> explore*
[10:53] <poningru> yesterday compusa had a sale
[10:53] <poningru> where an 80gig hd was going for 20bucks
[10:54] <HappyFool> wizo: yeah, ext2fsd is different
[10:54] <HappyFool> wizo: explore2fs is probably a bit easier to use
[10:54] <HrdwrBoB> if I could get 160gb drives for $20 USD each I'd buy 5
[10:54] <wizo> oo ok
[10:54] <wizo> then i`ll try that then
[10:54] <wizo> try to use the explore
[10:54] <wizo> wait brb i go get the log file
[10:55] <wizo> where is it?
[10:55] <HappyFool> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:56] <IIIEars> Am i the last person to play "FarCry"? - It is great! - just finished it.
[10:56] <wizo> oh ok
[10:56] <gm78> IIIEars, i LOVED that game. Sadly, I sold it after i got rid of windows....now im waiting for it to be out for PS2
[10:57] <weiers> Hi... just installed ubuntu, but I cannot reach my windows fat32 partition in /mnt.  I am still very new to linux and not sure how to make it visible. Can somebody give me some advice?
[10:57] <gm78> weiers, open a private chat with me
[10:57] <IIIEars> gm78 - Is it too much for cedega?
[10:57] <HrdwrBoB> I play farcry in cedega
[10:57] <HrdwrBoB> and GTA:SA
[10:58] <HrdwrBoB> as well as playing doom3, warcraft3 and ut2k4
[10:59] <wizo> HappyFool: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/367
[10:59] <IIIEars> HrdwrBoB - Got to try it with cedega. - games are the only reason there are windows disks here for.
[11:00] <HappyFool> wizo: ok, and you did try to restart X (or reboot, or whatever) after disabling nvidia?
[11:00] <IIIEars> UT2K4 is great! the installer is included for linux.
[11:00] <wizo> yupz
[11:00] <wizo> i did
[11:00] <wizo> the screen flickered while loading modules
[11:00] <wizo> then it went blank
[11:00] <markuman> i need help in openoffice drawing. how to fix a image so that i can't move it so that i can to go over
[11:00] <wizo> aw crap
[11:00] <IceDC571> wow.. theres a folder on my NTFS drive called System Volume Information created by windows that takes up 2.8gb of space
[11:00] <IceDC571> whate a waste
[11:01] <learn25> hi
[11:01] <_Grunt> hello
[11:01] <wizo> hey HappyFool, i be right back
[11:01] <gm78> IIIEars, i tried with cedega at one point, no go
[11:01] <learn25> what is the default anonymous ftp directory of vsftp after installation?
[11:01] <HappyFool> wizo: hrm. i'm guessing that the 'UseFBDev' is the problem
[11:01] <larsrohdin> hi! If i have too many options when Grub starts. Can i just delete some in /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[11:01] <learn25> help
[11:02] <HappyFool> wizo: ok, give me a shout when you are
[11:02] <wizo|brb> framebuffer?
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> learn25: check the man page
[11:02] <HappyFool> learn25: maybe /home/ftp (that's a guess)
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> and /usr/share/doc
[11:02] <wizo|brb> coz in the log it says it cant find the frame buffer, so i disabled it
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> and /usr/share/doc/vsftp
[11:02] <Tsar_vonHumbug> larsrohdin, yes, and then run grub-install
[11:02] <HappyFool> wizo|brb: yeah
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> even
[11:02] <IIIEars> HrdwrBoB - Walk me through FarCry with cedega? - I'll get a copy if you can show me how to use it.
[11:02] <HappyFool> wizo|brb: not according to your xorg.conf
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> IIIEars: there's an installer :)
[11:02] <larsrohdin> Tsar_vonHumbug, ok thanks but sholud i leave the memtest86+ and the recoverymode?
[11:03] <HappyFool> wizo|brb: though not that i am most certainly *not* a guru with respect to this
[11:03] <HrdwrBoB> IIIEars: check out the linux installer lokie thing for games
[11:03] <HappyFool> note that, even
[11:03] <wizo|brb> uh huh
[11:03] <HrdwrBoB> I forget the exact name
[11:03] <IIIEars> HrdwrBob - Is it as easy as installing Ubuntu?
[11:03] <HrdwrBoB> IIIEars: not far off
[11:03] <wizo|brb> oh my gawd
[11:04] <wizo|brb> HappyFool: i love u for telling me about the explore2fs program
[11:04] <HappyFool> it's very handy ;)
[11:04] <IIIEars> HrdwrBoB - Ubuntu and Loki have made a linux devotee.
[11:04] <wizo|brb> i saved the movie =)
[11:04] <phedre> well, i seem to be quite stuck.
[11:04] <wizo|brb> anyway, i brb
[11:04] <HrdwrBoB> IIIEars: :)
[11:05] <iluciv> could someone tell me what the does -> Big Block Kernel Preempt
[11:05] <Frafra> hi all
[11:05] <Frafra> x works on breezy?
[11:05] <mebaran151> odes ubuntu prepackg with the kernel
[11:05] <mebaran151> an ssh filesystem module
[11:05] <phedre> i dont seem to have gcc installed, and i cant seem to find it in binary format, cause well you cant install a compiler w/o a compiler.
[11:05] <larsrohdin> Tsar_vonHumbug, grub-install and then the hdx where my linux root is?
[11:06] <HappyFool> iluciv: sounds like something related to low-latency stuff (this is a big guess though ;)
[11:07] <HappyFool> phedre: 'sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[11:07] <iluciv> I just can't seem to find why I can't open a terminal in gui
[11:07] <HappyFool> iluciv: you've looked in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[11:08] <phedre> thanks :)
[11:09] <phedre> seems to be working now
[11:09] <iluciv> :S sorry I forgot to check that
[11:10] <iluciv> brb
[11:10] <mebaran151> anybody know a good solution for this problem
[11:11] <mebaran151> I have a filesystem I woudl like to access
[11:11] <mebaran151> very transparently
[11:11] <qos> hey guys, is there anyone how can help my installing a bootsplash?
[11:11] <mebaran151> like mount it in /mnt/remote
[11:11] <mebaran151> Iu have ftp and ssh access
[11:11] <mebaran151> how might I go about it
[11:12] <mebaran151> I have to use the user mebaran@gmail.com@[sitenme] 
[11:12] <mebaran151> what might I do
[11:12] <mebaran151> in my perfect world
[11:12] <mebaran151> I would be able to fire up gedit
[11:12] <mebaran151> write some code
[11:12] <mebaran151> and save it directly ther
[11:13] <mebaran151> just in the file save dialogue
[11:13] <wizo|brb> ok back
[11:13] <wizo|brb> for a bit, cooking my dinner
[11:14] <HappyFool> mebaran151: google and 'apt-cache search' point to shfs -- not sure if they'll help. see here: http://shfs.sourceforge.net/
[11:15] <HappyFool> wizo|brb: my guess is to rerun dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and, when it asks, do *not* choose framebuffer
[11:15] <anacron> :D
[11:15] <wizo|brb> i thought i said no to it
[11:15] <iluciv> happyfool: sorry where exactly is the file I'm supposed to look at
[11:15] <wizo|brb> =/
[11:15] <wizo|brb> ok i`ll try it alter again
[11:15] <wizo|brb> thx
[11:15] <anacron> why is everybody msg me suddenly?
[11:16] <HappyFool> iluciv: in your home dir
[11:16] <HappyFool> iluciv: /home/iluciv/.xsession-errors
[11:16] <iluciv> Happyfool: nope no such file prehaps thats the problem
[11:16] <HappyFool> eek
[11:17] <wizo|brb> cya guys
[11:17] <wizo|brb> thx HappyFool for yr help
[11:17] <wizo|brb> bbl
[11:17] <HappyFool> what are the permissions on your home dir ?
[11:17] <HappyFool> wizo|brb: good luck
[11:17] <iluciv> Happyfool: drwxr-xr-x
[11:18] <iluciv> Happyfool: I take it thats what you mean??
[11:18] <HappyFool> iluciv: hrm. booting the stock ubuntu kernel works, right?
[11:18] <HappyFool> iluciv: yeah
[11:18] <iluciv> yeah haven't tried since installing this one though
[11:19] <IamwhoIam> Do you wanna get free MP3 player ? Register here :http://www.freeNezy.com/index.php?refID=8419080
[11:19] <HappyFool> iluciv: maybe look in /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog to find out if there are other startup errors
[11:20] <iluciv> sok
[11:26] <iluciv> Happyfool: whats the difference between syslog and syslog.0
[11:27] <HappyFool> iluciv: i think the .0 (and .1.gz etc) are older log files
[11:27] <iluciv> Happyfool: Ah this is good
[11:28] <z|bandito> anyone know how to get a bittorrent tracker working on ubuntu?  it doesn't seem to like the way python is installed... :(
[11:29] <HappyFool> z|bandito: what error message are you getting?
[11:29] <xoz> iluciv: man logrotate
[11:30] <iluciv> xoz: ? huh
[11:30] <xoz> iluciv: those nos in logs are rotated by logrotate script
[11:30] <z|bandito> error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)
[11:30] <iluciv> ah
[11:31] <nuggien> how can i get monodevelop to find my gtk and gtksharp libs in /usr/lib/mono?
[11:31] <_Grunt> does removing a program with synaptic also remove the configuration files?
[11:31] <z|bandito> this is from a root terminal.. the config directory doesn't even exist, though :\
[11:31] <z|bandito> i get a similar error when trying to build a .deb
[11:31] <HappyFool> z|bandito: you might need a python-dev package -- just a moment
[11:31] <_Grunt> or do you have to use apt-get for that?
[11:31] <HappyFool> z|bandito: install the python-dev package ('sudo aptitude install python-dev')
[11:32] <z|bandito> ok I'll try it
[11:32] <HappyFool> _Grunt: apt-get has a 'purge' option to remove all files -- not sure how to achieve that in synaptic (my synaptic is currently busy downloading, so i can't check)
[11:32] <iluciv>  Happyfool: Anyway It doesn't say anything I can see as a realted error Thanks for trying
[11:33] <z|bandito> it's installing 2 packages.. any reason to use aptitude and not dpkg or apt-get?  :)
[11:33] <iluciv> My Tvtime is great though :D Dr Who Time
[11:33] <_Grunt> I see, I'll just use apt-get
[11:34] <HappyFool> iluciv: maybe try rebooting with a stock kernel to check everything is working there. I can't see why changing kernels would cause this behaviour, but i haven't compiled a kernel for ages
[11:34] <HappyFool> z|bandito: i think aptitude keeps a log file, and is a bit smarter about installing/removing packages
[11:34] <z|bandito> also, any idea if i should install using python, or use it to build a .deb and install from that?
[11:34] <z|bandito> i see
[11:34] <iluciv> HappyFool: Will do after Dr WHo :D
[11:35] <TheQ> servus
[11:35] <HappyFool> z|bandito: if you know how, I'd build a deb. Should make uninstallation (and maybe upgrading) easier
[11:35] <HappyFool> iluciv: heh. priorities, eh? ;)
[11:35] <learn25> Help i just installed vsftp and i went to the other machine to perform anonymous ftp. i can see the file but i cannot download it. Help please.
[11:36] <HappyFool> learn25: what error do you get?
[11:36] <learn25> error copying file
[11:36] <z|bandito> there are instructions on how to build in the unix-installation.readme.txt file, so i guess you would recommend then using aptitude to install the .deb by sudo aptitude install bittorrent.deb ? :)
[11:36] <HappyFool> learn25: this is in your ftp client? (i.e., on the remote computer)
[11:36] <learn25> yah
[11:36] <HappyFool> z|bandito: no, aptitude is for installing from repositories. Use dpkg to install .deb files
[11:37] <learn25> on the remote machine i can see the files but unable to download it
[11:37] <z|bandito> hm ok.  :)
[11:37] <HappyFool> learn25: make sure the permissions on the file are correct. try 'chmod o+r <filename>' on the server
[11:37] <learn25> the owner is root
[11:37] <HappyFool> learn25: where <filename> is to be replaced by the actual filename
[11:38] <HappyFool> learn25: o+r gives all users read access to the file
[11:39] <z|bandito> heh.. I can't seem to locate where it build the .deb to.. :s
[11:39] <learn25> how about if i'll make my /home/ftp directory accessible to all users?
[11:39] <HappyFool> learn25: the permissions on the file itself also need to be correct
[11:40] <z|bandito> oh nm
[11:40] <z|bandito> there are some other instructions to follow still.. sorry
[11:40] <learn25> ok. but i have many files in my ftp folder
[11:40] <z|bandito> thanks for the help
[11:40] <gorilla_> HappyFool, no.. a+r gives all user read access to the files... o+r will allow the owner of the file to be able to read it.
[11:41] <HappyFool> learn25: 'chmod -R a+r *'
[11:41] <HappyFool> gorilla_: yeah, i wondered about that. odd how you can give non-owner and non-group only permission to read ;)
[11:41] <HappyFool> o is other, u is 'owner' (user)
[11:41] <TheQ> I'm a new Linuxuser. never done anything with it. got ubunto.  how do i install programms? with the terminal? how? what comandoline?
[11:41] <gorilla_> HappyFool, yes but there for completeness :-)
[11:42] <HappyFool> so o+r ought to work, assuming the permissions are reasonable
[11:42] <gorilla_> HappyFool, opps you are right on that one :-)
[11:42] <HappyFool> TheQ: have you installed ubuntu already?
[11:42] <TheQ> HappyFool: sure. i'm using it right now#
[11:43] <HappyFool> TheQ: great. You can install software using a tool called synaptic. You can find it from the menu at the top, via 'System -> Administration -> Synaptic'
[11:44] <HappyFool> TheQ: by default it will only install software from the install CD. You can tell it to install software from the ubuntu website as well
[11:44] <iLLf8d> noobs
[11:45] <TheQ> HappyFool, and what about package i downloadet. eg (*g*)  xmule
[11:45] <Puff-n-Stuff> morning all.
[11:47] <iLLf8d> man i'm tired
[11:47] <synd> how do i give ubuntu a jump start for its ethernet connection w/o having to reboot?
[11:48] <HappyFool> TheQ: xmule is available via synaptic
[11:48] <spikeh`zzzz> How would I dual-boot Ubuntu and Windows XP?
[11:48] <Puff-n-Stuff> try /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:49] <spikeh> For dual-boot, tutorials are asking for "GRUB" or "LILO", does Ubuntu include those?
[11:49] <TheQ> HappyFool: do not find it. am i stupid ? lol.  TOO LONG WINDOWS USER *GGGGG*
[11:49] <HappyFool> TheQ: as i said, synaptic by default only installs from the cd
[11:49] <Puff-n-Stuff> spikeh, install XP, leaving room for ubuntu..then install ubuntu...ubuntu should configure GRUB automagically.
[11:49] <HappyFool> TheQ: xmule is in the 'universe' repository; you need to tell synaptic to use that
[11:49] <Puff-n-Stuff> spikeh, it does for win2k anyhow.
[11:49] <spikeh> Okay
[11:50] <randabis> hi folks
[11:50] <synd> spikeh: yes, its easier if you install Win (or have it installed already) then install Ubuntu
[11:50] <gorilla_> synd, try /etc/init.d/network restart but it'll probably be easier to reboot.
[11:50] <spikeh> So Ubuntu would install GRUB on /boot and not the MBR
[11:50] <spikeh> Otherwise XP/2k would not boot up
[11:50] <Puff-n-Stuff> spikeh, the way I do it is to boot with ubuntu livecd first, create a 50meg boot partition, then reboot and install windows, then install ubuntu..
[11:50] <synd> gorilla_: reboot just to re-establish connection? seems soo windows-ish :P
[11:50] <xoz> gorilla_: you must be kddng
[11:51] <Jesse1> ik
[11:51] <HappyFool> TheQ: in synaptic, go to 'Settings -> Repositories', then choose 'Add', and tick all the boxes there (one of them should say 'universe')
[11:51] <MyKq3> is there any way to boostup firefox loading time? ( like reloading it to memory at startup ?)
[11:51] <Puff-n-Stuff> spikeh, it installs a /boot directory and puts GRUB bootable stage1 in the MBR....
[11:51] <gorilla_> synd, yes but you sometime need to restart services which need to come up in order....
[11:51] <TheQ> HappyFool: and how can i do this? :-|  o0O( what means universe in german )
[11:51] <spikeh> "Install GRUB on the first sector of the /boot partition. DO NOT INSTALL IT ON THE MBR!." is what the guide is telling me
[11:51] <HappyFool> um. universe is something like 'heelal' in dutch -- not sure about german
[11:52] <gorilla_> spikeh, which guide... please don't say ubuntuguide.org..
[11:52] <spikeh> No, its not
[11:52] <HappyFool> universe is just the name for non-supported software in ubuntu
[11:52] <Puff-n-Stuff> spikeh, I just let ubuntu do what it wants to do and it works...but I always create that /boot partition manually first before installing windows...that way it is at the beginning of the drive.
[11:52] <spikeh> Is that for the 1024 cylinder limit?
[11:52] <iLLf8d> HappyFool, non ubuntu supported or non debian supported?
[11:53] <TheQ> HAPPYFOOL: OK found it!! in German its 'Multiverse'
[11:53] <HappyFool> iLLf8d: non-ubuntu supported, or at least non-canonical supported
[11:53] <gorilla_> spikeh, yes it is but the 1024 cyl. limit has been fixed in both grub and lilo..
[11:53] <Puff-n-Stuff> spikeh, well, its a holdover for that in my case as that is what I am used to...
[11:53] <Puff-n-Stuff> but its also good practice.
[11:53] <HappyFool> iLLf8d: i think the promises re 18 months of security updates etc. do not apply to universe
[11:53] <Puff-n-Stuff> that way you can reinstall linux and not thrash GRUB..
[11:53] <ufo> where do I put a command that I want to be executed when ubuntu is starting up?
[11:54] <HappyFool> TheQ: no, it's still universe. multiverse is something else
[11:54] <TheQ> I LIKE UBUNTO !!!  GRAFICAL I LIKE IT MORE THAN DAMM WINDOWS
[11:54] <HappyFool> TheQ: you probably want multiverse too
[11:54] <spikeh> So how would I create the 50meg partition in Ubuntu for the /boot whilst creating other partitions for Windows and Ubuntu in the LiveCD?
[11:55] <HappyFool> ufo: take a look at /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[11:55] <TheQ> HappyFool: hmmm.  nono. i klicked on multiverese. now there stands universe ANd multiverse in the 'left choice folder' (don
[11:55] <ufo> HappyFool, 10x.
[11:56] <Puff-n-Stuff> spikeh, boot the livecd....open a console and run fdisk
[11:56] <HappyFool> TheQ: ok. make sure 'main' and 'restricted' are also selected
[11:56] <Puff-n-Stuff> make a linux partition
[11:56] <spikeh> ..If I can get online with the Live CD, could you talk me through it please?
[11:56] <Puff-n-Stuff> then reboot and install windows...windows has its own partition creator...
[11:56] <Puff-n-Stuff> Im online with the livecd right now myself.
[11:56] <spikeh> Oh I see
[11:56] <Puff-n-Stuff> I screwed my system royally last night.
[11:56] <spikeh> Last time I used the LiveCD, I can't get X-Chat to work
[11:57] <sarmiento> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match the kernel?
[11:57] <spikeh> It says something about compiling
[11:57] <gorilla_> sarmiento, /usr/src/{kernel_name&version} :-)
[11:57] <HappyFool> sarmiento: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build should be a symlink to the correct directory
[11:58] <Puff-n-Stuff> running ubuntu, I started vmware and was messing with booting vmware from physical drive..trying to boot the windows partition..and booted the linux partition by mistake...have so far lost everything on the linux partition...destroyed it..
[11:58] <sarmiento> HappyFool, ok
[11:58] <Puff-n-Stuff> spikeh, you shouldnt have to compile xchat on the 5.04 livecd...
[11:58] <spikeh> Oh
[11:58] <spikeh> It said compiling on the website or something
[11:58] <spikeh> =|
[11:59] <synd> i just installed Ubuntu and its having touble connecting.. like it can browse the net fine it seems, but trying to connect with x-chat and gaim dont work
[12:00] <TheQ> HappyFool: ist done... So as i understand it right. Synapic is sometihng like a window,ican download the newest supports for ubunto. like tool
[12:00] <TheQ> HappyFool: that is great.
[12:00] <Puff-n-Stuff> spikeh, its compiled and ready to go on the livecd..
[12:00] <HappyFool> TheQ: yes
[12:00] <spikeh> Okay, that's good
[12:01] <HappyFool> TheQ: in the 'Add' dialog box (where you added multiverse/universe) make sure that you've also added updates and security-updates
[12:01] <spikeh> Could I still place GRUB outside of the MBR?
[12:01] <HappyFool> TheQ: you can choose those with the button at the top of the add dialog box
[12:01] <TheQ> HappyFool: VERRY GOOD SUPPORT!! :)) I added ALL.
[12:02] <Puff-n-Stuff> spikeh, you could but why?  you still need a bootloader in the MBR..
[12:02] <HappyFool> TheQ: then you should be able to use the 'Mark all upgrades' and 'Apply' buttons to update your system
[12:02] <spikeh> If I put GRUB within the MBR, XP/2k would not boot up
[12:02] <spikeh> XP/2k would be the bootloader?
[12:03] <Puff-n-Stuff> spikeh, you install windows..it installs its own bootloader..then you install ubuntu and it installs GRUB which has a chainloader to load windows...
[12:03] <spikeh> I've read from the Internet and forums that with the default settings Ubuntu overwrites and XP/2k fails to boot
[12:03] <TheQ> HappyFool: i'll do it... But first i need to learn more about this system.  i know nothing about ubunto, but i like ti every minute more :)
[12:04] <Puff-n-Stuff> I dont know about XP but the multiboot bootloader for win2k sucks and wont load ubuntu for me...but GRUB installed with ubuntu will boot win2k.
[12:04] <HappyFool> TheQ: ok. you can find out lots more about ubuntu here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:04] <sarmiento> I hadn't the headers so i'm going to download :)
[12:04] <HappyFool> my XP boots fine from grub, and it was automatically setup for me
[12:04] <TheQ> HappyFool: i have learned about linux on the german LinuxTag!! have u heard about this event?
[12:05] <HappyFool> sarmiento: install linux-headers-386 (or -686 or -k7, depending on your kernel version)
[12:05] <HappyFool> TheQ: I've heard of it, yeah. apparently they were handing out knoppix dvd's ?
[12:05] <sarmiento> There are some good howto for compilig the kernel? for debain or ubuntu?
[12:06] <IceDC571> how would i change a new filesystem to have write access from everyone?
[12:06] <HappyFool> sarmiento: on the wiki. Search this page for 'kernel': https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TitleIndex
[12:06] <HappyFool> sarmiento: why do you need a new kernel?
[12:06] <TheQ> HappyFool: RedHat, All BSD sections, MPlayer, AfterSteps... knoppix dvd's ?? NO A Debian3.1 DVD 2005 Edition. Its FULL with mostly everithin ucan get for linux
[12:06] <HappyFool> IceDC571: what type of filesystem ?
[12:07] <IceDC571> HappyFool: ext3
[12:07] <HappyFool> TheQ: ok, guess i heard wrong. sounds like linuxtag is fun
[12:07] <sarmiento> I like compiling a minimalistic kernel
[12:07] <HappyFool> sarmiento: probably not worth it, but whatever makes you happy *shrug*
[12:07] <sarmiento> yes
[12:08] <TheQ> HappyFool: yes. it was funny.  and there was a lot of americans !! also som opensorce game devellopers.
[12:09] <HappyFool> IceDC571: hrm. i suppose setting permissions on the mount point doesn't help? (chmod a+rwx /path/to/mount)
[12:09] <IceDC571> lets see
[12:09] <sarmiento> When I used slackware always compiling my kernel...
[12:10] <IceDC571> HappyFool: that worked :) Thanks
[12:10] <HappyFool> IceDC571: lucky guess ;)
[12:10] <Seveas> sarmiento, that's because on slack it might have been neccessary, on Ubuntu that is rarely the case...
[12:11] <TheQ> HappyFool: annyway. THX a lott  for your help.  now i know how to keep my sys up to date!! wish u nice day! Bye @ all
[12:11] <HappyFool> cheers TheQ
[12:11] <lsuactiafner> sarmiento : install build-essential and ncurses
[12:11] <lsuactiafner> from there you can compile your own
[12:12] <sarmiento> what is that?
[12:12] <lsuactiafner> also found apt-get build-dep package very nice, so you can get deps for X xmms mplayer ect by that time you will have 700mb of dependancies and you will be able to compile anything like you did on slackware
[12:12] <Ubuntian> how do i launch an install.sh again?
[12:12] <lsuactiafner> sarmiento : developments tools, so you can compile your own kernel
[12:13] <IceDC571> Ubuntian: sh install.sh>
[12:13] <Ubuntian> k thanks
[12:13] <lsuactiafner> sh install.sh
[12:13] <Ubuntian> sudo?
[12:13] <IceDC571> yep
[12:13] <Ubuntian> k
[12:13] <IceDC571> forget my arrow at the end
[12:13] <sarmiento> and some manual?
[12:13] <lsuactiafner> i got around  800mb of development tools and dependancies now, redid init.d and now its like slackware with ubuntu atvantages
[12:15] <sarmiento> when you compile the kernel you can install the restricted modules from apt-get in you new kernel?
[12:15] <IceDC571> um.. that sounds a little strange
[12:16] <lsuactiafner> no idea, i compile what i need with patches ect
[12:16] <lsuactiafner> and nvidia i get from nvidia.com
[12:16] <lsuactiafner> bbl
[12:17] <t4rd> How do I compile the internet?  I want to install it does the entire internet come in source rpms?  Give me your html!
[12:17] <Frafra> hi all
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> sorry, I wanted to say that
[12:17] <Frafra> x works on breezy?
[12:17] <HappyFool> t4rd: i think you want #gentoo
[12:17] <HappyFool> ;)
[12:18] <t4rd> I want the whole internet, you know some packages don't contain the small sites, they are a ripoff if they weren't free
[12:19] <sarmiento> but when install the kernel from nvidia.com the results arent't good
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> goodnight everyone
[12:20] <sarmiento> I think that nvidia drivers form dnvida.com patch the other kernel
[12:20] <HappyFool> sarmiento: that is unlikely, since one does not have to recompile the kernel to install the nvidia drivers
[12:21] <HappyFool> yay, scorched 3d downloaded at last
[12:21] <Albaraha> how do I tell apt to ignore a package when it's broken?
[12:22] <sarmiento> I have problems with tue dma
[12:22] <sarmiento> I can't acteivate
[12:23] <sarmiento> /dev/hda:
[12:23] <sarmiento>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[12:23] <sarmiento>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[12:23] <sarmiento>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[12:23] <Albaraha> sarmiento, what's tue?
[12:23] <zEraCos> it says ubuntu requires at least 128mb of ram. is that for the live cd or the installed system?
[12:24] <sarmiento> tue= the
[12:24] <sarmiento> :)
[12:24] <Seveas> sarmiento, sudo hdparm (if you do that: load the drivers for your motherboard instead of ide_generic)
[12:26] <Albaraha> zEraCos, That's for Live CD
[12:26] <learn25> hi all!
[12:27] <learn25> Help please. how to check my free disk space in ubuntu?
[12:27] <Seveas> Albaraha, i'd say the live CD needs at least the double...
[12:27] <Seveas> learn25, df -h
[12:27] <Bigglez> test
[12:27] <Bigglez> hello?
[12:27] <learn25> thanks Saveas :)
[12:28] <Bigglez> Hello - can anyone help me with a Synaptic question?
[12:28] <z|bandito> whats the question
[12:28] <Seveas> learn25, http://www.marzocca.net/linux/baobab.html
[12:28] <z|bandito> how do you use the VESA driver?
[12:28] <Seveas> Bigglez, read the topic: just ask :)
[12:28] <Bigglez> Hi - I want to put some packages onto a CD for offline install
[12:28] <Bigglez> Is that possible?
[12:29] <Albaraha> Seveas, That's what's written on the CD cover
[12:29] <z|bandito> you could put .deb packages on a cD
[12:29] <zEraCos> Albaraha: and for the installed system.. ?
[12:29] <Bigglez> I am on Fedora 3, but I am setting-up an machine for another person. They have no internet.
[12:29] <Bigglez> That machine is Kubuntu
[12:29] <Albaraha> at least 32MB
[12:30] <zEraCos> ok
[12:30] <Bigglez> If you go to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/q/qcad/ you will see that there is a lot of stuff. Which .deb files do I need?
[12:30] <zEraCos> Albaraha: my cdrom is a bit old.. so it doesnt read cds that well.. is there a possibility for a network install of ubuntu?
[12:30] <Seveas> Albaraha, well, that is indeed the minimum to run it. To run it a bit smooth, 256-512 mb is required :)
[12:31] <Seveas> Bigglez, download packages from http://packages.ubuntu.com
[12:31] <Seveas> Bigglez, then you get the correct version for Hoary
[12:31] <zEraCos> Seveas: my specs are, p3 500mhz,64mbram and 2gb hd
[12:31] <Bigglez> Seveas - so I only need the .deb files then? No fancy stuff for Synaptic?
[12:31] <Seveas> zEraCos, The livecd will be painful, an installed system with xfce instead of gnome will run.
[12:31] <Seveas> Bigglez, indeed
[12:32] <Seveas> Bigglez, packages.ubuntu.com also indicates dependencies :)
[12:32] <Seveas> so you know what to download too
[12:32] <lsuactiafner> if vobcopy doesnt copy a dvd correctly, is it copy protection or is it scratches on the dvd?
[12:32] <lsuactiafner> also, what else but vobcopy works?
[12:32] <Bigglez> Thanks Seveas - I am off to try my luck. Will be back if it don't work!
[12:33] <Albaraha> zEraCos, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28948
[12:34] <zEraCos> is my 2gb hd enough ?
[12:34] <zEraCos> hmm
[12:34] <zEraCos> doesnt seem so
[12:35] <Seveas> it'll be a bit too small
[12:35] <P3L|C4N0> Bigglez Hi - I want to put some packages onto a CD for offline install -- man apt-cdrom
[12:35] <lsuactiafner> zEraCos : only install a base system and add packages you need from there
[12:35] <lsuactiafner> should be under 2G in the end
[12:36] <Seveas> P3L|C4N0, that'll only work if you are on an Ubuntu or Debian system...
[12:36] <Seveas> And he's on FC himself
[12:36] <zEraCos> ok, I probably need swap also.. but exactly how much space does the base system take?
[12:36] <lsuactiafner> not sure.. but cant be 2G
[12:36] <lsuactiafner> how much ram?
[12:36] <zEraCos> 64
[12:37] <zEraCos> cpu is 500mhz
[12:37] <zEraCos> p3
[12:37] <z|bandito> 128 iirc
[12:37] <lsuactiafner> eek
[12:37] <lsuactiafner> err
[12:37] <z|bandito> o nm
[12:37] <lsuactiafner> ok 128+64 ram
[12:37] <lsuactiafner> hmm
[12:37] <lsuactiafner> no make it 256 swap
[12:37] <zEraCos> ok
[12:37] <lsuactiafner> and install a base, unselect all the packages but those that run the system
[12:38] <lsuactiafner> would help if you dont install a GUI right away
[12:38] <lsuactiafner> but blackbox would be cool
[12:38] <Seveas> indeed
[12:38] <Seveas> fluxbox
[12:38] <lsuactiafner> heh Seveas : you should see my screen shot
[12:38] <zEraCos> ok I will go for the nocd installation..
[12:38] <lsuactiafner> mplayer -rootwin rocks, got kate moss pole dancin as my animated desktop background
[12:38] <_randabis> I'm running kde 3.4.1 on a pentium 3 450 mhz laptop with 224 mb of ram with little problems
[12:38] <Seveas> lol lsuactiafner :)
[12:39] <zEraCos> ok
[12:39] <_randabis> sure it isn't the fastest thing in the world but it isn't unbearably slow either
[12:39] <zEraCos> does ubuntu use xorg or xfree?
[12:39] <_randabis> x.org
[12:39] <zEraCos> k
[12:39] <_randabis> the latest iirc unless a new release came out recently
[12:41] <_randabis> heh I'm in a hotel atm using their free high speed access :p
[12:41] <zEraCos> cool man
[12:41] <_randabis> our 18 wheeler broke down and it isn't gonna get fixed until tuesday at least :/
[12:41] <DrX> Hi I have installed Ubuntu(actualy kubuntu) on my laptop and it worked great until yesterday when I turned it off instead of showing a konsole after closing X there was just a bunch of different colours, today X crashed and the screen showed a stripe pattern with colours, anyone know what can cause this ? it doesn't seem like a healthy sign :)
[12:42] <DrX> I don't want to go back to WinXP again
[12:43] <korCZiz> i am worry because everywhere in my company is used winxp
[12:43] <randabis> that's a doozy
[12:45] <Fr0Gs> dean@ubuntu:~ $ skype
[12:45] <Fr0Gs> skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:45] <Fr0Gs> dean@ubuntu:~ $
[12:45] <Fr0Gs> can i get some help?
[12:46] <HappyFool> Fr0Gs: does this help: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto ?
[12:46] <Fr0Gs> thank you HappyFool
[12:46] <Raptoid> ubuntu 5.04 vs. ubuntu 5.10 ?
[12:47] <_4strO> ( Systme d'exploitation ) Linux Ubuntu 5.04 - hoary Noyau: 2.6.10-5-k7, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | Desktop: Gnome v2.1.0 | Client IRC: X-Chat v.2.4.1
[12:47] <_4strO> ultragum> is this better ?
[12:47] <_4strO> :p)
[12:47] <Raptoid> 5.10 ?
[12:48] <Raptoid> what s upgrade 5.04 5.10
[12:48] <Raptoid> ?
[12:48] <HappyFool> Raptoid: 5.10 will be released in October of this year
[12:48] <Vjaz> raphinou, What are you trying to ask? 5.10 is the development release.
[12:48] <adwait> hello there
[12:49] <phycho_> lo
[12:49] <ultragum> _4strO: what?
[12:49] <Will__> Doctor+7of9 singing 'You are my Sunshine'. Classic ST
[12:49] <_4strO> i recieved a CTCP version from u
[12:51] <adwait> hm........nobody seems top be having any problems this eveing
[12:52] <adwait> ping
[12:52] <Fr0Gs> HappyFool, will ubuntu 5.10 have support for a ATI Radeon 9600XT 256mb
[12:52] <gorilla_> poing!
[12:52] <adwait> gorilla_: :D
[12:53] <z|bandito> how do you use the VESA driver?
[12:53] <gorilla_> adwait, I'm more of a fan of sonar than table tennis :-D
[12:53] <adwait> heh
[12:54] <Fr0Gs> does anyone know if Ubuntu 5.10 will have proper support for an ATI Radeon 9600XT 256mb
[12:55] <HappyFool> Fr0Gs: not a clue, sorry
[12:55] <signbarn> I installed smeg through Synaptic, and when I run it, it gives me the busy icon for a bit and eventually does nothing. When I run it from a terminal I get some weird printouts
[12:55] <DrX> adwait: i got a problem with my laptop if you are interested i can paste my question again :)
[12:55] <slept> does anyone know how to solve this : kernel-panic : not syncing - VFS: unable to mount root on unknowen block (0,0) ?
[12:56] <phycho_> that when compiling a 2.6 kernel by any chance?
[12:56] <phycho_> (after install + reboot)
[12:57] <tony> does anyone know how to update firefox, my current version is 1.02 and i notice a newwer version is out 1.04 but the package manager does not advise me of an update
[12:58] <slept> phycho, no it's a precompiled one
[12:59] <phycho> ah k
[12:59] <ua> hi; i'm trying to setup software raid boot on a system that wasn't installed with software raid (raid1).  what modules do i need in the initrd; i can't see the md devices on boot.
[12:59] <phycho> no idea then.. i had that problem with one i had compiled myself
[01:00] <queuetue> Is there a GUI tool for administering a Samba server?
[01:00] <ua> anybody?
[01:01] <Will__> queuetue: webmin does it. I believe ubuntu comes with a tool to do it
[01:01] <fanmaris> greets people
[01:02] <queuetue> Will__, Do you have any idea where it is instlled, or what it is named?
[01:02] <HappyFool> tony: firefox 1.04 fixes have been backported to ubuntu firefox. The version number is not bumped, however
[01:02] <HappyFool> tony: if you need to get into the extensions site on mozilla.org, you can tweak the version number firefox reports
[01:02] <Will__> queuetue: Well, I use System>Administratior>Shared Folders myself
[01:03] <tony> happyFool: cheers, tks
[01:03] <slept> queuetue, use swat  if you want it for a server
[01:03] <fanmaris> i have problem with screen resolution in gnome..
[01:03] <Will__> queuetue: What are you trying to do, that you need a gui tool?
[01:03] <Will__> slept: Of course! I'd forgotten about that
[01:03] <fanmaris> can`t change it :-(
[01:04] <queuetue> Will__, Does "shared Folders" do smbpasswd, etc?
[01:04] <Will__> queuetue: http://ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver
[01:05] <ua> hello? anybody? any clues? how to manually get software1 raid detected at the initrd level in hoary?
[01:06] <queuetue> So, using the command line is reequired?  I don't mind at all, but the client wh owns the computer will be too intimidated.
[01:06] <queuetue> What other options do I have for sharing files with OSX?
[01:06] <queuetue> Appletalk?
[01:06] <Will__> queuetue: That guide will show you how to do it. Easily.
[01:07] <Will__> NFS might work. Never used it myself
[01:07] <fanmaris> Can you help me ? Anybody?
[01:07] <queuetue> Will__, The guide you just showed me shows how to use a GUI to modify user accounts for samba?
[01:08] <SrRaven> anyone here,i ordered the cds a while ago and they still arent here
[01:08] <Will__> queuetue: Text files.
[01:08] <SrRaven> msg nickserv register boobies
[01:08] <queuetue> I think it takes a while - they need to collect enough orders to make a batch... (If I recall.)
[01:08] <gorilla_> SrRaven, they do arrive... mine took about 6 or seven weeks... but they were hoary :-)
[01:08] <ua> does anybody have any experiences in creating generic initrd images, or am i talking to the wall?
[01:08] <queuetue> SrRaven, change your password.
[01:08] <SrRaven> k
[01:09] <SrRaven> buuh
[01:09] <davro> yup i ordered some cd and they never turned up unless the dog stole/eat them.
[01:09] <bimberi> fanmaris: This might help you - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:09] <SrRaven> dont know how to change pw AND can it be that i ordered wrong im from germany and had some problems filling stuff into fields because i werent sure about stuff
[01:09] <fanmaris> ok thank you..
[01:10] <IIIEars> davro - gotta watch the mailman. - mistook the ubuntu CDs for aol? - grin
[01:10] <Nova-A001> whats the quickest way to add support to Totem for all the video and audio formats? Everytime i try to play anything it just fails.
[01:11] <littlefae> Hiya people.
[01:11] <bimberi> Nova-A001: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:11] <littlefae> Can someone help me with a folder-sharing connundrum?
[01:12] <Nova-A001> ok, thank you.
[01:12] <bimberi> np :)
[01:12] <IIIEars> Nova-A001 - everyone has a favorite player. i am kind of partial to VideoLAN  (VLC) for DVDs and XMMS for music. - totem didn't work for me either. <shrug>
[01:12] <Will__> littlefae: Ask the question. To the room
[01:12] <littlefae> I did.  I don't know how to set up shared folders on *nix
[01:12] <Nova-A001> I just want to be able to play _anything_ .
[01:12] <Nova-A001> what can totem do out of the box?
[01:13] <Will__> littlefae: http://ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver
[01:13] <slept> littlefae, either nfs or samba depends if you want to share with windows or not
[01:14] <IIIEars> Nova-A001 - Sound is muted by default in Ubuntu check that first. - then grab XMMS - i use totem to make my app list look longer, thats about it.
[01:15] <Will__> Wanna fight?
[01:15] <signbarn> Totem is working well for me
[01:17] <IIIEars> Anyone recall the video player that uses a pair of sunglasses as it's logo? - the name escapes me now but it worked great.
[01:18] <daddius> hello
[01:18] <daddius> anyone home?
[01:18] <daddius> i neeed some serous help
[01:19] <Seveas> daddius, read the topic: just ask :)
[01:19] <IIIEars> !nvidia
[01:19] <ubotu> rumour has it, nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:19] <Seveas> !IIIEars
[01:19] <ubotu> hmm... iiiears is one of my teachers
[01:19] <Seveas> :)
[01:19] <daddius> i have just installed this great distro... one problem... i never set root account passwd
[01:19] <Seveas> daddius, correct
[01:19] <Seveas> there is no root password :)
[01:19] <Seveas> daddius: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[01:19] <daddius> what
[01:20] <daddius> i am confused
[01:20] <daddius> then who is root?
[01:20] <Seveas> Ubuntu uses the much safer and much more versatile sudo approach, which gets rid of a required root account
[01:20] <Seveas> daddius, read that page :)
[01:21] <signbarn> the user you did create is an admin, so you use that password for sudo (as i understand it)
[01:21] <daddius> ok ok
[01:21] <daddius> i think i understand
[01:21] <Seveas> signbarn, correct
[01:21] <daddius> i mean i am not new to sudo but this concept i guess
[01:21] <Seveas> The initial user is added to the sudoers file
[01:22] <Seveas> as is the admin group
[01:22] <daddius> is it possible to make custom kernels?
[01:22] <Seveas> daddius, please try to stick to it instead of setting a root password, you'll learn to appreciate it :)
[01:22] <Seveas> daddius, of course :)
[01:22] <daddius> Seveas, no problem...
[01:22] <Seveas> The best approach is to start with the ubuntu sources and apply patches to that (or simpy editing the .config)
[01:23] <Seveas> daddius: You can find compilation instructions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[01:23] <Seveas> make-kpkg rocks :)
[01:23] <daddius> i think i will wait and play around
[01:24] <littlefae> I want one that mimics MS-DOS. ^_~
[01:24] <Will__> If I do su to root, does that make me a bad person?
[01:24] <phycho> no :P
[01:24] <lsuactiafner> Will__ : no
[01:25] <DrX> Hi I have installed Ubuntu(actualy kubuntu) on my laptop and it worked great until yesterday when I turned it off instead of showing a konsole after closing X there was just a bunch of different colours, today X crashed and the screen showed a stripe pattern with colours, anyone know what can cause this ? it doesn't seem like a healthy sign :)
[01:25] <Will__> Oh! I have one. Anybody know a way to scroll workspaces using the mouse wheel under gnome? It works when I mouse-over the workspace switcher, but I'd like it to work when I am over the desktop/root window also
[01:25] <lsuactiafner> DrX : electromagnetic solar pulses
[01:25] <littlefae> I get that DrX
[01:25] <psychonate> I have a process that will not die.
