[12:12] <lamont> libgcrypt7 build-depends: libgcrypt-dev (>= 1.1.12-5), but libgcrypt-dev is a virtual package... --> ftbfs
[12:12] <lamont> hrm... or maybe there's a newer libgcrypt-dev and it's just not built yet... nm
[06:58] <HostingGeek> Sorry
[06:59] <HostingGeek> that was someone else abusing my open session
[08:55] <DanielN_atw> hmm
[08:57] <\sh> hmm?
[08:57] <crimsun> hmm!
[08:58] <\sh> right
[09:47] <DanielN_atw> hmm
[09:47] <\sh> hmm?
[09:47] <DanielN_atw> is there an uml patch for kernel 2.4?
[09:47] <mort> DanielN_atw: howdy
[09:47] <crimsun> yes, DanielN_atw
[09:47] <mort> you allright?
[09:47] <DanielN_atw> howdy mort
[09:48] <DanielN_atw> mort, yep i am :)
[09:48] <DanielN_atw> crimsun, in debian sarge?
[09:48] <DanielN_atw> hrmpf
[09:48] <DanielN_atw> nothing found
[09:48] <mort>          (__)
[09:48] <mort>          (oo)
[09:48] <mort>    /------\/
[09:48] <mort>   / |    ||
[09:48] <mort>  *  /\---/\
[09:48] <mort>     ~~   ~~
[09:48] <mort> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[09:48] <mort> (little motivation in the morning)
[09:49] <DanielN_atw> mort, not yet.. but there are too meetings today, so.. i will moo ;>
[09:49] <DanielN_atw> two
[09:50] <mort> DanielN_atw: meetings? with laptops?
[09:50] <mort> without it's just plain boring
[09:50] <\sh> DanielN_atw, two meetings?
[09:50] <DanielN_atw> mort, without :)
[09:50] <mort> DanielN_atw is a busy businessman guy
[09:50] <DanielN_atw> ^^
[09:51] <crimsun> DanielN_atw, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-patch-uml/ ?
[09:51] <DanielN_atw> crimsun, hrmpf....
[09:51] <DanielN_atw> but thanks ;>
[09:51] <crimsun> doesn't appear to be in "stable" according to packages.d.o, though
[10:01] <DanielN_atw> damn
[10:01] <DanielN_atw> no patch for 2.4.27
[10:01] <DanielN_atw> only 2.4.26 and there are no sources :/
[10:04] <mort> DanielN_atw: kernel.org
[10:05] <mort> DanielN_atw: why not a fresh tasty 2.6 burger?
[10:06] <jsgotangco> its probably full of cholesterol *grin*
[10:39] <ivoks> i don't know for you, but i have non working X in breezy :)
[10:39] <mort> who needs X anyway?
[10:40] <jsgotangco> right just do everything in emacs *grin*
[10:40] <Amaranth> I know someone like that
[10:40] <Amaranth> he does run X, but only because he uses firefox from time to time
[10:41] <Amaranth> otherwise it's just ratpoison (screen for X minus detaching) and emacs
[10:41] <jsgotangco> i use ion
[10:46] <ivoks> X is good
[10:47] <ivoks> it enables you to have more terminals and it's much nicer then screen
[10:47] <ivoks> :)
[10:52] <ivoks> time to go...
[11:13] <Amaranth> \sh: Having fun? :)
[11:19] <\sh> Amaranth, yes..gnome is not working as expected
[11:20] <\sh> and I wonder why kontact works faster running gnome then directly in kde
[11:20] <\sh> strange behaviour
[11:21] <Amaranth> oh, it does that when it loses it's controlling terminal?
[11:22] <Amaranth> GNOME has less baggage? :)
[11:23] <\sh> haha...
[11:23] <Amaranth> those KDE guys are drawing me in though
[11:23] <\sh> normally it loads the full bloat of kde
[11:23] <Amaranth> they lured me in with hot chicks who can code and kick my ass
[11:23] <Amaranth> i can't say no, she might hurt me
[11:24] <\sh> Amaranth, which chick can code and kick ass?
[11:26] <Amaranth> canllaith?
[11:26] <\sh> ah u mean this aussie girl
[11:26] <\sh> I thought she didn't code, she is more the webmistress or something
[11:27] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[11:27] <sivang> Amaranth: aussie girls? where? :-)
[11:27] <Amaranth> sivang: #kde-devel
[11:27] <Amaranth> :)
[11:27] <sivang> Amaranth: :-)
[11:28] <Amaranth> ugh
[11:28] <Amaranth> i have to clean this mouse out every other day
[11:29] <Amaranth> i wish i had my mouse :/
[11:30] <\sh> sivang, http://www.kdedevelopers.org/user/view/808
[11:30] <mitsuhiko> Amaranth: not good: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/view/900
[11:30] <mitsuhiko> ^^
[11:31] <\sh> but this new girl on da debian planet looks nice
[11:31] <\sh> actually too young for me,
[11:31] <mitsuhiko> \sh Christine Spang?
