closurehi stisev 12:06
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stisevI just switched to KDE12:07
stisevfrom Gnome12:07
stisevI like it much better12:07
stisevIt's much different than before o_O12:07
closurestisev, we think so too >8-)12:08
SaithrHey, got a installation question here, downloaded kubuntu for the first time and burned the disk, restarted the computer and got the kubuntu installation to the first step, asked to press enter for default installation, then it all goes grey and nothing happens..... anything I am doing wrong? Installing on a laptop, aopen, fast enough, first time user of linux so trying not to get scared off here :)12:09
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ChurcH_of_FoamYum did you check the image to make shure it was ok before burning?12:16
ChurcH_of_FoamYif theres any glitches in the downloaded .iso it will screw up12:16
ChurcH_of_FoamYand if that doesen't work than reset your systems bios to default or safe12:17
closureSaithr, i didn't install kubuntu from the kubuntu disc i installed from ubuntu12:17
Saithrthe image was ok, hmm, I can try with the default bios12:17
closureSaithr, but i'm imagining the install is identical12:17
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea he did it right12:17
ChurcH_of_FoamYyu gotta have ubuntu to use kubuntu effectivly i think12:18
ChurcH_of_FoamYi would never ever give up my gedit12:18
closureChurcH_of_FoamY, well kubuntu is just ubuntu -gnome +kde12:18
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea i know12:18
closureso i don't see why the install would be any different12:18
ChurcH_of_FoamYbut i swear on my left toe theres a diffrence between the 212:18
ChurcH_of_FoamYno one beleves me though12:18
closureChurcH_of_FoamY, it does seem that way12:19
closureSaithr, i would suggest installing Ubuntu12:19
Saithrcan you install with kde from the ubuntu disk?12:19
ChurcH_of_FoamYif you install just kubuntu they have this bitch of a prog called kate12:19
nikkiachurch, which works for everyone except you :P12:19
ChurcH_of_FoamYand i can't figure it out for the life of me12:19
closureSaithr, yes after you install Ubuntu get a command line and do "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"12:19
ChurcH_of_FoamYwell  i went the ubuntu way then got kubuntu desktop later12:19
ChurcH_of_FoamYthats the only way a noob like me can use it12:20
closureChurcH_of_FoamY, i'm going to have to agree with nikkia  on this one Kate is Great12:20
ChurcH_of_FoamYis to have the "easyer" gnome stuff handy12:20
nikkiaclosure, i never said that12:20
ChurcH_of_FoamYi can't figure it out it was confusing to me12:20
ChurcH_of_FoamYi mean gedit is a breeze to use12:20
nikkiai said it works, i'd take emacs over any of the 'GUI editors' evey time12:20
closureSaithr, You will also be able to run Gnome apps in KDE if you install from ubuntu12:20
closurenikkia,  you are just a nay sayer to everything i say12:21
nikkiaclosure, no i'm not :P12:21
ChurcH_of_FoamYthats what makes kde so great otherwize i don't think i'd use it12:21
Saithrso why do people install the kubuntu then? if you can get the best from two worlds+12:21
nikkiaSaithr: you can do the opposite with kubuntu12:21
ChurcH_of_FoamYi don't know personal prefrence i think12:21
nikkiayou can 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'12:21
closureSaithr, just whatever you prefer really12:21
ChurcH_of_FoamYor apt get kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu12:22
Saithrhehe, cool, have no clue what I prefer now, just want to test it out12:22
Saithrabout time I did12:22
closureSaithr, i removed gnome and just kept the gnomelibs12:22
stisevhey guys12:22
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea you'll have fun12:22
stisevWhich question12:22
closureSaithr, well test out gnome and then try KDE12:22
closureyou won't know how thankful you will be when you try KDE >8-)12:22
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea kde rocks! 12:23
Saithrhehe, I'll keep that in mind12:23
closureit's like going from a chevy to a cadillac12:23
ChurcH_of_FoamYi like my amor pet12:23
nikkiaclosure, if you really want to be thankful, a minimal X+twm is the best place to start :P12:23
closureall kinds of buttons and switches12:23
ChurcH_of_FoamYit's cute12:23
ChurcH_of_FoamYi have this little kitten that runs around my screen ^_^12:23
closurenikkia, yeah but that's like a skate board to a cadillac you need to know how to drive before you get behind the wheel12:23
nikkiaChurcH_of_FoamY: 1994 called, it wants 'neko' back12:23
ChurcH_of_FoamYneko rocks man12:23
ChurcH_of_FoamYor is there something better?12:24
stisevHow do I change from 24 hour time to 12 hour time in KDE12:24
nikkiaChurcH_of_FoamY: umm, awor ?12:24
ChurcH_of_FoamYis that a real app?12:25
nikkiaamor, rather12:25
nikkiahmmm, could have sworn it was 'awor'12:25
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea i have amor12:25
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ChurcH_of_FoamYwell if theres something better i wanna know12:25
nikkiasure it used to be called 'a waste of resources'12:25
nikkiarather than 'misuse of resources'12:25
ChurcH_of_FoamYi find that with linux things just keep getting better12:25
ChurcH_of_FoamYhey i run alsorts of crap12:26
nikkiaChurcH_of_FoamY: i grew out of annoyingly distracting stuff on my desktop about 10 years ago :)12:26
ChurcH_of_FoamYi use linux it's fun and i'm having fun12:26
nikkiaunsurprisingly, with neko12:26
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ChurcH_of_FoamYi don't reallize it's even running half the time12:26
closureyou know GAIM has some damn pretty icons i must say12:26
ChurcH_of_FoamYi got used to it12:26
nikkiaChurcH_of_FoamY: when you say you're using 'neko' are you using amor to get neko ?12:26
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ChurcH_of_FoamYi also have the mouse odometer running as well12:26
nikkiaamor's neko isn't quite like the original, one true neko12:26
ChurcH_of_FoamYyes amor12:27
nikkiaxsnow was another good pointless waste of CPU time12:27
ChurcH_of_FoamYi have never seen the original is it better12:27
nikkiaChurcH_of_FoamY: it does some things that amor's neko doesn't seem to12:27
closureChurcH_of_FoamY, the mouse odometer?12:27
ChurcH_of_FoamYit's so cool12:27
closureChurcH_of_FoamY, now that sounds exciting12:27
closurewhere do you find such a classy app?12:27
nikkiathe whole point of neko was that it would chase your mouse pointer, and if you moved it to certain spots on the screen, it would do various things, like scratch itself, try to dig into the edge of the screen, etc12:27
nikkiaamor's neko just seems to run around randomly12:28
ChurcH_of_FoamYum go to synaptic or kynaptic and type toys12:28
ChurcH_of_FoamYyou'll see it there12:28
ChurcH_of_FoamYi even have a tea timer12:28
closurenikkia,  like that ePets?12:28
ChurcH_of_FoamYand a pizza timer12:28
closurenikkia, or whatever it was called12:28
nikkiaChurcH_of_FoamY: xsnow was an app around the same time as neko, that would drop snowflakes from the top of the screen, they'd then fall down the screen and settle on the tops of windows in little piles of snow12:28
ChurcH_of_FoamYoh is that cute12:29
nikkiathen there was xroaches, same era, little cockroachs that hid behind windows12:29
closureChurcH_of_FoamY, yeah they had dogs and cats that would run around your desktop and eat and shit everywhere12:29
ChurcH_of_FoamYlol i want lol12:29
nikkiawhen you minimised a window, all the roaches would scurry around the screen until they found a new window to hide behind12:29
closureOH THAT ROCKS12:29
closurewhere do you get xroaches?!?!12:29
ChurcH_of_FoamYI WANT THAT!!!!!!!!12:29
closurethere so better be a pkg for that12:29
nikkiaclosure, *shrug* i haven't compiled it/used it since 199312:29
ChurcH_of_FoamYwhere can i get those apps i want them!!!!!12:30
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closurekick ass i'll bet there will be thousands of them if run it on this beast of a 450mhz laptop12:30
nikkiaclosure, i used to run it on a 16MHz 68k....12:30
ChurcH_of_FoamYwhere can i find those awsome programs?12:30
ChurcH_of_FoamYare they even for linux12:31
closuredamn no pkg12:31
nikkiaclosure, they were generic X programs12:31
nikkiathey ran on linux for sure12:31
closureChurcH_of_FoamY, i'm assuming as he's saying compile and x12:31
ChurcH_of_FoamYnice can you give links?12:31
nikkiaas i ran them on my 386-40 when i first got X compiled on linux (around late 1992)12:31
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea i think so12:31
ChurcH_of_FoamYwow nice12:31
nikkiaChurcH_of_FoamY: no idea, they used to be on ftp.x.org12:31
nikkiathey were never 'easy to compile' tho12:32
nikkiaxsnow is still on there12:32
nikkiano sign of xroaches tho12:32
ChurcH_of_FoamYi'm getting that12:32
nikkiahold on, they may be in a ubuntu pkg already12:33
closurei don't see an ubuntu pk12:33
closurei searched for xroach/es12:33
nikkianope, thought they might be hiding in 'xamusements' or something12:33
ChurcH_of_FoamYtheres no file there >.<12:33
nikkiadebian has a 'groach' which is a gnome clone12:34
ChurcH_of_FoamYi want xroaches lol12:34
ChurcH_of_FoamYdoes it do the same thing?12:34
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nikkiathere WAS a debian pkg of it12:35
ChurcH_of_FoamYall the links on that site are dead12:35
nikkiaChurcH_of_FoamY: no idea, probably not12:35
closureare they damnit12:35
nikkiathe problem is, any debian pkg of it, is probably going to depend on Xfree libs12:36
closureos x runs x roach12:36
closurenikkia, good point damnit12:36
closuredidn't think of that12:36
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nikkiabah, more dead links12:36
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ChurcH_of_FoamYfound groach12:39
ChurcH_of_FoamYbut no xroach12:39
nikkiawell, i found the source, and it compiles 'easily' enough12:39
nikkiaKDE's desktop obscures it tho12:40
ChurcH_of_FoamYso it dosen't work?12:40
ChurcH_of_FoamYhey i have a chin lol12:40
ChurcH_of_FoamYhow to use this file?12:40
nikkiaChurcH_of_FoamY: it probably will work, you just need to disable the background stuff12:41
ChurcH_of_FoamYoh ok12:41
closureChameleon22, do dpkg -i <filename>12:41
ChurcH_of_FoamYlike the background images and sutch?12:41
ChurcH_of_FoamYgroach_0.4.0-4_alpha.deb any idea how to use this file12:41
ChurcH_of_FoamYi have never seen it before with the"alpha" in it12:42
nikkianah, its not working12:42
ChurcH_of_FoamYoh ok12:42
nikkiakde is too in the way12:42
ChurcH_of_FoamYi found groach12:42
nikkiathere it goes12:43
nikkiathey move so fast that you can't see them individually12:43
ChurcH_of_FoamYi want12:43
ChurcH_of_FoamYi can't figure out how it install this groach12:43
nikkianah, its too fast12:44
nikkianothing i do slows it down enough12:44
ChurcH_of_FoamYwow groach or xroach?12:44
Horygo to that folder and run the command dpkg filename.deb12:44
closurenikkia, where's the pkg?12:44
Horyreplacing filename with groach_0.4..etc12:44
nikkiaclosure, there's not one, i compiled from source12:44
closurenikkia, where'd you find that?12:45
ChurcH_of_FoamYcan i get the link for the source?12:45
nikkiaclosure, sunsite12:45
unomeget snow 12:45
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closurethis is how we spend our sunday afternoon spawning roaches on our computers12:45
nikkiathey're slow enough if you create 1000 roaches and set the speed to 0.1 pixels/sec12:45
nikkiabut then it all gets flickery12:45
closureno wonder i can't relate to most people12:45
ChurcH_of_FoamY groach_0.4.0-4_alpha.deb12:45
closureChurcH_of_FoamY,  where did you find that?12:46
ChurcH_of_FoamYit says it's not the right type of file12:46
unomeroaches can help you keeping kids away from your computer12:46
closureChurcH_of_FoamY, yeah12:46
closureyou need the i38612:47
ChurcH_of_FoamYi lost the link X(12:47
ChurcH_of_FoamYno i gotta go and find that one >.<12:47
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closureChurcH_of_FoamY,  then sudo dpkg -i groach12:48
closurewell the full filename12:48
ChurcH_of_FoamYsweet ^_^12:49
ChurcH_of_FoamYshit dependancys12:49
ChurcH_of_FoamYis there a way to auto install the needed dependancys?12:49
ChurcH_of_FoamYor do i have to do them 1 buy 112:49
closurei don't know12:50
ChurcH_of_FoamYwell i'll figure it out12:50
ChurcH_of_FoamYand let you know12:50
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closurei'm going to ask for a pkg on the forum12:50
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nikkiacan't get my desktop back how it was now12:51
closurepeople are going to think i'm retarded12:52
ChurcH_of_FoamYwell are you cause if not don't worry about it ^_^12:55
ChurcH_of_FoamYnow how to run it12:57
ChurcH_of_FoamYno critters yet12:57
ChurcH_of_FoamYwhere the hell are they12:58
nikkiapeople think i'm retarded sometimes, it vaguely annoys me12:58
ChurcH_of_FoamYwell you know what they say 12:58
nikkiaall because sometimes i have trouble making the thoughts in my head into words12:58
ChurcH_of_FoamYstupid people are always blissfully unaware of how dumb they really are12:58
ChurcH_of_FoamY-patrick star12:58
ChurcH_of_FoamYyou know that happens to me too12:59
ChurcH_of_FoamYi get flabberghasted12:59
ChurcH_of_FoamYand stumble over my own speach12:59
ChurcH_of_FoamYok groaches are sucking up assloads of cou and there not showing up >,<01:00
nikkiachurch, they are, just kdesktop is probably hiding them01:00
nikkiatry 'killall kdesktop'01:00
nikkiayou should suddenly see the X background circa 1990 :P01:00
ChurcH_of_FoamYthey look like bats >.<01:01
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ChurcH_of_FoamYwith big eyes01:01
Borg^QueenHey people I'm finally running a KU install01:01
Borg^QueenI'm having trouble with root access01:02
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ChurcH_of_FoamYthere congragating and plotting behind x-chat01:02
Borg^QueenHow do I set the root passwoard?01:02
Borg^QueenAgainst me?01:02
ChurcH_of_FoamYit's a joke with groach01:02
Borg^QueenAh ok bacause otherwise I would have to destroy you tiny humans01:02
nikkiai can imagine cockroaches and borgs fighting to the death01:03
ChurcH_of_FoamYhmmmm 01:03
Borg^QueenI'd win01:03
Borg^QueenI have a big shoe01:03
nikkiaborg, doubtful01:03
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea theyd assimilate the roaches01:03
closurenikkia, are you female?01:03
Borg^Queentwo really big shoes01:03
nikkiacockroaches are scary01:03
nikkiaclosure, yes, why?01:03
ChurcH_of_FoamYand then you really woulden't be able to get rid of em01:03
Borg^QueenAgreed roaches are scary01:03
closureBorg^Queen, are you female?01:03
Borg^QueenWe are many things01:03
closurecause i think there's two females in here that's incredible01:03
Borg^Queeno_0 yeah why?01:03
nikkiaif you want to see just how scary cockroaches are, put one in an airtight container for a couple of months01:04
nikkiathey DO NOT DIE01:04
closurejust suprised to see girls in the kubuntu room01:04
Borg^QueenHmm two females is equal to 100 males01:04
Borg^Queengirls? Women01:04
closurewell 77 apparently01:04
ChurcH_of_FoamYborg or human ;P01:04
closureBorg^Queen, if you want to feel old that's fine01:04
ChurcH_of_FoamYi just steped on a few of them01:04
Borg^QueenI am the beginning and the end01:04
closureBorg^Queen, i try to make women feel as young as possible as age seems to insult them01:05
Borg^QueenI am the one who is many01:05
Borg^Queenso what about my Q?01:05
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closurewhat's the scum manifesto?01:05
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ChurcH_of_FoamYok roaches must die01:05
Borg^Queenclosure: you are a wise male. We shall keep you/01:05
closureroaches rock01:05
nikkiaclosure, a womens thing, you're not allowed01:05
ChurcH_of_FoamYthere hiding behind the kbar now >.<01:05
closurei look up to the little guys01:05
Borg^QueenWhat little guys?01:05
closurei'm almost convinced they're aliens too01:05
ChurcH_of_FoamYhow to change how many there are and speed and stuff?01:05
Borg^Queenthe roaches.01:05
Borg^QueenThey are01:05
ChurcH_of_FoamYyou know it's possible01:05
Borg^QueenThey come from the Roachnebula01:06
ChurcH_of_FoamYthere borg spys O_O01:06
closurethey're the oldest things on the planet and i don't see them going anywhere01:06
Borg^QueenNo no01:06
nikkiaChurcH_of_FoamY: no, spiders are the only alien lifeform on this planet01:06
ChurcH_of_FoamYare you shure01:06
Borg^QueenI like spiders01:06
monchyew spiders01:06
ChurcH_of_FoamYi'm so afraid of them it's not funniw01:06
Borg^Queenclosure: I like you, when the world is mine...01:06
nikkiaaltho, i wouldn't put it past the spiders to have bio-genetically engineered the roaches01:06
Borg^QueenYour death shall be quick and painless01:06
closurewhatever you say01:07
monchyno more talk about spiders ><01:07
Borg^Queennikkia: sssssshhhh01:07
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closurecause it's slow and tedious with copius ammounts of booze and cigarettes01:07
Borg^QueenWhy are telling these insignificant humans the plan?01:07
closureat this point at least01:07
ChurcH_of_FoamYshivvers again01:07
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closurewidows venom eats your flesh right?01:08
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nikkiaclosure, no, that's recluses01:08
closurewhat do widows do?01:08
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nikkiaclosure, widow venom CAN eat flesh, but its rare01:08
ChurcH_of_FoamYfuck no01:08
nikkiaclosure, just a neuro-toxin, mostly01:08
ChurcH_of_FoamYget them the hell outta here01:08
Borg^QueenLOL too late01:08
Borg^Queenlook out your window01:08
closurei'm from the south and recluses are everywhere here apparently i'm so scared i'm going to wake up missing a finger or a chunk of my leg01:08
nikkiaclosure, the bite zone gets swollen, and red, though01:08
ChurcH_of_FoamYok enough talk about spyders01:09
Borg^Queenso about the sudo thing?01:09
closureyeah really i'm barefoot right now and it's starting to freak me out01:09
nikkiaclosure, the thing you notice most about a widow bite, is that 'omg, i don't remember breaking my arm' feeling01:09
Borg^Queenclosure: don't look down. and don't move01:09
ChurcH_of_FoamYi can handel giant madagascarian millipedes but not spyders01:09
closurescrew that01:09
closureBorg^Queen,  i'm not lol01:09
nikkiaChurcH_of_FoamY: ewww, millipedes, NO01:09
Borg^Queendon't move01:09
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea there awsoem01:09
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ChurcH_of_FoamYthere an inch in diamerter01:10
Borg^QueenI like millipedes01:10
closureBorg^Queen,  it's not a bee it's a spider01:10
ChurcH_of_FoamYand 2 feet long01:10
ChurcH_of_FoamYand eat dead things01:10
monchyaren't the millipedes the things and can bore into your brain thru your ear?01:10
ChurcH_of_FoamYlike lettece and body hair01:10
Borg^Queennikkia: millipedes are great with jam01:10
ChurcH_of_FoamYi wish01:10
ChurcH_of_FoamYi'd probibly be more enviromentally consious01:10
closureChurcH_of_FoamY, wtf are you talking about that's lettuce and body hair?01:10
Borg^Queenmonchy: you're thinking of an earwig01:10
nikkiamillipedes make me physically sick01:10
monchythats it01:10
ChurcH_of_FoamYgiant madagascarian millipedes01:10
nikkiamonchy, and its an urban legend :P01:10
Borg^Queenmonchy: don't look over your shoulder01:11
closureOHHHHHHHHHH YEAH i saw those at this reptile shop01:11
ChurcH_of_FoamYthey eat rotting lettus and like body hair too01:11
ChurcH_of_FoamYi used to let them climb on my arm01:11
Borg^Queenwhat does?01:11
closuref that01:11
Borg^QueenAre you guys talking about my x husband?01:11
ChurcH_of_FoamYweard feeling thousands of sharp pointy legs01:11
monchyso they can't bore into your brain lol01:11
closurewhy would you want them to eat your body hair01:11
closureBorg^Queen, of course01:11
Borg^Queenthought so01:11
Borg^Queensoooo hellppppp! 01:11
ChurcH_of_FoamYthey crawl on your arm when ya let them01:11
Borg^QueenHow do I set the root password?01:11
ChurcH_of_FoamYand kinda graze on the hair cause it's dead01:12
nikkiaborg, sudo passwd01:12
nikkiaborg, but do you *reall* want to?01:12
nikkiathere's no real need01:12
ChurcH_of_FoamYreally weard though01:12
closureBorg^Queen, it's your password01:12
nikkiasudo/kdesu is all you need01:12
nikkiathere are a handful of obscure apps that rely on a root password, but not many01:12
closureman i love tasting beer when i burp and i haven't had one in like 15 hours01:13
Borg^Queenclosure: It didn't work so I needed to add a root passwd01:13
closureBorg^Queen, oh01:13
ChurcH_of_FoamYthats nasty01:13
Borg^Queenwhat's nasty01:14
ChurcH_of_FoamYsips bacardy 151 from the bottle01:14
Borg^QueenOh eeww01:14
closureChurcH_of_FoamY, i guess but it's better than eating body hair >8-P01:14
Borg^QueenBeer: recycled urine01:14
closuref that!01:14
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea true01:14
closurei shot 151 once01:14
closurei was like 'that was just stupid'01:14
ChurcH_of_FoamYit must be something they like for some reason01:14
closurei also shot golden grain once when i was 1501:14
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea it herts after a while01:14
closuremy throat closed up01:14
ChurcH_of_FoamYi like graves grain01:14
ChurcH_of_FoamYthat stuff will kill you 01:15
closurehell yeah it will01:15
ChurcH_of_FoamYif your not carefull01:15
ChurcH_of_FoamYbut then again i have some home brew thats 200% 01:15
closurethere's  big damn warning on the bottle saying "DANGER"01:15
closureyou can't have 200%01:15
ChurcH_of_FoamYit'll put hair on you chest even if your a girl01:15
closure200 proof01:15
ChurcH_of_FoamYyes you can01:15
ChurcH_of_FoamYok 100 proof then lol01:15
closure1% == 2 proof01:16
ChurcH_of_FoamYit's a recepe for berry wine01:16
closureso 200 proof would be 100% alcohol01:16
ChurcH_of_FoamYafter you make it you scrape the berrys of with a sive01:16
ChurcH_of_FoamYand put them on ice cream or pancakes01:16
ChurcH_of_FoamYit damn good01:16
closureand 100% alcohol is clear01:16
Borg^QueenI'm so lost01:16
ChurcH_of_FoamYmost of it is01:17
closure100 proof would make more sense01:17
ChurcH_of_FoamYbut theres a layer of berrys on the top of the stuff i male01:17
closureno wine is going to be 100% alcohol01:17
ChurcH_of_FoamYyou wanna bet01:17
closuremonchy, i did mention i was in the south >8-)01:17
ChurcH_of_FoamYthis stuff will drop you01:17
closureChurcH_of_FoamY, you can't have 100% alcohol wine01:17
closureit doesn't work taht way01:17
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea and this stuffs from france01:17
closure100% alcohol is just that pure alcohol01:17
ChurcH_of_FoamYit's been in my family for a long time01:17
ChurcH_of_FoamYand i swear it's a 100 proof01:18
closureyou can have 100 proof but it wouldn't be considered wine01:18
ChurcH_of_FoamYit hert if you take a shot01:18
closureyeah 100 proof isn't 100 percent01:18
closureit's 50 percent01:18
ChurcH_of_FoamYok i see 01:18
ChurcH_of_FoamYi'm still learning about makeing it01:18
ChurcH_of_FoamYi have a batch now brewing01:18
ChurcH_of_FoamYstarted it last december01:19