[01:25] <Seveas> Will__, yes :) sudo -i is the Ubuntu way to get a root shell
[01:25] <littlefae> Except for the crashes, anyway
[01:26] <Will__> Seveas: *grin* I know. Old habits.
[01:26] <lsuactiafner> psychonate : killall -9 name_of_program
[01:26] <littlefae> On my laptop, it's because my A/V chipset does both sound and video, sound corrupts the image from time to time
[01:26] <Seveas> kill -9 pid_of_program
[01:26] <psychonate> Cdrecord is trying to fixate a CDRW after a write, but just can't do it. And kill and killall -9 aren't killing it.
[01:26] <ptiseb> fr?
[01:26] <psychonate> Anyway, it's been going for about 6 hours now.
[01:27] <Seveas> psychonate, might be an I/O hang, which is a kernel thing and cannot be interrupted...
[01:27] <Seveas> rebooting might then be the only way...
[01:27] <DrX> littlefae: what kind of laptop do you have ?
[01:27] <psychonate> This pains me greatly
[01:27] <Seveas> ptiseb, #ubuntu-fr est le canal francophone...
[01:27] <psychonate> Reboots are my arch enemy.
[01:27] <littlefae> An El Classique laptop.  Dell CPt C-series, Celery Stick 333Mhz, Mediamagic AV chipset, 128MB RAM
[01:27] <psychonate> Each time I reboot, I feel as if I need to break something nearby.
[01:28] <Seveas> :)
[01:28] <psychonate> well, my day is not started well it seems :(
[01:28] <kyncani> psychonate: yeah, this kernel bug is really nasty ... maybe try to kill -CONT the process or "eject /dev/thecd"
[01:28] <psychonate> I tried eject
[01:29] <signbarn> if i have a .deb package, how do i go about installing it?
[01:29] <psychonate> here goes reboot
[01:29] <littlefae> OOoh, someone from the UK. ^_^
[01:29] <DrX> littlefae: do you know if this is fixable or something i have to live with ? (Im worried it might damage the computer)
[01:29] <HappyFool> signbarn: 'sudo dpkg -i <debfile>'
[01:29] <littlefae> As long as it's only graphical corruption, it's liveable.  However, you can help it by reducing some video settings, at least it works on my lappy. :)
[01:29] <signbarn> thanks, HappyFool :-)
[01:29] <Iruka> in KDE (ubuntu+kubuntu packages), if I add xterm to the menus it works fine, but if I also add a shortcut key and use that, it launches it OK once, and after I quit it KDE says "KDEInit could not launch 'xterm'.". If I try to launch two xterms at once, it grabs the keyboard (only mouse works), and even ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't work. (I didn't even know it could do that!) Any idea how to solve that (except "don't do that then!" :-P)
[01:30] <signbarn> and after the install, is the .deb forgotten? (can i delete it?)
[01:30] <cas-> Hi, I'm a happy new user who like to use ubuntu with my Nikon firewire scanner, I was amazed everything worked like a charm but I've one problem. Only root can access the scanner.
[01:30] <davro> ubuntu made number 1 across the distrowatch boards!
[01:31] <cas-> How can I change the permissions of it?
[01:31] <_SWAT_> Anyone here got experience with Fluxbox/XFCE/Enlightentment on Ubuntu? (are they good/bad?) I want to really pimp my desktop :D
[01:31] <jeroen_> Iruka, file a bug
[01:31] <DrX> littlefae: its not a small corruption the screen doesn't resemble the desktop at all just a bunch of coloured stripes
[01:31] <cas-> _SWAT_, pimping is very porsonal, just try them out, i like fluxbox the most of those three
[01:31] <bimberi> cas-: Check that the user is a member of the "scanner" group
[01:32] <Seveas> signbarn, yes
[01:32] <littlefae> Yep same as mine
[01:32] <signbarn> that's how i happened upon ubuntu -- distrowatch. i'm brand new to linux, so i'm soaking in as much as i can, and i'm proud to be a part of this distro :-)
[01:32] <jeroen_> _SWAT_, I've tried KDE and XFCE, and they work. XFCE is nice because it's really fast
[01:32] <DrX> littlefae: how do you restore the desktop ? do you have to reboot ?
[01:32] <littlefae> Total screen corruption
[01:32] <Seveas> davro,  look at /topic
[01:32] <Seveas> :)
[01:32] <_SWAT_> cas-, is fluxbox 'fast' and is it difficult to config?
[01:32] <Seveas> _SWAT_, both yes :)
[01:32] <_SWAT_> jeroen_, XFCE is faster than gnome?
[01:32] <cas-> bimberi, yes the users are in that group
[01:32] <littlefae> Like I said, never had a crash from it, just the corruption.  Tried the grub option for safe mode?
[01:33] <davro> SWAT if you want to pimp your desktop then, Blackbox Fluxbox is out of the question as it is a window manager, but a good one at that.
[01:33] <jeroen_> _SWAT_, yes
[01:33] <Seveas> _SWAT_, again yes :)
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> _SWAT_ : use blackbox and try mplayer -rootwin file.avi
[01:33] <bimberi> k
[01:33] <Will__> I use blackbox on my windows box. Have done for over a year now
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> fluxbox and blackbox is fast
[01:33] <daddius> hey, where can i find gcc?
[01:33] <_SWAT_> hehehehe thnx guys :)
[01:33] <jeroen_> daddius, you can just install it
[01:34] <davro> fluxbox as got the tabbed application that rock harder than a granny in a rocking chair.
[01:34] <lsuactiafner> daddius : apt-get install build-essential
[01:34] <jeroen_> daddius, if you want to build things, install "build-essential"
[01:34] <DrX> littlefae: no never tried safe mode, what's the difference ? (I thought safe mode only was for recovery)
[01:34] <_SWAT_> davro, ROFL
[01:34] <littlefae> Thought you were trying to recover though? O_o
[01:34] <lsuactiafner> ftp://ftp.uunet.co.za/pub/incoming/draconis/bb0.jpg <-- might still be up
[01:35] <_SWAT_> lsuactiafner, why should I try "mplayer -rootwin file.avi" ? Will it hang or gwhat?
[01:35] <cas-> bimberi, Maybe because my scanner is seen as a scsi device it isn't reconised as a scanner? Any other methods I can set permissions on devices?
[01:35] <lsuactiafner> _SWAT_ : no, it will play a vid as your background, basically, an animated background
[01:35] <lsuactiafner> i got kate moss pole dancin as my background..
[01:35] <Will__> blahaha
[01:36] <_SWAT_> lsuactiafner, nice url by the way (it's still up)
[01:36] <_SWAT_> lsuactiafner, that's way cool :) (animated background)
[01:36] <lsuactiafner> mplayer -nortc -rootwin -loop 0 -fs -hardframedrop something.avi
[01:36] <DrX> littlefae: the computer works fine after a reboot but Im worried that this error will cause damage to the graphic card or something, thought it could be a common bug
[01:37] <lsuactiafner> uses around 0.8 upto 5% dependin on loads and quality i want
[01:37] <bimberi> cas-: Unfortunately I'm not near the PC that I set up with the scanner (it's at work).
[01:37] <littlefae> It is, on devices with shared memory for audio and video, I've seen it on a dozen laptops
[01:37] <lsuactiafner> -lavdopts lowres=1 -vfm ffmpeg doesnt use much cpu but it doesnt look as nice
[01:38] <cas-> anyone else know how to set permissions on hardware, I really have no idea what to look for :(
[01:38] <_SWAT_> lsuactiafner, thnx for the input :D
[01:38] <littlefae> chmod?
[01:38] <DrX> littlefae: ok good, well not good but at least it's not just me :) thanks for the info
[01:38] <cas-> chmod /dev/sg0 ?
[01:38] <lsuactiafner> blackbox rocks.. its old, its small, but it rocks
[01:38] <cas-> thats an idea tnx littlefae
[01:38] <littlefae> I guess. :)  Changes permissions after all
[01:38] <HappyFool> cas-: what do you want to do ?
[01:39] <cas-> HappyFool, let normal users acces my scanner
[01:39] <lsuactiafner> _SWAT_ : click all 3 mouse buttons on the desktop for menus, and if you use the scroll wheel it flips desktops/workspaces
[01:39] <Will__> I think there are more up-to-date forks of BB about now
[01:39] <Will__> *i
[01:39] <HappyFool> cas-: what group does /dev/sg0 belong to ? (ls -l /dev/sg0 should tell you)
[01:40] <manchine> alsaconf is not available at all?
[01:40] <_SWAT_> lsuactiafner, thnx for the intell. And sometimes old is better (if it's updated regular)
[01:40] <signbarn> i'm having trouble with smeg and my applications menu. i can only get smeg to run if i run it from a terminal with sudo, and any changes i make are in vain. when i close it, i get strange error messages.
[01:40] <davro> lsuactiafner, agreed blackbox rocks it is old but it is as reliable as hell, got gnu/linux debian uptime of over 400 days no problems.
[01:40] <littlefae> Okay peeps.  Anyone able to tell me, if there's a telnet based BBS available for installation? :)
[01:42] <littlefae> ANother UK person. :D
[01:42] <lsuactiafner> _SWAT_ : thing with blackbox is, it renders a GUI, from there a user can make it do what a he wants, makin the interface unique and very usable
[01:42] <cas-> HappyFool, yup it works now, i changed it to the scanner group
[01:42] <HappyFool> littlefae: not sure what you mean by that
[01:42] <Seveas> signbarn, poke Amaranth when he is around, he created smeg
[01:42] <cas-> only one thing, is this setting saved or do i need to do it everytime I restart the pc?
[01:43] <littlefae> I am wanting to run a pre-1991 BBS, as in, the type that you use telnet to login to
[01:43] <Will__> Nobody told me about this secret way. Does it involve tea?
[01:43] <Will__> littlefae: Google finds a few. 'Mystic BBS' seems popular
[01:43] <signbarn> thanks, Seveas. will do.
[01:43] <littlefae> Hmmm, good ole google
[01:44] <littlefae> Will__ Yep, and scones
[01:44] <Will__> Don't say that. I'm hungry
[01:44] <bimberi> cas-: it should stick (glad you got a resolution btw :) )
[01:44] <gorilla_> littlefae, but only if you restrict the "modem" speed to 14.4k :-)
[01:45] <gorilla_> littlefae, with jam, please :-)
[01:45] <cas-> tnx alo bimberi, littlefae and HappyFool
[01:45] <littlefae> Have to run it on Windoze too. :(
[01:46] <HappyFool> littlefae: how about a web server, with a 'webforum' type app of some sort?
[01:46] <Blissex> littlefae: even if I live in the UK I am appallingly italian (with strong welsh influences to make it worse :->)
[01:46] <lsuactiafner>  13:48:02 up 1 day, 16:56, 21 users,  load average: 10.41, 6.34, 4.23
[01:46] <lsuactiafner> ):
[01:47] <anto9us> I live in Wales
[01:47] <littlefae> HappyFool: I need it to be Telnet based, to go with my game.
[01:47] <anto9us> littlefae: your bbs may run under an emulator
[01:47] <Blissex> littlefae: there are very many BBS style systems still, for UNIX/Linux
[01:48] <Will__> Blissex: Want to make me a cup of coffee?
[01:49] <Will__> I have an espresso machine. It is downstairs
[01:50] <Blissex> actually in Aberystyth there is an italian cafe` called The Penguin, it is not too bad either... :-)
[01:50] <Andre4s> is it easy to get mp3 support in rhythmbox?
[01:51] <littlefae> yes
[01:51] <Andre4s> how
[01:51] <littlefae> Argh.. lost the link
[01:51] <littlefae> One sec
[01:52] <anatole> hmmm, someone suggest pls a character which does not argue with bash, and makes a directory/file appear in the first place when arranged by name
[01:52] <anatole> like ! or _ on windows
[01:53] <snprron> hello
[01:54] <snprron> anyone here successfully install xine?
[01:54] <Andre4s> I have
[01:54] <snprron> how did u do it?
[01:54] <lsuactiafner> snprron : nope never nobody heh (: just jokin
[01:55] <lsuactiafner> apt-get install xine
[01:55] <Andre4s> whith synaptic
[01:55] <lsuactiafner> but i was dancin around a camp fire singin along to korn for it to work
[01:55] <snprron> :-)
[01:56] <lsuactiafner> suppose you dont need the campfire..
[01:56] <snprron> nope,
[01:56] <snprron> tried the apt-get install xine...
[01:56] <snprron> could not find package...
[01:57] <lsuactiafner> synaptic then
[01:57] <littlefae> Do a search on the Ubuntu Wiki for 'restricted formats'  I can't seem to get the link at the moment, as Epiphany crashed
[01:57] <Will__> I know pointwood
[01:57] <pointwood> ?
[01:58] <Will__> That's it really
[01:58] <littlefae> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?highlight=%28Restricted%29
[01:58] <lsuactiafner> !restricted
[01:58] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:58] <littlefae> Same file, different method to get to it. :D
[02:00] <snprron> another question....
[02:00] <snprron> what does totem need to work?
[02:02] <Andre4s> thanks
[02:02] <littlefae> NP
[02:02] <_SWAT_> snprron, just use mplayer :D
[02:02] <littlefae> Works great on my machine.  I coupled it with the BEEP music player, so I could use all my old windows Winamp skins. :D
[02:03] <lsuactiafner> snprron : try mplayer
[02:04] <lsuactiafner> there is a reason why mplayer is the most downloaded software on freshmeat.net
[02:04] <cas-> lsuactiafner, because it's the best movie player for linux?
[02:04] <Seveas> snprron, totem needs gstreamer0.8-mad to play mp3
[02:04] <_SWAT_> and it works great (even with WMV!!!!)
[02:04] <Will__> mplayer will play any file under the sun
[02:05] <cas-> indeed, and mplayer uses less resources then any player i've tried
[02:06] <snprron> is mplayer an apt-get package?
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> sorta
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> check http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:06] <_SWAT_> lsuactiafner, just to make this chan more personal, what's your asl+job? 21/M/Netherlands, Job: Student
[02:07] <littlefae> He designs the gnome widgets. :D
[02:07] <lsuactiafner> heh i thik i will be -q if i say that _SWAT_
[02:07] <lsuactiafner> can barely chat keyboard input is slow
[02:07] <_SWAT_> :/
[02:07] <zeff> Does anyone here roll their own kernels?
[02:08] <lsuactiafner> hitting loads in 10 again
[02:08] <Nevado> is anyone here using breezy? i'm having issues with locales
[02:08] <lsuactiafner> yeh i make own kernls
[02:08] <zeff> after rolling my own, I get this error at boot ?device-mapper: : dm-linear: Device lookup failed"
[02:08] <xoz> immortalsinger: don't pm me.
[02:08] <Nevado> i get this exact problem http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43467&highlight=locale
[02:09] <Blue_Summer> Everyone: i bought a program called boot magic v-8 and its an exe how do i use it?
[02:09] <littlefae> Using Wine?
[02:09] <Blue_Summer> can't use wine
[02:09] <zeff>  lsuactiafner, have you experienced that?
[02:09] <ubuntu> re
[02:09] <Blue_Summer> i'm using an amd64 so wine is out of the question
[02:09] <littlefae> Then you're scuppered
[02:10] <ubuntu> !nick whoo
[02:10] <ubotu> ubuntu: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:10] <Prottie> hmmm
[02:10] <lsuactiafner> zeff : never seen it
[02:10] <Prottie> how do you clean a lcd?
[02:10] <lsuactiafner> but got amd 3200 asus a8n deluxe
[02:10] <littlefae> I use something called 'SafeClean' Prottie
[02:10] <whoo2> re
[02:10] <littlefae> About 4 a can, though
[02:10] <Will__> Prottie: Send it to me.. I will clean it
[02:11] <Blue_Summer> littlefae, i thought i had installed this on a seperate partition but when i boot it goes into grub and if i click escape within 5 seconds? it lets me boot from different  ubuntu such as ubuntu safe, terminal safe mode but no windows option
[02:11] <_SWAT_> anyone here use speech recognition? I'm thinking about using it. I used it a long time ago on my windows pc and it was kinda fun :P (walking around, telling winamp when to go to the next song)
[02:11] <littlefae> Dunno Blue_Summer, not a techie in such areas
[02:11] <zeff> thanks, it is driving me nuts.  I have a few other issues as well.  But after compiling my own kernels for years, when I compile for Ubuntu there is alway one or 2 things throwing errors or not working.
[02:11] <Blue_Summer> anyone : how can i boot from cd because everytime it goes straight into ubuntu
[02:11] <Blue_Summer> ok littlefae
[02:12] <Nevado> Blue_Summer, change the boot order in your bios settings
[02:12] <z|bandito> i installed apache and it's running ok, how do i associate a application with a certain extension?
[02:12] <Blue_Summer> Nevado,  i have cd as boot order one and hdd as boot order 2
[02:13] <Nevado> Blue_Summer, sure it's a bootable cd? does it rty reading the disk when you boot?
[02:13] <HappyFool> z|bandito: you mean mime-types?
[02:13] <cas-> What is the best place to put a binary program directory so every user can access it? in /opt and make a symlink in /usr/local/bin ?
[02:13] <z|bandito> yes
[02:13] <Blue_Summer> no it doesn't and yes it is a windows xp disk
[02:13] <z|bandito> i'm not sure where the config is
[02:13] <HappyFool> cas-: sounds reasonable
[02:13] <Blue_Summer> Nevado, its a windows xp installation cd
[02:14] <Nevado> Blue_Summer, hmm... you don't have 2 cdrom drives or anything silly like that right? :)
[02:14] <lsuactiafner> cas- : also chmod a+rx,a-w binary
[02:14] <Blue_Summer> i have a cd rw and a dvd rom/cd rw combi
[02:14] <cas-> ah ok, tnx
[02:14] <Nevado> Blue_Summer, it's porobaly looking at the wrong cdrom drive i would guess
[02:14] <Blue_Summer> Nevado, i have a cd rw and a dvd rom/cd rw combi
[02:14] <Blue_Summer> hmm i'll try it ok
[02:14] <Blue_Summer> time to reboot
[02:15] <Blue_Summer> ty
[02:15] <Nevado> good luck ;)
[02:15] <egg|x2> no hd-dvd ?
[02:15] <HappyFool> z|bandito: take a look in /etc/apache (i forget the exact directory, don't have apache installed)
[02:16] <Firli> erm....I broke my x-server :p
[02:16] <egg|x2> Firli, ?
[02:16] <bigfoot1> hello, i am trying to play some online games. The game loads but there is no text. Is the problem only with me? PLease check out an example at http://www.xgenstudios.com/play/motherload
[02:16] <snprron> thanks for the help folks!
[02:16] <Firli> well, I updated to hoary by changing all the packet-sources and then updated
[02:17] <Firli> next time I restarted it was broken :p
[02:17] <Firli> didn't start
[02:17] <Firli> I'm on windows now :p
[02:17] <Firli> I can still get in command line
[02:17] <atlas> lol
[02:18] <Firli> any package I should try to reinstall?
[02:18] <Firli> I tried x-server-common but it didn't help :p
[02:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyone know good video capture software for Ubuntu/Kubuntu?
[02:19] <lsuactiafner> Kamping_Kaiser : mplayer
[02:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh :o
[02:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks. *worries about learning curve*
[02:20] <lsuactiafner> yeh, the commandline is huge.. but i think if you ask in #mplayer someone will be able to help sooner or later
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. with rtfm ;)
[02:21] <cas-> Kamping_Kaiser, I dunno what you want to capture but maybe you can take a look at MythTV
[02:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> from a vcr
[02:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> so it doesnt have to be able to tune
[02:21] <podge> Any mythtv users here?
[02:22] <egg|x2> no?
[02:22] <cas-> brb, reboot
[02:22] <qos> how can i make sure, that firefox only uses eth0 for data transfers?
[02:23] <egg|x2> qos, what do you mean?
[02:24] <qos> i have 2 network interfaces, i can access the internet with both interfaces, but i want that firefox only uses ONE of them
[02:24] <lsuactiafner> qos : i think you should look into route
[02:24] <lsuactiafner> qos : but thats a very complicated question
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> iptables, have fun qos
[02:24] <lsuactiafner> what do you use the other interface for?
[02:25] <lsuactiafner> yeh route and iptables
[02:25] <qos> damn, i hoped it can be solved like "firefox -i eth0"
[02:25] <lsuactiafner> iptables might just be easier but you might need the route patch on iptables
[02:25] <qos> both are connections to the internet, both with an own ip
[02:25] <podge> Is he saying he only wants port 80 traffic on eth0?
[02:25] <lsuactiafner> qos : ask in the freenode firefox channel, ther might be something like that
[02:26] <egg|x2> qos, Is it a qestion?
[02:26] <qos> hmm, i also wants to set the interface for other programms, like irc clients or instant messengers ...
[02:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> same deal qos
[02:27] <jeroen__> how can i play mp3 file?
[02:27] <lsuactiafner> qos : i got an idea, set squid up on your boxen to use eth0 and make squid the firefox proxy for all protocalls
[02:27] <egg|x2> qos, (old Qos things is out)
[02:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> jeroen__ xmms
[02:28] <egg|x2> qos, (gooogle...)
[02:28] <lsuactiafner> qos : the question is, eth0 is for what, eth1 is for what?
[02:28] <qos> egg, why do you think i am asking?
[02:28] <lsuactiafner> since it might be easier to route add default gw ip_of_eth0 eth0
[02:28] <lsuactiafner> and then to match what you want on eth1 only
[02:28] <HappyFool> jeroen_: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats will tell you how to play mp3s
[02:28] <zen444> anyone here knows  how to export email from thunderbird on one computer to another ?
[02:28] <itom> hi all, I've tried to costumize the livecd and works only with my nvidia graphics card; do you know how to set the xorg.conf ready for all?
[02:29] <egg|x2> xorg hehehhehhehhehheh
[02:29] <qos> lsuactiafner : i dont know what to route exactly. imagine i want to make sure gaim only uses eth0
[02:29] <IIIEars> itom - "VESA"??
[02:29] <lsuactiafner> yeh but i'm askin you, what do you want to use eth1 for?
[02:30] <qos> other internet applications. for example filesharing.
[02:31] <egg|x2> qos, (hehe)
[02:31] <lsuactiafner> i think you will need to look into tc, route, iptables, very complicated, might involve patching your kenrel with patch-o-matic iptables
[02:32] <lsuactiafner> even i wont attempt it lightly
[02:32] <IIIEars> would "Bastille" help qos?
[02:32] <lsuactiafner> -i might workon some programs tho
[02:32] <zyth> after I edit my /boot/grub/menu.lst do I need to run any commands to make it 'take'?
[02:32] <lsuactiafner> proxyin might help some
[02:32] <egg|x2> qos, (I do not want going to some sites)
[02:33] <qos> whats Bastille?
[02:35] <fRanCo> When installing ubuntu, can I choose what packages to install etc?  for instance base system only+icewm or fluxbox?
[02:37] <nickrud> fRanCo yes, you can do a server install, then install x-window-system and icewm or fluxbox, for example
[02:38] <kyncani2> zyth: nope, grub will read it at bootup
[02:38] <fRanCo> nickrud, install from the installer itself or grab it from the net? (asking this, because i will install on a offline computer)
[02:39] <HappyFool> i don't think fluxbox / icewm are on the ubuntu cd
[02:39] <gorilla_> Hi all, I am having trouble with a segmentation fault in the nvidia-glx package and was wondering if there is a way to check the list of files against the package file list.
[02:40] <nickrud> fRanCo no, the wm's are in universe, you'll need the net
[02:40] <fRanCo> hmm ok
[02:40] <fRanCo> can I install ubuntu from a remote computer?
[02:40] <HappyFool> gorilla_: you get a segmentation fault when you install it, or when you run it?
[02:40] <fRanCo> the cd drive doesnt work properly
[02:41] <fRanCo> so if its possible to install ubuntu through network?
[02:41] <slept> fRanCo, if you have base and ssh installed you can do the rest
[02:41] <nickrud> fRanCo there are methods, you might check the wiki for details
[02:41] <gorilla_> HappyFool, when I run a 3d graphic app, such as glxinfo or glxgears....
[02:41] <fRanCo> ok
[02:41] <slept> fRanCo, you can debootstrap
[02:41] <fRanCo> slept, that means?
[02:42] <gorilla_> fRanCo, that means that you need the base system installed that you can ssh into... the short answer is no you must be local to the computer that you want to install ubuntu on.
[02:43] <egg|x2> slept, old old things ... it is
[02:43] <fRanCo> hmm ok
[02:43] <slept> fRanCo, apt-cache show debootstrap - you'll have to put the hd in a machine on which you have already running ubuntu
[02:43] <Fr0Gs> i installed xmms using apt-get install xmms how do i find out it's location?
[02:44] <slept> Fr0Gs, dpkg -L ...
[02:44] <HappyFool> gorilla_: did you restart X after 'nvidia-glx-config enable' ?
[02:45] <gorilla_> yes... I also tried the driver from nvidia.com... not sucessful either.
[02:45] <slept> Fr0Gs, but you can start it via <ALT> + <F2>
[02:45] <nickrud> fRanCo you might try https://wiki.ubuntu.com//NetbootInstallHowto, I've never used it
[02:45] <HappyFool> gorilla_: X starts normally, though, and you see the nvidia logo ?
[02:45] <fRanCo> nickrud, ok thnx
[02:45] <Fr0Gs> slept, thanks for the help
[02:46] <HappyFool> gorilla_: for your original question, i'm not sure how to check what's installed versus a list. however, packages are checked when installed
[02:46] <gorilla_> HappyFool, X starts, I see the Nv logo and then it dies....
[02:46] <HappyFool> so how are you running glxinfo?
[02:48] <gorilla_> HappyFool, from a terminal within X.... oh... (I have changed back to the nv driver)... Howevere I found a symlink that looked wrong what pointing to the 7667 nvidia driver.
[02:50] <cas-> hi, back again
[02:50] <HappyFool> you *might* be able to find some info in /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or an older log -- maybe Xorg.20.log) to help you with the crash on startup
[02:50] <cas-> My device persissions aren't saved on reboot, any idea where i can set this?
[02:51] <gorilla_> HappyFool, okay... will re-enable the nvidia driver and save a copy of the log files and output (if possible)
[02:51] <HappyFool> cas-: i think you probably need to fiddle with /etc/udev/, but I'm not sure
[02:52] <HappyFool> cas-: see, e.g., /etc/udev/permissions.d/udev.permissions
[02:52] <cas-> HappyFool, yeah allready into that, but i can't figure out what the sga device makes
[02:52] <jeroen__> how can i play a mp3 file
[02:52] <HappyFool> jeroen_: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats will tell you how to play mp3s
[02:53] <cas-> I think I got it, brb reboot to test it
[02:53] <HappyFool> cas-: i could actually never figure out udev ;) so i can't help much. look at 'man udev', and maybe 'man udevd' as well
[02:53] <cas-> i will do that if it's not working, tnx
[02:53] <nickrud> cas- I used http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html once to set up a device, It's pretty straightforward
[02:54] <HappyFool> i wanted to get a symlink for my winmodem via udev, but it refused to do so on boot. was rather annoying
[02:54] <nickrud> I used it as a cookbook, I don't claim to understand it :)
[02:57] <jeroen__> when i click on a mp3 i see Can not read.........
[02:57] <HappyFool> jeroen_: have you read the RestrictedFormats page?
[02:58] <jeroen__> yeas i have instal gsteamer
[02:58] <gorilla_> HappyFool, error about libfb (whatever that does)->   http://pastebin.com/306408
[02:58] <egg|x2> jeroen_, (fake mp3)
[02:58] <egg|x2> jeroen_, (patent mp3 ?)
[02:58] <HappyFool> jeroen_: and gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[02:59] <nickrud> jeroen_ you can try file <mp3> to check the file itself
[02:59] <miquel> hi
[02:59] <HappyFool> gorilla_: i don't think that is too critical
[03:00] <jeroen__> it dont works:(
[03:00] <HappyFool> gorilla_: i have the same message in my log file, and my nvidia is working fine
[03:00] <egg|x2> MP3 file with ID3 version 2.3.0 tag <- mine
[03:00] <jeroen__> i have instal gstreamer0.8-mad an lame
[03:00] <gorilla_> HappyFool, okay... in that case I'll paste the entire X log.. :-)
[03:00] <egg|x2> $file <some mp3>
[03:01] <miquel> anybody can help me about one DVD EXTERN usb?  how can this work in ubuntu?
[03:01] <HappyFool> gorilla_: might be easiest
[03:02] <HappyFool> jeroen_: what is the precise error message you get?
[03:02] <egg|x2> ?
[03:02] <HappyFool> gorilla_: fwiw, (II) means information, (WW) warning and (EE) error
[03:02] <egg|x2> I don't need a mp3 file -_-
[03:03] <egg|x2> strange guy -_-
[03:03] <HappyFool> frustrated, i guess. *shrug*
[03:03] <egg|x2> ?
[03:07] <gorilla_> HappyFool, http://pastebin.com/306410 (sorry about the length :-) )
[03:09] <HappyFool> gorilla_: hrm, this looks weird: Default mode "320x240": 12.6 MHz, 31.5 kHz, 60.1 Hz (D)
[03:09] <HappyFool> line 551
[03:09] <HappyFool> why are all your modes being dropped?
[03:10] <gorilla_> HappyFool, I'm not sure where they come from in xorg...
[03:12] <HappyFool> gorilla_: hrm. i'm pretty sure modes like 640x480 should be doable by your card and monitor
[03:13] <secata> Greets all
[03:13] <gorilla_> HappyFool, I can do 1024x768... which it does with the nv card quite comfortably..
[03:13] <gorilla_> HappyFool, "nv" driver rather.
[03:14] <HappyFool> gorilla_: the only difference between them is that you do 'sudo nvidia-glx-config enable' ?
[03:14] <HappyFool> gorilla_: by 'them' i mean the nv vs. nvidia X startups
[03:14] <gorilla_> HappyFool, see lini 618 for example...
[03:14] <secata> gorilla_...that's one of the things I absolutely love about ubuntu...nVidia cards gets supported straight out the bocks!
[03:14] <gorilla_> secata, except in this case...
[03:14] <secata> box even...
[03:15] <secata> lol
[03:15] <HappyFool> gorilla_: see line 500 ;)
[03:15] <gorilla_> HappyFool, yep...
[03:15] <secata> What nv card is it?
[03:16] <gorilla_> secata, an 6600GT running off AGP bus.
[03:16] <gm78> Hey all. This is kind of off topic, but no other forums/irc rooms have such nice people. I have an old Pentium MMX with 64 MB of RAM that I would like to make use of. I need a distro that will run on that, has gcc available, and runs kernel 2.4.x
[03:16] <gorilla_> secata, 128MB or ram.
[03:16] <gm78> Anyone got any ideas?
[03:16] <secata> Makes a bit of sense...a bit more on the higher end of the spectrum isn't it?
[03:17] <adwait> hello ppl
[03:17] <secata> Ubuntu should work just fine gm78
[03:17] <HappyFool> gm78: i've heard of damn small linux; maybe that sort of thing is what you want?
[03:17] <gorilla_> secata, yep... I wanted something with a little grunt... mainly for flightgear :-)
[03:17] <gm78> HappyFool, neither puppy nor DSL have gcc available
[03:17] <hac> What is the best editor for python?
[03:17] <gm78> secata, should i do a server install then? how would i make it run on that
[03:18] <HappyFool> hac: i used emacs when i was hacking python. has quite a good python-mode, and you can run the python interpreter 'inside' emacs
[03:18] <secata> You can order it with no handling fees or postal fees.  It comes with a cd-rom, if you have a cd-drive that is.  It's extremely easy to install
[03:19] <wdh> gm78, just search google for 'minimalistic' and 'linux'
[03:19] <wdh> :)
[03:19] <wdh> gm78, and pick one of the hundreds of options :)
[03:19] <adwait> www.distrowatch.com
[03:19] <secata> hehe...speaking of which (hac's question)...anyone know of a good gcc/c++ IDE for gnome?
[03:19] <adwait> search for minimalistic distros
[03:19] <HappyFool> gorilla_: hrm. sorry, you seem to have a rather tricky problem. my nvidia worked without problems
[03:19] <adwait> btw: wht kinda configuration are we talking here?
[03:19] <hac> secata, eclipse?
[03:20] <slept> gm78, debian should be nice
[03:20] <gm78> wdh, yes, but none of them meet my requirements
[03:20] <HappyFool> gorilla_: the ubuntu-provided drivers didn't work either?
[03:20] <secata> Ditto HappyFool...FX 5500
[03:20] <HappyFool> gorilla_: or are you now using them?
[03:20] <gorilla_> HappyFool, nope... I tried the ubuntu... they installed but I am having trouble there also... anyway i can force a reinstall??
[03:20] <secata> hac, Hmm...I was looking at that, but then I'd have to get GTK+
[03:20] <gm78> so would a server install of ubuntu and say fvwm or something like that run on a Pentium MMX
[03:20] <gm78> ?
[03:21] <neodium> can anyone direct me to some decent documentation for ubuntu, ive only just switched from windows and cant even install a program... :( help plz
[03:21] <secata> I'm mostly gona be doing kernel dev, so I don't need desktop dev support...
[03:21] <HappyFool> gorilla_: i think the nvidia driver (from nvidia.com) has an 'uninstall' option
[03:21] <adwait> neodium: www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:21] <HappyFool> secata: tried emacs?
[03:21] <adwait> www.ubuntuforums.org for problems
[03:21] <wdh> gm78, it should ;)
[03:21] <adwait> and here for problems
[03:22] <neodium> thnx
[03:22] <gorilla_> adwait, no... not ubuntuguide.org :-/
[03:22] <HappyFool> gorilla_: you had the same problems with the ubuntu drivers ?
[03:22] <NeoCicak> hello
[03:22] <adwait> gorilla: isnt tht a pretyy good guide for ubuntu
[03:22] <adwait> ?
[03:23] <adwait> albeit unofficial
[03:23] <secata> Good point HappyFool  ;o)
[03:23] <NeoCicak> i'm having a problem.. I have a Dell computer with speaker output at the back of the cpu and another output for headphone in front. The problem is that ubuntu only gives sound from the headphone output in front. i.e. If i plug in the speaker cable to the output in the back, there is no sound at all. Can anyone help me here?
[03:23] <gorilla_> adwait, it's not a guide.. it's a list of instructions with little explaination of what is happening.
[03:24] <gorilla_> HappyFool, yes initially... it worked at first untill I rebooted.
[03:24] <adwait> gorilla: well its fine for complete newbies right? after they switch frm windows...wht they want is a working linux system, not an explanation of why their system wasnt working and why it will now work
[03:24] <secata> NeoCicak...it's usually either a BIOS setting or a hardware setup.  I think only one of the sockets can work at one time, can be wrong.
[03:24] <HappyFool> gorilla_: odd. and on reboot?
[03:25] <zEraCos> how much space does base system+gnome take?
[03:25] <slept> neodium, if you speak german selflinux should be perfect
[03:25] <lambert> salut!
[03:25] <NeoCicak> secata: yes, you are right. Only one can work at a time. But i dont get any sound output at all from the one in the back. It works in Windows & Warty.
[03:25] <lambert> ?
[03:25] <adwait> lamber: salut......mais c'est pas la salle francais
[03:26] <gorilla_> HappyFool, on reboot, It spits.. displays the nvidia logo and after about 10 seconds dumps back to the console.. this is a fresh install today :-(
[03:26] <secata> May haps, compare the audio config file for Ubuntu and warty?
[03:27] <Discipulus> bah
[03:27] <Discipulus> I just get 5.04 and you guys release 5.10
[03:27] <secata> moo
[03:27] <lsuactiafner> gorilla_ : you rpolly installed the nvidia drivers with apt-get/
[03:27] <Discipulus> not cool
[03:27] <Discipulus> I'm on dial-up
[03:27] <HappyFool> Discipulus: no, 5.10 is due out in october
[03:27] <Discipulus> not even good dial-up
[03:27] <Discipulus> I'm on bad dial-up
[03:27] <Discipulus> I get like 899 b/s for download
[03:27] <gorilla_> Discipulus, 5.10 is not release... due in October.
[03:28] <secata> lol Discipulus...I know what you mean
[03:28] <N3nt> i have instal xmms he play but i hear no sound
[03:28] <adwait> Discipulus: omg!! whrever do u live??
[03:28] <secata> 15 meg's is harsh for a kernel header update...on dial-up that is...
[03:28] <adwait> N3nt: sound issues with xmms and ubuntu...have u set it to use esd?
[03:29] <HappyFool> gorilla_: hrm. ok, i'm afraid i can't really suggest much more
[03:29] <secata> Discipulus...tip...rather use pppconfig to do your dialup than using Gnome/KDE's visual dialer
[03:29] <HappyFool> if you've tried both the official drivers and the driver from nvidia.com, well, that's all i know
[03:29] <secata> Had the same prob with my b/w until I started using pppconfig
[03:29] <gorilla_> HappyFool, not a problem... you did your best... :-)
[03:30] <N3nt> i have instal xmms but i hear no sound
[03:31] <secata> okeanos, is the volume turned up? joke ;o)
[03:31] <N3nt> volume is up;)
[03:31] <NeoCicak> i'm having a problem.. I have a Dell computer with speaker output at the back of the cpu and another output for headphone in front. The problem is that ubuntu only gives sound from the headphone output in front. i.e. If i plug in the speaker cable to the output in the back, there is no sound at all. Can anyone help me here?
[03:32] <secata> whoops, sorry N3nt , okeanos, nick mix up :')
[03:33] <secata> NeoCicak, have you tried comparing configs between Warty and Ubuntu?
[03:33] <Discipulus> secata, what do you mean?
[03:33] <NeoCicak> secata: errr.. u expect me to install warty somewhere?
[03:34] <NeoCicak> secata: and where is this config file located?
[03:34] <secata> Lol, sorry NeoCicak, assumed you had warty dual installed on your pc
[03:34] <HappyFool> NeoCicak: have you run alsamixer and checked that some channels aren't muted?
[03:35] <HappyFool> NeoCicak: that is just a guess; I don't know much more about audio settings
[03:35] <NeoCicak> secata: nope.. i had warty b4 (and i did apt-get dist upgrade at that time to get it to hoary).. and now i did fresh hoary installation.. but things were better back then
[03:35] <zEraCos> from the installdisc.. can I choose to install only base system+gnome+xorg and nothing else?
[03:35] <zEraCos> I also want the login screen
[03:36] <Discipulus> secata, after using pppconfig how do I connect?
[03:36] <secata> Discipulus, you use "pon" to connect, "poff" to disconnect and "plog" to see the status
[03:36] <HappyFool> zEraCos: probably easiest to install server, and add the other bits (xorg/gnome) after install
[03:37] <zEraCos> can they be addad on a offline computer?
[03:37] <NeoCicak> HappyFool: everything are up
[03:37] <Discipulus> secata, alright
[03:37] <Discipulus> brb
[03:37] <HappyFool> zEraCos: all of that should be on the CD, so yes
[03:38] <cas-> back again, editing the udev permission solved it :)
[03:38] <HappyFool> NeoCicak: in that case, i'm afraid i don't know what the problem is
[03:38] <zEraCos> HappyFool: is there a package app that will open up installation disc for me to choose the packages to install afterhand?
[03:38] <NeoCicak> happyfool: thats allright.. thx anyway
[03:38] <HappyFool> zEraCos: you can use aptitude (console app with menu interface)
[03:38] <cas-> zEraCos, synaptic?
[03:38] <zEraCos> ok
[03:39] <HappyFool> he won't have gnome -- he's going to install the 'server' version
[03:39] <NeoCicak> HappyFool: wait a minute
[03:39] <NeoCicak> HappyFool: thanks man! you solved my prob!
[03:39] <HappyFool> NeoCicak: i did? ;)
[03:39] <NeoCicak> HappyFool: but i dunno which one... i just turned them all up
[03:39] <cas-> ow sorry, i missed the whole conversation :)
[03:39] <zEraCos> HappyFool: is there other window managers on the installation disc other than gnome?
[03:39] <secata> lol
[03:39] <HappyFool> NeoCicak: heh. well, you can use m to toggle muting and find out
[03:39] <HappyFool> zEraCos: i don't think so
[03:39] <zEraCos> ok
[03:40] <NeoCicak> HappyFool: yah... i turned them all up... coz the names are weird..
[03:40] <HappyFool> NeoCicak: indeed. i don't have a clue what 'IEC958 I' is
[03:40] <secata> zEraCos, I think I have KDE on my Ubuntu cd...
[03:40] <HappyFool> secata: then you have the kubuntu cd. or maybe an install dvd
[03:41] <b_e_n_z> anyone running xen on ubuntu successfully?
[03:41] <HappyFool> cas-: what did you do to get the permissions right?
[03:41] <secata> Right HappyFool...cd
[03:42] <gm78> wdh, well i have the ubuntu server installation going on the old computer. it is taking forever :p
[03:42] <zEraCos> HappyFool: when installing ubuntu with standard setup.. how much disk space does it use?
[03:42] <HappyFool> zEraCos: let me see if i can find out; stand by
[03:42] <zEraCos> k
[03:42] <cas-> HappyFool, you were right, I did edit that udev permission file and changed the group from disk to scanner
[03:43] <cas-> HappyFool, I guess if i add an scsi disk now it will also identify as a scanner :) but i don't have any so it won't bother
[03:43] <secata> lol
[03:44] <Discipulus> secata, wow, there's a major difference. Thanks for that piece of advice!
[03:45] <secata> No prob :o)
[03:47] <secata> Is S.A. so weak on the net?!  I can never find a file mirror on the za domain for downloads...*CRAP*
[03:47] <secata> Greets eriksays
[03:48] <Discipulus> secata, how did you figure that out anyway?
[03:48] <HappyFool> zEraCos: hrm. according to the install manual, which i do not entirely trust, a base install is 250MB
[03:48] <zEraCos> ok and gnome is?
[03:48] <Seveas> big :)
[03:48] <zEraCos> like 500mb?
[03:49] <Discipulus> lol
[03:49] <Seveas> no, i'd say 100-200 mb (depends on what you call 'gnome')
[03:49] <zEraCos> gnome on the ubuntu dis
[03:49] <secata> Learnt about pppconfig when I was running Stormix...ages ago.  Desktop had no dialer ;o)
[03:49] <zEraCos> c
[03:49] <HappyFool> secata: you with TelkomInternet?
[03:50] <Seveas> zEraCos, well, gnome depends on X and provides a core and a lot of applications...
[03:50] <Discipulus> secata, ah, gotcha, cool
[03:50] <zEraCos> Seveas: I just want the basic gnome with xorg and the login screen.. thats it
[03:50] <zEraCos> how much approx?
