[12:06] <closure> hi stisev 
[12:07] <stisev> Heyyas!
[12:07] <stisev> I just switched to KDE
[12:07] <stisev> from Gnome
[12:07] <stisev> I like it much better
[12:07] <stisev> It's much different than before o_O
[12:08] <closure> stisev, we think so too >8-)
[12:09] <Saithr> Hey, got a installation question here, downloaded kubuntu for the first time and burned the disk, restarted the computer and got the kubuntu installation to the first step, asked to press enter for default installation, then it all goes grey and nothing happens..... anything I am doing wrong? Installing on a laptop, aopen, fast enough, first time user of linux so trying not to get scared off here :)
[12:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[12:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um did you check the image to make shure it was ok before burning?
[12:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> if theres any glitches in the downloaded .iso it will screw up
[12:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and if that doesen't work than reset your systems bios to default or safe
[12:17] <closure> Saithr, i didn't install kubuntu from the kubuntu disc i installed from ubuntu
[12:17] <Saithr> the image was ok, hmm, I can try with the default bios
[12:17] <closure> Saithr, but i'm imagining the install is identical
[12:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea he did it right
[12:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yu gotta have ubuntu to use kubuntu effectivly i think
[12:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i would never ever give up my gedit
[12:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[12:18] <closure> ChurcH_of_FoamY, well kubuntu is just ubuntu -gnome +kde
[12:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea i know
[12:18] <closure> so i don't see why the install would be any different
[12:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but i swear on my left toe theres a diffrence between the 2
[12:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no one beleves me though
[12:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[12:19] <closure> ChurcH_of_FoamY, it does seem that way
[12:19] <closure> Saithr, i would suggest installing Ubuntu
[12:19] <Saithr> can you install with kde from the ubuntu disk?
[12:19] <Saithr> k
[12:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> if you install just kubuntu they have this bitch of a prog called kate
[12:19] <nikkia> church, which works for everyone except you :P
[12:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i can't figure it out for the life of me
[12:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[12:19] <closure> Saithr, yes after you install Ubuntu get a command line and do "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[12:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> well  i went the ubuntu way then got kubuntu desktop later
[12:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats the only way a noob like me can use it
[12:20] <closure> ChurcH_of_FoamY, i'm going to have to agree with nikkia  on this one Kate is Great
[12:20] <closure> >8-)
[12:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is to have the "easyer" gnome stuff handy
[12:20] <nikkia> closure, i never said that
[12:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i can't figure it out it was confusing to me
[12:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i mean gedit is a breeze to use
[12:20] <nikkia> i said it works, i'd take emacs over any of the 'GUI editors' evey time
[12:20] <closure> Saithr, You will also be able to run Gnome apps in KDE if you install from ubuntu
[12:21] <closure> nikkia,  you are just a nay sayer to everything i say
[12:21] <nikkia> closure, no i'm not :P
[12:21] <closure> lol
[12:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats what makes kde so great otherwize i don't think i'd use it
[12:21] <Saithr> so why do people install the kubuntu then? if you can get the best from two worlds+
[12:21] <nikkia> Saithr: you can do the opposite with kubuntu
[12:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i don't know personal prefrence i think
[12:21] <nikkia> you can 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'
[12:21] <closure> Saithr, just whatever you prefer really
[12:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> or apt get kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu
[12:22] <Saithr> hehe, cool, have no clue what I prefer now, just want to test it out
[12:22] <Saithr> about time I did
[12:22] <closure> Saithr, i removed gnome and just kept the gnomelibs
[12:22] <stisev> hey guys
[12:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea you'll have fun
[12:22] <stisev> Which question
[12:22] <closure> Saithr, well test out gnome and then try KDE
[12:22] <closure> you won't know how thankful you will be when you try KDE >8-)
[12:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea kde rocks! 
[12:23] <Saithr> hehe, I'll keep that in mind
[12:23] <closure> it's like going from a chevy to a cadillac
[12:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i like my amor pet
[12:23] <nikkia> closure, if you really want to be thankful, a minimal X+twm is the best place to start :P
[12:23] <closure> all kinds of buttons and switches
[12:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's cute
[12:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have this little kitten that runs around my screen ^_^
[12:23] <closure> nikkia, yeah but that's like a skate board to a cadillac you need to know how to drive before you get behind the wheel
[12:23] <nikkia> ChurcH_of_FoamY: 1994 called, it wants 'neko' back
[12:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_O
[12:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> neko rocks man
[12:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> or is there something better?
[12:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> now
[12:24] <stisev> OK
[12:24] <stisev> How do I change from 24 hour time to 12 hour time in KDE
[12:24] <nikkia> ChurcH_of_FoamY: umm, awor ?
[12:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is that a real app?
[12:25] <nikkia> amor, rather
[12:25] <nikkia> hmmm, could have sworn it was 'awor'
[12:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea i have amor
[12:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> well if theres something better i wanna know
[12:25] <nikkia> sure it used to be called 'a waste of resources'
[12:25] <nikkia> rather than 'misuse of resources'
[12:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i find that with linux things just keep getting better
[12:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hey i run alsorts of crap
[12:26] <nikkia> ChurcH_of_FoamY: i grew out of annoyingly distracting stuff on my desktop about 10 years ago :)
[12:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i use linux it's fun and i'm having fun
[12:26] <nikkia> unsurprisingly, with neko
[12:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i don't reallize it's even running half the time
[12:26] <closure> you know GAIM has some damn pretty icons i must say
[12:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i got used to it
[12:26] <nikkia> ChurcH_of_FoamY: when you say you're using 'neko' are you using amor to get neko ?
[12:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i also have the mouse odometer running as well
[12:26] <nikkia> amor's neko isn't quite like the original, one true neko
[12:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes amor
[12:27] <nikkia> xsnow was another good pointless waste of CPU time
[12:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have never seen the original is it better
[12:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> xsnow?
[12:27] <nikkia> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it does some things that amor's neko doesn't seem to
[12:27] <closure> ChurcH_of_FoamY, the mouse odometer?
[12:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea
[12:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's so cool
[12:27] <closure> ChurcH_of_FoamY, now that sounds exciting
[12:27] <closure> where do you find such a classy app?
[12:27] <nikkia> the whole point of neko was that it would chase your mouse pointer, and if you moved it to certain spots on the screen, it would do various things, like scratch itself, try to dig into the edge of the screen, etc
[12:28] <nikkia> amor's neko just seems to run around randomly
[12:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um go to synaptic or kynaptic and type toys
[12:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> you'll see it there
[12:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i even have a tea timer
[12:28] <closure> nikkia,  like that ePets?
[12:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and a pizza timer
[12:28] <closure> nikkia, or whatever it was called
[12:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> epets"?
[12:28] <nikkia> ChurcH_of_FoamY: xsnow was an app around the same time as neko, that would drop snowflakes from the top of the screen, they'd then fall down the screen and settle on the tops of windows in little piles of snow
[12:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh is that cute
[12:29] <nikkia> then there was xroaches, same era, little cockroachs that hid behind windows
[12:29] <closure> ChurcH_of_FoamY, yeah they had dogs and cats that would run around your desktop and eat and shit everywhere
[12:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol i want lol
[12:29] <nikkia> when you minimised a window, all the roaches would scurry around the screen until they found a new window to hide behind
[12:29] <closure> OH THAT ROCKS
[12:29] <closure> where do you get xroaches?!?!
[12:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> I WANT THAT!!!!!!!!
[12:29] <closure> there so better be a pkg for that
[12:29] <monchy> lol
[12:29] <nikkia> closure, *shrug* i haven't compiled it/used it since 1993
[12:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> where can i get those apps i want them!!!!!
[12:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[12:30] <closure> kick ass i'll bet there will be thousands of them if run it on this beast of a 450mhz laptop
[12:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[12:30] <nikkia> closure, i used to run it on a 16MHz 68k....
[12:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> where can i find those awsome programs?
[12:30] <closure> sweeeeeeeeeeet
[12:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> are they even for linux
[12:31] <closure> damn no pkg
[12:31] <nikkia> closure, they were generic X programs
[12:31] <nikkia> they ran on linux for sure
[12:31] <closure> ChurcH_of_FoamY, i'm assuming as he's saying compile and x
[12:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nice can you give links?
[12:31] <nikkia> as i ran them on my 386-40 when i first got X compiled on linux (around late 1992)
[12:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea i think so
[12:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow nice
[12:31] <nikkia> ChurcH_of_FoamY: no idea, they used to be on ftp.x.org
[12:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[12:32] <nikkia> they were never 'easy to compile' tho
[12:32] <nikkia> xsnow is still on there
[12:32] <nikkia> no sign of xroaches tho
[12:32] <closure> http://linux.maruhn.com/sec/xroach.html
[12:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm getting that
[12:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[12:33] <closure> ftp://ftp.rez-gif.supelec.fr/pub/Linux/distrib/debian/pool/main/x/xroach/xroach_4.0-8_i386.deb
[12:33] <nikkia> hold on, they may be in a ubuntu pkg already
[12:33] <closure> i don't see an ubuntu pk
[12:33] <closure> g
[12:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> omg
[12:33] <closure> i searched for xroach/es
[12:33] <nikkia> nope, thought they might be hiding in 'xamusements' or something
[12:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> theres no file there >.<
[12:34] <nikkia> debian has a 'groach' which is a gnome clone
[12:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i want xroaches lol
[12:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> does it do the same thing?
[12:35] <nikkia> there WAS a debian pkg of it
[12:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> all the links on that site are dead
[12:35] <nikkia> ChurcH_of_FoamY: no idea, probably not
[12:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[12:35] <closure> are they damnit
[12:36] <nikkia> the problem is, any debian pkg of it, is probably going to depend on Xfree libs
[12:36] <closure> os x runs x roach
[12:36] <closure> nikkia, good point damnit
[12:36] <closure> didn't think of that
[12:36] <nikkia> http://www.wlug.org.nz/xroach(1)
[12:36] <nikkia> bah, more dead links
[12:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> found groach
[12:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but no xroach
[12:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[12:39] <nikkia> well, i found the source, and it compiles 'easily' enough
[12:40] <nikkia> KDE's desktop obscures it tho
[12:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so it dosen't work?
[12:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> :(9
[12:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hey i have a chin lol
[12:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how to use this file?
[12:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> groach_0.4.0-4_alpha.deb
[12:41] <nikkia> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it probably will work, you just need to disable the background stuff
[12:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[12:41] <closure> Chameleon22, do dpkg -i <filename>
[12:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> like the background images and sutch?
[12:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> groach_0.4.0-4_alpha.deb any idea how to use this file
[12:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have never seen it before with the"alpha" in it
[12:42] <nikkia> nah, its not working
[12:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[12:42] <nikkia> kde is too in the way
[12:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i found groach
[12:43] <nikkia> heh
[12:43] <nikkia> there it goes
[12:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> where?
[12:43] <nikkia> they move so fast that you can't see them individually
[12:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i want
[12:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i can't figure out how it install this groach
[12:44] <nikkia> nah, its too fast
[12:44] <nikkia> nothing i do slows it down enough
[12:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow groach or xroach?
[12:44] <Hory> go to that folder and run the command dpkg filename.deb
[12:44] <closure> nikkia, where's the pkg?
[12:44] <Hory> replacing filename with groach_0.4..etc
[12:44] <nikkia> closure, there's not one, i compiled from source
[12:45] <closure> nikkia, where'd you find that?
[12:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can i get the link for the source?
[12:45] <nikkia> closure, sunsite
[12:45] <unome> http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/Xsnow/xsnow-1.42.tar.gz
[12:45] <unome> get snow 
[12:45] <closure> this is how we spend our sunday afternoon spawning roaches on our computers
[12:45] <nikkia> they're slow enough if you create 1000 roaches and set the speed to 0.1 pixels/sec
[12:45] <nikkia> but then it all gets flickery
[12:45] <closure> no wonder i can't relate to most people
[12:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY>  groach_0.4.0-4_alpha.deb
[12:46] <closure> ChurcH_of_FoamY,  where did you find that?
[12:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it says it's not the right type of file
[12:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[12:46] <unome> roaches can help you keeping kids away from your computer
[12:46] <closure> ChurcH_of_FoamY, yeah
[12:47] <closure> you need the i386
[12:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i lost the link X(
[12:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> damnit
[12:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no i gotta go and find that one >.<
[12:47] <closure> http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/groach/groach_0.4.0-4_i386.deb
[12:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nice
[12:48] <closure> ChurcH_of_FoamY,  then sudo dpkg -i groach
[12:48] <closure> well the full filename
[12:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> sweet ^_^
[12:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shit dependancys
[12:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[12:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is there a way to auto install the needed dependancys?
[12:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> or do i have to do them 1 buy 1
[12:50] <closure> damnit
[12:50] <closure> i don't know
[12:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> well i'll figure it out
[12:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and let you know
[12:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[12:50] <closure> i'm going to ask for a pkg on the forum
[12:51] <nikkia> grrr
[12:51] <nikkia> can't get my desktop back how it was now
[12:52] <closure> people are going to think i'm retarded
[12:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> well are you cause if not don't worry about it ^_^
[12:56] <closure> lol
[12:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[12:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> now how to run it
[12:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm
[12:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no critters yet
[12:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[12:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> where the hell are they
[12:58] <nikkia> people think i'm retarded sometimes, it vaguely annoys me
[12:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> well you know what they say 
[12:58] <nikkia> all because sometimes i have trouble making the thoughts in my head into words
[12:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> stupid people are always blissfully unaware of how dumb they really are
[12:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> -patrick star
[12:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[12:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[12:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> you know that happens to me too
[12:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i get flabberghasted
[12:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and stumble over my own speach
[01:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok groaches are sucking up assloads of cou and there not showing up >,<
[01:00] <nikkia> church, they are, just kdesktop is probably hiding them
[01:00] <nikkia> try 'killall kdesktop'
[01:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[01:00] <nikkia> you should suddenly see the X background circa 1990 :P
[01:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[01:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> they look like bats >.<
[01:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> with big eyes
[01:01] <Borg^Queen> Hey people I'm finally running a KU install
[01:02] <Borg^Queen> I'm having trouble with root access
[01:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> there congragating and plotting behind x-chat
[01:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_O
[01:02] <Borg^Queen> How do I set the root passwoard?
[01:02] <Borg^Queen> plotting?
[01:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea
[01:02] <Borg^Queen> Against me?
[01:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no
[01:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's a joke with groach
[01:02] <nikkia> actually...
[01:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[01:02] <Borg^Queen> Ah ok bacause otherwise I would have to destroy you tiny humans
[01:03] <nikkia> i can imagine cockroaches and borgs fighting to the death
[01:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmmmm 
[01:03] <Borg^Queen> I'd win
[01:03] <Borg^Queen> I have a big shoe
[01:03] <nikkia> borg, doubtful
[01:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea theyd assimilate the roaches
[01:03] <closure> nikkia, are you female?
[01:03] <Borg^Queen> two really big shoes
[01:03] <nikkia> cockroaches are scary
[01:03] <nikkia> closure, yes, why?
[01:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and then you really woulden't be able to get rid of em
[01:03] <Borg^Queen> Agreed roaches are scary
[01:03] <closure> Borg^Queen, are you female?
[01:03] <Borg^Queen> We are many things
[01:03] <closure> cause i think there's two females in here that's incredible
[01:03] <Borg^Queen> o_0 yeah why?
[01:04] <nikkia> if you want to see just how scary cockroaches are, put one in an airtight container for a couple of months
[01:04] <nikkia> they DO NOT DIE
[01:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[01:04] <closure> just suprised to see girls in the kubuntu room
[01:04] <Borg^Queen> Hmm two females is equal to 100 males
[01:04] <Borg^Queen> each
[01:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_O
[01:04] <Borg^Queen> girls? Women
[01:04] <closure> well 77 apparently
[01:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> borg or human ;P
[01:04] <Borg^Queen> Borg
[01:04] <closure> Borg^Queen, if you want to feel old that's fine
[01:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just steped on a few of them
[01:04] <Borg^Queen> I am the beginning and the end
[01:05] <closure> Borg^Queen, i try to make women feel as young as possible as age seems to insult them
[01:05] <Borg^Queen> I am the one who is many
[01:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea
[01:05] <Borg^Queen> so what about my Q?
[01:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[01:05] <Borg^Queen> LOL
[01:05] <closure> what's the scum manifesto?
[01:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok roaches must die
[01:05] <Borg^Queen> closure: you are a wise male. We shall keep you/
[01:05] <closure> roaches rock
[01:05] <nikkia> closure, a womens thing, you're not allowed
[01:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> there hiding behind the kbar now >.<
[01:05] <closure> i look up to the little guys
[01:05] <Borg^Queen> What little guys?
[01:05] <closure> i'm almost convinced they're aliens too
[01:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how to change how many there are and speed and stuff?
[01:05] <closure> roaches
[01:05] <Borg^Queen> the roaches.
[01:05] <Borg^Queen> They are
[01:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> you know it's possible
[01:06] <Borg^Queen> They come from the Roachnebula
[01:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> there borg spys O_O
[01:06] <closure> they're the oldest things on the planet and i don't see them going anywhere
[01:06] <Borg^Queen> No no
[01:06] <nikkia> ChurcH_of_FoamY: no, spiders are the only alien lifeform on this planet
[01:06] <Borg^Queen> lol
[01:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> are you shure
[01:06] <Borg^Queen> I like spiders
[01:06] <monchy> ew spiders
[01:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm so afraid of them it's not funniw
[01:06] <Borg^Queen> closure: I like you, when the world is mine...
[01:06] <nikkia> altho, i wouldn't put it past the spiders to have bio-genetically engineered the roaches
[01:06] <Borg^Queen> Your death shall be quick and painless
[01:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shivvers
[01:07] <closure> whatever you say
[01:07] <monchy> no more talk about spiders ><
[01:07] <Borg^Queen> nikkia: sssssshhhh
[01:07] <monchy> ever
[01:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> agreed
[01:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[01:07] <closure> cause it's slow and tedious with copius ammounts of booze and cigarettes
[01:07] <nikkia> scars
[01:07] <Borg^Queen> Why are telling these insignificant humans the plan?
[01:07] <closure> at this point at least
[01:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shivvers again
[01:08] <closure> widows venom eats your flesh right?
[01:08] <nikkia> closure, no, that's recluses
[01:08] <closure> what do widows do?
[01:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_o
[01:08] <nikkia> closure, widow venom CAN eat flesh, but its rare
[01:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> fuck no
[01:08] <nikkia> closure, just a neuro-toxin, mostly
[01:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> get them the hell outta here
[01:08] <Borg^Queen> LOL too late
[01:08] <Borg^Queen> look out your window
[01:08] <closure> i'm from the south and recluses are everywhere here apparently i'm so scared i'm going to wake up missing a finger or a chunk of my leg
[01:08] <nikkia> closure, the bite zone gets swollen, and red, though
[01:09] <closure> nasty
[01:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok enough talk about spyders
[01:09] <Borg^Queen> so about the sudo thing?
[01:09] <closure> yeah really i'm barefoot right now and it's starting to freak me out
[01:09] <nikkia> closure, the thing you notice most about a widow bite, is that 'omg, i don't remember breaking my arm' feeling
[01:09] <Borg^Queen> closure: don't look down. and don't move
[01:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i can handel giant madagascarian millipedes but not spyders
[01:09] <closure> screw that
[01:09] <closure> Borg^Queen,  i'm not lol
[01:09] <nikkia> ChurcH_of_FoamY: ewww, millipedes, NO
[01:09] <Borg^Queen> don't move
[01:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea there awsoem
[01:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> there an inch in diamerter
[01:10] <Borg^Queen> I like millipedes
[01:10] <closure> Borg^Queen,  it's not a bee it's a spider
[01:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and 2 feet long
[01:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and eat dead things
[01:10] <monchy> aren't the millipedes the things and can bore into your brain thru your ear?
[01:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> like lettece and body hair
[01:10] <Borg^Queen> nikkia: millipedes are great with jam
[01:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i wish
[01:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'd probibly be more enviromentally consious
[01:10] <closure> ChurcH_of_FoamY, wtf are you talking about that's lettuce and body hair?
[01:10] <Borg^Queen> monchy: you're thinking of an earwig
[01:10] <nikkia> millipedes make me physically sick
[01:10] <monchy> thats it
[01:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> giant madagascarian millipedes
[01:10] <nikkia> monchy, and its an urban legend :P
[01:11] <Borg^Queen> monchy: don't look over your shoulder
[01:11] <closure> OHHHHHHHHHH YEAH i saw those at this reptile shop
[01:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> they eat rotting lettus and like body hair too
[01:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i used to let them climb on my arm
[01:11] <Borg^Queen> what does?
[01:11] <closure> f that
[01:11] <Borg^Queen> Are you guys talking about my x husband?
[01:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> weard feeling thousands of sharp pointy legs
[01:11] <monchy> so they can't bore into your brain lol
[01:11] <closure> why would you want them to eat your body hair
[01:11] <monchy> whew
[01:11] <closure> Borg^Queen, of course
[01:11] <Borg^Queen> thought so
[01:11] <Borg^Queen> soooo hellppppp! 
[01:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> they crawl on your arm when ya let them
[01:11] <Borg^Queen> How do I set the root password?
[01:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and kinda graze on the hair cause it's dead
[01:12] <nikkia> borg, sudo passwd
[01:12] <Borg^Queen> thanks
[01:12] <nikkia> borg, but do you *reall* want to?
[01:12] <nikkia> there's no real need
[01:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> really weard though
[01:12] <closure> Borg^Queen, it's your password
[01:12] <nikkia> sudo/kdesu is all you need
[01:12] <nikkia> there are a handful of obscure apps that rely on a root password, but not many
[01:12] <Borg^Queen> thanks
[01:13] <closure> man i love tasting beer when i burp and i haven't had one in like 15 hours
[01:13] <Borg^Queen> closure: It didn't work so I needed to add a root passwd
[01:13] <closure> Borg^Queen, oh
[01:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> gross
[01:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats nasty
[01:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[01:14] <Borg^Queen> what's nasty
[01:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> sips bacardy 151 from the bottle
[01:14] <Borg^Queen> Oh eeww
[01:14] <closure> ChurcH_of_FoamY, i guess but it's better than eating body hair >8-P
[01:14] <Borg^Queen> Beer: recycled urine
[01:14] <closure> f that!
[01:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea true
[01:14] <closure> i shot 151 once
[01:14] <closure> i was like 'that was just stupid'
[01:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it must be something they like for some reason
[01:14] <closure> i also shot golden grain once when i was 15
[01:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea it herts after a while
[01:14] <closure> my throat closed up
[01:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i like graves grain
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that stuff will kill you 
[01:15] <closure> hell yeah it will
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> if your not carefull
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but then again i have some home brew thats 200% 
[01:15] <closure> there's  big damn warning on the bottle saying "DANGER"
[01:15] <closure> you can't have 200%
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it'll put hair on you chest even if your a girl
[01:15] <closure> 100%
[01:15] <closure> 200 proof
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes you can
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok 100 proof then lol
[01:16] <Borg^Queen> yuck
[01:16] <closure> 1% == 2 proof
[01:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's a recepe for berry wine
[01:16] <Borg^Queen> humans
[01:16] <closure> so 200 proof would be 100% alcohol
[01:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> after you make it you scrape the berrys of with a sive
[01:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and put them on ice cream or pancakes
[01:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it damn good
[01:16] <closure> and 100% alcohol is clear
[01:16] <Borg^Queen> I'm so lost
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> most of it is
[01:17] <closure> 100 proof would make more sense
[01:17] <monchy> moonshine!
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but theres a layer of berrys on the top of the stuff i male
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> make
[01:17] <closure> no wine is going to be 100% alcohol
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> you wanna bet
[01:17] <closure> monchy, i did mention i was in the south >8-)
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> this stuff will drop you
[01:17] <closure> ChurcH_of_FoamY, you can't have 100% alcohol wine
[01:17] <closure> it doesn't work taht way
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea and this stuffs from france
[01:17] <closure> 100% alcohol is just that pure alcohol
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's been in my family for a long time
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i swear it's a 100 proof
[01:18] <closure> you can have 100 proof but it wouldn't be considered wine
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it hert if you take a shot
[01:18] <closure> yeah 100 proof isn't 100 percent
[01:18] <closure> it's 50 percent
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok i see 
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm still learning about makeing it
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have a batch now brewing
[01:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> started it last december
[01:19] <closure> making wine is a neat hobby
[01:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm waiting till new years to pop the kask open
[01:19] <closure> and if you do it right and make a tastey batch the ladies will love you for it
[01:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea lol
[01:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the berrys are the best part
[01:20] <Borg^Queen> you know what
[01:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the fermentation turns them into a liqure like syrup some how
[01:20] <closure> Borg^Queen, ?
[01:20] <Borg^Queen> This kubuntu works great out of the disc
[01:20] <closure> Borg^Queen, indeed i was quite impressed when i discovered ubuntu
[01:20] <Borg^Queen> I spent hours setting up Sarge only to update and have it screw up
[01:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i perfer to apt-get the kubuntu
[01:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> from gnome
[01:20] <closure> and quite proud nobody told me about it i just found it >8-)
[01:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nice
[01:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i had to be led to it >.<
[01:21] <Borg^Queen> I spent 15 months looking for an honorable replacement to RedHat 9
[01:21] <Borg^Queen> I'm an idealist.
[01:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> diden't even know it existed untill a few monthes ago
[01:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[01:21] <Borg^Queen> I know sounds stupid but
[01:21] <ookii> anyone know  how to unrar something in kubuntu?
[01:21] <closure> i don't remember how i found it i think i just looked on some distro site and stumbled onto it
[01:21] <closure> i was using knoppix before
[01:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> cool
[01:21] <Borg^Queen> ookii: you can right click on it in Konq
[01:21] <closure> i have slackware running on a couple 100mhz machines
[01:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i switched from windows to ubuntu
[01:21] <Borg^Queen> blindow?
[01:22] <closure> but i've never got far enough into slack to run x
[01:22] <Borg^Queen> Nor did I
[01:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just use ubuntu/kubuntu
[01:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and nothing else it's the best distro in my opinion out there
[01:22] <Borg^Queen> I have used ubuntu, kubuntu and debian
[01:22] <Borg^Queen> and RH
[01:22] <Borg^Queen> and FC3
[01:23] <Borg^Queen> I have tested over 64 distros in the last 15 months
[01:23] <Borg^Queen> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I agree
[01:23] <unome> wrote any reviews?
[01:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i think i'm just gonna stay with this one
[01:23] <Borg^Queen> Although there's a up and coming distro.... 
[01:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes i have
[01:23] <Borg^Queen> Ark Linux
[01:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i tested it as my only os for three monthes
[01:23] <Borg^Queen> unome:  I?
[01:23] <unome> yes
[01:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and gave it a awsome review
[01:23] <Borg^Queen> Not yet
[01:24] <unome> you should.
[01:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> gentoo on the other hand
[01:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[01:24] <Borg^Queen> When I finally settle on a company distro I will
[01:24] <Borg^Queen> Gentoo is good but hardcore
[01:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes it is
[01:24] <Borg^Queen> far too hard to install for the average user
[01:24] <closure> Borg^Queen, what's ark linux?
[01:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> very hard to use core
[01:24] <Borg^Queen> Ark Linux is a great little distro with a great deal of potential
[01:24] <closure> what's the idea?
[01:25] <Borg^Queen> Currently working on a better installer
[01:25] <Borg^Queen> Similar to Kubuntu
[01:25] <closure> i got my eye on PCBSD
[01:25] <Borg^Queen> An out of the disc usable distro
[01:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i herd of this thing called reactos
[01:25] <closure> i'm about to burn ths disc in a minute
[01:25] <unome> wait until you see breezy :D
[01:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thought it was kinda neat though it can't do anything right now
[01:25] <closure> and if i feel real ballsy i'm wiping this one and installin PCBSD
[01:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> PCBSD??