closuremaking wine is a neat hobby01:19
ChurcH_of_FoamYi'm waiting till new years to pop the kask open01:19
closureand if you do it right and make a tastey batch the ladies will love you for it01:19
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea lol01:19
ChurcH_of_FoamYthe berrys are the best part01:19
Borg^Queenyou know what01:20
ChurcH_of_FoamYthe fermentation turns them into a liqure like syrup some how01:20
closureBorg^Queen, ?01:20
Borg^QueenThis kubuntu works great out of the disc01:20
closureBorg^Queen, indeed i was quite impressed when i discovered ubuntu01:20
Borg^QueenI spent hours setting up Sarge only to update and have it screw up01:20
ChurcH_of_FoamYi perfer to apt-get the kubuntu01:20
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ChurcH_of_FoamYfrom gnome01:20
closureand quite proud nobody told me about it i just found it >8-)01:20
ChurcH_of_FoamYi had to be led to it >.<01:21
Borg^QueenI spent 15 months looking for an honorable replacement to RedHat 901:21
Borg^QueenI'm an idealist.01:21
ChurcH_of_FoamYdiden't even know it existed untill a few monthes ago01:21
Borg^QueenI know sounds stupid but01:21
ookiianyone know  how to unrar something in kubuntu?01:21
closurei don't remember how i found it i think i just looked on some distro site and stumbled onto it01:21
closurei was using knoppix before01:21
Borg^Queenookii: you can right click on it in Konq01:21
closurei have slackware running on a couple 100mhz machines01:21
ChurcH_of_FoamYi switched from windows to ubuntu01:21
closurebut i've never got far enough into slack to run x01:22
Borg^QueenNor did I01:22
ChurcH_of_FoamYi just use ubuntu/kubuntu01:22
ChurcH_of_FoamYand nothing else it's the best distro in my opinion out there01:22
Borg^QueenI have used ubuntu, kubuntu and debian01:22
Borg^Queenand RH01:22
Borg^Queenand FC301:22
Borg^QueenI have tested over 64 distros in the last 15 months01:23
Borg^QueenChurcH_of_FoamY: I agree01:23
unomewrote any reviews?01:23
ChurcH_of_FoamYi think i'm just gonna stay with this one01:23
Borg^QueenAlthough there's a up and coming distro.... 01:23
ChurcH_of_FoamYyes i have01:23
Borg^QueenArk Linux01:23
ChurcH_of_FoamYi tested it as my only os for three monthes01:23
Borg^Queenunome:  I?01:23
ChurcH_of_FoamYand gave it a awsome review01:23
Borg^QueenNot yet01:23
unomeyou should.01:24
ChurcH_of_FoamYgentoo on the other hand01:24
Borg^QueenWhen I finally settle on a company distro I will01:24
Borg^QueenGentoo is good but hardcore01:24
ChurcH_of_FoamYyes it is01:24
Borg^Queenfar too hard to install for the average user01:24
closureBorg^Queen, what's ark linux?01:24
ChurcH_of_FoamYvery hard to use core01:24
Borg^QueenArk Linux is a great little distro with a great deal of potential01:24
closurewhat's the idea?01:24
Borg^QueenCurrently working on a better installer01:25
Borg^QueenSimilar to Kubuntu01:25
closurei got my eye on PCBSD01:25
Borg^QueenAn out of the disc usable distro01:25
ChurcH_of_FoamYi herd of this thing called reactos01:25
closurei'm about to burn ths disc in a minute01:25
unomewait until you see breezy :D01:25
ChurcH_of_FoamYthought it was kinda neat though it can't do anything right now01:25
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closureand if i feel real ballsy i'm wiping this one and installin PCBSD01:25
closureunome, what's breezy going to do that this one doesn't?01:25
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closureit's the same concept as ubuntu but it's based on FreeBSD01:26
closureBSD is unix01:26
Borg^Queenbreezy is the new version?01:26
closurelinux is a spin off01:26
Borg^QueenBSD is not unix01:26
closuremany of the uber dorks say linux is for kids and bsd is key01:26
Borg^QueenBerkely Software Developement01:26
closureBSD is what people refer to as unix01:27
closureas i understand it at least01:27
unomeforget the first one.01:27
`crimsunmost people who are zealots one way or the other just lack the wisdom to see the other's place01:27
`crimsunnothing exists in a vacuum01:28
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ChurcH_of_FoamYlooks like kde01:28
ChurcH_of_FoamYso um what is it built on? gnome what?01:29
nikkiaborg, it is, sort of01:29
Borg^Queensort of in that it functions the same way01:30
Borg^Queenbut completely different kernel01:30
ChurcH_of_FoamYi like the way it looks01:30
nikkiano, its a bit deeper than that, borg01:30
ChurcH_of_FoamYis it updated often?01:30
Borg^QueenI can't find any packages like apollon01:31
Borg^Queenwhat do I need to do to get a large package list01:31
ChurcH_of_FoamYhow do iturn the desktop background back on01:32
Borg^QueenFor example I'm looking for kwikdisk too01:32
ChurcH_of_FoamYthat roaches program is dead now01:32
nikkiaborg, BSD was originally based on v6, and v7, UNIX source code01:32
Borg^Queenright click on the desktop and choose config desktop01:32
closurei'll bbl guys01:33
closureya'll have a good one01:33
ChurcH_of_FoamYnope cause i killed it >.<01:33
nikkianow, it has since dropped all of that code, afaik, but the fact remains that it was originally a UNIX derivative, and just rewriting the code to do the same thing but with new code still keeps it 'sort of UNIX' IMO01:33
ChurcH_of_FoamYi just have the kbar 01:33
Borg^Queenyou killed your gui?01:33
ChurcH_of_FoamYmost of it01:33
ChurcH_of_FoamYto run groaches01:33
nikkiait gets even more complicate when you bear in mind that UNIX adopted the BSD socket system01:33
Borg^Queenwhat do you want to startup?01:33
ChurcH_of_FoamYwhich went way to fast01:33
ChurcH_of_FoamYthe background lol01:33
ChurcH_of_FoamYi typed in a command and it killed it so i could see the roaches01:34
nikkiaChurcH_of_FoamY: hit ALT-F2, type kdesktop, hit enter, wait a second :)01:34
Borg^Queenwhat do I need to do to get a large package list01:34
ChurcH_of_FoamY^_^ thanx nikkia01:35
ChurcH_of_FoamYi think i'll stick to my neko01:35
ChurcH_of_FoamYit's so much cuter01:36
ChurcH_of_FoamYand dosen't hide behind windows01:36
Borg^QueenChurcH_of_FoamY: the roaches are looking at you from under the bed.01:37
ChurcH_of_FoamYcool let them stay there till i turn out the lights and put on my night vision goggles01:38
ChurcH_of_FoamYi have a nifty electric fly swatter i benn wanting to try ^_^01:38
Borg^QueenThey have night vision too01:38
ChurcH_of_FoamYwell duh there roaches lol01:38
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stisevHi all01:40
Borg^Queenwhat package does kwikdisk come in and how to I expand my package list01:40
stisevI'm loving Kubuntu!01:41
crimsunstisev, great01:41
stisevGnome was alright but I fancy KDE much more01:41
stisevHi Borg^Queen. :)01:41
stisevBorg^Queen: How do you change the from 24hr -> 12 hour mode01:42
stisevI swear I changed it in the config panel, but KDE refuses to do it.01:42
Borg^Queenright click on the clock01:42
Borg^Queenadjust time and day if I remember01:42
Borg^Queendate and time format01:43
stisevBorg^Queen: Yep01:43
stisevTime & Dates01:43
Borg^Queenhmm the options are different here01:44
stisevsecond question: I deleted my KMenu accidentally01:45
Borg^QueenI don't get it01:45
Borg^Queenright click on the taskbar01:45
stisevI recreated it, but I can't get it to move all the way to the left side01:45
stisev(where it used to be001:45
Borg^Queengo to add applet kmenu01:45
Borg^Queenoh r01:45
Borg^Queenright click on it and choose move01:45
stisev(sorry for saying lol, but still)01:46
Borg^QueenYou owe me chocolate01:46
stisevthat deserved a lol. :p01:46
stisevBorg^Queen: PM ok?01:46
Borg^QueenNow I want it now01:47
stisev(Private Message)01:47
Borg^QueenI know but why?01:47
stisevSo I don't flood the channel with chatter01:47
monchyyou probably just excited alot of guys borg lol01:47
Borg^QueenWho me?01:47
stisevI just installed (I think) Wine01:47
Borg^QueenI'm fugly01:47
crimsunno, you're "Borg^Queen" 01:48
crimsunhi, I have hepatitis C01:49
Borg^Queencrimsun: and01:49
crimsunit's a brilliant line from Bewitched01:49
crimsununfortunately probably the only good line01:49
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ChurcH_of_FoamYthe most brilliant line i ever herd was01:54
ChurcH_of_FoamYhi i'm scitsophrenic and so am i01:54
Borg^QueenAh 01:55
Borg^QueenBut thats ok because I'll always have each other01:55
ChurcH_of_FoamYthats awsome01:56
ChurcH_of_FoamYpulls out the pke meter "we have a live one"01:56
ChurcH_of_FoamY<insert crikets here>01:57
Borg^QueenNo no, installed01:57
Borg^QueenI'll be here all hour, try the veal01:58
crimsunI'll pass, I'm vegan01:58
crimsunmm hamburgers01:58
Borg^QueenSo am I01:58
crimsunmm milk and meat cookies01:58
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Borg^Queenoh yuck01:58
ChurcH_of_FoamYi think tofu is an alein life form01:59
Borg^QueenIs not01:59
ChurcH_of_FoamYhow can you be so shure01:59
ChurcH_of_FoamYi mean it's tasteless and gives you gass02:00
ChurcH_of_FoamYso it must be evil just like this bad joke02:00
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stisevDamn I've got 9 vaccines in the past couple of weeks02:00
stisevTetanus was by far the worst02:01
ChurcH_of_FoamYi died call you tomorrow02:01
nikkiawell, technically 'i'm not coming into the office this week'02:01
ChurcH_of_FoamYjust call in with fakitis02:01
ChurcH_of_FoamYor call in dead for the week02:01
nikkiachurch, no, i'm not skipping work, just not going into the office, but we have a silly rule that if you are working from home, you have to email the woman that does the timelogs so she has a record of you saying 'i'm working from home'02:01
ChurcH_of_FoamYmaybe ebola02:01
nikkiaafter 3-4 weeks of doing it, saying 'i'm working from home today' gets tiresome02:02
ChurcH_of_FoamYjust make a saved e-mail02:02
ChurcH_of_FoamYand keep resending it every time you need it02:02
nikkiaChurcH_of_FoamY: if i was going to do that, i'd setup  a cron job :P02:02
nikkia(and stay in bed another hour)02:02
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ChurcH_of_FoamYluckly i'm my own boss.....02:03
ChurcH_of_FoamYso if i'm sick i just tell my self02:03
ChurcH_of_FoamYfuck it.02:03
ChurcH_of_FoamYand thats that02:03
nikkiabeen there, done that, lost the $500k...02:03
Borg^QueenHey language02:03
ChurcH_of_FoamYi run a small computer shop02:04
Borg^QueenAye so do I02:04
ChurcH_of_FoamYmostly word of mouth02:04
Borg^QueenLinux only machines02:04
ChurcH_of_FoamYi really want to do that02:05
Borg^Queenwhich is why I'm looking for a new distro02:05
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ChurcH_of_FoamYi was thinking of makeing a contract with transgaming to have a licence to put it on the computers02:05
crimsunhow is Kubuntu stacking up?02:05
Borg^QueenSo far it's ok02:05
ChurcH_of_FoamYbecause most of my customers are script kiddes02:06
Borg^QueenIts missing stuff like kwikdisk02:06
Borg^Queenscript kiddies? Are you sure?02:06
ChurcH_of_FoamYpritty shure lol02:06
ChurcH_of_FoamYeither that or lan junkies02:06
ChurcH_of_FoamYthey don't want linux unless it can play there games02:06
ChurcH_of_FoamYso transgaming might be the solution02:07
Borg^Queenthey're gamers02:07
ChurcH_of_FoamYmost of them yed02:07
Borg^Queencrakmonkeys (win users)02:07
ChurcH_of_FoamYbut some i'm not so shure becuase of the hardware configs they request02:08
ChurcH_of_FoamYi had to order a server the other day for this customer02:08
ChurcH_of_FoamYand at the end before the purchase was made02:08
ecadre30 seconds till KDE 3.4.1  :-)02:08
Borg^Queenwhere did you get 3.4.1?02:09
ChurcH_of_FoamYthe guy asked me if i planed to use this server to make weapons of mass destruction02:09
nikkiaChurcH_of_FoamY: i wouldn't trade my job for any other job, tbh02:09
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monchybleh i won't use kde again til 3.502:09
ChurcH_of_FoamYand i thought what the hell kinda question is that?02:09
ChurcH_of_FoamYso i said yes02:09
ecadreIt's on a Kubuntu Hoary update repository02:09
ecadrejust a mo02:10
ChurcH_of_FoamYi was going to make exploding freto's02:10
ecadredeb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main02:10
ChurcH_of_FoamYthat sorta warped his mind lol02:10
nikkiathere was only one job that i was 'considered for' before i accepted this one, that *might* have potentially been cooler :P02:11
ChurcH_of_FoamYnikkia what was it?02:11
nikkiaand that was programming engine management software for a F1 team02:11
nikkiaChurcH_of_FoamY: but what i do now, is program video gambling terminals02:11
nikkiawhich is also fun, but doesn't involve going to F1 races, like the other job would have02:12
ecadrethere's a forum thread about it too02:12
ChurcH_of_FoamYi live near a casino any hacks for them?02:12
nikkiaChurcH_of_FoamY: no, and everyone asks that02:12
ChurcH_of_FoamYjust thinking that how a few years ago 02:12
ChurcH_of_FoamYa guy programmed a hack into the machenes02:12
ChurcH_of_FoamYwhere you pressed a bunch of buttions in sequence 02:13
ChurcH_of_FoamYand it spit out a jackpot02:13
nikkiaChurcH_of_FoamY: if you do something like that, you're *lucky* if you go to prison02:13
ChurcH_of_FoamYthe death penalty?02:13
ChurcH_of_FoamYwow harsh02:13
nikkiaChurcH_of_FoamY: yeah, of the gangland variety02:13
crimsunfederal pound you in the arse prison.02:14
ChurcH_of_FoamYso do they actually have like a cpu?02:14
nikkiaChurcH_of_FoamY: most of them are just bog standard PCs in a fancy case running windows02:14
ChurcH_of_FoamYare you shittin me02:14
nikkiaits true02:15
ChurcH_of_FoamYwow thats funnie02:15
ChurcH_of_FoamYso there hackable lol02:15
nikkiausually they add a watchdog card so if windows crashes it doesn't get noticed02:15
ChurcH_of_FoamYif it's windows based it's flawd02:15
nikkiaChurcH_of_FoamY: i accidently released a product with a huge hack a few months back02:15
nikkiaforgot to take out my keyboard shortcuts for adding money into the machine :P02:15
ChurcH_of_FoamYthat musta sucked02:16
nikkiaif you'd walked up, found a way into the case, plugged a USB keyboard in, and hit F4 it would have creditted you 2002:16
nikkiathankfully, realised before any damage was done and commented out the code02:16
nikkiawell, that's not entirely true, some lucky guy somewhere is 60 better off for it, because the company that owns the machine's stupid tech support can't press ALT-F4 properly :P02:18
nikkiathey VNC'ed to the machine and tried to kill the program, hitting F4 3 times in a row before hitting ALT-F402:18
ecadre* off to restart KDE for 3.4.1 upgrade *02:18
nikkiaanyway, bed time02:20
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stisevhi all02:21
stisevnight Borg^Queen  & nikkia 02:21
Borg^Queengn people02:21
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ecadreI wonder if Konqueror will stop crashing all the time now?02:21
charlesHow do I get an audio CD to play?02:22
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ecadreask it nicely?02:24
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crimsunjust put it in, and kscd should fire up02:25
ecadreor put it in and then start kscd02:25
ecadrethe cd should come up onto the desktop as well02:26
ecadreas "Audio CD"02:26
twidgetit does that much02:27
ecadrewoops, "Audio Disc"02:27
twidgetbut no sound02:27
ecadreis kmix running?02:27
ecadretry starting it and the setting the audio levels (to start with)02:28
twidgetk, just a sec02:28
ecadreif that doesn't help02:29
ecadrehave a look in the KDE Control Centre to see if your sound is set up at all02:30
ecadreControl Centre > Sound & Multimedia > Sound System02:30
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ecadreHey, I've just noticed it says "Center" not "Center"02:31
ecadrewoops "Centre"02:32
ecadrehmmm, I want proper spelling...... off to look at how to change it.02:32
ecadreha, I've installed the KDE gb english stuff and it still says "colors" in the Control Centre02:39
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twidgetokay... now02:40
twidgetI can hear sound in the setup02:40
ecadrehurrah, proper spelling, American English annihillated02:40
ecadregood, and sound for you  ;-)02:40
twidgetbut no music02:41
ecadredid you get the test sound on the Control Centre page02:42
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ecadreand you're trying to get sound through kscd at the mo?02:43
ecadrehow's the mixer?02:44
ecadrekmix that is?02:45
twidgetit's fine, it says, "Hello!"02:45
ecadreit should be running in your system tray02:45
twidgetit is02:45
ecadreif you bring up the mixer screen02:46
ecadrehave a look on the input tab02:46
twidgetamarok seems to be doing something02:46
ecadreand check there is a green light underneath the CD image02:46
twidgetyes, there is02:47
ecadreit's probably best close Amarok02:47
twidgetI have02:47
ecadredifferent programmes often fight over the sound demon02:47
ecadrethough, actually Amarok and ksCD should coexist OK02:48
twidgetksCD says it's playing Sgt. Pepper02:49
twidgetbut I hear nothing02:49
ecadrecan you play anything through Amarok?02:49
twidgetI have an Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe motherboard with an nVidia chipset02:50
ecadresorry, I'm not much help here :-/02:51
twidgetIt says NVidia CK804 on the bottom02:51
ecadrewell, I suspect it's something simple since you're getting a sound from the test button02:54
twidgetOh well, I'll keep banging away02:54
ecadrethat means it's actually workiing02:54
ecadrewhich is good02:54
ecadreanyone else I can completely fail to help ?02:58
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sanchomy mate has just installed kubuntu on my system then gone home,,,,, it's all a lil bit,,,, different03:08
js_he is sancho03:11
ChurcH_of_FoamYsancho of course it's diffrent silly03:12
ChurcH_of_FoamYbecause it works ^_^03:12
ChurcH_of_FoamYand it's free ^_^03:12
ChurcH_of_FoamYall new cartoon @ www.illwillpress.com03:14
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ecadredifferent to what?03:24
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ecadreheh, sancho went....ah well03:25
ecadreI'm trying to hold out against Flash Foamy  :-P03:26
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dutchcrimsun: evening :)03:31
crimsundutch, evening :) Got any plans for the Fourth?03:33
ecadreit is the fourth :-)03:36
crimsunlocaltime =)03:36
ecadreof course...03:37
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dutchcrimsun: gotta work the 4th03:59
crimsundutch, ah, I'm putting in time at the office now so I can take off tomorrow03:59
dutchcrimsun:  can't do that from a truck :)04:00
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crimsundutch, I hear ya04:00
dutchcrimsun:  goiing to bed....04:00
crimsunnight, dutch 04:01
crimsunhave a good one04:01
dutchcrimsun:  catch ya later...have a good one  04:01
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seth_kthe worst part of vacation04:01
seth_kis coming back from it04:01
crimsunhear, hear04:01
seth_kI just got back from Mexico a couple hours ago04:01
seth_khello, paperwork04:01
crimsunI returned from Ottawa yesterday, and this stuff at work has been smacking me in the face04:02
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ChurcH_of_FoamYcrimsun did you go through michigan at all?04:07
crimsunChurcH_of_FoamY, no, Illinois04:07
ChurcH_of_FoamYoh ok04:07
ChurcH_of_FoamYjust wondering04:08
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=== ..[topic/#Kubuntu:FoamY_is_AwaY] : HAPPY 4TH of JULY EVERYONE!! HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND AND PARTY IF YOU CAN. ^_^
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seth_kermm, foamy, somehow I don't think that was a great idea04:18
seth_kwe need that topic04:18
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monchyno worries04:18
seth_kindeed, you beat me04:19
FoamY_is_AwaYsorry man 04:19
FoamY_is_AwaYjust trying to wish everyone a good weekend04:19
monchyyou could probably add to the end of it though04:19
FoamY_is_AwaYdiden't mean to offend04:19
seth_kno worries04:19
monchygod if i see another pauly shore commercial i'm going to vomit04:20
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seth_kI got Montezuma's Revenge while I was in Mexico. It was a party ^_^04:23
seth_kwell, it was a party after I stopped hallucinating that snakes were crawling all over my body04:23
monchyahh snakes :x04:25
unomeroot shouldnt be in the sudoers list, right or wrong?04:26
aseigounome: doesn't really matter, but not having it there is a bit silly =)04:28
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unomeI dont know how it end up there .. I dont recall if I did04:29
unomeI dont see a reason for it to be there ... unless I'm missing something04:30
aseigoso that root can use sudo.04:31
aseigoit makes more sense than you might think at first blush04:31
unomeexplain please04:31
aseigoe.g.: sudo -u someuser somecommand04:31
unomegood point04:32
aseigothere are some commands that you may wish to run as a specific user04:32
unomeI'll put back there, good thinking.04:33
Mace68Hi all04:35
Mace68I need a good disaster recovery program. I am backing up to an external USB2.0 HD. I've tried backup2l and it seems very solid and I like the way it works except for one thing. SPEED. Can anybody recommend any other free tools (as automated as possible) to make a disaster recovery set?04:35
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monchythere doesn't happen to be an easier way to install themes in kde is there? ie: drag n' drop for gnome. just curious04:36
aseigomonchy: what kind of themes? widget themes?04:36
Mace68is it faster than afio?04:36
monchywindow decs / styles04:36
ecadreunless you're talking about a disk image04:36
unomewin dec can be installed from kcontrol I guess04:37
Mace68I like the fault tolerance of afio. Disk image would be ok too.04:37
stisevhi qall04:37
stisever Hi all04:37
monchybe back in a bit04:39
Mace68Is there a GPL (free) disk imaging program that will put an image of my main drive as a compressed file on removable media (kindof like ghost)?04:40
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Mace68thanks ecadre, I'll have a look at it.04:42
ecadreit's command line04:43
ecadrevery simple04:44
Mace68I'm a newbie but the command line doesn't scare me :P I guess I'll find everything in the man file?04:44
ecadredd if=/disc_to_backup of=/image.iso04:44
Mace68if=input file, of= output file i presume?04:45
ecadredd if=something-to-backup   if=output.iso04:45
godsmokedd is the most powerful data imaging tool on the planet04:45
ecadreit's very, very good04:45
ecadredead easy04:46
stisevHi all04:46
stisevSo what are some must-have apps for Linux (ubuntu)04:46
Mace68for the if parameter should I specify the HD (/dev/hda) or the partition (/dev/hda3)?04:46
ecadreblinkin' 'eck, that'll be far too long a list04:47
godsmokestisev: completely depends on what you're doing04:47
godsmokeMace68: depends on what you want to copy ...04:47
Mace68i just want to be able to recover quickly from a disaster04:47
ecadredepends if you want to image the whole disk, or just one partition04:47
ecadredo the whole disk then, if you've got the space04:48
Mace68can I pipe it through bzip2 or something like that?04:48
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Mace68or should i bzip it after the image is created04:49