[03:50] <secata> World online...get's their backbone from Telkom...so does all ISP's...
[03:50] <HappyFool> secata: i tried this 'speed test' http://www.internetfrog.com/mypc/speedtest/  and got a measly 30 kb/s
[03:51] <HappyFool> yeah, fair enough, the final connection is telkom's, but i'm wondering if my modem settings are rubbish
[03:51] <jsimmons> mmmmm
[03:52] <jsimmons> ,,,,,
[03:52] <Peaker> To convert from Debian to Ubuntu, can I just dist-upgrade with a new sources.list?
[03:52] <secata> What did you set the port rate to?
[03:52] <jsimmons> is there a way to get a list of channels without the descriptiuon stuff?
[03:53] <HappyFool> secata: i didn't ;) i'm using the gnome config. i guess i could try pppconfig
[03:53] <z|bandito> is there a dyndns daemon package?
[03:53] <mauper> z|bandito: yep, several
[03:54] <neodium> can a windows partion in NTFS have other attributes than read only, i want to be able to read/write
[03:54] <z|bandito> what are they called?
[03:54] <bill_> I'm a total newbie to ubuntu and this irc.  Need some help on how to read and use network printer shared with Microsoft XP PC
[03:54] <secata> I have mine set-up to it's highest, and getting 4 kb/s on downloads, which is what I usually get on Win as well...trying that speed test you talked about...
[03:54] <HappyFool> yeah, i usually get 4kB/s too, so I'm a bit puzzled by the test
[03:55] <Peaker> is it safe to dist-upgrade from Debian unstable to ubuntu?
[03:55] <Sturmflut> hi, are there any known problems with Ubuntu i386 on an Asus A8V Mainboard (VIA K8T800 Chipset)? I have strange problems with udev and the onboard IDE-Controller on this machine, as soon as the udev init-script runs udevstart the first harddisk starts to emit a klickering noise, exactly 24 times, with about 1 second between the klicks. While this is happening the boot process is blocked so it takes about 2 minutes to get the system up and run
[03:55] <Sturmflut> ning. The harddisk is perfectly okay, it even happens if I swap it with another one and use other cables. I have no SeekComplete Error etc. messages in the kernel log and after udevstart is finished I can use the drive just like normal, with DMA activated etc.
[03:55] <jsimmons> mmmmmmm
[03:55] <mauper> z|bandito: ddclient, ez-ipupdate ...
[03:55] <z|bandito> any favorites? :)
[03:55] <Seveas> Sturmflut, very interesting....
[03:55] <jsimmons> xchat questions - how do i change the color of the text *I* type?
[03:55] <secata> Just keep in mind, that it's most prob your overall connection capability.  You are still limited to a small part of that due to bandwidth throttling on the ISP's side...
[03:56] <Seveas> Sturmflut, I suggest you file a bug report about that
[03:56] <z|bandito> ;]  ok ty
[03:56] <Seveas> jsimmons, settings -> advanced -> text events
[03:56] <HappyFool> secata: bandwidth throttling a dial-up connection? *sob*
[03:56] <Sturmflut> Seveas: Yes, I have three machines running Ubuntu i386 and this is the only one that shows this problem
[03:56] <Discipulus> If someone's on Debian, and they change their sources.list, and then do an apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:56] <Sturmflut> Seveas: okay
[03:56] <Discipulus> would it install Ubuntu on their computer?
[03:56] <eriksays> if i want to connect to my windows shared folders from ubuntu, do i have to have samba running?  can i just mount the drive?
[03:57] <secata> :o)...plus Telkom has never actually implemented any throttling and is said to start doing so...
[03:57] <Seveas> Discipulus, no
[03:57] <CarlFK> shorewall start - shoud it set cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward - it is still 0
[03:57] <Seveas> not if they run a recent sarge
[03:57] <Seveas> Discipulus, with apt-pinning (pin hoary to 1001) you might be able to
[03:57] <zEraCos> can I use the gnome login manger for fluxbox?
[03:57] <mauper> eriksays: you need the samba client (try smbmount)
[03:58] <Seveas> eriksays, places -> connect to server
[03:58] <secata> I wonder how long the big wigs is still going to talk about fixing Telkom's telecomunications minopaly and start doing something about it...*dang*
[03:58] <Peaker> Seveas: how do I apt-ping?
[03:58] <Seveas> apt-ping..?
[03:58] <lsuactiafner> zEraCos : yeh.. if you did apt-get install fluxbox it should show in gdm i believe
[03:58] <Peaker> Seveas: apt-pin that is :)
[03:58] <Seveas> ah :)
[03:58] <HappyFool> secata: sno seems to be coming together
[03:58] <Seveas> Peaker, search the wiki, it has a pinninghowto
[03:59] <secata> Hope it works out...
[03:59] <zEraCos> lsuactiafner: ok.. but if I dont have gnome installed in the system.. am I stil able to use differenft themes etc for the login manager?
[03:59] <z|bandito> aptitude and apt-get don't seem to see ddclient or ez-ipupdate
[03:59] <z|bandito> =\
[03:59] <secata> Aaaaalrighty then...eclipse is not an option.  Don't want to spend the next year downloading a 101 mb install...*YIKES*
[04:00] <Seveas> secata, vim :)
[04:00] <mauper> secata: but it is well worth it :)
[04:00] <Discipulus> secata, you're on dial-up?
[04:00] <Discipulus> secata, that's nothing, I downloaded 10mb at 899 b/s yesterday
[04:00] <secata> Yep
[04:00] <Discipulus> took me all freakin afternoon
[04:00] <secata> lol
[04:00] <Evans> hello
[04:01] <Seveas> hi
[04:01] <Discipulus> secata, thanks for the advice though, there's a BIG difference
[04:01] <Evans> my internet with Ubuntu still dont wor
[04:01] <Evans> :(
[04:01] <Discipulus> secata, like going from dial-up to broadband...except this is from broken dial-up to good dial-up
[04:01] <Discipulus> Evans, what's wrong with it
[04:01] <Discipulus> ???
[04:01] <secata> Just glad it helped :o)
[04:01] <Evans> i tryig to connect through a sagem 800
[04:01] <Evans> modem
[04:01] <Evans> from Tiscali
[04:02] <Evans> enterd the Number Pass Name etc...
[04:02] <Evans> and it says
[04:02] <Evans> failed
[04:02] <jsimmons> mmmmmmmmmm
[04:02] <Evans> :(
[04:02] <secata> I don't do enough internet time to warrent up-grading to Telkom's ADSL...
[04:02] <neodium> what do i use in etc/fstab to enable my NTFS windows partition to be written to instead of read only?
[04:02] <Discipulus> secata, I do warrent enough internet time to do a good upgrade to DSL, but my mom won't let me :'(
[04:03] <mauper> neodium: you cannot write to ntfs afaik
[04:03] <secata> Hehehe
[04:03] <jsimmons> mmmm
[04:03] <neodium> sigh :(
[04:03] <Evans> dose anyone recommednd anything for me
[04:03] <Evans> drivers
[04:03] <secata> Does she know the difference in costs?
[04:03] <Evans> ??
[04:03] <eriksays> evans, dialup or ?
[04:03] <Evans> ADSL
[04:04] <Evans> is mine
[04:04] <secata> Or does she just want you to cut down on internet time? ;o)
[04:04] <Evans> Discipulus: wat country u in?
[04:04] <Discipulus> USA
[04:04] <nalioth_zZzZz> neodium: you need windows NT, windows 2000 or windowx XP
[04:04] <Evans> Discipulus: i was gonna recommend Tiscali..
[04:04] <Discipulus> Tiscali?
[04:05] <Evans> yeah its in the UK though
[04:05] <Evans> www.tiscali.co.uk
[04:05] <Discipulus> oh
[04:05] <Evans> i use it
[04:05] <Discipulus> yea
[04:05] <Evans> 15.99
[04:05] <Discipulus> Are you serious? Damn
[04:05] <Discipulus> DSL is still 29.95 a month here
[04:05] <Discipulus> I reckon I can talk 'em down to 19.95 though
[04:05] <Evans> we got it cheao
[04:05] <Evans> its 2.2mbps
[04:05] <Discipulus> how'd you get it cheap?
[04:06] <Seveas> here it's 10 (256K) to 30 (2mbit)
[04:06] <Evans> the providers cheap
[04:06] <Evans> so then can anyone recommend me... what to do with ADSL
[04:06] <Seveas> And soon 20 for 20mbit :)
[04:06] <struggler> Hoary 2.6.10-5-686 using mkudffs on DVD+RW only formats to 2.2 GB instead of 4.x, anybody know why?
[04:07] <jsimmons> man this color thing is making me feel pretty stupid
[04:07] <secata> That's for sure...in S.A., it's still R200.00 for the provider, but with Telkom's exorbatant rates, it amounts to something like R 1900.99 a month...or sometwhere around there...
[04:07] <Seveas> struggler, maybe you need to specify 4.x exactly..?
[04:07] <Seveas> (i mean: mkudffs --size 4.x
[04:07] <Seveas> )
[04:08] <Seveas> R 1900.99 sounds like a lot, how much is that in US$ or ?
[04:08] <struggler> command line was mkudffs --media-type=dvd /dev/hdc , I thought it would be able to figure it out from the dvd switch
[04:08] <Seveas> struggler, there are several types of dvd-RW, 2.2 is just the safest option I guess
[04:09] <Seveas> So read the manpage :)
[04:09] <secata> Seveas, I think the exchange is something like R6.00 to the dollar...
[04:09] <HappyFool> Seveas: divide by 7 or so to get US$. about US$271
[04:09] <Seveas> :|
[04:09] <Seveas> that's an awful lot
[04:09] <secata> That's about $ 360.00
[04:10] <HappyFool> it isn't quite *that* much, though. cheapest ADSL sets you back around R800 a month i, think -- BUT that have a 2GB traffic limit (!)
[04:10] <secata> $ 316.00 even
[04:10] <Discipulus> damn
[04:10] <Discipulus> that's expensive
[04:10] <struggler> Seveas: there is no size  option listed on the manpage
[04:10] <Discipulus> how much you paying for dial-up?
[04:10] <HappyFool> yeah, monopolies are great
[04:10] <gorilla_> that's dear... >:-(
[04:10] <lsuactiafner> http://www.reservebank.co.za for exchange rate
[04:10] <secata> At least, I think our petrol is still lower than the US ;o)
[04:10] <HappyFool> my total bill comes to around R400 / month
[04:11] <lsuactiafner> i'm on a dailup, hate it
[04:11] <secata> My dial-up is around R 1000.00 per year...don't know what the Telkom rates are at this point...
[04:12] <lsuactiafner> if the government officials spent less time stealin money telkom wouldve been privatised by now
[04:12] <secata> My telephone bill averages around R 800.00 p/m, depending on how active I am
[04:12] <Discipulus> secata, how much does the average job pay?
[04:12] <HappyFool> it's not so much privatisation as much as the monopoly
[04:12] <secata> Lol...you got that right!
[04:12] <secata> Just glad their weeding out the rats for a change (Zuuma)
[04:13] <lsuactiafner> yeh
[04:13] <lsuactiafner> but thing is, rsa will become like any other african country, with a dictator and white ppl fleein for their lives/livelihood
[04:13] <secata> Obviously depends on the type of job...but I suppose you can say from R 4000.00 up to R 20 000.00
[04:13] <Discipulus> a month?
[04:13] <Discipulus> or week?
[04:14] <HappyFool> heh. month
[04:14] <lsuactiafner> month
[04:14] <Discipulus> oh
[04:14] <Discipulus> alright
[04:14] <HappyFool> and we have around 40% unemployment
[04:14] <secata> lsuactiafner, you are so right
[04:14] <secata> Discipulus, yep
[04:14] <secata> Per month
[04:14] <lsuactiafner> before tax tho
[04:14] <Discipulus> oh, that's a bitch
[04:14] <Discipulus> You guys live in Africa huh?
[04:14] <Seveas> Discipulus, look at their hostname :)
[04:14] <HappyFool> it's not that bad ;) i'm a little more optimistic of our future that lsuactiafner and secata
[04:15] <Discipulus> ah, alright
[04:15] <lsuactiafner> thing is, the government brags about inflation rates, but inflation and unenployment in this economy  is inversly related
[04:15] <secata> lsuactiafner, I feel that the wheel is posed to turn again...swinging from apartheid where blacks were disadvantage to where whites are and it will carry on like that untill they let go of tradition and hatred
[04:15] <lsuactiafner> inflation is 20% and unemployment is 20% is a very accurate statement in reality
[04:15] <lsuactiafner> and any black empowerment only benifits friends and family of government officials and the elite black community
[04:16] <Seveas> so it's still apartheid: white - elite black - common black
[04:16] <Seveas> ?
[04:16] <HappyFool> well, there is political freedom
[04:16] <lsuactiafner> secata : i was in a black school, the blacks are very racist, hatefull towards us and i suppose the whites still hate blacks..
[04:16] <secata> HappyFool,  suppose it ain't all that bad but things can always turn ugly very quickly...just as long as our future's not like Zim's ;o)
[04:16] <struggler> Seveas: there is no size  option listed on the manpage, any other ideas?
[04:17] <Seveas> struggler, maybe the udf revision..?
[04:17] <lsuactiafner> the future is like zim, so far no african governemtn didnt have famine, war and a dictator
[04:17] <Discipulus> struggler, read through the manpage for other options that might help
[04:17] <Seveas> (never dealt with UDF myself, common sense just told me: look for a size option)
[04:18] <lsuactiafner> i study economics, when i look @ rsa i dont think we meet the criteria for economic growth in the long-term
[04:18] <secata> Not to get racist my self, but I think the majority of blacks in our country is still nothing more than spoilt brats, thanks to apartheid.  They expect everything to be handed to them without doing a lick of work.  Unemployment not withstanding...
[04:18] <struggler> Discipulus: I did read the manpage and the only option I could find was the aforementioned  --media-type, hence the question
[04:18] <Whistler> os there any way to install free pascal via apt-get?
[04:18] <Whistler> is there any way to install free pascal via apt-get?
[04:18] <lsuactiafner> secata : thats hurtfull and sounds bad, but its true
[04:19] <Evans> back...
[04:19] <lsuactiafner> look @ winnie mandela, damn rich but still refuses to pay for electricity since the previous government gave it for free
[04:19] <Seveas> hmm...
[04:19] <secata> lol, yea...
[04:20] <lsuactiafner> the culture is, i'm black, whites owe me (and they can argue that indeed its the case) but such an atitude doesnt work in a modern economy
[04:20] <Whistler> is there any way to install free pascal via apt-get?
[04:20] <HappyFool> Whistler: try 'apt-cache search pascal' ?
[04:20] <nalioth> Whistler: packages.ubuntu.com
[04:20] <Seveas> Not really, it's just the opposite of what was going on during apartheid I guess ("I'm white, the blacks are subordinate and owe me")
[04:20] <secata> They talk about unity, but they still distinguish between race...doesn't work that way...
[04:20] <AndyR> billy boy is at live8
[04:20] <lsuactiafner> makin white poorer is harmfull to the economy, since the white ppl with education invest+save, money should be created and evenly distributed, not taken away and distributed
[04:20] <struggler> Seveas: Using version 2 of the udf spec, thanks for trying to help.
[04:21] <lsuactiafner> look @ how the government ignore the white farmers, they import maize ect so that white farmers go bankrupt.
[04:21] <nalioth> howdy, reka
[04:21] <lsuactiafner> in the end they are stealin land for land reform.. in the end we wont have food like zim
[04:22] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, That sounds to me like throwing away mone...
[04:22] <reka> lo nalioth
[04:22] <jsimmons> i would prefer that we don't talk politics here
[04:22] <nalioth> Seveas: us government pays farmers to NOT grow crops
[04:22] <Seveas> nalioth, LOL, really..?
[04:22] <Discipulus> Seveas, you didn't know that?
[04:22] <Seveas> Discipulus, /me is not american :)
[04:23] <secata> I would say, that if there is a chance, it will most prob come in, when the current "previously disadvantaged" with little to no education, get's cycled out with the young generation who is getting at least some education, but even that is problamatic
[04:23] <Seveas> But I am continuously stunned by the syipidity of american governments :)
[04:23] <Discipulus> Seveas, there's been so much growing and fertilization on the land that it hurts the land to keep growing, so in order to preserve the land and be able to grow better crops on it they pay the farmers to NOT grow crops
[04:23] <lsuactiafner> jsimmons : we are south-african, we are white and oppressed, so let us speak lol
[04:23] <secata> Sorry jsimmons ...
[04:23] <HappyFool> lsuactiafner: speak for yourself. i don't feel oppressed at all
[04:23] <secata> The convo just kinda grew on it's own ;o)
[04:23] <lsuactiafner> i do.
[04:24] <Seveas> secata, and conversations like this are OK if it's not too busy IMHO
[04:24] <lsuactiafner> when i wrote matric i was afrikaans in an english school, all my black peers got 5% extra since they werent schooled in their native tongue but i didnt..
[04:24] <Seveas> it's not a violent argument, but a respectful discussion
[04:24] <secata> No prob ;o)
[04:24] <lsuactiafner> thats racism
[04:24] <jsimmons> I just think this isn't the place (political and religious discussions usually turn into flamefests, and we get enough of that on other channels, right?)  :)
[04:24] <CarlFK> apt-get remove shorewall && apt-get install shorewall - the install detected the previous install.  how do I totaly remove it?
[04:24] <Prottie> --purge
[04:25] <CarlFK> thanks
[04:25] <Seveas> jsimmons, if people start flaming, there is an easy way to restore that :)
[04:25] <lsuactiafner> my dad is more qualified than most ppl will ever dream of, he has 20yrs of financial related studies, he was head of westerm cape absa but it took him 3yrs to get a job that pays 1/16 of what he should get
[04:25] <jsimmons> yeah, i know, but i was just thinkig it would be best not to put people in that position
[04:25] <secata> Kinda tends to clog up the ban file on the server tho ;o)
[04:25] <Seveas> jsimmons, ACK
[04:25] <jsimmons> :)
[04:26] <Seveas> secata, well, I regularly weed through it :)
[04:26] <CarlFK> Prottie - E: Command line option 'p' [from -purge]  is not known.
[04:26] <lsuactiafner> he works harder than most ppl do, but becuase he is white he is refused jobs. does that make any sense?
[04:26] <Seveas> a few days ago it was impossible to ban people (list full) :)
[04:26] <neodium> can anyone direct me to where i can get codecs to support mp3's in ubuntu and documentation for a nub on how to install :)
[04:26] <Seveas> CarlFK, --purge
[04:26] <Seveas> not -purge
[04:26] <HappyFool> neodium: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:26] <CarlFK> oh lookie that...
[04:26] <CarlFK> thanks
[04:27] <rebell> Evans: Sagem fast 800 or sth?
[04:27] <nalioths_dog> NeoCicak: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[04:27] <secata> I only graduated from high school and have no specific certification other than a VB-Course Diploma...so I don't complain too much about getting a job even though I have 6 yrs programming exp
[04:27] <Seveas> secata, VB..?
[04:27] <Seveas> you ought to be banned for that :p
[04:28] <Evans> rebell
[04:28] <Evans> yes
[04:28] <mauper> VB is no programming language ;)
[04:28] <secata> Visual Basic...
[04:28] <Evans> sagem fast 800
[04:28] <secata> lol @ mauper
[04:28] <Seveas> secata, I know what it is, I even touched it once, but it's so incredibly ugly :)
[04:28] <secata> I discovered that when I started writing Delphi, C, C++ etc...
[04:28] <rebell> Evans: apt-get install eagle-usb-data eagle-usb-utils eagle-usb-modules-source
[04:29] <secata> It's nothing more than one HUGE com object ;o)
[04:29] <Seveas> :)
[04:29] <mauper> but even I have to admit that c# has some nice syntactic sugar ...
[04:29] <nalioth> such vulgar language....tsk (lol)(
[04:29] <lsuactiafner> i'm studyin accounting+informatics bcom and leaving with siter+family in 2yrs for NZ to start a new life.. lol
[04:29] <secata> lol
[04:29] <lsuactiafner> whats the market for ppl who can program in java?
[04:29] <lsuactiafner> market demand for
[04:30] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, quite good here in NL, dunno about other countries
[04:30] <secata> I would say around 40% ?  Judging from the newspaper...
[04:30] <nalioth> know theres plenty of coders who are fueled with java
[04:31] <Discipulus> what about python?
[04:31] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : i was under the impression you are south-african?
[04:31] <lsuactiafner> Netherlands Kaarsemaker?
[04:31] <lsuactiafner> hmmm
[04:31] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: Seveas is a bot (lol)
[04:31] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, not really, i'm Dutch (Netherlands indeed)
[04:31] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[04:31] <secata> I'm still stuck in low gear about Java...was taught about it when it was nothing more than a watered down version of c++...so trying to see it's true potential...
[04:31] <lsuactiafner> oh yeh forgot
[04:31] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : !shush
[04:31] <CarlFK> will forwarding happen if /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is 0?
[04:32] <Seveas> secata, it's still a watered down version of C++ :)
[04:32] <gorilla_> HappyFool, to narrow the problem down, I commented out glx and nvidia logo is shown but no go on opengl.
[04:32] <Seveas> CarlFK, no
[04:32] <lsuactiafner> CarlFK : nope
[04:32] <Seveas>  /kick lsuactiafner !shush
[04:32] <CarlFK> so how do I make it 1?
[04:32] <Seveas> :p
[04:32] <lsuactiafner> lol
[04:32] <Seveas> echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[04:32] <HappyFool> gorilla_: yeah, i think the glx module is what makes opengl acceleration work
[04:32] <lsuactiafner> gorilla_ : get the latest nvidia driver for glx support
[04:32] <secata> I know Seveas ;o) only now a days it's used way more...and quite powerfull
[04:33] <Discipulus> Seveas is a bot?
[04:33] <mauper> comparing c++ with java is blasphemy! ;)
[04:33] <Seveas> secata, 1.5 (Java 5) introduces so much incompatible changes once more :)
[04:33] <lsuactiafner> 7667 is latest, the prior release had broken glx on ubuntu
[04:33] <mauper> Seveas: huh ?
[04:33] <lsuactiafner> Discipulus : nod.. ai..
[04:33] <Discipulus> lsuactiafner, what programming language?
[04:33] <Seveas> Discipulus, I am a self-learning AI, running on a 12-cell FPGA cluster. Created by nalioth
[04:33] <CarlFK> Seveas - why did that work and not  # echo 1> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward  ?
[04:33] <gorilla_> lsuactiafner, from ubuntu or nvidia.com ??
[04:34] <Seveas> mauper, suddenly enum is a keyword :)
[04:34] <lsuactiafner> i think he is perl
[04:34] <HappyFool> CarlFK: put a space between the 1 and the >
[04:34] <Discipulus> lsuactiafner, who has the source? I'd be interested in seeing it
[04:34] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, yack!
[04:34] <lsuactiafner> from nvidia.com not sure about ubuntu since i dont use ubuntu nvidia packages or kernel
[04:34] <HappyFool> 1> is magic in bash, iirc
[04:34] <Seveas> perl is evil
[04:34] <Discipulus> Seveas, where is your source ode?
[04:34] <CarlFK> oh yeah!  @#$@!!!
[04:34] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : not open-source
[04:34] <Seveas> CarlFK, only root can write to it :)
[04:34] <nalioth> plus the machine running irssi is directly cabled into the internet
[04:34] <mauper> Seveas: hmmm ... ;) Enumeration enum ... seems to be quite common ;)
[04:34] <nalioth> wow how enlightnening
[04:34] <Discipulus> Seveas, are you open source?
[04:34] <Seveas> mauper, even apache axis uses it :)
[04:35] <Seveas> Discipulus, yes
[04:35] <Discipulus> Seveas, where's your source code?
[04:35] <gorilla_> lsuactiafner, should I remove the ubuntu driver then??
[04:35] <jsimmons> x-chat - I think I figured out how to change my message text color (Settings | Advanced | Text Events | Your Message), but it doesn't stick. What am I doing wrong?  I tried clicking SDave and Ok., but it's just not happening.
[04:35] <Seveas> Discipulus, you can get it by typing telinit 0 in a terminal
[04:35] <Seveas> (do NOT do that, just kidding :))
[04:35] <Discipulus> lol
[04:35] <gorilla_> Seveas, you meant telinit 6 :-)
[04:35] <lsuactiafner> gorilla_ : ppl will hate me for sayin this but in my experience you are screwed once you installed the ubuntu apt-get nvidia drivers
[04:35] <CarlFK> Seveas - you missed the # prompt - the only reson to be on the box is to admin it, so I think the root vs sudo thing is .. um... my call ;)
[04:36] <Seveas> :)
[04:36] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[04:36] <Seveas> CarlFK, but indeed the 1> is magic in bash
[04:36] <Seveas> use "1" >
[04:36] <Seveas> echo "1" > /proc/blah...
[04:36] <CarlFK> yeah, I "knew" that even
[04:36] <reka> jsimmons: afaik, that just gives you the corresponding colour number you can then edit via preferences.
[04:36] <lsuactiafner> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[04:36] <lsuactiafner> sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_conntrack_max=8192
[04:37] <Discipulus> Seveas, where's your source code?
[04:37] <CarlFK> if you had asked how to redirecte stderr or whatever, I would have remembered the 2> thing, but wasn't thinking about that
[04:37] <reka> jsimmons: e.g. %C19 means you change colour number 19
[04:37] <Seveas> Discipulus, you will have to search google for that :)
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> &> redirs stdout and stderr
[04:37] <lsuactiafner> CarlFK : can i paste soemthing to you in priv?
[04:37] <Discipulus> bah
[04:37] <CarlFK> sure
[04:38] <jsimmons> that's a stupid design implementation if that's true
[04:39] <rem_> .
[04:40] <Seveas> ,
[04:40] <reka> morse code day?
[04:40] <rem_> ;
[04:40] <gabriel> hola
[04:40] <secata> Stupid question ;o)  What would be the implecations of switching from GNome to KDE?
[04:40] <Seveas> hola gabriel
[04:41] <Seveas> secata, selling your soul to the devil...
[04:41] <HrdwrBoB> secata: you would need to be .. somewhat crazy
[04:41] <Peaker> kde is nice ;)
[04:41] <secata> .. . . .. . . . ..
[04:41] <jsimmons> ahhhhhhh - reka, when you change the parameter string, pressing enter puts the changes in... :)
[04:41] <mauper> secata: say bye bye to your cycles ;)
[04:41] <Peaker> I tried gnome here and there along the years, and I can't get past its awful default look :)
[04:41] <gabriel> i speak spanish
[04:41] <HrdwrBoB> secata: it's completely different
[04:41] <secata> lol
[04:41] <HrdwrBoB> Peaker: I don't know if you've noticed but gnome looks have changed over time :)
[04:41] <Seveas> gabriel, va en #ubuntu-es por espaol
[04:42] <gabriel> soy espaol
[04:42] <Seveas> Peaker, odd, I have the same with KDE :)
[04:42] <Peaker> HrdwrBoB: perhaps, but kde's default look always looked much better :)  And I don't like messing around with themes too much
[04:42] <Peaker> also, kde's dcop mechanism is really nice :)
[04:42] <Seveas> Peaker, are you crazy?
[04:42] <gabriel> good bay
[04:42] <Seveas> DCOP is utter crap...
[04:42] <Peaker> secata: Why? Its really easy to script kde apps with it
[04:42] <HrdwrBoB> the problem with KDE is it's essentially a bunch of good hackers working on good programs
[04:43] <jsimmons> I've been a programmer for 27 years - I'm going to go out and buy a book about GTK - how hard could it be?  :)
[04:43] <Peaker> Seveas: That was meant to you
[04:43] <HrdwrBoB> GNOME is a bunch of good hackers workign TOGETHER on a SYSTEM
[04:43] <Seveas> DCOP is the worst implementation of distributed computing ever
[04:43] <gorilla_> heh :-) I got it... glxgears is telling me 10,195fps.. (No need to tell me that glxgears is not a benchmark; true but it is a good indication). Thanks all that pointed me in the right general direction.
[04:43] <Whistler> is there any software to monitor cpu temperature?
[04:43] <Peaker> HrdwrBoB: KDE is a system, moreso than Gnome I'd say :)
[04:43] <secata> Hmmm...I wonder if I shouldn't rather just do a Bochs linux version and see if I have any probs with it ;o)
[04:43] <reka> jsimmons: dunno.  do you have a car?  do you have money to buy the book? :P
[04:43] <gorilla_> oops sorry abouty line length.
[04:44] <Seveas> Peaker, if you are interested I can send you a detailed article about why DCOP sucks :)
[04:44] <Peaker> HrdwrBoB: KIOSlaves/KParts/KUILib are most of what you see and use in KDE, apps just glue them together
[04:44] <Peaker> Seveas: sure
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[04:44] <secata> Peaker...not really interested in kde apps ;o)
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> but in terms of policy, direction, etc etc
[04:44] <Peaker> Seveas: I already know its good, from a user's perspective. Maybe it can name some implementation details
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> the KDE base libraries are good
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> but eh
[04:44] <mauper> kde is so ... bloated ... ;)
[04:45] <Prottie> gnome too
[04:45] <prostic> Whats the command for installing x.org with apt_
[04:45] <Seveas> mauper, that's..... an understatement
[04:45] <pfp> secata: http://bulbasaur.ton.tut.fi/echramath/misc/desktop_enviroments/ .)
[04:45] <mauper> ;)
[04:45] <Prottie> sawfish + aterm \o/
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> prostic: it's already installed
[04:45] <Seveas> prostic, aptitude install x-window-system
[04:45] <eriksays> suggestions for video editing software?
[04:45] <prostic> no I choose the server
[04:45] <prostic> minimal install
[04:45] <jode> Hi, does anyone know of a good music player for ubuntu?
[04:45] <Seveas> jode, mplayer
[04:45] <Peaker> Seveas: in about 10 secs, I used dcop to: "dcop kicker Panel addBrowserButton /", and have a nice browser on my panel, very cute :)
[04:45] <reka> jode: beep-media-player
[04:45] <gorilla_> prostic, already install but it would be apt-get
[04:45] <Seveas> (or vlc, totem, beep-media-player)
[04:46] <secata> ta pfp
[04:46] <Whistler> is there any software to monitor cpu temperature?
[04:46] <prostic> hmm
[04:46] <mauper> eriksays: yes, do it under w*n - sad but true
[04:46] <Peaker> mauper, Seveas: In what way is KDE "Bloated"?
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> Whistler: sensors
[04:46] <Seveas> Peaker, too bad that the DCOP design is just an excellent example of bad design
[04:46] <prostic> apt-get install 'what??'
[04:46] <Seveas> Peaker, featuritis extremus
[04:46] <pfp> prostic: apt-get install xserver-xorg (if you want just the server)
[04:46] <Peaker> Seveas: Bad design doesn't work well, dcop works very well
[04:46] <Seveas> prostic, aptitude install x-window-system
[04:46] <mauper> Peaker: it does the same as gnome, but steals more resources ...
[04:46] <jode> ok, thanks
[04:46] <prostic> I want to the xorg to run with fluxbox man
[04:46] <Seveas> Peaker, bad design can work, DCOP only works because Qt has serialization of everythinf
[04:47] <Peaker> mauper: It does much nicer than gnome at least from all my attempts to use Gnome, and takes a reasonable amount of resources.. I use old hardware and ahve no problem
[04:47] <Seveas> Peaker, but don't even THINK about interoperability with non-KDE
[04:47] <Discipulus> Where can I read up on Bot AI?
[04:47] <mauper> Peaker: nicer ? what ? The colors ? ;)
[04:47] <Seveas> Peaker, and that is the biggest problem with KDE, they don't care about interoperability with others
[04:47] <Peaker> Seveas: Lowest-common-denominator is a bad idealogy of software design
[04:47] <secata> pfp, if that's true...KDE it is then ;o)
[04:47] <lsuactiafner> Whistler : lm_sensors
[04:47] <Seveas> Peaker, i don't mean that...
[04:47] <Seveas> Peaker, look at D-BUS for instance (or even MCOP)
[04:48] <Peaker> Seveas: Sacrificing power in order to be compatible with line-based old apps or slow corba ipc, is dumb
[04:48] <Seveas> Peaker, again, i'm not talking about that...
[04:48] <InitMass> why is ubuntu using sudo and what's the advantage over an ordinary root account?
[04:48] <mauper> Peaker: corba is still out in the wild ... sigh ...
[04:48] <Peaker> Seveas: How can you control the Gnome panel from scripts or the cmd line?
[04:48] <cas> hi, I want to access my Windows shares with Ubuntu but I've no luck so far. I did followed the wiki SettingUpSamba but the windows configuration won't show up in my network settings
[04:48] <HrdwrBoB> Peaker: why would you need to
[04:48] <Seveas> Peaker, that is just featuritis...
[04:48] <reka> InitMass: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:48] <cas> any ideas what i might have done wrong?
[04:49] <HrdwrBoB> the whole point of GNOME is to work and allow people to get on with it
[04:49] <lsuactiafner> cas : mount -t smbfs //ip/share_name /mnt/mount_point
[04:49] <HrdwrBoB> the biggest flaw
[04:49] <HrdwrBoB> I think currently is that the desktop is not home.
[04:49] <prostic> dammit
[04:49] <prostic> can anyone help me_
[04:49] <paines> hi
[04:49] <prostic> I choose the server mehtod to install ubuntu
[04:49] <Seveas> prostic, I told you TWICE....
[04:49] <paines> is there a faq for breezy ?
[04:49] <lsuactiafner> prostic : what?
[04:49] <prostic> now I want to install xorg using aptget
[04:49] <HrdwrBoB> since changing nautilus desktop to be my home dir I've had much better success with nautlius and myu files
[04:49] <Seveas> paines, no, but there is an answer: do NOT use it :)
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> prostic: just apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[04:50] <cas> lsuactiafner: i don't gat any error but it wont work either
 prostic, aptitude install x-window-system
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> or x-window-system
[04:50] <prostic> no I said apt-get
[04:50] <prostic> not aptitude
[04:50] <HappyFool> *rolls eyes*
[04:50] <Seveas> prostic, same difference
[04:50] <Seveas> aptitude is better though...
[04:50] <prostic> my question concernes apt-get though
[04:50] <cas> lsuactiafner: do i _need_ a username and password even if i didn't have one on my windows machine?
[04:50] <Seveas> prostic, get some clue...
[04:50] <prostic> apt-get install 'what??'
[04:51] <HappyFool> sudo apt-get install x-window-system
[04:51] <Discipulus> prostic, you've already been told
[04:51] <Discipulus> or ubuntu-desktop
[04:51] <Seveas> prostic, x-window-system, you;ve been told that 5 times now..
[04:51] <prostic> happyfool: that installed xfree86
[04:51] <lsuactiafner> cas :nope
[04:51] <Seveas> prostic, then install hoary...
[04:51] <HappyFool> prostic: then you're running warty, not hoary
[04:51] <Peaker> HrdwrBoB, Seveas: In KDE you are able to script the behaviour of every component on the system. This lets you control and configure multiple desktops from one place easily, it lets you use and communicate with existing gui apps in your applications, etc. etc
[04:51] <prostic> well obviously I am
[04:51] <Seveas> Peaker, that's the featuritis extremus I talked about :)
[04:51] <cas> lsuactiafner: it just times out :(
[04:52] <prostic> so what should I type instead
[04:52] <Seveas> Peaker, on gnome you don't need it, gnome works without twiddling :)
[04:52] <Peaker> Seveas: "Featuritis" is better than "Weakitis" :)
[04:52] <HappyFool> prostic: i don't think you can get xorg with warty
[04:52] <Seveas> Peaker, no
[04:52] <mauper> kopete and amarok are nice though ...
[04:52] <Peaker> Seveas: If you twist the definition of "works" hard enough
[04:52] <Seveas> featuritis equals weakness
[04:52] <prostic> happyfool: ok
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> Peaker: and in GNOME, stuff Just Works. Better.
[04:52] <Peaker> HrdwrBoB: hmm.. I beg to differ :) I find KDE apps are of much higher quality most of the time
[04:52] <Seveas> lol
[04:52] <Peaker> "just working" much more often
[04:52] <Seveas> if you twist the definition of quality enough
[04:53] <reka> Peaker: just don't run them under gnome.
[04:53] <paines> Seveas, well. I just installed it
[04:53] <paines> hrhr
[04:54] <Seveas> paines, from Colony cd 2?
[04:54] <Discipulus> Peaker, if you like KDE so much, then I'd go with Kubuntu instead of Ubuntu
[04:54] <paines> Seveas, yes
[04:54] <lsuactiafner> gnome i know do things in a very old way.. kde keeps things more up to date
[04:54] <Peaker> Discipulus: I'd think I could apt-get install kde in any worthy distribution, no?
[04:54] <Seveas> paines, just out of curiosity: everyting works..?
[04:54] <lsuactiafner> so use blackbox, hasnt been updated in years and it still works lol
[04:54] <inc595> fluxbox is faster :)
[04:54] <paines> Seveas, except nvidia drivers, yes
[04:54] <CarlFK> eriksays - lives.sf.net
[04:54] <Discipulus> Peaker, you could
[04:54] <Seveas> because on the mailing list only reports of brokenness are posted :)
[04:54] <Seveas> paines, great :)
[04:54] <prostic> inc595: you use fluxbox?
[04:54] <inc595> well not faster then blackbox
[04:55] <paines> Seveas, weired
[04:55] <inc595> prostic, ya
[04:55] <prostic> inc595: possible to add superkaramba?
[04:55] <inc595> prostic, never heard of it
[04:55] <lsuactiafner> is fluxbox really faster?
[04:55] <Seveas> Peaker, indeed, in any worthy distribution you can use apt-get, but that's another discussion ;)
[04:56] <lsuactiafner> or you can download source and compile it yourself and it will work *cough*
[04:56] <lsuactiafner> but ubuntu build-deps seems very nice
[04:56] <cas> lsuactiafner: it's lightweight so it's faster in startup and use but your apps aint faster
[04:56] <inc595> lsuactiafner, ya it is.. doesn't have to load all that over heard
[04:57] <cyphase_> Hey everyone - My Take On The News - Volume 1, Issue 2 - http://cyphase.homelinux.com/
[04:57] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Stoopid question - if an apt-get breaks, can you back out the upgrade gracefully?
[04:57] <cyphase_> it works!
[04:57] <lsuactiafner> then blackbox and flux should be the same
[04:57] <inc595> there is a how-to on how to get flux working with ubuntu.. then you can have both
[04:58] <Seveas> Tsar_vonHumbug, what do you mean, downgrading a single package..?
[04:58] <inc595> flux is just the prettier version of blackbox.. if you a very stripped down wm then blackbox is it
[04:58] <secata> Time for me to jet.  Nice chatting to you all.  Catch ya later
[04:58] <Seveas> cya secata
[04:58] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Seveas, I've used RPM in the past, and sometimes, the devs have missed dependencies, and an upgrade gets 1/2 way
[04:59] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Leaving you with a broken system, and you can't back out the patch
[04:59] <mauper> must ... try ... fluxbox ... now ... arg ... %-)
[04:59] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Wondering if debian have a better setup than redhat?
[04:59] <lsuactiafner> bleh havin trouble readin, bbl.
[04:59] <Seveas> Tsar_vonHumbug, the actual upgrade will not start until all dependencies are downloaded (and the repositories do not miss dependencies). Welcome to a world without RPM hell :)
[05:00] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Seveas, "(and the repositories do not miss dependencies)" - trifle optimistic methinks ;)
[05:00] <Seveas> Tsar_vonHumbug, no
[05:00] <HappyFool> i think yum does much the same. it also does a 'test' install before actually install rpm's
[05:00] <Seveas> packages cannot get in the ubuntu repositories if there is a missing dependency
[05:00] <HappyFool> installing, even
[05:00] <inc595> yumm.. eww
[05:01] <inc595> whats with all the redhat talk lol
[05:01] <Seveas> inc595, Tsar_vonHumbug is about to see the light, please give it some time :)))
[05:01] <Tsar_vonHumbug> is that just the debian/ubuntu repositories - or all deb depositories? eg the backports site?
[05:01] <HappyFool> yeah, yum is not great. but it's much better than nothing.
[05:02] <inc595> replace it with apt
[05:02] <Seveas> Tsar_vonHumbug, the main ubuntu/debian repositories follow that rule, the ubuntu backports depend on packages from the official repositories only
[05:02] <mauper> flux is so damn UGLY ! ;)
[05:02] <kvidell> mauper: so, fix it! :-P
[05:02] <inc595> flux is what you make of it.. never said it was easy
[05:02] <kvidell> config files are abundant and very customizable.
[05:03] <Seveas> Tsar_vonHumbug, the main repositories use build daemons that ensure that a package only gets into the repositories if all dependencies are there
[05:03] <Tsar_vonHumbug> so from what you're saying Seveas, the deb packager has automatic checks for dependencies when the package gets built?
[05:03] <Peaker> it could be nice if all apps started using xml/yaml config files so generic GUI's to edit them could exist
[05:03] <inc595> mauper, you will need to make your menu system as well... does port straight from gnome
[05:03] <mauper> no, thnx, no flux for me, my time is too precious ;)
[05:03] <Seveas> Tsar_vonHumbug, the package building servers have these checks, the package installer will not commence an install before all dependencies are installed
[05:03] <jsimmons> i saw someone mention that they turned off anti-aliasing for fonts under a certain size - how does one do that?
[05:04] <Peaker> Tsar_vonHumbug: It is of no interest to the package user because the deb package maintainer is responsible for placing all the deps in the package, and all packages are downloaded from a central repository of trusted maintainers
[05:04] <Tsar_vonHumbug> ah, sweet! guess I should catch up on my reading...
[05:04] <Seveas> Tsar_vonHumbug, are you using Ubuntu already?
[05:04] <Peaker> Tsar_vonHumbug: and the dependencies are auto-downloaded/installed by apt
[05:05] <Tsar_vonHumbug> yup, this is off Hoary on my lappie :)
[05:05] <cas> hmmz, the resolving of windows pc's is going fine, but They all timeout if i try to access them or list there services. Any idea what could be wrong with samba?
[05:05] <osity> i partitioned a drive as one big partition and now when ubuntu boots it says special drive sda not found ...any ideas?
[05:05] <Seveas> Tsar_vonHumbug, http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#repo scan through a few of these documents to see some details
[05:05] <Seveas> Tsar_vonHumbug, http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals
[05:05] <Tsar_vonHumbug> cheers Seveas, will take a look, thanks
[05:05] <osity> everything seems fine except for that error...
