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[12:09] <mxpxpod> seb128: did you get the bug I closed and then re-opened?
[12:10] <seb128> yep
[12:10] <mxpxpod> does my explanation sound reasonable?
[12:12] <seb128> not really
[12:12] <mxpxpod> ok
[12:12] <mxpxpod> I'm not sure why, but a recompile of libwnck fixes my problems
[12:12] <seb128> "the symbols in libwnck need to be updated with a recompile"
[12:12] <seb128> what's that?
[12:13] <seb128> the symboles are the the list of stuff declared by the lib
[12:13] <seb128> that's not going to change on a rebuil
[12:13] <mxpxpod> ok
[12:13] <seb128> a rebuild doesn't change the ABI
[12:13] <mxpxpod> maybe what the lib points to in other libs needs to be updated
[12:14] <seb128> that would mean than a lib has changed its ABI
[12:14] <seb128> wnck has not
[12:14] <seb128> and I doubt that libc breaks the compatibility
[12:14] <mxpxpod> could it be glib?
[12:14] <seb128> no
[12:14] <mxpxpod> man...
[12:15] <seb128> all the GNOME libs have an ABI compatibility
[12:15] <mxpxpod> this makes no freaking sense
[12:17] <seb128> google about the error, just tried that and there is a bunch of responses
[12:17] <mxpxpod> ok
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[12:18] <seb128> seems to be a toolchain issue
[12:18] <mxpxpod> which means...
[12:19] <seb128> build issue
[12:19] <seb128> fPIC code
[12:20] <mxpxpod> seb128: any clue how to fix it?
[12:21] <seb128> nop
[12:21] <mxpxpod> wonder if jbailey would know...
[12:21] <seb128> could be a gcc or libc issue
[12:21] <seb128> yep, he's probably the right guy to ask about this
[12:22] <mxpxpod> and he just happens to be gone...
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[12:23] <mxpxpod> seb128: ok, could you try something for me really quick? could you add a workspace switcher to a panel and then open its preferences?
[12:25] <seb128> and ... ?
[12:25] <mxpxpod> do you get a warning message?
[12:26] <seb128> no
[12:26] <mxpxpod> suck
[12:26] <seb128> what does it say?
[12:26] <mxpxpod> Failed: Failed: Schema `/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/display_all_workspaces' specified for `/apps/panel/applets/applet_84/prefs/display_all_workspaces' stores a non-schema value
[12:26] <mxpxpod> Failed: Failed: Schema `/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/num_rows' specified for `/apps/panel/applets/applet_84/prefs/num_rows' stores a non-schema value
[12:26] <mxpxpod> now, here's something really strange
[12:27] <mxpxpod> if I pkill the panel, the preferences work fine
[12:30] <mxpxpod> it looks like the defaults aren't getting written correctly (not sure if that's just here or what)
[12:30] <seb128> it's a GNOME dialog with this message?
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[12:31] <mxpxpod> I'll get you a SS
[12:32] <mxpxpod> seb128: http://www.reigndropsfall.net/images/Screenshot-Error.png
[12:33] <pablo_> mdke thanks, I added a comment to the bug https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12188 :
[12:33] <pablo_> :)
[12:34] <seb128> mxpxpod: weird
[12:34] <mxpxpod> seb128: yeah, very
[12:34] <mxpxpod> check this out
[12:34] <mdke> pablo_, good stuff :)
[12:35] <mxpxpod> there's no display_all_workspaces key in gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs doesn't exist
[12:35] <mxpxpod> s/doesn't exist/
[12:35] <mxpxpod> s/doesn't exist//
[12:35] <mxpxpod> man, I can't type today
[12:35] <pablo_> hmm when I'm trying to change the cursor, it's not changing :/ (/etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme) at hoary it changes, at breeze it's not doing that :/ somebody with the same problem?
[12:35] <xhaker> its broken
[12:36] <pablo_> xhaker for me?
[12:36] <xhaker> for everybody
[12:36] <seb128> not for me
[12:36] <pablo_> I mean if you have talked to me :)
[12:36] <pablo_> seb128 you're cool =P
[12:36] <mxpxpod> seb128: was that for me?
[12:36] <pablo_> jajaja
[12:36] <pablo_> :)
[12:37] <xhaker> pablo_, it is broken in breezy
[12:37] <xhaker> it happened in hoary devel times too
[12:38] <seb128> mxpxpod: nop, for the cursors
[12:38] <mxpxpod> seb128: ok, just making sure
[12:39] <mxpxpod> seb128: ok, so for some reason the defaults aren't getting written right for these keys
[12:39] <pablo_> xhaker Ok, I remember
[12:39] <seb128> mxpxpod: do you have a /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/%gconf.xml ?
[12:39] <mxpxpod> seb128: yes
[12:39] <seb128> mxpxpod: can you put it somewhere?
[12:41] <mxpxpod> seb128: yeah
[12:42] <mxpxpod> seb128: ok, I was wrong... it is getting written
[12:43] <mxpxpod> if I open up gconf-editor and go to that key, it tells me this:
[12:43] <mxpxpod> Type mismatch: Expected `UNKNOWN, 5' got `Boolean' for key /schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/display_all_workspaces
[12:44] <seb128> your wnck seems to have issues
[12:44] <mxpxpod> you're telling me
[12:45] <seb128> is that with your rebuild of the package?
