[06:14] <karthik_r085> Hello, My name is Karthik. I would like to actively contribute to Kubuntu and KDE. What is the process I need to go to become one of the maintainers?
[08:46] <froud> African Greetings
[08:54] <froud> Riddell: any ideas on how we can plan documentation development?
[09:28] <froud> Riddell: when you have some time let's discuss how to plan documentation development
[12:10] <uniq> hi.
[01:30] <froud> uniq: hi
[01:34] <uniq> hi froud.
[01:34] <froud> :-) looking good
[01:35] <froud> all working well now and package name changed to fit requirements
[01:35] <froud> just wish I could get a breezy system installed
[01:35] <uniq> sounds great.
[01:35] <froud> each time I do a dist-upgrade I endup with no xserver and no kde
[01:35] <froud> :-)
[01:35] <uniq> oh.
[01:35] <uniq> i just got a office with a decent internet connection.
[01:35] <froud> I have tried it a few times
[01:36] <froud> :-( not having much fun
[01:36] <uniq> i'm at my parents place for the summer.. and they have dialup.
[01:36] <uniq> hmm.. i'll try with my breezy chroot.
[02:15] <uniq> everything installs nicely on my breezy.
[02:16] <uniq> did you try to apt-get install kubuntu-desktop after it's been removed? 
[02:26] <uniq> food. bbl.
[02:31] <froud> uniq: I was upgraidng from hoary to breezy
[02:31] <froud> edit sources.list adding breezy repos
[02:31] <froud> sudo apt-get update
[02:31] <froud> apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:32] <froud> after install no xserver or kde
[02:32] <froud> cant apt-get install kubuntu-desktop cries for lots of dependancies
[02:32] <froud> apt-get -f install
[02:33] <froud> and then no can boot box
[03:55] <pef> hello
[04:00] <uniq> hi.
[04:08] <Riddell> pef: dood, how's datakiosk coming along?
[04:09] <pef> Riddell: I come back from a 3 days travel, that's why I was silent during this time ;)
[04:10] <pef> I just have to write the correct build-depends using pbuilder, and it's ok
[04:24] <mart> (repeat of yesterday)
[04:24] <mart> erm, could anyone with tetex-doc installed see if this works, please? kdvi /usr/share/doc/texmf/tetex/TETEXDOC.dvi.gz
[04:24] <mart> in breezy
[04:29] <uniq> give me a few mins to update my breezy chroot and i'll test.
[04:31] <mart> cool, thanks
[04:33] <hunger> mart: I get an error uncompressing that file from kdvi.
[04:34] <mart> "KDVI had trouble interpreting..."?
[04:34] <mart> Details = "The DVI code set a character of an unknown font"
[04:34] <hunger> mart: Nope... I get that after uncompressing the file with gunzip though.
[04:35] <mart> ok, at least it's not just me
[04:35] <mart> xdvi opens it, I take it?
[04:36] <hunger> mart: Yeap.
[04:36] <hunger> mart: Both the compressed and the uncompressed version.
[04:38] <mart> ok, what's best? file a bug on bugs.kde.org? or ...?
[04:39] <uniq> hmm.. kdvi 3.4.1 from kubuntu.org reads it nicely. 
[04:39] <hunger> mart: Dunno... I'd go for launchpad if that wasen't so annoying to use:-)
[04:39] <mart> whah? isn't that what I'm using? hang on
[04:39] <mart> KDVI 1.3 (Using KDE 3.4.1)
[04:40] <hunger> uniq: I'm using kdvi 1.3 which comes with kde 3.4.1 and it does not work here.
[04:41] <uniq> works in hoary.. with the 3.4.1 debs.
[04:42] <mart> yeah, it worked in hoary for me
[04:42] <uniq> I can't test my breezy chroot yet, still downloading updates.
[04:42] <mart> (it was stuck on libwv dependency)
[04:43] <mart> Fetched 112MB in 52s (2123kB/s)
[04:43] <mart> all networks should be at least that fast :)
[04:45] <hunger> mart: That only encourages peaple to use bigger images and videos on there webpages...
