[12:01] <zip_> so.. any ideas for "/dev/sequencer: File not found" error?
[12:03] <yuacht> zip_, no sequencer plugged it?
[12:03] <yuacht> in*
[12:04] <mwe> zip_, I get the /dev/sequencer no such device when I run frozen-bubble. it works anyway though
[12:05] <shamus> hey, i'm having problems with my ubuntu install. it installed and had me reboot but now it's saying xserver isnt configured
[12:05] <shamus> and i don't know what to do
[12:05] <tina_> someone knows how can i configure my ubuntu to play dvd?
[12:05] <shamus> also, it didn't have me setup a root acount, what is the default login?
[12:05] <nalioths_dog> tina_: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[12:06] <tina_> i have alreadfy donwload the xine player but it gives me some errors
[12:06] <mwe> shamus, use sudo
[12:06] <tina_> ok
[12:06] <mwe> shamus, if you want a root password sudo passwd root
[12:07] <topyli> hrm. live 8 webcast no worky :(
[12:07] <shamus> so login is sudo password is root?
[12:07] <zip_> mwe: indeed, but then i get a segmentation fault and SDL parachute
[12:07] <mwe> shamus, login is your user login
[12:07] <mayco> somebody has an idea why libwnck hasn't entered the repository's yet, however the compile was succesfull and later packages are already added?
[12:07] <shamus> and pass is sudo?
[12:07] <shamus> and then i'll have root?
[12:07] <mwe> shamus, no
[12:08] <shamus> oh
[12:08] <shamus> it's root
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> shamus: sudo is a command
[12:08] <mwe> shamus, you made a user account during install, right
[12:08] <shamus> correct
[12:08] <nalioths_dog> shamus: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> shamus: you put sudo before another command to give root permissions to a command
[12:08] <dabi> where can i manually edit the list of programs what starts with gnome? not with gnome-session-properities
[12:08] <topyli> what the hell is aol using for their webcasting?
[12:08] <shamus> thanks guys
[12:08] <mwe> shamus, login as that user and use the sudo command
[12:09] <mwe> shamus, sudo passwd root to create a root password
[12:09] <tiglionabbit> dabi: you mean not using system -> prefs -> sessions ?
[12:09] <shamus> and to configure xserver, a friend said that, apt-get install gdm then rc-update add gdm default should fix it
[12:09] <shamus> will that work?
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> shamus: on ubuntu, xorg and gdm should already be installed by default
[12:10] <dabi> tiglionabbit: yes but manually... ive got a script there what logs out... (my friend had fun with it......)
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> dabi: o
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> =p
[12:10] <Nova-A001> Is it possible to create shortcuts to folders on the desktop?
[12:10] <dabi> tiglionabbit: i mean edit the list manually
[12:10] <rcec52> I've got Gnome 64 bit on my other system but also want to put KDE 64 bit  on the same system. . . .Seems that in order to get KDE to work properly I've got to install Gnome first then get KDE installed
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> Nova-A001: yes
[12:10] <nalioth> Nova-A001: yes
[12:10] <Nova-A001> Pray tell?
[12:11] <shamus> tiglionabbit: what do i need to do to configure xserver then?
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> Nova-A001: right-click on a folder, and click on "make link"
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> Nova-A001: then drag it where you want it
[12:11] <dabi> tiglionabbit: anyway or am i doomed..? :P
[12:11] <Nova-A001> tis grayed out.
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> dabi: no, you just ned someone with more knowledge
[12:11] <Nova-A001> its in /mnt
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> Nova-A001: you probably shouldn't link to things that are mounted but not in fstab.  Is it in fstab?
[12:11] <Nova-A001> Yep.
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> Nova-A001: also, that is a quirk of gnome...  you can create a symlink though
[12:12] <Nova-A001> Automounted at startup.
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> is it ntfs?
[12:12] <dabi> tiglionabbit: emn.. how can you know my knowledge? :P eh just kidding... doesnt it save it on any file?
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> dabi: you should probably look in /etc/X11
[12:12] <flugh_> ever brainfart and type 'pseudo' instead of 'sudo'?
[12:12] <Nova-A001> Yes, readonly. Also a fat32 partiton as vfat readwrite.
[12:12] <rcec52> KDE has a bug that causes the wifi settings and network setting to lock up and not allow the user to enter the administrator password to set up the settings properly. . . thus you've got install Gnome and then download and install KDE using Synatpit.
[12:12] <dabi> tiglionabbit: "scanned out" not there..
[12:12] <_SWAT_> my Ubuntu doesn't recognize my primary IDE device on my secondary IDE channel (Pioneer DVD writer). Anyone got any ideas? (somehow disabling DMA worked, partially). Anyone got a 'permanent' solution? (I'm not the only one with this problem)
[12:12] <FR500> hello
[12:13] <FR500> how can i mount a dvd iso?
[12:13] <_SWAT_> FR500, mount -o loop -t iso9660,udf /dvdisoplace /mountplace
[12:13] <tiglionabbit> Nova-A001: well that's why you can't make a link from the gui-- because it has nowhere to write it to.  To make a symlink from terminal, open up a terminal and type `ln -s thefileyourelinkingto linknameyourecreating
[12:13] <FR500> thank yo
[12:14] <rcec52> Are there any special kernel modules written that will support Creative Blaster Live sound cards?
[12:14] <_SWAT_> rcec52, why do you want to know?
[12:14] <rcec52> I've got one. . . .
[12:14] <_SWAT_> So ?
[12:14] <iris_> whoo, first message from a freshly installed ubuntu on a g3 mac! :D
[12:14] <sham> argghh wireless networks are hell
[12:14] <_SWAT_> I have an audigy2 and use also. I've got sound :P
[12:14] <Strife> rcec52: emu10k1
[12:14] <rcec52> Thankyou. ... .
[12:15] <nalioth> iris_: welcome
[12:15] <rcec52> How do I go about geting and installing emu10k1?
[12:15] <_SWAT_> you'll have to compile ALSA yourself, I did it, and got perfect sound :D
[12:15] <marcelcole> hello
[12:16] <marcelcole> what are some alternatives to GNOME and KDE?
[12:16] <rcec52> So you have to install all of the Alsa software using synaptic?
[12:16] <Nova-A001> tiglionabbit: I want to link partiton, Knoppix style, not a sinle file.
[12:16] <_randabis> xfce
[12:16] <_randabis> blackbox
[12:16] <nalioth> marcelcole: xfce4, fluxbox, enlightenment, and on and on
[12:16] <_randabis> fluxbox
[12:16] <_randabis> e17 lolz
[12:16] <mwe> ubuntu doesn't already have the emu10k1 module?
[12:16] <_randabis> mwe it does
[12:16] <_SWAT_> rcec52, no COMPILE it yourself (it's somewhere on the fora)
[12:16] <mwe> I thought so
[12:17] <sham> sorry about that, still haven't found a stable channel
[12:17] <marcelcole> What is the best one to use? (I'm looking for simple, like.. program button then open tasks then tray and time)
[12:17] <_randabis> hmm
[12:17] <rcec52> Thanks. . ..
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> Nova-A001: link to partition?  Well, you can make a link to the directory where it's mounted.  Also, I'm sure there is a way you can configure nautilus to show your volumes on desktop or under computer.  Google around and check the forums.  Konqueror does it
[12:18] <marcelcole> What is the best one to use? (I'm looking for simple, like.. program button then open tasks then tray and time)
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> marcelcole: what are you talking about?
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> oh, window managers
[12:18] <randabis> marcelcole: depends on your preferences
[12:18] <marcelcole> Yeah
[12:18] <randabis> you need to try them all and see what you like the best
[12:18] <jtan325> try xfce4, fluxbox, icewm
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> marcelcole: well, xfce4 and fluxbox are quite light
[12:18] <jtan325> those are the typical alternatives to gnome/kde
[12:19] <cmatheson> does anyone in here use xawtv?
[12:19] <omniscient> marcelcole, fluxbox is nice
[12:19] <jtan325> fluxbox is probably the most bare-bones but highly customizable of them
[12:19] <marcelcole> I think I might just switch to KDE from GNOME
[12:19] <randabis> I stick with kde for the moment
[12:19] <asimismo> I like XFCE. And I just got here...
[12:19] <omniscient> marcelcole, you dont have a button for apps but you have a right click menu
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> marcelcole: kde takes more resources but looks better
[12:19] <marcelcole> yeah
[12:19] <Nova-A001> screw this, im just gonna switch to kubuntu.
[12:19] <marcelcole> I've got the resources to spare
[12:19] <Nova-A001> thanks anyway...
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> Nova-A001: you don't have to "switch"
[12:20] <randabis> heh I find gnome to use more resources nowadays
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> Nova-A001: you can just install "kubuntu-desktop" and have them both
[12:20] <marcelcole> :D
[12:20] <Michel> Nova-A001, you just have to discover what to install :)
[12:20] <marcelcole> apt-get is godly
[12:20] <randabis> my old laptop runs much snappier with kde than it does with gnome hehe
[12:20] <marcelcole> Is the Dell Inspiron 5160 laptop wirelss network card suppored on ubuntu?
[12:21] <cmatheson> marcelcole:  i like openboxa lot
[12:21] <misfit_toy> randabis, that's because kde is for 'old' systems, heheh
[12:21] <randabis> marcelcole: depends on the chipset probably
[12:21] <Nova-A001> Ubuntu is the easiest Linux distro, and yet im fiddling around with scripts and terminals. I feel sorry for all the AOL'ers that try to switch.
[12:21] <randabis> misfit_toy: pfft
[12:22] <randabis> Nova-A001: linux is linux, get used to it
[12:22] <tiglionabbit> Nova-A001: well no linux is simple enough for people who've never touched it, unless you don't want to change anything
[12:22] <tiglionabbit> Nova-A001: just bear with it.  It'll make you smart eventually
[12:22] <asimismo> Grub question, ya'll. Getting an Error 17 on boot. Trying te set up raid1 and evms. I think I've about got it if I could just boot...
[12:22] <tiglionabbit> asimismo: error 17: cannot find volumes
[12:22] <jtan325> so what's the equivalent of defragmenting in linux?
[12:22] <jtan325> what programs?
[12:23] <tiglionabbit> jtan325: I think it's fsck
[12:23] <misfit_toy> randabis, lol, it was a joke, that kde vs gnome thing just leaves me cold! however I do prefer gnome, simplicity in its finest.
[12:23] <asimismo> tiglionabbit: Yeah, seen that. But not really sure what to do next. Raid1 and evms confuse things a bit as far as Googling for help.
[12:23] <Nova-A001> heh...thanks anyway. *wanders off*
[12:24] <randabis> misfit_toy: touche, but I don't really see what's so unsimplistic about kde
[12:24] <nalioth> jtan325: linux doesnt have fragmenting as you know it
[12:24] <nalioth> jtan325: linux fs don't slop data around like MS does
[12:25] <mwe> of course linux has fragmentation too
[12:25] <jtan325> nalioth: ahh yes
[12:25] <tiglionabbit> asimismo: heh, well I've never used more than just some simple ext3 partitioning, so I wouldn't know.  sorry.  You could post a detailed question to ubuntuforums.org though
[12:25] <jtan325> no, if you're using ext3.... doesn't jfs mean no fragmentation?
[12:25] <marcelcole> All I need is kubuntu-desktop for using KDE?
[12:26] <nalioth> mwe: i didnt say linux was 'fragment-free' i said that it doesn't have frags like MS has frags
[12:26] <tiglionabbit> marcelcole: yes
[12:26] <asimismo> tiglionabbit. Might do that. Thot maybe someone would have a coupla trouble-shooting steps. I suspect it's an easy fix...
[12:26] <asimismo> I just don't know Linux booting that well.
[12:27] <marcelcole> It asks for my f'in ubuntu cd!
[12:27] <marcelcole> which I don't have
[12:27] <marcelcole> How do I get around that?
[12:27] <nalioth> marcelcole: edit it out of your sources.list
[12:27] <eric__> how do i install libdvdcss?
[12:27] <marcelcole> k
[12:27] <nalioth> marcelcole: or rather, comment it out
[12:28] <nalioths_dog> eric__: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[12:28] <eric__> will do
[12:28] <randabis> eric__: it's in backports I believe
[12:29] <marcelcole> whats the command again to fix broken packages?
[12:30] <shamus> can someone help me configure x server? I have no idea what i'm doing
[12:30] <tiglionabbit> shamus: `dpkg-reconfigure xorg`  ?
[12:30] <concept10> anyone familiar with editing gnome themes?  is there some xml editor made for that?
[12:31] <shamus> i'll have to reboot and go try it, its installed on this machine
[12:31] <shamus> thanks
[12:31] <nalioth> shamus wait
[12:31] <misfit_toy> concept10, I now have 4 ubuntu boxen here, FC is gone, oops.
[12:31] <shamus> 'kay
[12:31] <concept10> misfit_toy, lol
[12:31] <nalioth> shamus its "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[12:31] <concept10> misfit_toy, you are a wild man
[12:32] <nalioth> misfit_toy: rulez!
[12:32] <misfit_toy> concept10, isn't there some editing stuff at art.gnome.org?
[12:32] <marcelcole> whats the command to repair broken packages?
[12:32] <concept10> misfit_toy,  im looking
[12:32] <marcelcole> ok
[12:32] <misfit_toy> concept10, I guess maybe I am, ubuntu is loading on my daughter's compaq laptop right now.
[12:32] <nalioth> marcelcole: from a terminal "sudo apt-get -f install" with no pkgs specified
[12:32] <misfit_toy> ok, gotta go cook some steaks and potatoes and asparagus...mmmm
[12:32] <misfit_toy> bbl
[12:33] <tiglionabbit> marcelcole: apt-get --fix-broken ?
[12:33] <marcelcole> thx
[12:33] <concept10> misfit_toy, did you not like fc4?
[12:34] <marcelcole> damn
[12:34] <marcelcole> I try to sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop and it won't work
[12:35] <nalioth> marcelcole: what does it tell you?
[12:35] <tiglionabbit> marcelcole: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:35] <marcelcole> unmet dependencies: kubuntu-desktop: Depends: konversation but is not going to be installed
[12:35] <marcelcole> E: Broken packages
[12:35] <tiglionabbit> marcelcole: oh.  Well, add some sources
[12:36] <tiglionabbit> hey dudes
[12:36] <nalioth> marcelcole: what does your sources.list look like? use pastebin.com
[12:36] <marcelcole> ok
[12:36] <tiglionabbit> a friend of mine has a binary that is compiled "for red hat 9".  Do you think it will run on Fedora?  or Ubuntu even?  Just curious
[12:37] <marcelcole> where is sources.list lol
[12:37] <tiglionabbit> marcelcole: /etc/apt/sources.list   uh, learn to use the locate command
[12:37] <concept10> tiglionabbit, try to find a new binary, it may not work because of that, you can try alien
[12:37] <mwe> tiglionabbit, if it's compiled for you arch and doesn't have weird deps
[12:37] <gm78> tiglionabbit, depends on whether it was statically compiled or not, and on a lot of other factors....if it specifically lists red hat 9, then it probably wont work
[12:37] <KillerSmurf> does anyone know of an open source alteritive to Finale (music composing program)
[12:38] <concept10> tiglionabbit, what is it?
[12:38] <concept10> KillerSmurf, you want a sequencer?
[12:38] <tiglionabbit> what it is is a PSP development tool, and I believe it's compiled for security reasons, not open source
[12:39] <gm78> http://members.shaw.ca/ryan_mcgregor/screenshot.png    Hey everyone, should this be scaring me? I have the side off my computer right now and nothing looks funny
[12:39] <tiglionabbit> just trying to save a friend an install of red hat 9 where it might not be necessary...  heh
[12:39] <marcelcole> heres my sources.list
[12:39] <marcelcole> http://pastebin.com/306614
[12:39] <gm78> tiglionabbit, well what program is it?
[12:39] <jtan325> has anyone gotten captive-ntfs to work in ubuntu?
[12:39] <tiglionabbit> gm78: something from sony for developing for the PSP
[12:39] <gm78> tiglionabbit, if it is open source you can most likely get the source code off the net or a package for ubuntu
[12:40] <tiglionabbit> it isn't open source
[12:40] <gm78> tiglionabbit, and they dont offer it on rhel, fedora, suse or anything like that? just red hat 9?
[12:41] <tiglionabbit> gm78: according to my friend who works for sony, yes
[12:41] <nalioth> marcelcole: try using apt to just install konversation
[12:41] <gm78> As far as I can tell all my fans seem to be running, and the temps are never going above 46 degrees, they normally stay around 42, but it says that fan isnt spinning. i have my computer open and i cant see a fan not spinning
[12:41] <concept10> tiglionabbit, use alien
[12:42] <tiglionabbit> you can use that on binaries?  not just rpms?
[12:42] <gm78> http://members.shaw.ca/ryan_mcgregor/Screenshot.png  Sorry all, this is a correct link
[12:42] <marcelcole> it said this when I tried to apt-get konversation
[12:42] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: if its a binary, it should work here
[12:42] <marcelcole> http://pastebin.com/306615
[12:43] <concept10> tiglionabbit, you have many options, you can make a rpm convert with alien, make a deb, try the binary, recompile on your system, etc
[12:43] <nalioth> marcelcole: comment out your backports lines, then update your apt
[12:43] <tiglionabbit> concept10: I said it wasn't open source, and not available as an rpm
[12:44] <concept10> tiglionabbit, you can turn a binary to a rpm, open source or not, but just try and run it
[12:44] <tiglionabbit> grr, I'm trying to convince my friend to give it to me, but he says he'd be fired if he distributed it
[12:44] <marcelcole> It worked
[12:44] <marcelcole> thanks a billion :)
[12:45] <marcelcole> How do I switch to kubuntu after I get it?
[12:45] <tiglionabbit> marcelcole: at gdm, click on sessions
[12:45] <concept10> I wouldnt distribute proprietary development tools either
[12:45] <marcelcole> ah
[12:45] <marcelcole> okay
[12:45] <marcelcole> :)
[12:46] <tiglionabbit> marcelcole: you can run both at the same time if you want.  Go to applications -> system tools -> new login.  Then you can switch between em with control-alt-F7 and F8
[12:46] <marcelcole> :o
[12:46] <marcelcole> tight
[12:46] <marcelcole> >:)
[12:46] <marcelcole> Is cedega free?
[12:47] <marcelcole> What are the chances of my USB External Typhoon Modem working with linux?
[12:47] <iris_> Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 PR/PRO AGP 4x TMDS: does this one have 3d acceleration in xorg?
[12:48] <iris_> marcelcole, you can get cedega via cvs
[12:49] <iris_> but it doesnt feature 3rd party licenced stuff like some copy protection support then
[12:49] <marcelcole> how do I get it from CVS?
[12:50] <iris_> there are howtos everywhere
[12:50] <iris_> just do a cvs checkout
[12:50] <iris_> compile & install
[12:50] <asimismo> I run 'find /boot/grub/stage1' in grub and get a File not found. Any help on what to do about it?
[12:50] <marcelcole> ok
[12:50] <chonny69> i'm trying to install logitech quickcam
[12:50] <iris_> i only know of a german howto on holarse.de.. if you speak german, check it out.. if not you may get the idea by reading the console commandos
[12:51] <iris_> used in the howto
[12:51] <chonny69> i went to the forum and followed instructions
[12:51] <marcelcole> I have a NVidia Geforce FX Go5200, how do I edit its settings for tv output and such?
[12:51] <chonny69> but when i do $ sudo apt-get build-dep linux-source-2.6.10, i get E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory)
[12:51] <iris_> marcelcole, i think there is something in nvidia-settings
[12:52] <iris_> install nvidia-settings via apt and run it.. also read the documentation in /usr/doc/ on howto use nvidia-settings
[12:55] <MantasV> hi again. Can anyone explain, how I can modify cuch folders like lib or etc ?
[12:56] <mwe> MantasV, could you elaborate?
[12:56] <MantasV> I'm trying to manually install my winmodem :|
[12:56] <MantasV> elaborate?
[12:56] <iris_> MantasV, what has this to do with lib/ & etc/?
[12:56] <MantasV> to move some files in these folders
[12:57] <mwe> MantasV, you want to modify cuch folders like lib and etc. I don
[12:57] <mwe> I don't get it
[12:57] <iris_> MantasV, you know sudo?
[12:57] <Heimdall> is Amule good ?
[12:57] <MantasV> yes
[12:57] <iris_> Heimdall, amule looks old, but does everything you want from an edonkey client
[12:57] <glDaher> hi, I can't find /etc/init.d/smb
[12:58] <glDaher> I should do .../smb restart
[12:58] <MantasV> hmm
[12:58] <MantasV> so what should i write?
[12:58] <iris_> Heimdall, the newest amule version is in ubuntu backports
[12:58] <iris_> MantasV, learn hoto use sudo
[12:58] <Heimdall> iris_, what is famous now to p2p downloads
[12:59] <MantasV> ok, I'll try :)
[12:59] <iris_> "gksudo nautilus" will start nautilus with root priviliges, then you can modify files in /etc
[12:59] <chonny69> Heimdall, sorry for overhearing, but you should totally go on Kazaa and download as many metallica songs as you can
[12:59] <iris_> Heimdall, you mean good p2p software on linux?
[01:00] <chonny69> you'll get a surprise from a nice organization called the RIAA if you live in the states
[01:00] <iris_> MantasV, xchat
[01:00] <Heimdall> iris_, yes and also fast known servers
[01:00] <glDaher> oh samba not installed, sry ppl ... but strange thing is... samba-common was installed ... is this correct?
[01:00] <Heimdall> iris_, I heard that edonkey servers were slow now....
[01:00] <Heimdall> iris_, too many people
[01:00] <iris_> there are a lot out there
[01:00] <iris_> find a smaller one with less server load
[01:01] <Heimdall> iris_, do you know bittorrent ?
[01:01] <iris_> i doesnt matter what you hear.. just try amule.. if it does what you need take it, else leave it
[01:01] <iris_> bittorrent, sure :D
[01:01] <calc> anyone know if wpa works with ipw2200 yet?
[01:01] <iris_> ubuntu comes with gnome-bittorrent
[01:01] <Heimdall> iris_, is this good ?
[01:01] <kyncani> Does anyone have reports of palm tungsten e2 working/not working with ubuntu ?
[01:01] <iris_> yes
[01:02] <iris_> it rocks
[01:02] <synd> what all options do i have with my Palm and ubuntu?
[01:02] <Heimdall> lol
[01:02] <Heimdall> iris_, is GnomeBitTorrent a client for it ?
[01:02] <iris_> isohunt.com delivers nice search results
[01:02] <iris_> yes
[01:02] <iris_> just open a torrent file with it and it will work
[01:02] <mwe> calc, I'm sure you can find out on ipw2200.sf.net
[01:02] <Heimdall> azureus is good no ?
[01:02] <calc> mwe: ok
[01:03] <iris_> yes azureus is a more advanced program that gives you more info and control
[01:03] <iris_> it requires a jre though
[01:03] <synd> what all options do i have with my Palm and ubuntu?
[01:03] <Heimdall> iris_, yeah I have it already (jre)
[01:03] <calc> hmm wpasupplicant is packaged in universe, seems it might work :)
[01:04] <iris_> Heimdall, well get azureus gtk2 version then and have fun
[01:04] <calc> cool there is a wpa howto for ubuntu now :)
[01:04] <topyli> synd: gnome-pilot should sync it with evolution i guess. i don't have a palm though :)
[01:04] <iris_> synd, i know there are some programs out there for palm.. i dont have one
[01:05] <Heimdall> iris_,  : http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/azureus/Azureus_2.3.0.4_linux.GTK.tar.bz2?download this one ?
[01:05] <calc> still need to get ACPI S1 working though
[01:05] <iris_> yes.
[01:05] <Heimdall> okaaaay thx
[01:06] <zenlunatic> anyone use epiphany?
[01:06] <jtan325> does anyone know how to "build the kernel moduel" using module-assistant?
[01:08] <kyncani> jtan325: which module do you want to build ?
[01:09] <jtan325> uhh... is there such a thing as the "kernel module"?
[01:09] <jtan325> i just built the lufs module successfully using module-assistant
[01:10] <jtan325> essentially i am trying to run this command, "sudo /usr/share/lufs/prepmod"
[01:10] <jtan325> and it keeps compaining about "failed to prepare lufs.ko module.... /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build do not appear to be vlaid
[01:10] <jtan325> *valid
[01:11] <jtan325> any ideas?
[01:11] <truz24> How do i install j2eesdk-1_4_01?  Apparently the version @ sun.java.com uses a different version of libstdc++
[01:11] <JHK> jtan325: you try to install captive ntfs?
[01:11] <jtan325> JHK: yes that is what i'm trying to do
[01:13] <JHK> jtan325: if youll get it, please post it in the forum, i stranded there also
[01:13] <jtan325> ok
[01:13] <jtan325> i swear, i've installed every kernel header possible
[01:13] <jtan325> and linux header
[01:13] <jtan325> and everything
[01:13] <jtan325> kyncani: did i make any sense as to which module i want to build?
[01:14] <kyncani> jtan325: i don't know about captive ntfs, but if you want lufs, i think you just have to "module-assistant auto-install lufs"
[01:14] <kyncani> and then modprobe lufs
[01:14] <jtan325> kyncani: yeah, i did that
[01:15] <kyncani> jtan325: well, you do have the lufs kernel module working then, right ?
[01:15] <jtan325> i think so...
[01:15] <jtan325> how do i test that
[01:16] <X7C> blah
[01:16] <jtan325> i just did sudo /usr/share/lufs/prepmod lufs and that failed
[01:16] <X7C> :)
[01:16] <kyncani> jtan325: lsmod | grep lufs  will show you if the lufs kernel module is in kernel
[01:16] <kyncani> jtan325: you'll have to get some doc on the web to test some lufs mount
[01:17] <jtan325> oh man that didn't do anything, the lsmod | grep lufs
[01:17] <kyncani> jtan325: the auto-install thing went ok ? what "modprobe lufs" told you ?
[01:18] <jtan325> uh oh, that complains about a FATAL error
[01:19] <kyncani> jtan325: the auto-install thing or the modprobe thing ?
[01:19] <kyncani> what error ?
[01:19] <jtan325> modprobe
[01:19] <jtan325> "unknown symbol in module..."
[01:20] <hobbit> lo
[01:20] <jtan325> is this the wrong command to install lufs, "sudo module-assistant auto-install lufs"?
[01:20] <kyncani> the auto-install command is good
[01:20] <jtan325> i mean, the auto-install didn't seem to have errors or anything
[01:21] <jtan325> ok....
[01:21] <kyncani> yeah, some bug somewhere. Don't know, google for lufs "unknown symbol" and good luck :] 
[01:23] <Michel> How do I run OpenOffice 2?
[01:23] <Ahab> should be in the 'applications' menu
[01:24] <Ahab> then again, that's not version 2
[01:25] <Ahab> i apologize for my cluelessness
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> Michel: you could install it from openoffice.org
[01:25] <Michel> I installed it from synaptic
[01:25] <Burgundavia> Michel, it is in the universe component, as openoffice2
[01:25] <Michel> It does appear in the menus
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> oh, listen to Burgundavia
[01:25] <Burgundavia> Michel, it should install into the menus
[01:25] <Ahab> cool, i'll have to pick it up via synaptic
[01:25] <truz24> How do i install j2eesdk-1_4_01?  Apparently the version @ sun.java.com uses a different version of libstdc++
[01:25] <gotonpo> gotonpo hi
[01:25] <Michel> but I was wondering why the command line one keeps calling the version 1.1
[01:26] <Burgundavia> Michel, because the binary for OO.o2 has a 2 in the name
[01:26] <tiglionabbit> Michel: say `which` before the command, to see which it refers to.  You can make an alias, use apropos to find the other command, uh
[01:26] <Burgundavia> Michel, to allow parallel installs
[01:26] <Michel> oh there's oocalc2 oowriter2 etc :)
[01:26] <Michel> Guess that works
[01:26] <glDaher> I have a problem setting samba... I have enabled the guest user  = nobody
[01:26] <jtan325> has anyone in this room gotten captive-ntfs working at all?
[01:27] <glDaher> but on the windows machine, I enter the username nobody
[01:27] <glDaher> but still doesn't go through
[01:27] <tiglionabbit> glDaher: I believe samba uses a different username list
[01:27] <Ahab> tried getting captive to work
[01:27] <Ahab> no dice
[01:28] <Ahab> tried forever
[01:28] <jtan325> yeah it's weird though
[01:28] <jtan325> i follow these instructions that other ubuntu users have posted
[01:28] <Ahab> yeah i know because it seems to work for the rest of the linux world
[01:28] <jtan325> and they just don't work
[01:28] <Ahab> yeah me too
[01:28] <TokenBad> whats a newsgroup program for ubuntu?
[01:29] <tiglionabbit> TokenBad: uh...  PINE!  =P
[01:29] <Ahab> did you try all that stuff posted by that badri dude on the forums?
[01:29] <TokenBad> haven't used it before
[01:29] <TokenBad> how use it?
[01:30] <jtan325> Ahab: link?
[01:30] <jtan325> Ahab: probably did, though ;-)
[01:30] <Ahab> hang on, let me dig it up
[01:30] <gotonpo> why does bitchx tell me i have 5 pieces of mail!
[01:30] <Ahab> didn't work for me though
[01:30] <tiglionabbit> TokenBad: I'm sure you could use any email client for newsgroups.  I'm not very familiar with newsgroups though.  I just said pine because it's an old commandline email client with newsgroup support.  One which you proabbly wouldn't like
[01:30] <glDaher> tiglionabbit: thx, just checked my smb.conf and nothing I can find there...
[01:30] <gotonpo> i mean 4 pieces!
[01:30] <lsuactiafner> gotonpo : becuase you do have 5 pieces of mail
[01:30] <nalioth> TokenBad: use pan for newsgroups
[01:30] <gotonpo> how do i check them!
[01:30] <tiglionabbit> gotonpo: say 'mail'
[01:30] <gotonpo> mail
[01:30] <gotonpo> :(
[01:31] <Seveas> TokenBad, pan is good for newsgroups
[01:31] <lsuactiafner> !mail
[01:31] <ubotu> lsuactiafner: I give up, what is it?
[01:31] <lsuactiafner> i think, type mail
[01:31] <gotonpo> i don't see any mail commands at all
[01:31] <gotonpo> !mail
[01:31] <Ahab> jitan325: on the forums he
[01:32] <lsuactiafner> just type mail
[01:32] <tiglionabbit> gotonpo: type it in a terminal
[01:32] <lsuactiafner> in a terminal
[01:32] <Ahab> on the forumss he's badriram
[01:32] <lsuactiafner> not in bithx
[01:32] <gotonpo> gotcha
[01:32] <gotonpo> thanks
[01:33] <Ahab> jitan325: there's this that i tried... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10175&highlight=captive
[01:33] <jtan325> Seveas: do you know anything about captive-ntfs?
[01:33] <Ahab> Seveas: yeah i want to know too
[01:33] <Seveas> jtan325, not more than that I once spotted an ubuntu/debian package for it
[01:33] <Seveas> Never used it
[01:33] <nalioth> that was a nasty trick
[01:34] <jtan325> Ahab: yeah that's what i tried
[01:34] <nalioth> jtan325: Ahab: would you compile a linux kernel with a windows library?
[01:34] <gotonpo> can anyone recommend a better command line irc program?
[01:34] <gotonpo> than bitchx?
[01:34] <gotonpo> or is it the top?
[01:34] <Seveas> irssi
[01:34] <nalioth> when i type "mail" does it call some nassty program like emacs or vi?
[01:34] <jtan325> nalioth: probably not
[01:34] <nalioth> gotonpo: irssi
[01:34] <Seveas> bitchx is crap compared to irssi
[01:34] <Seveas> nalioth, no just mail
[01:34] <gotonpo> thanks. i'll try irssi
[01:35] <Seveas> with an even less intuitive interface than emacs :)
[01:35] <jtan325> nalioth: but i have a 250GB USB external hard drive, i'd rather take my chances
[01:35] <Ahab> nalioth: no. no idea i would do that
[01:35] <Ahab> *how
[01:35] <gotonpo> exit
[01:35] <lsuactiafner> bx rocks.. i only use bx
[01:35] <nalioth> Seveas: does mail use vi or emacs keybindings?
[01:35] <Seveas> nalioth, neither :)
[01:35] <jtan325> Seveas: do you know to build the kernel using module-assistant?
[01:35] <Seveas> jtan325, with module-assistant you build modules, not a complete kernel...
[01:36] <nalioth> i ran mail, and had to quit the terminal to close it
[01:36] <Seveas> nalioth, q<enter>
[01:36] <jtan325> or do you know anything about a "detected linux kernel sources /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build" do not appear to be valid?
[01:36] <jtan325> this occurs when i do "sudo /usr/share/lufs/prepmod
[01:36] <Ahab> same
[01:36] <Seveas> jtan325, you need linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed for module assistant to work
[01:37] <jtan325> yeah
[01:37] <jtan325> i did that
[01:37] <wulfepup> hi guys
[01:38] <wulfepup> What does this error mean and how do I fix it? E: gtkboard:  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 9
[01:38] <wulfepup> It's happening on every new Synaptic intall ...
[01:38] <Ahab> jitan325: so did i
[01:39] <Ahab> i don't think captive is good to go for ubuntu
[01:39] <jtan325> yeah
[01:39] <jtan325> but that kind of sucks though
[01:39] <Ahab> yeah i know
[01:39] <Burgundavia> Ahab, captive requires the original drivers
[01:39] <Ahab> no worries on that
[01:39] <jtan325> Burgundavia: what do you mean?
[01:39] <Seveas> wulfepup, yeah the gtkboard package is fubar
[01:39] <Seveas> file a bug about it :)
[01:39] <Ahab> captive requires the original windows .dlls to work
[01:39] <Burgundavia> captive ntfs requires the original ntfs drivers from ms
[01:39] <Ahab> yeah
[01:40] <jtan325> is that not we have?
[01:40] <Ahab> i thought it just pulled them out of service pack 2, downloaded straight off MS's website
[01:40] <Burgundavia> knoppix does it by harvesting them off a service pack or your harddrive
[01:40] <jtan325> oh... so SP2 fubars it
[01:40] <Ahab> well, it's supposed to
[01:40] <Ahab> what captive-ntfs install is supposed to do is download SP2 for you and use those
[01:41] <jtan325> wait, i thought it's supposed to use the "original" windows files, meaning pre-SP2
[01:41] <jtan325> that kind of makes sense...
[01:42] <Burgundavia> jtan325, afaik, it can use sp2 drivers as well
[01:42] <jtan325> hmmm
[01:42] <wulfepup> Seveas:  being fairly new to the scene...what is gtkboard and how do I file a bug?
[01:42] <nalioth> jtan325: Ahab it doesnt matter where they come from, it looks on your system
[01:42] <jtan325> Burgundavia: so then any idea on why it doesn't work?
[01:42] <Burgundavia> jtan325, nope, don't have a windows install anymore
[01:42] <nalioth> i think you guys are brave pioneers, running captive ntfs
[01:42] <tiglionabbit> wulfepup: gtkboard is a board-game thing
[01:42] <huleo65> hello i would like someone to tell me how to watch video with ubuntu
[01:42] <jtan325> nalioth: actually, i skipped the "scan my system" option and went straight for the internet download
[01:42] <huleo65> please
[01:43] <jtan325> could that be the problem?
[01:43] <Burgundavia> huleo65, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:43] <tiglionabbit> huleo65: you probably want to read restricted
[01:43] <wulfepup> thanks tiglionabbit
[01:43] <huleo65> y
[01:43] <tiglionabbit> thank Burgundavia, he told you the url
[01:43] <Ahab> jitan325: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/6261
[01:43] <tiglionabbit> oh wait
[01:43] <nalioth> jtan325: i hve no clue
[01:44] <Ahab> not a solution, but more info, anyway
[01:44] <huleo65> thanks all
[01:44] <Miks> has anyone tried a wireless pci adapter in ubuntu?
[01:44] <nalioth> jtan325: Ahab: instead of loading a windows lib into your kernelspace, why not try qemu?
[01:45] <Ahab> qemu? what's that?  (reaches for google)
[01:46] <jtan325> ah. alternatively, we could run vmware or something
[01:46] <Miks> how can i know my kernel source directory?
[01:46] <nalioth> i think qemu is better than vmware
[01:46] <Ahab> ok
[01:47] <lsuactiafner> qemu free?
[01:47] <tiglionabbit> hey guys, is there anything like OpenCanvas for linux?
[01:47] <Ahab> qemu free? yep
[01:47] <wulfepup> Miks:  I have a blitzz pci card in my desktop at home, but haven't tried any Linux there yet.... the Ad-Hoc is getting painfull .. and running the laptop in Linux is bad enough on that.. I'll be getting a AP soon though... and after that I can let you know....
[01:47] <nickrud> I personally would wish for the cash to compare vmware to qemu
[01:47] <Ahab> lookin' at the website right now
[01:48] <nalioth> nickrud: yes that would be nice
[01:48] <lsuactiafner> cool
[01:48] <nalioth> nickrud: and while wishing, make sure to wish for the umpteen million per year to live on while testing it
[01:48] <nickrud> huh
[01:48] <nickrud> if wishes were fishes
[01:48] <lsuactiafner> i dont have enough bandwidth
[01:48] <lsuactiafner> );
[01:49] <Miks> well...i have the driver of my wireless card for linux....but i cant get to install it...it asks me for my "kernel source directory"
[01:49] <lsuactiafner> downloadin 3 software packages atm
[01:49] <Ahab> yeah i just got done with that... synaptic is wonderful but it destroys my DSL
[01:49] <nickrud> I've tried qemu, and it actually worked reasonably well on a low end PII, vmware is something I've never tried since I'd have to pay for it if I liked it
[01:50] <asimismo> If I have a broken grub install and boot with the live disc, then chroot to the installed Ubuntu instance, can I reinstall grub?
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> lol
[01:50] <truz24> How do i install j2eesdk-1_4_01?  Apparently the version @ sun.java.com uses a different version of libstdc++
[01:50] <nalioth> asimismo: yes, there's an article on the wiki about that
[01:50] <wulfepup> Miks:  can't help you there ... I'm fairly new myself.
[01:50] <asimismo> nalioth: Groovy.
[01:50] <Miks> thanks anyway
[01:51] <Ahab> truz24: no idea, i just followed the directions at sun's website on installing for linux and it worked no worries
[01:52] <mirak_> hi
[01:52] <mirak_> is there something to control the fans speeds from linux ?
[01:52] <tiglionabbit> should be
[01:52] <Ahab> ah, another person asking a question i wanted an answer to
[01:52] <Ahab> is there a port of speedfan, or something? would be nice
[01:52] <asimismo> nalioth: Having trouble finding it. Got a pointer?
[01:52] <truz24> Ahab, what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[01:53] <Ahab> 5.04
[01:53] <nalioth> asimismo: one moment, please
[01:53] <Ahab> hoary
[01:53] <asimismo> nalioth: certainly!
[01:53] <jtan325> is it okay to transfer files from an ntfs partition to an ext3 partition?
[01:53] <truz24> and you just downloaed j2eesdk.... .bin and executed it?
[01:53] <thoreauputic> jtan325: yes, just not the reverse
[01:53] <nalioth> jtan325: reading from NTFS is ok
[01:53] <Ahab> truz24: no there's more involved than that, hang on a sec
[01:54] <truz24> k
[01:54] <nalioth> asimismo: here ya go https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[01:54] <TokenBad> tiglionabbit, nalioth, and Seveas..thanks for help and nalioth and Seveas your both right..pan worked
[01:54] <asimismo> nalioth: Hmmm... Not what I expected--it's a solo Ubuntu install. But thanks!
[01:55] <nalioth> TokenBad: of course it works, i use it every day
[01:55] <TokenBad> well tried knode
[01:55] <TokenBad> didn't work
[01:55] <TokenBad> so tried pan
[01:56] <nalioth> TokenBad: pan even works on <shudder> windoze
[01:56] <Ahab> truz24: use this link: http://www.java.com/en/download/help/5000010500.xml
[01:56] <Ahab> worked beautifully for me
[01:56] <Ahab> you want the self-extracting binary
[01:56] <TokenBad> ACK!! bad word..bad word!!!
[01:56] <johntramp> hi i have an internal globespan adsl modem which I cant get going
[01:57] <johntramp> I have found this,. http://packages.ubuntu.com/warty/net/eciadsl
[01:57] <johntramp> is that what I should use?  it is for usb tho
[01:57] <truz24> thanks Ahab
[01:57] <Ahab> no problem
[01:57] <johntramp> I can not find a similar package for an internal modem
[01:57] <Ahab> download is at the top, step by step installation is further down the page
[01:57] <nalioth> i have a USB adsl question.... dont adsl modems come with NETWORK jacks?
[01:58] <pablo_> hi guys :) how can I determinate a default background color for nautilus? Thanks :)
[01:58] <mirak_> is there something to control the fans speeds from linux ?
[01:58] <Ahab> truz24: and the instructions to enable for mozilla 1.
[01:58] <Ahab> for mozilla 1.4 work exactly the same for firefox
[01:59] <wulfepup> bbl
[01:59] <truz24> Ahab, actually, i was referring to the deveoper jdk
[01:59] <truz24> not the run time
[01:59] <Ahab> shit
[01:59] <truz24> but thanks anyway
[01:59] <Ahab> haha
[01:59] <chonny69> i've a question
[01:59] <Ahab> no problem
[01:59] <chonny69> what does "mv * disabled" do
[02:00] <chonny69> because afaik it moves whatever's in the directory to disabled
[02:00] <tiglionabbit> chonny69: that would move everything in your current directory to a folder in your directory called disabled..  which is impossible because it would move the directory into itself
[02:01] <chonny69> that's weird
[02:01] <pablo_> hi guys :) how can I determinate a default background color for nautilus? Thanks :)
[02:01] <tiglionabbit> mv is move, * is all files in this directory, and "disabled" will be interpreted as a directory name
[02:01] <chonny69> these are the instructions i used before getting to that point
[02:01] <chonny69> $ cd debian/config/i386
[02:02] <chonny69> $ mkdir disabled
[02:02] <mirak_> is there something to control the fans speeds from linux ?
[02:02] <chonny69> and then the one in question
[02:02] <nalioth> mirak_: try sourceforge.net
[02:02] <SysFail> whats the package in synaptic that you install so you can compile stuff??
[02:02] <Aflipy> hi!
[02:02] <nalioth> SysFail: build-essential
[02:02] <SysFail> i am drawing a blank
[02:02] <SysFail> thanks man
[02:02] <Aflipy> is there any tool to check a FAT32 file system integrity?
[02:02] <mirak_> nalioth: if it's not packaged I am not interested
[02:02] <mirak_> nalioth: but thanks :)
[02:03] <nalioth> mirak_: then i'm not sure
[02:03] <chonny69> no?
[02:04] <pam> exit
[02:05] <tiglionabbit> chonny69: instructions found where?
[02:06] <chonny69> http://www.ubuntu-es.org/node/4924
[02:06] <chonny69> but it's in spanish
[02:06] <nalioth> chonny69: use google translation
[02:06] <chonny69> it's ok, i know spanish
[02:07] <nalioth> chonny69: muy bien
[02:07] <chonny69> i'm just trying to figure out, why, after creating the disabled directory it's asking me to "mv * disabled"
[02:08] <chonny69> basically, i'm trying to install the logitech quickcam
[02:08] <tiglionabbit> chonny69: it wants you to move things into that directory
[02:08] <_SWAT_> my Ubuntu doesn't recognize my primary IDE device on my secondary IDE channel (Pioneer DVD writer). Anyone got any ideas? (somehow disabling DMA worked, partially). Anyone got a 'permanent' solution? (I'm not the only one with this problem)
[02:09] <Heimdall> how can I mont a fat32 partition with write authorization ?
[02:09] <chonny69> move things from the directory i'm at into the new one, right=
[02:09] <tiglionabbit> chonny69: try it anyway
[02:09] <tiglionabbit> yeah
[02:09] <chonny69> well it's funny it lists the disabled directory as the only one in there
[02:09] <chonny69> but i've had a problem with visualizing hidden files
[02:10] <chonny69> how do i make them all visible using ls?
[02:10] <mopflite> hi folks - any idea where the extremely comprehensive installation instructions have disappeared to which used to be on the ubuntu web site?
[02:10] <mopflite> chonny69: ls -a
[02:10] <chonny69> thank you!
[02:10] <chonny69> yesss
[02:10] <mopflite> ls -al to see the full listing with timestamps and file permissions
[02:11] <chonny69> now i have to compile
[02:11] <chonny69> it's my first time
[02:12] <KillerSmurf> is there a way to keep files from moving to .trash and Delete them directly?
[02:12] <truz24> KillerSmurf, yes, there is an option
[02:13] <KillerSmurf> Truz24 where would I find it?
[02:13] <truz24> its under system->preferences->file management
[02:13] <iris_> the first time always sucks
[02:13] <truz24> include delete command that bypasses trash
[02:13] <KillerSmurf> tnx
[02:13] <truz24> np
[02:13] <iris_> except in rollercoasters
[02:14] <mopflite> my questions is, I have lost my original installation cd and I would as a result like to reconfigure apt so that all software is now obtained from the net, and yet the cd-rom drive doesn't appear as a source in /etc/apt/sources.list - any idea how I can tell the system that the net should be used for all software installations from now on?
[02:14] <nalioth> mopflite: the cd-rom is not listed at the top?
[02:14] <mopflite> nalioth: no
[02:14] <mopflite> let me re-check
[02:15] <mopflite> oh, it is!
[02:15] <mopflite> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20050317)] / hoa
[02:15] <mopflite> ry main restricted
[02:15] <mopflite> so I just need to comment that out?
[02:15] <truz24> yes
[02:15] <mopflite> wonderful, thanks
[02:15] <truz24> then apt-get update
[02:15] <tiglionabbit> mopflite: what you want to do is comment that out, and uncomment the other repositories in the file
[02:16] <KillerSmurf> I'm trying to delete 5000 files.... why does it take so long?
[02:16] <tiglionabbit> KillerSmurf: because that's a lot of files?
[02:16] <truz24> lol
[02:16] <KillerSmurf> rofl
[02:16] <truz24> use command line
[02:16] <truz24> rm files.* -f
[02:16] <tiglionabbit> -f?
[02:17] <truz24> force
[02:17] <mopflite> tiglionabbit: yes, the other repositories were uncommented, and apt only tried to obtain the occasional package from the cd-rom
[02:17] <truz24> well u may not have to add that
[02:17] <truz24> in ubuntu
[02:17] <nalioths_dog> mopflite: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[02:17] <tiglionabbit> mopflite: oh.
[02:17] <nalioth> mopflite: make sure your sources.list resembles that one
[02:18] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: you have a dog that can type?
[02:18] <tuks> hey, what does it mean in linux that it cannot execute a binary file?
[02:18] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: when i kick him hard enough
[02:18] <tiglionabbit> =p
[02:18] <mauper> hi! What to restart if hotplugging of usb devices does't work anymore ?
[02:18] <tuks> It's a file that I compiled earlier in java...
[02:18] <tiglionabbit> tuks: what kind of binary file?
[02:18] <KillerSmurf> brb
[02:18] <tuks> Java...
[02:19] <tuks> the extension is .class
[02:19] <Michel> Does anyone know how Ubuntu handles removable media and external drives?
[02:19] <tiglionabbit> tuks: you need to say `java` before the class name, don't you?
[02:19] <tuks> Is that what you mean?
[02:19] <truz24> tuks, how did u install java in ubuntu?
[02:19] <truz24> the java compiler that is
[02:19] <tiglionabbit> truz24: read restricted
[02:19] <tiglionabbit> !restricted
[02:19] <ubotu> restricted is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:19] <tuks> Go to synaptic and do a search on java.
[02:19] <tiglionabbit> it has a link to an explanation of how to get java 2
[02:20] <iris_> just because it fits here.. is there a java for linux on ppc?
[02:20] <tiglionabbit> mopflite: generally it automounts and plops an icon on the desktop
[02:20] <tuks> it doesn't like java ./HelloWorldApp.class
[02:20] <tuks> Is that what you meant?
[02:20] <tiglionabbit> tuks: you're not supposed to say .class
[02:20] <nalioth> iris_: yes
[02:20] <tiglionabbit> tuks: just say "java HelloWorldApp"
[02:21] <nalioth> iris_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//JavaPPC
[02:21] <tuks> When I have the java, it gives me an error.
[02:21] <tiglionabbit> tuks: you shouldn't drink too much java.  You could get addicted
[02:21] <Funk4544> Hi all
[02:22] <Funk4544> Quick question
[02:22] <tuks> Yeah, I know...
[02:22] <chonny69> ok... i just unpacked everything
[02:22] <Funk4544> What's the best book to learn linux?
[02:22] <chonny69> wow that was quite a ride
[02:22] <tiglionabbit> tuks: and Java likes to give you errors.  That's one of its favorite things to do
[02:22] <chonny69> now... for the configuration part
[02:22] <mauper> Funk4544: irc ;)
[02:22] <Funk4544> For the absolute beginner
[02:22] <iris_> ahh, i forgot ibm distributes java too.. should have searched more.. thanks a lot nalioth
[02:22] <Funk4544> mauper, but I don't even know where to start ;)
[02:22] <tuks> So I've been told. <_<
[02:22] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: dunno.  Tried the rute book?  It's available on apt
[02:22] <Funk4544> Rute?
[02:23] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: yes
[02:23] <iris_> its the first ppc i ever use :D
[02:23] <Funk4544> Sorry, I've never heard of that
[02:23] <Funk4544> Do you have a link?
[02:23] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: any unix manual will be appliccable too.  Because GNU's Not Unix...  well...  it really is
[02:23] <socomm> Probably the last too.
[02:23] <Funk4544> Well, I just started Ubuntu
[02:23] <tuks> Tiglionabbit... I already compiled it... shouldn't it have given me errors then?
[02:23] <Funk4544> Is this a good choice for beginners?
[02:24] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: I said it's on apt.  Look for it in synaptic
[02:24] <Funk4544> lol
[02:24] <tiglionabbit> tuks: nope.  Java likes to give you errors in many palces
[02:24] <tiglionabbit> *places
[02:24] <Funk4544> I have no idea what that means :(
[02:24] <Funk4544> Sorry
[02:24] <nalioth> iris_: i have ubuntu on 2 iBooks, if ya need anything, just ask (and i'll point at someone else)
[02:24] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: you know what Synaptic is?
[02:24] <Funk4544> Nope.
[02:24] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: run it.  It's a program in ubuntu
[02:24] <tiglionabbit> it's where you get stuff from
[02:24] <chonny69> remember the mv * disabled i was talking about?  its in the wiki
[02:24] <socomm> !guide
[02:24] <ubotu> socomm: I give up, what is it?
[02:24] <chonny69> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelBuildpackageHowto
[02:25] <tuks> computer->systemconfiguration->synaptic
[02:25] <Funk4544> I have to be root ey
[02:25] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: yes.  Are you the admin user?
[02:25] <Funk4544> Yep
[02:25] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: if so, you can type your password in there
[02:25] <socomm> ubotu: guide is http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:25] <ubotu> socomm: okay
[02:25] <mauper> or in here, and make sure sshd is running ;)
[02:26] <iris_> nalioth, "Unfortunately, there's no Mozilla plug-in for IBM's Java on PPC. If you need to view applets, you'll have to install Konqueror from the Debian repository." Does konqueror have some special java-magic built in?
[02:26] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, I'm in Synaptic
[02:26] <Funk4544> It's a package manager apparently. ;)
[02:26] <tiglionabbit> yes
[02:26] <tiglionabbit> that means it lets you install software from the internets
[02:26] <lsuactiafner>  CTCP PING reply from lsuactiafner: 558.599 seconds
[02:26] <lsuactiafner> bwahaha
[02:26] <nalioth> iris_: idk, i dont do java
[02:26] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[02:26] <Funk4544> Wow interesting
[02:26] <Funk4544> I can install KDE Desktop Env too?
[02:26] <Funk4544> :D
[02:27] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: yes you can.  search for "kubuntu-desktop"
[02:27] <nalioth> iris_: and i'm not much of a KDE user
[02:27] <mauper> noone knows what to do if hotplugging doesn't work anymore ... sigh ...
[02:27] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, : found it
[02:27] <iris_> mhh, well.. i'm setting up an old university computer, and get most of the things the users might approach to work.. if theres no java plugin i dont have to worry about installing ibms jre :)
[02:28] <iris_> me neither
[02:28] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544:  gewd.  Just mark it for install.  And mark the rute book too
[02:28] <Funk4544> Which desktop env do you guys generally prefer?
[02:28] <Funk4544> KDE or Gnome?
[02:28] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: I like gnome, because it works better, but kde is prettier
[02:28] <iris_> i thought about installing them kde, because it has more windows look & feel, but... nah
[02:28] <Funk4544> Gnome seems cleaner to me.  (that's a linux dunderhead's opinion, FYI)
[02:28] <tiglionabbit> iris_: if you want something that looks like windows, try ice
[02:28] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, back to the rute thing
[02:28] <jaross> how do you set the clock?
[02:28] <Funk4544> I searched for kubuntu-desktop
[02:29] <Funk4544> It shows three things
[02:29] <KillerSmurf> I have additional start-up commands in session.  What is the 'Order" number for?
[02:29] <tiglionabbit> 3 things?  How many repositories do you have?
[02:29] <Funk4544> Default settings
[02:29] <Funk4544> desktop
[02:29] <Funk4544> & live
[02:29] <tiglionabbit> you don't want live
[02:29] <Funk4544> (all with kubuntu prefixes)
[02:29] <Funk4544> When I mark the desktop for installation
[02:30] <jaross> nevermind, for some reason it would not let me before and now it will
[02:30] <Funk4544> a dialogue comes up asking which required changes
[02:30] <tiglionabbit> it should say it requires a tonnage of things
[02:30] <tiglionabbit> yes
[02:30] <Funk4544> rather, which packages
[02:30] <Funk4544> yep
[02:30] <iris_> well icewm may look like windows, but it lacks a lot of easy to use well integrated programs such a file manager, email client, etc. i think gnome is the way to go.. they had to use osx before :D
[02:30] <tiglionabbit> because it's not actually a package itself, it's a metapackage that requires all components of the kubuntu dekstop
[02:30] <tiglionabbit> keeps things organized
[02:30] <Funk4544> Alright.
[02:30] <nalioth> iris_: then gnome will remind them of what once was
[02:31] <Funk4544> Which of the listed items shall I mark?
[02:31] <KillerSmurf> for example 'gnome.clipboard.daemon Order is 80'  I'm wondering what that order number is for
[02:31] <chonny69> do i compile as root?
[02:31] <socomm> iris_: XPDE.
[02:31] <nalioth> chonny69: no
[02:31] <nalioth> chonny69: you only checkinstall as root
[02:31] <chonny69> ok then
[02:31] <iris_> nah, its got a "start" menu.. it will be fine
[02:31] <alxwind> guys, how can i extract tar.gz archives in termina?
[02:32] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: you want the one called "kubuntu-dekstop"
[02:32] <comadreja> what is the applet to check the status of a wireless interface ?
[02:32] <socomm> alxwind: `man tar'
[02:32] <Funk4544> alxwind, that was my next question ;)
[02:32] <pinky_> when getting a gnome theme from gnome look which one do I want Metacity?
[02:32] <alxwind> 10x
[02:32] <thoreauputic> alxwind:  tar xvzf file.tar.gz
[02:32] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, kutuntu-desktop?
[02:32] <socomm> pinky_: Metacity is GNOME's window manager, IE: window decoration.
[02:32] <KillerSmurf> for example 'gnome.clipboard.daemon Order is 80'  I'm wondering what that order number is for?????????????
[02:32] <tiglionabbit> alxwind: 'tar xvzf thefile"
[02:32] <Funk4544> In the "additional required changes" window itself?
[02:33] <pinky_> thank you for clearing that up :)
[02:33] <socomm> The GNOME themes are just GTKthemes.
[02:33] <pinky_> ok
[02:33] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: let it select all of kubuntu-desktop's dependencies for you
[02:33] <pinky_> 1.x or 2.x though?
[02:33] <socomm> Umm, they change how your widgets and buttons look.
[02:33] <socomm> pinky_: Most likely 2.0+
[02:33] <pinky_> ook thank you :)
[02:34] <chonny69> hey i just want to say that everyone's being very patient and helpful.  thanks so much!
[02:34] <comadreja> what is the applet to check the status of a wireless interface ?
[02:34] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, it didn't select anything
[02:34] <iris_> it handles most files the will encounter (zip, doc, jpeg, pdf) without much GUI change and thats important. a smaller desktop may look familiar in the first place, but that doesnt help if i need to explain them how they handle each filetype out there.. ("a zip file, no problem, just open a console window, cd into the directory and run unzip <filename>)
[02:34] <comadreja> and how do I know the ethernet address of an interface ?
[02:35] <Funk4544> alright, that's weird
[02:35] <Funk4544> it also selected kubuntu-default
[02:35] <Funk4544> settings
[02:35] <KillerSmurf> Does anyone here know what the order part of the sessions tab is about .  Is it like priortity?
[02:35] <nalioth> comadreja: ifconfig
[02:35] <Funk4544> to be marked for install
[02:35] <nalioth> comadreja: from a terminal
[02:35] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: it probably requires that
[02:35] <Funk4544> OK. I'm assuming it's all marked and ready to go
[02:35] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, one more thing
[02:35] <alxwind> how can i decompress smth to /usr/share as root?
[02:35] <Funk4544> Can I instll KDE?
[02:35] <comadreja> nalioth : it says 00:00:00:00:00:00
[02:36] <Funk4544> I'd like to check it out a bit for educational purposes.
[02:36] <Funk4544> ;)
[02:36] <tiglionabbit> alxwind: put sudo before your command?
[02:36] <KillerSmurf> alxwnd sudo nautilius then move the pkg
[02:36] <nalioth> comadreja: then something is wrong
[02:36] <alxwind> sudo tar xvzf file.tar.gz /usr/share?
[02:37] <Funk4544> Shit
[02:37] <Funk4544> Sorry tiglionabbit
[02:37] <Funk4544> Can you repeat anything you said before I quit
[02:37] <KillerSmurf> Does anyone here know what the order part of the sessions tab is about .  Is it like priortity? or something els
[02:37] <Funk4544> I also want to install KDE
[02:37] <tiglionabbit>  tiglionabbit> Funk4544: it probably requires that
[02:37] <lsuactiafner> is there a distributed movie encoder?
[02:38] <alxwind> 2tiglionabbit sudo tar xvzf file.tar.gz /usr/share? <- is it correct?
[02:38] <iris_> lsuactiafner, lol, big project ey?
[02:38] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: kubuntu-desktop is all of kde you really need.  You can grab the kde package in addition if you want more of its components, or install those separately
[02:38] <tiglionabbit> alxwind: no, I don't think it is
[02:38] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: you mean like seti@home, but for movies?
[02:38] <tiglionabbit> alxwind: put a -C before the directory name
[02:38] <truz24> lsuactiafner, we should write up a spec for one
[02:38] <truz24> and put it on sourcefore
[02:38] <truz24> forge
[02:38] <Funk4544> ok
[02:38] <lsuactiafner> nalioth : no like a cluster to encode mocies
[02:38] <tiglionabbit> alxwind: C for change directory
[02:39] <alxwind> 2tiglionabbit oh, thank u
[02:39] <lsuactiafner> kinda like openMosix and lives i think
[02:39] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit,  I'm guessing I've done everything correctly
[02:39] <truz24> I would love to have a distributed encoder like CCE
[02:39] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: just your standard generic cluster software
[02:39] <truz24> CCE is only for windows tho
[02:39] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit,  now press apply?
[02:39] <signbarn> is the root terminal like writing "sudo" in front of every command?
[02:39] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, (with CD in drive, right)?
[02:39] <lsuactiafner> since on my amd64 3200 3 pass encodin takes around 3hrs
[02:39] <truz24> what are you using now lsuactiafner ?
[02:39] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: yeah, when you hit apply it should take a moment downloading and installing everything for you.  Mmmhmm.  You can grab the rute book first though.  And no, you probably want to disable the CD repository unless you have very slow internet.  Newer packages exist
[02:39] <Funk4544> sudo root = running a command as root
[02:39] <lsuactiafner> clustered encodin seems like a better name for it
[02:40] <lsuactiafner> mencoder 3 pass encodin
[02:40] <truz24> yeah, distributed implied internet, where as cluster implies local
[02:40] <lsuactiafner> yeh
[02:40] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, [excellent!] 
[02:40] <truz24> its called mencoder?
[02:40] <iris_> lsuactiafner, well 3 hours are convenient.. i dont think theres a need for that
[02:40] <comadreja> nalioth : what could be wrong ?
[02:40] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, my connection is pretty fast (1.3 Megabytes/sec down)
[02:41] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: have you edited your repositories (or /etc/apt/sources.list) yet?
[02:41] <nalioth> comadreja: idk, but it shouldnt be all zeros
[02:41] <lsuactiafner> my connection is 5k/s, joinin ubuntu makes me lag around 10 minutes
[02:41] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, pardon my idiocy, but where is the "rute book"
[02:41] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, say what now?  (??)
[02:41] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: it's an html guide to linux
[02:41] <lsuactiafner> iris_ : 3hrs is too long
[02:41] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: in synaptic, hit settings->repositories.  What does it list there?
[02:41] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: so build you a dual-core, dual-proc amd64 box
[02:41] <lsuactiafner> i got an amd 2500+ that my flatmate aint usin now that could be used to encode
[02:41] <comadreja> nalioth : I know, I just installed ubuntu because debian failed... it detected the centrino wireless card, but gives me that weird hwaddress
[02:41] <truz24> does mencoder do as good a job as CCE ?
[02:41] <lsuactiafner> no money for dual core
[02:41] <Funk4544> CD UBuntu 5.04
[02:42] <Funk4544> Ubuntu 5.04
[02:42] <Funk4544> (binary /binary / source)
[02:42] <lsuactiafner> with openMosix would release a 2.6.x patch and not some cvs
[02:42] <truz24> lsuactiafner, my roommate can do a 2 pass encoding in 20 minutes on his dualcore
[02:42] <nalioth> comadreja: i run apple hardware, so am at a loss on configuring intel stuff
[02:42] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit,  ubuntu 5.04 updates
[02:42] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit,  5.04 updates (sourceS)
[02:42] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: ok.  Are there checkboxes?
[02:42] <alxwind> guys, where exactly .xinitrc file is located?
[02:42] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit,  ubuntu 5.04 security bin & source
[02:42] <iris_> lsuactiafner, save a bit and make intel happy :D
[02:42] <lsuactiafner> truz24 : with mencoder?
[02:42] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, as far as I can tell, no.
[02:42] <truz24> no, cce
[02:42] <truz24> have u heard of cce?
[02:43] <truz24> or dvdrebuider (which uses cce in the background)
[02:43] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: hit the settings button and check the top box for "show disabled repositories" and it should then probably allow you to check or uncheck things on the list
[02:43] <lsuactiafner> nope
[02:43] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit,  do you mean disable SW sources?
[02:43] <lsuactiafner> will check it out
[02:43] <alxwind> guys, where exactly .xinitrc file is located? Search doesn't work
[02:43] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, : correct. that did it
[02:43] <lsuactiafner> it for linux tho?
[02:43] <truz24> lsuactiafner, its windows only
[02:43] <lsuactiafner> with mencoder i use
[02:43] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, OK now, there's some checks
[02:43] <truz24> thats why i am interested in mencoder
[02:43] <lsuactiafner> -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vpass=1:vbitrate=1450:v4mv:mbd=2
[02:43] <lsuactiafner> -oac mp3lame -lameopts vbr=3:q=0:preset=extreme -o Notebook.avi -vf crop=704:432:8:72
[02:43] <lsuactiafner> so it takes ages
[02:44] <Funk4544> Ubuntu security updates 5.04 BINARY & SOURCE (community maintained ((universe)) are not checked
[02:44] <lsuactiafner> mencoder rocks, tho dont use options i pasted, they are specific to the movie
[02:44] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: so now you can pick which sources you want to have.  So you can keep the cd around for quick updates, or uncheck it and throw it awyay
[02:44] <truz24> have you ever encoded a dvd with it ?
[02:44] <Funk4544> ubuntu 5.04 "hoary hedgehog" Community maintained nOT checked
[02:44] <lsuactiafner> i suppose i could encode it 20 mins also,but not this type of quality as 3 pas
[02:45] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: when you want to install a package that only exists in universe, or things are requiring dependencies they can't find, try enabling that.  Or you can do it now if you want
[02:45] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, should I check any of them? I'm not really sure what the difference is between them
[02:45] <Big_O> ugh
[02:45] <lsuactiafner> truz24 : dvd mpeg-2 is sucks, mpeg4 is divx5 much better
[02:45] <iris_> lsuactiafner, well lames exteme preset is not called that without a reason
[02:45] <Big_O> why wont firefox update
[02:45] <Big_O> T_T
[02:45] <truz24> lsuactiafner, can u encode vob files with it?
[02:45] <Funk4544> lsuactiafner, isn't DiVX 6 out
[02:45] <lsuactiafner> iris_ : yeh
[02:45] <iris_> do you really hear the difference?
[02:45] <Funk4544> lsuactiafner, besides, XViD is pretty good too
[02:45] <Funk4544> :)
[02:45] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: universe has some other packages you might want some time.  It doesn't hurt to include em.  You can tell which packages ubuntu has strong support for by whether or not they have the ubuntu logo in that one column in synaptic
[02:45] <iris_> to standard encoding?
[02:46] <[myg0t] blocky> hi
[02:46] <abbot45> Big_O, what version do you have?
[02:46] <lsuactiafner> yeh divx6 is out but its not ported to nix, also the mencoder mpeg4 is very good
[02:46] <lsuactiafner> xvid is nice
[02:46] <lsuactiafner> but havent tried it
[02:46] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit,  should I check all of them?
[02:46] <Big_O> ok well ive put in the wary backports
[02:46] <Big_O> >.>
[02:46] <Big_O> 1.02
[02:46] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: yeah, go ahead, and uncheck CD if you want
[02:46] <Funk4544> lsuactiafner, Is DiVX 6 any good vs XVid
[02:46] <lsuactiafner> am happy with mpeg4 when i dont get artifacts in motion and if things are below 1.4G in size
[02:46] <wulfe-away> Big_O:  because of  asecurity flaw in pre-1.04 releases... and Ubuntu (although patched to 1.04) still uses and older base... so Firefox doesn't recognize it.
[02:46] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, : done. CD unchecked
[02:46] <blocky> okay I just installed ubuntu 5.04
[02:46] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit,  am I free from the constraints of the CD installer now?
[02:47] <blocky> the install went smooth and im a pretty gnome desktop
[02:47] <truz24> lsuactiafner, how did u get notebook to avi form?
[02:47] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, : Repositories changed.
[02:47] <blocky> but it never asked me or told me the root password
[02:47] <lsuactiafner> wulfe-away : about:config change your version
[02:47] <lsuactiafner> to 1.0.4
[02:47] <blocky> anyone know what the default root pass is?
[02:47] <nalioths_dog> blocky: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[02:47] <tiglionabbit> is Big_O having the firefox problem?
[02:47] <abbot45> Big_O, thats the version you are suppost to have with Ubuntu.  they just backported from 1.04 because of its vonurabilities, but added the security updates.  so you are basicly using 1.04, but it says 1.02.
[02:47] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, I'm reloading the packages now
[02:47] <lsuactiafner> truz24 : vobcopy?
[02:47] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, I think it's done o_O
[02:47] <truz24> k
[02:47] <lsuactiafner> how you know i'm encodin notebook?
[02:47] <truz24> just curious
[02:47] <truz24> cuz i got skills
[02:47] <truz24> :-)
[02:48] <lsuactiafner> you looked @ the vbitrate? or crop?
[02:48] <wulfe-away> Big_O:  yeah, what lsuactiafner said.
[02:48] <tiglionabbit> Big_O: firefox is in fact current.  It just doesn't update the version number.  To change it, type "about:config" into your firefox address bar, and change the VendorSub number to 1.0.4
[02:48] <tiglionabbit> Big_O: I mean 1.04, like they said
[02:49] <tiglionabbit> no, 1.0.4 works
[02:49] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, crap, I gotta go to dinner with my parents
[02:49] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, will you be on in a bit?
[02:49] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: sure.
[02:49] <nalioth> Funk4544: we are always here
[02:49] <iris_> Funk4544, have fun
[02:49] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, sweet, I'll look you up when I return from [away]  mode
[02:49] <Funk4544> iris_, thank you good sir.
[02:49] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, thank you for your help  so far.
[02:49] <iris_> sir?
[02:49] <tiglionabbit> Funk4544: I'm the same name on aim and yahoo and gmail, in case you need me
[02:49] <Funk4544> :)
[02:49] <nalioth> iris_: we're all just data....
[02:49] <lsuactiafner> truz24 ?
[02:50] <Funk4544> Funk4544, oh cool!
[02:50] <Funk4544> omg
[02:50] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, oh cool!
[02:50] <tiglionabbit> =3
[02:50] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, I've recorded your name down. I'll add you to my buddy list for AIM/Yahoo when I get back
[02:50] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, you're not by any chance on ICQ are you?
[02:50] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: you're a marked man
[02:50] <Funk4544> tiglionabbit, (ICQ offers offline messaging)
[02:50] <Funk4544> nalioth, hehe ;)
[02:50] <lsuactiafner> truz24 : how did you guess?
[02:51] <iris_> nalioth, well, maybe all the poeple we talk to in irc are improved elizas..
[02:51] <abbot45> can someone help me set up my new monitor?  is there a way for it to auto detect it without having to re-install?
[02:51] <nalioth> iris_: i know a couple i suspect
[02:52] <nalioth> abbot45: should just be able to plug it in
[02:52] <wulfe-away> that's strange .. I coulda sworn I already di dteh about:config change in Firefox.. but it still claims to be 1.0.2... I guess it didn't stick.
[02:52] <tiglionabbit> wulfe-away: make sure you change the vendorsub line to it
[02:52] <abbot45> nalioth, i know, its working, but i need to update xorg.conf in order to get my resolutions right & stuff.
[02:52] <lsuactiafner> night
[02:52] <abbot45> nalioth, i dont know exactly what i need to do there.
[02:53] <nalioth> abbot45: you can edit xorg.conf or rerun the dpkg configurator
[02:53] <nalioth> abbot45: probably the dpkg thing
[02:53] <abbot45> nalioth, how do i do that?
[02:53] <nalioth> abbot45: open a terminal, and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[02:54] <abbot45> ok
[02:54] <nalioth> abbot45: most questions are fine with the default answer, you'll need to pay attention to the monitor ones
[02:54] <comadreja> how can I play dvds on ubuntu ?
[02:54] <wulfe-away> tiglionabbit:  yeah ..thought I did... musta died somewhere and didn't save the change...
[02:54] <nalioths_dog> comadreja: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[02:54] <tiglionabbit> comadreja: !restricted
[02:54] <comadreja> thanks !
[02:54] <tiglionabbit> yeah, listen to the dog, heheh
[02:55] <nalioth> where's ubotu got off to?
[02:55] <tiglionabbit> !restricted
[02:55] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:55] <mig`> i'm back.. afternoon
[02:55] <Big_O> marque@ubuntu:/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins$ sudo ln -s  /usr/java/jre1.5.0_04/plugin/i386/ns7-gcc29/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[02:55] <Big_O> marque@ubuntu:/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins$ ls
[02:55] <Big_O> libjavaplugin_oji.so
[02:55] <Big_O> marque@ubuntu:/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins$ firefox
[02:55] <Big_O> INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Could not get the plugin manager
[02:55] <Big_O> System error?:: Success
[02:55] <mig`> actually, evening
[02:56] <Big_O> damnit
[02:56] <truz24> lsuactiafner, you had the filename in the string you pasted
[02:56] <tiglionabbit> Big_O: don't paste stuff here =P
[02:56] <mig`> hmmm... i'm trying to install ubuntu onto my usb drive
[02:56] <mig`> it installed, however i didnt install grub on my main hdd, but on the usb drive
[02:56] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: how did you do that?
[02:56] <Big_O> sorry but i' useless at explaining problems
[02:56] <Arkainium> I keep getting mail from cron complaining about apache2 (I don't have it installed).  How can I change cron to reflect that?
[02:56] <Big_O> i'm^^
[02:56] <mig`> and i can get grub loading if i choose the usb hdd as the primary hdd in the bios, however, it wont boot
[02:56] <mig`> it goes into a kernel panic, ideas why?
[02:57] <mig`> i think it gets detected as hd0 by grub, dont know what the name of hte block device is for the root= command line in grub
[02:57] <lsuactiafner> ah
[02:57] <lsuactiafner> lol
[02:58] <wulfe-away> Big_O:  use http://paste.ubuntulinix.nl/ as a paste space and just paste the URL here.. it saves scroll and flooding.
[02:58] <Arkainium> Is it safe to delete the apache2 file in /etc/logrotate.d/ if it's not installed?
[02:58] <Big_O> ah
[02:58] <Big_O> thanks
[02:59] <wulfe-away> np
[02:59] <Big_O> one problem
[02:59] <tiglionabbit> Big_O: you should probably be able to install a java package, rather than having to link it to firefox's plugins
[02:59] <Big_O> my browser isnt working j/k
[02:59] <wulfe-away> LOL
[02:59] <mig`> the other alternative would be installing grub on my master hdd, however that kind of defeats the purpose of installing ubuntu on my external hdd (other than using it on this machine)
[03:00] <mig`> ideas on how to configure grub to boot up properly when the usb hdd is the primary drive
[03:00] <Big_O> yeah well if i could find it in synaptic
[03:00] <Big_O> >/
[03:01] <nalioth> !ubotu tell nalioths_dog about restricted
[03:01] <gardenia> if I install breezy now and update as we go will I have a stable release ( long as I update ) based system at time of release, -  or is it really best to wait for full stable release ?
[03:02] <blocky> what ist he best winamp replacement?
[03:02] <wulfepup> have I mentioned yet today how much I love FireFox (I used to be die-hard Netscape fan.... then when I started doing web-dev, I got addicted to IE..... thank the gods for introducing me to Firefox)
[03:02] <blocky> should I use xmms or rythmbox
[03:02] <wulfepup> blocky  I like xmms
[03:02] <gotonpo> xmms
[03:02] <blocky> xmms is like winamp2
[03:02] <tiglionabbit> blocky: you should use AmaroK
[03:02] <blocky> is there anything more up to date
[03:02] <tiglionabbit> =P
[03:02] <nalioth> gardenia: you can install breezy when it says "release candidate" until then, you get wildly flunctuating dependability
[03:02] <blocky> wtf
[03:03] <nickrud> Arkainium probably, but using synaptics filter feature to check for configured but not installed packages is probably the better way to look at it
[03:03] <blocky> rythmbox cant even play mp3s?
[03:03] <nalioth> blocky: yes it can
[03:03] <tiglionabbit> blocky: you need to download codecs
[03:03] <nalioth> blocky: but you have to enable mp3s first
[03:03] <tiglionabbit> !ubotu tell blocky about restricted
[03:03] <gardenia> nalioth,your saying installing now wont guarantee a stable type system even staying on top of updates so best to wait for release candidate
[03:03] <thoreauputic> blocky: beep-media-player is xmms in gtk2 drag (nicer than plain xmms) ;)
[03:03] <nalioths_dog> blocky: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[03:03] <pressure_man> i feel like some pain. i'm about to install breezy to have a look at it.
[03:04] <iris_> ahh, ~1,2MB/s speed for fetching packages.. installing software on university connections is fun.. wish i would have that at home ;(
[03:04] <nalioth> gardenia: until it says "release candidate" (adn sometimes even then) you'll be subject to all the bugs
[03:04] <KillerSmurf> I want to say thank you to all that have helped me make my migration from windoze to linux possible...... THANK YOU!!!!
[03:04] <blocky> k thanks
[03:04] <mhz> hello!
[03:04] <tiglionabbit> KillerSmurf: you're welcome.  Hope you have fun
[03:04] <drummer87> hi, are there any breezy disc images yet?? i can't seem to find them...
[03:04] <gardenia> nalioth,,yeah thats ok I realize that..that wasn't that much concern as this system is ok for that..
[03:05] <iris_> KillerSmurf, welcome
[03:05] <pressure_man> drummer87: best way is to download them with jigdo
[03:05] <iris_> drummer87, there are
[03:05] <pinky_> is there a dock app for gnome like superkaramba
[03:05] <mhz> Anyone here ever synced a Treo600 with any sync app under Ubuntu?
[03:05] <nalioth> gardenia: i always advise folks to put breezy (if they have to have it) on a spare system
[03:05] <iris_> but dont use them yet..
[03:05] <Septu> Hi guys, if i was to download an iso, what release would be best to install on a laptop
[03:05] <nalioth> pinky_: gdesklets
[03:05] <gardenia> nalioth, yeah
[03:05] <pinky_> thank you :)
[03:06] <mhz> Anyone here ever synced a Treo600 with any sync app under Ubuntu?
[03:06] <mig`> nobody know?
[03:06] <drummer87> iris_, where can i find them? i can only see hoary on the ubuntu site
[03:06] <pressure_man> wonder if e17 will be stable by the time breezy hits release... or ever
[03:06] <iris_> uhm, i forgot how theyre called
[03:06] <KillerSmurf> The only thing that I have left is to find out how to transfer my GPS files (I was using EasyGPS in 'doze) in Ubuntu.  Any Ideas?
[03:06] <Septu> What release should I download
[03:06] <iris_> colony?
[03:06] <pressure_man> was colony relatively stable?
[03:06] <iris_> Septu, what laptop have you got?
[03:07] <pressure_man> it's going back about a month now isn't it?
[03:07] <Septu> M3 toshiba
[03:07] <drummer87> Septu, hoary is the latest stable
[03:07] <Arkainium> nickrud, that sounds like a good idea but it doesn't seem like it's doing anything.
[03:07] <nalioth> Septu: hoary hedgehog
[03:07] <Septu> ok
[03:07] <Septu> thnx gents
[03:07] <pressure_man> i'm about to install breezy-daily-installer on a spare partition. wish me luck
[03:07] <iris_> so dowload hoary x86 install cd (5.04)
[03:07] <nalioth> pressure_man: have fun
[03:07] <wulfepup> Septu:  I'm loving Hoary on my HP pavilion .. it was a pain to get some things set up.. but part of that is the laptop itself.. and part is that I'm using the AMD64 kernel instead of 386
[03:07] <Big_O> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/377
[03:08] <Septu> .. that doesnt sound like fun
[03:08] <abbot45> nalioth, hey, what was that command to run dpkg?
[03:08] <wulfepup> I swear I almost gave up on several occassions.. but it's all good now... I have almost everything I need here, and rarely use M$ Windoze for anything...
[03:08] <FlannelKing> Anyone have suggestions for webcam photo upload/shindig things?
[03:08] <pressure_man> has anyone used the asterisk packages in ubuntu?
[03:08] <abbot45> nalioth, i missed something and couldnt go back.
[03:08] <nalioth> abbot45: you can start over
[03:08] <iris_> Septu, check tuxmobil.org for compatibility on your laptop before you install
[03:09] <pressure_man> FlannelKing: you could try gallery2 - http://gallery.sf.net
[03:09] <abbot45> nalioth, nevermind.
[03:09] <chonny69> this compiling thing is taking a while
[03:10] <tiglionabbit> chonny69: it will
[03:10] <pressure_man> compiling? this isn't #gentoo
[03:10] <FlannelKing> I'm not looking for a web gallery, Im just looking for a service to capture and save it as a jpg (or stream)
[03:10] <pressure_man> FlannelKing: http://www.zoneminder.com
[03:10] <tiglionabbit> FlannelKing: you may have more luck asking that on ubuntuforums.org
[03:11] <iris_> pressure_man, not everything is a .deb
[03:11] <FlannelKing> Yeah, I figured I would ask here first, real time and all
[03:11] <wulfepup> Septu:  once you've gotten the basics http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ may have some detailed info for you too.. I found it invaluable!
[03:11] <nickrud> Arkainium me, personally, I'd run aptitude, then, in the main window, use the commad 'l' , and enter '~c' (show only configured but not installed packages) and see if apache2 was there.
[03:11] <Septu> I already have gentoo on it all setup, but i just cant be bothered fighting to get simple apps working any more
[03:12] <Septu> all the hardware is setup though
[03:12] <bigfoot1> hello
[03:13] <tiglionabbit> hi bigfoot1, welcome back
[03:13] <Arkainium> nickrud, I mean, with synaptic it worked because I saw there were some configured but not installed packages.  apache2 wasn't one of them though.  The reason I have a left over configuration is because I bought a new harddrive and copied my etc directory to it.
[03:13] <iris_> Septu, on my samsung p35 i was scared about ubuntu, because everything i needed worked out of the box
[03:13] <nickrud> Arkainium yeah, then I'd delete it :)
[03:13] <bigfoot1> hi tiglionabbit, how are you?
[03:13] <Arkainium> nickrud, thanks for the help
[03:13] <tiglionabbit> I'm alright, still hanging around here to see if I can answer people's questions and such
[03:14] <bigfoot1> I remember talking with you about a day ago. What were we talking about, again?
[03:14] <Septu> mmm
[03:14] <Septu> oh well i give it a go
[03:14] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit: that's very nice of you.
[03:14] <tiglionabbit> thanks.  I don't remember what we talked about though =P
[03:14] <nickrud> Arkainium assuming you are not using apache2, of course
[03:14] <bigfoot1> I'm using Gaim to access this chatroom now.
[03:14] <bigfoot1> I usually use Xchat to access irc.
[03:14] <Big_O> ah
[03:15] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: yeah, gaim will treat it as a chatroom.  You can enable logging too
[03:15] <bigfoot1> Which does everyone prefer for IRC, and why: xchat or Gaim?
[03:15] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: I use irssi
[03:15] <Septu> xchat
[03:15] <Discipulus> xchat
[03:15] <nickrud> xchat, cuz it's simple
[03:15] <Big_O> err... *reads the ln refference and sees the "gcc"*
[03:15] <Big_O> O.O
[03:15] <Big_O> crap
[03:16] <bigfoot1> so gaim is much more complicated than xchat for irc, nickrud?
[03:16] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: not more complicated, it's just a little bit clunky
[03:16] <bigfoot1> :-*
[03:16] <nickrud> bigfoot1 not a clue, I've never used gaim
[03:16] <nickrud> for me, simple means, I tried it, and it works for me
[03:16] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: if it's working for you though, no problem
[03:16] <bigfoot1> oh, i'm just playing around.
[03:16] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: xchat or irssi are more flexible and powerful for irc
[03:17] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic: i see.
[03:17] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: there's a textmode program called centericq that does most of what gaim does.  It's fun.  If you like text-based things like I do
[03:17] <Discipulus> What would one of you do if one of your friends randomly IMs you saying that they're gonna fuck you up?
[03:17] <thoreauputic> Discipulus: find a new friend/
[03:17] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit: well, i really don't like text-based things, at least not yet, anyway. I usually prefer graphichal programs over them.
[03:17] <tiglionabbit> Discipulus: how close do they live?
[03:18] <Discipulus> tiglionabbit, bout 10 minute car drive away, why?
[03:18] <tiglionabbit> uh, dunno
[03:18] <gotonpo> ask why?
[03:18] <Discipulus> bigfoot1, if people like command line programs over GUI, they're usually pretty old, or are just really really smart
[03:18] <tiglionabbit> was going to say if it's more than 50 miles you can probably ignore em
[03:19] <Discipulus> tiglionabbit, hehe, nope, I'm not too worried about it though
[03:19] <mig`> so i've got a usb hard drive, which i'm makign the primary disk on the machine (via the BIOS), grub is installed ont he usb hdd
[03:19] <mig`> however, ubuntu won't boot
[03:19] <tiglionabbit> Discipulus: I'm 19, and I like commandline things because I can access them over ssh even when graphics aren't set up
[03:19] <Discipulus> mig`, sounds like a problem :-P
[03:19] <mig`> grub loads the init rom (it seems)
[03:19] <eyequeue> disasm:  pretty old, or just pretty? :)
[03:19] <mig`> however, but it doesnt get past the pivot_ whatever
[03:19] <mig`> i forget the exact message :(
[03:19] <Discipulus> tiglionabbit, like I said, they're either old (ie from the olden days when X wasn't popular) or really really smart
[03:19] <Discipulus> :-P
[03:20] <mig`> i think the problem is with the root= kernel option in grub config
[03:20] <tiglionabbit> Discipulus: also because it keeps all my work in the terminal windows, and uses lots of keyboard commands
[03:20] <bigfoot1> one thing that xchat does better than gaim is with its Tab-Autocomplete function. With gaim, you must type enough of the starting letters, until it autocomplets with  a unique nickname. but gaim can cycle through possible autocompleted nicknames.