[05:06] <Seveas> cas, try to access them by IP instead of name
[05:06] <inc595> brb
[05:06] <Tsar_vonHumbug> cas - there's 2 different samba services u need - the nmbd is for netbios resolution, smbd takes care of the actual file sharing
[05:06] <Seveas> osity, can you paste the output of sudo fdisk -l && cat /etc/fstab on paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[05:07] <cas> Seveas: no, the resolving is doing fine and both the name and ip are timing out
[05:07] <nalioth> now to just figure out UTC
[05:07] <Seveas> cas, ah ok, i'll shut up again then :)
[05:07] <cas> Tsar_vonHumbug: but i need to access windows pc's do i need smbd then?
[05:07] <osity> seaves: i cant
[05:07] <Seveas> nalioth, date --utc
[05:08] <cas> Seveas: hehe don't bother every help is welcome :)
[05:08] <nalioth> Seveas: such simplicity right in front of my nose
[05:08] <Tsar_vonHumbug> smbd is what the file transfer is over - usually runs out of inetd
[05:08] <Seveas> Tsar_vonHumbug, he is accessing windows pc's...
[05:08] <Seveas> not from windows to linux :)
[05:08] <osity> Seveas: someone told me yesterday it was becaues of the way the drive was partitionee
[05:09] <Tsar_vonHumbug> oh, duh - i c
[05:09] <Seveas> osity, when does it give this error, on boot..?
[05:09] <osity> Seveas: yes
[05:09] <Seveas> osity, so you cannot boot..?
[05:09] <nalioth> Status of sending notification mails:
[05:09] <nalioth> [en]  DanielHolbach, DanielRobitaille, AndrewMitchell: Mail sent OK
[05:09] <Tsar_vonHumbug> cas - so what's your mount command?
[05:10] <nalioth> i hate blank spaces
[05:10] <osity> Seveas: i can boot fine....it just gives the error...the drive is an empty formatted drive
[05:10] <cas> sudo mount -t smbfs //<ipOrName>/share /mnt/dir
[05:10] <osity> Seveas: i have 3 drives.....1x40gb  2x200gb
[05:10] <cas> Tsar_vonHumbug: sudo mount -t smbfs //<ipOrName>/share /mnt/dir
[05:11] <Seveas> osity, are the old paritions still in /etc/fstab perhaps?
[05:11] <osity> Seveas:  Linux is on the 40gb....the 200's are to be partitioned and then raieded
[05:11] <_SWAT_> Seveas, nice drives :)
[05:11] <Seveas> cas, have you tried smb://ip/share in nautilus..?
[05:11] <osity> Seveas: dont think so ...its a fresh install of ubuntu
[05:11] <CarlFK> on my RH firewall box I have a script: dhcpcd-eth0.exe to update DynDNS - whats the Ubuntu way?
[05:12] <_SWAT_> osity, nice drives (I meant you)
[05:12] <osity> :)
[05:12] <jsimmons> anyone here using an Epson Stylus R200?
[05:12] <misfit_toy> has anyone figured out why the system will suddenly go to 99% cpu? it has to be a gnome thing because I've seen the same thing with FC
[05:12] <Tsar_vonHumbug> cas - what version 'doze is the share on?
[05:12] <mauper> CarlFK: ddclient ?
[05:12] <Seveas> CarlFK, ddclient
[05:12] <Seveas> damn, too late ;)
[05:12] <Prottie> misfit_toy: what does top say?
[05:12] <cas> Seveas: will try
[05:12] <mauper> lol
[05:12] <Tsar_vonHumbug> misfit_toy, what's 'top' show?
[05:13] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Prottie, 'snap'!
[05:13] <kvidell> Tsar_vonHumbug: top shows top ;)
[05:13] <Tsar_vonHumbug> lol
[05:13] <misfit_toy> it's not doing it right now, but when it does, top usually shows it being firefox or evolution or xorg itself
[05:13] <_SWAT_> samba works fine here :) (Ubuntu hoary <> Windows XP)
[05:13] <osity> Seveas: i was told I had to partition the drive a way other than one whole device.....
[05:13] <kvidell> sorry.. I've used solaris a bit too much. I'm jaded by "top"
[05:13] <Prottie> misfit_toy: so it changes?
[05:14] <cas> Tsar_vonHumbug: what do you mean?
[05:14] <misfit_toy> on the FC box I used to have it was a bunch of gnome pieces, like gnome-vfs, etc...
[05:14] <mauper> misfit_toy: I think there are some system cron jobs (like logging etc.) run daily
[05:14] <Prottie> misfit_toy: when being firefox my guess is flash
[05:14] <Tsar_vonHumbug> what version are the windows boxes running? 98, XP, etc?
[05:14] <wdh> misfit_toy, firefox tends to eat up my resources here when i open a few tabs...not sure why..
[05:14] <inc595> mauper, here are some screenshots of my fluxbox on ubuntu http://ubuntu.minimzx.com/screenshot.jpg http://ubuntu.minimzx.com/screenshot2.jpg
[05:14] <korCZiz> cas: when i used mount -t smbfs //192.168.0.1/FTP /mnt/smb/kuba/FTP it need password. who password it is? administrator's on the target machine? its blank. so i type only enter and i got access denied. how can i specify which user should be used for connecting over smb?
[05:15] <misfit_toy> Prottie, that's a good guess, I used to have a util that shows all child parent processes, I can't remember what it was called, looking on sourceforge right now
[05:15] <Prottie> I have ditched firefox because they have removed ctrl+u to remove everything in the adressline and I cant click on the midle mousebutton to paste in the browser window anymore. so firefox left and opera joined :)
[05:15] <wdh> inc595, its nice.. although i hate the fake-transparency :)
[05:16] <inc595> Prottie, just use lynx lol
[05:16] <mauper> inc595: mkay, looks nice, but I think I stick to gnome, thanks :)
[05:16] <cas> korCZiz: did you entered sudo before it?
[05:16] <korCZiz> cas: no
[05:16] <korCZiz> su
[05:16] <_SWAT_> korCZiz, it's the pass/login from the windows guest account :P
[05:16] <inc595> wdh, fake? lol
[05:16] <korCZiz> and typed root's password and than type mount....
[05:16] <IcemanV9> what about epiphany?
[05:16] <lsuactiafner> Prottie : i run latest firefox but in a chroot, i can use middle paste, but not fire ubuntu firefox package
[05:16] <nalioth> wdh: use galeon or kazehakase
[05:17] <korCZiz> _SWAT_: oh so, but guest account is rejected
[05:17] <_SWAT_> inc595, Nice screenies :D (my willingness is +10 to install fluxbox :D)
[05:17] <Prottie> iks galeon still developed?
[05:17] <wdh> inc595, well.. its not real either :)
[05:17] <Prottie> I loved galeon!
[05:17] <korCZiz> _SWAT_: so i need specify other user
[05:17] <jsimmons> is there a way to run on anti-aliasing for openGL?
[05:17] <kvidell> korCZiz: sudo mount -t smbfs -o username=remoteuser,password=theirpassword //ip-or-netbiosname/share-name /mount/point
[05:18] <_SWAT_> korCZiz, you always need to set the account somewhere. On english winxp it's guest/guest I think. I had to 'test' a lot of it myself..
[05:18] <inc595> wdh, everything on the screen is fake lol so the transperency is real in that sense
[05:18] <lsuactiafner> _SWAT_ : ftp://ftp.uunet.co.za/pub/incoming/draconis/bb0.jpg <-- blackbox
[05:18] <Tsar_vonHumbug> unless your windows box is running cifs, when you should mount -t cifs ...
[05:18] <inc595> _SWAT_,  yeah it does that job nicely
[05:19] <lsuactiafner> i just use simple mount -t smbfs //ip/share_name /mnt/mount_point
[05:19] <_SWAT_> lsuactiafner, I already saw your screenies :D
[05:19] <lsuactiafner> ah
[05:19] <lsuactiafner> lol
[05:19] <lsuactiafner> well i want to brag more
[05:19] <korCZiz> kvidell: yes, its working perfectly, thnx very much
[05:19] <_SWAT_> lsuactiafner, inc595 @ fluxbox.... does it support dual-screen? (does it work)
[05:19] <lsuactiafner> but -rootwin and eterm transparency doesnt work well
[05:19] <lsuactiafner> how do you guys use transparency?
[05:19] <kvidell> korCZiz: hehe. no worries.
[05:20] <korCZiz> _SWAT_: i have set guest account dissabled on the brother's pc
[05:20] <Brenton> can someone help me with mounting a drive?  I'm quite the newbe
[05:20] <lsuactiafner> _SWAT_ : i think dual-screen has only to do with xorg not the window manager
[05:20] <inc595> _SWAT_, never had the pleasure of dual screen but i don't see why not if other wm's can
[05:21] <lsuactiafner> Brenton : what type of disk? sata or ide?
[05:21] <Brenton> ide, fat
[05:21] <kvidell> Xinerama == Multi-Head support for X, isn't it?
[05:21] <Brenton> lsuactiafner: I just forget all the commands
[05:21] <huru> hi fellows, anyone who could tell me how to get sound working? rhythmbox tells me: ALSA device "default" does not exist :(
[05:21] <_SWAT_> korCZiz, I always used the guest account. But I guess you should be able to mount/login using the admin login/pass. Did you try accessing the drive using the "Network server" and then going to the computer in question?
[05:22] <Brenton> lsuactiafner: like, what's the command for listing HD info?
[05:22] <lsuactiafner> Brenton : mkdir /mnt/01 ; mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/01 <-- hda might be hdb1 ect
[05:22] <lsuactiafner> df -lh
[05:22] <lsuactiafner> and df -h
[05:22] <cas> Everything works now, It was that damned windows firewall, tnx for your time everybody!
[05:22] <huru> permissions are ok, i've tried all the options in multimedia systems selector but i only get errors like: Failed to construct test pipeline for 'OSS - Open Sound System' etc
[05:23] <lsuactiafner> also, cfdisk /dev/hda or hdb or hdc i find usefull to show me what partition number to use
[05:23] <raiz> Hey, I've looked at the ubuntu wiki for help on installing java and getting javac to work, but none of the pages have worked on my machine... All I did though was do a search for java in the wiki... does anyone know of any other ubuntu java sites?
[05:23] <_SWAT_> cas, you just love the winxp firewall.... It's 'le crap' :/
[05:24] <cas> :)
[05:24] <lsuactiafner> raiz : i got the jave package from sun site and it worked perfectly
[05:24] <korCZiz> _SWAT_: i am connected from diskless station to ubuntu over ssh when i have mounted the directories from next another pc... i have not possibility to use it, because i have not X usable over ssh
[05:24] <reka> raiz: (credit goes to Seveas):  for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[05:24] <_SWAT_> korCZiz, you can use VNC over SSH :D
[05:24] <raiz> I tried that.
[05:25] <inc595> korCZiz, yeah you can use vnc over ssh to make a thinclient
[05:25] <kvidell> raiz: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[05:25] <kvidell> that help?
[05:25] <_SWAT_> korCZiz, I thought the command (for browser) was something like smb://ip-windows-pc/share-name
[05:25] <larsrohdin> hi, how can i change the picture of the users in gdm?
[05:25] <korCZiz> _SWAT_: on the diskless station (Pentium 75MHz, 32MB ram, without mouse, only keybord) it is not possible
[05:25] <lsuactiafner> there is a way to use x over ssh
[05:25] <Brenton> lsuactiafner: Hmm, not working, what's the command for seeing the partitions of the drive?
[05:25] <reka> raiz: well what doesn't work?
[05:25] <raiz> Thanks kvidell...
[05:25] <korCZiz> inc595: this is diskless-no-x-thin-client
[05:25] <raiz> That's the site I was looking for.
[05:25] <reka> Brenton: sudo fdisk -l
[05:25] <PhantomFreak> Having trouble installing my Netgear WG511 card. The info on the wiki doesn't work!
[05:25] <lsuactiafner> Brenton : <lsuactiafner> also, cfdisk /dev/hda or hdb or hdc i find usefull to show me what partition number to use
[05:26] <raiz> How did you find it?
[05:26] <kvidell> raiz: I've been doing this awhile :)
[05:26] <inc595> korCZiz, is it just a dumb terminal? diskless only referrs to no disk drives
[05:26] <Nebular> my apt can't seem to find the kernel-source-2.6.9, I have universe and multiverse set in my sources.list and packages.ubuntu.com says it's in hoary, but it's not coming up
[05:26] <raiz> Ok... Thanks.
[05:26] <korCZiz> inc595: its broken pc, serial connectors are not working
[05:26] <Nebular> any ideas as to what I could be missing?
[05:27] <inc595> what os is currently running on it
[05:27] <korCZiz> inc595: i have made dump terminal from it, because i have destroyed some parts...
[05:27] <korCZiz> inc595: disk
[05:27] <veryxiao> Hello,every one~
[05:27] <inc595> korCZiz, you jsut said it was diskless
[05:27] <kvidell> lsuactiafner: ssh -X host
[05:27] <kvidell> ?
[05:27] <korCZiz> and is here any way how install openbsd from running linux?
[05:27] <veryxiao> I'm Chinese boy~
[05:27] <korCZiz> inc595: yes i know
[05:27] <larsrohdin> how can i change the picture of the user in GDM?
[05:28] <inc595> so what does it boot from ? specifically
[05:28] <kvidell> larsrohdin: sudo gdmsetup
[05:28] <korCZiz> inc595: i ment it was not neccessary
[05:28] <kvidell> is it in that?
[05:28] <korCZiz> inc595: its my mistake, sorry
[05:28] <PhantomFreak> Anyone, Netgear WG511 wireless card! Any suggestions...
[05:28] <reka> veryxiao: that's nice :-/
[05:28] <inc595> PhantomFreak, I have the wg511T card it works great
[05:28] <larsrohdin> kvidell, yeah and then what?
[05:28] <gorilla_> veryxiao: that is a a usefull contribution :-/
[05:29] <kvidell> No idea :-\ I haven't used X in ages. Not in there at all though?
[05:29] <inc595> PhantomFreak, it has arthos chipset.. just use madwifi
[05:29] <PhantomFreak> For some reason it isn't being identified properly.
[05:29] <Brenton> lsuactiafner: crap, I didn't realize is was NTFS... I did "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda5 /mnt/ddrive" and it worked, but now I'm getting permission errors when I try and open it.  Any ideas?
[05:29] <kvidell> Brenton: mount it -ro (read only)
[05:29] <larsrohdin> kvidell, i can't find anything
[05:29] <PhantomFreak> I can't find madwifi!
[05:29] <korCZiz> but i have also another problem, i need set VNC so i cann use another desktop, not than its running on ubuntu? how can i start next one desktop for example on ubuntu:1 ?
[05:30] <Brenton> kvidell:  do I have to unmount it first?
[05:30] <korCZiz> i need another desktop for brother, for his logging into ubuntu
[05:30] <korCZiz> and playing linux network games over loopback
[05:30] <kvidell> Brenton: uh huh.
[05:30] <inc595> PhantomFreak, what so you get when you lspci?
[05:30] <korCZiz> i have automatically seted on redhat's vnc installation
[05:30] <inc595> PhantomFreak, do you see this? 000:06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)
[05:31] <Brenton> kvidell: how do I do that :)
[05:31] <kvidell> Brenton: sudo umount /mount/point works
[05:31] <PhantomFreak> 0000:02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd.: Unknown device 1faa (rev 03)
[05:32] <kvidell> larsrohdin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32158&highlight=gdm+pictures
[05:32] <larsrohdin> kvidell, thanks!
[05:32] <kvidell> sorry for leaving the highlights in the url, hehe
[05:32] <inc595> PhantomFreak, TRY MODPROBE ATH0
[05:32] <Brenton> kvidell: cool, so now I want to do "sudo mount -t -ro ntfs /dev/hda5 /mnt/ddrive?"
[05:32] <kvidell> I always forget to parse those out
[05:33] <inc595> sorry bout the caps
[05:33] <kvidell> -t ntfs -ro
[05:33] <inc595> modprobe ath0
[05:33] <PhantomFreak> inc595 Module ath0 not found
[05:34] <kvidell> it might just be -r, I'm not sure. I only have access to an old OpenBSD box right now and it's mount manpage says "-r"
[05:34] <kvidell> can someone on ubuntu confirm that for me?
[05:34] <Brenton> kvidell: sudo mount -t ntfs -ro /dev/hda5 /mnt/ddrive  ...cause it didn't work
[05:34] <inc595> i can't remember how I got my system to identify it
[05:34] <inc595> PhantomFreak,  how about modprobe -l madwifi
[05:34] <gorilla_> kvidell, for mounting something read-only, it is -r
[05:34] <_SWAT_> I've just finished watching the Chinese movie "the eye". It's kinda like the 6th sense, just better. Even though I had to read the english subtitles it was still a good movie.
[05:35] <kvidell> gorilla_: thank ye :)
[05:35] <PhantomFreak> inc595 No errors, but still can't find card
[05:35] <kvidell> Brenton: so apparently, try what I said but remove the "o" from -ro.
[05:35] <reka> _SWAT_: i guess you don't get many movies with dutch subtitles?
[05:35] <gorilla_> _SWAT_, better  to read subtitles than listen to bad dubs :-)
[05:35] <Nebular> any ideas as to why kernel-source-2.6.9 isn't showing up in apt?
[05:36] <kvidell> (I got confused because you specify "ro" in fstab options.. two letter options don't exist in cli stuff though obviously, I should have realised.)
[05:36] <shift-u> Hello everybody!
[05:36] <Nebular> I'm running hoary
[05:36] <GNULinuxer> has anyone upgraded to breezy yet?
[05:36] <kvidell> Nebular: apt-cache search kernel-source
[05:36] <kvidell> GNULinuxer: I have a 1u running it
[05:36] <Brenton> kvidell: worked, but still getting permissions errors
[05:36] <kvidell> dual p3 800mhz, 1 gig ECC ram.
[05:36] <GNULinuxer> kvidell: lu ?
[05:36] <kvidell> GNULinuxer: It's a rackmount server that takes up 1 "u" (rack unit) of space.
[05:37] <_SWAT_> reka, I also get a lot of dutch subtitles, but I rather read the english ones
[05:37] <inc595> PhantomFreak, you have madwifi installed?
[05:37] <GNULinuxer> kvidell: any idea about X?
[05:37] <kvidell> Brenton: Are you trying to browse as root?
[05:37] <Brenton> no
[05:37] <kvidell> GNULinuxer: It appears to work on the monitor that
[05:37] <Nebular> only one that shows up is kernel-source-2.4.27
[05:37] <gorilla_> GNULinuxer, 1u is one rack unit of space or about 1.75" or 44.45mm.. I think
[05:37] <Brenton> I'm on a live disk
[05:37] <kvidell> GNULinuxer: It appears to work on the monitor that/s attached to it, and it does work forwarded to other clients.
[05:37] <GNULinuxer> gorilla_: yeah, thanks
[05:37] <GNULinuxer> kvidell: good
[05:37] <PhantomFreak> inc595 I can't seem to find out! It doesn't seem so
[05:37] <GNULinuxer> Kvark: when did you upgrade?
[05:38] <Brenton> kvidell: I'm on a live CD trying to extract crap from my failed HD
[05:38] <_SWAT_> gorilla_, indeed. The dubs often screw up the entire movie. I'm German and I hate the german dubs..... Have you any idea how 'bad' it is to listen to everyone and it's not lip-synched and the jokes of comedy's just don't work as they supposed to
[05:38] <Kvark> upgrade what?
[05:38] <GNULinuxer> kvidell: when did you move to breezy?
[05:38] <kvidell> Kvark: That was for me I think, go back to lurking :-P
[05:38] <reka> Nebular: what about linux-source-2.6.10?  (hoary runs the .10 kernel by default)
[05:38] <PhantomFreak> inc595 I can't find the file madwifi.ko... So probably not installed!
[05:38] <kvidell> GNULinuxer: Well.. I had a laptop running it awhile back.. and it worked fine but X eventually died... I installed Breezy on this er... two nights ago?
[05:38] <Nebular> the only source that comes up is kernel-source2.4.27
[05:39] <IcemanV9> PhantomFreak: you might want to check this out > http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38972
[05:39] <kvidell> Nebular: When was your last apt-get update ?
[05:39] <GNULinuxer> kvidell: i have a laptop ... should I move to breezy?
[05:39] <Nebular> just now
[05:39] <_SWAT_> Nebular, getting the 2.6.x branch here :)
[05:39] <reka> _SWAT_: do you get those old kungfu movies dubbed in german/dutch?  i'm wondering if they are as badly dubbed as the english ones. :)
[05:40] <Nebular> _SWAT_: then I'm missing something in my source.list, but I'm not sure what
[05:40] <kvidell> hm.. Brenton: So.. you've mounted it, then as your usual user are trying to browse the mounted parition in a live cd?
[05:40] <inc595> PhantomFreak, I think it it comes with ubuntu.. you running hoary?
[05:40] <_SWAT_> Nebular, www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:40] <nalioth> _SWAT_: please dont advise ubuntuguide
[05:40] <Brenton> kvidell: yes
[05:40] <nalioths_dog> Nebular: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[05:41] <kvidell> nalioth: Would you prefer google?
[05:41] <reka> kvidell: yes, he would. :)
[05:41] <kvidell> Brenton: Well, as long as it's mounted read only I don't see any harm in sudo nautilus
[05:41] <nalioth> _SWAT_: Nebular kvidell please see #3 here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[05:41] <topyli> Nebular: your sources.list is probably ok. what you want is linux-source, not kernel-source
[05:41] <ironmc> how do I access my floppy drive??
[05:42] <korCZiz> how can i set anonymous public access for nfs (in /etc/exports)?
[05:42] <_SWAT_> nalioth, why shouldn't I advise ubuntuguide?
[05:42] <rubenv> Has anyone got experience with the synaptics touchpad?
[05:42] <rubenv> Mine doesn't tap-to-click anymore after suspending
[05:42] <kvidell> nalioth: That thing seems really out of date.
[05:42] <rubenv> anyone got a solution?
[05:42] <reka> ironmc: places -> computer
[05:42] <nalioth> _SWAT_: please see #3 here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[05:42] <nalioth> kvidell: what the URL i just sent?
[05:42] <kvidell> nalioth: As long as it's for something as simple as getting a default sources.list I don't see any harm in it.
[05:42] <kvidell> yes.
[05:42] <kvidell> I see the "last edited" date
[05:42] <Brenton> kvidell: YES! You rock!
[05:42] <nalioth> kvidell: it was written within the last 2 weeks i believe
[05:43] <ironmc> reka: thanks
[05:43] <reka> kvidell: there is if it has backports in it
[05:43] <_SWAT_> reka, I watched 1 kungfumovie once in german... for 1 minute.... I'd rather watch the english dubbed, or chinese subbed ("Unleashed" subbed was GREAT, by the way)
[05:43] <kvidell> but it looks like it was done by someone with a vendeta against the guide.
[05:43] <kvidell> reka: What's wrong with backports? At least it's not Marillat.
[05:43] <Tsar_vonHumbug> nalioth, what's wrong with ubuntuguide dude?
[05:43] <kvidell> Backports is at least official.
[05:43] <nalioth> Tsar_vonHumbug: please see #3 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[05:43] <topyli> kvidell: no it's not
[05:43] <inc595> PhantomFreak, I think you are going to need to use ndiswrapper https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetgearWG511AndNdiswrapper?highlight=%28wg511%29
[05:43] <nalioth> kvidell: but bp can screw you up, too
[05:43] <erb> hi
[05:44] <Harley^> Which Ubuntu repositories of .deb files have jre AND Openoffice Beta2 ?
[05:44] <Seveas> nalioth, but a lot less than merillat :)
[05:44] <kvidell> So are you mad at me for telling someone to use it to solve a JRE issue?
[05:44] <Seveas> Harley^, backports for the first universe for the latter
[05:44] <_SWAT_> nalioth, it's just that I used Ubuntuguide for several things (including my sources.list) as for adding backports etc. and it very much satisfied my 'needs'
[05:44] <kvidell> would you prefer I just paraphrase it?
[05:44] <jasmuz> Hello all
[05:44] <osity> i partitioned a drive as one big partition and now when ubuntu boots it says special drive sda not found ...any ideas? anyone?
[05:44] <Seveas> kvidell, Java instuctions on ubuntuguide are extremely icky
[05:44] <nalioth> Seveas: i just try to keep folks operable
[05:44] <osity> Seveas: you're back
[05:45] <Harley^> Seveas, would you post the full url please ?
[05:45] <Seveas> osity, no i am not
[05:45] <osity> Seveas: oh ..ok
[05:45] <Seveas> osity, that is the product of your imagination ;)
[05:45] <kvidell> Seveas: They worked alright for me.
[05:45] <nalioth> _SWAT_: depending on how many of the 'guides instructions you've followed, your system may have a lengthy life or a short one
[05:45] <Seveas> Harley^, backports.ubuntuforums.org
[05:45] <_SWAT_> hehehehehe :P
[05:45] <osity> Seveas:im in the product business
[05:45] <Harley^> hrmm
[05:45] <kvidell> I actually prefer using Ubuntu-Geek's whizzy-script.
[05:45] <kvidell> or just upgrading to breezy, heh.
[05:45] <kvidell> :-P
[05:45] <kvidell> solves a lot of problems for me.
[05:45] <Seveas> kvidell, that is even more icky...
[05:46] <Seveas> (last time i saw it)
[05:46] <kvidell> UG's script or Breezy?
[05:46] <Seveas> UG
[05:46] <kvidell> oh, hehe
[05:46] <Seveas> ('s script)
[05:46] <kvidell> He's made a few updates to it.
[05:46] <Seveas> UG himself is a cool guy :)
[05:46] <Harley^> Seveas, So is it deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary main restricted ?
[05:46] <Seveas> Harley^, no
[05:46] <Harley^> oh
[05:46] <Seveas> Harley^: To find out the location of backports, go to backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[05:46] <Harley^> hrmm
[05:47] <kvidell> Breezy has it's own issues but it works great as server on a box with no head end anyway.
[05:47] <denver> is there a french help channel ?
[05:47] <PhantomFreak> inc595 I've tried ndiswrapper, it doesn't work either!
[05:47] <Harley^> AH !
[05:47] <kvidell> (no worry for xorg)
[05:47] <Seveas> kvidell, not running X removes most breakage indeed :)
[05:47] <nalioth> denver: #ubuntu-fr
[05:47] <Seveas> denver, #ubuntu-fr
[05:47] <IcemanV9> w0w. epiphany responses a lot faster than firefox on my box.
[05:47] <denver> thx
[05:47] <reka> denver: #ubuntu-fr
[05:47] <Tsar_vonHumbug> nalioth, thx for clearing that up - point taken
[05:47] <Kvark> I can't get my Acecat Flair USB graphics tablet from AceCad to work
[05:47] <reka> i win. :)
[05:47] <keir> can someone send me their /boot/config-2.6.10-5-386? i just installed debian, and when i recompile the kernel it doesn't recognize my SATA drive (ubuntu did)
[05:47] <Kvark> HAL recognizes that it is a graphics tablet from acecad and when i hold the pen over it, the led goes green so it detects the pen
[05:48] <Kvark> but when I try move the mouse pointer or click with it, the led goes orange, as it should when a 3D game is running or there for some other reason makes no sence to move a mouse pointer around
[05:48] <trey> whats up everyine
[05:48] <Kvark> it just doesn't move the pointer :'(
[05:48] <Seveas> keir, I only have the -686 version, is that ok for you too>?
[05:48] <trey> I successfully installed ubuntu on my thinkpad 600e
[05:48] <_SWAT_> nalioth, I used the guide for mplayer/backports/rssowl/samba :)
[05:48] <keir> Seveas, perfect
[05:48] <kvidell> trey: I'm packing and washing clothes to prepare for a roughly 3,000 mile move? hehe
[05:49] <trey> lol
[05:49] <Seveas> keir http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/368
[05:49] <Kvark> anyone know anything that can be done about my graphics tablet?
[05:49] <trey> where are you moving?
[05:49] <reka> trey: first linux distro?
[05:49] <gorilla_> kvidell, yuck... not my idea of fun.... unless it is to somewhere warmer.
[05:49] <keir> Seveas, thanks!
[05:49] <kvidell> which goes down in 28 hours
[05:49] <_SWAT_> anyone here got a MX1000 configured ? (I am lazy, and would love to have the config file :P)
[05:49] <nalioth> _SWAT_: lots of people have had to reinstall, because of bp/marillat (the versions disagree with ofiicial ubuntu)
[05:49] <trey> successfully yes
[05:49] <kvidell> California to Vermont
[05:49] <ompaul> what is that tool that provides a starter and stopper of services works in a terminal?
[05:49] <kvidell> by no means warmer :-D
[05:49] <Seveas> nalioth, fortunately that problem has been solved in backports :)
[05:49] <jasmuz> _SWAT_: Linux isnt for lazy people
[05:49] <Seveas> but marillat remains icky
[05:50] <Seveas> and BP is still "Use with care"
[05:50] <nalioth> Seveas: really?
[05:50] <trey> although i have tried debian but ubuntu is my favorite
[05:50] <Seveas> nalioth, yes
[05:50] <kvidell> ompaul: er.. /etc/init.d/service start/stop ?
[05:50] <kvidell> or is that old fashioned?
[05:50] <Seveas> kvidell, yes :)
[05:50] <jasoncohen> Seveas, marillat actually works with ubuntu- at all?
[05:50] <Seveas> invoke-rc.d $service start/stop
[05:50] <kvidell> ah
[05:50] <kvidell> okay :)
[05:50] <Seveas> jasoncohen, currently mostly not
[05:50] <_SWAT_> nalioth, hmmm... evil. Well I haven't got any problems yet. Most uptime was 10 days (then I had to boot to windows), so I'm not expecting any problems. But thnx for pointing out the 'evil' of the guide. Many forum-users point the guide out as 'the holy grail'.
[05:50] <gorilla_> kvidell, yes but it works :-)
[05:50] <reka> jasmuz: really?  every single geek i know is lazy in some way. :)
[05:51] <kvidell> my mentioned method is left over from when one of my debianazi friends taught me how to use linux originally.
[05:51] <Ubuntian> does someone know an app to convert avi to mpeg-2?
[05:51] <Seveas> _SWAT_, but all smart people are only on the mailinglist, not on the forum ;)
[05:51] <nalioth> _SWAT_: its not about uptime, its about when you go to upgrade something
[05:51] <lsuactiafner> Ubuntian : mencoder
[05:51] <jasmuz> reka: that is true...im lazy with my studies
[05:51] <Seveas> uptime is a much over-esteemed statistic
[05:51] <_SWAT_> nalioth, no problems upgrading (all is wel, uptill now)
[05:51] <Ubuntian> lsuactiafner, for linux right?
[05:52] <nalioth> _SWAT_: users reach points of version disagreements, and they can't uninstall all the unofficial stuff (cuz its way too much) and they can't upgrade
[05:52] <_SWAT_> ah, OK
[05:52] <mauper> Seveas: no, it isn't - mine is longer ;-P ;)
[05:52] <korCZiz> how can i manualy format hdc1 ?
[05:52] <kvidell> _SWAT_: At my apartment here we have an OpenBSD file server. It was up for roughly 740 days when the arp-cache overflowed and annihilated samba and the webserver, lol. All of a sudden our XBox was like "Aaahhh.. I just lost all of the shares I was reading from for videos, music and MAME Roms.. I'm going to crash now. kthx."
[05:52] <kvidell> It was a sad day indeed.
[05:52] <Seveas> korCZiz, mkfs
[05:53] <_SWAT_> nalioth, you mean the kind of users that install everything on the list (ubuntuguide). Let me say this: it has it's usefullness (mplayer etc.)
[05:53] <_SWAT_> kvidell, :-/. That sucks. Could you recover all?
[05:53] <korCZiz> Seveas: thnx
[05:53] <kvidell> It just required a reboot
[05:53] <nalioth> _SWAT_: yes, there ARE some useful things, but hte avg 'new' user can't distinguish tween useful and terrible
[05:53] <kvidell> everything's been fine since.
[05:54] <kvidell>  8:54AM  up 51 days, 20:48, 2 users, load averages: 0.17, 0.13, 0.09
[05:54] <kvidell> it died 51 days ago ^.^
[05:54] <ompaul> Seveas, kvidell emm I found it, rcconf
[05:54] <jasoncohen> are there still problems upgrading with backports? i.e. will backports users have problems when breezy is released?
[05:54] <reka> _SWAT_: i use it's sound fix everytime i reinstall....then again, i'm 100% certain on what it all means...
[05:54] <Nebular> hrm
[05:54] <korCZiz> and when i format it, set it bootable, and copy on it running live linux from ramdisk should it be possible to boot and use?
[05:54] <_SWAT_> kvidell, hehehe... Alrighty then. I thought you really lost all your files. That would've sucked
[05:54] <lsuactiafner> heh, you guys might have more uptime.. but my load is bigger than yours!!!!
[05:54] <reka> *not 100% certain rather :D
[05:54] <denver> hello, is it possible to set a different background on each desktops ?
[05:55] <Nebular> I took the source.list from paste.ubuntu.com and it still doesn't have it
[05:55] <nalioth> _SWAT_: it is commonly recommended now that BP only be enabled to get the ONE pkg you are looking for at the time, then commented out
[05:55] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, http://creme.schottelius.org/~nico/schwanz3/
[05:55] <Nebular> still only have 2.4.27
[05:55] <_SWAT_> reka, what kind of 'sound fix' do you need? (and why do you say "everytime I reinstall".... that sounds nasty)
[05:55] <greg__> ubuntu rocks and is the best distro ever!
[05:55] <greg__> thanx, that is all
[05:55] <lsuactiafner> will prolly take hours to open but will go look
[05:56] <kvidell> _SWAT_: no, not quite
[05:56] <kvidell> decker:data {111} du -hs mp3/ videos/ software/roms/MAME/
[05:56] <kvidell> 31G     mp3/
[05:56] <kvidell> 86G     videos/
[05:56] <kvidell> 10G     software/roms/MAME/
[05:56] <osity> Seveas: any idea what is going on with my drives with the special device not found err
[05:56] <kvidell> I would have cried for a couple days if that happened.
[05:56] <reka> _SWAT_: hehe. multiple sounds etc.
[05:56] <kvidell> And I have another 100 or so gigs of stuff on my personal server.
[05:56] <kvidell> (aptly named 'wonky')
[05:57] <kvidell> (it's running fedora_
[05:57] <_SWAT_> I mean I had my share of trouble with ubuntu. I was on a LAN while changing from windows to linux. (let's just say I didn't game very much)
[05:57] <Seveas> osity, no, you still didn't tell me when exactly the error happened :)
[05:57] <_SWAT_> but after the LAN my PC was working great (a friend of mine (linuxuser) helped me a lot of the time)
[05:57] <kevin> I was having a problem with a jumpy mouse on my dell c600, which seems like a common problem. I disabled powernowd and it goes away. I just want to make sure that its ok to disable that, and its not going to hurt anything
[05:58] <reka> _SWAT_: and about the reinstalls, one was my fault, one was when the packaging system completely borked, another was when i was having a logging out problem.
[05:58] <gorilla_> kvidell, we won't ask where you go 31G of mp3 from :-P
[05:58] <kvidell> no where.
[05:58] <_SWAT_> reka, damn. That's just plain evil. I thought reinstalling so much was a windows thingie
[05:58] <kvidell> >.>
[05:58] <deancolinux> Hello, how do you start a application automatically in Gnome at startup?
[05:58] <_SWAT_> gorilla_, he ripped it all from the CD's he bought
[05:58] <_SWAT_> or he downloaded it all from webshops :D
[05:59] <Seveas> deancolinux, system -> preferences -> sessions
[05:59] <Seveas> deancolinux, rightmost tab there
[05:59] <deancolinux> Thanx...
[05:59] <nalioth> deancolinux: system > prefs > sessions
[05:59] <lsuactiafner> 4926 sh ./schwanz3-rc8.sh -s
[05:59] <lsuactiafner> -811.98505783081054687500
[05:59] <lsuactiafner> ?
[05:59] <nalioth> can't compete with teraflops
[05:59] <sexcopter8000m> hello, I'm just setting up ubuntu, new to linux, having some problems with sound. Thing is sound is only coming through my onboard card, and i want it to come through my pci card. can anyone help me?
[06:00] <Seveas> lol!
[06:00] <reka> _SWAT_: well to be fair, with the exception of that packaging instance, i could probably have fixed the system if i was eager enough.
[06:00] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, negative schwanz :D
[06:00] <lsuactiafner> lol
[06:00] <kvidell> "decker"'s data partition is a 400 gig 1+0 raid.
[06:00] <_SWAT_> sexcopter8000m, you just need to select the right sound device :)
[06:00] <lsuactiafner> bleh but it didnt check all my mp3s ect?
[06:00] <sexcopter8000m> how?
[06:00] <Kvark> if my uncle ripped all the CDs he bought to mp3's then he'd need a whole sever rack to store it
[06:00] <lsuactiafner> |-> Found 8 MP3s.
[06:00] <lsuactiafner> thats wrong
[06:00] <lsuactiafner> should be 27000
[06:00] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, if it's possible disable the onboard soundcard in  the bios
[06:00] <reka> hehe
[06:00] <kvidell> Kvark: Hehe. EMC^2/NetApp time? ;-D
[06:00] <Kvark> 31G legal mp3's is very possible, or much much more then that even
[06:01] <_SWAT_> Always see the good in people :D
[06:01] <jasoncohen> if the ubuntu guide is a bad source of documentation, what's a better source for ubuntu? i've read debian's apt howto & part of the sarge installation manual but i don't see anything similar for hoary
[06:01] <_SWAT_> lsuactiafner, 27.000 :/
[06:01] <reka> Kvark: i don't see how people can fill 400G though.
[06:01] <gorilla_> _SWAT_, share and share alike :-)
[06:01] <lsuactiafner> lol
[06:01] <jasoncohen> reka, mythtv
[06:02] <nalioth> jasoncohen: wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:02] <jasoncohen> reka, i have a 450 GB LVM for mythtv
[06:02] <reka> jasoncohen: heh, maybe it's cos i'm on diakup
[06:02] <topyli> lsuactiafner: it just skipped all the crap and only listed zeppelin iv :)
[06:02] <nalioth> reka: on broadband, fillin up 400g is EASY
[06:02] <osity> Seveas: any idea what is going on with my drives with the special device not found err
[06:02] <hac__> Can I install UT-goty on ubunt without the cd 2?
[06:02] <reka> jasoncohen: if you can't find stuff on the wiki, i'd head into here first :)
[06:03] <klaym> filling up a large HD is like never vacuuming or cleaning your place
[06:03] <gorilla_> reka, also if you get to lan parties... some people take along a couple of 200G drives that are blank and come back with both filled with "stuff"
[06:03] <reka> nalioth: i was gonna say...that's a lot of porn
[06:04] <reka> gorilla_: heh, i can imagine
[06:04] <klaym> what's the idea in storaging your porn if you never watch them again anyway?
[06:05] <kvidell> What's going to be faster? Dual P3 800mhz with an SMP kernel and 1 gig of ECC ram or a P4 2.10 w/ 1 gig of "normal" ddr and Hyper Threading enabled with an SMP kernel?
[06:05] <kvidell> For some reason the dual proc just seems to act a lot faster
[06:05] <ogami1972> hello
[06:06] <larsrohdin> is it possible to succed playing games with wine? or do I need Cedega?
[06:06] <njan> kvidell, faster for what, doing what, running what, treated how, with what sorts of hard disks.
[06:06] <js_> larsrohdin: depends on what the game requires
[06:06] <kvidell> hehe... good point(s)
[06:06] <Nebular> is there any reason why I should stick with the official kernel-source package rather than download one from kernel.org?
[06:06] <hellfire> has anyone experienced problems with 2d games
[06:06] <sexcopter8000m> ok, i'm gonna have a look in the bios, but i'm not too sure i'll be able to disable the sound, brb
[06:06] <larsrohdin> js_, ok, what can't wine play?
[06:06] <hellfire> when i play Starcraft Red Alert heros4 they run slow
[06:06] <js_> larsrohdin: heavy directx stuff
[06:06] <ogami1972> i've noticed that after being "up" for a few days, my memory load stays at about half- is there a quick way to clear this other than rebooting?
[06:07] <hellfire> while when i play 3d games i have no such problems
[06:07] <njan> ogami1972, cached/buffered or inuse memory?
[06:07] <kvidell> Seagate Baracudas, 7200 I think, IDE obviously, in both.. Mostly doing file serving/torrenting and forwarding X apps to remote x clients (the macs in the house)
[06:07] <Nebular> because right now it seems to be either that or go with breezy
[06:07] <kvidell> I may become part of a "distributed computing" render farm for my housemate, too
[06:07] <larsrohdin> js_, ok, do you know if theres a list or anything?
[06:08] <ogami1972> "user memory" in sys monitor, so i assume in use
[06:08] <kvidell> and I'm wondering which one would better benefit him
[06:08] <njan> ogami1972, have you been up for a few days now?
[06:08] <kvidell> (I'm taking one to vermont with me, don't care which)
[06:08] <arentie> I installed ndiswrapper for my wifi card per the instructions at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto.  Now, the computer does not hibernate nor boot-up as fast
[06:08] <PhantomFreak> I'm still havng problems with my wireless card... Just descovered that it's a WG511v2 not WG511...
[06:08] <hellfire> any idea why 2d games run slow?
[06:09] <js_> larsrohdin: www.transgaming.org/gamesdb
[06:09] <js_> larsrohdin: #cedega
[06:09] <lsuactiafner> is there something like openMosix for 2.6.x kernels? and would a 32bit machine and a 64bit machine be able to cluster?
[06:09] <hellfire> thx
[06:09] <larsrohdin> js_, yeah but games that work on wine
[06:09] <ogami1972> almost 2, and my only "open" tasks are xchat and gnome sys mon, and i am showing 268 of 504 in use
[06:09] <js_> larsrohdin: no idea if such a thing exists, google for successes
[06:09] <topyli> Nebular: well if there's something that the ubuntu kernel doesn't do, then you should patch it of course. or build from vanilla
[06:10] <larsrohdin> js_, ok thanks for your time dude!
[06:10] <arentie> after installing ndiswrapper, my computer doesn't hibernate nor boot-up as fast
[06:10] <Tsar_vonHumbug> hellfire, what's your vid card?
[06:11] <lsuactiafner> ogami1972 : run free -mt but look @ -/+ buffers/cache: line.. subtract that
[06:11] <topyli> ogami1972: check it with 'free' to get reliable results :)
[06:12] <lsuactiafner> buffers/cache is available memory, doesnt mean linux is using it to run programs
[06:13] <PhantomFreak> It doesn't seem to find the cardas anything! Not wlan0 ath0 or anything!
[06:14] <Daan> hi all, stupid question, but in my /usr/src is no symlink to kernel, how do i enter my kernel?
[06:14] <chez> hi can some one help me set up my bluetooth dongle - I don't know where to start
[06:15] <ogami1972> well, it shows 167 used and 336 free
[06:15] <ogami1972> thx all!