godsmokeyou can zip it through a pipe, sure04:49
godsmokebut ... I don't know how good the compression on a disk image will be04:50
stisevgodsmoke: Media player04:50
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stisevgodsmoke: I used Winamp 5.093 + Albumlist + Enhancer017 on Windows04:50
Mace68does dd copy empty sectors as well?04:50
stisevit was the best media player I've ever used04:51
godsmokestisev: Kaffeine is a good graphical kde media player -- mplayer is a real workhorse media player -- vlc also has uses04:51
Mace68or just the parts containing data04:51
godsmokeMace68: yes -- it's a bit-for-bit copy04:51
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godsmokeMace68: I use it for forensics work all the time04:51
ecadreif you want a quick backup/restore of a disk, compressing stuff through gzip or something would kust take ages04:51
Mace68so the empty space should compress quite well i would think (just a guess though)04:52
ecadredd does a complete image of a disk, everything04:52
FoamY_is_DrunK have a happy 4th of july everyone! ^_^04:52
stisevDoes anyone know if enemy territory will run on Ubuntu?04:52
Mace68ecadre: that's what I'm finding with backup2l04:52
godsmokeMace68: not much "empty space" on a disk04:52
seth_kstisev, sure, beautifully04:52
godsmokeit's all residual data04:52
stisevseth_k: do I have to grab a specific package?04:52
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godsmokeso there isn't like a block of 5 billion 0s04:52
godsmoketo compress04:52
stisevcan I get this one : http://www.frag9.net/enemy.territory/?04:52
stisever 04:52
seth_kmine's newer :P04:53
Mace68no way to wipe the free space or am I still thinking too much on the windows side of things?04:53
ecadrea disk image is just that, an exact image of a disk04:54
Brydenn[WU] Enemy Territory sucks04:55
Brydenn[WU] its a poor excuse for TFC04:55
Brydenn[WU] and the physics suck too04:55
ecadreI don't know about thinking in a windows way, it's just that for a quick diaster recovery, a disk image is best04:56
godsmokeright -- you're sure to get whatever can be gotten without $50,000 worth of disk equipment04:57
Mace68ecadre, godsmoke, thanks for your help. I'll try dd and see how it goes. I have a 60GB disk and a 120GB external drive for backup so room isn't an issue.04:57
FoamY_is_DrunKanyone know where i can find a really cheap hard drive bay thats removible?/04:57
stisevseth_k:  that area is for restricted users onky04:57
stisever only04:57
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ecadreif your hard disk went down, you could stick in a new one and use a knoppix CD yo restore the image04:58
Mace68partitions and all?04:58
seth_k just register for free, stisev04:58
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ecadreexcuse me, many of us aren't from the US04:58
Mace68I guess because it's an image it would04:58
seth_kthat was the link off the official ET site, so I dunno04:58
godsmokeFoamY_is_DrunK: what kind of hard drive bay?04:58
penguinboyhey hey hey Linux geeks and nerds!!!04:58
godsmokeFoamY_is_DrunK: do you mean a hotswap bay?04:58
ecadreno Brits put up stuff about Trafalgar day I bet04:59
FoamY_is_DrunKone that you can use with 2 hard drives04:59
godsmokeFoamY_is_DrunK: what do you mean?04:59
FoamY_is_DrunKwell if you don't live in the usa luck you04:59
FoamY_is_DrunKlucky you even04:59
FoamY_is_DrunKwe have a complete moron for a prez anyway04:59
Mace68thanks again people, I'm of to dd-land. Bye.04:59
godsmokeMace68: good luck05:00
ecadreI know Foamy, but I bet your not going to "PATY" either :-)05:00
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ecadrecome on, stop it05:01
FoamY_is_DrunKok ok sorry05:01
FoamY_is_DrunKjust trying to fix my mistakes05:01
penguinboyno problem there Foamy05:01
FoamY_is_DrunKso people can understand lol05:01
ecadreha  :-P05:01
FoamY_is_DrunKnot trying to peeve anyone off 05:02
FoamY_is_DrunKsorry if i did05:02
penguinboyyou did not05:02
ecadre"JAPPY 4TH OF JULY"     ????05:02
FoamY_is_DrunK>.< 05:02
penguinboya mispelling perhaps05:02
FoamY_is_DrunKscrew it05:02
ecadreand where's Laurel going to bwe05:02
FoamY_is_DrunKi ant gonna screw with it anymore05:02
FoamY_is_DrunKit's good enough for goberment work05:03
ecadrethe thing is, for most of the world, 4th of July is, well, just the 4th day in July05:04
FoamY_is_DrunKyea i know05:04
FoamY_is_DrunKi try to involve myself in other cultures as much as i can05:04
penguinboynice Foamy05:04
FoamY_is_DrunKto be more knowlegeable about there belefes and ways05:05
FoamY_is_DrunKwould you beleve that i actually like haggus05:05
FoamY_is_DrunKas gross as it is lol05:05
ecadreif you mean haggis, virtually no-one eats it05:05
FoamY_is_DrunKyea i do it's actualy quite good05:06
ecadreexcept a bit on Burn's night05:06
FoamY_is_DrunKi found a recepe on the net and made it myself05:06
penguinboydoesit taste like Spam?05:06
FoamY_is_DrunKi don't think so05:06
ecadreoffal and oats in a sheeps stomach05:06
FoamY_is_DrunKit actually tastes better than it looks05:06
penguinboywhat is offal?05:06
ecadreit smells awful05:07
FoamY_is_DrunKyea it does05:07
FoamY_is_DrunKkinda like limburger cheese05:07
FoamY_is_DrunKbut man is it good05:07
ecadreoffal, all of the bits and bobs that aren't actually meat05:07
FoamY_is_DrunKi like trying dishes from other countrys05:07
ecadreall of the cheap stuff goes into Haggis05:08
FoamY_is_DrunKit shows you kinda how other cultures are05:08
ecadreit's a poor peasant's dish05:08
FoamY_is_DrunKyou should try a pasty05:08
FoamY_is_DrunKpronounced past-ey05:08
stisevmacademian nuts + organic reason = Mmmmmmmmmmmmm05:08
FoamY_is_DrunKwhat is this dish?05:08
stisevorganic RAISON05:08
ecadreit's pronounced pasty05:09
FoamY_is_DrunKooh sounds good wheres it from?05:09
FoamY_is_DrunKno 05:09
FoamY_is_DrunKnot pasty05:09
FoamY_is_DrunKtheres a diffrence05:09
FoamY_is_DrunKbeleve it or not05:09
ecadrelike eye-rak05:09
FoamY_is_DrunKi even tryed blood sausage05:10
ecadredon't you have pasties over in the US?05:10
FoamY_is_DrunKnot my coup de gras05:10
ecadreblack pudding05:10
FoamY_is_DrunKthats where i got the rsepie05:10
FoamY_is_DrunKnever tryed black pudding what is it?05:10
FoamY_is_DrunKis that like blood pudding?05:11
ecadreer, pigs blood, fat .....05:11
FoamY_is_DrunKthats what i thought05:11
ecadreblack pudding05:11
FoamY_is_DrunKa freind from eingland sent me a recepie05:11
ecadrefirst catch a pig05:11
ecadresure it wasn't a fiend from England?05:12
FoamY_is_DrunKsorry about the spelling05:12
FoamY_is_DrunKi tend to spell things has i see them in my mind05:12
ecadrefiend was the correct spelling05:12
FoamY_is_DrunKhow so?05:13
ecadrefor what I wrote it was :-)05:13
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FoamY_is_DrunKone thing i noticed about my country is that theres alot of racisem 05:14
FoamY_is_DrunKif only people would take the time to explore other cultures theyd see that we where all the same05:14
ecadreba! Amarok gone barmy...... 05:14
ecadre^ Amarok's05:14
FoamY_is_DrunKit's really sad05:14
stisevFoamY_is_DrunK:  what country05:14
stisevFoamY_is_DrunK: what state05:15
FoamY_is_DrunKyea were supposed to be the most powerfull contrey in the world05:15
stisevAmerica's people are a bunch of idiotic sheep05:15
FoamY_is_DrunKand we can't see past simple diffrences05:15
ecadrefoamy's state is drunk, he keeps telling us05:15
FoamY_is_DrunKnot me05:15
stisevFoamY_is_DrunK: no, we're brainwashed by the media05:15
stisevFoxNews 05:15
stisevChina has sped past us05:16
FoamY_is_DrunKi don't watch tv05:16
stisevtheir economy is RED hot05:16
stisevFoamY_is_DrunK: Me neither05:16
stisevI just got back from China a month ago05:16
FoamY_is_DrunKi mean when i was a kid there was good things on tv05:16
FoamY_is_DrunKstuff you could learn05:16
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FoamY_is_DrunKi mean rember mr. wizard?05:16
stisevFoamY_is_DrunK: Yep, TV is below stupid now.05:16
FoamY_is_DrunKi agree05:16
stisevFoamY_is_DrunK: BUT BUT.. REALITY SHOWS!!05:16
ecadredie Amarok, die!!!05:16
stisevFoamY_is_DrunK: I just spend my time on the computer05:17
ecadredone it05:17
stisevFoamY_is_DrunK: you knwo what's funny?05:17
FoamY_is_DrunKbesides me?05:17
ecadrethanks for apologising for your President Foamy05:17
stisevFoamY_is_DrunK: those same people who insult me for "wasting my time on the computer" spend hours on end each day watching pointless reality shows05:17
stisevFoamY_is_DrunK: LOL05:17
ecadrewe know it's not all your fault05:17
FoamY_is_DrunKand just so you know i could never apologize enough for what our stupid prez is doin to the world05:18
FoamY_is_DrunKthe only thing that could is his death.05:18
ecadrehave you heard our Prime Minister  :-(05:18
FoamY_is_DrunKno which one?05:18
FoamY_is_DrunKor usa's05:19
ecadrewe only have one at a time you know....05:19
stisevFoamY_is_DrunK: yep05:19
ecadrebloody poodle05:19
FoamY_is_DrunKcharging tolls for your own vehicles05:19
FoamY_is_DrunKwhat is this world coming to?05:19
ecadreLinux !!!05:20
stisevHey guys05:20
stisevHow do install this file : et-linux-2.60.x86.run05:20
stisevIt's not .deb o_O05:20
ecadrephone home05:20
FoamY_is_DrunKyou know we consider our selves the most intellegent creatures on this planet and we can't even stop killing each other05:21
FoamY_is_DrunKit's quite pathetic05:21
FoamY_is_DrunKwe don't even have the common sence to see past our diffrences05:22
ecadreyeah, apparently the dolphins think they're the most intelligent for precisely the same reason  :-)05:22
FoamY_is_DrunKapes are more advanced than we are05:22
FoamY_is_DrunKat least they only kill when threatend of servival05:22
ecadrestisev;  is it some sort of a Loki installer?05:22
FoamY_is_DrunKwe kill because some other country pissed us off05:23
ecadreor maybe done by a shell script?05:23
ecadrechimpanzees can be pretty violent05:23
unomecountry or group of people?05:23
ecadrebut the whle Iraq things is....... crap05:24
FoamY_is_DrunKyea but think about how they react to the situations there presented with05:24
FoamY_is_DrunKi must be the only american that hates everything about the usa05:24
unomeno coutry pissed you off, a group of people did.05:24
stisevecadre: no idea05:24
stisevis enemy territor05:24
stisev(linux version)05:24
FoamY_is_DrunKme i don't care either way i just think it all stupid05:25
FoamY_is_DrunKtheres no need for any of it05:25
ecadreet-linux-2.60.x86.run looks like it should be run05:25
stisevecadre: eh?05:25
ecadreare you sure you trust it?05:25
ecadrefrom bash05:25
stisevfrom sh it's different, right?05:26
ecadrein one of your home directories05:26
FoamY_is_DrunKi can't waite till some other country says "ENOUGH" and comes over and whomps us05:26
ecadredon't give it any priviliges though05:26
FoamY_is_DrunKi want to shake that guys hand and say "thanx"05:26
stisevExtraction failed.05:26
stisevSignal caught, cleaning up05:26
stisevecadre: extraction failed :((05:26
ecadreFoamy;  there are millions of us out here, be we don't want to fight05:27
FoamY_is_DrunKi know it's stupid that we are pushed into it though05:27
ecadreyes indeed05:27
FoamY_is_DrunKi'd love to live in canada05:27
FoamY_is_DrunKthere a shining example of what a country should be05:28
FoamY_is_DrunKthey haven't started a war in what over 200 years05:28
ecadrestisev:  aren't there any instructions on the website (or was is ftp?)05:28
ecadrethey've been involved in quite a few though05:28
FoamY_is_DrunKthey have health plans and good artistical society05:28
FoamY_is_DrunKi wasen't aware of that05:29
FoamY_is_DrunKoh yea i forgot05:29
stisevecadre: FTP05:29
stisevecadre: Redownloading again just in case05:29
ecadreyou could try doing a search on the file name, just to see if there are any instructions out there05:30
FoamY_is_DrunKhas anyone noticed how other countrys are backing out of the iraq thing?05:30
ecadreyes Foamy05:30
ecadremust of us (yes MOST of the Britsh people, didn't want to do it in the first place05:30
FoamY_is_DrunKi really feel bad for poor stupid bush..he should have noticed by now that he's wrong05:31
ecadredemocracy eh?..............  ha!05:31
FoamY_is_DrunKdemocracy is just like saying f*** you!05:31
ecadreeven his church disagreed with him05:31
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FoamY_is_DrunKit could be a good thing if you use it right05:32
FoamY_is_DrunKreally? wow05:32
FoamY_is_DrunKthe whole pagan community is pissed at him cause of one of his sunderheaded comments05:32
FoamY_is_DrunKduderheaded even05:32
FoamY_is_DrunKhe said that paganism isen't a religion05:33
FoamY_is_DrunKhow dumb05:33
FoamY_is_DrunKthats just like saying that jews don't exist >.<05:33
FoamY_is_DrunKwhat narrow mindedness05:33
ecadreUnited Methodist Church05:34
ecadreBush and Cheney's church!05:36
FoamY_is_DrunKok after reading that i now come to the conclusion that bush is the biggest mass murder in history05:36
FoamY_is_DrunKand should be shot dead on site05:37
unomelinux and religion dont mix (:05:37
penguinboyfoamy be careful what you say05:37
FoamY_is_DrunKyea i know05:37
FoamY_is_DrunKbut it's the truth isen't it05:38
penguinboyi think you could be arrested on that statement alone05:38
ecadreFoamy; you'll end up at Guantanamo05:38
FoamY_is_DrunKi mean you can't honistly say that he has done good for the world05:38
unomethe truth is a perception.05:38
FoamY_is_DrunKponders the thought05:38
FoamY_is_DrunKi mean we have had 2 bushes in office right05:39
unomewhat's the truth to you maynot be the truth to someone else. watch TV you'll see what I'm talking about.05:39
FoamY_is_DrunKbothe of them have started shit for no reason05:39
ecadrewatch TV?05:39
FoamY_is_DrunKyea right and be brainwashed05:39
FoamY_is_DrunKdon't think so05:39
ecadrepower and money Foamy, them's the reasons05:40
FoamY_is_DrunKyea true but niether mean squat when your dead05:40
FoamY_is_DrunKyou can have all the power and mony in the world and it's all gone when you croak05:41
FoamY_is_DrunKit can't keep you alive forever05:41
ecadredidn't you know, they're all going to heaven!05:41
FoamY_is_DrunKthen god has droped his standards05:41
FoamY_is_DrunKto a very low point05:41
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FoamY_is_DrunKi know i should whatch what i say but i'm protected by the 1st admendment (if it still exits)05:42
FoamY_is_DrunKand if not oh well.05:43
ecadreif there are enough of us.... then.....  05:43
FoamY_is_DrunKyea right05:44
FoamY_is_DrunKit does have qoutes from the actually decleration of independence05:44
FoamY_is_DrunKi have a antiqued repo on my wall05:45
FoamY_is_DrunKmade it in woodshop05:45
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FoamY_is_DrunKecadre what you think?05:54
ecadresorry Foamy, got to go  :-)05:54
FoamY_is_DrunKhave a nice night05:54
ecadre(morning actually..!)05:54
FoamY_is_DrunKoh good morning then ^_^05:54
ecadreover here in Coventry, England...05:54
FoamY_is_DrunKoh wow nice05:55
FoamY_is_DrunKi seen pics of there once05:55
FoamY_is_DrunKlooks nice05:55
ecadrewhat of?05:55
ecadredepends what they photographed  :-)05:55
FoamY_is_DrunKit seemd like a pritty place05:55
FoamY_is_DrunKi suppose lol05:55
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ecadreanyway Foamy, keep up the good work, no more Bush, bring the troops home to their families where they belong!05:56
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monchyno more bush? did he finally get asassinated05:57
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monchyhey kaiser do you use konqueror?05:58
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Kamping_Kaisermonchy: no, not usualy06:00
penguinboyhey hey hey monchmeister and KK06:01
monchyhey penguin06:01
monchywell my prob is when i go to dl a file, it doesn't dl, it just goes to open it in KATE -.-06:01
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monchybtw penguin liz4rd is gone again lol06:02
ChurcH_of_FoamYi wish he did06:02
penguinboywhere to this time06:02
Kamping_Kaiseromg hi ChurcH_of_FoamY06:02
ChurcH_of_FoamYi whish someone would have the balls too06:02
monchyhe said somethin about his aunts, didn't know when he'd be back06:02
karthik_r085Hello, My name is Karthik. I would like to actively contribute to Kubuntu and KDE. What is the process I need to go to become one of the maintainers?06:02
penguinboysend me $100006:02
penguinboyand I will make it happen06:02
ChurcH_of_FoamYthats kinda mean06:14
Kamping_Kaiserprobably should have helped him :S06:16
ChurcH_of_FoamYhe wanted to make a contribution06:20
ChurcH_of_FoamYand people have to be a dick06:20
ChurcH_of_FoamYeven if it was unintentional06:20
monchyi think it was the lack of response that drove him off06:20
Kamping_Kaiseryeh, imo that's right06:21
ChurcH_of_FoamYi think it was penguinboy's coments06:21
ChurcH_of_FoamYbut thats just me06:21
Kamping_Kaiserhe's found it :)06:21
Kamping_Kaiser /whois karthik_r08506:21
monchyhe waited 10 minutes after penguins comment :P06:21
Kamping_Kaiserhe's on Kubuntu-devel06:21
ChurcH_of_FoamYoh really06:21
penguinboynot my fault06:21
penguinboyi was being serious06:22
ChurcH_of_FoamYyou work for kubuntu?06:22
ChurcH_of_FoamYwow i'm sorry man i meant no disrespect06:22
ChurcH_of_FoamYi just meet alot of smart asses in irc so it's hard to tell the legit from the scammers06:22
monchyi'm a smart ass06:23
penguinboyno...i am only joking....you should never take me seriously06:23
monchyi just felt i had to throw that out there06:23
penguinboyi am asmart homosexual ass06:23
monchywheres that brydenn guy that has a crush on you06:24
ChurcH_of_FoamYthats cool man06:24
penguinboyi am out...loud...and proud!06:24
ChurcH_of_FoamYnice man theres not many people i know that are gay06:25
ChurcH_of_FoamYit's nice to meet someone of colour06:25
penguinboythere are many of us....probably more than you even realize06:26
penguinboyi am not a person of color06:26
ChurcH_of_FoamYi diden't mean disrespect06:26
penguinboyand I did not think that you did06:26
ChurcH_of_FoamYi mustive phrased it wrong06:26
penguinboyi am a gay white boy06:26
ChurcH_of_FoamYoh ok cool06:26
penguinboyi think monchy could be bi06:27
penguinboyyou know...swing both ways06:27
monchyhell fucking no06:27
ChurcH_of_FoamYi know06:27
monchyif you want someone, take foamy06:28
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monchyhe's a drunk you should have no problem ;)06:29
monchyjk foamy :P06:29
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penguinboyfoamy are you interested06:29
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penguinboyWOW....I have 90 MB to upgrade06:30
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penguinboyhey hey hey kalenedrael 06:31
kalenedraelhey hey hety06:31
penguinboyahoy there mate06:31
penguinboyi graqnt you permission to come aboard06:31
penguinboywhere is transgress06:32
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ChurcH_of_FoamYpenguinboy maybe06:42
penguinboymaybe what???06:43
penguinboymaybe you are interested in me?06:43
penguinboyhave you ever been in a homosexual relationship before?06:47
penguinboyI'm listening...06:48
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wxyHi there! Need help resetting Thunderbird as default mail client.06:48
ookiihow come there is a file in directory konqueror and k3b cannot see, yet I can see it in the terminal?06:50
ookiisomething akin to the "show hidden files/directories" in windows?06:50
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penguinboyI think Queer As Folk is coming on the telly06:53
Kamping_Kaiserookii, do you have any filters set?06:54
ookiiKamping_Kaiser: no i don't06:55
Kamping_Kaiserwell that's not it then :(06:55
ookiiKamping_Kaiser: you really got me on this one, i checked the 'see hidden files'06:56
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stisevHi all07:03
stisevanyone know of a way to adjust the sound volume in KDE07:04
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea 2 ways07:04
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ChurcH_of_FoamYin control center07:04
ChurcH_of_FoamYand on the k-bar07:04
ChurcH_of_FoamYto the left the speaker icon07:04
stisevChurcH_of_FoamY: Q for you07:05
stisevwhen you click Kmenu07:05
stisevdo you have small icons in the menU07:05
stisever ?07:05
ookiianyone know why getting transcode off apt is broken in ubuntu?07:05
stisevI dont07:05
stisevis there any way tofix tha07:05
ChurcH_of_FoamY? weard07:05
ChurcH_of_FoamYum i really don't know07:06
Kamping_Kaiserookii because it's not an Ubuntu package IIRC, but I'm not the expert07:06
ChurcH_of_FoamYi'm not that good with linux yet07:06
ookiiKamping_Kaiser: well i know it's on the debian mallirat sources, but i only have the regular ubuntu plus the backports on my list07:06
stisevI dont see a place to adjust the sound in the control center07:06
ChurcH_of_FoamYhold on07:07
Kamping_Kaiserookii: not sure what the deal is07:07
ChurcH_of_FoamYis there a icon on the kbar all the way to the left before the clock?07:07
ChurcH_of_FoamYit looks like a blue speaker?07:07
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stisevall the way to the left before the clock?07:08
stisevto the right you mean?07:09
stisevand nope :(07:09
ChurcH_of_FoamYhmm weard07:09
stisevok I finally got it07:09
stisevI added "volume control" to my taskbar07:09
ChurcH_of_FoamYok cool07:10
ChurcH_of_FoamYhow'd you do it?07:10
ChurcH_of_FoamYi'd like to know07:10
stisevright click on the taskbar07:10
ChurcH_of_FoamYso i can tell others07:10
stisevadd to panel07:10
stisevapplication > multimedia >volume control07:10
stisevanyone know if there's a way to BIND my keyboard's Start menu button to K-Menu?07:11
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stisevHey guys07:17
penguinboyey hey07:17
stisevwhoever runs KDE here: does anyone have icons in their "K-menu"07:17
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stisevsmall icons07:18
stisevMine doens't seem to have any07:18
ChurcH_of_FoamYany at all?07:18
ChurcH_of_FoamYor you have large icons07:18
stisevnope none at all07:18
stisevin the menu itself07:18
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stisevIs there a process manager in Linux07:20
stisev(other than "top" in konsole)07:20
stisevLike taskmanager, but better in windows07:20
duendeKDE's Processtable07:20
Kamping_Kaiserctrl+alt+esc IIRC does somthying in KDE07:20
duendepress Ctrl+Esc in kde07:20
Kamping_Kaiseryeh that07:20
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stisevthat control alt esc killed konversation07:23
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Kamping_Kaiser:( sorry07:24
stisevlol np man07:24
stisevKamping_Kaiser:  it was my fault. I accidentally clicked on konv.07:24
stisevlearning experience. ;)07:24
stisevcontrol ESC did it thanks guys07:24
stisevnoted for futur reference.07:24
Kamping_Kaiser;) oh good. thanks07:24
penguinboynight guys!07:27
Kamping_Kaisernight penguinboy07:27
stisevnight penguinboy 07:27
stisevAnyone here use Wine?07:27
penguinboyparting is such sweet sorrow07:27
Kamping_Kaiser:P thanks07:27
Kamping_Kaiserstisev: not a lot07:27
stisevI'm trying to install "Admuncher" in wine.  It seems like it did something. but where would it install the program?07:28