[03:20] <mig`> right now it reads: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash
[03:20] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: you said gaim twice
[03:20] <Discipulus> mig`, then it should be booting, unless /dev/sda1 isn't your USB hd
[03:21] <mig`> ./dev/sda1 is what grub configured it to when i was installing it (remember this is a usb hdd, and at the time of installation, in the bios it was the 2nd hdd)
[03:21] <mig`> but in order to get grub to kick in, i had to make it master in the bios
[03:21] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit: oh. you are right! i just woke up and i'm not making any sense!
[03:21] <mig`> well that's what i don't know
[03:21] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: which behavior is with which?
[03:21] <barosl> who uses breezy?
[03:21] <mig`> because it seems to find an ext2 partition
[03:21] <Discipulus> mig`, well, I know my IDE hard drive is /dev/hda1
[03:21] <mig`> well that kind of throw me off
[03:21] <FlannelKing> xchat cycles, just keep hitting tab
[03:21] <mig`> because i formatted as ext3
[03:21] <bigfoot1> Correction: With _gaim_, you must type enough of the starting letters, until it autocomplets with  a unique nickname. but ___xchat___ can cycle through possible autocompleted nicknames.
[03:22] <drummer87> yay.. breezy colony 2 torrent coming down as i type..  :)
[03:22] <mig`> hmm, yeah well /dev/hda1 is my winxp hdd
[03:22] <Discipulus> alright
[03:22] <Discipulus> I'm think sda refers to scsi, not sure
[03:22] <mig`> the usb hdd -should- be /dev/sda
[03:22] <mig`> yeah that's what it is
[03:22] <Discipulus> ask in ##linux
[03:22] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: oh yeah, that's another reason why text-based apps are nice
[03:22] <mhz> Anyone here ever synced a Treo600 with any sync app under Ubuntu?
[03:22] <mig`> ok, brb
[03:23] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: ;-)
[03:23] <eyequeue> screen and ssh are a great combo, no matter what the app, imo
[03:23] <bigfoot1> i point for Gaim over xchat: smiley texts/emoticons show up as graphics in gaim, but show up as merely text symbols in xchat.
[03:23] <Discipulus> tiglionabbit, pon and poff are the only way I can get online, all the GUI progs slow down my connection for some really wierd reason
[03:23] <FlannelKing> Graphical Smileys are the devil
[03:23] <chonny69> hey no kidding, how long does it take to compile
[03:23] <eyequeue> thoreauputic:  /me breathes easily now :)
[03:23] <bigfoot1> eyequeue: what's screen? what does ssh stand for?
[03:23] <tiglionabbit> Discipulus: same here, I always use ifup and ifdown, because network-admin is slow as crap
[03:23] <Discipulus> chonny69, depends on what you're compiling
[03:23] <eyequeue> screen (1)           - screen manager with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation
[03:23] <eyequeue> ssh (1)              - OpenSSH SSH client (remote login program)
[03:24] <chonny69> the linux-source
[03:24] <wulfepup> FlannelKing:  ditto!
[03:24] <Discipulus> chonny69, as in the Linux Kernel? Shouldn't take too long, unless you made it really big...
[03:24] <nickrud> heh, i've always thought as pon/poff as me friends, pppoe, ppp, doesn't matter
[03:24] <chonny69> no... i don't think i did
[03:24] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: SSH is Secure SHell
[03:24] <Discipulus> personally I'm happy with the prepackaged kernel works fine for me
[03:25] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: and screen is a program that lets you detach from a text-based app and let it keep running on someone elses machine after you've logged out.  Then reattach later.  You can do some other stuff with it too
[03:25] <barosl> ...i found the topic about breezy now;
[03:25] <barosl> =_=
[03:25] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  in this context, scrren is what enables detaching a remotr session, and reattaching it again from elsewhere (home/work for example)
[03:25] <bigfoot1> I'm throwing out a hypothesis here. I'd like your opinion on this. People who like text-based stuff are more of book-readers, while those who prefer graphical apps are more of movie-watchers. Do you find this true for you?
[03:26] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit, eyequeue, so screen is like "remote computing"?
[03:26] <nickrud> for my age group, it's probably more of how lazy we are
[03:26] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: no.  I don't read books.  I like text-based because the keyboard commands are faster than clicking on stuff
[03:26] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: no, ssh is
[03:26] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: screen just allows you to keep things running while you're gone
[03:26] <Discipulus> bigfoot1, not really, I like movies and books, just as I like gui and command line
[03:26] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  can be, yes (though much much more as well)
[03:26] <chonny69> bigfoot1:  kind of.  but i don't watch tv
[03:27] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: screen allows you to create "detachable" sessions, and multiple screens within one session
[03:27] <bigfoot1> anybody in this chatroom using gaim for irc?
[03:27] <Discipulus> I do agree you can do stuff faster with command line than you can a gui
[03:27] <Discipulus> ;-)
[03:27] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: I do sometimes
[03:27] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  ssh is more the "remote" in the combo, but the combo is the key, not either piece
[03:27] <chonny69> shoot, i messed up and i made the compiling thing ridiculously long...
[03:27] <chonny69> oh well
[03:27] <Discipulus> bigfoot1, I do sometimes
[03:27] <Discipulus> not right now though
[03:27] <pinky_> is it possible to view a windows ntfs partition in ubuntu
[03:28] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: yes
[03:28] <pinky_> and extract the files?
[03:28] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: what's the partition's name?
[03:28] <bigfoot1> thoreauputic: when do we need to create "detachable" sessions? What's the puprose for that? and what's the purpose of having multiple screens in one session?
[03:28] <wulfepup> afk
[03:28] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: you can do everything but write to it
[03:28] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  i have in the past, though it's not usually my preference
[03:28] <chonny69> but that's good so i can do other things like reading
[03:28] <pinky_> just my c:/
[03:28] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: you can even resize it, if that doesn't involve changing any files
[03:28] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: type "sudo fdisk -l" and tell me which of those it is?
[03:28] <pinky_> can I acces files from it
[03:29] <tiglionabbit> yes.  You'll need to mount it first
[03:29] <hesa> hola
[03:29] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: as pointed out above, if you are ssh'ed to another machine, you can detach the screen session and log out, and the session will be there when you log back on
[03:29] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: the robust part of that is, you could log in remotely from one machine, then detach and login remotely from another machine somewhere else and reattach, and it'll be just as you left it
[03:29] <blocky> has anyone got drivers for an Envy24 7.1 sound card?
[03:29] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: the multiple screens are a bit like a CLI multi-tab option - you can mobe from one to another with key strokes
[03:30] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  imagine you work for BigEvilCorp with a highly restrictive firewall (no irc) ... ssh to your home machine where you have your irc session already running from earlier and attach to it there, as one example
[03:30] <pinky_> ive got two one for the windows install and one for documents
[03:30] <pinky_>  Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[03:30] <pinky_> /dev/hda1               1        2550    20482843+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[03:30] <pinky_> /dev/hda2            2551        8513    47897797+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[03:30] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: ok, see those devices?
[03:30] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: now, you'll need to make two empty directories to mount them to.  Can you do that?
[03:31] <bigfoot1> eyequeue: so you're saying that if you ssh to home computer, you can access irc in an irc-banning BigEvilCorp?
[03:31] <pinky_> ha nah sadly not :(
[03:31] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: yup
[03:31] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: then, use the command "sudo mount /dev/hda1" followed by the directory you want to mount it to.  Do the same thing for the other
[03:31] <pinky_> ah ok
[03:31] <FlannelKing> you can do ANYTHING 'as' your home computer
[03:31] <bigfoot1> sounds interesting!
[03:31] <Discipulus> how do you detach from a screen session?
[03:32] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: usually people put them in /mnt.  So say "sudo mkdir /mnt/hda1" and the same thing for hda2.  Then use those directories in the mount command as I said above
[03:32] <bigfoot1> FlannelKing: but don't BigEvilCorps usually block access to home computers, too?
[03:32] <eyequeue> bigfoot1: it's been done :)  often :)  pick any protocol they block too, not just irc (don't surf to certain sites from work, for example, even if port 80 is open)
[03:32] <FlannelKing> Just like you can do the whole remote X desktop thing, if you have windows at work, you can use cygwin to your home machine, like I'm doing right now
[03:33] <pinky_> tiglionabbit_: thank you for your help :)
[03:33] <FlannelKing> well, except Im connecting to the machine across hallway
[03:33] <bigfoot1> eyequeue: i don't understand what you wrote.
[03:33] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  for example, if i want to show up on irc as being me@myhome.isp rather than, hmm, me@microsoft.com? :) (and no, i don't work for ms, heh
[03:33] <tiglionabbit> Discipulus: detatch using control-A d
[03:33] <Discipulus> tiglionabbit, how do you detach from a screen session?
[03:33] <Discipulus> tiglionabbit, alright
[03:33] <FlannelKing> bigfoot1, You SSH to your home machine and you can do anything you want from your home machine (as if you were sitting infront of the terminal)
[03:33] <FlannelKing> SSH basically 'puts' you at your home terminal
[03:33] <nickrud> bigfoot1 the key is, if you can get access to a machine outside your firewall, and that machine is not blocked, you can use that machine to do whatever
[03:34] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: did those mounts work?
[03:34] <alxwind> did anyone try to install xpde on ubuntu?
[03:34] <eyequeue> Discipulus:  ^A^D and "screen -r" are the typical pair of commands to get you started :)
[03:34] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: if they did, you should now see the files on those ntfs partitions in the directories you created
[03:34] <alxwind> xpde.com
[03:34] <alxwind> plz explain how to install
[03:34] <pinky_> il try in later its like 3 in the morning here and im pretty tired :(
[03:34] <thoreauputic> alxwind: ewww.... why would you want xpde ?
[03:34] <pinky_> il pm you how I get on
[03:35] <alxwind> just want to try
[03:35] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: ok.  How new are you?  You at least know how to make a folder, right?
[03:35] <wulfe-away> FlannelKing:  alternatively... just tunnel, like I'm doing ;)
[03:35] <pinky_> cheers youve helped me a whole bunchh
[03:35] <pinky_> well I installed ubuntu yesterday
[03:35] <pinky_> so pretty new
[03:35] <tiglionabbit> pinky_: k.  Be sure to try using Synaptic.  It's a fun program
[03:35] <alxwind> can't understand these explanations http://xpde.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=168
[03:35] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  say i want to access http://competitor.com while at bigcorp.com, but don't want that logged by bigcorp.com (looking for a new job perhaps) ... lots of reasons come to mind
[03:35] <bigfoot1> could you do the reverse, as well? That is, could you set up the computers in such a way that you can access work computers from home?
[03:36] <pinky_> ok will do
[03:36] <bigfoot1> So is ssh/screen what i need if i want to help my mom halfway across the world with her computer questions?
[03:36] <nickrud> bigfoot1 it'll probably get you prosecuted, unless you have an ok
[03:36] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: assuming you have ssh access...
[03:36] <wulfe-away> bigfoot1:  that sounds more like a job for vnc
[03:36] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  you can ssh to/from any place that one: runs sshd, and two: don't block port 22 (or whatever alternative port you chose)
[03:36] <FlannelKing> but yes, its called telecommuting
[03:36] <alxwind> 2thoreauputic any ideas what to do with xpde?
[03:36] <nickrud> bigfoot1 assuming us
[03:36] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: it depends.  The computer you log in to must have an ssh server running
[03:37] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit: a windows pc can have SSH server running, yes?
[03:37] <thoreauputic> alxwind: the very thought of making linux look like Xp horrifies me, sorry ;)
[03:37] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: take a look at vcn though, that may be easier to try out at first, since it's graphical
[03:37] <tiglionabbit> I mean vnc
[03:37] <alxwind> lol
[03:37] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit: gotcha.
[03:38] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: I believe so, but you'd have to install it.  Just like you'd need to install the vnc server
[03:38] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  myhost$ ssh momt@momshost sudo apt-get install foo, heh
[03:38] <FlannelKing> alxwind, most people who actually use computers turn off their XP theme on their windows box
[03:38] <tiglionabbit> vnc works very differently.  It serves up an image of the desktop, rather than interfacing files directly
[03:38] <FlannelKing> I cant imagine why someone would want it if they werent forced
[03:38] <bigfoot1> vnc sevrver is what i install on my mom's Windows pc. and vnc is what i put on my (ubuntu) pc. Correct?
[03:39] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: vnc should already be installed here
[03:39] <alxwind> 2thoreauputic this is not because of windows like look but because  this is my first time when i can't install smth under linux
[03:39] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  if you want to run apps on her box from yours, yes
[03:39] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: system -> preferences -> remote desktop
[03:39] <wulfe-away> bigfoot.. yuppers.. I use Ultr@VNC on my Win boxes and the boxes I trouble shoot.
[03:39] <mhz> Anyone here ever synced a Treo600 with any sync app under Ubuntu?
[03:39] <alxwind> i can't edit xinitrc file
[03:40] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: the program you'd use to see theirs is called vncviewer, and it's installed with ubuntu by default.
[03:40] <eyequeue> alxwind:  have you prepended sudo to the edit command line?
[03:40] <wulfe-away> UltraVNC even allows for file transfer (assuming UltraVNC to UltraVNC, ie Win to Win)
[03:40] <nickrud> alxwind xorg prefers .xsession, try that as your X startup file
[03:40] <bigfoot1> eyequeue: i don't want only to run apps, but to  temporarily "possess" her computer. I want to see her PC as if I were right in front of her computer. I want to be able to move her mouse with my mouse. Type with my keyboard. VNC does these things?
[03:40] <thoreauputic> alxwind: it's probably ~/.xinitrc, which is deprecated anyway - use ~/.xsession
[03:40] <eyequeue> alxwind:  if it's a system-level file, you'll need the "root" permissions that sudo grants
[03:40] <wulfe-away> bigfoot1:  yuppers!
[03:41] <alxwind> eee, so what should i do first?
[03:41] <eyequeue> bigfoot1:  yeah (screen -x does that if cli btw)
[03:41] <tiglionabbit> sometimes I wonder what Australians would think about "root access"
[03:41] <bigfoot1> So i guess the problem is getting a non-geeky mom to install the vnc server onto her Windows pc. is it a hard thnig?
[03:41] <alxwind> sudo edit /usr/share/xsessions/xpde.desktop?
[03:41] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit: what do you mean about your "australian" comment?
[03:41] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: in Australia, root means sex
[03:42] <eyequeue> alxwind:  if "edit" is the app, then yes (gedit maybe?)
[03:42] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: yep, gives a whole new meaning to "rooted" ;)
[03:42] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit: i didn't know that. can you give an example sentence, so we can see it in context?
[03:42] <wulfe-away> bigfoot1:  I got a totally ignorant client to install Ultr@VNC in a matter of minutes...  she was on cable and I was on dial-up and talking her through it over the phone.
[03:43] <bigfoot1> wulfe-away: what's Ultr@vnc?
[03:43] <eyequeue> kind of like FileSystemChecKed, heh
[03:43] <Discipulus> bigfoot1, instead of "I'm gonna go have sex" it'd be "I'm gonna go get root"
[03:43] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: man to prospect: "ya wanna root?"
[03:43] <bigfoot1> wulfe-away: i guess that means i first have to know how to install vnc servers myself first!
[03:43] <wulfe-away> bigfoot1:  it's a Windows VNC client and server package... one of several.
[03:43] <Discipulus> thoreauputic, that'd be more like root meaning f*ck
[03:43] <eyequeue> i'm gonna go fsck my partner's box
[03:43] <thoreauputic> Discipulus: no, your example is wrong, soory (Aussie here)
[03:43] <Discipulus> thoreauputic, oh, my bad
[03:44] <Discipulus> thoreauputic, I've always wanted to learn Aussie slang...
[03:44] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: eyequeue lol
[03:44] <tiglionabbit> oops
[03:44] <alxwind> sorry, guys, but i don't have ~/.xsession file
[03:44] <thoreauputic> Discipulus: "root" can be a verb or a noun, BTW :)
[03:44] <jozzer> wulfe-away: advantages over the normal vnc? or tightvnc?
[03:44] <nickrud> alxwind one piece of advice, never change anything under /usr/share, that's owned by ubuntu
[03:44] <Discipulus> thoreauputic, teach me Aussie slang :-P
[03:45] <tiglionabbit> I dunno, the only way I heard it was about the rude panda that eats, shoots, roots, and leaves.
[03:45] <alxwind> ok, 10x fo advise
[03:45] <eyequeue> alxwind:  ~/.* would be the per-user file, the /usr/share/* would be the global file that changes settings for all users
[03:45] <bigfoot1> so aussies don't use "root" in this way: 2 friends watching a sports match. Hey, PersonA, which team are you _rooting_ for?
[03:45] <Discipulus> tiglionabbit, what does shoots mean?
[03:45] <wulfe-away> jozzer:  on Ultr@VNC to Ultr@VNC connections it has built in chat and file transfer.. otherwie it is basically winvnc
[03:45] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: that was a wombat, actually ;)
[03:45] <tiglionabbit> Discipulus: the panda is a necrophiliac
[03:45] <eyequeue> alxwind: typically if it's meant to be edited globally, it's under /etc/* bew
[03:46] <Discipulus> tiglionabbit, haha
[03:46] <nickrud> alxwind if there's ever an update to the package that owns /usr/share/xsessions/xpde.desktop, any changes you made will be overwritten
[03:46] <wulfe-away> tiglionabbit:  or the panda "shoots" his load....
[03:46] <alxwind> huh?
[03:46] <alxwind> so, i guess i'm stuck
[03:46] <Discipulus> wulfe-away, then it would be 'eats, roots, shoots, leaves'
[03:46] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: many americans I know have screwed that one up"
[03:46] <jozzer> hehe the default ubuntu install is preatty
[03:46] <wulfe-away> Discipulus:  yup
[03:47] <Discipulus> wulfe-away, that's the way Americans look at it alright lol
[03:47] <bigfoot1> do aussies use "root" in the sense of cheering for someone. For example: Which team are you rooting for?
[03:47] <tiglionabbit> no
[03:48] <tiglionabbit> as I said, many americans I know have screwed that up
[03:48] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: no, we use "barracking for" a team
[03:48] <Discipulus> tiglionabbit, teach me aussie slang
[03:48] <ed_> hi
[03:48] <tiglionabbit> I'm not really Australian, just half.  My dad is
[03:48] <wulfe-away> ever notice that Dave Matthews (of DMB, obviously) looks a lot like Jeremy Piven?
[03:48] <nickrud> alxwind just what are you trying to do, probably using ~/.xsession is the solution
[03:48] <ed_> can someone tell me how i do a system wide enviromental update on ubuntu.
[03:48] <ed_> ?
[03:48] <ed_> like rc-update on gentoo.
[03:48] <Discipulus> ed_, apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:49] <bigfoot1> is there a way to associate .gba files to open up with visualboyadvance just by doubleclicking on them?
[03:49] <ed_> i am looking to get cupsys to start on reboot.
[03:49] <tiglionabbit> Discipulus: well, you can eat bikkies watching footy on the telly, and a nice way to refer to your friends is as 'bastard-mongrels' or something like that
[03:49] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: the "team bike" would be a woman who "roots" for the team ;)
[03:49] <Discipulus> the "team bike" is a cheerleader?
[03:49] <jozzer> how do I lock a window to so I can move it to the next workspace?
[03:49] <alxwind> ok, thanks anyway lads
[03:49] <tiglionabbit> jozzer: lock?
[03:50] <alxwind> c u soon
[03:50] <alxwind> LINUX RULZZ
[03:50] <Discipulus> jozzer, right click and select "move to workspace"
[03:50] <thoreauputic> Discipulus: erm.. the "team bike" is a woman everyone "rides"
[03:50] <jozzer> tiglionabbit: used to evilwm
[03:50] <tiglionabbit> jozzer: what, so the boogie man wont come in at night?
[03:50] <ed_> jozzer: right click and you have the optino to move windows to diff desktops
[03:50] <Discipulus> thoreauputic, ah, a slut, gotcha
[03:50] <cmatheson> anyone here played w/ snes9x much?
[03:50] <Discipulus> tiglionabbit, lol
[03:50] <tiglionabbit> jozzer: is the pager displayed?  You can just drag windows around on that
[03:50] <tiglionabbit> pager is the thing that shows little snapshots of the windows on your multiple desktops
[03:51] <ed_> so anyone know how i can add a init.d files to start on reboot or start of gnome. ?
[03:51] <tiglionabbit> ed_: to add things to gnome's startup, use system -> admin -> sessions
[03:51] <ed_> hmmm was hoping there was something like rc-update like gentoo.
[03:51] <megabyte405> ed_:  system, preferences, sessions
[03:51] <nickrud> ed, or, add them to ~/.gnomerc
[03:52] <ed_> hmmm thanks.
[03:52] <jozzer> tiglionabbit: yes, but can it be done wint kbd strokes?
[03:52] <jozzer> with*
[03:52] <ed_> only prob with sys, pref, sessions you have to change the permissions since only root can't access and start init.d files
[03:52] <nickrud> jozzer yeah, ctl-alt-shift-arrow will move the active window aroun
[03:53] <tiglionabbit> jozzer: w...  what, move windows around using the keyboard?  Well, it's accessible from the icon menu on that window, so alt-something to select that and etc
[03:53] <megabyte405> I'm trying to set up my TV tuner (Phillips SAA7134), and I can't get any signal
[03:53] <bigfoot1> how do you say goodbye in australian?
[03:53] <megabyte405> can somebody help?
[03:54] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: dunno, but Australians never put shrimp on the barbie, they call it prawns.  (unrelated)
[03:54] <jozzer> cool nickrud thx
[03:54] <nickrud> jozzer I use it daily, I never open an app in the right desktop :)
[03:54] <barosl> when will be breezy stable...?
[03:55] <speel> never
[03:55] <UrbanFox> data type int is 2 bytes, right?
[03:55] <jozzer> nickrud: yes it's a nifty feature
[03:55] <tiglionabbit> UrbanFox: varies, and there are short and long ints
[03:55] <blocky> for apt repositories, what is the difference between universe and multiverse
[03:55] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit: shrimp is to small as prawn is to big, no?
[03:56] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: huh?  No, Australians just don't say shrimp
[03:56] <cmatheson> blocky:  go read the docs
[03:56] <wulfe-away> bigfoot1:  in US.. yes...  in Oz.. nope.. all are prawns
[03:56] <UrbanFox> tiglionabbit> what is long and what is short?
[03:56] <nickrud> blocky universe is free, multiverse has patent or other restrictions
[03:56] <UrbanFox> tiglionabbit> I need to know to plan out some network programming I'm doing
[03:56] <tiglionabbit> oh, and then there's jelly.  They call Jello Jelly, and Jelly is just...  dodgy jam
[03:56] <blocky> ah
[03:56] <jozzer>  are there any default kbd shortcuts for opening a teminal?
[03:56] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: note that Aussie slang is not used by most Aussies anyway, except occasionally: a lot of the things people outside the country think Aussies do are really not done ( cf. stereotypes about Irishmen saying "Top o' the mornin" etc)
[03:56] <speel> FOSTERS...australian for beer
[03:56] <blocky> so like debian-contrib/non-free
[03:56] <blocky> ?
[03:56] <bigfoot1> what's dodgy, thoreauputic?
[03:57] <tiglionabbit> jozzer: use the system prefs keyboard shortcuts
[03:57] <jozzer> terminal*
[03:57] <nickrud> blocky yes, exactly, sort of ;)
[03:57] <wulfe-away> I had some Vegemite once.. and now I'm addicted.. but I can't find it anywhere locally .. and can't afford the online s&h
[03:57] <jozzer> tiglionabbit: ah
[03:57] <thoreauputic> dodgy is ,,, doubtful, shoddy , maybe even dishonest in contect
[03:57] <thoreauputic> *context
[03:57] <urangkayo> why i can't use convert command in ubuntu 5.04 ?
[03:57] <bigfoot1> gudbahy mates!
[03:58] <wulfe-away> honestly.. I love the stuff.. lightly spread on hot toast
[03:58] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: "A dodgy salesman" "A dodgy deal"
[03:58] <nickrud> blocky on reflection, not really, universe is free debian, not in ubuntu, multiverse is more undefined from my perspective
[03:58] <FlannelKing> wulfe-away, just pour soy sauce on your bread
[03:58] <urangkayo> i try this command convert -resize 640x480 -colors 14 logo.png splashimage.xpm && gzip splashimage.xpm
[03:58] <wulfe-away> not the same!!!!
[03:58] <megabyte405> barosl:  it will be "released" in October
[03:58] <urangkayo> but result command not found ?
[03:58] <bigfoot1> wulfe-away:  i love Nutella. Yummy hazelnut spread. I could eat it by itself. Or with icecream. At times, it makes a great replacement for Prozac.
[03:58] <urangkayo> somebody help me ?
[03:58] <FlannelKing> yes it is, just one is a paste
[03:58] <tiglionabbit> ew, vegemite is disgusting
[03:59] <tiglionabbit> worse than meat pies
[03:59] <thoreauputic> bigfoot1: "mate " is rarely used in the plural except for e.g. "my mates"
[03:59] <FlannelKing> tiglionabbit, its not THAT bad, its just.... salty...
[03:59] <poningru> guys
[03:59] <poningru> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/colony-2/
[03:59] <tiglionabbit> FlannelKing: you could say the same about spam
[03:59] <FlannelKing> hah, true
[03:59] <poningru> what does that mean?
[03:59] <bigfoot1> tiglionabbit: you don't like meat pies? you don't like chiken pie or beef pie?
[03:59] <speel> did anyone get breezy to succesfully start x?
[03:59] <FlannelKing> meat pie tastes like pickles
[03:59] <tiglionabbit> FlannelKing: but I love soy sauce, so it's not the salt that's the problem
[04:00] <tiglionabbit> pickles?  wtf?  You need your taste buds fixed
[04:00] <FlannelKing> bigfoot1, meat pie isnt pie made with meat, its just called meat pie
[04:00] <bigfoot1> My sister loves sunnyside eggs with soysauce.
[04:00] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot1: no, australian meat pies.  They include gristle and disgusting parts
[04:00] <urangkayo> help me pls
[04:00] <bigfoot1> FlannelKing: oh, you mean mincemeat pie?
[04:00] <cafuego> Like, say possum
[04:00] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: that rather depends on the quality of the pie
[04:00] <FlannelKing> urangkayo, whats your problem?
[04:01] <bigfoot1> What exactly are australian meat pies?
[04:01] <tiglionabbit> thoreauputic: I said australian
[04:01] <urangkayo> why i can't use convert command in ubuntu
[04:01] <poningru> guys should I upgrade to 5.10?
[04:01] <tiglionabbit> urangkayo: convert?
[04:01] <cafuego> bigfoot1: meat & gravy in pastry
[04:01] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: I know - there are good and bad Aus meat pies, though
[04:01] <FlannelKing> poningru, read the room desc
[04:01] <urangkayo> yup
[04:01] <tiglionabbit> urangkayo: you should be able to, it appears to be there
[04:01] <bigfoot1> ha. it sounded like flannelking was trying to start a fight.
[04:01] <eyequeue> urangkayo:  sudo apt-get install imagemagick
[04:01] <urangkayo> i try this : convert -resize 640x480 -colors 14 logo.png splashimage.xpm && gzip splashimage.xpm
[04:01] <poningru> then why is it out on .iso?
[04:01] <cafuego> bigfoot1: The more disgusting ones are served IN mushy peas
[04:01] <thoreauputic> urangkayo: sudo apt-get install imagemagick
[04:01] <nickrud> urangkayo you mean the convert from imagemagick?
[04:02] <urangkayo> but command not found
[04:02] <poningru> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/colony-2/
[04:02] <FlannelKing> so people can download it easily
[04:02] <Kyral> Anyone know how to clear the GNOME Session save?
[04:02] <poningru> oh ok
[04:02] <bigfoot1> cafuego: INSIDE mushy peas? but green peas are tiny! how do you get stuff inside them?
[04:02] <Kyral> Somehow I have like 3 instances of XChat starting up
[04:02] <cafuego> bigfoot1: no, in a sea of mushy peas
[04:02] <Discipulus> Kyral, :-\
[04:02] <cafuego> bigfoot1: With tpamto sauce on top
[04:03] <eyequeue> urangkayo:  sudo apt-get install imagemagick <-- that installs the command
[04:03] <cafuego> tomato sauce, too
[04:03] <cafuego> bigfoot1: Do a google for 'pie floater'
[04:03] <mig`> ok, so i've got a problem
[04:03] <megabyte405> Kyral:  System, Preferences, Sessions.  Under Startup Programs, take care of what you need to
[04:03] <nickrud> Kyral take a look at system-preferences-session, you may be able to find the extra invocations there
[04:04] <tiglionabbit> heheh
[04:04] <thoreauputic> so many stereotypes...
[04:04] <bigfoot1> As a teacher, I have an English language question. please pm me with your answer to these fill-in-the blank sentence: Put chicken, butter, and carrots ______ the fry pan.
[04:04] <tiglionabbit> not my dad
[04:04] <mig`> i can get ubuntu installed successfully on a usb hdd, however it won't boot!
[04:04] <cafuego> thoreauputic: Well, actually.. a  Degani's meat pie isn't bad.
[04:04] <wulfe-away> arrrrghhhh   I'm stealing all of Synaptic's bandwidth by chatting and downloading FireFox extentions...  bbl  gotta quit some of this stuff....
[04:04] <mig`> can't get past pivot_root
[04:04] <tiglionabbit> thoreauputic: my dad likes the blandest, garbage-est, awfulest stuff ever.  And he's from australia
[04:05] <thoreauputic> cafuego: I was trying to point out that pies vary in quality above, yes :)
[04:05] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: Where in Australia?
[04:05] <FlannelKing> ....
[04:05] <urangkayo> i have try :  sudo apt-get install imagemagick
[04:05] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: small sample size :)
[04:05] <mig`> i get this issue with grub installed on either HDD
[04:05] <FlannelKing> cafuego, South of china/indonesia/etc
[04:05] <FlannelKing> and a little bit east
[04:05] <tiglionabbit> thoreauputic: well, yeah, that's true
[04:05] <urangkayo> but the result is
[04:05] <urangkayo> urangkayo@urangkayo:~$ sudo apt-get install imagemagick Password:
[04:05] <urangkayo> Reading package lists... Done
[04:05] <urangkayo> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:05] <urangkayo> Package imagemagick is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:05] <urangkayo> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:05] <urangkayo> is only available from another source
[04:05] <urangkayo> However the following packages replace it:
[04:05] <mig`> could it be because the usb 2.0 driver isn't loaded at that point and it can't find /dev/sda (the usb HDD) ?
[04:05] <urangkayo>   libmagick6
[04:05] <segphault> I want to run Kexi on ubuntu. Does anybody know where I can get a package for it?
[04:05] <urangkayo> E: Package imagemagick has no installation candidate
[04:05] <urangkayo> what the problem ?
[04:05] <tiglionabbit> urangkayo: please do not paste here
[04:06] <urangkayo> oh, sorry
[04:06] <cafuego> FlannelKing: Try reading that again.
[04:06] <tiglionabbit> you can use #flood or a pastebin
[04:06] <tiglionabbit> urangkayo: what you need to do is add more repositories
[04:06] <FlannelKing> Hah, did I misread? I was wondering how you'd not know where AUS is.
[04:07] <cafuego> FlannelKing: Being from the US would be a start <heh>
[04:07] <bigfoot1> To all: What word would you use to fill in the blank? PLease send me a private message with your answer: Put the meat, carrots and onions ____ the pan.
[04:07] <blocky> hmm
[04:07] <thoreauputic> FlannelKing: heh - Australia is rather large, in case you didn't notice ;)
[04:07] <cafuego> FlannelKing: No, I was asking where IN australia, not where australia is ;-)
[04:07] <eyequeue> it's in main: Filename: pool/main/i/imagemagick/imagemagick_6.0.6.2-2.1ubuntu1.1_i386.deb
[04:07] <blocky> anyone know why BMP would be crashing every time i play a file from my NTFS partition
[04:07] <tiglionabbit> urangkayo: edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the appropriate lines.  You will need to edit this file with sudo permissions
[04:07] <FlannelKing> Thats why I wasnt sure how you could be so ... nescient
[04:07] <urangkayo> ok
[04:07] <urangkayo> i will try
[04:08] <blocky> wtf
[04:08] <blocky> xmms does it too
[04:08] <nickrud> urangkayo if you'll wait a sec, I'll find some good sources.list for you.
[04:08] <Kyral> Anyone know why DistroWatch listed a "snapshot" in the Ubuntu Version releases (dated 6/29/05)
[04:09] <FlannelKing> Because it was Colony2 release
[04:09] <speel> did anyone get breezy to succesfully start x?
[04:09] <cafuego> speel: yes
[04:09] <Kyral> Wait
[04:09] <Kyral> Colony 2?
[04:09] <speel> what vid module did you choose? i tryed nv and vesa both craped out
[04:09] <Kyral> You mean its safe ATM?
[04:09] <cafuego> speel: it involved a bit of symlinking and destroying most of gnome.
[04:09] <cafuego> If you want to USE your system, just use hoary.
[04:10] <speel> nah just wanna try the live cd
[04:10] <Kyral> Yah
[04:10] <urangkayo> nickrud : urangkayo if you'll wait a sec, I'll find some good sources.list for you. : ok nickrud
[04:10] <cafuego> speel: I use nvidia.
[04:10] <Kyral> I think I will LiveCD this one :D
[04:10] <speel> hmm odd
[04:10] <cafuego> speel: I used equivs to generate a fake libglu package
[04:10] <cafuego> speel: .. so that 'nvidia-glx' would install.
[04:10] <speel> ah ok
[04:11] <cafuego> Seeing as the 'linux-restricted-drivers' didn't compile *at all*
[04:11] <cafuego> *stabstab*
[04:11] <nickrud> urangkayo, replace /etc/sources.list with the 'better organized' version at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExampleConffiles
[04:11] <urangkayo> ok
[04:11] <nickrud> urangkayo that will get you better access to ubuntu's packages
[04:11] <random> hello
[04:12] <speel> i kinda stoped using ubuntu .. its way to buggy for me for some reason
[04:12] <urangkayo> thank's nickrud
[04:12] <nickrud> urangkayo np, it's a recurring issue
[04:12] <blocky> damnit
[04:12] <blocky> does anyone know a solid mp3 player i can use?
[04:12] <blocky> xmms and beep both just crash
[04:12] <blocky> well hang up
[04:12] <blocky> zinf crashes
[04:12] <speel> Lol
[04:12] <jozzer> mmmmm.... pizza, coca cola fresh ubuntu install in the middle of the night 04... damn this is life O_x
[04:13] <tiglionabbit> blocky: amarok
[04:13] <Kyral> nickrud, that example doesn't include Backports
[04:13] <thoreauputic> blocky: change the output plugin to esound and try again
[04:13] <FlannelKing> No, Colony2 is not safe
[04:13] <Kyral> Okay
[04:13] <nickrud> Kyral yes, on purpose
[04:13] <thoreauputic> blocky: in xmms or beep prefs
[04:13] <Kyral> I wait
[04:13] <FlannelKing> Its just a snapshot, second prerelease
[04:13] <unome> you need a PC to install Ubuntu, it doesn't work with microwaves!
[04:13] <Kyral> nickrud, why?
[04:14] <thoreauputic> unome: really? It installed fine on my toaster (YMMV)
[04:14] <hondje> yeah, that's what netbsd is for ;)
[04:14] <unome> thoreauputic: is Xcv55 FX series?
[04:14] <random> anyone know if Breezy will include any TPM support?
[04:14] <ccc> blocky: amaroK! the best music player ever.
[04:15] <thoreauputic> my toaster? /me checks /proc/cpuinfo for his toaster
[04:15] <unome> hehe
[04:15] <FlannelKing> random, You'd have to check the breezygoals page
[04:15] <blocky> k thanks thoreauputic
[04:15] <blocky> now it plays
[04:15] <blocky> but its still only coming out of one of my speakers
[04:15] <blocky> i need envy24 7.1 drivers
[04:15] <tinman|> hi im running a powerpc (mac mini) and i installed kde but i can read dvds in kde only gnome anyone know why?
[04:15] <FlannelKing> is your speaker cable in all the way?
[04:16] <thoreauputic> blocky: run alsamixer and check for muted channels
[04:16] <syntaxman> is breezy usable now?
[04:17] <random> is there an official/proper way to suggest or request a feature for Breezy?
[04:17] <mig`> i installed ubuntu on a usb hdd, and installed grub on the main hdd on this system (which should work), however, i don't get past pivot_root, i am thinking it's because the usb 2.0 driver hasn't been loaded yet and thus there is no /dev/sda1 (which is what the kernel line points to root in grub), does this make sense? it was suggested that i compile an initrd image and have that run before trying to laod the kernel?
[04:17] <nickrud> Kyral it's complex, and, maybe since I've last looked, solved, but fundamentally, backports do not mesh nicely with upgrading to breezy when it's released.
[04:17] <mig`> so that it can load usb 2.0 drivers
[04:18] <Kyral> this is why we comment out backports then :P But for right now it is quite stable in hoary
[04:18] <nickrud> Kyral I'm parroting some more competent people when I say that
[04:18] <blocky> how do i enable a channel in alsamixer
[04:18] <chombee> this is a little off topic, but I wondered if anyone knows of a Linux program that will simply let you send/receive files over the internet/network, that is designed purely for sending files of arbitrary size, as opposed to chat or email?
[04:18] <blocky> ftp?
[04:18] <FlannelKing> random, http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=70, the breezy forum
[04:18] <thoreauputic> blocky: toggle with "M"
[04:18] <tiglionabbit> chombee: file transfer protocol, like blocky said
[04:18] <random> FlannelKing: thank you :-)
[04:19] <urangkayo> ubuntu using sudo for gain root acces , so all user can using sudo ?
[04:19] <tiglionabbit> urangkayo: no, only users who are given admin accounts
[04:19] <thoreauputic> urangkayo: no, only those in the admin group
[04:20] <chombee> blocky, tiglionabbit - well, okay, ftp is a protocol, but I'm talking about an actual client... and I wasn't really thinking of something like ftp but more like something simpler designeds for just sending individual files from one use to another. Like you would do over MSN, except that with GAIM it doesn't work so well
[04:20] <mig`> OK, a more general 'Ubuntu' question
[04:20] <mig`> does the 'default' installation compile usb 2.0 support into the kernel?
[04:20] <thoreauputic> chombee: DCC on IRC clients will send/receive files
[04:20] <blocky> thoreauputic, is there a way to make my 7.1 have real surround?
[04:20] <mig`> Can anyone help me out with why the system won't boot?
[04:21] <urangkayo> thank's you all , for your help
[04:21] <thoreauputic> blocky: no idea, sorry
[04:21] <sfvt> mig: yes, my system works with my USB2 hard disk.
[04:21] <megabyte405> mig`:  I believe so
[04:22] <chombee> Does anyone think it would be a good idea to have simple GTK client for GNOME that just allows you to pick any file and send it to a friend or contact? As a replacement for trying to do it through an IM client
[04:22] <mig`> megabyte405, what do you believe ?
[04:22] <mig`> that it installs with usb2.0 compiled into the kernel?
[04:22] <megabyte405> mig`:  that there's default usb2.0 support
[04:22] <mig`> or as a module
[04:22] <megabyte405> oh, I see
[04:22] <mig`> but as a module, or in the kernel?
[04:22] <megabyte405> Module, I think.
[04:22] <mig`> i think thats my problem then
[04:22] <megabyte405> could be
[04:22] <mig`> you see, ubuntu is installed on a usb hdd
[04:22] <blocky> anyone her made 7.1 work under linux?
[04:23] <megabyte405> can you make an initrd?
[04:23] <mig`> so grub fails when it tries to load /dev/sda1
[04:23] <mig`> i dont know how to
[04:23] <mig`> could you help (or give me a link?), i'm on the ubuntu livecd right now
[04:23] <megabyte405> Hmm, I only know how to in Slackware (PatV made a script)
[04:23] <megabyte405> Maybe try googling a bit, I have no idea
[04:23] <mig`> yeah, i am googling, found a few things on ubuntu forums
[04:24] <sfvt> mig`: perhaps your bios doesn't support booting from USB drives?
[04:24] <mig`> sfvt, it does
[04:24] <mig`> however, what fails is ubuntu
[04:24] <mig`> it won't get past pivot_root
[04:24] <sfvt> mig`: ahh... then probably your initrd doesn't have the correct modules loaded
[04:24] <mig`> i dont think i have an initrd
[04:24] <mig`> let me seee...
[04:25] <whitti> Hey, I've got a rather old AMD K-7 eqipped PC with 64 mb of RAM. I was wondering whether Ubuntu was the best option, or whether there were any other easy to use distros more fine-tuned to the low-end environment?
[04:25] <mig`> i'm plugging in that hdd now, going to try to mount it and look in /boot
[04:25] <sfvt> mig`: if you're using the default kernel, then you probably do
[04:25] <mig`> ah ok, then i guess id o
[04:25] <mig`> so how would i edit that initrd to load up the usb2 module before trying to boot?
[04:25] <mig`> because i think it can't find /dev/sda1 because it hasn't loaded the usb2 module
[04:25] <blocky> is there an ESD equivalent of alsamixer?
[04:26] <sfvt> mig`: you can list the modules you want loaded in /etc/mkinitrd/modules
[04:26] <blocky> or even better an envy24 mixer
[04:26] <thoreauputic> whitti: depends on whether you arwe familiar with apt/Debian - it will run, but you would need a custom "server" install followed by installing the bits you need
[04:26] <nickrud> blocky no, alsamixer exists a level below esd
[04:27] <thoreauputic> whitti: you might want to have a look at VectorLinux
[04:27] <sfvt> mig`: of course, you have to rebuild the initrd image after adding them to /etc/mkintrd/modules
[04:27] <megabyte405> whitti:  you can do it, a k-7 isn't really "low-end".  The only bugaboo there is the low memory - if you could upgrade to more than 128, you should be fine
[04:27] <whitti> thoreauputic, I've got a card that would need the at76c503a driver. I assume this isn't natively installed in ubuntu, so I couldn't do apt?
[04:27] <mig`> sfvt, can i do all this from the livecd?
[04:28] <sfvt> mig`: don't know... never used the livecd. I suppose you could, as long as you copy the resulting initrd.img to your boot device
[04:28] <mig`> hmm, for some reason i can't mount the hdd
[04:28] <thoreauputic> whitti: I have no idea about the card, sorry - if it's supported by Linux it should work in Ubuntu
[04:28] <megabyte405> whitti:  pretty much all drivers are available as modules and will auto-load.
[04:28] <megabyte405> whitti:  is that an Atmel wired or wireless card?
[04:28] <whitti> megabyte405, wireless
[04:29] <megabyte405> whitti: that's what I guessed.  There should be atmel drivers, google for them.
[04:29] <whitti> sure
[04:29] <sfvt> whitti: is it a USB wireless? I just build the driver for a Linksys WUSB11
[04:29] <whitti> sfvt: that's it
[04:30] <sfvt> whitti: it's easy to build... hold on I'll give the URL for the instructions
[04:30] <whitti> sfvt: I have the Belkin with the atmel chip
[04:31] <sfvt> whitti: here are the steps I took: http://sbb.uvm.edu/~sfeehan/dads-computer/Atmel/INSTRUCTIONS
[04:31] <whitti> sfvt: I'll take a look
[04:31] <whitti> megabyte405, sfvt, and thoreauputic: Thanks for all the help.
[04:32] <sfvt> whitti: note that this doesn't use the ubuntu package for the driver... it's in the universe repo adn I plan to take a look at some point. it should work with module-assistant and therefore be a better solution than compiing from CVS
[04:32] <thoreauputic> whitti: no worries :) Good luck
[04:32] <whitti> sfvt: great
[04:33] <whitti> sfvt: I could perform most of these steps from a different PC and copy them across via CD?
[04:33] <sfvt> whitti: yes, as long as the kernel headers you compile against match the kernel you will run with
[04:35] <sfvt> whitti: if you look in the directory on my site there is a tar.gz of the modules compiled for the current 386 kernel for hoary... feel free to use them, though I make no guarentee ;)
[04:36] <whitti> sfvt: The easy option: I'm running the 686 kernel on this, so that would be easier :)
[04:36] <blocky> anyone know an easy way to get a mac os x dock?
[04:36] <nickrud> buy a mac?
[04:37] <macintoshr> yeah
[04:37] <macintoshr> buy a mac
[04:37] <sfvt> whitti: not being a kernel guru, I'm not sure if my modules will work on a 686 kernel... probably better to just follow the directions. It should only take a few minuets.
[04:37] <macintoshr> on windows there is ObjectDock
[04:37] <macintoshr> dont know about ubuntu though
[04:37] <megabyte405> blocky:  You could try using XFCE, which has a panel that can serve like the "launcher" portion of the dock
[04:38] <megabyte405> blocky: It's a differetn operating environment that replaced gnome
[04:38] <nickrud> so, for curiosity's sake, what's fink like?
[04:39] <cafuego> nickrud: fink is apt-get on the command line; and you can install/run various X things.
[04:39] <whitti> sfvt: The one I'm transferring to is 386. The one I would compile on is 686
[04:40] <tiglionabbit> yes, xfce's lil'star icon box is a little like the dock
[04:40] <whitti> sfvt: Therefore, thanks for the modules :)
[04:40] <blocky> is alsa-utils the same as alsa-tools?
[04:40] <sfvt> whitti: yeah, should be ok. no problem... hope they work.
[04:40] <blocky> and does it coem with envy24control?
[04:40] <pressure_man> i'm back after install breezy
[04:40] <comadreja> how do I configure my touchpad ?
[04:40] <iris_> did your world change?
[04:41] <pressure_man> breezy installs nicely, but gnome-panel is broken/non existent
[04:41] <nickrud> cafuego I know that much, but, is it worth it? Should I consider a mac portable, running osx, and use fink for the stuff I've gotten used to.
[04:41] <cafuego> it's newer, it's gotta be better lolol
[04:41] <pressure_man> it looks the same as hoary.
[04:41] <pressure_man> it's probably ok for a server (ie, non gui) install
[04:41] <cafuego> nickrud: Depends on what the stuff you've gotten used to is. The only think I really miss is Evolution.. and that's not in fink anyway.
[04:42] <iris_> pressure_man, breezy for server.. you crazy?
[04:42] <cafuego> pressure_man: Except not, as there are no security updates
[04:42] <nickrud> huh, evo is the thing my life is rapped around :)
[04:42] <cafuego> pressure_man: ... and it breaks.
[04:42] <pressure_man> i just might be ;-)
[04:42] <iris_> :D
[04:42] <nickrud> so, no fink for this guy.
[04:42] <pressure_man> well if only debian used a 2.6 kernel and udev by default, i'd probably still be using that
[04:42] <blocky> hmm
[04:42] <cafuego> nickrud: Then again, 'ssh -X -C linuxbox evolution' on an xterm works fine ;-)
[04:43] <blocky> how do I change my resolution in gnome?
[04:43] <cafuego> pressure_man: That's _your_ fault then, as debian sarge does use a 2.6 kernel and udev.
[04:43] <nickrud> pressure_man unstable has had 2.6 and udev for a long time
[04:43] <pressure_man> the only gripe i have with ubuntu is that some of the packages appear in debian well before they make it into ubuntu
[04:43] <iris_> well mostly in sid i guess
[04:43] <tiglionabbit> blocky: it generally doesn't work, but uh, system -> preferences -> resolution ?
[04:43] <pressure_man> cafuego: i have debian sarge installed on my server with a 2.6 kernel. but it sure ain't the default
[04:43] <punkrockguy318> pressure_man, do you understand the ubuntu release cycle?
[04:44] <freddy_> hello, how are you guys?, ive tried so much stuff trying to make my wifi card to work with linux, but i dont know what to do now, ive come this far : i installed the drivers...i can see the hardware, i can configure it either with dhcp or static ip, i can actually configure the hardware with the network administrator of my linux dsitro, but when i actually activate the network appl to work with the wifi card...it takes it but it stays in idle status....
[04:44] <pressure_man> yes punk
[04:44] <cafuego> pressure_man: Oh, it was too hard to type 'linux26' at the install prompt? Sheesh.
[04:44] <sfvt> blocky: there is a gnome-randr-applet that does this
[04:44] <nickrud> ubuntu is 'stable' (I'm still coming to grips with that after debian unstable), and it's not a flaw
[04:44] <pressure_man> no, it wasn't too hard to type linux26, but it isn't the default. get it right
[04:44] <freddy_> i would really apreciate the help. thanks a lot.
[04:44] <cafuego> pressure_man: No, honestly...
[04:44] <punkrockguy318> pressure_man, ubuntu freezes debian unstable a month or two before the release.  Anything in debian after that won't be included until the next release
[04:45] <pressure_man> yes, i know punk.
[04:45] <sfvt> blocky: looks lke it's also under System->Preferences->Screen Resolution
[04:45] <punkrockguy318> pressure_man, alright, just trying to help
[04:45] <blocky> k thanks
[04:45] <pressure_man> i'm dubious about udev being the default in debian tho... sure, i know it's there
[04:45] <blocky> now i just need to get this damn sound card working
[04:45] <blocky> i cant seem to find a package anywhere for envy24control
[04:45] <pressure_man> but if the 2.6 kernel isn't the default, then udev can't possibly be the default either
[04:45] <cafuego> pressure_man: Yes, it is if you install with the 2.6 kernel.
[04:46] <pressure_man> well i did.
[04:46] <tiglionabbit> *sauce
[04:46] <cafuego> pressure_man: if you don't understand WHY the 2.6 kernel isn't the default...
[04:46] <cafuego> then I'll just go and cry some more.
[04:46] <iris_> freddy_, you said that you installed your driver and your card doesn't work.. however without knowing your card, your os, the drivers you installed even the biggest guru won't be able to help you
[04:46] <pressure_man> no, i don't understand WHY. it's been stable for over a year.
[04:47] <pressure_man> i don't understand WHY debian takes three years to release an update either.
[04:47] <cafuego> pressure_man: it hasn't been anywhere near as stable as 2.4.18+ kernels.
[04:47] <absinthe> why is ubuntu switching from c++ to g++ with breezy?
[04:47] <freddy_> iris_ sorry, ubuntu...linksys card, i can see the hardware wich is a good thing..i think
[04:47] <pressure_man> i mean stable as in not 2.5 anymore
[04:47] <nickrud> debian is the most conservative distro around
[04:47] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, g++ is a compiler for c++
[04:47] <tiglionabbit> pressure_man: debian is a very highly tested distro, meant to ve very stable, as it is used for webservers which can't crash on you while you're not looking
[04:47] <freddy_> iris_ i can even see the signal strenght
[04:47] <sfvt> freddy_: so the card shows up in the output from 'iwconfig'?
[04:47] <cafuego> pressure_man: Just coz it's not 2.5 anymore doesn't mean you'd want it running your cluster servers.
[04:47] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, they are not switching at all
[04:47] <blocky> if i download the mandrake version of envy24control and make it a deb with alien will it work properly?
[04:48] <tiglionabbit> pressure_man: testing takes time
[04:48] <freddy_> sfvt YES it does, and i think that is actually good thing..right?
[04:48] <absinthe> punkrockguy318, Then why all the hub-bub about it?
[04:48] <nickrud> I'll never run sarge, but, I'm damned glad that others do.
[04:48] <punkrockguy318> pressure_man, I wish Debian would come out with a predictable release schedule, it would make it easier for Debian users, and all the debian derivitives
[04:48] <sfvt> freddy_: well, it's a start ;)
[04:48] <pressure_man> err, gee thanks guys. by the way, i've been using slackware for about the last 10 years.
[04:48] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, ubuntu is switching from g++ 3.4 to 4.0
[04:48] <whitti> sfvt: If it fails, I'll come back and tell you. Thanks for the help
[04:48] <cafuego> ok, it's troll day
[04:48] <absinthe> punkrockguy318, Does that increase speed or something?
[04:48] <sfvt> whitti: cool. good luck.
[04:48] <iris_> freddy_, can you scan for wireless lans?
[04:49] <freddy_> iris_ how about doing that?
[04:49] <iris_> iwlist
[04:49] <Funk4544> hi all
[04:49] <Funk4544> back
[04:49] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, somewhat, there are a lot of new features.  but the big deal, is that gcc 4.0 breaks compatibility with 3.4.  It's going to be a PITA to get all the packages to compile with gcc-4.0
[04:49] <pressure_man> cafuego: i can't figure out why you say udev is the default with a 2.6 kernel on debian. my install is running plain old /dev nodes
[04:50] <absinthe> punkrockguy318, Oh I see. Thanks
[04:50] <pressure_man> it's a ~2 week old install
[04:50] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, no worries, man! anytime!
[04:50] <iris_> freddy_, like "iwlist <interface> scanning"
[04:50] <freddy_> iris_ iwlist shows me a bunch of "options" so i went with iwlist scanning...and it says wlan0 Failed to read scan data : Operation not supported
[04:50] <iris_> hmpf!
[04:51] <absinthe> So I've been thinking of trying a more "hands-on" or nitty-gritty linux distro. Any reccomendations?
[04:51] <nickrud> cafuego and, by the way, I'm damned glad I don't need to do Then again, 'ssh -X -C linuxbox evolution' :P
[04:51] <cafuego> nickrud: Eh?
[04:51] <jasmuz> I have a question, i own a Sharp Zaurus SL5500, i wish to establish connection between it and Ubuntu, i have multisync installed, anybody know how to?
[04:51] <tiglionabbit> absinthe: gentoo, lfs
[04:51] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, if you want a hands on distro, go with arch linux
[04:51] <blocky> absinthe, gentoo
[04:51] <iris_> mhh...
[04:51] <freddy_> iris_ :(
[04:51] <sfvt> freddy_: does your AP require WEP? Have you set the essid?
[04:51] <blocky> gentoo is hardcore and lfs is really hardcore
[04:51] <nickrud> cafuego maybe a bad paste of your reply
[04:51] <cafuego> nickrud: But's it's run to run that over a vpn over public wifi in a bar somewhere
[04:51] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, if you would like to compile EVERYTHING you install, go with gentoo.  But if you would like modest optimizated binaries, go with arch
[04:52] <cafuego> s/run/fun/
[04:52] <absinthe> punkrockguy318, I've been reading up on arch. I don't want to compile everything from source like gentoo. But I like the i686 optimization
[04:52] <freddy_> sfvt yes requires WEP, ive set the WEP, and the essid is the name of the network and yes i typed it
[04:52] <jasmuz> I have a question, i own a Sharp Zaurus SL5500, i wish to establish connection between it and Ubuntu, i have multisync installed, anybody know how to? query me
[04:52] <nickrud> cafuego fun can be run, and I get the drift
[04:52] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, yes, i've used arch for a long time.  it's quite speedy, and very customizable
[04:53] <cafuego> !find 2maildir
[04:53] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, i've learned a lot from using arch.. but now that i don't have time to fiddle, i've gone to ubuntu.  everything "just works", but it's still hackable
[04:53] <mig`> hmm
[04:53] <mig`> i think i will reinstall ubuntu in expert mode
[04:53] <cafuego> ubotu: test
[04:53] <ubotu> Passed
[04:53] <mig`> maybe then i'll be able to tell the kernel to have usb 2.0 compiled in
[04:53] <absinthe> punkrockguy318, I like to "fiddle" so I'll probably try it. Pacman looks pretty sweet
[04:53] <mig`> or does expert mode let me modify the initrd file?
[04:53] <mig`> i hope so... here i go
[04:53] <absinthe> punkrockguy318, How about Slackware?
[04:53] <sfvt> mig`: no, it will always be a module... unless you build your own kernel
[04:54] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, pacman is really nice.  it compares with apt.  apt is more mature and has more features, but pacman does everything you need it to do, and is very simple
[04:54] <freddy_> damn, i think i have no way out, do i?
[04:54] <iris_> freddy_, the wlan0 Failed to read scan data : Operation not supported shouldn't happen if everything is right, but i am no expert... :(
[04:54] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, never tried it myself, but I hear it's nice.  poor package manager though
[04:54] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of '2maildir' returned no results.
[04:54] <freddy_> iris_ i love you for trying...thanks man
[04:54] <iris_> is your wlan interface wlan0?
[04:54] <sfvt> freddy_: do you know for sure that your wifi driver supports WEP?
[04:54] <jasmuz> I have a question, i own a Sharp Zaurus SL5500, i wish to establish connection between it and Ubuntu, i have multisync installed, anybody know how to? query me
[04:54] <absinthe> punkrockguy318, Thanks. Well I'll try Arch.
[04:55] <freddy_> sfvt yes, it worked in *cough*windows*cough* :P
[04:55] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, good choice :)
[04:55] <freddy_> iris_ yes, at least thats how it looks
[04:55] <iris_> "thanks man" _^
[04:55] <sfvt> freddy_: that's not conclusive... that proves the card supports WEP, not the linux driver
[04:55] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, you can learn a lot from the documentation, and the forums and IRC are very friendly and helpful
[04:55] <absinthe> punkrockguy318, Installing it looks like a crazy time =)
[04:55] <cafuego> !find cyrus2courier
[04:56] <freddy_> sfvt oh...i can take the WEP out..and try...what do you think?
[04:56] <sfvt> freddy_: when I setup a wifi card, I always try to turn of WEP first, get the card working, then turn on WEP and try again.
[04:56] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, actually, the installer is pretty straightforward.  but an installed arch box is simply the barebones you need for a linux system.  you have to install everything else.  but, that's a blessing because you get no crap you don't want on your system
[04:56] <iris_> freddy_, that would be a good idea
[04:56] <freddy_> gonna turn that stuff out :D
[04:56] <freddy_> hold on a sex then
[04:56] <freddy_> err
[04:56] <freddy_> sec
[04:56] <freddy_> jesus..
[04:56] <Kyral> lol
[04:56] <iris_> :)
[04:56] <sfvt> freddy_: thanks for the offer, but I don't swing that way ;)
[04:57] <freddy_> hahaha
[04:57] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'cyrus2courier' returned no results.
[04:57] <absinthe> punkrockguy318, Thanks for helping me.
[04:57] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, anytime :)
[04:58] <jasmuz> I have a question, i own a Sharp Zaurus SL5500, i wish to establish connection between it and Ubuntu, i have multisync installed, anybody know how to? query me
[04:58] <iris_> jasmuz, i dont know how many hours i spent with that
[04:59] <concept10> Does anyone know how to install a theme manually in firefox?
[04:59] <iris_> do you have the openzaurus rom installed and the usbnet working
[05:01] <ivan__> anybody have problem using mozilla with mplayer plug-in? mine just load till 99% and stop there. any solution to this?
[05:01] <Trucido> Hello, all.  Bit of an installation question: is there a way for me to copy all the installation files to a hard disk, then plug that in and use it in lieu of a CD?
[05:01] <iris_> ivan__, where have you got the packages
[05:02] <ivan__> iris: i got it from the some body from the list group and i do a little of editing
[05:03] <sfvt|beer> Trucido: this is something folks used to do years ago before CDs were common... don't know if the installer supports this anymore.
[05:03] <blocky> can anyone help me find a download link for envy24control?
[05:03] <iris_> mhh, i got mine from marillat (maybe ubuntu backports).. and they work well...
[05:04] <crimsun> blocky, it's in the alsa-tools package located on alsa-project.org
[05:05] <crimsun> blocky, you'll need build-essential and libasound2-dev installed to compile it
[05:05] <blocky> thanks crimsun
[05:05] <Trucido> sfvt|beer: damn.  Would need some sort of boot disk anyway, wouldn't I?
[05:06] <sfvt|beer> Trucido: yeah.
[05:06] <ookii> i'mv having trouble installing jre in ubuntu, i've gotten the java virtual machine, but i can't seem to get jre
[05:06] <sfvt|beer> Trucido: or do a network boot
[05:07] <nickrud> Trucido you should be able to do a generic install of ubuntu on one machine, and swap the disk into another
[05:07] <Trucido> nickrud: it's not going to get cranky about hardware settings and such?
[05:07] <freddy_> idle
[05:07] <freddy_> :(
[05:08] <freddy_> no WEP on the router
[05:08] <freddy_> im gonna die
[05:08] <Trucido> sfvt|beer: is there a howto for that somewhere?
[05:08] <paul_> hola
[05:08] <sfvt|beer> freddy_: ok, what do you mean by 'idle'?
[05:08] <freddy_> in the Network Monitor...i can see wlan0 in idle status
[05:08] <nickrud> Trucido the only issue might be the video card, but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should fix that
[05:08] <sfvt|beer> Trucido: network booting? I think it's in the debian installer manual.
[05:08] <paul_> trucido search google for unofficial ubuntu users guide
[05:08] <freddy_> just plain idle...it wont out of there
[05:09] <sfvt|beer> freddy_: don't know much about "Network Monitor"...
[05:09] <paul_> iftop
[05:09] <freddy_> sudo ifup wlan0 returns No DHCPOFFERS received - No working leases in persisten database - sleeping.
[05:09] <paul_> use synaptic search for iftop and run from console
[05:10] <freddy_> i dont have iftop
[05:10] <paul_> download it thru synaptic
[05:10] <freddy_> oh...sorry im ignorant on that fact.
[05:10] <freddy_> :(
[05:10] <nickrud> Trucido at least, that (and boot the 386 version) was all I had to do when I swapped this disk into another machine
[05:11] <paul_> synaptic is easy tofigure out, its under system, administration
[05:11] <sfvt|beer> freddy_: I think I asked this (the beer) but you've set your essid? It's shows up correct in the output from 'iwconfig'?
[05:11] <Trucido> Well, these two machines are about as different as it's possible to get.  Guess it can't hurt to try, though.
[05:11] <freddy_> sfvt|beer holy shiat...
[05:11] <sfvt|beer> Trucido: the idea about transfering the disk should be OK... as long as you configure grub correctly for the target machine before transfering it
[05:11] <freddy_> it doesnt
[05:12] <freddy_> it says off/any
[05:12] <freddy_> what the....
[05:12] <freddy_> how can i go about configuring that man?
[05:12] <sfvt|beer> freddy_: iwconfig INTERFACE essid NAME
[05:12] <freddy_> what the...hell
[05:12] <nickrud> Trucido sfvt|beer yes, both disks were hda, good point
[05:12] <paul_> any chicks in here?
[05:13] <bryan> hello, again, all.... still looking for some answers about dual booting w/ 2 hds... grub wont load anything for me; hangs at "grub loading, please wait..."
[05:13] <nickrud> that is, both disks were recognized as hda
[05:13] <sfvt|beer> I love the gym teacher on Mad TV ;)
[05:13] <paul_> robin meade on cnn is hot
[05:13] <sfvt|beer> guess the beer helps a bit...
[05:13] <freddy_> sfvt|beer it doesnt take it man :(
[05:14] <jasmuz> I have a question, i own a Sharp Zaurus SL5500, i wish to establish connection between it and Ubuntu, i have multisync installed, anybody know how to? query me
[05:14] <sfvt|beer> freddy_: you get an error?
[05:14] <freddy_> i did that....and now iwconfig again....and i cant see it
[05:14] <freddy_> sfvt|beer no...i get prompt...so it seems good
[05:14] <freddy_> but i go iwconfig again...and it says off/any again
[05:14] <sfvt|beer> nicrud: welcome!
[05:14] <nickrud|beer> anyway, I meant that the disk was recognized as hda on both machines :)
[05:14] <crimsun> paul_, on-topic, please
[05:15] <beginnerMKII> Hey jasmuz
[05:15] <pressure_man> cafuego: http://os.newsforge.com/print.pl?sid=04/12/23/2023223 - udev is not the default on debian, even when selecting a 2.6 kernel
[05:15] <leanne> can I get ubuntu help here?
[05:15] <crimsun> leanne, absolutely.
[05:15] <beginnerMKII> I am thinking of doing a dualboot, do i get to choose between hda & hdb ??
[05:16] <pressure_man> you can choose any hard disk
[05:16] <paul_> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[05:16] <leanne> I have tried to install ubuntu several times, once as expert entering my own root password, and still when I try to enter a root terminal it says the password is wrong
[05:16] <leanne> what am I doing wrong?
[05:16] <paul_> you have to enable root
[05:16] <beginnerMKII> At that partition screen thing pressure_man?
[05:16] <crimsun> leanne, Ubuntu uses sudo. There's a FAQ on it.
[05:16] <Kyral> Ubuntu uses sudo
[05:16] <pressure_man> beginnerMKII: that's right
[05:16] <paul_> go to this link , and read http://ubuntuguide.org/
[05:16] <crimsun> leanne, use the user password you entered during the install.
[05:17] <pressure_man> does that work crimsun?
[05:17] <pressure_man> i always had to 'sudo passwd root'
[05:17] <pressure_man> (from the basic user account)
[05:17] <crimsun> pressure_man, sudo -s, then passwd
[05:17] <paul_> you can enable root login
[05:17] <paul_> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[05:17] <crimsun> pressure_man, of course, it's preferable to use sudo instead of su'ing continually
[05:18] <pressure_man> heheh, unless about 90% of your work is admin-type work, requiring root.
[05:18] <beginnerMKII> Is it possible to exit the installation at those different screens if i want?? i.e. 13.partition......17. setting user name & password
[05:18] <paul_> http://ubuntuguide.org/#allowrootlogingnome
[05:18] <pressure_man> i don't really feel like typing 'sudo blah' 238164432 times a day.
[05:18] <crimsun> pressure_man, "requiring root" implying that you'd rather not prefix the sudo command? That's fairly trivial.
[05:19] <paul_> pressure did you see that link?
[05:19] <crimsun> heck, just alias it.
[05:19] <pressure_man> yep, thanks paul
[05:19] <paul_> otay
[05:19] <sfvt|beer> pressure_man: if you need super user access that much,. then there's something wrong.
[05:19] <pressure_man> but i'd never, ever log into a gui as root.
[05:19] <bryan> is there a problem with grub included w/ 5.04?
[05:19] <nickrud> heh, I've used sudo for years, it's a trivial mind check. And worth it
[05:19] <sfvt|beer> nickrud: amen
[05:19] <paul_> ever try to edit apache from sudo?
[05:20] <ShamblyHermit> unless the gui is windows :P
[05:20] <sfvt|beer> paul_: yep
[05:20] <sfvt|beer> paul_: your point?
[05:20] <leanne> ok what if my password didnt work either?
[05:20] <leanne> why can't I be root anywyas?
[05:20] <pressure_man> if a normal user is able to sudo each and every command, how is that different to simply logging in as root?
[05:20] <paul_> its easier to log in to root and edit cofig files is my point
[05:21] <ShamblyHermit> open a term as root and edit
[05:21] <pressure_man> my understanding of sudo is that it was useful to allow normal users to execute ~some~ commands that require root
[05:21] <Jimbob> Funny how I have to admin 4 linux servers, 3 linux desktops, and I still prefer sudo to having to remember 7 different root passwords... ;-)
[05:21] <sfvt|beer> pressure_man: a "normal" user isn't. Just the first user created during install and users who are placed in the adm group
[05:21] <paul_> not everyone is a command line guru
[05:21] <beginnerMKII> Once i have Ubuntu installed on hdb, which one boots when i turn the computer, XP right?? How do i get Ubuntu to run, do i go into BIOS and select OS/2 on startup ?????
[05:21] <nickrud> paul_ then, sudo -[i|s]  depending on the need, you get what you need
[05:21] <ookii> hey anyone know how to install jre?
[05:21] <jasmuz> I have a question, i own a Sharp Zaurus SL5500, i wish to establish connection between it and Ubuntu, i have multisync installed, anybody know how to? query me
[05:21] <sfvt|beer> paul_: the point of Ubuntu is to try and remove the dependcy on the command line. if there are operations you find yourself doing a lot that require sudo, then perhaps you should address the apps and not sudo.
[05:21] <pressure_man> sfvt|beer: sure, but that first user is essentially root
[05:22] <leanne> someone please tell me why I can't log in as root.
[05:22] <paul_> how to do almost everything in ubuntu..... please go to this link l.....  http://ubuntuguide.org/
[05:22] <bryan> leanne: ubuntu disables root, or at least thats what ive been told
[05:22] <jasmuz> leanne: because we prefer to use sudo
[05:22] <sfvt|beer> pressure_man: the user installing the system is given special status... i mean, he/she is installing the system after all
[05:22] <leanne> okay, forgive me but what is sudo?
[05:22] <bryan> paul_: the guide doesnt really help w/ two-hd booting... ive tried
[05:23] <Shuddertrix> leanne: root has no password by default, sudo is perferred.
[05:23] <freddy_> well
[05:23] <pressure_man> any user that is allowed to execute ~any~ command via sudo, is as powerful/dangerous as root himself.
[05:23] <paul_> http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[05:23] <freddy_> in spanish it means sweat
[05:23] <freddy_> lol
[05:23] <nickrud> man, you go away for a while, and google changes out from under you.
[05:23] <paul_> ok bryan, i said almost everything
[05:23] <sfvt|beer> pressure_man: like someone just said, it's a saftey measure.
[05:23] <pressure_man> freedy_: that's pretty appropriate.
[05:23] <pressure_man> how is it safer?!
[05:23] <bryan> paul_: it was helpful w/ everything else... any insight on my 2hd booting issue?
[05:23] <freddy_> freedy lol
[05:23] <hondje> It's not a safety measure
[05:23] <hondje> It's to make life easier
[05:24] <freddy_> sfvt|beer cant cant cant :(
[05:24] <paul_> no i run a dedicated linux machine, dual booting seems kinda pointless to me
[05:24] <sfvt|beer> freddy_: cant? what?
[05:24] <paul_> so ive never tried to dual boot ubuntu, but i have dual booted xandros ok
[05:24] <freddy_> iwconfig wlan0 essid Alcaldia throws me to a prompt again.
[05:24] <pressure_man> i dual boot ubuntu and winxp fine
[05:24] <freddy_> so that seems ....good
[05:24] <beginnerMKII> How did you do that paul_?
[05:24] <Shuddertrix> I perfer having a terminal open at all times logged in as root, as it's easier that way
[05:24] <bryan> paul_: my wife insists on winxp and we have a spare so hd, so i though it'd be easy...
[05:25] <bryan> pressure_man: howd you set it up?
[05:25] <freddy_> sfvt|beer iwconfig wlan0 essid Alcaldia throws me to a prompt again.
[05:25] <freddy_> sfvt|beer that seems good
[05:25] <paul_> in xandros its a straight forward dialogue on install to dual boot, dunno about ubuntu
[05:25] <pressure_man> at least, i did dual boot ubuntu and winxp until this afternoon when i tried out breezy.
[05:25] <sham> whats the command to reconfigure xserver?
[05:25] <sfvt|beer> freddy_: well, it's suppose to return to the prompt.... but does it CHANGE the essid?
[05:25] <leanne> ok now I tried sudop and it says I am not in the sudoers file (even though I am the only cofigured user on here)  and it says the incident will be reported (to the nonexistent root I assume
[05:25] <pressure_man> now my ubuntu is no more... <sob>
[05:25] <freddy_> sfvt|beer but then i go with iwconfig again...and i get the same off/any
[05:25] <hindley> you can get a root shell by doing "sudo -s" anyway
[05:25] <sfvt|beer> freddy_: damn :(
[05:25] <freddy_> a lot of damn :(
[05:25] <cafuego> leanne: You need to add your user account into the 'admin' group.
[05:26] <pressure_man> bryan: just install ubuntu to a spare partition and it should detect your winxp partition, and list it as an option in grub menu
[05:26] <sfvt|beer> freddy_: remind me... what driver is it?
[05:26] <leanne> how do I access the accounts without the root password?
[05:26] <sham> how can i reconfigure xserver?
[05:26] <sham> whats the command
[05:27] <phaedrus_> hey Token....wudddduuuuuuup
[05:27] <paul_> # Read How to set/change/enable root user password?
[05:27] <paul_> # System -> Administration -> Login Screen Setup
[05:27] <paul_> # Login Screen Setup
[05:27] <phaedrus_> lol
[05:27] <paul_> Security Tab -> Options -> Allow root to login with GDM (Checked)
[05:27] <bryan> pressure_man: got that far... when the system reboots, it hangs at:
[05:27] <bryan> [i] GRUB loading, please wait...[/i] 
[05:27] <[myg0t] blocky> okay I'm trying to compile envy24control from alsa-tools
[05:27] <bryan> and then nothing....
[05:27] <TokenBad> not much phaedrus_
[05:27] <[myg0t] blocky> but its giving me a whole whack of errors about GTK
[05:27] <cafuego> leanne: You need to do thata s root, which means you'll need to reboot and select the 'Restore' option.
[05:27] <cafuego> leanne: That will dump you in single-user mode in a root shell.
[05:28] <cafuego> leanne: Then type 'adduser leanne admin'
[05:28] <leanne> and then I go through some unintelligible command line nonsense I assume?
[05:28] <[myg0t] blocky> even though I installed gtk2-engines-dev
[05:28] <cafuego> leanne: And then 'exit'. the system will resume booting and you'll be able to run sudo.
[05:28] <freddy_> sfvt|beer ndiswrapper...the driver on the wifi card linksys WPC54GS
[05:28] <jasmuz> leanne: because we prefer to use sudo
[05:29] <leanne> ok... how to I get to restore?
[05:29] <cafuego> leanne: Reboot and select it from the boot loader menu.
[05:29] <[myg0t] blocky> also libgtk2.0-dev
[05:29] <sfvt|beer> freddy_: ugh... ndiswrapper. I've been avoiding this like the plague. The card isn't supported by a native driver?
[05:29] <ookii> can anyone please help me install jre, i'm getting kind of desperate
[05:29] <freddy_> nop
[05:29] <freddy_> :*
[05:29] <jasmuz> ookii: i can help
[05:29] <jasmuz> ookii: query me
[05:29] <sfvt|beer> ookii: what's the problem? java is pretty easy to install :)
[05:29] <leanne> so whoever is coding the os should account for people not knowing how to do this
[05:30] <blockit> lol
[05:30] <comadreja> where can I find etags and ebrowse in ubuntu ?
[05:30] <ookii> well getting java was easy, but jre is harder
[05:30] <sfvt|beer> ookii: hmm... explain what you're trying to do... I'm confused....
[05:31] <nickrud> ookii jre is easy, $ sudo apt-get update
[05:31] <nickrud> $ sudo apt-get install java-package java-common fakeroot
[05:31] <nickrud> download the sun jdk from java.sun.com
[05:31] <nickrud> ** edit /usr/share/java-package/sun-j2sdk.sh to reflect the actual JDK 1.5 release version.
[05:31] <nickrud> $ fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin
[05:31] <nickrud> $ sudo dpkg -i sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb
[05:31] <roy_> can anyone tell me how to change the user quota using quotatool?
[05:31] <paul_> leanne your gonna have to learn some command line stuff eventually, i tried not to for a long time and it only kept me from fully utilizing linux
[05:31] <sham> does anyone know the command to reconfigure xserver? it didnt install right
[05:31] <nickrud> heh, sorry, I did not mean to flood
[05:31] <leanne> fine :(
[05:31] <cafuego> !xcfg
[05:31] <ubotu> 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' - Make sure to READ the info you get given, so you don't come back here to ask what you should enter in a field you were told to just leave blank.
[05:32] <paul_> most of the commands you need can be found in google
[05:32] <sfvt|beer> sham: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:32] <sham> thanks
[05:32] <cafuego> leanne: Well, normally the installer would add the user that is created to the admin group. That ahs worked fine on all ubuntu installs I've ever done.
[05:32] <TokenBad> in ubuntu how can see how much memory is being used?
[05:33] <cafuego> TokenBad: 'free'
[05:33] <jasmuz> ookii: query me
[05:33] <TokenBad> ok someone tell me what all it means?
[05:33] <leanne> ok thank you.
[05:33] <leanne> enjoy your repective evenings
[05:33] <pressure_man> my evening is usually disrespective
[05:34] <paul_> whens the next final release of ubuntu due?
[05:34] <pressure_man> october
[05:34] <crimsun> october
[05:34] <blockit> can someone help me with compiling envy24control
[05:34] <pallav> i finished installing wu ftp
[05:34] <paul_> breezy
[05:34] <cafuego> TokenBad: Your free memory is what'sl isted under 'free' plus what's under 'cached'.
[05:34] <blockit> i get hundreds of errors like this
[05:34] <crimsun> blockit, did you follow my suggestions?
[05:34] <blockit> envy24control.c:508: error: `GtkWidget' undeclared (first use in this function)
[05:34] <pallav> but where should i look for in order to run it
[05:34] <blockit> i got those 2 packages
[05:34] <crimsun> blockit, you also need libgtk1.2-dev
[05:34] <pressure_man> pallav: why on earth do you want to run wu ftp?
[05:34] <blockit> and downloaded alsa-tools from their site
[05:34] <roy_> i have 20 gb on my root, but only have access to 2 gb in my user name. help changing quota?
[05:35] <blockit> i got that too
[05:35] <blockit> i think
[05:35] <paul_> what changes are planned for breezy?
[05:35] <cafuego> blockit: maybe the source is broken.
[05:35] <blockit> wait thats the old one?
[05:35] <nickrud> august may be runnable, i think
[05:35] <TokenBad> cafuego, its gave alot of lines
[05:35] <crimsun> blockit, install libgtk1.2-dev :)
[05:35] <TokenBad> like 3 I think
[05:35] <pallav> for file file transfer??
[05:35] <pallav> i guess
[05:35] <pressure_man> paul_: first, they're gonna totally break gpanel. then they're going to proceed to break the rest of X ;-)
[05:35] <pallav> what would be a better alternative??
[05:35] <blockit> libgtk1.2-dev is already the newest version.
[05:35] <cafuego> TokenBad: Yes. 3 lines, 7 columns.
[05:35] <nickrud> late august, anyway, I hope
[05:35] <sfvt|away> paul_: look on wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:35] <sfvt|away> paul_: BreezyGoals I think
[05:36] <pressure_man> hopefully we get some new artwork in breezy.
[05:36] <TokenBad> so what part of that is my memory?
[05:36] <blockit> do you think i should try a newer rc of the source?
[05:36] <paul_> lol, theyve painted themselves in a corner with their philosophy of totally open source me thinks
[05:36] <pressure_man> i'm tired of shit brown.
[05:36] <blockit> i took the highest 'stable' release
[05:36] <pallav> new to bantu and any other GUI based unix sys
[05:36] <pallav> so don't really no what to do...
[05:36] <cafuego> TokenBad: All of it. The total ius listed under total on the 'Mem' row.
[05:36] <nickrud> paul_ the great thing about open source, is you get to step on it
[05:36] <pressure_man> pallav: proftpd is a good one. vsftpd is better.
[05:36] <blockit> alsa-tools-1.0.9.tar.bz2
[05:36] <blockit> and it wont compile
[05:37] <pallav> ok
[05:37] <pressure_man> pallav: wu ftpd  has had a very spotty security history
[05:37] <WildTangent> i know this isnt the right channel, but the right channel wasnt a lot of help. does anyone here know if knoppix has a tool to restore the windows boot loader?
[05:37] <paul_> well the opensource philosophy is easily circumvented
[05:37] <pallav> and after installation where should i look for it??
[05:37] <cafuego> TokenBad: The free memory is listed on the Mem: row under the 'free column. You should add whatever is listed under the 'cached' column too.
[05:37] <crimsun> blockit, sec, need to log in
[05:37] <TokenBad> ok
[05:37] <cafuego> WildTangent: #knoppix is there -->
[05:37] <pressure_man> pallav: apt-get install vsftpd. then edit the config in /etc/vsftpd.conf
[05:37] <WildTangent> i know..but its dead
[05:38] <paul_> i like puppy linux for a live cd, runs from memory instead of cdrom
[05:38] <cafuego> WildTangent: Well, how should we knoe if knoppix includesthe 'ms-sys' package? We don't use knoppix.
[05:38] <blockit> heh
[05:38] <user00265> what was that command to install packages again?
[05:38] <beer|sfvt> WildTanget: won't the windows cdrom do that?
[05:38] <WildTangent> just asking if anyone happened to know, if you dont, thats fine, just say so. i didnt ask for attitude
[05:38] <blockit> crimsun, please dont leave i will be back in 2 minutes
[05:38] <jasmuz> I have a question, i own a Sharp Zaurus SL5500, i wish to establish connection between it and Ubuntu, i have multisync installed, anybody know how to? query me
[05:39] <paul_> apt-get install
[05:39] <pressure_man> i think ubuntu should align their releases with 24th december.
[05:39] <sham> once i configure xserver it brings me back to command line
[05:39] <sham> what do i do
[05:39] <beer|sfvt> WildTanget: but we have it to spare ;)
[05:39] <pressure_man> so we can all have a shiny new ubuntu on xmas morning
[05:39] <user00265> thanks :)
[05:39] <beer|sfvt> pressure_man: no, I think Apr 13 is more approriate
[05:40] <freddy> omg :(
[05:40] <cafuego> sham: run X
[05:40] <sham> whats the command
[05:40] <paul_> transcoding a video on my winderz box, any aps for linux in that realm?
[05:40] <pressure_man> no matter, ubuntu will get about 3 new releases in before we see Looooooonghorn.
[05:40] <beer|sfvt> sham: to start X? try sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[05:40] <WildTangent> lol, longhorns going to spy on you
[05:40] <freddy> beer|sfvt, dude :( you dont have any thought?
[05:40] <WildTangent> M$ bought claria, the makers of Gator
[05:40] <crimsun> paul_, transcode. You may need to compile it manually if it's not available in a repository already.
[05:40] <paul_> longhorn will fail miserably
[05:40] <cafuego> paul_: 'transcode'
[05:41] <pressure_man> Windows codename Longhorn: guaranteed to be the most dual-booted OS in history.
[05:41] <WildTangent> everyones favourite adware/spyware program
[05:41] <paul_> xp will live on forever
[05:41] <paul_> its free hehe
[05:41] <pressure_man> The day that Microsoft make a product that doesn't suck is the day they make a vacuum cleaner.
[05:41] <WildTangent> yes, XP is decent, longhorn isnt all that different
[05:41] <nickrud> heh, I have a legacy win98 intstall, I don't even have a disk to rescue it anymore. Who cares?
[05:41] <beer|sfvt> freddy: nope. I'm a little curious about ndiswrapper. I should probably try it sometime just to see how it works.
[05:41] <WildTangent> lol
[05:42] <freddy> oh well..thanks anyways man
[05:42] <pressure_man> Computers are like air conditioners. They work fine until you open Windows.
[05:42] <tamiya> MS forever!!!!!!!!!!
[05:42] <pressure_man> i'm here all week folks.
[05:42] <tamiya> how much does MS have in cold hard cash?
[05:42] <Agabus> hey people im about to install ubuntu for 64bit, first time i'm doing a 64bit install, i was wondering whether the repository apt-get available downloads are going to be compiled for 64bit? or do i still use the default 32bit repositories?
[05:42] <beer|sfvt> freddy: no problem... you're sure that there is no native driver for your card?
[05:42] <ShamblyHermit> Multiple Sclerosis?
[05:42] <Michel> Has anyone installed lirc under ubuntu?
[05:42] <eno> so what is better than ubuntu
[05:43] <pressure_man> Windows is written by programmers with MS.... heheh
[05:43] <paul_> define better
[05:43] <ShamblyHermit> eno - LFS
[05:43] <eno> this is extremely frustrating and I think I was happier with windoze
[05:43] <freddy> beer|sfvt, sure sure
[05:43] <freddy> =/
[05:43] <sham> ok i went through the entire config wized and input everything correctly and restarted X but it didnt work
[05:43] <eno> knoppix was awesome but it wouldn't install permanently
[05:43] <paul_> if you want a distro with no fuss or muss, get xandros, ubuntu will teach you more tho
[05:43] <beer|sfvt> john madden :P
[05:43] <ShamblyHermit> eno - Then you must really try LFS
[05:43] <misfit_toy> anybody have a better (i.e. easier to install) version of this? http://freshmeat.net/projects/qps/
[05:43] <Kyral> eno what us the problem?