[06:15] <gorilla_> Daan, you need to install it..
[06:15] <mrpickles> Hello room
[06:15] <Daan> hmmm
[06:16] <Daan> install the link, install the makemenuconfig thing?
[06:16] <kvidell> Daan: Are you trying to compile from source?
[06:16] <kvidell> or just need headers for something else?
[06:17] <chez> bluetooth dongle ... belkin...
[06:17] <HappyFool> chez: it shouldn't be too hard. i got mine going
[06:17] <kvidell> chez: You said dongle. <3
[06:17] <mrpickles> whats the name of a good dvd player for ubuntu ?
[06:17] <marysol> hola
[06:17] <Daan> nope, i want my kernel image saved to an alternative place on my HD, i am going back to Gentoo
[06:17] <Brenton> lsuactiafner & kvidell: thank you both so much, linux is so friggin cool, I was able to retrieve all the stuff I needed from my bad HD and network it to my other box
[06:17] <arentie> ubuntu doesn't hibernate after installing ndiswrapper...does anyone know why?
[06:17] <chez> HappyFool: can you point me in the right direction
[06:17] <HappyFool> chez: i'd install gnome-bluetooth for starters
[06:17] <kvidell> Brenton: Hehe. Happy it worked for you :)
[06:18] <chez> HappyFool: through synaptic?
[06:18] <HappyFool> chez: yip
[06:18] <lsuactiafner> np
[06:19] <HappyFool> chez: also bluez-utils -- will help debugging connection
[06:19] <mrpickles> man, my dick is so big
[06:19] <reka> mrpickles: vlc has been named a few times, ogle, mplayer, totem...
[06:19] <kvidell> mrpickles: hawt.
[06:19] <kvidell> don't care. but hawt.
[06:19] <Daan> in my root is a file called "!vmlinuz" is that my kernel?
[06:19] <mrpickles> it just kept on getting bigger and bigger after I installed linux
[06:19] <mrpickles> its based off of debian
[06:19] <mrpickles> that makes me hardc0re
[06:19] <Tsar_vonHumbug> mrpickles, what makes Richard yours?
[06:20] <Daan> also there is a file called "!initrd.img"
[06:20] <marysol> fock you
[06:20] <kvidell> goodness.
[06:20] <mauper> fog ?
[06:21] <PhantomFreak> CAn anyone help? I having a right problem getting my wifi to work, it appears that the pcmcia card isn't recognised!
[06:21] <kvidell> high density low clouds?
[06:21] <HappyFool> Daan: those are symlinks to files in /boot. vmlinuz is the kernel image. i think initrd is the boot filesystem, something like that
[06:21] <IcemanV9> hrm .. backspace key doesn't work in epiphany web browser? is it possible to get it working?
[06:21] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Daan - that would be a bootable kernel - whether that's the kernel you actually boot, only Grub knows for sure
[06:21] <Daan> Ohhhhhh, i am so stupid todat, ofcourse i can find out in grub where it points
[06:21] <Daan> thanks
[06:22] <mrpickles> Tsar_vonHumbug, what exactly is grub and what does it do ?
[06:22] <Daan> maybe today is not the day to start gentoo install......
[06:22] <jeroen_> mrpickles, bootloader
[06:22] <mrpickles> so whats a bootloader ?
[06:22] <jeroen_> mrpickles, it lets you choose which operating system to load
[06:23] <jeroen_> when you start your pc
[06:23] <sexcopter8000m> _SWAT_, i could disable the onboard sound in the bios, and it's magically now chosen the pci card, ty :)
[06:23] <reka> Daan: ditching ubuntu altogether?
[06:23] <Tsar_vonHumbug> mrpickles, it also loads your OS into memory & jumpstarts it
[06:23] <mrpickles> ahh, so with grub I could possible choose which harddrive to boot from possible ?
[06:23] <trougnouf> salut a farte ? 8-)
[06:23] <jeroen_> mrpickles, for example
[06:23] <mrpickles> go on
[06:24] <jeroen_> trougnouf, Francais: #ubuntu-fr
[06:24] <trougnouf> merci :d
[06:24] <Daan> reka, no, not alltogether, i love Ubuntu, but my pc is very slow so i want to tweak gentoo, also i love the portage system
[06:24] <Daan> i will run livecd ppc on my GF's iBook
[06:24] <tuks> Hey, this is my first time trying to compile and run a java application in Linux... Why won't it let me execute the .class I created?
[06:24] <Tsar_vonHumbug> mrpickles, absolutely
[06:24] <mrpickles> hehe w00t
[06:25] <nalioth> Daan: have you seen apt-get's source compiling ability?
[06:25] <mrpickles> that would be nice if I didn't have to unplug my harddisks to go between windows and linxu
[06:25] <tuks> it didn't give me any errors when I used javac on it...
[06:26] <tuks> but it says permission denied when I say ./javapp.class
[06:26] <reka> tuks: what's the error when you try and execute?
[06:26] <Daan> nope, i must admit, i have not read anything lately, no time, i am rounding up my MBA and am terribly busy.
[06:26] <Daan> i just have a big love for Gentoo
[06:26] <Daan> I must admit though that Ubuntu is my second favourite
[06:26] <tuks> bash: ./javapp.java: Permission denied
[06:26] <kvidell> tuks: chmod +x javapp.java
[06:26] <kvidell> then try to run it again
[06:27] <kvidell> I believe that's what you need
[06:27] <tuks> What's that do?
[06:27] <kvidell> makes it executable
[06:27] <mauper> ??? java javapp ??? what is with chmod ??? questions ...
[06:27] <tuks> Aaaaah...
[06:27] <tuks> Thanks...
[06:27] <kvidell> mmhmm
[06:27] <denver> why do nearly all the packages I want to install are on packages.ubuntu.com but I cant find them with 'apt-cache search' ?
[06:27] <jasoncohen> huh, the gnome-app-install application is coming up blank
[06:27] <kvidell> mauper: need a hug?
[06:28] <jasoncohen> synaptic works fine though
[06:28] <mauper> hmmm, well, why not ? :)
[06:29] <reka> get a room :)
[06:29] <jasoncohen> this is the output i get when i run gnome-apt-install - http://pastebin.ca/16719
[06:29] <nalioth> denver: do you have all your official repositorys enabled?
[06:29] <denver> no ideas
[06:29] <denver> it's a fresh install
[06:29] <mauper> I do not think that we are compatible ;)
[06:29] <denver> and I know nothing about ubuntu :)
[06:29] <nalioths_dog> denver: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[06:30] <nalioths_dog> denver: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:30] <_SWAT_> Just for fun, my PC at my big "HD-switch party" ---->  http://home.hccnet.nl/s.schauenburg/Pictures/PC1.png
[06:30] <denver> where do I put this ?
[06:30] <denver> ok thanks nalioths_dog
[06:30] <reka> denver: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:31] <nalioth> reka: watch the sharp end
[06:31] <reka> denver: apps -> sys tools -> terminal
[06:31] <Brenton> kvidell: one more question, how do I "scandisk" my bad drive?
[06:31] <nalioth> denver: stay away from ubuntuguide (unless ya get a second opinion in here)
[06:31] <kvidell> Brenton: fsck and badblocks
[06:31] <kvidell> fsck checks the file system, badblocks checks for.. well.. bad blocks.
[06:31] <reka> nalioth: but he's only a chihuahua. :)
[06:32] <nalioth> reka: you wish
[06:32] <ubuntu> how would i install gnoppix?
[06:32] <chez> HappyFool: once the drivers are installed what do I need to do
[06:32] <chez> tuks: u have to "java Javapp"
[06:32] <chez> class files should be capitals too
[06:32] <nalioth> ubuntu: with a gnoppix boot cd
[06:32] <chez> tuks: so Javac MyClass.java
[06:32] <chez> tuks: then java MyClass
[06:32] <chez> Happy Fool: whats next after installing the gnome drivers
[06:32] <kvidell> chez: he left ages ago ;)
[06:32] <randabis> ubuntu to a hard drive?
[06:32] <HappyFool> no, i'm here
[06:32] <HappyFool> sorry
[06:33] <ubuntu> yes
[06:33] <kvidell> HappyFool: I meant Tuks :) Sorry.
[06:33] <kvidell> Wasn't specific enough
[06:33] <HappyFool> ah, np
[06:33] <chez> kvidell: oh crap, got disconnected
[06:33] <kevin> hello
[06:33] <kvidell> Hi, Me.
[06:33] <randabis> ubuntu: it would be similiar to a knoppix hard drive install I suppose. There should be instructions on either site
[06:33] <kvidell> er.. Kevin
[06:33] <chez> anyone else help me out with bluetooth dongle - I just insalled the drivers
[06:33] <Brenton> kvidell: I tried "sudo fsck /dev/hda" but it's saying something about it not being ext2
[06:33] <kevin> im having trouble with my apt-get
[06:33] <kevin> haha
[06:34] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Brenton, that's probably /dev/hda1
[06:34] <HappyFool> chez: ok, is the dongle plugged in?
[06:34] <ubuntu> ok. i have knoppix installed now but i perfer gnomn desktop
[06:34] <kvidell> hm
[06:34] <chez> HappyFool: yes m8
[06:34] <kvidell> Brenton: try fsck -t ntfs /dev/hda1
[06:34] <kevin> everytime i apt-get, the packages are not there
[06:34] <kvidell> er
[06:34] <kvidell> -T
[06:34] <kvidell> not t
[06:34] <ubuntu> '
[06:34] <reka> ubuntu: /join #knoppix
[06:34] <nalioth> ubuntu: in that case, use apt-get to install gnome
[06:34] <gorilla_> lol: from a moin config file -> # I am danish (= from Denmark, not some cake!)
[06:35] <kevin> it says: couldn't find package.
[06:35] <HappyFool> chez: start a terminal: Applications -> System tools -> Terminal
[06:35] <ubuntu> i thought of that but was going to use kpackage instade
[06:35] <chez> HappyFool: yup
[06:35] <kevin> do i have to add sources?
[06:35] <kvidell> kevin: example?
[06:35] <reka> kevin: what package?
[06:35] <randabis> kevin: I'd check /etc/apt/sources.list for the correct repos
[06:35] <nalioth> ubuntu: use synaptic over kpackage
[06:35] <HappyFool> chez: ok, does 'hcitool' list any devices ?
[06:35] <kevin> nicotine, for one.
[06:36] <nalioths_dog> kevin: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[06:36] <randabis> nicotine is in universe i think
[06:36] <nalioths_dog> kevin: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:36] <ubuntu> where do i get  synaptic?
[06:36] <chez> HappyFool: not got that cmd
[06:36] <IcemanV9> ubuntu: gnome desktop?? you could try gnoppix
[06:36] <nalioth> ubuntu: apt-get it
[06:36] <ubuntu> its on the gnoppix cd but not knoppix
[06:37] <nalioth> IcemanV9: that is what he started the chat with....lol
[06:37] <HappyFool> chez: did you also install bluez-utils?
[06:37] <kevin> thanks, i don't know to much about the sources and all
[06:37] <ubuntu> iceman: i have gnoppix but want to install it like i have knoppix
[06:37] <IcemanV9> nalioth: thought he started with knoppix :)
[06:37] <kevin> i just know that almost every apt get i tried I couldnt get
[06:37] <nalioth> kevin: those 2 links nalioths_dog sent you will get you sorted
[06:37] <kevin> like mplayer
[06:37] <chez> HappyFool: will do
[06:37] <nalioth> IcemanV9: he was asking how to install gnoppix, then got round to asking about adding gnome to knoppix
[06:38] <IcemanV9> ok, ok .. leaving the soapbox :P
[06:38] <ubuntu> ive tried sudo gnoppix-installer and knoppix-installer...nether work.
[06:38] <nalioth> ubuntu: you installed knoppix onto your hard drive, right?
[06:39] <ubuntu> do i have to get the ubuntu install cd??? i hope not. i like have live and install on one cd :)
[06:39] <ubuntu> yes
[06:39] <ubuntu> knoppix 3.9
[06:39] <reka> IcemanV9: i'm confused too. :)
[06:39] <Brenton> kvidell: how does badblocks work? when you run it and the numbers pop up, are those blocks that are bad?
[06:39] <nalioth> ubuntu: then you should be able to open a terminal and type "su root" and then "apt-get install synaptic"
[06:40] <chez> HappyFool: hcitool dev displays one device: hci0    00:0A:3A:55:A3:F0
[06:40] <kevin> im confused about this paste.ubuntulinux.nl ... what exactly is this and what does it do?
[06:40] <ubuntu> let me try that now
[06:40] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Brenton, badblocks is redundant for IDE disks
[06:40] <jasoncohen> i'm getting an error- "menu instance has no attribute 'setLocale' when i run gnome-apt-install. i think it was working a few days ago, so i'm wondering what changed. here's the whole output -http://pastebin.ca/16721
[06:40] <ubuntu> do i have to be root?
[06:40] <reka> ubuntu: er, you want to install gnome in your knoppix system.  why are you asking this in #ubuntu ?
[06:40] <HappyFool> chez: ok, that should be your bluetooth donle
[06:40] <nalioth> ubuntu: just like my line says
[06:40] <reka> kevin: apps -> sys tools -> terminal
[06:40] <HappyFool> chez: are there any other bluetooth devices in the vicinity ?
[06:40] <Brenton> Tsar_vonHumbug: I ccan't find anything other then MAN descriptions on the net, I want to understand what it's telling me
[06:40] <nalioth> kevin: a pastebin is where you can paste text output for others to see
[06:40] <Tsar_vonHumbug> and don't start trying to fiddle with the badblock list - you'll just trash your drive
[06:41] <HappyFool> chez: if so, try 'hcitool scan' to try to find them
[06:41] <reka> kevin: then type: sudo gedit /etc/pat/sources.list
[06:41] <reka> kevin: then replace everything in that file with what you see at that pastebin link
[06:41] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Brenton, the remapping of badblocks in modern hard disks is all done in the controller - it used to be a manual process, but that was years ago
[06:41] <ubuntu> no...i want to install gnoppix...if possable... which everythin is if you know what your doing.
[06:41] <chez> HappyFool: scanning for phhone now
[06:41] <kevin> thank you reka
[06:42] <Brenton> Tsar_vonHumbug: so does running badblocks do anything?
[06:42] <HappyFool> chez: takes about 30 s, i think
[06:42] <chez> HappyFool: yeah it picked it up.....
[06:42] <mad_guy> anyone watching live 8? btw, did linkin park perform already?
[06:42] <reka> kevin: it should be /etc/apt not /etc/pat :)
[06:42] <kevin> reka, now how do i stay up to date and what not? and i see alot of other code here, is that for other processes too?
[06:43] <_SWAT_> mad_guy, watching live8 here
[06:43] <reka> kevin: code where?
[06:43] <ubuntu> ok apt-get is working...only as root
[06:43] <HappyFool> chez: ok. we need to setup the bluetooth pin
[06:43] <chez> HappyFool: ok
[06:43] <mad_guy> _SWAT_: so.. have they performed already?
[06:43] <kevin> reka in the recent post section
[06:43] <misfit_toy> anybody know what the QT package would be called for an apt-get?
[06:43] <_SWAT_> mad_guy, dunno
[06:44] <ubuntu> qt?
[06:44] <HappyFool> chez: i think you can get it to ask for one, but I just put '1234' into /etc/bluetooth/pin; the pin is then 1234
[06:44] <misfit_toy> ubuntu, yeah, QT, developers toolkit for GUI's.
[06:44] <mad_guy> but you jyst said you were watching
[06:44] <mad_guy> just*
[06:44] <ubuntu> like kdevlope
[06:44] <HappyFool> misfit_toy: try 'apt-cache search libqt'
[06:44] <misfit_toy> HappyFool, thx
[06:45] <chez> HappyFool: yeah that already existed
[06:45] <HappyFool> chez: ok
[06:45] <leo_> how do i list what (hw:*,*)s my soundcards are assigned to?
[06:45] <reka> kevin: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ is just a website where people can dump text to avoid pasting numerous lines in here.
[06:45] <kvidell> Brenton: I'm not really sure.. the man page is kind of uninformative too
[06:45] <reka> kevin: you shouldn only concern yourself with http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38 which is a correct sample sources.list file
[06:45] <reka> *should
[06:45] <HappyFool> chez: to get the pc to receive files from the phone, start Bluetooth File Sharing; Applications -> System Tools -> Bluetooth file sharing
[06:46] <ubuntu> what is the diffrance between kpackage and synaptic?
[06:46] <ubuntu> dont the act the same
[06:46] <ubuntu> the = they
[06:46] <misfit_toy> HappyFool, hmmm
[06:46] <misfit_toy> HappyFool, The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:46] <misfit_toy>   libqt3-dev: Conflicts: libqt3-mt-dev but 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3 is to be installed
[06:46] <misfit_toy> E: Broken packages
[06:46] <HappyFool> chez: you should now be able to send files from the phone to the pc, but you have to use the phone to send them
[06:46] <kevin> reka i understand now, thanks alot.
[06:47] <kevin> reka, I take it i wont need to update these lists that often?
[06:47] <leo_> how do i list what (hw:*,*)s my soundcards are assigned to?
[06:47] <HappyFool> misfit_toy: try 'libqt3-mt-dev' ?
[06:47] <reka> kevin: after you save sources.list, run sudo apt-get update to refresh your packages list (or click on "reload" if your using synaptic)
[06:47] <misfit_toy> HappyFool, you da man, thanks.
[06:47] <misfit_toy> that did it
[06:47] <misfit_toy> bbl
[06:47] <chez> HappyFool: file sharing is running my phone can't see my machine
[06:48] <_SWAT_> live8... somehow hypocrite. A group of artists singing for poor countries? Okay, it's a big publicity stunt.... AND they're selling memorabilia (for mu-ney).... :-/
[06:48] <kevin> reka, one step ahead of you, and its taking alot longer now
[06:48] <jasmuz> how do i make realplayer use ESD?
[06:48] <reka> kevin: that's a good sign :)
[06:48] <reka> kevin: no, most everything you'll need will be in universe/main/multiverse
[06:48] <reka> kevin: so, this should be a once only thing
[06:49] <HappyFool> chez: hrm. what phone?
[06:49] <jasoncohen> if anyone's interested i found a fix to the gnome-app-install problem. it was broken by a new version of pyxdg. the fix is on this site -   https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11871
[06:49] <slask3n> how can i make my own repository?
[06:49] <davidbuchfuhrer> i've got a GeForce4 MX 420 video card that i'd like to run using the s-video out, but all i get is a blank screen unless i use the vga out.  does anyone know a fix for this?
[06:50] <jasmuz> how do i make realplayer use ESD?
[06:50] <Will__> slask3n: Why would you want to? (just wondering)
[06:50] <chez> HappyFool: its a motorola v500
[06:50] <kevin> reka, awesome, you just made my life a hellva lot easier. Im really enjoying ubuntu. the ndiswrapper went like cake, which i was have tons of problems with months ago on fedora and mandrake
[06:51] <chez> HappyFool: i will check it with my old t68
[06:51] <kevin> my internet works, and this package system is great.
[06:51] <HappyFool> slask3n: i think you can use the dpkg-scanpackages utility. maybe read the apt-howto -- can't remember if it has more info
[06:51] <reka> kevin: good to hear :)
[06:51] <slask3n> Will_: just a small repository with skype, point2play/cedega, and etc. apps thats not in the official repository...
[06:51] <HappyFool> chez: my sony-ericsson z600 works. This site might be useful: http://www.holtmann.org/linux/bluetooth/
[06:51] <slask3n> HappyFool: Ok =) thanks
[06:52] <ubuntu> is there much diffrance between Gnoppix and Ubuntu??
[06:52] <nalioth_wrkn> slask3n: a repo for every1 or just on your local system?
[06:52] <nalioth_wrkn> ubuntu: ubuntu is easier
[06:53] <ubuntu> does it have many system & network tools
[06:53] <slask3n> nalioth_wrkn: first of all its for me and my friends only, but probobly for everyone when it gets biggger...
[06:53] <chez> HappyFool: the t68 can see it - thats a bit weird that the laptop can see the phone but not vice vera
[06:53] <nalioth_wrkn> slask3n: perhaps read up on apt-build
[06:53] <nalioth_wrkn> ubuntu: packages.ubuntu.com
[06:53] <ubuntu> k
[06:56] <chez> HappyFool: but can only send things to it if I first pair it
[06:56] <slask3n> nalioth: where can i read about apt-build? i cant find any manpages or anything about it... but i already have most of the packages ready to upload, its just maing the synaptic/apt-get to find the packages...
[06:56] <HappyFool> chez: yeah, i think so
[06:56] <HappyFool> chez: if by 'pair' you mean enter pin etc
[06:57] <nalioth> slask3n: apt-build will need to be installed
[06:57] <HappyFool> chez: we're about at the limit of my knowledge.
[06:57] <chez> HappyFool: well thanks alot for you help m8 I appreciate it
[06:57] <nalioth> slask3n: beyond apt-build, you'll have to ask uncle google re "debian repos"
[06:57] <slask3n> nalioth: yes i noticed :p sorry for that.. but how about drifting a repository?
[06:57] <chez> HappyFool: is laptop -> phone anyeasier
[06:57] <leo_> what command shows (hw:*,*)s so i can find which soundcard to specify?
[06:57] <slask3n> ok
[06:58] <HappyFool> chez: err, actually, i couldn't get that to work
[06:58] <chez> HappyFool: thanks anyway
[06:59] <davidbuchfuhrer> is there anything special that needs to be done to get s-video output from a pci graphics card to work with x windows?
[07:00] <chez> has anyone actually managed to get gnome looking half decent - know that is not important but it an desktop environment
[07:00] <HappyFool> chez: try maybe System -> Preferences -> Theme. default looks ok to me though ;)
[07:01] <reka> davidbuchfuhrer: iirc, you need to edit xorg.conf and change NoTV or something like that.  i'm not certain though.
[07:02] <chez> HappyFool: I have been playing aroun d with it for ages, found some half decent themes and icons. I just like a bit of a sexy desktop
[07:02] <chez> gnome is just abit chunky
[07:03] <leo_> what command shows (hw:*,*)s so i can find which soundcard to specify?
[07:03] <gorilla_> chez, if you are after some themes, try themes.freemeat.net
[07:03] <HappyFool> leo_: not sure. neither lspci not lshw do what you want ?
[07:04] <reka> chez: or gnome-look.org apparently
[07:04] <nalioth> reka: c'mon now, bluecurve is da bestest! lol
[07:05] <leo_> HappyFool: what's the difference?
[07:06] <ufo> can anyone help me with a problem with my DVD? I have the whole thing posted on ubuntuforums - http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=45943
[07:06] <reka> nalioth: don't look at me.  the only thing i change is theme-details-> controls to clearlooks-deepsky and that's it. :)
[07:06] <nalioth> reka: have you seen the bluecurve theme?
[07:06] <HappyFool> leo_: afaik lshw lists all hardware it can find. Neither output (hw:*,*) type strings, that I can see, though.
[07:06] <reka> well, besides making the fonts a bit smaller and reducing panel size.
[07:06] <HappyFool> leo_: lspci lists only pci devices
[07:06] <zxc> can debian sarge be cleanly updated to ubuntu or should I perform a clean install ?
[07:07] <reka> nalioth: is it in default install?
[07:07] <nalioth> reka: nope, ya got go rip it from a nasssty ol' RPM
[07:07] <mjr> zxc, unsupported, recommend clean install
[07:07] <leo_> HappyFool: ah cool - pci is great! thanks
[07:07] <IcemanV9> clearlooks + bright + gperfection2 = awesome theme :P
[07:08] <zxc> mjr, thanks
[07:08] <nalioth> reka: do your hunting on the wiki
[07:08] <we2by> IcemanV9, screenshot?
[07:08] <IcemanV9> we2by: i have no place to put screenshot *duck & run* :/
[07:09] <chez> IcemanV9: I think thats vbasically what I have now... still don't like it though. I want it to look like tiger
[07:09] <IcemanV9> yeah. i admit. it is shame that i don't have website .. yet.
[07:10] <reka> IceDC571: tinypic.com
[07:10] <reka> no excuses now.
[07:10] <IcemanV9> chez: tiger?? come on, just install OSX :P~
[07:10] <reka> :)
[07:10] <reka> nalioth: Title Search: "clearlooks" 0 results of about 2861 pages. (0.08 seconds)
[07:10] <reka> dmanit
[07:11] <chez> IcemanV9: I would if I had a mc
[07:11] <Quest-Master> Bluecurve rocks
[07:12] <nalioth> reka: use "text" search
[07:13] <reka> hmm, still 0 results
[07:13] <reka> sure it's on the wiki?
[07:14] <HappyFool> chez: obexftp lets you browse the phone, but it's fairly unfriendly (XML output - yay!)
[07:14] <IcemanV9> http://tinypic.com/6ogcpw.png -- there you go!
[07:15] <abbot45> are there any podcasting tools for linux?  that use RSS to automaticaly download the files?  i think there are some for win & mac.
[07:15] <IcemanV9> but it is SO tiny! lol
[07:15] <uc50ic4more> abbot45 - are you familiar w/ iPodder?
[07:15] <nalioth> reka: it used to be
[07:15] <nalioth> reka: they've gone into "secure" mode on us
[07:16] <abbot45> uc50ic4more, ive heard of it.  is there a linux version?
[07:16] <reka> IcemanV9: you either [1]  took a crappy screenshot [2]  linked to the thumbnail :)
[07:17] <uc50ic4more> abbot45 - yes - i believe, if i am not mistaken, they have a .deb package for download on their site
[07:17] <abbot45> ok.  thanks.
[07:17] <reka> i can't see a big difference anyway
[07:17] <uc50ic4more> abbot45 - http://ipodder.sourceforge.net
[07:17] <nalioth> abbot45: try at sourceforge.net (they have everything)
[07:18] <uc50ic4more> abbot45 - sorry - i do *not* see a .deb there - only a link to a .tar.gz
[07:18] <abbot45> yeah, i found it.  thanks.
[07:19] <IcemanV9> *shrug* well, my resolution is @ 1400x1050 .. it looks SUPER here .. and it doesn't @ tinypic.com .. sorry, reka
[07:20] <cavediver> Hi. Is there a imap-panel-notify-thing availible as in Gnome 2.8 ?
[07:20] <nalioth> reka: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2696.html
[07:20] <nalioth> reka: knew it was somewhere on the ubuntuverse
[07:24] <reka> found one: http://img225.exs.cx/img225/4562/shot8rq.jpg
[07:25] <reka> meh.  i still like clearlooks-deepsky
[07:25] <reka> and who wants to look like fedora/redhat anyway?
[07:26] <Kvark> I can't get my Acecat Flair USB graphics tablet from AceCad to work
[07:27] <Kvark> HAL recognizes that it is a graphics tablet from acecad and when i hold the pen over it, the led goes green so it detects the pen
[07:27] <Kvark> but when I try move the mouse pointer or click with it, the led goes orange, as it should when a 3D game is running or there for some other reason makes no sence to move a mouse pointer around
[07:27] <IcemanV9> gotta jet - have fun with themes on Ubuntu - i think mine is SUPERB. :P
[07:27] <Kvark> so it always goes orange instead of doing anything :(
[07:28] <bluefoxicy> help me find what service has port 732 open.
[07:29] <bluefoxicy> is there a netstat command?
[07:29] <virtuald> netstat -p
[07:29] <virtuald> or lsof -i
[07:30] <nalioth> reka: and where do ya get clearlooks-depsky?
[07:30] <avalost> Is ubuntu worth the switch from other distros?
[07:30] <highvoltage> AceMan: yes
[07:31] <highvoltage> oops
[07:31] <Kvark> nalioth: install gnome-themes-extra with apt-get/synaptic
[07:31] <highvoltage> avalost: yes
[07:31] <Will__> If you are happy with what you've got, keep using it
[07:31] <reka> nalioth: it's installed by default.  that's the only thing i change from the human theme to create a custom one.
[07:31] <reka> nalioth: it's in theme details -> window border
[07:32] <reka> avalost: what distro are you coming from?
[07:32] <avalost> mandrake
[07:32] <amujkano> ubuntu
[07:32] <Kvark> nalioth: install gnome-themes too in case you don't have it
[07:32] <reka> nalioth: just open the theme prefs dialog
[07:32] <Will__> I've stopped caring about themes. I just go with whatever is smallest
[07:32] <nalioth> Kvark: got all that with -extra
[07:32] <nalioth> reka: Kvark: just not an eye-candy person
[07:33] <PhantomFreak> Help, I've tried everything... How do I get my wireless PCMCIA card to work?
[07:33] <Kvark> ah
[07:33] <avalost> I have to admit i'm getting sort of sick of mandriva, especially with them pushing the "club" all the while
[07:33] <amujkano>  i am new to linux can someone help me to install my webcam
[07:33] <amujkano> it is a creative live
[07:34] <nalioth> reka: Kvark i like bluecurve because there are icons for all my menu apps
[07:34] <nalioth> reka: Kvark: there are some missing with clearlook
[07:34] <PhantomFreak> It's a Netgear WG511v2. Device manager finds it but other than theat it just sits there like a lemon! I've tried everything I could find on the wiki and on the forums!
[07:34] <avalost> can ubuntu use debian packages?
[07:34] <nalioth> avalost: so dump mandriva and move to ubuntu
[07:34] <nalioth> avalost: its not recommend to use debian packages
[07:35] <reka> nalioth: ah, that's the thing i don't really carea bout...icons.  i jsut use the default gnome ones.
[07:35] <avalost> nalioth: concerned about ease of use & easy transition
[07:35] <nalioth> avalost: transition?
[07:35] <Kvark> avalente: Ubuntu is very user friendly
[07:35] <avalost> yeah from one distro to another
[07:36] <nalioth> reka: the default set doesnt have all the icons for my menu, either (bluecurve does)
[07:36] <avalost> and using apt rather than urpmi
[07:36] <avalost> etc
[07:36] <avalost> and what about packages, where do I get ubuntu packages?
[07:36] <reka> avalost: it's a cinch
[07:36] <nalioth> avalost: ubuntu is much easier than mandrake
[07:36] <Kvark> apt-get (or it's GUI version synaptic) are very easy to use, and don't cause any problems with dependancies or anything
[07:36] <nalioth> avalost: you use apt-get (or one of its frontends) to install what you want
[07:36] <reka> avalost: apt-get install <program> and you're done.
[07:37] <avalost> right on, sounds good
[07:37] <avalost> what about fluxbox?
[07:37] <avalost> ubuntu has flux packages?
[07:37] <reka> avalost: there's a repository of packages.
[07:37] <nalioth> avalost: whatever you like, ubuntu IS linux
[07:37] <highvoltage> avalost: apt-get install fluxbox :)
[07:37] <`crimsun> fluxbox is in universe.
[07:37] <reka> avalost: yep, lot of people use it
[07:37] <avalost> sweet, no what about server/security issues etc?
[07:37] <nalioth> avalost: ubuntu IS linux
[07:38] <`crimsun> each stable release is supported for supported for 18+ months
[07:38] <Kvark> avalost: just add the extra and backport repos and then you got around 16k packages to search among with synaptic
[07:38] <avalost> cool, sounds good
[07:38] <`crimsun> caveat: there's no support for the backport repo
[07:38] <nalioth> what is so enticing in the extra and BP that isnt in uni or multi?
[07:38] <Kvark> avalente: ubuntu doesn't listen on any ports unless you run a server aplication (of course)
[07:38] <avalost> and what about updates etc, does ubuntu stay up to date with advisories and the like?
[07:39] <bluefoxicy> I can't attach files to bugs!!!!
[07:39] <nalioth> avalost: very up to date
[07:39] <bluefoxicy> what the hell
[07:39] <bluefoxicy> it asks me to log in, every time
[07:39] <bluefoxicy> and then says I didn't pick a file
[07:39] <reka> nalioth: from what i've seen, people want later versions of s/ware
[07:39] <dr_willis> avalost,  yes. thers a red icon that can warn you of updates. :)  if you run gnome
[07:39] <avalost> I see
[07:39] <avalost> sweet
[07:39] <Kvark> avalente: you get an icon in the taskbar when there is a new version of a package, click on it and you get a list of what needs updating, click ok and the updates are done
[07:39] <bluefoxicy> icon and all
[07:39] <nalioth> reka: i can understand BP (although i prefer stability over bling) but what of extra?
[07:39] <bluefoxicy> >:|
[07:39] <avalost> i'm going to grab it & check it out
[07:40] <avalost> i'm sure i'll be back for suppor t;P
[07:40] <reka> nalioth: dunno.  never used it myself
[07:40] <reka> avalente: see you soon. :)
[07:40] <reka> avalost: rather. :)
[07:40] <avalost> rgr :)
[07:40] <NeoGeo64> are there any ever instances in which a linux system needs a reboot
[07:40] <reka> NeoGeo64: course
[07:41] <NeoGeo64> when
[07:41] <dr_willis> kernel updates.
[07:41] <NeoGeo64> what else
[07:41] <dr_willis> about it. :P
[07:41] <glDaher> how to share files with other windows machines
[07:41] <chaps0063> has anyone had experience installing drivers for an ATI Radeon 9600?
[07:41] <NeoGeo64> kernel panicks?
[07:41] <Kvark> NeoGeo64: if gnome panels go mad or something else messes up your desktop then you need to restart x
[07:42] <NeoGeo64> but thats not rebooting
[07:42] <dr_willis> glDaher,   check out the ubuntu wikis for setting up 'samba'
[07:42] <Kvark> true, it's only half
[07:42] <dr_willis> NeoGeo64,  a kernel panic is a crash. :P  and if you are getting kernel panics - you got other worries.
[07:42] <NeoGeo64> i get random kernel panicks
[07:42] <dr_willis> Kvark,  if you know what you are doing - you can restart them without restarting X.
[07:42] <NeoGeo64> because my ram is bad because i bought a compaq because im retarded
[07:43] <Kvark> dr_willis: maybe, but one keycombo and reloggin is easy and fast enough
[07:43] <nalioth> NeoGeo64: and nonretarded users buy what brands (let the flames begin)
[07:43] <NeoGeo64> homebuilt
[07:43] <Fanskapet> *yawns*
[07:43] <Will__> crucial ram forever!
[07:43] <nalioth> NeoGeo64: very true and the best brand of all
[07:43] <NeoGeo64> yea
[07:44] <abbot45> im having problems running iPodder after i installed it.  can someone tell me what this means?  http://pastebin.com/306515
[07:44] <glDaher> dr_willis: thx, but where does smb.conf exist?
[07:44] <reka> chaps0063: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:44] <reka> chaps0063: those are the xorg drivers, if you want the official ati ones...that's another story.
[07:44] <NeoGeo64> im curious how fast ubuntu would run on a dual amd64
[07:44] <NeoGeo64> with 4gb ram
[07:44] <edc> very nice
[07:44] <reka> pretty fast
[07:44] <reka> :)
[07:44] <topyli> NeoGeo64: should be enough for desktop work :)
[07:45] <edc> if you have a kernel that supports 4G ram..
[07:45] <edc> not sure if default kernel does support it
[07:45] <dr_willis> glDaher,  i would guess in /etc/samba or similer.. You also need to run 'smbpasswd -a USER' for all your samba useing users.. Samba is very WELL documented on  the WWW.
[07:45] <NeoGeo64> VERSION xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.10-5-686 [i686/1.40GHz] 
[07:45] <NeoGeo64> im using pc800 rdram
[07:45] <NeoGeo64> and the orginal pentium 4
[07:46] <NeoGeo64> i hate my computer i want a new one
[07:46] <glDaher> dr_willis: yep right, thx... just wanted a direction...
[07:46] <dr_willis> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba/chapter/book/index.html
[07:46] <dr_willis> THe book  to read for samba needs. :P but the Ubuntu wikis may have some specific ubuntu info.
[07:46] <chaps0063> reka, are the ati ones a difficult story?>
[07:46] <nalioth> NeoGeo64: you can ask me in a few weeks, i'm planning on building a dual amd64 soon
[07:46] <dr_willis> I tend to cheat and use webmin to admin my samba stuff.
[07:46] <NeoGeo64> can a poorly designed filesystem cause more wear and tear on a hdd?
[07:47] <LuZbel> hi
[07:47] <LuZbel> someone can help me with ubuntu please?
[07:47] <edc> yeh i suppose it could
[07:47] <NeoGeo64> nalioth, you must sell drugs to be able to afford that
[07:47] <nalioth> LuZbel: ask away
[07:47] <edc> but a good one might also?
[07:47] <edc> lol
[07:47] <LuZbel> sorry, where i had to question ?
[07:47] <nalioth> NeoGeo64: nah, a series of unfortunate events (one of which is inheritance)
[07:47] <NeoGeo64> oh
[07:48] <NeoGeo64> i wish i could win the lottery or something
[07:48] <edc> we should add to the topic, JUST ASK!!
[07:48] <edc> lsuactiafner, here.. am in gui watching a movie
[07:48] <dr_willis> edc,  heh - normally i see that IN the topic. :P
[07:48] <topyli> LuZbel: just ask, maybe someone will be in the know
[07:48] <goldfish> edc: it's there.
[07:48] <NeoGeo64> then i could build a new pc
[07:48] <LuZbel> ok
[07:48] <LuZbel> i had installed ubuntu in my pc (amd64)
[07:49] <Strife> NeoGeo64: you could try getting a job ;)
[07:49] <LuZbel> when it loads
[07:49] <edc> it is? rofl
[07:49] <LuZbel> stops before starts the log in
[07:49] <goldfish> edc: we should at to the topic, please read the topic :)
[07:49] <LuZbel> it says
[07:49] <LuZbel> "starting hotplug subsystem"
[07:49] <NeoGeo64> anyways
[07:49] <LuZbel> and dont answer anymore
[07:49] <NeoGeo64> i am about to upgrade to breezy
[07:49] <Kvark> LuZbel: from what I've heard, it's best to use the 32bit version even for amd64
[07:49] <LuZbel> sorry my english
[07:50] <LuZbel> aja
[07:50] <LuZbel> so i download the 32 bit version?
[07:50] <LuZbel> but, some days before it works fine
[07:50] <reka> chaps0063: not difficult, just more steps. :)
[07:50] <goldfish> doesn't ctrl + c , allow you to bypass stuff that hangs like that?
[07:50] <nalioth> LuZbel: the amd64 arch requires a little more work to use
[07:50] <LuZbel> just today, i reformatted it and it happen
[07:50] <Kvark> a lot of people have been going on about things that doesn't work in the 64 bit version yet
[07:50] <nalioth> NeoGeo64: hope you have an extra machine for it
[07:51] <edc> err
[07:51] <NeoGeo64> i dont
[07:51] <edc> everything works in amd64
[07:51] <Strife> NeoGeo64: don't upgrade to breezy yet... I tried about a week ago and it just screwed over my computer
[07:51] <buTTon> just logged in at the right moment :s
[07:51] <Strife> just use hoary backports instead
[07:51] <NeoGeo64> what happened
[07:51] <edc> only thing you need is a static mplayer 32bit binary for wmv files
[07:52] <Strife> NeoGeo64: there was some package conflict which caused my computer to stop working
[07:52] <Strife> and it couldn't be resolved
[07:52] <edc> and 32bit emulation in ubuntu is the best accross all distros
[07:52] <reka> NeoGeo64, Strife : you both know that it's still in development right?
[07:52] <dr_willis> and flash, and ive had issues with wine, and cedega.. and......
[07:52] <buTTon> just considering an AMD64
[07:52] <LuZbel> my only solution is to download new version?
[07:52] <Strife> reka: yes, obviously
[07:52] <dr_willis> but other then these few DOZEN issues.. 'everything' works.. :P
[07:52] <Strife> reka: that's why I told NeoGeo64 not to install it :)
[07:52] <dr_willis> Im running 32 bit on my amd64 for the time being.
[07:52] <zenlunatic> anyone use an ibook with hoary know if the built in mic works?
[07:52] <NeoGeo64> how do you develop a distro, i thought linux was modular and everything was already made
[07:52] <Octane> is there any way to stop my firewall from insertin all those random lines into my system logs?
[07:52] <nalioth> NeoGeo64: but comment them out when you are not actively installing a program
[07:52] <dr_willis> NeoGeo64,  theres a few BUild your own disrto howto sites out. :P
[07:52] <reka> Strife: just checking :)
[07:52] <edc> rofl @ random lines
[07:53] <Strife> reka: on my desktop I run debian testing and I never have crazy problems like that, so I figured that it wouldn't be an issue with ubuntu, either
[07:53] <Octane> edc: i know they're not RANDOM lines :)
[07:53] <Octane> but u know waht i mean
[07:53] <nalioth> zenlunatic: how would i go about testing? what program uses the mic?
[07:53] <NeoGeo64> i assume if someone is real paranoid theyll build their own distro
[07:53] <Will__> just grep yer system log into a different file!
[07:53] <NeoGeo64> or better yet
[07:53] <NeoGeo64> code their own os
[07:54] <nalioth> Octane: turn off your firewall (you really don't need it)
[07:54] <Kvark> if someone is really paranoid then they'll use a typewriter
[07:54] <NeoGeo64> whats everyones uptime
[07:54] <bjr223> reka, so I followed those directions, how do I know if it is working correctly?
[07:54] <NeoGeo64> 13:54:40 up  1:14,  2 users,  load average: 0.16, 0.14, 0.05
[07:55] <reka> bjr223: which directions?
[07:55] <bjr223> on the BinaryHowTo
[07:55] <bjr223> for the ATI drivers
[07:55] <bjr223> or for an ATI card.
[07:55] <zenlunatic> nalioth: um sound recorder in gnome
[07:55] <reka> bjr223: glxinfo | grep rendering
[07:55] <Octane> nalioth: really?
[07:56] <bjr223> direct rendering: no
[07:56] <LuZbel> question: its any visual manager for packages under ubuntu?
[07:56] <Strife> bjr223: you want to know if your ATI driver is working? just run fglrxinfo
[07:56] <nalioth> Octane: unless you are running server stuff exposed directly to the net, you really don't need it
[07:56] <Kvark> Octane: do you have any server on your computer?
[07:56] <NeoGeo64> what if apple went open source and released all of their products under the gpl
[07:56] <reka> LuZbel: syste->admin ->synaptic
[07:56] <bjr223> Strife, shows stuff about OpenGL
[07:56] <Strife> bjr223: if it *doesn't* say 'Mesa GLX Indirect' anywhere, it's working
[07:56] <Octane> Kvark: httpd, mysqld, possibly imap in the future
[07:56] <bjr223> if it doesnt?
[07:56] <bjr223> ok, this says Mesa
[07:56] <X_L_N_C> the version of firefox in ubuntu ... does it have the updated security patches?