stisevKamping_Kaiser: oh07:28
ChurcH_of_FoamYsee ya penguinboy07:28
Kamping_Kaiserstisev: ~/.wine/07:28
penguinboybye 07:28
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penguinboythanks KK07:30
monchyhahah kaiser07:30
penguinboyI always knew you swung both ways!07:30
Kamping_Kaiser;) any time :D07:30
monchyhas the whole world gone gay!07:30
penguinboythat's my theme.....any time....any where...any how...with a good looking guy!07:31
penguinboythis homo boy is going to bed...and always remeber....I am out...loud....proud....and 100%  in love with the monchmeister!07:32
Kamping_Kaisernight penguinboy07:32
Kamping_Kaiseragain ;)07:32
monchyi'll hang myself07:32
penguinboyjust don;t tellliz4rd07:32
penguinboyElvis has left the building!07:33
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liz4rdi get this error:  error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory07:38
liz4rdwhen i try open alot of programs07:38
liz4rdand synaptic says i have them...07:38
liz4rdhow do i fix this07:38
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stisevhi all07:41
stisevwhat is the "best" Ftp client for KDE07:41
stisev /linux/ubuntu07:41
kalenedraeli like using konqueror for ftp07:44
SlicerDicer-what does group uucp do?07:45
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stisevliz4rd: I'm using gftp right now07:47
stisevbut it's giving me some problems07:47
stisevSTOR /Linux Links07:47
stisev150 Opening data connection for Linux Links.07:47
stisevError: Could not read from socket: Is a directory07:47
stisevCould not download /home/stisev/Desktop/Linux Links from local filesystem07:47
stisevDisconnecting from site
stisevError: Remote site local filesystem disconnected. Will reconnect in 30 seconds07:47
stisevshit. didn't mean to paste.07:47
stisevAnyone here know how to use Samba well?07:51
stisevI just installed it07:51
stisevbut I have NO clue what I'm doing07:51
Kamping_Kaisercool. someone else with no clue07:51
stisevKamping_Kaiser: in Samba or in general?07:51
stisev(or both =p )07:51
stisevBRB have to switch to my windows box for a second. I'll be bac07:52
stisever back07:52
Kamping_Kaisersamba in this case ;) i have no problems with being a prick07:52
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stisevback on Windows now07:56
stisevkind of weird without Konversation's tabs. hehe07:56
godsmokestisev: you don't use xchat when you're on windows?08:00
stisevgodsmoke,  Xchat is nice but I've found my favorite client on Windows08:01
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stisevHydraIRC v0.3.148 (18/Jan/2005) by Dominic Clifton aka Hydra - #HydraIRC on EFNet08:01
godsmokeyuck -- it's like a full-monitor design08:02
stisevIt's truly an awesome IRC program08:02
godsmokeit's one of those guis with like all these panels everywhere08:02
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stisevyou can customize it like crazy08:02
godsmokeI'm looking at their screenshot08:02
stisevremove all the panels if you prefer08:02
stisevthe favorites options is the best08:02
godsmokeit looks overdesigned for my uses08:02
stisevand it's BLAZING fast08:02
crimsunfrankly, I think X-Chat's interface is horrible08:02
mrmanicanother case of different strokes for different folks08:02
stisevcrimsun, I like konversation on linux08:03
stisevI still haven't found some apps on Linux that I have on windows08:03
mrmaniccrimsun: what do you prefer?  EPIC?08:03
godsmokekonversation has got some good ideas -- same as kopete -- lacking on the implementation08:03
stisevAdMuncher for example.08:03
crimsunmrmanic, text-based goes to irssi, hands down08:03
godsmokestisev: uh ... what are you talking about?08:03
stisevyea irssi is nice08:03
godsmokethey're going to be DIFFERENT08:03
stisevgodsmoke, I know, but alternatives I meant08:03
crimsunI don't think I've found a gui one I can really maneuvre in08:03
godsmokeif you list the -purpose- rather than the name of the program -- people can help you find programs to meet your needs08:03
stisevit's an Ad Muncher08:04
godsmokeI'm certainly willing to help you with that08:04
godsmokeyou mean ... an ad-blocking program?08:04
stisevYea let me explain08:04
godsmokeI know what they are08:04
stisevthere's probably nothing really like it08:04
godsmokeunless this thing is speical08:04
stisevyep it is08:04
mrmanicisn't the easiest thing just to set up a comprehensive hosts file?08:04
stisevIt's very special08:04
godsmokemrmanic: oh god no ...08:04
godsmokethat's the worst way to deal with it08:04
stisevmrmanic, no way08:04
mrmanicmy hosts file is filled with things that I don't want.08:04
stisevmrmanic, AdMuncher works similar to that08:05
godsmokestisev: just explain08:05
stisevmrmanic, but it does it better08:05
stisevgodsmoke, OK08:05
stisevgodsmoke, AdMuncher runs in the background08:05
godsmokeuh huh ...08:05
stisevgodsmoke, it interacts with the browsers (FIrefox, Opera, IE, etc etc etc)08:05
stisevgodsmoke, it kills all the ads that have "ad keywords" inside of the pages08:05
stisevthe ad keywords are VERY specifically picked by ShannoW  (one of my friends08:05
godsmokewhat is an "ad keyword"08:05
stisevlet me paste one08:06
godsmokeuh ok -- I want to know what they are -- not an example of one08:06
stisevRemove links to URL: .affiliatetracking.*?08:06
stisevthat's an example.08:06
stisevthat's an ad keyword08:06
godsmokethat's regex08:06
godsmokeyou idiot :)08:06
stisevwhat's regex08:06
godsmokeregular expressions -- it's a language syntax used for searching text08:06
godsmokethis is not admuncher's thing08:06
godsmokethis is their capitalizing on an invention of years ago08:07
godsmokestupid buzzwords08:07
stisevis there a proggie that does something similar in lin?08:07
stisever linux08:07
godsmokestisev: privoxy is FAR FAR FAR more advanced than admuncher from what I can tell08:07
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godsmokeit's a proxy -- 100% customizable -- very very powerful syntax08:07
stisevgodsmoke, Privoxy? wtf?08:07
stisevI use Privoxy on my b0x08:07
stisevand tor08:07
stisevI use Tor and Privoxy, but aren't they different things?08:08
stisevthey're proxies.08:08
godsmoketor is not a proxy, really08:08
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godsmokealthough stupid people call it that08:08
stisevgodsmoke, bu t it doesn't kill ads though08:09
godsmokesince they use it for the same purposes as someone else might use a proxy for08:09
godsmoketor is a network08:09
godsmokeit's a concept, really08:09
godsmokea complicated onion-routing concept08:09
godsmokeit has nothing to do with this -- so let's leave it to a different discussion08:09
stisevgodsmoke, does it allow for anonymous browsing?08:09
godsmokeit could be used for 'anonymous' browsing, yes08:09
stisevIs it "traceable"/08:10
stisever ?08:10
godsmokebut it's not its main function by any means08:10
godsmokethat's a worthless discussion08:10
stiseveverything is traceable, right?08:10
godsmokeI said stop :)08:10
godsmokewe were talking about ad-blocking08:10
godsmokeso let's complete that discussion08:10
stisevafter that, can we continue this oen?08:10
stisever one?08:10
stisevOK. let's continue Ad-conv'08:11
stisevAny suggestions for linux?08:11
godsmokeprivoxy is not as automated as programs such as ad-muncher08:11
godsmokeyes -- PRIVOXY08:11
godsmokefor the 3rd time :)08:11
stisevOK. I don't understand08:12
godsmokewhat, specifically, is confusing you08:12
stisevIs privacy(Win32) ==== privoxy(linux)?08:12
stisever privoxy(Win32) i meant08:12
godsmokeI don't know what "privacy" for win32 is08:12
crimsunjust use privoxy on Kubuntu.08:12
godsmokeyes ...08:13
stisevThey're the same thing?08:13
godsmokeprivoxy is released for windows as well08:13
godsmokethis is not uncommon08:13
godsmokewell -- they're ports, but yes, same code base08:13
stisevI'm running it right now. How in the world does this filter ads at all?08:13
godsmoke... read the manual08:13
godsmokethis is not #privoxy08:13
godsmokeyou're asking for programs to help you do the same stuff you do in windows08:13
stisevyou're right08:13
stisevI haven't discovered the true power of Privoxy08:14
stisev"Privoxy is a web proxy with advanced filtering capabilities for protecting privacy, modifying web page"08:14
stisevgodsmoke: In that sense, it's more like Proxomitron08:14
stisev(the kind of ad filtering before AdMuncher came along08:14
godsmoketrust me -- privoxy is far more advanced than any windows ad-blocking application you can find08:15
stisevgodsmoke: probably but you should seriously check out AdMuncher08:15
stisevJust give it a looksee.08:15
godsmokeno -- I shouldn't08:15
stisevIt's catch rate is like 99%08:16
godsmokebecause I don't use windows08:16
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godsmokegood for it -- that's just a database08:16
godsmokesomeone can convert that database to privoxy with not much trouble08:16
godsmokeit's all regex08:16
stisevgodsmoke, onion routing thing. Is this the same system created by the US Navy?08:17
godsmokethe program itself has little to do with how many ads it catches08:17
stisevdo you use privoxy and tor together?08:17
godsmokeuh, no08:17
stisevbrb 5-10 min. dog needs go do business08:18
godsmokeI'm not one of these "the government is watching me, so I should use retarded round-a-bout networks to obscure a website visit from them" people08:18
mrmanicI like the idea of tor08:32
godsmokewell, the "idea of tor" is not about making anonymous internet proxies08:32
godsmokegod no08:33
mrmanicI thought that was exactly the idea of tor.08:33
godsmokethe idea of tor is creating anonymous access private networks08:33
godsmokeby "private" I mean non-internet08:33
godsmokenot, private as in, "you cannot come in"08:33
mrmanicI think we may have our wires crossed.08:35
mrmanicYou mean tor, the onion-routing tool?08:35
godsmokeit's actually a set of network tools08:35
godsmokeand a network itself08:35
mrmanicgodsmoke: right, I'll agree with you there. 08:36
godsmokehence it's nature is not to be a proxy for the internet08:36
godsmokeit's nature is to be a network08:36
godsmokeit can't be both08:36
mrmanicI disagree 08:36
godsmokeit CAN however, be a network, with proxies to the internet, which is what all the freaks will use it for08:36
stisevtor is actually pretty fast compared to other proxies08:37
godsmoketor is not a proxy08:37
stisevgodsmoke: admuncher has a builtin feature called "IP Scramble"08:37
godsmokein no way is it a proxy08:37
stisevPrivoxy is though08:38
stisevtor is just the onion routing system right?08:38
godsmokeyes, privoxy is a proxy -- hence the name08:38
godsmokeit's like saying "vpn is a proxy"08:38
mrmanicgodsmoke: ok, you win.08:38
stisevtrivial jargon :p08:38
godsmokeit's complete crap08:38
godsmokevpn is a proxy!!!08:38
stisevAd Muncher downloads a listing of proxies08:38
stisevIP Scrambler feature grabs it and for each "link" in the page, it uses a different proxy08:38
stisevthat way your usage is spread out through different proxies.08:39
godsmokeso it cycles proxies ... this is VERY easy to do08:39
stisevnice idea, but it slows down browsing a lot08:39
godsmokeI'm sure08:39
stisevbut it does it internally, in a clean easy-to-use package.08:39
godsmokeI love these crap buzzwords08:39
stisevgodsmoke, you ever use Samba?08:39
godsmokelike they invented proxies08:39
godsmokeyes ... of course -- I live in the same world you do -- where linux machines have to communicate with windows machines08:40
godsmokesamba is like part of linux 101 for the past decade08:40
stisevI just installed it and am completely clueless as to how it works.08:40
godsmoketry reading the manual08:40
stisevTrying to figure out the web site's FAQ08:40
stisev[23:39]  <godsmoke> like they invented proxies08:40
stisever nevermind that paste08:40
mrmanicgodsmoke: you seem grouchy tonight.08:40
stisevstupid copy HydraIRC08:40
stisevgrouchy ^ 5008:40
stisevhey mrmanic08:41
stisevdo you use KOffice?08:41
stisevor KDE in general?08:41
stisevWhat's the difference between KOffice & OpenOffice.08:41
mrmanicstisev: I use KDE, but not koffice08:41
stisevWhich is generally considered better?08:41
mrmanicstisev: koffice is more split out.  openoffice is generally considered better, as koffice is generally considered a less mature project.08:42
stisev584 megs08:42
stisevgood lord.08:42
mrmanicfor what?08:42
stisevThe Koffic Kubuntu live CD08:43
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stisevBRB going to linux08:43
stisevI should use virtual PC to run my Linux system on my windows system08:43
stisevI'm not sure how fast it'll be but instead of constantly dual-botting back & forth08:43
mrmaniceither that or give up windows altogether08:44
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stisevdual booting?08:44
stisevyou dual boot?08:44
stisevvirtual PC?08:44
mrmanicI haven't booted into windows in months08:44
stisevdidn't see that08:44
stisevmrmanic, there's NO way I can drp windows.08:44
mrmanicthat may be true08:44
mrmanicthat may be false.08:44
mrmanicyou never really know until you try.08:45
mrmanicthat was my experience08:45
mrmanicI still run some windows programs.08:45
mrmanicon wine08:45
stisevI can work at least 2 times faster in windows than I can in Linux08:45
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stisevWine doesn't run some of my proggies.08:45
m0ns00nstisev: Which programs are that?08:45
mrmanicand there are no suitable linux replacements?08:45
stisevI've configured my Windows for over 10 years.08:45
stisevmrmanic, well, apparently there is (Privoxy)08:45
stisevgodsmoke, wb08:46
godsmokewine is crap, honestly -- and it should be used only as a complete last resort08:46
stisevmrmanic, there are software like Sony Vegas 6 (<-- OMG awesome) and Sony Sound Forge 8  I can never give up08:46
godsmokewhat are those?08:46
mrmanicvideo editing and audio editing08:47
stisevSony Vegas 6 is a ridiculously overpriced video editing program08:47
stisevBoth are top-of-the-line in their respective categories (imo)08:47
stisevI've used all the free/paid alternatives.08:47
godsmokenot even close man08:47
godsmokeever used a $250,000 avid system?08:47
stisevAvid DVExpress?08:47
godsmokedon't talk about "top of the line"08:47
godsmokeno ...08:47
stisevWell, I sort of meant for the consumer.08:47
godsmokefinal cut, hands down08:48
godsmokehas been for years08:48
godsmokein that market08:48
mrmanicand premiere+aftereffects on windows, IMO08:48
godsmokewalk into any video shop ...08:48
godsmokeif they don't have avid -- it's final cut08:48
godsmokejust that simple08:48
stisevFinal Cut is nice.08:48
stisevpremiere? lol.08:48
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stisevVegas 6 is nicer interface ,imo.08:48
godsmokepremiere is horrible08:49
mrmanicI <3 premiere08:49
godsmokelinux is not a big video/audio editing platform ... there are some solutions -- but nothing impressive08:49
mrmanicbut I <3 aftereffects more08:49
stisevPhotoshop CS2 OWNS though08:49
mrmanicI guess premiere just what I learned.08:49
stisevgodsmoke, what about sound ediitng08:49
stisevmrmanic, hehe.08:49
godsmokeI said "audio"08:49
godsmoke<godsmoke> linux is not a big video/audio editing platform ... there are some solutions -- but nothing impressive08:49
stisevsome solutions?08:50
godsmokeyes -- there are applications -- but you won't want to use them08:50
stisevThere's a wonderful free alternative  on Windows called "Audacity"08:50
godsmokeaudacity was linux first08:50
stisevopen source IIRC08:50
godsmokeit's alright08:50
godsmokenothing too impressive08:50
stisevAh, really?08:50
godsmokeyes, of course08:50
godsmokeit's pretty basic08:51
stisevFor free, it's cool :)08:51
godsmokebut yep -- audacity is there if you want to use it08:51
stisevBRB guys. going back to linux.08:51
stisevdon't say anything08:51
mrmanicI heard ok things about kino, but I haven't used it myself.08:54
godsmokewe're not talking about video editing toys08:54
godsmokeKino is the iMovie for linux08:54
mrmanicyeah, but where's the FCP?08:54
mrmanicthere is none08:54
godsmokeif you want to do video editing in linux -- Cinerella is the only option08:54
godsmokeyes, there is08:54
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mrmanicnever heard of it08:55
godsmokecould you learn something about this before you argue it?08:55
godsmokeit's THE video editing platform for linux08:55
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godsmokeCinelerra is not for consumer use. If ease of use, simplicity, and convenience, or stylishness are your thing, you should use Virtualdub, Kino, MJPEG tools or MainActor instead.08:55
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godsmokestisev: so ...08:57
godsmokegonna go on listing your needs?08:57
stisevok 08:57
stisev*brushes teeth*08:57
stisevgodsmoke: do you use KDE?08:58
godsmokedepends on the box08:58
stisevgodsmoke:  er I meant KOffice.08:58
godsmokeyeah, the beta08:58
stisevWhich is better?08:58
stiseviyo. 08:58
stisev(in your opinion08:58
godsmokedepends on your needs08:58
godsmokeit's not about "better"08:58
stisevheh yep. I try to avoid that word.08:59
stisevIt always slips through though.08:59
godsmokekoffice is fast in kde -- the interface refresh is nice, and such08:59
godsmokeI find openoffice much more complete -- it opens and saves in more formats -- has fewer bugs -- but is large and obnoxious08:59
godsmokeI use openoffice on a dual opteron with 4 gb of ram -- so I don't really care how slow it normally is08:59
stisevgood god.09:00
godsmokebut, on slow systems, I'd opt for koffice09:00
godsmokesince it's written for kde09:00
stisevI almost went for Dual Opterons on AMD's deal.09:00
stisev1.6 P-M laptop here. 1GB RAM. 7K60 Hitachi HD. 09:00
godsmokeplenty fast09:00
godsmokeso, next question09:00
stisevgodsmoke:May I ask an OT troubleshooting q next?09:01
stisevwell, sort of OT09:01
godsmokeohh -- "off topic"09:01
godsmokesorry -- not up with the internet lingo09:01
stisevgodsmoke: I could've swore that K-menu had small icons in it09:01
godsmokeuh, go ahead -- I'll either answer it or not09:01
stisevgodsmoke: it doesn't seem to have it anymore.09:01
godsmokeyou can disable them09:01
godsmokeit's in the control center thing09:01
stisevgodsmoke: Am I, uh, hallucinating?09:01
godsmoke<godsmoke> it's in the control center thing09:02
stisevgodsmoke: Acknowledged. Let me check it out. I want to reenable it.09:02
godsmokeunder appearance prefs or something09:02
godsmokeI turn them off, because they do lots of disk lookups09:02
godsmokeespecially killer on my laptop09:02
godsmokeI like my menus to snap up immediately09:02
stisevArgh. I can't find it.09:04
godsmokelet me pull up a kde system09:04
godsmokehave to find one09:04
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stisevthanks for the help.09:04
godsmokeI'm going to be pissed when it's right there09:04
godsmokein plain sight09:04
godsmokewhich I'm 98% sure it is09:04
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quamkynaptic is a piece of shit, why doesnt kubuntu come with synaptic :p09:07
stisevquam: hi09:08
Kamping_Kaiserit doesnt start with k :)09:08
stisevquam: why is kynaptic?09:08
mrmanicquam: why don't you use kynaptic to download synaptic?09:08
godsmokequam: because kubuntu is like a few people -- they're not major developers09:08
fredriki'm having problems with the resolution of my screen, it's only 800x600. Can anyone help me?09:08
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godsmokecan't you do anything yourself?09:08
stisevgodsmoke:  ?09:09
stisevDon't tell me you found it in appearanceS?09:09
quammrmaniac: i did, i was just in the mood to bitch about something :P sorry09:10
stisevquam: heh09:10
mrmanicquam: oh ok. :)09:10
quamalso, when i open a konsole and do session >> new root shell09:10
stisevgodsmoke: next up I've got a cracker of a tech problem for you ;)09:10
quamwhen i type in my password, it doesnt work09:10
quamso i guess it doesnt use sudo09:10
quamhowever, it worked before when i installed ubuntu and then kubuntu on top of that09:11
quamso i dunno what's going on09:11
godsmokequam: what ...?09:11
mrmanicquam: sudo -i doesn't do what you want?09:11
quamim sure it will, i was just trying to use "new root shell" like i did before09:11
godsmokestisev: I have no idea where it is09:12
stisevgodsmoke: yea I can't find it either09:13
godsmokejust deal with it09:13
stisevnext up 09:13
stisevgodsmoke: I'm having problems installing a file.09:13
stisev(Enemy Territory)09:13
godsmoke"installing a file"09:13
stisevthis is what I did so far.09:13
godsmokelet's start with terminology -- you can't "install files"09:13
stisev<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">09:13
stisev<body><STRONG>chmod +x et-linux-2.60.x86.run</STRONG> (make executable)<BR/>09:13
stisev        <STRONG>sh et-linux-2.60.x86.run</STRONG> (run installer)<BR/>09:13
stisev        <BR/></body>09:13
godsmokedo NOT paste in here09:13
godsmokefind a pastebin09:14
stisevaccidentally hit it in the wrong place 09:14
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intulorsorry, server went down i guess09:15
godsmokestisev: could we speed this up?09:15
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stisevoh cool concept.09:16
stisevgodsmoke: check that09:16
godsmokeuh huh ...09:16
stisevYou want to speed this up? lol.09:16
stisev*cracks knuckles*09:16
stisevgodsmoke:  those are the steps i've done so far.09:16
godsmokegood for you09:16
stisevbut it gives me an error message.09:16
stisevstand by for the message.09:16
stisevextraction error or somethin09:17
godsmokeuh huh ...09:17
godsmokesounds like the thing is corrupt09:17
stisevevery time. I've downloaded it 3 times from 3 different places though09:17
godsmokeok -- let's see the error specifically then09:17
stisevok hre goes.09:18
stisev(not going to paste. just waiting for the message =p )09:18
stisev"Uncompressing Enemy Territory 2.60 Full Install"09:19
stisev.......... ............09:19
godsmokewell, paste it into a pastebin (the entire output)09:19
stisevAnd then "Extraction Failed"09:19
godsmokeit just sounds corrupt09:19
stisevSignal Caught. Cleaning Up.09:19
godsmokeI mean -- the thing is a shell script09:19
godsmokebut paste the entire output, including the error in a pastebin09:19
godsmokeand I'll look at it09:19
godsmokewait, does it need to be run as root?09:21
stisevI did sudo09:21
stisevI'm not sure if it needs to be09:21
godsmokeI know you did -- I'm asking if you told you to run it as root09:21
godsmokeif it told you*09:21
stisever I think it gave some error message if it I didn't.09:22
godsmokewell -- I mean ... this is obviously their installer09:22
stisevgodsmoke:  http://pastebin.com/30714909:22
stisevthat's the error without sudo09:22
godsmokeit's producing nonsense error messages -- "failed" -- woohoo09:22
godsmokeah ok -- so it did need tmp access09:22
godsmokeI wish the thing outputted a better error09:23
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stisev"You must have an account download from here" <------ fucking bullshit09:24
godsmokejust for good measure, check the md509:24
stisevI hate registering.09:24
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stisevgodsmoke: what's the easiest way to do that.09:24
godsmokeuse a torrent09:24