[04:45] <mart> the question begs why I didn't just purge libwv and only upgrade the packages I needed :(
[04:45] <uniq> well.. i'll go home for dinner. bbl.
[04:45] <mart> I love hindsight
[04:45] <mart> uniq: ok, see you
[04:57] <mart-> woah! hard crash!
[05:00] <mart> hunger: uniq: well, I still see the error in the latest version
[05:02] <hunger> mart: I am on the latest version, too.
[05:03] <mart> hunger: when I upgraded, all the icons in my K menu got bigger too, you have this?
[05:05] <hunger> mart: Haven't noticed yet.
[05:10] <mart> seems to be an option that's not settable in the gui too
[05:10] <mart> grep MenuEntryHeight /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kickerrc
[05:10] <mart> MenuEntryHeight=22
[05:10] <Riddell> that's deliberate
[05:11] <mart> bah, I've just put it back to 16
[05:11] <Riddell> why?  don't you like 22?
[05:11] <mart> prefer 16
[05:11] <Riddell> but 22 is so much easier on the eye
[05:11] <mart> 22 involves too much head movement
[05:12] <mart> (did I just say that?)
[05:12] <mart> and mouse movement too, 22 is like using the default XP menu
[06:20] <pef> Riddell: the datakiosk package is here for review ;) http://dl.erodia.net/ubuntu/datakiosk/
[06:24] <Riddell> pef: needs a .orig. file
[06:24] <Riddell> pef: also version number should be 0.7-0ubuntu1
[07:01] <pef> Riddell: corrected
[07:10] <froud> Ok now I am pissed attempt six and I cannot get dist-upgrade to do the correct thing.....HELP!!!!!
[07:11] <froud> how hard can this be ... somebody please I am doubting my sanity here
[07:13] <froud> must I update to 3.4.1 before dist-upgrade will work?
[07:13] <mart> froud: what's wrong?
[07:13] <froud> OK, from CD I install Kubuntu Hoary
[07:14] <froud> I then change sources.list to breezy
[07:14] <froud> apt-get update
[07:14] <froud> apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:14] <froud> download, install, install
[07:14] <froud> no xserver or kde
[07:15] <froud> cant even apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:15] <mart> froud: best to check what apt-get's gonna do first :)
[07:15] <froud> carry on
[07:15] <mart> or use upgrade instead of dist-upgrade if you don't want any packages to go missing
[07:15] <froud> ok so upgrade instead of dist-upgrade
[07:16] <froud> that's it 
[07:16] <mart> well, you may need to use dist-upgrade every now and then
[07:16] <mart> but upgrade will never remove anything, so use it if you don't want to read the list of what will be removed
[07:16] <froud> I thought when you changed distro version you needed to do a dist upgrade?
[07:16] <mart> yeah
[07:17] <froud> Ok well here goes nothing
[07:17] <mart> but that was the first option - check what it's gonna do first :)
[07:17] <mart> so what's the error?
[07:17] <froud> all I have is a console
[07:17] <froud> :-)
[07:17] <mart> oh, hang on
[07:17] <froud> no xserver installed
[07:17] <mart> did it install xserver at all, or is it just not running?
[07:18] <froud> not installed
[07:18] <mart> eep, that's bad
[07:18] <froud> lemme do an upgrade and see what 'appens
[07:27] <mart> buh? amarok just played a whole album without crashing... unprecedented!
[07:28] <mart> froud: ?
[07:32] <froud> mart: upgrade running will see in about an hour or so :-)
[07:32] <froud> Riddell: you there, let's plan how we will get the Kubuntu docs done :-)
[07:36] <Riddell> froud: it's on my todo list after subscribing to REVU and answering summer of code dude
[07:36] <froud> :-)
[07:36] <froud> pressure!!!
[07:36] <Riddell> froud: what needs planned?