[12:45] <mxpxpod> it's getting kind of old ;)
[12:45] <mxpxpod> seb128: yeah
[12:48] <xhaker> Akira Haraguchi, 59, managed to recite the number's first 83,431 decimal places, almost doubling the previous record held by another Japanese.
[12:49] <mxpxpod> seb128: do you have _any_ idea what would be causing all of this chaos?
[12:49] <xhaker> he memorised the PI
[12:49] <seb128> mxpxpod: nop
[12:49] <mxpxpod> argh
[12:50] <seb128> mxpxpod: do you have the issue only with wnck?
[12:50] <mxpxpod> yeah
[12:50] <mxpxpod> all the other applets work fine
[12:50] <seb128> I've uploaded a new version today
[12:50] <seb128> maybe it's going to fix the issue
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[12:51] <mxpxpod> seb128: what changed?
[12:52] <seb128> wnck? not a lot
[12:52] <seb128> but maybe a rebuild will fix your issue
[12:52] <mxpxpod> :)
[12:53] <mxpxpod> seb128: thanks for the help... hopefully this helps :)
[12:57] <Burgundavia> seb128, did eog 2.11 fix --> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8742
[12:58] <seb128> nop
[12:58] <Burgundavia> ok
[12:58] <seb128> you can probably bug that upstream
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[01:01] <wasabi_> We need 128bit uids
[01:18] <lifeless> when does upstream version freeze occur ?
[01:21] <Burgundavia> july 7th
[01:21] <HiddenWolf> Heh, and hopefully, bugs will start dying in droves after that. :)
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[01:28] <mdke> i wanna see some hard core backports for july th
[01:28] <mdke> 8th
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[01:49] <lsuactiafner> man, i was like , i wanna see some hard core
[01:49] <lsuactiafner> and from there your sentance wasnt funny anymore
[01:54] <mdke> ok i'll rephrase
[01:54] <mdke> s/backports for july 8th/_
[01:55] <pablo_> hi guys :) how can I determinate a default background color for nautilus? Thanks :)
[01:56] <mdke> pablo_, you can ask questions in #ubuntu
[01:56] <mdke> they will help!
[01:58] <pablo_> mdke hihi thanks :)
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[02:04] <pablo_> mdke of, that was a simple gconf set on apps/nautilus :P
[02:04] <mdke> pablo_, ok good. its also in the nautilus menu btw
[02:05] <mdke> either is good
[02:05] <pablo_> mdke yep, but it doesn't apply to all windows, so you open a folder and that windows older have the default :)
[02:06] <mdke> it works for me
[02:06] <pablo_> so on  gconf  I clicked background_set :)
[02:06] <pablo_> in that way works for all windows :)
[02:06] <mdke> the menu also works for all windows here
[02:06] <mdke> maybe investigate and file a bug if it doesn't work on yours
[02:07] <pablo_> 'cause is probably that you have on apps/nautilus/preferences/background_set on :)
[02:07] <pablo_> 'clicked' :$
[02:07] <mdke> nope
[02:07] <pablo_> oops :/
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[02:08] <pablo_> mdke when I change the background with the 'Backgrounds and Em...' it only changes for that window :/
[02:08] <pablo_> the only way for me is gconf :(
[02:09] <mdke> the menu method should handle those gconf things for you
[02:09] <pablo_> mdke I don't want to record a video with gvidcap ;)
[02:09] <pablo_> so believe me :$
[02:09] <pablo_> jeje :P
[02:10] <mdke> i didn't suggest that I didn't believe you
[02:10] <pablo_> well, now it works for that I want #525252 color :)
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[02:15] <pablo_> Build-dependencies for evolution could not be satisfied. =P
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[02:27] <pablo_> libgtkhtml3.8-dev: Depends: libgtkhtml3.8-15 (= 3.7.2-0ubuntu1) but 3.7.3-0ubuntu1 is to be installed :o
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[04:31] <lamont> coreutils and procps both deliver /usr/share/man/man1/kill.1.gz
[04:31] <lamont> GAH
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[04:39] <jdub> lamont: guess you'll be wanting to kill that
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[04:39] <jdub> ;-)
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[04:51] <calc> anyone managed to get a laptop running amd64 arch to wake up from sleep?
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[04:51] <calc> mine now goes to sleep properly (it seems) with 2.6.12 but i can't the screen to come back
[04:52] <calc> vbetool doesn't seem to work either saying it can't do a real mode interrupt
[04:52] <calc> and its not even normally on the amd64 arch i extracted it since the scripts seemed to use it from i386 arch
[04:53] <punkrockguy318> on hoary?
[04:53] <punkrockguy318> or breezy?
[04:53] <calc> breezy
[04:53] <pablo_> breezy <
[04:54] <daniels> vbetool can't do real mode stuff on amd64, regardless of which packages you install
[04:55] <calc> daniels: yea i figured that after reading the error it gave me
[04:55] <calc> so is there a way to bring back video on amd64?
[05:00] <punkrockguy318> Where might I contribute my bugs and suggestions to the breezy colony 2? bugzilla?