[11:31] <\sh> yep...thought she was german...
[11:32] <mitsuhiko> ivoks: moin
[11:33] <\sh> *rotfl*
[11:33] <\sh> our security chief comes right now into the noc, talking to my teamleader...
[11:34] <\sh> sounds like: "Hey, you security man, why do u write in german, use more abbreviations...nobody understand german at all, but everybody know the abbr."
[11:38] <ivoks> wow! new icons :)
[11:42] <Amaranth> for what?
[11:43] <ivoks> clearlook theme
[11:43] <ivoks> firefox finally has it's own icon
[11:43] <ivoks> :)
[11:44] <ivoks> imho, clearlooks shold be default
[11:45] <jsgotangco> but we're using human :(
[11:46] <Amaranth> err, 'clearlooks' doesn't have icons
[11:46] <ivoks> it does
[11:46] <Amaranth> you mean andy made some new icons?
[11:47] <Amaranth> clearlooks is an engine
[11:47] <Amaranth> the icons are/were etiquette
[11:47] <ivoks> well, i have clearlooks there
[11:47] <jsgotangco> its probably andy's etiquette stuff
[11:48] <mitsuhiko> ivoks: screenshot?
[11:48] <ivoks> doh..
[11:48] <ivoks> it's just few icons
[11:48] <mitsuhiko> i think its the etiquette theme
[11:49] <ivoks> nope
[11:49] <ivoks> but icons are very similar
[11:49] <Amaranth> then it's his new one
[12:08] <ivoks> lol
[12:08] <ivoks> After unpacking 2935MB disk space will be freed.
[12:14] <ivoks> http://www.koncar-inem.hr/racunala/racunala/niko.htm - this is laptop :)
[12:16] <ivoks> 2x DVD DL burner :)
[12:18] <Gervystar> 5.8kg...
[12:20] <ivoks> yep.. this is desktop replacment
[12:23] <jsgotangco> does anyone here have a live account with the hula-project.org?
[12:58] <mort> DanielN_atw: I'm sure you want a debian/rules tshirt
[12:58] <mort> DanielN_atw: I CCed you
[01:39] <DanielN_atw> mort, ping
[01:39] <mort> oi DanielN_atw
[01:40] <DanielN_atw> what kind of tshirt?
[01:41] <mort> DanielN_atw: debian tshirt, described in log
[01:41] <mort> with the debian swirl
[01:41] <DanielN_atw> debian/rules?
[01:41] <DanielN_atw> ahhh
[01:41] <DanielN_atw> now i understand :)
[01:42] <DanielN_atw> it's a joke.. that debian rules...
[01:42] <DanielN_atw> damn UML
[01:43] <DanielN_atw> my server's down.... no ssh connection anymore :/
[01:45] <comadreja> hello, motus
[01:46] <DanielN_atw> uehh comadreja :)
[01:46] <comadreja> I was here yesterday
[01:46] <comadreja> hello DanielN_atw :)
[01:46] <comadreja> I intent to help on ubuntu, would there be any way to get into the community ?
[01:52] <tseng> is ssh-askpass-gnome broken?
[01:52] <tseng> as it, there is no executable
[01:52] <tseng> no its in /usr/lib
[01:56] <DanielN_atw> comadreja, what sort of contribution?
[01:58] <DanielN_atw> i know, i asked this already.. but is someone working on PHP5 packages for breezy?
[01:58] <DanielN_atw> it's a must, if we want to be at fedoras state ;)
[01:59] <DanielN_atw> mort, what about the shirt now?
[02:02] <\sh> DanielN_atw, the debian guys? ,-)
[02:02] <comadreja> DanielN_atw coding, maintaining
[02:05] <DanielN_atw> \sh, in would prefer an ubuntu shirt too
[02:05] <DanielN_atw> ;)
[02:15] <comadreja> DanielN_atw : you think I could help with some coding ?
[02:22] <tseng> \sh: did you have to remind us of the jmaynard costume?
[02:25] <\sh> tseng, hehe ;)
[02:26] <tseng> \sh: probably a good reason not to use gentoo
[02:26] <\sh> tseng, bug mako...he reminds me of that ,-)
[02:27] <\sh> DanielN_atw, believe me, since I got my original redhat fedora everybody wanted to have this gimmick...so an ubuntu shirt is not what I want to have ;)
[02:34] <comadreja> how could I assign myself a bug ?