[07:36] <froud> well I have no way of knowing what is going to be done and what wont from the roadmap
[07:37] <froud> its all a muddle of maybe's
[07:37] <froud> e.g kynaptic or kapture
[07:37] <Riddell> I don't know about kynaptic or kapture either
[07:37] <froud> if I know what will be then I can outline and plan for that
[07:37] <froud> ok can we start with what we do know
[07:38] <froud> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap
[07:39] <froud> "Breezy we may delay the Kubuntu release to be able to use 3.5" how likely does this look
[07:39] <Riddell> froud: I think it's not likely, it'll release along with the rest of ubuntu
[07:39] <froud> at 3.5
[07:40] <Riddell> at whatever the latest KDE is
[07:40] <Riddell> KDE has no release plan
[07:40] <froud> yes I saw that
[07:40] <froud> so do you expect a 3.5
[07:40] <froud> low medium high probability
[07:41] <Riddell> absolutly no idea I'm afraid
[07:41] <Riddell> so medium I guess 
[07:41] <froud> kdeaccessiblity in main and installed as stock?
[07:41] <Riddell> release could happen or it could not, depend on how soon the KDE 4 branch is usable
[07:41] <Riddell> won't be installed as stock
[07:42] <froud> OK
[07:42] <Riddell> but it should be in supported, I wonder what the process is for that
[07:42] <froud> one less to do :-)
[07:42] <froud> kdevelop in main and installed as stock?
[07:42] <Riddell> same thing
[07:43] <froud> KOffice 1.4 I understand wont be
[07:43] <Riddell> seems openoffice has the upper hand in that debate
[07:43] <froud> awk shuchs
[07:43] <froud> Kiosktool
[07:44] <froud> KISDN
[07:44] <froud> QtParted
[07:44] <froud> KDE Bluetooth
[07:44] <froud> any idea
[07:44] <Riddell> kdebluetooth should be
[07:45] <Riddell> kiosktool is in universe, but won't be on CD
[07:45] <Riddell> other two I'm not sure about
[07:45] <froud> kdebluetooth will be stock install
[07:45] <froud> so will display in kde-systemsettings
[07:45] <froud> ?
[07:45] <Riddell> should be yes
[07:45] <froud> "There is likely to be more as well" are there more, b'sides kde-systemsettings
[07:46] <Riddell> more what?
[07:46] <froud> things like the above
[07:47] <Riddell> not off the top of my head
[07:47] <froud> "Kubuntu 5.04 made several improvements to the default KDE menu, tidying up the applications and menu structure and including a System menu for access to system places. We would like to further tidy the applications on the menu and improve the system menu to include the non application entries from the k-menu and remove duplicates between the two menus."
[07:47] <Riddell> juk will probably go in famvour of amarok with gstreamer
[07:47] <froud> any ideas of what will be done here
[07:47] <Riddell> froud: like it says :)
[07:48] <froud> k
[07:48] <froud> Zeroconf support
[07:48] <froud> "As part of a move to including the best KDE applications which are not part of KDE itself we will investigate packages such as metabar (a context sensitive sidebar for Konqueror), Kompos as a full screen task manager to manage windows and katapult to start applications and bookmarks as a complement for minicli (Alt-F2)."
[07:49] <froud> any idea on this
[07:49] <Riddell> froud: zeroconf seems like a no due to licences
[07:49] <Riddell> froud: metabar and katapult yes
[07:49] <Riddell> find them on MOTUNewPackages
[07:49] <froud> OK
[07:49] <froud> "We would like all user's home directories to come with predefined folders by default. These could include Documents, Music, Pictures and others. The folder names will need to be translated for the appropriate language settings if possible. Appropriate applications should be modified to use these folders at startup."
[07:49] <Riddell> not kompose
[07:50] <Riddell> froud: default folders were going to be done elsewhere, I'll ask about that
[07:50] <Riddell> hello Soneras 
[07:50] <froud> ok
[07:50] <Soneras> hello everybody
[07:51] <froud> Ubuntu has a net install option available which uses a small image and tftp to boot a computer completely over the network. We would like to have a similar option for Kubuntu and will work with the Ubuntu netinstall developers to make this available. We also want Full Automated Installation for Kubuntu.