[07:56] <Strife> ok, it's not working then
[07:57] <nalioth> zenlunatic: my sound recorder locked up
[07:57] <reka> bjr223: "direct rendering: no" means it's not working.
[07:57] <goldfish> X_L_N_C: apparantly
[07:57] <Strife> bjr223: are you trying to run the composite manager?
[07:57] <bjr223> ok..
[07:57] <bjr223> hmm..
[07:57] <nalioth> X_L_N_C: yes it does
[07:57] <reka> bjr223: have you restarted?
[07:57] <bjr223> reka, yes.
[07:57] <Kvark> ah, then if you want them locally only you might want a firewall to block people from accessing those, or configure them to only listen to localhost...
[07:57] <reka> bjr223: and you changed "ati" to "fglrx"?
[07:57] <bjr223> yes
[07:57] <pallav> hey there ppl
[07:57] <reka> bjr223: and you loaded the module?
[07:57] <zenlunatic> nalioth: not mine
[07:57] <bjr223> reka, im pretty sure.
[07:57] <edc> anyone here runnin an asus a8n deluxe amd64 setup?
[07:57] <reka> bjr223: lsmod | grep fglrx
[07:58] <pallav> is there any one who can help me??
[07:58] <Strife> pallav: not if you don't ask your actual question
[07:58] <bjr223> fglrx                 229568  0
[07:58] <nalioth> zenlunatic: i'm on a hoary ibook right now, tryin to asnwer yer question (but the thing locked up)
[07:58] <edc> pallav, : its my duty to say... JUST ASK!
[07:58] <reka> hmm
[07:58] <X_L_N_C> so hoary hedgehog is firefox 1.0.2 with updated security patches .. but not 1.0.4 ?
[07:58] <pallav> ok
[07:58] <nalioth> pallav: we need a question, first
[07:58] <Strife> bjr223: I ask again, are you trying to run the composite extension?
[07:58] <Will__> I can help you ask your question!
[07:58] <nalioth> X_L_N_C: that is correct
[07:58] <bjr223> what is the composite extension?
[07:59] <pallav> i have 1 hdd with partion in one i have windows and and in the other one i have ubantu
[07:59] <goldfish> bjr223: it's used to get real transparency.
[07:59] <Strife> bjr223: ok that probably means you aren't...
[07:59] <reka> Strife: he's following BinaryDriverHowTo in the wiki
[07:59] <goldfish> well
[07:59] <edc> pallav, ; find the windows partition and delete it..
[07:59] <pallav> and in my other hard drive i have some files i want to access the other hard drive
[07:59] <Strife> reka: well, I didn't know if he had added composite support earlier, which doesn't work for fglrx, but works for ati
[07:59] <Will__> pallav: ntfs, or fat32?
[07:59] <Strife> pallav: which is the 'other' partition?
[08:00] <pallav> ntfs
[08:00] <reka> Strife: i don't recall him saying anything bout transparency.  i thought he just wanted to install the driver for 3d support
[08:00] <bjr223> reka, thats correct, thats what I wanted.
[08:00] <NeoGeo64> i have windows media player 10 running on ubuntu
[08:00] <reka> bjr223: post your xorg.conf file to paste.ubuntulinux.nl and then post the link to it here.
[08:00] <Strife> reka: right, but just because someone doesn't mention something doesn't necessarily mean that they didn't use it :)
[08:00] <bjr223> reka, ok.
[08:00] <pallav> how can i see the files on that drive??
[08:01] <bjr223> Strife, what is this transparency stuff, for a nicer looking interface?
[08:01] <NeoGeo64> for people who like to waste clock cycles
[08:01] <Strife> bjr223: yeah, it's just eyecandy... but because ATI sucks, you can't have both 3D acceleration and eyecandy at the same time
[08:01] <bjr223> Strife, I see.
[08:01] <Will__> pallav: http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[08:01] <Strife> bjr223: so you CAN use the non-accelerated drivers to get the eyecandy, but then that goes as slow as hell
[08:02] <NeoGeo64> if programmers did a better job we wouldnt need 4ghz processors and half of your hard drives storage in system memory
[08:02] <pallav> didn't really help thats why i m here
[08:02] <PhantomFreak> Can somebody please help! You're all ignoring me again! My wireless ared is detected in Device Manager but not as wlan0 or ath0 or anything recognizable! Now will someone give me a hand instead of just sitting there?
[08:02] <bjr223> reka, what is that link again?
[08:02] <Will__> pallav: Ah. Why did it not help?
[08:02] <reka> bjr223: scroll up :P
[08:03] <bjr223> reka, xchat crashed.
[08:03] <pallav> okay 1st thing when i click on the drives under /dev/....bla bla
[08:03] <daffodil> can anyone help me with my monitor issues?  i just got a flatscreen lcd monitor but it only displays in 640x800 or some small number
[08:03] <nalioth> Will__: please give a public service msg when you recommend ubuntuguide
[08:03] <GNULinuxer> daffodil: yes
[08:03] <pallav> it comes up with a message saying couldn't display /dev/hda1...
[08:03] <daffodil> GNULinuxer, i tried following some instructions i found online and altered my xorg.conf but to no avail
[08:03] <Will__> nalioth: I have no idea what that means
[08:03] <nalioth> Will__: re: #3 here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[08:03] <reka> PhantomFreak: most of the time it's b/c no one in the room (who is awake) has an answer for you, not that we're ignoring you.
[08:03] <daffodil> and i did back up the original of course :)
[08:04] <GNULinuxer> daffodil: show me lsmod
[08:04] <reka> bjr223: paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:04] <pallav> so i thought it is not mounted so i tried mounting it using mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/test
[08:04] <daffodil> want me to paste it in pm or at the website in the topic?
[08:04] <daffodil> or is there a particular module you're looking for?
[08:04] <Will__> nalioth: Ah. Noted. I shall update my practices
[08:04] <sexcopter8000m> hi, is there alternative software out there for linux to play real media and/or quicktime media, like quicktime alternative for windows?
[08:04] <bjr223> reka, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/370
[08:04] <pallav> then it says only root can do that
[08:05] <pallav> i don't have a root account
[08:05] <pallav> i m confused
[08:05] <pallav> :(
[08:05] <Will__> pallav: use sudo to enter a command as root
[08:05] <nalioths_dog> sexcopter8000m: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[08:05] <pallav> sudo  root??
[08:05] <jeroen_> pallav, sudo command
[08:05] <Kvark> no pallav, just add sudo in front of the command
[08:05] <PhantomFreak> OK then, a bit simpler this time! How do I create an entry say "/dev/wlan0" to link to my card?
[08:05] <bpuccio> hmmm, marillat is replaced by backports?  I didn't get that memo, I'll change things now
[08:05] <sexcopter8000m> tyvm nalioths_dog
[08:05] <pallav> ok
[08:06] <dr_willis> time to read some tutorials :)
[08:07] <Aerebus> Hello all, could someone explain to me the differences between ubuntu and fedora? i'm completely new to linux and 2 friends of mine suggested both fedora or ubuntu to learn from as a first time experience.
[08:07] <reka> bjr223: hmm, it seems correct.
[08:07] <Strife> Aerebus: the difference is that fedora sucks
[08:08] <dr_willis> :)
[08:08] <daffodil> GNULinuxer, i just posted it as devon
[08:08] <bjr223> reka, odd..so everything seems correct?
[08:08] <nalioth> Aerebus: two words: NO rpms
[08:08] <Strife> Aerebus: honestly, though, the only differences are how certain things work, e.g., package management
[08:08] <Strife> that's really the biggest difference
[08:08] <reka> bjr223: from what i can see, yes.
[08:08] <Strife> apt >> rpm
[08:08] <GNULinuxer> daffodil: where?
[08:09] <we2by> IcemanV9, screenshot?
[08:09] <reka> bjr223: sure you installed the package? :-/
[08:09] <Will__> I should stop idling on irc when I've had 2 hours of sleep and 12 cups of coffee. I feel stupid and slightly mean
[08:09] <Strife> heh
[08:09] <gotonpo> hi, would someone like to help me with a dumb problem? (permissions on a second HD)
[08:09] <GNULinuxer> daffodil: read this --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:09] <bjr223> reka, how do I double check
[08:09] <daffodil> GNULinuxer, i will go do that now and return here if i need help, thank you
[08:09] <mig`> afternoon...
[08:10] <GNULinuxer> daffodil: ok
[08:10] <Aerebus> well whats a rpm? lol like i said i'm new
[08:10] <bjr223> reka, when i run apt-get install fglrx-driver it says selecting xorg-driver-fglrx instead of fglrx-driver.
[08:10] <mig`> i'm on the ubuntu livecd, are there any tools that will let me format (into fat32) a drive?
[08:10] <bjr223> and then it says that xorg-driver-fglrx is already the newest version.
[08:10] <GNULinuxer> Aerebus: it's a package format
[08:10] <mig`> one of my external hard drives is dying, and only linux can read files from it, i need to copy files over, but first i have to format another external drive i have into fat32
[08:10] <reka> bjr223: you installed xorg-driver-fglrx correct?
[08:10] <bjr223> yes
[08:10] <nalioth> Aerebus: rpms are files used by Red Hat Package Mangler, er manager
[08:11] <reka> bjr223: fglrx-driver is for warty
[08:11] <nalioth> Aerebus: there is a term made just for rpms
[08:11] <bjr223> i realize this now...but it changed it to xorg-driver-fglrx for Hoary
[08:11] <nalioth> rpm-hell
[08:11] <GNULinuxer> nalioth: don't confuse a newbie with too many terms :)
[08:11] <Aerebus> so you guys think ubuntu would be a better experience for someone who knows nothing about linux and has never used it whatsoever?
[08:11] <reka> bjr223: and apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx says it's already installed?
[08:12] <Will__> Aerebus: Yes, yes, a thousand times yes
[08:12] <nalioth> Aerebus: ubuntu is the best choice
[08:12] <GNULinuxer> Aerebus: yes, provided you follow instructions
[08:12] <reka> Aerebus: you might be stumped by a few things in the installer though . :)
[08:12] <bjr223> reka, yes.
[08:12] <Aerebus> like?
[08:12] <Kvark> like choosing language
[08:12] <Aerebus> LOL
[08:12] <reka> Aerebus: do you know what a bootloader/mbr is?  how to partition your HDD?
[08:12] <GNULinuxer> Aerebus: the partiotioner is not too easy ...
[08:12] <Kvark> other then that there isn't much trouble with the installer
[08:13] <gotonpo> Hey guys.. i just formatted a second HD with GParted (fat32) and mounted it.. but i don't have permissions to write to it.. can someone help me out?
[08:13] <Aerebus> rake, yep
[08:13] <GNULinuxer> gotonpo: yes
[08:13] <reka> bjr223: hmm, i'm not sure.
[08:13] <njan> gotonpo, unless it's a shared system, add umask=0 to the flags you're using
[08:13] <Kvark> oh, yes free up space for a partition first before you start install
[08:13] <reka> bjr223: if it wasn't working, you wouldn't be able to start X
[08:13] <reka> bjr223: but you seem to be able to
[08:13] <Aerebus> when it comes to typical windows pc's i'm very knowledgable but i'm tired of windows *sigh*
[08:13] <reka> Aerebus: then you'll be fine. :)
[08:13] <gotonpo> njan: i have umask=000 already in there.. is that different?
[08:14] <reka> Aerebus: get burning. see you again soon. :)
[08:14] <Aerebus> one question tho
[08:14] <Will__> Aerebus: I like my desk. 2 identical (almost) computers. One runs windows, and one runs linux
[08:14] <kevin> ok .. now im having an mp3 problem
[08:14] <Aerebus> my drive is ntfs
[08:14] <bjr223> reka, in /var/log/Xorg.0.log it says that DRI initialization Failed.
[08:14] <Kvark> Aerebus: just make sure you have seme unpartitioned space
[08:14] <kevin> palying waaaaay to fast.
[08:14] <Aerebus> will ubuntu install on it?
[08:14] <bjr223> reka, maybe driver kernel module missing or bad
[08:14] <bjr223> then it says no 3D acceleration available.
[08:14] <reka> bjr223: but it says it's loaded, which is why i'm stumped
[08:15] <Kvark> Aerebus: no, the installer needs a new partition, so you need some unpartitioned space for it
[08:15] <reka> anyone else have any ideas?
[08:15] <reka> :)
[08:15] <kevin> hey reka, any idea why my mp3's would be playing fast?
[08:15] <reka> Aerebus: you can resize your windows partition if you want throught the installer.
[08:15] <reka> kevin: what program?
[08:15] <Aerebus> errr, what if my entire drive is ntfs... can i just delete the partition erase everything then create a new one for whatever file system linux uses?
[08:16] <kevin> reka xmms
[08:16] <reka> Aerebus: i repeat, you can resize your windows partition if you want throught the installer. :)
[08:16] <jeroen_> Aerebus, then you'll lose your data
[08:16] <kevin> and i get an error on rhythmbox
[08:16] <Kvark> Aerebus: that is very easy, or you can resize it with the installer as reka says, which is a lil harder
[08:16] <reka> Aerebus: and then use the newly freed space to install ubuntu
[08:16] <Aerebus> ya... thats the point to get rid of windows lol
[08:16] <HermanDE> Aerebus: Do you care about the windows partition?
[08:16] <jeroen_> Aerebus, oh sure you can
[08:16] <reka> Aerebus: you sure you want to get rid of it entirely?
[08:17] <reka> kevin: hmm, try using beep-media-player and see if it's any different
[08:17] <jasoncohen> Aerebus, if it's mostly empty space, you can probably shrink the NTFS partition, and copy the data over
[08:17] <HermanDE> Aerebus: You might want to take care of your settings and files....  Like email and addresses....
[08:17] <Aerebus> the data is all backed up i'm not worried about losing anything i wanna have 1 drive with linux on it and my entired drive has 1 partition thats ntfs if i delete that partition can i still repartition and install ubuntu?
[08:17] <reka> Aerebus: yes, it will delete windows and set it up automatically iirc
[08:18] <HermanDE> Aerebus: Let'er rip.  Follow the installer and just delete the whole partition....
[08:18] <Kvark> Aerebus: if you don't want to keep windows or the data on it, then it's best to make a new partition for linux that takes up the whole disk
[08:18] <Aerebus> kk
[08:18] <bjr223> reka, brb, restarting again.
[08:18] <skel_> are balckbox and fluxbox anygood?
[08:18] <reka> skel_: people seem to like fluxbox
[08:18] <Aerebus> how many gigabytes can linux see? as many as you designate into the partition?
[08:18] <HermanDE> skel_: Yep...
[08:18] <skel_> alrighty
[08:19] <skel_> i gonna try fluxbox again
[08:19] <skel_> first time there was almost nothing there
[08:19] <skel_> lol
[08:19] <reka> skel_: read up first
[08:19] <reka> skel_: yeah, taht's what i mean
[08:19] <xhaker> anyone got ati fglrx module compile right on breezy?
[08:19] <reka> skel_: you have to do some config iirc
[08:19] <HermanDE> Aerebus: Depends on your motherboard, IDE level and hard drive....
[08:19] <edc> lol
[08:20] <HermanDE> Aerebus: For the most part, Linux can see 4 Terrabytes...  If I remember correctly...
[08:20] <mig`> anyone here willing to help me? i have a usb 2.0 connected drive, that i want for format as fat32
[08:20] <reka> xhaker: prerequisite question: you *do* know breezy is still under development right?
[08:20] <Aerebus> ok so its standard computer mechanics, i.e. 137gb barrier mobo limits etc
[08:20] <mig`> im on the ubuntu livecd
[08:20] <Aerebus> cool
[08:20] <daffodil> GNULinuxer:  well i tried the first option, and now i can't even get xserver to run at all
[08:20] <daffodil> do you have the link for that wiki again since i can't get to it right now?
[08:20] <Aerebus> ty everyone that helped contribute to my questions :)
[08:20] <GNULinuxer> oops
[08:20] <daffodil> i'm on my laptop right now
[08:20] <xhaker> reka: i do know that
[08:20] <GNULinuxer> daffodil: get the backup on
[08:20] <reka> Aerebus: hehe, see you soon then.
[08:20] <Aerebus> :)
[08:21] <HermanDE> Aerebus: That is only for booting.  Once booted, Linux can discover the proper settings and even run a 200 G hard drive on a pentium 1 motherboard.
[08:21] <kevin> reka, still fast
[08:21] <reka> HermanDE: don't you hate when they leave right before you post?
[08:21] <mig`> whats the su password on an ubuntu livecd?
[08:22] <xhaker> reka, i'm not really an unskilled user, but applying fc4 patches for gcc4 compatibility makes the module compile but it doesn't do DRI
[08:22] <daffodil> i copied the original back into xorg.conf and that doesn't even work
[08:22] <HermanDE> reka: It is either that or a large delay.  I'm thinking it is a delay.
[08:22] <reka> kevin: hmm, have you installed gstreamer0.8-mad?
[08:22] <daffodil> GNULinuxer:  do you have the link for the wiki again so i can get back to it?
[08:22] <kevin> reka, yes.
[08:22] <GNULinuxer> yes
[08:22] <reka> xhaker: yeah, sorry, i can't really help with breezy.
[08:22] <HermanDE> mig`: Try sudo instead of su....
[08:22] <GNULinuxer> daffodil: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:22] <mig`> ok
[08:23] <daffodil> thank you
[08:23] <xhaker> reka, it should be something to talk about on -devel
[08:23] <shamus> Hello, what's the best way to install ubuntu to make this a dual boot system, take out this harddrive and slide the one i'm going to install ubuntu in as the master, install and then put the windows back in as slave?
[08:24] <gotonpo> can mac os x read ext3 filesystems?
[08:24] <xhaker> shamus, why? just keep both plugged and make sure the install detects the windows partition
[08:24] <gotonpo> easily?
[08:24] <mig`> anyone know what the max partition size for fat32 is?
[08:24] <HermanDE> shamus: I'd suggest using a boot loader like xosl.  Which version of Windows?
[08:24] <shamus> xp
[08:25] <shamus> so put the second harddrive which i am going to instal ubuntu on in as slave?
[08:25] <reka> kevin: may have found something...
[08:25] <Kvark> shamus: can't you give them a cable each?
[08:25] <HermanDE> shamus: XP can get very picky as to where the boot is located....
[08:25] <reka> kevin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=15897
[08:26] <reka> kevin: oh, hang on
[08:26] <reka> kevin: did you change the output plugin to esound or alsa?
[08:26] <sham> gah
[08:26] <sham> need to find a good wirelesws channel...
[08:26] <reka> mig`: iirc, it's in the terabyte region
[08:26] <sham> so, put both harddrives as masters?
[08:26] <Kvark> sham: not if they are on the same cable
[08:27] <Gourami> hehe sham
[08:27] <kevin> reka esound doesnt work, alsa does
[08:27] <bjr223> reka, how do i see if direct rendering is working?
[08:27] <PhantomFreak> Why is getting support for Ubuntu like bashing my head against the wall! At this rate I might as well go back ot using Windows XP...
[08:27] <reka> kevin: fixed?
[08:27] <HermanDE> PhantomFreak: what is your problem?
[08:27] <kevin> hey reka, gotta get to work, ima bookmark that and figure it out tomorrow
[08:27] <reka> bjr223: glxinfo | grep rendering
[08:27] <Kvark> PhantomFreak: ask at ubuntuforums.org, very good support community
[08:27] <sham> i'm confused, so should the harddrive that i want to instal ubuntu on be master or slave
[08:27] <reka> kevin: k, good luck
[08:28] <kevin> reka, no, just esound doesnt do anything, oss and alsa is to fast
[08:28] <jasoncohen> in debian i was able to play wmv & quicktime movies from yahoo.com's collection of trailers. In ubuntu, i get a message saying that windows media player & quicktime aren't installed. i have w32codecs, xine-ui, totem-xine, and kaffeine installed. i'm using kaffeine-mozilla to play the videos
[08:28] <bjr223> reka, still says now, but now this comes with too:
[08:28] <bjr223> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:28] <jasoncohen> i can play quicktime trailers on quicktime's site fine
[08:28] <HermanDE> sham: I'd suggest keeping the windows drive as master.  Hook up a drive as slave or master on the second channel.....
[08:28] <PhantomFreak> Kiss my arse you self centred sacks of shit! YOur just sitting there doing nothing, making it all seem like you think I'
[08:28] <mig`> what's the LBA stand for? should i just make a plain old "0B" W95 FAT32 partition, or should i make "0C" W95 FAT32 LBA ?
[08:28] <Kvark> sham: perferably put them on separate cables and make both master, if you got only 1 cable then you'll have to make it slave
[08:28] <mig`> i'm trying to make a 60GB FAT32 Partition
[08:28] <gotonpo> I need some help! I just formatted a second HD with GParted (vfat) and i can't write to it!
[08:29] <reka> heh. poor bugger.
[08:29] <sham> i'm sure i have another ide cable lying around somewhere, thanks
[08:29] <HermanDE> sham: Then go through the installer for ubuntu.  Ensure that you install on the slave or secondary master.....
[08:29] <Will__> PhantomFreak was a little upset. That's sad.
[08:29] <Kvark> I so want to dos that phantomfreak guy
[08:29] <HermanDE> sham: Decide on a good boot loader.  It should be able to boot Linux as well as windows.
[08:29] <reka> mig`: iirc, LBA = large block access
[08:30] <hondje> Anyone who gets that worked up over their computer needs a serious break
[08:30] <sham> doesn't ubuntu have the option to instal grub with it?
[08:30] <HermanDE> sham: There are a few howto's for forcing the XP boot loader to run linux...
[08:30] <bjr223> reka, any ideas?
[08:30] <mig`> i see.. hmm, i think i'll use that then
[08:30] <GNULinuxer> reka: it's Logical
[08:31] <HermanDE> I guess PhantomFreak is broke and cant access the interne....  Wait a minute.  Guess he is using the bird peer to peer network....
[08:31] <reka> GNULinuxer: ah, ok.  cheers.
[08:31] <gotonpo> I need some help! I just formatted a second HD with GParted (vfat) and i can't write to it!
[08:31] <HermanDE> sham: Grub can work.  Just take care to get the partition names correct for windows XP.....
[08:31] <gotonpo> someone guide me!
[08:31] <reka> bjr223: ok, do this first: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.backup
[08:32] <GNULinuxer> reka: and it's addressing, not access :)
[08:32] <reka> then: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:32] <bjr223> done
[08:32] <HermanDE> gotonpo: Did you mount the partition?  Which OS?
[08:32] <bjr223> reka, ok...
[08:32] <reka> GNULinuxer: ah, may have got confused with something i read about BIOS. :)
[08:32] <GNULinuxer> reka: lol
[08:32] <gotonpo> HermanDE, yes it's mounted.. hoary
[08:33] <HermanDE> gotonpo: How was it mounted?  What are the permissions?
[08:33] <mig`> ok think i've done it, now let me try copying from my NTFS drive -> fat32 drive I just formatted
[08:33] <gotonpo> HermanDE, when i go to properties in the file browser it says i have read/write/execute permissions, but i can't make a new folder on it
[08:33] <daffodil> hah!  i got it working
[08:33] <bjr223> reka, ok, running through this atm
[08:33] <gotonpo> HermanDE, i messed with fstab to mount it
[08:34] <mig`> still find it funny that windows xp can't see this drive, and yet linux can :p
[08:34] <bjr223> reka, kernel framebuffer device int. yes or no?
[08:34] <HermanDE> gotonpo: What were the options you put into fstab?
[08:34] <reka> er, help people?
[08:34] <gotonpo> HermanDE, /dev/hdb1       /home/wes/hdb1  vfat    umask=000       0       0
[08:34] <daffodil> GNULinuxer:  i'm more of a windows person than linux, but i'm very eager to learn, which is why i'm playing with ubuntu, so from my windows knowledge, i used the grand old age trick of rebooting, and now it's working, LOL
[08:34] <HermanDE> gotonpo: type in mount from a terminal and see what the permissions are....
[08:34] <reka> bjr223: sorry, never run it myself. :)
[08:34] <daffodil> thanks for that link though, i will save it for future reference
[08:34] <reka> bjr223: although i'd assume defaults are OK
[08:34] <HermanDE> mig`: It is a special drive.  Formatted with nonMS tools...  :)
[08:35] <mig`> hmm, it seems i'm having the same problem as someone else here
[08:35] <gotonpo> HermanDE, mount gives me this - /dev/hdb1 on /home/wes/hdb1 type vfat (ro,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=0000)
[08:35] <mig`> i can't write (no permissions) to the drive
[08:35] <mig`> i wonder if i sudo and try to copy from the terminal if it'll work
[08:35] <bjr223> reka, ok, ran through it, all done, restart x or the entire box?
[08:35] <Seveas> gotonpo, the ro does that
[08:35] <GNULinuxer> daffodil: you just needed to restart the XServer
[08:35] <Seveas> mount it rw
[08:35] <HermanDE> gotonpo: See the "ro"  That means READ ONLY.  The owner is user 1000 and group 1000
[08:35] <reka> bjr223: um, X should be fine i think
[08:36] <GNULinuxer> daffodil: but a reboot doesn't hurt!
[08:36] <daffodil> GNULinuxer:  i did that a million times and it didn't work, but now it does, haha
[08:36] <gotonpo> HermanDE, ok, how can i fix it?
[08:36] <gotonpo> sorry i'm very new to this.
[08:36] <daffodil> so now i have two computers with ubuntu on them, just need to figur eout how to get them to see each other
[08:36] <Seveas> gotonpo, unmount and mount with rw option
[08:36] <HermanDE> gotonpo:  try "mount /dev/hdb1 -o remount,rw"
[08:36] <bjr223> reka, still no direct rendering.
[08:36] <xhaker> hey HiddenWolf
[08:37] <mig`> heh, that seems to have worked ;)
[08:37] <gotonpo> beautiful, it works!
[08:37] <reka> fudge
[08:37] <gotonpo> will this be permanent?
[08:37] <Seveas> gotonpo, no
[08:37] <mig`> i guess, as a normal user, ubuntu didnt have permission
[08:37] <gotonpo> how can i put it in the boot process?
[08:37] <mig`> i love this livecd though ;)
[08:37] <HermanDE> EVERYTHING IS FIXED....  Time to get a beer...
[08:37] <Seveas> did you put the drive in /etc/fstab?
[08:37] <mig`> guess i'll have to keep on copying everything via cmdline
[08:37] <gotonpo> Seveas, yes
[08:37] <reka> bjr223: try a reboot?  sorry i'm stumped.
[08:37] <HiddenWolf> xhaker, hi
[08:37] <bjr223> reka, ok, trying a reboot.
[08:37] <Seveas> gotonpo, then change the options field, add rw to it
[08:38] <Seveas> gotonpo, if this sounds like abracadabra, paste the relevant line from fstab here :)
[08:38] <gotonpo> Seveas, help me with that.. this is what's in fstab now. /dev/hdb1       /home/wes/hdb1  vfat    umask=000       0       0
[08:38] <anna> does anyone know where to put cursor/pointer themes globally so they are available to everyone?
[08:38] <Seveas>  /dev/hdb1     /home/wes/hdb1    vfat     rw,umask=0000
[08:38] <Seveas>  /dev/hdb1     /home/wes/hdb1    vfat     rw,umask=0000    0      0
[08:38] <Seveas> don't forget the zeroes :)
[08:39] <gotonpo> awesome
[08:39] <gotonpo> thank you so much
[08:39] <gotonpo> this was killin me
[08:39] <Seveas> anna, http://art.gnome.org/faq.php should know
[08:40] <Zodiac> sup all
[08:40] <bjr223> reka, still none.
[08:40] <HermanDE> Zodiac: Where is the soup?
[08:40] <Zodiac> I done ate it
[08:40] <reka> bjr223: :(
[08:41] <HermanDE> reka: What's the prob?
[08:41] <gotonpo> thanks again everyone
[08:41] <reka> bjr223: i honestly don't know what's next...
[08:41] <gotonpo> i'm sure i'll be back soon
[08:41] <reka> HermanDE: well, he left, but he was trying to install the xorg-fglrx driver for his ati card
[08:41] <HermanDE> reka: Wow..  Didn't even wait... :)
[08:42] <reka> i think he's gone back to his old OS :(
[08:42] <HermanDE> reka: eeewwww...   I really wish ati would finally fix their OS stuff....
[08:42] <HermanDE> reka: That was ment to be Open Source....
[08:43] <reka> i have an almost iddentical card though
[08:43] <reka> to him
[08:43] <reka> and it works fine here.
[08:44] <HermanDE> reka: My experience with ATI under linux is to replace it with nvidia....
[08:44] <reka> HermanDE: hehe, not the first time i've heard that.
[08:46] <TPC> something makes it lock the computer so it asks for a password if I turn down the laptop screen. how can I disable this?
[08:47] <Seveas> TPC, edit the scripts in /etc/acpi
[08:47] <TPC> ok, tanks
[08:47] <TPC> thanks*
[08:48] <blaroe> hi all - running the 386 kernel with nvidia-driver on an Athlon-XP machine.  If I switch to the K7 kernel will I need to reinstall the nvidia drivers?
[08:49] <jeroen_> blaroe, you can choose between -386 and -k7 at boot
[08:49] <jeroen_> blaroe, so you can just try it out
[08:49] <sean_> does ubuntu come with mp3 codecs?
[08:49] <chonny69> hi
[08:49] <HermanDE> sean_: Yep....
[08:49] <reka> sean_: not on default install
[08:50] <reka> HermanDE: it does? :-/
[08:50] <bjr223> reka, still no luck.
[08:50] <blaroe> jeron - thanks.   If I need to reinstall, can I force this through apt-get?
[08:50] <sean_> well, nothing works with xmms
[08:50] <reka> ah, you came back. :)
[08:50] <sean_> only cds work
[08:50] <bjr223> reka, yeah, gdm wasn't starting correctly.
[08:50] <HermanDE> reka: Compressor/Decompressor..  Think mpg123 as a decompressor...  Compressor might be a little odd...
[08:50] <reka> sean_: did you change the output plugin to esound?
[08:50] <bjr223> reka, then i had trouble figuring out how to kill gdm
[08:51] <reka> could someone help out bjr223?  i'm stumped
[08:51] <chonny69> hey i'm just curious:  is there a messenger client for linux that has webcam support?
[08:51] <mig`> hmm, i'm going to need some help with 'cp', there is a way i can have it parse a list of commands maybe? (or copy files from a list) ?
[08:51] <Seveas> HermanDE, coder/decoder a codec is not neccessarily a compressor :)
[08:51] <chaps0063> i am bjr223..
[08:51] <chaps0063> changed names.
[08:51] <mig`> i want to copy over 9 files, with different names
[08:51] <HermanDE> sean_: Try and download mpg123
[08:51] <xhaker> mercury supports webcam, it needs java
[08:51] <Seveas> HermanDE, mpg321 is better
[08:51] <mig`> but i have to do it doing: 'sudo cp -rv ....'
[08:51] <HermanDE> Seveas: Schemantickes...
[08:52] <mig`> hmm, let me try man cp
[08:52] <Seveas> HermanDE, and should be used with mpg321 -o esd on Hoary
[08:52] <mpm> anyone help me figure out how to tweak this script to convert wma to wav instead of wma-mp3?  http://pastebin.com/306247
[08:52] <chonny69> mercury does?  can it connect to the msn protocol?
[08:52] <Gourami> is there any way to send a scheduled message to the current user via a cron job ?
[08:52] <Michel> Hello
[08:52] <reka> ah, well can someone help out chaps0063 with his fglrx driver issues?
[08:52] <goldfish> Gourami: you could use 'wall' maybe.
[08:52] <chaps0063> reka, thanks...this is a rather interesting problem..
[08:53] <goldfish> Gourami: man wall
[08:53] <Michel> I just switched to Ubuntu from Suse 9.3. Does anyone know how to have multiple XWindows server running? (Multiple session) like in Suse?
[08:53] <Gourami> is there a man for wall ? goldfish
[08:53] <Gourami> not familiar with it
[08:53] <goldfish> i have one on this box
[08:53] <TPC> mig`, if the list of files is in filelist.txt just do: for i in $(cat filelist.txt); do mv $i /path/to/destination; done
[08:53] <Gourami> ok will check, thanks
[08:53] <goldfish> im not on ubuntu though
[08:53] <Seveas> Michel, applications -> system tools -> new login
[08:54] <Seveas> Michel, if you install xnest you also get: New login in a nested window
[08:54] <mig`> thanks TPC
[08:54] <mig`> now, let me make filelist.txt
[08:54] <Michel> seveas it did not do anything.....
[08:54] <Michel> Seveas, I am using kde... not sure if that makes a difference.
[08:54] <Seveas> Michel, it does :)
[08:54] <TPC> mig`, if there is spaces in the filename you want to put the $i after mv in quotes
[08:54] <odie5533_> Anyone know why KDE doesn't give me the option for shutdown?
[08:55] <sean_> hmm, is  there something im doing wrong because no media file will play
[08:55] <mig`> thx
[08:55] <chonny69> xhaker thanks for pointing out the mercury client for me
[08:55] <Seveas> this works only on gnome, KDE might have it too but i don't know
[08:55] <odie5533_> and my WDM manager, when I try to halt it gives me "Error Halting"
[08:55] <Seveas> odie5533_, because you use GDM
[08:55] <xhaker> chonny69, np
[08:55] <sean_> says i dont have the codecs
[08:55] <Seveas> or WDM :)
[08:55] <Michel> Hmmmm maybe I should have installed kubuntu :)
[08:55] <Seveas> odie5533_, KDE can only offer a shutdown option if you run KDM
[08:55] <reka> chaps0063: to say the least.
[08:55] <reka> chaps0063: i'm tempted to tell you to try the official ati driver....but you might have the same problem and would have done all the work for nothing
[08:55] <gm78> Hey. If there is a package in an apt repo, how do i download the deb using apt? (i dont mean apt-get install, i mean a command to download the deb to my home folder or somewhere on my harddrive without installing it)
[08:56] <nalioths_dog> sean_: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[08:56] <Michel> Seveas, how do you switch between running KDM and GDM?
[08:56] <Seveas> apt-get -d install
[08:56] <chaps0063> understood.
[08:56] <odie5533_> Is there anyway to shut down with WDM?
[08:56] <chaps0063> reka, how difficult is the official at driver
[08:56] <nalioth> gm78: use the --download-only option
[08:56] <Seveas> Michel, edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[08:57] <chaps0063> reka, i just downloaded the rpm from ati, what is the command to install from rpm?
[08:57] <sean_> nalioths_dog, thanks
[08:57] <Seveas> chaps0063, BAD idea
[08:57] <Seveas> throw out the rpm
[08:57] <chaps0063> Seveas, ok.
[08:57] <Seveas> chaps0063: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:57] <Seveas> follow these instructions
[08:57] <reka> Seveas: he did that.  that's the problem
[08:57] <chaps0063> Seveas, i did and it doesn't work/
[08:57] <reka> he's still not getting DR
[08:57] <gm78> nalioth, when i use this option, where will it download the deb to?
[08:58] <Seveas> ah, ok
[08:58] <Seveas> so you did put driver = "fglrx" in the xorg.conf..?
[08:58] <chaps0063> Seveas, yes.
[08:58] <atomik> hi all
[08:58] <Seveas> gm78, /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:58] <chaps0063> Seveas, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/370
[08:58] <nalioth> gm78: /var/apt/cache, i believe
[08:58] <atomik> does ubuntu use NPTL as a threading lib ? or it uses linux threads instead ?
[08:58] <gm78> nalioh Seveas, thank you both for your help
[08:59] <racket2424> please forgive my noobness, but to run a .sh script from console do I just type in the file name?
[08:59] <Seveas> chaps0063, that xorg.conf is missing a few things
[08:59] <chaps0063> Seveas, like?
[08:59] <dao> hey
[08:59] <reka> Seveas: any ideas? he gets: "Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0" when running glxinfo | grep rendering iirc
[08:59] <dao> what is the command to search for packages with apt-get?
[08:59] <chaps0063> reka, i had issues then...now it just says direct rendering: no
[09:00] <Seveas> chaps0063, compare it with mine here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/376
[09:00] <TPC> dao, apt-cache search
[09:00] <randabis> hi folks
[09:00] <nalioth> racket2424: there are multiple answers one is "sh filename.sh"
[09:00] <dao> ty
[09:00] <gm78> What does everyone think about upgrading my system with ubuntu backports??? Is it risky??? Is it stable???
[09:00] <nalioth> racket2424: the other is..is the file executable already? in which case, yes ,just run it from the prompt
[09:00] <randabis> it's generally pretty safe gm78
[09:00] <Seveas> gm78, risky but doable if donw with precaution
[09:00] <nalioth> gm78: do not upgrade your system
[09:00] <atomik> nobody knows ? (nptl or linux threads in ubuntu ?)
[09:00] <TPC> randabis, don't forget to put ./ before the filename, since its most likely not in your path
[09:01] <Seveas> gm78, I myself run a system with backports enabled (except for firefox)
[09:01] <randabis> TPC
[09:01] <gavin> hi people, i am as new as it gets to linux, all i want is to update firefox
[09:01] <nalioth> gm78: use BP for the programs you can't get using reg ubuntu repos (then comment BP out)
[09:01] <randabis> TPC: ?
[09:01] <TPC> like ./filename.sh
[09:01] <Seveas> atomik, linuxthreads
[09:01] <racket2424> nalioth, thanks....i realized my mistake.. it was an extension problem
[09:01] <racket2424> thanks !
[09:01] <randabis> TPC: I think you meant racket2424
[09:01] <randabis> :p
[09:01] <Seveas> atomik, afaik that is...
[09:01] <TPC> yeah, wrong completion
[09:01] <TPC> :P
[09:01] <atomik> Seveas: do you know if it will use NPTL or not ?
[09:01] <TPC> randabis, sorry
[09:01] <Gourami> gavin use synaptic
[09:01] <nalioth> racket2424: it doesnt have to end in .sh to be a shell script
[09:02] <randabis> TPC: no problem. Tab completion can be tricky :p
[09:02] <nalioth> gm78: my opinion comes from the system stability end of things
[09:02] <gm78> nalioth : but then the packages (transcode) require gcc to be updated to version 4
[09:02] <Seveas> atomik, LSB will standardize on NPTL so if it does not use it yet, it will. But i'll double check to see if it uses it now
[09:02] <Kvark> i found some drivers on a french website that I don't know anything about, should I try them?
[09:02] <chonny69> ok, i recently migrated from windows, so i still have windows habits...
[09:02] <randabis> ouch windows habits :p
[09:02] <nalioth> gm78: i have transcode on my ibook here running hoary
[09:02] <atomik> Seveas: ok thanks
[09:02] <gm78> nalioth, from backports?
[09:02] <chaps0063> Seveas, I just see a bunch of things missing, are they vital?
[09:02] <chonny69> but when i extract a folder to the desktop and install it to the system, are the files used by the system on the folder in the desktop?
[09:03] <nalioth> gm78: nope, i used apt to build it
[09:03] <HappyFool> l
[09:03] <Kvark> chonny, yeah, downloading software is a windows habit
[09:03] <Seveas> atomik, it uses NPTL already
[09:03] <gm78> nalioth, word of warning, dont use the source from your website. you'll end up killing yourself :P
[09:03] <Seveas> dennis@mirage /lib/tls $ strings libpthread.so.0 | grep -i nptl
[09:03] <Seveas> NPTL 0.60 by Ulrich Drepper
[09:03] <gm78> *from their website
[09:03] <Kvark> chonny69: get into the linux habit of using synaptic package manager
[09:03] <gm78> i meant to say
[09:04] <Seveas> chaps0063, look at the extmod thingie
[09:04] <atomik> Seveas: how do you check that ?
[09:04] <Seveas> chaps0063, that's essential
[09:04] <Evans> hello all again
[09:04] <atomik> ok
[09:04] <chonny69> i use synaptic for everything system
[09:04] <gm78> nalioth, so how did u go about doing that? i tried everything and only managed to get a very old version installed
[09:04] <TPC> chonny69, what exactly did you do to install the thing?
[09:04] <nalioth> gm78: source from what website?
[09:05] <Kvark> people, should I try drivers from a strange french website?
[09:05] <Evans> dose anyone know how can get a windows stufff onto Ubuntu
[09:05] <gm78> nalioth, transcoding.org, just spent a few days trying to get their thing to compile, the configure script doesnt work at all
[09:05] <chonny69> tpc:  well i have a nomad zen xtra and i downloaded nomadsync to sync it with my system
[09:05] <Gourami> Evans you can try wine depending on what you want to do
[09:05] <chonny69> i downloaded and extracted the nomadsync to my home folder
[09:05] <reka> Kvark: would you accept lollies from a strange frenchman? :P
[09:05] <nalioth> gm78: nope, you'll need to find a repository or a source repo with it available
[09:05] <mig`> TPC: not working
[09:05] <chonny69> it's libnjb, actually
[09:06] <Evans> Gourami are eagle drivers good?
[09:06] <Seveas> atomik, the libary in /usr/lib is linuxthreads though
[09:06] <Kvark> reka: no, but there is no drivers for my graphics tablet in the repos :(
[09:06] <TPC> mig`, whats went wrong?
[09:06] <TPC> what*
[09:06] <mig`> in 'files' i have: /media/volname/path\ to\ dir/file
[09:06] <chonny69> but my question is, when i run ./install and so on, do i still need that libnjb in my home folder
[09:06] <mig`> i do that for each file in 'files' separated by a newline
[09:06] <mig`> then in the console i'm doing:
[09:06] <Gourami> no idea Evans, you want windows drivers or windows apps ?
[09:06] <mig`> for i in $(cat files); do cp -v $i /media/othervol/dir/; done
[09:07] <Evans> Gourami PM
[09:07] <reka> Kvark: hmm, i can't really advise you as i don't have a tablet myself.  have you checked the forums for any similar topics?
[09:07] <mig`> i'm getting: cp: cannot stat ....
[09:07] <chonny69> (however, i'm going to check synaptic first)
[09:07] <Bruno> jest kto z Polski??
[09:07] <Kvark> reka: yeah, nothing about it found
[09:07] <TPC> mig`, you can put an echo before cp to see the exact command its trying to execute
[09:07] <atomik> Seveas: ok
[09:07] <Seveas> Bruno, #ubuntu-pl
[09:07] <mig`> replace .... with alot of the spaces between the files
[09:07] <mig`> ok, let me try it
[09:07] <chaps0063> Seveas, so if i make changes to xorg.conf, just a restart of x is required?
[09:07] <Seveas> chaps0063, indeed
[09:07] <chaps0063> brb
[09:07] <reka> Kvark: and you did some extensive googling?
[09:07] <mig`> hmm
[09:07] <chonny69> looks like it's already there
[09:07] <Bruno> thank U
[09:08] <Kvark> thinking about filing a bug report asking them to add support for it, but first I'd like to see if there is drivers that help, might mention them in the bug report if they do...