godsmokemd5sum NAMEOFFILE09:24
godsmokecheck it against that09:24
stisevare one-line pastes OK here?09:25
stisev2d2373f29f02e18d365d7f1860eee435  et-linux-2.60.x86.run09:25
stisevbut what's going to act as my reference MD5?09:26
godsmokeahh -- sorry09:26
godsmokethat md5 I fed you was for 2.5509:26
stisevWhere did you find that Md5?09:26
godsmokeon some forum09:27
godsmoke2d2373f29f02e18d365d7f1860eee435 09:27
godsmokethere's the right one09:27
godsmokematches just fine09:27
godsmokewell, it's not a corruption problem09:27
godsmokedo you have enough free space for this in tmp?09:27
stisevNo idea.09:27
stisevOhhhhhhh maybe09:28
stisevis there a GUI-way to check disk space09:28
godsmokejust open a terminal09:28
godsmokeand type "df"09:28
stisevdisk free :)09:28
godsmokeand paste it here09:28
stisevpaste it here?09:28
stisevI thought no pasting?09:28
godsmokeshouldn't be too long09:28
stisevFilesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on09:29
stisev/dev/hda6              2419256   2326168         0 100% /09:29
stisevtmpfs                   453328         0    453328   0% /dev/shm09:29
stisev/dev/hda7              9677928    575092   8611316   7% /home09:29
stisev/dev                   2419256   2326168         0 100% /.dev09:29
stisevnone                      5120      2836      2284  56% /dev09:29
godsmokejust don't want a lot of crap in the channel -- should be like 4 lines max09:29
stisevthat explains that.09:29
godsmokewell, you're out of disk space09:29
stisevgodsmoke:  is there any way to remedy this?09:29
godsmokeyes ... get a bigger hard drive :)09:29
stisevI've 8.6GB available to /dev/hda709:29
stisevany way to allocate some of that the temp dir09:29
godsmokethat's your home partition09:29
godsmokeno ...09:30
godsmokenot without resizing partitions09:30
stisevWell, can I do that?09:30
stisevI use Partition Magic in windows.09:30
godsmokeit's a painful process -- you never want to do it09:30
stisevin linux?09:30
godsmokeyeah, partition magic is a piece of shit -- it corrupts disks constantly09:30
stisevAlways worked fine for me :p09:30
stisev(Latest - 8 )09:31
godsmokegood for you -- I don't use it -- feel free to if you want09:31
stisevok but can you explain some things to me09:31
stisevI'm a little confused by some of the linux-jargon  that I posted above.09:31
stisevwhat _is_ /dev/hda609:31
stisevwhat does it stand for?09:31
godsmokepartition number 6 on hard drive a09:31
godsmoketemporary file system09:32
stisev dev?09:32
stisevand finally "none"?09:32
godsmokejust what it means ... none09:32
stisevargh hold on. Openoffice is frozen09:33
stisev(at startup)09:33
godsmokeanyway -- this is a serious problem:09:33
godsmoke<stisev> /dev/hda6              2419256   2326168         0 100% /09:33
godsmokeyou have absolutely no space left on your main drive09:34
godsmokeI don't know why your / partition is 2.x GB09:34
godsmokethat's insanely small09:34
godsmokeall of your installed applications have to fit in there09:34
stisevI was running off 2 consecutive hours of sleep in 2 days when I installed linux09:34
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stisevgodsmoke: recommendations?09:34
godsmokeyes ... reformat the drive -- make the partitions right09:35
stisevas I suspected.09:35
stisevhumor me: can partition magic resize them, without any care as to data corruption?09:35
godsmokeas long as partition magic supports all major linux partitions, sure09:36
godsmokeI don't keep tabs on it09:36
stisevgodsmoke:  openoffice is stuck. I'm in processtable right now, but which process is it?09:36
godsmokeopenoffice ...09:36
stisevgot it 09:36
stisevMissed it twice.09:36
buzmight also be called swriter etc09:36
stisevbuz: that's what it was IIRC09:37
stisevIIRC = 10 seconds ago09:37
stisevgodsmoke:  when partitioning for linux09:37
stisevit's a little different than windows, isn't it?09:37
godsmokesort of09:37
stisevDo I really need hda6 & 7?09:37
godsmokedepends on how you want to do things09:37
godsmokeNEED? no09:37
godsmokewell -- linux is all about control09:37
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godsmokelikewise -- you can control how your data is separated09:38
godsmokeseasoned linux users tend to be very particular about this09:38
godsmokeit prevents certain things from happening09:38
godsmoke(separating your partitions)09:38
godsmokeit's smart in many cases09:38
godsmokebut you don't NEED to09:38
godsmokeall you need is a / partition, and swap space09:38
godsmokewindows just uses the main partition and creates a swap file in it -- this is retarded09:39
stisevwhich one of the aforementioned partitions was the swap space?09:39
stisevgodsmoke:  why?09:39
godsmokebecause when your windows drive gets below a certain size -- windows can barely function09:39
stisevthat's what the purpose is then.09:39
stisevUsed (0) -- nothing has been paged.09:39
godsmokehowever ...09:39
godsmokewith a linux swap fs -- it's dedicated space09:39
godsmokethe way swap filesystems are supposed to be09:40
stisevgodsmoke: I initially installed using Ubuntu. I'm downloading Kubuntu this time.09:40
godsmokethat's why windows goes nuts when you have like 10 MB left on your drive09:40
stisevgodsmoke: yep09:40
stisevgodsmoke: well, isn't that for people who don't have enough RAM?09:40
godsmokeyes and no09:40
stisevnot enough ram = paging things to disk.09:40
godsmokevirtually everyone will use swap at some point09:41
godsmokeyes -- but, it's used for other things09:41
stisevsuch as?09:41
buzlast time my system had to swap i resetted it after 3 min of no reaction whatsoever09:41
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godsmokesuch as enemy territory extracting temporary files :)09:41
buzthe 2.6.10 vm must suck09:41
stisevhehe 09:41
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stisevDamn Linux is very cool09:41
godsmokein windows -- it just puts them in some random crap directory09:41
godsmokealso stupid09:41
stisevJust the concept is cool.09:41
stisevEverything revolves around being free and open source.09:42
stisevI love the community aspect of it.09:42
stisevgodsmoke:  are there any Adobe Photoshop CS2-type programs other than GiMP/09:42
buznot really09:42
godsmokenope -- gimp may look different -- but it's extremely powerful09:42
stisevyep it is.09:42
buzkrita maybe, but that's more in line with paintshop pro09:42
unomegimp is as good as ps09:42
buzi doubt it09:42
godsmokeit's extremely powerful09:43
godsmokebuz: it is09:43
buzits powerful09:43
buzbut it's nowhere near photoshop09:43
godsmokethat's just not true09:43
buzthen why do people spend 1000$ for photoshop?09:43
godsmokebecause they don't know any better09:43
stisevPhotoshop CS2 is insane.09:43
godsmokewhy do people spend $200 on windows?09:43
godsmokeand why do people spend $80/year on "anti-hacker" software?09:44
buzbecause linux doesn't run photoshop cs09:44
godsmokedare I continue?09:44
unomewhy people spend $3000 on computers they can build for $1000?09:44
stisevbuz: bahahaha09:44
buzreally, even the open source fans among the graphic artists all pay for photoshop09:44
stisev(I was laughing @<buz> because linux doesn't run photoshop cs)09:45
stisevNo, I agree with you though buz.09:45
buzfor my uses, krita is fine09:45
stisevAdmittedly, I haven't used GiMP extensively09:45
buzfor serious graphic works, nothing beats PS09:45
stisevbut Photoshop CS2 is unbelievably complex.09:45
stisevI've used it for 6 years and I haven't even barely scratched the surface.09:46
stisevthat's after taking three classes too09:46
godsmokeyou've used cs2 for 6 years?09:46
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stisevYou know what I meant.09:46
stisevPhotoshop in general09:46
godsmokemore questions?09:47
stisevthank jebus Opera is on linux.09:47
stisever yea i'm trying to think of what other apps I use on windows.09:47
godsmokeoh my god09:48
godsmokeopera is a pile of crap09:48
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stisevgodsmoke: oddly enough, roughly 15% of my apps are based on security/adware/Antivirus.09:48
buzyeah i dont see why anyone would use opera09:48
stisevgodsmoke: you have no taste in browsers then.09:48
godsmokesecurity, eh?09:48
godsmokeI used opera like 50 years ago09:48
stisevgodsmoke: e.g. autoruns, rootkill revealer, etc.09:48
godsmokewhen it was the only half-decent thing around09:48
stisevgodsmoke:  Opera is the best browser yet.09:48
stisevPray tell, What browser is better?09:49
stisevAnd please don't say Firefox.09:49
stisevYou're joking right?09:49
godsmokeopera is clunky as hell09:49
godsmokenot at all09:49
stisevClunky? WTF?09:49
buzopera feels like 90s software09:49
stisevYou *DO* realize you can configure virtually *every* aspect of opera's design right?09:50
godsmokestisev: do you have any more questions?09:50
godsmokeit's not a design problem09:50
stisevwhat problem is it?09:50
stisevgodsmoke: coming up. errr what other programs do I use?09:50
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godsmokethe interface is weighed down -- uses some hybrid graphics system09:50
stisevwhat do you mean by "interface"?09:50
godsmokeuh -- the ui09:50
godsmokeas in -- widgets09:51
stisevskin? general structure?09:51
stisevyou can configure all of it.09:51
godsmokeas in the graphics library09:51
stisevNo idea what the means. :(09:51
godsmokethen I can't discuss it with you09:51
godsmokesince you don't know anything about the issue09:51
buzdoes opera use some custom graphics lib?09:52
godsmokeopera uses hacked up qt09:52
buzqt still  beats firefox gtk09:52
buzbut nothign beats firefox extensions09:52
godsmokeeach browser has their strengths09:52
godsmokenothing is king here09:52
stisevfirefox extensions?09:52
stisevdon't make me laugh.09:52
godsmokeyes -- it's the most popular browser by so far09:52
stisevpopular != best09:53
godsmokethe extension list beats any other browser out there09:53
stisevFirefox extensions are the strengths and weakness of FF09:53
godsmokeright .... but popular means mucho extensionos09:53
buzand some extensions i cant live without09:53
godsmokeon with your list ...09:53
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godsmokeor I'm going to bed09:53
stisevFF has what 6% of browser marketshare?09:53
stisever ok09:53
stisevlet's see.09:53
buzunder linux its probably closer to 95%09:54
stisevI'm thinking mythodically here. down the list of apps, trying to figure out if there are any programs that I haven't found alread09:54
stisevWell, what you're favorite video/mp3 player09:54
stisevwhat are your favorite player(s)09:54
godsmokefirefox has 25.6% of the browser share as of June 200509:54
buzin the general web? i doubt it09:54
buzon geek sites, sure09:54
godsmokeIE6 is more popular -- but we don't care about people who can't use their keyboards09:54
godsmokeit ABSOLUTELY IS09:54
godsmokecheck your facts09:54
buzwe3schools is geek territory09:55
buzi doubt your mother goes there09:55
stisevFirst google result09:55
stisevgodsmoke: Opera will *always* be underrepresented.09:55
godsmokeeveryone and their mom uses firefox now09:55
godsmokeof course it will09:55
stisevI identify as IE6.09:55
godsmokebecause nobody wants to pay for a browser09:55
stisevbecause most sites break Opera.09:55
godsmokeyour list, or I'm going to bed09:56
buzas for media players, vlc, xine and mplayer09:56
godsmokeok ...09:56
godsmokewhat about them?09:56
buzthats the one i'd install :)09:56
stisevI've got mplayer09:56
stisevnot xine09:56
stisevis VLC any good?09:56
stisevOn Windows it's notoriously buggy.09:56
buznah 09:56
godsmokedude -- just tell us what you want from your media player09:57
buzit works fine on win09:57
stisevYou guys don't have Media Player Classic ported by any chance?09:57
buztho it works best on osx09:57
buzwe have better players than that09:57
godsmokejust say what you want from the media player09:57
stisevhow about this.09:57
godsmokeand stop this nonsense09:57
stisevgodsmoke:  DirectConnect client.09:57
stisevgodsmoke:  Any alternatives to OEM one?09:57
stisevOn Windows, we've got BlackClaw coding BCDC++ and OperaDC++ (Sp?)09:58
stisevare there any hacked versions of DC++ for linux yet?09:58
godsmokeoh wait -- is dc++ only windows? -- I don't keep track of this crap09:58
godsmokethere's a popular one -- let me think of it09:58
stisevI'm not sure.09:58
stisevI don't think it's win32 only.09:58
buzapt doesnt know anything about one09:58
stisevthere's LDCC09:59
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godsmokeno, there are others09:59
godsmokelet me think of the popular one09:59
stisevgodsmoke: DCQT?09:59
stisevIsn't that for Macintohs?10:00
stisever Mac10:00
godsmokenot even close10:00
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stisevEr, it does exist for mac but it's also on linux10:00
buzis DC any good?10:00
buzi think i've never used it10:00
godsmokethe protocol only belongs in colleges10:01
godsmokethere's no use for it on the internet10:01
godsmokesingle-user download?10:01
godsmokewtf is this crap?10:01
buzsingle user download?10:01
buzi'm not gonna use it then :)10:01
stisevit's not multi-user.10:01
stisevIt's very good if you have a good server.10:01
godsmokedc is for college networks10:01
buzas for colleges, one can stick to smbbrowsers to find all sortts of interesting things10:01
stisevBut it's another source.10:01
godsmokewhere speed doesn't matter10:01
stisevgodsmoke:  what's your favorite?10:01
stisevMine is eMule & BT10:02
godsmokestisev: for what?10:02
stisevUsenet rules.10:02
godsmokedepends on the object I'm looking for10:02
stisevgodsmoke: general "stuff" ;)10:02
godsmokeemule is great for rare stuff -- usenet is great for new stuff -- bittorrent is great for popular stuff10:02
buzusenet is great for FAST downloads of new stuff without the mpaa watching10:02
stisevDC++ is great for a desperate last chance to find a rare file10:02
stisevbuz:  yep. I usually max my connect there.10:03
godsmokeMB? or Mb?10:03
godsmokewhat connection is that?10:03
stisevRCN Cable Megamodem MACH1010:03
stisev100kilobytes upload.10:03
godsmokeyes, my friend is having that installed10:03
stisevgodsmoke:  where at?10:03
stisevgodsmoke:  which city?10:03
buzsheesh i want 12mbit cable10:03
stisevAh, cool.10:03
stisevgodsmoke:  No OOL?10:03
godsmokebuz: it's 10mb10:03
stisev(optimum online?)10:04
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godsmokestisev: not in nyc10:04
stisevgodsmoke:  huh?10:04
godsmokehis building is rcn10:04
stisevgodsmoke: OOL is based in NYC10:04
stisevOOL only does NYC.10:04
stisevOT: Do viruses exist on linux?10:04
buz10mb? 1.3MB is very good for 10mbit10:04
godsmokein the bronx10:04
buzstisev: not really10:04
stisevbuz: malware?10:04
godsmokenot in manhattan10:04
stisevgodsmoke: Lookout for Verizon Fiber.10:04
buzthere are a few worms around10:04
godsmokeoptimum online is nowhere in manhattan10:04
stisevgodsmoke:  $50 a month for 15Mbit (Verizon Fiber)10:04
godsmokemanhattan is time warner territory10:04
stisevgodsmoke:  hehe10:04
buzbut in general, virus writrs dont attack linux10:05
godsmokeI know whatit costs10:05
godsmokeit won't be in manhattan for years10:05
buzits kinda hard anyway10:05
stisevbuz>: o_O10:05
stisevbuz:  explain?10:05
buzread about the unix architecture10:05
godsmokeviruses have existed on linux10:05
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stisevWhat about malware?10:05
godsmokethey're generally ineffective10:05
buzhaving said that, if someone sends you an executable, you're probably don't want to run it ;)10:05
stisevadware I mean.10:05
stisevGator for windows.10:05
godsmokethat crap isn't in linux10:05
stisevthat answers that =p10:05
buzmhh not if you install stuff from the ubuntu repositories10:05
godsmokenobody uses it10:05
stisevomfg. 10:06
stisevmy download paused .3 MB away (Kubuntu)10:06
stisev583.6 ->.910:06
stisevOK done. had to resume.10:06
stisevNope HTTP10:06
stisevgodsmoke: what's the "best" ( ;) ) torrent app?10:06
godsmokethat's sorta tough10:07
buzwe generally dont like gnome here 10:07
godsmokeazureus is by far the leader in popularity10:07
stisevAzureus blows hoards of donkey balls on Windows.10:07
godsmokebut java is honestly, worse that the most horrible smelling crap on the planet10:07
stisevjava blows.10:07
godsmokeI use azureus -- but, I hate doing it10:07
stisevgodsmoke: alternatives?10:07
godsmokethere's nothing that competes in features10:07
buzjava would be a good language if it wasn't for swing, but thankfully, azureus uses SWT10:08
stisevHave you guys ever used BitComet?10:08
godsmokeit's not impressive10:08
stisevgodsmoke:  anything like it?10:08
stisevwhat are you talking about?10:08
stisevnot impressive?10:08
godsmokeyeah -- it's super-simple10:08
stisevthe feature set, obviously.10:08
godsmokeright ... if you want that -- there's plenty of options10:08
stisevbut it's the BEST hands down for CPU-hunger.10:08
stisevwell, godsmoke, what other features are there.10:09
Mace68Sorry to but in but I have a quick question...10:09
stisevMace68: please go ahead.10:09
stisevbuz:  what's up with Gnome? Why do you guys hate it?10:09
godsmokeazureus is a well-made client -- I'd love it if it were writen in a good language10:09
stisevbuz:  er dislike/not like it10:09
godsmokestisev: oh boy ...10:09
buzjava is a good language10:09
stisevgodsmoke:  ;)10:09
Mace68would this work for a nice compressed image of a disk?10:09
godsmokejava is a horrible language10:09
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Mace68dd if=/dev/zero of=/0bits bs=20M10:09
Mace68rm /0bits10:09
Mace68dd bs=900K if=/dev/hda | bzip2 -v -9 > /media/sdb1/backup/drifter/drifter.iso.bz210:09
buzever used it?10:09
godsmokein fact -- it was the first real programming I did10:10
stisevbuz: ? me?10:10
godsmokeand I hated it with a passion from day 210:10
buzthe one bad thing about it is the fact that it wants shitload of configuration10:10
stisevbuz: I've used Gnome.10:10
godsmokestisev: anyway ...10:10
buzbut the language itself is clean10:10
godsmokegnome is ... crap, in one word10:10
godsmokegtk is crap10:10
godsmokeso gnome is crap10:10
godsmokegtk is like the IE of graphics libraries10:10
buzand in extension, gimp is crap as i was saying before :)10:10
stisevIsn't GIMP GTK?10:10
godsmokeit's messy, and bad, and coded like hell10:10
godsmokestisev: sure ... everything gnome is gtk10:11
buzand qt is like the rolls royce of C++10:11
stisevWhy is GTK so bad?10:11
buzor any libs, for that matter10:11
godsmokebecause it's MESSY and SLOW10:11
buznow, C++ is a seriously fucked up language10:11
godsmokeit's horrible to code in10:11
godsmokebuz: you're treading on dangerous ground10:11
stisevbuz: why's that?10:11
stisevgodsmoke:  do you use eMule?10:12
godsmokeI don't use windows10:12
stiseveDonkey protocol.10:12
godsmokeI told you I did10:12
stisevNot which client.10:12
godsmoke<godsmoke> emule is great for rare stuff -- usenet is great for new stuff -- bittorrent is great for popular stuff10:12
buztrust me, i've written a 20K lines project in c++ once. i'm not gonna go there again10:12
stisevThat doesn't mean you did use it.10:12
stisevgodsmoke:  which client would you recommend for Linux?10:13
godsmokeheh, that's a tricky question10:13
buzbut in general, i dont like emule10:13
buzits tooooo sloooooow10:13
godsmokeit wasn't built for speed10:13
stisevbuz: true, but it's got the rarest files.10:13
godsmokeit was built for queues10:13
stisevbuz: here's a link that describes how to speed things up10:14
buzi dont use p2p anymore anyway10:14
godsmokesharedaemon is probably the most promising edonkey client for linux10:14
stisevwell, if you ever do.10:14
stisevThat's the best Guide I've seen to speed eMule up.10:14
stisevNever heard of it. O_O10:15
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godsmokewho cares?10:15
godsmokeyou haven't heard of most linux apps10:15
godsmokeit's the old lmule project10:15
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stisevAh, I use LMule right now10:15
godsmokewell ... lmule is gone10:15
stisevbut the interface is rather lacking, um, "sponk" (sp?)10:15
godsmokedone, finito10:15
stisevgodsmoke:  discontinued?10:16
godsmokelong ago10:16
godsmokesharedaemon is a complete rewrite by the lmule people10:16
stisevI'll have to try it out10:16
stiseverr now the only thing I need to do is backup my files10:16
godsmokemldonkey is more complete at this point10:16
stisevmldonkey or sharedaemon?10:16
godsmokemldonkey is the better bet now -- sharedaemon is the next hot thing10:17
stisevmldonkey. check.10:17
stisevgodsmoke: what's your recommendation for a CD-Burner.10:17
godsmokeanother annoying question :)10:17
stisevI've got a bitch-hard question after thsi one ;)10:18
godsmokeok -- cd burning sucks in linux10:18
godsmokelet's lay that out first10:18
godsmokek3b is kde-based ... pretty -- and will probably do most cd-burning thing you need10:18
godsmokeso use that first10:18
godsmokeit's pretty -- like some fancy schmancy $80 windows app10:19
godsmokesee -- pretty: http://k3b.plainblack.com/uploads/images/12/simulatingaudiocd.png10:19
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stisevwhy in the name of my sanity aren't my files copying onto my SanDisk Titanium USB flash drive.10:19
godsmokemore pretty: http://k3b.plainblack.com/uploads/images/2/datadvd.png10:20
stisevyea it is pretty10:20
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godsmokenext question ...10:20
godsmokeor was that it?10:20
godsmoke(the thumb drive)10:20
kutucapehi all10:21
stisevOk here's a cracker of a question10:21
stisevhi kutucape 10:21
stisevIs there any program on Linux that undervolts my P-M?10:21
kutucapei'm using ubuntu and download some KDE packages :D10:21
stisevkutucape: so you're using Kubuntu :p10:21
stisevRightMark CPU Utility for windows. 10:21
stisevlemme send you the link10:21
kutucapebut it runs so smooth with translucency/shadow windows10:22
godsmokeyeah -- the answer is probably not ....10:22
godsmokeit's certainly possible ... but not likely to exist10:22
godsmokeI don't know though -- I don't use centrino crap10:23
kutucapei've removed gnome stuff, just give it a try...10:23
kutucapeit so cool, like mac osx10:23
stisevCentrino crap?10:23
stisevYou've obviously no clue about laptops10:23
stisevdon't say AMD, please.10:23
stisev(NOT for laptops)10:23
godsmokeI use a p3 70010:23
stisevoh lol10:23
stisevI thought you were another AMD Mobile user.10:23
stisevgodsmoke:  any applications to display current temps?10:24
godsmokeof course10:24
godsmokehard drive?10:24
godsmokeyou have temp sensors there?10:24
stisevof course.10:24
stisevand fan sensors.10:24
godsmokeI mean ... if they're there -- you can read em, sure10:24
stisevDell Inspiron 8600c.10:24
stisevI use Samurize for windows to read 'em10:24
godsmokeI assume your book is acpi10:24
stisevthere's a plugin to read them.10:24
godsmokeso ... any program that uses acpi will do it10:24
stisevi8KFanGUI is the windows program that has the driver.10:25
stisevit's open source IIRC10:25
godsmokefor what?10:25
stisever, I think that's the correct word for it.10:25
stisevThe, er, small IO (?) driver ?10:25
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godsmokestisev: dude ... i8kfangui is a windows port of the *nix utility10:26