[02:50] <ivoks> hi all
[04:20] <ivoks> did anyone of you tried human theme for firefox?
[04:20] <ivoks> it's so good, it should be default in firefox
[04:25] <tseng> ivoks: is it based on the industrial theme?
[04:25] <tseng> by garrett
[04:26] <ivoks> basicly, it just adds icons
[04:26] <tseng> well try industrial
[04:27] <tseng> its the best
[04:27] <ivoks> industrial for firefox?
[04:27] <tseng> yes
[04:27] <ivoks> ok, found it
[04:28] <ivoks> hm, big N
[04:28] <tseng> yes
[04:29] <ivoks> they are very smiliar
[04:29] <ivoks> they have same icons, but this one has nicer icons for bookmarks
[04:31] <ivoks> nice
[07:38] <siretart> Riddell: you just made an upload to revu, did you?
[07:38] <siretart> hi folks!
[07:38] <tseng> hi siretart
[07:38] <ivoks> :))
[07:38] <Riddell> siretart: yes, was wondering what would happen
[07:38] <ivoks> siretart: you record every upload?
[07:38] <Riddell> siretart: I also just sent you an e-mail asking for an account
[07:38] <Riddell> at least I think I did, mutt was a bit weird with gpg
[07:39] <siretart> Riddell: you did everything all right, but I'm currently debugging some scripts here. the fault is on my side
[07:39] <siretart> Riddell: you don't need to reupload, I will fix it from here
[07:40] <siretart> ivoks: yes, the register_upload.py script is run by a cron job, and I get every run via email. For debugging reasons
[07:41] <siretart> btw, sistpoty improved the query for the index.py, the result can be seen here: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/index_new.py
[07:41] <ivoks> :)) ok
[07:41] <ivoks> check it out: http://master.grad.hr/~ivoks/breezy.jpg
[07:41] <siretart> after debugging my stuff here I will integrate this into index.py
[07:42] <siretart> ivoks: whoooo! that looks great! what graphics card and driver do you use for that?
[07:42] <ivoks> siretart: that's with nv driver :)
[07:42] <ivoks> not nvidia, but nv
[07:42] <ivoks> the Free one :)
[07:42] <siretart> ivoks: which card do you use?
[07:42] <ivoks> nvidia
[07:42] <siretart> which model
[07:43] <ivoks> it's irrelevant
[07:43] <ivoks> with nv driver you don't get 3D :)
[07:43] <siretart> hm. I don't assume my 6600gt works with nv
[07:43] <ivoks> does it work with nvidia?
[07:44] <siretart> sure. I'm currently using it in a twinview setup
[07:45] <ivoks> then you could make this work! :)
[07:45] <ivoks> but, it's buggy
[07:46] <siretart> hm
[07:46] <ivoks> crashes
[07:46] <siretart> I'd rather spend my time on revu ;)
[07:47] <ivoks> i agree :)
[07:47] <ivoks> see you soon
[07:47] <ivoks> bye
[07:47] <siretart> cu ivoks
[08:12] <\sh> ok..doing some motu work...
[08:14] <\sh> whois frode?
[08:16] <\sh> siretart: putting the irc nick next to the uploader would be nice ;)
[08:16] <siretart> \sh: uff. hm.
[08:17] <siretart> we would need a page where users could adjust their userdata for that.
[08:17] <siretart> putting on the todo list
[08:19] <Burgundavia> the idea that I mentioned to tseng was the following
[08:19] <Burgundavia> Name (ircnick)
[08:19] <Burgundavia> ala p.g.o
[08:20] <\sh> i would like to see it also on p.u.c
[08:21] <siretart> p.g.o?
[08:21] <\sh> planet.gentoo.org
[08:22] <siretart> ah. ok
[08:23] <Burgundavia> p.g.o planet.gnome
[08:23] <\sh> oh ;)
[08:23] <\sh> but it's the same on gentoo.org
[08:34] <siretart> Burgundavia: any comments on the current revu index.py? We (sistopty mostly) implemented your suggenstions with the icons
[08:34] <siretart> hi `crimsun
[08:36] <`crimsun> hi siretart
[08:38] <Burgundavia> just checking it out
[08:38] <Burgundavia> my idea was for just one icon
[08:39] <Burgundavia> for status
[08:39] <Burgundavia> because new automatically means needs work
[08:40] <siretart> no
[08:40] <Burgundavia> ok
[08:40] <Burgundavia> do I misunderstand the work flow?