[05:43] <WildTangent> Agavus: 64 bit gets a little temperamental, be prepared for bugs
[05:43] <freddy> i think windows is nice as linux is...just for diferent users.
[05:43] <remyforbes777> hey guys
[05:44] <nickrud> Agabus I hear that that there are some things that won't run under 64bit (firefox plugins, to start) unless you can work a chroot.
[05:44] <eno> the computer doesn't let me run apt
[05:44] <blocky> crimsun, any thoughts?
[05:44] <remyforbes777> got a question about kernel compilation
[05:44] <crimsun> freddy, driver for what card?
[05:44] <paul_> sudo apt-get install
[05:44] <crimsun> blocky, on what?
[05:44] <Kyral> eno: Have you tried sudo apt-get install?
[05:44] <pressure_man> linux runs faster. it doesn't need to run an antivirus prog which sucks 95% resources.
[05:44] <Michel> Has anyone installed lirc under ubuntu?
[05:44] <crimsun> blocky, it compiles fine for me here on Hoary (amd64)
[05:44] <remyforbes777> in the directory grup there is a file called initrd.img(kernel version)
[05:44] <blocky> on how i could get envy24control compiled
[05:44] <Agabus> WildTangent - why should it be any different/more buggy on 64bit? its just the same code compiled?
[05:44] <tamiya> if Microsoft has $100 billion (Australian) in cold hard cash, they'd earn $14.79 million dollars a DAY in an online savings account. Enough to pay for salaries even if they dont turn a profit
[05:44] <blocky> do you think i should try an earlier/later version?
[05:44] <freddy> i wont tell windows sucks, that is just aweful...they make a wonderful job...that its not like think and create...they work hard, as linux developers do...i think that both are awesome OS.
[05:44] <WildTangent> not really
[05:44] <remyforbes777> what does that file do
[05:45] <crimsun> blocky, are you on Hoary or Breezy?
[05:45] <WildTangent> the programs arent compiled for 64 bit
[05:45] <crimsun> blocky, 1.0.9 compiles fine for me.
[05:45] <tamiya> hahah linux :D
[05:45] <pressure_man> tamiya: is it enough to pay EU fines?
[05:45] <freddy> crimsun, linksys WPC54GS
[05:45] <paul_> i like whories
[05:45] <crimsun> freddy, ah, sorry.
[05:45] <blocky> hoary
[05:45] <tamiya> imagine the compounding interest
[05:45] <tamiya> i cant
[05:45] <remyforbes777> when i compile my kernel is a vile called initr.d img-kernelversion created?
[05:45] <freddy> ah damn :(
[05:45] <remyforbes777> file
[05:45] <crimsun> blocky, I literally installed build-essential, libasound2-dev, and libgtk1.2-dev. It compiles fine.
[05:45] <eno> ok I did that, it says I am not in the sudoers file and that the incident will be reported
[05:45] <tamiya> they can delay the EU fines
[05:45] <tamiya> MS aint going out of busiiness
[05:46] <pressure_man> and how much of that $100M is actually cash, instead of stocks?
[05:46] <Kyral> eno: Are you on the primary user account?
[05:46] <blocky> mine throws a huge number of errors about GTK stuff
[05:46] <blocky> undefined widget etc
[05:46] <eno> I don't know
[05:46] <eno> I just installed, and this is the only account
[05:46] <paul_> then you dont have any priviledges under your account eno
[05:46] <pressure_man> i'm not sure i would invest in MS these days
[05:46] <crimsun> blocky, you're inside the envy24control source directory, correct?
[05:46] <WildTangent> eno: are you the person that set this install up?
[05:46] <blocky> yes
[05:46] <eno> why not, there are no other users
[05:46] <Kyral> eno: Then you should have sudo power
[05:46] <blocky> the configure worked fine
[05:46] <eno> yes
[05:46] <eno> well what if I don't
[05:46] <blocky> i tried to make as a normal user and as root
[05:47] <tamiya> if that was stocks, MS would make even more money
[05:47] <WildTangent> wait...i had this problem on my first install, but it was because by some twist of fate, no user account was created, i had to login in the command prompt with root and make one
[05:47] <WildTangent> but it wasnt a sudo account
[05:47] <paul_> any chicks with nude pics inhere, preferably ones who weigh less than 175 pounds
[05:47] <tamiya> the curent interrest rate in Aust is only 5.5%
[05:47] <pressure_man> until the world switches to macosx/linux, and the value of MS shares tumbles
[05:47] <WildTangent> so i had to set that after
[05:47] <blocky> how odd
[05:47] <blocky> i just rebooted
[05:47] <blocky> and now it works
[05:47] <tamiya> whoops, i made my calculation on $100 billion using 5.4% instead of 5.5%
[05:48] <crimsun> blocky, http://pastebin.ca/16755
[05:48] <blocky> exact same sequence of commands
[05:48] <blocky> lemme see if it installs
[05:48] <pressure_man> i reckon within 10 years, the US will be about the only country using MS on a large scale.
[05:48] <eno> so I don't have sudo power, even though I should... what is the remedy?  migrate back to xp I suppose?
[05:48] <paul_> if you fucked up a ubuntu install, you probably should go back to windoz
[05:48] <Kyral> eno: I think WildTangent just told you what to do :P
[05:48] <blocky> hmm
[05:48] <WildTangent> login with with the command prompt, i believe you press escape while the computer boots to get to the menu
[05:48] <blocky> well its compiled
[05:48] <tamiya> eno: yes, XP is your best bet
[05:48] <blocky> but it says No ICE1712 cards found
[05:48] <blocky> so thats the next problem
[05:49] <pressure_man> anyway... kill -9 `pidof pressure_man`
[05:49] <eno> well this is totally retarded
[05:49] <jinnstar7> why is it that everybody who has any problem with linux no matter how small, their first inclination is to threaten to go back to xp
[05:49] <crimsun> blocky, so make sure it's loaded.
[05:49] <WildTangent> theres something in the guide about logging in as root in the command prompt
[05:49] <crimsun> blocky, lsmod|grep ^snd_ice
[05:49] <blocky> well im listening to xmms
[05:49] <beer|sfvt> freddy: have you read this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7319.html
[05:49] <tamiya> jinnstar7: why? who cares why. fix it
[05:49] <eno> oh is it in the guide?  I didn't see that
[05:49] <WildTangent> eno: if you think its retarded then mayber youre better suited for XP
[05:49] <blocky> snd_ice1724            49060  2
[05:49] <blocky> snd_ice17xx_ak4xxx      4096  1 snd_ice1724
[05:49] <WildTangent> ill get the guide page for you
[05:49] <paul_> zzzzzz kill
[05:49] <eno> I am just frustrated
[05:49] <WildTangent> it happens
[05:49] <tamiya> eno: understandable mate
[05:50] <Kyral> yah
[05:50] <blocky> appears to be loaded
[05:50] <eno> I have been trying to install linux for days.  arklinux corrupted one of my hard drives somehow
[05:50] <jinnstar7> tamiya, agreed, however if that same person has a problem with xp they don't go running to a xp message board or chat threatening to run to mac os or linux or bsd
[05:50] <aimaz> anyone who hasn't been frustrated with linux at some point has never used it
[05:50] <Kyral> We've all been there *cough*GENTOO*cough*
[05:50] <eno> blag was cool, maybe I should go back to that
[05:50] <tamiya> jinnstar7: they'd probably know someone in person that could help
[05:51] <pallav> pressure_man
[05:51] <tamiya> help with WinXP, that is
[05:51] <crimsun> blocky, it doesn't work at all with the 1724
[05:51] <crimsun> blocky, you need to use alsamixer or amixer instead
[05:51] <pallav> how to start the service ??
[05:51] <nickrud> *LFS(pre-split)*cough*
[05:51] <eno> I think linux takes longer to boot but it's faster once you are in
[05:51] <kevogod> GNU/Linux is faster than what?
[05:52] <eno> windoze
[05:52] <jinnstar7> take a look at linuxquestions.org see how many posts start with HELP me now or I'm running back to XP!!! ( in all caps)
[05:52] <tamiya> eno: you're joking right
[05:52] <WildTangent> eno: are you using warty or hoary?
[05:52] <Kyral> Actually Linux is faster to boot :P
[05:52] <eno> hoary
[05:52] <tamiya> windows feels way faster
[05:52] <beer|sfvt> jinnstar7: amen. I hate when people threaten to run back to windows.
[05:52] <tamiya> far snappier
[05:52] <Amaranth> windows boots faster
[05:52] <Amaranth> because it cheats
[05:52] <Kyral> tamiya: I hope that is sarcasm
[05:52] <jasmuz> I have a question, i own a Sharp Zaurus SL5500, i wish to establish connection between it and Ubuntu, i have multisync installed, anybody know how to? query me
[05:52] <eno> yeah it's like it keeps loading everything all the time
[05:52] <tamiya> amaranth: cheating is good :D
[05:53] <beer|sfvt> jasmuz: your persistent. I like that ;)
[05:53] <Amaranth> it would actually run slower but things would feel faster
[05:53] <blocky> mine is a VIA Envy 24PT
[05:53] <kevogod> Mac OS 10.4.X boots faster yet.
[05:53] <nickrud> lol
[05:53] <WildTangent> eno: http://ubuntuguide.org/#gainrootwithoutlogin
[05:53] <kevogod> launchd man
[05:53] <tamiya> i wish MS would put large chunks of the OS in ROM, EEPROM, firmware, whatever :D
[05:53] <blocky> crimsun, why is envy24control looking for 1724?
[05:53] <nickrud> truth is lies, lies are truth
[05:53] <Amaranth> launchd is a little cracktastic
[05:53] <blocky> its an AV-710
[05:53] <eno> thanks for the url buddy *D
[05:53] <tamiya> or someone make a flash drive thats writeable foreever
[05:54] <Amaranth> it uses xml plists, which is odd
[05:54] <crimsun> blocky, the code literally doesn't support the 1724 yet
[05:54] <jasmuz> beer|sfvt: somewhat
[05:54] <hondje> Amaranth: does anything use launchd yet?
[05:54] <kevogod> Mac OS 10.4.X
[05:54] <Kyral> OS X is NIIIICE
[05:54] <blocky> well what can i use as a 7.1 mixer?
[05:55] <tamiya> kyral: agreed
[05:55] <kevogod> There might be plans to implement it in FreeBSD
[05:55] <Kyral> the one thing I dislike about Safari is no tabbed browsing
[05:55] <jinnstar7> osx is very nice.....it feels too sterile to me though
[05:55] <kevogod> uh
[05:55] <tamiya> I'm planning to get me a Mac
[05:55] <eno> hey um wildtangent, um when I do that it puts me at a command prompt...
[05:55] <kevogod> There is too.
[05:55] <pallav> how to start vsftpd??
[05:55] <kevogod> Kyral: You have to turn tabbed browsing on.
[05:55] <freddy> is it correct that when i do ifconfig the Link encap on  eth0 is the same on wlan0?
[05:55] <calc> pallav: /etc/init.d/vsftpd start
[05:55] <Kyral> Not in the one on my uncles Mac, but hten again I wasn't allowed to screw with configs under threat of death
[05:55] <kevogod> Kyral: It is a simple tick of a checkbox and then Safari uses tabbed browsing.
[05:56] <WildTangent> theres a different one you need, recovery mode gives you a command prompt, but you need to login as root
[05:56] <WildTangent> you need to have a root pass to do that
[05:56] <WildTangent> and by default, ubuntu doesnt set one
[05:56] <eno> I installed with a root pasword
[05:56] <WildTangent> http://ubuntuguide.org/#gainrootmodifykernel
[05:56] <beer|sfvt> freddy: the Hwaddr?
[05:56] <eno> do you want to know what it is?
[05:56] <remyforbes777> kernel question
[05:56] <kevogod> Kyral: To be truthful, a lot of people do not like tabbed browsing.
[05:56] <freddy> beer|sfvt, its diferent on eth0 and wlan0
[05:56] <Kyral> but anyway, I would LOVE to see a WM based on OSX (hell, maybe even a reverse engineered one)
[05:56] <jinnstar7> kevogod: like who?
[05:56] <WildTangent> ?
[05:57] <freddy> beer|sfvt, but the eth0 is Ethernet on both
[05:57] <beer|sfvt> freddy: as it should be... assuming they're different devices
[05:57] <kevogod> jinnstar7: Your average computer user
[05:57] <freddy> beer|sfvt,  i really think this is more like a configuration issue than a card issue :(
[05:57] <remyforbes777> there is a file in the boot directory called initr.d (old kernel) should I have one of these reflecting my new compiled kernel and if so where do i get it from
[05:57] <freddy> beer|sfvt, more like trying to configure it with ifconfig or something
[05:57] <eno> um, so is xandros any good?
[05:57] <freddy> i need to configure the device....
[05:57] <Kyral> some effects I would love to see in GNOME or something
[05:58] <WildTangent> i heard it was ok
[05:58] <jinnstar7> kevogod: I don't believe I've met anyone who doesn't prefer tabbed browsing to separate windows after trying it
[05:58] <blocky> crimsun, do you know what i can use as a mixer for my 7.1 setup?
[05:58] <WildTangent> if you want a really easy to use, no hastle distro, try out PC Linux OS
[05:58] <Kyral> I'm gonna get a Mac Mini just so I can screw around and install Portage on it :P
[05:58] <eno> anyways, I give up.  I can use my computer without installing frozen bubble
[05:58] <remyforbes777> there is a file in the boot directory called initr.d (old kernel) should I have one of these reflecting my new compiled kernel and if so where do i get it from
[05:58] <eno> I will just use the web port
[05:59] <Kyral> eno: Next time you reboot.. :P
[05:59] <beer|sfvt> freddy: configuring with ifconfig won't be much use if you dont have the essid set correctly.
[06:00] <beer|sfvt> freddy: you need to find someone who has used ndiswrapper before and see if they're able to set the essid via iwconfig
[06:00] <crimsun> blocky, amixer, alsamixer{gui}, ...
[06:00] <adwait> hola ppl
[06:00] <jinnstar7> freddy: install wifi-radar
[06:00] <jinnstar7> makes it easy to set the essid
[06:01] <freddy> woah this is nice, i connected the ipod and no hastle
[06:01] <freddy> YAY!
[06:01] <freddy> at least
[06:01] <WildTangent> hey eno...i might have a really easy solution for you
[06:01] <nickrud> remyforbes777 it depends. As long as you have compiled the boot disk file system tyoe into to the kernel (not as a module) you shouldn't need a initrd. Of course, the need to get that stuff into the kernel is the reason I don't compile kernels myself anymore
[06:01] <freddy> now....hrmm im having another issue...i cant listen to music
[06:01] <freddy> wtf
[06:01] <WildTangent> put in your install cd and when it gives you the boot prompt, type rescue
[06:02] <remyforbes777> nickrud: thanks
[06:02] <crimsun> freddy, as in you can't hear anything or as in sound programs throw errors?
[06:02] <misfit_toy> man, 'gnome-system-monitor' is a handy tool, and is built into gnome on ubuntu, why didn't they create a link to it?
[06:02] <nickrud> remyforbes777 heh, I've done you no favor, just given you a warning :)
[06:02] <remyforbes777> nickrud: do i have to check out make menuconfig to see if I compiled it as part of the kernel
[06:03] <freddy> crimsun, it doesnt throw error...just cant listen...i open the volume thingy...and i can see it sounds...but i cant hear shit...and all the volumes are up
[06:03] <freddy> strange..
[06:03] <pepperpot> I've swapped my hard drives around and now when I apt-get upgrade linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7 it complains about "/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: device /dev/hda6 is not a block device" even though that's not my boot device anymore
[06:03] <crimsun> freddy, cat /proc/asound/modules
[06:03] <freddy> 0 snd_intel8x0
[06:04] <crimsun> freddy, paste the output of the following commands to pastebin.ca: lsmod; amixer
[06:04] <ircrob> anyone done scaling with vlc ?
[06:05] <pepperpot> never mind I figured it out
[06:06] <freddy> crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/16760
[06:06] <freddy> thats amixer
[06:07] <nickrud> remyforbes777 yes, and, I will go no further down this road. I haven't compiled a kernel for a while, and, no offence, but if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't either.
[06:07] <freddy> crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/16761
[06:07] <freddy> thats lsmod
[06:08] <Discipulus> freddy, why didn't you just put them in the same post?
[06:08] <nickrud> remyforbes777 unless, you just want to have some fun :)
[06:08] <remyforbes777> nickrud: im trying to learn, if i mess it up I just reinstall and try again, no biggie
[06:08] <freddy> lol sorry....i thought it would be quite a mess Discipulus
[06:08] <Michel> Has anyone installed lirc under ubuntu? IT'S DRIVING ME NUTS!!!!
[06:08] <nickrud> remyforbes777 yeah, that's the definition of fun.
[06:08] <blocky> okay
[06:08] <remyforbes777> nickrud: you cant learn it fully unless you ask questions about things you dont know and making mistakes
[06:09] <blocky> as it is right now
[06:09] <blocky> my rear speakers work
[06:09] <blocky> my side ones dont
[06:09] <blocky> my center doesnt
[06:09] <blocky> and my front left but not front right works
[06:09] <blocky> wtf
[06:09] <blocky> i dont get it
[06:09] <blocky> lol
[06:09] <KarlosII> mixer settings
[06:09] <nickrud> remyforbes777 np, I never compiled a kernel but for fun :)
[06:09] <crimsun> blocky, read the envy sections on alsa.opensrc.org
[06:10] <beginnerMKII> lol blocky
[06:10] <blocky> okay side speakers work when i set the sub to upmix from 5.1
[06:10] <blocky> but still no center or front right
[06:11] <blocky> okay crimsun
[06:11] <freddy> crimsun, did you get the links?
[06:11] <blocky> the only section i can see on that page is about envy24control, which doesnt work
[06:12] <freddy> oh this is fun if i try to play the mp3 with xmms it hangs
[06:12] <crimsun> freddy, you need to mute Mix
[06:12] <freddy> damn..how?
[06:13] <crimsun> freddy, you also need to configure XMMS to use esound instead of OSS for output if you're using the default Ubuntu settings
[06:14] <aimaz> my ISPs DNS servers appear down, is there another I can use somewhere?
[06:14] <crimsun> freddy, you can use the volume control in gnome, or you can open a terminal and use alsamixer
[06:14] <gorilla_> hi guys, I have recently installed ubuntu and have noticed that the lo interface doesn't come up. is auto lo\n iface lo inet loopback\n (where \n is a newline) the right lines to add to /etc/network/interfaces.
[06:15] <crimsun> gorilla_, yes, but they should exist in that file already.
[06:15] <gorilla_> aimaz, yes... you can use any other dns server... such googles :-)
[06:15] <gorilla_> crimsun, they didn't for some reason. /me shrugs
[06:15] <aimaz> gorilla_, do you happen to know the IP?
[06:16] <jozzer> are there only the packages in synaptic package manager avalible to ubuntu?
[06:16] <jozzer> eg I would like xawtv
[06:16] <gorilla_> aimaz, try  216.239.34.10
[06:16] <crimsun> jozzer, it's preferable to stick with those shown in Synaptic, yes, but you can add additional repositories
[06:16] <blocky> okay
[06:16] <blocky> i turned up all the channels in alsamixer
[06:16] <blocky> and i still dont get any sound from some speakers
[06:17] <gorilla_> blocky, some speakers?
[06:17] <crimsun> blocky, contrary to popular belief, simply turning them all up doesn't do what you expect
[06:17] <johntramp> hey can I use this mirror in ubuntu?  ftp://jetstreamgames.co.nz/
[06:17] <johntramp> in apt sources
[06:17] <blocky> lol
[06:17] <crimsun> blocky, it's a combination of muting and increasing selected elements. The envy pages on the alsa wiki have more info.
[06:17] <aimaz> gorilla_, i'm getting no ping reply from that, maybe the problem is more complex than i though, i hate networking problems like this, it hurts my head
[06:17] <jozzer> crimsun: no mplayer then for ubuntu
[06:17] <blocky> well i dont have a real 7.1 control panel
[06:18] <crimsun> jozzer, sure there is, it's in multiverse.
[06:18] <freddy> damn cant find Mix to mute it crimsun
[06:18] <crimsun> freddy, you can scroll left and right using those arrow keys in alsamixer
[06:18] <jozzer> crimsun: ??
[06:19] <johntramp> ok, can I use a debian apt mirror in ubuntu?
[06:19] <freddy> crimsun, yes but i cant see a Mix in there, just Mic Auxiliar...and stuff like that
[06:19] <freddy> i swear
[06:19] <nickrud> jozzer yeah, did you change your /etc/sources.list like I suggested?
[06:19] <crimsun> johntramp, it's not recommended
[06:19] <freddy> i changed the driver on xmms crimsun now it doesnt hangs...but it wont sound...it just plays
[06:19] <jozzer> nickrud: ?
[06:19] <nickrud> jozzer that will let you get mplayer from multiverse
[06:19] <blocky> crimsun, can you point me to the envy pages on that site
[06:19] <blocky> even when i use the search all I can find is envy24control
[06:19] <johntramp> crimsun, ok
[06:20] <gorilla_> johntramp, don't do that.. debian and ubuntu is slightly different... you can break things that way.
[06:20] <jozzer> nickrud: when did you suggest that?
[06:20] <crimsun> blocky, the ones called ice1712 and ice1724
[06:20] <nickrud> jozzer, maybe it wasn't you but: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExampleConffiles
[06:21] <crimsun> freddy, does using aplay with a wav file after killing esd work?
[06:21] <gustavor> how is ata support in hoary? does it work out of the box?
[06:21] <johntramp> so what is the difference between multiverse and universe ?
[06:21] <nickrud> jozzer replace /etc/apt/sources.list with the 'better organized' version, then, apt-get mplayer will work
[06:21] <crimsun> johntramp, licensing issues
[06:22] <blocky> envy24control says it cant find any ICE1712 cards
[06:22] <jozzer> nickrud: yes I get it :-)
[06:22] <blocky> johntramp, non-free software
[06:22] <crimsun> blocky, that's because you don't have an ice1712 card
[06:22] <nickrud> jozzer it's a hobby horse of mine, if you need more help with it, ask.
[06:22] <blocky> umm
[06:22] <blocky> I have an AV-710
[06:22] <blocky> which uses envy24
[06:22] <jozzer> nickrud: I used debian ages ago
[06:22] <blocky> chipset
[06:22] <crimsun> blocky, look at the driver you're using. It's not ice1712, it's ice1724.
[06:22] <johntramp> crimsun, so if i dont care about using closed source etc. which should I use?
[06:22] <blocky> :S
[06:22] <nickrud> jozzer then, we're good :)
[06:23] <freddy> how do i go about killing esd?
[06:23] <crimsun> johntramp, multiverse, etc.
[06:23] <crimsun> freddy, pkill esd
[06:23] <sean_> how can i remove the gnome titlebar, scrollbar, and border?
[06:23] <blocky> i cant find any information on how to set alsamixer to get all the channels working
[06:23] <sean_> on a window
[06:23] <Michel> AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
[06:23] <gorilla_> freddy, a better way if you just want to turn it off is esdctl off
[06:24] <jozzer> I just dont like the fact that its not supported and rhythmbox is ?!?!?!
[06:24] <Michel> CAN ANYONE GET LIRC WORKING?
[06:24] <johntramp> crimsun, so is multiverse bigger than universe?
[06:24] <Michel> I m going nuts!!!
[06:24] <crimsun> johntramp, no, universe is much larger
[06:24] <johntramp> ok
[06:24] <gorilla_> Michel, :-) what's up??
[06:24] <freddy> now where to find a wav file
[06:24] <freddy> hehe
[06:25] <gorilla_> freddy, try a dozer box :-P
[06:25] <crimsun> freddy, /usr/share/sounds/
[06:25] <nickrud> jozzer if you've used debian, you know why mplayer is in multiverse
[06:25] <johntramp> crimsun, so does this look right,   deb ftp://linux.jetstreamgames.co.nz/pub/ubuntu/ warty universe
[06:25] <Michel> gorilla_: I'm going nuts. I m trying to instll lirc, but the modules are not give in a compiled form!!!
[06:25] <Michel> I cannot believe it!
[06:25] <crimsun> johntramp, not using the official nz mirror?
[06:25] <blocky> the headphone channel seems to control the back speakers
[06:25] <freddy> crimsun, nop..does not sounds :(
[06:26] <blocky> the master seems to control the front left
[06:26] <gorilla_> Michel, heh... you have enabled multiverse and universe?
[06:26] <crimsun> freddy, are you using default alsa?
[06:26] <freddy> yes i spose
[06:26] <Michel> gorilla_, yes
[06:26] <freddy> i havent installed anything
[06:26] <crimsun> freddy, then I'd compile alsa-source from universe
[06:26] <johntramp> crimsun, are you nz?
[06:26] <gorilla_> Michel, that does sounds nuts :-(
[06:26] <freddy> omg
[06:26] <crimsun> johntramp, no
[06:26] <blocky> PCM is the master volume
[06:27] <Michel> gorilla_, all it gives are the sources, but frankly they do not know what they are doing!
[06:27] <blocky> surround doesnt control anything
[06:27] <Michel> So I went back to lirc.org
[06:27] <crimsun> freddy, it's simple. Install build-essential, linux-headers-$(uname -r), and alsa-source.
[06:27] <johntramp> crimsun, ok, well this one can be connected to at ~6mbit compared to 256kbit
[06:27] <Michel> downloaded the stuff just like I did on SUSE. Compiled it installed it, so far so good...
[06:27] <blocky> center, LFE, line and CD all do nothing
[06:27] <Michel> gorilla_, then when I do modprobe lirc_sir, I get:
[06:28] <Michel> WARNING: Error inserting lirc_dev (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/misc/lirc_dev.ko): Invalid module format
[06:29] <Michel> I must say I have not followed what .ko are, vs .o
[06:29] <blocky> disabling alternate level to surruond out turns off surround
[06:29] <`crimsun> lovely.
[06:29] <`crimsun> Michel, in the context of kernel modules, .ko are for version 2.6+ whereas .o are for earlier
[06:29] <Michel> but no idea why I get that error
[06:30] <sean_> anyone know how to remove gnome titlebars?
[06:30] <Michel> `crimsun, ok what's the simplest way of compiling kernel modules?
[06:30] <gorilla_> Michel, what version of kernel are you using?
[06:30] <`crimsun> Michel, using the ubuntu-provided tools
[06:30] <adwait> sean_:title bars? as in the bars tht appears on top of the application with the name of the appliacation?
[06:31] <Michel> maybe I should not have installed and configured the kernel source? just keep the headers?
[06:31] <blocky> is there anything I can use besides alsamixer to enable all the channels?
[06:31] <Pickles2> can someone look at this? I'm the 3rd post.
[06:31] <sean_> adwait, yes i want to make an app completely transparent so it looks like its on the wallpaper
[06:31] <Pickles2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42493
[06:31] <`crimsun> Michel, you only need linux-headers-$(uname -r) to compile kernel modules
[06:32] <Michel> ok i have the headers. Should I re install them?
[06:32] <adwait> sean_:no idea dude......i dont think thats possible.....but hey its linux, anything can be done :)
[06:32] <sean_> hmm, ive done it with fluxbox
[06:32] <Michel> maybe trying to start a kernel compile screws up the header links
[06:32] <sean_> i jsut forget
[06:32] <nickrud> gee, I wish someone would hand me a g5 :)
[06:33] <Pickles2> lol
[06:33] <sean_> i want to remove the borders from a transparent aterm window
[06:33] <sean_> ive seen it done on gnome
[06:33] <ShamblyHermit> gee I wish someone would hand me their girlfriend
[06:33] <Pickles2> can't help you. I don't have one
[06:34] <signbarn> does anyone know what kind of image the MatrixView screen saver is looking for? i point it at a directory with pictures and it does nothing.
[06:34] <Pickles2> anyone have any ideas?
[06:34] <Pickles2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42493
[06:35] <Michel> configure: error: *** you need to have the Linux kernel source installed for this driver
[06:35] <blocky> `crimsun, should I be using ice1712
[06:35] <blocky> http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=ice1712
[06:35] <Michel> `cimsun: help!!!
[06:35] <blocky> The ice1712 driver is used for sound cards that use the Envy24 chipset.
[06:35] <Michel> `crimsun: help!!!
[06:35] <nickrud> well, Pickles2 if you ship me your machine, I'll give it a go :)
[06:36] <neodium> can anyone put me on the path to a simple way to sharing my adsl net connection to other windows machines
[06:36] <Pickles2> yeah, right...
[06:36] <Pickles2> :)
[06:36] <nickrud> lol
[06:36] <adwait> neodium: u hv a router
[06:36] <adwait> ?
[06:36] <neodium> no
[06:36] <blocky> anyone know what the correct driver for an AV-710 sound card is
[06:36] <neodium> 2 nics
[06:36] <blocky> is it ice1712 or 1724
[06:36] <adwait> ok brb
[06:37] <gorilla_> blocky, try one then the other if you need to :-)
[06:37] <ukato> is there a graphical frontend to reconfigure X?
[06:37] <blocky> hmm
[06:37] <blocky> can i just rmmod and modprobe?
[06:37] <`crimsun> blocky, you _can't_ use ice1712.
[06:38] <blocky> why?
[06:38] <`crimsun> blocky, your hardware is ice1724-based
[06:38] <Amaranth> ukato: Well, you could make dpkg-reconfigure use X instead of a curses interface.
[06:38] <blocky> my hardware is envy24 based
[06:38] <gorilla_> ukato, only for changing screen resolution or refresh rate
[06:38] <blocky> ice1712 is a driver written for envy24
[06:38] <nickrud> Pickles2 seriously though, you might try asking on the user's mailing list. It gets (IMHO) a better quality response than the forums.
[06:38] <blocky> i dont understand
[06:38] <`crimsun> your hardware uses the ice1724 driver, _not_ the ice1712 one
[06:38] <Pickles2> ok
[06:38] <Pickles2> thanks
[06:38] <ukato> well, i switched monitors, and i can't get my resolution over 640x480, so i'm trying to fix that
[06:38] <Amaranth> ukato: iirc you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' and choose to use X and/or GTK
[06:38] <blocky> which hardware uses ice1724?
[06:39] <`crimsun> blocky, many. Check out the ones listed.
[06:39] <Michel> AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! Now it says the kernel is not configured for module unloading!!!
[06:39] <Amaranth> ukato: But you'll still need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' at a terminal to make that come up
[06:39] <Michel> It's driving me NUTS!
[06:39] <agabus> why do u name the iso's for 64bit cpu's amd64 when it is also for the intel 64 bit chips?
[06:39] <Michel> Anyone installed another kernel?
[06:39] <Michel> Maybe that's what I should do....
[06:39] <Amaranth> agabus: Linus decided that since AMD invented the technology the kernel will call it amd64
[06:40] <blocky> but mine isn't listed under either
[06:40] <ukato> amaranth, ok, and that should fix whatever's wrong?
[06:40] <agabus> Amaranth - ah k.
[06:40] <ukato> thanks btw
[06:40] <signbarn> I'm having troubles with smeg. when i open it from the Applications menu, it does nothing. When I run it from a command line with "sudo" it opens, and when i close it, I get strange errors, and it doesn't update my menus at all.
[06:40] <blocky> im just trying to make sure im using the correct driver
[06:40] <Amaranth> ukato: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should let you fix things
[06:40] <gorilla_> agabus, intel was starting with a clean slate for their 64bit process and not compatible with binaries for amd64.
[06:40] <ukato> thanks again
[06:40] <`crimsun> blocky, you are using the correct driver. the envy24control tool just hasn't been updated to support your chipset.
[06:41] <agabus> gorilla_ - but intel and amd binaries are compatible
[06:41] <Amaranth> signbarn: Hi, I'm the author of smeg. What are the errors?
[06:41] <`crimsun> Michel, what do you need?
[06:41] <blocky> my card is Envy 24PT
[06:41] <Amaranth> signbarn: PM them to me
[06:41] <signbarn> should I copy and paste in here?
[06:41] <blocky> which uses VT1720 chipset
[06:41] <blocky> not VT1712
[06:41] <blocky> does it work anyway?
[06:41] <Michel> `crimsun I need a working lirc_sir module.
[06:41] <Michel> with lirc_dev
[06:41] <neodium> lol i think adwait ran away :(
[06:42] <Michel> `crimsun, I think I amgoing to compile 2.6.12 on my own and try it. Have you done that lately?
[06:43] <`crimsun> Michel, yes. You shouldn't need to do that.
[06:43] <Pickles2> can anybody help me here?
[06:43] <Pickles2> My problem ---->    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42493
[06:43] <Michel> the stupid directives in the lirc-modules-source are not working
[06:43] <Pickles2> emphasis on here
[06:44] <Michel> `crimsun, can you compile them for me and make a package?
[06:44] <blocky> is there such a thing as ice1720 driver?
[06:44] <Michel> It says it shoudl work, but it did not for me.
[06:44] <Amaranth> Pickles2: You need to use a program that knows how to burn a bootable CD.
[06:45] <Pickles2> so apple's burner won't cut it?
[06:45] <`crimsun> blocky, 1720? no
[06:45] <Pickles2> i used the drag-onto-a-blank-disk-then-click-burn method
[06:45] <blocky> that is my exact chipset
[06:46] <blocky> are you sure i need ice1724 and not ice1712
[06:46] <Amaranth> Pickles2: I don't think so, no.
[06:46] <blocky> neither are exactly what i need
[06:46] <Amaranth> Pickles2: Toast or whatever that app is called should do it.
[06:46] <beginnerMKII>  Guys i'm consider doing a dual boot thing and having linux and windows on this pc, i have two harddrives, will they be reffered to as hda & hdb at the partition screen bit, what happens after its installed? Do i go into BIOS to select which OS boots on startup, i thought the whole point of dualboot was that i wouldn't have to do that ? will i get a choice instead? i guess it just comes down to me totally paranoid about losing windows,
[06:46] <Amaranth> Pickles2: They probably have a trial version
[06:46] <Pickles2> thanks
[06:47] <Pickles2> it's Toast
[06:47] <Pickles2> by Roxio
[06:47] <Pickles2> for future reference
[06:47] <`crimsun> blocky, yes, you need the 1724. It covers the 172xes.
[06:47] <nalioth_wrkn> beginnerMKII: a program called a bootloader will install, giving you a choice of OS' to boot from
[06:47] <blocky> okay
[06:47] <blocky> so the problem is just the mixer config?
[06:47] <nalioth_wrkn> Pickles2: and it sux
[06:47] <Pickles2> does it?
[06:47] <blocky> is it possible to get full 7.1 surround support with just alsamixer?
[06:47] <beginnerMKII> Cool nalioth_wrkn, how do i do that though? Do i download that onto XP? XP is all i have right now
[06:48] <`crimsun> blocky, the problem is mixer settings. Search around, and you'll find suitable ones that others have cobbled together.
[06:48] <Pickles2> and is there a viabale alternative?
[06:48] <nalioth_wrkn> Pickles2: there are many fine cd writing softwares for OSX that are free
[06:48] <blocky> on http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=ice1724
[06:48] <blocky> just over half way down
[06:48] <nalioth_wrkn> imho, toast is a bloated worthless waste of space
[06:48] <blocky> Just some cut and paste from a mailinglist posting concerning the ICE1724 Controls by Takashi Iwai:
[06:49] <blocky> how do I set those settings?
[06:49] <`crimsun> you can use alsamixer or amixer or ...
[06:49] <Pickles2> i'm asking if you would suggest something, or if they all work
[06:49] <nickrud> beginnerMKII what the disks are called depends on which cable they are plugged into.
[06:49] <beginnerMKII> ?/
[06:49] <blocky> or?
[06:49] <beginnerMKII> Cable???
[06:49] <nalioth_wrkn> Pickles2: do you use the fink package manager?
[06:49] <blocky> how do i add this kind of thing to alsamixer
[06:49] <blocky> > numid=6, iface=MIXER,name='H/W Playback Route',index=1
[06:49] <blocky> > ...
[06:49] <blocky> > numid=12,iface=MIXER,name='H/W Playback Route',index=7
[06:50] <gorilla_> agabus, they weren't going to be originally!!... Intel scrapped a line to cpu that enver really made it to market.
[06:50] <neodium> can anyone put me on the path to a simple way to sharing my adsl net connection to other windows machines?
[06:50] <nalioth_wrkn> beginnerMKII: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[06:50] <beginnerMKII> Cool thanks
[06:50] <Unintentional> Hey, does anyone know how to bind keys to commands in Ubuntu?  A quick Google search is coming up pretty dry.
[06:50] <abbot45> did they remove the menu editors from the apt repositories?
[06:51] <abbot45> wasnt "smeg" one of them?  its not there now.
[06:51] <Pickles2> about 2 minutes ago, some bugs were reported
[06:52] <nalioth_wrkn> Pickles2: are you familiar with the fink project?
[06:52] <`crimsun> blocky, you need to read the documentation.
[06:52] <`crimsun> blocky, if it's a definition, you'd add it to ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf
[06:52] <Demonicus> is ubuntu a nix distro?
[06:52] <Pickles2> yeah
[06:52] <Pickles2> but i don't have it on this computer
[06:52] <Pickles2> aargh
[06:53] <alberto_> why not, breezy ?
[06:53] <alberto_> whats breezy ?
[06:53] <Amaranth> breezy is the name of the next version of ubuntu
[06:53] <six2one> seemingly unstable version of ubuntu
[06:53] <Amaranth> it's in development right now
[06:53] <alberto_> why not horry hasnt had updates in ages :)
[06:53] <alberto_> hoary
[06:53] <gorilla_> Demonicus, go to www.ubuntulinux.com then come back to ask questions
[06:54] <blocky> `crimsun, if i make changes to amix do i need to restart alsa?
[06:54] <six2one> i installe dit on my T40p and it worked fine until i ran apt then X dies so hard you wouldnt beleive...couldnt recover it...so im in hoary now :)
[06:54] <gorilla_> alberto_, it has... but for security updates only...
[06:54] <nickrud> alberto_ that warning is so uks people who think we know what we're doing don't bother the people who do know what they're doing :)
[06:55] <FreeFrog454> Hi all
[06:55] <phaedrus_> Linux [kernel 2.6.10]  || CPU: mobile AMD Athlon(tm) XP-M 1600+ at 1393.688MHz [2752.51 bogomips]  || Disk: 1.92 used of 18.36Gb || Mem: used 0.0/0.0 Swap: used 0.0/0.0 || Up: 6 Load: 1.18,
[06:55] <alberto_> ehy all imput is good
[06:55] <FreeFrog454> Back in windows now
[06:55] <gorilla_> nickrud, or the people that want to fix broken software vs those that don't/can't.
[06:55] <FreeFrog454> Anyone have any recommendations for a beginner's book to Linux
[06:55] <FreeFrog454> OR a good web reference?
[06:56] <alberto_> FreeFrog454, Linux For Dummies
[06:56] <goldfish> FreeFrog454: ubuntu wiki !
[06:56] <goldfish> linux for dummies is crap
[06:56] <alberto_> FreeFrog454, google.com  <----- great source
[06:56] <alberto_> :-P
[06:56] <phaedrus_> just get ubuntu or mepis and go for it
[06:56] <gorilla_> FreeFrog454, rute guide :-)
[06:56] <phaedrus_> no reading necessary
[06:56] <goldfish> indeed
[06:56] <Pickles2> old joke, alberto
[06:56] <goldfish> just use linux, you'll learn alot
[06:56] <six2one> just get a list of commands and what they do and just play
[06:56] <alberto_> hehe
[06:56] <goldfish> learn to love the console
[06:56] <FreeFrog454> What about Wiley Linux All-In-One desk reference
[06:57] <goldfish> The linux Cookbook by o reilly is good
[06:57] <alberto_> FreeFrog454, Books are not good
[06:57] <nickrud> gorilla_, same thing, from my lowly perspective ;P
[06:57] <FreeFrog454> OK. good stuff so far
[06:57] <alberto_> FreeFrog454, lizen to the guys telling you to just go for it
[06:57] <FreeFrog454> Wiki confirmed.
[06:57] <FreeFrog454> I'll check out Linux for dummies
[06:57] <alberto_> dont
[06:57] <FreeFrog454> alberto_, google has too much info though
[06:57] <alberto_> it will not help you
[06:57] <gorilla_> nickrud, keep a lart handy at all times :-)
[06:57] <FreeFrog454> alberto_, why do you say that
[06:57] <goldfish> FreeFrog454: that book is crap man, seriously.
[06:57] <alberto_> just trial and error
[06:57] <FreeFrog454> phaedrus_, I've got ubuntu installed
[06:58] <nalioth_wrkn> FreeFrog454: the console is truly your friend
[06:58] <FreeFrog454> phaedrus_, I've been tinkering with it, but you have to understand that I'm 99% n00b to linux :)
[06:58] <alberto_> then take it one problem at a time
[06:58] <goldfish> all of those for dummies" books suck
[06:58] <FreeFrog454> nalioth_wrkn, yep
[06:58] <nalioth_wrkn> FreeFrog454: it will be with you after X chokes and goes home
[06:58] <FreeFrog454> goldfish, I agree, but it's free (library)
[06:58] <gorilla_> FreeFrog454, the ubuntu wiki is probbaly the best source for docos and other links for ubuntu.
[06:58] <nickrud> gorilla_ I do, I do, I do.
[06:58] <FreeFrog454> alberto_, yea, definitely.
[06:58] <goldfish> FreeFrog454: ah, well then , get anything with linux in it :)
[06:58] <alberto_> goldfish, i know, i got sex for dummies, but learned more from trial and error :-)
[06:58] <alberto_> LOL
[06:59] <FreeFrog454> goldfish, "just use linux" <-- I agree, but I can't just dive into console knowing everything
[06:59] <Pickles2> all these utilites i'm finding to create a bootable disk are for windows
[06:59] <FreeFrog454> goldfish, I have to have a guide for it
[06:59] <Pickles2> you do
[06:59] <Pickles2> it's called man
[06:59] <goldfish> FreeFrog454: :)
[06:59] <FreeFrog454> Pickles2, Yep, man is cool BUT
[06:59] <alberto_> FreeFrog454, when you dont know how to do something.... google it
[06:59] <alberto_> is what i do
[06:59] <alberto_> nobady is born knowing
[06:59] <phaedrus_> yo FreeFrog...fuck with it for a while
[06:59] <FreeFrog454> Pickles2, I've noticed that man is useful when you have a question
[06:59] <phaedrus_> night yall!
[06:59] <FreeFrog454> phaedrus_, already on it
[06:59] <FreeFrog454> phoenix_atlantis,: bye
[07:00] <FreeFrog454> Pickles2, or if you have a question, you can use man -k
[07:00] <six2one> anyone have any luck with xp on qemu 0.7.0?
[07:00] <alberto_> linux has a huge comunity, when you search for something you will find it.... most likely somone else when trough that
[07:00] <Quest-Master> ...
[07:00] <Amaranth> dang, two days of email took me 2 hours to go through
[07:00] <Quest-Master> Why is profile not in Python 2.4.1 of Ubuntu?
[07:00] <alberto_> FreeFrog454, go to your local LUG
[07:00] <Amaranth> Quest-Master: python2.4-profile?
[07:00] <gorilla_> Amaranth, that sounds like a good day :-)
[07:00] <FreeFrog454> alberto_, I've actually got a question that no one has been able to answer so far (perhaps no viable answer)
[07:00] <Amaranth> Quest-Master: It's non-free (sortof) so it's seperate.
[07:00] <alberto_> SHOOT
[07:00] <FreeFrog454> Is there any way to disable a USB sound (external) mixer
[07:01] <FreeFrog454> without deleting the device drivers for it
[07:01] <Quest-Master> It's non-free? :o
[07:01] <FreeFrog454> OR in gnome/KDE
[07:01] <goldfish> FreeFrog454: there's alot of nice console beginner guides on the net, list and explanation of some everyday commands there for example, http://www.math.mcgill.ca/services/linux_basics.php
[07:01] <FreeFrog454> alberto_, what is LUG?
[07:01] <alberto_> modprobe -r whateverthedeviceis
[07:01] <FreeFrog454> alberto_, stand by ACR'ing
[07:01] <goldfish> linux user group?
[07:01] <FreeFrog454> ahhh
[07:01] <FreeFrog454> heh
[07:01] <FreeFrog454> Learned somethign new :)
[07:01] <alberto_> Linux User Group
[07:01] <snatch> can anyone help me on setting up video codecs for use with ubuntu?
[07:01] <alberto_> bunch of guys get together
[07:01] <FreeFrog454> modprobe -r  <-- what does that do?
[07:01] <goldfish> FreeFrog454: removes a module
[07:01] <FreeFrog454> modeprobe -r <how do I know what the device name is?"
[07:02] <alberto_> it removes the module from the kernel
[07:02] <alberto_> lspci
[07:02] <FreeFrog454> goldfish, interesting.  That might help a lot.
[07:02] <alberto_> lsmod
[07:02] <goldfish> FreeFrog454: do u know about man pages?
[07:02] <alberto_> and find the device
[07:02] <nalioths_dog> snatch: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[07:02] <FreeFrog454> goldfish, somewhat. I've been using man & info off & on for the last couple of hours
[07:02] <FreeFrog454> lspci
[07:02] <FreeFrog454> and lsmod ey
[07:02] <goldfish> FreeFrog454: ah, ok, cool.
[07:02] <snatch> thx
[07:02] <alberto_> it should be something like snd_usb_alsa
[07:03] <FreeFrog454> Damn, I should hope back into linux and IRC from there
[07:03] <FreeFrog454> !
[07:03] <ubotu> FreeFrog454: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:03] <FreeFrog454> ubotu, ??
[07:03] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, FreeFrog454
[07:03] <FreeFrog454> lol
[07:03] <FreeFrog454> bot?
[07:03] <FreeFrog454> er NOT lol. I hate that word, but finger habits ;(
[07:03] <goldfish> !RestricedFormats
[07:03] <ubotu> goldfish: Wish i knew
[07:03] <goldfish> !Restriced
[07:03] <ubotu> goldfish: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:03] <tiglionabbit> !restricted
[07:03] <ubotu> [restricted]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:03] <Tyler> hola
[07:04] <FreeFrog454> goldfish, can you repeat some of the stuff when I get back on Linux?
[07:04] <goldfish> tiglionabbit: :)
[07:04] <blocky> can someone tell me how to rehash alsa after I have changed the configuration?
[07:04] <goldfish> FreeFrog454: sure
[07:04] <Tyler> just dled ubuntu...gotta find a blank cd though
[07:04] <nalioth_wrkn> goldfish: spelling counts (ubotu doesnt have the fuzzy logic module, yet)
[07:04] <Tyler> :\
[07:04] <goldfish> hehe
[07:04] <goldfish> sorry its 6am im tired :)
[07:04] <alberto_> ubotu, Hello
[07:04] <ubotu> niihau
[07:04] <alberto_> LOL
[07:04] <nalioth_wrkn> goldfish: guess the ubotu "i know what your were trying to type" module would be good, also
[07:05] <alberto_> ubotu, Are you smart ?
[07:05] <ubotu> alberto_: Wish i knew
[07:05] <alberto_> LOL
[07:05] <goldfish> nalioth_wrkn: hehe
[07:05] <X7C> on dhcp3-server where o I set the interface that it should be bradcasting for dhcp service?
[07:05] <alberto_> ubotu, what is mc=2 ?
[07:05] <ubotu> alberto_: what are you talking about?
[07:05] <tiglionabbit> ubotu, moshi moshi
[07:05] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[07:05] <Pickles2> aww... stop being mean to the bot
[07:05] <tiglionabbit> aw
[07:05] <alberto_> LOL
[07:05] <alberto_> ubotu, are you a dumb bot ?
[07:05] <ubotu> alberto_: I don't know, could you explain it?
[07:06] <Pickles2> anyone know of an app for mac os x that can create bootable cds?
[07:06] <alberto_> ubotu, I love you!
[07:06] <ubotu> alberto_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:06] <neodium> ubotu, internet connection sharing?
[07:06] <ubotu> from memory, internet connection sharing is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ShareInternetConnection/
[07:06] <nalioth_wrkn> Pickles2: firestarter i believe is one
[07:06] <Tyler> using partition magic, can I install linux without burning it to a cd?
[07:06] <nalioth_wrkn> Pickles2: fireburner, something like that
[07:07] <Pickles2> firestarter is a linux firewall
[07:07] <hanasaki> is 5.04 current or 5.10?
[07:07] <six2one> 5.04
[07:07] <hanasaki> distrowatch says 5.1
[07:07] <hanasaki> distrowatch says 5.10
[07:07] <hanasaki> umm whats that>?
[07:07] <hanasaki> <= new.. curren tly a debian user
[07:07] <six2one> come back to that in october
[07:07] <FreeFrog454> hanasaki
[07:07] <nickrud> hanasaki 5.04 means april 05, 5.10 means october 05
[07:07] <FreeFrog454> are you Japanese?
[07:08] <hanasaki> iie giajin desu
[07:08] <nalioth_wrkn> Pickles2: welcome to the gpl
[07:08] <FreeFrog454> nihon go ga dekiru?
[07:08] <Pickles2> fireburner is for windoze, nalioth
[07:08] <kevogod> How long will Ubuntu's numbering scheme hold up?
[07:08] <nalioth_wrkn> Pickles2: http://www.projectomega.org/subcat.php?lg=en&php=products_firestarter
[07:08] <FreeFrog454> aa.. sou ka.
[07:08] <hanasaki> sukoshi
[07:08] <Tyler> using partition magic, can I install linux without burning it to a cd?
[07:08] <FreeFrog454> boku mo gaikokujin da yo
[07:08] <Pickles2> yes
[07:08] <FreeFrog454> arumeniajin da
[07:08] <karlheg> Anybody had trouble with polypaudio and know how to fix it?  Mine doesn't play sounds anymore.
[07:08] <nalioth_wrkn> Pickles2: sorry, bubba, its for OSX
[07:08] <Pickles2> thank you very much
[07:08] <FreeFrog454> alberto_, BRB
[07:08] <hanasaki> soudeskuka.. ima, doko ni?
[07:08] <neodium> firestarter is a pain in the arse :(
[07:09] <FreeFrog454> ima san huranshisuko ni sunde iru y
[07:09] <hanasaki> 5.04 has xorg and gnome 2.10?
[07:09] <FreeFrog454> anta wa?
[07:09] <Amaranth> hanasaki: yes
[07:09] <hanasaki> ks
[07:09] <nickrud> hanasaki yes
[07:09] <FreeFrog454> kansas?
[07:09] <hanasaki> hmm ok.. know this has been ocvered before.. but.. how does one choose between deb and ubuntu?
[07:09] <hanasaki> FreeFrog454: yes
[07:10] <nickrud> hanasaki not a rational question, ubuntu uses debs
[07:10] <tiglionabbit> hanasaki: Ubuntu is for desktops, Debian is for servers
[07:10] <FreeFrog454> Isn't Ubuntu deb/
[07:10] <FreeFrog454> Yep
[07:10] <FreeFrog454> Ubuntu is based off Debian core
[07:10] <FreeFrog454> tiglionabbit, ah, I see.
[07:10] <FreeFrog454> tiglionabbit, what is Redhat?
[07:10] <goldfish> Ubuntu can be used for servers too.
[07:10] <hanasaki> nickrud:  so i can just point mydeb to unbunto sources?
[07:10] <goldfish> redhat is HORRIBLE!
[07:10] <FreeFrog454> errr not redhat
[07:10] <FreeFrog454> Mandrake
[07:10] <FreeFrog454> (ditto HORRIBLE) heh
[07:11] <goldfish> hmm, never used it.
[07:11] <nalioth_wrkn> redhat, mandrake, all based on RPMs
[07:11] <tiglionabbit> they both can be used for either.  Debian is more highly tested though, using old packages and such.  Ubuntu uses newer stuff to wow the desktop crowd who want flashy new stuffs
[07:11] <FreeFrog454> RPMs?
[07:11] <Amaranth> hanasaki: Mixing debian and ubuntu sources is not a good idea.
[07:11] <FreeFrog454> Never used Mandrake?
[07:11] <nickrud> hanasaki no, if you have a debian install, ubuntu will not upgrade from it.
[07:11] <goldfish> oh, well then it sucks too :)
[07:11] <FreeFrog454> Red Hat package manager
[07:11] <hanasaki> tiglionabbit:  if they all are jsut debs.. then they are all deskop and server.. just install what you need. right?
[07:11] <nalioth_wrkn> FreeFrog454: they invented a word just for RPMs
[07:11] <six2one> i used fc4 for like 3 days and it was terrible not being able to get packages to install easily because of gcc 4
[07:11] <hanasaki> nickrud:  then all debs arent the same
[07:11] <tiglionabbit> hanasaki: the repositories are not completely compatible
[07:11] <nickrud> heh, true
[07:11] <neodium> i like wow desktop stuff
[07:11] <goldfish> FreeFrog454: no i've only used ubuntu and slackware(briefly)  and gentoo
[07:11] <nalioth_wrkn> FreeFrog454: the word is "rpmhell"
[07:12] <tiglionabbit> hanasaki: but most programs are available for both, yes
[07:12] <hanasaki> so what do you mean "for servers" vs for desktops?
[07:12] <nickrud> of course, etch may be true on that front.
[07:12] <tiglionabbit> hanasaki: debian is highly tested, and will get very old between versions.  This is good if you want to make sure it'll work so you can leave it serving and it wont mess up.  Ubuntu uses newer stuff
[07:13] <nickrud> we'll see, but, I will be gratefull either way.
[07:13] <six2one> debian never goes stale
[07:13] <tiglionabbit> six2one: even with 3 years between releases?
[07:13] <hanasaki> whre can i get a list of packages for ubuntu and search it?
[07:14] <Amaranth> hanasaki: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[07:14] <tiglionabbit> hanasaki: apt-cache, or search through synaptic
[07:14] <nalioth_wrkn> nickrud: "etch" being the radioactive newest stuff?
[07:14] <nickrud> hanasaki packages.ubuntu.com
[07:14] <mindstorm> relases have nothing to do wtih updates and new software releases
[07:14] <nickrud> nalioth_wrkn no, etch being the
[07:14] <hanasaki> hmm need a link ot that offt he home pgae! :)
[07:14] <nickrud> 'true source'
[07:14] <snatch> anyone use anything else to play mpgs etc other than mplayer
[07:14] <goldfish> vlc
[07:14] <kevogod> VLC
[07:14] <tiglionabbit> vlc
[07:14] <goldfish> lol
[07:15] <snatch> mplayer blows
[07:15] <hanasaki> .com? its not free?
[07:15] <hanasaki> xine rocks
[07:15] <neodium> is VLC on ubuntu :S
[07:15] <neodium> ive only used it for win32
[07:15] <goldfish> VLC rocks ubuntu
[07:15] <tiglionabbit> neodium: if it wasn't, would 3 of us say we use it?
[07:15] <goldfish> neodium: apt-get install vlc
[07:15] <goldfish> !
[07:15] <ubotu> goldfish: I don't know, could you explain it?
[07:15] <kevogod> It is working here on FreeBSD, I am pretty sure it works on Linux
[07:15] <snatch> whats vlc
[07:15] <neodium> kool thnx
[07:15] <goldfish> ubotu: grrrrr
[07:15] <ubotu> goldfish: I don't know
[07:15] <tiglionabbit> a media player, snatch
[07:15] <snatch> oh ok good
[07:15] <goldfish> snatch: a really cool media player
[07:15] <Amaranth> signbarn: There is nothing in this file that turns the Programming menu on. Something in the menu needs to be visible otherwise the whole menu is hidden. Smeg shows hidden menus so you can still work with them.
[07:15] <snatch> ima try that one
[07:15] <kevogod> It is so good, Google uses it
[07:16] <snatch> if killall mplayer doesnt kill it what else should i try
[07:16] <hanasaki> what tells what the diff is beteween warty/hoary/breezy?
[07:16] <tiglionabbit> snatch: it's probably gmplayer
[07:16] <signbarn> thanks. how do i make something in the menu visible?
[07:16] <tiglionabbit> snatch: and you should add the "force quit" applet to your gnome panel
[07:16] <nalioth_wrkn> i can't keep up with woody, sid, sarge, etch and crew
[07:16] <neodium> breezy?
[07:16] <Amaranth> signbarn: The little checkbox next to it should be checked. :)
[07:16] <snatch> how is that done
[07:16] <neodium> isnt hoary the newest
[07:17] <kevogod> Hoary is the latest release
[07:17] <Amaranth> neodium: hoary is the newest stable release
[07:17] <FreeFrog454> Whoops
[07:17] <FreeFrog454> sorry guys. was in the background
[07:17] <neodium> i see
[07:17] <Amaranth> neodium: breezy is in development
[07:17] <signbarn> it shows netbeans and has a check next to it.
 VLC rocks ubuntu
[07:17] <FreeFrog454> VLC is on Linux too?
[07:17] <neodium> well i still cant find a program in this release to share internet between 2 eth cards yet so i dont feel like upgrading anyway :)
[07:17] <tiglionabbit> FreeFrog454: what do you think?
[07:17] <Amaranth> signbarn: Uncheck it and recheck it. (i have no idea)
[07:18] <FreeFrog454> I've used the windows version a couple of time. It was OK, but very unstable.
[07:18] <FreeFrog454> tiglionabbit, I like MPC & Zoomplayer
[07:18] <nalioth_wrkn> neodium: iptables
[07:18] <FreeFrog454> er not directed at tig
[07:18] <FreeFrog454> tiglionabbit, isn't there a player called MPlayer or something
[07:18] <nalioth_wrkn> neodium: here read this http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[07:18] <jasoncohen> i was reading the bug report on firefox. users complained that they couldn't download extensions with ubuntu's patched 1.0.2 and they also complained that they didn't know if they were up to date. While the fix is quite simple (editing one value in about:config), I don't really understand why Firefox is backported. a) firefox 1.0.x is a stable/security branch with only stability/security fixes, b) a change in firefox will not a
[07:18] <jasoncohen> ffect any other applications as it doesn't change core libraries. So, why backport? It creates issues like this one, and it's actually easier to use the newest stable release. In essence mozilla has already backported security fixes for us.
[07:18] <FreeFrog454> Supposed to be really good.
[07:18] <neodium> thanx im a linux nub straight from winxp so networking confuses me without a GUI :(
[07:19] <Amaranth> signbarn: Something is wrong with pyxdg's parsing of the netbeans .desktop file or something is wrong with the menu
[07:19] <tiglionabbit> FreeFrog454: yes, there is a thing called mplayer.  It's a media player.  Like vlc.
[07:19] <jasoncohen> firefox 1.1 is where the development is occuring
[07:19] <kevogod> Firefox 1.1 looks promising
[07:19] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: The firefox devs can't help themselves, they add new little things that aren't security/bug fixes to the 1.0.x branch.
[07:19] <nalioth_wrkn> neodium: your iptables controls your sharing/firewall/all network packet routing
[07:19] <signbarn> Amaranth: could there be permission problems with the netbeans .desktop file?
[07:19] <Amaranth> btw, breezy won't have firefox 1.1
[07:19] <FreeFrog454> tiglionabbit, what's your browser of choice
[07:19] <tiglionabbit> firefox
[07:19] <FreeFrog454> I use Opera 8.01 final on Windows and it's godlike
[07:19] <Amaranth> signbarn: If it's readable it should be fine.
[07:19] <FreeFrog454> What do you think about Konqueror (sp?)
[07:20] <frequency> twb_: where in Tampa are you?
[07:20] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, is that really so bad? i think the inability to use extensions without editing a value in about:config is worse than any minor bug that would be introduced in 1.0.x
[07:20] <neodium> thanx nalioth_wrkn ill read up
[07:20] <Madpilot> FreeFrog454: you know Opera is avlb for Ubuntu too? Using it right now...
[07:20] <FreeFrog454> Yep
[07:20] <FreeFrog454> Madpilot, of course!
[07:20] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: hoary is absolutely stable
[07:20] <twb_> actually, i'm just north of Tampa, Spring Hill
[07:20] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: stable meanind no new features
[07:20] <FreeFrog454> Madpilot, it's a little more a bitch to config in opera though ;)
[07:20] <Amaranth> err, meaning
[07:20] <neodium> and yer opera is orsome, is there an apt-get install for opera?
[07:20] <frequency> cool, i used to live in Riverview
[07:20] <goldfish> opera is way better than firefox on linux especially
[07:20] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i know- what i'm wondering is if that's wise\
[07:20] <signbarn> Amaranth: I blame netbeans for all my problems. :-)
[07:20] <nalioth_wrkn> Madpilot: did you know opera is non-free and sending info about you home right now?
[07:21] <tiglionabbit> I think they should just change the value in ubuntu's repository version of firefox, so people can install their themes without messing with that
[07:21] <Amaranth> neodium: No, but i think opera provides debs
[07:21] <FreeFrog454> Madpilot, partly because of the location of the files
[07:21] <FreeFrog454> Opera is very nice indeed.
[07:21] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, it makes absolute sense for sarge - that's supposed to be a long term, rock solid server distro but is it really necessary/wise for a desktop distro?
 y'all use galeon or kazehakase instead of firefox
[07:21] <Madpilot> nalioth_wrkn: is it? got a cite for that?
[07:21] <neodium> kool, now ill have to read up on howto install debs :)
[07:21] <FreeFrog454> I still keep Firefox on my windows/Ubuntu b0x for compatibility
[07:21] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: iirc they have their own little addition to the user agent that can be checked
[07:21] <FreeFrog454> OT: I got the brand new Canon LiDE 500F *LED* scanner
[07:21] <nalioth_wrkn> stay away from those commercial products
[07:21] <FreeFrog454> God damn it's blistering fast compared to my older canon scanner
[07:21] <Madpilot> nalioth_wrkn: about the sending info home, that is. I know it's "non-free as in speech", and don't care...
[07:21] <nalioth_wrkn> Madpilot: do you see an ad in your opera all the time?
[07:22] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: ubuntu is used as a server and as a corporate desktop distro
[07:22] <chibif1> Opera isn't all that commercial. :P
[07:22] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, it makes sense to backport most security fixes, but desktop apps like gaim, firefox, thunderbird etc. are unlikely to break other apps and the fixes/changes are usually quite conservative
[07:22] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Not just enduser desktops.
[07:22] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, it's used as a server?
[07:22] <Madpilot> nalioth_wrkn: yup, but it's set to "generic text ads", so my Opera isn't sending anything anywhere...
[07:22] <twb_> will dd duplicate and entire parition, even one with XP on it?
[07:22] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Yeah, that's why it has the 'server' boot option in the installer.
[07:22] <nalioth_wrkn> Madpilot: how does it know what ads to display?
[07:22] <chibif1> I use ubuntu as a server/desktop, jasoncohen D:
[07:22] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: The developers are not budging on this issue.
[07:22] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, who wants a server with a 6 month release cycle?
[07:23] <jasoncohen> chibif1, i use sarge as my server
[07:23] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: It has 18 months of support.
[07:23] <Madpilot> nalioth_wrkn: "Random generic selection of text ads"...
[07:23] <Madpilot> currently it mostly shows Opera tips. guess even Opera can't sell adspace...
[07:23] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, yes- but honestly support isn't very good after 6 months when a new stable release comes out
[07:23] <chibif1> I've only got one machine to work with, the only other is a 486 not capable of handling more than a single connection.
[07:23] <nalioth_wrkn> there are many f/oss alternatives to firefox
[07:23] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Community support isn't, but if you have a server you know how to do things yourself or are willing to pay for support.
[07:24] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, for example, the firefox 1.0.4 fixes have not been patched in warty
[07:24] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Plus support in this case also means security fixes.
[07:24] <Madpilot> nalioth_wrkn: but none of them have the features of Opera, even with millions of FF plugins...
[07:24] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: The 1.0.4 fixes were regressions in 1.0.3
[07:24] <nalioth_wrkn> Madpilot: to each their own, i prefer my kludgy featureless galeon
[07:25] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: The firefox in warty (0.9.3?) shouldn't be vulnerable.
[07:25] <Madpilot> nalioth_wrkn: fair enough, but FF & it's derivitives feel *too* kludgy to me. Far to much like IE, honestly...
[07:26] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, sorry- i'm thinking of 1.0.3 - https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/usn/usn-124-1
[07:26] <tiglionabbit> kludgy?
[07:26] <neodium> Does vlc come with all the neccessary codecs in ubuntu, as i cant seem to play sound on any videos?
[07:26] <nalioth_wrkn> Madpilot: i use linux because nothing is forced on me (and i hate adware)
[07:26] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: File a bug report? :)
[07:26] <nalioth_wrkn> neodium: there are other sound issues involved
[07:26] <tiglionabbit> neodium: last time someone said that, they told me installing some codecs fixed it.  If I were you, I'd read restricted
[07:26] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: oversized buttons, far too little customizability. not enough keyboard shortcuts.
[07:26] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: I'm not an ubuntu developer, I don't have any say in the matter.
[07:26] <tiglionabbit> !ubotu tell neodium about restricted
[07:26] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, wait- i was correct the first time
[07:27] <Tyler> Would I be able to install ubuntu with a cd-rw?!?
[07:27] <nalioth_wrkn> neodium: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[07:27] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, from the 1.0.4 patch - Note: These flaws also apply to Ubuntu 5.04's Mozilla, and to the
[07:27] <jasoncohen> Ubuntu 4.10 versions of Firefox and Mozilla. These will be fixed soon.
[07:27] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: there are many themes you can download for all of those
[07:27] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/usn/usn-134-1
[07:27] <nalioth_wrkn> Tyler: yes
[07:27] <FreeFrog454> Madpilot, I agree
[07:27] <Tyler> okie
[07:27] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: also, the buttons have a "small buttons" seting
[07:27] <Tyler> 650 mb fine?
[07:27] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: But I guarantee they won't do more than backport security fixes, no matter what you say.
[07:27] <FreeFrog454> I've tried Firefox a thousand times
[07:27] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: visit addons.mozilla.org
[07:27] <FreeFrog454> but I always come back to Opera
[07:27] <iluciv> hi hows it
[07:27] <goldfish> Tyler: of course
[07:27] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: yup, and hordes of FF plugins. Or I can just d/l Opera...
[07:27] <Tyler> alright thanks
[07:27] <Tyler> :)
[07:27] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: File a bug report so someone gets reminded.
[07:27] <goldfish> Tyler: cd-rw holds 700mb
[07:27] <FreeFrog454> Most firefox users agree with me for my reads about not using FF
[07:27] <Tyler> no
[07:27] <Tyler> my cdrw=6550
[07:27] <Tyler> 650
[07:28] <Tyler> * :P
[07:28] <goldfish> i see
[07:28] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, personally, i think it makes more sense to just use the current stable firefox version as the security fixes will get uploaded sooner- sid has them within a day
[07:28] <goldfish> :)
[07:28] <Tyler> lol
[07:28] <Tyler> im like so hyped
[07:28] <neodium> thnx
[07:28] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: well, it's power and customizability.  You don't need to get things you don't want...
[07:28] <Tyler> i cannot wait to get it installed
[07:28] <goldfish> cool
[07:28] <Tyler> lol
[07:28] <FreeFrog454> I want most of the features of Opera. You CAN do it with FF but you have to put up with the extensions issue; specifically, updating each time a new version comes out; compatibility issues
[07:28] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, it took ubuntu nearly 2 weeks to backport all the issues in 1.0.4
[07:28] <Tyler> Already partitioned and all
[07:28] <FreeFrog454> wtf
[07:28] <FreeFrog454> someone just ignited a loud bomb-like thing here
[07:28] <iluciv> how would one kill Xwindow system if ctrl atl backspace doesn't work
[07:28] <FreeFrog454> hot damn that was loud
[07:28] <FreeFrog454> sounds like a massive cherry bomb or something
[07:29] <tiglionabbit> iluciv: log out?
[07:29] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: I've been using Opera since v4.something. I guess I'm a poweruser, and I can't be bothered to relearn all Opera's trick in FF...
[07:29] <frequency> iluciv: sudo killall gdm
[07:29] <Tyler> btw...I downloaded the supposedly iso file and it came in a rar type file...What do i do?
[07:29] <Tyler> extract? and if so then what
[07:29] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i guess that's why there's backports
[07:29] <iluciv> frequency: cool thanks
[07:29] <frequency> no prob
[07:29] <kevogod> It takes like 40 extensions to make Firefox mimic Opera.
[07:29] <signbarn> FreeFrog454: is "here" in the united states?
[07:29] <bur[n] e1> opera have adblock?
[07:29] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i just wish backports was an official project with the same high quality standards. in that case, users would have a choice.
[07:29] <goldfish> Tyler: you sure it's a rar?
[07:29] <goldfish> bur[n] e1: yep.
[07:29] <Tyler> well
[07:29] <Tyler> it was a .iso
[07:29] <Tyler> but
[07:29] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: For things like firefox 1.0.4 the ubuntu backports project really didn't need to do anything.
[07:30] <bur[n] e1> what?  since when?
[07:30] <nalioth_wrkn> Tyler: it should extract to iso
[07:30] <Tyler> had a rar icon
[07:30] <Tyler> hmm
[07:30] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: It will be soon.
[07:30] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: what features do you use?  I'm curious
[07:30] <bur[n] e1> that's the reason I'm still on firefox
[07:30] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, really?
[07:30] <Tyler> i extracted it into a folder
[07:30] <goldfish> Tyler: yeah, thats because its default to open with winrar.
[07:30] <Tyler> and a bunch of files came up
[07:30] <goldfish> Tyler: have u got nero ?
[07:30] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: I like the slideshow feature, but that's all I can think of..
[07:30] <Madpilot> bur[n] e1: not yet. that's the only thing I envy FF users for...
[07:30] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i mean backports doesn't provide changelogs or source which is pretty silly
[07:30] <Tyler> yes
[07:30] <goldfish> Tyler: dont extract :)
[07:30] <nalioth_wrkn> Tyler: then again...are you on windows right now?
[07:30] <Tyler> ;p
[07:30] <Tyler> ;o
[07:30] <Tyler> yes i am
[07:30] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: They have new rules though, they can only do real 'backports', that is take something from the development version and build it for the stable version. But they'll be able to use ubuntu buildds and maybe even the mirrors and such.
[07:30] <goldfish> Tyler: in nero look for "Burn image to disk" , and select the .iso
[07:30] <Tyler> ok
[07:30] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: IRC & RSS included; some nice user-side CSS that I use for web dev stuff.
[07:30] <nalioth_wrkn> Tyler: delete the folder, and burn the "rar-icon" iso file
[07:31] <bur[n] e1> nero?
[07:31] <Tyler> alright
[07:31] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, as i don't know if backport's firefox has the non-mozilla security fix for the frame vulenerability fixed in 1.0.4-3 in sid
[07:31] <Tyler> nero-cd burning program
[07:31] <Tyler> and img burning prog
[07:31] <bur[n] e1> windows... wtf?
[07:31] <Tyler> rofl
[07:31] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: I believe RSS and user-side CSS is included.  And there's Greasemonkey to do user-side javascript as well
[07:31] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, will the rest be in backport-extras?
[07:31] <Tyler> im installing nix bur[n] e1
[07:31] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Err, wasn't that a regression that wasn't in 1.0.2?
[07:31] <bur[n] e1> Tyler: awwwwwwww
[07:31] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: lots and lots of keyboard shortcuts. very configurable toolbars. neat wallpaper, even... :)
[07:31] <bur[n] e1> good luck
[07:31] <Tyler> :)
[07:31] <Tyler> ty
[07:31] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: Firefox themes man
[07:32] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i don't think it was- i think it affects all releases but i'm not sure
[07:32] <nalioth_wrkn> Madpilot: tiglionabbit yes, great, and we all have choices now
[07:32] <Tyler> Hey goldfish, I use nero express?
[07:32] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Yes, but -extras won't have access to official distro resources (it'll run like it does now)
[07:32] <frequency> anyone have any ideas on installing Wine on an Athlon 64?
[07:32] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: No, I know it's always a regression when it shows up. They fix it then regress, fix it then regress, etc.
[07:32] <nalioth_wrkn> Madpilot: firefox being opensource, if you ask someone (or do it yourself) an extension can be written to do whatever you want
[07:32] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i was kind of shocked when i found gaim-themes in backports-- it's hard to backport a new version when the old version doesn't exist in hoary :)
[07:32] <Madpilot> nalioth_wrkn: sorry, browser choice is one of those OT holy war things, isn't it? I'm just too used to Opera to want to switch...
[07:32] <frequency> gcc is telling me that libgcc isn't 32-bit compatible
[07:33] <nalioth_wrkn> frequency: you'll need to use apt to install from source
[07:33] <Madpilot> nalioth_wrkn: but Opera doesn't *need* millions of plugins to work. it just does...
[07:33] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Exactly, they aren't going to be able to do things like that once they become official.
[07:33] <frequency> nalioth_wrkn: excellent
[07:33] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, so basically, all the real backports from backports will become official and the rest will move to backports-extras - where they should have been from the start?
[07:33] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[07:33] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Exactly.
[07:33] <jasoncohen> that's good news
[07:33] <nalioth_wrkn> Madpilot: yes, thats good. i prefer my kludgy ol' galeon (and kazehakase)
[07:33] <jasoncohen> i thought the maintainer was on crack when i started finding packages in backports that weren't in hoary
[07:33] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: isn't this what the mozilla suite is for?
[07:34] <jasoncohen> you shoudl be able to just use backport-extras for packages not in hoary
[07:34] <kevogod> Firefox 1.1 looks promising
[07:34] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Well, some things are in the development version but not in the stable version (like smeg).
[07:34] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, is that technically a backport?
[07:34] <kevogod> I'm looking forward to the Instant Forward/Back
[07:34] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Err, yes?
[07:34] <jasoncohen> wait- nevermind- sorry
[07:34] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: never used moz suites much, what do you mean?
[07:35] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: It's porting something from the dev version to the stable version. :)
[07:35] <goldfish> internet explorer 7 looks promising.
[07:35] <kevogod> lol
[07:35] <Tyler> rofl
[07:35] <Tyler> who uses ie anymore
[07:35] <kevogod> No, it does not.
[07:35] <Amaranth> wake up!
[07:35] <goldfish> I can't wait to use it in wine!
[07:35] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, sorry, that was stupid of me, heh
[07:35] <kevogod> That would be illegal.
[07:35] <Madpilot> goldfish: Dog, I hope you're kidding...
[07:35] <Tyler> firefox > ie
[07:35] <goldfish> Madpilot: Of course :)
[07:35] <goldfish> Although alot of ppl mention running it in wine, i might try it out.
[07:36] <TokenBad> how come when I use sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla and restart mozilla it still isn't showing flash files?
[07:36] <Madpilot> one thing I would like is a CSS hack that "emulates" IE6 in all it's buggy glory.
[07:36] <Tyler> btw when I restart, does it automatically boot from the disc??
[07:36] <goldfish> should do
[07:36] <Madpilot> for web page testing in non-Win systems like mine...
[07:36] <Tyler> ok
[07:36] <Tyler> and
[07:36] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, once backports becomes official, there will no longer be any danger to using backports & upgrading to the next release, right?
[07:36] <Tyler> i partitioned about 14gb...will it boot into that when i want to install?
[07:37] <Tyler> or do i select it later on
[07:37] <tiglionabbit> TokenBad: the way I installed flash player was, I went to newgrounds.com, clicked on the puzzle piece icon it showed where flash should be, and used the built-in flash installer
[07:37] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: There isn't now and really wasn't before either.
[07:37] <nalioth_wrkn> Tyler: you may have to select in bios where to boot from
[07:37] <Tyler> okay
[07:37] <goldfish> Tyler: just follow the install cd, it explains it all.
[07:37] <nalioth_wrkn> Tyler: you'll be fine
[07:37] <Tyler> lol
[07:37] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Upgrading from warty to hoary if something in backports didn't upgrade it was the exact same as the hoary version.
[07:37] <Tyler> im nervous
[07:37] <goldfish> :)
[07:37] <TokenBad> mine won't do that
[07:37] <TokenBad> it says can't find plugin
[07:37] <tiglionabbit> =\
[07:37] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, the current maintainer doesn't seem very careful to me. for example, he managed to package a 1.0.4 version of firefox that didn't have the vendorSub set to 1.0.4
[07:38] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: The hoary backports all have ~ubp5.04 or whatever in their version so they always get replaced with the breezy version.
[07:38] <Tyler> I'll have to burn firefox,gaim,xchat, and notepad ++ to a disc and install it on nix
[07:38] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Blame breezy.
[07:38] <goldfish> Tyler: emmmmmmmmm
[07:38] <goldfish> Tyler: you joking?
[07:38] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: all ubuntu versions have that vendorsub...
[07:38] <Tyler> why
[07:38] <nalioth_wrkn> Tyler: ?
[07:38] <Tyler> ?
[07:38] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: sorry, I meant hoary does
[07:38] <Madpilot> Tyler: FF, xchat & much else installs in Ubuntu by default...
[07:38] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, so, the ubuntu maintainer of breezy was at fault?
[07:38] <goldfish> Tyler: just install them from the ubuntu repositories.
[07:38] <Tyler> sry im a nubsauce
[07:38] <jasoncohen> that problem was not in sid
[07:38] <Tyler> :(
[07:38] <goldfish> Tyler: ah
[07:38] <nalioth_wrkn> Tyler: ubuntu has those things (except for notepad++)
[07:38] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: I didn't say that.  Amaranth did
[07:38] <goldfish> dont worry :)
[07:38] <Tyler> well with nix
[07:39] <Tyler> alright
[07:39] <kevogod> Don't ever say nix
[07:39] <kevogod> k thx
[07:39] <Tyler> jesus
[07:39] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, how did that happen? doesn't breezy sync with sid?
[07:39] <TokenBad> anyone else have any idea on why it will not work?
[07:39] <Tyler> kevogod, never correct me...kthx
[07:39] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Does sid even have 1.0.4?
[07:39] <Tyler> :)
[07:39] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, um- of course
[07:39] <kevogod> Tyler: k thx
[07:39] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, sid had 1.0.4 the day after its release
[07:39] <neodium> ubotu, internet connection sharing with ubunto and windows XP
[07:39] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, neodium
[07:39] <neodium> dammit ><
[07:39] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: *shrug*, see if MOM has a bug filed on it
[07:39] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, it now has 1.0.4-3 with a security fix 1.0.4 doesn't even have
[07:40] <Amaranth> neodium: Learn to spell 'ubuntu'. :D
[07:40] <tiglionabbit> TokenBad: no idea man, I thought it should.  Someone told me it would have worked if you did that before upgrading firefox...   =[
[07:40] <goldfish> TokenBad: Did you restart firefox?
[07:40] <goldfish> TokenBad: after installing...
[07:40] <neodium> my bad
[07:40] <nalioth_wrkn> neodium: those links didnt help you?
[07:40] <TokenBad> yes
[07:40] <goldfish> hmmm.
[07:40] <Amaranth> kevogod, Tyler: Don't say 'kthx', thanks. :)
[07:40] <neodium> not with networking between xp and ubuntu
[07:40] <Tyler> lol
[07:40] <kevogod> Amaranth: k thx
[07:40] <nalioth_wrkn> neodium: ask uncle google "internet sharing iptables"
[07:41] <Tyler> Amaranth, nothx
[07:41] <Tyler> ;)
[07:41] <neodium> lol yeah, ill give it a go
[07:41] <twb_> i'd really like to know how to download music on here
[07:41] <tiglionabbit> twb_: http?
[07:41] <nalioth_wrkn> twb_: same way you d/l on any other OS
[07:41] <Amaranth> kevogod, Tyler: Don't say 'kthx', thanks. :)
[07:41] <twb_> whats http
[07:41] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, any reason reportbug hasn't been altered to work with ubuntu's bugzilla?
[07:41] <kevogod> ok, I won't
[07:41] <goldfish> Amaranth: haha
[07:41] <kevogod> :-)
[07:41] <Tyler> okie
[07:41] <jasoncohen> i always used to use reportbug & querybts in sid
[07:41] <twb_> and i can't get limewire to run on here
[07:42] <kevogod> You need Java
[07:42] <tiglionabbit> twb_: hypertext transfer protocol.  What I meant was, "use the internet?"
[07:42] <nalioth_wrkn> twb_: use gtk-gnutella
[07:42] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Because bugzilla sucks? :)
[07:42] <jasoncohen> so why does ubuntu use it?
[07:42] <goldfish> twb_: there is howto on installing limewire on ubuntuforums.org
[07:42] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: I have no clue, these are questions you should ask #ubuntu-devel
[07:42] <jasoncohen> ok
[07:42] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: bugzilla is easier to use
[07:42] <pallav> mounting is still a problem for me...
[07:42] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: compared to debian bts
[07:42] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, it is?
[07:42] <tiglionabbit> pallav: hows that?
[07:42] <twb_> i didnt like gtk-gnutella, it was extremely slow
[07:42] <pallav> what i want to mount is a extended logical ntfs partition
[07:43] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: For regular users.
[07:43] <tiglionabbit> twb_: it's not so bad.  Make sure you have stuff shared
[07:43] <tiglionabbit> twb_: and make sure it has the happy face, not a 'firewalled' icon
[07:43] <jasoncohen> debian bts is more intelligent- reportbug automatically includes pertinent info about the version of the package you have installed, debconf settings & dependencies etc.
[07:43] <nickrud> twb_ you should look at mldonkey, it's really low overhead
[07:43] <tiglionabbit> pallav: what is the device name?
[07:43] <jasoncohen> and it's easier to search
[07:43] <kevogod> mlDonkey is a mess
[07:43] <pallav> device name??
[07:43] <pallav> what do u mean?
[07:44] <tiglionabbit> pallav: say "sudo fdisk -l" to see a list of your devices.  It will be called /dev/hd??
[07:44] <nickrud> kevogod really? seriously, I've been using it, but I know it's not prime.
[07:44] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: But a normal user will have no fscking clue how to use it.
[07:44] <kevogod> nickrud: Its implemenation of its networks are half-assed
[07:44] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: But they can use a simple form on a website.
[07:45] <nalioths_dog> pallav: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/windows_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[07:45] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i thought it was pretty straightforward. i guess it was easy to me.
[07:45] <Tyler> one more question...ubuntu come with grub?
[07:45] <goldfish> Tyler: yep
[07:45] <Tyler> okay
[07:45] <goldfish> Tyler: the install cd does it all nice for you
[07:45] <kevogod> nickrud: That is not to say it can't give good results, but it is generally more harmful to the networks than other clients are.
[07:45] <Tyler> lol
[07:45] <Tyler> woot
[07:46] <neodium> /etc/sysctl.conf, does anyone know how i get into this file, its giving me an acces denied error
[07:46] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, any timeframe on when backports will become official or is it just a possibility at this point?
[07:47] <jasoncohen> i don't see any mention of it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[07:47] <beginnerMKII> Jeez dual booting looks complicated, i think i should leave it :-/
[07:47] <goldfish> neodium: sudo
[07:47] <nalioth_wrkn> beginnerMKII: it's easy as pie
[07:47] <beginnerMKII> I am looking on that wiki thing, it doesn't look it, lol.
[07:48] <beginnerMKII> Perhaps i should leave it >_>
[07:48] <neodium> goldfish, im using a root terminal
[07:48] <kevogod> Dual booting is easy with a Windows partition
[07:48] <goldfish> neodium: errr, hmm.
[07:48] <goldfish> neodium: thats not good :)
[07:48] <nalioth_wrkn> beginnerMKII: its really simple
[07:48] <neodium> goldfish, no its not :(
[07:48] <neodium> goldfish, i need to open the file to change ip forwding to 1 :(
[07:48] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, thanks for all the info btw
[07:49] <goldfish> neodium: oh
[07:49] <Tyler> well, the burn is 97% done...gonna go install it in a sec...hopefully all goes well and i should be talking to you guys again by 4 est if that
[07:49] <goldfish> neodium: can u cat the file?
[07:50] <beginnerMKII> I have two harddrives, the second one has nothing on it do i still have to sort out partitions and stuff on the other one, or can i just wait till i get to the partition bit on the ubuntu install screen and that'll all do it for me ?
[07:50] <neodium> goldfish, umm im linux noob, meow ?
[07:50] <goldfish> neodium: i thought you did "echo 1 >> /pathtofile" to change ip forwarding ?
[07:50] <Tyler> talk to yall later
[07:50] <goldfish> Tyler: good luck.