[07:51] <froud> will it be :-)
[07:52] <Riddell> froud: kamion has promised to look in to netinstall, no response on the bugzilla entry so far
[07:52] <froud> k
[07:52] <froud> Update-notifier is an important part of Ubuntu which ensures users can keep their system updated with the latest security packages or development versions. A KDE version of update-notifier is needed and should be ready by the next release.
[07:52] <froud> Another innovative tool from Ubuntu is hwdb, the hardware database frontend. We would like to work with the hwdb developers to create a KDE/Qt frontend for this so it can be included in Kubuntu. 
[07:52] <froud> these two
[07:54] <Riddell> Update-notifier is stuck on what to do with the package manager
[07:54] <Riddell> hwdb ogra has promised to port to KDE
[07:54] <froud> k
[07:54] <froud> great I will chat with him as I did docs for gnome version
[07:54] <Riddell> motaboy!
[07:54] <froud> Future versions of Ubuntu will have a graphical installer, possibly based on installation direct from the live CD. Kubuntu will need a Qt version of this, which will likely require Qt bindings to debconf.
[07:55] <froud> will there be a Qt version
[07:55] <motaboy> Hi!
[07:55] <Riddell> froud: we're in trouble if there isn't :)
[07:55] <mart> heh :)
[07:55] <froud> k
[07:55] <Riddell> motaboy: froud was just wondering how kdebluetooth was coming along
[07:55] <Soneras> I see you're discussing the implementation of qt-alternatives to the ubuntu programs. I've a little question about such; did somebody already look into the possibility of a 'personal-' kind of firewall for one of the next releases? I think I've read Ubuntu looks into using firestarter (good one) some time - but i can't find a decent Qt alternative (besides guarddog, which is a more complex solution).
[07:56] <motaboy> Riddell: I think that kdebluetooth is ready for release, only that Fred and me doesn't have much time in these days.
[07:56] <froud> motaboy: installed it here and it works a treat, thanks
[07:57] <motaboy> froud: :D.
[07:57] <Riddell> Soneras: it's not something I've looked in to.  firewalls arn't high priority for kubuntu 
[07:57] <froud> Riddell: I have started adding kde-system settings to kubuntu quick guide
[07:57] <froud> Riddell: http://lnix.net/~froud/kquickguide/C/ch03s07.html
[07:58] <froud> I will now add kdebluetooth
[07:58] <Riddell> froud: nice
[07:58] <froud> Riddell: the quick guide is a good place to outline a tour of kubuntu desktop and nice to help define what needs more docs in the User Guide
[07:59] <mart> Soneras: I just tried guarddog yesterday, it's not a tool for a complete newbie, but maybe it would be worth talking to upstream as it's not far off?
[07:59] <froud> Riddell: r there any other changes, other than kdebluetooth, that will be in kde-system settings as a part of the stock install
[08:00] <mart> Soneras: (I mostly liked it, but I see your point)
[08:00] <Riddell> froud: I don't think so except I should look into why it doesn't pick up the theme manager
[08:01] <froud> OK I would not know, so if you find problems like tings missing or stuff that will be added it would be good if you could update me
[08:01] <Soneras> mart: I do like guarddog too, but I think the purpose is different from firestarter and the second is more what users might expect - I guess. Just something I've been wondering about today
[08:01] <froud> Soneras: good example is SuSE Firewall
[08:02] <froud> easy to use, no fuss, just works
[08:03] <mart> Soneras: http://www.simonzone.com/software/guarddog/guarddog2_protocol.png
[08:03] <Soneras> have to take a closer look, didn't really use the SuSE Firewall yet. somehow I like the firestarter aproach. but might not be such a big issue for kubuntu yet
[08:04] <mart> Soneras: I reckon that could be improved by making Zone, Logging and Advanced menu options, leaving user with just enable/disable protocol
[08:05] <mart> Soneras: most users have only one NIC anyway, so hiding "zone" not an issue, until you want to do something complex
[08:05] <froud> Riddell: I will document this log on lnix.net/~froud if it changes, please update me so I can plan it. This way I can direct contributors on what to do and what not
[08:05] <froud> Soneras: SuSE Firewall is very simple, just the basics
[08:05] <froud> block all
[08:06] <Soneras> mart: I've guarddog in the background but didn't configure it yet. does it have some kind of an 'agent' that tells the user whats going on / allowing him to accept/block requests on-the-go?