[08:40] <siretart> NEW means that 3 motus need to sign-off the package, because its NEW in ubuntu
[08:40] <Burgundavia> ok
[08:41] <Burgundavia> there is New status and new vs updated packages
[08:41] <Burgundavia> which is confusing
[08:41] <siretart> not NEW packages mean "normal" package updates, and require only one motu agreeing
[08:41] <Burgundavia> in my terminology, that would be a updated package, that is New on Revu
[08:41] <Burgundavia> and thus would get the lightbulb icon and the updated icon
[08:41] <siretart> I tried to solve this by separating the sort order, first not NEW packages
[08:42] <Burgundavia> ok
[08:42] <siretart> Burgundavia: I use the word "NEW" for packages in the ubuntu NEW queue, and "new" for new in revu. You see the difference? ;)
[08:43] <Burgundavia> ugly
[08:43] <siretart> sweet! eclipse from multiverse with gcj in GTK2 look
[08:43] <Burgundavia> I don't see an elegant solution to this, not yet at least
[08:43] <Burgundavia> tseng and I talked about splitting the tables
[08:45] <Burgundavia> currently, I have no icon for packagetype=New but I have an icon for status=new
[08:45] <Burgundavia> I think you are using the same icon for both?
[08:45] <Lathiat> siretart: what package do i need to install to get that going?
[08:45] <siretart> no, i use the lamp icon for NEW package
[08:45] <siretart> Lathiat: for what going?
[08:45] <Lathiat> eclipse
[08:46] <siretart> Lathiat: I apt-get install'ed eclipse-jdt
[08:46] <Lathiat> cheers
[08:46] <Lathiat> 70M of packages, <3 java
[08:46] <siretart> jupp
[08:47] <siretart> but it's nice GTK! wooh! :)
[08:47] <siretart> and it's free. no need for that stinking sun jre anymore!
[08:48] <Riddell> siretart: do I have an account on revu?
[08:49] <Lathiat> wonder if i can get azureus runnign on free java stuff
[08:49] <Lathiat> it almost runs on ikvm except that doesnt ahve network operations implemented :)
[08:50] <siretart> Riddell: in a sec, mom
[08:50] <Burgundavia> siretart, another comment, from looking at the package page, it is not clear whether someone is merely commenting (and thus advocating No), or downchecking (and thus advoctating NO)
[08:51] <siretart> Riddell: try to login with jriddell@ubuntu.com, and press the "recover" password link
[08:51] <Burgundavia> do you want to keep the comments and advocates in one section, or split them out?
[08:51] <siretart> Riddell: btw, are you working for canonical?
[08:52] <Riddell> siretart: contracted
[08:52] <siretart> Burgundavia: do you really think we need to seperate "downchecking" and "merely commenting"?
[08:52] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:52] <Burgundavia> because it not clear what status the package is at
[08:52] <Burgundavia> and who can downcheck and who can't
[08:52] <Burgundavia> ie, if I make a comment, it has no weight
[08:53] <siretart> hm
[08:53] <Burgundavia> tseng and I mocked up a new package page
[08:53] <Burgundavia> showing the status and package type
[08:53] <siretart> atm, only reviewers can comment anyway. uploaders can comment only on their own packages
[08:53] <Burgundavia> my issue still stands
[08:54] <siretart> I see. hm
[08:54] <Burgundavia> my idea was to change the words to a checkmark and an X
[08:54] <Burgundavia> and nothing for a straight comment
[08:54] <Burgundavia> so the uploader can quickly see where they are at
[08:55] <siretart> this would require schema changes in the database... hmhmm
[08:55] <Burgundavia> did you see all the talk that tseng and I did about status icons?
[08:55] <siretart> I think it would be least painfull to implement this when moving to the new home
[08:55] <Burgundavia> the current system is going to scale very badly, due to excess time to figure out what is happening
[08:58] <herve> hello
[08:59] <Burgundavia> siretart, minor further note, the icons should have tooltips, showing the word for the status
[09:00] <siretart> Burgundavia: how do they work? alt tag?