[01:25] <closure> unome, what's breezy going to do that this one doesn't?
[01:26] <closure> www.pcbsd.org
[01:26] <closure> it's the same concept as ubuntu but it's based on FreeBSD
[01:26] <closure> BSD is unix
[01:26] <Borg^Queen> breezy is the new version?
[01:26] <unome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBadger
[01:26] <closure> linux is a spin off
[01:26] <Borg^Queen> BSD is not unix
[01:26] <closure> many of the uber dorks say linux is for kids and bsd is key
[01:26] <Borg^Queen> Berkely Software Developement
[01:27] <closure> right
[01:27] <closure> BSD is what people refer to as unix
[01:27] <closure> as i understand it at least
[01:27] <unome> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[01:27] <unome> forget the first one.
[01:27] <`crimsun> most people who are zealots one way or the other just lack the wisdom to see the other's place
[01:28] <`crimsun> nothing exists in a vacuum
[01:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> looks like kde
[01:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so um what is it built on? gnome what?
[01:29] <nikkia> borg, it is, sort of
[01:30] <Borg^Queen> sort of in that it functions the same way
[01:30] <Borg^Queen> but completely different kernel
[01:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> huh...neat
[01:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i like the way it looks
[01:30] <nikkia> no, its a bit deeper than that, borg
[01:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is it updated often?
[01:31] <Borg^Queen> I can't find any packages like apollon
[01:31] <Borg^Queen> what do I need to do to get a large package list
[01:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how do iturn the desktop background back on
[01:32] <Borg^Queen> For example I'm looking for kwikdisk too
[01:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that roaches program is dead now
[01:32] <nikkia> borg, BSD was originally based on v6, and v7, UNIX source code
[01:32] <Borg^Queen> right click on the desktop and choose config desktop
[01:32] <closure> alright
[01:32] <Borg^Queen> Ah
[01:33] <closure> i'll bbl guys
[01:33] <closure> ya'll have a good one
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nope cause i killed it >.<
[01:33] <nikkia> now, it has since dropped all of that code, afaik, but the fact remains that it was originally a UNIX derivative, and just rewriting the code to do the same thing but with new code still keeps it 'sort of UNIX' IMO
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just have the kbar 
[01:33] <Borg^Queen> you killed your gui?
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> most of it
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> to run groaches
[01:33] <nikkia> it gets even more complicate when you bear in mind that UNIX adopted the BSD socket system
[01:33] <Borg^Queen> what do you want to startup?
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> which went way to fast
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the background lol
[01:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i typed in a command and it killed it so i could see the roaches
[01:34] <nikkia> ChurcH_of_FoamY: hit ALT-F2, type kdesktop, hit enter, wait a second :)
[01:34] <Borg^Queen> what do I need to do to get a large package list
[01:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^ thanx nikkia
[01:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i think i'll stick to my neko
[01:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's so much cuter
[01:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and dosen't hide behind windows
[01:37] <Borg^Queen> ChurcH_of_FoamY: the roaches are looking at you from under the bed.
[01:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> cool let them stay there till i turn out the lights and put on my night vision goggles
[01:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have a nifty electric fly swatter i benn wanting to try ^_^
[01:38] <Borg^Queen> They have night vision too
[01:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> well duh there roaches lol
[01:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> brb
[01:40] <stisev> Hi all
[01:40] <Borg^Queen> what package does kwikdisk come in and how to I expand my package list
[01:40] <Borg^Queen> hi
[01:41] <stisev> I'm loving Kubuntu!
[01:41] <Borg^Queen> lol
[01:41] <crimsun> stisev, great
[01:41] <Borg^Queen> good
[01:41] <stisev> Gnome was alright but I fancy KDE much more
[01:41] <Borg^Queen> Aye
[01:41] <stisev> Hi Borg^Queen. :)
[01:42] <stisev> Borg^Queen: How do you change the from 24hr -> 12 hour mode
[01:42] <stisev> I swear I changed it in the config panel, but KDE refuses to do it.
[01:42] <Borg^Queen> right click on the clock
[01:42] <stisev> Yep
[01:42] <Borg^Queen> adjust time and day if I remember
[01:43] <Borg^Queen> Nope
[01:43] <Borg^Queen> date and time format
[01:43] <stisev> Borg^Queen: Yep
[01:43] <stisev> Time & Dates
[01:44] <Borg^Queen> hmm the options are different here
[01:44] <stisev> o_O
[01:45] <stisev> second question: I deleted my KMenu accidentally
[01:45] <Borg^Queen> I don't get it
[01:45] <Borg^Queen> right click on the taskbar
[01:45] <stisev> I recreated it, but I can't get it to move all the way to the left side
[01:45] <stisev> (where it used to be0
[01:45] <Borg^Queen> go to add applet kmenu
[01:45] <Borg^Queen> oh r
[01:45] <Borg^Queen> right click on it and choose move
[01:46] <stisev> omg
[01:46] <stisev> lol
[01:46] <stisev> (sorry for saying lol, but still)
[01:46] <Borg^Queen> You owe me chocolate
[01:46] <stisev> that deserved a lol. :p
[01:46] <stisev> Borg^Queen: PM ok?
[01:47] <Borg^Queen> PM?
[01:47] <Borg^Queen> Now I want it now
[01:47] <Borg^Queen> :D
[01:47] <stisev> (Private Message)
[01:47] <Borg^Queen> I know but why?
[01:47] <stisev> So I don't flood the channel with chatter
[01:47] <monchy> you probably just excited alot of guys borg lol
[01:47] <stisev> lol
[01:47] <Borg^Queen> Who me?
[01:47] <stisev> I just installed (I think) Wine
[01:47] <Borg^Queen> I'm fugly
[01:48] <crimsun> no, you're "Borg^Queen" 
[01:49] <crimsun> hi, I have hepatitis C
[01:49] <Borg^Queen> crimsun: and
[01:49] <crimsun> it's a brilliant line from Bewitched
[01:49] <crimsun> unfortunately probably the only good line
[01:50] <Borg^Queen> o_0
[01:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the most brilliant line i ever herd was
[01:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hi i'm scitsophrenic and so am i
[01:55] <Borg^Queen> Ah 
[01:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[01:55] <Borg^Queen> But thats ok because I'll always have each other
[01:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> roflmao
[01:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats awsome
[01:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> pulls out the pke meter "we have a live one"
[01:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_O
[01:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> <insert crikets here>
[01:57] <Borg^Queen> Live?
[01:57] <Borg^Queen> No no, installed
[01:58] <Borg^Queen> I'll be here all hour, try the veal
[01:58] <monchy> boooo
[01:58] <crimsun> I'll pass, I'm vegan
[01:58] <crimsun> mm hamburgers
[01:58] <Borg^Queen> So am I
[01:58] <Borg^Queen> yuck
[01:58] <crimsun> mm milk and meat cookies
[01:58] <Borg^Queen> oh yuck
[01:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i think tofu is an alein life form
[01:59] <Borg^Queen> Is not
[01:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how can you be so shure
[02:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i mean it's tasteless and gives you gass
[02:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so it must be evil just like this bad joke
[02:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[02:00] <stisev> Damn I've got 9 vaccines in the past couple of weeks
[02:01] <stisev> Tetanus was by far the worst
[02:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i died call you tomorrow
[02:01] <nikkia> well, technically 'i'm not coming into the office this week'
[02:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> just call in with fakitis
[02:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> or call in dead for the week
[02:01] <nikkia> church, no, i'm not skipping work, just not going into the office, but we have a silly rule that if you are working from home, you have to email the woman that does the timelogs so she has a record of you saying 'i'm working from home'
[02:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> maybe ebola
[02:02] <nikkia> after 3-4 weeks of doing it, saying 'i'm working from home today' gets tiresome
[02:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> just make a saved e-mail
[02:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and keep resending it every time you need it
[02:02] <nikkia> ChurcH_of_FoamY: if i was going to do that, i'd setup  a cron job :P
[02:02] <nikkia> (and stay in bed another hour)
[02:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[02:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> luckly i'm my own boss.....
[02:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so if i'm sick i just tell my self
[02:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> fuck it.
[02:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and thats that
[02:03] <nikkia> been there, done that, lost the $500k...
[02:03] <Borg^Queen> Hey language
[02:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> sorry
[02:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[02:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i run a small computer shop
[02:04] <Borg^Queen> Aye so do I
[02:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mostly word of mouth
[02:04] <Borg^Queen> Same
[02:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nice
[02:04] <Borg^Queen> Linux only machines
[02:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i really want to do that
[02:05] <Borg^Queen> which is why I'm looking for a new distro
[02:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i was thinking of makeing a contract with transgaming to have a licence to put it on the computers
[02:05] <crimsun> how is Kubuntu stacking up?
[02:05] <Borg^Queen> So far it's ok
[02:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> because most of my customers are script kiddes
[02:06] <Borg^Queen> Its missing stuff like kwikdisk
[02:06] <Borg^Queen> script kiddies? Are you sure?
[02:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> pritty shure lol
[02:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> either that or lan junkies
[02:06] <Borg^Queen> hmm
[02:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> they don't want linux unless it can play there games
[02:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so transgaming might be the solution
[02:07] <Borg^Queen> they're gamers
[02:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> most of them yed
[02:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes
[02:07] <Borg^Queen> crakmonkeys (win users)
[02:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but some i'm not so shure becuase of the hardware configs they request
[02:08] <ecadre> ooooh
[02:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i had to order a server the other day for this customer
[02:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and at the end before the purchase was made
[02:08] <ecadre> 30 seconds till KDE 3.4.1  :-)
[02:09] <Borg^Queen> where did you get 3.4.1?
[02:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the guy asked me if i planed to use this server to make weapons of mass destruction
[02:09] <nikkia> ChurcH_of_FoamY: i wouldn't trade my job for any other job, tbh
[02:09] <monchy> bleh i won't use kde again til 3.5
[02:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i thought what the hell kinda question is that?
[02:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so i said yes
[02:09] <ecadre> It's on a Kubuntu Hoary update repository
[02:09] <Borg^Queen> url?
[02:10] <ecadre> just a mo
[02:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i was going to make exploding freto's
[02:10] <ecadre> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main
[02:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that sorta warped his mind lol
[02:11] <Borg^Queen> tanks
[02:11] <nikkia> there was only one job that i was 'considered for' before i accepted this one, that *might* have potentially been cooler :P
[02:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nikkia what was it?
[02:11] <nikkia> and that was programming engine management software for a F1 team
[02:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> neat
[02:11] <nikkia> ChurcH_of_FoamY: but what i do now, is program video gambling terminals
[02:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmmm
[02:12] <nikkia> which is also fun, but doesn't involve going to F1 races, like the other job would have
[02:12] <ecadre> there's a forum thread about it too
[02:12] <ecadre> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38405&page=1&pp=10
[02:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i live near a casino any hacks for them?
[02:12] <nikkia> ChurcH_of_FoamY: no, and everyone asks that
[02:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[02:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> just thinking that how a few years ago 
[02:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> a guy programmed a hack into the machenes
[02:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> where you pressed a bunch of buttions in sequence 
[02:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and it spit out a jackpot
[02:13] <nikkia> ChurcH_of_FoamY: if you do something like that, you're *lucky* if you go to prison
[02:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_O
[02:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the death penalty?
[02:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow harsh
[02:13] <nikkia> ChurcH_of_FoamY: yeah, of the gangland variety
[02:14] <crimsun> federal pound you in the arse prison.
[02:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> creepy
[02:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so do they actually have like a cpu?
[02:14] <nikkia> ChurcH_of_FoamY: most of them are just bog standard PCs in a fancy case running windows
[02:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> are you shittin me
[02:15] <nikkia> its true
[02:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow thats funnie
[02:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so there hackable lol
[02:15] <nikkia> usually they add a watchdog card so if windows crashes it doesn't get noticed
[02:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> if it's windows based it's flawd
[02:15] <nikkia> ChurcH_of_FoamY: i accidently released a product with a huge hack a few months back
[02:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow
[02:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> damn
[02:15] <nikkia> forgot to take out my keyboard shortcuts for adding money into the machine :P
[02:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[02:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that musta sucked
[02:16] <nikkia> if you'd walked up, found a way into the case, plugged a USB keyboard in, and hit F4 it would have creditted you 20
[02:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> brb
[02:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> roflmao
[02:16] <nikkia> thankfully, realised before any damage was done and commented out the code
[02:18] <nikkia> well, that's not entirely true, some lucky guy somewhere is 60 better off for it, because the company that owns the machine's stupid tech support can't press ALT-F4 properly :P
[02:18] <nikkia> they VNC'ed to the machine and tried to kill the program, hitting F4 3 times in a row before hitting ALT-F4
[02:18] <ecadre> * off to restart KDE for 3.4.1 upgrade *
[02:20] <nikkia> anyway, bed time
[02:21] <stisev> hi all
[02:21] <stisev> heh
[02:21] <stisev> night Borg^Queen  & nikkia 
[02:21] <stisev> heh
[02:21] <Borg^Queen> gn people
[02:21] <ecadre> back
[02:21] <ecadre> I wonder if Konqueror will stop crashing all the time now?
[02:22] <charles> How do I get an audio CD to play?
[02:24] <ecadre> ask it nicely?
[02:25] <twidget> please?
[02:25] <crimsun> just put it in, and kscd should fire up
[02:25] <ecadre> or put it in and then start kscd
[02:26] <ecadre> the cd should come up onto the desktop as well
[02:26] <ecadre> as "Audio CD"
[02:27] <twidget> it does that much
[02:27] <ecadre> woops, "Audio Disc"
[02:27] <twidget> but no sound
[02:27] <ecadre> is kmix running?
[02:27] <twidget> no
[02:28] <ecadre> try starting it and the setting the audio levels (to start with)
[02:28] <twidget> k, just a sec
[02:29] <ecadre> if that doesn't help
[02:30] <ecadre> have a look in the KDE Control Centre to see if your sound is set up at all
[02:30] <ecadre> Control Centre > Sound & Multimedia > Sound System
[02:31] <ecadre> Hey, I've just noticed it says "Center" not "Center"
[02:32] <ecadre> woops "Centre"
[02:32] <ecadre> hmmm, I want proper spelling...... off to look at how to change it.
[02:39] <ecadre> ha, I've installed the KDE gb english stuff and it still says "colors" in the Control Centre
[02:40] <twidget> okay... now
[02:40] <twidget> I can hear sound in the setup
[02:40] <ecadre> hurrah, proper spelling, American English annihillated
[02:40] <ecadre> good, and sound for you  ;-)
[02:41] <twidget> but no music
[02:41] <ecadre> oh
[02:42] <ecadre> did you get the test sound on the Control Centre page
[02:42] <twidget> yes
[02:43] <ecadre> and you're trying to get sound through kscd at the mo?
[02:44] <twidget> yes
[02:44] <ecadre> how's the mixer?
[02:45] <ecadre> kmix that is?
[02:45] <twidget> it's fine, it says, "Hello!"
[02:45] <ecadre> it should be running in your system tray
[02:45] <twidget> (sorry)
[02:45] <twidget> it is
[02:46] <ecadre> if you bring up the mixer screen
[02:46] <ecadre> have a look on the input tab
[02:46] <twidget> amarok seems to be doing something
[02:46] <ecadre> and check there is a green light underneath the CD image
[02:47] <twidget> yes, there is
[02:47] <ecadre> it's probably best close Amarok
[02:47] <twidget> I have
[02:47] <ecadre> different programmes often fight over the sound demon
[02:48] <ecadre> though, actually Amarok and ksCD should coexist OK
[02:49] <twidget> ksCD says it's playing Sgt. Pepper
[02:49] <twidget> but I hear nothing
[02:49] <ecadre> can you play anything through Amarok?
[02:49] <twidget> no
[02:50] <twidget> I have an Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe motherboard with an nVidia chipset
[02:51] <ecadre> sorry, I'm not much help here :-/
[02:51] <twidget> It says NVidia CK804 on the bottom
[02:54] <ecadre> well, I suspect it's something simple since you're getting a sound from the test button
[02:54] <twidget> Oh well, I'll keep banging away
[02:54] <ecadre> that means it's actually workiing
[02:54] <ecadre> which is good
[02:58] <ecadre> anyone else I can completely fail to help ?
[03:08] <sancho> my mate has just installed kubuntu on my system then gone home,,,,, it's all a lil bit,,,, different
[03:11] <js_> he is sancho
[03:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> sancho of course it's diffrent silly
[03:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> because it works ^_^
[03:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and it's free ^_^
[03:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> all new cartoon @ www.illwillpress.com
[03:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Enjoy!
[03:24] <ecadre> different to what?
[03:25] <ecadre> heh, sancho went....ah well
[03:26] <ecadre> I'm trying to hold out against Flash Foamy  :-P
[03:31] <dutch> crimsun: evening :)
[03:33] <crimsun> dutch, evening :) Got any plans for the Fourth?
[03:36] <ecadre> it is the fourth :-)
[03:36] <crimsun> localtime =)
[03:37] <ecadre> of course...
[03:59] <dutch> crimsun: gotta work the 4th
[03:59] <crimsun> dutch, ah, I'm putting in time at the office now so I can take off tomorrow
[04:00] <dutch> crimsun:  can't do that from a truck :)
[04:00] <crimsun> dutch, I hear ya
[04:00] <dutch> crimsun:  goiing to bed....
[04:01] <crimsun> night, dutch 
[04:01] <crimsun> have a good one
[04:01] <dutch> crimsun:  catch ya later...have a good one  
[04:01] <crimsun> thanks
[04:01] <seth_k> oy
[04:01] <seth_k> the worst part of vacation
[04:01] <seth_k> is coming back from it
[04:01] <crimsun> hear, hear
[04:01] <seth_k> I just got back from Mexico a couple hours ago
[04:01] <seth_k> hello, paperwork
[04:02] <crimsun> I returned from Ottawa yesterday, and this stuff at work has been smacking me in the face
[04:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> crimsun did you go through michigan at all?
[04:07] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY, no, Illinois
[04:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[04:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> just wondering
[04:18] <seth_k> ermm, foamy, somehow I don't think that was a great idea
[04:18] <seth_k> we need that topic
[04:18] <monchy> no worries
[04:19] <seth_k> indeed, you beat me
[04:19] <monchy> ;p
[04:19] <FoamY_is_AwaY> sorry man 
[04:19] <FoamY_is_AwaY> just trying to wish everyone a good weekend
[04:19] <monchy> you could probably add to the end of it though
[04:19] <FoamY_is_AwaY> diden't mean to offend
[04:19] <seth_k> yep
[04:19] <seth_k> no worries
[04:19] <FoamY_is_AwaY> kk
[04:19] <FoamY_is_AwaY> thanx
[04:20] <monchy> god if i see another pauly shore commercial i'm going to vomit
[04:23] <seth_k> I got Montezuma's Revenge while I was in Mexico. It was a party ^_^
[04:23] <seth_k> well, it was a party after I stopped hallucinating that snakes were crawling all over my body
[04:25] <monchy> ahh snakes :x
[04:26] <unome> root shouldnt be in the sudoers list, right or wrong?
[04:28] <aseigo> unome: doesn't really matter, but not having it there is a bit silly =)
[04:29] <unome> I dont know how it end up there .. I dont recall if I did
[04:30] <unome> I dont see a reason for it to be there ... unless I'm missing something
[04:31] <aseigo> so that root can use sudo.
[04:31] <unome> lol
[04:31] <aseigo> it makes more sense than you might think at first blush
[04:31] <unome> explain please
[04:31] <aseigo> e.g.: sudo -u someuser somecommand
[04:32] <unome> ah
[04:32] <unome> good point
[04:32] <aseigo> there are some commands that you may wish to run as a specific user
[04:33] <unome> I'll put back there, good thinking.
[04:35] <Mace68> Hi all
[04:35] <unome> hi
[04:35] <Mace68> I need a good disaster recovery program. I am backing up to an external USB2.0 HD. I've tried backup2l and it seems very solid and I like the way it works except for one thing. SPEED. Can anybody recommend any other free tools (as automated as possible) to make a disaster recovery set?
[04:36] <monchy> there doesn't happen to be an easier way to install themes in kde is there? ie: drag n' drop for gnome. just curious
[04:36] <ecadre> tar
[04:36] <aseigo> monchy: what kind of themes? widget themes?
[04:36] <Mace68> is it faster than afio?
[04:36] <monchy> window decs / styles
[04:36] <ecadre> unless you're talking about a disk image
[04:37] <unome> win dec can be installed from kcontrol I guess
[04:37] <Mace68> I like the fault tolerance of afio. Disk image would be ok too.
[04:37] <stisev> clear
[04:37] <stisev> hi qall
[04:37] <stisev> er Hi all
[04:37] <stisev> heeh
[04:39] <monchy> be back in a bit
[04:39] <stisev> heh
[04:40] <Mace68> Is there a GPL (free) disk imaging program that will put an image of my main drive as a compressed file on removable media (kindof like ghost)?
[04:42] <ecadre> dd
[04:42] <Mace68> thanks ecadre, I'll have a look at it.
[04:43] <ecadre> it's command line
[04:44] <ecadre> very simple
[04:44] <Mace68> I'm a newbie but the command line doesn't scare me :P I guess I'll find everything in the man file?
[04:44] <ecadre> dd if=/disc_to_backup of=/image.iso
[04:45] <Mace68> if=input file, of= output file i presume?
[04:45] <ecadre> dd if=something-to-backup   if=output.iso
[04:45] <godsmoke> dd is the most powerful data imaging tool on the planet
[04:45] <ecadre> it's very, very good
[04:46] <ecadre> dead easy
[04:46] <godsmoke> yep
[04:46] <stisev> Hi all
[04:46] <stisev> So what are some must-have apps for Linux (ubuntu)
[04:46] <Mace68> for the if parameter should I specify the HD (/dev/hda) or the partition (/dev/hda3)?
[04:47] <ecadre> blinkin' 'eck, that'll be far too long a list
[04:47] <stisev> eh
[04:47] <godsmoke> stisev: completely depends on what you're doing
[04:47] <godsmoke> Mace68: depends on what you want to copy ...
[04:47] <Mace68> i just want to be able to recover quickly from a disaster
[04:47] <ecadre> depends if you want to image the whole disk, or just one partition
[04:48] <ecadre> do the whole disk then, if you've got the space
[04:48] <Mace68> can I pipe it through bzip2 or something like that?
[04:49] <Mace68> or should i bzip it after the image is created
[04:49] <godsmoke> you can zip it through a pipe, sure
[04:50] <godsmoke> but ... I don't know how good the compression on a disk image will be
[04:50] <stisev> godsmoke: Media player
[04:50] <stisev> godsmoke: I used Winamp 5.093 + Albumlist + Enhancer017 on Windows
[04:50] <Mace68> does dd copy empty sectors as well?
[04:51] <stisev> it was the best media player I've ever used
[04:51] <godsmoke> stisev: Kaffeine is a good graphical kde media player -- mplayer is a real workhorse media player -- vlc also has uses
[04:51] <Mace68> or just the parts containing data
[04:51] <godsmoke> Mace68: yes -- it's a bit-for-bit copy
[04:51] <Mace68> ok
[04:51] <godsmoke> Mace68: I use it for forensics work all the time
[04:51] <ecadre> if you want a quick backup/restore of a disk, compressing stuff through gzip or something would kust take ages
[04:51] <ecadre> ^just
[04:52] <Mace68> so the empty space should compress quite well i would think (just a guess though)
[04:52] <ecadre> dd does a complete image of a disk, everything
[04:52] <FoamY_is_DrunK>  have a happy 4th of july everyone! ^_^
[04:52] <stisev> Does anyone know if enemy territory will run on Ubuntu?
[04:52] <Mace68> ecadre: that's what I'm finding with backup2l
[04:52] <godsmoke> Mace68: not much "empty space" on a disk
[04:52] <seth_k> stisev, sure, beautifully
[04:52] <godsmoke> it's all residual data
[04:52] <stisev> seth_k: do I have to grab a specific package?
[04:52] <godsmoke> so there isn't like a block of 5 billion 0s
[04:52] <godsmoke> to compress
[04:52] <stisev> can I get this one : http://www.frag9.net/enemy.territory/?
[04:52] <stisev> er 
[04:52] <stisev> http://www.frag9.net/enemy.territory/
[04:53] <seth_k> http://enemy-territory.4players.de:1041/modules.php?name=files&show_dlfile=301
[04:53] <seth_k> mine's newer :P
[04:53] <seth_k> 2.6.0
[04:53] <Mace68> no way to wipe the free space or am I still thinking too much on the windows side of things?
[04:54] <ecadre> a disk image is just that, an exact image of a disk
[04:55] <Brydenn[WU] > Enemy Territory sucks
[04:55] <Brydenn[WU] > its a poor excuse for TFC
[04:55] <Brydenn[WU] > and the physics suck too
[04:56] <ecadre> I don't know about thinking in a windows way, it's just that for a quick diaster recovery, a disk image is best
[04:56] <ecadre> ^disaster
[04:57] <godsmoke> right -- you're sure to get whatever can be gotten without $50,000 worth of disk equipment
[04:57] <Mace68> ecadre, godsmoke, thanks for your help. I'll try dd and see how it goes. I have a 60GB disk and a 120GB external drive for backup so room isn't an issue.
[04:57] <FoamY_is_DrunK> anyone know where i can find a really cheap hard drive bay thats removible?/
[04:57] <stisev> seth_k:  that area is for restricted users onky
[04:57] <stisev> er only
[04:58] <seth_k> oy?
[04:58] <ecadre> if your hard disk went down, you could stick in a new one and use a knoppix CD yo restore the image
[04:58] <Mace68> partitions and all?
[04:58] <seth_k>  just register for free, stisev
[04:58] <ecadre> excuse me, many of us aren't from the US
[04:58] <Mace68> I guess because it's an image it would
[04:58] <seth_k> that was the link off the official ET site, so I dunno
[04:58] <godsmoke> FoamY_is_DrunK: what kind of hard drive bay?
[04:58] <penguinboy> hey hey hey Linux geeks and nerds!!!
[04:58] <FoamY_is_DrunK> removable
[04:58] <godsmoke> FoamY_is_DrunK: do you mean a hotswap bay?
[04:59] <ecadre> no Brits put up stuff about Trafalgar day I bet
[04:59] <FoamY_is_DrunK> one that you can use with 2 hard drives
[04:59] <godsmoke> FoamY_is_DrunK: what do you mean?
[04:59] <FoamY_is_DrunK> well if you don't live in the usa luck you
[04:59] <FoamY_is_DrunK> lucky you even
[04:59] <FoamY_is_DrunK> we have a complete moron for a prez anyway
[04:59] <Mace68> thanks again people, I'm of to dd-land. Bye.
[05:00] <godsmoke> Mace68: good luck
[05:00] <ecadre> I know Foamy, but I bet your not going to "PATY" either :-)
[05:00] <FoamY_is_DrunK> soory
[05:00] <FoamY_is_DrunK> damnit
[05:00] <FoamY_is_DrunK> sorry
[05:01] <ecadre> come on, stop it
[05:01] <FoamY_is_DrunK> ok ok sorry
[05:01] <FoamY_is_DrunK> just trying to fix my mistakes
[05:01] <penguinboy> no problem there Foamy
[05:01] <FoamY_is_DrunK> so people can understand lol
[05:01] <ecadre> ha  :-P
[05:02] <FoamY_is_DrunK> not trying to peeve anyone off 
[05:02] <FoamY_is_DrunK> sorry if i did
[05:02] <penguinboy> you did not
[05:02] <ecadre> "JAPPY 4TH OF JULY"     ????