[08:06] <froud> open all
[08:06] <froud> if you want to do more you need to stop it and use SuSE Firewall 2
[08:07] <mart> Soneras: ah, clever feature.  no, it doesn't have that.
[08:07] <mart> Soneras: I think I properly see your point this time :)
[08:07] <Soneras> mart: don't know if you've seen firestarter lately (no I don't want to make an ad here), but this is very close to what I'd consider perfect for kubuntu
[08:08] <Soneras> mart: only it's gtk :(
[08:08] <froud> Riddell: does kandy work now
[08:08] <froud> or does it just support Nokia
[08:08] <froud> still
[08:09] <froud> anyone got opinions on what Kubuntu User guide should be
[08:10] <froud> I dont think we want another KDE User manual, the upstream one is good
[08:10] <froud> Of course there are those things kubuntu desktop specific
[08:11] <Soneras> froud: btw. I wanted to ask some time, if there already is some kind of internationalization of your documentation going on? Maybe it's something I could help out with.
[08:11] <froud> Soneras: we upload to Rosetta use kdesdk xmlpo to make pots
[08:12] <Soneras> froud: I think it should mostly focus on the thinks specific to Kubuntu - like configuration utilities not available in vanilla KDE and such. And then take the other parts from upstream.
[08:12] <froud> k, go one
[08:12] <froud> go on
[08:13] <Soneras> froud: ok, I'd have to sit down and read up on those things first, but maybe I can do some translation / language-specific screenshots (german that would be)
[08:13] <froud> great, we freeze with ubuntu release schedule
[08:13] <froud> and then upload to rosetta
[08:13] <froud> po files come back to us
[08:13] <Riddell> language-specific screenshots are tricky, there was talk of a tool that could take screenshots in all the different languages, don't know if that every happened
[08:14] <froud> and we make lang packs of the docs
[08:15] <Soneras> so, is there already somebody working on it? specifically a german translation .I would like to help out, but honestly at this point I doubt I could manage a translation o nmy own.
[08:15] <froud> Soneras: once it gets into rosetta anyone can work on it
[08:15] <\sh> whois frode@lnix.net?
[08:16] <froud> we dont yet have any k docs in rosetta
[08:16] <froud> whois frode@lnix.net? = uniq 
[08:16] <\sh> ah ;)
[08:16] <pef> someone can check my package ? http://dl.erodia.net/ubuntu/datakiosk/ I have to go but I will read your messages when I come back in a few hours, thank you :) 
[08:16] <Soneras> ah, wait a sec. rosetta was the canonical translation utility, was it?
[08:16] <froud> yes see launchpad
[08:18] <Soneras> ah, very nice. Is there a schedule for having docs in rosetta yet?
[08:18] <froud> depends on how we get them done
[08:18] <froud> if we have something worth uploading
[08:19] <froud> but generaly we freeze with the schedule, tag and upload
[08:19] <froud> then rosetta picks it up
[08:19] <froud> that's for ubuntu, I dunno if it will work the same for kubuntu
[08:19] <froud> I can speak to carlos
[08:19] <\sh> uniq: ping?
[08:20] <Soneras> ok. as long as there's nobody already doing stuff I can work on it a bit localy and then enter it when the docs are in rosetta. is there some kind of priority the docs should be done?