stisevgodsmoke: originally for linux?10:26
godsmokethe package is called i8kutils10:27
godsmokeit corresponds to a driver as well10:27
stisevhttp://www.pbus-167.com/chc.htm <------ this always seemed to be like a linux program10:27
godsmokeI don't use it10:27
stisevIt's called Centrino Hardware Control10:27
stisevah, you're right.10:27
stisevgodsmoke:  it looks a lot like KDE :P10:27
godsmokeit looks 100% like windows10:27
stisevvery fluffy :p10:27
stisevj/k =p10:28
stisevInteresting. i8Kutils.10:28
stisevgodsmoke:  you ever used VirtualPC?10:28
godsmokegod no10:28
godsmokevmware all the way10:28
stisevmy aunt's going to work for them soon, IIRC10:29
stisevthat's on windows, right?10:29
godsmokevmware ...10:29
godsmokeit's on many things10:29
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godsmokevmware is THE VM standard10:29
godsmokewindows, linux, whatever10:29
godsmokeit's better than everything else10:29
godsmokenobody can argue that10:29
stisevBetter how10:29
stisevSpeed? Compat?10:30
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godsmokebecause it is -- faster, better configuration options, more support, biggest community10:30
stisevIs it free?10:30
godsmokevirtualpc is a microsoft pet project10:30
godsmokegod no10:30
godsmokeit's nowhere near free10:30
godsmokeso what?10:30
godsmokelinux is not the same thing as free10:30
godsmokelinux is an os10:30
stisevI know.10:30
godsmokeyou can write and sell software for it10:30
godsmokevmware is like $50010:30
godsmokefor a single license10:30
godsmokebut it's well worth it10:30
stisevI'm a little confused as to which version I would one would use on Windows.10:31
stisevthe workstation? GSX server?10:31
godsmokeworkstation -- only the workstation10:31
godsmokethe servers are for massive corporation-wide vm integration10:31
stisevVMware Workstation (for Windows operating systems and Linux systems)*** Evaluate Download10:31
stisevthat one?10:31
godsmokeworkstation comes in linux and windows copies10:31
stisevI'll give it a whirl.10:32
godsmokethose are the HOST oses, obviously10:32
stisevWhat is it like, er, on windows.10:32
godsmokewhat is it like?10:32
stisevIs it like VirtualPC on windows10:32
stisevResemble it, I mean.10:32
godsmokewhat does that mean to you?10:32
stisevNo idea10:32
godsmokeI mean ... if you mean interface10:32
godsmokeI suppose it's similar, sure10:32
stisevMy openoffice seems to be stuck at startup10:32
godsmokesorry to hear that10:33
godsmokeyou using the beta?10:33
stisevNo idea10:33
godsmokeI guess not then10:33
godsmokeno, that's not the beta10:33
stisevWhatever Ubuntu installed.10:33
stisevWhat's the beta ver?10:33
godsmokethe package name is openoffice.org210:33
godsmokeit's a tad buggy sometimes10:33
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godsmokebut the features are great10:33
godsmokeit's like their version to 100% compete with MS Office 200310:34
godsmokeeven stole interface colors from it10:34
stisevcan I install it using apt-get?10:34
godsmokeapt-get install openoffice.org210:35
stisevgod I've learned so much today10:35
godsmokeyou'll want to get the kde frontend for it10:35
stisevKDE frontend?10:35
stisevgrr openoffice wont even start10:36
godsmokeopenoffice is written in gtk10:36
godsmokekde uses qt10:36
godsmokeopenoffice.org-kde has the qt version10:36
godsmokeit's a graphics library10:36
stisevQuicktime =p10:36
godsmokelike gtk is10:36
godsmokeit'll make openoffice look like the rest of kde, and the application will function smoother10:36
godsmokeanyway -- time for bed10:37
godsmokeI'm 3 hours overdue10:37
stisevgodsmoke:  last quicky question10:37
stisevvery quick10:37
stisevText editor.10:37
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godsmokewhat do you mean?10:37
godsmokebe specific about the USE10:37
stisevI need one right now because openoffice is being a shithead.10:37
stisevgodsmoke: general usage10:37
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godsmokeI use vim10:37
stisevjust to enter text to save before partitioning10:37
godsmokebut you don't want vim10:37
nikkiaevery time i reboot i have to recompile the flac plugin, makes no sense10:38
stisevwhat do I want?10:38
godsmokeprobably something like Kate10:38
godsmoke(KDE Advanced Text Editor)10:38
stisevAhhh good 'ol kate10:38
stisevgo to bed10:38
stisevthanks for everything10:38
martanyone want a realplayer 10 deb?10:39
godsmokemart: no, let realplayer crap stay on windows10:39
stisevwhy would anyone want realplayer anything?10:39
martrealplayer 10 is alright10:39
stisevthat's the stupidest thing I've heard this month.10:39
martwell it plays stuff10:39
marthave you used it?10:40
stisevUh, of course.10:40
stisevI use RealPlayer Allternative now though.10:40
stisevWhat Instant messaging clients do you guys use?10:40
martyeah, that's a lot of help on #kubuntu10:40
stisevIs that better than GAIM?10:40
martoh yeah10:41
stisevGAIM is just too fucking "big10:41
stisevI use Trillian on Win32 and I love it to death.10:41
martbig on screen, or big in memory?10:41
stisevfuck memory10:41
stisevI've got enough memory10:41
kutucapei'm downloading KDE last night, it is KDE 3.4.1?10:41
stisev3.4.1 is latest10:42
kutucapebut on help menu, it said 3.4.010:42
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kutucapemaybe i have to add /etc/apt/source.list with source on kudos.berlios.de ?10:45
kutucapethen downloading the packages again...10:46
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DuneflowerAnyone here got a moment to help out a noob?10:55
martDuneflower: always best to just ask the Q.10:56
DuneflowerAh. Alright, then: A friend of mine recommended Ubuntu, which I currently have installed. I wanna switch to K, so I tried the apt-get, but it keeps telling me the kubuntu-desktop package doesn't exist.10:57
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martDuneflower:  http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories10:58
marttry these instructions first10:58
marttry installing kubuntu-desktop after the "sudo apt-get update"10:59
DuneflowerI had a feeling that might be the problem. :P11:00
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DuneflowerThat's more like it. Thanks, and pardon my ineptitude. :P11:03
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snowmanCan anybody help me with kopete?12:03
martsnowman: 'sup?12:03
snowmanmart: It does not find my gpg keyrings?12:03
snowmanmart: In the Cryptography Plugin menu i click Select.. button for your private pgp key12:05
martand you seen your pgp key12:05
snowmanemty list12:06
martdo you need to set up kgpg?12:06
snowmanno i dont think so?12:06
martsnowman: finds mine, and they are in .gnupg12:07
snowmanmart: in your home directory12:07
snowmanmart: /home/.../.gnupg?12:07
snowmanmart:my keys are there as well12:08
snowmanmart: psi jabber client finds my keys12:09
snowmanmart: but kopete does not12:09
martsnowman: dunno, try setting up kgpg, or ask in #kopete12:10
snowmanmart: When I am running Kgpg it does not find my secret key either.12:15
snowmanmart: But in the key manager afterwards are all my keys12:16
snowmanmart: But kopete still dont find my key like kgpg12:16
snowmanmart: very wired?12:16
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martsnowman: no idea, I used kgpg to generate my key12:26
martsnowman: so no surprise that it can 'find' it12:26
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gabii have a little problem with kubuntu's session manager12:44
uniqwhat is the problem?12:45
gabiat the kubuntu session manager my monitor has only 60 Hz frequency, but after I login my monitor has 85 HZ12:46
gabii have an nvidia video card12:46
gabii have installed the driver included in kubuntu12:46
gabisudo apt-get install nvidia-glx12:47
gabisudo nvidia-glx-config enable12:47
gabilike that12:47
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nikkiai wish they wouldn't document functions that DO NOT EXIST12:48
gabiso the only problem is that during session manager screen my monitor has only 60 HZ12:49
nikkiaespecially when the function i look at first says 'don't use this, its deprecated, use <FUNCTION THAT DOES NOT EXIST> instead'12:49
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uniqgabi: try to follow http://www.sh.nu/nvidia/modeline_howto.html - gtf is included.12:49
uniqhi nikkia.12:50
nikkiait does exist12:50
nikkiathey just got the - and _ mixed up in the docs12:50
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nikkiaand i wish they'd use a proper scheme, rather than that train wreck called SIOD12:53
nikkiaguile would be a good candidate12:53
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chxI'd like to NAT , just guidedog works OK. if I run guarddog, it dies01:00
chxwhat should I enable in guarddog?01:00
nikkiaoh, and afternoon uniq01:04
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uniqhi nikkia, i'm working on getting an office close to my parents house. I need internet badly. dialup at my parents house doesn't cover my needs.01:25
nikkiaheh, dialup is terrible after decent broadband :/01:27
uniqsure is.01:27
nikkiafor that matter, its terrible after 'pretty lousy' broadband too01:27
uniqi've gotten a office with a decent connection now. just got the keys.01:27
nikkiahobbled by my own preemptive thinking01:29
nikkia'i know, lets just copy visible layers, so i can control which layers get copied across between images', 'hmm, where's the 40c and 20c images? DOH!'01:30
nikkia(i find it annoying that gimp doesn't have a 'merge this images layers into another image' function to start with...)01:30
snowmanmart: But I have to import my keys. I can not generate me new ones. Otherwise I had send all my contacts a new key01:38
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mosheanybody know where to get a working transcode package?01:56
uniqisn't it in backports? 01:56
mosheapparently not01:57
painesmoshe, http://debian.video.free.fr/ for sid and sarge01:57
painesshould work for ubuntu too01:57
mosheI should use the sid packages?01:58
moshei just added to sources.list the following:02:01
moshedeb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main02:01
mosheapt-get update and apt-get install transcode, and....02:01
mosheit fails miserably on dependencies02:01
moshewhich brings me back to square one02:03
painesdidn't excpect that02:03
moshelack of transcode is my own complaint in the week and a half of running (k)ubuntu02:04
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paineswhat do you mean by half of running ?02:04
mosheweek and a half02:05
mosheI installed kubuntu a week and a half ago02:05
painesmee too02:05
painesbought and amd64 machine on thursday and installed kubunut 6402:06
moshenow, if I could just rip dvd's like I used to, I'd be set to go.02:06
painesvery impressed02:06
painesmoshe, i see. well i just use if for a few days, but i am pretty sure that such an important package like transcode must exist for (ku)ubunut02:07
moshewell, apparently a bug was filed about this a while back but nothing has been done as of yet, apparently because it's a pita to compile.02:08
painesI see. well this morning I thought lets compile wine for amd64 which isn't possible right now.02:09
painesseems like we all have to be more patiend02:09
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xunil_i need some help... getting this error: kxdocker: error while loading shared libraries: libpng.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory02:19
xunil_but i have installed libpng302:19
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xunil_i need some help... getting this error: kxdocker: error while loading shared libraries: libpng.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory02:23
painesxunil_, ldd `which kxdocker`02:25
painesgives you a  list of the libs which are linked against kxdocker02:25
xunil_and i installed libpng302:25
xunil_any ideas?02:26
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bassehi. are there some important repositories I have to add to kubuntu?02:27
bassedefault setup doesnt seem to find scons, for example.02:27
painesxunil_, ldd `which kxdocker`02:27
painesexecute that command02:27
xunil_okey done02:28
painesnow copy paste to paste.ubunulinux.nl02:28
painesnow copy paste to paste.ubuntulinux.nl02:28
painesline 23 libpng.so.3 => not found02:30
painesnow do dpkg -L libpng3 and copy paste again please02:30
xunil_Package `libpng3' is not installed.02:32
xunil_Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,02:32
xunil_and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.02:32
paineslooks like it isn't installed02:33
platoalihttp://ubuntuguide.org/ if you are looking for some repository goo there02:35
bassehow do I add universe to my repositories?02:38
basseso docusite is not working02:38
nikkiahmmm, these annoying sshd hits i'm getting must be coming from corporate zombie PCs02:38
nikkiahad nothing over the weekend, now i have 3 of them hitting my IP02:38
xunil_aptitude install libpng3 cant find any package named libpng3 but libpng3-dev and that i have installed02:39
Poromiesbasse, you need to eiher use synaptic -> settings -> repositories or by editing /etc/apt/sources.list with your favorite editor02:40
xunil_where do i find libpng3??02:40
painesxunil_, apt-get install libpng302:40
xunil_Package `libpng3' is not installed.02:40
xunil_Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,02:40
xunil_and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.02:40
nikkialibpng3 is in multiverse02:40
Poromiesanyone have any idea when proper settings menu is implemented in Kynaptic? It lags lightyears behind the usability of Synaptic :|02:41
buzforget kynaptic for now02:41
buzits mostly useless02:41
buzeven kpackage is orders of magnitude better02:41
xunil_paines any other way to gett it?02:43
painesxunil_, install from source02:43
xunil_from where?02:43
paineslibpng must be in ubuntu02:43
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twidgetGood morning02:45
Poromieshi twidget _o/02:45
Poromiesyou made any progres with setting the sources?02:45
twidgetand Happy Independence Day for those of us in the United States of America02:45
twidgetPoromies: all done02:46
xunil_can you install debian packages?02:46
twidgetCurrent problem: no audio disc sound02:46
Poromiesxunil_: yes02:46
xunil_good :D02:47
twidgetPoromies: I can hear sound when I test it, but not from an audio CD.02:48
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painestwidget, make sure your soundcard have an audio cable connected to the cdrom drive and that the mixer settings are correct02:51
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twidgetpaines: I have an Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe motherboard with an nVida chipset. It is plugged into the stereo out (light green) jack and was working properly when this machine had Winx64 installed. Also, from the Control Center, the sound tests fine.02:54
twidgetFrom the mixer, under the Input tab, the fader under the CD has a green LED and is mid-way02:55
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painestwidget, i see. so thoretically it should work02:57
twidgetHmmm... I was hoping you'd think of something else to check. ;)02:57
painestwidget, i have the asus k8n e deluxe mainboard, it has too soundcard onboard, and I had also smoe issues.02:57
painesbut i get tired of it and plugged in my old soundblasetr live 512 value02:57
painesone of the best soundcard's for linux02:58
twidgetare there drivers, per se?02:58
paines twidget, sorry, what do you mean ?02:59
twidgetWell, Windows has you install drivers for resources such as sound cards, etc. Does Linux have anything like that?03:00
painesin general not03:01
painesbut ubunutu comes with a hardware detection and loads the drivers for you03:01
painesif you can fire up kmix03:01
twidgetI wonder if the folks at Asus might have an idea03:01
twidgetkmix up03:01
painesand change some mixer settings, you can be sure that sound is working properly by hardware03:01
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painestwidget, is your soundcrad connected to the cdrom ?03:03
paineswith an audio cable03:03
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twidgetCreative speakers with a 90 degree light green plug plugged into the light green sound jack on the motherboard03:04
twidgetI'll try the other jacks'03:05
uniqit's not the jacks he is asking about. it's inside the box.03:06
xunil_have the source for libpng now...03:06
painesuniq, :-)03:06
xunil_dont know how to compile this one..03:06
twidgetthen, yes03:06
twidgetbecause it works in Windows XP x6403:07
painestwidget, well I am pretty sure win32 can do this digitally without the analog cable I am talking about.03:07
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nomeansyesy have a problem but my english is not good 03:08
nomeansyesi cant change properties about samba sharing files03:08
nomeansyeswith kcontrol03:09
nomeansyesor sudo kcmshell fileshare03:09
nomeansyesall options are disabled03:09
nomeansyessomeone with an idea?03:09
nikkianomeansyes: give kdesu kcontrol a try03:12
nomeansyesnikkia: thx ill try now03:12
nomeansyesnikkia: all options disabled03:13
nikkiacan't test it here, as i don't have samba installed anyway03:13
nomeansyesthe same as using sudo03:13
nomeansyesthe way is good03:14
nomeansyesbut i think kcontrol us outo f order03:14
nomeansyesand i dont know another way to share files in Xwindows03:16
nikkiai just installed samba, started it, and the options enabled03:16
nikkiaare you sure you have samba installed and running ?03:16
nomeansyesi think so03:16
nikkiatry sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart03:16
nomeansyesi can see another hosts i the net03:16
nikkianomeansyes: no, that's a function of the samba *client*03:17
nikkiakubuntu doesn't install the samba server by default, from what i can see03:17
nomeansyesnikkia: sure :D03:17
nomeansyesok ok ok XD03:17
nomeansyeswhich is the package of samba server ???03:17
nikkia'samba' :P03:17
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nomeansyesthx nikkia !03:18
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snowmanmart: Do you remember me03:37
no_gatez_fangood morning03:37
snowmanmart: I am the guy problem with kopete03:37
snowmanmart: I have discoverd what was the problem03:37
snowmanmart: Are you interested in knowing it03:38
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xunil_are there any fast keyboards commands for getting shell up?03:40
painesbind a shortcut to konsole03:43
markcQt: Locales not supported on X server <- any ideas how to fix this ?03:43
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xunil_iam trying to fix this problem :"kxdocker: error while loading shared libraries: libpng.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" are libpng.so same as libpng.so.3?03:49
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bccsevery windows i open in KDE03:57
bccsit gets positioned on the top-left corner03:58
bccshow can i change that?03:58
snowmanHi, I have a question: I want to switch to Linux. What can you recommend Ubuntu or Kubuntu03:59
buzyou are aware that you're in the kubuntu channel?03:59
bccsit depends if you prefer gnome or KDE03:59
buzso the question is pretty moot ;)03:59
bccssnowman: Install ubuntu, than use synaptic to install kubuntu-desktop04:00
bccssoh you can test both GNOME e KDE, and see which one you like most04:00
bccsi prefer KDE really04:00
Poromiessnowman: those are basicly same distributions, only difference is the WindowManager.. KDE or Gnome04:01
PoromiesKDE is faster, better looking, more feature-rich and it has wider user base </end advertisment>04:01
snowmani am asking, because my first choice was ubuntu but someone told me that kde would be not fully developed04:03
snowmanso I am asking so that you can convince me that KDE is the better choice04:04
Poromieseh, realy, you can install ubuntu and then do "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" to install KDE and then try them both out04:04
nikkiagnome and KDE are just about as old as each other, so i'd say they're about equally developed04:04
bccsif you dont have any experience wich gnome neither kde, try both04:04
nikkiathe only real difference that *might* matter is that gnome is more friendly for commercial developers, so you see stuff like vmware being gtk/gnome style apps rather than Qt/KDE04:05
snowmanBut maybe you can tell me ex ante what desktop features more performance04:06
nikkiasnowman: most people say gnome, but personally, i don't think there's much in it between them, if you want high performance, or are on a slow machine, neither is ideal04:06
bccsthere're some things in KDE that i dont understand yet04:06
bccslike, why it user 300mb of my RAM, after boot04:07
PoromiesKDE has more eyecandy options, i think04:07
nikkiabccs, that's most likely either you misreading the memory usage, or image caching04:07
nikkiagnome caches images too, it just hides it all away in imlib where its not quite so noticable :)04:08
nikkiai've seen gnome squirrel away 300MB in imlib before04:08
nikkiathe basic problem is that X really isn't designed for eye candy UI04:09
snowmanis there a good dictonary out there for kubuntu04:09
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snowmanNot the standard dictionary where you can look up english words and get english explanation04:10
snowmanI mean you enter english and get language xyz04:10
nikkiasnowman: what you want is translation software, not a dictionary per se04:10
snowmannikkia: Ok, yes you are right04:11
nikkiathere is one in kdeedu, but i haven't used it in ages04:11
snowmanok, thanks04:11
snowmanAnother question:04:11
snowmanWhat is the advantage in kubuntu that you have no root user04:11
nikkiabeats me :)04:12
snowmanIt seems very strange for me in first view?04:12
nikkiasnowman: i think the basic idea is that it reduces the risk of someone doing damage without realising04:12
nikkiaie, you're less likely to login/start-X as root, you're less likely to leave a shell open as root, etc04:13
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nikkiasnowman: i suspect apple started the idea, since OS X doesn't have a root account enabled by default either, and relies upon sudo04:15
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wincidehi again. i need a good sources for kubuntu ... now i cant install webmin ... cant resolve dependences about openssl 04:55
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maltehm. i've been experiencing random crashes with several kde applications recently, and i was thinking it might be some underlying library or somesuch that causes this. konqueror crashes quite frequently, as does kaffeine - and now recently i tried rosegarden4 which has crashed 4 times in only 20 min05:08
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malteit's really annoying, but most of the time i can't reproduce the crashes05:08
malteso, anyone has a clue? :/05:09
maltei'm using (k)ubuntu hoary05:10
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twidgetHmmm, my desktop and other parts of my screen seem to go all weird now05:23
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=== qos greetz!