[07:50] <Tyler> thanks
[07:50] <Tyler> by
[07:50] <Tyler> e
[07:50] <nalioth_wrkn> beginnerMKII: if you have an empty drive, its even easier to set up dual boot
[07:50] <tiglionabbit> beginnerMKII: you can do all of your partitioning in the ubuntu installer
[07:50] <FlannelKing> beginnerMKII, you can tell it to not touch one HD
[07:51] <beginnerMKII> heh cool, thats a little reassurance
[07:51] <tiglionabbit> beginnerMKII: it has some partition editing software in it
[07:51] <nalioth_wrkn> tiglionabbit: he shouldnt have to partition anything with an mt drive
[07:51] <tiglionabbit> true
[07:51] <beginnerMKII> I am just paranoid of messing up windows
[07:51] <tiglionabbit> but he will still have to tell it to create/format the partition on the new hd
[07:52] <FlannelKing> and have to make sure he picks the right one to partition
[07:52] <neodium> im running dual boot atm, no problems as long as u dont format the wrong hdd :)
[07:52] <nalioth_wrkn> beginnerMKII: are both your drives the same size?
[07:52] <beginnerMKII> Yeah
[07:53] <beginnerMKII> Will it see both harddrives, i mean? it wont think harddrive2 is actually the harddrive with windows on it will it?
[07:53] <beginnerMKII> [ lol ] 
[07:53] <neodium> beginnerMKII, no u will have to mount the hard drive in ubuntu to see it
[07:53] <tiglionabbit> beginnerMKII: the partitioner will be able to tell what is on either hard drive, and show you
[07:54] <beginnerMKII> cool thanks tiglionabbit
[07:55] <tiglionabbit> beginnerMKII: ubuntu is smart.  It will even set up a menu for grub that will let you boot either OS at startup
[07:55] <FlannelKing> beginnerMKII, it will label them HDA and HDB (harddrive A, and harddrive B) and then it will ask you a couple of times too, and youll be able to see everything, before mking any changes
[07:55] <beginnerMKII> Cool, thanks guys !
[07:56] <zack_> hi guys. i want to format a  hard drive as NTFS. how do i do that?
[07:56] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: why?
[07:56] <tiglionabbit> zack_: uh...  I don't think linux can do that.  Why do you want ntfs?
[07:56] <tiglionabbit> linux cannot write to ntfs
[07:56] <zack_> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: because I'll be using it with windows, not linux.
[07:56] <zack_> it's going to be my storage drive
[07:56] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: use fat32
[07:56] <tiglionabbit> zack_: it may be better to use fat32.
[07:56] <zack_> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: why fat32
[07:57] <jasmuz> tiglionabbit: what do you think about captive NTFS
[07:57] <tiglionabbit> zack_: because both windows and linux can use fat32
[07:57] <zack_> tiglionabbit: probably a good idea
[07:57] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: because then linux can read / write to it, if necessary
[07:57] <sri> can someone help me?
[07:57] <zack_> so how would i format it as fat32?
[07:57] <synthetic_> hello, i just installed ubuntu onto my ibm thinkpad notebook...this is my first time using linux and i need some help
[07:57] <zack_> it's a big drive, 250gb
[07:57] <sri> I'm stuck in a dist-upgrade to breezy :/
[07:57] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> jasmuz: would you compile a windows library into your linux kernel?
[07:57] <zack_> that i have as an external
[07:57] <beginnerMKII> This is probably the dumbest & obvious question you have guys have come across, but if i see nothing on it in windows explorer, it is empty, right?
[07:57] <zack_> what command would i use to format it?
[07:57] <goldfish> sri: have u read the topic? :)
[07:57] <sri> basically where I'm at ist hat it's trying to upgrade xlibs-data and there are conflicts.
[07:57] <zack_> windows can't format a drive > 137gb
[07:57] <nickrud_> synthetic_ you've found the right place
[07:58] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> sri: you've have disregarded the /topic
[07:58] <sri> goldfish: yeah, I have.
[07:58] <jasmuz> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: no
[07:58] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: partition it into 2 parts
[07:58] <sri> unfortunately, evolution is broken on hoary for me.
[07:58] <zack_> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: why
[07:58] <FlannelKing> beginnerMKII, doesnt have to be empty, but if you dont have anything YOU want on it, then its not important
[07:58] <zack_> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: how
[07:58] <synthetic_> thanks :) i'm trying to do two things to start:  first, make my wireless NIC work, and secondly, get sound working
[07:58] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: use qtparted
[07:58] <beginnerMKII> Cool, thanks FlannelKing
[07:58] <zack_> why two partitions
[07:58] <synthetic_> i've gotten pretty far on the wireless NIC job, i have my driver downloaded
[07:59] <sri> the annoying thing about ubuntu is that once breeezy got startd, you never got any of the new stable versions of software on hoary anymore.
[07:59] <synthetic_> i am just unsure on how to install it
[07:59] <sri> unless it was security updates or something
[07:59] <beginnerMKII> Right here we go then
[07:59] <sri> anyways, does anybody still want to ry to help me ? :-)
[07:59] <synthetic_> from what i hear, i need to get a kernal-source, i guess?
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.
[07:59] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: because 250/2=125 (formatable by windoze)
[07:59] <FlannelKing> beginnerMKII, the only stuff on it might be leftover windows bookkeeping stuff, but only for that drive.
[07:59] <beginnerMKII> If you guys never see beginnerMKII in this channel again
[07:59] <beginnerMKII> You'll know why
[07:59] <nickrud_> synthetic_ well, I cannot help with wireless, although someone here can, if you mention your exact hardware.
[07:59] <sri> beginnerMKII: why?
[07:59] <zack_> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: why can't i just format it as a 250gb drive in linux?
[07:59] <beginnerMKII> lol
[08:00] <zack_> windows will recognize it once formatted.
[08:00] <zack_> i think.
[08:00] <synthetic_> it's a Gigafast wf721-Aex wireless pCMCIA NIC
[08:00] <robitaille> sri: it's a known bug with xlibs-data: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12108
[08:00] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: what is the ultimate purpose for your 250gb drive?
[08:00] <sri> so I'm guessing i"m "on my own" here.
[08:00] <zack_> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: to store my music, movies, porn
[08:00] <synthetic_> zack_:  honesty is the best policy!  i applaud you
[08:01] <beginnerMKII> Just one last question, if Ubuntu is successfully installed on harddrive B, the pc still boots into XP on startup , right?
[08:01] <zack_> synthetic_: shrug
[08:01] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: you can set it up in linux, or split it with qtparted into 2 and let windows do it
[08:01] <FlannelKing> sri, thats how ubuntu distributions work
[08:01] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: however you do it, i recommend fat32
[08:01] <zack_> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: i want to set it up in linux. how?
[08:01] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> beginnerMKII: you'll have a choice
[08:01] <sri> FlannelKing: it's not quite optimal since software that doesn't work (like evo for me) i can't use.
[08:01] <synthetic_> I have the driver downloaded - I checked around and found it.  I just don't know how to install a driver.
[08:01] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> how does one format a HD in fat32 in linux?
[08:02] <FlannelKing> no, its not optimal for everyone, but it keeps broken things out of the majority of peoples hands.  You could always roll your own deb out of the new versions
[08:02] <beginnerMKII> It will give me that choice on startup? I'm putting faith in the fact here that because i have a second empty harddrive i can be total beginner and not have to know about partitioning etc.
[08:02] <zack_> yes, how does one format a HD in fat 32 in linux.
[08:02] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: i dont know how, i run apple hardware
[08:02] <goldfish> zack_: fdisk
[08:02] <nickrud_> synthetic_ well, if no one answers up right away, try again later.
[08:02] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> goldfish: to format?
[08:03] <zack_> goldfish: what's the command specifically? i don't want to fuck anything up
[08:03] <goldfish> oh format
[08:03] <goldfish> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: woops
[08:03] <robitaille> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ:  zack_   qtparted must be able to do it.  (from the Knoppix live CD)
[08:03] <FlannelKing> any formatting software from linux, is able to format as fat32
[08:03] <FlannelKing> well, not 'any' but most
[08:03] <zack_> how do you use qtparted
[08:03] <beginnerMKII> Right thats it guys, its do or die
[08:03] <beginnerMKII> Peace
[08:03] <synthetic_> The doc says i need to "configure my kernel build options in the kernel source directory"
[08:04] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> somebody let zack know how to do it (i'm learning too)
[08:04] <zack_> it comes on the ubuntu livecd?
[08:04] <FlannelKing> probably
[08:04] <FlannelKing> I dont know
[08:04] <sri> f
[08:04] <synthetic_> From what my friend has taught me, i need to download a kernel-source.  where can I get one?
[08:04] <robitaille> zack_:  not sure if it's on the Ubuntu live CD...old habits never die;  I usually use Knoppix to play with my partitions :)
[08:04] <Pickles2> ok nalioth
[08:05] <zack_> robitaille: i have a knoppix cd too. how can i use it to format my hard drive?
[08:05] <Pickles2> i'm going to try my newly burned cd
[08:05] <Pickles2> hope it works
[08:05] <goldfish> synthetic_: what card is it?
[08:05] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> robitaille: can ya talk zack thru knoppixising his HD?
[08:05] <robitaille> zack_:  boot with it.  Then select qtparted from one of the application menu in Knoppix.
[08:05] <tiglionabbit> zack_: why not use gparted or qtparted?  What do you need help with?
[08:05] <zack_> i don't know how to use qtparted
[08:05] <synthetic_> goldfish:  it's a gigafast wf721-aex, which I guess uses the atmel wlan driver
[08:06] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> tiglionabbit: is qt or g parted on the ubuntu livecd?
[08:06] <zack_> is it easy to use?
[08:06] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: just like partition magic
[08:06] <tiglionabbit> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: I don't think so...
[08:06] <zack_> specifically, will it recognize my external hard drive?
[08:06] <robitaille> zack_:  qtparted is  pretty straight forward ...it's all graphical similar to parition magic
[08:06] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> tiglionabbit: i'm asleep, cut me some slack
[08:06] <robitaille> zack_:  not sure about the externalHD (never owned one...)
[08:07] <zack_> it's just an external enclosure
[08:07] <zack_> for a regular eide drive
[08:07] <FlannelKing> Yes, it probably will
[08:07] <zack_> anyway, i'll go boot up the computer now
[08:07] <cafuego> zack_: it is a usb2 or firewire enclosure?
[08:07] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: usb or firewire connection?
[08:07] <tiglionabbit> zack_: in qtparted, click on the volume you want, and select what you want to do to it.  That volume must be unmounted
[08:07] <FlannelKing> If your HD is seen by the OS, then the partitioner will
[08:08] <sri> thanks for the link to the bug, I was able to get past the problem with teh workaround
[08:08] <znh> hmz.. how to create a new workspace?
[08:08] <tiglionabbit> znh: what's a workspace?
[08:08] <znh> you know.. virtual screens
[08:09] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> znh: right click on your 4 boxes at the bottom and click on 'configure' or whatever
[08:09] <FlannelKing> You want five instead of four?
[08:09] <znh> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: I'm using icewm, not gnome
[08:09] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> znh: ah
[08:09] <zack_> cafuego: nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: it's a usb2
[08:09] <cafuego> zack_: That will be fine, then. it will show up as scsi drive.
[08:10] <tiglionabbit> znh: right-click on your pager.  Does it let you make more of em?
[08:10] <cafuego> arrrgh
[08:10] <cafuego> hde: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
[08:10] <cafuego> ide: failed opcode was: unknown
[08:10] <znh> tiglionabbit: I don't have any pager :/
[08:10] <synthetic_> so, can anyone tell me where I can download a kernel source?  from there i can figure it out
[08:10] <tiglionabbit> znh: it's that thing that has little screenshots of your 'workspaces'
[08:11] <znh> tiglionabbit: don't have that
[08:11] <tiglionabbit> synthetic_: you can get a kernel image off synaptic.  As for source, uh
[08:11] <robitaille> synthetic_:  from synaptic, download the package linux-source-2.6.xxxx
[08:11] <synthetic_> thank you both
[08:12] <synthetic_> uh, and that said, what's synaptic again?  >_>;
[08:12] <Pickles2> didn't work
[08:12] <znh> synthetic_: with that you can remove and add programs
[08:12] <Pickles2> apparently, fireburner didn't burn a bootable disk
[08:13] <FlannelKing> try clicking on the workspaces themselves?
[08:13] <synthetic_> znh:  how do i use it/where do i get it/etc?
[08:13] <nickrud_> synthetic_ from the top menu, system->administration->synaptic package manager :)
[08:14] <tiglionabbit> znh: you should ask the people who made it.  Is there an irc channel on it?
[08:14] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> Pickles2: what exactly are you trying to burn?
[08:14] <znh> synthetic_: System->Preferenceces->Add/Remove programs
[08:14] <znh> tiglionabbit: yea, but they are always dead
[08:14] <FlannelKing> synthetic_ , that won't get you what you need (add/rem)
[08:14] <tiglionabbit> znh: well, it's not something entirely ubuntu-supported, so chances are we don't know.  Read the documentation
[08:14] <Pickles2> the ubuntu livecd
[08:14] <Pickles2> for ppc
[08:14] <znh> ok :)
[08:15] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> Pickles2: the iso image should be bootable no matter what program you use to burn it
[08:15] <Pickles2> but it isn't
[08:15] <adwait> provided you have not burnt the file itself to the CD, instead of burning it as an iso
[08:15] <FlannelKing> znh, google doesn't seem to have anything saying how, so I don't think you can
[08:15] <cafuego> Pickles2: Did you boot up whilst holding down the 'c' key? What PPC are you booting it on?
[08:16] <Pickles2> yes
[08:16] <Pickles2> i was holding c
[08:16] <Pickles2> i'm on an iMac G5
[08:16] <znh> FlannelKing: most be a bug then, I had it before my configurations
[08:16] <cafuego> Ok, then the burn went wrong somewhere.
[08:16] <Pickles2> so
[08:16] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> Pickles2: you need to 'burn image to disk' or something like that
[08:16] <synthetic_> should i be getting linux-image-2.6-386?
[08:16] <FlannelKing> znh, http://www.icewm.org/manual/icewm-10.html#ss10.4
[08:17] <FlannelKing> thats the closest thing I can find
[08:17] <FlannelKing> synthetic_, depends on your hardware
[08:17] <cafuego> Pickles2: Can you try burning it with 'Disk utility' ?
[08:17] <synthetic_> flannelking, what do you need to know?  I'm sorry for all the questions, this is my first time using linux
[08:18] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> Pickles2: i thought you were tryin to make your own bootable content
[08:18] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> Pickles2: Disk Utility will burn the image just fine
[08:18] <cafuego>   &@$&*((
[08:19] <Pickles2> i'm trying to make a LiveCD for ubuntu
[08:19] <FlannelKing> what sort of proccessor do you have? or, what kernel do you currently have? (in synaptec, it should list what chips its for)
[08:19] <Pickles2> using the iso i dled
[08:19] <Pickles2> i hope this workd
[08:19] <Pickles2> *works
[08:19] <Pickles2> it's my last chance
[08:19] <Pickles2> i'm out of disks after this
[08:19] <cafuego> Pickles2: Did you check the md5sum of the downloaded file?
[08:19] <Pickles2> against what
[08:19] <Pickles2> ?
[08:20] <cafuego> against the listed md5sum on the download mirror?
[08:20] <synthetic_> i have an intel pentium ii
[08:20] <TokenBad> ok another question I have realplayer installed but when click on a link that needs it..says save or to pick program like it don't see it
[08:20] <synthetic_> not sure what kernel...
[08:20] <Pickles2> i didn't
[08:20] <cafuego> Well, do that first.
[08:20] <cafuego> if they match, burn the iso with disk utility
[08:20] <FlannelKing> then yeah, that kernel is fine
[08:21] <Pickles2> how do i find it?
[08:21] <Pickles2> i'm at http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/
[08:21] <adwait> tokenbad: download the mediaconnector extention for firefox, if thats wht ur using
[08:21] <synthetic_> so, mark it for reinstallation, flannelking?
[08:21] <Pickles2> and if I click on the PPC LiveCD link, i start dling
[08:21] <TokenBad> ok and where download that adwait?
[08:22] <FlannelKing> REinstallation? no, whats the filename?
[08:22] <FlannelKing> You need the source, right?
[08:22] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> Pickles2: open a terminal and go to where your iso image is and type md5 imagename.iso
[08:22] <adwait> in firefox tools>extentions> click the link saying get extenstions.......thtll take u to the mozilla updates site, search for it there......ill try and see if i can give u a link.
[08:22] <adwait> brb
[08:22] <Pickles2> k
[08:22] <Madpilot> Pickles2: scroll down on that URL. Click the MD5SUMS thing. that'll give you the codes to check against...
[08:23] <Madpilot> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/MD5SUMS
[08:23] <synthetic_> flannelking, linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386
[08:23] <FlannelKing> youre trying to get the source?
[08:23] <synthetic_> yes
[08:23] <synthetic_> it's not in the list
[08:23] <FlannelKing> its in a different section
[08:24] <FlannelKing> do a SEARCH (up at the top) for "linux source"
[08:24] <FlannelKing> and youll see it
[08:24] <synthetic_> flannelking, it's not there
[08:24] <synthetic_> o_O
[08:25] <Tyler> got it installed
[08:25] <Tyler> how do i install the nvidia drivers by chance?
[08:25] <FlannelKing> what did you search for?
[08:25] <synthetic_> linux source, linux-source
[08:25] <synthetic_> both
[08:25] <Pickles2> ok, now where do i look in the iso i dled for the checksum that i'm supposed to check
[08:25] <Pickles2> ?
[08:25] <Tyler> Anyone know how to install graphics card drivers?
[08:25] <HappyFool> Tyler: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDrivers
[08:25] <Tyler> thanks
[08:26] <HappyFool> Tyler: nvidia drivers should be fairly easy to install
[08:26] <FlannelKing> linux source should show up.  Its named "linux-source-2.6.10" but I found it with a search for 'linux source'
[08:26] <HappyFool> Tyler: stand by. wrong url
[08:26] <synthetic_> nothing is there
[08:26] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> Pickles2: open a terminal and go to where your iso image is and type md5 imagename.iso
[08:26] <FlannelKing> which repositories are you using? settings > repositories
[08:27] <HappyFool> Tyler: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:27] <Tyler> alright
[08:27] <Pickles2> my permission was denied
[08:27] <synthetic_> flannelking, that might be my problem - just the warty warthog cd
[08:27] <Pickles2> will i just have to wait for an admin
[08:27] <Pickles2> to do it for me?
[08:27] <FlannelKing> Ah, youre on warty.  And only using the CD?
[08:28] <FlannelKing> Why havent you upgraded to Hoary?
[08:28] <Tyler> how do i do the sudo thing?
[08:28] <synthetic_> yeah, i switched it to the archive now
[08:28] <FlannelKing> heh
[08:28] <HappyFool> Tyler: start a terminal. Applications -> System tools -> Terminal
[08:28] <synthetic_> well, see, i used the pressed cd i got
[08:28] <HappyFool> Tyler: when prompted for a password, enter your user password
[08:28] <Tyler> okay
[08:28] <Tyler> ty
[08:29] <Madpilot> Pickles2: you can't generate the md5sum of your iso?
[08:29] <FlannelKing> yeah, CD doesnt get security updates or anything though.  CD is good, but you immediatelyhave to update, even with the hoary CD
[08:29] <synthetic_> flannelking, how do i update?
[08:29] <Pickles2> it says my permission is denied, when i do the thing nalioth told me to do.
[08:29] <Tyler> I have to insert a disc?
[08:29] <FlannelKing> You enabled some online repositories?
[08:30] <synthetic_> yeah, archive.ubuntulinux.org
[08:30] <HappyFool> Tyler: for the first sudo command, yes
[08:30] <FlannelKing> You might as well disable the CD too
[08:30] <synthetic_> i did
[08:30] <FlannelKing> but, click "ok" and then itll scan all of the online repos
[08:30] <HappyFool> Tyler: it looks like the other package is only available from the ubuntu website.
[08:30] <FlannelKing> and update your lists, and then you can click the "mark all upgrades" and then smart upgrade
[08:30] <Madpilot> Pickles2: what OS?
[08:31] <synthetic_> alright, thanks very much
[08:31] <z|bandito> hi
[08:31] <z|bandito> can someone help me test my tracker?
[08:31] <synthetic_> i'll do that after getting my wireless card working
[08:31] <FlannelKing> But, actually, if you have no reason for non upgrading, you can upgrade to Hoary, since if you upgrade Warty and then decide to go to Hoary, you'll have to download twice anyway
[08:32] <FlannelKing> So, you might as well just do a dist upgrade (which might fix your wireless card, if its a compatability issue)
[08:32] <synthetic_> do i have to go through the whole process with hoary again?
[08:32] <FlannelKing> Which proccess?
[08:32] <synthetic_> installation process
[08:32] <FlannelKing> no
[08:32] <synthetic_> or is it done through warty
[08:32] <FlannelKing> its done though apt, yeah
[08:32] <synthetic_> how long does it take, roughly?
[08:33] <Pickles2> i just ordered some disks
[08:33] <Pickles2> thanks for your help, guys
[08:33] <Pickles2> sorry it didn't work out
[08:33] <snatch> anyone know the best way to get more resolutions/refresh rates before installing ati drivers?
[08:34] <benplaut> is imm*ortal (sans the *) trying to get anyone's MSN address ATM?
[08:34] <FlannelKing> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[08:34] <barosl> benplaut, ..? yes. mine..
[08:34] <benplaut> spammer?
[08:34] <barosl> hmm; no... at leat not yet...
[08:35] <barosl> s/leat/least
[08:35] <FlannelKing> I have no idea how long it will take, but once you mark them (once you mark, you don't have to apply, you can discard) once you mark, itll show you the download size
[08:35] <kangpeh> snatch
[08:35] <kangpeh> the new ATI drivers
[08:35] <kangpeh> snatch: supposrts XRandR
[08:35] <kangpeh> you have to install them manually though
[08:35] <FlannelKing> on the bottom of synaptec (where it says the number of packages selected/etc)
[08:35] <kangpeh> off ati's website
[08:35] <snatch> ok
[08:35] <benplaut> barosl: he claims to want to learn english from me... odd...
[08:35] <snatch> just thought i could change a setting before i went into the install, too late to start it now
[08:35] <synthetic_> alright, thanks for all your help flannelking
[08:35] <barosl> benplaut, ^-^;;
[08:35] <FlannelKing> synthetic_, good luck
[08:36] <synthetic_> now, i don't suppose you might be able to help me get sound working, or anyone for that matter
[08:36] <barosl> benplaut, he didn't request anything to me
[08:37] <warty> does anyone here know how to make a fat32 partition using fdisk?
[08:37] <tyler> ok
[08:37] <barosl> just format it as fat32;
[08:37] <tyler> how do i get my resolution above 1024x768(i installed nvidia drivers and i cannot change it to above it)
[08:37] <warty> barosl, how?
[08:38] <warty> barosl, what do i type?
[08:38] <synthetic_> oh no
[08:39] <synthetic_> Flannelking, i did tar -xjf linux-source-etc and it's extracting it...but a ton of it says "cannot open: no sure file or directory"
[08:39] <IIIEars> tyler - try this hit ctrl+alt+backspace or log out to kill the xserver. then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg - (you must stop the xserver) then answer a few questions about your hardware
[08:40] <warty> i probably already did
[08:41] <barosl> warty, this will help you, maybe... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/answers.php?action=viewarticle&artid=41
[08:41] <warty> brb
[08:41] <IIIEars> heh -it isn't easy being new to linux it is a apain.
[08:41] <warty> trying drive on win machine
[08:41] <IIIEars> << 9th week with linux
[08:43] <tyler> can you tell me what to type again?
[08:43] <agabus> in the 'system' menu in gnome, i want to add the 'lock screen' to my launcher pad, but when i right click it activates the button??
[08:43] <adwait> back
[08:44] <synthetic_> i'm going to go lie down while hoary is installing
[08:44] <synthetic_> thanks for all your help
[08:44] <tyler> already installed nvidia drivers
[08:45] <agabus> tyler - just add it in your xorg.config file?
[08:45] <tyler> add what?
[08:45] <adwait> tyler: look at the other line and add something similar with the resolution u want
[08:46] <adwait> the file is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:46] <tyler> :(
[08:46] <adwait> tyler: ill walk u thru it.........oepn the file
[08:46] <tyler> yep
[08:47] <tyler> adwait, no need to help
[08:47] <tyler> agabus is helping
[08:47] <tyler> thanks though
[08:47] <adwait> ooh......ok.
[08:47] <agabus> adwait - u could answer my question above perhaps ^^
[08:47] <adwait> tokenbad: did u get the plugin working?
[08:48] <adwait> agabus: hmm....ill check
[08:49] <adwait> agabus: ok make an icon for a command line and enter the command: xscreensaver-command <space>-lock
[08:50] <frequency> i'm trying to install Wine from source on Ubuntu-AMD64, and it tries to compile in 32-bit, but it won't create a executable because libgcc isn't 32-bit..  any ideas?
[08:50] <adwait> agabus: ie: right click panel, add to panel and then select run aplication...and in the command line enter the above commadn
[08:51] <adwait> agabus: no oops..........in add to panel select custom application launcher
[08:51] <snatch> i did apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx, now how do i tweak my settings?
[08:52] <agabus> adwait - k trying it now
[08:55] <IIIEars> hi snatch - i haven't used an ati card. - did you just need help with setting resolution?
[08:56] <tyler> I need help with resolution
[08:56] <tyler> I installed the drivers
[08:56] <IIIEars> The channel bot may be more help. - lol - let me type in a few cues to see
[08:56] <tyler> but
[08:56] <tyler> dunno how to edit the conf file
[08:57] <tyler> wont let me type
[08:57] <snatch> yeah resolution and refresh rate
[08:57] <adwait> tyler: use sudo, it needs root permissions
[08:58] <tyler> I tried
[08:58] <IIIEars> to set resolution kill the xserver ctrl+alt+backspace or log out and back in with failsafe terminal then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:58] <tyler> but i just installed linux so i have no clue what im doing
[08:58] <adwait> try sudo gedit xorg.conf
[08:58] <tyler> ok
[08:58] <tyler> i did that and it opened a text file with no text in it
[08:58] <tyler> :] 
[08:58] <tyler> :\*
[08:59] <adwait> ok.,..try sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:59] <tyler> already tried
[08:59] <tyler> same thing
[08:59] <tyler> wait
[08:59] <adwait> make sure the x is capital......the xorg.conf file as got to be there
[08:59] <tyler> i type that in terminal right?
[08:59] <IIIEars> dpkg reconfigure is another way to do edit the xorg file all settings are written there. - answer some questions about your hardware and it will adjust the xorg file
[08:59] <adwait> yes
[08:59] <tyler> ok
[08:59] <tyler> hold on
[09:00] <hanasaki> how do i get the hires vga on my text consoles?
[09:00] <tyler> same :\
[09:00] <tyler> wtf
[09:00] <adwait> :S
[09:00] <adwait> tyler: try cd /etc/X11
[09:00] <adwait> then type ls......and see if xorg.conf is in the list
[09:00] <tyler> no such directory
[09:01] <tyler> or file
[09:01] <adwait> the x is CAPTIAL in X11
[09:01] <IIIEars> lspci gives information about hardware. - enter the info as it is in the listing and after a little trial and error your work is done,
[09:01] <tyler> I did capitalize it
[09:01] <tyler> :\
[09:02] <adwait> hmm....thts odd.......ok try cd /etc
[09:02] <tyler> nope
[09:02] <tyler> no such file or directory
[09:02] <adwait> impossible
[09:02] <tyler> but i can go to places/compute
[09:02] <tyler> and see it
[09:02] <adwait> tyler: are u typing the slash before the name etc?? cd /etc
[09:02] <pallav> plugin for .rm file to play on tortern
[09:03] <tyler> yes
[09:03] <IIIEars> tyler - the xorg.conf file is the easiest way once you know how to do it examples are posted on the 'net. sigh - i'm still using sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg..
[09:04] <tyler> IIIEars, I just installed linux like an hour ago and havent a clue what im doing.
[09:04] <adwait> ILLEars: he cant get the file open.....in the terminal it says it cant find the /etc directory
[09:04] <adwait> *IIIEars
[09:05] <Madpilot> ! RestrictedFormats
[09:05] <ubotu> Madpilot: I haven't a clue
[09:05] <Madpilot> ! Restricted Formats
[09:05] <ubotu> Madpilot: I give up, what is it?
[09:05] <IIIEars> tyler - welcome! - np, i am new too. been using linux about 9 weeks. this is really the toughest part. synaptic package installer makes the rest easy once you have linux going.
[09:05] <tyler> I see
[09:05] <tyler> I am trying to get the resolution above 1024x768
[09:06] <tyler> installed the nvidia drivers
[09:06] <IIIEars> !restrictedformats
[09:06] <ubotu> IIIEars: I don't know, could you explain it?
[09:06] <adwait> tyler: type cd /
[09:06] <tyler> hold
[09:06] <adwait> thn ls...too see if u can see etc
[09:06] <tyler> ok
[09:06] <Madpilot> pallav: check this out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats
[09:06] <tyler> yes
[09:06] <tyler> i see blue text
[09:06] <tyler> also see ect
[09:07] <adwait> right..is etc there?
[09:07] <tyler> yes
[09:07] <adwait> now type cd etc
[09:07] <tyler> no such file
[09:07] <tyler> do i type /ect?
[09:07] <frequency> etc, not ect
[09:07] <adwait> etc
[09:07] <adwait> cd etc
[09:07] <tyler> not finding ect
[09:08] <adwait> tyler: its eTc
[09:08] <frequency> its etc, not ect
[09:08] <adwait> not ect
[09:08] <frequency> check your spelling
[09:08] <tyler> :O
[09:08] <adwait> :p
[09:08] <adwait> :d
[09:08] <adwait> :D
[09:08] <tyler> omg
[09:08] <tyler> im a noob
[09:08] <tyler> rofl
[09:08] <adwait> lol
[09:08] <tyler> was spelling it wrong
[09:08] <tyler> :(
[09:08] <Madpilot> we've all been there, done that...
[09:08] <adwait> ok now.........type sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:09] <pallav> thanks
[09:09] <IIIEars> https://site-edit.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387/view?searchterm=restricted%20formats
[09:09] <tyler> ok
[09:09] <pallav> you guys are simply great
[09:09] <adwait> ok oops.....no make tht gedit
[09:09] <tyler> now adwait...
[09:09] <tyler> ?
[09:09] <tyler> hmm
[09:09] <tyler> lol
[09:09] <rtate> how can i add resolutions to my xorg.conf
[09:09] <adwait> tyler: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:09] <tyler> no text
[09:10] <adwait> rtate: check the depth for whci u want to add the resolution, there ull see a list of resolutions, after a <TAB> type the res u want
[09:10] <frequency> rtate: keep reading adwait's messages..
[09:10] <rtate> lol ok
[09:10] <IIIEars> adwait - are you using an ati card?
[09:10] <adwait> tyler: gotta be a spelling mistake for sure.....
[09:10] <tyler> ok hold
[09:10] <adwait> IIIEars: no, i have an onboard video card
[09:10] <adwait> *chip
[09:10] <IIIEars> i could send a sample xorg file but am using nvidia
[09:11] <frequency> IIIEars: could you send that to me? :-)
[09:11] <tyler> nope
[09:11] <tyler> :\
[09:11] <adwait> IIIEars: the xorg.conf file will pretty much be similar i guess
[09:11] <IIIEars> Sure. :)
[09:11] <tyler> let me try one last time
[09:11] <rtate> when i did the gedit thing mine showed up blank too
[09:11] <adwait> tyler: ok.......type cd /etc/X11
[09:11] <adwait> rtate: u too do the same
[09:11] <Madpilot> tyler: what ATI card? I can pastebin my 9600XT's xorg.conf if you need it...
[09:11] <_randabis> http://img160.echo.cx/img160/1742/meminamail5we.jpg
[09:11] <tyler> not using ati
[09:11] <adwait> then type ls and seem if theres a file xorg.conf
[09:12] <tyler> using nvidia
[09:12] <adwait> Madpilot: they cant get the file itself open, thts the problem
[09:12] <tyler> no such file
[09:12] <tyler> :\
[09:12] <rtate> yeah you have to nav to the folder
[09:12] <rtate> my bad
[09:12] <adwait> are there are other files?
[09:12] <adwait> tyler: u got into the X11 directory fine?
[09:12] <Madpilot> adwait: ah, OK. sorry, only half-following along here... :(
[09:12] <tyler> no
[09:13] <tyler> no such folder
[09:13] <tyler> at Xll
[09:13] <adwait> Madpilot: it seems they cant open the xorg.conf at all.......it shows up a blank file..
[09:13] <rtate> so i just add the res i want for each entry
[09:13] <adwait> tyler: its X (eleven)
[09:13] <frequency> it's X one one, not LL
[09:13] <concept10> adwait, open as root
[09:13] <tyler> jesus
[09:13] <tyler> lol
[09:13] <rtate> like there is 6 sets
[09:13] <TheZanke> help!
[09:13] <IIIEars> frequency - i put a copy here. http://pastebin.com/306724
[09:13] <adwait> concept10: i know....i told thm to use sudo
[09:13] <frequency> IIIEars: outstanding, thank you
[09:13] <adwait> tyler: ok now type sudo gedit xorg.conf
[09:14] <tyler> hold
[09:14] <TheZanke> i am trying to get mysql running and it keeps saying i dont have access, i am on root...
[09:14] <tyler> got it open adwait
[09:14] <adwait> tyler: smile in relief
[09:14] <adwait> :d
[09:14] <adwait> :D
[09:14] <tyler> ;D
[09:15] <tyler> :)
[09:15] <adwait> tyler: ok now.....scroll down do the part where it lists ur resolutions
[09:15] <tyler> yep
[09:15] <TheZanke> i have tried apt-get remove mysql-server and then installing again
[09:15] <TheZanke> still no avail
[09:15] <frequency> IIIEars: that says savage, not nvidia
[09:15] <adwait> tyler: something like Monitor....and then depth and then there should be ur resolutions listed two or three times
[09:15] <tyler> yeah
[09:15] <tyler> which depth?
[09:16] <TheZanke> anyone?
[09:16] <adwait> tyler: add the resollution u want in all the depths in quotes.....and make sure its first in line because they are in the decreasing order
[09:16] <tyler> okay
[09:17] <adwait> TheZanke: wht command are u using to run it/
[09:17] <adwait> ?
[09:17] <tyler> then i save adwait?
[09:17] <eno> thank you all for being patient with me earlier.  sorry I was grumpy
[09:17] <adwait> etc/init.d/mysqld?
[09:18] <IIIEars> frequency - sorry - starting the right machine now.
[09:18] <frequency> haha ok
[09:18] <adwait> tyler: save and restart the pc.......then u should see the new resolutions listed in System>Preferences>Screen Resolution
[09:18] <tyler> okay
[09:18] <tyler> brb
[09:18] <IIIEars> give me a sec.
[09:18] <rtate> adwait how do i add different refresh rates
[09:18] <TheZanke> adwait: i have tried both mysqld_safe & and /etc/init.d/mysql start
[09:19] <adwait> ratate: sorry no idea.........i think it figures tht out automatically, if it doesnt........no idea abt it :)
[09:19] <rtate> k thx
[09:20] <adwait> TheZanke: ok.....wht error exactly do u get? could u paste it to the pastebin?
[09:21] <eno> Is there anything good I can get off apt?
[09:21] <TheZanke> i get error: 'Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: NO)'
[09:21] <tyler> its not there adwait
[09:21] <tyler> they're not there*
[09:21] <adwait> TheZanke: i think u need to first open the config file and tell it to use root as the user (i think.....i installed mysql a while ago)
[09:21] <synthetic_> all the hoary upgrade packages are installing
[09:21] <IIIEars__> frequency - this machine has nvidia-glx "NV" is the initial default install from the CD the gl driver installed synaptic has it. here is the copy link. http://pastebin.com/306727
[09:21] <jasmuz> eno: anything that is in the repositories....a ton of programs
[09:22] <adwait> tyler: hmm.....then i think u will need different drivers.
[09:22] <adwait> tyler: do u hv the proper drivers for ur card?
[09:22] <eno> can I trouble you to ask how I could browse the repositories?
[09:22] <tyler> i believe
[09:22] <tyler> I have an nvidia geforce 4 mx
[09:22] <adwait> eno: use synaptic
[09:22] <jasmuz> eno...go to synaptic
[09:22] <Madpilot> eno: System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Mngr
[09:23] <eno> thanks ;)
[09:23] <jasmuz> good night people
[09:23] <adwait> tyler: ok.....maybe u made some mistake in ur xorg.conf........could u paste it to the pastebin and send me a link?
[09:23] <tyler> yea hold
[09:23] <buulian> i have a question regarding ubuntu,firefox, and why flash player won't play any sounds on websites. Actually no media has sound (music videos)
[09:24] <adwait> buulian: thts a known issue because of OSS...search www.ubuntuforums.org
[09:24] <buulian> really, thanks. can it be resolved?
[09:24] <adwait> buulian: i think so.........ill check/
[09:24] <buulian> thank you!
[09:24] <buulian> i'm looking too
[09:25] <IIIEars__> tyler - as far as i know the same driver is used for all cards and the optimized library is chosen without you needing to do anything "unified driver" package for nvidia - same as on their site i believe. i get the same nvidia logo on boot up.
[09:25] <adwait> buulian: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41051
[09:25] <tyler> :O
[09:26] <eno> which program on the package manager will let me access the coax input on my tuner card?
[09:26] <buulian> adwait: million and a half thanks
[09:26] <eno> I want to watch TV :S
[09:26] <adwait> tyler: the file seems fine to me.....so i think the problem is with the drivers
[09:26] <tyler> hmm
[09:26] <adwait> buulian: np :)
[09:26] <tyler> shall i dl them from the nvidia website?
[09:26] <tyler> they have linux drivers
[09:26] <adwait> tyler: great......try downloading the latest ones, maybe tht will solve the prolem
[09:27] <adwait> *problem
[09:27] <IIIEars__> tyler - sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will give you info on what is needed.
[09:27] <tyler> ok
[09:28] <tyler> IIIEars, I do that in terminal?
[09:28] <IIIEars__> ctrl+alt+backspace will stop the xserver so you can configure it.
[09:28] <tyler> lol okie
[09:28] <tyler> brb
[09:28] <adwait> tyler: yes
[09:29] <IIIEars__> tyler ctrl=alt=f2 is terminal ctrl+alt+f7 is the graphical desktop
[09:29] <tyler> how do i get out of the ctrl/alt/backspace?
[09:29] <tyler> just hit power button?
[09:29] <IIIEars__> erm - ctrl+alt+f2 - sheesh eye canned spele
[09:29] <adwait> tyler: the monitor drivers are generic.......maybe tht could be a problem.......wht do u thiniik IIIEars
[09:30] <IIIEars__> logout and failsafe terminal will do nearly the same thing.
[09:30] <tyler> brb
[09:31] <IIIEars__> monitors don't need drivers just info on refresh rates
[09:31] <adwait> hmm....well my xorg.conf shows the exact monitor i have.....while the one pasted by tyler says defaul monitor
[09:31] <adwait> so i thought maybe thts a problem
[09:31] <tyler> hmm
[09:31] <tyler> ctrl/alt/backspace didnt work
[09:32] <tyler> brought me to nvidia screen
[09:32] <tyler> then login screen
[09:32] <kengur> anyone knows uptodate mono repos?
[09:32] <IIIEars__> adwait - hm - interesting., you might be right. -
[09:32] <adwait> mono repos? whts tht?
[09:32] <frequency> repossessed monkeys
[09:33] <kengur> mono-project
[09:33] <IIIEars__> tyler - logout and then select "Failsafe terminal" ?
[09:33] <tyler> hold
[09:33] <frequency> oh, right... same thing. ;-)
[09:33] <tyler> theres no option for that IIIEars
[09:34] <adwait> tyler: no, u have to actually logout and then select failsafe terminal in the session and the bottom right corner of the login screen
[09:34] <tyler> ok
[09:34] <tyler> brb
[09:34] <adwait> uuh or is it bottom left.....
[09:35] <IIIEars> ctrl+alt+backspace  session failsafe terminal. - i apologize for not getting it right.
[09:35] <jtan325> how do you mount a fat32 hard drive?
[09:35] <holycow> Burgundavia, are you around?
[09:35] <adwait> jtan325: temporirly or everytime u boot?
[09:35] <holycow> Burgundavia, have you written the shorthand debian packaging tutorial by any chance?
[09:35] <jtan325> adwait: everytime. i edited my /etc/fstab
[09:36] <jtan325> i.e. added the line "/dev/sda2	/mnt/WINLIN1	vfat	rw,user,noauto  0       0"
[09:36] <adwait> jtan325: ok, then whts the problem? is it not getting mounted?
[09:36] <benplaut> g'night everybody
[09:36] <jtan325> and then when I do "sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/WINLIN2" it complains
[09:36] <tiglionabbit> yo
[09:36] <tiglionabbit> jtan325: complains about what?
[09:36] <jtan325> with "mount: mount point /mnt/WINLIN1 does not exist"
[09:37] <adwait> jtan325: no once u add the line to fstab, u dont need to specify the mount location, just type sudo mount /dev/sda2
[09:37] <IIIEars> Gotta wonder why the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg command can't transfer info from lspci
[09:37] <tiglionabbit> jtan325: that means there's no folder called "/mnt/WINLIN1"
[09:37] <jtan325> right
[09:37] <tiglionabbit> jtan325: just make an empty directory
[09:37] <adwait> jtan325: and make sure i have created the directory tht u hv specified as the mount point
[09:37] <jtan325> ah ok
[09:37] <tiglionabbit> jtan325: you have to mount it to an empty directory that exists
[09:37] <jtan325> i thought this would be done automatically...
[09:37] <jtan325> oh well
[09:37] <tyler> hmm
[09:37] <adwait> jtan325: hehe...nop
[09:37] <tiglionabbit> nope, it doesn't =P
[09:38] <tyler> would i download IA32 or IA64 video drivers?
[09:38] <frequency> IIIEars: does your nvidia card have shared or dedicated memory?
[09:38] <jtan325> alright thanks tiglionabbit, adwait
[09:38] <synthetic_> This is so complicated...but once it's set up, I'll be so happy
[09:38] <adwait> i like the way linux doesnt do any thing automaticall without asking........u get more control :)
[09:38] <synthetic_> it definitely seems stable and much more reliable and prettier and faster than XP
[09:38] <adwait> jtan325: np
[09:39] <frequency> i'm trying to apply some of the changes to my xorg.conf from what you have (just the parts i need))
[09:39] <adwait> synthetic_: u bet :)
[09:39] <synthetic_> adwait: it's just so complicated...XP is plug ad play for my wireless NIC, linux is an 8+ hour affair that still hasn't yeilded results
[09:39] <jtan325> how do you open a nautilus window with root permissions?
[09:39] <synthetic_> >_<
[09:39] <tyler> meh
[09:39] <tiglionabbit> jtan325: "sudo nautilus"
[09:39] <tyler> this resolution problem is pissing me off :|
[09:40] <adwait> synthetic_: ur hardware setup must be wierd, cuz i was up and running on ubuntu in abt 1.5 hrs.........fedora core 3 took more time though
[09:40] <tiglionabbit> !resolution
[09:40] <ubotu> well, resolution is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:41] <holycow> does anyone know why alien requires sudo?
[09:41] <holycow> its not like its installing anything
[09:41] <tiglionabbit> no idea, it just does
[09:42] <IIIEars> !codecs
[09:42] <ubotu> somebody said codecs was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:42] <frequency> !AnswerToLifeTheUniverseAndEverything
[09:42] <ubotu> frequency: I don't know, could you explain it?
[09:42] <frequency> hehe figured i'd give it a shot
[09:43] <adwait> its a bot isnt he
[09:43] <tyler> yes
[09:43] <tyler> but
[09:43] <tyler> i dont know what to do
[09:43] <IIIEars> ubotu restrictedformats is ""https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats""
[09:43] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[09:43] <adwait> tyler: how abt those new drivers?
[09:43] <tyler> didnt dl em
[09:43] <tyler> dont know how
[09:43] <tyler> :\
[09:44] <tyler> dont know whether to dl the IA32 or the IA64
[09:44] <frequency> tyler:  which kernel are you running?
[09:44] <IIIEars> !dvd
[09:44] <ubotu> IIIEars: I don't know, could you explain it?
[09:44] <tyler> dunno
[09:44] <tyler> :(
[09:44] <frequency> go to a shell and type uname -r
[09:44] <IIIEars> !mp3
[09:44] <ubotu> IIIEars: Bugger all, i dunno
[09:44] <adwait> tyler: IA32
[09:44] <adwait> tyler: u hv a 32 bit processor right?
[09:44] <tyler> yes
[09:45] <tyler> amd athlon xp 2600
[09:45] <frequency> oh, then yes, the IA32
[09:45] <tyler> ok
[09:45] <adwait> tyler: then IA32 it is......IA = Intel Architecture
[09:45] <tyler> ;o
[09:45] <tyler> i just follow instructions on here right?
[09:45] <adwait> sure
[09:46] <tyler> and can this mess up my windows partition?
[09:46] <adwait> no
[09:46] <tyler> ok
[09:46] <adwait> at the most it can mess up the linux display.......
[09:46] <adwait> tht too is the worse case scenario considering u download completely wrong drivers and go ahead and install them
[09:46] <tyler> lol
[09:47] <frequency> nah, the nVidia drivers check your arch first..
[09:47] <tyler> it says to type sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7667-pkg1.run
[09:47] <tyler> where do I type that
[09:47] <frequency> yes, do that
[09:47] <frequency> at the shell
[09:47] <tyler> how?
[09:47] <tyler> :(
[09:47] <adwait> tyler: at shell....and add sudo to it
[09:47] <tiglionabbit> tyler: use a terminal.  apps -> system tools -> terminal
[09:47] <tyler> ok
[09:47] <frequency> wait, you have to close the X server before you can install that
[09:47] <tyler> ;o
[09:47] <frequency> it'll tell you to close it and come back later
[09:47] <tiglionabbit> oh, that's true
[09:47] <tiglionabbit> it'll complain
[09:48] <tyler> lol
[09:48] <tyler> ok
[09:48] <tyler> so i type sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7667-pkg1.run
[09:48] <tyler> ?
[09:48] <frequency> yes
[09:48] <tyler> ok
[09:48] <tiglionabbit> tyler
[09:48] <tyler> let me write that down
[09:48] <adwait> yes
[09:48] <synthetic_> ah, i need help, emergency esque
[09:48] <synthetic_> i was upgrading warty to hoary
[09:49] <synthetic_> and all the stuff was replacing and stuff
[09:49] <synthetic_> and this just showed up
[09:49] <tiglionabbit> log out of X, then press control-alt-F1 to switch to the first virtual terminal, log in to it, type sudo /init/gdm stop, then run that package thing
[09:49] <tiglionabbit> someone correct what I just said, please
[09:49] <tyler> ok
[09:49] <synthetic_> error stopping pcmcia
[09:49] <frequency> to stop the X server, i just sudo killall gdm
[09:49] <tyler> ok
[09:49] <tyler> right now i type that?
[09:49] <tiglionabbit> frequency: doesn't gdm respawn?
[09:49] <frequency> tiglionabbit: other than that, you're right
[09:49] <tyler> in terminal
[09:49] <synthetic_> warning!  an error occured trying to stop pcmcia support...etc.
[09:49] <tiglionabbit> tyler: no
[09:50] <tyler> ;o
[09:50] <frequency> not when i do it :-)
[09:50] <TheZanke> is there anyway to make my own email from my ubuntu box so i can get mail at TheZanke@12.222.4.40
[09:50] <AMDXP> greetings folks
[09:50] <frequency> so i'd assume not
[09:50] <tyler> brb
[09:50] <tiglionabbit> tyler: btw, there are irc clients you can use from textmode
[09:50] <tyler> bitchx?
[09:50] <synthetic_> probably because my netcard is pCMcia, but either way, what does this mean as far as upgrading this stuff?
[09:50] <tiglionabbit> tyler: sure
[09:50] <adwait> TheZanke: i tried that without success............maybe theres something i didint know
[09:50] <tyler> how do i run it
[09:50] <tiglionabbit> tyler: just say bitchx
[09:50] <frequency> type bitchx at the shell?
[09:50] <tyler> oh ok
[09:50] <tyler> lol
[09:50] <tiglionabbit> yep
[09:50] <tyler> brb
[09:50] <AMDXP> i fixed my sound problems in gnome how to i make them work in xfce4
[09:51] <tiglionabbit> AMDXP: should be the same
[09:51] <frequency> AMDXP: sound is handled in the kernel.  it's not specific to Gnome
[09:51] <tiglionabbit> man I need to sleep,  goodnight everyone
[09:51] <frequency> g'nite tiglionabbit
[09:51] <AMDXP> tiglionabbit: u just added a module at startup it plays in gnome but not in xfce4
[09:52] <synthetic_> anyone?
[09:52] <adwait> gnite
[09:52] <tiglionabbit> AMDXP: me?
[09:52] <frequency> lol typo
[09:52] <AMDXP> i meant I
[09:52] <tiglionabbit> AMDXP: well, maybe you should put that module in a different init script
[09:53] <frequency> AMDXP: i don't know much about xfce4, but see if there is some sort of configuration for it
[09:53] <synthetic_> i'm trying to upgrade to hoary and it says it can't stop pcmcia support
[09:53] <tiglionabbit> I'm not an expert though, perhaps bootmisc.sh?  No idea
[09:53] <synthetic_> Anyone know?
[09:53] <eno> I would like to thank you all again... I am pretty elated to have this running now
[09:53] <AMDXP> ok i will try that thanks for the idea
[09:53] <frequency> and see if it offers options like ALSA, OSS or ESD
[09:53] <tyler> ugh
[09:53] <synthetic_> Is it just because I use PCMCIA netcards to get online?  And will it cause any trouble?
[09:53] <adwait> eno: enjoy linux.........may the source be with  you (wow........geeky)
[09:53] <frequency> tyler: what's the status?
[09:53] <tyler> well
[09:53] <frequency> lol
[09:53] <eno> ;)
[09:53] <tyler> went to failsafe terminal
[09:54] <tyler> and typed sudo blahblah(the nvidia crap) and it didnt work
[09:54] <frequency> what did it say?
[09:54] <tyler> not found
[09:54] <frequency> where did you save the file?
[09:54] <adwait> tyler: where did u save
[09:54] <tyler> dunno
[09:54] <frequency> lol
[09:54] <adwait> :S
[09:54] <frequency> type find ~ -name 'NVID*'
[09:54] <tyler> ill dl it
[09:54] <tyler> over
[09:55] <adwait> tyler: if u r using firefox.......probably in the deskop
[09:55] <tyler> yea
[09:55] <frequency> good point adwait
[09:55] <tyler> ill just dl it over
[09:55] <frequency> no
[09:55] <tyler> to be safe
[09:55] <tyler> dude
[09:55] <frequency> go to ~/Desktop
[09:55] <tyler>  already did
[09:55] <frequency> okay
[09:55] <tyler> dont worry about it
[09:55] <tyler> ok its done
[09:55] <tyler> now
[09:55] <tyler> i do?
[09:55] <adwait> tyler: now remember where it is.....
[09:55] <frequency> ok, so you know where it is now?
[09:55] <tyler> desktop
[09:55] <tyler> i see it
[09:55] <frequency> wonderful
[09:55] <tyler> lol
[09:55] <frequency> you need to kill the X server
[09:55] <tyler> ok
[09:56] <tyler> btw
[09:56] <adwait> right....so ull need to type cd /home/<username>/Desktop
[09:56] <tyler> i tried going to the bitchx
[09:56] <tyler> didnt work
[09:56] <adwait> thn type the sudo sh...command
[09:56] <tyler> in failsafe terminal?
[09:56] <frequency> adwait: i just use ~ ;-)
[09:56] <adwait> ooh....hmm yeah
[09:56] <synthetic_> Can anyone help me out?
[09:57] <tyler> brb
[09:57] <frequency> tyler: go to your Desktop directory, and type sudo sh NV and hit tab.  it'll autocomplete the filename so you don't have to remember all those numbers
[09:57] <adwait> syntehetic_:apparently not :)
[09:57] <tyler> que?
[09:57] <synthetic_> adwait:  I guess not..
[09:57] <frequency> to ensure you have the right filename
[09:57] <AMDXP> this dillo browser is pretty cool
[09:58] <frequency> it's not really that important, but if you allow the shell to type out the filename, you won't run the risk of typing it incorrectly
[09:59] <frequency> wonder if he knows Desktop is supposed to be capitalized..
[09:59] <adwait> hehe......lets hope so
[09:59] <adwait> lol.......was funny when he kept searching for "ect" :d
[10:00] <frequency> lol yeah
[10:00] <adwait> :D
[10:00] <frequency> and even after we corrected him, he still didn't see it..
[10:00] <sektor> hey
[10:00] <adwait> hehe
[10:00] <adwait> hey sektor
[10:00] <frequency> top o' th' mornin to ya, Sektor
[10:00] <sebastian> I can't Add or "Remove Programs", after I've entered my password it tells me "Failed to run /usr/bin/gnome-app-install: Child terminated with 1 status."
[10:01] <frequency> are you typing in your user password or the root password?
[10:01] <sebastian> My pass.
[10:01] <frequency> hmm...
[10:01] <adwait> sebasitan: it happens sometimes to me too........i simply reboot the box and thn its fine.....
[10:02] <Sektor> omg, windows like :)
[10:02] <frequency> open a terminal window and type sudo /usr/bin/gnome-app-install
[10:02] <adwait> lol
[10:02] <Sektor> and use root password :P
[10:02] <frequency> no
[10:02] <frequency> use your own
[10:02] <adwait> sektor: i can console myself wit the fact tht its much much much less frequent thn windows :d
[10:02] <Sektor> ah
[10:02] <tyler> i giveup
[10:02] <tyler> :\
[10:03] <sebastian> Well, another question, wich of the , like 6, linux kernels should I use?
[10:03] <dougsk> anyone familiar with encrpyting /home /var /tmp swap setups potentially with lvm if possible?
[10:03] <tyler> im so tired
[10:03] <frequency> tyler: what went wrong now
[10:03] <adwait> tyler: wb.....wht happened?
[10:03] <tyler> nothing
[10:03] <tyler> it like didnt work
[10:03] <frequency> well what did it say?
[10:03] <tyler> dont know what to do
[10:03] <Sektor> adwait: can't say much about it, had ubuntu for two days :p
[10:03] <tyler> dunno
[10:03] <tyler> :\
[10:03] <adwait> tyler: dodnt find the file?
[10:03] <tyler> i have the file
[10:03] <tyler> i dunno
[10:03] <frequency> did it run the driver installer at all?
[10:03] <tyler> :\
[10:03] <adwait> tyler: no in the failsafe, did u fnd the file?
[10:03] <tyler> no
[10:04] <tyler> no
[10:04] <tyler> i didnt
[10:04] <frequency> what was the error message?
[10:04] <tyler> i dunno
[10:04] <tyler> im so fucking tired
[10:04] <adwait> tyler: wht did it do when u typed ur command?
[10:04] <sebastian> frequency, "sebastian is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported."
[10:04] <frequency> well, crap
[10:04] <tyler> nothing adwait
[10:04] <frequency> okay, try just plain ol' su to switch to root
[10:04] <adwait> tyler: hehe........maybe ur too frustrated right now, get a nice sleep and come back later, huh/
[10:04] <tyler> sure
[10:04] <tyler> i guess
[10:04] <Sektor> or you could smash up your pc
[10:04] <Sektor> much more satisfying
[10:04] <tyler> or not
[10:05] <jtan325> what can i use to play avi files?
[10:05] <tyler> ok
[10:05] <sebastian> Not really a noobfriendly os this?
[10:05] <Sektor> than smash up someone elses :p
[10:05] <tyler> no
[10:05] <frequency> lol
[10:05] <tyler> my friend said i should use it
[10:05] <tyler> since its userfriendly
[10:05] <adwait> sebastian: it is really supposed to be.........i had no problems whn i installed
[10:05] <frequency> !jtan restrictedformats
[10:05] <tyler> and i dont believe it
[10:05] <ubotu> frequency: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[10:05] <frequency> !restrictedformats
[10:05] <ubotu> well, restrictedformats is ""https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats""
[10:05] <tyler> i had no probs when installing
[10:05] <frequency> jtan go to that link
[10:05] <trog> is there a good audio app (like soundforge) available?
[10:05] <tyler> just installing my gfx drivers
[10:05] <Sektor> well, it's still linux
[10:06] <Sektor> it's not supposed to be easy :P
[10:06] <tyler> adwait or frequency, what do I type in failsafe to install the gfx drivers?
[10:06] <adwait> its supposed to be STABLE
[10:06] <dougsk> what's soundforge smoe mp3 playe?
[10:06] <tyler> gotta write it down
[10:06] <frequency> Sektor: it'd be easier if friggin' hardware vendors would support it
[10:06] <adwait> tyler: after u download the file, ....depends on the file type
[10:06] <frequency> sudo sh NVIDIA-blah-blah.run
[10:06] <adwait> aah...ok, thn that
[10:06] <tyler> thats all?
[10:06] <adwait> tyler: before that type cd ~/Desktop
[10:06] <frequency> you have to be in ~/Desktop directory
[10:06] <tyler> ok
[10:06] <adwait> note the capital D
[10:06] <Sektor> frequency: true, i had redhat on my other pc, it has onboard souncard
[10:07] <frequency> hehe
[10:07] <tyler> ok
[10:07] <tyler> hold
[10:07] <TheZanke> ERROR! ERROR!
[10:07] <Sektor> couldn't get the blasted thing to work
[10:07] <TheZanke> cannot load mysql extension;
[10:07] <TheZanke> please check PHP configuration
[10:07] <Sektor> so it was useless
[10:07] <tyler> last try for the night
[10:07] <tyler> ill brb
[10:07] <sebastian> trog, Tried Audacity?
[10:07] <frequency> Sektor: i had the same problem with an onboard Riptide soundcard..
[10:08] <frequency> Linuxant offered a driver that worked pretty well
[10:08] <trog> thanks sebastian .. thats the one I was looking for.. couldn't remember the name
[10:08] <Sektor> i found something, but couldn't get it to work
[10:08] <Sektor> forgot the name
[10:08] <frequency> heh
[10:08] <Sektor> was way too complicated for a linux noob like me
[10:08] <eno> what does sudo mean?
[10:08] <frequency> hreh
[10:08] <Micksa> gah
[10:08] <virtualsue> superuser do
[10:08] <Sektor> so you can do a command only root can do, without actually logging in
[10:08] <dougsk> pseudo super user
[10:09] <Sektor> i think :D
[10:09] <virtualsue> in other words, "do this command as the superuser"
[10:09] <eno> cool 8)
[10:09] <frequency> it's funny, 'cause you don't necessarily have to execute as root with su or sudo
[10:09] <virtualsue> true
[10:10] <tyler> nope
[10:10] <frequency> basically just calls setuid
[10:10] <tyler> hmm
[10:10] <frequency> tyler: what did it say?
[10:10] <tyler> couldnt find the file
[10:10] <tyler> couldnt fint it
[10:10] <adwait> ok i am gonna get some lunch.........bbye ppl
[10:10] <tyler> find*
[10:10] <Sektor> c u
[10:10] <tyler> went to desktop
[10:10] <virtualsue> it provides logging and a way to configure specific commands that users can do as another userid
[10:10] <frequency> what exactly did you type and what did it say?
[10:10] <tyler> later ad
[10:10] <frequency> later adwait
[10:10] <tyler> ~/Desktop then sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7667-pkgl.run
[10:10] <Sektor> when i click a window behind another window, it doesn't pop to front, anyone know why?
[10:11] <gotonpo> holy juju
[10:11] <gotonpo> i love ubuntu
[10:11] <gotonpo> this is my second night with it
[10:11] <gotonpo> and i'm playing world of warcraft
[10:11] <tyler> lol
[10:11] <sebastian> How do I add myself to the sudoers file then?
[10:11] <tyler> im having trouble
[10:11] <Sektor> haha
[10:11] <dougsk> wait, isn'te there a supplied package for nvidia binaries and doesn't it just require an nvidia-glx-config --enable ?
[10:11] <Sektor> congratz :p
[10:11] <frequency> tyler: try sudo sh ~/Desktop/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7667-pkgl.run
[10:11] <IIIEars> gotonpo - "" me too.
[10:11] <jtan325> here's a totally newbie question... what is the difference between 386, 586, 686?
[10:12] <tyler> ok hold
[10:12] <gotonpo> IIIEars: lol awesome :)
[10:12] <frequency> put the ~/Desktop/ before the filename
[10:12] <jtan325> i know 386 is the old processor
[10:12] <jtan325> and 586 is pretty much the pentiums
[10:12] <jtan325> but yeah....
[10:12] <gotonpo> IIIEars: what server?
[10:12] <jtan325> i just realized alot of the stuff i've been configuring has been 386, but i have a pentium 4
[10:12] <eno> I think it means 64 bits
[10:12] <Sektor> hehe
[10:12] <IIIEars> << - ubuntu love ;)
[10:12] <Sektor> think  P4 is 686
[10:13] <gotonpo> oooooh :P
[10:13] <frequency> jtan325: 386 was the first intel processor that supported multitasking.. 486 was next, 586 was pentium, and Pentium II and above (including celeron) are 686
[10:13] <Sektor> IIIEars: that sounds kinky :p
[10:13] <IIIEars> been trying and quickly discarding different distros for some time only ubuntu has managed to stay on any of my machines
[10:13] <sebastian> 586 = Pentium (meaning five) 686 = Pentium 2+ iirc
[10:13] <jtan325> uh oh
[10:13] <gotonpo> yeah, i'm in the same boat IIIEars
[10:14] <frequency> ok, y'all playin' WoW, are you using Wine?
[10:14] <Sektor> hmm, this is P3 but i have 386 disto on it i think
[10:14] <dougsk> sebastian, wasn't there mmx extensions that came with pentium pro's as well somethign like that  foggy
[10:14] <IIIEars> knoppix was okay but ubuntu and synaptic linux was here to stay.
[10:14] <sebastian> I solved that problem with installing Windows, but I guess that isn't an option for you. :)
[10:14] <gotonpo> frequency: i'm using cedega
[10:14] <frequency> Sektor: a program built for 386 will run on anything 386 or higher
[10:15] <frequency> ahh..
[10:15] <frequency> gotonpo: tell me you're using a 64-bit processor..
[10:15] <Sektor> ah k, tnx :)
[10:15] <gotonpo> frequency: no :(
[10:15] <frequency> Sektor: of course
[10:15] <gotonpo> i wish
[10:15] <frequency> gotonpo: crap..
[10:15] <TheZanke> okay, i know the problem but of coarse now i have another problem.... I cant find php4-mysql in apt-cache
[10:15] <IIIEars> dougsk - there is a 686 ubuntu kernel also
[10:15] <TheZanke> and that is what i need
[10:15] <frequency> gotonpo: i tried installing cedega today but it doesn't have a 64-bit build
[10:16] <frequency> Wine doesn't work either..
[10:16] <Sektor> is it worth the effort to install 686 kernel?
[10:16] <dougsk> IIIEars, pentium pro was a p aka 586 nbut I thought it had some mmx stuff that was mostly seen in p2's  anyways it doesn't matter no one is running that old crap with ubuntu (or at least I hope)
[10:16] <tyler> ok
[10:16] <IIIEars> frequency - i was told cedega needed a 2.4 kernel. is that right?
[10:16] <frequency> Sektor: it's just a matter of clicking in Synaptic
[10:16] <tyler> how do i get out of x
[10:16] <tyler> ?
[10:16] <frequency> IIIEars: i have no idea..
[10:16] <TheZanke> can someone please tell me what mirrior to add to get php4-mysql and how to add that mirrior to my list?
[10:16] <bpuccio> TheZanke: it should be there, do you have universe enabled? http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/web/php4-mysql
[10:17] <jtan325> how do you manage file associations in ubuntu?
[10:17] <tyler> frequency, how do i get out of X?
[10:17] <Fang> hey guys, I just booted up the live cd. How do I mount my windows drive? (doesn't seem to be done by default)
[10:17] <Madpilot> TheZanke: check syn, it's there
[10:17] <Sektor> frequency: tnx, gonna try that, if i'm not back in five i messed up :p
[10:17] <TheZanke> bpuccio what universe?
[10:17] <frequency> tyler: to get completely out, go to a terminal and type sudo killall gdm
[10:17] <Madpilot> TheZanke: also: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary
[10:17] <IIIEars> !repository
[10:17] <ubotu> IIIEars: I give up, what is it?
[10:17] <tyler> ok
[10:17] <frequency> lol
[10:17] <tyler> be back
[10:17] <sebastian> Fang, Tell me when ou find out ;)
[10:17] <Madpilot> !repos
[10:17] <ubotu> Wish i knew, Madpilot
[10:17] <TheZanke> Madpilot: i am running thorugh ssh
[10:17] <Fang> ROFL
[10:17] <jtan325> Fang, you gotta first make an empty directory under /mnt
[10:17] <jtan325> using "sudo"
[10:17] <jtan325> this will be the name of the folder where you mount the filesystem
[10:18] <Madpilot> TheZanke: OK, but check the URL I just posted
[10:18] <sebastian> Can't you just point and click somewhere?
[10:18] <sebastian> I though this was the easy distro?
[10:18] <bpuccio> TheZanke: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/view?searchterm=universe
[10:19] <Witherr> Is there any chance to come back from breezy to hoary after upgrade? :o)
[10:19] <IIIEars> the ubuntuguide has some info on adding repositories
[10:19] <bpuccio> TheZanke: you can enable the universe repository either through synaptic or by editing /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:19] <frequency> sebastian: it is..  everything else is much harder
[10:19] <Sektor> frequency: any idea what i
[10:20] <Sektor> what i'm looking for?
[10:20] <frequency> ya wanna be hardcore, try Slackware.. :-)
[10:20] <gotonpo> does anyone here use xfce? what are the advantages? is ubuntu too specialized in gnome for it to be worth it?
[10:20] <Sektor> isn't gentoo bout as hard as they come?
[10:20] <frequency> oh, right.. go under the Base System section, look for linux-image-2.6.10-11-686 or something like that
[10:20] <bpuccio> TheZanke: see also https://wiki.ubuntu.com//AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:20] <bpuccio> night all
[10:20] <TheZanke> bpuccio: Madpilot http://12.222.4.40/where.jpg
[10:20] <sebastian> frequency, Even the suciest of os:es, Windows mounts new devices automatically.
[10:20] <IIIEars> frequency - slackware isn't for the timid. - compiling everything takes a lot of time. make good backups. - lol
[10:21] <dougsk> Madpilot, TheZanke me thinks since php4-pgsql is in main the developers are trying to use subtlety to pass a hint
[10:21] <Fang> jtan325, I don't remember how to do that, sorry
[10:21] <frequency> IIIEars: hehe
[10:21] <sebastian> IIIEars, You don't have to compile anythiong in slack.
[10:21] <tyler> well
[10:21] <tyler> it said that
[10:21] <TheZanke> dougsk: i have tried the pgsql one, didnt work
[10:21] <tyler> cc wasnt foun
[10:21] <tyler> d
[10:21] <frequency> IIIEars: i think you're talking about Gentoo
[10:21] <tyler> alog with some other things
[10:21] <Madpilot> dougsk: have they really put mysql & postgresql in different repos?
[10:21] <dougsk> TheZanke, oh my bad sorry
[10:21] <IIIEars> sebation - hm - didn't know that
[10:21] <frequency> tyler: oh, shoot..  you need to install gcc
[10:22] <tyler> how?
[10:22] <dougsk> Madpilot, at least those two particular's apache mods
[10:22] <frequency> sebastian: what did you mean by suciest?
[10:22] <jtan325> Fang: you just do something like "sudo mkdir /mnt/drive-c"
[10:22] <sebastian> *suckiest
[10:22] <frequency> lol ok
[10:22] <virtualsue> when i installed ubuntu I set up a fat partition for the usual reason
[10:22] <jtan325> Fang: and that will be the folder under /mnt that contains your drive to mount
[10:22] <frequency> Sektor: did ya get it?
[10:22] <virtualsue> when I boot up and log in, I can't access it unless I unmount it and remount it
[10:22] <tyler> How do I install GCC?
[10:23] <virtualsue> that's annoying - what did I miss?
[10:23] <jtan325> is there a video player for linux that allows resizing
[10:23] <jtan325> mplayer doesn't
[10:23] <frequency> open Synaptic, go to Development section, find gcc
[10:23] <weiers> Hi... trying to finalise the setup of ubuntu hoary on my office. How do I install my HP printer? I went to System: Admin: Printers and selected a new printer. The machine immediately detected my HP5l printer. It then asked me to select a driver and I selected the hpijs driver. Then it asked me to select a .ppd file and opened my /home/weiers folder. I see there is a .ppd folder in there from a previous Canon-BJC-2000-bjc600.  Where do I get the HP5l.ppd? Or
[10:23] <weiers> how do I get past this step?
[10:23] <Sektor> frequency: yes tnx
[10:23] <IIIEars> lol - oh yeah... - now i remember gentoo. install from a cd, get a black screen and a bunch of cryptic instructions. tried it. - took two aspirin and called it a night.
[10:23] <frequency> Sektor: it should appear on the GRUB menu on next reboot
[10:23] <Sektor> frequency: was looking for "kernel" or something :)
[10:23] <frequency> IIIEars: that seems about right
[10:23] <frequency> hehe
[10:24] <Sektor> frequency: do you know why the active window doesn't always pop to front?
[10:24] <frequency> Sektor: it's actually something they changed in Gnome 2.10
[10:24] <Sektor> i can select a window, but it stays hidden behind the previous active one
[10:24] <sebastian> Hmm, I connected my mp3 player, and it opened automatically. (Nice!) But now I don't know how to close it so I can remove it. :/
[10:24] <Sektor> i'm using KDE... :)
[10:24] <Fang> I should find some docs to download somewhere instead of bothering folks:)
[10:24] <frequency> oh, then it's a KDE problem..  elefino, i never use that! :-)
[10:24] <TheZanke> if i wget the ubuntu file, how do i install it with apt-get?
[10:24] <tyler> gcc base?
[10:24] <Sektor> hehe
[10:25] <Sektor> a mate of mine said kde was better
[10:25] <frequency> tyler: everything that says gcc on it :-)
[10:25] <tyler> ok
[10:25] <Sektor> he knows lot about linux, so i listen to what he sais :p
[10:25] <frequency> Sektor: i honestly don't know anything about it 'cause i've never used it
[10:25] <dougsk> TheZanke, I think it would be easier to use dpkg -i so long as there no dependancies otherwise you'll need to build your own local apt repo
[10:25] <IIIEars> Sektor - KDE is very nice. - gnome is just less ram hungry.
[10:26] <Sektor> ah :)
[10:26] <sebastian> KDE has much better settings, but is also more bloated.
[10:26] <frequency> IIIEars: KDE was written in C++ and Gnome was written in C..  that may be one reason for that
[10:26] <Sektor> though it was running more slowly :(
[10:26] <jtan325> is there a linux video player that allows resizing?
[10:26] <Sektor> it's a P3 600
[10:26] <frequency> jtan325: totem
[10:26] <TheZanke> *cries* all i want is php4-mysql
[10:26] <tyler> ok frequency i installed gcc
[10:26] <TheZanke> is that soo wrong?
[10:26] <Sektor> used to working on P4 3Gig so my patience is really being tested
[10:26] <frequency> tyler: okay, try it again, you should be good to hook
[10:26] <tyler> ok
[10:26] <tyler> hold on
[10:27] <gotonpo> does anyone prefer xfce?
[10:27] <virtualsue> I picked performance
[10:27] <TheZanke> THERE IT IS!
[10:27] <frequency> Sektor: hehe
[10:27] <TheZanke> AHAHAHA
[10:27] <TheZanke> it showed up, finally!!
[10:27] <IIIEars> Sektor - you can install kubuntu-desktop using synaptic and get KDE. just tried it a few mins ago and got a file size mismatch in the repo so i didn't complete it.
[10:27] <frequency> i'd actually like to try KDE now that i've got a system that can handle it
[10:27] <TheZanke> OMG
[10:27] <jtan325> frequency: but the support for file types is not as good as mplayer, right?
[10:28] <jtan325> or are there plugins that i am not aware of...  i just did the ones i could find in synaptic after searching for "totem", and also installed all the gstreamer
[10:28] <frequency> jtan325: i haven't had a problem with it (well, except when trying to play MOV and WMV files)
[10:28] <IIIEars> Sektor - the D/L is fairly large 100+ megs
[10:28] <sebastian> No one knows how to eject a drive?
[10:28] <TheZanke> nvm i was tricked
[10:28] <frequency> jtan325: you won't find them in there..  the codecs aren't specific to totem
[10:28] <weiers> any advice on how and where I could get a .ppd file for my printer? The printer setup/driver seems to want it?
[10:28] <eno> sorry to interrupt... I have a hard disk on hde1... how do I mount it?  and is there a way I can have this done automatically?
[10:28] <TheZanke> bpuccio: help please
[10:28] <frequency> IIIEars: i think Sektor left
[10:29] <TheZanke> bpuccio: i cant get it to work
[10:29] <IIIEars> thx
[10:29] <Madpilot> sebastian: right click & select "unmount" like w/ CDs or DVDs?
[10:29] <TheZanke> bpuccio: how do i enable universe? i uncommented the 2 univeres likes in my config... but to no avail
[10:29] <frequency> sebastian: in Gnome you can eject them by right-clicking and hitting "Eject"
[10:29] <jtan325> frequency: what do you mean? so do i have to install extra plugins for totem?
[10:30] <jtan325> frequency: also, right now when i open an avi with totem, totem launches, but then quits right away, without displaying anything
[10:30] <frequency> jtan325: they're like plugins.. they're called codecs
[10:30] <frequency> yes, you can play AVIs in totem
[10:30] <gorehawg> hello....
[10:30] <jtan325> frequency: right. what's the name of these codecs?
[10:30] <frequency> !restrictedformats
[10:30] <Madpilot> jtan325: w32codecs
[10:30] <ubotu> well, restrictedformats is ""https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats""
[10:30] <sebastian> Madpilot, frequency: Nope, isn't any such option.
[10:30] <gorehawg> I am trying to install a new theme for gnom
[10:30] <dougsk> there is kpersonalizer which will allow one to rapidly detune the kde eye-candy seems to work quite fast, and if you surf with konq rather than moz it's a pretty snappy stte of affairs even on oldish hardware.
[10:30] <frequency> jtan325: go to the link ubotu provided
[10:30] <Madpilot> sebastian: OK; don't have an MP3 plyr myself... odd...
[10:30] <gorehawg> what do I do once I dled the .tar.gz file?
[10:30] <dougsk> s/stte/state
[10:31] <frequency> sebastian: are you using Gnome?
[10:31] <dougsk> gorehawg, tar -xzvf foo.tar.gz
[10:31] <tyler> said im missing a kernal file
[10:31] <frequency> which file?
[10:31] <tyler> and couldnt find it on the nvidia ftp site
[10:31] <sebastian> Oh wait, apparently it was mounted on two places, it worked on the second.
[10:31] <tyler> didnt say
[10:31] <tyler> :\
[10:31] <frequency> did it say kernel interface?
[10:31] <Fr0Gs> if anyone has got counter-strike source working on linux message me please
[10:31] <tyler> i believe
[10:32] <frequency> because it said i didn't have the kernel interface either, but that's what you got GCC for
[10:32] <gotonpo> anyone here use ubuntu on a PPC?
[10:32] <tyler> btw frequency do you have aim?
[10:32] <frequency> sure do
[10:32] <Bigglez> Aaargh! I am in my second DAY of trying to install Ubu/Kubu onto a P3. The problem is it bombs the install saying initrd-tools cant be installed! Have a nice day... I am SO lost now. Any help?
[10:32] <tyler> screename?
[10:32] <frequency> vagabundo42
[10:32] <tyler> it'd be easier on aim
[10:32] <tyler> it takes forever for me to load up on freenode
[10:32] <blueimac> hello
[10:32] <jtan325> frequency: what on this wiki page should i look at?
[10:32] <jtan325> i think i've read everything...
[10:32] <blueimac> i got an install or rather reinstall problem brewing
[10:32] <jtan325> and i got the part where it says that mplayer can play avi's
[10:32] <tyler> ima go on windows
[10:32] <jtan325> and it does
[10:32] <tyler> be back
[10:33] <jtan325> but nothing really about toem
[10:33] <frequency> jtan325: that link should take you straight to a set of instructions on how to install all the codecs for AVIs, MPEGs, etc..
[10:33] <TheZanke> bpuccio: OMFG i got it to work ^^ thank you
[10:33] <Madpilot> jtan325: have you installed the w32codecs?
[10:33] <ukato> just wondering, has anyone here got Steam to work with Cedega CVS
[10:33] <gorehawg> doug: I did that and I try to install it using the theme manager
[10:33] <gorehawg> and it says invalid file type
[10:33] <gorehawg> any ideas?
[10:33] <jtan325> hmmm or maybe i am just assuming this repository is in my sources.list
[10:33] <blueimac> im sure everyone here had that GRUB error 17 at one point, bu i cant make it go away...
[10:33] <frequency> oh, wait
[10:33] <jtan325> i apologize, i should've checked that first
[10:34] <frequency> jtan325: i gave the wrong link
[10:34] <IIIEars> !restrictedformats - should give the link to needed codecs
[10:34] <ubotu> IIIEars: I don't know, could you explain it?
[10:34] <IIIEars> !codecs
[10:34] <ubotu> I guess codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:34] <jtan325> !restrictedformats
[10:34] <ubotu> I heard restrictedformats is ""https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats""
[10:34] <dougsk> gorehawg, wait what?  use symaptic or aptitude to install stuff.
[10:34] <Bigglez> Anyone had problems installing Ubu/Kubu due to "initrd-tools" ?
[10:34] <dougsk> s/symaptic/synaptic
[10:34] <jtan325> ubotu, frequency: they are the same page
[10:34] <ubotu> okay, jtan325
[10:34] <frequency> hmm...
[10:34] <gorehawg> doug: I am just trying to install a new gnome theme
[10:35] <frequency> i remember looking at a different page for that
[10:35] <jtan325> yeah and i have the repository in my sources.list already
[10:35] <IIIEars> ubotu restrictedformats is also codecs
[10:35] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[10:35] <dougsk> gorehawg, there are themes available look at gnome-themes and the gnome-themes-extras package
[10:35] <jtan325> IIIEars: what? where do i go then...
[10:36] <frequency> sektor: you using the 686 kernel now?\
[10:36] <blueimac> so let's say a friend of mine got all drunk and accidentally formatted the partition containing ubuntu, and hence certain GRUB files, what would one have to do to remedy this situation and get their computer to boot... hypothetically
[10:36] <IIIEars> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats ;)
[10:36] <sektor> frequency: yup
[10:36] <sektor> didn't even explode or anything
[10:36] <frequency> any performance boost at all?
[10:36] <sektor> actually there is
[10:37] <Bigglez> Please - am desperate! Anyone had problems installing Ubu/Kubu due to "initrd-tools" ?
[10:37] <sektor> might be in my head though :P
[10:37] <frequency> there aren't many extensions that the 686 provides, but there are a few..  should give your machine a little spring in its step
[10:37] <jtan325> IIIEars: but i've done pretty much everything on that page...
[10:37] <dougsk> blueimac, is this a yaboot thing for ppc?
[10:37] <sektor> but seems to be running more smoothly
[10:37] <jtan325> and my totem player isn't doing anything
[10:37] <blueimac> ya,bootloader
[10:37] <blueimac> GRUB
[10:37] <blueimac> gets halfway thru loading it and gives me error 17
[10:37] <sektor> frequency: been a linux user for a long time?
[10:38] <blueimac> plainly, no
[10:38] <frequency> eh, a few years
[10:38] <blueimac> o nm
[10:38] <blueimac> i've been trying to reinstall it all day and have been having problems, it seems to get stuck in the partitioner section of the install
[10:38] <sektor> i'm trying to learn linux now, but windows is so bloody convenient :p
[10:39] <Bigglez> Kubu/Ubu install problem - anyone have some experience? (last try :( )
[10:39] <dougsk> blueimac, well using a live cd you should be able to boot, then mount siad partition with either root and boot partitions and then I think you use the chroot command to the mounted root/boot and then use grub-install
[10:39] <frequency> sektor: honestly, it all has to do with the hardware vendors
[10:39] <AMDXP> i got sound thanks guys
[10:39] <frequency> if they'd support Linux like they support Windows, Linux would be just as easy to use
[10:39] <sektor> frequency: probably, but still doesn't change the fact that it's more trouble
[10:39] <frequency> yeah
[10:39] <sektor> and lot of stuff is written for windows
[10:39] <jtan325> man, so when i try to play any movie in totem, it just closes by itself
[10:40] <jtan325> but i can hear a little bit of sound
[10:40] <jtan325> and then it just closes
[10:40] <sektor> but tbh i don't know if you can port those programs to linux
[10:40] <AMDXP> jtan325: get the xine plugin
[10:40] <gorehawg> okay
[10:40] <gorehawg> \I am running gnome
[10:40] <gorehawg> I just downloaded a theme
[10:40] <sektor> or do they actually have to be rewritten to run on linux machine?
[10:40] <gorehawg> and extracted it
[10:40] <gorehawg> how to I install the theme with theme manager?
[10:40] <jtan325> AMDXP: ahhh thank you
[10:41] <IIIEars> jtan325 - adding "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary" might work (crosses fingers) it has some pkgs that conflict with ubuntu but it has the right codecs. good idea to remove it after you get them
[10:41] <frequency> sektor: it depends..
[10:41] <jtan325> man there needs to just be one awesome program to play everything
[10:41] <AMDXP> jtan325: i had the same problem and it plays fine now
[10:41] <jtan325> AMDXP: you would think there'd be a dependency or something in synaptic
[10:41] <frequency> sektor: some software can be ported easily, but it generally has to be using cross-platform libraries..
[10:41] <dougsk> IIIEars, there are some confilcts atm with marillat I think restricted formats is a better place to start
[10:41] <sektor> frequency: thought so
[10:41] <frequency> GUIs don't transfer over well..  network system calls are similar but not the same
[10:41] <AMDXP> jtan325: i learned that from reading the forums
[10:42] <sektor> frequency: i'm studying informatics, and usually it's a hassel to write a program that both runs with windows and linux
[10:42] <IIIEars> jtan325 - totem didn't work very well for me either not too sure why. decided onn  "VideoLAN" also called VLC in synaptic. it has a port for windows too.
[10:42] <frequency> there are ways to write software that is 100% compatible with Linux and Windows, but most Windows-software developers don't even look at Linux..
[10:42] <jtan325> IIIEars: yeah i also have VLC
[10:42] <jtan325> i am trying everything
[10:43] <jtan325> AMDXP: did you mean "totem-xine"?
[10:43] <AMDXP> jtan325: yes
[10:43] <sektor> being linux compatible usually isn't a priority
[10:43] <sektor> and with deadlines coming, it's easily forgotten
[10:43] <jtan325> hmm yeah so that doesn't work now
[10:43] <sebastian> sege, Use Python an it'll run fine on both...
[10:43] <jtan325> instead, there's a blue screen on startup that says "no file"
[10:43] <Madpilot> jtan325: I haven't had a prob w/ totem & movies. what file format?
[10:44] <sebastian> * sektor
[10:44] <jtan325> trying mpg, avi....
[10:44] <frequency> sebastian: or Perl or Ruby or Java or ...
[10:44] <AMDXP> jtan325: you already installed it?
[10:44] <IIIEars> jtan325 - i am really new to linux so i addeded nearly everything mentioned here not knowing what would help. ffmpeg is one codec i piled in.
[10:44] <sektor> we dodm
[10:44] <AMDXP> jtan325: i had no problem with mpg
[10:44] <jtan325> yeah me too
[10:44] <sebastian> frequency, Yeah. not much of a hassle imo.
[10:44] <sektor> we didn't get python at school
[10:44] <jtan325> man, i am going to try reinstalling totem then
[10:44] <sektor> but using java will get it done too i believe
[10:44] <sebastian> sektor, Well install it yourself then?
[10:45] <AMDXP> i am so happy to have sound i dont know what to do
[10:45] <sektor> sebastian: i mean, i don't know how to program in python
[10:45] <IIIEars> jtan325 - i also have a copy of DVDCSS if you need it.