[05:02] <FoamY_is_DrunK> >.< 
[05:02] <FoamY_is_DrunK> damnit
[05:02] <penguinboy> a mispelling perhaps
[05:02] <FoamY_is_DrunK> yea
[05:02] <FoamY_is_DrunK> screw it
[05:02] <ecadre> and where's Laurel going to bwe
[05:02] <ecadre> ^be
[05:02] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i ant gonna screw with it anymore
[05:03] <FoamY_is_DrunK> it's good enough for goberment work
[05:04] <ecadre> the thing is, for most of the world, 4th of July is, well, just the 4th day in July
[05:04] <FoamY_is_DrunK> yea i know
[05:04] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i try to involve myself in other cultures as much as i can
[05:04] <penguinboy> LOL
[05:04] <penguinboy> LOL
[05:04] <penguinboy> nice Foamy
[05:05] <ecadre> :-O
[05:05] <FoamY_is_DrunK> to be more knowlegeable about there belefes and ways
[05:05] <ecadre> good
[05:05] <FoamY_is_DrunK> would you beleve that i actually like haggus
[05:05] <FoamY_is_DrunK> as gross as it is lol
[05:05] <ecadre> if you mean haggis, virtually no-one eats it
[05:06] <ecadre> ever
[05:06] <FoamY_is_DrunK> yea i do it's actualy quite good
[05:06] <ecadre> except a bit on Burn's night
[05:06] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i found a recepe on the net and made it myself
[05:06] <penguinboy> doesit taste like Spam?
[05:06] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i don't think so
[05:06] <ecadre> offal and oats in a sheeps stomach
[05:06] <FoamY_is_DrunK> it actually tastes better than it looks
[05:06] <penguinboy> blech
[05:06] <penguinboy> what is offal?
[05:07] <ecadre> it smells awful
[05:07] <FoamY_is_DrunK> yea it does
[05:07] <FoamY_is_DrunK> kinda like limburger cheese
[05:07] <FoamY_is_DrunK> but man is it good
[05:07] <ecadre> offal, all of the bits and bobs that aren't actually meat
[05:07] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i like trying dishes from other countrys
[05:08] <ecadre> all of the cheap stuff goes into Haggis
[05:08] <FoamY_is_DrunK> it shows you kinda how other cultures are
[05:08] <ecadre> it's a poor peasant's dish
[05:08] <FoamY_is_DrunK> you should try a pasty
[05:08] <stisev> mmm
[05:08] <FoamY_is_DrunK> pronounced past-ey
[05:08] <stisev> macademian nuts + organic reason = Mmmmmmmmmmmmm
[05:08] <FoamY_is_DrunK> hmm?
[05:08] <FoamY_is_DrunK> what is this dish?
[05:08] <stisev> lol
[05:08] <stisev> organic RAISON
[05:09] <stisev> omg
[05:09] <ecadre> it's pronounced pasty
[05:09] <FoamY_is_DrunK> ooh sounds good wheres it from?
[05:09] <FoamY_is_DrunK> no 
[05:09] <stisev> raisen
[05:09] <FoamY_is_DrunK> not pasty
[05:09] <FoamY_is_DrunK> past-ey
[05:09] <FoamY_is_DrunK> theres a diffrence
[05:09] <FoamY_is_DrunK> beleve it or not
[05:09] <ecadre> like eye-rak
[05:10] <FoamY_is_DrunK> yea
[05:10] <FoamY_is_DrunK> lol
[05:10] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i even tryed blood sausage
[05:10] <ecadre> don't you have pasties over in the US?
[05:10] <FoamY_is_DrunK> not my coup de gras
[05:10] <FoamY_is_DrunK> yea
[05:10] <ecadre> black pudding
[05:10] <FoamY_is_DrunK> thats where i got the rsepie
[05:10] <FoamY_is_DrunK> never tryed black pudding what is it?
[05:11] <FoamY_is_DrunK> is that like blood pudding?
[05:11] <ecadre> er, pigs blood, fat .....
[05:11] <FoamY_is_DrunK> thats what i thought
[05:11] <ecadre> black pudding
[05:11] <FoamY_is_DrunK> a freind from eingland sent me a recepie
[05:11] <ecadre> first catch a pig
[05:12] <ecadre> sure it wasn't a fiend from England?
[05:12] <FoamY_is_DrunK> lol
[05:12] <FoamY_is_DrunK> yea
[05:12] <FoamY_is_DrunK> sorry about the spelling
[05:12] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i tend to spell things has i see them in my mind
[05:12] <ecadre> fiend was the correct spelling
[05:13] <FoamY_is_DrunK> how so?
[05:13] <ecadre> for what I wrote it was :-)
[05:13] <FoamY_is_DrunK> lol
[05:14] <FoamY_is_DrunK> one thing i noticed about my country is that theres alot of racisem 
[05:14] <FoamY_is_DrunK> if only people would take the time to explore other cultures theyd see that we where all the same
[05:14] <ecadre> ba! Amarok gone barmy...... 
[05:14] <ecadre> ^ Amarok's
[05:14] <FoamY_is_DrunK> it's really sad
[05:14] <stisev> FoamY_is_DrunK:  what country
[05:14] <FoamY_is_DrunK> usa
[05:15] <stisev> lol
[05:15] <stisev> FoamY_is_DrunK: what state
[05:15] <ecadre> drunk
[05:15] <ecadre> !
[05:15] <FoamY_is_DrunK> yea were supposed to be the most powerfull contrey in the world
[05:15] <stisev> America's people are a bunch of idiotic sheep
[05:15] <FoamY_is_DrunK> and we can't see past simple diffrences
[05:15] <ecadre> foamy's state is drunk, he keeps telling us
[05:15] <FoamY_is_DrunK> not me
[05:15] <stisev> FoamY_is_DrunK: no, we're brainwashed by the media
[05:15] <stisev> FoxNews 
[05:15] <FoamY_is_DrunK> that
[05:16] <stisev> China has sped past us
[05:16] <FoamY_is_DrunK> too
[05:16] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i don't watch tv
[05:16] <stisev> their economy is RED hot
[05:16] <stisev> FoamY_is_DrunK: Me neither
[05:16] <FoamY_is_DrunK> yea
[05:16] <stisev> I just got back from China a month ago
[05:16] <stisev> o_O
[05:16] <stisev> O_o
[05:16] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i mean when i was a kid there was good things on tv
[05:16] <FoamY_is_DrunK> stuff you could learn
[05:16] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i mean rember mr. wizard?
[05:16] <stisev> FoamY_is_DrunK: Yep, TV is below stupid now.
[05:16] <FoamY_is_DrunK> yea
[05:16] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i agree
[05:16] <stisev> FoamY_is_DrunK: BUT BUT.. REALITY SHOWS!!
[05:16] <ecadre> die Amarok, die!!!
[05:16] <FoamY_is_DrunK> lol
[05:17] <stisev> ;)
[05:17] <FoamY_is_DrunK> yea
[05:17] <stisev> FoamY_is_DrunK: I just spend my time on the computer
[05:17] <ecadre> done it
[05:17] <stisev> FoamY_is_DrunK: you knwo what's funny?
[05:17] <FoamY_is_DrunK> what?
[05:17] <FoamY_is_DrunK> besides me?
[05:17] <ecadre> thanks for apologising for your President Foamy
[05:17] <stisev> FoamY_is_DrunK: those same people who insult me for "wasting my time on the computer" spend hours on end each day watching pointless reality shows
[05:17] <stisev> FoamY_is_DrunK: LOL
[05:17] <ecadre> we know it's not all your fault
[05:17] <FoamY_is_DrunK> yep
[05:18] <FoamY_is_DrunK> and just so you know i could never apologize enough for what our stupid prez is doin to the world
[05:18] <FoamY_is_DrunK> the only thing that could is his death.
[05:18] <ecadre> have you heard our Prime Minister  :-(
[05:18] <FoamY_is_DrunK> no which one?
[05:18] <ecadre> eh?
[05:18] <FoamY_is_DrunK> uk's
[05:19] <FoamY_is_DrunK> or usa's
[05:19] <ecadre> we only have one at a time you know....
[05:19] <FoamY_is_DrunK> right
[05:19] <ecadre> Britain
[05:19] <FoamY_is_DrunK> yea
[05:19] <stisev> FoamY_is_DrunK: yep
[05:19] <ecadre> bloody poodle
[05:19] <FoamY_is_DrunK> charging tolls for your own vehicles
[05:19] <FoamY_is_DrunK> what is this world coming to?
[05:20] <ecadre> Linux !!!
[05:20] <stisev> Hey guys
[05:20] <stisev> question
[05:20] <FoamY_is_DrunK> ^_^
[05:20] <stisev> How do install this file : et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[05:20] <stisev> It's not .deb o_O
[05:20] <ecadre> phone home
[05:21] <FoamY_is_DrunK> you know we consider our selves the most intellegent creatures on this planet and we can't even stop killing each other
[05:21] <FoamY_is_DrunK> it's quite pathetic
[05:22] <FoamY_is_DrunK> we don't even have the common sence to see past our diffrences
[05:22] <ecadre> yeah, apparently the dolphins think they're the most intelligent for precisely the same reason  :-)
[05:22] <FoamY_is_DrunK> apes are more advanced than we are
[05:22] <FoamY_is_DrunK> lol
[05:22] <FoamY_is_DrunK> at least they only kill when threatend of servival
[05:22] <ecadre> stisev;  is it some sort of a Loki installer?
[05:23] <FoamY_is_DrunK> we kill because some other country pissed us off
[05:23] <ecadre> or maybe done by a shell script?
[05:23] <ecadre> chimpanzees can be pretty violent
[05:23] <unome> country or group of people?
[05:24] <ecadre> but the whle Iraq things is....... crap
[05:24] <FoamY_is_DrunK> yea but think about how they react to the situations there presented with
[05:24] <FoamY_is_DrunK> both
[05:24] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i must be the only american that hates everything about the usa
[05:24] <unome> no coutry pissed you off, a group of people did.
[05:24] <stisev> ecadre: no idea
[05:24] <stisev> et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[05:24] <stisev> is enemy territor
[05:24] <FoamY_is_DrunK> true
[05:24] <stisev> (linux version)
[05:25] <FoamY_is_DrunK> me i don't care either way i just think it all stupid
[05:25] <FoamY_is_DrunK> theres no need for any of it
[05:25] <ecadre> et-linux-2.60.x86.run looks like it should be run
[05:25] <ecadre> ./et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[05:25] <stisev> ecadre: eh?
[05:25] <ecadre> are you sure you trust it?
[05:25] <ecadre> from bash
[05:25] <ecadre> ./et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[05:25] <stisev> ah
[05:25] <stisev> k
[05:26] <stisev> from sh it's different, right?
[05:26] <ecadre> in one of your home directories
[05:26] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i can't waite till some other country says "ENOUGH" and comes over and whomps us
[05:26] <ecadre> don't give it any priviliges though
[05:26] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i want to shake that guys hand and say "thanx"
[05:26] <stisev> Extraction failed.
[05:26] <stisev> Signal caught, cleaning up
[05:26] <stisev> ecadre: extraction failed :((
[05:27] <ecadre> Foamy;  there are millions of us out here, be we don't want to fight
[05:27] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i know it's stupid that we are pushed into it though
[05:27] <ecadre> yes indeed
[05:27] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i'd love to live in canada
[05:28] <FoamY_is_DrunK> there a shining example of what a country should be
[05:28] <FoamY_is_DrunK> they haven't started a war in what over 200 years
[05:28] <ecadre> stisev:  aren't there any instructions on the website (or was is ftp?)
[05:28] <ecadre> they've been involved in quite a few though
[05:28] <FoamY_is_DrunK> they have health plans and good artistical society
[05:28] <FoamY_is_DrunK> really?
[05:29] <ecadre> WW1
[05:29] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i wasen't aware of that
[05:29] <ecadre> WW2
[05:29] <FoamY_is_DrunK> oh yea i forgot
[05:29] <ecadre> Malaya
[05:29] <stisev> ecadre: FTP
[05:29] <ecadre> etc
[05:29] <FoamY_is_DrunK> right
[05:29] <stisev> ecadre: Redownloading again just in case
[05:30] <ecadre> you could try doing a search on the file name, just to see if there are any instructions out there
[05:30] <FoamY_is_DrunK> has anyone noticed how other countrys are backing out of the iraq thing?
[05:30] <ecadre> yes Foamy
[05:30] <ecadre> must of us (yes MOST of the Britsh people, didn't want to do it in the first place
[05:31] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i really feel bad for poor stupid bush..he should have noticed by now that he's wrong
[05:31] <ecadre> democracy eh?..............  ha!
[05:31] <FoamY_is_DrunK> yea
[05:31] <FoamY_is_DrunK> democracy is just like saying f*** you!
[05:31] <ecadre> even his church disagreed with him
[05:32] <FoamY_is_DrunK> it could be a good thing if you use it right
[05:32] <FoamY_is_DrunK> really? wow
[05:32] <FoamY_is_DrunK> the whole pagan community is pissed at him cause of one of his sunderheaded comments
[05:32] <FoamY_is_DrunK> duderheaded even
[05:33] <FoamY_is_DrunK> he said that paganism isen't a religion
[05:33] <FoamY_is_DrunK> how dumb
[05:33] <ecadre> http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1020-02.htm
[05:33] <FoamY_is_DrunK> thats just like saying that jews don't exist >.<
[05:33] <FoamY_is_DrunK> what narrow mindedness
[05:34] <ecadre> http://www.umc.org/site/c.gjJTJbMUIuE/b.865535/k.44E/Church_leaders_call_on_US_to_change_Iraq_policy_end_war.htm
[05:34] <ecadre> United Methodist Church
[05:36] <ecadre> Bush and Cheney's church!
[05:36] <FoamY_is_DrunK> ok after reading that i now come to the conclusion that bush is the biggest mass murder in history
[05:37] <FoamY_is_DrunK> and should be shot dead on site
[05:37] <FoamY_is_DrunK> .
[05:37] <unome> linux and religion dont mix (:
[05:37] <FoamY_is_DrunK> >.<
[05:37] <penguinboy> foamy be careful what you say
[05:37] <FoamY_is_DrunK> yea i know
[05:38] <FoamY_is_DrunK> but it's the truth isen't it
[05:38] <penguinboy> i think you could be arrested on that statement alone
[05:38] <ecadre> Foamy; you'll end up at Guantanamo
[05:38] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i mean you can't honistly say that he has done good for the world
[05:38] <unome> the truth is a perception.
[05:38] <FoamY_is_DrunK> hmm
[05:38] <FoamY_is_DrunK> ponders the thought
[05:38] <ecadre> no
[05:39] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i mean we have had 2 bushes in office right
[05:39] <unome> what's the truth to you maynot be the truth to someone else. watch TV you'll see what I'm talking about.
[05:39] <FoamY_is_DrunK> bothe of them have started shit for no reason
[05:39] <ecadre> watch TV?
[05:39] <FoamY_is_DrunK> yea right and be brainwashed
[05:39] <FoamY_is_DrunK> don't think so
[05:40] <ecadre> power and money Foamy, them's the reasons
[05:40] <FoamY_is_DrunK> yea true but niether mean squat when your dead
[05:41] <FoamY_is_DrunK> you can have all the power and mony in the world and it's all gone when you croak
[05:41] <FoamY_is_DrunK> it can't keep you alive forever
[05:41] <ecadre> didn't you know, they're all going to heaven!
[05:41] <ecadre> hallelujah
[05:41] <FoamY_is_DrunK> then god has droped his standards
[05:41] <FoamY_is_DrunK> to a very low point
[05:41] <ecadre> indeed
[05:42] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i know i should whatch what i say but i'm protected by the 1st admendment (if it still exits)
[05:43] <FoamY_is_DrunK> and if not oh well.
[05:43] <ecadre> if there are enough of us.... then.....  
[05:44] <FoamY_is_DrunK> http://www.rense.com/general66/newdec.htm
[05:44] <FoamY_is_DrunK> yea right
[05:44] <FoamY_is_DrunK> it does have qoutes from the actually decleration of independence
[05:45] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i have a antiqued repo on my wall
[05:45] <FoamY_is_DrunK> made it in woodshop
[05:45] <FoamY_is_DrunK> lol
[05:54] <FoamY_is_DrunK> ecadre what you think?
[05:54] <ecadre> sorry Foamy, got to go  :-)
[05:54] <FoamY_is_DrunK> kk
[05:54] <FoamY_is_DrunK> have a nice night
[05:54] <ecadre> (morning actually..!)
[05:54] <FoamY_is_DrunK> oh good morning then ^_^
[05:54] <ecadre> over here in Coventry, England...
[05:55] <FoamY_is_DrunK> oh wow nice
[05:55] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i seen pics of there once
[05:55] <FoamY_is_DrunK> looks nice
[05:55] <ecadre> what of?
[05:55] <FoamY_is_DrunK> coventry
[05:55] <ecadre> depends what they photographed  :-)
[05:55] <FoamY_is_DrunK> it seemd like a pritty place
[05:55] <FoamY_is_DrunK> i suppose lol
[05:56] <ecadre> anyway Foamy, keep up the good work, no more Bush, bring the troops home to their families where they belong!
[05:57] <ecadre> bye
[05:57] <monchy> no more bush? did he finally get asassinated
[05:58] <monchy> hey kaiser do you use konqueror?
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> monchy: no, not usualy
[06:01] <penguinboy> hey hey hey monchmeister and KK
[06:01] <monchy> hey penguin
[06:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> allo
[06:01] <penguinboy> allo
[06:01] <monchy> well my prob is when i go to dl a file, it doesn't dl, it just goes to open it in KATE -.-
[06:02] <monchy> btw penguin liz4rd is gone again lol
[06:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i wish he did
[06:02] <penguinboy> where to this time
[06:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> omg hi ChurcH_of_FoamY
[06:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i whish someone would have the balls too
[06:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hey
[06:02] <monchy> he said somethin about his aunts, didn't know when he'd be back
[06:02] <karthik_r085> Hello, My name is Karthik. I would like to actively contribute to Kubuntu and KDE. What is the process I need to go to become one of the maintainers?
[06:02] <penguinboy> send me $1000
[06:02] <penguinboy> and I will make it happen
[06:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[06:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats kinda mean
[06:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> probably should have helped him :S
[06:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea
[06:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> he wanted to make a contribution
[06:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and people have to be a dick
[06:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> even if it was unintentional
[06:20] <monchy> i think it was the lack of response that drove him off
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, imo that's right
[06:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i think it was penguinboy's coments
[06:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but thats just me
[06:21] <monchy> wrong
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> he's found it :)
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /whois karthik_r085
[06:21] <monchy> he waited 10 minutes after penguins comment :P
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> he's on Kubuntu-devel
[06:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh really
[06:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[06:21] <penguinboy> not my fault
[06:22] <penguinboy> i was being serious
[06:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> you work for kubuntu?
[06:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_O
[06:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow i'm sorry man i meant no disrespect
[06:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just meet alot of smart asses in irc so it's hard to tell the legit from the scammers
[06:23] <monchy> i'm a smart ass
[06:23] <penguinboy> no...i am only joking....you should never take me seriously
[06:23] <monchy> i just felt i had to throw that out there
[06:23] <penguinboy> i am asmart homosexual ass
[06:23] <monchy> lol
[06:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[06:24] <monchy> wheres that brydenn guy that has a crush on you
[06:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats cool man
[06:24] <penguinboy> i am out...loud...and proud!
[06:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[06:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nice man theres not many people i know that are gay
[06:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's nice to meet someone of colour
[06:26] <penguinboy> there are many of us....probably more than you even realize
[06:26] <penguinboy> i am not a person of color
[06:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i diden't mean disrespect
[06:26] <penguinboy> and I did not think that you did
[06:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i mustive phrased it wrong
[06:26] <penguinboy> i am a gay white boy
[06:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok cool
[06:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[06:26] <monchy> lol
[06:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nice
[06:27] <penguinboy> thank
[06:27] <penguinboy> s
[06:27] <penguinboy> i think monchy could be bi
[06:27] <penguinboy> you know...swing both ways
[06:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[06:27] <monchy> hell fucking no
[06:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i know
[06:28] <monchy> if you want someone, take foamy
[06:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[06:29] <monchy> he's a drunk you should have no problem ;)
[06:29] <monchy> jk foamy :P
[06:29] <penguinboy> foamy are you interested
[06:30] <monchy> ewwww
[06:30] <penguinboy> WOW....I have 90 MB to upgrade
[06:31] <penguinboy> hey hey hey kalenedrael 
[06:31] <kalenedrael> hey hey hety
[06:31] <kalenedrael> hey
[06:31] <penguinboy> ahoy there mate
[06:31] <penguinboy> i graqnt you permission to come aboard
[06:32] <penguinboy> where is transgress
[06:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> maybe;)
[06:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> penguinboy maybe
[06:43] <penguinboy> maybe what???
[06:43] <penguinboy> maybe you are interested in me?
[06:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ;)
[06:46] <penguinboy> well????
[06:47] <penguinboy> have you ever been in a homosexual relationship before?
[06:48] <penguinboy> I'm listening...
[06:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes
[06:48] <wxy> Hi there! Need help resetting Thunderbird as default mail client.
[06:50] <ookii> how come there is a file in directory konqueror and k3b cannot see, yet I can see it in the terminal?
[06:50] <ookii> something akin to the "show hidden files/directories" in windows?
[06:53] <penguinboy> I think Queer As Folk is coming on the telly
[06:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> ookii, do you have any filters set?
[06:55] <ookii> Kamping_Kaiser: no i don't
[06:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> well that's not it then :(
[06:56] <ookii> Kamping_Kaiser: you really got me on this one, i checked the 'see hidden files'
[07:03] <stisev> Hi all
[07:04] <stisev> anyone know of a way to adjust the sound volume in KDE
[07:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea 2 ways
[07:04] <stisev> shoot
[07:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> in control center
[07:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and on the k-bar
[07:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> to the left the speaker icon
[07:05] <stisev> ?
[07:05] <stisev> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Q for you
[07:05] <stisev> when you click Kmenu
[07:05] <stisev> do you have small icons in the menU
[07:05] <stisev> >
[07:05] <stisev> er ?
[07:05] <ookii> anyone know why getting transcode off apt is broken in ubuntu?
[07:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea
[07:05] <stisev> I dont
[07:05] <stisev> :(
[07:05] <stisev> is there any way tofix tha
[07:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ? weard
[07:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um i really don't know
[07:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> ookii because it's not an Ubuntu package IIRC, but I'm not the expert
[07:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm not that good with linux yet
[07:06] <ookii> Kamping_Kaiser: well i know it's on the debian mallirat sources, but i only have the regular ubuntu plus the backports on my list
[07:06] <stisev> I dont see a place to adjust the sound in the control center
[07:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hold on
[07:07] <stisev> k
[07:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> ookii: not sure what the deal is
[07:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is there a icon on the kbar all the way to the left before the clock?
[07:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it looks like a blue speaker?
[07:08] <stisev> all the way to the left before the clock?
[07:09] <stisev> to the right you mean?
[07:09] <stisev> and nope :(
[07:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea
[07:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[07:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm weard
[07:09] <stisev> ok I finally got it
[07:09] <stisev> I added "volume control" to my taskbar
[07:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok cool
[07:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how'd you do it?
[07:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'd like to know
[07:10] <stisev> right click on the taskbar
[07:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so i can tell others
[07:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k
[07:10] <stisev> add to panel
[07:10] <stisev> application > multimedia >volume control
[07:11] <stisev> anyone know if there's a way to BIND my keyboard's Start menu button to K-Menu?
[07:12] <penguinboy> Keith????
[07:13] <stisev> Yea
[07:17] <stisev> Hey guys
[07:17] <penguinboy> ey hey
[07:17] <stisev> whoever runs KDE here: does anyone have icons in their "K-menu"
[07:18] <stisev> small icons
[07:18] <stisev> Mine doens't seem to have any
[07:18] <stisev> o_O
[07:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> any at all?
[07:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> or you have large icons
[07:18] <stisev> nope none at all
[07:18] <stisev> in the menu itself
[07:20] <stisev> Is there a process manager in Linux
[07:20] <stisev> (other than "top" in konsole)
[07:20] <stisev> Like taskmanager, but better in windows
[07:20] <duende> KDE's Processtable
[07:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> ctrl+alt+esc IIRC does somthying in KDE
[07:20] <duende> press Ctrl+Esc in kde
[07:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh that
[07:23] <stisev> omfg
[07:23] <stisev> that control alt esc killed konversation
[07:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> :( sorry
[07:24] <stisev> lol np man
[07:24] <stisev> Kamping_Kaiser:  it was my fault. I accidentally clicked on konv.
[07:24] <stisev> learning experience. ;)
[07:24] <stisev> control ESC did it thanks guys
[07:24] <stisev> noted for futur reference.
[07:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;) oh good. thanks
[07:27] <penguinboy> night guys!
[07:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> night penguinboy
[07:27] <stisev> night penguinboy 
[07:27] <stisev> Anyone here use Wine?
[07:27] <penguinboy> parting is such sweet sorrow
[07:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P thanks
[07:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> stisev: not a lot
[07:28] <stisev> I'm trying to install "Admuncher" in wine.  It seems like it did something. but where would it install the program?
[07:28] <stisev> Kamping_Kaiser: oh
[07:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> see ya penguinboy
[07:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> stisev: ~/.wine/
[07:28] <penguinboy> bye 
[07:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> bye
[07:30] <penguinboy> OUCH!
[07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[07:30] <penguinboy> thanks KK
[07:30] <monchy> hahah kaiser
[07:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[07:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[07:30] <penguinboy> I always knew you swung both ways!
[07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;) any time :D
[07:30] <monchy> has the whole world gone gay!
[07:31] <penguinboy> that's my theme.....any time....any where...any how...with a good looking guy!
[07:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[07:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[07:32] <penguinboy> this homo boy is going to bed...and always remeber....I am out...loud....proud....and 100%  in love with the monchmeister!
[07:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> night penguinboy
[07:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> again ;)
[07:32] <monchy> never
[07:32] <penguinboy> lol
[07:32] <monchy> i'll hang myself
[07:32] <penguinboy> just don;t tellliz4rd
[07:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[07:33] <penguinboy> Elvis has left the building!
[07:38] <liz4rd> i get this error:  error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:38] <liz4rd> when i try open alot of programs
[07:38] <liz4rd> and synaptic says i have them...
[07:38] <liz4rd> how do i fix this
[07:41] <stisev> hi all
[07:41] <stisev> what is the "best" Ftp client for KDE
[07:41] <stisev>  /linux/ubuntu
[07:42] <liz4rd> gftp
[07:44] <kalenedrael> i like using konqueror for ftp
[07:45] <SlicerDicer-> what does group uucp do?
[07:47] <stisev> liz4rd: I'm using gftp right now
[07:47] <stisev> but it's giving me some problems
[07:47] <stisev> STOR /Linux Links
[07:47] <stisev> 150 Opening data connection for Linux Links.
[07:47] <stisev> Error: Could not read from socket: Is a directory
[07:47] <stisev> Could not download /home/stisev/Desktop/Linux Links from local filesystem
[07:47] <stisev> Disconnecting from site 192.168.1.100
[07:47] <stisev> Error: Remote site local filesystem disconnected. Will reconnect in 30 seconds
[07:47] <stisev> shit. didn't mean to paste.
[07:51] <stisev> Anyone here know how to use Samba well?
[07:51] <stisev> I just installed it
[07:51] <stisev> but I have NO clue what I'm doing
[07:51] <stisev> lol
[07:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool. someone else with no clue
[07:51] <stisev> Kamping_Kaiser: in Samba or in general?