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twidgetKubuntu seems to be dying05:32
twidgetdistorted graphics all over my screen05:32
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qosso, does anyone know how to read icq away messages with kopete?05:34
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qosso, does anyone know how to read icq away messages with kopete05:39
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penguinboyHappy 4th to all you nerds and geeks!05:43
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penguinboyHappy 4th to all you nerds and geeks!05:56
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twidgethow do I run sndconfig from the command line?06:04
twidgetAny idea why my screen does this after some time passes? http://www.flickr.com/photos/twidget/23520828/06:06
twidgetThis is my video card: http://usa.asus.com/products/vga/en6600/overview.htm06:07
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nikkiatwidget, it happens to everyone at some point :/06:09
nikkiausually, its only when you switch between console and X 'at an unlucky time'06:10
twidgetnikkia: but does it continue happening?06:10
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nikkiatwidget, basically, X and the console doesn't seem to properly save-state between context switches, and so what seems to happen is you switch between them, and the card's registers get boffed, but since X and the console just continue blissfully unaware of any change/failure, they don't correct for the situation, sometimes remote logging in and restarting X will fix it..06:14
nikkiaand it isn't something unique to nvidia cards/chipsets, i've seen the same sort of thing from S3, ATI and nVidia chips06:15
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nikkiatwidget, the nvidia cards do have one failing that seems to trigger that situation more than any other manufacturer though06:16
nikkiathat being that the VESA stuff is *highly* destructive of the X state, basically, if you touch vesa while running X, you WILL end up with a screen of garbage sooner or later06:17
twidgetnikkia: any idea why my CDs won't play?06:17
nikkiatwidget, no idea06:17
twidgetI'm just about fed up with this06:17
GameCatFailed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz  This HTTP server has broken range support [IP: 80] 06:17
GameCatany ideas how to fix that error?06:17
GameCatI don't think it's the server - same sources fil is fine on my laptop06:18
nikkiaGameCat: try apt-get clean   perhaps ?06:19
GameCatnikkia: I will, thanks...06:19
nikkiaits probably a corrupt local copy of the packages list06:19
GameCatclean didn't help - same error06:19
GameCatcan i delete the local copies manually maybe?06:20
GameCathere goes :)06:20
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GameCathmm, same error, local caches recreated06:23
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bccsHow can i set KDE to open all windows centered?06:25
GameCatcontrol centre > desktop > window behaviour > moving tab > placement:centered06:27
GameCatsort3d :)06:27
bccsHow the "Smart" option works? because most of the Windows opens in the top-left corner06:28
markcQt: Locales not supported on X server <- any ideas how to fix this ?06:28
honGameCat: is there any way to set the placement of minicli?06:28
GameCatsmart will aim for using any free desktop space - if desktop is empty, it'll start top left06:28
GameCathon: dunno what minicli is sorry06:29
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honALT+F2 menu06:29
bccsGameCat: tks a lot06:29
GameCathon: ah so thats what that's called - no idea on that, it's not a window, it's a dialog06:29
GameCatbccs: no probs, glad to help06:29
honthanks anyway :)06:30
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froudchaps I have tried upgrading my hoary to breezy about 5 times now. each time I endup with no xserver and no kde. any clues as to what I am doing wrong06:31
GameCatfroud: not here, sorry06:31
froudhas anyone managed a dist-upgrade of kubuntu fom hoary to breezy?06:32
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yasserhow do i get on net???06:33
GameCatyasser: you are :)06:33
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GameCatyasser: you're welcome - that was easy :)06:33
yassercan some1 tell me how i can configure adsl in kubuntuPLZ06:33
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froudyasser: what type of dsl connection r u using06:34
yasserYES ethernet adsl06:35
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froudyour dsl connected directly to your ethernet card06:35
froudyou need to install and config the pppoe06:35
yasserhow do i disconnect & connect manually??06:35
froudwhy do you want to connect/disconnect06:36
froudjust stay connected06:36
shogopon poff06:36
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yasserno theres a download/upload limit06:36
frouddsl is an always on technology :-)06:36
froudhow much 3 GB06:36
yasser1 GB:(06:36
GameCatwow - thats not a lot06:36
froudouch where are you06:36
froudok so use pon and poff06:37
yasserin terminal??06:37
froudyes that is the terminal06:37
yasserok how do i go online in the first place??06:37
froudnot sure if there is a gui app for it06:37
yasserin terminal??06:38
froudwhen you do pon does it connect?06:38
frouddo pon then ping www.google.com06:38
othernoobfroud, shouldn't he configure his connection first ;)06:39
froudyasser: I am assuming you have config the connection06:39
othernoobvia pppoeconf...06:39
othernoobfroud, considering his first question I somehow doubt it06:39
froudyasser: if not do as othernoob say06:39
yasserlook i had no idea heres what i did.....when i was using mepis..it had this adsl/ppoe config app...when i clicked on it launched into a terminal with the command sudo /usr/sbin/pppoeconf i typed this now and its working06:39
yasseram i right??06:40
GameCatyes 06:40
shogono stress06:40
frouduse pppoeconf to configure the connection details06:40
yasseryes i have configured the connection....i was SO SURPRISED that i did not ave to give any info except uerid & password06:41
GameCatyasser: if pppoeconf doesn't run you may need to install it - apt-get install pppoeconf06:41
othernoobbtw, pppoeconf also tells you how to connect/disconnect manually..06:41
yasserand in XP i had to install some stupid software06:41
bccsWhy ubuntu comes with glib-1.2 and glib-2.0?06:41
yasserLINUX ROCKS!!06:41
shogoand caps suck06:42
yasseri have configured my connection using commands....just wanted to know if theres a nice gui way06:43
bccsHas anyone here installed mono in kubuntu?06:43
yasseri get an error with synaptic often...it asks me for the ubuntu hoary cd??06:43
GameCatyasser: that will depend on wether the file you asked for is on the CD or not I assume06:44
yasserok when i type poff i get this /usr/bin/poff: /bin/kill failed.  None stopped.06:44
othernoobyasser: then you're trying to install something that is on the cd. open your sources.list and place a # in front of the deb cdrom.. line06:45
othernoobif it bothers you, of course..06:45
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eolohi guys ihave an nvidia geforce fx go 5700 on my laptop and i would like to install her drivers in my kubuntu, someone feels like guiding me in the process?06:47
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_yasseranyone from india???06:48
_yasseranyone from india???06:48
GameCateolo: all I did was drop to init 3 and run "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx" but that is on a desktop machine...06:49
eolook i try, (drop to runlevel 3?)06:50
GameCatso no X server is running while the driver is installling06:50
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eoloand how do i switch to runlevel 306:52
GameCatah right06:52
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GameCatthe easiest way is to open a shell and do "sudo init 3" - but be warned, that will kill the x server and anything else you have running and drop you back to command line06:53
GameCatso save anything important first06:53
eoloi' ll be back ,hope, soon06:53
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ChurcH_of_FoamYok i have a question what are the diffrent run levels and what do they do?06:54
GameCatafaik 5 is x server gui and 3 is no x server, 6 is reboot and 0 is shut down06:55
ChurcH_of_FoamYoh ok thats simple enough06:55
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ChurcH_of_FoamYanyone know how to look at the hardware specs in kubuntu?06:59
GameCatrequirement, or what you have?07:00
ChurcH_of_FoamYor device manager?07:00
ChurcH_of_FoamYi think so07:00
ChurcH_of_FoamYthanx ^_^07:00
othernoobGameCat, are you familiar with wine?07:01
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GameCatothernoob: nope07:02
GameCatI have crossover office on here, but not the free one07:03
othernoobmeh :/  would anyone happen to know how to end wine when a game crashes/freezes and leaves a black screen?07:03
GameCatcan you do a ctrl-alt-F3 to get to another login?07:04
GameCatif so, log in and kill it that way07:04
GameCatif not, I've no idea :/07:04
othernoobi will have to try that next time, even though i hope there's no next time. in a vane attempt i tried alt f1,alt f4, ctrlaltdel, alt-tab..and of course, reset button(which was the only thing that worked)07:06
GameCatthe ctrl-alt F2 to F6 should all give you a terminal07:07
GameCatonce you kill the process, ctrl-alt-F7 will get you back to kde07:07
othernoobthanks, didnt know that :)07:07
GameCatpleasure - that isn't just kubuntu - most distros are set up that way07:08
GameCatcertainly redhat and suse and whitebox to my certain knowledge07:08
ChurcH_of_FoamYanyone here know about sound cards?07:09
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ChurcH_of_FoamYcause i have a real problem with mine07:09
GameCatoh whoops07:10
othernoobat the moment i'm trying to finally finish dune2000 lol. quit on the last level on win98, didnt run on xp, but it does on wine..not great..but it runs.07:10
GameCatI just found a reference to ubuntu runlevels and realised I gave the guy with the nvidia question the wrong info :(07:11
GameCathope he forgives me (after he figures it out!)07:11
othernooblol, what did you give him?07:11
GameCatinit 3 is the redhat runlevel for cli :)07:11
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GameCaton ubuntu the default is 2 so him doing init 3 won't do him any good :(07:12
othernoobwhat is 3 on ubuntu?07:12
eolohi gamecat07:12
GameCathey eolo - how did it go - I just realised I gave you wrong info about the runlevels - sorry m8 :(07:12
eoloi did install nvidia-glx, but now my desktop is awful07:13
GameCatdid you edit your xorg.conf?07:13
eoloi had some problems, but...07:13
eolono i didn't07:13
honI have a *little* problem, can someone test this and see if it is only mine or it is more general: Show Desktop (Alt+Ctrl+D), now go to another Desktop (Say Ctrl+F2). does it go to desktop 2 or it just undos the Show Desktop Command?07:14
eolowhat should i change07:14
GameCathang on - I'll check this time :)07:14
GameCateolo: less /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.Debian07:15
GameCatinstructions right near the top07:15
eolook thanks07:15
GameCat        Minimum requirements:07:15
GameCat        In Section "Module"07:15
GameCat           add Load "glx"07:15
GameCat           remove Load "dri"07:15
GameCat           remove Load "GLcore"07:15
GameCat        In Section "Device"07:15
GameCat           Change Driver "nv" to Driver "nvidia"07:15
GameCatthen restart x07:15
GameCatlogging out and back in is enough to do that07:15
ChurcH_of_FoamYanyone here know anything about sound cards and drivers?07:16
GameCatnot me foamy, sorry07:16
GameCatno soundcard here07:16
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isaiI just switched from ubuntu to kubuntu and would like to know how to adjust my network settings. I have a wireless card and ubuntu had a program from selecting WEP, etc. Does kubuntu have one?07:24
GameCatit's in the kde control center07:26
GameCatwhich is in the main k menu07:26
isaiOkay, I have that open, which option?07:27
GameCatno interface showing?07:27
GameCatit should show available devices, then you pick one to set up07:28
GameCatoh, and the administrator mode is sometimes awkward - you might want to try "sudo kcontrol" if it won't let you into admin mode07:29
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isaithere is nothing that says interface.07:30
isaiI just checked synaptic. I don't actually have kubuntu installed, just all the kde stuff. Do I have to install kubuntu for these programs to install?07:32
GameCatthats a kde thing, not a kubuntu thing specifically07:33
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isaiif I install kubuntu, will I still be able to use the GNOME stuff I have right now to configure my network, etc.?07:36
_johni did that07:36
_johnwith an apt-get install 07:36
_johnthen you just change your session07:36
_johnyou can use GNOME or KDE whenever you want07:36
isai_john: how do I config. my network in kubuntu? is it different from ubuntu?07:36
GameCatI have to go eat - see you later07:37
_johnwell i dont know, i just switched to KDE today07:37
_johnbut you can use all of the gnome applications07:38
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buzwhat do you need to configure wrt to you network07:38
isai_john: but is there a way that KDE does it specifically?07:38
isaibuz: WEP07:38
_johnI wouldn't exactly know. 07:38
buzmhh theres kwifimanager i think07:38
buznever used it tho07:39
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isaiim install kwifi right now...07:39
isaiarcanis: how did you change your name?07:40
arcanistherogueHey guys, why do people say KDE is so bad?  my friends are practically yelling at me for switching from GNOME...07:40
arcanistheroguesee that box to the right?07:40
arcanistheroguehighlight the name in it and type your new one07:40
arcanistherogueim sure there is an IRC command also07:40
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isaiarcan: some people don't like KDE because its not GPL completely. But I think it has more to do with aethetics.07:42
arcanistherogueheh, thast why I love it07:42
arcanistherogueI care about how things look, I have this glossy windows theme with all matching icons and stuff07:42
shogokde is not gpl ?hu07:42
arcanistheroguewhat does that do?07:42
buzwtf, kde IS completely gpl07:43
isaishogo: it has a cross license with LGPL or something like that. Please don't ask me about the specifically, I really am not an expert in that.07:43
buzand has been for a long time07:43
buzsame for qt07:43
shogoi think kde+qt are all gpl under linux07:43
buzqt4 is gonna be gpl on linux,mac, win07:44
buzqt3 is gpl on linux,mac07:44
isaiAnyways, I remember using GNOME 0.9 and 1.1, it was nice then.07:44
isaiyou could config whatever your wanted. It was especially nice with sawfish.07:44
shogoan gtk IS LGPL07:45
isaithen 2.0 came out (it took forever to come out). It was a complete dog and thats why I switched to KDE.07:45
buzbesides, who wants a stinky foot on his desktop?07:45
isaiAlso the GNOME guys have been smoking something funky.07:45
yozhey geeks.. I want to solve a little thingie in kde.. it popups thing slike "The KDE Window Manager. activate" or even "Konversation" when I use this client. Any clue what the option is to disable that?07:45
isaithey took away a lot of config stuff and came up with that horrible spatial nautilus.07:46
isaiit sucks.07:46
isaiI don't even think the gnome guys use it themselves.07:46
arcanistheroguei used nautilus <_<07:47
buznautilus is still better than that god awful osxfinder07:47
arcanistheroguebut then again ive only been using linux for about 2 months07:47
buzi honestly dont think the people who wrote osx finder used it for more than 5minutes07:47
yozisai: don't wanna bother or something though can you guys take a look at my issue?07:47
buzyoz: what exactly do the windows say07:47
arcanistherogueis it that white box?07:47
arcanistheroguethat you get when you hover07:47
arcanistherogueor is it the faded blue one in the top left07:47
isaihave you guys tried viewing CVS dirs. or SVN dirs with nautilus. the windows pop up everywhere.07:48
arcanistheroguelike you get when amaroK changes tracks07:48
yozbuz: it just inform about the aplication.. right now I get one like "Konversation (my client) and the nickname with the phrase this user wrote"07:48
isaiyoz: what program?07:48
buzactually i like that ;)07:48
buzusually you can deactivate it in the menu of the app07:48
arcanistheroguewhere is it?07:48
isaiyoz: sorry, can't helped you with that. Im using xchat.07:48
buzsometimes in the config, sometimes its called notifications where you can set all sorts of stuff07:48
buzwith konversation it lives in settings -configure notifications07:49
yozisai: it's generally.. when I minimize windows in kde I get for example "The KDE Window Manager"07:49
arcanistheroguehey, which is better, kopete or gaim?07:49
buzkopete of course07:49
yozit's not irc client related.07:49
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yozbuz: get my point?07:49
arcanistherogueoh ok07:49
buznot really07:49
isaiyoz: is it the tip of the day dialog box?07:49
buzgenerally, you can configure on per app level what dialogs it will show07:50
yozisai: when I minimize a windows for example.. it just pops up the following "The KDE Window Manager" and under it "activate" 07:50
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arcanistherogueman, kde is bueatiful07:51
buzarcanistherogue: what theme do you use07:51
buzme too07:51
isaiyoz: is kwin running?07:51
arcanistheroguewith a matching firefox theme07:51
buzmany hate it but i like it07:52
arcanistheroguei love it!07:52
arcanistherogueits the best07:52
buzit's not quite as overdone was baghira07:52
arcanistheroguei didnt see that one07:52
arcanistheroguei only saw a couple07:52
arcanistheroguelike this old school one07:52
buzlooks like osx 07:52
arcanistheroguelemme check that out07:52
buzbut metal osx is butt ugly if you ask me07:52
buzpin stripes is ok, but that metal stuff, wtf where they thinking07:53
isaithe metal stuff is for flash.07:53
arcanistherogue;_; where do i change theme again... ive been using kde for about 1 hour, i forgot...07:54
isaiat work my managers love 'flash'. even if its not usable.07:54
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yozisai: I killed it and it was a bad idea.07:54
arcanistheroguehow do i get to kcontrol?07:54
buzi usually run away from customers that want flash07:54
buzrun it :)07:54
isaiyoz: i didn't tell you to kill it.07:54
buzits also in the kmenu as control center07:54
yozisai: I know.. 8)07:55
isaiarcan: its in the K menu called 'control center'07:55
isaiyoz: do you still get the pop up?07:55
yozisai: kwin _is_ running07:56
arcanistheroguehmmm... in control center, it says my machine is i686... is that because i have a 64 bit processor?07:56
arcanistherogue</newbie question> <_<07:56
yozisai: at least "ps aux" show that07:56
isaiarcan: no, i686 is just x86 version extensions.07:57
arcanistheroguethanks alot07:57
Sonerasbtw. did you guys see the Clearlooks-DeepSky theme for GTK2? I haven'T ever really thought about this 8don't use many gtk apps - I'm a good KDE citizen =)), but wouldn't this be a good 'defaault' for those-apps-theres-no-qt-equivalent?07:57
arcanistherogueaw man, apparently I don't have baghira07:57
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arcanistheroguewtf is up with this? when im playign this one mp3 the sound stops 10 seconds in07:58
arcanistherogueonly on that one though07:58
isaiyoz: im sorry i really don't know that your problem is. You could probably get better help in #kde.07:58
buzSoneras: i just use gtk-qt to take care of that07:58
yozisai: thanks alot for you help anyway!07:58
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Sonerasbuz:: did so myself before, but there are always some elements that don't quite feel right (like tabs beeing too small for text aand such)08:00
Sonerassomehow I got hooked on this clearlooks style... strange08:00
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isaiwhere I can I find new KDE styles?08:02
othernoobkde-look.org ?08:02
penguinboygood place08:03
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McScruffdoes anyone know an app that controls cpu fan?08:03
isaiany recommednations on good styles?08:03
Sonerasdepends on your taste08:04
SonerasI'd recommend qtcurve - a very simple and elegant one08:04
arcanistheroguehey how do i move my applications to different desktops?08:04
othernoobright click->to desktop ? 08:05
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isaikubuntu comes with additional style packages called kdeartwork-style. its a good starting point for more styles.08:06
qbitMcScruff: lm_sensors has a fancontrol which can be configured with a pwmconfig script, but it is somewhat arcane and doesn't access the complete range on my system08:09
qbitMcScruff: and whether it will even work, or not, depends upon your hardware08:09
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slow-motioni have a small problem with tor under kubuntu. can someone help me with it?08:18
slow-motionJul 04 20:18:24.394 [notice]  tor_init(): Tor v0.0.9.2. This is experimental software. Do not rely on it for strong anonymity.08:19
slow-motionJul 04 20:18:24.395 [warn]  /var/lib/tor is not owned by this UID (1000). You must fix this to proceed.08:19
slow-motionJul 04 20:18:24.395 [err]  options_act(): Couldn't access/create private data directory /var/lib/tor08:19
slow-motionJul 04 20:18:24.395 [err]  init_from_config(): Acting on config options left us in a broken state. Dying.08:19
isaislow-motion: be careful not to flood.08:20
slow-motiondo i have to change the user-id to 1000 or what user-id does tor need?08:20
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slow-motionor do i need to change it to my user-id?08:23
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QueerAsFolkhey crimsun08:34
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MezRiddell, you around?08:45
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QueerAsFolkhey Mez08:47