[10:45] <jtan325> but also, it seems like you can't have gstreamer-totem and totem-xine the same time
[10:45] <sektor> AMDXP: why not play some music...
[10:45] <jtan325> what is dvdcss?
[10:45] <sektor> :P
[10:45] <Madpilot> I'm off for the night. G'night, all.
[10:45] <Xatu> what FS format you people recommend: ext2, ext3 or reiserfs?
[10:45] <frequency> sebastian: usually, though, most software vendors use C++ or some other natively compiled language for added performance that uses narrow-minded libraries.. :-)
[10:45] <sebastian> sektor, That you'll lear i almost no time. It's a very easy language to learn. (to read it may require some more knowlegde, though not very much)
[10:46] <AMDXP> sektor: ok going to shoutcast now
[10:46] <sektor> sebastion: i'm just too bloody lazy to learn another programming language :P
[10:46] <frequency> Xatu: Reiser, hands down
[10:46] <sektor> lol
[10:47] <AMDXP> now i can spend more time working on my mambo-server
[10:47] <sektor> if i want to be linux compatible, i'll go with java
[10:47] <sektor> java rulz
[10:47] <sebastian> frequency: Well, personally it's almost only Photoshop I miss in Linux, and proper sound drivers of course, but that's hard to do cross plattform.
[10:47] <TheZanke> wtf
[10:47] <Xatu> hmm
[10:47] <TheZanke> i tried to install phpbb and it says
[10:47] <TheZanke> The PHP configuration on your server doesn't support the database type that you chose
[10:47] <sebastian> sektor, If you are lazy, python is way better than java.
[10:47] <TheZanke> i tried mysql4 and 3
[10:47] <Xatu> what's another mirror other than archives.ubuntu.com?
[10:47] <Ycros> python is awesome.
[10:47] <sektor> sebastian: i always thought python was more scripting language than real programming language
[10:48] <frequency> sektor: don't ever say that again ;-)
[10:48] <sektor> lol
[10:48] <sektor> live and learn :)
[10:48] <frequency> sektor: lol Perl, Python, Ruby and even Bash are being used in lots of production systems
[10:48] <sebastian> sektor, Only in terms of performance, but you can optimize it highly by using C if you really want to.
[10:49] <frequency> they are very able programming languages, and can perform any task that can be done in natively compiled languages like C++.
[10:49] <sektor> frequency: we had to write a file sharing system with built-in play capabilities for all sorts of multimedia files
[10:49] <sektor> you're saying that could be done in perl? :p
[10:49] <frequency> sektor: sure can
[10:49] <sektor> cool :)
[10:49] <sebastian> sektor, It could be done, with musch less code, in Python too.
[10:49] <we2by> what's the latest stable Ubuntu Linux?
[10:49] <sebastian> *much
[10:49] <frequency> of course, you'd have to use the libraries for the codecs, which were more than likely written in C, but it can still be done
[10:49] <sektor> well, if you really wanted to, you could probably write it in postscript, but still... :P
[10:50] <sektor> damn, they should teach python at our school than
[10:50] <sebastian> sektor, Well using post script would be hard, using Python (and maybe Ruby, don't know) would be easy.
[10:50] <frequency> sektor: python is one of the strongest of the interpreted languages
[10:51] <frequency> still think Ruby's more fun, though.. :-)
[10:51] <sektor> "interpreted languages"?
[10:51] <sebastian> sektor, They sure should. I'va also noticed that I've got a better thougtht process of programming out of it.
[10:51] <frequency> sektor: they aren't normally compiled to native code like C or C++ is..
[10:51] <sebastian> sektor, Java, Python, Ruby and .NET e.t.c.
[10:52] <sektor> ah :)
[10:52] <frequency> they're run through an interpreter, which compiles them into bytecode and run from there
[10:52] <frequency> not as fast as native code, but it makes it easier to run on multiple platforms
[10:52] <sektor> ah, know what you mean
[10:53] <frequency> for example, you can create a webserver in Python or Ruby and it'll perform on either Unix or Windows equally..
[10:53] <sektor> we only got C, C++ and java
[10:53] <sebastian> Thay are also usually less prone to owerflow bugs and stuff.
[10:53] <sektor> and scheme and prolol, but i don't consider them to be real programming languages :)
[10:53] <frequency> if you write it in C or C++ you have to write code that works differently for specific platforms
[10:53] <frequency> Java's good..
[10:53] <frequency> scheme's excellent..  it's a small LISP dialect..
[10:54] <frequency> it's weird to use at first, especially if you're used to other programming languages, but it's pretty powerful
[10:54] <sektor> scheme's not my cup of tea
[10:54] <frequency> i don't blame you
[10:54] <sektor> :)
[10:54] <jtan325> scheme requires too many parentheses
[10:54] <sektor> hehe yeah :)
[10:55] <jtan325> ok i am building VLC from source... hopefully this works
[10:55] <sektor> we had to make exam on paper
[10:55] <sektor> man i was counting parentheses :p
[10:55] <frequency> ha!
[10:55] <sebastian> *parentheses
[10:55] <frequency> pananthesis sounds like someone stuttering while saying "panties"
[10:55] <sektor> LOL :-D
[10:56] <AMDXP> sektor: can't i just type a command in a Xterm and screenshot?
[10:56] <gorehawg> anyone here download themes for gnome?
[10:56] <AMDXP> and get a screenshot
[10:56] <sektor> uhm
[10:56] <sektor> dunnoi
[10:56] <frequency> haha
[10:56] <sektor> but should be possible
[10:56] <sektor> i'm a linux noob
[10:56] <AMDXP> ok
[10:57] <frequency> if you're using Gnome, PrintScreen key will get you a screenshot
[10:57] <sektor> i prefer windows cuz i'm familiar with it
[10:57] <sektor> but can't call yourself a programmer if you don't know (some) linux
[10:57] <frequency> sure you can..  i know a guy who is strictly a Windows C++ guy..
[10:57] <AMDXP> frequency: i am in xfce4
[10:57] <AMDXP> thanks though
[10:57] <frequency> AMDXP: oh thats right..  umm...
[10:58] <sektor> i know a lot of guys who work strictly with windows
[10:58] <IIIEars> gorehawg - yes - and fought with it too. - then i realized most can be dragged and dropped to the themes window in gnome. (it evens says you can do that in the window. - Doh! lol)
[10:58] <sektor> but it's so narrow minded
[10:58] <frequency> AMDXP: eh, try the PrintScrn key anyway, see if it works :-)
[10:58] <sektor> lol
[10:58] <sektor> trying stuff usually gets you somewhere
[10:58] <gorehawg> huh?
[10:58] <sektor> not always where you'd like to be though
[10:58] <frequency> sektor: it sure is, but that's where the majority of the desktop market is
[10:59] <gorehawg> I try
[10:59] <IIIEars> gorehawg - have you seen the "gnomelook" web site?
[10:59] <gorehawg> and it says invalid file format
[10:59] <sektor> frequency: i don't like majorities :)
[10:59] <frequency> hehe
[10:59] <gorehawg> yeah I am there right now
[10:59] <sektor> btw, anyone know a good latex editor?
[10:59] <sektor> i've only found tetex or something
[10:59] <frequency> hehe no, but i know some good latex products..
[11:00] <IIIEars> gorehawg - yes it's frustrating not all of the themes are compliant.
[11:00] <gorehawg> any ideas?
[11:00] <sektor> hmm, you sure we're talking about the same latex? :P
[11:00] <IIIEars> gorehawg - no sorry...
[11:00] <xophEr> AMDXP, import -windows root picture.png
[11:00] <frequency> lol actually, i'm sure we're not.. ;-)
[11:00] <xophEr> -window
[11:00] <sektor> moeaha :p
[11:00] <xophEr> had been reading too much windows here :D
[11:01] <foxiness> i'm on live-cd now , i'm try to install clearlook.package and its now ask me about password !
[11:01] <sektor> hehe
[11:01] <sektor> ubuntu works well with windows though
[11:01] <sektor> i have windows network, and i can access files on my windows pc
[11:01] <sektor> was a nice surprise
[11:01] <sektor> didn't expect it to work
[11:01] <AMDXP> bash: import: command not found
[11:01] <frequency> did you do that on purpose?
[11:02] <xophEr> apt-get install import :)
[11:02] <frequency> or did you just happen to check it out and find Windows machines?
[11:02] <foxiness> is the livecd have password ?
[11:02] <sektor> i was trying out stuff
[11:02] <sektor> to see what ubuntu provided
[11:02] <frequency> ahh, okay
[11:02] <sektor> and came across "network servers"
[11:03] <sektor> so thought it might work
[11:03] <sektor> didn't expect it though :)
[11:03] <frequency> hmm... when my roommate gets back, i'll have to see if it works for me, as well..
[11:03] <xophEr> yeah, if I lock the screen on ubuntu live-cd it asks for a password, what is it? :)
[11:03] <sektor> i'm also sharing internet connection through windows pc
[11:03] <AMDXP> eno: Couldn't find package import
[11:03] <frequency> sharing _with_ a windows PC?
[11:04] <AMDXP> frequency: i almost did that with a dialup connection with my XP box
[11:04] <sektor> the windows PC is the one hooked up to the internet
[11:04] <xophEr> AMDXP, got all the repositories included int your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[11:04] <sektor> and this one is only connected to the windows pc
[11:04] <frequency> ahh
[11:04] <AMDXP> xophEr: i never changed it
[11:04] <AMDXP> i better do that
[11:04] <sektor> the other way around would be more challenging i believe
[11:05] <thespiritoftal> hi
[11:05] <sektor> hey
[11:05] <sly_> sektor similer setup and yes was challenging
[11:05] <sly_> but worth it
[11:05] <Evans> hello
[11:05] <Evans> all
[11:06] <frequency> it's 3am here...  i need to get to bed..
[11:06] <sektor> did have to set up DHCP relay agent and shit?
[11:06] <sly_> theres my old P3 800 in my cellar dishing internet to the entire house =\
[11:06] <sektor> lol
[11:06] <sektor> yes you do :P
[11:06] <Evans> its 10.00 AM
[11:06] <sektor> it's 11 am here
[11:06] <sektor> too bloody hot to sleep
[11:06] <frequency> hehe
[11:06] <xophEr> Could someone explain how the 'universe' and 'multiverse' repositories differ from each other?
[11:06] <Evans> so hello all and good morning
[11:07] <Evans> :P
[11:07] <frequency> hehe
[11:07] <sektor> haha
[11:07] <sektor> not-so-good morning
[11:07] <Evans> lol...
[11:07] <sektor> been drinking too much last few days :p
[11:07] <Evans> lol...
[11:07] <Seveas> xophEr, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[11:07] <Evans> well dose anyone know how to setup a Sagem Fast
[11:07] <Evans> modem...
[11:07] <xophEr> Ill check that out
[11:07] <frequency> xophEr: universe is nonfree but ubuntu still maintains it..  multiverse is nonfree and not maintained by Ubuntu
[11:07] <Evans> i think though it is my USB controler
[11:07] <frequency> ... i think
[11:08] <sly_> that wouldnt be a tiscali modem by any chance Evans ?
[11:08] <thespiritoftal> I cant play mp3 files with music player... it says the right plugin is not installed what should i do?
[11:08] <Evans> yes Sly
[11:08] <Evans> it is
[11:08] <sektor> install the plugin :p
[11:08] <Seveas> thespiritoftal: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[11:08] <sly_> im not sure but i heard
[11:08] <Seveas> (in short: aptitude install gstreamer0.8-mad)
[11:08] <sly_> that you could use the BT Voyager 100 modem drivers for linux to get that modem to work
[11:08] <frequency> ok, bedtime..  g'nite all
[11:08] <thespiritoftal> thx seveas
[11:08] <sektor> c u
[11:08] <Evans> realy...
[11:08] <Evans> cya
[11:09] <Evans> hummmm....
[11:09] <thespiritoftal> oh god how do you change your password in irc?
[11:09] <Evans> i got loads of eagle drivers here... asked from help from 3 people
[11:09] <Evans> ...
[11:09] <Evans> and stilll dosent work :(
[11:09] <Seveas> thespiritoftal, you mean your nickserv password?
[11:09] <thespiritoftal> yeah
[11:10] <Seveas>  /ns set password your_new_password
[11:10] <thespiritoftal> thx
[11:10] <Evans> Seveas hello
[11:10] <Evans> ...
[11:10] <Seveas> Hi Evans
[11:10] <Evans> i still didnt get that blasted modem to work
[11:10] <Evans> :(
[11:11] <sly_> should have ticked * dont send me a freakin modem , when signing upto tiscali
[11:11] <Evans> sly_ what would i have used then though...
[11:11] <sly_> your own =\
[11:12] <sly_> most adsl modems white box from maplins provide linux drivers
[11:12] <Evans> i was gonna rob my mates AOL modem today
[11:12] <sly_> 1 port routers you can get for like 35/40 =\
[11:12] <Evans> i think its a BT Voyager
[11:12] <sly_> the AOL modem is a cop of
[11:12] <sly_> the BT Voyager 100
[11:12] <Evans> i think so
[11:12] <sly_> just has a AOL sticker on it
[11:12] <sly_> grab that modem and.............
[11:13] <IceDC571> why does someone have an AOL modem in the first place?
[11:13] <linuxboy> Seveas: what do you mean? ADSL modems (need* to do routing
[11:13] <sly_> http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/modems.php?modem=48
[11:13] <Evans> my m8s with another ISP and never sent AOL back there modem
[11:13] <sly_> the modem will look identical to that but has a see thru AOL sticker on it
[11:13] <sly_> correct if not will be the BT Voyager not Voyager 100
[11:14] <sly_> but both have *nix drivers working for them
[11:14] <Seveas> linuxboy, I mean that I don't need to use pppoe, but simply get a fixed IP from that modem
[11:14] <Evans> it looks like that
[11:14] <sly_> :)
[11:14] <sly_> thought it would :) , go get it and get the drivers
[11:14] <linuxboy> Seveas: most adsl modems do pppoe for you...
[11:14] <Evans> alright then
[11:14] <Evans> ...
[11:14] <sly_> follow the instructions on the page worked for my BT Voyager a couple years ago
[11:15] <Evans> Sly_ may i ask though i think its my USB controller
[11:15] <Seveas> linuxboy, not quite...
[11:15] <sly_> thats causing it not to work ?
[11:15] <Evans> because all the Drivers installed... Succesfully
[11:15] <sly_> of your usb in linux  not working ?
[11:15] <Evans> my USB in win32 work
[11:15] <linuxboy> Seveas: *all* the adsl modems I've seen can do pppoe...
[11:15] <Evans> in UNIX no
[11:15] <sly_> nothing at all connected to your usb works ?
[11:16] <Evans> nope... the Powerbutton
[11:16] <sly_> hounestly if i wa syou i fork out for a 1port router ,. will say you alot of hassle
[11:16] <Evans> will light up
[11:16] <sly_> save*
[11:16] <Evans> but it says... then modem not connected
[11:16] <Evans> ...
[11:17] <sly_> i only ever used a modem under linux for about a month........ all i can remember doing is following them instruction that having to type sumit daft like
[11:17] <Evans> !seen JaM
[11:17] <ubotu> Evans: i haven't seen 'jam'
[11:17] <sly_> start modem pid=xxx sid=xxx or som bo***x
[11:17] <littlefae> Simple question for you all, is there an easy way to choose which window manager I wish to use?
[11:17] <sly_> prolly made that auto by now
[11:17] <Evans> sly_ wat dose that mean?
[11:18] <Evans> is Suse better
[11:18] <Seveas> littlefae, sure :)
[11:18] <Evans> ??
[11:18] <sly_> when using the drivers from the site you had to start the modem manualy all the time for your specific modem * but that will have changed was good 2years ago
[11:18] <littlefae> I didn't see a dialog for choosing. :P
[11:18] <Seveas> littlefae, install the one you like and choose it from the login screen
[11:18] <Seveas> the 'session' button
[11:18] <AMDXP> Evans: have you tried SuSE before?
[11:18] <littlefae> Ahh
[11:18] <Evans> no
[11:18] <littlefae> It isn't listed. :(
[11:18] <Evans> i just went into...
[11:18] <Evans> Ubuntu
[11:19] <djp> does anyone know if the lynx browser is installed by default in ubuntu hoary?
[11:19] <Seveas> littlefae, then you need to install it ;)
[11:19] <sly_> suse.......... id say was a while back the only distro that detected all my hardware
[11:19] <sly_> but no almost every1 i have tryed does
[11:19] <AMDXP> Evans: it has its advantages and disadvantages
[11:19] <littlefae> I did
[11:19] <Seveas> which one do you want to use?
[11:19] <littlefae> enlightenment
[11:19] <AMDXP> I switched from SuSE to Ubuntu
[11:19] <Evans> whats
[11:19] <Evans> the adv/dis
[11:19] <AMDXP> 9.2 Pro
[11:20] <Evans> dose suse support ADSL
[11:20] <djp> Evans : yes
[11:20] <Evans> Sagem F@st 800
[11:20] <AMDXP> Evans Ubuntu detected all my hardware on my Micron Transport Laptop SuSe couldnt do that
[11:21] <AMDXP> this lappy is old 233Mhz
[11:21] <Evans> AMD dose it detect Sagem
[11:21] <Evans> 800
[11:21] <AMDXP> Evans: dont know never used it
[11:22] <djp> best distros for detection that i have used have been Ubuntu, SUSE and FC3... and possibly in that order, from 1 to 3
[11:22] <linuxboy> anyone know how I can talk to my nokia phone via irda in ubuntu?
[11:22] <Evans> i know commmands for Ubuntu
[11:22] <AMDXP> djp: i would agree based on the times i have used them
[11:22] <Evans> dpkg -i : Installs
[11:22] <Evans> sudo startadsl
[11:22] <Evans> sudo stopadsl
[11:23] <sly_> dont think ive ever used dpkg ...... i think i have only have done apt.. does that make me bad ?
[11:23] <sly_> or just lazy
[11:23] <Evans> lol..
[11:23] <AMDXP> sly_: lol no
[11:23] <IceDC571> sly_: it makes you an intel user
[11:24] <Evans> where can i get a cheap ADSL intenernal modem from in UK
[11:24] <sly_> why go off to download a deb file when i could just apt ................. dont seem logical if you aint botherd about newest version
[11:24] <sly_> ebuyer.co.uk
[11:24] <Evans> ebuyer
[11:24] <Evans> tried it
[11:24] <Evans> ...
[11:24] <foxiness> autopackage on ubuntu ask me more and more about password
[11:24] <Evans> www.eclipsecomputers.com
[11:24] <sly_> get yourself a damn router, be just as cheap
[11:24] <Evans> whats a router do though
[11:25] <sly_> sits between you and your internet connection... you connect to it via nic .. basiclay in your terms
[11:25] <sly_> you wont need a driver just a nic
[11:25] <Evans> nic ?
[11:25] <sly_> network card
[11:26] <Evans> oh i gotta nnetowrk card
[11:26] <sly_> find yaself a nice little 1 port adsl router and plug it in
[11:26] <sly_> away you go
[11:26] <IceDC571> i got a 14.4kbps dial up modem
[11:26] <Evans> shall i get a laptop and install Ubuntu on it
[11:27] <IceDC571> i'm dead.. dont talk to me
[11:29] <sly_> lmao
[11:29] <Sly> Evans check the maplins website for prices
[11:29] <Sly> will be pretty steap tho
[11:30] <Evans> ok
[11:31] <Sly> cheapest thing i ever say from there was a wireless keyboard/mouse set for about 15.99 with recharagble batteries
[11:31] <Evans> lol...
[11:31] <Pr0v4> torno tra poco!!!
[11:32] <Evans> sly i might open up device man in win
[11:32] <Evans> and
[11:32] <Evans> download all drivers
[11:33] <IceDC571> yeah it takes me the whole day to update my apt package list on my modem
[11:33] <Sly> for ubuntu i gues syour taliking......................... i cant see all your stuff not been detected in ubuntu
[11:33] <IceDC571> i might be done downloading firefox next month
[11:33] <holycow> okay, does anyone know which packages i need to be able to build debian packages?
[11:34] <Evans> i just dont get it though My Sagem momdem
[11:34] <Evans> wont work with it
[11:34] <Evans> ...
[11:34] <Evans> i read forums... similar problems
[11:34] <Evans> folllowed there hints and still no
[11:35] <IceDC571> holycow: dpkg-dev pretty much
[11:35] <Sly> i guess i was lucky when i was win and switching cos i had a viyager which i got working more or less instantly
[11:35] <holycow> IceDC571, cool
[11:35] <holycow> thx
[11:35] <IceDC571> holycow: i thought you knew more than me?
[11:35] <Evans> sly... well i just rung my m8 he still in bed
[11:36] <Evans> so i go down there once hes awake
[11:36] <holycow> i do, it's been a long time since i've built a package tho
[11:36] <holycow> :)
[11:36] <holycow> lol
[11:36] <Evans> and get ift off him...
[11:36] <Sly> where ya from evans ?
[11:36] <Evans> England
[11:36] <Evans> bout u
[11:36] <Evans> ?
[11:37] <Sly> hehe i gatherd you was from england being tiscali and having that modem................................. and your friend still been asleep at 10:38am i should be in bed too
[11:37] <Sly> i was asking which part * shefffield here *
[11:37] <Evans> lol..
[11:37] <Evans> west midlands
[11:37] <thespiritoftal> friends I have a *.bin file on my desktop how can i open it?
[11:38] <Evans> ubuntu isnt as freindy as windows though i would say...
[11:38] <IceDC571> thespiritoftal: go to them terminal and type ./filename.bin
[11:38] <Sly> ./~/Desktop/***.bin
[11:38] <lsuactiafner> thespiritoftal : its a binary?
[11:38] <lsuactiafner> sh file.bin
[11:38] <Sly> i dont think any linux dstro is as easy as windows ???
[11:38] <lsuactiafner> Sly : depends on what you are used to
[11:38] <Evans> i really want ubuntu to work though on the interntet.
[11:39] <IceDC571> linspire might be as boring as windows
[11:39] <lsuactiafner> i'm used to linux and when i run a windows box i lose my mind
[11:39] <IceDC571> so yeah.. it could be as easy to point and click
[11:39] <Evans> anyone play this online gameE: www.spacetrace.org
[11:39] <lsuactiafner> for me linux is much easier than windows
[11:39] <Sly> there was apoint i was swicthing................ and kept going back
[11:39] <Sly> useual format windows format linux for a couple month
[11:39] <lsuactiafner> just depends on what you are used to
[11:39] <djp> Evans: in what way is ubuntu "isn't as friendly as windows"?
[11:39] <Sly> the happily dual booting then slowly using windows less untill bout 4/5 month ago i just wiped windows for the extra space
[11:40] <IceDC571> i realized whenever i went back to windows, i was always tempted to download a bunch of illegal software.. so then i switched to linux permanently
[11:40] <Evans> djp: well i put the tiscali disk in on windows
[11:40] <Evans> it wors
[11:40] <Evans> linux no.
[11:40] <Proteque> I never dual booted.
[11:40] <Sly> Evans thats because its designed to run under windows fine...........
[11:40] <Evans> Ice: i hace same problem
[11:40] <Sly> im also pretty sure all major isp's here certainly do NOT provide drivers
[11:40] <IceDC571> ack.. not illegal software but download full versions, keygens and such
[11:41] <Proteque> I changed from Amiga in 1998 to Linux. and then to OSX in 2003. and now I am using Linux on my laptop. Never used windows though.
[11:41] <Evans> ice yes...
[11:41] <djp> Evans: i don't need to use anything with ubuntu. it just configures everything by default. absolutely no hassle. you r using adsl right?
[11:41] <Evans> yes
[11:42] <djp> Evans: what setup do you have? i have an ethernet/ADSL modem setup. works "out of the box" so to speak! ;)
[11:42] <Sly> he has a usb/winmodem setup
[11:43] <Evans> yea
[11:43] <Evans> :
[11:43] <thespiritoftal> I went to the /Desktop and then typed the ***.bin it says command not found
[11:43] <djp> Sly: ahh, i see
[11:43] <thespiritoftal> I think I should open it with another command
[11:44] <Sly> not good setup i guess =\
[11:44] <thespiritoftal> anyone knows how?
[11:45] <thespiritoftal> :/
[11:45] <Sly> did you use sh **.bin or ./**.bin
[11:45] <IceDC571> i'm using foobar2000 as my default audio player in linux.. lol
[11:46] <Seveas> thespiritoftal, what are you trying to install..?
[11:46] <thespiritoftal> java
[11:46] <Seveas> do NOT run that .bin directly...
[11:47] <Seveas> thespiritoftal: To install java on Ubuntu: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, sudo aptitude install fakeroot java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , sudo dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[11:47] <thespiritoftal> okie tryin that now
[11:48] <Evans> is there anyway i can have Ubuntu and Windows on same drive
[11:48] <Evans> ?
[11:48] <Evans> its a 13gig one
[11:49] <lsuactiafner> Evans : in thoery but its always very ugly
[11:49] <Seveas> Evans, sure, but not on the same partition...
[11:49] <Evans> why
[11:49] <Evans> how do you partion
[11:49] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, it's not ugly at all...
[11:49] <Evans> i know about Pmagic
[11:50] <Evans> but i wanna do it from the Win Xp cd
[11:50] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : yeh if you partition its not
[11:50] <lsuactiafner> but i dont think it wants to partition
[11:50] <Seveas> Evans, the Ubuntu installer can do that for you or PQmagic, the windows installer can not
[11:50] <Evans> oh
[11:50] <Evans> ....
[11:50] <n3t0> how i can install kde on ubuntu
[11:50] <Evans> i gotit instlled on to sepertate HDs ww
[11:50] <Evans> ..
[11:51] <Evans> see
[11:51] <Evans> i mena
[11:51] <Evans> ...
[11:51] <Evans> i have ot keep swaping em round
[11:51] <lsuactiafner> lol
[11:51] <Sly> unpartical .... BUT why fix somthing that isnt broken
[11:52] <Evans> i dont knw
[11:52] <lsuactiafner> i think such a setup is unpractical therefore brokne
[11:52] <Seveas> n3t0, aptitude instll kubuntu-desktop
[11:53] <thespiritoftal> hmm that didnt work
[11:53] <thespiritoftal> I think I do smth wrong
[11:53] <Seveas> what's the error thespiritoftal ?
[11:53] <n3t0> Seveas, thanks
[11:53] <thespiritoftal> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "java-package"
[11:54] <Evans> is there away where i can set the drive where the modem us
[11:54] <Evans> like to say USB
[11:54] <Seveas> thespiritoftal, you need to enable multiverse
[11:54] <thespiritoftal> how?
[11:54] <Seveas> thespiritoftal: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:54] <Seveas> thespiritoftal: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:57] <Albaraha> what does universe/restricted means?
[11:57] <Albaraha> That's in apt source
[11:58] <Seveas> Albaraha, that's the section of the repository where the package is in
[11:58] <Albaraha> yeah, but what do those sections mean?
[11:59] <Seveas> Albaraha, http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[12:02] <gorilla_> thanks Seveas, I wasn't clear on that myself :-)
[12:13] <larsrohdin> Hi im using the fglrx, and i want to configure my Tv-out as extended desktop, how can i do that? My tv-out is currently working but in clone mode
[12:14] <schasi> Perhaps it can only do so?
[12:14] <norrit> I have a pretty simple question, heh
[12:14] <norrit> I'm wondering what the process is for installing drivers?  I have an nvidia card, and need to do a driver for it =/
[12:15] <Seveas> norrit: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:15] <sarmiento> how i send the sound to a esd daemon?
[12:15] <norrit> thanks!
[12:15] <Seveas> sarmiento, esdplay [filename] 
[12:16] <Seveas> (package esound-clients)
[12:16] <sarmiento> a program ask me for device
[12:16] <iapx8088> anyone any problems with network profile manager?
[12:16] <Seveas> sarmiento, which one?
[12:16] <sarmiento> I need change this /dev/dsp
[12:17] <iapx8088> to it's a pain in the %%%, keeps going bad, but maybe it's me that screw it.
[12:17] <sarmiento> for use dsp
[12:17] <Seveas> sarmiento, in which program..?
[12:17] <sarmiento> vmware
[12:17] <Seveas> vmware cannot use esd afaik
[12:17] <sarmiento> so what i do?
[12:17] <iapx8088> he could use a wrapper
[12:17] <iapx8088> like skype
[12:18] <iapx8088> esddsp i believe?
[12:18] <Seveas> hmm
[12:18] <iapx8088> could that work?
[12:18] <Evans> anyone good with symbols here on PCI
[12:18] <Evans> cards
[12:19] <Seveas> You can try starting vmware with: esddsp vmware
[12:19] <iapx8088> esddsp ./skype
[12:19] <iapx8088> Be sure to run esd daemon using "esd -d /dev/dsp" because on....
[12:19] <petya> hi
[12:19] <petya> i am using hoary with kde
[12:20] <petya> kubuntu
[12:20] <petya> i have problems with hungarian accented characters and qt
[12:20] <petya> instead of  and  it just types a brick
[12:20] <iapx8088> petya, I believe you should /j #kubuntu
[12:20] <petya> when i copy and paste it to a gtk application, it's ok
[12:20] <petya> th
[12:20] <petya> x
[12:23] <Peps> Hi! does anyone tell me whats up with xgamma? I have ubuntu on a desktop with a no-name CRT and on a LCD laptop - on both xgamma does absolutly nothing?
[12:24] <Peps> I want to change my gamma, of course
[12:25] <HappyFool> Peps: hrm. all i can say is that it works here. "xgamma -gamma 0.5" -- ugly!
[12:25] <Peps> does not work for me - what can I do?
[12:25] <HappyFool> Peps: does 'tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log' have any error/warning messages?
[12:26] <HappyFool> Peps: otherwise, i'm not sure. I'd never even heard of xgamma before this
[12:26] <Peps> and if I don't have nvidia?
[12:26] <sektor> hey
[12:26] <HappyFool> Peps: 'man xgamma' refers to the XFree86-VidModeExtension -- I don't know if that is significant
[12:26] <norrit> thanks very much for the help, hope that fixes my problem =)
[12:27] <sektor> anyone know how to access network places via terminal?
[12:27] <Peps> it is supported - i checked (XFree86-VidModeExtension )
[12:27] <PeacemakerHerbi> hi, short question... is there a file like /ect/sysconfig/kernel in ubuntu? i try to fix my ACPI by adding the line ACPI_DSDT="mydsdt.aml" as i did it long time ago in Suse... thanks
[12:27] <HappyFool> Peps: in /var/log/Xorg.0.log I have a line '(II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension' -- do you have that?
[12:27] <HappyFool> sektor: you mean a windows share ?
[12:28] <sektor> yeah
[12:28] <HappyFool> sektor: you can use smbclient; you can also 'mount' a windows share
[12:28] <Peps> yes '(II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension'
[12:28] <sektor> Happyfool: do you happen to know what i want to mount then?
[12:28] <Peps> how can I tell which driver I am using?
[12:29] <HappyFool> PeacemakerHerbi: i'm not sure what you want -- is that a kernel parameter? If so, look in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:29] <DaemonTW> anyone had success setting up a bluetooth headset?
[12:29] <Peps> my X config says Section "Monitor"
[12:29] <Peps> 	Identifier	"Generic Monitor"
[12:29] <Peps> 	Option		"DPMS"
[12:29] <Peps> EndSection
[12:30] <HappyFool> Peps: look for the 'device' section in that file
[12:30] <PeacemakerHerbi> no its a file, i simply added the part to my fixed dsdt.aml file and type mkinitrd -> reboot -> worked
[12:30] <jesus> hey i have a computer running kubuntu and it has 3 hard drives but says it cant find them in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab when i try to mount the others
[12:30] <Peps> Section "Device"
[12:30] <Peps> 	Identifier	"S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266] "
[12:30] <Peps> 	Driver		"savage"
[12:30] <Peps> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[12:30] <sektor> HappyFool: do you know what i have to mount?
[12:30] <Peps> EndSection
[12:31] <HappyFool> sektor: it's something like 'mount -t smbfs //computername/sharename /path/to/mount/point'
[12:31] <Peps> thats the display device, not the monitor??
[12:31] <sektor> HappyFool: tnx, but what does the smbfs stand for? :)
[12:31] <highvoltage> smbfs: session multiblocking file system
[12:32] <HappyFool> sektor: see here for more: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba
[12:32] <Seveas> sektor, for easy use of windows shares, use the places -> connect to server menu
[12:33] <Peps> xgamma used to work under redhat8 and another monitor :(
[12:33] <sektor> HappyFool: tnx
[12:33] <HappyFool> PeacemakerHerbi: sorry, i don't see any .aml files on my system, and I don't have acpi problems
[12:33] <holycow> what is the gtk+ package called in ubuntu? libgtkmm?
[12:34] <Peps> am I the only one with a non working xgamma? can others try it out and tell me?
[12:34] <HappyFool> Peps: sorry, I'm not sure what the problem is. Maybe google for 'xgamma' and 'S3 Savage'
[12:34] <HappyFool> Peps: as i said, xgamma works here; i have an nvidia card and am using the closed-source driver
[12:35] <Seveas> holycow, apt-cache search libgtk ;)
[12:35] <sektor> anyone know how to set the default mail application to thunderbird?
[12:35] <Peps> HappyFool: I am sure it is not the driver - it worked with same driver under RedHat8 and another monitor
[12:35] <holycow> Seveas, thats not the question i asked
[12:35] <holycow> please read :)
[12:35] <HappyFool> Peps: do you get an error message when you run it, or does nothing at all happen
[12:35] <Peps> I mean with a savage dirver and same hardware
[12:35] <Seveas> holycow, but it does give you the information you want...
[12:36] <holycow> not really
[12:36] <Peps> no error message - nothing happens
[12:36] <holycow> it gives me a set of options
[12:36] <jesus> hey i have a computer running kubuntu and it has 3 hard drives but says it cant find them in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab when i try to mount the others
[12:36] <holycow> i'm trying to figure out what exactly this compiler is asking for
[12:36] <Peps> and on both a laptop and a desktop
[12:36] <Seveas> and be warned: GTK+ can mean both GTK1.x and GTK2.x
[12:36] <Seveas> holycow, what are you compiling..?
[12:36] <holycow> tiny-fu for gimp actually
[12:36] <Peps> but by coinecedence they are both Savage, I thing
[12:37] <jtan325> jesus, you need to make the directories
[12:37] <holycow> checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.4.4... no  <-- thats the error message i get
[12:37] <Seveas> ah :)
[12:37] <holycow> libgtkmm is at 2.4-1
[12:37] <IIIEars> Peps - this machine uses the savage driver - is there a file you would like to see?
[12:37] <jtan325> jesus, do something like "sudo mkdir /mnt/(name of folder you want to mount drive to)"
[12:37] <Seveas> libgtkmm-2.4-dev
[12:37] <holycow> oh -dev!
[12:37] <holycow> aha!
[12:37] <Seveas> always -dev if you face compiler errors :)
[12:37] <Peps> just try 'xgamma -gamma 2' from the command line ...
[12:37] <holycow> Seveas, oh thats great info, i appreciate that :)
[12:38] <holycow> okay noted
[12:38] <Seveas> the -dev packages contain the headers of the libraries
[12:38] <holycow> aha, i thought they were for something else
[12:38] <holycow> makes sense
[12:39] <Peps> IIIEars: just try 'xgamma -gamma 2' from the command line ...
[12:39] <Madeye> hey, what do you think guys, which domain looks better arabuntu.org or ubuntu-ar.org ?
[12:39] <Peps> IIIEars: and tell me if your display changes at all
[12:39] <Madeye> hello ?
[12:39] <holycow> Madeye, arabuntu just sounds weird in english
[12:39] <holycow> :)
[12:40] <Seveas> ubuntu-ar.org is the preferred way
[12:40] <HappyFool> Madeye: the latter is more obviously ubuntu related
[12:40] <Madeye> holly cow!
[12:40] <holycow> ubuntu-as is probably closer as other groups are using -ca -fr, etc
[12:40] <holycow> -ar even
[12:40] <jesus> ok i made the directories
[12:40] <Seveas> The ubuntu-ar.org has been claimed by canonical already, especally for this use
[12:40] <Seveas> like every other country code
[12:40] <Madeye> Seveas,  oohhh shit
[12:41] <jesus> crap
[12:41] <IIIEars> hm - i didn't notice any change. xterm says the values in the first line for colors are red green blue 1.000 and in the second line red green blue 2.000
[12:41] <Seveas> hmm, ubuntu-ar.org is in use by someone else...
[12:41] <sektor> HappyFool: is there an easy way to check if smbfs is installed?
[12:41] <Peps> IIIEars: so it does not work for you too, I think
[12:41] <HappyFool> sektor: dpkg -l smbfs
[12:41] <sektor> nice, tnx
[12:41] <IIIEars> Peps - should i try 50? - ;)
[12:41] <Peps> Anyone else with a Savage display driver?
[12:42] <HappyFool> if 'ii' it's installed, if 'un' (or anything else) it's probably not.
[12:42] <Peps> IIIEars: yep
[12:42] <Seveas> Madeye, if you want control over ubuntu-ar.org, please contact smurfix
[12:42] <Madeye> Seveas,  do you think they can allow us to use it if we want to work on it ?
[12:42] <Seveas> Yes, they will
[12:42] <Madeye> Seveas,  yeah cool
[12:42] <Peps> IIIEars: max is 10
[12:43] <IIIEars> Peps - 9 and no change     should i try 50?- ;)
[12:43] <Seveas> Madeye, you can possibly even get an account on a server for your website
[12:43] <Peps> IIIEars: max is 10 - pretty sure it does not work for you too
[12:43] <Peps> Anyone else with a Savage display driver?
[12:43] <Madeye> Seveas,  I have my own dedicated, I just want them to point the ns to me.
[12:44] <Seveas> Madeye, setup your aoache to accept that domain name before contacting smurfix
[12:44] <Evans> Peps: try www.ubuntuforums.org
[12:44] <Seveas> he's really fast with doing these things :)
[12:44] <Madeye> aoache?
[12:44] <Seveas> If you want, he can set MX records too
[12:44] <Seveas> apache*
[12:44] <Seveas> or other web server :
[12:44] <Seveas> :)
[12:45] <Madeye> Seveas,  k count to 10
[12:45] <netdur> Seveas, thanks for help
[12:46] <TPC> hello
[12:46] <Madeye> Seveas,  done
[12:46] <TPC> I can't get my palm to sync with gnome-pilot
[12:46] <TPC> what could be wrong?
[12:46] <TPC> its not that its not compatible with linux or gnome-pilot, because I had it syncing a few months ago
[12:47] <TPC> and if I check dmesg it detects the palm just fine and loads the right module
[12:48] <Peps> Anyone else with a Savage display driver?  (grep Savage /etc/X11/xorg.conf)
[12:48] <thepages3> hi
[12:49] <H0lyD4wg> how'd you deal with sadistically-named files (e.g. "- .-.-. ???.rar") from the CLI ?
[12:49] <IIIEars> Peps - nice tip on gamma. thx  (it works with nvidia)
[12:49] <TPC> H0lyD4wg, use tab completion on them
[12:49] <TPC> H0lyD4wg, or put the name in quotes
[12:49] <Peps> IIIEars: what do you mean?
[12:49] <thepages3> im trying to setup a gateway router on ubuntu but I cant ping local network and modem with both eth's enabled
[12:50] <thepages3> nayone know why
[12:50] <Seveas> H0lyD4wg, if the name starts with a - put -- infromt of it
[12:50] <Peps> IIIEars: what do you mean?
[12:50] <IIIEars> I have two machines
[12:50] <Seveas> like: cp -- -stupid.rar foo.rar
[12:50] <Peps> IIIEars: did you get it to work? how?
[12:50] <H0lyD4wg> Seveas, thanks, that's what i wanted to know.
[12:51] <IIIEars> Peps - With the other machine. dunno why it doesn't work with a savage card
[12:51] <Evans> bbl guys
[12:52] <IIIEars> Peps - Looks like newegg is our next stop. :/
[12:52] <TPC> thepages3, post the output of ifconfig -a and route to some paste bot
[12:52] <thepages3> ok
[12:53] <HappyFool> Peps: did you try numbers less than 1? Is is possibly maxed out already?
[12:53] <thepages3> sorry paste bot TPC?
[12:54] <TPC> thepages3, use the thing in the topic
[12:55] <thepages3> ah ok
[12:56] <drx> Hi, Im trying to setup autoconf with a opengl project i have, I found a nice macro in autoconf-archive that i want to use " mdl_have_opengl" I installed the autoconf-archive package but when i run my configure script i get "MDL_HAVE_OPENGL: command not found" i run aclocal before autoconf but aclocal doesn't find the autoconf-archive macros, how can i add them to the path aclocal searches in ?
[12:57] <krolden> Can anyone explain me how to get root if the basic install works with sudo and they never asked me for a root passwd during the install?
[12:57] <AMDXP> hopefully my connection will stay this time
[12:57] <Seveas> krolden: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[12:57] <HappyFool> krolden: use your user password with sudo
[12:58] <krolden> thx
[12:58] <IIIEars> HappyFool - no change - nice try....
[12:58] <HappyFool> IIIEars: ah well.
[01:00] <IIIEars> lol - i read the driver developer complaining about how difficult the savage card is. - takes a -really- bad card to make a linux dev whine. - lol
[01:00] <Peps> HappyFool: I tried all numbers
[01:00] <edu__a> help
[01:01] <Peps> IIIEars: newegg? what is that?
[01:01] <IIIEars> there are two cards with the same name and two rev for this card.  newegg.com is a tech shoppers paradise
[01:02] <Peps> somehow I don't think it is the savage driver - xgamma worked on redhat8 on a (possibly) older savage driver
[01:03] <Madeye> Seveas,  do you know smurfix email ?
[01:03] <Seveas> Madeye, smurf@smurf.norix.de
[01:03] <Seveas> hmm ouch, that should have been a private msg...
[01:04] <Peps> cat it be something with X.org?
[01:04] <Seveas> fortunately there is a typo in that :0
[01:04] <HappyFool> Peps: have you asked on #xorg ?
[01:05] <Peps> no - here on same server?
[01:05] <sektor> hey
[01:05] <HappyFool> yip
[01:06] <sektor> anyone know how to change the default mail application?
[01:07] <Seveas> sektor, system->prefs->preferred apps
[01:07] <sektor> Seveas: tnx, can't believe i looked over that :-s
[01:08] <Heimdall> hello all
[01:08] <HappyFool> hello Heimdall
[01:09] <thepages3> TPC is this correct? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/380
[01:09] <Madeye> any forex trade applications for linux ?
[01:09] <Heimdall> HappyFool, 2Mb/s !!!!!!
[01:10] <IIIEars> sourceforge should be loaded with 'em thick as ticks on a hound
[01:10] <Heimdall> HappyFool, and internet on my ubuntu !!!
[01:10] <HappyFool> Heimdall: i am green with envy ;)
[01:10] <HappyFool> Heimdall: excellent. was it easy to setup?
[01:10] <Heimdall> HappyFool, just to plug it ! it is an ethernet connection
[01:10] <TPC> thepages3, you want both interfaces to be on 192.168.0.x?
[01:11] <HappyFool> Heimdall: ah, ok
[01:11] <IIIEars> Madeye - you aren't really going to try 'en beat them fancy floor traders are ya son?
[01:11] <Heimdall> HappyFool,  15 days and I have 8Mb ! ;)
[01:11] <Seveas>  /kick Heimdall
[01:11] <Seveas> :p
[01:11] <thepages3> I didnt know what I should make the nic connected to the modem to be but yes I run the 192.168.0.x for local
[01:11] <Heimdall> HappyFool, at lasat end of middel age
[01:12] <HappyFool> Heimdall: grr
[01:12] <Heimdall> last*
[01:12] <Heimdall> lol
[01:12] <HappyFool> heh
[01:12] <jesus> hey i have a computer running kubuntu and it has 3 hard drives but says it cant find them in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab when i try to mount the others
[01:12] <Heimdall> well I'm away for a little while, lunch time here :)
[01:12] <HappyFool> jesus: you probably need to add entries for the other partitions in /etc/fstab
[01:12] <Madeye> IIIEars, ?
[01:12] <HappyFool> jesus: you can find out what the partitions are with 'sudo fdisk -l'
[01:13] <jesus> i had it set but it wasnt working cuz my 250 gig hdd came up as 35 the same as my bood drive
[01:13] <IIIEars> Madeye - try sourceforge.net for some a dem fancy dream makin' forex apps...
[01:14] <IIIEars> IIIEars - Oops! behind on my meds sorry...
[01:16] <jesus> HappyFool: i had my 250 gig in fstab as /dev/hdb1 to mound in folder /mnt/ehd1 but when i went to the media folder it said the 250 was 35 i think its saying its the 250 gig harddrive but its actuslly the 35, my boot drive
[01:17] <IIIEars> jesus - do you have a western digital drive formatted with their drive utility?
[01:18] <jesus> it was once formatted with their utility but now i formatted it during setup as ext3
[01:18] <thepages3> TPC do I need to set the ethO or eth1 to somthing elce and not have both with the 192.168.0.x ?
[01:19] <Nevado> where's a gtk colour chooser in gnome? just installed gtk 2.7 wanna see what it looks like :)
[01:19] <IIIEars> IIIEars - the dynamic drive overlay app confuses the hell out of linux the drive util will install DDO - got to use the option to - just a sec i'll get the disk and boot it up need to refresh my memory.
[01:20] <Seveas> IIIEars, why are you talking to yourself :)
[01:20] <jesus> lol
[01:20] <thepages3> anyone do I need to set the ethO or eth1 to somthing elce and not have both with the 192.168.0.x ?
[01:21] <IIIEars> jesus - said he had a western digital drive. their util formats a drive with an odd config.
[01:21] <jesus> but its not formatted with the utility this time  and im having the same problem with my other 20 gig whick i did not use the utility on ever
[01:22] <_SWAT_> anyone here know if ide_mod is an important module?
[01:23] <IIIEars> jesus - ah okay - the "Set drive size" option is the one to use. - their util is good if a little tooo simplified
[01:23] <jesus> so you are telling me to use the utility?
[01:23] <thepages3> anyone know about forwarding and routing with ubuntu that can help me?
[01:24] <IIIEars> jesus - nah - qtparted or gpart is much more straightforward
[01:24] <jesus> it shows the drives in media:/
[01:24] <jesus> ok if you forgot im using kubuntu i couldnt find any help i nthe kubuntu channel
[01:26] <IIIEars> jesus - when in doubt "nuke" it with the dd command or get a hammer. - qtparted on a knoppix live cd or gpart will work just fine.
[01:26] <llpamies> I've installed monodevelop from backport, but it crash when I open a project. Where I can find a newest version ?
[01:26] <IIIEars> IIIEars - okay i have "anger issues" - lol
[01:26] <llpamies> Or instead of it... How can I intstall debian experimental packages into ubuntu ?
[01:27] <jesus> well i think the drives are just fine its just having trouble reccognising which drive is which when i put everything in mtab and fstab
[01:27] <_SWAT_> can anyone with a cd/dvd burner please do a "lsmod | grep ide_mod" and look if you got any output???
[01:27] <IIIEars> IIIEars - been fighting with mysql for a couple of hours could it be showing?
[01:28] <holycow> http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/jcn/documentation/html-only/packaging.html  <-- pretty quick explanation of how to package debs
[01:29] <thepages3> anyone know why ping will only work when I disable one of my network cards?
[01:29] <DaemonTW> thepages3: probably your routing, you need to set a default route
[01:30] <jesus> IIIEars: well i think the drives are just fine its just having trouble reccognising which drive is which when i put everything in mtab and fstab
[01:30] <thepages3> do I set it to the card connected to the modem?
[01:32] <IIIEars> thepages3 - it looks like you can direct ping through a specific interface
[01:33] <thepages3> DaemonTW: with the default route do I set the gw to the card connected to the modem, the modem, or local card etc? ?
[01:34] <HappyFool> _SWAT_: i get no output from that command
[01:34] <nameless1> i need some help i installed ubuntu and i tried to compile the plugin for amsn that lets it dock in the menu, anyway... it required some file for me to compile it i have done searches and made a mess of my system trying to install every  dev\lib thingy in the chance i get the right one. can someone help me out
[01:34] <DaemonTW> thepages3: what sort of modem is it?
[01:35] <HappyFool> _SWAT_: however, i do have 'ide_cd' and 'ide_generic'
[01:35] <lsuactiafner> nameless1 : apt-get build-dep appname
[01:36] <thepages3> billion  711CE bridged
[01:37] <nameless1> lsuactiafner it still wont compile
[01:37] <DaemonTW> thepages3: then you want to set the gateway to the IP of the nic connected to the modem
[01:38] <thepages3> ok thanks DaemonTW
[01:38] <thepages3> another q for you
[01:38] <HappyFool> nameless1: packages.ubuntu.com has a 'filename search' form
[01:38] <nameless1> thanx happyfool i didnt know
[01:39] <thepages3> do I have to use a different domain eg. my local is 192.168.0.x do I use somthing elce for the modem nic
[01:39] <_SWAT_> HappyFool, thnx. I'm thinking that ide_mod is kinda important
[01:39] <_SWAT_> http://www.kernel-panic.org/contrib/ide-scsi
[01:40] <HappyFool> _SWAT_: i don't any files named "ide_mod*" on my system
[01:40] <DaemonTW> thepages3:  the nic plugged into the modem should get an IP from your ISP, normallly via DHCP
[01:40] <xXpinkyXx> whats the command to run a program from the root command line
[01:40] <xXpinkyXx> im a noob :(
[01:40] <HappyFool> _SWAT_: take a look in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/ide for possible ide kernel modules
[01:40] <_SWAT_> HappyFool, because my DVDwriter ain't working (not even recognized) I'm thinking it could be about that
[01:40] <xXpinkyXx> and i need to run it as root
[01:41] <HappyFool> xXpinkyXx: 'sudo command'
[01:41] <_SWAT_> HappyFool, I'll take a look at it know. Here's my problem    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34516
[01:42] <xXpinkyXx> care to expand on the sudo command
[01:42] <xXpinkyXx> sudo - ?
[01:42] <_SWAT_> HappyFool, there is no ide_mod kernel module available........
[01:42] <thepages3> hmmm ok atm its static, i can get on the net but just cant route, forwarding, ping local, etc
[01:43] <HappyFool> xXpinkyXx: 'sudo <the-command-you-want-to-run>'
[01:43] <HappyFool> _SWAT_: you don't see it in /proc/ide ?
[01:43] <xXpinkyXx> well I want to open synaptic :(
[01:43] <HappyFool> xXpinkyXx: if you start synaptic from the menu, it should ask for a password
[01:43] <pluffsy> hello
[01:43] <HappyFool> xXpinkyXx: enter your user password. Synaptic will then run with root privileges
[01:43] <xXpinkyXx> yeh it doesnt
[01:43] <_SWAT_> HappyFool, nope. But if I use the bootflag ide=nodma, it works sometimes (and my system is kinda slow)
[01:43] <xXpinkyXx> but ive done it from the terminal now anyway
[01:44] <xXpinkyXx> thanks dude X
[01:44] <Seveas> xXpinkyXx: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[01:44] <pluffsy> I have a sort of dumb question maybe. Will a pcmcia card for a pc laptop work on a ppc powerbook lombard under ubuntu if it works on x86 with ubuntu?
[01:44] <HappyFool> xXpinkyXx: it won't ask for the password if you have recently entered it
[01:44] <xXpinkyXx> yeah just says I need root acces ;)
[01:44] <Seveas> pluffsy, possibly, but not neccessaril
[01:44] <Seveas> y
[01:44] <xXpinkyXx> but im sorted now
[01:44] <HappyFool> _SWAT_: um. ok, i give up
[01:45] <nameless1> happy fool you told me to search the ubuntu package listing but the thing that is stoping me from compiling is a file called Tk *capital t* and when i do a search i just get a thousand GTK files
[01:45] <_SWAT_> HappyFool, ok :(
[01:45] <pluffsy> Any ideas if a  Dlink DWL-610 works on a pc laptop even?
[01:45] <pluffsy> are there some database for ubuntu where I can check for hardware support?
[01:46] <HappyFool> nameless1: have you tried tk8.4-dev ?
[01:46] <nameless1> ill try now
[01:46] <pluffsy> seveas: will it work if there are open drivers avalible? or are there hardware differences that can give problems or is it just if the company only release x86 binarys for the drivers?
[01:46] <HappyFool> _SWAT_: sounds like it could be an IDE chipset thing, but i don't know.
[01:47] <xXpinkyXx> why is it everythings made for KDE :@
[01:47] <xXpinkyXx> im beginning to think its the better option
[01:47] <nameless1> yes its already installed, but it still wants this "Tk" thing its realy anoying..... i want to use ubuntu but i need this to work otherwise ill use mandrake
[01:47] <nameless1> :(
[01:47] <Seveas> pluffsy, if there are open driver is will most likely work
[01:47] <Seveas> but D-LINK might very well use a windows-driver-only chipset
[01:48] <_SWAT_> HappyFool, OK. Thnx for your time and effort
[01:48] <Seveas> nameless1, what are you trying to install..?
[01:48] <nameless1> im tryin to compile the traydock thing that is a plugin for amsn it lets it dock in the gnome\kde menu
[01:48] <Seveas> apt-get build-dep amsn
[01:49] <HappyFool> nameless1: Tk, afaik, is a majorly retro graphics toolkit, associated with tcl and also used in python
[01:49] <pluffsy> are there any special brands of w-lan pcmcia cards I should look for that more likely will work?
[01:49] <Seveas> try that command to install averything you need to compile amsn, ot might be enough to compile the plugin too
[01:49] <DaemonTW> what's amsn?
[01:49] <jtan325> i cannot for the life of me get video working
[01:49] <Seveas> Alvaro's MSN client, an (IMAO) very ugly msn client
[01:49] <jtan325> vlc, totem, mplayer
[01:50] <jtan325> this friggin sucks
[01:50] <HappyFool> Gaim 'docks' (kinda) with the panel
[01:50] <HappyFool> gaim is quite nice, imo. the animated smileys are a bit much.
[01:50] <DaemonTW> nameless1: I'd give gaim a go for MSN chat, it already docks and works well
[01:50] <Seveas> HappyFool, only with a plugin ;)
[01:50] <jtan325> has anyone had the problem with video where there is sound but no image (i.e. screen is just blue?)?
[01:50] <topyli> HappyFool: turn the smilies off :)
[01:50] <jtan325> i'm geting that problem with xine-ui
[01:50] <HappyFool> Seveas: oh? Maybe i misunderstand 'docks'. I get a little gaim guy sitting next to the clock
[01:50] <Seveas> But the notification-area-plugin comes with Ubuntu :)
[01:51] <HappyFool> ah
[01:51] <Seveas> HappyFool, yeah, that is docks
[01:51] <jtan325> and i did some googling, but the suggestions don't seem to work
[01:51] <HappyFool> jtan325: isn't that maybe a codec thing? what are you trying to play?
[01:51] <jtan325> and avi file
[01:51] <topyli> my notification area is getting cluttered with stuff that don't notify me of anything :(
[01:52] <jtan325> i have tried all sorts of things
[01:52] <Seveas> :)
[01:52] <Seveas> topyli, then weed some things out
[01:52] <jtan325> in fact, i even reinstalled ubuntu like an hour ago
[01:52] <nameless1> i dont want gaim :( lol
[01:52] <HappyFool> jtan325: maybe run it from the command line, it might tell you what codec the avi file is
[01:52] <Seveas> nameless1, try this command: apt-get build-dep amsn
[01:52] <jtan325> not a bad idea
[01:52] <HappyFool> jtan325: i think mplayer says what kind of video stream the file has, and whether or not it can decode it
[01:53] <nameless1> i tried that already seveas, i installed this thing seperatly to the ubuntu instalation by the way
[01:53] <adwait> hello ppl..
[01:53] <HappyFool> ello adwait
[01:53] <Seveas> nameless1, and what is the error the ./configure or compiler gives you now?
[01:53] <topyli> Seveas: tomboy doesn't need to be there really, but the applet is broken. drivel might as well go, doesn't have to be there
[01:54] <lambert> re
[01:54] <lambert> et
[01:54] <nameless1> checking for Tk configuration... configure: WARNING: Can't find Tk configuration definitions
[01:54] <lambert> j'ai installer un super theme sur mon  gnome, mais j'aimerais que mes fenetres soient plus trensparentes
[01:54] <lambert> oh
[01:54] <lambert> escuse
[01:55] <Seveas> nameless1, apt-get install tk8.4-dev
[01:56] <nameless1> i already installed that i went on a frenzy installin everything i could to try fix it.....
[01:56] <Seveas> hmm
[01:56] <HappyFool> tk.h is in tk8.4-dev
[01:57] <nameless1> i compiled this on mandrake i think or one of the other distros
[01:57] <Seveas> nameless1, where did you download the thing (the docklet) from, i'll try to compile it here
[01:57] <nameless1> ill get you the link, brb
[01:58] <jtan325> ok what's even weirder is that the thumbnails of the movies are showing up in nautilus
[01:58] <jtan325> i just can't get them to play....
[01:58] <comadreja> hello, both totem and mplayer die when I try to watch a dvd. What should I install to watch it. I installed libcss and w32codecs
[01:58] <markuman> how to convert a folder with ogg files to mp3 files (amd64 system!) ???
[01:58] <Seveas> jtan325, maybe you need to install a coded..?
[01:58] <adwait> jtan325: wht kind of files are they?
[01:58] <Seveas> jtan325, download and install the codecpacks from mplayerhq.hu
[01:58] <nameless1> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/amsn/amsn-0.94-3-linux-installer.bin?download
[01:59] <jtan325> they are avi, mpg...
[01:59] <adwait> i guess u need the codecs
[01:59] <adwait> like the othrs said.......download the codecs
[01:59] <HappyFool> jtan325: afaik, avi is just a 'container' -- could be any of a multitude of encodings
[01:59] <Seveas> nameless1, that does not look like the sourcecode for an applet...
[01:59] <nameless1> one of the plugins needs to be compiled
[02:00] <Seveas> ah ok
[02:00] <nameless1> in the amsn/plugins/traydock/
[02:00] <Seveas> are you just compiling this plugin or the thing as a whole?
[02:00] <HappyFool> markuman: you *could* use ogg123 to convert to 'raw' format and them lame to make them mp3s. however, i believe that sort of thing is not recommended
[02:00] <comadreja> hello, both totem and mplayer die when I try to watch a dvd. What should I install to watch it. I installed libcss and w32codecs
[02:00] <nameless1> i was doin it how i did on the other sys when i got it to work just doin the su then ./configure
[02:01] <nameless1> not working for you seveas?
[02:01] <Seveas> working on it :)
[02:02] <nameless1> i have a question to everyone tho, at the moment the compiler is shitting me off. is it like this with other software in ubuntu? if it is im goin to mandrake :( i like ubuntu more but yeh...
[02:02] <HappyFool> nameless1: according to this: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=amsn&version=hoary&arch=i386
[02:02] <HappyFool> nameless1: traydock is in the ubuntu package
[02:02] <HappyFool> nameless1: are you sure you need to compile it?
[02:03] <nameless1> didnt know that, i guess that means amsn must come with ubuntu too
[02:03] <Seveas> nameless1, rofl yeah it does!
[02:03] <nameless1> i installed amsn on other systems before ubuntu so i just did the same in this case, my bad I THINK
[02:03] <nameless1> lol
[02:03] <HappyFool> nameless1: you can install it via synaptic, after you enable the universe repository
[02:03] <Seveas> I thought you tried that already :)
[02:03] <Seveas> nameless1: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:03] <Seveas> nameless1: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[02:03] <Seveas> read these, enable universe and you're good-to-go
[02:04] <HappyFool> or just use gaim ;)
[02:04] <nameless1> yeh im gona do a nice "clean" format and then i might ask for some help with my video card and ut2k4. Thanx for the help, i tried fedora\mandriva\ubuntu\and suse9.3 and ubuntu has the best help out of all of them, the best documentation!
[02:04] <nameless1> :)  l8tr
[02:04] <k4rp0r> goto ubuntuguide.org to get info about adding extra repositories
[02:06] <oofnik> ubuntu community is way cool
[02:07] <cmihai> Hmf... this breezy thing is taking forever to install....
[02:07] <cmihai> Ah, error.
[02:07] <Seveas> k4rp0r, ubuntuguide sucks
[02:07] <comadreja> sorry, but I need help. I installed hoary yesterday, installed libdvdcss2 and w32codecs, also mplayer, xine-ui, and totem... and I can't watch dvds, what am I doing wrong ?
[02:08] <comadreja> I get an audio decode error
[02:08] <adwait> :@...just going over my logs and it seems i was billed for even the night time downloads, though they are supposed to be free
[02:08] <HappyFool> comadreja: do you hear sounds normally? e.g., the ubuntu 'startup' sound ?
[02:08] <oofnik> comadreja are you using totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?
[02:09] <oofnik> when i switched to totem-xine everything worked
[02:09] <comadreja> HappyFool : yep, I've used skype normally
[02:09] <lambert> re
[02:09] <comadreja> oofnik : don't know, default
[02:09] <oofnik> ok, in synaptic look for totem
[02:09] <kl1> hi
[02:10] <adwait> kl1: hello
[02:10] <comadreja> totem-xine
[02:10] <kl1> :)
[02:10] <oofnik> totem-xine is installed already?
[02:10] <comadreja> HappyFool : maybe that's the problem, no, no sounds
[02:11] <adwait> kl1: want help or here to help?
[02:11] <HappyFool> comadreja: err. but you said skype works?
[02:11] <comadreja> yes, but skype uses /dev/dsp directly
[02:12] <comadreja> no alsa
[02:12] <jtan325> is there a way to reset your system to "factory settings" without reinstalling?
[02:12] <kl1> adwait i install fluxbox, but i dont know how to put an icon on the desktop :/
[02:12] <oofnik> jtan325, not really.. what are you trying to do
[02:12] <adwait> kl1: no idea......haven't used fluxbox....but u could try #fluxbox
[02:12] <comadreja> HappyFool : how can I install sound properly ?
[02:12] <kl1> oh ok :)
[02:13] <jtan325> i've probably f*cked up my configuration and settings trying to get video to work
[02:13] <jtan325> i'd rather just start over
[02:13] <jtan325> xine-gui will play the sound of a video, but not the video
[02:13] <HappyFool> comadreja: have you tried playing .mp3 files with the 'music player' (aka RhythmBox)
[02:13] <jtan325> mplayer shows a black screen and then seems to freeze
[02:13] <jtan325> and totem just closes when i start i
[02:13] <jtan325> t
[02:13] <jtan325> and i've downloaded every freakin codec
[02:14] <comadreja> HappyFool : trying...
[02:16] <adwait> jtan325: actually, there should be something tht can be done.......this isnt winblows which needs a restart/reinstall without a reason
[02:16] <jtan325> what's that?
[02:16] <oofnik> heh well with linux, if you screw up a new install it is usually easier to just do a reinstall..
[02:16] <Nevado> jtan325, run totem from commandline and see why it is closing
[02:17] <oofnik> winblows = windows
[02:17] <comadreja> HappyFool : nopes, I can't play on RythmBox
[02:17] <jtan325> "the error was "BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)"
[02:18] <Acid`X> does ubuntu comes with xmms?
[02:18] <Nevado> Acid`X, not by default but easy to install
[02:18] <HappyFool> comadreja: did you disable esd (normal sound system, afaik) to get skype working?
[02:18] <jtan325> what the h*ll, i have 512 mb ram and not much open
[02:18] <caz_> new to this distro: can someone help me mount a fat32 hard drive?
[02:18] <Corrosive> yeh probably
[02:18] <comadreja> HappyFool : yes, I deinstalled esd
[02:18] <jtan325> caz_, make an empty directory in /mnt as sudo, that is where you will mount
[02:19] <Acid`X> Nevado: and can i get the mp3 plugin for xmms too? apt-get intall xmms xmms-mp3 ?
[02:19] <caz_> leeme give it a try
[02:19] <HappyFool> comadreja: sorry, can you hang on a second?
[02:19] <jtan325> Nevado, adwait: any ideas? could it have something to do with my video card? i didn't install the nvidia drivers....
[02:19] <comadreja> HappyFool : sure
[02:19] <Corrosive> caz: do you want to make it mount at startup?
[02:19] <oofnik> default mount dir in ubuntu is /media
[02:19] <Seveas> caz_: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/windows_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[02:19] <Nevado> Acid`X, i think it's xmms-mad
[02:19] <Acid`X> Nevado: mad?
[02:20] <xXpinkyXx> you need gstreamer to play mp3's
[02:20] <xXpinkyXx> in xmms
[02:20] <Nevado> Acid`X, yeah
[02:20] <caz_> great thanks
[02:20] <Seveas> xXpinkyXx, not really...
[02:20] <Seveas> xmms does not use gstreameer
[02:20] <xXpinkyXx> I did..
[02:20] <Nevado> jtan325, not sure... what's the error if you run mplayer from commandline?
[02:20] <xXpinkyXx> ah ok rhythmbox?
[02:20] <Acid`X> xXpinkyXx: gstreamer is another app
[02:20] <xXpinkyXx> is it :s
[02:20] <Seveas> rhythmbox needs gstreamer
[02:20] <Corrosive> does anyone know how to make wma files work in rhythmbox?
[02:20] <Seveas> Acid`X, gstreamer is a library :)
[02:21] <Acid`X> i think so
[02:21] <xXpinkyXx> thats the one
[02:21] <xXpinkyXx> ;p
[02:21] <Acid`X> hehe
[02:21] <Seveas> Corrosive: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
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[02:21] <xXpinkyXx> my mp3's didnt work
[02:21] <Magius> Is there a KDE theme that looks like the default ubunu gnome theme....I like those colors
[02:21] <xXpinkyXx> and now they do
[02:21] <xXpinkyXx> when I installed gstreamer
[02:21] <jtan325> Nevado, there really is no error
[02:21] <Acid`X> and for videos i can get xine right?
[02:21] <Corrosive> ty, i can make them play but not search through them as i dont think it can read the tags or something
[02:21] <Coyctecm> anyone have succeed to compile amule?
[02:21] <Nevado> jtan325, what line does it stop on? :)
[02:21] <jtan325> Nevado, "alsa-init: 1 soundcard found, using: default"
[02:22] <oofnik> coyctecm, there is a package already available, why do you want to compile?
[02:22] <Coyctecm> universe repos offers old version..and I don't want to use backports
[02:22] <Corrosive> coyctecm: why not just get a package
[02:22] <oofnik> oh well whats the error you're getting?
[02:22] <Nevado> jtan325, try using "mplayer -ao oss filename"
[02:22] <HappyFool> comadreja: ok, back. can you start xine-ui, right-click on the window and select 'Settings' from the menu
[02:22] <Nevado> jtan325, you may need to "pkill esd" before running that
[02:22] <Coyctecm> ok I find the package =)
[02:22] <Nevado> jtan325, but that should do the trick
[02:22] <Seveas> Nevado, icky!
[02:23] <Seveas> just mplayer -ao esd
[02:23] <jtan325> Nevado, HOLY CRAP IT WORKED
[02:23] <jtan325> Nevado, so wtf happened?
[02:23] <Seveas> jtan325, you messed  up
[02:23] <Nevado> jtan325, do what Seveas said :)
[02:23] <Seveas> please restart esd by typing: esd &
[02:23] <Seveas> jtan325, and edit /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[02:23] <Seveas> there is a line that says: ao=something
[02:24] <Seveas> that line must read: ao=esd
[02:24] <Acid`X> brb
[02:24] <marais> good morning :)
[02:24] <caz_> bbl after i truy a few things thanks seveas and jtan325
[02:24] <xXpinkyXx> morning
[02:24] <oofnik> heh it's afternoon here
[02:24] <comadreja> HappyFool : yep, then ?
[02:25] <Corrosive> i can play wma files in mplayer and stuff, its just that they wont seem to go in the rhythmbox music library
[02:25] <marais> well, here as well but I've just got up from bed ;)
[02:25] <oofnik> haha oh
[02:25] <HappyFool> comadreja: change 'Configuration experience level' to 'Adanced', then click 'Apply'
[02:25] <oofnik> lazy you
[02:25] <Seveas> Corrosive, rhythmbox cannot handle wma afaik
[02:25] <HappyFool> comadreja: then select the 'Audio' tab
[02:25] <Corrosive> k, ty
[02:26] <marais> oofnik, here it's blzing hot at nights
[02:26] <jtan325> Seveas, Nevado: you guys are awesome
[02:26] <comadreja> HappyFool : cool, then ?
[02:26] <xXpinkyXx> when I try apt-get the flash plugin for firefox its says it cant find the package
[02:26] <jtan325> and Seveas , you might have noticed i've been in here alot the past couple days
[02:26] <jtan325> haha
[02:26] <HappyFool> comadreja: then, under 'audio driver to use', select alsa (not sure which will work, but alsa's worth a try)
[02:26] <xXpinkyXx> and ive added the repositreys:(
[02:26] <HappyFool> comadreja: click 'OK' and try to play a dvd
[02:26] <jtan325> Seveas, Nevado, i guess the mplayer ao was defaulting to ALSA, which i don't think i have setup
[02:28] <comadreja> HappyFool : now I can listen to it, but no image
[02:28] <HappyFool> comadreja: err. sorry, i thought video was working
[02:29] <comadreja> HappyFool : nopes, it died before anything could appear
[02:29] <HappyFool> comadreja: hrm
[02:29] <HappyFool> comadreja: and now?
[02:29] <HappyFool> comadreja: it's not crashing?
[02:29] <comadreja> HappyFool : xine does not crash, totem and mplayer syes
[02:30] <HappyFool> comadreja: ok, so xine is playing the audio, not crashing, but not showing an image?
[02:30] <pluffsy> btw. I have two identical firewire disks (or well not identical one is a bit newer and larger, but same type). I tried the ppc live cd (5.04) and one of the disks mounted and the other didn't. I didn't have time to do more tests than. could this be because they are connected in a chain/serial connected/whatever it's called in english? or should ubuntu support that?
[02:30] <comadreja> HappyFool : that's it, and mplayer and totem crash
[02:31] <jtan325> comadreja, HappyFool, I have the same probelm, but it's not just dvd's (i haven't even tried that!!)
[02:32] <J2Dope> i have an external hdd partition to ext3 for ubuntu. can i convert it to ntfs without losing my data?
[02:32] <zyth> J2Dope, how do you intend to 'convert' it to NTFS?
[02:32] <HappyFool> comadreja: ok, and you have installed libdvdcss2 ?
[02:32] <Seveas> pluffsy, what do you mean with chain/serial connected?
[02:32] <cmihai> Breezy looks really unstable atm...
[02:32] <Seveas> Ubuntu should support all USB disks
[02:32] <zyth> cmihai, IT IS.
[02:32] <comadreja> HappyFool : yes
[02:32] <zyth> er it is
[02:32] <HappyFool> comadreja: hrm
[02:32] <zyth> silly capslock
[02:33] <J2Dope> zyth: yes., my pc situation here has changed. im using laptops more and my desktop ubuntu is rarely used
[02:33] <pluffsy> seveas: the first drive is connected to the firewire port on my computer the other one is connected to the first drive.
[02:33] <J2Dope> all the laptops are winxp, and i haven't been able to get samba working
[02:33] <cmihai> I just tried the "test release" ...and it was like full of bugs / problems..
[02:33] <Seveas> pluffsy, hmm firewire, that might still have some issues
[02:33] <cmihai> colony-2 or whatever
[02:33] <Seveas> does the other work if you plug it in directly?
[02:34] <HappyFool> comadreja: let's see if mplayer can tell us what's wrong. try 'mplayer -ao alsa dvd://' at the command-line. what happens?
[02:34] <Seveas> cmihai, then wait for it to stabilize :)
[02:34] <comadreja> HappyFool : crash
[02:34] <jtan325> comadreja, just curious, does your xine work with non-dvd video too?
[02:34] <zyth> J2Dope, no, you don't understand, what do you intend to use to do this conversion? I'm unaware of any convert ext3--->ntfs programs
[02:35] <jtan325> like playing an mpg or avi that's on your hard disk or something?
[02:35] <HappyFool> comadreja: ok, and the text output? does it say anything?
[02:35] <comadreja> HappyFool : MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio
[02:35] <comadreja> - MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM.
[02:35] <HappyFool> comadreja: erk
[02:35] <xXpinkyXx> when I try apt-get the flash plugin for firefox its says it cant find the package
[02:35] <xXpinkyXx> and ive added the repositreys:(
[02:35] <Seveas> comadreja, aptitude purge mplayer and reinstall mplayer
[02:35] <comadreja> jtan325 : I don't have any video on my drive
[02:35] <pluffsy> seveas: I'm not sure. I was very stressed when I tried the cd (was doing recovery work because macosx had died). I'll try again. But it might or might now work with disks connected to each other?
[02:36] <zyth> xXpinkyXx, the package is 'flashplugin-nonfree'
[02:36] <HappyFool> comadreja: try seveas' suggestion
[02:36] <Seveas> pluffsy, it should work, if you can get more info about why it does not work, please file a bug report
[02:36] <pluffsy> seveas: I'll do that. thanks.
[02:37] <J2Dope> ok thank zyth
[02:37] <comadreja> HappyFool : 386 or 586 ? it is a centrino
[02:37] <HappyFool> comadreja: um. 386 ought to work
[02:37] <zyth> comadreja, mplayer-custom is always good if you have build-essential installed.
[02:38] <comadreja> HappyFool : crash
[02:38] <HappyFool> bother
[02:38] <zyth> I used to have that same issue in hoary...
[02:38] <zyth> it was my soundcard.
[02:38] <jtan325> HappyFool, might you have any ideas on how to debug my situation?
[02:38] <jtan325> it runs fine in mplayer
[02:38] <zyth> comadreja, you don't have a c-media sound chip by chance do you?
[02:38] <jtan325> in xine, it only plays the sound, there is just a blue screen for the video instead
[02:38] <comadreja> zyth : no clue
[02:39] <zyth> comadreja, lspci is your friend :)
[02:39] <comadreja> zyth : mplayer-custom has some broken depends
[02:39] <zyth> or 'device manager'
[02:39] <comadreja> AC'97
[02:39] <gm78> comadreja: post the complete output of lspci
[02:39] <xXpinkyXx> ive just installed limewire but it wont launch :(
[02:39] <HappyFool> not here ;)
[02:39] <gm78> comadreja: AC97 is only the chipset
[02:39] <zyth> to paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:39] <zyth> !!
[02:39] <ubotu> zyth: I don't know, could you explain it?
[02:39] <gm78> comadreja: lol, what zyth said
[02:40] <comadreja> 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
[02:40] <HappyFool> jtan325: well, if mplayer works, why not just use that ?
[02:40] <zyth> ahh.
[02:40] <jtan325> HappyFool, because mplayer doesn't allow resizing
[02:40] <zyth> comadreja, is this onboard or notebook?
[02:40] <gm78> comadreja: weird....ive never had problems with intel chips and linux
[02:40] <gorehawg> hello...
[02:40] <comadreja> notebook
[02:40] <zyth> yeah
[02:40] <zyth> ok, my suggestion is, setup alsa and dmix
[02:40] <comadreja> hp pavilion dv1250ea
[02:40] <zyth> OR
[02:40] <gorehawg> how can I change the gnome splash screen? I changed the login screen but the loading screen is still default
[02:40] <zyth> use esd for everything
[02:41] <HappyFool> zyth: he wants to use skype also
[02:41] <zyth> you're having mixer issues
[02:41] <zyth> HappyFool, I don't know the first thing about that.
[02:41] <comadreja> can't I use alsa for everything ?
[02:41] <Seveas> gorehawg: To change the Ubuntu splash screen, open the gconf-editor and change the key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash-image
[02:41] <HappyFool> zyth: me either ;) but i think there might be an esd / skype clash
[02:41] <olorin> hello, is there any way to define a permanent xauth MIT_MAGIC_COOKIE in Ubuntu ?
[02:41] <zyth> but your chip isn't doing hardware mixing (it can't), so you need to setup software mixing
[02:41] <Magius> Is there a KDE theme that looks like the default ubuntu gnome theme....I like those colors
[02:42] <Seveas> HappyFool, esddsp can wrap esd for skypr...
[02:42] <comadreja> Seveas : doesn't work
[02:42] <xXpinkyXx> ive just installed limewire but it wont launch :(
[02:42] <zyth> comadreja, I don't see why you can't use alsa+dmix for all of it, but I don't use skype.
[02:42] <comadreja> what do I have to do to use alsa+dmix for everything ?
[02:42] <jtan325> holy crap, you CAN resize in mplayer!
[02:43] <zyth> jtan325, uhhh..yeah...
[02:43] <zyth> comadreja, 1sec
[02:43] <comadreja> I think this lacks codecs or libraries or something
[02:43] <jtan325> haha wow this has been quite a circus for me
[02:43] <jtan325> figuring out how to play my anime, oh boy
[02:43] <comadreja> jtan325 : what was it ?
[02:44] <zyth> comadreja, try this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44753&highlight=dmix
[02:44] <zyth> comadreja, install w32codecs if you lack codecs.
[02:44] <jtan325> comadreja, i am using mplayer. basically, install every freakin codec out there (download them off the mplayer website too)
[02:45] <zyth> comadreja, that, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063&highlight=dmix
[02:45] <Ferry> is there way to stop ubuntu from loading the ipaq module when i connect my pda?
[02:46] <jtan325> comadreja, after that, make sure your options for -ao in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf match up with what you had. in my case, i didn't have ALSA, so it was failing there (thanks to Nevado and Seveas) for this
[02:46] <xXpinkyXx> sorry what was the location for the flash firefox plug in my compyter just restarted it self
[02:47] <xXpinkyXx> *computer
[02:47] <comadreja> be back after all this
[02:47] <zyth> xXpinkyXx, flashplugin-nonfree
[02:47] <zyth> comadreja, I recommend the 2nd link
[02:47] <xXpinkyXx> yeah thats the one sorry
[02:47] <jtan325> how do i modify the options for something in the "applications" menu"
[02:48] <jtan325> i.e. i want mplayer to launch with certain options from now on
[02:48] <xXpinkyXx> couldnt be found
[02:48] <xXpinkyXx> :(
[02:48] <djp> does anyobdy know what packages are needed to convert .avi files to theora using hoary? i have tried asking over at #theora, but it appears to be a pretty quiet chatroom!
[02:48] <zyth> ffmpeg I think?
[02:49] <zyth> xXpinkyXx, then you haven't added the right repositories.
[02:49] <xXpinkyXx> everythign else has worked though :s
[02:49] <Seveas> jtan325, edit /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf for that
[02:49] <xXpinkyXx> what other repositories do I need
[02:50] <jtan325> Seveas, yeah i did that
[02:50] <jtan325> Seveas, but i was just wondering in general
[02:50] <jtan325> or is editing each app
[02:50] <zyth> xXpinkyXx, universe and multiverse, I expect
[02:50] <jtan325> app's conf. files the only way?
[02:50] <zyth> !restricted
[02:50] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:50] <zyth> goto that url xXpinkyXx
[02:52] <xXpinkyXx> ok
[02:53] <djp> do you require ffmpeg/ffmpeg-gstreamer plugins in order to view .avi files?
[02:54] <Seveas> jtan325, you can use smeg to edit menu entries
[02:54] <anatole> anyone knows a good bath image processor tool with gui? (for resizing and recompressing the jpegs)
[02:54] <xXpinkyXx> hmm
[02:54] <Seveas> anatole, mogrify
[02:54] <Seveas> part of imagemagick
[02:54] <anatole> thnks
[02:54] <Seveas> oh, WITH gui...
[02:54] <Seveas> mogrify is without...
[02:55] <jtan325> Seveas, thanks
[02:55] <nameless1> im looking at ubuntuguide.org and alot of the stuff that it claims ubuntu comes with , just did not come with my distro. Am i missing something ??
[02:55] <xoz> jtan325: or alias mplayer='mplayer <options> '
[02:55] <penguin42> anatole: Can't you just use gimp?
[02:55] <penguin42> nameless1: Can you give us an example?
[02:55] <jtan325> xoz good idea
[02:56] <nameless1> it says to type sudo apt-get install azureus .... but azureus doesnt come with ubuntu
[02:56] <anatole> can gimp edit multiple images?
[02:56] <nameless1> lots of things like that...
[02:56] <Poromies> nameless1: add the extra repos and dl/install all you need :)
[02:56] <penguin42> anacron: Hmm if it can't then look at cinepaint
[02:56] <anatole> ok, thanks
[02:56] <nameless1> aahh i c :)
[02:56] <nameless1> thanx
[02:57] <comadreja> HappyFool : now I have no sound
[02:57] <Seveas> nameless1, ubuntuguide sucks
[02:57] <nameless1> whats a better place then?
[02:57] <Poromies> nameless1: they dont actualy "come with the CD", but they are programs available to ubuntu users in the ubuntu repositories and thus "they come with ubuntu"
[02:57] <Seveas> nameless1, wiki.ubuntu.com :)
[02:57] <gorilla_> nameless1, the ubuntu wiki :-)
[02:57] <HappyFool> comadreja: but you have an image?
[02:57] <penguin42> Poromies: That particular one doesn't seem to be in universal
[02:58] <nameless1> yup thanx
[02:58] <comadreja> HappyFool : neither ! :D
[02:58] <HappyFool> comadreja: what have you changed?
[02:58] <gorilla_> Seveas, perhasp something about ubuntuguide.org should be in the channel topic :-)
[02:58] <comadreja> HappyFool : I followed zyth links
[02:59] <comadreja> but RythmBox sounds
[02:59] <HappyFool> comadreja: ah
[02:59] <HappyFool> comadreja: ok, lets just switch xine to use esd then
[03:00] <HappyFool> comadreja: start xine, right click, settings, audio, choose 'esd' ('auto' might work too)
[03:00] <comadreja> HappyFool : yes, it sounds
[03:00] <HappyFool> comadreja: ok
[03:00] <comadreja> HappyFool : but I get a blue image
[03:01] <comadreja> HappyFool : and totem and mplayer crash
[03:01] <HappyFool> comadreja: let's try this too: 'xine --verbose dvd://'  (on the command line)
[03:01] <comadreja> HappyFool : can I give you kind of vnc access to the computer ?
[03:01] <HappyFool> comadreja: i have dial-up ;) it probably wouldn't be worth it
[03:02] <comadreja> HappyFool : very verbose
[03:02] <xXpinkyXx> still cant flashplugin-nonfree
[03:02] <xXpinkyXx> and ive done the universe thing i synaptic
[03:02] <cmihai> Just a though, .. what would Ubuntu have to offer that Debian does not?! Apart from XOrg and a frienly comunity ?
[03:02] <HappyFool> comadreja: can you cut-and-paste to paste.ubuntulinux.nl ?
[03:02] <comadreja> HappyFool : all ?
[03:02] <HappyFool> xXpinkyXx: what sort of system do you have? ppc, amd64 ?
[03:03] <comadreja> HappyFool : and why are you interested in the only one that does not crash ? :D
[03:03] <xXpinkyXx> AMD64
[03:03] <penguin42> cmihai: A defined release timescale
[03:03] <HappyFool> comadreja: as much as you think sensible. the more the better.
[03:03] <HappyFool> comadreja: cos if we can get xine to work, why bother with mplayer and totem ?
[03:05] <HappyFool> comadreja: if you're having troubles cut-and-pasting, i think seveas has a little script to upload files to the pastebin
[03:05] <comadreja> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/381
[03:06] <anatole> i have no clue where to search batch image editing in gimp or cinepaint
[03:06] <anatole> penguin42: do you use it?
[03:07] <Seveas> HappyFool, it's linked from the pastebin site
[03:07] <HappyFool> Seveas: thanks. I think he got it all anyway
[03:07] <marais> ehem
[03:07] <Seveas> I use it all the time ;)
[03:07] <marais> i'm trying to install ubuntu hoary with double start
[03:07] <marais> and I'm hving terrible problems:(
[03:08] <xXpinkyXx> :'(
[03:08] <marais> someone can help me in the part of formatting the partition?