[08:31] <froud> Soneras: you are welcome to do so in our svn
[08:31] <froud> Soneras: best thing is to translate sections as the are completed
[08:32] <froud> If you are subscribed to kubuntu-devel or ubuntu-docs you will see my messages
[08:32] <Soneras> right now I'm having a look here http://www.lnix.net/~froud/. These are only previews, right? so they don't reflect the current state I suppose
[08:32] <froud> They are quite up to date
[08:32] <froud> we are starting from scratch
[08:32] <Soneras> I'm subscribed to kubuntu-devel. Is it a good idea to subscribe ubuntu-docs, too for this?
[08:32] <froud> firsttime we are doing kubuntu docs
[08:33] <froud> myself and two three other people at Kubuntu docs have given interest in Kubuntu-docs
[08:34] <froud> I cant say what they will contribute or how much, but I will be focused on completing the Kubuntu User Guide
[08:34] <froud> anyone is welcome, you dont need to write perfect English, we will edit it
[08:36] <froud> Soneras: you can checkout the main stuff needed for Kubuntu docs at https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/kde
[08:36] <Soneras> mmh. as I'm not a native speaker and don't have a feel for what should be in and what shouldn't just yet I figured it might be a better idea for me to 'just translate' a bit. though I have to tell you that I'm far from beeing a professional writer in german as well - though technical (although not too technical) documentation shoudl be quite ok.
[08:37] <froud> Soneras: well you take what you want to do... no pressure
[08:39] <froud> Soneras: they docs must be for newbie users
[08:40] <froud> so ideas for the books are welcome
[08:41] <Soneras> yes, that was what I meant. I've no problem with the technical aspects (I work as an admin), so I have to concentrate on writing towards a newbie audience. But that's just like writing a knowledgebase entry for first level support... =)
[08:42] <froud> lol, yes and you can't really assume any technical know how
[08:43] <Soneras> yes, just like first level support :D
[08:48] <uniq> \sh: pong?
[08:48] <\sh> uniq: i just have problems building your kioslave
[08:49] <\sh> can u check on REVU?
[08:49] <uniq> \sh: oh, which of them? 
[08:49] <uniq> ok.
[08:55] <uniq> \sh:  did you install the build depends? (scons)
[08:56] <\sh> uniq: debuild -S -k 
[08:56] <\sh> i didn't even start the pbuilder
[08:57] <uniq> then you're missing scons. and that's why it doesn't build.
[08:57] <\sh> is scons needed for building the dsc?
[08:57] <uniq> it's needed for clean.
[08:58] <\sh> uniq: do u need it badly? what is scons btw
[08:59] <uniq> scons is a make replacement.
[08:59] <\sh> argl ;)
[08:59] <uniq> scons clean ~ make clean
[09:00] <\sh> ok
[09:02] <uniq> bbl, food again.
[09:03] <\sh> damn..right now I can't concentrate...
[09:20] <Riddell> tvo!
[09:21] <tvo> Riddell: yeah?
[09:22] <Riddell> tvo: what are you currently working on?
[09:23] <tvo> Riddell: I just fixed one of the bugs in the locate: protocol in konqueror
[09:23] <Riddell> tvo: does the locate author have CVS or the like?
[09:23] <tvo> Riddell: have to check, I'm going to send a mail asap
[09:24] <tvo> Riddell: didn't see any $Id$'s or other traces of CVS though
[09:26] <tvo> Riddell: I was still wondering though, what's the best behaviour of locate protocol?
[09:26] <tvo> Riddell: there are 3 options IMHO:
[09:27] <tvo> Riddell: 1) it behaves like it did originally, ie. if a dir contains more than a certain number of hits, than it's displayed as "(%d Hits) %s", %s being the full path
[09:29] <Riddell> that does seem quite nice
[09:30] <tvo> Riddell: 2) the current behaviour of my local copy, ie. each hit is shown. It is shown as a file if the pattern matches the filename part, shown as a directory if the pattern matches the directory part
[09:30] <tvo> heh, it's quite difficult to explain
[09:31] <Riddell> what happens in 1 if a directory matches?