[09:08] <gavin> i need help
[09:08] <jeroen_> gavin, just ask
[09:08] <gavin> i dont want to give up on linux
[09:08] <jeroen_> gavin, that's the topic
[09:08] <mig`> everything is on its line in gedit
[09:08] <gavin> all i want to do is update firefox
[09:08] <Seveas> gavin, what's the problem?
[09:08] <Seveas> gavin, why..?
[09:08] <Michel> Seveas: Thanks. Switching to KDM did the trick. But it still is not 'new login' I need to use. Instead the "Switch user" menu option has appeared in my menu :)
[09:08] <mig`> however, echo shows that cp is being called for partial lines
[09:08] <Seveas> FF in ubuntu is recent (all 1.0.4 patches applied)
[09:09] <reka> Kvark: well if you have no qualms about it possibly breaking your system and you are desperate, i'd try them...sure they match what you're looking for though?
[09:09] <mig`> partial paths
[09:09] <nuttychicken> sorry to ask a stupid question but can anyone awsner a couple for me?
[09:09] <Seveas> mig`, do you have spaces in the paths?
[09:09] <Kvark> reka, i found a sourceforge project that is just what i wanted, but they didn't seem to have the whole archive there anymore, from the sourceforge project they linked to the french place, and they had a modified version of the drivers from sourceforge
[09:09] <Seveas> nuttychicken, just ask :)
[09:09] <TPC> mig`, it doesn't like spaces in paths or filenames
[09:09] <mig`> Seveas, yes, but i add the "\ " before each space
[09:09] <gavin> so i can add extensions and other niffty things
[09:09] <Seveas> mig`, that won't work this way
[09:09] <reka> Kvark: ah, well that boosts their credibility somewhat.
[09:09] <nuttychicken> what rpms doen ubuntu use (sorry i'm kinda a newbie to linux
[09:09] <mig`> i see
[09:09] <reka> Kvark: is there a manufacturer site for your tablet?
[09:09] <jeroen_> gavin, you'll need to change the version number in about:config
[09:09] <Seveas> gavin, you just need to change a setting in firefox
[09:09] <mig`> so i should just remove the "\ " ?
[09:09] <jeroen_> nuttychicken, Ubuntu uses debs
[09:10] <TPC> mig`, it doesn't matter, for sees a space as a separator for the arguments
[09:10] <nalioth> nuttychicken: ubuntu doesnt use rpm
[09:10] <Seveas> gavin: Open firefox and in about:config set general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4
[09:10] <mig`> i also tried it with "$i" in the for loop
[09:10] <jeroen_> nuttychicken, which are better ;)
[09:10] <mig`> and still gave me issues
[09:10] <TPC> mig`, so it thinks that a new file begins there
[09:10] <Kvark> reka, yes the manfacturer has drivers for windows and mac, and states that for linux one has to use 3rd party open source drivers
[09:10] <TPC> mig`, there was some solution to it, but I can't think of it now
[09:10] <Seveas> mig`, you can never do it that way i'm afraid
[09:10] <mig`> hmm
[09:10] <Seveas> maybe with "  " around the filenames
[09:10] <mig`> i tried that as well
[09:10] <mig`> bah
[09:10] <mig`> i'll just manually copy the files then
[09:11] <mig`> its 9 files, but at this rate, it'll be faster if i copy them manually
[09:11] <lsuactiafner> what the amd xp and amd 3200+ only has a 300 differance in bogomips?!
[09:11] <reka> Kvark: well, i'll leave it up to you. :)
[09:11] <Seveas> nuttychicken, forget rpms, Ubuntu uses .deb files which are a LOT better :)
[09:11] <reka> it's your system after all
[09:11] <nuttychicken> .deb?
[09:11] <TPC> mig`, yes, but its still good to learn for next time
[09:11] <Seveas> nuttychicken, the debian archive format
[09:11] <mig`> i plan to learn it
[09:11] <mig`> but i plan to do it while the files copy ;)
[09:11] <lsuactiafner> damn that sucks
[09:11] <Michel> Seveas, do you kow anything about synaptics mousepads?
[09:11] <Evans> Question : Dose anyone know how to help me setup my ADSL Sagem 800 Modem?
[09:11] <Seveas> nuttychicken, but you will hardly see them, the package manager (system -> admin -> pm) handles them transparently for you
[09:11] <TPC> mig`, you could put __ or something instead of the spaces, and then use sed to replace the __ with a space in the mv command
[09:12] <Seveas> Michel, very little, mine worked out of the box and I never messed with it
[09:12] <TPC> but that seems like overkill, there should be a better way
[09:12] <Kvark> reka, I'm not used to open source, I don't know what the risk is that non debian drivers doesn't work for ubuntu, or how worried I should be about keyloggers etc when getting open source stuff from unknown sources
[09:12] <nuttychicken> well thanks was just courious about that
[09:12] <TPC> mig`, do the files have the same extension or some other special pattern in them that the other files in that dir doesn't have?
[09:12] <Michel> Seveas, it works out of the box for normal things, but it actually says it does not find any synaptics mousepad :(
[09:13] <mig`> they go in order
[09:13] <mig`> they are videos
[09:13] <reka> Kvark: what format do they come in?
[09:13] <Seveas> Michel, odd, maybe you should manually add it to xorg.conf
[09:13] <mig`> so it'd be like: vid140.avi vid141.avi, etc.
[09:13] <Michel> Which mean I cannot use the wheelmouse emulation option.
[09:13] <TPC> because then you could just do: for i in /path/to/*.avi for example, and spaces wouldn'tmatter
[09:13] <mig`> wont work
[09:13] <mig`> i dont want all of them
[09:13] <Seveas> Evans: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[09:13] <nalioth> Kvark: open source means anyone can look at it
[09:13] <Kvark> reka, .tar.bz2
[09:13] <mig`> i only want a subset
[09:13] <nalioth> Kvark: if anyone finds any fishiness, the world will be made known
[09:13] <TPC> mig`, well.. if you want all that starts with vid14 just do /path/to/vid14*.avi
[09:13] <Evans> Seveas i tried
[09:14] <Evans> he said i had to pay :@
[09:14] <TPC> mig`, or some other way, I'm sure there's some way to specify it
[09:14] <reka> nalioth: Kvark's questioning whether or not to trust a driver for his graphics tablet
[09:14] <mig`> actually 14* will work
[09:14] <Seveas> Evans, who did..?
[09:14] <Michel> Seveas, I find the following in Xorg.0.log: Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics event device found (checked 5 nodes)
[09:14] <TPC> mig`, why not?
[09:14] <Kvark> nalioth, so that makes a french website I've never heard of (but that is linked to from a small sourceforge project) trustable?
[09:14] <Evans> this person sent me an Email
[09:14] <mig`> it will
[09:14] <Evans> and in the link it had paidhelp
[09:14] <Seveas> Michel, that goes waayyy beyond my knowledge, sorry
[09:14] <mig`> so what do you suggest then? dir ?
[09:14] <Seveas> Evans, i meant the Ubuntu mailinglists
[09:15] <TPC> mig`, for i in in /path/to/vid14*.avi; do mv "$i" /some/other/path; done
[09:15] <Seveas> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
[09:15] <Michel> Seveas, ok thanks anyway :)
[09:16] <nalioth> Kvark: reka sorry
[09:16] <nuttychicken> ok the other question ....box is dual booted win 98 and ubuntu 2 seperate hd's i want to get ubuntu to automaticly mount hda1 as rw when booting anyhelp?
[09:16] <reka> nalioth: ?
[09:16] <reka> nuttychicken: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[09:16] <nalioth> reka: can't keep up with convos
[09:16] <mig`> that worked ;)
[09:17] <Seveas> nuttychicken, is hda1 the windows drive..?
[09:17] <nuttychicken> yea
[09:17] <Seveas> nuttychicken: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/windows_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[09:17] <Seveas> use that, it's the easiest way :)
[09:17] <reka> Kvark: i'd give it a go.
[09:17] <Seveas> and rw is only possible for FAT, writing to NTFS is not possible
[09:17] <gavin> \seveas
[09:17] <nuttychicken> it's fat
[09:17] <mig`> i'm sure glad there is read support for ntfs though
[09:17] <Seveas> gavin..?
[09:17] <gavin> yeah?
[09:18] <mig`> otherwise the files i'm copying would be gone, windows wont read this drive :(
[09:18] <skel_> Whats a backPorts that is not overloading and has the lastest software
[09:18] <Kvark> reka: one last question, recompile kernel with the drivers or go for the x server version of the drivers?
[09:18] <Seveas> nuttychicken, then use that script I sent you :)
[09:18] <skel_> cause mine has stopped working
[09:18] <gavin> how do you talk just to me?
[09:18] <TPC> I haven't tried it, but from what I've heard captive ntfs enables safe writing to ntfs
[09:18] <Seveas> gavin, i don't , i talk to the channel :)
[09:18] <mig`> and i'm still leaving 100GB on this drive, i'm only copying the smaller directories, the 2 big directories i'm leaving are for when i get my 300GB hdd next week
[09:18] <nuttychicken> thanks seveas
[09:18] <gavin> oh ok
[09:18] <mig`> then i'm going to love this livecd even more ;)
[09:18] <gavin> how do i edit that config file
[09:18] <reka> Kvark: eek.  i defer to nalioth or Seveas for that question. :-/
[09:18] <Seveas> TPC, it does, but there are no packages for it and installing from source is troublesome
[09:18] <TPC> Seveas, hmm
[09:19] <mig`> hmm, 'safe writing' in ntfs ?
[09:19] <reka> Kvark: does it have a readme or install file?
[09:19] <mig`> what does 'safe' mean ?
[09:19] <Seveas> gavin, which one..?
[09:19] <TPC> that it won't break anything
[09:19] <mig`> that was quick in copying
[09:19] <gavin> for firefox
[09:19] <mig`> now let me umount this drive
[09:19] <Raskall> gaaaaawd, I've missed ubuntu. Reinstalled fedora on a smaller partition and installed ubuntu for home use today..
[09:19] <Kvark> reka, yeah, there it doesn't say which is best between the kernel and x server versions
[09:19] <Seveas> gavin, it's not a config file
[09:19] <Seveas> just open firefox
[09:19] <Raskall> Ubuntu is beautiful on a Dell latitude D810.
[09:19] <reka> Kvark: well, do you know how to do either?
[09:19] <Seveas> and go to the page about:config
[09:19] <nuttychicken> thanks for all the help
[09:19] <mig`> heh, i'm running the livecd on my ASUS M3Np
[09:19] <mig`> looks GREAT
[09:19] <mig`> performs good as well
[09:20] <Seveas> search for vendorSub and change it
[09:20] <Kvark> reka: nope, just know how to use apt-get
[09:20] <james21> Hi guys, totally new to linux user here, trying to install Ubuntu, linux-386, linux-image-386, linux-image-2.6.10-5-386........ ?
[09:20] <gavin> can you tell me how to update it then?
[09:20] <mig`> that it won't break anything?... hmmm
[09:20] <Kvark> reka: and alien
[09:20] <Seveas> james21, linux-686 (intel) linux-k7 (amd)
[09:20] <reka> ahem, me too. :)
[09:20] <mig`> what's missing though?
[09:20] <reka> Kvark: i'd go with the x server one.  sounds easier to remove...i think
[09:20] <Seveas> gavin, just edit it, it's instant update :)
[09:20] <mig`> let me read up on it
[09:20] <gavin> edit what
[09:20] <james21> Ok Seveas but which one out of those 3?
[09:20] <nalioth> Seveas: you need to feed that to the python (ff fooolery)
[09:21] <james21> They all 386, lol.
[09:21] <Seveas> james21, linux-386 if you want 386
[09:21] <runedude_> eh, you guys know a graphical SCP Client for ubuntu Hoary?
[09:21] <chonny69> when i do the apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade, and i see the terminal message getting a new kernel, does that mean it's compiling it?
[09:21] <james21> Cool
[09:21] <james21> Ok then, thanks.
[09:21] <Seveas> nalioth, I did, but gavin did not understand the FAQ entry :)
[09:21] <chonny69> i just don't know when i should compile
[09:21] <Seveas> james21, that will infact install the others too (it's a chain of metapackages)
[09:21] <HappyFool> runedude_: i think nautilus might be able to do that
[09:22] <nalioth> Seveas: ah, F0C7
[09:22] <runedude_> HappyFool, k, ty
[09:22] <Seveas> chonny69, no, you never compile packages you get with apt-get
[09:22] <runedude_> chonny69,  you shouldnt need to compile the kernel
[09:22] <Seveas> nalioth, F0C7..?
[09:22] <x[x] > woop! for easy install of unbuntu
[09:22] <james21> cool
[09:22] <Kvark> reka, thanks for talking it through with me
[09:22] <x[x] > guys got a Question about the hardrive for ubuntu
[09:22] <HappyFool> runedude_: Places -> Connect to server, choose 'Service type' ssh
[09:22] <chonny69> oooh... thanks, very helpful
[09:22] <x[x] > where do u find out the sixe?
[09:22] <x[x] > size*?
[09:22] <james21> "Retrieving and installing"
[09:22] <runedude_> ok, thanks
[09:22] <nalioth> Seveas: i've been PM'g you all morning (locally) long
[09:22] <reka> Kvark: sorry i'm not more knowledgeable :)
[09:22] <Seveas> nalioth, ahhh sorry, I was on PM ignore...
[09:22] <mig`> one of the things i've always loved about linux
[09:23] <Seveas> (was AFK most of the time)
[09:23] <mig`> is the speed of what it does, specially when done from terminal
[09:23] <skel_> uhh
[09:23] <TPC> what do I need to install to make sftp:// work in gnomes file manager?
[09:23] <skel_> what some good reposiutories
[09:23] <skel_> got a url for them
[09:23] <Seveas> TPC, nothing...
[09:23] <mig`> on linux i would reach 700KB/s uploads, where in windows I wouldn't get past 400KB/s
[09:23] <TPC> Seveas, but it doesn't work
[09:23] <skel_> tahst i can add to my sources list?
[09:23] <nalioth> Seveas: so are the PMs there or did they all go to /dev/null?
[09:23] <Seveas> TPC, what's the error
[09:23] <Seveas> nalioth, /dev/null i'm afraid
[09:23] <nalioths_dog> skel_: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[09:24] <TPC> Seveas, I don't remember, it was a few hours ago that I tried it. let me try again
[09:24] <nalioth> Seveas: ya still on pm-ignore?
[09:24] <Seveas> nalioth, nope
[09:24] <skel_> nalioths_dog,  paste that were?
[09:24] <skel_> in my sources list?
[09:24] <TPC> Seveas, hm.. it worked now
[09:24] <TPC> strange
[09:24] <Seveas> TPC, lol :)
[09:24] <Seveas> hickup in the internet ;)
[09:24] <Kvark> euh, i got source code and a .diff patch, what should I do with the diff thingy?
[09:24] <nuttychicken> this may sound stupid but what is a good mp3 player for linux?
[09:24] <nalioths_dog> skel_: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:25] <mig`> nuttychicken, for console? mpg123 is good
[09:25] <mig`> for gui, many people prefer xmms
[09:25] <Seveas> nuttychicken, beep-media-player
[09:25] <reka> or beep-media-player
[09:25] <nuttychicken> xmms won't play my mp3s
[09:25] <Seveas> b-m-p is xmms but better :)
[09:25] <skel_> thank u very much nalioths_dog
[09:25] <Seveas> nuttychicken: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[09:25] <reka> nuttychicken: change the output plugin to esound
[09:25] <Kvark> xine, or totem-xine (not totem witout xine) are other options for gui
[09:26] <chonny69> nuttychicken
[09:26] <reka> damnit
[09:26] <chonny69> i had the same problem
[09:26] <TPC> nuttychicken, xmms plays mp3s, you need a codec
[09:26] <chonny69> it could be an alsa or els thing too
[09:26] <Kvark> anyone know how to use a .diff file?
[09:26] <reka> TPC: it comes with it's own
[09:26] <TPC> oh
[09:26] <TPC> nuttychicken, ignore what I said then :)
[09:26] <runedude_> nuttychicken,  yes, i use xmms for mp3s, it will play mp3s.. make sure you have the correct codec
[09:27] <mig`> hmm
[09:27] <nuttychicken> i like xmms , but hwere can i get the codec?
[09:27] <reka> nuttychicken: : it comes with it's own
[09:27] <mig`> i wonder if i can install ubuntu on a usb hdd
[09:27] <Seveas> nuttychicken: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[09:27] <mig`> and run it from the usb hdd
[09:27] <mig`> what do you guys think?
[09:27] <Seveas> you need no codecs
[09:27] <Seveas> mig`, that's possible
[09:27] <mig`> because i don't have space to put another physical drive in the machine, and windows is where i make money
[09:27] <nuttychicken> ok output plugin to esound....thanks
[09:28] <Kvark> to get codecs: sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[09:28] <aeolist> you like xmms?
[09:28] <aeolist> xmmm
[09:28] <reka> Kvark: those are video codecs iirc
[09:28] <Raskall> is there a known problem about flashplayer in ubuntu? text does not show in flash thingys on any of the ubuntu-machines I have installed it on.
[09:28] <TPC> mig`, that would work and be really cool because you can use your install with multiple computers
[09:28] <nuttychicken> yea i'm a transfering windows user
[09:28] <Kvark> oh, not both? :(
[09:28] <dao> wowie... artwiz is a bitch on this distro :S
[09:28] <mig`> hmm ok, then i think i will give it a try (installing on a usb2 hdd)
[09:28] <TPC> mig`, but only if your bios supports it
[09:28] <TPC> mig`, booting from usb I mean
[09:28] <mig`> tpc - yeah, thats another thing
[09:28] <reka> Kvark: actually, i'm not certain now. :)
[09:28] <Seveas> nuttychicken, good luck in the healing process, it may be rough at times, but you'll love it ;))
[09:28] <chonny69> nuttychicken: try messing around with the multimedia systems selector on sound output
[09:28] <mig`> i am thinking of install it on this mobile 60gb hdd i have
[09:29] <mig`> (its actually where i'm copying the files to now)
[09:29] <mig`> the one i just formatted to fat32
[09:29] <chonny69> i use alsa, and that made xmms work for me, but i can't share sound with another app
[09:29] <Seveas> TPC, you can still install grub on the hard drive and Ubuntu on the USB one iirc
[09:29] <jtan325> in ubuntu, how do you manage "file associations"? i.e. i want .bittorrent files to open with azureus by default
[09:29] <Seveas> so you don't need to boot from USB
[09:29] <nuttychicken> i'm liking it alot more than windows no more bluescreen...*cringe*
[09:29] <x[x] > guys where do i find the hard drive size in ubuntu .. i just installed it like an hr ago and when i go to what i THINK is the system folder to check the hard drive size it says "..."
[09:29] <mig`> hmm
[09:29] <Seveas> jtan325, rightclick on a .torrent file and go to options
[09:29] <Seveas> jtan325, "Open with" tab there
[09:30] <mig`> x[x] : there is the device manager in ubuntu
[09:30] <Seveas> x[x] , df -h (in the terminal)
[09:30] <mig`> try that, it will enumerate the system devices for ya
[09:30] <jtan325> x[x] : you can click on "file system" from "computer" in "places"
[09:30] <mig`> heh, that too
[09:30] <x[x] > hmm
[09:30] <x[x] > ok
[09:30] <reka> chonny69: multiple sounds: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26567
[09:30] <mig`> i tried making a live usb key about a year back
[09:31] <mig`> that failed miserably ;)
[09:31] <x[x] > yeah
[09:31] <x[x] > i did that
[09:31] <x[x] > u right click file system go to properties right?
[09:31] <x[x] > and look at size?
[09:31] <jtan325> nah, double click on filesystem
[09:31] <psycho`jkl> Hello all, I have just started up the Ubuntu AMD64 LIVE CD, and I am wondering how to set up an SSH session so a friend to connect
[09:31] <jtan325> and then at the bottom it should tell you
[09:31] <x[x] > shit
[09:32] <nalioth> psycho`jkl: your friend wants to connect to YOU?
[09:32] <nuttychicken> ok i hate to be a pain but ubuntu uses nautilus(sorry can't spell) i'm not to fond of it, anyone know of something better and how i would change it?
[09:32] <jtan325> psycho`jkl: you can do this through "connect to server" under "places"
[09:32] <x[x] > i would of thought any form of linux would of recognized the full size of the hd
[09:32] <psycho`jkl> yes, he wants to connect to my machine
[09:32] <Seveas> psycho`jkl, apt-get install openssh-server (it'll install into memory, so you'll have to do it all the time)
[09:32] <mig`> ok, well thanks for the help everyone
[09:32] <mig`> appreciate it
[09:32] <mig`> i'll be around
[09:33] <psycho`jkl> well... do you know if he can isntall an amd64 distro, with a 32 bit live cd?
[09:33] <Seveas> x[x] , just use df -h in a terminal it's the easiest option
[09:33] <x[x] > pl
[09:33] <Seveas> psycho`jkl, no
[09:33] <samy-ubuntu_part> lut
[09:33] <x[x] > this is my first time using linux dude
[09:33] <reka> nuttychicken: i'm sure you could install any file manager you want.
[09:33] <x[x] > pl* = ok
[09:33] <nalioth> nuttychicken: use kubuntu
[09:33] <Seveas> x[x] , welcome aboard :)
[09:33] <chonny69> reka:  thanks
[09:33] <x[x] > lol thanks
[09:34] <runedude_> HappyFool, No.. Nautilius didnt work to use SCP.
[09:34] <nuttychicken> any idea how i would install a biffrent file manager?? linux newbie sory
[09:34] <Seveas> runedude_, hmm, works fine here, what's the error..?
[09:34] <x[x] > i opened a terminal and typed df-h?
[09:34] <keir> anyone get quake2 to work on ubuntu?
[09:34] <jtan325> Seveas: is there no "central file association management" tool like there is in windows?
[09:34] <Seveas> nuttychicken, use the package manager (system -> admin -> synaptic)
[09:34] <runedude_> Seveas, Cannot display location 'address.....' Details: THere is no default action associated withi this location.
[09:34] <Seveas> jtan325, there is
[09:35] <psycho`jkl> do i start the ssh with sshd?
[09:35] <psycho`jkl> if so. how do i setup the password
[09:35] <gavin> how do i update firefox?
[09:35] <keir> Seveas, i discovered my problem with sata-- i had compiled in SATA to the kernel, but had the entire SCSI subsystem as a module. oops.
[09:35] <Seveas> keir, hehe :)
[09:35] <gavin> please help
[09:35] <jtan325> Seveas: then what's the tool, if you know?
[09:35] <nalioth> psycho`jkl: if you are using the livecd, you cant run a sshd
[09:35] <Seveas> gavin, i told you twice already
[09:35] <sean_> how can i remove the gnome titlebar  and border?
[09:35] <Seveas> gavin: Open firefox and in about:config set general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4
[09:35] <psycho`jkl> what?
[09:35] <Seveas> jtan325, i'm searching for it, hang on :)_
[09:35] <reka> Seveas: heh
[09:36] <dao> this distro is wierD! lol
[09:36] <psycho`jkl> its dumb
[09:36] <dao> anyway to get rid of graphical login?
[09:36] <nalioth> psycho`jkl: to my knowledge, openssh-server is not on the liveCDs
[09:36] <dao> i'd like command line
[09:36] <psycho`jkl> no it isnt
[09:36] <psycho`jkl> but i just apt-get
[09:36] <keir> dao: try apt-get install rcconf
[09:36] <Seveas> psycho`jkl, apt-get starts it for you
[09:36] <keir> dao, then rcconf and disable 'gdm'
[09:36] <nalioth> psycho`jkl: i don't think apt-get works on the livecd
[09:36] <dao> k
[09:36] <Seveas> nalioth, it does
[09:36] <dao> sounds good
[09:36] <Seveas> it installs into memory
[09:36] <psycho`jkl> looks like it worked
[09:36] <nalioth> Seveas: wow
[09:36] <dao> cuz i need to kill x right now to refresh some font stuff i added
[09:37] <nalioth> hope users have lots of ram
[09:37] <mebaran151> anyone have a solution
[09:37] <runedude_> What is the Gnome CD  Recorder?
[09:37] <runedude_> baker something?
[09:37] <mebaran151> for a remote filesystem
[09:37] <mpm> gnomebaker
[09:37] <runedude_> Ty.
[09:37] <mebaran151> that I can only ftp and ssh to
[09:37] <psycho`jkl> i still need a password for the ssh tho. . . so he can log in
[09:37] <mebaran151> I would like to be able to mount the directory
[09:38] <mebaran151> in like /mnt/ftp
[09:38] <Seveas> mebaran151, try LUFS
[09:38] <sean_> anyone know how to remove gnome title bars and borders?
[09:38] <mebaran151> and just directly open and save files to it
[09:38] <Seveas> or nautilus ssh:// paths
[09:38] <mebaran151> Seveas, does it need any special modules
[09:38] <Seveas> mebaran151, it's Userland so no kernel modules
[09:38] <mebaran151> how do you use it
[09:39] <Seveas> mebaran151, search google ;)
[09:39] <mebaran151> I dll'ed the utilities
[09:39] <GouramiGP> If I have a central machine on a network with various user folders that I only want the specific user to have permission to, must I create an accout for every user that has a folder ?
[09:39] <psycho`jkl> ok, i have ssh setup and working with a password on amd64 live cd
[09:39] <psycho`jkl> thanks for the help S
[09:39] <gavin> seveas, thanks
[09:39] <psycho`jkl> sevas*
[09:40] <Seveas> jtan325, I can't find it :S
[09:40] <Zyzznder> when i was installing the ubuntu it show me some error like faild to install  the grub and other thing's cvr/bar/ (or something like that)
[09:41] <Seveas> i though it was stored somewhere in gconf
[09:41] <jtan325> Seveas: oh well, this method will do
[09:41] <AnguS> hello! i have some troble with mailman, i keep getting these errors and don't understand where the problem is: /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py:175: DeprecationWarning: get_type() deprecated; use get_content_type()
[09:41] <AnguS>   ctype = part.get_type(part.get_default_type())
[09:41] <Seveas> GouramiGP, either that or use PureFTPD with virtual users
[09:41] <jtan325> Seveas: another thing though, what's the best method for writing to ntfs with as little risk as possible
[09:41] <AnguS> any ideas?
[09:41] <Seveas> AnguS, #mailman
[09:41] <Seveas> It's waaaay off topic for here :)
[09:42] <AnguS> sooorry
[09:42] <runedude_> Wow. Impressive. I am very happy that ubuntu detected my cdwriter/dvdwriter instantly. Thanks guys, keep up the good work ^^
[09:42] <AnguS> i pasted in the wrong channel hehe ioepened mailman
[09:42] <Seveas> jtan325, captive NTFS
[09:42] <GouramiGP> Seveas what type of user would I create if I only wanted file access read and write to that folder ?
[09:42] <Seveas> jtan325, I spotted packages for it once
[09:42] <jtan325> yeah, i actually used that once when i was using mandrake
[09:43] <nalioth> jtan325: use windows NT, 2000 or XP for minimal risk writing to NTFS
[09:43] <Seveas> GouramiGP, if you don't mind that it's only FTP access, i'd go with pureftpd and virtual users
[09:43] <nalioth> GouramiGP: are you back causing trouble?
[09:43] <Seveas> nalioth, that is *exactly* what captive does :D
[09:43] <jtan325> nalioth: well, when i try to play a video file on an ntfs hard drive with VLC, it for some reason wants to write to the ntfs drive
[09:43] <mebaran151> is the lufs module precompiled with the kernel
[09:43] <nalioth> Seveas: i don't like the idea of a windows library in/near my linux kernel
[09:43] <GouramiGP> lol hello nalioth :)
[09:44] <Seveas> nalioth, me neitjer ;)
[09:44] <Seveas> s/j/h/
[09:44] <_SWAT_> my Ubuntu doesn't recognize my primary IDE device on my secondary IDE channel (Pioneer DVD writer). Anyone got any ideas? (somehow disabling DMA worked, partially). Anyone got a 'permanent' solution? (I'm not the only one with this problem)
[09:44] <Zyzznder> Anyone?
[09:44] <GouramiGP> Seveas no i think ftp would confuse the users and they are on windows machines
[09:44] <Seveas> GouramiGP, ah, you want samba filesharing I guess?
[09:44] <denial> que pasa
[09:45] <denial> ?
[09:45] <denial> quit
[09:45] <GouramiGP> yes Seveas, preferably so I can just map a drive
[09:45] <_SWAT_> denial, english plz
[09:45] <Seveas> Zyzznder, we can't really help you without a more precise error...
[09:45] <mebaran151> ok
[09:45] <mebaran151> I research lufs
[09:45] <mebaran151> it looks pretty nice
[09:45] <Zyzznder> another thing was a message that said " to burn the CD in a lower speed
[09:45] <mebaran151> but I dont want to compile a kernel from scratch
[09:45] <Seveas> GouramiGP, then you will have to create normal users indeed
[09:45] <mebaran151> it needs to have a module in the kernel to run
[09:46] <mebaran151> is this module included in the current ubuntu stock kernel
[09:46] <GouramiGP> ok thanks Seveas
[09:46] <sean_> is there a way to browse windows partitions as a user?
[09:47] <sean_> when i mount them i can only view as root
[09:47] <Seveas> sean_, you need to add certain options to the fstab line
[09:47] <DodGeR_X> add them to fstab as user,ro maybe ?
[09:47] <sean_> i put in user
[09:47] <Seveas> sean_, add umask=0000
[09:47] <sean_> ok
[09:47] <sean_> and can u write to ntfs?
[09:47] <Seveas> no(t easily)
[09:48] <sean_> ok
[09:48] <_SWAT_> wouldn't recommend it, but it's possible
[09:48] <_SWAT_> big chance you'll have data loss
[09:48] <GouramiGP> Seveas sorry one more Q, presumably the best place to store their folders would be under their home directory
[09:48] <Seveas> GouramiGP, yes indeed
[09:48] <Zyzznder> Seveas, does that tell you something?
[09:48] <gavin> how do i play a dvd
[09:48] <Seveas> you can simply share these home directories :)
[09:48] <GouramiGP> k
[09:48] <Seveas> gavin: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[09:49] <mrpickles> how do i change the plash screen in ubuntu ?
[09:49] <jtan325> how do i change my system to use alsa? currently my speakers sound like crap when they play any music :-(
[09:49] <Seveas> mrpickles, which one, the one you get during login..?
[09:49] <mrpickles> the splash screen after I login
[09:49] <Seveas> mrpickles: To change the Ubuntu splash screen, open the gconf-editor and change the key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash-image
[09:50] <Seveas> jtan325, disable ESD and configure all applications to use alsa :)
[09:50] <Seveas> system -> prefs -> sound "Enable sound server startup" <-- for the first part of that
[09:50] <Vjaz> Is there any alternative kernel package that's more minimal than the standard package? I want a kernel with the serial driver modularised, but I have trouble compiling my own because of udev, hotplug and folks.
[09:51] <Raskall> is it my imagination, or is ubuntu actually a lot faster to use than Fedora Core 4? I have dualboot between the two and ubuntu is superior to fedora performance-wise.
[09:51] <_0kills> hello
[09:51] <Seveas> Raskall, that is not your imagination
[09:52] <mebaran151> so is the lufs module prebuilt?
[09:52] <mebaran151> anybody know
[09:53] <jtan325> Seveas: i.e. i configured beep to use the alsa 0.9.7 output plugin, but it still sounds pretty bad
[09:53] <jtan325> Seveas: and the "enable ..." option was already checked
[09:54] <Seveas> you need to uncheck it ;)
[09:54] <Seveas> checking it enables esd
[09:54] <Raskall> Seveas: strange, really. both runs gnome 2.10, marginally different kernels and on the exact same hardware.
[09:54] <jtan325> Seveas: OHHHHHHHH
[09:55] <Evans> hello
[09:55] <aldo> aldef222hotmail.com
[09:55] <aldo> hello
[09:56] <GouramiGP> hello evans, any luck ?
[09:56] <sean_> grr, still cant access windows partition, it belongs to, root
[09:56] <jtan325> Seveas: it still doesn't sound as good as when i play it in windows... under beep, do i need to do anything under the "preferences" for "ALSA 0.9.7 output plugin"?
[09:56] <sean_> and it wont let me change it because the disk is read only
[09:56] <jtan325> Seveas: or do i need to reboot or something
[09:57] <Seveas> sean_, simply remove it from fstab and...
[09:57] <Seveas> sean: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/windows_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[09:57] <Evans> goruami: no
[09:57] <Evans> i tried reinstalling
[09:57] <Evans> the drivers...
[09:57] <Evans> it says modem
[09:57] <Seveas> jtan325, ENOIDEA, I sticked to esd...
[09:57] <Evans> not repsnngi
[09:57] <Evans> responding i do an eagle stat
[09:57] <Evans> ...
[09:58] <gero|fool> how to open the sources.list?
[09:58] <jtan325> Seveas: but then doesn't your music sound crappier?
[09:58] <Seveas> not really
[09:58] <GouramiGP> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources/list gero|fool
[09:58] <GouramiGP> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list gero|fool
[09:59] <GouramiGP> evans did you check the url I pasted
[09:59] <Evans> yea
[09:59] <Evans> i asked rebell to...
[09:59] <Evans> he told me to type Startadsl
[09:59] <Evans> which i did
[09:59] <Evans> ...
[09:59] <gero|fool> thx
[09:59] <GouramiGP> bummer
[10:01] <Evans> i know
[10:01] <Evans> hello JsShanoon
[10:01] <Evans> may i ask is there an Op.Admin in here
[10:02] <Seveas> op.admin..?
[10:02] <Seveas> you mean channel op?
[10:02] <Evans> yeah
[10:02] <jtan325> so i still don't really understand this process of mounting and unmounting a device
[10:03] <Evans> oh lol...
[10:03] <Seveas> hi :)
[10:03] <TPC> Evans, /msg chanserv access #ubuntu list
[10:03] <jtan325> it seems like anything that's mounted will appear in /etc/fstab
[10:03] <jtan325> and you have to use the "mount command" or something?
[10:03] <Evans> thanks
[10:03] <Evans> Seveas
[10:03] <Evans> may i suggest a faster network and free
[10:03] <jtan325> and then for some reason, it's very important to unmount drives and stuff before shutdown
[10:04] <jtan325> can anyone explain this in a quick sentence or two? i'd really appreciate it
[10:04] <Seveas> Evans, of course you may suggest, but Ubuntu will most likely stay on freenode
[10:04] <Evans> irc.darkfuture.org
[10:04] <Seveas> jtan325, unmounting flushes all drive caches
[10:04] <Evans> very very very fast
[10:04] <rasputnik> jtan325: you're confusing fstab and mtab
[10:04] <Seveas> so the state is stable
[10:05] <rasputnik> jtan325: a mount maps a disk or devices filesystem in the toplevel filesystem
[10:05] <jtan325> ok
[10:05] <rasputnik> s/in/into/
[10:06] <rasputnik> so 'mount /dev/cdrom /foo' says 'make the files in /dev/cdrom appear under /foo'
[10:06] <LeaChim> i have just tried to mount my home partition on an sata drive
[10:06] <runedude_> checking whether the C++ compiler (gcc  ) works... no
[10:06] <runedude_> configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler cannot create executables.
[10:06] <rasputnik> on ubuntu a lot of mount operations are done for you by a little daemon called udev
[10:06] <runedude_> ^^ what package fixes that?
[10:06] <LeaChim> /dev/sda3 to be precise
[10:07] <LeaChim> however, it seems to take slightly too long starting up
[10:07] <LeaChim> so the mount fails, and i have to mount it manually
[10:07] <Evans> Seveas that server us better#
[10:07] <jtan325> rasputnik: where is this "udev"?
[10:07] <jtan325> "ubuntu device manager?"
[10:07] <LeaChim> so any ideas on how to delay the mount?
[10:07] <jtan325> rasputnik: or i mean, "ubuntu device database"?
[10:08] <rasputnik> jtan325: man udev
[10:08] <Will__> LeaChim: Is it in /etc/fstab ? You could comment it out
[10:08] <LeaChim> Will__, but it's the home partition - i don't want to manually mount it every single timei boot
[10:09] <Seveas> Evans, but ubuntu has quite strong binding with freenode
[10:09] <rasputnik> LeaChim: anything in /var/log/messages you could google
[10:09] <frozsyn> hello
[10:09] <rasputnik> ?
[10:09] <frozsyn> i have a laptop with a linux system installed
[10:09] <Evans> ok seaves just suggested anyway
[10:09] <frozsyn> i want to know if unbuntu can be installed on another partition using my installed linux system
[10:09] <frozsyn> ?
[10:10] <Seveas> evans: --- Looking up irc.darkfuture.org..
[10:10] <Seveas> --- Unknown host. Maybe you misspelled it?
[10:10] <Seveas> very fast indeed :)
[10:10] <LeaChim> rasputnik, it mounts fine - after i wait for the device to start up
[10:10] <jasoncohen> i can't view movie trailers on yahoo.com as it complains i don't have windows media player or quicktime installed. I have w32codecs, xine, mplayer, and kaffeine installed and i'm using the kaffeine-mozilla plugin. the same setup works fine on debian. what's going on?
[10:11] <chaps0063> how do I get version 1.0.4 of mozilla-firefox installed, apt-get install mozilla-firefox only gives me version 1.0.2?
[10:11] <rasputnik> LeaChim: just wondered if there's a mount option you can use. sda makes me think the scsi subsystem is involved somewhere, and scsi buses can need a few seconds to 'settle'
[10:11] <jasoncohen> chaps0063, ubuntu's 1.0.2 has the security fixes from 1.0.4 backported. if you want to use 1.0.4 anyways you can use backports
[10:11] <pinky> dsdf
[10:11] <pinky> sd
[10:11] <Seveas> chaps0063, that one actually has all 1.0.4 security paches applied
[10:12] <chaps0063> hmm...I didn't know that.  Nevermind then.
[10:12] <jasoncohen> can anyone here play yahoo.com movie trailers in firefox?
[10:12] <Seveas> you do not need (and really shouldn't) use the backports version
[10:12] <jasoncohen> Seveas, why not?
[10:12] <Evans> irc.dark-future.org
[10:12] <lsuactiafner> ubuntu version of firefox doesnt allow middle button paste..
[10:12] <lsuactiafner> thats annoyin
[10:12] <Evans> irc.dark-future.org try this
[10:12] <chaps0063> Seveas, so then how would I go about installing version 1.0.4?
[10:12] <TPC> lsuactiafner, works for me
[10:12] <pinky> stop ot
[10:12] <pinky> *ot
[10:12] <pinky> *it
[10:12] <rasputnik> lsuactiafner: I think you'll find that the X protocol :)
[10:12] <pinky> im the real pinky
[10:12] <jasoncohen> chaps0063, add a backports source, run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[10:12] <pinky> not some fake cunt
[10:13] <lsuactiafner> chaps0063 : run a chroot which has a glibc firefox 1.0.4 compatible version
[10:13] <concept10> jason, you need to install mozilla-mplayer
[10:13] <lsuactiafner> rasputnik : it not related to firefox?
[10:13] <concept10> jasoncohen, mozilla-mplayer
[10:13] <jasoncohen> concept10, no- i use kaffeine-mozilla on debian
[10:13] <rasputnik> lsuactiafner: no, middle button paste is part of all X programs
[10:13] <jasoncohen> and it should work in ubuntu
[10:13] <pinky_> stop
[10:13] <jasoncohen> i prefer kaffeine's plugin
[10:14] <randabis> anyone have a moment?
[10:14] <lsuactiafner> yeh but firefox doesnt accept it, if its a url bein pasted onto firefox then it should link there
[10:14] <randabis> I can't get java working in firefox for some odd reason
[10:14] <randabis> I followed the instructions on ubuntuguide.org and it still does not work :/
[10:14] <jasoncohen> randabis, did you enable java?
[10:14] <chaps0063> is there anyway i can get apache preconfigured with php/mysql support?
[10:14] <randabis> yes
[10:14] <pinky> pinky_: sucker !
[10:15] <randabis> jasoncohen: java works. I can run azureus just fine for example
[10:15] <jasoncohen> preferences > web features
[10:15] <Seveas> chaps0063, of course :)
[10:15] <jasoncohen> randabis, no- i mean in firefox
[10:15] <pinky_> why are you called pinky then?
[10:15] <randabis> jasoncohen: yes
[10:15] <chaps0063> Seveas, how do I go about that?
[10:15] <Seveas> chaps0063, aptitude instapp libapache2-mod-php4 php4-mysql
[10:15] <concept10> jasoncohen, kaffeine-mizilla
[10:15] <Seveas> (and mysql-server too perhaps)
[10:15] <pinky_> answer fool
[10:15] <jasoncohen> concept10, yeah, it's installed
[10:15] <rasputnik> lsuactiafner: it works here (I mean I can paste into the location bar). do you mean onto the shortcut or something?
[10:15] <concept10> jasoncohen, did you restart browswer after install?
[10:15] <randabis> jasoncohen: yes, java is enabled in firefox
[10:16] <jasoncohen> concept10, yes- apparently, yahoo only sees windows media player & quicktime with mozilla-mplayer installed
[10:16] <randabis> it says the plugin is missing, but I know the plugin is in there..I checked /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[10:16] <concept10> jasoncohen, well install that
[10:16] <LeaChim> rasputnik, i can't find any sort of delayed mount option. if i changed it to noauto, where could i put a command to mount it on system boot?
[10:16] <tina_> hi all! scuse me, can somebody help me?  i have problems with my sound drivers, common users can't play sounds, but if i exceute for examble xmms trough root i have no problem
[10:17] <jasoncohen> concept10, ok- now it works
[10:17] <jasoncohen> concept10, i had to set it up with mozilla-mplayer and then uninstall mozilla-mplayer
[10:17] <tina_> the same happens with games llike quake
[10:17] <TPC> tina_, your user needs to be in the right group. its called sound or audio or something.
[10:17] <randabis> anyone have any ideas I could try to get java working in firefox?
[10:18] <rasputnik> LeaChim: it'd be something in fstab, but it'd be specific to the sata mount command, which I'm not familiar with
[10:18] <Evans> randabis: download Java
[10:18] <Seveas> randabis, maybe ln -s the plugin...
[10:18] <chaps0063> what is the best way to install java?
[10:18] <Seveas> (if java is installed already that is)
[10:18] <Seveas> chaps0063: To install java on Ubuntu: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, sudo aptitude install fakeroot java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , sudo dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[10:18] <LeaChim> rasputnik, there doeosn't seem to be any sort of delay option though - i'm thinking if i stopped it mounting by useing noauto, and then mounted it using a script later on in the boot process?