[03:08] <xXpinkyXx> *loads up frozen bubble :D*
[03:09] <HappyFool> comadreja: hrm
[03:09] <HappyFool> comadreja: looks like xine thinks it's working
[03:09] <penguin42> anatole: No, I haven't used cinepaint - I just no that it was a branch of gimp designed for film processing
[03:10] <anatole> i see
[03:10] <HappyFool> comadreja: i'm going to go find a dvd to test on my system. stand by
[03:10] <J2Dope> hi. with SSH, im logging into ubuntu from winxp.. can i copy files off ubuntu to windows with this ssh?
[03:10] <penguin42> xXpinkyXx: Well that's you taken care of for an hour
[03:10] <comadreja> HappyFool : thanks :)
[03:10] <penguin42> J2Dope: You need a program called scp - that often comes packages with ssh
[03:11] <J2Dope> thanks penguin42
[03:11] <J2Dope> putty should have it ya?
[03:11] <comadreja> J2Dope is psftp IIRC
[03:11] <J2Dope> pardon comadreja
[03:11] <penguin42> J2Dope: I can't remember but if it doesn't i'm fairly sure there is an scp from the same place
[03:12] <Seveas> penguin42, psftp = putty sftp :)
[03:12] <comadreja> Seveas : you're right, sorry
[03:12] <penguin42> ah
[03:13] <Acid`X> back
[03:13] <J2Dope> thanks guys
[03:13] <Acid`X> so, gstreamer is a library?
[03:13] <J2Dope> getting it now. having such problems with this external hdd being ext3
[03:13] <Heimdall> re
[03:13] <penguin42> J2Dope: I think there is a thing for Windows to access ext3 discs
[03:13] <HappyFool> comadreja: gah. everyone here is taking afternoon naps, i can't find any dvds
[03:14] <J2Dope> penguin42: got it's name?
[03:14] <comadreja> HappyFool : no prob, why could the others be failing ?
[03:14] <penguin42> J2Dope: No - sorry
[03:14] <J2Dope> cos the sooner i can backup this stuff the better
[03:14] <J2Dope> ok no worries
[03:14] <HappyFool> comadreja: well, we could try asking mplayer to esd
[03:15] <HappyFool> comadreja: 'mplayer -ao esd dvd://'
[03:15] <comadreja> HappyFool : works fine :)
[03:15] <HappyFool> comadreja: with video?
[03:15] <comadreja> HappyFool : video, no sound :D
[03:15] <HappyFool> *aaargh*
[03:16] <comadreja> HappyFool : I could start a xine and a mplayer at the same time ! :D
[03:16] <HappyFool> ok, let's pipe the mplayer output to a file. 'mplayer -ao esd dvd:// >& mplayer.out'
[03:17] <HappyFool> then kill mplayer, and take a look at that file for any obvious audio error messages
[03:17] <comadreja> it says:
[03:17] <comadreja> The selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec.
[03:17] <comadreja> [AO ESD]  esd_open_sound failed: No such file or directory
[03:17] <comadreja> Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.
[03:17] <HappyFool> hrm
[03:17] <penguin42> J2Dope: Try this http://freshmeat.net/projects/ext2ifs/
[03:17] <HappyFool> is esd running ?
[03:17] <HappyFool> try esd&
[03:18] <HappyFool> then run mplayer again
[03:18] <HappyFool> oh, you uninstalled esd... hrm
[03:18] <comadreja> crash
[03:18] <comadreja> I installed it again
[03:18] <comadreja> there is an audio decoding problem
[03:18] <HappyFool> ah
[03:19] <HappyFool> does it say what it is?
[03:19] <comadreja> it makes both mplayer and totem crash
[03:19] <HappyFool> or just the same signal 11 as before?
[03:19] <comadreja> sorry, I'll paste 7 lines
[03:19] <comadreja> MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio
[03:19] <comadreja> - MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM.
[03:19] <comadreja>   Recompile MPlayer with --enable-debug and make a 'gdb' backtrace and
[03:19] <comadreja>   disassembly. Details in DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports_what.html#bugreports_crash.
[03:19] <comadreja> - MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen.
[03:19] <comadreja>   It can be a bug in the MPlayer code _or_ in your drivers _or_ in your
[03:19] <marais> someone can help me in the part of formatting the partition?
[03:20] <comadreja>   gcc version.
[03:20] <marais> I know I've already asked..
[03:20] <penguin42> marais: How do you want to format it?
[03:20] <marais> I want to keep the double start
[03:20] <penguin42> the what?
[03:20] <HappyFool> comadreja: does the same thing happen when using mplayer to play an mp3? e.g. 'mplayer -ao esd filename.mp3' ?
[03:20] <marais> to have windoze and linux in the same machine
[03:21] <marais> I've got three partitions
[03:21] <marais> 1 per windoze other for linux and other swap
[03:21] <HappyFool> comadreja: i see this on RestrictedFormats: 'If you are getting sound but no video with some mpgs, you probably need the ffmpeg libraries'
[03:21] <comadreja> HappyFool : nopes, works fine
[03:21] <HappyFool> comadreja: have you installed gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg ?
[03:22] <HappyFool> comadreja: hrm. very odd
[03:22] <penguin42> marais: OK so if windows is happily running in one then just install Linux in the other one and let the installer install GRUB for you
[03:22] <marais> ecco :)
[03:22] <marais> but I seems to do something wrong
[03:22] <penguin42> marais: Like what
[03:23] <marais> like that i don't do in the right way the partitoion of linux
[03:23] <comadreja> checking
[03:23] <penguin42> marais: Do you get an error - or what?
[03:23] <comadreja> HMPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio
[03:23] <comadreja> - MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM.
[03:23] <comadreja>   Recompile MPlayer with --enable-debug and make a 'gdb' backtrace and
[03:23] <comadreja>   disassembly. Details in DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports_what.html#bugreports_crash.
[03:23] <comadreja> - MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen.
[03:23] <comadreja>   It can be a bug in the MPlayer code _or_ in your drivers _or_ in your
[03:23] <comadreja> oops
[03:23] <comadreja> touchpad
[03:23] <marais> in the sense that I don't get the grub
[03:23] <comadreja> sorry. HappyFool : nopes, it wasn't installed
[03:23] <HappyFool> comadreja: ok, install it and try xine again
[03:23] <penguin42> marais: How do you mean you 'don't get the grub' - does it install it and when you reboot you get something else or don't you get that far?
[03:24] <HappyFool> comadreja: maybe it's a simple mpeg2 video thing
[03:24] <narkceh> hello. my ipod device /dev/sda2 dissapeared how to get it back?
[03:24] <marais> I think I don't do right the partition atributes
[03:24] <sensayshun> I'm trying to copy something to a floppy. But it says I do not have permission. How would I do it through the terminal?
[03:24] <comadreja> HappyFool : samething, blue screen
[03:24] <HappyFool> comadreja: *sob*
[03:25] <penguin42> marais: What makes you think you don't have the right partition attributes?
[03:25] <comadreja> sorry :(
[03:25] <xXpinkyXx> why wont limewire load :@
[03:25] <HappyFool> comadreja: heh. not your fault ;)
[03:25] <xXpinkyXx> fuckign ubuntu :(
[03:25] <xXpinkyXx> grrrrrr
[03:25] <marais> because the grub didn't appear so I cannot reach the windows partition
[03:25] <yccheok> anyone had ever play openttd in ubuntu?
[03:25] <penguin42> marais: OK - look you need to tell us *EXACTLY* what is happening not what you think is wrong
[03:26] <marais> I need to configurate thye linux partition
[03:26] <penguin42> marais: So, when you boot your machine what do you see?
[03:26] <marais> just linux
[03:26] <shinu> any reason i couldnt ls a folder that belongs to me?
[03:26] <marais> the mounting point must be / o nothing?
[03:26] <shinu> i have read and execute attributs to them
[03:27] <penguin42> shinu: you can remove permissions so even you can't read your own folder
[03:27] <penguin42> oh
[03:27] <sensayshun> How do I change permissions when it won't let me?
[03:27] <penguin42> shinu: What does ls -ld   of the folder show?
[03:27] <shinu> er...
[03:27] <shinu> wait
[03:27] <HappyFool> comadreja: can you maybe tell me how you installed mplayer / xine etc. ? using ubuntuguide instructions?
[03:28] <shinu> penguin42: thanks for poiting out...
[03:28] <johntramp> yccheok, is openttd any good?  have you tried it?
[03:28] <shinu> i looked at the wrong thing...
[03:28] <neul> say, what is that second toolbar i've been seeing on Linux desktops... the one with the big icons?
[03:28] <shinu> sorry
[03:28] <penguin42> neul: Where about? Top or bottom - what type of icons?
[03:29] <comadreja> HappyFool : I nstalled the base system
[03:29] <comadreja> then I added : universe and multiverse
[03:29] <neul> bottom center... a kind of "most requently used" deal
[03:29] <comadreja> and mirrormax
[03:29] <johntramp> neul, in gnome?  you may be seeing a KDE desktop
[03:29] <comadreja> backports
[03:29] <neul> KDE
[03:29] <comadreja> and java
[03:30] <comadreja> installed all, with their dependencies
[03:30] <HappyFool> comadreja: hmm. i wonder what mplayer version you have
[03:30] <neul> is it a Karambe theme or something?
[03:30] <comadreja> MPlayer 1.0pre6-3.3.5 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer Team
[03:30] <neul> -e+a
[03:30] <johntramp> neul, do you have a link to it
[03:30] <sensayshun> How do I change permissions to my floppy drive?
[03:30] <penguin42> neul: Hmm I can't really think what you are thinking of - I have a panel setup accross the bottom with icons for each of the apps I use a lot in - and you can make that as tall as you like
[03:30] <narkceh> my ipod device /dev/sda2 dissapeared, how to get it back?
[03:30] <HappyFool> comadreja: what does 'dpkg -s mplayer-386|grep Version' say?
[03:31] <neul> penguin-- how do you activate that
[03:31] <yccheok> johntramp: i still figure out how to install :(
[03:31] <ezequiel> hi ppl
[03:31] <ezequiel> isn't there any qt4 build for ubuntu?
[03:31] <comadreja> Version: 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[03:31] <penguin42> neul: What have you got at the moment? One panel at the top?
[03:31] <neul> duh yep
[03:32] <yccheok> johntramp: i try to install via deb from the original site. i get the error  openttd depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21); however:
[03:32] <yccheok>   Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13.
[03:32] <HappyFool> comadreja: ok, same as mine
[03:32] <narkceh> any idea how to get ipod work
[03:32] <penguin42> neul: So right click on it and get the menu and there is an option for 'new panel' choose that and select one at the bottom - make it as big as you like and then add apps, clocks etc to it
[03:32] <HappyFool> ezequiel: qt4 was just released, wasn't it? i doubt there'll be an 'official' qt4 for hoary
[03:32] <neul> oh simple... that's probly what i been seeing
[03:32] <comadreja> HappyFool : damn, this error is stupid
[03:33] <[koji] > where can I find a log of apt installed programs?
[03:33] <comadreja> [koji]  dpkg -l
[03:33] <HappyFool> comadreja: well, if it makes you feel better, mplayer crashes with DVDs on my machine too, after a few minutes. I have no idea why
[03:33] <comadreja> HappyFool : actually it doesn't make me feel better... :)
[03:34] <HappyFool> heh
[03:34] <comadreja> I've been playing dvds in debian for a lot of time
[03:34] <comadreja> and this seems just too hard
[03:34] <HappyFool> yeah
[03:34] <HappyFool> i get the idea the sound subsystem is not .. err. ideal
[03:34] <narkceh> nope it seems like nobody knows
[03:34] <comadreja> maybe if I compile mplayer ?
[03:35] <HappyFool> it's worth a shot
[03:35] <comadreja> let's try
[03:36] <marais> penguin42, really scuse me but I'm stuck :(
[03:37] <[koji] > comadreja: I like to see the list sorted by installed date, is there a way?
[03:38] <penguin42> marais: I suggest you find a local Linux User Group who can looka t your machine
[03:38] <marais> thanks but if I had it I would not have been here :)
[03:38] <lsuactiafner> ummm
[03:39] <lsuactiafner> marais : apt-get build-dep mplayer
[03:39] <marais> ein?? lsuactiafner
[03:39] <lsuactiafner> and compile latest mplayer cvs yourself
[03:39] <lsuactiafner> ?
[03:39] <marais> I'm just trying to install ubuntu!!
[03:39] <lsuactiafner> oh
[03:39] <lsuactiafner> eh
[03:39] <marais> in this moment trying to define partitions
[03:39] <lsuactiafner> whats the problem?
[03:39] <lsuactiafner> lol
[03:40] <lsuactiafner> ah comadreja has mplayer problem
[03:40] <marais> I don't know which atributes must have each one
[03:40] <lsuactiafner> nm
[03:40] <Acid`X> anyone knows where can i find any macromedia flash plugin for x86_64?
[03:40] <lsuactiafner> you need a 1G swap and linux native
[03:40] <HappyFool> Acid`X: i don't think there is one. sorry, were you asking about this earlier under a different nick?
[03:40] <marais> I've got them
[03:40] <lsuactiafner> 82 and 83 i think
[03:41] <Acid`X> HappyFool: nop, but just wanna know if there is any pre-release
[03:42] <djp> can anybody tell me why theora playback using totem-gstreamer is jerky? avi files are fine.
[03:45] <drx> Hi, is it possible to add a script or something into a Makefile.am that will list all .cpp and .h files into the prog_SOURCES variable instead of having to type them in all by hand ?
[03:46] <HappyFool> drx: this is more-or-less a basic user support channel. Have you tried asking in dev channels these autoconf/automake questions?
[03:47] <drx> no i haven't, i will do that :)
[03:49] <AlexBO> Hello! I've a problem with SANE. I've got a Parallel Port Scanner (UMAX Astra 1220P), so i've installed sane 1.0.1.4 . In the root terminal I've written "umax_pp -p - t 1" to check if the scanner was alive, as the web instruction said, but the terminal said "command not found". Can anybody help me?
[03:50] <kyle_> hello all im new to this chat
[03:50] <kyle_> so can u teach me?
[03:50] <penguin42> kyle_: speak normally and in a clear voice
[03:50] <kyle_> huh?
[03:51] <comadreja> HappyFool : ok, recompiling mplayer and using oss as audio, works
[03:51] <Nevado> what do you want to be taught? :\
[03:51] <HappyFool> comadreja: video *and* audio, simultaneously?
[03:52] <kyle_> well how do i get heaps of programs for linux\ubuntu
[03:52] <AlexBO> I've searched for more of one hour in the web, but I've not find anythings.
[03:52] <kyle_> k
[03:52] <HappyFool> AlexBO: sorry, looks like there are no sane users on at the moment. maybe ask again later
[03:52] <comadreja> HappyFool : yep
[03:52] <kyle_> ubuntu is a good os ay?
[03:52] <Nevado> kyle_, open synaptic and look through the packages... depends what you're looking for!
[03:52] <penguin42> AlexBO: parallel port scanners are evil magic
[03:52] <HappyFool> comadreja: at last!
[03:53] <kyle_> synaptic?
[03:53] <Nevado> system -> administration -> synaptic
[03:53] <comadreja> HappyFool : but still makes me wonder why the others fail
[03:53] <kyle_> ok
[03:53] <AlexBO> penguin42, what is "evil magic"?
[03:53] <comadreja> HappyFool : how do I make mplayer fullscreen with resize ?
[03:53] <penguin42> AlexBO: Well, normally pretty hard to get to work reliably
[03:53] <uchinan> trying to install gaim and seeing "checking for dot... false"
[03:53] <uchinan> does anyone know what "dot" is?
[03:53] <HappyFool> comadreja: erm. 'man mplayer' ?
[03:54] <AlexBO> I agree with you! :-)
[03:54] <Nevado> comadreja, mplayer -vo xv
[03:54] <kyle_> how do i use mp3s on linux?
[03:54] <HappyFool> uchinan: well, there's a dot which draws graphs (ala computer science: nodes and edges)
[03:54] <comadreja> thanks :)
[03:54] <penguin42> HappyFool: Yeh but I can't see why GAIM would use that?!
[03:55] <Nevado> comadreja, change it in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf is best
[03:55] <uchinan> HappyFool: I am new to ubuntu (today)...  is this not in the package directory?  I have searched for "dot" and nothing pops up
[03:55] <penguin42> kyle_: Please don't do that
[03:55] <kyle_> y not?
[03:55] <penguin42> kyle_: Because it's fucking annoying
[03:55] <kyle_> k
[03:55] <kyle_> k
[03:55] <Nevado> kyle_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:56] <kyle_> thx
[03:56] <HappyFool> uchinan: you can install gaim via synaptic, you shouldn't need to compile it
[03:56] <uchinan> yeah, but it is version 1.1.4
[03:56] <uchinan> 1.3.1 is the latest *quite* a jump
[03:56] <HappyFool> uchinan: otherwise, maybe it means libdotconf -- try 'apt-cache search libdot'
[03:56] <HappyFool> uchinan: *shrug* 1.1.4 works fine for me
[03:57] <HappyFool> uchinan: hm. gaim is not dependent on libdot, so maybe that's wrong
[03:57] <Nevado> uchinan, just use ubuntu backports, that has latest gaim
[03:57] <HappyFool> uchinan: try 'apt-get build-dep gaim' ?
[03:57] <AlexBO> well, maybe i've understood what is the problem. In the cd /tools of the downloaded packages there is the file "umax_pp.c". How I can transform it to a command?
[03:57] <uchinan> ubuntu backports?
[03:57] <Nevado> uchinan, http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[03:57] <penguin42> AlexBO: Which package is it that is part of?
[03:57] <HappyFool> AlexBO: you need to compile the program. There should be a 'INSTALL' or 'README' file telling you how to install the software
[03:58] <HappyFool> AlexBO: also note that sane 1.0.13 is available via ubuntu; you're sure you need 1.0.14 ?
[03:59] <AlexBO> HappyFool: in the readme file there aren't instructions to install it. There is the file "Makefile.in" , but i don't know how to work with "*.in" files
[03:59] <nameless1> i tried suse9.3 before but noticed "slow downs" when using azureus that i didnt get in other distros. Does anyone know if suse is slow, or if i just did a bad instalation beucase ubuntu isnt goin 2 good for me right now and im thinking of goin to suse
[03:59] <HappyFool> AlexBO: probably './configure'
[03:59] <twilight> hello, I've a problem during the upgrade. This is the log:http://phpfi.com/68127 anyone can see it? thanks in advance
[03:59] <AlexBO> penguin42: i've download the packages from the SANE site
[03:59] <HappyFool> AlexBO: however, i recommend using the ubuntu package rather than installing it yourself
[04:00] <penguin42> AlexBO: Oh - why? Ubuntu has sane, and it seems to have the umax_pp driver in
[04:00] <AlexBO> HappyFool: okey, where i can find it? on synaptic?
[04:00] <HappyFool> AlexBO: yip
[04:00] <twilight> I've tried the "--force-overwrite" option, but with no result
[04:00] <HappyFool> AlexBO: in the 'universe' repository -- you may need to enable that
[04:00] <anouar> nope
[04:00] <anouar> :d
[04:01] <klaym> how can I change the default mediaplayer (from totem to gxine) ?
[04:01] <AlexBO> HappyFool: how can i enabled it?
[04:02] <HappyFool> !repositories
[04:02] <ubotu> repositories is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:02] <HappyFool> AlexBO: go to that url
[04:02] <HappyFool> AlexBO: should tell you how
[04:02] <AlexBO> penguin42: i've tried to start X-Sane, but it doen't find a scanner
[04:02] <phaedrus_> hi...
[04:02] <phaedrus_> wopuld someone send me their   fstab  file?
[04:03] <penguin42> AlexBO: Which Umax model did you say it was?
[04:03] <e0f> i've got a sb digital platinum 2, but my ubuntu don't detect it, in what mode i setup it?
[04:04] <AlexBO> penguin42: UMAX Astra Scanner 1220P
[04:04] <comadreja> where do I get libavcodec2 ? ... needed for mplayer-custom
[04:04] <penguin42> AlexBO: Hmm right, that should work - ok, it might be a permission thing, it definitely says oyu might need to be root to get to the parallel port
[04:05] <comadreja> btw HappyFool : how do I report the mplayer bug ?
[04:05] <AlexBO> i've done all on root terminal
[04:05] <uchinan> HappyFool thx...  added the two lines in my sources.list file and now my update manager is having fun
[04:08] <penguin42> AlexBo: So what about something like scanimage -d umax_pp:/dev/parport0
[04:08] <AlexBO> penguin42: [umax_pp_low]  sanei_umax_pp_InitPort cannot use direct hardware access
[04:08] <AlexBO> [umax_pp_low]  if not compiled with --enable-parport-directio
[04:08] <AlexBO> scanimage: open of device umax_pp:/dev/parport0 failed: Invalid argument
[04:09] <e0f> i've got a sb digital platinum 2, but my ubuntu don't detect it, in what mode i setup it?
[04:09] <penguin42> AlexBO: Do you have a /dev/parport0 ?
[04:09] <Nevado> e0f, is it listed in the output of "lspci"?
[04:10] <AlexBO> penguin42: how i can see it?
[04:10] <jsimmons> ya know, i've heard a lot about how bitttorent is so good, but if it's really gonna take four days to download the dvd iso, then I think it pretty much sucks...
[04:10] <penguin42> AlexBO: ls -l /dev/parport0
[04:10] <Nevado> jsimmons, how long has it been downloading?
[04:10] <AlexBO> penguin42: no such files or directories
[04:10] <jsimmons> 3 minutes and i have 1.7mb so far
[04:11] <penguin42> AlexBO: Hmm - neither do I - I wonder how we educate ubuntu about parallel ports?
[04:11] <gorilla_> jsimmons, that depends.. it can get better as you bt client find other chunks for the same file.
[04:11] <Nevado> jsimmons, torrents get faster over time usually, as your client connects to more folks etc
[04:11] <adwait> hello all.....i have DSL 502T D Link ADSL router........well the firmware seems to like on IE, so can't really confiure it in linux.........i couldn't be bothered starting windows everytime, any ideas?
[04:11] <AlexBO> penguin42: well, i don't know...
[04:11] <jsimmons> it took less than 15 minutes to download the install-only iso
[04:12] <jsimmons> (wasn't using bt for that download)
[04:12] <adwait> jsimmons: wow......15 minutes???? how fast is ur connection
[04:12] <penguin42> AlexBO: Hmm - let me have a dig - unless anyone else knows the magic?
[04:12] <jsimmons> i actually don't know - haven't ever checed
[04:12] <jsimmons> checked
[04:12] <rjshade> jsimmons: if your connection is fast enough to download the install iso in 15 minutes, then why not just download the dvd-iso in the same way?
[04:12] <AlexBO> the magic? I think anybody know it
[04:13] <jsimmons> bt has eveidently found another chunk - it's down to 2 days
[04:13] <adwait> should be abt 6-7 Mbit/s
[04:13] <penguin42> AlexBO: I think the first thing is to get Ubuntu to see parallel por t- until then you aren't going to get very far :-)
[04:13] <adwait> anybody care to venture a solution for my problem?
[04:13] <jsimmons> because the mirror allows via bt only and i couldn't find a place that would allow a straight download
[04:13] <rjshade> ah
[04:14] <AlexBO> penguin42: okey, how i can make it?
[04:14] <jsimmons> down to 1 day, 19 hours
[04:19] <penguin42> Bah
[04:22] <kanamor> hola
[04:22] <HrdwrBoB> hey
[04:23] <kanamor> anyone speak spanish here?
[04:23] <HrdwrBoB> not me
[04:23] <jsimmons> nada
[04:23] <kanamor> oki, littleenglish
[04:23] <kanamor> heheh
[04:23] <kanamor> i need a little help with skype
[04:23] <kanamor> hmmmm
[04:23] <comadreja> kanamor :)
[04:23] <comadreja> tell me
[04:23] <jsimmons> Kubuntu DVD iso - 23 days...
[04:24] <jsimmons> hell, they'll release Breezy before that's done
[04:24] <kanamor> i cant speak, and i have intall all alsa driver
[04:24] <kanamor> oki, nice comadreja
[04:25] <eno> my cursors all turned black?  what do I do now?
[04:25] <jsimmons> i'm not impressed with bt at all as far as speed goes
[04:25] <mdke> hi there. I'm upgrading to breezy and I need to force the installation of libx11-6. Can someone tell me how to do this?
[04:25] <geesus> Hey all, in Evolution is it easy to seperate mail accounts without filters? EG having an inbox\sent items\drafts for every account instead of a shared one like it is by default?
[04:26] <jsimmons> i know that thunderbird allows this, but I unsinstalled evolution
[04:26] <geesus> yer I do it with thunderbird at work, but I wanna start using the calendar and all that jizz as well :D
[04:27] <jsimmons> doesn't mozilla make a calendar app?
[04:27] <jsimmons> (i don't know for sure)
[04:27] <mdke> jsimmons, yes but afaik it doesn't integrate with gnome like evolution's calendar
[04:27] <geesus> sunbird
[04:27] <jsimmons> ahhh
[04:27] <geesus> its very... unstable
[04:27] <mdke> anyone help on my breezy upgrade? question is above
[04:28] <geesus> Intergration is my goal
[04:28] <jsimmons> finally, the progress bar for the dvd iso is at 1%
[04:28] <penguin42> jsmi/me wonders why having modprobe'd parport, parport_pc and lp there isn't a parport char device and thus no /dev/parport0
[04:29] <allabulle> hi
[04:29] <arenner> Where is the XF86Config file located?
[04:29] <penguin42> nor is there a device shown in /proc/devices
[04:29] <HappyFool> arenner: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:29] <penguin42> arenner:  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:30] <penguin42> its xorg not XFree
[04:30] <arenner> thanks guys
[04:30] <arenner> haven
[04:30] <HappyFool> penguin42: is it not maybe /dev/lp0 ?
[04:30] <goldfish> it's xfree if it's warty
[04:30] <arenner> havent edited one of these since I used xfree86
[04:30] <Evans> hello all
[04:31] <penguin42> HappyFool: Well I don't seem to have that either, but lp is built on parport as I understand it - and the raw devices (/.dev) has a /dev/parport0 that references major device 99 and thats what AlexB0's scanner docs would have wanted - but I can't get one of those to exist in /dev
[04:31] <penguin42> HappyFool: But I guess until I can get it to show /proc/devices I won't get udev to see it
[04:32] <Evans> penguin42 you wouldent happen to use
[04:32] <Evans> Sagem 800
[04:32] <Evans> ADSL modme would u
[04:33] <G2k> guys does someone know the name of the font used in this screenshot http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=164615191042c7ca5e641a7&m=screen
[04:33] <G2k> look at the gnome-panel
[04:33] <penguin42> Evans: No
[04:33] <Evans> :(
[04:33] <Evans> after 2 days of instaliing Ubuntu i still cant get my modem to work
[04:33] <G2k> I think its the same font windows xp uses....i hate windows but i like the font ;-P
[04:34] <Evans> Windows works in-some categorys better then Linux though...
[04:35] <G2k> true...
[04:35] <Evans> i still having to use windows i really want to get my modme to work but it wont
[04:36] <penguin42> Evans: Is  it a USB one?
[04:36] <Evans> yea
[04:36] <penguin42> nod - bad move; ethernet ones are so much easier
[04:37] <Evans> i mean it detects the modem and everything fine...
[04:37] <Evans> i installed the USB Eagle Drivers
[04:37] <Evans> Perfect...
[04:37] <Evans> i type startadsl
[04:37] <Evans> not fine...
[04:37] <Evans> it says modem not detected
[04:37] <Evans> and the green lite to indicate power is lit
[04:38] <jsimmons> does anyone know when the latest version of Wine (released on Friday) will be in the winehq repository?
[04:39] <lsuactiafner> jsimmons : compile it yourself
[04:39] <jsimmons> don't want to... :)
[04:39] <penguin42> Evans: Thing is with USB modems they all need their own drivers, nice ethernet ones don't need any drivers at all
[04:39] <Evans> ubuntu seems good but it is very annying :@
[04:40] <HappyFool> according to this http://www.sagem.com/index.php?id=182 the sagem 800 is supported under linux
[04:40] <lsuactiafner> heh
[04:40] <Evans> penguin42: etherenet?
[04:40] <lsuactiafner> jsimmons : whats the repository link i need to add to sources for it?
[04:40] <penguin42> Evans: Ethernet DSL modems/routers - much easier
[04:40] <Evans> HappyFool it is
[04:40] <jsimmons> if i needed a modem, i'd use one that connected to serial port
[04:40] <penguin42> jsimmons: DSL modem not old style
[04:41] <Evans> penguin42: it is actually listed... in Device Manager...
[04:41] <eno> how do I make my soundcard work?  I can't listen to an mp3!!!
[04:41] <penguin42> Evans: The listing bit is easy
[04:41] <jsimmons> ahhh
[04:41] <jsimmons> a usb cable modem?  yuk...
[04:41] <Evans> penguin42: but it says when its finsihed... instaliing...
[04:41] <Evans> Configuation #& setup Success
[04:41] <eno> very funny buddy
[04:41] <lsuactiafner> eno : lspci | grep -i audio
[04:42] <Evans> DSP error
[04:42] <Evans> cause it normally works when it boots until it
[04:42] <Evans> comes to hot-plug sytem
[04:42] <Evans> then the ADSL gos and the power one stays
[04:42] <jsimmons> does anyone know how to turn off window effects (like when you minimize and you see a half-assed animation of the window shrinking)
[04:43] <penguin42> (Incidentally - has anyone seen kswapd eating 100% cpu - mine has for the last few days)
[04:43] <lsuactiafner> eno : what? run that command,
[04:43] <lsuactiafner> eno : cant help you unlesss i know what hardware you have
[04:43] <eno> it says multimedia ensoniq etc.
[04:43] <lsuactiafner> eno : but let me read your mind then and tell you to rm -rf /boot then...
[04:44] <lsuactiafner> run alsaconf
[04:44] <eno> alsaconf, ok thanks
[04:44] <lsuactiafner> ..ubuntu doesnt have alsaconf
[04:44] <eno> I found that out :P
[04:44] <lsuactiafner> did you turn your volume levels up?
[04:44] <eno> yeah I get an error when I try to listen
[04:45] <lsuactiafner> once again.. i'll read your mind and determine the error..
[04:45] <penguin42> Evans: So, did you download the drivers off Sagems page or use the ones that come with Ubuntu?
[04:45] <jsimmons> bittorrent really does bite...
[04:45] <eno> it was something like it said it had no decoder for mp3
[04:45] <jsimmons> i feel like I'm on dial-up
[04:45] <HappyFool> jsimmons: good question (re animations) -- nothing obvious under system -> preferences
[04:45] <eno> but come to think of it, I don't think I had sound in forzen bubble either
[04:46] <lsuactiafner> eno : then i image you apt-get install xmms
[04:46] <flodine> anyone know how to merge color with diffrent programs
[04:46] <eno> I did that
[04:46] <lsuactiafner> and it should install a mp3 encoder also
[04:46] <HappyFool> you need to tell xmms to use esd, afaik
[04:46] <jsimmons> i think it's built into the theme
[04:46] <eno> I assume it is something to do with my soundcard in genera;
[04:46] <lsuactiafner> eno : you got mplayer installed?
[04:46] <jsimmons> and gnome ain't too accomodating where theme configuration is concerned
[04:46] <eno> let me see...
[04:46] <goldfish> eno: in prefernces > output plugin , change it to alsa
[04:46] <lsuactiafner> eno : do what HappyFool said.
[04:47] <HappyFool> jsimmons: have you looked at gconf: Applications -> System Tools -> configuration editor
[04:47] <ryan_> anyone here having nvidia problems with AMD kernel 2.6.10
[04:47] <eno> hey I can hear now!
[04:47] <jsimmons> yeah
[04:47] <eno> awesome!
[04:47] <eno> thanks lads
[04:47] <HappyFool> jsimmons: i see an 'enable_animations' under desktop -> gnome -> interface
[04:47] <Seveas> ryan_: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:47] <lsuactiafner> ryan_ : i run 2.6.12 and latest nvidia driver no problems
[04:47] <adwait> can someone help me with router configuration........since i started using the router, i cant use sendmail
[04:47] <HappyFool> jsimmons: hrm. that didn't work
[04:48] <adwait> the mails never reach although they get sent.......
[04:48] <marsh> amiliar with WINE?
[04:48] <jsimmons> see what I mean?
[04:48] <jsimmons> :)
[04:48] <ryan_> yeah I know but the K7 Kernels have lock-ups.  Read that using a 686 kernel fixed them, just wondering if anyone has tried
[04:48] <HappyFool> jsimmons: oh well. now that you've mentioned them i'll probably find them annoying forever
[04:48] <jsimmons> maybe I have to restart X
[04:48] <jsimmons> LOL
[04:48] <Seveas> adwait, you main mails sent to your machine which is now behind a router..?
[04:49] <jsimmons> i can't restart X until these stupid bt sessions are done
[04:49] <eno> oh, what do I do if a program crashes and then I can't end it... is there a program for closing other ones
[04:49] <HappyFool> i thought bt had resume?
[04:49] <lsuactiafner> hi Seveas
[04:49] <Seveas> eno, pkill [programname] 
[04:49] <jsimmons> it might, but it's now worth my time to force the iussue :)
[04:50] <jsimmons> now=not
[04:50] <eno> thanks seveas
[04:50] <Seveas> if it refuses to die with that: pkill -9 [programname] 
[04:50] <marsh> and know why I keep getting an NSIS error? says its having problems with the temp dir... what temp dir? google isn't heelping much and I can't seem to make my win partition permissions allow me r/w access (hoping that it;s the c:/windows/temp dir it';s talking about, but thats #ro and that wont change
[04:50] <Evans> Seveas: i think i found the problem with my ADSL modem
[04:50] <Seveas> Evans, OMG!
[04:50] <Seveas> nice :)
[04:50] <Seveas> What is it?
[04:50] <jsimmons> it's a usb modem - :)
[04:50] <Evans> at the boot..
[04:50] <eno> wow that is awesome!  I have the power!
[04:51] <Seveas> eno, lol :)
[04:51] <Evans> it starts up fine the ADSL & Power light are on-line
[04:51] <Evans> but then Hot-Plug starts up and takes the ADSL away
[04:51] <marsh> anyone? wine technicians anyone?
[04:51] <Evans> and i tried a printer on the USB plug today and it recongises it
[04:51] <Seveas> Evans, hmm, have you determined already which module kicks out the ADSL..?
[04:52] <Seveas> eno, if you feel like experimenting: kill -9 -1
[04:52] <jsimmons> how do i comine mpg's into a single file?
[04:52] <Seveas> that'll kill all processes from the user whu runs it
[04:52] <goldfish> jsimmons: is it porn?
[04:52] <eno> ok
[04:52] <Evans> Sev
[04:52] <goldfish> jsimmons: cat file1 file2 file3 > name.mpg
[04:52] <Evans> Seveas: what should i do now
[04:52] <jsimmons> no - family movies converted from vhs into a bunch of little files
[04:53] <jsimmons> (my little sister is pretty much useless when it comes to computers
[04:53] <lsuactiafner> goldfish : thats somewhat ugly, avimerge
[04:53] <eno> ok, and how do I mount a hard drive?
[04:54] <marsh> c'mon - i still having no joy - theres gotta be a WINE junky in here somewhere...
[04:54] <lsuactiafner> eno : sata or ide?
[04:54] <Seveas> Evans, somehow one module loaded by hotplug screws up your adsl, you will need to find out which and add the name of that module to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[04:54] <lsuactiafner> and what filesystem type
[04:54] <eno> ide I think
[04:54] <eno> it is a separate controller
[04:54] <lsuactiafner> marsh : paste me a link to latest wine cvs source
[04:54] <Evans> Seveas: how will i find it out
[04:54] <Evans> ?
[04:55] <Seveas> Evans, no idea, really
[04:55] <Seveas> try lsmod | grep usb
[04:55] <Seveas> and paste that on the pastebin
[04:55] <Evans> explain in english plz Seveas
[04:55] <lsuactiafner> eno : mount /dev/hda /mnt/mount_point is the command, but hda might be hdb depends on how many ide disks you got
[04:56] <lsuactiafner> and mkdir /mnt/mount_point
[04:56] <eno> in knoppix it was called hde1
[04:56] <lsuactiafner> then it should be hde1
[04:56] <lsuactiafner> !kernel
[04:57] <lsuactiafner> whats the command for wiki on how to compile a kernel?
[04:57] <eno> is there a way I can list what is in dev so I can figure out what to mount?
[04:57] <Seveas> Evans, in the terminal you type: lsmod | grep usb
[04:57] <lsuactiafner> !kernelcompile
[04:57] <ubotu> lsuactiafner: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:57] <Seveas> evane|work, and than the output of that on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:57] <Seveas> eno, fdisk -l
[04:57] <Seveas> lsuactiafner: You can find compilation instructions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[04:58] <marsh> lsuactiafner, sorry mate.... I noob, and i dont understand what is/how it works  (CVS)
[04:58] <eno> thanks
[04:58] <toresbe> !kernelcompile is <reply> You will probably find info about this at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[04:58] <ubotu> toresbe: okay
[04:58] <Seveas> ubotu kernelcompile is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[04:58] <ubotu> ...but kernelcompile is already something else...
[04:58] <lsuactiafner> ubotu : its larger than your brain
[04:58] <ubotu> lsuactiafner: I don't know, could you explain it?
[04:58] <toresbe> Seveas: thanks :)
[04:58] <Seveas> !kernaelcompile
[04:58] <ubotu> Seveas: Are you smoking crack?
[04:58] <Seveas> !kernelcompile
[04:58] <ubotu> You will probably find info about this at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[04:58] <Seveas> hmm
[04:58] <eno> oh crap!  It is NTFS and it wont go...
[04:58] <lsuactiafner> heh thanks
[04:58] <Evans> Seveas: Private Msg
[04:59] <lsuactiafner> ryan_ : http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[04:59] <Seveas> Evans, I have that on ignore (I get unsollicited pm's from too many people), please ask in here
[04:59] <HappyFool> fwiw, wiki seems to redirect to https always
[04:59] <marsh> lsua - if I just downloaded wine now, does that mean I have the latest cvs source?
[04:59] <lsuactiafner> lol
[04:59] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[04:59] <eno> ok I think it finds the device, but it says the dir in /mnt doesn't exist.  can I just create that and it will work?
[04:59] <Evans> alright seveas
[05:00] <Evans> wanna know what it actually says...
[05:00] <Evans> when i installed
[05:00] <Seveas> yes...
[05:00] <lsuactiafner> marsh : nope, means you got latest stable release
[05:00] <lsuactiafner> i dont have bandwidht to go lokoin for source
[05:00] <lsuactiafner> but will go chek now anyways
[05:00] <Evans> well i installed it
[05:00] <klaym> how can I change the default mediaplayer (from totem to gxine) ?
[05:00] <Evans> it says at the top plug in your USB modem...
[05:00] <Evans> i did so
[05:00] <esno> Hey.. somebody in here who'd like to help me fixing my little sound-problem? :D
[05:00] <eno> how do I create a directory :$
[05:00] <Evans> waited 30 secounds like it told me to do in the forum,
[05:00] <djp> can anybody tell me why theora playback using totem-gstreamer is jerky? avi files are fine.
[05:01] <Evans> then i installed it with clicking on and selecting Tiscali UK [UK01] 
[05:01] <HappyFool> esno: what's the problem?
[05:01] <Evans> i enterd my dsl name:
[05:01] <Evans> richard.evans1991@tiscali.co.uk
[05:01] <eno> I am mounting but it says the directory doesn't exist in /mnt
[05:02] <eno> so I figure if I make the directory it will work
[05:02] <lsuactiafner> man i got so little bandwidth i got a 13s lag to irc..
[05:02] <marsh> lsuactiafner, is this http://source.winehq.org/ what your after?
[05:02] <eno> wow I think I did it
[05:03] <marsh> lsuactiafner,  is there anything I can do to help? can I d/l and send it direct to you? will that make things faster?
[05:03] <lsuactiafner> yeh good link
[05:03] <eno> Boo YEAH!  Thanks.
[05:03] <lsuactiafner> heh no thanks, will get it now, am on a 5k/s dialup but its saturated with 4 other downloads
[05:03] <esno> I just installed Ubuntu and, well, my sound isnt working. To be exact: the sound is more or less playing, but I cant actually hear it. Example: The Volume-Meter "displays" the music that's playing, but I cant hear. I'm using a "Terratec Phase 22".
[05:04] <HappyFool> esno: have you looked at your volume settings ? double-click on the speaker next to the clock
[05:04] <esno> The thing is, I'm using the digital-out. When I was using Windows, I had this little programm where I could change the outputs (digital / analog), but I cant use this tool in Ubuntu.
[05:05] <HappyFool> esno: ah
[05:05] <HappyFool> esno: try maybe 'alsamixer' in a terminal
[05:05] <esno> Yeah, the volume's turned up, but as soon as I close the Volume-settings, the settings vanish.
[05:05] <kiks> heja
[05:05] <HappyFool> esno: afaik alsamixer lists every channel linux on your soundcard linux knows about
[05:05] <HappyFool> esno: you don't have two soundcards or anything like that?
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> esno,  the mixer prog - proberly has a toggle to enable the digital out.
[05:06] <lsuactiafner> goin to wait like 40 minutes for the site to open
[05:06] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[05:06] <rjshade> guys, on the subject of soundcards, how do i tell ALSA to use my Soundblaster Live! card rather than the onboard NForce audio?
[05:06] <Dr_Willis> ive never heard of a "Terratec Phase 22" however.. so who knows how well alsa supports it.
[05:07] <Dr_Willis> rjshade,  disable the other in bios is the best way.  :P or edit the alsa config files.
[05:07] <esno> 1. I disabled my onboard-soundcard, so, yeah, I only use the Phase 22. 2. Well, alsa won't display an option regarding the digital out. It's just saying "Multi Tr" (Multi Track Peak)
[05:07] <adwait> :p
[05:07] <adwait> evans: whts wrong?
[05:07] <arenner> my resolution is stuck at 640x480, but my xorg.conf is set to display 1024x768, any ideas?
[05:07] <Dr_Willis> arenner,  check the monitor settings in tht file?
[05:07] <Evans> Ubuntu is just to hard for me to install ADSL
[05:07] <rjshade> ok cool, I'll give the BIOS a shot in a few minutes
[05:07] <rjshade> thanks
[05:07] <adwait> arenner: xorg.conf contains the possible resolution.to actually select go to sys>pereferences>screen resolution
[05:07] <lsuactiafner> Read 7.1 KiB of data, 337 KiB/sec.
[05:07] <marsh> hehehe.. tha's dedication for ya!
[05:08] <adwait> Evans: how are u trying to connect? with a router?
[05:08] <arenner> Dr_Willis: Monitor settings only calls out DPMS, You think I am being forced to 640x480 because of lack of vert and horiz sync?
[05:08] <HappyFool> esno: you know that you can use the left-right arrow keys to view other channels in alsamixer ?
[05:08] <Dr_Willis> esno,  this is on a "shuttle" system?
[05:09] <Dr_Willis> arenner,  hmm.. sounds odd to me..  could cheat and try a Knoppix Live CD. and copy its config over. If it works. Or use it as a start.
[05:09] <esno> Willis: No, I'm not using a shuttle-system. Happyfool: Yes, I do. But there are like 7 options to choose from and ever single of them says "Multi Tr"
[05:09] <esno> Maybe there's someting wrong with the driver installed?
[05:10] <HappyFool> esno: hrm. i have 'Master' and 'Master Mono' and many, many more
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> esno,  this a Nforce4 motherboard? - seeing a lot of google hits on it. :P
[05:10] <esno> Wait, I'll take a screenshot. Just for a better understanding.
[05:10] <esno> Willis: Nah, I have a "ASUS P4C800"
[05:11] <eno> so if I am wanting access to my own hard drive, but it says I dont have permission, can I add that somehow.  It belongs to root.  do I sudo something?
[05:11] <HappyFool> eno: this is ntfs/fat ?
[05:11] <HappyFool> eno: try "-o umask=000" in the mount command, or in the fstab options field
[05:11] <eno> ntfs :P
[05:11] <eno> my old data drive from windoze
[05:11] <adwait> eno: in fstab edit the gid and uid settings
[05:12] <eno> you both lost me
[05:12] <adwait> eno: can u write to the disk as root?
[05:12] <HappyFool> eno: 'sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=000 /dev/he1 /mnt/windows'
[05:13] <esno> HappyFool: Here you go: http://img270.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alsa8qm.png
[05:13] <eno> I have to unmount it first I think... any hints as to how to do that?
[05:13] <goldfish> eno: umount
[05:13] <HappyFool> sudo umount /mnt/windows
[05:13] <adwait> eno: sudo umount /dev/hd1
[05:14] <goldfish> hda1
[05:14] <goldfish> :)
[05:14] <adwait> right
[05:14] <adwait> :)
[05:14] <eno> device is busy?
[05:14] <eno> oh I am in that directory
[05:14] <adwait> aah
[05:14] <jsimmons> is there a site that allows me to download the ubuntu and kubuntu dvd images without using bittorrent?
[05:15] <HappyFool> eno: you catch on quick ;)
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> you really dont need to download them both. :P
[05:15] <HappyFool> esno: hrm. i take you don't really have a 'ICEnsemble ICE1724' ?
[05:15] <adwait> jsimmons: www.ubuntulinux.org.........check the mirrors
[05:15] <HappyFool> esno: i.e., that's not another name for your card?
[05:15] <jsimmons> the mirrors don't allow downloads without using shittorrent
[05:15] <lsuactiafner> marsh : http://winehq.org/site/download-deb
[05:16] <lsuactiafner> source install it
[05:16] <adwait> jsimmons: cant be.........i downloaded via normal http
[05:16] <djp> is ogg theora playback slightly choppy at the omment under totem-gstreamer?
[05:16] <marsh> jsimmons only the dvd image forces bittorrent use
[05:16] <jsimmons> exactly
[05:16] <adwait> aah
[05:16] <jsimmons> i want the dvd iso files
[05:16] <marsh> lsuactiafner, will that resolve the issue with it not being able to access/use the temp dir?
[05:16] <eno> HAHA!  awesome... thanks again
[05:17] <eno> this is the most helpful irc ever
[05:17] <adwait> lol
[05:17] <lsuactiafner> no ide
[05:17] <adwait> :)
[05:17] <lsuactiafner> never used wine before
[05:17] <lsuactiafner> but think i will give it a shot
[05:17] <esno> HappyFool: I'm not sure, but asking google ("ICE1724" "Phase 22") earns me some hits.
[05:17] <marsh> lsau - and do you know any reason why I cant get write acces to my windows dir?
[05:17] <kenny> hi guys
[05:17] <lsuactiafner> marsh : ntfs?
[05:17] <esno> I didn't change the driver, the one that's installed at the moment, is out of the box.
[05:17] <kenny> marsh what is thefilesystem ntfs
[05:17] <marsh> lsua - or even better - how to backup a copy of my dvd's without wine?
[05:18] <marsh> lsua - no - vfat
[05:18] <marsh> lsuactiafner, vfat
[05:18] <marsh> kenny vfat
[05:18] <kenny> you hav to change the permissions on the fstab file
[05:18] <lsuactiafner> vobcopy
[05:18] <adwait> marsh: can u write as root?
[05:18] <marsh> if it were ntfs i could understand
[05:18] <HappyFool> esno: hrm: http://www.euclideanspace.com/tech/pc/shuttle/setup/sound/
[05:19] <Evans> sorry power-cut
[05:19] <HappyFool> esno: i don't know what version of alsa hoary has
[05:19] <marsh> no
[05:19] <adwait> Evans: ok
[05:19] <kenny> marsh this is what i have  /dev/hdb5       /media/swapdisk   vfat     defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[05:20] <kenny> im able to right as root and as a user
[05:20] <HappyFool> esno: ah, but i see alsamixer is 1.0.8 -- not sure alsamixer version tracks alsa's, but it seems likely
[05:20] <marsh> hang on, i'll try that, kenny
[05:21] <esno> I think I'm using ALSA 1.2.10 (that's what XMMS says).
[05:21] <kenny> k
[05:21] <esno> HappyFool: Well, the link you gave me. I'm def going to check that one out.
[05:21] <kenny> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[05:21] <kenny> you will need to remount
[05:21] <adwait> marsh: i think u should edit the uid
[05:21] <kenny> umount /a
[05:21] <kenny> - or i think its umount -a
[05:22] <Evans> this is a good online game site
[05:22] <Evans> www.spacetrace.org
[05:22] <Evans> :P
[05:22] <HappyFool> esno: hrm. http://www.alsa-project.org/ says latest alsa is 1.0.9b, so xmms must be talking about something else
[05:22] <terasurfer> Does anybody know how to restore basic keyboard shortcuts in gnome?
[05:22] <terasurfer> I accidentally hit delete while modifying a shortcut, and now the old delete binding is gone
[05:22] <Kyral> Okay
[05:23] <Kyral> now I'm lazy
[05:23] <kenny> tera click system then prefrences then keyboard shortcuts
[05:23] <Kyral> I made the Windows Keys shortcuts to Workspace 1 and 2
[05:23] <marsh> guys - do i have to shutdown to make fstab re-read
[05:23] <marsh> ?
[05:23] <lsuactiafner> lol
[05:23] <lsuactiafner> good idea
[05:24] <kenny> marsh just type umount -a
[05:24] <lsuactiafner> i use my mouse scroll wheel tho to flip em
[05:24] <HappyFool> esno: also, 1.0.9 was only released in 27 May -- it wouldn't be in hoary
[05:24] <terasurfer> kenny: there aren't any basic settings in there, just multimedia and stuff
[05:24] <kenny> then type mount -a
[05:24] <lsuactiafner> hey Seveas
[05:24] <HappyFool> esno: i'm guessing your card isn't supported
[05:24] <Evans> hey seveas
[05:24] <Evans> wb
[05:24] <kenny> tera have you tried the ubuntuforums.org
[05:24] <esno> HappyFool: But I think I updated some of the alsa-stuff, using the package manager.
[05:24] <jsimmons> grrrrrrrrr
[05:24] <HappyFool> esno: oh?
[05:24] <HappyFool> esno: from where? backports?
[05:24] <terasurfer> kenny: yup, nothing useful (yet)
[05:24] <kenny> lol
[05:25] <Seveas> hi
[05:25] <Seveas> ty
[05:25] <kenny> have you looked through gnome help
[05:25] <esno> HappyFool: Uh, what? Backports? I'm confused.
[05:25] <jsimmons> i just google the iso file, and every damn hit uses torrent...
[05:25] <terasurfer> hah...well when i click the help button in the keyboard shortcut manager, it appears to be an unimplemented action command
[05:26] <kenny> jsimnons backports are programs that you dont get from ubuntu servers
[05:26] <HappyFool> esno: ubuntu 'main' or 'official' doesn't do feature-upgrades within a release
[05:26] <jsimmons> i'm referring to the distro iso's...
[05:26] <HappyFool> esno: so i find it unlikely that you can have alsa 1.0.9
[05:26] <jsimmons> specifically the dvd iso's
[05:26] <kenny> srry that comment was for esno
[05:26] <jsimmons> k
[05:27] <azol> hi all. How can I replace "2 dog's" "3 dog's" "4 dog's" and so on with "my 2 dog's" "my 3 dog's" "my 4 dog's" in a whole file with a help of vim? :%s/???/???/g
[05:27] <jsimmons> they should call this crap "dial-up-torrent"
[05:27] <esno> HappyFool: Seems like I need a little tool called "Envy24Control" (this one: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa/ftp/others/envy24control/). Could you help me to install it?
[05:27] <esno> Okay, thanks Kenny. So the programm I need (check the link) is a backport?
[05:27] <HappyFool> esno: i can try
[05:27] <kenny> esno have you tried debian unstable debs
[05:27] <gm78> Does anyone here use Limewire?
[05:28] <esno> Cool! Thanks. :D
[05:28] <kenny> i have limewire pro
[05:28] <esno> Uh, I'm not sure, kenny. Sorry.
[05:28] <HappyFool> lo JDahl
[05:28] <inemo> and me kenny
[05:28] <marsh> ok guys - no joy :(.... how do i tell for sure what fs the partition is?
[05:28] <kenny> if i can find the package i want i usally try using packages from debian unstable
[05:29] <PotsyGr> Hello all.
[05:29] <kenny> gm78 i have limewire pro
[05:29] <kenny> hi potsygr
[05:29] <gm78> kenny: what does limewire not understand about disconnect? :-P i specifically clicked disconnect last night but left the program running, wake up this morning, and its uploaded 4 GBs and now my ISP is going to charge me for it
[05:29] <inemo> gm78: way you ask?
[05:29] <esno> Kenny: Wow.. that sounds quite.. hard.. to do. :/
[05:29] <kenny> lol, did u disable the sharing option
[05:30] <marsh> kenny - I can now write to the drive as root, but cannot change the permissions for user access... wont let me write?!?!
[05:30] <kenny> enso it isnt, i think the url is packages.debian.org me thinks
[05:30] <gm78> kenny : had it set to max 10 KB/s, so how it uploaded 4 GBs while it was supposed to be disconnected baffles me
[05:30] <Seveas> marsh, fdisk -l
[05:30] <kenny> you search the site for the packages u want and download them
[05:30] <marsh> fdisk -l
[05:30] <terasurfer> kenny: just FYI...i fixed it by re-defining my keyboard layout
[05:31] <HappyFool> esno: i will happily help you try to install this, but i suspect you need alsa 1.0.9
[05:31] <kenny> gm78 ur better of just disableing the sharing option in limewire, that way you wont get sued
[05:31] <kenny> cool tera
[05:31] <PotsyGr> So heres the deal, I am completely new to linux (oh no I am a Newbi), and just downloaded the Ubunto 5.04 iso, I am about to burn the disk, and was wondering if there is anything I should know before I install the distro on my system?
[05:31] <marsh> anything to do with fdisk says it cannot open /dev/hda - is this because it's using it (to run this ubuntu)?
[05:31] <Seveas> azol, s/\(\d\ dog's\)/my \1/"
[05:32] <Seveas> marsh, sudo fdisk -l
[05:32] <marsh> Aaahhh.. bollox... I'm late for working... shit...
[05:32] <kenny> POtsyGr partition ur drive before hade, cause the partitioner that comes with unbuntu isnt that easy (for me anyways
[05:32] <gm78> kenny: why does it matter tho? if i click disconnect it should disconnect, no uploads or downloads, thats how kazaa, bearshare, and well...every other p2p program works. im using the beta, do u think it might be a bug? I tried reporting it, but their bugzilla is down
[05:32] <PotsyGr> ok
[05:32] <esno> HappyFool: Okay, I'll do everything you ask me to. It's just.. I'm not that good with Ubuntu (only using it for like 2 days). :/
[05:32] <Evans> could it be my modem isnt working becuase ubuntu didnt install fully
[05:32] <kenny> it could be a bug gm78
[05:32] <PotsyGr> any specific format on the partition?
[05:32] <kenny> gm78 never use beta software
[05:33] <marsh> yeah - it is vfat... but i gotta go... thanks gents, have to carry this on later... 5 hours and i'm still at square one!!! lol
[05:33] <marsh> still..
[05:33] <esno> HappyFool: Where can I get the 1.0.9? The Package Manager only lists 1.0.8
[05:33] <marsh> c'est la vie...
[05:33] <gm78> anyways, enough complaining from me. I'm not too happy with Limewire lately, other than gtk-gnutella, does anyone know of any good p2p clients for Linux
[05:33] <gm78> ?
[05:33] <kenny> gm78 i could give you my copy of limewire
[05:33] <Poromies> gm78: have you tried bittorrent?
[05:34] <HappyFool> esno: i'm not sure that it's that easy
[05:34] <Poromies> or amule?
[05:34] <xoz> gm78: are you using limewire pro?
[05:34] <HappyFool> esno: alsa, afaik, is part of the linux kernel
[05:34] <kenny> bittorrent is brilliant
[05:34] <kenny> yes i am
[05:34] <kenny> i use the windows version
[05:34] <esno> HappyFool: Well, I'd do it. It just, would you help me? :D
[05:35] <HappyFool> esno: um. upgrading kernels is major pain, high risk, death-defying, etc. (at least in my opinion ;)
[05:35] <gm78> kenny: what do u mean? do u mean give me ur license for pro? dont they track that kind of stuff?
[05:35] <gm78> poromies : i dont care for amule, i use azureus, i like bittorrent for some things, but i like the feel of a traditional file-sharing program
[05:35] <xoz> !u
[05:35] <ubotu> U mag wel 'je' zeggen, hoor.
[05:35] <HappyFool> esno: i'm glancing through backports now to see if they have alsa
[05:35] <kenny> no they dont
[05:35] <gm78> Poromies: actually....hold on, which protocol does amule use, edonkey?
[05:36] <esno> HappyFool: Okay, thank you very much. :)
[05:36] <Poromies> gm78: yeps
[05:36] <gm78> kenny: whats the difference between limewire basic and pro?
[05:36] <kenny> nothing really, except you will have the full speed of your connection and more results in your searches
[05:37] <gm78> Poromies: is it a pain to set up like the traditional edonkey client. thats one thing i liked about limewire, install the rpm/deb, click the icon and it works.
[05:37] <xoz> gm78: do you think they will charge pro if it's not superior?
[05:37] <jsimmons> how do i adjust my bittorrent settings?
[05:37] <gm78> xoz: well i know that :-P I'm just asking what specifically is different
[05:37] <xoz> gm78: better connection and more search results
[05:38] <kenny> why do you want to adjust ur bittorrent settings
[05:38] <gm78> xoz: how do they do that? they dont run the gnutella network, so do they purposely limit something in limewire basic?
[05:39] <kenny> limewire basic has a limit of 25kbs i thin
[05:39] <kenny> think
[05:40] <gm78> kenny: no, that cant be true. i was downloading something last night at 80 kb/s....its rare, but i do get downloads that fast sometimes
[05:40] <kenny> Are ubuntu developers going to fix the HAl or do i have to wait for Badger
[05:40] <sobersabre> highvoltage, i have a synaptics touchpad. i can't make 2finger tap to be right click... how do i do it ?
[05:40] <_death> yo i installed nvidia-glx with kynaptic but its not working
[05:40] <kenny> gm78 im only saying what iv heard and what iv read on there site
[05:41] <kenny> _death u have to enable it
[05:41] <lsuactiafner> this software patents vote, why aint the whole of freenode organising things to fight it?
[05:41] <gm78> _death: did u edit your x config file?
[05:41] <HappyFool> esno: alsa-1.0.9 is not obviously available on backports
[05:41] <_death> no how do i?
[05:41] <kenny> _death type sudo nvidia-glx-config enable in a terminal
[05:41] <gm78> _death : remove dri from the modules section and change device "nv" to device "nvidia" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:42] <Evans> :)
[05:42] <highvoltage> sobersabre: there's some stuff that you have to put into xorg.conf
[05:42] <highvoltage> hold on... i'll put it on paste
[05:42] <gm78> _death: then log out, ctrl+alt+backspace, and it should be working
[05:42] <kenny> _death type "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" in a terminal
[05:42] <esno> HappyFool: So, shall I try to install Envy24Control?
[05:42] <gm78> kenny: oh, lol, i didnt know u could do that. ive been doing it the long way then
[05:42] <kenny> lol
[05:42] <HappyFool> esno: i'm not sure. Seveas, you around?
[05:43] <kenny> gm78 u still have to do that with the Official nvidia drivers but for the Ubuntu ones its sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:43] <highvoltage> sobersabre: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/382
[05:44] <gm78> kenny: oh, lol, ive just been isntalling the ubuntu ones and then editing the x config file
[05:44] <gm78> kenny: oh well, worked anyways :P
[05:44] <kenny> lol
[05:45] <HappyFool> esno: ok, let's try this envy24 thing
[05:45] <kenny> I still cant my Tv to work with Nvidia, im just waiting for a easy script to do it for me
[05:45] <HappyFool> esno: I've downloaded version 0.0.4 from that page
[05:45] <esno> HappyFool: Same here. Already downloaded.
[05:45] <gm78> kenny: u mean ur tv out? isnt there supposed to be like nvtv or some program like that to do it for u?
[05:46] <HappyFool> esno: ok, make a 'build' directory in your home folder: mkdir ~/build
[05:46] <kenny> i tried nvtv, i think its for people who use the default drivers with ubuntu
[05:46] <HappyFool> esno: let's take this to private. If seveas returns, ask him about alsa 1.0.9
[05:46] <kenny> TvOut support is the only thing i need to do for ubuntu, i have everything else working to my likeing
[05:47] <gm78> kenny: according to synaptic's description of nvtv it works with both the official 3d drivers and the open source nv drivers
[05:47] <kenny> yea
[05:47] <eno> does shareaza work on ubuntu?
[05:47] <kenny> might give it a try again sometime later on
[05:47] <gm78> kenny: which nvidia card do u have?
[05:47] <gm78> eno: never even heard of it. is there a linux version of it?
[05:47] <kenny> gm78 i have a Geforce FX 5600
[05:48] <gm78> kenny: i have a geforce fx 5200. I was actually thinking of trying to get tv-out working (never even touched it before). if ig et it working ill let u know if ur on here
[05:49] <eno> I dunno
[05:49] <HiFi_dk> hi... is it possible to modify the predefined AT commands that kppp sends ?
[05:50] <tyler> goldfish, I was having problems getting passed 1024x768 but now ive seemed to get it to 1152x864
[05:50] <tyler> how do i get to 1600x1200
[05:50] <eno> yeah it is not on linux.  is there a filesharing app for linux that does many protocols?
[05:52] <goldfish> tyler: u got an nvidia card?
[05:53] <kenny> tyler you will need to install the proper drivers for your gpu then edit your xorg
[05:53] <tyler> yes i do
[05:53] <tyler> but
[05:53] <tyler> i tried installing drivers
[05:53] <tyler> and it failed
[05:54] <tyler> saying i dont have a kernal or kernal interface
[05:54] <kenny> install the kernal headers
[05:54] <tyler> ill have to go see which ones i dont have
[05:54] <tyler> be back in a few
[05:54] <kenny> first find the kernal version your using then apt-get the headers for it
[05:55] <Ofun> anyone else having an awfully slow connection to archive.ubuntu.com?
[05:55] <tyler> kenny, im a noob so I have no clue what you're talking about(sorry just installed linux last night
[05:55] <Ofun> my apt-get dist-upgrade is slower than usual (on a cable connection - downloaded the liveCD iso at ~500kbps)
[05:56] <gbhat> anyone have an idea why sound is misbehaving on my hoary box? I can hear system sounds but not audio from songs
[05:56] <gbhat> via82xx onboard sound
[05:56] <HappyFool> gbhat: what application?
[05:56] <gbhat> vlc media player
[05:57] <HappyFool> erk. don't know that. anyway, you probably have to tell it to use esd
[05:57] <HappyFool> oh, and you need to install mp3 codecs
[05:57] <HappyFool> !restricted
[05:57] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:57] <gbhat> yeah I have all the codecs installed
[05:57] <comadreja> HappyFool !
[05:57] <HappyFool> hey comadreja
[05:57] <comadreja> I made it
[05:57] <Ofun> gbhat: what types of files are you trying to play?
[05:57] <gbhat> wma
[05:57] <comadreja> HappyFool : I mean, having all three sounds esd, alsa and oss
[05:58] <Ofun> gbhat: have you tried using mplayer instead?
[05:58] <HappyFool> comadreja: huh. this is with you recompiled mplayer?
[05:58] <gbhat> Ofun, yeah same result
[05:58] <comadreja> HappyFool : but for some weird reason I don't get the tam-tam on gdm
[05:58] <comadreja> HappyFool : nopes, it was libesd-alsa0
[05:58] <Ofun> gbhat: did you try it on the command line? if you haven't, try that and see what the error output is.
[05:58] <comadreja> HappyFool : plus esd
[05:59] <comadreja> HappyFool : with one small asound.conf
[05:59] <cwillu> newb question:  I've got a file called 'HH20050703 T9641389 No Limit Hold'em  $1 + $0.20.txt'.  How do I cat this from the command line?)
[05:59] <comadreja> HappyFool : and another small esd.conf
[05:59] <Ofun> cwillu: put backslashes in front of each special character (space, dollar sign, etc)
[05:59] <cwillu> I thought I did
[06:00] <Ofun> eg: cat This\ Is\ My\ File\$
[06:00] <cwillu> I _think_ the dollar sign is doing something weird
[06:00] <gbhat> Ofun, i get this A:  -0.3 (00.-2) ??,?% 0%
[06:00] <Ofun> gbhat: there should be more output than that if you're having an error.
[06:00] <gbhat> no errors from VLC
[06:00] <cwillu> Notably, I don't get tab completion for the file either
[06:01] <Ofun> cwillu: what shell are you using? bash?
[06:01] <cwillu> bash I believe
[06:01] <gbhat> Ofun, it stops there. I also get a message about extra_face and fonts missing
[06:01] <cwillu> default terminal
[06:01] <cwillu> HH20050703\ T9641389\ No\ Limit\ Hold'em\ \ $1\ +\ $0.20.txt is how 'dir' quotes it
[06:01] <Ofun> cwillu: that should work.
[06:01] <gbhat> bah!!I have had enough issues with Ubuntu regarding sound. What a royal pain
[06:02] <cwillu> if I type cat HH20050703\ T9641389\ No\ Limit\ Hold'em\ \ $1\ +\ $0.20.txt, it goes to a > prompt
[06:02] <cwillu> hmm
[06:03] <cwillu> okay, the dollars signs needed quoting as well, as you said
[06:03] <Ofun> cwillu: so that worked?
[06:03] <hmrocha> Hello
[06:03] <cwillu> must have missed the second one the first time,,, thanks
[06:03] <Ofun> cwillu: np.
[06:03] <hmrocha> Colony-2 is out, is it safe to use Breezy now?
[06:04] <Ofun> so no ideas on my slow apt-get dist-upgrade?
[06:04] <robotgeek> yeah, is it safe to use breezy?
[06:04] <Ofun> i get great speeds downloading isos from the ubuntu site...
[06:04] <robotgeek> i want to get the Network Manager goodness!
[06:04] <hmrocha> I'm using breezy repositories because i need some programs like mono
[06:05] <hmrocha> But I didn't upgrade all of my system.
[06:05] <hmrocha> At home I dist-upgraded and i fucked up my ubuntu instalation.
[06:05] <hmrocha> Now that colony-2 is out, i'll try at home.
[06:06] <tyler> goldfish, it couldnt find the kernal source tree
[06:06] <tyler> how do i find it?
[06:06] <lsuactiafner> tyler : kernel.org
[06:06] <Tyler> ok
[06:06] <Tyler> thx
[06:06] <sensayshun> Can anyone help me get the demo of ut2004 working, I've installed it all fine, I load it up, get the splash screen, but then the splash screen disappears and I get left on the desktop
[06:06] <lsuactiafner> there is apt-get for it
[06:07] <lsuactiafner> i just dotn know what
[06:07] <Tyler> whats an apt get
[06:07] <kenny> sensayshun have you installed you gpu drivers
[06:07] <cwillu> simple answer is that unless you're okay with completely braeking your system and have the ability to troubleshoot with a broken system (i.e., you're not dependant on it), then no
[06:07] <lsuactiafner> sensayshun : it does that to get your hopes up
[06:07] <sensayshun> kenny: yes i'm on an ati radeon 9600pro
[06:07] <lsuactiafner> Tyler : apt-get downloads software automatically for you
[06:07] <robotgeek> then, i guess I will wait for a while
[06:07] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> Tyler: system > administration > synaptic package manager
[06:07] <sensayshun> lsuactiafner, i'm so new to linux just managing to download it got my hopes up plenty :P
[06:08] <Tyler> ok
[06:08] <kenny> i dont think Unreal can run using ATI cards
[06:08] <Tyler> now i gotta find the kernel
[06:08] <Tyler> on windows it can
[06:08] <Tyler> no clue about linux
[06:08] <robotgeek> ubuntu is the only distro which works "out of the box" on my powerbook, so I think I will stick to hoary for now
[06:08] <sensayshun> kenny: argh! :( that sucks majorly
[06:08] <kenny> something about graphic compression only found on nvidia cards
[06:08] <nalioth> Tyler: the seach function works well in synatpic
[06:08] <Tyler> ;o
[06:08] <Tyler> thx
[06:08] <Tyler> :)
[06:09] <sensayshun> kenny, will doom3 work?
[06:09] <kenny> R u using the latest drivers
[06:09] <Tyler> kernel package or kernel wedge?
[06:09] <sensayshun> kenny, yes i am
[06:10] <robotgeek> does anybody here know what I need to do to get video out working?
[06:10] <kenny> I dont see why they shouldnt work
[06:10] <adwait> hello Tyler.......still having fun with the resolution? ;)
[06:10] <Tyler> hola
[06:10] <Tyler> and i think i got the driver problem figured
[06:10] <Tyler> ill brb gotta exit x and all that poo
[06:11] <adwait> hehe.......good luck
[06:11] <robotgeek> do i need to mess with my xorg? or are there programs which help you to do that...i keep hearing about xinerama
[06:11] <adwait> robotgeek: u coulr try xorgconfig
[06:12] <kenny> sensayshun have tried asking in the ubuntu gaming forum
[06:12] <robotgeek> adwait: okie, so use xorgconfig to get external display?
[06:13] <adwait> robotgeek: umm.....i wasnt paying attention to the room for a while....so brief me on ur problem will ya?
[06:14] <robotgeek> okie...
[06:14] <robotgeek> i am trying to get tvout on my powerbook
[06:14] <sensayshun> kenny, no i havn't this is the only forum i know how to get onto :P
[06:14] <robotgeek> adwait: the external display,i mean
[06:14] <kenny> lol
[06:14] <kenny> ill get the address for u
[06:14] <cwillu> so why can't I make that work from python?
[06:14] <jsimmons> "we took that top layer of chickens off slicker'n scum on a Lousianna swamp"  - CW McCall is funny as hell
[06:15] <tyler> didnt work
[06:15] <tyler> i installed the kernel package
[06:15] <tyler> and says im still missing the thing
[06:15] <robotgeek> adwait: i dunno if it;s supported, or there's a patch for it somewhere
[06:15] <robotgeek> adwait: would you know? :)
[06:15] <adwait> robotgeek: ok ....so ur trying to get the display on ur tv? is tht right?
[06:15] <sensayshun> tyler, sorry I joined this discussion half way through, what are you trying to do?
[06:15] <nalioth> tyler: kernel source?
[06:16] <robotgeek> adwait: yeah, pretty much get the display out on my tv...that way i can watch dvd's on there!
[06:16] <adwait> robotgeek: so u disconnect ur monitor and connect the tv in its place?
[06:16] <tyler> install my gfx drivers sensayshun
[06:16] <tyler> and nalioth i installed the package
[06:16] <tyler> not source
[06:16] <tyler> could not find source
[06:17] <robotgeek> adwait: sorry, let me start off from the beginning!
[06:17] <robotgeek> adwait: i have a powerbook laptop running ubuntu
[06:17] <adwait> k...
[06:17] <sensayshun> tyler, for ati or nvidia?
[06:17] <tyler> nvidia
[06:17] <tyler> its saying im missing kernal source tree
[06:17] <sensayshun> tyler, can't help ya there, sorry
[06:17] <tyler> ;o its ok
[06:18] <robotgeek> adwait: there are two types of video ports there...
[06:18] <adwait> tyler: whn did u get into compiling ur kernel and stuff? in the morning (last night ur time i guess) u were trying to install the drivers with sh.......
[06:18] <robotgeek> adwait: one is a dvi out, which can be used to connect to the tv, other is a normal video out port which can be used to connect external monitors and displays
[06:19] <tyler> yeah i was
[06:19] <robotgeek> adwait: they don't work out of the box on ubuntu(nor on any linux distro)
[06:19] <tyler> and someone told me today to install the kernel source
[06:19] <adwait> robotgeek: i see......off hand i dont quite know either....but ill try and find out
[06:19] <robotgeek> adwait: i wanted to find out if anybody else had managed to do something funky abt it!!
[06:20] <tyler> when i went to install the video drivers adwait, it says im missing a kernal source tree
[06:20] <Tsukasa> robotgeek, are you using the mesa drivers or custom ones?
[06:21] <robotgeek> Tsukasa: i am not sure, how do i find out.
[06:21] <robotgeek> Tsukasa: i havent recompiled anything (yet!)
[06:21] <kenny> does anyone know how to conver SVCD to MPEG2 in linux, al lthe program iv used in windows dont work
[06:21] <adwait> robotgeek: try this http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2005/03/msg00641.html/........ill brb
[06:22] <Tsukasa> you can find out using glxinfo and spot the "OpenGL vendor string" I think
[06:22] <robotgeek> Tsukasa: brb!
[06:23] <thechitowncubs> Hey everyone, I have an iRiver h320 and i need a way to sort my music by the artist name in seperate folders based on the letter. What should I look for to accomplish this?
[06:23] <SysFail> can anybody verify that doing the upgrade to kde 3.4.1 will end the konqeror crashes?
[06:23] <nalioth> kenny: dvdrip
[06:23] <robotgeek> Tsukasa: it says mesa!
[06:23] <nalioth> kenny: have you searched using synaptic or packages.ubuntu.com?
[06:24] <nalioth> SysFail: i upgraded and have had no trouble
[06:24] <SysFail> did you have those crashes before nalioth ?
[06:24] <adwait> ok back
[06:24] <robotgeek> adwait: thanks for the link, never saw this...
[06:25] <nalioth> SysFail: yes, it crashed occasionally
[06:25] <Tsukasa> robotgeek, is the screen plain black or totally messed up on tvout?
[06:25] <HappyFool> nalioth: don't suppose you have any tips on getting alsa 1.0.9 running on hoary ?
[06:25] <robotgeek> Tsukasa: I havent done anything yet, i just wanted to get prepared first!
[06:26] <nalioth> HappyFool: i don't even know what alsa is
[06:26] <HappyFool> nalioth: linux sound system
[06:26] <HappyFool> nalioth: i'll take that as a 'maybe' ;)
[06:27] <robotgeek> Tsukasa: I read somewhere that i could close the lid laptop after turning it on,would turn on the external display
[06:27] <kenny> happyfool why do you want alsa 1.0.9 installed anyway
[06:27] <HappyFool> kenny: i don't, but i think esno's card is only supported in 1.0.9
[06:27] <Tsukasa> robotgeek: Yeah, I read that too
[06:27] <robotgeek> Tsukasa: but, my powerbook would not boot..which was quite surprising :)
[06:27] <Tsukasa> hehe
[06:28] <HappyFool> kenny: according to this page: http://www.euclideanspace.com/tech/pc/shuttle/setup/sound/   support for terratec phase 22 was added in 1.0.9
[06:29] <robotgeek> Tsukasa,adwait : i will try recompiling xorg, this seems like it might work!
[06:30] <thechitowncubs> Hey everyone, I have an iRiver h320 and i need a way to sort my music by the artist name in seperate folders based on the letter. What should I look for to accomplish this?
[06:30] <robotgeek> Tsukasa,adwait : it mentions a patch for my video card, so i will try it!
[06:30] <robotgeek> Tsukasa,adwait : thanks!!
[06:31] <Tsukasa> ;)
[06:31] <adwait> robotgeek: npp.....goodluck
[06:31] <nalioth> HappyFool: have you gotten the source for it?
[06:31] <Seveas> thechitowncubs, is the artist name in the file name..?
[06:32] <HappyFool> nalioth: no
[06:32] <BlueSummer> lo all
[06:32] <HappyFool> nalioth: hoary has alsa 1.0.8
[06:32] <othernoob> Seveas: do you know a program like gspot for linux?
[06:32] <othernoob> or how to get it to work in wine.
[06:32] <HappyFool> Seveas: don't suppose you have any ideas about installing alsa 1.0.9 on hoary?
[06:32] <Seveas> what's gspot other than the place my girlfriends seems to like a lot..?
[06:32] <nalioth> HappyFool: you have asked, so let's get started >>> get the source
[06:32] <Seveas> HappyFool, you're right :)
[06:32] <HappyFool> nalioth: it's esno, not me actually ;)
[06:33] <robotgeek> Seveas: it's a program which tells you which codecs have been used to encode a media file!
[06:33] <HappyFool> nalioth: i can do the ./configure && make && make install dance, but I thought someone might have specific tips
[06:33] <BlueSummer> Can anyone tell me how to change the computer name? (Made a mistake during installation lol...)
[06:33] <othernoob> lol Seveas: gspot is a prog that'll give you information about media files like like codec used, bitrate..and so on
[06:33] <HappyFool> nalioth: tips like "Don't do it, your system is sure to self-destruct"
[06:33] <ws006> halo.boleh kenalan
[06:34] <nalioth> HappyFool: i recommend using "checkinstall" instead of "make install" (it keeps your system cleaner)
[06:34] <Seveas> robotgeek, mpg321 might be able to tell
[06:34] <HappyFool> checkinstall?
[06:34] <adwait> BlueSummer: System>Administration>Networking
[06:34] <adwait> General tab
[06:34] <HappyFool> nalioth: ta
[06:34] <robotgeek> Seveas: i dunno, never had to use it...
[06:34] <Seveas> robotgeek, on ubuntu, use: mpg321 -o esd
[06:34] <BlueSummer> adwait, ty
[06:35] <Njal_> anyone know about fsck and reiserfs?
[06:35] <adwait> bluesummer: np
[06:35] <adwait> Njal_: wht abt them?
[06:35] <robotgeek> Seveas: i mostly convert all the files to .avi, and then watch on ubuntu! no codec hell!
[06:35] <zetor> hello!
[06:35] <Seveas> robotgeek, objections agains a little flood in PM?
[06:35] <adwait> hello zetor
[06:35] <Seveas> ah .avi
[06:35] <Seveas> mpg321 is only for audio
[06:35] <robotgeek> Seveas: :)
[06:36] <Njal_> Um well i have had to uncleanly umount my drives and i have errors on my File system what's the command to use fsck for reiser?
[06:36] <Njal_> As my normal shutdown -rF now hasn't fixed the problems
[06:36] <kenny> reiser dosnt have a fsck
[06:36] <Njal_> y not?
[06:36] <Evans> -i
[06:36] <kenny> because it smarter than NTFS
[06:37] <adwait> umm.......i thought reiser is a journalled FS and it aotu recovers data
[06:37] <adwait> *auto
[06:37] <Njal_> Ok are you telling me it self heals?
[06:37] <Seveas> ehm, reiser has fsck too
[06:37] <adwait> i think thts wht i read..........not sure though.......never used it
[06:37] <Seveas> especially handy since reiser craps out heavily if it craps out...
[06:37] <bhna> Njal_: reiserfsck
[06:38] <Seveas> fsck.reiserfs / fsck.reiser4
[06:38] <bhna> Njal_: check man reiserfsck
[06:38] <Njal_> how do i execute it? like so shutdown -r reiserfsck?
[06:38] <Blue_Summer> !repositories
[06:38] <ubotu> I heard repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:39] <nalioth_wrkn> HappyFool: i recommend ./configure && make && sudo checkinstall    for all your install needs (fromm source)
[06:39] <ceu> k3b should be launched using sudo?
[06:39] <Amaranth> there
[06:39] <Amaranth> stupid thing
[06:39] <bhna> ceu: no
[06:39] <HappyFool> nalioth_wrkn: great. am looking at checkinstall now
[06:39] <Njal_> can i run this reiser check on a mounted file sytem?
[06:39] <HappyFool> nalioth_wrkn: problem is that old alsa (1.0.8) will still be around
[06:41] <Tyler> well
[06:41] <Tyler> ...
[06:41] <ceu> bhna: but cdrecord & cdrdao need root rights
[06:42] <Njal_> how do i execute reiserfsck?
[06:42] <Njal_> It needs to be on an umounted file system
[06:42] <gbic> I have a question for the masses...I am using AppGate to tunnel into work, it uses loopback in brrowser to goto OWA (Outlook Web...) when I try to connect to https://127.0.0.1 I get an error saying "Connection was refused"
[06:43] <Amaranth> gbic: It's either not running or on another port
[06:43] <gbic> It is running, I assure you
[06:43] <adwait> gbic: try nmap localhost to see if the https port is open
[06:43] <gbic> if it wasnt I would be at my work fixing the server
[06:44] <gbic> adwait it isnt
[06:44] <adwait> 443
[06:44] <adwait> u running apache2?
[06:44] <Njal_> reiserfs on umounted file system, how?
[06:44] <Njal_> fsck
[06:45] <Amaranth> Njal_: If the partition isn't mounted just running fsck on it should work
[06:45] <beginnerMKII> Hi guys, ive just installed Ubuntu on an old computer, I am trying to get an external alcatel speedtouch Wanadoo ADSL broadband modem installed from the cd-rom provided, ive read the helpfile and it only mentions installing to XP or macOS, i am new to linux and when i try and open most of the files from the cd including setup.exe i get "Couldn't display /media/cdrom0/exe/Dr.SpeedTouch/setup.exe", any idea's guys? Is it possible?
[06:45] <adwait> Njal_:if u r asking the command...no idea? if u are asking how to unmount.......sudo umount /dev/whtever
[06:45] <adwait> beginnerMK11L: the CD won't work.....
[06:45] <gbic> I dont have apache running no
[06:45] <Tsukasa> beginnerMKII, maybe you shouldn't try to install windows drivers on linux
[06:45] <beginnerMKII> lol
[06:46] <beginnerMKII> I thought that might be it
[06:46] <adwait> beginnerMK11: try their site for linux.........
[06:46] <Njal_> No the default fsck is for ext3 and the command for that would be sudo shutdown -rF now, however i have reiserfs and that requires a special command
[06:46] <adwait> beginnerMKII: how do u connect in windows? do u know if it uses PPPoE or PPPoA?
[06:46] <gbic> How can I get it to listen on localhost 443
[06:46] <beginnerMKII> It mentions something on installing for some linux platforms but i cannot find where in the helpfile
[06:46] <Njal_> reiserfsck /dev/hd**
[06:47] <beginnerMKII> I'm not sure to be honest, it refers to "PPoE and PPPoA" in the installing on macOS though, its foreign to me :-/
[06:47] <Tsukasa> since it's wannadoo i guess PPPoE
[06:47] <JavaOnLinux> Hi all, I have problems playing sounds in ubuntu.  My sound is working for normal gnome windows events but when I play movies in totem or other players, it doesn't play, any help?
[06:47] <matt_> Does anyone know how to get a ATI x800 pro video card working in Ubuntu 5.04
[06:47] <beginnerMKII> So you guys suggest i check out the site then?
[06:47] <matt_> Please need help
[06:47] <narkceh> matt_: i know
[06:47] <Tsukasa> beginnerMKII, yep
[06:47] <matt_> sweet
[06:47] <matt_> can you help please
[06:48] <Tsukasa> matt_: There's a nice shellscript for installing it
[06:48] <narkceh> shellscript?
[06:48] <kyncani> JavaOnLinux: you using totem-xine or totem-gstreamer ?
[06:48] <Tsukasa> ya, found it on ubuntuforums, it downloads the correct drivers, repacks them and moves necessary files an creates symlinks
[06:48] <Tsukasa> very handy
[06:48] <JavaOnLinux> kyncani, xine
[06:48] <Tsukasa> all you've left to do is to edit your xorg.conf
[06:49] <narkceh> cool, where to get it?
[06:49] <matt_> where can I get that shellscrpit
[06:50] <jamey3> I have setup NFS on my main Ubuntu machine and installed the NFS server/client package on another Ubuntu machine. How do I connect and access files on each one? Browsing the network doesn't include "NFS".
[06:50] <Tsukasa> I'll upload it since I don't find the thread ^^;
[06:50] <JavaOnLinux> I heard that sometimes sound cannot be worked for multiple apps because the device is locked, but I forgot what to do to enable that capabiilty
[06:50] <kyncani> JavaOnLinux: i thought xine was able to autodetect esd and use it, try opening your movie with xine
[06:50] <ompaul> uchinan, please turn off that notification there are only 466 people in the channel
[06:51] <kyncani> JavaOnLinux: that's why i use esd, so that multiple apps can play sound at the same time
[06:51] <JavaOnLinux> kyncani, ic
[06:52] <eno> somebody tell me a good file sharing program please?  I cant find any in the synaptic package manager
[06:52] <adwait> !bored
[06:52] <ubotu> adwait: Wish i knew
[06:52] <matt_> how can you help tsukasa
[06:53] <adwait> !Wha'tsUbuntu
[06:53] <ubotu> adwait: I give up, what is it?