[09:31] <tvo> Riddell: 3) Like 2), but each directory hit is added twice, once like 2) and once as "Search for <pattern> in <directory>"
[09:32] <tvo> nothing special, it gets counted as a hit in it's parent directory
[09:32] <tvo> and if this parent directory contains too many hits (configurable) the parent dircetory is displayed
[09:34] <Riddell> if you locate foo and you have a directory with lots of items called foo then it returns results for all those items just because they're in a directory called foo
[09:35] <Riddell> does that happen with any of the options above?  (seems to me it should just return the directory)
[09:35] <tvo> that happens only with 1
[09:36] <tvo> with 1, if there's a dir foo with N-1 files in it (with N is the max-hits-per-dir-threshold), it shows the list of files
[09:37] <Riddell> that seems silly
[09:37] <tvo> if there would be one more file in foo it would have been collapsed into a "(%d Hits) %s" like directory
[09:37] <tvo> yeah, that's my opinion too
[09:37] <tvo> currently I have 2 and could go for 3
[09:38] <Riddell> 3 sounds fun but might end up with usability issues
[09:39] <Riddell> tvo: do you know Sander Koning askie?
[09:39] <tvo> no
[09:39] <Riddell> I believe he's at your uni
[09:39] <Soneras> froud: still around? I've a small question regarding the docbook format of the docs
[09:40] <tvo> actually, I know quite a lot of Sander's, don't know the surnames though:)
[09:40] <tvo> so maybe I should check
[09:44] <tvo> Riddell: I'm going to fix local-to-a-directory searches now: this would allow 3 (I could make it configurable..)
[09:46] <Riddell> tvo: sounds good
[09:47] <Riddell> tvo: do you know baz?
[09:47] <tvo> Riddell: no, what's it?
[09:48] <Riddell> tvo: bazaar, the version of arch made by canonical
[09:48] <Riddell> (I don't know it either) but if you did it would work as a short term revision control system
[09:49] <tvo> Riddell: of the versioning systems, I've only used CVS.
[09:49] <tvo> Riddell: you mean with a local repository?
[09:49] <Riddell> yeah, but it probably isn't worth it
[09:50] <Riddell> I guess ask the locate author if he has a repository and if not apply for a KDE account
[09:50] <froud> Soneras: yep I am here
[09:52] <froud> Riddell: think you should find solution to svn :-)
[09:57] <froud> Soneras: ping
[09:59] <Soneras> froud: sorry. back
[09:59] <froud> question on docbook
[09:59] <froud> shoot
[09:59] <Soneras> froud: I'm wondering about the docbook format. with which app will they be viewed`khelpcenter?
[09:59] <Soneras> passing the docbook to the khelpcentercommand came up with an unformated view
[10:00] <froud> no you need to transform it
[10:00] <Soneras> and while editing, do you simply use a text editor?
[10:00] <froud> kate will do it
[10:00] <Soneras> so there will be now yelp like docbook viewing in breezy for kde?
[10:01] <Soneras> now = no
[10:01] <froud> Soneras: no kde ships html
[10:01] <froud> if you want you can transform the xml on your machine
[10:02] <froud> you need the following; docbook, docbook-xsl, xsltproc
[10:02] <froud> then you should just do a checkout of the directories needed
[10:02] <Soneras> ok, did both
[10:03] <froud> both what
[10:03] <Soneras> installed the tools you said and did a checkout (did that before)
[10:03] <Soneras> how would I transform into html?
[10:03] <froud> oK  but you only did checkout of the core parts
[10:03] <froud> you need
[10:03] <froud> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/common
[10:04] <froud> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/libs
[10:04] <froud> and https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/kde
[10:04] <Soneras> ah, I see. only got kde
[10:05] <froud> ok then look at the Makefile in kde/
[10:05] <froud> btw common/ libs/ kde/ must all be in the same dir
[10:06] <froud> to build all the docs that will go into kubuntu-docs-0.1ubuntu1-all just do make kall
[10:06] <froud> Oh do make a folder build/kde relative to those dirs
[10:07] <Soneras> ls
[10:07] <Soneras> oh, wrong window =)
[10:07] <froud> the make will build the html there
[10:08] <Soneras> should build/kde in the same folder as kde/libs/common, or one folder above?