[05:01] <daniels> calc: right now, no
[05:02] <pablo_> bugs bugzilla :)
[05:02] <pablo_> suggestions I think mailing list
[05:02] <punkrockguy318> alright, i posted my suggestions on the mailing list earlier today
[05:03] <punkrockguy318> breezy is actually much more stable than i anticipated
[05:06] <calc> daniels: ok
[05:06] <calc> btw xlibs-data libx11-6 upgrade from hoary->breezy as of earlier today still is broken
[05:07] <calc> i reinstalled ubuntu on my laptop to play with wpa and acpi and noticed that problem
[05:07] <calc> purging both and installing them fixed it
[05:07] <daniels> i know
[05:07] <calc> ok
[05:07] <daniels> i haven't been working for a while (did wednesday/thursday in one long stretch, swapped friday for today)
[05:08] <daniels> i'll do my last upgrade tests when I get back from lunch
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[05:10] <pablo_> hopefully it works :/
[05:12] <pablo_> wow! on nautilus is applied the patch for viewing as list as an xml style :D
[05:12] <pablo_> cool
[05:12] <pablo_> hihihi
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[05:38] <calc> the hoary live cd can come back from S3 but it doesn't set the keyboard back up apparently
[05:38] <calc> i see the X login screen but can't type anything in or switch terminals, so it seems the keyboard is dead
[05:38] <calc> this is on the same amd64 laptop, btw
[05:38] <calc> er hoary i386 live cd (forgot to specify that)
[05:39] <pablo_> libgtkhtml3.8-dev is broken guys now i'm compiling the source of that to get working evo :(
[05:41] <pablo_> I wana evoo :'(
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[05:57] <crimsun> does #kubuntu also follow the same guidelines as #ubuntu regarding CoC?
[05:57] <crimsun> (or should I be inquiring in #kubuntu-devel?)
[05:57] <schweeb> crimsun: probably
[05:58] <crimsun> (sometimes it's difficult to keep things on-topic)
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[09:32] <fabbione> hmm
[09:32] <fabbione> what's wrong with:
[09:32] <fabbione> next if (! /^foo/ ) || (! /^bar/ );
[09:32] <fabbione> if i use only foo it's ok
[09:33] <daniels> put parentheses around the whole thing?
[09:33] <fabbione> if i add bar it filters a but too much
[09:33] <fabbione> next if ((! /^foo/ ) || (! /^bar/ )); ?
[09:33] <daniels> next if ((!/^foo/) || (!/^bar/));
[09:33] <daniels> right, might be worth a go
[09:33] <daniels> hold on, that will always trigger
[09:33] <daniels> you can't have something that's ^foo *and* ^bar
[09:33] <daniels> so that's the same as next if (1)
[09:34] <fabbione> daniels: there is no such case
[09:34] <fabbione> given a list of something
[09:34] <daniels> well, think about it
[09:34] <fabbione> the first word in the list indicates a category
[09:34] <fabbione> that can be foo bar baz
[09:34] <daniels> if you have three lines, foo, bar and baz
[09:34] <daniels> !^/bar/ will trigger on foo
[09:34] <fabbione> and i want to get only foo and bar
[09:35] <daniels> !/^foo/ will trigger on bar
[09:35] <fabbione> ah right
[09:35] <daniels> and both will trigger on baz
[09:35] <fabbione> needs to be &&
[09:35] <daniels> that would probably be more useful
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[09:37] <fabbione> much better :)
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[10:30] <fabbione> hey mdz
[10:30] <fabbione> hey JaneW 
[10:39] <JaneW> hey fabbione 
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[10:43] <sivang> hey all
[10:47] <mdz> fabbione: morning
[10:53] <mjg59> mdz: Did you get my email?
[10:53] <mdz> mjg59: I did, thanks
[10:53] <mdz> mjg59: your list looks fine
[10:53] <mdz> let's go ahead and start contacting folks
[10:54] <mjg59> mdz: Cool
[10:55] <mjg59> I'll sort the shortlist of hardware, then we just need to make sure we have agreement on what the agreement with people is
[10:55] <mdz> mjg59: can you draft something for the terms and conditions in the wiki?
[10:55] <mjg59> Yup, no problem
[10:55] <mjg59> I'm moving house today and tomorrow, so this may end up being Tuesday
[10:56] <mdz> mjg59: still in cambridge, or elsewhere?
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[10:57] <mjg59> Cambridge
[10:58] <mjg59> Moving in with Daf
[10:58] <mjg59> We can't get a phoneline for 3 weeks, so the internet situation may be... interesting
[10:58] <ivoks> vedran: name sounds somewhat slavic...
[10:59] <vedran> ivoks: yup :)
[10:59] <vedran> whois vedran: blahblahblah.ba
[10:59] <ivoks> vedran: pa sta ima u bosni? :)
[10:59] <vedran> ma nista vala, ruzno vrijeme
[11:00] <vedran> kisa pada, poplave itd.
[11:00] <ivoks> ok, english on...
[11:00] <vedran> np
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[12:16] <Kamion> mdz: hi, what was up yesterday?
[12:17] <Kamion> lamont: fixing your coreutils thing now
[12:17] <Kamion> lamont: it's #314713
[12:23] <Kamion> lamont: (actually, not fixing right now, it's using dbs' dpkg-arch.mk - I'll see if/how I can get that changed first)
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[12:56] <dholbach> hi, could somebody trigger a rebuild of libxml-writer-perl? somehow ./usr/share/perl5/XML/Writer.pm wasn't contained. a rebuild in pbuilder fixed it.
[12:56] <dholbach> shall i upload with build1 suffix?
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[01:08] <pitti> Nice Sunday everybody!
[01:10] <dholbach> leaving again?