[07:51] <stisev> lol
[07:51] <stisev> (or both =p )
[07:52] <stisev> BRB have to switch to my windows box for a second. I'll be bac
[07:52] <stisev> er back
[07:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> samba in this case ;) i have no problems with being a prick
[07:56] <stisev> ok
[07:56] <stisev> back on Windows now
[07:56] <stisev> kind of weird without Konversation's tabs. hehe
[07:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[08:00] <godsmoke> stisev: you don't use xchat when you're on windows?
[08:01] <stisev> godsmoke,  Xchat is nice but I've found my favorite client on Windows
[08:01] <stisev> HydraIRC
[08:01] <stisev> HydraIRC v0.3.148 (18/Jan/2005) by Dominic Clifton aka Hydra - #HydraIRC on EFNet
[08:02] <godsmoke> yuck -- it's like a full-monitor design
[08:02] <stisev> eh
[08:02] <stisev> ?
[08:02] <stisev> It's truly an awesome IRC program
[08:02] <godsmoke> it's one of those guis with like all these panels everywhere
[08:02] <stisev> nono
[08:02] <stisev> you can customize it like crazy
[08:02] <godsmoke> I'm looking at their screenshot
[08:02] <stisev> remove all the panels if you prefer
[08:02] <godsmoke> anyway
[08:02] <stisev> the favorites options is the best
[08:02] <godsmoke> it looks overdesigned for my uses
[08:02] <stisev> and it's BLAZING fast
[08:02] <crimsun> frankly, I think X-Chat's interface is horrible
[08:02] <mrmanic> another case of different strokes for different folks
[08:03] <stisev> crimsun, I like konversation on linux
[08:03] <stisev> I still haven't found some apps on Linux that I have on windows
[08:03] <mrmanic> crimsun: what do you prefer?  EPIC?
[08:03] <godsmoke> konversation has got some good ideas -- same as kopete -- lacking on the implementation
[08:03] <stisev> AdMuncher for example.
[08:03] <crimsun> mrmanic, text-based goes to irssi, hands down
[08:03] <godsmoke> stisev: uh ... what are you talking about?
[08:03] <stisev> yea irssi is nice
[08:03] <godsmoke> they're going to be DIFFERENT
[08:03] <stisev> ?
[08:03] <stisev> godsmoke, I know, but alternatives I meant
[08:03] <crimsun> I don't think I've found a gui one I can really maneuvre in
[08:03] <godsmoke> if you list the -purpose- rather than the name of the program -- people can help you find programs to meet your needs
[08:04] <stisev> lol
[08:04] <stisev> it's an Ad Muncher
[08:04] <godsmoke> I'm certainly willing to help you with that
[08:04] <stisev> sure
[08:04] <stisev> ok
[08:04] <godsmoke> you mean ... an ad-blocking program?
[08:04] <stisev> Yea let me explain
[08:04] <godsmoke> I know what they are
[08:04] <stisev> there's probably nothing really like it
[08:04] <godsmoke> unless this thing is speical
[08:04] <stisev> yep it is
[08:04] <mrmanic> isn't the easiest thing just to set up a comprehensive hosts file?
[08:04] <stisev> It's very special
[08:04] <godsmoke> mrmanic: oh god no ...
[08:04] <godsmoke> that's the worst way to deal with it
[08:04] <stisev> mrmanic, no way
[08:04] <mrmanic> my hosts file is filled with things that I don't want.
[08:05] <stisev> mrmanic, AdMuncher works similar to that
[08:05] <godsmoke> stisev: just explain
[08:05] <stisev> mrmanic, but it does it better
[08:05] <stisev> godsmoke, OK
[08:05] <stisev> godsmoke, AdMuncher runs in the background
[08:05] <godsmoke> uh huh ...
[08:05] <stisev> godsmoke, it interacts with the browsers (FIrefox, Opera, IE, etc etc etc)
[08:05] <stisev> godsmoke, it kills all the ads that have "ad keywords" inside of the pages
[08:05] <stisev> the ad keywords are VERY specifically picked by ShannoW  (one of my friends
[08:05] <godsmoke> what is an "ad keyword"
[08:06] <stisev> let me paste one
[08:06] <stisev> http://www.dealsea.com/exec/d/
[08:06] <godsmoke> uh ok -- I want to know what they are -- not an example of one
[08:06] <stisev> Remove links to URL: .affiliatetracking.*?
[08:06] <stisev> that's an example.
[08:06] <godsmoke> ...
[08:06] <stisev> that's an ad keyword
[08:06] <godsmoke> that's regex
[08:06] <godsmoke> you idiot :)
[08:06] <stisev> affiliatetracking
[08:06] <stisev> ??
[08:06] <kinfo> what?
[08:06] <stisev> what's regex
[08:06] <godsmoke> regular expressions -- it's a language syntax used for searching text
[08:06] <stisev> ?O_O?
[08:06] <godsmoke> this is not admuncher's thing
[08:07] <godsmoke> this is their capitalizing on an invention of years ago
[08:07] <godsmoke> stupid buzzwords
[08:07] <stisev> is there a proggie that does something similar in lin?
[08:07] <stisev> er linux
[08:07] <godsmoke> stisev: privoxy is FAR FAR FAR more advanced than admuncher from what I can tell
[08:07] <godsmoke> it's a proxy -- 100% customizable -- very very powerful syntax
[08:07] <stisev> godsmoke, Privoxy? wtf?
[08:07] <stisev> I use Privoxy on my b0x
[08:07] <stisev> (Windows)
[08:07] <crimsun> (tor+privoxy)++
[08:07] <stisev> and tor
[08:08] <godsmoke> ok
[08:08] <stisev> I use Tor and Privoxy, but aren't they different things?
[08:08] <stisev> they're proxies.
[08:08] <godsmoke> tor is not a proxy, really
[08:08] <godsmoke> although stupid people call it that
[08:08] <stisev> heh
[08:08] <stisev> :)(
[08:09] <stisev> godsmoke, bu t it doesn't kill ads though
[08:09] <godsmoke> since they use it for the same purposes as someone else might use a proxy for
[08:09] <stisev> right?
[08:09] <godsmoke> tor is a network
[08:09] <godsmoke> it's a concept, really
[08:09] <godsmoke> a complicated onion-routing concept
[08:09] <godsmoke> it has nothing to do with this -- so let's leave it to a different discussion
[08:09] <stisev> godsmoke, does it allow for anonymous browsing?
[08:09] <godsmoke> it could be used for 'anonymous' browsing, yes
[08:10] <stisev> Is it "traceable"/
[08:10] <stisev> er ?
[08:10] <godsmoke> but it's not its main function by any means
[08:10] <godsmoke> that's a worthless discussion
[08:10] <stisev> everything is traceable, right?
[08:10] <godsmoke> I said stop :)
[08:10] <godsmoke> we were talking about ad-blocking
[08:10] <stisev> k
[08:10] <godsmoke> so let's complete that discussion
[08:10] <stisev> after that, can we continue this oen?
[08:10] <stisev> er one?
[08:10] <godsmoke> maybe
[08:10] <stisev> :-\
[08:11] <stisev> OK. let's continue Ad-conv'
[08:11] <stisev> Any suggestions for linux?
[08:11] <godsmoke> privoxy is not as automated as programs such as ad-muncher
[08:11] <godsmoke> yes -- PRIVOXY
[08:11] <godsmoke> for the 3rd time :)
[08:12] <stisev> OK. I don't understand
[08:12] <godsmoke> what, specifically, is confusing you
[08:12] <stisev> Is privacy(Win32) [08:12] <stisev> er privoxy(Win32) i meant
[08:12] <godsmoke> I don't know what "privacy" for win32 is
[08:12] <crimsun> just use privoxy on Kubuntu.
[08:13] <godsmoke> yes ...
[08:13] <stisev> They're the same thing?
[08:13] <godsmoke> privoxy is released for windows as well
[08:13] <godsmoke> this is not uncommon
[08:13] <godsmoke> well -- they're ports, but yes, same code base
[08:13] <stisev> I'm running it right now. How in the world does this filter ads at all?
[08:13] <godsmoke> ... read the manual
[08:13] <godsmoke> this is not #privoxy
[08:13] <godsmoke> you're asking for programs to help you do the same stuff you do in windows
[08:13] <stisev> you're right
[08:14] <stisev> I haven't discovered the true power of Privoxy
[08:14] <stisev> "Privoxy is a web proxy with advanced filtering capabilities for protecting privacy, modifying web page"
[08:14] <stisev> godsmoke: In that sense, it's more like Proxomitron
[08:14] <stisev> (the kind of ad filtering before AdMuncher came along
[08:14] <godsmoke> ....
[08:14] <stisev> ;-)
[08:15] <godsmoke> trust me -- privoxy is far more advanced than any windows ad-blocking application you can find
[08:15] <stisev> godsmoke: probably but you should seriously check out AdMuncher
[08:15] <stisev> Just give it a looksee.
[08:15] <godsmoke> no -- I shouldn't
[08:16] <stisev> It's catch rate is like 99%
[08:16] <godsmoke> because I don't use windows
[08:16] <stisev> heh
[08:16] <godsmoke> good for it -- that's just a database
[08:16] <godsmoke> someone can convert that database to privoxy with not much trouble
[08:16] <godsmoke> it's all regex
[08:17] <stisev> godsmoke, onion routing thing. Is this the same system created by the US Navy?
[08:17] <godsmoke> the program itself has little to do with how many ads it catches
[08:17] <stisev> http://www.onion-router.net/
[08:17] <stisev> do you use privoxy and tor together?
[08:17] <godsmoke> uh, no
[08:18] <stisev> o_O
[08:18] <stisev> brb 5-10 min. dog needs go do business
[08:18] <godsmoke> I'm not one of these "the government is watching me, so I should use retarded round-a-bout networks to obscure a website visit from them" people
[08:18] <stisev> lol
[08:30] <godsmoke> ...
[08:32] <mrmanic> I like the idea of tor
[08:32] <godsmoke> well, the "idea of tor" is not about making anonymous internet proxies
[08:33] <mrmanic> no
[08:33] <mrmanic> ?
[08:33] <godsmoke> god no
[08:33] <mrmanic> I thought that was exactly the idea of tor.
[08:33] <godsmoke> no
[08:33] <godsmoke> the idea of tor is creating anonymous access private networks
[08:33] <godsmoke> by "private" I mean non-internet
[08:33] <godsmoke> not, private as in, "you cannot come in"
[08:35] <mrmanic> I think we may have our wires crossed.
[08:35] <mrmanic> You mean tor, the onion-routing tool?
[08:35] <godsmoke> yes
[08:35] <godsmoke> it's actually a set of network tools
[08:35] <stisev> back
[08:35] <godsmoke> and a network itself
[08:36] <mrmanic> godsmoke: right, I'll agree with you there. 
[08:36] <godsmoke> hence it's nature is not to be a proxy for the internet
[08:36] <godsmoke> it's nature is to be a network
[08:36] <godsmoke> it can't be both
[08:36] <mrmanic> I disagree 
[08:36] <godsmoke> it CAN however, be a network, with proxies to the internet, which is what all the freaks will use it for
[08:37] <stisev> tor is actually pretty fast compared to other proxies
[08:37] <godsmoke> tor is not a proxy
[08:37] <stisev> heh
[08:37] <stisev> godsmoke: admuncher has a builtin feature called "IP Scramble"
[08:37] <godsmoke> in no way is it a proxy
[08:38] <stisev> Privoxy is though
[08:38] <stisev> tor is just the onion routing system right?
[08:38] <godsmoke> yes, privoxy is a proxy -- hence the name
[08:38] <godsmoke> right
[08:38] <godsmoke> it's like saying "vpn is a proxy"
[08:38] <mrmanic> godsmoke: ok, you win.
[08:38] <stisev> trivial jargon :p
[08:38] <godsmoke> it's complete crap
[08:38] <godsmoke> vpn is a proxy!!!
[08:38] <stisev> lol
[08:38] <stisev> Ad Muncher downloads a listing of proxies
[08:38] <stisev> IP Scrambler feature grabs it and for each "link" in the page, it uses a different proxy
[08:39] <stisev> that way your usage is spread out through different proxies.
[08:39] <godsmoke> so it cycles proxies ... this is VERY easy to do
[08:39] <stisev> nice idea, but it slows down browsing a lot
[08:39] <godsmoke> I'm sure
[08:39] <stisev> but it does it internally, in a clean easy-to-use package.
[08:39] <stisev> :p
[08:39] <godsmoke> I love these crap buzzwords
[08:39] <stisev> =p
[08:39] <godsmoke> "ipscramble"
[08:39] <stisev> godsmoke, you ever use Samba?
[08:39] <godsmoke> like they invented proxies
[08:40] <godsmoke> yes ... of course -- I live in the same world you do -- where linux machines have to communicate with windows machines
[08:40] <godsmoke> samba is like part of linux 101 for the past decade
[08:40] <stisev> I just installed it and am completely clueless as to how it works.
[08:40] <godsmoke> try reading the manual
[08:40] <stisev> Trying to figure out the web site's FAQ
[08:40] <stisev> [23:39]  <godsmoke> like they invented proxies
[08:40] <stisev> er nevermind that paste
[08:40] <mrmanic> godsmoke: you seem grouchy tonight.
[08:40] <stisev> stupid copy HydraIRC
[08:40] <stisev> grouchy ^ 50
[08:40] <stisev> :p
[08:41] <stisev> j/k
[08:41] <godsmoke> brb
[08:41] <stisev> k
[08:41] <stisev> hey mrmanic
[08:41] <stisev> do you use KOffice?
[08:41] <stisev> or KDE in general?
[08:41] <stisev> What's the difference between KOffice & OpenOffice.
[08:41] <mrmanic> stisev: I use KDE, but not koffice
[08:41] <stisev> Which is generally considered better?
[08:42] <mrmanic> stisev: koffice is more split out.  openoffice is generally considered better, as koffice is generally considered a less mature project.
[08:42] <stisev> woa
[08:42] <stisev> 584 megs
[08:42] <stisev> good lord.
[08:42] <mrmanic> for what?
[08:43] <stisev> The Koffic Kubuntu live CD
[08:43] <stisev> BRB going to linux
[08:43] <stisev> ;)
[08:43] <stisev> I should use virtual PC to run my Linux system on my windows system
[08:43] <stisev> I'm not sure how fast it'll be but instead of constantly dual-botting back & forth
[08:43] <stisev> :p
[08:44] <mrmanic> either that or give up windows altogether
[08:44] <mrmanic> :)
[08:44] <stisev> dual booting?
[08:44] <stisev> you dual boot?
[08:44] <mrmanic> no
[08:44] <stisev> virtual PC?
[08:44] <stisev> ohhhhhhh
[08:44] <mrmanic> I haven't booted into windows in months
[08:44] <stisev> lol
[08:44] <stisev> didn't see that
[08:44] <stisev> mrmanic, there's NO way I can drp windows.
[08:44] <mrmanic> that may be true
[08:44] <mrmanic> that may be false.
[08:45] <mrmanic> you never really know until you try.
[08:45] <mrmanic> that was my experience
[08:45] <mrmanic> I still run some windows programs.
[08:45] <mrmanic> on wine
[08:45] <stisev> I can work at least 2 times faster in windows than I can in Linux
[08:45] <mrmanic> :)
[08:45] <stisev> Wine doesn't run some of my proggies.
[08:45] <stisev> :(
[08:45] <m0ns00n> stisev: Which programs are that?
[08:45] <mrmanic> and there are no suitable linux replacements?
[08:45] <stisev> I've configured my Windows for over 10 years.
[08:45] <stisev> mrmanic, well, apparently there is (Privoxy)
[08:46] <godsmoke> back
[08:46] <stisev> godsmoke, wb
[08:46] <godsmoke> wine is crap, honestly -- and it should be used only as a complete last resort
[08:46] <stisev> mrmanic, there are software like Sony Vegas 6 (<-- OMG awesome) and Sony Sound Forge 8  I can never give up
[08:46] <godsmoke> what are those?
[08:47] <mrmanic> video editing and audio editing
[08:47] <mrmanic> respectively
[08:47] <stisev> Sony Vegas 6 is a ridiculously overpriced video editing program
[08:47] <stisev> yep
[08:47] <stisev> exactly.
[08:47] <stisev> Both are top-of-the-line in their respective categories (imo)
[08:47] <godsmoke> hahaha
[08:47] <stisev> I've used all the free/paid alternatives.
[08:47] <godsmoke> not even close man
[08:47] <stisev> ...
[08:47] <mrmanic> ?
[08:47] <godsmoke> ever used a $250,000 avid system?
[08:47] <stisev> Avid DVExpress?
[08:47] <godsmoke> don't talk about "top of the line"
[08:47] <godsmoke> no ...
[08:47] <stisev> Well, I sort of meant for the consumer.
[08:48] <godsmoke> final cut, hands down
[08:48] <godsmoke> has been for years
[08:48] <godsmoke> in that market
[08:48] <stisev> bleh
[08:48] <mrmanic> and premiere+aftereffects on windows, IMO
[08:48] <mrmanic> sp?
[08:48] <godsmoke> walk into any video shop ...
[08:48] <mrmanic> hrm
[08:48] <godsmoke> if they don't have avid -- it's final cut
[08:48] <godsmoke> just that simple
[08:48] <stisev> Final Cut is nice.
[08:48] <stisev> premiere? lol.
[08:48] <stisev> Vegas 6 is nicer interface ,imo.
[08:49] <godsmoke> premiere is horrible
[08:49] <godsmoke> anyway
[08:49] <mrmanic> I <3 premiere
[08:49] <stisev> Agreed.
[08:49] <stisev> Why?
[08:49] <godsmoke> linux is not a big video/audio editing platform ... there are some solutions -- but nothing impressive
[08:49] <mrmanic> but I <3 aftereffects more
[08:49] <stisev> Photoshop CS2 OWNS though
[08:49] <mrmanic> I guess premiere just what I learned.
[08:49] <stisev> godsmoke, what about sound ediitng
[08:49] <stisev> mrmanic, hehe.
[08:49] <godsmoke> I said "audio"
[08:49] <stisev> ?
 linux is not a big video/audio editing platform ... there are some solutions -- but nothing impressive
[08:50] <stisev> some solutions?
[08:50] <godsmoke> yes -- there are applications -- but you won't want to use them
[08:50] <stisev> There's a wonderful free alternative  on Windows called "Audacity"
[08:50] <godsmoke> audacity was linux first
[08:50] <stisev> open source IIRC
[08:50] <godsmoke> it's alright
[08:50] <stisev> http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/Audacity_for_Windows/1023856334/1
[08:50] <godsmoke> nothing too impressive
[08:50] <stisev> Ah, really?
[08:50] <godsmoke> yes, of course
[08:51] <godsmoke> it's pretty basic
[08:51] <stisev> yea.
[08:51] <stisev> For free, it's cool :)
[08:51] <godsmoke> but yep -- audacity is there if you want to use it
[08:51] <stisev> BRB guys. going back to linux.
[08:51] <stisev> don't say anything
[08:51] <stisev> :p
[08:54] <mrmanic> I heard ok things about kino, but I haven't used it myself.
[08:54] <godsmoke> haha
[08:54] <godsmoke> we're not talking about video editing toys
[08:54] <godsmoke> Kino is the iMovie for linux
[08:54] <mrmanic> yeah, but where's the FCP?
[08:54] <mrmanic> there is none
[08:54] <godsmoke> if you want to do video editing in linux -- Cinerella is the only option
[08:54] <godsmoke> yes, there is
[08:54] <mrmanic> Cinerella?
[08:54] <godsmoke> sigh
[08:55] <mrmanic> never heard of it
[08:55] <godsmoke> could you learn something about this before you argue it?
[08:55] <godsmoke> it's THE video editing platform for linux
[08:55] <godsmoke> http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3
[08:55] <stisev> back
[08:55] <godsmoke> Cinelerra is not for consumer use. If ease of use, simplicity, and convenience, or stylishness are your thing, you should use Virtualdub, Kino, MJPEG tools or MainActor instead.
[08:57] <godsmoke> stisev: so ...
[08:57] <godsmoke> gonna go on listing your needs?
[08:57] <stisev> ok 
[08:57] <stisev> *brushes teeth*
[08:58] <stisev> godsmoke: do you use KDE?
[08:58] <godsmoke> depends on the box
[08:58] <stisev> godsmoke:  er I meant KOffice.
[08:58] <godsmoke> no
[08:58] <stisev> OpenOffice?
[08:58] <godsmoke> yeah, the beta
[08:58] <stisev> Which is better?
[08:58] <stisev> iyo. 
[08:58] <stisev> (in your opinion
[08:58] <godsmoke> depends on your needs
[08:58] <stisev> explain.
[08:58] <godsmoke> it's not about "better"
[08:59] <stisev> heh yep. I try to avoid that word.
[08:59] <stisev> It always slips through though.
[08:59] <stisev> :-(
[08:59] <godsmoke> koffice is fast in kde -- the interface refresh is nice, and such
[08:59] <godsmoke> I find openoffice much more complete -- it opens and saves in more formats -- has fewer bugs -- but is large and obnoxious
[08:59] <godsmoke> I use openoffice on a dual opteron with 4 gb of ram -- so I don't really care how slow it normally is
[09:00] <stisev> lol
[09:00] <stisev> good god.
[09:00] <godsmoke> but, on slow systems, I'd opt for koffice
[09:00] <godsmoke> since it's written for kde
[09:00] <stisev> I almost went for Dual Opterons on AMD's deal.
[09:00] <stisev> 1.6 P-M laptop here. 1GB RAM. 7K60 Hitachi HD. 
[09:00] <godsmoke> plenty fast
[09:00] <stisev> Yep.
[09:00] <godsmoke> so, next question
[09:01] <stisev> godsmoke:May I ask an OT troubleshooting q next?
[09:01] <godsmoke> OT?
[09:01] <stisev> well, sort of OT
[09:01] <godsmoke> ohh -- "off topic"
[09:01] <stisev> yea
[09:01] <godsmoke> sorry -- not up with the internet lingo
[09:01] <stisev> hehe
[09:01] <stisev> godsmoke: I could've swore that K-menu had small icons in it
[09:01] <godsmoke> uh, go ahead -- I'll either answer it or not
[09:01] <stisev> godsmoke: it doesn't seem to have it anymore.
[09:01] <godsmoke> you can disable them
[09:01] <godsmoke> it's in the control center thing
[09:01] <stisev> godsmoke: Am I, uh, hallucinating?
 it's in the control center thing
[09:02] <stisev> godsmoke: Acknowledged. Let me check it out. I want to reenable it.
[09:02] <godsmoke> under appearance prefs or something
[09:02] <godsmoke> I turn them off, because they do lots of disk lookups
[09:02] <godsmoke> especially killer on my laptop
[09:02] <godsmoke> I like my menus to snap up immediately
[09:04] <stisev> Argh. I can't find it.
[09:04] <godsmoke> sigh
[09:04] <godsmoke> let me pull up a kde system
[09:04] <godsmoke> have to find one
[09:04] <stisev> thanks for the help.
[09:04] <godsmoke> I'm going to be pissed when it's right there
[09:04] <godsmoke> in plain sight
[09:04] <godsmoke> which I'm 98% sure it is
[09:05] <stisev> lol
[09:07] <quam> kynaptic is a piece of shit, why doesnt kubuntu come with synaptic :p
[09:08] <stisev> quam: hi
[09:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> it doesnt start with k :)
[09:08] <stisev> quam: why is kynaptic?
[09:08] <mrmanic> quam: why don't you use kynaptic to download synaptic?
[09:08] <godsmoke> quam: because kubuntu is like a few people -- they're not major developers
[09:08] <fredrik> i'm having problems with the resolution of my screen, it's only 800x600. Can anyone help me?
[09:08] <godsmoke> can't you do anything yourself?
[09:09] <stisev> godsmoke:  ?
[09:09] <stisev> Don't tell me you found it in appearanceS?
[09:10] <quam> mrmaniac: i did, i was just in the mood to bitch about something :P sorry
[09:10] <stisev> quam: heh
[09:10] <mrmanic> quam: oh ok. :)
[09:10] <quam> also, when i open a konsole and do session >> new root shell
[09:10] <stisev> godsmoke: next up I've got a cracker of a tech problem for you ;)
[09:10] <quam> when i type in my password, it doesnt work
[09:10] <quam> so i guess it doesnt use sudo
[09:11] <fredrik> screen
[09:11] <quam> however, it worked before when i installed ubuntu and then kubuntu on top of that
[09:11] <quam> so i dunno what's going on
[09:11] <godsmoke> quam: what ...?
[09:11] <mrmanic> quam: sudo -i doesn't do what you want?
[09:11] <quam> im sure it will, i was just trying to use "new root shell" like i did before
[09:12] <godsmoke> stisev: I have no idea where it is
[09:13] <stisev> godsmoke: yea I can't find it either
[09:13] <stisev> :-\
[09:13] <godsmoke> just deal with it
[09:13] <stisev> next up 
[09:13] <stisev> godsmoke: I'm having problems installing a file.
[09:13] <stisev> et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[09:13] <stisev> (Enemy Territory)
[09:13] <godsmoke> "installing a file"
[09:13] <stisev> this is what I did so far.
[09:13] <godsmoke> let's start with terminology -- you can't "install files"
[09:13] <stisev> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
chmod +x et-linux-2.60.x86.run</STRONG> (make executable)<BR/>
[09:13] <stisev>         <STRONG>sh et-linux-2.60.x86.run</STRONG> (run installer)<BR/>
[09:13] <stisev>         <BR/></body>
[09:13] <stisev> omg
[09:13] <godsmoke> do NOT paste in here
[09:14] <stisev> sorry.
[09:14] <godsmoke> find a pastebin
[09:14] <stisev> accidentally hit it in the wrong place 
[09:14] <stisev> pastebin?
[09:14] <godsmoke> http://pastebin.com/
[09:14] <mrmanic> www.pastebin.ca
[09:15] <intulor> sorry, server went down i guess
[09:15] <godsmoke> stisev: could we speed this up?
[09:16] <stisev> oh cool concept.
[09:16] <stisev> http://pastebin.com/307140
[09:16] <stisev> godsmoke: check that
[09:16] <godsmoke> uh huh ...
[09:16] <stisev> You want to speed this up? lol.
[09:16] <stisev> *cracks knuckles*
[09:16] <stisev> godsmoke:  those are the steps i've done so far.
[09:16] <godsmoke> good for you
[09:16] <stisev> but it gives me an error message.
[09:16] <stisev> stand by for the message.
[09:17] <stisev> extraction error or somethin
[09:17] <godsmoke> uh huh ...
[09:17] <godsmoke> sounds like the thing is corrupt
[09:17] <stisev> every time. I've downloaded it 3 times from 3 different places though
[09:17] <godsmoke> heh
[09:17] <godsmoke> ok -- let's see the error specifically then
[09:18] <stisev> ok hre goes.
[09:18] <stisev> (not going to paste. just waiting for the message =p )
[09:19] <stisev> "Uncompressing Enemy Territory 2.60 Full Install"
[09:19] <stisev> .......... ............
[09:19] <godsmoke> well, paste it into a pastebin (the entire output)
[09:19] <stisev> And then "Extraction Failed"
[09:19] <stisev> k
[09:19] <godsmoke> ok
[09:19] <godsmoke> nevermind
[09:19] <godsmoke> it just sounds corrupt
[09:19] <stisev> Signal Caught. Cleaning Up.
[09:19] <godsmoke> I mean -- the thing is a shell script
[09:19] <godsmoke> but paste the entire output, including the error in a pastebin
[09:19] <godsmoke> and I'll look at it
[09:20] <stisev> k
[09:20] <stisev> http://pastebin.com/307147
[09:20] <stisev> there
[09:21] <godsmoke> wait, does it need to be run as root?
[09:21] <stisev> I did sudo
[09:21] <stisev> I'm not sure if it needs to be
[09:21] <godsmoke> I know you did -- I'm asking if you told you to run it as root
[09:21] <godsmoke> if it told you*
[09:22] <stisev> er I think it gave some error message if it I didn't.