[10:08] <froud> those three folder should be relative to each other
[10:08] <froud> common/
[10:08] <froud> kde/
[10:08] <froud> libs/
[10:08] <froud> then
[10:08] <froud> mkdir build
[10:09] <froud> mkdir build/kde
[10:09] <froud> then cd kde
[10:09] <froud> make kall
[10:09] <Soneras> ah ok, got it wrong at first
[10:10] <froud> let me  know if it works for you
[10:22] <Soneras> froud: ok, it worked. got some nice html in build/kde. I had to checkout generic as well though.
[10:23] <froud> Oooh yes, sorry
[10:23] <froud> OK that is how you build it to view it
[10:23] <froud> to edit it you can use any text editor
[10:23] <froud> kate works
[10:24] <froud> you will also need to validate your xml for well-formed and valid
[10:24] <froud> checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/validate.sh
[10:24] <froud> to the root of those folders
[10:25] <froud> now you can just do ./validate.sh path/to/foo.xml
[10:25] <froud> and it will check that your docbook is valid against the dtd and well-formed
[10:26] <Soneras> ok, I'm reading the docs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamStepByStepRepository as well, so I hope I'll be fine. bause I got to go for today.
[10:26] <Soneras> thanks for the quick help getting me started
[10:26] <froud> sure no problems
[10:26] <Soneras> I'll be sure to come back with more questions tomorrow ;)
[10:26] <froud> he he no worries
[10:26] <Soneras> bye!
[10:33] <froud> night all
[10:47] <Riddell> tvo: if you want to use arch/baz I'm told you can set up a local repository, get an account on launchpad then publish to the supermirror
[10:48] <Riddell> tvo: it's been suggested that if you want to do something uber-cool you could alter locate to update on inotify events rather than on a daily crunch
[10:50] <tvo> Riddell: ok, in that case, I'll wait for the reply of Armin Straub (the kio_locate author), and if he doesn't use a versioning system, I'll teach myself arch/baz
[10:51] <tvo> Riddell: I'll add it to my todo list and read a bit about inotify
[10:51] <tvo> Riddell: btw, are there any guidelines for a WIP project wiki page?
[10:53] <Riddell> tvo: WIP project?
[10:53] <tvo> work in progress
[10:54] <Riddell> not that I know of
[10:55] <Riddell> but include lots of details
[11:03] <pef> Riddell: thanks for uploading the package, but for the missing .desktop file, what should I do ? 
[11:04] <Riddell> pef: did I upload it?
[11:05] <Riddell> oh cool, it made it to revu
[11:06] <Riddell> what's he on about, it has a .desktop file
[11:07] <pef> Riddell:  but why " Needs .desktop entry" in the comment ?
[11:30] <Riddell> pef: no idea, the .desktop works for me.  possibly it doesn't work on gnome for some reason or possibly he's just nuts
[11:44] <tvo> Riddell: I've created an intial version of a wiki page, in case you're interested: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFileSearch
[11:46] <tvo> needs lots of changes though
[11:48] <tvo> s/intial/initial
[11:58] <Mez> ah .... Riddell ... this is better channell...
[11:58] <Mez> I'm about to package new bugfix for k3b - want it or not
[12:00] <Riddell> Mez: yes please
[12:01] <Mez> building now :D
[12:01] <Riddell> Mez: could you add a mimetype file for .iso files so they get opened in k3b?
[12:01] <Riddell> Mez: and do we want the Burn to Disk action in Konqueror's right click menu?
[12:02] <Mez> Riddell, yes (if I can figure out how) and no (becuase burn to disk = work withcdrdao IIRC)