[01:10] <dholbach> have a nice sunday too, pitti :)
[01:10] <pitti> dholbach: well, in ~ 45 minutes
[01:11] <pitti> just some email reading
[01:11] <dholbach> how's the weather at your place? going out today?
[01:12] <\sh> *rearrangesomewikipagesnow
[01:13] <pitti> dholbach: it's just great, gf+me will take our bikes and go to my parent's garden (celebrating my mother's birthday)
[01:13] <dholbach> oh nice
[01:13] <dholbach> garden party with grilling outside? :)
[01:14] <pitti> yep :-)
[01:14] <dholbach> EXCELLENT
[01:14] <dholbach> much better than exam revision :)
[01:14] <dholbach> i won't spoil your sunday - have fun! :)
[01:14] <daniels> dholbach: yo dude
[01:14] <dholbach> hey daniels, how's it going?
[01:15] <\sh> dholbach: one beer in the evening will do it, to make your day ;)
[01:16] <pitti> daniels: you have to revise other student's exams?
[01:16] <dholbach> pitti: erm, i have to review my stuff to be prepared on friday (last exam) :)
[01:16] <pitti> dholbach: oh, I see *crossing fingers*
[01:17] <dholbach> pitti: thanks :)
[01:17] <ajmitch> dholbach: good luck :)
[01:17] <dholbach> \sh: yeah, i'm going to watch the oscar wilde movie tonight - i wanted to see it for ages
[01:17] <daniels> dholbach: not too bad, thanks
[01:17] <daniels> pitti: ...
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[01:17] <dholbach> ivoks: hey ante!
[01:18] <ivoks> dholbach: hi!
[01:18] <ivoks> i'm having some problems with eclipse :(
[01:18] <\sh> dholbach: actually I wanted to go to the parade today, but my head is paining too much today, just because yesterday we had a nice day ,-)
[01:19] <dholbach> ivoks: i tried to install it, but it didn't work yet - you might want to ask wasabi_ - he's the java/eclipse/... expert :)
[01:19] <ivoks> hi \sh 
[01:19] <ivoks> heh, guess he isn't here
[01:19] <ivoks> dholbach: for me it doesn't even start :(
[01:19] <dholbach> \sh: go for a *slow* walk then, have some water :)
[01:20] <ivoks> \sh: so, what were you doing yesterday? :>
[01:20] <doko> ivoks: install eclipse-sdk as a workaround
[01:21] <ivoks> hm... thanks doko 
[01:21] <dholbach> hey doko
[01:21] <dholbach> doko: how's it going?
[01:21] <\sh> ivoks: bought a washing machine :) and had some drinks at the cologne pride, made some nice contacts there, and had a very interessting outing ;)
[01:22] <ivoks> oh, what's cologne pride?
[01:22] <dholbach> sounds like a "headache next day" :)
[01:23] <ivoks> :))
[01:24] <\sh> ivoks: it's a gay and lesbian party, just before the CSD parade today. CSD== Christopher Street Day, a happening where gays/lesbians/bisexual people are celebrating a party and demonstrating for their legal rights in the community
[01:24] <ivoks> ah, it's called gay pride in zagreb :)
[01:26] <\sh> was quite nice, i went there with two colleagues, he is muslim, and she likes girls :) and she knew about my situation, and he wasn't quite sure what to think and how to handle it but now he understands and is respects our way of life :) 
[01:27] <mdke> fabbione, around?
[01:28] <ivoks> \sh: well, everybody lives in the way he/she chooses
[01:28] <ivoks> at least, it should be that way
[01:28] <JanC> IIRC there is an event/parade like that called "Roze Zaterdag" ("Pink Saturday") in Belgium  ;-)
[01:30] <mdke> 12344
[01:30] <mdke> whoops sorry wrong paste
[01:31] <\sh> JanC: looks like the same event ;-)
[01:31] <lool> (Gay Pride in Paris too)
[01:33] <daniels> mardi gras in australia
[01:33] <JanC> it has a new name now, it seems: http://www.blgp.be/en/
[01:33] <\sh> #ubuntu-gblp ,-)
[01:34] <lool> daniels: mouahaha
[01:35] <\sh> what's the email address of chmj
[01:38] <dholbach> Charles Majola <charles at ubuntu.com>
[01:38] <\sh> thx
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[01:40] <pitti> sjoerd: just uploading pmount 0.9.2-1 to experimental :-)
[01:42] <sjoerd> pitti: \o/
[01:42] <sjoerd> pitti: still haven't got a reaction from the cryptsetup maintainer :(
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[01:42] <pitti> me neither
[01:43] <pitti> ok, have a nice Sunday
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[01:50] <dholbach> \sh: FinishedUniverseLibraries is a complete list?