[10:19] <pinky_> root@pink-panther:/home/pinky # sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[10:19] <pinky_> Reading package lists... Done
[10:19] <pinky_> Building dependency tree... Done
[10:19] <pinky_> E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[10:19] <odie5533> anyone know why when I open doc files in AbiWord, some of the words are missing?
[10:19] <pinky_> anyone help me :(
[10:19] <jasoncohen> concept10, i guess in debian i first used mozilla-mplayer so it was already setup in yahoo.
[10:19] <rasputnik> LeaChim: yeah, see what you're saying - does ubuntu have something like rc.local?
[10:19] <synd> odie5533: abiword is finiky
[10:19] <Seveas> pinky_, do NOT paste in here
[10:19] <DodGeR_X> Seveas, it seems one cannot make-jpkg on the new jdk1.5.04 (which is the latest jdk)
[10:19] <jasoncohen> i just checked on debian. w/o mozilla-mplayer installed, it only sees realplayer
[10:19] <odie5533> synd: So the only alternative is OO.o?
[10:19] <DodGeR_X> not sure what version the make-jpkg works for
[10:19] <synd> odie5533: have you tried OpenOffice?
[10:19] <sean_> is there a way i can resize my ubuntu partition to take up my whole hd?
[10:19] <randabis> Evans: dude, I'm not stupid. I have java and it works. It works in konqueror and azureus
[10:19] <Seveas> pinky_, and enable universe/multiverse
[10:19] <rasputnik> LeaChim: just feel there should be a neater way...
[10:19] <randabis> java just won't work in firefox
[10:20] <odie5533> Open Office is slow... low ram machine needs to edit ms doc files =/
[10:20] <LeaChim> rasputnik, yes, but i can't seem to find anything.... :(
[10:20] <Seveas> randabis, probably a symlink is missing
[10:20] <pinky_> how do I enable ?
[10:20] <pinky_> and why cant I paste :/
[10:20] <Seveas> pinky_: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:20] <Seveas> pinky_: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[10:20] <pinky_> I did that :x
[10:20] <synd> odie5533: what kind of machine are you on
[10:20] <Seveas> pinky_, because it is disturbing
[10:20] <pinky_> ?
[10:20] <randabis> Seveas: possibly..I'll investigate, but it looks like the links are there
[10:20] <odie5533> emachine
[10:20] <odie5533> its like 6 years old
[10:20] <synd>  odie5533: i mean specs
[10:20] <Seveas> randabis, check for a link to libjavaplugin-oji.so
[10:20] <jasoncohen> #ubuntu needs a bot like dpkg in #debian to answer these questions
[10:20] <jasoncohen> dpkg is great
[10:21] <odie5533> cpu is like 1gHz and 3xx mb RAM
[10:21] <Seveas> ubotu is a bot
[10:21] <ubotu> Seveas: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[10:21] <chaps0063> Seveas, make-jpkg not found
[10:21] <Seveas> ubotu, shut up!
[10:21] <ubotu> Seveas: Are you smoking crack?
[10:21] <concept10> pinky_, did you do a apt-get upgrade?
[10:21] <synd> !synd
[10:21] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, synd is a badass
[10:21] <Seveas> chaps0063, enable multiverse
[10:21] <synd> :>
[10:21] <Seveas> rofl
[10:21] <pinky_> yeas
[10:21] <sean_> is there a way i can resize my ubuntu partition to take up my whole hd?
[10:22] <chaps0063> not a shell builtin
[10:22] <tina_> TPC: i have tried with kuser but i have problems because the applicaTION CRUSHED,
[10:22] <synd> odie5533: open office should do fine on that once its up and running
[10:22] <tina_> TPC: how can i add the user to the audio group throough konsole?
[10:22] <synd> odie5533: i run it on a pentium III 650Mhz, 128MB
[10:22] <Seveas> tina_, adduser USERNAME audio
[10:22] <odie5533> synd: the other problem I am having (well, my family is having... I never had it) is that the computer closes firefox and just leaves them at the desktop
[10:22] <concept10> sean_, what is on the other partitions(s)
[10:23] <Evans> i getting a new PC i blew my other one up lol...
[10:23] <sean_> windows ntfs
[10:23] <sean_> im going to erase it
[10:23] <odie5533> I have never had it happen to me, so thats all the info I have. I checked mem usage, we have over 100mb free at the time of the "crash"
[10:23] <chaps0063> Seveas, enable multiverse = "not a shell builtin"
[10:23] <odie5533> snyd: what desktop manager do you use?
[10:23] <Seveas> chaps0063: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:23] <concept10> sean_, use qtparted
[10:23] <synd> odie5533: the computer closes firefox and just leaves what on the desktop?
[10:23] <Seveas> chaps0063: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[10:24] <synd> odie5533: XFCE
[10:24] <sean_> concept10, ok ty
[10:24] <odie5533> synd: leaves whatever was on on the desktop. It just takes them to it is all
[10:24] <odie5533> synd: what login manager do you use?
[10:24] <synd> odie5533: login manager? the regular ubuntu one
[10:25] <randabis> Seveas: I think that might have been the problem. :)
[10:25] <odie5533> not boot loader, login manager
[10:25] <tina_> TPC: should i login again with the user if i want that the changes have effect?
[10:25] <chaps0063> Seveas, added those...
[10:25] <TPC> tina_, yes
[10:25] <concept10> gosh QT apps look horrible under gnome
[10:25] <tina_> ok, i will try, thanks a lot for all
[10:25] <sensayshun> Whenever I type sudo apt-get install gdesklets it starts to work before saying E: Couldn't find package gdesklets
[10:25] <tina_> bye
[10:25] <synd> odie5533: yes, the regular ubuntu login manager
[10:26] <sensayshun> can anyone help?
[10:26] <Seveas> concept10, you could have skipped the last 2 words of that line :)
[10:26] <odie5533> synd: how do I install that?
[10:26] <Seveas> sensayshun, enable universe
[10:26] <synd> odie5533: install what?
[10:26] <synd> odie5533: OFCE?
[10:26] <concept10> heh.
[10:26] <synd> XFCE*
[10:26] <odie5533> synd: the regular ubuntu login manager
[10:26] <sensayshun> Seveas, Lost me there :P Where can I go about enabling universe?
[10:26] <shamus> i'm trying to set up a dual boot system, and my mobo only has 2 ide slots which are being used, so my second harddrive is going to have to be slave, but i only have a jumper for one drive, anything i can do?
[10:26] <Se7h> i forgot the dev package to compile gcc stuff
[10:26] <Se7h> :|
[10:26] <Seveas> sensayshun: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:26] <Seveas> sensayshun: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[10:26] <synd> odie5533: it comes with the regular ubuntu installation?
[10:26] <odie5533> synd: mine loads with kdm always
[10:27] <synd> odie5533: KDE?
[10:27] <odie5533> synd: kdm
[10:27] <odie5533> synd: kdm to kde then
[10:27] <sensayshun> Seveas: thanks
[10:27] <synd> whats KDM?
[10:27] <odie5533> synd: you dont use like WDM
[10:28] <Vjaz> synd, KDE Display Manager. It's what you login to KDE from usually.
[10:28] <synd> youre gonna have to spell out these acronyms
[10:28] <concept10> shamus, just set one for master, one slave or if your motherboard has the feature, use cable select.  Also, consult the manufacturers site that makes your drive
[10:28] <odie5533> synd: how do you login to xfce, and what did you install to get all on your computer, such as server or normal install?
[10:28] <synd> Vjaz: ah. i figured it had to do with KDE
[10:28] <Vjaz> synd, Most software with a K in their name are KDE software. :-p
[10:28] <synd> odie5533: I did a regular Ubuntu Gnome installation.
[10:28] <Heimdall> hey all !!!
[10:28] <NoNiCkS> thauros, aeeeeeeeeee
[10:28] <odie5533> synd: ohh
[10:29] <thauros> aeee NoNiCkS
[10:29] <thauros> ;] 
[10:29] <synd> Vjaz: and did a simple apt-get install xfce4
[10:29] <chaps0063> Seveas, says no matching plugin was found, removing temporary directory: done, never makes a .deb package.
[10:29] <synd> odie5533: hard to believe you put such a bloated interface on that little 1ghz
[10:29] <Seveas> chaps0063, then you perhaps downloaded the .rpm.deb
[10:30] <Seveas> chaps0063, then you perhaps downloaded the .rpm.bin
[10:30] <odie5533> synd: I did it for my family, they wanted it, but xfce will have to do
[10:30] <Heimdall> hey I'm looking for a good msn-like for my ubuntu (except amsn which has problems) which one could you advise me ,?
[10:30] <synd> odie5533: i dont even like KDE on my Pentium 4's
[10:30] <Seveas> you need the regular .bin
[10:30] <LeaChim> Heimdall, gaim
[10:30] <Vjaz> 1Ghz is plenty. RAM is what makes a difference in the end.
[10:30] <Seveas> Heimdall, by default gaim is installed
[10:30] <LeaChim> Heimdall, applications, internet, gaim
[10:30] <odie5533> synd: I use gnome on my pc, amd 2600
[10:30] <chaps0063> Seveas, and that will do it?
[10:30] <Seveas> kopete (for KDE) seems to be good to
[10:30] <Seveas> chaps0063, yes, then you can use make-jpkg
[10:30] <Heimdall> yeah I know but gaim is not very good, for files for example
[10:30] <DodGeR_X> chaps0063,  u trying to get jdk installed ?
[10:30] <chaps0063> yes
[10:31] <odie5533> well, I am going to reboot, and reinstall ubuntu with XFCE4 only, thanks for the help, later
[10:31] <chaps0063> well just java
[10:31] <chaps0063> for mozilla
[10:31] <DodGeR_X> ahh
[10:31] <chaps0063> Seveas, seems to be working...
[10:31] <sensayshun> seveas, I've enabled universe, but I still get the same error message
[10:31] <DodGeR_X> which jdk did u download chaps0063?
[10:32] <Heimdall> a friend of mine told me about mercury do you know about it ?
[10:32] <chaps0063> 1.5.0.04
[10:32] <DodGeR_X> sweet , and jut the .bin ? and jpkg works ?
[10:32] <Seveas> sensayshun, try an apt-get update
[10:32] <DodGeR_X> jut = just
[10:32] <chaps0063> yea..
[10:32] <DodGeR_X> nice , thanks for info :)
[10:33] <NoNiCkS> Heimdall, the messenger mercury?
[10:33] <Heimdall> yes
[10:33] <Heimdall> www.mercury.to
[10:33] <NoNiCkS> i install here for a short time
[10:33] <Heimdall> and ?
[10:33] <sensayshun> seveas, yeah just found it in the ubuntu starter guide, doing it now
[10:33] <chaps0063> Seveas, thanks.
[10:34] <NoNiCkS> i have just 120 of ram
[10:34] <Heimdall> NoNiCkS ?
[10:35] <NoNiCkS> Heimdall, need more ram
[10:35] <yuacht> how do i resize pictures in the terminal? i wanna do it in the terminal, no gui
[10:35] <Heimdall> NoNiCkS,  oh... you're under ubuntu ?
[10:35] <NoNiCkS> and my can dosent work
[10:35] <NoNiCkS> Heimdall, yes
[10:35] <Seveas> yuacht, with mogrify
[10:35] <Heimdall> NoNiCkS,  where di you download it ? on the web site ?
[10:35] <Seveas> or resize
[10:35] <Seveas> yuacht, both part of the imagemagick package
[10:36] <NoNiCkS> Heimdall, a friend send me a package
[10:36] <yuacht> thx
[10:36] <NoNiCkS> to test
[10:36] <chaps0063> Seveas, thanks, got it working.
[10:37] <sensayshun> seveas, another one just sayiong thanks, got it working :D
[10:37] <NoNiCkS> Heimdall, if you want merury just to use the webcan you can uso de amsn
[10:37] <NoNiCkS> *use
[10:37] <Seveas> yw both :)
[10:37] <Heimdall> NoNiCkS, amsn has got problems with my computer, I don't know why sometimes it just freeze
[10:37] <DodGeR_X> im gonna download just the .bin (not the .rpm.bin) and im sure ill get it working too , in a bit
[10:37] <NoNiCkS> Heimdall, the same here
[10:38] <pinko> so... can anyone describe simply how to configure an ssh server?
[10:38] <NoNiCkS> Heimdall, this happens just in unbuntu..
[10:38] <pinko> I can already ssh to it from the network, but not from outside.
[10:38] <flodine> a guys i change my tv card from ati to hauppauge why wont it see it
[10:39] <Heimdall> NoNiCkS,  oh okay, I'm glad to see this is just for me :)
[10:39] <NoNiCkS> Heimdall, me to
[10:39] <echylo> hi
[10:39] <echylo> little problem
[10:39] <echylo> I just updated to breezy
[10:39] <echylo> and it keeps giving me error when starting X
[10:40] <frozsyn> i would like want to know if unbuntu can be installed on another partition using my installed linux system ?
[10:40] <pinko> heh.  good luck getting any help, echylo.
[10:40] <echylo> It gives me the error that .dmrc file has wrong permissions
[10:40] <echylo> but it has the right one's, even when I delete the file it says it's wrong
[10:40] <Will__> Could you paste your error into a pastebin? If you've not already googled it, we could help, possibly
[10:41] <echylo> I'm in irssi
[10:41] <echylo> I can't acces X for the moment
[10:41] <Will__> Yes you are
[10:41] <JHK> hi guys
[10:41] <Will__> use lynx? elinks?
[10:41] <flodine> guys got a new tv card how do i grt ubuntu to see it
[10:41] <echylo> hmm, wait how do you reconfigure a package?
[10:41] <Seveas> echylo, wget http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/pastebin && startx | ./pastebin
[10:42] <Seveas> spkg-reconfigure
[10:42] <Will__> Seveas: I'll write that one down
[10:42] <Seveas> dpkg-reconfigure
[10:42] <echylo> k
[10:42] <flodine> help a homeless man
[10:42] <JHK> does anyone know how to rename mounted harddisks from the "locations -> computer" menu?
[10:43] <TFK> Howdy guys, it seems that the default apt repositories that Synaptic gives me by default are a bit outdated (I'm particularly interesting in up-to-date clamav and cgoban), so I've been trying to find some kind of unsafe repository, but no luck.
[10:43] <TFK> Or are the repositories the same as Debian's?
[10:43] <rasputnik> TFK: have you enabled the universe repos?
[10:43] <TFK> Yes.
[10:43] <Seveas> TFK, maybe backports can help you
[10:44] <rasputnik> TFK: and the ones in http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[10:44] <TFK> What are backports?
[10:44] <TFK> Thanks, will check it out
[10:45] <Octane> has *ANYONE* here gotten WINE to work w/ an amd64
[10:46] <Seveas> Octane, impossible if you use the amd64 Ubuntu
[10:46] <chaps0063> has anyone gotten the fglrx drivers to work with an ATI Radeon 9600XT?
[10:46] <Octane> Seveas: youre kidding
[10:46] <Seveas> with the i386 ubuntu it might work
[10:46] <rasputnik> TFK: I got the impression that 'backport' referred to bleeding edge packages from cvs that were hacked to work with releases
[10:46] <Seveas> rasputnik, they are sort of
[10:46] <Seveas> they are packages originally measnt for breezy built in a Hoary environment
[10:46] <depi> Hi I can't unpause the song after pausing it when using the ALSA output in XMMS, anyone has this problem?
[10:47] <aeolist> stop using xmms
[10:47] <aeolist> it's evil
[10:47] <aeolist> gtk 1
[10:47] <Juhaz> gtk1 is ugly as hell but what does that have to do with evil?
[10:48] <djp> i like rhythmbox
[10:48] <aeolist> you think evil can be beautiful?
[10:48] <Seveas> yes it can
[10:48] <rasputnik> Seveas: and 'breezy' is like ubuntu-devel?
[10:48] <Seveas> rasputnik, sort of
[10:48] <aeolist> yes rasputnik
[10:49] <Seveas> highly unstable right now (but backports are OK)
[10:49] <echylo> how do you start gnome from command line?
[10:49] <rasputnik> aeolist: of course - like the princess in the buck rogers tv series
[10:49] <Seveas> echylo, invoke-rc.d gdm start
[10:49] <echylo> thx
[10:50] <echylo> hmm
[10:50] <echylo> failed
[10:50] <Seveas> startx then
[10:50] <Seveas> (that gives more info on the error)
[10:50] <lsuactiafner> rofl invoke.. rofl
[10:50] <lsuactiafner> a simple run wouldnt do.. invoke it man
[10:51] <echylo> Seveas: then I get a grey screen with a cross as mousepointer
[10:51] <rasputnik> yargh just enabled backports and multiverse, 'apt-get update' is pulling a *shitload* of new stuff down
[10:51] <echylo> Seveas: I think it tries to start xfce, which is uninstalled, can I configure it somewhere?
[10:51] <rasputnik> echylo: ctrl-alt-backspace will get you back to the command line.
[10:51] <echylo> I know :)
[10:52] <echylo> otherwise I wouldn't be typing in irssie :p
[10:52] <rasputnik> echylo: now edit ~/.xinitrc and add 'exec whatever'
[10:52] <echylo> and if the file doesn't exists?
[10:52] <echylo> just making an new ?
[10:53] <rasputnik> yes. gdm does'nt use it. 'exec gnome-session' will get you gnome
[10:53] <echylo> hmm why did I updated to breezy in the first place :s
[10:53] <echylo> cannot open display error
[10:53] <rasputnik> echylo: when?
[10:54] <echylo> when I do 'exec gnome-session"
[10:54] <rasputnik> echylo: no dude that needs to be in .xinitrc, then run startx
[10:54] <echylo> oh
[10:54] <echylo> ok
[10:54] <echylo> :s
[10:54] <rasputnik> see you should have taken the other pill
[10:54] <klaym> hey people, what's wrong with my VLC player. it gives me no sound on videos and gives me this error: oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp). it also gives me this: [mpeg4 @ 0x83f003c] looks like this file was encoded with (divx4/(old)xvid/opendivx) -> forcing low_delay flag
[10:55] <echylo> rasputnik: yup, cause I get the grey screen again :)
[10:56] <chaps0063> is anyone available to assist me in the installation of fglrx drivers for my ati radeon 9600xt?
[10:56] <aeolist> i am on a fresh ubuntu hoary installation
[10:56] <aeolist> and azureus asks for 75 mb of data wtf?
[10:56] <rasputnik> echylo: right, see if there's a new file in your home dir, sometimes X writes an error log. are you sure gnome is installed?
[10:56] <Seveas> klaym, let vlc use esd or disable esd
[10:56] <klaym> Seveas: how to ?
[10:57] <echylo> yes gnome is installed, it started it a couple of minutes a go, but now it doesn't
[10:57] <Seveas> klaym, check the vlc config :)
[10:57] <klaym> ok
[10:57] <echylo> rasputnik: errors with ICE, alot of errors in that genre
[10:57] <echylo> rasputnik: like cannot create /dev/X
[10:58] <rasputnik> echylo: wierd. But if you get the greyscreen and the X, that *is* X
[10:59] <littlefae> Hi people. :)
[10:59] <echylo> rasputnik: I have the feeling it doesn't use .xinitrc, but somewhere I think it refers to xfce
[10:59] <littlefae> Can someone enlighten me.  What is reiserfs, and whats the benefits?
[10:59] <linuxboy> littlefae: its a filesystem
[11:00] <DodGeR_X> echylo, u try restarting gdm ? ie kill all open X windows , then start gdm , and choose gnome session ?
[11:00] <bremac> >_>
[11:00] <echylo> DodGeR_X: yes :) then I have a brown screen ;)
[11:00] <echylo> doing nothing
[11:00] <vudeux> howdy...
[11:00] <littlefae> Is it true that it's 'faster than ext2'? :)
[11:00] <bremac> reiserfs information: www.namesys.com/
[11:00] <echylo> if I would have taken backups, I would format it now
[11:01] <vudeux> why is it that when I installed Apache 2 off of Synaptic, it made the conf files read only, and root as the owner? I can't do anything wiff the conf files
[11:01] <littlefae> Is it possible to convert ext2 to reiserfs, in an Ubuntu environment?
[11:01] <vudeux> any way around that?
[11:02] <chaps0063> how do i enable dma on a drive, and enable it on startup also
[11:02] <TFK> Woo! The backprots, thanks! But not for all packages, unfortunatelly. Any other big sources for the latest software for Ubuntu?
[11:02] <js_> chaps0063: use hdparm
[11:02] <TFK> *the backports worked
[11:02] <james21> Hi i am trying to set up Ubuntu but it won't let me type in the 'Enter a password for the new user' field ..
[11:02] <echylo> rasputnik: if I try to start gdm, it keeps giving me errors about that .dmrc file
[11:03] <chaps0063> js_, and that does it automatically on bootup?
[11:03] <linuxboy> littlefae: i think ext3 might be better... but I'm not too sure about reiserfs
[11:03] <Se7h> i forgot the dev package to compile gcc stuff. can anyone tell me bout it?
[11:03] <_SWAT_> I want to rename 100 files. I need to remove the first 3 chars. How do I do that fast?
[11:03] <pgidz> echylo what does it say in that file
[11:03] <lsuactiafner> how do i get this mouse workin :   idVendor 0x0458 KYE Systems Corp. (Mouse Systems) iManufacturer  1 Genius  iProduct 2 NetScroll+ Superior
[11:03] <echylo> rasputnik: it tells me it has wrong permissions(should be 644, and that it should be owned by user), it refers to the $HOME/.dmrc file, which is empty here, and has permission 644
[11:03] <lsuactiafner> anyone have any experience?
[11:04] <pgidz> echylo in that file put [Desktop]  then on a newline put Session=gnome
[11:05] <echylo> ok i'll try , thx
[11:05] <echylo> gnome or gnome-session?
[11:05] <pgidz> echylo just 'Session=gnome'
[11:06] <echylo> hmm
[11:07] <pgidz> echylo i think the permission should be 600
[11:07] <echylo> pgidz: now I keep getting: "the configuration file contains an invalid command line for the login dialog, so running the default command, please fix your configuration"
[11:07] <chaps0063> alright, got DVDs workin now..
[11:07] <james21> For some reason it wont let me type in the password field for new username, can i go back to the Ubuntu installer main menu & proceed with the next step ????
[11:07] <pgidz> echylo what permission have you set the file too
[11:08] <echylo> pgidz: first 644, now 600, same error
[11:08] <pgidz> echylo what have you got in that file now
[11:09] <cavediver> Hi guys. I get an annoying solid brown background for about 5 sec, while the gnome-splashscreen loads and before my desktop gets displayed. How can i remove or change the colour of this ?
[11:09] <umarmung> echylo: IMHO you need another line too, Exec=/usr/bin/gnome-session
[11:09] <echylo> in that .dmrc?
[11:09] <pgidz> echylo yes
[11:10] <echylo> damned , still the same error
[11:10] <umarmung> echylo: sorry my mistake, thought you talk about the .desktop file not .dmrc :(
[11:11] <echylo> this is tiring
[11:11] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > hey, im having wireless problems.  It was working yesterday, but I restarted and now its not.  The channel is not right.  I try to set it and here is exactly what I type "sudo iwconfig eth0 freq 2.463" and it says "SET failed on device eth0 ; operation not supported"
[11:11] <echylo> It keeps saying it has wrong permissions
[11:12] <Seveas> maybe you need exec permissions on it
[11:13] <jaco^> mmm, anyone has compiled vlc for google video?
[11:13] <echylo> I'm giving up actually
[11:13] <echylo> is there another window manager installable from breezy repo's
[11:13] <echylo> or is there a way to auto reconfigure the whole X
[11:13] <bpuccio> cavediver: it you right click your desktop, go to change background, set the color to something else
[11:13] <echylo> or reinstall
[11:13] <nalioth_wrkn> echylo: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:14] <Coyctecm> is breezy how usable?
[11:14] <echylo> NO
[11:14] <Coyctecm> ok
[11:14] <echylo> ;)
[11:14] <cavediver> bpuccio: I have nothing in there that resemble that colour even :=)
[11:14] <echylo> i'm fighting with alot of X problems now
[11:14] <bpuccio> cavediver: basically, gnome loads a solid color first, the color specified there and then loads the wallpaper on top of it, however, as you noticed, there exists a few seconds during which the wallpaper isn't loaded
[11:14] <bpuccio> cavediver: hmmm, I'm lost then
[11:14] <Coyctecm> bugs does not matter, i can fix them ;)
[11:15] <nalioth_wrkn> Coyctecm: it's not (unless you are a dev)
[11:15] <_4strO> yop yop all
[11:15] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > hey, im having wireless problems.  It was working yesterday, but I restarted and now its not.  The channel is not right.  I try to set it and here is exactly what I type "sudo iwconfig eth0 freq 2.463" and it says "SET failed on device eth0 ; operation not supported"
[11:15] <Coyctecm> nalioth: Ok =)
[11:15] <cavediver> I've set the solif colour under the image to blue. But it still load that ugly brown thingy... :(
[11:16] <Seveas> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , maybe you need to modprobe the driver..?
[11:16] <pgidz> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , are you sure its eth0 and not wlan0
[11:16] <bpuccio> cavediver: I'm sorry, I can't help you then
[11:16] <cavediver> ok thanks anyway
[11:16] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > ya, it says eith0 in network preferences or whatever
[11:17] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > it did this before
[11:17] <pablo928> I'm doing a dual boot install on a 80 GB Hdd. 20 GB for XP on a FAT32 partition and 80 GB for Ubuntu with 3xt3 partition. Is this going to work? (I'm installing XP right now).
[11:17] <Big_O> hmm
[11:17] <cavediver> pablo928: sure it will.
[11:17] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > and as soon as i change the channel on my router the computer changes the channel to the next lowest one
[11:18] <cavediver> pablo928: however, you can't have 20GB of XP and 80 GB of Ubuntu on a 80 GB hd..
[11:18] <nalioth> pablo928: sounds good, but linux can read/write easily to fat32 (while windows ...well it's windows)
[11:18] <amgad> hello every body
[11:18] <DodGeR_X> anyone ever manage to fill more then 10GB of a linux install with installed software ?
[11:18] <pablo928>  cavediver-I-ve done it before with XP on a NTFS partition but thought I'd try a Fat32 for the Linux compatibility.
[11:18] <nikkia_> does anyone here know how to get /etc/network/interfaces to assign a IPv6 link-local address to a static IP'ed interface? it generates one with the dhcp method, but not with static
[11:18] <cavediver> pablo928: ok.
[11:19] <amgad> can any bosy help me with j-pilot syncing problem?
[11:19] <pgidz> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , you could set the channel in etc->network->interfaces
[11:19] <jaco^> azz
[11:19] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > umm in a newb and have no idea where that is
[11:19] <pgidz> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , you could set the channel in etc/network/interfaces
[11:19] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > etc that is..
[11:19] <amgad> 'body'
[11:19] <echylo> hmm i'm ruining my system now, updated to breezy, installing hoary packages, can't go right
[11:20] <pgidz> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , etc is a folder look for it in nautilus
[11:20] <hondje> hey look, a fellow coloradan
[11:20] <Big_O> ah i can see now
[11:20] <hondje> we're infecting #ubuntu :D
[11:20] <Seveas> hondje, are you from colorado? That explains the low IQ...
[11:20] <hondje> Seveas: yessir, lack of O2
[11:20] <echylo> hondje sounds dutch
[11:21] <Seveas> echylo, he's not :)
[11:21] <echylo> yea
[11:21] <echylo> doggie
[11:21] <Big_O> hmm...my sound isnt working T_T
[11:21] <hondje> But I sure sound it :)
[11:21] <Seveas> you're just the 10,000th person to fall for it :)
[11:21] <echylo> yea probably
[11:21] <hondje> It's like, the best troll I've ever had, and it's totally not intentional :)
[11:21] <echylo> 9999 people from the netherlands probably ;)
[11:21] <echylo> :p
[11:21] <hondje> No, belgies mostly :)
[11:21] <Big_O> ugh >.>
[11:21] <echylo> :P
[11:22] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > i just type it in there somewhere and save the file?
[11:22] <vudeux> I need help with permissions
[11:22] <pgidz> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , do you have a line that says wireless_channel
[11:22] <Seveas> _SWAT_, as are echylo and myself :)
[11:22] <hondje> I don't like Colorado today though...I just got back from a few days up in the mountains, where the highs were a nice 75, and now I'm back home and it's 100 :-(
[11:22] <hans__> i cant load a logical fat32 partition..i followed the suggestions on ubuntugiude.org
[11:22] <echylo> :)
[11:23] <_SWAT_> Seveas, I thought so :)
[11:23] <cavediver> hans__: load ?
[11:23] <Seveas> Shamir, _SWAT_ #ubuntu-nl
[11:23] <Big_O> hmm anyway it works sometimes when i reboot
[11:23] <Big_O> O.o
[11:23] <hans__> mount:)
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[11:23] <hondje> My website is in .nl, does that count? :)
[11:23] <_SWAT_> one more channel to join then :P
[11:23] <cavediver> hans__: oh i see. :)
[11:23] <nalioth> hans__: stay away from ubuntuguide
[11:23] <nalioth> hans__: wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:23] <Big_O> but the sound server is crashing in kde
[11:23] <hans__> nalioth: why?
[11:23] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > no i do not have a line that says wireless channel
[11:23] <hans__> ok
[11:23] <cavediver> mount -t fat32 /dev/hdawhatever /mnt/windowsb0rk
[11:23] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > it also says that the file is read only] 
[11:23] <nalioth> hans__: reason is item number 3 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[11:24] <Seveas> hans__: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/windows_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[11:24] <Big_O> or you could just add it to fstab O.o
[11:24] <pgidz> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , what do you have after iface, it will be because it is root
[11:24] <hans__> thx
[11:25] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > iface eth0 inet dhcp
[11:25] <pgidz> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , and under that
[11:25] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > network
[11:25] <Big_O> http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows <.<
[11:26] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > brodcast
[11:26] <pgidz> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , then
[11:26] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > # wireless
[11:26] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] >  tools package
[11:26] <hondje> wait a second
[11:26] <hondje> backports are okay now?
[11:26] <Seveas> hondje, yeah
[11:26] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > mode
[11:26] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > essid
[11:26] <Big_O> O.o;
[11:26] <Big_O> ok then
[11:26] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > key1
[11:26] <hondje> Seveas: are they really okay, or just part of that 'hey look, they're official' thing?
[11:27] <bpuccio> is there a tool to edit themes (controls, window borders, etc)
[11:27] <Seveas> hondje, they're really ok
[11:27] <Seveas> I even use them myself :)
[11:27] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > # DNS
[11:27] <amgad> hello people
[11:27] <Seveas> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , stop it...
[11:27] <tiglionabbit> hello amgad
[11:27] <hondje> wow, up is down and down is up
[11:27] <amgad> can anybody help me to sync my m505 with jpilot under ubuntu??
[11:27] <ubuntumax> help
[11:27] <Seveas> pleh
[11:28] <ubuntumax> i did some updates to ubuntu and now grub won't boot my win2000 drive
[11:28] <ubuntumax> it hangs
[11:28] <pgidz> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , open a terminal and type sudo gedit //etc/network/interfaces and then add channel 11 under your iface eth0
[11:28] <amgad> tiglionabbit:???
[11:28] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > its channel 10, but ook
[11:28] <pgidz> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , or what ever channel your router is using
[11:29] <tiglionabbit> ubuntumax: tried looking at your menu.lst and saying `update-grub` ?
[11:29] <ubuntumax> before it hung on grub, it passed the grub screen then hung on the win2000 screen saying i had a corrup ntoskrnl.exe file
[11:29] <tiglionabbit> ubuntumax: that's a windows problem
[11:29] <ubuntumax> can i run update-grub from command line
[11:29] <yuacht> is there a app that quick converts a avi to gif animation?
[11:29] <tiglionabbit> ubuntumax: yes
[11:29] <Michel> My boot freezes in the network setup. I have to hit ctrl-C to make it go further. Anyone knows what the problem may be? I have 1 ethernet card, usually not conected and I have a wireless relying on ndiswrapper
[11:29] <ubuntumax> does update-grub find my partitions and update them accordingly?
[11:30] <tiglionabbit> amgad: uh, I have very little knowledge of what your question means.  I'm googling
[11:30] <tiglionabbit> ubuntumax: no, it just updates grub's menu
[11:30] <Seveas> ubuntulog, update-grub only updates the debian automagic kernel list...
[11:30] <amgad> thanks man..
[11:31] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > ok i added it, now just save?
[11:31] <tiglionabbit> amgad: does it work with gnome-pilot?
[11:31] <pgidz> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , yes
[11:31] <amgad> yes
[11:31] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > do i have to re-connect or anything before it works?
[11:32] <pgidz> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , you could try deactivating and activating your eth0
[11:32] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > ok
[11:32] <pallav> hey ppl
[11:32] <tiglionabbit> amgad: does this help?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=268
[11:32] <pallav> what software can i use to view .avi file?
[11:33] <tiglionabbit> pallav: vlc
[11:33] <pallav> for ubantu??
[11:33] <tiglionabbit> pallav: or any software if you have the correct codecs
[11:33] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > should it be taking a really long time to activate?
[11:33] <tiglionabbit> pallav: yes.  grab it off apt
[11:34] <pgidz> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , that means it is not finding you router
[11:34] <pallav> what can i get the codec for playing .avi files??
[11:34] <sunldn> hello all
[11:34] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > that what i thought
[11:34] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > damn
[11:34] <nalioth> if i was to use a x86 arch on a dual processor amd64 box, could i use the 686-smp kernel?
[11:34] <Michel> My boot freezes in the network setup. I have to hit ctrl-C to make it go further. Anyone knows what the problem may be? I have 1 ethernet card, usually not conected and I have a wireless relying on ndiswrapper
[11:34] <sunldn> i am a newbie here
[11:34] <shamus> I just installed ubuntu, or attempted to rather. The x server wasn't installed/configured correctly and i have no idea what to do
[11:34] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > so i need to click ok in the netwrok settings before it takes effect?
[11:34] <pgidz> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , are the channel freqs the same on the router and your card, my router channel 11 is not the same as channel 11 on my card
[11:34] <tiglionabbit> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] : are you using `network-admin`?  That program is kind of slow and sucky.  To get something faster, activate or deactivate by saying `sudo ifup eth0` or `sudo ifdown eth0` respectively, on the terminal
[11:34] <sunldn> i need some advice on how to connect ubuntu to Windows Printer.
[11:35] <amgad> nop, it didn't work
[11:35] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > i have no idea
[11:35] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > i woudl think so, they are both linksys
[11:35] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > but, can i type the freq in instead of the channel in that text file?
[11:36] <tiglionabbit> sunldn: windows printer?  Do you mean a printer you have "shared" on a windows machine?
[11:36] <pgidz> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , not sure you could try it
[11:36] <sunldn> yes
[11:36] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > should i say freq or spell it all out?
[11:36] <tiglionabbit> sunldn: I believe you can add a networked printer from the system -> admin -> printing thing
[11:36] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > terminal seems to reconise freq
[11:36] <sunldn> i just finished installed Ubuntu 10 minutes ago.
[11:37] <sunldn> i love it.
[11:37] <sunldn> thanks
[11:38] <sunldn> and how to do next.
[11:38] <ompaul> does dsub = serial ?
[11:39] <sunldn> i don't know what Host is.
[11:39] <JanC> nalioth : I think you could even use k7-smp
[11:39] <sunldn> any utility that allow me to browe for a printer in Windows wrokgroup.
[11:39] <JanC> but i'm not sure  :)
[11:40] <Lordjaag> hola, alguien en espaol que tenga experiencia con ubuntu???
[11:40] <tiglionabbit> sunldn: places -> network servers
[11:40] <nalioth> JanC: reason is: usability vs efficiency
[11:41] <tiglionabbit> Lordjaag: #ubuntu-es
[11:41] <Lordjaag> ok thanks
[11:41] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > yesterday, it worked with DHCP, but im looking on my winidows computer and it has all the ip info filled in instead
[11:41] <nalioth> JanC: more pkgs avail elsewhere than amd64 arch
[11:41] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > but as far as i can tell that doesnt work either on ubuntu
[11:42] <sunldn> tiglionabbit, it shows me only ShareDocs, no printers show.
[11:42] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > my router says dhcp is enabled
[11:42] <gardenia> I see that nvidia drivers in breezy aren't working but i presume they  can be source compiled right ?
[11:43] <Will__> Why are you using breezy>
[11:43] <Seveas> gardenia, indeed
[11:43] <Will__> <-tired
[11:44] <Michel> gardenia: Praise be given to NVidia for their Linux support!
[11:44] <mwe> heh
[11:44] <gardenia> Seveas, k thx
[11:44] <sunldn> anyone can help me to set Ubuntu joining Printer in Windows Workgroup.
[11:45] <JanC> nalioth : i386 architecture with the k7 kernel works on a single CPU amd64 system
[11:45] <gardenia> Michel, well almost..looks like ATI beat them to a X installable driver though..how lame is that ?
[11:45] <JanC> I have no experience with -smp though
[11:45] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > ati is better
[11:45] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > more band for your buck
[11:45] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > bang*
[11:45] <Michel> gardenia: How so? Not sure what you mean.
[11:45] <gardenia> there is a  GUI intsallable driver for ati now
[11:46] <gardenia> you dont have to 'exit' X to deal with it..like windows
[11:46] <gardenia> to me thats smart and nvidia should be ashamed
[11:46] <nalioth> JanC: well i was just wondring. i'm fixin to build a amd64 (dual proc) and really didnt want to compile everythng from scratch so that it ran
[11:46] <Michel> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , I find ati's support on laptop totally lame. They refer you to the laptop manufacturer and that never leads anywhere. Unless things have changed recently.
[11:47] <gardenia> maybe ati has lame support in some arenas but at least they are showing innovation
[11:47] <Michel> gardenia: I installed the nvidia drivers on ubuntu without having to exit X
[11:47] <Seveas> both ati and nvidia require an X restart to get the drivers working
[11:47] <gardenia> Michel, yes ubuntu makes it painelsss mostly..but not all distros offer this luxury
[11:47] <Seveas> you have to edit xorg.conf
[11:48] <Michel> Seveas, of course, but that's to be expected.
[11:48] <Seveas> and these changes are only effective after an X restart
[11:48] <gardenia> well sure even windows requires reboot ;-)heh
[11:48] <Michel> gardenia: I was quite pleased wth ubuntu. I come from a SuSE background as of late.
[11:48] <tiglionabbit> thing is though, X restarts in a few seconds, whereas windows requires a full power-off reboot
[11:48] <gardenia> sorry for mentioning THAT OS but hey <G>
[11:49] <tiglionabbit> hey, there's nothing wrong with it.  I'm proud to dual boot
[11:49] <gardenia> Michel, wow suse huh..one of the easiest to use distros period
[11:49] <tiglionabbit> suse?  ew, that wasn't easy to use, it screwed up everything I told it to do
[11:50] <gardenia> Michel, I was not overall pleased with their IRC channel..seems kinda childish sometimes but here they keep things decent I find
[11:50] <zip_> does anyone know why when i open certain programs i get "open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory".
[11:50] <zip_> then a segmentation fault(SDL parachute deployed)
[11:50] <Michel> gardenia, agreed and there are still things that I think are better on SuSE (like access to removable media) but I was getting problem on my laptop after a while. Things would disappear and the removable media feature would stop working.
[11:50] <tiglionabbit> zip_: that means it crashed.  Go ask the people who make the program what's wrong
[11:50] <gardenia> Michel, yeah ubuntu rocks for me except for my dain X crashing...I dont know how to solve so im thinking to try breezy and cross fingers LOL
[11:50] <zip_> tiglionabbit: i know what it means, i'm interested in how to fix it =\
[11:51] <nalioth> i'm proud to dual-boot, also (i own 2 iBooks)
[11:51] <Michel> gardenia, never have had X crashing in 10 years :)
[11:51] <gardenia> bizarre
[11:51] <zip_> its a sound problem evidently, i have no /dev/sequencer =p
[11:51] <gardenia> Michel, hoary ?
[11:51] <tiglionabbit> zip_: oh, yeah, I suppose that could cause a crash if the programmers didn't anticipate that..
[11:51] <Michel> Well I just installed hoary 2 days ago. So I cannot speak of its stability yet
[11:51] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > can soemone help me with my wireless?  I cant imput the channel or freq
[11:52] <[j] [a] [r] [e] [d] > it was working yesterday
[11:52] <Michel> [j] [a] [r] [e] [d] , perhaps....
[11:52] <gardenia> Michel, hmm well maybe i'm running into some bad ram or something equally depressing ..seems unlikely on this 2.5 year old dell but its possible ..bigtime sorrow of true..but I do see others have weird issues with gnome though
[11:52] <tiglionabbit> zip_: what are you trying to run?
[11:52] <gardenia> Michel, ah ok
[11:52] <zip_> tiglionabbit: TMW and Daimonin, both RPG games, seperate projects but they give the same error
[11:52] <Michel> gardenia, I do not use gnome. Coming from suse, I installed KDE
[11:52] <gardenia> Michel, I love ubuntu though so its worth sticking with and making better if need be
[11:52] <gardenia> Michel, true
[11:53] <Michel> gardenia, I do not quite get the gnome desktop. Can't get used to it....
[11:53] <MantasV> hi. i have small, but wery important question: what version of kernel is in newest ubuntu?
[11:54] <cavediver> 2.6.12 in Breezy, 2.6.10 in Hoary
[11:54] <gardenia> Michel, ah ok..well if you like kde I can understand..two totally different DE'
[11:54] <GrammatonCleric> 2.6.10-5-386
[11:54] <gardenia> s
[11:54] <MantasV> thank you :)
[11:54] <mwe> Linux freja 2.6.12.1-eurus #3 Fri Jun 24 18:31:13 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:55] <tiglionabbit> Michel: don't like gnome?  You can always install another WM.  'xfce4' and 'kubuntu-desktop' are easy to get from apt
[11:56] <cavediver> xfce4 are great.
[11:56] <mwe> fluxbox rox
[11:56] <gardenia> yeah..so fast.xfce4 is sweet
[11:56] <gardenia> and you can still run gnome panel if you want
[11:56] <mwe> gnome doesn't like me
[11:56] <Michel> tiglionabbit, I put K :) So it's kubuntu indeed.
[11:57] <gardenia> fluxbox is epitomy of quickness but kinda light for my tastes i guess
[11:57] <gardenia> Michel, heheh
[11:58] <Vjaz> PWM rules
[11:59] <tiglionabbit> Michel: well you could potentially install any wm you want, if you find some debs and do a little work
[11:59] <nalioth> Michel: or you could compile from source
[11:59] <Michel> tiglionabbit: Of course. I am happy with kdm though :) I am so used to it.
[11:59] <mwe> most popular wms are on the repos
[12:00] <synd> mwe: most WMs, regardless of popularity are in the repos