[09:22] <godsmoke> ok
[09:22] <godsmoke> well -- I mean ... this is obviously their installer
[09:22] <stisev> godsmoke:  http://pastebin.com/307149
[09:22] <stisev> that's the error without sudo
[09:22] <godsmoke> it's producing nonsense error messages -- "failed" -- woohoo
[09:22] <godsmoke> ah ok -- so it did need tmp access
[09:22] <godsmoke> anyway
[09:23] <godsmoke> I wish the thing outputted a better error
[09:23] <stisev> yea
[09:24] <stisev> "You must have an account download from here" <------ fucking bullshit
[09:24] <godsmoke> just for good measure, check the md5
[09:24] <stisev> I hate registering.
[09:24] <stisev> godsmoke: what's the easiest way to do that.
[09:24] <godsmoke> use a torrent
[09:24] <godsmoke> 71d938bbc6afddbfab73390333964e9d
[09:24] <godsmoke> md5sum NAMEOFFILE
[09:24] <stisev> k
[09:24] <godsmoke> check it against that
[09:25] <stisev> are one-line pastes OK here?
[09:25] <godsmoke> sure
[09:25] <stisev> 2d2373f29f02e18d365d7f1860eee435  et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[09:26] <stisev> but what's going to act as my reference MD5?
[09:26] <godsmoke> ahh -- sorry
[09:26] <godsmoke> that md5 I fed you was for 2.55
[09:26] <stisev> heh
[09:26] <stisev> Where did you find that Md5?
[09:27] <godsmoke> on some forum
[09:27] <godsmoke> 2d2373f29f02e18d365d7f1860eee435 
[09:27] <godsmoke> there's the right one
[09:27] <godsmoke> matches just fine
[09:27] <godsmoke> alright
[09:27] <godsmoke> well, it's not a corruption problem
[09:27] <stisev> weird.
[09:27] <stisev> wtf
[09:27] <godsmoke> do you have enough free space for this in tmp?
[09:27] <stisev> No idea.
[09:28] <stisev> Ohhhhhhh maybe
[09:28] <stisev> lol
[09:28] <stisev> is there a GUI-way to check disk space
[09:28] <godsmoke> heh
[09:28] <godsmoke> just open a terminal
[09:28] <stisev> yep
[09:28] <godsmoke> and type "df"
[09:28] <stisev> disk free :)
[09:28] <godsmoke> and paste it here
[09:28] <stisev> paste it here?
[09:28] <godsmoke> yea
[09:28] <stisev> I thought no pasting?
[09:28] <godsmoke> shouldn't be too long
[09:29] <stisev> Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[09:29] <stisev> /dev/hda6              2419256   2326168         0 100% /
[09:29] <stisev> tmpfs                   453328         0    453328   0% /dev/shm
[09:29] <stisev> /dev/hda7              9677928    575092   8611316   7% /home
[09:29] <stisev> /dev                   2419256   2326168         0 100% /.dev
[09:29] <stisev> none                      5120      2836      2284  56% /dev
[09:29] <godsmoke> just don't want a lot of crap in the channel -- should be like 4 lines max
[09:29] <godsmoke> ok
[09:29] <stisev> that explains that.
[09:29] <godsmoke> well, you're out of disk space
[09:29] <godsmoke> :)
[09:29] <stisev> omfg.
[09:29] <stisev> godsmoke:  is there any way to remedy this?
[09:29] <godsmoke> yes ... get a bigger hard drive :)
[09:29] <stisev> I've 8.6GB available to /dev/hda7
[09:29] <stisev> any way to allocate some of that the temp dir
[09:29] <godsmoke> that's your home partition
[09:30] <godsmoke> no ...
[09:30] <godsmoke> not without resizing partitions
[09:30] <stisev> Well, can I do that?
[09:30] <godsmoke> no
[09:30] <stisev> o_O
[09:30] <stisev> I use Partition Magic in windows.
[09:30] <godsmoke> it's a painful process -- you never want to do it
[09:30] <stisev> in linux?
[09:30] <godsmoke> yeah, partition magic is a piece of shit -- it corrupts disks constantly
[09:30] <stisev> Always worked fine for me :p
[09:31] <stisev> (Latest - 8 )
[09:31] <godsmoke> good for you -- I don't use it -- feel free to if you want
[09:31] <stisev> ok but can you explain some things to me
[09:31] <stisev> I'm a little confused by some of the linux-jargon  that I posted above.
[09:31] <stisev> what _is_ /dev/hda6
[09:31] <stisev> what does it stand for?
[09:31] <godsmoke> partition number 6 on hard drive a
[09:32] <stisev> tmpfs?
[09:32] <godsmoke> hdX#
[09:32] <godsmoke> temporary file system
[09:32] <stisev>  dev?
[09:32] <godsmoke> device
[09:32] <stisev> and finally "none"?
[09:32] <godsmoke> just what it means ... none
[09:33] <stisev> argh hold on. Openoffice is frozen
[09:33] <stisev> (at startup)
[09:33] <godsmoke> anyway -- this is a serious problem:
 /dev/hda6              2419256   2326168         0 100% /
[09:34] <godsmoke> you have absolutely no space left on your main drive
[09:34] <stisev> :(
[09:34] <godsmoke> I don't know why your / partition is 2.x GB
[09:34] <godsmoke> that's insanely small
[09:34] <stisev> hehe
[09:34] <godsmoke> all of your installed applications have to fit in there
[09:34] <stisev> I was running off 2 consecutive hours of sleep in 2 days when I installed linux
[09:34] <stisev> godsmoke: recommendations?
[09:35] <godsmoke> yes ... reformat the drive -- make the partitions right
[09:35] <stisev> as I suspected.
[09:35] <stisev> humor me: can partition magic resize them, without any care as to data corruption?
[09:36] <godsmoke> as long as partition magic supports all major linux partitions, sure
[09:36] <godsmoke> I don't keep tabs on it
[09:36] <stisev> interesting.
[09:36] <stisev> godsmoke:  openoffice is stuck. I'm in processtable right now, but which process is it?
[09:36] <godsmoke> openoffice ...
[09:36] <stisev> got it 
[09:36] <godsmoke> sigh
[09:36] <stisev> Missed it twice.
[09:36] <stisev> hehe
[09:36] <buz> might also be called swriter etc
[09:37] <stisev> buz: that's what it was IIRC
[09:37] <stisev> IIRC = 10 seconds ago
[09:37] <stisev> lol
[09:37] <stisev> godsmoke:  when partitioning for linux
[09:37] <stisev> it's a little different than windows, isn't it?
[09:37] <godsmoke> sort of
[09:37] <stisev> Do I really need hda6 & 7?
[09:37] <godsmoke> depends on how you want to do things
[09:37] <godsmoke> NEED? no
[09:37] <stisev> explain.
[09:37] <godsmoke> well -- linux is all about control
[09:38] <godsmoke> likewise -- you can control how your data is separated
[09:38] <godsmoke> seasoned linux users tend to be very particular about this
[09:38] <godsmoke> it prevents certain things from happening
[09:38] <godsmoke> (separating your partitions)
[09:38] <godsmoke> it's smart in many cases
[09:38] <godsmoke> but you don't NEED to
[09:38] <godsmoke> all you need is a / partition, and swap space
[09:39] <godsmoke> windows just uses the main partition and creates a swap file in it -- this is retarded
[09:39] <stisev> which one of the aforementioned partitions was the swap space?
[09:39] <stisev> godsmoke:  why?
[09:39] <godsmoke> tmpfs
[09:39] <stisev> ah
[09:39] <godsmoke> because when your windows drive gets below a certain size -- windows can barely function
[09:39] <stisev> that's what the purpose is then.
[09:39] <stisev> Used (0) -- nothing has been paged.
[09:39] <godsmoke> however ...
[09:39] <godsmoke> with a linux swap fs -- it's dedicated space
[09:40] <godsmoke> the way swap filesystems are supposed to be
[09:40] <stisev> godsmoke: I initially installed using Ubuntu. I'm downloading Kubuntu this time.
[09:40] <godsmoke> that's why windows goes nuts when you have like 10 MB left on your drive
[09:40] <stisev> godsmoke: yep
[09:40] <stisev> godsmoke: well, isn't that for people who don't have enough RAM?
[09:40] <godsmoke> yes and no
[09:40] <stisev> not enough ram = paging things to disk.
[09:41] <godsmoke> virtually everyone will use swap at some point
[09:41] <godsmoke> yes -- but, it's used for other things
[09:41] <stisev> such as?
[09:41] <buz> last time my system had to swap i resetted it after 3 min of no reaction whatsoever
[09:41] <godsmoke> such as enemy territory extracting temporary files :)
[09:41] <buz> the 2.6.10 vm must suck
[09:41] <stisev> hehe 
[09:41] <stisev> Damn Linux is very cool
[09:41] <godsmoke> in windows -- it just puts them in some random crap directory
[09:41] <godsmoke> also stupid
[09:41] <stisev> Just the concept is cool.
[09:42] <stisev> Everything revolves around being free and open source.
[09:42] <stisev> I love the community aspect of it.
[09:42] <stisev> godsmoke:  are there any Adobe Photoshop CS2-type programs other than GiMP/
[09:42] <buz> not really
[09:42] <godsmoke> nope -- gimp may look different -- but it's extremely powerful
[09:42] <stisev> yep it is.
[09:42] <buz> krita maybe, but that's more in line with paintshop pro
[09:42] <unome> gimp is as good as ps
[09:42] <buz> i doubt it
[09:43] <godsmoke> it's extremely powerful
[09:43] <godsmoke> buz: it is
[09:43] <buz> its powerful
[09:43] <buz> but it's nowhere near photoshop
[09:43] <godsmoke> that's just not true
[09:43] <buz> then why do people spend 1000$ for photoshop?
[09:43] <godsmoke> because they don't know any better
[09:43] <stisev> Photoshop CS2 is insane.
[09:43] <godsmoke> why do people spend $200 on windows?
[09:44] <godsmoke> and why do people spend $80/year on "anti-hacker" software?
[09:44] <buz> because linux doesn't run photoshop cs
[09:44] <godsmoke> dare I continue?
[09:44] <unome> why people spend $3000 on computers they can build for $1000?
[09:44] <stisev> buz: bahahaha
[09:44] <buz> really, even the open source fans among the graphic artists all pay for photoshop
[09:45] <stisev> (I was laughing @<buz> because linux doesn't run photoshop cs)
[09:45] <stisev> No, I agree with you though buz.
[09:45] <buz> for my uses, krita is fine
[09:45] <stisev> Admittedly, I haven't used GiMP extensively
[09:45] <buz> for serious graphic works, nothing beats PS
[09:45] <stisev> but Photoshop CS2 is unbelievably complex.
[09:46] <stisev> I've used it for 6 years and I haven't even barely scratched the surface.
[09:46] <stisev> that's after taking three classes too
[09:46] <stisev> hehe
[09:46] <godsmoke> you've used cs2 for 6 years?
[09:46] <godsmoke> impressive
[09:46] <stisev> =p
[09:46] <stisev> You know what I meant.
[09:46] <stisev> Photoshop in general
[09:46] <stisev> .
[09:47] <godsmoke> more questions?
[09:47] <stisev> thank jebus Opera is on linux.
[09:47] <stisev> er yea i'm trying to think of what other apps I use on windows.
[09:48] <godsmoke> oh my god
[09:48] <godsmoke> opera is a pile of crap
[09:48] <stisev> godsmoke: oddly enough, roughly 15% of my apps are based on security/adware/Antivirus.
[09:48] <buz> yeah i dont see why anyone would use opera
[09:48] <stisev> godsmoke: you have no taste in browsers then.
[09:48] <godsmoke> security, eh?
[09:48] <godsmoke> I used opera like 50 years ago
[09:48] <stisev> godsmoke: e.g. autoruns, rootkill revealer, etc.
[09:48] <godsmoke> when it was the only half-decent thing around
[09:48] <stisev> godsmoke:  Opera is the best browser yet.
[09:49] <stisev> Pray tell, What browser is better?
[09:49] <stisev> And please don't say Firefox.
[09:49] <godsmoke> konq
[09:49] <stisev> Konqueror?
[09:49] <stisev> You're joking right?
[09:49] <godsmoke> opera is clunky as hell
[09:49] <godsmoke> yes
[09:49] <godsmoke> not at all
[09:49] <stisev> Clunky? WTF?
[09:49] <buz> opera feels like 90s software
[09:50] <stisev> You *DO* realize you can configure virtually *every* aspect of opera's design right?
[09:50] <godsmoke> stisev: do you have any more questions?
[09:50] <godsmoke> it's not a design problem
[09:50] <stisev> what problem is it?
[09:50] <stisev> godsmoke: coming up. errr what other programs do I use?
[09:50] <godsmoke> the interface is weighed down -- uses some hybrid graphics system
[09:50] <stisev> what do you mean by "interface"?
[09:50] <godsmoke> uh -- the ui
[09:51] <godsmoke> as in -- widgets
[09:51] <stisev> skin? general structure?
[09:51] <stisev> you can configure all of it.
[09:51] <godsmoke> no
[09:51] <godsmoke> as in the graphics library
[09:51] <stisev> No idea what the means. :(
[09:51] <godsmoke> then I can't discuss it with you
[09:51] <godsmoke> since you don't know anything about the issue
[09:52] <buz> does opera use some custom graphics lib?
[09:52] <godsmoke> opera uses hacked up qt
[09:52] <buz> qt still  beats firefox gtk
[09:52] <godsmoke> yes
[09:52] <buz> but nothign beats firefox extensions
[09:52] <godsmoke> right
[09:52] <godsmoke> each browser has their strengths
[09:52] <godsmoke> nothing is king here
[09:52] <stisev> firefox extensions?
[09:52] <stisev> don't make me laugh.
[09:52] <godsmoke> yes -- it's the most popular browser by so far
[09:53] <stisev> popular != best
[09:53] <godsmoke> the extension list beats any other browser out there
[09:53] <stisev> "best"
[09:53] <stisev> Firefox extensions are the strengths and weakness of FF
[09:53] <godsmoke> right .... but popular means mucho extensionos
[09:53] <godsmoke> anyway
[09:53] <buz> and some extensions i cant live without
[09:53] <godsmoke> on with your list ...
[09:53] <godsmoke> or I'm going to bed
[09:53] <stisev> FF has what 6% of browser marketshare?
[09:53] <stisev> er ok
[09:53] <stisev> let's see.
[09:54] <buz> under linux its probably closer to 95%
[09:54] <stisev> I'm thinking mythodically here. down the list of apps, trying to figure out if there are any programs that I haven't found alread
[09:54] <stisev> Well, what you're favorite video/mp3 player
[09:54] <stisev> what are your favorite player(s)
[09:54] <godsmoke> firefox has 25.6% of the browser share as of June 2005
[09:54] <buz> in the general web? i doubt it
[09:54] <buz> on geek sites, sure
[09:54] <godsmoke> IE6 is more popular -- but we don't care about people who can't use their keyboards
[09:54] <godsmoke> it ABSOLUTELY IS
[09:54] <stisev> link?
[09:54] <godsmoke> check your facts
[09:55] <godsmoke> http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
[09:55] <buz> we3schools is geek territory
[09:55] <buz> i doubt your mother goes there
[09:55] <stisev> First google result
[09:55] <godsmoke> no
[09:55] <stisev> godsmoke: Opera will *always* be underrepresented.
[09:55] <godsmoke> everyone and their mom uses firefox now
[09:55] <godsmoke> of course it will
[09:55] <stisev> I identify as IE6.
[09:55] <godsmoke> because nobody wants to pay for a browser
[09:55] <stisev> because most sites break Opera.
[09:55] <godsmoke> anyway
[09:56] <godsmoke> your list, or I'm going to bed
[09:56] <buz> as for media players, vlc, xine and mplayer
[09:56] <godsmoke> ok ...
[09:56] <godsmoke> what about them?
[09:56] <buz> thats the one i'd install :)
[09:56] <stisev> I've got mplayer
[09:56] <stisev> not xine
[09:56] <stisev> is VLC any good?
[09:56] <stisev> On Windows it's notoriously buggy.
[09:56] <buz> nah 
[09:57] <godsmoke> dude -- just tell us what you want from your media player
[09:57] <buz> it works fine on win
[09:57] <stisev> You guys don't have Media Player Classic ported by any chance?
[09:57] <buz> tho it works best on osx
[09:57] <buz> nah
[09:57] <godsmoke> ported?
[09:57] <godsmoke> wtf?
[09:57] <buz> we have better players than that
[09:57] <stisev> ah
[09:57] <godsmoke> just say what you want from the media player
[09:57] <stisev> how about this.
[09:57] <godsmoke> and stop this nonsense
[09:57] <stisev> godsmoke:  DirectConnect client.
[09:57] <stisev> godsmoke:  Any alternatives to OEM one?
[09:57] <godsmoke> DC++
[09:58] <stisev> On Windows, we've got BlackClaw coding BCDC++ and OperaDC++ (Sp?)
[09:58] <stisev> are there any hacked versions of DC++ for linux yet?
[09:58] <godsmoke> oh wait -- is dc++ only windows? -- I don't keep track of this crap
[09:58] <godsmoke> there's a popular one -- let me think of it
[09:58] <stisev> I'm not sure.
[09:58] <stisev> I don't think it's win32 only.
[09:58] <buz> apt doesnt know anything about one
[09:59] <stisev> there's LDCC
[09:59] <godsmoke> no, there are others
[09:59] <godsmoke> let me think of the popular one
[09:59] <stisev> godsmoke: DCQT?
[09:59] <godsmoke> valknut
[10:00] <stisev> Isn't that for Macintohs?
[10:00] <stisev> er Mac
[10:00] <godsmoke> no
[10:00] <godsmoke> not even close
[10:00] <godsmoke> http://dcgui.berlios.de/
[10:00] <stisev> Er, it does exist for mac but it's also on linux
[10:00] <buz> is DC any good?
[10:00] <godsmoke> no
[10:00] <buz> i think i've never used it
[10:01] <stisev> \no?
[10:01] <godsmoke> the protocol only belongs in colleges
[10:01] <godsmoke> there's no use for it on the internet
[10:01] <stisev> o_O
[10:01] <godsmoke> single-user download?
[10:01] <godsmoke> wtf is this crap?
[10:01] <godsmoke> 1987?
[10:01] <buz> single user download?
[10:01] <godsmoke> yeah
[10:01] <stisev> yea
[10:01] <buz> i'm not gonna use it then :)
[10:01] <stisev> it's not multi-user.
[10:01] <stisev> It's very good if you have a good server.
[10:01] <godsmoke> dc is for college networks
[10:01] <buz> as for colleges, one can stick to smbbrowsers to find all sortts of interesting things
[10:01] <stisev> But it's another source.
[10:01] <godsmoke> where speed doesn't matter
[10:01] <stisev> godsmoke:  what's your favorite?
[10:02] <stisev> Mine is eMule & BT
[10:02] <godsmoke> stisev: for what?
[10:02] <buz> usenet
[10:02] <stisev> Usenet rules.
[10:02] <godsmoke> depends on the object I'm looking for
[10:02] <stisev> godsmoke: general "stuff" ;)
[10:02] <godsmoke> emule is great for rare stuff -- usenet is great for new stuff -- bittorrent is great for popular stuff
[10:02] <stisev> exactly.
[10:02] <buz> usenet is great for FAST downloads of new stuff without the mpaa watching
[10:02] <stisev> DC++ is great for a desperate last chance to find a rare file
[10:02] <stisev> :p
[10:03] <godsmoke> heh
[10:03] <stisev> buz:  yep. I usually max my connect there.
[10:03] <godsmoke> anyway
[10:03] <stisev> 1.3MB/sec.
[10:03] <godsmoke> MB? or Mb?
[10:03] <stisev> MB
[10:03] <stisev> megabytyes.
[10:03] <godsmoke> what connection is that?
[10:03] <stisev> RCN Cable Megamodem MACH10
[10:03] <godsmoke> ah
[10:03] <stisev> 100kilobytes upload.
[10:03] <godsmoke> yes, my friend is having that installed
[10:03] <stisev> godsmoke:  where at?
[10:03] <stisev> godsmoke:  which city?
[10:03] <godsmoke> nyc
[10:03] <buz> sheesh i want 12mbit cable
[10:03] <stisev> Ah, cool.
[10:03] <stisev> godsmoke:  No OOL?
[10:03] <godsmoke> buz: it's 10mb
[10:04] <stisev> (optimum online?)
[10:04] <godsmoke> stisev: not in nyc
[10:04] <stisev> godsmoke:  huh?
[10:04] <godsmoke> his building is rcn
[10:04] <stisev> godsmoke: OOL is based in NYC
[10:04] <stisev> OOL only does NYC.
[10:04] <stisev> OT: Do viruses exist on linux?
[10:04] <buz> 10mb? 1.3MB is very good for 10mbit
[10:04] <godsmoke> in the bronx
[10:04] <buz> stisev: not really
[10:04] <stisev> buz: malware?
[10:04] <godsmoke> not in manhattan
[10:04] <stisev> godsmoke: Lookout for Verizon Fiber.
[10:04] <buz> there are a few worms around
[10:04] <godsmoke> optimum online is nowhere in manhattan
[10:04] <stisev> godsmoke:  $50 a month for 15Mbit (Verizon Fiber)
[10:04] <godsmoke> manhattan is time warner territory
[10:04] <stisev> godsmoke:  hehe
[10:05] <buz> but in general, virus writrs dont attack linux
[10:05] <godsmoke> I know whatit costs
[10:05] <godsmoke> it won't be in manhattan for years
[10:05] <buz> its kinda hard anyway
[10:05] <stisev> buz>: o_O
[10:05] <stisev> buz:  explain?
[10:05] <buz> read about the unix architecture
[10:05] <godsmoke> viruses have existed on linux
[10:05] <stisev> What about malware?
[10:05] <godsmoke> they're generally ineffective
[10:05] <godsmoke> malware?
[10:05] <godsmoke> wtf?
[10:05] <godsmoke> like?
[10:05] <buz> having said that, if someone sends you an executable, you're probably don't want to run it ;)
[10:05] <stisev> adware I mean.
[10:05] <godsmoke> adware?
[10:05] <stisev> Gator for windows.
[10:05] <stisev> hehe
[10:05] <godsmoke> that crap isn't in linux
[10:05] <stisev> that answers that =p
[10:05] <buz> mhh not if you install stuff from the ubuntu repositories
[10:05] <godsmoke> nobody uses it
[10:06] <stisev> omfg. 
[10:06] <stisev> my download paused .3 MB away (Kubuntu)
[10:06] <stisev> 583.6 ->.9
[10:06] <stisev> OK done. had to resume.
[10:06] <godsmoke> torrent?
[10:06] <stisev> Nope HTTP
[10:06] <stisev> godsmoke: what's the "best" ( ;) ) torrent app?
[10:07] <buz> azureus
[10:07] <stisev> GnomeBT?
[10:07] <godsmoke> heh
[10:07] <godsmoke> that's sorta tough
[10:07] <stisev> Azureus? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[10:07] <buz> we generally dont like gnome here 
[10:07] <godsmoke> azureus is by far the leader in popularity
[10:07] <stisev> Azureus blows hoards of donkey balls on Windows.
[10:07] <godsmoke> but java is honestly, worse that the most horrible smelling crap on the planet
[10:07] <buz> pfff
[10:07] <stisev> java blows.
[10:07] <godsmoke> I use azureus -- but, I hate doing it
[10:07] <stisev> godsmoke: alternatives?
[10:07] <godsmoke> there's nothing that competes in features
[10:08] <buz> java would be a good language if it wasn't for swing, but thankfully, azureus uses SWT
[10:08] <stisev> Have you guys ever used BitComet?
[10:08] <stisev> (Win32)
[10:08] <godsmoke> yeah
[10:08] <godsmoke> it's not impressive
[10:08] <stisev> godsmoke:  anything like it?
[10:08] <stisev> what are you talking about?
[10:08] <stisev> not impressive?
[10:08] <godsmoke> yeah -- it's super-simple
[10:08] <stisev> the feature set, obviously.
[10:08] <stisev> Exactly
[10:08] <godsmoke> right ... if you want that -- there's plenty of options
[10:08] <stisev> but it's the BEST hands down for CPU-hunger.
[10:09] <stisev> well, godsmoke, what other features are there.
[10:09] <godsmoke> heh
[10:09] <Mace68> Sorry to but in but I have a quick question...
[10:09] <stisev> Mace68: please go ahead.
[10:09] <stisev> buz:  what's up with Gnome? Why do you guys hate it?
[10:09] <godsmoke> azureus is a well-made client -- I'd love it if it were writen in a good language
[10:09] <stisev> buz:  er dislike/not like it
[10:09] <godsmoke> stisev: oh boy ...
[10:09] <buz> java is a good language
[10:09] <stisev> godsmoke:  ;)
[10:09] <Mace68> would this work for a nice compressed image of a disk?
[10:09] <godsmoke> java is a horrible language
[10:09] <Mace68> dd if=/dev/zero of=/0bits bs=20M
[10:09] <Mace68> rm /0bits
[10:09] <Mace68> dd bs=900K if=/dev/hda | bzip2 -v -9 > /media/sdb1/backup/drifter/drifter.iso.bz2
[10:09] <buz> ever used it?
[10:09] <godsmoke> yes
[10:10] <godsmoke> in fact -- it was the first real programming I did
[10:10] <stisev> buz: ? me?
[10:10] <godsmoke> and I hated it with a passion from day 2
[10:10] <buz> the one bad thing about it is the fact that it wants shitload of configuration
[10:10] <stisev> buz: I've used Gnome.
[10:10] <godsmoke> stisev: anyway ...
[10:10] <buz> but the language itself is clean
[10:10] <godsmoke> gnome is ... crap, in one word
[10:10] <godsmoke> gtk is crap
[10:10] <godsmoke> so gnome is crap
[10:10] <godsmoke> gtk is like the IE of graphics libraries
[10:10] <buz> and in extension, gimp is crap as i was saying before :)
[10:10] <stisev> Isn't GIMP GTK?
[10:10] <godsmoke> it's messy, and bad, and coded like hell
[10:11] <godsmoke> stisev: sure ... everything gnome is gtk
[10:11] <buz> and qt is like the rolls royce of C++
[10:11] <stisev> Why is GTK so bad?
[10:11] <godsmoke> heh
[10:11] <buz> or any libs, for that matter
[10:11] <godsmoke> because it's MESSY and SLOW
[10:11] <buz> now, C++ is a seriously fucked up language
[10:11] <godsmoke> it's horrible to code in
[10:11] <godsmoke> buz: you're treading on dangerous ground
[10:11] <stisev> buz: why's that?
[10:12] <stisev> godsmoke:  do you use eMule?
[10:12] <godsmoke> no
[10:12] <godsmoke> I don't use windows
[10:12] <stisev> errrrrrr
[10:12] <stisev> eDonkey protocol.
[10:12] <godsmoke> I told you I did
[10:12] <stisev> Not which client.
 emule is great for rare stuff -- usenet is great for new stuff -- bittorrent is great for popular stuff
[10:12] <stisev> ....
[10:12] <buz> trust me, i've written a 20K lines project in c++ once. i'm not gonna go there again
[10:12] <stisev> That doesn't mean you did use it.
[10:13] <stisev> godsmoke:  which client would you recommend for Linux?
[10:13] <godsmoke> heh, that's a tricky question
[10:13] <buz> mldonkey
[10:13] <buz> but in general, i dont like emule
[10:13] <buz> its tooooo sloooooow
[10:13] <godsmoke> it wasn't built for speed
[10:13] <stisev> buz: true, but it's got the rarest files.