[01:58] <\sh> dholbach: not now...I just figuring out what is finished and what not
[01:58] <\sh> takes some time
[01:59] <dholbach> ok
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[02:11] <dholbach> hey seb128 :)
[02:12] <seb128> hi dholbach 
[02:32] <fabbione> mdke: now... but not for long time
[02:34] <seb128> elmo: glib2.0 (exp) sync please
[02:35] <fabbione> seb128: you are supposed to be watching F1 :)
[02:35] <fabbione> seb128; they are running in france today ;)
[02:36] <seb128> fabbione: yeah, I'm watching the TV while working :p
[02:36] <dholbach> fabbione: F1 needs no concentration at all - you can hack/whatever while watching it
[02:36] <fabbione> seb128: eheheh
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[02:36] <fabbione> dholbach: i prefer to relax and watch F1 :)
[02:37] <fabbione> IRC and www.formula1.com are the 2 only things around at this time
[02:37] <dholbach> fabbione: F1 and relaxing just don't fit together... at least not for me :)
[02:39] <fabbione> dholbach: probably because you are a decade younger than me .. and didn't watch much of Senna/Prost/Mansel fights
[02:39] <fabbione> this F1 is boring compared
[02:39] <HiddenWolf> it is
[02:40] <HiddenWolf> and you should all be spanked for being OT ;)
[02:40] <mdke> fabbione, i just wanted to clarify a bit #12344 which I reopened just now, if you're happy, then no need, otherwise, I can try and clarify
[02:40] <fabbione> a second... i don't have buzilla handy here
[02:41] <dholbach> fabbione: once i'm not chained to the computer anymore, i'll be happy to let you try to explain the fascination to me :)
[02:41] <fabbione> dholbach: eheh
[02:41] <mdke> i prefer motogp to f1 i have to say
[02:50] <fabbione> mdke: the RADIO16.BIN that you have on warty2hoary partition is the same as the one in the brand new hoary installation?
[02:50] <fabbione> check the md5sum of them
[02:50] <fabbione> if they are not the same i would suggest you get the file from the other partition
[02:50] <fabbione> that's all i can suggest
[02:50] <fabbione> the driver in the kernel is the same
[02:51] <mdke> fabbione, sure. But the main part of the bug is the fact that the firmware is not shipped with Ubuntu
[02:51] <fabbione> mdke: dude.. you open a bug with a firware that doesn't load...
[02:51] <fabbione> now it's turning in the firmware is missing..
[02:51] <fabbione> it's one bug per problem
[02:51] <fabbione> not 2 problems in one bug...
[02:51] <mdke> ok
[02:51] <fabbione> in any case the firmware won't be added to hoary
[02:51] <mdke> ignore the comment then, the report shows clearly that the firmware is missing
[02:52] <fabbione> ok
[02:52] <fabbione> mdke: please reassign the bug to linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10
[02:52] <mdke> fabbione, sure ok
[02:52] <fabbione> thanks
[02:54] <mdke> fabbione, is it normal that linux-restricted-modules was installed automatically by the installer?
[02:54] <Kamion> yes
[02:54] <mdke> k cool
[02:54] <Kamion> normal and intentional
[02:54] <mdke> yes I appreciated it
[02:54] <mdke> :)
[02:57] <fabbione> hey Kamion 
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[03:02] <fabbione> hey lamont 
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[03:02] <fabbione> lamont: the gnome-alsamixer mismatch seems to be caused by the pkg being moved to universe... but wanna-build doesn't realise that
[03:03] <lamont> fabbione: because it's UNKNOWN == main.  iz override file fix that elmo needs to do.
[03:04] <dholbach> hey lamont: do we have to bug you in some weeks for a BIG TEST REBUILD? :)
[03:05] <fabbione> lamont: right
[03:05] <xhaker> hmmm, how come the new gnome-icon-theme has the real firefox logo?
[03:07] <HiddenWolf> xhaker, guess they cleared that with the moz foundation
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[03:08] <fabbione> dholbach: afaik they are working on it... it's going to be fun to fix 39483943 FTBFS 
[03:08] <fabbione> dholbach: and there are pleny
[03:08] <fabbione> plenty even
[03:08] <fabbione> between gcc-4.0 and X split
[03:08] <dholbach> fabbione: yeah... but that'll be 5-6 weeks before release, right?
[03:09] <fabbione> dholbach: i truely hope a bit before that
[03:09] <fabbione> and that it will run constantly on all the archive
[03:09] <dholbach> it should be (some time) after mergingShouldBeCompleteFreeze
[03:09] <dholbach> fabbione: then i'll do everything i can to help out (when i finished thesis/exam/move)
[03:10] <fabbione> dholbach: i have seen a huge bunch of FTBFS in universe due to X split
[03:10] <\sh> grmpf...somethings goes terrible wrong with quantlib...too much of love 
[03:10] <dholbach> yeah
[03:10] <fabbione> it's not difficult to fix.. just extremely boring
[03:10] <dholbach> that'll be fun
[03:10] <dholbach> yeah, we'll manage
[03:10] <fabbione> yeah
[03:11] <dholbach> the last weeks before the release will be the "MOTU weeks" :)
[03:11] <\sh> dholbach: enlish work for "fleissarbeit"? ,-)
[03:11] <dholbach> \sh: yeah, lots of motu hopefuls can prove themselves
[03:11] <\sh> yepp
[03:14] <\sh> no wonder why quantlib is not building properly....DH_VERBOSE=1 should always be enabled
[03:14] <fabbione> jamesh: eh?
[03:14] <fabbione> not at all
[03:14] <fabbione> DH_VERBOSE is optional
[03:14] <fabbione> \sh ^
[03:14] <\sh> yeah, but helped me 
[03:15] <fabbione> it does help to track down possible errors
[03:15] <fabbione> not to build the package itself
[03:15] <\sh> fabbione: yeah...but without it now, i didn't see the compile errors :(
[03:15] <\sh> now i have them :(
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[03:16] <\sh> and for gods sake there is a patch in b.d.o
[03:17] <\sh> so i don't have to work on this ;)
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[03:19] <dholbach> hey ogra 
[03:19] <\sh> www.the-tower.co.uk -> search for prisoners: ogra ,-)
[03:19] <ogra> hehe
[03:20] <ogra> still locked in the hotel ;)
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[03:26] <\sh> and no..this  isnot nice...they're playing the german national anthem in kerpen sindorf 
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[03:27] <ezequiel> hi ppl
[03:27] <ezequiel> isn't there any qt4 build for ubuntu?