[09:01] <Burgundavia> alt tag
[09:01] <herve> no, title tag
[09:01] <siretart> but the icons do have alt tag
[09:01] <Burgundavia> oh
[09:01] <siretart> ah
[09:01] <herve> alt is a text-only alternative
[09:02] <Burgundavia> tseng was working on completely redoing the front page
[09:02] <Burgundavia> don't know where he got with that
[09:03] <Burgundavia> siretart, you got something odd going on with ordering of uploads
[09:03] <Burgundavia> looks like it might be ordering by upload time
[09:03] <Burgundavia> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=52
[09:03] <Burgundavia> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=47
[09:04] <siretart> yeah, the ordering is quite tricky now, I am experimenting with a usefull one ;)
[09:04] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:05] <Burgundavia> relating to icons, my idea was to clearly define which needed to be commented on
[09:05] <Burgundavia> thus any package, either packagetype=new or updated, would get the status=new when first uploaded
[09:05] <siretart> first, there are uploads concerning non NEW uploads, because they should be handeld quickly. then NEW Packages, then done packages
[09:06] <Burgundavia> and any pacakge that was status=needswork and got a new upload would revert to status=new
[09:07] <Burgundavia> and any package that had a downcheck would change to status=needworks, regardless of any upchecks on it
[09:07] <siretart> I think I understand what you want to acheive, but that currently nontrivial to implement
[09:07] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:12] <tseng> Burgundavia: eh
[09:12] <ivoks> shouldn't objects in notification area be background free
[09:12] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:12] <tseng> Burgundavia: i sort of gave up on that for now
[09:13] <tseng> Burgundavia: im not motivated to duplicate the setup for development
[09:13] <Burgundavia> ah
[09:13] <Burgundavia> the world is not going to end if you don't love my ideas
[09:14] <Burgundavia> or implement them right away
[09:14] <tseng> :/
[09:14] <tseng> i thought most of them were fine
[09:14] <tseng> if i didnt, i beat you into liking my way
[09:15] <Burgundavia> anybody know if any gnome company is hiring in the usablity/UI area?
[09:15] <tseng> yeah
[09:15] <ivoks> heh, they should
[09:15] <tseng> mediweb or something
[09:15] <tseng> hang on
[09:15] <ivoks> Burgundavia: what are your ideas?
[09:15] <ivoks> sorry, i wasn't arround to listen to you
[09:16] <tseng> Burgundavia: read http://off.net/~tberman/diary/
[09:16] <Burgundavia> ivoks, ok, just throwing ideas around to make it easy to review stuff
[09:16] <Burgundavia> tseng, I think I saw that one, but cheers
[09:35] <ivoks> siretart: hi, i will abuse your revu now :)
[09:35] <ivoks> wow! icons! :))
[09:35] <siretart> ivoks: :)
[09:36] <ivoks> ok, explain icons :)
[09:36] <ivoks> and resizing would be nice :)
[09:36] <siretart> just give me resized pictures ;)
[09:36] <Burgundavia> indeed
[09:36] <Burgundavia> there are more icons coming
[09:36] <ivoks> heart is for uploaded packages?
[09:36] <Burgundavia> I am doing some to show how many successful reviews a package has
[09:36] <Burgundavia> heart is for ready to upload
[09:37] <ivoks> ok, hammer is for not apporved yet
[09:37] <ivoks> and lamp?
[09:37] <ivoks> i adore my gnome desktop right now :)
[09:38] <Burgundavia> lamp is for packages not in Ubuntu
[09:38] <Burgundavia> supposed to be an up arrow
[09:38] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVUDevelopment
[09:38] <siretart> tooltipps implemented
[09:38] <Burgundavia> cool
[09:39] <ivoks> :)
[09:39] <ivoks> man, you have too much free time :)
[09:39] <ivoks> ok, i'll do some reviewing now
[09:39] <siretart> nah, unfortunatly not :(
[09:40] <ivoks> you know what would be good to have?
[09:40] <ivoks> easier download
[09:40] <ivoks> now we have to download file by file
[09:40] <ivoks> it would be great to have one bzip or gz to dowload
[09:40] <ivoks> or even tar
[09:40] <ivoks> no need for compress
[09:40] <siretart> hm
[09:41] <siretart> after the move, that should be no problem
[09:41] <ivoks> just with .dsc .diff.gz and .tar.gz
[09:41] <ivoks> great!
[09:46] <ivoks> ok, why wifi-radar isn't ready for upload?
[09:47] <ivoks> (it's not complaining, I'm interested in procedure)
[09:48] <sistpoty> ivoks: it's a new package and afaik new packages should have 3 motu's advocating
[09:48] <sistpoty> (at least this way the images are displayed)
[09:49] <ivoks> ok
[09:49] <ivoks> and for packages that aren't new, only one motu advocate is needed?
[09:50] <sistpoty> afaik yes
[09:50] <ivoks> ok, thanx
[09:50] <sistpoty> np
[11:01] <siretart> does anyone know if sh uploaded kio-locate? it has now 3 sign-offs and should be ok to go in..
[11:07] <ajmitch> morning
[11:09] <siretart> hi ajmitch