[10:13] <godsmoke> it was built for queues
[10:14] <stisev> buz: here's a link that describes how to speed things up
[10:14] <buz> i dont use p2p anymore anyway
[10:14] <godsmoke> anyway
[10:14] <godsmoke> sharedaemon is probably the most promising edonkey client for linux
[10:14] <stisev> well, if you ever do.
[10:14] <stisev> http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t8650.html
[10:14] <stisev> That's the best Guide I've seen to speed eMule up.
[10:15] <stisev> ShareDaemon?
[10:15] <stisev> Never heard of it. O_O
[10:15] <godsmoke> yes
[10:15] <godsmoke> who cares?
[10:15] <godsmoke> you haven't heard of most linux apps
[10:15] <stisev> hehe
[10:15] <godsmoke> it's the old lmule project
[10:15] <godsmoke> http://www.sharedaemon.org/sharedaemon.php
[10:15] <stisev> Ah, I use LMule right now
[10:15] <godsmoke> well ... lmule is gone
[10:15] <stisev> but the interface is rather lacking, um, "sponk" (sp?)
[10:15] <godsmoke> done, finito
[10:16] <stisev> godsmoke:  discontinued?
[10:16] <godsmoke> spunk*
[10:16] <godsmoke> long ago
[10:16] <godsmoke> yes
[10:16] <stisev> bah
[10:16] <godsmoke> sharedaemon is a complete rewrite by the lmule people
[10:16] <stisev> excelllent
[10:16] <stisev> I'll have to try it out
[10:16] <stisev> err now the only thing I need to do is backup my files
[10:16] <godsmoke> mldonkey is more complete at this point
[10:16] <stisev> eh
[10:16] <stisev> mldonkey?
[10:16] <godsmoke> yes
[10:16] <stisev> mldonkey or sharedaemon?
[10:17] <godsmoke> mldonkey is the better bet now -- sharedaemon is the next hot thing
[10:17] <stisev> mldonkey. check.
[10:17] <stisev> godsmoke: what's your recommendation for a CD-Burner.
[10:17] <godsmoke> heh
[10:17] <godsmoke> another annoying question :)
[10:17] <godsmoke> brb
[10:18] <stisev> I've got a bitch-hard question after thsi one ;)
[10:18] <godsmoke> ok -- cd burning sucks in linux
[10:18] <godsmoke> let's lay that out first
[10:18] <stisev> hehe
[10:18] <godsmoke> k3b is kde-based ... pretty -- and will probably do most cd-burning thing you need
[10:18] <godsmoke> so use that first
[10:18] <godsmoke> things*
[10:19] <godsmoke> it's pretty -- like some fancy schmancy $80 windows app
[10:19] <stisev> K3B
[10:19] <stisev> ok
[10:19] <godsmoke> see -- pretty: http://k3b.plainblack.com/uploads/images/12/simulatingaudiocd.png
[10:19] <stisev> why in the name of my sanity aren't my files copying onto my SanDisk Titanium USB flash drive.
[10:20] <godsmoke> more pretty: http://k3b.plainblack.com/uploads/images/2/datadvd.png
[10:20] <stisev> yea it is pretty
[10:20] <godsmoke> next question ...
[10:20] <godsmoke> or was that it?
[10:20] <godsmoke> (the thumb drive)
[10:20] <stisev> no
[10:21] <kutucape> hi all
[10:21] <stisev> Ok here's a cracker of a question
[10:21] <stisev> hi kutucape 
[10:21] <stisev> Is there any program on Linux that undervolts my P-M?
[10:21] <kutucape> i'm using ubuntu and download some KDE packages :D
[10:21] <stisev> kutucape: so you're using Kubuntu :p
[10:21] <stisev> RightMark CPU Utility for windows. 
[10:21] <stisev> lemme send you the link
[10:22] <stisev> http://cpu.rightmark.org/manifest.shtml
[10:22] <kutucape> but it runs so smooth with translucency/shadow windows
[10:22] <kutucape> lol
[10:22] <godsmoke> yeah -- the answer is probably not ....
[10:22] <godsmoke> it's certainly possible ... but not likely to exist
[10:23] <godsmoke> I don't know though -- I don't use centrino crap
[10:23] <kutucape> i've removed gnome stuff, just give it a try...
[10:23] <kutucape> it so cool, like mac osx
[10:23] <stisev> Centrino crap?
[10:23] <godsmoke> yeah
[10:23] <stisev> O_O
[10:23] <stisev> You've obviously no clue about laptops
[10:23] <stisev> don't say AMD, please.
[10:23] <stisev> (NOT for laptops)
[10:23] <godsmoke> huh?
[10:23] <godsmoke> I use a p3 700
[10:23] <stisev> oh lol
[10:23] <stisev> I thought you were another AMD Mobile user.
[10:23] <stisev> ;-\
[10:24] <stisev> godsmoke:  any applications to display current temps?
[10:24] <godsmoke> of course
[10:24] <stisev> (video/cpu/HD/etc)
[10:24] <godsmoke> ...
[10:24] <godsmoke> video?
[10:24] <godsmoke> hard drive?
[10:24] <godsmoke> you have temp sensors there?
[10:24] <stisev> ...
[10:24] <stisev> of course.
[10:24] <stisev> and fan sensors.
[10:24] <godsmoke> I mean ... if they're there -- you can read em, sure
[10:24] <godsmoke> yep
[10:24] <stisev> Dell Inspiron 8600c.
[10:24] <stisev> I use Samurize for windows to read 'em
[10:24] <godsmoke> I assume your book is acpi
[10:24] <stisev> there's a plugin to read them.
[10:24] <stisev> yep
[10:24] <godsmoke> so ... any program that uses acpi will do it
[10:25] <stisev> i8KFanGUI is the windows program that has the driver.
[10:25] <stisev> it's open source IIRC
[10:25] <godsmoke> driver?
[10:25] <godsmoke> for what?
[10:25] <stisev> er, I think that's the correct word for it.
[10:25] <stisev> The, er, small IO (?) driver ?
[10:26] <godsmoke> stisev: dude ... i8kfangui is a windows port of the *nix utility
[10:26] <stisev> ?
[10:26] <stisev> godsmoke: originally for linux?
[10:26] <godsmoke> yes
[10:27] <stisev> linkage?
[10:27] <godsmoke> the package is called i8kutils
[10:27] <godsmoke> it corresponds to a driver as well
[10:27] <stisev> http://www.pbus-167.com/chc.htm <------ this always seemed to be like a linux program
[10:27] <godsmoke> I don't use it
[10:27] <stisev> It's called Centrino Hardware Control
[10:27] <godsmoke> seemed?
[10:27] <stisev> ah, you're right.
[10:27] <stisev> godsmoke:  it looks a lot like KDE :P
[10:27] <godsmoke> no
[10:27] <godsmoke> it looks 100% like windows
[10:27] <stisev> very fluffy :p
[10:28] <godsmoke> huh?
[10:28] <stisev> j/k =p
[10:28] <stisev> Interesting. i8Kutils.
[10:28] <stisev> godsmoke:  you ever used VirtualPC?
[10:28] <godsmoke> god no
[10:28] <godsmoke> vmware all the way
[10:28] <stisev> er?
[10:29] <stisev> my aunt's going to work for them soon, IIRC
[10:29] <stisev> that's on windows, right?
[10:29] <godsmoke> vmware ...
[10:29] <godsmoke> no
[10:29] <godsmoke> it's on many things
[10:29] <godsmoke> vmware is THE VM standard
[10:29] <godsmoke> windows, linux, whatever
[10:29] <stisev> Oh.
[10:29] <godsmoke> it's better than everything else
[10:29] <godsmoke> nobody can argue that
[10:29] <stisev> Why?
[10:29] <stisev> Better how
[10:30] <stisev> Speed? Compat?
[10:30] <godsmoke> because it is -- faster, better configuration options, more support, biggest community
[10:30] <stisev> Is it free?
[10:30] <godsmoke> virtualpc is a microsoft pet project
[10:30] <godsmoke> god no
[10:30] <stisev> Linux?
[10:30] <godsmoke> it's nowhere near free
[10:30] <godsmoke> so what?
[10:30] <stisev> ?
[10:30] <godsmoke> linux is not the same thing as free
[10:30] <godsmoke> linux is an os
[10:30] <stisev> I know.
[10:30] <godsmoke> you can write and sell software for it
[10:30] <godsmoke> vmware is like $500
[10:30] <stisev> O_
[10:30] <godsmoke> for a single license
[10:30] <stisev> O_O
[10:30] <godsmoke> but it's well worth it
[10:31] <stisev> !!!O_O!!!
[10:31] <stisev> I'm a little confused as to which version I would one would use on Windows.
[10:31] <godsmoke> huh?
[10:31] <stisev> the workstation? GSX server?
[10:31] <godsmoke> workstation -- only the workstation
[10:31] <godsmoke> the servers are for massive corporation-wide vm integration
[10:31] <stisev> VMware Workstation (for Windows operating systems and Linux systems)*** Evaluate Download
[10:31] <stisev> that one?
[10:31] <godsmoke> workstation comes in linux and windows copies
[10:31] <godsmoke> yep
[10:32] <stisev> acknowledged.
[10:32] <stisev> I'll give it a whirl.
[10:32] <godsmoke> those are the HOST oses, obviously
[10:32] <stisev> What is it like, er, on windows.
[10:32] <godsmoke> what is it like?
[10:32] <stisev> Is it like VirtualPC on windows
[10:32] <stisev> Resemble it, I mean.
[10:32] <godsmoke> what does that mean to you?
[10:32] <stisev> No idea
[10:32] <stisev> heh
[10:32] <godsmoke> http://www.vmware.com/products/desktop/ws_screens.html
[10:32] <godsmoke> I mean ... if you mean interface
[10:32] <godsmoke> I suppose it's similar, sure
[10:32] <stisev> My openoffice seems to be stuck at startup
[10:33] <godsmoke> sorry to hear that
[10:33] <godsmoke> you using the beta?
[10:33] <stisev> No idea
[10:33] <stisev> 1.1
[10:33] <godsmoke> I guess not then
[10:33] <godsmoke> no, that's not the beta
[10:33] <stisev> Whatever Ubuntu installed.
[10:33] <stisev> What's the beta ver?
[10:33] <godsmoke> ok
[10:33] <godsmoke> the package name is openoffice.org2
[10:33] <godsmoke> it's a tad buggy sometimes
[10:33] <godsmoke> but the features are great
[10:34] <godsmoke> it's like their version to 100% compete with MS Office 2003
[10:34] <godsmoke> even stole interface colors from it
[10:34] <stisev> can I install it using apt-get?
[10:35] <godsmoke> yep
[10:35] <godsmoke> apt-get install openoffice.org2
[10:35] <stisev> god I've learned so much today
[10:35] <stisev> lol
[10:35] <godsmoke> you'll want to get the kde frontend for it
[10:35] <stisev> KDE frontend?
[10:36] <godsmoke> yeah
[10:36] <stisev> grr openoffice wont even start
[10:36] <godsmoke> openoffice is written in gtk
[10:36] <godsmoke> kde uses qt
[10:36] <stisev> QT?
[10:36] <godsmoke> openoffice.org-kde has the qt version
[10:36] <godsmoke> it's a graphics library
[10:36] <stisev> Quicktime =p
[10:36] <godsmoke> like gtk is
[10:36] <stisev> hehe
[10:36] <godsmoke> it'll make openoffice look like the rest of kde, and the application will function smoother
[10:37] <godsmoke> anyway -- time for bed
[10:37] <godsmoke> I'm 3 hours overdue
[10:37] <stisev> godsmoke:  last quicky question
[10:37] <stisev> very quick
[10:37] <godsmoke> ok
[10:37] <stisev> Text editor.
[10:37] <godsmoke> go
[10:37] <godsmoke> what do you mean?
[10:37] <godsmoke> be specific about the USE
[10:37] <stisev> I need one right now because openoffice is being a shithead.
[10:37] <stisev> godsmoke: general usage
[10:37] <godsmoke> I use vim
[10:37] <stisev> just to enter text to save before partitioning
[10:37] <godsmoke> but you don't want vim
[10:38] <nikkia> every time i reboot i have to recompile the flac plugin, makes no sense
[10:38] <stisev> what do I want?
[10:38] <godsmoke> probably something like Kate
[10:38] <godsmoke> (KDE Advanced Text Editor)
[10:38] <stisev> Ahhh good 'ol kate
[10:38] <stisev> k
[10:38] <stisev> go to bed
[10:38] <stisev> thanks for everything
[10:38] <godsmoke> goodnight
[10:38] <stisev> nighty
[10:39] <mart> anyone want a realplayer 10 deb?
[10:39] <godsmoke> sure
[10:39] <stisev> ?
[10:39] <godsmoke> mart: no, let realplayer crap stay on windows
[10:39] <stisev> why would anyone want realplayer anything?
[10:39] <stisev> heh
[10:39] <mart> realplayer 10 is alright
[10:39] <stisev> O_O
[10:39] <stisev> that's the stupidest thing I've heard this month.
[10:39] <mart> well it plays stuff
[10:39] <stisev> True.
[10:40] <mart> have you used it?
[10:40] <stisev> Uh, of course.
[10:40] <stisev> I use RealPlayer Allternative now though.
[10:40] <stisev> (Win32)
[10:40] <stisev> What Instant messaging clients do you guys use?
[10:40] <mart> yeah, that's a lot of help on #kubuntu
[10:40] <mart> kopete
[10:40] <stisev> Is that better than GAIM?
[10:41] <mart> oh yeah
[10:41] <stisev> GAIM is just too fucking "big
[10:41] <stisev> I use Trillian on Win32 and I love it to death.
[10:41] <mart> big on screen, or big in memory?
[10:41] <stisev> fuck memory
[10:41] <stisev> screen!
[10:41] <stisev> I've got enough memory
[10:41] <kutucape> i'm downloading KDE last night, it is KDE 3.4.1?
[10:42] <stisev> yep
[10:42] <stisev> 3.4.1 is latest
[10:42] <kutucape> but on help menu, it said 3.4.0
[10:43] <stisev> weird.
[10:45] <kutucape> maybe i have to add /etc/apt/source.list with source on kudos.berlios.de ?
[10:46] <kutucape> then downloading the packages again...
[10:55] <Duneflower> Anyone here got a moment to help out a noob?
[10:56] <mart> Duneflower: always best to just ask the Q.
[10:57] <Duneflower> Ah. Alright, then: A friend of mine recommended Ubuntu, which I currently have installed. I wanna switch to K, so I tried the apt-get, but it keeps telling me the kubuntu-desktop package doesn't exist.
[10:58] <mart> Duneflower:  http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[10:58] <mart> try these instructions first
[10:58] <Duneflower> <.<
[10:59] <mart> try installing kubuntu-desktop after the "sudo apt-get update"
[11:00] <Duneflower> I had a feeling that might be the problem. :P
[11:03] <Duneflower> That's more like it. Thanks, and pardon my ineptitude. :P
[12:03] <snowman> Can anybody help me with kopete?
[12:03] <mart> snowman: 'sup?
[12:03] <snowman> mart: It does not find my gpg keyrings?
[12:05] <snowman> mart: In the Cryptography Plugin menu i click Select.. button for your private pgp key
[12:05] <mart> and you seen your pgp key
[12:05] <mart> ?
[12:06] <snowman> no
[12:06] <snowman> emty list
[12:06] <snowman> ?
[12:06] <mart> do you need to set up kgpg?
[12:06] <snowman> no i dont think so?
[12:07] <mart> snowman: finds mine, and they are in .gnupg
[12:07] <snowman> mart: in your home directory
[12:07] <snowman> mart: /home/.../.gnupg?
[12:07] <mart> y
[12:08] <snowman> sec
[12:08] <snowman> mart:my keys are there as well
[12:09] <snowman> mart: psi jabber client finds my keys
[12:09] <snowman> mart: but kopete does not
[12:10] <mart> snowman: dunno, try setting up kgpg, or ask in #kopete
[12:15] <snowman> mart: When I am running Kgpg it does not find my secret key either.
[12:16] <snowman> mart: But in the key manager afterwards are all my keys
[12:16] <snowman> mart: But kopete still dont find my key like kgpg
[12:16] <snowman> mart: very wired?
[12:26] <mart> snowman: no idea, I used kgpg to generate my key
[12:26] <mart> snowman: so no surprise that it can 'find' it
[12:43] <gabi> hello
[12:44] <gabi> i have a little problem with kubuntu's session manager
[12:45] <uniq> what is the problem?
[12:46] <gabi> at the kubuntu session manager my monitor has only 60 Hz frequency, but after I login my monitor has 85 HZ
[12:46] <gabi> i have an nvidia video card
[12:46] <gabi> i have installed the driver included in kubuntu
[12:47] <gabi> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[12:47] <gabi> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:47] <gabi> like that
[12:48] <nikkia> i wish they wouldn't document functions that DO NOT EXIST
[12:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> LOL
[12:49] <gabi> so the only problem is that during session manager screen my monitor has only 60 HZ
[12:49] <nikkia> especially when the function i look at first says 'don't use this, its deprecated, use <FUNCTION THAT DOES NOT EXIST> instead'
[12:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> *giggle*
[12:49] <uniq> gabi: try to follow http://www.sh.nu/nvidia/modeline_howto.html - gtf is included.
[12:50] <gabi> ok,thanks
[12:50] <uniq> hi nikkia.
[12:50] <nikkia> ah!
[12:50] <nikkia> it does exist
[12:50] <nikkia> they just got the - and _ mixed up in the docs
[12:53] <nikkia> and i wish they'd use a proper scheme, rather than that train wreck called SIOD
[12:53] <nikkia> guile would be a good candidate
[12:59] <chx> hi
[01:00] <chx> I'd like to NAT , just guidedog works OK. if I run guarddog, it dies
[01:00] <chx> what should I enable in guarddog?
[01:04] <nikkia> oh, and afternoon uniq
[01:25] <uniq> hi nikkia, i'm working on getting an office close to my parents house. I need internet badly. dialup at my parents house doesn't cover my needs.
[01:27] <nikkia> heh, dialup is terrible after decent broadband :/
[01:27] <uniq> sure is.
[01:27] <nikkia> for that matter, its terrible after 'pretty lousy' broadband too
[01:27] <uniq> i've gotten a office with a decent connection now. just got the keys.
[01:29] <nikkia> argh!
[01:29] <dutch> mn
[01:29] <nikkia> hobbled by my own preemptive thinking
[01:29] <dutch> ++++
[01:30] <nikkia> 'i know, lets just copy visible layers, so i can control which layers get copied across between images', 'hmm, where's the 40c and 20c images? DOH!'
[01:30] <nikkia> (i find it annoying that gimp doesn't have a 'merge this images layers into another image' function to start with...)
[01:38] <snowman> mart: But I have to import my keys. I can not generate me new ones. Otherwise I had send all my contacts a new key
[01:44] <paines> hi
[01:55] <moshe> hello
[01:56] <moshe> anybody know where to get a working transcode package?
[01:56] <uniq> isn't it in backports? 
[01:57] <moshe> apparently not
[01:57] <paines> moshe, http://debian.video.free.fr/ for sid and sarge
[01:57] <paines> should work for ubuntu too
[01:58] <moshe> I should use the sid packages?
[01:58] <paines> yes
[02:01] <moshe> i just added to sources.list the following:
[02:01] <moshe> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main
[02:01] <moshe> apt-get update and apt-get install transcode, and....
[02:01] <moshe> it fails miserably on dependencies
[02:03] <moshe> which brings me back to square one
[02:03] <paines> bad
[02:03] <paines> didn't excpect that
[02:04] <moshe> lack of transcode is my own complaint in the week and a half of running (k)ubuntu
[02:04] <paines> what do you mean by half of running ?
[02:05] <moshe> week and a half
[02:05] <moshe> I installed kubuntu a week and a half ago
[02:05] <paines> ah
[02:05] <paines> play
[02:05] <paines> okay
[02:05] <paines> haha
[02:05] <paines> mee too
[02:06] <paines> bought and amd64 machine on thursday and installed kubunut 64
[02:06] <moshe> now, if I could just rip dvd's like I used to, I'd be set to go.
[02:06] <paines> very impressed
[02:07] <paines> moshe, i see. well i just use if for a few days, but i am pretty sure that such an important package like transcode must exist for (ku)ubunut
[02:07] <paines> somewhere
[02:08] <moshe> well, apparently a bug was filed about this a while back but nothing has been done as of yet, apparently because it's a pita to compile.
[02:09] <paines> I see. well this morning I thought lets compile wine for amd64 which isn't possible right now.
[02:09] <paines> seems like we all have to be more patiend
[02:12] <moshe> ok
[02:19] <xunil_> i need some help... getting this error: kxdocker: error while loading shared libraries: libpng.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:19] <xunil_> but i have installed libpng3
[02:23] <xunil_> i need some help... getting this error: kxdocker: error while loading shared libraries: libpng.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:25] <paines> xunil_, ldd `which kxdocker`
[02:25] <xunil_> 0.35
[02:25] <paines> gives you a  list of the libs which are linked against kxdocker
[02:25] <xunil_> and i installed libpng3
[02:26] <xunil_> any ideas?
[02:27] <basse> hi. are there some important repositories I have to add to kubuntu?
[02:27] <basse> default setup doesnt seem to find scons, for example.
[02:27] <paines> xunil_, ldd `which kxdocker`
[02:27] <paines> execute that command
[02:28] <xunil_> okey done
[02:28] <paines> now copy paste to paste.ubunulinux.nl
[02:28] <paines> now copy paste to paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:30] <xunil_> done
[02:30] <paines> line 23 libpng.so.3 => not found
[02:30] <paines> now do dpkg -L libpng3 and copy paste again please
[02:32] <xunil_> Package `libpng3' is not installed.
[02:32] <xunil_> Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
[02:32] <xunil_> and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
[02:32] <xunil_> hmm...
[02:33] <paines> looks like it isn't installed
[02:35] <platoali> http://ubuntuguide.org/ if you are looking for some repository goo there
[02:38] <basse> how do I add universe to my repositories?
[02:38] <basse> so docusite is not working
[02:38] <nikkia> hmmm, these annoying sshd hits i'm getting must be coming from corporate zombie PCs
[02:38] <nikkia> had nothing over the weekend, now i have 3 of them hitting my IP
[02:39] <xunil_> aptitude install libpng3 cant find any package named libpng3 but libpng3-dev and that i have installed
[02:40] <Poromies> basse, you need to eiher use synaptic -> settings -> repositories or by editing /etc/apt/sources.list with your favorite editor
[02:40] <xunil_> where do i find libpng3??
[02:40] <paines> xunil_, apt-get install libpng3
[02:40] <xunil_> Package `libpng3' is not installed.
[02:40] <xunil_> Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
[02:40] <xunil_> and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
[02:40] <nikkia> libpng3 is in multiverse
[02:41] <Poromies> anyone have any idea when proper settings menu is implemented in Kynaptic? It lags lightyears behind the usability of Synaptic :|
[02:41] <buz> forget kynaptic for now
[02:41] <buz> its mostly useless
[02:41] <buz> even kpackage is orders of magnitude better
[02:42] <Poromies> yea
[02:43] <xunil_> paines any other way to gett it?
[02:43] <paines> xunil_, install from source
[02:43] <paines> but
[02:43] <xunil_> from where?
[02:43] <paines> libpng must be in ubuntu
[02:45] <xunil_> ?
[02:45] <twidget> Good morning
[02:45] <Poromies> hi twidget _o/
[02:45] <Poromies> you made any progres with setting the sources?
[02:45] <twidget> and Happy Independence Day for those of us in the United States of America
[02:46] <twidget> Poromies: all done
[02:46] <xunil_> can you install debian packages?
[02:46] <twidget> Current problem: no audio disc sound
[02:46] <Poromies> xunil_: yes
[02:47] <xunil_> good :D
[02:48] <twidget> Poromies: I can hear sound when I test it, but not from an audio CD.
[02:51] <paines> twidget, make sure your soundcard have an audio cable connected to the cdrom drive and that the mixer settings are correct
[02:54] <twidget> paines: I have an Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe motherboard with an nVida chipset. It is plugged into the stereo out (light green) jack and was working properly when this machine had Winx64 installed. Also, from the Control Center, the sound tests fine.
[02:55] <twidget> From the mixer, under the Input tab, the fader under the CD has a green LED and is mid-way
[02:57] <paines> twidget, i see. so thoretically it should work
[02:57] <twidget> Hmmm... I was hoping you'd think of something else to check. ;)
[02:57] <paines> twidget, i have the asus k8n e deluxe mainboard, it has too soundcard onboard, and I had also smoe issues.
[02:57] <paines> but i get tired of it and plugged in my old soundblasetr live 512 value
[02:58] <twidget> aha!
[02:58] <paines> one of the best soundcard's for linux
[02:58] <twidget> are there drivers, per se?
[02:59] <paines>  twidget, sorry, what do you mean ?
[03:00] <twidget> Well, Windows has you install drivers for resources such as sound cards, etc. Does Linux have anything like that?
[03:01] <paines> in general not
[03:01] <twidget> IC
[03:01] <paines> but ubunutu comes with a hardware detection and loads the drivers for you
[03:01] <paines> so
[03:01] <paines> if you can fire up kmix
[03:01] <twidget> I wonder if the folks at Asus might have an idea
[03:01] <twidget> kmix up
[03:01] <paines> and change some mixer settings, you can be sure that sound is working properly by hardware
[03:03] <paines> twidget, is your soundcrad connected to the cdrom ?
[03:03] <paines> with an audio cable
[03:04] <twidget> Creative speakers with a 90 degree light green plug plugged into the light green sound jack on the motherboard
[03:05] <twidget> I'll try the other jacks'
[03:06] <uniq> it's not the jacks he is asking about. it's inside the box.
[03:06] <xunil_> have the source for libpng now...
[03:06] <twidget> nothing
[03:06] <paines> uniq, :-)
[03:06] <xunil_> dont know how to compile this one..
[03:06] <twidget> oh
[03:06] <twidget> then, yes
[03:07] <twidget> because it works in Windows XP x64
[03:07] <paines> twidget, well I am pretty sure win32 can do this digitally without the analog cable I am talking about.
[03:08] <twidget> Hmmm
[03:08] <nomeansyes> hi
[03:08] <nomeansyes> y have a problem but my english is not good 
[03:08] <nomeansyes> :S
[03:08] <nomeansyes> i cant change properties about samba sharing files
[03:09] <nomeansyes> with kcontrol
[03:09] <nomeansyes> or sudo kcmshell fileshare
[03:09] <nomeansyes> all options are disabled
[03:09] <nomeansyes> someone with an idea?
[03:12] <nikkia> nomeansyes: give kdesu kcontrol a try
[03:12] <nomeansyes> nikkia: thx ill try now
[03:13] <nomeansyes> nikkia: all options disabled
[03:13] <nikkia> can't test it here, as i don't have samba installed anyway
[03:13] <nomeansyes> the same as using sudo
[03:14] <nomeansyes> the way is good
[03:14] <nomeansyes> but i think kcontrol us outo f order
[03:14] <nomeansyes> :\
[03:16] <nomeansyes> and i dont know another way to share files in Xwindows
[03:16] <nikkia> i just installed samba, started it, and the options enabled
[03:16] <nikkia> are you sure you have samba installed and running ?
[03:16] <nomeansyes> i think so
[03:16] <nikkia> try sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[03:16] <twidget> bbl
[03:16] <nomeansyes> i can see another hosts i the net
[03:17] <nikkia> nomeansyes: no, that's a function of the samba *client*
[03:17] <nikkia> kubuntu doesn't install the samba server by default, from what i can see
[03:17] <nomeansyes> nikkia: sure :D
[03:17] <nomeansyes> ok ok ok XD
[03:17] <nomeansyes> which is the package of samba server ???
[03:17] <nikkia> 'samba' :P
[03:17] <nomeansyes> xDD
[03:18] <nomeansyes> thx nikkia !