[03:27] <\sh> no not right now
[03:28] <dholbach> hi ezequiel, this is more a  #ubuntu -question, but packages.ubuntu.com should be able to tell you
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[03:30] <ezequiel> yup, but not a #ubuntu answer ;)
[03:30] <loo> 1/j #ubuntu
[03:31] <ezequiel> sorry, I asked @ #kubuntu
[03:32] <\sh> ezequiel: lets say it like this: qt4 is not important right now, without kde4 in our eyes...and lets wait for some more bugfix releases...
[03:35] <ezequiel> \sh: well, it does matter to me, 'cause I was just to begin developming a qt application and I don't want to port it later
[03:36] <ezequiel> \sh: btw, have you read about the plasma
[03:36] <ezequiel> ?
[03:38] <Kamion> \sh: DH_VERBOSE=1 should generally be set by the person building the package in the environment, not hardcoded in debian/rules
[03:41] <\sh> Kamion: yeah..but this stupid package didn't show me any build errors, it just went on to installing ...:(
[03:42] <wm_eddie> ezequiel: I think it'd be easier to write it in Qt3 now and port it to Qt4 later.
[03:42] <ezequiel> wm_eddie: I hate porting, I'm too slow
[03:43] <ezequiel> wm_eddie: even if I does not know the differences yet
[03:43] <wm_eddie> well, looks like you are going to have to get qt4 from trolltech and install it yourself.
[03:43] <ezequiel> I just got some debian packages
[03:44] <\sh> ezequiel: yes I read aarons announcement
[03:44] <wm_eddie> that works.
[03:44] <wm_eddie> hopefully that wont break anything.
[03:45] <ezequiel> I'm gonna fill the deps with breezy and prays
[03:47] <ezequiel> the past week a friend asked me if he could install windows in his mac...
[03:47] <ezequiel> that would be a problem...
[03:48] <wm_eddie> ezequiel: Virtual PC.
[03:48] <wm_eddie> unless he meant as the main OS.
[03:48] <ezequiel> as main os he asked, he has no idea about virtualpc or whatever
[03:48] <wm_eddie> He can install Ubuntu :)
[03:49] <ezequiel> yup, I gave him a hoary cd
[03:49] <ezequiel> hope he wants to test it
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[03:58] <dholbach> bye guys, see you later
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[04:07] <davyd> daniels: has that X.org upload happened yet?
[04:08] <tseng> davyd: no
[04:09] <davyd> ooher, whatever update I got the other day now gives me an iPod logo
[04:09] <tseng> indeed
[04:09] <davyd> rocking
[04:10] <davyd> although, it has decided to mount the media somewhere new
[04:10] <davyd> is there a non-shit iPod application that will find out where my iPod is for me?
[04:10] <tseng> hey the last applets seb uploaded it says i can change governer in battstat
[04:10] <davyd> tseng: if you've built that part
[04:10] <tseng> davyd: snorp is working on that
[04:10] <tseng> and abock, lewing
[04:10] <davyd> excellent
[04:10] <davyd> gtkpod is... average
[04:11] <tseng> also, the next g-v-m has an ipod target
[04:11] <davyd> and I wasn't feeling like attempting it myself
[04:11] <tseng> davyd: the muine plugin rocks
[04:11] <tseng> davyd: just now that it uses hal.. it doesnt work on breezy yet :)
[04:11] <davyd> tseng: I haven't tried that
[04:11] <davyd> tseng: oh, because of new HAL?
[04:11] <tseng> ya
[04:12] <tseng> they are working on that also
[04:12] <tseng> i dont see why we wont have it by breezy release
[04:12] <davyd> new HAL was ok to port to
[04:12] <davyd> once I got new documentation
[04:12] <tseng> yeah but they are all NLD/SuSE lamers
[04:12] <davyd> I started porting gnome-netstatus to HAL
[04:14] <davyd> unfortunately, this job has eaten up a lot of my holiday time
[04:19] <davyd> I see it also sends an eject to the iPod to make it 'tick' ok
[04:19] <davyd> and doesn't send HAL into the D-state
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[04:20] <lsuactiafner> shouldnt gcc for ubuntu be able to do ./configure --target=athlon_xp --cc="gcc -m32" --as="as --32" --with-extralibdir=/usr/lib32/ ?
[04:20] <lsuactiafner> mplayer source
[04:22] <tseng> davyd: last i tried that the eject failed
[04:23] <davyd> tseng: hmm, my breezy is a little out of date on this machine
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[04:32] <mdke> I'm just upgrading to hoary, linux-restricted-modules-386 and ubuntu-desktop are kept back from a dist-upgrade, is this intentional?