[06:53] <adwait> lol
[06:53] <Tsukasa> matt_: http://phpbnc.sourceforge.net/desktoparama/index.php?action=downloadfile&filename=ati_install.sh&directory=Tsukasa&
[06:53] <jamey3> Does anyone know how to browse NFS network shares? Thank you in advance.
[06:54] <matt_> how do I install that now
[06:54] <Tsukasa> you copy it into your personal folder
[06:54] <Tsukasa> and do sudo sh ati_install.sh
[06:54] <Tsukasa> and follow the instructions
[06:54] <matt_> k
[06:54] <adwait> jamey3: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=209908#post209908 try this
[06:54] <matt_> i'll try one sec
[06:54] <beginnerMKII> "Embedded firmware for linux users"??? - help me out here guys...
[06:54] <Tsukasa> (does only work for x86 and x86-64)
[06:55] <ompaul> beginnerMKII, emm help out how?
[06:55] <matt_> oh thanks a lot for the help
[06:55] <matt_> is this a general script for all versions of ubuntu
[06:55] <Tsukasa> no problem ^^
[06:55] <adwait> beginnerMKII: tht means some software on the router/modem itself which connects to the net
[06:55] <Tsukasa> well, I used it on hoary and hoary64 and it worked fine both times
[06:56] <beginnerMKII> So i can install it after all on ubuntu ???
[06:56] <adwait> beginnerMKII: u can just visit the ip of the router and configure it..maybe
[06:56] <matt_> I wounder it someone knows how to install a logitech mx 1000 mouse
[06:56] <matt_> cool
[06:56] <beginnerMKII> I will look into it...
[06:56] <JavaOnLinux> kyncani, xine works
[06:56] <Tsukasa> whats the matter with the mouse?
[06:56] <adwait> beginnerMKII: I dont really know.........wht kind of router are u using? paste a link to the place where u r reading this.....
[06:56] <Tsukasa> extra buttons not working?
[06:57] <JavaOnLinux> kyncani, o....now totem works too, cool, thanks a lot
[06:57] <beginnerMKII> http://www.speedtouch.com/driver_upgrade_lx_3.0.1.2.htm
[06:57] <flodine> anyone use xdefault here
[06:57] <kyncani> JavaOnLinux: ;))
[06:57] <beginnerMKII> I have just installed Linux on old computer and wondering if possible to get net connection, i am beginner so know little
[06:57] <kyncani> JavaOnLinux: as a side note, i've never liked totem and much prefer gxine (but that's a matter of taste)
[06:58] <skel_> i just install breezy
[06:58] <skel_> hmmm
[06:58] <HappyFool> hrm. i can't use fakeroot with checkinstall ?
[06:58] <skel_> not that big of a change
[06:58] <sean_> anyone know how i can remove the titlebar and borders from a window with gnome?
[06:58] <flodine> skel where do i get breezy from
[06:58] <sean_> (like xmms)
[06:58] <adwait> beginnerMKII: It points to http://sourceforge.net/projects/speedtouch/ to download the drivers.......give it a shot
[06:58] <skel_> i got it from the site
[06:58] <skel_> the installiation disk
[06:59] <beginnerMKII> Cool, thanks , will do **wanders off to get lost in myriad of confusion **
[06:59] <skel_> search google for Ubuntu breezy download
[07:00] <kyncani> meh, nwn segfault :(
[07:00] <Blue_Summer> Anyone know where i can get a kick ass thing that makes my boxes transparent? lol
[07:00] <goldfish> Blue_Summer: Oi.
[07:00] <goldfish> Blue_Summer: I told you yesterday :)
[07:01] <matt_> tsukasa how do I finish off the rest of the install
[07:01] <Blue_Summer> goldfish,  ahh but i have a short memory span ;)
[07:01] <Tsukasa> matt_, you open a terminal
[07:01] <matt_> k
[07:01] <Tsukasa> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:01] <Tsukasa> and follow the instructions given by the script
[07:01] <matt_> You must manually configure /etc/X11/xorg.conf however, and
[07:01] <matt_> then reboot.
[07:02] <Tsukasa> you've a x800 you said?
[07:02] <matt_> yes
[07:02] <Echelon-H> hi
[07:03] <adwait> echelon-h: hello
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> i have no sound
[07:04] <kenny> bluefox have you tried turning up the volume
[07:05] <solar_ant> hiiiii
[07:05] <flodine> skel how is breezy running
[07:06] <Discipulus> DVD playback is kinda choppy
[07:06] <eno> how do I find out my ip adress?  I want to set up a network.
[07:06] <adwait> bluefox: since installation? or since u did something?
[07:06] <Discipulus> same with the audio
[07:06] <Discipulus> how do I fix that?
[07:06] <Tsukasa> Discipulus, check if you're using xv
[07:06] <Tsukasa> without xv playback is _really_ choppy
[07:06] <lsuactiafner> Discipulus : also, make sure dma is enabled
[07:06] <spola> how do i set it up so ubuntu uses my CPU for "noble causes" when im not doing stuff ?
[07:07] <goldfish> LOL
[07:07] <lsuactiafner> hdparm -d 1  /dev/cdrom
[07:07] <pedingto> lol
[07:07] <lsuactiafner> but dont play with hdparm
[07:07] <goldfish> spola: what noble causes?
[07:07] <lsuactiafner> its dangerous
[07:07] <lsuactiafner> but
[07:07] <Discipulus> Tsukasa, sv?
[07:07] <lsuactiafner> Discipulus : might make things faster
[07:07] <Discipulus> Tsukasa, xv rather?
[07:07] <Tsukasa> I'd always go with xv
[07:07] <lsuactiafner> spola : FAH@home
[07:07] <spola> i heard about curing cancer and finding aliens n stuff
[07:07] <Echelon-H> can anyone help me with some hardware problem (not linux specific)?
[07:07] <Discipulus> Tsukasa, what's xv?
[07:07] <goldfish> spola: em, are u joking?
[07:08] <Tsukasa> an accelerated media layer
[07:08] <lsuactiafner> spola : cancer ->> http://folding.stanford.edu
[07:08] <toshiba_> Is anyone here using XFCE on top of ubuntu?
[07:08] <Echelon-H> toshiba_, me
[07:08] <adwait> echelon-h: ask away........theres gotta be someone who can help
[07:08] <lsuactiafner> but aliens is a waste of time
[07:08] <solar_ant> hey
[07:08] <spola> thx
[07:08] <lsuactiafner> radio waves travel too slow in space
[07:08] <spola> yeah i wasnt going to do the alien stuff
[07:08] <flodine> anyone running breezy
[07:08] <solar_ant> how do i login as root
[07:08] <solar_ant> in ubuntu ?
[07:08] <Tsukasa> solar_ant, sudo su
[07:09] <toshiba_> Echelon-H, how did you get to the "network interface" panel (if there's such a thing)..
[07:09] <adwait> solar_ant: theres no root acc in ubuntu
[07:09] <Echelon-H> Well when the boot comes up, It says something like Fixed Disk 0..... and I have to pres F1 to resume (Intel G850GB Motherboard). It seems that everytime it happens i can't playback from my DVD, but when it doesn't i can.
[07:09] <solar_ant> then how do i configure the system ?
[07:09] <Echelon-H> toshiba_, no clue what you're talkign about, sorry
[07:09] <adwait> solar_ant: use sudo
[07:09] <Tsukasa> sudo nano this, sudo nano that
[07:09] <adwait> or......try Applications>System Apps>root terminal
[07:09] <Tsukasa> or sudo su
[07:09] <Discipulus> what's xv?
[07:09] <adwait> *system tools
[07:10] <toshiba_> Echelon-H, How do you set your network interface cards in XFCE?..
[07:10] <solar_ant> its asking for the passwor
[07:10] <solar_ant> when i type it says
[07:10] <Tsukasa> Discipulus, you know this really fast media thing in windows?
[07:10] <solar_ant> some error
[07:10] <adwait> enter ur password
[07:10] <Tsukasa> direct media or something
[07:10] <adwait> solar_ant: enter the user pass there....and u should ge tin
[07:10] <Echelon-H> toshiba_, then again, i don't have a clue what you're talking about. soory im kinda noob
[07:10] <Discipulus> Tsukasa, no
[07:10] <solar_ant> it says
[07:10] <Tsukasa> well Discipulus , think of it as the turbocharger for playing media files on linux
[07:10] <solar_ant> child terminated with error status 1
[07:10] <Discipulus> Tsukasa, what's the command to get it and use it?
[07:11] <Tsukasa> well, it gets installed along with your system
[07:11] <Discipulus> alright, how do I use it?
[07:11] <Tsukasa> you can look if it's working by typing "xvinfo" in a terminal
[07:11] <adwait> solar_ant: try rebooting and try.......tht error generally goes away
[07:11] <adwait> awfuully window esque :p
[07:12] <Tsukasa> a little sidenote: when you get lots of crappy informations you don't need for screen 0 but nothing for screen 1 this means you can use xv only on screen 0
[07:12] <beginnerMKII> I have gone to format a floppy and i am getting "Cannot initialise device, The device /dev/floppy/0 or dev/fd0 is disconnected Please attach device to continue.
[07:12] <solar_ant> i tried
[07:12] <Discipulus> alright, what's screen 0 and screen 1?
[07:12] <solar_ant> adwait
[07:13] <solar_ant> doesnt help
[07:13] <beginnerMKII> What does that mean??  ...
[07:13] <Discipulus> I don't even see "screen 1" on xvinfo
[07:13] <Tsukasa> well, screen 0 is the thing you stare it
[07:13] <adwait> solar_ant: hmm.....well if the password is wrong it would hv said so...it doesnt sat child process terminated etc etc....
[07:13] <Tsukasa> screen 1 can be a secondary monitor or tv out
[07:13] <Tsukasa> depending on your config
[07:13] <Discipulus> ah, alright
[07:14] <Tsukasa> as long as it doesn't say "no adaptors found" xv should work
[07:14] <Discipulus> it's still moving kinda choppy
[07:14] <solar_ant> child process terminated
[07:14] <adwait> anybody else .....any idea abt this?
[07:14] <Discipulus> well, sound is, dvd isn't
[07:14] <solar_ant> no thats the password i logged in with
[07:14] <Tsukasa> Discipulus, try to use ALSA for sound
[07:14] <solar_ant> it aint wrong for sure
[07:14] <adwait> gksudo giving chuld process terminated
[07:14] <Tsukasa> btw, what media player do you use?
[07:15] <goldfish> vlc
[07:15] <Discipulus> Tsukasa, how do you configure totem to use alsa?
[07:15] <Discipulus> or how do you use alsa instead of esd?
[07:15] <eno> will fdisk -l show my usb storage device as well?
[07:15] <Tsukasa> well, I wouldn't use totem in the first place
[07:15] <Tsukasa> try totem-xine
[07:15] <Tsukasa> or use gxine
[07:15] <goldfish> eno: it should if it's connected
[07:15] <Tsukasa> the best mediaplayers imho
[07:15] <goldfish> vlc is !
[07:15] <goldfish> :)
[07:16] <anne> hello :)
[07:16] <Tsukasa> ya, vlc and xine are #1
[07:16] <anne> I'm new to ubuntu
[07:16] <Tsukasa> but I like xine a _bit_ more ;)
[07:16] <anne> How can I remove/add items into the gnome menu ?
[07:16] <eno> thanks!
[07:16] <Tsukasa> anne, by using "smeg"
[07:16] <Proteque> I must say I prefer mplayer over both of them.
[07:16] <Discipulus> wow, gxine works a lot better
[07:16] <Discipulus> audio isn't choppy anymore
[07:16] <Discipulus> thanks
[07:16] <Tsukasa> :)
[07:16] <anne> Tsukasa, thnaks
[07:16] <flodine> skel you in
[07:17] <Tsukasa> well, vlc in hoary64 isn't so nice because of the fullscreen matter
[07:17] <Tsukasa> that's why I prefer xine
[07:17] <solar_ant> is there anyone who knows whats the problem ?
[07:18] <kenny> problem for what
[07:18] <HappyFool> solar_ant: you're having sudo problems? what happens when you run sudo from the command line?
[07:18] <Discipulus> hmm, how do you set what's in the Gnome application paneL/
[07:18] <solar_ant> sude what ?
[07:18] <Tsukasa> Discipulus, the answer is "smeg" again :)
[07:18] <solar_ant> sudo what ?
[07:18] <Discipulus> smeg?
[07:18] <Tsukasa> it's a menu editor
[07:18] <kenny> Discipulus download and install menu-editor for gnome
[07:19] <adwait> solarsolar_ant: ok well......try sudo -i
[07:19] <Tsukasa> but the problem with smeg is that it fubars your menu sometimes
[07:19] <adwait> tht will give u a root terminal
[07:19] <HappyFool> solar_ant: perhaps i jumped the gun -- what is your problem ?
[07:19] <kenny> run smeg as sudo
[07:19] <solar_ant> solar is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[07:19] <kenny> i do that with menu-editor
[07:19] <solar_ant> thats what it says
[07:19] <solar_ant> and solar is my usewr name
[07:19] <goldfish> solar_ant: any other accounts on the system?
[07:19] <beowu1f> any dell m70 users here?
[07:19] <adwait> solar_ant: whts the first user created on this system?
[07:20] <goldfish> dell i8600 ....
[07:20] <HappyFool> solar_ant: what does 'id -u' say?
[07:20] <robotgeek> haha, looks like now the battle has moved on to media players, from the traditional emacs vs vi discussions!
[07:20] <HappyFool> robotgeek: hah! i bet i could watch dvd's in emacs.
[07:20] <HappyFool> maybe via aalib
[07:21] <robotgeek> HappyFool: sure, emacs is a great OS...i was thinking of dualbooting....
[07:21] <kenny> the best media players are Totem-xine and Beep media player
[07:21] <Tsukasa> vlc with ascii renderer!!!!!!!11
[07:21] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[07:21] <robotgeek> kenny: i like mp3blaster
[07:21] <lsuactiafner> i also run mp3blaster
[07:21] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[07:21] <goldfish> robotgeek: it rocks.
[07:21] <lsuactiafner> it rocks!
[07:21] <goldfish> you guys use cplay?
[07:21] <costoa> what emacs really needs is a good text editor =)
[07:22] <nameless1> i was doin a tutorial to add more codecs to totem, anyway... the very last line was     ls -s /usr/local/lib/codecs/*      and i get what they were tryin to do, tryin to get everythin in that dir listed in some file or something..... anyway i get a error it says when making multiple links the last argument must be a directory,  any advice for a noob?
[07:22] <goldfish> cplay is a great cli audio player.
[07:22] <robotgeek> costoa: you can get that by putting in the vi compatibility mode!
[07:22] <costoa> I've seen it. too funny.
[07:22] <anne> Tsukasa, I test smeg and I hide some menus but there are always into my gnome menu, why ?
[07:22] <HappyFool> nameless1: you must have typed 'ln -s', not 'ls -s'
[07:23] <anne> I run update-menu fater but it's the same
[07:23] <nameless1> happyfool, i thought u were right for a second but its got ln in my shell history
[07:23] <Tsukasa> anne: killall gnome-panel or try to restart gnome
[07:23] <HappyFool> nameless1: ... so do you want ln or ls ?
[07:23] <robotgeek> Tsukasa: is there really such a thing? :)
[07:23] <nameless1> nameless1@ubuntu:~/.gnome2/totem-addons$ ln -s /usr/local/lib/codecs/*
[07:23] <nameless1> ln: when making multiple links, last argument must be a directory
[07:24] <HappyFool> nameless1: is ln the correct command, from the tutorial?
[07:24] <Tsukasa> robotgeek: the vlc ascii renderer? I've seen it
[07:24] <nameless1> i know what ls is i dont know what ln is, the tutorial said to use ln
[07:24] <HappyFool> nameless1: if so, try 'ln -s /usr/local/lib/codecs/* .'
[07:24] <Tsukasa> a friend of mine was using it to watch matrix
[07:24] <Tsukasa> he said it's the best running gag ever
[07:24] <nameless1> its meant to add codecs to the vid thing totem
[07:24] <anne> Tsukasa, ok I deconnect.... bye :)
[07:24] <HappyFool> nameless1: 'ls' is used to list files in a directory
[07:24] <beowu1f> goldfish: using pci experess card?
[07:24] <robotgeek> :)
[07:24] <HappyFool> nameless1: 'ln' is used to create symbolic links
[07:24] <nameless1> ahh thanx
[07:25] <goldfish> beowu1f: nope :/
[07:26] <nameless1> i was usin ln and the tutorial said to use ln but its not workin im doin EXACTLy what it says to do over on wiki.ubuntu
[07:26] <nameless1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo?highlight=%28codec%29
[07:27] <sean_> anyone know how i can remove the titlebar and borders from a window with gnome?
[07:27] <sean_> (like xmms)
[07:27] <HappyFool> nameless1: what isn't working?
[07:27] <robotgeek> hey..cplay is nice, it handles spaces in filenames better than mp3blaster
[07:27] <nameless1> its meant to make a list of lots of files
[07:27] <nameless1> and it isnt
[07:28] <robotgeek> though, it seems to messup on audio!
[07:28] <nameless1> could it be becuase i forgot to put the * on the 1st time i hit enter?
[07:28] <XhyldazhK> Hi all
[07:28] <HappyFool> nameless1: possibly. you need to be exactly correct when entering these commands
[07:28] <XhyldazhK> I dist-upgraded to breezy, but I cannot find nvidia-glx and thus I have not gfx accel... waht should i do?????
[07:28] <adwait> hi <wierd name i couldnt possibly type>
[07:28] <jamey3> How do you browse NFS shares on Ubuntu? Thanks, jamey
[07:28] <XhyldazhK> hi adwait
[07:28] <HappyFool> XhyldazhK: you should probably not run breezy if you don't want problems
[07:29] <Tsukasa> topic says it all
[07:29] <nameless1> nameless1@ubuntu:~/.gnome2/totem-addons$ ln -s /usr/local/lib/codecs/*
[07:29] <nameless1> ln: when making multiple links, last argument must be a directory
[07:29] <nameless1> nameless1@ubuntu:~/.gnome2/totem-addons$
[07:29] <HappyFool> nameless1: you need to add a . at the end
[07:29] <nameless1> that looks exactly correct to me...
[07:29] <XhyldazhK> HappyFool, I like to mess around with things, if I didn't liked it, I were running windows, I like cutting edge
[07:29] <HappyFool> XhyldazhK: then you should like figuring out how to install the nvidia driver ;)
[07:29] <nameless1> it made a dir called *.
[07:29] <nameless1> that cant be right
[07:30] <HappyFool> nameless1: it's not. on the wiki there's a period at the end
[07:30] <XhyldazhK> HappyFool, I know... download it from nvidia and blah blah blah... but there isn't a ubuntu deb with it anymore?
[07:30] <HappyFool> nameless1: the exact command is "ln -s /usr/local/lib/codecs/* ."   <- there's a space between * and .
[07:30] <ceu> /usr/bin/cdrdao should be root:root 0755 or root:cdrom 4754 (like debian) ?
[07:30] <nameless1> i trid both
[07:30] <HappyFool> XhyldazhK: not a clue, sorry
[07:30] <nameless1> i have tried that too....
[07:31] <nameless1> oops
[07:31] <nameless1> sry
[07:31] <nameless1> lol
[07:31] <Principe_azzurro> O_O
[07:31] <Principe_azzurro> salve
[07:31] <nameless1> im new :P
[07:31] <Principe_azzurro> me too
[07:31] <Principe_azzurro> :)
[07:31] <nameless1> today i took 1 brave step... and deleted windows :)
[07:31] <beginnerMKII> Congrats :-)
[07:31] <nameless1> neva gona install it again...
[07:32] <adwait> *appplauds
[07:32] <eno> so about that filesharing program, any ideas?   I would like something that does gnut I guess
[07:32] <robotgeek> eno: emule?
[07:32] <adwait> eno: how abt gift
[07:32] <Principe_azzurro> ahahah nameless1 good work :)
[07:32] <Principe_azzurro> you shoul have done it before
[07:32] <Principe_azzurro> :)
[07:32] <jamey3> How do you browse NFS shares on Ubuntu? Thanks, jamey
[07:33] <goldfish>  /win 13
[07:33] <eno> gift?
[07:33] <eno> thanks
[07:33] <eno> where do I find it in package manager?
[07:33] <adwait> eno: yeah.........giftoxic is the GUI frontend for it
[07:34] <adwait> u can apt-get it
[07:34] <jamey3> Can someone help me?
[07:34] <kenny> ill try to help jamey3
[07:34] <adwait> jamey3: apparently not
[07:34] <geneo93> i need a hardware expert
[07:34] <goldfish> jamey3: whats wrong?
[07:34] <jamey3> kenny, thanks
[07:34] <jamey3> here:
[07:34] <jamey3> How do you browse NFS shares on Ubuntu? Thanks, jamey
[07:34] <jamey3> I thought it would be mighty simple
[07:34] <kenny> ohh dear im screwed i dont know
[07:35] <kenny> i think you have to install samba
[07:35] <sensayshun> Does anyone know how I get glxgears to show my fps?
[07:35] <Tsukasa> yeah, you need samba first
[07:35] <kenny> that deals with all that netwroking sharing stuff
[07:35] <HappyFool> sensayshun: run it from the command line
[07:35] <kenny> am i right Tsukasa
[07:35] <Tsukasa> after that you can access the computers by smb://computername/share
[07:35] <geneo93> run it from terminal
[07:35] <Tsukasa> yes you are
[07:35] <kenny> Gold star for kenny
[07:35] <sensayshun> HappyFool, what would be the command for that sorry?
[07:35] <kenny> *
[07:36] <HappyFool> sensayshun: glxgears
[07:36] <jamey3> Tsukasa, but I thought Samba was for Windows exclusively?
[07:36] <sensayshun> happyfool, thanks :)
[07:36] <jamey3> Tsukasa, isn't NFS almost native to most Linux distros?
[07:36] <solar_ant> no other id in the system
[07:36] <Tsukasa> samba handles everything, even the universe itself :)
[07:36] <solar_ant> and it was created just few days ago
[07:36] <solar_ant> and also
[07:36] <jamey3> lmao
[07:36] <jamey3> Tsukasa, really?!?
[07:36] <Tsukasa> I'm pretty sure
[07:36] <othernoob> mmh, when i try to reboot or turn my pc off, my screen just goes black and then stops. any idea what could be wrong?
[07:36] <Tsukasa> ;)
[07:37] <solar_ant> sudo -i says
[07:37] <solar_ant> solar is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[07:37] <HappyFool> solar_ant: what does 'id -u' say?
[07:37] <kenny> othernoob i think it something to do with ACPI or somesomthing like that
[07:37] <adwait> solar_ant: who was the first user created
[07:37] <HappyFool> adwait: i'm getting deja vu here ;)
[07:37] <othernoob> kenny: well how do i fix it?
[07:37] <adwait> hehe....
[07:37] <solar_ant> adait
[07:37] <solar_ant> solar
[07:38] <kenny> You have to have a copmuter Bios that supports it ithink
[07:38] <solar_ant> happyfool - "solar is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported."
[07:38] <HappyFool> solar_ant: the output of 'id -u' is ?
[07:38] <HappyFool> solar_ant: not 'sudo', 'id -u'
[07:38] <jamey3> Tsukasa, I will install all the Samba packages and get back to you. If this works, I will cyber-hug you ;)
[07:38] <jamey3> lmao
[07:38] <othernoob> kenny: my pc ran fine for 2 months. it just started yesterday
[07:38] <kenny> or maybe reinstalling ubuntu
[07:38] <geneo93> i have a 3dfx voodoo banshee that wont work with warty or hoary
[07:38] <solar_ant> 1000
[07:38] <kenny> ohh right
[07:38] <solar_ant> HappyFool,  1000
[07:39] <kenny> try reinstalling acpi support from apt-get
[07:39] <HappyFool> solar_ant: you sudoers file is broken
[07:39] <HappyFool> solar_ant: how did you install ubuntu
[07:39] <HappyFool> ?
[07:39] <othernoob> kenny: i wouldn't know what i could possibly have changed besides installing wine
[07:39] <kenny> othernoob im not completly sure
[07:39] <HappyFool> solar_ant: and what settings have you tweaked?
[07:39] <solar_ant> i used a cd HappyFool
[07:39] <kenny> it migh be the deamon isnt started ot is disabled
[07:39] <solar_ant> and i used the multi user workstation option
[07:40] <solar_ant> i didnt touch the settings HappyFool
[07:40] <othernoob> kenny how do i check that
[07:40] <HappyFool> hrm
[07:40] <solar_ant> i just installed and i am not able to change settings
[07:40] <solar_ant> lol
[07:40] <HappyFool> i'm not familiar with the various install options -- is multiuser the 'normal' install option? (anyone?)
[07:41] <solar_ant> lol
[07:41] <james__> Hi, just quick question. How good is Cedega compared to WineTools etc
[07:41] <solar_ant> no it makes 8 partitions
[07:41] <solar_ant> could that be the problem ?
[07:41] <adwait> HappyFool: i believe it is
[07:41] <Tsukasa> cedega is completely different from winetools
[07:41] <HappyFool> solar_ant: 8 ?
[07:41] <solar_ant> but still it must work shouldnt it ???
[07:41] <solar_ant> yeah
[07:41] <solar_ant> or is anyone of the partition unmunted ?
[07:41] <solar_ant> brb
[07:41] <Tsukasa> cedega is for gaming purposes, winetools is a handy tool for setting up wine
[07:42] <adwait> solar_ant: i dont see how any of tht could have anything to do with this
[07:42] <jamey3> does anyone know an *easy to use* mail server for Linux? This is the only sector where I feel like blowing the dust off my Windows CDs...
[07:42] <Seveas> you called..?
[07:42] <Heimdall> is there someone here who know some irc download servers ?
[07:42] <HappyFool> Seveas: yeah
[07:42] <adwait> jamey3: sendmail, postfix
[07:42] <othernoob> kenny if acpid is running it shouldnt be acpid causing the problem, right?
[07:42] <Seveas> Thou may speak to me now :)
[07:42] <james__> I mean ios Codega easier to use? So far ive managed to install a few programs with Wine, accept none will run. (One Will load then boot out)
[07:42] <Teatimer> hello all I got a quick question, how do I go about installing a .gz file?
[07:42] <HappyFool> Seveas: solar_ant has broken  his install. sudo doesn't work. He said he used the 'multiuser workstation' install -- is that the default?
[07:43] <HappyFool> Seveas: he also claims to have tweaked nothing
[07:43] <Tsukasa> james__, as I said: For games definetively yes, for applications: no
[07:43] <Seveas> solar_ant, did you use any special boot parameters on the install cd?
[07:43] <james__> Ah
[07:43] <james__> Thats a shame, I was looking to run program's such as Lightwave etc
[07:43] <HappyFool> Seveas: i think he's away, sorry
[07:43] <Seveas> hmm ok
[07:43] <jamey3> Teatimer, you need to "gzip -d name-of-file.gz"
[07:43] <jamey3> or you can use the Archive Manager
[07:44] <HappyFool> Seveas: if he reboots in recovery mode and adds himself to the admin group, i presume things will be fixed?
[07:44] <jamey3> Teatimer, then run the setup script "in the terminal" (when prompted)
[07:44] <Teatimer> ah ok cheers jamey. in that case then I have used the archive manager but I am still not "installing" the program
[07:44] <jamey3> oh what are you doing with it then?
[07:44] <gorbael> hi
[07:45] <Seveas> that depends
[07:45] <Teatimer> jamey3 all am left with is a THEFILE_2.4_i686
[07:45] <geneo93> Seveas:  whos the best video card guy here
[07:45] <Teatimer> it has the blue diamond binary icon
 anyone here use radeon 9200? havin trouble getting it installed, i so sh make.sh from
[07:46] <lsuactiafner>                /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod and get error 1
[07:46] <lsuactiafner> linux-2.6.12
[07:46] <Seveas> geneo93, ENOCLUE, just ask ans people will answer
[07:46] <Seveas> it's most certainly not me
[07:46] <adwait> im gonna get going ppl....bbye
[07:46] <james__> Im having a tad trouble with my ATI Radeon 9800, installed the drivers and regardles of what i do with the xorg config file it won;t boot
[07:46] <synthetic_> Hey, everyone, I just upgraded from Warty to hoary but i'm having some trouble
[07:47] <Seveas> synthetic_, that's not nice. What is the problem..?
[07:47] <geneo93> well i have this 3dfx card that just wont work with warty or hoary
[07:47] <lsuactiafner> also havin troulble with ATI, seems they dont have good linux support like nvidia
[07:47] <synthetic_> I can't figure out how to set up my wireless connection, for one, and also i have no sound and my USB mouse isn't being recognized
[07:47] <Teatimer> jamey3, any ideas?
[07:47] <jamey3> Teatimer, what type of file is it?
[07:47] <nameless1> happyfool, do u know how i was havin that codec problem? well i got all the files to get listed.... when i tried to run a *.avi *.wmv and a *.asf it said no codec found... in the list it has lots of them tho, at 1st they were "locked" but i just did a quick chmod to fix that and it still doesnt work, any ideas?
[07:47] <Tsukasa> ati and linux is really bad, even with drivers working you've a miserable performance
[07:47] <jamey3> Tsukasa, I noticed
[07:47] <Teatimer> jamey3, I presume it is a binary I am extracting as it has the blue diamond like icon
[07:47] <jamey3> Tsukasa, my wieldy Radeon 9200 crawls along even with the "proper" modules
[07:48] <Seveas> Tsukasa, and moreover, fglrx totally FUBARs hibernate...
[07:48] <lsuactiafner> jamey3 : mine doesnt compile?
[07:48] <jamey3> Seveas, exactly
[07:48] <HappyFool> nameless1: i think asfs are streaming, and won't work
[07:48] <Tsukasa> I've got only 7-8k on glxgears with a x800 - that's a bit poor I think
[07:48] <scizho> nameless1 : get gstreamer
[07:48] <jamey3> lsuactiafner, really how come?
[07:48] <jamey3> Teatimer, have you tried running it?
[07:48] <lsuactiafner> jamey3 : how did you get drivers to run?
[07:48] <lsuactiafner> can i priv you?
[07:48] <nameless1> yeh i tried a few i tried wmv\avi\asf\and i think a quick time if i remember right
[07:48] <HappyFool> nameless1: and maybe the wmv is too new -- isn't there a new ms codec out ?
[07:48] <HappyFool> nameless1: does mplayer work ?
[07:49] <lsuactiafner> make[2] : *** [/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/agpgart_be.o]  Error 1
[07:49] <synthetic_> I don't understand, Warty recognized my USB mouse right away
[07:49] <Teatimer> jamey3, I haven't tried from a command prompt, just double clicking and nothing happens
[07:49] <nameless1> i dont think i have installed it i did a clean fromat did the update and then tried to install that codec
[07:49] <jamey3> lsuactiafner, were you talking to me about PM'ing? If so, yes
[07:49] <jamey3> Teatimer, what exactly did you download?
[07:50] <jamey3> oh no not me then haha ;)
[07:50] <Seveas> synthetic_, hmm, cannot help about the mouse. But hoary uses ESD, you might need to let your applications use it
[07:50] <synthetic_> Seveas, what's esd?
[07:50] <nemrod> electro-static discharge :p
[07:50] <Seveas> enlightenment sound deamon, a way of abstracting the sound device
[07:51] <scizho> nameless1 : search for gstreamer in synaptic marg the ffgsteamer am gstreamer-mad (or whta ever sound like that, i cant quite remember) )
[07:51] <synthetic_> How do i set it up?
[07:51] <Seveas> synthetic http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[07:51] <Seveas> wifi is always hairy, did it work with warty? If so, which driver?
[07:51] <nameless1> ill search for it, but if its a steaming video server, i dont have the bandwidth for that so im not interested in that if thats what it is
[07:51] <synthetic_> thanks
[07:52] <synthetic_> I couldn't get it working with warty, either, but I have the correct driver
[07:52] <jamey3> Teatimer, I see
[07:52] <scizho> ow...
[07:52] <synthetic_> I'm just not entirely sure what to do with it now - Hoary doesn't have the network connection set up dealy
[07:52] <hac> Gamin in my ubuntu is not started,How Can i start gamin?
[07:52] <jamey3> Teatimer, what does this app do? Try running it in the terminal
[07:53] <scizho> that just some codec, it take some time to download, but not that long
[07:53] <synthetic_> Sound wasn't working in hoary either, i'm assuming maybe i need drivers but again, not sure what to do with them even if I get them
[07:53] <synthetic_> this is my second day using Linux
[07:53] <scizho> about 5-10 minute for me
[07:54] <jayparadise> hi
[07:54] <jamey3> Teatimer, ok then
[07:54] <goldfish> !sound
[07:54] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, goldfish
[07:54] <jayparadise> anyone willing to give kernel help
[07:55] <jayparadise> i htink i messed it up while trying to add features
[07:55] <jayparadise> im pretty sure when i restart bye bye u buntu
[07:55] <Teatimer> Anyone use a NETGEAR USB WIFI stick in ubuntu via ndiswrapper?
[07:56] <jayparadise> unless i can get a new one, is there an apt-get for it or...... does it matter THAT Much which one ig et?
[07:56] <Blue_Summer> Anyone know what other Distros send out free cds?
[07:56] <zukalk> jayparadise, what's your CPU?
[07:56] <HappyFool> jayparadise: did you remove the images in /boot ?
[07:56] <Teatimer> brb then I guess
[07:56] <zenlunatic> would ubuntu run good on a x86 200mhz 128m ram?
[07:56] <jayparadise> no
[07:57] <jayparadise> i didnt
[07:57] <Tsukasa> zenlunatic, it would run horrible
[07:57] <jamey3> Blue_Summer, I haven't found any (and I've searched) but I've come to the conclusion that Ubuntu is so great that all other distros are not worth obtaining!
[07:57] <synthetic_> Anyone have an idea how to get my usb mouse working? It was plug and play with Warty
[07:57] <zenlunatic> jamey3: wow good for you
[07:58] <jamey3> zenlunatic, what's wrong with that?!
[07:58] <Blue_Summer> jamey3,  lol
[07:58] <jamey3> lol
[07:58] <jamey3> Some people... sheesh
[07:58] <zenlunatic> jamey3: your just a flaming fan boy
[07:58] <scizho> synthetic_ : have you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[07:58] <jamey3> zenlunatic, fine whatever
[07:58] <zenlunatic> jamey3: maybe other people like other distros
[07:58] <jayparadise> so the kernel images will act as backup so when i reboot itl be liiek i never messed iwth it?
[07:58] <jamey3> zenlunatic, good for them. I like Ubuntu. I've tried dozens of others.
[07:59] <HappyFool> jayparadise: well, unless you install the image you created in /boot, and changed grub, everything should be ok
[07:59] <zenlunatic> jamey3: well you don't have to pick just one distro and be a fan boy of it
[07:59] <synthetic_> scizho:  i'm not sure what that means
[07:59] <nameless1> wtf is wrong with totem.... i installed the codecs the right way... they are all listed in the right directory....... yet it refuses to use them to play the videos...... I NEED a video player setup asap.... it so sux how linux comes with no codecs
[07:59] <zenlunatic> jamey3: you can like different things for different reasons
[07:59] <zenlunatic> nameless1: vlc is good
[08:00] <jamey3> zenlunatic, I don't. I run Gentoo, Debian, RH, SuSE and many other flavours. FreeBSD too.
[08:00] <jayparadise> i hope so
[08:00] <Tsukasa> nameless1, use gxine
[08:00] <zenlunatic> jamey3: good for you heh
[08:00] <scizho> synthetic_ : it do detect your vga card, keyboard and mouse
[08:00] <nameless1> yeh how do i install codecs for them tho.... thats the problem...
[08:00] <synthetic_> scizho:  just go into a terminal and type that?
[08:00] <jamey3> zenlunatic, ;)
[08:00] <Tsukasa> nameless1, gxine doesn't need extra codecs
[08:00] <Tsukasa> it plays a lot of stuff out of the box
[08:01] <Tsukasa> like vlc
[08:01] <zenlunatic> jamey3: enough of this though i really must get back to what i was doing
[08:01] <nameless1> ya got my attention now tsukasa!, time to go install it
[08:01] <jamey3> zenlunatic, lol... what were you doing?
[08:01] <nameless1> whats better tho vlc or gzine?
[08:01] <scizho> synthetic_ : yes, but i think you will have to restrat X
[08:01] <synthetic_> scizho, thanks
[08:02] <zenlunatic> jamey3: um i checked out 4 books and downloaded one book that i want to read
[08:02] <jamey3> nameless1, I think VLC is
[08:02] <synthetic_> must be run as root?
[08:02] <jamey3> zenlunatic, cool what were they about?
[08:02] <zenlunatic> jamey3: and i have a four day weekend to read them in
[08:02] <zenlunatic> jamey3: veganism
[08:02] <Tsukasa> well, xine can go to fullscreen on all systems I know
[08:02] <jamey3> zenlunatic, cool I'm a vegetarian
[08:02] <Tsukasa> vlc has a little issue regarding panels and stuff
[08:02] <pgidz> nameless1 what version of totem have you installed
[08:02] <scizho> nameless1 : once you get gstreamer, youll have it for both totem and xine
[08:02] <jamey3> zenlunatic, dairy is pissing me off atm so I may turn vegan eventually
[08:02] <Tsukasa> so I like xine better :)
[08:02] <zenlunatic> jamey3: um lets continue this convo in /msg if you want to continue because its very offtopic
[08:03] <jamey3> lol sure :)
[08:03] <scizho> xine plays vcd
[08:03] <scizho> :P
[08:03] <synthetic_> scizho, it says it must be run as root
[08:03] <Tsukasa> xine does my laundry
[08:03] <scizho> synthetic_ : yes, you got to sudo it
[08:04] <scizho> xine does nameless1 headache
[08:04] <Tsukasa> xine controls world economy
[08:04] <synthetic_> scizho, i don't know what that means
[08:04] <scizho> no no
[08:04] <scizho> microsoft does that
[08:04] <shane> um wheres fstab located?
[08:05] <Tsukasa> shane, /etc/fstab
[08:05] <scizho> ow..
[08:05] <shane> thanx
[08:05] <scizho> sudo = super user do
[08:05] <scizho> just like root
[08:05] <synthetic_> how do i do that?
[08:05] <scizho> but not permanent
[08:05] <nameless1> pgidz: version 1.01
[08:06] <shane> i have a windows drive that i used for storage and i placed it in my linuxbox
[08:06] <pgidz> nameless1 is it the xine version or just totem
[08:06] <scizho> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:06] <shane> it has an ntfs partition how do i make linux use it?
[08:06] <scizho> put in your password
[08:06] <nameless1> at the top it says "totem movie player"
[08:06] <synthetic_> thanks
[08:06] <Tsukasa> shane, add the following entry to your fstab:
[08:06] <shane> kk
[08:06] <james__> whats the command to run a .sh file?
[08:07] <pgidz> nameless1 try apt-get totem-xine and see if it loads that should play most movies
[08:07] <HappyFool> sh <filename>.sh
[08:07] <Tsukasa> </dev/id of drive> </mount path> ntfs rw,umask=222 0 0
[08:07] <james__> thxs :)
[08:07] <shane> and just to help it's on the secodary ide channel as slave to the cdrom
[08:07] <scizho> first it will detect your video card (automacticly) then in the end it will detect yoour mouse
[08:07] <shane> so what would that be hd0?
[08:07] <nameless1> ill try now, jksut a sec
[08:07] <Tsukasa> of the cdrom?
[08:07] <shane> yea
[08:07] <Tsukasa> you think that works out for writing?
[08:07] <shane> the cd rom is master and the drive is slave
[08:08] <shane> on ide channel 2
[08:08] <shane> and the mount path would be what?
[08:08] <Tsukasa> well, anything you want
[08:08] <shane> ok
[08:08] <Tsukasa> like /windows
[08:08] <mackid_> hello everyone
[08:09] <Tsukasa> or whatever, just make sure the directory exists
[08:09] <nameless1> i tried to do that apt get thing but it didnt work i think it might be something to do with the fact i downloaded the dvd version
[08:09] <shane> oh ok
[08:09] <scizho> /windows ?
[08:09] <shane> what do i do if theres more than one folder
[08:09] <shane> on the drive
[08:09] <pgidz> nameless1 can you go into synaptic and see what version you have loaded
[08:09] <Kvark> when I mark evolution for removal in synaptic, it says ubuntu-desktop will be removed too, can removing ubuntu-desktop lead to any problems?
[08:09] <scizho> bill gate will sue you
[08:10] <shane> and i'm still trying to figure out what the drive should be in fstab
[08:10] <shane> mr gastes can kiss my @$$
[08:10] <synthetic_> select a video card driver for the x server?
[08:10] <nameless1> i have xinetd installed
[08:10] <Tsukasa> oh, okay /windows(c)
[08:10] <synthetic_> what do i do there, schizho?
[08:10] <shane> like hdc is the primary
[08:10] <pgidz> nameless1 can you go into synaptic and see what version of totem you have loaded
[08:10] <shane> so hd0 should be that slave?
[08:10] <scizho> it usualy automatic
[08:10] <Kvark> synaptic says it's safe to remove ubuntu desktop but that it is reccomended to keep it, which is very contradicting and confusing
[08:11] <nameless1> oh
[08:11] <nameless1> 1:2.3.13-2
[08:11] <scizho> whatever your video card, it should be appear in it
[08:11] <pgidz> nameless1 does it just say totem
[08:11] <synthetic_> i'm actually not sure...it's something built into this laptop, which is old and i got only a few days ago
[08:11] <scizho> just pres enter if you sure that is your video card
[08:12] <scizho> ow..
[08:12] <cwillu> Kvark, is there a particular reason you want to remove it?
[08:12] <nameless1> totem + totem -gstreamer
[08:12] <scizho> lap top
[08:12] <nameless1> should i download the cd version and reinstall? is this all happening beucae i have the dvd version? lol
[08:12] <cwillu> never mind :p
[08:12] <pgidz> nameless1 not one with totme-xine
[08:12] <Kvark> yes, some evulotion components insist in keep taking up ram, which is pointless since i never use them
[08:12] <solar_ant> am back
[08:12] <solar_ant> any help ?
[08:12] <scizho> nameless1 : ffgstreamer for video codec and gstreamer-mad for sound codec
[08:12] <synthetic_> there's no lap top there, just a bunch of random ones for the x server driver
[08:12] <cwillu> might be a pain on major upgrades:  you'd have to reinstall desktop, then remove evolution and desktop again
[08:13] <synthetic_> >_>
[08:13] <nalioth> HappyFool: y'all get sorted?
[08:13] <HappyFool> nalioth: no
[08:13] <cwillu> it's just there to automatically install/upgrade everything on a standard ubuntu
[08:13] <nameless1> pgidz did u get these things straight out of your distro beucase i think i need to get a new version of ubuntu this dvd version is fuked
[08:13] <HappyFool> nalioth: it wanted to overwrite /lib/modules/<version>/modules.pcimap
[08:13] <HappyFool> nalioth: i decided it wasn't worth the risk
[08:13] <scizho> it usualy hilight the video card type
[08:13] <synthetic_> neogate?
[08:14] <synthetic_> err
[08:14] <synthetic_> magic
[08:14] <scizho> you can just proceed without need to select anything
[08:14] <synthetic_> that's what it first showed when it started
[08:14] <Kvark> cwillu: any way to make evulotion-data-server and evulotion-exchange sever stop loading themselves into ram?
[08:14] <Seveaz> Kvark, ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage that facilitates easy upgrading. It is recommended to have it installed at least when you are upgrading to a new version of UBuntu
[08:14] <Seveaz> shane, are you trying to mount windows drives? <-- got disconnected, did you answer already?
[08:14] <scizho> than neogate it is
[08:14] <cwillu> are you sure its actually in ram and not just paged out?
[08:14] <scizho> i hope...
[08:14] <synthetic_> video card bus and stuff...can i just go through this as well?
[08:15] <scizho> yes
[08:15] <Kvark> cwillu, Seveas: system monitor says they take up a hefty amount of ram
[08:15] <nameless1> is the cd version different different to the dvd version *becuase the fact the cd has less stuff on it?* beucase i have the dvd version and it sounds different to what u guys ahve
[08:15] <scizho> if there no problem with display why fix it
[08:15] <synthetic_> should i use the kernel framebuffer?
[08:15] <Kvark> cwillu, Seveas: one is impossible to kill, the other always comes back a secound after being killed
[08:15] <Seveas> Kvark, they are using shared memory
[08:15] <pgidz> nameless1 yes but i'm running breezy so not sure if totem-xine is in hoary
[08:15] <Seveas> do NOT kill them...
[08:16] <Kvark> cwillu, Seveas: why not, an email client can hardly be critical
[08:16] <Seveas> totem-xone is in hoary
[08:16] <nameless1> whats breazy? a older version? or a beta version?
[08:16] <Seveas> Kvark, neither are part of the mail client...
[08:16] <jbroome> breezy = testing
[08:16] <cwillu> they're not, you can remove it and desktop with no immediate issues
[08:16] <cwillu> it only makes upgrading a bit trickier
[08:16] <pgidz> seveas can you let nameless know how to install it
[08:16] <cwillu> _but_
[08:16] <scizho> breezy = lots of wind
[08:16] <cwillu> don't look at the _vm_ size
[08:17] <ccc> nameless1: breezy = upcoming version 5.10
[08:17] <Seveas> aptitude install totem-xine
[08:17] <Seveas> (have universe enabled)
[08:17] <cwillu> only resident memory counts for what you're interested in
[08:17] <nameless1> ahhh :( lol
[08:17] <pgidz> nameless1 have you read what seveas just put
[08:17] <Seveas> doggie!
[08:17] <pgidz> nameless1 try that out and see if it works
[08:17] <scizho> nameless1 : have you try synaptic yet?
[08:17] <nameless1> just then
[08:18] <nameless1> yeh
[08:18] <Kvark> how do i look at only resident memory?
[08:18] <nameless1> i have used that
[08:18] <nameless1> i found out about synaptic before i knew about the apt thing
[08:18] <Seveas> Kvark, look at RES instead of VIRT in top
[08:18] <hondje> Howdy, Seveas :)
[08:18] <cwillu> just add it (view|preferences, or 'more info')
[08:18] <scizho> well it will do ypu most of the thing
[08:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Seveas i have a question if a drive is a slave to hdc "cdrom0" what would it be?
[08:18] <cwillu> RSS
[08:18] <pgidz> nameless1 enable universe then aptitude install totem-xine
[08:18] <goldfish> !packages
[08:18] <ubotu> it has been said that packages is http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[08:18] <Seveas> ChurcH_of_FoamY, hdd
[08:18] <hondje> hdd
[08:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[08:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thanx
[08:18] <nameless1> enable universe?
[08:18] <cwillu> I've got 10megs showing for evo processes, with it open
[08:19] <Seveas> nameless1: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:19] <Seveas> nameless1: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[08:19] <nalioth> HappyFool: did you try to remove alsa-current, first?
[08:19] <Kvark> you mean RSS-memory?
[08:19] <sensayshun> Can anyone help me, I get this error message when trying to play Doom3, the installation went fine, but when I try to play it I get this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/383
[08:19] <nameless1> ill read up on that
[08:19] <cwillu> yes
[08:19] <nameless1> sry if i seem out of it, i have been awake for 3 days
[08:19] <nameless1> (almost 3 )
[08:19] <nameless1> lol
[08:19] <HappyFool> nalioth: no. but those files are part of linux-image, not alsa
[08:19] <cwillu> no :p
[08:19] <HappyFool> nalioth: the package consists of kernel modules
[08:20] <cwillu> although they're probably the same (and may actually be)
[08:20] <Seveas> Kvark, e-d-s uses 3kb of exclusive memory here....
[08:20] <Seveas> e-x-s 5 kb
[08:21] <terasurfer> Has anybody ever seen a Glib allocation error from rhythmbox?
[08:21] <cwillu> anybody know if there's a way to make an x session not go away if the network link drops?
[08:21] <nameless1> ahhh i just saw that repositarys thing, thanx i have a feeling that will solve my problem. (will try after i finished another update)
[08:21] <smt> not strictly ubuntu-specific but anyway: I don't use esd but most gnome applications try to connect to esd's 16001 port at startup. then they wait a couple of minutes for timeout and start after that. how can I configure gnome not to try to talk to esd?
[08:22] <Kvark> Seveas: not sure which one i'm supposed to look at in my swedish version
[08:22] <Seveas> Kvark, try: LC_ALL=C top | grep 'evo \| VIRT'
[08:22] <Kvark> Seveas: they take up 5.4MB and 8.9MB of "persistant memory"
[08:22] <Seveas> Kvark, try: LC_ALL=C top -b -n 1 | grep 'evo \| VIRT'
[08:23] <cwillu> I ssh into a few servers;  is there any way to reconnect/not lose an x session when I disconnect?
[08:23] <sensayshun> Can anyone help me, I get this error message when trying to play Doom3, the installation went fine, but when I try to play it I get this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/383
[08:23] <Seveas> cwillu, freenx can do that, it's a bit tricky to setup though...
[08:23] <cwillu> hmm
[08:24] <cwillu> don't really want that, unless it has rootless support on win32
[08:24] <ahluka> hey all
[08:24] <kenny> hi ahluka
[08:24] <cwillu> I was thinking about a proxy x server or something, but from what I've read, this is complicated or slow
[08:24] <unperson> I'm trying to mount a samba share on my system, but I can't get the permissions to work right.  I issued the command "sudo smbmount '\\SERVER\share' ~user/mntdir -o username=user uid=user gid=user", where "SERVER" stands for the server NetBIOS name, "share" stands for the share name, and "user" stands for the user name, which is the same on both the server and client.  The share mounts but with all files with root as the UID and GID
[08:24] <unperson> , not user.  What am I doing wrong?
[08:25] <Kvark> cwillu, Seveas: ah, well, guess I'll let them stay there and do whatever they do even though I never use them
[08:25] <Seveas> Kvark, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/384
[08:25] <mackid_> I'm booted from Gnoppix 1.0.. I was playing with my windows partition, and I resized it and now it won't boot - so how can I install grub or lilo in the MBR from this gnoppix CD so I can boot windows?
[08:25] <ahluka> im just gonna sit and watch a while; i'm new to ubuntu so i'm hopin to pick up some tips :)
[08:25] <Seveas> e-d-s is responsible for connecting your panel with the calendar
[08:25] <cwillu> I think you're missing a slash unperson
[08:25] <synthetic_> no dice, my usb mouse still isn't working
[08:26] <cwillu> again, you can uninstall them; it's just a matter of what packages are default in ubuntu
[08:26] <unperson> cwillu:  Am I?
[08:26] <cwillu> if you want a standard install, then don't remove ubuntu-desktop, or install it when you upgrade
[08:26] <Seveas> unperson, add umask=0000 to the options
[08:26] <cwillu> ~user?
[08:26] <scizho> what it says when it detect your mouse.....
[08:26] <cwillu> unless I'm missing something :p
[08:26] <cwillu> which I may well be
[08:26] <cyphase> Deep Impact Tonight - http://cyphase.homelinux.com/blog
[08:27] <scizho> coz i use dpkg when i change my vga
[08:27] <unperson> cwillu:  ~fred is expanded by the shell to the home directory of fred.
[08:27] <ahluka> Seveas, so what is umask for? i used it in fstab to mount my ntfs (XP) partition
[08:27] <cwillu> okay
[08:27] <cwillu> didn't know that
[08:27] <synthetic_> doesn't say anything...the little push nub on my laptop works, but the USB mouse doesn't work
[08:27] <thenuke> ahluka: 0002
[08:27] <Seveas> ahluka, to set the local permissions
[08:27] <ahluka> Seveas, i see
[08:27] <scizho> ow....
[08:27] <unperson> Seveas:  Ok, I'll try that.  I would think that would just much up the permission bit, though, not mess with the UID and GID.
[08:27] <thenuke> ahluka: hmm. 0002 ables users to access NTFS I mean :D
[08:27] <ahluka> thenuke, cheers :)
[08:28] <unperson> Seveas:  Or do you mean so I can read and write them even though they're owned by root?
[08:28] <Seveas> unperson, you can set uid=1000,gid=1000 in the options too :)
[08:28] <scizho> if that the case, it detect the nub thing you use...
[08:28] <scizho> i dont do laptop verymuch....
[08:28] <unperson> Seveas:  Ah, tried that, but no dice.  Same result.
[08:28] <scizho> maybe with the bios
[08:28] <synthetic_> gah.  how do i make it recognize the usb mouse?  this is so weird, warty got it with no problem
[08:29] <Seveas> synthetic_, weird suggestion: unplug and plug back in...
[08:29] <unperson> Seveas:  Er, same result is that it's still owned by root.
[08:29] <Kvark> cwillu, Seveas: thanks for explaining things, last question, if I ever feel like customizing everything, which distro is good for that?
[08:29] <Seveas> unperson, you need to unmount it first
[08:29] <cwillu> customizing as in?
[08:29] <synthetic_> seveas:  i did that, the mouse turns on, but doesn't work
[08:30] <cwillu> debian based are good in that it's easy to do alot without screwing stuff up
[08:30] <cwillu> i.e., ubuntu
[08:30] <Seveas> Kvark, kubuntu (KDE is featiurism exremus) or maybe gentoo if you want to customize to the complete painful extreme
[08:30] <scizho> what if you disable laptop mouse on the bios
[08:30] <scizho> :P
[08:30] <Kvark> as in specifing exactly which packages i want to have installed, exactly which ones should run, fiddle with config files a lot, experiment a bit with the source codes too
[08:30] <HappyFool> what about LFS for the real customizers? ;)
[08:30] <scizho> another wierd suggestion
[08:31] <cwillu> gentoo then, but only if you enjoy source-based pain :)
[08:31] <xXpinkyXx> hello all
[08:31] <Seveas> unperson, try http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/addsamba
[08:31] <unperson> Seveas:  Yes, I know.  I did umount it and remount with the different options.
[08:31] <Seveas> it's a script for adding samba shares to /etc/fstab
[08:31] <cwillu> you might still want to stick with ubuntu for a while
[08:31] <ahluka> cwillu, i'm a previous gentoo user, and i agree, it was a pain :)
[08:31] <cwillu> the config files are all still there
[08:31] <synthetic_> scizho, i'll try that
[08:31] <HappyFool> Kvark: how about this: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/   -- should keep you busy for a while ;)
[08:31] <cwillu> LOL!
[08:32] <cwillu> poor guy
[08:32] <Kvark> yeah, will definately wait a while before messing, probably until I got a spare computer to mess with
[08:32] <Seveas> HappyFool, that is just mean :)
[08:32] <cwillu> experiment with scrweing up your ubuntu then
[08:32] <cwillu> lol
[08:32] <nalioth> HappyFool: lfs roX0rs
[08:32] <jamey3> haha have fun with LFS bloody hell that requires a bit of willpower
[08:32] <nalioth> jamey3: nah, it roX0rs (esp if ya got an extra box)
[08:33] <cwillu> seriously, just uninstall the damn ubuntu-desktop
[08:33] <HappyFool> nalioth: i'm way too lazy for that ;)
[08:33] <jamey3> yeah I know... but it's not nice for a n00b
[08:33] <jamey3> cwillu, why lol
[08:33] <xXpinkyXx> how do I installa a GDM theme we'll where do I stick it
[08:33] <cwillu> kvark, ubuntu-desktop just depends on everything in standard install... making it fairly easy to get things make to normal
[08:34] <cwillu> you're not going to break anything by removing it
[08:34] <jamey3> cwillu, but the ubuntu-desktop package includes quite a few useful/semi-useful packages
[08:34] <nameless1> when in "nano" how do u save and quit? i assume its like vi, but that isnt workin for me
[08:34] <cwillu> and if you're wanting to explore the system, then a little pain at upgrade time (i.e., no worse than a xp sp2 upgrade) isn't so bad
[08:34] <nalioth> jamey3: in one aspect, yes its advanced, but then again, for a n00b who can follow instructions (and has an extra box), it's a valuable learning experience
[08:34] <jamey3> nameless1, Ctrl + O to save and then Ctrl + X to quit
[08:34] <nameless1> thanx
[08:35] <cwillu> and ubuntu-desktop is a meta package, isn't it?
[08:35] <Seveas> nameless1, look at the bottom of the terminal window :)
[08:35] <Kvark> cwillu: but ubuntu upgrades something like twice a week
[08:35] <cwillu> I'm not talking about a complete remove
[08:35] <nameless1> yeh didnt know that meant to hold control tho, do now
[08:35] <synthetic_> I have another problem - i'm trying to install the kernel source so I can work on getting this wireless up and running
[08:35] <jamey3> nalioth, I see... I got so far then said "fuck it, do it another day"... my willpower is about this much: >> <<
[08:35] <nalioth> jamey3: removing ubuntu-desktop will not remove any of your useful/semi-useful pkgs
[08:35] <cwillu> ubuntu-desktop would just get the new packages... the existing ones will still update
[08:35] <synthetic_> but when i do tar -xjf linux-source.2.6.10.tar.bz2 it lists a ton of files with "cannot open: no such file or directory"
[08:35] <jamey3> nameless1, no problem
[08:35] <jamey3> nalioth, what will it do?
[08:36] <HappyFool> synthetic_: maybe you don't have write permissions there
[08:36] <DodGeR_X> q, i got an issue with update manager not finding 2 updates , says it wants to update them , but cant find em , is gimp (from abckports i think)
[08:36] <synthetic_> HappyFool should I sudo?
[08:36] <HappyFool> synthetic_: try running that command as root (with sudo) or in your home directory
[08:36] <DodGeR_X> any ideas what to add or how to stop it from wanting to update those as it cant find them ?
[08:36] <HappyFool> synthetic_: what directory is that file in ?
[08:36] <synthetic_> happyfool, thanks, i'll try that
[08:36] <synthetic_> /usr/src
[08:36] <nalioth> as mentined by cwillu aboveabas mentioned by cwillu above
[08:36] <HappyFool> yeah, you'll need to be root for that
[08:37] <synthetic_> off topic:  anyone hear the new gorillaz album?
[08:37] <HappyFool> synthetic_: are you sure that compiling the kernel will help you? It is a non-trivial task
[08:37] <nalioth> jamey3: cwillu told you above what happeds removing ubuntu-desktop
[08:37] <synthetic_> happyfool, yeah, the atmel wlan driver needs it
[08:38] <HappyFool> synthetic_: ok. you've read the howto on the wiki?
[08:38] <HappyFool> !kernelcompile
[08:38] <ubotu> You will probably find info about this at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[08:38] <cwillu> Kvark;  ubuntu-desktop is an empty package that depends on whatever is in the standard install.  Dependencies aren't removed by default.  Most updates don't change anything the dependencies (which would have the effect of installing a new package, perhaps removing another package if marked as a conflict)
[08:38] <synthetic_> which howto?
[08:38] <synthetic_> thanks
[08:39] <cikilin> hello
[08:39] <snowman> hi
[08:39] <snowman> i have a newbie question
[08:39] <Kvark> cwillu: ah, ok
[08:39] <cikilin> how can i see 'pot.wotw.cd1.bin,'
[08:39] <snowman> why can't i log in as root?
[08:39] <cwillu> root is disabled by default
[08:39] <cwillu> use sudo <command>
[08:39] <lsuactiafner> bcus u b newb
[08:39] <nalioths_dog> snowman: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:40] <cwillu> or 'sudo bash' for a prompt (although there's more correct ways of doing that)
[08:40] <scizho> sudo -s -H
[08:40] <cwillu> thanks
[08:40] <scizho> it will give you root
[08:41] <cikilin> hello
[08:41] <eno> thanks for all your help folks, ttyl
[08:42] <synthetic_> now, perhaps while this is extracting i can figure out my sound problem
[08:42] <unperson> Ah ha, important point gleaned from ##linux: Options to smbmount are comma seperated.
[08:42] <synthetic_> i have no working sound
[08:42] <scizho> have anyone use diskless with ubuntu?
[08:42] <snowman> but why is root disabled by default
[08:43] <snowman> why
[08:43] <snowman> what is the resaon
[08:43] <scizho> snowman : security
[08:43] <snowman> this is confusing
[08:43] <synthetic_> snowman:  i'd assume to prevent people from h4x0ring your computer, in a matter of words
[08:43] <synthetic_> they can't do all these crazy things without your password
[08:43] <cwillu> snowman:  read the page quoted above
[08:43] <nalioth> scizho: what is diskless?
[08:43] <cwillu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:44] <Blue_Summer> Everyone: I've installed steam using cedega, how do i open steam everytime i want to play it/open it
[08:44] <scizho> old pc running with no hard disk with 1 server running all aplication
[08:45] <scizho> pentium classic will run at  the speed of pentium 4
[08:45] <nalioth> scizho: ah
[08:45] <nalioth> scizho: got a URL for that?
[08:45] <nalioth> scizho: sounds interesting
[08:45] <scizho> ltsp.org
[08:45] <scizho> or pxes
[08:46] <synthetic_> when i do make menuconfig i get an error
[08:46] <synthetic_> should i sudo for that too?
[08:46] <snowman> synthetic_: What you mean with h4x0ring?
[08:46] <synthetic_> snowman:  hacking
[08:46] <synthetic_> it's just security
[08:46] <nameless1> if can you guys just give me a idea about whats better? ubuntu or kubuntu i heared kde was better then gnome by the way not sure if its true
[08:47] <cikilin> hello
[08:47] <cwillu> ubuntu is the main stream development;  it's really a personal 'which do you like better' thing
[08:47] <nalioth> nameless1: do you like chevy or ford?
[08:47] <Blue_Summer> chevy
[08:47] <cikilin> how can i see a movie witch is a bin?
[08:47] <Blue_Summer> Everyone: I've installed steam using cedega, how do i open steam everytime i want to play it/open it
[08:47] <nalioth> nameless1: that is the answer to the question you just asked
[08:47] <scizho> why you choose ubuntu over mandrake...
[08:47] <synthetic_> when i do make menuconfig i got some line 11 + 12 gcc errors or something
[08:47] <nameless1> lol i dont like cars i like planes :P
[08:47] <scizho> it just a question of choices
[08:47] <cwillu> so, is chevy gnome or kde then :)
[08:48] <cikilin> and how i make an nrg to iso?
[08:48] <nalioth> nameless1: cessna or beech, boeing or douglas, each DM gets you the same place
[08:48] <neighborlee> scizho, yes and no  ubuntu has free components compared to mandrakes pay only..so there are legit differences
[08:48] <nameless1> seriously tho what one is more advanced "code" wise
[08:48] <snowman> Does anybody know how to configure my network device??
[08:48] <neighborlee> cikilin, youll have to purchase nero for linux
[08:48] <snowman> with ubuntu
[08:48] <scizho> ow
[08:48] <cikilin> ?
[08:48] <neighborlee> cikilin, or use windows if you already have it there
[08:48] <scizho> bad comparation
[08:48] <synthetic_> can anyone help me?  I'm unable to make menuconfig
[08:49] <cikilin> nero to linux?
[08:49] <neighborlee> there is nero for linux now yes
[08:49] <cwillu> nameless1, it's really and truly a preference thing
[08:49] <cikilin> nrg to iso?
[08:49] <cwillu> they're both under very active development
[08:49] <synthetic_> whois synthetic_
[08:49] <nameless1> yeh its a hard choice for me to pick between them thats why i was askin
[08:49] <nameless1> lol
[08:50] <cwillu> synthetic, what kinds of errors are you getting?
[08:50] <cwillu> do both
[08:50] <synthetic_> cwillu, it says...
[08:51] <scizho> that is the problem with linux
[08:51] <synthetic_> /usr/src/linux-source.2.6.10/scripts/gcc-version.sh:  line 11: command not found
[08:51] <synthetic_> then the same thing with line 12
[08:51] <scizho> first you have to chose distro, the desktop
[08:51] <scizho> first you have to chose distro, then desktop
[08:51] <neighborlee> nameless1, my goal is free and free..so I choose ubuntu which uses both in all its components out of the gate
[08:51] <cwillu> start with straight ubuntu, get somewhat comfortable, and then experiment
[08:51] <synthetic_> then HOstcc scripts/basic/fixdep
[08:51] <synthetic_> /bin/sh: gcc: command not found
[08:51] <nalioth> nameless1: you can have both (or more) on you system at the same time
[08:51] <neighborlee> scizho, yeah I agree too much choice isn't good when there are 100 choices!!
[08:52] <cwillu> do you have the dev tools installed?
[08:52] <neighborlee> synthetic_, apt-get install build-essentials
[08:52] <ccc> nameless1: gnome is great and has cleaner design.
[08:52] <nalioth> synthetic_: install "build-essential"
[08:52] <neighborlee> or is it non-plural sorry
[08:52] <synthetic_> where do i get that?  synaptic?
[08:52] <cwillu> yes
[08:52] <nameless1> yeh i think im gona stick with gnome at least for now, altho i dont like how the menus are more "empty" compared to kde, oh well
[08:52] <unperson> Follow-up question:  Is there a way to mount a samba share through gnome?  There's a "connect to server" option, but that just seems to put a link for browsing the share, not actually mount it.
[08:52] <cwillu> the missing gcc was the big one :)
[08:52] <cwillu> gcc being the compiler
[08:53] <unperson> The difference being that it want to either store your password or ask you for the passwd each time.
[08:53] <neighborlee> nameless1, heh you get used to it..then you prob. like the simplicity it offers ;))heh
[08:53] <cwillu> i.e., the thing that's actually doing the work as opposed to the paperwork
[08:53] <synthetic_> alright, build essential is downloading/installing
[08:53] <synthetic_> thank you
[08:53] <synthetic_> i'll get this wireless card working yet...
[08:53] <cwillu> good luck :p
[08:54] <cwillu> nameless1:  it's something you learn to appreciate
[08:55] <cwillu> there's something to be said for not giving 25 options when you usually only use 4-5
[08:55] <nalioth> cwillu: nameless1: i have no use for bloat, most of my puter stuff is done with the terminal
[08:55] <Blue_Summer> Everyone: I've installed steam using cedega, how do i open steam everytime i want to play it/open it
[08:56] <synthetic_> snowman, what do you want?
[08:56] <nameless1> yeah i guess, im new tho and dont know all the shortcuts to type in the konsole so kdes icons catch my attention but gnome... is nicer... lol
[08:56] <cwillu> I'm usually ssh'd into a couple boxes.. rootless x server is wonderful.
[08:56] <snowman> how can i configure my network device
[08:56] <nameless1> yeah i am gona get realy into php when i got this system setup so i need more then a terminal :P
[08:56] <nalioth> synthetic_: i find konsole to blow
[08:56] <snowman> because it was not detected with ifconfig
[08:56] <cwillu> but do you really know what half of them are?
[08:56] <synthetic_> nalioth:  huh?
[08:57] <nalioth> synthetic_: sorry, nick proximity error
[08:57] <synthetic_> np
[08:57] <scizho> what is your network device?
[08:57] <nalioth> nameless1: my opinion is konsole blows
[08:57] <snowman> i don't know
[08:58] <cwillu> brb
[08:58] <snowman> when you configure it during installation everything is ok
[08:58] <snowman> but when i say configure it not at that time
[08:58] <snowman> afterwards in gnome
[08:58] <snowman> ifconfig finds nothing
[08:58] <cwillu> does it show up in System | admin | networking?
[08:59] <synthetic_> it says i need ncurses-devel?
[08:59] <synthetic_> to do make menuconfig
[08:59] <LokeDK> I have a Logitech MX518 mouse.. how can I set the resolution to 1600 dpi? I used lmctl before.. with my MX518.. I can set it to 800 with "lmctl --800" .. but if I use --1600 it says root@wombat:/home/loke # lmctl --1600
[08:59] <LokeDK> lmctl: you must specify a command.
[08:59] <LokeDK> Use lmctl --help for usage information.
[08:59] <LokeDK> root@wombat:/home/loke #
[08:59] <cwillu> so....
[08:59] <nalioth> synthetic_: so install it
[08:59] <snowman> yes it showed up now
[08:59] <cwillu> synaptic install :)
[08:59] <`crimsun> synthetic_, yes, you need libncurses5-dev
[08:59] <synthetic_> apt-get libncurses5-dev ?
[08:59] <cwillu> -i
[08:59] <LokeDK> and it should exist.. lmctl --help says there's a       --1600                 Set matching devices to a resolution of 1600cpi
[08:59] <`crimsun> apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[09:00] <cwillu> snowman, are you good then?
[09:00] <snowman> but the problem is i will not show up if i say in debian installer do not configure card at that moment
[09:00] <Blue_Summer> once ive installed a program with cedega how do i open it up again?
[09:00] <snowman> no i am not
[09:00] <cwillu> because you told it not to configure
[09:00] <cwillu> :p
[09:00] <cwillu> ifconfig ethX up\
[09:00] <cwillu> bash
[09:00] <cwillu> bah
[09:00] <cwillu> ifconfig eth0 up
[09:00] <snowman> i start again:
[09:01] <snowman> ifconfig showed me the first time i installed it no eth0
[09:01] <HappyFool> LokeDK: maybe that's the option to a command. i don't have lmctl, so i don't know. read the --help more carefully
[09:01] <snowman> even no loopback device
[09:01] <snowman> nothing
[09:01] <snowman> there was ifconfig
[09:01] <snowman> ....
[09:01] <snowman> and then the linux prompt again
[09:02] <LokeDK> HappyFool, I have.. it's listed below the others.. like --800
[09:02] <snowman> because i said do not configure my network card at the time while i was running through debian installer
[09:02] <nameless1> YEAH finaly got some video going, but got no sound!
[09:02] <HappyFool> LokeDK: so does --800 work ?
[09:02] <nameless1> *YAY*!!!
[09:02] <HappyFool> snowman: no loopback is moderately weird
[09:02] <scizho> nameless1 : gstreamer-mad
[09:02] <LokeDK> HappyFool, yeah
[09:02] <snowman> now as I said yes configure my device with debian installer everything is ok now
[09:02] <snowman> but what was the problem?
[09:02] <HappyFool> LokeDK: ah. ok, in that case i'll stop guessing. sounds like a bug
[09:03] <scizho> it's the audio codec
[09:03] <cwillu> and 'ifconfig ethX up' didn't work?
[09:03] <`crimsun> (gstreamer0.8-mad)
[09:03] <LokeDK> HappyFool, Oh okay.. thanks anyways
[09:03] <DAWKIRST> hi ppl
[09:03] <cwillu> it would come up basically blank, but still come up
[09:04] <nameless1> Hey does anyone know what audio codec the VTC video tutorials use?
[09:04] <snowman> Another question
[09:04] <snowman> ?
[09:04] <scizho> not me
[09:04] <cwillu> shoot
[09:04] <DAWKIRST> ok...
[09:04] <snowman> How do I force synaptic to read my debian package
[09:04] <HappyFool> nameless1: does 'file <filename.whatever>' not tell you?
[09:05] <cwillu> dpkg -i <your package name>
[09:05] <DAWKIRST> I accidentally deleted my "start" panel...
[09:05] <HappyFool> nameless1: e.g., on my super-dodgy airwolf avis, i get this: Airwolf_S02E16.The_Truth_About_Holly.DivX.DVDRip-sInUs.ShareReactor.avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 416 x 320, 25.00 fps, video: DivX 5, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz)
[09:05] <snowman> No I want to read the index files of debian with the grafical synaptic
[09:05] <cwillu> sudo dpkg -i <your package name> I should say
[09:05] <DAWKIRST> How do I get it back?
[09:05] <cwillu> make sure synaptic is closed
[09:05] <snowman> and he told me can't find index files
[09:05] <cwillu> (not a big deal, it'll just give an error)
[09:05] <nameless1> ahhh
[09:05] <cwillu> one sec
[09:05] <nameless1> cool didnt know that
[09:06] <cwillu> as in, the online repositories or a deb file?
[09:06] <HappyFool> DAWKIRST: try right-clicking on some blank space on the bottom panel, and choose 'add panel'
[09:06] <scizho> DAWKIRST : right klik in the panel, click add to panel
[09:06] <snowman> I want to read in a whole CD Set not just a single package
[09:06] <scizho> add whatever thing you need
[09:06] <synthetic_> in my .config i need to change config_cardbus=y to config_cardbus=m
[09:06] <synthetic_> i deleted the y but i don't know how to add the m
[09:06] <cwillu> repositories, add, custom
[09:07] <cwillu> I'm not dead sure on the exact line though from there
[09:07] <Blue_Summer> Anyone know where to get more quotes for wanda the fish on my gnome toolbar?
[09:07] <cwillu> there's also a sources file (which is the actual back end), I think there's an example of the exact line for a cd, just uncomment and edit to suit
[09:07] <matt_> can someone help me get a mx 1000 working on ubuntu
[09:07] <cwillu> /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:08] <HappyFool> snowman: you can also use apt-cdrom -- maybe read 'man apt-cdrom' for more
[09:08] <tuks> Does anybody know how I can add an Icon to the applications menu under graphics?
[09:08] <cwillu> I might have lied though
[09:09] <cwillu> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html
[09:09] <cwillu> apt-cdrom
[09:09] <Teatimer> jamey3, hello again can I bug you a bit more :D
[09:09] <HappyFool> snowman: also, installing packages from debian may not be all that good an idea
[09:09] <DAWKIRST> HappyFool, scizho: my enire start panel is gone. Like where I can go into synaptic...
[09:10] <snowman> HappyFool: Why?
[09:10] <HappyFool> DAWKIRST: right-click on empty space on the bottom panel, and choose 'New panel'
[09:10] <matt_> anyone have a working Logitech MX 1000 mouse in ubuntu
[09:10] <Teatimer> Can anyone here help me with executing a binary file (it has a blue diamond for an icon)
[09:10] <neighborlee> tuks, if you mean add your own app/icon then you just need that menu editor..check: ubuntuguide.org for 'menu'
[09:10] <cwillu> well, it's not supported... many will work just fine, others may not, and ubuntu has basically no control over it
[09:10] <_SWAT_> how can I make a keyboard shortcut for XMMS (next song), somehow xmms won't accept the shortcut... :/
[09:11] <HappyFool> snowman: because if libc gets upgraded, or something equally weird, your system may be completely broken
[09:11] <Blue_Summer> anyone know if i can get more quotes for wanda the fish in gnome?
[09:11] <cwillu> HappyFool, that would cause a conflict though, wouldn't it?
[09:11] <HappyFool> snowman: your system seems to already by a bit weird (no loopback interface)
[09:11] <nalioth> neighborlee: please do not recomend ubuntuguide
[09:12] <cwillu> I've typically only got dist wide issues after forcing past a conflict
[09:12] <matt_> How do I test opengl in gnome
[09:12] <neighborlee> nalioth, ?why..has something changed ?
[09:12] <nalioth> neighborlee: please see #3 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[09:12] <neighborlee> nalioth, ah ok..acknowledged
[09:12] <nalioth> neighborlee: that article is on the wiki
[09:12] <terasurfer> Does anybody know what might cause a GLib allocation error when launching rhythmbox?  It happens in gnome but not KDE
[09:13] <HappyFool> cwillu: i'm not sure
[09:13] <nalioth> tuks: see this URL https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo   and stay away from ubuntuguide
[09:13] <cwillu> snowman, what packages are you looking for?
[09:13] <Ghetek> i installed wine from cvs, how do i get rid of it now?
[09:13] <cwillu> you may be able to find them if you set synaptic to show disabled sources, and then enable the universe packages....  you're more likely to have some luck with those, although they're also unsupported
[09:14] <snowman> HappyFool: Yes, It is! So the first Contact with Ubuntu is very sad. I gave it a try and it dissapointed me
[09:14] <snowman> HappyFool: What distribution are you using
[09:14] <DAWKIRST> HappyFool: thanks.
[09:14] <HappyFool> snowman: ubuntu
[09:14] <snowman> HappyFool: Do you like it?
[09:15] <HappyFool> snowman: indeed. so far feels better than fedora/redhat
[09:15] <snowman> HappyFool: I tried to install midnight commander. But Ubuntu comes without :(
[09:15] <snowman> HappyFool: What shell I do now
[09:15] <synthetic_> Gaaaaah i'm trying to build the atmel wlan drivers for my wireless NIC
[09:15] <tman_> How in the hell do you get Eclipse IDE to print in Linux?
[09:16] <DAWKIRST> HappyFool: it's blank. Should I just add new panels, or is there a way to restore the defualt?
[09:16] <synthetic_> so i did make pcmcia buildonly=debug
[09:16] <synthetic_> but it's giving my errors
[09:16] <HappyFool> DAWKIRST: unfortunately you'll need to add all the pieces yourself
[09:16] <synthetic_> *me
[09:16] <HappyFool> snowman: have you tried installing the 'mc' package?
[09:16] <neighborlee> nalioth yes...ok ic now i missed one line..the wiki is more useful as in less 'one line commands' and such..ok got it NMMM
[09:16] <nalioth> snowman: its called 'mc'
[09:16] <HappyFool> snowman: it's in the universe repository
[09:16] <synthetic_> *[all]  error 2
[09:17] <nalioths_dog> snowman: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[09:17] <nameless1> there are probably alot of programs for doin "code" in linux. I know some php and want to get even more into it so does anyone know the best program for writin php\mysql\html\css in ?
[09:17] <DAWKIRST> HappyFool: ty anyway.
[09:17] <drx> what do I do if i accidently removed all files in /usr/local/  is there a way to restore it ? if not I know what folders where in there can i somewhere install the programs again ? (Yeah i know this was really stupid but nothing i can do about that more than learn from it)
[09:17] <nalioths_dog> snowman: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:17] <HappyFool> DAWKIRST: you'll be able to do it that way?
[09:17] <Teatimer> Anyone here ever used Discreet Smoke?
[09:17] <nalioth> nameless1: quanta, bluefish, nvu
[09:17] <nalioth> nameless1: again, "Best" is relative
[09:17] <snowman> in my synaptic list is no mc package
[09:17] <nameless1> nalioth: thx
[09:18] <nalioth> snowman: nalioths_dog sent you some info above
[09:18] <nameless1> i meant best for "php" instead of "cpp" :P so its not relative this time lol
[09:18] <HappyFool> drx: you can google for 'linux undelete', but you're probably better off just reinstalling
[09:18] <tman_> Ok, got a question for ANYONE here.  Ready?
[09:18] <synthetic_> can someone help my out?
[09:18] <cwillu> snowman
[09:18] <snowman> HappyFool: There is no mc package
[09:18] <nalioth> drx: once you delete something in linux, it usually very gone
[09:19] <cwillu> settings, repository, settings
[09:19] <matt_> Can someone help me get my Mouse working in ubuntu
[09:19] <matt_> please
[09:19] <HappyFool> snowman: it's in universe. please read the links nalioth and nalioths_dog posted
[09:19] <nalioth> snowman: do you have the universe and multiverse repositories enabled?
[09:19] <drx> HappyFool: reinstall ubuntu completely ?
[09:19] <cwillu> turn on disabled repositories
[09:19] <HappyFool> drx: no, reinstall whatever you put in /usr/local
[09:19] <HappyFool> drx: oh, you mean the directory structure that's there?
[09:19] <nalioth> HappyFool: drx only /usr/local was wiped?
[09:19] <HappyFool> drx: i can ls -lR /usr/local and send the output to you, if you want
[09:20] <HappyFool> drx: it should be pretty empty on my machine
[09:20] <synthetic_> Can anyone please help me?
[09:20] <nalioth> HappyFool: that won't work, cuz /usr/local is different on each users puter
[09:20] <drx> HappyFool: I did a ls before deleting everything so i know what was in there
[09:20] <HappyFool> nalioth: surely only if stuff has been installed there ?
[09:20] <cwillu> what errors?
[09:20] <HappyFool> drx: ok, well, there you go ;)
[09:20] <nalioth> HappyFool: you're talkin to a user who has a FULL /usr/local/ tree
[09:20] <drx> HappyFool: but there are folders like 'lib' that i don't know what was in them
[09:21] <HappyFool> nalioth: and you're talking to one who has an empty /usr/local tree ;)
[09:21] <cwillu> synthetic_?
[09:21] <nalioth> HappyFool: to each their own, but each users /usr/local may be different
[09:21] <synthetic_> * all error 2
[09:21] <nalioth> HappyFool: and also, if there was nothing in his, the system won't be affected
[09:22] <synthetic_> make: *** [pcmf502r]  error 2
[09:22] <personal> hello
[09:22] <nalioth> drx: if you only wiped out /usr/local, you got a CHEAP learning experience
[09:22] <HappyFool> heh
[09:22] <arnaud> what was the way to define priorities between repositories ?
[09:22] <HappyFool> arnaud: pinning
[09:22] <HappyFool> arnaud: the wiki has a very brief pinning howto
[09:23] <cwillu> I think you're into something that is beyond this irc forum synthetic_
[09:23] <arnaud> HappyFool, thanks I'll have a look
[09:23] <synthetic_> >_>
[09:23] <cwillu> is there a guide that came with the drivers?
[09:23] <cwillu> where did you download them from?
[09:23] <nalioth> what is the URL for pastebin?
[09:23] <synthetic_> atmelwlandriver.sf.net
[09:23] <nalioth> duh
[09:23] <HappyFool> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:24] <grogoreo> hi
[09:24] <nalioth> synthetic_: go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl and paste your output there
[09:24] <synthetic_> thanks nalioth
[09:25] <grogoreo> I'm having a problem with my hard drive and am wondering if there are any disk drive tools. I'm running Ubuntu Live CD now, and the problem is that when I come to format the drive it just fails. I have tried doing it manually and using the defaults which works OK, just when it comes to physically formatting the drive there are problems.
[09:25] <remyforbes777> guys im getting an error cp:cannot stat 'arch/i386/crypto/aies-i586ko. when I do a make modules_install
[09:25] <HappyFool> grogoreo: what do you mean by 'physically formatting the drive' ?
[09:25] <HappyFool> grogoreo: what tool are you using ?
[09:26] <grogoreo> sorry, i mean the step after designating the partitions.
[09:26] <Strife> HappyFool: a hammer
[09:26] <grogoreo> HappyFool: physically, actually doing the designated partitions
[09:27] <HappyFool> grogoreo: i'm not quite following, but nm. what error do you get?
[09:27] <cwillu> synthetic_, I don't suppose you've got the kernel sources?
[09:27] <Teatimer> Can anyone here help me execute a binary?
[09:27] <Strife> HappyFool: he means formatting as opposed to partitioning
[09:27] <Strife> Teatimer: ./binaryname
[09:27] <Strife> :P
[09:27] <HappyFool> Strife: as in mkfs ?
[09:27] <Scorpinf> can someone help me out with rar
[09:27] <Strife> HappyFool: I think so
[09:28] <remyforbes777> guys im getting an error cp:cannot stat 'arch/i386/crypto/aies-i586ko. when I do a make modules_install
[09:28] <Scorpinf> im trying to split the files at a sertin size
[09:28] <grogoreo> the background goes Red and then says it cannot make the ext3 partition
[09:28] <Scorpinf> rar a -v[10k]  gt.rar *   doesn't work
[09:28] <nalioth> Teatimer: use "file filename.whatever" to find out what it is
[09:28] <synthetic_> i have the kernel sources, yes
[09:29] <HappyFool> grogoreo: does it say anything else? that is not an especially useful error message
[09:29] <matt_> how do I kill a program
[09:29] <`crimsun> [synthetic_, you need linux-headers-$(uname -r) to compile a kernel module] 
[09:29] <grogoreo> HappyFool: sorry for the way I'm putting it, but when you install linux you say what partitions you want (so you are designating them and are not set in place unless formatted) and then after you've said what you want you properly make those partitons (format).
[09:29] <grogoreo> I know
[09:29] <cwillu> pkill -s 7 <processname>
[09:29] <synthetic_> i compiled the kernel i think
[09:29] <grogoreo> I think it may be a phsical (as in actual drive) problem
[09:29] <synthetic_> i extracted linux-source-2.6.10.tar.bz2
[09:30] <Scorpinf> got it working :)
[09:30] <Teatimer> nalioth thank you atleast that confirms its just a binary :D
[09:30] <grogoreo> as I've tried warty and that didnt work
[09:30] <Teatimer> Strife hey dude thanks seemed to get it going! but it is asking for libDlVI0api.so which I presume is a library dependency?
[09:30] <HappyFool> grogoreo: hrm. i guess you need a disk checking program
[09:30] <grogoreo> what I'm looking for is like a defrag tool or something, maybe just to clean it up
[09:30] <grogoreo> ue
[09:31] <grogoreo> ye
[09:31] <grogoreo> does Ubuntu come with one?