[03:33] <GTLO_AJA> u2
[03:37] <snowman> mart: Do you remember me
[03:37] <no_gatez_fan> good morning
[03:37] <snowman> mart: I am the guy problem with kopete
[03:37] <snowman> mart: I have discoverd what was the problem
[03:38] <snowman> mart: Are you interested in knowing it
[03:38] <snowman> mart:?
[03:40] <xunil_> are there any fast keyboards commands for getting shell up?
[03:43] <paines> bind a shortcut to konsole
[03:43] <markc> Qt: Locales not supported on X server <- any ideas how to fix this ?
[03:49] <xunil_> iam trying to fix this problem :"kxdocker: error while loading shared libraries: libpng.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" are libpng.so same as libpng.so.3?
[03:57] <bccs> every windows i open in KDE
[03:58] <bccs> it gets positioned on the top-left corner
[03:58] <bccs> how can i change that?
[03:59] <snowman> Hi, I have a question: I want to switch to Linux. What can you recommend Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[03:59] <buz> you are aware that you're in the kubuntu channel?
[03:59] <snowman> yes
[03:59] <bccs> it depends if you prefer gnome or KDE
[03:59] <buz> so the question is pretty moot ;)
[04:00] <bccs> snowman: Install ubuntu, than use synaptic to install kubuntu-desktop
[04:00] <bccs> soh you can test both GNOME e KDE, and see which one you like most
[04:00] <bccs> i prefer KDE really
[04:00] <bccs> :)
[04:01] <Poromies> snowman: those are basicly same distributions, only difference is the WindowManager.. KDE or Gnome
[04:01] <Poromies> KDE is faster, better looking, more feature-rich and it has wider user base </end advertisment>
[04:03] <snowman> i am asking, because my first choice was ubuntu but someone told me that kde would be not fully developed
[04:04] <snowman> so I am asking so that you can convince me that KDE is the better choice
[04:04] <Poromies> eh, realy, you can install ubuntu and then do "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" to install KDE and then try them both out
[04:04] <nikkia> gnome and KDE are just about as old as each other, so i'd say they're about equally developed
[04:04] <bccs> if you dont have any experience wich gnome neither kde, try both
[04:05] <nikkia> the only real difference that *might* matter is that gnome is more friendly for commercial developers, so you see stuff like vmware being gtk/gnome style apps rather than Qt/KDE
[04:06] <snowman> But maybe you can tell me ex ante what desktop features more performance
[04:06] <nikkia> snowman: most people say gnome, but personally, i don't think there's much in it between them, if you want high performance, or are on a slow machine, neither is ideal
[04:06] <bccs> there're some things in KDE that i dont understand yet
[04:07] <bccs> like, why it user 300mb of my RAM, after boot
[04:07] <Poromies> KDE has more eyecandy options, i think
[04:07] <nikkia> bccs, that's most likely either you misreading the memory usage, or image caching
[04:08] <nikkia> gnome caches images too, it just hides it all away in imlib where its not quite so noticable :)
[04:08] <nikkia> i've seen gnome squirrel away 300MB in imlib before
[04:08] <bccs> hum...
[04:08] <bccs> ok
[04:09] <nikkia> the basic problem is that X really isn't designed for eye candy UI
[04:09] <snowman> is there a good dictonary out there for kubuntu
[04:10] <snowman> Not the standard dictionary where you can look up english words and get english explanation
[04:10] <snowman> I mean you enter english and get language xyz
[04:10] <nikkia> snowman: what you want is translation software, not a dictionary per se
[04:11] <snowman> nikkia: Ok, yes you are right
[04:11] <nikkia> there is one in kdeedu, but i haven't used it in ages
[04:11] <snowman> ok, thanks
[04:11] <snowman> Another question:
[04:11] <snowman> What is the advantage in kubuntu that you have no root user
[04:12] <nikkia> beats me :)
[04:12] <snowman> It seems very strange for me in first view?
[04:12] <nikkia> snowman: i think the basic idea is that it reduces the risk of someone doing damage without realising
[04:13] <nikkia> ie, you're less likely to login/start-X as root, you're less likely to leave a shell open as root, etc
[04:15] <nikkia> snowman: i suspect apple started the idea, since OS X doesn't have a root account enabled by default either, and relies upon sudo
[04:55] <wincide> hi again. i need a good sources for kubuntu ... now i cant install webmin ... cant resolve dependences about openssl 
[05:08] <malte> hm. i've been experiencing random crashes with several kde applications recently, and i was thinking it might be some underlying library or somesuch that causes this. konqueror crashes quite frequently, as does kaffeine - and now recently i tried rosegarden4 which has crashed 4 times in only 20 min
[05:08] <malte> it's really annoying, but most of the time i can't reproduce the crashes
[05:09] <malte> so, anyone has a clue? :/
[05:10] <malte> i'm using (k)ubuntu hoary
[05:23] <twidget> Hmmm, my desktop and other parts of my screen seem to go all weird now
[05:30] <dooglio> gruntings
[05:32] <twidget> Kubuntu seems to be dying
[05:32] <twidget> distorted graphics all over my screen
[05:34] <qos> so, does anyone know how to read icq away messages with kopete?
[05:39] <qos> so, does anyone know how to read icq away messages with kopete
[05:43] <penguinboy> Happy 4th to all you nerds and geeks!
[05:56] <penguinboy> Happy 4th to all you nerds and geeks!
[06:04] <twidget> how do I run sndconfig from the command line?
[06:06] <twidget> Any idea why my screen does this after some time passes? http://www.flickr.com/photos/twidget/23520828/
[06:07] <twidget> This is my video card: http://usa.asus.com/products/vga/en6600/overview.htm
[06:09] <nikkia> twidget, it happens to everyone at some point :/
[06:10] <nikkia> usually, its only when you switch between console and X 'at an unlucky time'
[06:10] <twidget> nikkia: but does it continue happening?
[06:11] <twidget> rebooting...
[06:14] <nikkia> twidget, basically, X and the console doesn't seem to properly save-state between context switches, and so what seems to happen is you switch between them, and the card's registers get boffed, but since X and the console just continue blissfully unaware of any change/failure, they don't correct for the situation, sometimes remote logging in and restarting X will fix it..
[06:15] <nikkia> and it isn't something unique to nvidia cards/chipsets, i've seen the same sort of thing from S3, ATI and nVidia chips
[06:16] <GameCat> hi
[06:16] <nikkia> twidget, the nvidia cards do have one failing that seems to trigger that situation more than any other manufacturer though
[06:17] <nikkia> that being that the VESA stuff is *highly* destructive of the X state, basically, if you touch vesa while running X, you WILL end up with a screen of garbage sooner or later
[06:17] <twidget> nikkia: any idea why my CDs won't play?
[06:17] <nikkia> twidget, no idea
[06:17] <twidget> I'm just about fed up with this
[06:17] <GameCat> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz  This HTTP server has broken range support [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[06:17] <GameCat> any ideas how to fix that error?
[06:18] <GameCat> I don't think it's the server - same sources fil is fine on my laptop
[06:19] <nikkia> GameCat: try apt-get clean   perhaps ?
[06:19] <GameCat> nikkia: I will, thanks...
[06:19] <nikkia> its probably a corrupt local copy of the packages list
[06:19] <GameCat> clean didn't help - same error
[06:20] <GameCat> can i delete the local copies manually maybe?
[06:20] <nikkia> dunno
[06:20] <GameCat> here goes :)
[06:23] <GameCat> hmm, same error, local caches recreated
[06:25] <bccs> How can i set KDE to open all windows centered?
[06:27] <GameCat> control centre > desktop > window behaviour > moving tab > placement:centered
[06:27] <GameCat> sort3d :)
[06:28] <bccs> How the "Smart" option works? because most of the Windows opens in the top-left corner
[06:28] <markc> Qt: Locales not supported on X server <- any ideas how to fix this ?
[06:28] <hon> GameCat: is there any way to set the placement of minicli?
[06:28] <GameCat> smart will aim for using any free desktop space - if desktop is empty, it'll start top left
[06:29] <GameCat> hon: dunno what minicli is sorry
[06:29] <hon> ALT+F2 menu
[06:29] <bccs> GameCat: tks a lot
[06:29] <GameCat> hon: ah so thats what that's called - no idea on that, it's not a window, it's a dialog
[06:29] <GameCat> bccs: no probs, glad to help
[06:30] <hon> thanks anyway :)
[06:31] <froud> chaps I have tried upgrading my hoary to breezy about 5 times now. each time I endup with no xserver and no kde. any clues as to what I am doing wrong
[06:31] <GameCat> froud: not here, sorry
[06:32] <froud> has anyone managed a dist-upgrade of kubuntu fom hoary to breezy?
[06:32] <yasser> hello???
[06:33] <yasser> how do i get on net???
[06:33] <GameCat> yasser: you are :)
[06:33] <yasser> thanks
[06:33] <Poromies> :D
[06:33] <GameCat> yasser: you're welcome - that was easy :)
[06:33] <yasser> can some1 tell me how i can configure adsl in kubuntuPLZ
[06:34] <froud> yasser: what type of dsl connection r u using
[06:35] <froud> pppoe
[06:35] <yasser> YES ethernet adsl
[06:35] <froud> your dsl connected directly to your ethernet card
[06:35] <froud> you need to install and config the pppoe
[06:35] <yasser> how do i disconnect & connect manually??
[06:36] <froud> why do you want to connect/disconnect
[06:36] <froud> just stay connected
[06:36] <shogo> pon poff
[06:36] <yasser> no theres a download/upload limit
[06:36] <froud> dsl is an always on technology :-)
[06:36] <froud> how much 3 GB
[06:36] <yasser> 1 GB:(
[06:36] <GameCat> wow - thats not a lot
[06:36] <froud> ouch where are you
[06:37] <yasser> india!!
[06:37] <froud> ok so use pon and poff
[06:37] <yasser> in terminal??
[06:37] <froud> yes that is the terminal
[06:37] <yasser> ok how do i go online in the first place??
[06:37] <froud> not sure if there is a gui app for it
[06:38] <yasser> in terminal??
[06:38] <froud> when you do pon does it connect?
[06:38] <froud> do pon then ping www.google.com
[06:39] <othernoob> froud, shouldn't he configure his connection first ;)
[06:39] <froud> yasser: I am assuming you have config the connection
[06:39] <othernoob> via pppoeconf...
[06:39] <othernoob> froud, considering his first question I somehow doubt it
[06:39] <froud> yasser: if not do as othernoob say
[06:39] <yasser> look i had no idea heres what i did.....when i was using mepis..it had this adsl/ppoe config app...when i clicked on it launched into a terminal with the command sudo /usr/sbin/pppoeconf i typed this now and its working
[06:40] <yasser> am i right??
[06:40] <yasser> YES???
[06:40] <froud> :-)
[06:40] <GameCat> yes 
[06:40] <shogo> no stress
[06:40] <froud> use pppoeconf to configure the connection details
[06:41] <yasser> yes i have configured the connection....i was SO SURPRISED that i did not ave to give any info except uerid & password
[06:41] <yasser> wow!!!
[06:41] <GameCat> yasser: if pppoeconf doesn't run you may need to install it - apt-get install pppoeconf
[06:41] <othernoob> btw, pppoeconf also tells you how to connect/disconnect manually..
[06:41] <yasser> and in XP i had to install some stupid software
[06:41] <bccs> Why ubuntu comes with glib-1.2 and glib-2.0?
[06:41] <yasser> LINUX ROCKS!!
[06:42] <shogo> and caps suck
[06:42] <yasser> sorry:)
[06:43] <yasser> i have configured my connection using commands....just wanted to know if theres a nice gui way
[06:43] <bccs> Has anyone here installed mono in kubuntu?
[06:43] <yasser> i get an error with synaptic often...it asks me for the ubuntu hoary cd??
[06:44] <GameCat> yasser: that will depend on wether the file you asked for is on the CD or not I assume
[06:44] <yasser> ok when i type poff i get this /usr/bin/poff: /bin/kill failed.  None stopped.
[06:45] <othernoob> yasser: then you're trying to install something that is on the cd. open your sources.list and place a # in front of the deb cdrom.. line
[06:45] <othernoob> if it bothers you, of course..
[06:47] <eolo> hi guys ihave an nvidia geforce fx go 5700 on my laptop and i would like to install her drivers in my kubuntu, someone feels like guiding me in the process?
[06:48] <_yasser> anyone from india???
[06:48] <_yasser> anyone from india???
[06:49] <GameCat> eolo: all I did was drop to init 3 and run "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx" but that is on a desktop machine...
[06:50] <eolo> ok i try, (drop to runlevel 3?)
[06:50] <GameCat> yeah
[06:50] <GameCat> so no X server is running while the driver is installling
[06:52] <eolo> and how do i switch to runlevel 3
[06:52] <GameCat> ah right
[06:52] <eolo> newbie
[06:53] <GameCat> the easiest way is to open a shell and do "sudo init 3" - but be warned, that will kill the x server and anything else you have running and drop you back to command line
[06:53] <eolo> thanks
[06:53] <GameCat> so save anything important first
[06:53] <eolo> i' ll be back ,hope, soon
[06:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok i have a question what are the diffrent run levels and what do they do?
[06:55] <GameCat> afaik 5 is x server gui and 3 is no x server, 6 is reboot and 0 is shut down
[06:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok thats simple enough
[06:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[06:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know how to look at the hardware specs in kubuntu?
[07:00] <GameCat> requirement, or what you have?
[07:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> or device manager?
[07:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea
[07:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i think so
[07:00] <GameCat> kinfocenter
[07:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thanx ^_^
[07:00] <GameCat> np
[07:01] <othernoob> GameCat, are you familiar with wine?
[07:02] <GameCat> othernoob: nope
[07:03] <GameCat> I have crossover office on here, but not the free one
[07:03] <othernoob> meh :/  would anyone happen to know how to end wine when a game crashes/freezes and leaves a black screen?
[07:04] <GameCat> can you do a ctrl-alt-F3 to get to another login?
[07:04] <GameCat> if so, log in and kill it that way
[07:04] <GameCat> if not, I've no idea :/
[07:06] <othernoob> i will have to try that next time, even though i hope there's no next time. in a vane attempt i tried alt f1,alt f4, ctrlaltdel, alt-tab..and of course, reset button(which was the only thing that worked)
[07:06] <GameCat> yeah
[07:07] <GameCat> the ctrl-alt F2 to F6 should all give you a terminal
[07:07] <GameCat> once you kill the process, ctrl-alt-F7 will get you back to kde
[07:07] <othernoob> thanks, didnt know that :)
[07:08] <GameCat> pleasure - that isn't just kubuntu - most distros are set up that way
[07:08] <GameCat> certainly redhat and suse and whitebox to my certain knowledge
[07:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone here know about sound cards?
[07:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> cause i have a real problem with mine
[07:10] <GameCat> oh whoops
[07:10] <othernoob> at the moment i'm trying to finally finish dune2000 lol. quit on the last level on win98, didnt run on xp, but it does on wine..not great..but it runs.
[07:11] <GameCat> I just found a reference to ubuntu runlevels and realised I gave the guy with the nvidia question the wrong info :(
[07:11] <othernoob> ..sometimes..
[07:11] <GameCat> hope he forgives me (after he figures it out!)
[07:11] <othernoob> lol, what did you give him?
[07:11] <GameCat> 3
[07:11] <GameCat> init 3 is the redhat runlevel for cli :)
[07:12] <GameCat> on ubuntu the default is 2 so him doing init 3 won't do him any good :(
[07:12] <othernoob> what is 3 on ubuntu?
[07:12] <eolo> hi gamecat
[07:12] <GameCat> hey eolo - how did it go - I just realised I gave you wrong info about the runlevels - sorry m8 :(
[07:13] <eolo> i did install nvidia-glx, but now my desktop is awful
[07:13] <GameCat> did you edit your xorg.conf?
[07:13] <eolo> i had some problems, but...
[07:13] <eolo> no i didn't
[07:14] <hon> I have a *little* problem, can someone test this and see if it is only mine or it is more general: Show Desktop (Alt+Ctrl+D), now go to another Desktop (Say Ctrl+F2). does it go to desktop 2 or it just undos the Show Desktop Command?
[07:14] <eolo> what should i change
[07:14] <GameCat> hang on - I'll check this time :)
[07:15] <GameCat> eolo: less /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.Debian
[07:15] <GameCat> instructions right near the top
[07:15] <eolo> ok thanks
[07:15] <GameCat>         Minimum requirements:
[07:15] <GameCat>         In Section "Module"
[07:15] <GameCat>            add Load "glx"
[07:15] <GameCat>            remove Load "dri"
[07:15] <GameCat>            remove Load "GLcore"
[07:15] <GameCat>         In Section "Device"
[07:15] <GameCat>            Change Driver "nv" to Driver "nvidia"
[07:15] <GameCat> then restart x
[07:15] <GameCat> logging out and back in is enough to do that
[07:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone here know anything about sound cards and drivers?
[07:16] <GameCat> not me foamy, sorry
[07:16] <GameCat> no soundcard here
[07:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[07:23] <isai> hi
[07:24] <isai> I just switched from ubuntu to kubuntu and would like to know how to adjust my network settings. I have a wireless card and ubuntu had a program from selecting WEP, etc. Does kubuntu have one?
[07:26] <GameCat> it's in the kde control center
[07:26] <GameCat> which is in the main k menu
[07:27] <isai> Okay, I have that open, which option?
[07:27] <GameCat> no interface showing?
[07:28] <GameCat> it should show available devices, then you pick one to set up
[07:29] <GameCat> oh, and the administrator mode is sometimes awkward - you might want to try "sudo kcontrol" if it won't let you into admin mode
[07:30] <isai> there is nothing that says interface.
[07:32] <isai> I just checked synaptic. I don't actually have kubuntu installed, just all the kde stuff. Do I have to install kubuntu for these programs to install?
[07:33] <GameCat> thats a kde thing, not a kubuntu thing specifically
[07:33] <_john> hello
[07:34] <_john> <_<
[07:36] <isai> if I install kubuntu, will I still be able to use the GNOME stuff I have right now to configure my network, etc.?
[07:36] <_john> yeah
[07:36] <_john> i did that
[07:36] <_john> with an apt-get install 
[07:36] <_john> then you just change your session
[07:36] <_john> you can use GNOME or KDE whenever you want
[07:36] <isai> _john: how do I config. my network in kubuntu? is it different from ubuntu?
[07:37] <GameCat> I have to go eat - see you later
[07:37] <_john> well i dont know, i just switched to KDE today
[07:38] <_john> but you can use all of the gnome applications
[07:38] <buz> what do you need to configure wrt to you network
[07:38] <isai> _john: but is there a way that KDE does it specifically?
[07:38] <isai> buz: WEP
[07:38] <_john> I wouldn't exactly know. 
[07:38] <_john> sorry.
[07:38] <buz> mhh theres kwifimanager i think
[07:39] <buz> never used it tho
[07:39] <arcanistherogue> sweet.
[07:39] <isai> im install kwifi right now...
[07:40] <isai> arcanis: how did you change your name?
[07:40] <arcanistherogue> Hey guys, why do people say KDE is so bad?  my friends are practically yelling at me for switching from GNOME...
[07:40] <arcanistherogue> see that box to the right?
[07:40] <arcanistherogue> highlight the name in it and type your new one
[07:40] <arcanistherogue> im sure there is an IRC command also
[07:42] <isai> arcan: some people don't like KDE because its not GPL completely. But I think it has more to do with aethetics.
[07:42] <arcanistherogue> heh, thast why I love it
[07:42] <penguinboy> +J
[07:42] <arcanistherogue> I care about how things look, I have this glossy windows theme with all matching icons and stuff
[07:42] <shogo> kde is not gpl ?hu
[07:42] <arcanistherogue> +j
[07:42] <arcanistherogue> +J
[07:42] <arcanistherogue> what does that do?
[07:43] <buz> wtf, kde IS completely gpl
[07:43] <isai> shogo: it has a cross license with LGPL or something like that. Please don't ask me about the specifically, I really am not an expert in that.
[07:43] <buz> and has been for a long time
[07:43] <buz> same for qt
[07:43] <shogo> i think kde+qt are all gpl under linux
[07:44] <buz> qt4 is gonna be gpl on linux,mac, win
[07:44] <buz> qt3 is gpl on linux,mac
[07:44] <isai> Anyways, I remember using GNOME 0.9 and 1.1, it was nice then.
[07:44] <isai> you could config whatever your wanted. It was especially nice with sawfish.
[07:45] <shogo> an gtk IS LGPL
[07:45] <isai> then 2.0 came out (it took forever to come out). It was a complete dog and thats why I switched to KDE.
[07:45] <shogo> so...
[07:45] <buz> besides, who wants a stinky foot on his desktop?
[07:45] <arcanistherogue> yeah
[07:45] <isai> Also the GNOME guys have been smoking something funky.
[07:45] <yoz> hey geeks.. I want to solve a little thingie in kde.. it popups thing slike "The KDE Window Manager. activate" or even "Konversation" when I use this client. Any clue what the option is to disable that?
[07:46] <isai> they took away a lot of config stuff and came up with that horrible spatial nautilus.
[07:46] <isai> it sucks.
[07:46] <isai> I don't even think the gnome guys use it themselves.
[07:47] <arcanistherogue> i used nautilus <_<
[07:47] <buz> nautilus is still better than that god awful osxfinder
[07:47] <arcanistherogue> but then again ive only been using linux for about 2 months
[07:47] <buz> i honestly dont think the people who wrote osx finder used it for more than 5minutes
[07:47] <yoz> isai: don't wanna bother or something though can you guys take a look at my issue?
[07:47] <buz> yoz: what exactly do the windows say
[07:47] <arcanistherogue> is it that white box?
[07:47] <arcanistherogue> that you get when you hover
[07:47] <arcanistherogue> or is it the faded blue one in the top left
[07:48] <isai> have you guys tried viewing CVS dirs. or SVN dirs with nautilus. the windows pop up everywhere.
[07:48] <arcanistherogue> like you get when amaroK changes tracks
[07:48] <yoz> buz: it just inform about the aplication.. right now I get one like "Konversation (my client) and the nickname with the phrase this user wrote"
[07:48] <isai> yoz: what program?
[07:48] <buz> actually i like that ;)
[07:48] <buz> usually you can deactivate it in the menu of the app
[07:48] <arcanistherogue> where is it?
[07:48] <isai> yoz: sorry, can't helped you with that. Im using xchat.
[07:48] <buz> sometimes in the config, sometimes its called notifications where you can set all sorts of stuff
[07:49] <buz> with konversation it lives in settings -configure notifications
[07:49] <yoz> isai: it's generally.. when I minimize windows in kde I get for example "The KDE Window Manager"
[07:49] <arcanistherogue> hey, which is better, kopete or gaim?
[07:49] <buz> kopete of course
[07:49] <yoz> it's not irc client related.
[07:49] <yoz> buz: get my point?
[07:49] <arcanistherogue> oh ok
[07:49] <buz> not really
[07:49] <isai> yoz: is it the tip of the day dialog box?
[07:50] <buz> generally, you can configure on per app level what dialogs it will show
[07:50] <yoz> isai: when I minimize a windows for example.. it just pops up the following "The KDE Window Manager" and under it "activate" 
[07:50] <yoz> s/windows/window
[07:51] <yoz> weird.
[07:51] <arcanistherogue> man, kde is bueatiful
[07:51] <buz> arcanistherogue: what theme do you use
[07:51] <arcanistherogue> plastik
[07:51] <buz> me too
[07:51] <isai> yoz: is kwin running?
[07:51] <arcanistherogue> with a matching firefox theme
[07:52] <buz> many hate it but i like it
[07:52] <arcanistherogue> i love it!
[07:52] <arcanistherogue> its the best
[07:52] <buz> it's not quite as overdone was baghira
[07:52] <buz> as
[07:52] <arcanistherogue> i didnt see that one
[07:52] <arcanistherogue> i only saw a couple
[07:52] <arcanistherogue> like this old school one
[07:52] <buz> looks like osx 
[07:52] <arcanistherogue> hmmm
[07:52] <arcanistherogue> lemme check that out
[07:52] <buz> but metal osx is butt ugly if you ask me
[07:53] <buz> pin stripes is ok, but that metal stuff, wtf where they thinking
[07:53] <buz> were,even
[07:53] <isai> the metal stuff is for flash.
[07:54] <arcanistherogue> ;_; where do i change theme again... ive been using kde for about 1 hour, i forgot...
[07:54] <isai> at work my managers love 'flash'. even if its not usable.
[07:54] <buz> kcontrol
[07:54] <yoz> isai: I killed it and it was a bad idea.
[07:54] <arcanistherogue> how do i get to kcontrol?
[07:54] <buz> i usually run away from customers that want flash
[07:54] <buz> run it :)
[07:54] <isai> yoz: i didn't tell you to kill it.
[07:54] <buz> its also in the kmenu as control center
[07:55] <yoz> isai: I know.. 8)
[07:55] <isai> arcan: its in the K menu called 'control center'
[07:55] <isai> yoz: do you still get the pop up?
[07:56] <yoz> yeah
[07:56] <yoz> isai: kwin _is_ running
[07:56] <arcanistherogue> hmmm... in control center, it says my machine is i686... is that because i have a 64 bit processor?
[07:56] <arcanistherogue> </newbie question> <_<
[07:56] <yoz> isai: at least "ps aux" show that
[07:57] <isai> arcan: no, i686 is just x86 version extensions.
[07:57] <arcanistherogue> oh.
[07:57] <arcanistherogue> thanks alot
[07:57] <Soneras> btw. did you guys see the Clearlooks-DeepSky theme for GTK2? I haven'T ever really thought about this 8don't use many gtk apps - I'm a good KDE citizen =)), but wouldn't this be a good 'defaault' for those-apps-theres-no-qt-equivalent?
[07:57] <penguinboy> O_o
[07:57] <arcanistherogue> aw man, apparently I don't have baghira
[07:58] <arcanistherogue> wtf is up with this? when im playign this one mp3 the sound stops 10 seconds in
[07:58] <arcanistherogue> only on that one though
[07:58] <isai> yoz: im sorry i really don't know that your problem is. You could probably get better help in #kde.
[07:58] <buz> Soneras: i just use gtk-qt to take care of that
[07:58] <yoz> isai: thanks alot for you help anyway!
[08:00] <Soneras> buz:: did so myself before, but there are always some elements that don't quite feel right (like tabs beeing too small for text aand such)
[08:00] <Soneras> somehow I got hooked on this clearlooks style... strange
[08:02] <isai> where I can I find new KDE styles?
[08:02] <othernoob> kde-look.org ?
[08:02] <penguinboy> yes
[08:03] <penguinboy> good place
[08:03] <McScruff> does anyone know an app that controls cpu fan?
[08:03] <isai> any recommednations on good styles?
[08:04] <Soneras> depends on your taste
[08:04] <Soneras> I'd recommend qtcurve - a very simple and elegant one
[08:04] <arcanistherogue> hey how do i move my applications to different desktops?
[08:05] <othernoob> right click->to desktop ? 
[08:05] <penguinboy> si
[08:06] <isai> kubuntu comes with additional style packages called kdeartwork-style. its a good starting point for more styles.
[08:09] <qbit> McScruff: lm_sensors has a fancontrol which can be configured with a pwmconfig script, but it is somewhat arcane and doesn't access the complete range on my system
[08:09] <qbit> McScruff: and whether it will even work, or not, depends upon your hardware
[08:18] <slow-motion> hello
[08:18] <slow-motion> i have a small problem with tor under kubuntu. can someone help me with it?
[08:19] <slow-motion> Jul 04 20:18:24.394 [notice]  tor_init(): Tor v0.0.9.2. This is experimental software. Do not rely on it for strong anonymity.