[04:32] <mdke> gah
[04:32] <mdke> s/hoary/breezy
[04:38] <Kamion> there's no l-r-m for 2.6.12 yet
[04:38] <mdke> cool thanks Kamion 
[04:38] <Kamion> ubuntu-desktop is odd, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/breezy_probs.html doesn't show it as uninstallable
[04:39] <Kamion> but it may just be confused by the X modularisation; last time I did a hoary->breezy upgrade I had to help it out a fair bit
[04:39] <mdke> yeah right now it is having some xlibs-data conflict issues
[04:39] <davyd> the biggest thing about distro hacking, seems to be the number of times you are doing upgrades and other stuff
[04:39] <davyd> it seems to incredibly painful
[04:39] <davyd> anyway, time to sleep
[04:39] <mdke> so I'm gonna wait til that if fixed before finishing the upgrade
[04:40] <mdke> if/is
[04:40] <mdke> i figured I could do a nice clean hoary install, then upgrade to see if I could find any new bugs
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[04:40] <davyd> mdke: my laptop is booting currently
[04:40] <davyd> so it seems good
[04:40] <davyd> beagle seems broken
[04:40] <Kamion> there's a bug filed about xlibs-data
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[04:41] <mdke> Kamion, yeah i saw it
[04:41] <davyd> anyway, sleep
[04:41] <Kamion> you have to dpkg --force-overwrite -i either it or libx11-6 (can't remember which) for the moment
[04:41] <mdke> Kamion, its marked pendingupgrade so I figured it was better to wait rather than do some force-conflicts stuff
[04:42] <wasabi_> Morning
[04:43] <Kamion> --force-overwrite is safe in this context
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[04:45] <mdke> Kamion, is there a difference between that and --force-conflicts?
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[04:50] <mdke> Kamion, ok i did it and it worked, thanks
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[04:52] <Kamion> mdke: er, yes!
[04:52] <Kamion>   overwrite              Overwrite a file from one package with another
[04:52] <Kamion>   conflicts [!]           Allow installation of conflicting packages
[04:52] <Kamion> (dpkg --force-help)
[04:52] <Kamion> WARNING - use of options marked [!]  can seriously damage your installation.
[04:52] <mdke> oops
[04:52] <mdke> i did the [!]  one :p
[04:53] <Kamion> --force-conflicts is for packages tagged with the Conflicts header
[04:53] <mdke> oh well, that was in the bug report
[04:53] <Kamion> which is different from what are often confusingly called "file conflicts"
[04:54] <mdke> ok so am i likely to have seriously damaged my installation?
[04:54] <mdke> having done --force-conflicts -i libx11-6
[04:55] <mdke> if that is dangerous it might be worth noting in the bug report that the workaround posted is wrong
[04:56] <Kamion> no, I imagine not
[04:56] <Kamion> which bug is it? I'll correct it
[04:59] <mdke> Kamion, #12108, thanks
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[05:03] <Kamion> corrected
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[05:04] <mdke> Kamion, merci. Is there any need for me to undo what I did with the --force-conflicts?
[05:04] <daniels> not really
[05:04] <daniels> it's going to be fixed as soon as I test this fb patch
[05:04] <mdke> daniels, as long as I haven't done my system any harm :)
[05:06] <\sh> hmmm
[05:06] <\sh> is it ok to source upload the package described in: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11456
[05:07] <Kamion> mdke: n
[05:07] <Kamion> no
[05:08] <mdke> great, thanks for your help!
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[05:19] <eruin> thom, have you abandoned http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/ now that its in breezy main?
[05:22] <mdke> ok the rest of the hoary->breezy seems to have gone really well
[05:23] <mdke> except for some reason each kernel in the grub menu has two entries
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[05:27] <hubH> eruin: breezy
[05:41] <lsuactiafner> tseng 
[05:41] <lsuactiafner> this software patents vote, why aint the whole of freenode organising things to fight it?
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[05:58] <tseng> lsuactiafner: freenode is too busy soliciting donations and killing hub nodes
[06:00] <tseng> lsuactiafner: heh sorry.. did you ping me for something?
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[06:18] <tseng> dont do that, im a bad example
[06:18] <Lathiat> heh
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[06:48] <Nafallo> maswan: yea, works again :-).
[06:51] <trulux> anyone preparing the marbles for the LSM 2005?
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[07:00] <\sh> hmm...evolution with imap is crashing *cry*
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[07:14] <\sh> hmmm...
[07:14] <wasabi_> Hmm. Could the X move have messed up vncserver?
[07:16] <wasabi_> Yup, it did.
[07:16] <Burgundavia> fabbione, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46031
[07:19] <\sh> does anybody run evolution on breezy with an imap account?
[07:20] <wasabi_> I do.
[07:20] <\sh> did u have any crashes when u created an imap account? 
[07:20] <wasabi_> no
[07:20] <wasabi_> the imap account has been created for many upgrades though
[07:21] <\sh> can u try to create an imap account right now? cause when I tried it many of times now, evolution crashed all the time when I choose imap4 or imap4rev2
[07:22] <wasabi_> Yup, it does.
[07:23] <seb128> it crash on the account selection?
[07:23] <seb128> nothing specific to imap
[07:23] <\sh> i only tried with imap4
[07:23] <\sh> let me try pop3 or something else
[07:23] <wasabi_> yeah, crashes on everything.
[07:23] <\sh> ah and it crashed when I tried to edit an account ... I choosed "nothin" now 
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[07:31] <\sh> hmmm...gnome is at least completly broken in the moment ;)
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[07:42] <seb128> what's broken with GNOME?