[09:31] <tman_> Did someone here have a mouse problem?
[09:31] <remyforbes777> guys im getting an error cp:cannot stat 'arch/i386/crypto/aies-i586ko. when I do a make modules_install
[09:31] <synthetic_> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/385 that's what i'm getting
[09:31] <nalioth> Teatimer: so do the ./binaryname thing from a terminal
[09:31] <synthetic_> tman, i'm having a mouse problem
[09:31] <nalioth> grogoreo: methinks you would ask about S.M.A.R.T tools to check the drives integrity
[09:31] <synthetic_> i have the little analog nub type of thing on my notebook but i have a usb optical mouse plugged in
[09:31] <tman_> Is it not being detected
[09:31] <Teatimer> nalioth I did that and is asking for a .so file
[09:32] <HappyFool> grogoreo: i'm not really an expert on this, but i see a program called 'badblocks' on my system
[09:32] <synthetic_> warty found it right away, hoary isn't finding it
[09:32] <HappyFool> grogoreo: you say you have the live cd ?
[09:32] <synthetic_> nope, not detected
[09:32] <nalioth> Teatimer: what exactly are you tryin to install?
[09:32] <tman_> What kind of mouse?
[09:32] <cwillu> where did you put the kernel sources?
[09:32] <grogoreo> HappyFool: yes
[09:32] <teroedni> anybody know what coomand to use in a terminal when you are going to copy a file from a to b?
[09:32] <grogoreo> nalioth: do you know where i can get one
[09:32] <synthetic_> some random notebook optical mouse i got at compusa
[09:32] <HappyFool> grogoreo: ok, and the drive you want to install to is the only hard drive in the computer ?
[09:32] <cwillu> cp
[09:32] <cwillu> teroedni:  cp
[09:33] <grogoreo> HappyFool: yes
[09:33] <tman_> is it USB?
[09:33] <teroedni> :)
[09:33] <Blue_Summer> Anyone know how to get any moree quotes for wanda the fish?
[09:33] <synthetic_> nalioth, this is the output i get http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/385
[09:33] <synthetic_> yes tman
[09:33] <nalioth> are there S.M.A.R.T tools on the liveCD?
[09:33] <grogoreo> i could always use APT
[09:33] <HappyFool> grogoreo: ok, my idea is to start a terminal, and run 'badblocks /dev/hda'
[09:34] <HappyFool> grogoreo: or maybe 'badblocks -v /dev/hda'
[09:34] <grogoreo> ok
[09:34] <HappyFool> grogoreo: afaict, that will not write to the disk
[09:34] <grogoreo> btw, its a SATA drive (would that matter)
[09:34] <grogoreo> so sda
[09:34] <thenuke> I suggest that you use -c option too
[09:34] <HappyFool> grogoreo: yeah, /dev/sda
[09:34] <HappyFool> thenuke: thanks
[09:34] <DAWKIRST> Does anyone know a good video editor?
[09:34] <HappyFool> grogoreo: you got that? 'badblocks -c /dev/sda'
[09:34] <thenuke> and specify a blocksize like umm.. hmm.. 64? 128? 256?
[09:35] <HappyFool> 64 is apparently the default
[09:35] <nalioth> grogoreo: if yer gonna apt anything, apt this "smartmontools"
[09:35] <thenuke> It will speedup the process a big time.
[09:35] <thenuke> HappyFool: ah ok.
[09:35] <Blue_Summer> if ive installed steam with cedega how do i open steam up again once ive say rebooted?
[09:36] <nalioth> DAWKIRST: cinepaint
[09:36] <HappyFool> from 'man badblocks':  if  you think youre smarter than the badblocks program, you almost certainly arent.'
[09:36] <DAWKIRST> nalioth: ty, I'll check it out.
[09:37] <arnaud> HappyFool, ok about pinning. I checked the wiki and use the line APT::Default-Release "hoary"; will hoary-security updates still be installed ?
[09:37] <HappyFool> arnaud: i don't know, sorry
[09:37] <snowman> HappyFool: Why do I have to download everything from a fucking respository. I want to have it right away from a cd like debian's 14 CD Packages. There is everything i need on it?
[09:37] <grogoreo> HappyFool: hmm, for some reason it says "badblocks: bad simultaneous block count - /dev/sda" and I've tried sda1 too
[09:38] <HappyFool> snowman: if you like debian, then use it ;)
[09:38] <HappyFool> grogoreo: drop the -c, sorry
[09:38] <snowman> i like debian. but it does not come with gnome 2.10
[09:38] <HappyFool> grogoreo: or try -c 128 or -c 256
[09:38] <HappyFool> snowman: then feel free to swear at people who are not paid to help you *shrug*
[09:38] <Blue_Summer> Anyone know on cedega how to change the reseloution of a program because it is too small?
[09:38] <snowman> HappyFool: I want to have the gnome 2.10
[09:38] <tman_> synthetic_:  In your Xorg.conf your mouse may need to be configured using /dev/psaux.  Is that the case?
[09:39] <synthetic_> tman_, i'm not sure...where do i look for that?  sorry, i've only been on linux for two days
[09:40] <tman_> are you in X (gui)?
[09:40] <matt_> anyway to get a Logitech MX 1000 laser mouse working in ubuntu
[09:40] <matt_> all the buttons
[09:40] <synthetic_> yes
[09:40] <Will__>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:40] <HappyFool> Blue_Summer: try asking in #cedega
[09:40] <grogoreo> HappyFool: argh, for some reason it says "badblocks: No such device or address while trying to determine device size"
[09:40] <grogoreo> HappyFool: but I can see it in the Device manager
[09:40] <HappyFool> grogoreo: no /dev/sda ?
[09:40] <HappyFool> grogoreo: hrm
[09:41] <grogoreo> but there are no partitions so does it matter?
[09:41] <matt_> ok
[09:41] <matt_> what do I do in there
[09:41] <HappyFool> grogoreo: i think you want /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1
[09:41] <remyforbes777> guys im getting an error cp:cannot stat 'arch/i386/crypto/aies-i586ko. when I do a make modules_install
[09:41] <grogoreo> HappyFool: tried both
[09:41] <klaym> how can I set gXine as my default mediaplayer ?
[09:42] <HappyFool> grogoreo: are you root? I'm not that familiar with the livecd
[09:42] <HappyFool> grogoreo: try maybe 'sudo badblocks /dev/sda'
[09:42] <grogoreo> im doing sudo
[09:42] <HappyFool> hrm
[09:42] <snowman> HappyFool: What other Distribution can you recommend me. It shall be like Debian but comes with latest graphical frontend?
[09:42] <grogoreo> HappyFool: I've tried to mount it (i know i cant) in GNOME it it says "mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device"
[09:43] <HappyFool> grogoreo: ok, let's try this: 'sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=1k count=1'
[09:43] <HappyFool> snowman: i'm not really a distro expert. doesn't debian have a 'testing' or 'unstable' branch or something with more up-to-date software?
[09:43] <synthetic_> tman_, i'm using x
[09:43] <digitalfox> how do I disable the clock updating?
[09:43] <digitalfox> at boot?
[09:43] <matt_> anyway to get a Logitech MX 1000 laser mouse working in ubuntu
[09:44] <HappyFool> grogoreo: that ought to read 1k of data from /dev/sda
[09:44] <snowman> HappyFool: They have a testing branche but not the latest software
[09:44] <grogoreo> HappyFool: dd: opening `/dev/sda': No such device or address
[09:44] <HappyFool> grogoreo: does 'sudo fdisk -l' list any /dev/sda partitions ?
[09:44] <nalioth> grogoreo: install the smartmontools and use them
[09:44] <tman_> synthetic_:  hit alt-F1, then navigate to the System Tools --> Terminal.  Select terminal
[09:44] <QMario> Is an Intel Pentium 4 Hyper-Threading Processor faster than an Inter Celeron D?
[09:45] <HappyFool> nalioth: can you install stuff when using the livecd ?
[09:45] <digitalfox> QMario, you can't even compare
[09:45] <tman_> oops, first I'd imagine you're in Gnome?
[09:45] <grogoreo> HappyFool: no
[09:45] <synthetic_> alright, i've got a terminal open
[09:45] <grogoreo> nalioth: going to try that now
[09:45] <digitalfox> QMario, very different designs
[09:45] <nalioth> HappyFool: yes, it installs into memory
[09:45] <HappyFool> grogoreo: what partitions does it list, if any?
[09:45] <HappyFool> nalioth: ok, cool
[09:45] <grogoreo> HappyFool: none
[09:45] <QMario> Oh okay.
[09:45] <HappyFool> erk
[09:45] <HappyFool> grogoreo: something is very screwy
[09:47] <nalioth> HappyFool: he needs to ask the s.m.a.r.t daemon a question
[09:47] <tman__> test
[09:47] <grogoreo> HappyFoo: this is why I'm thinking it is the actual drive. Even though I havent touched it (with my hand or dropped it) whiles firstly trying to install Ubuntu earlier on today I stopped it in the middle of loading the partitioner and/or in the middle of a partition
[09:47] <Efwis> snowman, try using the repo's for ubuntu and download it to debian
[09:47] <HappyFool> nalioth: what, like, will you take my soul in exchange for wales ?
[09:47] <zenlunatic> my sound skips anyone know why? it skips on many different things, ie intro audio and mp3.
[09:48] <synthetic_> wb tman
[09:48] <grogoreo> (side question what where can I get a list of warty repositories?)
[09:48] <nalioth> grogoreo: when you get smartmontools installed, run 'smartctl /dev/<drive ID>'
[09:48] <zenlunatic> grogoreo: ubuntuguide
[09:48] <zenlunatic> grogoreo: um maybe google it
[09:48] <tman__> synthetic:  are you there in nano yet?
[09:48] <zenlunatic> grogoreo: learn to learn
[09:48] <nalioth> zenlunatic: tsk tsk
[09:48] <madmavric> sounds like audio driver problems zen
[09:48] <synthetic_> tman__ yeah i'm in a terminal
[09:49] <nalioth> grogoreo: stay away from ubuntuguide
[09:49] <HappyFool> nalioth: if dd can't see it, you reckon smartmon will ?
[09:49] <nalioth> grogoreo: use wiki.ubuntu.com instead
[09:49] <grogoreo> nalioth: ok thanks
[09:49] <zenlunatic> nalioth: whats wrong with ug just wondering
[09:49] <nalioth> HappyFool: smartmontools uses the hardware S.M.A.R.T technology
[09:49] <baikonur> hi
[09:49] <snowman> HappyFool: The problem is if i download a package that i like with synaptic, it will not be available in that version or maybe never again, when i need it 4 years later?
[09:49] <tman__> type:  "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf", without the quotes.
[09:49] <nalioth> zenlunatic: see #3, please https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[09:50] <digitalfox> ah, but what about D.U.M.B.
[09:50] <HappyFool> snowman: i think i'm missing some context in this conversation
[09:50] <snowman> HappyFool: Or If i want to install it on several computers i have to download it over and over again
[09:50] <madmavric> the unofficial ubuntu users guide rocks
[09:50] <synthetic_> alright, i'm there
[09:50] <baikonur> I have package (xfld-desktop) that wants to upgrade itself ever again, when I run apt-get upgrade. What can I do to remove from apt-get upgrade manually, because it is updated
[09:50] <snowman> HappyFool: The context is installaing with synaptic and universe
[09:50] <nalioth> madmavric: see #3, please https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[09:51] <topyli> snowman: you can make CDs or a LAN repository. the packages are archived in /var
[09:51] <tman__> arrow down to the section, "InputDevices"  under Core Pointer's InputDevices section.
[09:51] <snowman> HappyFool: What i want to say that this kind of installation medthod is a bad habbit
[09:51] <synthetic_> there's nothing there
[09:51] <madmavric> ubuntu guide still rocks
[09:51] <zenlunatic> nalioth: i see. what about the forums?
[09:52] <HappyFool> snowman: evidently your requirements are not met by ubuntu or debian. Have you looked at other distributions?
[09:52] <snowman> HappyFool: It's Like Microsofts Online or Java Web start feature
[09:52] <nalioth> zenlunatic: the forums are self-correcting
[09:52] <madmavric> everything i did on ubuntu that i got from ubuntu guide worked fine
[09:52] <zenlunatic> madmavric: not me
[09:52] <nalioth> madmavric: and i wish you long and happy usage
[09:52] <synthetic_> i know what i did
[09:52] <snowman> HappyFool: I don't know what other distributions I shall look to
[09:52] <synthetic_> case sensitive
[09:52] <zenlunatic> madmavric: the powerpc guide is broken in the repository section
[09:52] <madmavric> everythings running great here
[09:52] <synthetic_> one sec
[09:53] <nalioth> use of the ubuntuguide for lots of users leads them here with broken systems
[09:53] <zenlunatic> madmavric: they advise you to use packages on some random server
[09:53] <nalioth> snowman: mandriva
[09:53] <tman__> What do you mean there's nothing there?  Is it all commented out?
[09:53] <nalioth> snowman: linspire
[09:53] <synthetic_> still nothing
[09:53] <synthetic_> gaaaah
[09:53] <zenlunatic> snowman: ubuntu is already a great distro. why switch?
[09:53] <nalioth> snowman: www.linuxfromscratch.org
[09:54] <HappyFool> grogoreo: are you getting anywhere
[09:54] <madmavric> personally i like xandros open circulation editon, everything works fine, but its slower than ubuntu
[09:54] <synthetic_> nalioth, you're a horrible person
[09:54] <synthetic_> :P
[09:54] <nalioth> snowman: lfs will give you complete and omnipotentiary control over your distro
[09:54] <zenlunatic> madmavric: never tried xandros
[09:54] <nalioth> synthetic_: yes i am
[09:54] <grogoreo> HappyFool: just looking for those repositories. I've found the universe but cant remember what else, main?
[09:54] <snowman> nalioth: I think i will try linux from scratch
[09:54] <madmavric> its debian based, commercial with a free open circ edition
[09:54] <grogoreo> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main
[09:54] <nalioths_dog> grogoreo: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[09:54] <synthetic_> snowman:  good call
[09:55] <nalioths_dog> grogoreo: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:55] <zenlunatic> snowman: why would you want to use linux from scratch?
[09:55] <HappyFool> nalioth: bear in mind he seems to be using warty
[09:55] <grogoreo> nalioths_dog: n1 thanks
[09:55] <Teatimer> I like ubuntu...BUT my radeon creeps along, WIFI wont work, and I still can't get some software to run
[09:55] <nalioth> grogoreo: you are using a warty liveCD?
[09:55] <grogoreo> ye
[09:55] <grogoreo> so I'll change it to warty
[09:55] <grogoreo> not hoary
[09:55] <synthetic_> alright tman__ i'm in xorg.conf
[09:56] <nalioth> grogoreo: thats the ticket
[09:56] <zenlunatic> snowman: other than to learn linux from scratch is useless. also what you can learn on lfs you can learn on ubuntu.
[09:56] <Amaranth> you're forced to learn it with lfs
[09:56] <tman__> cursor down to the section InputDevices
[09:56] <Amaranth> gentoo is lfs with a package manager ;)
[09:56] <zenlunatic> snowman: gnu/linux is gnu/linux
[09:56] <madmavric> ubuntu isnt bad for learning , theres tons of websites with instructions out there, like www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:56] <zenlunatic> Amaranth: good for gentoo
[09:56] <snowman> zenlunatic: What you mean? I think i did not got you right
[09:56] <nalioth> lfs will give him complete and utter control over his linux environment.
[09:57] <nalioth> madmavric: please dont advise that
[09:57] <zenlunatic> snowman: just read the man pages and you'll learn
[09:57] <madmavric> i always advise to people the things that have worked for me
[09:57] <zenlunatic> snowman: also im just saying that all gnu/linux distros are bascially the same
[09:58] <madmavric> ive come in here looking for answers to things like enabling root login under gnome and gotten no answers, my advise is ubuntuguide is the place to go for answers
[09:58] <snowman> zenlunatic: What i don't like is that ubuntu comes with absolute no software
[09:58] <synthetic_> okay, i'm there, tman__
[09:58] <madmavric> advice
[09:58] <nalioth> snowman: software is easily obtained
[09:58] <zenlunatic> snowman: um what software do you need thats not there?
[09:58] <zenlunatic> snowman: just compile it yourself
[09:59] <snowman> zenlunatic: I have to download me everything over the respository.
[09:59] <topyli> madmavric: to get correct information about such things, refer to the wiki
[09:59] <zenlunatic> snowman: compile it yourself is what you'd be doing on lfs
[09:59] <snowman> zenlunatic: i know
[09:59] <zenlunatic> snowman: um thats how you i nstall software. you download it.
[09:59] <tman__> Under Identifier and driver, for Mouse1 what do you have for Option "Device"?
[09:59] <madmavric> whats the link for wiki?
[09:59] <zenlunatic> madmavric: um google it
[10:00] <Cascade> anybody using ubuntu with acpi on a T23?
[10:00] <HappyFool> madmavric: wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:00] <synthetic_> /dev/input/mice
[10:00] <snowman> zenlunatic: yes but for example to download everything over a respository. That is not as high available as a cd rom in your pocket
[10:00] <mbirkis> how do i fix back my grub in ubuntu? i just installed win xp, and it removed my grub
[10:00] <madmavric> how come wiki hasnt updated its web certificates lol
[10:00] <Efwis> snowman, that was done by ubunutu for a reason, when ubuntu did what Debian does, it crashed there ssytem because it was all cutting edge programs
[10:00] <snowman> zenlunatic: isn't it i want everything on cdrom an can choose quickly
[10:01] <pgidz> snowman the cd goes out of date and the repos are kept upto date
[10:01] <zenlunatic> snowman: so *download* 15 rpm distro cds and then have everything in your pocket
[10:01] <zenlunatic> snowman: your logic is flawed
[10:01] <madmavric> unable to verify wiki.ubuntu as a trusted site, hmmmmm
[10:01] <zenlunatic> snowman: if your on dial-up i would say use debian and buy the cds of stable
[10:01] <tman__> you might want to try changing to "/dev/psaux".  When you do this.  Wait for my instruction so if something goes bad...
[10:01] <synthetic_> okay
[10:01] <HappyFool> madmavric: yeah. the irony of shuttleworth not having website certificates correctly setup is quite rich ;)
[10:02] <tman__> Then you have clear instructions on how to change back.
[10:02] <snowman> zenlunatic: this is what i am saying (I have dial up)
[10:02] <zenlunatic> snowman: so read what i said and do it
[10:02] <synthetic_> also, can anyone help me with my wireless nic trouble?  when i try building the atmelwlandrivers i get an error
[10:02] <snowman> zenlunatic: but in stable is not gnome 2.10 included
[10:02] <zenlunatic> snowman: nope
[10:02] <synthetic_> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/385
[10:02] <snowman> zenlunatic: this is my problem
[10:02] <zenlunatic> nalioth: does sound skip for you on ibook/hoary?
[10:03] <madmavric> wiki looks to be the official party line page, all users will only use ubuntu the way we want them too lol
[10:03] <topyli> snowman: no way keeping on the bleeding edge without the net. you'd have to buy new cds every week
[10:03] <nalioth> zenlunatic: not at all
[10:03] <tman__> In case your X server do not restart:  Copy these instructions into a text editor, print them off so you can have them in case you cannot reconnect to the X server.
[10:03] <zenlunatic> snowman: well use an older gnome. gnome 2.10 is not amazingly better
[10:03] <madmavric> comrade ubuntu users hahaha
[10:03] <HappyFool> madmavric: you are aware that a wiki is user-edited?
[10:03] <topyli> snowman: that's what stable distributions are for
[10:03] <zenlunatic> nalioth: mine does and i can't figure out why
[10:03] <WeirdAl> Hello :o
[10:04] <Efwis> snowman, not all distros will be packaged like debian, and as stated already, the disks will go out of date, but he repos will remain updated
[10:04] <nalioth> zenlunatic: been to the wiki?
[10:04] <zenlunatic> snowman: what is your obsession with running the newest softwrae?
[10:04] <grogoreo> sorry for dragging my problems on, but I've tried to add the new repositories but it wont work. The synamptic says they dont exist and apt-get says Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages [483kB] 
[10:04] <grogoreo> E: Method http has died unexpectedly!
[10:04] <zenlunatic> nalioth: um no i actually didn't even know there was a wiki
[10:04] <nalioth> zenlunatic: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[10:04] <zenlunatic> nalioth: until today
[10:04] <HappyFool> grogoreo: hrm
[10:04] <zenlunatic> nalioth: i have been to ubuntu site once for iso download and that is all
[10:05] <HappyFool> grogoreo: maybe try apt-get update again ?
[10:05] <zenlunatic> nalioth: i haven't realy had to troubleshoot anything
[10:05] <synthetic_> this is so confusing :O i just want my mouse/sound/wireless to work but i've been struggling for two days
[10:05] <snowman> zenlunatic: I want to have a real nice looking desktop with all features, the newest thing, but a stable reliable linux under it
[10:05] <WeirdAl> I set up a shared folder using the GUI in System>Administration>Shared Folders. Then I went into Windows and went to \\Eddie\Shared and it asked me for a username and password.
[10:05] <grogoreo> HappyFool: hmm, nope!
[10:05] <WeirdAl> What username and password is that, then?
[10:05] <Efwis> snowman, you already have that with ubuntu
[10:05] <zenlunatic> snowman: um, define "nice looking" and what features are you exactly looking for?
[10:05] <madmavric> zen thought you were having audio problems?
[10:05] <WeirdAl> By "went into Windows" I mean on the other PC
[10:05] <grogoreo> HappyFool: HTTP must be working was I wouldnt be able to speak to you
[10:06] <HappyFool> grogoreo: i get occasional.. ah. hiccups with the repostories. usually re-updating (or re-reloading in synaptic) fixes it
[10:06] <nalioth> WeirdAl: try your useless windows user/pass
[10:06] <snowman> zenlunatic: I want bleeding edge
[10:07] <WeirdAl> nalioth, I don't have one.
[10:07] <zenlunatic> snowman: well bleeding edge isn't distributed via cd
[10:07] <snowman> zenlunatic: Like Gnome 2.10 or KDE 3.4
[10:07] <WeirdAl> nalioth, Actually... you might be onto something there. just a sec
[10:07] <tman__> synthetic:  You didn't mention anything about sound and wireless.  This may be something with either you installation or kernel.
[10:07] <snowman> zenlunatic: It is look at SuSE
[10:07] <nalioth> snowman: bleeding edge is updated DAILY on the web
[10:07] <grogoreo> HappyFool: tried again and nothing! "Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:07] <zenlunatic> snowman: i would advise you to get over this bleeding edge obsession because its stupid
[10:07] <mbirkis> how do i fix back my grub in ubuntu? i just installed win xp, and it removed my grub
[10:08] <zenlunatic> snowman: i used debian woody for years on dialup
[10:08] <HappyFool> nalioth: are you sure apt works on the live cd ?
[10:08] <Teatimer> can anyone help me track down a dependency?
[10:08] <zenlunatic> snowman: otherwise i would say get cable
[10:08] <snowman> zenlunatic: So what you telling me it is not possible to get a nice looking desktop
[10:09] <madmavric> gnome is a decent looking desktop
[10:09] <nalioth> HappyFool: on a warty liveCD i can only guess
[10:09] <zenlunatic> snowman: no im telling you to define "nice looking desktop"
[10:09] <nalioth> HappyFool: is there a site on the web to d/l debs?
[10:09] <pgidz> snowman i have a nice oak desktop but they say veech is nice
[10:09] <scizho> snowman : are you chhose juat to sit there and watch your desktop?
[10:09] <HappyFool> nalioth: he can get it straight from archive.ubuntu.com, or packages.ubuntu.com
[10:09] <nalioth> HappyFool: for smartmontools to point grogoreo to?
[10:09] <snowman> zenlunatic: Gnome 2.10 or KDE 3.4 this is nice looking
[10:09] <grogoreo> I'll just try and find a package with smarttools in
[10:09] <zenlunatic> snowman: gnome 2.6 and gnome 2.10 are the same look
[10:09] <Teatimer> The nice looking desktop? some people like big boobs, some like small boobs. Nice is different to different people
[10:09] <nalioth> grogoreo: smartmontools is the pkg name
[10:09] <djp> does anyone know if it is possible to limit the jerkiness of theora decoding in totem
[10:09] <HappyFool> grogoreo: go to packages.ubuntu.com, search for smartmontols in warty
[10:10] <zenlunatic> Teatimer: exactly
[10:10] <nalioth> Teatimer: :P
[10:10] <Teatimer> BOOBIES!
[10:10] <snowman> zenlunatic: Ok
[10:10] <snowman> zenlunatic: Another question:
[10:10] <zenlunatic> snowman: minor version numbers hardly change looks
[10:10] <HappyFool> grogoreo: here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/warty/utils/smartmontools
[10:11] <HappyFool> grogoreo: no dependencies (well, libc6 hardly counts)
[10:11] <WeirdAl> haro hans brix
[10:11] <snowman> zenlunatic: but they change performance
[10:11] <WeirdAl> crap, sorry, wrong channel :)
[10:11] <snowman> zenlunatic: great performance increase from KDE 3.2 to 3.4
[10:11] <WeirdAl> nalioth, that didn't do anything.
[10:11] <HappyFool> grogoreo: there's a i386 download link on that page. you can then use 'dpkg -i' to install the .deb file you download
[10:11] <nalioth> grogoreo: you should be able to install the pkg easily
[10:11] <grogoreo> thanks nalioth and HappyFools: downloading now
[10:11] <zenlunatic> snowman: um please substantiate those claims
[10:11] <WeirdAl> it just gave me the user/pass box again
[10:11] <nalioth> grogoreo: come back here for usage inst
[10:12] <zenlunatic> snowman: did you read the code? how do you know its a performance increase?
[10:12] <comadreja> I'm trying to add some info to the wiki about my laptop config, but I can't find the register page... where is it ?
[10:12] <WeirdAl> nalioth, I might as well just get Linux to see the Windows partition instead.
[10:12] <nalioth> comadreja: should be at the top
[10:12] <nalioth> comadreja: next to "login"
[10:13] <WeirdAl> thanks anyway
[10:13] <nalioth> WeirdAl: is it on the same HD? or a different box?
[10:13] <snowman> zenlunatic: I dont read the code, but it fells to be quciker. And a lot of people saying this as well
[10:13] <scizho> performance increase usualy means eats more memory...
[10:13] <scizho> :P
[10:13] <WeirdAl> Different box, but I know how to do that.
[10:13] <WeirdAl> :-)
[10:13] <halfino> good evening i'm italian and i've a question ... how i change gdm theme
[10:13] <HappyFool> comadreja: or just click on login. there's a 'First time' section there
[10:13] <zenlunatic> snowman: well "feels to be quicker" isn't some I'm willing to discuss
[10:13] <nalioth> WeirdAl: then make it so
[10:13] <Ghetek> how do i get the IP address of a windows computer on my network?
[10:13] <WeirdAl> Will do. Ciao :)
[10:13] <comadreja> nalioth : there's nothing next to login :/
[10:13] <zenlunatic> Ghetek: ipconfig
[10:13] <snowman> zenlunatic: i don't wanted it to be discussed
[10:13] <madmavric> think i prefer x-chat to gaim
[10:14] <synthetic_> can somebody please help me, i'm at my absolute wits end here
[10:14] <Ghetek> zenlunatic: from my linux machine
[10:14] <snowman> zenlunatic: However I have another question:
[10:14] <zenlunatic> Ghetek: um check your router
[10:14] <HappyFool> comadreja: um, maybe i'm wrong there
[10:14] <Teatimer> umm what is the command for copy?
[10:14] <zenlunatic> Ghetek: what kind of topology do you have?
[10:14] <Ghetek> zenlunatic: it doesnt have the attached devices thing
[10:14] <nalioth> Teatimer: from a terminal "cp"
[10:14] <primos> i
[10:14] <grogoreo> I think it's installed but says "Not starting S.M.A.R.T. daemon smartd, disabled via /etc/default/smartmontools"
[10:14] <Ghetek> all computers connected to router
[10:14] <zenlunatic> Ghetek: one sec
[10:15] <Ghetek> zenlunatic: k
[10:15] <Teatimer> nalioth hehe thank you
[10:15] <snowman> zenlunatic: KDE is not bad and gnome is not bad either, but why doesn't Linux have a desktop like Apple
[10:15] <synthetic_> i upgraded to hoary and found even more problems
[10:15] <nalioth> grogoreo: thats fine
[10:15] <synthetic_> in addition to the wireless nIC not working and the lack of sound, my mouse doesn't work now
[10:15] <madmavric> whorey works good for me
[10:15] <siorfin> what's so great about apple desktop
[10:15] <grogoreo> nalioth: what was the command again please, as its now gone off IRC
[10:15] <djp> does anybody use totem here to playbakc ogg theora vids?
[10:15] <nalioth> grogoreo: open a terminal and type "smartctl /dev/<HD name>
[10:15] <Teatimer> nalioth this damn library is a bith
[10:16] <Teatimer> bitch^ even
[10:16] <snowman> zenlunatic: Why do we have desktop thats only good for opening a shell and playing a little bit with gimp
[10:16] <zenlunatic> snowman: i have nothing to say
[10:16] <jtan325> HappyFool, comadreja: were you guys able to get the dvd working in xine?
[10:16] <madmavric> djp i use xmms old faithful
[10:16] <HappyFool> jtan325: i think comadreja compiled mplayer in the end
[10:16] <comadreja> jtan325 : nopes in xine, I had to recompile mplayer
[10:16] <Cascade> who needs a mouse?
[10:16] <synthetic_> me
[10:16] <djp> madmavric: is theora playback jerky?
[10:16] <jtan325> ugh
[10:16] <comadreja> jtan325 : regarding the sound I found a solution
[10:16] <Teatimer> I want to give openmosaic a spin as it came with Maya
[10:16] <nalioth> comadreja: here ya go try this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrontPage?action=subscribe
[10:16] <snowman> zenlunatic: so you agree with me that this desktop is realy cool
[10:16] <madmavric> your talking video? sorry
[10:17] <comadreja> thanks nalioth, where was it ?
[10:17] <zip_> How to i make special characters like an accented E and the U in Uber?
[10:17] <snowman> zenlunatic: and better than gnome
[10:17] <zip_> without using the character map
[10:17] <zip_> i'm looking for key-combos here =p
[10:17] <djp> madmavric: yes. ogg theora.
[10:17] <zenlunatic> snowman: i have nothing to say
[10:17] <grogoreo> Smartctl open device: /dev/sda failed: No such device or address
[10:17] <nalioth> comadreja: right in front of us
[10:17] <madmavric> for video i use vlc player, which supports every codec ive tried
[10:17] <zenlunatic> snowman: do you have any real questions because i have stuff to do honestly
[10:17] <snowman> zenlunatic: no go ahead
[10:17] <Teatimer> I NEED A LIBRARY! and google can't find it!
[10:18] <HappyFool> grogoreo: what does 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi' say ?
[10:18] <grogoreo> I have something called hde but dont know if this relates but displays nothing with smartctl
[10:18] <comadreja> nalioth : nopes, I can't subscribe
[10:18] <synthetic_> i have a generic usb optical mouse that hoary isn't recognizing
[10:18] <synthetic_> warty picked it up
[10:18] <mbirkis> how can i fix grub?
[10:18] <synthetic_> hoary isn't seeing it
[10:18] <grogoreo> HappyFool, nothing!
[10:18] <djp> madmavric: totem is fine in terms of supported codecs. i only want to use .goo, .ogg theora. it is just that playback of ogg theora is jerky.
[10:18] <HappyFool> grogoreo: afaik sata devices appear under scsi in linux. i may be wrong
[10:19] <HappyFool> grogoreo: what do you see in /proc/ide ?
[10:19] <mbirkis> HappyFool: you are correct
[10:19] <HappyFool> grogoreo: that's a directory, not a file
[10:19] <madmavric> i see, well no experience with ogg theora sorry
[10:19] <psychonate> Haven't tried ogg theora yet. How is it?
[10:19] <marc__> Hi all
[10:19] <HappyFool> mbirkis: there's something called update-grub which might help you -- depends how you broke it, i guess
[10:19] <comadreja> nalioth : it directs me to the UserPreferences page
[10:19] <psychonate> I prefer to use dvd::rip when possible, so if I can encode theora from there, I may try it.
[10:20] <synthetic_> Does anyone know anything about mice, wireless Nics, or sound?  because none of those work
[10:20] <nalioth> comadreja: i'm not sure where to sign up then
[10:20] <marc__> wow lots of people in here
[10:20] <mbirkis> HappyFool: ok... where do i use update-grub? as an boot option from the cd?
[10:20] <grogoreo> HappyFool: hdc, hdd, hde, ide1, ide2 which are folders and files drivers and via
[10:20] <madmavric> billions and billions
[10:20] <HappyFool> comadreja: how about this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/join_form ?
[10:20] <JDahl> HappyFool, With something as recent as Ubuntu, sata definitely appears as scsi
[10:20] <jtan325> comadreja, mind sharing what your solution was?
[10:20] <nalioth> comadreja: hang on
[10:20] <Sophistication> marc__, "I see linux users"
[10:20] <ompaul> synthetic_, what kind of nics, mice, and sound ?
[10:20] <djp> psychonate: well, strange thing is, i have encoded some .avi files into .ogg theora format and they playback well. however the avi files have no sound. ogg theora files i have downloaded which do include sound playback with jerky moments in totem-gstreamer
[10:20] <jtan325> comadreja, (about fixing the sound)
[10:20] <marc__> heh
[10:20] <HappyFool> grogoreo: how many drives do you have in the machine ?
[10:20] <Teatimer> I can't get my wireless NIC to work, ndiswrapper says the hardware and the driver are present. But I doi
[10:20] <madmavric> bill gates nightmare? I see linux users
[10:21] <HappyFool> mbirkis: no, a shell command
[10:21] <marc__> I saw Billgates yesterday
[10:21] <grogoreo> one SATA drive and two CD drives
[10:21] <psychonate> djp, ew, theora in an AVI container?
[10:21] <ompaul> madmavric, no that is his reality
[10:21] <psychonate> djp, why not use ogg or matroska?
[10:21] <mbirkis> HappyFool: but i can't reach my shell... my grub is broken, and i cannot boot...
[10:21] <HappyFool> grogoreo: so it seems likely that /dev/hde is your sata ?
[10:21] <HappyFool> mbirkis: ah
[10:21] <Teatimer> But I don't know how to tell ubuntu to USE my wireless nic
[10:21] <pmfp> is it possible to use dd or ddrescue on libusb devices?
[10:21] <synthetic_> ompaul:  a wireless pcmcia nic that i have the driver for but it won't build, a usb optical mouse that hoary won't recognize even though warty did, and as for sound...i'm not sure, integrated sound in my ibm thinkpad
[10:21] <comadreja> jtan325 : basically, installing libesd-alsa0, and enabling mixing through asound.conf
[10:21] <marc__> He was at live8 talking about third world debt, and how it should be cancelled.. I was standing there thinking MS could probably cancel it on their own
[10:21] <nalioth> grogoreo: its not gonna hurt to run smartctl on all your drives
[10:22] <grogoreo> nalioth: ok, will try
[10:22] <madmavric> billy gates is a swell guy
[10:22] <psychonate> djp, matroska has less overhead than AVI and ogg, and has plenty of nice features
[10:22] <pgidz> if the debt is cancelled they can then afford to but MS windows
[10:22] <HappyFool> JDahl: i'm too stone-age to know much about sata ;)
[10:22] <grogoreo> nalioth, it just says the copyright and site
[10:22] <Seveas>  /kick madmavric please stop badmouthing :)
[10:22] <djp> psychonate: i have a camera that records avi video without sound. i convert the avi file into an ogg theora file using gst-launch from the command line
[10:22] <marc__> Anyone got any ideas on an Xkb error I get after installing the latest ATI drivers?
[10:22] <QMario> How do I get a server type of computer to recognize an Ethernet connection?
[10:23] <madmavric> enable dhcp
[10:23] <HappyFool> grogoreo: how about 'badblocks /dev/hde' ? (to get back to the original idea)
[10:23] <nalioth> grogoreo: use "sudo smartctl /dev/<drive>"
[10:23] <QMario> How do I do that in a terminal?
[10:23] <nalioth> HappyFool: hang on a minim
[10:23] <HappyFool> grogoreo: ok, try smartctl first ;)
[10:23] <psychonate> djp, I see. It's very easy to switch the contents to another container, but you don't really need to.
[10:23] <HappyFool> nalioth: sorry...
[10:23] <mbirkis> is there any way to use the ubuntu install cd to fix the grub?
[10:24] <QMario> Madmavric?
[10:24] <highvoltage> QMario: sudo apt-get install dhcp3-server ; man dhcpd.conf
[10:24] <marc__> fix grub?
[10:24] <marc__> whats wrong with grub?
[10:24] <nalioth> HappyFool: this will tell us the hardware status of the drive
[10:24] <djp> i just would like to know if anyone else has had issues with jerky playback of ogg theora files in totem?
[10:24] <ompaul> synthetic_, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-9887.html that talks about the mouse
[10:24] <nalioth> HappyFool: do you have smartmontools? you might be interested in what YOU find
[10:24] <psychonate> djp, do they play back nicely in any other players?
[10:24] <grogoreo> ooo, its pending! maybe its working!
[10:24] <pedingto> I think I've lost my mind, in mysql, to set a field as not null, you'd just do, for example.  "id int unsigned not null auto_increment primary key," right?
[10:24] <HappyFool> nalioth: nah, ignorance is bliss ;-)
[10:25] <Seveas> HappyFool, take the red pill :)
[10:25] <grogoreo> well does a whole load of numbers mean its working?
[10:25] <HappyFool> Seveas: three times daily
[10:25] <HappyFool> mbirkis: it should be doable
[10:26] <HappyFool> mbirkis: what happens when you boot ?
[10:26] <mbirkis> HappyFool: without cd?
[10:26] <HappyFool> mbirkis: yeah
[10:26] <mbirkis> 1sec
[10:26] <HappyFool> or, how have you broken it ? ;)
[10:26] <djp> psychonate: i'm really not sure as i have only totem installed. i want to stick with it. i gather it may be a gstreamer-plugins issue. the version in hoary is 0.8.8. the latest version is 0.8.10
[10:26] <mbirkis> HappyFool: i broke it when i was installing windows xp
[10:26] <HappyFool> mbirkis: ah-ha
[10:27] <ompaul> synthetic_, wrt the nic you would need to give more details on the hardware i.e. the make model
[10:27] <marc__> you didnt break it
[10:27] <HappyFool> mbirkis: there seems to be a wiki page related to this
[10:27] <marc__> windows xp did
[10:27] <HappyFool> mbirkis: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[10:27] <psychonate> djp, well, if it played fine in another play, you would probably know for sure whether or not totem was at fault.
[10:27] <grogoreo> HappyFool: should i expect the bad block check to go into its thousands? its only at 35 now
[10:27] <mbirkis> HappyFool: thnx will check it out...
[10:27] <marc__> anyone mind taking a look at an XKB error (i think relating to a xorg configuration error) after installing ATI drivers
[10:28] <HappyFool> grogoreo: didn't you run the smartmon thing first ?
[10:28] <grogoreo> HappyFool, yes but only the copyright thing came up
[10:28] <HappyFool> grogoreo: with 'sudo' ?
[10:28] <Teatimer> Does anyone know how I can TELL ubuntu to use my wireless network device? ndiswrapper says it is installed
[10:29] <HappyFool> grogoreo: hrm. actually, i can't get it to work here. stand by
[10:29] <grogoreo> HappyFool: sudo smartctl /dev/sda1
[10:29] <nalioth> grogoreo: you have to run the smartctl as root (useing 'sudo')
[10:29] <HappyFool> grogoreo: anyway, yeah, i guess badblocks will take a while
[10:29] <mbirkis> HappyFool: the wiki page tells me i need a live cd... i don't have a live cd :(
[10:29] <nalioth> grogoreo: smartctl will tell you if the HD is physically/mechanically correct
[10:29] <grogoreo> sorry i meant to write hde not sda
[10:29] <gr0bi> everytime i try to open a radiostream (shoutcast.com) xmms freezes! what can i do??
[10:29] <djp> psychonate: sure
[10:29] <AMDXP> hey guys what packages can I uninstall to save some HD space
[10:30] <marc__> What you use your system for AMD?
[10:30] <marc__> and what packages do you have installed?
[10:30] <grogoreo> nalioth: should there be any command line arguments to it as it just says the copyright then the web site and finishes
[10:30] <HappyFool> mbirkis: i think you can start the install cd, and then use Ctl-Alt-F2 to switch to a console
[10:30] <Teatimer> Anyone? Wireless? boobies?
[10:30] <Will__> Teatimer: The network manager did it for me
[10:30] <AMDXP> marc__: its a 233Mhz Micron Transport Lappy
[10:30] <AMDXP> I used it to surf the net
[10:30] <AMDXP> and listen to mp3s
[10:31] <marc__> it plays mp3s?
[10:31] <AMDXP> yes
[10:31] <marc__> cool
[10:31] <AMDXP> very well
[10:31] <AMDXP> lol
[10:31] <marc__> so you just wanna rip everything else out from a default installation?
[10:31] <Teatimer> Will__ my wifi device isn't in the list
[10:31] <AMDXP> basically yes i just want to save a lil HD space
[10:31] <HappyFool> grogoreo: well, let's try some diagnostics first. what does 'sudo smartctl -i /dev/hde' say ?
[10:32] <jtan325> so yeah, xine plays my music just fine, and i can hear the audio just fine too on movies, but it doesn't show an of the movie itself
[10:32] <jtan325> is there a way to figure out whether my video drive supports "xv"?
[10:32] <Will__> Teatimer: Does it show up if you do a sudo ifconfig ?
[10:32] <AMDXP> jtan325: you still having problems seeing movies
[10:32] <grogoreo> HappyFool, well it says info and the drive
[10:32] <jtan325> AMDXP, it works fine in mplayer
[10:32] <mbirkis> argh! is there a repair feature when running the install as normal?
[10:33] <AMDXP> jtan325: that is funny i can't get mplayer to work it crashes on me
[10:33] <jtan325> AMDXP, i am just curious how it can work in mplayer but not in xine
[10:33] <HappyFool> grogoreo: and then 'smartctl -s on /dev/hde' and *then* 'smartctl -a /dev/hde|less'
[10:33] <Teatimer> Will__ no :S
[10:33] <Will__> Teatimer: Then it could be a hardware support problem
[10:33] <HappyFool> grogoreo: on my machine i see a comforting line like this: 'SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED'
[10:33] <AMDXP> but xine will show music video mpegs
[10:33] <marc__> Anyone take a look at my Xkb error spam in a conversation window?
[10:33] <Teatimer> Will__ hmm ndiswrapper is now atleast saying the hardware is present
[10:33] <marc__> Help me solve the problem ?
[10:33] <marc__> :)
[10:34] <grogoreo> HappyFool: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/386
[10:34] <jtan325> hmmm yeah
[10:34] <AMDXP> Teatimer: that is the first step in getting it working
[10:34] <AMDXP> lol
[10:34] <jtan325> AMDXP, what do you use for the video driver in xine?
[10:34] <Will__> Teatimer: I've no experience with that.. *sorry*
[10:34] <jtan325> is it set to "auto"?
[10:34] <Teatimer> Will__ that's ok thanks for you help
[10:34] <Teatimer> AMDXP what is the next?
[10:35] <marc__> Anyone shed some light ont his? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/387  Happend after installing latest ATI drivers and running flgrxconfig
[10:35] <nalioth> comadreja: this is the proper place to sign up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserPreferences
[10:35] <marc__> Think flgrxconfig borked my xorg.conf file
[10:35] <grogoreo> HappyFools, is there anyway to output the smartctl -a /dev/hde|less to a file?
[10:35] <HappyFool> grogoreo: smartctl -a /dev/hde > outputfile.txt
[10:36] <nalioth> grogoreo: yes, smartctl /dev/hde>filename
[10:36] <HappyFool> grogoreo: use 'q' to quit less
[10:36] <nalioth> HappyFool: you looked! now you're blissfully AWARE
[10:36] <grogoreo> it has said SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
[10:36] <HappyFool> nalioth: heh :P
[10:36] <HappyFool> nalioth: not really. i don't do backups *eek*
[10:37] <nalioth> HappyFool: now you can let loose the 'badblocks' and 'fsck'! lol
[10:37] <HappyFool> grogoreo: yeah, i think you need to run badblocks now
[10:37] <HappyFool> grogoreo: oddly enough i have a Maxtor 6Y160P0 (you have a Maxtor 6Y160M0)
[10:37] <nalioth> HappyFool: grogoreo: since we know now, that the drive is physcially Okay
[10:37] <AMDXP> Teatimer: I dont know I am a n00b too
[10:38] <AMDXP> but that is what happened with me fixing my soundcard
[10:38] <AMDXP> first i had to get the lappy to see it
[10:38] <AMDXP> then i got it to work
[10:38] <HappyFool> grogoreo: maybe try 'badblocks -c 256 /dev/hde' or higher to increase the speed
[10:38] <marc__> Anyone any ideas on this?   http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[10:38] <grogoreo> HappyFool: btw here is the output of the file if it would help http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/388
[10:38] <Strife> marc__: what's the problem?
[10:39] <marc__> Happend after installing latest ATI drivers, think fglrxconfig changed something in xorg.conf it shouldnt have
[10:39] <Teatimer> AMDXP haha ok cheers :D
[10:39] <HappyFool> grogoreo: i really ought to be getting to sleep. i'm sure gentle nalioth here will guide you deeper into the mysteries of fdisk and mkfs
[10:39] <Strife> marc__: did you make a backup of your old xorg.conf?
[10:39] <Strife> because if not, shame on you
[10:39] <nalioth> marc__: what about that URL?
[10:39] <marc__> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/387
[10:39] <Strife> you should always backup config files before you overwrite them
[10:39] <marc__> I pasted wrong URL sorry
[10:39] <HappyFool> grogoreo: if it said 'PASSED', smartmon has probably told us all it can
[10:39] <grogoreo> HappyFool: ok thank you very much for your help
[10:39] <Teatimer> Can anyone please help me with my wifi problem? I have got it installed and recognised by ndiswrapper, what's next?
[10:40] <Strife> marc__: which fglrx drivers are you using? the ones directly from ATI, or the ones distributed by Ubuntu?
[10:40] <cyphase> http://blogsurvey.media.mit.edu/
[10:40] <marc__> The universal installer from ATI
[10:40] <marc__> for the latest drivers
[10:40] <Strife> yeah I never got that to work...
[10:40] <grogoreo> ok, I'm running the bad blocks now
[10:40] <Strife> marc__: did you follow the forum post detailing how to use those?
[10:41] <marc__> I followed the forum post telling me to delte the old kernel module etc
[10:41] <marc__> delte**
[10:41] <marc__> delete** even
[10:41] <comadreja> I'm trying to join the launchpad, but when I paste my gpg fingerprint it gives me an error
[10:41] <marc__> The drivers work fine, with DRI enabled etc.  However it throws up that error when Gnome loads
[10:42] <Strife> just for yucks then... can you load another window manager?
[10:42] <HappyFool> good night
[10:42] <marc__> Other than sawfish?
[10:43] <grogoreo> does anyone know, at the end of the bad block test what should i should expect to get at the end? if its bad how will i know?
[10:43] <Strife> marc__: no I mean try loading up, say, fluxbox instead of gnome
[10:43] <synthetic_> How do you edit XF86config-4?
[10:43] <nalioth> grogoreo: it should tell you
[10:43] <Strife> I wouldn't imagine that would help, but who knows
[10:44] <Will__> synthetic_: You want /etc/X11/xorg.config
[10:44] <grogoreo> nalioth: oh, ok thank you
[10:44] <marc__> It worked fine with KDE on Kubuntu desktop
[10:44] <Strife> marc__: also, I take it you used the fglrxconfig program? (or whatever it's called(
[10:44] <speel> synthetic_, sudo gedit /etx/X11/xorg.conf
[10:44] <marc__> I used fglrxconfig
[10:44] <synthetic_> okay, thank you
[10:44] <grogoreo> nalioth, thank you very much for your help! I'm going to leave this testing
[10:44] <Strife> marc__: so you don't have your old xorg.conf handy?
[10:44] <grogoreo> bye
[10:44] <marc__> It was after using fglrxconfig that it started throwing this error message
[10:44] <speel> synthetic_, sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ** made a mistake Lol
[10:44] <marc__> I dont unfortunately.  This was like the only time i forgot to make a backup of xorg.conf
[10:45] <marc__> I think its a problem with the keyboard driver its referencing
[10:45] <marc__> Currently its :     Driver	"kbd"  This is correct for Ubuntu?
[10:45] <Strife> marc__: I have "keyboard"
[10:45] <marc__> Think that could be it
[10:46] <synthetic_> now that i've edited it to recognize my mouse, do i unplug/replug my mouse or restart?
[10:46] <marc__> Ima backup my xorg, try keyboard and be right back
[10:46] <matt_> How do I get the logitech MX 1000 laser working in ubuntu
[10:47] <matt_> please someone help
[10:47] <speel> synthetic_, no hold ctrl+alt+back space
[10:47] <speel> that will restar x for you
[10:49] <synthetic_> k, i give up
[10:49] <synthetic_> i followed the instructions exactly on everything:
[10:49] <speel> =/
[10:49] <marc__> well thanks strife. all ok :)
[10:49] <synthetic_> no sound, no mouse, no wireless
[10:49] <concept10> matt_, is that a mouse?
[10:49] <synthetic_> i'm going back to windows
[10:49] <synthetic_> thanks for your help
[10:49] <speel> Lol
[10:49] <speel> try the forums or linuxquestions
[10:50] <LokeDK> how do I set a service to autostart?
[10:50] <unome> matt_: http://floam.sh.nu/?page=guides&section=mx1000
[10:50] <synthetic_> i'm been trying to figure out wireless for two days
[10:50] <nalioth> synthetic_: linux is not ready for primetime
[10:50] <synthetic_> i get the advice to upgrade to hoary
[10:50] <nalioth> synthetic_: linux is for tinkerers
[10:50] <synthetic_> and hoary doesn't fix anything;  it just takes away my mouse support
[10:50] <Strife> marc__: glad to hear it :)
[10:50] <speel> yep and its over hyped
[10:50] <marc__> me too thanks :)
[10:51] <marc__> Anyway to make gnomes window list transparent also?
[10:51] <flodine> omg someone say wireless
[10:51] <synthetic_> nalioth:  i understand that, but i can't very well tinker without a mouse, sound, or wireless
[10:51] <marc__> you can tinker with a keyboard :)
[10:51] <matt_> yes it is my mouse
[10:51] <synthetic_> i mean honestly, i got the drivers, i followed instructions, and it absolutely refuses to work
[10:51] <speel> synthetic_, well if you want you can type xorgconfig in a shell and try to reconfigure xorg all over again
[10:52] <Blue_Summer> Anyone: If i place an exe (which i run with cedega) on the desktop will it still work?
[10:52] <nalioth> Blue_Summer: it will run from anywhere
[10:52] <matt_> thanks very much
[10:52] <nalioth> synthetic_: have you tried to reconfigure your xorg?
[10:52] <marc__> I remember, tinkering with redhat 5.. back then it didnt recognise 90% of my hardware and drivers just werent available :)
[10:53] <marc__> Blue
[10:53] <Blue_Summer> nalioth,  ty m8
[10:53] <marc__> why would you want to place it on yourdesktop?
[10:53] <matt_> How do I get my windows to show up all in one window
[10:53] <Blue_Summer> marc__, easier to open ;)
[10:53] <marc__> Just make a shortcut
[10:53] <matt_> when ever I click on a folder another window opens
[10:53] <Blue_Summer> ooh how do i do that? :P
[10:53] <marc__> cedega WoW.exe for example
[10:54] <marc__> You using gnome?
[10:54] <Blue_Summer> i use the command cedega STEAM.exe to open steam but id prefer to wade through all the transgaming stuff such as cd TransGaming_Drive
[10:54] <arentie> after configuring my wireless card with ndiswrapper, my computer takes forever to start...does anyone know why?
[10:54] <Blue_Summer> marc__,  yep
[10:54] <matt_> Yes I am using gnome
[10:55] <marc__> right click on desktop >> create launcher
[10:55] <Blue_Summer> marc__,  ty
[10:55] <synthetic_> i tried reconfiguring my xorg, but i'm on a laptop where a ton of the stuff is built in and i have no idea
[10:55] <synthetic_> ex. video card
[10:55] <synthetic_> i don't know the specs on it
[10:55] <synthetic_> because it's integrated
[10:55] <speel> google it
[10:55] <marc__> Why not just use point2play tho blue?
[10:55] <speel> who makes your laptop
[10:55] <synthetic_> ibm
[10:55] <speel> what modle number etc?
[10:56] <speel> module*
[10:56] <marc__> Matt
[10:56] <arentie> my computer doesn't hibertnate after configing the wireless card
[10:56] <pitti> mako: here by chance?
[10:56] <marc__> you mean to stop it popping up a new window for each directory?
[10:56] <synthetic_> ibm thinkpad type 2645'
[10:57] <synthetic_> i haven't even started on sound and wireless is making me frustrated beyond all belief
[10:57] <speel> synthetic_, http://www.computingreview.com/cat/hardware/notebook-computers/ibm/PRD_294279_5638crx.aspx
[10:57] <zoor> I'm trying to install a software and my computer tells me "cant find the bz2 library". Alittle further down it says "Note: You might have the lib files but not the headers" how do I get a hold of it?
[10:57] <Blue_Summer> marc__,  i wish i could create a shortcut but tell it to run the command cedega STEAM.exe for it, is this possible?
[10:57] <eruin> I can safely say the elitegroup brand plays perfect with ubuntu
[10:58] <synthetic_> the problem with the mouse is that it'sonly detecting that stupid little nub thing in the middle
[10:58] <synthetic_> the usb mouse isn't getting recognized
[10:58] <marc__> If you create a launcher that says
[10:58] <nalioth> zoor: open synaptic and look for bzip2 developement libraries
[10:58] <speel> zoor, ubuntu comes with bzip
[10:58] <nalioth> speel: but not the libbz2 libs for dev stuff
[10:58] <synthetic_> but last version recognized it no problem!!!  how the heck do you release a new version of an OS that's LESS compatible?!
[10:58] <speel> zoor, open up a console and type bzip2 -d whateverfile
[10:59] <synthetic_> did ubuntu take lessons from microsoft or something?
[10:59] <marc__> cedega PATH/STEAM.exe it will work
[10:59] <speel> lol
[10:59] <marc__> is it a logitech 1000 syhntetic?
[10:59] <gr0bi> does someone have gdesklets - starterbar running??
[11:00] <jasmuz> gr0bi: yep
[11:00] <synthetic_> no, marc
[11:00] <synthetic_> it's a generic mini notebook mouse
[11:01] <zoor> nalioth, I have a couple of them. What I'm trying to do is to run the command "scons" but it says it dont find them. I have no idea how to fix this. I see I have a few of those files... but how do I know what files are missing?
[11:02] <remyforbes777> guys im getting an error cp:cannot stat 'arch/i386/crypto/aies-i586ko. when I do a make modules_install
[11:02] <truz24> has anyone installed the sun java jdk in ubuntu?
[11:03] <Poromies> yeps
[11:03] <synthetic_> does anyone know how to install XP from an XP cd in Linux?  I think I'd be better off having a dual boot
[11:03] <flodine> anyone test the breezy yet
[11:03] <Poromies> i have both java 1.5 on my chroot 32bit and blackdowns 1.4 on 64bit
[11:03] <speel> truz24, ive installed java jre
[11:04] <nalioth> zoor: did you find libbz2-dev or something like it (use synaptic to search for 'bz2')
[11:04] <speel> synthetic_, i think you would have to install xp first then linux
[11:04] <freddy> shouldnt apt-get install j2re work to install java?
[11:05] <speel> only if you added the extra repos
[11:05] <nalioths_dog> freddy: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[11:05] <synthetic_> speel: shoot...see, my copy of windows is slightly less than legal, so i can't boot it from my bios
[11:05] <speel> it would be sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[11:05] <eno> HI!
[11:05] <matt_> how do I setup a MX 1000 laser mouse
[11:05] <eno> I have another question for the folks here
[11:06] <speel> synthetic_, ah damn =/ i have the not so legal bootable windows
[11:06] <unome> matt_: for second time http://floam.sh.nu/guides/mx1000
[11:06] <synthetic_> is there any way to say, make a boot disk or something?
[11:06] <matt_> way to hard to follow
[11:06] <eno> my usb storage device used to mount autmagically and appear on the desktop when I booted, but now it doesn't.  I did reinstall since then of course.  It is not listed in fdisk -l
[11:06] <synthetic_> or perhaps even use WINE?
[11:07] <speel> synthetic_, http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm
[11:07] <scizho> wine run .exe, not windows
[11:07] <zoor> nalioth, I see it.. heres what it says "the following package have unresolveble dependencies. Make sure all repositories are added and a"
[11:07] <zoor> gah
[11:07] <matt_> I can't get the driver compiled
[11:07] <zoor> nalioth, I see it.. heres what it says "the following package have unresolveble dependencies. Make sure all repositories are added and enabled."
[11:07] <synthetic_> yeah, could i use wine to run the setup.exe from the xp disc?
[11:07] <zoor> there :)
[11:07] <nalioths_dog> zoor: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:07] <nalioths_dog> zoor: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:08] <scizho> eh..
[11:08] <scizho> windows has it own kernel
[11:08] <scizho> i cant see how wine can fit that
[11:09] <matt_> unome any other pages
[11:09] <guys> guys im getting an error cp:cannot stat 'arch/i386/crypto/aies-i586ko. when I do a make modules_install
[11:09] <unome> matt_  try this: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf browse to mouse section changes buttons to "10" and ZaxisMapping to "9 10" thensudo xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 8 9 10 4 5"
[11:10] <matt_> k
[11:10] <matt_> how do I show u what is in my xorg
[11:10] <gotonpo> ubuntu saved my life.
[11:11] <Boitek_Corp> lol
[11:11] <synthetic_> ubuntu is frustrating me to such ends that i may end my life
[11:11] <gotonpo> and my marriage.
[11:11] <gotonpo> hah
[11:11] <nalioth> synthetic_: don't do that
[11:11] <gotonpo> synthetic_: what's the problem?
[11:11] <nalioth> synthetic_: buy a mac
[11:11] <gotonpo> mmm mac.
[11:11] <gotonpo> i'm thinking about putting ubuntu on my powerbook
[11:11] <synthetic_> nalioth:  no money or else i would in a heartbeat!
[11:12] <scizho> synthetic_ : my life is doing fine without usb mouse
[11:12] <scizho> :p
[11:12] <raz> Anyone using XFCE here?
[11:12] <synthetic_> gotonpo:  where shall i start?  no mouse, no sound, no wireless
[11:12] <synthetic_> i've been working on wireless for two days to no avail
[11:12] <gotonpo> goodness.
[11:12] <nalioth> synthetic_: don't need much money http://www.apple.com/store/  see the red tag on the bottom right
[11:12] <cyphase> Blog Author Ratio -> 17247 (Male) / 29061 (Female)
[11:12] <synthetic_> upgraded from warty to hoary
[11:12] <matt_> unome I have Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true"
[11:12] <zoor> nalioths_dog, then what?
[11:12] <ukato> do i need to do anything special (port opening or anything) to run a VNC server on an ubuntu machine?
[11:12] <nalioth> ukato: not to my knowledge
[11:12] <synthetic_> which, for some reason decided that my mouse was too good for hoary and made it not work though it auto detected flawlessly in warty
[11:13] <ukato> meh, ok
[11:13] <synthetic_> sound i haven't even started on
[11:13] <nalioth> ukato: if i were you, i'd install/run a sshd also
[11:13] <eno> would somebody please tell me how to set up my usb storage device?
[11:13] <Deigo> hello
[11:13] <unome> matt_ option "Buttons" 10  |  Option "ZaxisMapping" "9 10"  | sudo xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 8 9 10 4 5"
[11:13] <ukato> mhm, i have openssh-server installed, and vncserver, but for some reason vnc server isn't working when i try to connect to it
[11:13] <arentie> ubuntu doesn't hibernate for me...could someone help?
[11:13] <matt_> k
[11:13] <QMario> Can Ubuntu recognize connections from a USB DSL modem?
[11:14] <Deigo> yea
[11:14] <nalioth> ukato: there are lots of tutorials via google for vnc over ssh
[11:14] <Boitek_Corp> Yep
[11:14] <nalioth> ukato: i do it all the time (at least 3 times a day)
[11:14] <Funk4544> Hi all
[11:14] <Funk4544> I'm having a problem with Ubuntu
[11:14] <ukato> oh ok
[11:14] <Funk4544> (Gnome, specifically)
[11:14] <QMario> It does not recognize my 2WIRE DSL modem.
[11:14] <synthetic_> and the problem with looking for help on irc is that i have to almost start at square one with every new person
[11:14] <Funk4544> My menu bar is, uh, gone
[11:14] <Funk4544> so is my taskbar
[11:14] <synthetic_> and it's making me a very sad panda
[11:14] <ukato> so you have to tell VNC to run through ssh?
[11:14] <Funk4544> that's after restarting
[11:14] <Funk4544> o_O
[11:15] <socomm> Funk4544: `gnome-panel'
[11:15] <nalioth> synthetic_: but you know what? you're gonna catch thre RIGHT person, adn get fixed up
[11:15] <scizho> synthetic_ : it's all about learning
[11:15] <scizho> :p
[11:15] <nalioth> ukato: nope
[11:15] <socomm> Funk4544: Run that command.
[11:15] <QMario> Can someone help me?
[11:15] <arentie> hibernating ubuntu does not work...can anyone help?
[11:15] <nalioth> ukato: you start a ssh tunnel and tell vnc to look at your end of it
[11:15] <matt_> can't change the xmod part
[11:15] <spamalope> reboot
[11:16] <ukato> hm
[11:16] <ukato> i see
[11:16] <marclaporte> Hi everyone! Hoping for a link / pointer in the right direction. (forum post, documentation, etc). I installed 5.04 on a Soltek Qbic (with everything integrated, including gForce dual video card).
[11:16] <synthetic_> I know it's all about learning, but when you spend two days typing random stuff into a terminal and getting no results, taking advice and having even MORE problems, you start to get a bit pissy
[11:16] <marclaporte> It installed nicely but when I try a first login, it starts but then Gnome crashes and offers to login again. I can't get to desktop...
[11:16] <marclaporte> I was able to use live CD but it was unstable also... (it would freeze after a minute or two)
[11:16] <nalioth> ukato: just google "vnc over ssh" and read up on it
[11:16] <nalioth> ukato: any questions, come back here
[11:16] <synthetic_> nalioth:  not much money?!?  give me $800 for an ibook if you think that!
[11:16] <ukato> okay, cool
[11:16] <ukato> thank you
[11:16] <nalioth> synthetic_: mac minis are very inexpensive
[11:17] <QMario> Ubuntu does not recognize my 2WIRE DSL modem.
[11:17] <QMario> It is plugged in too.
[11:17] <synthetic_> then give me $500 for one
[11:17] <matt_> unome I have a problem
[11:17] <synthetic_> :P
[11:17] <nalioths_dog> QMario: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[11:18] <synthetic_> when you're 17 and making minimum wage with insurance payments, $500 is about a year's worth of work
[11:18] <QMario> Where is the mailing list?
[11:18] <Amaranth> QMario: linux and usb modems usually don't get along
[11:18] <`crimsun> QMario, lists.ubuntu.com -> ubuntu-users
[11:18] <nalioth> QMario: wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:18] <QMario> Synthetic_, your 17?
[11:18] <Amaranth> QMario: If you can, hook it up with an ethernet cable
[11:18] <QMario> Thank you everyone. :)
[11:18] <matt_> what command checks opengl
[11:18] <synthetic_> yep
[11:18] <`crimsun> matt_, what aspect of OpenGL?
[11:19] <matt_> to see if my card is working
[11:19] <Amaranth> glxinfo
[11:19] <matt_> k
[11:19] <Amaranth> glxinfo | grep direct
[11:19] <MikeStyle> I installed xcdroast and whenever i try to start it, it asks me to run it as superuser and configure it there.
[11:19] <unome> matt_:  then glxgears to see if it's working
[11:19] <matt_> k
[11:19] <Amaranth> MikeStyle: xcdroast is junk
[11:19] <Amaranth> MikeStyle: Get gnomebaker or k3b
[11:20] <matt_> isn't there another one besides glxgears
[11:20] <MikeStyle> Amaranth: gnomebaker doesnt work on my computer
[11:20] <socomm> gnomebaker is good, my only gripe is that it has no option to normalize wav files.
[11:20] <`crimsun> matt_, glxgears doesn't tell you if OpenGL is "working"
[11:20] <socomm> Hohum.
[11:20] <synthetic_> does anyone want to help me with my wireless troubles?
[11:20] <Amaranth> MikeStyle: xcdroast probably won't either
[11:20] <Amaranth> MikeStyle: try k3b
[11:20] <mbirkis> can gnomebaker burn mp3s directly to audio cds?
[11:20] <matt_> unome my xmod part didn't work for my mouse
[11:20] <synthetic_> i think i'm close to done as far as my wireless troubles go
[11:20] <synthetic_> hopefully
[11:20] <Amaranth> mbirkis: yes
[11:21] <unome> matt_ try the guide dude
[11:21] <mbirkis> Amaranth: great!
[11:21] <socomm> mbirkis: Yes, just create a data project and not an audio project.
[11:21] <Funk4544> Hi guys
[11:21] <matt_> Who here can help me get my mx 1000 mouse working
[11:21] <Amaranth> socomm: no, he wants an audio project
[11:21] <Funk4544> Does anyone know why my taskbar & menu bar have disappeared in Gnome - Ubuntu?
[11:21] <Amaranth> Funk4544: gnome-panel died?
[11:21] <mbirkis> socomm: yeah! i wan't a audio project
[11:21] <socomm> Amaranth: The audio project converts your audio files to wav.
[11:21] <topyli> Funk4544: your gnome-panel has crashed
[11:21] <Amaranth> socomm: It burns an audio cd, yes.
[11:22] <Funk4544> topyli,  right after restart?
[11:22] <MikeStyle> Amaranth, im installing k3b through terminal and its taking a while...
[11:22] <topyli> Funk4544: or you have deleted both panels :)
[11:22] <Funk4544> it happens everytime, even after reboot
[11:22] <socomm> I'm guessing s/he wants to write the compressed files onto the disk without wav conversion.
[11:22] <matt_> is 7000 fps in glxgears good
[11:22] <Funk4544> Amaranth, died how? any solutions on how to correct it?
[11:22] <Amaranth> matt_: I'm stealing your card.
[11:22] <Amaranth> Funk4544: Sorry, no.
[11:22] <unome> yes it's good
[11:22] <matt_> why, is that good
[11:22] <topyli> Funk4544: open the system monitor, see if gnome-panel is running
[11:22] <unome> 35744 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7148.800 FPS
[11:22] <Amaranth> matt_: That's awesome, I only get 300fps
[11:22] <socomm> Funk4544: Have you tried to re run the gnome-panel?
[11:23] <MikeStyle> how do i check how many fps i get
[11:23] <Amaranth> i know people who get faster software speed than i get with my video card
[11:23] <matt_> not sure
[11:23] <Amaranth> MikeStyle: run glxgears from a terminal
[11:23] <matt_> 61103 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12220.600 FPS
[11:23] <matt_> 61961 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12392.200 FPS
[11:23] <matt_> 62075 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12415.000 FPS
[11:23] <matt_> 61715 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12343.000 FPS
[11:23] <MikeStyle> amaranth how? sudo apt-get install glxgears?
[11:23] <truz24> matt
[11:23] <truz24> maximize it
[11:23] <Jhair> hi, I am installing ubuntu warty in a chroot environment (on a Debian sid box), dpkg-reconfigure console-data shows the following:
[11:23] <matt_> yes
[11:23] <truz24> and then tell us what u get
[11:23] <Amaranth> matt_: Sure, if I minimize the windo I get about 8000.
[11:23] <Jhair> http://mandala.no-ip.info/~jto/ubuntu_warty_chroot_install_no_german_keyboard.jpg
[11:24] <truz24> make sure it is taking up full screen
[11:24] <unome> glxgears FPS means nothing
[11:24] <Funk4544> topyli, not yet. how do I open the sys monitor
[11:24] <Funk4544> socomm, not yet. how do I do that?
[11:24] <truz24> and there are no other windows on top of it
[11:24] <kengur> what's that funky download manager? called x-something
[11:24] <Jhair> why isn't there a german keymap?
[11:24] <Funk4544> I**I've got terminal open ready for commands
[11:24] <vini> please! how can I configure my serial mouse of my notebook? Ubuntu just found touchpad
[11:24] <matt_> k, what means the most then unome
[11:24] <topyli> Funk4544: right click on the desktop, choose open terminal. run gnome-system-monitor
[11:24] <matt_> what the best test
[11:24] <kengur> vini, rip out touchpad =)
[11:24] <socomm> Funk4544: Run `gnome-panel' from a terminal or the GNOME run dialog.
[11:24] <unome> matt_ test for what?
[11:24] <synthetic_> 378 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.600 FPS
[11:24] <synthetic_> 341 frames in 5.0 seconds = 68.200 FPS
[11:24] <synthetic_> 339 frames in 5.0 seconds = 67.800 FPS
[11:24] <synthetic_> 339 frames in 6.0 seconds = 56.500 FPS
[11:24] <synthetic_> 339 frames in 5.0 seconds = 67.800 FPS
[11:24] <vini> kengur, I hate touchpad :P
[11:24] <synthetic_> :(
[11:25] <truz24> strong
[11:25] <Funk4544> It gives all sorts of errors
[11:25] <Jhair> oh I know, I that's only the arch list, I can select a german keyboard from the full list, but still why german isn't included in "Select keymap from arch list"?
[11:25] <Funk4544> It says "Sleeping" for most programs
[11:25] <kengur> what's that funky download manager called? x-something
[11:25] <Funk4544> wtf
[11:25] <matt_> my video card
[11:25] <MikeStyle> how do i run gfxgears from terminal
[11:25] <topyli> Funk4544: which one? gnome-terminal?
[11:25] <matt_> need something to test it
[11:25] <topyli> Funk4544: gnome-panel? or the system monitor?
[11:25] <Funk4544> topyli, Gnome system monior
[11:25] <unome> glxgears is not a benchmark, just tells you (if any) that your driver is working
[11:25] <topyli> hrm
[11:25] <Funk4544> topyli, trying gnome panel now
[11:25] <Funk4544> ok
[11:25] <Funk4544> that worked
[11:25] <scizho> synthetic_ : even serial mouse wont work
[11:25] <Funk4544> gnome-panel works
[11:25] <kengur> nm, found
[11:26] <vini> kengur, in another Debian version I installed "joystick", run "sermouse" and then I can move with my serial mouse, but I dont know if works at Ubuntu
[11:26] <topyli> Funk4544: log out, save the session
[11:26] <matt_> are there any games to install to see how my video card runs them
[11:26] <topyli> Funk4544: then log in and you should have your panel
[11:26] <synthetic_> scizho, i know!  nothing works on hoary!!  it makes me so mad because it worked flawlessly on warty and that was LAST RELEASE
[11:26] <kengur> vini, give it a try
[11:26] <MikeStyle> how do i run gfxgears from my terminal
[11:26] <synthetic_> mikestyle, just type glxgears
[11:26] <kengur> MikeStyle, just type it
[11:27] <MikeStyle> synthetic_, glx or gfx
[11:27] <synthetic_> glx
[11:27] <scizho> synthetic_ : maybe that because warthy ignore the touchpad and go directly to usb mouse
[11:27] <synthetic_> scizho, that's gotta be it...but i have no idea how to do that in hoary
[11:27] <Funk4544> topyli, k thx
[11:27] <scizho> i dont have any laptop though..
[11:27] <scizho> :P
[11:27] <MikeStyle> wow im only at like 600
[11:27] <Funk4544> (gnome-system-monitor:9185): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to sort on invalid type GdkPixbuf
[11:27] <socomm> Haha.
[11:27] <Funk4544> that kind of message. I got plenty of it
[11:28] <socomm> Funk4544: That's just a warning, you can safely ignore those.
[11:29] <Funk4544> wow there's 5 firetrucks here
[11:29] <Funk4544> 3 ambulances
[11:29] <Funk4544> o_O
[11:29] <unome> Funk4544: you better turn off your box and run
[11:29] <Funk4544> lol
[11:29] <Funk4544> I think it's a medical emergency or something
[11:29] <Funk4544> they're bringing out a bunch of stretchers O_O
[11:30] <Funk4544> unome: I've got a laptop. I'd run with it in my hand
[11:30] <Funk4544> lol
[11:30] <unome> even better
[11:30] <Funk4544> hey guys
[11:30] <Funk4544> easy question
[11:30] <Funk4544> Is there any way to change to ROOT from terminal
[11:30] <socomm> Funk4544: Perhaps it wasn't such a good idea to ignore those GNOME warning. :)
[11:30] <Funk4544> I know there's a command
[11:30] <Funk4544> socomm, hehe
[11:30] <scizho> sudo?
[11:30] <socomm> cd /
[11:31] <Funk4544> not the dir
[11:31] <socomm> sudo -s
[11:31] <vladuz976> i run fedora right now. wanna try ubuntu, is it hard to install dual boot?
[11:31] <Funk4544> I need to run a command in root
[11:31] <Funk4544> (synaptic)
[11:31] <scizho> sudo? -s -H?
[11:31] <Funk4544> super user do?
[11:31] <socomm> sud synaptic
[11:31] <socomm> `sudo synaptic'
[11:31] <dennis_> did somebody say SOCOM?
[11:31] <Funk4544> excellent
[11:31] <Funk4544> that worked.
[11:31] <Funk4544> what is the -s & -H?
[11:32] <socomm> The -s switch will give you a shell with super user priveleges.
[11:32] <scizho> so you dont have to put password evrytime you do command
[11:32] <Seveas> socomm, better use -i
[11:32] <Seveas> NOT -s
[11:32] <vladuz976> hello anybody,
[11:32] <vladuz976> ?
[11:32] <Seveas> hi
[11:33] <eno> any help for the guy who can't get his usb storage drive to work?  it doesn't list in fdisk -l, but on the mp3 player it says usb connected.  I had it working before, but I reinstalled and now I have NO clue.
[11:33] <Seveas> vladuz976, it is easy to install dual boot
[11:33] <ukato> nalioth, so, do you use putty or something along those lines
[11:33] <socomm> Thanks for correcting me.
[11:33] <Funk4544> hey guys
[11:33] <vladuz976> Seveas: how? does it give you an option in the instaler
[11:33] <Funk4544> I typed sudo -i and it sent me to root
[11:33] <Funk4544> how do I go back?
[11:33] <socomm> `exit'
[11:33] <eno> I guess I should stop asking
[11:34] <socomm> Or `CTL+D'.
[11:34] <comadreja> I'd like to be a maintainer... would that be hard ?
[11:34] <Funk4544> no command to go back to regular user mode
[11:34] <Seveas> vladuz976, indeed
[11:34] <Seveas> comadreja, maintainer of what?
[11:34] <socomm> Funk4544: Those are the commands to get back to your previous shell.
[11:34] <comadreja> Seveas , drqueue
[11:34] <Funk4544> socomm, ooh like what?
[11:35] <Funk4544> One more question: is there a way to open a Terminal window WITHOUT using the mouse
[11:35] <Funk4544> like a keystroke or something
[11:35] <socomm> Type `exit' or use the ctl+d
[11:35] <Funk4544> socomm, other than that, I mean. :)
[11:35] <Seveas> comadreja, you should contact the MOTU if you want to maintain a package in Ubuntu
[11:35] <Seveas> #ubuntu-motu / wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[11:35] <socomm> Off the top of my head those are the only ones I know.
[11:36] <scizho> Funk4544 " ctrl -alt - f1 ?
[11:36] <comadreja> Seveas : how do I contact the MOTU ? is there anyone around ?
[11:36] <eno> thanks anyways, ttyl
[11:37] <comadreja> Seveas : oops, sorry
[11:40] <vladuz976> i have fedora right now, you think ubuntu is the better os?
[11:40] <vladuz976> distro
[11:41] <unome> vladuz976: give it a shot.
[11:41] <vladuz976> unome: i heard there is an issue with screen resolution after install
[11:42] <unome> not for me.
[11:42] <socomm> Ubuntu is the uberdistro.
[11:42] <dennis_> uberdistro of Debian
[11:43] <vladuz976> dennis_: that is what i heard
[11:43] <freddy> do you guys know of anyway of adding shadows to the windows?
[11:43] <socomm> xcomposite
[11:43] <Funk4544> back
[11:43] <unome> Ubuntu = Unlike Before, linUx Now is Totally Usable (ubuntu means humanity but what the heck)
[11:43] <Funk4544> lol
[11:43] <socomm> Look it up.
[11:43] <Funk4544> that wasn't very nice :(
[11:43] <Funk4544> I hit control alt + F1 and it killed my session :(
[11:43] <neighborlee> what is packge name for kernel headers ?
[11:43] <vladuz976> how can i make sure during installation that my videocard and monitor hardware were recognized, so i don't have to messs with the resoltion stuff later on
[11:43] <socomm> Funk4544: It did not kill your session, it just switched you to a virtual terminal.
[11:43] <Funk4544> is there any way open a terminal WINDOW using keyboard commands
[11:44] <Funk4544> socomm, eh? virtual terminal?
[11:44] <Funk4544> socomm, what's that?
[11:44] <socomm> Try hiting CTL+ALT+F1-7), and see what happens.
[11:44] <unome> vladuz976: get a Live CD, check if your hardware will work, play with it, if you like it then install, if not, then move on
[11:44] <socomm> The seventh terminal is where your X server resides.
[11:44] <Funk4544> noooo!!! what happens?
[11:45] <Funk4544> How do I get back to this sesison socomm
[11:45] <socomm> ALT+F7
[11:45] <vladuz976> unome: good idea. i wanna use ubuntu coz it has apt
[11:45] <Funk4544> brb
[11:45] <socomm> I believe that's what Ubuntu defaults to.
[11:45] <unome> vladuz976: once you go Ubuntu, you never go back, you are warned!
[11:45] <nalioth> unome: i think you're reaching with your acronym
[11:45] <Funk4544> Alt 7 worked
[11:45] <unome> nalioth :p
[11:46] <Funk4544> unome,  why is Ubuntu so good?
[11:46] <socomm> Yes you can switch between different Virtual Terminals (VT) with the ALT+F<NUMBER> keys.
[11:46] <neighborlee> nm found it
[11:46] <unome> Funk4544: you are using it, you tell me.
[11:46] <dennis_> lol
[11:47] <Funk4544> unome, I chose it based on a friend's recommendation
[11:47] <socomm> Funk4544: Because the developers have a contract with the devil.
[11:47] <unome> Funk4544: and .. you love it.
[11:47] <othernoob> how do i get vobsub subtitles displayed in vlc or kaffeine?
[11:47] <dennis_> I have to admin Ubuntu is friendlier than Gentoo
[11:47] <guys> guys im getting an error cp:cannot stat 'arch/i386/crypto/aies-i586ko. when I do a make modules_install
[11:47] <Funk4544> Do you guys like Gnome or KDE
[11:47] <dennis_> KDE
[11:47] <Funk4544> why
[11:48] <Funk4544> I just downloaded KDE (i'm running GNome right now)
[11:48] <Funk4544> How do I switch between which boots up on startup
[11:48] <dennis_> KDE has a fancy look
[11:48] <socomm> I prefer GNOME, but if I have a choice I'd rather go with fluxbox.
[11:48] <dennis_> and I use Baghira thenme
[11:48] <dennis_> theme*
[11:48] <unome> KDE is eye candy, Gnome is fast. (I use KDE)
[11:49] <socomm> Funk4544: You choose it at login under the session option.
[11:49] <gotonpo> i like gnome's minimal default look
[11:49] <gotonpo> although kde can get more minimal if you tweak it
[11:49] <AndyR> anyone help with a cs4232 soundcard not being detected?
[11:49] <|stefan|> anyone know how to make ubuntu not shut down when i'm pressing the powerbutton ?
[11:49] <dennis_> that's true, Gnome is faster
[11:49] <AndyR> i modprobed cs4232 and it loads without errors
[11:50] <dennis_> and simpler
[11:50] <unome> for a newb like myself, KDE is the way to go. Especially if you're coming from the Doze.
[11:50] <othernoob> why unome?
[11:50] <othernoob> what has that to do with it?
[11:50] <gotonpo> i'm coming from windows & osx, gnome seems easier to me
[11:50] <gotonpo> it's all personal
[11:51] <unome> othernoob: like I said KDE is eyecandy and is more than a window manager, it's an entire desktop and some more.
[11:51] <nalioth> othernoob: KDE is more windows-like, where gnome follows apple design lead
[11:51] <dennis_> well, you can make KDE look like OS X
[11:51] <dennis_> with Baghira
[11:51] <Quest-Master> That's sort of wrong
[11:51] <unome> You can make either the way you want.
[11:51] <Quest-Master> I have my Gnome to look JUST like the default KDE install
[11:51] <Quest-Master> Layout-wise
[11:52] <unome> there you go
[11:52] <gotonpo> wow
[11:52] <guys> is there anyone here that can answer my question
[11:52] <Quest-Master> Bar at the bottom, icon/launchers on the left, window list beside that, and then beside that the system tray
[11:52] <nalioth> guess i should said "by default"
[11:52] <freddy> socomm, is it cpu intensive?
[11:52] <nalioth> guys: have you asked a question?
[11:52] <guys> yeah
[11:52] <Jimbob> guys: What is your question?
[11:52] <guys> yeah
[11:52] <guys> guys im getting an error cp:cannot stat 'arch/i386/crypto/aies-i586ko. when I do a make modules_install
[11:53] <guys> what is causign that error
[11:53] <Funk4544> bbl
[11:53] <Jimbob> Does the file "arch/i386/crypto/aies-i586.ko" exist?
[11:53] <cody> Hi
[11:54] <socomm> freddy: Is what CPU intensive?
[11:54] <guys> doesnt seem to
[11:54] <cody> what version of X.org does 5.04 use?
[11:54] <jozzer> anyone know what could be the problem when mplayer just keeps hanging after defaulting to alsa and soundcard 0?? no errors  sound works fine it many other programs???
[11:54] <socomm> guys: `make modules && make modules_install'
[11:54] <scizho> socomm : drain memories
[11:54] <guys> ok socomm
[11:55] <socomm> guys: You need to build the modules before you install them.
[11:55] <socomm> scizho: I'm lost, dunno what you guys are talking about.
[11:55] <freddy> socomm, xcomposite
[11:56] <scizho> kde seems require more cpu resources compare to gnome
[11:56] <cody> what version of X.org does 5.04 use?
[11:56] <jasoncohen> cody, 6.8.2
[11:56] <unome> scizho: true, Gnome runs better on older pcs
[11:57] <nalioth> scizho: you are correct, kde is more cpu intensive
[11:57] <scizho> yes..
[11:57] <cody> thanks jason
[11:57] <scizho> pentium III
[11:57] <socomm> freddy: If you don't have hardware acceleration, yes.
[11:57] <topyli> it's the RAM guys
[11:57] <scizho> just like i use right now
[11:57] <jasoncohen> gnome runs better on newer pcs, heh
[11:57] <scizho> :P
[11:57] <jasoncohen> 2.10 is a big step up from 2.8 in my opinion. the addition of the administrative/preferences menus is great
[11:58] <scizho> not mentions when you run kde on thin client
[11:58] <jasoncohen> what's going to be in 2.12?
[11:58] <topyli> jasoncohen: almost no-one knows yet :)
[11:58] <socomm> Everything runs better on newer pcs ...
[11:59] <scizho> yes
[11:59] <scizho> including my diet
[11:59] <jasoncohen> i notice that on a 1.6 ghz laptop with 640 MB of pc2100 ram, it takes longer to load programs from RAM and programs stay longer in RAM in gnome than in KDE by a very noticeable amount
[11:59] <unome> Look, KDE and Gnome are like Intel and AMD, Republican and Democrat, McDonalds and BurgerKing ...etc lol
[11:59] <unome> oh Pepsi and Coke
[11:59] <matt_> PLease can someone help me get this mx 1000 mouse working
[11:59] <Will__> pepsi sucks
[11:59] <matt_> I can't get the driver working