[08:19] <slow-motion> Jul 04 20:18:24.395 [warn]  /var/lib/tor is not owned by this UID (1000). You must fix this to proceed.
[08:19] <slow-motion> Jul 04 20:18:24.395 [err]  options_act(): Couldn't access/create private data directory /var/lib/tor
[08:19] <slow-motion> Jul 04 20:18:24.395 [err]  init_from_config(): Acting on config options left us in a broken state. Dying.
[08:20] <isai> slow-motion: be careful not to flood.
[08:20] <slow-motion> do i have to change the user-id to 1000 or what user-id does tor need?
[08:23] <slow-motion> or do i need to change it to my user-id?
[08:34] <QueerAsFolk> hey crimsun
[08:35] <`crimsun> hi
[08:45] <Mez> Riddell, you around?
[08:47] <QueerAsFolk> hey Mez
[08:48] <Riddell> Mez: hi
[08:49] <godsmoke> slow-motion_: where did you get that error?
[08:49] <slow-motion_> when i tried to start tor
[08:49] <godsmoke> ... did you start it as root?
[08:49] <Mez> what are the KDE updates that have been pushed through? I've only jsdut got my computer back on the net after 4 days
[08:50] <godsmoke> Mez: just look at the apt repositories ...
[08:50] <slow-motion_> i started it as a normal user
[08:50] <godsmoke> like everyone else
[08:50] <godsmoke> slow-motion_: well -- obviously it's complaining -- so start it as root
[08:50] <Mez> yeah, I'm WONDERING IF THEY CAME FORM BACKPORTS OR SOMETHING
[08:50] <Mez> damn caps
[08:51] <slow-motion_> i think i need to change the uid to my uid. but i forgot where i can find it and the command to change it.
[08:51] <godsmoke> no ...
[08:52] <Soneras> I'm not sure atm, but shouldn't tor be running as a deamon, and thus as root?
[08:52] <godsmoke> uid 1000 is the standard first user-created non-root account
[08:52] <slow-motion_> godsmoke i think it is a bad idea to start it as root.
[08:52] <godsmoke> slow-motion_: I don't know where you got that idea
[08:52] <godsmoke> /var/lib/* is not going to be owned by your user
[08:52] <godsmoke> this is a dumb discussion
[08:53] <godsmoke> sudo the process
[08:53] <godsmoke> end of story
[08:53] <godsmoke> I'm sure it's right in the manual for tor as well
[08:53] <godsmoke> and you just didn't bother to read it
[08:53] <slow-motion_> but is it not to dangerous for the system, when it runs as root?
[08:53] <godsmoke> you're not making any sense
[08:54] <godsmoke> everything is dangerous
[08:55] <slow-motion_> i just want to start is with my user
[08:55] <slow-motion_> not as root.
[08:55] <godsmoke> it obviously needs root access -- most likely for the ports it's using
[08:55] <godsmoke> sigh
[08:55] <slow-motion_> sudo tor
[08:55] <slow-motion_> Jul 04 20:55:37.313 [notice]  tor_init(): Tor v0.0.9.2. This is experimental software. Do not rely on it for strong anonymity.
[08:55] <slow-motion_> Jul 04 20:55:37.315 [warn]  /var/lib/tor is not owned by this UID (0). You must fix this to proceed.
[08:55] <slow-motion_> Jul 04 20:55:37.315 [err]  options_act(): Couldn't access/create private data directory /var/lib/tor
[08:55] <slow-motion_> Jul 04 20:55:37.316 [err]  init_from_config(): Acting on config options left us in a broken state. Dying.
[08:56] <slow-motion_>  for you godsmoke 
[08:56] <godsmoke> well, check who it IS owned by ...
[08:56] <godsmoke> god -- why are you even asking here?
[08:56] <godsmoke> this has nothing to do with kubuntu
[08:56] <QueerAsFolk> godsmoke don't you think you are being a little rude
[08:57] <monchy> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[08:57] <godsmoke> no -- I think he needs to do something on his own
[08:57] <QueerAsFolk> oh
[08:57] <QueerAsFolk> this is one of those rtfm things
[08:57] <godsmoke> it's completely unrelated to kubuntu
[08:57] <godsmoke> it shouldn't even be a matter for this room
[08:59] <slow-motion_> so godsmoke then i'm shure you can tell me where i have to ask?
[08:59] <HiFi_dk> hi.. could someone tell what version of kppp is in Kubuntu ? trying to fill a bug report, but not on the kubuntu system right now
[09:00] <QueerAsFolk> "A person with ubuntu is open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good, for he or she has a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that he or she belongs in a greater whole."
[09:00] <godsmoke> yes -- you should A. read the tor manual, and not rely on apt setting up the application, so you think you don't have to configure anything, or do anything for yourself, B) you should go to the tor irc channel
[09:00] <godsmoke> "Drop by the #tor IRC channel at irc.oftc.net"
[09:01] <QueerAsFolk> that is nice godsmoke 
[09:01] <QueerAsFolk> very nice
[09:02] <QueerAsFolk> kppp version is 2.3.1
[09:03] <godsmoke> HiFi_dk: for future reference: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[09:03] <HiFi_dk> godsmoke: ok, was trying to find that
[09:03] <QueerAsFolk> HiFi_dk: did you see that the current version of kpppp is 2.3.1
[09:03] <HiFi_dk> thx
[09:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know how to make mplayer 's video bigger
[09:05] <godsmoke> you mean, make the window bigger?
[09:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea the video is really small
[09:05] <godsmoke> you just drag the window corner
[09:05] <godsmoke> like with any other window
[09:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea but the image dosen't get bigger
[09:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it stays the same size
[09:05] <godsmoke> that's because you didn't turn on -zoom
[09:05] <QueerAsFolk> i do not think it will
[09:05] <McScruff> does anyone know an app to control cpu fan?
[09:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh
[09:06] <godsmoke> you need to turn on software-based video zoom to do that
[09:06] <godsmoke> McScruff: hrm ... that should all be handled by your power management system (apm, acpi, so forth)
[09:06] <McScruff> need to find it
[09:07] <godsmoke> good -- then find it -- there are a number of systems with proprietary devices
[09:07] <godsmoke> do some googling on your laptop
[09:07] <McScruff> on my pc..
[09:07] <godsmoke> your pc?
[09:07] <McScruff> yes
[09:07] <godsmoke> since when do motherboards allow fan control via software?
[09:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i can't seem to find zoom in the prefrences
[09:07] <godsmoke> Chameleon22: preferences?
[09:07] <godsmoke> mplayer -zoom
[09:07] <godsmoke> simple as that
[09:08] <godsmoke> not Chameleon22, ChurcH_of_FoamY*
[09:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is that a command?
[09:08] <godsmoke> yes ... it's how you start mplayer
[09:08] <godsmoke> that's what you asked about -- mplayer
[09:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[09:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> could not run the specified command
[09:09] <godsmoke> then you don't have mplayer installed correctly
[09:09] <QueerAsFolk> hey hey hey kalenedrael 
[09:09] <Poromies> godsmoke: um my motherboard allows me to adjust fanspeeds via software, have done so since '03
[09:09] <godsmoke> how else would you start mplayer?
[09:09] <Poromies> :)
[09:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> never mind i typed it wrong >.<
[09:09] <godsmoke> ok -- well, news to me -- I never use that stuff
[09:09] <QueerAsFolk> how can i probe my vid card to see what kind it is?
[09:09] <godsmoke> lspci
[09:09] <QueerAsFolk> danke
[09:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nope diden't work
[09:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it dosen't start it or nothing
[09:10] <godsmoke> ...
[09:10] <godsmoke> what are you doing?
[09:10] <godsmoke> you're giving me very little information
[09:10] <QueerAsFolk> just sitting here
[09:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mplayer -zoom
[09:10] <QueerAsFolk> LOL
[09:10] <godsmoke> ...
[09:10] <godsmoke> that was the zoom command
[09:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm trying to open it through the console
[09:10] <godsmoke> that doesn't make it play video
[09:11] <godsmoke> you have to tell it WHAT video you want it to play
[09:11] <godsmoke> haven't you ever used mplayer?
[09:11] <QueerAsFolk> LOL
[09:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> not like that no
[09:11] <godsmoke> mplayer -zoom porn.avi
[09:11] <godsmoke> that's the only way to use mplayer
[09:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[09:11] <godsmoke> anything else is NOT mplayer
[09:11] <godsmoke> it's a front end to it
[09:11] <godsmoke> which is a totally different application
[09:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[09:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i diden't know
[09:12] <godsmoke> #mplayer
[09:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k
[09:12] <godsmoke> 103 people there, ready to regurgitate information directly from the manual, just for you
[09:13] <QueerAsFolk> LOL
[09:13] <QueerAsFolk> LOL
[09:13] <QueerAsFolk> LOL
[09:13] <QueerAsFolk> LOL
[09:13] <QueerAsFolk> LOL
[09:13] <QueerAsFolk> now now godsmoke 
[09:13] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[09:13] <malte> lol
[09:13] <shogo> damn loler
[09:13] <malte> :D
[09:14] <QueerAsFolk> "A person with ubuntu is open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good, for he or she has a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that he or she belongs in a greater whole."
[09:14] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[09:15] <godsmoke> QueerAsFolk: good thing that isn't law
[09:16] <godsmoke> or our world would be in trouble
[09:21] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[09:23] <malte> lol
[09:44] <QueerAsFolk> anyone here?
[09:45] <QueerAsFolk> welcome Shuddertrix 
[09:47] <Riddell> QueerAsFolk: there are people here, ask if you have questions
[09:47] <QueerAsFolk> no question...just wanted to see if anyone was awake
[09:47] <QueerAsFolk> wasap wasap
[09:47] <wasap> i googled this and i still cant find an answer. how do i get my recycle bin to go on my desktop in kde 3.4  i dont like it on the bar
[10:05] <tsunammis> Bonjour tous le monde
[10:06] <QueerAsFolk> Bonjour mes ami
[10:06] <seth_k> salut
[10:07] <tsunammis> euh je suis tout nouveau sur Kubuntu
[10:07] <tsunammis> il est vraiment sympa, mais bon quand j'essai de me connecter a msn messenger il me dit mot de passe invalide
[10:07] <tsunammis> alors que c'est le bon
[10:07] <tsunammis> lol
[10:08] <shogo> tsunammis: c'est un chan anglophone ici
[10:08] <shogo> tu peux essayer sur #ubuntu-fr
[10:08] <QueerAsFolk> Accueillir  Kubuntu. 
[10:09] <shogo> tsunammis: avec quel soft tu te connectes a msn ?
[10:09] <tsunammis> je suis dessus en ce moment
[10:09] <tsunammis> shogo avec Kopete je croi
[10:09] <shogo> ah oui alors ils pourront pas grand chose sur #ubuntu-fr :/
[10:09] <shogo> tu peux parler anglais ? tu auras plus de rponses
[10:10] <tsunammis> ou  moin que je trouve un autre log que Kopete :s
[10:10] <shogo> tsunammis: quelle version de kopete ?
[10:10] <QueerAsFolk> essayer d'aller  #kopete pour rpond  mon ami
[10:10] <tsunammis> shogo Je ne sais pas du tout
[10:11] <shogo> tsunammis: Aide / A propos de Kopete
[10:11] <tsunammis> QueerAsFolk Thanks you
[10:11] <Mez> Please note this is an ENGLISH channel
[10:11] <tsunammis> shogo je vais voir ca
[10:11] <Mez> #ubunutu-fr
[10:11] <Mez> #ubuntu-fr 
[10:12] <shogo> Mez: please note you can be polite on irc
[10:12] <QueerAsFolk> Vous etes la plupart d'accueil.  Je susi content pour aider!
[10:13] <tsunammis> shogo v0.10
[10:13] <Mez> shogo, I'm being polite :D 
[10:13] <shogo> QueerAsFolk: your french is not so bad :)
[10:13] <QueerAsFolk> merci
[10:13] <tsunammis> QueerAsFolk Yes, your french is good ;-) but my english is very bad :D
[10:14] <QueerAsFolk> merci mes ami
[10:14] <tsunammis> no problem
[10:14] <QueerAsFolk> Mex when did they give you an op badge???
[10:15] <QueerAsFolk> Mez
[10:15] <seth_k> tsunammis, si il n'y a personne a #ubuntu-fr, on peut essayer de vous aider ici. Je me souviens que Kopete a quelques problems quand on l'utilise avec Hoary
[10:15] <QueerAsFolk> i do that all the time typing Mex for Mez
[10:15] <Mez> quite a while back QueerAsFolk 
[10:15] <QueerAsFolk> i have never seen you wear it
[10:15] <Mez> I dont wear it normally ;) I was just checking something
[10:16] <QueerAsFolk> the Mez can turn into the Mezzinator!
[10:16] <shogo> maybe an upgrade of kopete will fix the bug, anyone have experimented the bad login bug with kopete 0.10 ?
[10:16] <seth_k> indeed
[10:16] <seth_k> methinks the latest breezy version fixes it
[10:16] <seth_k> i had to switch to gaim
[10:17] <Mez> remember seth - I am the taskmaster here... not you
[10:17] <QueerAsFolk> be careful seth
[10:17] <shogo> so many problems with msn, why dont people just use jabber ? :/
[10:17] <seth_k> you know it
[10:17] <buz> or icq at least
[10:17] <tsunammis> seth_k d'accord merci bien, je ne comprend pas comment installer des logiciels c'est pour cela, sinon avec Kopete je n'arrive toujours pas a me connecter
[10:18] <Mez> QueerAsFolk, seth and I work together outside of Ubuntu stuff - see http://www.invisionfree.com/ for more details :D
[10:18] <seth_k> tsunammis, vous pouvez essayer d'utiliser GAIM?
[10:18] <tsunammis> il faudrait que je puisse installer un autre logiciel comme par exemple gAIM
[10:18] <QueerAsFolk> Mez tyou know this is Penguinboy right?
[10:18] <seth_k> ouais
[10:18] <shogo> tsunammis: sudo apt-get install gaim
[10:19] <seth_k> Mez, what's the latest version of Kopete in backports?
[10:19] <QueerAsFolk> so you provide forums?
[10:19] <monchy> invisionfree was a good service
[10:19] <seth_k> yeah
[10:19] <QueerAsFolk> was not is?
[10:19] <Mez> QueerAsFolk, sorry ... whats the problem with penguinboy?
[10:19] <seth_k> still is :P
[10:19] <tsunammis> je vien de faire sudo apt-get install gaim, mais rien ne sais passs :s
[10:19] <monchy> well i haven't used it in a while, but it was good when i used it lol
[10:20] <QueerAsFolk> i c
[10:20] <shogo> tsunammis: parles en sur #ubuntu-fr gaim ils connaissent
[10:20] <QueerAsFolk> monch: did you know the Mezzinator and seth the stick eating boy ran it?
[10:20] <Mez> seth it's not in backports
[10:20] <monchy> no
[10:20] <seth_k> mmkay
[10:20] <monchy> not til now lol
[10:21] <Mez> mez@apathy:/backports/tree/dists/hoary-backports-staging/universe/binary-i386$ apt-cache show kopete | grep Version
[10:21] <Mez> Version: 4:3.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary2
[10:21] <Mez> Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu2.1
[10:21] <Mez> Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu2
[10:21] <seth_k> we don't run it, a guy that Mez worked with back in the day does
[10:21] <Mez> lol
[10:21] <Mez> ;)
[10:21] <tsunammis> shogo merci en faite maintenant j'arrive  l'installer, par contre je suis en train de constater que le ctrl + C (copier/coller) ne marche pas lol fort embetant
[10:22] <seth_k> haha
[10:22] <Mez> we work together on it though
[10:22] <seth_k> quel horreur
[10:22] <QueerAsFolk> kewl
[10:22] <seth_k> et vous utilisez Hoary Kubuntu?
[10:22] <QueerAsFolk> is seth the stick eating boy nice to work with?
[10:22] <tsunammis> oui
[10:22] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[10:23] <seth_k> (oy, je parle trop d'espanol... j'oublie mon francais)
[10:23] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[10:23] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[10:23] <shogo> seth_k: your french is very good
[10:23] <Mez> kopete 0.10.2 = latest hoary version
[10:23] <seth_k> thankums shogo
[10:23] <QueerAsFolk> adieu mon ami
[10:26] <penguinboy> bonjour
[10:26] <seth_k> tsunammis, Kopete ne marche pas pour moi, meme en Breezy. Donc je crois qu'il faut trouver un autre logiciel. Si ctrl + C ne marche pas en Gaim... aMSN, peut-etre?
[10:29] <seth_k> (eh, il faut que vous ayez Klipper pour utiliser CTRL + C, vous savez?)
[10:29] <tsunammis> voila je vien de reussir d'installer Gaim
[10:29] <seth_k> yay
[10:29] <penguinboy> wonderful!@
[10:29] <tsunammis> non je ne sais pas
[10:29] <tsunammis> on peut ce tutoyer non ?
[10:29] <seth_k> tutoyer, ca veut dire... ?
[10:30] <unome> tu aulieu de vous
[10:30] <Mez> my head hurts
[10:30] <seth_k> go over to #ubuntu-fr, Mez, I'll bet they speak English there :D
[10:31] <penguinboy> LOL
[10:31] <penguinboy> LOL
[10:31] <penguinboy> LOL
[10:31] <penguinboy> LOL
[10:33] <seth_k> wrong channel, kid
[10:33] <seth_k> Tux lives in #invisionfree
[10:34] <seth_k> you're so violent to me
[10:34] <monchy> he's just showing his affection for you :P
[10:34] <seth_k> i'm... hesitant
[10:34] <Mez> TuxWars!
[10:34] <penguinboy> lol
[10:34] <penguinboy> lol
[10:35] <Mez> Seth, you're evil - remember - you have a RED duck :D
[10:35] <uniq> hi.
[10:35] <seth_k> mm, taskmaster duck
[10:35] <monchy> i'm waiting for one of you to make a typo when you say duck
[10:35] <penguinboy> lol
[10:35] <penguinboy> lol
[10:35] <penguinboy> lol
[10:36] <uniq> penguinboy: why 3 times? once should be enought.
[10:36] <penguinboy> i am not sure
[10:36] <penguinboy> i laugh a lot
[10:37] <seth_k> save screen space, use commas
[10:37] <penguinboy> i feel that laughing is good for the soul
[10:37] <seth_k> or 12-year-old-AOLer version: lololololol
[10:37] <uniq> then 'lol, lol, lol' would do it. 3 lines is much more noisy.
[10:37] <penguinboy> i c
[10:37] <penguinboy> i will consider it in the future
[10:37] <penguinboy> not making any promises thoughj
[10:38] <seth_k> hahahaha, did you just say that to the man with the op badge?
[10:38] <seth_k> burn him!
[10:38] <penguinboy> for what....I am entitled to my opinion...else tyranny reighns
[10:38] <nikkia> no, better still, set fire to him, then throw rocks at him!
 save screen space, use commas <-- sounds like a government slogan
[10:38] <seth_k> or if he weighs the same as a duck...
[10:38] <Mez> "Practice Safe sex, use a Virus Scanner"
[10:38] <penguinboy> build a bridge out of him
[10:38] <buz> he said je**** aw fuck
[10:38] <seth_k> yay!
[10:39] <Mez> buz, mind your language please
[10:39] <seth_k> gj penguinboy
[10:39] <seth_k> $penguinboy['cookies'] ++;
[10:39] <penguinboy> i know mon ami
[10:40] <penguinboy> i love Monty puthon
[10:40] <seth_k> so why should we cut Mez's heart out with a spoon?
[10:40] <penguinboy> lol
[10:40] <penguinboy> or
[10:40] <penguinboy> lol, lol, lol
[10:40] <uniq> back on topic please.
[10:40] <Mez> uniq: since when has there been a topic? :P
[10:41] <penguinboy> lol
[10:41] <nikkia> yeah, there may be people wanting to ask where their root password is, so shhhhh
[10:41] <seth_k> kinda what I was thinking... nobody has any questions right now
[10:41] <seth_k> but mmkay
[10:41] <Mez> nikkia - #ubuntu
[10:41] <Mez> :P
[10:41] <uniq> mez: well. since this is #kubuntu we don't talk about cutting peoples hearts out.
[10:41] <penguinboy> uniq this is basically what goes on here all day long,.....
[10:41] <monchy> we just sit here and idle instead
[10:41] <monchy> woohoo
[10:41] <kalenedrael> unless someone actually has a quesion
[10:41] <kalenedrael> question
[10:42] <uniq> penguinboy: that doesn't mean that is what's wanted.
[10:42] <penguinboy> and when someone has a question....we are very helpful
[10:42] <monchy> 10 secons later topic is changed back
[10:42] <Mez> uniq - fair comment :D
[10:42] <Mez> monchy - I just corrected the typos :D
[10:42] <monchy> oh i know, i'm just going along with the theme that nothing can change in here ;)
[10:42] <shogo> who celebrate the independance day here ?
[10:42] <penguinboy> uniq do you recommend we just sit here and stare until someone asks a question?
[10:43] <uniq> penguinboy: yes.
[10:43] <penguinboy> i c
[10:43] <Mez> technically, that shouldn't be there... It's racist
[10:43] <shogo> yep
[10:43] <penguinboy> uniq you are the head op here?
[10:43] <nikkia> mez, how is it racist?
[10:43] <uniq> penguinboy: no.
[10:43] <penguinboy> i c
[10:44] <nikkia> mez, a day celebrating a bloody war between one bunch of angry old englishmen, and another bunch of angry old englishmen, doesn't seem much to involve race, as i can see
[10:44] <Mez> nikkia: If celebrating St. Georges Day in England is considered racist, then so is celebrating Independence Day :D
[10:46] <penguinboy> Welcome bhna!
[10:46] <penguinboy> pull up a chair and sit a spell
[10:46] <Mez> you are our 1000th Customer!
[10:46] <penguinboy> YEAH!!!!!!
[10:46] <penguinboy> throw the confetti
[10:46] <Mez> you dont win anything
[10:46] <Mez> I just like ticker tape
[10:46] <penguinboy> just the tickertape
[10:46] <monchy> as todays special customer, you are going to be told exactly what to say and how to think
[10:47] <penguinboy> YEAH!
[10:47] <bhna> have a party?
[10:47] <penguinboy> Mez a word in pc if you please?
[10:48] <penguinboy> yoo hoo....Messinator?
[10:49] <Mez> pc?
[10:49] <bhna> sorry, what is tickertape?
[10:49] <penguinboy> si mon ami
[10:49] <monchy> private chat Mez
[10:49] <Mez> gonna say, my PCs too small for 2 people to fit in
[10:50] <monchy> lol
[10:51] <penguinboy> adios godsmoke
[10:51] <monchy> good riddance
[10:52] <penguinboy> LOL
[10:52] <penguinboy> adie mon ami....its dinner time
[10:52] <penguinboy> adieu
[10:57] <ultramancool> hi
[10:58] <liz4rd> hey
[11:00] <uniq> hi liz4rd.
[11:00] <liz4rd> hey man
[11:00] <liz4rd> no, i wont be stupid today :P i have a headach :(
[11:01] <uniq> good. not the headach but that you'll be a nice boy.
[11:01] <liz4rd> lol
[11:01] <liz4rd> you made me feel really small right there
[11:01] <liz4rd> :P
[11:01] <uniq> :)
[11:08] <ilba7r> any one know of a simple wyswyg webpage editor for a newbie
[11:08] <uniq> nvu
[11:09] <liz4rd> nvu
[11:09] <ilba7r> thanx
[11:10] <uniq> !learn WYSIWYG What You See Is What You Get
[11:10] <kinfo> Inprinted WYSIWYG (memory injection successful)
[11:11] <liz4rd> anyone els notice nvu is soooo mozilla composer :P
[11:11] <pv_> imprint
[11:12] <uniq> i've never used it.
[11:12] <liz4rd> open it up its exactly like nvu but composer was first
[11:15] <nikkia> liz4rd: doesn't surprise me
[11:15] <nikkia> lots of people miss composer
[11:18] <liz4rd> yeah :P
[11:19] <nikkia> liz4rd: also, i think this quote may go some way to explaining it:
[11:19] <nikkia> Nvu was started from the Mozilla Composer code base.  As you may have heard, the Mozilla Internet suite is in the process of being broken up into individual pieces (browser, email, etc.).  Nvu will pick up where Composer left off, adding additional features, functionality and ease of use.
[11:19] <nikkia> so really, its not in the least bit surprising that it looks like mozilla composer, really
[11:20] <liz4rd> mmm yeah
[11:46] <rodolfo> hi, is someone using wifi?
[11:46] <kalenedrael> yeah
[11:47] <kalenedrael> why?
[11:47] <kalenedrael> need help with something?
[11:47] <rodolfo> I have problems with the configuration
[11:47] <liz4rd> generaly :P
[11:47] <kalenedrael> :P
[11:47] <kalenedrael> ok, what problems, specifically?
[11:47] <kalenedrael> and what wifi card are you using?
[11:47] <rodolfo> configuring with kcontrol does not store the values
[11:48] <kalenedrael> for...?
[11:48] <rodolfo> I have centrino
[11:48] <kalenedrael> ok, and the drivers, work, right?
[11:48] <rodolfo> yes
[11:48] <rodolfo> I am connected now
[11:48] <kalenedrael> and you can't store what values?
[11:48] <rodolfo> with adsl router
[11:48] <rodolfo> not from the gui
[11:48] <kalenedrael> ok
[11:49] <kalenedrael> i just use iwconfig and dhclient (or set a static ip if i'm at home)
[11:49] <rodolfo> and dhcp does not work, the card doesn't get enabled
[11:49] <kalenedrael> hmm
[11:49] <rodolfo> static is ok
[11:49] <kalenedrael> is your router running a dhcp server?
[11:49] <rodolfo> yes
[11:50] <kalenedrael> ok, and what program are you using for dhcp on this end?
[11:50] <rodolfo> it works with win
[11:50] <rodolfo> Im not sure...
[11:50] <kalenedrael> try dhclient
[11:50] <kalenedrael> it comes with kubuntu
[11:51] <kalenedrael> or i think it did
[11:56] <Mez> Riddell, ping
[11:56] <Riddell> Mez: honk
[11:56] <Mez> Shall I build 0.12.2 for k3b ?
[11:56] <Mez> It's been released
[11:57] <Mez> http://k3b.plainblack.com/news2
[11:57] <_rodolfo> kalenedrael?
[11:57] <kalenedrael> yeah
[11:57] <kalenedrael> what?
[11:57] <_rodolfo> ok, dhclient worked
[11:57] <Mez> Riddell, ping
[11:57] <Mez> *checking if auto-reply
[11:57] <kalenedrael> cool
[11:58] <_rodolfo> it has overridden the static address
[11:58] <_rodolfo> could the problem depend on kde?
[11:58] <godsmoke> _rodolfo: what problem are you having?
[11:59] <_rodolfo> I try to set the network card with kcontrol
[11:59] <_rodolfo> the wifi card
[11:59] <kalenedrael> don't use a GUI config tool unless you have to...
[12:00] <_rodolfo> if I edit /etc/network/interfaces, then the network restarts, but the wifi does not work
[12:00] <_rodolfo> I have to reboot
[12:00] <godsmoke> well, you're going to have to be more specific than "does not work"
[12:00] <godsmoke> you NEVER have to reboot
[12:00] <godsmoke> the only reason to reboot a linux machine is to install a new kernel
[12:00] <_rodolfo> it does not get the signal
[12:01] <_rodolfo> that sounds good...
[12:01] <godsmoke> ok -- explain this slowly, one step at a time ... because "does not get the signal" doesn't mean very much -- and I can't help you
[12:02] <_rodolfo> let's say the wifi card is up and connected...
[12:02] <_rodolfo> with a static ip
[12:02] <godsmoke> connected, as in, authenticated with the wireless access point?
[12:02] <_rodolfo> yes