[07:42] <seb128> for the account bug, downgrading to the hoary libglib2.0-0 fix the issue according to upstream comments
[07:45] <\sh> no...try to install straw
[07:45] <\sh> python-gnome2-extras doesn't want to install
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[07:45] <\sh> gdesklets
[07:45] <\sh> hmmm...w8
[07:46] <\sh> I had my fingers on straw
[07:47] <\sh> strange
[07:50] <\sh> if i install libgda2-3 by hand, then it worked installing straw *reallystrange*
[07:51] <Lathiat> that often happens when say
[07:51] <Lathiat> libgsa2-3 provides: something
[07:51] <Lathiat> straw depends: somethingt
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[08:15] <pablo> are you working to fix evo? I've not seen activity on that bug, evo now it's not usable, you can't read email, and the bug is unconfirmed yet :)
[08:16] <pablo> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12188 oh I see seb128's bug
[08:16] <pablo> =)
[08:16] <seb128> no my bug
[08:17] <seb128> I don't have a window box
[08:17] <highvoltage> seb128++
[08:17] <pablo> seb128 I had the same problem with the same version of evo when I build a garnome snapshot
[08:17] <seb128> evo-exchange bug?
[08:17] <pablo> *built
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[08:19] <pablo> seb128 obvios ;)
[08:19] <seb128> you should probably go upstream with the bug
[08:19] <pablo> hahah seb128 it's assigned for you :)
[08:19] <pablo> yhmmmm
[08:19] <pablo> uhmm
[08:19] <seb128> I don't know who has a exchange setup to work on this bug
[08:20] <pablo> Jeff Bailey
[08:20] <pablo> sorry seb128 :)
[08:20] <seb128> np
[08:21] <seb128> anyway, I'm away now, bbl
[08:21] <pablo> :)
[08:22] <\sh> but eclipse is running 
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[08:34] <pablo> for all those want to try evo there's a new version http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/evolution/2.3/evolution-2.3.4.tar.gz
[08:35] <pablo> without the bug I hope :/ so try it =)
[08:35] <ivoks> which bug?
[08:35] <pablo> ivoks, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12188
[08:36] <pablo> that's a genereal bug, 'cause I got it con garnome too, with the same evo version
[08:36] <pablo> general* con=with
[08:36] <pablo> ;)
[08:36] <pablo> sorry brb
[08:36] <ivoks> thanks
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[08:45] <wasabi_> doko, what do you think about integrating a update-gcj-classmaps script into gij?
[08:45] <wasabi_> It doesn't belong in Eclipse, and it doesn't belong in j-g-c
[08:45] <wasabi_> It belongs with gcj-dbtool.
[08:51] <daniels> gar debconf
[08:52] <wasabi_> Ooops
[08:52] <wasabi_> Somehow I had meant to put all that in anothe rchannel too.
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[09:13] <herzi> seb128_: ping
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[09:17] <wasabi_> When ya'll submit Ubuntu patches to Debian, do you tailor them up to remove the changelog entries for ubuntu?
[09:18] <daniels> it seems to be good form
[09:19] <wasabi_> We should get ongoing merge to do something like that. Combine all our entries into one. ;)
[09:19] <seb128> herzi: pong
[09:21] <herzi> seb128: can you tell me why gnome-cc didn't find xcursor-dev while building though it's in build-depends?
[09:21] <siretart> does anyone know about issues with gnomemeeting in hoary against gnomemeeting in sarge?
[09:22] <herzi> s/can you tell/do you know/
[09:22] <siretart> s/sarge/unstable/
[09:22] <siretart> I just tried a testcall, but the version from debian keeps crashing
[09:23] <seb128> herzi: maybe the current xorg's changelog?
[09:23] <seb128> herzi: pkg-config files moved to fix ftbfses
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[09:27] <pablo> wtf http://www.renewnyc.com/images_WMS/freedom_tower/model_view_southwest_8x10-5_RGB-wmark.jpg
[09:27] <pablo> that's so pretty
[09:27] <pablo> the new building on wordl trace center <-
[09:28] <mitsuhiko> pablo: don't like it
[09:28] <Treenaks> world trace center?
[09:28] <mitsuhiko> yes
[09:28] <pablo> Treenaks does sound you september 11?
[09:28] <pablo> :)
[09:28] <Treenaks> pablo: that was the World Trade Center
[09:29] <Treenaks> pablo: the World Trace Center sounds like CIA HQ or something
[09:29] <mitsuhiko> Treenaks: ^^
[09:30] <pablo> http://www.renewnyc.com/News/mediaresources.asp more photos
[09:32] <pablo> somebody knows why appear that wanings? libtool: link: warning: `/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.1/../../..//libglib-2.0.la' seems to be moved
[09:32] <pablo> thanks :)
[09:35] <wasabi_> haha im a retard
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[10:09] <lamont> dholbach: setting up breezy-autotest is an in-progress project
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[11:08] <Burgundavia> should the new gnome-panel have the ff official logo?
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[11:20] <pablo> how can I adjust the bonobo path setting? I want to build evo myself :/
[11:21] <pablo> /usr/lib/bonobo-activation/bonobo-activation-server
[11:21] <pablo> thanks
[11:26] <mdke> Burgundavia, yes apparently so
[11:26] <mdke> the gnome icon set has the ff logo now
[11:27] <Burgundavia> hmm
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[11:54] <pablo> please
[11:54] <pablo> the evo packager! :(
[11:54] <pablo> 2.3.4 version, to use it :(
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