RiddellMez: hi08:48
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godsmokeslow-motion_: where did you get that error?08:49
slow-motion_when i tried to start tor08:49
godsmoke... did you start it as root?08:49
Mezwhat are the KDE updates that have been pushed through? I've only jsdut got my computer back on the net after 4 days08:49
godsmokeMez: just look at the apt repositories ...08:50
slow-motion_i started it as a normal user08:50
godsmokelike everyone else08:50
godsmokeslow-motion_: well -- obviously it's complaining -- so start it as root08:50
Mezdamn caps08:50
slow-motion_i think i need to change the uid to my uid. but i forgot where i can find it and the command to change it.08:51
godsmokeno ...08:51
SonerasI'm not sure atm, but shouldn't tor be running as a deamon, and thus as root?08:52
godsmokeuid 1000 is the standard first user-created non-root account08:52
slow-motion_godsmoke i think it is a bad idea to start it as root.08:52
godsmokeslow-motion_: I don't know where you got that idea08:52
godsmoke/var/lib/* is not going to be owned by your user08:52
godsmokethis is a dumb discussion08:52
godsmokesudo the process08:53
godsmokeend of story08:53
godsmokeI'm sure it's right in the manual for tor as well08:53
godsmokeand you just didn't bother to read it08:53
slow-motion_but is it not to dangerous for the system, when it runs as root?08:53
godsmokeyou're not making any sense08:53
godsmokeeverything is dangerous08:54
slow-motion_i just want to start is with my user08:55
slow-motion_not as root.08:55
godsmokeit obviously needs root access -- most likely for the ports it's using08:55
slow-motion_sudo tor08:55
slow-motion_Jul 04 20:55:37.313 [notice]  tor_init(): Tor v0.0.9.2. This is experimental software. Do not rely on it for strong anonymity.08:55
slow-motion_Jul 04 20:55:37.315 [warn]  /var/lib/tor is not owned by this UID (0). You must fix this to proceed.08:55
slow-motion_Jul 04 20:55:37.315 [err]  options_act(): Couldn't access/create private data directory /var/lib/tor08:55
slow-motion_Jul 04 20:55:37.316 [err]  init_from_config(): Acting on config options left us in a broken state. Dying.08:55
slow-motion_ for you godsmoke 08:56
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godsmokewell, check who it IS owned by ...08:56
godsmokegod -- why are you even asking here?08:56
godsmokethis has nothing to do with kubuntu08:56
QueerAsFolkgodsmoke don't you think you are being a little rude08:56
godsmokeno -- I think he needs to do something on his own08:57
QueerAsFolkthis is one of those rtfm things08:57
godsmokeit's completely unrelated to kubuntu08:57
godsmokeit shouldn't even be a matter for this room08:57
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slow-motion_so godsmoke then i'm shure you can tell me where i have to ask?08:59
HiFi_dkhi.. could someone tell what version of kppp is in Kubuntu ? trying to fill a bug report, but not on the kubuntu system right now08:59
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QueerAsFolk"A person with ubuntu is open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good, for he or she has a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that he or she belongs in a greater whole."09:00
godsmokeyes -- you should A. read the tor manual, and not rely on apt setting up the application, so you think you don't have to configure anything, or do anything for yourself, B) you should go to the tor irc channel09:00
godsmoke"Drop by the #tor IRC channel at irc.oftc.net"09:00
QueerAsFolkthat is nice godsmoke 09:01
QueerAsFolkvery nice09:01
QueerAsFolkkppp version is 2.3.109:02
godsmokeHiFi_dk: for future reference: http://packages.ubuntu.com/09:03
HiFi_dkgodsmoke: ok, was trying to find that09:03
QueerAsFolkHiFi_dk: did you see that the current version of kpppp is 2.3.109:03
ChurcH_of_FoamYanyone know how to make mplayer 's video bigger09:04
godsmokeyou mean, make the window bigger?09:05
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea the video is really small09:05
godsmokeyou just drag the window corner09:05
godsmokelike with any other window09:05
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea but the image dosen't get bigger09:05
ChurcH_of_FoamYit stays the same size09:05
godsmokethat's because you didn't turn on -zoom09:05
QueerAsFolki do not think it will09:05
McScruffdoes anyone know an app to control cpu fan?09:05
godsmokeyou need to turn on software-based video zoom to do that09:06
godsmokeMcScruff: hrm ... that should all be handled by your power management system (apm, acpi, so forth)09:06
McScruffneed to find it09:06
godsmokegood -- then find it -- there are a number of systems with proprietary devices09:07
godsmokedo some googling on your laptop09:07
McScruffon my pc..09:07
godsmokeyour pc?09:07
godsmokesince when do motherboards allow fan control via software?09:07
ChurcH_of_FoamYi can't seem to find zoom in the prefrences09:07
godsmokeChameleon22: preferences?09:07
godsmokemplayer -zoom09:07
godsmokesimple as that09:07
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godsmokenot Chameleon22, ChurcH_of_FoamY*09:08
ChurcH_of_FoamYis that a command?09:08
godsmokeyes ... it's how you start mplayer09:08
godsmokethat's what you asked about -- mplayer09:08
ChurcH_of_FoamYoh ok09:08
ChurcH_of_FoamYcould not run the specified command09:08
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godsmokethen you don't have mplayer installed correctly09:09
QueerAsFolkhey hey hey kalenedrael 09:09
Poromiesgodsmoke: um my motherboard allows me to adjust fanspeeds via software, have done so since '0309:09
godsmokehow else would you start mplayer?09:09
ChurcH_of_FoamYnever mind i typed it wrong >.<09:09
godsmokeok -- well, news to me -- I never use that stuff09:09
QueerAsFolkhow can i probe my vid card to see what kind it is?09:09
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ChurcH_of_FoamYnope diden't work09:10
ChurcH_of_FoamYit dosen't start it or nothing09:10
godsmokewhat are you doing?09:10
godsmokeyou're giving me very little information09:10
QueerAsFolkjust sitting here09:10
ChurcH_of_FoamYmplayer -zoom09:10
godsmokethat was the zoom command09:10
ChurcH_of_FoamYi'm trying to open it through the console09:10
godsmokethat doesn't make it play video09:10
godsmokeyou have to tell it WHAT video you want it to play09:11
godsmokehaven't you ever used mplayer?09:11
ChurcH_of_FoamYnot like that no09:11
godsmokemplayer -zoom porn.avi09:11
godsmokethat's the only way to use mplayer09:11
godsmokeanything else is NOT mplayer09:11
godsmokeit's a front end to it09:11
godsmokewhich is a totally different application09:11
ChurcH_of_FoamYoh ok09:11
ChurcH_of_FoamYi diden't know09:11
godsmoke103 people there, ready to regurgitate information directly from the manual, just for you09:12
QueerAsFolknow now godsmoke 09:13
shogodamn loler09:13
QueerAsFolk"A person with ubuntu is open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good, for he or she has a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that he or she belongs in a greater whole."09:14
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godsmokeQueerAsFolk: good thing that isn't law09:15
godsmokeor our world would be in trouble09:16
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QueerAsFolkanyone here?09:44
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QueerAsFolkwelcome Shuddertrix 09:45
RiddellQueerAsFolk: there are people here, ask if you have questions09:47
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QueerAsFolkno question...just wanted to see if anyone was awake09:47
QueerAsFolkwasap wasap09:47
wasapi googled this and i still cant find an answer. how do i get my recycle bin to go on my desktop in kde 3.4  i dont like it on the bar09:47
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tsunammisBonjour tous le monde10:05
QueerAsFolkBonjour mes ami10:06
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tsunammiseuh je suis tout nouveau sur Kubuntu10:07
tsunammisil est vraiment sympa, mais bon quand j'essai de me connecter a msn messenger il me dit mot de passe invalide10:07
tsunammisalors que c'est le bon10:07
shogotsunammis: c'est un chan anglophone ici10:08
shogotu peux essayer sur #ubuntu-fr10:08
QueerAsFolkAccueillir  Kubuntu. 10:08
shogotsunammis: avec quel soft tu te connectes a msn ?10:09
tsunammisje suis dessus en ce moment10:09
tsunammisshogo avec Kopete je croi10:09
shogoah oui alors ils pourront pas grand chose sur #ubuntu-fr :/10:09
shogotu peux parler anglais ? tu auras plus de rponses10:09
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tsunammisou  moin que je trouve un autre log que Kopete :s10:10
shogotsunammis: quelle version de kopete ?10:10
QueerAsFolkessayer d'aller  #kopete pour rpond  mon ami10:10
tsunammisshogo Je ne sais pas du tout10:10
shogotsunammis: Aide / A propos de Kopete10:11
tsunammisQueerAsFolk Thanks you10:11
MezPlease note this is an ENGLISH channel10:11
tsunammisshogo je vais voir ca10:11
Mez#ubuntu-fr 10:11
shogoMez: please note you can be polite on irc10:12
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QueerAsFolkVous etes la plupart d'accueil.  Je susi content pour aider!10:12
tsunammisshogo v0.1010:13
Mezshogo, I'm being polite :D 10:13
shogoQueerAsFolk: your french is not so bad :)10:13
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tsunammisQueerAsFolk Yes, your french is good ;-) but my english is very bad :D10:13
QueerAsFolkmerci mes ami10:14
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tsunammisno problem10:14
QueerAsFolkMex when did they give you an op badge???10:14
seth_ktsunammis, si il n'y a personne a #ubuntu-fr, on peut essayer de vous aider ici. Je me souviens que Kopete a quelques problems quand on l'utilise avec Hoary10:15
QueerAsFolki do that all the time typing Mex for Mez10:15
Mezquite a while back QueerAsFolk 10:15
QueerAsFolki have never seen you wear it10:15
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MezI dont wear it normally ;) I was just checking something10:15
QueerAsFolkthe Mez can turn into the Mezzinator!10:16
shogomaybe an upgrade of kopete will fix the bug, anyone have experimented the bad login bug with kopete 0.10 ?10:16
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seth_kmethinks the latest breezy version fixes it10:16
seth_ki had to switch to gaim10:16
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Mezremember seth - I am the taskmaster here... not you10:17
QueerAsFolkbe careful seth10:17
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shogoso many problems with msn, why dont people just use jabber ? :/10:17
seth_kyou know it10:17
buzor icq at least10:17
tsunammisseth_k d'accord merci bien, je ne comprend pas comment installer des logiciels c'est pour cela, sinon avec Kopete je n'arrive toujours pas a me connecter10:17
MezQueerAsFolk, seth and I work together outside of Ubuntu stuff - see http://www.invisionfree.com/ for more details :D10:18
seth_ktsunammis, vous pouvez essayer d'utiliser GAIM?10:18
tsunammisil faudrait que je puisse installer un autre logiciel comme par exemple gAIM10:18
QueerAsFolkMez tyou know this is Penguinboy right?10:18
shogotsunammis: sudo apt-get install gaim10:18
seth_kMez, what's the latest version of Kopete in backports?10:19
QueerAsFolkso you provide forums?10:19
monchyinvisionfree was a good service10:19
QueerAsFolkwas not is?10:19
MezQueerAsFolk, sorry ... whats the problem with penguinboy?10:19
seth_kstill is :P10:19
tsunammisje vien de faire sudo apt-get install gaim, mais rien ne sais passs :s10:19
monchywell i haven't used it in a while, but it was good when i used it lol10:19
QueerAsFolki c10:20
shogotsunammis: parles en sur #ubuntu-fr gaim ils connaissent10:20
QueerAsFolkmonch: did you know the Mezzinator and seth the stick eating boy ran it?10:20
Mezseth it's not in backports10:20
monchynot til now lol10:20
Mezmez@apathy:/backports/tree/dists/hoary-backports-staging/universe/binary-i386$ apt-cache show kopete | grep Version10:21
MezVersion: 4:3.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary210:21
MezVersion: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu2.110:21
MezVersion: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu210:21
seth_kwe don't run it, a guy that Mez worked with back in the day does10:21
tsunammisshogo merci en faite maintenant j'arrive  l'installer, par contre je suis en train de constater que le ctrl + C (copier/coller) ne marche pas lol fort embetant10:21
Mezwe work together on it though10:22
seth_kquel horreur10:22
seth_ket vous utilisez Hoary Kubuntu?10:22
QueerAsFolkis seth the stick eating boy nice to work with?10:22
seth_k(oy, je parle trop d'espanol... j'oublie mon francais)10:23
shogoseth_k: your french is very good10:23
Mezkopete 0.10.2 = latest hoary version10:23
seth_kthankums shogo10:23
QueerAsFolkadieu mon ami10:23
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seth_ktsunammis, Kopete ne marche pas pour moi, meme en Breezy. Donc je crois qu'il faut trouver un autre logiciel. Si ctrl + C ne marche pas en Gaim... aMSN, peut-etre?10:26
seth_k(eh, il faut que vous ayez Klipper pour utiliser CTRL + C, vous savez?)10:29
tsunammisvoila je vien de reussir d'installer Gaim10:29
tsunammisnon je ne sais pas10:29
tsunammison peut ce tutoyer non ?10:29
seth_ktutoyer, ca veut dire... ?10:29
unometu aulieu de vous10:30
Mezmy head hurts10:30
seth_kgo over to #ubuntu-fr, Mez, I'll bet they speak English there :D10:30
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seth_kwrong channel, kid10:33
seth_kTux lives in #invisionfree10:33
seth_kyou're so violent to me10:34
monchyhe's just showing his affection for you :P10:34
seth_ki'm... hesitant10:34
MezSeth, you're evil - remember - you have a RED duck :D10:35
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seth_kmm, taskmaster duck10:35
monchyi'm waiting for one of you to make a typo when you say duck10:35
uniqpenguinboy: why 3 times? once should be enought.10:36
penguinboyi am not sure10:36
penguinboyi laugh a lot10:36
seth_ksave screen space, use commas10:37
penguinboyi feel that laughing is good for the soul10:37
seth_kor 12-year-old-AOLer version: lololololol10:37
uniqthen 'lol, lol, lol' would do it. 3 lines is much more noisy.10:37
penguinboyi c10:37
penguinboyi will consider it in the future10:37
penguinboynot making any promises thoughj10:37
seth_khahahaha, did you just say that to the man with the op badge?10:38
seth_kburn him!10:38
penguinboyfor what....I am entitled to my opinion...else tyranny reighns10:38
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nikkiano, better still, set fire to him, then throw rocks at him!10:38
Mez<seth_k> save screen space, use commas <-- sounds like a government slogan10:38
seth_kor if he weighs the same as a duck...10:38
Mez"Practice Safe sex, use a Virus Scanner"10:38
penguinboybuild a bridge out of him10:38
buzhe said je**** aw fuck10:38
Mezbuz, mind your language please10:39
seth_kgj penguinboy10:39
seth_k$penguinboy['cookies'] ++;10:39
penguinboyi know mon ami10:39
penguinboyi love Monty puthon10:40
seth_kso why should we cut Mez's heart out with a spoon?10:40
penguinboylol, lol, lol10:40
uniqback on topic please.10:40
Mezuniq: since when has there been a topic? :P10:40
nikkiayeah, there may be people wanting to ask where their root password is, so shhhhh10:41
seth_kkinda what I was thinking... nobody has any questions right now10:41
seth_kbut mmkay10:41
Meznikkia - #ubuntu10:41
uniqmez: well. since this is #kubuntu we don't talk about cutting peoples hearts out.10:41
penguinboyuniq this is basically what goes on here all day long,.....10:41
monchywe just sit here and idle instead10:41
kalenedraelunless someone actually has a quesion10:41
=== ..[topic/#Kubuntu:Mez] : Kubuntu help channel | Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de/ | KOffice 1.4 http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice-14.php | KDE 3.4.1 http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php/ || EVERYONE I HOPE THAT YOU HAVE A SAFE AND HAPPY 4TH OF JULY AND PARTY HARDY GUYS AND GALS!
uniqpenguinboy: that doesn't mean that is what's wanted.10:42
penguinboyand when someone has a question....we are very helpful10:42
monchy10 secons later topic is changed back10:42
Mezuniq - fair comment :D10:42
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Mezmonchy - I just corrected the typos :D10:42
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monchyoh i know, i'm just going along with the theme that nothing can change in here ;)10:42
shogowho celebrate the independance day here ?10:42
penguinboyuniq do you recommend we just sit here and stare until someone asks a question?10:42
uniqpenguinboy: yes.10:43
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penguinboyi c10:43
Meztechnically, that shouldn't be there... It's racist10:43
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penguinboyuniq you are the head op here?10:43
nikkiamez, how is it racist?10:43
uniqpenguinboy: no.10:43
penguinboyi c10:43
nikkiamez, a day celebrating a bloody war between one bunch of angry old englishmen, and another bunch of angry old englishmen, doesn't seem much to involve race, as i can see10:44
Meznikkia: If celebrating St. Georges Day in England is considered racist, then so is celebrating Independence Day :D10:44
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penguinboyWelcome bhna!10:46
penguinboypull up a chair and sit a spell10:46
Mezyou are our 1000th Customer!10:46
penguinboythrow the confetti10:46
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Mezyou dont win anything10:46
MezI just like ticker tape10:46
penguinboyjust the tickertape10:46
monchyas todays special customer, you are going to be told exactly what to say and how to think10:46
bhnahave a party?10:47
penguinboyMez a word in pc if you please?10:47
penguinboyyoo hoo....Messinator?10:48
bhnasorry, what is tickertape?10:49
penguinboysi mon ami10:49
monchyprivate chat Mez10:49
Mezgonna say, my PCs too small for 2 people to fit in10:49
penguinboyadios godsmoke10:51
monchygood riddance10:51
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penguinboyadie mon ami....its dinner time10:52
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uniqhi liz4rd.11:00
liz4rdhey man11:00
liz4rdno, i wont be stupid today :P i have a headach :(11:00
uniqgood. not the headach but that you'll be a nice boy.11:01
liz4rdyou made me feel really small right there11:01
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=== Mez pats liz4rd :D
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ilba7rany one know of a simple wyswyg webpage editor for a newbie11:08
uniq!learn WYSIWYG What You See Is What You Get11:10
kinfoInprinted WYSIWYG (memory injection successful)11:10
liz4rdanyone els notice nvu is soooo mozilla composer :P11:11
uniqi've never used it.11:12
liz4rdopen it up its exactly like nvu but composer was first11:12
nikkializ4rd: doesn't surprise me11:15
nikkialots of people miss composer11:15
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liz4rdyeah :P11:18
nikkializ4rd: also, i think this quote may go some way to explaining it:11:19
nikkiaNvu was started from the Mozilla Composer code base.  As you may have heard, the Mozilla Internet suite is in the process of being broken up into individual pieces (browser, email, etc.).  Nvu will pick up where Composer left off, adding additional features, functionality and ease of use.11:19
nikkiaso really, its not in the least bit surprising that it looks like mozilla composer, really11:19
liz4rdmmm yeah11:20
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rodolfohi, is someone using wifi?11:46
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kalenedraelneed help with something?11:47
rodolfoI have problems with the configuration11:47
liz4rdgeneraly :P11:47
kalenedraelok, what problems, specifically?11:47
kalenedraeland what wifi card are you using?11:47
rodolfoconfiguring with kcontrol does not store the values11:47
rodolfoI have centrino11:48
kalenedraelok, and the drivers, work, right?11:48
rodolfoI am connected now11:48
kalenedraeland you can't store what values?11:48
rodolfowith adsl router11:48
rodolfonot from the gui11:48
kalenedraeli just use iwconfig and dhclient (or set a static ip if i'm at home)11:49
rodolfoand dhcp does not work, the card doesn't get enabled11:49
rodolfostatic is ok11:49
kalenedraelis your router running a dhcp server?11:49
kalenedraelok, and what program are you using for dhcp on this end?11:50
rodolfoit works with win11:50
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rodolfoIm not sure...11:50
kalenedraeltry dhclient11:50
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kalenedraelit comes with kubuntu11:50
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kalenedraelor i think it did11:51
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MezRiddell, ping11:56
RiddellMez: honk11:56
MezShall I build 0.12.2 for k3b ?11:56
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MezIt's been released11:56
_rodolfook, dhclient worked11:57
MezRiddell, ping11:57
Mez*checking if auto-reply11:57
_rodolfoit has overridden the static address11:58
_rodolfocould the problem depend on kde?11:58
godsmoke_rodolfo: what problem are you having?11:58
_rodolfoI try to set the network card with kcontrol11:59
_rodolfothe wifi card11:59
kalenedraeldon't use a GUI config tool unless you have to...11:59
_rodolfoif I edit /etc/network/interfaces, then the network restarts, but the wifi does not work12:00
_rodolfoI have to reboot12:00
godsmokewell, you're going to have to be more specific than "does not work"12:00
godsmokeyou NEVER have to reboot12:00
godsmokethe only reason to reboot a linux machine is to install a new kernel12:00
_rodolfoit does not get the signal12:00
_rodolfothat sounds good...12:01
godsmokeok -- explain this slowly, one step at a time ... because "does not get the signal" doesn't mean very much -- and I can't help you12:01
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_rodolfolet's say the wifi card is up and connected...12:02
_rodolfowith a static ip12:02
godsmokeconnected, as in, authenticated with the wireless access point?12:02

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